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Week In The News: Hobby Lobby Wins, Israeli Murders, An Iraqi Caliphate

ISIS declares a caliphate. The Supreme Court and Hobby Lobby. Three dead teens in Israel.  US World Cup heartbreak.

Family and friends of Eyal Yifrah, Gilad Shaar, and Naftali Fraenkel, three Israeli teenagers who were abducted over two weeks ago, mourn during their funeral in Modiin, Israel, Tuesday, July 1, 2014. (AP)

Family and friends of Eyal Yifrah, Gilad Shaar, and Naftali Fraenkel, three Israeli teenagers who were abducted over two weeks ago, mourn during their funeral in Modiin, Israel, Tuesday, July 1, 2014. (AP)

It’s a short week with a lot of news headed into the Fourth of July holiday.  We’re calling it early.  From the Caliphate front to Hobby Lobby to the World Cup.  In Iraq, an Islamic state declared and more US troops, but no “mission creep,” says the White House.  In the Supreme Court, a win for corporate religious freedom.  In Israel, dead teens – Israeli and Palestinian – and high tension.  In California, an anti-immigrant outburst in the streets.  In Brazil, Team USA goes down behind valiant goalie Tim Howard’s epic saves. This hour On Point: our weekly news roundtable sneaks in early behind the headlines.

–Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Margaret Talev, White House correspondent for Bloomberg News. (@margarettalev)

James Kitfield, contributing editor at National Journal and Defense One contributor. Senior fellow at the Center for the Study of the Presidency & Congress.  (@JamesKitfield)

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

Defense One: This Is Why Many of Iraq’s Forces Dropped Their Weapons – “There is plenty of blame to go around for a crisis that is splintering Iraq along its sectarian divides between majority Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish areas. The George W. Bush administration disastrously disbanded the regular, secular Iraqi army in 2003 and vastly underestimated the sectarian tensions that would be unleashed with the toppling of Hussein’s Sunni regime in Shiite-majority Iraq.”

Bloomberg News: Russia Sanctions Choice Puts Obama in Political Bind — “Obama so far has emphasized unity with European allies. Still, Obama will be under pressure to move unilaterally if German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other European leaders don’t back more aggressive sanctions and Russia continues to undermine Ukraine’s government. Some U.S. lawmakers from both parties said they are likely to back such moves.”

NPR: As Teens Are Buried In Ceremony, Israelis React To Unearthed Recordings – “Racheli Frankel is the mother of Naftali Frankel, a dual American-Israeli citizen, killed with Shaar and Eyal Yifrach. She eulogized the boys. She said God chose them to be his poster children for goodness and innocence. Israeli cabinet ministers have been debating a response to the killings, possibly including more strikes against the Gaza Strip which Hamas rules.”

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  • Fredlinskip

    Concerning our ongoing role in Iraqi affairs and elsewhere:

    In founding our nation, the citizens of our country weren’t keen on having a standing army at all- Our constitution makes no mention.

    It does however point out the need of militias to be at “beck and call” of Congress should an invasion or uprising occur.
    (As an aside, this seems to be the most obvious reason for inclusion of a 2nd amendment).

    What right, do we have as a nation to generate such a heavy-handed approach to World affairs, when we clearly cannot handle our domestic affairs? What example do we set, to maintain such dysfunctional government, where so many looming domestic issues go under addressed or unaddressed?

    Perhaps it’s time for us to go back to our roots and reserve National Defense for our national defense and concentrate on our own “house” for a bit.

    We should lead by example and encourage other countries to handle, with some help, their own issues- including “terror”.
    Terrorism is a crime- not a War.

    • John Cedar

      “Section. 2.

      The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States,…”

      • Fredlinskip

        Article 1, section 8, clause 15:
        The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions: “To provide for the calling for of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions.”

  • JONBOSTON

    Tom Ashbrook;

    In your reading list above for Defense One you highlight the two sentences from Kitfield’s article that suggest Bush is to blame for the Iraq fiasco. If you had been fair and balanced in your editing you would have included the far lengthier portion of Kitfield’s article that blamed our staggeringly incompetent president for his disastrous decision to ignore the advice of the military on residual troop strength and his failure to negotiate a status of forces agreement.

    • nkandersen

      Jon,

      Thanks for your note! As the web producer, article excerpts and edits are my responsibility. The purpose of these excerpts is to provide a small coloring of the article the selection links to, and encourage the reader to click the article link and read the entire piece for themselves.

      Clearly, you went ahead and read the Kitfield piece in full — a comprehensive and remarkably candid assessment of years of US diplomatic and military failures in Iraq, including, as you rightly note, the Obama Administration’s failure to push for a full Status of Forces Agreement in Iraq.

      Tom, like you, read the entire piece, and we hope everyone will as well. You’re reading a bit too much into an article excerpt, but we appreciate the input!

      Best,

      nick andersen
      web producer | on point radio

      • JONBOSTON

        Nick,
        I appreciate your responding to my note but your editing does encourage the liberal narrative that Bush and not Obama bears most of the blame for the impending disaster in Iraq. Perhaps I’m oversensitive but I’ve been listening to Tom Ashbrook since he started on WBUR and have noticed a determined effort to overlook and defend Obama’s overwhelming incompetence and leadership failures.

        • nkandersen

          Jon,

          Again, we feel you’re perhaps reading a bit too much into an editing choice made for page space, and not for ‘liberal narrative,’ but thanks for your thoughts here.

          Best,

          nick andersen
          web producer | on point radio

          • Coastghost

            Nick: pardon the intrusion, but do you “think” that thinking and feeling represent two equivalent epistemic modes, or do you and your fellow producers “feel” that thought and affectivity constitute two equal epistemic modes?
            In your usage: does “feeling” signify the speaker’s sincerity (which makes felt utterances immune to rational reproach), or does failure to invoke “thought” signify that you are exempting your position from rational analysis?
            Commendations to JON for assessing your editorial comportment. I think he’s on to something, though of course others may not feel that way.

          • TFRX

            Again, we feel you’re perhaps reading a bit too much into an editing choice made for page space, and not for ‘liberal narrative,

          • TFRX

            Wow. You’ve got the patience of a saint with these right-wingers.

            So, about those slurs leveled at me: What do I have to do to get them removed from this board?

        • HonestDebate1

          GDP was revised down 3 points. The economy is in big trouble and a double dip recession seems likely. There is no mention of it here.

          • Ray in VT

            What is your evidence of a GDP decline in the second quarter?

          • HonestDebate1

            Common sense. A three point swing in this horrible atmosphere is a tall order.

          • Ray in VT

            That isn’t evidence. Perhaps you could list some layoffs, as you did in the wake of the 2012 election. That would be funny.

          • HonestDebate1

            Who said anything about evidence? We’ll see.

          • Ray in VT

            I did ask for evidence and not a baseless opinion. Certainly you can point to poor factory orders, bad job numbers or any number of the other terrible economic indicators that have come out over the past few months indicating continued decline, or perhaps some articles showing that the poor economic performance in January and February continued into March and since then.

          • HonestDebate1

            You didn’t ask for my comment at all. Do you think -2.9% GDP is an issue that deserves a mention here? I mean they are talking about the Caliphate you dismiss, surely the worst GDP since 2008 is worthy of a mention.

          • Ray in VT

            I did ask for the evidence upon which your comment was based, but I see that you have none. You’re right. It’s totally a major topic of news coverage that for the quarter that ended just over 3 months ago, the GDP number was pretty bad. So bad, in fact, that we apparently should ignore the coverage over the past few months that show a solid rebound across the board from that bad quarter.

            What’s his nuts in Iraq can call himself the Queen of Sheba for all that I care. Declaring some sort of caliphate doesn’t really change anything as far as I am concerned. It’s called nationalism. It’s a pretty strong force that has undermined transnational movements for nearly the past 200 years. You should look into some of that history a bit, unless you are too busy gnashing your teeth and wringing your hands.

          • HonestDebate1

            Alrighty then.

          • Ray in VT

            Lame.

          • jefe68

            He’s a pill alright. Read some of the chestnuts from the the show on Civil Rights and MKL. It’s astounding how juvenile an adult can be.

          • Ray in VT

            I can imagine the wonderfully ahistorical nuggets that were dropped.

          • jefe68

            Did you know the MLK was a Republican and a conservative to boot. And that his message about social justice does not mean the same today is it did in the 60′s.

          • Ray in VT

            Obviously. What committed TOPer doesn’t “know” those things?

          • jefe68

            Alrighty then….

            I keep having visions of Ned Flanders saying this…

          • HonestDebate1

            What is your evidence the next quarter will grow?

          • Ray in VT

            News articles and the economic indicators.

          • HonestDebate1

            Did those same sources predict the 0.1% GDP would be revised down 3 points?

          • Ray in VT

            Probably not, although it was pretty generally acknowledged that the winter was pretty rough on the economy. I don’t know as they have made any sorts of claims about specific numbers.

          • HonestDebate1

            Oh Jeez, have a nice day.

          • Ray in VT

            Oh, is there something in there that you take exception to? Reality to hard. Try to deal with it.

            Plenty of poor numbers indicated a very rough patch from December to February. Those poor numbers have not been present over the past several months.

        • jefe68

          I think a lot of the right wingers who post on this forum are looking for the slightest excuse to go off about the slightest infraction that maybe has a tinge of bias leaning to the left of center.

          As you’re comment is a clear example of.

          You lot are looking for anything to point your fingers at and I must say the producer is being quite cordial and his explanation makes sense.

          That said you post things that are so far to the right one wonders if any accommodation can be made.

          As far as Iraq is concerned, the right wing narrative being put forth on this forum is disingenuous as the entire mess is no both parties. GW Bush owns his administration mistakes and abuses as does the Obama administration.
          One thing we should all agree on, ten plus years and $25 billion dollars later it seems that the ISF is a complete failure.
          And that in and of itself is a huge problem for the entire region.

        • J__o__h__n

          Of course Bush is to blame. It was his monumentally stupid idea to invade.

          • keltcrusader

            And Obama pushed hard to stay past the date set AND signed by Bush and Iraq told us to get the hell out and they would take care of things themselves. No surprise they couldn’t, but, of course, they wouldn’t be in this state if we hadn’t gone in there and wrecked it to start. Convenient memory loss the R’s have on that fact.

          • HonestDebate1

            The lid would have blown off of that pressure cooker long ago absent our going in to liberate Iraq. Algore would have gone after 9/11 if he had been elected.

          • J__o__h__n

            9/11 would likely not have happened. Gore would have known there was no connection.

          • HonestDebate1

            There was a huge connection. The post 9/11 world could not tolerate Hussein. The connection was not tactical, as Bush and Cheney made crystal clear, it was philosophical and that is just as true today.

            Algore and Clinton were the ones who turned down the Saudi’s offer to turn over Bin Laden after his failed attempt to bring down the WTC in 1993.

          • Ray in VT

            Funny, I seem to recall when figures, up to and including Bush, came out and said that there was an “operational” connection between Saddam and al Qaeda months after the intelligence community said that that was not the case. Your selective memory astounds.

          • J__o__h__n

            Hussein was no more of a threat after 9/11 than before.

          • keltcrusader

            yeah, and those same folks propped him up while he was treating his people like crap, but then, that was a-ok with them. pathetic.

          • Ray in VT

            Well, it was okay to help Saddam gas people, just so long as he was gassing the ‘right’ people.

          • Ray in VT

            That’s speculation. Especially regarding the former. It is hard to know what Gore would have done if he had the full knowledge of the situation regarding Iraq in 2002-2003 and not just the narrative that the Bush administration sold to the public.

          • keltcrusader

            liberate – hahahahahahahah wait you aren’t joking?

          • jefe68

            It’s bazaar and disturbing how some people can be so delusional even when they are presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

        • StilllHere

          Bush didn’t take his action unilaterally, whereas Obama did.

        • TFRX

          You’re reading a bit too much into an article excerpt

    • anamaria23

      The status of force agreement that would have kept us in Iraq five more years with 25,000 troops as some military vets declare would be needed? One presumes that your children are there, have been there or would be signing up.
      How many deaths for Iraq are enough for you?

    • J__o__h__n

      If we stayed for another decade or two or longer, the result would be the same.

  • Human2013

    While the immigration conundrum reaches a fever pitch, the right continues to be bamboozled by their politicians.

    I’ve posted before that the right has absolutely no interest in addressing immigration reform. The foundation of the conservative platform is built upon assisting big business in reducing their costs and tax liability making Illegal immigration the BEST GIFT the right can bestow to Big Biz.

    To my friends on the right, you are being distracted by your politicians’ rhetoric on President Obama’s failings and the inevitable inclusion of homosexuals into all of American life. Your conservative leaders LOVE illegal immigration and have no intention of doing away with it. While you continue to shout about IRS emails, Benghazi (whoa), and other inconsequential and nonsensical issues, your politicians continue to move against your best interest. Your politicians are double agents and have been for a very long time. The citizens of your states go without healthcare, are subject to subpar education and basically find themselves at the bottom of every American index.

    Go ahead and continue to let them distract you with social (Christian) issues and continue to watch your economic viability be reduced to ashes.

  • anon

    ‘Three dead teens in Israel’? That’s it? No mention of Palestinians killed, hundreds of Palestinians kidnapped an imprisoned, houses destroyed, neighborhoods bombed, buildings ransacked? And that’s just since the 3 Israeli teenagers were kidnapped. Just before that, Israeli forces killed 2 Palestinian teenagers (as recorded on surveillance cameras), and in normal times, a Palestinian child is killed every 3 days by Israeli ‘defense’ forces. Are you really ignoring all that?

    • anon

      “There is no difference between Arab blood and Jewish blood. Murder is murder. There is no forgiveness or justification for any murder,” said the family of Naftali Frenkel, 16, who was kidnapped and killed in the southern West Bank in June.

      I can’t imagine how horrible this has been for them, but they don’t consider Palestinian lives worthless. Too bad others (including most of the media) can’t understand that point.

  • Guest

    White House requests $500 million to aid Syrian (al-Qaeda) rebels

    http://rt.com/usa/168720-obama-syrian-rebel-fund/comments/

    • Ray in VT

      Oh X, Y, and Z, must you continue to push such a falsehood that all rebels in Syria are al Qaeda and/or militant Islamists?

      • HonestDebate1

        Weren’t you the one who yukked it up every time I brought up the Caliphate that is now in the headlines? Didn’t you dismiss my prescient warnings? Do you feel silly now?

        • Ray in VT

          Oh yeah, the global caliphate is back because a guy with some fighters declared it. Why, it’s like the Umayyads are back. Have the Sauds, the King of Jordan and the Ayatollahs all bowed down and accepted his religious rule?

  • John Cedar

    Also this week, a judge threw out the case of NBC defaming Zimmerman.
    I wonder if NBC will give the two people they fired for defaming him, their jobs back.

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=msnbc+court+florida+zimmerman&tbs=qdr:w

    • HonestDebate1

      I read that, unbelievable. I hope Zimmerman appeals.

      • J__o__h__n

        Or shoots them.

  • Guest
    • J__o__h__n

      Rev Moon’s paper?

      • Coastghost

        J_o_h_n: you mean, the one that’s NOT Rev Bezos’s paper?
        (The story is based on a Quinnipiac poll and was widely reported in yesterday’s or Tuesday’s or Monday’s a. m. news cycle.)

  • Ray in VT

    Who wants to tell me how awful the June jobs report was?

    • HonestDebate1

      I’m glad you realize that with all the pig lipstickin’ going on. The LFPR remains the lowest in many decades. The involuntary part-time numbers are through the roof. This is awful.

      • Ray in VT

        Thanks for the laugh. It’s always so nice that someone can come along and try to smear some dung on the nearly 1 million jobs added over the past 3 months. Keep up the lame work.

        • HonestDebate1

          Accepting your definition of nearly, the job market stinks. The U6 rate is 12.1%. The jobs added are mostly part-time dead end jobs. Any modest gains are pitifully inadequate to change the tide.

          • Ray in VT

            I know. A million jobs. How awful. It should also be noted that the U6 rate is down by 2.1% over the past year. How terrible. I mean that’s hardly changing the tide.

          • HonestDebate1

            Terrible is an understatement.

          • Ray in VT

            I know. A true conservative would have created like 50 billion jobs last month.

          • HonestDebate1

            Daffy Duck could do better that Obama has done.

          • Ray in VT

            A petulant hothead does seem like someone who would appeal to the TOP. What would the jobs number have been under your cartoon character of preference? Over or under 10 million per month?

          • hennorama

            Ray in VT — I thought the absolute minimum a conservative would create was “a gazillion.”

          • HonestDebate1
          • Ray in VT

            Yeah, you’d think that those 8 million jobs lost would have just been a blip. Any poorly educated ideologue looking to poo-poo the best few months of jobs numbers in years will tell you so.

          • HonestDebate1

            Reality is hard.

          • Ray in VT

            Yes. I can see why you avoid it at any and all costs.

    • JGC

      From an AP report, “government jobs are still 535,000 below the level they were at when the recession began in Dec. 2007. That’s why the overall economy still has 422,000 fewer jobs than it did then.”

      • Charles

        What’s a right-winger to do?
        Obviously, they need to be able to blame things on the President. But, nothing is worse than those lazy government workers!
        Ahhhhhh!

        • JGC

          Some here will find this decline to be “good news”, while at the same time not recognizing this contribution of fuller employment of municipal, state and federal workers to the higher employment stats that boosted the bottom line of the previous administration.

          • HonestDebate1

            Put me in that club although I don’t care about other administrations. I think it behooves us to look at the percentage of the public sector workforce as it relates to the overall workforce. Every single government job takes money out of the private sector. Every private sector job increases revenue to the treasury. This means there is a ratio for how many private sector jobs it takes to pay for a public sector job. It’s spinning wheels. We desperately need a robust private sector.

          • J__o__h__n

            Every single government job does not take jobs out the private sector. Even if you doubt that government initiatives don’t have a positive impact on the economy, you can’t claim that government employees’ spending doesn’t stimulate the economy producing private sector jobs. What about privatized jobs where the government pays private workers?

          • HonestDebate1

            Sure it does, the government doesn’t have a dime. Even if you argue it’s a net gain because of stimulative aspects, it still takes the money out of the private sector first.

            And I don’t but the Keynesian theory.

          • Ray in VT

            Yes, but you also claim that supply must come first, except where you have also claimed that demand comes first. Your positions on economics aren’t good for the bits and bytes that they’re communicated to us all with.

          • Ray in VT

            “Every private sector job increases revenue to the treasury.” How about the jobs that pay so little that the contributions to the treasury via payroll taxes are outstripped by benefits paid to keep workers out of abject poverty?

          • J__o__h__n

            Blame Obama and the food stamp recipients rather than the wonderful job creator. The worker had freedom to get a better job. You know the answer to this!

  • Ed75

    In Israel the only solution seems to be the two state solution, supported by the Vatican, but things aren’t moving in that direction? What other choice is there?
    At Fatima Mary said ‘… The Holy Father will consecrate the world to my Immaculate Heart, and a period of peace will be granted to mankind. In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.’
    The consecration took place in 1984, in 1989 the world conflict between Communism and the West ended, and now it’s been 25 years without a world conflict, I wonder if the period of peace is at an end. I hope not.

    • J__o__h__n

      Neither side really wants peace.

  • Fredlinskip

    Perhaps Our FF’s were on to something by not including in our constitution the establishment of a standing army.
    Perhaps they were tired of War and tired of countries that thought they were so omnipotent that they could go in, occupy other countries and mold them as they wished.
    Perhaps they thought it was enough to support the pursuit of happiness in our own vast nation.
    Perhaps the best way to promote Democracy worldwide is to prove by example how well it can work here.

    OH, wait, …sorry, ….umm just daydreaming…
    Let’s send a bunch more troops into Iraq, extend the War some more years spend a few more Trillions.
    we can pay for it through tax cuts for the wealthy and all that oil they’ll send us.

  • Guest

    Obama Jokes White House Pastry Chef Puts Crack in His Pies

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/30/Obama-Jokes-White-House-Pastry-Chef-Puts-Crack-In-His-Pies

    I’m sure Obama was ‘only joking’.

    • JGC

      Mayor Ford wants an invitation to the next State dinner.

      • Charles

        Boom!
        Well played.

    • Ray in VT

      Indeed, because describing some food that is so delicious that you want to eat it all of the time, or some other such thing, getting called being “like crack” isn’t a thing at all.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Like George Bush, Barry has spent too many hours on the hookah. Hoober Doober

    • StilllHere

      The guy’s a racist, he should have said just cocaine.

    • Coastghost

      Does the recorded exchange suggest tension between Barack and Michelle? With that one comment, Obama attempted to vitiate all of Michelle’s valiant efforts to combat perceptions of “food addiction”, she had to tut-tut and tsk-tsk him into silence. (We can hope she sent him to bed without his dessert.)

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    How ’bout that US Dept. Labor report. More and more Americans are being dumped from the permanently employed good job roster and yet.. the “unemployment rate” keeps falling. Ain’t capitalism neat?

    “Please sir, can I have some more?
    Why Oliver.. you can have it all.”

  • HonestDebate1
    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Do America a favor. In November.. make every incumbent a job seeker. HD

    • J__o__h__n

      Is that adjusted for age as the baby boomers are retiring?

    • Ray in VT

      Interesting how the labor force and employment have both increased here in 2014. Research indicates that much of the recent numbers of people leaving the labor force is no longer due to worker discouragement, as was the case previously since the onset of the Recession. Maybe Obama can force people to not retire or to leave school earlier, as these factors appear to currently be much bigger drivers.

    • StilllHere

      It’s amazing that will all of the discouraged workers who have given up looking for work during the course of this “recovery,” labor force participation continues to fall.

      Employment of those over 65 has increased by many fold, so the theory of boomer retirement is completely bogus.

    • jimino

      Paraphrasing you, if they can’t find a decent job they have nobody but themselves to blame.

      • StilllHere

        Ouch, so callous, are you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

        • jimino

          You mistakenly posted this as a reply to me when it obviously should have been to Gregg. He’s the one who can’t keep his story straight.

      • HonestDebate1

        No, that’s not really my position at all. I am a firm believer that people choose what they are worth to society and not the other way around. Material comfort is all about making good decisions (or at least not make bad ones). You can choose to be poor. You can choose to be rich.

        Having said that, Obama has ruined everything. The jobs are just not there and there is no confidence to create them. I have sympathy for that view.

        • Guest

          I know. Just look at it. When Obama came into office we were averaging 700,000+ jobs per month, and now the economy is adding a paltry 230,000 jobs per month this year. This is awful.

        • Bill_GKD

          I know. Just look at it. When Obama came into office we were
          averaging 700,000+ jobs lost per month, and now the economy is adding a
          paltry 230,000 jobs per month this year. This is awful.

          • Ray in VT

            Methinks you’ve been a bit redundant here.

    • StilllHere

      The Household Survey showed a gain of 407,000 jobs but part-time jobs increased by 1,150,000. Part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) increased by 275,000 in June to 7.5 million. Part time for non-economic reasons jumped 840,000 (from 19,040,000 to 19,880,000).

      Obamacare strikes again.

      • Bill_GKD

        Please provide some research that indicates that such changes are due to the ACA. Also please provide some insights as to why if people employed part time for involuntary reasons is due to the ACA, why, now some six months after the ACA becoming more fully implemented, that class of worker, seasonally adjusted, is down by some 650,000 versus this time last year.

      • hennorama

        Stilllhere — many do not realize that there are two different measures of employment provide by the BLS, and that they differ markedly in their margins of error and significance when considering only month-to-month changes.

        From the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), with emphasis added:

        “The establishment survey employment series has a smaller margin of error on the measurement of month-to-month change than the household survey because of its much larger sample size. An over-the-month employment change of about 100,000 is statistically significant in the establishment survey, while the threshold for a statistically significant change in the household survey is about 400,000.

        See:
        http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.faq.htm

        The reason for the two surveys is that the US labor market is very large and very complex, and no single measure can completely capture all of its variations.

        • StilllHere

          All numbers referenced are greater than 400,000. Thanks.

          • hennorama

            Stilllhere — You’re welcome, and TYFYR.

            Perhaps you didn;t read your own words:

            “Part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) increased by 275,000 in June…”

            Other than that, you’re correct.

            Thanks again.

  • Coastghost

    How about this week’s “Facebook Follies”? Does “Terms of Service” mean “Carte Blanche” in Technogeek? (Surely, no need for alarm: the Follies only confirm what decades of American advertising practice have already shown, viz., how prone to manipulation consumers are, how ready to manipulate advertisers and media tycoons are.)

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The modern Caliphate = Washington, D.C.

  • OnPointComments

    No mention of the other Supreme Court case decided this week, Harris v. Quinn, which some legal scholars say is more significant than Hobby Lobby v. Sebelius. In Harris v. Quinn, the corrupt and greedy union SEIU, in cahoots with Michigan’s Democratic governor, seized dues from home-based family members taking care of their sick or disabled family members by declaring that these home-care and day-care workers were state employees, forced them into the union, and skimmed part of their Medicaid payments as union dues. The Supreme Court said the scheme is unconstitutional.

    In this case, Pamela Harris took care of her disabled son, and received a Medicaid payment for doing so. Democratic governor Rod Blagojevich and his successor, Democratic governor Pat Quinn, forced her to pay dues to SEIU for the privilege of caring for her son. The scheme netted SEIU nearly $40 million in dues. I doubt that it was a coincidence that SEIU was a major supporter of both Blagojevich and Quinn.

    • HonestDebate1

      That is huge and completely overshadowed by Hobby Lobby.

      The DC circuit court is also expected to rule today on another crucial aspect of Obamacare.

      http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/02/by-the-way-the-d-c-circuit-might-nuke-obamacare-tomorrow/

    • StilllHere

      Thanks for bringing it up. It offers hope that the SEIU will have more difficulty keeping Democrat politicians in its pocket.

      • OnPointComments

        If the case had gone the other way, I wouldn’t have been surprised if the public employees union convinced Democrats that those who receive Social Security benefits and welfare payments are also government employees, force the recipients into the union, and skimmed part of their benefits. And of course Democrats would get their kickback from the union.

    • laurabien

      Blagojovich and Quinn were governors of Illinois. Not Michigan.

      • OnPointComments

        Thanks for the correction.

    • hennorama

      OPC – that’s interesting and all, but aren’t you also/more upset that “… home-based family members [are being paid for] taking care of their sick or disabled family members …”?

      Aren’t they supposed to do that for free, according to the “family values” crowd?

      Just curious.

      • OnPointComments

        I have no doubt that if the government hadn’t established the benefit, home-based family members would still be taking care of their sick and disabled family members.

        • hennorama

          OPC — TYFYR.

          Uh huh.

          Care to answer the first question posed now?

          Repeating, for your convenience:

          Aren’t you also/more upset that “… home-based family members [are being paid for] taking care of their sick or disabled family members …”?

          • OnPointComments

            First, the statement that the “‘family values’ crowd” believes that they shouldn’t receive Medicare or Medicaid payments when they take care of members of their families is your statement, not theirs. I don’t know of any “‘family values’ crowd” that has made this statement.

            Second, I am not upset in the least that these payments are made. However, I do dislike it when a corrupt union decides to enlarge its bank account by stealing from the most vulnerable members of our society.

          • hennorama

            OPC — TYFYR.

            You have mistaken a question containing an implication, for a statement.

            Repeating, again for your convenience:

            “Aren’t they supposed to do that for free, according to the “family values” crowd?”

            Also, the recent OP show titled Republican Party Makes Plans For A Bigger Tent included a link to the Republican manifesto Room to Grow: Conservative Reform for Limited Government and a Thriving Middle Class, which was nearly explicit in the concept of getting rid of Social Security and Medicare in favor of having larger families, so that family members could help support retirees, thusly:

            One of those distortions, and a crucial one, is the way Social Security and Medicare have “crowded out” the traditional incentive to raise children as a protection against poverty in old age. Today, most workers can reasonably foresee getting enough support from the public retirement system to stay out of poverty when they get older, making it less likely that they will have to call on direct aid—either in cash or in kind—from their own children.

            See:
            http://onpoint.wbur.org/2014/06/02/gop-reform-smaller-government

            http://ygnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Room-To-Grow.pdf (page 34)

            Please excuse the lack of response to the remainder of your comment, as it is deemed to be inflammatory rhetoric.

            Thanks again FYR.

          • OnPointComments

            My reading of the article from which you quoted yields an entirely different conclusion than yours, i.e., that the author proposes “getting rid of Social Security and Medicare in favor of having larger families.” He points out that the Social Security Ponzi scheme (my characterization, not his) relies upon a sufficient number of productive children becoming workers and paying into the system so that there are sufficient funds to pay benefits to retired workers. The author goes on to affirmatively contradict your statement that he proposes “getting rid of Social Security and Medicare:” “these negative effects [of making so much of the economic benefit of children accrue to society collectively] cannot be fixed by converting old-age entitlement programs into mandatory savings programs, as the Bush administration suggested for Social Security in 2005.”

            The implication that the “‘family values’ crowd” believes they shouldn’t receive payments for taking care of their family members is your implication, not theirs.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The only air support the US needs to provide in Iraq: parachuting a division of hookers. I think the military calls than an insertion.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Maybe one day the US will have a government WE THE PEOPLE can believe in.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Gee, I wonder what has to change for us to get closer to this ideal?

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    We need to stay out of the expanding civil war in the Levant. Getting the US military involved there will only throw gasoline on the flames.

    The Supreme Court decisions this week are intellectually and morally corrupt.

    The hateful protesters who turned back the mothers and toddlers in California should be ashamed of themselves. It is like blaming the sick for the disease.

    • J__o__h__n

      I don’t think the US can or should take in all of these refugees but the protesters made me sick.

      • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

        What is the moral thing to do?

        • laurabien

          Take in the refugees.

        • J__o__h__n

          Try to solve the problems in their countries of origin.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            Right, but we cannot do that instantly, and maybe not at all. So, the question remains, what do we do about these people coming to our country? What is the moral response to these people?

    • laurabien

      We will effect nothing but disaster for ourselves and the indigenous people if we get involved in another continent’s ancient tribal war. We do not understand their culture and history and our past “hearts and minds”-type naivete is nothing short of embarrassing.

      The Hobby Lobby decision still has me aghast. I am embarrassed to think how civilized countries view us–a land of primitive superstition and poorly-educated, credulous religious fanatics bullying normal people with their unfounded, harmful, ridiculous and ignorant superstitions.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The US backup plan for Iraq: Uncle Sam needs Vietnam country helicopter pilots.

    This time we take the soldiers out and leave the diplomats behind.

  • Michiganjf

    WOW!

    That’s the nastiest sort of anti-immigrant bile I’ve ever heard, and it’s just pouring out of right-wingers in the most vile way.

    I hope you play some of the sound-bytes of these vicious racists on the right, hurling profanity and hatred at women and children who have come here trying to escape the violence of their homelands.

    Social workers and police are having to move through gauntlets of right-wingers spewing hatred, while they do their best to help women and children living in desperation, uncertainty, and fear.

    They are being rounded up and given shelter until they can be sent back to their respective countries… isn’t it enough for these HATERS on the right that these refugees are not going to be given sanctuary, but will be sent home?

    Just horrible!

  • Ray in VT

    Since things don’t get absolutely limited to the news of the past 7 days, and because I didn’t look in last Friday, can I safely assume that the NCDC’s report listing May as the warmest on record was roundly dismissed or downplayed by the usual crew?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Since GHW Bush: US presidents, like the Pope and HRH Hillary, don’t make mistakes.

  • Coastghost

    Obama tries, and his trying is trying.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      You can’t work the country and your putting at the same time, bless him. HD

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Let’s lose the lie: there is NO Middle East peace process.

    • OnPointComments

      from Dave Barry: Billions of years from now, when Earth is hurtling toward the Sun and there is nothing left alive on the planet except a few microorganisms, the microorganisms living in the Middle East will be bitter enemies.

  • Jack

    “Co-existed” with the Ottomans? Jews lived under the Ottomans, but they were dominated by Muslims under Ottoman rule, not the mutual co-existence of equals. The caller is wrong on that.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Was it right to hate the Nazis?

  • James

    It’s Israel’s fault
    no it’s the Muslims fault
    no it’s Israel’s fault
    no it’s the Muslims fault

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Ain’t we got fun? HD

    • malkneil

      Exactly. As long as both sides think they have divine warrant to the same piece of hallowed ground there will be no end.

      Thanks religion.

    • Omaha Guy

      If it wasn’t Israel, it would be something else.

      They have conservative commentators like we do, and they scapegoat Israel right now, but even if they didn’t have Israel, they would scapegoat the other brand of Islam, or poor people, or women who want to have basic human rights.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Scientists are going to clone HRH Hillary so she can be on our TV and internet streams CONSTANTLY. 24/7 in our heads and in our faces. Until she’s buried in a big pyramid on the banks of the Potomac.*

    * I hope they’re not going to bury her acolytes & attendants with her! Then again, maybe I do.

  • OnPointComments

    “Get your politics out of my bedroom!”
    “Not a problem. I’m just going to grab my wallet before I leave.”
    “The wallet stays, bigot.”

    • Eliza_Bee

      Because of the nature of most jobs in retail, I wonder whether the Hobby Lobby owners feel like they are giving their employees health insurance?–that it’s more like a gift than compensation. (When I buy gifts, I don’t buy things that offend my own morality.)

      Then I got to thinking this attitude that insurance is a gift from employer to employee is a natural outgrowth of the maker/taker framing so beloved by Republicans and Libertarians. The posted cartoon reeks of it, as did many of the comments after the program a couple days ago.

      When you own a retail operation like Hobby Lobby and are making billions, you’re making those billions thanks to your employees; the employees are not taking something from you.

      • OnPointComments

        The Supreme Court case about Hobby Lobby’s health care plan had nothing to do with what had been negotiated, offered, and accepted between Hobby Lobby and its employees. It was about the government mandate that changed the plan.

        • J__o__h__n

          How many employees were able to negotiate coverage of the contraceptives?

        • laurabien

          Indeed it was, and not some phony “religious conviction” on HL’s part. So hypocritical.

    • TFRX

      More crap from Ramirez, the comforter of the comfortable and the afflicter of the afflicted.

      • HonestDebate1

        C’mon! That’s funny, I don’t care who you are.

        • OnPointComments

          Please don’t mock TFRX; he can’t read well. The cartoon isn’t from Ramirez.

          • HonestDebate1

            That’s funny, I don’t care who you are!

        • TFRX

          “Funny” is when an old white straight man doesn’t have to worry about bullshit from the court creating “closely held corporation” status.

    • StilllHere

      Funny stuff.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Try the andante con molto movement, Beethoven 5th symphony. Most sublime. Beats crack music. And it will 100 years from now, too.

  • OnPointComments

    From the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court decision: “Under HHS’s view, RFRA [the Religious Freedom Restoration Act] would permit the Government to require all employers to provide coverage for any medical procedure allowed by law in the jurisdiction in question — for instance, third-trimester abortions or assisted suicide.” Part of this case was the government trying to force Mardel, a Christian bookstore, to provide free abortifacients, and ultimately, abortions. Now that’s a slippery slope, although I suspect it’s one with which most liberals have absolutely no problem.

    • J__o__h__n

      A bookstore is not a church.

  • M S

    Illegal immigrants = Obama invitees

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    I will not apologize for robbing banks. So sue me.
    –Willie Sutton

  • Omaha Guy

    Hobby Lobby’s core competency is hobby supplies. They may feel religious, but they are not competent with employee benefits.

    Hobby Lobby has proved the value of the Affordable Care Act, aka. Obamacare.

    We always had a national health care plan. That is, tax credits and deductions for employers. It was exclusive to those who have jobs with companies with a lucrative income stream.

    Just because someone has a lucrative income stream, cannot mean that they may dictate their views to employees.

    Obamacare will increase freedom of both employers and employees. Employees can get their tax credits, deductions, and subsidies outside of their religious employers. And religious employers no longer have to worry that they are subsidizing blood transfusions, abortions, contraceptives, and vaccinations… etc..

    Obamacare increases freedom and tax fairness.

    • OnPointComments

      If Obamacare is so great, why make it mandatory? Wouldn’t people voluntarily take advantage of such a wonderful opportunity?

      • J__o__h__n

        Of course they would. And everyone would wait until they get sick to buy it.

      • Omaha Guy

        It doesn’t make “obamacare” mandatory… it increases the freedom to choose your plan, but decreases your freedom to be a deadbeat.

        • warryer

          “We’re gonna freedom the sh!+ out of you.”

    • pete18

      How do you figure, given that people’s plans are now more expensive and people have less options within them?

      • Omaha Guy

        Plans were going up in price BEFORE the affordable care act. Mutual of Omaha went out of the Insurance business BEFORE the affordable care act.

        In summation, Obamacare is an online voucher program that has conditions that it be used for honest plans.

        My previous employer had a fixed benefit plan that is no longer allowed. Thank goodness. I suffered alot from that.

        I am not currently eligible for the website because my current employer’s plan meet the affordability index.

        But, now I have the upper hand. Even though I have a good work ethic, I could still face many landmines at work unrelated to my work ethic. And, my company has some other debt issues not related to health care. If I lose my health insurance now, I can get another job and take those tax benefits for myself, instead of taking them through my employer.

        • pete18

          But we were told that Obamacare was going to lower prices, “bend the cost curve down.” Wasn’t that a false bill of goods?

          • J__o__h__n

            How immediate are results from a bend?

          • OnPointComments

            “If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold.” –President Obama

      • TFRX

        Hahaha.

        Take your anecdata elsewhere.

        • pete18

          I read that in Balloon Juice.

          • HonestDebate1

            Then it must be true.

  • Coastghost

    Query: how is it that these resolute and plucky children from Central America don’t cease their northern migration within the expanses of Mexico itself? What explains their northward march all across Mexico to the Rio Grande itself? We’re talking about traversing fifteen degrees of latitude here. (Is the Mexican state somehow less accommodating to Central American migrants? Are any of these distressed populations moving south, say, to the socialist paradise of Venezuela?)

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    I will do everything I promise.
    –Barack Obama, ’08

    I can’t do anything. I promise.
    –Barack Obama, ’14

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Congress? We ain’t got no Congress. We don’t need no Congress! I don’t have to show you any stinkin’ Congress!

    {apologies to Gold Hat}

  • Red

    “tired of our tyrant of a President”

    Goober listens to too much AM talk radio methinks.

  • OnPointComments

    “The Senate once prided itself on being “the world’s greatest deliberative body.” That it no longer is. According to the Congressional Research Service, Senator Harry Reid (D., Nev.) has obstructed the amendment process for his colleagues 85 times — more than double the total of his six predecessors combined. Neither Republican nor Democratic senators can offer amendments. This negates every senator’s right to debate and amend legislation and thus fully represent his or her constituents.”
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/381834/tyranny-majority-leader-dave-hoppe

    • Omaha Guy

      If you are not on the OnPoint staff then your name is misleading.

  • hennorama

    The protesters blocking the buses in Murrietta, CA seemed to have been at least tacitly encouraged by the local police, who seemed to do nothing whatsoever to stop them. This may have been due to Murrietta mayor’s opinions on the subject.

    From the LA Times:

    The face-off came one day after Mayor Alan Long urged residents to protest the federal government’s decision to move the recent immigrants who had arrived in the country illegally — and have overwhelmed Texas border facilities — to the Border Patrol station here.

    “Murrieta expects our government to enforce our laws, including the deportation of illegal immigrants caught crossing our borders, not disperse them into our local communities,” Long said Monday at a news conference. The city had defeated two previous attempts to send migrants to the facility, he said.

    Mayor Long seems ignorant of Federal law, however. Per vox.com:

    Under current law, the Border Patrol is required to take child migrants who aren’t from Mexico into custody, screen them, and transfer them to the Office of Refugee Resettlement (a part of the Department of Health and Human Services).

    Sources:
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-immigrants-murrieta-20140701-story.html#page=1

    http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5813406/explain-child-migrant-crisis-central-america-unaccompanied-children-immigrants-daca

    • M S

      But Obama’s actions prove that adherence to federal law is optional.

      • hennorama

        M S — thank you for your response.

        That’s an interesting interpretation.

        Federal authorities are obviously struggling with the vagaries of immigration law. This is partly due to a lack of an expectation that thousands of children would make the long journey from Central American countries to the southern US border. Current law anticipated and accounts for such an influx from Mexico, but not from Central America.

    • TFRX

      Funny how the nutjobs work: The Bundyistas treated with kid gloves, and now this.

      Message delivered: It’s fun to break the law and be white.

  • levigirl

    to all those people that say “immigrate here the right way” – There is no right way! Immigration law is so messed up … process is slow, time limits short, lawyers praying on immigrants, conditions of immigration complicated and not inviting plus uscis discriminates against certain employers that would sponsor.. Just go to an immigration interview and you will see the true face of America, it is the worst experience…
    I know a Harvard graduate who had to leave to Canada because he was not able to secure employment with sponsorship a year after graduation and his visa expired. If a Harvard graduate cannot do it, how do you expect a farmer do it?

    • M S

      Oh please. I’ve been through the process with my wife and we secured her green card promptly. Sounds like your friend just couldn’t get a job. All good things come to those who wait.

      • levigirl

        So the right way to immigrate is to marry… great… congrats to your wife

        • M S

          Or get a job! But no, you just can’t hang out. And thanks, I’ll pass it on.

          • StilllHere

            One would have thought that was obvious.

          • levigirl

            Just because you have a job it does not mean that you will get or keep you legal status. And that is the whole point… you have to get a certain job with certain employer who will be willing to sponsor you for status, but you have to get this done while your status is still valid, that is if you had the right kind of visa to begin with…Your wife did not have to deal with this “little” problem.

          • M S

            No, my wife didn’t, but I did attend a top graduate program with a very large international contingent. Those who were hired by American companies had little or no problems. Perhaps he should bring his/her concerns up with Harvard’s Career Services because if he was employable, he would have been hired. Otherwise, he should just consider himself lucky to have gotten a great education.

          • levigirl

            It is less and less common btw for companies to sponsor given the downturn in the economy… that does not change the fact that most immigrants do not have a degree from Ivy League school and that is why the laws do not work for them.. thus they are jumping fences

          • M S

            True, but companies hire dependent upon their needs at the time, regardless of whether the potential employee is American or they are from abroad, but the fact the government requires someone to prove that they will not be a burden on our society is good thing.

          • levigirl

            This issue is complicated ( I am tired of typing here)… Nevertheless, we should stop looking at immigrants as burden… there are plenty of Americans here that are a burden and we deal with them.
            No one is perfect, but everyone deserves a chance.

          • M S

            Not all immigrants are burdens, but some are. And if they are a burden, why do my tax dollars have to pay for them as well as the “plenty of Americans” who are burdensome as well?

        • Omaha Guy

          Hmmm… i understand this now….

          horrible immigration policy is a defacto full-marriage act for anyone who wants to get married.

          unless you are lgbt that is…

    • StilllHere

      It’s great that all are treated equally, the farmer and the 1%er.

    • JGC

      H1-B visas are very limited considering the demand; the annual lottery fills up quickly. Don’t know what the education background or level for your friend is: they reserve an extra 20,000 H1-B visas for graduates with master’s or higher degrees. If the candidate’s background is not in a high demand technical or scientific field, it may also be harder to find the employer who will go the distance and through the expense of fostering an H1-B solution.

      I heard that some of the Silicon Valley employers are doing a bit of an end run around the problem by setting up satellite companies in the Vancouver area, and hiring employees through the more open Canadian guest worker program (geared to target more immigrants with STEM skills).

  • jimino

    The immigrant children are refugees whose parents have desperately sent them out of the hellsih conditions in their countries of origin. Very few countries takes in fewer refugees, as a percentage of its population, than the USA, so refusing to assist them in their plight should be expected.

    • StilllHere

      I don’t think they meet the traditional definition of refugees, most are economic opportunists. Hellish conditions is also subjective and effects a very, very small minority of illegal immigrants.

      • jimino

        “Economic opportunist” children. Kind of like in Oliver Twist?

      • TFRX

        I heard that child molesters like you are still welcome here NPR is so open minded.

        See, when I make up slurs about people I admit I’m fabricating stuff, not whispering things.

        • hennorama

          TFRX — The whole “two wrongs thing.” “The high road” and all.

          Just saying. (And I realize how difficult it is, believe me.)

          • TFRX

            High road, my ass.

            For someone slur me with a whispering campaign about bullshit like that, and then say “I’m not going to engage”?

            I get to wait for the so-open-minded-their-brains-fall-out moderators at BUR to do something, while this place become another right-wing cesspool.

          • hennorama

            TFRX — TYFYR.

            I get it, truly. I’ve been called a liar, and have had others lie about my words, so I understand the impulse to respond.

            But mostly what results when you do respond is similar to what occurs when you try to reason with a drunk person. In the end they’re still drunk, you’re still frustrated, and nothing changes.

            It does feel good though, and is quite entertaining to others.

            Thanks again, and hang in there.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The Chinese are going to be serving Mu Shu Abe before the Japan island crisis is over.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Cue the crack music.

    • OnPointComments

      It was irony at its best to hear the participants on NPR’s “Here and Now” yesterday discuss how demeaning Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines” is to women, then move on to discussing their fondness of rap music.

  • OnPointComments

    It was mildly entertaining to watch new White House press spokesman Josh Earnest tap dance around the White House gender pay gap. Another example of do as I say, not as I do.

    • StilllHere

      Obama’s war on women continues.

      • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

        You keep thinking that …

        • StilllHere

          It doesn’t matter what I think, it’s what single, Democrat women think; and my guess is they think it stinks. But it wouldn’t be the first time he didn’t walk the talk.

          • Blue_To_Shoe

            Keep trying…

          • StilllHere

            and succeeding. Thanks for the encouragement!

          • TFRX

            Hey, who did you slur today with no evidence, you little toad?

          • jefe68

            You’re dealing with an immature child here.

          • OnPointComments

            You shouldn’t demean yourself like that.

          • jefe68

            ahhh, your so cute when you get hot under the collar.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            Yeah, that’s why Mitt won the women’s vote.

          • J__o__h__n

            He had a binder.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            Yeah! That’s what President Obama needs to do – get binders full of women!

        • jefe68

          The right wing troll has to get his daily anti-Obama screed in, I mean it’s not Friday unless there are at least a dozen or more of these screeds posted.

          • Blue_To_Shoe

            Yeah…that sad attempt to deflect from Republican bias towards women has been debunked long ago, but…you know how it is.

      • HonestDebate1

        He has convinced them that Hobby Lobby is preventing women from having sex…. or something.

      • Guest

        That’s probably the only war he’ll win!

  • J__o__h__n

    Ed, bad weather/hurricane is going to interfere with Fourth of July celebrations. Does this mean god is punishing the US for the Court ruling against buffer zones and requiring corporations provide birth control?

  • Blue_To_Shoe

    These Talking Heads are always bashing Obama (and Congress) – to be fair – over the heads with constant polls!

    I’ve also noticed that these Talking Heads are acting as if we do not live in 47/47 Country like Mitt Romney said!
    It’s disingenuous to act as if the President could EVER get more than 47 percent if things aren’t perfect!
    Almost HALF the country didn’t even want to give him credit for his role in getting Bin Laden!

    I just saw a report on how Hillary Clinton’s so-called ‘numbers’ are falling; she isn’t even in office!!!!

    The truth is that many Americans are just as cynical as politicians when it comes to expressing their opinions, and are just saying what they WANT to say to these polls without much sincerity!

    Americans are constantly CONTRADICTING themselves when it comes to polls!

    • StilllHere

      Do you have a poll to prove your point?

      • Blue_To_Shoe

        Yes…It’s called the “Keeping It Real” research center poll.

      • TFRX

        Hey, you come up with some more penny-ante diagnoses of people today, or did the Cracker Jack Co want their psychiatry degree back from you?

        • StilllHere

          Look, I don’t know what kind of slurs you’ve been throwing around at oppressed groups that got you into trouble but I’ve got no interest in interacting with you as you spread your mendacity.

          • TFRX

            Hey, you wanna back up your whispering campaign about that, or are you just another rightwing coward?

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Reagan was anointed the ‘best’ President since WWII in the same poll that skewered Obama. Reagan had no problem garnering >50% support in less than ideal circumstances. Reagan did it by exuding leadership.

      Community organizing may be a noble profession but it certainly doesn’t prepare one for being President. Surprisingly, 10 years experience as a Constitutional Law Professor apparently doesn’t necessarily prepare one for Constitutional diligence as we can see from the recent 9-0 SCOTUS smack-downs.

      • TFRX

        Bullshat.

        The Reagan Reverence Cottage Industry has been in full tilt since before Saint Ronnie sold arms to the contras.

        That poll is a byproduct.

        • hennorama

          TFRX — pardon the interruption. FYI “bullshit” is no longer prohibited.

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t think it ever was.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Quinniapac conspiracy. Call Oliver Stone.

          • TFRX

            You wanna take a crack at reading what

            I wrote and cogitating it this time?

            Simple stuff for Saint Ronnie: Every Republican has been trained to love the idea of him.

            Simple stuff for Dems: Splitting their votes among Clinton, Kennedy, and Obama.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Ever hear of Reagan Democrats?

            Or was that a mythology too.

            Gotta go now. I’m late for the secret monthly meeting of Clinton Republicans.

          • TFRX

            You wanna take a crack at reading what I wrote?

          • StilllHere

            Good stuff.

    • TFRX

      As Cohn wrote in TNR,

      What they mainly show is that Republicans are far more unified around a single story than are Democrats.

      Republicans are unified around Ronald Reagan.

      Democrats, however, have a competitive race for best president: Bill Clinton, at 34 percent, John Kennedy and Obama, at 18 percent.

      http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-02/yet-another-worthless-presidential-poll

  • OnPointComments

    Do you ever wish that you could spend a lot of time in a super-luxurious building like Trump World Tower (construction cost of $334/sq ft), Bellagio Hotel and Casino ($330/sq ft), or Burj Khalifa in Dubai ($450/sq ft)? Then you should apply for a job with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which is renovating its headquarters at a cost of $590 per square foot, and is currently estimated to cost $215 million when completed (increased from its previous estimates of $55 million, $95 million, $111 million, and $145 million).

    The Inspector General found that the CFPB did not follow its own Investment Review Board guidance when completing the business case for the building renovation, did not include any quantitative information or calculations related to return on investment, and was unable to locate any documentation of the decision to fully renovate the building. The IG stated:

    “While the decision to renovate may pre-date the current IRB policies, these policies were in place when the business case was submitted for funding approval. We cannot conclude whether a complete analysis would have altered the decision to approve funding for the renovation. However, without this analysis, the value of the IRB process as a funding control is diminished and a sound business case is not available to support the funding of the renovation. In addition, expected cost information is not available as a baseline to facilitate management of changes in estimated renovation costs.”

    But hey, it’s only $215 million, and it’s only government money. Now how can we raise taxes to get the government some more revenue…

  • HonestDebate1

    The courts have slapped down Obama what, 14/15 times in a row? Can we dispense with the notion he is not lawless? Can we agree that to the extent he considers himself a Constitutional scholar, he is either a lousy one or a devious agenda driven activist?

    • Bill_GKD

      Being lawless and coming out on the losing side of a case where there are different interpretations of law are two entirely different things. But if pretending that they are the same as a part of your Obama the dictator meme, then I expect you to continue to do so.

      I suppose that you will also be glossing over the fact that many of the recent cases that the government lost were for cases that originated with the Bush administration?

      • HonestDebate1

        That logic works after 3 or 4 times, maybe 5.

        • Bill_GKD

          So yes, you are ignoring that many of the recent losses originated prior to Obama becoming President and were challenges to actions undertaken by the Bush administration?

          • HonestDebate1

            Sure they were Bill. Iraq, the boarder, the economy, divided America, Syria, Benghazi, Al Qaeda and everything under the sun… and then some, it’s all Bush’s fault.

          • Bill_GKD

            Que? What a bizarre response.

            Can we also pretend that those cases involve some sort of executive overreach as long as it helps advance the Obama the tyrant meme?

          • HonestDebate1

            I didn’t say that but certainly some do. Maybe even most depending on how you define executive overreach. I happen to think the President has broad authority in matters of war while having next to none in matters of legislation.

          • Ray in VT

            Tradition and precedent certainly disagree with you on that latter point, but why let stuff like that stop you from sticking to your guns on the topic.

      • OnPointComments

        Apparently the Supreme Court didn’t have a different interpretation in at least 20 cases where the Obama administration lost with UNANIMOUS Supreme Court verdicts.

    • TFRX

      “What, ## ##?”

      I’m glad you’re not a mathemetician.

      • Bill_GKD

        How does one lose 14/15ths of a case?

        • HonestDebate1

          I should have written 14 or 15. I’m syntax impaired; I’m also an idiot and I still have to play down to the audience. Go figure.

          • Bill_GKD

            Yes, one does really have to play down pretty far to get to the level of your average TOPer.

          • HonestDebate1

            Things on my list to learn:

            What TOP means
            What JAQ means
            Why liberals are so nasty

          • Ray in VT

            Well, considering your struggles with definitions and reading, then I expect that you won’t be able to figure out the first two any time soon. I tend to find liberals to be quite pleasant, at least not when continually confronted with those committed to advancing lies and distortions. When that is the case, however, I don’t really expect anyone to put up with such idiocy for very long before letting stuff fly.

          • jefe68

            Liberals are not nasty at all, it’s just you right wingers have such delicate constitutions and use any excuse to whine and whinge.

          • jefe68

            That’s par the course for the Right Wing Friday Morning Coffee Kvetch club.
            They keep trying to see who can be the lowest bottom feeder.

          • jefe68

            I’ll say. You seem to be mistaken, your attempts of playing up to an audience has fallen flat. Like a bad soufflé.

        • StilllHere

          Let me guess, not a math major, or even a minor.

          • Bill_GKD

            Let me guess. You never majored in anything. Care to tell me which case the administration lost 14/15s of?

          • TFRX

            Hey, you wanna back up “what you heard” about slurring me, you coward?

      • HonestDebate1

        I think the unanimous verdict over the recess lawlessness was number 13.

    • OnPointComments

      President Obama, through his chief henchman Attorney General Eric Holder, has lost 20 UNANIMOUS Supreme Court cases during his presidency.

      • HonestDebate1

        Transforming America legally is hard.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Anyone approve of this tax loophole?

    Donation that funded Hillary’s $251K UConn speech was tax deductible.

    #TaxReform
    #Scam
    #TaxFreeMoneyLaundering

    http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/381897/tax-deductible-donation-enabled-hillary-clintons-uconn-speech-jim-geraghty

    • J__o__h__n

      And which party screams that closing loopholes is the same as a tax increase?

    • hennorama

      WftC — Yes, why not? It’s not really any different from other charitable deductions for contributions to colleges and universities.

  • HonestDebate1

    Hillary is imploding. She just got a couple of pinocchios for the Hobby Lobby comment. Her book is in the toilet while Ed Klien’s book soars. Her record at State was abysmal. Her health is a concern. She’s a horrible role model for women. She’s no Bill.

    Seriously liberals, if not her then who? Who do you like? Warren? Are there any centrists (y’all love centrists) out there you could support? Manchin? Who?

    • OnPointComments

      Personally, I’ve thought it’s more likely than not that Hillary won’t run, but she isn’t going to announce her decision until the latest possible moment because it might hurt her book sales and cut her speaking engagements.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Seems that publicity of Hilary Clinton’s (D- Goldman Sachs) speaking fees are taking a toll.

      • HonestDebate1

        I tend to agree.

    • J__o__h__n

      Warren

      • HonestDebate1

        Thanks. Interesting.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Have you seen her debate?

        I have. Against a lightweight like Scott Brown and it wasn’t pretty.

        • J__o__h__n

          She easily won. She was also great at the TARP hearings.

        • jefe68

          She kind of destroyed Brown.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Not in the debates. The term “deer in the headlights” comes to mind.

          • jefe68

            She was rough in the first one, she took him out in the last one. Mind you Brown lost it. You are right though, Brown is a lightweight.

        • HonestDebate1

          Man, I really am starting to like Ted Cruz but I am certain some commenters, perhaps John, would think I’m insane for considering him if he runs. I appreciate his weighing in. I do think the field is wide open on the left. If they are smart, they will nominate an anti-Obama instead of Obama lite.

          • J__o__h__n

            I hope someone from the crazy wing of the Republican party is nominated. I’d prefer someone who isn’t intelligent also so Cruz wouldn’t be my top pick. The party’s base got stuck with the more mainstream McCain and then couldn’t unite behind a single alternative to Romney and got stuck with him so they might be more unified this time. I think Warren would be the Democrats best bet. I’m not enthusiastic about Clinton. I’m about 200 pages into her book and it isn’t very interesting.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Ted Cruz is great. However, I’m always concerned with the lack of executive experience. Lincoln-esque leaders are rare.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Obama said it best (dripping with sarcasm):

      “Hillary is likeable…..’enough’”

      • jefe68

        Wow, stop the presses! Politics is a dirty game!

        • HonestDebate1

          The democrat debates in 2008 were a circular firing squad. People forget how nasty it got between the Clintons and Obamas.

          • jefe68

            Yeah, see above. At least they were having some semblance of a fight based on substance. The GOP debates were a clown show of epic proportions.

            “I will tell you: It’s three agencies of government, when I get there, that are gone: Commerce, Education and the — what’s the third one there? Let’s see. … OK. So Commerce, Education and the — … The third agency of government I would — I would do away with the Education, the … Commerce and — let’s see — I can’t. The third one, I can’t. Sorry. Oops.” –Rick Perry, experiencing an epic onstage meltdown during a GOP debate, forgetting about his plan to cut the Department of Energy, Nov. 9, 2011

          • J__o__h__n

            Actually the Republican debates in 2012 were. Obama and Clinton both came out of the debates with their reputations intact. How did Bachmann, Cain, Perry, santorum look after the debates?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Is Obama still qualified to get Bill’s coffee?

          • jimino

            Nothing will ever beat Newties takedown of Romney. Of course he had to stop being honest once the primary was over. Party solidarity is the essential to authoritarians.

          • HonestDebate1

            Newt was my choice.

          • jefe68

            Newt the nutter, that explains a lot.

    • jefe68

      So amusing. Lets see who the regressive right puts up.
      I suppose the “Donald” will be in there for comic relief.
      Cruz has as much chance of being elected to the White House as Goofy winning an Oscar.

      Then it will be a gaggle of right wingers all trying to be more extreme than the next one.

      The right wing clown show is in force today.

      • J__o__h__n

        I want Herman Cain again.

        • jefe68

          There will be some real goodies this time around. I expect Walker to try his hand. Of course he might get charged with some wrong doing. Speaking of bad press…
          I guess Christie is out.

          • HonestDebate1

            There was an OP show as soon as the first drop of Christie’ blood hit the water. You know how sharks are. Hillary, not so much,

          • jefe68

            What’s that sound? Why it’s the sound of right wing whining and hand wringing.

        • Ray in VT

          I think that he is currently occupied with his investments in Beki-beki-beki-bekistan.

        • HonestDebate1

          I like him. I don’t know about President but there is a place for him going forward.

          • jefe68

            Doing comedy.

          • HonestDebate1

            You must be a racist.

    • StilllHere

      Is Biden still thinking about it? 8 years of no record would certainly help.

      • TFRX

        I understand NPR doesn’t want child molesters like you on their boards.

        See, when I slur someone, I admit I’m making it up.

    • laurabien

      The pinocchios thing is from a half-baked and slanted website. Her book is #1 on the NYT Print Hardcover Best Sellers (Nonfiction) section of last Sunday’s book review. Her record at State is debatable. Her health was cast, falsely, as impaired–though she is old-ish, 66, compared to President Obama. She is a good role model in terms of a women who has held several influential and powerful offices. I agree she is no Bill. That said, although I am a woman I am unenthusiastic. She strikes me as conniving and corporate and less than truthful. Bill was less than truthful, too, but he is a deep well. A thinker. Flawed, like all of us, but likable. She isn’t likable to me, too remote and calculated.

      Though she apparently has no plans to, I’d like to see Elizabeth Warren throw in her hat.

      • HonestDebate1

        I appreciate your reply so I won’t argue with you. Thank you.

        • laurabien

          Sure. Warren is tough and self-possessed. Hillary does have some good moments when a no-nonsense leadership shines through, but those are few. When she was being lobbed rather softball questions by Terri Gross recently on “Fresh Air,” she took Terri to task and actually kind of lost her cool! If she can’t even handle an easy interview without showing her temper I don’t want her as my leader. Also, after having a fellow Gen Xer as president I really don’t want to return to another aging boomer. Just think that at nearly 70 she would be somewhat out of touch. FWIW.

          • JGC

            Laura: afraid Obama is not technically a Generation Xer. That definition is for folks born between 1965 and 1984ish. As much as it irks me and (no doubt) him, we are afterthoughts lumped in with the Boomers. With those aging boomers…

          • laurabien

            Ah, my mistake. Thank you for the correction, JGC.

    • nj_v2

      Ha ha! Look, it’s DisHonestMisDebatorGreggg, who likes every right-wing nut case from Flush Limpballs to Allen West stomping his feet demanding who “liberals” would support.

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzz…

      • HonestDebate1

        Demanding?! Who do you like? Are you going for the kook fringe again?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Gas prices highest in 6 years.

    Remember when that was news?

    • Ray in VT

      Like when it nearly doubled in a year and a half from early 2007 to mid 2008?

      • Arkuy The Great

        And then dropping by more than half by early 2009? BTW, prices today are double what they were in Jan ’09.

        • Ray in VT

          An economic collapse, where activity contracts and leaves a glut on the market will do that. Doubling in 18 months is still a lot more significant, in terms of a rate of increase, than doubling in 66 or so months.

          • Arkuy The Great

            A Federal Reserve, BOE and ECB flooding currency markets with lots of liquidity will run up commodity prices as well.

          • Ray in VT

            So will increased demand and limitations upon supply.

          • Arkuy The Great

            Indeed, a surplus of cash (I.E. demand) chasing a limited supply of assets depresses the value of the cash far more than it inflates the value of the asset. In fairness, the surplus of cash hitting the markets in mid 2008 had to do with the Federal Reserve actually doing its job. There was historical precedent for doing exactly this.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNfUscKPC5g

          • Ray in VT

            The big run up in 2007 and 2008, though, existed prior to the measures taken by the Fed to combat the recession by and large, and the OPEC countries have certainly shown that they are not interested in providing enough supply to drive the cost of a barrel of oil perhaps down into the 40s per barrel or something in that range.

          • Arkuy The Great

            Indeed. The era of OPEC being kept to heel is definitely over. Demand pickup in the BRIC countries and elsewhere over the past couple of decades means that the US no longer has the political leverage necessary. OPEC has alternative markets that were not nearly as robust in the past and can ignore our pleas safely. The only ways to beat them back is by A) producing more of our own oil and gas (Check!) and/or B) moving to alternatives (jury still out).

    • OnPointComments

      “Drivers are paying a heavy price for the Bush administration’s failure to enact a comprehensive energy strategy. Years of Bush Administration’s policies that have favored big oil over the consumers have resulted in record dependence on foreign oil, leaving American families and businesses to pay even higher prices. This Congress, under the Democratic leadership, is working to make up for years of inaction, taking America in a new direction that helps bring down the cost of gas and promotes energy independence. Energy independence is essential, essential to reducing the price at the pump.” –then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, May 2007

      Nancy was so fervent during this statement that she almost had an expression on her Botox-paralyzed face.

    • TFRX

      You really got a economics understanding problem.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    While Obama dithers on Keystone, Canada approves Enbridge pipeline to West Coast for export to China.

    • StilllHere

      Dithers, 6 years is more than dithering! But November will be here soon enough.

    • Arkuy The Great

      Meanwhile, XOM is tooling refineries in France with delayed coker units. This will enable them to process heavier crude like Alberta bitumen. They are preparing to take Energy East output once it starts flowing to the Atlantic.

      • StilllHere

        Belgium too, they’re spending $1 billion. That’s ok, we don’t need it. We’ve got Solyndra. Oh, wait….

        • Arkuy The Great

          To be fair, we have lots of ultra-light “tight oil” from hydraulic fracturing in the Lower 48. Back in ’08 when TRP first applied for a Keystone XL Presidential Permit none of that bounty was on the radar.

        • TFRX

          You still slurring me, you rightwing coward?

    • OnPointComments

      Instead of his incessant whining about Republicans in the House, I wish President Obama had said “Tell you what — bring an immigration bill up for a vote in the House, and I will make Harry Reid bring the Keystone Pipeline bill up for a vote in the Senate.”

    • Cutler Hamilton

      Great. Polluting the world is never byproduct of burning fossil fuels…..blah…blah….blah. Blow up the planet now why don’t we. Get it over with. We’ll end everybody’s suffering quickly that way. Before you come back and say “scientists don’t all agree on what causes climate change”, stick your mouth on a tailpipe or the exhaust end of a fossil fuel plant and then tell me how good it was for you. Thanks.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        You need to review a primer on human respiration and the function of CO2 in the process.

        • Cutler Hamilton

          Are you friggin’ kidding me?!?! Lesson in biology for today. Plants take in CO2 for food (along with sunlight) and expel oxygen along with other trace gases (which we breathe). We expel CO2. The problem is all the toxic fumes and deadly gases being flung into the atmosphere when we burn fossil fuels. Methane, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide, nitrous oxide, ozone build up to amounts that are actually causing increased temperatures over the long-term. Long-term being decades that if left unchecked will result in atmospheres similar to Venus and Mars. Planets not scorched by the sun but baked to a lifeless state by the heavy concentration of such greenhouse gases in their atmospheres. You need to review a primer on basic atmospheric processes, plant processes, and basic biology. Schooled.

      • OnPointComments

        Don’t place your faith in government and its decisions.

        “Ethanol may be causing elevated air pollution in Brazil, scientists report in a peer-reviewed study. The study may have public policy implications in the United States, where federal law requires the transportation fuel mix to contain approximately 10 percent ethanol.

        “Approximately 40 percent of automobiles in Sao Paolo run on either gasoline or government-subsidized ethanol. When the percentage of those flexible-fuel vehicles using solely gasoline rose from 14 percent to 76 percent, ozone pollution dropped by 20 percent, the researchers reported.

        “While it’s critical that we reduce our oil dependency, we certainly shouldn’t do it in a way that worsens air quality, water quality, and carbon pollution,” said Roland Hwang, director of the energy and transportation program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, in the Los Angeles Times.
        http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2014/07/02/study-links-ethanol-higher-air-pollution

        • J__o__h__n

          Ethanol is a scam.

          • OnPointComments

            I agree.

        • Arkuy The Great

          My advice…

        • Ray in VT

          Because the market and industry are going to figure this all out and make it all better for everyone, right?

          “But air-quality campaigners should not start advocating for petrol
          instead of ethanol quite yet. Increased petrol burning clearly raised
          levels of NOx, which also poses direct health concerns, and it probably
          boosted the amount of particulate matter in the air, something the study
          did not look at. And because every city has its own unique air
          chemistry, a similar fuel switch might produce very different results in
          London or Los Angeles. Nevertheless, says Salvo, the findings
          illustrate that “ethanol is not a panacea”.”

          http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ethanol-fuels-ozone-pollution/

          • Arkuy The Great

            “Because the market and industry are going to figure this all out and make it all better for everyone, right?”

            Well, it is hard to argue that government got this one figured out right. Even the SA article you cite tips its hat; “ethanol is not a panacea”. It is interesting how the loudest advocates for keeping the RFS are congresscritters from corn-growing states and the growers that support them. Environmentalists are of split minds on it. And refiners hate it. Valero, Phillips 66 and PBF Energy hare reported material impacts to their finances because of RIN requirements. If the RFS were benign I would expect them to be neutral or to put up some perfunctory resistance but otherwise come along muttering muted objection.

    • JGC

      British Columbia and various aboriginal nations are against it. No guarantees here for Harper.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Materials science is wicked ‘cool’.

    “Super-Slick Material Stops Ice from Forming”
    “Initial tests of actual freezer components showed that the material can reduce defrosting energy consumption by 40 percent”

    http://www.technologyreview.com/news/528701/super-slick-material-stops-ice-from-forming/

    • JGC

      That is so neat! I loved the part where Professor Aizenberg took her “inspiration from the pitcher plant”.

    • hennorama

      WftC — thanks for sharing.

      Soon, the Bering Sea crabbing crews on Deadliest Catch might no longer have to worry about tipping over from ice forming on their boats and gear.

      Plus, the other stuff in the article and video, of course.

  • OnPointComments
  • twenty_niner

    HOPE that the data are good AND CHANGE the data if they’re not.

    The good news with the latest jobs numbers is that all of the gains were in part-time jobs, freeing up time for more productive endeavors like snapchat and condom shopping if you work for Hobby Lobby.

    Full-time workers (month-over-month): -523,000
    Part-time workers (month-over-month): +799,000
    Net (because any job is a good job): +276,000

    Challenge to the mainstream cheerleaders media: actually report the complete picture with actual numbers instead of qualitative platitudes.

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t09.htm

    • hennorama

      twenty_niner — month-to-month changes in the Household Survey, which you cited, are rather volatile and have higher margins of error compared to the Establishment Survey.

      Still, using the data link your cited,

      Full-time workers (year-over-year): +2,117,000

      Part-time workers (year-over year) + 10,000

      No doubt you can do the arithmetic for the net figure.

      • twenty_niner

        The Establishment Survey doesn’t breakdown part-time vs. full-time.

        • tbphkm33

          Then again, none of this translates into a massive electoral swing toward the not-so-Grand-Old-Party. Reality is still that the Nopublican’s are becoming an increasingly irrelevant political party.

          • twenty_niner

            Granted, the electorate could go full retard at some point leaving us with even more money printing, massive borrowing, massive taxes, Cyprus-style wealth confiscation, wide open borders, full amnesty, and mandatory pot consumption.

            I’ll have to keep my options open and try to stay fleet of foot.

        • hennorama

          twenty_niner — TYFYR.

          That’s true, but the CES (the “Establishment Survey”) does report “Total Private Average Weekly Hours Worked All Employees.”

          The preliminary figure of 34.5 hrs./week for June 2014 is unchanged year-over-year, but is up from both the low back in June 2009 (33.8) and from Pres.Obama’s first days in office in Jan 2009 (34.1).

          Switching to the CPS (“Household Survey”), it considers 35 hours/week and over to be “full-time,” and less than 35 to be “part-time.”

          Based on the CES Average Weekly Hours Worked, the CPS would consider the Average Private Employee to be “part-time.”

          See:
          http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=CE_cesbref2

      • HonestDebate1

        “The number of Americans 16 and older who did not participate in the labor force climbed to a record high of 92,120,000 in June, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).”

        http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/record-number-americans-not-labor-force-june

    • jimino

      The explosion in part-time and implosion in full-time jobs was a result of the aftermath of the Great Recession. Yes, the recovery from the effect of the Great Recession has been terrible and there are differing opinions on the reasons for that. But to claim that Obama administration policies cause the explosion of part-time jobs is not accurate.

      • HonestDebate1

        No it wasn’t, it was Obama’s policies, Obamacare in particular. The minute he was elected businesses knew they would be taxed and regulated out the wazoo and began bracing for it. They were right… and then Obamacare slapped the economy upside the head. Part-time or cutting to under 50 employees were the ways out. This is what happens. Repeal Obamacare and the LFPR would plummet overnight.

        • jimino

          I’ll take the facts over your delusions.

          Your insistence, contrary to all evidence and informed opinion, that the house-of-cards economy that preceded the Great Recession, in which assets equivalent of half our annual GDP went up in smoke, should have been a “blip”, has no basis in reality.

          • tbphkm33

            not-so-”HonestDebate1″ starts his day with a giant dose of FOX Entertainment “News” propaganda. Reality, critical thinking, facts, etc. do not exist within his view of the world.

            Lenin and Stalin both dreamt of achieving brainwashing to the extent not-so-”HonestDebate1″ and his ilk are brainwashed. Drones of the oligarchy, working against their own best interest.

            When you see an old beat up car with at GOP bumper sticker on it, look close, it might well be not-so-”HonestDebate1.”

          • HonestDebate1

            Fox?!

          • HonestDebate1

            Okay, throw out blip. It should have been over in a few years or five.

        • ExcellentNews

          But of course! Also, as soon as we give an inheritance tax cut to Tag Romney and Paris Hilton, the money will TRICKLE DOWN into the economy. Every house will have five kitchen sinks with beer flowing from the taps too.

          Republican economic theory has become so insane as to rival communism in terms of being disconnected from reality.

      • twenty_niner

        The point is the Pollyanna main-stream press never mentions the quality (or lack thereof) and nature of the jobs being created.

        • hennorama

          twenty_niner — two questions:

          1. Is a job where an employee regularly works 35 hours or more per week a “quality” job, and one where an employee regularly works less than 35 hrs./wk. a “lack of quality” job?

          2. If the “Total Private Average Weekly Hours Worked All Employees” from the CES is exactly the same in June 2014 (34.5 hrs./wk. *p) as at the beginning of your chart above (Jan 2007 = 34.5), is that a problem?

          *p = preliminary

          Source:
          http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=CE_cesbref2

          • twenty_niner

            1) Likely. I’ve never heard of a part-time nuclear engineer. Usually, part time aligns with low-wage service labor. But, I guess that’s OK when you live with your parents.

            2) No, the trend lines are normalized at 2007. The chart shows the change in employment rates over time.

  • jefe68

    Saudi Arabia moves 30,000 troops to the Iraqi border.
    This is going to be a long hot summer.

    http://www.wbur.org/npr/328103668/saudi-arabia-reportedly-moves-30-000-troops-to-iraqi-border

  • ExcellentNews

    Well, I am not sure how well the Islamic Caliphate is doing, but thanks to the activist Supreme Court appointed by Bush, the CHRISTIAN CALIPHATE in the US is doing very well, thank you!
    As of now, the religious fundamentalist billionaires mpose their religious beliefs over their employees health and welfare, and
    Welcome to the Apparently, the religious beliefs of one fundamentalist mogul trump the law

    • tbphkm33

      I thought in the a direction – we should turn over Texas, Arizona, Mississippi, Alabama, parts of Georgia, Missouri and Utah to a new Christian Caliphate. Build a giant wall and let the stew in their own rot. They can go on holly campaigns against each other to figure out what flavor of Christianity is the most holy.

      • Arkuy The Great

        When it is all done the map may look something like this.

      • twenty_niner

        I’ll take a Christian Caliphate over an Islamic Caliphate any day. At least, I won’t wind up under a pile of rocks. Worst case, church gets a little weird with a dude dancing around with a snake, and I have to go buy my own condoms.

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/27/pregnant-pakistani-woman-stoned-to-death

        • ExcellentNews

          I think we should have neither a Christian nor an Islamic caliphate. A democracy with separation between church and state would do just fine for me…

          • twenty_niner

            “I think we should have neither a Christian nor an Islamic caliphate.”

            You’ve got number two there in Iraq, and they’d be happy to make more.

          • ExcellentNews

            I was speaking of the US. I could not care less about Iraq. In the true spirit of personal responsibility and freedom, Iraqis (and the whole of the Middle East) should be left to their own devices. Our taxpayer dollars should stay at home, invested in rebuilding the US and renewable energy sources.

          • HonestDebate1

            Cool, the Christians are game. Do us a favor, convince the Muslims.

        • tbphkm33

          Ha, you must not know your history – Christianity gave the western world a 500 year “Caliphate” in the Middle Ages. The bloodshed was even worse than what we are seeing today.

          • twenty_niner

            “Ha, you must not know your history”

            That’s the point. You read about witch burnings in history books. You can read about Islamic stonings in the newspaper.

          • HonestDebate1

            It’s 2014, just saying’…

          • ExcellentNews

            It’s 2014 and the clock is racing backward, thanks to the corporate big money purchasing fundamentalist Christian votes.

          • Arkuy The Great

            Actually, it was the secular-humanist “Caliphates” of the USSR and PRC that produced the highest body counts an the most misery for the survivors. How does 100 million dead in the 20th Century under those regimes stack up against the worst of the Dark and Middle Ages?

    • pete18

      You’re understanding of the law, freedom of religion, coercion and what happens under radical Islamic rule
      is sorely lacking.

      • ExcellentNews

        YOUR understanding of spelling is sorely lacking, Pete. Please learn how to write before you tackle more advanced subjects…

        • pete18

          Nice non-response.

          • ExcellentNews

            That’s better. Now for the response. There is NO difference between fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity – despite the high self-esteem that adherents of each hold themselves into.

            Islam today is exactly where Christianity was 600 years ago (minus few minor cultural variations). Sadly, they are not moving forward, and we are moving backward.

          • pete18

            “There is NO difference between fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity – ”

            Except for a few beheadings, of course. You r very naive about radical Islam and fundmental Christianity in the US.

          • ExcellentNews

            Fundamentalist religions are the same anywhere in the world. Please read a few history books instead of just checking the “Republican” box after your pastor in church has told you to do so…

          • twenty_niner

            More liberal-moral-equivalence bullsh&t. Post one example of a Christian honor stoning done this year, because there were plenty done in the name of Islam. And by the way, where are the liberal women on these atrocities?

          • ExcellentNews

            This year? None – Because rational humanists have held power in the West for the last three centuries. Because the “moral equivalence bullshit” of liberal enlightenment has trumped the absolute edicts of holy books.

            Posting gory pictures from the land of the Muslim Nuts does not exonerate our own Christian Taliban. Let our own fundamentalists stay in power for a generation or two, and we will have Europe of the Middle Ages – which was just as gory and righteous as your pictures.

          • twenty_niner

            “Christian Taliban.”

            Because they won’t buy your condoms? Your complete lack of logic, perspective, and paranoia is scarier than the Taliban. Again, you’re more outraged by historical events that happened hundreds of years ago than atrocities that are happening right now in the name of Islam.

            Here’s another one to ignore:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07R_Wvc2r1E

          • OnPointComments

            If you were forced to choose between being plopped down in a Presbyterian church in Peoria holding a Koran, or being plopped down in a mosque in Damascus holding a bible, which would you choose?

            There’s not a Christian Taliban, but there is an American Taliban, and it’s comprised of intolerant liberals.

          • twenty_niner

            “but there is an American Taliban, and it’s comprised of intolerant liberals.”

            Exactly. I’m more worried about a liberal Caliphate with endless political correctness, pandering, wide-open borders, central planning, money printing, where faith is explicitly relegated to bureaucrats and the politburo.

          • ExcellentNews

            A liberal caliphate? LOL… Somewhat a contradiction in terms. By definition, liberalism is opposed to any form of absolute rule. Liberalism is pretty much about representative democracy, and about reliance on reason and fact to make decisions (which is why Thomas Jefferson pointed out that education is key to freedom).

            So let me take your fears one by one. Political correctness? I plead guilty. It’s a stupid thing to try to force someone to change their heart by regulating what’s kosher for them to say. It’s kind of like trying to improve American morality by putting the Bible back into our Government…

            Wide open borders? By all means – people should be free. Let the best and brightest come here and do what they did in the 20th century. Let the hungry and desperate come here and become Americans. It’s a much better deal than having Chinese Communist slave labor do the same while our dollars fly across the ocean.

            Central planning, politburo – you are confusing liberals with communists. I am sad to tell you that the American right of 2014 has more in common with Communism than us darned liberals.

            This being said, a certain amount of central planning – called economic policy – is essential for the welfare of any nation. USA being Exhibit #1 for that. Of course, you need intelligent and educated people to do it, which automatically excludes post-Tom DeLay republicans. Sorry…

            Money printing – as of 2014, 60 cents of every inflated dollar today were printed by the “right”. After all, how else can we afford to keep King Abdullah, our CEOs, and our Wall Street wonders flush with cash ???

          • twenty_niner

            “Money printing – as of 2014, 60 cents of every inflated dollar today were printed by the “right”.”

            Wrong. The overwhelming mass of money printing has occurred under Obama.

            Fed balance sheet 2008: $800 billion
            Fed balance sheet 2014: >$4,000 billion
            % Increase under Obama: 400%

          • ExcellentNews

            You need to read the chart and understand what it shows before you quote it. This is simply a breakdown of the assets held by the FRB. If anything should make you SEE RED, it is the yellow area. These are the junk derivatives that George W Bush made YOU buy from Wall Street so that bank executives can keep jetting to the Cayman Islands.

            A much better indicator of the sorry state of America is the debt owed by the US government (that’s YOU). Obama inherited a 10 TRILLION deficit. Today it stands at 16 TRILLION. About 60% of it comes from spending bills or actions voted by Republicans. Since much of the gutting of the US economy happened thanks to Republican policies of “deregulation” and “free trade”, I personally think the Republicans are responsible for much more than 60% of it.

            Incidentally, 16 trillion is the estimated wealth held by private estates in offshore accounts. Coincidence???

          • twenty_niner

            You’re clearly not the sharpest crayon in the yellow box, so try not to blow off your fingers today; maybe just go somewhere and watch the fireworks at a safe distance.

            The growth in the Fed’s balance sheet is equivalent to the amount of money they’ve printed. The yellow area has nothing to do with derivatives. It represents MBS purchases from the GSEs.

            The current US debt is $17.5 Trillion, so by the time Obama will have left office, he will have doubled the national debt.

            “spending bills voted by Republicans”

            You are just looney tunes. Republicans have been trying to reduce Federal spending in stark opposition to the Democrats, which is why there’s a showcase showdown with every breach of the debt ceiling, and why there was a sequester last year that liberals were apoplectic about.

          • ExcellentNews

            If I remember correctly my finance course from H.B.S. (Harvard Business School) of 20+ years ago, MBS ARE derivatives. The sharp increase in MBS held by the feds since 2009 shown in the chart is the actual mechanics of how we bailed out the banks when the predatory lending orgy came to a halt. It is the implementation of TARP – a piece of Republican corporate welfare, aimed to patch a problem created by Republican-driven deregulation of banking.

            You are however correct to point out the current debt is $17.5 trillion. Somehow, the 2012 figures are stuck in my mind. Maybe it’s because I cannot get over the “doublethink” of Romney and the Republican party line.

            Republicans trying to reduce federal spending??? That reminds me of the old Soviet propaganda of the Party spreading “peace and liberty”. The Republican economic policy is to redistribute wealth up, from those who work and produce it, to those who do not. Yes, Obama would have doubled the debt by the time he leaves office. After all, he is trying to keep going an economy gutted by 20 years of Republican deregulation, offshoring, and disinvestment in science and infrastructure.

            I AM well-informed and sharp enough to see things for what they are, despite the propaganda pushed by the corporate media.

            Upon this, I need to withdraw and prepare to celebrate the Fourth of July (by burning the flag and reading some verses of the Koran, of course…)

          • ExcellentNews

            The only reason why choice (1) is better than choice (2) is because we happen to live in a country that is founded upon the humanistic, secular traditions of the Enlightenment. It has nothing to do with “which religion”.

            Christian fundamentalists do not admit of being intolerant – just like radical Muslims do not admit being intolerant either. They are just right, and they know it without a shadow of a doubt …:)

            As a liberal, I however have no problem admitting being intolerant. I am intolerant of the irrational medieval mindset that has re-awaken in our country, and that is fueled by deep corporate pockets for reasons that have nothing to do with faith and everything to do with mis-begotten wealth.

          • pete18

            “The only reason why choice (1) is better than choice (2) is because we happen to live in a country that is founded upon the humanistic, secular traditions of the Enlightenment. It has nothing to do with “which religion”.

            Oh, so there is actually a difference between Fundamentalist Islamists and Fundamentalist Christians living in the US?

            So when will you be apologizing for your absurd comparison?

          • ExcellentNews

            There is certainly a difference between today’s theocracies of the Middle East (states based on fundamentalist religion) and today’s America and EU (which rest on the founding ideals of rational humanism – Hobby Lobby notwithstanding).

            There is NO difference between religious fundamentalists. There is NO difference between the states they eventually create if they manage to get to power.

            If these statements hurt your feelings, I am certainly willing to apologize for that. Sorry. But their essential truth remains, and can be easily appreciated in the light of learning more about history.

          • pete18

            Your ability to vilify and misunderstand fundamentalist Christians in the US doesn’t hurt my feelings, but it is a sad and dangerous use of your brain. Although there’s plenty to dislike and criticize the US fundamentalists about, they believe in the Constitution and they don’t believe in, or desire, a theocracy. This isn’t because they have been restrained by rational humanism, it is because they don’t find an inconsistency with devout religious beliefs and a Constitutional government. Neither did the founding fathers. Fundamentalist Islamists do find those two things to be incongruous.

            If you do not recognize the significance of that distinction, then you aren’t paying attention when flipping through your superior stack of history books. You are also sinking your venomous fangs in the wrong neck. The real contemporary threat to democracy and human rights is in the middle east, not the deep south.

          • ExcellentNews

            Since we are both FOR freedom and human rights, you should refrain from using terms such as my “venomous fangs”. If it’s my viewpoint you disagree with, you should criticize it and provide evidence. Calling me names does not do anything to justify your beliefs – or to me.

            Certainly what you say about fundamentalist islamists is true. They are exhibit #1 in the case against fundamentalism and for separation of church and state.

            My “stack of history books” is not superior, but is fairly tall. As a scientist, I don’t hold history in particularly high esteem – however, it’s the best source of data we have, and there is a lot to be learned from it about how human societies evolve over time.

            One lesson in particular is this – while Western Democracy has no problem with fundamentalist religion, the latter does have a problem with Western Democracy. By definition, a fundamentalist considers his worldview to be right and absolute. Those who differ are lost souls at best (or enemies at worst – with venomous fangs :). On the other hand, Western Democracy is based on humanistic principles – (a) man first, (b) men hold many different views, and not one amongst them is supreme. That IS the basis of our Constitution, and what the Founding Fathers believed most of the time.

            In that light, the biggest threat to our rights is not the Middle East. Left to their own devices, they will fight each other for another thousand years – or maybe have their own enlightenment and transition to democracy. We cannot force them to do the latter – all we can do FOR them is keep our own house in order so that they can see our way is better. That’s how we defeated Communism, after all.

            I am not sure what’s the biggest threat to our rights. IMHO, the export of 20,000,000 high-wage US jobs, and the predatory financial system are #1. There is no such thing as a poor free country.

            Are our own religious fundamentalist a threat to human rights and American principles? Who brought us George Bush? Four million evangelical Christians went out and voted against reason – because they were told to do so in church and on TV. Same thing in 2008, 2012 and 2014.

            Have you paused for a moment to consider what is the real platform of the right and how it makes a mockery of the Gospels? Have you listened to the after-church banter (like I’ve had to do in Texas) about exterminating Arabs, or locking them up or kicking them out? About doing the same to the libtards?

            Usually, the biggest danger is the one that’s closest – and it does not get any closer than what’s in our own country and minds.

          • jefe68

            Oh the inanity. It’s funny how one who has exhibited nothing but intolerance for others can turn around and make such a vacuous comment.

          • jefe68

            The last execution of the Inquisition was finally carried out in Spain on July 26, 1826. This was the execution of the school teacher, Cayetano Ripoll, for the teaching of Deism in his school. In Spain the practices of the Inquisition were finally outlawed in 1834.

            Oh and then there’s this:
            Pastor Rick Warren Wants Obama to Let Religious Groups with Federal Contracts Discriminate Against LGBT Americans

            http://richarddawkins.net/2014/07/pastor-rick-warren-wants-obama-to-let-religious-groups-with-federal-contracts-discriminate-against-lgbt-americans/

          • pete18

            No, they are not. If you can’t ferret out the substantial distinctions then the reading deficiency, as well as the partisan caricatured assumptions, seem to be in your court.

          • hennorama

            pete18 — Hey! That’s my line! ;-)

          • pete18

            I am shocked that there is gambling going on in this casino.

    • OnPointComments

      The “activist Supreme Court appoint by Bush” is the same court that affirmed Obamacare in the first place. Now this same Supreme Court says the LAW cannot force citizens to act against their religious beliefs.

      Imagine that you are a fervent, zealous atheist, and that you are the 100% owner of a corporation. Further imagine that the government decides that Catholic Social Services provides an important service to the underprivileged, and mandates that your corporation make a payment to Catholic Social Services to subsidize its services to the poor. Would you feel that your rights had been infringed?

      • ExcellentNews

        The healthcare law does not force citizens to act against their religious beliefs. Nothing in the law is forcing a catholic individual to have an abortion or take birth control against their individual belief. The law is mandating corporations to provide equal and standard benefits to employees. These employees should decide how to use the benefits based on their interest or beliefs. I hope you can see the difference between what the law actually does, and what you think it does.

        The court decision effectively forces down the religious opinions of the owners down the throat of their employees. Which is exactly what the Christian Right wants to achieve politically – gut the separation between (their) church and the state.

        The analogy you propose is actually a good example. I happen to be an agnostic and also a 100% owner. A government mandate forcing me to give money to a religious organization IS a violation of the first amendment. A government mandate to meet a certain standard is simply regulation of commerce. I may not like it (for all I know, Obamacare mandates coverage of homeopathic medicine and similar crap) but that’s hardly a reason to claim that my freedom has been infringed.

  • fred flintstone

    Russia – has sent fighter planes to Iraq. Iran – has sent fighter planes to Iraq. Iraqi’s don’t fly fighter planes. So. That means there are at minimum, Russian pilots, Iranian pilots, and American special forces in Iraq trying to prop the same puppet government. The increase in US forces does not bode well. If anyone thinks this is going to be a clean simple involvement, they are sadly mistaken.

    Also – just saw that below comment about the Saudi Troops. If and when the Saudi’s get involved every Jihadi in the world will empty out Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Philippines, Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia and arrive in short order in Iraq as the notion of storming into the “holy land” with a new “Caliphate” and throwing out the hated Al Saud’s will be a prize that’s waaay too juicy to resist. If this happens, seriously, the 7 years of war that we had in Iraq will look like a cakewalk.

    If there is any way the US Government could wake up and stay the heck out of this I’d beg them to do so. There will be absolutely no benefit to being involved in this mess.

    • ExcellentNews

      Fred – keep your mouth shut, return to your work station, and keep paying your TAXES. Your money is needed to keep up the gambling and whoring habits of 927 Saudi Princes, and pad the offshore accounts of unknown number of cronies, contractors and despots.

      • fred flintstone

        Lol, I know I know. Forgive me. The only reason I can’t resist commenting is because I am an Iraq War veteran and can’t stand the idea of more personnel wasting their time and God forbid lives there. As for the revolution? Unless the cable goes out, that will not be forthcoming.

    • Fredlinskip

      Suspect it likely that this Sunni “caliphate” is not going to get a lot of peace- We’ll drone ‘em, Maliki and friends will attack, Assad will barrell bomb ‘em and Allah only knows who else- the Saudis, you say?

      Sort of a shame- let’ em have their state. The more they are attacked the more radicalized they will become. Leave them alone and the Sunnis may “awaken” enough to get rid of ISIL on their own.

      Maybe if we can get Israel and Palistinians to hold hands and dance in the streets- we can show that it’s not impossible for Sunnis and Shia to get along-

      But… I guess that’s not going to happen.

    • HonestDebate1

      And don’t forget Syria. Evidently there is a debate with the administration over wether to let Assad skate for a while so he can fight ISIS. So Syria is an ally, terrific. The thing is if we check out the void will be filled.

  • Ashley Yoshida

    I wish Obama hadn’t said the thing about crack in the pies. Everything is so strained, so tenuous, so loaded right now. He has got to be flawless. That comment made me wince. There is just too much on the line globally. It made it sound like he was on crack or doing crack in the Lincoln bedroom at night. And I am a supporter.

    • hennorama

      Ashley Yoshida — yeah, I hear ya, but the President can’t even make a joke without being criticized these days.

      Not that that’s anything new, of course.

      • Ashley Yoshida

        I hear you too.
        But being the President of the United states is no joking matter. He needs to keep those jokes private. Especially jokes about crack. As a Washingtonian, it smacked of Marion Barry and all of the stereotypes about black men in power.
        Crack is a stereotypically black inner city drug. It has devastated mostly black communities.
        Seriously, could he have picked a worse ingredient?

        “Do hoes come with that pie?”

        • hennorama

          Ashley Yoshida — thank you for your response.

          Your points are well-expressed and well-taken.

          Perhaps, given President Obama’s well-known actual proclivity, he might better have said, “We call Bill the “Crustmaster’, because his pies, I don’t know what he does, whether he puts [nicotine] in them …,” instead.

          But as far as cracks about crack go, this seems much ado about nothing, and certainly is in no way comparable to former D.C. Mayor Barry, who a judge said was “a compulsive user of cocaine.”

          Unless you wish to label President Obama as “a compulsive eater of pie,” of course.

          Thanks again for your response.

          • JGC

            This incident brings to mind a satirical opinion piece by Colson Whitehead, “Visible Man”, from the NYT before Obama was first elected. Expectations so high and narrow for how Obama was permitted to conduct himself, such surprise and scorn for how he did comport, and extra helpings of scorn for the few times he has strayed from the narrative that folks have projected on him.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/opinion/24whitehead.html

          • Ashley Yoshida

            What if he just said something sincere and left out any mention of any addictive substances?
            As for the comments about crack being much ado about nothing. I strenuously disagree. Unfortunately, I have too much work to do this morning to get into it.
            Thanks for the interesting conversation, and please understand that I love Obama, and do not think he is in any way like Marion Barry.

          • hennorama

            Ashley Yoshida — Thank you as well, and Happy Fourth!

    • twenty_niner

      “He has got to be flawless.”

      Agree. I think he should stay low and keep focusing on breaking Ike’s record of 800 rounds of golf while in office.

      • JGC

        Well you can relax, twenty_niner, President Obama is not anywhere near close to breaking Ike’s record. And I don’t even begrudge Ike’s 800 rounds you quote. What sort of daily exercise is sanctioned by you, for a citizen? Clearing brush on the Bundy ranch?

    • HonestDebate1

      That really isn’t a big deal.

      He doesn’t need to be flawless but not being a total fu@kup would help.

    • Fredlinskip

      Kind of agree with you there, Ashley.
      Honestly, I find it amazing honestly that he doesn’t screw up more given how spontaneous his dialog is, and how often he grants interviews and speeches.

      In contrast, W would hold up in oval office for months at a time and then come out and say things like:

      “I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions- I can’t answer your question.”
      “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”-
      “You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.”
      “Make the pie higher, make the pie higher”

      The one thing I have a hard time figuring out is why Obama would allow ACA be labeled “Obamacare”. He could have nipped that in the bud early

      If almost half the electorate didn’t vote for you, why would you do that? How ignorant is that, when you know there are those that aren’t going to support the program simply because of name association?
      It certainly makes it difficult for GOP congressmen from offering smidgen of support.

      I might think long and hard before signing up for “Bushcare”.

      (Hey and don’t worry about that Honest Debate, he’s on here 24/7 like a skipping record- and tends to attempt to drive away ANY newcomer who might venture a positive word about Dems or Obama. He’s like a combination of Fox “News” and a bad dream- you can’t turn him off. We tolerate it best we can and humor him now and then)
      Keep the faith.

      • Ashley Yoshida

        Thanks. I’ll try. Thanks for reminding me about all of the ridiculous things Dubya’ said.
        It’s just as the first black president and as someone who stands for so many good things, he has a responsibility to watch what he says.
        He’s not a comedian. He’s not a movie star. He’s the president of the United States. That off the cuff stuff is playing with fire.
        I think Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Ghandi understood that. Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa.
        When people are hanging on every word you say, don’t say “I don’t know if he puts crack in those pies or what.”

        • Ashley Yoshida

          I would have a hard time signing up for “Bushcare” too.

        • Fredlinskip

          Very good point.

          Hopefully he makes up for his slip-ups SOMEWHAT when he says things like,
          “Middle-class families can’t wait for Republicans in Congress to do stuff- so sue me.”

          Later

          • Ashley Yoshida

            I agree.

            Note that “Middle-class families can’t wait for Republicans in Congress to do stuff- so sue me.” was an intelligent, well thought out statement worthy of his presidency, as the other was not. Let’s hope he sticks to the latter from now on.

      • hennorama

        Fredlinskip — that President Bush II sure talked real good.

        “My son, George, has been a bad, bad boy! Right, George?”

        –Barbara Bush

        Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/barbara_bush.html#YWc0Wzkl8HwguyMz.99

    • laurabien

      He does seem strained, as with the exasperated “sue me” comment. This is just a wild guess but I am guessing that it’s the uproar over the Hobby Lobby decision–I doubt he approves of that, sees it as a huge backwards step, and as the dad of two daughters does not want random gewgaw merchants to dictate social policy and health care to his daughters and their generational cohort when they are older. I’m sure Michelle was not happy with it either. Just my two cents.

    • TFRX

      However, as a fellow supporter, I can’t but notice we live in an American where only Democratic presidents preside over times where things are “so strained, so tenuous, so loaded” right now.

      And I’m not quoting you to quote you, but to point out how this background noise has totally dominated the media’s storytelling of Obama’s presidency.

      For example, how many times do federal agents have to cede their lawfull carrying out of laws, to back down from angry white mobs? It happened when Clinton was in the White House, then went away, and now it’s happening again.

      Don’t hold your breath for anyone in our press corps to make the connection

      • Ashley Yoshida

        Obama took over during the worst financial crisis since the great depression. The Middle East is in complete chaos, China is becoming increasingly aggressive toward it’s neighbors, there’s a war brewing in Crimea, global climate change and environmental disasters are everyday worries, the tech revolution is gutting the middle class workforce, Mexico who we share an enormous border with has been taken over by drug lords who are supplying drugs for America’s incredible epidemic of addiction, including food addiction, our jails are overflowing, our infrastructure is decaying…Obama is trying to get some very important things done in a world that needs those things done. He also has a legacy to think of. He needs to be careful about what he says.

  • OnPointComments

    Some people believe that life begins at the moment of conception when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Both Plan B and Ella can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus by altering its lining.

    Neither you nor the AMA get to decide for everyone when life begins.

  • Guest

    Record Number of Women Not Participating in the Labor Force in June

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/record-number-women-not-participating-labor-force-june

  • Guest

    Record Number of Americans Not in Labor Force in June

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/record-number-americans-not-labor-force-june

    Thanks Obamanomics.

    • anamaria23

      No, it is thanks, Boehner the narcissist , a weak and cowardly, not too bright excuse for a Speaker who is collecting a paycheck for doing NOTHING at the behest of the hate filled Tea Party who work against the government and the country. Whatever Fox news tells them.
      No Jobs Bill, repeal the ACA, forget Immigration reform, deny climate change , stall wage hike. Probably defund the HIghway Trust Fund and let the infrastructure rot.
      And when the POTUS trys to hold the country together with no co-operation and actual obstruction out of mere contempt, the “Speaker” is going to sue! How pathological is that!!!!

      • Arkuy The Great

        Why is any of that a problem? Doesn’t the president have a pen and a phone? Can he not act without Congressional approval? Or was that declaration merely a put-on?

        • anamaria23

          Isn’t that why The President is being sued? His use of pen and phone? EO can never match the effect of full legislation. They are halfway measures.
          Why should any President have to run the country by EO just to fulfill the good old boys vow to destroy his Presidency, even at the expense of the nation?

          • Arkuy The Great

            Dunno. Why does the President feel the need to act without Congress? And spare me that Congress is being mean and not letting him act unencumbered. All of his predecessors in living memory were able to work out compromises with opposition-controlled Congresses to get at least part of their agendas passed. Why is Obama any different that he simply cannot do so?

          • pete18

            Constitution, smonstitution.

          • anamaria23

            There is an answer in there somewhere.
            Remember Inaugeration Eve 2009? The GOP elites’ vow to give “unyielding opposition to any Obama administration fiscal policy” ? Remember McConnell’s PRIMARY objective to make sure the Obama Presidency’s failure, while 20% of his constituents live below the poverty line? Remember the right wing media calling each other “comrade” the day after the election? Remember Fox stirring up “the base” with misinformation like “death Panels”.
            This is a small sample of why Obama is different.

          • Arkuy The Great

            Oh, you mean that Clinton did not have a sizable Republican contingency dedicated to his destruction (impeachment hearings anyone)? GW Bush did not have a sizable contingency among Democrats dedicated to harassing him constantly? Sorry to burst your bubble but Obama is hardly unique in the pantheon of presidents in this regard.

          • John Cedar

            Is he unique, in that his own party had control of both houses when he was sworn in? Or that the American voters took that power away from him after watching two years of his bumbling incompetent stimulus and healthcare? While he squandered the two year opportunity to pass anything he allegedly is in favor of. Like higher tax rates for the rich, gay wedding cake edicts, ekwul pay for womyn, credit card reform, illegal immigrant amnesty reform, or whatever else the democrats pretend they are in favor of.His signature dismal legislation was only possible because of the cooperation of republican Olympia Snowe.

          • anamaria23

            There was no formed Tea Party in control of the House of Reps in Clinton’s terms.
            There was no Grover Norquist movement,
            There was no Citizen’s United. The NRA had not bought off the Congress yet by it’s rating system. White Supremist groups had not doubled. Right wing talk radio had not controlled 90% of talk media.
            Lots has changed since Clinton years.

          • Arkuy The Great

            History did not start in 2010. Do you recall the Contract With America that figured very prominently in the 1994 mid-term elections? It contained many of the same planks and provisions that the Tea Party calls for today. Norquist is hardly a “movement”, more an army of one. There was no McCain-Feingold law regulating campaign finances either. And you obviously do not recall Tim McVeigh and the OKC bombing.

            Nothing has changed except the names of the characters. QED

          • Arkuy The Great

            Oh, and Rush Limbaugh has been a successful right-field infotainer on AM talk radio since 1988. There are those in the broadcast industry who say that he single-handedly saved the AM spectrum from being shut off by the FCC. And he was a thorn in Bill and Hillary Clinton’s side throughout the Clinton Adminstration. Disclosure: I am hardly a fan of his and find him more annoying than anything else. But to each his own…

      • JONBOSTON

        Just about everything you outline would do this country more harm than good. And if you think Boenher is a “not too bright” , what do you think of Nancy Pelosi. I happen to believe she’s the biggest moron in Washington DC. I’ve never heard anything from mouth that remotely sounded intelligent. And then there’s Harry Reid–living proof that you can be a sub-human form of excrement and make it to Dem. Senate majority leader. Do you ever wonder why he prevents practically everything from being voted on in the Senate?

        • anamaria23

          There you go “a subhuman form of excrement” , almost up there with Ted Nugent.
          You may not like what Nancy Pelosi did, but she did her job and managed her House and didn’t collect a paycheck for doing nothing.

        • jefe68

          Nice job of proving to the public at large that you’re a bottom feeder.

        • StilllHere

          Very good points.

    • hennorama

      “Guest,” AKA [X Y & Z], FKA [Jay], FKA [(Un)InformedAmerican], et al — as always, over 90 percent of those “Persons not in the labor force” are not in the labor force because they “Do not want a job now.”

      This is their free choice.

      Thanks, Freedom.

      USA! USA! USA!

      • HonestDebate1

        The freedom to force your fellow man to pick up your tab. Terrific.

    • StilllHere

      Careful, the Obamapologists aren’t going to like this.

  • nj_v2

    Happy birthday, ‘Merika!

    Gun-nutter digest, a recent history:

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/timeline-of-irresponsible-gun-ownership-07022014

    TIMELINE: A YEAR AND A HALF OF IRRESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS

    Eighteen months of idiots and deadly power working in tandem.

    By Michael Howard on July 3, 2014

    Charles P. Pierce does an excellent job of documenting absurd gun violence across the country with his recurring post, “Today in Responsible Gun Ownership.” His many examples hardly show the tip the iceberg that is gun violence across the United States. In most instances, these trigger-happy absurdities across our land best serve as bloody highlighters circling the ineptitudes in our laws.

    What good is a restraining order if the stalker can still own an arsenal?

    Why do some states still allow pistols in bars?

    Blind people can own guns?

    Should women be forbidden to wear low-cut blouses to firing ranges?

    Thanks to Pierce’s research, here’s an 18-month look back at irresponsible gun lovers.

    June 16, 2014

    An ambiguously drunk man, “kind of bumping into some stuff,” is detained after carrying a “large semi-automatic rifle” along the streets of a Michigan neighborhood. Cops return the rifle the next day after determining that he didn’t “brandish” the weapon but merely held it openly, which is legal in Kalamazoo. Semantics: super important when drunkards carry loaded weapons.

    June 4, 2014

    Georgia’s new law permits guns in any building that doesn’t have a security screening. Entertainers now contemplate canceling performances at Macon Centreplex and Macon City Auditorium, since the locations are now massive tragedies waiting to happen.…

    (snipped)

    • twenty_niner

      Yes, freedom can be messy, and OCD control-freak liberals definitely don’t like messes. Not to worry, in the future, we will all be nice and safe:

    • OnPointComments

      From a poll on the MSNBC website:
      DO YOU THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CARRY GUNS IN PUBLIC?
      88% YES! The Second Amendment guarantees it. (73,000 votes)
      8% No, it’s too dangerous (6,758 votes)
      4% Only for self defense (3,441 votes)
      http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-think-people-should-be-allowed-carry-guns-public

      • jefe68

        That does not mean we should follow through with such madness. More people have died from guns in this country since 1968, the year Robert Kennedy was assassinated, then all the wars the US has been in.

        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/mark-shields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/

      • hennorama

        OPC — that is a completely unscientific poll, in which anyone can vote.

        Multiple “open carry” websites have also stringly encouraged people to vote in the poll, skewing the results.

        In other words, the poll is 100% meaningless.

        Well done, truly.

      • StilllHere

        And this from MSNBC which is the lair of leftwing nutjobs.

  • Guest

    Census Bureau: 77.4M Americans Live in Highly Concentrated Pockets of Poverty

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/zoey-dimauro/census-bureau-774m-americans-live-highly-concentrated-pockets-poverty

    Thanks to Obama and the Democratic party for turning America into a third world police state.

  • OnPointComments

    From the website Govtrack.us:

    113th Congress: 2013-2015
    • 297 bills passed in the House of Representatives
    • 59 bills passed in the Senate

    112th Congress: 2011-2013
    • 301 bills passed in the House of Representatives
    • 82 bills passed in the Senate

    And President Obama thinks it’s the Republican-controlled House that is doing nothing, not the Democrat-controlled Senate.
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse#current_status=5

    • jefe68

      Sorry to rain on your silly parade, but the stats beg to differ.
      You ought to stop cherry picking to make bogus arguments, it’s not very smart.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/10/president-obama-said-the-113th-congress-is-the-least-productive-ever-is-he-right/

      • OnPointComments

        Let’s see, I can go with data from (a) an independent, nonpartisan website, or (b) a liberal columnist writing in a liberal newspaper who first provides data on only the subset of “laws” passed, and then moves on to “bills” passed per Rachel Maddow’s blog.

        I choose (a).

        • jefe68

          Gee, it seems Govtrack is agreement with the Post in terms of the 113th Congress.
          Again the info is there, it’s all how you skew it. President Obama is correct, the GOP run house is the worst in recent history. You can’t change reality.

          As the 2013 session of the 113th Congress comes to a close, everyone wants to know just how bad was it? Pretty bad indeed. With 72 new laws enacted in this session, it is the lowest in any first year of a Congress at least since 1973, which is the first year we have the data to check.

          https://www.govtrack.us/blog/2013/12/18/closing-out-2013-with-policy-unfinished/

    • Fredlinskip

      It might be a relevant question as to the specifics of the bills in question.
      Some bills are passed that everyone knows have zero chance of passing Senate and are done completely for political gamesmanship.
      Any bills that pass by simple majority, as in, zero support from House Dems are passed on.
      Virtually all bills in House are brought to the floor only AFTER they have garnered support from majority of Republicans (Hastert Rule).
      That said, you are likely right some bills should be brought to the floor in Senate,

      HEY, when is the House going to put together a bill concerning meaningful immigration reform? I guess the status quo with immigration policy is “all good”?
      OH yeah they don’t want to do anything until after elections. And then they’ll find another excuse then.

    • StilllHere

      Frankly, this Congress has done too much. We don’t need a lot more legislation. They should shrink the time Congress is in session, imagine how many more rounds Barry could get in if that were the case.

  • hennorama

    For those interested in U.S. residents who are and aren’t working, and where they live, some information:

    As of May 2014, the 10 states with the lowest percent of the Civilian Noninstitutional Labor Force who were Employed were:

    West Virginia …..50.8
    Mississippi ………51.5
    Alabama …………52.8
    Arkansas ………..53.8
    New Mexico ……..54.5
    South Carolina …54.8
    Arizona ……………55.2
    Kentucky …………55.7
    Michigan ……….. .56.0
    Louisiana …………56.5

    Switching to Labor Force Participation Rates (LFPRs):

    By Census Region, the South comes in last, at 62.0.

    By Census Division, the “East South Central” Division brings down the rear, at 58.5. (The East South Central Census Division is comprised of Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Tennessee.)

    10 States with the lowest LFPRs, as of May 2014 were:

    West Virginia …..54.2
    Mississippi ………55.8
    Alabama …………56.7
    Arkansas ………..57.5
    South Carolina ..57.9
    New Mexico …….58.3
    Arizona …………..59.2
    Louisiana ……….59.4
    Tennessee ……..59.7
    Kentucky ………..60.3

    Not unexpectedly, nine States are on both lists, with Michigan falling off the LFPR list, and Tennessee joining it.

    For what it’s worth, 7 of 10 States on each list have Republican governors.

    Sources:
    http://www.bls.gov/lau/ststdsadata.txt
    http://www.bls.gov/lau/lalfprderr.xlsx (File Format: Microsoft Excel)

  • twenty_niner

    Happy 4th,

    Jefferson was 33 when he wrote the Declaration of Independence. I wonder how many 33-year-olds today can actually read it?

    http://www.npr.org/2014/07/04/328204572/reading-the-declaration-of-independence-a-tradition-continues

    Time to go eat some politically-incorrect food.

    • Pleiades

      The individuals you cite might be able to read the Declaration of Independence, but it undestanding Declaration of Independence is a totally different thing.

  • OnPointComments

    Do you find it odd, or at least interesting, that those who are most distressed by the Supreme Court Hobby Lobby ruling don’t work for Hobby Lobby? I’ve tried to find an account of any Hobby Lobby employee who felt oppressed because their health plan didn’t or won’t include 4 of the 20 FDA-approved contraceptives, and I can’t find a single one. Not one. Surely there are former and current employees who have had to live with this horrible transgression committed by Hobby Lobby, but if there is, they are silent.

    The hysterical hyperbole has been amusing:

    “I think there should be a real outcry about this kind of decision. And there will be many more now. Look, I mean, many more companies will claim religious belief and some will be sincere and others maybe not…So does that mean if you’re in need of a blood transfusion your insurance policy doesn’t have to cover it? This is a really bad slippery slope.” –Hillary Clinton

    A simple question: If there are “many more” companies wanting to impose severe health restriction on their workers, why didn’t those companies impose the severe restrictions before the Obamacare mandate took effect in 2012? Can Ms. Clinton cite any? Were there any companies, any at all, that excluded transfusions from their health plans pre-2012?

    “Before the Affordable Care Act, employers were free to drop blood transfusions or any other medical procedures from policies they provided (as long as the state didn’t mandate coverage). In 40 years working in the employee benefit business, Laszewski [Robert Laszewski, president of the health consulting firm Health Policy and Strategy Associates] said he has ‘never heard of an employer who ever did anything like not cover vaccines or blood transfusions.’”
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/jul/02/could-supreme-court-contraceptive-ruling-affect-co/

  • jefe68

    July 4th Note to Tea Partiers: Your Politics Would Baffle the Founding Fathers

    http://billmoyers.com/2014/07/04/july-4th-note-to-tea-partiers-your-politics-would-baffle-the-founding-fathers/

  • Guest

    7.5 Million Americans Working Part Time, But Not by Choice

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/75m-americans-working-part-time-not-choice

    Obamanomics: Working hard to put Americans in poverty.

    • hennorama

      “Guest”/X Y &Z/Jay/UninformedAmerican — your conclusion is nonsense, as usual.

      • Guest

        At least I have enough sense not to support a ‘incompetent and feckless’ President (per Hillary).

        Which is a lot more than can be said for you.

        • hennorama

          “Guest”/X Y & Z/Jay/UninformedAmerican — thank you for your tacit admission that your conclusion is nonsense.

          Also nonsense — you repeating anonymous garbage written by a hack, and published by Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp.

          • Guest

            You go Hillary!

  • HonestDebate1

    Let’s see, Obama said his most transparent administration would slow the ocean’s rise, heal the planet, lower insurance premiums and regain respect around the globe. But it’s Republicans who held the bar too high.

    We spent umpteen trillions (including QE’s) on shovel ready jobs, infrastructure, infrastructure, shovel ready, shovel ready, infrastructure, infrastructure, not so much. Evidently Keynes was wrong, let’s spend more on infrastructure.

    The economy is in the toilet but it’s all because of the cold winter caused by global warming.

    Iraq is going down the road we all knew about but Obama doesn’t care. We’ve surrendered, nuff’ said.

    The House has passed budgets and a gazillion jobs bills that have not got a vote in the Senate but it’s the Tea Partiers who are obstructing.

    Record numbers of Americans are out of work at the worst possible time but it’s just because they are free and choose not to work.

    Good Lord? You guys are whacked.

    • jefe68

      The right wing hack’n’jack is back…

    • StilllHere

      Great points. The usual suspects will be here to spread their nastiness in response.

  • hennorama

    Happy Fourth*!

    (*Not to be confused with Fifth Third Bank, or the Firth of Forth)

  • hennorama

    For those concerned about full-time U.S. workers vs. those who work part-time, some information from the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Current Population Survey, showing that the percentage of full-time vs. part-time workers hasn’t changed very much since January 1981:

    All Numbers in thousands, Age: 16 years and over

    January 1981 (Reagan admin. begins)
    Employed full time (persons who usually work 35 hours or more): 83,070 (83.08% of Employed persons)

    January 1989 (Bush I admin. begins)
    Employed full time): 96,500 (82.64%)

    January 1993 (Clinton I admin. begins)
    Employed full time: 98,252 (82.55%)

    January 2001 (Bush II admin. begins)
    Employed full time:114,262 (82.99%)

    January 2009 (Obama admin. begins)
    Employed full time: 115,818 (81.45%)

    June 2014 (most recent data during Obama admin.)
    Employed full time: 118,204 (80.84% )

    Sources:
    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12500000?include_graphs=false&output_type=column&years_option=all_years
    (Series Id: LNS12500000 Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employed, Usually Work Full Time)

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12600000?include_graphs=false&output_type=column&years_option=all_years
    (Series Id: LNS12600000 Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employed, Usually Work Part Time)

    • HonestDebate1

      We are seeing record highs regarding part-time work. Your numbers are outside the context of the pitiful LFPR. Quit going to such absurd lengths to put lipstick on this pig. Why do you defend this?

  • Guest

    Black Unemployment 10.7%, More Than Double White Unemployment 5.3%

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/black-unemployment-107-more-double-white-unemployment-53

    Obamanomics: Working hard to put African-Americans out of work.

    • brettearle

      “CNSNews.com relies on individuals like you to help us report the news the liberal media distort and ignore.”

      Isn’t it wonderful, Ladies and Gentleman, that a Forum comment can include information, from a website that, upfront, blatantly admits that IT is Biased.

      Yessir….That’s what we need, more jaded commentors, in this Forum, using jaded information outlets, for their vapid propaganda.

      Way to Go!

      • hennorama

        brettearle — and a “source” that begs for money on practically every page, to boot.

      • Guest

        NPR and On Point aren’t liberally biased?

        Have you ever heard On Point ‘news analyst’ Jack Beatty give his news commentary? It’s like listening White House talking points verbatim!

        P.S. CNS News is government funded like NPR is.

        • brettearle

          You…. do….not…..know…..what…..you……are…..
          talking…..about

          Jack Beatty has been skewering Obama for at least two years, by now.

          And everybody, who listens carefully–or EVEN just listens, much less carefully–knows it….

          • Guest

            The Soviet Union had Pravda,
            the US has NPR.

          • brettearle

            Typical knee-jerk cliche, hackneyed Right-Winger….with nothing more than Ignorant Bias to offer the Forum.

            Go back to your Red-Neck cattle….

          • Guest

            You just can’t admit that your ‘incompetent and feckless’ President (as described by
            Hillary Clinton), is failing miserably,

            can you Bert?

            Fear not Bert,
            your ‘incompetent and feckless’ President still has to contend with possibly being impeached, as well as being indicted as a war criminal.

          • brettearle

            They won’t let you become a member, again.

            WILL THEY?

            I wonder why……

          • Guest

            That was pretty lame Bert,
            even by your lowly standards.

          • brettearle

            Methinks the Guest doth protest, too much…

        • Guest

          CNS is NOT government funded like NPR.

      • hennorama

        brettearle — the blurb from that website, which effectively proclaims “We’re not going to even pretend that we’re unbiased,” reminds me of the panhandler’s sign that reads “Why Lie? I Need A Beer!”

        • brettearle

          Better Yet, Rippled.

          Ripple can sometimes answer anyone’s prayers for hypnotic obscurity….

          [g]

    • StilllHere

      As usual, you’ll be criticized for your source, but your facts will stand. The leftwing bozo brigade here are so lazy.

  • hennorama

    NEWSFLASH: Record Number of Women Employed in the U..S.!

    BLS Household Survey results show that in June 2014, 68,568,000 Women age 16 and over were Employed, eclipsing the old record of 68,504,000, set in May 2014, which eclipsed the prior record of 68,458,000, set in Feb. 2014.

    In fact, 2014 has been a Record Year for Working Women, as their numbers have exceeded the pre-Great Recession peak in each and every month of 2014 thus far!

    Source:
    BLS.gov Series Id: LNS12000002

  • hennorama

    NEWSFLASH: Number of Men Employed in the U..S. Hits Another New Obama Era Record!

    BLS Household Survey results show that in June 2014, 77,653,000 Men age16 and over were Employed, eclipsing the old Obama Era record of 77,416,000, set in March 2014, which eclispsed the prior record of 77,060,000, set in Jan. 2014.

    In fact, 2014 has been another Great Year for Working Men in the Obama Era, as their numbers have exceeded the January 2009 figure in each and every month of 2014 thus far, marking 28 months in a row (since March 2012) with more Employed Men compared to when President Obama was first sworn in back in Jan. 2009.

    The June 2014 level is now more than 5 MILLION (5,048,000) higher than the low set in December 2009, and nearly 2.5 Million (2,441,000) higher than the number of Men who were Employed when President Bush II left office in Jan. 2009.

    Source:
    BLS.gov Series Id: LNS12000001

  • Potter

    I am astonished. She gasped breathlessly not knowing what to say she had so much to say. This woman who called in, Shira, in Newton Ma, is in deep denial when she blames everything (totally!) on Arabs (she does not call them Palestinians). She rejects the Holocaust as having something to do with the conflict.

    If it were not for the Holocaust, Shira, there would not be an Israel!

    She apparently does not hear the hate coming from the Israeli side, even from inside the Israeli government! And she digs back to the Mohammed Dura case years ago in Gaza when Israel killed so many in one of their “operations”.

    She represents a big problem regarding the inability of a percentage of Israeli’s and Jews, many here and elsewhere, to actually agree to, be willing to compromise for peace. The man that called before her was actually correct.

    She represents an unsustainable fortress mentality that seems to believe that the situation has to be endured until some date far in the future when somehow THEIR hate, their resistance to and unjust and often brutal occupation will magically disappear (while Israeli’s live in relative comfort).

    For her, without question, Arabs murdered the Israeli teens (Netanyahu blames Hamas without offering proof) but she already knows that it could not possibly be Jewish Israeli’s that took revenge. Both are likely. In both cases we need to see proof don’t we? We do have suspicions and most suspect militants, or fundamentalists on both sides for these heartbreaking killings. The Palestinian teen apparently was burned alive!

    About hate- what about Israeli crowds crying “Death to the Arabs”, “Kill all the Arabs”, “Raze Gaza to the ground”. NO, Palestinians are not innocent but neither are Israeli’s.

    What were these Israeli boys sent into when they went to Yeshiva in the West Bank? Didn’t their parents know these were areas where there are angry people under occupation? Or were they righteous and blind to that?

    • brettearle

      Can you clarify….

      You are saying that this woman, “rejects the Holocaust as having something to do with the conflict”.?

      Can you explain this specifically and clearly?

      REJECTS the HOLOCAUST as having SOMETHING to do with THE CONFLICT?

      HUH? HUH?

      If someone–in this case, POTTER–in this FORUM, is going to bring up something like the Holocaust–where millions of people have died, and where millions of relatives and families are STILL suffering as the result, then that someone, in this Forum, had better KNOW what he is talking about….

      Does that someone have the Integrity and the Character and the Courage to clarify or explain?

      Or is that someone going to Hide Behind his, quite possibly, PROVOCATIVE remarks…..and run away into Cowardice?

      • Potter

        Brettearie, The caller Shira brought up the zHolocaust because the caller BEFORE suggested that until the Holocaust generation passes and a new generation that do not have these (obsessive) feelings are in charge, there can be no peaceful settlement of this conflict. Shira, was upset because she said the Holocaust had nothing to do with what is happening now. I am amazed since there would be no state of Israel without the Holocaust which caused the international community to get behind the Zionist movement and approve statehood at the UN. The US got behind Israel ( as did other Western powers) and has been so since the Truman administration. This was at the strong objection of Arab countries. Thus started the wars and the present conflict with the dispossessed under occupation for well over 60 years unresolved because Israeli’s, many, do not want to ever give up land that was to go to the Palestinians in the Partition agreement,land that now has many growing settlements. I could go on, but you can educate yourself. HUH?HUH? The holocaust is very much a factor in where we are today.

        • brettearle

          You are a stiff, ardent, intensely biased anti-Zionist.

          Huh? Huh?

          2 Peoples lay claim to the Land, IS the Point.

          BOTH peoples have the RIGHT to it, IS the Point.

          The Holocaust–political factor OR not–has, ultimately nothing to do with Israel’s historical AND justifiable claim.

          Justifiably, the Palestinians– and, justifiably others–lay claim to it, as well.

          IS the point.

          It is NOT the land of Israel. It is not the land of the Palestinians.

          It belongs to BOTH.

          • Potter

            Are you defining that there is a conflict and both are right? This is brilliant? For the record I am not anti-Zionist. There is nothing anti-Zionist in anything I wrote. But if I were anti-Zionist ( and I will be the judge of that) there would certainly be cause. I just don’t like the way Israel is behaving.

          • brettearle

            You’re done.

            Because you won’t, and can’t, admit to your own Biases.

            I’m done.

            PS–You might listen to your Conscience.

      • Potter

        Brettearie–Maybe you did not listen to the program…..HUH?

  • hennorama

    NEWSFLASH: Record Number of Black/African American Persons Employed in the U..S.!

    BLS Household Survey results show that in June 2014, 16,784,000 Black/African American Persons age16 and over were Employed, eclipsing the old record of 16,564,000, set in May 2014, which eclispsed the prior record of 16,556,000, set in April 2014.

    In fact, 2014 has been a Record Year for Employed Black/African American Persons, as their numbers have hit New Records every month of 2014 thus far!

    Source:
    BLS.gov Series Id: LNS12000006

    • HonestDebate1

      Okay, you are on record touting as positive the employment picture for blacks under Obama’s policies. If this is the way you chose to milk the numbers, own them.

      • Arkuy The Great

        Relax. Henny-Penny’s figures look good on the surface…if only US GDP and the total populations of those various demographics had remained stagnant since 2000.

        • hennorama

          Arkuy T G — thank you for your indirect response.

          The point of my posts is similar to yours, and is a counterpoint to the various pronouncements of “record numbers” of part-time workers, people not in the labor force, etc.

          These figures, while accurate citations of select BLS information, only tell a very small part of the overall picture, and touting only those figures that are perceived as negative is completely misleading.

          Of course, that’s the point: cherry-pick and promote only information that is perceived as negative, in an effort to criticize the current administration.

          It’s also quite telling that the entity to which you replied, [Debates?NotHe] inaccurately perceives that the accurate citation of information is equivalent to going “…on record touting as positive the employment picture…”

          Data is data, and nothing more. But citing only some of it leads to a distorted impression on the part of the reader, as one clearly sees from the words of [Debates?NotHe].

          Thanks again for your indirect response.

          • HonestDebate1

            Fail, there is no counter to the pitiful labor force rate or the shrinking universe of jobs and hours. One can only make your claim if one thinks in the shallowest and most ideological of terms.

            I don’t have to look for reasons to criticize this President. That is not my motivation, it’s silly. But you do have to look hard for illogical fallacies to sell as reasonable to defend this debacle at all cost. You should be ashamed.

            APOLOGIZE IMMEDIATELY!

          • jefe68

            The musings of the self sanctimonious and self righteous is a pitiful thing.

  • Guest

    Hillary called Obama ‘incompetent and feckless’ in boozy rant

    http://nypost.com/2014/06/27/hillary-called-obama-a-joke-at-lunch-with-pals-book/

    • hennorama

      More anonymous garbage from a hack, published by — Surprise! — Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp.

      • Guest

        The former First Lady has every right to call Obama ‘incompetent and feckless’ if she wants to.

        • hennorama

          “Guest”/X Y &Z/Jay/UninformedAmerican — thank you for your tacit admission that the piece you cited is anonymous garbage.

          • Guest

            Excuse me,
            are you calling the former First Lady a liar?

          • hennorama

            “Guest”/X Y &Z/Jay/UninformedAmerican — thank you for again proving your lack of both reasoning and simple reading comprehension.

          • Guest

            It appears you’re the one having comprehension issues.
            Hillary Clinton stated her opinion that Obama is ‘incompetent and feckless’.

            Just because you don’t care for what she said, or the venue that reported it, is completely irrelevant.

          • hennorama

            “Guest”/X Y &Z/Jay/UninformedAmerican — thank you for again proving your lack of both reasoning and simple reading comprehension.

            Three questions:

            1. Do you know what the word “anonymous” means?

            2. Can you cite a single named source, other than the hack who wrote the book, from your treasured source?

            3. Can you cite a single instance of a direct quote by Sec. Clinton, from your treasured source?

          • Guest

            I’m just going by what was reported in the NY Post. I don’t believe that the Post would just make up something of that magnitude.

            But it’s quite telling how I haven’t heard Hillary Clinton deny or refute it.

          • hennorama

            Guest”/X Y &Z/Jay/UninformedAmerican — thank you for again proving that you’ll “go by” anything “reported in” your treasured sources.

            Why won’t you answer the three very simple questions posed?

            Absent your direct answers, based on your coments, one must infer the answer to each of the three is “No.”

            Please correct any misinference in the preceding sentence.

          • Guest

            All Hillary has to do is release a simple statement to the Press stating that she did not say that Obama is ‘incompetent and feckless’ (even though he is).

          • hennorama

            “Guest”/X Y &Z/Jay/(Un)InformedAmerican — thank you for your tacit admission that you do not know the meaning of “anonymous,’ and cannot cite either a single named source, or a single instance of a direct quote by Sec. Clinton, from your treasured source.

            Your other conclusion is silly and naive. There is no reason for Sec. Clinton to dignify and elevate the anonymous garbage in your treasured source.

    • StilllHere

      She’s hoping to move to the middle apparently.

  • Dee

    To the caller who claims all the hate against Israel is on the Arab side.

    I would suggest the caller stop listening to Israeli and Zionist propaganda against the arabs in Israel’s midst who are often the victims of the Zionist land thugs who have violated their
    i1947 & 1967 borders and have built illegal settlements in violation of international law and the Palestinian peoples’ sovereign and human rights by forcing them off their land,
    out of their villages and indeed off their own roads today.
    (Eye witness https://archive.org/details/Salman_Abu_Sitta )

    If this doesn’t sound like an apartheid system of control. I am not sure what does (See the Former Israeli Attorney General Michael Ben Yair on his state’s lawlessness & apartheid
    system of control in the Palestinian Territories .)
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-war-s-seventh-day-1.51513

    And as Jimmy Carter pointed in his 2006 Op-Ed …….Israel
    has been in conflict with long held US policies on its borders dating back to the Eisenhower Administration.

    “For more than a quarter century, Israeli policy has been in conflict with that of the United States and the international community.Israel’s occupation of Palestine has obstructed a comprehensive peace agreement in the Holy Land, regard-
    less of whether Palestinians had no formalised government, one headed by Yasser Arafat or Mahmoud Abbas, or with Abbas as president and Hamas controlling the parlia-
    ment and cabinet.

    The unwavering U.S. position since Dwight Eisenhower’s administration has been that Israel’s borders coincide with those established in 1949, and, since 1967, the universally adopted UN Resolution 242 has mandated Israel’s withdrawal from the occupied territories. This policy was reconfirmed even by Israel in 1978 and 1993, and emphasised by all American presidents, including George W. Bush..”
    http://www.cartercenter.org/news/documents/doc2320.html

    ( Listen to an IDF soldier who refused to serve such a system of control. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTAvst5mxW4)

    If the caller still believes in the noble state of Israel and “all the hate is on the Arab side” she should note the hate on the Israeli side in the Maya Wind interview about “flattening Gaza “and wiping it off the map” because they as a people have refused to recognize Israel’s rights to be a racist state and its dictates over their sovereign and human rights. http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/836/op1.htm

    Dee

  • HonestDebate1

    Here is a handy graphic to keep score of religious liberties v. Obama.

    http://www.becketfund.org/hhsinformationcentral/

  • Guest

    Bill Clinton shared his wife’s loathing for Obama, as The Post reported Sunday.

    “I hate that man Obama more than any man I’ve ever met, more than any man who ever lived,”

    http://nypost.com/2014/06/27/hillary-called-obama-a-joke-at-lunch-with-pals-book/

    • hennorama

      “Guest”/X Y & Z/Jay/(Un)InformedAmerican — why do you keep pushing anonymous trash, written by a hack, and published by — Surprise! — Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp?

      You’ll “go by” anything your “sources” feed you, won’t you?

      • Guest

        Excuse me,
        are you calling former President Bill Clinton a liar?

        • hennorama

          “Guest”/X Y & Z/Jay/(Un)InformedAmerican — thank you for again proving your inability to answer simple questions, and your lack of both reasoning and simple reading comprehension.

          Can you cite a single direct quote of President Clinton, from your treasured source?

          The two simple questions contained in my post above are also hereby renewed.

        • StilllHere

          Depends on what is is.

    • StilllHere

      It doesn’t seem like the guy has any friends, only followers.

  • OnPointComments

    I frequently think liberals have a tenuous grasp on both reality and their sanity, but the Supreme Court Hobby Lobby decision has pushed some of them over the edge. In this article from the Puffington Host, the author speculates that the decision means we’ll have colonies of nudists, not paying their taxes while high on LSD and hemp, rampaging through the countryside stoning promiscuous women.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/30/religious-companies-opt-out-of-laws_n_5544582.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

    • hennorama

      OPC — no, it’s only you who “speculates that the decision means we’ll have colonies of nudists, not paying their taxes while high on LSD and hemp, rampaging through the countryside stoning promiscuous women.”

      • OnPointComments

        I exercised literary license to combine some of the author’s horrors that might result from the Hobby Lobby decision into a composite horror. My composite horror is no more absurd than the author’s separate listing.

        • hennorama

          OPC — what was that you wrote, about “a tenuous grasp on both reality and … sanity…”?

          • OnPointComments

            For the enlightenment of the commenters, why don’t you provide us with your astute prediction of which of the 8 items listed by Mr. Grim (an apt name if ever there was one) is likely to become a prevalent problem that society will have to address because of the Hobby Lobby decision.

          • hennorama

            OPC — Thank you for your response.

            I have no opinion on the article you cited.

            However, I am 100 percent certain that your speculative comment will not come true any time soon.

            Unless you take it upon yourself, of course.

        • HonestDebate1

          You were certainly more accurate than those who say women are being denied birth control.

    • StilllHere

      Seems like a logical conclusion from an absurd article. Well done.

      • OnPointComments

        Thanks.

    • jefe68

      More bottom feeding from the right wing meme squad.

  • HonestDebate1

    A day or two ago I asked who liberals liked in 2016. I didn’t get much excitement one Hillary. A couple were impressed with Elizabeth Warren. What about Algore? He is being mentioned in some circles. I hadn’t thought of him but I can see it.

  • Guest

    ‘Obama’s allowed his hatred for his enemies to screw him the way Nixon did.’ – Hillary Clinton

    http://nypost.com/2014/06/27/hillary-called-obama-a-joke-at-lunch-with-pals-book/

    • hennorama

      “Guest”/X Y & Z/Jay/(Un)InformedAmerican — you can run away from questions, but you can’t hide.

      Repeating:

      Why do you keep pushing [the same] anonymous trash, written by a hack, and published by — Surprise! — Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp?

      You’ll “go by” anything your “sources” feed you, won’t you?

      • Fredlinskip

        BEN GHAAAAAZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE (oops no E)IIIIIII!!!!
        BONNNNNNZAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!
        OBAMANAAAAAZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!
        (I can’t think unless I heard it on Rush, FOX, or WSJ).
        Facts- got no use for em”
        (Sorry, Henn- I was just trying to offer a short summation of the apparent thought processes of some of the right-wing commentary- carry on).

        • Guest

          Quoting former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton,

          Obama is ‘Incompetent and Feckless’.

          Hillary was definitely on the mark with that astute analysis.

          • hennorama

            “Guest”/X Y & Z/Jay/(Un)InformedAmerican — No, that’s false.

            You’ve simply quoted an article, which quotes a book, written by a hack, about things that anonymous sources have supposedly said.

            You’ll “go by” anything you get from your treasured “sources,” huh?

          • HonestDebate1

            Well she is right, so there’s that.

          • Fredlinskip

            One of my favorite quotes was by Jeb Bush:

            “The truth is useless. You have to understand this right now. You can’t deposit the truth in a bank. You can’t buy groceries with the truth. You can’t pay rent with the truth. The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross all the way to the homeless shelter. And if you think that the million or so people in this country that are really interested in the truth about their government can support people who would tell them the truth, you got another thing coming. Because the million or so people in this country that are truly interested in the truth don’t have any money.”

            Then someone, like Henn, pointed out to me that this quote came from a book from someone quoting an anonymous source.
            As much as I liked it, I had to quit using it.

            It’s kind of an integrity thing- when you’re doing something you know is wrong, you stop.

            Or not- we all have to live with ourselves.

          • brettearle

            So, regarding, “a book from someone quoting an anonymous source”….

            Are you saying that, ultimately, this quote cannot be substantiated?

            Because you started off your comment, by saying, “One of my favorite quotes was by Jeb Bush.”

            I’m befuddled, here….

          • Fredlinskip

            I took some literary liberty to make a point. It was my belief at first that this was a Jeb Bush quote- there are sources on the internet that would have us believe it was- Unfortunately these sources did not prove to be completely credible.
            (look it up yourself, if curious)

          • brettearle

            Thanks…

            [Oh, yeah...one other thing:

            We need you on our side--especially with regard to source reliability: Because you and I know that the Right are much more guilty of such impropriety than we are....and, as you know yourself, we don't want to give them any extra ammunition.]

          • Fredlinskip

            Actually Henn does much more in that regard for us than I, and if I slip up he’d call me out as quick as anyone else.
            But yeah I agree- Facts matter.
            Otherwise these conversations becomes “theater of the absurd”.

    • StilllHere

      Again, you’ll be criticized for your source but not your facts. Lib desperation knows no bounds.

  • Fredlinskip

    Musing on the Founding Fathers:
    In retrospect, most of them seemed to spend enormous time & energy in their youth securing the proper wife who had the proper (VERY large) dowry to support their ambitions.
    Had they not been successful in these endeavors than it’s likely we might be talking about a whole different group of FF’s.

    (let this be a lesson to you kids- it’s all right to fall in love- but go for the cash!)

  • hennorama

    Someone put cameras on a small UAV, then flew it into a fireworks display. Pretty amazing video, and definitely a unique perspective.

    http://youtu.be/a9KZ3jgbbmI

    • brettearle

      Wow!

      God raised Francis Key, instead of Lazarus, for that one…

      Obviates the use of drugs (for recreational purposes).

  • Guest

    Teen Unemployment Rises to 21%

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/teen-unemployment-rises-21

    Obamanomics: Working hard to put young Americans out of work

    • JGC

      thank you for this interesting link: teen unemployment in june = 21% / teen unemployment when bush left office = 21%. also enjoyed reading comments below the page by cns news fans, on how they view our youth: too lazy, too doped up, too stupid, can’t speak english… wish all teens could have employers like them! yes, i learned a lot today, thanks to you, my erudite friend, and to cns news.

      (p.s. – still hoping for safe return of xy&z. am working on bilateral diplomatic/humanitarian mission headed by president carter and dennis rodman)

      • Guest

        1 in 5 Children Live in Poverty in U.S.

        http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/1-5-children-live-poverty-us

        Thanks Obamanomics.

      • hennorama

        JGC — those comments are real eye-openers. Unstrained fear, negativity, anger, and hatred.

        Not sure if the expression of those feelings, and thereby releasing them from being bottled up, is a good thing, or if those expressions just encourage the mob mentality of many of those who ascribe/subscribe to the CNS “news service.”

        • JGC

          I think probably the latter (mob mentality).

          I prefer to keep a more optimistic view; as an example, I prefer to think of guest’s brain as half-full, where as some will pessimistically think of it as half-empty.

          • hennorama

            JGC — TYFYR.

            I do think that at least to some extent, the fearful, negative, angry, and hate-filled comments on the website in question (and elsewhere) serve as a sort of pressure relief valve for the vast majority of those who make them, but also that some very small subset of these individuals are fueled by these emotional comments, and react by acting out in some fashion.

            This is one of the few downsides of the easy interactivity enabled by the Web.

            BTW, did you notice that there were 2 spambots among the 30+ comments, one of which engendered actual comments? That’s a pretty high incidence. Wonder if there is some sort of correlation.

            Thanks again for your response.

  • HonestDebate1

    Where is the hope for the economy? Will it improve when Obamacare’s 39 delayed provisions are implemented? I think it will be worse. What is the plan for creating jobs and taxpayers?

    Where is the hope for peace? Will our disengagement mean less pain or more. I think more, What is Obama’s strategy for peace?

    How does Obama see America’s role on the world? I have no idea.

    • JGC

      i think a little bit of hope lies in hildebran nc. i was reading in the globe and mail today about a montreal company, richelieu group legware, that is working to revive a totally us-manufactured textile there in hildebran. 200+ skilled jobs coming to a depressed area of nc shortly.

      • Guest

        Do you think that 200 jobs (if they come at all), will reverse US GDP shrinking by nearly 3% in Q1 2014?

        Don’t hold your breath.

        • JGC

          Negative, pessimistic thoughts are not the American way.

          BTW, you forgot to give your previous comment an upvote.

          • ExcellentNews

            Well said. However, intelligent policy is needed to convert positive thoughts into reality.

            We need to revise our entire trade philosophy. Free trade only with free countries that meet our labor and environmental standards. Do this, and watch 25,000,000 US jobs come back. Of course, this dream for our middle class would be bad for the few thousand global billionaires…

          • John Cedar

            While I do have tears for the worlds billionaires, your scenario would be far worse on the millions of impoverished ‘Mericans who happen to enjoy a higher standard of living than a middle class person in the Nordic and European utopias.

          • Michael Rogers

            REALLY?? references please!

      • HonestDebate1

        We are lucky in NC. The election swung our way.

        That’s right down the road from me. I have some friends who bought an old textile mill in nearby Rhodhiss. It’s a very cool building on the River. There is an old water wheel in the basement that used to turn a shaft that turned the machines. They now import and export fine leather.

        • JGC

          Just curious: do your friends use or are they registered with the Export-Import Bank? This seems to be brewing as the next item of brinksmanship on the Tea Party docket.

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t know, I’ll ask.

    • ExcellentNews

      Damn Right !!! Obama’s policies of (a) investing in American infrastructure, science, and education (b) reforming a dysfunctional healthcare system, and (c) disentangling America from the Middle East, are so… bad.

      Contrast this to the EXCELLENT ideas of the right:

      1) Economic revival – We shall give tax-free inheritances to Paris Hilton, Tag Romney and the Baby Kochs. The money will trickle down to the 99% and MAKE YOU RICH !!!

      2) Peace can be easily achieved by converting the Middle East to Christianity (not just any Christianity, but Southern Evangelical, which is the only TRUE FAITH). Since our military may be inexperienced with conversions, we will send select private contractors to help them there.

      3) America’s role in the world shall be great. We will help Israeli peasants evict Arab peasants from their farms. We keep down slave labor in the sweatshops where it belongs. We will put TWO automatic weapons in every kindergarten. And we will finally outlaw the teaching of evolution and other heresies around the world.

      Those are promises you CAN believe. Down with Obama! Go Republican 2016!!!

      • Michael Rogers

        You forgot mandating the use of over richened pollution creating trucks to provide an environment you can see and–of course complying with the constitution by REQUIRING every man to possess at least one large caliber gun!

    • John Cedar

      I just hired a full time HR lady at $50k ,and one of her big responsibilities will be to ensure employees are kept below 30hr/wk and keep us in compliance. The lady handing off the HR duties, used to be able to keep up with HR by spending less than half her time on that task. Just think of all the HR openings Obamacare is responsible for creating!

      • HonestDebate1

        I don’t blame you but it’s a tragedy. It’s the last thing this economy needs. I don’t see a recovery until Obamacare is repealed.

        It’s true there is an entire cottage industry being born to sell ways to avoid Obamacare. I guess that helps a little. He’s done wonders for the gun industry as well.

      • JGC

        What exactly is an “HR lady”? It doesn’t sound as professional as your office would probably prefer.

        • John Cedar

          A lady is any chick older than me. Notwithstanding Moochelle Obama, who is a beyotch and not a lady.

          HR is an acronym for human resources, which is a vogue term that replaced personnel department over that last few decades.

          Not sure i care about sounding professional. I don’t give professional titles to any of my employees. The deal is that they do what I tell them to do and then I pay them for doing it.

          • JGC

            Thanks! *facepalm*

  • Gato Pardo

    Go to any mall in America, the vast majority have an immigrant background, take that factor away and see the economy crumble.

  • Geheran1958

    Funny how the mainstream media fails to report the obvious contrast in behavior between Israeli authorities and general population vs. the PLO and Palestinian public following the killings of their respective teens. Israel quickly investigates, apprehends and secure confessions from the Jewish perps responsible for the murder of the Arab youth while the Arab street celebrates the death of the three Israeli teens with parades and women handing out sweets. Another example of the Dhimmi West bending over backwards for fear of offending the super sensitive members of the “religion of peace”.

  • NnWl

    RE: Hobby Lobby, ad nauseum…I can’t wait for the Muslim, Jewish, Wickin, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroasteriians, Masons, Unitarians, etc decide to use this latest abomination from the SCOTUS to start refusing employment, health care options, goods and services to people they don’t like as the thundermentalist American Christianists seem to be gearing up to do.
    American Christianism has dumbed down, and prostituted the timeless Christianity of tolerance, compassion, kindness, empathy, charity, mercy, and humility in favor of temporal religiopoliticoparanoia.

    • OnPointComments

      If I don’t buy you something you want, does that mean that I am forcing my beliefs on you?
      If you make me buy you something you want, are you forcing your beliefs on me?
      Suppose we resolve the issue by agreeing that you can buy what ever you want, and you can’t force me to buy it for you.

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