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Iraq blows up. A Benghazi arrest. A deadly double -twister in Nebraska. Amazon’s “Fire.” The Daily Beast’s Kim Dozier, the National Journal’s James Oliphant and On Point’s own Jack Beatty work through a week’s worth of big stories.

Iraqi Army soldiers parade inside the main army recruiting center during a recruiting drive for men to volunteer for military service in Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, June 19, 2014, after authorities urged Iraqis to help battle insurgents. (AP)

Iraqi Army soldiers parade inside the main army recruiting center during a recruiting drive for men to volunteer for military service in Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, June 19, 2014, after authorities urged Iraqis to help battle insurgents. (AP)

American troops, headed back to a reeling Iraq this week.  ISIS militants and their allies, sweeping across the country.  Oil and Baghdad threatened.  And the US president, putting “boots on the ground” – again.  Not combat troops, the President insisted.  Not now.  Not ever.  But Special Forces are headed in.  Iraq’s not over.  In Libya, an arrest in the Benghazi attack.  In Washington, new Republican leadership.  Missing IRS e-mails.  More heat on the Redskins to change their name.  And Dick Cheney goes on the attack.  This hour, On Point:  Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

- Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Kimberly Dozier, contributing editor to the Daily Beast. Author of “Breathing the Fire: Fighting to Report and Get Back to the Fight.”  Former CBS News correspondent. (@KimberlyDozier)

James Oliphant, White House correspondent for the National Journal. (@jamesoliphant)

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

New York Times: Conflict in Iraq Adds New Angle to U.S.-Iran Nuclear Talks – “The Iranian leadership had a message for Washington on Wednesday: If President Obama really wants some cooperation on stabilizing Iraq, he might first think about speeding forward with a permanent deal over Iran’s nuclear capability.”

The Daily Beast: Why Delta Force Waited So Long to Grab a Benghazi Ringleader — “The mission to capture Ahmed abu Khatallah, one of the ringleaders of the September 11, 2012 attacks on the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya was more than a year in the making. In the months leading up to the raid, teams from the Army’s 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta, or Delta Force, practiced the extradition on a mock-up of abu Khatallah’s compound at Fort Bragg, according to a U.S. military contractor familiar with the planning for the mission.”

TechCrunch: Amazon Announces The $199 Fire Phone, The First Smartphone With Head-Tracking Technology — “The Fire Phone rocks a 4.7-inch IPS screen and is equipped with a 13MP rear-facing camera with image stabilization and a f2.0 lens. Inside is a quad-core 2.2GHz chip, Adreno 330 graphics and 2GB of RAM — not enough to stand tall against the latest Android flagships but enough horsepower to provide a good experience.”

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  • Human2013

    Dear Massachusetts,

    I want to commend you for taking the lead and raising the state minimum wage to $11/hr – soon to be the highest in the nation. I have to say that I was concerned when the city of Seattle set their wage at $15/hr and Deval had not yet signed the legislation. With that being said, Massachusetts is a leader in income inequality and no one in this state can live off $11/hr – it’s not enough for food, shelter and clothing. This is a decent start, but more action is needed. As it stands, America’s minimum wage places people below sustenance of slavery. The slave master fed, clothed and housed his slaves, but our CEOs are required to do no such thing. It is starting to appear that most Americans have traded the ability to make a decent wage for Freedom – the Freedom to go without. We have outrageous wealth and shameful poverty living too close to call our state Progressive. So, in keeping with MA tradition of establishing firsts (public library, schools and parks), can we please be the first to bring dignity back to work before our society returns to the dark ages.

    Cordially,
    Concerned MA resident

    • John Cedar

      The slaves were salary, not hourly.

      • nj_v2

        The trolls are lame, not insightful.

        • jefe68

          He’s going for the nasty clown award for today.

        • John Cedar

          The absurdity of arguing that minimum wage is below the sustenance of slavery is self evident. If you need someone to offer insight into that for you, then you are more of a lost cause than can be imagined. At least when Engels and Marx made a similar argument, they had the decency to argue it from the theoretical point in time when the worker was no longer employed and was left to starve.

    • Don_B1

      I believe that the study that showed Massachusetts to be in the high inequality group did not include transfers such as SNAP and Medicaid, etc., which does ameliorate that inequality to some extent.

      • Human2013

        Tell me you know how much that average SNAP recipient receives — it is not likely to change anything.

  • X Y & Z
    • TFRX

      Dear NPR: If it’s news, it’ll be somewhere else besides CNS. And if it’s only in CNS, it’s not news, it’s propaganda.

  • JONBOSTON

    Tom Ashbrook- I hope you regard reports that the IRS has destroyed relevant hard drives etc of key officials as troubling as I and I’m sure many of your listeners do. And if not , you owe it your listeners to explain why not. Lois Lerner’s effort to explore criminal charges against groups guilty of nothing other than exercising their First Amendment rights is disgusting , something I’d expect to see in the former Soviet Union. However the biggest outrage is deserved for the mainstream media who have totally abandoned their role as watchdogs for being lapdogs. I wonder when the NYT will even report this event and how they distinguish this from Nixon’s tape gap. As someone remarked , Obama is the president that Nixon always wanted to be.

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    I find this story fascinating. It reveals that if you can control the headlines you can control the debate.

    FTA:
    This year, Gregory A. Peterson, a judge overseeing the investigation, quashed subpoenas, saying he had found no probable cause of campaign finance violations.

    And in May, a federal judge, Rudolph T. Randa, granted a preliminary injunction to halt the criminal inquiry, known in Wisconsin as a John Doe investigation, which is usually secret. The documents were unsealed as part of an appeal to that ruling, which is before the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, in Chicago.

    published by the New York Times under the headline:
    “Wisconsin Governor at Center of a Vast Fund-Raising Case”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/20/us/scott-walker-wisconsin-governor.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0

    In another article on the same story the headline reads:
    “John Doe prosecutors accuse Scott Walker of running ‘criminal scheme’ during recalls”

    FTA:
    Attorneys for Wisconsin Club for Growth said Thursday it was prosecutors who had violated state law.

    “These documents show how the John Doe prosecutors adopted a blatantly unconstitutional interpretation of Wisconsin law that they used to launch a secret criminal investigation targeting conservatives throughout Wisconsin. That legal theory has now been rejected by two courts,” said Andrew Grossman of Baker Hostetler, the law firm representing Club for Growth. “Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this is a story that needs to be told to prevent more abuses and to hold the John Doe prosecutors accountable for violating the rights of Wisconsinites.”

    http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/john-doe-prosecutors-accuse-scott-walker-of-running-criminal-scheme/article_ab656c57-c352-5294-8d56-08ddd6f61d18.html#ixzz35B7dfLII

    To me this seems to confirm two of my opinions. First, that many news organizations are biased against government reformers. Second, prosecutors need to have checks put on their “prosecutorial discretion.”

    • John Cedar

      The guys that said they raped the Central Park jogger are getting $40MM. How is that for a cheque on prosecutors? Who knew if you elected a left wing communist lunatic to mayor, he would behave as one?

      Yahoo put the Walker headline on my screen yesterday. I didn’t even think about clicking on it.

      • anamaria23

        It is hard to believe that one would post such a deliberately false statement re: the Central Park Five. The 14-16 years olds were exonerated after spending their youth (7 to 13 yrs) in prison convicted by forced confessions. There is abundant documentation of their case including the Ken Burns documentary “The Central Park Five”
        A convicted criminal, Matias Reyes confessed to
        the crime.
        The guilty prosecutors paid no price for their actions. But, judging by the contempt in your comment for justice served, that is okay with you.

        • Don_B1

          It just goes to show how willfully ignorant Mr. Cedar is. It raises the question of when willful ignorance becomes stupidity.

          It certainly raises a strong bias against accepting any of his comments as pertinent to whatever the issue under discussion is.

        • John Cedar

          There is no such thing as a documentary. Only agendacumentaries.

          If the guilty prosecutors were as guilty as you say, then this case would have been won years ago rather than ended by electing a communist leftopian dolt into the mayors office.

          Nothing I posted was false. The kids said they did it. They later said they didn’t do it, but were out assaulting and robbing others at the time instead.

          I never said justice was served. But I’m saving my tears for bigger victims than violent criminals who were convicted of the wrong violent crime. And I don’t agree with paying the aforementioned $40MM…in case you dinnit figure that out.

          • anamaria23

            You brought up the CP5 settlement.
            “the guys that said they raped the Central Park jogger are getting 40 MM” is false by omission of all pertinent facts.
            The guys who said they raped and attempted murder on a Central Park jogger,
            but were later exonerated by evidence of a coerced confession and the confession by the real perpetrator whose DNA was found at the scene were awarded 40MM, is the complete story of the CP5.
            The award must be approved by comptroller and a judge.. They have not “got” it yet. If they do, they must share it with the lawyers and the government.
            One can legitimately debate whether they deserve the settlement as many do; one can legitimately debate the character of the CP5, but these do not change the facts of the case as it presently decided.
            You are entitled to your opinion of Mayor DiBlasio and the validity of documentaries. It does not change the facts of the CP5 case, now 25 years along before resolution.

          • John Cedar

            My omission of all facts does not make my statement false in the least. Even if such an assertion were true, the CPJ case was so high profile and so widely covered, that only the most woefully misinformed would be unaware of some of the extra facts of the case.

            If anyone is lying by omission here, it is you, who pretends to tell the entire story but leaves out the pertinent reasons why it is 2014 and still ongoing.

            I on the other hand, I have told only enough facts, to make the story so preposterous, that any sensible person would assume there is more to the story than what I have written. Considering the nature of the readers of this forum, there is less than zero chance I attempted to deceive anyone. What I did do is include the one fact that trumps all other facts, in making this settlement as outrageous as it seems.

          • anamaria23

            Nice try. Some percentage of the posters on this forum were not even born in 1989.
            Your initial comment was deceiving and that what was responded to.
            You made no reference to “it” going on so long in your first statement which is, in my opinion, a whole other discussion.

          • John Cedar

            Ah, but your try is even nicer.
            I wasn’t born when Lizzie Borden wielded her ax, yet I know a few tidbits about the case. And it wasn’t that long ago that a best selling book was published by the rape victim. So 1989 is not all that relevant.

            But again, even those who know nothing of the case, would invariably engage their critical thinking skills and flesh out why they were getting $40MM if they admitted to the crime.

            You, on the other hand, pretended to tell the entire story, but only told one biased version, omitting many pertinent facts. You are the true deceiver. If I am guilty of anything, it is simply overestimating the readers who you underestamte.

      • jefe68

        Are you serious when you post such outrageous nonsense? Or are you just trying to get a rise out of people? Either way, this is bottom feeding at it’s worst.

        • John Cedar

          Serious as a heart attack.
          I am on the same side of this issue as the mayor who was so popular that he got away with changing the law in order to run and win a third term…in the second most librul place on earth.

  • nj_v2

    We just needed to stay a little longer. Spend a little more.

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/06/19/How-US-Lost-Billions-Over-9-Years-Iraq

    How the U.S. Lost Billions Over 9 Years in Iraq
    A 2013 audit of spending on reconstruction in Iraq found rampant waste.

    Since the start of the Iraq War, the United States has sent tens of billions of dollars in assistance to Iraq, a large portion of which has been squandered or simply disappeared.

    Government auditors say some $61 billion was spent on reconstruction projects in Iraq from 2003 to 2012. At least 10 percent of the money cannot be accounted for. Some 15 percent of the money spent, or roughly $8 billion, was wasted.

    The audit also found that much of the money spent in Iraq was ineffective. Many development projects are still unfinished, and the futility of the money spent on training Iraqi troops has been on full display during the recent ISIS advance.

    American money began to disappear almost as soon as the Iraq War began. In 2004, $19 billion in reconstruction assistance was provided to Iraq. From 2005 to 2009, $26 billion was sent to Iraq for the same purpose.

    A Congressional Research Service (CRS) report published in 2009 said much of this money was lost to waste, fraud and abuse. Stuart W. Bowen, Jr., then Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR), testified to Congress in 2009 that 15 to 20 percent of this money was wasted.

    “The overuse of cost-plus contracts, high contractor overhead expenses, excessive contractor award fees, and unacceptable program and project delays all contributed to a significant waste of taxpayer dollars,” Bowen told Congress back in 2009.

    (snipped)

  • Ed75

    Two events took place last week that make the world now a different place – the influx of immigrants into Texas, and the taking over of territory by ISIS. President Bush had established the ground work for an American force to stay in Iraq, President Obama didn’t follow up on it. This was the predictable result. But ISIS, as the Iraqi ambassador said, can’t be allowed to stay in this location, it is not possible to have them as a neighbor. And it looks like the Iraqi government will not be able to remove them.
    No one believes that the Lois Lerner emails were lost, or that they can’t be retrieved.
    Danesh D’Souza’s ‘America: what would the world be like without it?’ opens July 2nd.

    • nj_v2

      [[ President Bush had established the ground work for an American force to stay in Iraq, President Obama didn't follow up on it. This was the predictable result. ]]

      Clueless much?

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/16/gop-iraq-hypocrisy-hits-overdrive.html

      GOP Iraq Hypocrisy Hits Overdrive

      Obama is ‘taking a nap’ as ISIS takes over? It was Boehner’s party that gave us this war, and it was Bush who negotiated the ‘peace.’ Is there anything they won’t play politics with?
      “So it’s fine to give Obama some of the blame for the current Iraq mess. But he’s like the guy the captain of theTitanic turned to when he heard the scout yell “Iceberg!” and said, “Here, you take the wheel.” It was clear enough back in December 2008, when Bush negotiated the SOFA, that we were just ducking and running according to a politically acceptable timetable that had nothing to do with the reality on the ground. Everyone knew that that reality could easily, indeed would likely, devolve into the sectarian disaster we see now. And as a side note, let’s not forget the decision by Bush’s man Paul Bremer to disband the Iraqi army. That left a lot of unemployed officers who, according to regional expert Fawaz Gerges, went and joined…ISIS.”

      (excerpt)

      • Ed75

        Fair enough: we went in when we should have stayed out, we left when we should have stayed in.

        • J__o__h__n

          When were we supposed to leave? We could spend decades there and soon after we left it would all fall apart again.

    • TFRX

      Stick to your abortion shat.

      • Ed75

        Well, in a way I am. President Obama (and Hilarious Clinton are both as pro-abortion as one can be, so I find as much fault with President Obama as I possibly can. So far he hasn’t done anything right.

    • Don_B1

      I hope you spend all day Sunday in Church, praying that God forgives you for your screaming LIES!

  • nj_v2

    Rethuglicon/right-wing jacka**ery, Lifetime Achievement Award:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/opinion/charles-blow-the-gall-of-dick-cheney.html?_r=0

    The Gall of Dick Cheney

    [[ …As we weigh our response, one of the last people who should say anything on the subject is a man who is partly responsible for the problem.But former Vice President Dick Cheney, who was in the administration that deceived us into a nine-year war in Iraq, just can’t seem to keep his peace.

    In an Op-Ed published with his daughter, Liz, in The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday, the Cheneys write:

    “Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.”

    This, from the man who helped lead us into this trumped-up war, searching for nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, a war in which some 4,500 members of the American military were killed, many thousands more injured, and that is running a tab of trillions of dollars.

    During the lead-up to the war, Mr. Cheney said to Tim Russert: “I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators.” Nothing could have been further from the truth.… ]]

    (excerpts)

  • X Y & Z

    Price Index for Meats, Poultry, Fish & Eggs Rockets to All-Time High

    http://cnsnews.com/node/805362

    • nj_v2

      Wow, that’s a real news flash; commodity prices are going up. You forgot to mention it’s clearly due to Obama’s drone strikes.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        There is plenty of blame to give to the Demicrat’s Corn/Ethanol Policy, as well as the Quantitative Easing policies causing inflation.

        • Ray in VT

          There are certainly impacts from the ethanol policies, however, to blame that entirely on the “Demicrat’s” is wrong, considering that such requirements were upped in 2005 with 200 Republicans voting for the Energy Policy Act of 2005 and again in 2007 with a House vote of 314-100, so Republican fingerprints are on these policies as well.

          Also, inflation remains relatively pretty low.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Inflation only seems low because they do not include food and energy in the calculation.

            But I was unfair to describe it as a”Demicrat’s policy.” Since it was introduced by Vice President Al Gore when he was running for president in Iowa plenty of big government Republicans have voted in favor of that tragically flawed policy.

          • Ray in VT

            “Inflation only seems low because they do not include food and energy in the calculation.” Not really. Even when those are included, broadly speaking inflation doesn’t just seem low, it is fairly low.

            “Tragically flawed” is, I think, a bit over dramatic.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I believe that calling adding ethanol to gasoline for environmental benefits tragically flawed borders on understatement.
            FTA:
            “What’s more, the corn ethanol that is forcing its way into the marketplace is likely increasing greenhouse gas emissions, according to the National Academy of Sciences. In fact, corn-based ethanol nearly doubles GHG emissions over 30 years and increases greenhouse gases for 167 years, according to researchers from Princeton University and Iowa State University. With the RFS accomplishing the exact opposite of what it was intended to do – decrease GHG emissions – can it really be advisable to let the “RFS run its course,” as Schweiker suggests?

            Contrary to claims that the RFS “places no burden on the federal budget,” corn ethanol, the most widely produced biofuel in the U.S., has cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars over the past 30 years.”

            http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-a-environment/328423-renewable-fuel-standard-mandate-is-a-failed-policy#ixzz35BoQ94BV

          • Ray in VT

            Other information that I have seen regarding life cycle GHG emissions have shown biofuels to contribute less than fossil fuels, but if those did not take the Princeton and Iowa State factors into account, and if those factors have been validly accounted for, then that sort of does defeat the purpose in large measure.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            The true measure would include the GHG emissions used in growing corn. Also some studies I see do not consider the lesser energy potential of ethanol to gas. Because you use more ethanol to drive the same distance the saving are less.

          • Don_B1

            While corn may be considered a “biofuel,” it is definitely not as climate friendly as sawgrass or other bios are. It takes something close to 0.75 gallons of gasoline to produce 1 gallon of corn oil just to start.

          • Don_B1

            The term “core inflation” is used to refer to the amount of inflation without its volatile components which makes the general trend of inflation clear, as those volatile components would need to be filtered out in some other way to show the trend, and those ways would be subject to more “distortion” than just not including the volatile components. But when the volatile components are not included directly, they still get there indirectly if they are persistently high, as they impact other costs in the economy, pushing them up.

            Talking about leaving out food and energy is nothing more than a distraction.

        • Don_B1

          As Senator Bob Dole explained to T.Boone Pickens, there are at least 25 states with large agricultural economic centers, and the attractiveness (profitability) of growing more corn in those states was enough to ensure that the ethanol requirement would pass, despite the pleas of climate scientists and others that it was not a climate winner.

          Search C-SPAN2 for a T.Boone Pickens appearance on their BookTV.

        • nj_v2

          Who pushed and set up the corn ethanol boom about 10 years ago? Go ahead, we’ll wait for your answer.

      • X Y & Z

        It’s due primarily to dollar devaluation, and Obama’s failed economic policies as well as rising energy and fuel prices.

        • TFRX

          Yeah, you, or someone who knows something?

          I’ll stick with the latter.

    • Ray in VT

      Is that adjusted for inflation? Also, it shouldn’t be news that meat, at least beef, prices are high, given environmental effects, such as drought and the hard winter, that impact those markets.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      “……….What does this mean for us? It means much higher gas prices in the coming months and years. Is $4 to $5 per gallon gasoline a burden on your pocketbook? Try $10 to $11 per gallon, perhaps more. Do you think the economy is straining as it is under the weight of current gas prices? Imagine the earthquake within our freight-based system when the cost of trucking shipments triples. And guess who will end up paying for the increased costs? That’s right: you, the consumer. High energy prices affect everything, including shelf prices of retail goods. This is just the beginning of what I believe will be ever expanding inflation in oil prices, leading to the end of the dollar’s petroleum reserve status, then it’s world reserve status by default, and the introduction of a basket currency system that will ultimately benefit a select few global financiers while diminishing the quality of living for millions, if not billions, of people.”

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/energy-markets-are-brink-crisis

      • Don_B1

        Those companies working to extract tar oils from the Canadian boreal forest at great cost and they need high oil prices to make their companies profitable.

        Gasoline prices have no where to go but up.

    • TFRX

      What’s to blame for the record high prices? A combination of long-term
      drought in the nation’s biggest agricultural states and winter storms
      that killed off thousands of cattle last year
      , noted Paul Walsh, vice
      president for weather analytics at The Weather Company, the parent of
      The Weather Channel and weather.com.

      Dear NPR: If it’s news, it’ll be somewhere else besides CNS. And if it’s only in CNS, it’s not news, it’s propaganda.

      • Ray in VT

        Who would think that drought and severe cold could affect something like beef prices?

        • jefe68

          Careful, you’re dealing with magical thinkers.

  • nj_v2

    Another “tough choice” for Hillary. Will she comment on this and condemn the actions of the “security” personnel, or let herabject, ironic hypocrisy stand?

    http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/18/ex_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_beaten

    Ex-CIA Analyst Ray McGovern Beaten, Arrested for Silent Protest at Clinton Speech

    This week, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave a major address calling for internet freedom around the world. As Clinton condemned the Egyptian and Iranian governments for arresting and beating protesters, former U.S. Army and CIA officer Ray McGovern was violently ejected from the audience and arrested after he stood up and turned his back in a silent protest of America’s foreign policy. Ray McGovern joins us from Washington, D.C. [includes rush transcript]

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Hows that book tour going for Sec Clinton…

      http://youtu.be/pFZWjbqn4pw

      not so well it seems.

      • TFRX

        She punked that asswipe squirrel.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          I have never heard anyone describe the horrific incident in Benghazi and Ambassador Stevens in a more obnoxiously disrespectful way.

          “… Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”

          • Ray in VT

            The only more horrific aspect of the whole tragedy that I have seen is the politicization of the event by the opponents of the President and their willingness to run out any lie, distortion or conspiracy theory from seemingly any sort to attempt to portray the administration as having engaged or engaging in some sort of massive misinformation and deception campaign regarding the situation.

          • HonestDebate1

            Politicization?! You cannot be serious.

          • Ray in VT

            Lame. What conspiracy theory about Benghazi do you want to peddle today? We didn’t send aid perhaps?

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            So you still believe it was a movie review gone tragically wrong? (No politics in that explanation or the imprisonment of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula.)

          • Ray in VT

            I believe in the facts as they have been established, and if you want to promote the idea that a convicted felon being jailed for violating the terms of his parole as a part of the conspiracy, then go ahead.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I believe that some of the facts have been well established while others have been hidden by the administration and their water carriers in the media for political gain.

            According to a recent CNN poll I share the opinion of the majority of Americans.

          • Ray in VT

            I bet that nearly 2 years of GOP and conservative media promotion of the “conspiracy” has had no effect on the public’s views. A lot also depends upon the question. Saying that there are likely things about 9/11 that the government hasn’t divulged doesn’t make one an “it was an inside job” Truther.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            You make a valid point. But, (to use your metaphor,) I am not the one arguing that fire can’t melt steel. It is incredible to believe the administration’s account of events. Much more likely is they covered up what really happened to shield the President during his reelection campaign.

            I can understand the failure. It is a dangerous world and tragic events happen to good people doing good things every minute of every day. But I will not accept and our system of government can not withstand powerful politicians hiding their mistakes from the voters. If this is allowed to go on we are no longer the nation worthy of the sacrifice those men made.

          • Don_B1

            You have no proof that there is anything for the Obama administration to “hide” except your desire to find something, but which has so far been totally elusive.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            This proof you say I don’t have is it like the proof that Sen Reid had that Gov Romney didn’t pay any taxes?

            The fact is that our President and members of his administration lie to the American people about what had happened in Benghazi. That has been demonstrated repeatedly. And confirmed by the e-mails of those involved.
            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/29/benghazi-emails-point-at-white-house/8471737/

            It is abundantly clear that President Obama was running on his successes in the war on terror. He included Libya as one of those successes. Do you argue those points? The event in Benghazi happened at a crucial juncture and could have dis-proven President Obama’s foreign policy narrative.

            The event and our response to it are questionable but I could be sympathetic to the decision not to commit more troops to a battle that has already been lost. Heartbreaking as such a decision must be. Even though hindsight now tells us that the battle was not lost.

            But politicians can not be allowed to device the voters for their own political gain. Or isn’t that what you find so objectionable about VP Cheney?

          • TFRX

            Wow.

            We already have Godwin. There must be a name for what you’re trying to do down in your gutter with McCarthy.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            You slither from offensive to inane in less than 25 words.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Ralph Nader Q&A: How Progressives and Libertarians Are Taking on Crony Capitalism and Corrupt Dems and Reps; June 2014

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1QVAUFnckTU

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      I’ve worked with people in the Occupy movement as well as some from more main stream leftist groups. After listening to Mr. Nader’s interview on NPR, I am underwhelmed. He comes to the party late and empty-handed.

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        With regards to finding some common ground with libertarian types on core issues of the day?

        Are you saying you see such alliances happening anyway?

        That would be great. But without them we are divided and conquered by the elite and status quo cronies who have a stranglehold on our society and hide behind the D-R charade.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Agreed. But I have found many that I can work with even though we disagree on others. And by working together we become more human in each others’ mind. That benefits us all that seek to form a more perfect union.

          • jefe68

            And yet one does not get the feeling ascribe to such meetings of the minds.
            At least one does seem to get that idea from what you post on this forum.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Do you spend allot of effort reaching across the political divide to others? Is it those comments that you hide behind the privacy lock? It seems very curious that you choose to hide your commenting activities here.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    The Keynesian Apotheosis Is Here; But Blame The Final Destruction Of Sound Money On The Bushes

    “The only thing that can be said about Janet Yellen’s simple-minded paint-by-the-numbers performance yesterday is that the Keynesian apotheosis is complete. American capitalism and all political life, too, is now ruled by a 12-member monetary politburo, which is essentially accountable to no one except its own misbegotten doctrine that prosperity flows from the end of a printing press”………..

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/keynesian-apotheosis-here-blame-final-destruction-sound-money-bushes

  • Government_Banking_Serf
    • Don_B1

      Wouldn’t that be nice to get people to accept five short paragraphs as an economics treatise that says next to nothing in place of a big collection of data documenting how the wealthy use their wealth to extract the little wealth of the bottom 80% for their further aggrandizement.

  • Matt MC

    If we were really interested in creating a stable center of democracy and sanity in the Middle East, we would have been supporting the Kurds all this time. Love the Kurds! Go Kurdistan!

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    Are we going to talk about the IRS scandal this week? (Isn’t the use of the IRS to attempt to silence a president’s political enemies as worthy of discussion as a shiny new electronic bauble?)

    FTA:
    Oh, and the too-convenient-by-half computer disaster must have been one for the ages, since similar crashes wiped out relevant emails from six other agency officials. (On the bright side, this might be an excuse worth remembering for your next IRS audit: “Sorry, fellas, computer crash!”)

    If there were a last straw to this mess, wouldn’t this be it? It’s almost impossible to overstate the seriousness of an IRS accused of using its immense power to discriminate against groups based on ideology. Conservatives shouldn’t stand alone in their anger; imagine the same circumstances with a Republican, instead of Democratic Barack Obama, in the White House.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20140619-editorial-last-straw-for-irs-should-lead-to-special-counsel.ece

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      All very interesting, but this worse-than-Nixon stuff is just so………. 1970′s!

      What difference, at this point, does political corruption make!

    • Kathy

      You do realize they “targeted” more liberal groups than conservative ones right?

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        That is a red herring argument made by some. Aside from being inaccurate, it makes it seem to casual observers that everybody was doing it and it only matters to policy wonks. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is a matter of the government using the power to tax to destroy lawful political opposition. If so many non Tea Party groups were likewise wrongly harassed then let them stand up and demand justice as we have done. Either we have Free Speech or we don’t.

        “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
        ― Martin Luther King Jr.

      • Don_B1

        The big problem is that the I.R.S. regulation was not consistent with the law !

        The regulation seems to allow some political groups to claim to be only only primarily engaged in promoting social welfare rather than the statutory requirement that they be exclusively for the promotion of social welfare. See Bloomberg:

        Section 501(c)(4) exempts from taxation “social welfare” groups, that is, “[c]ivic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare … and the net earnings of which are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.” Although the statutory language states that such organizations must operate “exclusively” for the promotion of social welfare, IRS regulations state that these organizations must only be “primarily engaged” in promoting social welfare: An organization is operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare if it is primarily engaged in promoting in some way the common good and general welfare of the people of the community. An organization embraced within this section is one which is operated primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and social improvements.

        http://www.bna.com/irs-look-political-n17179869834/

        The I.R.S. should not have even been thinking of granting tax exempt status to these tax- and transparency-dodging organizations. Additionally, there is no general welfare improvement when the function of these groups is voter deception.

  • Coastghost

    Thirty days from today, Sunday 20 July, Iran and international diplomats will be signing the new, long-awaited agreement concerning the status of Iran’s domestic nuclear program. Prospects for larger regional conflict will instantly diminish, bliss will break out everywhere even without copious quantities of raw opium, and even Sunni upstarts and ISIL insurgents in Iraq will see the folly of their ways and resign themselves to negotiating a political solution to the present turmoil.
    Right?
    Well . . . . (but really: what could POSSIBLY go wrong?)

    • Ray in VT

      Obviously any deal reached to try to settle the issue of Iranian nuclear development was promised to create utopia in the region.

      • Coastghost

        Prospects for reaching this deal by 20 July, Ray, arguably have helped fuel utopian thinking, even within the Obama Administration: cf. the posted headline above from the NYT.
        Of course, the professionals are prepared to offer a six-month extension, during the course of which nothing else could possibly go wrong, either.

        • Ray in VT

          “arguably have helped fuel utopian thinking” in your mind perhaps. Perhaps any sort of progress on any sort of issue and the hope for or some actual resolution is “utopian thinking”.

          • Coastghost

            Far be it from me to even think of speaking for either the Pentagon or the New York Times.

          • Ray in VT

            Obviously they’re all saying that all problems will be solved and peace, joy and brotherhood will all reign forever if a deal is reached.

          • Coastghost

            No, that’s only the view from the Obama White House and our illustrious Department of State.

          • Ray in VT

            Care to provide some exact quotes as to how they think that such an agreement will cure all ills in line with the sort of “utopian thinking” that you say that they are? Perhaps any solution or positive move on the matter is “utopian thinking” to you.

          • Coastghost

            NPR’s Tom Bowman was speaking to the Kerry-Pentagon discrepancy just this week. I regret I have not read the NYT coverage, but it’s cited as the first item in “Tom’s Reading List” up above.

          • Ray in VT

            Those don’t seem to be quotes promising wine, roses and good times as far as the eye can see, as I would expect the utopian thinkers to be promising.

          • Coastghost

            Yet they offer insight into the short-sighted thinking and ad hoc crisis management style that has become emblematic of the Obama Administration.

          • Ray in VT

            The “ad hoc crisis management” that is the prospect of some sort of deal with Iran that has been in the works and/or on the table for years?

          • Coastghost

            Specifically, no: only the readiness of the Obama Administration to even consider out loud linking the current nuclear talks with preferred outcomes for the turmoil in Iraq: THAT “ad hoc crisis management”.

          • Ray in VT

            I guess that actions and moves should never take current events or new developments into account.

    • Don_B1

      Are you practicing writing skits for a S.N.L. show? They need a little more work.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    And it’s one two three what are we fighting for?
    Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn.
    Next stop’s Iraq-Iran.

    {apologies Country Joe McDonald}

  • Human2013

    The dialogue thus far demonstrates everything wrong with the right: prioritization and red herring distractions. Either you are too old to still have skin in the game (retired to the farm, grown children) or you’re sadly being manipulated by a deranged few. Nix Benganzhi, the IRS and Dick Cheney’s Super Hero powers and please discuss income inequality, failing schools, climate change, student loan debt, crumbling infrastructure….

    I can only conclude that you no longer have any skin in the game and so you don’t want to focus on REAL American issues.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Here are “real American issues” that affect young and old, children and grandchildren — born and unborn:

      US Federal Debt: $17.5T ($55K/citizen)
      US Federal Unfunded Liabilities: $124T ($1M/taxpayer)

      And if the IRS was goring your crowd and then destroying evidence I am certain you would consider it a “real American issue”.

      • jimino

        Since the per capita NET worth of every American is over $260,000, that doesn’t seem like much debt to carry.

        Did you include all future military spending in your phony “unfunded liabilities” concept? They’re not planning to pillage or sell candy bars to fund those operations, and it would make you numbers WAY more dramatic. But no less nonsensical.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Unfunded liabilities are for the so called ‘entitlements’ of Medicare, SS and Prescription drug coverage. It is an actuarial analysis — hardly “nonsensical”. It represents false promises and lies made by politician.

          And the debt is ONLY the Federal debt. The TOTAL debt per citizen comes in at $193,000 or $757K/family. On the other hand the savings per family is paltry $6,276.

          • jimino

            So your point is that a tiny number of people really do have ALL the money.

      • Ray in VT

        Yeah, how dare they ask groups with highly political terms in their names some questions to make sure that they were eligible for the tax exempt status that they were seeking. That’s downright fascism or communism. Tax exempt status is a right. It’s right there in the Constitution.

      • Don_B1

        And who is that debt owed to? Mostly it will be owed to other U.S. citizens.

        The real debt imposed on our descendants will be the extra costs brought about by the current failure to deal with the causes of climate change, which will impose a huge “tax” on people who will have to rebuild infrastructure every few years and suffer recurring floods and droughts that raise the cost of growing food, as well as causing more frequent disruptions in work schedules, etc.

        Additionally, trillions of GDP will be lost because of the lack of building new capacity for economic growth and letting the skills of long-unemployed workers atrophy to the point that they are no longer considered employable, so they must be supported rather than being contributors to the economy.

        But you like to promote the unthinking “retribution” against people you think are slackers when it is mostly a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      What I conclude from your posting is that you don’t spend any time with people who are not already well steeped in your political ideology. It gives you a jaundiced opinion of the condition of the world. If I maybe so bold as to make a suggestion you would benefit from broadening your experiences. In the same way that a varied diet can lead to good physical health, a varied social interaction can be of benefit to your social health.

      • Don_B1

        The same can be said of your total incomprehension of why your position is wrong in every way, except for an oligarchy.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          I find it charming that some who serve the oligarchy best, do so believing they are working against it.

          And if I may be as bold with you, I would recommend a trip out from under your bridge. It might open your eyes.

  • X Y & Z
    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Thanks to the military-industrial obsession with new toys. Broken soldiers? That’s the VA’s mission. Hoober Doober

    • jimino

      They need to get a job, start paying taxes, and get off the list of 47% of the population the right calls moochers. And that goes for all those so-called disabled and elderly too.

  • HonestDebate1

    Nicole Flax was the chief of staff for Steven Miller the former head of the IRS. During the targeting she was a frequent visitor to the White House. It’s such a shame her emails all accidentally vanished along with Lois Lerner’s and five others.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/19/irs-lost-emails-from-official-that-met-with-top-obama-assistant/

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Amazing! No one who sent or got an email backed up their servers. Why, companies were doing daily and weekly backups back in the 1990s. But Barack Hussein’s government couldn’t bother to show up to work. HD

    • art525

      Yeah, The Daily Caller is a reputable source. For example- someone from The Daily Caller paid Dominican women to claim that Sen Menendez was carrying on with prostitutes. An investigation found no evidence that it was true. And Tucker Carlson is a dweeb and a weasel.

      • HonestDebate1
      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Kill the messenger eh? I guess you believe that John Edwards was framed by the ultra extremist Enquirer.

        • art525

          No. And that has nothing to do with this. Your comment in no way addresses what I said. It couldn’t be less relevant. What drivel.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I am comfortable that I fully demonstated that you comment is based on a logic fallacy. Your former comment attempts to impugn the credentials of the source of the earlier comment. In it you offer no argument that disproves the assertion about Nicole Flax.

        • Ray in VT

          How is it killing the messenger to note that a partisan source ran a piece wherein the sources admitted that they had never met the Senator and were in fact paid to say that they had cavorted with him?

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            If I were to guide my actions by that yard stick I can dismiss all of NPR because of this little incident:

            http://youtu.be/vzadzJ348lQ

            Instead I come here and do what i can to illustrate the bias of this show. At last night’s meeting we had an animated conversation about how we must respond to our critics and to those that believe them. I encouraged more of our members to engage with those in groups that think so badly of us. Not to punch back twice as hard but to break down artificial barriers that have been erected between us. Such barriers serve the interests of a select few and not the National interest.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    “Be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box.”
    Country Joe and the Fish

    • Kathy

      You can be sure it won’t be any Cheney kids.

  • HonestDebate1

    The Benghazi terrorist took State Department cell phones on the night of the attack. They reported to their higher ups on our phones and we were listening. Is anyone still believing the video meme was an honest miscalculation? Or are you too invested in the tangled conspiracy that says the best evidence pointed to the video?

    http://www.humanevents.com/2014/06/12/benghazi-attackers-communicated-using-captured-state-dept-cell-phones/

    • Ray in VT

      Oh, the yucks just keep on coming. Obviously reports linking the attack to the video were fabricated by the administration. The Blood Hound Gang solves another one.

      • HonestDebate1

        It’s not rocket science.

        • Human2013

          You may be better served by studying rocket science..or any science might do.

          I recommend Social Science.

        • Ray in VT

          True, which is why it’s so funny to watch the TOP try to spin its conspiracies.

      • jefe68

        ONe does have to laugh and sigh at the same time. He sure does spend a lot effort posting here.
        It’s not about him though, remember that…

    • nj_v2

      The suspect they apprehended said the video was at least part of their motivation, so there’s that.

      But you go ahead and keep JAQing it, since it’s what you’re best at.

      • HonestDebate1

        Are you still clinging to that?

  • HonestDebate1

    So, we finally got Abu Ahmed Khattala after nearly two years.
    Anybody impressed? They got the videographer right away and Khattala was sitting for interviews with Fox. Surely Obama must have read about it. What took so long?

    • HonestDebate1

      Is there any reason on Allah’s green earth that this thug should be tried in American courts with all the requisite Constitutional protections? He should be in Gitmo.

      • J__o__h__n

        Why wouldn’t you want a trial? In a trial all the reasons for the attack are likely to become public knowledge. Hiding him in Guantanamo forever keeps the government’s secrets.

        • HonestDebate1

          I don’t care what the reason was.

          • jimino

            That has to be in the running for the most dishonest post you have ever written

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t write dishonest post.

            The dude’s an unlawful enemy combatant, why on earth would I want to examine his motives? Or give him the platform to blame America given all the dorks out there so eager to agree?

          • jimino

            When did you cease being interested in the reason for the attack? Or maybe I have misunderstood many of your prior posts on the matter. Do you care or do you think Congress should stop wasting time “investigating”.

          • HonestDebate1

            Maybe the confusion comes from my astonishment at our government manufacturing a reason for the attack. So it is true I care about the the reason in the context of our being lied to but that is not a reflection on the terrorist. I’d want him just as dead if he actually had been motivated by the stupid video.

      • northeaster17

        Unbelievable. If you look at the track record of the military courts vs the civilian courts on this issue the civilian courts win hands down. Your military fetish may feel good but it don’t work.

        • art525

          Don’t confuse him with the facts.

        • HonestDebate1

          He does not deserve Constitutional protections. He should not be given a public platform. It’s a bad idea.

          • Don_B1

            Giving him Constitutional protections does not prevent his being convicted, but it helps debunk any claims that he was “martyred.”

            And that will be a big preventative for at least some future terrorism. But you don’t care if there is a big terrorist attack in the future as long as you can claim President Obama is “weak on terror” when he isn’t.

      • Don_B1

        Just about all the “convictions” obtained in Guantánamo have been overturned because of sloppy judicial decisions made by non-lawyers, etc.

        In contrast, all the trials held within the U.S. in civilian court have resulted in convictions that have held up.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    I will punish my enemies in Iraq.
    –Barack Hussein Obama

    I will punish my enemies in Vietnam.
    –Lyndon Baines Johnson

    Yabba dabba doo.
    –Fred Flintstone

  • keruffle

    Iraq
    New tack
    No boots
    Iran cahoots
    Sectarian
    Barbarians
    More derision
    Bush decisions
    In jam
    Miss Saddam

    @keruffle

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    A great pity Barbara Tuchman* is dead. She could pen a revision to her classic. The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam

    And bring us all up to-date with the current muddle in the middle east.

    * Twice-winner of the Pulitzer Prize {non-fiction}

  • http://www.google.com Big Brother

    Obama math:

    300 troops = 0 boots

    • hennorama

      Big Brother — well …they’re “military advisors,” not troops, so they wear dress shoes and work in remote offices, obviously.

      [PS: And no doubt they've been ordered to not get killed, so they'll be just fine.]

    • HonestDebate1

      He’s sending them in there without a SOFA agreement, they’re sitting ducks. It’s stupid.

      • Don_B1

        But you would have kept some 10,000 or 20,000 in Iraq even without a SOFA because PM al Maliki would not have signed any such agreement as no agreement was what the Iraqi Shia, and Iran, wanted.

    • http://www.google.com Big Brother

      The 300 Americans in Iraq were given framed photos of J. Chris Stevens with the caption, “We won’t abandon you either.”

      • HonestDebate1

        Ouch.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      The new Special forces uniform

      (wait for it)

      Flip Flops.

  • http://www.google.com Big Brother

    Hack Beatty speak:

    Why Obama is right and it is George Bush’s fault.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    That’s the current line: Jack Beatty Crappola. Barack Hussein doesn’t care about that giant sand hole and the people over there.

    He just doesn’t want a Rwanda human slaughter debacle listed as his most important accomplishment — in his Wikipedia history entry.

  • Satwa

    There was no “winning” of Iraq once the war started. Obama called it, quote, “a dumb war” before the invasion, because it would be an instant quagmire, which many of us could see. There were no “correct” solutions after that, That’s why he called it dumb. Stop blaming Obama for trying to clean up a mess that no-one else could clean up.
    – Tom in Vermont.

  • X Y & Z

    Obama 2008: VA will be ‘leader of health care reform’
    http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/obama-2008-va-will-become-a-leader-of-health-care-reform/

  • SjMills

    The question, “Who lost Iraq?” assumes ‘we’ had it to lose. Not so certain of that…

  • reid rhodes

    Why are we listening to the same fools that got us into Iraq in the first place?

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Cheney = Lying Liar Who Lies = War Criminal

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Dick Cheney can’t appear in public without his ventriloquist.. his daughter.

  • Human2013

    Megyn Kelly is starting to sound like a REAL women. I forgive you now for the silly Santa comments.

    • Don_B1

      But beware the deceptive feints into reality, only occasional and always between some real statements of ignorance. But it may be a turning point.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Jack Beatty: “Ha ha ha ha”
    How insightful.

  • creaker

    It was a mess – it is a mess – it will be a mess. The big misconception here is that a good outcome is possible if you just take the right actions.

  • http://www.google.com Big Brother

    Will China send North Korean troops to the Iraqi government?

  • hennorama

    Dick “Yes, That’s What I Call Myself” Cheney’s Freudian slip was interesting. He seemed to automatically invoke “Reagan” when flustered by Megyn Kelly’s questioning.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      He was aghast watching pigs flying …

      • Don_B1

        Blindsided by the “friendly” Fox News Channel !

  • http://www.facebook.com/lee.mortimer.315 Lee Mortimer

    I remember reading that Dick Cheney won’t check into a hotel unless he knows he can watch Fox News there. I wonder if he still has that requirement.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      With the onset of dementia, it’s now the Cartoon Network. HD

      • art525

        How can one tell if Cheney is experiencing the onset of dementia?

  • X Y & Z
  • Coastghost

    What explicit “status of forces” agreement will govern the participation of the 300 Special Forces troops Obama is deploying to Iraq?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Big three network coverage of the IRS lost email stories:

    Nada except for a brief coverage on the CBS morning show.

    http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/abc-nbc-continue-ignore-irs-claim-it-lost-two-years-lois-lerner-emails

    Does anyone believe this story would get similar coverage with a GOP President?

  • creaker

    When all your choices are between bad and worse, it makes it really easy for the other side to stand there and criticize that things are not going well.

    • HonestDebate1

      Especially when you choose worse over and over again.

      • creaker

        Obama’s biggest mistakes have involved continuing policies of the previous administration.

        • HonestDebate1

          I disagree.

          • art525

            Of course you do. That war in Iraq worked out well didn’t it? Mission accomplished?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Barack Hussein chose 300 special forces soldiers because he’s a big fan of: “The 300 Spartans”. The 1962 film. With the same predictable, unhappy results.*

    * The Battle of Thermopylae.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    NBC poll: “54 Percent Say Obama ‘Can’t Lead, Get the Job Done’; ”

    NBC nightly news skips reporting their own poll.

    They NEVER skipped reporting damaging polls of Bush’s performance.

    http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/nbcwsj-poll-54-percent-say-obama-cant-lead-get-job-done-nightly-news-skips-damning-stat

    • northeaster17

      By the end of his 2nd term Bush’s approval rating was about 22%. I’ll bet he would have taken a + 46% any day.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Yeah, but I’m willing to bet ‘history’ will judge Bush-43 much more favorably than O-44.

        • Ray in VT

          Only if that his is being written by the editorial board of the WSJ or some other group similarly predisposed to a rightward bent.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Or the history could be written by Michael Beschloss who declared Obama the “smartest President” in the history of the Republic — and without a smidgeon of evidence I might add.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c50JUQohYwY

        • TFRX

          You got a strange idea of “history”.

          • pete18

            It’s because he doesn’t read Balloon Juice.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        This is an interesting chart:
        http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

        At this same point in their presidencies Bush 37% Obama 42%

    • hennorama

      WftC — OMG, “NBC nightly news skips reporting their own poll.”

      How will the nation ever recover from this devasting blow?

      Here’s a non-report from NBCNews.com (emphasis added):

      The percentage of Americans approving of President Barack Obama’s handling of foreign policy issues has dropped to the lowest level of his presidency as he faces multiple overseas challenges, including in Iraq, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

      Additionally, the public is evenly split on whether Obama is a competent manager of the federal bureaucracy. And a majority of respondents – 54 percent – believe the term-limited president is no longer able to lead the country.

      See:
      http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/nbc-wsj-poll-obamas-foreign-policy-rating-plummets-even-without-n133461

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        It is just another example of media bias and unbalanced reporting. In my view, not healthy for keeping our public servants ‘accountable’.

        • hennorama

          WftC — thank you for your response.

          I infer the following, based on your remarks:

          An editorial decision with which you disagree is “just another example of media bias and unbalanced reporting.”

          The “free press” is only “free” to report the way you want it to report.

          The fact that the poll results were reported on NBCNews.com must also be “just another example of media bias and unbalanced reporting,” and therefore must be ignored.

          Please correct any misinferences.

          Thanks again.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            You get the double prize today Henny.

            NBCNews.com doesn’t get the eyes that the network news gets so it really doesn’t matter what they post there. Nice try.

            Of course they are ‘free’ to exercise their editorial choices….BUT….I was posting MY opinion that the country would be better if they fulfill their journalistic obligation by holding the regime accountable. And for the record I would feel the same way if they were slacking on holding a GOP regime accountable. Nice try again.

  • Kathy

    Ok, I’m in utter shock. Finally? The media is calling John McWar on his BS? Finally?

    Took you long enough.

  • AlanThinks

    John McCain has dementia. He needs to retire before he embarrasses himself more.

    • Kathy

      Too late.

      • art525

        You took those two words right out of my mouth Kathy.

    • creaker

      There’s a very thin line between a raging maverick and a raving lunatic.

    • StilllHere

      It’s clear you know a lot about dementia.

      • nj_v2

        ^ Troll

        • StilllHere

          ^ Douche

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    It’s a conundrum. We yell at Obama to get off the golf course. Then he does something stupid like sending troops to Iraq. And we yell for him to get back on the golf course!

    • art525

      It’s amazing. Right wingers accuse Obama of misdeeds for which George W Bush was much more guilty. You criticize Obama for playing golf. You do know that Bush spent about one third of his disastrous presidency on vacation. 510 days per term. He took more tie off than any president in history, either playing gold or biking. In fact on May 11 2005 when there was a red alert declared at the White House and The Vice President was evacuated Bush was oblivious out riding his bike. So even on supposed work days he was vacationing. When there was an incident with a gunman firing outside the White House in February 2001 Bush was oblivious exercising on his stationary bike at home. Now as far as doing stupid things like sending troops to Iraq who was responisble for that? Who was responsible for that disastous one trillion dollar war? Blame Obama right?

      • William

        Blame Bill Clinton and his Iraq Liberation Act for the Iraq War. Bush II never should have listened to Clinton.

        • Ray in VT

          Of course it’s Clinton’s fault.

          • keltcrusader

            It is amazing, they will do or say anything to pretend that Bush’s didn’t make that decision. Nope, not him, never him. I’m not sure they understand history is recorded and just because they wish it, doesn’t make it so.

          • William

            Clintons (You get one, you get the other one too). Then again, like Hillary said “What difference does it make if President Bush went to war, I voted for it, Congress approved it, twice”. She has a point.

        • northeaster17

          Clinton was way to smart to get suckered into an unwinnable war by the likes of Ahmed Chalabi. Unfortunately for millions others his successors were not.

          • William

            Are you saying the Clinton’s (you get one, you get both), American’s first black President (His words, not mine) was fooled by a rug salesman? Then, you are also saying his wife was fooled to vote for going to war and was fooled by the same guy? Never!. They are the smartest people ever to come out of the Democratic Party since JFK, well, JFK had that thing about hookers and drug addict, so maybe not him, but since FDR, well, he made the depression the Great Depression so forget him, since Wilson, well, he banned blacks from civil service, so forget him. The Clinton’s are sharp crackers and they never make a decision without making sure it’s in their best interest.

        • jimino

          Delusional.. Really.

          • William

            Facts. Just the facts. Some people fell that when Clinton ordered his National Security Adviser Sandy Berger to steal Top Secret documents from the National Archives were part of the Clinton’s plan to cover up his decisions about dealing with Iraq and terrorism. We don’t know since Clinton’s National Security Adviser Sandy Berger destroyed the documents that Clinton wanted removed. Berger was convicted of doing Clinton’s bidding which seems pretty unfair but that is how the Clinton’s “roll”.

          • jimino

            You may be confused about the meaning of words, but when people don’t know what happened and just have a feeling about it, it isn’t a “fact”.

        • Don_B1

          The George W. Bush administration never “listened” to President Clinton. It is clear that the Bush administration was looking for any “excuse” to attack Iraq right from the first day after the 2000 election result was determined.

          I have not seen any significant refutation of the program Why We Did It, hosted by by Rachel Maddow on MSNBC:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbey4hPlrX0

    • JGC
  • Kathy

    If that’s what you’re hearing from folks in the street, fine another street. Maybe one that’s not inside the Beltway.

  • X Y & Z

    Hillary Says She Won’t Turn Over Benghazi Notes

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/10/hillary-says-she-wont-turn-over-benghazi-notes/

    “The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide”. (Obama)

    • jimino

      Your hero, Dick Cheney, went to the US Supreme Court to assure you have no right to know how your government reaches its decisions. So you have him to thank.

      • X Y & Z

        When did I ever say that ‘Dick Cheney was my hero’? But then again, when have you ever concerned yourself with the truth or the facts?

        • jimino

          Well I know which party fought for and won the fight for you not having the right to know what your government is doing, and that’s the GOP.

    • TFRX

      Daily Caller?

      Wow. Way to blow through th ebottom of the barrel.

    • StilllHere

      Hillary obviously has something to hide, this explains why she was so testy during her softball interviews on NPR.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    When Obama can’t think of something important to do, he brings folks into the White House for awards, coffee, scones, huggies.

    When Bill Clinton was president, and couldn’t think of something important to do, well.. you know.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    I spent my teen years looking forward to my draft card. I-A.

  • hennorama

    It’s bizarre how good news becomes bad news when viewed by conservatives/Republicans/TEA Shindiggers:

    Last American military captive released
    Benghazi planner captured without a shot

    • HonestDebate1

      It’s amazing how obscenely out of context bumper sticker quotes can shape a narrative.

      • Ray in VT

        Yes, it’s a tactic that you often employ yet seem to disparage in others. How curious.

        • hennorama

          Ray in VT — to the entity [Debates?NotHe], facts that it doesn’t like become “obscenely out of context bumper sticker quotes [that] can shape a narrative.”

          Sums up its worldview quite well.

          • HonestDebate1

            Do you really think your summation paints an accurate picture? Was “released” the word you wanted? It was a swap for five hardened terrorists at a time when the Middle East is spiraling out of control.

    • pete18

      No worries, the shots will come from the released terrorists sometime in the future.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Sounds like a kidnapping in a sovereign nation who is protesting this violation of their laws. And our own.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    If Iranian secret forces “arrested” Jack Beatty, in his own home or in his office, would he “resist” “arrest”? The rest of us would.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Why not send this guy and our “testimony” to the international court in the Hague. Let’s see what they think about our “arrest” and questioning of the “suspect” at sea in international waters.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Perhaps Barack Hussein has a SECRET arrest warrant outstanding for Vladimir Putin.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    They couldn’t find two years worth of mails. But the IRS did find your return from 10 years ago. You know, the one they’ve been hassling you about?

  • James

    Government incompetence or government malice……on the grand scale of things does it matter.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      When Florida is underwater re: sea level rise, will that matter? HD

      • art525

        Boy can you call them. Do you remember how Bush fiddled while New Orleans flooded?

        • TFRX

          That’s not how Fox News remembers it, Rashomon.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Yes. The former is correctable but forgivable. The latter is criminal and requires prosecution.

  • hennorama

    Just a second … the view from the right is that government is always incompetent, then when government is incompetent by losing electronic documents, they are surprised?

    • HonestDebate1

      Aside from your odd projection (no one says government is always incompetent), I notice you skipped right to believing they were lost. I suppose assuming incompetence is better than assuming corruption.

    • pete18

      Nothing to see here, move along. What was that
      Rose Mary? What?

      • hennorama

        pete 18 –thank you for your response.

        In my albeit limited and anecdotal experience, the IRS is capable of losing just about anything.

        Care to explain the applicability of your Watergate reference?

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Let’s conduct an experiment. Let’s sample 7 IRS employees at random and see if we can retrieve their emails from the period in question OR are we to believe that only the 7 employees under investigation suffered from the ‘rare’ and ‘mysterious’ hard drive failure.

          • Ray in VT

            7, I think, would not be a valid sample size for an organization of that size.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Probably not insignificant if you randomly sample executives that weren’t involved in the scandal.

          • Ray in VT

            That might be closer, but that’s not 7 random IRS employees.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I’m glad to see your ‘all-in’ on the most efficient investigative process. Keep the ideas coming.

          • hennorama

            WftC — TYFYR.

            As I am otherwise occupied, “let’s” not, but please feel free to conduct experiments as you see fit, despite what seem to be your foregone conclusions prior to any experimentation.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Most experimentation results from attempting to prove foregone conclusions. I believe in the science field that would be called an Hypothesis.

        • pete18

          Despite the IRS’s or Nixon’s incompetence, anytime subpoenaed material goes missing it raises red flags.
          That you aren’t the least bit suspicious and are so willing to buy the explanation given is curious.

          • hennorama

            pete18 — TYFYR.

            You assumptions about my views are telling, as usual.

            Conflating these circumstances with Watergate, where numerous crimes were committed and convictions and sentences handed down, is also quite telling.

            Characterizing the emails in question as having “gone missing,” implying that actions were actively taken to make them “go missing,” after being subpoenaed, and despite the documented incidence of the hard drive crash and attempts to recover the data, is also telling.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            And there were those that believed that street criminals broke into the Watergate hotel looking for money for drugs.
            In time they realized they were wrong and they refused to lie to protect the president just because he was a member of their political party.

          • pete18

            It is not an assumption on my part that you believe the IRS’s version of the dog eating the subpoenaed homework.

            ” despite the documented incidence of the hard drive crash and attempts to recover the data, is also telling.”

            What “documented incidence” might that be? The word of the IRS, the group that’s being investigated?

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      I don’t know about the view from the right, but in my limited experience many levels of government over promise and under deliver. If it was a matter of incompetence that would be reason enough to pillory them. But this computer crash story is not just a lie but an insultingly obvious lie. A just solution would entail tar and feathers.

      • JGC

        I don’t think this is an incompetance story, and it’s not an unlawful persecution story: It is mainly a story about how awful and out-of-date our IT service is at the federal level. We have seen this same IT story at the IRS, the VA, and the rollout of Obamacare, and every other federal agency probably. Our procurement for IT services is stuck in the ’90s- make that the 1890s.

  • X Y & Z

    Summertime Blues: Teen Unemployment in Major U.S. Cities Tops 50 Percent

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/summertime-blues-teen-unemployment-major-us-cities-tops-50-percent

    • hennorama

      X Y & Z — please explain:

      You claim that “Virtually everything that comes out of this incompetent Administration is a lie”

      Your treasured source used reports from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is part of “this incompetent Administration”

      Why are you repeating these “lies”?

    • StilllHere

      Could be a violent summer.

    • TFRX

      Dear NPR: Pay attention to CNS and you’ll get lurve from people like that.

      Likewise, hand bullies candy and they’ll be your friend. Until you run out of candy.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The Republican “Study” Group. Perhaps they should study public education. The party seems to be unfamiliar with it.

  • http://www.google.com Big Brother

    The 300 non-troop, military soldiers in Iraq have been given a framed photo of Chris Stevens. The caption reads, “We won’t abandon you either.”

    • warryer

      Heh.

      • jimino

        Are you two cowardly blowhards related to the Cheneys? Or do your priorities allow to to put your actions where your mouths are?

  • Coastghost

    Obama’s CDC (the Federal Centers for Dissemination of Coronaviruses), not content with haplessly overseeing introduction of MERS infections domestically and haplessly documenting BSE contamination in domestic beef supplies, has now haplessly sprung its own anthrax outbreak in its own lab facilities.
    But the Affordable Care Tax Act doubtlessly will inoculate us against all instances of CDC misfeasance and nonfeasance.

  • esaud

    This program should be called “On Republican Talking Points”.
    Lots of vague references to Republican criticism of the President on Iraq, but when you look at what the are actually saying (e.g. McCain “we had it won”) they are to a man utterly delusional.
    A big topic this week by liberal commentary was, why, oh why would anyone listen to Cheney, Kristol, or Feith, to name a few, when they were utterly wrong about Iraq in the first place?
    But of course, this all goes under this program’s radar screen.

  • jimino

    It’s a good thing that the residents of Pilger, Nebraska, as well as other locales destroyed by natural disasters, can depend on the collective relief provided by federal and state governments, aka “we the people”.

    • TFRX

      I’ll gladly be a part of a civilized country with a FEMA and everything.

      But part of me doesn’t want to hear, as I did from an Oklahoman on TV this spring, that “we don’t ask for help, that we pull together in this state and rely on ourselves”.

  • AC

    Minn. is having their 4th 1-1000 year flood in 10 years…why is no one discussing this? What do you climate change nay-sayers think of this?
    “Thirty-five counties in Minneapolis have been declared disaster areas after receiving between three and six inches of rain on Thursday. The Minneapolis/St. Paul area had already seen 20.2 inches of precipitation since the beginning of the year before the latest rainfall. That’s almost twice the 11.77 inches it usually gets by this point in June. There have been four 1-in-1,000 year floods since 2004, according to the Minnesota Climate Office. The Midwest in general has been hard hit, with more than 1,000 homes damaged by flooding.”

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Has anyone serious (with a reputation at stake) tied these floods to “climate change/global warming” or is it just the weather?

      • AC

        of course! me!! what do you think happens to weather when there’s more water in the hydrologic cycle? it also creates new weights and pressures within the earth; i expect to see increases in earthquake activity…

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          But wait, they blamed the droughts in the SW and California on the same “hydrological cycle”.

          Also, how does this compare to ’93?

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1993

          • AC

            yes – it’s all connected; it’s trying to find balance – new wind pressures/storm systems will change what we are familiar with as normal climes
            also 1 in 21 years versus 4 in 10….they could just go ahead and say 5 in 21 years, but then rate of change doesn’t appear to be of importance, and it is!!

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I guess the point is the SW has suffered droughts for millennia. And the midwest has suffered floods for millennia.

            Note the “Great Flood of 1844 and 1951″.

            Sometimes the damage is greater because of increased population density along the waterways.

          • AC

            i’m sorry – i was adding and editing when you replied – the rate of change is important here – of course it’s not ‘unnatural’, all physics will push the system to balance itself out, the fact that it’s occurring very quickly is of concern, nevermind what this is going to do to food prices….

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I’m not sure what is “changing quickly”. Certainly not the temperature. Global temperature has only increased .85C since 1880. The rate of warming was faster in the mid-19th century. And no warming in the last 14 to 17 years depending on which temperature record you look at. Also, the science tells us that the warming increase is mostly in the arctic regions. And since temperature gradients drive storms we should expect less sever weather with this kind of warming.

            I’ll go out on a limb and ‘guess’ that the severe midwest weather this year has more to do with a hangover effect from the polar vortex. Ice-out just happened in Lake Superior — very late (maybe a ‘measured’ record).

          • AC

            i suppose i should mention to picture a topological map in your head as you move the various systems about….i think it makes it easier to grasp why it’s not ‘unexpected’ – but still, that rate of change in it happening it’s what’s unfortunate.

            think of it this way then, on the reports you mentioned we have:
            107 yrs
            42 yrs
            21 yrs
            or rather less, since there’s been that 4 in 10 years – last one i am aware of was 2012, so that’s a 2 year diff…..

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I accept your point. But back to my original question — is this ‘event’ anywhere close to the Great Floods ’93 ’51 or 1844?

            I remember extensive daily coverage of the disaster in ’93 but I’ve only seen a localized mudslide story today and that was because it was near a hospital and caused some severe erosion.

            Maybe it is too early in the season to tell?

          • AC

            i’m not sure; if you really want to dig, the state offers their data here:
            http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/climate/journal/duluth_flooding_120620.html

            also the USGS and NOAA sites prob have stats too

            a 1-1000yr flood is a pretty big a$$ storm system!!
            maybe Texas should build a pipeline to Minn for water, lol!! this would takes years to study tho…

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I suspect our Ethanol policies have larger impact on food prices than any recent weather events.

          • Ray in VT

            There has certainly been an increase in extreme precipitation events in the Midwest over recent years when compared to the middle part of the century:

            http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JHM-D-11-039.1

            Does your comment suggest that climate change cannot cause both more precipitation in one area and less in another hundreds or a thousand miles away?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            No.

        • HonestDebate1
          • AC

            that’s interesting!

    • William

      They had a lot of snow this past year so it melted and now we have a lot of water. This might be tied to the reason why MN is the “land of a ten thousand lakes”. (actually there are 12,000 lakes).

  • TyroneJ

    As everyone in high-tech knows, the desktop & laptop hard drives of Federal employees are irrelevant when it comes to producing copies of emails of Federal workers.

    The brazenness of the IRS on the “missing emails” is truly astounding. Any way you look at it, the IRS is admitting to violating the Law. Just as public companies must archive all email in compliance with the Federal Regulations on Civil Procedures (FRCP), so must Federal agencies under the Federal Records Act. That means all email servers for the Federal government are redundant with all email passing through them archived. In other words, the desktop & laptop hard drives of Federal employees are irrelevant when it comes to producing copies of emails of Federal workers.

    So the IRS is either in violation of Federal Law in how they run their email servers, or they are perjuring themselves to Congress when they claim the emails are “lost”. Either way, the IRS is admitting to breaking the Law.

  • Charles Vigneron

    When I hear Ms Dozier speak about :33m of “American’s want” I am reminded these Americans have forgotten this scenario was, from the beginning of mention of war with Iraq, anticipated; these broad chains of events forcing religious sectarianism were expected.

  • tbphkm33

    What goes through someone’s head when they purchase an Amazon phone??? It is not a tech company – Amazon is the Walmart of the online world, it is a retailer. Wonder if these people would purchase a Walmart branded phone? It is akin to Mc Donalds starting to offer home grocery delivery, who really would rush out to sign up for that?

    Get your Amazon phone… just don’t come crying when it dies at 8 months and you have to buy a new one.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Memo to tbphkm33: Amazon has successfully developed and sold eReaders and tablets for years. Like any tech this isn’t a predictor of future success but not quite their first tech rodeo as you are attempting to portray.

      • tbphkm33

        I know… look at the track record of the Kindle, especially in regards to quality. Does not bode well for those who spring for an Amazon themed smart phone.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          OK, never heard about issues…the folks I know who use Kindles are very happy but I don’t have any personal experience. Also, I do use their app on an iPad and like it.

          • tbphkm33

            To me, the other and larger issue revolves around how Amazon treats their workers. Following the low quality – mass produced junk leader Walmart, Amazon also has a terrible track record when it comes to their workers. I’m not a die hard on this subject, but I do believe if you can’t pay and treat your workers well, then you do not deserve to be in business. Indicates there is a fundamental failure in your business model. Hence, I do champion boycotting Amazon.

            Other online retailers do well and thrive, yet pay their staff well and take care of their own, no reason Amazon could not do the same.

          • hdesignr

            I work for Amazon at one of their many offices in Seattle and I am treated and paid well. Are you specifically referring to a particular department within Amazon? If you are, call it out. Your generalization doesn’t help your case at all.

          • jefe68
          • nj_v2

            Yet, there you are generalizing your “office” experience to all those working in the warehouses, the bad treatment of whom has been extensively documented.

          • warryer

            So really you don’t like Amazon’s phone because of how you think they treat their workers. Using any small chance to express your “larger” views. /sigh

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    From the WaPost: “Global warming of the Earth’s surface has decelerated”
    A good summary and a nice graphic.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/06/20/global-warming-of-the-earths-surface-has-decelerated-viewpoint/

    • harverdphd

      Global warming is a Gore scam.

    • ExcellentNews

      So let’s give an inheritance tax cut to Massie Junior and accelerate his profits….

    • nj_v2

      Haha!

      A phenomenon which deniers claim isn’t happening is now decelerating.

      It’s hilarious how the denial gang careens from one idiotic meme to another.

      Why, look, just below, from one of OnPoint garbage-time’s most prolific troll. (“Global warming is a Gore scam.”)

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    By the way, IRS Commissioner John Koskinen came to that job from being Chairman of Freddie Mac during the housing bust.By the way, IRS

    http://youtu.be/wO4dXTv_eOc

  • JiffSR

    Tom and staff it will be best if you can get experts or people who are ACTUALLY From that region there are so many qualified experts who REALLY KNOW the region since they speak the languages ,understand
    and know the full picture for whats really going on. NOT 1 of those ‘guests’
    who mostly live in North America yeh they may have visited the region or talked to so called our ‘friends/country’ in the Mideast .there are LOTS of Lebanes experts,Egyptians,Libyans,morracans,jordanians etc etc.

    • anon

      I couldn’t agree more. I’ve lived in the Middle East for over 20 years, and I usually find myself thinking that the guests on most US news shows really don’t understand what’s going on in the region. Networks like Al-Jazeera manage to find experts from the region, but US domestic programs normally rely on Washington journalists or think tankers.

      • brettearle

        Can you give us any concrete examples that specifically demonstrate the radical discrepancy that you are pointing to?

        What are the biggest perceptions, facts, and items–as you see them–that journalism in the West has wrong?

        • notafeminista

          Ask TRFX. He’s the expert as to what is or is not acceptable as a source and why.

          • brettearle

            I’m sure Anon is capable of speaking for herself.

            Although we haven’t heard anything yet, now have we?

          • TFRX

            Wow, I have my own personal troll. The sign I’ve arrived.

            I’d like to thank the Academy….

          • brettearle

            Credibility has arrived….

  • JiffSR

    Tom it might better to have ‘guests speakers’ who is and came from the REAL World not someone who hang out in D.C or NY City and claim the wrote a book or have some inside infos. ESPECIALLY when it comes to international politics and world affairs. get people who ACTUALLY from that region. instead of the same boring guests who got the U.S into many bloody wars. . endless wars

    • harverdphd

      Somebody from NYC got us into a war? Gimme his or her name…my cousin Vito will pay him or her a visit. You don’t know me.

  • harverdphd

    “Democrats are soft on terror” Hillary is ready to strangle him.

  • Godzilla the Intellectual

    Hey Dan Snyder… Just change the logo to Redskin (potatoes) and keep the name!

  • davecm

    Did anyone notice how Tom and company blew pass the IRS issue.
    I also noticed how the major Govt. ran news medias, NBC,CBS,ABC, were silent on the issue.
    I should not be shocked, NPR and possibly On Point may be told what to say or not to say!
    The IRS issue smells like and looks like one big cover up.
    First it was a delay, then it was a crash and now it is a total lose of e-mails.
    Wake up America!!!!!
    The Repubs. are being blamed for playing politics, the Dems.blame it on budget cuts and old equip. at the IRS, bull!
    Harry Reid is more concerned about the Redskins logo, what a waste of congressional time.
    The whole Redskin issue is a distraction seeing 91% of Native Americans could care less!
    Top it off, all the little illegals are being shipped to different cities across the country so they can just disappear!
    My country is slowly being destroyed and nobody sees it!!!!!
    Only a few see it!

    • ExcellentNews

      Yeah, it’s even bigger than the Obama birth certificate issue, or the fact that he and Al Gore secretly had a gay marriage ceremony presided by a Muslim imam….

      • brettearle

        And I’m not at all sure that the Imam was Gay.

      • pete18

        Head in the sand, anybody?

      • davecm

        If Bush were still in office I would love to hear your response then!

        • ExcellentNews

          Bush is not in the office anymore. He is giving investment seminars in the Cayman Islands and painting portraits of Putin. Mission Accomplished !!!

  • Sean Christie

    In relation to Iraq and sending troops. All I can think of and said many times to Americans, you guys broke it, you brought it. And let’s not forget many countries that supported the USA in Afghanistan declared the invasion of Iraq illegal and based on false summations (Germany, France, New Zealand etc) and we were put on an enemy list by the Bush admin.

    • harverdphd

      Sean you ignorant slut. The Iraq war was to support Europe’s need for petrol. Are you forgetting the coalition?

      • HonestDebate1

        Chirac made out like a bandit with “Oil for Food”.

  • notafeminista

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10910868/Iraq-crisis-Obama-may-launch-air-strikes-without-Congress-amid-calls-for-Maliki-to-go-live.html

    editing clarification for interested parties – this originally was a link to WSJ however it turned out to be a gated article and therefore not accessible to everyone. The Telegraph link is a substitute.

  • harverdphd

    If you want to blame someone, blame Bush 1.

  • davecm

    Some info. for all you Obama faithful.
    Remember Obama promised premiums for insurance plans would drop by $2500.
    “The Manhattan Institute has released the most detailed study to date about the costs of Obamacare for individual market consumers. The results, based on a county-by-county survey – 3137 counties in all – finds that premiums increased 49% for consumers in the individual health insurance market over the 2013-14 period.”

    Let me hear it, three cheers for Obamacare!!!!

    • ExcellentNews

      It should not come as a surprise that a healthcare plan designed by the Heritage Foundation (a Republican Think Tank) ends up costing more to working Americans and putting more money in the pockets of few executives.

      Obama said as much himself. Yet, something had to be done in 2008 because the system was going from bad to worse. And what was done was the only thing that Republicans said they would not veto.

      That’s what you get when you “reach across the aisle”. This is what we should have done instead:

      1) National Health Care System
      2) 75% marginal tax rate on incomes above $1,000,000
      3) Trade only with countries that match our labor, democracy and environmental standards.

      • pete18

        “It should not come as a surprise that a healthcare plan designed by the Heritage Foundation (a Republican Think Tank)”

        Not true of course but good to know that you admit Obamacare is a disaster.

        Here’s the specifics of what Heritage did and didn’t do :

        “1) Did not propose a mandate for routine health care.

        2) Later withdrew all support of any type of a mandate.

        3) Recognized that any such mandate is unconstitutional.

        4) Argued to the Supreme Court (via briefs) that any such mandate was at odds with individual liberty.”

        http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/heritage_vs_obamacare.html

        • ExcellentNews

          1) It did. Obamacare (and Romneycare in MA) are the Heritage plan.

          2-4) Heritage disowned their own plan when it became politically expedient, in order to sabotage Obama in 2009. That’s intellectual honesty, Republican-style.

          Of course, logic and fact should not bother those who affirm the Earth is 6000 years old…

          • pete18

            The Heritage plan was bad and would not have received much Republican support if offered by a Republican president in 2009, but it was vastly different from Obama care. It mandated employer coverage and catastrophic individual coverage but not “routine care” (no one was forced to buy maternity coverage if they didn’t want it), which is one of the big factors driving up the costs of Obamacare.

            Nice try trying to blame conservatives for this horrific plan, but the democrats own it all, hook, line and stinker.

      • JONBOSTON

        Your policy prescriptions would likely cause either a recession that makes the last 5 years look like a period of dynamic economic growth or another depression. For example , a 75% marginal rate for someone living in California would result in an 88% tax rate , in New York 85% rate ( 89% if residing in in NYC). The net result would cause a catastrophic halt to investment and flow of capital from the US. Where in the world have your ideas resulted in economic growth, increased employment, and greater national wealth? The former Soviet Union? China before the 1990′s? Cuba? or even France? Your envy and resentment of those who have earned some measure of success and wealth is palpable..

        • Godzilla the Intellectual

          Gonna have to agree with you there.
          75% is bizarre.

        • ExcellentNews

          Where? How about Western Europe and the USA? Where high progressive taxes, wise trade policies, and effective government participation in the economy (R&D…etc) created something the world had never seen before – prosperity and quality of life for the majority of people, now known as the “middle class”.

          Western Europe is still hanging on there, but the conservative policies we’ve been pursuing in the last 20 years have made sure we’ve fallen behind them in most quality of life statistics – and that fall is accelerating as the US is “racing to the bottom”. It’s nice of you to bring up the last 5 years, but you should remember what brought the crash of 2008. Hint – it was not Obamacare.

          Soviet Union? Cuba? What’s the connection? These were communist dictatorships with no private property, individual freedom, or labor rights. There is no connection – we are talking about the return of social democracy to the US, and the re-building of prosperity for the MAJORITY of Americans (not the 0.01%).

          Finally, you make too many gratuitous assumptions. “Envy and resentment of those who have earned…”? As someone who HAS earned it myself and knows how HARD it is, I simply do not want my children to live in a north American version of the Philippines or Saudi Arabia. Which is what motivates people like Warren Buffet and George Soros to political action. And to me, you sound like someone who has inherited “it” – but then again, its just an assumption.

          Turn off Pox News for a moment and read some history and science books.

          • JONBOSTON

            False assumption. My parents were solidly middle class. I made it all on my own and happen to be senior counsel for one of the largest international corporations in the world. France fits your policy prescription of socialism ( including what turned out to be a disastrous 75% marginal rate) and suffers from a 20 year period of economic stagnation including persistent 10% unemployment. Their record of “accomplishment” has been the fifth worst performance among advanced economies. Suggest you read an economics textbook and drop your envy and resentment of successful Americans. You might also read the op-ed in today’s Sunday NYTimes on inherited wealth where the economic argument is laid out by Mankieu. You seem to have a real problem with people who have worked hard, paid their taxes, saved their money, and transferred on death whatever they could to their kids. You must have consulted for a lot of polo types to develop the resentment you have.

      • Godzilla the Intellectual

        75%??? What planet are you on? Even 40% is high for individuals.

  • davecm
  • JONBOSTON

    Thursday’s program on the situation in Iraq is On Point at its best . Highly recommend your listening to it if you haven’t already done so. I would imagine that many people feel as I do that the present chaos is unacceptable if not frightening , but what strategy is likely to succeed? Excellent guests , especially Barry Posen who makes a compelling argument to do very little but try and contain the situation, much like how we are dealing with Yemen. Iraqis had their chance at some semblance of reconciliation , inclusion and political moderation after the surge but Obama’s failure to secure a stay of forces agreement and leave behind a sufficient number of troops left us with no ability to influence Maliki toward a path of inclusion with moderate Sunnis and Kurds. So why would Maliki listen to us now and not Iran? And why would Sunnis and Kurds want to rejoin a Maliki led government or any government led by Shia? In effect the country has been partitioned and there’s little we can do to reverse that. Finally , why should the American people have any confidence in Obama and his national security team of buffoons? Better we do nothing than have this pretend president, this staggering incompetent initiate any significant military response. We’re probably safer when this unqualified empty suit does his innumerable fundraisers and golf outings.

    • Godzilla the Intellectual

      Facepalm.

      • JONBOSTON

        your brilliance overwhelms me

        • Godzilla the Intellectual

          I’ve only shared but a wisp of it. if you are overwhelmed now, I worry for the state of you if I decide to unleash my intellect.

  • Godzilla the Intellectual

    95% of those who post on this forum need lessons both in humility and in how utterly banal and ignorant they are. Many of them should have their internet activity monitored by a parent or legal guardian. From that perspective, I almost can’t blame the NSA for domestic spying, with so many intellectually disabled, arrogant simpletons who think they have the solution to the world’s problems and feel a solemn duty to share their genius with the world. You all need to be dominated and taught a lesson. YOU KNOW NOTHING.

    If you had any intelligence at all, you would be questioning your own political beliefs, thoughts and bias.

    I have no problem with arrogance by itself. I am arrogant. Nor do I have a problem with ignorance by itself. But the two combined greatly vex me. You all should shut the hell up until you actually know what you are talking about. Go back to school. Demand the creation of a degree beyond the the PhD, like maybe a D.Litt… Take some Alpha Lipoic Acid. DO SOMETHING TO INCREASE YOUR INTELLIGENCE I can’t stand it anymore. You’re SO stupid!

    Signing off this website, possibly for good.

    Peace.

    • pete18

      Humility in action.

      • Godzilla the Intellectual

        The only thing that gives me the right to question the egos of others is because I have questioned my own ego FIRST.

        • pete18

          A self assessment about one’s own humility and introspection is the epitome of a tainted jury.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            I take what you said to mean one ought never judge others… In that case, I have no choice but to concede your point.

            But judging the ACTIONS of others is often appropriate and healthy.

          • pete18

            No, actually what I mean is if one is condemning others for not being humble in a way that is full of conceit it is a meaningless and hypocritical gesture. In addition, if one uses self assessment as evidence of one’s own status, it compounds the hollowness of the action since you would be using the least objective witness.

            Critiquing the actions of the left, right and center, or advocating a new forth way is all great, in my opinion but better to show us how humble and smart you are through your actions and ideas rather than to proclaim everyone else to be idiots.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            Self assessment is the ONLY means of evaluating humility.

            Since humility is an internal state, it can not be objectively measured from outside.
            Only modesty can be measured externally, and modesty is not the same.

            Furthermore. since humility is an internal state, you have no way of knowing if I was feigning arrogance for some reason, while my internal state was that of humility.

            Thus, your argument is a logical fallacy.

            Anyone who tries to show others they are humble is a narcissist. Since only someone with a massive ego would presume to do so, since humility cannot be measured externally. Thus, such a person is only putting on a show, or being modest.

            The only other possibility is not that someone has cultivated humility, but rather that they ARE humble (meaning a simpleton or destitute). I am not a simpleton, and I don’t discuss my financial affairs, so let’s assume any humility I have must be cultivated.

            Never try and debate someone whose name is Godzilla the Intellectual.

          • pete18

            “Self assessment is the ONLY means of evaluating humility.”

            Motivation and results are not always the same thing. There are some agreed upon social terms about actions that are considered humble. Usually bragging about your own actions and condemning those of others don’t fit the criteria.

            “Furthermore. since humility is an internal state, you have no way of knowing if I was feigning arrogance for some reason, while my internal state was that of humility.”

            Nor you the internal state of all the posters you castigated with your broad brush.

            “Never try and debate someone whose name is Godzilla the Intellectual. You will lose.”

            Self proclamations of victory are about as impressive as those of introspection, humility, and…. sanity.

            ““I’m Jesus Christ, whether you want to accept it or not, I don’t care.” ― Charles Manson

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            “There are some agreed upon social terms about actions that are considered humble. ”

            I wasn’t referring to that which is CONSIDERED humble. I was referring to TRUE humility.

            You’re just not smart enough to keep me interested in the conversation.

          • pete18

            ” I wasn’t referring to that which is CONSIDERED humble. I was referring to TRUE humility.”

            Man, you sound more and Mansonesque with every post.

            I am impressed with how impressed you are with yourself. I’m sure one of these days you’ll actually post something impressive too.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            Except I never claimed to be Jesus Christ.

            I have no idea why would compare me to Jesus Christ or charles manson.

            Thus, your statement is as banal as it gets, and you have made yourself appear unstable.

            If you are implying that Only Jesus Christ can be humble, I feel sorry for you…

            Humble seems to have several definitions.

            Among them are:
            1. Modest (humble in appearance or manner)

            2. Not proud : not thinking of yourself as better than other people. Meek.

            I was consistently referring to the second definition, which is not concerned with appearances, but ONLY reality.

          • pete18

            “I have no idea why you are comparing me to Jesus Christ or to charles manson.”

            I’m comparing you to Manson because you both seem share the delusion that
            saying something about yourself makes it so.

            “I was consistently referring to the second definition, which is not concerned with appearances, but ONLY reality.”

            Your posts fit neither definition.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            Just go back to school, Petey. Learn basic deduction and logic.

          • pete18

            Spoken like a humble intellectual with 20 degrees.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            Sounds like a “ditty” from “Mad Men”.

    • JONBOSTON

      Obama has an undergrad degree from Columbia, law degree from Harvard and taught constitutional law at Univ of Chicago. So much for your argument and undeserved arrogance.

      • Godzilla the Intellectual

        Obama doesn’t post on this forum…

        LOL. Perhaps learn reading comprehension before you try debate.

        • JONBOSTON

          I read your post and was impressed by your smugness and shallow intellectualism. And my point is that degrees from top 20 universities (if you have one) mean absolutely nothing–witness your comments and the staggering incompetent in the Oval office…Other than telling readers how impressed you are with yourself, you have nothing to say or add to this blog.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            There is nothing shallow about me, or my intellectualism. Degrees from top 20 universities mean you have played the game of the academy, well.

            Obama is just one man attempting to govern a nation that is more partisan than ever, with the opposing party in control of congress.

            I am not a fan of Obama. But I am intelligent enough to know blaming him for everything wrong with the country is just a convenient way to avoid looking at the truth, continue being in denial, and avoid gaining control over your own unruly ego.

            In addition, Obama one of the best orators this nation has seen in decades. That skill alone requires a high degree of intelligence to acquire.

            I have added more value to this blog than all other users have, combined, since I’ve been listening to On Point, which is about 2 years.

            Be honest, are you developmentally disabled?????

          • HonestDebate1

            Obama is a horrible President, just horrible. That’s my only problem with him.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            You are a Republican and have an obligation to be an Obama basher.

            Therefore, you are biased and lack credibility.

          • HonestDebate1

            I’m not a Republican. My only obligation is honest debate.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            You have never voted Republican or identified as Republican?

            Okay, then perhaps you do have credibility.

            I don’t think Obama is a horrible president. I think he is about average. I think he got stuck with an impossibly partisan nation. And I’m not a Democrat.

          • JONBOSTON

            To be honest I was wondering the same about you. Are you developmentally disabled or is your act one big joke? Obama is a staggering incompetent and frankly you sound like a blithering idiot.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            If I sound like a blithering idiot, you REALLY are suffering from a severe form of delusion, since you CAN’T HEAR ME. We are TYPING.

            If you are using the phrase “sound like” in a non-literal way, to mean I “come across as” a blithering idiot, I would likewise advise you to seek emergency mental health care.

            When sanity, truth and fact, SEEM stupid, it’s a sure sign you are losing your grip on reality.

            I advise you to seek professional mental health care immediately, even possibly check yourself into a mental health facility.

            I can recommend a few good institutions if that would be helpful. Just let me know.

            Good luck. it SEEMS like you’re going to need it.

  • HonestDebate1

    As a sizable contingent on the left readily accepts the administration’s claims of incompetence in losing the IRS emails, it seems lost on them that the “kick the can” strategery has given the IRS ample time to shred, burn or otherwise destroy documents with reckless abandon. Why wouldn’t anyone suspect chicanery with their record of obfuscation? If the records are truly gone then it was not an accident.

    Sandy Berger went into the national archives and shoved documents down his pants. He got away with it. This is how the left rolls.

    • Godzilla the Intellectual

      For the love of all things sacred, give it a rest! How can you live with yourself droning on incessantly about banal drivel… it seemingly never ends with you. You are a very ver sad human being. A tragic figure. Do something else with your life besides trying to convert those who are staunchly opposed to your views and suffering from their own brand of ignorance equal to yours.

      Why do I always feel extremely nauseous and like I need to take a shower after simply reading the rapey comments on this forum?

      Your mind is like an empty husk for the possession of the highest bidder.

      • HonestDebate1

        Wow, you sure are smart.

        • Godzilla the Intellectual

          Examine WHY you are a conservative. Where did it arise in your life? Why do you feel the way you do? What purpose does it serve? What does conservative mean? Who benefits from you being a conservative? Is there such a thing as non-partisan truth? Does anyone suffer when conservative policies are in place? Does anyone suffer when liberal policies are in place? What possible alternatives are there? What is the healthiest and best thing for society as a whole and why? Why do we have a two party system? Why aren’t other parties allowed to participate in the primaries? Who benefits from a two party system? Would society benefit from having more parties? Why or why not?
          Do things always get worse before they get better? Do we need to sacrifice something in order to produce a better and healthier society? Is non-partisan truth valuable in its own right? If what Jesus said is true, “And the truth shall set you free,” How can we in the United States have freedom without having secular and non-partisan truth?

          • HonestDebate1

            I am certainly introspective enough to have asked myself, and answered, those questions decades ago. But it’s not about me.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            I am curious what answers you came up with, if you would like to share.

            I will give you fair warning though. I will almost certainly skewer your logic and prove your reasoning ill-conceived, philosophically.

          • HonestDebate1

            I am not interested in justifying my views to you. Again, it’s not about me. If you want to refute something I wrote then fine, I will defend it. So far you have not.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            What you said is absolutely correct. But it is still a WASTE OF TIME.

    • John Cedar

      You do not understand your enemy. The left is not ignorant. Many of them know what happened. The problem is that they don’t care. Or more accurately…they like what happened.

      • HonestDebate1

        Ah, but I do understand the enemy. And I agree with you regarding most of the left in positions of power. However many here just swallow it all whole without curiosity.

        I recently asked this blog what Obama has made better and one commenter replied “everything”. It’s those in that sycophantic bubble who I was addressing.

        • Godzilla the Intellectual

          Yes, the left is completely insane.

          But… So is the right!

          • HonestDebate1

            I have always regarded the notion that they are all the same as the first step away from ideological blindness. Congrats, good luck with the rest of your journey.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            I have stated in other places on this forum I am a Left-Libertarian with emphasis on cooperative corporations, binary economics for the poor, Ecological economic policy with carbon fees that get redistributed equally among all taxpayers, and other visionary solutions.
            I also think corporate personhood needs to be repealed, education overhauled and a national sales tax needs to gradually replace the IRS. I am in favor of legalizing and taxing ALL drugs, and instituting restorative justice courts for all non-violent offenses.

            I AM THE CANDIDATE AMERICA NEEDS RIGHT NOW.

            And I would run for office in a HEARTBEAT if other parties were allowed in the primary.

        • nj_v2

          ^ Doesn’t know what the “left” is.

          Doesn’t know what a blog is.

          Cites Christopher Booker as a serious source.

          Intellectual black hole.

          • HonestDebate1

            Not only do I know what the left is, I know what’s right.

        • John Cedar

          Oh jeesh, I don’t know what to believe anymore. I just assumed because a normal person would infer the obvious…that IRS emails were destroyed on purpose, for instance…that a leftist here would be bright enough to infer the same.

          I even see it in their defensive arguments. The way they dismiss the Obama IRS scandal because the ends justifies the means and those evil TP people did not deserve the tax status they sought.

          But I am probably overestimating the enemy.

  • Godzilla the Intellectual

    ALL POLITICS IS SHOW BUSINESS. Ronald Reagan was literally an actor, trained at acting school.

    The left is a charade. The right is a charade. Those who sincerely buy into one narrative or the other are brainwashed, or at least manipulated. Or even worse, they know the truth but are amusing themselves for the sake of entertainment and lying to themselves about it. Because both sides are a charade.

    Please wake up.

    • John Cedar

      Phew…glad you didn’t single out us centrists.

      • Godzilla the Intellectual

        Centrists are the worst of the worst. Because they believe centrism is possible, and a good idea.

        How can the center of two polar opposite forms of insanity be a good idea?

        Sociology has proven mores, ideals and norms change with the culture and society. Meaning centrists in one culture and one time in history are not centrists in another culture and another time in history.

        The whole charade of right and left is simply to engineer “centrism”. This is why Reagan has been praised by Obama. Your beliefs have been carefully constructed by very smart political scientists.

        Time to deconstruct.

        • John Cedar

          I am more of a renaissance man than a political scientist, but I can see how you would mistake me for one.

  • HonestDebate1

    The claim that Obamacare was conceived and designed by the Heritage Foundation is one that is leveled often around here. Set aside the absurdity of the notion on the merits, what does it say about the views of the accusers? If they thought Obamacare was good of America would they be giving the credit to Heritage? No, they are blaming Heritage because Obamcare sucks.

    • Godzilla the Intellectual

      Obamacare was conceived by whoever Mitt Romney hired to figure out Massachusetts health care plan.

      • HonestDebate1

        Alrighty then.

        • Godzilla the Intellectual

          Or, more accurately, Obamacare was conceived by Obama, and modeled after the heritage foundation’s plan.

  • Godzilla the Intellectual

    If what Jesus said is true, “And the truth shall set you free,” How can we in the United States have freedom without having secular and non-partisan truth? And, if the government keeps secrets to protect us FROM the truth, can we still have freedom?

    • brettearle

      It is sometimes possible that revealing government secrets can threaten national security.

      Not all that remains hidden, from private citizens, I believe, would be serve the public well–if it were revealed.

      At the same time, it is deplorable that after 9/11, technology is being exploited, more and more, to bring us to a 1984 Reality sooner, perhaps, than thought possible.

      • HonestDebate1

        Whoda’ thunk 1984 would arrive so soon as 2014?

      • Godzilla the Intellectual

        Your statements pretty much ignore the main point of mine. Security and freedom are often at odds.

        We must choose which is more important.
        Secrets may ensure security but they destroy freedom.

        • brettearle

          Your comments, not just `pretty much’, but TOTALLY ignore the nuance of Privacy vs Public.

          It is NOT All or Nothing.

          You fall victim to the politics of, “Either you’re with us or against us”.

          The whole point of NSA is to protect security not to abuse privacy.

          You CAN try to protect security WITHOUT abusing Privacy.

          If NSA breaches privacy then it needs to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

          But that doesn’t mean it CAN’T try to protect national security, without breaching our privacy.

          Happens all the time.

          You don’t know what you are talking about.

          You think everything’s a conspiracy and it isn’t.

          Your main point is NOT a point.

          It is a viewpoint of political zealotry–without looking at Reality.

          I support privacy as much as any Civil Libertarian. And so do many who support the point of view, I explain above.

          Not only that but your extreme Dogma compelled you to ignore my final paragraph,

          “At the same time, it is deplorable that after 9/11, technology is being exploited more and more, to bring us to a 1984 Reality sooner, perhaps, than thought possible.”

          It is people like you that contribute to the breakdown of discourse–both in this Forum and in general.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            I never mentioned the NSA, nor was I referring specifically to the NSA. I was speaking more broadly. There are government secrets you and I are not aware of. Hence why they are called secrets. I surmise there are government secrets that would genuinely surprise or shock us.

            Nuance in politics is just another way of manipulating the public.

            Everyone knows congress is bought by political donations. This is not news.

            Lobbyists, campaign donations considered free speech.

            How can a congressman stay true to his or her constituents when their election depends on large donations?

            There is a difference between a “conspiracy” in the colloquial sense and a few government officials or quasi-corporate officials keeping something “deep black”.

            That DOES happen ALL THE TIME.

            I never said EVERYTHING was a conspiracy.

            So far, you have made two statements about me that were not true.

            Seems YOU don’t know what you are talking about.

            I am not interested in discourse for the sake of discourse (a circle jerk). I am interested in TRUTH… ONLY TRUTH.

            Are there large numbers of people and even governments who can’t handle TRUTH. Absolutely.

            Does truth compromise national security. I am sure in some cases it might.

            Is that the fault of those seeking truth? NO. Is it the fault of those who chose to keep the secret?

            Yes.

            Even if truth compromises national security, it STILL MUST be made public.

            The issue is not that truth compromises national security. The issue IS, that unless ALL the secrets of ALL the governments of the last 80 Years are made public SIMULTANEOUSLY, the imbalance of some secrets being public and others kept clandestine WILL compromise national security.

            it is the imbalance of some things brought to the court of public opinion and other things not, THAT is what compromises security.
            Thus, philosophically, I subscribe to the original hacker ethos that ALL information should be freely accessible by any free citizen.

            IN fact, the VERY BEST ARGUMENT for a one world government that I have ever come up with is, simply, that all government secrets could be exposed because there would be no opponent governments to retaliate.

            Thus, reparations could be made to groups of citizens through the legal system.

            Just my humble opinion.

            Go back to school Brett. You frequently seem to be fumbling around in the dark. Take a philosophy class.

          • brettearle

            I feel so terribly, terribly humbled that I may have to take a shower.

            But I doubt that I can erase the stench thrown on us from Alchemical Reaction….or his Clone.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            Can’t muster up an intelligent reply?

            Sad.

          • brettearle

            I feel so destroyed I simply don’t know what to do!

            Please declare victory! Oh….please? I need to be released from these shackles.

            Please sir….I want more…

            And…WHO….just WHO….will have the last word?

            Please tell me! I simply must know the answer to that question, too!

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            You win.

          • brettearle

            Who will have the Last Word?.

            Will it be Alchemical?

            In this case, The Truth has the last word
            –but only AFTER the last person has spoken.

            Please sir….I want more…

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            “The Truth has the last word
            –but only AFTER the last person has spoken.”

            I adore Taoist rhetoric!

          • brettearle

            The Truth has the last word.

            But only after one’s need to massage one’s ego, or another’s ego, has been tamed and put into its proper trivial place.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            BUMP!

          • brettearle

            Who has the last word?

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            Are you homosexual?

          • brettearle

            Who has the Last Word?

            And please don’t make me Flag your comments, should they start moving in any sort of improper direction.

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            Sorry my friend. That last one was just meant to get under your skin.

            You are welcome to have the last word if you wish…

          • brettearle

            At least your Ego is receding.

            The Full Moon has passed..

          • Godzilla the Intellectual

            That, and I got bored…

          • brettearle

            Who has the Last Word?

    • HonestDebate1

      Ask Ben Franklin about that.

  • Godzilla the Intellectual

    What we need is other parties ALLOWED to participate in the primaries.

    • JGC

      Is it more important for a politician to have a high IQ or a high EQ?

      • Godzilla the Intellectual

        Since politics is the art of the falsehood, it’s irrelevant.

        We need to incentivize telling the truth.

  • HonestDebate1

    “The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

    • nj_v2

      Christopher Booker!?

      Hahahahahahahaha!!!!

      http://www.desmogblog.com/christopher-booker

      Background

      Christopher Booker is an English journalist, author, and has been a columnist for The Sunday Telegraph since 1990. [2]

      Booker has opposed the scientific consensus on numerous issues including global warming, the link between second-hand smoke and cancer, and the negative health effects of asbestos. [3], [4]

      According to The Carbon Brief, despite the agreement of major agencies including the World Heath Organisation and the US Department for Health and Human Services that all forms of asbestos are carcinogenic to humans, Booker has also repeatedly claimed white asbestos“poses no measurable risk to health”. [5]

      In 2009, he published The Real Global Warming Disaster, described by The Observer as “the definitive climate sceptics’ manual”. [6]

      (excerpts)

      • pete18

        “Booker has opposed the scientific consensus on numerous issues including global warming, the link between second-hand smoke and cancer,”

        Well, since he seems to be right on that one I guess we should pay attention to him:

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/12/study-finds-no-link-between-secondhand-smoke-and-cancer/

        • nj_v2

          One, non-peer reviewed report at a conference interpreted by a voice of corporatism. Dozens of other studies showing the opposite.

          You decide.

      • HonestDebate1

        The work was done by Steve Goddard. It shows actual data was replaced with data from
        models. What’s Booker got to do with that?

        • pete18

          Convenient messenger to blame instead of responding to content?

    • JGC
    • ExcellentNews

      I second this !!! The temperature in my fridge is the coldest ever too !!! Global warming must clearly be a hoax by millionaire scientists, Al Gore, and Smokey The Bear…

  • Godzilla the Intellectual

    Fundamentally though, secrets destroy freedom in the civic sense because they limit a citizen’s ability to have access to the most important information regarding an election or referendum.

    Without accurate information how can a citizen be expected to carry out one’s civic duty of voting, with insight and decisiveness?

    THEY CAN’T

  • Godzilla the Intellectual

    Admit when you’ve lost a debate.

  • ExcellentNews

    Republican economic theory:
    – Privatize profits, nationalize losses.

    Republican political theory:
    – Take credit for success, blame other for failure.

    Eerily similar….

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