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U.S. Borders Swamped By Child Migrants

A new wave of young children are riding the rails through Mexico and crossing the U.S. border — alone.  We’ll ask why.

Brian Duran, 14, of Comayagua, Honduras collects his line-dried laundry at the Senda de Vida migrant shelter in Reynosa, Mexico, June 3, 2014. Duran traveled alone to the U.S.-Mexico border and hopes to soon become one of the more than 47,000 unaccompanied children to enter the United States since Oct. 1, 2013. (AP)

Brian Duran, 14, of Comayagua, Honduras collects his line-dried laundry at the Senda de Vida migrant shelter in Reynosa, Mexico, June 3, 2014. Duran traveled alone to the U.S.-Mexico border and hopes to soon become one of the more than 47,000 unaccompanied children to enter the United States since Oct. 1, 2013. (AP)

The numbers of children surging over the southern US border now – unaccompanied, as young as six – is just staggering.  Forty thousand-plus since October.  Up 90 percent.  Still growing, flooding in.  Coming up from Central America, Mexico. Coming a thousand miles and more from Honduras.  Scared north by vicious gangs.  Terrorized along the way.  And now, piling up in US facilities not designed for an influx of kids.  This hour On Point: the new flood of child migrants at the US border – what’s sending them north, and what happens with them now.

– Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Sonia Nazario, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. Author of “Enrique’s Journey.” (@SLNazario)

Michael Seifert, coordinator of the Rio Grande Equal Voice Network.

Jennifer Harbury, lawyer with the Texas-Rio Grande Legal Aid Office.

Allison Ramirez, worker in a USAID-funded violence prevention program in San Salvador.

From Tom’s Reading List

Vox: Thousands of children are fleeing Central America to Texas — alone – “The situation has reached a crisis point, and policymakers still can’t agree on how to fix it. This Monday, President Obama asked Congress for an extra $1.4 billion to handle the rise in child migrants. He also announced that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) would coordinate a new multi-agency response. Congress, meanwhile, is divided on the issue. Two Republican-led House Committees are promising to hold hearings on the topic.”

NPR: Riding ‘The Beast’ Across Mexico To The U.S. Border — “There’s a network of freight trains that runs the length of Mexico, from its southernmost border with Guatemala north to the United States. In addition to grain, corn or scrap metal, these trains are carrying an increasing number of undocumented immigrants whose aim is to cross into the U.S. And despite the many deadly challenges it poses, more and more children — both with adults and alone — have been making the risky journey. ”

Arizona Republic: Child migrants are America’s great shame – “In the past eight months, 47,000 children have been apprehended along the southwest border. This represents a steady increase from 2009. The numbers could reach 60,000 this year, according to AP.Most are from Central America, and increasing numbers of them are girls and children younger than 13.”

A List of Suggested Resources For Those Interested in Helping Migrant Children 

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  • Yar

    This is a twist on the classic story of saving babies from the river. Who is willing to metaphorically go upstream and truly understand the causes? Could it be global capitalism where we in the privileged class buy products with no regard to their origin? Pink sweaters from Guatamala get replaced by smart phones from Asia, our discretionary dollars jump all over the globe with no regard to what local economies we disrupt. Drugs and human trafficking replace other global commodities as our whims shift from product to product. Simply put there is a wake of exploitation in global capitalism, free trade only frees the traders to exploit poor communities. We can’t go upstream for we are too busy pulling babies out of the river.

    • Yar

      Some of the babies are saved, but many more are lost. Please go upstream and understand the causes, we will find that our immigration policy is designed to enslave. It is directly connected to agricultural policy intended to keep food prices low.
      Slavery is on your plate, chew carefully.

      • Pleiades

        You forgot to mention the intended consequences for the average American.

    • James

      Would you rather we not buy these products? Because if you raise the price to adjust for some perceived social injustice, a certain percentage of the US population won’t be able to afford the product. Thus they won’t buy it, thus businesses won’t be able to do as much business, thus they won’t be able to employ as many impoverish Latinos.

  • AC

    how does the idea first occur to these children? i know people who won’t let there kids walk a few blocks to school alone….what a difference…

    • Pleiades

      This is a direct result of the fact that President Obama has a quest to let the “Dreamers” (as they are called) have amnesty. This information has filtered back to a variety of locations in Central America through illegal and legal immigrants already here.

      Once a illegal immigrant child or adult finds the amnesty provision potentially available it creates the desire to obtain it at any cost.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    An unintended consequence of Obama’s dreamer, amnesty and border enforcement policies. Or maybe not so “unintended”.

    • Yar

      Why is it ICE is arresting people leaving the country?
      http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/immigration/obama-administration-arresting-immigrants-trying-leave-us

      I think it is intended to keep people in slavery. This issue is much bigger than one president, it is endemic to our culture of exploitation. Why don’t we have immigration reform? Because current policies work for some employers!

      • northeaster17

        One reason there is no real move towards reform is the continuing foolishness so aptly demonstrated by the Boehner run House.

        • azt24

          Obama has stopped reform by demonstrating contempt for the existing immigration laws. If he doesn’t respect the current law, what’s the point of passing a new one? He’ll just disrepect that tool.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Yes…and the current, insane, anchor baby policy works for some politicians too.

    • northeaster17

      That did not take long. Conversely I suppose once Obama’s gone most of our problems will be solved. I just want to know who your going to blame the weather on

      • Lawrence

        Well, Obama’s declaration to grant amnesty to 20 million illegal immigrants didn’t actually deter this illegal activity.

        And wasn’t it right before the election, when he needed that all-important Hispanic vote in Florida?

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    Why don’t these kids go to Olancho?

    • X Y & Z

      Why won’t you take credit for what you posted here, Alchemical Reaction?

  • northeaster17

    These kids need help and if any country can do help it’s America. They know it but many of us do not.

  • MO

    A reminder that the brilliant realistic 2009 feature film “Sin Nombre” is a superb telling of the story of a Honduran girl’s struggle to get to the USA by train — the very topic you’re focusing on today.

  • AnneDH

    Here’s a survey question for everyone:

    Do you think 2 meals a day (breakfast & lunch) are enough for children?

    • AnneDH

      This is a related question. This is what the Fed gov’t feeds needy inner-city children.

      • HonestDebate1

        It is not the government’s job to feed children. If they want to help the inner cities then they should go in there and eradicate the gangs, fire some school administrators and bring order to the classroom. If a parent is letting their kid go hungry then call social services.

        • 1Brett1

          You live in a very simplistic world. It’s typical of a libertarian to offer platitudes and overly simple solutions to complex problems, whose whole social/political philosophy is based on overly simple and unrealistic views.

          • HonestDebate1

            I thought she was merely asking if two meals were enough.

          • 1Brett1

            Ostensibly, another dishonest response on your part…I can’t vouch for what you “thought”/think, only for what you write, and I was replying to your list of “solutions,” which are myopic.

            Also, children in rural areas are greatly affected by lack of good nutrition; it’s not just an “inner city” problem…might this be another example of your skewed views on America and where problems lie?

          • HonestDebate1

            I didn’t say squat about the importance of nutrition. I didn’t even say anything about magic solutions. Can you read?

          • jefe68

            Can you?

          • HonestDebate1

            Evidently I don’t even know what I think.

          • 1Brett1

            No, I’m sure you know what you think. People are responding to what you write on this forum. Get THAT in your head and you won’t be so confused.

            Perhaps your self-contradictory statements are the result of intellectual dishonesty/disingenuousness?

          • HonestDebate1

            Try replying to what I actually write.

          • jefe68

            Well, you’re on to something there. There is the possibility that you are so clueless as to be unaware of how clueless you are.

          • 1Brett1

            Poor, persecuted HD1…

          • 1Brett1

            Well, you listed a few “solutions” of what should be done; now you’re saying you didn’t. You also said in a follow-up that you were responding to nutrition questions “merely.” Now you say you weren’t…all of your replies in this thread are quintessentially [Dis]Honest Debate1 fodder.

          • HonestDebate1

            They are not solutions they are only the first step without which all others are futile.

            Read my reply again, it has nothing to do with nutrition, I did not accept Anne’s premise. My comment was about the role of government, not nutrition.

            Don’t try to figure it out, as plain as it is, you’re not capable.

          • 1Brett1

            “I thought she was merely asking if two meals were enough.”

            So, no, I guess you weren’t thinking of what she was “merely asking.”

            You bet you were talking about the role of government, in that you said parents of children who need school nutrition programs should be investigated and prosecuted via child abuse services (the arm of governmental social services that would do such investigations). Great don’t spend money on school food programs but blow an enormous amount of funds on social service investigations and clog up courts, etc. Sure, that makes sense. [sarcasm]

            And, your first paragraph is pretty much weaseling out of your statements about what should be done. So, I’ll correct, “your pre-solutions.” Happy?

          • HonestDebate1

            I tried to warn you about attempting to figure it out. Your comments get bizarrer and bizarrer, If you know about parents letting their kids starve then report them. What is so odd about that notion? Do you really think throwing money at school lunches is going to help?

          • jefe68

            There is a lot of proof that they do.
            You should quite while your behind.

          • jefe68

            The level of one dimensional thinking and a lack of ability to parse things beyond simple talking points is astounding.

          • HonestDebate1

            Look at you guys! Ya’ think complaining about the government not doing the parent’s job adequately is not a myopic way to view the flood of illegal aliens?

            And do you think it is possible to do anything to improve inner cities (not the topic) without first addressing gangs?

          • jefe68

            The show is about children crossing the border and being detained in conditions that are being called into question.

            What they are being given for food and how much is a humanitarian issue as is their living conditions in general.
            Which somehow you do not seem to get.
            Don’t look a us, look at yourself and how obtuse you are. Again one dimensional thinking. Do even know the meaning of subtext?

          • HonestDebate1

            Anne brought up nutrition for American kids, not me.

          • jefe68

            You should change your name to obtuse debater.

          • 1Brett1

            1) Don’t tell us what we think.

            2) Too many NOT(s) in first paragraph that is also tortured in trying to shovel out from your ridiculous first comment on this topic.

            3) Off topic.

          • HonestDebate1

            1) Learn what a question mark means.
            2) I understand comprehension is not your thing.
            3) I said that, see #2

          • 1Brett1

            1) As evidenced by the first sentence, the following was rhetorical in nature.

            2) Was using the NOT(s) as an example of how tortured your attempt to back was.

            3) You do that a lot. You say you are off topic and that makes it okay? (Rhetorical; as you don’t seem to recognize what that means, look it up.)

          • keltcrusader

            par for the course with this one

        • nj_v2

          “Eradicate the gangs”

          Maybe they could press a button or something.

          • jefe68

            Drone attacks.

    • Rick Evans

      Yes. American, non-farming children are obese thanks to three meals a day. The three meals a day paradigm is mostly a 1950s ag-industry invention.

      • 1Brett1

        “American…children are obese ‘thanks’ to three meals a day.”? Hardly, more likely a poor diet consisting of too many carbohydrates (simple sugars, and lacking in complex carbohydrates), too much sugar, and too many processed foods/junk foods, along with a sedentary lifestyle.

  • HonestDebate1

    Certainly we know why this is happening, President Obama decreed it so.

    First he clearly said he could not suspend deportations by executive order.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfZ3kaKZoIw

    Then on June 15, 2012 he did what he said he would and could not do. It was election season, he needed some votes. What’s a fella’ to do?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/obama-immigration-order-deportation-dream-act_n_1599658.html

    And now we have this. It’s not rocket science.

  • James

    For various reasons I think we should embrace the Dream Act, but lets not kid ourselves actions have consequences. If you incentivize illegal immigration, illegal immigrates are going to come here.

    • HonestDebate1

      I’m not so sure about the DREAM Act or I would have clicked like but I completely agree with your premise.

    • Pleiades

      James, the flitration of information relating to the Dream Act is the reason all these children are crossing the border. It is a poor idea at best to recognize illgeal immigrants as potantial citizens or support them in breaking the law to enter our nation.

      We need a policy that goes directly at the main problem related to immigration. That problem is employers who break immigration law by employing illegal immigrants.

  • HonestDebate1

    The NPR and Arizona Republic articles above do not mention Obama’s executive order. The Vox article calls his illegal EO, “Policy” as if it were an Obama legislative achievement. It then dismisses it in lame fashion and blames a 2008 policy, that WAS legislated, despite the huge spike in 2012.

    That’s very poor form.

  • keruffle

    Everyone is a dreamer
    Except the US taxpayer

  • http://www.qlineorientalist.com/Evan QLineOrientalist

    Birth control and abortion are banned. What do you expect?

  • Lawrence

    So easy a 6 year-old can do it? I thought our boarders were supposed to be secure after 9/11? Homeland Security, where are you?

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Why?

    They’ll vote Democrat.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Why would that be?

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        One party has crassly defined itself as the compassion and benefits party. Who wouldn’t vote for that? Then they’d be blamed for “voting against their own interests”.

        Teach a person to fish? No, it doesn’t generate enough dependency votes.

    • Charles

      Skeptical that they’re fleeing their homes to come vote.
      If they come and follow the real American way, they won’t vote at all.

    • TFRX

      Hey, isn’t the LIberartian schtick is that the parties are both the same? When does that start kicking in?

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        Thats a fair point. If they start voting for an illegal immigrant-friendly makeover GOP that grows government and our debt as fast as GW Bush, an Obama-lite, Debt-for-votes panderer, it won’t matter!

        In that regard, replacing Democrat with Republican goes with out saying.

        They’ll vote for the status quo and keep the two party charade going. Should have said that.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    Immigration is another reason to raise the minimum wage: if US citizens can earn a living wage, then the low wage jobs go away because employing more people will improve the economy.

    Also, we should admit (almost) everybody who wants to immigrate – this keeps them legal and therefore we know they are here, and they do not have to hide. This means that employers have to keep things above board, too. Immigrants won’t be trapped in what are frankly, very often abusive control by their employers. Their wages are taxed, and they contribute to the local economy. The biggest advantage is it removes the temptation to employers to cheat the system with illegal jobs, that have no protections for the people they hire.

    The people we are talking about could travel legally – and they could avoid this deadly gauntlet.

    The status quo is essentially slavery.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Raise the minimum wage and encourage even more immigration for menial labor. Just force companies to pay more and the economy magically improves? Do you really believe this stuff?

      • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

        When the lowest wage earners have higher income – and they can survive on what they earn, then the entire economy improves. This is what happened in this country during our best economic period – the 50′s and 60′s.

        And if we legally admit (almost) anyone who wants to come in the country – then are not illegal, and they are protected from abuse – because they are not hiding, and their employers are not illegally employing them.

        • optimisto1 .

          And they can live next to you. Liberal lunatic. So let’s give free money to people who did not earn them, so they can go on spending and stimulating our economy.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            We all live next to immigrants. Most of us are immigrants, or children of immigrants.

            You just want to shut the door, now that you’re inside.

          • optimisto1 .

            Of course, the land is not made of rubber – you can’t stretch it, as well as resources have limits. We just can’t take it anymore.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            Give me a break. These children are dying, and you’re complaining … about … something.

          • jefe68

            He just wants more pie for himself.

  • Mark in Ohio

    It seems that we have done nothing to encourage the countries that are generating this flood of refugees to fix their conditions at home. Has anyone ever given consideration for billing the home countries for the upkeep of all of the apprehended illegal migrants? We can’t fix the world, but we shouldn’t have to bear the cost of everyone else’s mistakes and negligence.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      If you are serious we need to invade and destroy the organized crime and likely the government and start over.

      Or arm a revolution.

      • Mark in Ohio

        Nope, I’m tired of us being responsible for guaranteeing the good behavior of other countries. Let them live the way they want, just don’t expect us to foot the bill. I especially don’t want us to either arm or directly confront these external criminal elements. I refuse to spend the lives of our military so cheaply.

        • New_Clear_Waste

          Great, then maybe you can reduce the U.S. drug demand that fuels those narco gangs, and curb the unlimited gun supply in this country that supplies arms to those gangs. We indirectly created the problem, now we’re indirectly paying for it.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      We have a lot to do with the existence of drug gangs, and with the source of most of the guns, etc.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    There are humanitarian disasters the world over. Abusive/corrupt governments the world over. Do we ship the world populace to the US?

    My only point is that the emotion play should not drive our illegal immigration policy (or lack of it).

    By these definitions, millions the world over “must” come here.

    Not pretty, not easy.

  • skelly74

    Wow! The evidence suggests that the U.S. is surrounded by savages and lawless animals schooled in cultures of violence and oppression. And I question why liberals hate the United States so much. The U.S. may not be perfect, but show me a better system that supports a population of 300 million and counting?

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      People do not like to contemplate this. Good comment.

      Encourage Rule of Law and Self Government societies? No! How dare we! Just put the world on our welfare roles.

      • skelly74

        Exactly! We need to encourage others to follow the best system going. Don’t point me to Switzerland with a population the size of the metropolitan Chicago area.

        Its time every Americans counts their blessings and support conservatism and stop idolizing snobby nation states that have a zero correlation to our system demands.

  • Mari McAvenia

    At the risk of sounding unsympathetic to the plight of these kids, I’m concerned that the violent behaviors they’ve seen in their native countries will be brought here with them. As it is, American cities have seen the exponential growth of immigrant criminal gangs since the 1990s. Where will these kids go? Will they remain underground when they arrive, uneducated, frightened and desperate? What will happen when they find that life here – as an illegal immigrant – is even more exploitative and treacherous than the tattered villages they left behind? Are we unwittingly creating a breeding ground for even more urban gang violence when we make allowances for cute-faced juveniles riding the trains into the USA?

  • amazonjn

    Imagine the reduction in human suffering in the world when it stops venerating the Pope and his institution’s policies which perpetuates keeping women as breeding machines.

  • M S

    Oh, we’re talking about Obama’s call for illegal immigrant children from around the world to come and stay and not be deported? Interesting.

  • Mark in Ohio

    You know, I’m getting a bit annoyed with the guest speakers referring to these people as “War Refugees”. They are not fleeing a war. They are fleeing common criminals and corrupt/incompetent government. If we have to treat these as war refugees, what refugees AREN’T war refugees? they are no different than any other refugee coming here to try to get a better life without following the legal procedures.

    As a side note, if their parents are found here in the US, why aren’t we charging them with abandonent and neglect?

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      We are paralyzed these days by an “everyone is a victim, and we are evil oppressors” mindset. Our culture is so spoiled, we have lost track where our historical blip of opportunity and relative prosperity came from.

      Our government and banking elites run a corrupt cabal, and instead of realizing that, and fighting against it, truly returning to our founding principles, and returning more power and self-determination to the people in an organic, free economy within a transparent, equally applied Rule of Law, we look to naive dreams of even more centralized power and hopes that the elites will save us.

  • keruffle

    The next Dreamers
    Really smart schemers?
    Know US savior
    Of bad behavior.

  • coyotejazz

    Honduran, Salvadoran, Guatemalan and Mexican elites are the culpable parties n this humanitarian nightmare. Let’s talk about their culpability. Your guests are focused on US systems… Let’s talk about the sending source.

    • AC

      i think this is a valid question. what is the source countries arguments for not helping?

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      No lets keep this an oversimplified emotional play that demonizes those who want to reduce illegal immigration and thus politicize this.

  • M S

    If we can charge an American 12 yr old minor as an adult, these kids can face a judge and be deported.

  • AC

    i don’t agree with the caller, they could totally be labeled as ‘war refugees’

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      Not every kid is the same. Some may contribute to violent crime and some may not. They shouldn’t ALL be given the same status.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Why stay and fight/revolt for your country when you can just “go to the U.S”. If there was more of a sense of difficulty or consequence to illegal immigration, maybe the equation might begin to tilt.

    • New_Clear_Waste

      If only you had even a remote clue of what you’re talking about, armchair expert!

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        Good answer. Removing corrupt/tyrannical governments and replacing them with Rule of Law and Constitutional Self government is the only solution, I’m afraid, whether or not it is easy or perhaps even possible.

        A global welfare system while leaving the corrupt/tyrannical intact is not sustainable.

    • jimino

      Why didn’t those who you credit for establishing the locale of American exceptionalism just stay where they belonged instead of giving up and going to what is now the U.S.? And why is it different for these similarly situated folks today?

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Just legalize cocaine! Cmon Colorado, lets really party!

  • M S

    I love people blame the addicted drug user and not the pusher or dealer. I ask you, who is worse?

  • Dan B

    The lack of compassion of some of callers is appalling. We have truly lost our way if we cannot firstly, help those escaping such violence, and secondly, start working to eliminate the problems causing the violence in these countries.

    • M S

      Too bad I never hear your opinion of American children suffering the same in our inner cities.

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      I am all for that if YOU are willing to pay for it… The U.S. government takes cash, check, credit card, cashier’s check, or wire transfer.

    • optimisto1 .

      Dan B, Maybe you can put some of them in your house to show your compassion?

    • hennorama

      Dan B — you miss the point.

      That these are children who may be fleeing violent treatment is immaterial. They must be deported post haste, else they will contaminate our nation. Their individual circumstances do not matter, only their nativity does.

      Repel the invaders!

      (tongue firmly in cheek as to the above.)

  • Jim Peterson

    I disagree with Robert who called to say this isn’t our problem. Violence in Mexico and Central America is driven by drug consumption in the US and a border that allows money and arms to flow southward.

  • gala1

    Where do I sign up to take in a few of them?

  • Pleiades

    It insults me to think that all these illegal immigrants come to the US instead of attempting to improve theie own situations in their own nations individually and/or collectively. We have made it easy for them to come here with illegal immigration law-breaking employers instead of putting any effort into changing their own nations for the better.

    • James Patrick Dwyer Jr.

      I have never heard an American president tell a Mexican president to improve the working conditions in Mexico, not once. The biggest problem lies south of our boarder.

      • Pleiades

        Why hang out and put all that effort into improving Mexico when one can wade the Rio Bravo or jump the border fence landing a job right here in the US? It takes effort to change and improve a nation, and unfortunately, we receive the people least willing to make any effort to do such. They just want to maintain their inadequate cultures here instead of improving their nation.

    • New_Clear_Waste

      We’ve made it hard as hell for people to come here. And what ARE you talking about, “improve their own situations in their own nations”??? They’re ruled by narco gangs supplying American drug demand, using weapons from the gun-crazy USA. We created the problem!

      • Pleiades

        It may cost some blood to resolve the problems in their nation(s), but it will not require the US Treasury your tax dollars to support them, will it?

        • New_Clear_Waste

          Nah, we don’t have to invest anything to solve this narco problem we created down there, we can just leave it for them to clean up. But damn, why do all these refugees keep showing up?

          • Pleiades

            I’m hoping that it the blood of their citizenry. The children are arriving due to the fact the information about a potential Dream Act passage has filtered back to their respective nations.

            None of them should be given such an amnesty for wading the Rio Bravo or jumping the border fence.

    • hennorama

      Yes!

      Let’s lock up the “job creators” who are employing these undocumented workers!

      (that thud you just heard is from the lead balloon, above.)

      • Pleiades

        If you want to eliminate illegal immigrants, eliminate their employers. Stiff penalties. Prison time for habitual law breaking.

        • hennorama

          Pleides — thank you for your response.

          That would very likely reduce the flow, but it would hurt our sainted, overburdened “job creators” and the “free market,” making such a thing highly unlikely.

          • Pleiades

            It’s funny that there are laws on the books to deal with many of our immigration problems, but ICE and/or no one else seems to want to apply them.

            When I reside in the US, I live in an area where many employers use illegal immigranst to do the work necessary to sustain the employer’s businesses. I have provided ICE the names and addresses of these businesses I know are skirting immigration law, yet there has never been any action on the part of ICE to go after these employers. I assure you they are not part of visa program for migrant workers.

            All it would take is making a few examples, and employers would get the message.

    • jimino

      And of course the same would be true of those who left Europe and came to this continent starting in the 16th century, wouldn’t it?

      Your pricnciples would have demanded that they should have stayed where they were and made more of an effort to change the conditions that so upset them instead of coming to a place where they had no right to inhabit.

      • Pleiades

        You cannot apply the events of the late 15th Century through early 20th Century to the situation today in the 21st Century. That is why your point is totally and completely invalid like any time it is brought up in this conversation.

        Find something relevant to contirbute.

  • Tom

    Its a big country Americans. Quit your whining.
    Educate the refugees, and you will become the great country you claim to be.
    – from Tom in Vermont.

  • Charles

    I’m curious how free trade policies have contributed to this situation.
    Some 20 years after NAFTA, is it possible that towels and pillows for our consumption have funded corrupt governments unable to care for their people?

  • homebuilding

    As I say to a classroom of middle school students, some of whom are citizens and some who are ‘illegal,’ in terms of trying to understand ‘the push north…’

    Throughout history, there has always been pressure to escape war, poverty, violence, deprivation…….the borders can be very high, the numbers of border patrol may be exorbitant–the pressure to live and to escape will remain, with extreme strength.

    Further, those that make it are often the smartest, strongest, and most skillful.

    The answer may lie in exporting those aspects of our policed culture to assist those nearby countries, where the government is hardly functional…..to restore some order, sanity, and functionality.

    Perhaps this would be cheaper and more humane–certainly, we might trade our services for raw industrial materials (since these economies are far from fully developed).

  • gala1

    When will we stop thinking in terms of “them” vs “us”? Them: inner city folks – us: white suburbanites; them: third world poor – us: privileged Americans; them: super rich 1% – us: poor suburban privileged 99%.

    And start thinking in terms of – “we – the people”?

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Who is talking us v. them?

      Do you believe in countries? In sovereignty?

      Why is sovereignty and borders important?

      • gala1

        Everyone who has a reaction on this message board “to send THEM back”.

        I believe that people are more important than countries or sovereignty or borders. That human life is more important.

        But that is my humble opinion.

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          We all, except for psychopaths, share a wish for the best for humanity. But we are also realists about understanding history, human nature, and what choices/sacrifices must be made to have a free and secure nation.

          Dissolving borders would be instant chaos with the worst of human nature rising to the top, might makes right, corruption etc, etc.

          Please people. Revisit the historical reasons that our founders came up with our Constitution and form of Self Government, with Liberty and Rule of Law at the core.

          That is what “American Exceptionalism” means. That is what “Freedom isn’t Free” means.

          People can continue to purposefully mischaracterize those phrases and deride those who use them, but abandoning our founding principles out of a naive, if well intentioned, call for a no borders world will be the end of our imperfect, but best in the world experiment in human freedom.

          • gala1

            I apologize if you misunderstood me. I did not call for the dissolution of borders. I called for the change in perspective.

            “We are all realists” you say – well, my opinion is that not everyone is a realist. I know plenty of “elite” right here who could care less about this and other problems of the “OTHER” people/parts of the country/world.
            And the ones that DO care about OTHER’s problems – view exactly as that – THEIR problems.

            Once you start thinking that THEIR problems are OUR problems – it changes slightly how you feel about it.

            Every man for themselves right?

            and “the best in the world experiment in human freedom” – so you’re feeling particularly free?
            as in … more free than OTHERS? :)
            also, may I ask you – do you live under capitalism or democracy? :) and can both of those “regimes” co-exist?

          • gala1

            we’re getting too philosophical here, so lets agree to disagree, fellow “realist”. :)

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            Appreciate the discussion, apologies if I misunderstood your point.

          • gala1

            I appreciate your point of view. I found some of the information you provided interesting and thought provoking. I will think about it more.

            Although, I do have to stick with my view on “their problems vs our problems”.

            I am not saying that we must solve their problems, or govern their countries or help or do anything for them or that we are even responsible… etc.
            Or that we even have the solutions, or
            can choose which solution is better (for whom? in what regard?) etc

            All I am saying is that if you start to view THEIR problems as OUR problems – it changes the context.

            Maybe my POV is idealistic and not realistic – but I also claim compassion and empathy as my super-power. :)

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            I would just say/caution that the very real human conditions and considerations that led to the founding of our experiment in Self-Government is not esoteric “philosophy”. Our modern disconnect from it is rotting/corrupting our country.

            Democracy and Capitalism must coexist. But understand our country is not a pure Democracy, thank goodness. One can read the founding documents to understand why (tyranny of majority etc).

            “[Libertarians] do not regard democratic participation and deliberation as the highest form of life.… Many nonlibertarians have an almost religious reverence for democracy. They love democracy so much that they wish to see democracy in every aspect of life. They want democracy to be a way of living. They want everything open to democratic deliberation and decision making. Libertarians instead want to insulate people from political control. They do not want every decision to be subject to discussion. They believe one of the greatest freedoms of all is not having to justify yourself to others. If your entire life resembles a committee meeting, you are not free. (p. 69)”

            from:

            http://mises.org/daily/6216/What-Is-Neoclassical-Liberalism

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      Bingo! But, unfortunately, a tall order.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    Either Annex all of central america, or seal the border from all ground travel.

  • AC

    i’m looking at photos from other sources and the children are primarily male – what happens to the girls?

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      What do you THINK?

    • Mari McAvenia

      The girls, as the guest stated, are often raped en route. By whom? By the boys and men, of course.

      • AC

        that doesn’t lend to the argument of the parents pushing for their ‘children’ to leave a desperate situation, not if its a girl anyway – what’s worse, your little girl being raped or being raped/alone/dying without you? the second seems crueler, though that i’m comparing such a thing seems absurd to me altogether……

        • gala1

          I think the missing part of the equation is the “chance” that when the child gets “here” their lives “might” be better.

          Rather than a bleaker “chance” that their lives “might” be better “there”.

          What is the percentage you say?

          Lets ask “rationalists” and “realists”.

          There is an economic theory called
          Rational choice theory – very interesting. Doesn’t govern just OUR behavior (allegedly) but THEIRs as well. :)

  • hennorama

    Let’s build a 2 Great Walls Of America, one along the border with Mexico, and another along the Canadian border.

    That’ll get all of those out-of-work construction workers back to work. It won’t be cheap, but no doubt all conservatives/Republicans/TEA Shindiggers would fully support it.

    Then let’s employ thousands and thousands of Federal inspectors, to check every single person and item that is coming through the walls, assuming we want to allow anything and anyone through, of course.

    Repel the invaders!

    Oh, don’t forget that we would also need to build some barriers along the coasts, and add support personnel, ships, etc. for them as well.

    Should be a piece of cake. After all, we’re only talking about 20,000 or so miles of land borders and coastal boundaries combined.

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      You’re right. Let’s govern other countries instead. WTF!

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      This song is performed by Anaïs Mitchell.

      Why we build the wall, my children, my children?
      Why do we build the wall?
      Why do we build the wall?
      We build the wall to keep us free
      That’s why we build the wall
      We build the wall to keep us free

      How does the wall keep us free, my children, my children?
      How does the wall keep us free?
      How does the wall keep us free?
      The wall keeps out the enemy
      And we build the wall to keep us free
      That’s why we build the wall
      We build the wall to keep us free

      Who do we call the enemy, my children, my children?
      Who do we call the enemy?
      Who do we call the enemy?
      The enemy is poverty
      And the wall keeps out the enemy
      And we build the wall to keep us free
      That’s why we build the wall
      We build the wall to keep us free

      Because we have and they have not, my children, my children
      Because they want what we have got
      Because we have and they have not
      Because they want what we have got
      The enemy is poverty
      And the wall keeps out the enemy
      And we build the wall to keep us free
      That’s why we build the wall
      We build the wall to keep us free

      What do we have that they should want, my children, my children?
      What do we have that they should want?
      What do we have that they should want?
      We have a wall to work upon
      We have work and they have none
      And our work is never done
      My children, my children
      And the war is never won
      The enemy is poverty
      The wall keeps out the enemy
      And we build the wall to keep us free
      That’s why we build the wall
      We build the wall to keep us free
      We build the wall to keep us free

      • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Since so many believe that Government jobs are the key to economic success, it looks like you’ve finally found the solution.

      • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

        It appears, through the FEDS bond buying and QE program, water has no weight, and gov jobs ARE the key to success.

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      I appreciate many of the things you say, but sometimes you seem to be drinking the Kool Aid.

      The green feminist liberal “meme” has one fatal flaw – if you don’t agree with it, than you are considered the enemy. Thus, it doesn’t include everyone, even though it claims to.

      You can’t have colonialism where you govern other countries, while at the same time petitioning against colonialism. That makes no sense.

      If we let in one illegal, we have to let in EVERY illegal…
      And there are hundreds of millions wanting to come here!

      • hennorama

        Alchemical Reaction — perhaps your purported 170 IQ has pushed your communication skills beyond the ability of mere mortals to understand.

        Regardless, you have failed, as I have absolutely no idea what your point is, or how it relates to my comment.

        • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

          Flattery will get you everywhere!

          I’m simply saying we need evidence and analysis based solutions rather than political solutions. How to achieve that I’m not certain.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Did your guest bemoan a lack of “Rule of Law”?

    Thats so………..1700′s!

    What do they think, they should be “exceptional”? Only arrogant Americans can do that.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    It sucks, but it DOES look like we’re going to have to regulate.

  • HonestDebate1

    Just don’t get caught in Mexico without the proper papers.

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      You speak from experience?

      • jefe68

        I’m not sure why an American would go to a foreign country without their passport and a visa if it was needed. If one does, then they deserve what ever happens to them.

        • HonestDebate1

          Does that work both ways?

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Good luck fixing the “elite” problem south of the border when most people are completely comfortable/unaware of it/unwilling to recommit to Rule of Law and Self Government here at home.

    • gala1

      Are you intimately tied to the “elite” south of the border and can speak for them?!
      Studies you read? Polls taken?

      No. You’re making an assumption based on the fact that allegedly such “elite” south of the border not doing ANYTHING.

      You know what they say about making assumptions right? :)

  • Steve_the_Repoman

    A country will be judged by how it treats the poor, the widows, the orphans, the powerless, and the foreigners within its borders.

    The leaders and those of wealth and influence will be removed so that both the people and the land can rest.

    What is your role on the “Dirty Boulevard?”

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      A country is judged by its economic and military power.
      Societies are judged by how they treat all human beings, including the wealthy, and the men.

      • Steve_the_Repoman

        Economic and military power are ephemeral.
        Countries that strive for exceptionalism may need to aim for something greater.

        • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

          Ephemeral according to a human life span, the life span of a gnat, or the age of the galaxy?

  • Charles

    To those who are opposed to any foreign aid, I would say, pay for it there, or pay for it here.

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      Foreign Aid is fantastic if it is evidence and analysis based. Usually we just throw blankets and rice at them.

  • M S

    Yes, let’s get rid of NAFTA (a la Clinton), maybe we’ll get some of our manufacturing jobs back.

    • New_Clear_Waste

      No, they’re in China.

      • M S

        You are clearly ignorant of the subject. Do you really think all of those automobile subassemblies that go into American built cars come from China? Not to mention the appliance manufacturers just over the border.

        • New_Clear_Waste

          How much time have you spent in Mexico, not counting vacation resorts? Don’t you call anyone ignorant. Mexico lost its manufacturing edge to China at least a decade ago, teabagger!

          • M S

            Blah, blah, blah…another person unwilling to put the blame of the decline of American manufacturing on Clinton for pushing such a disastrous policy as NAFTA. And I was told China has lost its edge to Vietnam…lulz.

            I’ve spent exactly zero time in Mexico…a little dangerous for my taste, but I didn’t realize you have to have had set foot physically somewhere to know something about it, in this case, the global supply chain. I do however know an owner of a maquiladora.

            And no teabagger here!

        • tbphkm33

          … and if you want a dependable appliance that will last more than 6 to 10 years… you buy Miele, manufactured in Germany. US manufacturers have been learning the same lesson. Manufacturing is even starting to return in some sectors. For example, Apple is manufacturing some computers in Texas.

          • M S

            Miele is pedestrian. For example, if you wanted a real oven, you’d select an American made BlueStar over a Miele, but I’m betting you’ve fallen for the Euro/IKEA aesthetic thing.

    • tbphkm33

      LOL – wishful thinking. Those manufacturing jobs were going to move elsewhere with or without NAFTA.

      In fact, US manufacturing is the better off for it. Today producing higher quality goods than ever before. The US still has the worlds 2nd largest manufacturing base and is producing quality only surpassed by Germany. There is no need to compete on low cost/low quality. Countries like China will beat you on that one. High quality and dependent delivery is the only way to retain manufacturing.

      • M S

        No, not wishful thinking at all. You do understand how NAFTA works when it come to importing goods from the factories along the border, yes? Apparently not, because those factories are not producing junk like we get from China. They are making your dishwasher, refrigerators, washing machines, ovens, car subassemblies, etc. that were once made in this country by the likes of Whirlpool and Delphi. And they don’t ship these items from China dues to weight/cost constraints. Mind you, I’m an Industrial and Manufacturing Systems Engineer by training, so what would I really know?

        • tbphkm33

          LOL – Oh, I understand it rather well. I have over 20 years experience in international business, today my small group works with SMEs to manage over $1 billion in mainly US exports per year.

          • M S

            Wonderful, so you clearly either do not care or do not know about the impact that NAFTA has had. Especially on people like these gentlemen: http://kielarowski.net/2014/01/18/naftas-trail-of-destruction/

            I suppose its people like you and Clinton who expect them to be happier with no job, but a cheaper automobile…perfect.

  • New_Clear_Waste

    Your guest just blamed NAFTA for killing Mexican smallholder agriculture and sending economic refugees northward. FALSE! Smallholder agriculture was already moribund in 1994 when NAFTA came into force, and families were already sending members across the border and to Mexican cities. I know because I was there.

    Furthermore, to the caller who didn’t see any evidence of U.S. aid in one province, the U.S. often targets its aid to specific areas. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

    I see people injecting their ideological preconceptions into their understanding of the situation.

    • jefe68

      If I’m not mistaken this was due Mexican policymakers in the 1980s, who decided to “modernize” the economy by pushing millions of smallholder farmers off of their land and into jobs in what was supposed to become a booming manufacturing sector. The idea was that Mexico was to become a manufacturing base for the United States. NAFTA was part of this plan.

      • New_Clear_Waste

        No, the problem was that rural families had far outgrown their 2-hectare ejido plots given to them during the 1910 revolution. That meant farm families couldn’t live from farming, so they reached out for other sources of income.

        • jefe68

          That’s not what I’ve been reading about it, it seems to me that the forces of big agriculture are at work here. Not that what you mention is not part of this problem, but from what I’ve read on this it comes down to policy made in the 80′s and 90′s.

          • New_Clear_Waste

            What you’ve been reading sounds like like it has a certain anti-corporate ax to grind. Population pressures were pushing people off the land well before subsidized American grain flooded Mexico, and it’s doing the same in non-NAFTA countries. The good thing about NAFTA was that it also created industrial employment in Mexico to absorb some of those rural refugees.

            Scuttling NAFTA would no way have propped up small-scale low-yield Mexican agriculture, which is a relic of the past in an industrializing country like Mexico.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Encourage South American Exceptionalism.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    When the Red Coats came to clamp down on we colonists, we should have just immigrated to France and demanded reduced tuition.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    We need to send the military down there for exactly two years, with the mission of open-source ecology, and education.

    Use taxes from the new domestic marijuana industry in the US, to pay for the new immigration policy, and new foreign policy toward central america.

    After two years of military service in goodstanding for the US, you can earn citizenship here. Illegal migrant Kids under 18 should not have regular public school. They should have a separate citizen’s college that teaches ONLY civics and english. if they pass all those courses they can earn citizenship.

    That’s what I would do.

  • John_Hamilton

    I wonder what the connection might be between our government’s longtime support for repressive regimes, military aid to said regimes, and the use of “Honduras” as a staging ground for the support of dictatorships elsewhere. It is likely the roots of today’s problems go back many decades.

    Put another way, people in other countries are human beings, just like we are. They are not inherently more corrupt or sadistic, but it is easier for them to become that way if circumstances push them in those directions. We might ask why the situation there got so bad when it is relatively more civilized here. Could it be that our comfort and functionality depend on the discomfort and dysfunction of people who live in client states?

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      NO. It could be that historically, American comfort and functionality have depended on the discomfort and dysfunction of those client nations, BUT our comfort and functionality COULD depend on other things.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      “We might ask why the situation there got so bad when it is relatively more civilized here.”

      You might. And you might not blame us for all problems elsewhere and realize that our Constitutional Government and Rule of Law, which we fought a Revolutionary War for, are what makes “exceptional”. IMPERFECT, but exceptional, which means, an exception to the norm, not some arrogant chest beating that people like to mischaracterize it as.

      • New_Clear_Waste

        This “exceptionalism” argument is just racist. You believe that we’re genetically superior, not like other people. Wake up, our “constitutional government” has gotten deeply corrupt, we’re seeing the rise of armed thugs, and elections are bought by billionnaires.

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          WTF?

          I explicitly explained that exceptional refers to our choices/sacrifices to establish and maintain a Constitutional, Rule of Law form of Self Governance the celebrates Human Liberty.

          If the evil billionaires and racist thugs are buying elections and taking over the country, how did we elect Pres Obama twice?

          Different billionaires I guess. The good ones.

          You are absofinglutely correct that our Consitutional Government has been corrupted- in large part due to apathy and lack of understanding of how Big Government and Crony Capitalism usurps the power of the people that the founders intended.

          Fed Reserve policy fuels it all.

          • NrthOfTheBorder

            Gov’t…”..estabilish and maintain … etc” and other countries have not done/do the same?

          • azt24

            Liberalism used to be a political philosophy. But modern liberalism has become an angry religion. That everything conservatives value is actually racist is one of its tenets. Thus “American exceptionalism is racist” “Constitutional Rule of Law is racist,” “Small Government is racist,” “Lower taxes is racist,” “Voter ID is racist” and so on and so forth. Works for anything.

        • HonestDebate1

          It’s our system of government that begins with the premise we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights that makes us exceptional. Everywhere else those rights come from government. It has nothing to do with genes.

      • NrthOfTheBorder

        It’s high time we dropped Exceptionalism from our common vocabulary – it does not apply, it is not deserved.

        Moreover it is used an excuse to do, well, whatever an empire wants to do.

      • JS

        the USA should not be blamed for all problems elsewhere, but that shouldn’t be an excuse to not blame the USA for the problems it has caused in many places.

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      Thoughtful commentary John. It is all to easy to see the American zeitgeist as one where one standard applies to us, and another to others. Our history is rife with this affliction.

      Moreover, we seem to stand less on principle and more and more on what is merely convenient. Much of this we can lay at the feet of our government – but any contradictions to what we nominally hold dear are foisted on the world with the tacit complicity of “We the People”.

  • Jon

    cutting Donavon is a culture clash of American individualism v German collectivism and football (not soccer) is a team sports. Donovan has to go.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    A 2009 U.S. State Department audit showed 26 percent of guns sold legally (by U.S. firms) to governments in Mexico and Central America were diverted to the wrong hands.[35]

    • JS

      I wish we had info on how many legally bought guns in the US are diverted to the wrong hands.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    A LOT, because we’ve done so much to “help” other countries!

    If the situation were truly reversed, than it would be identical, and thus the thought is irrelevant.

  • tbphkm33

    Sad thing is that child migration to the U.S. in 2014 sounds like it could come out of a Charles Dickens novel from the early days of the industrial revolution. A lack of compassion, basic human rights and 200 years of development when it comes to the protection of children.

    • X Y & Z

      Where’s the compassion for all the innocent civilians that have died as a result of Obama’s illegal drone strikes?

      • twenty_niner

        It looks as if Kerry plans on killing the Taliban 5, likely via drone strikes.

        • jefe68

          Great, now they they know I bet their moving house.

      • tbphkm33

        WOW – XY&Z goes to new depths of low. Hijacking a humanitarian comment to make a political point. Have you no self respect?

        Honestly, you truly disgust me. Find a new discussion board to troll.

        • X Y & Z

          Keep supporting your war criminal President. It suits a degenerate like you quite well, tb.

          P.S. You really are as stupid as you look.

          • JS

            Opposition to you is not necessarily support of Obama. It is not all about you and Obama

          • X Y & Z

            That must be why you and your fellow liberals refuse to criticize Obama for his many failings , as well as when he violates the law.

          • JS

            “When did I ever blog, “It’s all about me and Obama”?” – all day, every day

          • X Y & Z

            You’re desperation is shinning through for all to see.

          • JS

            Once again, you prove my point. Thnak you

          • X Y & Z

            That I don’t support the criminal actions of this Administration? You got that right.

          • JS

            That it’s all about you and Obama.

          • Ashley Yoshida

            Take that opportunity to insert foot, keyboard,or iphone.

      • hennorama

        Drone-bot Alert.

        • X Y & Z

          Mind-less pro-Obama blogging 2nd shift is on the clock.

      • brettearle

        Where is the compassion for all the innocent “On Point” listeners who have become nauseous, as the result of X Y & Z’s bogus & obsessive rants about the 44th President?

        • X Y & Z

          Just because you’ve decided to give Obama a pass for his illegal drone strikes, doesn’t mean that others have.

          Even Dr. Cornel West who supported Obama in 2008, is now calling Obama a war criminal.

      • Ashley Yoshida

        That’s another topic baby.

  • NrthOfTheBorder

    Given our sense of entitlement a whole lot!

  • islanchief

    A child is a child. WWJD

  • Julie Leavitt

    Critics need to remember that this is hardly a new choice for parents to make for their children. Jews during the holocaust. Londoners during the Blitz. Afghans under the Taliban. Syrians today. When faced with the sense of certain death, or the slim hope of a better life, parents will choose the slim hope.

    • whoo123

      And is this case, we’re talking about unaccompanied minors as well — hopping trains and facing assaults and sexual trafficking etc.

      There was a documentary from a few years back on the subject (available on netflix) called ‘Which Way Home’. Some of the children in this film were 9 or 10 years old.

    • azt24

      The case of Jews during the Holocaust is apropos. When conditions are desperate enough to create refugees, families stick together if they can. The exceptions are situations like the Kindertransport of WWII, when Britain would only take the children in, but not the parents. So the desperate parents sent the children alone.

      Just so is Obama, with his DREAMER proclamations, spreading the news that children won’t be turned back at the border. So what used to be 6,000 a year will be 80,000 this year. Never has and cause and effect been so obviously linked.

  • marygrav

    If you do not believe the plight of these Latin American children is not the fault of the United State, then you have had your head in the sand since 1945. If you need sources read Stephen Kinzer’s The Brothers and understand that the Dulles Brothers in there insane fight against Communism has wrecked ever chance of Latin American every to have democracy.

    It was the FBI policy of deporting teens who spoke no language but English down to Latin America. This racist policy sent the foot soldiers of the cartels down there and now the Chickens have come home to roast.

    Dr. Hakim can tell you this. Guatmala, El Savador, and all other points South are monuments to Ronald Reagan and his efforts to wipe of grass root freedom movements in Latin America. If Castro had not closed off Cuban society from the North, Cuba would look exactly like Haiti.

    Why must Americans be so evil?

    • JS

      Also read Bitter Fruit about the overthrow of the Guatemalan government by the Dulles brothers at the bequest of the United Fruit Company

  • azt24

    It was apparently a surprise to the “award winning LA Times journolist” on On Point this morning. She solemnly intoned that the increased number of children crossing the borders was primarily due to unrest in Central America.

    What a hack.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    To me, this is just further proof that politics doesn’t work. Evidence and analysis based solutions are what are needed. The government has had several decades to fix this immigration issue and they have failed to do what I could accomplish in a single year.

    1. Immigrants under 18 must pass a citizen’s college of civics and english courses to earn their citizenship while in foster care. Only after passing those can they be adopted. Those who don’t get deported.

    2. Immigrants over 18 have a (foreign legion) option where they serve in the US military for two years to earn their citizenship, and civics and english courses are part of the program.

    3. Every single vehicle that crosses the border gets searched.

    4. Domestic marijuana taxes get earmarked for south american foreign policy initiatives including education and open-source ecology.

    Now why can’t those pathetic losers in washington do this?

    • Ashley Yoshida

      Why should they pass courses? Isn’t it enough to be a homeless orphan?

      • Lame_Duck_Dems

        Orphans?? Proof please? Have you been to Appalachia? How come I never hear you libs cry about the poor kids there??
        Maybe, because they are majority WHITE??
        Ashley is a F’in RACIST.

        • Ashley Yoshida

          I’m white genius.

          • Lame_Duck_Dems

            ..white RACIST……prejudice of White Christians….primarily White Southern Christians.

          • YRUW8NG4HOT H2O

            No…your in the DARK and STUPID.

    • Ashley Yoshida

      Why can’t you do it?

  • Michele Briere

    I think the better argument isn’t should the children be allowed to stay or not, it is what can be done with Central America to clean it up and make it safe for the people who live there. I think we need to declare the drug lords to be terrorists who are actively pushing drugs and guns on us, kidnapping girls and women for sex slaves, and killing US citizens in gang wars. Sounds like terrorist attacks to me.

    • Ashley Yoshida

      The guns are coming from the US actually and I don’t see any drug lords “pushing” drugs on American citizens. We created the demand. They are supplying what we are demanding.

  • X Y & Z

    Former Obama supporter, Dr. Cornel West (who is Black) has called Obama a war criminal, as well as “Global George Zimmerman”.

    What does that make Dr. West?

    • Ashley Yoshida

      An asshole.

  • sjw81

    we are truly witnessing the end of america. just like fall of the roman empire when they couldnt protect thier borders and were bankrupt and politics corrupt. how are we any different? we cant even keep children out. lets put them up with our congress and pres, and lets see how fast the fence gets built and immigration laws get passed and enforced…

    • Ashley Yoshida

      You are disgusting. Why would we want to keep children out? How about getting lazy, greedy Americans off drugs, off consumerism, off apathy and selfishness? How about turning our culture around? Who is buying the drugs smart-ass? The fence doesn’t work. We need a paradigm shift. I’d like to send you to Guatemala and bring in an orphan to replace you.

      • Guest

        Classism ✓
        Ignorance ✓
        Anti-Americanism ✓
        BIgotry ✓

        • Ashley Yoshida

          Guilty as charged on the bigotry. I do refuse to accept Lame Duck’s ideas. Ignorant-no, classist-no I am an English teacher for God’s sake, Anti-American-no. But I am ashamed of many of the things America does and of many of it’s policies, and of gun toting, heartless right wing idiots which is how much of the world sees us. I’m, tired of people like mistaclueless and Lame Duck making me look bad, and more importantly causing so much suffering in the world.

          • Lame_Duck_Dems

            “Making you look bad..” Your making yourself look bad. This President’s INCOMPETENCE and LAWLESSNESS is what the world is seeing now.
            The problem you Teachers/Professors have is that you have never left the classroom and gone out into the REAL WORLD–never owned a business, never hired people, never had to make that next sale or lose your job. Hell! if you are a “public skool” teacher, with tenure, you don’t even have to be GOOD at your job. You won’t be fired. Not the case in the PRIVATE SECTOR.
            Lastly, all your arguments, like all libtards, are based on emotion..not facts or legal solutions.
            Go smoke some more pot, and get out of my face!

          • Ashley Yoshida

            So you hate teachers too? You are some piece of work. I don’t smoke pot. I had my own business for twenty-five years. I know about paying taxes. I also lived in Mexico for fifteen years, Thailand for a year, and now Japan for five years. I have traveled extensively in Europe , Asia and south America. My guess is you don’t even have a passport.

          • Lame_Duck_Dems

            OH, so you know how other countries feel about unwanted,illegal immigration.

            I bet Mexico and Thailand do not let foreign INVADERS into their countries, DO THEY?

          • Lame_Duck_Dems

            Anything else? THOIUGHT SO!
            Remember, libtards..I am the best that ever was!

          • Juju

            “My guess is you don’t even have a passport.” No, I don’t, I plan on staying in AMERICA and minding my own business, which is exactly what the USA should do.

      • Lame_Duck_Dems

        1–not our children–they are Mexico/Central Am.’s kids
        2-Y’know–not every American is on drugs.
        You libtards keep pushing this BS.
        3-The fence works when it is BUILT!

        • Ashley Yoshida

          Not “our” children? Children are children. You sound like a Nazi.

          • Lame_Duck_Dems

            OH That’s Right! Im a Nazi for not wanting to take care of SOMEBODY ELSE’S KIDS!
            STFU, you idiot!

          • Ashley Yoshida

            That’s right. You are. You do know that borders were drawn by men right? You also know they are arbitrary and change right?

            Have you ever heard of foster parents? Adoptive parents? Orphanages? Shelters? These are all instances of people taking care of other people’s kids.

            If you are such a right winger. you must be aware that “Christian values” are a big part of the Republican rhetoric.

            So, GOOGLE “Christian Values”, Google Jesus. The GOOGLE “Hitler” and see who you have more in common with.

          • Lame_Duck_Dems

            Yeah..and there is another Christian Value called the RULE OF LAW. U.S. Borders have not changed in 230+ years….your FOS!
            “Republican rhetoric”-WTF does THAT mean. I guess if this was FANTASY ISLAND, we could eliminate all borders–try going to other countries with your open border B.S.
            You libs cry about the “plight of Mexican, African, Indian, ect. kids”–NEVER about the plight of kids in Appalachia–and WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE, and YOU are a F’IN RACIST.
            SHUT UP!!!

      • YRUW8NG4HOT H2O

        “Why would we want to keep children out?” Your statement shows you lack intelligence. Why are you commenting when you should be down at the adoption center asking for 2 or 3 of them to adopt.

      • Juju

        “Why would we want to keep children out?” Lord, woman, are you that STUPID? They will be a drain on society now and most of them will grow up and be a bigger drain on society in the future!

  • Dzintra

    Through the Monroe Doctrine, the US has controlled the course of history in Central America by fighting against any attempts by the people to overthrow unjust governments that favored oligarchs at the expense of the people. The violence and poverty is a legacy of US policy. The raging decades long civil war in Guatemala, caused by the US coup, has created a culture of violence that is exacerbated by the drug trade. The same holds true for El Salvador. The US fought its ideological wars with communism using other peoples’ land and lives and then walks away claiming it has no responsibility. The American public is totally ignorant of the shameless actions by our government in Central America.

  • whoo123

    On which planet are you living?! People born here can’t assistance? As I pointed out in another thread, Walmart employees alone receive over $2.6 billion in Medicaid, food stamps, etc.

  • whoo123

    Big Oil *has* left its mark on South America. There’s a lawsuit that’s gone on for decades over billions of gallons of toxic sludge. Chevron says there’s no evidence that increased rates of birth defects and cancer among the indigenous people has anything to do with their pollution.

  • Ashley Yoshida

    How can you have such a vitriolic reply to what you just heard? You need a therapist and a spiritual councellor ASAP.

    • Lame_Duck_Dems

      Shut up, you blatant RACIST!

  • Ashley Yoshida

    They do have oil.

  • Ashley Yoshida

    I am ashamed to be an American when I read some of these comments. Where is your humanity? Your sense of compassion?

    I lived in Mexico for fifteen years. What I think all Americans need is a one week trip to Mexico with a two dollar per day per diem.

    We need to teach compassion, environmental science, and world history in schools.

    American greed and ignorance is like a cancer spreading around the world, destroying everything in it’s path.

    • Mistalava

      Ashamed to be an American? You should be ashamed of being a clueless idiot.

      • Ashley Yoshida

        You should change your name to Mistahitler.

    • Guest

      Reading through your comments it seems you’re the one who needs to learn compassion. Don’t try hiding your bigotry and anti-Americanism behind the bs-ing you’re doing. You could care less about the impoverished U.S. citizen that has no where to turn. Especially if that citizen is white.

      • Ashley Yoshida

        Bigotry? Anti-Americanism? I care about all impoverished citizens regardless of the color of their skin. “Especially if that citizen is white”? So you are a white supremacist. Lovely.

    • Terra Magnum Imperium

      No The Mexico is not a poor country but it’s Government has to deal with corrupt institutions and care for it’s own poor Instead of importing it’s low IQ losers here with the hope of family remittances.

      • http://ironicsurrealism.com/ Velvet Hammer

        Right. On.

      • Ashley Yoshida

        The Mexico? Back to second grade for you.

        • Terra Magnum Imperium

          Really, So you have never made a grammar or spelling error while writing.
          Try debunking my commits instead…

          • Ashley Yoshida

            If I knew what a commit was I could try.

    • http://ironicsurrealism.com/ Velvet Hammer

      Soooo how much can we put you down for? One dozen? Two? More?
      Yeah, that’s what I thought, hypocritical compassion thy name is Ashley.

      • Ashley Yoshida

        I spent fifteen years in Mexico helping poor people smart ass. What have you done to help anyone?

        • Juju

          Then hop on a bus, take them back, STAY there and continue to “help”.

    • Terra Magnum Imperium

      So ashamed of your country and race, then leave
      the USA would be better off without you. Mexico’s corrupt government is the reason it’s poor but your big government liberal beliefs have blinded you to that reality.
      America is reason places like Mexico and Africa have food.
      World History = It’s all the white mans fault….

  • Ashley Yoshida

    Ever hear of corporate welfare?

    • Lame_Duck_Dems

      WTF does corporate welfare have to do with this topic?

  • HonestDebate1

    This is awful. Somebody hug them. Please.

  • Mistalava

    Let’s use the proper terminology… these are criminals whose first act on US soil is to disregard the law by entering the country ILLEGALLY. They have no rights here and certainly are not entitled to privileges — like complaining about the food and accommodations.

    Heck, if conditions are so poor in their own countries, you would think the eggs and burritos would be an upgrade, cuisine-wise.

    Is anyone buying into the story that this massive influx of minors managed to plan and negotiate a thousands of miles long trip randomly and on their own? If so, you are delusional.

    Yeah, they will be fine additions to the population and to liberal politics when they are granted asylum and the “right” to vote. Nothing like importing a freeloading constituency.

    Ship these parasitical urchins back across the border chop-chop and spend the resources to Americans in need.

    • Ashley Yoshida

      Are you the devil? “parasitical urchins”? Seriously WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? I hope you are in prison, because that’s where an evil person like you belongs.

      • Mistalava

        Good thing you are not in charge Ashley. Your judgmental attitude is only exceeded by your naive myopia. If it were up to you the remaining rights and assets of US citizens would be wiped out by opening the borders and having a free for all. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

        • Ashley Yoshida

          Yeah, and you’d be out on your ass.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Actually you would be Ashley, When the USA collapses due to idiot liberal polices like yours “open borders and embracing diversity” Liberals are going to the first to go. why, Nobody likes a race traitor.
            South Africa case in point.

      • Terra Magnum Imperium

        Ashley, there comes a point when we in the USA have to say enough is enough. We have our own problems here like hungry children. If the US stopped these Parasitical Urchins at the border you can bet your burrito that squat monsters would never cross the Mexican / Guadalamala

        • Ashley Yoshida

          Wow. That’s a lot of vitriol and hate coming from a ten-year-old.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Ashley, instead of ad hominem attacks, why don’t you “try” and debate how importing 3rd world poverty is going to be beneficial to the USA . we already lack the low skilled jobs that most of these low IQ illegals are able to do not to mention the cost of bilingual education which is a waste because most of them will probably end up on welfare. If these people want a better life then fix their own countries instead of running away from their problems…

        • Grong

          You are hitler.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Why, because I don’t want the USA to become Mexico?

    • vp

      And the Cubans as well. They get more entitlements than our own citizens do.

  • Todd Perry

    Whats is worse is our own US government is responsible for most of the violence in Mexico as they furnish the drug cartel military weapons and free passage for some into the US to sell their drugs in exchange for Intel on their competition.

    • nickj123

      no – actually they buy the from regular good ol’ fashion american entrepeneurial gunrunners -

  • Ashley Yoshida

    Ron, I’d like to present mistalava as exhitbit A. Americans in general don’t understand the realities of most places in the world And they don’t care. American “Hard times” and Mexican “Hard times” are very different.

    • Mistalava

      You are going to do well in the New World Order, where individual nations citizens’ rights, self rule and values are a thing of the past.

      • Ashley Yoshida

        Anyone who can call a child a “parasite” has serious issues. Tell your wife if you have one, tell your mother, tell a co-worker that you think of poor desperate children as parasites and see what their reaction is. Don’t take my word for it.

        “The boat is full”?

        Is that all you have? Make the boat bigger,
        make the cabins smaller, whatever. But don’t throw children overboard to drown.
        These “criminals” are the same as the criminals who colonized “New America”. They are desperate people risking their lives for a better future. What part of that don’t you get?

    • Juju

      You’re 100% correct! I DON’T care about other’s realities. I care about my OWN. Just like the USA should care about it’s OWN and not everyone else’s in the damn world!!!!!!

  • RockheadedMama

    Lots of misinformation being bandied about.

    #1: This has not been caused, in any way, by President Obama.

    From the Christian Science Monitor: “They note that the current surge began in 2012, when President Obama signed an executive action that allowed undocumented immigrants who were brought to the country as minors to defer deportation proceedings for two years. Last week, the administration announced plans that would allow these immigrants to defer their deportations a further two years.

    None of the unaccompanied minors crossing the border illegally now would qualify. Mr. Obama’s actions apply only to undocumented immigrants who came to the US before June 15, 2007.” [...]

    “Word has gotten out around the world about President Obama’s lax immigration enforcement policies and it has encouraged more individuals to come to the United States illegally, many of whom are children,” Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R) of Virginia, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said in a statement.”

    Now, I am quite sure that Bob Goodlatte is not ignorant of the facts, but is, instead spreading misinformation to try to make the President look bad. Something *conservatives* have done on every issue, at every opportunity (many of those opportunities manufactured by *conservatives*), every single day of this President’s administration. SMH.

    #2 From the Washington Post: “After engaging with the children and U.S. personnel, my staff learned that many of the children were smuggled across the border after hearing radio ads promising they would not be deported,” Feinstein said. “My staff also heard that religious organizations are spreading the same message.”

    “A leaked internal memo written by Border Patrol agents in the Rio Grande Valley offers additional evidence of such perceptions. The document was distributed to reporters and congressional offices this week by the conservative Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for limited immigration. It is a summary of interviews on May 28 with 230 youths and women from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador who were apprehended trying to enter the United States.”

    So, I wonder who is paying for international radio ads telling the people these lies? It couldn’t be anyone who is trying to cause a crises for Obama, would it? You know, someone with billions of dollars that could orchestrate such a thing? JS.

    #3: Let’s get the terminology correct, shall we? The large majority of these immigrants are not “illegals” but are “refugees”. In fact, according to the Christian Science Monitor:

    “The massive border breach by “unaccompanied alien children” has been building since 2012, going from 6,560 in fiscal year 2011 to an estimated 90,000 this year, and a possible 150,000 in 2015. Of those, as many as two-thirds should qualify as legitimate refugees because their fears of persecution in their home countries – whether from gangs or political factions – seem to be well-founded, according to a report by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).” [...]

    “The UNHCR, in a February report, claimed most of the children are fleeing violence and political persecution in Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate in the world, according to the UN Office of Drugs and Crime. The report also notes that the bulk of asylum-seekers aren’t coming to the US, but instead seeking protection from countries like Mexico, Belize, Costa Rica, and Nicaragua.”

    #4 “refugees” are not immediately deported, but are allowed trials and can stay here until their trials and appeals have completed. That is US LAW and, some of those laws were passed under President BUSH, not Obama.

    “In 2003, federal care for unaccompanied children crossing the border was moved from the law enforcement branch of the former Immigration and Naturalization Service to the Department of Health and Human Services. Since then, the US has taken extra care when looking at asylum requests from unaccompanied minors. A 2008 human trafficking law also added protections.”

    And, for all you Law and Order people out there:

    “The US is a signatory to a 1951 UN refugee treaty that says anyone who crosses the border and shows signs of being at risk cannot be sent back until their circumstances have been investigated thoroughly.

    “We’re not dealing with groups of people here who are not entitled to US protection,” says James Hathaway, the director of the Program in Refugee and Asylum Law at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. “Quite the contrary, we’re dealing with a population that actually seems to in very large measure qualify for protection that we offered to provide by signing the UN Refugee Convention.”

    #5 President Obama is not enforcing our borders. As someone who has crossed our southern border many many times, I call bull hockey.

    “Overall, Border Patrol apprehensions of undocumented migrants are still running at less than half of the rate of 2000-06, when they typically exceeded 1 million a year.”

    and,

    …”Immigration and Customs Enforcement data showing the Obama administration has deported more than 2 million migrants.”

  • http://ironicsurrealism.com/ Velvet Hammer

    They are not migrants. They are illegal aliens.

  • Regular_Listener

    This is a terrible story, and certainly any decent person would feel great sympathy for these kids. They are refugees – refugees from poverty, from crime. from disfunctional governments. But they are not war refugees and should not be given war refugee status. Instead, the US government should be doing more to help provide the governments of Central American countries to manage their population growth and develop better programs for dealing with the problems within their borders.

  • Lame_Duck_Dems

    Just like a libtard from the Dumbasscrat Party—cannot win the argument/debate; so resort to personal attacks. Do you STUPID libs EVER think?

    • Lame_Duck_Dems

      @MUFFEN-DIVER—-Yeah, I am an ASS! That is what you are yelling to your 175lb butch dyke partner, as you two are walking into a Melissa Etheridge concert.
      OH, by the way. Your ’60s style black horn-rimmed glasses does not make you any smarter.

  • YRUW8NG4HOT H2O

    I have to agree with my wife’s thoughts…. “Their parents in Mexico are the ones who enjoyed the sex making these kids…Let them have the obligations and responsibilities…SEND THEM BACK”.

    America has acquired so much debt being the world police for human rights. Even our kids, children won’t be able to pay off the national debt. But, plenty of American citizens keep welcoming illegals into “our” country without ever considering the repercussions. If your not ready to adopt 2 or 3 illegals …then STFU about letting them stay. Otherwise, get your butt down to your local courthouse and adopt.

  • EL CHUPAS

    WHY WHITE PEOPLE OR BLACK SAY THIS IS OUR COUNTRY(AMERICA)
    AMERICA IS NOT YOU ALL COUNTRY MAYBE AFRICA OR EUROPE
    THIS LAND 500 YEARS AGO DON’T HAVE BLACK OR WHITE PEOPLE
    YOU ALL COMING OVER HERE IN STEAL THE LAND FROM THE NATIVES
    AND NOW YOU FEEL THAT THIS IS YOU ALL COUNTRY?????
    HJHAHAHAHAHAH
    NOW PEOPLE DOING THE SAME THAT THE ILIGELS IMIGRANTS FROM EUROPE DID YEARS AGO AND NOW THEY DONT LIKE IT HAHAHAHAHA
    WHITE PEOPLE GO BACK WHERE YOU ALL BELONG(ITALY,ENGLAND,RUSSIA ETC. ETC.)
    THE CONTINENT OF NORTH AMERICA NEVER WAS FOR WHITE PEOPLE

  • Juju

    Put their butts on a bus and SEND THEM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Michele Briere

    If my g.g.g grandparents had not come here from Hungary (through Ellis Island), I would not be here. There are no more people of my maternal grandfather’s family left in Hungary. They were killed. They were Jewish. Do you how the children of Jewish families survived? They were sent across lines, in the underground, to be raised with other families.

    Anyone here who has Jewish ancestry, black ancestry, any ancestry of a people that were enslaved and/or killed for their religion or the color of their skin, should have a little more understanding of these children and their desperate families.

    If you were in their place, wouldn’t you send your child off so that they had a chance at life?

  • Terra Magnum Imperium

    Cuba did the same thing.

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