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Bowe Bergdahl. The President in Europe. Tiananmen at 25. Migrant children.

Group of 7 leaders from front center right clockwise, U.S. President Barack Obama, French President Francois Hollande, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, European Council President Herman Van Rompuy, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and British Prime Minister David Cameron a G7 summit at the EU Council building in Brussels on Thursday, June 5, 2014. (AP)

Group of 7 leaders from front center right clockwise, U.S. President Barack Obama, French President Francois Hollande, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, European Council President Herman Van Rompuy, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and British Prime Minister David Cameron a G7 summit at the EU Council building in Brussels on Thursday, June 5, 2014. (AP)

They’re above the beach in Normandy today, remembering the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.  The president, European leaders, Vladimir Putin, World War II vets.  Beyond the beach, it’s been a tough week for Western unity.  Putin cut out at the G7 meeting.  But France selling Russia a warship.  Negative interest rates.  At home, uproar over Bowe Bergdahl and the swap for Taliban commanders.  A Tea Party surge in a key Republican primary in Mississippi.  A big EPA climate push to rein in dirty power plants.  This hour On Point:  Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

– Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Molly Ball, national political staff writer at The Atlantic magazine. (@mollyesque)

Margaret Brennan, foreign policy reporter for CBS News. (@margbrennan)

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

CBS News: Military: Bergdahl had left his post at least once before Taliban capture — “When he was captured, Bergdahl had less than a year of military service and his official performance record was without blemish. But an internal military investigation conducted after his 2009 disappearance found that he had wandered off post without permission at least once before.”

The Atlantic: Thad Cochran, the Last of the Naive Republicans – “Cochran didn’t pose for any pictures during his brief sweep. As he made his way toward the exit, the senator held out his hand to me. I had met and interviewed him less than half an hour before.  ‘Hello, how are you doing?’ he said with a kindly smile. ‘I’m Thad Cochran.’”

NPR: GM Review Found ‘History Of Failures’ In Ignition Switch Debacle, CEO Says — “An internal inquiry into the long-delayed ignition switch recall by General Motors found an 11-year ‘history of failures,’ CEO Mary Barra says. She announced the findings of an investigation into how the company handled a deadly defect with ignition switches at a Thursday morning news conference. “

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  • SteveTheTeacher

    While the killing of innocent civilians is generally considered unconscionable, many in the US are willing to accept it when it occurs as “collateral damage” as the US government’s undertakes drone and signature (crowd killing) strikes aimed at killing “terrorists.”

    One person who is not so keen on the US drone/crowd killing program is one of the original architects of what would become the program, former top counterterrorism official, Richard Clarke. Going much further than he did a few weeks ago on OnPoint, in a DemocracyNow interview, Clarke said:

    “President Clinton did authorize CIA to attempt to arrest bin Laden and failing that, he authorized the use of lethal force. That was a time when we crossed the barrier and actually had a name on a hit list. We knew, however, the Israelis had been doing this for a long time, coming up with hit lists. We knew it was extremely counterproductive in their case. We wanted to avoid that. Fast-forward to the Bush administration and then the Obama administration, and you have, as I described in Chapter two of the novel, a kill committee. People who sit around in the White House passing folders back and forth of names and voting on who they’re going to kill. I just find that it went way too far. If any of us back in the Clinton administration would have imagined that in the same room, in the same chairs a few years later, people would be sitting around with a long lists and folders with pictures and names of people and voting on who would live and who would die, I think we might never have authorized the first use of lethal force against bin Laden.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/6/2/ex_counterterrorism_czar_richard_clarke_bush

  • SteveTheTeacher

    Will any OnPoint commentator mention the assessment of former top counterterrorism official, Richard Clarke, that Bush administration officials are guilty of War Crimes?

    Clarke’s comments, ignored by the mainstream media, are as follows:

    “I think things that they authorized probably fall within the area of war crimes. Whether that would be productive or not, I think is a discussion we could all have. We have established procedures now with the International Criminal court and the Hague where people who take actions as serving presidents or prime ministers of countries have been indicted and have been tried. So the precedent is there to do that sort of thing. I think we need to ask ourselves whether or not it would be useful to do that. In the case of members of the Bush administration. It is clear that things that the Bush administration did, in my mind at least it is clear, that some of the things they did were war crimes.” (http://www.democracynow.org/2014/6/2/ex_counterterrorism_czar_richard_clarke_bush)

    • JONBOSTON

      Richard Clarke is a dishonorable person lacking any character. He stood by and let a special prosecutor investigate innocent Bush administration officials over the Valerie Plame affair.

      • JS

        I assume that’s sarcasm?

      • northeaster17

        Yeah that was Clark’s job. Just stop those nasty prosecutors.

      • JGC

        Scooter Libby, Cheney’s beard, innocent?

        That episode brought about one of the moments when GW Bush showed strength of character, by even though commuting Libby’s sentence after conviction, resisted pressure to give him a presidential pardon.

      • hennorama

        JONBOSTON — attacking the source rather than addressing the substance?

        Many claim that’s my MO, so please cease and desist.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Please define “things”. The original post is devoid of ANY specific charges and therefore is impossible to evaluate.

          • hennorama

            WftC — Thank you for your response.

            You may have noticed, but if you haven’t yet — I did not originate this thread.

          • SteveTheTeacher

            Here are a few (269) from Michael Haas (http://www.uswarcrimes.com/?page_id=54):

            LEGALITY OF WAR
            Armed aggression, under current international law, is prohibited unless there is an urgent, immediate need to respond to an ongoing attack from another country. Even in the case of legitimate self-defense, the matter must be approved subsequently by the UN Security Council.
            #1 Waging Aggressive War
            #2 Aiding Rebels in a Civil War
            #3 Threatening Aggressive War
            #4 Planning & Preparing for a War of Aggression
            #5 Conspiracy to Wage War
            #6 Propaganda For War

            CONDUCT OF WAR
            The principle that innocent civilians should be protected from the ravages of warfare has been established for 1,600 years. In the present, that principle has been extended to prohibitions on various targets, cruel weapons, undisciplined behavior by soldiers and commanders, and on the use of mercenaries.
            Prohibited Targets
            #7 Failure to Observe the Neutrality of a Hospital
            #8 Destruction of Undefended Targets
            #9 Bombing of Edifices Devoted to Art, Charity, Religion, & Science
            #10 Failure to Compensate
            #11 Naval Bombardment of Undefended Buildings, Dwellings, Towns, & Villages
            #12 Bombing of Neutral Countries
            #13 Failure to Observe the Neutrality of Hospital Employees
            #14 Failure to Respect the Neutrality of a Voluntary Aid Society
            #15 Hostile Acts on the Ground Directed at a Museum
            #16 Indiscriminate Attacks Against Civilians
            #17 Failure to Protect Cultural Property
            Prohibited Weapons
            #18 Use of Arms and Projectiles to Cause Superfluous Injury
            #19 Use of Napalm
            #20 Use of White Phosphorous
            #21 Use of Depleted Uranium Weapons
            Misconduct by Soldiers
            #22 Killing or Wounding Civilians Treacherously
            #23 Failure to Accept the Surrender of Combatants
            #24 Pillage
            #25 Failure to Attend to the Wounded
            #26 Failing to Provide Proper Burials to Enemy Soldiers Killed in Combat
            #27 Excessive Targeting of Civilians
            Misconduct by Commanders
            #28 Failure to Notify Authorities of Bombardments
            #29 Indiscriminate Naval Bombardments
            #30 Naval Bombardments Without Warning
            #31 Extrajudicial Executions
            #32 Reprisals Against Innocent Civilians
            #33 Depriving Civilians of Food & Drinking Water
            #34 Excessive Military Force
            #35 Failure to Provide Battlefield Officers with Appropriate Legal Advice
            #36 Failure to Prosecute Commanding Officers for Failure to Stop Battlefield Offenses
            #37 Failure of Commanding Officers to Report Battlefield Offenses to Their Superiors
            #38 Failure of Commanding Officers to Ensure That Subordinates Understand Geneva Convention Obligations Regarding the Conduct of Warfare
            #39 Failure of Commanding Officers to Prevent Subordinates from Plotting War Crimes on the Battlefield
            #40 Failure of Commanding Officers to Discipline or Prosecute Subordinates Who Commit War Crimes on the Battlefield
            Prohibited Combatants
            #41 Funding War Mercenaries
            #42 Mercenaries Have Engaged in Combat

            MISTREATMENT OF PRISONERS
            The television series “Hogan’s Heroes” portrays a prison camp for Americans in Nazi Germany during World War II. Although the series takes excessive liberties for comedic purposes, the basic conditions of the camp in many ways conform to the requirements of the Prisoner of War (POW) Convention of 1929 and earlier treaties. Germany, nevertheless, sometimes used prisoner compounds as interrogation centers. When the Third Geneva Convention was written in 1949, the excesses of the Japanese and Nazis informed provisions to outlaw many practices. When the Americans initially rounded up suspected terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq, sending some to Guantánamo, the initial military commanders enforced Geneva Convention standards. Soon, President Bush rescinded the Geneva Convention requirements, and new treatment procedures were developed on the fly. The result has been scandalous.
            Violating Standards of Decency
            #43 Inhumane Treatment
            #44 Depriving Prisoners of Their Property
            #45 Religious Mistreatment
            #46 Displaying Prisoners
            #47 Denial of Decent Burial of Prisoners
            #48 Cruel Treatment
            #49 Outrages upon Personal Dignity
            Interrogation Methods
            #50 Reprisals Against Prisoners
            #51 Interrogation Beyond Name, Rank, and Serial Number
            #52 Coercive Techniques
            #53 Threats & Unpleasant Treatment
            #54 Systematic Insults
            #55 Torture
            #56 Taking Hostages
            #57 Failure to Prevent Torture
            #58 Complicity or Participation in Torture
            #59 Failure to Protect Prisoners from Intimidation
            #60 Use of Weapons Against Prisoners
            Unacceptable Living Conditions
            #61 Inadequate Food
            #62 Inadequate Clothing
            #63 Inadequate Shelter
            #64 Cramped Housing
            #65 Close Confinement
            #66 Internment on Ships at Sea
            #67 Internment in Penitentiaries
            #68 Inadequate Heating
            #69 Inadequate Lighting
            #70 Habitual Diet Ignored
            #71 Prisoners Disallowed from Food Preparation
            #72 Solitary Confinement
            #73 Prisoners Not Allowed to Eat Together
            #74 Lack of Prison Canteens
            #75 Prisoners Not Allowed to Receive Funds to Purchase Personal Items
            Health Aspects
            #76 Mistreatment of Wounded Prisoners
            #77 Killing & Wounding Prisoners Treacherously
            #78 Unhygienic Housing
            #79 Water Deprivation
            #80 Unhealthful Incarceration
            #81 Murder
            #82 Mutilation
            #83 Reckless Endangerment of Health in Prison
            #84 Involuntary Experimentation
            #85 Reckless Endangerment of Health During Transfers
            #86 Denial of Medical Care
            #87 Failure to Provide Treatment for Medically Incompetent Prisoners
            #88 Locating a Prison in a Combat Zone
            #89 Inadequate Nutrition
            #90 Inadequate Infirmary, Surgical, & Hospital Care
            #91 Failure to Provide Care for the Disabled
            #92 Failure to Keep Proper Medical Records
            #93 Failure to Weigh Prisoners
            #94 Failure to Detect or Treat Contagious Diseases
            #95 Failure to Provide Appropriate Medical Records upon Release
            #96 Failure to Properly Annotate Death Certificates
            #97 Failure to Properly Investigate Causes of Prisoner Deaths
            #98 Violating Medical Ethics
            #99 Failure to Rehabilitate Victims of Torture
            Activities Disallowed
            #100 Tobacco Deprivation
            #101 Exercise Deprivation
            #102 Inadequate Recreational Opportunities
            Transfers
            #103 Prisoners Transferred to Countries Practicing Torture
            #104 Failure to Recall Prisoners Who Have Been Tortured After Their Transfer to Other Countries
            #105 Inhumane Transfer of Prisoners
            #106 Failure to Notify Prisoners in Advance of Transfers
            Complaints, Representatives, and Discipline
            #107 Failure to Allow Prisoners to Complain About Captivity Conditions
            #108 Failure to Respond to Complaints of Prisoners Alleging Torture
            #109 Failure to Allow Prisoners to Elect Representatives
            #110 Repeated Punishment
            #111 Punishment for Offenses Not Applied to American Soldiers
            #112 Corporal Punishment
            #113 Confinement Without Daylight
            #114 Unequal Treatment of Disciplined Prisoners
            #115 Punishment Exceeding Thirty Days
            #116 Discipline Without Following Procedures
            Juridical Aspects
            #117 Failure to Treat Captured Belligerents as Prisoners of War
            #118 Secret Detainees
            #119 Failure to Advise Prisoners of Their Right to Counsel
            #120 Denial of Right to Counsel
            #121 Failure to Try Accused Prisoners in a Regularly Constituted Court
            #122 Sentencing Without Having a Regularly Constituted Court
            #123 Failure to Use a Competent Tribunal to Determine Whether to Detain Prisoners
            #124 Prisoners Have Been Forced to Renounce Their Rights
            #125 Depriving Prisoners of Identity Documents
            #126 Failure to Disseminate Geneva Convention Protections
            #127 Failure to Post the Geneva Conventions
            #128 Failure to Translate the Geneva Conventions for Prisoners
            #129 Failure to Publicly State How Prisoners Are to Be Handled
            #130 Failure to Transmit Legal Documents to Prisoners
            #131 Failure to Allow Visits Between Lawyers and Prisoners
            #132 Failure to Put Prisoners on Trial in Impartial Tribunals
            #133 Forced Self-Incrimination
            #134 Failure to Provide Speedy Trials
            #135 Denial of the Right to Call Witnesses
            #136 Failure to Advise Prisoners of Geneva Convention Rights
            #137 Failure to Facilitate Selection by Prisoners of Their Attorneys
            #138 Failure to Allow the United Nations to Provide Attorneys for Prisoners
            #139 Failure to Provide Attorneys Free Access to Prisoners
            #140 Failure to Provide Privacy During Visits Between Attorneys & Prisoners
            #141 Failure to Translate Legal Documents for Prisoners
            #142 No Right of Appeal
            #143 Failure to Inform Prisoners Promptly of Charges Against Them
            #144 Failure to Inform Prisoners’ Attorneys of Charges Against Prisoners Whom They Represent
            #145 Secrecy in Judicial Proceedings
            #146 Failure to Prosecute Those Responsible for Prisoner Deaths
            #147 Absolving Liability for Redress
            #148 Refusal to Allow Cross-Examinations
            #149 Failure to Provide Appropriate Legal Advice to Military Commanders Regarding Prisoners
            #150 Failure to Prosecute Commanding Officers Taking No Action to Stop Abuse of Prisoners
            #151 Failure of Commanding Officers to Report Offenses Against Prisoners to Superiors
            #152 Failure of Commanding Officers to Ensure That Subordinates Understand Geneva Convention Obligations Regarding Prisoners
            #153 Failure of Commanding Officers to Prevent or Stop Subordinates from Mistreating Prisoners
            #154 Failure of Commanding Officers to Discipline or Prosecute Subordinates Who Mistreat Prisoners
            #155 Attempting to Justify Torture
            #156 Failure to Arrest & Prosecute Torturers
            #157 Failure to Investigate Allegations of Torture
            #158 Refusal to Cooperate in Investigations & Prosecutions of Torturers
            #159 Failure to Compensate Victims of Torture
            #160 Admission of Statements Resulting from Torture into Evidence
            Relations Between Prisoners and Outside Groups
            #161 Refusal to Allow the Red Cross Access to Prisoners
            #162 Failure to Establish a Central Prisoner of War Agency
            #163 Failure to Request Assistance from a Humanitarian Organization
            #164 Prisoners Prevented from Contacting the Red Cross and the Red Crescent Society
            #165 Parcels to Prisoners Disallowed
            #166 Failure to Allow Prisoners to Complain to UN Bodies
            #167 Failure to Share Inquest Investigations with the UN
            #168 Failure to Provide Opportunities for Nongovernmental Organizations to Assist the Religious & Other Needs of Prisoners
            #169 Denial of Access of UN Agencies to Places of Departure, Passage, Arrival, & Incarceration
            #170 Failure to Allow UN Officials to Attend Arraignments
            Repatriation
            #171 Failure to Repatriate Prisoners Promptly
            #172 Failure to Repatriate Seriously Ill or Wounded Prisoners
            Contact with Families
            #173 Denial & Delay of Correspondence Between Prisoners & Their Families
            #174 Prisoners Have Not Been Allowed to Send Telegrams
            #175 Failure to Compensate Dependents of Fatal Victims of Torture
            Discrimination
            #176 Sexual Abuse of Females
            #177 Women Confined in Same Facility as Men
            #178 Women Prisoners Searched by Men
            #179 Discrimination Based on Nationality, Race, or Religion
            #180 Elder Abuse
            Treatment of Children
            #181 Transfer of Children from Their Home Countries
            #182 Failure to Obtain Permission from Parents or Guardians for Transfer of Their Children
            #183 Incarceration of Children in the Same Quarters as Adults
            #184 Failure to Provide Education for Imprisoned Children
            #185 Withholding Parental Contact from Child Detainees
            #186 Failure to Inform Parents of the Whereabouts of Detained Children
            #187 Refusal to Allow Child Detainees to Receive Information
            #188 Failure to Protect Child Detainees from Abuse
            #189 Failure to Provide Social Programs for Child Detainees to Deal with Prison Abuse
            #190 Failure to Establish Programs to Prevent Prison Abuse of Child Detainees
            #191 Failure to Investigate Abuse of Child Prisoners
            #192 Failure to Prosecute Prison Personnel Who Abuse Child Detainees
            #193 Failure to Provide Recreational Activities for Child Prisoners
            #194 Inhumane Treatment of Child Detainees
            #195 Indefinite Detainment of Children
            #196 Failure to Allow Parents to Visit Child Detainees
            #197 Failure to Allow Child Prisoners to Have Legal Counsel
            #198 Failure to Provide an Impartial Tribunal for Child Prisoners
            #199 Failure to Provide Speedy Trials for Child Prisoners
            #200 Failure to Provide Post-Confinement Programs for Abused Child Prisoners
            #201 Presumption of the Guilt of Child Prisoners Before Trials
            #202 Failure to Promptly Inform Child Prisoners of Charges Against Them
            #203 Forcing a Child Prisoner to Incriminate Himself
            #204 Failure to Allow Witnesses Testify on Behalf of Child Prisoners
            #205 Failure to Allow Appeals from Trials of Child Prisoners
            Disappearances
            #206 Extraordinary Renditions
            #207 Issuance of Executive Orders Authorizing Enforced Disappearances
            #208 Failure to Prosecute Those Responsible for Enforced Disappearances
            #209 Sending Prisoners to Countries Where Enforced Disappearance is Likely
            #210 Failure to Disclose Basic Information About Victims of Enforced Disappearance to Appropriate Authorities
            #211 Failure to Disclose Basic Information About Victims of Enforced Disappearance to Family & Legal Representatives
            #212 Failure to Provide Verification of Release of Disappeared Detainees
            #213 Failure to Inform Rendered Persons of the Reasons for Their Disappearance, Investigation of Their Case, & Plans for Their Future
            #214 Failure to Release Disappeared Persons
            #215 Failure to Return the Bodies of Those Who Die While Disappeared to Next of Kin
            #216 Failure to Provide Reparation & Compensation to Victims of Enforced Disappearance
            #217 Failure to Cooperate with NGOs Seeking to Rescue Victims of Enforced Disappearance

            CRIMES IN THE POSTWAR OCCUPATIONS
            American forces have remained in Afghanistan from 2001 and Iraq from 2003. In both cases, the United States has recognized that American forces as occupation forces. Because of the unhappy military occupation of Eastern Europe by the Nazis during World War II, the international rules applied to military occupation were strengthened from provisions in the Hague Conventions to the Fourth Geneva Convention and related international agreements. The most formalized occupation was the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which was headquartered in Baghdad from May 12, 2003, to June 28, 2004, under the direct control of L. Paul Bremer III. Nevertheless, the occupation continues so long as foreign troops are on Afghan and Iraqi soil but not subject to the authority of either government.
            Re-Establishing Public Order
            #218 Failure to Re-Establish Public Order and Safety
            #219 Complicity with Pillage
            #220 Failure to Apprehend and Prosecute Looters
            #221 Failure to Provide Security for Hospitals
            #222 Intimidation of Civilians from Living Ordinary Lives
            #223 Failure to Stop the Theft of Cultural Property
            #224 Failure to Protect Journalists
            Civil and Political Conditions
            #225 Failure to Respect the Legal Framework
            #226 Failure to Allow Self-Government
            #227 Failure to Recognize Local Courts
            Criminal Justice Problems
            #228 Unwarranted Interrogation of Civilians
            #229 Collective Punishment
            #230 Cruel Treatment of Civilians
            #231 Unjustified Arrest of Children
            #232 Unjustified Interment
            #233 Transfer to Countries That Persecute Political Opinions
            #234 Failure to Observe Existing Penal Laws
            #235 Penalties Imposed for Past Acts
            #236 Disproportionate Penal Servitude
            #237 Interned Persons, Prisoners of War, and Common Criminals Accommodated and Administered Together
            #238 Failure to Account for Missing Persons
            #239 Failure to Ensure Fair Trials of Repatriated Prisoners
            Economic and Financial Conditions
            #240 Confiscation of Private Property
            #241 Lowering Tax Revenues
            #242 Secret Contract Awards
            #243 Diversion of State Property for Nonmilitary Operations
            #244 Privatizing State Assets
            #245 Failure to Maintain Material Conditions of State Property
            #246 Mass Unemployment
            #247 Failure to Provide Re-Employment Opportunities
            #248 Unnecessary Destruction of Private Property
            #249 Unnecessary Destruction of State Property
            #250 Failure to Provide Necessities of Daily Living
            Discrimination
            #251 Failure to Respect Religious Convictions
            #252 Ethnosectarian Discrimination
            #253 Discrimination in Awarding Contracts
            #254 Gender Discrimination
            #255 Dishonoring Women
            #256 Discrimination Against Nominal Members of a Political Party
            #257 Arrest of Persons for Pre-Occupation Political Opinion
            Social and Cultural Problems
            #258 Failure to Respect Family Honors
            #259 Withholding News from Family Members
            #260 Charging for Formerly Free Government Services
            #261 Failure to Reopen Schools
            #262 Failure to Restore Cultural Property Damaged by Military Operations
            Health Conditions
            #263 Providing Insufficient Food
            #264 Providing Insufficient Medical Supplies
            #265 Reduction in the Quality of Medical Care
            #266 Reduction in the Quality of Public Health
            The Role of Outside Organizations
            #267 Flouting UN Recommendations
            #268 Failure to Accept Relief Organizations
            #269 Failure to Disseminate the Fourth Geneva Convention Text to Occupation Personnel

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Actually I was interested in Richard Clarke’s charge not some leftist who hates America.

          • SteveTheTeacher

            Ad hominem attacks are indicative of one’s inability to challenge ideas on their merit.

          • Ray in VT

            Of course, he must be one of those blame America first types who hates America. Why else would he allege wrong doing, right up to war crimes, against an American President?

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB
  • X Y & Z

    Fellow soldiers call Bowe Bergdahl a deserter, not a hero

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/

  • Human2013

    How a Millionaire, A Socialist, and Some Taco Bell workers Brought a Living wage to Seattle

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/06/05/3445102/seattle-minimum-wage-deal-socialist-millionaire-workers/

    SHAME on the Northeast!

    • Human2013

      WalMarts Executive Bonuses have cost Taxpayers $109 million since 2009

      http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/06/05/3445221/walmart-executive-pay-taxpayers/

      “That $104 million “would have been enough to cover the cost of free school lunches for 33,000 children for those six years,” the report notes. Walmart reported a $17 billion profit last year.”

      ” The disconnect between company performance and CEO pay is so severe that almost one in four of the most well-paid corporate officers in America over the past quarter-century oversaw a bailout, were caught committing fraud, or were fired.”

      • JONBOSTON

        Your comment that money paid by a private company “cost taxpayers” anything is frankly one of the dumbest comments I have ever read unless Obama has nationalized Walmart. Walmart’s decision to pay bonuses cost its shareholders , not taxpayers. And if they objected , they can vote out senior management.

        • Human2013

          Read the article….as always the compensation was not taxed….but all my compensation was taxed!

      • James

        33,000 children? You mean the size of one large suburban school district?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Ah, the disturbed liberal mind; devoid of critical reasoning skill.

        1) $109M in bonus payments created a bonanza of tax revenue for the Federal coffers. No cost to the taxpayer.

        2) Were Walmart executives “caught committing fraud”? Because that is the implication with your two paragraphs.

        Walmart’s fiduciary responsibility is to its shareholders. Many pension funds and retirement accounts depend on Walmart meeting that responsibility.

      • OnPointComments

        There is nothing liberals like to do more than tell us how they would spend other people’s money.

    • http://www.google.com Big Brother

      How soon until unemployment of teens and blacks in Seattle hits 95%?

      • Human2013

        How about never

  • JGC

    There needs to be a program next week on the European Central Bank pushing interest rates below zero.

    • JS

      So, if I take out a loan, they pay me? Where do I sign up?!?

      • Don_B1

        No you still pay positive interest on a loan made to you, but you also pay interest on the amount of money you deposit in the bank.

        But this applies only to banks, so unless you are a bank …

        However, negative interest exists for everyone when the interest rate is less than the rate of inflation, which is why the ECB may well push for a higher rate of inflation in the future as that will encourage people (mainly businesses) to invest in their companies today rather than tomorrow, which would give Europe some needed stimulus and also make it easier for those in debt to pay down that debt.

  • JGC

    Eugene Fidell, a lawyer specializing in military law and former president of the National Institute of Military Justice, was on the Diane Rehm show earlier this week. Here are some of his comments about the Bergdahl situation (condensed and paraphrased):

    On the congressional law, stipulating among other things, that the President has to notify them 30 days before taking actions concerning the Guantanamo detainees (starting at about 09:00 minutes into the Diane Rehm broadcast): “The President has power the power as Commander in Chief to make these kind of decisions on a …case by case basis…It is a core function assigned to the President under the U.S. Constitution…Constitutional responsibility as Commander in Chief trumps the statute; a statute that is unconstitutional applied to this situation…”

    • JGC
    • http://www.google.com Big Brother

      Obama has never made a mistake. or at least an “official” mistake. When he does make a mistake, his minions talk about how his clothes are made from the finest silk in all the land.

    • John Cedar

      That sounds like a plausible legal argument. The time for the part time, adjunct constitutional law amateur lecturer, to make such an argument would have been before he signed a different argument into law.

      • JGC

        It is definitely an interesting argument. On the legality of signing statements, it has to be noted that when a law is presented to a president for signature, he has the option to veto that bill. If vetoed, the law can always go back to Congress for another vote (albeit a higher bar for passage, but still it can go back to a vote).

        However, with the signing statement, there is no way for Congress to reassert their influence on the direction of the law. The only way to get further clarification is for the question on application of signing statements to go to the Supreme Court for adjudication, which in itself presents another interesting situation: Justice Alito was one of the main Justice Department lawyers to craft the modern interpretation of signing statements’ expansion of presidential powers during the Reagan administration.

    • JS

      I thought that I learned in the 2000′s that if the President does it, then it’s legal.

      • MrNutso

        You’re thinking of the May 1977 Nixon Frost interviews.

        • JS

          I think that claim was repeated in the 2000′s:

          http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cheney_If_president_does_it_during_1221.html

          ” Asked by Chris Wallace if it’s legal when the president makes a decision to help the country when it’s fighting a war, Cheney said, “As a general proposition, I’d say yes.”

          “You need to be more specific than that, but clearly when you take the oath to support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic, there’s no question about what your responsibilities are in that regard,” Cheney said. “

  • http://www.google.com Big Brother

    Does Putin wear his necklace with Obama’s brass ones under his shirt or outside his shirt?

    • jimino

      Did your daddy have a picture of Khrushchev on the wall?

  • X Y & Z
    • adks12020

      Sorry, but the author of that article is an opinion writer for the Daily Caller, a conservative news/opinion website founded by, of all people, Tucker Carlson. Forgive me if I I don’t take any stock whatsoever in what he has to say.

      • JS

        You must be new here.

      • Coastghost

        What a principled objection! Guardian daily readership exceeds Telegraph daily readership by a scant 100,000, or at least NRS figures for 2012 so reported.

      • HonestDebate1

        How can you not like Chatsworth?

    • Ray in VT

      So, how many millions of jobs do you want to claim were lost last month?

  • http://www.google.com Big Brother

    I have a feeling this show will be people saying, “It feels like rain to me too.”

  • James

    The European Central Bank is now issuing negative interest rates to it’s commercial lender.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/june-ecb-decision-2014-6

    Well this should be interesting…

  • John Cedar

    Cheney served in other ways. For instance, he oversaw Halliburton’s web of offshoring which allowed them to legally do business with Iran

    • northeaster17

      Not to mention the positioning of his company to reap the most from his Iraq war efforts

    • Don_B1

      In other words, Mr. Cheney, as Halliburton’s CEO, maneuvered to do what would have been illegal for ordinary citizens technically if not morally legally.

  • jimino

    “Republicans Frantically Scrub Their Praise Of Bowe Bergdahl . . . . Unprepared for their own party’s outrage over the prisoner swap that led to the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, at least three well-known Republicans did what they could to expunge their initial celebrations of the soldier’s rescue.”

    Can these people, who will easily garner virtually unanimous support from so-called conservatives, themselves willfully ignorant due to manipulation from their sources of information/propaganda, be any more shallow and unprincipled? It’s almost like their allegiance is to something other than our country.

    • Jill122

      Six republicans frantically scrub their tweets of support for a soldier’s return home. http://tinyurl.com/m5m5ce2

      • Ray in VT

        But that is the party of straight shooters who stand by their principles, or so it is alleged.

  • X Y & Z

    Jeffrey Toobin: Obama ‘Clearly Broke the Law’ on Bergdahl

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jeffrey-toobin-obama-clearly-broke-the-law-on-bergdahl/

    • Mike

      Yeah, and broke not just “the” law — but broke “his” law — one that he helped to author, and one that he signed.

      • X Y & Z

        Obama will probably claim that’s what paper shredders are for.

        • Mike

          That, or he simply doesn’t care about perceptions or image anymore. He’s just brazenly out there lying, contradicting himself, breaking campaign promises. D’ja ever notice that he refers to The Constitution as “our traditions” when he wants to ignore it, and “the law of the land” when he wants to abide by it?

    • OnPointComments

      Some others agree with Toobin:

      “It comes with some surprise and dismay that the transfers went ahead with no consultation, totally not following the law…I strongly believe that we should have been consulted, that the law should have been followed. And I very much regret that that was not the case.”
      –Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.), Senate Intelligence Committee chairman

      “There certainly was time to pick up the phone and call and say, ‘I know you all had concerns about this, we consulted in the past, we want you to know we have renewed these negotiations.’ “–Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.), Senate Intelligence Committee chairman

      “I don’t like it when the White House says the Intelligence committees were briefed. Because we weren’t. Dianne wasn’t. I wasn’t. Saxby wasn’t. Burr wasn’t. And Wyden wasn’t. And we are the five senior people. Even that I can live with, but when they say, ‘Oh yes, they were briefed.’ What they are referring to is 2011-2012 when I was still in grade school.”
      –Jay Rockefeller (D., W.V.), former Senate Intelligence Committee chairman

      “I haven’t had a conversation with the White House on this issue in a year and a half. If that’s keeping us in the loop, then this administration is more arrogant than I thought they were.”
      –Saxby Chambliss (R., Ga.)

      Then you have the clueless and despicable Harry Reid parroting Hillary Clinton:

      Reporter: “How come it seems that you were the only one who got a heads-up the day before?”

      Harry Reid: “I’m not sure I’m the only one. I mean, this is making a big deal over nothing. The whole deal, is it Friday or Saturday? What difference does it make? What difference does it make?”

      • X Y & Z

        Obama call Congress? That would give less time to golf.

  • jimino

    As we commemorate the anniversary of Tienanmen Square massacre, we can look back fondly on the policies implemented by our own economic and political elite to send U.S. jobs to those who did the killing, lend those Americans who lost their jobs money at usurious interest rates so they could go into debt to buy what those foreign workers made, then tax the brilliant capitalists who devised this plan to destroy the middle class and our economy at the lowest rates ever.

  • JONBOSTON

    Today is the 70th anniversary of D-Day and Obama will give another speech that will quickly be forgotten with all his other less than memorable worthless speeches. And why is that? It is because his speeches are nothing but nice sounding words devoid of any meaning or substance. They are hollow, empty, and weak. Liberals are good at that. Spending is an investment; an illegal immigrant is an undocumented immigrant ; domestic terrorism is workplace violence and at a time of war Obama says the Afghan war is over and so it must be over . But as the WSJ’s Bret Stephens wrote this week , “We are not in a time of War. We are in Time of Obama”. In Time of Obama , dereliction of duty is heroism, releasing mass murderers with American blood on their hands is a good way to start a peace process, negotiating with terrorists is not negotiating with terrorists, and exchanging senior Taliban commanders for a lone soldier is not an incentive to take other Americans hostage but rather proof that America brings its people home”.

    Forget that Bergdahl took off his uniform and deserted or that American servicemen remain in Afghanistan another two years to fight theTaliban. Obama and his flunkies like Susan Rice, Chuck Hagel , Jay Carney may say that Bergdhal served with ” honor and distinction” but they have no idea how offensive he and his administration has become to anyone who has served this country honorably. Obama spoke at West Point earlier this week and spoke to a corps of cadets who , unlike their Commander-in Chief, truly know what the words ” Duty, Honor , and Country” mean. To Obama they are just words. To our West Point grads , these words are , as General MacArthur said to graduating cadets ” three hallowed words [that] reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying point to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems little cause for faith,to create hope when hope becomes forlorn.”. Never has our country been more poorly served by any president . It’s sad to say but I doubt Obama has any understanding of the values , traditions and beliefs that have made America great and a truly exceptional country. Perhaps , while looking at the rows and rows of white crosses and stars of David at Normandy he will begin to understand. I can only hope.

    • northeaster17

      “Never has our country been more poorly served by any president. It’s sad to say but I doubt Obama has any understanding of the values , traditions and beliefs that have made America great and a truly exceptional country”
      How could he understand? He is not even an American.

      • JS

        Sarcasm?

      • jefe68

        He’s Hawaiian…

        • Ray in VT

          Have a strange and exotic land. No wonder he knows nothing of the real ‘Merica.

          • jefe68

            I think Joan Rivers has a joke about this…

    • Coastghost

      From Omaha Beach to Obama-Bergdahl in only seven decades: yikes.

  • Ed75

    .. then the father of Sargeant Bergdahl (sp.?) accepted the honor from President Obama, speaking in Pashtun, and went on to praise the name of Allah … Is this a cartoon? It reminds me of a Mel Brooks movie, as if a father in WWII had accepted the award and spoken in German and was wearing a Nazi uniform …

    • JS

      No, it’s as if a father in WWII had accepted the award and spoken in German, nothing more.

      Unless you consider all Muslins terrorists?

      • Mike

        He didn’t say anything about considering anyone a terrorist. He’s simply raising a reasonable question: why and how did the Father learn an obscure (for US citizens) language, such as Pashtun? Is it just chance that the Father knows Pashtun, and his son was in Afghanistan? And that his son has been accused of favoring the Afghani people over the US, and that the Father praised him for his concern for Afghanis? Journalists should be asking these questions, yet they aren’t.

        • AnneDH

          Plus this question: If the son was/is favoring the Afghani people over the US, why was he held captive for five years?

          • Mike

            Right. I agree. It’s obvious.

          • JS

            Aren’t we on the same side as the “Afgan People”?

          • Mike

            If we are on their side, then what was this kid’s beef with the US military? If he wanted to help the Afghan people, and that’s what the US military is doing, then why did he desert?

          • JS

            It seems in his email that he thought we weren’t helping the Afgan people (he mentions soldiers talking about running down Afgan children with trucks).

            Still no proof he deserted. He walked off base 2 previous times and returned. Leaving with no intention of returning is desertion.

          • Mike

            So what is YOUR understanding of what we’re supposed to be doing there? How are we supposed to be helping the Afghan people, since you claim that’s the goal of being there?

          • JS

            Help secure their country from “insurgents”.

          • Mike

            Right. So the goal “morphs” from the original objective of hunting down Bin Laden. And we are there to help them “hunt down” insurgents — and we do this. And then we release the top 5 insurgents that we spent all that time hunting. It doesn’t add up, does it? I suspect that we have a very different goal there, and it is the goal that Brzezinski advocated in his several books on the Middle East — that of balkanizing these countries — creating chaos within them — so that they can’t unify into a block. That is the only explanation for all of this illogical boloney. And we all know that Brzezinski advised Obama, who Obama referred to him as “my good friend”.

          • JS

            I think it “morphed” because Bush lost Bin Laden at Tora Bora, Al Queda pretty much left Afganistan for Pakistan, and Bush needed a new enemy to use to justify the continued war.

            I will never support the Taliban, but I never saw a reason to rusk American lives to drive them out of Afganistan.

            And there were reports that at the eleventh hour high ranking Taliban official were seeking talks with American officials to talk about handing over Bin LAden to spaer their country, and themsleves, an American Attack. But that wouldn’t have been good for ratings and for Rumsfled plans to use it an a stepping stone ot attack Iraq.

            Maybe I mis-remember, but I don’t recall the Taliban attacking us before we invaded the country they were ruling at the time. Now they are lumped in as “terrorist” for fighting to reclaim their power.

          • Mike

            Yeah, well, I don’t think the Taliban would have attacked us in Afghanistan prior to our going in there because we weren’t there.
            And what I think you’re misremembering is that we went into IRAQ first. Going into Afghanistan, I thought, was after Iraq.
            But if you go into a country to capture a specific person, and then they leave the country, you then leave the country yourself. You follow that person. That was the goal, to get Bin Laden, not to be in Afghanistan and see what we can figure out to do. So I’m doubtful about your theory — personally. I think they had other plans, and that’s why they had to nominally change the goal so that they had an excuse to stay there and be there. And after reading Brzezinski’s book “The Grand Chessboard”, it’s pretty clear to me that we are following his playbook throughout the Middle East. The real goal is chaos and keeping these countries divided so they don’t unify as a Middle Eastern block, so that we then can vie with China and Russia in trying to dominate the region.

          • JS

            Wow, you couldn’t be more wrong. We went into Afghanistan in 2001. We went into Iraq in 2003.

            I’m sorry, if you don’t know at least that, any other conclusions you draw from any books or whatever are dubious.

            How old are you?

          • Mike

            OK, so I misremembered. I actually was not involved in politics at the time. It is a relatively new interest of mine — really, since I realized what a joke Obama was, which was about 3 weeks after I cast my vote for him.
            That still doesn’t negate anything I said, at all. We should have pulled out of Afghanistan after it became clear that Bin Laden had moved on, and continued to hunt him down. The fact that our troops stayed in Afghanistan and found an excuse to change the objective several times supports BRZEZINSKI’S plan. It’s not MY plan, it’s BRZEZINSKI’s plan. Published in ’97. Same with Iraq. We have just brought chaos to the region, which is what Brzezinski mandated in the book. Divide and conquer.
            Have you read his books?

          • Mike

            Keep in mind, that the man is NEVER challenged by the mainstream media. He’s sort of like Kissinger — he is considered to be a guru who speaks absolute truths.

          • JS

            Not involved in politics?!? What does that have to do with anything, it;s your country going to WAR.

            I agree that we should have left Afganistan and pursued Bin LAden.

            NO, I have not read his books. And it’s a plausible theory, but i prefer mine: The objective changed so Bush could score point, so Rumsfeld could use it as an excuse to invade Iraq.

            I mean, imagine the letsown if we went all that way to go to war and we didn’t get to destroy a country, Bush’s approval rating would have taken a huge hit.

          • Mike

            Yeah, I watched the news, I followed what was going on at the time, I discussed it with friends. I just misrembered the order of events for the reasons cited.
            Also, how did Rumsfeld use the events in Afghanistan as an excuse to invade Iraq? I’m not following. They were totally different motives, as far as I recall.
            Regarding Brzezinski’s book, do you know how influential the guy is? I mean, they were pretty much following his plan to the letter. You read his books and you think, “Oh, yeah, all the mystery and contradictions are resolved now.”
            And you know that Iraq was planned long before 9/11. I mean, come on. Iraq was going to happen regardless. And given the mileage that Obama got out of his “we have to get out of Iraq” line, I disagree with you. I think the public would have been thrilled to have all those troops stay home so that we could invest our money into more productive assets.

          • JS

            Misremember, or didn’t know? Doesn’t mater.

            I think Rumsfeld used the fear of an enemy, and terrorist, as a reason to invade Iraq. I think if we had quickly driven AQ out of Afghanistan and pursued them, it would have to be with a much smaller group of special forces. Where would the shock and awe be then? I think shifting the focus to the Taliban and “nation building” helped pave the way for Iraq. Just my opinion, not based on public proclamations or anything.

            I am not sure what time frame you are talking about when you say “the public would have been thrilled to have all those troops stay home so that we could invest our money into more productive assets.”

            If you mean about the time Bin Laden escaped at Tora Bora, that was before Iraq (see how these things matter) and most of the public was gung-ho about invading another country. It wasn’t until later that people became disillusioned.

          • Mike

            Obviously, if I lived through it, I knew.

          • JS

            Sadly that’s not always the case.

          • Mike

            So true, so true.

          • Mike

            No, the forces in Afghanistan we miniscule in those first few years in contrast with what we put into Iraq. The initial troops we sent to Afghanistan weren’t large enough to destroy a nation. That wasn’t an option back then. They were just hunting the guy. So I don’t think it would have been some disappointment to the public. PLUS, there are the things that the leaders SAY in order to nominally justify what they are going to do regardless, and there are the things that the people want them to do. Just because Rumsfeld might have used something as an argument or excuse to do what he wanted to do — -that doesn’t mean that the public bought it, or agreed with it. Throughout that whole ordeal Bush actually developed a little tagline he would throw out whenever he said what he wanted to do next. He would say “the American people want us to do this or that”. When, in actuality, the majority didn’t. That’s how Obama manipulated us to get elected, and played an insidious psychological game. He knew that the public wanted us to stop the stupid, destructive wars. Which is why he would say we need to get out of Iraq. And he’d get the applause line because everyone in the audience didn’t JUST want to get out of Iraq — they wanted the wars to end. so he’d get his applause, and THEN he’d say “and put more troops into Afghanistan”. We were holding out hope that he understood that we all wanted an antidote to Bush. But then he sucker-punched us.

          • JS

            History is much more the product of chaos than of conspiracy.

            As I remember it most of the country was behind going to war in Afganistan and Iraq. It wasn’t until 5 long years later when Obama was elected that people were tired of war. Yet as soon as Obama was elected you had almost have the voting population suddenly saying that Obama is leading us to defeat in Iraq by pulling out.

            As to the purpose being chaos in the middle east, just getting rid of the taliban and leaving would have been sufficient.

          • Mike

            I’m not understanding your point in your second paragraph. It’s not written clearly. But, if you’re saying that getting rid of the Taliban and leaving would have created chaos, I disagree. Doing things like we just did — antagonize the Taliban, battle them, capture members and remove them from the country for a decade, and then release them again. THAT’S how you create chaos. Keep fueling the tensions, reversing direction, contradicting yourself.

          • Mike

            And make sure that you maintain opposed groups within the target nation.

          • JS

            So, Afghanistan wasn’t a country of Chaos as the taliban battled for control during the 90′s? Seems to me going back to that scenario would have been more productive for your “Chaos conspiracy”

            My point in the second paragraph was in reply to yours that Bush was saying “Its what the people want” and your assertion that it wasn’t. My point is that at first, WAR was EXACTLY what the people wanted, the more the merrier. I had friends gleefully cheering, “Rev up the War Machine” and a brother-in-law (who still thinks of GWB as the greatest president of all time) lining up Iran, Syria, and Libya as our next wars.

            It wasn’t until after a few years that people became disillusioned.

            So, was England seeking chaos in the middle east when it invaded Afghanistan and chaos resulted, was Russia when they invaded? Or is it more a consequence of the situation of the Afghan people and country that has lead to this chaos?

            Like most conspiracy theories, this one requires so much more work and effort to achieve it’s aims than needed, making it highly suspect imho.

          • Mike

            It isn’t a conspiracy theory — it’s a practical philosophy and plan laid out by the guy who was Carter’s National Security Advisor, the guy who started the Trilateral Commission, who was a leader in the Council on Foreign Relations, and who has advised every President since Carter. He suggests that the United States do these things. And I believe he was the one who suggested Libya, Syria, and Iran as the next targets, among others. This divide and conquer strategy isn’t new. The Romans used it, as did the Brits.

          • JS

            It’s a conspiracy theory.

            You are not talking about divid and conquer though. You are talking about divide and sit back and enjoy the division.

          • Mike

            What is a conspiracy theory? I haven’t independently developed some idea in my own head about this. I read the plan, which the author had published in a mass market book, and the plan was addressed to US leaders. Then I see the plan being executed. I’m just connecting the dots. Your idea is a theory — you haven’t pointed to any evidence of motives. I have clear evidence of motive, plan, etc.
            Anyhow, it is divide and conquer. As I mentioned a couple of times before, the REASON to keep these nations divided within themselves is so that they can’t unite with each other. There would be tremendous power if they were unified. Then they would become yet another superpower that we all have to contend with. So the idea is that the Middle East is the place on the world chess board that everyone wants to control — everyone wants the resources there — the oil, and its geographical centrality. So we keep the nations balkanized so they can’t resist our plunder. And we then fight with China and Russia for the spoils. THAT is the conquer.

          • JS

            As to the Taliban being terrorists: by saying that you are buying into the very thing you accuse the Bush/Obama administrations of doing: manipulating the public.

            What acts of Terrorism did the Taliban commit against the US before we attacked them? AQ had a base there, supported by a few top officials in the Taliban, but not the whole movement by some accounts.

            It was all so funny yet sad” 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, Terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, God Bless America

          • Mike

            I didn’t say that they are terrorists. But we certainly have been after them, and they are responding. They have responded to our invading their country. We have attempted to suppress them, and eliminate them. So that creates resentment against us, which redirects the country’s energies and resources. And we also have bee prepping the citizens for carrying on after we’re gone, and now Obama has released 5 top leaders who the citizenry thought were out of the picture. Sounds chaotic to me. I wonder how the people we are training to police and protect themselves, and keep the Taliban in check, feel about that.

          • JS

            You don’t seem to understand the historical situation of Afghanistan. It has been “prepped” for carrying on war with itself and any who dare interfere since the late1800′s.

            So now you are saying we attempted to eliminate them. I thought we wanted them around to create chaos? And I don’t think they can be considered top leaders anymore.

            Lets just stop at your unique insight “war involves chaos”. How deep.

          • Mike

            OK, now you’re bringing this to a petty level. So I’ll just respond to the minutia with the following:

            Actually, you made the following statement about getting rid of the Talibanbefore I did:

            “As to the purpose being chaos in the middle east, just getting rid of the taliban and leaving would have been sufficient.”

            I don’t know what you meant by that.

            I of course know that for centuries countries have been warned to not attempt to attack or control Afghanistan. But I don’t understand what you mean by they have been “prepped” for carrying on war. By whom?

            And, lastly, the point about chaos you still seem not to have absorbed. So I will explain one last time and then it’s probably good to stop, because the minutia just gives me a headache. Probably does the same to you too.

            The notion of chaos is not my insight. That is a strategy articulated by Brzezinski, who has been a major, major, huge influence on US foreign policy. He’s a thought leader. Have you heard of him? In fact, here is a little video of him arming Afghan jihadis in the 1970s. So the chaos notion is not mine. And the big point — get big picture with me — is that this thought leader and influencer laid out the very strategy that we are engaging in right now. So I’m connecting the dots. And having chaos and balkanization as a major goal really does go a long way toward explaining what we have been doing in the MIddle East for years. G’day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJTv2nFjMBk

          • Mike
          • Mike

            I also might be misremembering because, proportionally, we put exponentially more effort and resources into Iraq at that time.

          • Don_B1

            He would have to have left his post with no intention of returning to be guilty of desertion.

            Since he is reported to have previously left his post and returned within an hour or two, there is no proof that he was leaving permanently this time that I know of, so your claim is invalid.

            Since some of the actions by Americans can be viewed as unhelpful, even if not intended that way, he could have had some idea of trying to make up for American mistakes?

            Right now just what happened is murky and your rampant speculation without any disclaimers is not helpful.

          • Mike

            You are speculating that he didn’t intend to leave his post.

          • Mike

            He could have been meeting someone in the Taliban. He could have been scoping out paths to take when he deserted. He did say things to suggest he would leave if he were unhappy with things. And people indicated he was.

          • Don_B1

            And you believe everything that demeans him without hearing from him?

            I hope you don’t expect any better about your claims.

          • Mike

            No, I said “could” have. It’s clearly stated as a possibility. But it’s not coming from left field. I mean, I’ve come to that conclusion as a major possibility because of evidence that has been given to me, not because I’ve been fantasizing or imagining what might have happened, totally divorced from what we have heard and know.

          • Don_B1

            What do you think this statement meant:

            Right now just what happened is murky and your rampant speculation without any disclaimers is not helpful.

            If you could not see that it was just showing how silly your speculation was?

            I was showing that there could be another alternate explanation rather than your take.

          • Mike

            Yes, OK, there could be other explanations. But it certainly is not RAMPANT SPECULATION given what we DO know. Not at all. It’s a very reasonable conclusion. Can I assert for sure that it’s correct? No. But it is one of just a couple very likely scenarios.

        • JS

          He compared the father to a Nazi, so fine, change terrorist to Nazi.

          I was under the impression that in America we can study any language we desire without being compared to Nazis

          • Mike

            Sure, you can study any language you want without being compared to a Nazi.
            But this situation is not simply a case of the Father studying a language and being compared to a Nazi. You’re incorrectly reducing his assertion to suggesting that studying Pashtun is a problem. Rather, he’s saying that, given the entire context of this situation, it raises the question as to whether something else is going on here.
            Is that clear? I’d rather not slog through all the details, which are pretty obvious, and presented in his comment and my response above.

          • JS

            Aren’t we there to help the Afgans? He (ed) compared speaking Pastun and praising Allah with being a Nazi.

            I undertand all the details, but to compare his father to a Nazi, because he is, or is speaking as, a Muslim, is wrong.

            And we are not at war with the Afgan people, or people who speak Pashyun, or Muslims.

          • Mike

            I thought we went into Afghanistan to hunt down Osama Bin Laden. That was the purported reason when Bush sent us in. Remember Michael Moore’s point in one of his films? He said the number of troops that Bush sent in to Afghanistan to hunt Bin Laden were a fraction of the number of Policemen in New York City. Then, when Obama ran in ’08, he would say to the crowds “we have to get out of Iraq”, and pause for the cheer, and then follow up quickly with “and go into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden”. His point was supposedly that it was a big lie that we had gone into Iraq as a result of 9/11, and what we really had to do was be serious about going into Afghanistan to get the real person behind 9/11. So…….
            And the point isn’t that he’s a Nazi, rather, the analogy is that he is siding with the enemy. Isn’t that clear? I don’t get it.

          • JS

            So, the Afgans are the enemy? Got it.

            I’ve never seen a Michael Moore film

          • Mike

            No, I didn’t say that. I said we didn’t go into Afghanistan to help the Afghan people, I didn’t say that the Afghan people are the enemy. We went into Afghanistan to hunt down Bin Laden.

          • JS

            “And the point isn’t that he’s a Nazi, rather, the analogy is that he is siding with the enemy.”

            Exactly, speaking like an Afgan, praising Allah like an Afgan, is “siding with the enemy” got it.

          • Mike

            No, that’s not what I said. But before I respond — tell me this. Why do you believe we went into Afghanistan, and how are we helping the Afghan people?

          • JS

            So, I directly quote you, and it’s not what you said? I get it.

            We went into Afghanistan to get Bin LAden. When that didn’t happen right away, suddenly it was all about the Taliban instead.

            At this point we are supposed to be helping the train their security forces to protect the country after we pull out.

          • Mike

            The point the other guy was originally making, and which I agree with, is not that speaking Pashtun and citing Alla is siding with an enemy. Rather, the Father is saying that, by the son being captured by the Taliban he is “helping” the Afghan people, and given that the father said this, that he speaks Pashtun, that the son walked off the base, and that by being captured by the Taliban and fighting American soldiers — that constitutes siding with the enemy. That there sounds like there is something deeper going on here.

          • Mike

            But, no, that is not to say that being Muslim is siding with the enemy. You’re not grasping the larger point when you simplify it that way.

          • JS

            “fighting American soldiers” – thats a new claim, any citation?

          • Mike

            This week the other guys in his group have been very vocal about this. But, of course, they are being marginalized by the mainstream media because it doesn’t support Obama’s narrative.

          • Guest

            Really, even though I heard it reported on NPR? I didn’t know NPR was out of the mains-stream media.

          • Mike

            But what is NPR doing with it? That knowledge should become a major part of the conversation. It is a major piece of information and evidence as to what this guy was really doing. I must have heard it on NPR also, because I listen to both Morning Edition and All Things Considered. But nobody is running with this, let alone NPR. NPR always, ultimately, goes with the administration’s view on things. They don’t challenge. That’s why our friend above hadn’t heard about this. One-time reporting is one thing. Taking that information and maintaining it as part of the long-term narrative is a very different thing.

          • JS

            So, just to be clear, are you saying that his fellow soldiers are saying that Berdahl fought against American soldiers? In actual combat?

          • jefe68

            Such as what?

        • jefe68

          Well he could have started on Youtube.
          Found lots of how to videos in about 10 seconds.

          You’re off base here pal. You’re making some very nasty assumptions based on bigotry and ignorance, nothing more.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOjyqXV05E

  • Ed75

    The problem is that President O. is, because of what he promotes, an evil man, and when an evil man is cornered, which he is here, he becomes the most dangerous … we’ll see.

    • JS

      And what does he promote as an “evil man”?

    • Ray in VT

      Feh.

    • jefe68

      Where is Superman when you need him…

      • hennorama

        Up in the sky?

    • JGC

      The most evil thing I have heard this week was about the hundreds of baby bodies found buried on church property in Ireland.

      • Ed75

        Bad, no doubt, but the circumstances haven’t been investigated yet.

  • HonestDebate1
  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    From Fast and Furious to the latest kerfuffle: Eddie Slovik goes on holiday. Perhaps Jimmy Breslin could pen the sequel to The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight when President Obama leaves office. It’d sure have a lot of yucks* in it.

    * Both kinds, good and bad.

  • Coastghost

    We know of Obama’s “oversight” in not consulting Congress over his Bergdahl-Taliban swap: but did the Obama White House also sidestep notifying both the Pentagon and the intelligence communities of his intent? Did the law he signed last year obligate him to keep all parties informed?

  • MrNutso

    How about mention of last nights “mass shooting of the week”?

    • hennorama

      MrNutso — yes, and the fact that the NRA should issue a retraction, since this is part of what happened:

      Good Guy With Pepper Spray Stops Bad Guy With Gun

  • X Y & Z

    Hillary (don’t ask me about Benghazi) demands New York Times back off

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/5/hillary-clinton-pleads-ny-times-back/

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      What could Congress have done to prevent what happened at Benghazi? Could they have not cut the budget by 100′s of millions of dollars?

      • MrNutso

        It’s not about what Congress could have done. It’s about the Administration should have a crystal ball to prevent anything from ever happening. It raises the question: If the Administration could prevent anything from ever happening, what would Congress have to investigate?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    I make no apologies.
    –George W. Obama

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    The question that needs to be asked is:

    Did Sgt Bergdahl get better medical treatment at the hands of the Taliban than he would have gotten from his local VA clinic?

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/05/Special-Counsel-Investigating-37-Cases-Of-VA-Retaliation-Against-Whistleblowers

    • HonestDebate1

      While that may be a good question, the easier question to answer is, “Did the 5 terrorist at Gitmo get better treatment?” That is an unequivocal YES!

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        You know I’m not about easy questions. Or comforting answers.

  • MrNutso

    Why the “Tea Party surge in Mississippi”? The Tea Party is the Republican Party. John Boehner already said so.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Speaker Boehner has a lot to learn and not much time to learn it in.

      • jimino

        Do you think the next Speaker, a teabagger of course, will call on Mississippi to repay the federal government for all the money we have given them in excess of what they have paid in taxes over the years, and cut them off until they do? Isn’t that what the Tea Party stands for?

        • MrNutso

          McDaniel campaigned on exactly that issue. He thinks there’s too much government spending and Mississippi need to do its share by stopping taking federal money.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          No my foolish friend, the poor people of Mississippi have suffered enough. It will be up to the oligarchs of the North East and Hollywood to be held to account for all that crony capitalism.

          • Ray in VT

            Yes, they have suffered under 200 years of conservative rule.

  • Coastghost

    Ahhh, Obama sets us straight: Sgt. Bergdahl is someone’s 28-year-old “child”.
    Now THAT’S clarification.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Obama is always at his best when he makes every utterance ring like the Gettysburg Address. I wonder if he ever tried just talking to folks.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Jack failed to include: shared morality.

  • X Y & Z

    Congress twice rejected release of Taliban from Gitmo in trade for Bergdahl

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/4/congress-twice-rejected-release-of-taliban-from-gi/

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Congress couldn’t pass the Have a Nice Day act.

  • Coastghost

    Where are Jack Beatty’s violins? what happened to the cue?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    How did they squeeze the egos of Putin, Obama, and Cameron into one building? Did they open all the doors and windows or something?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    French armaments surrender after 6 weeks. So beware the short shelf life.

  • amit mishra

    absolutely!pretty amazing and pretty interesting to read,really very important issue to discuss at the moment among people of US as well among the international community.i discussed many times with my absolute amazing beauty “queen wife” Margaret Brennan CBS news.she is expert in foreign policy and also working with state department so we know very well about US foreign policy.
    here my absolute pretty amazing wife Margaret video: :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGlvWS1f69s
    we also agree with president as well as my amazing wife Margaret also urge we need good relation with Russia but we cant clap with one hand,we need both hand,we also condemned Russian aggression as world leaders because its against international territory law & illegal and demanded tough economical sanction against Russian aggression as we saw in g7,world need to united for any aggression.

    as we discussed regarding president speech absolute positive and pretty effective.we both agree with president that military intervention is not only solution for any issue or problem diplomacy is also effective tool to find peaceful solution without war or using forces,i and my wife Margaret are working together on issues like Syria,Ukraine,Iran and many more issues.we also see at the moment we got success to stop Putin’s aggression in eastern Ukraine without using forces or cold war.we also see ran nuclear deal is going in right direction through diplomacy and without using forces if we get final deal over Iran,it will be historic deal and successful US foreign policy
    here is video my amazing wife Margaret :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM7qVMWQjfg regaridng iran.
    we also discussed that president didn’t get success in Syria that not means this is fail policy but we agree that our diplomacy was fail over Syria to made agree both side on negotiation table for peace agreement,we also tried to bring both side in international criminal court due to violated international law due to lack of international support and lack of support from china,Russia.

    we also discussed that most people in US not oppose US foreign policy or not said failed US policy regarding to Syria or other countries,actually people are fed-up with US too much involvement in the world,exactly the same reason with Syria if US would involve it will hurt US economy as well as would engage long time in Syria like Afghanistan that’s reason people don’t want to spend tax payer money any more.but i and my amazing wife Margaret agree with that diplomacy first and then use forces last option.

  • Coastghost

    Lots of stabbings, too, Tom Ashbrook (NY, WI, CA), some of them fatal, but then they’re not permitted to be deemed “news”, are they?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Act first; don’t think later.
    –White House Policy Memo

  • amit mishra

    absolutely!pretty amazing and interesting to read,really important issue to discuss at the moment among the people of US,US economy and climate change policy.i discussed many times with my absolute amazing beauty “queen wife” Margaret Brennan CBS news.we both working together and she pretty expert in global economy.

    as we discussed EPA suggested that US need to regulate green houses gas nearly 30% till 2030,and 70% till 2050 which is big challenge for US and US economy to stick with guile line and time line.we focused president speech and president not mentioned what actually he want to do? or how he achieve goal to cut gases?

    as we discussed climate change big worry for US people but cut greenhouses gases also has advantage and disadvantage to US economy.we agree with president but we need change slowly not quick enough.president must focus on some points like.

    >cut greenhouse gases advantage to US economy.

    1)it will help to improve environment and atmosphere regulate CO2 emission.make clear environment help to fight against climate change.

    2)it will also help to boost economy,attract foreign and US green energy investment,creates many jobs,business also shift in economic cycle from one to another from which is necessary after recession for example after great recession we didn’t see enough growth because economic shift remain same,for constant growth need economic shift from one area to another to create opportunities.

    >disadvantage to the economy.
    1)it will total cost GDP nearly $7 trillion by 2030 and it would cost nearly $600 bn/year.means government need to spend more money behind green energy.lower growth.
    2)losses in business and jobs due to higher cost of energy,also affect on product cycle to increase cost,in short it will be expensive.mostly for electricity generate by coal which is cheaper than green energy
    US may also focus on nuclear,renewable-solar,wind,water need to provide subsidies and carbon taxes to cut emission.it will take long time

  • amit mishra

    absolutely!pretty important and pretty interesting issue to discuss at the moment among the people US.i discussed many times with my absolute amazing beauty “queen wife” Margaret Brennan CBS news.she working on issue so know very well regarding issue,as we discussed day by day bowe bergdhal change and we saw many facts came in spotlight like twist in story.

    as we discussed that many people and colleague raised concerned over bowe,here video of bowe service record and behavior,my amazing wife Margaret video:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bergdahl-had-left-his-

    as we already discussed republican raised their concerned over released prisoners would be threat fro US like may be they also join again terror groups and again attack on US and US citizen and forces,they already arrested and held against they committed serious crime and act of terror in Guantanamo bay.
    here my wife Margaret video:http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/is-the-policy-of-non
    we also discussed that top republican on the senate and house raised question over president decision to released prisoners from Guantanamo bay without notify congress is illegal.they also raised question according to law defense sectary chuck hegal also notify to congress committee at least 30 days before making decision or transfer prisoners and justification of that move.
    here is video of my wife Margaret mentioned how administration made deal with Taliban or what condition in it?
    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/obama-administration

    we also discussed that many people also raised concerned over bowe’s released issue like bring bowe into public court due to other soldiers also died to find him,secretary defense chuck hagel also give assurance for investigation ti bring facts,but i and my amazing wife Margaret happy with bowe’s released and we also agree with president for swap deal.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Barack Obama? We don’t know anyone with that name. Foreign policy expert, is he?
    –Hillary for President 2016 campaign

    • X Y & Z

      She’s got to come clean about Benghazi if she wants to become President. That’s not likely to happen since she appears to have selective memory for just one day, 9-11-2012.

  • hennorama

    NRA To Issue Retraction?

    Good Guy With Pepper Spray Stops Bad Guy With Gun:

    Seattle Pacific University’s community was “in a state of shock” Thursday afternoon after a gunman opened fire inside an engineering building, killing a 19-year-old man and seriously injuring a 20-year-old woman before being disarmed by a student.

    A student working as a building monitor at SPU’s Otto Miller Hall subdued the shotgun-wielding gunman with pepper spray after he shot three people in the building’s entry, Seattle police say. Armed with a knife and carrying spare shells, the shooter apparently stopped to reload when he was taken down.

    Source:
    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Seattle-Pacific-University-shooting-It-s-5532190.php

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Why? The NRA has always argued in favor of armed guards. It has been hopliphobic leftists that claim that we can’t have armed guards in schools.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/us/nra-calls-for-armed-guards-at-schools.html?_r=0

      • hennorama

        RWB — Thank you for your response.

        1. The NRA theme, confirmed by your source, is “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” The horrific incident at SPU disproves that theme, so the NRA should issue a retraction.

        2. If you’re gonna toss around an invented term such as “hoplophobic,” you should learn to spell it properly. Of course, it does not appear in any standard dictionary, so your error might fairly be excused.

        Thanks again for your response.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          It is the anti-civil rights campaigners that have cornered that market on the use of made up terms. But a little start up is making great inroads with hoplophobia.

          There is more of bad typing than bad spelling in my mistake, but thank you for the correction.

          • hennorama

            RWB — TYFYR.

            A typo is understandable, and autocorrection/spell check would be no help, since the term is not in any standard dictionary.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I’ve had to add some words to “my dictionary.” I do find it very helpful. But I do think Sister Mary Joseph is somewhere “tsk-ing” in disappointment with me.

          • hennorama

            RWB — beware nuns bearing wooden rulers or clicking tongues.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            The nuns that taught me in my youth were the kindest most patient and generous people I ever knew. I am familiar with the common image from the Blue Brothers but I never personally experienced it.

            http://youtu.be/ujxDA9VsQG4

          • hennorama

            RWB — TYFYR.

            That’s wonderful, and such is the reason for the word “or” in my comment.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Don’t worry I was not offended by your comment.

      • jefe68

        He was a building monitor, not an armed guard.
        The only hopliphobic here is the right wing gun nuts, of which you seem to be in support of.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          This is where I get so confused. I thought that by stand up to rich people that are trying to abridge the rights of poor people I was a liberal.

          But you say I’m a “right wing gun nut.”

          So much for names and stereotypes. I’ll just keep working to defend the Constitution and you can do what ever it is that you are doing. (privately)

          • jefe68

            I was using a stereotypes as you were.
            If you’re going to engage in this kind of nonsense then expect to have thrown back at you.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            What I expect is not at issue here. It is just a matter of engagement. If you choose to try to play word games with me I am content to oblige you.

          • jefe68

            Fun eh…

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Not “fun.” Pitiable.

          • jefe68

            Well, then stop doing it. You could have made the comment you did without the obtuse leftist addition.

            Anyway the idea of having armed guards in schools is not going to stop someone from carrying out a school shooting. Columbine high school had an armed sheriffs deputy on the grounds.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Deriding leftist isn’t a bug it is a feature of my comments. What is pitiable is that you have chosen to respond at such length in an exercise of one-up-man-ship that accomplishes nothing.

            Please continue…

  • X Y & Z

    Sen. Durbin Wants Illinois Taxpayers to Help Fund Obama’s Presidential Library

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-scheiner/sen-durbin-wants-illinois-taxpayers-help-fund-obamas-presidential-library

    Maybe President Obama’s new friends in the Taliban could hold a fund-raiser for the Obama Presidential Library? It would allow the Taliban to repay the nice favor that President Obama did for them by illegally freeing five of their fellow terrorists who had been captured on the battlefield, trying to kill US soldiers.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Obama’s presidential library will be installed at Columbia. It’s an Ivy; he’s not going to associate himself with Goober State. Hoober Doober

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    How many years did some of the captured soldiers and airmen stay in the Hanoi Hilton? There’s no evidence that Bergdahl was tortured daily.

    • Jill122

      There’s no evidence of anything right now. No assertion can be made. We can say that he is an American and Americans bring their troops back home. That’s what Americans do.

      • HonestDebate1

        There is plenty of evidence and plenty of assertions from his platoon mates and squad leaders.

        • Jill122

          I repeat there is no evidence. To say otherwise is to assert that hearsay is evidence. Decency alone would require any American to understand that these charges leveled against Bergdahl MUST be proved. Decent people would wait. Cannibals use a different set of rules.

          • HonestDebate1

            There’s a paper trail Jill, they have a file on the guy. There was a classified military report. That’s evidence. And now we learn he converted to Islam and declared Jihad in 2010. I don’t think it matters in regard to whether we should have gotten him out of there but this is serious stuff. We must assume something and IMHO assuming he is a hero (the original meme) is not prudent. This is not idle speculation and we don’t have to wait on squat to harmlessly chat our concerns on a stupid blog.

            Johnny Walker Lindh is rotting in a cell.

          • Ray in VT

            One would be wise to consider that the secret report referenced refers to that information coming from a “purported eyewitness”. One should also consider the Stockholm Syndrome.

          • JGC

            Also from the same Diane Rehm program mentioned earlier today, military lawyer Eugene Fidell noted (about 24:00 minutes into the program, and I have heavily condensed his words) “The manual for Courts Martial permits death penalty or life imprisonment during times of war. But we do not have a time of war at the moment…Legally speaking, we don’t have a declaration of war, not since WWII, therefore these (penalties) are not on the table…”

          • HonestDebate1

            It’s just evidence, that’s all. It may be evidence he deserves The Medal of Honor for all I know.

          • jefe68

            You really are the king of making assumptions and absolutes based on no hard evidence. You site a classified military report and assume it’s backing up your claims. How would you know this what was in the report? By the way, you are engaging in idle speculation.

            It’s best for people to stop pointing fingers, as Charles Krauthammer has been advocating. If he’s guilty of desertion then he should be tried by a military court.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-free-bowe-bergdahl-then-try-him/2014/06/05/6aae0e50-ecd4-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html

          • HonestDebate1

            Nope, you leaped.

            “You site a classified military report and assume it’s backing up your claims.”

            What are you claiming I claimed?

        • jimino

          So they kept quiet for years, while some were, they claim, getting killed looking for him, but decided to hire a PR guy to express their views now when it was a partisan issue.

          • HonestDebate1

            It’s not a partisan issue.

        • jefe68

          Why didn’t they speak out about this before now?

          • OnPointComments

            The military prevented the soldiers from speaking about the desertion.

  • Mike

    How does being captured by the Taliban constitute helping the Afghan people? Hmmmmmmmmm……

    • jimino

      The same way as being killed by the Taliban does. Or do you think those dead should be dishonored too?

      • Mike

        Being captured is a passive act — that doesn’t constitute helping anyone.

        • jimino

          You’re saying those who were killed were actively trying to be killed? I don’t understand your comment.

          • jefe68

            Don’t try to understand, you’re dealing with one obtuse chap here.

          • Mike

            I wasn’t making any connection with those who were killed — that was your comment. I really don’t understand your connection between the two.

            So I was trying to explain to you what I meant by my original comment. So, my point is that the Dad was so proud of what the kid was doing to help the Afghan people. But he wasn’t helping them — he couldn’t do a thing because he was SUPPOSEDLY sitting in captivity for 5 years. So what does the Dad think he was DOING? It’s a passive act to sit in captivity — you’re not doing anything to help anyone.

  • MrNutso

    How about kids with names like Cruz, or McConnell, or Boehner, or Bush, or Cheney, or etc.

  • Coastghost

    NOT according to Pres. Obama, caller: Afghanistan has been a perfectly legitimate theater of operations.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    If Obama was so concerned about Bergdahl’s health, why didn’t he employ drone drops to supply him care packages from home?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Secret Muslim Man
    Secret Muslim Man
    They’ve given you a ponytail
    And fluffy curly beard.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Oh boy, I missed Karl. Thank God they brought him back.

  • Yar

    Have we become a nation of all Star Spangled Banner and no America the Beautiful? Read the lyrics.

    O beautiful for spacious skies,
    For amber waves of grain,
    For purple mountain majesties
    Above the fruited plain!
    America! America! God shed His grace on thee,
    And crown thy good with brotherhood
    From sea to shining sea!
    O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
    Whose stern impassion’d stress
    A thoroughfare for freedom beat
    Across the wilderness!
    America! America! God mend thine ev’ry flaw,
    Confirm thy soul in self-control,
    Thy liberty in law!

    O beautiful for heroes proved In liberating strife,
    Who more than self their country loved,
    And mercy more than life!
    America! America! May God thy gold refine
    Till all success be nobleness,
    And ev’ry gain divine!
    O Beautiful for patriot dream
    That sees beyond the years
    Thine alabaster cities gleam,
    Undimmed by human tears!
    America! America! God shed His grace on thee,
    And crown thy good with brotherhood
    From sea to shining sea!

    • northeaster17

      I’ve argued many a time that our anthem should be this tune.

      • MrNutso

        No! It should be about bombs and blowing things up!

    • JGC

      Better melody, too. It was only this year that I realized two things: the first was that the War of 1812 (which inspired Francis Scott Key to write the SSB) was won by Canada (What the…!), according to Prime Minister Harper. And the other thing was I had never heard beyond the first stanza of the SSB, but the third stanza contains the lines

      “No refuge could save the hireling & slave
      From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
      And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
      O’er the land of the free & the home of the brave.”

      which refer to plantation owner Key’s disgust and fear at the slave rebellions where those slaves attempted their escape, trying to join the invading British/Canadian armies, with the hope of their own personal freedom.

  • X Y & Z

    Study: New EPA Reg to Cost Half-Trillion in Compliance, 224,000 Jobs Per Year

    http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/tyler-mcnally/study-new-epa-reg-cost-half-trillion-compliance-224000-jobs-year

    • Ray in VT

      Considering that that report apparently is based upon assumptions for reductions that are far above what the administration has actually called for, then one might want to reconsider how much one stands or advocates for the validity of its assertions.

  • MrNutso

    His dad said he wasn’t going to shave/cut/trim his beard on until his son came home.

    • jimino

      The guy looks like one of the 2013 Boston Red Sox. They were all terrorists and Muslims, right?

      • jefe68

        The Red Sox’s are playing like their tripping over those beards this season.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Re: Eddie Slovik

    Those of us who served in uniform mostly have a different take than you happy articulate well-connected civilians in big media. Thanks much.. Vietnam-era Veteran

  • OnPointComments

    The Obama sycophants say everyone should ignore first-hand eyewitness accounts of Bergdahl’s actions.

  • MrStang

    Which prisoners would Mccain have traded?

    THE VACANT SOUL OF JOHN MCCAIN

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/john-mccain-obama-prisoner-release-060214

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      The first level of White House aides. HD

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    No grade school child is safe until everyone of them is packing heat.

  • MrNutso

    Re Mississippi Election. Jonathan Chait had it spot on. “The question (in the run off election) is whether Mississippi’s Republican Senator will be a boring partisan or entertainingly crazy one.”

  • X Y & Z

    GAO Report: Obamacare adds $6.2 trillion to long term deficit

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341589/gao-report-obamacare-adds-62-trillion-long-term-deficit-andrew-stiles

    Tack that on to the $7 trillion that President Obama has added to national deficit since 2009.

    • Ray in VT

      Over 75 years, based upon current methods and imputs. Let’s not forget the massive deficits that were in effect when he came into office.

    • MrNutso

      I will have to dig up the citations, but that report has been debunked. For instance, it did not consider spending reductions that would be achieve via the ACA, because Senator Sessions did not ask for that information.

      • Ray in VT

        There was also the claim that the cost of the ACA tripled,. Of course that came from Senate Republicans using some different projections that the CBO.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Mississippi. Foghorn Leghorn vs. Argentinian Mastiff.

  • Scott B

    Fox News, and the Republicans, piling onto the Bergdalh issue is shameful. Fox Noise is even going as far to pronounce the Bergdalh’s surname in a manner suggesting a middle-eastern surname.
    They once again purposefully ignore fact, history, and experience:
    This country has a long history or prisoner exchanges.
    The Sgt. Bergdahl’s father grew his beard to show support for his son the same way people shave their heads to support those with cancer, not to show sympathy for racists skinheads. That his father also learned Pashto to communicate with those in the Afghanistan area through social media, etc. because they don’t speak English.
    That the Taliban had rejected this very same deal for several years, and that all of the Taliban prisoners were in Gitmo for years, three of them from day one Gitmo was opened.

    I hope that this comes to bite Fox, and the Republicans trying to make political hay from this, in their ass.

    • Jill122

      All politics, all the time, all to rouse their base from the couch and get out the vote. Republicans are old people and under Bush they would have cheered — as they did when Bush released 500 + people from GITMO.

      Now five transferred out (not released) to part of what will be the “new” government in Afghanistan? All of a sudden it’s the wrong thing to do. Why?

      The man in question has been turned into a pariah with their new version of “swiftboating.”

    • JGC

      Idaho is a fairly strong republican and independent leaning state, correct? I have to give some leeway to the community of Hailey knowing best about the Bergdahl family. And they have supported the Bergdahls for the past five years and were happy and ready to welcome back Bowe. It is terrible how the entire family has been demonized by Fox and other far right media outlets. They are eating their own.

    • hennorama

      Scott B — perhaps someone should investigate these guys, for “looking like a Muslim”:

      http://www.gq.com/images/copilot/entertainment/television/201401/1387220587476_duck-dynasty-gq-magazine-january-2014-01.jpg

      • HonestDebate1

        How do you say “happy happy happy” in Pashtun?

  • Yar

    I attended my annual co-op member meeting last night and was aghast by the partisan vitriol against the EPA and our government. Talk about hating the hand that feeds you, the federal government loaned us the money to build the co-op, they pay the customer’s bills through social security and other Federal programs.
    Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
    This polarization through the rhetoric of “War on Coal” is destructive to our country.
    We have to get past anger and hate, or we won’t have a nation capable of love.

    • northeaster17

      I may be stating the obivous but you must be in a coal state. If Ny is any example the EPA is pretty much in the backround

      • Yar

        Yes, and the Federal taxpayers in New York are helping our people in Kentucky pay their electric bills. You should demand that some of that money go to lower consumption and to clean up the mess coal extraction has left behind.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Herman Cain says God may want him to run for president. Doesn’t God ever have lower aspirations?

    Your Almightiness, maybe you ought to first shoot for school board.

    • J__o__h__n

      I want him to run. He was entertaining.

    • Jill122

      Is there anyone on the horizon that’s lower?

  • MrNutso

    Mississippi is number one on the federal government’s teat. 42% of the state budget is funded by the Feds.

    • Jill122

      There is not one state in the south that sends more to the Feds than they take back in grants and help. The givers are the northeastern and far western “liberals.”

      • Ray in VT

        And Texas I am pretty sure.

    • OnPointComments

      Should we limit ourselves to geography when criticizing who gets federal government support? Or can we branch out to race, gender, age, marital status, and other factors?

    • Che Bianchi

      New Mexico has MS beat, Sir.

  • Ray in VT

    One of the funniest things that I’ve seen this week:
    Bible school uses Hitler quote on billboard
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/03/bible-school-hitler-quote_n_5440205.html?ir=Weird+News

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      You need to get out into the sunshine more.

      : )

      • Ray in VT

        It has been pretty rainy, and it is today, but that in no way affects how good of a laugh I had at that billboard. As Chris Hardwick pointed out on At Midnight, they even highlighted Hitler’s name by putting it in red, making sure that people really got a good look at it.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          I don’t see the joke.

          • Ray in VT

            Addressed in my post above.

    • Jill122

      Yes! I agree. If you like cartoons, check this out: http://www.tmsfeatures.com/editorial-cartoons/independent/chan-lowe/

      • OnPointComments

        And check out this one from the Outstanding Editorial Cartoonist of the Year honored by the National Cartoonists Society.

    • hennorama

      Ray in VT — a true head shaker, that.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      “Instruction in world history in the so-called high schools is even today in a very sorry condition. Few teachers understand that the study of history can never be to learn historical dates and events by heart and recite them by rote; that what matters is not whether the child knows exactly when this battle or that was fought, when a general was born, or even when a monarch (usually a very insignificant one) came into the crown of his forefathers. No, by the living God, this is very unimportant. To ‘learn’ history means to seek and find the forces which are the causes leading to those effects which we subsequently perceive as historical events.”
      ― Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    • Che Bianchi

      Error in judgement no doubt, but not as bad as THE ONE @1600 Penn who is acting out the policy of AH

      • Ray in VT

        Which policies would those be?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Cocharan was going to retire until DC lobbyist hacks begged him to run. Protecting their gravy train?

  • X Y & Z

    Israel decries US ‘knife in back’ over Palestinian govt

    http://news.yahoo.com/israel-decries-us-knife-back-over-palestinian-govt-210018880.html

    • M S

      So? Who really cares?

      • X Y & Z

        They’re America’s closest ally in the Middle East.

        • northeaster17

          BB is not to be trusted.

          • X Y & Z

            I trust Netanyahu a lot more than any of the leadership in Fatah or Hamas.

          • M S

            I do not care for any of them…both sides are getting what they deserve.

        • M S

          That’s not saying much…actually, it says it all.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Tea party. Maybe they should scour the pot and try a new blend. Use fresh, clean water this time.*

    * If you can find any in coal country.

  • M S

    Oh, here comes blame the white man.

    • OnPointComments

      One of the left’s favorite topics.

      • M S

        I know, it’s so weird. Let them know that it’s not just ‘whites’ and not just ‘men’ who are concerned with the liberal’s cultural Marxist mentality.

    • OnPointComments

      As good a reason as I’ve read on why the left loves, loves, loves to talk about race.

      Excerpt:

      So why is the Left in perpetual thrall to the idea of talking about race and racism? Why do so many progressive pundits and politicians insist that we’re not talking about the very thing we’re always talking about? The reason is likely twofold: for one, a constant focus on the matter will serve well to cover up a host of Democratic and progressive failures. The War on Poverty, various social welfare programs and much government societal engineering have all been decisive failures over the last half-century or so, and these failures have disproportionately (and negatively) affected racial minorities. If the Left can steer the political and social discourse away from its own ineptitude, it will surely do so—and demanding that people focus on racism and racial matters both real and imagined is a particularly effective tool for that purpose.

      The other reason, however, is more integral to the liberal worldview than mere political maneuvering. Progressivism is marked by a deep-seated and insatiable desire to feel morally superior to, and be set high above, the masses over which progressivism is supposed to exert control: they know what kind of insurance you’re supposed to buy, they know how much you’re supposed to donate to political campaigns, and they certainly know what you’re supposed to be talking about.
      http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/06/our-neverending-conversation-about-race/

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Conservative thinkers. Good luck finding that species today. Might try something easier like the passenger pigeon. You know, to start with.

  • MrStang

    “War is a Racket” – Smedley Butler (US Marine, 2 time Medal of Honor winner, anti-fascist)

    War is a mess that we all must cleanse ourselves of…

    snip<"McCain’s own tale of his torture and the confession he recorded for the North Vietnamese comes largely from his book Faith of My Fathers, in which he describes his shame at cooperating with the enemy. But some of McCain’s fellow prisoners, who were tortured and did not collaborate, have challenged his narrative, expressing their belief that McCain was not physically abused at all and that he was well treated. Others who were also in the prison camp dispute that claim. But by McCain’s own account he may have begun cooperating with the North Vietnamese within three days of his capture and was fully on board within two weeks, providing specific intelligence on his aircraft carrier, its aircraft, and the support vessels attached to it, information that was later featured in North Vietnamese radio broadcasts. One account that appeared on a wire service entitled “PW Songbird is Pilot Son of Admiral” reported that McCain may have gone beyond an acceptable level of collaboration in assisting the psychological warfare offensives aimed at American servicemen: “The broadcast was beamed to American servicemen in South Vietnam as a part of a propaganda series attempting to counter charges by U.S. Defense Secretary Melvin Laird that American prisoners are being mistreated in North Vietnam.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2013/05/29/john-mccain-war-hero-or-something-less/

    • Jill122

      In the words of the bard to Mr. McC, “Methinks thou doth protest too much.”

  • Yar

    Jon Stewart addressed race in the Texas open carry demonstrations last night.
    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/full-episodes/wnhppp/june-5–2014—tom-cruise

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    If Dems run Hillary, there will be a sign in my front yard: Liberals for Anyone but Her Royal Highness.

  • MrStang

    What did Reagan do?

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Napped, per Art Buchwald. HD

      • Jill122

        You mean napped between times while selling arms to Iran (to kill the Iraqis) the profits of which went to the Contras.

        Irony alert! Ollie North is now speaking out against the “transfer.” One more sign you guys have turned away from America and into the hands of the multinationals.

    • Che Bianchi

      Reagan also gave amnesty to millions of Mexicans and should have been impeached for Iran Contra. The problem with the Bowe Bergdahl Boondoggle is the 5 Gitmo Mohammedans don’t need 1500 missiles. All they need is a box knife and the inspiration to make NYC/Chicago/DC and LA look like Heroshima and Nagasaki. By the way Mr. Stang, what is a “Missles” something you eat with blueberries and granola in Europe?

      • MrNutso

        So we’re worried about these 5 guys, but not the countless others with box cutters?

        • Jill122

          Box cutters are no longer allowed as you know. These are the guys who fought the Russians for years — the same people we supplied with guns and ammo in Charlie Wilson’s war.

          They don’t like aggressors, doesn’t matter if we are Russians or Americans.

          • Che Bianchi

            It is never as black and white when it comes to terrorism/freedom fighters, good guys/bad guys, wise guys, etc.. Thanks for the illumination, my dear good friends:)

          • northeaster17

            That’s why your above comment is so ridiculous.

        • hennorama

          MrNutso — don’t tell anyone, but there are at least 3 box cutters in my garage.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I always suspected as much…

      • Jill122

        Old men, one year in Qatar under international supervision, and likely will be part of the “new” government in Afghanistan. These are not Al-Q; they are the Taliban. Please try to keep up.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          A distinction with out a difference.

          http://lubpak.com/archives/5150

          • Ray in VT

            There is, I think, quite a big difference, in some regards, between the Taliban and al-Qaeda. The Taliban was mostly an Afghan based and Afghan concerned organization that, while ideologically aligned with al-Qaeda and willing to harbor them, were not particularly interested in attacking Western interests.

          • pete18

            Yeah, that’s why the pentagon deemed them “high risks” to attack american and allied targets.

          • Ray in VT

            Likely in Afghanistan rather than the sort of international attacks carried out by al-Qaeda and its affiliates.

          • pete18

            Yes, and…..?

          • Ray in VT

            Prior to Western intervention in Afghanistan the Taliban wasn’t really concerned with attacking people beyond their borders, which is much different from how al-Qaeda operates.

          • pete18

            But since the invasion we are now their enemy, hence the pentagon’s assessment. The Taliban also continue to collaborate with Al Queda. We currently have soldiers in Afghanistan who are fighting the Taliban as well as allies, why in the world would we choose to putting them at additional risk to bring home one soldier?

          • Ray in VT

            Oh, we still have soldiers there? I was unaware of that. Thanks.

            I am quite aware of our current situation, as well as how that impacts our relation to the Taliban. As long as we are in Afghanistan I do continue to expect them to continue to attack us, although so far this year casualties are quite low. However, those realities do not change the fact that they weren’t particularly interested in attacking us as long as we stayed out of their country, which was the point that I was making regarding a real and substantial difference between the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

          • pete18

            You’re welcome. You seemed unaware of this fact based on your support of the president’s decision.

            Your points of distinction between the Taliban and Al Qaeda are irrelevant ones in relation to the wisdom of releasing the Taliban prisoners. They are still of high risk to attack our soldiers and allies. Why would you be supportive of such an additional risk to our soldiers?

          • Ray in VT

            Your conclusions regarding my positions are off base as usual.

          • pete18

            You don’t support the president’s trade?

          • Ray in VT

            Somewhat. Perhaps I should have clarified by writing not my positions, but rather my knowledge, thought process, and weighing of various pieces of information both pro and con.

          • pete18

            I’m officially confused (opening created for lame joke response).

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I can agree with your last sentence if you add the word “currently” at the end. If the Taliban is allowed to blossom in Afghanistan there is no doubt that they will spread their murderous ideology here to our shores.

          • Ray in VT

            The fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here approach? I think that we need to take steps to combat militants, but to merely apply blanket statements to very different groups is a mistake. I’m not so sure that they would have much interest in ranging beyond their borders, although they may fraternize with those who do.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I appreciate your caution. It is unwise to conflate Al-Q with the Taliban or Boko Haram as Sec Clinton once did.

            The central issue is that we are being confronted by an ideology that is antithetical to our own. We must as a nation decide how we will deal with that reality. There are those that will be happy to ignore this. Others will send other peoples children to far off parts of the globe to show how tough we are. Others see bombers under every bed and feel that if you don’t submit to body cavity searches then you must be a “terrorist” whatever that means.

            I propose a different solution. This is a war of ideologies so we should fight it as such. Lucky for us we have the best ideas and the ideas of our enemies have failed every time they have been tried.

          • Steve__T

            OMG are you serious?

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Yes.
            Are you new here? If so allow me to introduce my self I am the Chief Evangelist of the Worcester Tea Party. Welcome.

          • Steve__T

            No I’m not new, but I here by award you,
            The Nucken Fut of the week

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Thanks Steve_T I will treasure it always.

        • pete18

          I love the “old men” talking point that the left is trotting out to justify this. These guys are all in their 40s and perfectly capable of training, planning and organizing (as well as fighting). No worries, nothing to see here, just a harmless trade of five”old men”for a “child.”

      • MrStang

        the box-cutter wielders were from Saudi Arabia.
        Missles is something you choke on and fear.

      • MrStang

        dude “Heroshima”…stuff happens…heh

      • northeaster17

        Are you implying that 911 was in anyway simalar to Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Your really jumping the tank there sir

    • WoozyCanary

      Except maybe for Papa Bush, there hasn’t really been a legitimately elected Recon President since Ike.

      Noxin undermined Johnson’s pending peace agreement with North Vietnam.

      Raygun undercut any potential for the hostage release by backroom arms dealing with Iran.

      Katherine Harris axed tens of thousands of African-American voters from voting rolls, and the votes were never properly recounted, so we were afflicted with Shrub.

      • harverdphd

        NY Times said the votes were correct. Bush won: get over it.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Let’s all genuflect to the creator of the EPA: President Richard M. Nixon. Hand salute. Two.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Liberal constitutional expert Jonathan Turley on Obama’s abuse of power: “Obama is the President Richard Nixon always dreamed of being.”

      • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

        I comment the same idea every day. Hoober Doober

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    They fired everyone but the top folks responsible. Typical USA Capitalist Police State.

  • M S

    Barra should be fired by GM’s Board.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      And then the board should be fired. By the shareholders.

      • M S

        Agreed, and the shareholders equity value should drop to zero.

        • Jill122

          A lot of 401(k) non-voting stock and pension funds in that playpen. Maybe it’s time to give 401(k) and retirement funds (the real “owners”) the vote in their own corporation instead of just allowing the “managers” (CEO, COO, etc.) to ruin the place.

          • M S

            Pension funds decide which companies they invest in and what shares they purchase…and the have no implicit ‘right’ to an increase in value of their stake…buyer beware.

          • Jill122

            Pension fund “Administrators” you mean. When was the last time you decided what stock was in your portfolio. It’s one of the great scams runon Americans. It’s tax free (twinkle, twinkle) employers contribute (twinkle, twinkle) but you don’t get to vote, the mangers can run wild and the administrators collect their fees (on which they pay 10% tax because . .).

            And there’s no other game in town (well, there was one, but somehow that went away when derivatives/swaps were used to bundle your house into a S&P AAA rate piece of dog doo). Did I mention those banks bet against their own derivatives so that we had to bail out AIG in the process?

            The classic shell game with fancy, high speed computers and math majors too big to fail.

    • Coastghost

      What? She was hired explicitly to deal with this specific corporate crisis.
      A conspicuous question I don’t hear being asked: what credit for GM’s (shoddy interim) performance goes to the Federal GM rescue?

      • M S

        And she’s done a poor job.

        • Jill122

          Hardly! She’s the only believable face in the entire place. Without her they’d be hoping to sell a few thousand cars this year.

          • northeaster17

            Dont forget she has association with the current admin. She must therefore be repeatedly slamed.

          • M S

            Hm, didn’t know, but should have realized (expected).

    • Jill122

      Sure it’s all her fault!! (In an alternative universe.) You are playing right into the meme that she was only hired to be the fall guy for a corporation that has known for years that they literally had skeletons in the closet.

      • hennorama

        Jill122 — no, it’s President Obama’s fault, obviously.

        • MrNutso

          Seriously. Get with the program.

        • M S

          Hold on, it can’t be Obama’s fault, he’s black (actually he’s half-black/half-white) and it’s certainly not Barra’s fault, a woman. It’s the white men’s fault. lulz

          • hennorama

            M S — Thank you for your response.

            The first part of your statement is accurate (“Hold on, it can’t be Obama’s fault…”), but every word thereafter is absurd bafflegab.

            TY again FYR.

          • M S

            hennorama — Thanks for your worthless opinion and lack of insight. TY again.

          • hennorama

            M S — TYFYR.

            Quoting Pres./St. Reagan: “There you go again…,” showing disdain for the obvious worth of the use of “bafflegab.”

          • StilllHere

            We’ll find a scapegoat here soon enough.

    • OnPointComments

      NHTSA knew about GM’s ignition switch problem by 2007. In 2009, the government had a 61% ownership stake in GM, and could have forced GM to recall the cars.

      • northeaster17

        And if that happened the right would be going nuts over the government interfering even more with private enterprise. Nuts I tell ya….Nuts

        • OnPointComments

          It’s hardly private enterprise when the government has a controlling interest.

  • Che Bianchi

    The Ron Paul/Ralph Nader crowd has both Hippies, Cowboys and Indians. It wants liberty more than anything. It does not fear 2042, because it IS the projected “no blanco” demographic. Tom, NPR and the “elites” fear the amalgamation of “occupy wall street” and “the tea party” as it represents the fight against tyranny, corruption and evil; the very driving force of power that be.

  • JGC

    I wonder why Bowe Bergdahl thought joining the armed services was the best way to help the Afghan people, as to opposed joining a NGO or the Peace Corps, or something similar.

    • hennorama

      JGC — good question, and like the myriad others in this case, it won’t be answered until Sgt. Bergdahl speaks for himself in the media, assuming he ever does.

      On a related note, some are suggesting that Sgt. Bergdahl’s lack of speaking to the media is due to him being coached by the Obama administration, and he hasn’t yet “learned his lines,” so to speak.

      From the CabbageSmasher (AKA Charles Krauthammer):

      The administration has been saying through Susan Rice that he served with honor and distinction. They have a stake in that being the case. They have a stake in America thinking that, and, you know, I would like to see them treat him as needs to be treated but then let him speak to the United States. Let him speak to the citizens who paid a very heavy price in releasing these senior Taliban guys and tell us what really happened without any coaching, thank you very much.

      The quote above is in the video below. Start at about 2:30 in, to get the full “flavor.”

      http://video.foxnews.com/v/3608234353001/krauthammer-bergdahl-handover-is-taliban-victory-video/

      • northeaster17

        The ol Krauth sure knows what he is doing. By inserting Susan Rice into the situation he gets the Benghazi nut frothing even before he makes a single point. Amazing

        • Jill122

          They are going to be sorry. They have conflated all of their ramblings about what is wrong with this president, so that the entire country is left with the feeling that they are willing to cannibalize anyone and anything in order to attack Obama.

          It’s not a winning strategy. Parents of young military men and women are watching.

          Let’s hope the military is watching as their “champions” tear this young man apart, and opine that we should have left him on the battlefield.

        • hennorama

          northeaster17 — TY for your response.

          To be fair, National Security Advisor Rice did comment about Sgt. Bergdahl, so the connection is relevant.

      • Jill122

        Just yesterday Krauthammer proclaimed that the Administration did the right thing by freeing Bergdahl!

        CK’s twitter account must run very slowly.

      • JGC

        Ick.

        • hennorama

          JGC — the full “flavor” does leave a bit of a bad taste. Sorry for the lack of a WARNING label ;-).

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        “CabbageSmasher”

        Is that a slur related to Dr. Krauthammer’s disability?

        • Ray in VT

          I was not aware that what would appear to be German heritage is considered to be a disability.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Oh.. it is just an ethnic slur … nothing to do with his smashing his spine…OK…thanks for clearing it up.

          • Ray in VT

            Indeed, I’m sure that it has nothing to do with sauerkraut being a popular German dish or that hammers smash things. One wonders why he chooses to keep Kraut in his name, given that it is a slur against Germans. Surely this is a sign of his hatred of Germans.

          • StilllHere

            He likes to change it up, ethnic slurs sometimes, then making fun of disabilities the next. He’s loves TBIs the most. Stand-up guy.

        • hennorama

          WftC — TYFYR.

          Kraut = cabbage
          Hammer = hammer, a tool that one might use to smash things, ergo a “smasher.”

          If Dr. Krauthammer has some disability, I am not aware of it, and certainly would never use any such trait in a derogatory fashion.

          In short, the answer to your question is “No.”

          TYAFYR.

        • JGC

          How did you come up with that as an allusion to disability? Now you have me seeing a picture of Krauthammer in my mind repeatedly running over a head of cabbage with his wheelchair.

          Thanks, Obama.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Don’t over analyze how my mind works — certainly not a productive venture.

            Dr. Krauthammer’s spine was severed via a blow to the head during a diving accident.

    • Jill122

      You mean you didn’t buy the part where we were there to help Afghanistan rid itself of the brutal rule of the Taliban? Why shame on you. That’s exactly what Bush promised our hand-picked American Hamid Karzai. We would be there as long as it takes to turn Afghanistan into a thriving 4th world country. And we had plenty of money to contribute to building schools, and (blank) and (blank) and a contractor right on the government’s payroll (Halliburton, Brown & Root) to actually build ALL the infrastructure anyone could need.

      We were never at war with the Afghanis. We were there to save them!!!

      • JGC

        There is that. But I think I mean at a more fundamental level, like what were some of the options he considered as a young adult, what was his window on the world. Idaho seems to have a fairly conservative culture, some militia-leaning communities, yet is a place with a fiercely proud independent-thinking streak… well, those are my East coast impressions, anyway…Did he think the best way to help was to join a military unit, as opposed to working through a non-military organization, because he had never been exposed to that option?

        • JS

          ANd when you were that age you always made thoughtful decisions? I know I didn’t, and I’m sure my thought process is much more refined today.

        • notafeminista

          Right, because there are no televisions, computers or radios in Idaho.

          • JGC

            Ha! That’s true. I guess I was wondering about the home schooling aspect, if that was an open or narrow experience. But Bergdahl sounds like a fine, curious and well-read young person from this account I just found from Oregon Live, with lots of attributes that should have contributed to him being an equally fine soldier (the comment section is also interesting, for other reasons):

            http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2014/06/bowe_bergdahls_idaho_friends_d.html

            So I am still left wondering, what happened?

        • hennorama

          JGC — BBC News has a decent bio of Sgt. Bergdahl, which gives some hints:

          By age 20, Sgt Bergdahl is said to have grown restless and requested to join the infantry force of the French Foreign Legion.

          He travelled to Paris to learn French, only to later have his application rejected.

          Upon returning to Idaho, Sgt Bergdahl worked as a barista at a local coffee shop, his interest in survivalism and combat grew.

          He reportedly told a family friend about wanting to travel to Africa to teach self-defence techniques to threatened villagers.

          Now that he’s home safe, and after he recovers, he might consider a current local job opening:

          Hailey Police Department – Patrol Officer

          Job Classification: FLSA Non-Exempt – Patrol Officer

          Annual Salary Range: $42,000 – $44,100 depending on qualifications

          Job Summary:

          The Hailey Police Department is now hiring for the position of PATROL OFFICER. This open position is full time and requires the successful applicant to work 4 ten hour rotating shifts per week (days, swings, graves, holidays, court preparation/testimony, etc.).

          Sources:
          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27673631

          http://www.haileycityhall.org/employment/

          • JGC

            Thanks, hennorama-

          • hennorama

            YW, JGC.

    • jimino

      I expect the primary reason was that he wanted to kill “bad guys”.

    • HonestDebate1

      I don’t think it would be prudent to rule out the notion he might have thought jihad was the best way. These things must be considered nowadays.

  • JGC

    I also wonder why Amit Mishra is so wierdly obsessed by “beauty queen wife” Margaret Brennan?

    • Jill122

      Creepy, right?

  • hennorama

    From Tom’s Reading List above, the June 4, 2014 CBS News item included the following last graf:

    We did learn today that Bergdahl’s unit established that he had been captured within 30 minutes of his disappearance. To be charged as a deserter, you need to have been voluntarily gone from your post for 30 days. So until we hear Bergdahl’s side of the story, it’s really unclear what charges he could face.

    That seems a bit outside the evidence that’s been made public thus far. Wikileak released a log that includes the following, which was more than 11 hours after the initial report (“TIMELINE: 0430z BLACKFOOT TOC REPORTS SOLDIER IS MISSING”):

    UPDATE: 1543z INTERCEPTED RADIO TRANSMISSION THAT THE TALIBAN HAD 3 X CIVILIANS AND 1 X U.S. SOLDIER CAPTURED

    Does anyone know the basis for the statement in the CBS News article, “that Bergdahl’s unit established that he had been captured within 30 minutes of his disappearance”?

    Sources:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bergdahl-had-left-his-post-at-least-once-before-investigation-found/
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/afghan-war-logs-show-furious-search-bergdahl-early-hours-n122706
    http://wikileaks.org/afg/event/2009/06/AFG20090630n1790.html

    • TFRX

      Henno, can I nominate you to do all of NPR’s homework?

    • HonestDebate1

      Well it does seem that if you sneak off with the intent of joining the enemy then 30 seconds should be sufficient. That’s what is alleged but we don’t know. It also follows that the word “capture” is open to interpretation. It’s best to look at the larger picture.

  • X Y & Z

    Unemployed Women Increased by 60,000 in May

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/unemployed-women-increased-60000-may

    You can thank Obamanomics for that.

    • TFRX

      More CNS crap.

      Hope you’re just a straight-through puke funnel rather than an ingester.

      • X Y & Z

        Sorry Sherlock, 60,000 women lost their jobs in May, as reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

        Keep ignoring the facts, it saves you from having to think independently, which is clearly a problem for you.

        • Ray in VT

          Please provide some evidence that the losses are from “Obamanomics”, or has Zero Hedge or CNS not told you why to think that yet?

      • hennorama

        TFRX — “straight-through puke funnel” is hereby nominated for Description Of The Day.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          It has such an evocative image.

        • TFRX

          It’s a common term from those on the left.

          • hennorama

            TFRX — regardless, it’s exceptionally descriptive, ergo the nomination. Thanks.

    • Ray in VT

      Is that how far you had to dig to find some bad news? 217,000 jobs added and an increase to the number of people in the labor force.

      • X Y & Z

        Of course you provide no evidence for your claim.

        • Ray in VT
          • jefe68

            His source… aluminum foil hats.

          • X Y & Z

            Wow. That’s really deep. Make sure you share that zinger with the rest of your playmates in the sandbox.

          • Ray in VT

            Well, while he is there he can dig up a few more turds for you to post.

          • X Y & Z

            I’ll leave that to you the next time you want to besmirch the achievements of General Patton.

          • Ray in VT

            Hey, if you want to ignore the criticism of his contemporaries and historians of aspects of the man because you’re getting one up over a questionable quote that is attributed to him, then by all means have at it.

          • jefe68

            I’m convinced this guy is either very immature or very young. Or both.

          • X Y & Z

            Go back to the gutter, you’re much better off in your natural environment.

          • jefe68

            Thanks for proving my observations.
            Such a childish mentality, and if you’re middle aged, seek help.

          • X Y & Z

            Seek help?

            OK, give me the number of your shrink.

          • jefe68

            Grow up. And stop acting like a petulant adolescent who’s had the car keys taken away by Mommy.

          • X Y & Z

            Do you enjoy amusing yourself?

            Because nobody with any common sense takes you seriously.

            You’re a total joke.

          • StilllHere

            Don’t worry, he gets all his help in government-sponsored 12 step programs.

          • jefe68

            You two should take this act on the road.
            You’re the Beavis and Butt-head of right wing rhetoric.

          • StilllHere

            Damn, if I wasn’t right, look at these posts below. Adolescent boys and butts … this guy is sick.

          • jefe68

            Pathetic, you really are a sad little man.

          • Ray in VT

            I am going to guess at least middle aged and immature. Maybe old.

          • X Y & Z

            How about giving us some more of your comical Koch brothers conspiracy theories of world domination.
            I could use a good laugh.

          • Ray in VT

            What was conspiratorial about anything that I posted? Perhaps conspiracy, along with correct, is another word that you unaware of the proper definition of.

          • X Y & Z

            You’re so quick to defend the deserter Bergdahl, yet so quick to discredit one of America’s greatest combat generals.

          • Ray in VT

            Obviously not jumping the gun and calling a guy a deserter is the same as not hero worshipping a general and white washing his record so that we can wrap ourselves in the flag and be proud to be ‘Merican when we look at him.

          • X Y & Z

            Giving the proper respect to one of America’s finest generals, who earned it, is not “hero worshipping” as you claim. When you make statements like that, the only thing that’s getting besmirched is your credibility.

          • jefe68

            Ahh, the troll is trying so hard. You should take a pill and lie down.

          • X Y & Z

            You posted your lowly IQ score next to your name.

            Aren’t you special!

          • X Y & Z

            The link I provided referenced numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which also showed that unemployment for women increased from 6.1 to 6.2% in April.
            In addition, the BLS has a well known habit of revising rosey numbers downward at a later date, such was the case when the BLS stated that economic growth shrank in Q1 2014.

          • Ray in VT

            Oh my god. More women were employed in May than in April, but because more women entered the workforce, then the unemployment number went up by .1%. The horror! The horror!

            Monthly jobs numbers get revised twice before they are finalized. Just look at the April numbers. They got revised all of the way down from 288,000 jobs added to 282,000 jobs added. The horror!

            Also, the BLS doesn’t issue GDP numbers.

          • X Y & Z

            What did the federal government claim that the economic growth in Q4 2013 was, 2.6%?

            So economic growth went from 2.6% in Q4 2013 to negative economic growth in Q1 2014?

            I don’t buy it one bit. The federal government routinely puts out rosey economic numbers for political reasons, then later revises them downward. The economy has gotten so bad, that anybody with any common sense, isn’t buying the pro growth numbers DC is claiming. Even Jack Welch, the former head of G.E. (which does a lot of business with the government), claims that the feds put out a lot fake economic numbers, for political reasons.

          • Ray in VT

            Obviously factors that contribute to economic numbers don’t or can’t change significantly from one quarter to another. It’s all just a big conspiracy, because obviously the numbers also only ever get revised downward. Oh yeah, Jack Welch. I loved his claims that the administration was rigging the jobs numbers before the election. Yet another sign that the American right wing has gone totally off the rails.

          • X Y & Z

            It must be part of the Koch brothers conspiracy that you were ranting about the other day.

          • Ray in VT

            Some of the facts of their support for various groups such as the Formaldehyde Council has gotten out, despite their best efforts to conceal how they are attempting to influence the system.

      • jefe68

        Why do you bother, this guys only here to post screeds.

        • TFRX

          Because someone at NPR thinks “We can’t ignore CNS–someone somewhere mushymiddledon’toffendwingnuts” rather than “CNS is shat, so we can forget about them”.

          • jefe68

            Still, that bottom feeder is pathetic.
            Why bother.

          • X Y & Z

            You can’t be as completely moronic as you sound?

            You are!

        • X Y & Z

          Nobody does it better than you.

          • StilllHere

            You’re trying to fight the fact-free brigade. They’ve got liberal dogma on their side and that’s it.

    • hennorama

      Drone-bot Alert.

      • X Y & Z

        Then go back in your chicken coop.

        • StilllHere

          You play that guy like a fiddle. He can’t refute your facts so he resorts to name-calling. Pathetic. Any moment, and the guy who carries his shorts will be in to defend him. Oh, look, there he is just below.

          • jefe68

            The king of pathetic pontificates….

          • TFRX

            You really need to find a better person to praise than the Joe Shlatbotnik of this forum.

      • jefe68

        It’s more of a troll alert… and their getting kind of slimy. Like slugs.

    • StilllHere

      Obama’s war on women continues.

      • X Y & Z

        In addition to his war on the Constitution, as well as the truth.

    • tbphkm33

      Troll Alert – “CNS News” is not a balanced and impartial news source – it is in fact the Conservative News Service. Clearly evident what slant that “news” source will have.

      • X Y & Z

        Of course you would much rather blindly follow a President who has over 2,400 drones kills to his credit, which includes hundreds of innocent civilians.

        • Guest

          Woo Hoo, 2,400 terrorist killed!

          • X Y & Z

            Obama’s illegal drone strikes also includes 273 innocent civilians killed.

            http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

            Are you still celebrating?

          • tbphkm33

            I say we ship the impostor “President” GW Bush off to the Hague to stand trail for crimes against humanity – invading the sovereign nation of Iraq under false pretenses, thus being responsible for an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 civilian deaths.

          • X Y & Z

            Why not? He can be Obama’s cell-mate.
            Then Obama can claim that he honestly earned the title of jailhouse lawyer.

          • X Y & Z

            JS, you posted it, man up to it.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        But neither is NPR, so?

        • ExcellentNews

          NPR is a neutral news source. If you want to hear LEFT-BIASED news, listen to Pacifica. They are the left mirror of Fox and the ClearChannel Inc. talk radio shows.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Such matters are a function of perspective. NPR is an extremist in my view. Other here have commplained that they aren’t extreme enough. Those people opine that President Obama is a right leaning centrist.

            I will have to investigate Pacifica, thanks for the suggestion.

            http://www.pacifica.org/

          • TFRX

            NPR leans right. They’re afraid of pissing off right-wing establishment figures.

            But they are a real news source.

            The funny thing is, there’s nothing in “conservative” and “journalism” that goes together any longer.

    • StilllHere

      I appreciate your facts, but your critics will target the source; it’s all they’ve got.

      • TFRX

        CNS is a shatstain. No wonder you believe it.

  • StilllHere

    $2 billion for the Clippers. Does the gold-digger pick stocks too? What’s on her list?

    • northeaster17

      Yeah the billionare is always the victim

      • StilllHere

        Actually, I think she helped him top-tick the market with a sucker buyer at the ready. There are no losers here.

  • Ray in VT

    The Spurs intentionally turned off the AC last night to cramp up LeBron and win game 1. Any bets that Obama was behind it?

    • StilllHere

      He gives everyone the cramps, and worse.

      • X Y & Z

        LOL!

      • Ray in VT

        LeBron? Is that his superpower?

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Of course. New EPA rules.

      • Ray in VT

        Yup, and the green energy stuff caused the Superbowl power failure a while back too.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          If you say so, but I thought it might have been a circuit overload because someone accidentally plugged in the Halliburton Hurricane Machine.

          • Ray in VT

            I can’t keep my anti-Obama conspiracies straight.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            No, no, no… this was the Bush conspiracy plugged into the Superbowl’s circuit.

          • jefe68

            Just default to Benghazi and you’ll be fine.

    • hennorama

      Ray in VT — any bets the sports books in Las Vegas and elsewhere were upset? (SA Spurs were favored by 4 to 5 points)

      Of course, as was pointed out, LbJ has cramped up before, in fully-airconditioned arenas.

      And the Spurs, playing under the same conditions, went 14 of 16 from the field, including 6 of 6 from 3-point range, in the 4th quarter.

    • TFRX

      Isn’t that just taking a page from the Celtics’ playbook?

  • tbphkm33

    FYI – there are two upcoming fee free days that are being observed by most state and federal land management agencies. So, take advantage the next two Saturday’s for fee free days – although, do check to make sure the agency where you are going hiking is observing the holidays:

    June 7, National Trails Day
    June 14, National Get Outdoors Day

    P.S.: invite a friend or two – fill up that car if you are heading out anyway.

    • Mike

      Thanks, Mr. Ashbrook.

      • jefe68

        You know for a guy who has gone on about being a real “man”, a lot… you sure act like a 14 year old adolescent.

      • StilllHere

        Watch out, the guy below thinks you’re in his preferred age group.

        • jefe68

          Ahh isn’t that cute. The bottom feeder has made an attempt at humor.

        • X Y & Z

          So true

        • TFRX

          Hey, let’s all play that game.

          I’m not saying you’re a child molester.

          No, everyone but me is saying you’re a pervert who has to tell the new .neighbors whenver you move or you’ll violate your parole.

          Gee, that was fun!

    • hennorama

      tbphkm33 — the National Parks Service also has annual passes that are good values (from $10 for seniors to $80 for most):

      America the Beautiful

      The National Parks and Federal Recreational Lands Pass Series

      A pass is your ticket to more than 2,000 federal recreation sites. Each pass covers entrance fees at national parks and national wildlife refuges as well as standard amenity fees at national forests and grasslands, and at lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management and Bureau of Reclamation. A pass covers entrance and standard amenity fees for a driver and all passengers in a personal vehicle at per vehicle fee areas (or up to four adults at sites that charge per person). Children age 15 or under are admitted free.

      For more information, see:
      http://www.nps.gov/findapark/passes.htm

      • tbphkm33

        I know, those are a great deal. If you live close to one specific park, you can also buy a $30 annual pass or a $5 day use pass for that specific park.

        The fee free days are great to get people out there and experience the national treasures the parks really are.

        Stop by the ranger station and they will give you great tips of where to go depending upon what you want to do.

        FYI: Due to irresponsible pet owners, dogs are banned from most National Parks. Elsewhere, please keep your dog and wildlife safe by observing the leash restrictions.

        • hennorama

          tbphkm33 — excellent reminder about man’s best friends, and Parks Service members, who in my experience are unfailingly knowledgeable and helpful.

          I’ve taken full advantage of the NPS annual passes previously, and plan to again, if not this year, then certainly in 2015.

          ROAD TRIP!

  • JS

    No, only the bad stuff

  • JS

    I’ll put $10 Germany, and some schnitzel.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Accidental journalism from The Guardian:

    “The claim of a 97% consensus on global warming does not stand up

    Consensus is irrelevant in science. There are plenty of examples in history where everyone agreed and everyone was wrong”

    “The theologist Michael Rosenberger has described climate protection as a new religion, based on a fear for the apocalypse, with dogmas, heretics and inquisitors like Nuccitelli. I prefer my politics secular and my science sound.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2014/jun/06/97-consensus-global-warming

    • Ray in VT

      Thanks, climate “skeptic” and GWPF member Richard Tol. It was nice of the Guardian to publish his criticisms of the Cook paper, seeing as how reviewers for journals found no actual basis to question the credibility and rigor of it in what he submitted to them for publication.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Dr. Richard Tol is not a “skeptic”. He is a member of the IPCC and full blown warmist.

        But of course, it is important for EVERYONE to toe the line otherwise the propaganda won’t be as effective.

        • Ray in VT

          Really? I guess that that is why he is associated with the GWPF and is on the list of scientists dissenting regarding AGW http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Gee, if you actually read his article you would see that he is warmist. Why did he join GWPF? I’m not sure but perhaps he is like Bengtsson and was looking for an outlet for honest disclosure of the science.

            http://judithcurry.com/2014/05/16/reflections-on-bengtsson-and-the-gwpf/

          • Ray in VT

            An “honest disclosure of the science”? Is that what the GWPF calls it when they issue a cherry picked “report” on climate sensitivity? If either of them was looking for honesty, then some think tank with secret funding is hardly the place to go.

    • OnPointComments

      THE MYTH OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE ’97%’
      What is the origin of the false belief—constantly repeated—that almost all scientists agree about global warming?

      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

      Excerpt:
      Yet the assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction. The so-called consensus comes from a handful of surveys and abstract-counting exercises that have been contradicted by more reliable research.

      The “97 percent” figure in the Zimmerman/Doran survey represents the views of only 79 respondents who listed climate science as an area of expertise and said they published more than half of their recent peer-reviewed papers on climate change. Seventy-nine scientists—of the 3,146 who responded to the survey—does not a consensus make.

      • jefe68

        Pathetic. It really is amazing how pathetic and low some of you right wingers stoop.

        • HonestDebate1

          Surely you never bought the 97% thing?

          • jefe68

            I’m sick and tired of trying to even reason with people like you. It’s beyond the pale of reason. If you don’t believe in climate change, that’s not my problem. If you think you’re debating the issue… well you’re mistaken.

          • HonestDebate1

            I’ll take that as a, “yes I did”. Who said I didn’t believe in climate change?

          • jefe68

            If you do, then why support all the rhetoric that denies it? What’s the point of the above BS?
            Stop telling me what I think… get it sparky.

          • StilllHere

            Oh, he bought it. He buys whatever they’re selling. He can’t think for himself. It’s pathetic to see this loser twist to appease those he sponges off of. He’s a creep.

          • X Y & Z

            I couldn’t agree with you more.

      • StilllHere

        Great stuff, expect the usual pathetic leftwing creeps to criticize you and not your facts.

    • ExcellentNews

      Consensus is indeed irrelevant in science. What’s relevant is math and data. Both point with high degree of confidence towards man-made global warming. Of which, coal use accounts for the largest effect.

      Of course, the coal barons who are funding a campaign to discredit and obfuscate the issue, care not. And they have a large fraction of the population who does not believe in math and data dancing to their tune.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    “The Weather Forecast That Saved D-Day”

    “D-Day: The Sceptical Meteorologists Who Surprised The Nazis By Saying ‘Yes’ To June 6″

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/06/the-weather-forecast-that-saved-d-day/#more-110949

    • Ray in VT

      It’s a good thing that they were there to see through the conspiracy.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        I hesitate to ask but which conspiracy are we onto now?

        • StilllHere

          That guy had his tinfoil hat sewn to his head.

          • X Y & Z

            In his case, I can definitely believe that.

        • Ray in VT

          Certainly as the modern “skeptics” have seen through the vast conspiracy that corrupt and incompetent scientists have constructed in order to steal our freedoms, i.e. AGW, the “skeptics” then also saw through some sort of conspiracy. Surely it isn’t just some sort of lame attempt by the current climate “skeptics” to attempt to cast doubt upon the research of the climate science community by highlighting differences in weather forecasts from 70 years ago.

  • Pleiades

    As an individual who has had the privilege to visit all the WWII cemetery located in other nations, i know several WWII/D-Day veterans who get very insulted when people (like Tom, for example) do not actually use the whole name of the amred forces cemetery he (or she) may be speaking about in conversation.

    The Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial
    Omaha Beach
    Colleville-sur-Mer, France

    If you ever have the opportunity to visit one of these locations, you will be touched in way that you have never been touched.

  • OnPointComments

    There is no free lunch. Following $15 minimum wage in SeaTac, local businesses are adding a 8.25% ‘living wage surcharge’

    Excerpt:

    At the start of the year, the Seattle suburb of SeaTac raised the area’s minimum wage to $15, and the consequences are now starting to be felt. And it’s not just the unions who championed the effort, or those who still have jobs, that are feeling them.

    • Over the last few months, a few things have happened:
    • Managers have taken more responsibilities on themselves, instead of hiring more workers.
    • Businesses have laid off workers, or eliminated their plans to hire more.
    Area parking now comes with an added “living-wage surcharge.”
    • Hotels have cut employee benefits, free food, and overtime.

    Shocking: when bad ideas are put into place, there are consequences.
    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/144019-results-seattles-minimum-wage-hike-deserve-big-fat-told/

    • hennorama

      OPC — OMG! The horror!

      A 99 cents per day parking surcharge, which is 4.125 cents per hour.

      However will those parkers survive?

      See:
      http://www.masterparking.com/php/seattle_airport_parking.php

      • OnPointComments

        I doubt that the parking surcharge will be last surcharge seen in SeaTac.

        • StilllHere

          Hey, it’s easy spending other people’s money, especially for liberals.

    • TFRX

      More whining from business people who get to say whatever they feel like and their asswipe enablers in the media, including trollbots like you.

      Nothing on the ticket about the EPA surcharge, the SocSec surcharge, the Obamacare surcharge, the OSHA surcharge…………………………………

  • X Y & Z

    Obamacare ‘Bailout’ For One Insurer Will Cost Up To $450 Million In 2014

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/02/06/obamacare-bailout-for-one-insurer-450-million-in-2014/

    The fiasco known as Obamacare continues to get worse. Repeal Obamacare, the sooner the better.

    • OnPointComments

      How much will Obamacare cost? I don’t know. And neither does the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) or the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT).

      CBO QUIETLY DROPS FORECAST THAT OBAMACARE WILL CUT THE DEFICIT
      http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/06/05/CBO-Quietly-Drops-Forecast-Obamacare-Will-Cut-Deficit

      Excerpt:
      The CBO has consistently projected that President Obama’s overhaul will reduce the deficit, and the agency estimated that the Republicans’ 2011 effort to repeal the legislation would increase deficits by $210 billion from 2010 to 2021.

      In April, the agency quietly signaled that it can no longer make that projection; that the law had been changed and delayed so much that there is no longer a credible way to estimate the long-term effects on the deficit of all elements of the program taken together.

      Now it’s unclear whether the law is still on track to reduce the deficit or end up adding many billions of dollars more to the current $17 trillion national debt. CBO and JCT currently estimate that the insurance coverage provisions alone of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period.

    • ExcellentNews

      You forgot to bring up Obama’s BIRTH CERTIFICATE and the muslim idol statue he’s ordered erected in New York with taxpayer money taken from Tag Romney’s inheritance.

      • X Y & Z

        The Obama Deflection team is on the clock.

        • ExcellentNews

          Yes, I am working up to my free cell phone. What did Rupert Murdoch promise you? A free gun?

          • X Y & Z

            How long did your Obama phone last before it broke down?

          • ExcellentNews

            What do you mean? I am told is solar-powered, and therefore will work forever :)

  • harverdphd

    So, Mrs Clinton…appears you Democrats are soft on terror. Care to comment?

  • Cacimo

    The notion that the Taliban administrative division was able to convince the fighters is crazy. Of course the fighters were eager to trade one American deserter for five of their best.

    • JS

      Five of their best what? Old men? Has been from the 80 war with Russia and the 90 inter-Afghan struggles?

      • Mike

        They aren’t that old. One is in his early 40s.

        • HonestDebate1

          They were the worst in Gitmo. If the narrative that the devil incarnates are not that bad takes hold, the joint will be empty in a week. I agree with your sentiment. And these guys are free to move about the country.

          I suppose it can be argued that the deal was noble but the threat we invited should not be minimized. In my view, even if Bergdahl turns out to be a righteous hero, the swap was a somber occasion. We were negotiating with terrorist, paying a high price and making the world more dangerous.

          • Mike

            I mean, most sane and even just semi-moral Americans despised the fact that we were perpetrating a horrible injustice at Gitmo. That’s yet another reason they voted for Obama — because he promised to close it. (Oh, did he break yet another huge promise without apology or real explanation?). But what we wanted to happen was for him to HOLD THE TRIALS — not just release prisoners.

          • HonestDebate1

            Gitmo is necessary and the best place to hold military tribunals. It was never going to be closed. Obama knew that from day one.

          • Mike

            Whether that’s true or not, the essence of the issue is that the people being held there are being held indefinitely WITHOUT TRIAL. And being tortured. It’s fine to use it as a place to hold people before trial. What the American people objected to was the indefinite detention without trial, and the torture. If they could be assured that neither of those two things would take place there, then I don’t think they would be concerned about Gitmo.

          • HonestDebate1

            It’s the same thing with indefinite detention without a trial, there was no way Obama was ever going to change that. These are not just people. They unlawful enemy combatants. They are not U.S. citizens, they are not entitled to Constitutional protections. Obama, or any President, needs an appropriate venue for these thugs and if he didn’t know it then, he knows it now. He was making a promise in 2008 that he did not think through in terms of national security.

            There is no torture at Gitmo, Even the three who got the nasal rinse didn’t get it at Gitmo.

            I am not being flip in the slightest bit when I point out that killing them with a drone without any trial at all is now the preferred method. Prison is just too messy.

          • Mike

            Well, I’m not with you on this one. If they are that bad, then put them on trial. If they are that bad, and we have evidence to know this, then they’d go to jail. Problem solved.

          • HonestDebate1

            A trial and jail are not appropriate. This situation calls for a prison camp and a military tribunal. It’s a dangerous world and this threat from radical Islam is very real. I don’t think the President has leveled with us about it.

            He sold a world where that didn’t exist to get elected. And he went to great lengths to convince people that Al Qaeda was decimated and the world was safer to get reelected.

            So, I’ll agree to disagree on this one.

      • HonestDebate1

        They are bad, very bad.

    • TFRX

      The more you blather, the less sense you make.

      By this time tomorrow, you’ll have it down to “5 Al-Qaeda versions of Superman” for “The second coming of Quisling”.

      The Obama Derangement Syndrome is all over you, and it’s not a good look for you.

      • StilllHere

        Keep regurgitating the wisdom of your beltway inbred handlers.

        • jefe68

          The right wing troll is back. Telling people how it is… what a pathetic little man.

          • pete18

            I believe StilllHere is over 6 feet.

          • jefe68

            He could be 7 feet and would still be small, little man.

          • 1Brett1

            I still say that ‘Stillhere’ is ‘Louise’ (from years ago) and has just changed her moniker.

        • TFRX

          Another rightwing tardo on a binge to shatstorm this all over the place. Your own
          ashholed are not in check. A grownup conversation is not possible here.

      • pete18

        So are you disagreeing with the Pentagon’s assessment that the Taliban that were released were a high risk to attack americans, american soldiers and our allies now in the field? Just curious. Seems to me that the more accurate read of this would be that the downplaying or overlooking of that fact would be a version of DOKAS ( Drinking the Obama Kool Aid Syndrome) rather than ODS.

        But what do I know, I don’t read Balloon Juice.

        • TFRX

          THe right is on a binge to shatstorm this all over the place. Your own ashholed are not in check. A grownup conversation is not possible here.

          • pete18

            I’ll take that set of colorful “grownup” nouns to be a refection of you being unable to answer my simple question.

          • TFRX

            Shatstorm accomplished, troll. The right wing have promoted these guys to NeoTalibanSupermen.

          • pete18

            The pentagon listed them as high risks to attack if released. Calling me a troll or attacking the right wing is a complete non response. Do you disagree with their assessment? Why is this so hard for you to respond to?

  • Cacimo

    Ball and Brennan keep trying to label this a partisan issue. The problem is disgust at this deal is coming from both sides. Here in deep blue NYC I have heard plenty of shock and anger over this exchange.

  • Cacimo

    Obama is the one who politicized Bergdahl. He had a glory speech in the Rose Garden and then sent the sycophant Rice out to the morning shoes to call him a hero. Then the politics blew up in their face when the military freaked out. To be giving a hero’s welcome to a deserter is beyond insulting. Beatty misses the point. Of course Bergdahl’s parents are thrilled. How about the parents of soldiers who died searching for deserter Bergdahl.

    • ExcellentNews

      What an excellent hindsight visionary you are. I recommend you for a top Army strategist position and supreme judge for all military courts. Please keep the intelligence that allowed you to determine that Bergdahl is a deserter TOP SECRET – we don’t want it getting in the hands of the terrorists.

      By the way, shoes is spelled “shows”. I mean, shoes is spelled shoes, but for your intents and purposes, shows is spelled shows… oh well – I give up.

      • pete18

        What is “hindsight” about anything that Cacimo wrote? Obama knew there were questions about this guy and didn’t need to hold a press conference with the guys parents as part of the release. the only reason he did that was to score political points.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Have you really given up? I’m keeping score and if you give up I get a Bingo and a Glenn Beck Tea Set.

        • X Y & Z

          It looks like like somebody owes you a tea set.

  • WarlordBobNM

    Thank you Tom. I couldn’t agree more about your “Duck Dynasty” comment, when referring to the beard.

    • JGC

      I am from Pennsylvania. I thought of the Amish.

  • ExcellentNews

    So, President Obama frees up a soldier that (arguably) may have few loose marbles and (arguably) was not a paragon of discipline. Immediately, the right wing is in loud uproar, making it as if the President has terminally compromised the security of the USA, and as if a terrorist takeover was imminent. Wow – what a tempest in a teapot…

    Anyway, I think the biggest THREAT to our security is the treasonously disrespectful attitude of many in the right wing against the office of the President. And the fact that this attitude is inflamed courtesy of funding by a handful of billionaire oligarchs, some of which are not even American.

    • brettearle

      Has it been pointed out that Bergdhal’s supposed desertion might have been a cover for his high security clearance?

      I do not know that this is true. But I have heard that bandied about.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        I would like to believe that one of the returned has been converted into a mole for our side. There is no evidence of this as well there shouldn’t be But if it were a spy novel it would be a tale worthy of the best.
        I much prefer that rosy scenario to the idea that our president was so desperate to move the VA scandal off the front page that he knowingly made a bad deal to score some points with veterans groups, only to have it back fire on him.

    • HonestDebate1

      It’s not the right wing and I don’t think the issue is freeing him.

      • jefe68

        Yeah, it is. Fox News has been so over the top on this. It’s disgusting to how low they stoop.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Yeah, NPR has been so over the top on this. It’s disgusting to how low they stoop. And still beg for money.

      • StilllHere

        You’re right. It’s the leftwing that’s making him out to be a hero without asking the tough questions, they are so desperate to make Obama look good.

      • ExcellentNews

        You are right. The issue is that we have a President who was not approved by the Chamber of Commerce and who is refusing to let the Baby Kochs and Tag Romneys of this country inherit their parents misbegotten profits 100% tax-free…

        • pete18

          No, actually we have a president who is willing to make a very bad deal that risks other american lives to get one soldier back.

          It is a valid thing to critique regardless of who’s doing the critiquing. You dislike of Republicans plays no role in this calculation.

          • MrStang

            This sounds like a fart from Krauthamer’s anus.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Bravo, such insightful commentary truly elevates the discussion and brings light to the issues.

          • pete18

            Very astute and insightful analysis, I’d expect no less from you.

          • ExcellentNews

            Really? What I call a VERY BAD DEAL is invading a country under a false pretext because your contractor buddies at Halliburton are cheering for it…

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      I don’t remember many Democrat Apparatchiks being concerned about respect for the president 9 years ago.

      Anyway, I think the biggest THREAT to our security is the treasonously disrespectful attitude of the political class has to the whole of the people. And the handful of billionaire oligarchs who are profiting from this attitude.

      God protect the people of the USA.

  • olderworker

    Thank you, Jack Beatty, for defending the return of Bowe Bergdahl.

    • X Y & Z

      It’s not surprising that Jack Beatty would defend a deserter.

      • jefe68

        Try to use a little bit of rational thought sometimes instead of succumbing to your lizard brain.
        (no offense to lizards..)

        • X Y & Z

          Keeping acting like an imbecile, it’s the only thing you’re good at.

          • jefe68

            Ahhh, you’re so cute when you try make lame asides. Now that you’re done, you should go back to that rock you slithered out from.

          • TFRX

            Talk about XYZ being not ready to insult someone even below his weight class.

            It reminds me of a scene I observed as an elementary student in the schoolyard, where one kid screwed up his courage and put his big-boy pants on, and said to someone older than him:

            “Oh yeah, you fajit!” (sic–typed just like I heard it)

            This kid failed at even the basic retorts of the schoolyard, let alone pwning his enemy.

          • jefe68

            The word tool comes to mind.

          • X Y & Z

            To describe you

          • X Y & Z

            Who gave you permission to leave your troll cage?

          • jefe68

            Grow up little man.

          • X Y & Z

            You’re a waste of my time.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Envelope please.

          …An the Award for Judging Others goes to…

          jefe68!

          Congrats!

          Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

      • StilllHere

        Jack is past his prime, well past.

        • Bill O’Brien

          thanks for the wholly unsupported info…anonymous db

        • X Y & Z

          Agreed. NPR and On Point are not credible news sources.

      • MrStang

        “War is a Racket” – Smedley Butler (US Marine, 2 time Medal of Honor winner, anti-fascist)

        War is a mess that we all must cleanse ourselves of…

        snip<"McCain’s own tale of his torture and the confession he recorded for the North Vietnamese comes largely from his book Faith of My Fathers, in which he describes his shame at cooperating with the enemy. But some of McCain’s fellow prisoners, who were tortured and did not collaborate, have challenged his narrative, expressing their belief that McCain was not physically abused at all and that he was well treated. Others who were also in the prison camp dispute that claim. But by McCain’s own account he may have begun cooperating with the North Vietnamese within three days of his capture and was fully on board within two weeks, providing specific intelligence on his aircraft carrier, its aircraft, and the support vessels attached to it, information that was later featured in North Vietnamese radio broadcasts. One account that appeared on a wire service entitled “PW Songbird is Pilot Son of Admiral” reported that McCain may have gone beyond an acceptable level of collaboration in assisting the psychological warfare offensives aimed at American servicemen: “The broadcast was beamed to American servicemen in South Vietnam as a part of a propaganda series attempting to counter charges by U.S. Defense Secretary Melvin Laird that American prisoners are being mistreated in North Vietnam.”

        http://original.antiwar.com/gi

      • Bill O’Brien

        instead of just reporting your lack of surprise you could actually say what you’re trying to get at obliquely and snarkily and give a reason in support….just once.

        • X Y & Z

          Yawn.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    If we don’t stand for something, we fall…

    How can anyone vote Republican OR Democrat in good conscience, KNOWING congress is bought, KNOWING corporate campaign donations are considered free speech, KNOWING both parties are irreparably and intrinsically corrupt, to the point of putrefaction.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    No matter who you vote for, under the current two-party system you’ve voted to make things worse.

    Only the Democrats and Republicans are allowed to participate in the primaries. NO OTHER PARTY CAN DO THAT.

  • HonestDebate1

    Well speaking of misleading numbers, we finally got our jobs back to 2008. The pathetically overdue Obama recovery (POOR for the acronym obsessed) is the ruin of us… on one level… there are many levels of failure.

    • StilllHere

      There’s are some acronym obsessed that lurk here.
      Don’t forget the bar’s been set lower for this guy.

    • ExcellentNews

      Recovery? It’s much easier to crash something than to rebuild it. It took 20 years of conservative policies to crash the American economy and wipe out the middle class.

      Any recovery will take decades – if ever. We are still doing things as if Bush was president. No surprise there – the oligarchy who bankrolled him are rolling higher and higher.

  • JGC

    On the 70th anniversary of D-Day, there has been some discussion as to the authenticity of words attributed to General George S. Patton, WWII hero:

    “Politicians are the lowest form of life on Earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.”

    Did General Patton say that statement, which can be found widely on blogs across the internet, including this site?

    George S. Patton, Jr. grew up in a family deeply steeped in military history. His grandfather, George S. Patton, Sr. was a Confederate colonel during the American Civil War. The Democratic Party was predominate throughout the South at that time, as opposed to the party of Lincoln, the Republicans, in the North. When young George Jr. was growing up in California, he made his evening prayers with the visages of Generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson hanging on his bedroom wall, and for young Patton, it was as if they were the Gods to whom he was praying. George S. Patton’s father, (with a name change also became George S. Patton) was born in 1856, graduated from the Virginia Military Institute, eventually relocating to California where he held various political offices as a Wilson Democrat. It is established that the Patton family was most positively influenced through the Democratic Party of its day. Most of us are aware of the vital contributions that the adult George S. Patton, Jr. made to the success of the Allies in WWII as a commander, and generally speaking, of his use of colorful language in the course of his career.

    But did he say that particular quote?

    I say not.

    1.) Those words were not to be seen on the official Patton website, Not on page 1 or page 2 or page 3 of a catalogue of memorable Patton quotations. And there were many quotations presented, but not this one.

    http://www.generalpatton.com/quotes/index.html

    2.)Patton died in 1945. This was years before many of the white Southern Democrats stopped supporting their party because of the civil rights plank introduced in the Democratic campaign of 1948, which triggered the initial Dixiecrat split of the Democratic party. The timeline does not give credence to this quotation.

    3.) I could not find any reference to this exhortation in the book “Patton’s Unsung Armor of the Ardennes” by Eugene Patterson, his history where he catalogued many of Patton’s lines, either (as part of the prep Patterson personally heard) for Patton to advance his army in the fight against the Germans, or later as a journalist, when he reported Patton remarks . Patterson, who won the Silver Star and the Bronze Star with oak-leaf cluster as a combattant with the 10th Armored Division of Patton’s Third Army, later became a stalwart figure in the Civil Rights Movement as editor of the Atlanta Constitution-Journal, and later as managing editor of the Washington Post when he advanced the publishing of the Pentagon Papers, as an endrun around the Nixon White House who were trying to shut down the New York Times’ publication through the courts. There is no Liberal Democrat more storied than Eugene Patterson, and none who held General George S. Patton in higher esteem to the end of his own days in 2013.

    But here is what Patterson DID report that General George S. Patton said in a press conference on September 25, Bad Tolz, Germany, in the run-up to the Nuremberg war crime trials,(with Patton’s private thoughts expressed by letter to his daughter Beatrice: “All that sort of writing is done by Jews to get revenge. Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe. It’s a choice between them and the Russians, and I prefer the Germans.”) The Bad Tolz press conference:

    Question from press: “General, if you recall, what was that direct quote about political parties?”

    Answer from Patton: “I said that Naziism might well be compared to any of the parties at home, either Republican or Democrat.”

    Continuing in the history: “That night Patton told his diary that ‘after supper I received a telegram from General Eisenhower stating that I had been accused of differing with him in the conduct of the de-Nazification of Bavaria and asking me to fly up…It may well be the that the Philistines have at last got me.’ Eisenhower replaced Patton with Gen. Lucian Truscott as commander of Third Army and governor of Bavaria. Patton was placed in command of Fifteenth Army which was a paper headquarters whose only mission was to write a history drawing upon the lessons of World War II to instruct the army of the future.”

    Patterson’s interviews providing original materials are authenticated by texts on file in the Eugene C. Patterson Library at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, St. Petersburg, FL 33701.

    • ExcellentNews

      “Do not believe everything you read on the internet” – Abraham Lincoln, March 1868.

      • JGC

        Excellent, do you believe in the attempt to co-opt Patton as a right-wing or libertarian pre-hero through “statements” that he never said?

        • 1Brett1

          Those who started “quoting” Patton were making a deliberate attempt. Once it got around on various conservative sites, people probably have just repeated it without question.

        • ExcellentNews

          The right wing will believe anything if delivered by a blonde bombshell, wrapped in the flag, with a hint of the Bible in the background. After watching Newt, Cain, Bachman…etc. there is NOTHING that can surprise me from the party formerly known as Republican.

    • hennorama

      JGC — very well done.

  • X Y & Z
    • Steve__T

      Well get to work and stop hanging out here.

      • X Y & Z

        Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am employed.

        Somebody’s got to support Obama’s police state.

  • MrStang

    Wars wind down…Prisoners and effects are exchanged…Its at least as old as Homer and those who are too stupid to know this or worse, too shameless to admit it, are swine, wallowing in bile and excrement.

  • MrStang

    Swine will eat anything.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      “By January 2014, about 29% of 614 detainees released from the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba had returned to violence, according to the Director of National Intelligence.”

      http://online.wsj.com/articles/after-guantanamo-freed-detainees-return-to-violence-in-syria-battlefields-1401839291

      SO what should we do with those people we have captured?

      • MrStang

        ‘returned to violence…”

        We need to leave their country and they need to leave our prison.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Such bumper sticker sentiments don’t hold up well in the real world.

          • MrStang

            I don’t know, my bumper sticker “don’t get in a land war in Central Asia” was ignored by all the pompous neo-con morons who said it would COST $30 BILLION AND BE OVER IN MONTHS.

  • X Y & Z

    (Illegally) Freed Taliban commander says he’ll fight Americans again

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freed-taliban-commander-tells-relative-hell-fight-americans-again-n124451

    Obama just made every American less safe

    • MrStang

      yes eat it eat it.

      • X Y & Z

        Keep swallowing Obama’s lies.

        Happy swallowing!

        • MrStang

          what lies are you whining about?

          • X Y & Z

            Virtually everything that comes out of this incompetent Administration is a lie.

          • MrStang

            virtually everything! wow! is that 99% of everything or more like 87% of everything?

          • X Y & Z

            You’ll believe anything this President says.

            Remember this whopper of a lie?

            “If you like your health insurance, you can keep it”.

          • MrStang

            Is that part of 99% of everything or more like 87% of everything?

          • X Y & Z

            Everything about this President is a lie. That must be why all of Obama’s medical, school, and visa records are sealed.

            ‘The only people that don’t want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide.”

          • MrStang

            100%! All a lie! Of course! It must be why “all of Obama’s medical, school, and visa records are sealed.” Very useful information.

          • X Y & Z

            Sorry to burst your bubble. ALL of Obama’s medical, school, and visa records are sealed. He is the only President ever to do so.

            “The only people that don’t want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide.” (Barack Obama)

          • MrStang

            I was very concerned about this and did not know. Perhaps a congressional committee should be formed to investigate it.
            Are you frightened?

          • X Y & Z

            How is it that someone can flunk out of Occidental College, and then get accepted into Columbia University?

            Oh, I got it! Claim that you’re a foreign exchange student from Indonesia. That must be why Obama’s medical, school, and visa records are sealed.

          • MrStang

            Do you have a pre-existing illness?

          • X Y & Z

            Seriously dude, stop sniffing glue. You need to save what little brain matter you have left.

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — if that’s the case, then why are you repeating these “lies”?

  • OnPointComments

    “The United States has traded an American POW for five Taliban prisoners. Originally the deal included Joe Biden, but the Taliban said no.”
    –David Letterman

    • X Y & Z

      It looks like Letterman has jumped aboard Hillary’s (don’t ask me about Benghazi) 2016 bandwagon.

  • hennorama

    Regarding the age of the 5 released Taliban detainees, and whether they are “old” or “not old,” some information:

    They range in age from 43 to 47.

    The CIA World Factbook gives the following estimates:

    Afghanistan

    Life expectancy at birth:

    total population: 50.49 years
    country comparison to the world: 220 [of 223]
    male: 49.17 years
    female: 51.88 years (2014 est.)

    Median age

    total: 18.1 years
    male: 18.1 years
    female: 18.2 years (2014 est.)

    Age structure: [selected ranges]

    55-64 years: 2.5% (male 603,197/female 622,539)
    65 years and over: 2.5% (male 371,753/female 428,808) (2014 est.)

    ==========

    For comparison, figures for the United States

    Life expectancy at birth:

    total population: 79.56 years
    country comparison to the world: 42 [of 223]
    male: 77.11 years
    female: 81.94 years (2014 est.)

    Median age

    total: 37.6 years
    male: 36.3 years
    female: 39 years (2014 est.)

    Age structure: [selected ranges]

    55-64 years: 14.5% (male 19,309,019/female 20,720,284)
    65 years and over: 13.9% (male 20,304,644/female 25,874,360) (2014 est.)

    By U.S. standards, they are are fairly viewed as “not old.”

    By Afghan standards, they are fairly viewed as “old.”

    Sources:
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

    • OnPointComments

      How much did their life expectancy increase by being in Guantanamo instead of Afghanistan?

      • hennorama

        OPC — thank you for your response.

        Probably by quite a bit, but that is speculation.

        Just trying to add some perspective to the discussion, as many no doubt have looked at the transferees’ ages based on their own US experiences, and not based on Afghan experiences and reality.

      • HonestDebate1

        Suicidal martyrdom offsets it.

      • hennorama

        OPC — as is evident from the other comments thus far, some seem threatened by simple information.

        • HonestDebate1

          That is a great point. The simple fact is these guys are a threat. You seem so threatened that simple bit of information will be understood by the masses (and make the President look bad) that you resort to the mother of all absurd implications.

    • HonestDebate1

      So even though our own government deemed these guys as highly dangerous and likely to return to battle, they’re really just grumpy old men, gotcha’. Has it come to this? Is this really gonna be the meme now?

      Hitler was 51 in 1940.
      Stalin was 48 in1927
      Pol Pot was 45 in 1970

      Say the the deal was noble despite the price, swallow the Presidents line about the imminent danger for Bergdahl, make the point that we never leave a soldier behind, but don’t go down this road.

    • pete18

      Then obviously we shouldn’t have bothered killing Osama Bin Laden, he was five years past average “life expectancy” at 54. Nothing but a harmless old man.

      The euphemisms and rationalizations that are being used to try to save Obama’s reputation on this horrible deal are mind boggling.

      • hennorama

        pete18 — Thank you for your response.

        Your conclusions are bizarre, and have zero to do with my informational post, which is intended to give some perspective to the discussion. You have leapt far off the page, sir.

        In the same way as [Debates?NotHe] has done below, you have extrapolated far beyond reality. The Gregg Smith Response-O-Matic might spit out the following:

        [Your premise is whacked.]
        [Don't tell me what I think.]

        Thanks again for your response, despite its bizarre leaps.

        • pete18

          So you’re saying that it is unreasonable to see your post as having any intention of adding weight towards your side of the scale in his debate?

          • hennorama

            pete18 — TYFYR.

            Information has no “side.”

            Do you suppose that many/any had considered informaton about Afghan life expectancy when they concluded the transferees are either “not old” or “old”?

            Also, before you replied to my informational post, did you consider that OBL was not an Afghan, and was born in Saudi Arabia, where LE @ birth is on the order of 75 years?

            Thoughtful persons will consider all available information, rather than jumping to conclusions filtered through the lens of their own life experience, and based on media reports.

            Even worse, we see some foolishly quoting anonymous sources that are merely speculating. This adds nothing, and detracts and distracts from thoughtful, honest, relevant discussion.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • pete18

            But you have a side, do you not?
            So why would I not take information posted by someone who has a side in a heated debate to not be a reinforcement of their argument unless otherwise noted?

          • hennorama

            pete18 – TYFYR.

            Sorry to read that you ignored my questions.

            No, I don’t have a “side,” unless you mean these points:

            1. Bring our people home. The return of Sgt. Bergdahl to safety is a good thing.

            2. Don’t jump to conclusions. A good deal of what you read and hear will be and is speculative, and presented to garner the largest number of eyes and ears, and therefore, $$$. Often, the more outrageous and emotional the words and images are, the better. Truth and fact are irrelevant to the preceding.

            3. Evidence is not proof, so be wary. It’s human nature to want to know things absolutely, which often causes us to misinterpret mere evidence as proof.

            4. Families are off-limits. In their efforts to get their sons and daughters home, they are going to do whatever they see fit.

            As to you asking me to explain your actions … that would be rather presumptuous, wouldn’t you agree?. Perhaps you might take a crack at it instead. But first, please present what you believe is my “argument,” if you’d be so kind.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • pete18

            But in fact you do have a “side” on the major point of this debate, which
            you have already articulated and has nothing to do with the first three
            bromides that you just listed, or your forth point, which is valid and I’m
            in agreement with.

            Making every effort to “bring our people home,” is a noble idea that almost everyone agrees with but that is not what is being contested by the president’s critics. The repletion of this as the bottom line value of this trade is a straw man defense. What is being challenged is the COST PAID to get Sgt. Bergdahl back. Even the biggest acolyte of the president would have to admit that we would not “ bring our people home” at ANY cost. There are some payments that are too high and those of us critiquing the president and his defenders think that Obama has crossed the line with this exchange.

            Letting five Taliban who are highly desired by their comrades, have been listed by the Pentagon AND the Joint Task Force Guantanamo as a high risk to attack American as and their allies if released, who ran terror operations in
            Afghanistan and collaborated with Al Qaeda before and after 9-11 and are wanted by the United Nations for war crimes for deaths of thousands of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan, is a highly risky trade that we can not afford to take, despite where these guys might sit on an insurers’ actuary table.

            As I think you should know, the average life spans of a country have very little to do with how old people get or how fit they are at a given age. They reflect averages. In Afghanistan that number is low because of the incredibly high infant mortality rate, long running wars, lack of access to clean water, extremely cold winters, poverty, etc. It means that a large number of people die at a young age, but it does not mean that very few people live past forty-eight. However even if the average Afghan didn’t, it would still be no reason to let these guys go, since they could still be a risk for however many years they might be alive. That is not a good gamble.

            You have already stated that you think it was worth risking letting these guys go free to get back Sgt. Bergdahl back. That is your “side” in this
            debate and is the heart of what is being contested about the president’s
            actions. Your listing of the interesting but misleading stats regarding the Afghans and their lifespan is taking by me to be information in support of that argument. Particularly since it came in response to critics of this trade who were dismissing the “old” and “washed up” talking points being used to make these prisoners appear less threatening.

            Of course you may not have
            intended it that way, but to miss that it could be taken as such by most people in the context of the debate and your own position on the subject ( which you don’t seem to be aware of ) strikes me as a blind spot for you.

          • hennorama

            pete18 – TYFYR.

            Notably you have continued to ignore my earlier questions, and also have not presented what you believe is my “argument.”

            First, a point of clarification regarding your post. I infer that you meant “repetition” and not “repletion” in your 2nd graf. Please correct any misinference.

            Secondly, the 5 Guantanamo detainees have not been “released,” nor have they “gone free.” They have been transferred to Qatar, under as yet unspecified terms.

            Third, I did not write either “Make every effort to bring our people home” or “Pay ANY price” to do so. Again, you are by implication ascribing thoughts and ideas to me that I have not expressed, as is your habit.

            For the record, I wrote very simply, “Bring our people home. The return of Sgt. Bergdahl to safety is a good thing.”

            As a reminder, the following was the pertinent part of our previous exchange (condensed for relevance):

            [pete18]: However, for the sake of semantics, was it worth releasing five terrorists, who helped train and provide intelligence to members of al Qaeda, are wanted for war crimes and were listed by the Pentagon as a high risk of launching attacks against the U.S. and our allies if released?

            [hennorama]: Thanks for modifying your question. The answer is Yes.

            [pete18]: Does your answer mean that you don’t think they pose a danger or that you think it is still worthwhile to make this trade even though they do?

            [hennorama]: My prior answer means “Yes, returning Sgt. Bergdahl to safety was worth releasing five [alleged] terrorists, who [allegedly] helped train and provide intelligence to members of al Qaeda, [two of whom] are wanted for [possible] war crimes and were listed by the Pentagon as a [speculatively] high risk of launching attacks against the U.S. and our allies if released [and who have been 'out of the loop' for more than a decade, and potentially return to organizations no longer familiar to them, and which have changed greatly in their absence].”

            (For some unknown reason, you then injected Osama bin Laden into the discussion, which you have done again in this thread, despite a complete lack of relevance. This is unsurprising, as it is part of the conflation of events and ideas that has occurred throughout this so-called “debate.”)

            I responded to your OBL post, in part:

            [hennorama]: These individuals may in the future prove to be a danger and/or a threat to others, including Americans and our friends and allies. The opposite is also true. Of course there are risks involved in releasing them.

            In my view, All Things Considered, getting Sgt. Bergdahl back was worth the risks presented by these individuals.

            ==========

            Now, let’s examine your points, in sequence.

            You wrote, in part and condensed for relevance:

            “Letting five Taliban who are … listed … as a high risk … is a highly risky trade that we can not afford to take …”

            One must then inescapably infer that if this was the only available option, which has been reported to have been the case since it was proposed by the Taliban, and considered by the administration in consultation with members of Congress as early as December 2011, then your view is that we should have left Sgt. Bergdahl where he was, to remain in captivity indefinitely.

            Please correct any misinference.

            You also wrote, in part, and again condensed for relevance (and using your terminology in brackets, to make the quoted text more understandable).

            “In Afghanistan [average life span] is low … It means that a large number of people die at a young age, but it does not mean that very few people live past forty-eight.”

            The CIA World Factbook does not list all age ranges in equal increments in their “Age structure,” but as a reminder, this was included in my informational post:

            Age structure: [selected ranges]

            55-64 years: [Note: correct figure is 3.9%, not 2.5%] (male 603,197/female 622,539)

            65 years and over: 2.5% (male 371,753/female 428,808) (2014 est.)

            The population estimates for males above age 54 (603,197 + 371,753) indicate that males aged 55 and older make up only 3.0% of the Afghan population. Extrapolating from the “Population Pyramid” in the same source, we see that 450,000 to 500,000 males are in the 50 to 54 age range. Using the top of that range, we estimate that males aged 50 and older make up only 4.6% of the Afghan population..

            Extrapolating for females, we find those aged 50 and older make up only 4.9% of the Afghan population. In other words, about 9.5% of the current Afghan population is aged 50 or older. In contrast, about 33% of the current U.S. population is aged 50 or older.

            Sorry to burst your bubble.

            Finally, you wrote

            “Your listing of the interesting but misleading stats regarding the Afghans and their lifespan is taken by me to be information in support of that argument.”

            How is the information in my informational post “misleading”? It’s just information. In addition, my first sentence encompassed both points of view, as did my final statements, thusly (emphasis added):

            Regarding the age of the 5 released Taliban detainees, and whether they are “old” or “not old,” some information:

            AND

            By U.S. standards, they are are fairly viewed as “not old.”

            By Afghan standards, they are fairly viewed as “old.”

            Perhaps you might in future enhance your reading comprehension by only reading what is written, and not ascribing thoughts and ideas to me that I have not expressed.

            Sources:
            https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html
            https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/population/AF_popgraph%202014.bmp

            http://www.census.gov/population/age/data/files/2012/2012gender_table1.xlsx

          • pete18

            Yes, “repetition,” that typo, along with many others was
            corrected hours before your post.

            You may find comfort in the euphemism “transferred to Qatar”
            but it basically means that the Taliban Five are being released.

            The known terms of
            the agreement are that Qatar will only restrict their movement for one-year,
            after that all bets are off. Qatar is
            also a dubious host for this short period of oversight given that they also have a history of promoting and funding terrorism.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism

            “Third, I did not write either “Make every effort to bring our people home” or “PayANY price” to do so.”

            I didn’t say that you did, I just noted that this was the part of the equation that the president, and others promoting the value of “bringing our
            people home” as reasoning for this trade, leave out of their presentation. “We will leave no one behind,” is a sentimental bumper sticker phrase, just like “War is Not the Answer!”
            They are meaningless statements out of context. Sometimes war is the answer if peace is only won at a cost of enslavement to a dictator. The return of Sgt. Bergdahl back is not good if the cost of his return is too high. To claim it to be so and to think that is not supportive of all the ramifications of that exchange is not being honest.

            I’m not sure what distinction you were trying to show by posting
            the details of out conversation. It completely reinforces my assessment of your position, which is that you think it was worth letting the Taliban Five go to get back Sgt. Bergdahl. Like it or not that is a “side” in this debate.

            My use of OBL was directly related to our conversation and was
            in response to your use of modifiers like “alleged” and “allegedly” in
            describing the Taliban-Five. This seems to me to have been used as a tactic to try and mitigate their history or potential threat. Under the same set of criteria that would bring anyone to put “alleged” in front of the T-5s terrorist bylines, one could do the same for OBL. Yet he was still perceived as a threat by you and the president, even though his
            activities were technically unadjudicated and one could also ponder the “maybe,
            maybe not” possibilities of his future threatening activities.

            .
            “One must then inescapably infer that if this was the only
            available option, which has been reported to have been the case since it was proposed by the Taliban, and considered by the administration in consultation with members of Congress as early as December 2011, then your view is that we
            should have left Sgt. Bergdahl where he was, to remain in captivity
            indefinitely.”

            Yes, the length of the time of his incarceration or suffering, while devastating in human terms, wouldn’t make the release of the Taliban any
            less risky.

            As to the aging issue, you are correct that there is a low percentage of men over fifty-four in Afghanistan. I did not read all the details of your link the first time, I only responded to the general reality of “average lifespans” as related to the existence of older people in a society. However, that still doesn’t change the basic point. The low percentage of old
            people in Afghanistan doesn’t mean that they as a people all have a genetic predisposition
            for Progeria and the minute they hit 40 they get grey hair and wrinkles, their livers go and they start using canes. It means that it is a challenging country to live in because of the qualities I listed before, poverty, war, bad water,
            little access to health care, brutal winters, etc. The relative age of the
            Taliban Five is not a significant factor in determining whether they would be a future threat. Hamid Karzai is running the entire county at the age of 57, so it seems pretty likely that men from a privileged group like the Taliban could run some reasonably destructive operations in their mid to late forties. One year of activity for them would be too long.

            While I always do my best to not ascribe thoughts or motivations to other people and will continue to try and improve in that area, I do respond to what people write and draw reasonable inferences from what they say.

            You might also pay attention to inescapable meanings that most people would draw from your own comments based on their own weight and the context that you put them in.

          • hennorama

            pete18 — TYFYR.

            A few points:

            1. I have not made any argument or point regarding the age of the Taliban transferees, other than that they seemed to have been active when they were much younger. My informational post was presented as food for thought for those who have characterized them as either “old” or “not old,” as it seems that many have not considered the very basic aspect of very low LE at birth in Afghanistan. That is why I asked you, “Do you suppose that many/any had considered …” the low LE @ birth, and why I continued to point out your ignorance of that question and others.

            Please allow another question: before reading my post, had you personally known and considered the specifics of LE @ birth in Afghanistan?

            2. I presented information with a specific lead-in (“Regarding the age of the 5 released Taliban detainees, and whether they are “old” or “not old,” some information:”). If you or anyone else took it as something other than that, should I be held responsible for misinference? And if you or others did not understand that information is simply information, and perceived some intention, but did not ask for clarification, should I be responsible for such lack of curiosity and questioning?

            3. I disagree with your view that there is some conditionality to the goodness of Sgt. Bergdahl’s return to safety. One can argue over the “cost” of his freedom, but not whether or not it is good. This does not mean that there is no limit to what the US should be willing to do to recover our POWs/MIAs and other captives, but simply that his return to freedom is unequivocally good.

            4. As is the case regarding Afghan LE @ birth, I used the term “alleged” and similar to point out aspects that some have not considered. In my view, it is important to not assume that what is reported, alleged, etc., is unvarnished truth and/or factually accurate. Again, this does not mean that I necessarily disbelieve the specific allegations about the transferees, just that there is some level of uncertainty. What is interesting is that many who disbelieve much of what is put forth by this and other administrations seem completely comfortable with the labels said administrations put on these men.

            5. Repeating the pertinent parts of our prior exchanges was to point out that I both acknowledged that there are risks associated with this deal, and also that I made no argument regarding the age of the transferees.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • HonestDebate1

            You’re funny!

      • ExcellentNews

        You are right – that was Bush secret strategy for getting Osama. Safely park him with a wink-wink-nod-nod in Pakistan to keep the Saudi Royal family happy, then wait for the inexorable law of statistics. Mission accomplished !!!!

    • HonestDebate1

      In an effort to increase understanding [IAETIU], one senses a need to add some facts to the discourse. On the same day Mr. Bergdahl went missing (probably just relieving his dessert [PJRHD]), Yemenia flight 626 crashed due to pilot error. Coincidence? One thinks not, with the added caveat [AC], one is not a licensed plumber so one could not possibly say.

      Sources:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl#Circumstances_of_Bergdahl.27s_disappearance
      http://www.airsafe.com/plane-crash/yemenia-airlines-flight-626-airbus-a310-comoros-islands.htm
      http://www.yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=3&SubID=1245
      http://www.tests.com/Hawaii-Plumbing-License-Exam

      It was the summer solstice [SS] just 9 days earlier and the hottest day of the year in nearby Jalalabad was to come 8 days later.

      Source:
      http://www.yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=3&SubID=1245

      The Paktika province has a population of 413,800 (not counting the camels).

      Source:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paktika_Province
      Background:
      http://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/camel

      The old men to whom we traded for our soldier were named as follows:

      Abdul Haq Wasiq
      Mullah Norullah Noori
      Mullah Mohammad Fazi
      Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa
      Mohammad Nabi Omari

      Source:
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/look-at-five-taliban-commanders-set-free-in-prisoner-exchange/

      That’s three Mullahs and a Mohammad [TMAAM (and one Mullah Mohammad {OMM})]. Four out of five translates to 80%.

      Source:
      http://www.online-calculator.com

      One also notes three of the five (60%) have names which end in “i” like Ghandi, who was a peaceful man.

      Source:
      http://www.history.com/topics/mahatma-gandhi

      One hopes that by focusing on the facts we can come to a better understanding of events put in proper perspective. I have not cited anything which is not a fact. You are welcome for the information [YAWFTI] and TYFYR.

      One is told it’s okay to have more fun than a barrel of monkeys but I couldn’t possibly say. I am not a cooper.

      TYAFYR

      • pete18

        Funny stuff.

        • HonestDebate1

          Thanks for saying so, I’m glad you liked it. I get a kick out of myself sometimes.

  • OnPointComments

    If you want to see an example of out-of-control government union demands, take a look at what the union wants for the employees at the new $23.5 million NOAA National Water Center on the University of Alabama campus.

    The union wants each of the 50 employees to get a raise, a private office with expensive office furniture from the Kathy Ireland Southampton Onyx Collection, a 51″ plasma smart TV with cable in each office, travertine tiles in the common areas, 75% UA tuition discount, free access to all UA facilities, among other demands.

    Other people’s money spends easily, doesn’t it?
    http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/collective-bargaining-agreement-proposals.pdf

  • HonestDebate1

    “The official, who requested anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the press, speculated that a cash ransom was paid to the Haqqani Network to get the group to free the prisoner.”

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/experts-say-cash-ransom-may-have-been-paid-for-bergdahl/

    Obama is funding Hamas. who’s to say he wouldn’t fund Haqqani?

    • TFRX

      FreeBeacon is a bunch of right=wing hacks who can’t even cut it on Fox News. No wonder you believe anything that an anonymous source speculates by them.

      Your polishing of this by sounding polite fools nobody.

      • HonestDebate1

        It’s not the first source to allege this, we’ll see. You do agree Obama is funding the terrorist organization Hamas, right? Why would this be a stretch?

      • hennorama

        TFRX — “who’s to say” this “source” wouldn’t publish every rumor and unconfirmed tidbit they can dig up, all from anonymous sources that speculate on and on and on ….

        Of course [Debates?NotHe] would use and promote such a worthless “source,” yanno, because it’s “Honest.”

  • MrStang

    “War Is A Racket” – Smedley Butler (US MArine, 2 time Medal of Honor winner, anti-fascist)

    War is expensive:
    snip>”Coming up on the fifth anniversary of the invasion, a Nobel laureate now estimates that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are costing America more than $3 trillion.
    That estimate from Noble Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz also serves as the title of his new book, “The Three Trillion Dollar War,” which hits store shelves Friday.

    The book, co-authored with Harvard University professor Linda Bilmes, builds on previous research that was published in January 2006. The two argued then and now that the cost to America of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is wildly underestimated.

    When other factors are added – such as interest on debt, future borrowing for war expenses, the cost of a continued military presence in Iraq and lifetime health-care and counseling for veterans – they think that the wars’ costs range from $5 trillion to $7 trillion.”>snip

    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1be_1204236442#5bZKRmWbJ5VchyK1.99

  • HonestDebate1
  • Greg White

    At the conclusions of yesterday’s excellent program, Tom and Margaret Brennan invoked “climate refugees” as a security reason to look at climate change.

    It’s a real problematic hook to argue for attention to climate mitigation and adaptation. Very controversial. I’ve written about it: http://global.oup.com/academic/product/climate-change-and-migration-9780199794836;jsessionid=CAD6EA0848A23A5F911A87529C17BB60?cc=us&lang=en&amp;

    Many others have, too.

    I think it would merit a show in its own right. If not, Tom and his guests would be better served not to invoke refugees as a reason to push for attention to climate change. It can redound in very complicated ways.

    Thank you,

    Greg

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    • hennorama

      Please flag the spambot post above.

      • ExcellentNews

        That’s not spam! This is the Republican plan for reviving the economy….

        • TFRX

          But Polina didn’t begin her amazing opportuniy with “First, privatize social security.”

  • tbphkm33

    Constitutional Convention:

    So, this topic has been turning in my head for the last week – if a new Constitutional Convention was called to rewrite the U.S. Constitution, what would you, a) keep, b) change, or c) add. Also, any structural elements to enable the document to stand the test of time differently, or better, than the current constitution.

    Thought I give you guys something to ponder this weekend.

    • JGC

      Is it safe to say the 3rd Amendment is fairly obsolete? “No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered…” in the home of the owner, etc,…Third Amendment claims seem to only pop up once in a generation or so, and seem to be typically dismissed. Still, if people claim unlimited 2nd Amendment rights on the basis of wanting to perpetually be able to raise a militia, could I not say they view themselves essentially as soldiers, and therefore should get off my lawn? This could work in a state that permitted open carry laws, and I could for example, as the owner of Chipotle or Starbucks refuse to quarter them in my establishment…I think I will need RWB’s input on this idea, to see if he can “shoot any holes” in my theory, so to speak.

      • tbphkm33

        Hmm, that is a really interesting one.

    • JGC

      I also think the Citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment could use a little tune up. Unless at least one of the parents is a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth within U.S. territory, citizenship should not be conferred upon that child. I bet Ted Cruz wishes Canada had a similar law; then he wouldn’t have to spend so much time trying to figure out how to renounce his Canadian citizenship.

    • TFRX

      Let’s just get in the wayback machine and see what the right wanted to do with a ConstConv when an (R) was in the White House, compared to now.

      A ConstConv idea would be for amusement purposes only. Remember the right are the jagoffs who wanted a flag-burning amendment. Or at least let that blow up into “something we have to talk about” in order to take up the oxygen in the press corps’ room.

  • X Y & Z

    One Million People Dropped Out Of Labor Force In April: Participation Rate
    Plummets To Lowest Since 1978

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-02/one-million-people-dropped-out-labor-force-april-participation-rate-plummets-lowest-

    The Obama Jobs Doctrine:
    Keep Americans unemployed so long that they stop looking for work, and the unemployment rate goes down.

    • Bill O’Brien

      the troll beat never ends, huh?….do you actually think that you’ll persuade anyone with your drivel, or are you just trying to prevent an honest discussion?

      • X Y & Z

        Don’t blame me because you ignorantly support an incompetent President whose failed economic policies are financially ruining America.

        Credit that to your own stupidity.

    • hennorama

      X Y & Z — you wrote this, in another thread below:

      X Y & Z –> MrStang • 12 hours ago

      Virtually everything that comes out of this incompetent Administration is a lie.

      Your source above derived its claim using Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics reports, from (according to you) “this incompetent Administration,” meaning that by your “thinking,” you have written multiple lies.

      Please stop.

  • hennorama

    Has Bill O’Reilly, and others who have made remarks about Robert Bergdahl’s appearance, said that this guy “looks like a Muslim,” too?

    http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/thumbnails/i/060414/640/360/060414_hannity_platoon_640.jpg

    For those that don’t know, this is an image of Sgt. Justin Gerleve, Sgt. Bergdahl’s former platoon leader, from a June 4, 2014 appearance on Fox News Channel.

    • HonestDebate1

      What a bizarre comment.

    • TFRX

      I dunno, nobody suckling the right wing welfare teat has said “He looks French” yet.

  • HonestDebate1

    What will the Democrat field look like in 2016? Will Hillary get coronated without a serious challenge? What about Biden? Is Elizabeth Warren really an option? Will there be a moderate Democrat, maybe Manchin, running. People forget how absolutely nasty the circular firing squad got in 2008, especially between Hillary and Obama. No one is nastier of more well versed in the politics of personal destruction than the Clintons. That is quite clear. What they did not expect is that Obama was just as nasty but a whole lot more shameless. He was willing to say anything.

    Hillary was nasty enough to impose national health care but not shameless enough to say a mandate for compliance was not required. Obama just read her the riot act for proposing a mandate, knowing he would have one. Shameless.

    Hillary knew we couldn’t close Gitmo. So did Obama, i mean duh! He swore he would. Shameless.

    He was shameless enough to say insurance premiums would go down, that you could keep your plan and your doctor. “Hey, whatever is takes, the press won’t challenge me”.

    He had no problem promising to fix the VA, saying immigration would be a priority, being against gay marriage, or promising to rescind the Bush tax cuts. He knew he wouldn’t. Shameless.

    He even swore it was the worst economy ever but it wasn’t until he made it so. Then he said he didn’t realize it was as bad as he swore it was. Shameless.

    What a disaster this has been.

    • HonestDebate1

      More:

      On May 15, 2008 President Bush made a speech to the Israeli Knesset. Here is Senator Obama’s statement regarding that speech:

      “It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 6Oth anniversary of Israel’s independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel.

      “Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power — including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy — to pressure countries like Iran and Syria.

      “George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president’s extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel.”

      How’s that Iran/Syria thing working out? Was Bush right or wrong about Obama’s willingness to negotiate with terrorist? Obama will say anything. Shameless.

      • TFRX

        “Shameless” is your tut-tutting anything Obama does. Go away, troll. Get off your fainting couch

  • HonestDebate1

    .

    • TFRX

      Keep JAQing off, bub.

    • JONBOSTON

      We have the most shameful, deceitful, lying president in modern American history as Commander-in-chief. I’m 62 years old and never thought I’d live to see the day when ,during a time of war , with our military still engaged in fighting the enemy, a president of the US would release 5 of the most ruthless barbaric terrorists in the world for an Army deserter. Rather than defend his actions, Obama should apologize to our military and to their families, our allies, and the American people for his unspeakable dereliction of duty. If Obama had any honor, any love of country and any sense of what has made this country exceptional, he would resign from office and take his ilk with him.

      • HonestDebate1

        I agree with you but it’s worse than that. He is enabled by a gaggle of numb nuts who will defend anything he does. Look at these comments!

  • TFRX

    Now it appears that Bergdahl’s family are getting death threats.

    All you right-wing nutjobs who can’t stand anything the president does because he’s a Democrat? Congratulations! Mission accomplished!

    • tbphkm33

      CRAZY. “Righ-wing” is a dirty word. We don’t see the left-wing embracing such extremism.

      Underscores my contention that the U.S. right-wing has more in common with the Taliban and Al Qaeda than mainstream U.S. society.

      • HonestDebate1

        Yea yea, whatever.

        Can we rule out the possibility flight 370 landed safely somewhere? Forget about why or if it will ever fly again. It’s incredible there was no debris found. I don’t think we can rule it out .

    • tbphkm33

      My sympathies for the Bergdahl family…

      …for five long years, tormented by the Taliban, the conservative force of Afghan society, as their son was held a prisoner of war

      … only for their son to be released and the family to be tormented anew by the Republicans, the conservative force of U.S. society, as the soulless hold the family prisoner for cheap political shots

      Republican conservatism is an evil that must be overcome before it gets out of hand, like its counterpart conservatism in Islamic countries has already gotten out of hand.

    • HonestDebate1

      Why would anyone not like Obama just because he;s a democrat? That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard.

      • TFRX

        A southern white man who hasn’t met a person who doesn’t like President Obama because President Obama is a black Democrat?

        Go away, you jackhole. What are you , some hermit?

    • hennorama

      TFRX — there are numerous reports that the FBI is investigating these and other threats, some of which caused the organizers of a “Welcome Home” celebration in Hailey, Idaho (Sgt. Bergdahl’s hometown) to cancel, due to security concerns.

      What a sorry fate of Astaires.

  • TFRX

    Did any of the GOP sens stay for the classified meeting about Bergdahl before running to the arms of Foxfukkers for knobslobbering and stiffening attempts?

    A classified meeting on Bergdahl was there for the taking by these true American heroes. Saxby Chambliss skipped it for Fox News. John McCain went, and after asking one abruptly left, to hold a press
    conference

    How long before these whiny bitches come onto TV and say “we’re not getting enough information”?

    About twelve hours, I’d say.

  • GregAbdul

    I hope Chris McDaniels wins. I am a progressive African American Muslim. Clearly the tape you have of McDaniels represents the old south and the venomous hate of anyone not white and Christian. As our country browns, you get these white southerners fighting harder and harder to go backwards. It’s the same white “status anxiety” that fueled Bull Conor and the people who fought MLK. Cochran wants democrats to help him against McDaniels, but he hates Obama just the same. I say the Republicans deserve McDaniels. They are in love with their slave holding past and the man that best represents that is the challenger.

    • JONBOSTON

      You can have your opinions but not your facts. Do you even know that Southern Democrats comprised the “old south” , Bull Connors, the Ku Klux Klan , and led congressional opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act and desegregation? Do you realize that none of the progress made on civil rights would not have been accomplished without Republican support and leadership?
      Here are some facts you evidently are unaware of:
      From 1840-1860 , the Democrat party had six party platforms that supported slavery.
      From 1800-1861, seven Democrat presidents owned slaves.
      From 1868-1948, twenty Democrat Party platforms either supported segregation outright or were silent on the subject.
      Jim Crow laws were passed enthusiastically by Democrat politicians.
      The Ku Klux Klan was once referred to noted Columbia historian Eric Foner as the “military force serving the interests of the Democratic party”.
      Democrats opposed the 13th, 14th , and 15th Amendments to the Constitution. The 13th banned slavery. The 14th overturned Dred Scott and the 15th gave blacks the right to vote.
      Do you even know that three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights bill in the uS House came from Democrats, or that 80% of the “nay” vote in the Senate came from Democrats? Do you even know that the opposition included Democrat Senate leader Robert Byrd of W. Va ( a former Ku Klan Klan leader) and Tenn. Senator Albert Gore Sr, father of VP Al Gore? Or that Arkansas Democrat Sen. JW Fulbright, a mentor to Bill Clinton , was an avowed segregationist and also opposed the Civil Rights Bill?

      Lastly , you mention Bull Connors, the Birmingham Alabama Public Safety Commissioner. Do you even know that Connors was both a member of the Democratic National Committee and the Ku Klux Klan?

      Today’s Democrat party are the true racists that prey upon the ignorance and desperation of many minorities with their failed programs and policies in order to advance their political aims. And based on comments like yours , Democrats are evidently succeeding. Black Americans give Obama 97% of their vote despite his advancing programs that have failed minorities and deepened their poverty , hopelessness , and despair.

      • GregAbdul

        do you know what a canard is? In America, I can walk into a polling place any day of the week and change my party affiliation and never change my warped views about black people. That’s what Strom Thurmond did. That is what happened to the old South. They were Democrats when Republicans were for blacks and they they became Republicans when Democrats under LBJ decided to be for blacks. Please drop the prejudice. That was my point. You think I don’t know American history…..why? because I clearly signal I am not white, so you assume you know history and I don’t? I KNOW whites in America are afraid of the change that is coming,. You loathe the idea of having a non white leader like Obama. The facts were cited in the radio report by experts. They said, not me, whites have a visceral reaction against the change that’s coming ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS POINTED OUT TO THEM. Please don’t give me this nonsense about how the racist in the south were Democrats. They were not racist because of their party affiliation. They were racist because of white American southern culture, where you fight like crazy, no matter the costs, to keep blacks and any non white Christians away from any respectability or power in America. Please quit assuming blacks are dumb or that Muslims are not American. The white south is a bastion of racism and they have changed parties en masse just to hold on to the same old hate. If the Republicans tomorrow said they were for reparations for black people, overnight the South would join the tea party. Face your fear and your hate please and quit making dumb arguments. This country is less white and Christian everyday. Please don’t hate me or be angry at me because of the coming change. Making up facts and clinging to made-up false things won’t help either. We are ONE country. We need to work together to build a future America this is strong and free….and the only way we do that is if you get over the fact that our America in the future will not be so white or Christian anymore. Don’t burn down the house because you can’t stand your new landlords.

        • HonestDebate1

          That’s sick.

  • X Y & Z

    Susan Rice Admits U.S. Giving Arms to Al-Qaeda in Syria

    http://www.infowars.com/susan-rice-admits-u-s-giving-arms-to-al-qaeda-in-syria/

  • HonestDebate1

    Dr. Charles Krauthammer essentially endorsed President Obama’s trade for Bergdahl. Andrew McCarthy begs to differ. It’s a high-minded and civil discussion that I suspect will be answered by the good doctor. I’m with McCarthy on this one.

    The reservoirs of respect I have for Charles Krauthammer overflow. I also appreciate his concession that he would not rebuke those who oppose the Bergdahl-Taliban swap that he endorses — it is, he says, a close call. It is not my purpose to rebuke him, either. But I don’t think it is a close call. I think it was reckless dereliction of duty on the part of the commander-in-chief.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/379808/dr-k-wrong-though-sincere-andrew-c-mccarthy

    • JONBOSTON

      I think the world of Dr Krauthammer but on this I disagree with him. But at least his support is based on principal and what he believes is best for the country . For Obama , I suspect it’s all about domestic politics. Just shameful.

  • X Y & Z
  • pete18

    “Freed Taliban Commander Tells Relative He’ll Fight Americans Again”

    Nothing to see here, just the right wing making stuff up to make Obama look bad. Move along.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freed-taliban-commander-tells-relative-hell-fight-americans-again-n124451

    • hennorama

      pete18 — FTA (emphasis added):

      PESHAWAR, Pakistan – One of the five Taliban leaders freed from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s release has pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan, according to a fellow militant and a relative.

      “After arriving in Qatar, Noorullah Noori kept insisting he would go to Afghanistan and fight American forces there,” a Taliban commander told NBC News via telephone from Afghanistan.

      Do you believe “a Taliban commander”? If so, why?

      Please quote the passage(s) in the article in which said “relative” indicates the validity of the headline that you quoted, “Freed Taliban Commander Tells Relative He’ll Fight Americans Again.”

      Unless of course, this “relative” is also the same “Taliban commander” quoted above.

  • JGC
  • X Y & Z

    37.2%: Percentage Not in Labor Force Remains at 36-Year High

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/372-percentage-not-labor-force-remains-36-year-high

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      Is this implying the unemployed are higher than they’re been in 36 years?

    • hennorama

      X Y & Z — since you claim that “Virtually everything that comes out of this incompetent Administration is a lie,” and your treasured source used reports from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is part of “this incompetent Administration,” why are you repeating these “lies”?

  • NrthOfTheBorder

    It’s very depressing to read these comments. A country woefully divided with ceaseless yell and bark.

    So much anger, and almost nothing that would let us advance on the chaos and the dark.

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      Melancholy on a forlorn strand, a lone surfer treads upon the beach.

      He looks around for fellowship, “Hark! Beseech!” But all he finds are ostrich butts aloft, heads embedded squarely in the sand, hiding at once from chaos and from shark.

    • JONBOSTON

      We have “the Great Divider” Obama to thank. It’s sickening when you think of all the parties, groups , organizations, businesses, citizens, etc. he’s attacked in just 5 1/2 years in office.

      • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

        YOU MISSED NrthOfTheBorder’s entire point, which was so eloquently articulated.

        Partisan Bickering gets us NOWHERE! You’re being manipulated.

        • JONBOSTON

          I missed nothing and happen to agree with the comments. I just commented that much of this can be blamed on Obama who sets the tone of discourse for the nation.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            When he was elected there was a Republican congress.

            Go back to school…

          • JONBOSTON

            answer this –do you believe the president of the US should set the moral tone of the nation? And if so , do you feel Obama deserves any blame.
            PS–please don’t insult my intelligence with the typical Obama sycophant response that Republicans are to blame and that McConnell wanted to deny Obama a second term. As if Democrats didn’t want to defeat George Bush and deny him a second term.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            NO, the president should not, CAN NOT set the moral tone of the nation. It’s beyond his purview since morality is an individual and egoistic framework as much as a social one. The civic and governmental framework is that of law, and law jumped ship from philosophy about ten generations ago!

            I do think he has an obligation to act MORALLY, but according to HIS moral standards, not society’s.

            Although there are checks and balances there, as well. Society would ideally only elect someone whose moral and ethical standards it approves of.

            But set the tone for the nation morally?

            That is a stretch. To me, that means someone is fixated too much on government, or has no other role models than the president.

            BTW – Just in the interest of full disclosure, I am a Left Libertarian. (Pretty far from being a Democrat.)

          • JONBOSTON

            I don’t care what you label yourself except what is a left libertarian. That’s a new one for me.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

            Mostly, we’re into individual liberties (rights), cooperative corporations, binary and ecological economics, and any other non-partisan solution that doesn’t bankrupt the nation.

          • JGC

            Bush should have been denied a first term, which he would have been, except for the shameless interference of the Supreme Court in the Florida recount.

          • NrthOfTheBorder

            JonBos – “blamed” on Obama? But…but, what about those who agree with him..that his tone is usually right on?

            If you choose to disagree with him, say so, say why, and please, use persuasive language to convince us of YOUR point of view.

            I would love to hear it – but what you say has to be more thoughtful for me —and others— to consider seriously.

        • HonestDebate1

          What is the proper response by a reasonable man who sees our great country assaulted by left-wing extremism?

      • NrthOfTheBorder

        JonBos. I tried to read your comments but found them entirely predictable, tiresome — and frankly, part of the problem.

    • TFRX

      If bipartisanship is great, let’s have the right do some of it.

      The left has done more than their share since Election Day 2008.

      • NrthOfTheBorder

        Agreed. The art of compromise seems to have disappeared from our national discourse.

        My comment however is aimed more at what I feel is an increasing inability to talk to one another in a manner that is both civil and constructive.

        Let’s dispense with all “Right” and “Left” characterizations from the get-go. I am myself “Left” is some regards, but “Right” in others – and I’m sure many of us are the same.

        Please, everyone, add something informative, informed and interesting to the conversation. Above all, make sure it is your OWN opinion and not a parroting of what we’ve heard everywhere everyday. It has gotten us nowhere.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    Continuing to vote, expecting different results. Isn’t that insanity?

  • X Y & Z

    The Death And Decay Of Detroit, As Seen From The Streets

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-07/death-and-decay-detroit-real-time-seen-streets

    Check out the STUNNING, before and after pictures as to how Detroit has rotted away since Obama’s ‘Hope and Change’ came to Detroit in 2009.

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      I am very grateful you posted this.

      Since it gives me the opportunity to eviscerate you.

      Detroit had bankruptcy proceedings that had been brewing for DECADES… DECADES!

      Since the dawn of the automotive industry Detroit’s problems have been brewing.

      But in the last three years, there has been a massive shift toward change.

      Federal stimulus money, economic development grants, Warren Buffet has provided grant money, Chase Bank, The state of Michigan, even neighboring cities have provided stimulus money to help Detroit out of bankruptcy.

      Those funds are being allocated AS WE SPEAK.

      Whole Foods moved into downtown Detroit LAST YEAR.

      So, when you don’t have any idea what you are talking about, STFU or I will spend a solid hour explaining why you should not be permitted on the internet without supervision by a legal guardian.

      • X Y & Z

        Stick to doing what you know best, which is drooling over your Bit-coins.

        • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

          Umm… It has been for about a decade. Is that the best you’ve got???

          • X Y & Z

            Who wouldn’t want to live in a bankrupt, crime-infested city, with collapsing housing prices, and lousy schools, like Detroit.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            You are embarrassing yourself.

            Detroit is a bastion of art and young people are migrating TO Detroit at an alarming rate. A new, upscale food-art restaurant or underground supper club opens once a month in Detroit. There are neighborhood watch groups made up entirely of Parkour practitioners, and there are numerous blight removal projects, urban farming and permaculture projects, real estate development projects. The art scene alone is set to be the biggest in the nation in three years, because the kids know Detroit is where the action and cheap housing are!

          • X Y & Z

            Detroit’s population was over 1.8 million in 1950. What is it now, 700,000 if that?

            Apparently 1.1 million ex-Detroit citizens didn’t view Detroit as being the Garden of Eden that you seem to think it is.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Apparently, you are incapable of reading comprehension.

            I never said it was the garden of eden.

            Nor did I say the population hasn’t dwindled.

            What I AM saying IS – over the last three years and into the next several years, a sea change is taking place, one that is going to surprise a great many people in a few years time when Detroit is recognized as the number one art city in the world.

          • X Y & Z

            “Detroit is recognized as the number one art city in the world” (LOL!)

            Thanks for the laugh.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            You’re welcome!

          • hennorama

            Alchemical Reaction — the drone-bot with which you are engaged is immune to logic, reason, and embarrassment.

            Best of luck in your merry discourse.

          • X Y & Z

            Are you going to write another blog about how “inspiring” it was for you when Obama illegally traded five Taliban terrorists for the deserter Bergdahl?

            I could use a good laugh.

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — your comment demonstrates your lack of ability to focus on the topic at hand (your being a drone-bot that is immune to logic, reason, and embarrassment), as well as a complete lack of any point that is in any way related to anything I have ever written.

            Other than that, your comment is logical, reasoned, and not at all embarrassing.

          • X Y & Z

            Are you going to post some blogs extolling the virtues of 6th century Sharia Law ?

            Those were pretty hysterical as well.

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — yeah, that never happened either, except in your “mind,” of course.

          • X Y & Z

            I remember, but you’d rather chicken out than take ownership for something you posted.

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — you are absolutely wrong.

            “Take ownership for something you posted,” and quote me “extolling the virtues of 6th century Sharia Law.”

            Assuming you understand the preceding words, of course.

          • X Y & Z

            Deny, deny, deny.

            Just as you refuse to acknowledge the fact that one million Americans dropped out of the labor force in April.

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — got it. You are unable to quote anything that you “remember,” so you try to change the subject.

            Again.

            That you cannot accept a direct challenge to your own words, a direct challenge that uses your own words, says more about you and your lack of personal ethics than anything anyone could write.

            Again, I challenge you to:

            “Take ownership for something you posted,” and quote me “extolling the virtues of 6th century Sharia Law.”

            Assuming you understand the preceding words, of course.

          • X Y & Z

            “Ethics”? What do you know about ethics?

            You condone Obama’s illegal drone strikes which have killed over 2,400 people, including hundreds of innocent civilians.

            What’s ethical about Obama’s illegal drone strikes?

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — your comment is unresponsive, deflective, and cowardly.

            Consider the twice-issued challenge above hereby renewed.

          • X Y & Z

            “Cowardly”?

            That’s a good way of describing the 2009 missile strike on Yemen that Obama ordered which ended up killing 5 pregnant women.

            Are you proud of yourself for so rabidly supporting a President who ordered a missile strike that ended up killing 5 pregnant women?

            http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — again, your comment is unresponsive, deflective, and cowardly.

            Via your comments, you continue to exhibit evidence that you are merely a drone-bot, and immune to logic, reason, and embarrassment. In addition, you continue to demonstrate your lack of ability to focus on the topic at hand, and a lack of personal ethics.

            Your comments are evidence of cowardice. Not proof of course, but evidence.

            Consider the thrice-issued challenge above hereby renewed.

          • X Y & Z

            You haven’t answered a single question of mine.

            Of course that would mean that you would have to admit that Obama’s drone strikes are illegal, that Obama has violated international laws, and committed war crimes.

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — unresponsive, deflective, and cowardly, again. Well done, as usual.

            Your comments are filled with false and invalid premises, as usual, obviating response.

            The challenge above is again hereby renewed, and has now been issued five times.

            Put up or shut up.

          • X Y & Z

            As I noted earlier, you have refused to answer a single question of mine.

            It’s quite obvious that the only reason why you engage in this forum, is to defend the incompetent Obama Administration, which you so rabidly support.

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — Your comment is unresponsive, deflective, and cowardly.

            Again.

            Your comment is filled with false and invalid premises.

            Again.

            It is clear that you are challenged, and unable to respond to challenges.

            Expect no further engagement.

            Drone on, cowardly drone-bot.

          • X Y & Z

            Keep your shameless denials coming.
            You’ve found your true niche in life, that along with providing excuses your war criminal President, that you mindlessly shill for.

          • X Y & Z

            Detroit is a bankrupt, drug infested, burned out shell of a city, dominated by crime and inept Democrat control.
            Keep defending bankrupt, third-world Detroit

            I enjoy watching you make an imbecile of yourself.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            In all sincerity, your lack of intelligence is appalling.

          • X Y & Z

            I’m smart enough not to have gotten conned into the Bit-coin scam like you did.

          • X Y & Z

            Detroit has only gotten ‘progressively’ worse under Obama.

            Just because you choose to ignore to ignore reality, does not negate the truth on the ground.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            I grant you Detroit has gotten progressively worse under Obama, BUT Detroit will also have a completely new and fresh “scene” and new economy by the time Obama leaves office.

            But all of this discussion of Obama is pointless. Detroit’s problems existed before Obama was even born! And it took a coalition of business and government to address Detroit’s issues.

            You want to blame Obama for something, pick something for which he’s actually responsible. There are plenty of things that are Obama’s fault. Detroit just isn’t one of them. And you are a legitimate fruit cake for thinking he is.

          • JS

            You have been on these forums long enough to know XYZ has no credibility.

          • X Y & Z

            Woo Hoo, 2,400 terrorist killed! (JS)

            Do you remember how you posted that on 6-7-14 JS, then you tried to remove it?

            You’re the one with no credibility.

          • JS

            So, did I remove it, or try to remove it?

            Posting and then deciding against it is not a credibility issue unless I denied it or posted an opposite opinion, both of which I have not done.

            Do you have any original thoughts or is it all cut and paste anti-Obama screed?

            Just wondering if you were this vociferous during the last administration?

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    Every economic problem in the world could be solved by mass adoption of the “cooperative” corporate model wherein the employees ARE the owners of the company.

    • Coastghost

      Money: in worlds of two dimensions, the cure for every ill and the solution to every problem.
      The efficacy of money in curing ills and solving problems in two-dimensional circumstances owes to the perfectly realized forms of currency and coin in obverse and reverse.

      • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

        Nicely stated.

  • GregAbdul

    I need to stop, but Mr. Ashbrook we have an old country saying: when you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one who hollers that means it’s the one you hit. We have a surge of righties coming here and you hit a nerve. You really really need to go into the details of the thinking that says, your demographic group won’t run things and then the same people get anxious and more resolute to fight the inevitable change. This the heart of the fight that is splitting our nation.

    • HonestDebate1

      Oh please, no one cares about demographics. Obama is a disaster for all of us.

      • GregAbdul

        you should change your screen name because you are NOT being honest.

        • HonestDebate1

          What i wrote is the honest truth.

          • GregAbdul

            this President is center left. Just like FDR and JFK. I talked about the changing demographics of America and with no prompting, you started bashing Obama. Okay. we can have a quick talk if you wish. You tell me, what’s the single worse thing Obama’s done that you are here obsessing over him as if he is the worse thing that is happening to this country?

          • HonestDebate1

            Just one? I’ll have to broaden it. He has fundamentally transformed America economically, socially, militarily, domestically and on the world stage.

          • GregAbdul

            you’ll “have to broaden it,” because you have no specifics. We on the left have to work on it, but we have to get you to face your racism. You hate MLK? Obama is our modern MLK. So don’t pretend that if a white man had not shot him to death, you would love MLK, while you sit here going on and on about Obama. MLK was the most powerful black man in America back then, whites hated him and eventually killed him. Coincidentally, Obama is the most powerful man in America TODAY and you can’t stand him…just like in the old days white racists could not stand MLK. Obama is a lame duck president. He has ended two wars and we have a record for consecutive months of job creation. American Muslims love America. Black Americans love America. There is pathology on the left, but is is NOT Obama. He wasted five years trying to do what conservatives wanted and then he found they were all like you: all you want is for the President of the United States of America to fail, as if a failing president will benefit you. It’s only racism that causes you to not see that if the President fails, ALL OF AMERICA suffers.

          • HonestDebate1

            I broadened it because I have way too many specifics.

            The rest of your comment is sick. Get over it.

          • GregAbdul

            racism is sick. please stop it. we will have women presidents and latino presidents and probably even asian presidents. this country is less white and christian every day. don’t hate the change…embrace it.

          • HonestDebate1

            I’m not the one judging Obama by the color of skin, that would be you. If you want a few specifics then scroll down a page or two, or simply measure the political landscape soberly. If you just want to resort to the shallow and bitter exercise of attempting to convince me I’m a racist then go back to the playground, not interested. We have big problems here and they have nothing to do with skin color. This is awful.

          • GregAbdul

            Hone, be honest please. America has not “fundamentally changed. you are here making up things.” We have been on the same path for the the last 30 years. Reagan started us on this path in 1980. Our middle class has been shrinking under deregulation and globalization. Obama has only pushed through universal healthcare. You mean to tell me you hate Obama because he has made it a law that poor people get to see a doctor? You are into denial. You are here, ranting how you hate Obama when the only change he has made is medicine for poor people? And when I ask you, you can’t answer. Hone, black people love white America. You loathe us, but we love you. American whites are loved around the world. Your hate is irrational. Please let it go. Please don’t let MLK’s blood be spilt and you go on fighting against what he stood for. Obama is our modern MLK. Don’t pretend you are not prejudiced, but you don’t know why, but you just can’t stand that black guy at the white house. He loves America and he protects you as our commander and chief. I don’t need you to admit to me. I need you to quit hating Obama. If you are not super rich, he is trying to increase your worth and standing in the US. He works and lives for all Americans and he is not a racist. Please remember MLK and stop hating the black guy because you don’t think black people should be President.

          • pete18

            “Please don’t let MLK’s blood be spilt and you go on fighting against what he stood for. Obama is our modern MLK. Don’t pretend you are not prejudiced, but you don’t know why, but you just can’t stand that black guy at the white house.”

            Good lord really? A modern day MLK?
            Do you think it’s possible that a lot of people dislike him because of his wretched policies, divisive political tactics, false promises, lies and failures of leadership? Just a thought for you to consider.

          • GregAbdul

            no I don’t think it’s possible. . I can only ask you the same question: what exact “divisive policy” BE SPECIFIC AND TELL ME THE WORSE ONE. are you going to tell me that his fighting for medical care for every american is “divisive”?

          • pete18

            Here are a few early ones to start you off with: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703700904575391553798363586

            Quoting me a campaign slogan is neither a measure of his divisiveness or nobility. It is meaningless.

          • GregAbdul

            no….I am not clicking on a link. I asked YOU. Tell me what has Obama done…are you an anti-Obamabot??? Are you an internet Ph.D??? You tell me the policy question Obama pursues that has so devastated you that you personally are on this crusade against him? Or is this nothing more than you parroting people on internet websites telling you to hate him?

          • pete18

            I’m not on a crusade against him. I think he’s been a very bad president. I make that judgement based on his policies, his statements, and the results of his two and 1/2 terms, which have been horrible (as well as the fact that he throws like a girl). You may disagree with that assessment and there may be some people that critique him because of his race but If you think that’s the only reason he receives intense negative feedback then you are being blinded your own prejudices and hero worship. He has a well earned dossier bad policies and decisions.

            The link is a legitimate example of one of many divisive things that he has done, if you’d like to ignore it that’s up to you.

          • GregAbdul

            you didn’t answer my question. you tell me he’s bad. I ask for specifics and you never give them. Why is that?

          • pete18

            I gave you a few specifics already but you seem afraid to read or acknowledge them. Why is that?

            I’d be happy to give you a long list, but first, so I know I’m not wasting my time, which I suspect given your other comments I would be, answer these questions:

            Is it your position that President Obama has been a perfect
            president and is therefore undeserving of ANY criticism? Because the discussion here ultimately isn’t a debate about how good president Obama is, it’s whether the criticism he gets from white people is based on racism or their assessment
            of his presidency based on their
            political perspectives and values. We could debate the merits of his presidency ‘till the sun goes down and still never get to the heart of that issue.

            And, ( I just read your Uncle Tom comments above) in your mind is it possible for an African American to honestly hold conservative political views?

          • HonestDebate1

            He is not fighting for medical care at all. He’s made premiums go up while choices go down. The ER’s are flooded and 30 million will still be uninsured. Doctors are bailing altogether, the regulations have caused part-time employment to skyrocket at a time when we need more people working. It was a lie from the beginning, first there was no mandate and Hillary was a fool for proposing one, then there was a mandate but it wasn’t a tax, then they argued to the SCOTUS that it was a tax. The cost have tripled and it’s worse than what we had.

            And that’s just scratching the surface of one issue, Obamacare. And look how he passed it! There has never been a law this sweeping and transformative passed on a 100% partisan basis. And what is they law? No one knows because Obama refuses to follow it and has changed it by decree nearly 40 times.

            And don’t get me started on the sham “stimulus”, green money being thrown down a green rat hole, GM, Gadaffi, Mubarek, Benghazi. the IRS, the NSA, Iranian nukes, Syria’s gassing, the VA, an economy in the toilet, divisiveness over race, party, age, sex and wealth. This is awful, don’t expect anyone to boil it down to one issue. But apparently you have, well, stew in your bitterness. I don’t care.

          • GregAbdul

            Bro…you simple are not being honest. Have YOUR premiums went up (any more than the usual increase insurance companies do every year)? Have YOUR premiums “tripled”? You are giving me website talking points. To insist every American should have health insurance and access to medical care is no evil plot. Hone, you are not being honest WITH YOURSELF. You and pete are giving me RNC talking points. Obama being president has not hurt you. We gave stimulus in the form of bailouts to the banks and it was totally bipartisan, so you are flat out wrong on that one. But you are not here arguing facts. You start from, your dislike of Obama, and everything else, true or not (mostly false) is nothing but justifications. Do you thank James Earl Ray everyday that he silenced MLK so that now you can pretend you like black leaders? I mean, you like dead black leaders that can’t fight for blacks anymore right? But those black who rise up to lead America today…you just can’t stand them…but it has NOTHING to do with race…right????

            Denial is way more than a river in Egypt!

          • HonestDebate1

            Alrighty then.

          • Ray in VT

            How long does it take to wipe down your keyboard/screen after a good ole fashioned anti-obamagasm like that? So much of that would be terrible were it factual, which it isn’t of course, but that doesn’t ever seem to stop you from repeating it ad nauseam.

          • HonestDebate1

            You are a sick puppy.

          • jefe68

            So you’re telling a black man how to think about race? And you’re from NC.
            You have posted a lot of comments on this forum that was full of the subtext of race and deference. You’re not even aware of how the language you use can be construed as such. That’s whole point, of which you never seem to get.

          • HonestDebate1

            Are you serious?

          • jefe68

            Nope, the baselessness is all on you, your the one who posts what you do.

          • JGC

            I must agree, no one can name one single worst thing that President Obama has done to set the country on its “downward course”. In fact, I think the controversial moment (as president) might have been the “beer summit” very early in the first administration of BHO.

          • HonestDebate1

            Yes, the Cambridge police acted stupidly. That’s the obvious message.

          • TFRX

            I’d actually put the President a bit to the right of FDR.

            But from some righties’ distance, all Dems blob into one.

            Except Joe Lieberman.

        • hennorama

          GregAbdul — as you can see, [Debates?NotHe] has its own definition of the English words contained in its inapt moniker.

          Best of luck with your merry discourse.

        • jefe68

          Where you been?
          This chap is here to post right wing screeds, and tell the “liberals” whats what.

          • HonestDebate1

            What is right-wing screedy about refusing to judge by the color of skin?

          • jefe68

            Think about what you post, a lot.
            Try to use critical thinking skills sometimes and maybe you can see how others might view what you post in a different light than your own myopic world view.

          • HonestDebate1

            Alrighty then.

  • hennorama

    Another public shooting spree, this time with two armed, trained police officers killed, along with another victim, followed by the apparent murder-suicide of the alleged offenders.

    This horror occurred earlier today, in Las Vegas, Nevada.

    An early report is available here:

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-las-vegas-cops-killed-in-ambush-20140608-story.html

    • JS

      That’s impossible. Good guys with guns STOP bad guys with guns.

      • hennorama

        JS — TYFYR.

        This is sickening and disheartening.

        Each time we see armed and trained police officers shot and killed in this way, it puts the lie to the NRA theme that “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

        This incident, as well as the horrific incident at Seattle Pacific University, in which a shooter was stopped by a guy with pepper spray, disproves that theme, so the NRA should issue a retraction.

        • HonestDebate1

          Surely you see the illogic of your leap. Surely you realize no one says a good guy with a gun always comes out on top. Surely you are not that stupid.

    • Coastghost

      Unreported cumulatively, but statistically significant: some ninety or a hundred Americans died yesterday on US highways. (No word yet on cellphone or texting complicity in any of these fatal accidents.)
      Automotive technology designed for transportation is even more deadly than technology designed to kill (the firearms, I mean, not the cellphones and texting gadgets).
      Applied technology giveth and applied technology taketh away: blessed be the name of applied technology.

      • hennorama

        Coastghost — go ahead — conflate the purposeful shootings and killings of two police officers and a civilian with vehicular accidents.

        They are exactly the same.

        • Coastghost

          Mind you, hen, I only dabble in empiricism, but to extrapolate from assembled data, in all likelihood some eight Americans died yesterday from stabbings, assault with a blunt object, or unassisted physical attack (beating, punching, kicking, strangling).
          If history is any guide, these deaths all resulted from purposeful attacks.

          • hennorama

            Coastghost – TYFYR.

            It’s quite clear that you “only dabble in empiricism,” as you seem “to extrapolate from assembled data,” but only from select “assembled data.”

            For example, you omitted the “assembled data” about “these deaths [that] all resulted from purposeful attacks (human agency, id est)”:

            Per the “assembled data” from the FBI, a quote:

            Of the homicides for which the FBI received weapons data in 2012, most (69.4 percent) involved the use of firearms. Handguns comprised 71.9 percent of the firearms used in murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2012. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 8.)

            The above refers to the 8,855 of the 12,765 Murder Victims whose deaths were reported to have involved firearms in 2012. That’s an horrific average of more than 24 per day, said horrific average being about three times the combined total of victims of all the murder methods you selected.

            You also omitted the “assembled data” about “these deaths [that] all resulted from purposeful [actions] (human agency, id est)”:

            Per the CDC, “Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms” resulted in 19,392 deaths in 2010. That’s an horrific average of more than 54 per day, said horrific average being more than six times 2010′s combined total of victims of all the murder methods you selected. Suicide using firearms comprised more than half of all US suicides in 2010, the other principal methods being Suffocation (9,493), Poisoning (6,599), and Other (2,880).

            Sources:
            http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expandhomicidemain

            http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

            http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

          • Coastghost

            Everyone his own editor, hunh, hen?

          • hennorama

            Coastghost — TYFYR.

            Indeed, we are all our own editors, for good or ill. However, your vocational experience leads one to expect more complete reportage.

            We could go back and forth on the differences between accidental and intentional deaths, and the means thereof, but would likely not reach agreement. I believe that our respective viewpoints are clear.

            I commend you for bringing up the fact that many/most accidental and intentional deaths go unreported to the general populace, and encourage you to bring them to greater attention.

            Thanks again for your response.

    • Coastghost

      ANOTHER suspected Slenderman stabbing attack being freshly reported, hen: daughter stabs mother.
      This is the THIRD female-on-female stabbing attack in just three weeks, hen: the alleged Coronado mother-stabs-three-daughters-lethally case, the alleged Wisconsin Slenderman attack of two girls on a third, and now this fresh case being reported out of Colorado.
      How horrific that mothers are killing daughters, that female friends are attacking female “friends”, that daughters are attacking mothers. –but where is the OUTCRY and the HYSTERIA over “feminine misogyny”?
      Time to ban assault knives, hen?

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    With the advent of 3D printing technology (that can print carbon fiber) PRINTED guns are now a reality. How you gonna stop someone from printing a gun???

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    ” if your kid is graduating from high school this week there has been no global warming his entire life.”

    “The warming pause has now gone on for 17 years and 9 months. It will not be quite that long before Mann is on the witness stand, and feeling the heat. But I think you’ll find the wait will have been worth it.”

    http://www.steynonline.com/6403/im-gonna-quash-that-mann-right-out-of-my-hair

    • JGC

      Michael Mann is a respected professor in the College of Earth and Mineral Sciences at Pennsylvania State University, paid under state remuneration. Mr. Steyn is a political hack filling in for Rush Limbaugh on his for -profit radio program, as per Limbaugh’s request, and with limitless backing by certain pro-carbon entities.

      JGC, B.Sci.Biochem, graduate of Pennsylvania State University.

      • JGC

        Penn State has recently appointed a new president, Eric Barron. Dr. Barron was requested by an alumni panel to head Penn State, after they observed the great capacity he had for herding cats as head of the University of Florida system.

      • pete18

        Does that mean the Mann is incapable of lying, creating discredited propaganda about global warming (the hockey stick), or falsely accusing Steyn of defamation?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Mr. Steyn is a brilliant satirist of politician of all types and parties. He is a Canadian citizen. “Political Hack”? Either you don’t know Steyn or this is new definition of “political hack” with which I am unfamiliar.

        Ever hear of Climategate and “hide the decline and Mike’s Nature Trick.”. Dr. Richard Muller, an actual “respected” Professor from Berkley, takes apart the deceit and poor scientific practices by “the team”.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk

        • TFRX

          Brilliant satirist?

          Hahahahaha.

    • GregAbdul

      global warming denial…really???

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Actually, it is the inconvenient truth….really!!

        Yes, .84C of warming since 1880 but all prior to 1998.

      • TFRX

        Yes, really. THere’s a lot of derp around this place.

        • X Y & Z

          A lot of it is coming from you.

  • OnPointComments

    Colonel Ralph Peters accurately describes the feckless Susan Rice.

    OBAMA AND THE MOCKERY OF HONOR

    Excerpt:

    If a soldier who volunteered to serve in the military rapes or murders someone while in uniform, has he served honorably? Has Bradley Manning, who voluntarily joined the military and then betrayed his country by turning over hundreds of thousands of documents to WikiLeaks, served honorably? Did Benedict Arnold, another volunteer, serve with “honor and distinction”?

    According to the logic of our national-security adviser, Susan Rice, they all did. Merely because they volunteered in the first place. Lieutenant Calley of My Lai Massacre fame? “Honor and distinction.”

    Ms. Rice is aggressively stupid, immaculately clueless, and a disgrace to our system of government, but one does have to admire her tenacity. Late last week, Rice tried to extract herself from her effort to sell Private Bowe Bergdahl as a hero who served, as she had put in on ABC’s This Week, “with honor and distinction.” (The rank of private is correct, in that his promotions were phony.) In her attempted walkback, Rice claimed that anyone who ever signed on the dotted line had served honorably: “What I was referring to was the fact that this was a young man who volunteered to serve his country in uniform at a time of war. That, in and of itself, is a very honorable thing.”

    If this administration cannot embrace our military, might it not at least stop insulting those in uniform?

    • GregAbdul

      Susan Rice is evil…???? And your thing is, you don’t have a clue what her job description is, but you know she sucks…and it’s a COINCIDENCE that disdain you have just happens to be for a black woman in a high post right? I can only keep asking why you guys hate Martin Luther King…you say you love him, but he’s dead, shot by a white racist. Today people like Ms Rice have taken his place and you are acting just like your fore bearers did with Dr. King. You have a Bull Connor playbook laying around the house?

      • OnPointComments

        Did Bradley Manning serve with “honor and distinction”?
        Did Benedict Arnold serve with “honor and distinction”?
        Did Lieutenant Calley serve with “honor and distinction”?

        • GregAbdul

          we are talking about Susan Rice…you know….the black woman who you know is an idiot and you hate her? And coincidentally she’s a black woman in a position of power, but that’s NOT it?

          • pete18

            My guess is that he liked and respected Condi Rice. How does that work into your formulation?

          • GregAbdul

            Pete, a white person defending an Uncle Tom is only more proof of your racism. You only like black people who totally abandon the Civil Rights struggle and aid racist draft dodgers right?

          • pete18

            You realize that makes absolutely no sense don’t you? If a white person defends, likes, admires someone like Condi Rice but doesn’t defend, like, admire someone like
            Susan Rice then the issue can’t be one of race (or the last name) it has to be something else. Right? There is no other logical conclusion to draw.

            If you are saying that the only proof of someone not being a racist is by liking and defending black people who agree with YOUR politics or YOUR definition of what defending the civil rights struggle means then you believe slavery of thought for both black and whites and you don’t believe in MLK’s basic goal of wanting a society that judges people by the content of their character rather than their color. Very sad.

          • GregAbdul

            Pete it makes sense and it’s not complicated. You like black people who don’t like black people. If a black person is an Uncle Tom, you like them. If the black person identifies with MLK and the Civil Rights movement, you don’t like them. I think that puts you with Bull Connor. Quit showing me that you like your blacks in Klan sheets as a proof that you are not prejudiced.

          • pete18

            Wow, talk about someone who is full of hate and prejudice, you’ve
            got one finger pointed at me and four pointing back at yourself.

            What a sad state of affairs that you can’t imagine that other black people may freely draw different conclusions about what is good for them
            and other members of their race that disagrees with you. According to you, if
            you’re not a liberal leftist African American you hate yourself and other black people and are a traitor to the civil rights movement. How moronic and depressing. I guess you’d prefer to
            leave freedom of thought to white people, who are actually able to disagree about the major social economic and philosophical issues of our times, and castigate blacks to lockstep thinking by an anointed committee.

            Something for that closed mind of yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6IJV_0p64s#t=306

          • GregAbdul

            we are 93% with Obama Pete…quite working so hard to get around us trying to hug the Uncle Tom 7%….You disagree with Dr. King and call it freedom of thought…we stand with Dr. King today just as we did yesterday….and we want freedom to live next to you without you fleeing to the next country like did back then and still do.

          • pete18

            MLK is one of my heroes, so is Fredrick Douglas, Harriet Tubman, Thurgood Marshall, Robert L Carter and Thomas Sowell.

            Despite it’s good intentions, I think modern liberalism is destructive for freedom, economic liberty and civil rights. It contributes to a state of dependency, has helped foster single parenthood (one of the biggest causes of poverty) as an acceptable norm in society, as well as engendering a sense of victimhood in society. It helps to suppress innovation and economic growth by an over reliance on government and restrictions on the free market. Liberalism is more interested in group rights, conservatism is more interested in individual rights. Liberalism is more interested in controlling people’s activities for an individuals “own good,” conservatism is more interested in people making their own decisions on how to live with government only intruding as the arbiter when rights come into conflict.

            Black and white conservatives believe in these things because they think they are better for everyone society, not because they are interested in suppressing blacks.
            While you may disagree with conservative ideas, to assume that you are the only one in the room with good intentions, or to insult black conservatives by thinking that they did not come to their positions honestly and are self hating “Uncle Toms,” is not only racist, but incredibly small minded.

          • GregAbdul

            you need to quit lying to yourself. you don’t like MLK. You like Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas. MLK fought for black people and you are against 93% of us. Please be honest with yourself. You like the racist Republican party. We have more communication and a whole lot less honesty. Blacks have gone backwards since Reagan….you know, the old white racist guy who’s another one of your heroes? You like freedom for rich whites, because you believe your crumbs will be bigger than the black guy’s on the other side of town. It has nothing to do with freedom. Government ensures freedom and your buddies hate government.

          • GregAbdul

            The only reason you like MLK is because of James Earl Ray…if King were alive, he would be with Obama hands down…and you are NOT. So Dr. King is NOT your hero…he’s your enemy.

          • pete18

            You’re a very sad and troubled human being.

          • JONBOSTON

            Your premise is all screwed up. “You like black people who don’t like black people”. Do you realize how sick your ideas and thoughts are? I mean seriously demented.

          • HonestDebate1

            She’s not as bad as Hillary.

      • JONBOSTON

        You like playing the race card and apparently have a full deck. Too bad you do that because it makes you sound like a fool. Not a black fool . Just an all American idiot who likes to smear others with different opinions. Keep throwing out the Bull Connors reference so I can remind everyone he was a Democrat who also served on the Democratic National committee and Ku Klux Klan …..Susan Rice is a dupe and the fact that she , Chuck Hagel ( aka , the dope) , and John Kerry ( aka the doofus) comprise with Obama (aka the Great Incompetent) our national security team , must be a source of comfort to Russia, China, Iran , Syria, North Korea , Venezuela , and the Taliban.. Tell me –do you criticize those on the left when they demonize Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice , Alan West , Dr Ben Carson , Sen Tim Scott and others?

        • GregAbdul

          Nope….got no sympathy for Uncle Toms!

          • JONBOSTON

            why am I not surprised. Pathetic….

    • hennorama

      OPC — As you well know, Col. Peters suggested that the Taliban should just go ahead and kill Sgt. Bergdahl, to “save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills.”

      Hold him out as an example, please. It speaks volumes,

      • OnPointComments

        Colonel Peters is correct that Susan Rice has proved herself to be clueless on multiple occasions.

      • Coastghost

        Sgt. Bergdahl or Private Bergdahl, hen? The Obama-Hagel Dept. of Defense seems to be offering mixed messages here.

      • HonestDebate1

        You and Col. Peters were in agreement on the VA scandal.

  • Michael Beaton

    I listen to the show over the podcast, so it has played before I could respond in real time:
    So todays show, when Putin charged America with having a global presence… I was dismayed that once again , and on such a fine show as this one, the point was completely ignored and the respondent simply went to “Yeah, but he didn’t talk about his non-uniformed soldiers, or his influence…”…

    If it wasn’t so blinkered it would be dumb. But it isnt dumb, this show is not dumb, so what is it? Why was there no pick up of the point of American Global presence? Even so simple a nod as acknowledgement?

    It examples to me that we do what we accuse others of. There is a word for that…Hypocrisy.

    The point is worthy of essays and books…So I’ll reference Chalmers Johnson and his books on Blowback.

  • HonestDebate1

    I can’t say I entirely endorse Nicole Mullen here (never heard of her) but I do find her notions provocative, cunning and very interesting.

    http://thoughtcatalog.com/nicole-mullen/2014/06/the-racist-element-of-the-bergdahl-trade-that-white-liberals-refuse-to-acknowledge/

    • JGC

      I read the piece and was scratching my head after. A little bit of searching found that Nicole Mullen is actually a comedian named Nick Mullen. Anyway, I think Mullen’s pieces are supposed to be absurd and satyrical, mostly on gender and race issues, with a lot of scatological references thrown in. Definitely not going to bookmark this one, HD!

      • hennorama

        JGC — You’re far braver than I to open any source from [Debates?NotHe], especially one he admits to never having heard of.

        I’m going to guess that somewhere in that link is a clue that the source is complete equine excrement, but the expert couldn’t detect the aroma due to his immersion.

        Good sleuthing, JGC.

        • HonestDebate1

          So you didn’t read it?

      • HonestDebate1

        I got a kick out of it.

        • 1Brett1

          Which parts did you get the most “kick” out of, the racist stuff or the “retarded school” part?

        • JGC

          I think maybe it is a sort of performance piece, where part of the art is the reaction seen within the comment section afterward, so that the audience becomes part of the performance. Sort of like what Andy Kaufmann used to do. Or I could be wrong. Definitely.

    • 1Brett1

      You’re easily duped by anything that sounds even remotely critical of Obama/liberals…I’m reminded of Mike Myers as Wayne of Wayne’s World doing the fish being reeled in in pantomime.

      • hennorama

        1Brett1 — That the source is complete equine excrement is unsurprising, coming from the expert.

        That he would take it seriously is also unsurprising.

        One wonders how many similar fools were duped, and where and how they found themselves on the primrose path.

        • 1Brett1

          One would think that, if nothing else, this part should have been a dead give away (“Nicole” Mullen’s self-description): “Just a fun mom and a teacher at a retarded school. I like recipes and my kids.”

          • hennorama

            1Brett1 — HAHAHAHAHA. A minor hint, that.

        • HonestDebate1

          So you read it?

        • 1Brett1

          All one need do is look at the home page…just the headlines would be enough.

          • hennorama

            1Brett1 — TYFYR.

            Perhaps, but I’m not going to “go there,” virtually or otherwise.

            As you likely have observed, I’m very interested in sources. I habitually click on an unfamiliar writer’s name in online articles, as that usually links to their bio. I’m intrigued as to whether there is such a link for “Nicole Mullen” in the subject piece, but not so intrigued as to investigate.

            Thanks again.

  • hennorama

    What the hell?

    There are multiple reports that the alleged Las Vegas shooters, who killed two police officers and a civilian yesterday, were part of those who gathered in support of Federal scofflaw Cliven Bundy.

    Great. Just great.

    Sure glad I don’t live in Nevada.

    • HonestDebate1

      Please tell the class what you read into that.

    • TFRX

      What the hell do you mean by “what the hell”?

      That these people who were pussyfooted around by armed govt agents because they were rural and white went on to do this is very, very predictable.

      • hennorama

        TFRX — TYFYR.

        I don’t know what I mean, other than I’m glad I don’t live in Nevada. There is a connection, but its significance or lack thereof is unknown, and I won’t speculate about it.

        It’s just disconcerting on its face.

        • TFRX

          I wish Nevada was alone in this.

          I know not-so-rural college kids (from my days in college, a certain number of years ago) who didn’t fit the idea of “western Rugged” or “Southern heritage” or “rural self-reliant” and a disconcerting number of them, all white, had this “gummint’s coming for me” schtick going.

          And they didn’t have other personality problems.

          Keep safe.

  • OnPointComments

    I’m tired of hearing these Obama administration officials and supporters say that “We don’t leave a soldier behind.” The irony of this statement is surely apparent to the families of Chris Stevens, Tyrone Woods, Sean Smith and Glen Doherty.

    • hennorama

      Berghazi Balderdash.

      • OnPointComments

        I note your lack of compassion for those who truly did serve with honor and distinction.

        • hennorama

          OPC — TYFYR.

          I note you ascribing thoughts and ideas to me that I have not written.

        • X Y & Z

          What else would you expect from an idiot like that (hennorama) who praises an incompetent President who illegally freed 5 Taliban terrorists, that had been captured on the battlefield trying to kill US soldiers?

          • hennorama

            X Y & Z — please demonstrate the validity of the following words, all of which you wrote:

            “praises a President”
            “illegally”
            “freed”
            “5 Taliban terrorists”
            “captured on the battlefield trying to kill US soldiers”

            Put up or shut up, Cowardly Lyin’.

    • Ray in VT

      Why would it be ironic, unless you are suggesting that those who died in Benghazi were left behind, which does not square with the military response.

  • OnPointComments

    If Bergdahl is pardoned, what would be your opinion of the pardon?

  • JGC

    Holy Crap! Cantor loses primary to Tea Party candidate Brat! Now what?!
    (Favorite comment seen tonight: Cantor loses to Brat in the wurst way.)

    • hennorama

      JGC — there are some related comments in the How To Tackle Ballooning College Costs forum.

      Cantor Won’t? Yes.

      Brat Wins, Adult Loses.

      Prediction: Professor Wins VA 7th, GOP/TEA Heads Explode.

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