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Week In The News: Antarctic Ice Collapsing, Turkey Tragedy, India’s Vote, Hillary’s Brain

VA chief in the hot seat. Karl Rove on Hillary Clinton. Turkey’s mining tragedy. Antarctic meltdown.

Miners and members of the rescue services wait for the arrival of Turkey's President Abdullah Gul outside the mine in Soma, western Turkey, Thursday, May 15, 2014. An explosion and fire at a coal mine in Soma, some 250 kilometers (155 miles) south of Istanbul, killed hundreds of workers, authorities said, in one of the worst mining disasters in Turkish history. (AP)

Miners and members of the rescue services wait for the arrival of Turkey’s President Abdullah Gul outside the mine in Soma, western Turkey, Thursday, May 15, 2014. An explosion and fire at a coal mine in Soma, some 250 kilometers (155 miles) south of Istanbul, killed hundreds of workers, authorities said, in one of the worst mining disasters in Turkish history. (AP)

Hot seat week for Veterans Affairs chief Eric Shinseki.  For the prime minister of Turkey, his car pummeled by Turks furious over their mining disaster.  For the whole world with news that a massive Antarctic ice sheet is now melting.  Sea rise to follow.  In politics, Karl Rove goes after Hillary Clinton’s brain.  India’s vote comes in.  Marco Rubio speaks on climate change.  We’ve got an FCC vote on “net neutrality,” the top woman out at the New York Times, a right to be forgotten online in Europe, a gay kiss in the NFL draft.  This hour On Point:  Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

– Tom Ashbrook

Guests

John McCormack, senior writer at The Weekly Standard. (@McCormackJohn)

Miriam Elder, foreign editor at BuzzFeed. (@MiriamElder)

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

The Weekly Standard: Eric Holder: No Plans at DOJ to Investigate Secret Waiting Lists and Veteran Deaths at VA Hospitals — “According to CNN, at least 40 veterans died while waiting for treatment at one VA hospital in Phoenix. Members of Congress have said in recent weeks that the inspector general investigation is inadequate and have called on the DOJ to launch its own investigation.”

USA Today: Karl Rove’s brain freeze: Our view – “But nobody has to ask that about Karl Rove. The whip-smart Republican operative has a reputation for picking his words carefully and understanding how they’ll resonate. So when Rove suggested at an off-the-record conference last week that Hillary Clinton might have a brain problem from a concussion she got in December 2012, he had to know how that might play out.”

The Wall Street Journal: Death Toll at Turkish Coal Mine Rises to 283 – “At least 283 people have died since the Tuesday explosion and fire at a coal mine in the country’s western Soma region. About 100 people still believed to be underground at Soma Komur Isletmeleri AS’s mine, two days after the explosion trapped 787 workers. Since late Wednesday, rescuers haven’t evacuated any miners alive, said Energy Minister Taner Yildiz, who has been coordinating disaster efforts.”

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  • Michiganjf

    If the media really feels the need to cover the idiot remarks of people like Rove and Limbaugh, they should ALWAYS preface the story by (for instance) “here is another stupidity by Karl Rove we feel the need to cover, just because someone might be slightly interested…”

    This, in reference to the latest moronic lie Rove evacuated from his fat head about Hillary Clinton.

    Just sayin’…

    • harverdphd

      Sure, as long as you use, “here is another stupidity by me, Michiganjf, I feel the need to cover, just because someone might be slightly interested…”

      • jefe68

        Bottom feeding again. Well I guess that’s to be expected from the right wing Friday troll coffee klatch.

        • Shag_Wevera

          Isn’t it klutsch? I may surely be wrong…

    • John Cedar

      I am sure you called for the same thing when former White House physician Connie Mariano made her unscientific comments about Christie.

    • northeaster17

      I agree. The track records of those hacks says it all.

    • hennorama

      Michiganjf — Jon Stewart skewered Mr. Rove, in a segment titled “OK, You Go Bye Now.” The Rove portion begins at about 3:25 into the clip (after an equally amusing one on Donald Sterling):

      http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/9a714k/ok–you-go-bye-now

      • Michiganjf

        Never miss Stewart or Colbert… thanks for the post!

  • brettearle

    OK, you guys on the Right.

    Give it your best shot.

    Out of Dallas, via AP//a credible News Post…it seems to me

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140515-u.s.-lets-insurers-cap-what-they-ll-pay-for-procedures-such-as-knee-replacements.ece

    –US allows caps on what will be covered, by Insurance Companies, for certain surgical procedures. Extra costs, in some cases, will need to be FULLY reimbursed, out of pocket–despite the stipulations and parameters that might go along, generally, with such medical expenses….such as annual limits on out-of-pocket expenses–

    We on the Left–and after this revelation, I just might be Disowned by the Left–don’t like to bring this stuff up.

    But I’m simply enacting a preemptive. It would have come out, via Opposition Research by the Right, anyway–quite, quite soon.

    Go ahead. Have at it.

    Any debate to improve ACA, I am for. Our job is not to conceal the weaknesses.

    • Michiganjf

      BEFORE ACA:

      -Lifetime cap of one million on my policy for any and ALL care

      - “caps on what will be covered by insurance company, INCLUDING for certain surgical procedures.

      - pre-existing conditions NOT covered

      - insurance premiums increasing at an average of 10% a year for the several years BEFORE the ACA was passed

      How is it that people bring up ALL the faults of America’s medical insurance system from BEFORE the ACA, then try to pawn it all off on the new law, which has *mostly* been in effect for less than a year??!!

      I’ll take the ACA ANY DAY over the horrid, uncaring system we had before the new law was passed!!!!

      • William

        Yes, but at what cost? How many millions of people lost their medical insurance so you could get a “good deal”.?

        • Michiganjf

          ZERO!

          That’s the number of people who lost insurance policies which were worth the paper they were written on!

          But of course, you wouldn’t care about Americans getting ripped off, so long as YOU’RE okay, right rightie?!

          • William

            It would be difficult to call another person’s insurance policy bad or worthless since that individual bought it.

            You do have a point that there are people like you in our country too stupid to be able to buy items without “big government” telling them what is “good enough” for you.

            So, if you feel good about watching millions of other people suffer so you can “game the system” or has Obama said “quit being a free loader” good for you!

        • Ray in VT

          Overall the number of people lacking health insurance coverage in America is down from in the latter part of 2013 to 13.4% according to one long running survey on the topic.

    • hennorama

      brettearle — this is interesting.

      It seems contrary to the some of the ACA provisions. One supposes the idea is to get more consistent pricing among providers, or at least to moderate some of the outlier pricing.

    • hennorama

      brettearle — there’s quite a bit more about “reference pricing” available here, including a video of a panel discussion that was on C-Span back in November 2013:

      http://www.allhealth.org/briefing_detail.asp?bi=310

      http://www.c-span.org/video/?316290-1/effectiveness-price-caps-containing-health-costs

  • X Y & Z

    Russians cry ‘colonialism’ and complain of ‘America’s dark side’ after Joe Biden’s son joins the board of Ukraine’s largest private gas company

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627424/VP-Bidens-son-joins-Ukraine-gas-companys-board.html

    The ‘crisis’ in Ukraine was created by the US /CIA coup which worked to ouster the democratically elected government in Ukraine.

    • X Y & Z

      The CIA has a well documented history of overthrowing legitimate, democratically elected governments:
      Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Congo 1960, Dominican Republic 1961, South Vietnam 1963, Brazil 1964, Chile 1973, Ukraine 2013, and replacing them with dictatorships that strictly follow their directives from Washington, regardless of the cost to their own citizens.

      • JS

        Amen brother. I think there would be a lot less chaos in the world today if we minded more of our own business. But it’s the American way to not let foreign governments, even democratically elected ones, get in the way of Big Business.

      • northeaster17

        I think that there should be healthy speculation concerning the Ukranian coup and the CIA’s level of involvement.. I do not think we know for sure yet. But I would not be surprises if what you said was so

  • StilllHere

    Where’s the red line this week? Syria, Crimea, China Sea?

    Did the gold digger’s recording change the world yet? Let me know.

  • Ed75

    A woman in Pakistan named Miriam Ibrahim is scheduled to be killed under the blasphemy laws, she was raised Christian by her mother and married a Christian man, they have one child and she is pregnant with a second child – the charge is sex with a non-Muslim. Just a specific example of persecution of Christians across the MIddle East and north Africa (the abducted girls are Christian).
    Pope Francis is going to the Holy Land in two weeks, he will meet with the Orthodox Patriarch, marking the 50th anniversary the Pope Paul met there with the then Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople. (Some see religions as the same, but having learned some about them, how very different they are, even divisions within religions!)

  • Ed75

    Pope John XXIII, ‘the good pope’, was named a saint last week, there is also some talk about his having had a hand in ending the Cuban Missile Crisis (why did Kruschev back off?). Also, for the time he was in Greece and Turkey during the war, in preparation for Pope Francis:

    Israel’s parliament held a special session on May 13 to pay tribute to Pope St. John XXIII.

    “There has not been an event like today’s in the history of the Knesset, an event which is so important to our relations with the Christian and Catholic world,” said Yair Tzeven, a former government minister, according to The Jerusalem Post.

    During World War II, “he did everything to save Jews,” added Isaac Herzog, a cabinet minister from 2005-11 and current opposition leader.

    Herzog said that his grandfather, a prominent rabbi, met with the future Pope, then a Vatican diplomat in Turkey and Greece, and “stated that at these meetings Roncalli wept. John XXIII made tremendous efforts to save Jews, and because of him thousands of Jews were indeed saved.”

  • nj_v2

    Selected jacka**ery of the week:

    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/4-way-tie-most-atrocious-right-winger-moment?akid=11804.1084699.DOktIW&rd=1&src=newsletter992181&t=3

    4-Way Tie for Most Atrocious Right-Winger of the Moment
    Limbaugh, Rove, Sterling, Coulter . . . who’s the most horrible?

    1. Rush Limbaugh decided to go after Michelle Obama and Malala, the Pakistani girl who was shot by the Taliban for going to school, on his radio program yesterday.…

    2. Karl Rove made a desperate move to shoot down any possibility of a Hillary Clinton presidency by suggesting she has brain damage last week. “Thirty days in the hospital? And when she reappears, she’s wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury?” he reportedly said. “We need to know what’s up with that.”…

    3. Donald Sterling said a bunch of incoherent, ridiculous things in his interview last night with Anderson Cooper, the one where this clueless billionaire thought he would redeem himself by saying “II am not a racist… Aren’t I allowed to make mistake . . . The girl set me up,” and other stupidities. But, then he decided to go after Magic Jonhson.…

    4. Ann Coulter is vying with Rush in the viless category by mocking the #BringBackOurGirls twitter campaign. Coulter decided it would be really, what, funny? to tweet a picture of herself holding a #BringBackOurCountry sign.…

    (excerpts)

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/05/15/3438179/marco-rubio-abortion-climate-science/

    Marco Rubio Defends His Climate Denialism With Unscientific Rant On Abortion

    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), who has recently come under fire for failing to name a single sourceto justify his assertion that “there’s no scientific evidence” to prove humans are contributing to climate change, is defending his comments by claiming that at least he knows the science about abortion.

    In an interview with Sean Hannity on Wednesday, the senator said that liberals who criticize him for ignoring climate science are revealing their “hypocrisy” because they ignore the science supporting the idea that life begins at conception. Rubio claimed this concept is a “proven fact” that people on the left are ignoring.…

    (snipped)

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/13/the-8-most-ridiculous-attacks-on-public-educati/199284

    The 8 Most Ridiculous Attacks On Public Education In Glenn Beck’s New Book

    1. Longer School Days Help Teachers Encourage “Teen Sexual Activity.”

    2. “Most Teachers Get A Raise For Not Dying Over The Summer.”

    3. Teachers Don’t Need Tenure Because “Parents Will Hold [Principals] Accountable.”

    4. Teachers’ Colleges Are “Not Very Hard” To Get Into And Are “Marxist Brainwashing Factories.”

    5. “Radical Educators” Use Civil Rights To “Further Their Marxist Agenda.”

    6. Common Core Helps Progressives Remove Parents From Their Children’s Lives.

    7. “Controllists” Want To Serve School Meals So That Kids Will Be In School More And To Teach Kids That Everything Is Free.

    8. Former President George W. Bush and Governor Chris Christie Are “Progressives.”

    • northeaster17

      amazing

    • William

      President Obama vows to continue his latest crime fighting program “Safe Streets” by continuing to release illegal immigrants convicted of crimes in this country. The crimes included murder, rape, car theft, assault and drug dealing. Obama was quoted “These folks are part of our society so how can we deport them?”

  • John Cedar

    Hillary Clinton suffered a concussion.
    A concussion IS brain damage.
    It is amazing to see the medical science deniars come out in droves to defend her.

    • OnPointComments

      Maybe the government can get a group rate to evaluate the brain damage among those in the Democratic party.

      “The Editors would like to extend our condolences to Senator Harry Reid and his family as they go through this difficult time. While we can only guess at the exact nature of the psychiatric or neurological trauma the Senate majority leader has suffered, we assume that it is severe, judging by his symptoms, the most prominent of which is his new habit of taking to the Senate floor to deliver speeches that sound like they ought to be coming from a man wearing a bathrobe in front of a liquor store in Cleveland.”
      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/377603/theres-something-about-harry-editors

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Bubba said it was touch and go for six months but Ol’ Hil is A-OK now.
      Obama says Hillary is still likeable … enough.

    • adks12020

      Getting blackout drunk IS brain damage too. That doesn’t mean tens of thousands of college students are unable to perform job functions for the rest of their lives.

      I, and many other people I know, have sustained concussions for various reasons over the years. A single concussion is not going to cause enough damage to inhibit a person’s ability to think and reason.

      • John Cedar

        From what I read, a concussion that has symptoms for six months, as hers reportedly did, is the kind of brain injury that can significantly decease a persons stamina for YEARS to come.

        Those college students with hangovers that last for a day or three, will be just fine. The ones with hangover that last six months, will likely show some cognitive and stamina diminishment.

    • Shag_Wevera

      Sad, dude.

      • jefe68

        Deeply.

    • Don_B1

      Most people recover fully from a concussion.

      See:

      http://www.cdc.gov/concussion/feel_better.html

      It is repeated concussions, particularly when the brain is not given time to heal between incidents, that is permanently debilitating. That was why the doctors told Ms. Clinton to stay home for a while after her concussion, and she did, unlike too many males who need to flaunt their bravado.

      Sometimes I wonder how many concussions you and the other right-wing ideologues suffered in your youth sports.

      • John Cedar

        Most fat people with normal blood pressure, normal cholesterol, and normal blood sugar, will outlive Obama’s demographic, which is…black male, who has admitted to using cocaine and who has two parents who died young.
        But that didn’t stop the left-topians from predicting Christie’s early death.

        Not a great example though…because, while there is little chance Obama or Christie will be dead from health problem in the next ten years, there is actually a real significant chance that Hillary has lingering cognitive and stamina deficiencies from her traumatic brain injury. And its not a just a1/1000 chance either. It is a much more significant chance than that.

        • Don_B1

          You really are sick!

  • stephenreal

    subject: Taking on Boko Harem

    To really secure a jungle rescue is going to take at least 3000 US Marines with your elite teams in field along with the heavy on the ground and in the air.

    This is a pretty big crew these Boko Harem cats.
    This is no small potato job on the optics alone.
    A job like this is going to take several US fleets to pull off maximum stomp power backing the force (in my opinion).

    We’re gonna need the Brits

    Get in
    rescue
    and f’in leave man

  • J__o__h__n

    It is 9:42 and none of the usual right wing posters has mentioned Benghazi yet. Did everyone oversleep?

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Was there new news this week?
      There was new information on the IRS scandal. Hopefully Tom will do the right thing and cover it.

      • X Y & Z

        Don’t count on it.

    • MrNutso

      Look, Benghazi!

    • jefe68

      Wait for it.

    • nj_v2

      They’ve packed up their flags and tea bags and have headed down to Operation American Spring. Organizers were expecting millions. Or a couple of hundred. Whatever.

  • TFRX

    NPR gets suckered again. This Karl Rove crap is right up with “when did you stop beating your wife having seizures” questions.

    There is no intersection of “Public Radio Polite” and “talking about what Karl Rove said” that doesn’t privilege the lie.

    • John Cedar

      And Cristie could drop dead from being fat.

  • OnPointComments

    Jill Abramson gets the axe from the New York Times.

    • Don_B1

      I do think that Mr. Sulzberger should have that image painted on the ceiling over his bed and have to read it ten times each morning before getting up.

  • Shag_Wevera

    I think we should raise the minimum wage to $15/hr JUST TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. Will civilization collapse? Will the sun fail to rise? I think it is at least possible that this money would end up as an investment, as the poor tend to immediately reinvest their wages directly into the consumer economy. Do you have the courage, my conservative friends?

    • Shag_Wevera

      Let us call it a social experiment, with a repeal option after 3 years.

    • OnPointComments

      The favorite pastime of liberals is spending other people’s money.

      • Shag_Wevera

        I’d like to spend every last cent of yours.

      • Shag_Wevera

        BTW, nice dodge. Righties excel at dodges.

        • Ray in VT

          As well as ducking, dipping, diving and dodging.

          • jefe68

            We should ask him to buy all the liberals lunch…

        • John Cedar

          Righties tend to excel at…everything.

          • Ray in VT

            I think that that is your best satire on here today. That is why I am liking it.

      • John Cedar

        And driving small business, out of business.

      • StilllHere

        To a liberal, there’s no other kind of money.

        • Ray in VT

          Sure there is. There’s also my money.

    • William

      It’s really not a bad idea but you could never repeal it once it was in place.

      • Shag_Wevera

        Why, William. Why?

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    The two scientific papers on the West Antarctic glaciers are critical, and the information in them will affect the entire world in the centuries to come.

    Sea level rise and other effects of climate change are all over the news. We almost have no off season for tornadoes, or for wild fires. The flooding in Florida and several other places recently is staggering – there was not even a big storm; and yet there was much more rain than is large hurricanes. Drought is getting worse in the southwest US.

    • Shag_Wevera

      The right won’t care until THEIR pants are on fire.

  • Coastghost

    Sigh alas and alack: another week, seven more days in the era of Technogenic Climate Change and our public broadcasters who still thrill us to headlines dire and portentous STILL insist on bleating and blaring 24/7/365.
    Sixteen hours of broadcast per day would cut power consumption and power requirements for reception and interaction by roughly a third, I am guessing. (Otherwise, we’re left with the riddle of whether temporality is dependent upon electricity for its generation.)

    • Shag_Wevera

      Okay. We get it. You don’t care.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        We do get it and we care. We care about the money grab that will have zero net impact on the climate but will hurt the economy.

        • Shag_Wevera

          And NOTHING, of course, can be more important than THE ECONOMY!

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Did I say that?
            Wasting money to no effect seems foolish at best. The truth is it will hurt the poor the most.

          • Shag_Wevera

            Need we mention the cost of a single Nimitz-Class aircraft carrier?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Weren’t you just railing on about dodges?
            Two wrongs don’t make a right, eh?

        • Ray in VT

          Yes, you guys are totally against the vast climate change conspiracy.

      • OnPointComments

        Coming up in the next hour: “How Paleo-Americans Emerged From The Ice Age.” Ahh, the Ice Age, or as members of the cult of Global Warming call it, The Good Old Days.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Hillary’s Brain vs. George Bush’s. This is a toss-up. Considering the damage wrought from 8 years of Bubba’s rule in Washington, D.C. one could safely conclude that his administration suffered from some major mental disabilities. And we was re-elected! So, Hills.. don’t give up Hope.*

    * It’s still in Arkansas. Somewhere.

  • TFRX

    Really, Tom: You’re going to take three links for the entire week and one of them is any random shitstain gambit Karl Rove comes up with?

    Can I sell you a bridge?

  • toc1234

    now with the WH and the NYT being exposed as hypocritical frauds regarding equal pay, I think we can all agree that the ‘war on women’ is just another phony weapon to bludgeon people that the left disagrees with.

    • TFRX

      Another rightie says “we can all agree”. That sets off alarms everywhere.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Bill “Horn Dog” Clinton usually refers to women as walking dead if they fail to satisfy him in bed. Mostly the wives and girlfriends of other men.

    • Shag_Wevera

      Your post is just ridiculous.

      • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

        Keep loving that Horn Dog, forever. Doodly doo. Hoober Doober.

        • Shag_Wevera

          No less ridiculous.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Re: VA. Call in the NSA. They’ve probably got the secret waiting lists on their servers.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    VA Hospital Oakland (Pittsburgh has more than one facility). I’ve never experienced anything but very good service. Secure online message a problem on Thursday morning; got a phone call from my primary care physician that afternoon. On Monday afternoon I was being seen by him and a resident. Pharmacy is quick. Staff is friendly. I’ve had some operations. No problems. One of the best government services I’ve ever encountered. In Pittsburgh… HLB, Vietnam-era Veteran

    • Shag_Wevera

      You are a parasite, according to the right. Get over your issues and get a job, you puss.

      • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

        Engineer: In private practice, keeping the ignorant from harming themselves. HD

        • Shag_Wevera

          Still sucking mightily on the gummint teet.

  • SjMills

    FWIW – my wife’s brother emerged from Viet Nam with debilitating PTSD and has been on disability his entire adult life. His care from the Long Island VA hospital has been excellent.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!
    –Peter Finch in Network

    • Shag_Wevera

      Fictional and corny 70′s movie.

      • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

        You meant prescient. You’ll find it in the dictionary. Hoober Doober

  • Michiganjf

    It sounds like the REAL problem with the VA is fighting wars for which we can’t afford to pay, both during AND AFTER combat operations.

    How about we be more circumspect before going off on military adventurism half-cocked, as neo-cons and those on the right are prone to do?

    Of course, then there’s John McCain, et. al…

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    Do we need to cut military procurement to pay for care of our veterans? Do we need to tax carbon (like the oil we use our military to defend!) and use that to pay for care of our veterans?

  • TFRX

    “Not entirely fair” to compare Obama’s sui generis reelection IT systems and “why didn’t they fix the entirety of the VA systems in two years” is a gross understatement, Jack.

    Ask anyone who’s worked with healthcare IT records–it’s basically Windows front ends and ancient mainframes.

    Why anybody ever ask doesn’t ask Karl Rove, Suuuuuper Geeeenius, why he and his puppet president didn’t singlehandedly fix it?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    With Global Heating & sea level rise. If he can’t already, Jack Beatty will be able to canoe from Lake Winnipesaukee to Boston Harbor. Without fording or encountering very shallow water. Post some snaps.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Why is the Jet Propulsion Lab studying glaciers in Antarctica?
    Climate spending is like a cancer that has invaded every government agency. This should be the poster child government waste and bloat.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Obama has a secret drone base down there. HD

  • toc1234

    climate change keeps rattling around the echo chamber of NPR…

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Twenty-eight U.S. senators held an all-night “talkathon” Monday to call attention to climate change, an issue that only 24% of Americans say they worry about a great deal. This puts climate change, along with the quality of the environment, near the bottom of a list of 15 issues Americans rated in Gallup’s March 6-9, 2014 survey. The economy, federal spending, and healthcare dominate Americans’ worries.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Americans didn’t worry about WWII, either. Until it happened. Hoober Doober

    • OnPointComments

      The All Night Talkathon was similar to NPR pledge week: the Democrats were doing whatever it takes to get Tom Steyer’s money.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Get your head out of the sand, please. Climate change is a real as you or I.

    • art525

      The fact that people are not paying attention does not mean that climate change is not a real threat.

  • TFRX

    The Weekly Standard guy certainly has done his breath control exercises. Can’t someone on air factcheck him?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    We create our own facts!
    –Karl Rove, CEO, GOPer Guano

  • Coastghost

    Would it do or would it be feasible to begin carving off the ocean-side periphery of the departing ice sheet, to relieve pressure from the ice sheet still over or towards the interior of continental Antarctica? Carve and trim off and detach a mile or two of ice at a time? What would engineers say?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Buzzfeed says the report is “utterly terrifying”.

    This is what is wrong with media and propaganda. If you actually read the study they simply say the western antarctic ice MIGHT melt in 200-1000 years and more study is required. And, btw, the study is based on computer models.

    In the mean time the antarctic ice extent (as actually measured) has reached a record size for April.

    Oh brother, these people need help.

    • Shag_Wevera

      Move along… Nothing to see here…

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Please check reality. Ignoring it won’t make it go away – and it makes you look very foolish.

    • Ray in VT

      A stronger polar vortex may be mostly causing ice increase:

      http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/09/17/stronger-winds-explain-puzzling-growth-of-sea-ice-in-antarctica/

      At least part of Antarctica has seen an annual temperature increase of 2.8C over the past 50 years:

      http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/bas_research/science/climate/antarctic_peninsula.php

      Should air and sea temperatures continue to increase, which seems pretty certain, then one wonders how long either growth or maintenance of sea ice can be maintained. There is also the possibility that if stronger winds in recent years are responsible for much of the growth, then should winds decrease that would also impact ice extent.

    • art525

      Tell that to the people at the Jersey Shore and in The Rockaways. They will be quite relieved.

    • nj_v2

      Public embarrassment is no deterrent for people like Worried. Amusing but sad.

      [[ And, btw, the study is based on computer models. ]]

      Ohhhh, nooooo!!! Not computer models!!!

    • Steve__T

      Yeah, why caint dees guys unna stand, da tempeture gos up n’ down? And day’ got duhgrees!

  • Kathy

    Oh FFS, the poor widdle wepuwicans with their filibuster everything are complaining about Reid? How about they start to play by the rules and stop trying to destroy America just to make Obama look bad.

  • OnPointComments

    Harry Reid used a parliamentary maneuver to block a bipartisan amendment by pipeline supporters to include the pipeline measure in an energy efficiency bill moving forward in the Senate. Then he complained about obstructionism.

    • MrNutso

      Reid said vote on the efficiency bill and we’ll have a vote on Keystone XL. The efficiency bill was killed for election purposes, so now, no vote on Keystone XL.

      • OnPointComments

        Reid blocked the amendment because he didn’t want a vote that would embarrass the White House.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    How many years will it take for radio folks like Tom and Jack to come to the obvious conclusion? It’s time to repeal Article I. It’s not the 18th century and we’re not all landed gentry donning wigs to go to fancy dress balls.

    • StilllHere

      Well, it can’t be just me.

  • X Y & Z

    U.S. companies get hurt by sanctions targeting Russia

    http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2014/05/14/u-s-companies-get-hurt-by-sanctions-targeting-russia/
    That might explain why US economic growth for Q1 was 0.1%.

    • Ray in VT

      Probably not, given when sanctions were instated.

      • hennorama

        Ray in VT — please, don’t confuse [X Y & Z] with facts and logic.

    • StilllHere

      Fair observation, doesn’t bode well for Q2.

      • X Y & Z

        More than likely, economic growth will be negative for Q2.

        That’s what happens when an ex-community organizer with NO business or real world experience gets elected to run the largest economy in the world.

        • Ray in VT

          Indications from towards the end of Q1 showed a rebound, so I think that the likelihood of a negative GDP number is pretty low. 12 straight quarters of growth and 18 out of the last 19 is pretty terrible alright.

      • X Y & Z

        Obamacare is a jobs killer that no doubt also played a part in terrible economic growth numbers.

  • Scott B

    When it comes to climate change the Republicans are once again
    proving Norm Orstein’s quote: “The problem with the Republican party is
    that they deny science, history, fact, and experience.” Just listen to
    Rubio go on and on about it not being proven, that mankind isn’t
    effecting it, etc. The deniers always send up some alternative reason
    which is always proven as false, from natural warming trends to obscure
    types of clouds.

    There have been over 100,000 scientific studies done and written on climate change, and less than .1% of those studies say that it’s not happening, and/or mankind isn’t responsible. Over 98% of all climate scientists say climate change is real, and that man is responsible. That kind of overwhelming evidence in any other field would just be accepted as fact, yet the Right continue to deny it, as if it were a scared right, and “entitled to their own facts”.

    • William

      A generation ago scientists told us Nuclear power was totally safe and the way to go for power production.

      • Ray in VT

        I think that the potential for what could go wrong with the production of nuclear power was known long before that.

        • Scott B

          Those in charge certainly did, but the government and nuclear business certainly tailored their speech to that end with the public.
          But that being said, the newest, and coming, generations of nuclear plants are safer, being able to use a wider range of fuel that doesn’t have to be as “hot”, can be recycled, and decays in decades not millennia.

      • jefe68

        Straw man argument.

      • Scott B

        We also didn’t have the same information a generation ago. When I was in grade school they told us that the earth was cooling, if not headed for another ice age.
        But now we have much better ways to not just gather science, but to aggregate that science. Satellites, sensors in every conceivable place and on animals, commercial and citizen reporting of crops and catches, and computers that are light years away from what they had a generation ago.
        Even if one doesn’t want to look at science, look what nature is telling us: Warm water fish are being found in places that they’ve never been seen before (such as lionfish, which is devastating reef fish population), fire seasons that are now lasting all year long, record droughts, a delayed growing season, just to name a few.

      • nj_v2

        Science vs. technology. One of the many things the right wingers are confused about.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    What India needs most is President Condom. Before it devolves into another Wogistan.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Come to India for the poverty. Stay for the rapes of foreign women.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    We create our own conspiracies!
    –Karl Rove, CEO, GOPer Guano

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Bubba: “she works out every week”
    The world: “your trainer is a joke; fire him”

    • JS

      Why would you fire the trainer?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Some of those missing girls might be in Horn Dog’s basement.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Please …

      • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

        Touche. HD

  • toc1234

    relax Jack.

  • X Y & Z

    On Point is onboard for Hillary 2016.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Probably because GOPer Nation doesn’t donate to public radio. HD

  • M S

    Hillary’s opposition to the troop surge in Iraq was politically motivated; wonderful, she’ll make a great President.

  • art525

    McCormack is quite the tap dancer. It is painful to hear him twist reason in such a strained way to fit his right wing ideology.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Nigerian girls is like Ukraine and missing Malaysian flight. USA enters into the problem far, far too late to be effective at anything other than consolation and head shaking.

  • toc1234

    doubtful Hilary will release her full medical records. Obama wasn’t forced into releasing his full medical records so there’s precedence for selective disclosure…

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Obama’s age and health were not of concern to anyone. HD

      • toc1234

        I was concerned. ever hear of Len Bias?

        • Ray in VT

          Who’s that? Some middle aged politician with a wife and kids and a white collar work background?

          • toc1234

            google… len bias cocaine

          • Ray in VT

            So he really wasn’t anything like Obama, then? And I know who he was.

      • anamaria23

        Either were JFK’s.

    • TFRX

      Who wasn’t forced?

      Richard (What Heart Attack) Cheney?

      Short memory there, bub.

      • JS

        And Bush, despite all the possible brain damage from alcoholism.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Buzzfeed on the Hillary discussion: “utterly ridiculous”
    *we learn utterly is her favorite word.

    What is utterly ridiculous is the media supported Hillary coronation parade.

    • Steve__T

      Why are you milking this cow?

  • toc1234

    Hey Tom, save time to discuss the NYT and their ‘war on women’..

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Fruit salad. General Vinegar Joe Stilwell had to serve in China/Burma* throughout WWII before he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. Decorations were more jealously guarded by the military establishment in the days of iron men.

    * Almost pointlessly trying to get the Chinese to fight the Japanese.

  • M S

    Please discuss the placement of the remains of victims of 9/11 in the museum; personally I feel it’s pretty callous.

  • OnPointComments

    A cartoon about the difference in the treatment of Tim Tebow vs. Michael Sam.

    • Ray in VT

      Tebow got drafted in the first round, despite having questionable ability as a down-field passer.

    • TFRX

      Another “why right winger editorial cartoons suck” example. And you can’t even tell Collins from Sam?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    They mean Net Neutering, don’t they?

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    SUV drivers argument is a straw man!

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Woman out. Black in. Who’s next? Lithuanian? Navaho? Midget?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    At least Raines wrote a fairly good book: Fly Fishing Through the Midlife Crisis.

  • William

    Tom, the Times fired her because she was a woman that dare challenge the old boys club.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    On average, men weigh more than women. Maybe it’s a $ per pound kind of thing. Or maybe men are just better negotiators than women. Or..

  • OnPointComments

    Shouldn’t Jill have been happy that she was making less, and leaving more money for those at the bottom of the NYT pay scale? It was her contribution to decreasing income inequality.

  • toc1234

    Jack – don’t forget the unequal pay at the White House!

  • Mina

    When I hear these glowing support comments for the VA – I think great for you and be thankful. But.. 1 life lost due to the incompetence of the VA is too many for those who served for us during war time. I feel these comments take the tone to easily dismiss what another vet experiencex. And isn’t there something about leaving no one behind on the battle field? Don’t dismiss or leave behind those who have experienced the less than acceptable care. They should have the best of the best care and Shinseki needs to go. If these problems have been around for years at what point does the buck stop?

    • anamaria23

      Certainly, these findings are not to be excused, but is the VA system now too huge and complex to be under one director especially when lives are at stake and when the care needed is so specialized? Perhaps there should be regional directors. The system seems too unwieldy with inability to co-ordinate all the moving parts.

      • Steve__T

        More than 200 Hospitals nation wide.

    • hennorama

      Mina — it is absolutely outrageous if the allegations about manipulating the data are true, especially if it was an open secret, and linked to added compensation for some VA employees.

      That said, the headlines and reporting, such as from the Weekly Standard (“at least 40 veterans died while waiting for treatment at one VA hospital in Phoenix”) leave out the answer to one very important question: Did these delays (assuming they occurred) contribute to the demise of these patients?

      Of course, we owe our veterans debts that can never be fully repaid, and the least we can do is care for their health.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The NYT hired her because she was a woman. But fired her because she was Jill Abramson. The Sorrows of Distinction Making.

  • Erma Sidelines

    re “Net Neutrality”
    All you need to know: both Wheeler (former head of the National Cable
    & Telecommunications Association) and Michael Powell (former head of
    the FCC, now CEO of the NCTA) delivered tag-team keynote speeches to
    the association’s annual gathering, Cable Show 2014, this week.
    Powell: “Because the Internet is not regulated as a public utility, it
    grows and thrives, watered by private capital and a light regulatory
    touch.”
    Wheeler: “The open Internet rules will be tough, will be enforceable,
    and, with the concurrence of my colleagues, will be in effect with
    dispatch.” Which is doublespeak for “hold off on the celebration — but
    don’t put away the party hats.”
    So: our former FCC chair shills for the industry; former industry shill
    serves as our current FCC chair.
    And once again, we, the unwashed, get smacked in the face by the
    revolving door.

    • tbphkm33

      The People should demand that Wheeler resigns.

  • MrNutso

    I don’t defend men making more than women, but did Abramson sign a contract and agree to a salary? Perhaps she should have done some more research on salaries, and if the information is not available, perhaps it should be.

    • hennorama

      MrNutso — your “Perhaps …” sentence reads much like the Lily Ledbetter scenario, wherein she was paid less than men in same/similar positions, but didn’t find out about it until she was close to retirement.

  • X Y & Z

    I wonder if Joe Biden is going to get on the Hillary 2016 bandwagon?

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      They’re going to put his front teeth in place of the radiator grill on the front of the Hillary limo. Hoober Doober

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    People w. $$$$$$$$ don’t care about catching up. They profit from stasis. And they get to decide.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    A locker room for the men. And one for the other guy. Go RAMS!
    Maybe they should consider changing their mascot.

    • Ray in VT

      Jake Long said that Michael Sam’s sexuality won’t be an issue in the locker room. Quite a few players have made similar statements, although a few have indicated that they feel otherwise.

    • Ray in VT

      Maybe it was Chris Long.

    • nj_v2

      Please, Disqus, give us an Ignore-selected-screen-name function.

      • Guest

        I’ll second that!

  • JGC

    My 2013-2014 NHL Award predictions: Sidney Crosby gets the Hart Memorial Trophy, Tuukka Rask gets the Vezina, and Milan Lucic takes the Lady Byng.

  • nj_v2

    [[ This on top of the fact that she was already somewhere between Bob Woodruff and Gabby Giffords, given that her brain has been infected with librulism for her entire life. ]]

    The forum’s right-wing clown posse drops to ever lower levels of odiousness.

  • X Y & Z
    • tbphkm33

      I find those numbers misleading – taking the total budget and dividing by the number of pupils. By that measure we could say, “US Drivers: $67,438 Per Driver, 83% Not Able to Pass Driving Exam.” Basing the number on a division of total amount spent on roads in 2013 and dividing by the number of drivers.

      • TFRX

        I find them misleading also.

        Didn’t CNS”news” tip you off?

        • tbphkm33

          LOL – you don’t think the “Conservative News Service” can be impartial. You are probably 100% right.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    From the front page of today’s Times of London. Trying to maintain the phony 97% consensus is become very difficult.

    “Scientists in cover-up of ‘damaging’ climate view”

    “Research which heaped doubt on the rate of global warming was deliberately suppressed by scientists because it was “less than helpful” to their cause, it was claimed last night.

    In an echo of the infamous “Climategate” scandal at the University of East Anglia, one of the world’s top academic journals rejected the work of five experts after a reviewer privately denounced it as “harmful”.”

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/science/article4091344.ece

    • Ray in VT

      Claims of repression. Sounds like a conspiracy. Of course one should note that the person making the claim recently chose to associate himself with an organization that has of late churned out cherry picked “research”. Perhaps objections were raised if the claimer’s work was seen to be in the same vein.

      One should note, in addition to who is making the claim, where the claim is being made/reported: namely in a Murdoch outlet. I mention this due to the slant against climate science noticeable in other Murdoch outlets, such as Fox News.

      Fuller reviewer comments can be found linked here:

      http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/may/16/murdoch-media-hypes-lone-climate-denial-big-oil

      The reviewer in part says:

      “Summarising, the simplistic comparison of ranges from AR4, AR5, and Otto et al, combined with the statement they are inconsistent is less then helpful, actually it is harmful as it opens the door for oversimplified claims of “errors” and worse from the climate sceptics media side.”

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Dr. Roy Spencer opines on latest bullying efforts by the climate “team”.

    “I think we might be seeing the death throes of alarmist climate science. They know they are on the ropes, and are pulling out all the stops in a last ditch effort to shore up their crumbling storyline.”

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/05/the-bullying-of-bengtsson-and-the-coming-climate-disruption-hypocalypse/

    • Ray in VT

      Did he call the people who disagree with him Nazis this time, or is that just for special occasions? Of course there can’t be man made global warming. God wouldn’t allow it.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Did Dr. Spenser ever say “there can’t be man made global warming”?

        Why make things up?

        http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/04/skeptical-arguments-that-dont-hold-water/

        • Ray in VT

          He is on the Board of the Cornwall Alliance. That group’s statement regarding global warming is as follows:

          “We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history.”

          Dr. Spenser signed onto that very scientific statement. It does not seem to have a place for the role of humans in there.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Read my updated post with Spencer’s direct words on the subject — much better evidence than association and innuendo.

          • Ray in VT

            A better reflection than the words of a statement that he signed onto? If this is not his view, then why did he sign the “Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming”?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            No idea. I have no idea what it is and have little interest in it. I’ll stick to science, thank you very much.

          • Ray in VT

            You’ll stick to science? Just so long as it is “skeptic” endorsed, like the cherry picked GWPF “research” on climate sensitivity? Also, if you are taking your science from those holding thoroughly unscientific positions, such as the statement quoted above, then one should certainly question not only your sources, but also your judgement.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            The post I linked had no mention of God.

            There are many brilliant scientists who are highly religious. Your attempt to distract and make false statements is weak at best .

          • Ray in VT

            My co worker is a fervent believer in God as well, yet she has made no mention of Him today, so her religious beliefs surely aren’t influencing anything that she has said today.

            Your ability to disregard the questionable beliefs of people whose views you adhere to is likewise noted. Shall I also conclude that the climate “skeptics” who don’t believe that smoking causes cancer are also above reproach, or even questioning, as their unscientific views don’t in any way affect how and why their positions on climate change have come to stand very much in opposition to nearly every reputable climate scientist out there?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Again more distractions.

            So I should ignore Isaac Newton because he a theologian and extremely pious? I guess that calculus stuff I learned must be crap.

            And who is saying smoking doesn’t cause cancer?

            The the piece de resistance is “opposition to nearly every reputable climate scientist out there”. That is a completely bogus statement. The warmist “team” is shrinking every day unless you consider those who leave the “team” as no longer reputable like the aged Swedish scientist above.

            Notice how very few are joining the “team”. The exodus is one way.

          • Ray in VT

            Of course, the crackpot views of “skeptics” are of no concern. There’s room in the “skeptic” crowd for every sort of nut. Why disregard Newton’s work? It works out. The work of most of the “skeptics”, much of Spenser’s included, doesn’t. But that’s only when compared against all of those scientists who are either too ignorant or corrupt to see the real truth about climate change, right?

            I think that it was Frederick Seitz, of the Oregon Petition fame, who worked for the tobacco lobby and denied the role of smoking in cancer. S. Fred Singer of Heartland alleges conspiracies afoot regarding the EPA and supposed harms of second hand smoke. Probably no reason to doubt his work, given his questionable views.

            Oh yes, more claims that the consensus is falling apart. That’s been the tune for some time it seems. Maybe that’s why the “skeptics” tout every single person of any sort of reputation whom they can even get close to. The exodus indeed. One 80ish year old scientist this week. In another hundred years they’ll have a few dozen such people perhaps. For now, though, they’ll just have to rely on their secretly funded think tanks and their shoddy or deceptive research, plus the gullibility of a particular segment of the population that is committed to the idea that government can’t do anything in this arena. They seem the most susceptible, which is probably why one will never see these types leaving the “skeptic” camp. They’re too committed, despite any evidence to the contrary.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            You are correct to say they “are too committed to leave”. Except that it applies to the core of the warmist “team”. They are invested in their theories and haven’t been able to react responsibly to the observational data. The good news is more time with the observational data is bound to cure the clingers.

          • Ray in VT

            It’s pretty hard to deny the observed changes, not matter how hard the deniers try. Some will likely hang on no matter what.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Hmmm. I see skeptics questioning post facto temperature record “adjustments” — almost all to increase last century warming.
            I’m keeping an open mind but it seems reasonable to review these changes to make sure they “got it right”.

            However, when the surface temperature record shows a clear pause in warming; many of the warmists are the ones in denial. Note, that the satellite record for the lower troposphere where no adjustments are needed, the pause goes back the longest — about 17.5 years.

          • Ray in VT

            Ahh yes, of course. They’re just monkeying with the temperature records to make history match their claims. Yet another conspiracy that is afoot. Perhaps we can convene a panel of online “experts” to keep track and comment upon the validity of such changes by the people at places like NOAA or the NCDC, as these adjustments surely aren’t being made after reviews and processes that ensure that such changes are valid.

            Who is denying a slow down in surface temperatures, although one can get some flat lines or even declines if one wants to cherry pick a starting point for no particular reason except that it gets one the result that one wants. However, surface temperatures are only part of global heat, and one can claim “no warming” if one wants to discount ocean warming.

            Hmmm, I think that your claim that “no adjustments” being needed in satellite readings has historically shown to not be the case, as readings were shown to be previously flawed and showed more warming after corrections were made. Of course satellite readings from the lower troposphere are only one slice of data that goes into climate measurements, but if one is inclined to ignore the other measurements that climate scientists factor in in order to get a complete picture, then one can get there from here.

      • tbphkm33

        You know, it is true – ignorance knows no bounds. I feel worried for “Worriedforhisownuntruths.”

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    U of Queensland threatens extortion to hide unauthorized release of data that will thoroughly debunk the phony 97% climate consensus paper.

    Isn’t science about transparent release of the data? Amazing that a publicly funded university will conspire to hide the data.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/15/university-of-queensland-threatens-lawsuit-over-use-of-cooks-97-consensus-data-for-a-scientific-rebuttal/#more-109318

    • tbphkm33

      How’s that denial working out for you?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        How is ignoring the topic at hand working out for you?

      • William

        Guess which group is getting on the Titanic because the experts said it is unsinkable?

        • jefe68

          The GOP of course. And they will be in first class hobnobbing with 1%.

      • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

        I’m REALLY beginning to hate the Democratic party as much as I hate the Republican party!

      • pete18

        As long as we’re using cartoons to debate.

        • northeaster17

          400 parts per million. Thats a fact. Look it up

          • pete18

            Yet global temperatures remain flat, despite over a 10% rise in carbon dioxide levels since 1995. Look it up.

      • Coastghost

        Scientists and applied technologists are particularly well-placed to agree on the perceived metrics of Technogenic Climate Change, insofar as our sciences and applied technologies are responsible for fomenting and creating Technogenic Climate Change.
        That our scientists and technologists have also fomented durable skepticism regarding their dire and portentous claims stems directly from the tacit understanding that they created the conditions for Technogenic Climate Change. Why trust them now to cure what they created and what their sciences signally failed to predict?

  • X Y & Z

    Obamacare is a jobs-killer.

    Look for economic growth to continue decline (0.1% in Q1) if Obamacare is not repealed.

    • Ray in VT

      Is that why the economy has gained almost 800,000 jobs so far this year?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        And 806,000 left the labor force in April alone.

        • Ray in VT

          The LFPR is the same now as it was 6 months ago, and there are a variety of factors driving the long term decline:

          http://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/re/articles/?id=2419

          Much of it having been driven by retirements and people staying in school longer. As we have moved further away from 2008 those leaving as discouraged workers has largely dried up.

          • hennorama

            Ray in VT — obviously, those lazy good-for-nothing retirees should be working, and not lazing in their Social Security “hammock.”

            And those dang kids! What is their problem? Don’t they know that a job is better than college? They need to get out of their parents’ houses, and go to work in the Bakken oil fields!

          • HonestDebate1

            That’s silly, it’s Obamacare.

          • northeaster17

            The Republicans have offered nothing that would be a plausable alternative to the ACA that would improve our decrepit health care system. Nothing except empty verbage and empty votes.

          • HonestDebate1

            Of course that is not true but even if it were, so what? Obamacare is still a disaster.

          • Ray in VT

            Sure it is. Care to provide some evidence to support such a contention?

          • HonestDebate1

            Yes, and six months ago it was at a forty year low. It’s nearly 3 percentage points lower than when Obama took office.

          • Ray in VT

            Wipe the anti-Obama hate from your eyes and look at the facts contributing to the long term decline. Of course, it is probably just easier to rail against Obama than to reason using facts, so that is what I expect you to do.

        • StilllHere

          It’s understandable that so many are so discouraged that they no longer expect to find a job in this Obummer economy.

    • hennorama

      X Y & Z — Such a fact-free post. Well done.

      As previously stated, in reply to you,

      F Y & I:

      G D & P, and employment are not equivalents.

      Regarding the supposed “jobs-killer”:

      B L & S data (Preliminary) from the Establishment Survey indicates that total nonfarm employment increased by 569,000 employees in Q1 alone!

      B L & S also reported that there were 4.0 million job openings on the last day of March 2014.

      One supposes all those employers with open positions disagree with your nonsense as well

      See:
      http://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.nr0.htm
      http://www.bls.gov/ces/cesbtabs.htm

    • StilllHere

      You make a valid point, time will tell.

    • hypocracy1

      Quick! Have the House vote on it…

  • Pleiades

    I find the last caller holding the same observation I do about Michael Sam. In reality Mr. Sam recogonizes his footbal liabilities, and that is why he is accepting these media opportunties to enrich himself NOW.

    Mr. Sam will not be in the NFL long and will find himslef a footnote instead of Hall of Famer.

    • HonestDebate1

      I agree, I just don’t see the interest. It seems like he’s getting it while he can. I can’t remember ever seeing a draft pick kiss their mate on the mouth. It’s a circus.

  • tbphkm33

    LOL – what an idiotic statement – there’s been volcanoes in the Antarctic for millions of years. Hmm, now, suddenly they are melting the ice cap – how convenient.

    FYI – Antarctic is the south pole, you might have meant to say “Arctic” which covers the north pole and is all water.

  • TFRX

    I don’t know how much American TV media you consume, but Jon Stewart has exactly the proper tone to respond to much of it.

    Stewart started on a pitch of “can’t we all come together”. He told the right- and left-wing Crossfire hosts “You’re both destroying America”.

    A few years later he realized that all the “commonality” was being done by the left being compromising.

    The upshoot is a regular feature, gone back to often by dint of necessity, about “Bulls–t Mountain”– i.e. Fox news and the right wing advocacy media.

    What’s unhealthy is getting the news from the Scott Pelleys, Lester Holts and Diane Sawyers and thinking one is informed.

    • HonestDebate1

      He’s a comedian, it’s the comedy channel.

  • TFRX

    Even the right-wing Times can blossom this turd.

    • hypocracy1

      Operation American Spring!! HAhAHAhAHAHAHAHA

    • hennorama

      TFRX — it seems clear the “organizer” is delusional, as this part of the linked item confirms (emphasis added):

      Initial projections were for between 10 million and 30 million to come from around the nation and converge on the downtown capital city streets outside the White House and Capitol Building — a number the organizer of the event, Army Col. Harry Riley, called optimistic yet doable, given one million militia had already agreed to come.

      • TFRX

        I hope Col. Riley is retired. And not wearing my country’s uniform while doing this crap. Because at some point this becomes treason and sedition, no?

        As an aside, he sounds like the bizarro world version of McClellan (the Union general who was forever wildly overestimating his opponents’ troop strength).

        • hennorama

          TFRX — According to BeWorseInfest.com and WeirdNutsDaily.com, Col. Riley is indeed retired (since 1992), after a long (over 30 years) career in which he received multiple medals. He was in Military Intelligence and the NSA, and had various other assignments, including in Vietnam.

          In other words, he is a former government employee, and he has been suckling from the Federal mammaries ever since.

          Nice connection to the recent show on General Lee, BTW.

          • TFRX

            Hey, I watched Ken Burns’ The Civil War. Didn’t everybody without cable (and most with) at sometime in the last 2 dozen years?

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    For years I considered myself a Democrat but WILL NEVER vote for Hillary. EVER! We need Rand Paul.

    • tbphkm33

      If you are informed about Rand Paul – I am 100% sure you never were a Democrat.

      • brettearle

        It usually is a typical syndrome of those who call themselves either Independent or Converted Libertarians….how, for years, they considered themselves Democrats.

        And then they saw Light.

        [Translated: They became more successful and cared more about money and less about people.]

        • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

          You are both grossly misinformed. I am a left-libertarian.

          This means I disagree with corporate personhood, abhor the idea of giving unlimited power to corporations, and strongly disagree with cutting social programs that help the poorest in the country.

          Having said that, Left Libertarians also believe in personal liberty, individual rights, sovereign citizenship, binary economics, cooperative corporations, property rights, sound money policies, abolishing the federal reserve in favor of a treasury bank, employee-owned firms, national sales tax, abolishing the IRS, business education for the lower middle class, nationalizing the oil refineries, raising the minimum wage, etc etc etc.

          Before you spout diarrhea from your mouth, I encourage you to educate yourself on what you are actually talking about!!!

          Left-Libertarian IS the FUTURE!

          • brettearle

            You don’t need to prove your false credentials to me.

            Even if you didn’t support Messianic Ron Paul, I would have offered you Kaopectate, for your own use.

            Although I doubt that it would have helped.

            Your advocacy of `certain issues’ don’t hide what’s under the sheep’s clothing.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            You are more of a moron than I previously thought. WOW! You are really ignorant and narcissistic. STFU.

            I don’t have a CENT to my name and I don’t accept ANY government assistance. You know NOTHING about me…

            But you are clearly great at making assumptions… Stick your tail between your legs and go hide in shame.

            How do you like them apples?

          • brettearle

            The more salvos you throw my way, the more dignity I gain, by watching you lose yours.

            As a matter of fact, I am tempted to append a thumbs up to your comment above–because your own comment has aided and abetted, gravely, your own capacity to put yourself down.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            ???

          • brettearle

            I don’t accept your apology.

            I prefer that you continue the Insults.

            Because, if you do so, it does nothing but to make you out to be even more of a Creep.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Make out???

          • StilllHere

            Just don’t say anything bad about his messiah, he’s an Obamapologist of the highest order.

          • brettearle

            A very serious, misguided, hopelessly distorted perception of my views….

            Very troubling indeed.

            Earth to StillHere….Earth to StillHere….

            …..are you still here?

      • TFRX

        I think the phrase we’re waiting to here from that sort is “Some of my best friends are Democrats!”

  • X Y & Z

    The Obama Jobs Doctrine

    Keep Americans unemployed long enough so that they stop looking for work and the unemployment rate drops.

    • brettearle

      There isn’t any question that the 2007 Bush II Economy–where Credit Default Swaps was the Fare & Practice of the Day–has nothing to do with a still-faltering Economy.

      There isn’t ANY question that it…..is…..all….Obama’s…. fault. Fully and Completely.

      I wholeheartedly concur. No question about it.

      The more blindly you scapegoat the President, the worse you come across….

      • X Y & Z

        Keep believing in your false-reality, bankrupted, liberal propaganda,

        it saves you from having to think on your own, which is clearly a problem for you.

        • brettearle

          By your definition, thinking on one’s own, means being a knee-jerk, abysmally misguided Right Winger

          • X Y & Z

            No, it means not believing the lies of a failed and incompetent President, as you do.

          • brettearle

            You just proved my point.

          • Guest

            The business cycle, which has been proven to last from one year to as long as twelve years, has several inputs contributing to its duration. One of those inputs is the central bank. Since the presidency is only one input, among many, acting on the cycle, no president can be wholly responsible for any period of prosperity or recession.

      • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

        Ummm. No…

        The business cycle, which has been proven to last from one year to as long as twelve years, has several inputs contributing to its duration. One of those inputs is the central bank. Since the presidency is only one input, among many, acting on the cycle, no president can be wholly responsible for any period of prosperity or recession. This is macroeconomic fact.

        There is still time for you to enroll at your local community college.

        • brettearle

          The ugliest part of your misperception of my sarcasm is your sickeningly self-centered agenda–that strangely and malignantly misses the entire mark of the statement.

          Do you have the Guts to ask the 3 people who gave me a thumbs-up–if you misunderstood my comment?

          My guess is that you do NOT have the guts.

          Why?

          Very simple.

          You are much TOO Narcissistic to do so.

          Your comment, just above this one, demonstrates that you have made….

          …..An Utter, Utter FOOL Of
          Yourself….

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            I understood it perfectly. I just find your sarcasm repugnant. So I ignored it. It’s more fun to lecture you anyway.

          • brettearle

            Your comments, on the Forum are not simply self-serving, they are shamelessly narcissistic.

            The majority of people who see your efforts, on the Thread, regard you as a self-deceptive Fool.

            And it is nowhere more apparent, than in your comment above.

            However, there is an outside chance that, based on your last comments, above, Things, for you, may be even worse than I thought.

            You may have stooped even lower–right down into a frenzy of sick and gratuitous manipulation, of the lowest order–all in
            service ……

            …….to a badly, badly damaged and fragile ego.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            For your sake, I hope you’re right.
            Look at the alternative!

            Projection? Transference? Grasping in the dark out of desperation?

            It’s good for the ego to realize there is someone smarter or stronger. Just use it to your advantage. Humility is a virtue after all, my friend.

            LOL.

          • brettearle

            Yet, again, proving my point….

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            “My” point.

            This “I”, “MY”, ownership, sense of ego, narcissistic sense of self IS the very OBSTACLE to you achieving the thing you want to achieve, which is the intelligence that COULD defeat me.

            As long as you are attached to this sense of self, you will remain inferior.

            I’ve spent YEARS overcoming and subjugating my own ego.

            Keep practicing, buddy.

          • brettearle

            Me thinks the banal Derelict doth protest too much. Much, Much too much [drivel] .

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            You are a piss-ant.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            “My” point.

            This “I”, “MY”, ownership, sense of ego, narcissistic sense of self IS the very OBSTACLE to you achieving the thing you want to achieve, which is the intelligence that COULD defeat me.

            As long as you are attached to this sense of self, you will remain inferior.

            I’ve spent YEARS overcoming and subjugating my own ego.

            Keep practicing, buddy.

            Your brilliant point was that most others on here view me in a particular light.

            You are assuming how the majority of people who read my efforts may feel.
            SO, that is an absurd statement. THAT is narcissism. An assumption based on YOUR feelings.

            The only point I have proven is MINE.
            You are desperate. And you are boring me.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Your brilliant point was that most others on here view me in a particular light.

            You are assuming how the majority of people who read my efforts may feel.
            SO, that is an absurd statement. THAT is narcissism. An assumption based on YOUR feelings.

            The only point I have proven is MINE.
            You are desperate. And you are boring me.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            And what point is that – that you KNOW how most of those who read my “efforts” feel about me???

            And you are claiming that this “point” of yours in-and-of-itself is NOT narcissistic???

            I think you need to do some more research, buddy. You clearly have no idea what narcissism actually is…

            You are assuming how others feel about me, based on your own feelings.
            That’s narcissism.

            I stopped feeling sorry for you though.
            I have a policy. I don’t mind arrogance or ignorance by themselves.

            But arrogance and ignorance together, such as you have displayed, is tedious.

            Have fun contributing essentially nothing.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            For your sake, I hope you’re right. LOL.

            You will never be able to defeat me in any kind of debate.

            Learn humility and let it be a virtue.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Your brilliant point was that most others on here view me in a particular light.

            You are assuming how the majority of people who read my efforts may feel.
            SO, that is an absurd statement. THAT is narcissism. An assumption based on YOUR feelings.

            The only point I have proven is MINE.
            You are desperate. And you are boring me.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Assuming how others may feel about me IS narcissism, Brett.

            LOL.

    • ExcellentNews

      Uh… I thought these Americans were supposed to get jobs in the private sector. After all, we keep hearing from Bush, Romney, Rubio and the rest of the corporate shills that “gover’mint has never created a single job”.

      Oh… I get it. Obama is OPPRESSING the private sector. This must be why corporate profits hit a historically unprecedented level in 2013 and why the CBO study estimated that over 15 TRILLION dollars have been deposited in offshore accounts since 2000.

  • Cacimo

    Miriam Elder works at Buzzfeed or is buzzed? Based on her analysis sounds like the later.

  • hennorama

    Samuel Walworth — Hour 1 of Monday’s show is scheduled to be about:

    Modi’s India

    Historic elections in India. We’ll go deep on the results and what they’ll mean for India, the world and the US.

  • hennorama

    Shegqi Xiong — thank you for your response.

    Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the word satire, which is Mr. Stewart’s and The Daily Show‘s shtick.

    For your convenience:
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/satire

  • nj_v2

    ^ Possible head injury, too. Better get checked.

  • JGC

    HD and I found last year that you can only refer to our former straight-shooting vice president as “Richard” Cheney, no nickname, without being cast into Disqus purgatory. I also had a problem recently with a post that mentioned the “V” word.

    • hennorama

      JGC — remember, you can always use the “C”word in place of the “V” word.

      (I wonder if anyone else knows what either of us means here)

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    Left-Libertarian IS the FUTURE!

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    It’s always SO funny to me how political analysts say things like, “So-and-so should be accurate about the statements they make. Hillary was in the hospital for 3 days not 30. we need to be careful about what we say.”

    It’s politics! If you can’t handle the heat – get out of the kitchen! The business of politics is the business of dishonesty, PR and deal-making! Lying and attempting to smear your opponent’s reputation is a INTRINSIC part of it! Rove WAS very careful and calculated about what he said! You think Hillary has never lied???

    Don’t hate the player hate the game!

    • TFRX

      Really? All that right-wing crapstorming gets Karl Rove’s every shart revered as the tablets Moses brought down from the mountain and you say “Political analysts shouldn’t point out when Karl Rove is lying”?

      This from the same media which made up lies to jeer at Al Gore and John Kerry?

      Your naivete shows that you really are a Libertarian.

      • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

        On the contrary, I think it’s incredibly naive to think the media has the public’s best interest in mind when they point out “dishonesty”.

        Are you THAT blind that you can’t see how the entire system is rigged?

        It’s naive to think one can be in the public eye at all and get away with telling the truth!

        Even Snowden has avoided leaking the vast majority of state secrets he stole.

        Your banal stupidity, arrogance, and narcissism shows you are barely more intelligent than an Orangutan.

        • TFRX

          Big boys?

          Don’t assume. You’re making an ass out of you and you.

          Q: Why is it Libertarians are always feeling their “power” when a Dem is in the White House?

          A: Because the GOP has let them out of their collective cage.

          • jefe68

            Why bother with this troll?

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            You are so pathetic and borderline brain dead, the best you can do is repeat the buzzword socially acceptable insult that has been legitimized as a label for anyone online you find unpleasant to deal with.

            Honestly, knowing your pea brain is likely to offer no unique insight whatsoever to this forum, how can you justify participating?

          • StilllHere

            He’s some sort of nasty postbot, you would do well to ignore.

          • jefe68

            How old are you? You exhibit the mentality of a 14 or 15 year old boy with “issues”.

            You did not like my comment so you post BS. It’s typical and a sign of what one would define as an internet troll.
            You do the same with anyone who disagrees with you or who post anything you don’t deem the “correct” answer to whatever it is you think you are doing.
            (Witness the post to TFRX)

            Then you get all high and mighty start calling people pea brains or worse and then expect to be taken seriously. What’s interesting is one is not sure if you’re taking the piss when you make comments such as: “My superior brain power grows bored of the tedium of dealing with lesser intellects, such as yours” Really? And you want people to take you seriously?

            As to insight? Well if you posted anything worth having an insight on then one would do so.

            It’s telling that the other long time right wing troll on this forum, who seems to have the record for being the nastiest of all the right wing extremist, likes your juvenile point of view.

            Truly you do seem to be very immature and pathetic.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            LOL

          • TFRX

            Submitted without comment.

            I yield the remainder of my post to you, as you’re doing a better job of insulting yourself than I could.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            As the resident Alpha, I graciously accept your submission.

          • brettearle

            He’s beyond rehab.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Don’t take this the wrong way, but you are boring me…

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Yawn…

            I sincerely urge you to do some more research.

            I am LEFT Libertarian.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

  • Don_B1

    Why don’t you just be grateful that you live in a country where you can earn that kind of income and have safe access to places to spend what you want of it.

    Then think of how much more of the goods and services that you produce could be sold if the middle- and lower-income workers here earned a few dollars more an hour, and how much more income that would give you.

    But no, just keep complaining instead of going out and using your great intelligence to adapt to the new conditions, which is what capitalism is supposedly all about. It is supposed to be adaptable and creative, and good for everyone, not just the 1% so don’t object to leveling the playing field for those with low income.

    Your rant could be viewed as crying out, “poor me, poor me, I just can’t keep on ripping off the rest of the country for my own advantage as I just have a right to keep earning money at rates above my contribution to making the country work. Just because provides a great infrastructure (or less so since President Reagan) does not mean I should have to make a contribution to maintaining it.

  • twenty_niner

    One chart that’s on a nice upward trajectory is the number of brand-new cars sitting fallow in a parking lot somewhere. GM’s channel stuffing reached an all-time high this month:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/04/GM%20channel%20stuffing.jpg

    The trend is worldlwide. Google-image “unsold cars”.

    http://www.vincelewis.net/unsoldcars.html

    • hennorama

      twenty-niner — this so-called “channel stuffing” by GM amounts to about one month of the number of vehicles they are selling. GM sold a bit over 2.4 million vehicles in Q1 of 2014.

      And some of the other images of “brand new cars sitting fallow” are from auto manufacturing facilities, ports and rail centers.

      In other words, not terribly unusual.

      In addition, the weather affected a number of retailers, including Walmart, which reported a decline in US same-store sales in Q1.

    • StilllHere

      It does seem like there is a trend that seems to confound the forces of lower GM market share, just-in-time manufacturing and reduced number of dealers.

  • HonestDebate1

    Congratulations to 2014 Children’s Choice Book Awards “Author of the Year’, Rush Limbaugh!

    • ExcellentNews

      From the Web: Conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh won the Author of the Year award at the Children’s Choice Book Awards for his book Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims: [....] Although the book has never been a critical favorite — one review accused it of “disdain for even the most rudimentary standards of storytelling” — it has been an enormous commercial success.

      LOL. That explains it. It’s simply the marketing dollars of Rupert Murdoch making more dollars for Rupert Murdoch, with some of it trickling down to Rush Lardough. The book is hilarious BTW. Rush Revere? A horse called Liberty??? Is that the same horse that’s fighting against NET NEUTRALITY and helping the NSA spy on Americans?

      • HonestDebate1

        It’s charming, don’t hate.

      • northeaster17

        That man could not have written that book. We need to find the ghost author.

    • Steve__T

      I’m sure he wrote it just for you.

      • HonestDebate1

        It’s a little heady for me but I like the pictures.

    • TFRX

      Hahaha.

      You’re just one more conservative who can’t count votes.

      But executive director Robin Adelson of the Children’s Book Council and
      Every Child a Reader, nonprofit organizations that co-founded the awards
      seven years ago, acknowledged Thursday that adults could easily vote
      and vote multiple times, a problem not uncommon for Internet
      competitions.

      http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/rush-limbaugh-wins-childrens-book-award-23729095

    • Ray in VT

      Well, most kids like people who operate on the same level that they do. Of course most of them don’t know enough yet to spot the historical inaccuracies. Give them time. They’ll figure it out.

  • peoplepower

    Rubio and his followers does not believe the science. So what else is new with the fundamentally stupid? Remember, the earth is flat and at the center of the universe, and that cigarettes are good for you and are in no way linked to cancer. Simpletons cannot understand complex issues, and prefer to follow simple explanations spewed by charlatans and those determined to control the masses. This type of thinking assures a very nice future for this world power and preserves the land of the free. I can rest peacefully now!

  • peoplepower

    Our free media does a wonderful job! It reads talking points stupendously! And it has fantastic memory for someone suffering of a severe case of Alzheimer’s. Our journalists constantly forget to review previous linked stories when reporting current events.

    Regarding the VA, have we forgotten that not too long ago there were training sessions in how to obfuscate the application process for our veterans needing medical attention? What happened to those VA officials and their superiors? Did they just change tactics, and created false books?

    Out government continues that wonderful idea of doing things on the cheap; i.e.: start a war on the cheap and expect success; provide medical care to our wounded veterans on the cheap and expect great results. This
    idea continues to work great, as long as we keep our head buried deep in the ground, and our free press keeps pouring more manure on top to make sure it stays there.

    • ExcellentNews

      What do you mean, “war on the cheap”??? George W Bush and his conservative base successfully LIBERATED over 2 TRILLION dollars of public funds, which are now peaching out in the Cayman Islands accounts of crony contractors and foreign despots.

      Oh! Did you mean that any of these money would go to the soldiers??? What a quaint, liberal, socialist idea. Once the photo-ops with Mitch McConnel or Rubio are done, the limelights go off and the lobbying for inheritance tax cuts begins…

  • hennorama

    To all 80-something white guys with racist tendencies, who should have learned from Donald Sterling’s example:

    Do not speak your uncensored thoughts, especially any time you’re out in public.

    From the WaPo article titled “Police commissioner asked to quit over Obama slur”:

    Political leaders in a New Hampshire town have officially joined residents in demanding the resignation of a police commissioner who uttered a racial slur about President Barack Obama.

    Wolfeboro Town Manager David Owen posted a message Friday on the town’s website calling on Robert Copeland to resign the post to which he was re-elected in March. In the post, Owen said Copeland’s comments are “appalling” and called on him to save the town further embarrassment.

    AND

    A resident said she overheard Copeland use a slur a restaurant in March and wrote to the town manager. Copeland, in an email to her, acknowledged using the slur in referring to the president and said he will not apologize.

    “I believe I did use the ‘N’ word in reference to the current occupant of the Whitehouse [sic],” Copeland said in an email to his fellow police commissioners. “For this, I do not apologize — he meets and exceeds my criteria for such.”

    Source:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/officials-to-police-commissioner-resign-over-slur/2014/05/16/dc432b5e-dd20-11e3-a837-8835df6c12c4_story.html

    • tbphkm33

      There are morons and their supporters everywhere.

      • hennorama

        tbphkm33 — indeed, but this particular cohort has been in the news of late.

        Of course, they’ll be “aging out” sometime in the relatively near future.

    • brettearle

      This guy lowers the bar on the literal definition of the word `creep.’

      As a matter of fact, it is incumbent on OED’s Editors to publish an addendum, immediately, citing Copeland as the new word meaning’s progenitor.

    • brettearle

      C’est incroyable.

    • brettearle

      Are you sure Copeland isn’t the GM, for the Clippers, working, at the weighty direction, of 280 Pound Sterling?

      • TFRX

        “280 Pound Sterling”?

        Never heard that, but my kneejerk reaction to any wordplay that sounds British is positive.

        • brettearle

          TY.

    • OnPointComments

      A majority denounces this overt racism. Another type of racism receives support from many liberals.

      REX MURPHY: CHECK YOUR BIGOTRY
      http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/17/rex-murphy-check-your-bigotry/

      Excerpt:
      They seem especially convinced that every white person is a bundle of unearned advantages, owns a place purely because of his/her skin colour, and wanders through life with a Free For Me Pass simply because daddy and mommy, and their daddy and mommy, were white.

      It’s astonishing. Could there be a better definition of racism, a better example of a purely racist concept, than this, the holding that all a person does and is springs from the colour of his skin?

      The entire notion is called “white privilege.”

      It is a direct effort to impose guilt where gratification should reign. It is to make those who work hard, try to conduct themselves responsibly, who apply themselves to study, feel that none of these attributes, none of their honest effort, has earned them success.

  • nj_v2

    Domestic terrorism:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas

    Spitting, Stalking, Rape Threats: How Gun Extremists Target Women
    Welcome to the dark side of America’s war over guns.

    “…What happened to Longdon in Indianapolis is part of a disturbing pattern. Ever since the Sandy Hook massacre, a small but vocal faction of the gun rights movement has been targeting women who speak up on the issue—whether to propose tighter regulations, educate about the dangers to children, or simply to sell guns with innovative security features. The vicious and often sexually degrading attacks have evolved far beyond online trolling, culminating in severe bullying, harassment, invasion of privacy, and physical aggression. Though vitriol flows from both sides in the gun debate, these menacing tactics have begun to alarm even some entrenched pro-gun conservatives.”

    …Some of them approached Longdon. “You know what was wrong with your shooting?” one said. “They didn’t aim better.” Another man came up, looked Longdon up and down and said, “I know who you are.” Then he recited her home address. The harassment continued, and the men showed up throughout the program, a Phoenix police official involved confirmed to me.After a fundraiser one night during the program,

    Longdon returned home around 10 p.m., parked her ramp-equipped van and began unloading herself. As she wheeled up to her house, a man stepped out of the shadows. He was dressed in black and had a rifle, “like something out of a commando movie,” Longdon told me. He took aim at her and pulled the trigger. Longdon was hit with a stream of water. “Don’t you wish you had a gun now, bitch?” he scoffed before taking off.”

    (excerpts)

    • hennorama

      nj_v2 — thanks for sharing this.

      It is rather amazing and sad how “brave” some fools can be when they are confronting a woman in a wheelchair.

  • JGC

    On the VA problems, many interesting insights from Bob Brewin at nextgov.com, on various aspects which can be picked up from his twitterfeed https://twitter.com/BobBrewin

    • hennorama

      JGC — thanks for sharing.

      This is far off the topic of your comment, but I particularly enjoyed this title from Mr. Brewin:

      “DID CAT LITTER PRECIPITATE THE NUCLEAR WASTE DUMP FIRE?”

      He linked to the very interesting original story in the Albuquerque Journal, here:

      http://www.abqjournal.com/399534/news/cat-litter-at-center-of-latest-wipp-theory.html

      Guess that’s one possible downside of using organic products — they might melt material in your nuclear waste drums.

      Thanks again.

  • X Y & Z

    Gallup: Only 25% Satisfied With Direction of Country

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/gallup-only-25-satisfied-direction-country

    75% of the country isn’t satisfied with 0.1% economic growth from Q1?

    • ExcellentNews

      In a rational world, the statistics would be:

      – 0.01% are extremely satisfied and peachy with the continuation of Bush economic policies thanks to a gerrymandered Congress. Predatory bankers, job-exporting CEOs and conniving contractors are still piling billions in offshore accounts.

      - 99.99% are mad as hell at the gutting of the middle class by and for the global oligarchy.

      Of course, we do not live in a rational world. In this world, there is a large number of uneducated people who watch Pox News and believe our problems come from gay marriage, the lack of school prayer, or from not having nuked Iran.

  • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

    All you partisan folks on these forums, I have a respectful question:
    At what point did you realize you leaned one way or the other – Democrat or Republican? And what factual data did you have to support your case?

    (Warning: the business cycle, which has been proven to last from one year to as long as twelve years, has several inputs contributing to its duration. One of those inputs is the central bank. Since the presidency is only one input, among many, acting on the cycle, no president can be wholly to responsible for any period of prosperity or recession.)

    • jefe68

      After you have shown that you have little or no respect for people who post on this forum, you have the nerve to ask for it?
      You seem more interested in getting reactions, not insight.

      • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

        The big boys are having a real conversation. Go elsewhere.

        • jefe68

          “The big boys” Really? This the language you use and then you expect people to take you seriously?

          When people have to keep on going on about how smart they are, and how they are smarter than everyone else, it’s usually a sign of one of three things.

          One, that they feel inadequate that they have keep reminding people of their intelligence, which is really belligerence that they mistake for intelligence.

          Two, that they are suffering from a mental disorder that creates delusions of grandeur about who they think they are.

          Three, they are egomaniacs(see two) who might be smart, but are immature and unable to express themselves as a rational adult. It could be a combination of all three, who knows. Whatever it is you seem to have it in spades.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            YAWN… Boring!

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Yawn… Boring!

            I never asked for respect. I OFFERED respect to those who were interested in having a conversation about partisanship. Your comments are unrelated and merit their own thread.

            In order to have an adult conversation, you may have to be potty trained first. If you want to be sodomized by farm animals, that is your prerogative and has nothing to do with me.

    • ExcellentNews

      Since the “election” of George W. Bush The Third. As someone who long ago fled communist dictatorship, I was leaning to the “right”, and was a strong supporter of people like Reagan and Bush Sr. And my switch has nothing to do with economics, which have been very good for me regardless of who’s President.

      It has to do with the hypocrisy I saw in the “New Right” (or “Southern Right”) that has been in power since the late 90s thanks to big money and brainwashing the masses. Seeing the propaganda during 2000-2004, I thought with disgust – this is just how the Communists gangsters twisted words to justify their power grab.

      Since then, I’ve been pro-democrat, because there is no way I will ever support the cabal of corporate cronies and fundamentalists who call themselves Republican.

      • jefe68

        Personally I think both parties cow-tow special interest. Which is why our nation is fast becoming an oligarchy. That said the GOP has become the party of craziness.

        As this piece of work, Gary Kiehne, who is running for a congressional seat in Arizona is a good example of.

        http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/05/18/3438967/shootings-democrats-arizona/

        • OnPointComments

          A rare photograph taken just before the cow-tow…

          • jefe68

            Funny, but well deserved for my silly typo.

  • X Y & Z

    The Toll Of 5 Years Of Drone Strikes: 2,400 dead

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html

    IMPEACH BARACK OBAMA FOR HIS WAR CRIMES!

    • hennorama

      Oh Dumber, FKA “Jay,” FKA “(Un)Informed American,” is that you?

  • Coastghost

    Speaking of drones: why is no one proposing a domestic flight moratorium to ALL drones (commercial and security) until at least c. 2025?
    Once fleets of commercial drones take to American skies, unless action is taken, surveillance drones with new data collection capabilities will be flying among them virtually undetected, collecting information for secret dissemination. (I can’t say I’d be surprised to learn that stealth drones are already operational.)
    If we insist ahead of time that EVERY drone feed be perfectly capable of being “public”, we would be in position to agree on what it is we want to be able to see from drone platforms. Without any assurance that every drone data feed is subject to automatic public review, there is no telling what kinds of mischief will ensue, no telling what kinds of data will be collected.

  • hennorama

    Dr. Ben Carson was on Meet The Press today, and did not acquit himself very well, in my view.

    Here’s an exchange about Carson calling the PPACA “the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery” and that the PPACA “is, in a way, it is slavery…”

    Carson first winced (that’s my personal interpretation; he may simply have unusual facial expressions) as host David Gregory introduced a clip of him saying so, then nearly denied having said it (emphasis added):

    DAVID GREGORY: But you have certainly put government on trial, in a way. Here’s one of the things you said about the Affordable Care Act that raised a lot of eyebrows. I’ll play it.

    DR. BEN CARSON (ON TAPE): You know, Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. And it is, in a way, it is slavery, in a way. (WHISTLES, APPLAUSE) Because it is making all of us subservient to the government. And it was never about health care, it was about control.

    GREGORY: People who have health care now who didn’t have it before, I suspect would disagree strongly with you. But I wonder, in addition, is that really how you want it to be defined, how you want to put government on trial, in effect, in a political way?

    CARSON: Well, first of all, recognize what I said, “worst thing since slavery,” [I didn't] say that it was slavery. People who are well read and particularly who have–

    GREGORY: But you said it is slavery, in a way, because it is making us all subservient to the government.

    CARSON: Right. And–

    GREGORY: That’s what you said.

    CARSON: And I said, “In a way.” In a way, anything is slavery that robs you of your ability to control your own life. And when you take the most important thing that you have, which is your health care, and you put that in the hands of government bureaucrats, I think you have done the wrong thing.

    And as I was about to say, you go back and you look at the neo-Marxist literature, and look at what they say. You don’t have to listen to what I say about taking control of health care of a populace and making the people dependent. This is not what America is about. Do I believe in health care for everybody? Absolutely. But I think there are much better ways to get there, which leave the care in the hands of patients and of doctors.

    Sources:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-may-18-2014-n108466
    http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/carson-talks-obamacare-slavery-n108381

    Now, let’s see how Dr. Carson’s words can be used as a soundbite, à la “You didn’t build that.”:

    Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.

    It is slavery.

    In a way, anything is slavery.

    • jefe68

      Dr. Carson did not do well and Gregory is one of the more right wing of pundits. That show is hard to watch no matter who he has on as guests.

      • HonestDebate1

        “…Gregory is one of the more right wing of pundits…”

        Fascinating. I assume you’re sincere. Before he got the gig, Gregory was a pit bull leftist White House correspondent. He was a total blowhard partisan. He has no where near the objectivity Russert had. Not even close. NBC is no longer credible. ABC misses David Brinkley. Scheiffer has always been a hack. Fox is the only Sunday show worth watching.

        • brettearle

          Censored.

        • jefe68

          Gregory was never left wing, never.
          Of course your view of this is based on what you think is left and what I think of as left and progressive. My bet is you would view most mainstream news outlets as “left wing”.

          • HonestDebate1

            Hilarious! He’s a rabid ideologue. If you don’t see that then I’m not going to try and convince you. He’s tanking in the ratings because of his one-sidedness not because of a mental disorder.

          • jefe68

            I never said he was “rabid ideologue”.
            His track record as moderator of Meet The Press seems to me to show him to be pretty right of center. He constantly uses GOP talking pints on his show and hardly ever challenges anyone on the right.
            Of course in the case of Dr. Carson he had to do something as Carson was so out to lunch.

            Funny how you get all bent out of shape when you think people are putting words in your mouth, but somehow you feel it’s fine to do it to others. What’s that called?

            Oh… hypocrite.

          • HonestDebate1

            No, I said he was a rabid ideologue. He is.

          • 1Brett1

            Like that leftist, progressive, socialist Obama? [NOT]

            Considering HD sees Obama as being ideologically so far to the left, when he is at the most a centrist, you and I must be somewhere between anarchists and communists.

          • jefe68

            Well I know I am. I even have union members in my family.

        • TFRX

          In what world is Dancin Dave Gregory a leftie?

          • hennorama

            TFRX — in Sir Nobler Than Thou’s realm/world, of course.

            Anyone who was named the “Best White House Correspondent” by Brent Bozell’s Media “Research” Center, as Mr. Gregory was, can be “a pit bull leftist White House correspondent” and “a total blowhard partisan,” only in Sir NTT’s Bizarro Worldview.

            In marked contrast to Roberts and Moran, NBC White House correspondent David Gregory offered fewer biased reports and even achieved some balance on stories on the estate tax repeal, income tax cuts, and campaign finance reform.

            Thus the competition is settled; for coverage of Bush’s first 100 days, Best White House Correspondent goes to NBC’s David Gregory, Worst White House Correspondent to CBS’s John Roberts.

            Source:
            http://archive.mrc.org/projects/bush100/welcome.asp

          • HonestDebate1

            Are you kidding me?

    • John Cedar

      I don’t believe that Obamacare is the worst thing that has happened to this nation since slavery. But when I think of all the comments I have seen in these fora, which have referred to service industry wages as “slave wages”, it kind of makes me wonder if you have “selective outrage”.

    • brettearle

      Is Carson touched?

      There might be better ways to build a better mousetrap.

      But to bring comparisons to slavery into the Equation?

      That is ideological zealotry to an inane Degree…. .

      • hennorama

        brettearle — TYFYR.

        You might certainly think so, but as I am not a health care professional, I couldn’t possibly comment.

        OTOH, as I recall, Dr, Carson has some violence in his past, including threatening his mother with a hammer, over his wardrobe.

        As to his comments about the PPACA, and how bad it is (in his mind), and comparing it to slavery, they are of course completely inane and groundless.

        For example, Dr. Carson considers Obamacare to be worse than:

        - 4 Presidential assassinations
        - 2 World Wars
        - The wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan, et al
        - The Cold War
        - The Great Depression
        - The Great Recession
        - Myriad natural disasters
        - 1 Presidential resignation

        Etc., etc.

        In other words, he has no sense of perspective.

        Thanks again for your response.

        • brettearle

          Thanks.

          Did he imply all that above or did he say it?

          This is Nutz.

          The wardrobe thing is almost–no, scratch that, it is–beyond the Pale.

          How did the Threat go public, I wonder. [Polizei Report?]

          • hennorama

            brettearle — TYFYR, and YW.

            All of the words quoted in my post were spoken by David Gregory and Dr. Carson on Meet The Press. The (ON TAPE) quote was from last October, if memory serves.

            Regarding the list, that’s my own compilation, but anyone with even an inkling of knowledge could compile it, and much more, “since slavery.”

            As to Dr. Carson’s violent past, I pulled it from memory, as I had read a great deal about him when he first entered the national spotlight. But you can confirm it, and other violent events in his past, including nearly stabbing someone to death, and other of his life’s details, here:

            http://www.biography.com/people/ben-carson-475422

            Thanks again for your response.

        • 1Brett1

          So, I guess the bad things that have happened between the time of slavery and now are (in order of severity):
          1) Slavery
          2) the ACA
          3) Other stuff not slavery or the ACA

          I wonder if Carson might be a savant of some kind: freakishly gifted neurosurgeon, intellectually disabled otherwise?

          • hennorama

            1Brett1 — TYFYR.

            Dr. Carson seems to be one of those professionals who have been very successful in a narrow field, and who believe that personal success means that all of their thoughts are wonderful and should be revealed to the world, so that the world may benefit from their “insight.”

            It takes a rather outsized self-confidence to be a surgeon of any sort, and one suspects that is even more true for a neurosurgeon. Such outsized self-confidence may be in effect in regards to Dr. Carson’s political views, but he seems simply to have wandered far, far beyond his ken.

            Thanks again for your response.

    • 1Brett1

      I saw that…I wouldn’t go to Carson for a medical condition, no matter how respected he is in his field; he just seems off, even beyond the kind of “off” stemming from being ideologically-blinded.

      • hennorama

        1Brett1 — TYFYR.

        As Dr. Carson is retired, you no longer need worry about your conception of him “being off,” as far as being one of his patients.

        As to his political views …. well, there’s not much more to say about someone who compares things to slavery.

    • TFRX

      In Carson we find that yet another conservative wanders out of his hothouse and finds that the real world is a meaner place than he’s led to believe.

      • hennorama

        TFRX — thank you for your response.

        Dr. Carson is in a weird feedback loop, in which the crazier his words are, the more positive attention they receive from those around him.

        One also must consider the effect that the National Draft Ben Carson Committee raising nearly $2.4 million in the first quarter of 2014 has on Carson’s ego, combined with the fact that he seems to think God is calling him.

        Here’s Dr. Carson, from last December, with emphasis added:

        Carson told Hannity in December, “If the circumstances were to evolve in such a way that [running for president] seemed to be what God was calling me to do, I would certainly do it. And I would never turn my back on my fellow citizens, if there was a hue and cry for such.”

        Source:
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/17/the-draft-ben-carson-super-pac-raised-a-massive-amount-of-money-over-the-last-three-months-how/

        Thanks again for your response.

        • TFRX

          Nah, don’t mention it.

          I have a lower tolerance for the gasbag shows than you do. THanks for watching so I get the gist of it without having to subject myself to it.

  • X Y & Z

    Report: Up To 90,000 Nevada Residents Could Lose Health Insurance Policies Due To Obamacare

    http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/report-up-to-90000-nevada-residents-could-lose-health-insurance-policies-due-to-obamacare/

    “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it”. (Barack Obama)

  • OnPointComments

    Fool me once, shame on me; fool me twice makes me a Democrat. Democrats are pushing for the easing of lending standards so that people with inadequate credit history and credit scores can buy a house. Haven’t they tried this before?

    OBAMA TO LOOSEN LENDING STANDARDS TO BOOST HOME OWNERSHIP. WHAT COULD GO WRONG?
    http://www.aei-ideas.org/2014/05/obama-to-loosen-lending-standards-to-boost-home-ownership-what-could-go-wrong/

    After a near-depression and worst-ever financial crisis that cost the US economy as much as $14 trillion, one might think Washington would be careful to avoid repeating the same policy mistakes. One might think, for instance, Washington would think twice and then thrice before loosening mortgage lending standards to boost home ownership, particularly among low-income borrowers. Because, you know, loosened mortgage standards seem to have played some role in helping set the stage for the catastrophic mortgage meltdown.

    • hennorama

      OPC — thanks for bringing up this important topic.

      Of course, it’s also important to note that nothing has yet changed.

      One also should be concerned about companies targeting veterans, such as “New Day USA,” which is running commercials saying this:

      “Refinance up to 100% of the value of your home and
      take out the cash you need in as little as 30 days.”

      AND

      “NewDay USA starts by asking how we can help our Veterans and their families achieve financial security by:

      Providing up to 100% of your home’s value in as little as 30 days

      Saving our customers an average of over $8,000 per year

      Helping you build a plan towards financial freedom”

      See:
      https://newdayusa.com/

      • Steve__T

        No need to see, I can smell it and whew that stinks!

    • John Cedar

      That financial crises was caused by AIG, Wall Street and Countrywide, in a smoke filled room. They came up with a plan and tricked the government and home owners into it.

      • jimino

        Hey, you’re almost correct about something!

        Actually they had lots of help from those in government. It was an inside job done by those you mention, and their numerous unmentioned colleagues, along with their government lackeys.

        All you have to do is follow the money.

  • OnPointComments

    Politico reports that New York Times executive editor Jill Abramson was fired by NYT publisher Arthur Sulzberger because she lied to him.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/arthur-sulzberger-jill-abramson-new-york-times-106796.html

    Upon hearing that Jill Abramson is an accomplished liar, rumor has it that she was immediately hired to fill the slot of White House Press Secretary Jay Carney when he resigns.

    • X Y & Z

      Hiring a new Press Secretary isn’t going to make a bit of difference. The Obama Presidency is a failed Presidency, no amount of lies and propaganda coming out of the Obama White House can change that.

      • brettearle

        Johnny-one note strikes again.

        • 1Brett1

          And, unfortunately, that one note is flat!

          The neocons seem to be multiplying like mosquitos on this forum! Or maybe it just seems that way because they have many of the same qualities as mosquitos?

          • X Y & Z

            Check the facts Bert, you’ll find that you are wrong again.

          • 1Brett1

            We all know you are a punk/troll (and so’s your sister, LMNOP), but are you resorting to making fun of people’s names now? Did you think of this when you were stuck in detention hall yesterday afternoon?

            As far as your reply, you’re asking me to “check” facts when my comment was an opinion…it figures you would have great difficulty discerning the difference between the two.

          • X Y & Z

            I’m really sorry for misspelling your name.
            That won’t happen again Betty.

          • 1Brett1

            One expects such childish games coming from you. So, you hide behind a ridiculous moniker and you hide behind petty, infantile commentary…You reveal so much pathetic mentality in so few words

        • X Y & Z

          Thank God I’m smart enough not to support a President whose drone strikes have slaughtered 2,400, many of them women and children.

        • TFRX

          Why do you insult Rodgers & Hart by comparing their song to our inhouse alphabetic jackwad? :-)

  • OnPointComments

    In answer to the question posed in the editorial, I’m not surprised. I knew they were lying all along.

    EDITORIAL: GOING ‘ROGUE’ AT IRS
    http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/opinion/editorials/2014/05/editorial_going_rogue_at_irs

    Excerpt:
    Well it turns out that the targeting of all those Tea Party groups by the Internal Revenue Service was indeed being orchestrated out of Washington after all — thus disputing White House accounts that it was just the work of “rogue” agents in some back-shop operation in Cincinnati.

    Really? Is anyone surprised?

    The treasure trove of new documents includes an exchange of letters between U.S. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), chairman of the subcommittee on investigations, and top IRS officials, including then Deputy Commissioner Steven Miller, in which Levin presses for more aggressive action against conservative groups — pleas that grow more urgent as the 2012 presidential election nears.

    It was a perversion of the system. But then we knew that. The new evidence simply confirms it.

    • hennorama

      OPC — what nonsense.

      “It was a perversion of the system” that any political groups, pretending that they are “social welfare organizations,” were allowed tax-exempt status.

      • OnPointComments

        Thank you for letting us know of your opposition to freedom of speech and freedom of association, enforced through selective persecution of some organizations, and your support of using the IRS to punish those who have political views with which you disagree.

        • hennorama

          OPC — nonsense on top of nonsense.

          Well done.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            It really seems like it takes the lot of you way too long to figure out what the conversation is even about!

            I feel like I am surrounded by idiots here.

          • hennorama

            Alchemical Reaction — thank you for your response.

            Please, reveal all to us, Other Omniscient One.

            A remark about you being surrounded by mirrors feels a bit over the top here, so nonesuch will be forthcoming.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            Nice one.

        • 1Brett1

          I didn’t realize it was a constitutional right to be exempt from paying taxes purely because one wishes to spread one’s ideology!?! Thanks for sharing your expertise. You’ve probably been asked this before, but are you a constitutional lawyer/professor or merely an amateur scholar?

          Were these so-called social welfare organizations actually “persecuted”? Or are you just waxing a bit poetic? Oh, and by the way, certain organizations with liberal ideologies were also “persecuted,” if that helps to heal hurt feelings of “persecution.”

          Also, is it me or is it a true cheap shot to accuse hennorama of opposing free speech? And, do you really think hennorama feels the IRS should be used to punish those who form conservative organizations? Or is that more “flair” on your part?

          I fear I’ve made an awful faux pas, here, OPC, now that I think about it; I have overlooked your inimitable off-beat humor, once again! As they say, “hahahahaha!”

          • hennorama

            1Brett1 — thanks for the mentions, and your implied support.

          • OnPointComments

            Are you really that dense, or are you feigning ignorance for entertainment value? Suppose the circumstances were reversed, and conservative organizations were allowed to organize as tax-exempt 501(c)(4)s, but liberal organizations were not given the 501(c)(4) option, or could only achieve 501(c)(4) status if they met onerous standards to which conservative organizations were not subjected. Do you think the freedom of speech and freedom of association of liberal organizations would be impaired compared to conservative organizations? Further, let’s suppose that if a liberal organization applied for 501(c)(4) status, the organization would be subjected to abusive questioning and document requests (What are the contents of your prayers? Send us all of your Facebook postings. What books are your members reading?), and long delays of years before ruling on the exempt application. Would this meet with your approval? Or would you conclude that it is fundamentally unjust when laws and rules are not applied impartially, as is the case with the IRS tactics that were used against conservative organizations?

          • 1Brett1

            I can’t decide if you’re a humorist, love fantasy, or are just generally delusional. Also, those conservative organizations were not unduly subjected to “onerous standards.”

            By the way, those conservative organizations were not denied their tax-exempt status, they were just scrutinized (as they should have been).

            And, since you are so up on what transpired, you would know that liberal organizations were subjected to the same “onerous standards,” as you call them.

            Should those applying for tax-exempt status not be scrutinized?

            As long as you are presuming to know how I’d feel about some imaginary scenario: I think any organization applying for 501c4 status should be carefully scrutinized.

          • pete18

            Are you arguing over the facts or what the facts mean?

            If it was clear that the conservative groups were being treated differently than the liberal groups in being assigned tax exempt status, would that be a problem for you?

          • jimino

            Do need no supposin’ or creating of straw-man scenarios. The facts are that an unprecedented number of right -wing political entities were trying to get tax exempt status to which the law did not entitle them. And the agency tasked with making sure it didn’t happen did its job.

            You don’t oppose the rule of law, do you?

          • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

            I agree with you completely on this one…

            But there is one caveat. Politics is politics, been going on since antiquity.

            Both sides levy cheap shots, any way they can. Neither is innocent of low blows.

            So, my question is, how do you select this one issue and ignore the thousands of other issues in which either the Dems or Republicans have committed crimes to further their agenda?

            Why focus on one thing to the exclusion of the rest of the circus?

      • pete18

        nice spin.

      • TFRX

        You had me (snickering) at “Boston Herald Opinion”.

    • brettearle

      Do you know why the WSJ hasn’t picked this up?

  • OnPointComments

    On the network news, they just showed another person holding up a placard.

    THE NARCISSISTIC CREED
    When preening replaces thinking, our ability to engage in responsible self-government is diminished.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/378228/narcissistic-creed-kevin-d-williamson

    Excerpt:
    Slavery in Nigeria, the occupation of Ukraine, whatever: It ain’t about you, Sunshine.

    The “Bring Back Our Girls” campaign, directed at the fanatical Islamist slavers in Nigeria, has inspired selfies from U.S. senators and the wife of the president of these United States, while State Department spokesman Jen Psaki, the Pippi Longstocking of the diplomatic world, took to Twitter to photograph herself with a “United for Ukraine” placard. To confront the heinous crimes of Boko Haram, a U.S. senator has many options…The U.S. State Department has many tools at its disposal for confronting the expansionist tendencies of Vladimir Putin.

    The selfie is not among those tools.

    Imagine, if you can, the abjectly juvenile state of mind necessary to contemplate the hundreds of Nigerian girls taken into slavery by a fanatical Muslim anti-education militia — whose characteristic activity beyond slave-taking is setting fire to children — and, in the face of all that horror, concluding: “You know what this situation really calls for? A cutesy picture of . . . me!”

    But please, if you actually care about the world and the human beings who inhabit it, stop — just stop — subordinating girls taken into slavery in Nigeria to the satisfaction of your ego. Go read a book. This is not about you.

    • TFRX

      A placard about “Get government out of my Medicare”?

      • harverdphd

        Let’s pass it to find out what’s in it.

    • jimino

      I didn’t click the link. Is it about a group of teabaggers holding up signs about what they oppose?

  • JGC

    Time for your daily Benghazi, people:

    WASHINGTON-(The Borowitz Report)– Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is an evil genius capable of masterminding the most elaborate cover-up in U.S. history and is also a frail old woman with brain damage, leading Republicans charge on Sunday.

    • hennorama

      JGC — it is quite odd how Sec. Clinton’s critics cannot make up their mind as to which line of attack to take at this point.

      One wonders when they will run out of spaghetti to throw at the wall.

      • 1Brett1

        Even your marginal cooks know that throwing spaghetti against a wall to see if it sticks is not an accurate way to determine if it is properly cooked.

        • hennorama

          1Brett1 — good point. How about this then:

          One wonders when they will run out of spaghetti mud to throw at the wall Sec. Clinton.

          • 1Brett1

            Well, they are mudders and fodders…

        • TFRX

          My dogs say it’s a good strategy.

          Of course, I don’t like eating spaghetti when it’s been on furniture. Are they trying to trick me?

          • 1Brett1

            Sounds like your dogs have you wrapped around their proverbial little fingers like so much spaghetti wrapped around a table lamp finial…well played, dogs!

    • 1Brett1

      Some conservatives, even on this very forum, have suggested that Sec. Clinton is a fall down drunk…of course, they also say that about the President, even suggesting he was passed out, blind drunk, the night of the Benghazi attacks.

      • jefe68

        It’s about faming them as incompetent and at the same time spreading lies and false information.
        That’s how the right rolls these days. What’s really funny is if you call them on it they get all huffy and puffy. That said I’m not huge fan of Hilary Clinton but I don’t think she has ascended to the position in the political arena by being a fall down drunkard. Those days are long gone.

      • TFRX

        I thouight that saying any current Dem is a “falling down drunk” was too much a reminnder of the dry drunk W.

        But hey, Politico says that that’s a winning political strategy, so who am I to know?

  • OnPointComments

    “President Obama will host the White House Healthy Kids and Safe Sports Concussion Summit…’The president will announce new commitments…about how to identify treat and prevent concussions…,’ White House spokesman Jay Carney said.”
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/05/16/obama-concussions-football-white-house-summit/9178645/

    Democrats expressed outrage over the suggestion that concussions can cause brain damage.

    • harverdphd

      Hillary was never that smart to begin with, but there’s probably not much change after her anoxia.

      • TFRX

        Lessee, there’s Jack Kemp, he of the eleventy counted (and how many uncounted).

        He was the right’s VP candidate.

        And Richard (Sheer Heart Attack–but nobody asked) Cheney, who was VP (while actually pulling the strings.)

        Yeah, trollbot. Let’s play this game.

  • Ray in VT

    Interesting study regarding the changing movements of tropical cyclones:

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140514-cyclone-hurricane-north-climate-science/

    Atlantic storms appear to have not moved much, however.

    • http://alchemicalreaction.blogspot.com/ Alchemical Reaction

      They HAVE TO send hurricanes to L.A. It is the only recourse they have for dealing with the drought.

  • hennorama

    UPDATE:

    WOLFEBORO, N.H. —A police commissioner in Wolfeboro under fire for using a racist slur when talking about President Barack Obama has resigned.

    Source:
    http://www.wmur.com/news/wolfeboro-police-commissioner-verbally-resigns-over-racist-slur/26055940

    • TFRX

      Really, do we want an apology from him?

      I picture it being like a recalcitrant six-year-old being made to apologize to a neighbor for a transgression: The next step after making him apologize if for his parent to explain “Now apologize like you mean it”.

  • HonestDebate1

    So President Obama knew nothing about “Fast and Furious”or the NSA, IRS and VA scandals until he saw them on the news. Terrific. And when he saw them he got mad. He was angry when the website didn’t work and had no idea why. He can’t write code you know. And he really thought you could keep your plan. And dang that global warming for making to so cold GDP froze at zilch.

    Poor President Obama, he’s trying as hard as he can,

    • Ray in VT

      He should have just given Mother Nature a call and changed the weather, just like he could have brought Yanukovych into the NATO fold with a simple phone call. His power is truly limitless.

      • HonestDebate1

        No it’s not, he’s helpless. He has no control over anything and doesn’t even know about it until he sees it on the news. No one is more angry than he.

        • Ray in VT

          It’s amazing, then, that he can keep so many vast conspiracies moving at once. The man is both amazingly powerful yet somehow not at all. Truly a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

          • 228929292AABBB

            Wake up. We all had high hopes. We’re all disappointed. The first step is to admit the problem.

          • Ray in VT

            I am fine with admitting problems and disappointment. I do not think that that is an issue. However, when it comes to creating and spreading a bunch of bizarre conspiracies or baseless criticism, then I have a problem with that.

      • hennorama

        Ray in VT — Sir NTT (Nobler Than Thou) is merely parroting Bill O’Reilly or some other entity that received an email from Republican HQ:

        O’REILLY: Well, that’s troubling. The Republican Party put out an e- mail today listing all the times the President learned of important events through the media. The Associated Press says Mr. Obama learned of the IRS targeting conservative groups through news reports. Jay Carney himself said the President didn’t know about Fast and Furious until he saw it in the media. “USA Today” reports Mr. Obama did not know the NSA was spying on German leader Merkel until the story broke. And the President seemed to be caught by surprise about the Obamacare web site problems.

        Of course, here’s what Jay Carney actually said, which was quite specific (and which O’Reilly played a clip of just prior to the quote above):

        “If you mean the specific allegations that I think were first reported by your network out of Phoenix, I believe, we learned about them through the reports.”

        Source:
        http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2014/05/21/bill-oreilly-president-obama-losing-his-grip

        The idea of course is that the administration is clueless and behind the curve, and that a legitimate scandal, as the VA situations seem to be, when piled on top of the other Fauxtrages, makes the other non-scandals more believable and more legitimate.

        Apologies for interrupting your merry discourse.

        • Ray in VT

          No apologies needed. When new nuggets emerge I tend to assume that it comes from Drudge or some other such source. If one knows what sources to look for one can pretty much see it coming.

          It is amazing how the President can be both all powerful and extremely incompetent. Sort of like how those behind the conspiracy to make Obama President were able to manipulate him all the way to the top, beginning their machinations from or before birth, yet were so incompetent as to botch a fake birth certificate.

          • hennorama

            Ray in VT –TYFYR.

            Indeed.

            Similar loopy lines of attack are currently in place against Sec. Clinton, who was said to have both faked an injury in order to escape questions about the Benghazi attacks, and to be hiding brain damage.

            Of course, earlier in her career she was said to both have had an affair with Vince Foster, and to be a lesbian.

  • Regular_Listener

    I guess Sen. Rubio is giving voice to the new position of the far right. Since it is not really possible to keep denying the existence of climate change without looking like a nut, the new approach is to say that it is happening but is not human-caused. And if people are not responsible for it, then there is nothing we can do to stop it, right? Here comes climate change – hang onto your hat and pull up your trousers, especially if you live near a shoreline somewhere.

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