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School stabbings.  Ukrainian consequences. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius resigns. Computer heartbleed vulnerability. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

*With Guest Host Jessica Yellin.

Emergency responders gather in the parking lot of the high school on the campus of the Franklin Regional School District where several people were stabbed at Franklin Regional High School on Wednesday, April 9, 2014, in Murrysville, Pa., near Pittsburgh. The suspect, a male student, was taken into custody and being questioned. (AP)

Emergency responders gather in the parking lot of the high school on the campus of the Franklin Regional School District where several people were stabbed at Franklin Regional High School on Wednesday, April 9, 2014, in Murrysville, Pa., near Pittsburgh. The suspect, a male student, was taken into custody and being questioned. (AP)

Sebelius is out at HHS . More than seven million sign up for Obamacare. Her legacy? Uncertain. On Capitol Hill, the Equal Pay Act fails, again. The Ryan Budget makes it through a divided House. The Civil Rights Act turns 50. Jeb Bush talks immigration. Hillary Clinton dodges a shoe. At Fort Hood, President Obama offers comfort.  John Kerry warns Russia to back down on Ukraine.  Mass stabbing at a Pennsylvania High School.  Stephen Colbert lands a new gig. And the heartbleed computer nightmare.   This hour, On Point: the weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Guests

Julie Pace, White House correspondent for the Associated Press. (@jpaceDC)

Molly Ballstaff writer covering national politics at The Atlantic. (@mollyesque)

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From The Reading List

Associated Press: For Obama, Frustration In Comparisons To LBJ — “Perhaps no historical analogy irks the White House more than the comparisons between Presidents Barack Obama and Lyndon B. Johnson, two Democrats who occupied the Oval Office a half-century apart. Obama’s advisers bristle at the suggestion that the current commander in chief could break through congressional gridlock if only he could emulate Johnson’s hands-on approach to wrangling votes on Capitol Hill.”

The Atlantic: Can Clever Campaigns Save the Democrats in 2014? — “The key question may turn out to be how much 2014 resembles 2010, Republicans’ last big year—the Tea Party-powered wave that swept them into office at all levels nationwide. It’s clear that conditions are somewhat different now. The Tea Party, while still active, seems to have less clout.”

Wall Street Journal: Kathleen Sebelius to Resign Health Post – “Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who led the government’s troubled rollout of the 2010 health-care law, will step down, her spokeswoman confirmed Thursday, capping a rocky five years in the Obama cabinet. President Barack Obama was expected to announce on Friday that Mrs. Sebelius, 65 years old, will be succeeded by Sylvia Mathews Burwell, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, according to senior administration officials.”

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  • Fredlinskip

    Thumbs up to Sebelius!
    Quite a bit of pressure on her shoulders for a long time!
    She saw through the program long enough to help overcome disastrous launch and to reach the sign-up goals set by administration.
    Good to leave on a high note.

    Burwell sounds like a great successor as well.

    • Oh bummer

      Burwell is going to take over as the head of Obamacare?

      That would be the equivalent of being promoted to captain of the Titanic, after it hit the iceberg.

      • Don_B1

        The bill they opposed, back back last summer, was the equivalent of a bill that would have required all Walmart, General Electric, etc., or any other American company, to give up their current employer-based health insurance, and signup for insurance on the federal health exchanges. In other words, Tea/Republicans in the House of Representatives (Rep. Dave Camp [R, MI-4], Chair of the House Ways and Means Committee,introduced a bill just to kick up a dust storm by perverting the intent of the PPACA, which was NEVER intended to force workers with employer-supplied health insurance to have to move to the exchanges and was properly opposed by federal workers:

        http://mediamatters.org/print/blog/2013/08/02/fox-ignores-purpose-of-exchanges-to-manufacture/195210

        which shows that you are perpetrating a Republican SCAM, which I guess is not unusual.

    • pete18

      In celebration, Sebelius continued to take the 5th.

    • Markus6

      She did what politicians are good at. Spent a massive amount of our money ($500 million?!) recovering from her and other’s gross incompetence. And those supporting ACA did the same: Spent a massive amount of our money to subsidize tens of millions of people for legislation they screwed up.

      And we did what we’re good at. We’re the schmucks who happily pay for this, then congratulate them, then vote them back into office.

      We’re schmucks and they know how to play us.

      • Don_B1

        The cost of fixing the rollout could have been greatly reduced if Tea/Republicans had agreed to work to really fix the problems rather than obstruct it at every turn.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Pass the SOMA.

  • StilllHere

    With 50 million uninsured, 7 million signed up is success, especially when many of those already had insurance and no one knows how many will actually make the first premium payment?

    Would a guy have kept this job this long after such a debacle?

    • northeaster17

      Single payer would have solved the problem you so correctly indentified.

      • StilllHere

        Why? Something for nothing didn’t work so far.

        • northeaster17

          Who said anything about something for nothing?

  • Fiscally_Responsible

    “Sebelius, you’re doing a heckeva job…working 24/7…”

    • northeaster17

      What does George Bush have to do with Sebelius?

      • Fiscally_Responsible

        The work quality between Sebelius and Brownie was remarkably similar.

        • northeaster17

          A website rollout for a new program goes bad vs a poor performance with an established agency for a type of event that is not uncommon in the U.S. Not a good analogy.

          • HonestDebate1

            The website was the least of Sebelius’ problems.

        • TFRX

          I’ve won my standing daily bet to “find a Libertarian who doesn’t give a crap about the real world and pretends there’s no difference between the parties.”

          It’s such a regular source of income I may have to declare it on my 1040.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Who are you betting with? I have need of such easy money.

  • Oh bummer
  • HonestDebate1

    Here is the guy trying to unseat Eric Cantor. It’s hilarious, the guy reminds me of many commenters here who rail against Fox and the Tea Party but have no substance at all to back up their absurdity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00T9Vhj8NMc

  • HonestDebate1

    Just a reminder we still don’t know how many of the alleged 7.1 million were previously uninsured. The administration is not even keeping track of the number one stated objective. What a sham.

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    NPR’s Dina Temple-Raston Twitter handle @NPRDina explains who the terrorist bombers will likely be, when they will be caught and why her “Sources” are leaning that way.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=214_1366448950&comments=1

    • HonestDebate1

      That’s just awful journalism. I can’t believe we have to pay for it.

      I remember Tom Ashbrook during the Tucson shooting saying the “consequence” of Sarah Palin’s message was a bullet through the brain of Gabby Giffords. That’s how they roll.

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    It isn’t about paycheck fairness, its all about donations to the DNC from trial lawyers.

    FTA:
    The Paycheck Fairness Act also raises current caps to make the potential payouts from lawsuits much larger. Under existing law, victims of discrimination can receive back-pay for the earnings they were denied, and punitive damages of up to $300,000 when discrimination was intentional. The Paycheck Fairness Act would instead allow unlimited punitive damage awards, including for unintentional discrimination. This dramatically increases the motivation for both lawyers and employees to sue in hopes of a super-sized payout.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/04/08/equal-pay-tax-cuts-minimum-wage-column/7433171/

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    JESSICA YELLIN: “To your question ‘what could you do?’ First of all, couldn’t you just have them down here and refuse to let them leave the room until you have a deal?”

    BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States: I mean Jessica, I – I am not a dictator. I’m the President. So ultimately if Mitch McConnell or John Boehner say we need to go to catch a plane, I can’t have Secret Service block the doorway.

    – Exchange between Yellin and President Obama at his March 1, 2013 press conference.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/10/09/worst-bias-departing-cnn-reporter-jessica-yellin#ixzz2ya6X3GC3

  • HonestDebate1
    • TFRX

      Hahaha.

      Goober Gomert.

      Well, at least you’re not pretending for our benefit.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Hey, that’s Buddy to you.

      • HonestDebate1

        Just once it would be nice if you could refute who you attack, but noooo.

  • Ed75

    The evil Sibelius is gone. Allelujia! Whether she didn’t like being blamed for the whole thing, or whether she was asked to leave as a result, the president has lost a powerful evil force in his administration. Maybe she will repent before she dies.

    • J__o__h__n

      I didn’t know “Thou shall not botch a website.” was a commandment.

      • Ed75

        Now we know. But without her backbone, the whole thing might actually fall. It’s rare to see a publicly excommunicated Catholic, she is one.

        • JS

          Yes, but not pedophile priest? Doesn’t that call into question the whole process of excommunication? No blaming all priests, just the process.

          • Ed75

            There are many different kinds of sins, being a pedophile is a serious moral sin, of course (unless the person is acting under a compulsion with no free will, which is doubtful). Mortal sin is very, very serious, indicating death to the soul, revived in the Sacrament of Confession, but excommunication is reserved for specific crimes and sins that are public and endanger the faith of others (by insisting on teaching heresy), or publically supporting immoral practices, etc., where the Church has to act so people know where it stands. The theory now is kind of self-excommunication: if one commits certain sins, that are so serious, knowingly, then one has removed oneself from the community (until Confession), which is excommunication. The Church rarely uses public excommunication today.

          • JS

            But, according to you, they used it on Sibelius, but not pedophile priests or those who enabled them? Doesn’t that make the whole process ridiculous? How can we take it seriously when a pedophile priest, who raped little boys and girls, using their faith to keep them quiet, and was then protected by the Church, is not only not excommunicated, but still allowed to serve mass?

            I’m sorry if I go to far, but excommunication is a joke, used (or threatened) against political opponents of the church (Sibelius, John Kerry, etc.)

            Hopefully Pope Francis will clean house, and let the world know where the church stands.

    • Charles

      Evil?
      Come on, you don’t think that’s a little bit hyperbolic?
      Hitler, evil.
      Darth Vader, evil.
      Sebelius is a politician. She’s not leading genocide.

      • Ed75

        There are all kinds of degrees and kinds of evil, but I think she’s up there. When the partial birth debate was taking place she, as governor of Kansas, refused to place any restrictions on abortion at all, and protected Tiller and other late term abortionists. Her Bishop warned her, spoke with her, taught her, to no avail. Finally he had to publicly excommunicate her.
        And now she has administered a healthcare program that makes abortion available to everyone by mandate, and uses tax payer money probably to fund Planned P. and to build clinics. I have no idea what in her background has led her to such evil.

        • Charles

          You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but some of us don’t base moral valuations upon one’s standing in the Church.

          • Dshakes

            Yes, you base it on how many poor people you can exclude from health coverage. It’s wonderful that Repub governors are denying Medicare expansion to prove a political point and thereby kill people who can’t afford any other coverage.

          • Don_B1

            I take your response as a rebuke to Ed75, whose posting here supports more evil than most others, and his use of the word is hypocrisy in flagrante delicto!

        • TFRX

          “Partial birth abortion…”

          No more calls, please. We have a loser.

          Gonna side with the people who shot a doctor? Awfully Christian of ya, bub.

        • J__o__h__n

          Tiller needed to be protected from murderous extremists.

        • JS

          Judge much?

          • Ed75

            Only when I’m awake … the prohibition on judging refers to the final disposition of the person’s soul, which is only available to God, but we are capable of judging the actions.

          • JS

            Judge not, that ye be not judged. (KJV)

            Pretty clear cut. Why do you
            look at the speck in Sibelius’s eye, and ignore the beam in your own?

            She did not remove all limits on abortions. And abortions dropped about 12% during her term as governor, Her administration attributes the
            decline to health care reforms that Sebelius initiated, including “adoption incentives, extended health services for pregnant women…, sex education and… a variety of support services for
            families.

            So, initiating policies that help women, and lead to decreased abortions is evil now?

          • Ed75

            I can’t blame you for citing the above, that’s the public line of Planned P. and pro-choice people and it sounds good. I claim, though, that’s it’s not the reality. I would suggest the one hour video ‘Blood Money’ narrated by Alvita King (MLK’s neice), and also the books by Abby Johnson, a reformed former Planned P. clinic head, who describes Planned P.’s workings (I think it’s called ‘The Writing is on the Wall’, but I’m not sure.)

          • Guest

            I can’t blame you for citing Abby Johnson, that’s the public line of anti-choice people and it sounds good. I claim, though, that’s it’s not the reality.

            Wow, that’s really easy.

  • Ed75

    The movie Noah is beautiful and dramatic but has theological problems (the director didn’t just fill in a story):
    - The blessing passed from Adam to Seth and goes down to Noah, to Shem, and finally to Jesus, all eldest sons (except Jacob), very important, it couldn’t have been given to the daughters of Shem.
    - Noah is asked to do this explicitly because he and his family, as it says, are righteous, and he knows it’s not to save the animals (innocent of evil but still damaged by the disordering effect of sin on creation), so he wouldn’t think God’s plan was to end the human race.
    - Once they landed Noah sacrificed animals in thanksgiving to God. This is left out, it doesn’t fit. (They weren’t vegetarians either.)
    - That some angels tried to stop Adam and Eve from sin and then were punished by God for trying to help them – no. The holy angels followed God’s will and didn’t interfere in the testing of Adam and Eve, the fallen angels were the ones that tempted them (out of envy).
    - God comes out looking pretty bad, that he would punish the angels, that he would destroy the whole human race. Oh, well.
    As we enter Holy Week this week, we can ask why God allowed Adam and Eve to fall. One answer is so that his Son could re-create the world when he came, which he did in Holy Week.

    • Human2013

      What are you talking about? Try to stay in 2014 and not the myths of the ancient world. Why are you analyzing this story? You should spend your time analyzing the structural problems of our economy — thanks to “trickle down.”

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Do you believe that all knowledge is “modern” or just that history has ended?

        • Human2013

          No, I enjoy learning about the ancient world, but I see no utility in trying to make sense of a mythical story. I don’t ask my ten year old son to make sense of Pegasus or Medusa. These stories serve their purpose.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Your son might benefit form knowledge of the wisdom of the ancient world. If not Moses and Jesus maybe you can try Aesop and Confucius.

          • Human2013

            My son, in time, will learn about the great religions and their impact on humanity. What he won’t do, is spend time deciding if Hollywood accuratley potrayed “Noah.”

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Indeed. But our sons often surprise us.

      • Ed75

        To say the Noah story is an imagination is to take one specific position toward it. As part of the Bible, it is inspired by God, so: it’s true, it is a foreshadowing of Christ, and it’s instructive for us in faith and morals. (It might be mythic in that it’s a myth of the Jewish people, it might not be historical, but I would bet on it’s being historical in some sense since every culture seems to have a destruction by water myth in their mythology.) In spite of these major theological problems, it was very well made and acted.

        • J__o__h__n

          It isn’t historical. Religions all recycle the same themes.

          • Ed75

            Recycle the same themes … interesting. On the one hand, with the one God, one would assume that religions would agree on some basic things. On the other, the Aztec religion of human sacrifice was quite different.
            From a Catholic point of view, the pagan religions were meant as a preparation for Christ, and they showed man’s natural desire for God. The Jewish faith is unique in the way this nation was prepared by God and how God used them (he intended the whole nation, not just the few) to bring the truth to the rest of the world.
            You might listen to the program of Marcus Grodi on EWTN on Mondays at 8:00, he talks to one person who has converted to Catholicism from another faith, usually Protestant, one sees many differences in theological understanding.

    • J__o__h__n

      The Wizard of Oz, Mary Poppins, and the Hobbit didn’t exactly follow the books. I’m outraged.

      Why shouldn’t god look bad? His actions in the Old Testament are monstrous.

      • TFRX

        Don’t ask me how I know, but in the Oz books the slippers are silver.

        Some will say that MGM totally ignored the important Free Silver metaphors from the source materials.

        • J__o__h__n

          I actually like the movies of Wizard of Oz and Mary Poppins better than the books. The movies of the Hobbit aren’t as good.

          Supposedly the free silver metaphors were made up later and not part of the author’s intent.

          • TFRX

            Yeah, there’s some discussion about that.
            But nobody’s waving it around in a doctor’s office like the Bible.

            The Wizard of Oz movie deserves its place; there’s nary a wrong or needless line reading or camera shot in it. It’s almost as perfect as “Casablanca”.

            (Mary Poppins–not my taste. And I never read the Oz books.)

      • Ed75

        From how I see it, God is wonderful in the Old Testament. It’s like a father teaching a child discipline, it seems harsh at first. Can you give me an example of what you find horrible?

    • TFRX

      “As we enter Holy Week…”

      What do you mean “we”, white man? This isn’t one of your Catholic church boards.

      (h/t Tonto)

      • Ed75

        Funny. True, not all are Christian, but the world enters holy week, some just don’t participate.

        • TFRX

          Keep projecting.

          I’m sure your God loves that on you.

        • J__o__h__n

          I like chocolate bunnies.

          • keltcrusader

            at least they are a representation of the real reason we celebrate Spring. Eggs & bunnies = rebirth of the Earth

          • TFRX

            Shh!

            Ixnay on the agan-pay!

            Some of that sort get snippy about it.

          • keltcrusader

            lol

  • Human2013

    It’s time for a new civil rights bill. Are our civil rights violated when employers pay slave wages?

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      It’s time for a new civil rights bill. Are our civil rights violated when all of American is declared a War Zone? There is no civility in Government that authorizes the indefinite military detention, without charge or trial, of any person, including an American citizen, and applies the “Law of War,” to U.S. soil, making the United States legally a battlefield.

      http://pandaunite.org/aboutus/#Q99FQKltd64fjHAh.99

    • Coastghost

      The dangers of inflated rhetoric: I don’t much think slaves ever get paid wages . . . .

      • Human2013

        You’re right, but they were housed and fed — more than we can say for our current slave holders. Call it what it is!

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          Have you heard of food stamps and medicaid?

          They exist.

          • Human2013

            Exactly my point, the slave holding corportations don’t pay enough for food, health insurance of housing.

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            Pay Grocery Baggers $18/hr with full Medical and watch the economy self-destruct.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        FTA:
        Brandon Spikes, the former New England linebaker who is now with the Buffalo Bills, hammered his old squad on Twitter Wednesday, describing his time under Bill Belichick as “4 years a slave.”

        http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/spikes-calls-time-pats-4-years-slave-article-1.1751069

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      It’s time for a new civil rights bill. Are our civil rights violated when TSA Agent grope grandma? There is no civility in Government forcing people to submit to invasive searches that the know will find nothing before hand.

      http://www.denverpost.com/editorials/ci_24533526/face-it-tsa-behavioral-screening-is-failing

    • HonestDebate1

      You have a right to work for whoever you choose.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Yeah, Like jailing bureaucrats who trample on our civil rights?

      http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/10/nsa-james-clapper-admit-to-wrongdoing

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    Turning a blind eye to Corruption in PA.

    FTA:
    When The Inquirer disclosed last month that Kane had ended an investigation that sources said had caught at least five Philadelphia elected officials on tape pocketing cash or gifts, Kane said that the officials had committed crimes, but that federal law enforcement officials agreed with her that the case was “flawed and nonprosecutable.”

    But Williams and the other sources say the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Philadelphia never made such a judgment about the sting during the several months that prosecutors reviewed the case file.

    “That didn’t happen,” Williams said. His knowledge of the federal handling of the investigation, he said, was based on information provided to him by colleagues in law enforcement and by private lawyers familiar with the case.

    http://articles.philly.com/2014-04-10/news/49003199_1_federal-prosecutors-law-enforcement-kane

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    NSA Admits to Wrongdoing: What Now?

    http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/10/nsa-james-clapper-admit-to-wrongdoing

    Accountability? Rule of Law? Jail for lying under oath so others don’t think its a joke?

    Sure.

  • HonestDebate1

    Mentioning Holder in the same death as those icons is hideous. Holder is corrupt and a liar. That he is a whiner too is no surprise.

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB
    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Pink Dresses?

      How sexist is that?

      • Human2013

        Yes, I’m wearing a pink dress right now.

        • HonestDebate1

          So am I.

          • StilllHere

            Please, so last year!

    • hennorama

      RWB — this is your best shot? Implied criticism of a graphic?

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        No.
        And Good Morning.

        • hennorama

          RWB — good day to you, sir.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            All days are Good if you can appreciate them. Especially when I get to conversate with you.

    • HonestDebate1

      I posted that yesterday, it seem this administration has no clue about their own sexism.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Like most they are blissfully unaware of their own bigotry.

        Matthew 7:3
        And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

  • Human2013

    When did the On Point comments section get hijacked by the right?

    • J__o__h__n

      Friday mornings about two hours before the show starts.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        One does what one can thanks for noticing.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Working and Accountability to the Rule of Law is “right” now?

      What do you propose, mass sharing? Communes? Anarchy?

      • Human2013

        On this path, rebellion is coming..there is no question of that. What will come from that, we’ll have to wait and see.

    • jefe68

      It’s the Friday Morning Right Wing Meme Show…
      Sponsored by Mendacity Bisects and Regressive’s Frozen Freedom Fries. The fries that say freedom and manliness in one bite… for the conservative man who has little going on in his life… a little fried freedom goes a long way…

    • StilllHere

      Whaaa, somebody took my echochamber away…

    • LinRP

      Every week. Guess what? They haven’t made a dent in my progressive POV.

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        Dig those heels in! The country will be better for it.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Some students require more instruction than others.

  • HonestDebate1

    It is unavailable. They say they are not keeping track but that could also be a lie.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    When will the ACA resign?

    Glad one of the architects is gone, but of course we get stuck with the mess.

    The Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions.

    Thanks for the memories Kathleen!

    • Dshakes

      Ummm, the ACA is a law, not a person. Just sayin’

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Sebelius: one seldom gets competence when the only measure for selection is sex, race, or political affiliation. That’s the downside of “democracy.” Much of the ballyhoo about it is just that. Access doesn’t confer right to.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      There really is no sincere sense of patriotism anymore. Party before country has become so ingrained and accepted, and is really ruining the nation.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Join me Sunday on Boston Common and you will see patriotism.

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          Status Quo self maintenance before Tea Party style reform may be even stronger right now….

  • Oh bummer

    Kathleen Sebelius did a great job of exempting (pro-democrat) big unions from Obamacare.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/12/22/unions-get-big-obamacare-christmas-present-as-other-self-insured-groups-get-scrooged/

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Have to protect the Donation stream.

      • Oh bummer

        So true.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    All Senators get the same pay. What’s Mikulski droning on about?

    Unless she’s another one of the high visibility types who claim to speak for the sisterhood, or black people, polar bears, or “conservatives.”

  • TFRX

    “In the wake of what the administration calls ‘good news’ ” (about the signups for the ACA).

    Wow. There’s just something about NPR which won’t say anything Obama accomplishes is good news without a disclaimer or modifier.

    Maybe I should be glad our host didn’t follow that up with stuff from the GOP for fake balance.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      “We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
      -JFK

      • TFRX

        NPR Sports update!

        In the wake of what UConn coach Kevin Ollie calls ‘good news’ about the NCAA Mens’ Basketball tournament final…

        NPR spent many months parroting all the Beltway Inbred stuff about what ACA success would look like. Now we’ve reached this point with 7+ million enrolees, and NPR can’t even be bothered to say a success is a success.

        If NPR had a dollar for every time it parrotted “botchedrollout” “websiteproblem”, they could cancel a fund drive.

        • StilllHere

          I’m sure you can find some beltway inbreds that will tow Obama’s party line that’s to your liking.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          In the parlance of sports metaphor, …that’s a long slide for an out.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Jessica Yellin wants to lead with the gender pay gap. Really?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Don’t worry about the premature death of Sibelius. Dems will resurrect her in a Frankenstein setting to “perform” some other vital function. It’s why the whole process doesn’t work very well. For America sans Beltway. {politics}

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      I can see the banners already:

      “Mission Accomplished”

      LOL

      • Dshakes

        7.5 million signups. Sounds like success to me. No?

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          That is one data point. How many of those signup are real? How many actually paid. What is the composition of enrollees? Are they healthy? What is there age?

          Answers to these questions will tell us if the Obamacare central planning scheme is sustainable. Even if it is sustainable it is a horrible scheme because is extraordinarily complex and costly to meet its meager objectives.

          • Dshakes

            No it is 7.5 million data points.

            BTW, in case you’ve been asleep for the last few years, your horrible “central planning” Obamacare is a Republican idea.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            No it is not a Republican idea. Zero GOP votes proves you wrong.

          • Dshakes

            Try educating yourself before you open your mouth.

          • HonestDebate1

            Have you met Mr. Kettle?

          • Dshakes

            Sigh…. OK, I’ll do your research for you. Here you go Mr. Honest Debate: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Sigh…. the ACA is much, much more than the individual mandate. And even the mandate in the ACA IS different than those proposed in the ’90s.

            And if you actually read the article there is evidence that the idea came from a Stanford economist not the Heritage Foundation.

            It is bizarre, desperate, twisted logic that blames the ACA on the GOP.

          • HonestDebate1

            It’s so 2008.

          • Dshakes

            Gosh, thanks to you and HonestDebate! I never would have realized how deluded I am unless you had pointed that out. I’ll have to use my Romneycare benefits to find a psychiatrist here in Massachusetts.

          • HonestDebate1

            Meh, don’t mention it.

          • HonestDebate1

            Dude, you seem to think you are alleging something new. Compare the mandates. Compare the plans. This issue has been debunked and debunked. Catch up.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Next stop for the new HHS head, Common Core (Obamacore?)

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      “Obama-Ed”

  • Oh bummer

    Obama administration wins Jefferson Muzzle award for restricting free press

    http://rt.com/usa/jefferson-muzzle-obama-administration-708/

    Congratulations Barry! Better luck next year Kim Jong-un.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    I will mock; I will fundraise, make speeches, appear in front of happy stand-ins. I will even play golf. I will do whatever it takes.
    –Barack H. Obama

    Except lead.

    • Dshakes

      Saving the US economy, finally addressing climate change, providing healthcare to millions of previously uninsured Americans, pushing for more jobs and sensible gun control (both totally blocked by Republicans). Soulds like great leadership to me.

      Could it be that you’re racist?

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Of course she’s taking the fall, but would we expect anyone higher to take accountability? Good soldier in the Revolution.

    “The way the game is played….”

    I like how that is stated with such understood normalcy.

  • Coastghost

    “Gender-wage gap” OR “gender-hours gap”? Explanatory power is forthcoming depending on how the issue is framed: “gender-hours gap” adequately explains the phenomenon cited by showing quite simply that all working men work more hours cumulatively in any given year than all working women do.
    Well-summarized here:
    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303592404577361883019414296

    • MrNutso

      How does that work for exempt positions with a set salary. A man and a woman should be paid the same salary regardless of the number of hours worked. The only extra should be a bonus, which should not factor into a wage gap.

    • Don_B1

      So even the best study from your point of view puts women’s pay at 91% of men’s pay. And out of that pay women (single mothers) pay for the raising of their children and most may have parents to take care of also.

      Why don’t you donate 10% of your gross pay to a charity that helps poor women? You would still be coming out ahead because your pension, etc. would be based on that gross amount rather than the 10% reduced amount.

      Then start pressing for free day care where you work so that the women, and men, don’t have to put their children in an expensive daycare requiring travel that is an extra burden to the daily commute.

      • Coastghost

        Why are women consenting to be single mothers when they’re not generating their own pregnancies? Why has modernity become so abusive towards the institution of marriage? Why persist entertaining Romantic notions that love is or ought to be the sole basis for marriage when demonstrably passions fade quickly enough to ensure high divorce rates? Why are no other criteria as a basis for an enduring marriage offered today?
        Since women give no prospects of ever being in position to dominate the human work force in any given year in any given country, why pretend that accommodating their workforce participation somehow helps enforce undefined or ill-defined notions of “equality”? (When as a society have we lately addressed whether “equality” is a viable or tenable notion, politically or philosophically?)

        • Don_B1

          Ever heard of accidents?

          And are you in favor of abortion-on-demand?

          And there are a lot of single women without children who are discriminated in wages, anyway!

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Sibelius was doomed from the Jon Stewart moment on.

  • MrNutso

    Newsflash: Sibelius resigns. Those who hate the ACA still hate the ACA, those who like the ACA still like the ACA.

  • Oh bummer

    House panel votes to hold IRS official (Lois Lerner) in contempt

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/house-panel-votes-hold-irs-official-contempt

    • TFRX

      CNS: “Taking the News of out press releases”.

      You’re known by your links, hack.

      • Oh bummer

        Sorry, that’s real news, not the MSNBC, Obama talking points that you subscribe to.

        • TFRX

          If it’s real, you hack, it’ll be somewhere else.

          And if CNS is the only one plopping it, it’s not real.

          Something so predictable about conservatives and their anathema for journalism.

          • brettearle

            Thank you.

          • Oh bummer

            When Obama said, ‘If you like your health insurance, you can keep it’,

            I have no doubt that you were naïve enough to have believed it.

          • Don_B1

            Most people who followed the issue closely knew it was a simplification; those that had not known the need to get insurance in the private market most likely did not know how often the insurance companies changed their policies, thus invalidating the “grandfather rule” the President based his claim on.

            But those who “lost their policies” have in every case publicized by the right, been able to get better insurance for at worst a slight increase in costs and in many, if not most, cases for less!

            Note that the Koch-backed groups had to hire actors to read scripted stories of troubles with the PPACA because they could not get enough real people with real stories.

      • brettearle

        T…

        It might be edifying, for the general “On Point” public, to have you briefly introduce the link–and the kind of political bias that it carries.

        [Not trying to give you more work; only trying to re-enforce credibility on our side. By implication, we, of course, all know. But sometimes specifics can be `grounding'.]

        • hennorama

          brettearle — see my reply to your prior response.

          • brettearle

            Henn–

            I’m perfectly willing to try that.

            But first, let me flash it quickly, completely and clearly–at the prior POINT–what it is again. [We'll time it. you can tell me when....]

            If that doesn’t work, then, on another timed sequence, why don’t you proffer….if you know what I mean….

            Meaning, we can try it, by `reversing the Alexander Graham charges’….if you catch my drift….

          • hennorama

            OK go.

          • brettearle

            OK

      • hennorama

        TFRX — I have a summary acronym for this individual: DIRT

        Determinedly Ignorant “Real Truther.”

        • HonestDebate1

          That wasn’t funny yesterday either.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Why is it a surprising, tremendous success when a mandatory insurance law leads to more enrollees?

    That twisted logic is suppose to make us accept the notion that the law is actually good (Cost, Quality, Accessibility of Health Care)?

    Nice Jack.

    • brettearle

      The answer is that it presages success–according to actuarial expectations.

      Is the point.

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        Again, numbers of forced enrollees is no rational measure of “success” for health care.

        If people are really thinking that shallowly, lots of sign ups, lets move on, we are sunk.

        But that does seem to be the level of the Dem electorate, big on pointing out problems and playing victim, but light on honestly effective long term solutions.

        • brettearle

          Neither of us can, realistically, know the overall beneficial, or deleterious, effects, for some time.

          But Republicans refuse to look at what one of the primary financial objectives is of ACA.

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            ACA backers/designers have admitted this bill does not address costs.

            10,000 pages and how much $ to say Buy Health Insurance or Pay a Fine.

            Only DC could pull that off

    • StilllHere

      Yes, the threat of penalties wasn’t enough.

  • TFRX

    “The law itself looks more and more defendable.”

    To say the least.

    There’s something amiss when a straight reporter like Jack Beatty reports facts and it sounds like he’s taking the liberal side.

    Maybe NPR can stop top-loading the show with GOP talking points which all those Beltway Inbreds agree on and don’t add up to so much once examined.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Me? How about me for HHS?
    –Mortimer Snerd

    Couldn’t do any worse. You’d have to quit your day job hanging in the Smithsonian.

  • creaker

    Speaking of “failures” – given the Heartbleed bug, maybe we should all just call it day and just shut down the internet.

    • brettearle

      That virus is, symbolically, emblematic of what’s going on, spiritually and psychologically, in American culture.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    The phony identity politics will continue to blow up in Dems faces. Americans are just not as dumb or shallow as they think. But they do resent being treated that way.

  • StilllHere

    How much longer does Barra have? She told Congress she’d only let her son drive a GM car with just the ignition key.

    Exhibit A in the class action lawsuit.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    No mention of the IRS scandal? Weaponizing government should be a top issue for the media UNTIL resolved.

    “The IRS Scandal Comes Into Focus

    House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp lays out damning evidence of Lois Lerner’s targeting of conservative groups.”

    “In 2012, both the IRS and Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings were targeting the group True the Vote. We now have email showing contact between a Cummings staffer and the IRS over that organization.”

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303603904579493831524666494?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303603904579493831524666494.html

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Remember it is all about the DNC narrative.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Disparity drives the universe. {it is a difference engine}
    Do you really think you’re going to change that?

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    So Dems can jiggle the numbers, but Repubs can’t quibble?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Didn’t she do a complete show on this wage issue just yesterday?

    OK, I get it — let’s obsess on Dem talking points.

    • StilllHere

      On Point is a tool of the Democrat Party.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Mary Landrieu pays women 88 cents for every dollar that a man makes.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Send Lerner to jail. She can bunk with Clapper.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The midterms. Ah, so pay difference is just a political, get them to the poll issue. I see.

    I thought we were talking about basic fairness.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Mark Udall pays women 85 cents for every dollar that a man makes.

  • JONBOSTON

    Jack Beatty–you’ve become so predictable and programmatic with your Obama sycophancy that I have to wonder why Ashbrook includes you in the show. On Point would be more honest if you were dropped for David Axelrod or David Plouffe.

    • Bigtruck

      The nuance of your comment should be applauded.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Do we get to roll back all the women advantages, Jack? You kno: in order to be “fair?”

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Mark Begich pays women 82 cents for every dollar that a man makes.

  • Betty Rubble

    I just checked job postings for my town, Bedford, MA. There are two postings that got my attention:

    One is for an administrative assistant, for which, typically, women apply and are hired. This position requires a Bachelor’s degree and pays $19.98/hour.

    The other position is for a heavy equipment operator, for which, typically, men apply and are hired. This job requires a high school diploma and a class B driver’s license. It pays $19.99/hour.

    Why must the job that is almost invariably filled by women require a BA (to the tune of $100k or more) before she can make as much as the job is is almost invariably filled by a man with a second driver’s license?

    And actually, she will not make the same amount of money. Even after a college degree, she will make 1 cent less than the man.

    • MrNutso

      The equipment operator needs certifications to be hired directly for the job rather than trained on the job. Regardless, the cost of the certifications is likely less than the cost of a BA. In addition, if the admin assistant position is listed as exempt, that employee does not have to be paid overtime, whereas the equipment operator surely will.

      • TFRX

        Yeah, about that “exempt” stuff–funny how so many people are now “managers”.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Betty are you saying women are unqualified for heavy equipment operation? Or that men cannot be administrative assistants?

      How sexist of you.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Its not up to your sense of fairness, and sense of entitlement that because one get suckered into a BS, one DESRVES a good paycheck.

      The market will determine what jobs are worth what $.

      That is a reflection of reality.

      Trying to bend reality for abstract and misguided notions of fairness and entitlement (BS=guaranteed good life) is ruining the nation.

      But lets celebrate the US Financial Aid and Tuition Bubble!

      We loooooove bubbles, they let us try out fairness!

      Homes for all! College for all!

      No such thing as a free lunch.

    • TFRX

      I would submit that the phrase “womens’ work” covers a lot of that. Not in an accurate sense descriptive of duties and responsibliity and training today, but in a historical (if not obsolete) sense.

      Also, notice how many jobs women have traditionally held get described as “callings”.

      Nursing? Teaching (not collegians, but only thru high school)?

      If what one does for a living gets referred to as a “calling”, hold onto your wallet–it means that society wants you to do it for nearly free.

    • J__o__h__n

      Those are very different jobs. The level of education and training required are different. The risks of being injured on the job and physical labor required are different. Measuring equal pay for equal work should focus on comparable jobs not on speculation of what gender does certain jobs.

    • jefe68

      Two different jobs, and you are conjecturing.

    • HonestDebate1

      Women can operate heavy machinery just as well as men.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Nobody seems that interested in equal occupational fatalities, equal prison time, equal parental rights, or equal life or car insurance rates.

  • J__o__h__n

    The guest was wrong. People don’t vote in the midterms because they are stupid and lazy. The politicians in the presidential elections don’t speak more to their issues than in the midterms. They aren’t paying attention.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Another data point showing that the “Liberal” disdains most Americans

      FTA:
      As much as Wells, or for that matter Mussolini and Lenin, Croly “wanted the collective power of society put ‘at the service of its ablest members,’ who would take the lead roles in the drama of social re-creation.” Similarly, leftist intellectual Randolph Bourne wondered “whether there aren’t advantages in having administration of the State taken care of by a scientific body of men with social sense.” Bourne seasoned his antidemocratic elitism with a romantic idealization of “Youth,” which was a time when the ideals “will be the highest…the insight the clearest, the ideas the most stimulating,” an early example of the worship of adolescents that exploded in the 1960s and is still felt in our culture today. And perhaps most famously, journalist H.L. Mencken serially displayed his contempt for the American people, whom he called a “rabble of ignorant peasants.”

      http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/175281

      • J__o__h__n

        If you can vote every four years, you can vote every two. It is my fellow liberals that I was commenting on. Not voting is lazy and stupid.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          A citizen should vote every chance that they get; often twice a year.

          “Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn’t mean politics won’t take an interest in you.”
          - Pericles

          • J__o__h__n

            I agree. I have never missed even a local election since I was 18.

  • Oh bummer

    US-Backed Neo-Nazi Party Given Key Roles in Ukrainian Government

    http://www.infowars.com/us-backed-neo-nazi-party-given-key-roles-in-ukrainian-government/

    This is what $5 billion form the Obama Administration buys you these days.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    In 2016: McCarthy-Snerd. For a change that we’ll at least laugh at.

  • hennorama

    Another week with no new large-scale US military involvement in shooting wars.

    Thanks, Obama.

    • Coastghost

      –with another fatuous citation from hennorama. Averting conflict is an ordinary delaying tactic for the outbreak of severe hostilities historically.

      • brettearle

        If you want to put on your jaded, cynical Rose-Colored glasses, which you have done, then, yeah, sure…..

        • HonestDebate1

          It’s Hennorama wearing the rose colored glasses and assuming inaction means peace. That’s not the way the world works.

          • StilllHere

            The body bags tell a different story.

      • hennorama

        Coastghost — TYFYR.

        Do you have a suggestion for where there should be/should have been new large-scale US military involvement in shooting wars?

        • Coastghost

          No, for various reasons: a) I am not committed to deontological ethics and categorical imperatives the way you seem to be; b) your tense construction is amiss: I anticipate war(s) breaking out partly as a consequence of Obama’s ad hoc foreign policy and the miscalculations he invites from the likes of Assad, Putin, and (remaining to be seen) the Iranians and/or the Chinese.
          It’s immaterial that Obama averts war on a week-to-week basis, as your weekly posts along this line trumpet: because Obama operates with no clear strategic vision (ditto Kerry, ditto Hegel, et al.), the prospect for a BIG war breaking out in the short term is by no means receding.

          • HonestDebate1

            Bingo.

          • hennorama

            Coastghost — TYFYR.

            As previously stated, I’ll take the facts over your speculation and suppostition, TYVM.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Another week with 4th amendment busting large-scale NSA surveillance of US citizens.

      Thanks, Obama.

      Lets not pretend that having telecoms hold the data, but then still be required to hand it over without real warrants is some real reform. FISA secret courts and General Warrants are unconstitutionality 101.

    • HonestDebate1

      As the Middle-East spins out of control, Putin licks his chops, Asaad continues to kill with WMD, the Al Qaeda flag flies over Fallujah and Iran begins to realize her nuclear dream. What could go wrong?

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      You may want to check the number of drone attacks.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        And is that the best that you got?

        /sarcasm

        • hennorama

          RWB — I don’t measure my comments, generally.

          However, if we’re going to compare, then “no new large-scale US military involvement in shooting wars” has to be fairly high up on any scale.

          And certainly it stacks up well against implied criticism of a graphic.

          Just my $0.02.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            But that graphic was the only of my posts that moved you to comment. It seems that it was two cents well spent.

          • hennorama

            RWB — TYFYR.

            1. I arrived a bit late
            2. I generally avoid comment on posts that are almost entirely quotes of the words of others.

            No criticism is implied in the above, BTW.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Are you more likely to comment on pictures?

          • hennorama

            RWB — TY again FYR.

            I dunno. Your post was a non-obscene repeat of one from yesterday, and it just seemed a bit superfluous. But at least it didn’t contain what is widely interpreted as an obscene acronym.

            TYAFYR.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            In my defense I wasn’t here yesterday and this is “The Week in the News”
            I limit my use of obscenities here. It other places I have been known for my artistry in, eh, earthy euphemisms.

          • hennorama

            RWB — no worries, and fair enough.

      • hennorama

        RWB — TYFYR.

        Please note the word new, above.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          New, Wars??
          Oceania Has Always Been at War with Eastasia

      • Oh bummer

        Oops, that bird-brain (hen) forgot to check that important fact.

        Thanks for setting the record straight.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Ethnic Russian Ukrainians want the basic right to join with Putin’s nascent Soviet Empire. “Give us the opportunity to wait in long lines for badly made shoes and stale, moldy bread!”

    Right on, Lev. It is the Revolution we’ve all waited for.

  • Oh bummer

    VA: 22 Veterans Commit Suicide Daily

    http://www.newsmax.com/US/VA-veterans-suicide-Iraq/2014/04/04/id/563681/

    Thanks Barry.

    • MrNutso

      How exactly is that the or any President’s fault?

      • Oh bummer

        What is he doing to stop it?

        • JS

          On August 31, 2012 President Obama signed an Executive Order thatstrengthens suicide prevention efforts across the Force and in the veteran community and improves access to mental health services for veterans, service members, and military families members.

      • hennorama

        Don’t stir up the DIRT (Determinedly Ignorant “Real Truther.”

    • Charles

      You have gone TOO FAR.
      I turn a blind eye to the foolish things that you post on here, but this is to too much.

      You should be ashamed of yourself for insulting the memory of these men and women who served. To say that these suicides are either caused by or in any way related to presidential politics is a slap in the face to anyone who has lost a loved one to the perils of military service.

      • Oh bummer

        What is your President doing to stop it?

        • brettearle

          Get out of town, man….

          • Oh bummer

            Don’t worry Bert, your Obamacare won’t get cancelled, at least not until the country goes bankrupt,

            which is a real possibility with the $7 trillion that your President added to the national debt, Bert.

      • brettearle

        Well said.

        Thank you.

    • brettearle

      Absolutely MEAN-SPIRITED.

      Congratulations…..

      You’ve lost ALL credibility.

      • Oh bummer

        What is your President doing to stop it, Bert?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        It is a tragic reality. Let’s keep politics out of it.

        Why isn’t it making headlines?

        • brettearle

          It should be.

          But don’t give me with the MSN conspiracy.

          If that’s what you’re doing, then you’re being crudely political, as well.

          But maybe that’s not what you’re doing.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Media bias is a reality. This a prima facie example.

            Impossible for me to prove but this would be front page news in the NYtimes under Bush. Amazing how coverage of war dead in Afghanistan all but stopped once Obama was President despite the large increase in deaths.

          • brettearle

            You’re too biased to know Bias.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Ah, the brettearle-o-meter has weighed in.

          • brettearle

            If I were the only one to feel that way, about your bias, then I might be living in a crazy kind of reality.

            Fortunately, there are a number of well-informed, competent contributors, who feel the same way as I do.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I have a point of view — we all do. It doesn’t mean I can’t recognize media bias.

            So, you disagree with me that the NYTimes would have put this story “above the fold” and would have nightly news coverage under Bush?

            Or that the Afghan war coverage has changed under Obama? You dispute that?

          • brettearle

            You are missing my point, Typically, because of your bias.

            Of COURSE I think there is some Left-Wing Media bias.

            Of course, I think that some stories aren’t covered as vigorously, or are overlooked, by MSM.

            But the REAL point is that you exaggerate this FAR FAR out of proportion–to the point of ignorance and dysfunctional stubborness……

            ….while at the same time NEVER EVER conceding that WSJ and FOX might be doing the SAME THING.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Ah, we seem to be getting closer.

            Now I’m just an exaggerator. And when I have not conceded that there isn’t right wing media bias? Could you show it to me. Please quote my words.

            Also, still no apology for the evidence free accusations you made toward me a few posts above? You know, the one with all the upper case . Specifically:
            “HE CLAIMS THAT IT WASN’T COVERED BY MEDIA” . Again, please quote my words.

          • HonestDebate1

            Not me.

          • pete18

            None of which proves WFTC’s bias. Your assessment of him could just as easily be blinded by YOUR bias, which I could just as easily “prove” as tangible by your own standards because there are a number of well-informed, competent contributors, who feel the same way as I do.

            In my opinion, a more constructive thing to do would be to define what media bias is and then measure these examples against that and see how they do.

          • brettearle

            I agree.

            But as long as your side denies that a publication, such as NYT, criticizes, or points out negative stuff–against the Obama Administration, rather frequently–then it’s hopeless.

            There isn’t even any point in going further, with other examples–ones that are GLARING–coming from the Right.

            As long as you are not able able to concede the NYT point–the absolutely ignorant and narrow-minded conclusion that is so often the hackneyed talking point of your side–then there’s no point.

            I’m not going to do such an easy homework assignment for you.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Get back to me when the NYTimes identifies party affiliation in negative NEWS stories on politicians the same for Rs and Ds.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Freakonomics weighs in on media bias:

            Interesting to see the left leaning of almost all the media. Surprising to see the WSJ new is more left leaning than the NYTimes (at least in 2004 when this survey was taken).

            http://freakonomics.com/2012/02/16/how-biased-is-your-media/

          • pete18

            Saying that NY times also criticizes the Obama administration doesn’t disprove WFTC’s point. He is suggesting that certain types of stories don’t get the same attention under a democratic administration from the times that they would under a republican one and I’m guessing that he also is suggesting that the overall number of critical stories vs supportive ones is also higher when covering Republicans vs Democrats.

            “I’m not going to do such an easy homework assignment for you.”

            Too bad, it still goes into the grade book as an “F” Looks like you missed out on an easy “A.”

          • brettearle

            Your point also is a good one.

            But many comments, regarding Right-Wing views of Media Bias, are almost always NOT nuanced.

            It is always this kind of extreme bloviating– which presumably demonstrates how MSM always ignores relevant stories or else reports them in blinkered ways.

            MY POINT–WHICH IS A POINT THAT CAN BE SHOWN TIME AND TIME AGAIN–is above, in comments between Hennorama and Worried For the Country.

            Worried For the Country discusses a hate crime above–Black on White.

            And then HE CLAIMS THAT IT WASN’T COVERED BY MEDIA.

            HENNORAMA REFUTED THAT IMMEDIATELY, ABOVE.

            THAT IS SO SO SO SO SO TYPICAL OF YOUR SIDE.

            HOW DO YOU EXPECT US TO ARGUE WITH YOU, COMPETENTLY, IF YOUR SIDE CONTINUES TO DEMONSTRATE SUCH BIAS AND IGNORANCE?

            Most of you NEVER see finer shades of grey. You so often ONLY SEE THE EXTREME.

            That, MY FRIEND, is EXTREMELY dangerous…..and SAD.

          • hennorama

            brettearle — thanks for the mention, and keep up the good work.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Oh henny, you are usually so ‘precise’. Why didn’t you correct Brettearle?

          • hennorama

            WftC — thank you for your response.

            Unfortunately, I missed it when I first read brettearle’s post.

            And since your “activity is private,” your comments don’t show up on my DISQUS display, [so I did not read your response until just now]. (This also explains the delay in some of my other response to you, and coincidentally, OPC as well.)

            I’ve just now pointed out brettearle’s confusion in another post, above.

            Thanks again.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Excuse me but exactly where is this exchange with henny?

            - please quote my words

            Apologies will be accepted.

          • hennorama

            brettearle — you seem to have confused OPC and WftC.

            Way up yonder ^ ^, I first had an exchange with OPC, about the Steve Utash case in Detroit, involving both the media coverage of it, and whether or not the DOJ should be involved.

            Then,in the same thread, I had a much less detailed exchange with WftC regarding the Martin/ZImmerman case, and DOJ involvement.

            A correction seems in order.

            (BTW, I’ve made similar errors before, most recently confusing John Cedar and JONBOSTON, which I fessed up to upon discovery.)

          • JS

            Media bias for some is anyone not reporting a story they find important. Or not giving it the front page headlines they think it deserves. I have had so many people say, ” why isn’t the MSM reporting on this!” and in about 0.39 seconds of a Google search I find many examples of such reporting.

          • pete18

            Your ability to find the story does not disprove media bias, even under your definition.

          • JS

            It disproves that particular claim at that particular time, and that’s all I was alleging. People cry that the media doesn’t report things they way they see fit, and call it bias.

          • pete18

            Which claim? WFTC’s? It certainly doesn’t disprove his assertion.

            Some people do make claims as you describe, but that isn’t what was being discussed here.

          • JS

            You mentioned defining media bias, I replied that for some, it means crying about how certain stories aren’t covered. That’s the claim I was referring to.

          • HonestDebate1

            That makes too much sense, it won’t fly.

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            You mean, well-intentioned contributors, willing to repeat the same unsubstantiated perceptions of reality?

          • J__o__h__n

            or a patronizing cult member with repeat phrases and one solution to every problem

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Matthew 7:3
            And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

        • hennorama

          WftC — in general, suicides of non-celebrities don’t make the news.

          In addition, there is justifiable reluctance to report them, as the phenomenon of Suicide Contagion/Copycatting/Clusters is very real.

          At present, I’m [personally involved with] a small group who experienced two suicides over a very brief period. It scares me to my core that my efforts at preventing a third may be unsuccessful.

          See:
          http://reportingonsuicide.org/

          • brettearle

            Henn–

            See my comments below, regarding my response to Pete 18, about Media Bias.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Good luck with your efforts.

          • hennorama

            WftC — thank you.

            There’s no real way of knowing whether I will or do have any actual impact, but the effort is worthwhile nonetheless.

      • HonestDebate1

        What do you think of someone who writes your mother wears army boots or the idiot who clicked like on it?

      • hennorama

        brettearle — your comment implies that Homer Bum had any credibility.

      • Oh bummer

        Sorry Bert, your failed President, ‘If you like your health insurance, you can keep it’ has lost all credibility.

        Don’t give up hope Bert!

        There’s still an excellent chance Obama will be prosecuted for his war crimes.

    • Dshakes

      President Obama is the American president. Are you an American? Then he is your president too. Secondly, the Iraq war was started by GWB for false reasons and has lead to the needless deaths of thousands of patriotic American soldiers (and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilian deaths). Do you condemn GWB the same way you condemn Obama?

      • Oh bummer

        What is your President doing to stop it?

        • Dshakes

          No, what is your President doing to stop it? Hah, go the last word. This is fun.

          • Oh bummer

            My point exactly, the Commander in Chief isn’t doing anything about it.

          • Dshakes

            Your mother wears army boots

          • Oh bummer

            You managed to type that with your head up your rear end? Amazing!

          • Dshakes

            Yes, I wanted to see what it was like to live in your world.

            Do you ever have anything of intelligence to say? “Corresponding” with you and HonestDebate is like debating with a 3rd grader.

        • jimino

          What are you doing to stop it? Why are you always blaming someone else?

    • Oh bummer

      Don’t forget, Obama supports groups with ties to al-Qaeda in Libya and Syria, as well as violent, neo-fascist thugs in Ukraine ($5 billion).

  • Leonard Bast

    Come back soon, Tom! Jessica Yellin’s breathless, overly-inflected, faux-enthusiastic speech screams network and cable news channel! How on earth did she get here?

    • brettearle

      C’mon.

      Tom’s one of the best. But I’m sure you can tolerate others who don’t fully measure.

      She isn’t terrible, for chrissake. It’s not forever.

      • J__o__h__n

        She is better than Harwood was. At least they are rotating the guest hosts and not just using Jane.

        • brettearle

          I think Harwood’s OK.

          Tom Jelten or even Major Garrett….

      • Leonard Bast

        The fact that she’s tolerable that she’s not forever is hardly great praise, but I’m glad you’re enjoying her.

    • OnPointComments

      I wonder if Jessica Yellin is being paid as much as Tom Ashbrook.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Like President Bush, my presidency will look much, much better in history’s rear view mirror.
    –Barack H. Obama {Visionary for all Time}

    Yep. When it disappears beyond the event horizon. {accelerating universe}

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    I was a kid when Hungarians fled across the bridge at Andau. Eisenhower wasn’t worth a fiddler’s fart in those days.

  • Oh bummer
    • MrNutso

      I have personally seen the President writing checks totalling that amount.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Paying my bar tab….
        Thanks Barack .

    • creaker

      Maybe the Republicans can run on a platform that they are better at screwing things up than the Democrats are at fixing them.

      • Oh bummer

        Obama adding $7 trillion to the national debt in five years is your idea of ‘fixing’ the problem?

    • northeaster17

      http://thenevadaview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Debt-graph-CBPP.jpeg
      Thought I’d seen this here the other day. Time to bring it back

      • HonestDebate1

        That is nuts. The tax cuts did not cause a penny of debt. They added revenue. They save the economy from the Clinton recession an 9/11.

        Say you sold 1000 widgets a year for a profit of a dollar a piece ($1000). Then you cut the price so your profit is $.75 because of the economy is sluggish. As a result you sell 1500 widgets the next year ($1125). Does that mean the price (tax) cut caused debt.

      • Oh bummer

        I never voted for Bush, I never supported Bush,

        but this ‘blame Bush for everything’ got old five years ago. You Dems need to take responsibility for Obama’s fiscal incompetence. Every President inherits problems from the previous President. You Obama supporters lack the ability to view the current President in a critical light. Under Obama’s watch, nearly $7 trillion had been added to the national debt, Obama has not taken any steps to correct this problem, and as a result, the US is facing bankruptcy.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Can’t hold anyone accountable, because nothing could be done anyway!

    Is this really happening?

    • HonestDebate1

      That seems to be the theory.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    It’s a real bummer out there today.
    –Windsurfing John Kerry

  • Coastghost

    In other words, Jack Beatty: Putin is possessed of a developed strategic vision for his Russia while Obama flails and flounders day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month with ad hoc policies and responses.

    • jimino

      We’re the USA. That’s how we roll.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The show is much funnier with Tom, Jack, and a couple of other guys. Maybe we should pay them more for keeping it informative AND upbeat.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      guys? Sexist pig.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Between Clapper, Sebelius, identity politics, SEC cronyism, foreign policy degradation etc, I find it very hard to see how the failure of the DNC experiment is not becoming self evident to most people.

    While the GOP is no alternative for the most part, lord help us if the American people do not demand better.

    • jimino

      In which part is the GOP a better alternative?

      • Steve__T

        In an altered reality universe.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    History will grimace and shout OUCH when Obama’s list of political appointees is listed in Wikipedia in the years to come. You could almost say his picks were incompetent and in some cases, criminal.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Late night talk shows died when Johnny Carson retired. It’s been all infantile clownishness ever since.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    LBJ didn’t just signed those bills into law. He gave birth to them and midwifed them, as well. You, Barack Obama are no LBJ.

  • StilllHere

    As long as we are covering yesterday’s topic again and because of the overwhelming support, I would note that the best way by far to achieve wage parity is to reduce automatically the wages of men, starting with government employees and those engaged in manual labor/goods production. Please sign the petition at change.org because America can do better.

    • hennorama

      StilllHere — that wasn’t funny yesterday, either.

      • StilllHere

        While you are busy working on nasty acronyms, some of us are trying to find solutions!

        • Oh bummer

          Excellent point.

        • pete18

          Riot!

        • hennorama

          StilllHere — TYFYR.

          Both the preceding acronym and the subject acronym were loose in the world far longer than your “solution.”

          Thanks again for your response.

        • Oh bummer

          Excellent post!

          Maybe next time, bird-brain will decide to keep her pie-hole shut, before she opens it and shows her profound ignorance, on everything.

    • JS

      A question I asked yesterday: Why manual labor?

    • jimino

      Why stop with trying to address gender wage disparity? Aim really high at improving the entire economy by reducing EVERYONE’S pay to minimum wage or less, distributing even more of the gain created by the entire economy to an increasingly smaller number of “really talented” people, and watch things boom. A brilliant thinker like you should not set your sights so low.

      • StilllHere

        We’re not trying to improve the economy, just make it fairer to women.

        • jimino

          Stop lying. You’re not interested in either.

          • jefe68

            He’s a troll, ignore him.
            He thinks he’s being funny, when all it shows is how low this bottom feeder will stoop.

  • Coastghost

    Well, of course: LBJ is the patron saint of public broadcasting, after all.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Listen to LBJ arm twisting Reps & Dems on the phone in the tapes. He didn’t need people to like him. They only had to fear him. And they did.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    The poofs in Obama’s White House have no conception of how ineffective they are in governing. It has nothing to do with it not being 1964 anymore. It only takes stones and leadership. Both sadly lacking with Obama’s light-weights.

    Good luck trying to find a picture of LBJ posing with a golf club.

  • Oh bummer

    Russia will not import GMO products – PM Medvedev

    http://rt.com/news/russia-import-gmo-products-621/

    Don’t look for any similar ban in the US, Obama’s Deputy Commissioner for Foods is Michael R. Taylor, previously of Monsanto.

    • Charles

      Hey, we agree about something!
      The politicians are in the pockets of the big corporations…shocking.

      What’s YOUR president going to do about it?

      • Oh bummer

        What’s Obama doing about it?

        He’s letting the lobbyists write legislation.

        • Charles

          My point was that President Obama is YOUR President too.
          And don’t even pretend that other parties’ Presidents don’t do the same thing.

  • Blue_To_Shoe

    To ‘On Point’: In these week ending talk segments, get rid of these ‘talking heads’, (most which are pushing agendas) or simply being professional liars)!!!!

    This is why cable News has become such a blighted environment – the ‘talking head’ culture.

    For example:
    Molly Ball flat out LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When she mentioned the equal pay act – and it “…blowing up in the White House’s face…” because of a lack of “…equal pay for equal work in the White House itself…”, she was literally lying through her teeth.

    Now, I’ve heard that so-called ‘Conservative’ hack-job comment spouted – and clearly rebuffed – multiple times this week.

    It’s been clearly stated that the discrepancy is due to more men in senior positions – which is the REAL concern, but THERE IS equal pay for equal work within the White House.

    If I heard this simply as an average person listening to the News, I guarantee Ms. Ball knows the same.

    I don’t understand why ‘On Point’ doesn’t simply let viewers call/chime in on these segments like ‘Talk of the Nation’ used to do.

    • J__o__h__n

      I miss Talk of the Nation.

      • Blue_To_Shoe

        Me too…!!

        I even have fond memories of it’s recognizable theme music and Neil’s voice.

        • J__o__h__n

          I won the no prize three times.

          • Blue_To_Shoe

            Get outta here…!!!!

            Good for you!!!!

            I’m not going to lie…I could NEVER figure out the answers to the questions without using a search engine, so…I didn’t bother since I would have to cheat to win.

          • nj_v2

            I think i knew an answer like once.

        • brettearle

          Juarez was better. Do you agree?

    • HonestDebate1

      The numbers Obama said are a disgrace shake down the exact same way. By your definition, he flat out lied. I agree.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Obama never misses an opportunity to whine about how hard he’s got it. Now that’s leadership: whining your way to Berlin during WWII. Yep: that’s how we won the war – crying in our arugula.

    Signed.. Vietnam-era Draftee/Veteran

  • StilllHere

    Why does Obama pay women less in the White House? Maybe they don’t dress sexy enough. Those pink and yellow dresses are not very flattering.

  • Coastghost

    Ummm . . . but North Vietnam DID conquer South Vietnam: or how else do we explain Saigon’s name-change to Ho Chi Minh City?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Bush – Clinton – Bush – Obama – Clinton – Bush – Obama. Yep, it’s Rome and the Caesars are back. How well did that republican experiment work out?

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Vote for Cluadius 2016!!

      Claudius: Senators, it is true that I am hard of hearing, but you will find it is not for want of listening. As for speaking, again, it’s true I have an impediment. But isn’t what a man says more important than how long he takes to say it? It’s true again I have little experience of government. But, then, have you more? I at least have lived with the imperial family who has ruled this empire ever since you so spinelessly handed it over to us. I’ve observed it working more closely than any of you. Is your experience better than that? As for being half-witted: well, what can I say, except that I have survived to middle age with half my wits, while thousands have died with all of theirs intact. Evidently, quality of wits is more important than quantity. Senators, I shall do nothing unconstitutional. I shall appear at the next session of the senate, where you may confirm me in my position or not as you wish. But if it pleases you not to, explain your reasons to them [points to the Praetorians], not to me.

      http://www.tv.com/shows/i-claudius/

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    No discussion of LBJ’s hand in watering down civil rights legislation under Eisenhower?

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      He got a bill through with the Southern Dems owning the committee chairs. And a largely apathetic president. It was still an accomplishment {1957?}

    • HonestDebate1

      Kudos to Obama for giving credit to the Republicans.

      “As we commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, we honor the men and women who made it possible”

      • TFRX

        Too bad the GOP went all Southern Strategy on the country.

        But you keep pretending things aren’t NOW what they are, bub.

        • HonestDebate1

          Let me guess, the South is racist. Right?

          • jimino

            Well it obviously was then since its Congress members, regardless of party, reflecting the will of their constituents, all voted against it. You’re saying it’s totally different now?

          • HonestDebate1

            Yes.

          • jimino

            Assuming you are correct, do you think the legislation and court battles that followed its passage had something to do with that monumental change, or are other factors responsible?

          • HonestDebate1

            Hard to say but this isn’t 1964.

          • jefe68

            HD is suffering from magical thinking.
            Sure the South has changed, but not in the way he thinks it has. witness all his comments on race, it’s there for all to see.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB
  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Clinton-Bush in 2016. For an election season we can all yawn about.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Will Bush v. Clinton be on pay per view? Proceeds to the status quo fund.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    It’s class to make one witty remark. It’s hoi polloi to drone on disparagingly.

  • MrNutso

    4 minutes left until we get to the stabbing.

    • nj_v2

      The 2016 election is so much more important.

  • Coastghost

    Wherever is the “BAN ASSAULT KNIVES!” cohort when you need it?

    • J__o__h__n

      if it had been a gun not a knife, more would have died.

      • StilllHere

        If it had been a nuclear weapon …

        • J__o__h__n

          When have we had nuclear weapon attacks at schools?

    • TFRX

      Well, they’re not getting the body bags out of storage for this assault.

  • OnPointComments

    A Democrat telling lies really isn’t news, but…

    February 6, 2014 Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee hearing:

    Cleta Mitchell, attorney for True The Vote: “…we’re going to try to figure out whether any – if there was any staff of this committee that might have been involved in putting True the Vote on the radar screen of some of these Federal agencies. We don’t know that, but we – we’re going to do everything we can do to try to get to the bottom of how did this all happen.

    Rep. Elijah Cummings: “What she just said is absolutely incorrect and not true.”

    It is now known that in August 2012 and January 2013, staff of Rep. Cummings contacted the IRS about True The Vote, and on January 31, 2013, the IRS sent True the Vote’s 990 forms to Cummings’ staff. Cummings lied when he stated that there no involvement between his staff and the IRS on True the Vote.

    “Elijah Cummings has blocked the IRS abuse investigation all along. We now see clearly that two branches of government have colluded to target and silence private citizens.” –True the Vote president Catherine Engelbrecht

  • Coastghost

    Yeah, how in the world did we miss discussion of Al Sharpton, FBI snitch? A glaring omission. (Has MSNBC signed him up with an indefinite-term contract extension?)

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Went in the same bucket as the gun running, gun confiscator Yeland Yee.

      At least they didn’t spend 10 minutes on some Congressman kissing a staffer at a Christmas party.

  • nj_v2

    Regressive, right-wing, mindlessness, inanity and jacka**ery of the week, special Fox So-called News edition…

    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/04/cable-news-fox-climate-science-accuracy

    New Study: 72 Percent of Fox News Climate Segments Are Misleading

    According to a new study by the Union of Concerned Scientists, misinformation about climate science on cable news channels is pretty common. The study found that last year, 30 percent of CNN’s climate-related segments were misleading, compared with 72 percent for Fox News and just 8 percent for MSNBC. The study methodology was quite strict: segments that contained “any inaccurate or misleading representations of climate science” were classified as misleading.

    (excerpt)

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/fox-news-says-overtime-pay-harmful?utm_source=Crooks+and+Liars+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f45d42899e-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d4904be7bc-f45d42899e-330135349

    Fox News Says Overtime Pay Is Harmful To The American ‘Work Ethic’

    Fox News is now spinning workers being paid for overtime into a new souffle of conservative silliness. If you don’t show up early and work late to show your boss how dedicated you are, then you’re lazy moochers with a “punch in,” “punch out” mentality that’s destroying the American work ethic.

    (excerpt)

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/steve-hotze-obamacare-gays

    Fox News Hails Doctor Who Said Gay Rights Lead to Child Molestation

    On Fox News, Dr. Steven Hotze is a hero. “He’s the doctor fighting to let you keep your doctor,” declared Neil Cavuto, who recently ran a segment on Hotze’s lawsuit against the Affordable Care Act. Hotze is challenging the health care law on a technicality: All taxation bills must originate in the House, and part of the law was first introduced in the Senate. The case, which is currently before the conservative 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, stands a real chance of heading to the Supreme Court.…

    In the 1980s, Hotze was the Houston coordinator of a Christian Reconstructionist group called the Coalition on Revival, which contended then and now that “the ultimate cause of all disease, deformity, disability, and death is the sin of Adam and Eve” and that malpractice suits are un-Biblical. He has inflated his own credentials while endorsing a wide range of alternative treatments and theories (such as the idea that women have been “brainwashed” to take the pill, and should avoid birth control because it makes them less attractive to men) that public health professionals decry and insurance companies don’t cover. And for decades, he’s trafficked in hysteria over equal status for gay citizens, which he has said would give gay people “a free hand to come and have relations with a minor, molest a child.”

    (excerpts)

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bill-oreilly-grievance-industry-hippies-white-guys

    Bill O’Reilly Warns That The Hippies Are Coming For Rich White Guys (VIDEO)

    The counterculture movement of the 1960s never ended for Bill O’Reilly, who explained Monday how things work in America.

    According to the Fox News pundit, many of the hippies who protested against the Vietnam War and “embraced sex, drugs and rock and roll” have grown up to become “authority figures today, especially in the media.”

    And those same aged hippies are now fueling the “grievance industry.”

    (excerpts)

    • hennorama

      nj_v2 — Mr. O’Reilly really lost it this week.

      (Not that this is news, of course.)

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        He lost it? When he said we should all drive Teslas?

        • hennorama

          WftC — that was last week, as I recall.

          This week was “the grievance industry,” and “those damn kids,” etc.

          I do appreciate his skills at entertainment, however, and the fact that it was worth the price I paid to watch his rants.

          • brettearle

            O’Reilly is a snake-oil salesman posing as the Wizard of Oz.

            He’s a disgrace.

            Half of his audience doesn’t even know they’re being duped by his Histrionics.

          • HonestDebate1

            You should stick with Tom Ashbrook.

          • hennorama

            brettearle — Mr. O’Reilly is certainly entertaining.

            He’s been doing this shtick for so long, it’s difficult to determine whether it’s outrage or fauxtrage.

            One can at times discern a reasonable point, if one listens closely and generally ignores his mostly sycophantic guests.

            TYFYR.

          • brettearle

            Did you see his joust with Barney?

          • hennorama

            brettearle — TYFYR.

            If you mean Rep. Barney Frank, then I woud ask “which joust?” Presuming, given the date, that you are referring to the “joust” regarding the Boston Marathon Bombing, yes. It was interesting and entertaining, with both of them making their respective points well.

          • brettearle

            No, I didn’t know about that one. It’s an earlier one.

            I’d have to retrieve it.

            It had to do with proving that the one who yells the loudest wins the argument.

            But I would have liked to have heard the Marathon one.

            Still working on Hooper, by the way. I actually think he’s on to something.

          • hennorama

            brettearel — TYFYR.

            Here’s the O’Reilly/Frank BMB (yikes! as to that acronym!) segment:

            http://nation.foxnews.com/boston-marathon-bombing/2013/04/27/bill-o-reilly-goes-head-head-barney-frank-politicizing-boston-attack

            And perhaps you’re referring to this “joust,” which has the somewhat noted quotes from Rep. Frank, about Mr. O’Reilly:

            “This is why your stupidity gets in the way of rational discussion!”

            AND

            “This ‘manliness’ stuff is very unbecoming from you … you think toughness is yelling and ranting and trying to bully, and it’s not gonna work with me.”

            See:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8

          • brettearle

            Through your link, I watched the somewhat heated exchange about the Massacre.

            Thank you…

            I thought it was a stand-off.

            Although, I’d have to give the victory to O’Reilly on Points–because Frank had just retired from being a public official for over 30 years.

            I think it was premature for a career official, from Washington, to be commenting about public policy, directly after a world tragedy.

          • hennorama

            brettearle — you’re welcome, of course.

            I agree that there was no clear victor.

            Was the second video the one you were referring to?

          • brettearle

            The first one…day or two after the Massacre.

            Frank shoulda waited….

          • hennorama

            brettearle — my apologies. I omitted the word “originally.”

            Was the second video that I posted the one you were originally referring to as Mr. O’Reilly’s “joust with Barney”?

      • TFRX

        “Fk it! I’ll do it live!”

        (h/t Bill-O)

  • OnPointComments

    My favorite thing I read today:

    Harry Reid will go down as one of, if not the, most corrupt people ever to serve in Congress. He became a millionaire while a “public servant,” tainted other senators for doing exactly what he was doing and used tax dollars to attack private citizens. Harry Reid should not be in the Senate; he should be prison, and he should die there. But he won’t ever go, he’s protected. Rather than face charges for his corruption, Reid will remain the leader of the Democrats in the Senate, be they in the majority or minority. Justice will have to wait, but it eventually comes for all of us.
    http://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2014/04/10/harry-reid–the-democrats-democrat-n1822184/page/2

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Harry Reid was once against illegal immigration.

      An amazing speech from ole Harry in 1993. Too bad it doesn’t get much coverage.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrNJ12kJ7wY

    • TFRX

      Clownhall clickpinping?

      What, is it Saturday already?

      • brettearle

        T….see above….and wait

    • JONBOSTON

      Harry Reid is the slimiest scum bag in the Senate, a horrible person lacking any virtue, character or decency. That Senate Democrats have him as their face to the American public demonstrates how little regard they have for everyone. He represents everything wrong with politics in Washington.

    • brettearle

      Please demonstrate, clearly and specifically, where it has been documented–by Fox and WSJ, for example–that Reid has become wealthy at the expense of the Tax-Payers.

      Please DEMONSTRATE this, or forever prove yet, again, your deplorable Bias.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Has any journalist asked ole Harry how he amassed his fortune on a career “public servant”‘s salary? Perhaps he good some good cattle trading tips from Hillary.

        • brettearle

          Your claims are remarkably irresponsible.

          YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF RIGHT-WING BIAS.

          AS USUAL YOU CAN’T EVEN GO TO
          FOX ,OR TO WSJ, TO BACK UP YOUR NARROW-MINDED CLAIMS.

          YOUR REMARKS DO NOTHING BUT TO RE-ENFORCE THE TYPICAL RIGHTWING BIAS, THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING BELOW.

          YOU….CANNOT….BACK….UP

          YOUR CLAIMS.

          • Steve__T

            Brett don’t scream at him, It takes away from your argument.

          • brettearle

            You’re right.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            “claims”?

            What is the “claim” in my post? That Harry Reid is wealthy? That no journalist has asked him how he obtained his wealth on his “public servant” salary?
            Check and check.

            btw — you haven’t yet issued an apology for your evidence-free rant at me below.
            If you do find the evidence — please quote me.

    • jimino

      Was it Fox or Drudge or some other right-wing dog whistler that sicced the lemmings onto Reid today?

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Today?

  • OnPointComments

    I wonder if On Point would have covered the brutal beating in Detroit of Steve Utash if the races of the victim and the attackers had been reversed. The nurse who rescued Utash and stopped the beating said that the attackers were shouting “Get the white guy.” There was a crowd watching the beating, and no one else came to his rescue. I wonder if the Department of Justice would have launched a hate crime investigation if the races of the victim and the attackers had been reversed.

    • hennorama

      OPC — first of all, the incident has resulted in a hate crime related charge, as reported by myfoxdetroit.com, and practically everywhere:

      DETROIT (WJBK) — A 16-year-old held in connection with the brutal mob beating of a motorist who stopped to help a 10-year-old Detroit boy struck by his pickup truck has been charged with assault and a hate crime.

      Wayne Co. Prosecutor Kym Worthy says the teen was charged as a juvenile Thursday. He remains in custody and is scheduled to appear in court on April 12.

      See:
      http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/25213660/teen-charged-with-assault-ethnic-intimidation-in-detroit-mob-beating#ixzz2yaoczllk

      Second, the DOJ gets involved in hate crime investigations only when the local and state authorities do not, or as a supplement to local and state law enforcement efforts.

      And finally, while On Point might not have covered this case, NPR has:

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=300604584

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=301454126

      • OnPointComments

        If the DOJ gets involved in hate crime investigations only when local and state authorities do not charge a hate crime, or when local and state authorities do charge a hate crime, that would certainly seem to cover all of the available options.

        • hennorama

          OPC — TYFYR.

          An important element of Federal hate crime legislation is that it is generally secondary to local and state law enforcement.

          In addition, not all states have hate crime laws, so Federal involvement can be primary in some cases.

          • OnPointComments

            Is the DOJ going to supplement local and state law enforcement efforts?

          • hennorama

            OPC — TYFY query.

            As I am not in Federal law enforcement, I am unable to answer.

            Perhaps you might direct your inquiry here:

            http://www.justice.gov/contact-us.html

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Did the Feds wait with George Zimmerman?

          • hennorama

            WftC — TYFYR.

            Exactly what do you mean by “the Feds”?

            As I did not follow that case closely, I do not know the timeline well. As I recall, local authorities initially did not prosecute, and the state and Federal authorities got involved later.

            Please fill in any gaps if your knowledge is superior.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I’m not an expert but my recollection was Eric Holder announced a Federal investigation and that investigation was independent of any State investigation (pending or otherwise). So I don’t believe the Feds wait until State investigations are exhausted — unless they want to.

          • HonestDebate1

            As I recall, the feds imposed themselves after the local authorities determined it was not a hate crime. I think the police chief actually resigned in protest.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            That sounds familiar. I was wondering if the state of FL had made determination before the Feds got involved.

          • hennorama

            WftC — TYFYR.

            Perhaps you misunderstood my original post. I did not write that the DOJ waits “until State investigations are exhausted…,” and did not mean to imply that Federal law enforcement is only involved after all local and state efforts are exhausted.

            My point is simply that Federal involvement is seldom first or primary.

            Joint and/or concurrent local, state and Federal efforts are not unusual, either.

            Here’s are selected excerpts of what the FBI says about hate crimes, and their role:

            The FBI’s Role

            As part of its responsibility to uphold the civil rights of the American people, the FBI takes a number of steps to combat the problem of hate crimes:

            Law Enforcement Support: The FBI works closely with state/local authorities on investigations, even when federal charges are not brought. FBI resources, forensic expertise, and experience in identification and proof of hate-based motivations often provide an invaluable complement to local law enforcement. Many cases are also prosecuted under state statutes such as murder, arson, or more recent local ethnic intimidation laws. Once the state prosecution begins, the Department of Justice monitors the proceedings in order to ensure that the federal interest is vindicated and the law is applied equally among the 95 U.S. Judicial Districts.

            The FBI forwards completed reports to U.S. Attorneys and the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice, which decide whether a federal prosecution is warranted. They may move forward, for example, if local authorities are unwilling or unable to prosecute a crime of bias.

            How Hate Crimes are Investigated and Prosecuted

            The FBI initiates a hate crime investigation when an allegation is received from a reliable source. Most complaints are received from the victim, a witness, or a third party. Many cases are also initiated by media reports, community group complaints, referrals from Department of Justice or U.S. Attorneys, and congressional inquiries.

            Under guidelines developed in conjunction with the Department of Justice, once a complaint is received, the FBI will determine if the matter warrants a preliminary or full investigation.

            Once a case is opened, a logical investigation is conducted within a reasonable period of time.

            See:
            http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes/overview

            Hope that helps.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            OK. Thx.

      • brettearle

        Did you notice that he didn’t acknowledge his own knee-jerk bias about Media, after you reported the above?

        • hennorama

          brettearle — that would be notable only in its absence.

          Thanks for your response.

        • OnPointComments

          My comment questioned why On Point didn’t cover the incident, not whether any other news organization covered it. My comment questioned whether there would be DOJ involvement, not whether there was involvement from other law enforcement organizations.

          • HonestDebate1

            There were severel shows on Trayvon Martin.

          • The poster formerly known as t

            1. Nobody died.
            2. Detroit is a s—hole. No one likes to report about desperate and ignorant people continue to do what they do there. Most of the media coverage about Detroit is from the perspective of capitalists, economists and merchants. The perspective of capitalists, economists and merchants is concerned with things and not people.

    • nkandersen

      This is a topic that is definitely in our thoughts and planning meetings, and something we’re keeping a close eye on.

      nick andersen
      web producer | on point radio

      • OnPointComments

        Thanks for the reply Nick.

    • Guest

      Someone did come to his rescue. It’s very clear that you’re attempting to stir up hatred toward working class black people. There’s plenty of bad blood between working class whites and working class blacks. There’s no need for you to add fuel to the fire by lying.

      • OnPointComments

        The poster formerly known as t,

        What part of “The nurse who rescued Utash and stopped the beating” don’t you understand?

  • http://www.google.com Big Brother

    Does anyone wonder about the role of psychotropic drugs in these mass killings? What if it is a side effect in 1 in 300,000 people?

    • brettearle

      The side effects of medications–throughout psychiatry and throughout general medicine–are a serious problem.

      What’s more, some MDs have the tendency to play down side effects or ignore the evidence of them.

  • Oh bummer

    Cornel West: Obama ‘A Global George Zimmerman’

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cornel-west-obama-global-george-zimmerman

  • Ray in VT

    My favorite oddball stories from the week:

    A Holocaust denier and “radical Catholic” (as some have described him) made a geocentric “documentary” and duped a few respectable people into appearing in it:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/the_principle_a_documentary_about_geocentrism.html

    Former Congressman Allen West’s new book has a bunch of fake quotes from a variety of Founding Fathers, plus Abraham Lincoln:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/04/founding-father-enthusiast-allen-wests-book-filled-with-fake-founding-father-quotes/

    That such was the case did now surprise me in the least. Do some people just not bother to see if their “quotes” can actually be found to have been said by the person to whom they are attributing it?

    • brettearle

      Is West normally that sloppy?

      I’m surprised. But I never studied what came out of his office–when he WAS in office.

      • Ray in VT

        I don’t know. One would think that someone who went through a service academy might want to check one’s facts and such, but maybe not.

    • hennorama

      Ray in VT — if former Rep. West ever comments, no doubt he’ll blame these errors on the “… about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat [sic] Party [in Congress] that are members of the Communist Party.”

      • HonestDebate1

        Pelosi, Conyers, Jackson Lee, Waters et. al. sure are not capitalist.

        What do you think of the press secretary having Communist propaganda hanging on the walls of his home?

      • Ray in VT

        Clearly they, along with your president Obama, are to blame.

  • HonestDebate1

    Today is Rush Limbaugh’s annual fund drive for leukemia and blood cancers. He started it off with $500K.

    • nj_v2

      As if giving money to a dubious charity

      http://greatnonprofits.org/reviews/the-leukemia-lymphoma-society/page:1/

      whose CEO resigned amid accusations of child abuse makes a lying, vile gasbag something other than a vile, lying gasbag.

      http://mediamatters.org/video/2011/12/12/limbaugh-calls-poor-children-receiving-free-sch/185173

      Limbaugh Calls Poor Children Receiving Free School Meals “Wanton Little Waifs And Serfs Dependent On The State”

      • HonestDebate1

        Dude, you gave me a list of glowing comments from a site dedicated to “great non-profits”. This is the 24th year, Hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars have been raised. Unbelievable strides have been made. Thousands of lives have been saved. Hope has been given to even more. And you criticize this? Who is vile?

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Media Matters! So that’s who you trust for irrelevant news? Beautiful!

        How can anyone hate Rush? He’s lovable.

      • Steve__T

        Lovable Rush HAHAHAHA HAHaaaaaaa

        Rush Limbaugh Freaks Out About Stephen Colbert Getting ‘Late Show’

        Lots of people have congratulated Stephen Colbert on taking over as host of CBS’ “Late Show,” but Rush Limbaugh isn’t one of them. In fact, to hear the radio host tell it, Colbert’s new job is nothing less than a grave political, constitutional, and moral crisis in American television.

        “CBS has just declared war on the heartland of America,” Limbaugh fumed. “No longer is comedy going to be a covert assault on traditional American values, conservatism. Now it’s just wide out in the open. What this hire means is a redefinition of what is funny, and a redefinition of what is comedy. They’re blowing up the 11:30 format… they hired a partisan, so-called comedian, to run a comedy show.”

        Of course, Colbert will be retiring his faux-conservative character when he takes over from David Letterman.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/rush-limbaugh-stephen-colbert-assault_n_5127182.html

  • Steve__T

    What’s not discussed here. The most hated man in America today.

    John Boehner.

    John Boehner dismisses unemployment extension, again Three Million workers hope for UE Extension because there are no jobs. Well that decision put a grave marker on his re-election. Many Republicans are so fed up they are changing parties ASAP.

    Listen to Boehner, McConnell, Cantor… any of them. Platitudes and rationalizations because their playbook isn’t working any more. They do know that if the administration and the Democrats in Congress are for it then they’re against it. What we’re witnessing, beyond the obvious in their over the top hatred of Obama, is intellectual bankruptcy.

    Boehner suggested Wednesday that the House would not consider to extend federal long-term unemployment insurance unless the Senate passes jobs bills offered by Republicans. So now he says talk to the hand.

    Huff Post article.
    “Listen, I made clear to the president last December that if he wanted us to consider an extension of emergency unemployment benefits, it would have to be paid for and it would have to include things that would help get our economy going,” Boehner told reporters on Capitol Hill. “They have not put forward anything with regard to how we would create more jobs. And so the ball’s still in their court.”

    Pressed further on what specific jobs provisions he would like to see, Boehner again punted to the White House.

    Folks are real tired of this kiss my a$$ response.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Most hated man in the America?
      Hyperbole?

      Most people don’t even know who he is.

    • Markus6

      I think the republicans are a mess in a number of areas like climate change, gay marriage, ACA, defense spending, etc. But they’re the only ones now talking about how we’re 17T in debt and need to to something about it. And related to that is they’re at least thinking of the costs of unemployment and how it’s becoming a permanent entitlement.

      So, I’m not thrilled with the guy, but most hated is way over the top. Not giving away money is not a popular stand so at least he has the guts to say this.

      • Steve__T

        He didn’t even blink when they sent a billion to the Ukraine, OUR own people are loosing everything they have,but we got money to help fight a war. The man has no guts he’s a crybaby.

        • OnPointComments

          A billion dollars is what the US government spends every two minutes.

  • HonestDebate1

    The media’s reaction was much different when a shoe was thrown at GWB than it is now with Hillary.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2014/04/11/media-hillary-shoe-thrower-frightening-bush-shoe-thrower-folk-hero

    • OnPointComments

      “Some people are criticizing the Secret Service, because the shoe thrower caught them off guard. A spokesman for the Secret Service said, ‘Sorry, but we were laughing our a**** off.’”

      Guess whether it was the Bush or Clinton shoe-throwing incident.

  • HonestDebate1
    • Oh bummer

      A lame publicity stunt on her part. She didn’t have any issue with Obama’s illegal drone strikes that have killed thousands of innocent civilians, or Obama’s $5 billion to help support neo-fascists in Ukraine overthrow the democratically elected govt. there.

      Wikipedia has an interesting story about her resignation, saying that it was done to smear RT, by war-mongering, Neo-Conservatives at the Foreign Policy Initiative, Jamie Kirchick in particular.

      • HonestDebate1

        You are entitled to your opinion.

        • Oh bummer

          RT is a lot more credible than CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Wash. Post, CBS, or ABC, the war-mongering ‘Let’s bomb channels’, that are also hemorrhaging viewers.

          • HonestDebate1

            You’re going to have to hold the bar up a little higher to impress me.

          • Oh bummer

            I’m not going to advocate a US attack on Iran just to please you.

          • HonestDebate1

            Who is not more credible than CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Wash. Post, CBS, or ABC? Which channel advocates bombing Iran? Who ever suggested such a thing… I mean since McCain sang that Beach Boys tune?

      • Jerome

        The 5 billion never went to fund the protesters you are referring to as the “Neo Facists”.There is no concrete evidence of such and it is just a talking point on the RT. The RT is nothing more than Russian sponsored News to spin facts. I ask which scenario is more likely, that all of the independent and diversely owned news organizations contesting this funding are lying, or RT? This would mean BBC, PBS, Al-Jazeera, NPR, FOX news, MSNBS, CNN, are all involved in a grand conspiracy even though a FOX and MSN would never collude, or that the RT is fed a false script by its Russian owners. hmm seems pretty obvious to me.

        • Oh bummer

          Regime Change in Kiev

          Victoria Nuland Admits: US Has Invested $5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian, “Democratic Institutions”

          http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37599.htm

          “Democratic Institutions” aka Neo-Fascist thugs

          • ExcellentNews

            I am confused now. I thought Obama was supporting COMMUNIST thugs who want free cell phones ??? But I agree – a President should give US taxpayer dollars only for corporate welfare, or as aid to King Abdullah…

          • Jerome

            I’m not disputing the 5 Billion figure. Only the false assumption that it went to Neo-Facists. No where in this link is there any evidence of funding these organizations and it is quite a leap to say democratic institutions are equivalent to them. These groups are a minority of the population as a whole and have been over exaggerated on Russian media. Just because a population disapproves of a corrupt leader and even government does not automatically mean the dissenters are “fascists” or “anarchists” or whatever else. Its hard to gauge the diversity in that situation when RT only plays their footage of the extreme groups on a continuous loop.

    • ExcellentNews

      LoL – are right wingers watching RT now ??? This is a propaganda channel of the Russian government. But in retrospect, it makes sense. RT is just like Fox News. Both are mockeries of journalism, and both are paid for by the crony oligarchy.

      • StilllHere

        If only NPR “journalists” would admit they cash their DNC checks.

        • ExcellentNews

          DNC? I thought they were paid by Obama’s Kenyan handlers who are hell-bent on destroying America by repealing the inheritance tax for coal, tobacco, chemicals and gambling billionaires…

        • jefe68

          Troll alert^

      • Oh bummer

        The same could be said about the liberally biased American MSM: ABC, CBS, MSNBC, AP,CNN, NY Times, Wash. Post, they’re constantly beating the war-drums, and their idea of news is to repeat White House talking points. Sorry, that doesn’t make them very credible.

        • ExcellentNews

          No it can’t. The news media you list are center or right-of-center. If you want to hear liberal media, I suggest you tune to Pacifica. Just because Pox News is trying to label their competition as liberal does not make them liberal.

          • Oh bummer

            I don’t watch or listen to the Neo-Cons at Fox News, but most of the journalists in the MSM do have a liberal bias.

          • ExcellentNews

            “neo-cons at Fox News”??? Nice way to distance yourself from those you probably cheered for in 2000, 2004 and 2008. American mainstream media is pretty centrist as definitions go, and generally staffed by educated people. But I guess that compared to talk radio (now a monopoly of Clear Channel Inc), Fox News must indeed appear sane and reasonable…

          • Oh bummer

            I’ve never voted for a GOP candidate for President, ever. You’ve fallen into the left-right paradigm theory, anybody who is critical of Obama, must be in the GOP, and anybody critical of the GOP, must be a supporter of Obama. The majority of Americans identify themselves as Independents.

          • OnPointComments

            If you don’t think MSNBC is liberal, you’re delusional.

      • HonestDebate1

        I don’t know who watches it, I got it off of a radical right wing website. And no, Fox isn’t funded by Putin or any government. I suppose the better analogy would be NPR which is.

        • The poster formerly known as t

          Don’t be stupid. NPR has fundraisers all the time. It’s largest contributors are the wealthy, who, I’d describe as economically conservative and socially liberal. That is my personal opinion based partially on the 180 degree change in political opinion on gay rights since the 2004 election. The politics and interests of the wealthy while not monolithic, are distinctly different from those of the working stiff and that comes through loud and clear on NPR.

          • HonestDebate1

            The politics of the wealthy are their choice and it’s my choice to disregard them. NPR, not so much. I have no choice. The degree is irrelevant.

  • Jacob Clark

    I love Jessica Yellin. She has a pleasing voice and is great at handling the program. Good to know we have a back-up in case Tom is struck down by the forces of nature.

  • brettearle

    Well said.

    But some (such as guests) who peruse here, don’t see, or recognize, the nuanced versions or issues.

    And some of these, `some’, are potentially capable of recognizing the dilution from the Wheat.

    That’s all I was getting at.

    I realize that we’re not, necessarily, in the business of giving someone else an Education.

  • ExcellentNews

    I think if Russia invaded America and Obama ordered our troops to defend the country, the right-wingers would find a reason to oppose him. No, that’s not idle irony – the right-wingers are dancing to the payroll of the same kind of oligarchy who rules Russia today.

    • Oh bummer

      It’s a lot more likely that the US would attack Russia. Obama has foolishly bought into the Neo-Con philosophy of American hegemony, any country that refuses to be subservient to Washington, must be isolated, bombed, and invaded. That was the case in Libya, Syria, and Ukraine, to be followed by Russia, China, and North Korea.

      • JS

        Hasn’t that been the case at least since WWII, if not sooner.

      • brettearle

        You’re polluting the Forum.

        • HonestDebate1

          Brettearle please I’m begging, don’t follow your idol to become a schoolmarm. Not only is it annoying as hell it is hypocritical as it can possibly be. Look at this thread:

          http://onpoint.wbur.org/2014/04/10/women-workplace-equal-pay#comment-1330668931

          That my friend is pollution as you two tacitly admit by subsequently deleting much of it. And I am not complaining about y’alls incessant ramblings, I am saying you have no standing whatsoever to cast aspersions.

          • jefe68

            Nor is it yours. Sound advice, you should heed it.

          • HonestDebate1

            You don’t see me doing that kind of thing. It’s sad because Brettearle used to be so charming. You never were.

          • jefe68

            Oh, so I hurt your feelings…
            I thought it was never about you.
            As if your such a charmer, that’s hilarious.

            You and your fellow right wingers are a lot of things, charming is not one of them.

            What you are seeing is Brettearle’s dislike of the constant barrage of right wing BS on this forum. At least that’s my take on it.
            It’s interesting in how delusional you are in that you think you’re engaged in some kind debate or dialogue when it is anything but.

            A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
            WS

          • HonestDebate1

            You have quite an ego to imagine you hurt my feelings. I could not care less what you or anyone, friend or foe, on this blog thinks about me.

            I never claimed to be charming, I’m an obnoxious idiot. I was talking about Brettearle. My passion is honest debate, so sorry that offends you.

          • jefe68

            “When we are born, we cry that we are come to this great stage of fools.”
            WS

          • HonestDebate1

            I love Wesley Snipes but if he said that, he talks funny.

          • jefe68

            WS is William Shakespeare.

            The other part of your comment, which I think is an attempt at humor, speaks more to your ignorance of literature. Which is not as funny as you might think it is.

        • Oh bummer

          You obviously have an issue with the truth, Bert

    • HonestDebate1

      Thats quite an imagination you have.

    • OnPointComments

      I think if President Obama bombed Crimea and Ukraine tomorrow, all of the left-wingers who have been praising him for keeping us out of war would be praising him for getting us into war.

      • hennorama

        OPC — that’s as ridiculous as the original post by [ExcellentNews].

        As is the entire premise, that President Obama might, “[bomb] Crimea and Ukraine tomorrow.”

        • OnPointComments

          As ridiculous as “if Russia invaded America and Obama ordered our troops to defend the country, the right-wingers would find a reason to oppose him.”

          • hennorama

            OPC — yes, as I wrote, above

    • JONBOSTON

      From reading your recent posts and loony diatribes against the capitalist system , I’m forced to ask —which side would you be on? The invaders or defenders?

      • Don_B1

        The Constitutional right of free speech thankfully gives everyone the right to criticize the government and other actors, including you, when they are doing wrong. Your “defense” of oligarchs is wrong from the point of view of anyone wanting a real democracy where everyone’s vote is equal for the decisions of issues of government.

        • JONBOSTON

          Please enlighten me —name a single “oligarch ” in the United States….

          • Steve__T

            You’re kidding.

          • Don_B1

            Sheldon Adelson meets part 4) of the definition.

        • JONBOSTON

          also, pray tell—-who or what is an “oligarch”?

          • Steve__T

            World English Dictionary

            oligarch (ˈɒlɪˌɡɑːk) — na member of an oligarchy

            oligarchy (ˈɒlɪˌɡɑːkɪ) — n , pl -chies
            1.government by a small group of people
            2.a state or organization so governed
            3.a small body of individuals ruling such a state
            4.chiefly ( US ) a small clique of private citizen who exert a strong influence on government

  • HonestDebate1

    Things have changed in that last century. Really, I know it sounds crazy but it’s true.

  • HonestDebate1

    I am glad Obama adopted the name Obamacare, the debacle certainly does not protect patients and there is nothing affordable about it. Ditto the Paycheck Fairness Act which is anything but fair. It’s a handout to trial lawyers. Who falls for such emotion based false advertising? It’s a rhetorical question.

    So now we celebrate 50 years of civil rights. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was what it said it was. The problem is that even when the name fits, the left just redefines the words. Every thing is now a civil right.

    • jefe68

      The right keeps on hoping for the good ol’ days when everything was about being white, male and entitled.

  • harverdphd

    “unfortunately, a page is missing” Gee, ya think?

    • HonestDebate1

      If only they’d lose a few of the 10,000 plus pages of Obamacare regulations.

      • The poster formerly known as t

        You know that lobbyists from private insurance companies helped right those laws, right? Large insurance companies hate regulations but I think they LIKE regulations because they keep barriers to entry high. There are several cases of businesses changing the laws or making them more complex in order to further their own goals. We’re getting to a point where medical procedures are being seen as something that can be trademarked or copyrighted.

        • HonestDebate1

          The problem isn’t the insurance companies.

    • OnPointComments

      I’ve always suspected that Kathleen is more than a few pages short of a full ream.

  • davecm

    I learned a lot this week.

    On Tuesday. Mr. Holder testified in front of the House Judiciary Committee about the IRS scandal and other controversies. He gets cornered and later uses the race card.
    Women voters are leaving Obama, so he plays the gender card against Repubs. Obama states Repubs. are against equal pay for women.
    “If Republicans in Congress want to prove me wrong, if they want to show they in fact do care about women being paid the same as men, then show me,”
    So, Obama show me that women at the White House are being paid the same, or! staffers for Dems. are getting equal pay!
    About Obamacare, just remember what one guest speaker stated, Mrs. Sebelius is leaving before insurance rates go up.
    Harry Reid, poor Harry, keeps on harping about the Koch brothers and their support of Repubs. Curse them sorry billionaires, come to find out Harry has a couple of billionaire friends of his own, the Steyer brothers. Small World!
    And best of all, Al Sharpton is a RAT! Wow! how about them apples!

    • hennorama

      davecm — I must say I’m a bit disappointed in your restrained punctuation.

      One question:

      Exactly what did AG Holder say that you have characterized as “us[ing] the race card”?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        You don’t want to go there, buddy!

        • hennorama

          WftC — TYFYR.

          Are you answering the question I posed to [davecm]?

          If so, you must have misinterpreted the context, or been unaware of it.

          Here’s the exchange that contains the words in your response:

          Rep. Gohmert: …I realize that contempt is not a big deal to our Attorney General, but it is important that we have proper oversight…

          AG Holder: You don’t want to go there buddy, all right? You don’t want to go there, OK?

          Rep. Gohmert: I don’t want to go there?

          AG Holder: No.

          Rep. Gohmert: About the contempt?

          AG Holder: You should not assume that this is not a big deal to me. I think that it was inappropriate. I think it was unjust. But never think that that was not a big deal to me. Don’t ever think that.

          The exchange begins about 35 seconds into the clip in this linked item:

          http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/08/contempt-and-asparagus-holder-spars-with-republicans/comment-page-1/

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            No, it wasn’t a quote but simply a recommendation.

          • hennorama

            WftC — thank you for your response.

            I’m going to treat both of your responses as though you are serious, OK?

            [davecm] stated that AG Holder “…uses the race card,” and since I hadn’t read or heard anything that AG Holder had said that referred to race, I questioned [davecm] as to the specifics of the basis for the statement.

            The goal being to better understand [davecm]‘s comment, and line of thinking.

            Prior to [davecm]‘s reply, you piped up with a comment that just so happened to exactly match some remarks from AG Holder.

            You now claim that “it wasn’t a quote …”

            Please pardon my skepticism.

      • davecm

        Eric Holder speaking at the National Action Network states:
        “I am pleased to note that the last five years have been defined by significant strides and lasting reforms, even in the face, even in the face, of unprecedented, unwarranted ugly and divisive adversity. And if you don’t believe that, you look at the way — forget about me, forget about me — you look at the way the Attorney General of the United States was treated yesterday by a House Committee. It had nothing to do with me, forget about that. What Attorney General has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What President has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?
        Everyone present at that meeting knew exactly what he was implying.

        • hennorama

          davecm — thank you for your response.

          Your last sentence is most interesting. Are you a mind reader? If so, please tell me what I am thinking right NOW.

        • hennorama

          davecm — as a followup to my original reply to you, below:

          Did it occur to you that AG Holder actually meant what he said, and was referring to “…unprecedented, unwarranted ugly and divisive adversity”?

          Is it in the realm of possibility that he was not making any implication whatsoever, and was referring only to, as he said, “…unprecedented, unwarranted ugly and divisive adversity”?

          Is it possible that you and others have only inferred something that was not implied?

  • Mike_Card

    So it’s a bad thing when 7 million people whose only access to health care was the “free” emergency room are now enrolled in programs that provide the same, or better, services? That they now pay for?

    • The poster formerly known as t

      It’s an accounting change. The services they now receive under the “free” emergency room is now offered through insurance companies. It’s unclear as to how the subsidies for low income payers are being paid for without a commensurate rise in taxes.

    • OnPointComments

      It’s a misstatement to say that all 7 million only had access to an emergency room. 3-5 million of the 7 million are people whose health plans were cancelled because of Obamacare, and who subsequently enrolled in Obamacare. A report from the RAND Corporation says that out of the 7 million, only 1.4 million were previously uninsured.

    • JONBOSTON

      The entire premise for Obamacare was to provide medical care for the 30-45m uninsured. If only 1-2m of the current enrollees were previously uninsured, then only Obama and his idiot sycophants would tout the enrollment figures as some sort of accomplishment. Realize all of this “achievement” was accomplished by upsetting the entire healthcare marketplace for 250 million people. Still to happen is the damaging impact of ACA when mid-size and large employer mandates are no longer conveniently waived/deferred until after 2014 mid-term elections. Do Obamacare supporters ever stop to question why these mandates were deferred? Do they ever ask if there are better ways to address the need for universal healthcare coverage? Do they ever ask if the ACA is such a great thing , why have so many organizations, organized labor and groups including members of Congress and their staffs exempted themselves from Obamacare?

      • Coastghost

        And across-the-board health insurance premium increases are just around the corner! (A distinct pity Sec. Sibelius won’t be on hand to manage this as well as she handled the Obamafraud roll-out.)

      • pete18

        And don’t forget a larger percentage of the US population had healthcare under Bush than do now under Obama, at least according to Gallup:
        http://www.gallup.com/poll/168248/uninsured-rate-lowest-2008.aspx

  • Oh bummer

    Exporting Chaos: ‘West spent $5 billion destabilizing Ukraine’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2xBhpFi9JU

  • JONBOSTON

    Listening to Eric Holder and then Obama address Sharpton’s action network calls to mind something I’ve always wondered about but rarely if ever hear addressed by the media or pundits. It is that Democrat politicians appeal to some of the worst instincts of their core constituencies and assume that their supporters are some of the dumbest, most uninformed citizens ( or too often non -citizens) that respond to emotional, fact barren irrational arguments and demagogic appeals.
    Take for example the voter ID issue. If I were a Democrat minority supporter, I would be offended by the arguments advanced by Holder and Obama . It assumes that minorities are totally helpless , incompetent, overburdened individuals unable to obtain a simple photo ID , notwithstanding that photo IDs are required for so many everyday pursuits such as boarding a plane, opening a bank account, buying booze, using a credit card, entering government buildings , Federal and State courts and high profile public events. Or the Paycheck “Fairness” Act non-issue. Democrats assume that women in general , young single women in particular, are so totally helpless , vulnerable and ill-informed that they would be persuaded by such naked fact barren appeals. Bureau of Labor Statistics and university surveys reveal that factors other than discrimination contribute to the pay gap , assuming one even exists. Indeed one by Harvard (?) study demonstrated that for women who have never married but pursued a career, that virtually no pay gap exists. Or consider that women have been most hurt by Obama’s economic policies and that any paycheck would be preferred over the phony appeal of paycheck “fairness”.

    Finally Obama and Holder’s partisan and divisive appearance before Sharpton’s organization is an affront to decency and debases the 50 yr celebration of the Civil Rights Act legislation which should otherwise have been treated as a bi-partisan celebration for this country. After all , the Civil Rights Act, although signed by LBJ , would never have passed without Republican support. It’s too often forgotten that previous administration efforts to pass such legislation failed due to principal opposition from Dixiecrat Senators from the South….. Whining from Holder doesn’t cut it. First you should never have appeared before Sharpton’s group to vent your frustrations. Sharpton ( or Confidential Informant #7) is a serial liar who should have been dismissed from the public scene years ago due to his outrageous actions in the Tawana Brawley debacle. Sorry Mr Holder , race has nothing to do with it. You are an awful AG serving an awful president and have unfortunately politicized your office and should have resigned years ago.

    • OnPointComments

      Democrats and liberals foster a victim mentality. It’s an important part of the liberal strategy and agenda that large groups of people see themselves as victims, and perceive that the guiding hand of liberalism is their only protection. Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D. sums it up in his book The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness:

      “The liberal mind views the world through the prism of ‘pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust, anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and injustice’ for people who are ‘poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited.’

      “Of course, these ‘victims’ bear zero responsibility for their plight, have no control over the rising waters of their circumstances, and must sit on the rooftop of their despair waiting for their government savior to rescue them. Liberals believe any malady known to man has nothing to do with poor choices, bad judgment or weak character. Instead it’s the fault of capitalism, discrimination, global warming, white people, conservatism, big corporations, Christianity, the wealthy, Bush 43, Reagan….and so on.”
      http://townhall.com/columnists/susanstamperbrown/2013/12/10/the-misery-of-the-liberal-mind-n1760135/page/full

      • Steve__T

        So liberals are insane and Dr. Rossiter isn’t, got it.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Now this is comical.

    “What Do White House Press Secretary Jay Carney and Soviet-Era Propaganda Have in Common? They Both Live in the Same House.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/11/what-do-white-house-press-secretary-jay-carney-and-soviet-era-propaganda-have-in-common-they-both-live-in-the-same-house/

    • hennorama

      WftC — it’s pretty clear that someone has too much time on their hands — all those who reported on this, as if it has any sort of meaning or significance, and the readers whose time was wasted as a result.

      [And now me as well. ;-)]

      • HonestDebate1

        Do you have soviet propaganda hanging on your walls?

    • HonestDebate1

      Did you see the photoshopped books to make them look smart? It’s embarrassingly hilarious.

      • OnPointComments

        That is pretty darn humorous.

  • OnPointComments

    I wouldn’t doubt the facts of this article for a moment.

    BOMBSHELL: HARRY REID BEHIND BUNDY CATTLE RANCH SCANDAL, ACCORDING TO PURGED DOCUMENTS
    http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/12/bombshell-harry-reid-behind-bundy-cattle-ranch-scandal-according-to-purged-documents-112136

    Excerpt:

    Amid the growing standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the federal government, reports are growing that Senate Majority Harry Reid’s little-known ties to a Chinese solar energy giant could be playing a major role in the confrontation.

    Reid, D-Nev., and his oldest son, Rory, a former chairman of the Clark County, Nev., County Commission, are both deeply involved in a plan by ENN Energy Group to build a huge solar farm in southern Nevada, according to a Reuters report from August 2012…Land the Bundy family has been using for cattle ranching is getting in the way of that project…

    The acting director of the Bureau of Land Management is Neil Kornze, a former senior policy advisor for Reid…The federal government’s story so far is that the whole showdown is necessary for the protection of gopher tortoises.

    There’s a $5 billion foreign energy project in the works, with Reid and his son directly involved, and his former go-to guy on development issues in the driver’s seat at the Bureau of Land Management…And there’s an American citizen and cattle rancher standing in the way of federal agents armed with guns and the full power of the federal government behind them.

    What could go wrong?

    • brettearle

      LADIES and GENTLEMEN, have you ever noticed, more and more, that when the Right Wing Zealots, in this Forum, ever go after Democrats–in an unproven way and with innuendo– it is almost NEVER with citations from the “Wall Street Journal”; or even with its Twisted Sister, “Fox News”.

      Noooooo, sirrrrreeeee.

      Instead, the Right Wing Zealots, on this Forum, must
      resort, more and more, to the Loony-Fringe Radical Right Web Sites to support their own Head Cases.

      When the Radical Right make such irresponsible accusations–forcing the other side, sometimes, to feel the need to deny a negative–want to know what it is like?

      It is like the Roughshod Right emboldening their adversaries–criminal defense attorneys–who have to poke holes in Evidence or alleged Evidence to create reasonable doubt.

      Here, the Irresponsible Right pokes holes in Democratic figureheads to force the Left to rally the troops for a knee-jerk Defense, without anything close to proof, whatsoever.

      LACK of Proof is the malignant playground of web sites like bizpacreview.

      Well, Your Honor, I submit that the only Reasonable Doubt, here, is the Right’s Ethical Sanity.

      Good luck in the sandbox.

      • jefe68

        I’m struck how they have pretty much taken over this forum, which is amusing on some levels.
        And pathetic on others.

        • brettearle

          When a check-up doesn’t catch the cancer in time, sometimes surgery and radiation doesn’t work.

          • jefe68

            You have to have a sense of humor.
            I’m really not interested in making to many more comments on this or anything else for that matter. The division is clear, each side is posting back and forth and it’s a waste of time. The joke though, is how HD and some of the other right wingers have the illusion that somehow they are debating. It’s not debating, it’s pontificating.

          • brettearle

            Are you thinking of leaving the Forum?

            Massive Desertion by the Left might actually work [in an imperfect world].

          • HonestDebate1

            Very interesting. What do you mean by “might actually work”? That implies you have an agenda, what is the result you seek? Do you think anyone would care or notice if you left? Or me, or anyone? Do you think if there were a massive exodus by the left, the moderators would woo you back? Maybe by restricting Conservative viewpoints? Is that what you mean by “work”?

          • jefe68
          • brettearle

            It’s Funny.

            And that’s not all, Folks.

          • HonestDebate1

            What do you think Brettearle meant by “might actually work”? I find the accidental revelation astonishing.

          • jefe68

            I’m not into spending a lot of time pontificating or even attempting to debate the right wingers who seem to think they are on this forum to “teach liberal BUR listeners” as lesson. Which in an of itself is nothing short of a form swaggering, brow beating with some chest thumping thrown in for effect. I say let them have it. Let them post until they get tired of it. It’s funny how some of these chaps go on about the unemployed and yet they seem to have a lot of time on their hands.

          • brettearle

            jef–

            Thanks for your response…what you wrote made a lot of sense.

            Tell me what you think, if you have the time, of a proposal that I sent to Pete18, far below, about 3-45 minutes ago. …

          • JS
          • hennorama

            JS — almost regardless of the topic, a Monty Python video or reference will get a [Vote up] from me.

          • JS

            No it wont.

          • jefe68

            Yes it will.

          • jefe68

            Oh I’m sorry this is abuse…

          • JS

            No it isn’t

        • HonestDebate1

          Look at the comments from the right. Points are made and defended. Evidence is given and opinions posited. It is all mostly civil and not personal.

          Now look at your replies. Look at the others from the left in this thread. They are nothing but insults, attacking the messenger, distraction and dismissal. The points go unchallenged.

          • pete18

            So true, with a couple of exceptions on both sides the personal attack almost always comes up more often and more quickly from the lefty regulars.

          • jefe68

            My replies are mostly mocking you’re inanity. I do however post some factual comments, but you lot are not interested in facts. You have an illusion that you are posting things factual, but time and again they have been shown to be completely bogus.

          • brettearle

            It’s true.

            And, as Cochrane said about Simpson, they’re in “Massive Denial”.

            They think that dribs and shreds of reports mean malfeasance, corruption, and felonious misdeeds.

            Their mentality feeds on the malignant power of Propaganda.

            That Mentality has often been the clarion call of Fascism, throughout History.

            That Mental Disease recurs over and over and over and over again, my friend….you don’t believe we’re on the road to (spiritual) destruction….

          • HonestDebate1

            That’s funny!

          • jefe68

            Indeed, your clown show is a joke, but not for the reasons you think.

          • HonestDebate1

            I’m rubber, you’re glue…. yadda yadda.

          • nj_v2

            [[ Look at the comments from the right. Points are made and defended. Evidence is given and opinions posited. ]]

            Truly hilarious!

          • jefe68

            A comedy of errors…

        • pete18

          Please define “taken over.” Does that mean there are more people with right of center views posting on an “open to anyone” forum? Or have the right wingers somehow blocked your ability and all those others of your persuasion to post?

          • brettearle

            It is the RELENTLESS onslaught of fecund propaganda that jef’s referring to.

            When one is deluged with Manure, one normally heads to a chlorine bath.

          • pete18

            One man’s manure is another man’s freedom fighter.

            Sure, there’s lots of repetition all over this forum, but the secret way out of that is to ignore it. The other solution is to post something more interesting or insightful and start a different conversation.

            You do that a few times, and get a few more lefties to join in, then you’ll be able to get people claiming that you have “taken over the forum.” See how that works?

          • brettearle

            Periodically, you have always made sense.

            Not always, of course.

            I agree with 80% of what you have just said.

            My time commitments do not always comport with my passion.

            However, It is has been rare, indeed, when I have said anything, on this forum, that has been falsely misleading.

          • HonestDebate1

            Have you apologized to WftC yet?

          • pete18

            If I’m even periodically making sense I’m surpassing my own expectations.

            I get ya with the time vs passion thing. I already spend more time here than I should and will at times resort to the flippant remark for the sake of keeping me from being sucked in even more deeply.

            I see you to be a pretty straight shooter but you seem to be implying that a lot of those that you disagree with are deliberately presenting false information for the sake of propaganda. In those instances, I think a debunking of the falsehoods would be a far more powerful response than the ad hominem retort, which there does seem to be a lot more of come from your side of the choir.

          • brettearle

            Pete–

            Can I assume you will ignore Dutch’s request that declares [and I paraphrase] “Let no Republican speak ill of another”?

            Can I assume that you will take some responsibility for policing your political side:

            When they present unproven innuendo?

            Ad hominem attacks against political figures that are unproven?

            When your side presents radical Right
            Wing web sites–where there are claims that remain unsubstantiated or unreported, anywhere else?

            It is unfair, for example, to compare The Huffington Post to `the blaze’.

            Why?

            Because there are many stories in The Post that can be seen and discussed on Fox News and WSJ.

            But, TYPICALLY, your brethren are reporting more and more from these fringe MEDIA outlets–that go unreported anywhere else, OTHER than on other such fringe venues.

            Typically, when I confronted OPC, above, about Reid and supposed corruption, he had nothing to say to me, about why The Ethics Commission isn’t doing anything about such claims, reported above.

            All he would have said is that the Ethics Commission is politically biased.

            And he didn’t want to be caught claiming this over and over.

            And if he does now claim it–after I challenge him here–it does nothing but simply perpetuate the bacterial run off from all the other unproven and unsubstantiated allegations that we are seeing from The Right, on this Forum, over and over and over again.

            I cannot, and will not, put MSNBC in the category of these Irresponsible Right Wing outlets.

            I have issues with MSNBC, as I do with Fox. But these two media outlets, while often flagrantly biased, are MUCH more responsible than the other venues, that I generically, am referring to above.

            The WSJ would be more than willing to report other reports, from other media outlets, if they deemed these articles credible.

            While I do not expect you to try and censor your political `colleagues’ on this Forum, I don’t understand why I’m not making perfect sense if I suggest that if you take on this responsibility–not that you will–that you can’t ask these participants to try to substantiate their claims from fringe sites, by demonstrating if they’re appearing on more responsible and generally credible Information Outlets.

            I am not talking about impugning the integrity of the participants. THAT is a different matter. I will agree that I and others–on both sides–are guilty of that sometimes.

            I agree that this has to be toned down as well.

            But this entire note, to you, here, goes directly to the core, as to why we on the LEFT, get sick and tired of the crap that we keep seeing of speculation, innuendo, and unsubstantiation–that encourage our personal criticism.

            Does any of this make any sense, at all, to you?

          • pete18

            “Can I assume you will ignore Dutch’s request that declares [and I paraphrase] “Let no Republican speak ill of another?”

            I do not adhere to the Dutchmeister’s request when it comes to political discussions but I understand it in the context of having the party focus on the bigger issue of defeating the ideas of the other side, which for the most part is far more important than the inter-party squabbles. Of course there are exceptions to this.

            “Can I assume that you will take some
            responsibility for policing your political side?”

            No, I don’t have time to be a policeman, nor am I interested and I rarely follow all the threads. However, I do offer critiques to people that share my lane on occasion, particularly if has to do with a topic I brought up or a pet peeve of mine. I even recently defended Oprah, so you know
            I’m willing to cause myself extreme pain on occasion to set the record straight.

            I’m never interested in critiquing people on their sources, only their content. Even the most “unofficial” source can have something right (think Drudge in the late 90s). One reason you’ll see people on the right sourcing things other than the New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC etc. is because we believe (rightly so) that their disposition makes them
            miss stuff or not focus on things that concern us with the same intensity that
            more right of center blogs, or newspapers do. I’m sure there is crap that gets posted by our side and I understand your frustration when you think crap is being repeatedly posted, however my guess is that we would disagree on what’s crap and what isn’t. As I said before, the crap should be easily trounced by a competing source or factual counter argument.

            All that being said, I do enjoy the fact that at least with me, your discussions have mostly been on the topic and to the ideas at hand. I think finding the clarity of why people disagree is the best one can get here, along with letting off steam, which must at least occassionally help prevent some dog or cat from getting kicked.

          • jefe68

            Pretty much, and it’s mostly the same stuff, day in and out. It’s an observation…
            But you carry on… with the right wing meme show.

          • brettearle

            With them it’s OCD Meme Behavior to the OCD nth degree.

          • pete18

            Pretty much which?

            “and it’s mostly the same stuff, day in and out.”

            Houston, we have a pot / kettle situation here.

      • OnPointComments

        The BLM closed the land to livestock out of concern for the desert tortoise. If you want to know how Senator Reid really feels about the desert tortoise, you could ask Harvey Whittemore, Reid’s friend for whom Reid interceded with the EPA to get an endangered-species restriction removed from Whittemore’s land. Whittemore should be easy to find since he has been sentenced to jail for illegal campaign contributions to Harry Reid.

        • brettearle

          So the Cattle Ranch scandal, as it’s referred to above, is supposed to show a glaring conflict of interest?

          Which means that the Ethics Commission has been protecting Reid?

          Is that what we are going to hear, from you, next?

      • harverdphd

        You’re boring.

        • brettearle

          One of the finest compliments, I’ve received today.

          That’s telling me……

    • hennorama

      OPC — this dispute is decades-old now, right?

      If there is some sort of nefarious conspiracy involved, has it also been going for decades?

      Just curious.

      • OnPointComments

        Are you unaware of what has been happening with the Bundys and the BLM during the last week?

        • hennorama

          OPC — TY for your unresponsive response.

          I have paid only marginal attention to this story, but my understanding is that there is a decades-long dispute between the US government and these individuals. A court handed down a judgment against the family, and the Federal authorities are attempting to seize property in order to satisfy the judgment.

          As part of the sideshow, some people not directly involved in the case, including a number of armed persons, have gathered in the area, which is ironically named Bunkerville (after its founder, and not as a reference to doomsday/survivalist bunkers).

          Please correct any errors or misinterpretations in the above.

          [PS: I forgot to add that the people not involved in the case are presumably gathering, using the current vernacular, "because: freedom," or something.]

          • OnPointComments

            As you say, the dispute is decades old. So why the urgency? What has changed? There’s a $5 billion dollar solar energy venture with ties to the Reids. Could that be it?

          • hennorama

            OPC — TYFYR.

            Notably, you still haven’t answered my initial question, which remains:

            If there is some sort of nefarious conspiracy involved, has it also been going [on] for decades?

            As you made no corrections to my understanding of the matter, I will move forward based on my expressed understanding.

            The quote from the piece that you linked to is interesting, but only speculative and suppositional as to any involvement on the part of Sen. Reid and others in this specific matter. The same is true of your questions above, the answers to which I do not possess.

            The quote also includes no mention of why the Federal authorities are rounding up the cattle, which I understand is in order to satisfy a judgment against Mr. Bundy et al.

            It also appears that the BLM has suspended their enforcement efforts due to the volatility of the situation, and the dangers inherent in the presence of a number of armed individuals.

            I again invite you to answer the question I originally posed to you.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • OnPointComments

            While the dispute with the Bundys may be decades old, if there is a conspiracy, it has been ongoing for less than two years. From Reuters in August 2012:

            U.S. SENATOR REID, SON COMBINE FOR CHINA FIRM’S DESERT PLANT
            http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831

            Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert.

            Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.

            Do Harry, Rory, and the Chinese still want the land where trespass cattle pose a problem? Maybe we’ll find out, maybe we won’t. But in the meantime, I have to ask myself why the government is willing to expend so much time and effort, including personnel, vehicles, helicopters, attack dogs, snipers, and tasers, to remove some cows grazing in the desert. I bet the roundup has cost the US government more than the fees the government says Bundy owes.

          • hennorama

            OPC — TYFYR.

            Please remember that I have paid only marginal attention to this story about the dispute between the Federal authorities and the Bundy family, and have relied on you to correct any misunderstanding I may have expressed.

            Therefore I am neither confirming nor denying the premise of your question, “Do Harry, Rory, and the Chinese still want the land where trespass cattle pose a problem?,” as I have no knowledge that strong>anyone other than the Bundy family “want[s] the land.”

            Your source, the piece posted on bizpacreview.com, links to another source, a piece on infowars.com, which does not indicate that the Federal government, or as you wrote, “Harry, Rory, and the Chinese … want the land.”

            Rather, it reportedly quotes “purged documents,” thusly:

            “Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” the document states.

            In case you do not know what the terms “regional mitigation strategy,” and “offsite mitigation” mean, here’s a quote from the BLM, regarding the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (SEZ) Solar Regional Mitigation Planning Project (from the FAQ link, below):

            1. What is Solar Regional Mitigation Planning (SRMP)?

            Solar Regional Mitigation Planning (SRMP) is a unique approach to mitigating the unavoidable adverse impacts associated with developing and operating utility-scale solar power generation facilities on public lands within solar energy zones (SEZs) identified through the Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement for Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States (Solar PEIS). In short, the approach calls for a more strategic, systematic, and collaborative approach for identifying, implementing, and monitoring the outcomes of off-site mitigation actions.

            2. What is off-site mitigation and does SRMP fit?

            Off-site mitigation is covered under current BLM policy and consists of compensating for resource impacts by replacing or providing substitute resources or habitat at a different location than the project area.[1] Off-site mitigation is supplemental to on-site mitigation and is used to enhance the BLM’s ability to fulfill its mission of providing multiple uses on the public lands, while ensuring its resource management objectives are met.

            Solar regional mitigation planning for SEZs would be considered a strategic approach to off-site mitigation, one that specifically identifies compensation priorities based on landscape-level or other ecological, recreation, or socioeconomic objectives. Any off-site mitigation and compensation, including regional mitigation planning for SEZs, would be triggered only for unavoidable impacts that could not be measurably avoided or minimized to an acceptably low significance level.

            [1]This is also sometimes called “compensatory mitigation”

            See:
            http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/energy/dry_lake_solar_energy.html

            http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/nv/field_offices/las_vegas_field_office/energy/dry_lake_sez.Par.3790.File.dat/FAQs%20Oct2012.pdf

            I trust you can navigate to the infowars.com site through your own source.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • OnPointComments

            I know what “are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle” means.

          • hennorama

            OPC — as do I:

            “are not [able to exist for a long time without significant deterioration] with the presence of trespass cattle”

            Was that intended as a substantive response to my post?

  • Oh bummer

    US reportedly starts supplying Syrian rebels with anti-tank weapons

    http://rt.com/usa/us-syria-moderate-opposition-weapons-921/

  • davecm

    For hennorama
    “Exactly what did AG Holder say that you have characterized as “us[ing] the race card”?
    Eric Holder speaking at the National Action Network states:
    “I am pleased to note that the last five years have been defined by significant strides and lasting reforms, even in the face, even in the face, of unprecedented, unwarranted ugly and divisive adversity. And if you don’t believe that, you look at the way — forget about me, forget about me — you look at the way the Attorney General of the United States was treated yesterday by a House Committee. It had nothing to do with me, forget about that. What Attorney General has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What President has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?
    Everyone present at that meeting knew exactly what he was implying.

    • hennorama

      davecm — I read and already replied twice to your original response below.

      I look forward to your responses to my questions and polite request.

      • pete18

        It was either the race card or the goofy mustache card. Don’t see too many other options.

        • hennorama

          pete18 — (or are you [davecm]?) TYFYR.

          I really am trying to understand how one logically gets to “the race card” from AG Holder’s remarks.

          Can you lay out your logic for me?

          I look forward to your response.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            henny — I tried to help you with my gentle recommendation: “You don’t want to go there, Buddy! (or perhaps Sally in your case)” but whoosh — you missed my point and thought I was quoting Holder.

            Perhaps you are genuinely confused.

            Consider this:

            1) The venue and audience
            2) Eric Holder’s history and attitude on race victimization
            3) The historical inaccuracy of Holder’s implication: “What Attorney General has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?
            What President has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?”

            Holder has been publicly called out for playing the race card by many folks, including Speaker Boehner? If Holder wasn’t playing the race card wouldn’t he be offended by the accusation and rush to deny it? Where is his denial?

            Connect the dots or remain willfully ignorant.

          • HonestDebate1

            Bingo.

          • hennorama

            WftC – TYFYR.

            I am indeed confused about your replies, but am not in any way “willfully ignorant.”

            In a discussion of AG Holder’s words, you use the exact words that AG Holder used, yet are somehow not quoting him?

            Please explain.

            You have recently observed my habitual exactitude, so such a request should be unsurprising.

            Let me examine your requests for consideration in reverse order:

            You wrote, 3) The historical inaccuracy of Holder’s implication: “What Attorney General has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What President has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?”

            Please explain. How do you know that AG Holder was implying anything?

            Here are the subject remarks, in full, with the quote you selected emphasized:

            The last five years have been defined by significant strides and by lasting reforms even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity. If you don’t believe that, you look at the way — forget about me, forget about me. You look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated yesterday by a House committee — has nothing to do with me, forget that. What attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?

            Is it possible that AG Holder was not talking about either himself or President Obama as individual persons, but was instead talking about what he and many others perceive as “unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity,” and disrespect of the OFFICES of The President Of The United States, and The Attorney General Of The United States?

            After all, AG Holder did say “… forget about me, forget about me. You look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated …,” did he not?

            Quote source:

            http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/eric-holder-strays-from-planned-remarks-105567.html#ixzz2ynKuLJLP

            Next, you wrote of “2) Eric Holder’s history and attitude on race victimization.” Given the office he holds, it is perfectly legitimate for AG Holder to pursue instances of violations of various civil rights and other legislation.

            Lastly, you wrote about “1) The venue and audience.” While I doubt that the physical location matters, it certainly would not be surprising for AG Holder to consider his audience when making his remarks. What might be instructive is to read his remarks in their entirety, rather than focusing solely on the part of his remarks that differed from those were prepared in advance.

            You can do so here:

            http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2014/ag-speech-140409.html

            As indicated in the politico.com piece linked to above, AG Holder “strayed from prepared remarks,” but that “straying” appears limited to the sixth paragraph of his prepared remarks (which you can find via the link immediately above). The politico.com piece also includes the portion of the prepared remarks where the “straying” occurred.

            As to your question, “Where is his denial?” and related questions:

            While I certainly do not speak on behalf of AG Holder or anyone else, there are times when a denial of an accusation elevates and dignifies the accusation beyond what one considers to be reasonable, appropriate, or warranted.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Ah, so your persistent prodding and questioning wasn’t really about the exploration and understanding of another point of view.

          • hennorama

            WftC — TYFYR.

            Quite to the contrary.

            I am truly trying to both understand and explore these points of view.

            As you might garner from my ongoing engagement with [pete18], I have very carefully avoided ascribing words or ideas to others if they have not actually explicitly expressed them.

            This is a sensitive topic, and I am trying to avoid misunderstanding and acrimony.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • pete18

            Holder: What Attorney General has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?
            What President has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?

            Question: What qualities do the president and the attorney general share that is unique in history? Hint: Obama doesn’t have a mustache and Teddy Roosevelt did.

            Question: What is the main concern of the audience he was speaking to?

            Logical inference: If a speaker was taking to the baseball hall of fame and his relationship to babe Ruth and was discussing “home runs” we would rightly conclude that the most likely thing being discussed was a batter hitting a baseball out of the park and running around the bases.

            If a speaker was talking to a sexaholic convention and the speaker was linking himself to Johnny Holmes, we might logically assume that there could be other meanings when he talked about “home runs.”

          • brettearle

            Pete–

            I responded to you, far below, to something that you wrote, to me, earlier today.

            I’d be interested in having you look at it, when you get the chance.

          • hennorama

            pete18 – TYFYR.

            Unfortunately, your questions only imply your exact logic. I do not wish to propose any inferences as to your meaning, and invite you to be more explicit and exact in laying out your personal logic.

            Therefore I will reply with a repetition of the questions and polite request I first made of [davecm]:

            1. Exactly what did AG Holder say that you have characterized as “us[ing] the race card”?

            Your response above implies your belief that it was not AG Holder’s words, but rather the audience to whom he was speaking, as well as some unnamed quality or qualities that President Obama and AG Holder share. Please correct any misunderstanding, and be specific about the audience, and why they might be a factor, as well as naming the unnamed quality or qualities that President Obama and AG Holder share, and that you seem to believe are significant factors.

            2. Did it occur to you that AG Holder actually meant what he said, and was referring to “…unprecedented, unwarranted ugly and divisive adversity”?

            3. Is it in the realm of possibility that he was not making any implication whatsoever, and was referring only to, as he said, “…unprecedented, unwarranted ugly and divisive adversity”?

            4. Is it possible that you and others have only inferred something that was not implied?

            5. Are you a mind reader? If so, please tell me what I am thinking right NOW.

          • pete18

            “Are you a mind reader? If so, please tell me what I am thinking right NOW.”

            You’re thinking about what a great argument that you think you made.

            Theoretically, it certainly possible Holder meant something else, but I don’t think its likely, given the context, what he said, who he was talking to, his own history and how often race has been used by the left to try to dismiss legitimate criticisms against Obama and his administration.

          • hennorama

            pete18 – TYFYR.

            It is appreciated that you at least entertain the possibility that any inference you and others have drawn about AG Holder’s remarks may be inaccurate.

            I’m not making an argument. Rather, I am trying to understand the line of thought that goes into the statement that AG Holder was “us[ing] the race card.”

            I realize that it may be tedious to answer these questions, and don’t find any fault in those who do not.

            Still, I hope for direct answers.

            Again, I am not trying to put words onto your fingertips, so I will reflect back my understanding of your comments above, and ask you to correct any misunderstanding.

            I have inferred, based on your responses above, your belief that it was not AG Holder’s words, but rather the audience to whom he was speaking, as well as some unnamed quality or qualities that President Obama and AG Holder share.

            You have now added other unspecific factors — “the context,” and “his own history,” and “how often race has been used by the left to try to dismiss legitimate criticisms against Obama and his administration.”

            All this in response to a request for explicitness and exactness, made with the aim of greater understanding.

          • HonestDebate1

            Maybe you can help me Henn, I can’t remember. I seem to recall someone just a week or two ago putting great weight on the audience Hillary Clinton was speaking to compared with the audience Paul Ryan was speaking to when they made virtually the same comment. That commenter (I wish I could remember who) would vehemently disagree with your dismissing the audience as irrelevant.

          • pete18

            Now you’re just being coy or overly concrete for the sake of argument. I bet if you put your mind to it you can figure out the “unnamed qualities.” It sounds like you would need the speaker to say, “I’m going to use the race card now,” before you would feel you could glean anything about subtext or meaning.

          • hennorama

            pete18 – TYFYR.

            Repeating: I’m not making an argument. Rather, I am trying to understand the line of thought that goes into the statement that AG Holder was “us[ing] the race card.”

            Neither am I being coy.

            It’s perfectly fine with me if you do not want to assist me by answering my questions. Again, repeating:

            I realize that it may be tedious to answer these questions, and don’t find any fault in those who do not.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • pete18

            I believe you completely understand the argument and do not need further explanation. You’re smarter than that.

            But, just to waste some more time, here it is in long haiku form:

            Holder complains about the treatment he’s getting. Says it’s unprecedented in history.

            Clearly by any measure this is not true.

            Holder compares the unfair treatment that he thinks he is getting with the treatment that Obama is getting, wants to suggest to us a pattern of unfair treatment with those two examples.

            Both holder and Obama are African Americans.

            Holder does not mention other white administration officials who have been battered around like, Sebelius, Lerner or Kerry.

            If it was just a matter of the current congress being big meanies, then one would think it likely that he would pile on with all the examples he could muster and not just limit it to himself and the president.

            Holder has great reason to want people to think that the critiques he is getting are unjustified.

            The audience Holder is talking to is sensitive to issues of race and civil rights
            and more likely to find sympathy with a complaint regarding race.

            When talking to this audience Holder is much more likely to be discussing matters of race and civil rights over other matters that might be in front of the attorney general or how mean congress is.

            If you cannot connect those giant dots then I am unable to help you.

          • hennorama

            pete18 – TYFYR. Your continued patient and indulgent engagement is appreciated.

            Given the sensitive nature of the topic, I have been diligently trying to not ascribe words or ideas to others if they have not actually explicitly expressed them. To give the benefit of the doubt is part of my nature, and I don’t understand when others do not.

            Ergo, my persistent questions.

            Unfortunately, [davecm], who made the statement about AG Holder “us[ing] the race card” has not responded.

            As such, I have not attributed those ideas to you, and have instead reflected back my understanding of your comments. Here goes, again:

            I infer the following from your comments:

            -You believe AG Holder’s remarks were hyperbolic and/or untrue.

            -You believe AG Holder thinks he is being treated unfairly.

            -You believe it was not AG Holder’s words themselves, but rather the audience to whom he was speaking, combined with the race/ethnicity of both President Obama and AG Holder himself, and that he did not refer to any “white administration officials who have been battered around,” that makes his remarks the equivalent of “us[ing] the race card.”

            Please correct any misunderstanding or misinterpretation in the above.

            Allow me to ask you the same question I posed to [WorriedfortheCountry]:

            Is it possible that AG Holder was not talking about either himself or President Obama as individual persons, but was instead talking about what he and many others perceive as “unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity,” and disrespect of the OFFICES of The President Of The United States, and The Attorney General Of The United States?

            I ask this because, in the subject remarks, AG Holder said this (emphasis mine)

            The last five years have been defined by significant strides and by lasting reforms even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity. If you don’t believe that, you look at the way — forget about me, forget about me. You look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated yesterday by a House committee — has nothing to do with me, forget that. What attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?

            You, Bruce94, OPC, John Cedar, JONBOSTON, and I recently had lengthy exchanges regarding some remarks Rep. Ryan made on Bill Bennett’s show. I expressed the opinion that Rep. Ryan was insensitive and tone-deaf, but not racist, and deserves credit for his public attention to the often-ignored topic of poverty. Some had also expressed the view that First Lady Michelle Obama had made remarks that were similar to Rep. Ryan’s remarks, and questioned whether both remarks were somehow racist.

            I also wrote that it was quite clear to me that each was speaking with their audience in mind, and neither was making “racist” remarks.

            In other words, in my view, both were and are deserving of the benefit of the doubt. The same is true with respect to AG Holder, in my view.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • pete18

            -You believe AG Holder’s remarks were hyperbolic and/or untrue.

            Without question. Easily disproved by
            looking at history.

            -You believe AG Holder thinks he is being treated unfairly.

            Yes.

            -You believe it was not AG Holder’s words themselves, but rather the
            audience to whom he was speaking, combined with the race/ethnicity of
            both President Obama and AG Holder himself, and that he did not refer to
            any “white administration officials who have been battered around,”
            that makes his remarks the equivalent of “us[ing] the race card.””Is it possible that AG Holder was not talking about either himself or President Obama as individual persons,”

            No, it was his words, which I’ve quoted multiple times. The implication of his words is reinforced by the audience he was speaking to and Holder’s past statements on race. Babe Ruth, Johnny Holmes, sexaholics, baseball hall of fame, etc.

            “Is it possible that AG Holder was not talking about either himself or
            President Obama as individual persons, but was instead talking about
            what he and many others perceive as “unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly
            and divisive adversity,” and disrespect of the OFFICES of The President Of The United States, and The Attorney General Of The United States?”

            As I’ve said It’s possible but unlikely.

            Now a question for you, do you think it’s more likely that he was playing the race card or discussing the integrity of the office? “I’m not a mind reader,” is not an acceptable answer. Your best assumption based on the evidence in front of you.

          • hennorama

            pete18 — TY again FYR.

            First of all, I believe that AG Holder was being hyperbolic, which was at least partly in consideration of his audience, as well as the larger reaction to his clash with Rep. Gohmert, which was fresh in everyone’s minds.

            Second, I believe AG Holder was still a bit perturbed about his clash with Rep. Gohmert, and that the clash was the proximate cause for AG Holder going “off script.” There seems to be some personal animosity on both their parts.

            Third, please allow a point of clarification. You’re relying on an inference that AG Holder intended to imply something other than what he actually said. Your explanation of how you came to this inference is extensive, and not unreasonable, but still relies upon your view that AG Holder was indeed implying something other than what he actually said.

            And therein lies the rub.

            Finally, to answer your question, because he explicitly said “..forget about me, forget about me …[it] has nothing to do with me, forget that…,” I believe AG Holder was referring to the OFFICES of The President Of The United States, and The Attorney General Of The United States went he “went off script.”

            Thanks again for your response.

          • pete18

            “but still relies upon your view that AG Holder was indeed implying something other than what he actually said.”

            No, it is actually relying on exactly what he said and deciphering its intended meaning by using some common sense. I’d call that an informed inference, which is supported by all the other factors I mentioned.

            Example: when someone says, “I don’t mean to insult you but…..” and then goes on to insult you, the preface of their sentence becomes meaningless. Holder’s, “forget about me,” is just that, a last minute window dressing thrown over a pity play based on race. He dressed the stage during the final act in the desperate hope that the theater critics would be diverted but the paying audience would still deduce the leitmotif of his performance.

          • hennorama

            pete18 – TYFYR.

            I see. You both reject some of the actual words that AG Holder said, and you conclude that AG Holder intended his words to mean something other than their literal meaning.

            Please correct any misinterpretation.

            Did you apply that same sort of analysis to Rep. Ryan’s remarks that were the subject of some recent controversy?

            Have you read AG Holder’s prepared remarks in their entirety? I ask this because you wrote that AG Holder’s remarks were “a last minute window dressing thrown over a pity play based on race,” and “dressed the stage during the final act….”

            The remarks under discussion were not in his original planned remarks, and were added to the sixth paragraph of an address with 28 paragraphs. I’ve emphasized the added parts of the sixth paragraph, below:

            I’m pleased to note that the last five years have been defined by significant strides and by lasting reforms even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity. If you don’t believe that, you look at the way — forget about me, forget about me. You look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated yesterday by a House committee — has nothing to do with me, forget that. What attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? Last summer, after a narrowly split but divided Supreme Court struck down a key part of the historic Voting Rights Act of 1965, my colleagues and I took action – by challenging specific laws, in North Carolina and Texas, that could disproportionately restrict access to the ballot box among some populations. Let me be very clear: protecting the right to vote – the action that truly makes our nation an exceptional one – will continue to be a priority for this Administration, for this Department of Justice, for this President, and for this Attorney General. We stand ready to assist Congressional leaders from both sides of the aisle as they seek to fill the void left by the Supreme Court’s ruling and help safeguard that most basic right of American citizenship. And we’re bolstering our across-the-board civil rights enforcement efforts to ensure that our work is as strong – and as effective – today as ever before.

            Sources:
            http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/eric-holder-strays-from-planned-remarks-105567.html#ixzz2ynKuLJLP

            http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2014/ag-speech-140409.html

          • pete18

            “I see. You both reject some of the actual words that AG Holder said, and you conclude that AG Holder intended his words to mean something other than their literal meaning.”

            I reject his qualifiers as to how they informed the heart of his statement. If you take the literal interpretation of every word that someone says to be the overall meaning of a statement then you have a lot to learn about language, context and human communication.

            “I have given a lot of thought to it and I have concluded that I’m not introspective.”

            If Holder said that then according to your literal interpretation we would have to conclude that he is NOT introspective.

            “Have you read AG Holder’s prepared remarks in their entirety? I ask this
            because you wrote that AG Holder’s remarks were “a last minute window
            dressing thrown over a pity play based on race,” and “dressed the stage
            during the final act….”

            The window dressing was the, “forget about me,” line. The stage play was his off the cuff remarks. That they were unplanned makes them even more revealing.

          • hennorama

            pete18 – TYAFYR.

            You answered neither of my direct questions, unfortunately.

            Strictly as an exercise, I am going to add a few words to AG Holder’s subject remarks. These words are intended to satisfy your inferences, in order to make your inferences unnecessary. The added words will be both inside brackets, and emphasized.

            I’m pleased to note that the last five years have been defined by significant strides and by lasting reforms even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity. [This ugliness and divisiveness has been directed at both President Obama and myself, solely because of our race.] If you don’t believe that, you look at the way — forget about me, forget about me. [On second thought, don't forget about me, because it is about me, so ignore what I just said.] You look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated yesterday by a House committee — has nothing to do with me, forget that. What attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? [This kind of treatment is based solely on our race, so perhaps we haven't actually made any significant strides after all. Please ignore what I said earlier, about significant strides and lasting reforms.]

            Is that a close approximation of your inference?

            If not, perhaps you might try the same exercise, adding some other words that AG Holder did not say, that more closely match what you have inferred, which you described as “deciphering its intended meaning by using some common sense.”

            Thanks again for your response.

          • HonestDebate1

            Your disingenuous dance is amusing. It would be one thing if you took a position and defended it but you don’t. You take no position and argue semantics. It’s bunch of mush. What is so hard about saying Holder was not playing the race card?

          • HonestDebate1

            The big tell to me is his asking about the treatment of other Presidents and AGs. Holder would have been long gone if treated the same. No President has ever been so disastrous and so defended. All of his policy results are blamed on something else. Holder would have a nervous breakdown if he were treated like John Ashcroft was. Obama is having a picnic in the park compared to the treatment of GWB. It’s remarkable.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    “Vermont’s Single-Payer Dream Is Taxpayer Nightmare”

    States are laboratories of innovation — or so they say. If the peeps of VT actually want single payer — I say let ‘em go for it. Maybe we’ll learn something.

    Any healthcare program (or giveway) CANNOT be backed up by the Federal printing press. It must be pay-go.

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-11/vermont-s-single-payer-dream-is-taxpayer-nightmare

  • HonestDebate1

    I was amused to see a few commenters complaining the conservatives have taken over the blog so I thought I would make some observations.

    The first thing is, those complaining are not at all representative of the On Point audience at large. Neither is this blog for that matter. I have always insisted the show is much more balanced than the comments here. I am as critical of On Point and Mr. Ashbrook as anyone but there is an attempt at balance. Maybe not what I would consider proper balance but who am I? It is clear the show welcomes some opposing opinions as a few malcontents here try to figure out a way to silence dissent.

    I also have respect for Mr. Ashbrook’s chops, he is always prepared and has talent as a broadcaster and interviewer. The moderators are unobtrusive and responsive at the same time.

    I was not the only conservative here when I began commenting about 3 years ago but there were very few others. I think the archives will confirm that there are on average many more comments now than there were when it was an online echo chamber. More conservatives are a good thing. I think the OP staff understands that even if others don’t.

    I also realize many many more read these comment that participate. I often see monikers in the ‘likes” that I have never seen and are not commenting. Many many more just read, I have confidence in their fairness and intelligence as a whole. I’m not here to score petty points. I am happy to let my comments speak for themselves and if my antagonist wants to ignore me or reply with gratuitous nastiness in lieu of honest debate then I am comfortable in the knowledge the crux of the argument will not be lost on the silent masses.

    I, for one, want the left to engage. I want more debate, I do not want to silence them. I want the truth to prevail and am not at all intimidated by it. Ideology be damned.

    I understand the frustration of those who defend this administration at all cost no matter what but that is not honest debate. The economy sucks, Obamacare sucks, the middle east is spinning out of control, Europe (especially the East) is threatened, tyrants are emboldened, brutal dictators (N. Korea, Syria) have a green light, Israel is hung out to dry, the people of Iran, Egypt, Libya and others have had their best hopes jerked out from under them and on and on. Now, nearly 6 years in, the laughable excuses are wearing thin. What are they supposed to do? Put truth over ideology and honestly debate, that’s what.

    • nj_v2

      Still doesn’t know what a blog is.

      Defends Limbaugh at every turn.

      Wants to be taken seriously.

      • HonestDebate1

        Perfect! Thank you.

      • hennorama

        nj_v2 — and:

        Repeatedly types to others that, “this is not your blog,” and, “it’s not about me,” yet the post above contains two dozen self-references.

        Free entertinment at its worst.

        • HonestDebate1

          The only ones I have ever had to tell the obvious to are you and Brettearle. I will do it every time you two start taking over with coded acronyms, german nonsense, back-patting, bossy diatribes and disingenuous framing while complaining to others. I just think it displays incredible gall.

          If you can read my comment and conclude in any way it is about me then God Bless you.

    • JS

      You keep using that word debate; I don’t think it means what you think it means. I tried to debate you about the accomplishments of Sarah Palin, and you wanted to turn it into to a Hillary discussion. Same thing when we discussed GW, you turn the discussion to your talking points no matter the topic.

      • brettearle

        Very, very well said.

      • HonestDebate1

        You didn’t debate at all about Sarah Palin. Please refute what I wrote, I’m still waiting. I gave you a list of accomplishments. You just ignored them.

        Regarding Hillary, you could not list one. The best you could do was say that as awful and hideous as she is, she is sill better than any Republican. But you’re not alone, MSNBC couldn’t do it.

        http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/10/msnbc-panel-wonders-just-what-is-hillary-clintons-unique-qualification-for-president/

        DNC attendees couldn’t either.

        http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/10/msnbc-panel-wonders-just-what-is-hillary-clintons-unique-qualification-for-president/

        She couldn’t even do it herself.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMWZeLqwllY

        She is the front runner for 2016. I have no idea why and that is a valid issue. I understand how frustrating it has to be to back someone who is so inept. I will beat the dead horse and continue to ask why. Meanwhile I take the opposite tack, if you ask me the accomplishments of someone I like, I will dutifully give you chapter and verse as I did with Sarah Paiin despite her not even running.

        • JS

          Thank you for proving my point: I asked you to talk about Palin without mentioning Clinton, you couldn’t do it.

          Because I asked you about Palin, you ASSUME i support Hillary and demand a list of accomplishments. Why should I list Hillary’s accomplishments in a discussion about Sarah Palin?

          This is exactly what I meant when I wrote “you turn the discussion to your talking points no matter the topic.” Thats not debate, thats argument.

          • HonestDebate1

            First, who made you king? You can ask whatever you want. I gave you the accomplishments and then asked what has Hilary done. I assumed nothing, I asked nicely if you supported Hillary and you said you do. I demanded nothing, I merely seek enlightenment about her appeal which was not forthcoming and still isn’t.

            A debate goes both ways but you can’t go there buddy. So now you want to talk about me. It’s not about me.

          • jefe68

            And yet it always is.

          • brettearle

            Again, another Home Run.

            I wouldn’t stop, if I were you. You’re on a Roll.

          • HonestDebate1

            Brettearle, here is the entire thread. Read it and tell me if it even remotely describes the claims made by JS here. No need to report back as I’m confident you will know the answer in your heart.

      • jefe68

        That’s how this chap rolls. He constantly changes the subject or fens some kind of right wing meme as proof to back up his rhetoric. It’s not debating, it’s pontificating. As his answer to your query proves. Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
        MT

        • HonestDebate1

          Did you see the rebuttal to the requested Sarah Palin accomplishments? You couldn’t have because there wasn’t one. Just attacks on me.

          • jefe68

            I don’t give a toss about tossers.

          • HonestDebate1

            That’s deep.

          • jefe68

            Do you really think that you’re engaged in some kind of deep political discourse?
            Really?

          • HonestDebate1

            Who said that? I have made clear I’m an idiot. How many times must I say it?

          • jefe68

            Now you’re contradicting yourself.

          • HonestDebate1

            I’ve always maintained I’m an idiot but I’m an honest one.

          • JS

            Why should I rebut? I never disparaged Palin. I merely asked if you could list her accomplishments without talking about Hillary, and you couldn’t.

          • HonestDebate1

            I didn’t mention anything about Hillary, I asked what has she done after listing a few of Palin’s accomplishments. How is that saying anything about Hillary? It’s not.

            And don’t forget what you were responding to:

            “I love Sarah Palin and certainly Hillary cannot hold a candle to her accomplishments but I’d go with Condi Rice.”

            I clearly interpreted your challenge to be to back up my claim comparing the two. I did. You could not refudiate it.

          • JS

            Whats to repudiate?

            Again, my challenge: Can you answer what are Sarah Palin’s accomplishments without resorting to mentioning anything about Hillary?

            You couldn’t.

          • HonestDebate1

            Did you even read my comment?

          • JS

            No, I didn’t. The words, “What’s to repudiate” just popped into my head.

            You misinterpreted my challenge because you make everything an argument. I didn’t endorse or disparage anyone, just asked you to complete a simple task, one which you misunderstood.

          • HonestDebate1

            I actually wrote “refudiate”. It’s an inside joke.

            I’ll explain one last time. I did not mention squat about Hillary in response to your challenge. What does writing “what has she done?” say about Hillary? What did I mention about her? What? It doesn’t say anything about Hillary at all. It’s a request for reciprocation after I graciously complied with your request. That’s the way honest debate works.

            Not that I feel bound to your rules.

            Now let’s use your logic, you wrote: “Again, my challenge: Can you answer what are Sarah Palin’s accomplishments without resorting to mentioning anything about Hillary?”

            Did you just say something about Hlllary because you wrote her name? Of Course not.

            To summarize, IMHO Hillary cannot hold a candle to Sarah Palin regarding accomplishments. Thank you for not questioning that. Thank you for calling Hillary vile. You say you support her so it seems to me you would not let my comment stand as you have.

          • JS

            It’s not about rules. I asked a question, you have no obligation to answer, but you did. You mentioned her name. You lose the challenge.

            You prove my point over and over. You are absolutely determined to make this an argument about Palin v. Hillary.

            I have no horse in that race, so I have no need or desire to refute, or endorse anyone.

          • HonestDebate1

            Alrighty then.

          • JS

            ok

          • HonestDebate1

            My question: “Are you a Hillary supporter. If so, why?”

            Your answer: “Yes, because no matter how vile, evil, and unworthy she might be, she’s still better than any Republican alternative so far.”

            And now you say: “I have no horse in that race, so I have no need or desire to refute, or endorse anyone.”

          • JS

            As you said, quite an endorsement.

          • HonestDebate1

            Yes is yes.

    • JONBOSTON

      Very well said Greg although I think you’re going easy on Tom Ashbrook . I’ve been listening to Ashbrook since he first started on WBUR in Boston and found his program to be interesting , thought provoking , and very engaging to listeners of all political stripes. Prior to taking over the 10:00am slot for NPR and WBUR , Ashbrook’s program was much more balanced with articulate knowledgeable spokespersons engaging in a point/counterpoint type show that I really enjoyed listening to. However his present format avoids much of the banter back and forth and his lead guest ( often a news reporter left of center) sets the principal tone for the conversation. If a conservative voice is involved it is relegated to a minor and secondary role and Ashbrook’s questioning often reveals a deep skepticism and disagreement with the point of view expressed. I also feel Ashbrook needs to better balance the callers to his show. Too many left wing callers but perhaps that’s all who call the show. And then there’s Jack Beatty. It’s obvious he and Tom have a very fine relationship and great respect for one another but I find Beatty to be a tiresome 60′s Boston liberal whose views are predictable , typically unfair and one-sided and bordering on Obama sycophancy. He’s obviously well versed on many subjects and very prepared for each program but rarely, if ever, fair and balanced. I often wonder what Beatty’s role is on Friday’s program. If he’s to be a Democrat partisan hack like David Plauffe or David Axelrod , I’d rather have the originals. At least On Point would avoid the phony pretense of “objectivity” that Beatty often attempts to display.
      Lastly , why do I listen? Because Tom Ashbrook, when he’s on his game and allows for a fair and balanced presentation of issues of the day, is simply the best interviewer and engaging and enlightening host that I’ve ever listened to. I donate to WBUR strictly because of Tom Ashbrook.
      Finally, my thoughts on the left wing bloggers on this blog. With the limited exception of a few commenters like Ms Hennorama, they either engage in attacking the messenger ( but never their message) or spew typical left wing loony rant mixed with caricature and cartoon characterizations. They rarely make a well reasoned logical argument in support of their views. If they feel more conservative points of view have over taken this is blog , I think it’s because they are unable to debate and defend with any level of persuasion their point of view. Maybe it’s my advancing years but unlike you , I find it harder and harder to listen to some of the garbage that spews from these bloggers, much of which borders on idiocy.

      • HonestDebate1

        Thanks Jon. I have been listening for only about 4 years. It took me about a year to finally get fed up enough to call in only to learn I was listening to a rebroadcast. So I came here. And maybe I am cutting him too much slack but I don’t have the context you do, the show has been about the same as long as I’ve been listening. I was also mainly putting it in the context of this blog which makes Tom look like Rush in comparison.

        I think you are being a little easy on Hennorama but you know what, I don’t want o elaborate. Just because others (she’s not the only one) butt in badmouthing me to strangers doesn’t compel me to do the same. I just don’t care.

        Regarding the bloggers I agree with you. Dr. Krauthammer wrote a great piece about it the other day.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-thought-police-on-patrol/2014/04/10/2608a8b2-c0df-11e3-b195-dd0c1174052c_story.html

        • JONBOSTON

          Greg,
          pick up Krauthammer’s “Things that Matter” if you haven’t done so already. Great read from a brilliant mind.

          • HonestDebate1

            It’s on my list, thanks.

      • hennorama

        JONBOSTON — thanks for the mention.

        Often what seems like a small thing can have an outsized impact. That’s one reason I habitually thank those who reply to my comments. A little courtesy can go a long way.

        It’s not always easy to disagree and dispute without being disagreeable, but that remains my goal. I fail rather spectacularly at times, but try to learn from those experiences.

        (And I’ll renew my prior caution as to your use of “Ms” when referring to [hennorama].

        Thanks again for the mention.

    • jefe68

      Truth over ideology and honestly debating…
      You keep on using this false pretense of debating and looking for truth. As long as it’s your truth and the debate is about your ideology.

      What a joke.

      • HonestDebate1

        My comments are here for anyone to read, you hide yours. I am happy to debate any issue you raise as long as it’s not about me. You should try it.

        • jefe68

          I’m not hiding a thing. You can read them in the context to the shows I posted on. You’re not debating.

    • Fredlinskip

      You were doing pretty well there until you hit upon your last paragraph at which time your Fox “News” persona took over.

      That said, I might have to give you a “like” for efforts to encourage respectful conversation and the “thumbs up” you gave Tom & co.

      As far as your last paragraph I would argue that Obama’s gray hair is there for a reason. I would argue that the extent and diversity of problems his administration has had to face, both foreign and domestic, has been quite a bit more diverse then his predecessor.

      In the wake of 9/11, W basically had pretty much unlimited resources, and Congressional support- both of which he squandered with apparent deliberate intent.

      Contrast that with the “support” Obama has received from GOP during his term.

      Buoyed by a huge economic bubble, W didn’t even fret about domestic issues and instead spent his days playing with a deck of cards with pictures of all his favorite alleged “terrorists”. He breezed by all the warnings of economic collapse, and made sure all his wealthy buddies received no bid contracts and did all he could to ensure oil prices quadrupled in a couple years.

      Compare that with the economic disaster Obama had to face on his arrival.
      If it’s “about the economy, stupid”, I find it hard to believe anyone in their right mind could argue that GOP are better at handling economic questions- except that they seem to primarily watch out for those who already have so much wealth they know not what to do with, except to invest abroad.

      As far as foreign affairs, I believe Obama has handled them about as well as possible, considering the country’s current distaste with foreign military entanglements, after W’s misadventures,

      As far as middle East, W ignored Palestine/ Israel question entirely except to wholeheartedly endorse Israel’s use of military force.

      ACA? It’s too bad GOP were more intent on making Health Care reform “Obama’s Waterloo” as part of their “one term president” strategy.
      Had they chosen to work together with Dems for the benefit of the American people, perhaps we would have ended up with a better product.

      As it is, Dems have made a politically courageous attempt to confront Halth Care issue that all economists seem to agree, if left unchecked, threatened to totally engulf our economy.

      Meanwhile, GOP have fine-tuned a brilliant strategy-
      Do nothing, attempt nothing, risk nothing, obstruct everything, and lay blame on all problems on others.

      The Party of Nothing

      There’s truth over ideology for you.

      • HonestDebate1

        You at least replied with an opinion you defended. I guess I’ll take that. Thanks.

        • Fredlinskip

          I hope the intent of endorsing the concept of “honest debate” wasn’t lost amidst my tirade.

          • HonestDebate1

            No, it wasn’t and I appreciate it. I will say this though, we both expressed our opinions and the past has taught us we probably will never agree with the other’s respective tirades. For that reason I see no purpose in trying to iron it out and will save it for current events.

          • Fredlinskip

            Cool.
            Sometimes I see a comment by you or someone else that COMPELS me to respond if for no other reason then to deflect gist of comment lest some poor unsuspecting innocent should read offending comment and think that it actually made some kind of sense.

            “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.”

            later.

    • jimino

      Why would anyone on the left defend Obama?

      Because of his liberal military and foreign policy?

      Because he made his signature legislative achievement the implementation of the right’s long-proposed health care payment scheme?

      Because he has gone to the mat to stem rising economic inequality?

      Because he has gone after the malefactors of wealth who run our financial system like a tenacious bulldog with all legal means at his disposal?

      He’s the best thing to ever happen to the reactionary causes that define current so-called conservatism.

      Your problem is that you perceive anyone who disagrees with your oft ill informed and thought out criticism as a defender of your target. Usually the defense is simply of true honest debate.

      • HonestDebate1

        Good question.

        Unilateral action, ceding leadership to France regarding Libya, speaking loudly with no stick in Syria, announcing a surrender date on the same day as announcing escalation is Afghanistan, dissing Israel, handing Fallujah back to Al Qaeda and cutting military spending to the bone are certainly liberal foreign policies. And the left certainly supports them but again, I can’t tell you why.

        That’s just silly but even if it were true it’s like blaming the Wright brothers for missing flight 370.

        Economic disparity has widened greatly under Obama.

        Wall Street is having the time of their lives under Obama with QE 1 thru umpteen.

        Please don’t tell me what I think.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      This is a very important post.

      You and I agree that it is disappointing that so many of the commentators here have a desire to silence those they disagree with. It is a particularly dangerous kind of zealotry that threatens our Republic and the Market Place of Ideas. When one side of a difference of opinion calls for censorship of the other side it is because they realize that they are loosing. Those that are unable to make persuasive arguments in support of their opinion often lash out at those they are debating with.

      These comment threads are chock-full of bad arguments and distracting comments. I find this the most troubling of all. Each side of a debate would have to agree on some basic rules of the game or nothing would ever be resolved. With out that agreement replies can be produced Magic-Eight-ball style:
      1) How can you be so stupid?!!
      2) That isn’t a factual source!!!
      3) How can you be so morally bankrupt?!!
      4) etc, etc, etc…
      It can be tedious and cause a patient man to sputter in frustration. (And Lord knows I am not a patient man.)

      So what should we do?

      • HonestDebate1

        RWB, I am gratified you share my concern and I have much to say as well as a question or two for you. A thoughtful reply will require more time than I have right now. Please check back.

      • HonestDebate1

        My big fear is this blog represents America but I don’t think it does. I have to cling to my faith in my fellow man but it is shaken after 2012. We have never seen anyone as shameless, radical and focused on his agenda at all cost as Obama. We are very close to a tipping point where the inmates outnumber the staff in this asylum. That worries me.

        Regarding this place, it is always helpful to realize many people who do not comment, read. I have to constantly reming myself of that. Hopefully our debates are not lost on them. We have truth and logic on our side. If we didn’t, those who do comment would not be so angry. They would simply put us in our place. So in a way, that is encouraging. I think it is very important to keep on making sound argument made without apology. I chose my moniker many years ago knowing I was putting a bullseye on my back. I want to be challenge and be worthy of it. I want to be held to a higher standard because of it and rise to the challenge. I see that in you too. I think it’s important to keep on keeping on.

        I also think it’s important to hold On Point’s (and other’s) feet to the fire. We should not accept institutionalized propaganda and need to out it wherever we can.

        Beyond that, I applaud your efforts with the Tea Party. It’s crucial.

        As for the tactics here, I often readily admit I’m an idiot in an effort to take it off the table and get to the issue. I could not care less what people thing of me, I think civility is very important. My problem is with accusations of racism which I cannot cop to in the same fashion. After a while I can no longer no civil. I do not know of a way to respond to accusations I advice lynchings because I live in the South, civilly. There are a few commenters, and only a few, that I would punch in the mouth if they said the same things to my face. I have never been in a fight in my life. I have begun to jump in the gutter and give them the what for. I am not sure that is prudent but I am sure letting it stand or accepting the premise is not prudent either. I could use your help with that one. I just refuse to avoid important issues out of a fear of being labeled racist.

        I thought about appealing to the moderators to weigh in. I do not favor banning and can’t even bring myself to down vote because of it’s anonymity, I’d rather just reply with disapproval. On Point cannot possibly appreciate these vile, shallow comments and if they do then they are the enemy. I’m not ready to say that. I would like to see the moderators create a down vote that was labeled as theirs for extreme nastiness. Just leave it there. I think the libs here want approval and think they have it from OP. Maybe they don’t and should be told so. Until we demand accountability without suggesting censorship we cannot assume anything devious from OP. We cannot dismiss it either. Does Mr. Ashbrook receive marching orders from the DNC? If so, it must be called out. Does he approve of the shallow cries of racism? I don’t know. My gut is conflicted, my brain says be fair. Somehow we must force the issue without apology.

        That’s the crux. Honest debate without apology. Relentless accountability without fear. We cannot be cowed into submission. We cannot surrender the debate. We cannot say it’s not worth the trouble. It is.

  • hennorama

    And now for something completely different….

    Good News!

    Headline: “Cure Rate for Experimental Hepatitis C Drug Tops 95%”

    WebMD News from HealthDay

    By Steven Reinberg

    HealthDay Reporter

    THURSDAY, April 10, 2014 (HealthDay News) — Researchers report that an experimental drug has cured more than 95 percent of patients infected with hepatitis C, including some who failed other treatments.

    If it wins approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, this new drug, called ABT-450, could potentially compete with another innovative hepatitis C medication that costs $1,000 a day.

    Nearly 3 million Americans have hepatitis C, a disease that can cause liver cirrhosis and cancer.

    These newer, advanced treatments are better-tolerated and easier to take than interferon, the traditional standard treatment for hepatitis C, researchers say.

    And now … the Bad News:

    Subheadline: “But high costs of newer medications is a concern, experts say”

    See:
    http://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/news/20140410/cure-rate-for-experimental-hepatitis-c-drug-tops-95-percent?page=1

  • Coastghost

    Predictions are ever whimsical exercises, thus: Kathleen Sebelius will be remembered for the botched roll-out of Obamafraud because she was succeeded by a woman, but Hillary Clinton will not be remembered for Benghazi because she was succeeded by (gulp) John Kerry.
    In both cases, failures erupting at the ends of the respective secretary’s terms clearly both are connected to and with the current occupant of the White House.
    Can Obama be legitimately viewed as an enabler of feminist failure, insofar as he permitted or requested each secretary to remain on the job until some fairly arbitrary temporal marker was reached, during the explicit course of which in both cases the failures in performance emerged? or when, in leaving a cabinet post, does “disengagement” from the job actually occur and take place? What designee assigned to cover for a departing cabinet secretary mangles the job without getting cited for it?

  • Oh bummer

    U.S. Gov’t Study Pays Mexican Male Prostitutes For Not Getting STDs

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-scheiner/us-govt-study-pays-mexican-male-prostitutes-not-getting-stds

  • Coastghost

    All kinds of people have sound reasons for not supporting the minimum wage:

    http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/04/minimum-wage-hikes-and-real-net-wages.html

    • Don_B1

      “Sound” reasons? Only in a twisted way.

  • HonestDebate1

    I kind of like Mike Huckabee’s politics although I have some polar opposite views. I swear on a stack of Bibles I am not a Christian but Christians don’t bother me much because I think the office requires a belief there are bigger things than yourself. However, his statement was a bit over the top. I don’t think he helped himself.

    http://twitchy.com/2014/04/12/mike-huckabee-im-beginning-to-think-theres-more-freedom-in-north-korea/

  • OnPointComments

    An interesting article and 6-1/2 minute program from NPR about the most open and transparent administration in history.

    The TakeAway: ‘A NEW LEVEL OF SECRECY AND CONTROL’: JILL ABRAMSON ON THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE
    http://www.thetakeaway.org/story/new-level-secrecy-and-control-nytimes-chief-jill-abramson-obama-white-house/

    Excerpt:

    Jill Abramson succeeded Keller as executive editor [of the New York Times] in July 2011, in the midst of the Obama era. She tells Takeaway host John Hockenberry that the White House’s relationship with the press has only deteriorated.

    “The Obama years are a benchmark for a new level of secrecy and control,” says Abramson. “It’s created quite a challenging atmosphere for The New York Times, and for some of the best reporters in my newsroom who cover national security issues in Washington.”

    Abramson says that the Obama Administration uses legal loopholes to make things difficult for journalists and media organizations. She says, for example, that the Obama Justice Department pursues cases against reporters under an obscure provision of the 1917 Espionage Act.

    “I think, in a back door way using an obscure provision of an old law, they are tip-toeing close to things that, here in the United States, we’ve never had,” says Abramson.

  • Oh bummer

    Israel destroys aid projects in West Bank to make room for settlements

    http://rt.com/news/israel-palestinian-humanitarian-settlements-244/

    How much longer is the US going to send over $3 billion a year to the nation that happens to be one of the worst violators of human rights on the planet?

    • JS

      As long as the people who run want to court the Jewish and Evangelical vote.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    “Sharyl Attkisson Slams CBS News, Obama Admin’s ‘Chilling Effect’ on Reporting”

    Ms. Attkisson has some strong views on the death of investigative journalism and the changes in the industry between the Bush regime and the Obama regime.

    Perhaps Tom could spend an hour with Ms. Attkinson. I suspect she would be a great guest and easily fill an hour w/ Mr. Ashbrook.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sharyl-attkisson-slams-cbs-news-obama-admins-chilling-effect-on-reporting/

    • HonestDebate1

      That’s a great idea, I hope On Point considers it. As a matter of fact I think the subject of the death of investigative journalism is a worthy topic whether or not Ms. Attkinson is available. I don’t know how the case could be made that the press vetted Obama, Obamacare and the rest any meaningful way. The press certainly came out guns ablazing with Christie.

  • HonestDebate1

    I know we have a contingent of commenters from Vermont. We also have a number of commenters who advocate a single payer system. Vermont is proposing a single payer system under Obamacare. I am cool with that on the State level. I think it’s nuts but within the State’s rights. The problem is they can’t figure out how to pay for it. That is obviously one of the many problems with a single payer system but it hits closer to home on the State level because for some reason many assume the Federal government has money. They don’t have a dime.

    I’d be interested in the thoughts of Vermonters.

  • HonestDebate1

    Elijah Cummings was a guest on “Face the Nation” today. He was not asked about this. Three of the four major networks didn’t bring the IRS up at all despite revelations of unacceptable bias.

    Journalism is dead.

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