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Hillary Clinton And The 2016 Question

The plans of Hillary Clinton. She’s very visible. Is she running for the Presidency, 2016? We’ll look at the for and against around Hillary Clinton.

Former President Bill Clinton, left, listens as former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks during a student conference for the Clinton Global Initiative University, Saturday, March 22, 2014, at Arizona State University in Tempe, Ariz. (AP)

Former President Bill Clinton, left, listens as former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks during a student conference for the Clinton Global Initiative University, Saturday, March 22, 2014, at Arizona State University in Tempe, Ariz. (AP)

Barbara Bush thinks America should have had enough of political dynasties.  And maybe she’s right.  But people still talk about Jeb Bush in 2016.  And they certainly talk a lot about Hillary Clinton.  Lately, Hillary Clinton is all over.  High-profile and talking a lot, about everything except whether or not she’ll run for the presidency.  She’s got the résumé, the battle scars, the gravitas, the supporters.  She’s got Bill and Benghazi.  On Election Day, she’d be 69, the same age as Ronald Reagan when he first took the White House.  This hour On Point:  Hillary Clinton and the 2016 question.

– Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Charles Cook, editor and publisher of the Cook Political Report. Columnist for The National Journal. (@cookpolitical)

Alex Seitz-Wald, national political reporter for The National Journal. (@aseitzwald)

Amie Parnes, senior White House correspondent for The Hill. Co-author of “HRC: State Secrets and the Rebirth of Hillary Clinton.” (@amieparnes)

From Tom’s Reading List

POLITICO: Hillary Clinton’s delay: Freeing the field or human shield? – “The claim has hardened into accepted fact among many Democratic operatives: Hillary Clinton is freezing the Democratic 2016 field as she waits until possibly late this year to decide on another presidential run. It’s virtually impossible for anyone other than Clinton to raise money or build a campaign infrastructure, the thinking goes, with Clinton hovering overhead.

Washington Post: How Hillary Clinton can correct the biggest mistake she made in 2008 — “The question is whether Clinton has learned the lesson of that first, unsuccessful campaign.  Whether she — and the team she has built/is building/will build — understand that her gender, far from being a negative, is actually the strong argument in her favor in the eyes of voters. ”

The Hill: Hillary’s Hit Lit — “Almost six years later most Clinton aides can still rattle off the names of traitors and the favors that had been done for them, then provide details of just how each of the guilty had gone on to betray the Clintons—as if it all had happened just a few hours before. The data project ensured that the acts of the sinners and saints would never be forgotten.”

Read An Excerpt From “H.R.C.” by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes

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  • Shag_Wevera

    If she senses a right-wing wave election, she probably won’t run. She seems to have a big ego, and likely doesn’t want her last run to be a loss. As far as a righty wave, the demographic wave is coming so this might be one of your last go-arounds.

    • John Cedar

      She is running. She knows she is running.
      Her biggest worry is if the democrats show their true color mysgonist tendencies and support Biden instead.

      Her nails on a chalkboard voice will be be a stark contrast to the current POTUS’s hypnotic, electronically enhanced baritone voice of platitudes. Which might mean she and the democrats will need to come up with something of substance to run on, that is not based on lies, exaggeration and hate, for a change.

      • Ray in VT

        You’ve confused the Democrats with the GOP.

  • Shag_Wevera

    If Bill could run, the right might not even bother nominating a candidate.

    • Ray in VT

      They could always run ole Bubba as the Veep.

      • John Cedar

        Then once Hillary won, she could end up like Vince Foster and BAMMM…Bubba as POTUS again.

        • Ray in VT

          Sure, except for that Constitution thing.

    • John Cedar

      Since Clinton pretty much ran the country like a Tea Party member would, the right would simply nominate Bill as their candidate

  • Ed75

    Hilary C. was at the UN recently and argued that abortion was a human right that should be available to all. This is her major plank, just so people know it. She wants to promote abortion around the world, as the U.S. is now doing under Ob.

    • Ray in VT

      “her major plank”? As in more important than any other? I highly doubt that. I see nothing controversial in her wanting women around the world to have access to the full range of family planning options. How exactly is President Obama promoting abortion around the world?

      • Shag_Wevera

        When Ed says “promote abortion”, he means “not criminalizing” it.

      • Ed75

        By major plank I mean that she will compromise on other planks, but not on that one: abortion at any stage of pregnancy. And that a lot of her funding comes from abortion providers. President Obama, like President Clinton, repealed the Mexico City accords so that American funding can now support abortion providers in other countries. And the U.S. is saying to poorer countries: if you don’t have so many abortion clinics, we won’t provide funding for the poor. President O. (do you remember the novel ‘O’?) won’t compromise on this either, that’s where much of his funding comes from also. P.P. is international, of course.

        • Bluejay2fly

          I would never be party to an abortion ,but the planet is over crowded and guess what? Third world CHRISTIAN nations are a large part of that problem. Maybe if the Catholic Church didn’t frustrate birth control efforts this problem would be slightly better.

          • Ed75

            Well, the Church doesn’t advocate that couples have as many children as possible. They advocate rational judgements, and they suggest methods that are more in keeping with human nature and human dignity and the meaning of sexual love (see Theology of the Body). There is some disagreement about over-population, we’re seeing aging societies that need more young people.

        • Shag_Wevera

          ED75, the Catholic church has proven to be pragmatic over time more than anything else. Eventually the stances will change to follow the flock. They will never allow themselves to become irrelevant. What will you do?

          • Ed75

            Well, my only point is that if one is against legalized abortion and tax payer money for abortion, at home and abroad, one can’t support Hillary Clinton. As to the Church, I will change my position the day the Church does, since it can’t happen. But the Church does offer women healing and forgiveness from abortion.

          • Don_B1

            That was what the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland did for the poor woman who needed an abortion for a medical condition from which she died because the RC Church refused?

            Some healing!

          • Ed75

            I think that episode was largely misreported by the media. The Church proposes that the life of the woman and the unborn child both be considered and protected.
            So, in that situation, they would try to save the life of the mother and the child. If the child had to be removed from the womb to save the mother’s life, they would try to keep it alive in a neonatal unit. If it died, they tried.
            The direct and intentional killing of an unborn child then doesn’t seem to ever be medically necessary.
            On a related note, Priests for Life just sent around a list of US women who died in abortion clinics, about 200 names, ages, cities, quite sad.

        • Ray in VT

          So Hilary is for all abortion all the time? I highly doubt that. Her position, which I do not know, likely reflects the majority position where increasing restrictions later in the pregnancy are supported by most.

          Do you have some proof that “a lot of her funding comes from abortion providers”?

          What you cited isn’t supporting abortion. Funding organizations, who may offer abortion services, even in limited circumstances, to provide contraception, STD testing or pap smears and such is just good for women’s health. If women’s options are limited, and we cut off women from a limited pool of survivors, then women will suffer in order to pander to ideology.

          I don’t want President Obama to compromise on this one either. My wife’s uterus is not on the table for discussion by politicians as far as I am concerned.

          • Bluejay2fly

            Amen

          • Ray in VT

            My wife and I have talked about the issue of abortion. She is of the opinion that she could personally never have one, but she does not believe that it is her place to make that decision for another woman.

          • Bluejay2fly

            I am just a pragmatist, the world is way too over populated. Also, why force someone to raise a child when they do not want one. I agree it should be individual choice.

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t support abortion as a method of birth control, and I do have one friend who did sort of use it that way, but I think that it should be an option. If one is going to go that route, though, then it should be done early on.

          • Don_B1

            I can absolutely understand her thinking, but if not having an abortion meant that she would almost certainly die and leave her other children motherless, would that decision still apply?

            I can understand either choice, but I, personally, could not make the choice for a pregnant woman to die rather than have an abortion and I guess I would argue for my approach.

          • Ray in VT

            I think that such a scenario would likely change her position, although I don’t think that we have actually ever addressed that particular scenario.

          • Don_B1

            I don’t think you are alone in that, which is why I tried to introduce it. The anti-abortionists never mention it because it is the weakest point in their position, and those advocating choice don’t seem to use it well.

            And despite the great strides in medicine, there are a not insignificant number of cases where a developing fetus does not show maldevelopment until even the third trimester. My niece’s daughter was detected as a “blue blood” baby (later diagnosed as Ebstein’s anomaly) and delivered by Caesarian over a month early, but the lack of oxygen to her brain had already left her with some cerebral palsy that has left her several years behind her age group.

            Now that is not a case for an abortion, but there are other developmental failures that are.

          • Ray in VT

            My sister had an abortion somewhere later along due to some sort of severe complications. Being stuffy old New Englanders we don’t talk about it, though, so I don’t know the exact circumstances.

          • Don_B1

            Being a “stuffy old New Englander” is not all bad! I tend to harbor some of those feelings when I see today’s youth!

            But my condolences to your sister; I suspect that it was not an easy time. (You don’t have to convey it as it is probably something that would bring back well-forgotten/buried memories.)

          • Ray in VT

            There is often too much over sharing among many young people. I don’t really care what my friends had for lunch, but they’ll tell me on Facebook anyways. Oh well.

            I wasn’t around then, but it must have been hard. She had three little ones at the time, and I think that my mom went and stayed with them. The harder one was a year or two later when she lost a pregnancy in the 8th month. As of a couple of years ago my brother in law said that he still catches her crying over it.

          • Ed75

            Ms. Clinton opposed partial birth abortion restrictions that many tried to put in place. About the funding, that’s why she and President O. give talks to Planned Parenthood functions, which is making lots of money. (Also see the documentary ‘Blood Money’ with Alvita King about this.) Of course Planned P. provides these other services, which other people can provide, but they make their money on abortion, that is their business.
            The pro-life argument about abortion is not only care and concern for the unborn child, but also for the mother, that abortion harms women.

          • Ray in VT

            I am not familiar with the medical procedure “partial birth abortion”, mostly because that is not a medical term. It is a term created by abortion opponents in order to attempt to influence the opinion of people. Considering that the actual procedure is heavily regulated and rare, and at times medically advisable, I don’t in any way support the move to entirely ban the procedure.
            I’m sure that I can true an anti-abortion, anti-Planned Parenthood piece to accurately portray that organization. Considering the variety of services that they offer, to say that abortion “is their business” is a questionable claim.
            People can claim whatever they want. Forcing a woman to carry through with a pregnancy that they do not want and to potentially care for a child that they cannot afford to feed isn’t helping women. Some women may regret the decisions that they make, but I have a few friends who have chosen to have abortions at various times, and they generally feel that they made the correct decision.

    • Don_B1

      I think that Ms. Clinton has the same opinion as her husband on the issue of abortion, she has stated as long ago as 2005, that she was for abortion as guaranteed in the Constitution that was safe, legal and rare, or never exercised!! See:

      http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2005/01/safe_legal_and_never.html

      But the radical right has to keep a false image of her position alive, so they keep repeating a false statement.

      And Ed75, for all his religiosity is a leader in putting out false messages.

      • Ed75

        The right to abortion hasn’t been established as being in the Constitution, though they’ve tried to establish it. What they have established is that it can’t be criminalized since it falls within privacy (in their view).
        For a long time pro-choice people said they want abortion to be ‘safe, legal, and rare’, which sounds nice, but when they hold up signs at the Convention that say ‘abortion’, when they are against every reasonable limit on abortion, etc., one sees this is not the case. They are funded by abortion providers, its big money for their campaigns, blood money. They are also against the Hyde Amendment that doesn’t allow tax money to be used for abortion.
        In Cairo in 1997 or so Hilary Clinton argued for abortion rights for all women worldwide, she was defeated.
        They could not pass a bill saying abortion was a right, either at the UN or in the U.S., so now they have institutionalized it in O-care, every plan must cover abortion services. They will try to get as close as they can. The media is very much on the side of abortion also – they never present it fairly, even on NPR or NYC, so it’s difficult to get the whole story.
        (For example, Priests for Life just put out a list of about 200 women with names, state, and age, who died in abortion clinics, one will never see that in the news, though it’s public record. And On the Media did a piece about Live Action which was a mockery of journalism.)

        • Don_B1

          WOW!

          The crass lack of any empathy for poor women caught in horrible medical and personal difficulties comes right out here. It is what makes Ed75 the poster boy for dislike of organized religion, where some piece of dogma reigns under all circumstances.

          Even the prohibition (in law as well as the Ten Commandments) has what he would consider “loopholes” of self defense (in law) and lesser charges.

          Ed75 even derides “safe, legal, and rare” and does not even acknowledge Ms. Clinton’s hint of “never” that last which would require much better monitoring of pregnant women, both in capability and in funding for the woman to see her doctor regularly. Medicaid support, Ed75?

          Ed75′s “definition” of “reasonable limit on abortion” basically means making it impossible unless the woman can come up with thousands of dollars to travel to a distant location where it is available.

          And just what were the terms which would enable a woman to obtain an abortion that Ms. Clinton argued for? Not just abortion on a whim, as Ed75 would like to imply by not mentioning them!

          Abortion is not “institutionalized” in the PPACA any more than it was institutionalized by the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade.

          I have not had the opportunity of hearing the On the Media program, but from listening to other issues discussed there, I will take their statements over Ed75′s in a heartbeat. And what gives Ed75 the right to judge journalism accurately, when he is so biased in every opinion he pronounces? He can have his opinion, but no one needs to accept it.

          Ed75 has so compromised his integrity with this and other statements on this blog, that no one should take him seriously.

          • Ed75

            I appreciate the lengthly reply, I guess I have to take it as criticism. All I can say is that it used to be in society that abortion was illegal, and doctors who performed abortions were jailed. (We’re not after the women, who don’t have the support they deserve.) But the pro-life movement, which is never covered by the media, has shown over and over that abortion is not a solution, only the start to more problems, and is not necessary. Women deserve better. And where are the men involved who have responsibilities they aren’t fulfilling?

  • Ray in VT

    Why do we have to be talking about 2016? People have been talking about it even before the 2012 election returns were in. I am just so sick of the continual campaign and the horse race that is electoral politics.

    • Charles

      Tell it, Ray.
      I can’t wait until the next time I get to select between two wealthy pawns of corporations. If these elections were ever about anything relevant to my life, I might pay attention.

      • Ray in VT

        I mean sure, people are looking at getting into the race, or at least, in some cases, people think that they are, but this far out, even if one is inclined to think that the candidates are relevant to his life, I think that such speculation and such is pretty useless, considering how quickly things can change on the political scene.

        • Charles

          Well, you have to start this early so that you can begin soliciting money from your corporate overlords, the better to defeat the opposition’s puppet.
          Because –insert other guy here– doesn’t care about regular Americans!

          • Ray in VT

            Yeah, one has to line up the bucks. I don’t think that Hilary is going to have an issue with that, but she was the frontrunner back in 2006 and 2007 too.

      • Shag_Wevera

        I’m voting my conscience and my nature from now on, which will sadly favor the right in the short term.

        • Ray in VT

          Because you’re going to vote Green Party, for example?

          • Shag_Wevera

            Bingo, Ray. Green or socialist. ACA was such a disappointment to me, that I don’t want to go along to get along any more. Time for something better, even if it takes the rest of my votes I cast.

          • Don_B1

            I guess all I can say is that these things are long-term struggles and if too many people let disappointment discourage them from continuing the fight, the fight will be lost.

            That is not to say that the primaries should not be used to vote for candidates supporting your issues, but even then, the more electable candidate needs to be supported, but in a way that the candidate knows the support is on certain issues that must be supported by those elected.

    • John Cedar

      It is coming sooner than “the sixth extinction”.

      • Ray in VT

        Or the Second Coming. Also, the argument is that we are in the middle of the “sixth extinction”, so perhaps it is coming sooner than the end of that event.

  • Bluejay2fly

    Hillary was born in 47 which would make her 69 (ha,ha, unintended) in 2016. This would make her as old as Reagan which might be a big issue for her.

    • stephenreal

      I love that number. What a great visual…well…maybe not…definitely not. Strike that one from the record.

    • Ray in VT

      Still Bill and Ted’s favorite number.

    • Human2013

      Can’t have a “69″ in a pant suit. Need a dress for that.

      • Bluejay2fly

        Please Stop!!! I just ate breakfast.

        • stephenreal

          I agree! Wat too many pictures in my head. Stop please. My psyche will be ruin all day long.

      • stephenreal

        Can you get impeached with a pant suit on?

        • Human2013

          You can only get impeached in a pant suit. Otherwise, you can just 69 your way out of it.

          • stephenreal

            I fell off my chair with laughter! You are a very funny, funny cat.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            No cigar!

          • stephenreal

            Only if it’s from Havana.

        • HonestDebate1

          Sure, Bill did.

          • stephenreal

            Ha!

    • TFRX

      It’ll be a big issue for her when she starts getting senile dementia, like Saint Ronnie circa 1986.

  • stephenreal

    Senator Elizabeth Warren could give my good friend Hillary Clinton a run for her money. No doubt about it.

    • Shag_Wevera

      I’d love to see Warren as VP.

      • Bluejay2fly

        She would be just as powerless as she is now. POTUS and staff are just figureheads. The most they are allowed to do is cause more damage (Bush I + 2) but they certainly cannot fix anything. That would involve taking money away from corporations and powerful elites. Some non fiduciary measures like gun control run against popular sentiment yet another barrier.

        • stephenreal

          that “gun control” analogy is spot on in my opinion. although I hardly agree with your general take on it like “figureheads”

          • Bluejay2fly

            Also you have abortion, gay marriage, or decriminalizing marijuana to name a few.

          • stephenreal

            all valid in my opinion.

      • stephenreal

        Senator Warren is the so-called “dark horse” of the race for the White House.

        • Shag_Wevera

          Too soon. She should wait for a better time.

          • stephenreal

            Is there ever the right time to run? Not really. Senator Warren should run now.

          • Bluejay2fly

            She barely beat Scott Brown and that was in MASS. imagine her polling in Dixie.

          • stephenreal

            Dixie see’s Scott Brown as just another Yankee. The Tea Party is driving the party into a rural regional power that may no longer poll nationally.

          • Bluejay2fly

            I was so happy Elizabeth won. Unfortunately, I am so jaded I believe that power and money will hem statesmen like her in.

          • stephenreal

            This race is wide open. If she has the fire in the belly? She can take the White House. If not? Then she won’t take it. The movie “MITT” shows these races are brutal on the family. People are mean dude.

          • J__o__h__n

            She had 54% of the vote.

        • StilllHere

          Isn’t that her indian name?

          • jefe68

            Troll^^

      • SteveTheTeacher

        Senator Warren is slightly left of the present center-right status quo with respect to economic policy, but no where near embracing structural change that would ensure guarantees of high quality health care, housing, education / job training, and equitable compensation for degree of work for all.

        With respect to foreign affairs, Senator Warren has refused to condemn drone killings, killing through the use of computer algorithms (crowd killing), torture through forced feeding and the over filling the stomach with water at Guantanamo. Senator Warren has also opposed war crimes trials for those US officials responsible for planning and implementing crimes against humanity carried out in the US “war on terrorism.”

    • wauch

      From your lips to Ms. Warren’s campaign strategist’ ears.

    • hennorama

      stephenreal — perhaps in some precincts, in some states, but not nationally.

  • wauch

    Even Barbara Bush is saying “It just seems to me ridiculous in a country this size that we didn’t
    have other families. I mean we’ve got great governors…other people.
    I just don’t understand it.”
    Are we a kingdom of the many for the few “elites”? We should start by not calling the wealth class “elites” implying the rest of us are anything but!!
    This is why we continue to try to marginalize heroes like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning. They threaten the consolidation of power and retention of it in perpetude.

    • stephenreal

      Conflation anyone?

    • Bluejay2fly

      Anybody who had the opportunity to murder both Georges and didn’t take it is certainly not my hero.

    • John Cedar

      In one of his books, Al Franken tells of his experience about running into Babs on an aircraft. She came off as unlikable, as I always perceived her to be.

  • Matt MC

    As an American, I like that sense of history repeating itself, deju vu with a tiny, entirely symbolic freshness. How about Bush v. Clinton in 2016? That sounds about right.

    • stephenreal

      Gov. Jeb Bush is the so-called moderate of the Republican Party. He would have a toe for toe, blow for blow, knock down drag out fight to win the extreme right wing of the party ala’ Tea Party that is.. to say he is a shoe in would be wish more then political reality.

  • Bluejay2fly

    A comedian once said we will see a gay president way before we will ever see a female. I wonder how that dynamic is going to play out if she runs.

  • Shag_Wevera

    At any time, there is probably one American, more than any other who is qualified to be president. I’d argue that that person has almost never become president.

    • MrNutso

      Mostly, because that one person qualified to be President is also smart enough to know they don’t want to be President.

      • Bluejay2fly

        Yes, most people who want change would never take a position where it cannot be done.

    • Bluejay2fly

      Because they are not a millionaire, a lawyer, or they have a mustache.

      • Ray in VT

        When are we going to get some awesome Gilder Era sideburns in the Oval Office? Maybe even a neck beard.

        • Bluejay2fly

          A mustache is too middle-class that is why you hardly ever see it in corporate America, congress, or the white house. I think the fact that I had one for 30 years combined with the fact I am 5’5 is why I did so poorly in job interviews and the dating scene.

          • Ray in VT

            I’ve been sporting a goatee or beard (depending upon how cold it is or how lazy I am being) since 1998. My wife has pretty much told me that she’ll leave my sorry behind if I get rid of it. I don’t really believe it, but she got her point across.

          • TFRX

            But you’re in Vermont, where facial hair may well be a winter survival tool. I’m somewhat further south in New England and it’s less of a need in my county.

          • Bluejay2fly

            If you do not believe that there is prejudice against mustaches then you are more deluded than Honest Debate.

          • Ray in VT

            I think that there can be in some circles/organizations. All of the guys in my department have beards, as do a decent number of the top guys at my company. Also, TFRX does have a point, although you know about using it for weather protection. I’m waiting for a warm spell so that I can shave much of mine off. I’m getting too shaggy.

          • Bluejay2fly

            I was speaking about the elite circles not burly men in the green mountains or other middle-class venues.

          • Ray in VT

            Oh, we’re all just a bunch of Volvo driving, latte sipping, something or others over here. No REAL men I hear tell.

          • Bluejay2fly

            So your in Burlington.

          • Ray in VT

            Nah. I grew up in Shelburne, but I’m up in the hills. Right in the heart of the Greens.

          • Bluejay2fly

            We fly out of Burlington all the time. Not as unpleasant as flying out of Montreal, a lot less French.

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t mind visiting, but I wouldn’t want to live there. Too many people. Does Plattsburgh not have the flights that you want? The ferry can be very nice.

          • MrNutso

            Mine too. Only shaved my beard once or twice in 23+ years of marriage. Been over 15 years since the last time.

          • Ray in VT

            Even I don’t think that I look right without one. I’ve had it almost half of my life and all of the time that my wife has known me.

          • Don_B1

            I have had a full (trimmed to 1/4 to 1/2 inch) since 1987, when I was home with a medical problem for two weeks and didn’t shave. (And I live in Massachusetts and worked for a company with defense contracts.)

        • TFRX

          Wait a minute, are we talking Gilded Age barons in boardrooms or modern-age hipsters in Brooklyn?

          I for one am prepared to give my vote to the fat cat with the balls to wear a monocle and a top hat.

          • Ray in VT

            They do have some fancy face hair, don’t they. Some of it is pretty awesome. If one call pull off a Rollie Fingers look, then go for it I say.

          • jefe68

            How about Warren Harding….

          • Ray in VT

            He was clean shaven by 1920. Maybe he sported something when younger. I think that the last presidential facial hair was Taft.

          • jefe68

            He wins hands down for having a corrupt administration. But for beards, any of the Gilded age presidents will do.

          • TFRX

            Eh, everyone was clean-shaven by the ’20s. And I point to John Held Jr’s documentation on the subject.

            I think pre-Wilson era when I think of fat cats and their pet pols with facial hair.

          • Bluejay2fly

            Also refer to the Family Guy episode where Peter grew a mustache!

          • TFRX

            “It’s a mustache kind of world.”

          • Ray in VT

            It is funny how these things go. I think that it was during the 1840s that facial hair in America might get one forcibly shaved, or perhaps have it recommended as a “treatment”. I think that it was seen almost as some sign of a mental or moral sickness. At least that is what I recall from at least one primary source document from U.S. History I.

          • Bluejay2fly

            German leaders always looked good in them. I think Merkel should grow hers in.

          • Ray in VT

            I’m reading Barbara Macmillan’s The War That Ended Peace, and there was some beautiful work going on back then. There was also a recent reality show about the guys who grow fancy facial hair for competitions. It was pretty funny.

          • TFRX

            “The War that Ended Peace”? My gawd–I’m reading it too.

            Now that’s eerie. Has anyone seen us in the same room at the same time?

          • Ray in VT

            It’s all just a part of the liberal conspiracy.

          • Ray in VT

            Also, are you liking it so far? I am, but it will take me a while to get through, considering how little time I have to read for pleasure.

          • TFRX

            Yes, very much.

            The background (I was taught “history for engineers”) of the allegiances and alliances and the military buildups, from the end of the Franco-Prussian war to the killing of the Duke really gets fleshed out.

            And it has plenty of maps, which if you’re a visualizing sort like me, really helps.

          • Ray in VT

            I love maps. Most of what is being covered was addressed in my 19th or 20th century Europe classes years ago, but this, of course has much more depth. I think that it would also be interesting to read a good account of the history of the factors and events in the Balkans in the years leading up to the war. I’m not sure how much Macmillan covers it, and it isn’t the main focus at any rate.

          • Don_B1

            The disastrous results of WWI led European intellectuals to decide that European unity was necessary to prevent its repetition. And that led to the Maastricht Treaty, the Eurozone and the euro, which was supposed to lead to more political (fiscal) unity, but so far has not, to Europe’s disadvantage, as its current economic floundering makes evident (of course, not to the radical right, because they want to paint it as the result of “socialism”).

          • Ray in VT

            Did you mean WWII? Whereas we both acknowledge the horrors of WWI, it doesn’t seem that European unity was advanced after that conflict as it was after the latter one.

          • Don_B1

            When you read the introduction in the WP book review, it points out that Europeans do consider WWI as the worst war as it was a tipping point against peace (as Ms. MacMillan’s book title implies) that culminated in WWII (at least that is the European’s hope! – and should be ours also). It is probably true that the coming together to try to prevent future wars did not really gain traction until after WWII, but the Europeans trace the beginnings of downward plunge away from peaceful relations as WWI.

          • Don_B1

            Have you read this article on Ms. MacMillan and, among the flood of WWI books, the one by Max Hastings?

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/catastrophe-1914-by-max-hastings-and-the-war-that-ended-peace-by-margaret-macmillan/2013/11/27/40707a1a-279a-11e3-ad0d-b7c8d2a594b9_story.html

            The review seems to place the importance of WWI a lot above what most Americans think.

          • Ray in VT

            I have not. Thank you, Don. I think that World War One is less “sexy” as a war, with its years of trench warfare and such, as well as the fact that we were involved for a relatively short period of time. The historians whom I know certainly argue that World War One has far greater repercussions than did World War Two in many ways.

          • Don_B1

            That is the experience of most Americans; I know my high school American History ended before 1900, so what I know is from reading on my own since then.

            But this year the flood of books, many more than I can possibly find time to read, may do something to correct that.

          • Ray in VT

            I wish that I had the time to read half of the books that I would like to.

    • HonestDebate1

      Do you consider Hillary the most qualified? If so, why?

      • Shag_Wevera

        No, not at all.

  • 12Gary2

    another clinton, another bush. No dynasty here in the usa. with over 300 million people living in the usa is this the best we can do? why do we keep electing the same old same old and expect different results.

    I will vote for Bernie Sanders.

    • Shag_Wevera

      Love Bernie.

      • Bluejay2fly

        Me too.

      • Human2013

        He is the most passionate, authentic Senator we have.

    • Bluejay2fly

      Were you around to see what scumbags have been running lately? Nobody intelligent or sane wants to be a corporate shill.

    • Ray in VT

      I like Bernie a lot. My high school Current Events teacher worked on his 1980 mayoral campaign, and he came to speak to my class in high school. That having been said, he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell. He could get Vermont’s 3 Electoral votes, but I think that that is the ceiling.

      • Don_B1

        He actually might do better than that (Massachusetts? – so-so), but that won’t occur because it is unlikely that he could get through the primaries (as a Democrat) and running as an Independent he would only be another Ralph Nader and I think he is too smart to play into Tea/Republican hands that way.

        • Ray in VT

          I think that he has said that he doesn’t want to run and get someone like Ted Cruz elected.

    • stephenreal

      are you incredibly simple? or are you on something?

    • TFRX

      Which Bush is getting the “Inevitability” treatment currently, Jeb or Prescott?

      • Ray in VT

        How about Jenna or Barbara Pierce?

        • Don_B1

          At least one of them is a talk-show host, I believe.

    • SteveTheTeacher

      Love to see Bernie Sanders as President.

      The 1% would then be justified in their claims of the President of being a socialist.

      It would be great to get libertarians to think about what would really provide for greater civil liberties – the prospect of society in which people could focus on pursuing their academic/career goals without having to worry about securing their basic human needs or a society in which the successful few are rewarding exceptionally while there is no limit to how far down the rest, through lack of skills, effort, or good fortune, may fall.

    • skelly74

      No more Bush…no more Clintons…actually, no more politicians. Lets put someone in the White House with some grit and balls….well, someone other than Hilary. Too bad George Carlin wasn’t still around…

    • myblusky

      Love Bernie!

      Unfortunately humans are notorious for going with the devil they know which is why we have the same people cycling through the system. It’s an unfortunate side of human nature. If you can figure out how to remedy that then we might elect some new people.

      • Don_B1

        The state of the country has to get considerably worse, and then the public tends to pick a new face, but usually one offering a simple solution to the problem which is always wrong, while eschewing an “unknown” who actually knows enough to help the country in what would have to be a long transformation to what works.

  • HonestDebate1

    Her tenure as Secretary of State was a disaster. She rose to prominence on Bill’s coattails by being a doormat. She is a horrible role model for women. She is an unqualified disgrace. Why is she even being considered?

    • Ray in VT

      Because she’s still better than what the GOP has to offer.

      • HonestDebate1

        Lame.

        • Ray in VT

          Yes. Your screed was.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Hey HD, saw this last week and thought of you.

      “Why Liberals Attempt to Silence Honest Debate”

      http://thefederalist.com/2014/03/19/why-liberals-attempt-to-silence-honest-debate/#disqus_thread

      • HonestDebate1

        That’s spot on, thanks.

      • Don_B1

        Your link shows a cleverly written but totally dishonest polemic which turns truth on its head.

        The radical right, well populated with billionaire willing to spend million$ to spread lies across this country and continue the perceived rightward movement of the population’s political center.

        But consider how that “center” is misperceived:

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/03/06/why-most-conservatives-are-secretly-liberals/

        Of course that does not apply to you and [Dis]HonestDebate1, who are committed to your ideology no matter what damage it does to others.

        On the suppression of honest discourse on all the issues, it is the conservatives who are spending massive amounts of money to occupy the limited public broadcast media (many middle- and most lower-income individuals do not have access to the Internet for sufficient time to contribute to the discussion of the issues, and not even to learn about those issues beyond the headlines, the source of what many call “the low-information voter) over those who represent the other side of the issue.

        What Liberals are trying to do is to get the full discussion of the issue out to the populace, not the over-represented radical right’s views only.

        Just think about John Wooden’s maxim: “It’s what you learn after you know it all that counts.”

        The radical right has decided that they already know it all with the statement of their ideology and any new data from the real world that is in conflict with it just cannot be correct. So it is the radical right that is trying to suppress liberal ideas with totally dishonest debate.

        Just reading your linked article shows the strawman setups, cherry-picked statements, and distorted twisted interpretations of actual events when they are not making up ridiculous false events.

  • stephenreal

    Sec. Hillary Clinton is advised by many people to wait till the last possible moment to launch her campaign. I think that is total malarkey. These are rhetorical wars. Her opposition has been shelling her camp for months now with rhetorical artillery. She ain’t stupid. She knows what this all about.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    2016? Really? With everything else going on.

    What difference, at this point, does it make?

    • stephenreal

      come on brother. let’s take the ramparts together!

    • Bluejay2fly

      Tom’s gotta eat.

  • stephenreal

    Senator Ted Cruz, Senator Paul and good friends have been shelling Camp Clinton for months now. They know she has the power and they want to brush that back. It’s good strategum but like Senator Paul tries to do at times is to take the political center which Senator Cruz has yet to understand and really internalize.

  • stephenreal

    Looks like the Republican Party is going to take the Senate…again. Where is Senator Byrd when you really need him?

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Where was Senator Byrd when Harry Reid happened? That is the question?

      • stephenreal

        It appears my dear friend Senator Harry Reid is going to give up the gavel to my other good friend Senator Mitch McConnell.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Perhaps? But Byrd would have never let Reid destroy the institutional integrity of the Senate.

          • stephenreal

            I love Senator Byrd.
            When he stood alone in the US Senate demanding a debate over the Iraq war.
            I knew he was my man.
            And that cat was a hillbilly! no doubt about it.
            Not exactly my thing at all.

          • Bluejay2fly

            He steered BILLIONS of national highway money to his state of West Virginia. They used to call him the King of Pork. Why should 49 other states pay for his highway system? My state roads are bad and I know the roads in Ray’s Vermont Suck!

          • stephenreal

            because they are poor.

          • Bluejay2fly

            Politics. He was chairman of that committee. Also, there are plenty of other poor states as well who needed that money. Congress is a cut throat game and the only justice is to do right by your state no matter how much damage you do to others.

          • stephenreal

            forgiveness is the glory Christianity
            and our sacred obligations is to help the poor.
            by any means necessary.

          • Bluejay2fly

            The Romans had money and Jesus did not say “steal from them”. I also doubt West Virginia’s poor were the most needy when it comes to roads. He was simply consolidating power ,but I never studied the situation so I really do not know. But my spidey sense detects something amiss.

          • stephenreal

            But Jesus knew their evil motives. “You hypocrites!” he said. “Why are you trying to trap me? Here, show me the coin used for the tax.” When they handed him a Roman coin, he asked, “Whose picture and title are stamped on it?”

            “Caesar’s,” they replied.

            “Well, then,” he said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”

            Mathew 22:18

          • Bluejay2fly

            Well Done.

          • John Cedar

            Vermont has crap roads on purpose,
            only they prefer to call them “quaint”.

          • Ray in VT

            Yeah, they keep flatlanders out.

          • Don_B1

            Actually, growing up in Western Massachusetts, when we drove up to Mount Snow to ski, we knew when we crossed into Vermont by the improvement in the quality of the roads. These were secondary roads in both states.

            Driving between VT (Burlington) and NY on routes 7, 22A to NY RT22, the Vermont roads are much better.

          • Don_B1

            One of the things that doing that did, particularly moving many of the offices of the federal government’s bureaucracies to WV gave alternate employment over the coal mining sector and economic growth without the non-growth of the coal industry.

            Climate change will require the ending of burning fossil fuels for energy and that will require alternative employment for WV’s citizens.

            I may not like the way it was done, but it was in the interest of all Americans as it will be to the benefit of all of us.

    • TFRX

      According to our media elites, it always looks like the GOP is going to take everything.

      I’m surprised we don’t have a Politico scribe to tell us what Republicans think what the conventional wisdom is.

      • stephenreal

        I like Politico.

        • TFRX

          I’ve searched for the perfect phrase to describe Politico.

          I can only steal from Charlie Pierce, who calls it “Tiger Beat on the Potomac”.

        • Don_B1

          Politico does present the “Washington View” and can be useful in that way, but while some articles do represent what is really true in the world, most reflect the misunderstandings of the “Washington Elite.”

      • Ray in VT

        I think that Nate Silver projected that the GOP will take the Senate. The man has a good track record.

        • TFRX

          I’m not talking about Nate Silver. He will change his findings when the data he runs changes.

          It is only March. Politico, buttsniffing any little fart that Matt Drudge makes, taking some GOP talking points and making it “conventional wisdom” before Nate Silver has said word one doesn’t make Politico correct, simply (like the broken clock) right, twice a day.

          Specifically, from our chattering classes, everything is GoodNewsForRepublicans. The people who, for example, when Scott Brown
          cleared his throat and said “I’m moving to New Hampshire” all agreed with each other that he’s going to win.

          These people who all agree with each other all say everything is good news for Republicans. They’ve basically made it their living to say that because nobody
          is kicked off the pundit gravy train for betting too long on the GOP. Before there is data. Or when the data shows otherwise. And especially right up through Halloween before
          any Democratic advances or holds are made at the ballot box, the message our savvy, knowledgable insiders tell us is “the GOP is going to win”. And when
          they lose, the narrative lingers in the air like the stench of an overflowing septic tank.

          Get some fresh blood instead of the Bushes and Clintons? Next to those clans, our Beltway experts (of which Nate Silver is not one) are as inbred as the Hapsburgs.

        • HonestDebate1

          He missed 2010 by a mile, so who knows?

          • Ray in VT

            Yes, he was off by a total of 8 in the House and 2 in the Senate when results were compared to election eve. What a shyster.

          • HonestDebate1

            I wouldn’t say that but you are entitled to your opinion.

          • Ray in VT

            So, does that number qualify as being “off by a mile”, even when it was within his confidence interval. I mean it not like he was living in denial on election night like Karl or Mitt.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    It’ll be fun to see her answer questions about her husband’s recent past activities. Schlepping for money from central Asian tyrants and hanging with the dude with the lawsuit hanging over his head. Who knows where that tawdry trail will lead.

    President Hillary and Mr. Horndog Clinton. We all really want to see them back in the White House. Or do we?

  • SteveTheTeacher

    A women President would be a step forward in the United States. But I would advocate for a third party alternative.

    Unfortunately, in addition to the racism that has hemmed in President Obama and the sexism that would be brought to bare against Hillary Clinton, the Democrat/Republican party process in the US is overwhelmed by the influence of a wealthy few and the military.

    Hillary Clinton is much more to the right and much more of a Hawk than President Obama and look what has transpired under him. Despite any good hearted intentions he may have had, he abandoned national / single payer health care in favor of a pro-insurance company model, and he enabled a bailout of big business rather than support for underwater homeowners. In the terror war, President Obama has maintained, and increased, the practice of drone killing, he has maintained the practice of universal surveillance, and he has targeted dissenters – whistle blowers, activists like Julian Assange, and journalists like Glen Greenwald.

    • Don_B1

      I agree with your assessment of Ms. Clinton’s hawkishness. Another thing you might add to your list is Ms. Clinton’s vote in 2001 (and later also) on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy, effectively denying many poor from bankruptcy relief even when it was the lender who deceived/misled the borrower.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    If we must discuss Hillary Clinton (D, Goldman Sachs) — ‘Hero of Tuzla’, Mrs. Russian Reset, Benghazi bumbler, 2am call no-show, supreme cattle future trader, political dynasty diva and on and on.

    Still a yawn just like the Chris Christie nonsense was a yawn.

    • stephenreal

      throw in a Ford F-150 front end, a condom monkey and Gilligan’s Island. just saying

  • Emily311

    I would love to have a woman be president. However, Hillary Clinton was elected to the senate because of her husband. While she is an accomplished woman, she would not have gotten this far without her last name. Also, political dynasties should not be in the White House, period. In my whole life, there has only been one election that in no way involved a Bush or Clinton.

    • J__o__h__n

      I also don’t like political dynasties and have a mixed view of Hillary, but Hillary isn’t the worthless scion of George HW Bush, she was instrumental in her husband’s career.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    It’s only a distinction not a difference: which bathroom, Men or Women, a government official enters. The policies of a president on the world stage will not be sex driven. We should hope.

  • hellokitty0580

    On Point: I’m an avid fan of this show. I love it; I listen on a regular basis and really enjoy the discussion that takes place. However, I have to say that I am fairly disappointed with the first hour’s subject. I’d like to think most of On Point’s subject matter is above the mainstream media fray, but the discussion of whether Hilary will or won’t run doesn’t give weight to my previous assumption. If anything this adds to the American problem of Non-news News. There is no news until she actually announces she will run. Until then it’s all just speculation and frankly, a waste of time. There is real news going on out there in the world like the Ebola outbreak in West Africa or the impending services agreement between China and Taiwan. That’s news. Come On Point, you’re better than this.

    • Bluejay2fly

      You must not have been listening during the Syria days. PS Freakanomics is also a great show.

  • perihelion22

    I am a Democrat and a Liberal, but I DON’T want to vote for a Clinton (or a Bush, God knows!) again. It’s that political-family-thing you know. Let’s have some fresh brains.

    • stephenreal

      check out Senator Elizabeth Warren.

      • …..O

        Warren 2016

      • Human2013

        My favorite Native American Senator. Warren for 2016

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      Amen. Hoober Doober

    • skelly74

      Yes! Give us fresh brains! Are we Zombies now?

      • Ray in VT

        Do brains take away the pain?

        • skelly74

          Sure does…I’ll take fresh brains over the processed grained fed any day…as long as it’s chemical free, pasture raised and treated humanely. No politicians. Their a bit gamey..

          • Ray in VT

            Fresh is best I hear. I was hoping that you would say “what pain”, so that I could respond “the pain of being dead” – Return of the Living Dead, which is, I think, just a terrible movie.

          • skelly74

            Bad movie? Many teens, now in their 50′s probably lost their virginity after watching RTD, abiding in Schafer and barely distinguishable weeds, sharpening their persuasion skills by influencing young women that brains where actually good to eat…just not the brain between their shoulders…

          • Ray in VT

            I think that I saw it on Monster Vision back in college. Don’t get me wrong. I can appreciate a cheesy or goofy movie, but that one I just did not care for. Zombies creep me out, but the barrel black goo zombie didn’t do anything for me. The sequel was just a travesty. Again, that is just my take.

          • skelly74

            The Zombie genre is very popular evidenced by the plethora of Zombie films since Romero introduced it in the 60′s. Maybe you would like some of the current zombie films such as: “I am Legend”, “World War Z”, “The Presidential Debate”, “The State of the Union”, “C-SPAN”…to name a few.

          • Ray in VT

            Good one. I do like zombie stuff. My friends and a debated zombie apocalypse survival long before Max Brooks’ fine books. My boss tried to convince me to do a zombie run, and I told him that it is just a planned feed that the zombies, or their masters, have set up.

          • skelly74

            Watch out for those zombie runs…it is a clever SNAP program for the “unfortunate” among us.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Question for panel: President Obama has long lost the white male vote. Why would they show up to support her candidacy?
    Thanks much. HLB

    • JS

      And yet he won twice……

  • Kathy

    Please no. I don’t like dynasties and I believe we need to push this country to the left and she will move it to the right.

    • Bluejay2fly

      We have dynasties. The Congressional Industrial Military Complex, Wall Street, big oil, big banking, etc

  • jefe68

    The US has only one party, that’s the businesses party.
    It’s a plutocracy in my opinion. The GOP is in lockstep with wealthiest class and the corporate sector and the religious right. Which explains their draconian platform.

    Nixon could never be even nominated for a senate seat let alone run for president.

    The Democrats are centrist and are moving towards the right as well. They are also court the corporate sector and are pretty much ruled by that. Witness that lack of changes on the financial sector since the economic meltdown. They have more or less given up on the harder economic policies and proof of that is the Obama administrations record in this area.

  • BPol

    She’s far too business friendly for me, but I must say her time as Secretary of State greatly improved her reputation.

    I used to know card carrying Democrats that said they despised her and would never vote for her (one even saying they’d move to Australia if she ever became president), but I don’t hear that from those people anymore. Many of them actually respect her now.

    • StilllHere

      Why?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    HRH Hillary for president: a campaign on spec.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    RUN HRH RUN. And as Putin gobbles up more of Ukraine, your Russian RESET will suck all of the oxygen out of the debates.

    {her royal highness}

  • JS

    yes

  • Guest

    I apologize in advance for the crudity of this comment, but why is Alex’s nose so far up Hilary’s butt? I can’t support his analysis; it’s too biased.

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      It’s the Barbara Streisand effect. {gay males}

  • MrNutso

    Newt: Russian invasion of Georgia. Nuff said!

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Rootin’ for Putin. The more he takes, the more she has to explain.
    –The Republican Party of the USA

  • nj_v2

    The 2016 election? That’s so 2013. When can we expect a show on 2020?

    • Ray in VT

      Mid to late 2016 I think.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Ronald Reagan. His last term running mostly on dementia.

    • Bluejay2fly

      Shows you how important that office really is.

  • StilllHere

    She appeals to “the world is overpopulated” crowd.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Question for panel: Will Clinton run on Obama’s record or will she disavow it? You don’t see her running around the country talking up ACA.
    Thanks much. HLB

  • TFRX

    I’m wondering how much our press corps would say “deliver us from family dynasties” if there were no Hillary, and only a Bush scion were running.

    Because in 2008 I remember much the same, and there was hardly a Bush in sight in the primaries.

  • MrNutso

    He’s leaving out the other side of the equation, who the Republican front runner is and what his policy’s will be.

    • Ray in VT

      I’m sure that we’ll get plenty of that as well in the coming months.

  • MrNutso

    Mitt, how’s the Presidency working out for you?

    • stephenreal

      He called that Russian fiasco spot on. who would have thunk it MrNutso?

      • jefe68

        And guess what, he would have done exactly what Obama is doing.

        • hennorama

          jefe68 — your comment assumes that Mr. Romney would have been reelected after his first fictitious term.

          Kind of a stretch, no?

          But your essential point is correct, that if Pres. Bush II, noted user of US military power worldwide, could not prevent a similar circumstance in Georgia, Putin would not be deterred by any US President’s stance with respect to Crimea.

          • jefe68

            I was pointing out the geopolitics is a great leveler. For some reason all the right wingers posting here are suffering from some kind mass delusional idea that Romney would have been able to deal with Putin if he was president.

          • hennorama

            jefe68 — TYFYR.

            The delusion you describe is absolutely amazing, as is the fawning over a dictatorial tyrant such as Putin being described as some sort of ideal “leader.”

        • HonestDebate1

          Bush had a policy in place for a direct path to NATO for Ukraine and Georgia because of their vulnerability to precisely this, Obama promptly undid it and this is the result. I doubt Romney would have made such a boneheaded move.

          • jefe68

            What do you think NATO could do?
            Put troops on the ground in the Ukraine?
            That would idiotic.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    More beltway mythology. Hillary’s tenure as SS was a success? Other than frequent flier miles what exactly were her accomplishments?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Benghazi Betty. That’ll be fun at the debates.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Candy, could you throw me a lifeline?

      • Ray in VT

        Nothing like some real time fact checking.

        • HonestDebate1

          And a belated (after the election) apology for getting it wrong.

          • Ray in VT

            Romney during the debate: “I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of
            terror.”

            Crowley during the debate: “He — he did call it an act of terror.”

            Obama in the Rose Garden on September 12th: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.”

            Facts show you to be wrong, but I do not expect that to stop you from advancing whatever falsehood you are attempting to seize upon today. I hear that Romney didn’t even say that Chrysler was “thinking of moving all Jeep production to China”.

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t suffer fools.

            Did I just call you a fool?

          • Ray in VT

            Maybe. I would say that you implied that I am. An inability to recognize facts or accept facts, as well as an inability to recognize or accept definitions from the dictionary would, I think, certainly qualify one for fool status. Did I just call you a fool?

          • HonestDebate1

            You decidedly did not call me a fool. I didn’t call you one either. Obama did NOT say Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Read the quote you cited. It’s not there.

            Leaders don’t imply through innuendo.

    • stephenreal

      foreign policy really? marginal compared to jobs and the economy

    • TFRX

      I’m a bit confused.

      If you’re talking about our feckless mainstream press who’re still suckered into thinking Benghazi is a conjuring word with magical political powers, like “Beetlejuice”, that’s one thing.

      But I’m not sure that’s what you mean.

      • Bluejay2fly

        Most tea baggers who use Bengazi hate all muslims. Ironic because Christopher Stevens dedicated his life to trying to help the same people they disdain and regard as terrorist scum. Great way to honor his legacy!

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Four Dead in Benghazi.
    {4 dead in O-Hi-O}

    It was her 3 a.m. call. Hit the snooze button, Bill. I’ll call them back.

    • Bluejay2fly

      Over 200 in Beirut

      • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

        Over 3,000 on September 11.

        • stephenreal

          lions, tigers and bears oh my!

        • Bluejay2fly

          The WTC was not a military barracks in a very active war zone.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            So, how does that make the President or the Secretary of State responsible?

          • Bluejay2fly

            No more than the false equivalency of Bengazi. But Saint Reagan was absolved from that controversy.

          • Ray in VT

            If Reagan had been a Democrat someone from the GOP would try to tie him to it (Benghazi that is).

        • HonestDebate1

          We no longer need to worry about such things. Word has it Bin Laden is dead and Al Qaeda is decimated.

          • Ray in VT

            Plus we really took it to Iraq, which was providing weapons training and such to Al Qaeda, or at least so we were told for months after the CIA said that that was not their conclusion.

          • HonestDebate1

            Obama gave Fallujah back to Al Qaeda.

          • Ray in VT

            Oh, was that through one of his oodles of Executive Orders? I must have missed that one.

    • hennorama

      HLB — don’t forget the 3 Americans on Flight MH370. Sec. Clinton was in the US Senate when the airplane was delivered to Malaysia, so the disappearance of that flight is obviously her fault.

      • HonestDebate1

        How so? There seems to be a consensus among liberals like yourself that we assign undue blame. We don’t. There is a direct line of logic in blaming Hillary for denied security or that Stevens was even there at all.

        All I can figure is it’s further proof of liberals projecting their own thought process on Conservatives. No one dislikes HC or Obama
        just because. That makes no sense unless it is already your own MO.

  • jefe68

    Mitt Romney is so full of it. Seeing into the future?
    There is no way to know what will happen in geopolitics 100 percent.
    Name one president that has been abel to do anything to control the former Soviet Union or Russia.

    • HonestDebate1

      Reagan.

      • jefe68

        Who did nada when the Russian invaded Afghanistan. Oh wait, he armed the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Hope is your strategy when you ain’t got none.

  • stephenreal

    Se’ habla espaniol you redneck hillbillies?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    What if another Axelrod creation, like Deval Patrick, decides to run?

  • Joe

    I am a life-long liberal who does not understand the widespread support of Hillary Clinton and the love affair the Democrats have with the Clintons. To me, the Clintons are the real-life versions of Frank & Clair Underwood from “House of Cards” – unprincipled, amoral ambition defined.

    • jefe68

      “…unprincipled, amoral ambition defined.”
      That’s a good description of about 98.5% of politicians.

      • Bluejay2fly

        That sounds like their qualified to lead this nation, to me.

  • Ray in VT

    Would I run if I were her? I guess that that would depend upon how much I wanted it and how good I thought that my odds were.

    • hellokitty0580

      Sounds like she’ll run, unfortunately.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    It’ll be our country’s second coronation after that of General George Washington. Then again, he couldn’t tell a lie.

  • sarahrm

    Bush or Clinton? A terrible choice. I could not vote for either of them.
    Hillary Clinton, like her mentor Madeleine A., was a warmongering, abrasive, and incompetent Secretary of State. She is completely in the pocket of AIPAC & Co and corporations in general (not that she’s alone in that.) I see in her a betrayal of the feminist movement of the 1960s and’70s –sheer lust for power her only motive.
    As for any Bush or any other Republican–even worse. Or would a Republican victory finally rouse the people of the US to resist the squandering of their tax dollars on endless war?

    • SteveTheTeacher

      Given the present dynamics in our “two party” system, I don’t think I could vote for any Democrat/Republican that got their party nomination. Ralph Nader had it right when he said:

      “The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations know at the door.”

      I’d like a strong third/progressive party alternative (Any interest?). Even if such a candidate had no chance of winning, the potential to “spoil” a democrat victor might be enough to win some progressive concessions.

      The
      only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the
      velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock
      on their door
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ralphnader160181.html#j1RioKbh6OLZUe5v.99
      The
      only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the
      velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock
      on their door.
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ralphnader160181.html#j1RioKbh6OLZUe5v.99
      The
      only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the
      velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock
      on their door.
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ralphnader160181.html#j1RioKbh6OLZUe5v.99

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Bush or Clinton. Imagine walking into a restaurant and being offered only beef or pork. At every restaurant..

  • hellokitty0580

    OOh, Hilary has a vagina! Big whoop. I’m a woman. That’s not synonymous with idiot.

    • StilllHere

      Pre- or post-op?

      • hellokitty0580

        That is rude and disrespectful and so backward. Hilary is certainly a woman and she’s risen. So that means clearly she’s a ball-busting, he-man bitch?

        • StilllHere

          Kind of bossy.

        • Ray in VT

          Some may just fear that she has a bigger set than they do.

          • Bluejay2fly

            There was once an Olympic female track star back in the 30/40′s who was shot dead years later. During the autopsy it was discover she was a man.

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t know about that one. There was a recent case of a female athlete that had her gender questioned:

            http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1918668,00.html

            Competing nude would solve a few of those cases.

          • Bluejay2fly

            I am not a sports person but that actually happened. There was major controversy when she competed. She was killed in the late 70′s early 80′s as a bystander to a bank robbery. So could Hillary be a man? That would explain a lot. Also competing nude was done in ancient Greece. It would ruin many people’s desire to wrestle or snow board.

          • Ray in VT

            Only if Chelsea came from somewhere else than is claimed. Do I smell a new form of birtherism?

          • TFRX

            I thought the ancient Greeks competed nude at the behest of their olive-oil sponsors.

          • Ray in VT

            The producers were just greasing the wheels of sport.

          • TFRX

            But in those pre-DNA days of medicine, did they test for “extra virginity”?

            (/rimshot)

          • Ray in VT

            Hmmmm, they must have just used a visual examination and/or tossed some oracle bones.

          • TFRX

            PBS (of course) had this harrowing program about former East German elite female athletes from the 60s-80s and what was done to them in the name of winning. Gruesome stuff.

          • Ray in VT

            I imagine. There were plenty of jokes about the female athletes from the communist countries when I was a kid.

          • Bluejay2fly

            Stalin and Hitler must have killed off a lot of good looking women during their time.

          • Ray in VT

            Odds are that they did, although one of the guys who lived on my floor in college insisted that all German girls were ugly. We also had one very fine looking girl from Russia on the floor above me.

        • SteveTheTeacher

          Hillary Clinton “should” be evaluated based on her policy positions – which I find too plutocratic and militaristic.

          The unfortunate reality is that, despite the US government critique of foreign societies for their shortcomings with respect to human rights, racism and sexism are still pervasive in the US.

          I think this country would take one more step forward by electing a women President, particularly a more progressive candidate. Any interest in politics Hellokitty?

        • jefe68

          You’re dealing with a little troll. One who comes on this forum just to post BS.

        • StilllHere

          I was asking about you, not her.

          • hellokitty0580

            How does that make it any better? Regardless of Hilary or myself you’re still a rude piece of you know what.

    • twenty_niner

      “I’m a woman. That’s not synonymous with idiot.”

      Good bumper-sticker idea.
      And Hillary campaign slogan.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Imagine what HRH Hillary will do to the Palestinians. She’ll roll over them with bulldozers.

  • ian berry

    She is too hawkish. Anyone that voted for Iraq should not be President. Ruined a generation here in the states and many generations in the middle east. Unforgivable.

    • Bluejay2fly

      But they made a few people in America filthy rich so Mission Accomplished.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Isn’t it time we had a native American president? Or a gay person? A dwarf? Someone missing limbs? Scientist? Albino?
    Yes, they’re just distinctions. Not differences.

    • StilllHere

      Could we get all those in one? The perfect candidate.

  • Jim

    The one thing she can pull ahead is to address income stagnation and inequality. I am really taking the lesser of evils.. she is a good political tacitian and i rather have her than an extremist. but yes, she is cold. I can never forget her vote to invade iraq.

  • MrNutso

    Tom, It’s congressional Republicans sitting a bunker holding hostages. This will not change for any Democrat in the White House.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    If you think Obama didn’t do anything for black Americans, wait till the Clinton Rolodex gets all the focus in Washington. All of America save New York and California will be flyover states to her.

    • Bluejay2fly

      After all the Bush years and TEXAS getting money that would be a break.

  • jasontn

    If we are being asked to support Hilary because we are rushing to tick off another “1st in office” then I want no part of it. Even though I believe our country and the world would benefit by having a maternal influence in power, I fail to see the credits, as in many of our prior leaders, what is our litmus test for a great leader? Being a minority? Being famous? Show us the leadership ability!

    • twenty_niner

      “benefit by having a maternal influence in power”

      Agreed. I’d take another Thatcher right now.

      • Expanded_Consciousness

        What exactly is maternal about Hilary Clinton or Margret Thatcher? Is Hilary going to talk about love more than a male leader? Is she going to love others unconditionally? Is she going to sacrifice herself? Be guided by emotions over reason? Trust her inner feelings? Cook some meals? Write some poetry? So we forever think about genitals and pigeonhole all humanity into two simplistic, deterministic categories: women and men? Beauty and the Beast?

        • twenty_niner

          Come on. We’ve had enough male chest thumping. It’s time for something more tender and nurturing:

  • Expanded_Consciousness

    Ha! Caller says men are Alpha and women are nurturing. Hillary is more Alpha than any dude you know.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    GWH Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, Obama, HRH H Clinton, Bush, Obama, Bush, Clinton, ad nauseam. Is that democracy?

    • Expanded_Consciousness

      It is a monarchy. We have royal families and yet view ourselves superior to the British.

      • Bluejay2fly

        Ours are just as dumb and inbred.

    • TFRX

      Get our pundits to obsess over this dynasty problem when there’s a Bush running, and no Clinton. Then I’ll be as concerned as you are.

  • Peter Duveen

    From the looks of things over the last 22 or so years, the two term presidency, with alternate parties in power, has been institutionalized. If true, we will have a Republican president and the democratic candidate is chosen either as an innocuous showpiece or to actually throw the election to the other side. Not sure if Hillary would want to take on Romney’s role in an election.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    HORNDOG! HORNDOG! HORNDOG! HORNDOG! HORNDOG!
    Bill can drag out his bimbo Rolodex to help her out.

    Hooter Girls for Hillary.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    A US president and former state attorney general lied to a federal judge and grand jury. Where’s the misunderstanding?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    HORNDOG is on TV. Hit the MUTE button. Just imagine: 8 more years of that national humiliation.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Madame President and Horndog invite you to the White House. Bring your own sheets. Please.

    • Human2013

      Most men are “Horndogs”. And the few the aren’t, suffer ED — :-(

  • James

    I don’t think they are going to get a lot of millage out of the Lewinsky scandal, she would be very formidable if she ran.
    But only IF she runs against the economy of the last 8 years and on the promise of the Clinton economy.

    • JS

      So, she should run against a doubling of the stock market? the lowering of the unemployment rate?

  • Bluejay2fly

    Bill as First Man.

    • JS

      Hopefully if she is elected it will serve to do away with the archaic “First LAdy/First Man” nonsense.

      • Ray in VT

        If we could get a polyandrous President then we could go with First Person Plural.

  • Oh bummer

    You’ve got to love the way Hillary refuses to give definitive answers concerning the death of the American Ambassador in Benghazi. I’m fully confident that Hillary would be a lousy President, but she’s already a great Stone-Waller in Chief.

  • Oh bummer

    Perhaps President Obama could help Hillary campaign for President in the ’57 states’ he claimed to have visited.

    • hennorama

      Oh, dumber: what a nonsensical non sequitur.

    • Ray in VT

      Oh man, not this b.s. again.

      • jefe68

        Ignore the troll, or should I say trolls.

    • nj_v2

      Another one crawls out of the woodwork.

    • StilllHere

      You’re going to upset those who have issues with facts and holding the guy accountable for what he says, you know, the Obamapologists.

  • Oh bummer

    I wonder if Hillary still allows Bill to smoke those ‘hand-dipped’ cigars?

  • hennorama

    dfg — the last 5 years, anyway.

    But you see, the opponents of the administration will argue all sorts of nonsense, such as “it should have been a blip,” “Obama’s stimulus didn’t work,” etc.

    One thing that’s never argued, though:

    ‘John “the fundamentals of the economy are strong” McCain would have done better.’

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Actually the recession ended in June 2009 before the stimulus had time to kick in. And we’ve now experienced the weakest recovery since the great depression.

    The economy is …. “too good to be true”.

    Wow. You’ve manage to out-Zandi Mark Zandi. The regime thanks you for your zealous support.

    Now back to the real world….

  • twenty_niner
  • pm05

    Monica and the “humiliation” ! Get over it! It was the MEDIA and the Republications – who always flog everything to a pulp! Hillary can handle the crap about that time. Can the media “grow up”? Of course NOT. And, the Republicans…. they are just too mean spirited and nasty to even bother with. Rand Paul should really shut up!

    • HonestDebate1

      Wouldn’t it have been refreshing for an abused wife like herself to have ditched the sexual predator and stood on her own? What are young women to glean from her example?

      • jefe68

        Wow, you are real piece of work.

        • HonestDebate1

          Thank you.

          Hillary hitched her wagon to Bill and endured tremendous humiliation to get to where she is.

          Condi Rice never married and rose to prominence on her own. She surmounted racism and sexism.

          Which model do you think deserves more respect?

  • Floyd Blandston

    She’s not running. This is just a DNC stall to keep the focus on the mid-terms and prevent the RNC from campaigning against a theoretical Democrat executive in ‘local’ races. Besides; the fix is in- it’s Cuomo.

    • artymowski

      This is the DNC and Tom Ashbrook in a form of mental masturbation.

      • StilllHere

        Great, now I’ve got a picture of that in my head.

  • Oh bummer

    Just give Hillary some time, I’m sure that she’ll be just as adept at destroying the middle class as her hubby Bubba was when he signed NAFTA and sent millions of American manufacturing jobs to Mexico.

  • Blue_To_Shoe

    Our mainstream (Conservative) media is still in ‘build up’ phase when it comes to covering both Clintons.

    If she does run – or even becomes President – the ‘Tom Cruise-ization’ of her and Bill will then begin!!
    Just like President Obama, ‘Tom Cruise-ization’ is basically what was done to Tom Cruise: someone that is built up – (can do no WRONG) – until a specific ‘incident’ that triggers the exact opposite sentiment; and that same person (can do no RIGHT)!

    Couch jumping literally for Cruise.
    Couch jumping metaphorically for Obama and the Clintons.

  • Oh bummer

    Hillary for President? How ironic, a woman would start WW3.

  • Oh bummer

    Obama has added over $7 trillion dollars to the national debt in only five years! Hillary is going to have a tough time matching that number.

    • hennorama

      Oh, dumber — you can change your moniker from your previous one, the hilarious and now-disappeared misnomer “Informed American,” but you’re still spewing the same ol’ same ol’.

  • marygrav

    RUN HILLARY, RUN! Hillary will win in 2016 because it is written in the Saterial History of the United States. If the patterns of history were studied the the inception of the United States as a nation state on how freedom is obtained. It begins with the fact that all Civil Rights rested in the hands of White men of property, women and blacks has about the same civil rights as property, i.e. none.

    The century always begins politically conservative; moves on toward center and civil discontents begin; then by mid-century , we are at war with ourselves: i.e. Taxation without Representation led to Revolution, then the birth of Liberalism came into being through the Constitution. The early-century 19th century Dred Scot Decisions led to the Civil War in mid-century. The 20th century events of the mid 1960s almost toppled the US government and Liberalism came into full bloom. Now we stand at the top of the 21st century and Conservatism now has the country in its grip.

    This is just a thumb nail of extraneous historical events. What I am aiming at is the social history that happened within the political history. The first Americans to be liberated were White men; followed by Black men (after the Civil War); then White women in the 20th century after WWI. This set the pattern for power. And Barack Obama has set the liberation patterning in motion.

    As a Black male he received political power ahead of white female, Hillary Clinton, thus keeping within the historical paradigm. Next will come Hillary Clinton, as the first female president. Her administration will then be followed by the first Jewish president of the United States.

    This may seem far fetched, but get out an American history book; an old one if possible, and read the common history of the United States. This pattern of Civil Rights has never been broken.

    Don’t be misled. As one of callers stated, “The Republicans do everything to shoot themselves in the foot socially and morally, and seem to hate any Republican woman that comes into political power within the GOP, and will destroy her. The Democrats, on the other hand, understand that women can rule and don’t allow religious fundamentalist to make civil law.

    Hillary will run and win. Bill has to pay for his own sins.

    • twenty_niner

      Yes, at least she wouldn’t be carpet bagging this time.

  • Sandstone3

    Why in Christ’s name are we always talking about Hillary running for president in TWO-THOUSAND-AND-SIXTEEN????? Over two years away. She herself may be laying low but no one speaking on her behalf is. It nauseates me hearing about her so much (not necessarily on this program or with NPR – this is a general comment)

    That was a rhetorical question should anyone feel the need to respond. I ‘get’ the (stupid) political cycle.

    The more I hear about Hillary, the more turned off I am. Further, when I hear ‘HRC’ I think Human Rights Campaign. It took me while what ELSE the initials mean :(

    I really am a political junkie but the topic of politicians, especially running for office, is killing me. Especially when the flipping election is so far off (relatively speaking, not politically).

    I am most certainly NOT a Republican. People would claim I lean left but I’d like to think I’m somewhere in the middle (even with some Libertarian beliefs too).

  • HonestDebate1

    I am still not seeing anyone (maybe I missed it) who is touting Hillary’s accomplishments. Earlier I asked why she is being considered and the only answer I got was a tacit admission from Ray in VT that as awful as she is the GOP is worse. In fairness to Ray, I don’t think he realized what he was implying. The smart ass desire runs deep and clouds thinking. Likewise the endorsement via likes by 2 guest, TFRX and Hennorama was probably just hate driven as well. But I’ll take it, she is awful.

    I don’t poo poo the notion. I think it’s fair to say she is more qualified than Obama who is perhaps the least qualified President in history. At least she told us the truth about the mandate. Obama excoriated the mandate but he was not concerned with telling the truth, he was concerned with defeating Hillary. McCain while certainly qualified was a horrible candidate and we ended up with Obama because of it.

    However I disagree strongly with the conclusion.The GOP has several potential candidates with solid records of accomplishments. Hillary has nothing.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      No accomplishments? Well, she successfully led the ‘Bimbo Eruption Squad’ defending against the numerous accusers of BIll’s sexual predation and the vast ‘right wing conspiracy’. Of course, she is also the most successful novice cattle future trader in history.

      • HonestDebate1

        I stand corrected although I think it was Betty Currie who led the squad. But I’m sure it was under Hillary’s direction. Hillary also skated on the Rose Law firm billing records, the Billy Dale persecution, Madison (the McDougals were very loyal) and the Whitewater scam. She was lucky that poor Vince, who knew everything, couldn’t stand the pressure. I do think she is highly qualified to skirt the law. Point taken.

    • Ray in VT

      Pretending that you have not seen people address the issue of Hilary’s accomplishments does not mean that people have not.

      • HonestDebate1

        I saw one article from a leftist sycophant that said she advocated for something … or something. Big deal.

        • artymowski

          Well if Obummer was a community organiser as preparation for President: Then Hillary is well qualified in comparison

  • HonestDebate1

    It could have been a blip.

    • Ray in VT

      Thanks for your expert opinion.

      • HonestDebate1

        It’s not rocket science.

  • Steve__T

    More to do about nothing. How about something substantial about TODAY.
    Like NSA, FBI, DIA Sued over Refusal to Disclose U.S. Role in Imprisonment of Nelson Mandela? Or The Congress not passing extended Unemployment Benefits or Why Did the FBI Monitor Occupy Houston, and Then Hide Sniper Plot Against Protest Leaders or the Judge’s decision in the on going case? The vote for a bill backing a billion dollars to the Ukraine?

  • Karen

    Can we please stop using the term “woman” as an adjective? It’s as grammatically incorrect (and, as a woman, frankly demeaning, due to how caveman like it sounds) as using the word “man” as an adjective. You wouldn’t say “man presidential nominee” You’d say “male”. (Though you wouldn’t have to because it’s not out of the norm.) You wouldn’t say “Man Teacher” or “Man Nurse”. You’d say “Male teacher” or “male nurse”. We stopped using “lady” in this context because it was somewhat derogatory. Let’s usher “woman” as an adjective out the door as well. Hillary Clinton would be a Female presidential nominee.

    http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/woman-versus-female-0

    • artymowski

      Actually I wouldn’t say male teacher or Male nurse. How about using: teacher, nurse, Doctor, plumber, actor, electrician, masseuse, etc., etc., etc.

      • Karen

        agreed, but I think humanity is many many many years away from not caring that a person is filling a roll that their gender/race/sexual orientation doesn’t typically fill. i actually had to turn off this segment on Clinton because of how many times they were calling out her gender as something amazing (wow a female politician!) Would have been much more interesting if they explored WHY people care so much. What is it psychologically that gets us interested/offended/whathaveyou about people stepping outside of what’s expected of them. With Hillary, another run for president is totally not surprising. It’s expected from her. She’s had a lifetime leading up to it. So why do people still care that she’s a woman.

  • Oh bummer

    Hillary was all aboard for President Obama’s illegal drone attacks which have killed and maimed, many innocent people around the world. Clinton along with Obama must be held accountable for their actions in a court of law.

    • hennorama

      Oh, dumber — are you an expert in international law?

      • HonestDebate1

        What’s with the name calling? Is it just gratuitous nasty?

        • Oh bummer

          The Obama-trolls have to respond with insults because none of the propaganda they’re spewing out can stand up to reason. Just don’t feed the Obama-trolls, and like mangy, stray dogs, they’ll go away.

      • Bluejay2fly

        But if a Chinese drone killed an enemy of their state in Mexico or Brazil there would be an uproar. Imagine if other nations did what we do..

        • HonestDebate1

          What if it was in the name of world peace?

          Let’s say, just imagining, there were forces of evil in large numbers spiritually driven, deeply devoted and patiently persistent with fox like cunning motives?

          Is it possible to come together to decide when that is so?

        • hennorama

          Bluejay2fly — TY for your response.

          You have mistaken me for someone who has not “Imagine[d] if other nations did what we do..”

          U.S. military (and covert services) use of UAVs has a basis in international law. There’s a case to be made on both sides of the issue, especially as pertains to U.S. UAV use in several countries.

          But to make a blanket definitive statement that these uses are “illegal drone attacks” and that “[Secretary/Senator] Clinton along with [President] Obama must be held accountable for their actions in a court of law” demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge of the law. It also ignores US use of UAVs under other administrations and circumstances.

          That’s the basis of the rhetorical question in my post above.

          Thanks again for your response.

  • Ivan Gelfman

    I expect better than rehashed inside baseball from the usually insightful On Point. With lingering high unemployment, a growing national debt and destruction foreign adventurism, this program should have analyzed whether Hillary could mend these problems, which she did more to cause than rectify in the past.

    • artymowski

      Ashbrook is King of the rehash circuit. He’s as original as a used tissue!

  • HonestDebate1

    Well, Mr. Ashbrook tried but he could not get the guest to cite an accomplishment. The best they could do is cite her high favorable rating. I have no idea why people view her favorably. And evidently her biggest mistake was not touting the fact that she is a woman the way Obama emphasized his half blackness. It is absolutely sick to judge people by sex or the color of skin. Unfortunately that is a strategery that works very well on liberals.

    • jefe68

      You vying for the low life comment of the day award?
      You get my vote.

      • HonestDebate1

        Did you listen to the show? It was discussed.

        Do you have any idea what you just disagreed with in front of God and everybody?

        • jefe68

          I don’t think God cares. If he did, I don’t care as I don’t believe in him or it.

          What I’m disagreeing with is the way you project your inanity on to every subject.

          • HonestDebate1

            Alrighty then.

          • Oh bummer

            Ignore the paid Obama-trolls.
            Responding to them is about as productive as stepping in horse manure.

          • hennorama

            Oh, dumber and dumber yet:

            The irony of a “one-noter” directing such a comment to an equine excrement expert is almost too astounding for words.

          • jefe68

            Go away troll.

          • pete18

            Looks like a troll-off!

          • HonestDebate1

            They certainly are not interested in honest debate.

  • Oh bummer

    The Jarring Reasons People Don’t Want Hillary Clinton to Be President

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/the-jarring-reasons-people-dont-want-hillary-clinton-to-be-president/284574/

    You know Hillary has got problems when a pro-democrat outlet like The Atlantic publishes a piece like this.

    • hennorama

      Oh, dumber and dumber and dumber:

      Only someone who did not read the linked article, or someone with a total lack of basic reading comprehension ability, would interpret this article as a “problem” for Sec. Clinton.

      A pertinent excerpt:

      The No. 1 concern Americans have about an administration run by former First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is that she is not qualified. This despite the fact that her resume would make her easily the best-qualified Oval Office holder on paper since George H.W. Bush. And before Bush, it’s a long way back to anyone else on par: Nixon, perhaps? Eisenhower, though he had little domestic experience? FDR?
      Less surprising but more disheartening is that 4 percent of Americans are opposed on principle to the very idea of a female president, a dark corollary to the 18 percent who’d like to make history. It’s hard to interpret the additional one percent who say the country isn’t ready, whether they are or not. And who are the 1 percent who would disqualify a candidate simply because the media and her opponents would attack her harshly? (Well, besides Clinton’s friends, apparently.)

      Different moniker, same nonsensical posts.

      • HonestDebate1

        Are you serious? It is a problem they cannot cite any qualifications. Saying she is qualified doesn’t make it so. Being a woman is not a qualification, it’s irrelevant.

    • TFRX

      The Atlantic, Pro-Democrat?

      How’s life in your bubble?

  • StilllHere

    Will Sasha be old enough to be president?
    Michelle got plans?

  • Peter Duveen

    Well, what I’m saying, DFG, is that it is all smoke and mirrors, and it is up to one party to craft the flawed ticket, so the other party runs away with it. It’s all cosmetic, a play. That’s my working hypothesis. Things may trend left, hope springs eternal, not that conservative platforms don’t have some important issues in their favor. But like I said, that’s not the point. The point is to take decision-making out of the hands of the electorate, and that’s what, it appears to me, they have done.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Interesting. Except that Clinton/Rubin eliminated Glass Steagall and Clinton/Greenspan’s Fed leveraged the effects for Wall St pals to enjoy the fruits of a bubble that for the rest of us just blew up in our face.

    GW was just another compliant sit in.

  • artymowski

    Please keep that Idiot Carl from calling in again. What wrong with this program?

  • plebtocracy

    Just what the USA needs: another corporately entrenched, neoliberal shill who speaks cognitive dissonance to an otherwise sold and bought electorate. Yep… same as the old boss, same as it ever was.
    BTW: regarding the young woman at the University of Arizona (as memory serves) who clearly is trying to bye her way into the capitalist wheel at the expense of leaning how to think for herself: there are many women who are better suited to the position of US President, women who embody integrity, character-not selling out or copping to tri-angulation. Women such as Jill Stein, Elizabeth Warren, Cynthia McKinney, etc.

  • artymowski

    He is ON every week!!! He is repetitive, predictable and boring. Most call shows make it a point to let new callers in. On point lets in the dependable progressive callers in as many times as possible. A boring and droll pedagogue!

  • Regular_Listener

    A ha ha ha ha!! She is running. She was running from the moment Obama accepted the nomination in 2008. She pulled the same thing in New York State that she is doing now – she went on a “listening tour”, supposedly to really get to know her new state and to decide whether or not to run for senator. But her mind was made up long before she set out on that course.

    I actually liked her as a senator, but not as Secretary of State, where it appears Kerry is now doing a much better job. Clinton seemed to want to be Sec. of State not out of any great interest in foreign policy, but because it would bolster her resume for 2016. I suppose what bothers me about her is her boundless ambition. She has always wanted more power, as much as she could get. She put up with her husband’s philandering quite possibly for this reason. What does she really believe in and what does she really want to do, other than promote gay rights?

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Sep 1, 2014
This Friday, Aug. 22, 2014 photo shows a mural in in the Pullman neighborhood of Chicago dedicated to the history of the Pullman railcar company and the significance for its place in revolutionizing the railroad industry and its contributions to the African-American labor movement. (AP)

On Labor Day, we’ll check in on the American labor force, with labor activist Van Jones, and more.

Sep 1, 2014
Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker Jarvis Jones (95) recovers a fumble by Carolina Panthers quarterback Derek Anderson (3) in the second quarter of the NFL preseason football game on Thursday, Aug. 28, 2014 in Pittsburgh. (AP)

One outspoken fan’s reluctant manifesto against football, and the big push to reform the game.

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Aug 29, 2014
Beyoncé performs at the 2014 MTV Music Video Awards on Sunday, August 24, 2014 in Inglewood, California. (Getty)

Sex, power and Beyoncé’s feminism. The message to young women.

 
Aug 29, 2014
Ukrainian forces guard a checkpoint in the town of Mariupol, eastern Ukraine, Thursday, Aug. 28, 2014. Ukraine's president Petro Poroshenko called an emergency meeting of the nation's security council and canceled a foreign trip Thursday, declaring that "Russian forces have entered Ukraine," as concerns grew about the opening of a new front in the conflict.  (AP)

War moves over Syria, Ukraine. Burger King moves to Canada. Nine-year-olds and Uzis. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

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Our Week In The Web: August 29, 2014
Friday, Aug 29, 2014

On hypothetical questions, Beyoncé and the unending flow of social media.

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Drew Bledsoe Is Scoring Touchdowns (In The Vineyards)
Thursday, Aug 28, 2014

Football great — and vineyard owner — Drew Bledsoe talks wine, onions and the weird way they intersect sometimes in Walla Walla, Washington.

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Poutine Whoppers? Why Burger King Is Bailing Out For Canada
Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014

Why is Burger King buying a Canadian coffee and doughnut chain? (We’ll give you a hint: tax rates).

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