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Chris Christie’s Future With The GOP

The fate of Chris Christie in the shadow of “Bridgegate.” Top GOP strategists and political reporters join us.

Governor Chris Christie talks to a reporter following a visit to Fort Lee Borough Hall Thursday, Jan. 9, 2014, in Fort Lee, N.J. to apologize to Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich about the governor's staff allegedly closing lanes to the George Washington Bridge last September. (AP)

Governor Chris Christie talks to a reporter following a visit to Fort Lee Borough Hall Thursday, Jan. 9, 2014, in Fort Lee, N.J. to apologize to Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich about the governor’s staff allegedly closing lanes to the George Washington Bridge last September. (AP)

New Jersey’s big governor Chris Christie looked a little smaller at the podium yesterday, sounded a little chastened delivering his state of the state speech in the shadow of what we now know as “Bridgegate.”  The bold politician who many saw on a roll toward the Republican presidential nomination was a little back on his heels.  Will that last?  Is he done?  There’s a real split in the GOP over the Christie style – talk big but act bipartisan.  This hour On Point:  Bridgegate bully, or still the great mainstream hope for the GOP?  We’re looking at Chris Christie.

– Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Matt Katz, WNYC / New Jersey Public Radio reporter. Former political reporter for The Philadelphia Inquirer. (@MattKatz00)

McKay Coppins, senior writer for BuzzFeed. (@McKayCoppins)

Keith Appell, senior vice president at CRC Public Relations, longtime G.O.P. political strategist. (@KeithCRC)

Steve Deace, host of the nationally-syndicatedSteve Deace Show, based in Iowa. (@SteveDeaceShow)

From Tom’s Reading List

Bergen Record: GWB probe targets Christie’s office; renewal of subpoena power expected — “The George Washington Bridge lane-closure investigation could reach into Governor Christie’s office as early as Monday when a new round of subpoenas is expected to land on the desks of key members of Christie’s inner circle, a Democratic legislator leading the probe said on Saturday. Assemblyman John Wisniewski said he plans to issue subpoenas demanding documents from the governor’s former deputy chief of staff Bridget Anne Kelly and spokesman Michael Drewniak, along with other aides whose names surfaced last week in documents related to the lane closures in early September.”

NPR:  Beyond The Bridge, Christie Faces Questions About Sandy Funds — “There’s good news and bad news in the poll. A third of New Jerseyans think that Christie himself was involved in the decision to close the toll lanes, which caused the traffic jam – it’s only a third. But two-thirds do not accept the governor’s timeline about when he found out about the political retribution involved in this traffic scandal. And so there’s some mixed numbers here. It’s a great for the governor but it certainly could be worse.”

BuzzFeed: Why Conservatives Aren’t Rushing To Chris Christie’s Defense – “Christie has been at odds with his party’s right wing ever since the final days of the 2012 campaign, when many on the right believe he abandoned his efforts to elect Mitt Romney in pursuit of his own image as a champion of bipartisanship — embracing President Obama, often literally, in a series of widely publicized photos and interviews in the aftermath of Superstorm Sandy. He went on to stake out decidedly centrist positions on a number of issues during his reelection campaign, and when he won in a landslide, he lectured the rest of the GOP about why they should follow his lead.”

 

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  • Fiscally_Responsible

    i am not a Christie fan because of his more liberal stand on certain social issues. Investigating “Bridge Gate” is fine as long as it is done in an objective, non-guilty-until-proven-innocent, sensationalistic manner.

    But in the interest of fair play, the media and “On Point” should do some investigative reporting regarding the recent disclosure of Clinton’s Hit List that has been in the press during the past week or so. And this topic does not refer to a list of interns and other females that Bill wanted to “hit” on, although I’m sure many such lists existed and still exist (even though “he did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky”). Rather, it refers to Hillary’s list of people who she wanted to take revenge upon for not supporting her political candidacy in 2008. The same kind of story and motivation that Christie is being investigated and castigated for.

    By the way, if Edward Snowden is reading this, can you publish some of Bill’s “hit lists”? I’m sure that the public would find it enlightening and fascinating.

    • Shag_Wevera

      One sentence about the topic, two paragraphs about something else.

      • Fiscally_Responsible

        Actually, Hillary’s hit list and attempt to get at her political adversaries is very much related. And I wanted to make sure that people did not misunderstand what a Clinton Hit List was, given the propensity of Bill to commit continual adultery and then lie through his teeth about it to the American public. You see how there could be confusion about what a Clinton Hit List means, don’t you? Just trying to clear up any misconceptions that might be out there. In the interest of accurate reporting of facts.

        • Fiscally_Responsible

          And as I think about it, perhaps there is more to the Christie story. I wonder if Clinton operatives drove the liberal, supportive media to focus on this story now so that the spotlight is taken off of Hillary’s hit list and the negative sinister connotations of that story. I smell conspiracy!

          • 1Brett1

            Don’t blame liberal reporters; they’re scared too! …Yeah, Hillary dug up Vince Foster and FedEx’d pieces of him to various liberal reporters, reminding them what could happen if they didn’t report the Christie story….she even used Obama’s stationary, to get back at him for things he said about her during the 2008 campaign!

          • anamaria23

            You seem to be having difficulty maintaining your status as victim even in the face of one of the most bizarre and reckless political acts in recent memory. Now that you mention it, it could be said that the Christie operatives put out the Hillary story to detract from the grossness of the Christie administrations’s utter arrogance. and lack of regard for it’s constituents. Chris Christie is not Presidential, even before the bridge incident..

          • 1Brett1

            It is now becoming clear that Christie’s office also produced a political ad that used funds intended for Hurricane Sandy victims.

          • TFRX

            You’re whining over a list of who had endorsed Hillary, who backed Obama, and didn’t get off the fence, in 2008.

            Grow up.

        • Shag_Wevera

          It is related in that all politicians, make that all people have dirty laundry. I’m uncomfortable with Hillary, but haven’t seen anything bad enough to preclude her from holding office. Just a lot of overblown politics.

        • 1Brett1

          And just when one thinks your inanity and off-topic neocon pandering could get no worse, you prove that notion wrong…

          in your first sentence, the operative phrase here is “political adversaries” which is very different than inflicting harm on average citizens.

      • HonestDebate1

        But don’t you think Chris Chrisie and Hilary are political parallels and their respective treatments by the media are noteworthy? Conventional wisdom (hate it) says they are the front runners for 2016. Christie, at this point, is the only Republican that beats her in the polls. That means he must be destroyed and we are seeing the effort. We’ve seen it time and time again. And Hilary has a hit list, the dynamic is delicious.

        • 1Brett1

          The “hit list” story is all over the news. Today’s topic, however, is about Christie’s future with the GOP.

          • HonestDebate1

            I understand that but today’s topic has an agenda which is very much a part of Christie’s future. If OP wants to join the current media circus then it’s valid to look at Christie in that context.

          • Don_B1

            All you want to do is confuse the issue by bringing up things that are not equivalent except in the panic-stricken minds of Republicans who think the Governor is the last best chance of winning in 2016.

          • HonestDebate1

            I’m lukewarm on Christie.

        • TFRX

          No, they’re not.

          Every politician has a list of people who are not on their side. To pretend this is nursery school and that someone (the press corps, the teacher) will enforce something about everybody being
          nice to everyone else, is naive.

        • Don_B1

          If Governor Christie goes down, it will be of his own making.

          For whatever reason, the New Jersey public liked/likes his bombastic style, his “tell-it-like-it-is” bullying, which usually meant saying one thing while the opposite was true.

          1) He cancelled a tunnel project that would have provided needed public transportation from NJ to New York City for work commuters, claiming that NJ could not “afford it.” But he made no attempt to change the funding scheme” which others from NJ and NY stated could have been achieved and while they were trying, the Governor ignored them.

          2) The Governor found an amount of money equivalent to the tunnel cost to give big tax cuts to NJ business, and guess what, the job recovery in NJ has been among the slowest in the country. But all the jobs of the tunnel construction plus the additional jobs those paychecks would have supported never arrived.

          3) The Governor “proudly” took credit for 70,000 jobs created over FOUR years when NJ’s unemployment is at 7.8%. When you look at the rate just last August of 8.5%, you might think things are improving, but consider the previous declines which occurred as total jobs were CUT:

          http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2013/09/latest_nj_labor_report_sees_un.html

          New Jersey is not doing well, but a blustering, bullying governor has cowed the press as well as the local politicians and public.

          The good thing now is that he will get a longer, deeper look, and the other instances where he has taken his ire out on the public, not just other pols, as most politicians do in their “politics is not beanbag” role.

          Check out his actions against the new mayor of Jersey City and how Hoboken got less than 1% of what it requested for Sandy relief, when Hoboken was about 75% under water due to Hurricane Sandy.

    • 1Brett1

      Figures you would make some false equivalency here (especially to do a little Bill and Hillary bashing)…do try to stay on topic, though. You’ve had such difficulty in that regard, recently, one wonders if you are capable of addressing the topic at hand at all?!

      Politics is a dirty business, for sure, with politicians acting as despicably as a people can act, but what Hillary’s people did in compiling this “list” is de rigueur in modern politics, especially in national politics. The result of this list involved things like not doing a fundraising campaign for a politician who said something derogatory about Bill. So, wow, Hillary withdrew support for certain people/decided not to help certain political campaigns that her organizers felt had been damaging to her campaign: scandal of scandals! [Sarcasm]

      I’m not defending Hillary’s campaign people; it just doesn’t rise to the kind of corruption and political vengefulness that Chistie’s office has risen to.

      http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067.html#.UtZ6D66veRk

      Christie’s office committed an act that directly had an impact on average citizens in a very direct and damaging way to them.

      It’s one thing to not want to play ball with other politicians that one has felt wronged by, it is in another realm altogether to inflict harm on average citizens who just happen to live in a jurisdiction where you were not supported by a mayor in an opposing Party. It also looks more and more as though he’s not completely telling the truth about his involvement in the bridge scandal. Also, he is involved in another scandal: he used money that was allocated for Sandy relieve victims to produce a political ad in which he and his family were featured; that is pretty despicable.

      • Fiscally_Responsible

        You can give the liberals all the passes you want on conducting cut throat, vengeful tactics that the Clintons are masters at. Just be fair and balanced when it comes to questionable practices by those whose political viewpoints you disagree with.

        • 1Brett1

          Can you quote where I gave liberals “all the passes” one could give them in my comment?

          As far as comparing scandals, I was clear; but, I guess you didn’t read my comment at all, considering your reply.

        • TFRX

          Find me the retribution from the Clinton list.

          Hint: It doesn’t look Nixonian.

      • brettearle

        Good work, Brett.

        And according to WSJ, Christie called Cuomo to ask that the Investigation be tamped down or thwarted–the one started by the Port Authority Director, from NYC.

        Christie denied doing this.

      • Don_B1

        Great work, as brettearle, above, and many others, I am sure agree.

        But Fiscally_Responsible is just preaching the story of panic-stricken Republicans who have felt that Governor Christie was their last-best hope of winning the presidency in 2016 and each time they repeat their current sad distortions just makes them weaker and more desparate.

    • TFRX

      Yep the “Clinton Rules” are back in play: Anything the Clintons do, no matter how normative for politicians, signals evil intent, per many pundits.

  • LinRP

    Chris Christie’s office deliberately caused such gridlock on the busiest bridge in this country, which likely rises to the level of public endangerment and inciting mayhem.

    Where are the arrests?

    Those emails are smoking guns. Why do we need a full-blown inquiry at this point to at least arrest Kelly, Wildstein, if not Christie himself?

    If these people get away with this–and I mean everyone up and down the chain–then this country is truly hopeless with the powerful able to get away with just about anything.

    And we’re talking about Christie having a future leading this country? Pullleeze.

    • Don_B1

      I agree with your thrust, but it actually will require more investigation and proof to tie Governor Christie to ordering the lane closures.

      Remember, it took over a year to get President Richard Nixon to resign his office.

  • Shag_Wevera

    I think the electorate is letting more and more of these type of things go. An affair destroyed Gary Hart’s presidential ambitions, but later marijuana, Moscow, and Jennifer Flowers couldn’t stop Bill Clinton. We are seeming more and more interested in getting our guy in than eliminating everyone because of one bad call. Christie is successful because of his little guy/everyman persona. He is one of the few conservatives with true crossover appeal. If his ship sinks now, the GOP will be hurting for a decent candidate in 2016.

    • Fiscally_Responsible

      As Robert Bork explained in his book “Slouching Toward Gomorrah”, it is simply America’s continual descent into the moral cesspool of lack of integrity concerning everything (extra marrital relationships, societal acceptance of homosexual perversion as normal, greed, etc.).

      • Ray in VT

        Based upon some of his musings there, I’m rather glad that he didn’t end up getting a say on the major legal matters of the past 25 years.

        • Bluejay2fly

          The men in black have become a de facto legislative body in this nation. How could it be worse. They are driving this legislate America into Utopia. When the law takes place of individual ethical choice and decision making it degrades the original idea of liberty and freedom. God gave us free will for a reason.

      • lobstahbisque

        You forgot to compare homosexuality to bestiality. You guys can’t even keep your own standards up— what is the world coming to?

      • TFRX

        Ah, Robert Bork.

        Didn’t that hack lose a straight up-or-down vote?

    • 1Brett1

      It’s looking more and more as if Christie’s ‘little guy/everyman persona’ is a bit phony, more designed for political purposes than anything, in that ostensibly he cares as little about the average citizen as an elitist and petty politician who doesn’t have some “regular” guy image.

      • pete18

        Would you say that Obama is also a phoney?

        • 1Brett1

          Please look at the title of the topic for today’s show.

          • skelly74

            You can’t talk about a politician without talking about politics in general, and all politicians are the same. So Christie is the next up for the “politician playing badly” report? What else is new. He is not the exception.

            I would certainly like to see a politician actually suffer the consequences of his actions or “responsibilities” if they damage public trust. We would then have a great topic.

          • 1Brett1

            Your comment would have worked better if it had not been a “reply” to my comment.

            This Christie scandal has nothing to do with Obama or Hillary; it has been a way for the usual neocons on this forum to shoehorn in a little Obama and Hillary bashing, though.

            I might add, to reiterate, that today’s topic isn’t a general one about “politicians behaving badly.” …It remains to be seen if “bridgegate” or Christie’s scandal about using funds for one of his political ads that were intended to be devoted to relief for Sandy victims will hurt his political aspirations in the long run.

          • pete18

            Saw it, I’m wondering what your standard for evaluating a phoney is?

          • Don_B1

            What is your standard?

          • pete18

            Tell me yours and I’ll tell you mine.

    • J__o__h__n

      But Clinton denied the affair and he didn’t inhale.

  • HonestDebate1

    I am happy to see the sudden change of heart about the notion of holding the chief executive accountable and refusing to let him play dumb. Pitching a hissy, claiming ignorance (tacitly admitting incompetence) and firing someone does not pass the smell test…..provided someone is actually fired…. or not promoted. Christie should not be taken at his word. Why should he be? He’s the boss.

    • Don_B1

      Who are you accusing of a change of heart? It seems to me that you are more guilty than liberals, who stand for good, effective government that is responsible to the needs of the people, not some abstract ideology which can lead to actions actually harmful to many people, particularly poor and otherwise disenfranchised workers.

      • HonestDebate1

        I am referring to anyone who previously accepted the lame excuses about being too incompetent to be expected to know what’s going on, so they didn’t hold the chief executive accountable.

  • skelly74

    Why is anyone surprised? Politics is a contact sport demanding a special breed of human. Its ironic that we artificially demand squeaky clean characters to be our political leaders while the job actually calls for cunning, conniving, and completely completely cut throating social operators. Nice guys do in fact finish last in politics. Politicians have allies or adversaries, never neutral partners.

    Christie should not be trusted; as no politician should be trusted. The public should not put politicians on pedestals because they are not characters to look up to.

    All politicians should be watched carefully and put on the record constantly. Unless you belong to a special interest, you should consider all politicians adversaries to your public well being.

    Politics is a contact sport. Nice guys finish last. Fight for your interest what ever that may be.

    • Bluejay2fly

      It is more like, what you can do for corporations. That is the key.

  • Ray in VT

    Unless something really bad comes out of this investigation, I don’t know how much this will impact any 2016 aspirations that Governor Christie has. The primaries are still 2 years away. That is one heck of a long time in the attention span of the American public.

    • John Cedar

      Not only that, but the MSN picked Christie, the primaries did not. How good are they at picking who the candidates will be two years ahead of time? Not good at all.

      Interestingly, last night I was watching whatever MSN librul tripe news station that my 80 year old parents had on, and after they did there obligatory opening hit piece on Christie, they closed out the story by casually mentioning that the only pole taken shows Christie’s approval rating was still the high number that it was before this “scandal” broke.

      • Bluejay2fly

        I lost ALL intellectual respect for my in-laws because they watch FOX. Propaganda is propaganda red or blue, left or right.

      • Don_B1

        Can’t even graciously accept when the MSM reports facts that favor your side?

        It was Republican operatives that got Governor Christie in the news as a potential candidate for the Republican nomination for the presidency in 2011 and 2012, which Governor Christie promoted with his non-final denials that he would enter.

  • HonestDebate1

    It would be great if the panel could discus Hillary’s role in the future of Christie and his with hers.

    • northeaster17

      Let me help you with this. Hillary’s role in Christies future, for better or for worse, will be to send him packing.

      • HonestDebate1

        Exactly!

  • Bluejay2fly

    Appearance seems to matter more in US politics than content of character. I would worry more about his weight. Heaven forbid we have a fat president, one with a mustache, one wheelchair bound, a short one, or one with a speech impediment. Imagine what kind of national rulers they would be.

  • 1Brett1

    The GOP has had an axe to grind with Christie since just before the presidential election (when he appeared with Obama after Hurricane Sandy). I don’t see GOP politicians rushing to his defense necessarily (although, they may be out there), but I have heard a few conservative pundits dismiss not only this scandal but his other scandal where his office produced a political ad with funds that were supposed to be used for Sandy victims.

    • John Cedar

      What does “dismiss” mean?
      From my perspective, the scandal doesn’t change that I would vote for the guy if given the choice between him and any other challenger with a D after their name.

      The alleged action are also a reminder of why conservatism is the best choice in government. People act like people when they get power and that’s why we don’t want a gig powerful government. It doesn’t matter if it is a drone killing , or the NSA spying, or the closing of the Washington monument, or the partial closing of a heavily traveled bridge. It is all subject to abuse.

      • Bluejay2fly

        We have not had a true conservative since Eisenhower. Sad but true. Even Reagan was seriously flawed.

  • John Cedar
  • Bluejay2fly

    The GOP has this one in 2016 as long as they run somebody non controversial. Christie thus far is a wise choice ,but many neocons find him to accommodating and hate him. It will be his own party that eats him not the left side of the propaganda infotainment industry.

    • John Cedar

      Romney did well last election…and he is not fat.
      His own party ate him too.
      Hillary and Obama were eating each other at one time.
      Camp Hillary started the birther movement.

      • Bluejay2fly

        Romney died because he was a hypocritical POS (His taker speech killed him). Yes, as we have seen primaries can be nasty fights and certainly gives the other side ammo to use later on. No matter what, the economy and foreign policy are what people use to gage POTUS success. It has not been good for the democrats. The GOP needs to run somebody who is not an OBVIOUS corporate shill or a head case. Christie fits that bill.

      • J__o__h__n

        Romney’s party didn’t want him from day one of the campaign. That was why every week someone else was crowned the front runner until he or she imploded.

    • northeaster17

      The GOP does not have this anything in 2016. It’s a long way out.

      • Bluejay2fly

        I am assuming that the dems run Hillary. Your right it is all based on who they decide to run.

  • William

    I wonder if Christie had an actually “enemies” list like Hillary and Bill have on people that they fell betrayed them.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-running-list-enemies-allies-2008-election-report-article-1.1578117

    • northeaster17

      If he did the Mayor of Fort Lee was certainly on it. Maybe you didn’t get that memo

      • William

        Like Hillary said “What difference does it make”.

        • northeaster17

          Actually we are seeing a big differance.

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            Is Pelosi going to tell us, “You have to elect her to see how she’ll punish her enemies.”?

    • TFRX

      For those of you not in WilliamWorld, he’s clutching his ascot about a list of who had endorsed Hillary, who backed Obama, and didn’t get off the fence, in 2008.

  • James

    Assuming that Christie was unaware of what was happening (which is an open question) how is this whole thing any different from Benghazi?

    • Bluejay2fly

      Well we have Bengazi anybody want to mentioned Nazi’s?

      • jefe68

        Wait for it, IRS has not been mentioned… yet.

        • pete18

          IRS!

          • JGC

            Fast and Furious!

          • jefe68

            Regressive!

          • pete18

            Drink!

    • Bluejay2fly

      Most people who bemoan Bengazi actually hate muslims and people whom they collectively referred to as terrorists. The diplomat who was killed dedicated his life to helping those people and shared an entirely opposite view. Those who cried bloody murder for Bengazi are like an ardent Klansmen using the martyring of a black man to further his own end.

    • hennorama

      James — surely you do not believe that anyone in the Federal government ACTIVELY CAUSED the Benghazi attacks.

      • James

        Absolutely not

        My point about Benghazi is that extra security was requested PRIOR to the attack and Secretary of State Clinton pleaded ignorance, she passed the buck to those who didn’t tell her. Which is her best case scenario, because otherwise she would have been guilty of neglect. Governor Christie’s best case scenario is to plead ignorance, he passed the buck to a “rougue aid” because otherwise he would be guilty of malice

        • hennorama

          James — thank you for your response.

          An obvious conclusion, based on the outcome, is that security at the U.S. facilities in Benghazi, one of which was a CIA outpost, was inadequate.

          One could also conclude from the outcome that quite a large security force would likely have been required to prevent and/or defend against dozens of attackers armed with heavy weapons, diesel fuel, and mortars.

          Prior to the attacks, did anyone request added security that would have been sufficient to prevent and/or defend against the attacks that occurred?

  • AC

    well, i was wondering about him before, he seemed ok, but i got responses that warned me he was not what he seemed….this does seem suspicious….i think it’s over for him
    i do feel a little sorry for him if he really didn’t know anything about it, it’s a serious schmear, imagine someone ruining your career like that. you can make stuff up and ruin a career nowadays – look at fox news unrelenting attacks on the president, who needs truth? you just need innuendo and angry people to help you out. ‘birthers’ – lol. good god, to be a politician nowadays – there’s a job i’ll never wander in to!

    • Bluejay2fly

      You sound like you have a soul so you do not qualify!

    • JGC

      AC, I hear Governor Christie has an unexpected new job opening for “Director of Transportation Projects” with the NJ Port Authority!

      Think about it AC! With your years of education and background in civil engineering, you have the training and unique expertise to soundly evaluate the bridge and surrounding highway infrastructure and to make wise decisions in regards to…what? Excuse me for a minute….

      Oh, I’ve just been informed that the “Director of Transportation Projects” with the NJPA is a $150K patronage job, and people with real qualifications need not apply. Sorry, AC. Better keep your day job after all.

      • AC

        ugh. and there are so many good, hard working people at the NJPA, this whole snafu is such a shame….

  • RolloMartins

    Gotta admit he’d put the bully in “Bully Pulpit.”

  • stephenreal

    NSA Chief: We don’t spy on Congress
    Pres Obama: I don’t use the IRS to terrorize my political opponents
    Gov Chris Christie: Bridge? What bridge?

    • northeaster17

      Terrorize?

      • stephenreal

        Target, Chase credit and the NSA all failed me in 2013.

        Is there anyone else out there that feels the need to display my personal, credit and security records to the world again?
        Anyone?

  • ThirdWayForward

    This program really should be focusing on the mass of evidence that incriminates Christie in shutting down the George Washington bridge access for Fort Lee and surrounding towns, Christie has his fingerprints all over this one, and he has yet to say explicitly that he did not have any hand in ordering the bridge closure. He is amazingly incurious about why his staff went through the trouble of organizing the bridge access closure (it’s because he already knows all the answers — he ordered the hit).

    Emails that have just come out incriminate almost all of the people in his inner circle, and these people are known to be loyal foot-soldiers, not rogue operators. He demonstrably lied at last week’s press conference about his meetings with Wildstein, as a photo unearthed by the Wall Street Journal, published yesterday shows. A general pattern of extorting political endorsements in return for access to state officials has come to light.

    Focusing on the 2016 race now is premature and it gives Republican shills all sorts of opportunities to deflect attention to Christie and his gang. Establishment Republicans are trying to contain the damage to their brand. They portray themselves as good government types, and Christie was one of their stars, but the picture that is coming out of New Jersey is a governor who is constantly trying to strong-arm people into supporting his gang, on pain of political and financial retribution.

    The guy is a bully, a thug and it is unfortunate, but his persona resonates with many Republicans. That is a deeper problem with the American conservative psyche.

    What is not yet known was Christie’s motive in shutting down bridge access for Fort Lee. Political retribution to Fort Lee mayor Sokolich seems like too small a motive, but it is not beyond Christie’s vindictiveness. GW bridge access was essential for a $1 billion development in Fort Lee a block away, on the most potentially valuable parcel in New Jersey (Redevelopment Area 5, developments Hudson Lights at Fort Lee).

    This is Steve Kornacki’s theory:
    http://www.msnbc.com/steve-kornacki/the-bridgegate-theory-you-havent-heard

    We think maybe they were trying to shake down the project, maybe the Mayor or the investors or the developers were not willing to pay off Chirstie’s gang, and Christie was determined to show them that he had the power to render their real estate worthless simply by choking access to the bridge. They had started construction on the project, but didn’t get their final financing until just after the traffic shutdown ended.

    So the question is how much potential graft is there in a $1 billion project like that — is it enough to take the trouble to use the Port Authority to extort favors from the project? How much payback is typical in a state like New Jersey, 5%, 10%? A great deal can be done with $50 or $100 million.

  • MrNutso
  • realedreform

    On the Bridge that Day

    Yes, I was on the bridge that day
    dear Governor take these cones away!

    It was so slow on the bridge that day
    but patience kept us on our way.

    And now we hear the cones were there
    for payback in Fort Lee somewhere.

    Will we find patience for to see
    that some one ‘fesses up to thee?

    And we?

  • J__o__h__n

    I don’t think he knew personally, but am not surprised that one of his minions did this. This was a particularly stupid method of political payback as it annoyed ordinary people in a way that everyone can relate (being stuck in traffic). His Republican rivals are going to be the ones keeping this story alive.

    • ThirdWayForward

      It’s not just one person, one bad, rogue apple. Almost all of the people close to him have directly implicating emails. Everyone in his office was in on the operation. It is impossible that he did not know, and extremely likely that he called the shots.

      The details of this rapidly unfolding fiasco are making it only slowly into the mainstream press, and this is why Christie’s poll numbers are not dramatically worse than they will become as the scandal widens and drags on.

      In any case, Christie is political toast.

      • J__o__h__n

        I think it was more than one and that he knew that his people would do this sort of thing but suspect he approved of this sort of thing but kept himself above the details.

        • ThirdWayForward

          We don’t know yet for sure, but his style reportedly is tight-control hands-on sort of manager. But maybe, like a gang leader, he himself doesn’t send emails — he gives his orders verbally, and this gives him some deniability.

          Many people have been fired, and more will be fired. Many emails have been released, but many more will come to light. At some point, one of his lieutenants or foot-soldiers may talk, and then things are going to get much tougher for Christie.

          What is amazing to me is that had the New Jersey committee investigating the Port Authority not had subpoena power, although there would have been suspicions about the bridge hit, it would have been hard for prosecutors to do anything. about it. It probably did not occur to the Christie gang that someone would connect the dots AND that their emails could get subpoenaed.

          Once the edifice cracks, the whole corrupt structure collapses.

  • stephenreal

    Who ordered the Code Red?

    • MrNutso

      The truth is that deep down you liberals want me out on that bridge.

      • TFRX

        Boffo stuff!

      • stephenreal

        Did you order the Code Red?

        • TFRX

          (Belated boffo stuff to you on this too. I didn’t know this was part of that famous speech.)

          • stephenreal

            I want the truth! Did you order the Code Red?

  • TFRX

    Does anyone else want the Cleveland Browns to sign Brit Hume as head coach?

    I mean, he may only be Fox News’ head “hard news” guy, but he does have an eye for what makes a male “manly, muscular” in his description of Christie.

    “Muscular”? Boy, that’s desperate. Why don’t they all go back to slobbering over Putin’s topless photo shoots. Their need for a big bad daddy is offputting, to say the least.

  • MrNutso

    Setting aside whether he new about it, what kind of chief executive jokes about a serious situation. If he really wants to be believable and play the victim card, he should have said he will have the issue investigated to see what the story is.

    • OnPointComments

      “Shovel-ready was not as … uh .. shovel-ready as we expected.” –President Obama, at the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, joking about the lack of jobs created by the stimulus spending

  • geraldfnord

    Prediction: he will claim it all came from a case of ‘Chicago’ cooties he picked up from Obama (because when has a New Jersey adminstration ever been so base?) that will be cured by other Republicans’ remembering that he’s a union-hating bully (or ‘Real Man’, as they see it) who still might be electable.

  • TFRX

    “The conservative blogosphere” was pissed that CC has resorted to doing actual governance, even if that means being seen in public with a Dem president.

    That same wing of blogosphere are delusional about what is needed to get back from a hurricane.

  • Renee Engine-Bangger

    Creeps me out when bullies get that soft, slightly plaintive tone in their voice while they stand over someone saying “Me, a bully? Never!”

    • TFRX

      I’m predicting that you can cut-n-paste your post in next hour’s show about harrassing women on the internet.

      (And I don’t even know if I’m kidding at this point.)

    • jefe68

      Whada ya want, he’s from Jersey.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Does America want New Jersey in the White House? I’m not so sure.

    I can tell you Texas isn’t going to vote for him – I don’t care how red that state is. They’ll stay home at election time.

    Texas: The home of my ancestors since 1819.

    • TFRX

      That brings us to “which state is the most like America”, which usually doesn’t start up until we look at Iowa and New hampshire and say “These states scrub off prez candidates?”

      Demographically, I always wondered which state would be the “perfect” one for Presidents. For a long time it proved to be Ohio. Now, who knows?

  • hennorama

    New term that combines narratives (which I stole from somewhere):

    Bridghazi

    • MrNutso

      Investigating the shutdown of lanes to the GWIRSB.

      • hennorama

        Slow and Furious.

        • 1Brett1

          This one gets my vote for satirical political scandal sound bite of the day!

          • stephenreal

            I like ” The Slow and the Furious”.

            Touche’! well done.

          • hennorama

            1Brett1 — you’re too kind, but thank you. Please feel free to steal it, with or without attribution.

          • 1Brett1

            I’ll only withhold attribution if I use it outside of this forum! :-)

    • skelly74

      That is interesting. I think you might be channeling a vision of a Clinton Christie run off. What else do you see?

  • MrNutso

    So who would have been better than Romney in 2012? Santorum? Bachmann? Cain?

    • Bluejay2fly

      “There is small choice in a barrel full of rotten apples’ Shakespeare

      • skelly74

        Exactly. Unfortunately we have to pick from only two barrels.

  • Jon

    don’t agree with glen beck – cc is politician. a politician can be either progressive or conservative. cc is a master of that

    • TFRX

      I guess Christie’s honest (from what I can tell) remarks about the GOP having to tamp down “the crazy”, regarding his appointing Sohail Mohammed, a well-regarded Muslim, to the NJ Supreme Court, was too much to keep the “respect” of Glenn Beck.

  • MrNutso

    Yeah, yeah, yeah balanced budgets. What does the State Constitution say about that?

  • William

    Hey Big Guy…where is your “bipartisan” supporters now?

  • stephenreal

    Rule one in politics. “Everyone forgets everything in two weeks.”
    And 2016 is a lifetime away.

    • Bluejay2fly

      Rule #2 Two weeks seems like an eternity.

  • RolloMartins

    The Tea Party actually believes they need to be even further to the right to get a president elected. Kool-aid.

    • northeaster17

      I hope they suceed

      • Bluejay2fly

        A movement based on a historical event that our beloved founders referred to disapprovingly as “the destruction of the tea” how appropriate.

    • jefe68

      It’s amazing, talk about a delusional bubble mindset.

  • tbphkm33

    Funny, the Nopublican faction of the discussion board group must have been busy sniffing FOX Entertainment “News” all morning long (i.e. conservative propaganda and brain washing).

    Incapable of staying on topic – a common ailment of being a member of the cabal that masquerades as the modern Nopublican Party. Too many half-truth myths, spin stories and ignoring too much reality that would be staring them in the face if their heads were not deep in the sand.

    When all else fails, when one of your own is caught with his/her pants down, start spinning the muck and drag up half-truths about the opposition. When all along, reality is, that what we have is a fairly good picture of how the Nopublican machine operates.

    If you missed it, the topic of the day is: “Chris Christie’s Future With The G.O.P.” – although, I would change that to the Not-So-Grand Old Party.

    • OnPointComments

      I have to be skeptical about criticism that emanates from a member of the party that frequently counters any criticism of President Obama with statements that begin “But Bush…”

  • hennorama

    It’s interesting that Gov. Christie touts NJ bipartisanship, in light of the reports of arm-twisting that was done in the lead up to his reelection.

    How much of that bipartisan support was coerced?

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Jesus Christie, Messiah. Don’t we already have one of those in Washington, D.C.? The black savior guy.. what’s his name?

  • JGC

    What was Ted Cruz up to early the morning of August 13?

  • MrNutso

    Lets not forget that the GWB incident fits into a Christies pattern of revenge.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/01/christie-an-angry-dictator-toward-the-press.html

  • jefe68

    The reality is Governor Christie never stood a chance of winning the GOP nomination for 2016 even before “a bridge to far”.

    • tbphkm33

      Christie did have a chance of running as an independent partnered with a senior Democrat. Such a ticket would capture the imagination of the masses and win. Moderates would gather around such a ticket and enough ideologues on either side would jump in.

      • J__o__h__n

        The masses aren’t enamored with the notion of third party moderates.

      • jefe68

        That’s not bound to happen, and if it did it would most likely not play out how you frame it.
        First off, no Democrat would run with him. Second, he’s from New Jersey, has been the governor of a Blue state and like Giuliani he’s to East coast for the GOP base.

        He’s toast.

  • TFRX

    Gish Gallop alert for caller Eve at 35 minutes.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Bill Clinton: lawyer. Barack Obama: lawyer. Hillary Clinton: lawyer. Chris Christie: lawyer.

    Can’t America DO BETTER than just another lawyer for chief executive?

    • J__o__h__n

      Sports team owner and failed oilman didn’t work out so well.

    • Bluejay2fly

      We had a village idiot George Bush

    • MrNutso

      Herbert Hoover. He was an engineer. Full disclosure, I’m an engineer.

      • TFRX

        I’m not slagging or pimping Hoover, but from this vantage point I consider Hoover’s pre-presidential career as a technocrat, and a good one.

        Look at what he did before being Commerce Secy: Famine Relief in Europe after WWI (think “Marshall Plan”), the Federal Radio Commission (now the FCC) to get a handle on radio.

        • Bluejay2fly

          Statesmanship died in polities when corporations began to influence elections.

          • TFRX

            When was that? I mean, before we had corporations in the modern sense, we had all those people Thomas Nast caricatured, with no dearth of interests and string-pulling.

          • Bluejay2fly

            The benchmark could be when you had to be a millionaire to be elected to POTUS or to a lesser degree a member of congress.

        • MrNutso

          Agreed. That means that it’s not really the profession, it’s ideology.

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          Summers/Rubin 2016 then.

          Fantastic technocrats.

      • Ms. Spider

        W. MBA. How’d that work out?

  • ThirdWayForward

    Inevitably, Scott Walker of Wisconsin is being mentioned as a Christie alternative. Walker is a petty fascist bullying authoritarian who also has a string of political scandals in his closet. Somehow, we have the premonition that we will come to know those in greater detail as Walker’s star rises on the right.

    The Christie polls are lagging indicators. In a month they will be much lower, as more emails are subpoenaed, and Christie’s involvement becomes clear.

    Christie says he takes complete responsibility for the bridge operation — if he really meant it, he would resign.

    Christie should resign. Now.

    • Cynth

      Walker may do well with the base and, thus, the Republican primaries, but he’s not electable,

      • ThirdWayForward

        The Republican base is so wacked out and so far from the center of American political sensibility that it’s not clear that they can win a presidential election. They have enormous structural problems politically.

        It seems to us that this dynamic has been brought about by the Koch brothers and the hundreds of millions that they injected into the right wing political ecosystem in the last few years. That money created the Tea party and it has sustained its political power by funding primary challenges that can be used as threats to enforce compliance with their extreme right agenda.

        • Cynth

          This is what happens when puppet masters are given too much latitude. Fortunately, most of the nation isn’t as gullible as the Tea Party. But we’re getting off topic…

  • Cynth

    It doesn’t add to the discussion when guests use this as an opportunity to spin for their — and their clients’ — political agendas. Calling Christie a “moderate Democrat” smacks of campaign language and tactics that should have no place in a thoughtful discussion.

    • ThirdWayForward

      We were appalled that they ran the radio clip calling Christie a “progressive” without any critical comment whatsoever.

      • Cynth

        They let a lot slide today…

    • skelly74

      Should it not be the actions that label a person liberal or conservative be most important, regardless of what team a politician decides to play for; there’s only two choices anyway. Politicians are smart. They know the sheep will vote for their team no matter what happens.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    This page needs a g+ icon/link for network sharing. The universe: bigger than Facebook & Twitter.

  • hennorama

    Both Mr. Ashbrook and Mr. Appell have been using the past tense for Gov. Christie’s political prospects.

    IMO, it’s far too early for that.

    • J__o__h__n

      It should be too early to discuss 2016 too.

      • hennorama

        J__o__h__n — in American politics, it’s never too early to discuss the next election.

        • J__o__h__n

          I said “should” not that I expected otherwise.

        • MrNutso

          Yeah, who do you like in 2020?

          • J__o__h__n

            I’m not looking forward to Chelsea v. one of the Romney brood after that.

          • TFRX

            Hey, what about one of the Bush twins? Two for one deal?

          • JGC

            Wrong Bush. George Prescott Bush is being groomed for the family business. I think he is head dog catcher somewhere around the Texas capital. Only a short climb from there to President in 2020.

          • TFRX

            By elimination (Not Shrub, not Jeb, not Neil–who ran the Silverado S&L into the ground by giving his buddies a half billion dollars of protected loans), GPB must be the best one remaining.

          • Bluejay2fly

            The only one that had potential was the one absorbed in utero.

          • hennorama

            TFRX – among other quirks, my brain features a sort of auto-scrolling of definitions. When reading your comment, it landed on (a) below, from m-w.com:

            “Definition of ELIMINATION

            : the act, process, or an instance of eliminating or discharging: as

            a : the act of discharging or excreting waste products from the body

            b : the removal from a molecule of the constituents of a simpler molecule {ethylene is formed by the elimination of water from ethanol} — compare addition”

            That puts a different sort of spin on “the least dirty shirt” idiom.

          • hennorama

            JGC — is George Prescott Bush involved with Prescott Pharmaceuticals, a firm that sponsors some of Stephen Colbert’s show segments?

            See:
            http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/431964/january-08-2014/cheating-death—robo-sperm—health-roulette?xrs=share_copy

          • TFRX

            I had to stop taking them after suffering side effects such as

            Argyle Pattern Baldness
            Jimmy Crack Corns
            and
            Rocky Mountain Oysterism

          • JGC

            Possibly…

    • Labropotes

      This conversation is premature. There is no significant new information since Friday when the topic dominated the discussion. People’s views now are just Rorschach test results.

      That said, Christie is deep fried after this episode.

  • stephenreal

    Chris Christie caught up in the “slow and the furious” scandal.
    as one young person put it.

  • MrNutso

    HEY, it’s Democratic candidates, not Democrat.

    • Cynth

      Yes, but some in the GOP still cling to the tactic of trying to eliminate the “ic.” It didn’t work a few years ago and it won’t work now.

      • ThirdWayForward

        They do it as a sophomoric act of political disrespect. It’s what you do if you have no positive political program. Their platform consists of fear, resentment, and prejudice.

        • Cynth

          Spot-on. It’s much like the ad hominem attacks on this forum…

    • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

      It’s hard for some of us old school liberals to put the “ick” at the end of Democrat. Hillary makes it much easier. Hoober Doober

    • Jeff

      How do you refer to many Democrats? Is it Democratics? Would you call yourself a Democrat or a Republican? Try describing yourself as a member of the Democratic party without using the word “party”…also getting the point across with a short concise sentence.

      • J__o__h__n

        Democrats is fine. Democrat candidates is incorrect.

        • Jeff

          Is it okay to refer to yourself as a Democrat? Is that acceptable?

          • J__o__h__n

            Yes. It is a question of grammar not political correctness.

          • Jeff

            I guess it’s just one more think to be politically correct about; I never took offense when I was a Democrat to the word Democrat or calling others a Democrat. Where does the fine line end? Can you refer to a Democrat politician (that calls themselves a Democrat) as a Democrat? Or now we have to always use the phrase “a member of the Democratic party” in place of the phrase “a Democrat”?

          • Cynth

            There is a history to this usage and it’s very much a part of Republican tactics. I suggest you read up on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

          • Jeff

            Oh I did, I found that many Democrats never viewed it as offensive and even used it until around the PC era of the 1990′s. Many, if not most were actually calling their own party the Democrat part long before (100+ years ago) it suddenly became “offensive” in recent years.

          • Cynth

            “Many” isn’t an accurate measure, but it is self-serving for you. It also doesn’t present the whole story. The bottom line is that it’s not how the party refers to itself and the Republicans are using it as a tactic, not as a favor to “many” Democrats.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Hilarious!!!

            I can’t believe anyone cares.

          • Cynth

            Yet, here you are, commenting…

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            You are feigning stupidity.

            There are Democrats in the Democratic Party.

            This grammar lesson is over.

          • Jeff

            While a single individual is then a Democrat, right?

          • J__o__h__n

            Democrat is fine as a noun. You don’t have to say some PC nonsense like “a person who is Democratic.” Democrat party is wrong for the same reason as “moron comment” instead of “moronic comment.”

      • TFRX

        Lemme ask my “Jew lawyer” friend if there’s anything cheezy and sleazy about using a noun as an adjective.

        • Cynth

          Why has your post not been removed yet?

          • Labropotes

            It’s shocking, but it’s a valid example. It’d be wrong to suppress it.

          • Cynth

            It’s not shocking and I had misunderstood his comment. It is a valid example.

          • Cynth

            I retract my question and see the point you’re making.

          • TFRX

            Thanks. People describe me as having a killer deadpan. Usually I say “I have to say I’m kidding” at the bottom of some posts.

          • J__o__h__n

            Someone thought I seriously feared getting “adult onset autism” from a vaccine in last week’s show.

          • Cynth

            It’s happened to most of us and I should have read more closely. And I like killer deadpan…it can be very effective. :-)

      • Jeff

        An often repeated quote by many Democrats:

        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.

        Will Rogers

        • Labropotes

          Woody Guthrie said Will Rogers was the greatest American ever to have lived.

        • TFRX

          How badly did you fail middle-school English? Noun v. adjective.

          • Labropotes

            As every schoolboy knows, nouns often take the properties of adjectives. E.g., emergency door, bomb shelter. A noun functioning this way is singular and precedes the noun it is modifying.

      • Cynth
  • JGC

    “Because I’ve sat in that traffic, before I was governor, at the George Washington Bridge, and the fact that one town (Fort Lee) has THREE lanes dedicated to it, that kind of gets me sauced.” — Governor You-Know-Who, at the press conference last month, the one where he “confessed” to placing the cones himself

  • Renee Engine-Bangger

    “Our God-given rights are more imperiled than they have been since redcoats…blah blah blah”

    Sigh. Another right wing drama queen “pundit.”

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Enjoying that NSA action are you? How about the lying under oath? Or the unconstitutional precedent that the Federal Gov’t can now tell you to buy things unconditionally.

      I know, that stuff is so inconsequential, and there is a cool guy in the White House, and a woman on deck! Why worry about content?! Principles…oh Pshaw!

      What difference does it really make!?

      • Renee Engine-Bangger

        What, did you just wake up yesterday?

        Oh wait – you are just spouting Right Wing Whine.™ Nevermind. I don’t argue with fools.

  • stephenreal

    They made the whole show with out calling Christie a RHINO.

    • Cynth

      Yes, this is what happens when partisans who can’t control their impulses and attempt to push their agendas participate in the program. Disappointing…this could have been a very interesting discussion.

    • Ms. Spider

      But they got Benghazi in a couple times.

  • MrNutso

    Uh oh, Job Creators.

  • J__o__h__n

    Why did the GOP hack just mention “business owners and job creators?” I thought they were the same thing. He obviously got the memo on “Democrat” not Democratic” but must have missed that one.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Nazis. Blocked the Arnhem bridge. Won the battle.
    Christie. Blocked the George Washington bridge. Lost the battle.
    Chris Christie: Not as smart as the Wehrmacht.

    There’s a campaign motto for you.

    • Bluejay2fly

      Operation Market Garden State

    • jefe68

      Spring Time for Christie…

  • J__o__h__n

    I wasn’t expecting to hear Chris Christie and “thin bench” in the same sentence.

  • OnPointComments

    I wonder if caller Cheryl would also hold President Obama responsible for needlessly targeting children with sequester spending cuts.

    From the House Committee on Natural Resources:

    “A Less Secure Future for Rural Schools: An Investigation into the Obama Administration’s Questionable Application of the Sequester to the Secure Rural Schools Program”
    http://naturalresources.house.gov/uploadedfiles/oversightreport-113-alesssecurefutureforruralschools.pdf

    “The decision to retroactively apply the sequester to these funds and demand repayment from rural counties is another example of the Obama Administration going out of its way to make the spending cuts as “painful as possible.” The automatic fiscal year 2013 budget cuts included as part of the Budget Control Act of 2011, known as the “sequester,” should not have been used as a tool to score political points on the backs of rural schools and communities.

    • Attorneys in the USDA Office of General Counsel had determined in February 2013 that sequestration would not apply to the Title I and Title III money already disbursed because sequestration would apply only to money actually in the SRS accounts on the date sequestration began.
    • The White House Office of Management and Budget overruled USDA’s interpretation, leaving USDA and the Forest Service scrambling in March 2013 to figure out how to make up the shortfall and justify the decision to apply the sequester to the Title I and III money already paid to states.

  • TFRX

    Keith says “the prism of bipartisanship” isn’t going to work for the R’s because of Obama?

    Tom, that’s a hoot.

    Can we get a guest to mention the “destroy Obama, no matter what” strategy the GOP’s been using since election night 2008?

    • skelly74

      Exactly. They copied the “Bash Bush” beyond recognition that the left used constantly leading up to election night 2008. How strange the sheeple don’t notice these funny games.

  • http://hlb-engineering.us/ HLB

    Staff ALWAYS knows what the boss wants. And why. Any cubicle rat can tell you that.
    –Dilbert

  • fionnmaccumhailus

    The guests have highlighted the current 4 party system, Republicans center, Teaparty, Democrats, and Progressives. This was right-wing conservatives talking down a center Republican.

  • Labropotes

    Christie’s tin ear is shown by his using the phrase, “Mistakes were made.” He should have said, “I made mistakes.”

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      “mistakes were made”
      Very Clintonesque.

      • jefe68

        And so 90′s.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          So 2013.
          “What difference does it make… 4 dead Americans”

          • jefe68

            There it is, Benghazi. You just can’t help yourself.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Yes, Benghazi is more substantive than a traffic jam.

            Any reaction to the documents released this week that indicate the military told Obama this was a coordinated terrorist attack and not a spontaneous demonstration within 90 minutes of the start and yet he went on for weeks misleading the American people?

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            We lied about the nature of the Benghazi attack for 9 days, knowing within hours, based on reports to Panetta and Obama by military leaders, that it was a coordinated terror attack.

            We lied, we misled with a “video” story, to protect my rear, and maintain our political narrative of defeating terrorism. Fine.

            What difference at this point does it make?!

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            You are taking what Hillary Clinton said out of context. Context = meaning

            Here’s the full quote:

            “With all due respect, the fact is, we had four dead Americans! Was it
            because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
            who decided they’d go kill some Americans? What difference at this point
            does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do
            everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again.”

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            What did Mrs. Clinton actually accomplish as secretary of state other than creating a huge carbon footprint?
            That Russian ‘reset’ is working out great.

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            Was the traffic jam because I told my operatives to get some political retribution, or were my underlings just bumbling fools who thought they would have a laugh?

            What difference at this point does it make?!

          • Labropotes

            Neil, the full quote makes it clear how pointless her comment was. If it makes no difference what gave rise to the deaths why does she go on to say our job is to figure out what happened and prevent it happening again? It was phoney theatrical rage intended to disarm further questioning. My little sister still does that.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            The compressed “quote” that WftC posted – taking phrases from separate sentences – totally distorts what Hillary Clinton said.

            You can try to rationalize your bias … but you only reveal it more clearly.

      • Cynth

        And?

      • Ms. Spider

        Actually, it’s classically Nixonian. He used it repeatedly. So did Ronnie, whilst excusing away the IranContra scandal. Get your facts straight before jumping to partisan pablum.

    • Cynth

      Yes, it the difference between pride and humility, deflection and responsibility, defensiveness and contrition.

    • hennorama

      Labropotes — “Mistakes were clearly made” is rather lame, but that phrase is now the standard non-denial denial.

    • OnPointComments

      President Obama on gunwalking in Fast & Furious: “There may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made.” Recall that hundreds were killed by the guns in this operation. Is it possible for President Obama’s phrase to be more of tentative and evasive?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        It’s not fair to bring up Obama quotes.

        Fast forward a few months from this quote and he’ll start calling it a phony scandal. Amazing that the media never calls him on the duplicity.

  • Adrian_from_RI

    I hope that NPR and the other Main Stream Media outlets will whitewash Governor Chris Christie for his vindictive transgression as eagerly as they whitewash the vindictive transgressions of President Barack Obama.

    • OnPointComments

      THE MEDIA’S CHRIS CHRISTIE HYSTERIA
      How to explain the national frenzy over a New Jersey scandal?

      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368442/medias-chris-christie-hysteria-jonah-goldberg

      Excerpt:
      …the feeding frenzy surrounding New Jersey governor Chris Christie will be remembered as one of those incredibly odd moments of elite journalistic hysteria that are difficult to explain to people who weren’t there or didn’t get it.

      For starters, there have been countless greater outrages at the state level that have received far less national coverage. (Indeed, there have been national scandals under President Obama that have received less intense national coverage.)

      Feeding-frenzy defenders insist the closure of lanes on the George Washington Bridge is special because innocent constituents were deliberately inconvenienced for partisan purposes. That’s surely what makes this scandalous, but it hardly makes it unique. The Obama administration employed similar tactics during the sequester and the government shutdown. Closing the open-air World War II Memorial, furloughing air-traffic controllers, and other efforts were deliberate attempts to maximize the pain of innocents for political benefit. The tactic worked, but that’s not a justification for it, is it?

      • http://www.openeyesvideo.com/ Glenn C. Koenig

        And all those voters throughout history who turned out to be names taken from gravestones. Yes, both parties are guilty of this kind of thing. Negative campaigns that actually discourage people from voting? Don’t get me started!

      • hennorama

        OPC — the best you can offer is “The other guys did it too”?

        • OnPointComments

          I’m just highlighting the hypocrisy of those who are so, so concerned that a bridge was closed.

          • hennorama

            OPC — uh huh.

            So your point is also that Bridghazi is only about “a bridge [that] was closed,” then?

  • http://www.openeyesvideo.com/ Glenn C. Koenig

    Look, antics like this happen all the time. We just happened to find out about this one. Think of all those that we never find out about! Look at A-Rod and the doping scandal in baseball. The guy feeding him the drugs says most of them are doing it, and the only way to have a fair chance in the game is to do it yourself, also. Not the world I want to play in! Well, I can just fail to buy baseball tickets and shut off the game on TV. But government is not optional, at least at the moment.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    When I saw the topic my first first reaction was here we go again with unbalanced media coverage simply because Christie is a real threat to Hillary.

    However, after listening to the last 20 minutes this show was quite entertaining. It was laugh out loud hilarious.

    • Ms. Spider

      Teapartiers are often unintentionally hilarious.

      • Labropotes

        So are we all.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      I think your bravado is telling. Christie has about as much chance of winning the Republican primary as a snowflake in the Sahara; let alone beat Hillary Clinton.

      • HonestDebate1

        For all we know now 2016 could be Donald Trump Vs. Dennis Kucinich with Ted Cruz running on a third party ticket.

        • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

          Really, is Donald Trump is the most likely GOP candidate to make it to the general election? What about Jeb Bush or Rand Paul?

          • HonestDebate1

            My point is no one is ‘likely” at this time.

    • OnPointComments

      CHRISTIE, HILLARY, AND OBAMA
      http://www.humanevents.com/2014/01/15/christie-hillary-and-obama/

      Excerpt:
      Chris Christie’s press conference showed that, unlike Barack Obama, Christie did not duck the media or sidestep questions. Nor did he resort to euphemisms or cry out, like Hillary Clinton, “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

      More important, Governor Christie quickly fired the people he held responsible for deliberately creating a traffic jam on the George Washington Bridge. Contrast that with the many scandals in Washington for which President Obama has not fired anyone.

      Nevertheless, media coverage of the traffic jam in New Jersey was several times as extensive as any — or all — of these far more consequential scandals in Washington. Moreover, many of these media reactions simply assumed that Governor Christie must have known about the traffic jam on the George Washington Bridge.

      It is not that the media consider traffic jams more important than human lives. But the fact that Christie is the current frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016 — and is ahead of Hillary Clinton in the polls — makes him a target for a partisan media.

      • 1Brett1

        Let’s see…um, Christie’s “mistakes were clearly made” doesn’t qualify in the “euphemisms/cry out” category?

  • http://www.openeyesvideo.com/ Glenn C. Koenig

    When Steve says we have to get back to the constitution, (where government’s only job is to protect our rights), I can rest easy because I am convinced that anyone from his neck of the woods will never win (president, congressional majority, etc.).
    Look, the constitution has been stretched by modern forces to the breaking point! But even that isn’t the real story.
    The future is this: progressive social causes are winning and unstoppable. On the other hand, big government is on the way out. Don’t worry. So is big business on the way out. In fact, big anything is on the way out.
    We’re going from a hierarchical sexist world (man at the top wields excess power) to a networked world with better respect for individual differences. Just watch. This is what’s happening. No, it’s not amoral, there are strong morals evolving with it. TEA party folks are freaked out by the loss of old world ways. I just wish they could see how good the new one is becoming.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Sorry to burst your fantasy but there are 17.3 trillion reasons why you are wrong.

      Unfunded ‘entitlement’ liabilities are north of $100T. Another hard measure of lies and false promises by politicians.

      http://usdebtclock.org/

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Good Lord, the arguing over who is more hypocritical, which scandal is worse, what does deceit matter, etc etc etc…..

    Either we stand up against non-transparacy and political abuse of power, or we don’t. And then we live with the consequences. Picking and choosing based on your partisan affiliation is a fools game in the long run for the country,

    Christie? Gotta go when done.
    Clinton? Gotta go when done.
    Obama? Gotta go when done.
    Lerner? Gotta go when done if not sooner.
    Bush? Had to go.
    Summers, Rubin, Geithner etc? Had to go, didn’t go soon enough.
    Clapper? Has to go. To jail.
    etc, etc…..

    A bit of prosecution of lying under oath might go a long way.

    Sound too idealistic? What else are we going to do, or insist on?

  • OnPointComments

    From Cal Thomas.

    A POLITICAL BRIDGE TOO FAR
    http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2014/01/15/a-political-bridge-too-far-n1778523/page/full

    Excerpt:

    A multiple choice question: Select the scandal(s) that affects the most people and has long-term implications for the country…

    A) The closing of traffic lanes in Ft. Lee, N.J.
    B) The role of the president and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton when the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, Libya, was attacked on September 11, 2012, killing Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans and the lies and possible cover-up about al-Qaida’s involvement.
    C) The IRS’ refusal to grant nonprofit status to numerous conservative groups during the 2012 election campaign
    D) President Obama’s repeated statements assuring Americans that if they like their insurance plans and doctors they may keep them under the new ACA

    I choose B, C, and D.

    • hennorama

      OPC — single question:

      Which of the above appears to have had an outcome that was intended from the start?

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        A, C, D. If I may interject an answer to your question to OPC.

        But coverups, B, aren’t much prettier than initial intentions.

      • OnPointComments

        In my opinion, all of the above.

        • hennorama

          OPC – a followup question:

          For the B, C and D choices, is there any evidence similar to:

          Bridget Ann Kelly: Time for some traffic problems in Ft. Lee.

          David Wildstein: Got it.

          In other words, is there any evidence of anyone writing/saying anything like:

          Time for some attacks and dead Americans in Benghazi.

          Time to refuse “nonprofit status to numerous conservative groups.”

          Time to mislead people by saying they can keep their health insurance.

          ?

          • OnPointComments

            In my opinion, the reasons are (were):
            A. Political retribution.
            B. The election was less than 2 months away. “Al Qaelda is dead.” The ‘it was a video’ lie was implemented to deflect the truth of an Al Qaeda terrorist attack that the government let happen and did nothing to help the victims.
            C. The targeting suppressed conservative efforts in the campaign. Did President Obama order the suppression? It’s likely more akin to “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest.”
            D. The lies were necessary to pass the law.

          • Salvor Hardin

            Please provide your evidence for saying it was a lie that the video was the motivation for the attack. You and your soul-mate HonestDebate1 have failed to do so to date.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Maybe you missed the news. There was 450 pages of congressional testimony of the military released yesterday that stated the military knew it was a coordinated terrorist attack within 15 minutes of the start of the attack. That information was promptly communicated to the Sec. of Def. and head of the joint chiefs. They also testified that they communicated this to President Obama 90 minutes after the start of the attack during a previously scheduled meeting.

            The other ‘news’ was that the attack could have been avoided.

          • Salvor Hardin

            I am happy that someone at least talked about something that is actually relevant to Benghazi. I saw the report. I have always said that all the reports including the New York Times Benghazi article has stressed that the security was almost non-existent. I have never seen anyone question the fact that the security was inadequate. It was obvious. It didn’t take a 450 page report to tell everyone what they already knew.

            Yes, if they had a security brigade at the consulate and CIA annex it could have been avoided. They were depending on the Libyan militias for security which was a mistake. Our biggest mistake was that we shouldn’t have been in the country in the first place and should have been sitting on the sidelines and letting Gaddafi and the rebels fight it out. While there were some more moderate elements, the militias had a high percentage of militant Jihadists in their ranks.

            You are conflating the poor security situation which everyone should know was inadequate with the motivation of the attackers. I was specifically referring to the reference to the “video lie”. The video WAS the motivation for the attacks and the timing of the attacks.

            Here is the AP story about the Benghazi attack:

            http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-witnesses-recount-organized-benghazi-attack

            There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam’s Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.

            One of the consulate’s private Libyan guards said masked militants grabbed him and beat him, one of them calling him “an infidel protecting infidels who insulted the prophet.”

            The witness accounts gathered by The Associated Press give a from-the-ground perspective for the sharply partisan debate in the U.S. over the attack that left U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead. They corroborate the conclusion largely reached by American officials that it was a planned militant assault. But they also suggest the militants may have used the film controversy as a cover for the attack.

            The AP story agrees with David Kirkpatrick’s New York Time’s Benghazi article.

            So I have no problem with talking about the abysmal security. It was a screw up like many screw ups in current and prior administrations. I don’t agree that this particular screw up deserves all of the attention it is getting. But always happy to hear that the government is spending it’s time so wisely stating the obvious.

          • hennorama

            WftC — please point out exactly which parts of the “450 pages of congressional testimony of the military released yesterday,” that support your statements:

            “stated the military knew it was a coordinated terrorist attack within 15 minutes”

            “That information [that 'the military knew it was a coordinated terrorist attack'] was promptly communicated to the Sec. of Def. and head of the joint chiefs”

            “they communicated this [that 'the military knew it was a coordinated terrorist attack'] to President Obama 90 minutes after the start of the attack”

            “that the attack could have been avoided.”

            Please cite the specific pages and passages.

            Just to give you a heads up, the phrase “coordinated terrorist attack” does not appear anywhere in the newly unclassified testimony.

            Also note the following testimony:

            From Part 3, page 56:

            “Mr. Wittman: Do you feel that your concerns were actioned upon in the proper way, maybe in a sense to where it could have prevented the incident there on September 11th?

            General Ham: I don’t know that I would go so far as to say that it would have prevented the attacks that occurred on September 11th, sir.”

            See:
            http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=AAEBCAA5-4C8F-4820-BACD-2DB9B53C3424

            And from Part 6 of the documents, pages 34 and 55:

            “General Dempsey: Yes, by the way I do want to make sure I don’t suggest we could ever entirely prevent this.”

            AND

            “But I want to make it clear, finally, and again, that we can’t prevent this from occurring.”

            See:
            http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=C628BC78-60B3-4E44-B6BC-D4A0920E57E5

          • hennorama

            OPC — TY for sharing your opinions.

            Now, if it’s not too much trouble, please answer the question that was posed.

          • OnPointComments

            I do not know if there are statement similarities between the Obama scandals and the Christie scandal.

          • hennorama

            OPC — thank you for your response.

            In all of your apparently extensive reading about the topics of B, C, and D in your original post, has any such similarity ever been mentioned?

          • OnPointComments

            Seeing as the George Washington Bridge incident was exposed in full last week, and my apparently extensive reading has occurred throughout the Obama presidency, the journalists would have had to have been prescient to have mentioned the GWB incident in their articles.

    • Salvor Hardin

      Why do you even bother mentioning the Christie story in the first place? We know all you really care about is IRS/Benghazi/Obamacare.

      The answer to all political questions (and really all questions in life) should be IRS/Benghazi/Obamacare. All right thinking people should know this. If that isn’t all that concerns you in life then you are just part of perpetuating the conspiracy and lies.

      So in the future you can just say IRS/Benghazi/Obamacare and we can save a lot of time.

      • JGC

        Don’t forget “Fast and Furious”.

        • Salvor Hardin

          Thank you for posting the last piece to the meaning of life that I had failed to mention. That does give the proper foundation for the axis of the Universe.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    What a breath of fresh air, arguing about which is more noble:

    Jersey-style politics or Chicago-style politics?

    My only hope is voters, citizens, wake up and reject it all, soon.

    • Ms. Spider

      For what? Texas-style politics? Kentucky-style politics?

      Remove the log in your own eye …

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        So your partisan loyalty/hatred has you defending Chicago and Jersey style politics now? Logs in eye? Two wrongs make a right? What is your point?

    • JGC

      At first I thought you were crassly steriotyping New Jersey and Chicago, but now I see that the federal prosecutor from the Rod Blagojevich trial has just been appointed to look into the Christie administration matter.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    For fun, political leanings quiz:

    http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#

    I got slightly left libertarian.

    • JGC

      centrist with a dollop of liberal and statist.

  • JGC

    A sample of some of the comments from people stuck in the harrowing Christie bridge traffic disaster:

    “I felt endangered and beseiged.”

    “It was Kafkaesque.”

    “A free-for-all.”

    “They are playing God with people’s lives.”

    “Could someone get out of the car and check up on Seamus up there in the crate? It’s been four hours and he might need to take a leak.”

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Users of the GWB are pissed about the traffic before the political story. And they pay $13 per day for the privilege.

      ” It’s estimated drivers spend an average of six days stalled in traffic per year on that roadway.”

      http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/george-washington-bridge-can-be-motorists-nightmare-2D11886118

      • JGC

        If the traffic is the main topic over the politics behind it, that can be the only possible explanation for why Christie’s poll numbers are still above 50%.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Above 50% in NJ? Didn’t he just win a big election and then take swift action. Perhaps that mitigates the reaction.

          Hey, did you find any quotes of folks pissed when they were inconvenienced when Clinton held up traffic because he decided to get a haircut in Airforce One on the tarmac in LA and they shut down 2 runways?

          • JGC

            No, because in fact there were none. Back in 1993, Newsday mad a FOIA request on FAA records from that day, and there were no unusual delays, no runways shut down, no nothing. Time printed a retraction on the story, but too late: the story took on a life of its own, with Republican congressmen saying things like, “Clinton should be concerned with trimming the budget instead of trimming his hair.”

            Anyway, true or not, that was nothing to match the outrage caused by the 100 horse-and-buggy pile-up after Lincoln suddenly stopped on Pennsylvania Avenue to have his beard trimmed.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Tom Friedman *NYTimes” quoted the AP quoting FAA officials at the time:

            “Federal Aviation Administration spokesmen were quoted by The Associated Press as saying that while Air Force One sat on the runway on an indefinite haircut hold, two of the airport`s four runways were shut down and some commuter flights scheduled to land were forced to circle instead.”

            But feel free to believe the revisionists.

            http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1993-05-21/news/9302130020_1_haircut-four-runways-force

          • JGC

            Somewhat mis-spoke: there were two runways diverted for an hour, but there were no air traffic jams, no unusual flight delays except for one air taxi delayed by 17 minutes.

            articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-06-30/news/1993181197_1_air-traffic-air-taxi-passenger-flights

            Anyway, everyone knows Friedman was ticked because Christophe refused to shape his moustache that day at a discount. (On my quest for facts, I saw an article about Rand Paul, that he trims his own hair. Maybe you will want to vote for him in 2016.)

          • hennorama

            JGC — “Rand Paul …trims his own hair.”

            Perhaps, but who trims whatever it is that’s on top of his head?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            OK, the elitist meme will have to do unless you want to get into the cost (and carbon footprint) of letting Air Force One idle for an extra couple of hours.

          • JGC

            Alrighty then.

  • marygrav

    WHERE IS THE SOUND? WHY POST THE SHOW WITHOUT A MEANS OF LISTENING TO IT! FURTHERMORE, WHY HAVE EMBEDDING WHEN YOU USE THE NEW SYSTEM WITHOUT ALLOWING FOR THE OLD–THINGS AND TECHNOLOGY DO NOT CHANGE THAT FAST IN PEOPLES AFFORDABILITY TO PURCHASE NEW WINDOWS AND SUCH.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Lower case was available in the ’70s. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and upgrade.

  • Banzel

    Please reprise the conversation in the context of President Obama’s ongoing issues re: Fast and Furious, IRS Tea Party audits, Benghazi (including today’s bi-partisan Congressional finding that the attacks could have been prevented), Petty over-application of the sequester to otherwise largely untended national parks and retroactively to rural schools.

    Specifically address your comments regarding Gov Christie’s fitness for office and lack of awareness of underlings’ activities in the context of President Obama.

    • JGC

      Fitness for office:

      President Obama is known for his competitive streak in frequent basketball games, and the occasional golf game. His bowling game: not so much. Has delegated Rupert Murdoch to keep an eye on his underlings’ activities.

      Governor (and former high school class president) Christie is known for his “morning workout” and was a self-described “athlete” at his Livingston High School and has no-recollection-none-whatsoever of fellow classmate and former $150K NJ Port Authority Director Wildstein. (Didn’t even sit at the same lunch table, apparently.)

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        “occasional golf game”
        157 rounds (4.5 hours per plus overhead) of golf during his Presidency.
        Sorry but that is an incredible number of rounds in 5 years for anyone with full time employment.

        I wonder if he’s been able to lower his handicap and see a real return on his investment of time.

        • JGC

          You know what they say: All work and no play makes Barack a dull boy.

          Anyway, what about President Eisenhower? Almost 800 rounds of golf in his 8-year presidency. (I liked one quote where Democrats of the time said Eisenhower put in a 36-hole work week.)

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            800 is a lot of golf.
            Did he skip any of his daily security briefings?

          • TFRX

            “Did he?????”

            Nice CavutoMark there. You’re not fooling anyone.

          • JGC

            Nixon kept him in the loop.

        • TFRX

          Wow. This crap again.

        • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

          How many days of vacation did GWB have? I think it is 92 days so far for Obama, and it was 367 days at this point in GWB’s presidency.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Source?
            I’m no Bush fan but he wasn’t ‘vacationing’ in Crawford. It was working White House.

            From Politifact:
            “It’s worth noting that there was a difference in the two presidents’ patterns of vacations. As the USA Today article noted, Obama doesn’t own a vacation home, unlike Bush, who owned his ranch. So while Bush essentially used the ranch as as a working White House, Obama has traveled to a variety of destinations, including his native Hawaii. Because of this, the government may have been able to accrue some per-trip cost savings for Bush by going repeatedly to one location. “

          • HonestDebate1

            What was the carbon footprint for Michelle’s extra few days in Hawaii that necessitated an empty plane from DC to go pick her up?

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            Are you for real?

          • HonestDebate1

            Yes. I’m thinking they need to plant 19 gazillion trees.

          • jefe68

            What about the carbon footprint of all those Fox pundits bloviating on and on… and on.

          • HonestDebate1

            Huh?

        • notme

          About John Boehner? He supposedly plays at 2 times a week on average! 157 rounds in 5 years is nothing. Your math is very lacking!

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    If Christie is Wall Street’s anointed son then Hillary Clinton is the Grand Dame of Wall Street. She was paid $400K by Goldman Sachs for two speaking events shortly after she stepped down from Sec. of State.

    • twenty_niner

      Wall Street is no dummy. They cover their bets and have sock puppets in both parties. The repeal of Glass-Steagall was signed by a Democrat. The LTCM bailout (which laid the groundwork for ’08) occurred under a Democratic administration, and the big bailouts of 08 and 09 were supported by more Democrats than Republicans (which will have laid the groundwork for the collapse of 201X):

      DEMOCRATIC YEAS 172 NAYS 63
      REPUBLICAN YEAS 91 NAYS 108

      http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      I am constantly, but less each day, surprised at the “progressives” blind spot for how much the DNC is in Wall St’s pocket.

      Neither establishment gives a rip about the damage their favors-for-contributions corruption and blind-eye-turning causes the fabric of our Constitutional Democratic Republic.

      Blah Blah Ching Ching Blah Blah Ching Ching, big words Ching Ching, reform, Ching Ching……

      Their is no Rule of Law for the elites of the two party system.

      Lets accept that and move forward accordingly.

      Maybe we could start with realizing the Constitution is not so outdated after all. And to stop trusting social engineers of any stripe and their unaccountable appointees who execute their utopian (Social conservative or Socialist) fantasies.

    • jefe68

      I for one subscribe to the idea that there really is only one party in this country, the business party.
      Witness the secret deal that the Obama administration just cut on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, that’s nothing short of a pro business agenda.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    What about Christie’s using the Sandy cleanup money as a political bludgeon?

    • JGC

      The New Jersey cleanup commercial featuring Christie and his family shortly before the gubernatorial election is skating on the ethical edge, but I wouldn’t have gone after him on this. I think it was essentially approved by the federal government that a certain portion of the Sandy money could be used on tourism promotion.

      There is so much other juicy stuff percolating with the bridge emails, I would have just left the New Jersey state Democrats to do the digging.

      I think the candidate who can best gather up the various factions of the GOP and the independents is our future first Canadian president, Ted Cruz. (But first he will have to sort out that little problem with his mother having to document her residency in the U.S. during the pertinent 10 years that lets Ted claim he is a natural born American.)

      • HonestDebate1

        They should definitely check into it, hopefully there will be just as much scrutiny of what Cuomo spent.

        • JGC

          I looked at the tourism promos for New York, and Cuomo isn’t in them. The “controversy” is, did Christie use federal money in what was possibly partisan election advertising? They shouldn’t go after Christie for this; it can be argued Christie is a positive identifiable face of New Jersey promotion (at least before all this bridge stuff came out), like Giuliani was for New York CIty back in the day.

  • StilllHere

    Over 100,000 dead in Syria, more injured, millions displaced and this is the drivel you’re spending time on. Where’s the line today?

    • Bluejay2fly

      They did plenty of shows on Syria. The majority of people said stay out!

      • StilllHere

        Ok, please send a note to the Syrians that they don’t matter anymore.

        • Bluejay2fly

          I am sure the Syrians could care less about the poverty and suffering in Detroit or Flint.

          • jefe68

            You know what this is, right?
            It’s a complete snow job. This guy is just using the Syrian civil war as an anti Obama meme.

      • Bluejay2fly

        “Beware of foreign entanglements” George Washington. But what did our founding fathers know.

  • JGC

    Little known yet curious fact:

    Wildstein, Christie’s former Director of NJ Port Authority Interstate Projects, also made a habit of “quietly” purchasing internet domain names of Christie’s political rivals, and even those of local reporters. One of the targets (Foye) had no clue that had happened and said he was “very disturbed and bewildered by that revelation”.

    NJ.com also described Wildstein as being given a “$150,020 a year patronage position at the NJPA (which) included no job description”.

    Another good source for Christie/bridgegate fallout is at northjersey.com , the Road Warrior columnist John Cichowski.

    • hennorama

      JGC — the domain name purchases have a ‘dirty tricks’ potential, and that may be simply how they roll in New Jersey politics.

      Still, to an outsider it looks pretty bizarre.

      Thanks for sharing the report, and the sources/links.

      • JGC

        Yeah, I know it is not illegal to do this, but it is still creepy. And really, if these people were a bit smarter, this is the sort of thing that should have been done by an arm’s length Christie PAC, instead of by a Christie appointee on the NJ taxpayers’ pay roll. See what happens when you have no job description: you make your own job.

        This Wildstein guy really does strike me as the Chuck Colson dirty tricks figure in the Christie administration, including how he made a point of being at the Fort Lee interchange early the first morning of the lane obstruction, to gleefully watch the mayhem unfold: Mission accomplished!

        • hennorama

          JGC — if David Wildstein turns out to be a political operative, you’d think he would have learned the lessons from the past, and to keep his name out of these affairs.

          I mean, it’s not exactly difficult to determine the owner of a domain name, and the registration can reveal significant details.

          For example, one can easily find out the address Mr. Wildstein used to register davidwildstein.com, which may be his actual address in NJ.

    • HonestDebate1

      What does having a nasty right-hand man say about the left?

      Revenge was heavy in the air as the group discussed the enemies – Democrats, Republicans, members of the press – who wronged them during the 1992 campaign. Clifford Jackson, the ex-friend of the President and peddler of the Clinton draft-dodging stories, was high on the list. So was William Donald Schaefer, then the Governor of Maryland and a Democrat who endorsed George Bush. Nathan Landow, the fund-raiser who backed the candidacy of Paul Tsongas, made it, too. Suddenly Emanuel grabbed his steak knife and, as those who were there remember it, shouted out the name of another enemy, lifted the knife, then brought it down with full force into the table. ”Dead!” he screamed. The group immediately joined in the cathartic release: ”Nat Landow! Dead! Cliff Jackson! Dead! Bill Schaefer! Dead!”

      http://gawker.com/5077567/obamas-knife+wielding-political-killer

      • JGC

        I don’t think Rahm has ever done (or been caught) doing anything illegal, so my thinking from that story is he was just blowing off some steam after a very long campaign. I am guessing that the extent of any revenge against Schaefer, Landow, Jackson, etc.was that Rahm just never returned their phonecalls.

        • HonestDebate1

          I don’t think it’s legal to send a stinky rotting fish in the mail. My point is merely that he’s a nasty vindictive man and what it says about Obama’s tactics. It seems people are judging Christie in that context.

          • JGC

            Rahm is a smart guy (unlike, apparently, the operatives around Christie); maybe he sent the dead fish by Purolator instead of by the U.S. mail.

            That particular incident was directed at a pollster he had hired, who totally screwed up the polling numbers in a close race where their candidate lost. It is such a cliché -the dead fish- it was both a message as well as a joke.

            On the other hand, I’m pretty sure there were very few citizens laughing when they were stuck on the Fort Lee bridge access lane and side streets for three or four hours a day, for five days in a row (except for that person in the emails who asked if he should be smiling at all the chaos they wrought), being late to their jobs and missing their appointments, screwing up the access for the firefighters and EMTs. This must be the most knuckle-headed political payback stunt in American history, one of the reasons being no one can figure out who the target was supposed to be. Wildstein sent a big, stinking dead fish to all the people of northern New Jersey.

            The one good thing that could come out of this is if there really was a reform of the Port Authority, and sweep out a lot of these no-nothing patronage jobs, and hire only people who have a background in urban transportation and infrastructure engineering, and the like.(But that’s not going to happen..)

          • jefe68

            Oh dear, politics is a dirty game filled with ambitious type “A” people. Who knew?

    • hennorama

      JGC — out of curiosity, I went to davidwildstein.com, which for some reason redirects to the NY Yankees website.

      A search soon uncovered a story listing over 50 domain names Mr. Wildstein has reportedly purchased:

      http://www.wnyc.org/story/these-are-domain-names-purchased-former-port-authority-executive/

      • JGC

        Yes, I was just checking that out also. I read somewhere that Wildstein was a statistician for the high school baseball team where Christie played as catcher. So he is a big baseball fan. Have to imagine the Yankees are not thrilled at the moment to be associated with his name.

      • brettearle
        • hennorama

          brettearle — Foster Brooks is perhaps the best pretend drunk ever on screen. That clip is such a time capsule, from an era when it was cool to smoke and drink on TV, and “getting high” had a different connotation.

          Thanks for sharing.

  • nj_v2

    Comic relief:

    Springsteen, Fallon take on Christie, GWB scandal in reworked ‘Born to Run’ [video]

    http://www.northjersey.com/arts_entertainment/Springsteen_and_Fallon_take_on_Christie_and_GWB_scandol_in_a_reworked_Born_to_Run.html

  • OnPointComments

    Let’s compare and contrast the On Point synopses of the shows on Benghazi and Bridgegate:

    The first show solely about Benghazi:

    U.S. Ambassador Killed In Libya
    Thursday, September 13, 2012 | 10:00 am
    From the reading list:
    “An armed mob attacked and set fire to the building in a protest against an amateur film deemed offensive to Islam’s Prophet”
    “an armed mob angry over a short American-madevideo mocking Islam’s founding prophet”

    Uh huh, it was all about a video.

    The last show solely about Benghazi:

    Understanding The Latest Round Of Benghazi Hearings
    Thursday, May 9, 2013 | 10:00 am
    “Benghazi, again. New hearings this week on the attacks and the aftermath. We look at the facts and factionalism.”

    Can’t you just hear the exasperation in Tom’s voice?

    This show:

    Chris Christie’s Future With The G.O.P.
    Wednesday, January 15, 2014 | 10:00 am
    “The fate of Chris Christie in the shadow of “Bridgegate.”
    “New Jersey’s big governor Chris Christie looked a little smaller at the podium yesterday…Is he done? “

    One scandal and he may be done. Oh, and never, never miss an opportunity for a fat joke.

    • Salvor Hardin

      Yes, the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was all about the video and Islamist religious ideology of Libyan militants!!

      • OnPointComments

        To illustrate a point: when it comes to most of the press in general and to liberals specifically (but I repeat myself), it isn’t the nature of the the George Washington Bridge incident that they think warrants obsessive coverage, it’s that it harms a potential presidential candidate that might challenge their choice for president, Hillary Clinton or whoever ends up being the Democratic nominee.

        Was Christie lying when he said he didn’t know? Why would most of the media even ask the question when they have shown little interest in the proven outright lies of the Obama administration?

        • Salvor Hardin

          I think it is certainly warranted to investigate Chrisie with the type action that was committed by his staff. And since he is going to be subject to much greater scrutiny now because of this they are going to be looking at him much closer. As long as they don’t find anything directly linking him to the Bridge Lane closure then the press coverage will greatly diminish (as it already has). It is up to individuals to decide if Christie himself fostered an atmosphere among his staff where they thought this would be acceptable.

          But this is not a manufactured incident. This was a well documented actual payback by his staff for political purposes affecting hundreds of thousands. There is no ambiguity here, no mistaken judgment. This was outright destructive vindictiveness. There is no way an action like this by a politicians staff wouldn’t taint him.

          You say the media and liberals are pursuing this is because they want to hurt a Republican presidential candidate. The reason that this theory is all wet is that before this incident Christie consistently received glowing news coverage among the media. In fact the primary negative coverage I saw of Christie was from Tea Party Republicans that thought he was too cozy with Obama or too moderate and willing to compromise. If this crazy media conspiracy theory of yours were true, why did they wait till now to pounce? Why did they provide this great enemy of their hero Hillary Clinton with such great press coverage?

          Even now you are greatly exaggerating the negativity of the coverage. It hardly seems like he is getting hammered. Certainly his negative coverage isn’t anywhere close to Anthony Weiner’s negative coverage.

          As far as lying goes my opinion is that the extreme partisans do the most lying. When there is a Republican president the Democrats do the most lying. candidate Obama was horrible in 2008 – he blamed President Bush for our bad relations with both Iran and North Korea. He claimed that he would do better. When he got to office he found out that Iran and North Korea actually are the problem. When you have to be responsible you can’t just blindly criticize – you find that even as president you don’t have the power to control much of what goes on in the United States and especially not what happens in the world. People blame the president for things that he has absolutely no ability to control – the monthly blame game for unemployment for example. The president has zero control over the unemployment rate.

          Now that Obama and the Democrats are in charge it is the extreme partisan Republicans that now do the most lying. They ignore facts that don’t meet with standard party dogma, they attribute every problem with malice, every mistake must be relived over and over. If we had the same partisan rhetoric back during the important 9/11 (2001) that we do now then we would still be having investigations of what the mistakes and lies that Bush had done. Every article would be talking about the criminal George Bush and he should be prosecuted. Well we do have people that still believe this – they are the 9/11 Truthers who believe that the Government staged the whole 9/11 attack.

          Well the 911 Truthers are mostly just nuts or just plain ignorant, but now with the current abysmal state of the Republican party, we have millions of Benghazi Truthers with the same mindset. Unwilling to accept any fact that doesn’t meet their partisan narrative. They know with “certainty”, “certainty” (to quote one of my favorites HonestDebate1) that they lied strictly to gain an advantage during the election against the poor helpless Republicans.

          It seems to me that those most obsessed with truth here seem to be the least truthful themselves. Unwilling to objectively look at their positions and face the facts that they might be wrong about some things.

          So that is my feeling about lies and liars in general.

      • jefe68

        The right wingers how post here have to mention Banghazi at least three times a day or they lose their membership to the Mickey Mouse Club.

  • ranndino

    1. I find that Christie not knowing about anything is simply implausible despite Christie being my favorite Republican. There were allegations of this type of conduct flying around before including specific allegations about this bridge. How hard was it to do an internal investigation and discover the same emails and texts that are now public?

    2. The right wingers on the show made me feel great. Their delusional belief that running a right wing nut, as opposed to a moderate, in the national election is what’s gonna result in a Republican president means that there won’t be a Republican president for a foreseeable future. The progressives don’t need to do anything. Just stand back and let people like that push all the self destruct buttons they want.

  • TJPhoto40

    I think the discussion would have benefitted from having one or two guests who are more moderate instead of the far right Republicans who give us very little rational input. I’m so tired of hearing how we have to take back our “God given rights” and ignorant references to the founding fathers and what they supposedly stood for. These are the same fools who did the disgraceful swift boat ad campaign? The same people who also appear outside my local post office with a rickety card table holding a likeness of Obama with a Hitler mustache painted on. And they claim that most Republicans they know don’t care about bipartisan action, despite polls showing most Americans including a majority of Republicans favor more bipartisan action on a range of issues from increasing the minimum wage to stronger background checks for gun purchases.

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