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Women, The Workplace, And ‘Second Generation’ Gender Bias

They call it “Second Generation” gender bias.  We look at women and the workplace now.

This April 16, 2013 photo provided by Wix Lounge shows group facilitator Franne McNeal, right, standing, and organizer Mary Dove, standing left, addressing women at a "Lean In" meeting in New York. The group is inspired by Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg's book "Lean In" which seeks to empower women in the workplace. (AP Photo/Wix Lounge, Galo Delgado)

This April 16, 2013 photo provided by Wix Lounge shows group facilitator Franne McNeal, right, standing, and organizer Mary Dove, standing left, addressing women at a “Lean In” meeting in New York. The group is inspired by Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg’s book “Lean In” which seeks to empower women in the workplace. (AP Photo/Wix Lounge, Galo Delgado)

American women have come on strong all over the place.  But at the tip-top of the corporate workplace world, the Fortune 500, it’s still just 4.2 percent female CEOs.  And that under-representation at the top gets echoed all over the workplace world.

Why is that?  The answer is complicated.  But one piece of it is now being called “second generation” gender bias.  Subtle and not-so-subtle dynamics at work that push women away from the corner office.  How’s it work?  We’ll ask.

This hour, On Point:  second generation gender bias and women in the American work-place.

- Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Deborah Kolb, professor emerita at the School of Management for Simmons College, where she focuses on gender issues in negotiation and leadership. Her latest piece (co-authored with Herminia Ibarra and Robin Ely) is: “Women Rising: The Unseen Barriers, out this month in Harvard Business Review.

Cheryl Francis, co-founder and co-chairwoman of Corporate Leadership Center. She is a director of three corporate boards: Aon Corporation, Morningstar, and HNI Corporation.

Amy Anuk, senior vice president of business development at Encore Capital Group in San Diego, California.

From Tom’s Reading List

Harvard Business Review: Women Rising: The Unseen Barrier – “A significant body of research[...] shows that for women, the subtle gender bias that persists in organizations and in society disrupts the learning cycle at the heart of becoming a leader. This research also points to some steps that companies can take in order to rectify the situation. It’s not enough to identify and instill the “right” skills and competencies as if in a social vacuum. The context must support a woman’s motivation to lead and also increase the likelihood that others will recognize and encourage her efforts—even when she doesn’t look or behave like the current generation of senior executives.”

Los Angeles Times: 15% of women report experiencing workplace bias in Gallup poll – “Fifteen percent of American women believe they have been passed over for a promotion or some other opportunity at work because of their gender, new polling from Gallup shows. Gallup also found that 13% thought they were denied a raise at some point because they were women.”

Forbes: Female Leaders, 3 Strategies For Success In The Workplace – “Women who wield power and act assertively often experience backlash that can hurt their rise to the top. When working to incorporate the necessary masculine behaviors, such as being assertive, into their leadership styles to achieve their career goals, female leaders often encounter two distinct prejudices:  (1) women are perceived as poorer leaders relative to men and (2) women who overtly demonstrate their competence in this masculine domain incur social punishment.”

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  • Mike_Card

    I have daughters, so I’m not insensitive to this. But why do females still think–after more than a generation of legislated privilege–they’re being handicapped? How many more handicap strokes do women think they need, to ‘level the playing field?’

    • Elizabeth_Ingenthron

      It takes a while to undo centuries of patriarchy.

      • d clark

        Whine and snivel. The women in this country are exceeding men in every importatnt matrix. The only ones not benefiting from feminism are men.

    • Jeannie Gagne

      It’s simply a fact that we live. It’s not about thinking it is so… it’s raw experience, every day. The culture is male-based, still, even though women are much more involved than in the past.

  • Markus6

    The problem with much of the data in this area is it’s self reported. And it’s human nature to think that you’re persecuted when you’re stopped from getting what you want or think you deserve.

    I’m sure there is gender bias in some organizations. That’s not the issue because there’s bias against men in some areas, whites and blacks, different ages, and so on. And I’m not saying it’s all equal – it’s much more complicated than that. Three companies I’ve been at hired women in senior positions who lacked even basic competency for the job, because they needed greater diversity. Two had to be fired which is another story as the only ones that are easy to fire are pale males. However, I’ve also seen the opposite – guys picking guys for promotion cause they’re guys.

    I don’t know who has it worse and under what circumstances. But I hope there’s more to this show than self reported data and people calling in with their side of a story (nothing wrong with one-sided anecdotes as long as you realize you’re getting just one side).

  • John Cedar

    My business partner and I both worked in separate fortune 500 companies in the 90′s and due to bias toward women we left and started our own company. Specifically, the bias had to do with less qualified and less talented women getting promoted instead of ourselves.

    Men and women are very different from each other. If you don’t have bias toward them, then you exist in a fantasy world. There are many jobs where it is a valuable benefit to have an employee who is on average, bigger, stronger, taller, even if that is a very small part of the job. In fact, height bias and “attractiveness” bias is far more likely to hold people back than any other victim group one might belong to. (unless you happen to be a white male in a fortune 500 company in the 90′s, in which case you skin color and gender would be your career death sentence.)

    • 65noname

      of course when women claim that they aren’t being promoted because of gender bias it’s incompetent women blaming their employers for not prmoting them. When men claim that they are being denied promotions for gender reasons, they are victims.
      Of course there is the possibilty that cedar is simply a extreme satrist and s auditioning to be a writer for “saturday night live”

      • John Cedar

        SNL? I’m way funnier than those guys.

        You really hit me below the belt with that one.

        Who said victim? They did me a favor and motivated me to launch my bazillion dollar career.

        I’m much too humble to speak candidly about my brilliant credentials and uncanny business acumen, for fear of sounding braggadocios. But I will tell you my business partner was recruited his senior year and paid full salary by his fortune 500 employer, to earn his masters with a 4.0 GPA from an ivy league university. And each year therafter he received glowing employee appraisals but was never even interviewed when he applied for promotions. Meanwhile his company increased their percentage of female managers from a dismal number to a number they brag about.

        • 65noname

          so your friend was given every opportunity and every advantage to make it with that company. Then when he coulodn’t hack it, you guys now blame “affirmative action”. It must be nice to allows have a self-serving excuse for his failures despite being given every opportunity to succeed.

    • keltcrusader

      Translation: some mere girl got a promotion over me and was my boss and I couldn’t handle it so I go around telling people those girls weren’t qualified to make myself feel better.

    • JobExperience

      He’s too pretty and hypermasculine.
      Too sexy for his shirt.

    • andic_epipedon

      I cannot relate at all with your first paragraph. I started my career in 2000. I didn’t see that in the Fortune 500 company I worked for at the time. In fact I saw just the opposite. I saw a strong old boys network staying strong. In a video that was distributed to us low ranking staff, the top 500 people in the company were all old white men. I worked for an engineering firm that had branched out into environmental consulting. In our building of over 300 workers there were plenty of rank and file worker bees, but only one line supervisor (out of about a dozen) was a women. There were two highly paid technical staff that were women and one accountant. All other positions above the junior grade were men. In fact we only had one black person working for us. She was a highly paid secretary, but based on her skills she should have been one of the top managers of our building. I left to seek promotion working with the feds.

  • Leonard Bast

    I wondered this too. If 15 percent of those polled thought they had experienced gender bias, then does it mean that 85 percent of those polled did not feel they had experienced it? If so, this is incredibly good news for women. Though no one should experience bias, this seems like a fairly good situation and a great improvement over where we were forty years ago. I imagine if 85 percent of African-Americans reported that they did not experience racial prejudice or 85 percent of GLBT persons reported that they had full equality under the law in the states where they reside, we would be jumping for joy.

    • Markus6

      I had the same thought. There has to be something wrong with this stat as it’s hard to believe only 15% reported gender bias, especially if it was over their entire life. Either there’s something wrong with the stat or my theory that people like to think they’re persecuted is bunk.

  • http://www.CayerComputing.com/ Melissa A. Cayer

    I just finished reading The Caine Mutiny. Of course, we have never seen something like a red stain incident for women because there has never been a government subsidized hierarchy on that scale for women.

  • John Cedar

    Two traditional jobs for women are school teacher and nurse. But with all the bazillions of dollars that go into those sectors, the unions just cannot seem to get their “fair share”. So a cop, fireman earns more than a nurse or a teacher. But no one ever talks about holding police accountable for crime statistics like they do with the school system. Women and the unions they dominate are their own worst enemy.
    There is a war on wymin and it is being fought amongst themselves.
    Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

    • JobExperience

      The USA does not pay teachers well. Nurses are being stressed out by too many patients and long shifts. John is routinely antagonistic to labor. He is correct though that good old boys like him have the ultimate union made of greed and collusion.

      • John Cedar

        All I was suggesting, is that if nurses and teachers weren’t such Scabs, and actually stuck together to get their monies worth for all their votes they sell to the democrats, then they could be pulling down some big bucks. Considering all the money that disappears into those black hole economic sectors, they really don’t get their share. I guess if we throw them a bone of no co-pay birth control then we can pay them thousands less than we pay cops, with much longer distance to the retirement finish line, and they will be happy.

  • Gaius Cassius

    Another show by On Point around gender related issues with no male guests to offer a possibly different perspective. How come On Point you don’t involve male voices in these kinds of topics. When one considers the full range of data the very question of gender bias seems up for grabs to me.

  • J__o__h__n

    I don’t care about the problems of CEOs and Board members whatever their gender and I suspect that most women don’t either.

    • geraldfnord

      Well, fixing the problem at the top alone is much easier and can save you the effort of fixing things for others…not least because in a nominal meritocracy no-one—-or a relative few—begrudge the supposèd best’s doing well..

      • J__o__h__n

        I don’t begrudge them, I just don’t think their problems are something the rest of us should worry about. I haven’t noticed much of a trickledown from male CEOs and don’t think women will.

        • JobExperience

          A 90% tax rate for million-earners would be a good thing for all.

  • adks12020

    I’m not going to say there is no gender bias or discrimination; there is. For example, women still earn less than men for the same positions. However, I’m a man and I don’t want to be in the “corner office”. I know plenty of men just like me. I’m sure there are plenty of women that feel the same way. I think it’s important to recognize that there are lots of people with no desire to be a CEO or any other executive level position because we prefer to enjoy life rather than to have work be our lives. I think it would be a good idea to determine what percentage of women and men want those jobs and then work the numbers from there.

  • nj_v2

    The program is supposed to be about women in “the workplace,” but why has the emphasis (so far) been on the tiny number of people in upper-echelon management?

  • Coastghost

    Feminism’s perennial appeal: can we convince enough heterosexual men to become passive alpha males (the feminist masculine ideal)?

  • J__o__h__n

    Nice people of either gender tend not to get the corner office.

    • Tracheal

      It’s either S-E-X. ‘Gender’ is simply the term feminist Gender Bigots us to conflate the two terms and thereby rape reason so as to spread their stupid social constructionist propaganda. Time to call ‘sex’ sex and ‘gender’ gender with clean distinctions between the terms.

  • Coastghost

    “Feminism: the fetish of phallic individualism with which women seduce themselves.”

    • AC

      feminism: feeding myself, thank you. men had millenia to get it right – where they’re still ‘in charge’ you see child brides, abuse, homeless widows….no thanks. i’ll rely on me

      • keltcrusader

        ditto!

      • JobExperience

        Good, finally a strong opinion from AC.

      • Bill98

        Wow, so there is some Nirvana out there where there is no abuse, homelessness, or other such tragedies? If so, I’d really like to know where that is.

        When it comes to many of the issues that you mention, I think that you have the cause and effect reversed. An unstable, dangerous society is not made so because men, in general, are in charge. Rather, certain men are in charge because the society is a mess. Not just any men, but strong, ruthless men (and a few women). The type who will thrive in such circumstances. All others, both men and women, are victims of one type or another.

        • AC

          i tried to reply but it disappeared so sorry if this is twice:
          i don’t disagree with this, but i am not willing to go backwards, i am responsible for myself and my actions.
          at the same time, it is the men in charge ALLOWING the religious fervor of their usually less educated populace to dominate. the men in charge may keep a veneer, but not in the countryside. those men don’t have to hit their wives, or scar them when they want new ones. they don’t want the financial burden of taking care of relatives who have no husband anymore. it’s ugly. how can you pass your own mother as she’s starving in the street? but that’s not just men, their own daughters try not to look.
          i have been everywhere and this seems, to me, the base problem…

          • Coastghost

            If only women raised us better . . . .

  • J__o__h__n

    Everyone gets mixed messages in their corporate feedback.

  • Adena Harford

    Perhaps this brings another angle on this topic: but I agree that things are changing…and need to change, because this masculine organization of the system just doesn’t seem to work for any body. When I say work, I mean the life/work balance for men and women alike. A more feminine system would be less rigid, more open to a new structure…a structure that is more flexible to employees/clients current needs. I am not sure if ‘productivity’ would lessen, or actually improve when everyone involved is less stressed and perhaps happier…

  • Kyerion Printup

    This hyper-visual role. This totally applies to minorities in general. These groups get grade on a different scale, one that’s less “forgiving” than the majority’s, and always viewed as a risk. Now I work in an institution that’s much more advanced on gender issues, but race issues it has a long way to go. The assessments offered in this show still apply to minorities in many institutions.

  • Coastghost

    Leaders of women merit close observation: newly-enfranchised women a hundred years ago transformed their initial appeal for mere temperance of alcohol consumption into outright prohibition and enforced teetotalism upon the US, including the entire population of returning WWI vets: welcome to our “alcohol-free utopia”!
    Women wielding political power merit much skepticism: they have earned it.

    • Sy2502

      Men in power, on the other hand, have fully earned my skepticism with the terrible job they have already done.

      • Coastghost

        Lest you misconstrue: I don’t subscribe specifically to misogyny, preferring to think instead that my misanthropy is generous and inclusive and gender-neutral.

  • AC

    i’m just tuning in, but this strikes me as odd. i’m doing all i can not to get stuck in a management role, which they keep trying to foist on me. i’d rather just have fun doing research, management & worrying about project budgets is BORING.

  • Mari McAvenia

    The caller who said that men go silent when the topic turns to women in powerful positions has a good point.
    What is in it for men to see women advance up the ladder? There’s no profitable return for the male gender when females are full equals in all matters.

  • GibsonGirl99

    Am I the only one who HEARD the results of ingrained, institutional sexism when that nice journalist said “If I allow my wife to work” while trying to describe her non-discussions with men on FB??

    1. None of this will change until women are viewed, be everyone, as HUMAN BEINGS FIRST and women second.
    2. That will NEVER occur as long as MEN are raised in families and societies wherein male is the default ‘primary’ sex — and men, I am sorry to say, are the ones with the ability to fix this. But, like all who hold unearned power, they will not give it up willingly, and it will have to be wrested from them.
    3. MEN: Grow up. You are NOT more important than women, & yet the casual, unremarked, institutional sexism that pervades the entire globe–it’s your fault.

    • Coastghost

      Matriarchal societies, unite!

  • geraldfnord

    If a group is notably in the minority there is a problem: even if the system involved were completely fair, and talent equitably distributed, if there are many members of a dominant group contending for (say) a promotion and proportionately few from the minority (as would likely be the case were talent equitably distributed)—let’s concretise it and say there were eight people in contention, two of which are in the minority:
    0.) It is three times more likely that a person from the majority group will get the promotion; this makes it easy to see bias against the minority, especially if you;’re in that group and know that discrimination has existed in the past.
    1.) if a member of the minority group is promoted, there are six people from the dominant group who didn’t…among six members of a dominant group, what are the odds that no-one among them will believe that there must have been some sort of unfairness involved—especially if, as usual, the dominant group has in the past had a mythology deprecating the abilities of the minority?

    This is under conditions of absolute _current_ fairness; it’s worse if there is bias either way…and, in fact, even if bias itself were equitably distributed—-unfair each way in equal measure—there are more people in the majority to feel their ox gored….

  • Coastghost

    “Second-generation feminism”: the latest excuse for explaining effete first-generation feminism.

  • Mari McAvenia

    Traditionally, women have supported “their” men in their careers. I have seldom seen men support “their” women in a similar manner.
    My observations are from personal experience. We still have to do all the hard work of being the glue that holds families together. This is harder, everyday, as the pressure to be all things to all people all the time mounts exponentially. There HAS been a cultural revolution, but it has backfired on most women.

    • fun bobby

      you are living in the past. women have lower unemployment. more men are staying at home with the children every day to support their wives in their careers. it has become a popular cultural meme. if one compares the relative employment rates of women and men, women win hands down. it sounds like you personally are overwrought

      http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/07/07/128359804/unemployment-rate-men-vs-women

      • JobExperience

        Are you starving up there in the future, bobby?

        • fun bobby

          no, I married well

  • jsilverhand

    Tom, I need to know these numbers in order to understand the issues. Sure, women are only mid teens in top level – roughly half of mid level, but …
    what percentage of over-all workforce is women vs men?
    And what percentage of all white collar workers is women vs men?

    • fun bobby

      perhaps they should do an article about how men have been left behind in the recovery. on the plus side unemployed men are now free to raise children so we can work to reversing the effects of several generations of children raised by women

  • Scott B

    More women in the boardroom means less chest-thumping by men trying to out-posture each other. Just look at Congress, especially within the Republican party, and the sausage fests they show on the news over women’s issues, from fair pay to, and especially, health, birth control, and reproductive rights.

    • Bill98

      Sure, we’ll have fewer men trying to out-posture each other, but they’ll be replaced by women doing the same. People are people.

  • ThirdWayForward

    Many people go silent when the problems of overpaid CEOs are debated. Yes, all other things being equal, it would be better to have an equal representation of women in the managerial 1%, but perhaps the effort would be better spent on how to reform the hierarchical structure of large corporations. Then virtually everyone would benefit.

    We need a managerial class that resists shipping jobs overseas and degrading the jobs that we have, but is there any evidence that women are more benevolent than men in this regard?

    • dust truck

      no, women are just more honest than men in this regard. Most CEOs are just felons that haven’t been caught yet.

  • John Roberts

    The elephant in the room is maternity leave.
    The much-needed CFO in my wife’s organization became pregnant a month after she earned a full-time contract. With a very liberal maternity package, she proceeded to have 5 children. The new CFO was never at work for more than a few months for almost a decade, and (contractually) couldn’t be replaced.
    How can maternity be accommodated in a way that it doesn’t compromise women’s opportunities in the workplace?
    (BTW: As a result of our careers, my wife & I never had children.)

    • Coastghost

      Just look at NPR’s Rachel Martin: I don’t know how much time she spent in the studio before she had her child last year, but ever since she took on her Weekend slot, her show’s been guest-hosted probably as much or more than Lian Hansen required in her years on the show.
      If women are reluctant to take the demands of maternity and child-rearing seriously, why should the rest of us take their ambitions seriously? (Sure she has a union gig, but don’t take it out on us.)

      • Sy2502

        And what would give you the right and competence to judge whether a woman you don’t even know takes child rearing seriously or not?

        • Coastghost

          But that’s part of the illusion that NPR spins commonly: that we know these trusted anchors and reporters, that we know them and trust them very well, they’re practically friends and neighbors.
          Plus, I pay part of her salary by way of both taxes and corporate sponsorship.

          • Sy2502

            You never “saw” her take child rearing seriously? Are you with her 24 hours a day? Do you follow her around? Your arrogance is pretty astounding.

          • Coastghost

            The native humility modeled by NPR on a daily basis must be rubbing off.

    • andic_epipedon

      Wow. That CFO really took advantage of the situation. It’s unfortunate for two reasons. First of all, I believe that in order to evolve into better companies we need to embrace family/life balance both to achieve a more competitive and flexible company, but also to allow everyone who wants to have children to be able to do so. Secondly, having 5 children is taking advantage of a situation and not creating a proper work/life balance. It also is not sustainable for our planet. As someone with a more socialist bend, I think we should look to northern European countries for solutions.

  • Bigtruck

    Of course the best person for the job should get the job and be payed the same for the same work.
    I think what is being missed in these battles is the war. The fact that business now has two people in a family working full time to support the unit. Children and eventually America will suffer for this.

  • fun bobby

    well said

  • fun bobby

    the hardest thing for many women to learn is how to be a leader without being “a bitch”. for men its different the hardest thing for them to learn is how to be a leader without being “an asshole”.

    • JobExperience

      Many male bosses are bitches.

      • fun bobby

        that’s true too. that’s a whole other show

  • fun bobby

    I would bet one of the reasons for this is that one of the ways one gets to be CEO is by being old. it will take one more generation for the pendulum to swing the other way with all the women who are currently in middle management getting into the highest positions in their companies. it can take 30- 40 years to become a ceo and 30-40 years ago there were far fewer women entering management tracks compared to today. women are completing higher education at much higher rates than men in America. they have a higher rate of employment. they spend 75% of all income. men are the ones who are now and will continue to be marginalized, the current gender distribution if millionaire vulture CEOs notwithstanding.

    • andic_epipedon

      I can see your logic and that may be partially true. However, my rise to the top was cut short by one of these cast iron women mentioned in the piece who had little work/life balance and was more interested in outcomes than quality. She retired shortly after stopping my career within the organization. It appears from the show that this trend is common. I think it will take much longer because of this phenomenon.

      • fun bobby

        yes I have had a terrible female boss do the same to me. women are more apt to engage in relational violence than men.

    • JobExperience

      Two words: age discrimination.

      The way one gets to be an exec is pull, networking collusion, mutual blackmail, nepotism,, bribery and trading sexual favors (etc.). Our corporate system is mafia esque in nature, and the virus has spread to government. Sociopaths succeed best in such organizations. Women tend less to sociopathy than men.

      • fun bobby

        all excellent points

      • Bill98

        Good comment, except the last line. If you are basing that on studies, please cite them. If you are basing it on personal experiences, then I can tell you that mine are not in line with yours. I have found that most men, and most women, are decent, moral people. Those few who aren’t come in both genders.

      • John Cedar

        Apparently you have never observed the sociopathic social warfare that takes place in a typical co-ed 3rd-6th grade classroom.

        If your cynical assessment were valid, then every management position would be dominated by women as a result of their superior networking skills they start honing in grade school.

    • John Cedar

      I have never parsed the datum but in other fora, i have invariably seen it asserted by some, that even when adjustments are made for:
      career hiatus for child rearing and/or birthing,
      and the relative newness of women in non-traditional occupations,
      women’s compensation inequality still very significant.

      • fun bobby

        I am sure if they include ceos compensation that right there would skew it pretty heavily.

  • JobExperience

    Try cup size.

  • Asuka

    Thank you. Where’s the evidence that any of this “trickles down” to changing normal people’s lives — women’s or men’s — for the better?

  • Bill98

    It seems to me that Ms. Kolb mentioned numerous times that many talented men have been left behind, based on the biases in the workplace, just as many women have been. So, why frame this discussion in terms of gender? It seems to me that any re-working of organizational behavior that gets the best from employees will benefit the company, and all employees, women and men alike.
    The focus should not be on making the company work better for women, as this would simply replace today’s set of biases with a new, equally unjust set that happens to favor women. Rather, the focus should be on all employees, and how to best utilize their talents.

    Actually, I think I know why this discussion is framed in gender terms: it’s because, were it not, we would not be talking about it. For certain, On Point would not have done a show on it.

  • Bill98

    Ah yes, another in the never-ending series of shows highlighting On Point’s gender agenda. I suppose I should be grateful that we went over a week without one of these. Maybe we can try for two weeks this time? Yeah, I know, but I can dream, can’t I?

    • Tracheal

      Sad when the news media actively backs obnoxious Gender Bigots isn’t it? What you won’t see from On Point is an ant-feminist or MHRM story. They just can’t bring themselves to deliver objective balance because they are in bed with feminist hate mongers.

  • Sy2502

    I absolutely agree with you. There are many choices in life that require setting priorities. I can’t be an Olympic athlete and also have a full time job. I can’t get married and promise to be faithful to my husband and then go chasing other guys in bars. In all parts of life these choices are understood and accepted. Except career and babies. That’s where, for some reason I never understood, some people feel entitled to have their cake and eat it too. Being a mom is a full time job. Being a CEO is a full time job. There are only 24 hours in a day. One of the 2 jobs has to give.

  • jdetjen

    This is important work for changing the workplace to be fairer
    and enable the best talent. In our
    research, we also found that women are holding themselves back through their internalization
    of biases. That is, they were making career
    limiting decisions based on a belief that they needed to be an unattainable, “ideal
    woman”. Getting more women in power will
    require change in organizations and change in women. It’s both and.

    Jodi Detjen
    co-author, The Orange Line: A Woman’s Guide to Integrating Career, Family, and Life
    Professor of Management, Suffolk University

  • olderworker

    I was only able to listen to part of this discussion, but I was struck by how so much of what was said is pretty old news. For example, the fact that women need to be on management teams because they know what female customers want, or that teams function better when they are more diverse (both gender-wise and ethnicity-wise) was known back in the mid-90′s, when I attended school to earn an MBA.
    My other comment is that at my age now, I wouldn’t want to work 24-7, but when I was younger (late 20′s, early 30′s) I would gladly have done so, had I had a job that demanded it and paid commensurately. But, as a female, I didn’t have that opportunity. I’m not saying it was only because I’m female, but in any case, I’ve never really had any good jobs, and am somewhat bitter about that.

  • olderworker

    Yes, there have been many studies done to show that taller, more attractive men & women are more likely to be hired, more likely to be promoted, etc.

  • Coastghost

    Really interrupts the threads once WBUR/”On Point” censors begin managing discourse: why, an innocuous definition I posted almost twelve hours ago seems to’ve just disappeared.
    So as a public service, I’ll restore it here:
    “Feminism: the fetish of phallic individualism with which women seduce themselves.”
    Hurrah for free speech, especially when we have to pay for it.

  • Coastghost

    Someone seems to’ve deleted one other riposte of mine: a rejoinder to the effect that, if we men are as thoroughly rotten as feminist dogmatists say, we men have in good measure our sorry mothers to thank, for not raising us better.

    • Coastghost

      Ninety-eight apologies to WBUR/”On Point” censors and moderators: it was DISQUS, our reliable third-party friend, that hid my posts at the fold leading to the second page: they’ve been magically restored, hurrah hooray.
      I take opportunity here to say yet again: if NPR News Operations had to rely on software as reliable as what we the public are given to register our views, NPR would not be able to take itself seriously as a news outlet: pity that NPR does not its audience more seriously, even more a pity that NPR takes no note whatsoever of the 270 million Americans who never listen to NPR.

    • Sy2502

      I am happy to blame your mother for what a sorry, bigoted little man you are, who’s so afraid of women that he has a mental breakdown at the thought of a fair confrontation with them on the workplace. So what’s the problem with your mommy? She didn’t hug you enough as a child? And you still haven’t got over it?

      • Coastghost

        For someone ready to castigate me for taking a public personage from NPR to task for her public absences from the show she putatively hosts, you exhibit your own degree of nerve.
        The main problem with my mother is that she’s been dead for years.
        Note, too, that my statement above is entirely conditional: I don’t say that I accept the dogmatic feminist view that men are intrinsically rotten the way so many dogmatic feminists put it: in point of fact I don’t agree with their chauvinist characterization.
        Were my mother yet living, she would doubtless concede that I am not one bit more rotten than she ever thought of being. (My mother was a witch of her own devisement, which had less to do with her sex than with her Scottish descent.)
        Still, I stand by my characterization of dogmatic feminist slurs of masculinity: if we men are so damned rotten, we have damned rotten women to thank in no small measure. (Their logic, such as it is, only merits such extension.)

        • Sy2502

          I find it quite cowardly of you to not take responsibility for your own character flaws and blame them of all people on your mother, who apparently isn’t even among us to defend herself. If this is the “superior sex” I am not impressed. Cowardly, whiny, and afraid.

          • Coastghost

            Character flaws? What character flaws? I have nothing like that to reproach or rebuke my late mother with: believe you me, I would have made no serious attempt in her lifetime to do so, either, and I don’t propose to dishonor her now.
            Do not impute “superior sex” views or attitudes to yours truly, if you please: I don’t hold such views: most men are as reliably slimy as most women.
            As for whining, I’ll let you keep at it.
            Cowardly? Those who know me (you do not) would beg to differ. Even my own mother would commend me, as she often did. (Were my mother to’ve rebuked me on this score, she’d’ve reprimanded me for occasional lack of restraint.)

  • Tracheal

    (1) women are perceived as poorer leaders relative to men and (2) women who overtly demonstrate their competence in this masculine domain incur social punishment.”

    Women ARE poorer leaders relative to men because female biological preferences run counter to (overt) leadership performance. Women should incur social punishment for pretending to be men because women are able to use/abuse their superior inherited sexual power in ways that men cannot. Men always incur social punishment from women and men for pretending to be women…because men are not permitted to use their inferior sexual power to steal status as is the Coddled Sex. It’s way past time for Tom Ashcroft to start tell the truth about sex and gender at work…rather than merely spreading pigheaded PC propaganda from/for mainstream feminist gender bigots. A good place to start would be to demand that women ‘enjoy’ their fair share of jobs below the glass for…where the Death Gap overwhelmingly ‘favors’ the Disposable Sex over the Coddled ‘Gender’.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

      Tracheal, I’m assuming you have some data to back up your assertion that “Women ARE poorer leaders relative to men because female biological preferences run counter to (overt) leadership performance.”

      If not, you should probably keep these kinds of misogynist comments to yourself.

      • Tracheal

        But of course, Brain. For starters, I’ll refer you to Steve Moxon’s The Woman Racket (Sex at Work) for the overview. And as soon as you pledge to stop your slanderous false accusations of misogyny, I’ll even be glad to point you to lots of longitudinal studies too.

        • Sy2502

          No slander there. You ARE a misogynist. And a deeply disturbed one.

          • Tracheal

            Guess that makes you a misandrist and a deeply disturbed one boot too eh?

          • Sy2502

            I have not made a fool of myself in public by going out of my way to belittle women. You have. Because you are afraid.

          • Tracheal

            You have made a fool of yourself in public by falsely accusing me of belittling women just because I chose to hold a tiny minority of women and men (feminist bigots) in contempt. That’s because you are afraid that your favorite Twisted Sisters will lose the ability to silence all other opinions. That is happening and will go on happening until feminist bigots are scorned in the same way the KKK is.

          • Sy2502

            We get it, you are scared. Go seek professional help already.

          • Tracheal

            Irony obviously escapes you but ‘we’ know who is really scared here. You’ve been able to bully the whole world for decades on end thanks to your pigheaded subjugation of the sex and ‘gender’ narrative but that monopoly is breaking down. Already your hysterical hate movement is collapsing in disarray as young women shun the ‘F’ word for very good reasons. Soon you will be getting the professional help you need for projecting your poisonous personal damage on others politically.

          • Sy2502

            Shhh, don’t cry.

          • Tracheal

            Irony again?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

          Other than “slanderous false assusations” being completely redundant, Steve Moxon is a jingoistic hate monger who has publicly defended men convicted of statutory rape on girls as young as 13.

          http://stevemoxon.blogspot.com/

          He, and I suspect you as well, is a misogynist. He hates women. I don’t even mean that as an insult, it’s just a fact. I have a feeling you’ll respond with some trite “men’s rights” qualm about how men are truly the oppressed ones or some other bs, but please try to refrain as most of them are dismissed so easily it’s not worth wasting the kb of space on the site’s server.

          Just post a link to this on your avoiceformen.com forum and you and your women hating brethren can do what old white men tend to do best; get angry.

          • Tracheal

            Brian dear, it’s white knights like you who are the most tedious traitors to your own kind. But your time will come too as soon as you get married to Mary Cleary’s ‘That Bitch’. I’m sure you’ll try to quote mine to slime one of the world’s finest female warriors for male survivors of female domestic violence a misogynist too but in the end the sad truth will come home to you. And if Mary Cleary isn’t enough for you please do try to go head head with Erin Pizzey…who faced death threats from your favorite bigots for daring to diss their hysterical hate movement.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

            Number one, I didn’t have to quote mine to find examples of Steve Moxon’s obvious hatred for women, It was on the front page of his personal blog.

            Number two, traitor to my own kind? Did you overhear that at a Klan rally?

          • Tracheal

            You are probably imagining things about Moxon given how brainwashed by the Gender Bigots you seem to be but just in case I’m wrong why don’t you pull in the basis for Moxon’s ‘obvious hatred for women’ so we can be sure you aren’t just pulling the standard feminist ‘misogyny’ shame game’? And yep, traitor to your own sex. Any male who has the information and who isn’t a passionate anti-feminist/MHR backer is a suicidal idiot as well as a traitor to his brothers. Sadly, you have plenty of company in the White House, the Senate, the House, and in most lame stream media offices, though.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

            When whole world looks like a bigot, it’s time to look in the mirror.

          • Tracheal

            Brian, dear…the whole Western world IS bigoted in terms men and boys. Were any other group to be grossly scapegoated/mis-treated this way there’d be a huge hue and cry but we get silence instead. And then along come witless white knights to back the niggardly nonsense at their own brothers’ expense. You can’t make this stuff up.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

            “The idiotic furore over the comments here in the UK by a judge and a barrister leading to a merely suspended sentence of a man who had sex with a thirteen-year-old point up the nasty absurdity of the current PC-fascist ideological line on sex and the persecution of men this causes.”

            Does that direct quote count as proof? Or should I go dig up some more?

          • Tracheal

            Of course not. He’s correctly knocking the current PC-fascist ideological line…and the persecution of men this causes. Women who rape boys commonly get 30 days while men get 30 years for the same crime.

            If you are going to try to prove that Moxon is a women hater at least pull in some quotes that show his supposed blanket hatred of ALL women and not just his very reasonable hatred of the fascist feminist minority of women…and men.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

            The beauty of arguing with angry bigoted rednecks is that eventually they just say something like “niggardly nonsense” and you win by default.

            It’s been a pleasure embarrassing you, feel free to get back to your pointless life and continue propping up the anger/industrial complex.

          • Tracheal
          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

            Your using the word out of context to bait an argument you think you can win. Lay off the cheesy alliterations and just admit you hate the idea of gender equality.

          • Tracheal

            So you’re not the redneck you are falsely accusing me of being? Nice to know that you know the difference between niggardly and the n word. That said I hate the SLOGAN ‘gender’ equality because both terms are blatant falsehoods. ‘Gender’ is really ‘sex’, and women are not and never will be man’s equal (or vice versa) no matter how much niggardly Valley Girl nonsense your Twisted Sisters spread otherwise.

            The best that we can hope for is some kind of sexed EQUITY since biology rules the opposite Sexes. Now I know that this is heresy to utterly discredited social constructionist fools but since I have no interest in the feminist ‘religion’, there’s no reason for me to care about whether I blaspheme the female supremacist superstition or not. The whole point here is to bring some truth to the vile V*gina Monologue.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

            Well it’s settled. You don’t like gender equality, fortunately you’re in a shrinking minority. Good luck, and when you use alliterations and verbose sentences to describe your hate, it just makes you look like a lunatic.

          • Tracheal

            It’s actually a growing majority. Women are not exactly storming the ramparts of power anywhere in the world. They don’t desire to run the risks or do the work. Nor are they as capable in power roles as are men. Like Lagarde, they’d rather be having tea with stupid gender feminists than actually doing their job and hob nobbing with top economists….this while their charges risk going down the toliet too. What you need is a serious dose of reality because you’ve obviously been badly ‘brained’ as a good boy for bad women.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

            Atleast Nazi’s know they’re in the minority. I hope one day you deal with the personal shortcomings and failed relationships that make you so angry.

            As I alluded to before, when nearly every person you meet is an asshole, it’s time to look in the mirror.

          • Tracheal

            You’re making your Twisted Sisters proud. Relying on stupid shame games, poisonous projections, and blanket scapegoating is not likely to take you very far…black tie or no. Male assholes who behave like feminist assholes are particularly odious…in the patriarchal world that is.

    • myblusky

      Maybe only the men who have evolved to not be influenced by sex should be allowed in the workplace. I would say that if you are so influenced by testosterone that you belong back in a cave, not an office.

      • Tracheal

        That’s not evolution. That’s voluntary enslavement to feminist Gender Bigots in the estrogen ghetto…led by misandrist patriarchal monkeys like Obama and his bigoted VAWomanA boy Biden. I would say that since you are so obviously brainwashed by your ‘evolved’ Twisted Sisters, you belong back in the feminist Coven and not in OUR top offices.

        • myblusky

          I believe in freedom of speech, but not in the freedom of stupidity.

          You are a fearful person who sits here guarding your posts like the words you have written are pearls of wisdom, but no matter how much defense you put up, most sensible people can figure out what nonsense you are speaking.

          You’re hateful and scared. I would be too if I were an un-evolved man.

          FYI – I’m not in your office and you have no say about my career or my life.

          • Tracheal

            Freedom of stupidity is freedom of speech and so is freedom of hate propaganda…both of which your Twisted Sisters, the Gender Bigots have relied on for them-sexes (and have prohibited for others)…to grow their hysterical hate movement. NPR is one of the worst offenders in this retarded regard. That’s why I’m shocked that I haven’t already been silenced on this blog.

            ‘Fearful’ is a compliment coming from ‘evolved’ (eg indoctrinated) women. But just for the record, I don’t toss wisdom before bigoted feminist swine…on this blog or others. Wisdom is not even needed to pop the Gender Bigot balloon because feminism is so nonsensical, so dishonest, and so utterly false.

            I do generally tend to hate feminist hatred but I’m certainly not scared of bigoted feminist bullies. Nor is feminist enslavement (‘evolvement’) an aspiration of mine. Those male monkeys who have bought the big ‘evolvement’ lie have both my sympathy and my scorn.

            I’d never knowing hire a woman who wasn’t an active anti-feminist or MHR backer. For any man to hire you would probably be a similar mistake. And since awareness is rapidly growing regarding the bigoted nature of your hate movement, I’d recommend some serious deprogramming before it’s too late.

          • Sy2502

            Why don’t you tell us what scares you so much about women?

          • Tracheal

            Why don’t you tell us why you cannot create clean distinctions between fascist feminist gender bigots and the rest of womankind? Fascist Brown Blouses like those who formed Warren Farrell’s welcoming committee at the U of Toronto recently are very scary as you can easily see for your-sex on YouTube. I generally tend to loath totalitarian tyranny in whatever form it appears.

          • Sy2502

            Your fear of women is quite entertaining, please tell us more! I am having a slow day at work, my work being Technical Director, you know, one of those jobs where I “pretend to be a man”, so a whimpering man cowering away from them bad women is the highlight of my day right now. Please do keep it up.

          • Tracheal

            If your technical direction is as idiotic as your feminist foolishness, those you direct need to ignore everything you say and run for the hills. You can plan on me keeping it up but as you can see I’m not cowering. Nor am I whimpering. Wanna-be-men simply can’t handle anything truthful so there’s no reason to be worried. We will soon collapse your evil totalitarian tyranny…and decent women will be leading the charge for us…I’m happy to say.

          • Sy2502

            Aww, you are jealous… poor baby…

          • Tracheal

            Jealous? How can one be jealous of a feminist nincompoop who shame games endlessly because she has nothing better to offer. Twisted emotional nonsense (the primary weapon of your Twisted Sisters too) isn’t gonna pay the bill for very much longer.

        • Sy2502

          You have deep seated psychological issues about women. But the fact your mommy didn’t hug you enough is no excuse to go on a public forum insulting the female readers. You are a terrible representative of your gender: stupid, bigoted, and close minded. Not in the least as superior as you delude yourself you are.

          • Tracheal

            Stupid feminist shame games aren’t going to work on me, girlfren. I’m also not representing my ‘gender’ but my S-E-X as I attack the bigoted, reverse-sexist, female supremacist Woman’s Racket (Moxon) you appear to come from. Nor do I aspire to superiority over women just an end to the falseness of fascist female supremacist feminism.

          • Sy2502

            You are so scared of women, your fear has robbed you of all rationality. Given women make half of the population, it’s quite crippling for you to have such extreme issues with half of the human beings around you. I suggest seeking help.

          • Tracheal

            More stupid feminist shame gaming and you are suggesting that I’M irrational and need help!? Gotta give you points for chutzpah but hardly for intelligence. And just for the record, I ONLY have trouble with a tiny minority of women and men…that is feminist Gender Bigots…who arrogantly purport to speak for all women and to scapegoat all men…so don’t bother to blanket scapegoat me as a misogynist. Happily the population of anti-feminist women is growing rapidly…and of course I love them.

    • Sy2502

      Please provide actual proof that women are poor leaders. Also who are these “women pretending to be men” you speak of? Getting higher education is “pretending to be men”? Getting a job commensurate to your education is “pretending to be men”? Having a career fitting your expertise is “pretending to be men”? What exactly do you think a woman is? A baby making piece of furniture?

      • Tracheal

        Go read Moxon’s The Woman Racket or listen to the London School of Econ’s ‘heretical’ Katherine Hakim. Given that 80% of women don’t even desire to work full time, for a select group of ugly but ‘manly’ Twisted Sisters (feminists) to pretend to that women can better men at work is utter idiocy. But that doesn’t stop the parade of pretenders including Billary Clinton, the IMF’s Lagarde or say Susan Rice from playing ‘man’. The only really close, but hardly sufficient, substitute for a man was the Ole Iron Lady. (Ironically, she really hated whining feminist bigots too.)

        A woman is a female human animal whose life is just as ruled by biological preferences as is a man’s. She is no better or worse than a man morally, but her good and evil tends to be displayed in different forms. Because she is biologically opposite to man, she generally can’t even come close to competing in things that men are biologically driven/biologically blessed to be superior at…and vice versa.

        Thus we have evil activist ‘scholars’ brewing poisonous propaganda in Woman’s Studies and other pigheaded ‘progressive’ (read feminist) academic covens. Because most women don’t even know how to root out the rats in their midst, this kind of corrupt totalitarian constipation worsens over time. The result is the world’s largest and most officially coddled hate movement.

        • Sy2502

          Biological differences are not biological opposites. Biological differences are also not biological superiorities. I understand a common way to deal with one’s fears is to belittle that which we are scared of. But that doesn’t make it any less pathetic on your part.

          • Tracheal

            In the case of opposite male-female biological opposites, biological differences are indeed often opposite. For instance, men tend be far more fear-less and women far more fear-full in general. For that reason I’m more amused than fearful…as you try to project all your female fear-fullness on me. I just belittle what is, in fact, niggardly feminist nonsense. That fact that you hold such niggardly nonsense dear is the really pathetic reality here.

          • Sy2502

            Men are less fearful… lol… like you, who’s quivering and whimpering at the very thought of confronting yourself with women on an equal footing. You are funny!

          • Tracheal

            Don’t flatter yourself. Women like you are about as threatening as the average house fly…and on about the same ‘equal footing’ too. Even the ‘strongest’ of your Twisted Sisters collapse the moment free speech is permitted because the whole ideology is based in recycled garbage from the trash heap of history. Fighting feminist fascism is a tedious but necessary chore…made even more tedious and sad by brainwashed male white knight monkeys and misandrist male flunkies like Obama and his boy Biden.

          • Sy2502

            Yes women are so inconsequential that you have flooded a whole message board, and have spent much time spewing hate toward them. Because they don’t matter to you. Obviously. Have you seen that psychiatrist yet?

          • Tracheal

            Feminist bigots are not real women..nor are they even interesting as people. However, they ARE fascist fear mongers who have been able to insinuate their hysterical hate movement into the center of power everywhere in the Western world by f*cking said patriarchal power like SlutWalking harpies. THAT (female) fascism matters to me because it’s always incredibly dangerous…historically speaking.

          • Tracheal

            Feminist bigots are consequential but not for long. The flooding comes from you and your Twisted Sisters who have flooded the whole world with your poisonous anti-male propaganda. Time for a little balance don’t ya ‘feel’?

          • Sy2502

            I can totally picture you, red as a beet, shaking your rattler and stomping your feet, snot flying everywhere. Well, my dear toddler, women are in the workforce, and they are here to stay. They aren’t going away because their presence gives you an emotional meltdown. You’ll have to learn to deal with it. Or with a bit of luck all your bile and venom will give you a massive heart attack and the problem will be solved. In the meantime, thank you for the entertainment, guys like you are such satisfaction to a woman like me, nothing is funnier than to watch you bust a gut over this.

          • Tracheal

            Women aren’t the problem, you twisted feminist twit. As I’ve said over and over and over it’s feminist bigots (male and female) like you who are dangerous predators. You can be damn sure the learning is going to be on your end from now on….starting with learnin how to picture your opponents correctly.

  • Tracheal

    “Interestingly enough, other women are my worst critics.”

    That’s because women hate to follow women. See Steve Moxon’s The Woman Racket (Sex at Work) for the whole story. Biology isn’t going away no matter how much niggardly ‘gender’-as-female-sex nonsense feminist bigots shill otherwise.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

    Whether it’s a man or woman is pushing for positions of high power they’re going to have to make selfish decisions that put their career interests in front of their families, spouses & friendships. Regardless of whether you provide flexible working hours or not, an 18 hour day is going to mean enormous sacrifice.

    • AmyD7

      Yes! I am in a flexible work situation with long hours. It’s true that I can be there for my child with greater flexibility than someone with less flexible hours, and I love that! But I still have to get my work done, and this often ends up happening late into the night. My family is not suffering because of my work commitments, but my sleep and possibly my health are! (Along with some of my friendships, but that’s another story.) It’s a temporary situation, in my case, though.

      • Tracheal

        “but my sleep and possibly my health are!”

        Good. Now you have a little tiny taste of what routine male disposability feels like. This might en-gender some consideration for the sex which does the bulk of the premature dying so that your Coddled ‘Gender’ can outlive our Disposable Sex everywhere.

        • AmyD7

          Hmm. I don’t feel disposable, actually. I do agree with you that male disposability is a real thing, though. The first example that comes to my mind is the draft. I’ve always felt that treating women as too precious (or something) to be drafted, but men as fair game, is flawed logic, and it is dismissive of male human life on a truly grand scale.

          However, you seem to be assuming that because I am female, that I have no consideration for what hard-working men (or hard-working people in general) sacrifice, and that’s, well, just not true.

          • Tracheal

            Nice to see some open mindedness in what is a very closed-minded lame stream media world. Male human life IS dismissed on a truly grand scale, which is what makes feminism and Tom’s Ashcroft’s article above truly absurd in context. Men die 98-2 in combat, 95-5 on the job and 5-7 years earlier in the actuary tables because we are biologically disposable.

            I’m assuming that because you are female in a brainwashed Gender Bigot world…and because that you haven’t already opposed said bigots strongly…that you, like most of us, have probably fallen for the Big Lie to some extent. That’s all. You will find that I tend to like open minded people even IF they disagree with me. But since history shows that women have always been the Coddled ‘Gender’ everywhere and men the Disposable Sex, it’s impossible to make a solid case that females were/are more disposable than are men as a sex.

            ‘Gender’ is how feminist Gender Bigots rape reason to conflate sex and gender so as to further the vile Valley Girl like-like-like lie. That way, they can pretend that women are ‘socially constructed’ equals of men, but still foist the dangerous, dirty, and difficult biological disposability on males. It’s a neat trick as long as free speech can be silenced but is very very nasty for males who now have to suffer both traditional biological disposability plus ‘progressive’ totalitarian social scapegoating.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=32606540 Brian Belgard

        Hi Amy,
        I think that everyone’s definition of “suffering” is going to vary. I don’t mean to make assumptions about your particular situation, but it’s my experience (shaped by a parent working 80+ hr weeks) that you simply can’t devote the time it requires to be an A player without putting strain on the family.

        That strain may not be extreme, but I think uber driven parent(s) with well balanced family lives will continue to be the exception regardless of what the attitude towards flexibility is.

        As I said before, I don’t mean to make assumptions about your situation or family, just my perspective.

        • AmyD7

          Yeah, I hear you. I do worry sometimes, although I’m pretty certain that between my husband (who’s job is far less demanding, time-wise, than mine), our very involved families, and me, we’re doing right by our son. The only thing I can do right now is work towards a situation where I’m not working an obnoxious number of hours a week. Balance is definitely the goal.

          • Tracheal

            And I hope truth too. That starts with showing your son early on how stacked the deck is against his entire Sex. He particularly need to know how dangerous marriage and childrearing are so that he can manage said risks proactively.

  • Regular_Listener

    I haven’t seen any discrimination against women in the places I have worked at, but I have seen, and been the recipient of, bias against heterosexual men. When is someone going to do a show about this?

    So far as there still being bias against women for top executive positions, there may be some truth to that, but I don’t really care. These positions are a small percentage of the overall employment picture. In most of our major metro areas, women now earn more on average than men – how do you square that with the notion that it is women who are being unfairly discriminated against?

    • Tracheal

      Paul Elam is likely to be on ABC’s 20/20 soon. AVfM is getting too big for even the misandrist mainstream media monkeys to ignore so they will do their best to bash him on camera instead…if history is any guide. As for squaring, that doesn’t tend to happen in the circular feminist world which en-’genders’ The Age of Misandry.

  • Danielle

    In Australia and in the advertising industry there are no Executive Creative Directors that are female.
    What a surprise when I was relocated there and I’m just that!
    Do you think they welcomed me?
    I was informed that women get paid less for same positions by recruitment people who were women and when I say less I mean up to 100k less at least.
    Yet taxes, homes, cars and food cost the same for both.

    • Tracheal

      You need to channel some Mike Buchanan at JusticeforMenandBoys. Men pay the bulk of the taxes in most Western nations…and get absolutely screwed by feminist Gender Bigots in terms of services for men who suffer from DV or rape committed by women. And of course the pay gap is a fictional feminist fantasy which the all to real Death Gap makes a mockery of.

    • Tracheal

      This is precisely why feminists stay so backward, totalitarian, and stupid. Entropy rapidly increases in their closed world. Good thing too since entropy is destruction and death.

  • Tracheal

    It’s not. Nor is normal HIERARCHICAL bias worth getting your panties in a twist over. When female Ph.D’s whine over such inconsequential things when men are coming home in body bags 98-2, we tend to lose all respect for said women.

  • Tracheal

    Men and women aren’t equal and never will be. That’s merely vile Valley Girl nonsense intended to enable women to rape male power. If you haven’t turned your back on our 50% of the population you’ll be fighting the Gender Bigots tooth and nail for us…and that starts with battling their big pay gap lie.

    You don’t need to be a woman to experience pay gaps. I did so as a white male when incompetent white women and banal black males were being paid/promoted more for lower performance thanks to affirmative action but I didn’t bother whining…I just pitied em. You too need to stop whining assuming you even are really paid less for your real performance. These kinds of things happen occasionally to everyone but the science shows that there is simply NO pay gap which discriminates against your entire Sex.

    The Death Gap (which is very very real and totally overwhelming) is what you should be focusing on if you have one shred of fairness in your female bones. When I see my brothers suffering death or serious lifetime injuries (see Escape Fire) to protect the rights of a Coddled ‘Gender’ which falsely believes in it’s equality…and which regularly backs anti-male bigots (feminists) I tend to get more than tweaked. You want to be a team player then go die on the battlefields or on the farms, in the mines on the oil rigs or on the fishing boats, or on the garbage trucks, from which all your infantile entitlements come.

    Stand for Men’s Human Rights, oppose feminists, and enjoy your share of disposability. Then you can call yourself a 50/50 team player but not one second before. That is all.

    • Tracheal

      Wow I am talking to myself, I must be crazy then and stupid!

      • Tracheal

        Your loss girlfren because your are the ignorant one here. Were women to be really underpaid relative to performance you’d see women hired everywhere as business snapped up the bargain. But that isn’t happening because women simply aren’t underpaid.

  • Tracheal

    Irony escapes you.

  • Tracheal

    Just skimmed Dr. Helen’s Men on Strike. She classifies 3 dangerous man-hating predators:

    1) The angry woman…whom I call the twisted gender bigot as embodied by sy2502

    2) The chivalrous white knight who is both a tool and a fool for twisted gender bigots…as embodied by Mr Black-Tie Brian below, Tom Ashcroft above, and most other male monkeys in the lame stream press.

    3) The Uncle Tim who believes that since women have suffered solely at the hands of male evil doers since history began (NOT!), that men should now have to suffer revenge at the hands of the (overt) female evil doers now in power.

    Of course we also have angry but intentionally ignorant girls like Danielle…who are always potentially salvageable as long as they don’t run straight into the arms of their Twisted Sisters…or straight into the arms of some White Knight tool like black-tie Brian. And happily, we also have well intentioned, open minded and relatively curious women like AmyD7 as relatively rare antidotes to the common gang. I’m also quite sure that sooner or later some Erin Pizzey, or Dr. Helen type will join in to help stir the pot.

    In any case, the game is almost up for Gender Bigots (feminists). I even heard today that some particularly totalitarian colleges are giving official credit to students who add poisonous Gender Bigot propaganda to Wikipedia articles. You just can’t make this kind of stuff up….unless of course you are already a lame stream media hack like Tom Ashcroft who shamelessly endlessly shills swill for man-hating bigots as a ‘man’ himself, no less.

  • Tracheal

    Looks like the dirty tricks squad has hacked me. You can be the judge in terms of which comments below are mine…and which are from the hackers. All and all it’s a huge compliment that these bigoted goons have stooped to such loathsome tactics…and very very validating too.

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