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With John Harwood in for Tom Ashbrook.

Obama cancels on Russia. New terror threats. A-Rod’s punishment. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Russian President Vladimir Putin listens during a meeting at the Novo-Ogaryovo residence outside Moscow on Wednesday, Aug. 7, 2013. The White House announced Wednesday that President Barack Obama has canceled plans to meet with Putin in Moscow next month. (AP)

Russian President Vladimir Putin listens during a meeting at the Novo-Ogaryovo residence outside Moscow on Wednesday, Aug. 7, 2013. The White House announced Wednesday that President Barack Obama has canceled plans to meet with Putin in Moscow next month. (AP)

Two years after the killing of Osama bin Laden, suddenly al Qaeda seems capable of hitting us again – enough that the Obama administration closed 20 embassies. now, a new threat in Pakistan. What’s happened? And what about that reset with Russia, now that the president canceled a planned September summit in Moscow

Here at home, members of Congress are back in their districts are trying to figure out what to do about the budget. And baseball suspends Alex Rodriguez – but lets him rejoin the Yankees lineup anyway.

This hour, On Point:  the roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Guests

Martha Raddatz, chief global affairs correspondent for ABC News. (@martharaddatz)

Byron York, chief political correspondent for the Washington Examiner. (@byronyork)

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From The Reading List

The Washington Post: Obama cancels summit meeting with Putin over Snowden case – ”President Obama canceled an upcoming summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday, a rare, deliberate snub that reflects the fresh damage done by the Edward Snowden case to an important relationship already in decline.”

CNN: More suspected al Qaeda militants killed as drone strikes intensify in Yemen – ”Drone strikes against militants in Yemen are intensifying as the U.S. Embassy there and in other Middle Eastern and African countries remain closed amid terrorism fears. Seven suspected U.S. drone strikes have been reported in the past two weeks alone. They have killed at least 31 people, according to a tally by Yemeni officials.”

ESPN: A-Rod formally appeals suspension – ”The Major League Baseball Players Association formally appealed Alex Rodriguez’s 211-game suspension Wednesday, sending the case to an independent arbitrator. Union spokesman Greg Bouris confirmed the appeal and said the players’ association had no further comment.”

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  • HonestDebate1

    I’m glad Obama canceled the meeting with Putin. It’s an embarrassing mismatch.

    • creaker

      I would have rather seen it cancelled due to the Russian government’s fascist leanings toward homosexuals, though. It’s getting ugly over there.

    • hennorama

      He Tasted 1Bone –
      clearly you should keep your day and night jobs, as your veiled shot at President Putin would disqualify you from diplomatic service.

  • Ed75

    The final count was 3.7 million people at World Youth Day with Pope Francis. The number 37 keeps popping up, it is the reverse of 73, the year abortion became legal.
    Secretary of State Kerry is working hard at brokering the two-state solution in the Middle East, which Pope Benedict supported also. One commentator from the Middle East said that Secretary Kerry needed strong support from the President to make it happen, and he just wasn’t getting it. Odd. Very odd.
    The persecution of Christians across northern Africa (including Sudan and Nigeria) and the Middle East continues, perhaps a response to the continued growth of Christianity in Africa. The U.S. government has refused to help Christians in the Middle East.

    • J__o__h__n

      equally fascinating things about the number 37: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_(number)

      • Ed75

        Thanks, that’s very interesting, I like that it’s the 12th prime.

    • Yar

      Shame on you Ed, Numerology is a false idol. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Who are the most persecuted people in the world? Muslim and Christians are pretty close in the number of countries where governments persecute them. I chose to believe that we believe in the same creator. http://www.businessinsider.com/most-persecuted-religions-in-the-world-2012-9

      • J__o__h__n

        They are also the two who persecute the most.

      • Ed75

        Numerology is not good, and I want no part of it. But God can and does speak to us through creation, and numbers and ideas are part of creation.

  • Yar

    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
    Jessie Benton said “he is holding his nose” while working for Mitch McConnell.
    The question of the week between these two frenemies is who is keeping who close? My bet is that McConnell will pull out of the race before the primary in May. I expect him to attempt to hand pick his replacement by late January. This is also a warning to his opponents in the danger of building a Mitch centered campaign.

    http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/08/mitch-mcconnell-campaign-manager-im.html

  • HonestDebate1
    • Wahoo_wa
    • nj_v2

      More animals. Florida, again. What’s up with Florida?

      http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/07/3548779/graffiti-artist-dies-after-tasering.html

      Friends who witnessed Tasering of Beach teen offer disturbing details

      At just 18, Israel Hernández-Llach was already an award-winning artist, on the threshold of acclaim in Miami Beach art circles. He was a sculptor, painter, writer and photographer whose craft was inspired by his home country of Colombia and his adopted city, Miami.

      He was also a graffiti artist, known as “Reefa,” who sprayed colorful splashes of paint on the city’s abandoned buildings while playing cat-and-mouse with cops, who, like many property owners, consider graffiti taggers to be vandals, not artists.

      It was while spray-painting a shuttered McDonald’s early Tuesday morning that Hernández-Llach was chased down by Miami Beach police and shot in the chest with a Taser. He later died.…

      (snipped)

      iti-artist-dies-after-tasering.html#storylink=cpy

      • HonestDebate1

        That’s awful.

  • toc1234

    Putin views Obama as the community-organizer/academic that he is… i.e. two years as a junior senator and next stop the WH?? why wouldn’t Putin see Obama as a lightweight who was just in the right place (with his trusty teleprompter, of course..) at the right time?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Teleprompter jokes?

      I woke up in 2008 or something.

    • jimino

      Putin is taking advantage of the idiocracy in our country, exemplified by people like you, that is single-mindedly intent on weakening Obama, to gain leverage to the disadvantage of the USA. Helping Russia vis a vis the USA has now become the right-wing goal. My how things have changed since the fall of the Soviet Union!

    • Don_B1

      President Vladimir Putin, who moved to politics from the KGB, has long dreamed of restoring Russia to the prestige it had in its “glory days” as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), and sees confronting the U.S. at every turn as part of the path to achieving that.

      The “Russian” State (the USSR or the current Russian government) has never turned an asylum seeker back to the original country and was always unlikely to make the Snowden case the first one, particularly to its “arch-enemy,” the United States.

      With the downward pressure on fossil fuels due to the growth of fracking (oil and natural gas), the demand for Russia’s chief export is also under pressure and the countries of the EuroZone are threatening to lower their purchases of Russian gas and oil as they work to meet climate change goals for CO2 emissions.

  • Coastghost

    Welcome back to NPR, Martha!

  • toc1234

    isn’t it time for Jack to take a vacation too? (or sabbatical?)

  • Coastghost

    America is compelled to flail with Obama, is that it?

    • Don_B1

      It is the idiotic ideologically driven Tea/Republicans that are causing America to “flail around in a Lesser Depression,” not President Obama.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Next week’s news today about upcoming Congressional meetings in districts.

    Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.

    Be Disruptive Early And Often: You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep?s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep?s statements early.

    Try To Rattle Him, Not Have An Intelligent Debate:

    Thanks, Teabaggers, for letting us all know what your aims are

    • MrNutso

      So far I think it’s backfiring. It’s early yet. Also, I read a good piece on how focusing on the ACA will give cover to Republicans that want to vote for the Senate’s immigration bill.

    • hennorama

      TF – this is old news. Check out this excerpt of an article from August 10, 2009, titled ‘Losing the Health Care Shouting Match’:

      – “Be Disruptive Early And Often: ‘You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.’ ”

      – “Try To ‘Rattle Him,’ Not Have An Intelligent Debate: ‘The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.’ ”

      “One of the services FreedomWorks offers is setting up amateur-looking web sites, giving the appearance of a grassroots effort instead of a corporate PR campaign paid for by wealthy clients.

      “Another tip from the memo:

      –”Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: ‘Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.’”

      See:
      http://progressive.org/mag/rc081009.html

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Hey, never misunderestimate the press corps’ (no sic) stupidity in being fooled.

        Your local TV newscasts are about to get a lot dumber.

        • HonestDebate1

          Great word!

  • hennorama

    Come on now Ms. Raddatz – the diplomats no doubt have input in the decisions to close facilities. Keep in mind that we are in a transition period of implementing all 29 recommendations of the Benghazi Accountability Review Board.

    Denying terrorists their targets is simply prudent. Only fools would maintain their presence in light of credible threats.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kyle.rose Kyle Rose

    Sorry, I’m not giving the administration deference on anything, for any reason. For my entire life, US government officials have been lying to me with a straight face, and have continued lying to me even after having been caught in the middle of a lie. F them: no deference.

  • MrNutso

    What a surprise that this all comes back to what are we hiding about Benghazi

    • Coastghost

      It’s only taken eleven months to learn as little as we’ve been told.

    • jimino

      Which is that we use our “diplomatic outposts” as cover for CIA-run spying. What else have you learned?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Asking Byron York to comment on Louis Gomert’s piffle on Hannity’s show is some sort of triple play.

    Can’t we ask a non-aligned person what Gomert said?

    Why does NPR need an emissary like York to spout GOP talking points unchecked?

    “Domestic politicl fallout”, indeed. The only question is whether York is telling it or fluffing it.

    • pete18

      To balance out Jack Beatty, who spouts Democratic Party talking points unchecked.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Yeah, pfft. Nice, uh, try.

        • pete18

          Balloon Juice!!!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Play that deuce like a face card all you want.

            Jake Tapper’s a Beltway Inbred just auditioning at Fox-lite for his next job at Fox.

          • pete18

            To beat your hand, all I need is a deuce!

      • nj_v2

        ^ Thus demonstrating unfamiliarity with or understanding of either what Mr Beatty says or Democratic talking points.

        Par for the course for the forum conservobot gallery.

        • pete18

          I know that both you and TF think you are giving us something that is not “par for the course” from the left wing posse on this board, by thinking all Byron York does is spout GOP talking points and Jack Beatty is some sort of unpredictable and independent thinker in comparison, and I’m sure I’ll be unable to talk you out of that misguided partisan prejudice. However, I think it’s clear the reason York is on is to balance out people like Beatty, who is the permanent lefty pit bull by the side of his left-wing host. Too bad, because Beatty is obviously out classed by York on all levels.

          I do, however, think Tom Ashbrook, despite his clear partisanship and incessant interrupting of guests, is a very good host, who runs a smart and interesting show.

          • StilllHere

            Jack is so generally out of touch, I’m not sure the north woods perspective is really useful.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            None of our high-class right-wingers have told me to eat a bag of something lately. What’d you do to class yourself up?

  • dt03044

    Why would anyone take Louie Gomert of Texas seriously? That man is a buffoon.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Because all NPR’s friends are jumping off a cliff.

    • HonestDebate1

      How can anyone not like Gomert?

      • hennorama

        One can only “like” Rep. Gohmert for his entertainment value.

      • nj_v2

        How can anyone take you seriously?

      • nj_v2

        How can anyone take you seriously?

        • HonestDebate1

          They don’t, why?

        • jefe68

          Oh come on, who takes this clown seriously?

  • Tim Cahill

    Someone please explain to Byron York the difference between a Consulate and an Embassy. Our Embassy in Libya was NOT attacked, it was our Consulate in Benghazi. Consulates can’t realistically receive the same security as Embassies as the cost would be prohibitive.

    • hennorama

      Tim Cahill – actually, the U.S. facility in Benghazi was not a consulate either – it was a temporary residential “diplomatic post/facility”. The term “consulate” implies permanence, and functions that were not included in the activities carried out at the compound that was first attacked. The unclassified version of the ARB report described it as “a temporary, residential facility” and said “the U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi was never a consulate and never formally notified to the Libyan government.”

      See:

      http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf (pages 5, 14 & 15)

      • Tim Cahill

        Thanks for the clarification!

        • hennorama

          Tim Cahill – You’re welcome, of course. The temporary status of the U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi contributed significantly to the relatively low level of security there, especially of the so-called “safe area,” which was anything but safe, primarily due to a lack of fire safety equipment.

          Again, from the ARB report:

          “Special Mission Benghazi’s uncertain future after 2012 and its “non-status” as a temporary, residential facility made allocation of resources for security and personnel more difficult, and left responsibility to meet security standards to the working-level in the field, with very limited resources.”

      • HonestDebate1

        Schoolmarm.

        • hennorama

          He Tasted 1Bone – is your significant other aware of your “schoolmarm” fascination? Coupled with your fetish for a shirtless Putin, there may be some cause for concern.

          • HonestDebate1

            I actually hate schoolmarms on blogs but Putin is manly.

  • Michiganjf

    U.S. Ambassadors can’t do their jobs…

    Republican STUPIDITY strikes again!

    Republicans were warned this would be the fallout of their politicization of Benghazi to secure their rabid conservative base with more nonsense!

    • nj_v2

      Republican stupidity doesn’t exactly strike. It just kind of lingers like the taste of pizza with a little too much onion.

  • nj_v2

    Rethuglcon jack*azzery of the week:

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/08/house-republican-wont-push-back-tea-party-birther-calling-obama-communist-despot

    VIDEO: House GOPer Won’t Push Back on Birther Calling Obama “Communist Despot”

    Rep. Martha Roby (R-Ala.) is no John McCain.

    At a town hall forum in her district on Monday that was sponsored by a local tea party group, Roby was asked by an attendee what she would do to counter the supposed abuses of President Barack Obama, whom the man described as ineligible for office, a communist, and a tyrant. Here’s how the fellow put it: “What I need from you is to know what you can do, you and your fellow non-communist colleagues in the lower House, what you can do to stop these communist tyrannical executive orders laid down by this foreign-born, America-hating communist despot?”

    After the room erupted in laughter and supportive applause, Roby responded with a smile: “Thank you for your question—he said it loud enough that you all heard it.” Roby did not push back on the questioner’s claims. Instead, she validated his fears. “Look I can’t emphasize the oversight part of my job enough,” she said. “And I think that that gets lost in what we do every day, because that’s exactly what we’re doing—we’re chasing down these executive orders, we’re chasing down these rules that are promulgated, that are backdoor legislation, whether it’s the EPA, the IRS, go down the list.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/08/06/2418171/fox-news-obama-is-overreacting-to-intelligence-threat-to-make-himself-look-good/

    Fox News: Obama Is Only Talking About Terror THreats To ‘Make The White House Look Good’

    Fox News responded to the State Department’s order for “nonemergency” government personnel to leave Yemen on Tuesday by suggesting that the administration is deliberately leaking intelligence to bolster its public image and distract from other scandals. The speculation comes as officials are warning of intelligence for a possible attack that is “similar to what American spy agencies picked up in the weeks before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.″

    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2013/08/07/sen-tom-harkin-gop-senator-from-southern-state-called-pres-obama-exotic-during-closed-door-meeting/

    Sen. Tom Harkin: GOP senator from southern state called Pres. Obama “exotic” during closed-door meeting

    “Senator Tom Harkin has been busy lately. Earlier I posted: Iowa woman breaks down in tears at Harkin event supporting expansion of Social Security. Then he told the Des Moines Register that a GOP senator from a southern state referred to President Obama as “exotic” during a closed-door bipartisan meeting when they were trying to avoid more gridlock over changes to filibuster rules regarding executive branch nominees.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/07/santorum-liberals-make-it-uncomfortable-to-shower-at-the-ymca/

    Santorum: Liberals ‘make it uncomfortable’ to shower at the YMCA

    Former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum recently told a group of students that they needed to fight for conservative values in “every aspect of your life” because liberals who support abortion rights even “make it uncomfortable” to shower at the YMCA if you disagree with their views.Former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum recently told a group of students that they needed to fight for conservative values in “every aspect of your life” because liberals who support abortion rights even “make it uncomfortable” to shower at the YMCA if you disagree with their views.

    “You see, what the left does, what the pro-choice movement does is they just don’t focus on their little issue, they focus on everything they do and every aspect of their life,” he explained. “They make it uncomfortable for students who come to Austin to shower at a young men’s Christian association YMCA gym.”

    (excerpts)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      That’s a genuine US Congresswoman, not a state rep?

      Funny, that’s the kind of crap the GOP only hears out of their prospects and double-A players.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Per York, “Sometime Bush II overused terror alerts, even during the 2004 campaign.”

    That’s the understatement of the decade.

  • Ed Andrews

    Re: the caller who sees the closure of the embassies as part of a conspiracy to change the subject since the embassies in the Muslim are closed for the end of Ramadan – have you not noticed Muslims throughout the Middle East blowing each other up during especially at the end of Ramadan?

  • jimino

    From what I understand reading the comments of Rand Paul backers (TRUE conservatives), we shouldn’t even have diplomatic outposts in many of these countries. So closing them, regardless of the reason, certainly can’t be opposed by TRUE conservatives.

  • MrNutso

    Why is Paul even news?

    • hennorama

      I believe it’s due to his mesmerizing Samson-like “hair.”

  • Michiganjf

    Rand Paul was a JOKE on his On Point interview!

    He can’t even take questions about his affiliations now, how does he expect to survive these questions during a Presidential run???!!!

  • MrNutso

    Lee, Paul, Cruz and Rubio. The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse.

    • hennorama

      If men = ‘sasses, then I agree.

      • MrNutso

        Awesome!

        • hennorama

          MrNutso – TY for your very kind word. I enjoyed avoiding the moderator as well.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Our host could ask Byron York about how common it is to defund passed government law, and how many times Tip Oneill, Tom Daschle and Speaker Jim Wright threw tantrums like this.

    A little introspection on how the press “mainstreamed” the idea of “defund Obamacare” would help this program.

  • MrNutso

    There you go TF!

  • Michiganjf

    Obamacare is already a PROVEN success in states which have embraced it, beating down premium costs for insurance!!

    Republicans are TRYING their best to MAKE IT fail, but they will ONLY be able to partially thwart it in Republican controlled red states… then voters will see the contrast about how well it’s working with cooperation, as opposed to how well it’s working where there is strong resistance.

    This will be e really tough sell for Republicans in 2014, when YET AGAIN, facts will NOT be on their side!

    • hennorama

      Michiganjf – the thing is that if Republicans actually thought Obamacare was truly terrible and destined to fail, they would simply sit back, let it fail, then reap the political benefits of “We told you so.”

      Instead, their petulant actions indicate fear that Obamacare will instead be a success, and not a failure.

      • Michiganjf

        Agreed!

      • HonestDebate1

        That’s a horrible strategy that is not in the best interest of America. Republicans aren’t stupid.

        • hennorama

          He Tasted 1Bone – TYFYR.

          At least one prominent Republican disagrees with you.

          Last November, and again in January, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said:

          “We’ve gotta stop being the stupid party. I’m serious. It’s time for a new Republican party that talks like adults. We’ve gotta stop insulting the intelligence of voters.”

          Source:
          http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2013/01/jindal-to-gop-stop-being-the-stupid-party.html

          http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83743.html

          • HonestDebate1

            What in the world are you talking about? Did Jindal advocate rolling over on Obamacare and letting America go down the tubes to teach them a lesson? Is that acting like adults?

            And BTW, he didn’t say Republicans are stupid, smarty pants. But I don’t care if he did. I would agree the Republican Party is stupid… and impotent. However, when he says the Republican party is “the” stupid party, that implies they have a monopoly on stupid. That’s stupid, screw him.

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – Umm … I guess you missed your own words “Republicans aren’t stupid,” which I was (obviously) responding to. It’s quite apparent that Gov. Jindal disagrees.

            BTW, please keep using the Gregg Smith Response-O-Matic, as its O-Matic responses are hilarious:

            [Smarty pants]

            How old are you, exactly? I ask only because that phrase is common among schoolchildren, not adults. Per urbandictionary.com:

            “1. smartypants

            something a five year old calls another smart five year old.
            most get over it once they are past 6”

            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smartypants

          • HonestDebate1

            Yes, my second paragraph responded to that point. Read it again slower, smarty pants. How old are you?

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – I understand. You both asked and answered your own question, yet decided to post your comment despite this fact. And you are now criticizing me for responding? Going to the Gregg Smith Response-O-Matic again:

            [alrighty then]

          • HonestDebate1

            Huh?

        • jefe68

          Republicans aren’t stupid?
          Hmmmm, they sure do seem bent on proving you wrong.

          Stupid is as stupid does.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Obamacare is righty policy! The dreaded unconstitutional individual mandate is straight from Heritage/Gingrich who didn’t want any slackers freeloading. Obamacare is MA Romneycare, where it’s working fine.

      Anyone who isn’t suspicious of those who attack their own policies when they come from a faux liberal who shares their values should not be let out on their own.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    “The WashPo was often criticized as being a liberal paper…” says our host.

    Yep. They beat the drum for the invasion of* Iraq. They have a phalanx of the worst right-wing hack OpEd writers who start with anti-facts and get worse from there. They continually distort finances of SocSec and Medicare to heighten the OhNoesGoingBankruptCutThemYesterday11!!1on1!1! panic. And Michelle Rhee is their poster girl.

    But I guess if one’s asking Byron York…

    • TomK_in_Boston

      WaPo has fallen drastically from the glory days of investigative reporting. They are currently nothing but a corporate and gvt mouthpiece. With their ownership of Kaplan they promote their own interests by endlessly advocating corporate education. I think Bezos provides the only chance for this once-great paper to keep its soul.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Some wags call it “Kaplan Test Prep Daily” because it knows where its money comes from and changes its focus accordingly.

        Bezos has said he “won’t interfere” on the content side. But of course, every new owner since Charles Foster Kane has said that.

        Hopefully Bezos will do something; I can’t imagine the WaPo getting worse.

        • TomK_in_Boston

          It absolutely is the “Kaplan Post”.

          Bezos is an internet genius and if anyone can figure out how papers can survive, do something innovative, he can. Maybe he’ll even dial back the corp-ed drumbeat and remember how to “speak truth to power”. I agree he can’t possibly make WaPo worse.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        You are correct. They stopped investigating the regime once Obama was elected.

        • J__o__h__n

          Who needs to investigate when Bob Woodward can make things up?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Woodward was making it up about Nixon?

  • J__o__h__n

    If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results, why does Byron York expect the Republicans to address immigration and not pass bills to repeal Obamacare yet again?

  • MrNutso

    Not if Rinse has anything to do about it.

  • Coastghost

    Who knows: maybe someone will pick up CPB/PBS/NPR for a cool few hundred million, after disentangling it from its Federal mandate?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      But the value of having PBS and NPR as the whipped, cowardly “liberal media” (sic) while being afraid of going leftwards of the equation

      (ABC + Drudge (Politico) + Sally Quinn and Howard Kurtz’ Rolodex) / George Will + David Brooks

      is something that no amount of money can buy.

  • MrNutso

    Not blood letting Byron, too many chances so show off their buffonery.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    CNN possibly cut from the 2016 GOP debates?

    When it comes to CNN, the GOP has a Fox-lite farm team already.

    But I do enjoy the idea of making the GOP debates more of an inbred pep-rally than last time.

    • HonestDebate1

      That’s a good move. Why should they allow Candy Crowley to lie and run interference. It’s a disgrace. They aren’t the only game in town… BTW neither is Fox.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDfEgU6Dcl8&feature=player_embedded

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Please, more Clownhall links aren’t making you look better.

        And Candy Crowley, liberal?

        You really need to get out more.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Obama: “Could you repeat that Candy?”

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Yep. She stated a fact, and you can’t tell the difference.

            What a surprise that’s your talking point.

          • HonestDebate1

            No, she was wrong and admitted it.

          • HonestDebate1

            That was petulance on display. It was disgusting yet many cheered at the lie. It’s incredible.

        • HonestDebate1

          It’s CNN.

  • Michiganjf

    Yes, Republicans DO think there are too many debates… their “best” just can’t handle the exposure!!!

    After all, they OBVIOUSLY don’t want Americans to know their REAL views, just their prepared talking points!

  • Stephen Alrich Marshall

    Freedom from government surveillance took a hit this week when two encrypted email services shut down under pressure from the NSA. Lavabit was reportedly Edward Snowden’s email service, and has been in a legal wrangle with the NSA for the last six weeks. Rather than compromise user privacy, Ladar Levision, founder of Lavabit, shut down the service on Thursday. Analysis from a variety of sources assert that the NSA wants content access to emails, and Lavabit refused to provide that tap.

    Analysis from a variety of sources:

    The New Yorker:
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/08/the-nsa-and-its-targets-lavabit-shuts-down.html

    The Guardian:
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/08/lavabit-email-shut-down-edward-snowden

    The Huff-Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/08/lavabit-edward-snowden-email_n_3728005.html

    “Silent Circle”, another encrypted email service, has also shut down.
    C/Net
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57597726-38/silent-circle-follows-lavabit-in-shuttering-encrypted-e-mail/

  • MrNutso

    Former pitcher Mike Marshall said it best. These guys should be banned for life and their records stricken as if they never played. I personally think that in addition they should be force to pay back all their money plus interest to be given as rebates to ball game attendees.

    • J__o__h__n

      Everyone knew it was going on. Was anyone shocked by Lance Armstrong either?

    • burroak

      Here, here.

  • hennorama

    When Little Prince Reebus was re-elected as RNC chairperson in January, he said this:

    “We will be a Republican Party that people will want to join,” he said. “A party that inspires again. Not a party that just says ‘no’ . . . but a party that says, ‘Follow us to a brighter future.’”

    Yes, of course. “Follow us to a brighter future.” Sure, sure. “We will be a Republican Party that people will want to join.” Yeahright, obviously.

    What he left out was:

    “Assuming you can find any of our candidates on the TV networks that we reject for our circular firing squad debates.”

    Source:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/25/reince-priebus-re-elected-chairman-of-the-republican-national-committee/

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      You don’t like Mr. Priebus?

      At least he is calling out the corrupt media that even Maureen Dowd agrees has gone too far with their Hillary propaganda.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        “Even” Maureen Dowd?

        Please learn who is and isn’t a liberal commentator.

        • pete18

          I’m sure someday you’ll give us a list.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Hey, you can read just like I can. Nobody’s stopping you.

            But if you think a deuce beats anything in straight-up poker, there’s something I can’t fix.

          • pete18

            It beats a joker!

          • StilllHere

            Instant classic.

      • HonestDebate1

        And Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell and Robert Gibbs.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Upchuck Todd, a liberal?

          I don’t want to break it to you, but he’s a complete Inbred.

          • HonestDebate1

            Yea, he’s a liberal but Andrea Mitchell and Robert Gibbs are hard core Conservatives.

      • hennorama

        WftC – TY for your response.

        I have no opinion about Mr. Priebus himself. Due to the fact that I just can’t get my mind around the pronunciation of the RNC chairperson’s name, I use “Prince Reebus” instead.

        On the other hand, I find his words and actions quite disagreeable.

        Trying to blackmail TV networks into pulling programming off the air is counterproductive at best, coming from the chairperson of a party that said the following in their 2012 party platform:

        “We are the party of maximum economic freedom and the prosperity freedom makes possible.”

        AND

        “The First Amendment: Speech that is Protected

        “The rights of citizenship do not stop at the ballot box. They include the free speech right to devote one’s resources to whatever cause or candidate one supports. We oppose any restrictions or conditions that would discourage Americans from exercising their constitutional right to enter the political fray or limit their commitment to their ideals.”

        Source:
        http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf (pages 1 & 12)

        TY again for your response.

    • OnPointComments

      I’ll take Little Prince Reebus over batsh_t crazy DNC Chairperson Debbie Wasserman-Schultz any day of the week.

      • hennorama

        OnPointComments – TY for your response.

        Do you agree that Mr. Priebus’ ultimatum/blackmail is at odds with both the Republican party platform and the overriding conservative concepts of economic and political freedom, especially “let the market decide”?

        • OnPointComments

          I haven’t been able to give it much thought because I’m too caught up in the irony of liberals who decry the Citizens United case, which arose because of a film critical of Hillary Clinton, now wanting to embrace the airing of a miniseries that is rumored to sing her praises.

      • hennorama

        OPC – I also wish to add that I made no ad hominem attack on Mr. Priebus. Your ad feminam attack on Ms. Wasserman-Schultz is a bit disappointing.

        • HonestDebate1

          So, much like any criticism of Obama is racist, any criticism of any woman is sexist and “little Prince Reebus” is a compliment.

          I think I get it now, thanks.

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – what a bizarre false comparison, as I have never posited anything even remotely similar to “any criticism of Obama is racist, any criticism of any woman is sexist…”

            I explained my rearrangement of Mr. Priebus’ name. It’s an unusual name, and my brain “sees” it as Prince Reebus. As stated previously, I have a natural quirk wherein I can “see” (and speak) mirror images of words and sentences without any special effort. This is simply another iteration of that quirk.

            Adding “Little” is a admittedly a bit snarky, but accurate, as the RNC chairperson is a bit diminutive. This is clearly shown in this photo, unless the other three guys are standing on a platfom, of course:

            http://media.salon.com/2012/08/cvn-priebus-senate.jpeg-1280×960.jpg

          • HonestDebate1

            OPC’s comment had nothing to do with sex, it was about crazy incompetence. Guys do that too. You injected sex. Much like, much like, much like (didn’t want you to miss it) injecting racism.

            And I guess Prince was meant as a compliment as was Reebus. Of course that’s nit his name. Such respect is impressive. Just own up dude. Take off the tutu.

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – Dude, you have gone completely off the rails. I have neither “injected sex” nor “inject[ed] racism.”

            The term ad feminan is merely the equivalent to ad hominem. I simply thought OPC was above the use of such attacks, nothing more. I respect OPC and simply was expressing my disappointment in the use of “batsh_t crazy.”

            As stated, I have a quirk, and difficulty with Mr. Priebus’ name. Even now I first typed “Riebus,” even though I am fully aware of the issue. If you don’t believe me, I’ll simply direct you to the following comments:

            “Duras – I just can’t get my mind around the pronunciation of the RNC chairperson’s name, so I use “Prince Reebus” instead. For some reason, this also seems more fitting.”

            See:

            http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/01/25/week-in-the-news-229#comment-779371236

            And this one, from June:

            “I really enjoy words, especially anagrams. This may be because I have a natural quirk wherein I can “see” (and speak) mirror images of words and sentences without any special effort. It’s a bit weird but can be useful on occasion.

            .siht ekiL”

            See:

            http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/06/26/scotus-gay-marriage#comment-943502085

            If I was really trying to make fun of Mr. P. (that’s sooo much easier for me than Priebus), I could simply use a funny anagram of his name, such as Ice Sniper Rube or Eerier Spin Cub.

            You really should try to get back on the tracks, sir.

            Your other demerits:

            1. OPC did not use the word “incompetence” in his post, therefore your claim that “it was about crazy incompetence” is evidence of a reading comprehension issue.

            2. “Of course that’s nit his name.” Hmmm … a typo, or a Freudian slip about the “minor shortcoming” of Mr. P’s diminutive stature?

          • HonestDebate1

            You didn’t say ad hominem, you said ad feminam. you injected sex.

            I can’t say it but I can spell it. Sorry you have no control over what you write, that’s sad. You should see someone about that. I know, I’m a doctor with 70 years experience.

          • hennorama

            1Bad Stone, Thee – TYFYR.

            Actually, if you wish to be literal (I “literally never” do, but perhaps YOU do), I wrote BOTH ad hominem and ad feminam:

            “OPC – I also wish to add that I made no ad hominem attack on Mr. Priebus. Your ad feminam attack on Ms. Wasserman-Schultz is a bit disappointing.”

            Be that as it may, either attack is the same in my view; neither is worse or better. Describing Ms. Wasserman-Schultz as “batsh_t crazy” can be described as either an ad hominem or an ad feminam attack. They are equivalent, sir. The fact that the target of one’s attack is female does not automatically make the attack “sexist,” in the same way that INTRAracial crime is not automatically racist.

            It’s kinda simple. You can look it up, or just click this link:

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20feminam

            As to the remainder of your post, allow me to respond with equivalent value:
            .
            .
            .
            .
            .

            TYAFYR.

          • HonestDebate1

            “The fact that the target of one’s attack is female does not automatically make the attack sexist…”

            The fact that the target of one’s attack is female does not automatically make the attack ad femenam.

            You are cranky, Is it your time of the month? That’s ad femenam.

          • hennorama

            1 Bad Stone, Thee – one realizes that you have difficulty holding the idea of multiple valid usages of words in your mind. Keep practicing.

        • OnPointComments

          If the tin foil hat fits over the kinky pomaded hair, she will wear it.

          • hennorama

            If the foo shiiits, you must acquit.

  • burroak

    Speaking of sport, regarding the latest chapter in America’s sport-doping-society, why hasn’t sport organizations levied severe punishment for doping; there are harsh penalties if someone cheats on a bar exam, commits perjury, plagiarism, or drunk driving.
    Here is an idea: the “Once Caught” rule; if any athlete, in any sport, wants to cheat the sport via doping, that is fine, dope away, however if you get caught, you are permanently banned from that sport, immediately. And your salary, up to that point is valid, but upon being caught, it becomes void.
    It is unfortunate that the sporting world has become littered with dope-heads that cheapen the beauty of high-quality competition.
    When a sport is played fairly by athletes who work hard and practice, practice, practice, it is there that talent genuinely shines.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Speaking of Schadenfreude, can there be such a thing as too much of it?

    I mean, after what Jeffrey Fricking Loria did to the Montreal Expos, plenty of people wished him poorly. But did the backwash of Loria being Loria have to include destroying all the baseball fans in greater Miami, for such a big sum?

  • jim_thompson

    RNC chairman Preibus describes the GOP presidential debates of 2012 as a travelling circus. I wholeheartedly agree. I am sure that the same Preibus description will apply to the 2016 crop of GOP candidates as well.

    • OnPointComments

      How quickly they forget the endless 2008 Democratic presidential campaign, and the 26 teleprompter-less Democratic Presidential Debates from 2008. It provided us with notable candidates John “How’s my hair look” Edwards and his mistress Rielle Hunter; Chris “Just because I’m in the Banking Committee doesn’t mean I knew it was a low rate loan” Dodd; and Dennis “Illegal aliens come to the US in UFOs” Kucinich. Hillary’s campaign premonition of the 2 a.m. phone call came on September 11, 2012 in Benghazi, and President Obama was nowhere to be found. Candidate Obama wore himself out travelling to 57 states; I think it was in 53rd state of South Georida that he visited the visited the gulf port cities of Charleston, Savannah, and Jacksonville that he mentioned to Jay Leno on Wednesday night.

      • HonestDebate1

        Nice, it’s almost too easy.

      • StilllHere

        An instant classic.

    • tbphkm33

      I have high hopes that Chris Christie will shake the GOP out of the pre-canned doldrums in 2016. Or at least keep his competition on their toes. I might not like everything Christie stands for, but I have respect for him standing up to his convictions. There is a need for more politician’s like him on both sides of the aisle.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Latest Obama voodoo econ – he wants to privatize fanny and freddy.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2013/0808/If-Obama-eliminates-Fannie-Mae-Freddie-Mac-will-mortgage-rates-go-up

    Geez, just what we need, total control of housing by the criminals in the financial sector.

    Is anyone still calling him a liberal socialist?

    • HonestDebate1

      Of course she was vilified at the time but Obama is wise to take Sarah Palin’s advice.

      http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57081

      • TomK_in_Boston

        Bad advice, but the socialist lib is definitely indistinguishable by his actions from palin-level policy.

      • hennorama

        canadafreepress? Wow.

        Way to find a reputable source there, Greggie.

        • HonestDebate1

          And that has what to do with the fact, yes fact, that Sarah Palin was ridiculed for being right? And it has what to do with the fact that Obama is embracing her notion?

          And what do you have against Canadians? Or free press?

          http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/06/flashback-when-palin-said-fanniefreddie-were-too-expensive-to-taxpayers-in-08-it-was-a-gaffe/

          http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/07/Palin-Calls-Out-Media-on-Fannie-Freddie-Now-Do-You-Get-It

          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3052240/posts

          Here’s what you get from huffpo:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/08/palin-makes-her-first-gaf_n_124792.html

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – TYFYR.

            You must be joking. You wrote “…the fact, yes fact, that Sarah Palin was ridiculed for being right”

            Really? Sarah Palin was ridiculed for many things, but “for being right” was not one of them.

            Unless you meant “right” as in “a far right conservative politician who was completely out of her depth and not ready for prime time,” of course. She definitely was ridiculed for THAT.

            As to the rest of your comment – I have nothing against either Canada or a free press.

            “canadafreepress,” however, is at best a questionable and slanted source. That you consider it and a long list of other similarly questionable and slanted sources to be reliable and reputable enough to link to is your issue, not mine, sir.

            Of course, given your history of quoting white separatist pseudo-statistics, this is merely par for the course.

          • HonestDebate1

            Thomas Sowell is not a white separatist. Neither is Larry Elders. You are the only one who goes to those sites. The rest of us think they are deplorable.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            “The rest of us..”

            More words from righties that signal “not worth the effort continuing”.

            Along with “we can all agree”.

          • HonestDebate1

            I was actually including you with the us. You don’t go to those sites like hen does, do you?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Yeah, include me out (h/t Sam Goldwyn).

            Any common sense thing you may stumble upon is something I’m already at.

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – what an interesting and boringly repetitive deflection of the fact that you quoted white separatist pseudo-statistics, for weeks on end, without citing a source of your claims.

            It’s also notable that you post links to the nativist website Center for Information Studies (CIS), and various other similar sites.

            For those who don’t know, CIS was founded by John Tanton, who wrote these little gems:

            “I’ve come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that.”

            “Do we leave it to individuals to decide that they are the intelligent ones who should have more kids? And more troublesome, what about the less intelligent, who logically should have less? Who is going to break the bad news [to less intelligent individuals], and how will it be implemented?” – from a 1996 letter to now-deceased eugenicist Robert K. Graham.

            See:
            http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/john-tanton
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Klark_Graham
            http://www.slate.com/articles/life/seed/2001/02/the_genius_babies_and_how_they_grew.html

            CIS is currently headed by Mark Krikorian. The SPLC says this about him:

            “In 2007 … Krikorian accepted an invitation to speak at the Michigan State University chapter of Young Americans for Freedom. It apparently didn’t bother him that MSU-YAF had been widely covered in the media for a series of nasty stunts — staging a “Catch an Illegal Immigrant Day,” holding a “Koran Desecration” competition, and posting “Gays Spread AIDS” fliers across campus. He also didn’t seem to mind being part of the same speakers series that included Nick Griffin, a Holocaust denier who heads the extremist British National Party, and Jared Taylor, who says blacks are incapable of civilization.”

            See:
            http://www.splcenter.org/publications/the-nativist-lobby-three-faces-of-intolerance/cis-the-independent-think-tank

            And yes, that is the same Jared Taylor who published ‘The Color Of Crime,” which is the white separatist publication that is the original source of your white separatist pseudo-statistics, sir.

          • HonestDebate1

            I read your first paragraph and got queazy at the dishonesty so I stopped.

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – right, of course, sure. What a crock.

            Please prove the “dishonesty” of my first paragraph sir.

            Here are the salient points for you to disprove:

            1. Your post was boringly repetitive.
            2. Your post was a deflection.
            3. It is a fact that you quoted white separatist pseudo-statistics.
            4. It is a fact that you quoted white separatist pseudo-statistics for weeks on end.
            5. It is a fact that you quoted white separatist pseudo-statistics without citing a source of your claims.

            Are you now taking lessons from Sen. Rand Paul, who won’t respond to questions about his association with “Southern Avenger” Jack Hunter?

            Perhaps you simply need to be more “manly” and grow a pair.

          • HonestDebate1

            1 That’s your opinion
            2 Ditto
            3 It’s your opinion (a sick one) that they are white separatist pseudo statistics.
            4 ditto
            5 ditto

            To take the fact, yes fact, that blacks are far far far more likely to get hurt or killed by blacks than whites and reduce the truth to accusations of racism from stats repeated by black guys is dishonest, disgusting and sick. If you want to accuse me of deflection for not engaging in your racist rhetoric, fine.

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – perhaps it’s that ol’ RC issue again. You wrote, “I read your first paragraph and got queazy at the dishonesty,” yet fail to demonstrate any dishonesty.

            So much for so-called “honest” debate from you.

          • HonestDebate1

            “To take the fact, yes fact, that blacks are far far far more likely to get hurt or killed by blacks than whites and reduce the truth to accusations of racism from stats repeated by black guys is dishonest…”

            And BTW regarding my manliness, I’m not giving up my pink tutu.

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – Sheesh, more nonsense. Again, RC is an issue. I wrote “you fail to demonstrate any dishonesty.” not “you fail to opine.”

            Allow me to patiently point out a few things, again.

            I have never disputed that the vast majority of violent crime is INTRAracial. In fact I have specifically written in the OP forum that “the vast majority of violent crimes are INTRAracial” at least twice, verbatim, and have quoted various statistics from the FBI and elsewhere to back up the point.

            I have never accused anyone of racism. In fact, I’ve chided others for the use of the loaded word “bigot.” I also wrote this:

            “Hello, my name is [hennorama] and I’m a racist. I’ve been in recovery for many, many years, however.”

            I do not use racist rhetoric.

            I have tracked down the original source of your repeated claims, to a publication from a self-described “white separatist,” Jared Taylor. To do so, I waded through numerous unsavory sources to uncover the original source. The reason this was necessary is because YOU made the following claims, repeatedly:

            “Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then [sic] vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.”

            The following is your first mention of this claim, back in June:

            “If you want to talk about race then be honest and confront the fact that black on white racism is a far worse problem today that the inverse. Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites than vice versa,”

            See:
            http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/06/21/week-taliban-nsa-immigration

            From Jared Taylor’s New Century Foundation 2005 publication ‘The Color Of Crime’, page 2:

            “• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.”

            See:
            http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf
            http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html
            http://www.colorofcrime.com/

            Because Mr. Taylor has described himself as a “racialist” and a “white separatist,” and because I’ve previously chopped these claims into confetti, I’ve dubbed these specific claims as “white separatist pseudo-statistics.”

            YOU quoted them, sir, MISquoted them actually, making them unequivocal.

            Perhaps you simply are embarrassed to be associated with the fact that your claims originated with a white separatist publication. But you have never once repudiated, renounced, disowned or otherwise indicated any disagreement with these claims, or the source publication, sir.

            That is YOUR issue, not mine.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            So you think that if Obama does something it must be right? I would never have guessed.

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t subscribe to the theory that I can decide what is best by who supports it. I like to look at the issue instead of the party. Credit where credit is due. It had to be humiliating for Obama but he did good.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            It’s insane. With the RICO financial institutions a cancer on the USA, getting gvt out of home financing is that last thing we should be doing.

            (as with any reference to “insane” policy, unless the aim is class warfare.)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    More “death panel” crap from…The Hill?

    The Hill? When did they start being inbred hacks? What the hell?

    • HonestDebate1

      Krackpot Krugman says death panels are a must.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Ah, the anti-Pole Star chimes in.

        • HonestDebate1

          Yes he did and that’s what he said, we need death panels.

          • jefe68

            You sound like a 10 year old having a hissy fit, complete with the stamping of feet.

          • HonestDebate1

            I’m having the time of my life.

          • HonestDebate1

            Oh come on, who takes this clown seriously?

            Republicans aren’t stupid?
            Hmmmm, they sure do seem bent on proving you wrong.

            Stupid is as stupid does.

            Nope. I just don’t like your lame ass act.

            Wow, people who know other people do bad things.
            The bottom feeder returns.

            You should talk.

            The voice of the philistine.

            But the bottom feeders are out in droves.

            Oh the inanity.
            I’m having a Travis Buckle moment in context your inane comment.

            I was thinking the same thing about you.

            I second that. No he’s a tool and a half.

      • brettearle

        I’ll be giving you a reasonable reply–at some point soon [which is more than I can say for Obama and Putin and Putin and Obama].

        Death Panels are gross overblown chards of propaganda–ignited by Palin & Co.

        This came from Emmanuel’s brother’s medical journal research on Triage during a WMD, Biowarfare attack.

        Check it out. That’s where this crap started.

        Krugman’s points, i have not read, as yet.

        But it is the exaggerated extreme of the whole understandable problem of Health Care Proxy/Living Will Intent/End-of-Life Suffering/Medical Heroics.

        It is my understanding that the issue for the Affordable Care Act goes into such counseling for people.

        THAT is reasonable. THAT is not Death Panels.

        I’ve been through it.

        Other questions to consider:

        If someone is suffering–near the end of their life–should they be given a chance at treatment that might prolong their life–but not end their suffering or perhaps even increase their suffering…especially if the procedure has a low success rate?

        • HonestDebate1

          How a patient wants to handle end of life issues is their business. It’s between the patient, their God, their family and their chosen doctor. The last thing we need is for government to get involved.

          • jimino

            So you would agree that proper health care should require this be addressed by the medical providers? If so, you agree with how the ACA treats the matter.

          • HonestDebate1

            That’s loaded. If the counselor and the treatment are being paid for by the government then is the counselor working in the best interest of their employer or the patient? It’s an inherent conflict.

          • J__o__h__n

            You left out their insurance company.

          • HonestDebate1

            As long as the government is not the insurance company the patient can choose their insurance company and how much coverage they want to pay for.

          • J__o__h__n

            So many great choices and with such equal bargaining power.

          • HonestDebate1

            Just mix up a little tort reform, interstate commerce, tax benefits like HSA’s and then add an economy where people can have good jobs (full-time) with upward mobility, sprinkle with a healthy dose of freedom and let them keep most of the fruits of their labor. Voila!

          • J__o__h__n

            Tort reform doesn’t save much money. If we had sufficient national standards for regulation, I’d have no problem with more interstate commerce but I don’t want a race to the bottom to the state that becomes the Delaware of banks or the Alabama of nearly everything else. Good jobs and upward mobility aren’t the results of anything you have advocated for in the past.

          • HonestDebate1

            I think tort reform could be huge, there’s no way to measure how much it would save. I think Delaware has been good for consumers but I do think the unintended consequence is too much personal debt. I’ve always advocated for good jobs and upward mobility but it can’t happen with Obamacare. Jobs come from someone putting their money at risk to make a profit but in this climate you’d have to be a fool to do so. That’s what we are seeing.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Hahaha! Tortreform!

            That’s so cool. I have an extra quarter million, can I gouge out one of your eyes for it?

            Cos that’s what tort reform is: You give up your power, and corporations don’t.

          • HonestDebate1

            Tort reform can mean a lot of things.

          • brettearle

            The Government makes no mandate.

            To enhance communication, voluntarily, is not a bad thing.

            Do you know how many families wish they had had better communications for these kinds of inevitable tragedies?

            The medical community vs personal family conscience can make things difficult: There is much gray area.

            Especially if there is no prior preparation.

            I have not heard any of this to be compulsory.

            “Compulsory” is how I define Government interference.

  • 2Gary2

    I doubt Putin gives a rip about what barak goldman sachs obummer thinks. I am so disgusted at what a moderate republican obummer is.

    Time top vote green I guess.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Patrick (no relation to plain Patrick Henry) McHenry had a Town Hall Meeting. But he didn’t plan on having a real meeting with real constituents!

    Thirty people swiftly moved into lines on either side of a packed ArtSpace Charter School auditorium to ask questions of their new congressman — some of them pointed and many of them about Obamacare.

    They all wanted direct answers from the congressman Wednesday evening, and many of them, including Skip Edwards, questioned the Republican’s position on the Affordable Care Act.

    Note the difference between this and Teabagger’s playbook of Artificially Inflate Your Numbers, Be Disruptive Early And Often, Try To Rattle Him, Not Have An Intelligent Debate.

    • HonestDebate1

      McHenry is a stand up guy, God bless him.

      So what source did you trust without attribution? Crooks and Liars? It sounds like one selfish family wanted their bills paid for them. Terrific.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Well, the “one selfish family” sounds like you’ve got all the happy shat you need on the subject.

        Is there anyone you like who isn’t a jerkwad? You have a track record.

        • HonestDebate1

          I like the harmless lovable fuzzball Rush Limbaugh. Who do you like?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            I dunno, someone who’s not a drug-addled aswipe sex tourist who tells me what’s moral?

            As Rush would say: HD, are you a goat molestor? The question’s out there. You have every opportunity to deny it.

          • HonestDebate1

            At one time I had 47 goats. I’d buy them at the sale on Thursdays when they were cheap. They cleared 20 acres of brambles in 3 months. The Mexicans around here pay top dollar for them at Easter. I love goats, the babies are cute… and they are tasty too.

            BTW, Rush isn’t drug addled but I hear Obama was passed out drunk the night of Benghazi. He’s had every opportunity to deny it.

          • J__o__h__n

            I heard there is a really good book on pet goats.

          • jimino

            As Condi might suggest: “Maybe we should take him out now. We wouldn’t want the smoking gun to be finding out later he was a serial killer and molester.”

          • HonestDebate1

            Wow, are you proud of that?

          • jimino

            So you would agree that making up some hypothetical BS as a purported reason to take some drastic action is intellectually dishonest? Or only if it’s about you?

          • HonestDebate1

            If that was your point then yea, absolutely but it’s not about me.

          • jefe68

            I like Noam Chomsky and Harold Zinn.

          • HonestDebate1

            Good for you.

      • jefe68

        You are a f’n lier. The man was asking an honest question about why McHenry did not support the ACA. Skip Edwards and his wife, both 63, had health insurance until he lost his job during the recession and the East Asheville couple found themselves in financial trouble despite staying relatively healthy.

        He and his wife had pre-existing conditions and were denied insurance, making them eligible for a state plan called Inclusive Health which cost them $1300 a month.

        You and Rush do have a lot in common, you’re both bottom feeders.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Am I the only one who wanted to ask anyone inside the Beltway on public radio about ABC’s crap telemovie “The Road to 9/11″?

    Because if one steps outside the mainstream Rolodex, one may remember

    It was supposed to be based on the bipartisan 9/11 Commission report, but it wasn’t. ABC/Disney dropped that claim before it aired.

    It was supposed to be historically accurate, but it wasn’t. ABC/Disney dropped that claim as well.

    And it was supposed to make ABC/Disney look good by
    putting this tragedy into a fair historical perspective, but it didn’t.

    Even ABC/Disney is hard pressed to pretend otherwise.

    Problems with PT911 were apparent more than a year ago when not one, but two former FBI agents refused to work as advisors on the project because of factual inaccuracies the producers refused to correct. Thomas E. Nicoletti, was hired by the film’s producers in July 2005, but left after less than a month because of scenes he called, “total fiction” in a
    Sep. 8 New York Times article. Dan Coleman, turned down the job in advance.

    “They sent me the script, and I read it and told them they had to be kidding,” Coleman told the Times. “I wanted my friends at the FBI to still speak to me.”

    But EvenTheLiberal public radio seems to have disappeared the memory of this.

  • StilllHere

    I thought this was interesting. I’m hoping the usuals will withhold their ad hominems until they’ve read it, but feel free to “vote down” all you want if it makes you feel better.
    Russia’s Federal Guard Service, which is charged with protecting secret documents, will spend about $15,000 on new electric typewriters, according to Britain’s Telegraph newspaper. With several scandals related to the distribution of secret documents, Russia has decided to expand the practice of creating paper documents. According to the newspaper, documents made on a typewriter can be traced back to the exact typewriter on which they were written through the typewriter’s individual printing pattern, making the documents easier to track. Sensitive documents for Russian President Vladimir Putin and the defense minister are already issued exclusively on paper.

    • HonestDebate1

      I’m not sure if it’s funny, practical or dumb but you’re definitely right, it’s interesting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cacimbo-Smith/1142235495 Cacimbo Smith

    The White house press pool has behaved like lap dogs for President Obama and that is how he treats them. The notion they might ask him more challenging questions then Leno did is sadly absurd.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      I’m sorry, the WHPC which includes Conservative News (sic) Service, plus a bunch of scaredy-pants pissers mainstreamers who agreed that Fox News should get into the pool because they’re “journalists”?

      Yeah, look elsewhere.

  • brettearle

    It’s probably already been covered today…..

    But the Times reported, yesterday, that Putin hates Obama’s guts.

    That isn’t an exact quote. But the gist of the comment, from a named source, is somewhat equivalent to that.

    The implication is that it’s a “guy thing”. Obama may not be macho enough for Poooo-teeeen.

  • J__o__h__n

    They didn’t mention the new Doctor was announced.

  • HonestDebate1
  • 1Brett1

    All of this talk about “death panels”…There has always been rationing regarding health care insurance/medical procedures and there will always be rationing, the ACA does not represent any sea change in that realm. In fact, it represents less rationing, e.g., pre-existing conditions once denied, lifetime caps on money once spent for an individual, insurance companies dropping an individual for any reason anytime, etc.; those kinds of rationing no longer exist.

    Also. there has been a shift in distortions regarding the “death panels” meme on the part of neocons. The Palin-esque version had ObamaCare sending bureaucrats to grandma’s house to tell her the government was sending out a Dr. Kavorkian to end her life. In reality the discussions a patient once had with his/her doctor about end of life decisions, the kind of discussions that went on long before the ACA was passed into law, were once denied insurance coverage, either private or through Medicare/Medicaid. Under the ACA, that consultation is now covered, and it is an important conversation for patient and doctor to have, e.g., whether or not patient wishes to resuscitated after tragedy strikes, etc. There is no interference or second guessing of that consultation on the part of the government. The government will not deny coverage for anything said in that consultation (and there hasn’t been single case of that happening).

    Necons have created distortions [read: lies] about both rationing and about end of life counseling regarding the ACA. It is all only a tactic to scare people and discredit the ACA.

    • J__o__h__n

      Nonexistent death panels are something to be feared but assault weapons aren’t. Can you bring guns into hospitals? We need a lay your ground law.

      • HonestDebate1

        Assault weapons don’t kill people, death panels do. They send Dr. Kavorkian to grandma’s house just like Sarah Palin said over and over. How did you miss it, heck, how did I miss it?

        • 1Brett1

          Of course, you use “death panels” differently than Palin. You claim that end of life procedures put in writing by patients will not be honored because they aren’t cost effective, at least that is what you are implying. What did you say earlier about government insurance making different decisions than doctors and their patients because it isn’t in their best interest, or some such nonsense? as if some bureaucrat is looking at the results of an end-of-life consultation where, say, a patient is choosing to be resuscitated, should that come to pass, and pulling out a big stamp saying “DENIED!”

          Fact is, you are fear mongering and injecting your opinion about the ACA that has no basis in fact. Why? Because you don’t like the ACA or anything to do with Obama and you want to make it sound as bad as you can…such cheap, dimestore nonsense.

          • HonestDebate1

            A claim is what I claim and imply is when you tell me what I think.

            You make up a lot of stuff:

            “The Palin-esque version had ObamaCare sending bureaucrats to grandma’s house to tell her the government was sending out a Dr. Kavorkian to end her life.”

            “as if some bureaucrat is looking at the results of an end-of-life consultation where, say, a patient is choosing to be resuscitated, should that come to pass, and pulling out a big stamp saying “DENIED!”

            Total fiction. Nobody said any of that. Whatever, think what you want. The law sucks all by itself, I can’t make it sound any worse. Even Obama is delaying it.

          • 1Brett1

            I suppose if one doesn’t use the exact words you use one just makes things up? …if you had any courage you wouldn’t beat around the bush and say what you think about “death panels” as you call them. You use the term quite a bit, which is an opinion in and of itself.

            Then, of course, there’s this you said:

            “If the counselor and the treatment are being paid for by the government then is the counselor working in the best interest of their employer or the patient? It’s an inherent conflict.”

            What is that supposed to mean if not a kind of corruption and poor medical advice based on some kind of desire to put doctor or government “interests” above a patient’s, etc.?

            It’s not so much that I make things up, it’s that you make all sorts of comments that reveal your narrow, bigoted and ignorant opinions based on neocon talking points and not on any reality or anything that can substantiate your views on any number of topics, but if someone calls you on them, you weasel and wiggle around like the gutless coward that you are. Tantrum away, it doesn’t change your words and their meaning.

          • HonestDebate1

            A conflict of interest needn’t be realized in practice to say the conflict exists and is not prudent. I don’t expect you to understand.

          • 1Brett1

            The conflict of interest doesn’t magically disappear because a system is handled by private corporations; In fact, there is more potential because profit is the greatest motivator for those kinds of conflict.

          • HonestDebate1

            It disappears when consumers can choose.

          • 1Brett1

            That is a naive statement, even for you. For one thing, the top four or five insurance companies control all of insurance rates and “best” practices. There isn’t much of a choice if all companies practice the same policies, and they do, irrespective of any “ObamaCare.”

          • HonestDebate1

            Speaking of the top 4 or 5, as Rush pointed out in the link I posted, Blue Cross, Aetna, United and Humana are all bailing on the Obamacare exchanges.

          • jefe68

            Dishonest Debate is little challenged in the gray matter, that’s his preexisting condition.

          • HonestDebate1

            I have the grey cells of Hercule Poirot.

          • hennorama

            1Bad Stone, Thee – this explains everything! You are brain-dead.

            Mr. Poirot died due to a heart attack in 1975, when ‘Curtain: Poirot’s Last Case’ was first published in the UK. The NY Times published his obit on its front page on August 6, 1975.

            See:
            http://www.poirot.us/obituary.php

            (Tongue firmly in cheek as to the above)

        • 1Brett1

          Yeah, Trayvon Martin was killed by a death panel! Sure, that’s it.

          • HonestDebate1

            huh?

    • TomK_in_Boston

      The right screams about costs and then labels the common sense step of reviewing programs for effectiveness as “death panels”. What disgusting scum.

      You are exactly right that the worst rationing is with us right now, and it is being unable to afford care. The righty lie is that it’s great to have “freedom” to purchase what you can’t afford to purchase. The death panels are run by WellPoint and United Health.

      The right whines that bureaucrats will control our health care. Guess what, bureaucrats DO control our health care, the massive bureaucracies of the private insurance companies. I’d rather deal with a civil servant than a private insurance bureaucrat who gets a bonus for denying care.

      Does anyone really believe that it’s a coincidence that the most privatized system produces the shortest lives and the highest costs?

      • 1Brett1

        Well put! I particularly liked, “The righty lie is that it’s great to have “freedom” to purchase what you can’t afford to purchase.”

        I would too rather deal with a civil servant than a private enterprise numbskull who is paid bonuses to deny me a claim!

      • HonestDebate1

        How’s that $950 billion revenue neutral price tag and the $2500 savings on premiums working out?

        • HonestDebate1

          Crickets.

  • HonestDebate1

    I think Obama just stepped in it with his very last comment at the press conference. I’ve got to get a transcript.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Really a piece of work. Quite a contrast to JFK.

      • HonestDebate1

        It was hard to watch especially when he started talking about Obamacare and the potential shut down, I had to force myself.

    • hennorama

      Transcripts and video are available all over the place. Here’s the last Q & A:

      “PRESIDENT OBAMA: Fairly recently, yeah. Probably right before they left.

      OK. Scott Horsley.

      Q: Thank you, Mr. President.

      Part of the political logic behind immigration reform was the strong showing by Latino voters last November, you know. That doesn’t seem to resonate with a lot of House Republicans, who represent overwhelmingly white districts. What other political leverage can you bring to bear to help move a bill in the house?

      PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, we’ve got an economic report that shows that our economy would be a trillion dollars stronger if we got immigration reform done. We’ve got evidence that our housing market would be stronger if immigrants are in a situation in which, having paid a fine, having paid back taxes, that they now have the ability to actually enter into the housing market. We’ve got strong evidence that our technological and research edge would be better if we get immigration reform done. We know that the Senate bill strengthens border security, puts unprecedented resources on top of the unprecedented resources I’ve already put into border security. So if your main priority is border security, I think you’d want to vote for this bill. We know that the Senate bill creates a system in which employers are held accountable for when they hire undocumented workers. This is something that people say is a bad thing. I agree.

      Let’s make sure that that system for holding employers accountable is in place.

      So when I hear the opposition to immigration reform, I just run through the list of things that are concerned about, I look at what the Senate bill does, and I say to myself, you know what, the Senate bill actually improves the situation on every issue that they say they’re concerned about.

      Now, what they may argue is it doesn’t solve the problem a hundred percent. I don’t know a law that solves a problem a hundred percent. Social Security lifted millions of seniors out of poverty, but there are still some poor seniors. The Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act drastically reduced discrimination in America, but there’s still discrimination. That doesn’t make them bad laws. It just means that there are very few human problems that are a hundred percent solvable.

      So, you know, what I see right now is a strong bipartisan vote coming out of the Senate. I think that the speaker and others have said they need to do something. And I’d urge, when they get back, to do something. Put forward a bill that has an opportunity to actually pass. It may not be precisely what’s in the Senate bill. My preference would be for them to go ahead and call the Senate bill, but if they’ve got some additional ideas, I think the Senate’s happy to consider them.

      And get that bill on the floor. Put it up for a vote. I am absolutely certain that the votes for the Senate bill, which strengthens border security, demands responsibility from undocumented workers to pay a fine, pay a penalty, get to the back of the line, reforms our legal immigration system, holds employers accountable — I am absolutely confident that if that bill was on the floor of the House, it would pass.

      So the — the challenge right now is not that there aren’t a majority of House members, just like a majority of Senate members, who aren’t prepared to support this bill. The problem is internal Republican Caucus politics.

      And that’s what the American people don’t want us to be worrying about. Don’t worry about your Washington politics. Solve problems. And this is one where you’ve actually got some pretty broad consensus. I don’t know an issue where you’ve got labor, the Chamber of Commerce, evangelicals, student groups, you name it, supportive of the bill. Let’s get it done.

      All right? Thank you very much, everybody.”

      See:

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-president-obamas-august-9-2013-news-conference-at-the-white-house/2013/08/09/5a6c21e8-011c-11e3-9a3e-916de805f65d_story.html

  • HonestDebate1

    h/t Hennorama

    From the end of Obama’s presser:

    “And this is one where you’ve actually got some pretty broad consensus. I don’t know an issue where you’ve got labor, the Chamber of Commerce, evangelicals, student groups, you name it, supportive of the bill.”

    It jumped out at me. He was talking about support for immigration reform but if you consider opposition to Obamacare the same consensus exists.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      You’re out of ammo. All I hear with that overreach is the sound of a gun going “click click click” when the the trigger is pulled.

      • HonestDebate1

        I thought it was a brilliant observation and am astonished you don’t agree.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      We know Obama isn’t an honest broker. He also has poor leadership skills.

      Notice how he deflected the question about his taking responsibility for shutting down the government in an Obamacare funding showdown. He doesn’t like when he can’t define the narrative and he NEVER takes responsibility.

    • hennorama

      1 Bad Stone, Thee – Talk about odd coinkydinks, sir.

      While doing research about Mark Krikorian, the current head of one of your sources – the nativist Center for Information Studies (CIS) – I noticed Mr. Krikorian’s use of “h/t,” in the context of attribution of a source. My brain interpreted this as “here’s to” the source. I didn’t bother looking for any other possible meaning for h/t, as my interpretation fit the context.

      Imagine my surprise seeing “h/t” next to my moniker, from you. As I didn’t want to assume anything about your meaning, I delved into “h/t,” and found “hat tip.”

      This of course led me to Stephen Colbert, and his recurring “Tip Of The Hat/Wag Of The Finger” segment.

      This Tip/Wag seems appropriate for you, Gregg:

      http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/427788/july-16-2013/tip-wag—non-rioting-black-people—fox-news

      Mr. Colbert’s line “A Wag Of My Finger at non-rioting black people” was priceless.

      Now to your post, sir.

      A Wag Of My Finger, for truncatiing the President’s words. I’ll put brackets around what you quoted, inside the full quote, in context. The President said:

      “So the — the challenge right now is not that there aren’t a majority of House members, just like a majority of Senate members, who aren’t prepared to support this bill. The problem is internal Republican Caucus politics.

      And that’s what the American people don’t want us to be worrying about. Don’t worry about your Washington politics. Solve problems. [And this is one where you've actually got some pretty broad consensus. I don't know an issue where you've got labor, the Chamber of Commerce, evangelicals, student groups, you name it, supportive of the bill.] Let’s get it done.”

      Comparing Obamacare, which has been the law of the land since it was signed into law on March 23, 2010, and later confirmed by the SCOTUS, to immigration reform, which is stuck in the House, is not valid.

      Unless you somehow believe a law that is nearly three and a half years old is similar to a proposal that is not a law.

      That’s a bit like the fact of the International Space Station in Earth orbit, versus Newt Gingrich saying “By the end of my second term, we will have the first permanent base on the moon, and it will be American.”

      See:

      http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/main/index.html

      http://www.space.com/14363-newt-gingrich-space-moon-colony-mars.html

      No comment as to which finger I’m wagging.

      • HonestDebate1

        Okay fine, next time I won’t be gracious when you provide the context. No problem.

        I kinda saw your reference to CIS in another comment, I think. I don’t really read all of what you write all of the time. Sometimes I just skip them altogether. I don’t feel compelled to justify my views to you.

        I don’t even know when I may have cited them if ever. I can’t relate to the notion of endorsing or dismissing views based on who expresses them. I just go with what makes sense. I know that’s a tough concept for an ideologue to grasp.

        What else does labor, the Chamber of Commerce, evangelicals, student groups, you name it agree on? Not much. The consensus is the consensus, that’s all.

        • hennorama

          1 Bad Stone, Thee – TYFYR. And TY for your h/t.

          One supposes “gracious” is in the eye of the beholder. I’ll give you credit for courtesy, and for seeing the wisdom in my habit of thanking people for their responses.

          As to CIS – you posted a link to their site only 4 days ago, sir. See: http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/08/05/obamacare#comment-989305604

          When you wrote “I don’t even know when I may have cited them if ever.” did you recall that you have also written “I [Gregg Smith] don’t post anything without verifying”?

          Which of your two statements, if either, is the reader to believe?

          I’d repeat my concerns about your memory, but you seem to be offended by them. Despite your objections, in all seriousness, you should check out the links between ammonia exposure, which as you know is common in horse barns, and memory loss. See:
          http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000302.htm
          http://www.ecmagazine.net/Vol6_1/AmmoniaBeware.htm

          DISCLAIMER: I am not a health care professional and any advice offered or concern expressed should not be interpreted as medical advice.

          But seriously, check it out.

          =========

          Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

          I’m not in any way proposing or supporting “the notion of endorsing or dismissing views based on who expresses them.” However, when it’s clear that a source has a particular agenda/slant/bias, it’s incumbent upon anyone who quotes and/or cites such a source to do as the Russian proverb (which President/Saint Ronald Reagan appropriated) says – “Доверяй но Проверяй, which phonetically is Doveryai no Proveryai” (Trust but Verify).

          One suggests that you seek out audio of the Russian proverb, as it is nicely rhythmic. There are a number of sites where this is available, such as http://www.bing.com/translator and http://translate.google.com/ .

          ==========

          You wrote “I just go with what makes sense. I know that’s a tough concept for an ideologue to grasp.” Presumably, you mark me as “an ideologue.” Please correct any inaccuracy in this presumption.

          I am indeed “an ideologue” in the sense of being a “GOODidea-ologue.” I’m not wedded to any ideology other than logic and reason. You may have missed it, but I have written such things as:

          “Logic and politics are incompatible in our current hyper-partisan circumstances. Republicans must oppose the ACA and Medicaid expansion since it was put in place by Democrats. Therefore, it is evil, socialist and must be “repealed and replaced.” (Replaced with what is rarely detailed, since many provisions of the ACA, such as universal coverage, are widely popular.)

          “Republicans logically should love and support the ACA since it is primarily a private system, requiring individuals to be responsible by purchasing private health insurance. These are CONSERVATIVE ideas.”

          (this was written over one year ago. See: http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/08/01/fighting-medicaid-expansion#comment-606514115 )

          AND:

          “And it’s just amusing to point out that programs many Republicans and others are critical of have their origins in Republican administrations, or in Conservative think tanks. Good ideas can come from both sides, no? I find a great deal of the Heritage Foundation’s ideas intriguing, including on reforming Social Security, for example.”

          (this was written just after the 2012 elections. See:
          http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/11/09/week-in-the-news-221#comment-707395936 )

          AND:

          “As to spending – defense can certainly be reduced. I’d also want to look at Social Security and Medicare and definitely make them more means-tested. Mitt Romney, Warren Buffett, Donald Trump et al do not need Federal support from either of these programs. The Heritage Foundation has some interesting ideas on these programs, which I’d explore. Practically speaking, this will need to be put off until the next Congressional session, but there should be a commitment from both sides to work on these, especially Medicare, as it’s the more critical item.”

          (this was from last December. See: http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/12/04/the-liberal-take-on-the-fiscal-cliff#comment-728862086 )

          TY again FYR. And TY again for your h/t.

          • HonestDebate1

            By verify, I mean verify what is written not verify I agree with everything they have ever written and that I like the author.

            I think you need to see someone about your little problem. I say that as a medical professional, psychiatrist, veterinarian and accountant.

          • hennorama

            1 Bad Stone, Thee – TYFYR.

            You half-answered my question about whether you recalled that you had written “I [Gregg Smith] don’t post anything without verifying,” but did not answer “Which of your two statements, if either, is the reader to believe?”

            As you now write that “I mean verify what is written not verify I agree with everything they have ever written…” the question about CIS and your memory still stands. Presumably one must read something in order to “verify what is written,” and if one reads something, one is fairly likely to recall it a mere 4 days (now 5) hence, wouldn’t you agree?

            Following logically, this calls into question all of your following statements:

            “I don’t even know when I may have cited them [CIS] if ever.”

            “I [Gregg Smith] don’t post anything without verifying,”

            “By verify, I mean verify what is written not verify I agree with everything they have ever written and that I like the author.”

            So, the obvious question is – Did you “verify” the CIS link before you posted it 5 days ago? If so, do you find it unusual that you “don’t even know when I may have cited them [CIS] if ever?”

            ==========
            As to my “little problem” – if you are referring to my aforementioned quirk, I consider it an innate ability rather than a problem. It’s almost always advantageous, although on occasion it trips me up, such as when an ambulance is coming up behind my vehicle. Since most print ECNALUBMA on the front, I “read” it in the rearview mirror as “ECNALUBMA” and not AMBULANCE (sorry, I can’t reverse the characters, but you get the idea).

            Then there’s the ei-ie thing in Reince Priebus’ name. That’s a “brain-twister” for me, so I call him Prince Reebus. Until I did a web search just now, I had do idea that others did as well, with some variations (Prince Rebus, Rinse Prius, etc.)

            I suppose I could switch to Priince Reebus for consistency’s sake, but I doubt that would be viewed as more positive.

            TYAFYR.

          • HonestDebate1

            Do you dispute the link? The answers to your silly questions are not mutually exclusive. See here, I already knew about the issue from Rush (instant credibility and verification) so it was verified before I even found it.

            Now I do remember you posting some BS about Bush saying God told him to invade Iraq based on the word of a terrorist who had the same pre-conceived notions as you, But you didn’t verify it. You didn’t think to, you just ate it up.

          • hennorama

            1Bad Stone, Thee – keep trying to avoid the questions by deflecting and changing the subject. That’s such an “honest” debate tactic.

            Good luck with that.

          • HonestDebate1

            I answered. I don’t feel compelled to justify myself to a schoolmarm. Give your pop quiz to someone else.

          • hennorama

            Keep running away. It helps your argument immensely.

          • HonestDebate1

            I have no idea what you are even taking about, they’re both true. How much more plain can I be?

            I don’t even know when I may have cited them if ever.I don’t post anything without verifying.

          • HonestDebate1

            Look in the mirror. Man up you injected sex why are you contorting into a pretzel to run from your own words?

            BTW, the fact remains, DWS is a loon.

          • hennorama

            More deflection and attack. Well done. sir.

          • 1Brett1

            “I say that as a medical professional, psychiatrist, veterinarian and accountant.”

            Falsifying your credentials, AGAIN! One of these days your practice of conning and saying you are credentialed in something will get you into trouble. You know that don’t you?

          • HonestDebate1

            I’m also a blues player.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cacimbo-Smith/1142235495 Cacimbo Smith

    Beatty’s bubble is exceptionally well built for him to have never heard the term despise in regard to President Obama. Just because liberal media fails to report it – doesn’t mean it is not happening. Peak outside the bubble – see the protesters in Egypt marching with anti-Obama posters. in AFRICA Obama was greeted by protesters. America fairs worse in foreign polling then it did under the supposedly despised Bush. Time for Beatty to venture out a bit.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    @Jefe:

    The “elderly couple who spoke up at McHenry’s town hall” is not yet a story about our dysfunctional healthcare system.

    Let me say, “it’s not a story — yet”. It’s not a story until a few things happen:

    Until James Okeefe doctors the video.

    Until Fox Nation and Neal Cavuto go on the warpath lying about them.

    Until Matt Drudge puts on his flashing front page police light.

    Until Michele Malkin publishes this couple’s home address and says “Why doesn’t the media check their story out?”

    Until the ensuing 3a.m. anonymous phone calls, escalating to death threats.

    And then, finally then, our media may notice how the GOP has “won the optics” on this one.

  • 1Brett1

    What did Rust Limberger say today about pre-existing conditions? That they are “welfare, not insurance.” Of course, someone with a pre-existing condition is going to pay an arm and a leg each month for his/her insurance…but yeah, let’s call that welfare.

    That’s not fear-mongering, that’s hate-mongering. Ask a Rust Limberger devotee, and he’ll tell you he’s not a hate-monger, then he’ll go on to tell you about those lazy cancer patients just looking to get a government handout on his hard-earned horsesh*t shovelin’ dime while they pay $1300 a month for health insurance…no, there’s no hate-mongering there.

    • HonestDebate1

      Since Rush did not say that today you could not have been listening. My guess is you got fed a 30 second sound byte from Media Matters or someone like it.

      The comment was just an aside but he is absolutely right. Why on earth would anyone pay in until they are sick if pre-existing conditions are not prohibitive? So a grown man or woman of 27 who is no longer able to mooch of their parents (shameful but another issue) doesn’t pay a dime for 40 years and then is diagnosed with cancer at age 67. No problem, they buy insurance and everything is taken care of. That’s welfare, period, end of story. You can be told by a website to get all emotional and call pointing it out hate but that doesn’t change the fact. The actuarial tables don’t work. And BTW, that’s a big reason why premiums are going sky high. They have to.

      So, it’s very easy to get all worked up and sling vitriol all over everybody but it’s much harder to debate honestly the points the esteemed Mr. Limbaugh was making on the merits. Most don’t even try, they just let some website tell them why to think. That is clearly the case with you and don’t even try to deny it. You didn’t listen, the comments were yesterday not today. All you know is what you’ve been told. Maybe you’d freely admit you have no interest in listening as you insist on commenting anyway. Fine. But just in case I’m mistaken here’s the segment and 7 links for reference.

      http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/08/08/obamacare_cannot_work_by_design

      • 1Brett1

        Well, let’s see…you said that he said it yesterday and not today (such a distinction; I guess that blows me out of the water, huh?). You also said you agree with him (“The comment was just an aside but he is absolutely right.”)

        The rest of your rant is a little hard to parse, but I guess one can only truly understand Rush’s genius if one listens open-mindedly to him day after day, and for whole programs; otherwise, Rush’s exact words aren’t what they mean, yeah, sure, got it (not unlike the elusive meaning of your words, aye?)…You don’t deny he said them and albeit you agree with him “absolutely” and you have reiterated what I have said they mean, but they don’t mean any of that…okey dokey…and they weren’t said today, it was yesterday; ah, now, that changes their meaning entirely (that was sarcasm, by the way).

        Being a riddler is not the same thing as having anything intelligent or of value to say. Again, you seem a little gutless to come right out and say what you believe; I’d be ashamed too, I guess…

        Let’s see, about the rest…hmmm, oh, yeah, someone who is on their parents’ insurance is a” moocher.” Oh, and someone who has cancer and gets insurance is a welfare recipient, etc., blah, blah…yeah, pretty much what I said you are about regarding this issue; I guess Rush does all of your thinking for you. Then, again, to be fair, you never claimed to have any sense of propriety, compassion or empathy. Those are anathema to who is the HorneyDebater one; those qualities are for losers, suckers, those who wish to ruin this country, etc.

        Of course, most of your post presumes to know what I think and the fallacy of where I get my information; I’ll not speak to that nonsense.

        • HonestDebate1

          I didn’t think you could debate the merits so your response isn’t surprising but it is funny.

          You were told what to think by someone else. You didn’t hear it. That’s the only relevance to the statement. I didn’t just agree with his aside, I explained why. You just disagreed, slung some vitriol and didn’t explain why. See the difference? You didn’t address my analysis which was mine not Rush’s. You didn’t address what Rush said either.

          But the funniest part is this continued assumption I cannot relate to at all. You wrote: “I am making things up about your views being aligned with his”. Did I say that? No. See here’s the thing, If I agree with something someone says that doesn’t mean I agree with everything they say. Conversely, if I disagree vehemently with something someone says that doesn’t mean I don’t agree whole-heartedly with something else they might say. You never have gotten that, I suppose it must be the way you think. So by and large yes, my views align with Rush, I’ve never shied from that. I find it intellectually stimulating to disagree with him when I do. Slinging mud is not honest debate.

          You wrote: “Oh, and someone who has cancer and gets insurance is a welfare recipient”.

          Do you try to miss the point or is it an intelligence thing?

          • 1Brett1

            Your reply didn’t have anything to do with any “debate,” especially not one of honesty. Maybe you’re fooling yourself; that is your prerogative…one thing I am noticing that is usually included in your pat replies to me is the phrase, “did I say that.” This means, “did I use those exact words.” I usually stop reading as you are at the threshold of spinning something you meant or didn’t mean, and it doesn’t provide any clarity but more obfuscation.

            By the way, I’ve not seen you “vehemently” or otherwise disagree with Rush, except on some trivial point that is intended to make you look objective, which it’s clear you are a devotee and consider him a great thinker. Your argument–or whatever it is you mount—falls apart at the point when you even consider much of anything he says to be worthy of discussion or to extol its virtues.

          • HonestDebate1

            Stop telling me what I think and I’ll stop denying I said what you said I said or mean what you say I mean despite what I said.

            I raked Rush over the coals for calling the payroll tax a tax hike when he didn’t call the lowering of the rate a cut. It’s not a tax, it’s paying in to a program that pays you back. I raked him over the coals for calling any and all attempts at immigration reform amnesty. I’m pro-choice, he’s pro-life. There’s a few. But he is undeniably a great thinker.

            BTW, no need to explain how someone who never paid a dime into the system and get’s the same treatment as someone who did is not receiving welfare. Just say Rush is a hater, that’s all the ideologues around here need.

          • 1Brett1

            “Stop telling me what I think and I’ll stop denying I said what you said I said or mean what you say I mean despite what I said.”

            That is a classic!!!

            Insurance, by its very nature is unfair, because one will always pay into the system more than another….By the way , have you heard of an avalanche of people with cancer cashing in right now? If there are people signing up who have cancer, it is usually because they’ve been denied before or have previously been dropped by private insurance because of their diagnosis.

            Unless one is a ditto head, or whatever you devotees of Rust Limberger call yourselves, most folks see Rust as a hater, irrespective of the so-called “ideologues” here.

      • jefe68

        Wow, you really do have a very, very warped view of the world. An one I might add that seems to be lacking in empathy.

        Limbaugh is the disgusting excuse for a human being in my opinion. That you adore him so much says a lot about who you are. But hay, it’s not about you. Even though it is.

        • HonestDebate1

          Do you think it’s about me or not? Make up your mind.

          • jefe68

            I think your opinions, despite that you it’s not about you, say a lot about who you are. See above and parse it however you may seem fit.

          • HonestDebate1

            Try to get me out of your head.

          • StilllHere

            The guy is a waste of time, you should ignore.

          • 1Brett1

            “you tell ‘em , Gregg. Raugh!”

            (By the way, who cleans your cage? Is it Gregg?)

          • jefe68

            Trolls like living in filth.

          • HonestDebate1

            We live under bridges.

          • jefe68

            In filth.

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t know, I like making Jefe do tricks almost as much as you like making Brett do tricks.

          • jefe68

            Woof!

          • 1Brett1

            In your dreams

          • hennorama

            Clickety click-o-the-minus-sign.

            NoLongerHere

          • 1Brett1

            Yep, these kinds of responses are like a tired blues riff in a pentatonic scale…yawn.

          • HonestDebate1

            A pentatonic scale is not a blues riff. It’s “My Girl”. Gotta have the augmented fourth or at least the ambiguity of the third. Is it major or minor…. or a raised ninth? But you knew that.

          • 1Brett1

            Well, I didn’t say that a pentatonic scale is a blues riff, now did I!? I didn’t even use the phrase “blues scale” did I!? Pentatonic scales can be used for all sorts of things (all Native American flutes are tuned in a pentatonic, for example, to those reading this). I said a blues riff IN a pentatonic scale, kind of like Buddy Guy’s repetitive use of the scale without any real variation or exploration into other scales. It was a general analogy and not a pedantic one.

            But, this is a great example of why, if I ever do debate certain points with you, it would be an exception. You aren’t interested in any discussion or “honest” debate. You are looking to “win one” for conservatism. You are a punk looking for a fight. This thread especially because I bad-mouthed your hero Rust Limberger. Aww, maybe this is where you insert the “poor, persecuted Gregg” argument?

          • jefe68

            No, this is where he tells you get him out of your head. You’re right about the punk thing, he’s that and more.

          • HonestDebate1

            Yes, I’m a punk and at times a blues player.

          • jefe68

            Blues player? That’s a laugh.
            A white guy who posts derogatory comments about blacks that are sometimes very racially loaded claims he’s a blues player.

          • HonestDebate1

            My blues credentials are solid.

          • jefe68

            So, do the black guys you play with know about your views on race?

          • HonestDebate1

            Sure they do, my views on race are noble. But I don’t talk politics at the gig if that’s what you mean.

          • jefe68

            Good idea.

          • HonestDebate1

            What about the black girls? Why didn’t yo ask about them?

          • 1Brett1

            Yeah, I forgot…that one’s coming, though!

          • HonestDebate1

            Why did you put “blues scale” in quotes? Nobody said blues scale.

            By definition a pentatonic scale has no passing tones. A pentatonic scale has no conservative ideology, I’m just correcting your error. When you bad-mouth Rush and then cannot back it up with substance, it outs you as a parroter of spoon fed talking points. I love that. And then when you start calling me a punk… well, it doesn’t get any better.

            BTW, I’ve met Buddy Guy, You’re no Buddy Guy.

          • 1Brett1

            “” denote a phrase (one I didn’t use, by the way), the one (scale) with the passing notes. Dude, you are venturing into weak territory.

            Yeah, I’ve met Buddy Guy too; I jammed with him once, so what. He is a nice man and a good emotional guitar player, but while his playing is fast, his knowledge and use of musical forms is very limited. He even admits that himself. He’s hard-pressed to say what scale he’s playing or even what key he’s playing in at times. I would say enjoy Buddy Guy, but if you want to learn to play guitar, don’t learn anything from him or you’ll be one of those dime- a-dozen guitar players who stand in line to see who can play the same tired riffs better than the next guy.

          • HonestDebate1

            “” denote a phrase (one I didn’t use, by the way), the one (scale) with the passing notes. Dude, you are venturing into weak territory.

            I don’t understand the question, please clarify. I’ll answer any musical theory, blues related or not, question you have.

          • HonestDebate1

            Alright, since I gotta go I’ll take a guess and give it a stab in the key of C. The caveat is I’m just as likely to go all chromatic and demented so these are not rules.

            Pentatonic:
            C-D-E-G-A-C

            One blues scale that works well with dominant 7 type blues:
            C-D#-F-F#-G-A#-C

            Another that works well with 6th and 9th chords:
            C-D#-E-G-A-C

            And BTW, they are interchangeable.

            So maybe the last one is a blues riff in a pentatonic scale by your definition but the difference is in the ambiguity of the 3rd in lieu of the 2nd, or with the 2nd using the minor 3rd as a passing tone.

          • 1Brett1

            I have a student who will be here in 9 minutes. She has been with me for three years; I’ll show her what you wrote here and she can laugh and tell me I went over this with her two and a half years ago…yawn.

          • HonestDebate1

            I was just trying to answer your question dude. You asked me to denote a phrase, I think. It’s not cutting edge stuff, it’s the blues.

          • 1Brett1

            No, I was saying that quotation marks denoted something around the expression blues scale such as “blues scale” …You are an idiot. Usually one asks a question by denoting such with a question mark.

          • Guest

            I was just trying to help. I read it three times and it still doesn’t make sense to me. But I am an idiot as I’ve said many times. Why do you always be persecuting me?

          • 1Brett1

            To be general, the expression “blues scale” is a more general term than pentatonic and can refer to different types of scales, e.g., pentatonic minor, diatonic, a chromatic, etc., but you know that. I suppose initially, you might have preferred I use that term than pentatonic. That’s fine; persnickety, but fine. As you know the pentatonic is used in all sorts of musical styles; the bad blues guitarists only use one or two basic scales as their palette, which was my analogy and you know that too. And. I’m sure you’ve heard your share of bad blues guitar players; we all have. Usually the “blues scale” people refer to is based on certain “blue” notes…

            But let me just say that once upon a time it might have been kind of fun to talk shop with you, not anymore. I don’t really care whether you think of me as a hack musician or a genius. I am neither, by the way.

            As far as teaching goes, I am considered a revered teacher in my community, which is where I make my money; more importantly I am an effective teacher. So many of my students have gone on to be great musicians; some even working musicians just after they leave me, some while I still instruct them.

            I am not interested in showing off. You seem to be. You have regularly gotten mad and bragged about playing with this person or that person, or that you know this or that, none of which either impresses or matters to me.

          • HonestDebate1

            Am I supposed to be impressed with your bragging? Gotta go, see ya’.

          • HonestDebate1

            BTW, I would advise guitar players to listen and learn from Buddy Guy. One doesn’t have to be able to explain what they are playing to play it. That’s just me.

          • 1Brett1

            I advise guitar players to listen to everybody. I wouldn’t say you could learn much from Buddy Guy other than that he has heart and never forgets about, which is something one can’t teach only suppress (1st rule: do no harm!). My advice to students is DON’T snuff out the heart in your playing. It is better to make a mistake than to be so careful as to ignore the heart in your playing. Buddy sometimes ignores the fact that he’s out of tune, a pet peeve of mine. One student one time brought in some tape of Guy and said, “I want to learn these songs the way he plays them.” I laughed and said, “the most important thing is to make sure your guitar is tuned first!”

            There’s the door bell…gotta go.

          • jefe68

            Rush Limbaugh, so it’s not OK with you if I call him fat, disgusting, racist, and misogynist? But I digress. Rush is certainly all of the above and more. He is also becoming is relevant. As are all you right wing white guys. The nation is changing and there is nothing you or that tub of lard can do about it.

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t care what you call him, it’s fine with me. Why should I care?

            And he’s been relevant he’s not just becoming so.

          • HonestDebate1

            Did I make you mad? You are amusing but it’s too easy.

          • jefe68

            You’re not in my head. Winding you up is mere past time.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Limberger? Isn’t that comparison unfair. To the smelly cheese for which I have yet to grow a taste?

    • John Cedar

      It appears that YOU are so full of hatred that you don’t get the point that placing your bets after the wheel stops spinning, should no longer be called gambling. But I agree with you that Rush is a big fat stinky-head.

      • HonestDebate1

        Another great point, you’re batting a thousand this morning. Maybe you’ll piss me off later.

      • 1Brett1

        Of course, you fail to mention that basically the insurance companies (to use your gambling metaphor) want to place their bets always on a sure thing; they want to fix the game, like the houses of Vegas.

        At least we can agree that Rust Limberger is a big, fat stinky head.

        • HonestDebate1

          So it is welfare but it’s justified?

        • JONBOSTON

          Insurance companies insure against future risks. If you could buy collision insurance after you’ve had a car accident , how long do think it would be before car insurance for everyone would disappear? or be prohibitively expensive? Why would anyone buy insurance against future risks if insurance companies were required to insure against past risks? As Greg notes the latter situation is welfare, no matter how you want to spin it.

    • JONBOSTON

      Question–have you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh? I seriously doubt it. Rush is a conservative and through targeted satire, makes fun and demonstrates the illogic and hypocrisy of liberal /leftist ideas. If you think that’s hate mongering then it reveals more your ignorant and hateful point of view. The real hate today is exercised by those on the left , not conservatives.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Targeted satire?

        Hahahaha. He’s a hothouse hybrid who never has to speak without holding the whip hand (controlling the mic) of his callers.

        And please, stop the “poor widdle white conservative oppressed man” schtick. I may vomit from convulsive laughter.

        • JONBOSTON

          If iI could figure out what you’ve said , I’d respond.

      • jefe68

        That’s really funny. So all those right wing extremist, some of whom are on the fringes of white power movements, are really spreading love in the world. Who knew.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Very sad Obama comments on NSA. No, we were NOT about to have a comprehensive debate about the surveillance state. Top Ten presidential lies? And, the “reform” will just be more, better propaganda. The most scary word is “reform”: tax reform, “entitlement” reform, now NSA reform.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      “If this is anybody but Steve Allen, you’re stealing my bit!”

      (h/t Krusty)

    • fun bobby

      I think I could actually see smoke coming out of his pants.
      NSA reform= not getting caught again

  • Coastghost

    Oprah was a target of racism, or is she miffed with not being recognized? and what was she doing trying to buy a $38,000 bag in Zurich? a) why wasn’t she shopping for a handbag in Milan or Firenze? b) why wasn’t she dropping $38,000 or $76,000 for some social or political initiative on the south side of Chicago? (just as Warren Buffet has cleaned up Omaha and Bill Gates has cleaned up Redmond)

    • John Cedar

      During the ’08 primary, when she invited Obama on her show but refused to invite Hillary, it was not racism, it was just an illegal multimillion dollar campaign donation.

      • HonestDebate1

        Great point.

    • hennorama

      Coastghost – Ms. Winfrey was in Zurich to attend Tina Turner’s wedding, as if that matters.

      Ms. Winfrey believes it was racism. It’s not a huge stretch to imagine it could have been racism, or a language issue, or just a snooty salesperson in a high-end boutique.

      The owner of the shop apologized, as did the Swiss tourism board. The salesperson was identified as being Italian, which gives some credence to both a possible language issue, as well as a possible racism issue. There have been a number of high-profile racial incidents in Italy recently, involving racial language and black soccer players as well as bananas being thrown at Italy’s first black minister, Cecile Kyenge.

      This is not proof, of course, merely added information for consideration. One must also consider that this story was related during a promotional tour for a new movie Ms. Winfrey is in – The Butler – and that any added publicity will very likely help at the box office.

      See:

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/28/world/europe/italy-politics-racism

      http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1516121/midfielder-gaetano-iannini-handed-ten-match-ban-racial-abuse?cc=5901

      http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1511814/no-racist-abuse-ac-milan-kevin-constant?cc=5901

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/celebrity-news-video/10234667/Oprah-Winfrey-racism-row-not-good-for-Zurich-tourism.html

      http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/08/swiss-are-sorry-oprah-winfrey-faced-racism-zurich-shop/68158/

      • Coastghost

        Wonder it she’s appearing as “herself” in this new flick? I hope so, because I can’t think she could bring any credibility as an actress to any role on any screen at this stage. (Unless she’s always in actress mode, I mean.)

        • hennorama

          Coastghost – TY for your response.

          One would expect Ms. Winfrey to be in “full Oprah mode” while in public. During her recounting of this incident, she said “I didn’t have my eyelashes on, but I was in full Oprah Winfrey gear…” and then went on to describe her attire. I can’t comment as to whether this could be characterized as “actress mode,” but it’s not an unreasonable description.

          Here’s what Scott Foundas, Chief Film Critic for VARIETY, says about Ms. Winfrey in his review of the film:

          “In her first live-action dramatic role since 1998’s “Beloved,” Oprah Winfrey makes the most of her few scenes as Cecil’s dutiful wife, Gloria, though she isn’t given much to work with, and the pic’s efforts to manufacture some third-act marital strife feels plastered on for cheap dramatic effect.”

          As it appears her role is small, perhaps Ms. Winfrey’s presence in the film is more for promotional purposes rather than her acting abilities. If so, the producers are getting their money’s worth from this interview and the resultant publicity.

          See:
          http://variety.com/2013/film/reviews/lee-daniels-the-butler-review-forest-whitaker-oprah-winfrey-1200575215/

        • Steve__T

          Forest Whitaker As ‘The Butler’ Could Be A Recipe For Success

          http://www.contactmusic.com/news/the-butler-trailer_3683469

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Isn’t Alan Rickman playing Ronald Reagan? (I haven’t been paying much attention yet).

            Wonder how he’ll handle the accent.

      • fun bobby

        if it was really racism, which seems unlikely, then why should we care if a swiss or Italian person is racist in another why should people in America care/ worry about that?

        • hennorama

          fun bobby – TY for your response. I have no idea why or if anyone should care, nor do I have any idea whether the incident was racism, a language foul-up, or haughtiness. It would seems that something happened, as there were apologies issued.

          Regardless, Ms. Winfrey definitely has brought added attention to her upcoming movie release.

          • fun bobby

            ding ding ding. that seems exactly so

        • jefe68

          And you know this because of what? You being white?

          • fun bobby

            oh yeah I forgot I am personally to be held accountable and should feel guilt for the perceived slights by all light skinned people world wide. I have had a store worker tell me that something was too expensive. it was rude, was it racist?

          • jefe68

            It might have been. Your white, how would you know?

          • fun bobby

            its actually a funny story it was when those portable DVD player actually cost $1000.

          • HonestDebate1

            She compared the murder of Trayvon Martin with Emmett Till. That’s sick. It is spitting on the grave of Till. She clearly has a racist chip on her shoulder.

          • HonestDebate1

            Do you think it’s worse to throw bananas at a black person than a white person?

          • hennorama

            1Bonehead Test – Your question indicates your ignorance of the context.

            About two weeks prior to the banana tossing outrage, according to Reuters, “Roberto Calderoli, vice president of Italy’s Senate, said on Saturday [July 13, 2013] at a political rally in the northern town of Treviglio: “I love animals – bears and wolves, as everyone knows – but when I see the pictures of Kyenge I cannot but think of, even if I’m not saying she is one, the features of an orangutan.”

            Per the same source, “He said the success of Kyenge encouraged “illegal immigrants” to come to Italy, and she should be a minister “in her own country”, according to media reports.”

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/14/us-italy-minister-racism-idUSBRE96D0BO20130714

          • HonestDebate1

            My question had nothing to do with the context of the incident. It was a stand alone question. I can’t comment on the way Kyenge looks because I have not seen her. Maybe she does look like an orangutan, I don’t know.

            I’ll ask you too, do you think it’s worse to throw bananas at a black person than a white person?

          • hennorama

            You continue to prove your prior statement. You wrote “I have the grey cells of Hercule Poirot.”

            This is clearly true, as they are both fictional and dead.

          • hennorama

            1Bonehead Test – if your question has noting to do with the context of this incident, why ask it? It therefore has no value and deserves no answer in this thread.

          • HonestDebate1

            [edit] And what is the value your comment above adds to this thread? Or are you just playing schoolmarm for Coastghost?

            I asked it because Jefe’s comments seemed to imply throwing bananas at a black person was worse because the person is black. Otherwise why would he bring it up? Bananas are soft, they don’t hurt.

          • jefe68

            Of course it’s worse. The reason is they were equating being black to being a monkey you dimwit.

          • HonestDebate1
          • jefe68

            You know what’s worse, your tired act.

          • HonestDebate1

            I say they are both equally as bad, you can’t say why either is worse without showing your prejudices. It’s much like when I ask what is it about being black that makes it harder to vote. No one ever answers. Ever.

          • hennorama

            1 Nastee Hotbed – TYFYR.

            Please be more specific, as at present (6:57 PM GMT Sunday, August 11, 2013) there are eight “comment[s] above” from [hennorama].

            One supposes that you feel that the term “schoolmarm” directed at [hennorama] is a pejorative. In my view, it’s an honorific. Teaching is a noble pursuit, as is the pursuit of knowledge.

            So … Thank you for your kind word, sir.

            As to the value of any of my comments, I leave that appraisal to the reader. As to being “schoolmarm for Coastghost” – that certainly was not my intent. Coastghost asked a series of questions, which I attempted to answer. My post also added some additional information in order to expand the discussion and to give some context.

            Based on the fact that Coastghost responded to my initial post, one could fairly conclude that Coastghost deemed it worthy of reply. Perhaps you should direct your inquiry as to “the value [hennorama's] comment above” to Coastghost instead.

            Now for a question for you, sir. Given that you are aware of the context of the banana toss, do you feel your question has any value whatsoever?

            Perhaps you might start a new thread soliciting context-free questions. If you do so, I’ll direct one to you, which I’ve posed before:

            Does Taylor Swift own a Cadillac DTS (DeVille Touring Sedan)?

          • HonestDebate1

            Are you just trying to be silly? I’ll take you seriously against my better judgment. You ask a lot of questions but you did not answer mine about the bananas.

            You should really stop talking about context until you get a better grasp on it. Teaching is a noble profession in a classroom. On a blog, constant homework assignments, lectures and the assumption you are teaching anyone anything is just pure arrogance. I was not complementing you.

            I did not ask you about your replies to Coastghost, I asked about the value of a particular comment that asked me about the value of mine. The irony is pretty thick, so I pointed it out. I don’t think you missed the context, I just think you are disingenuous and deflecting.

            Nobody brought up Taylor Swift, there’s no context there.

            And yes, my question is an excellent one and it is within the context of Coastghost’s original comment. Absolutely. Please answer it.

          • hennorama

            1Bad Stone, Thee – Thank you again for your response.

            No. Winding you up is simply amusing.

            Actually, you were being both complementary and complimentary. Thank you again.

            One could argue that you need to be taught a lesson, but I couldn’t possibly comment.

            As to my habitual sharing of information – that’s altruism, not arrogance. In your case, it’s amusement as well, especially subsequent to these words from you, directed to [hennorama]:

            “You should be ashamed of yourself.”
            “You are despicable and promote racism, lies and false narratives. You should be ashamed.”
            “Have you no shame?”
            “I guess that’s easy for someone who writes off well over 37,000 black rapist as a rounding error…. or something. You should really be ashamed of yourself Hennon.”
            “It will be later when I shame you up top so consider this a chance to preemptively admit Elder’s algebra was correct.”

            Please allow me a moment for a laughter break.

            ==========

            I responded to your question, which you first indicated had no context, and now say has context. Or something. Please decide which position you hold. You seem to be taking lessons from both Mr. Romney and Mr. Paul.

            You are on record writing “Context matters, no?”

            In response to a comment by [jefe68] −

            [And you know this because of what? You being white?

            If you did a little research you might find out that racism in Italy towards blacks is very much an issue. While I could image some white idiots dreaming of doing this to Obama it's highly unlikely they would risk arrest to do something so disgusting.

            Bananas thrown at Italy's first black minister Cecile Kyenge”
            http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/28/world/europe/italy-politics-racism ]

            you posed this question:

            “Do you think it’s worse to throw bananas at a black person than a white person?”

            Then you wrote this “My question had nothing to do with the context of the incident. It was a stand alone question. I can’t comment on the way Kyenge looks because I have not seen her. Maybe she does look like an orangutan, I don’t know.”

            Talk about disingenuous. You respond to a comment that discusses an incident of a banana being thrown, with a question about banana throwing, and then say “My question had nothing to do with the context of the incident.”

            Yeah, right. Your question just came out of the blue. You simply had an interest in banana throwing, completely
            independent of this incident. Let’s go to the Gregg Smith Response-O-Matic again shall we?

            [Alrighty then]

            I’ll repeat my response to your question:

            “1Bonehead Test – if your question has nothing to do with the context of this incident, why ask it? It therefore has no value and deserves no answer in this thread.”

            Again, perhaps you should simply start a thread soliciting (or posing) context-free questions and/or non sequiturs.

            TY again for your response.

          • HonestDebate1

            My question to Jefe was in the context of the thread Coastghost started. It had to do with the notion of racism vs. perceived racism which works both ways (for the offender and the offended). It had not a thing to do with Calderoli or Kyenge.

            Thank you for reposting some of my greatest hits. So true, all of it. But you really don’t need to work that hard to dodge the question. And if you have no intention of answering my question, fine, but quit wasting my time. You should take a lesson from me and the other conservatives around hear regarding owning up to what you write but I understand I’m not the schoolmarm of the blog. That’s you.

            See Hennon, I’m trying to have a substantive honest debate about race. I’d rather not talk about me. Ms. Winfrey felt slighted because of her race, so she says. If it’s true, and I have no reason to doubt it, the clerk made the racist assumption that because she was black she could not afford the purse. I would ask the salesman what about being black made him conclude so. I would ask the banana thrower, assuming the intent was racist, what about Ms. Kyenge made him assume she was ape like. Now, I don’t know if Ms. Kyenge even took offense, it would be much wiser not to bestow that power to an alleged racist like Oprah did. I would assume someone of her stature has more sense than a TV personality.

            So I am asking those who took offense to the banana toss the same question. What is it about being black that makes a good wholesome fruit, high in potassium, racist? I posit the reason is those who are offended do believe blacks are more ape like. I happen to disagree. I love bananas.

            There has to be something. You can assign all the homework you want, I’m not answering any of your questions until you answer mine. Is throwing bananas at a black person worse than throwing them at a white person? If so, why?

          • hennorama

            Hen Debase 1Tot – TY again for the compliment. Now, please, let me catch my breath from my laughter, Mr. Priebus. Whewwww. OK I’m ready now.

            “I’m not answering any of your questions until you answer mine” is on the same level as [Smarty pants] and Priince Reebus’ silly ultimatums. It’s truly hilarious that you might consider your not answering questions to be some sort of negative outcome. You are well-advised to not hold your breath.

            If you expect anyone to believe your question was serious, and to take it seriously … let’s just you are likely to be disappointed.

            Allow me to pose some similar questions, if I may:

            Do you think it’s worse to throw [saltines] at a black person [from North Carolina] than a white person [from North Carolina]?

            Do you think it’s worse to throw [shoes] at [Pres. Bush II, in Iraq] than at [Pres. Bush II, in North Carolina]?

            Do you think it’s worse to [express concern for the short-term memory of someone frequently exposed to ammonia] than [to express concern for the short-term memory of someone rarely exposed to ammonia]?

            Thanks again for the kind words, and the hearty laugh.

          • HonestDebate1

            I understand you think the schoolmarm only asks questions and doesn’t answer them. That’s fine but mine is an easy question and I am dead serious.

            You can have your laugh but you have to agree I have always been a stickler for false premises and a challenger of conventional wisdom. When I am received with the incredulous equivalent of, “you can’t be serious” in lieu of an answer then I know I am exposing the shallowness of dishonest debate.

            I am quite sure my line of thought is lost on the liberals and puts some of my conservative friends off, that’s cool too. But I am comfortable in my belief that I am on solid ground here. This is proven by your refusal to answer my questions. Thanks.

          • hennorama

            Debates Not, He – TYFYR.

            “Schoolmarm Says”: [hennorama] has responded to your query on multiple occasions. 1 demerit for your failure to recognize this fact.

            2 additional demerits for improperly characterizing your question as somehow involving “thought.”

            TYAFYR.

          • hennorama

            Hen Debase 1Tot – You wrote “Thank you for reposting some of my greatest hits.”

            You’re welcome. I agree with you in part. Those were “some of [your] greatest [insert an anagram of “hits" here. Hint: it rhymes with “twit”].

            Thanks again for the laughs.

          • HonestDebate1

            No, thank you. You’ve made my night.

          • jefe68

            It’s obvious Gregg here is ignorant, or choosing to be. In order to support or seem as if he’s not racist or that he’s somehow evolved beyond race. Yet in all of the comments not once did he even mention the history of Jim Crow. Not once did this white man who lives in North Carolina even acknowledge how the history of equating blacks to apes or monkey’s could be offensive. I’m not sure why this man thinks this is OK. Because it’s not.

          • HonestDebate1

            I have no idea how you reach the conclusion I think it’s okay to insult anyone. I am trying to understand why it is an insult. For instance, if I call two people short but one is 6’4″ and the other is 4’6″ then have I insulted them both equally?

            Keep in mind “Short” is a regular word like monkey. It is not derogatory to the tall person.

            Would you admonish me for using a derogatory term to describe the short person? If so why? Well the answer is easy, it’s because they are actually short.

            Is it you think that blacks are more ape like than whites?

          • jefe68

            No I don’t think that. It’s pretty obvious that I don’t. It’s interesting that you try to turn this around so I’m the person with the issue about race. If you don’t understand the context of the history of Jim Crow and the imagery used to degrade people of color in this country and in particular in the South that’s really an issue you need to sort out. Not me. That you can’t see how throwing bananas at Cécile Kyenge Kashetu is offensive, and for the last time it is, I don’t know what to say except you keep digging that ignorance hole deeper with every comment.

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t claim to know what you think, I am trying to pin you down on what you are saying. You seem to have a very low opinion of blacks.

            Who said I don’t think the banana toss was offensive? I am saying it’s her choice whether to be offended or not. She has nothing to do with Jim Crow laws. She’s in Italy. I don’t know if she took offense or not. You are not making sense.

          • jefe68

            Oh boy. For a guy who takes offense about people putting words or thoughts into what he post you sure do a good job of that here. Where do you get the idea I have low opinion of blacks? Because I view a racially charged incident as offensive? Cécile Kyenge Kashetu has reacted with dignity to the racism hurled at her on more than one incident. You might want to try some dignity on for size for once.

            By the way, I was on about the Jim Crow era not just the laws. Do you understand that sentence? Do you have any idea about the imagery used in this period to demonize and degrade African Americans?

            I’m done here. I’m not going to keep on hashing this out with an someone who is clearly either playing dumb or is really clueless.

          • HonestDebate1

            “By the way, I was on about the Jim Crow era not just the laws. Do you understand that sentence? “

            I actually don’t, what do you mean by “on”?

            I don’t care, it’s beside the point. The Jim Crow laws were awful. I’ve studied it, I know all about it. They no longer exist, good riddance. Get over it. I explained why I think you must have a low opinion of blacks with the “short” analogy but you have also assumed blacks are more susceptible to voter ID laws, need affirmative action and should have different rules apply to them. I don’t, I say don’t throw bananas at anyone. I don’t assume blacks are so victimized and fragile that they will break down in tears.

          • jefe68

            Oh boy, it’s the imagery of the Jim Crow era. That’s the point, and that’s why equating black to apes or monkey’s is offensive. Just as throwing bananas are.
            Do you understand?
            You know what. I’m done.
            You’re act is tiresome and I just don’t need to waste my time with this back and forth BS.

          • jefe68

            Wow. And you posted a picture of an ape as well.

          • jefe68

            Oh boy. You really are piece of work.

          • HonestDebate1

            Thank you.

          • HonestDebate1
          • jefe68

            Are you kidding me? Do you understand the context of anything?

            The level of your stupidity is in regards to race is troubling.

          • HonestDebate1

            I can see why you don’t want to answer the very simple question.

          • jefe68

            The reason I don’t answer your question is because it’s a dumb question.

            Given that you now claim that context means nothing to you, that could be taken to mean that anything you post is nothing but meaningless prattle devoid of any content or context.

          • HonestDebate1

            It’s a brilliant question that cuts to the chase and forces you to confront your own prejudices. That is why you don’t want to answer it. It’s not even the main question. The real question is, why is it worse? Assuming you think is.

            It all started with Howard Cosell who was railroaded as a racist for no good reason.

            Context is extremely important. Where do you get that it means nothing to me? That’s just weird.

          • jefe68

            Oh the inanity of you…
            If you don’t know why the act of tossing bananas at the feet of the first black minister in Italy is not a blatantly racist act, then I’m not sure why I should even engage in this kind of absurd discourse.

            You seem to think that your are being clever, you’re not. You contradict yourself within a few posts and seem to think it’s OK for some reason. And you wonder why some people think you are an idiot.

          • HonestDebate1

            That wasn’t my question… but i am an idiot, that’s been established. Now do you have an answer?

            I am completely consistent, no contradiction.

          • jefe68

            You think it’s about my own prejudices if I see the act of throwing bananas at a black politician as an act of racism?

            You need to go back and read up on the Jim Crow era.

      • brettearle

        Henno–

        My take, below, on the incident [posted, first, a bit above, in response to Steve_T]:

        [Also, please read PostScript, underneath this Entry. [If you don't read the Postscript then you run the risk of not being outed.]]

        “But aren’t you assuming that the shop assistant lacked–in a very puzzling way–the sophistication to understand that any customer would ALREADY know that most things in that store are quite expensive–without having to be told?

        I’ve been on the Banhofstrasse, in Zurich; it makes Rodeo Drive seem like a back alley.

        And everyone knows it.

        I figure there’s more to the story. For me, It doesn’t seem to add up.

        But maybe it does add up.”

        PS

        I told my girl friend about you and your “”Ausgezeichnet” contribution:

        [it was not hard to tell her, actually: She's usually only 50 to 100 feet away from where I am, part of the day, as well as at night]

        She thinks that you are actually more than 1 person. And we don’t mean multiple-personalities, neeee—therrr….

        [You might need to heed and seriously consider her conclusions: She has an MBA from the best, was an ex-CEO, is a CPA, and has an MS in Mathematics.]

        PPS

        And don’t think that I don’t know what “Ich Kurz” means.

        Did someone put you on Report?

        • hennorama

          brettearle und Lieblings-Mädel – Wir sind nicht Plural. Wir sind neuronale. Wir waren ländlich. Wir werden bald in der Nähe des Ural sein. Jetzt wirbeln Brettearle und Lieblings-Mädel!

          Und ich habe noch nie über den Bericht. Rapport, vielleicht, und schlagfertige Erwiderung, natürlich.

          UND, ich sagte “schwachen Tee” nicht Shor-t.

          Nicht zu nitpick oder so, aber Bahnhofstrasse ist mit einem Dinkel “hnh.” Ich bin sehr enttäuscht.

          Wie Colbert könnte sagen, es war mein pleasural, brettearle und Lieblings-Mädchen.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            “Zere were zwei peanuts valking down zer strasse, and one of dem vas assaulted.”

            (Laughter ensues.)

            Sorry, that’s all the German I know. It’s a good thing my great-grandma isn’t here to see how little of her first tongue I’ve picked up.

          • hennorama

            TF – zat vas very amuzing. As to the issue of lack of knowledge of German, this is easily resolved due to the proliferation of online translation sites and applications.

            Try:
            http://www.bing.com/translator
            http://translate.google.com/
            http://www.translate.com/
            http://www.dict.cc/english-german/twirl.html

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            (Mine was a direct paste of Monty Python’s sketch about The Funniest Joke in the World.)

          • hennorama

            TF – and I appreciate you making it non-lethal by omitting the final word. Now, Ante Up!

    • fun bobby

      yeah it seemed bizarre. I guess she needs attention since her show is gone and no one watches her network.

      • Steve__T

        The Oprah Winfrey Show which was the highest-rated program of its kind in history and was nationally syndicated from 1986 to 2011. She has been ranked the richest African-American of the 20th century, the greatest black philanthropist in American history, and was for a time the world’s only black billionaire. Oscar-nominated actress, business woman, and former talk show host Oprah
        Winfrey is one of the most successful individuals in contemporary entertainment industry. Two day time Emmy awards. A recipient of Kennedy Center Honors in 2010 and the Bob Hope Humanitarian Award in 2002, she has over the years been a strong supporter of various charities and organizations She is also, according to some assessments, the most influential woman in the world.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah_Winfrey

      • jefe68

        What’s wrong with you? Are you just a complete ass-wipe or what?

        • fun bobby

          oh jefe so hostile

          • StilllHere

            He’s a real piece of work!

          • jefe68

            Troll.

          • fun bobby

            so you are the one watching all those golden girls marathons on OWN!

          • StilllHere

            Bea is the only thing that does it for him anymore …. sad.

          • fun bobby

            I would feel bad for him but I feel his circumstances are of his own design

          • jefe68

            No, I”m just pointing out the level of your inanity.

          • fun bobby

            is that what you are doing? why not actually make topic on the comment and less of just an insult. if what I say is truly inane it should be easy to demonstrate that without illogical personal attacks

    • Steve__T

      A shop assistant in Switzerland refused to show Oprah a $38,000 handbag, saying ‘you will not be able to afford that.’
      If your black you can’t afford that, is what it breaks down to. Racism you bet.

      • brettearle

        But aren’t you assuming that the shop assistant lacked–in a very puzzling way–the sophistication to understand that any customer would ALREADY know that most things in that store are quite expensive–without having to be told?

        I’ve been on the Banhofstrasse, in Zurich; it makes Rodeo Drive seem like a back alley.

        And everyone knows it.

        I figure there’s more to the story. For me, It doesn’t seem to add up.

        But maybe it does add up.

        • Steve__T

          I wonder, if he though she was going to run out the door with out paying?

          • brettearle

            I see your point.

            Keep in mind, however, that the Swiss are very, very good about security and law enforcement.

            Monitoring would be quite efficient in a high end store.

            Crime rate’s low.

            Although, it might be that the shopkeeper figured that Oprah didn’t realize these things or was potentially reckless.

    • OnPointComments

      If the worst thing that happened in the world last week was that Oprah didn’t get to buy a $38,000 handbag, we should all count ourselves fortunate. Let’s concede that it was racism. Why did Oprah go public with it? Personally, I think some people (Oprah among them, in this instance), attach far too much significance to an offense committed by an ignorant person; they hold on to the offense, and nurture it, and make it much more important than it deserves, when the best course of action, in my opinion, is to disregard it. I strive to attach no importance to the inconsequential statements and actions of ignorant people.

      • hennorama

        OPC – Why did Oprah go public with it?

        I dunno, but here’s a hint: Ms. Winfrey has a movie opening this week.

        • OnPointComments

          I am never disappointed in your perceptive nature.

          • hennorama

            OPC – one is rarely far from the mark in thinking “is there money in this for anyone?”

            TY for your very kind words.

          • HonestDebate1

            I sincerely hope the movie ticket buying public is not that stupid.

          • OnPointComments

            “Follow the money” is right about 98% of the time.

          • HonestDebate1

            If Hennorama is correct, it’s very sad that it works…if it does. I wonder if she compared the murders of Trayvon Martin and Emmett Till to sell tickets? I think both are disgusting. My view is she just thinks that way independently of the supposed publicity whoring so I can’t endorse Hennorama’s thinking. I’m not yet cynical enough to be convinced the strategy is effective and I think the Oprah is sophisticated enough to know that. For me, it has the opposite effect. I’ve seen the trailer and the movie looks interesting but I’m put off and probably won’t go see it. But to be fair I don’t go to many movies anyway.

      • HonestDebate1

        I was making the same point earlier and agree completely. Taking offense empowers the offender.

        I was playing music in a redneck bar in King, NC many years ago. The house was packed (about 650) and our bass player was probably the only black guy in the room. Freddie came out front to sing “Jungle Love” by Morris Day and the Time. Some jerk came up to the stage and started waving a confederate flag bandana in his face. Freddie went stage left and he followed. He went stage right, same thing. Finally, Freddie reached out and grabbed the bandana from the jerk and tied it around his head and kept singing. Then during the breakdown he jumped off of the stage into the audience and with the bandana on his head began sticking the mike in rednecks’ faces to make them sing “Oh ee Oh ee Oh”. And they did. I cannot say the crowd was race neutral in their beliefs but they loved it. The jerk looked like a fool, and Freddie was a star. He just decided not to go there and took the power of the offender away,

        That had to be at least 12 years ago. Freddie lives 60 miles from me but we still keep in touch and are going fishing next week. He’s a hero of mine. I love him like a brother. Obviously he’s a Conservative.

        • hennorama

          1Bonehead Test – You wrote “Taking offense empowers the offender.”

          Oh, the irony of such a comment written by someone who posts links to tweets made by fools, and gives them credence ….

          This concept seems so familiar. Perhaps it’s because of this, written to you less than one week ago, by [hennorama]:

          “Again, you put far too much stock in the sentiments of fools as expressed on Twitter. Getting worked up over them gives them power that far outweighs their significance.”

          See:
          http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/08/06/rand-paul#comment-990896843

          Make up your “grey cells of Hercule Poirot” and be consistent, sir.

          • HonestDebate1

            Are you suggesting I’m offended by tweets? That’s weird. I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

          • hennorama

            Test1…Bonehead – Sir, you indicated outrage over some anti-Elder tweets, which you linked to on multiple occasions. One supposes that you will claim to not recall this either:

            YOU: “And the reaction from the tolerant libs is about what you’d expect.”

            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/07/18/twitter-explodes-racial-epithets-towards-larry-elder-coon-house-n-ger (A bunch of tweets from a few fools)

            YOU: “Here’s some more:

            http://twitchy.com/2013/07/17/epic-clash-between-larry-elder-and-piers-morgan-libs-unleash-torrent-of-haterade/ (more tweets from a few fools, but mostly a repeat of the previous link)

            “But you miss the point once removed. The reaction is not the issue but if you want to talk about it then consider the outcome if just one single person used this language against a liberal black. The examples are legion of this kind of vitriol against black conservatives such as, Clarence Thomas, Ward Connerly, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Herman Cain, Mia Love, Michael Steele and on and on. Even RGIII caught it from ESPN. Heck you even alluded that Thomas Sowell was no better than a White supremacist. This is standard fare for the left.”

            And then there’s this little gem, also from you:

            YOU: “You are not qualified to label the much respected Elder as unqualified. Why don’t you just call him a house nig&# like the rest of your compatriots?”

            See:
            http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/07/15/zimmerman-verdict#comment-967496277

            You wrote “I’m trying to have a substantive honest debate about race.”

            Yeah, right.

            Was it “honest” to label these tweets from fools as “the reaction from the tolerant libs”?

            Was it “honest” to first labe these tweets as “the reaction from the tolerant libs” and then write “The reaction is not the issue…”

            Was it “substantive” to suggest I use a racial epithet toward Mr. Elder?

            Was it “honest” to write “Heck you even alluded that Thomas Sowell was no better than a White supremacist” when I did nothing of the sort?

            Your rock is calling, sir. Crawl back under.

          • HonestDebate1

            My comment was a good one that in the real world people would appreciate. The story is true. It’s one of empowerment but some would rather see victims; some like blacks to be kept in their place. Freddie would not like you at all.

            Do I need to give you dictionary definitions of offended and outraged? Why are you playing dumb?

            And even outraged is not the right word. I point out the nastiness which I totally expect from the left. I’ll dod it every time. It’s more like a public service announcement. I am not going to waste my time getting mad at liberals for acting like liberals.

            I stand by the integrity of my very true accusations.

          • hennorama

            Test1…Bonehead – TYFYR.

            A few points:

            Your bandmate’s actions were all well and good, and indeed quite relatable. Most people have had to deal with jerks in their lives, and turning the tables can be an effective strategy.

            By the way, did you notice my new “Schoolmarm” badge of honor?

            Ms. Winfrey took a different tack, and simply left the shop without making a fuss, after asking at least thrice to see the item. She was not indicating that she was a “victim” and had made a point earlier in the interview that “True racism is being able to have power over somebody else, so that doesn’t happen to me that way.” Then she went on to discuss her experiences with others in power – “Sometimes I’m in a boardroom, and situations where I’m the only woman, where I’m, you know, the only African-American person within a hundred mile radius …” and said that she couldn’t quite be sure “is it racism or is it sexism?”

            That’s when she went on to relate her story about the store in Zurich. She wasn’t saying she was a victim. She was merely relating her experience, as you did about your bandmate. Both stories were simple and matter-of-fact.

            If you haven’t viewed or heard the interview, you can do so here:

            http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/08/swiss-are-sorry-oprah-winfrey-faced-racism-zurich-shop/68158/

            Clearly, my point was that you are flipping forth and back, between lending credence to foolish offensive tweets, and then writing “Taking offense empowers the offender.” If you’re not offended by those tweets, you are likely quite lonely in that regard.

            Then you went on to paint with a broad brush, with no evidence whatsoever as to the politics of the fools who tweeted those offensive remarks. And now you double down with your broad keystrokes “I point out the nastiness which I totally expect from the left. I’ll do it every time. It’s more like a public service announcement. I am not going to waste my time getting mad at liberals for acting like liberals.”

            Again, with zero evidence of the politics of the Twitter users in question.

            That’s accusatory, yes, and judgmental, obviously, but not honest, and not true.

          • HonestDebate1

            You have always been proud to be the schoolmarm, of course you embrace it. I think it’s incredibly misplaced but that’s your business.

            I really don’t understand what you mean about the Oprah taking a different tack. What would she make a fuss about? Maybe she could have called him a racist and paid $45K for the $38K bag to teach him a lesson. No, she exercised the only power she had and that is the power of the purse (no pun), she left without the bag.

            And i disagree, it seems to me she was playing the victim. In the board room she is queen, she rules and with an iron fist I am told. Why on earth would she worry about racism or sexism in the board room or any where else for that matter. All she has to do to not be offended is not to be offended.

            And no I am not offended by the tweets, I think they are stupid and I think it’s typical fare from the left. there is a long history of this that I don’t see from the right. Look at the chatter when Cheney was sick, it was awful. I’m not saying there are no stupid nastee (your spelling) conservatives, there are but it’s not even close as a matter of degree. I can’t prove the tweets were all from the left but they were. My evidence is history, I can give you example after example of known leftist saying saying we should rip out Cheney’s heart and kick it around (Ed Shultz), or wishing Clarence Thomas’ wife will feed him lots of eggs and butter because blacks are susceptible to heart disease (Julianne Malveaux). Even NPR’s Nina Tottenberg said she wish Jesse Helms AND HIS GRANDCHILDREN would get AIDS. I can list them all day, don’t even get me started on Bill Maher or Chris Matthews. You don’t have to agree. And remember, I applaud your well wishes and really do think they were sincere.

            That’s the point Hennon, I out them for who they are. It’s not a matter of outrage or offense. Liberals are mean but they are regarded as tolerant. I’ve been called every name in the book around here but I just agree and move on in a effort to honestly debate the issue of the day. I don’t get offended. You’ve seen it and the only arrow in your quiver that you think really gets to me is to call me by my real name. There is absolutely no reason to do that other than sheer meanness. That’s the way liberals roll. I’m more in to honest debate.

          • hennorama

            Test1…Bonehead – TYFYR.

            “Schoolmarm Says”: Please don’t presume Schoolmarm’s motivations, unless the motivations have been specified. Please do not assume facts that are not in evidence. No doubt you are familiar with the phrase [Don't tell me what I think].

            That’s 1 demerit.

            Have you watched or listened to Ms. Winfrey’s interview? This question is posed due to the fact that you continue to refer to the shop clerk as being male, despite the fact that Ms. Winfrey used the words “the woman” and “she” more than ten times while relating her story. That’s why a link to the interview was in the last post – to ensure that you had access to it. Yanno, courtesy and all that. Here it is again:

            http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/08/swiss-are-sorry-oprah-winfrey-faced-racism-zurich-shop/68158/

            Presumably you would agree that it’s important to have the facts before commenting on an issue. Perhaps you feel otherwise, although you are on record as writing “I don’t post anything without verifying.” FYI, Ms. Winfrey mentioned Paula Deen’s circumstances, and “fools on Twitter” during the interview as well.

            Ms. Winfrey also said, “I could have had the big blowup thing, and thrown down the black card [the high end credit/charge card, which would prove she could afford the item] and all that stuff, but why do that?” That’s just one among a number of ways she could have made a fuss. She also could have named the store during her interview, which one might imagine a victim would do.

            That’s 2 more demerits. Schoolmarm’s feeling magnanimous today, so no ruler/knuckle interactions will occur.

            The issue of listening comprehension will be reserved for future grading, as your remarks indicate you haven’t listened to Ms. Winfrey’s remarks. (For example, you seem to indicate she was talking about her own boardroom, but she wasn’t.)

            It was implicit from Ms. Winfrey’s remarks that she did not consider herself a victim. One suggests you view/review the interview.

            ==========

            My original response to Coastghost mentioned 4 possible scenarios – racism, or a language issue, or just a snooty salesperson, and also that this story was related during a promotional tour for a new movie Ms. Winfrey is in – The Butler – and that any added publicity will very likely help at the box office.

            An argument could be made for any or all of the four, don’t you agree? As stated previously, “This is not proof, of course, merely added information for consideration.” That’s called “making the argument” and not “expressing one’s opinion.” There’s a difference.

            ==========

            You’re NOT offended by those anti-Elder tweets? Wow. [Alrighty then]

            You wrote “All she [Oprah] has to do to not be offended is not to be offended” then list a bunch of examples of insensitive remarks, including one from 1995 (the Nina Totenberg example – 1 more demerit for misspelling her name – which you mischaracterized as her wishing AIDS on Mr. Helms and his kin. She didn’t.). So presumably Ms. Winfrey should just sort of let these things go and forget about them, but it’s OK for you to cite an 18 year-old example of an insensitive remark? Another demerit for inconsistent argument.

            Another demerit for misinterpreting Schoolmarm’s “1Nastee Hotbed.” Again, explaining Schoolmarm’s humor is much less fun that creating it. Nevertheless … “1Nastee Hotbed” is an ironic construct. Based on sources that will remain confidential, Schoolmarm is aware of local demographics, and assumes there few in your locale sporting t-shirts depicting the rapper Nas. Ergo the ironic “1Nastee Hotbed.”

            Actually, that demerit is withdrawn, as humor is in the eye of the beholder, and your interpretation is not unreasonable.

            Schoolmarm reiterates the advice dispensed by a wise person: “When you start to generalize, stop for a second, then put the word “all” in front of what you are generalizing about. Change it to an absolute. If your words still make sense, then go ahead; if not — it’s time to re-think.”

            Using anecdotal evidence to draw broad conclusions is seldom advisable, wouldn’t you agree?

            Perhaps it’s time for you to re-think your broad keystroke statement “Liberals are mean…” as well as the long list of generalizations you make, beginning with “Blacks are …”.

            TY again for your response.

          • HonestDebate1

            You really are hung up on yourself, it’s obnoxious. I can’t imagine being comfortable putting it on display like you do. Whatever.

            No, I didn’t watch the interview, I have no interest. What does that have to do with verification? That’s just weird. I was giving my opinion on race and empowerment.

            But i did see this, please verify it for me.

            ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389798/Oprah-Winfrey-branded-liar-Swiss-sales-assistant-racist-handbag-row.html

            The left is nastee as hell, racist too. Why do you defend it?

          • hennorama

            Test1…Bonehead – TYFYR.

            As previously indicated, allow your imagination to run wild, sir. Evidence suggests it is severely restricted and limited at present.

            So you feel qualified to comment on Ms. Winfrey and her interview without having watched it? [Alrighty then]. That makes perfect sense.

            Yeah, right.

            Whatever it is that you were try to link to – you miscopied the link. Another demerit.

            Again, you may wish to re-think your typing with broad keystrokes, sir, as you continue to generalize. Another demerit.

            TYAFYR.

          • HonestDebate1

            Are you joking? Or are you taking a lesson from me when I agree I’m stupid. Are you just agreeing you can’t comprehend to move forward … but you didn’t move forward.

            My comments were never about the incident, as I have written. My comment was about race and empowerment, as i have written. Please don’t tell me what I think.

          • hennorama

            Test1…Bonehead – TYFYR.

            Do you feel qualified to give Schoolmarm “a lesson?” Wouldn’t that make you a Schoolmarm’s Schoolmarm?

            Perhaps I misinterpreted the meaning of what you wrote – “And I disagree, it seems to me she was playing the victim.” That certainly sounds like a comment about the interview in which the incident was related.

            If you haven’t watched the interview, how did you come to the supposition that Ms. Winfrey “was playing the victim”?

            BTW, was the irony of you “playing the victim” by writing that you have “been called every name in the book around here” while at the same time writing “it seems to me she [Oprah] was playing the victim,” intentional?

            One suspects not.

            TY again for your response, and the amusement.

          • jefe68

            You really are hung up on yourself, it’s obnoxious.

          • HonestDebate1

            That’s original.

          • jefe68

            You seem to be mistaking your right wing diatribes with having integrity. The two are not inclusive and what you think is integrity is really nothing more than inanity.

        • HonestDebate1

          I just got a call for a gig on the 24th which I accepted. It came about from a gig I played Saturday night. I got to meet my most excellent congresswoman Virginia Fox as well as the owner of the Miami Dolphins but that’s another story. It turns out Freddie will be playing bass. What a pleasant surprise after just commenting about him. It will be the first time we’ve worked together in 6 years. I can’t wait.

          • jefe68

            Be sure to bring up your idea that throwing bananas at black folks is the same as doing so at whites.

          • HonestDebate1

            I’ve known Freddie for 30 years, and not just known, he’s a dear friend. I was at his wedding, I was with him when his father died, I celebrated the birth of his daughters with him, we were on the road together for years and years. We’ve been through thick and thin. Believe me, he knows my views and I know his. He would be highly insulted if you treated him as a poor helpless victim. My guess is, if you threw a banana at him he’d say thank you and eat it. He loves bananas.

          • jefe68

            Where do you get the idea I’m implying he’s a helpless victim? You don’t get it.
            Like I said, I’m done dealing with you and your ignorance.

          • HonestDebate1

            Only a helpless victim goes all to pieces over a banana. That’s the 3rd time you said you were done and you still have a low opinion of blacks.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    VDH on Obama’s legacy. He nailed it with “Obama Who?”

    “When Obama occasionally soars with the old “wind and solar” and “millions of new green jobs” tropes, most associate those references with “Solyndra.” How odd that those in the fracking business — reducing carbon emissions, lowering electricity prices, reducing dependence on foreign energy sources — have done Obama far more political good than his often inept and corrupt friends in the green subsidy racket.”

    http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=6304

    • ExcellentNews

      Fracking has created SOME jobs and has helped the economy – not because of love for Obama, but because a small number of “carbon barons” is making billons while the going is good.
      In the long run, fracking – and carbon energy – are NOT good. The jobs are a drop in the bucket because the technologies are very old and very efficient. The profits are huge, and are offshored or go to sponsor foreign despots and fundamentalist nuts.
      Solar and wind = millions of new US jobs and a better future for America’s middle class, provided we have the balls to go for it. It will take persistence and there will be failures. Shame on Obama for backing off after Solyndra. Bush wasted 2.1 TRILLION on contractor cronies in the middle east. That kind of investment would have been better spent on renewable American energy with American jobs. But I guess no billion-dollar offshore accounts would have ever come out of it…

      • OnPointComments

        Is the $2.1 trillion exclusive of the $568 million dollar no-bid contract awarded to KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, under the Obama administration in May 2010, or does it include it? Does it matter that in 2008 Candidate Obama said “I will finally end the abuse of no-bid contracts once and for all,” or is that merely a technicality which he was not obliged to follow through on?

      • HonestDebate1

        What is you view on the Obama administration not enforcing environmental laws regarding wind power?

        • OnPointComments

          I read an article a while back about Exxon paying $600,000 for killing 85 birds in an oil spill. All of the usual suspects jumped in their gasoline-powered cars and rushed to microphones powered by carbon fuel to tell the world how evil Exxon was. They extol the virtues of wind turbines but conveniently ignore the 600,000 birds killed each year by wind turbines. I could tolerate the unrealistically idealistic liberals so much better if they were at least consistent instead of hypocritical.

          • HonestDebate1

            The last study I saw was 888,000 bats (per year) and 573,000 birds including 83,000 raptors (hawks, falcons, eagles). There have been zero fines.

  • fun bobby

    at one point AQ was about 5000 people and we have a million trying to defeat them for some reason.
    oboma’s “take my ball and go home” diplomacy is a new low

    • hennorama

      FB – why do you call President Obama “oboma?”

      • fun bobby

        ease of typing

        • hennorama

          yeah, right.

          • OnPointComments

            It seems to me that if “ease of typing” is truly the reason, FB would have settled on “obomo” since it employs fewer fingers to type.

          • hennorama

            OPC – I believe my double positive expressed my shared skepticism.

          • fun bobby

            what’s your theory?

          • hennorama

            FB – I have no theory. My question was a true open question, as I do not know a) the meaning of “oboma” as you have used it, and b) why you use that term when referring to President Obama.

            Context indicates the term has a negative connotation.

            I’d appreciate your most honest answer, and look forward to your response.

          • HonestDebate1

            Prince Reebus.

          • fun bobby

            seems like despite your claims to the opposite you knew exactly who I was referring to. that’s not honest at all

          • hennorama

            FB – obviously your use of ‘oboma’ was in reference to the President. I never indicated otherwise. My question remains WHY you use that term, and secondarily, what does ‘oboma’ mean? As stated, the connotation seems negative, and I really don’t know what it means, or why you use the term.

          • fun bobby

            just a lack of attention to spelling, its funny you read into it

          • hennorama

            OK, thanks for your response.

          • fun bobby

            good idea!

  • hennorama

    This week saw both the 68th anniversary of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on August 6th and 9th, 1945, and the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty on August 5, 1963.

  • ExcellentNews

    Obama closes the embassies, POX news shills “Grave mistake, shows fear…”

    Obama leaves the embassies open, POX news shills “Grave mistake, endangers Americans…”

    The stream of illogical hate from POX, the Tea Party and so forth is sickening. Wait! It is not illogical… Traitor Roger Ailes, foreigner Rupert Murdoch, and a small club of kindred global oligarchs is angry that their offspring may have to pay inheritance tax…

    • HonestDebate1

      There is no need to be bitter just because you were named you after Fox.

    • Don_B1

      Don’t mind the chief troll on this site (though with a few competitors). As anyone can see, he has trouble with grammar not to mention facts. And ad hominem attacks are a subspecialty.

      • HonestDebate1

        I’m sure I have no idea who you are referring to but you did make me notice I had an extra word in my comment so I fixed it. But be careful, playing grammar cop always comes back to bite you.

        I hate ad hominem attacks. They are so stupid.

        • hennorama

          Is calling an ad hominem attack ‘stupid’ an ad oppugnandam attack?

          • HonestDebate1

            No, and I don’t even know what it means… if anything. I just try to be nice and if I attack someone it is never gratuitously. I am convinced they deserve it.

          • hennorama

            1Nastee Hotbed – TYFYR.

            “Schoolmarm Says”: an ad oppugnandam attack means ‘an attack on an attack because it’s an attack.”

            Schoolmarm’s Latin’s a bit rusty though, so that may be a bit off. Unfortunately, explaining Schoolmarm humor is seldom as much fun as creating Schoolmarm humor.

            Thanks everso for forcing this delineation. You receive 1 demerit, but no added homework.

          • 1Brett1

            That reminds me of an old Yiddish expression. Roughly translated, it means: “better to explain schoolmarm humor than to teach a rascal pretending to be well behaved.”

        • 1Brett1

          Except when you want to belittle or otherwise taunt someone by saying they are not using complete sentences or some variation, or you are attacking their usage of one word or phrase…”they deserve it.” It’s gratuitous if they do it; they deserve it if you do…you are such a little man. I’d say you are stupid, but you at least claim you already know that.

          • HonestDebate1

            I don’t engage in ad hominem attacks. I don’t play grammar cop. I treat you much better than you deserve and would never be so nasty as you are to me and others. But you’re right, I am stupid.

          • 1Brett1

            “so it is written, so it shall be known!”

            No, you simply have no self-awareness….At least we agree on your stupidity.

          • HonestDebate1

            I am aware I’m stupid.

          • jefe68

            And ignorant.

    • hennorama

      EN – it took me a sec to get “POX News.” Well done.

    • OnPointComments

      You could always change the channel to MSNBC. If their TV personalities (they’re certainly not journalists) found out that President Obama enjoyed drowning puppies and kittens in the basement of the White House, they would lead with a banner headline “President Obama solves pet overpopulation problem.” Chris Matthews would maniacally rant that any criticism of the practice was racist, and Rachel Maddow would look pensively into the camera and explain how transformative the Obama presidency has been.

      • hennorama

        OPC – that gets a [Vote up] simply for humor.

        Très drôle, monsieur.

      • ExcellentNews

        LOL, very funny. But funny does not make true…
        Have you considered applying as a story writer for Fox or the Wall St Journal? I almost expect to hear the “Breaking News – Obama kills puppies and puts their skins next to his Kenyan Birth Certificate…”

    • fun bobby

      murdoc made a significant contribution to the obomo reelection effort

      • 1Brett1

        Don’t ever change, there, Fido Biddy!

        • fun bobby

          brett,you still don’t have a point?

          • 1Brett1

            I’m modeling my comments after yours!

          • fun bobby

            sorry I bothered with you

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      The right-wing media output is utterly predictable. It was showered on Clinton when part of Penna Ave was blocked off to ordinary vehicles sometime in the ’90s, after some terrorist attack.

  • OnPointComments

    I think there is enough disparagement to cover both parties. There are few, if any, statesmen left in either party.

  • fun bobby

    I bet putin could even beat obomo at basketball

    • 1Brett1

      Come on, Futon Bomber, he’s got reach. Besides, Putin doesn’t even play.

      • fun bobby

        that’s not quicker to type

        • 1Brett1

          It’s easier for me. Why so nasty? I don’t question your typing approach, Filo Booty.

          • fun bobby

            oh brett so desperate for attention, yet unable to stay on topic

          • 1Brett1

            Aww, don’t be so hard on yourself, fecal booby.

  • Ray in VT

    Art Robinson just became the Oregon state GOP’s Chairman. That should make for some interesting party position statements.

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