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Susan Rice’s Appointment As National Security Adviser

President Obama names UN ambassador Susan Rice as his new national security adviser.  Plus, protest and crackdown in Turkey.

President Barack Obama stands with UN Ambassador Susan Rice, his choice to be his next National Security Adviser, right, current National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, who is resigning, second from right, and Samantha Power, his nominee to be the next UN Ambassador, left, Wednesday, June 5, 2013, in the Rose Garden at the White House in Washington, where he made the announcement. (AP)

President Barack Obama stands with UN Ambassador Susan Rice, his choice to be his next National Security Adviser, right, current National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, who is resigning, second from right, and Samantha Power, his nominee to be the next UN Ambassador, left, Wednesday, June 5, 2013, in the Rose Garden at the White House in Washington, where he made the announcement. (AP)

A big changing of the guard on the Obama national security and foreign policy front yesterday.  A “defiant” changing of the guard, goes the instant reporting.

Susan Rice, early Obama supporter and UN ambassador who has taken deep heat over Benghazi, will be the president’s new National Security Adviser.  The adviser closest to his side when the chips are down.  Samantha Power will be UN envoy.

Republicans will rage over Rice.  This second-term president seems to suggest he doesn’t care.

This hour, On Point:  the Rice appointment.  And we’ll look at protest and crackdown in Turkey.

- Tom Ashbrook

Guests

James Kitfield, senior national security correspondent at the National Journal. (@jameskitfield)

Kori Schake, research fellow at the Hoover Institution, and professor of international security studies at the United States Military Academy. Senator John McCain’s national security advisor during his 2008 campaign.

Heather Hurlburt, executive director of the think tank National Security Network. She served in the Clinton Administration as special assistant and speechwriter to the President, also speechwriter for Secretaries of State Albright and Christopher, and as a member of the State Department’s Policy Planning staff. (@natsecheather)

Closing Segment on Turkey

Hugh Pope, director of the Turkey/Cyprus Project for the International Crisis Group. Co-author — with Nicole Pope — of “Turkey Unveiled: A History of Modern Turkey.”

From Tom’s Reading List

CNN: Susan Rice to replace Tom Donilon as national security adviser — “President Barack Obama on Wednesday announced he was bringing longtime confidante Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador caught up in political controversy over the Benghazi terrorist attack, to the White House to succeed Tom Donilon as national security adviser. Donilon had been widely expected to step down in Obama’s second term, and the president thanked him for his service in announcing the change in the White House Rose Garden.”

Bloomberg View: What Susan Rice’s White House Promotion Means — “In the period when the Senate’s scapegoating of Rice was at its peak, Obama seemed frustrated by the manner in which she was treated. Her appointment today is partly payback for her loyalty, and a thumb in the eyes of her Senate critics. It is also a sign that the president and Rice are in sync on a broad set of issues, and here is where it gets interesting.”

ABC News: White House Benghazi Emails Show Susan Rice Got a Bad Rap — “But Rice didn’t invent the notion of spontaneous protest. And although she downplayed indications of an al Qaeda connection to the attack, that wasn’t her idea, either. Rice was the White House’s messenger on Benghazi, and although she was carrying a message that proved to be wrong, we know now that she herself had nothing to do with the crafting of that message. It turns out that Rice’s comments did come from the now-infamous CIA talking points and, while those talking points were heavily edited, the White House emails suggest Rice had no part in the editing process.”

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  • http://freeourfreemarkets.org/ Steve Banicki

    Obama made some political mistakes regarding handling of Benghazi and Ms. Rice took a bullet on his behalf. I hope she has the skills to do her new job. Obama’s tenure will be defined by his inability to finalize a plan to get our debt under control and totally get the economy back on course. Instead, early on he became paranoid with his lack of knowledge and experience and has done nothing.

    It all started with healthcare…. http://lstrn.us/17JMV1M

    • Mike_Card

      Oh, stop it!  The debt has decreased by 800B, and nobody has acceded to that office knowing how to do it.

      • http://freeourfreemarkets.org/ Steve Banicki

        Look, the buck stops at the Whitehouse. It is not acceptable for the President to surrender and give up.

        • 1Brett1

          I heard all he does is hide under the desk in the Oval Office and drink malt liquor all day…

          • http://freeourfreemarkets.org/ Steve Banicki

            I heard you have been under there with him. What are you doing under his desk?

          • 1Brett1

            You seem to have an obsessive curiosity about what goes on under his desk.

          • http://freeourfreemarkets.org/ Steve Banicki

            No, it sounds like you may have actually been under it and I was curious what you were doing.

        • Don_B1

          What is NOT, repeat NOT, “acceptable” is for the opposition to totally oppose and drag out (notably the deceptive “negotiation” on healthcare with no intention of agreeing to vote for it under ANY circumstances) so that the seven-month period where Democrats had 60 votes for cloture against Republican filibusters disappeared in the dust and haze of Republican obstinacy to even consider the merits of anything Obama proposed.

          With the Republican misuse of the filibuster, President Obama had a Sisyphean task to get what should have been his first results after getting a strong healthcare reform bill, more stimulus to lower unemployment, but every proposal went nowhere in the Senate as well as the House.

          • http://freeourfreemarkets.org/ Steve Banicki

            All of which you state is true. As President, he does not have the luxury of playing Pontius Pilate, washing his hands and giving up. 

          • Don_B1

            Where do you see him giving up?

            Many to the left of the hard rightwing think he didn’t try hard enough, but most agree that if he had tried harder it would not have made any difference.

            And not trying harder is a long way from “washing his hands and giving up.”

    • northeaster17

      Trying to decide if this post and it’s link are based upon ignorance or disingenuousness.

      • http://freeourfreemarkets.org/ Steve Banicki

        Neither! It was based on careful thought and analysis. 

        • northeaster17

          The deficit is going down at it’s fastest rate since the end of WW2 and Obama Care is already showing a decrease in health insurance premiums. Hence my responce.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I’m trying to decide if this comment is based upon ignorance, disingenuousness or a desire to post outrageous comments as a means of attracting attention.

          • Don_B1

            If you are referring to your and Mr. Banicki’s comments, you are correct, otherwise sadly deluded.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            If only I could go back to the blissfulness of ignorance, Please Doni tell me your secret for staying so… ignorant.

          • Ray in VT

            Fox News, conservative talk radio are probably at the top of the list, plus Ayn Rand’s philosophy and anyone who espouses it.

          • Don_B1

            … are the ways most rightwing ideologues find to stay ignorant.

          • Don_B1

            In a (serious?) discussion, you rival abilities of the woman Barney Frank used the dining room table metaphor to describe.

  • Coastghost

    Verizon subscribers may hope that outgoing NSA Donilon has not been dutifully forwarding their call records to the dutiful Internal Revenue Service . . .

    • Wm_James_from_Missouri

      You may know that I have posted on this subject before. It is alarming that nothing is being done about all of this intrusive spying. This is OUTRAGES ! It is subversion at the highest levels ! It has spanned two administrations. All of these people need to be brought to justice and I mean ALL OF THEM, Bush, also !

      • northeaster17

        On Point should do a show on that building in Utah and what is happening there. The silence is deafening.

        • DrewInGeorgia

          We already know what the Utah facility’s purpose is. We didn’t squawk about Patriot Acts I and II or the Military Commissions Act of 2006, it’s a little late to start screaming “The sky is falling!” now.

          On Point should do a show on
          Criminal Identity Theft.
          Unfortunately they have more important matters to focus on, crucial topics such as five year old brats shoving each other around and name-calling on the playground.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            The “like” is for how the Patriot Acts or Military Commissions Act were ignored by people who now think Benghazi is worse than Watergate and Susan Rice is worse than (insert disgraced Watergate figure here).

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        I was starting to agree and then you lost me.

  • Ed75

    Did Mr. Donilon step aside to make a spot for Ms. Rice?

  • StilllHere

    This is the first time I’m glad I’m an AT&T subscriber!

    Qualifications for head of NSA appear to consist of willful ignorance and willingness to relay administration lies no matter how incredulous. 

    • adks12020

      The NSA is the National Security Agency. The head of the NSA and the National Security Advisor are not the same person. They are two separate posts in two different organizations. The position Rice was appointed to is a White House Staff position

      Also, if you think it’s just Verizon you should think again.  I bet it’s further reaching than just one company.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      What was the old axiom, 
      Never write down what can be said,
      Never speak when you can not,
      Never nod when all you need to do is wink.

      ;/ 

  • HonestDebate1

    Another loyal lying soldier promoted, nothing new here. It was a forgone conclusion.

  • 1Brett1

    This should be interesting, and perhaps a test to see just how–within a narrow context–conservatives can be creative in their many variations on “Susan Rice lied” or “Obama is a very bad man.” It’ll be like hearing a guitar player play a Blues solo in Bb using only a pentatonic scale…my guess is that we’ll all get bored fairly quickly. 

    The unfortunate thing is once upon a time the Benghazi attack and the Administration’s handling of events leading up to, during, and after the attack would have been worthy of discussion…now, conservatives have spun it in so many stupid ways and have accused anyone who doesn’t completely agree with their (“greatest-est-est-est-est scandal-andal-andal-andal in-n-n-n history-ry-ry-ry-ry”) nonsense must be sniffing Obama’s butt and claiming to behold the scent of roses. I’ve just gotten to the point where the only logical response to them seems to be, “just shut the hell up and sit down!”    

    The most despicable neocon drivel was about Obama being blind drunk and passed out during the crucial parts of the emergency…I’m surprised they didn’t say he was high on crack and busy selling White House heirlooms at a Washington pawnshop during the attack and later was hanging out at Marion Barry’s house. 

    • HonestDebate1

      I own the drunk meme, I have not seen anyone, anywhere at anytime allege it. I don’t know why, it’s the kindest explanation.

      • 1Brett1

        I wouldn’t normally respond to such a reply…

        But I digress, I am a little concerned that your self-esteem is sinking; your reply sounds as though you think of yourself as a nobody (“…I have not seen anyone, anywhere at anytime allege it.”). 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        When did you stop fellating farm animals?

        It’s the kindest explanation.

    • nj_v2

      I think he was kicking puppies for a while, too.

      • Ray in VT

        Plus he experimented on kittens.

        • Don_B1

          @nj_v2:disqus @rayinvt:disqus 

          What he really did was soil his name (Gregg) and have to come up with a new “moniker.”

  • HonestDebate1

    So now it’s conservatives who are spinning and not Rice. That’s rich. 

    • Don_B1

      It is also correct, only it is not new.

  • donniethebrasco

    She must have something big on Obama.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      She knows he smokes.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        Cigars? Quick! Somebody get Ken Starr on the line!

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          I don’t care who ya are, that’s funny right there.

  • donniethebrasco

    I guess the head of Obama’s campaign, “Organizing for America” already has someone at the helm.

    Is it a 401(c) 4?
    Is it Obama’s presidential campaign?

    It was Obama’s presidential campaign, now it is a 401(c)4.  I just want to know what they pray.

    • Don_B1

      A 501(c)4 does not have to be religious; the I.R.S. definition is that they are generally “Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees.”

      The 1913 law establishing the designation required that they be exclusively concerned with the social welfare of the community. In 1959, someone in the I.R.S. “defined” “exclusively” to mean being “primarily working for the social welfare” of the community, without any discernable legal basis.

      Therefore NOT ONE of the “flagged” organizations, independent of the criteria, should convey tax-deductibility to their donors.

      Many of the applying organizations stated in their applications, under penalty of perjury, that they were not advocating for political candidates while simultaneously doing just that.

      I am sure you will not take any of this into account in your future rants, even though you would like to prove me wrong. Not to mention calling for prosecuting those organizations which committed perjury.

  • erictremont

    The difference between Ambassador Rice and Secretary of State Clinton is that while both have well deserved reputations for toughness, Hillary usually managed to be tough without being abrasive, while Ms. Rice has trouble not being abrasive.  Hard to imagine how Ms. Rice will be effective in her new role as her personal style seems to be ill suited for the consensus building that the NSC requires.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      When it was Rumstud* and F–k You Cheney, nobody complained about abrasiveness. It was almost a point of pride; the press loved how Rummy and Cheney went off the rails.

      • erictremont

        I think you missed my point—Rumsfeld and Cheney’s abrasiveness did not serve the Bush administration well, I fear that Susan Rice suffers from the same problem. 

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          I disagree with “not serving the previous admin well”.

          I remember too many people in the media being absolute wimps to Rumsfeld and Cheney. It reached the point that any interviewer these two (especially Cheney) would sit for (back when it mattered) were almost by definition incapable of giving them the kind of interview that the country deserved.

          The admin got away with that. It served the administration well.

          The rest of the public? Journalism, as a profession? Those two groups suffered mightily.

          Americans weren’t done right by that mix of bad, weak journalists and their bended-knee posture to Washington official and unofficial power.

          • erictremont

            Press coverage of Rice and Power have also been inadequate.  Rice initially supported the invasion of Iraq (until she changed her mind), but you seldom read about that in her press coverage.

          • Don_B1

            I agree with you that Cheney/Rumsfeld abrasiveness did not particularly hurt them with the majority of Americans, and even was applauded by the Republican base, but erictremont has a point when international opinion is considered.

  • Coastghost

    I keenly objected to the Obama Admin. spin on Benghazi and Susan Rice’s role in uncritically transmitting to the nation whatever message the Obama White House had in mind following the attack: the discrepencies in Rice’s Sunday-after accounts have since come to light, et cetera.
    Remains to be seen whether Obama’s appointment of Rice as NSA will work for anyone: to have heard ATC’s characterization of the position Wed. p.m., the NSA works as a traffic cop directing the flow of intelligence from its many sources through the White House for Presidential consumption. Rice only has to have Obama’s approval to get the job: but her performance ON the job may show just how capable she is. What’s the standard warning: “past performance does not guarantee comparable future results”, which of course can cut both ways. Military and intelligence professionals have their jobs to do, too, irrespective of however exalted Obama thinks Rice is.

  • 1Brett1

    So far, the “Obama is a very bad man” seems to be ahead of the “Susan Rice lied” diatribes…

  • John Cedar

    He is the most divisive president the country has ever known in modern times.
    Hard to say if this decision was driven by petulance or if it is intended to divert attention from his many controversies. Probably both.

    He does know that a good part of the country agrees with, “what difference does it make”. Workplace violence at the consulate is just a part of life. And what difference does it make if we lock up a guy on trumped up  probation charges for making a hilarious movie? In a state that lets movie makers escape after Roman around and share in tain’t of 13 year olds with prelude by Quaalude.

    So Obama hopes the GOP will take the bait. And they prolly will.
    But now the lefttopians are nervous. Will they continue to carry his water for him? Or will they give in to thier fear? First them came for foxNEWS…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      This is satire, isn’t it?

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       GWB put John Bolton in as UN Ambassador as a recess appointment in direct opposition to congress’ dislike for the man.

      • Ray in VT

        But that was a brave act by a true conservative, and Bolton’s abrasive personality was probably described as a plus in those days.

  • Coastghost

    NPR’s Morning Edition said just over an hour ago that, while the NSA action is perfectly legal, the NSA ”interpretation” of the FISA court ruling MAY HAVE BEEN “overly broad”. Why, yes, it just might have been.
    How able an interpreter of court rulings do we know Susan Rice to be? The interpretive nuance that she brought to the Benghazi episode does not offer any hopeful signs . . . .

  • Acnestes

    It is just so satisfying to see Obama deliver a flat out FU to the Republicans and the asses they rode in on.  I hope he keeps it up.  It’s long overdue.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      I’m glad that you subscribe to the tit for tat school of political science.  Where did you learn it, at the Kennedy School or at Tammany Hall?

      • Acnestes

         Stop disgracing my flag, rube.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Molon labe.

  • DrewInGeorgia

    Oh look, the gang’s all here and the show hasn’t even begun. Guess you have a shiny new invisible bone to run around barking about. Six more months of nutjob nonsense. Grow up crybabies.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Good morning Drew.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        Good morning RWB! It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood isn’t it? :)

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          I always say that we don’t get enough of these perfect days here in New England, but when we do they are the best.

  • tpaste

    Why are you ignoring what’s going on in Turkey? Can’t believe you & all other NPR discussion shows have given the upheaval there no air-time whatsoever this week … I’m sure today’s menu will be enjoyable & interesting as always, but let’s get our head out of domestic political squabbling & pay attention to something that really matters, eh? You did a whole show on Syria earlier this week … What about a show on our actual ally now?

  • Shag_Wevera

    It is as though the president is flicking a booger into the face of his republican foes.  I LOVE it!!!

  • Shag_Wevera

    If the republicans are going to stonewall the entire Obama presidency, he might as well take every opportunity to antagonize them.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      I’m glad that you subscribe to the tit for tat school of political science.  Where did you learn it, at the Kennedy School or at Tammany Hall?

    • Acnestes

      Does anyone else ever wonder if the rube is a ‘bot?  He gave the same answer to me above, and seems to repeat the same non sequiturs a lot.  Just like a  shoddily written program.

      • 1Brett1

        I thought RWB stood for Ro W. Bot?!?!

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Don’t flatter yourself, you never think. 

          • 1Brett1

            Who has to with comments such as yours on this forum?

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Glad to know that you are saving your intellectual energies, such scarce commodities need to be conserved.

          • 1Brett1

            Yes, quite. Reading your comments, one might very well see intellectual energies as scarce commodities indeed.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        And neither of you could answer.  Maybe the question is beyond your programming.  

    • Don_B1

      What he needs to do, as he is doing here, is show the complete lack of seriousness from the Republican side.

  • Michiganjf

    Justice!

       Ambassador Rice has proven to be an excellent public servant to the American people!

    It would be a tragedy to lose such a devoted and capable talent, simply because a handful of infants in the Republican Party want to play “sandbox politics!”

    Well done, Mr. Obama!

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      And Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is still in jail for freedom of speech.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakoula_Basseley_Nakoula

      • Ray in VT

        In jail for freedom of speech?  I guess that I’ve just been duped into thinking that he got nailed for being a convicted felon who violated his parole.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          It ain’t the first time.

          • Ray in VT

            I guess that not all of us can know that the Spanish green jobs initiative destroyed their economy or that the Great Wall was a really effective method of securing the border that allowed Chinese civilization to flower.

            So do you have any proof to back up your position, or do you just have the more of the same sort conspiratorial nonsense to so many from the Tea Party seem to peddle?

      • Don_B1

        Nakoula pled guilty to four of multiple charges of probation violation and making false statements.

        So you are arguing that he is free to say anything to law officers as a First Amendment right?

        Or are you just thinking the ignorant among us who tend to think ill of President Obama will unquestioningly pile on with your position of hating Obama?

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          I’m sure that being blamed for Benghazi had no influence on how he pled.

          Abstract:
          Though extensive due process protections apply to the investigation of crimes, and to criminal trials, perhaps the most important part of the criminal process — the decision whether to charge a defendant, and with what — is almost entirely discretionary. Given the plethora of criminal laws and regulations in today’s society, this due process gap allows prosecutors to charge almost anyone they take a deep interest in. This Essay discusses the problem in the context of recent prosecutorial controversies involving the cases of Aaron Swartz and David Gregory, and offers some suggested remedies, along with a call for further discussion.

          http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2203713

  • Jasoturner

    Well, if Condoleeza could do this job (or at least tried), I guess Susan can handle it.  Prickly personality, though.

    • Don_B1

      I think she can really outshine Condoleeza, who initially had trouble dealing with the Cheney/Rumsfeld initiatives and countering their deficiencies.

      But if she was a (white) man, she would just be viewed as a strong person with a lot of intelligence and savvy.

      Just because she tends to not suffer fools gladly should not disqualify her.

  • Davesix6

    Interesting article today in the National Journal, first paragraph reads;
    Welcome to the era of Bush-Obama, a 16-year span of U.S. history that will be remembered for an unprecedented erosion of civil liberties and a disregard for transparency. On the war against a tactic—terrorism—and its insidious fallout, the United States could have skipped the 2008 election.
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/welcome-to-the-bush-obama-white-house-they-re-spying-on-us-20130606
     
    Susan Rice is already a part of the Obama Machine so no doubt as National Security Advisor she will assist in growing the government to a state that would amaze even George Orwell.

    The black helicopters are real.

  • Ray in VT

    So much vitriol gets directed at some administration officials.  The President, Eric Holder, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett.  What is it that they all have in common?

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Blind allegiance to socialist policies and a disregard for the rule of law. 

      • Ray in VT

        You could be a comedy writer with those skillz.  “Blind allegiance to socialist policies”.  Hahaha.  I suppose that to the day dream believers who hold onto the fantasy of laissez-faire any level of government action from about the last 100 years looks like socialism.

      • Don_B1

        Proof?  Answer: none!

        All snark bullpucky!

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       OMG — the race card.  Really?  You’ve been watching too much Chris Matthews.

      • Ray in VT

        I was talking about lefties.  Why do some people always have to go to race?

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           Nice try. :)

          • Ray in VT

            Seriously.  What does the right have against left-handed people?

    • toc1234

      They put politics before national interests. And they are all in over their heads.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Over their heads?

        That’s so cute, compared to the little shoes each of them had to fill.

      • Ray in VT

        Funny.  Those things seemed to be qualifications for service under the previous occupier of the Oval Office.

      • Don_B1

        That perfectly describes the vitriol spewers, but not the members of the Obama administration.

    • 1Brett1

      Well, their lips may say things like, “socialism” or “systematic destruction of our country” or “corruption of power,” etc., but their eyes say, “watermelon, fried chicken, crack, malt liquor, Newports…” 

      Actually, that’s neither fair nor true: their lips do say things about drunkenness, cigarette smoking, “race card,” etc.  

  • toc1234

    obviously this is Rice’s reward for keeping her mouth shut on the Benghazi video protest talking points. 

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    Rand Paul – running his mouth again.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Does Ms. Rice have national security credentials?
    Does Obama want a ‘yes man’ or someone to give him no bs advice on security issues?

  • Coastghost

    Why didn’t Obama compliment Rice on her looks yesterday, the way he complimented the California AG recently? What a missed opportunity!

  • William

    She does have that Henry Kissinger ability to go on tv and lie,  and like Henry she is very obedient and knows how to follow orders.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      Henry Kissinger? George W. Bush.

      • William

         Bill and Hillary Clinton.

        • DrewInGeorgia

          The fact that you think any lies or misrepresentations perpetrated by the Clintons outweigh those of George W. Bush speaks volumes. How about we weigh the lies in terms of resulting deaths and destruction of property? There’s a pretty clear winner and he was a much bigger loser.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            B-b-b-but Drew, I have it on the highest authority (Cokie Roberts) that BothSides!!111one!

          • William

            Nobody can lie better than the Clintons. Iraq Liberation Act – Clinton.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            How is the air on Williamworld today?

          • William

             Fellow Traveler how is that NSA thing going?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    There’s just something embarrassing about how “lying in talking points” is the end-all and be-all argument on the right wing, therefore the press corps has to pretend it’s not crap.

    Can we get a public radio person to say “the heat of the Republican criticism” is bullshite?

    Can we get anyone to remember what happened when Karl Rove was ordered to go before Congress and said “fnck you”?

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      I will state this as clearly as I am able:  
      NPR is part of the Democrat Party.  

      They serve the most powerful Democrat constituency: Government Bureaucrats  

      Their corruption comes from bribery but from the corrosive effects of group-think.   

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        I will state this as clearly as I am able:

        My “Jew Laywer” friend knows what kind of person says “Democrat party”, and stops reading at that point.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          It is hard to believe that a virulent anti semite like you has any friends.  But it is not so hard to believe that you often need a lawyer.  

          • StilllHere

            Criminal at that, betcha.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Wow. For once I don’t put “This is a joke” and “I’m making fun of how anti-Semites like to drawl that phrase in circumstances when the Jewish person knows not to say anything because of immediate physical threat” and you can’t figure out the slightest bit of sarcasm.

            You got comprehension problems.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I comprehend quite well thank you.

          • Acnestes

            This is why I suspect that the rube is a ‘bot.  An actual person of average intelligence would grasp the context of the whole post and understand the irony, but this things algorithms aren’t sophisticated enough to cope.  They just lock on to , “jew lawyer”, and “friend” and spin up a word salad reply, which seems to happen a lot.  I think the guys who wrote the program just let it run itself for the most part, but if it gets really off the rails they intervene and inject some statements themselves to make appear human.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        Democratic Party.

        How dare large groups of people think about something and reach a mutual consensus.

        NPR draws criticism from both sides of the aisle which to me demonstrates that they at least occasionally do something right.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          You get a “like”, but I have a thought exercise for you:

          If NPR ever did what the mainstream American right wanted to, so as to stop the criticism from the right wing, would NPR be worth listening to?

          (I have my own answer; just want to know yours.)

          • DrewInGeorgia

            No.
            I want to hear it all. If I only wanted one side of the story (even if it were the side I preferred) I would listen to and read material from The Usual Suspects. NPR and BBC seem to be about as close as we can come to objectivity so I stick with them.
            Still gotta read between the lines though.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            What sources do you use for conflicting opinions? 

          • DrewInGeorgia

            I still pay as much attention as I can to the extremities, there are only so many hours in the day though. We all know who the usual suspects are, do I really need to name them? They stretch as far as the eye can see in both directions.

            Let’s just say I go so far as to cut AM radio on when time and reason permit.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            …there are only so many hours in the day though.
            That is why I refer to reading too much news.
            I applaud your attempts at balance, I hope I can contribute.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I’m all for thought exercises.
            The best way for NPR to be even more worthless would be to bend to the prevailing political wind by supporting who ever is in office.

            But as I have stated before, they are the voice of the right.  Totalitarian statists that vary little in my opinion.  Those that seek to have unlimited government weather they claim that god says so, or Marx, or “Science” are all to the “right.”      

          • DrewInGeorgia

            I guess “No” isn’t really accurate. It would still be worth listening to but I would no longer qualify it as generally respectable journalism.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          In a husband and wife argument there maybe two sides, but in politics there are many more.  NPR has a habit of favoring one side, that is not because of mutual consensus but because they are blissfully un-self-aware and intellectual lazy.  

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            NPR favors the right.

            Because NPR is incapable of pushing leftwards out of a wet paper bag.

            But if some right wing nutjob says something that Drudge repeats, it climbs up from the sewer (through Politico, the WaPo editorial page), ends up in the “respectable” press, and then, bingo! It’s “out there” and NPR has to talk about it.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          LOL.  I was listening to NPR last night have a love fest over how Michelle Obama handled the lesbian protester at the private fund raiser.  They went on and on fawning and praising.

          Imagine if Laura Bush had done the identical thing while the protester was being escorted out of the private fund raiser.  Do you really believe they would have treated Ms. Bush the same.  She would have been labelled ‘intolerant’ — or worse.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       The ‘talking points’ scandal is front and center because it is demonstrably provable deception in the midst of an election.  Benghazi was an embarrassment to the false narrative that Obama had destroyed Al Qaeda.

      However, the problems with Benghazi are much deeper.  We really don’t know everything that went on because of the lack of transparency.  Much of this is the due to the lack of coverage by the media.  We have a massive attacked — filmed on video –that killed 4 Americans.  We have 30+ survivors of the attack.  Why haven’t the survivors been interviewed on say — 60 Minutes?  Why hasn’t their story been told?
      Who was in charge of the military decisions not to send in  either special forces help or jet over flights?  Where was the President during the 7 hour attack?  Why was the requested security denied in the months leading up to the attack?  There are many more questions that could be answered if there was transparency.  We are suspicious because the regime is not forthcoming with information.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Keep spinning those wheels. Keep microparsing.

        I’ll just cue up my “right wingers lying us into war or I’m a traitor” Greatest Hits DVD.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           Hillary Clinton voted for that war.  Take it up with her.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            More of that “everyone got all the intel” shite. What a surprise.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Yeah, everyone got it wrong — including the French, British and Saddam’s Generals.

          • StilllHere

            We only like their welfare state tendencies.

            You’re wasting your time with this poorly programmed post-bot.

        • pete18

           Keep that head buried in the sand, you look good with your butt up in the air.

          • StilllHere

            My bad, I thought that was his face.

          • Ray in VT

            I wouldn’t blame anyone for mistaking someone’s behind for your face.

      • Ray in VT

        “the false narrative that Obama had destroyed Al Qaeda.”  You mean like when people were chanting about how Al Qaeda was dead on GM was alive during the Democratic Convention?  There are certainly issues regarding the failures surrounding that Benghazi attacks.  It’s just a shame that the GOP wants to focus on some supposed coverup.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           When the regime is not forthcoming is it a coverup?  Not necessarily but we must ask why they aren’t transparent.  It is simply because exposure will be embarrassing?  Perhaps.  But we have to ask why they give Ms. Rice a promotion and at the same time give Mr. Hicks a demotion.

          This is similar to Fast and Furious.  The GOP asks questions and the regime doesn’t answer. They invoke — ‘Executive privilege’.  Then the defenders of the regime calls ‘political witch hunt’ because the GOP keeps asking the questions that have yet to be answered.

          IF the admin was transparent they might suffer a short term embarrassment but trust in the government would be served.

          The only reason the regime can even try to stonewall is because they have a compliant media.

          • Ray in VT

            It depends, I guess.  Is the administration (I reserve regime for perhaps unelected or dubiously elected leaders) merely not saying, or are they actively trying to hide something?  There have been emails released, and State Department officials were told to talk to the review board if they had something to add.  Much of what has come out lately, though, I don’t think either contradicts what came to light towards the end of last year or substantially adds to our knowledge of what occurred on that night of the attack.  Instead, the GOP and the conservative media seems to want to try to spin some tale about how the administration created some story about a protest out of whole cloth in an attempt to coverup terrorist involvement, and I think that that is a total load of b.s.  More substantial questions could certainly be asked about how it is that the State Department allocated its security personnel and whether or not the Libyan government’s banning for private security contractors, and State’s use of them over the past number of years, in any way contributed to how security at the Libyan facilities was handled.

    • notafeminista

      Nah…we’re too busy remembering Mr. Hope and Change is driving the bus now.

      • Ray in VT

        Yeah, that and just about everyone on the right’s memory starts with the day that Obama was inaugurated, which is why Benghazi is the worst thing that Cheney can remember.  It’s amazing how many on the right discovered outrage once W. was out of office.  It’s kind of like how the GOP stopped pushing for a balanced budget amendment in Congress once Bush got in, but they picked it back up when Obama came around.

        • 1Brett1

          The least the GOP could do is claim “alien abduction!” and make some attempt to explain their behavior!

          • Ray in VT

            I think that the lizard people from Dimension X that David Icke descriped in Children of the Matrix are to blame.

  • X-Ray

    One would expect the National Security Advisor to have a deep capacity for insightful analysis to discern the root cause of situations, conflicts and international concerns. A history of repeating, unchallenged, statements and spin of supporting agencies would not seem to demonstrate a good fit for this candidate to fulfill those qualification criteria.

  • Davesix6

    If the UN Ambassador as Obama said ”had nothing to do with Benghazi” then why was Rice sent out by Obama as his spokesperson?
    There is no accountability by President Obama or anyone in his administration.

    • StilllHere

      Certainly not at the top!  Scapegoats aplenty.

  • Coastghost

    So Obama will be relying on both Rice and Power to assure us all that no red line in Syria exists or has been crossed, or that red is not actually and really red.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    “Rice was unconfirmable as Secretary of State, but I’ll be the better man and try to work with her and her failed president.”

    This is hilarious. I mean, I didn’t even need to be told that it was on Hannity.

    Tom, is there any clip of someone anything like a partisan lefty putting the screws to Lindsay Graham?

    All I’m getting out of that clip is that Graham is a disgrace to the Senate (yknow, the “chamber for grownups”) and that public radio needs to do more media crit on who “respectable” Republicans will sit for.

  • Coastghost

    What defense of NSA appropriation of Verizon phone records will designee Rice offer? Also: why have her ingenious diplomatic efforts at the UN to end the Syrian slaughter been ineffectual?

  • OMA_OPINES

    Are the comments that i have seen this am on Facebook stating that Samantha Power “recommended the invason of Israel” tru or related to typical Fox News/Religious Right spin?

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      “Power’s most egregious statement came in 2002 when she calledf or an American military invasion of Israel likening the situation there to that of Rwanda. By the time Power was advising Obama in 2008, she called her own remarks “weird.” Well, I would add stupid, incoherent and dishonest.”

      http://spectator.org/blog

      • Coastghost

        Hmmm, sounds distinctly like an exercise of questionable judgment on Samantha’s part: but of course, her expression of these views antedates her having children, which automatically inoculated her from reaching such conclusions. Now that maternal hormones surge through her veins and arteries, she’ll be much more circumspect, surely. 

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Hormones are a terrible thing — to waste.

    • Davesix6

      Actually Power’s remarks concening invading Isreal are being discussed by several media organizations even NY Times.

  • pjhanson

    Susan Rice is not respected by Madeleine Albright or Hillary Clinton – both have made public comments to the effect that they did not trust her judgment, and there was one comment about how she was recalled to Washington so that the Secretary of State could “keep an eye on her.”  Since both Ms. Albright and Ms. Clinton are wonderful supporters of women, shouldn’t it give us pause that Barack Obama chooses to go against the judgments of both of them and appoint Ms. Rice, unqualified as she is, to a position in which she can do some real damage?  Once again, our President seems to have shown a stunning lack of judgment himself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beth.jacobs.54 Beth Jacobs
  • http://www.facebook.com/anita.paul.5680 Anita Paul

    One serious person and the Kori.

  • pjhanson

    Tom,

    About TURKEY…We visited the country for three weeks very recently.  It is a beautiful land with wonderful people.  For part of our time there, we were on a tour with a native Turk as our guide.  Here are his comments to our tour group as of yesterday:

    “Things are getting interesting in here! Just to let you know, I am very well and very hopeful about what’s happening in my country except the extreme police violence. I’ve seen people winning Taksim square and now I’m seeing people getting poisoned with gas and beaten by police. Taksim Gezi Park recently became an utopic peaceful paradise and now an incredible public connection and support is being formed. People established medical facilities, libraries, gardens and community spaces in the park and there is no aggresive behaviour at all. But what’s happening in other cities such as Ankara and Izmir are getting worse and I am quite worried. Last night the police attacked protestors without any warning and used extreme force by using pepper gas and some say they even use banned chemicals in some areas. But I really believe all this rage will end soon and bright days are waiting for us. If you are interesed in seeing a summary of what happened so far, check wikipedia “2013 protests in Turkey”. It is quite informative.” 

  • http://www.facebook.com/beth.jacobs.54 Beth Jacobs

    Ms. Rice’s critics say that is the crux of the problem with the American response to the crisis in Congo: it ignores, for the most part, the role played by Mr. Kagame in backing the M23, and, as it happens, risks repeating the mistakes of the genocide by not erring on the side of aggressive action. “I fear that our collective regret about not stopping the Rwandan genocide, felt by all of us who worked for the Clinton administration, led to policies that overlooked more waves of atrocities in the Congo, which we should equally regret,” said Tom Malinowski, the Washington director of Human Rights Watch, who has worked closely with Ms. Rice both in the Clinton administration and after.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/10/world/un-envoy-rice-faulted-for-rwanda-tie-in-congo-conflict.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

  • Coastghost

    Exactly what does having children have to do with fitness for the positions of NSA or US UN Ambassador? Do tell.

    • StilllHere

      Have to be able to coddle the American public.  Candy, dulcet tones and bright colors…

  • JHaub

    Heather’s tone toward Kori is so condescending.  For a lot of us, the Benghazi “situation” isn’t just politics.  We actually do feel that the American people were deceived and think there is plenty of evidence to back it up.  

    • StilllHere

      Exactly, this speechwriter is just a political hack.

    • dust truck

      Of course Americans were deceived considering the emails that started this whole thing came from the GOP.  They set up the situation from the beginning!

      • StilllHere

        I thought it was an internet video, you guys should get your fake stories straight.  Please see talking point memo, page 2.

      • JHaub

        What happened was four Americans were killed, Rice and the Obama administration put out in the media the idea that this happened due to some sort of mob-like response to an internet video, and it has since been shown that they knew better well before they conveyed these ideas to the public.  It was not misinformation, it was deception.  And it dishonors the people who died.

        • dust truck

          GOP leaders are concerned that the sometimes unpredictable chairman
          could jeopardize the biggest gift handed to them in months — public
          outrage over the IRS scandal, combined with questions over Benghazi.
          They think Issa should stop personalizing the scandals by insulting
          Obama and his aides and focus on the facts.

          Oh wait, except all the facts are false! Keep lying guys, I’m sure the American public won’t figure it out.

          • JHaub

            I just want to say that I have no loyalty to either the Republican or the Democratic Party.  There is too much “Party First” mentality.  There will always be people on both sides of the aisle willing to use a situation for a political advantage.  In this case, just because there are Republicans who would use what happened in Benghazi to advance their political agenda, that doesn’t mean the Obama administration (and Rice herself) isn’t guilty of deceiving the American people.  I think demonizing any particular party and automatically following the party line can prevent you from observing a situation objectively and is generally totally unproductive.

          • dust truck

            I totally agree, and I’m proudly independent myself. Just because I mock the GOP and right-wingers here, doesn’t mean I love the Democrats either.

            I hate Obama’s drones, I hate Obama secret spying on Americans.  But in THIS case THERE WAS NO DECEPTION.

            It was a shoddy mess possibly due to bad management and miscommunication, but there was no deception. Issa is barking up the wrong tree.

  • hennorama

    President Obama’s message to Republicans regarding newly-appointed NSA Rice:

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      That’s the sign of a whiner.
      (oops spelled it wrong.)

      /humor

      • hennorama

        RWB – TY for your response.

        I always thought it was shorthand for Pres. Bush II.

        It’s also the secret sign for Wienerschnitzel employees, so they can get into the “Employee Only” areas.

        Oops – it’s not so secret anymore.

  • pete18

    A good message for Congress to give Obama:

    “It may be that the Obama administration, which has surpassed the Bush
    administration in assertion of executive privilege and traversed the
    First Amendment, will not strike a deal. So what? Let the Congress issue
    a subpoena and let the Obama administration explain why they still
    refuse to come clean on the Benghazi mess. If nothing else it should be a
    warning to future presidents that you cannot evade Congress’s right to
    oversight simply by sticking malefactors in White House posts.

    Then when Congress is done with that, it should demand that Leon
    Panetta’s alleged leaking of classified material be sent to a special
    prosecutor (since the Justice Department is likely conflicted out,
    having not taken any action so far) for further investigation and
    potential prosecution.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/06/06/no-legal-exceptions-for-rice-and-panetta/

    • Ray in VT

      “It may be that the Obama administration, which has surpassed the Bush administration in assertion of executive privilege”

      Now there’s a statement to seems devoid of facts.  What I’ve been able to find is that Bush invoked executive privilege 6 times and Obama has 1 time.

      • pete18

         I think you’re right, at least in regards to number of times it has been asserted, but she may be referring to the instances as to how and when it was evoked, rather than the number. Even so, going by the sentence I posted it would be easy to read it it as the amount. However, I think her overall point still stands.

  • Coastghost

    Poor Eric Holder’s job is just never done: now he’s going to have to lean on the journalism fraternity all over again to learn who leaked this (formerly) “top secret” FISA court order. (Am I partisan, or does it begin to sound as if the leak came from some progressive do-gooder who’s disgruntled with both Holder and Obama?)

    NPR has enjoyed close relations with THE GUARDIAN of late, so we expect to be kept well-informed!

  • Coastghost

    MOORESVILLE, NC–President Obama today assured America’s schoolchildren that they, too, deserve to have their telephone and internet activity monitored by the NSA.
    National security advisor appointee Susan Rice will confer soon with Attorney General Eric Holder to generate protocols for monitoring teen telephony and “educational” internet use . . . .

    • HonestDebate1

      She was destined for this job because it does not require Legislative approval and she needs to be rewarded. As a bonus she can claim executive privilege if she needs it. Sandy Berger was able to smuggle documents out of the archives in his pants, she’ll be gold. 

  • Lynne51

    Sad that just because she “did what she was told” she gets a promotion.  Sad that an American citizen, the only one in jail, is in jail after a false accusation of making a film that incited “riots”.  Am severely disappointed in the direction this president has gone.

    • brettearle

      Colin Powell would have been eligible for a promotion, had he stayed with Bush II, after Bush II’s re-election.

      But he had already held high Executive appointments–and despite the fact that Bush wanted him to stay, he left on his own volition.

                            *********

      Mr. Nakoula, after a Bank fraud conviction, violated four stipulations of his probation.

      It is unlikely that any other defendant, with similar charges, wouldn’t have faced the same punishment.

      • 1Brett1

        Excellent fact-checking–and thereby dismantling the false foundation upon which Lynne51′s comment/belief is based–and all around points, brettearle. 

        Sounds as though Lynne51 would rather take comfort in believing Nakoula Basseley Nakoula went to jail for “making a film that incited a riot,” or that members of Obama’s Administration should be in jail instead of Nakoula. I don’t know if one can expect a person who maintains such beliefs to change his/her mind based on facts, however; cognitive dissonance can be a powerful tool to help one continue his/her ideological position. I appreciate your efforts, just the same.

        You know what’s most interesting about Lynne51′s comment? I noticed that Worriedforthecountry and HonestDebate1 “liked” her comment. Both regular forum commentators have condemned all mentions of “the video” as having any role in inciting violence against the US by Muslim extremists. I find this particularly ironic, as both commentators seem now willing to believe that the writer and producer of the ‘Innocence of Muslims’ went to jail for making the very same movie. 

        • brettearle

          If he’s Worried For the Country, then I’m worried for the country that he’s Worried….

          Should be a `Dis’ in front of HonestDebate…

          From 1 Brett to another…..

      • John Cedar

        You make a plausible assertion in your last double negative sentence.
        Can you help by suggesting some Google search terms, so that I might find information to support your assertion?
        All I have in my head is vague recollections of Hilton and Lohan and their treatment by the courts, whcih would not support your assertion.

        At any rate, one accusation lacked causation, as well as made reference to his movie being part of the problem. Something to the effect of: “his alias allowed him to trick people into participating in a movie which put them in danger., therefore he is a danger”.

  • Michael Bristol

    For the corporate plantation owners Obama is head pr boy.
    And S. Rice is another barking dog at the main gate.

    • allen 2saint

      And this race baiting language is supposed to demonstrate how enlightened you are? Please. Who was Bush then? The court jester? His whole family and cabinet was littered with money.

  • allen 2saint

    Kori Schake’s voice grates on me. I can’t listen to an adult who sounds like a breathy 12 year old.

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