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The Once And Future ‘Iliad’

Homer’s “Iliad” made new. A one-man performance brings the ancient tale home for modern men and women.

Denis O'Hare in "An Iliad"

Denis O’Hare in “An Iliad” (Joan Marcus)

“Sing, O muse, of the rage of Achilles,” begins the Iliad, Homer’s great epic of ancient war at the gates of Troy. And we are instantly swept away to a time of chariots and swords, spears and shields, gods and men and battle.

But there is nothing purely ancient about war, says my guest today, Denis O’Hare, actor and co-creator of a new Iliad for the stage. A one-man show that goes to the walls of Troy, then brings Homer forward, through centuries of war after war. Brings the Iliad right into our laps.

Up next On Point: an Iliad for our time, and the human rage for war.

– Tom Ashbrook


Denis O’Hare, star and co-creator — with director Lisa Peterson — of the one-man play “An Iliad,” which just ended a run at ArtsEmerson’s Paramount Theater in Boston. (@denisohare)

Live Performance

O’Hare performed four excerpts from “An Iliad” live during our show. Listen:


From Tom’s Reading List

The Boston Globe: A One-Man ‘Iliad’ Comes To ArtsEmerson — “When actor Denis O’Hare and director Lisa Peterson began developing their theatrical adaptation of Homer’s ‘The Iliad’ in 2005, the United States was embroiled in two simultaneous wars halfway around the world. Yet the duo never intended their update of Homer’s ancient epic poem, about the brutality of the Trojan War, to be an antiwar jeremiad. Indeed, the collaborators came to the project, ‘An Iliad,’ with differing passions and perspectives about the seemingly insatiable human thirst for violence and destruction.”

The Daily Beast: Denis O’Hare Talks About One-Man Show “An Iliad” — “Our original impulse was to write our version and then walk into a bar and see if we could get anyone to listen to us. Or stand under a bridge or in a coffee shop. Our narrator, the Poet, enters a room and starts talking. It can be any room. Think back to bardic tradition and storytelling tradition, and that’s all it ever it was. One-on-one entertainment.”

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  • wauch

    This guy is an amazing actor and I hope he brings this show to Cleveland’s Playhouse Square (http://www.playhousesquare.org/). 

  • Vandermeer

    We were wowed by the performance when it was in downtown NYC. So glad it is here… I would say “go see it”!

  • Maureen McCormick

    I saw the show in Boston Friday night. Denis O’Hare was amazing. I had never read The Iliad but dived in on Saturday, using the wonderful Fagles translation on which the show is based. If you have the chance to see this show, don’t hesitate for a moment, and sit as close as possible to the stage!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1319515942 Matthew Murphy

    I do not throw around the term “tour de force” hapharzardly, but this brilliant piece of theatre by Denis O’Hare is one of the most astonishing, bravura performances I’ve ever seen on the stage.  (He was also kind and generous enough to chat for a bit with my friend and me after one of his performances at ArtsEmerson.)

    Question for Mr. O’Hare: can he explain his concept that, “Everything in the text is ‘performative’ “? 

    Thank you, Tom and On Point, for probing the mind of one of the greatest actors working today. 

    • Johannes

      well said.

  • YMarkY

    Question for Mr. O’Hare: Could you please explain which war did you mean when you said “Palestinian Civil War” in your long list of world wars? Chronologically it fell on 1948 when Israel fought 5 Arab countries defending its existence. Did you mean this as a Civil War? And what about the wars of 1967 and 1973 in Israel? Are they less significant than, for instance, the war in Serbia which you promptly mention? Thank you.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1319515942 Matthew Murphy

      It’s not my impression that the list of wars recited in “An Iliad” is intended to be comprehensive or complete; rather, it seems intended to give some an expamsive sense (limited though it may be) of the long, pervasive presence of war(s) throughout history.  To pick this nit is to miss the larger artistic point.

      • YMarkY

         I disagree. To pick “this nit” is to pick a larger point
        and the point is not artistic, but ethical: “We don’t trouble ourselves
        with the causes of the particular wars, we dump them all in the same
        pile (therefore the long list of wars), we are ‘above the fray’. We
        score points for our disgust for the war from other like-minded people.
        We wear our worn out coat and bullet-ripped tunic as a theme costume
        only because in our disgust for the war in general we would never go
        into the battle. We are not concerned that our earnings in artistic
        capital come at the expense of the
        rivers of blood spilled by the people who could not afford to stand
        ‘above the fray’ and had the very particular reasons for sacrificing
        lives.” No, the artists (in the production) are not concerned, because
        if they were, then instead of an artistic feat of memorizing the endless
        list of world wars from ancient times to our days, their finger ought
        to be pointing to the scummy political leaders who brought about those
        wars. But then the artistic feat would fall apart because they would
        need to nit-pick through the list and their artistic position (general
        disgust for wars) would fall through. And while we (they) are at it, why
        not to slip a hint of our (their) political position inserting a foggy
        name of “Palestinian Civil War”. For the today’s audience of the play
        who may not come sufficiently (historically) prepared it sounds only as a
        war among the citizens of the state of Palestine, the same as the
        American Civil War preceding it just a few time steps in the monologue.
        In overall disgust for the war, who cares about historical accuracy? Who
        cares that there has never been a state of Palestine and therefore
        nothing beyond a “civil uprising” could have happened in this
        geographical region? A “civil war” is understood as a war between the groups of  citizens of the same nation-state. But we (they) are above nit-picking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595452520 Cynthia Rose Osorio Florez

    If we are to honestly look at the ‘why’s’ of war we must, must, must finally discuss the gender role. Exceptions, well-yes, as there is to everything. But only half of us are engaging in this activity.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595452520 Cynthia Rose Osorio Florez

      Caller ‘Jackie’ hit the nail on the head about spirituality being what is needed to end the war cycle. The real seat of real ‘spirituality’ and connection with the universal comes – must come – can only come – from the feminine. From the womb [figuratively and literally]. Again, we are back to the discussion of the gender role.

    • donniethebrasco

       Girls should be required to register for selective service.

  • donniethebrasco

    Obama is a spineless preacher.

    He knows if he closes Gitmo, innocent people will die.

    He won’t say why he isn’t closing it.   He just says it should be closed, but doesn’t do anything.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      Wrong thread genius.

      • donniethebrasco

         I’m glad you think my point is genius.

      • Johannes


  • donniethebrasco

    Is killing people with drones going to war?  According to the Nobel committee it is.

    Obama sends drones to kill people and the media doesn’t ask any questions.


  • http://www.facebook.com/drumme1 Dennis Rumme

    If you go to brainpickings.org there is a listing relevant to war in Einstein’s letter to Freud.

    Why War: Einstein and Freud’s Little-Known Correspondence on Violence, Peace, and Human Nature
    by Maria Popova“Every man has a right over his own life and war destroys lives that were full of promise.” 

  • donniethebrasco

    Women have received equal rights in the military, but still do not have to register for the Selective Service.

    Because they are girls, they should be treated differently.

    • Johannes

      Men dont get pregnant; they should be treated differently. Yes that’s right true true and unrelated. Change the rules. I think every single American should have to do 2 years of Military Service after basic training. What a different country that would be.

      • donniethebrasco

         So, you agree with me.  Girls should have to register with the Selective Service.

  • donniethebrasco

    If someone wants to beat you up, curl into the fetal position and hope they go away.

    • Human898

      “Tsarnaev told authorities that he and his brother Tamerlan were Muslims who set the bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon on April 15, because they were angry with the United States for harming Muslims in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

      Apparently the brothers Tsarnaev preferred the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth route.

      • Johannes

        Admitted Jihadists. 
        They were not intellectual enough, right? Or was it greed? I read that same article in the Jerusalem Post–Im not sure if youre defending them of condemning them?? Can you elaborate a little? http://www.jpost.com/

        • Human898

          I’m not sure what people taking violent forms of revenge on others would necessarily be called if they weren’t tied to Islam. The Middle East seems full of people taking revenge on one another, not all of them Muslims against other Muslims or Muslims against non-Muslims, but some others against Muslims.  What the quote was meant to point out was why the brothers were motivated to attack the U.S.  Something which seems to be ignored by many as they call for retribution and revenge on where the brothers came from or people of their religion.

          • Johannes

            An explanation of behavior is not justification. ANYONE killing in the name of their god is a wackjob. But the article is about Homer and war in general. Philosophy can not explain biology. Biology determines philosphy. It is and has been survival of the fittest since the beginning.
               Homo sapiens are primates; we have not evolved beyond that capability yet.  If you want to argue that there are more evolved ‘intellectuals’  among the tribes that’s a different discussion; relevant but different.

          • Barry Kort

            I’m not sure what people taking violent forms of revenge on others would necessarily be called if they weren’t tied to Islam. ~Human898

            They would be called American military heroes.

  • green_libertarian

    War Is A Racket
    -General  Smedley Butler, USMC

    WAR is a racket. It always has been.

    It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

    A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

    In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax
    returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

    How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?
    [...]  http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

    • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

      Are our power brokers any better than the kings and warlords of old? Those who reach for power leverage the lives of others to gather blood money and influence for themselves by wrapping themselves in the flag and weave words of freedom, fear and hate to unite the masses to support the slaughter… And that is mostly what it is: horrific slaughter of soldiers, men, women and children be it by bullet, bomb, bayonet, beating, poison, fire or famine. Men rise to heroism and fall from grace, nonetheless it’s a horrific slaughter that those who leap to call for, have no clue or care making the first to beat the wardrums most often the least qualified to have any say.

  • maryvermont

    The arts are such an important conduit for important ideas.  Is there a way this production will be widely available?  PBS, a dvd, publication of the theater piece.  

    Also, I had the idea that Congress and the President should see this!

  • DrewInGeorgia

    In considering ourselves superior lies that which makes us inferior.

    • Johannes

      Yea Drew. Please copy and paste that response to Human898

      • Human898

        Are you trying to suggest something about yourself Johannes?

  • donniethebrasco

    Wouldn’t Jesus say to forgive the Boston Marathon bombers?

    This should become a religious program.

    • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

      It’s up to the victims to do the forgiving.  It is said to be part of the healing process.

      What the rest of us can do is to engage not in Retributive Justice, but Restorative Justice.

      Punishing Jahar will not bring solace or healing to the surviving victims. But helping to speed their healing will. Restorative Justice is what Jesus would urge upon those of us in the community.  I resonate with that sentiment. To my mind, it is our best practice.According to unconfirmed reports, Jahar disclosed that his older brother wanted to avenge the death of Muslims in Afghanistan who were killed by US drone strikes.  It’s certainly a plausible motive.

      Reciprocal acts of revenge are a never-ending cancer.  Jesus sought to arrest that cancer. That’s why he recommended healing one’s enemy rather than inflicting more harm. If both sides are of a mind to seek retribution, the violence will go on indefinitely. The wiser party has to end the cycle of violence. Jesus would have been the wiser sage. And, to my mind, his logic is impeccable.

  • homebuilding

    I couldn’t get through on the phone, but I’d just add that I heard no comment regarding people who have ‘made it their life,’ to be pacifists:  Mennonite, Quakers, Jehovah’s Witnesses…

    They will geographically move if forced, en masse to war for any nation–as mine did in the 1870s when Russia required military service of our young men.

    War is without exception the game of the 50 and 60 year olds sending the 20 year olds of their country to kill strangers and destroy or retrieve property from another.

    In any war, in this time, the power of guerilla forces has grown dramatically.  NO LONGER are they without communication and a substantial armamentarium.  David Petraus’ entire PHd level study was relating to this matter and the fact that you could ‘never kill them all.’  Many would be left to make life difficult for the ‘conquerer.’  Thus, we had Buddhist priest setting themselves afire during our VietNam war–suicide bombers in the MidEast–yea verily:  September, 2001 and the recent Boston marathon bombings. 

    Seeking justice without the purposeful carnage is always the most desirable alternative–but most give up on it because results aren’t immediate.  The results of war are never immediate, either, and when one side ‘wins,’ there are great costs–just look at the USA war budget—

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1319515942 Matthew Murphy

      Dear homebuilding: my compliments to you on the very good points made above.  I’d like to recommend to you the poet William Stafford, who was a lifelong pacifist and was a conscientrious objector during WW II.  (No easy thing to be a CO in that era.  His experiences as a CO shaped the trajectory of his life and also his fiercely non-violent approach to writing.)  If you haven’t already, check out the anthology of Stafford’s writing called “Every War Has Two Losers.”

    • Johannes

      I guess you haven’t seen ‘The Amish Mafia’

      • homebuilding

        Seems your BS detector needs new batteries.

        TAM is pure fiction and pure nonsense.

        If you wish to know the real story on the Amish, do search at wiki for “Nickel Mines Murder of school children” ……and see how they handle violence directed at them

        • Johannes

          I take care of the local Amish in the ER on a regular basis. They are humans just like the rest of us. And they beat each other up on a regular basis as well. Not all the time, but regularly. I’m not sure about the show characters veracity but I am sire of who shows up in the ER.

  • Human898

    Do we really have a thirst for violence and destruction or is it there is a difference between people who can obtain what they desire through intellect, juistice and fairness while others may feel the only way they can obtain what their greed desires is to take it, physically or by figuring out schemes to rip people and society off?

    • Johannes

       So black & white, wow.  I’m positive there are a myriad of personalities between the two extremes you site. Greed is not the only reason people fight; spoils to the victors and all that aside. Wouldnt the “people who can obtain what they desire through intellect justice & fairness” be taking advantage of the non intellectuals and manipulating them to think it was all ‘fair & just’?  Maybe the dumb losers just don’t understand things well. Maybe they’re pissed off at you because you are so condescending and your idea of justice is against their religion.   Wheres the greed?
        There are an infinite # of answers to why we wage war; the most concrete is this: we are homo sapiens.

      • Human898

        It was a series of questions Johannes.  How you derived what you suggested you derived from my comment, I am not sure, although you appear to be very “positve” about it.   I would agree with you that there sure seems to be two ends of poles and everything in between.  Based on your own question about what intellectual people might achieve, I would say, yes, there seems to be people who use their intellect (as opposed to physical force) to take advantage of those with lesser intellect.  There would also seem those that use their physical size and muscle to take advantage of those with less.  While both are a part of the discussion, my question was about what is left in the wake of either means and all levels of them and what motivates people in either.   I don’t know about you, but it sure seems to me that most people use their intellect daily to live in non-violent peace along side other human beings and as you have suggested, there is a total range of levels of peace, cooperation and people doing harm to one another intellectually OR violently.   I also would not try to deny that there are also ranges of “superiority” in terms of societies that enjoy more stability and peace overall and those they seem to always be involved in volatile states of existence.  Would you deny there have been figures or people in history that have not used physical force and violence to greedily take what they wanted and those who have greedily gotten what they wanted without physical violence?   Would you deny that there are also people who use their intellect to fairly obtain an overall sense of peace in their community that works to the advantage of all in their society?   Can you point out a lot of examples of where violence benefitted most people involved in it or in locales where massive or chronic violence occurs?   Do you or would you choose such locales to live in over peaceful locales?  

        What are most fights and wars about?

        I wouldn’t sell yourself short Johannes with regard to your own intellect and sensitivity about it.

        • Johannes

            You asked rhetorically if there was a difference between those who get what they want  using their ” thirst for violence and destruction OR…( you used OR)  intellect, justice and fairness”  I wrote ‘there are a myriad of personalities between those extremes’.  I dont think intellectual, fair and just people are incapable of violence. I know they are capable. Thats when you hit the rapist in the head with a bat.
                   I agree there are tribes of humans who are more evolved than other tribes. Who could deny? One should read Richard Dawkins & Steven Pinker if one needs convincing.        I was insinuating that your ‘thirsty for violence’  perhaps are that way because they are less evolved BIOLOGICALLY  so get angry when challenged ideologically or territorially and so perhaps feel manipulated if they dont get their way. Thats when the sucker punch occurs.     The rest of your comment is unrelated to my reply. To the point: I am stating that BIOLOGY determines invertebrate behavior secondary to the environment– aggression, violence, war making. Wether the biology is a mutated gene, fetal ETOH, bad parenting, or being born in a war zone it’s still mediated by a specific and limited recipe of neuro transmitters;  we really are all functioning with the same brain juices.I am not defending violence I am reminding you of irrefutable biology/physiology. Consequently if you piss off one of these ‘thirsty ones’ they get violent. No greed there. And finally I read the article from NIH on the MAO defective gene. To try to explain away all antisocial, criminal, & politically incorrect behavior as mental illness is absurd.  Statistically anything over 20% incidence in the GP would be a variation of normal. Of course that depends on the population and what N=#  (BTW what is the incidence of Brunners MAO defective gene in the GP?) I would argue that half the population are morons but that would be mean and the entire population of the psycho-social industry would be apoplectic.PS Have you interacted with many patients taking MAO inhibitors?? Thats a rhetorical question.

      • dudlet097

        Amen Johannes, ‘culture’ and ‘society’ are a very  thin layer of skin on homo sapiens.

    • Barry Kort

      Yes there is a crucial difference.  It’s called the Ninth Intelligence and it’s quite rare.  Perhaps fewer than 1% of the population ever develop the faculty of the Ninth Intelligence.

      Here is an example of a system model crafted by those with extraordinary insight drawn from the Ninth Intelligence:

      Contagion: A Model of Competition, Conflict, and Violence in the Culture

      If you understand the above model, you can derive best practices for resolution of a problematic conflict without resorting to war.

  • nprPoster2013

    Not mentioned in the broadcast was Richard Dawkins concepts of gene and meme and the selfish gene. For humans, this is how it works:
    1. in almost all animal species males compete physically for access to females
    2. in chimps, our tribal cousins, war occurs sporadically for, to the casual observer, no particular reason
    3. to the geneticist it is clear that beating up on the neighbors provides improved access to food and females (Helen of Troy, anyone?), both of which improve the chances of the males’ genes, selfish or otherwise, being propagated to the next generation. Moreover,
    defending our tribe from such an attack improves the chances that the male’s genes, as represented in our offspring, will survive to be propagated to the next generation.
    4. Consequently, male behavior well suited to gene propagation is tribal violence. Not so much female behavior, since female genes are propagated as long as the offspring survive.
    5. I summary, animal, chimp, and human violence is a tool of genes to maximize survival, not of the organism, tribe, or culture, but of the gene.
    6. In short, we our tools of our genes.
    6. Genes are entirely lacking in morality, sensibility, empathy, culture, poetry, music, and feeling.
    7. It is to the credit of the human cerebral cortex that we have been able to subvert our genes to the extent that we have in terms of the developing abhorrence of war, volunteering, altruism and NPR. Long may it continue: perhaps there will someday be a generation that skips the compulsion to war.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Hendrickson/1652586055 Joshua Hendrickson

    Fantastic. Discovering Homer in my World Lit class was like discovering a whole new part of my brain I’d never known existed. The Iliad and especially the Odyssey thrilled me and inspired me–I knew I had found one of those giants upon whose shoulders I hope to stand with my own work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595452520 Cynthia Rose Osorio Florez
  • http://www.facebook.com/meris.barreto Meris Barreto

    I’d like to share a poem called “Holy Wars”. It was created as sculptural publication in 2007 and shown at the Fuller Craft Museum. The text is comprised only of four letter words.

    I think it will resonate with all the emotion we felt when Denis O’Hare ended the hour with a list of wars from the beginning of time.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    I love the iliad. It’s nice that you can get several free versions for kindle.

    They never found Priam’s WMD.

  • Potter

    We were fortunate to see Denis O’Hare’s astonishing performance in Boston through ArtsEmerson. I was happy too that the Fagles translation was used. It was a very inspiring and powerful evening… O’Hare is amazing. Homer never dies. Thanks for the show.

  • Johannes

    What a great show: really outstanding. Mr. O’Hare is brilliant. Tom was asking great questions today. Ive been listening for a long time. “Why do we go to war?” was the question. There were two lady callers ( Jackie &?name Kentucky) that hit the nail. This is a hybrid philosophical/physiological question. 

    Anger in the unmedicated homo sapien is not a pathological response. It is a biological protective survival response. KY was right: we are mere animals with genes( for the warriors) and environmental influences that make half of us turn and run when the rocks start flying. The other half stays and fights. And thank God they do/can.
       The ? of ‘why start a war’ or why start the fight is almost unanswerable; at least a different answer in every circumstance.

  • Johannes

    Also the now identified ‘warrior gene’. You can not ignore biology. We can try to rise above it but we can not pretend it doesnt exist.

  • mhleta

    Your next guest really MUST be Dr. Jonathan Shay, author of _Achilles in Vietnam:Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character_ and _Odysseus in America_. Dr. Shay is a PTSD specialist. I went to hear him speak immediately before we deployed the first troops to Afghanistan, when we were being fed the myth that this would be a war of surgical strikes and minimal troop involvement. He predicted otherwise, that the injuries and psychological trauma to our troops would far exceed what we had come to expect from past wars. I highly recommend both of these books, particularly in the context of this reading of the Illiad. He would be a fascinating guest. Even if you’ve had him on in the past, he’s always worth hearing from. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Rothauser/692189125 David Rothauser

    “Why do we go to war?”   To answer that question intelligently, I think you need to break it down. Who do you mean by “we?” I think we can agree that in all wars ancient and modern, the majority of people do not engage in war making. A very  small minority make up the people who actually regulate war making and a slightly larger minority become combatants. Unfortunately most of the casualties of war are non-combatants. Yes, we are born with aggressive survival traits that serve both positive and destructive ends. Yet the question “Why do we go to war?” is, I believe based on the fact that the U.S. has become the most war making nation in the world since 1945. This gives the impression that war making as we know it in modern times is a learned activity that can be unlearned. Since and including the American Civil War, war making has been the cash cow of a very small cabal of industrialists and bankers who pledge no allegiance to nation, religion and morality. Theirs is the victory of profit. War making is an expensive investment. The poor and the middle class, even if they wanted to, could never afford to make war. But more importantly, there is a proven antidote to war making and it has been learned. Following WWII, U.S. occupation forces re-wrote the Japanese Constitution. Article 9 of that constitution declares that Japan will never again make war. Japan has been at peace for 67 years. No nation attacked, no soldier or civilian lost in all those years. Article 9 is a powerful and inspiring example of a war making nation that has become an economic giant on the world stage without resorting to war making. Now there is a movement in America sponsored by the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom to bring Article 9 as an amendment to our own constitution. No need to re-invent the wheel. After Article 9 was ratified General Douglas MacArthur rejected war making as obsolete. “There are no winners in today’s war making, only the seeds of mass suicide. Abolishing war,” declared MacArthur, “is the one issue upon which all sides can agree and which all sides can profit equally. It is the one issue which if settled, might settle all others.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/kathleen.k.bartlett Kathleen Kennedy Bartlett

    Amazing!  Truly amazing.  Love Kate

  • debhulbh

    Nothing human is alien to me…
    The war that rages inside of each and every one of us, is not just on some faraway battlefield, it rages INSIDE of us and in each and every moment with – relationship battles..life.
    the field of spousal war, brother/sister, mother/daughter battles that rage thru generations, father/son..
    What is it you ask Tom, look inside of you, inside of each of us….we all possess it, in varying degrees, some do a better job at juggling it, controlling it, others not so good, 
    We all battle every day with one another.
    Yes we should smile and hug and care for, love each other, but such is the human condition, such are the slights, insults, injuries, perceived or otherwise that we all wrestle with…and which leads to all out family wars, war of words, war war war ….all of it war…
    we don not need to go to a battle field to know the horror of ripping another apart, whether with words, or weapons…all of it is weaponry…used for what….
    We can do better…
    such is life and such is what we all strive for…

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Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014

Why is Burger King buying a Canadian coffee and doughnut chain? (We’ll give you a hint: tax rates).

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