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More arrests in the marathon bombing case. The red line and Syria. The morning-after pill.

This photo released May 1, 2013 by the U.S. Attorney's office in a federal criminal complaint, shows fireworks, which the complaint said federal agents recovered from inside a backpack belonging to Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaeva, found in a landfill in New Bedford, Mass. (AP/U.S. Attorney's Office)

This photo released May 1, 2013 by the U.S. Attorney’s office in a federal criminal complaint, shows fireworks, which the complaint said federal agents recovered from inside a backpack belonging to Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaeva, found in a landfill in New Bedford, Mass. (AP/U.S. Attorney’s Office)

Home prices up and hiring up in the numbers this week.  Unemployment at a four-year low.  Even with payroll taxes and sequester, maybe we’re getting somewhere.  Maybe.

Overseas, it’s been the week of Syria and “red line” debate.  Bangladesh, and the downside of cheap t-shirts.  Mexico, and less cooperation in the drug fight.

We’ve got more arrests in the Boston bombings.  A morning-after pill for 15 and up.  Guantanamo protest.  Gun vote recoil.  And gay and out Jason Collins in the NBA.

This hour, On Point:  Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

- Tom Ashbrook


Dina Temple-Raston, counterterrorism correspondent for NPR. (@nprdina)

Juliet Eilperin, White House correspondent for the Washington Post. (@eilperin)

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

The Boston Globe: Three Accused of Obstructing Bombing Investigation — “More than two weeks after the Boston ­Marathon bombings, authorities charged two ­Kazakh nationals and a Cambridge man with trying to destroy or cover up evidence linking their college friend to the deadly explosions. Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev, 19-year-olds who have been jailed since April 20 on immigration charges, were accused in US District Court Wednesday with obstructing justice by dumping into the garbage a laptop computer and a backpack belonging to bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who attended the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth with them.”

The Guardian: Syria chemical weapons evidence ‘too degraded’ for proof — “Western intelligence agencies fear they can no longer prove for certain whether the Syrian government was responsible for alleged chemical weapon attacks, because initial samples and evidence trails have degraded over time. Instead, Britain and the US are likely to have to wait for fresh evidence from further attacks before deciding whether to take a military response against the Assad government.”

CNN: Justice Department appeals morning-after pill ruling — “The U.S. Justice Department has filed a notice of appeal over a federal judge’s ruling that directed the Food and Drug Administration to make the morning-after birth control pill available to females of all ages without a prescription. The government on Wednesday also filed a motion for a temporary stay of the FDA’s approval on Tuesday of the availability of the Plan B One-Step emergency contraception pill without a prescription for ages 15 and older.”

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  • Ed75

    This week with Kermit Gosnell we learned that not only is abortion routinely practiced in the U.S. (4,000 per day surgical), but that infanticide is routine. It took place in Gosnell’s ‘house of horrors’, but also is routine in abortion clinics (see Lila Rose liveaction.org investigation).

    Gosnell was not charged with three of the murders because the judge couldn’t decide if ‘a child making a noise or twitching was alive or just giving a neurological reaction’. What have we come to?

    • Yar

      Ed, you are so full of contempt for others, I am beginning to believe it would have been better if you had never been born.  Judas thought he would force God’s hand by turning Jesus over to Church officials.  Think how much good you could do if you spent you energy on something positive, like feeding hungry children.  Is there a backpack program in your area?  You need an outlet that shows God’s love.  I believe you are a good person who is only misdirected.  Stop wasting your life. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        you should be working with your neighbors to improve their backstop

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Where’s the “don’t like” button when we need it?

      Your schtick is full of holes.

      • NrthOfTheBorder

        Agreed!  A dislike button would go a long way to steer these comments to the middle of road.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          some of the articles let you vote up or down

      • hennorama

        TF – as I pointed out last week, one can use the handy [Collapse thread] “minus sign” all the way to the right of the poster’s name to hide posts you prefer not to see or read.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Henno, you’re my pal but:

          This is public radio.

          In any other media outlet overrun by trolls (and there are ones I don’t bother with), the trolls are largely ignored.

          Only public radio deems it necessary to include the “crazies on both sides” into the conversation. And since public radio can’t punch its way leftwards out of a wet paper bag, I’m resistant to trolling from the right because so very many times some decisionmaker on public radio has said “Let’s hear from everybody but not call anyone flat out wrong.”

          This is the same public radio which feels the need to do something to broaden its appeal to right wingers. Without debasing its journalistic output. What we get is an animal which will swallow every right-wing-borne Beltway Inbred meme (witness the “Obama’s juice” crapfest earlier this week) and knowingly or unknowingly legitimize it by sheer journalistic malpractice.

          And the funniest part is, they think either they’re doing a good job being suckered by the right, or that some point down the line the right wing will stop hitting them.

          I’ve consumed enough media and enough real media crit to realize it doesn’t work that way.

          • hennorama

            TF – your points are very well made and well taken.

            There is absolutely no reason to not fight the good fights, but it does betimes become tiresome, and conserving one’s energy and picking one’s spots can have value.

            Not that I necessarily act on those words at all times, as you may have observed, but still … employing the [Collapse thread] “works for me”.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Thanks, but I do think my effort isn’t what it appears to be. If this were 1995, things would be different.

            Remember ye old mailing list, where you’d send something in and a digest of everyone’s email on a subject would arrive in the inbox a couple days later?

            That was then, and this is now. With the wi-fi and high-speed connexions and running a few apps at once between meetings, the effort and energy is reduced to an almost negligble amount for me, because I’m already here. (At least when I’m here. My job or sked may change soon; everyone’s may.)

            And did I mention podcasts? Those barely existed a dozen years ago.

          • hennorama

            TF – my comment reflected my own struggles at times with the sheer volume of nonsense available for one to refute, as well as the fact that certain posters’ comments are fairly predictable, making them “clickable”.

            A “don’t like” button would not change any of that, IMO.

  • Ed75

    Governor Cuomo couldn’t get enough votes to pass his radical pro-abortion bill, he only had 30 of the needed 32 votes.
    We learned also that many who support same sex marriage have as their purpose not only same sex marriage but the end of marriage and the family.
    On a positive note, The Testament of Mary on Broadway, a blashpemous play, closed unexpectedly after 27 performances.

    • J__o__h__n

      Any proof for your conspiracy theory?

      Should Rhode Island start preparing for a natural disaster or a terrorist attack? 

      • Ed75

        Rhode Island is way down the list at this point, but I wouldn’t buy any shore front property, if you know what I mean.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        they have enough trouble with all the mobsters there

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Okay, does someone from Planet Reality want to tell me what’s in this “radical pro abortion” bill?

      (Yes, this is a test.)

      • Ed75

        I don’t see that anyone else answered – Gov. Cuomo’s bill is called FOCA, Gov. Spitzer tried it before he … resigned. The bill would make abortion a right (under Roe it is just decriminalized). As a right, it would get tax payer funding; I could be arrested for praying at a clinic because it would be trying to deny someone a right; there could be no restrictions on late term abortion; there can be no restrictions on abortion like required ultrasound, or parental notification, etc. It’s way beyond Roe.

        40% of pregnancies in NYC end in abortion now, this would increase it.

    • nj_v2


  • Yar

    Two incidents in the past two weeks has lead me to change my view on gun control.  In rural Kentucky we live in a very different America.  I have long advocated for two years of public service for high school graduates.  I advocate for weapon training as part of that service.  My logic is that it would dissipate the fascination our country has with guns. At least our citizens would have proper training on their use and purpose.  I have come to the conclusion this can’t wait, we have to start gun awareness in preschool.  Teach children (starting in preschool) the proper use of and respect for weapons, I wonder if the NRA would support this concept.  

    I hear gunfire every day, other than unsettling buzz of an occasional ricochet I don’t really believe my neighbors have bad intentions.  I wish they would not use their weapons in an such an unsafe manor.  How many stray bullets are considered an accident? Only the one that kills or injures someone?
    Here are links to the two incidents. 


    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB
      • Yar
        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          You would be better able to achieve your goal if you partnered with the NRA.

          • Yar

            It is difficult to partner at the point of a gun.  I only want guns to be taxes like all other real property.  The reason the NRA fights registration, is once property is registered it will be taxed. Just like internet purchases, guns are intended to be taxed now, only no one is measuring the value of guns owned.  Money is at the root of the NRA opposition to gun owner accountability. No partner to be had with such an organization.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Sorry that you feel that way. 

          • Yar

            Sorry I feel which way? That guns should be taxed?  That I feel a partner can’t be had at the point of a gun? That I want accountability?  What are you sorry for?  What is the redeeming qualities of the NRA?  They polarize our nation and peddle fear.  Fear of Government in a democracy with a free press.  How do you partner with that?  

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            “No partner to be had with such an organization.”

            I am sorry you feel that way.  
            It demonstrates an impulse to prefer having enemies over solutions.  

            “Fear is the path to the dark side. 
            Fear leads to anger. 
            Anger leads to hate. 
            Hate leads to suffering.”


          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Funny you want to say that in light of the NRA’s “They’re comin to take our guns!” response to everything.

            Yoda was never afraid of his own shadow.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Remember that Yoda was always armed.  

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            in addition to providing free educational materials for schools and safety training classes and materials for adults the NRA works hard to defend our basic liberties and provides wonderful publications and hats to its members. i opted for the range bag however as i dont like “hat hair”

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            they provide the educational materials that you desired

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            you pay taxes when you buy a gun what are you talking about? who wants more taxes? are you proposing some sort of yearly gun tax scheme?

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            guns are not real estate

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          do you think a youth should use an adult rifle? would you have a youth ride an adult bicycle? do you think the 5 year old was surfing the walmart or crickett website and got sucked into their marketing? the gun is marketed for kids not to kids

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          should they use an adult rifle? would you have them wear adult sized clothes and ride adult sized bicycles?

      • Yar

        Should my neighbors be allowed to have a shooting range on a 5 acre lot in the proximity of my property?
        I have reported ricochet rounds in the past, when someone is struck by a “stray” bullet, I only hope the police will dig up all the rounds in the dirt at the range to show this was not an accident.  It is a unregulated activity which isn’t safe.  We should have the right to live in a safe community, when using guns makes our community less safe then it is time to change our laws.  

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          I don’t know what you should do.  I have good relations with my neighbors and
          the local police department.  Perhaps you
          can make a fresh start with them if you try to befriend them.  Good luck.

          • Yar

            It is the culture, challenging it only increases polarization. Actually we live in a culture of polarization.  That is the bigger issue.  How to address polarization, that is the question.
            Does the NRA have guidelines for backyard shooting ranges? Do they say don’t shoot guns in the back yard?  I don’t mind my neighbors owning all the guns they want, I just don’t want to get shot by their carelessness.  


          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            here in ma we have a rule that you cannot fire a gun within 500 feet of a dwelling without the owners permission. i am sure you have some sort of a similar restriction and most cities have local ordanances about shooting guns in the city limits have you looked into what the laws are there?

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          what sort of a backstop do they have? if its illegal tape them doing it and send it to the police.  if you want some serious gun control i will trade you and i will live in KY and you can come here tom MA

    • Wm_James_from_Missouri

      Yar, what do you think about teaching young people self defense via that martial arts, in lieu of spectator sports ? There are other possible paths that might help to prevent reckless accidents and needless violence, such as, meditation, visualization of consequences , and spirituality. In Saint Louis, Missouri, yesterday, a twenty year old was given life in prison for killing a 72 year old Vietnamese man, during a (gang related) “knockout game” ! Here was a young man that destroyed (more than ) two lives, because of his misguided views of what it means to be a man. You don’t need a gun to be dangerous to yourself and others.

      Shouldn’t a person learn about respect and humility before they are empowered ?

      • Yar

        Respect and humility are empowerment.  I am not for children with guns, I only want to teach them about the proper use because there are so many in our community.  It is like teaching the children in Egypt about the dangers of landmines.  We are the country with the most guns.  We have to do something to make our kids safer.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        shooting sports fall into that catagory for sure. organised youth shooting sports are many times safer than any traditional team sports like soccor or basketball. a book you might like is called “fist, stick , knife, gun” it traces how our current inner city gang violence developed and addresses what you are talking about here

    • Acnestes

      I do not live in a rural area.  In this part of the world the primary gun awareness that preschoolers need is “duck and cover”.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        in urban areas the back of the local paper blurb goes something like this “5 year old shoots herself with pistol under her 19 year old fathers bed”
        gangbangers are not very responsible gun owners and cause more than their share of tragedies that may be prevented with”stop,don’t touch, leave the area, tell an adult”

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      go look up “eddie eagle” i am also a big supporter of early education and continuing education like we do with all other dangerous things kids may face and even some that are made up. maybe a little less time on “stranger danger” (less than 5 children are actually abducted by strangers per year) and a few minutes on “stop,don’t touch, leave the area, tell an adult” would actually help save a childs life

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    Do they not realize how they look? It’s an anti-advertisement for the services they’d like to sell us. They seem utterly unprepared to confront power. I’m thinking: This is something that should be done in private, like masturbation. Then I realize: This is the public show. Imagine what they do in private.


    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      The White House Correspondents’ Dinner is a national embarrassment.  The press is protected by the First Amendment because it is supposed to have an adversarial relationship with those who have power.  Wasn’t it once thought that the press should comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable?  In today’s Washington it is like Animal Farm:

      “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” 
      ― George Orwell,

      • hennorama

        RWB – I realize that you recently said “Humor is lost to me currently” but even you should find some bipartisan humor in these photo pairs (and don’t worry – you won’t get cooties from visiting politico.com ;-):


        I really like 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12,14 and 15, with special emphasis on # 10, which I found to be uncanny and hilarious.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Sen. Chuck Schumer will be played by Grandpa Munster.

          “I don’t care who ya are, that’s funny right there!”

          • hennorama

            RWB – you’re very welcome, and I’m glad you enjoyed it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      i think its a rare look into how the power elite are all together, newt laughing away at oboma just made me think this must be what its like at bohemian grove

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        its like the end of animal farm when the animals look in the window and cant tell the difference between the pigs and the humans

  • Wm_James_from_Missouri

    Isn’t it time we consider shifting the focus away from abortion and “morning after” pills to reversible vasectomies for young men ? Not just in the US but worldwide !
    Isn’t it time we consider looking at ways to end our incessant lust for sexual gratification ? Certainly, with all of our current efforts directed at brain research we could find insights into how to control these animal impulsions. Bliss like states come in many forms. We may be cheating ourselves.

    • northeaster17


    • Yar

      “we could find insights into how to control these animal impulsions. ”
      It would help to admit that we are animals.We are hormonal machines that act on the basis of of our chemistry.  What you think changes that chemistry and the chemistry in your brain changes what you think. Any attempt to separate biology from human is inhumane.

      • NrthOfTheBorder

        Agreed Yar – but I don’t think you can attribute the link and leave it there.  To admit biological and hormonal impulse is to recognize sexuality for what it is. This alone would serve to strip away layers of cultural bias and distortion – let alone put the minds of many at ease.  

        But the role of a well balanced and equitable culture of sexuality must have its proper place lest we return to the sexual mores of cave men.  It’s this latter – all too common – and destructive force that WM refers to.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      I don’t know that that’s too sci-fi.

      Because between now and that future, we have to deal with the present.

      And when I think of the terms “worldwide” and “contraception”, my first thought is “How do we keep the Fundy Protestants and Catholics from dictating more contraception and sexual health policy for women and men in the developing world?”

      • Don_B1

        Are you quoting someone or did you get the direction wrong? I have always gotten the impression that at least a lot of fundamentalists are totally AGAINST contraception and most forms of gynecological health care. They typically look at a woman as a baby machine, replaceable when problems arise. [Otherwise known as keeping them barefoot and pregnant.] It is probably where polygamy comes from.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Oops. Thanks for pointing out my writing error. We are in sync on the ideas, but my use of “more” can be seen as confusing.

          I meant “how do we keep Fundy Protestants and Catholics from further influencing their antiquated, almost anti-science contraception and sexual health policy…in the developing world”?

          It’s like those forces, claiming God’s name, realize they’ve lost the battle in the Western world, and are looking for new recruiting grounds. I am not against religion, per se, but as an agnostic suburban white American, it just looks like from even my vantage point the last thing those folks need.

          These places no more need Ireland’s anti-contraception policy than, well, Ireland does.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            funny how some people want to supress population growth in the developing world. “developing world” is newspeak for places where the majority are people of color. the more things change….

          • Wm_James_from_Missouri

            By definition, “the developing world” is where poverty is greatest, almost always as a result of too many people, for the given resource base. I make no apologies for having eyes that see !

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            its also where exploitation by “the developed world” is the greatest.  its a little more complicated than that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        when i hear those terms i hear an a brave new world coming

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      WM what you’re saying here is profound. 

      • Wm_James_from_Missouri

        I don’t claim to have all of the answers, just plenty of questions. I have never been afraid to ask questions or challenge assumptions. Like every man I “love” sex, however, I also recognize the “curse” that comes with this double edge sword. I had hoped that others would open up and share some thoughts on these tough issues.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          the curse of children?

          • Wm_James_from_Missouri

            No, the curse is “sexual craving”, whose result is often children that are forced to live in extreme poverty and despair. Children that will grow up to be adults that live in a type of slavery and are constantly abused by monstrous, uncaring political systems, that perpetuate misery.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            thats why they invented cornflakes right?

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      feel free to become a eunuch. let me know how great it is

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    The White House had previously bragged that in December, via private messages from Obama through the Russians and other interlocutors, it stopped the regime in Damascus from using chemical weapons.  One senior defense official told the New York Times, “I think the Russians understood this is the one thing that could get us to intervene in the war.”


    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      This article is from January 28, 2013.  
      The salient point is that we have missed an opportunity to act in our own interest and the humanitarian interest of the Syrian people.  Now the best we can hope for is that the protracted Syrian civil war can be contained and not spill over into Lebanon.  It will end with Syria being a failed state similar to Somalia for a generation.  Our foreign policy must be between President Bush’s invasion first plan later style and our current lead-from-behind, diplomacy for its own sake state of inaction.  Cycling between these two extremes does more harm than good.

  • NewtonWhale

    On Tuesday 2 year old Caroline Starks was shot to death by her 5 year old brother with his Crickett .22 rifle. It was not some adult’s gun that he stumbled upon by accident. It was HIS rifle, given to him when he was 4. He was experienced in using it when he fired the round into his sister’s chest that killed her.

    Her death was a horrific and completely preventable tragedy.But it has taught me several things I did not know, or fully appreciate, before:

    1) The gun is marketed by Keystone Sporting Arms as “My First Rifle”. Some of the cartoons and promotional pictures they use to market these to kids appear below. Thanks to the gun lobby, Congress, and George W. Bush, the Gun Protection Act of 2005 immunizes gun manufacturers from liability for deaths like Caroline’s.

    2) There are large numbers of fathers and mothers, grandparents, uncle and aunts who think it is A GOOD THING to give a gun to a baby. See them below posing proudly with their armed infants.

    3) The so-called “gun culture” is not a culture: it’s a cult, devoted to the idea that the gun itself is a mystical creation with rights of its own, the fountainhead of all freedom, the thing that elevates us above the animals, the Holy Grail that defines us as Americans, and is to be lusted after for its own sake, without regard to actual need:

    “I have more guns than I need, but not as many as I would like.”
    - Phil Gramm

    4) There is a psycho-sexual attraction to guns that motivates the gun cult, but is rarely mentioned, apart from the occasional warning by artists like The Beatles: “Happiness is a Warm Gun, Mama”.

    5) The Second Amendment was never about arming the civilian populace: it was about establishing a well regulated central militia and aimed at those who wanted to arm the civilian populace and feared creating a large standing army controlled by the Federal Government. Read it yourself, it’s right there in  Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist # 29. Hamilton went out of his way to point out how wasteful it would be to divert resources by asking the average citizen to arm and train for defense.


    6) Like the 3/5′s clause, male only suffrage, and prohibition, the Second Amendment is an anachronism that has long outlived its relevance. It has prevented any meaningful control of guns for decades. The result is that since Robert Kennedy was shot in 1968 there have been more Americans killed by guns than in all this country’s wars combined. 


    It must be repealed because we cannot afford the endless carnage that will give us more Columbines, Aurora’s and Caroline Starks.

    • Gregg Smith

      Maybe any parent who gives  5 year old a gun should be shot. That’s a stupid thing to do. I had know idea there was a psycho-sexual, Bush induced, culture of guns epidemic of arming 5 year olds. Do they have a lobby? 

      • NewtonWhale

        Yes, Gregg, they do. And there are many more of them than you think:

        Published by Stephanie Mallory | October 1, 2012

        We celebrated my boys’ September birthdays last weekend with a Wild West birthday party. Approximately 30 little cowboys and cowgirls attended and enjoyed the festivities, such as the sack race, three-legged race and the obstacle course we set up in our yard. Our boys had a ton of fun and received all types of great birthday presents, but nothing put a smile on their faces like the gift they got from their grandfather.

        My father, James Davis (Pawpaw), gave me my first gun, a .22 Browning, when I was a young child, and he wanted to do the same for his grandsons. He presented them each with a Remington Model 66 .22 rifle before their party. We placed the guns on their beds and called them into their room to see their new gifts. Both boys just stood there, staring down at the rifles in amazement. They each gave Pawpaw a big hug and begged him to take them shooting right away, which he promised to do in the coming weeks. They can’t wait, and I can’t wait to get out there with them.

        My dad introduced me to shooting and hunting at a young age. I was only 2 years old the first time he took me to the woods. He instilled in me a love for the outdoors that still exists today. Not only do I enjoy outdoor sports as a hobby, but I turned my passion for the outdoors into a career. He had no idea our trips to the woods and the lake throughout my childhood would shape my entire future.

        I’m excited to see how my boys’ love for the outdoors will evolve. My youngest son, Ransom, who just turned 5, shows a little more enthusiasm for hunting than my older son, Ethan, who just turned 9. Ransom can’t wait to shoot his first deer. Ethan just wants to shoot at targets. Both are fine with me. I just hope we can enjoy the outdoors as a family, just like my dad and I did when I was a child.

        In addition to my boys, I also have twin girls who just turned 3. Pawpaw is already planning on giving them their first guns as well. I hope all four of my children will cherish the guns given to them by Pawpaw and will one day pass them on to their children, along with a love for the outdoors.

        So, tell me about your first gun. Who gave it to you? Do you still have it?

        Jordan Bormann: I got my first gun at the ripe ol’ age of 4 years old.  My love for the outdoors was bred into the very blood that fills my heart.  And in that very heart, that love has grown to consume every moment and thought of my life.  Uncle Jack passed away at a young age, God rest his beautiful soul, but I have never forgotten that special moment when he invited me into the world of the outdoors.  That ol’ gun still rests in my old closet of my parent’s home in Kentucky.  Every once in a blue moon when I’m visiting, I’ll take it out back and fire a few rounds, bringing back the many memories of my Uncle, my Papa, and me spending countless hours learning, teaching, and enjoying the outdoors, the way all young children should experience God’s creation in the most humbling and appreciative form.  Happy hunting yall.  God Bless.


        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          taking a child hunting and leaving them unattended with a loaded gun are two different things.  just today my friend showed me the gun his father bought at sears in boston when he was 11 and brought home on the green line. when i got my red ryder bb gun at age ten it was my most prized possession and provided endless hours of enjoyment while teaching me the fundamentals of shooting. funny how no tragedies occurred in that article either

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      But there’s “good gun culture” and “bad gun culture”, isn’t there?

      I was trying to figure out the difference when I came across Charlie Pierce’s thoughts:

      If a mother from the inner-city of, say, Philadelphia did that, and the kid subsequently shot his sister to death, Fox News never would stop yelling about the crisis in African American communities and the Culture Of Death, and rap music, too.

      • Gregg Smith

        Why would anyone conjure up that fantasy about Fox? 

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          You don’t seem to live in a bubble sometimes. But here you do.

        • NewtonWhale

          Gee, I can’t imagine. Maybe from actually watching Fox?


          • Gregg Smith

            They are attacking racism and it’s good that they do. You are on the side of the racists if you have a problem with anything in the video.

          • NewtonWhale

            Ah, yes. The time honored “I know you are but what am I defense.”

            Just as compelling now as it was in kindergarten.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            You fail English? That’s unpossible!

          • DrewInGeorgia

            They think it’s verbal jujitsu, it’s more like silent charades…
            You know, a lot of empty gestures with no sounding out allowed.
            Damn mimes

          • Gregg Smith

            I believe what I wrote to the pit of my soul with every fiber of my being.

          • Don_B1

            Your sarcasm is dripping.

          • Gregg Smith


      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        actually when that happens it never makes the news

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        sadly, it happens all the time. but when its an illegal gun and a non white person it does not make it into the media as it serves none of their narratives and does not get the big ratings

    • brettearle

      `Point of Order’…..

      Impressive presentation above.

      In me, you are preaching to the Choir.

      However, with regard to the Second Amendment…

      Isn’t it [unfortunately] true that any Jurist of SCOTUS may employ `strict constructionist’ interpretation and disregard The Federalist Papers?

      Now, it may be true that you and I, and many others, would think that it is to the country’s detriment to do so….

      But Justices, such as Renquist and Bork (had he been approved), et al. would have.

      And if they can employ such literal interpretation, it means that technically–whether you or I like it or not–there is one deplorable (and large) part of the America citizenry who is within its rights, with regard to gun ownership.

      • NewtonWhale

        I believe  you are right about SCOTUS. Not only do I believe it: I’ve seen it done. 

        Justice Scalia’s opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) was the first time since the Second Amendment was adopted  in 1791 that SCOTUS held that it protected an INDIVIDUAL’s right to bear arms.

        That’s why I do not suggest that we wait another 217 years for the Supreme Court to change it’s mind. 

        I’m calling for repeal of the Second Amendment itself. Then there will be just as much, but no more, constitutional right to bear arms as there is to own a motor vehicle. Maybe then we’ll get some sensible regulation.

        As for those who say it’s politically impossible, I say tell that to the right wing, which has spent 40 years trying to undo a woman’s right to choose, in spite of the fact that it’s “the law of the land”. They do not stop opposing background checks, which 90% of Americans support, AND THEY WIN.

        Time for our side to play the long game, too.

        • brettearle

          The problem with your patient argument is that the world and this country–from the belief and standpoint of gun advocates, which is quite a fair chunk of the US population–is becoming more of a dangerous place to live.

          What’s more, when Christie becomes president and Ginsberg and/or Kennedy retire, we may have a problem on the `due process’ issue.

          Call me a doomsdayer, but the political power structure of this country is much more center Right, than we would like to think….despite the demographics that helped to reelect the President.

          • NewtonWhale

            Turns out it’s not such a fair chunk, after all, just a very vocal group with outsized influence thanks to gerrymandering and the filibuster:

            Analysis: Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns

            (CNN) – A decreasing number of American gun owners own two-thirds of the nation’s guns and as many as one-third of the guns on the planet — even though they account for less than 1% of the world’s population, according to a CNN analysis of gun ownership data.However, within its own borders, the U.S. gun owning population is on the decline and those gun owners are stockpiling more firearms.


          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            bunk. go try to sign up for a gun or hunting safety class or ask your local police chief how many new gun licenses they process. you might learn a lot in the class too

        • nj_v2

          I agree, the Second Amendment is an anachronism. Time to build a movement.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            yes see who besides billionaire mayors pays dues for that. how much money have you personally contributed to work to repeal our rights?

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          oh and what “sensible regualtion: would you like to see?
          ps the 90% figure is pure bunk

    • William

      It is pointless to have more gun laws since the government has no desire to enforce the current laws.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Too bad the NRA is all gung ho about enforcing current laws and the government is having an existential crisis.

        Oh, wait…

      • NewtonWhale

        That’s like saying Texas doesn’t need new zoning and inspection laws because the government didn’t prevent the Waco fertilizer plant explosion.

      • Don_B1

        It is NOT that the government has no DESIRE to enforce the current laws; it is because the N.R.A. managed to get wording into those laws that makes enforcement problematic, expensive and unlikely to be successful. So with the cuts in the money for enforcement of the nation’s laws, the justice system spends what it has where it is likely to be successful.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          thats not really true

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      so much drivel i cant even address it all. it was stupid of those people to give that kid a gun. end of story.  when you read the discription of what happened it becomes clear they were backwards hillbillys. “the mother was pouring out a pan of grease for the dogs off the porch of their mobile home” lets be honest these people would have bought her a dirtbike or she could have just fallen down a well, or be left in the car with the windows up on  a summer day, run over by a tractor or kicked by a mule if the gun was not in the picture. lets repeal the first amendment first and we can stop you  from saying such silly things

  • Ray in VT

    RIP Chris Kelly of Kris Kross fame.  Dead at 34 from an apparent drug overdose.  How sad.  True, the group was pretty much a one hit wonder, but Jump was a fun song, and it brings back memories of bad high school dances.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      I was surprised to hear Slayer playing on NPR, maybe the end is nigh. Pay attention to those insect bites people. It’s the little things that kill.

  • Gregg Smith

    The scathing Benghazi report that just came out did not tell us anything we didn’t already know. Hillary Clinton is incompetent. I have no idea why she is even being considered in 2016. Her record is abysmal. That President Obama isn’t honest, is not news either. Now the witnesses who have been unnamed and silent are coming forward risking retribution from the administration. Ed Henry asked Obama about allegations of them being threatened and Obama played dumb. This stinks.

    I trust the omission up top on this issue will be raised on the show.

    • StilllHere

      We will never know the truth.  It is too politically risky for Democrats.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Meanwhile, nobody believes that a YouTube video was behind Benghazi, but filmmaker Nakoula is still in jail.  Does the First Amendment have any meaning to the assembled swells at the White House Sycophants Dinner?

      • keltcrusader

        He is in jail becuase he broke his probation by producing and releasing the “film” on the internet, which he was forbidden to do. This film sparked riots in many places around the world, so it was not a stretch to think it caused the unrest in Benghazhi. 

        • J__o__h__n

          The filmmaker shouldn’t be blamed for idiots who riot.

          • keltcrusader

            That is not what I am saying. I think rioting and killing people over a crappy film is about as stupid as you can get. The guy is in jail because he broke his probation, not because he made a foul film.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I have a problem with loosing the right to free speech as a condition for probation.

          • Ray in VT

            He still had a right to say whatever he wanted.  He was just not supposed to use computers due to his financial fraud.  He could have done it up on VHS and passed it around bootleg style.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            or used hyroglyphics

          • keltcrusader

            He was was convicted and served time for opening fake bank accounts by using aliases and kiting checks to the tune of 10′s of thousands of dollars.
            Part of his probabtion agreement prohibited him from using aliases & the internet without prior permission from his probation officer which he totally ignored when he released his “film” on the internet. 

  • StilllHere

    Use of a chemical weapons would be a game changer, or maybe not.  Not an honest broker!

    • brettearle

      What’s more important?

      Leaders changing their minds when it ‘s prudent to?

      Or getting into wars that are dangerously complex; may wind abetting the enemy; and would, unquestionably, increase Islamic blowback, all over world….especially in the aftermath of the act of Terrorism Boston? 

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        I support President Obama in resisting becoming the Airforce of the Free Syrian Army.  It would have been better if he didn’t make such a boast in the first place.  But sin in haste repent at leasure.

        • Gregg Smith

          Especially since he knew the words were hollow when he said them. He thinks words are all he needs.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – so you’re a mind reader now?

            What happened to your beloved auto-response “Please don’t tell me what I think”?

            How does that “PDTMWIT” attitude square with your remarks “he [Pres. Obama] knew the words were hollow when he said them. He thinks words are all he needs”?

            Please explain.

          • Gregg Smith

            It’s our job as citizens to think about what’s going on in his noggin. Staying vigilant against the possibility of tyrannical government is what we’re supposed to do. I’m not debating the President on a stupid blog. 

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – the problem with your reply is that your words were unequivocal. You did not write something like “considering all that I know and believe, and what I’ve read and heard, I THINK Obama knew … ”

            Instead, you wrote “he [Pres. Obama] KNEW the words were hollow when he said them. He THINKS words are all he needs”. (emphasis added)

            This can scarcely be characterized as “think[ing] about what’s going on in his noggin” or “Staying vigilant against the possibility of tyrannical government”.

            Your words conveyed certainty and zero doubt about what Pres. Obama “knew” and what “He thinks”, yet you personally protest when you feel someone else is telling you about what you’re thinking.

            At best this is inconsistency; at worst it’s hypocrisy.

          • Gregg Smith

            Telling someone what they think then criticizing them for thinking it as a form of debate is shallow and dishonest…. and common as all get out around here. It’s gets funny at times.

            I’m not debating the President, we debate about him. Some swear he thinks the economy is rebounding, or he thinks global warming is man made and killing the planet, or he thinks Benghazi was about a video, or he thinks he must furlough FAA controllers. And others think he thinks like I think he thinks. We debate it.

            Sue me.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – “Sue me”? Why so defensive?

            My point is that your words smack of “do as I say, not as I do” and seem inconsistent with each other. You appear to feel otherwise, which is certainly not unexpected. Your explanation did not dispute the inconsistency of your words, but rather twice pointed out that you’re “not debating the President”.

            Do you feel your words “he [Pres. Obama] knew the words were hollow when he said them. He thinks words are all he needs” are consistent with your oft-expressed response “Please don’t tell me what I think”?

          • StilllHere

            You know there was probably an all-day meeting with all the smartest people talking about what BHO should say that would make him look presidential with no substance in the short run but he’d be able to walk away from it unscathed as well. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        stay the course heh heh fool me fool me (my best typed bush impression)

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    FTA:I think we’re all agreed the president is fading—failing to lead, to break through, to show he’s not at the mercy of events but, to some degree at least, in command of them. He couldn’t get a win on gun control with 90% (sic) public support. When he speaks on immigration reform you get the sense he’s setting it back. He’s floundering on Syria. The looming crisis on implementation of ObamaCare has begun to fill the news. Even his allies are using the term “train wreck.” ObamaCare is not only the most slovenly written major law in modern American history, it is full of sneaked-in surprises people are just discovering. The Democrats of Washington took advantage of the country’s now-habitual distractedness: The country, now seeing what’s coming in terms of taxes and fees, will not be amused. Mr. Obama’s brilliant sequester strategy—scare the American public into supporting me—flopped. Congress is about to hold hearings on Boston and how the brothers Tsarnaev slipped through our huge law-enforcement and immigration systems. Benghazi and what appear to be its coverups drags on and will not go away; press secretary Jay Carney was reduced to saying it happened “a long time ago.” It happened in September. The economy is stuck in low-growth, employment in no-growth. The president has about a month to gather himself together on the budget, tax reform and an immigration deal before Congress goes into recess. What are the odds?


    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Wise words from Professor that I can only quote: 

      I’d like to see us learn the lesson of ObamaCare — and of the gun debate. No more “gangs,” no more hurry-up votes on incredibly long bills that no one has read. Normal order: Committee hearings in both houses, markups, votes without special closed rules, conference committees to resolve differences. In other words, a deliberative process. If Obama hadn’t been trying so hard for a “win,” he wouldn’t have abandoned that approach for basically his entire presidency. He still didn’t win much — except for ObamaCare, and the bills for that “win” are coming due.

      • keltcrusader

        Methinks thou dost protest too much

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Your response is lost on me. I must be distracted by the glorious spring day we are having in MA.  

          • keltcrusader

            You sound like you are trying to hard to convince yourself & others about how dismal our President is doing, ok?

            It’s been much nicer the past few days, but today is cooler. At least we are having a normal Spring for a change. ((((knocking on wood))) 

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            It may be too early for certainty but there is evidence of a trend in both items.

          • Gregg Smith

            Actually this Spring is not normal. It’s the second coldest start to Spring in US history.

          • keltcrusader

            Last year in NE, we had March/April temps in the 80/90 range. That is not, in any stretch of the imagination, normal. This year my flowers & trees are flowering when they are supposed to, not a month or more early. My crabapple just started blooming this week and it is a beauty to see.

          • StilllHere

            Where’s the On Point show on global cooling?

          • Ray in VT

            Maybe they’ll do one if it can be shown to be more than just a short term anomaly in a warming world.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            But Ray, that’s tailor-made for a PublicRadioContrarian hour.

          • Don_B1

            @StilllHere:disqus @rayinvt:disqus @yahoo-JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y:disqus
            Actually the cool spring is an artifact of the warming Arctic.

            The Arctic has warmed more than the Tropics, so the temperature difference that drives the mid-latitudes circulation is not as strong so the Jet Streams wiggle around more, “blocking highs” prevent systems (e.g., Hurricane Sandy) from moving to the east, and the (still cold) Arctic air masses swoop down on the mid-latitudes all around the world. 

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – does your “It’s the second coldest start to Spring in US history.” claim take into account only the weather stations that have been around the longest, or does it include newer stations?

            Remember the argument over the newer stations after NOAA’s NCDC announced 2012 was “Warmest Year on Record for Contiguous U.S.”?

            Just curious.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            and no rain

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       “He couldn’t get a win on gun control with 90% (sic) public support.”

      The voters do not get to vote on house and senate bills, therefore the President has not failed. The FAILURES sit in the House and Senate and vote against the desires of the people they are supposed to represent.

      This isn’t “support by a bare majority”, even the (should be illegal) majority of the majority “rule” to bring bills to the house floor would have not been able to keep this legislation at bay.  If something that is supported by 90% of the public can”t pass, there is no hope that anything will ever get done in Washington.

      Yet, those who voted against it kiss the backside of the NRA, a small, VERY SMALL, percentage of the voting public many of whose members SUPPORT the bill.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        “Reality denied comes back to haunt.”
        Philip K. Dick

        There is no ground swell of Americans wanting more gun control. Repeating that claim does not make it true. The argument was settled by the recent SCOTUS decisions. Even in Chicago they know that gun control is a lost cause. But please, devote all your time and energies to it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        you know those polls are junk and that the congress people represent their constituants and not “the desires of the people” right?

    • hennorama

      RWB – presumably Ms. Noonan’s use of the word “we” in “I think we’re all agreed” refers to the Wall Street Journal editorial board, and their overlord/owner, Rupert “I do blame one or two people (but not myself, obviously) for that little ‘phone hacking’ thing” Murdoch.

      • JGC

        Noonan has no grace.  

        • hennorama

          JGC – one must give Ms. Noonan credit for at least one thing – her accurate assessment of Sarah Palin as having shown “little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office.”

          Noonan followed this up with “She doesn’t think aloud. She just . . . says things” and “She does not speak seriously but attempts to excite sensation— …” and “She is not as thoughtful or persuasive as Joe the Plumber …” and “In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It’s no good, not for conservatism and not for the country.”

          This is giving credit when and where it’s due, but nothing more.

          Ms. Noonan is, after all, also responsible for “a thousand points of light,” and also quite possibly “Read my lips: no new taxes”.


          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            When it comes to a partisan like Nooners, one has to remember what hat she’s wearing when.

            At that point, Noonan may have thought Palin was so unqualified that even all the other factors put together otherwise couldn’t sell her to the voters in 2008.

            To use an allegory, if politics is a football game, I’m not going to give Noonan much credit for being a broadcast analyst when she’s clearly in the role of assistant coach.

          • hennorama

            TF – well said.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      september is over two hundred news cycles ago. ancient history

  • Ray in VT

    The April job numbers were a bit better than most expected.  165,000 added in April, with March revised up to 138,000 from 88,000 and February revised up from 268,000 to 332,000.  Let to poo-pooing begin.

    • Gregg Smith

      It only takes about 120K to keep up with population growth so it’s a net gain, bravo! I doubt anyone had to settle for part time work or took pay cut. Upward mobility abounds. Happy days are here again.

      I’m actually glad some people found work but you teed up the poo poo thing for me and I couldn’t resist. You know how I am.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        I was able to resist, does that mean I’m growing as a person?

        • Gregg Smith

          I would say yes but you could not resist clicking “like”. Sorry, you still have work…. but you’re ahead of me.

      • Ray in VT

        Actually, according to the Atlanta Fed, as of last fall it took about 104,000 jobs to keep up with population growth, so it is well over the line, even if we ticked that up a couple of thousand to account for population growth since then.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        How many months of Bush II’s patented “five-and a half year expansion” had worse job growth than this?

        (Cue the “BushWasNotATrueConservative” brigade.)

        • Gregg Smith

          The unemployment rate averaged about 5%. The labor force participation rate was much higher as well. Those were the days.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            And median income went down. During a five-year expansion.

            Those were the days, indeed.

          • Gregg Smith

            Median income is now the lowest it’s been since 1995. 

            Cherry-pick another.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            The press corps was telling us all how good times were then. Now they’re not.

            You don’t need to cherry pick–you’ve got all the Beltway Inbreds reiterating what you like already.

          • Gregg Smith

            Alrighty then.

        • Ray in VT

          It looks like the first one under Bush II was November 2003.  It was the only one in 2003.  4 of 12 in 2004.  7 of 12 in 2005.  7 of 12 in 2006.  2 of 12 in 2007.  If one calls the expansion 1st quarter of 2002 to the 4th quarter of 2007, then that would be 60 months, with 21 of those being above 165,000.

          • Gregg Smith

            When most people already have good jobs fewer jobs are added. It’s pretty basic. 4% is considered full employment by many.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            “Good jobs”?

            You remember that decade differently than economists.

          • Gregg Smith

            “Good” defined as full time and at higher wages than now.

          • Ray in VT

            That is true, although we never got the unemployment rate down to 4%.

            There was time during Bush’s presidency that while GDP grew, jobs declined, and there were quite a few months when job gains failed to keep up with population growth, even while the unemployment rate was between 5.5 and 6.0%.

            Median income only just got back up to 1999-2000 levels in 2007 just before the crash, and while per capita GDP grew by roughly $4,000 during that period, median income merely dipped and recovered, so I think that the “good jobs” statement is a bit questionable, seeing as how many of those jobs would have to have been lower wage in order to be a drag on the median number.

          • Gregg Smith

            Yes, as I wrote it averaged around 5%. That’s why I said “when most people…”

          • Don_B1

            Note how Gregg would be happy with the 5% unemployment number if ALL the jobs were 20% less pay than previously.

            The poor select to work for low wages in Gregg’s mind. He’s just happy they are not “on the dole.”

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          (Cue the “BushWasNotATrueConservative” brigade.) LOL That’s funny coming from a person that doesn’t think President Obama is a Leftist.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Bush was feted at CPAC. He was “our man in the White House” (for the right) and if one was “agin him” one was “agin America”. He got his cck sucked by the press to a fare-thee-well.

            The public started abandoning him in the mid-’00s. Then, pretty much when he bottomed out at 27%-30% approval, he stopped being a “conservative” and popular with the press.

            Since then, all conservatives have been doing is dithering over white-washing over him out of history, or asking themselves “Is it time to retcon him into an underappreciated President”.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Are you a professional comedian? This must be a prank on me. “He got his cck sucked by the press to a fare-thee-well.” President George Bush? The Press? You can’t be serious?

          • hennorama

            TF – one presumes that when you wrote “cck” you were referring to cholecystokinin (CCK), a hormone produced mostly by the small intestine when fats are present, causing the gallbladder to release bile, and also causing the secretion of pancreatic digestive enzymes.
            CCK has also been found in the brain and may be associated with opioid drug tolerance and the hypersensitivity to pain that is common during opioid withdrawal.

            That sounds really icky in the context of the sentence “He got his cck sucked by the press to a fare-thee-well”.

            Unless you meant something else, of course.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Considering the person involved it sounds really icky no matter the context.

          • Don_B1

            Well done!

          • hennorama

            Don_B1 – Thank you for your kind words.

            A little leavening with a little levity seemed appropriate. We get far too little comic relief in here, IMO.

            TY again.

          • nj_v2


            Obama a “leftist”


            Woo, hoo, good one!

            Gimmie some of what this guy’s drinking!

          • jefe68

            From the comments that RWB posts I bet Yosemite Sam is screaming left wing commie in his view.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Not exactly.
            Yosemite Sam: “I’m a Hessian without no aggression.”Bunker Hill Bunny (1950)

  • Gregg Smith

    100K went to the Tsarnaevs in the form of various welfare programs. Your tax dollars at work.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      100K is just the tip of the iceberg.  That number doesn’t include the free healthcare (Masshealth) that was disclosed after the 100K was tabulated.  There is sure to be more goodies in the bag.

      • J__o__h__n

        He will be getting free housing and food for life.

    • NewtonWhale

      Are these the same Tsaraev’s that George Bush granted political asylum to in 2002? 

    • jefe68

      So what’s your point? 
      Because of these two schmuck’s all public assistance should be stopped? 

      The level of your inanity is astounding.

      • Gregg Smith

        Yea that’s exactly what I meant, we should end it for everybody. Right on. You pegged me. There is no way to question anything so lets throw the baby out with the bath water. Yea. You were correct to criticize what I was thinking.

        • nj_v2

          Translation: I’ll just get all indignant and avoid answering the question. Maybe no on will notice.

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg was denied a second slice of pizza today at an Italian eatery in Brooklyn.
    The owners of Collegno’s Pizzeria say they refused to serve him more than one piece to protest Bloomberg’s proposed soda ban, which would limit the portions of soda sold in the city.
    (Caution the Mayor’s recorded response is NSFW.)


    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      The irony is delicious.

      • jefe68

        So’s the pizza.

        • Ray in VT

          Must not be a Papa John’s.

          • J__o__h__n

            or Godfather’s or Domino’s.  Republicans tend to make bad pizza.

          • Ray in VT

            I’d never even heard of Godfather’s until the Cain Train pulled out of the station then stalled.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            At some point I realized that not every American’s birthright includes a village pizza place run by an Italian family for several generations.

            But I grew up in suburban New England, so my baseline for “decent pizza” is a bit higher than where Godfathers and their ilk have flourished.

            (Those of you in the Southwest can substitute “Mexican” and make the same claim.)

          • Ray in VT

            I think that I’ve had relatively little bad pizza, and for a long time I didn’t really think that it was possible. There’s a good place locally called House of Pizza.  It’s a bit greasy, but I usually just soak it off, and boy is it tasty.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            God I wish I hadn’t just read that pizza thread.

            It’s been a few months…

          • Ray in VT

            Months?  How do you survive?

          • DrewInGeorgia

            I’d probably be making the 25 mile hike right now if I had the money. I’ll be thinking about a big ole slice all day.
            Now you know why I’m so angry all the time.
            All work and no pizza…


          • Ray in VT

            Wah, wah, waaaah.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            lol, it was pretty pathetic.
            No oven sucks, going to try to build a brick one soon.
            If only you could cook pizza on a stove.

          • Ray in VT

            Not to rub it in, but we had pizza for my son’s birthday party yesterday.  I hope that you can get yourself an oven so as to stop wandering in the pizzaless wilderness.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            west of the mississippi the pizza is garbage

          • keltcrusader

            I have lived all over NE, but still think my hometown in western MA had the best pizza because it was made by Italians who came from where my grandfather emigrated from. Pizza may be an American thing, but Italians sure know how to do it right. I still make a point to get it when I visit family & friends. 

      • nj_v2

        So is your inability to discern reality from satire.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      They didn’t have the balls to refuse him the first slice?

    • J__o__h__n

      Technically, he should be able to order two slices just not one jumbo slice as people would still be free to purchase two non-jumbo sodas. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        i consider 16 oz of fountian drink a small

    • NewtonWhale

      Sadly, no.

      This was a satire. Never happened.
      But that didn’t stop Drudge from, ahem, swallowing it:

      The Drudge Report Fell Hard for This Fake Bloomberg Pizza Revenge Story


      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Thanks for reading Drudge so we don’t have to.

        I mean, Politico reads Drudge all the time, but they don’t have your acumen for sniffing out bullshite.

    • hennorama

      RWB – the fact that “humor is lost to [you] currently” does you a significant disservice here. The Daily Currant is widely known as a satirical site, and says so in the “About” section of their website:

      “The Daily Currant is an English language online satirical newspaper that covers global politics, business, technology, entertainment, science, health and media. It is accessible from over 190 countries worldwide – now including South Sudan.

      “Our mission is to ridicule the timid ignorance which obstructs our progress, and promote intelligence – which presses forward.”

      “Q. Are your news stories real?

      “A. No. Our stories are purely fictional. However they are meant to address real-world issues through satire and often refer and link to real events happening in the world.”


  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    New study shows Oregon Medicaid coverage results in “fairly substantial improvements in the percentage of patients with depression, high blood pressure, high cholesterol,” and (my paraphrase) diabetes health markers.

    And (no surprise) it did increase use of health care services and reduce financial strain.

    (In a short timeframe and with a small sample size, the bar of 95% likelihood was not crossed. But that’s never been a litmus test for anti-sciencers, or the patsy mainstream press.)

    Let’s see how NPR responds to this.

  • stephenreal

    Bugs Bunny: I dares ya ta’ step across this line! 
    (drawing a line across the ground)
    Yosemite Sam: OK, I’m a-steppin’! 
    (Bugs continues this schtick all the way out of town to the edge of a cliff.)

  • toc1234

    Can someone pls ask Dina, on a scale 1 to 10, how disappointed she was when the marathon bombers turned out not to be right-wing extremists?  (and perhaps as a follow-up, could she compare this level of disappointment w that of when she found out George Zimmerman was Hispanic?)  Thanks!

    ***NPR’s “All Things Considered” aired a segment in which the tax-subsidized network’s counterterrorism reporter, Dina Temple-Ralston, declared: “April is a big month for anti-government, and right wing, individuals. There’s the Columbine anniversary. There’s Hitler’s birthday. There’s the Oklahoma City bombing. There’s the assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. And the FBI right now is comparing this to the Eric Rudolph case.” Rudolph is the fringe right-winger behind the Atlanta Olympics bombing in 1996.****

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Hey, you forgot to call Tim McVeigh, anti-government right-wing federal-government-building-bomber, “fringe”.

      Didn’t you read the talking points?

      • William

         Did President Clinton pardon some FALN terrorists (hard core Leftist terror organization) to help Hillary to win her bid for a Senate seat?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Without looking it up, just by the fact that it’s you putting it on the internet, I’ll say “no”.

          But keep JAQing off, William.

          • William

            Did Clinton pardon Susan Rosenberg too?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Keep JAQing off, William.

          • William

             Did he?

          • Ray in VT

            The Fisheries Association of Newfoundland and Labrador?  Those bastards.

          • Gregg Smith

            Without looking it up, I remember it well. It happened.

    • WorriedfortheCountry


    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      I found it interesting to learn that Hitler’s birthday is a big day in in the Tea Party Movement.  


      • Ray in VT

        So when exactly did she say that?

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      hitlers birthday?

      • hennorama

        Adolph Hitler was not only born in the month of April, he also died in the month of April.
        Born: April 20, 1889
        Died: April 30, 1945

        The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks numerous neo-Nazi groups and their various chapters, which you can see here:http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/neo-nazi/active_hate_groups

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          if i cared about that i would look it up. partisans on both sides are nuts and do stupid, evil things

          • hennorama

            Futo Buddy – Indeed. the justifications that some groups claim for their actions can seem random and small to others, including “celebrating” the anniversary of the birth of someone they idolize.

            Thanks for your response.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            or made up WMDs

  • nj_v2

    Weekly jackassery roundup, Dimocrap edition

    “I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more than any other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists — and won. They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am president.”
    —Barack Obama, Speech in Des Moines, IA, November 10, 2007


    Obama Picks One of Telecom’s Most Powerful Industry Lobbyists to Head FCC

    The president’s pick, Tom Wheeler, has served as both an informal adviser and key fundraiser for Obama and was for many years the head of two powerful industry associations.

    As the Los Angeles Times reports:

    From 1979 to 1984, Wheeler headed the National Cable Television Assn., since renamed the National Cable and Telecommunications Assn. After eight years helping to create technology companies, Wheeler took over as head of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Assn. in 1992, leaving in 2005 to join Core Capital Partners.



    Obama Nominates Billionaire, “Heavyweight” Fundraiser for Commerce Secretary
    Pritzker yet another pro-corporate, anti-labor nomination

    As the Chicago Tribune reports:

    Pritzker’s nomination could prove controversial. She is on the board of Chicago-based Hyatt Hotels Corp., which was founded by her wealthy family and has had rocky relations with labor unions, and she could face questions about the failure of a bank partly owned by her family.

    With a personal fortune estimated at $1.85 billion, Pritzker, 54, is listed by Forbes magazine among the 300 wealthiest Americans.
    Ahead of her nomination, a petition organized by CREDO Action urged Obama not to nominate Pritzker, calling her “an anti-worker business mogul who should not be appointed to head the Commerce Department.”



    Six Whistleblowers Charged Under the Espionage Act

    The Obama administration has been carrying out an unprecedented crackdown on whistleblowers, particularly on those who have divulged information that relates to national security. The Espionage Act, enacted during the first World War to punish Americans who aided the enemy, had only been used three times in its history to try government officials accused of leaking classified information — until the Obama administration. Since 2009, the administration has used the act to prosecute six government officials. Meet the whistleblowers.


  • nj_v2

    Weekly jackassery roundup; Rethuglicon/right-wing edition; part 1 of 2


    McConnell again under attack for pro-gun stand

    U.S. Sen. Mitch McConnell is being criticized in a new radio ad for voting against expanded background checks for gun buyers.

    The ad says 82 percent of Kentuckians support universal background checks on gun buyers, but McConnell won’t listen to them.



    Umm, Err, Well, Uhh: Ayotte Tries to Explain Gun Vote to Daughter of Newtown Victim

    Accountability may yet live: In conceivably the only good to come from the Senate’s unfathomable failure to pass weak-as-water gun control, new polls show that several senators who voted with the NRA have seen their ratings plummet, some as much as 18 points. One such deserving loser is Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.), who voted against background checks even though 75% of her state’s voters support them. The NRA has begun running radio ads thanking Ayotte for her “courage,” but alot of her constituents are feeling considerably less grateful. At her first town meeting since the vote, Ayotte was confronted by a visibly angry Erica Lafferty, daughter of slain Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung: “You had mentioned (the) owners of gun stores that the expanded background checks would harm….I am just wondering why the burden of my mother being gunned down in the halls of her elementary school isn’t more important than that.” In response, Ayotte stammered, stuttered, fell ingloriously into silence because, really, what is there to say? Then Lafferty marched out of the town hall: “I had had enough.” Wow. Watch.


    Rise of the conservative revolutionaries

    Take a look at the cross-tabs on page 3 of the national survey. That’s right, you are reading it correctly: Almost half (44 percent) of all self-described Republican voters say they believe “an armed revolution might be necessary to protect our liberties.” Just as bad, more Republicans believe an armed revolution might be necessary than believe one isn’t necessary.


    EXCLUSIVE: New Hampshire Lawmaker Warns Of Revolution Over Immigration Reform

    GIONET: One of the things that concerns my constituents — the majority of my constituents –- is the appointments that are now being made in Washington by our President and the way he is handling the illegal immigrants, nationalizing them and giving them the opportunity to vote, and wanting to keep track of our guns. They are worried that they are going to have to use these guns because of our own government. Now is there anything in Washington that says — any telltale signs that maybe we might be headed for an internal revolution given the fact that these kinds of things are going on? This is what’s said in the groups that I sit in.



    GOP Battles A Threat To Gun Rights That Even The NRA Says Doesn’t Exist

    Republican lawmakers are pushing legislation aimed at combating a threat to gun rights that even the National Rifle Association has described as pure fiction.

    A bill introduced late last week by Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) and Rep. Frank Lucas (R-OK) would ban federal agencies, excluding the Pentagon, from buying more ammunition during a six-month period if it currently possesses more than its monthly averages during the Bush administration.

    The conspiracy theory that incubated the bill is that the Obama administration is trying to buy up bullets so ordinary Americans have less access to them in the marketplace.


    • nj_v2

      Rethuglicon/right-wing jackassery, part 2 of 2:


      Republican Congressman Threatens To Impeach President Obama Over Gun Safety Measures

      Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX), who just began his second stint in the U.S. Congress, is already threatening to impeach President Obama should the administration use executive power to implement gun violence prevention efforts.

      Stockman, who served one term in the mid-1990s, returned to the House of Representatives on January 3. Just 11 days later, he issued a warning that he intends to introduce articles of impeachment if necessary to obstruct any use of any executive order to keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and other dangerous people.



      GOP Uses Picture Of Obama Consoling A Newtown Victim To Gloat About Obama’s ‘Defeats’

      Earlier today, the Republican National Committee released a one minute video gloating that President Obama has experienced a “string of defeats” during the first 100 days of his second term. Of course, the reason for these “defeats” is that the GOP retains the power to unilaterally block progress in the Senate through filibusters, and they maintain control of the House despite losing the popular vote by nearly 1.4 million votes. So the GOP strategy seems to be to block Obama’s agenda, and then question his leadership because he can’t get his agenda passed.

      This, of course, is merely a continuation of the GOP’s political strategy during the President’s first term. What is new, however, is that the RNC’s gloating video features this image:

      That’s President Obama consoling Nicole Hockley, whose son Dylan was killed during the Newton massacre. Worse, this picture was taken shortly after a coalition of mostly Senate Republicans killed a bill that was intended to prevent more people from dying from gun violence. That’s what the Republican Party is gloating about when it brags that President Obama has experienced a “string of defeats.”


      Fox News guest: Scientific ‘enlightenment and reason’ led to the Holocaust

      A Fox News guest on Thursday slammed President Barack Obama’s transportation secretary nominee, connecting him to an 18th century scientific movement that embraced reason, which she said was partially to blame for the Holocaust.

      Fox News host Steve Doocy asked Penny Nance, CEO of the Christian activist group Concerned Women for America, if she could make any sense out of why Charlotte Mayor Anthony Foxx would proclaim May 2 as both a “Day of Prayer” and a “Day of Reason.”

      “He comes from North Carolina, which has the 7th highest church attendance, clearly he’s not running for re-election since he’s up for transportation secretary,” she opined. “You know, G. K. Chesterton said that the Doctrine of Original Sin is the only one which we have 3,000 years of empirical evidence to back up. Clearly, we need faith as a component and it’s just silly for us to say otherwise.”



      Tennessee Commissioner Refuses To Apologize For Anti-Muslsim Picture On Facebook

      A Tennessee County Commissioner doesn’t see anything wrong with a Facebook post he put up that led to Muslims feeling threatened.

      The photo was posted to Coffee County commissioner Barry West‘s Facebook page, drawing consternation from Muslim groups who came across the image. In the photo, seen at the right, a double-barreled shotgun is pointed at the viewer with the caption “HOW TO WINK AT A MUSLIM.” The image soon went viral, causing West to take down the original post from his page.


      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        What, Louis Gomert took the week off?

      • Ray in VT

        How about this lovely lady from New Hampshire:


        She apparently knows that the Boston bombing is a government conspiracy because of how one of the victims, who lost both legs, appeared to react on TV.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

           Hey, there are only so many pixels on the internet for NJ. Sometimes
          every wingnut statement from the low minors* doesn’t make the Top Plays!

          Maybe with the right development, she’ll be ready for AAA ball someday.

          *New Hampshire has a legislature of some 3000 citizens.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            if there were not a few whackos in their legislature it would not accuratly reflect the poeple

      • jefe68

        It’s clear to me that the Republican party is home to complete nut cases such as Rep. Steve Stockman.

        We have one of the worst dysfunctional governments right now and I put the lions share of the blame on the GOP lead congress. It is also the most divided in modern history. I would liken it to before the Civil War.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          lol jefe hyperbole much?

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        failing to defend and protect the constitution would be against his oath of office.

         “the popular vote” lol

    • William

       The Left has a history of violence against the government and some like Obama’s mentor, Bill Ayers, have no regrets and wish he done more.

      • jefe68

        Oh please, this is all you have?

        • William

           You know of course, the ELF, a major, worldwide leftist terrorist group, (FBI called them them a top domestic terror group) is still very active.

          • Ray in VT

            But unlike the right wing whack jobs, left of center terror rarely kills people in America.  Anti abortion extremists have killed more people in the U.S. than the Earth Liberation Front.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Remember the mediarules: Right wing terrorism is “one bad apple acting alone”.

            Anyone who is “the other” is part of “a movement”.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            tell that to Dorners victims or gabby giffords 

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t especially recall any stated political motives for either of those.  I also said rarely, which does not mean none at all.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            you don’t think shooting up a congresspersons political rally is a political statement?
            i guess you did not read dorners manifesto. if nothing else its pretty hilarious.
            he is a big time gun control advocate. i dont know if it can be verified but i have heard that in fact all of the recent mass shooters have been registered democrats. personally i think its rather silly to blame a political “side” for the actions of an isolated nut

          • jefe68

            Wow, I’m really trembling about all those left wing terrorist.

            The level of your inanity is astounding.

        • William

           What did Tom say about the May Day violence?

          • StilllHere

            Those aren’t terrorists, they’re freedom fighters.

          • Ray in VT

            Like the Contras when the Reagan administration supplied them by covertly dealing with Iran or the IRA according to Peter King?  The IRA as okay, of course, because it didn’t attack the U.S.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            not to mention the tons of cocaine the CIA smuggled into LA to pay for it all

          • Ray in VT

            Are you talking about Seattle where “Hours after a peaceful march concluded in Seattle, several dozen
            protesters, some covering their faces with bandanas, began pelting
            police with rocks and bottles. Officers responded with pepper spray and
            “flash bang” grenades — releasing smoke, a flashing light, and a loud
            noise — to disburse the crowd.”


            or something else?  I heard that a member of a white supremacist group got urine thrown on him.  I assume that you aren’t referring to that.

            We also didn’t hear about the assaults have have occurred against Muslims since the Boston bombing or the comments of Louie Gohmert who said “But this administration has so many Muslim Brotherhood members
            that have influence that they just are making wrong decisions for

    • harverdphd

       mad mark the anti-partisan warrior….any comment?….didn’t think so….

    • hennorama

      nj_v2 – one thing about the Sen. Ayotte/Erica Lafferty video that has gone completely unremarked upon (to my knowledge) is how Sen. Ayotte literally recoils and steps back from from Ms. Lafferty during her answer.

      It happens at about 1:06 into the video.

      This presumably unintentional action is quite telling. It is generally considered to be a defensive act, and a politician’s no-no, especially in town hall style meetings.

      Notice too how Sen. Ayotte draws her right hand (clutching both the water bottle and microphone) tightly to her chest, and that the hand stays there for about a minute and a half, until Sen. Ayotte changes the subject to how she took heat from some in her own party about the issue. This drawing back of the hand is also considered to be a defensive movement.

      The step back was quite noticeable to me, but most viewers likely “read” this body language without realizing it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      what keeps that myth going and i have heard it in many places and dont believe is the unbelievable ammo shortage. its hard for people to understand how there could be such a severe ammo shortage so they need some sort of an explanation thats how mythology always begins. what else its based in is the fact the the govt has some language that says that DHS can buy up to something like 1.6. billion rounds but both they and the manufacturers and the NRA said they actually buy much less than that and havent bought more this year than last and only like 200 million rounds. the ammo shortage is pretty horrible and upsetting but as soon as it clears up so will this myth.  the prices are trending slightly downwards so maybe we are turning a corner on this thing god willing. or maybe the NRA and the ammo makers are in on the conspiricy and the govt is hording .22 somewhere for some reason lol

  • anamaria23

    I find it chilling that Senators would vote against a meager gun control bill meant to enhance the common good out of contempt for the President.  There is a  malignant hatred at work. The fate of the nation is suffering and the government is utterly dysfunctional because of  hatred.
      So many of the comments here are filled with darkness and contempt for the POTUS and it seems to be personal and beyond policy. 
    I never once  thought of  racism in the  opposition.  I thought
    the majority of the country was above that.  I am not so sure now.
    Something is deeply wrong in America. 

    • MrNutso

      Because it’s no longer about governing, it’s about power. With enough power, one side can unilaterally enact their agenda.  Therefore, one side will not do anything to reduce their current standing, while enhancing the standing of the other side.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        yes because there are two “sides” and they are not both beholden to the same corporate interests

    • warryer

      All you are saying is emotional dribble. You have not standing ground. Where is your proof? Why is the government dysfunctional when the measure you support doesn’t go through? It is possible that others have differing opinions? Are they allowed different opinions?  

      And then, of course, you descend down farther into your senseless finger pointing; saying that the people who didn’t back the gun control bill are racist. boo – f**king – hoo. Is this really what you honestly think? 

      2nd Ammendment: “….he right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” 

      • MrNutso

        The 2nd Amendment:

        “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state ..”.

        • nj_v2

          Don’t confuse him, MrN. He’s got it all figured out.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          yes, we would be more safe and free with more people exercising their rights

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Sen. Pat Toomey (R-ClubforGrowthPA): GOP: Background checks failed because GOP didn’t want to help Obama

        NYTimes headline massages the fact to a wimpy headline trying to gloss over the truth:
        Americans’ Unity on Big Issues Doesn’t Bridge Partisan Gap.

        “Partisan”, as almost always, is a media euphemism for “Republicans throw little fit, bring things to a standstill, so both sides are to blame.”

        And if you think your side can with without racists, you’re fooling yourself.

      • jefe68

        You left out well regulated.

        I can say the same about the dribble you posted.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          20,000 regulations seem pretty well regulated to me. how many do we need to be “safe”?

      • anamaria23

        Senator Pat Toomey of PA  stated that the Repubs did not vote for background checks because “the President wanted it”  He is a sponsor of the bill and a Repub.

        Kelley Ayotte voted against the bill because of stated  fear of a non existant specifically prohibited gun registry,

        “Unyielding opposition to any Obama policy”  pledged on Inaugeration night 2009 is a bit more than  differing opinion.  It is intentional  attempt to destroy a Presidency

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          an article a few weeks ago on WBUR quoted a pro more gun control advocate as saying that they would have to have a registry and it opens the door to such a thing and that tactic has been used in other countries and is always the step before confiscation

      • NrthOfTheBorder

        speak for yourself warryer.

      • hennorama

        warryer – not to put too fine a point on it, but what you wrote – especially “You have not standing ground.” and “….he right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”  - is notional drivel.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      “Something is deeply wrong in America.”

      The phrase “Rotten to the core” comes to mind.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      wait, there was a bad bill and if you recognised that you are racist?
      i am going to have a little contempt for any politician who wants to infringe on my rights. tell me how that bill would “enhance the common good”?

  • Francine Bee


    • OnPointComments

      Me too.

  • Ray in VT

    Is anyone going to address how the Saudis were both complicit in the Boston bombing and warned us in advance?


    as well as how the recent shooting at a Houston airport was a set up that will be used to steal our freedoms


    • hennorama

      Ray in VT – I’ll say it, proudly and bravely and in complete defiance of all who are holier-than-thou …

      Keep up the great work.

      • Ray in VT

        Well, we should really give equal footing to all ideas, no matter how unsupported by facts or how questionable the source.  I’m also still waiting to learn why some rescue crews responding to Sandy were turned back because they were not union members.

        • hennorama

          Ray in VT – yesssss, yessss, all ideas are equal, obviously.

          For example, Mitt Romney losing the November 2012 Presidential election was good for the US stock markets, obviously, and his loss is the sole reason for the upward movement in the markets.

          As previously directed, keep up the great work.

    • Gregg Smith

      Anytime I bring it up I get attacked.

      • Ray in VT

        I suppose the difference is that the “regulars” here likely know that I am joking, and that I am merely poking fun at some of the more outrageous statements that are made by dopes like Glenn Beck, whereas you likely actually want some discussion of some of these claims, as though they are actual news stories worthy of the attention of the wider public.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      we still havent adressed the fact bin laden and most of the 911 hijackers were saudies.  this is the first i have heard about the houston shooting.

      • Ray in VT

        I think that I heard about it on Friday.  Probably the only thing that makes it news is that it happened at an airport, although I heard about it because I like to keep an eye on the most over the top claims made by people like Glenn Beck.  In case you haven’t read about the actual event:


        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          i have not and wont follow that link because last time i did i got a virus. its funny because glenn beck does say a lot of over the top things then the other day NPR published that poll about how muslims want sharia law so now i dont know who is more over the top. anyways its seems like the “security” line is the most obvious target for an attack. they will need a security check point before the security checkpoint and maybe one or two more then we will be “safe” right? it seems obvious that you are just as safe with no airport security as you are on the way to the airport

          • Ray in VT

            Sorry to hear about the virus.  The guy’s name was Carnell Moore, and there’s probably enough press about the incident on other sites that you might be more comfortable using.

            I’m not familiar with the poll that you mentioned.  Do you have a link?  Is it this one:


            I found a couple of others, but that one is pretty recent, although I don’t think that it addresses American Muslims and Sharia.  I did see the recent poll that said that about 1/3 of Americans who want and would support a Constitutional Amendment making Christianity the official state religion in the U.S.:


            As for security, I don’t know if he was past airport security.  One would presume that he had not gotten past the checkpoints when he fired his pistol into the ceiling.  He also reportedly had a loaded AR-15 with him, and he was wounded by airport security before he shot himself.  I do not think that it would be obvious that airports are just as safe without security as they are with it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            i said they would be just as safe as everywhere else. you would be exactly as safe on the plane as you were on the bus on the way to the airport.
            either way it shows how stupid airport security is because in one case it demostrates how the security line itself is an obvious soft target  and in the other it would be more evidence of how incompetent and inneffective the security is. so it just makes it clear that its all security theater and is in fact counterproductive to actual security
            sounds like they are on the sharia law fearmongering bandwagon with beck

  • Francine Bee

    I’m wondering if enough time has past that we can celebrate the winners of the Boston Marathon. Is there something distasteful about doing that? I understand that they were celebrated right after winning, but I haven’t heard their names mentioned once since the bombing. I also wonder if the winners had been Bostonians or US Americans if they would have been celebrated more…

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      some how that seems like the least of anyones concers

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Wow. GOP wants simply to damage government. Not make it smaller. More efficient. Just make it not work. Not just for Obama, but for anyone who wants, y’know, actual governance in the future.

    We have an entire party gone full-wingnut. And a press corps which sees the right piss into the punchbowl, then seriously repeats the question “What’s wrong with the caterer?”

    Because our press is riddled with fools buying the Green Lantern theory: What’s missing is Obama’s willpower.

    • MrNutso

      They have turned “advise and consent” backwards.  Now it’s Mr. President, we’ll advise you who we want and you consent to them.

    • nj_v2

      The modern, Republican motto: “Government doesn’t work. Elect us and we’ll prove it.”

    • William

       Obama is not interested in governing but just want to keep on the campaign trail. He blamed Bush for the first four years and his second four he will blame a video, New Media, Republicans, etc..etc…he is not willing to take any ownership.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Your comment has been placed on anonymous hold and will not appear until the full board has voted on it. It will not be voted on until 60% of the board approves to vote a straight up or down vote on it.

      • StilllHere

        Not very presidential, but totally in keeping with his “leadership” style.

      • Fredlinskip

        Apparently Obama is saying:
         “GOP broke  it- They own it.”
        Responsibility. What’s your policy?

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      its a poor carpenter than blames a bunch of tools

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    On Syrian intervention:

    NO NO NO

    There is no cohesive Syrian rebel authority. But all the
    factions have to do is say “we want a democratic sectarian country” and
    we’ll throw all sorts of cash and weapons at them because they want to
    be “like us”.

    When have we EVER successfully used our “the enemy of our enemy is our friend” foreign policy?

    We funded the Mujahideen against the USSR and got the Taliban. Sadaam Hussein was our BFF when he invaded Iran in 1980.

    Fool me once and shame on you, fool me dozens of times and shame on me.

    We NEED to stop thinking we are the world’s police force.
    We NEED to stop thinking WE know what is best for every country on the planet that doesn’t already nearly mirror the US.

    Thank goodness (or the voters, I guess) that McCain didn’t get elected in 2008. He might have been a 2 term president and would have been shipping all sorts of blood and treasure to Syria months ago.

    • MrNutso

      Fool me – you can’t get fooled again.

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      I think we have to admit we are truly, absolutely, no good at interfering in the affairs of other countries! 

      This is unfortunate because most Americans are good and well-intentioned, if not blithe-fully ignorant of the world beyond and ill-served by their government. No, best concentrate on things at home…there’s plenty to do.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        we are good at it if you are a defense contractor

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      but how else will we keep feeding the military industrial complex?

  • nj_v2

    It’s such an important question, i’m surprised i’ve only heard or read it brought up once in the mainstream-ish media, i believe in an interview on Here and Now (WBUR) with a former Boston PD officer.

    He was asking who made the decision (and under what legal authority) to go door to door in Watertown and search properties?

    Does anyone know?

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      i actually was wondering the same thing, i would think its devals call but with all the security in the homeland these days who knows? i think he may not have that athority thats why later they acted like it was not mandatory but voluntary. (even after all these years “homeland security” still sounds a little nazi-ish to me)
      funny how the media forgets to cover this stuff but we know all about a corpse

  • burroak

         Kudos to Jason Collins, human sexuality is as old as what? humans.  How would his sexuality prohibit his athleticism? Finally, a major league sports association has confronted something that has always been existent, just not readily visible.
         And, regarding Bangladesh, fifty years ago more than 90 percent of clothing was domestically made. What happened?       
         Where are the American garment districts that could employ thousands of Americans and revitalize districts of American cities. One is quite challenged when clothes shopping to turn-a-tag and read: Made in the U.S.A.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Where does his ex-fiance go to get her 8 years invested back?

      • BHA_in_Vermont

         The same place as all the other millions of people go when a long term relationship breaks up for whatever reason.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        You’re really fixated on this. I mean, to what seems like an unhealthy degree.

        Any words for the “pray away the gay” quacks or the whole FamblyValues conversion squads?

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Every time I hear Collins put on a pedestal it simply reminds me of the damage done to this poor woman’s life.  I simply feel sorry for her.

          • Ray in VT

            She says that she’s happy for him.  Maybe you should just be too.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I saw her interviewed.  She was incredibly gracious. However, it is clear that her life was torn apart and she is still processing. I still feel sorry for her.  Don’t you?

          • Ray in VT

            A bit, I suppose, but I don’t think any more or less than for any of the other countless people who get their hearts broken.

          • hennorama

            WftC- while first stipulating that I have no personal knowledge of these individuals, given the length of their relationship, one must conclude they both benefited from the relationship in some way.

            Certainly discovering that one’s partner lied by omission or commission throughout is hurtful, but that fact does not discount the positive and mutually beneficial aspects of their relationship.

            Mr. Collins is “put on a pedestal” as you wrote, not for having lied to his partner, but for having told the truth about himself. Given the dual cohorts to which he belongs – male professional athletes, and black Americans, his acknowledgment that he is gay took
            considerable courage.

            This in no way excuses his lying to his partner. But one can certainly understand why he would have lied, both to her and to himself.

            Mr. Collins is merely another human being displaying his inherent humanity, in both its glory and its ignominy.

      • jefe68

        If Collins was straight and they separated would you be posting this BS?

        OK, I know you’re Mr.Perfect and God and Jesus loves you more than the rest of us, but how do you know what she thinks. If you do not personally know her all you are doing is making a lot of biased assumptions.

        • WorriedfortheCountry


          No I don’t know her but I’ve seen her interviewed on this topic. She was incredibly gracious and yet clearly hurt. I just feel sorry for her.

          I never mentioned God or Jesus so it is pretty clear you have some prejudices. Why do you have an issue with showing her compassion?

          • jefe68

            No I don’t have any prejudices, I’m just pointing out how self-righteous you seem to be.

            Relationships can be messy which is something you seemingly do not understand. Compassion?, So this is not about this man being gay?

            Were you this upset about Kobe Bryant’s wife as well?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Of course Kobe was a jerk.

            I am not anti-gay in any way.  The only way this is about being gay is that is the reason he gave for the breakup — 4 years AFTER the breakup.

            I’ve tried not to be critical of Collins because we really don’t know the facts.  However, if he turns out to be like McCreedy, the gay politician who used his wife as a prop for political gain, then Collins deserves our scorn.  Right?  Or, does he deserve ‘protection’ from ridicule just because he is gay?

          • jefe68

            Political gain?
            He plays basketball in the NBA.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Give me a break.  Are you that dense that you can’t see the analogue.

      • harverdphd

         She sues…it’s what we do

        • hennorama

          She sues, he scores?

      • hennorama

        WftC – the same place anyone who discovers that their long-term partner has lied to them goes – the  grocery store, to get some Ben & Jerry’s coping cream, or the liquor store, to get some coping cocktails.

        Dishonesty in relationships knows no boundaries, and is not limited by sexual orientation.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Ben and Jerrys…liquor…now you’ve made me want a strong mudslide. And I don’t even have any sorrows to drown.

  • Alex Sloan

    Did I hear correctly that one of your guests believes the three young men didn’t seem to be intentionally hiding evidence because they didn’t drive the bag and laptop somewhere to discard, but instead threw them away on the spot? Really? Is that the difference? On the spot vs. somewhere else? Come on. What a ridiculous claim. They knowingly threw it away. Period.

    • J__o__h__n

      You don’t have to be smart to knowingly do something. 

      • harverdphd

         as you have proved countless times

  • stephenreal

    Columbine, Newtown, Virginia Tech and Boston all have a lot similarities to the “lone wolf” profile. Why not employ behavioural algorithms or to look for the on line “lone wolf” to at least observe their “snapping point”. this stuff is employed already by the marketeers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      ROFL every time i hear them called “lone wolves” i have to laugh at the oxymoron.  you really want the govt using behaviorial algorithms ( i am sure they already are anyways) on the citizens? bring on the precogs and the precrime unit!(if you have never seen “minority report” and it seems you have not, you should watch it)

      • stephenreal

        you ok dude?

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          you can see that “lone wolves” is an oxymoron right? have you ever “seen minority report”?

  • NOLALiz

    I had hoped for a nuanced discussion about this topic. We WANT our justice system to function for this kid. We want to wave hands in the face of people who hate the USA by showing that we are dealing with threats without losing ourselves to retribution.
    But where is the nuance to this discussion? Do we escape self examination and throw the blame completely on others? Why do we have the Southern Poverty Law Center tracking so many hate groups? Why do swaths of populations hate us? Could we be contributing to this with drones? with stealth actions in other countries? with  assassinations? supporting behaviors in corporations that undermine and destroy legitimate movements? underhanded capital and banking practices? land gabbing by mining interests? agricultural practices by US based companies?We need to understand how our actions paint a picture to other nations. By applying fair justice to the remaining brother we can shut up some of the hatred. But we need to behave on the correct side on other issues, too. Talk about this aspect!

  • Michiganjf

    Brain dead Republican warmongers like McCain insist on pushing the same stupidities over and over, despite all proof to the contrary!!!

      U.S. involvement (especially military involvement)  HAS YET to derail any kind of “radicalization” in any country whatever, where radicalization seems to be an impending threat… instead, again and again, U.S. involvement ALWAYS exacerbates radicalization in countries prone to radicalization.


    U.S.  military involvement is always more a problem than a help!!!

    • JGC

      *With the exception of WWII.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        While I agree for the most part with your disclaimer, the way we “wrapped it up” was extremely problematic.


      • Michiganjf

        Yes… that’s why I qualified with ” in any country whatever, where radicalization seems to be an impending threat…”

        Marshall Plan countries were generally NOT threatened by radicalization.

        • Ray in VT

          Not religious radicalization, but there was a significant amount of concern in the Truman administration that the poor conditions in post-war Western Europe were providing inroads for the expansion of local communist movements, and there were fears that some of these countries could fall into the Soviet orbit if recovery there lagged.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        that got us into the cold war and its related conflicts

    • harverdphd

       Does mad mark the code weenie warrier know how partisan you are?

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      have you seen the john Mccain “locked up abroad” episode? i would suggest watching it to anyone

  • Payhole Everdouche

    Please discuss the assassination of the lawyer(s) investigating the assassination of Benazir bhutto in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Please consider doing a show on the lack of law enforcement in Pakistan, and how the legal community is under assault.

  • skeptic150

    All this political talk about closing it – yes, perhaps they will close Guantanamo – but they will likely ship all the prisoners to other overseas sites.

    • harverdphd

       No need…security rounds

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF


    Dina gets it half-correct: “The Republicans in Congress are the problem.”

    Omitted from her analysis: Every time President Obama wants to do something, “60 is the new 51″.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    “A train wreck is becoming a kind of mantra”, Tom.

    No kidding. From the right-wing media machine’s lips to Chuck Todd’s ears!

    Tom, will our press corps learn anything so the next time the press isn’t the GOP’s bitch?

    This is in serious need of media analysis and for the press corps to learn from it for the next time.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      “…The press isn’t the GOP’s bitch?”

      You are a truly talented comedian.

      • StilllHere

        The best ones have no clue how good they are.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        The right has been swimming in the shat for so long it doesn’t even know it smells. If you want to be a moderate, the first thing to learn is that “conservative” is a word that used to have meaning but doesn’t any longer. If you want to be a right winger, there’s nothing anyone can teach you.

        • TomK_in_Boston

          Sad but true. They have these beliefs that are like religious faith and they endlessly repeat slogans that haven’t changed since 1980. No number of Judith Millers swallowing and repeating the lies about saddams WMD or pundit genuflections to the holy goal of deficit reduction and “entitlement reform” will challenge their faith in the “liberal media”.

          You’re right, “conservative” means nothing now except for maybe “far right wingnut”, and liberals are extinct. I have great respect for real conservatives like Eisenhower. He would have no home in the current GoP.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Can you really lack in understanding of where your political philosophy came from?  I repeatedly see those that are against the Tea Party Movement working tirelessly for what they claim to oppose.  What is your goal?  Do you imagine a better future is attainable if only we elect more Democrats?  What about all the rampant corruption in our “Bluest of Blue” Commonwealth?  

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          According to Sigmund Freud, “projection” is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one “projects” undesirable or unacceptable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else.  “Emotions or excitations which the ego tries to ward off are ‘split out’ and then felt as being outside the ego… perceived in another person”, wrote Otto Fenichel.  It is a common process, something normal people do.  The related defense of projective differs from projection in that the impulse or desire projected onto an external object does not appear alien and distant from the ego because the self maintains the connection with that which is projected. 


      • Tyranipocrit

        the press is the GOP

    • TomK_in_Boston

      The corporate media are a huge problem. They cheerled the invasion of iraq and did no significant investigation of the WMD lies and scary stories. I haven’t heard one skeptical word about the Syria sarin scary stories, just infinite repetition of “The red line was crossed!” What are they running, a high school paper? 

      They all accept the beltway wisdom that the deficit is a big problem and they are very respectful of those who plan cuts to screw the middle class in response. They mindlessly use class warfare “framing” like calling cuts to core American retirement programs “entitlement reform”. They call far right conservadems “moderate democrats”, spreading the nonsense that anyone to the right of “socialist” BHO, who is himself a righty conservadem wearing liberal camo, must be closer to the center. There is hardly ever a liberal on the sunday talk shows, just endless reappearance of ryan, mccain, graham, etc. To hell with them.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        “They all accept the beltway wisdom that the deficit is a big problem”

        Did you hear the one about the Treasury payment on the deficit? Why are we strangling ourselves again?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Patrick-Dwyer-Jr/100002088204784 James Patrick Dwyer Jr.

    In reference to military acti0n of any kind in Syria, get congress to authorize it, impose a tax on the wealthy to pay for it, as has been the case since George Washington, and the republicans wil shut upl

    • TomK_in_Boston

      ….and a draft so their kids will have to go fight it instead of going to HBS and learning how to scam the rest of us.

      “When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it.”— D. D. Eisenhower, a great American republican president who would be considered a liberal socialist by today’s TeaOP.

  • StilllHere

    The only one left to blame is the teleprompter … #worstpresidentever

  • Zingbaby

    “self radicalized” a red herring?  …look at all of the discontent being turned into violence in this country.  From Sandy Hook, to the movie-theater shooting, to the guy that shot the firefighters, etc etc… there is a continuous stream of these incidents.   Why focus on one ‘method’, one means, one medium, a single chosen form of poison, for violence instead of the reasons for discontent and emotional/mental breaks/cracks that lead to the intent of violence?

    These two brothers also had large arsenals of guns allegedly.  How did someone on a ‘watch-list’ buy guns?   The real problem is much bigger than “self radicalized” doctrine.   The ‘American Dream’ is a far flung fantasy for most, the wage disparity only gets worse and worse, the American food industry with help from their overseers (the government) is legally and willfully poising us for profit, we have a serious educational problem, and the only lesson we’ve learned from Sandy Hook was to go out and buy RECORD numbers of guns.

    ‘Self radicalized’ or religious extremism is just a method.  These people were desperate losers who sought out a means to hurt people …had they only used AR-15 guns (and killed potentially many more people) instead of pressure-bombs would we still care about self-radicalization or still call them terrorists?

    • TyroneJ

      “These two brothers also had large arsenals of guns allegedly.  How did someone on a ‘watch-list’ buy guns?”

      What planet do you live on? Guns had little to do with the marathon bombers. They had one gun, a 9mm pistol. Of the “over 200 rounds fired” that Duval Patrick mentioned in the Watertown shoot out, 180+ of them came from the cops guns. That is why when Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was captured in the boat, he was unarmed and had been unarmed since the evening before.

      To quote Daniel Patrick Moynihan, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

      • Zingbaby

         This planet: “Among the weapons officials have said were in the possession of Tamerlan
        and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were not only several bombs, but handguns, an M-4
        carbine rifle and more than 250 rounds of ammunition.”

        Though I do agree guns had little to do with this bombing, but apparently you missed the entire point anyway.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           What is your source?  This 4/24 ABC report claims they only had one gun:  the 9mm handgun.

          The NYTtimes had an earlier report of a M-4 ‘style’ gun found on the boat and a bb gun but this ABC report is a few days later.


          • Zingbaby

            Here is one: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/22/boston-marathon-bombing-tamerlan-dzhokhar-tsarnaev_n_3134938.html

            It was initially announced by the FBI.  But don’t get me wrong, the shootouts that played out on the streets of Boston were clearly one-sided to say the least.  The FBI found these weapons in the older brother’s home, not on his person (during the shootout).

            But yet again – you are entirely missing the point here.  God, you mention the word ‘gun’ and people go into a blind, mouth-foaming frenzy to defend the poor and defenseless ‘guns’.  The point I was making, that was entirely lost on you, was that focusing on ‘self radicalization’ is only bringing us further off track from the real, bigger issues.

    • hennorama

      Zingbaby – thank you for using the word “allegedly”, since Federal law enforcement agencies have not confirmed a full tally of the brothers’ arsenal.

      Jumping the gun or shooting first and asking questions later, prior to the final report, is inadvisable (puns intended).

      • Zingbaby

         I agree on all points… and the lessor point I was trying to make was: he did have a gun(s).  How did someone on the FBI watch-list buy a gun? 

        Of course all of you gun lovers zeroed right in only on the mention of ‘gun’ and missed the rest of my point, but I guess I’ve come to expect that now.

        • hennorama

          Zingbaby – TY for your response. I respect your views.

          One point – you wrote “all of you gun lovers”, presumably placing me into that categorical description. This would be an inaccurate assumption, as I neither love nor hate firearms.

          I did not miss your point. I merely had nothing to say on the topic, as your question remains an open one, as do the questions about the number and descriptions of the firearm(s) the Boston Bombers possessed.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          he bought it the same way everyone will once they are banned, on the black market. did you think they bought them legally?

          • Zingbaby

             Where is your source? …it is actually EASIER to buy these guns legally with loopholes than it is trying to find them on the ‘black market’.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            the boston chief of police laughed when he was asked if they bought their guns legally.  are you from massachusetts? go and buy a  gun legally and then tell me how easy it is in MA. in the mean time , because that may take at least 6 months in many places in MA even though the law says they have 40 days to issue a license and of course the waiting list to get into a safety class or an appointment to turn in your application is several months out, tell me exactly what “loopholes”  we have in MA and how you think they should be fixed.
            black markets are created whenever there is a demand that the legitimate market does not meet. the more you restrict the legitimate market the the more you expand the black market. if you want to get a gun in less than 6 months just grab a few hundred bucks and go down to the projects

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      i wonder how that adam lanza got radicalized

      • Zingbaby

        I wonder what your point is here genius? …I’m guessing like the other GunTards you just saw the word ‘gun’ and gleaned that I’m not a fan and went into an idiot gun-protection-frenzy without reading anything.

        Yes Exactly – how does “Radicalized” have anything to do with Adam Lanza …that was EXACTLY my point by the way.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          guntard? did i say anything about guns? my point was that being “radicalized” and being whatever adam lanza is have similar outcomes but get different reactions. i am sorry i was too subtle for you i’ll keep it simple for you next time

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Nice summary of one source of the unemployment crisis. I am so sick of hearing this righty conservadem called a liberal:


    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      We were promised that the great Stimulus would create jobs.  After 4 Recovery Summers it still hasn’t.  When will the administrations apologist admit that the Stimulus Billions was wasted?  When will the “reality community” give up on their Keynesian claptrap?


      • hennorama

        RWB – “the great Stimulus” (The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) ) was signed into law on February 17, 2009.

        According to Federal Reserve Economic Data (FRED), using data from the BLS, at the end of February 2009, there were 141,644,000 employed persons in the Civilian labor force. This included Nonfarm employment of

        FRED data for April 2013 indicates 143,579,000 employed persons in the Civilian labor force. This included Nonfarm employment of 135,474,000.

        This indicates an increase of 1,935,000 in the total number of employed persons, and an increase 2,538,000 in nonfarm employment.

        (FYI – “nonfarm employment” excludes not just farmers and their employees, but also those employed in general government, private households, and many nonprofit organizations).

        These employment gains are far too small, but they are gains nonetheless. These gains clearly conflict with your statements “We were promised that the great Stimulus would create jobs. After 4 Recovery Summers
        it still hasn’t.”

        Remember too that generally speaking, changes in employment lag behind economic changes, both positive and negative. Employers can be reluctant to let workers go, thinking a downturn might be short-lived, and can be reluctant to hire, thinking an upturn might be short-lived.



        • TomK_in_Boston

          Good try, hennorama, but you’re up against ideology. They ignore that the economy was in free fall losing hundreds of thousands of jobs/month and that most economists think that the ARRA had a big role in stabilizing the system. They are interested in pursuing the anti-gvt agenda, not in observing the facts.

          • hennorama

            TomK_in_Boston – TY for your response. I appreciate and respect your views.

            I seldom worry about ideology or ignorance and feel that words do indeed have the power to change minds. I recognize that such sentiment may be quixotic but plunge ahead regardless, undaunted.

            Ignorance is not bliss, despite the contrary idiom. Neither is ideology immutable.

            Changing minds is of course at times a truly tiresome task.

            However, twice in the last few days, RWB has responded to one of my posts by writing “I don’t care who ya are, that’s funny right there.” This is despite the fact that RWB recently wrote “Humor is lost to me currently”.

            This is like a Venice treacle to the virtual toxin of the betimes truly tiresome task.

            Thank you again for your kind words.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I enjoy our interactions because you are truly respectful of others and have a charming wit.  Sadly there are too many times that humor is lost on me.  Currant-ly I try to include more of it in my daily diet.

          • Gregg Smith

            I don’t think it’s respectful to call names, condescend and police the site like it’s her own. I don’t think she’s sincere when she says “I respect your views” (wish I had a nickel for every time she’s told me that) and then give a lecture why they are idiotic. I don’t think it’s respectful of common sense to posit the theories she does or  respectful of America to defend the Obama disaster at every turn no matter what.

            But that’s just me.

          • hennorama

            poor Gregg Smith … woe, woe is you.

            dispute your remarks but I’m afraid you may expire as a result.

            will you survive, dear sir?

            allow me to use some colloquialisms you may know:

            dog won’t hunt. I reckon you oughta figure out what’s what, but
            don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya while you’re
            fixin’ to do that.

          • Gregg Smith

            With all due respect, I just don’t think you’re respectful, that’s all. Thanks for bolstering my case. RWB disagrees and I respect him and think he is respectful. That’s cool, it’s all a big circle. Fascinating! I actually love it, don’t feel bad for me.

          • hennorama

            RWB – “Currant-ly” – very good. See, there’s hope for you yet. ;-)

            Thank you for your very kind words.

            However, others will no doubt disagree with your characterizations.

            Thanks again, and keep the funny remarks coming.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

             Please site your experts and their exact statements in support of the Stimulus? 

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Thank you for your response. But I must not have been clear in my post. I contend that The Stimulus created no jobs. Please revise your answer to show the jobs created by Stimulus spending alone. If you have time please add why today’s Stimulus spending will expand future earnings in excess of the cost of the spending and the cost of borrowing the funds. If you wish to be even more thorough please explain how the decrease in labor force participation would be greater if not for The Stimulus.

          • hennorama

            RWB – TY for your response. I appreciate, understand, and respect your views.

            As to your statement and challenge “I contend that The Stimulus created no jobs. Please revise your answer to show the jobs created by Stimulus spending alone.” – practically speaking, attributing job creation or loss to any single factor is nearly impossible. One can make estimates, but these estimates will generally have very wide ranges, due to the uncertainties involved in measuring and attributing employment changes to a single factor.

            In the same way, you would be completely unable to prove your contention, practically speaking.

            The CBO provides regular reports on its estimate of the number of jobs created by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. But this is only an estimate, and not proof. The CBO uses the term Full-Time-Equivalent Employment Years (FTEEY), which are defined as “A year of full-time-equivalent employment years is 40 hours of employment per week for one year.”

            Their FTEEY estimates from their February 2013 report are as follows :

            Calendar Year Averages (Low Estimate to High Estimates, in millions)

            2009 0.3 to 1.3
            2010 0.9 to 4.7
            2011 0.6 to 3.6
            2012 0.2 to 1.3
            2013 0.1 to 0.5

            See:http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43945-ARRA.pdf (Table 1)

            Here’s what the CBO says about estimating the ARRA’s effects on employment:

            “Estimating the law’s overall effects on employment requires a more comprehensive analysis than can be
            achieved by using the recipients’ reports. Therefore, looking at recorded spending to date along with estimates of the other effects of ARRA on spending and revenues, CBO has estimated the law’s impact on employment and economic output using evidence about the effects of previous similar policies and drawing on various mathematical models that represent the workings of the economy.”

            And these people do this stuff FULL TIME. Clearly, it isn’t easy.

            As to the remainder of your questions, I defer to the difficulty in attributing any direct cause/effect relationships. There certainly is clear correlation between the passage and implementation of the ARRA and GDP growth and employment growth, as my prior post showed, but proving this stuff is, as I said at the start, nearly impossible.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Thank you for your response but it begs further questions.
            1) If you believe that it is nearly impossible to to determine the effects of the Stimulus on employment then how can you assume so strongly that I am wrong? Would not the appropiate response have been along the lines of, “We can’t be certain of…”

            2) Why didn’t you just quote the number from Recovery.gov, or does 87,727 seem to low a number of jobs to justify $790 billion in spending? (That is more than $9 million per job.)


          • hennorama

            RWB – TY for your response. I understand and respect your views.

            I don’t assume that you are wrong. What I wrote was “In the same way, you would be completely unable to prove your contention, practically speaking,”

            This is just a recognition of the difficulties involved in showing cause and effect. Correlation is easier to show, but correlation does not imply causation.

            In the same way, were one to contend something like “Mitt Romney losing the November 2012 Presidential election was good for the US stock markets”, one could point to the fact that the markets are higher now than they were on Election Day 2012. This correlation proves nothing, and is only one piece of factual evidence. The stock markets move for a variety of reasons, as you know, so trying to attribute their movement to any single event is very, very difficult. Heck, we still don’t know what caused the “Flash Crash” that happened three years ago today.


            The same is true with US employment. It is influenced by an enormous number of factors, and singling out one factor as the exact cause for the movements of labor is nearly impossible. On top of this, you would have the difficult task of “proving a negative”. Even one “job created” disproves your contention.

            As to the 87,727 jobs number on recovery.gov, this figure is only for January 1 – March 31, 2013. For the period of February 17 – September 30, 2009, the same source shows a figure of 633,189. These figures are very narrowly focused on “Prime recipients” and not the US economy as a whole. Here’s how this figure is calculated:

            “Prime recipients of Recovery awards are required to estimate and report the number of jobs funded by the Recovery Act. Recipients calculate jobs as follows:

            “If three employees work on a Recovery-funded project for a total of 1,300 hours in a given quarter, and the recipient defines a full-time job as 520 hours (40 hours per week, for 13 weeks), the recipient would report 2.5 jobs (1,300/520 = 2.5).”

            The CBO discusses the fact of the narrow focus of the recovery.gov jobs numbers in the first sentence I quoted, when they refer to “the recipients’ reports”:

            “Estimating the law’s overall effects on employment requires a more comprehensive analysis than can be
            achieved by using the recipients’ reports.”

            This is the direct link to the latest recovery.gov jobs reports figures:


            One can [Choose a quarter and click "Go."] to change the reporting period.

            Thanks again for your response.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Thank you for your reply, but you did not directly respond to either of my questions. One would think that you would have a ready answer to both given how much you have posted on this topic.

          • hennorama

            RWB – TYFYR. I have what is known in legal terms as an “asked and answered” objection, however.

            You asked:

            “If you believe that it is nearly impossible to to determine the effects of the Stimulus on employment then how can you assume so strongly that I am wrong?”

            I answered:

            [I don't assume that you are wrong. What I wrote was “In the same way, you would be completely unable to prove your contention, practically speaking,]
            You asked:

            “Would not the appropiate [sic] response have been along the lines of, “We can’t be certain of…”

            I did not directly reply to this question, as it would have been repeating from my prior post. My prior post, which showed the CBO estimates, said:

            “The CBO provides regular reports on its estimate of the number of jobs created by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. But this is only an estimate, and not proof.”

            My words “But this is only an estimate, and not proof” indicated uncertainty.
            You also asked:

            “Why didn’t you just quote the number from Recovery.gov, or does 87,727 seem to [sic] low a number of jobs to justify $790 billion in spending?”

            I answered:

            [As to the 87,727 jobs number on recovery.gov, this figure is only for January 1 - March 31, 2013. For the period of February 17 - September 30, 2009, the same source shows a figure of 633,189. These figures are very narrowly focused on “Prime recipients” and not the US economy as a whole. Here's how this figure is calculated:

            [“Prime recipients of Recovery awards are required to estimate and report the number of jobs funded by the Recovery Act. Recipients calculate jobs as follows:

            [“If three employees work on a Recovery-funded project for a total of 1,300 hours in a given quarter, and the recipient defines a full-time job as 520 hours (40 hours per week, for 13 weeks), the recipient would report 2.5 jobs (1,300/520 = 2.5).”

            [The CBO discusses the fact of the narrow focus of the recovery.gov jobs numbers in the first sentence I quoted, when they refer to “the recipients’ reports”:

            [“Estimating the law’s overall effects on employment requires a more comprehensive analysis than can be achieved by using the recipients’ reports.”]

            Please note the sentence above, from the CBO. This is why using the recovery.gov jobs numbers alone is not workable. Trying to determine the overall effects of the ARRA “requires a more comprehensive analysis than can be achieved by using the recipients’ reports [which are detailed on recovery.gov].”

            TY again for your response.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            The important statements in your reply are:
            A) “I did not directly reply to this question, as it would have been repeating from my prior post.”
            B) ” Trying to determine the overall effects of the ARRA “requires a more comprehensive analysis than can be achieved by using the recipients’ reports [which are detailed on recovery.gov].”

            Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit. And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,.

            You insistently neither agree nor disagree with my original statement. But you do so respectfully and agreeably. Thank you.

          • hennorama

            RWB – I do disagree with your original contention, but can only offer contrary evidence rather than definitive proof.

            That’s my overarching point – proving your contention “I contend that The Stimulus created no jobs”, is nearly impossible, especially in light of the fact that even one job is all that’s needed to disprove it.

            Regardless, thank you for your kind words.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        To your last question: If it’s claptrap, why are the right so dedicated to rewriting history?

        AEI Ideas (sic) links are all one needs to know.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Your humor is getting a little stale. You may want to try some new material repetition is crushing your act. You don’t want to be a one trick pony like Gallagher. You are more talented than that.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            It’s not humor. It’s just the mere observation that the right is dedicated to destroying the successes which made generations of Americans into middle-class citizens (and also into Democrats).

            The AEI’s agenda is clear. I hope you’re wealthy enough to be something besides their fool.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            There you go agin. It may not be wit, but your comments always bring a smile to my face.

  • Bruce94

    I read the week in the news today oh, boy…
    About a hapless GOP who couldn’t make the grade
    And though the news was rather sad
    Well, I just had to laugh as I saw Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) explain
    Why she opposed expanded background checks for partisan gain
    Pandering to anti-government paranoia and trying to maintain
    How this would surely lead to a federal gun registry
    And how we all must live free.

    Then I saw a film of PatToomey (R-PA) clarifying that the reason
    For his Party’s opposition to gun safety legislation was evident:
    They just didn’t want “to be seen helping the President.”

    Woke up, fell out of bed
    Couldn’t get the spectacle of Susan Collins (R-ME) out of my head
    Crowing how exempting air traffic controllers from sequester cuts
    Was a model of bipartisan cooperation and legislative guts
    Omitting the truth that it was the GOP that brought us sequester
    And politicians like Collins who caved to the Tea Party bluster.

    Went into a dream as I heard the President say
    It’s time to shut down Gitmo and embrace a new day
    Except for GOP obstructionism and demagoguery
    By now we could have closed this ugly chapter in our history. 

    • harverdphd

       Sucks to be you

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      i dont agree with you but i like your style

    • DrewInGeorgia

       goo goo g’joob

  • William

     It appears the existing law was not enforced so wham, big explosion at the plant. Nothing new.

    • hennorama

      William – riiiiight. 

      So by extension, the explosion in West, Texas was the
      fault of those who did not enforce the law, rather than the plant operators who may have broken the law. (Keep in mind that there has been no final report as to the cause(s) of the fire and explosion, nor has there been any determination of fault, if any).


      Obviously, it’s because, as you so helpfully point out despite the fact that a determination of cause has not been made, “the existing law was not enforced”.

      In the spirit of your remarks, the next time a crime occurs in your locale, call your local police department and let them know it’s all their fault for not enforcing existing law. And do the same the next time you break the speed limit.

      For an editorial opinion,

      And:http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/24/5369617/business-in-texas.html (proving the political cartoon is alive and well)

      • William

         The first reports indicated the company violated safety rules by keeping too much dangerous chemicals around…people get stupid and you can’t fix stupid.
         During “gun hearings” a police chief testified they don’t have time to enforce current gun laws. This has been brought up in the past. The current gun laws are not being enforced.
         If we want to prevent another mass shooting then pass a law that will help to that and don’t just pander to people that want “do something” rather than “do something that will work”.

        • hennorama

          William – TY for your response. I respect your views.

          According to a May 2nd article on dallasnews.com, the West Fertilizer Co. “told state officials in February it stored more than 540,000 pounds of the chemical. With spring planting season underway, however, lots of fertilizer was going in and out. The plant’s owner didn’t have a firm count for how much was there at the time, [Assistant State Fire Marshal Kelly] Kistner said. Investigators are searching records to determine that.”

          “Authorities reiterated Thursday that they hope to finish their on-site investigation by May 10.”

          “Until then, Kistner said that endless speculation could do more harm than good.”


          (BTW – dallasnews.com is the website of the The Dallas Morning News. Their extensive coverage of the West explosion can be accessed here:http://www.dallasnews.com/news/west-explosion/)

          Whether any of the activities at the West Fertilizer plant “violated safety rules” is unclear. It’s also unclear as to
          what agency or agencies, if any, had real oversight authority. They all seem to be bravely stepping forward to not claim responsibility.

          Remember too that regulation of all types is fairly minimal in Texas. That’s one significant reason that multifamily housing, two schools, and a nursing home were in such close proximity to the plant. The plant was not within the city limits of West, but was instead in McLennan County, where the underlying Texas zoning laws are much weaker.

          A recent editorial, also from dallasnews.com, said this:

          “A little-known section of Texas law allows agencies to withhold information they regard as confidential concerning the handling, storage and transportation of extremely hazardous chemicals. Not only can state agencies claim the right under the law to ensure that the public remains in the dark, they can assert the right to not even explain why they won’t release data.”


          Jumping to the topics of “gun hearings” and “mass shootings” is a stretch, and as those topics are unrelated to the West Fertilizer Co. explosion, I will leave that portion of your remarks without comment.

          Thanks again for your reply.

  • Potter

    We are killing and have killed Muslims, innocent ones. That can be a motivation, a strong one. Why is this dismissed?

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      no,no that cant be it. it has to be that they are jelous of our democracy.

    • OnPointComments

      Guess what over 90% of the persons included on the “FBI Most Wanted Terrorists” list have in common:

      Daniel Andreas San Diego
      Joanne Deborah Chesimard
      Abd Al Aziz Awda
      Hakimullah Mehsud
      Ibrahim Salih Mohammed Al-Yacoub
      Faouzi Mohamad Ayoub
      Omar Shafik Hammami
      Jehad Serwan Mostafa
      Adam Yahiye Gadahn
      Abdul Rahman Yasin
      Ali Atwa
      Jaber A. Elbaneh
      Husayn Muhammad Al-Umari
      Adnan G. El Shukrijumah
      Muhammad Ahmed Al-Munawar
      Jamel Ahmed Mohammed Ali Al-Badawi
      Ayman Al-Zawahiri
      Ali Saed Bin Ali El-Hoorie
      Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah
      Isnilon Totoni Hapilon
      Ramadan Abdullah Mohammad Shallah
      Hasan Izz-Al-Din
      Mohammed Ali Hamadei
      Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser
      Ahmad Ibrahim Al-Mughassil
      Saif Al-Adel
      Anas Al-Liby
      Wadoud Muhammad Hafiz Al-Turki
      Muhammad Abdullah Khalil Hussain Ar-Rahayyal
      Jamal Saeed Abdul Rahim
      Zulkifli Abdhir
      Raddulan Sahiron

      • hennorama

        They have the letter “a” in their name?

        • OnPointComments

          hmmm….the letter “A”….rAdicAl IslAm…you may be right.
          It’s odd (though not unexpected) that some commentators, whose most fervent wish was that the bombing had been perpetrated by right-wing Tea Partiers, would have easily lumped together all members of the Tea Party if their wish had been granted, yet those same commentators are unable to utter the words “radical Islam” now.

          • Dana85

            Even if they could bring themselves to utter  the words “radical Islam” they’d still be obfuscating. The term “radical” is used in order to suggest there exists a benign moderate Islam. There does not. There exists one Islam and there are Muslims who follow its teachings closely and those who do not:

            Koran 4:89: “Take not
            unbelievers as friends until they fly in Allah’s way; but if they turn back,
            seize them, kill them wherever you find them”

            Koran 8:12: “Instill terror in
            the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads and cut off fingers and

            Koran 9:5: “Fight and kill the

          • OnPointComments

            I agree.  An interesting article:

            “The Art of Death – The moderate Muslim majority is a myth.”

          • Dana85

            I’ll see your Andrew C. McCarthy and raise you a Sam Harris:


      • Dana85

         They are cousins of timothy mcveigh?

        • OnPointComments

          The FBI terrorist list proves the saying “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslim.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            reminds me of bush saying not all poor people are killers

    • asuka langley sohryu

       Well, yes. And this isn’t a recent thing.
      Growing up in Australia in the Cold War I never got the impression from my elders that America was the “good guy” in the international contest. While obviously for many America was a nicer place to live than the USSR, the evidence of Indochina, Latin America and the Middle East made it clear that each side in the Cold War was equally cruel and abhorrent. No difference.
      I hope China does a better job of global hegemony than us. Could it do a worse one?

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy


  • Dana85

    “Radicalized” and most recently the new and improved “Self Radicalized” are the new slogans now mindlessly being parroted in the pundit echo chamber. Delivering an even more potent apologist and accomodationist punch whitewashing religion than that older but still popular stalwart “Islamophobia”.

    Were the Boston bombers “radicalized” or did they simply take the message of their “holy” book to heart? What’s the difference?

    Koran 4:89: “Take not unbelievers as friends until they fly in Allah’s way; but if they turn back,seize them, kill them wherever you find them”

    Koran 8:12: “Instill terror in the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads and cut off fingers and toes.”

    Koran 9:5: “Fight and kill the disbelievers”

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      or were they just a couple of dumb angry f***s?
      “But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on
      thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”

    • asuka langley sohryu

      And most of the Pentateuch is a triumphalist account of ethnic cleansing. So what?
      Are most Muslims crazy? No.

      • Dana85

        Your non sequitur and strawman are irrelevant to my observation that political correctness and the tradition to exempt religious beliefs from criticism has the mainstream media censuring itself from even hinting at a possible link between Islamic teachings and the violence perpetrated by Muslims.

        Is the causation 100%?  No, not even when they loudly proclaim Allahu Akbar while videotaping themselves before blowing themselves up. But it is certainly not negligible or irrelevant as the constant, as again on this show, non-mention of the similarity between the violence urged by the Koran and the violence perpetrated by Muslims is meant to have you believe.

        • asuka langley sohryu

          But what are you saying?
          That some teachers have appealed to the Koran to support horrible agendas (as have  nasty Christians and Jews done with their own scriptures)? Well, obviously.
          That there is something essentially violent about Islam (which is presumably different from other religions)? That’s not borne out by the long history of Islam compared with other religions.
          And what’s more, YES, I think it’s a sort of talk that should not be encouraged by any responsible person facilitating a public discussion.
          Call it “political correctness” or its synonym “civility” — nasty talk creates violence, and it’s easy to imagine a hysterical response to the bombings in Boston creating more suffering for innocents than that caused by the original crimes. I am grateful for John’s efforts to keep his discussions “civil” (a.k.a. “politically correct”), whether that means screening out Islamophobes, or calling out anti-Semites on air.

  • Gregg Smith

    The dude is shameless. Absolutely beyond the pale. Obama goes to Mexico and essentially blames Mexican violence on American guns! He walked the guns across the boarder! “Fast and Furious” is out of the public’s mind. He thinks he can get way with this and he might. The apologist for Obama are in overdrive. Carney just gave his version of Hillary’s “at this point what difference does it make” dereliction regarding Benghazi, same thing. Kick the can and wait it out, memories fade, outrage abates. Repeat the lie. You people swallowing this BS are complicit. This is awful.

    • hennorama

      Gregg Smith – Correction:

      “The dude” is not “shameless”;

      “The dude” abides.

      • Gregg Smith

        He’s a monumental embarrassment.

        • hennorama

          Must … restrain … fingers …

          Dang fingers get the better of me at times. Blame Canada.

          • Gregg Smith

            Get me outta your head, you’re embarrassing yourself.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – using the Gregg Smith Response-O-Matic again so soon?

            “Get me outta your head”, writes the man who has replied to my posts 47 times in the last two weeks alone.

            I believe the appropriate GS R-O-M selection here is

            [Alrighty then]

          • Gregg Smith

            IMHO Barack Obama is a monumental embarrassment, I’ve laid out the reasons.

            Always on topic and never personal, that’s what debate is about. When people start stalking me just to say something irrelevant, personal and gratuitous, it tells me I’m in their head. Your above comment is just that… and the one before that. The fact that you count my comments is further proof.

          • hennorama

            Gregg “I don’t care what you [hennorama] think” Smith – Thank you for your reply. The part that begins “When people start stalking me … “ is hilarious in the extreme.

            Allow me to review:

            Month and months ago, I decided to stop responding to your posts, a decision I was able to hold to for about three month, with two monthly exceptions.

            During that time, and despite the fact that I repeatedly and pointedly told you that any comments you make to me were unwelcome, and my having pointed out how easy it is to make comments that are not direct responses to my posts, you replied directly to me an average of once per day.

            One could therefore classify your actions during this three-month period as “stalking me” and that I was “in your head”. Otherwise, why would you feel the need to respond to my posts DIRECTLY rather than indirectly? And this was all despite the fact that I did not reply to your dozens and dozens and dozens of direct comments (with two exceptions as noted above).

            I definitely have been going at your posts hammer and tongs since I reversed my decision. I believe the relevant idiom here is “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen”.

            You apparently feel that some of my comments are “irrelevant, personal and gratuitous”. Certainly you can consider direct replies to your posts as personal, obviously.

            You also have repeatedly claimed that I called you names. I have not. I have come very close, and it may feel as if I have, as exemplified by these remarks:

            “insert obvious joke about Gregg Smith’s personal expertise in the area of ‘monumental embarrassment’ here”

            “your words smack of ‘do as I say, not as I do’ and seem inconsistent with each other”

            “At best this is inconsistency; at worst it’s hypocrisy.”

            “you’re a mind reader now?”

            “one realizes that your demonstrably pre-defensive nature sees all comments from certain posters (waving my hand here) as attacks and therefore does not allow satire, sarcasm and other attempts at humor to penetrate”

            “the Gregg Smith Response-O-Matic”

            “Gregg “I’m not reading all that” Smith – one can only suppose ignorance is blissful for you, sir”. I think that one hit a nerve, prompting you to repeatedly invoke the term “name-calling”. The odd thing is you repeatedly write “I’m not reading all that”, which is a clear demonstration of how you ignore things, then seem insulted when this is pointed out.

            “Much like its namesake, this Gregg Smith Response-O-Matic thingy is slooooow …” OK, that one might fairly be characterized as name calling, although you have in the past characterized yourself as one of “the slows”, albeit sarcastically.

            “Gregg Smith – [you wrote] ‘I don’t know what the dictionary says.’ Speaks volumes. Willful ignorance in the face of information and knowledge. How sad”.

            “Holy Shiite! You wrote something that is accurate!”

            “thank you for your brave non-responsive non-answer to 15 specific questions. Your ‘openness’ and ‘honesty’ are notable.”

            “Assuming your post wasn’t simply an April Fool’s joke, of course.”

            “Gregg ‘I never lie- April Fool!’ Smith”

            “One can only suppose Smith has been around horse manure so long he can no longer recognize it when it flows from his keyboard.”

            “A reader’s ignorance of or failure to recognize qualification in a post is not the fault of the writer.”

            I’m sure you have your own favorites. These are personal, yes, but name-calling? Not so much.


            You wrote as if you are somehow innocent.

            Allow me to remind you of your libelous and profane “Comment removed”, as well as your repeatedly calling me a liar in a non-profane manner.

            As to relevance and gratuitousness – my posts challenging you generally quote your own words back to you. I generally point out the inconsistencies of your remarks. All of which are relevant and non-gratuitous.

            As to my having counted various numbers of your comments – it’s simple and easy to do, and adds credence not only to my point of the oddity and inconsistency of your “advice” to “Get me outta your head”, but also the oddity and inconsistency of your repeatedly saying “I don’t care what you think” and then not only reading my posts, but responding to them directly.

            As I said, your reply strikes me as hilarious in the extreme. Thank you for the comic relief.

          • Gregg Smith

            TLDR but I got the gist. 

            Look, I don’t care about all that. If you have a problem with something I write, fine, debate it. That’s what I do with you and everybody else.

            If you want to seek me out and reply just to insult me (you do and you’re not alone) then you are just outing yourself as nasty. Don’t expect me to always let it slide. 

            I don’t do that sort of thing.

    • StilllHere

      I’m sure you’ll hear from some of the chief apologists.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      i noticed the president said we need to work together to solve out problems then he did not acknoledge the fact that 60,000 mexicans have died not because of guns (how can there be guns there they have strict gun control?) but because of our prohibition of a few selected drugs.

    • jimino

      You constantly exhibited inability to process anything but those most elementary fact pattern rears its head again.  And as is always the case, the irrational anti-Obama lens through which you view everything is to blame.   

      The number of guns involved in “F&F” , not to mention other similar programs run by the ATF under both the Bush and Obama administrations, pales in significance to the number of guns Mexican authorities have traced back to the USA: over 68,000 between 2007 and 2012.

      Do you really take the position that guns and drug demand from the USA are not the driving force behind Mexican drug cartel sales and the violence used to make money illegally from that demand?  Really?

      And furthermore, Hillary! Hillary! Benghazi! Benghazi! 

      • Gregg Smith

        Do you want to compare Bush’s program with Obama’s? Really? There is no comparison. Obama made no attempt to track the guns. He did not even alert Mexican authorities. Americans and hundreds of Mexicans were killed. And you defend it with party line spoon fed talking points. Benghazi was a needless travesty that is being swept under the rug with help from people like you. Shameful.

        And please don’t tell me why my position is. 

        • jimino

          “spoon fed talking points” are your game, which is why you obviously REALLY don’t consider US drug demand and available guns a driving force behind Mexican drug violence (do you?) and instantly turn this into a Bush v. Obama discussion.  It’s your only filter for interpreting the world. Your inability to understand and analyze anything not answered for you by some biased “news” source is constantly on display here.   

          • Gregg Smith

            “Bush did it too” is a spoon fed talking point. You would not make it if you had studied it.

            I’m not talking about cartels or drugs, that’s a separate issue. I’m talking about the hutzpah of a President who uses the terrible violence in Mexico to further his own nasty gun agenda. How about blaming the cartels? How about claiming unsecured boarders? How about blaming a culture of death? No, he blames American guns.

            F&F was all about creating mayhem with American guns to create a crisis to undermine the 2nd amendment. It was blatant disregard for Mexico’s sovereignty and life. Given his history the only thing more disgusting is that he has defenders who carry his water. They don’t even bat an eye in the face of the arrogance.

          • jimino

            The fact that you took my original reply as primarily saying “Bush did it too” tells me all I need to know and absolutely confirms my view on how you view the world.

          • Gregg Smith

            Geez, it’s always about me. 

            What’s with the “primarily” thing? It was on little sentence. I wrote two big ol’ paragraphs of gut wrenching truth right below it. That’s what my reply was primarily about.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        but for the prohibition of drugs the guns would not be killing 60,000 mexicans

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      clearly the cause of mexican violence is our foolish prohibition of drugs. oboma acts like thats not the cause when clearly it is

    • hennorama

      Gregg Smith – TY for your responses. I’m placing this reply here in consideration of formatting issues.

      Prepare for an official police lecture on respect, followed by homework.

      But seriously …

      So – you don’t think I’m respectful, and that I “call names, condescend and “police the site like it’s [my] own”. And also that I’m not “sincere when [I] say ‘I respect your views’ … and then give a lecture why they are idiotic.” And that it’s not “respectful of common sense to posit the theories [I do] or respectful of America to defend the Obama disaster at every turn …”

      Oh, is THAT all? I mean, other than THAT, I’m all dandyfine and such? Pheww. I’m sooooo relieved. Here I thought there was some sort of a problem …

      As to “call[ing] names, I disputed that in an earlier post, to which you replied “TLDR but I got the gist. Look, I don’t care about all that.”

      “Too Long Didn’t Read” makes repeating my written disputation pointless. That you claim to be all about “open and honest debate” then close your mind in this manner is noted. Again.

      The term “condescend” might be fair in your case, but I would instead call it “ridicule” or “derision” or “not suffering fools gladly”. The same with your view that I’m “just outing [my]self as nasty.” You have never experienced me being “nasty” as defined in my lexicon, sir.

      As to me “polic[ing] the site like it’s [my] own” – I’m not sure exactly what you’re referring to here. One presumes you’re using “police” here as meaning (per m-w.com) “to supervise the operation, execution, or administration of to prevent or detect and prosecute violations of rules and regulations”. Please correct any error.

      Certainly I am a prolific, disputatious, and often feisty poster, but “policing”? I think not. And as to “the site like it’s [my] own” aspect, one must note the fact that DISQUS shows you have posted 5857 Comments “in here” vs. 2378 Comments for [hennorama]. (as of 5:58 PM Monday, May 6, 2013 GMT)

      I do respect your views, but disagree with them regularly and often vehemently. As I’ve said before on more than one occasion, I think you’re a passionate true believer. I respect that passion but disagree with almost everything you write. Except that we need more jobs. And that pigs are cute (c’mon, admit it already).

      Do my words convey a personal respect? Not so much, I’ll admit. It’s difficult to characterize ridicule, derision, sarcasm, etc. as respectful. And I am certainly often purposely antagonistic. Might have something to do with you repeatedly calling me a liar, and your profane “Comment removed”. And then again, it might simply be that I find your words to be worthy of ridicule.

      As to the “lecture” part – again this might be fair. In your case, as I’ve said before, “the breathtaking volume of opinionated horse manure in your posts results in my voluminous fact-based replies”. My style involves presenting facts and “making the case”, both of which require more words than when one merely makes unsupported claims and/or states opinions. But really it’s all your fault, Gregg Smith. If you’d stop posting so much equine excrement, I wouldn’t feel the need to comment as much. If that’s “lecturing”, so be it.

      As to your writing that you “don’t think it’s respectful of common sense to posit the theories [I do] or respectful of America to defend the Obama disaster at every turn …” – you certainly are entitled to your opinion. I obviously disagree with these characterizations, as my approach is fact-based and rarely theoretical, and much of what I write is disputing and refuting other posts rather than “defending” anything.

      But IMO, disputing your words is ultimately pointless. The words “thick brick skull wall” come to mind here.

  • Tyranipocrit

    “he was not the type”  clearly he was.  But they want you to know anyone and everyone is a suspect–beware your neigbor and anyone who smiles–there are terrorists everywhere–you should spy on your neighbors, and report all suspiscious activity–like criticizing the government, being against austerity or war or murder.  There must be something wrong with you if you care for your health and clean air and water.  There must be something wrong with you if you point out the flaws in state-terror in the form of invasion, drone warfare, rendition, assassination, mass-murder, torture–what is wrong with you?  go live somewhere else if you dont like it!  You loon!

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      war is peace and slavery is freedom and ignorance is strength

  • anon

    Jack Beatty: “the damage to REAL U.S. interests: Israel…” Huh?

  • Rlphchng

    Your coverage over the last 2+ years on Syria has been good. A point regarding arming some rebel groups has been consistently overlooked by most media.
    The most powerful weapons can be remotely monitored and disabled. For example, the TOW antitank system uses 2 telescopes as it’s guidance system. In this age of nanotechnology and WIFI, one of the scopes can be rigged with a tiny device to transmit images of what it is aimed at to a CIA agent in Turkey or somewhere in or near Syria. The signal can be boosted via communication equipment given to rebels. If the TOW is being misused, the CIA agent can dusabke it in more than one way–e.g. since it relies on electronics, the circuits should be able to be burnt out by releasing all the battery power at once. An audio feed can be sent to the agent, also. By using remote monitoring, the US can guarantee that the weapon cannot be used by our enemies.
    Such remote monitoring and control may already be installed on some ground weapons. If so, it is classified. But i have been disturbed by the fact that this option has Not been discussed by major media, including by On Point.
    Ralph Chang, rlphchng@gmail.com

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      i am pretty sure they would figure out how to get around that. i was thinking we should do something like that with the nukes. just let whatever country wants them to “lease” our missiles and they can target them at whoever they want but they remain in out control and we can offset the cost of them while letting countries safely acheive their nuclear ambitions

  • Gregg Smith

    The gullibility of the Obama defenders is amazing to me. 

    Enough with Benghazi; Fast and Furious is old news; The economy is steadily improving; The “stimulus” worked, and on and on.

    People were actually swallowing the notion the FAA had no choice but to furlough controllers because of sequester. Really, people buy this stuff. We’re paying $59/gal. for green jet fuel.


    • hennorama

      Gregg Smith – I feel obliged to point out two things:

      1. The FAA has nothing to do with “green jet fuel”. Putting your remarks in the sequence you chose implies a connection.

      2. The FAA’s share of the sequester ($637 million) has to come from somewhere, and according to Bill Hoagland, a former Republican Senate Budget Committee aide who helped write a 1985 budget law that was the model for the current budget-cutting law,

      “They are administering the law as written.”

      “The budget law is specifically worded so that cuts are spread evenly across programs, making it difficult for the FAA to use money for contracts, for example, to make up for payroll cuts even through both are in the same budget “account,” he said.”

      This is the reason Congressional action was needed to to allow the FAA to shift money among budget accounts to avoid controller furloughs.


      • Gregg Smith

        I did not intend to suggest that. The sequester was supposed to affect the military not the FAA. But now the military is paying $59/gal. instead of $4. 

        The budget of the FAA is bloated. They did not need to furlough controllers across the board without regard to high traffic hubs. The military found a way to pay 15 times the going rate for a gimmick after the sequester. The safety and convenience of the public is not what has to give. Obama wants as much pain as possible to make his petty point.

        • hennorama

          Gregg Smith – TY for your response.

          As to your statement “ The sequester was supposed to affect the military not the FAA”. – this is inaccurate. Here’s how the WaPo Wonkblog put it:

          “The cuts are evenly split between domestic and defense programs, with half affecting defense discretionary spending (weapons purchases, base operations, construction work, etc.) and the rest affecting both mandatory (which generally means regular payouts like Social Security or Medicaid) and discretionary domestic spending.

          “Only a few mandatory programs, like the unemployment trust fund and, most notably, Medicare (more specifically its provider payments) are affected. The bulk of cuts are borne by discretionary spending for either defense or domestic functions.”


          Or just look at this chart:

          As to the “now the military is paying $59/gal. instead of $4” and “The military found a way to pay 15 times the going rate for a gimmick after the sequester.” – this is part of a ongoing pilot program, as you likely know. The DOD has been involved in efforts to develop a commercial supply of cost-competitive advanced biofuels. First-run and prototype products tend to have significantly greater costs. Not exactly a surprise. And cutting long-term research and development is one of the stupidest things any entity can do as a response to a short-term problem.

          You offer no support to your statement “The budget of the FAA is bloated” which is also not exactly a surprise.

          The balance of your remarks are your opinion, again with no supporting evidence. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

          BTW – if you care, you can read about the DOD and advanced biofuels (and all sorts of other stuff about advanced biofuels) here:


          • Gregg Smith

            We can’t afford biofuel. It’s a gimmick. It’s tossing a bone to environmentalist. It’s insane.

            The automatic military cuts are $500 billion on top of the $325 billion agreed to as part of phase 1 of the debt ceiling deal. 

            “Discretionary” is discretionary. It’s defined by Obama as causing as much pain as possible for petty politics.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – TY for taking the time to respond. Your statement “Discretionary” is discretionary” was particularly unenlightening.

            You continue to offer no support to your statement “The budget of the FAA is bloated” which is (again) not exactly a surprise.

            The bulk of your remarks are (again) your opinions, again with no supporting evidence. Not that there’s anything wrong with that (again).

          • Gregg Smith

            What do you want, a line by line budget highlighting priorities, waste and redundancy?

            Look, air travel has decreased significantly in the last decade. Fewer jets, fewer passengers and fewer airports. During that time the FAA’s budget has gone up up up.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – TY for your response. I understand your views.

            Let’s review our discussion. You began with:

            “People were actually swallowing the notion the FAA had no choice but to furlough controllers because of sequester.”

            I pointed out that the FAA was complying with the law, according to one informed expert.

            Then you switched to “The sequester was supposed to affect the military not the FAA.”

            I pointed out this was clearly inaccurate.

            In the same post as the above,you added:

            “The budget of the FAA is bloated.”

            I (twice) pointed out that you provided no support for this statement, to which you replied:

            “There isn’t a bureaucracy in Washington that isn’t bloated. None.”

            To your credit, you added these claims of correlation:

            “Look, air travel has decreased significantly in the last decade. Fewer jets, fewer passengers and fewer airports. During that time the FAA’s budget has gone up up up.”

            Of course, as I must continue to point out, you (again) provided no support for these statements.

            Let me point to some evidence contrary to your statement “air travel has decreased significantly in the last decade”:

            From the FAA Historical Summary of Total Enplanements and Commercial Service Airports

            Calendar Year/ Total Passengers
            Fiscal Year

            2011/2013 726,007,934

            2001/2003 661,069,429

            This is an increase, isn’t it?



            According to the Research and Innovative Technology Administration (RITA) of the U.S. Department of Transportation (US DOT), using the latest available monthly data (October 2012)

            On-Flight Market Passengers Enplaned (All Carriers) October 2012: 67,402,479

            On-Flight Market Passengers Enplaned (All Carriers) October 2002: 58,249,544

            This is also an increase, isn’t it?

            See:http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Oneway.asp?Display_Flag=0&Percent_Flag=0 (change the “Filter Year” to 2012 to see that year’s data)

            This took about 5 minutes to find, BTW. You might want to “read before you write” in the future.

          • Gregg Smith

            “Facts” make you smug but you can’t see the forest. You can’t discern their meaning. And you use irrelevant ones to boot.

            Starting with 9/11, then fuel prices, down economy, bad press with people stranded on runways as well as other dynamics have put a strain on the airline industry. It’s been written about, I’ve followed it somewhat. My small town airport closed. Many did. Not the FAA more money more money more money.

            Crunch your beloved numbers again but look at the number of departures since Obama was elected, AKA jets in the air, AKA work for controllers.

            2008 – 10,035,425

            2009- 9,348,944

            2010 -9,293,117

            2011 – 9,248,817

            2012 – 9,030,913.

            What I’m telling you is true, The FAA had plenty of wiggle room, this was a political stunt.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – Sir, YOU claimed “Look, air travel has decreased significantly in the last decade. Fewer jets, fewer passengers and fewer airports. During that time the FAA’s budget has gone up up up.”

            When I showed contrary evidence, you now claim it is “irrelevant”, then show data, without providing a source, that does not include the entire timeframe of “in the last decade”.

            Talk about irrelevant.

          • Gregg Smith

            Up a notch.

          • Gregg Smith

            You are amazing. Was I right about fewer planes and thereby less work for the FAA controllers or not? The “FACT” is air traffic has gone down and the FAA budget has gone up. Now you want to harp on the number of passengers because you think you found my fatal flaw as if you can’t comprehend (maybe you can’t) that my point stands. This is how you do.  Did you really miss the point that badly or are you grasping at straws?

            And you think you gave me contrary evidence???? You dishonest cherry picker you. Why didn’t you put up the numbers from 2005? Or 2006? Or 2007? Or 2008? Or 2009? Or 2010?

            As fewer passengers flew and fewer planes departed the FAA’s budget grew. As I said. Your numbers and links (The numbers were from your link) back that up.

            It’s your self righteous wrong headedness that’s so startling. We were talking about how truth is not determined by what anyone thinks it is. I can see why you want to disown that and pivot but this is ridiculous.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – Thank you for your kind words.

            I have no idea as to the accuracy of your post, as stated, since you provided no source. Again. Your post was unverifiable and therefore no conclusion can be drawn.

            Your passionate punctuation is notable.

            The link I provided allows one access to ALL the information, for all to see. I cited data points from the beginning and end of the most current available ten-year periods, in line with the “last decade” timeframe contained in your claim, which was:

            “Look, air travel has decreased significantly in the last decade. Fewer jets, fewer passengers and fewer airports.”

            The evidence provided is contrary to your claim of “fewer passengers”. Sorta simple. If presenting information is “harping” in your view, so be it. If presenting information is “cherry-picking” in your view, so be it.

            Probably the most accurate statement one can make about air traffic over the last decade is that it has been highly variable, driven in large part by the highly variable US economy.

            One can see this quite clearly in one aspect of air traffic – U.S. Airline System Passengers, which are charted in this quite recent press release from the BTS:


            To make a claim that there has been a decline in air traffic is highly suspect. To link air traffic and the FAA budget is also highly suspect, as the budget is not directly linked to air traffic.

            Perhaps you feel that everything should cost the same as it did “back when” despite the passage of time and the ensuing changed circumstances. This is certainly unrealistic, but you are welcome to your opinion.

          • Gregg Smith

            I quit reading after you said I didn’t give a source because I already pointed out it was YOUR source. It’s all there in YOUR link. 

          • hennorama

            Gregg “I quit” Smith – how very brave of you.

            Given that I included not one but TWO links in my post, as well as the fact that the transtats.bts.gov site has an enormous amount of data and number of possible “links”, it is impossible to know what you are referring to as either MY source or MY link.

            Here are the links I posted:


            Apparently you find it inconvenient to simply post your specific source. I do not.

            Are you referring to this?


            Or something else?

            Be brave, and be specific.


        Do you seriously believe that Obama’s intention was anything other than to inflict as much pain on the traveling public to pressure Republicans to restore sequester cuts and raise even more taxes on the “undertaxed” millionaires and billionaires? Before the sequester hit he vowed to veto any Congressional effort to allow discretion on the part of agencies as far as administering cuts. What Obama never anticipated was that Dems would overwhelmingly join Republicans in giving the FAA discretion to avoid furloughs. He then was forced to sign the bipartisan legislation.

        • hennorama

          JONBOSTON – Thank you for your response. I respect and understand your views.

          First, let me say that it’s doubtful that Pres. Obama himself was personally involved in the details of each and every change resulting from sequestration.

          That being said, certainly there is a political element to virtually every change resulting from sequestration. Did you expect otherwise?

          The sequester is flat out wrong-headed policy.

          Both Democrats and Republicans are to blame, not necessarily in equal shares, but both sides share the blame. Remember that we are having this discussion about “the sequester” because neither side has really negotiated in any serious way since the Budget Control Act (BCA) was signed into law in August 2011.

          At that time, the political dynamic was much different than today. In mid-2011, the TEA Partiers had first come into the Republican caucus in the House, and Pres. Obama’s overall approval rating (per Gallup’s weekly poll) was just over 40%, and under 30% on the economy.

          Unemployment was at 9.1% in July 2011, and Pres. Obama seemed very vulnerable.

          Speaker Boehner and the House Republicans (and various GOP presidential hopefuls) thought the deficit, debt, and the economy would be winning issues for the 2012 elections, and thought they were boxing Pres. Obama in through the BCA. They figured they’d win the Presidency and more seats in both houses of Congress, then do whatever they wanted with the budget, taxes, and spending. They felt no need to DO anything until after the elections they figured they would win.

          They guessed wrong

          But remember too that we are LUCKY to be talking about “the sequester” rather than the Second Great Depression. For all the doom and gloomers out there, all one needs to do is look at this chart, which shows U.S. Real GDP in chained 2005 dollars.

          Despite everything, the US economy continues its upward climb.

          Part of the fuel for this climb is Federal Spending. If one imagines the economy as a vehicle climbing a hill, the sequester is like lifting one’s foot off the gas pedal, or pulling the emergency brake.

          Neither one is an effective technique for climbing a hill.

          Nearly three year later, we are left to deal with a failed political strategy that is a self-inflicted wound to the U.S. economy.

      • Bruce94

        Thank you for the clarity you bring to this discussion.  As the Jon-Boys on the Far Right attempt to re-write history and blame the President for the sequester and the unnecessary pain it causes, it’s important to remind those who would indulge such conservative claptrap of the inconvenient truth as others have elaborated–the sequester was the direct result of Republican hostage taking during the 2011 debt ceiling debacle and credit downgrade that Republicans chose to manufacture for the first time in our history.  After wholeheartedly embracing the sequester, GOP leaders went on to subvert the work of the Super Committee and eliminate any possibility of a balanced deal that would have reduced the deficit by a combination of budget cuts and revenue increases.

        • hennorama

          Bruce94 – TY for your response and your very kind words.

          Facts are facts, and as Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan so eloquently said “You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”

          Truth is another matter entirely.

          Facts are empirically observable, confirmable, and objective matters rather than subjective ones. Facts can answer the “Who, what, when, where and how” questions. Facts are more objective and more permanent and real.

          On the other hand, truth involves screening facts through the filter of belief. If one believes something to be true, then it is true, regardless of the facts involved. Truth answers the “why” question. Truth is subjective and changeable.

          This is regardless of whether the truth is convenient or otherwise.

          Thank you again for your response and your very kind words.

          • Gregg Smith

            It is a fact that the vast majority of victims of traffic fatalities have eaten carrots. Some facts are irrelevant, others are misleading.

            My problem is how some interpret what the facts mean. Some of the most insane conclusions are based on indisputable facts. That’s where honest debate comes in.

            Truth has nothing whatsoever to do with what someone believes. Truth is not subjective. It is not a continuum of perspective.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – TY for your response.

            Let me illustrate the difference between truth and fact, using some of your words.

            You recently wrote “Obamacare kills jobs.” One must assume you consider your statement to be “truth” since you have made this and similar remarks repeatedly. If this assumption is in error, please correct me.

            Is it the case that you consider your statement to be “truth” based on your beliefs, or based on facts?

            Is this something you believe to be true, or is it something that is a proven fact?

            Is this a subjective statement of belief, or is it an objective statement of indisputable fact?

            I’ve repeatedly asked you to support this statement by offering evidence (a.k.a. “facts”) yet you have not. Why? Are there facts that support your statement that you are holding back for some reason? Are you instead unable to provide factual evidence because none exists?

            This does not in any way mean that a belief that something is true, without the benefit of facts, is dishonest. One can honestly believe something is true and later that belief can be proven correct or incorrect as facts arise.

          • Gregg Smith

            I think the data backs me up on Obamacare and jobs. I’ve given you the statement of the Teamsters and AFLCIO. I’ve posted CBO estimates. Hell, you poo pooed them because of a video copyright or something. I’ve given examples of businesses cutting hours and why. And more. I think it’s true but that doesn’t mean it is true. I (and everybody else and their brother) could always be wrong. When the rubber meets the road, whether it’s provable or not (it is BTW), Obamacare either kills jobs or it doesn’t. The truth doesn’t care which.

            As for the facts, they can mean what you want them to mean. The fact could be a 5% unemployment rate and the truth could still be Obamacare is killing jobs.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – “the data”? What data?

            “[T]he statement of the Teamsters and AFLCIO” was from an EDITORIAL in the Washington Times, which presented zero evidence and no attribution whatsoever.


            The “CBO estimates” you cite were extrapolations from an update from August 2010, for ten years into the future (the year 2021!). Not only are these extrapolations long out of date and not proof of anything, these projections are also not likely to be accurate, given the long time horizon.

            This is the CBO update from August 2010:


            Here are a couple of articles about these “CBO estimates”. They were written just before and just after the testimony of CBO Director Doug Elmendorf in front of the House Budget Committee on February 10, 2011 (and whose testimony was the subject of the video you had cited):

            1. http://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/a-job-killing-law/

            The above article says, in part,

            “We find:

            Independent, nonpartisan experts project only a “small” or “minimal” impact on jobs, even before taking likely job gains in the health care and insurance industries into account.

            The House Republican leadership, in a report issued Jan. 6, badly misrepresents what the Congressional Budget Office has said about the law. In fact, CBO is among those saying the effect “will probably be small.”

            The GOP also cites a study projecting a 1.6 million job loss — but fails to mention that the study refers to a hypothetical employer mandate that is not part of the new law.

            The same study cited by the GOP also predicts an offsetting gain of 890,000 jobs in hospitals, doctors’ offices and insurance companies — a factor not mentioned by the House leadership.”

            2. http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/jonathan-chait/83310/sorry-the-cbo-did-not-say-health-reform-kills-800000-jobs

            The above article says, in part, “CBO did not find that the ACA would kill jobs. It found that “the legislation, on net, will reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by a small amount—roughly half a percent—primarily by reducing the amount of labor that workers choose to supply.” It won’t be the case that there will be fewer jobs available. It’s simply that fewer people will choose to work.”


            “[You]‘ve given examples of businesses cutting hours and why”? Perhaps I’ve missed that; please refresh my recollection by giving those “example” again.

            Your writing that you “think it’s true” demonstrates that there is an element of uncertain belief rather than purely empirical observable fact in what you “think” is “true”.

            Truth and facts are different, as stated.

          • Gregg Smith

            Here you go, here’s a middle name you can give me while you miss the point. Consider it a gift.

            Truth has nothing to do with what I think, it just is. I could always be wrong about anything,it’s very dangerous to think you have a monopoly on truth. 
            But I’ll tell you this, Obamacare is killing jobs. It has to. How can it not.

          • hennorama

            Gregg Smith – please feel free to change your moniker at any time.

            I’ll repeat the question, sir: What data?

            Not answering direct questions is avoidance, and is evidence of the weakness of one’s claims and arguments.
            You should know this, as you repeatedly avoid answering direct questions, don’t you, Gregg Smith?

            Avoiding questions in an “open honest debate” evinces flawed reasoning and violates basic principles of discussion. When one engages in a discussion, one must be willing to address questions, concerns and comments. Otherwise, the discussion devolves into pontification and is no longer a two-way exchange of information and ideas.

            But as I said, you already know this, as it is your habitual practice to avoid direct questions.

            Not to mention that I’ve pointed it out to you directly on multiple occasions.

            Show us the facts that back up your claims that “Obamacare is killing jobs.”

            Mere repetition of your claims is known as argumentum ad nauseam and is a logical fallacy. Such excessive repetition ad nauseam is a technique of propaganda not reasoned debate.

            Exactly what do you mean by “killing jobs”?
            Exactly how is Obamacare “killing jobs”?
            Exactly how many employers are involved?
            Exactly how many jobs?
            Exactly which jobs?

            Assuming you can find any facts, and are able to define your terms, that is.

          • Gregg Smith

            Sorry, it’s all over the place. Been there done that. Look it up. It’s like asking if the sky is blue.

          • hennorama

            More avoidance. Unsurprising.

            If “it’s all over the place” then why don’t you post it?

          • Gregg Smith

            BTW,you did not answermy direct question.

        • Gregg Smith

          The whole thing is a debacle. Step back and look at the forest. This is all the result of fiscal dereliction and lack of leadership. Obama didn’t even sign a budget in his first term. This is a result of a deal to raise the debt limit, but that is a result of rudderless leadership. Congress ceded their duties to a committee with a deadline (fiscal cliff) and an out if they couldn’t reach a deal. So we got sequester after 5 years of zero budgetary leadership or clarity at a time when we need it most. It’s awful.

          Regarding the sequester itself, it was just a stupid idea but typical of Obama. It’s his MO, threats an bureaucracy. It was his idea. 

        • JONBOSTON

          Early in January the Congress passed a special funding bill to fund the cleanup from Hurricane Sandy. The amount of funding approximated the reduction in the growth in spending represented by the sequester. You sound so brilliant–please explain for me Obama’s plan for economic growth and lowering unemployment. And spare me hiring more public sector parasites.

          • Bruce94

            Time & space don’t permit me to respond in detail to your question (which might be well beyond my pay grade anyway).  I’m not particularly wedded to any one budget proposal or deficit reduction plan.  Take your pick among the following:  the Congressional Progressive Caucus; the Senate (Patty Murray); or the President’s.  They can be found at the following links:




            What they all may have in common is a commitment to the kind of shared sacrifice and broadly shared prosperity that we experienced under Clinton who presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in U.S. history. 

            The record under Clinton clearly demonstrates the efficacy of increasing public investment in human capital (i.e. education, training, health and research) and infrastructure that are essential to long-term economic growth and a viable middle-class.  Under the failed supply-side experiment of Reagan/Bush II, as income & wealth inequality increased, social mobility decreased.  The rich got richer and the poor got poorer.  Moreover, in the 80′s the share of GDP saved & invested did not rise as predicted, nor did productivity.  And under both Reagan and Bush the fed. budget deficits ballooned.  Under Bush the median income fell for the first time since WWII, poverty increased and wages stagnated in spite of productivity gains and soaring corporate profits. 

            Unlike the deficits under Reagan & Bush, when deficits rose initially under Clinton, they were employed to generate the public investments that would help future Americans become more productive and, thus, better able to bear the cost of the additional borrowing.  Clinton’s deficits were also used to lay the foundation for a modern, efficient infrastructure to attract global capital and support the development of human resources that must occur in order for living standards to continue rising.  I don’t think it’s too extravagant to suggest that these investments were a significant factor contributing to the budget surpluses that we observed at the end of the Clinton years.  

            More investments in our people and infrastructure are needed now as then–our people and infrastructure, the only two factors of production that aren’t moving across national boundaries with mind-boggling speed like the savings of the super rich which are likely to go wherever in the world they can in order to garner the highest return.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      It amazes me that anyone can defend a president who offers to cut social security.


        It amazes me even more that you blithely dismiss the 2012 report of the Trustees of the Social Security Fund. [btw I doubt any of them are oligarchs but I leave that to you since you're so adept at identifying them]. These Trustees reported ” Considered separately, the DI Trust Fund becomes exhausted in 2016 and the OASI Trust Fund becomes exhausted in 2035.” 

        For the low information Obama voter, that means no money for the Disability Income program and nothing for you when you retire if nothing is done to correct the imbalance of funding and payments.

        • TomK_in_Boston

          “Low information Obama voters”? Would those be anyone who considers that our conservadem President is a liberal or even socialist? Sorry, but most of the low-information individuals I encounter are those who mindlessly repeat economic nonsense from 1980, apparently being too dumb to see its massive failure.

          Yep, the main trust fund is exhausted around 2035, and then SS can continue to pay out 75% or 80%. I can’t think of any program on the planet that is so amazingly sound. Let’s see, is SS on the front burner in a short term jobs and growth crisis because the righties are deeply concerned about what happens 22 years out, when they usually can’t plan beyond the next quarter, or do they think the crisis is a great opportunity to attack what they’ve always hated? Anyone really not know the answer?

          BTW you’re really “low information” if you think it’s possible to predict the economy 20 years out. If the economy strengthens SS is good for a lot more than 22 yrs. If not, simply raise the cap. Rising inequality has shifted more income above the cap than was anticipated when we planned for the boomer retirements in the 80s, so that’s the solution.

          • JONBOSTON

            Bit of advice–if you avoided some of the left wing ideological claptrap it would enhance what you have to say. 

            Why do you assume those on the right hate social security? I don’t –and that’s probably so for the overwhelming number of people who seek to preserve it by reforming it. Strengthening the economy will have a positive effect but most likely not enough to make up for the demographic tidal wave hitting America as aging baby boomers like myself begin to retire. There will just not be enough young people paying into the system to support retirees.I agree we need a stronger economy that will put more people back to work. Today’s labor participation rate is alarming. However increasing the size of the public sector is not the answer. Just look at Greece where until recently their Constitution mandated lifetime public sector jobs. Public sector jobs do not create  wealth–that does not mean that we don’t need teachers, firemen, police etc. We do –but the number of employees must be tied to what’s necessary and affordable. If the size of the public sector was the path to prosperity Greece would be experiencing another Golden Age..

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Your post is an unfortunate  low-information mismash of righty talking points and ideological claptrap. “Preserve by reforming” translates to “cutting” in plain English, as with ryan’s plan to “save medicare for the kids” by giving them vouchers instead of real medicare. You’re not fooling anyone. After 30 years of attacking the public sector, creating too many public jobs is not a concern. Give the “demographic tidal wave” framing a rest. Demographics is the one thing that can be predicted far in advance, and the 1980s fix to SS was to deal with the “tidal wave”. We didn’t just discover boomer retirements, ya know. The USA has no relation to Greece, so spare us that talking point. On the other hand, our high tax, high regulation economy of the 50s and 60s performed rather spectacularly for the middle class.


          • JONBOSTON

            If you weren’t so ideologically driven you’d notice that nowhere in my comments do I advocate cutting social security benefits. The point of my note was to say that SS needs to be reformed in order to save it for the younger generation. Reform could be means testing, extending the retirement age, or raising the $ cap on wages subject to FICA. 

            Finally you must either be a teacher, union organizer for AFSCME or a Democrat politician since you sound clueless about how the private sector economy operates. The US weathered the high tax, high regulation economy of the 50′s and 60′s because   US companies were insulated from global competition. More importantly, Europe and Japan were just emerging  from the ravages of WWII whereas the US manufacturing infrastructure was largely unscathed. In addition, the marginal tax rates were high in the 50′s and 60′s but the effective tax rates were far lower, closer to today’s rates. Finally, today’s economy is a global marketplace and those companies that fail to maintain their competitiveness will not survive. If you don’t believe me , ask someone at GM or Chrysler.

          • Bruce94

             Great response, but I’m afraid you present too many facts for the typical “low information” Mitt Romney or Ron Paul voter to absorb.  It gets tedious to hear the same old canard from the Jon-Boys on the Far Right asserting that SS is the culprit when every valid study and independent economist on the subject of our debt identify healthcare costs (and indirectly Medicare) as the major driver of our debt going forward.

            And there are at least four ways to shore up SS without reducing benefits:  raise the cap on taxable wages (as you point out); increase the payroll tax rate (perhaps skewed so that higher earners pay a higher rate); develop new strategies (maybe too risky) for investing SS funds (e.g. in market index funds);  require state & local govt. employees to participate in SS. 


          • JONBOSTON

            Mind boggling comments…You create a strawman argument in response to my post. Just so you know, I happen to agree with much of what you’ve said. The most pressing entitlement reform deals with medicare and medicaid and possibly disability insurance since it will be bankrupt by 2016. The only reason I mentioned SS was in response to TomKinBoston’s post. 

          • Bruce94

            Correct.  I was responding to TomK’s comment more than the substance of your remark in the belief that any problem with SS (i.e. existing or anticipated imbalance in funding and payments) will be relatively easy to fix compared with the more serious issues with Medicare & Medicaid.  However, the type of “tweaks” that even Reagan found to preserve SS in its current form will not be easy to implement without the requisite political will. IMHO thus far the GOP has demonstrated a complete absence of that kind of leadership and political will.  To the contrary, so far the GOP has demonstrated only a willingness to manufacture a “debt crisis” in order to dismantle programs like SS and shred our social contract. 

          • Gregg Smith

            I just think it’s cool when all the libs start using a phrase coined by Rush. It must have hit home.

          • StilllHere

            He’s a talking-point postbot. 

        • StilllHere

          On top of that, it’s not being cut.

  • TomK_in_Boston
    • OnPointComments

      Really?  Media Matters?  Was there nothing on the DailyKos?

      • TomK_in_Boston

        Facts are facts, even if you don’t like the source. Anyone who is masochistic enough to watch those shows can see their righty bias and endless reruns of graham, mccain, ryan, noonan, will, brooks etc and endless repetition of beltway dogma about the big bad deficit, the need for “entitlement reform”, etc.

        I’d guess you are so deep into the beltway consensus that you don’t even know there is actually a progressive alternative, not that we ever get to see it.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          I wouldn’t go so far to call OPC “Beltway”. If he’s not part of the right’s goalpost-moving brigade, I’ll buy you a beer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.higby.1 Kenneth Higby


    Best of greetings;

    We are in the same line of work so to
    speak I coach people to become better equipped to handle employment
    opportunities. And you coach opportunities for employment.

    I am a CET Community Entrance Trainer,
    a disabled VET. and I rehabilitate mentally and physically disabled
    clients to gain employment in their communities. I have started a
    program that will build biogreen houses to give the disabled an
    opportunity to create employment for themselves and own a business,
    to employ others nation wide. If you would please open the site below
    and look at what we are doing to help the economic and jobs crises we
    are facing as a nation.

    Thank you for your support and we are
    here to serve all people.This fight is not just about women’s
    inequality, or who’s listening to who, or whats what. I know that we
    all have problems to solve one big one for us all is this. Disabled
    people are just as discriminated against in this cultural socialistic
    society as anyone else. People are without jobs. We all have issues.
    But if we the people don’t wrap ourselves around this one. All the
    problems we face in our whole little”who me” world will mean
    nothing.Erica Pulitzer asked the right question, who’s the
    owner. I ask that same question. Who is the owner of the problems
    that face this nation? And who is going to solve them? Answer! We the
    people are!“It doesn’t matter what happens to us in this
    life as long as we have the gospel of Jesus Christ and live it. It
    doesn’t matter whether I teach the gospel on this, or the other
    side of the veil, so long as I can teach it.”What courage.
    What confidence. What love. The families of this nation have made in
    the long trek, through these crises, where our fellow man has given
    their all for this nation, and many have slipped from here to
    eternity in that battle.Many have been buried, but many are
    still here waiting to be useful again, unable to because of the
    Greed, and lack of self control of many who lead this great nation.
    It is time for us all to stand up and be heard, and follow the
    greater path the moral, ethical, and righteous path to make this
    nation a better place.My brothers and sisters, as we are now
    faced with the greatest challenges of all times in this nations
    history, let us all determine to prepare for our time of opportunity,
    to serve our fellow man. As I honour the priesthood I bear, so you
    should stand with me, through the service we render, the lives we
    bless, and the souls we are privileged to help save.We “are
    a chosen generation, I of the royal priesthood, and you as a holy
    nation of people,” and together we can make a difference. To these
    truths I testify in the name of Jesus Christ, our Saviour, amen.

    I am a Future Farmer of America and an
    agricultural artist.

    This is what I do, this is what I am,
    this is what we are here for, on this earth. This is why I do what I
    do for all mankind. I am here to serve and do what is right. To bring
    eternal life and happiness to all those I meet and will always strive
    to serve this nation and its people .

    If I, or my company can help you just
    ask. I CHARGE NOTHING for our services.

    We the People has allowed me to create
    and sign a petition asking the Obama Administration to take action on
    a range of issues. If a petition gets enough support, the Obama
    Administration will issue an official response. I ask you to sign and
    serve our fellow man. Help me help you.

    I’m a disabled vet who works with
    disabled clients who need jobs to support themselves. I built a
    company Drake Global Inc. that will build bio-greenhouses nation wide
    in rural communities to grow organic food in controlled environments,
    to supply business with green produce 365 days a year in any climate.

    We need Fed funding to match local
    funds to put the disabled to work nation wide at the rural level.
    This project will help feed the people of America spiritually,
    intellectually, and physically, using 21st century agricultural,
    biofuel, wind, and solar technologies.

    Putting other business to work
    supplying the materials and support needed to operate the
    bio-greenhouses is the goal of this project.

    I am committed to bringing economic
    change for all Americans and the world by feeding all men who are in
    need of shelter, knowledge, understanding, and jobs

    Kenneth w. Higby Sr.

    President/owner Drake Global Inc

  • TomK_in_Boston

    The righty Official Party Line is that the ARRA (Obama’s stimulus) was a failure:


    They also call anyone who doesn’t follow the Official Party Line a “low information voter”.

    What are they, “low logic voters”? You look at the pattern of job losses and gains from bush to Obama, and the timing of the ARRA, and conclude there was no effect? Well, I’m afraid “low logic” is too kind.

    • Gregg Smith

      Was it “Cash for Clunkers”? Or green jobs? Or “shovel ready” jobs? What about it worked? What is the jobs per dollar spent ratio on $814 billion? We dern sure better get something for that kind of money. 

      There might have been something else.

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        cash for clunkers has now made it very difficult to get an affordable used car which stinks if you are poor

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      the tarp was a big giveaway from taxpayers to banks and we are still paying for it. we should have arrested the bankers instead

  • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.higby.1 Kenneth Higby

    How can we not see what is right there in front of us?  There is a crises with what is happening in our country and the world right now and all people can do is talk about it.  There needs to be action taken to bring the things that we all know has to be done to a successful conclusion. More people everyday are slipping on way or the other the rich are richer and the poor are poorer. Our elected leadership is not able or willing to stop the polarization of not only themselves but the entire country. We have to start coming together collectively. The rich have to start helping the poor.  The poor have to start working as well,  I understand as well that there are things that happen to change the balance and not all are where they are by they own making.  But those things are in the past and can not be changed now.  SS has to be rethought and brought into the 21st century.  Teachers, firefighters, police, and many others who are on the payrole of governments be it local state or federal have to start thinking about less pay and benefits and live at the same level of standards as those who are paying their salaries. The richer of the middle and upper class have to stop avoiding their fair share of taxes and help out and bring their level of consumption down less wants and more needs being met.  There has to be unified thought on how much a person is worth in a working environment. million dollar salaries a year for anyone is not acceptable or profitable for a civilized culture when there are people within that culture who work just as hard for minimum wage. A person working 18 hours a day and can not even afford to pay for the insurances that are deemed mandatory by laws set by leadership who make many times more on the salaries paid for by the persons who can not afford the costs is not acceptable or profitable. This is why our country is on the cliff now. To many leaders making more money than they are worth. A public service employee should not make more than those who support they salaries.  They should not have better benefits than those who pay for them.  We have gotten to a point in history the same as many times before where the lower classes slave for the upper classes and the gap gets wider until the upper classes can not support the upper classes costs of living which is by the way much higher than those paying for that cost of living. The parties and travel expenditures and payment of entitlements to those who are already wealthy by those who are just getting by is unacceptable and unprofitable.  We as a nation of so called civilized humans need to stop step back and take a look at what we are doing to each other in the name of progress. Our lust and love of wealth has caused us to step on and trample many of our own in the race to the top.  Our toys and ways of pleasure have taken us away from caring for the persons who are at the bottom holding up the very economy that is crumbling down around us.. the rich leadership are standing around wringing their hands pointing at each other and saying we need more taxes to pay for our lavish living and we need to cut entitlement for the poor but add to our own benefits. There has to be a change of attitudes in our nations leadership and its people to strive to help others and not just ourselves get to the top.  Life is not a race to see who gets to most or best but a journey for all to enjoy and help one another make it to the end.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.higby.1 Kenneth Higby

    As for the  day after pill there should be a teaching of the people of this nation as to the importance of sexual conduct. 15 year olds are not of age and should not be in the position for need of emergency or any other types of contraception. THERE ARE LAWS SET AGAINST UNDER AGE SEXUAL CONDUCT. ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE. AND STOP TRYING TO COVER UP THE ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS BY MAKING IT LEGAL TO DO SO.

    • JGC

      I hereby nominate Kenneth Higby to teach the people of this nation as to the importance of sexual conduct.  All in favor, say “aye” and click the ‘like’ button. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.higby.1 Kenneth Higby

    THE BOMBING AT BOSTON.  Here again we as a nation and its leadership have to stop step back and understand the “WHY” these men or any other men  conduct acts of terror against their fellow human kind.  We first must understand that there was a reason behind the actions taken.  Here again is the knowledge and acceptance of responsibility put upon the people and the leadership of the people.  It is niot hard to see that when the leadership of a nation of people can not control even their own jobs and lives acceptably or profitably how can they expect the people who follow to conduct their lives better.  Many of our leadership commit crimes and get away with it, many of our corporate leadership are committing crimes and getting away with it. People are losing their jobs, their way of life, and their securities and nothing is being accomplished to stop the progress of destruction of the lower and middle class. Unrest in the economic and social areas are all around and no one seems to have an answer.  So there is the foundation for unrest in civil obediance.  Disorder in standard communications where people can not connect with leadership on issues that are of importance to those who need to see and feel that there needs to be change.  When there is not change in the way things are being done to relieve the unrest or disorder of civil or social behavior then people revert to violence and terror to be heard.  When leadership stops leading in the right direction people rebel and go in or do thing that will take them in the direction they want.  Without leadership people do not know where to turn or what to do top be heard when no one is listening.  So they act out and do things that hurt in order to be heard or seen or understood. The failure of leadership to lead in a correct quick manner brings disorder and unrest to the masses. As a civilized and social culture we should have ways set in which we can have all people voice their concerns and someone from leadership hear and respond directly to those concerns.  We do not have this ability as yet as a nation or world order.  That is the “why” behind terror and acts of terror to gain the attention of the leadership who are not listening and actively responding to the needs of those who are behaving in the manner of terrorism. The lack of understand, knowledge, and wisdom to use the first two, are the foundation of terrorism and its application for success.  And by the way it is successful in getting the attention wanted and needed, its just not what is needed to solve the problem that started the action of terrorism. It is a last resort, a desperate action of acceptance instead of meaningful listening and talking and doing something to solve problems that exist and need to be addressed.  To many times we try to push something under the rug we don’t want to deal with until it becomes something we trip over and get hurt. Then we try to blame someone or something else for the outcome of the lack of action, knowledge, and understanding in the first place.  let us be wise in our understanding and diligent our research of knowledge and do what is right the first time, let us see history as a teacher and listen to and act upon those problems with true intent to solve. We are a nation and world of civilized humans lets act like it for once in our short and painful history on this earth for a change.

    • hennorama

      Kenneth Higby – welcome to the forum.

      Without comment as to the content of your remarks, they would benefit from both editing and paragraph breaks.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Offhandedly–I don’t know–do people who get to Disqus by Facebook get to use the Edit function here? (I know it’s saved my bacon a lot.)

        • hennorama

          TF – I have no idea, as I am not (gasp!) a Facebooker.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Yeah, I’m just sorta putting it out there. When the cursor is hovered over Higby’s name it shows that Facebook is how he gets here.

    • brettearle

      You have many generic insights and important observations.

      However, even if you provided us with specific and clear examples–from the governments and the citizens of the United States, of Russia, of Afghanistan, of Yemen, of Chechnya, of the Congo, of Iraq, of Israel, of China, of Canada, of Mexico, and others–you could not possibly reconcile the following:

      –The changing nature of the Global Economy and its
         effect on the specific economies of individual

      –The need for some countries to exert influence and
         imperial power, throughout certain parts of the  
         planet–and which has been going on since time

      –The competition for resources–including but not limited
         to Fuels

      –The clash of cultures, religions, and political systems 

      –The impact of Technology on employment,
         communication, information, privacy, and how we now
         perceive and formulate our World Views, as the result
         of Technology.

      –Nuclear Proliferation

      –Global Warming

      –Possible communicable pandemics in the Future

      To me, these issues are so complex, so entrenched, and so intractable that NO AMOUNT of Attitude Change is going to have the impact that we need it to have.

      The world has become TOO complex and TOO dangerous.

      As soon as we realize this, then maybe we can forestall some `things’ that could prevent us from reaching the Brink sooner….

  • OnPointComments

    “If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.”  –President Obama
    I wonder if President Obama will sign the “Marketplace Fairness Act” if it comes to his desk.  The bill would enable sales tax to be collected on Internet purchases.  Anyone who orders over the Internet will pay more in taxes, and it will be more than “one single dime.”
    “The Marketplace Fairness Act will soon be up for a vote in the Senate. Big-government politicians are using the bill to collude with big-business and levy taxes on internet purchases. Not only would this legislation boost the tax bill for America’s consumers, it would slow down an already stagnant economy. Our job creators are already hampered by aggressive regulations – they simply can’t afford more bureaucratic red tape.

     “The Marketplace Fairness Act is being sold as “leveling the playing field” for brick-and-mortar businesses. On the contrary, it is a tool for large retail corporations to impose a burden upon their smaller competitors, and for states to raise taxes on consumers.

      “We pay enough taxes. The Marketplace Fairness Act is one more piece of legislation that will harm small business to the benefit of special interests.”

    • JGC

      Thumbs down, OPC. If the intent is for the state to collect sales tax on goods and services so to fund state mandates, it should not matter if the goods and services are ordered over the Internet or purchased at the local corner store, or at the local WalMart. 

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         It is still the Feds enabling a tax hike on the middle class via interstate commerce.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          It’s collecting tax fairly from vendors who sell via “bricks” and “clicks” alike. If an online vendor can only “compete” by evading sales tax, then too bad.

          That online-only vendor has had a free ride that the real-world store next to my workplace doesn’t.

          That free ride is over.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      You’re really stretching to call equitable tax collection an “increase”.

      I’d ask you for the source of your quotes, but don’t bother.

      • OnPointComments

        Why don’t you explain to the rest of us how if a sale is not taxed today, then the US Congress passes a law and the sale is taxed, that this is not a tax increase.  Whether it’s equitable or not, in your opinion, doesn’t cause a new law not to be a tax increase.  And of couse President Obama will sign the bill to increase taxes on families earning less than $250,000; he’s done it before and he’ll do it again.  His promise means nothing.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF


          Why don’t you tell folks running real stores how they have to collect sales tax while online vendors don’t?

          Equitable tax collection. The free ride for internet vendors may be coming to an end. If that’s their unique selling propsition, maybe the free market is telling them to get better.

    • hennorama

      OPC – as you likely know, these are neither new nor increased taxes.

      Allow me to quote a Forbes.com article from three years ago:

      “You are subject to your state’s use tax when you order out-of-state and have the item shipped into your state.

      “Your state taxes you as if you bought the item at your local store. The internet didn’t change that, although it clearly upped the ante. For decades, you “should” have been reporting your catalog, phone and now online purchases. While states historically didn’t enforce use tax except against businesses, that’s changing. Many state income tax forms now attempt to collect use tax.

      “There’s no constitutional prohibition on this. Sales and use tax are almost always paid by the buyer, but the only effective collection mechanism is getting the seller to collect it. The states have been aggressive for decades, but the U.S. Constitution prevents states from taxing “interstate commerce.”


      If the Marketplace Fairness Act gets through Congress, the President can sign it without any thought to it being inconsistent with the words you quoted.

      And of course you must know that, according to a recent salon.com article:

      “The Marketplace Fairness Act does something that’s almost unheard of: It makes taxes fairer and simpler. There’s also a carve-out for small businesses—any online company with less than $1 million in annual revenue will be exempt from the law. Rather than unrealistically requiring us to [keep] track of our purchases so we can pay our sales tax at the end of the year, it puts the onus on states to simplify their tax regulations. (More on that later.) The law will thus create a centralized tax-collection system that proponents say will allow states and cities to receive $23 billion more in revenue each year—taxes which they’re already owed, but aren’t currently collecting. (Opponents dispute the figure, saying that Internet sales lead to only about $3 billion in uncollected
      state and local sales taxes.)”


      • OnPointComments

        The Slate article’s subtitle says it all:  “You might end up paying more…”  When the Congress says it wants to be “fair,” hold on to your wallet.

        • hennorama

          OPC – TY for your response. I respect your views.

          Indeed, one “might end up paying more” but only due to increased compliance with existing taxes, and NOT because of new or increased taxes.

          You are in favor of everyone “pay[ing] all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more”, right?

          • OnPointComments

            Should a state government be allowed to place a regulatory burden on a company that has no nexus in the state?  I say no, it shouldn’t.

          • hennorama

            OPC – that’s a different argument.  You were talking about President Obama and “one single dime”, not the states’ nexus issue.

            Not to mention the fact that President Obama has nothing to do with “a state government be[ing] allowed to place a regulatory burden on a company …”

    • Gregg Smith

      Here’s another quote:

      “I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”


  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    disqus error.

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

     Do you have any information on the verasity of the Onion?


    • hennorama

      RWB – from their website:

      The Onion is a satirical weekly publication published 52 times a year on Thursdays. The Onion is published by Onion, Inc. The contents of this material are © Copyright 2010 by Onion, Inc. and may not be reprinted or re-transmitted in whole or in part without the express written consent of the publisher. The Onion is not intended for readers under 18 years of age.

      The Onion uses invented names in all its stories, except in cases where public figures are being satirized. Any other use of real names is accidental and coincidental.


      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        It seems that you missed the humor that was intended by that comment.  The good news is that you can use my line about humor being lost, because I didn’t copyright it.

        • hennorama

          RWB – when you discuss the topic of humor, any interpretation of your level of seriousness is possible at this point.

          And I always attribute the “line about humor” to you, regardless of the lack of copyright.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            To aid in understanding I will tag my nonserious posts “/humor” 

            (bad typing)

  • OnPointComments

    “The Benghazi Talking Points
    And how they were changed to obscure the truth”
    “Even as the White House strove l ast week to move beyond questions about the Benghazi attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2012, fresh evidence emerged that senior Obama administration officials knowingly misled the country about what had happened in the days following the assaults.”

    • Gregg Smith

      What difference, at this point, does it make?

      • OnPointComments

        You look very striking in that new pants suit.

        • Gregg Smith

          On Point’s show tomorrow should be on the explosive developments, developments most of us already knew. I guess I should give kudos to Bob Schieffer and CBS for showing the proper outrage but nothing from ABC and NBC. At the same time by admitting the administration duped him he is showing his lack of curiosity. How was it possible for real journalist to believe the video lie? Nobody but the crazies did. This is bad, Obama is not fit to lead.

          • OnPointComments

            My guess is that On Point will wait until after the hearing, to give President Obama cover for as long as possible.  Like all scandals, it will likely come out that the damage from the cover up will do more harm than the actual incompetence.

  • hennorama

    Feliz Cinco de Mayo a todos!

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Uproar over development plans for the Grand Canyon. We go to the Navajo Nation and the Canyon floor to see what’s at stake.

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The President’s ISIS strategy. The Ray Rice video. Congress is back. Apple’s new watch. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

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