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The Boston Marathon Bombings

We’ll look at what’s known, what’s not and the unfolding investigation.

LEFT: A marathon runner leaves the course near Copley Square. (Winslow Townson/AP) CENTER: Medical workers aid an injured woman. (Charles Krupa/AP). RIGHT: The scene after the two explosions. (Bruce Mendelsohn/AP)

LEFT: A marathon runner leaves the course near Copley Square. (Winslow Townson/AP) CENTER: Medical workers aid an injured woman. (Charles Krupa/AP). RIGHT: The scene after the two explosions. (Bruce Mendelsohn/AP)

The annual Boston Marathon is a day for joy. Yesterday began that way. 23,000 runners from around the world. Maybe half a million spectators, families, lining the 26-mile course in the spring sunshine, celebrating, cheering strangers on.

And then, just before three in the afternoon, just before the finish line, two explosions in the dense-packed crowds. Tearing through the joy. Tearing life and limb.

Today, the heart of the city is a crime scene.

Up next On Point: We’re looking at the investigation, the impact and the implications of the Boston marathon bombing.

–Tom Ashbrook

Guests

David Boeri, WBUR senior reporter (@davidboeri)

Juliette Kayyem, lecturer in public policy at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, former Assistant Secretary for Intergovernmental Affairs at the Department of Homeland Security under President Obama and former homeland security adviser to Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick (@juliettekayyem)

Jimmie Oxley, professor of chemistry at the University of Rhode Island and an explosives expert

Kari Watkins, executive director of the Oklahoma City National Memorial and Museum, which was built after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 (@kariwatkinsokc)

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst

From Tom’s Reading List

WBUR Live Blog “Tragedy Hits: 3 Dead, At Least 150 Injured After Blasts At Boston Marathon Finish Line”

Boston Globe “The Boston Marathon is a high-profile event with a global feel. It is no surprise it would be attractive to a terrorist with an agenda, or no agenda at all. The world was watching, and someone wanted to put on a terrifying show. That President Obama did not say the word “terror” or “terrorism” in his initial statement is of little import. It happened: A name is just a name.”

Atlantic Wire “Multiple outlets, law enforcement officials, and President Obama responded throughout a manic Monday with news that a horrific looking scene made clear in downtown Boston, even as a frenzied search for more potential explosive devices continued and hospitals rushed to help survivors: The crowd at the finish line of the Boston Marathon was bombed twice in what is being described as both a coordinated “event” and “an act of terror” with more than 140 people brutally injured at eight Boston hospitals and at least three dead, including a young child.”

Earlier Coverage

WBUR, Boston’s NPR news station, offers complete local coverage of the Boston Marathon bombings.

April 15, 2013: Rolling coverage the day of the bombings

Photos

You can also see more photos here

Videos

Witnesses describe their experiences of the Boston Marathon bombing:

This is raw footage of the first explosion as filmed by Steve Silva, sports producer for boston.com (you can also read his eye witness account):

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  • albert Sordi

    At about 1:00 pm yesterday there were several mint new blue unmarked utility trucks with federal government plates located on the Commonwealth Avenue Greenway between Clarendon and Dartmouth Streets, two block parallel from the grand stand.  There were also a few black unmarked Chevy Suburbans with federal government plates in this line of vehicles.

    These vehicles, several box-shaped trucks, were lined along the paths,  many doors open, staffed by a few civilians.  I did see a DHS marking on some equipment.  Locals and tourists alike were walking freely by these vehicles.  Anyone could have freely entered these vehicles as some had no one inside.  They were filled (stuffed) with equipment and computers. They were definitely not medical rescue vehicles. One of the low trucks had two white satellite dishes on top.  The same trucks can be seen in several photos and videos of the bomb area after the blast.

    There was also a Boston Fire Truck and a large yellow tent with a detractable exoskeleton at the end of this line of unmarked vehicles on the green path.

    I posted this realty yesterday, and was attacked by the usual Onpoint shills. 

    Supposedly there were bomb exercises going on during the marathon.  If this is true,  these blue (DHS?) vehicles were certainly part of it.

    • 1Brett1

      You claim videos captured this and of course there is your claim of “Supposedly there were bomb exercises going on during the marathon.”  Provide some support or substantiation for your claims. Proof please?

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      • albert Sordi

        Brett,  Check out the initial videos and you will see unmarked blue trucks (the shape of ambulences) at the bomb scene.  You will also see the same kind of truck with satellite dishes on top…right in front of the grandstand. These were the trucks that were in the Comm Ave greenway under the trees.  
        As for the bomb drill,  I only read about it.  I cannot prove it, but it makes complete sense.

        • 1Brett1

          Ah, so no links can be provided of videos or from your “reading”? 

          • albert Sordi

            Hey Brett Baby,  Check out these anonymous first responders…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LjZTeWxBSo

            after they left… the local BFD BPD show up.

          • 1Brett1

            This is footage of AFTER the explosion!!! Do you think a bomb squad would have shown up after the bombs went off? Do you? Or is this absolute proof that it was a “false flag” or an “inside job”?  

          • albert Sordi

            All those unmarked vehicles that you see in the video were parked on the Commonwealth Ave greenway BEFORE the Marathon.  You don’t believe me go knock on doors between Clarendon and Dartmouth Streets and ask the residents.

          • 1Brett1

            But you said you “read” about a bomb drill…I guess those “readings” are from what you’ve read that isn’t online/can be linked to? …Maybe I should catch a plane and go knock on doors in Boston and ask people if they’ve read what you’ve read? …Have fun wallowing in possible conspiracies that you can concoct today…  

          • alsordi

            I guess you didnt take your meds today.  
            Google bomb drills and you will find it.

          • 1Brett1

            Ah, yes, AlexJones…okay then.

  • Jasoturner

    Yesterday’s Boston marathon was probably the last marathon of it’s kind for a while – with free and ready public access to a major sporting event in a crowded urban setting.  Next year, I imagine entry to Hopkinton Center and to the finish area (wherever that might be) will be closely regulated.  What now for the other great marathons?  For the Tour de France?  Very unfortunate, but such acts do affect how we live our lives.  Such a horrible shame that this occurred.

    • Rob Lipton

       agreed, this will justify an ever more vast surveillance state, strengthen the national security state.  Sigh.

  • albert Sordi

    I just heard President Obama thanking the Boston Police, Fire and FBI in their quick response. 

    Why did he not mention the Homeland Security response.  It was their unmarked blue trucks that were first on the scene, and can be seen in the initial photos of the bomb scene ??

    I have not heard the words Homeland Security in any of the news reports.  Why is the media playing down the DHS presence?

    • Gregg Smith

      It’s a big international event so it doesn’t surprise me that DHS would have a presence. I have no idea whether they were acting on specific intelligence. Obama is catching heat for not calling this a terrorist attack but I cut him some slack, we just don’t know. I suppose it fits the dictionary definition but the phrase is loaded.

      Regarding the press, they want terribly for the culprit to be a Republican. They also want to buttress Obama’s theme of Bin Laden is dead and Al Qaida is decimated. There is no way they will make a big deal out of the blue trucks.

      • 1Brett1

        “Regarding the press, they want terribly for the culprit to be a Republican. They also want to buttress Obama’s theme of Bin Laden is dead and Al Qaida is decimated.”

        Okay, what fringe website will you come up with this time to support your comment? 

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB
          • 1Brett1

            Oh, well, then this proves that the press “want terribly for the culprit to be a Republican. They also want to buttress Obama’s theme of Bin Laden is dead and Al Qaida is decimated.” 

            Too funny…

        • Gregg Smith

          I stay away from fringe websites. Do you think my opinion is off base? Wolf Blitzer is suggesting the Patriot Day thing. Chris Matthews is already convinced it’s a right wing cause. Did you here On Point yesterday? 

          I’ll stick with my opinion. The same press that for days said the Benghazi attack had nothing to do with the anniversary of 9/11 are falling all over themselves to say this could be related to Patriot’s day. 

          My feeling is this bombing was inspired by a video, do you think I can sell it?

          • 1Brett1

            Oh, what is it…let’s see…oh yeah: hahaha.

            Anyway, Wolf Blitzer or Chris Matthews saying what you mention as part of what they offered in their opinions translates into, “Regarding the press, they want terribly for the culprit to be a Republican. They also want to buttress Obama’s theme of Bin Laden is dead and Al Qaida is decimated.”?? 

            Okay…this doesn’t constitute proper a characterization of the “press.” Also, Wolf Blitzer? Chris Matthews? Really?

            Seems a lot more partisan for Fox to have repeatedly run the claim all night and into this morning that the police are finding a Saudi “a person of interest” including still continuing to claim the Saudi was injured and they had him under guard in a hospital (which, all of this has been deemed erroneous by authorities).

          • Gregg Smith

            Add Fox to the list, you’re making my case. And you forgot On Point which I mentioned. 

            It’s as plain as day.

          • 1Brett1

            Is “your making my case” your new default mode?

            How does Fox claiming police have a Saudi guarded making the case for “…the press…[wanting] terribly for the culprit to be a Republican”? 

          • Gregg Smith

            Apologies, I sloppily misread your post. Fox is probably touting the Patriot day thing too. I don’t care who does it.

            To your question, there IS a Saudi being questioned, there is no evidence of a tie to Patriot’s day besides pre-conceived notions speculating.

            Clinton blamed Rush for Oklahoma City, the press blamed Sarah Palin for Gabby, Brian Ross tried to blame the Tea Party for Aurora, Lanza’s mother was painted as a right wing nut who poisoned her sons mind and on and on. I don’t expect you to agree but how can you dismiss the notion as absurd?

          • Ray in VT

            I was waiting to see how long it would be before Benghazi would be brought up.  I can add that one to my bingo card.  Now, if only someone could nit-pick what the President said about whether or not this was an act of terror or a terrorist attack.

          • Gregg Smith

            Thank you Ray, two things: 1) It was actually NJ who was first yesterday but it was in a a reply to me, and 2) Scroll up a little to read me cutting Obama slack for not labeling it a terrorist attack. 

            I think it’s a good point about the press saying two completely different things regarding anniversaries when in Benghazi there was tons of evidence to the contrary and there is no evidence here. In one case they are ignoring evidence and in the other they are trumping it up. Do you not see that?

          • Ray in VT

            I didn’t see NJ from yesterday.  I’m further ahead on my card, although I also get to fill in my “silly video” box.  I think that it is pretty easy to call this an act of terror in the sense that it was intended in create panic and fear.  In that same sense I think that it can also be a called a terrorist attack, no matter what is ultimately discovered regarding the bomber’s motives.

            I don’t think that any potential motives should be ruled out, but facts need to be gathered, much like with Benghazi.  While that attack was on a significant anniversary, evidence was initially lacking, and there were potential connections to other incidents that were not related to 9/11.  It’s better to wait for facts, and I think that the media have largely been doing a good job on that front this time around.

            As to your last point, I do see the willful disregard of a particular stream of intelligence from a highly chaotic situation from half a world away and the hilarious attempts to tar and feather an administration for lying and deceiving the American people by the very same people who will also bend over backwards to make apologies for the much worse lies of parties that they more generally favor.  That’s plain as day to me.

          • Gregg Smith

            Regarding your last paragraph, it helps when you can quote the lie and it is unique to that person. But as you know one action does not excuse another. It’s amazing to me you can’t talk about Benghazi without invoking Bush.

          • Ray in VT

            I’ve quoted the a specific example of just such a lie before.  Perhaps you don’t recall, but perhaps you just excused it.  I don’t recall.  One action certainly does not excuse another, and I’m more than willing to give people a break due to faulty or false intelligence or the confusing nature of an unfolding situation.  I only invoke Bush for those who want to go on about Obama’s lies, either real or supposed, while excusing Republican lies.  For me it is merely about calling out hypocrisy where I see it.

            How many people died because the President called the Benghazi attack an act of terror and not a terrorist attack? How many people died because Susan Rice backed an ultimately false line of intelligence that was not proven until days later? Let us contrast that with the actions that followed former President Bush saying that Iraq had operational links with Al Qaeda or comments made by then National Security Advisor Condaleeza Rice. Those statements were ultimately not true, with the former known to be false at the time, and how many people died because of those words and beliefs led us?

          • Gregg Smith

            “Excuse it”? You say every Democrtat   before 2002who scre amed  about WMD was  mistaken and every body  after 2002 was fooled by Bush’s lies. It’s ridiculous.

      • albert Sordi

        Gregg,  your explanation has some merit, except for the partisan nonsense.  
        What amazes me is how Americans can always ignore the 800 gorilla in the room.  The unmarked blue trucks are all over the initial videos and photos…. and the media ignores the identity of these anonymous “first responders”. 

        But now all the photos included local police and fire vehicles.  No more inquiry… back to pizza and net flix.

        • 1Brett1

          Yes, except for the “partisan nonsense.” Well said!

        • Gregg Smith

          You are making the case for what you call my partisan nonsense.

      • 1Brett1

        Tag Romney was just on Fox and Friends talking about how on Patriot’s Day having this happen was horrible…I suppose HE wants “for the culprit to be a Republican” too?  

  • Acnestes

    It will be interesting to see who the perpetrators are.  I happen to know that the FBI is always on extra sharp watch around this period.  This is a big week for the home grown fringe – the anniversaries of Waco (which as I recall happened on the day of a previous Marathon), Oklahoma City and for good measure Hitler’s birthday are all within a few days of each other.

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      There is something particularly sad about a person seeing such a horrific tragedy only as another opportunity to advance their political cause.

      • http://www.facebook.com/leonard.bast.90 Leonard Bast

        Bombings of this sort are always political. It is safe to say the person or persons who planted the bombs, whether they turn out to be home-grown American terrorists or foreign ones, planted them for political reasons and had a political cause. The response to the event will carry heavy political overtones, and it will be analyzed and interpreted in the light of politics. This is just a simple and obvious fact, wherever one might stand on the political spectrum. To think otherwise is to be naive. 

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Then I’ll stand with the naive:
          “But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We’d have eaten ourselves alive long ago.” 

          http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/patton-oswalt-on-the-boston-marathon-bombing/275015/

          • http://www.facebook.com/leonard.bast.90 Leonard Bast

            Stand wherever you want, but to argue that a bombing of this sort is not an inherently political event is bound to rob you of any credibility you may have. Honestly, it doesn’t even make any sense.

          • MrNutso

            However unlikely, it could just be the plan of your garden variety mad bomber.  Though psychopaths don’t typically plan multiple simultaneous incidents.

          • jefe68

            I don’t know, maybe it’s just me.
            But I find statements such as the one you posted political.

            You left out the last paragraph, which is pretty important.

            “So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think,” “The good outnumber you, and we always will.”

        • Gregg Smith

          9/11 was not political. We are infidels and must be killed, simple as that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/leonard.bast.90 Leonard Bast

            But, as any rational person knows, it wasn’t as simple as that, was it? The rationale for the attack wasn’t as simple as that, the event itself wasn’t as simple as that, and the response has not been as simple as that. 

          • Gregg Smith

            It wasn’t political, that’s all. 

          • Ray in VT

            It depends upon how one defines political.  They struck at the symbols of our military and economic might.  If it was all about religion, then they could have blown up a religious site quite easily.  Politics and religion were certainly both at play, but I don’t think that one cannot call 9/11 non political in a broader sense.

          • Gregg Smith

            Anything is anything if one gets broad enough. Generally I’m just saying evil exists but specifically I am disagreeing with  Mr. Bast’s opinion that these things are always political. 

          • Ray in VT

            I think that such acts are generally speaking political in the sense that the perpetrator is generally seeking to make a statement or to advance a cause or issue.  That isn’t always the case, of course, but it wouldn’t surprise me to find that this person or persons was acting on some sort of fringe ideology, but who knows.

          • jefe68

            9/11 was ideological and political in my view. A terrorist act is many things. It’s political, it’s criminal, it’s about instilling fear and using it to make a political or ideological statement. To think that this event is not political is naive.

            Politics is in the subtext of your comments, are you aware of that?

          • NewtonWhale

            The stated motives for the 9/11 attacks were all political:

            - Sanctions imposed against Iraq

            http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html

            - Presence of U.S. military in Saudi Arabia

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm

            - Support of Israel by United States

            http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/assessment/2001/09/what_does_osama_bin_laden_want.html

            People like you are dangerous. You substitute an ideological agenda for factual analysis and make it harder to adopt policies that might actually make us safer.

          • Gregg Smith

            We are infidels and must be killed, that’s the reason. Blaming America is sick.

          • nj_v2

            More simple-minded buffoonery from the Chief Buffoon.

    • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Ms. Spider

       And tax day.

      • Acnestes

         Geez, how did I forget that one!

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    People of good conscience around the world are horrified by these cruel and cowardly attacks on innocent men, women, and children.  We will keep the victims and their loved ones in our thoughts and prayers.  Today is the day, for all that are able to, to donate blood for those that are in need.  

    http://www.redcrossblood.org/?utm_source=RCO%2BSite%2BHeader&utm_medium=RCO%2BSite%2BHeader&utm_term=RCO%2BSite%2BHeader&utm_content=RCO%2BSite%2BHeader&utm_campaign=RCO%2BSite%2BHeader

    • http://www.facebook.com/leonard.bast.90 Leonard Bast

      Actually, the Red Cross has said that it does not need blood at this time . . . 

      ” Thanks to the generosity of volunteer blood donors, there is currently enough blood on the shelves to meet patient needs. The Red Cross also has the financial resources it needs to support this event right now. We are asking those who want to help to make an appointment to give blood in the coming weeks and months.” 
      http://www.redcross.org/news/press-release/Red-Cross-Statement-on-Boston-Marathon-Explosions

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      It’s too soon for a rejoinder on your comment but your phrase “these cruel and cowardly attacks on innocent men, women, and children” carries meaning the world over – if you get my drift.  

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        Thank you for you attempt at discretion and maturity – if you get my drift.

  • StilllHere

    I’m hoping we don’t get a repeat of the rhetoric that tainted the immediate analysis by the host of the Tucson shooting.

  • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

    FTA:
    News reports indicate that a number of runners crossed the finish line and kept on running to the nearest hospital, to give blood. There was remarkably little panic; instead, a well-organized rescue effort. So far only three people have been confirmed dead, one of them an eight-year-old child. Probably that number will rise. But the prompt and effective reaction by so many, amateurs as well as trained professionals, undoubtedly prevented the death toll from being much worse. We should be proud of our fellow citizens.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/04/one-word-on-the-boston-massacre.php

  • Ed75

    As one sees our country turning full-bore to the acceptance of serious sin – abortion, same-sex marriage – one thinks of Psalm 127:

    Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain.Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.

    Or of Galations 6:7:

    Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked.

    It is a call to personal repentance, whatever our society does. A call to turn to God’s mercy, whichever tradition one belongs to. For Catholics, to confession and Mas. It takes this kind of event to get our attention.

    • Ray in VT

      All houses, cities and empires are built in vain if one is talking about them being everlasting, no matter what god or gods watch over them or the faith of their inhabitants.  It is the way of the world.

    • http://www.facebook.com/leonard.bast.90 Leonard Bast

      God is a figment of your imagination, and a figment of the imagination can have nothing to do with this bombing (except in the mind of the delusional). There is no supernatural being that created us or that controls our lives or that has anything to do with yesterday’s events. No supernatural being caused the planting of those bombs or the killing and maiming of those people yesterday, not to punish us or for any other reason. There are no gods, God, goblins, ghosts, or gremlins. Also, you spelled “mass” incorrectly. 

      • jefe68

        Well said sir.

      • Ed75

        Not much on the letter ‘G’, eh?

    • http://bookmaggot.com Alan

      I’m glad your god doesn’t exist; he sounds pretty evil to me if he works by blowing up children.

    • J__o__h__n

      This is disgusting and makes me proud to be an atheist. 

    • http://twitter.com/Dragonsong73 Eric R. Duncan

       I suppose our using blended fabrics, shaving the hair on our faces and sideburns, eating shellfish are also on that list of full bore Levitican sins you are talking about. As Catholics like to remind folks there is no hierarchy of sin.

      To keep the conversation in your religions wheel house.

      • Ed75

        The Levitical laws were placed on the Jewish people by God after their disobedience in worshipping the golden calf at Sinai, at the start of the forty years in the desert. The Deuteronimical laws were placed on the Jewish people by God after they disobeyed by worshipping the Bael of Peor at the end of their forty years in the desert.

        These laws were binding on the Jewish people, but were ended with the coming of Christ, the end of the Temple worship to which they were directed, and are the laws referred to many times by St. Paul in his letters. They were replaced by the laws of the Beatitudes and of the Church, though many laws of the Jewish people were not ended at all, for example the Ten Commandments. 

        • http://twitter.com/Dragonsong73 Eric R. Duncan

          Then find me a new testament statement supporting your position. 

          • Ed75

            Of course most of the time St. Paul is speaking of the Law as a whole, saying that it can’t save, that it’s purpose was to make people aware of sin and to increase virtue, and at the same time make us aware of the need for a savior.

            But there are two kinds of law at least, this is such a large topic. One is natural law, like the Ten Commandments, which doesn’t change or end.

            But then there is law related to the Jewish worship: law that aimed at the purification of the person, so that they could participate in the worship, and of how to carry out the worship itself. Jewish worship developed over the centuries, and the accompanying laws developed.

            But they all found their end and completion in Jesus and his Sacrifice. At that time the Jewish sacrifices ended theologically and historically, from a Chrsitian viewpoint, because they were fulfilled in Jesus. So those accompanying laws were fulfilled also, and replaced by,  the preparation for and directions for Mass.

            This is shown at the Death of Jesus when the curtain in the Temple, which shielded the Holy of Holies, was torn in two, indicating the end of the Temple sacrifices.

            It is also shown in St. Peter’s dream at the house of Cornelius in Acts where he sees three times a sheet of animals and he is told to eat. He says that he can’t, it’s against his religion, and he hears a voice that says ‘What God has made clean do not call profane’.

          • http://twitter.com/Dragonsong73 Eric R. Duncan

             Does not answer my question please do not derail.

    • jefe68

      I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
      Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

      Mahatma Gandhi

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        It’s like going to see one’s favorite band in concert for the first time, and realizing one can’t stand anyone else in their fan club.

    • NewtonWhale

      As one sees remarks such as yours, one thinks of the wisdom of Deuteronomy 14:21:

      “Thou shalt not eat beef stroganoff. Or veal parmesan, for that matter. Don’t even get me started on cheeseburgers in paradise lost.”

    • nj_v2

      Still haven’t found the time to get professional counseling, eh, “Ed”?

      If it’s a matter of money, maybe we could start a fund for you. Might be worth it to avoid having to step over these piles of crap you leave here.

    • Thinkfreeer

      Ha ha ha ha ha

      Since you brought it up, I need some advice. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. What should I do?

      I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

      • Ed75

        I can’t stop the posts, the replies are too enjoyable.

      • Ed75

        Definitely wear gloves. Get new neighbors, too.

    • J__o__h__n
      • Ed75

        God bless you!

    • J__o__h__n

      Did you read about the dead eight year old boy?  What kind of a god would kill him to make a point about gay marriage?

  • albert Sordi

    Why no coverage of the second bomb site??  It was mentioned only once that it was businesses owned by the Tavistock group. Whose unnamed manager said there were no casualties.  How could that be? That sidewalk was crowded and the second explosions was as large as the first.   Something really stinks. 

    I will call it a coincidence, but the name Tavistock is steeped in Bilderberger-type conspiracies.

      Why no photos of this site???  Why no discussion of casualties at this site??

    • http://www.facebook.com/leonard.bast.90 Leonard Bast

      Conspiracies are everywhere, Albert. They’re coming to get you!

      • albert Sordi

        Not at all worried Lenny.   Just being intrigued by the show.

        • http://www.facebook.com/leonard.bast.90 Leonard Bast

          I think you should worry. They’ve probably got you under surveillance at this very moment. They may even have planted a chip in your brain. Quick, go find your tin foil hat!

          • albert Sordi

            Perhaps this is why they mentioned the company Tavistock at this bomb site and also why they have Alex Jones ranting.

            They want to be able to  raise the tinfoil hat defense.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          “Enjoying the show?”

            You are one sick puppy.

          • albert Sordi

            No, I am not enjoying the deaths and injuries,
            but to be sure this more interesting than any Hollywood movie.

          • jefe68

            I’ll second the sick puppy observation.

          • http://www.facebook.com/leonard.bast.90 Leonard Bast

            I’ll third it.

          • nj_v2

            I don’t say things like this often, but it’s long past time for you to shut the f**k up.

          • albert Sordi

            Hey NJ,  your response exhibits typical American ignorance ala Bill OReilly.  People like you want to “shut up” anything that ruins their dream sleep.

            I’d like to see you try to shut me up.

          • jefe68

            You don’t get it do you.

            Keep on spewing forth your inanity. 
            I was going to offer you a shovel, but I see you’re quite capable of digging that large hole without assistance.

    • jefe68

      You have to be kidding. 
      Do you not have any sense of decency?
       

    • NewtonWhale

      If you really want to unravel a mystery, Albert, find out who stole the second “D” from your last name.

  • 228929292AABBB

    I respect On Point but the truth is the media attention is the prize these attackers seek.  The 24 hour coverage of Columbine is in large measure what killed the children in Newtown and the media keep feeding the devil.  The problem with it is the media control the issues so the issue of media culpability will never come up.  The media need the attention for profit and ego so they won’t govern their own actions.  Our media-industrial complex is not so different than its more famous brother (which it endlessly judges), and the killing goes on…

  • AC

    it was awful and surreal…..

    i really, really, really have a burning need to know why…..

  • John_in_Amherst

    I am really F-ing sick of a violent sociopaths
    (members of terror cells or not) being able to terrorize hundreds of millions of people. Every day the
    media scours the globe, looking for the worst stories among 7 billion
    people, so they can deliver it 24/7 in breathless sound bites tucked
    between ads, to what end?
    Just say NO to terror.I
    don’t think there actually are lots of wackos out there crazy enough to
    randomly blow people up. But the few who are count on having their
    bloody fantasies play out and replay over and over in the media, so that
    it takes us a huge mental effort to put it
    in perspective. Humans are wired to get hyper at the sight of blood and
    suffering. It is awful, on any scale. But that response was an
    evolutionary adaptation for a time when individuals were directly engaged in
    situations where friends or relatives were being hurt & killed. Now the
    fight-or-flight response generated by witnessing this type of carnage up close in
    slow mo on the TV or web is being inappropriately triggered, and it is
    not healthy in the near term for us personally, or in the long run socially. We need the facts, straight
    up, so we can come up with responses and solutions. However, by being part of the media
    circus, in which we are the peanut gallery, glued to the tube, we only encourage this stuff.

    • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Ms. Spider

      Very astute take, John, but don’t you kind of feel like that genie won’t go back in the bottle in our media-saturated age?

      • John_in_Amherst

         the genie (media hyping bloody events we can do nothing about) is out for good.  Whether it rules over us is our decision.  We need the gumption of the Brits in WWII, or the Israelis, who, even in the face of imminent danger, refused to let fear dominate their lives.  A re-run of our national response after 9-11, in which paranoia ruled and we were willing to trade liberty and freedom for imagined security would be the greatest of tragedies.  Want to honor the victims?  Don’t let depravity rule over us.  Limit your impulse to watch and listen to this in an endless loop. 

        • 228929292AABBB

           Agreed in large measure but the Israeli’s don’t seem to have triumphed over fear.

          • John_in_Amherst

             point taken.  However, most Israelis know if they are taken hostage, their government will not negotiate for their release.  Most of the time.  In the war being waged on personal freedom by fundamentalists, in the war on sanity being waged by shooters and bombers across the world, we either agree to being soldiers on the front line all the time, ready to sacrifice all for the cause, or we surrender freedom.  Freedom is not free.

        • nj_v2

          I share your frustration, but, honestly, some of your comments make no sense to me.

          Do you really expect the media to not report on events like this? Is mere reporting of them the same as “hyping” them? 

          Do you really think that no watching some coverage will prevent future events like this? 

          Will some media coverage, or movie, or song play some part in inspiring some unstable person to commit a violent act, and can this ever be prevented?

          I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

          • John_in_Amherst

            I do expect coverage, and hopefully some of it will be a responsible tallying of facts as they are uncovered, so that we may be informed enough to respond appropriately.  One of the major TV networks I checked had looped footage of the detonation and ran the repeating loop over and over as the announcer went on and on. WHY?  All the gory images from this do nothing for the public in terms of generating a rational response.  They just leave people numb and strangely hungry for more (which keeps viewers watching, selling more ads, driving ratings up…).  Daily or weekly updates could convey all the useful information necessary without feeding the video addiction to violence that is besieging our country.

    • brettearle

       It’s a classic Catch-22:

      24/7 Media Coverage, as the result of the Public’s Right to Know, encourages and induces more future violence– which, in turn, induces and encourages more 24/7 Media Coverage.

      It’s truly a vicious cycle.

      • John_in_Amherst

         Break the cycle.  Turn away from the media.

        • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

          Is Ignorance Bliss?
          or
          Is Ignorance Strenght?

          • John_in_Amherst

            Remaining ignorant by choice would be stupidity.  We can gather facts and formulate appropriate responses without wallowing in fear and the violent images served up repeatedly by a media more intent on selling ads than helping the public understand and cope.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    Bombs are arms – should they be “infringed”?

    Neil

    • Thinkfreeer

      That’s already been decided.

  • AKeefe

    Patriots Day, Tax Day, Tea Party Rally the prior day, Massachusetts votes to raise taxes by $500 million the prior day, that is my guess for a motive.

    • Ray in VT

      I really wish that people would refrain from guessing.  I know that people are going to do it with this, like with just about anything else, but we should all wait for facts to come to light before jumping to conclusions.

      • AKeefe

        Based on the things happening in Massachusetts and the Federal tax deadline, that is my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt. It is just an opinion.

        • Ray in VT

          I understand that, of course, and we all make initial judgements or guesses in the absence of hard facts, but I just hope that people don’t start running down the wrong road and do keep their minds open to new facts as they emerge.

      • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

        There is a natural urge to “make sense” of an incomprehensible tragedy.  By doing so one seeks to regain their feelings of safety.  

        • Ray in VT

          Of course everyone wants to make sense of events.  I think that that is why, mostly historically, people have tried to explain natural disasters being due to some sort of supernatural cause.  There is a certain sort of security in belief, and people will want that, but sometimes that sort of certainty is not available.  People don’t like that, but sometimes that is the way that it is.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            On this we firmly agree. It is important to focus on those that are the helpers. The Police, EMT’s, doctors, and the ordinary people thrust into extraordinary events, who choose to do all they can to help people in need.  If you look at how many people rushed to help it can give you solace at times like these.  

          • Ray in VT

            I agree.  It is in times like these, when there may be some act that shows the worst of humanity, that we often see the best and most noble parts of our nature rise to the surface in a way that we perhaps do not see on a day to day basis.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kent.dayton.79 Kent Dayton

    I’m confused why there’s a reticence to call this terrorism. Seems to me Obama was careful to avoid the word, maybe because the perpetrator(s) may be domestic. But it’s terrorism either way, executed by domestic coward, or executed by international coward.

    • AC

      i wonder about this too. i am thinking it may have to do with what official ‘class’ of crime carries a worse penalty in the eyes of the law??
      or mayeb because if it’s domestic, what can you do – deport them? maybe they’ll be easier to prosecute if it’s a hate crime or something, instead….
      maybe a lawyer will come on here and explain this….

      • brettearle

        I think that the reluctance to identify the violence, as `Something’ or `Someone’, is nothing more than acceding to political correctness:

        By being wary of creating a perception of having responded with expediency–by naming a group
        too quickly, before more facts are in.

    • anamaria23

      President Obama cslled it an act of terror in his remarks yesterday.

  • hennorama

    Damn.  My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families, and those traumatized by this senseless attack on random innocents.

    That said, I’m going into media blackout on this for a few days until after the initial sensationalist coverage dies down.

    • nj_v2

      Not a bad idea.

      I watched as much of the local (Boston) teevee news last night and this morning as i could take, just to see how this would be treated. They (local NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox) preempted regular programming, and were on continuously from the late afternoon until who knows when (i went to bed at around midnight).

      Sometimes a tape loop of the early footage of the bombs going off played over and over and over which the voice track was talking about casualties, which hospitals people were going to, whatever. As more footage came in, more angle were added.

      They started up again at 4:00 a.m. (apparently, the continuous coverage paused for a while in the wee hours), but even this morning, for 99% of the time, it’s just the same information repeated over and over, with an occasional new bit added.I’m sure they feel like they have to be on non-stop, and i wouldn’t even call the coverage “sensationalist,” but i’m not really sure what the value is to the viewer of simply repeating the same information for hours at a time.

      And at some points, it’s obvious the on-air reporters just aren’t able to fill the air time in a cogent way. At one point this morning, the on-air reporter duo was talking to an MBTA official. One question about how public transit might be affected was set up with, “I’m sure it’s still chaotic out there today…” Well, really, what, exactly, might be chaotic at this point? The official started his response with, “I’m not sure i would characterize it that way…” It has to be hard to keep talking continuously and keep making sense.

      The official went on to make an odd statement in response to another dumb question. The governor had indicated that there could be some random bag and backpack checks of people boarding public transportation. Ignoring the “random” part, the teevee anchor’s question was something like, “Will everyone boarding a bus or train be searched?” The Official said, no, we don’t have the resources for that, but we will work with law enforcement to follow their protocols for searching (implying that there might be something other than randomness that would determine who might be searched).

      Rather than picking up on that, and asking a follow-up of exactly how it would be determined who got searched, the interviewers just stumbled onto the next dumb question, leaving the viewer no better informed than before.

      And so went most of the “coverage.”

      • hennorama

        nj_v2 – Indeed. The looped video and loopy “reporting” is far too much. Then there are the usual loons, including the man who was shouting conspiracy theorist questions during one of the initial press briefings.

        These loons will eventually go back to their nests and their echo-y cocoons on the web.

        It will get better.

        Hang in there, Boston.

    • debhulbh

      Studies show that this is the right thing to do…especially where children are concerned, TVs, radios OFF.
      Limiting exposure is key …..
      I do this always….

  • stephenreal

    It has all the hall marks of a lone wolf in my opinion. No political demands, no group taking credit and other things that are inconsistant with so many of these types of IED attacks.

    The FBI being in the lead would suggest to me that they need access to US Army and Armed Forces extensive records on IED devices and US Intelligence help.
    (Although, it may turn out in the end to have zero international connection at all.)

    All hands on deck!

    • brettearle

      Some perpetrators may now believe that silence–not taking credit–can be more haunting, harrowing, and can make it harder to trace `fingerprints’.

      • stephenreal

        Not sophisticated enough. One man with assistance? maybe. I would check student records myself.

  • http://twitter.com/LUnderkoffler Lisa Underkoffler

    Kudos to Tom Ashbrook for his sensitive and balanced comments about this tragic event. He was careful not to feed in to speculation and guesses – as so much of the big media does. Thank you.

  • rich4321

    In my college days, Boston Marathon is always a grand party day, hanging out with friends, an excuse for bar hopping, meeting people from all over the world…. So much fun.
    This is so very sad. A joyous day turned into such a tragedy. So many people were so seriously injured and handicapped for life and some lost theirs forever. When things like this happens, my question has always been Why? Why? Why? Why would someone be so evil to do this sort of things to hurt a fellow human being?
    Why would these deranged people with their sick ideology would spend their time planning destruction?
    Being a long time resident of Boston, this feels too close to home, needless to say the sadness even more profound.

    • brettearle

      Why does ANY deranged mind create mayhem, at any given point in time?

      Are there ever any easy or simple answers?

      Usually not.

      The reasons, and the factors, are often, it seems to me, usually too complex to tease out and to isolate.

      • rich4321

        It is incomprehensible and unimaginable how this hate for mankind manifest in the mind of the twisted individuals. :(

        • brettearle

          Dark Thoughts are part of human nature.

          When they are compelled and exaggerated by ill health, poor mental health, desperate circumstances and/or deep loss, then we’ve got your typical, `recipe for disaster’–in any given theatre, with any given venue.

          • rich4321

            Sad but true.

          • Ray in VT

            or sometimes true belief in the righteousness of whatever one’s cause may be.  Sometimes, or maybe even often, people carrying out these attacks are acting rationally in a sense., which is not to say that they’re not “crazy” in a certain sense.

          • brettearle

            Well said. Good point.

            The following is not directly analogous, but:

            Conjures up the issue, in the law, of temporary insanity vs malice.

          • Ray in VT

            Exactly.  It may not be correct to describe such people as insane, at least as how we think of the legal concept of temporary insanity, despite how far beyond the realm of normal morality they are.  They may be thinking clearly in the sense that they are thinking things through in a logical, reasoned sort of way.  For instance, there is a book called the Nazi Conscience, which seeks to explain how the Nazis acted in the way that they did and how they justified those actions based upon their ideology.  It’s not justifying their actions, just seeking to show how they could believe that they were indeed acting in their best national or ethnic interests based upon what their ideology preached regarding the dangers of Jews and others.

          • brettearle

            The Nazi mentality, while so ubiquitous in scholarly and historical analysis and text, in an ugly way, is quite fascinating ….

            The pervasive, dysfunctional
            mentality can be so virulent that there might be no way out.

            Don’t forget, for a radically different example, Jamestown.

            Ever read, “The Lottery”, by Shirley Jackson?

            The “Known or Should Have Known”
            aphorism is a legal measure:

            But can temporary insanity live up to such standards, more than some prosecutors and juries claim?

          • Ray in VT

            I’ve always found Nazi Germany to be fascinating, albeit in a very horrific way.  It amazes me to look at the collective madness that swept what had been a fairly “normal” nation in the early years of the 20th century.  Sure, they had their problems, but they were decently educated, they had great arts and literature, and I hear some very good things about 1920s German film, and then they went totally off of the rails.  I think that it was William L. Shirer who talked about the official state philosopher speaking at events about how the Aryan people were really aliens who had not bred with Earth apes.  That guy had the ear of those in power.  It’s just astounding.

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          • Ray in VT

            I hadn’t really thought about that alien/Norse mythology aspect really, but I did just watch the Avengers.  There certainly was that attempt to link the German people and the Reich to previous empires and traditions, and my understanding is that Hitler did really like Wagner, who certainly celebrated that Norse tradition, although I did hear someone not terribly long ago talk about how the Norse symbols and traditions that the Nazis were at times invoking were not German, and that the Germans and the Scandanavians were not ethnically the same, although the Swedish kindgom under Gustavus Adolphus did have significant influence in what is now Germany during the time of the 30 Years War.  In the end, though, we probably shouldn’t be surprised that people promoting phrenology, among other things, didn’t exactly have all of their ducks in a row.

  • Payhole Everdouche

    Tom, please let us know what was the original program scheduled for this time slot, before the bombing took place in Boston yesterday? It is assumed that it was an important topic worth covering in the first hour of your program. Hopefully you and your producers will make sure the original program gets aired as soon as possible. We live in a world where the sudden headline news events take precedence over the much more mundane slow burner topics which must be covered on a consistent and persistant basis; such as global warming and youth/elderly unemployment. Please make sure that your original program (assuming it was topical) will get an airing this week. Thank you

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1408098372 Mari McAvenia

    This is what I feel we must do now: Walk, run, skip, jump or roll for the victims of yesterday’s Marathon attack. By the millions, we must turn up for these events- all around the nation- and participate to the best of our abilities. Without irony, runners will run for fallen fellow runners now. We will NOT let the perpetrator(s) of this evil crime win.

    • rich4321

      We are not to be intimidated! 

  • debhulbh

    So great is the depravity of our generation…senseless, needless
    Yet TV programming nightly spewing the ills of the world with NO focus on the good that exists in the world and the inherent good that exists in us all.

    Our media, movie theatres, tv stations saturated with gratuitous violence, cult video games, hollywood gone mad on blood, guts and gore,…millions to be made on it, people failing to see the damage it can and does do.
    Then when it comes to our streets we cry how? why?

    there are many reasons why…people the world over resort to such desperate, senseless actions…
     we can look at senseless wars
     we can look at policies overseas…
    our prison policies
    our solitary confinement policies
    our mandatory minimum policies
    our violent saturated media….

    we can pull 10 major points of discussion that can each be expanded out  on and be as lengthy as the few words here and more……
    but we have to start somewhere…to begin with…
    We are fed a diet of violence and fear in this country the likes of which would choke the innocence out of a person…and is choking and stiffling us..

    See Mika Brzezinski  2001 study called “The Effects of Violent Video Games on Aggressive Behavior”…  says we must SHAME entertainment executives. As someone who opposes censorship, I concur. People that make billions of dollars selling mind-numbing violence…this is no longer socially acceptable.
    It is no longer socially acceptable after Newtown to give directors money to make movies that glorify slaughter, murder, rage
     We need voices, powerful leaders doing the right thing. But where are they? 
    Scarborough deserves credit for championing this cause, but ultimately change will have to come from within the industry and from us.
    Of course, some will say that video games and TV don’t matter — that it’s just fun entertainment — a fact that seems to at least contradict the studies cited by Brzezinski. It also seems to contradict anecdotal evidence. Advertisers wouldn’t pay millions of dollars to run TV ads if they didn’t work. TV and film are powerful mediums. They can persuade. They can sell and do..

    John Hinckley- This is at least proof that violent movies can impact an already-deranged man. … consequences…

    If you make money peddling violence, then you’re making the world a less sublime place for me to live. I might have to live with that, but you shouldn’t get a Golden Globe Award for it, either.
    We can…. BOYCOTT ….all and ANY VIOLENT movies, videos, ..

    I agree with many here who say they turn off the TV, at times like this… I do this always.
     Studies after 9/11 spoke to the enormous damaging affects that constant coverage and exposure to such news reports (also gratuitous violence studies say the same) has on a person, especially on a child. To all those with children, I say, do not expose your children to any of this and rob them of their day/days/their innocence/they do not need to know, they can do nothing about, it only stresses a child needlessly.
    As needless as this act was, stressing a child does nothing.
    Comfort to all the heartbroken the world over.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Too many hack politicians looking for face time at this mornings press briefing.  This is the second one and hopefully the last.

  • debhulbh

    In relation to my earlier post
    there are many reasons why…people the world over resort to such desperate, senseless actions…
     we can look at senseless wars
     we can look at policies overseas…
    our prison policies
    our solitary confinement policies
    our mandatory minimum policies
    our violent saturated media….

    we can pull 10 major points of discussion that can each be expanded out  on and be as lengthy as my earlier post and more……
    but we have to start somewhere…

    • brettearle

      And, sadly, when all is said and done, these Acts will continue….

  • Wahoo_wa

    As an aside, while I appreciate the gesture, and understand the intention, I find speeches by politicians and reactions from celebrities in the paper and in other media to be somewhat off-putting and self serving.  I would much rather hear from those at the scene or those who actually helped during the tragedy.  Hearing an NPR reporter brag about how he ran with a blind runner who had never run in the marathon before (completely unrelated to the story he was reporting) was a little much too.

    • brettearle

      You have a point.

      But TV coverage has provided many, many eyewitness accounts, by private citizens.

      • Wahoo_wa

        Very true and I appreciate that.  Boston Globe reporting Mark Wahlberg’s reaction while he was in NYC…well…not so much.

  • vito33

    Way too much speculation, Boeri and Ashbrook. It doesn’t do any good, no matter how many caveats you put in front of it.

    • brettearle

      Speculation is part of Talk Show Public Affairs give-and-take.

  • Douglas Brown

    Hi Tom,
    I’m sickened by this act of cowardliness, and saddened that a day I grew up loving in Massachusetts has been tarnished by hatred. This was terrorism. It doesn’t matter if it was foreign agents or a local with a grudge. The perpetrator chose to attack the public while their guard was down, and the nature of the attack was to instill terror in the citizens of Boston and Massachusetts. I repeat, this was terrorism. McVey was a terrorist, Kaczynski was a terrorist, this actor is a terrorist and will treated as one.

  • nec93

    This is such a tragedy for the City of Boston, particularly for those injured, killed, and their families, as well as for the spectators who witnessed unimaginable violence. The Boston Marathon is a family event, and many were there with young children. What can parents, who are themselves traumatized by what they have experienced, say to their children about this? Can you remark on what resources are available to those bystanders who were lucky enough to escape physical injury but will no doubt be deeply affected by what they have seen?

  • Super Fancy

    while i appreciated wbur’s tom ashbrook’s coverage yesterday on many counts, his conclusion shocked and dismayed me.
    ” If they were trying to make a statement, nobody understands what the point even was. If the terrorists were trying to scare us, they didn’t.” (paraphrasing from memory. Fortunately the guest reminded Mr. Ashbrook that if this is terrorism it did its job well, by causing terror.)
    Leave the blustering for cops and politicians. I attribute not the internet but terrible Post-9-11″ journalism” for gutting the business -who needs it?

  • jefe68

    No Tom Ashbrook we don’t increase security to the point that makes everyday life more like a police state. You can’t make life 100% secure. The way to battle this kind of senseless violence is by embracing our freedoms, not impinging them. 

    • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

      Well said.

    • brettearle

      You can’t necessarily allow such tragedies to take place without a Security and Surveillance answer/adjustment, for the future.

      If we hadn’t responded, after 9/11, how many more terrorists acts might there have been already, since 9/11–that would have resulted in destruction and death?

  • Trudie

    USA welcome to the everyday world of so many. Living life in a state of constant fear and terror.

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      Trudie, too soon for a discussion on your comment. But, I feel likewise. 

  • IsaacWalton

    FYI….usually AROUND 4 HOURS into a marathon it’s the MOST crowded…so it had NOTHING to do with when the ELITES were done who are done in about 2.5 hours. My wife is a runner.

    • brettearle

      I don’t understand….

      Are you trying to dismiss the fanatical notion that the detonations were timed to protect the Elites–because there are some, with irresponsible imaginations, who blame the covert Powers That Be for these senseless acts?

      Why even fuel such morbid fringe speculation, by making such a comment?

  • IsaacWalton

    My GUESS is all of the materials used in these bombs were EASILY available and untraceable if you buy spread out over time. Gonna make it harder to find him/her/them. Such is the price of freedom.

    • brettearle

      Should the price of freedom include free Internet Information on making explosives?

  • rich4321

    Tom. I would really appreciate you do not use any unconfirmed so called “reliable source”. By doing so you are indirectly muddle and poison listeners’ minds and by providing misinformation, you are sinking WBUR – a news source I regard highly, to the level of the commercial “news” networks.

    • brettearle

      It seems to me that reliable news venues are within their rights to report information–as long as there are qualifiers and disclaimers.

      Sometimes, a major event commands reporting–regardless of full cohesion or proven veracity.

      If we stuck to extreme strictness, we wouldn’t even get a trickle, sometimes.

      The Public needs to be flexible, as to what to digest–especially if journalists offer sound disclaimers.

      If they don’t, well, that’s another matter….

  • IsaacWalton

    Amen. This is the WORLD WE created…we must live in it. We can only try and improve our detection, not ramp up on limitations! AND improve our responses.

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      Agreed.  What was that quip by Thoreau: “For every 100 men hacking at the branches of evil, there is but one striking at its roots”.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.calzada Paul Calzada

    Our hearts are of course with those who were killed or hurt yesterday. Not to minimize the suffering people are going through, for perspective it might be helpful to realize Boston was not the worst bombing event yesterday. Fifty-five Iraqis were killed in a series of car bombings, and nine more were killed today. Iraq is just one example of this kind of horror happening on a regular basis in our world today, yet people go on, rebuild, comfort each other, strengthen their community, remember the dead, and do their best to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. We will do the same.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/officials-car-bombs-in-different-parts-of-iraq-kill-9-people/2013/04/16/9ff61b0c-a680-11e2-9e1c-bb0fb0c2edd9_story.html

  • Wahoo_wa

    The trial should definitely be in Boston….not DC.

    • brettearle

      It’s Federal.

      Has to be DC, doesn’t it?

      • Wahoo_wa

        I wouldn’t tell Patti Saris that.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         There are Federal courts all over the country — including Boston.

        • Wahoo_wa

          …and Worcester and Springfield if it can’t be in Boston.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Hey, all.

    I’m a ten-time volunteer for the Boston Marathon, but
    I’ve always been posted (by request) ways away out of Boston because the day starts very early, and I have to drive back home for a couple hours on the Mass Pike.

    When I started my drive back I thought it was a fine marathon. The weather was not too bright, air dry, temps a bit down, with few medical calls and no water shortages.

    I only heard about this on the radio.

    It is only by that geographical randomness that I have
    never been to the finish line, and that I was not one of those many yellow-jacketed volunteers in the immediate area at the time of the bombing.

    I have a shelf full of those jackets, which my friends say come in “an array of increasingly unattractive colors” against my still-ruddy winter-complected German/Irish skin. And my custom is to wear the jacket the day after the Marathon.

    I did that somberly today. My condolences to those who have been affected.

    • keltcrusader

      WESTERN MA?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        I’ll describe my location as “an ordinary suburban New England town” around the Connecticut River valley.

        Not in the Berkshires, not in Vermont.

        • keltcrusader

          I guess you could say the same for me

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1408098372 Mari McAvenia

      I was at South Station, waiting for a train, when I heard the news. Suddenly, my usual annoyance with the glut of “tourists” in the city on Marathon Monday melted into compassion for all. Why THIS event? So unbelievably cruel & cowardly to pick on random, innocent folks who are doing a good thing. I want solid answers. Thanks for posting today.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Incredible.

    The Boston Globe leads with this headline:

    “1st clues suggest that attack may be case of domestic terror”

    Yet they offer very weak evidence.

    http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-bombings-raise-speculation-about-home-grown-terrorism/okWEmSPikYzYn4PMxEi1eN/story.html

    Notice that the guest, Juiliette Kayyem is quoted in the article that it is “probably the work of a terrorist in the ­Boston area who would appreciate the race’s importance to the local culture. ” Then she responds to the WBUR reporters reporting on the Saudi national that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions and speculate. Isn’t that what she did?

    • brettearle

       So,

      Is it your implication that the Globe is just one notch away from “The National Enquirer”?

      The Globe said, `may’.

      Did that mean the Globe was etching something in stone?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         My issue is primarily with the HEADLINE because it is irresponsible speculation.

    • nj_v2

      Like the Rock Man in The Point, The Worried One sees what he wants to see and hears what he wants to hear.

      In an article headlined with multiple layers of doubt and hesitation (“suggest,” “may be”) that merely lays out possibilities, the Worried One is all worked up.

      The article also notes, “But the Boston Marathon is an unusually public event, giving hundreds of thousands of people easy access to the 26-mile route, and the bombs could have been set off by radical Islamists from the United States influenced by events or clerics in the Middle East, local extremists on either the left or right, or deranged killers with no ideological agenda.”

      and concludes, “Trying to speculate would be foolhardy,” Drezner said. “If anyone should learn anything from the past, it is that you shouldn’t speculate without more information.”

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        My issue is with the headline not the speculation in the story.   Especially after the reporting by WBUR and the Saudi national and his roommate in Revere.

    • 1Brett1

      The way NPR reporters told of the Saudi national carried with it a lot of qualifiers and caveats. The way Fox has been reporting it has only included statements like, “police are detaining a person of interest,” and “the Saudi has been injured and is being guarded in the hospital” without any qualifying information, rendering it false because it isn’t true in the way they are reporting it. They also have been playing those same sound bites over and over, ad nauseam. 

      This is different than an expert saying evidence may suggest a more domestic-type of act. Clearly, Fox would like it to be an act by an extremist Muslim.  

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Hmmm.  Fox News just broke the story that the Saudi national is NOT a suspect and is a dead end.

        I guess that blows a hole in your narrative.

        • 1Brett1

          It wasn’t a narrative (well, okay, I’ll admit my last sentence was, perhaps, but they weren’t telling the whole story of what was up with the person), it was just the way Fox had been reporting it…It’s good they are now reporting otherwise; however, they aren’t “breaking” any news by reporting he’s not a suspect.

  • AC

    i’m not particularly sporty, but i am going to try to run in 2014……..(or walk)

  • kokkonobi

    There has been a lot of discussion, photography, and video concerning the area of the first explosion.  What happened, injuries, etc. at the second explosion site?

    • MrNutso

      Are you referring to the 2nd explosion down the street?  It think they are treating them as one event.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Duncan-Brown/100000783993065 Duncan Brown

         two parts of an event

  • stephenreal

    It appears the Boston police department has their man.

    Not to jump to conclusions but this Saudi national with “burns on his hands” here on a student visa would answer a lot questions on why the FBI is taking the lead on this one.
    As this suspect does fit the lone wolf pattern.

    • jefe68

      I’m sorry but unless you have some proof of this it seems you are wrong. 

      From the Boston Globe: The Saudi Arabian man is at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, apparently being treated for injuries following the double bombing at the finish line on Boylston Street Monday afternoon.

      An official briefed on the investigation said police had questioned the Saudi man about the bombing, but he has not been charged with any crime.

      Last night, Boston police Commissioner Edward Davis said authorities do not have a suspect in the bombing.

      • stephenreal

        I will put $1000 dollars down he will be charge with a crime within the next few days after they run the case thoroughily threw the machine once or twice as not to screw up the prosecution.

        Not that the government would ever screw up the evidence to prosecute.

        If you think the Commish would play his hand so early in the hunt you are deeply mistakened in my opinion.

        • jefe68

          That’s not my point. Posting unfounded accusations about a person of interest, which is what he was, and openly accusing him is not on.

          • stephenreal

            Yes but he fits the case studies and to deny the prima facie evidence before you would be to deny history and the extensive pattern behind these types of “spectacular” events.
            He fits the historical patterns. They don’t raid his apartment in Revere for kicks and giggles.

          • jefe68

            He’s innocent until proven guilty. That’s the law of the land, well at least I thought it was.

            You ever seen Twelve Angry Men or the Ox-Bow Incident?

            You remind of me of the mob mentality in both films.

          • stephenreal

            I love film but this prima facie evidence. 

          • jefe68

            That’s what most of the jurors thought in 12 Angry Men. That the evidence was overwhelming.
            However it was misleading and people were clouded by their bias view points and the need for a quick conviction.

            You missed my point, yet again.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Patriot’s day, when OK City and Waco occurred, and Tax day. What extremist groups do you think are most likely to act out? Can you really not tell? I’d bet on the NRA/TeaParty/AmericaHaters.

          • jefe68

            Do you remember 
            Richard Jewell and the Atlanta Olympics bombing?

            It turned out to be Eric Rudolf , who had an anti-abortion and anti-gay agenda.

          • stephenreal

            Yes different case.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            I do. I also remember that OK City was originally reported as a gas explosion.

            Tax day, Patriot’s day, anniversary of Waco and OK city, MA legislature recently interrupted by anti-tax wingnuts, NRA spewing insanity, marriage equality progressing, ACA coming online, lots of foreigners in Boston for the marathon…..let me see, who could possibly be in the mood to set off a bomb?

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            How much blind hatred can one cram into a single post? This gives us a good measure.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            GladI’m not looking out of youreyballs. 

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            I am grateful I have your example.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            Repugnant comments like this lead to the expansion of differences and hardening of hearts. At a time when it would be wise and respectful to put aside our differences, there are those that can not. They are to be pitied. They have sold their humanity to hucksters of hate and know not what they do.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            It’s ugly under that facade of yours. Sorry, when some scumbag sets off a bomb in my backyard, I’m gonna speculate on who the perp might be.

            Obviously the reason your panties are in such a twist is that I’ve considered the possibility that the terrorist might be one of your fellow travelers. Somehow I don’t think you’d be so bothered about mention of islamists.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            “Somehow I don’t think (Full Stop)”
            Truer words you have never typed.
            I am very concerned for you.

        • NrthOfTheBorder

          stephenreal - would you being saying this if  the person you were talking about was family member or relative? I think not. So, best keep ruminations to yourself — you’ve made one false innuendo already noted.

          • stephenreal

            Please, this case is closed in my mind. They have their man but what they need now is to build the case for prosecution that is why they are imploring the public for video and photographic evidence.

          • 1Brett1

            “Please, this case is closed in my mind.”

            Could this be because you are operating with a closed mind?

          • stephenreal

            Hardly.
            “This man is not officially a suspect or under arrest, and yet is not free to leave the hospital.”

        • 1Brett1

          Too soon…and, what’s up with the crass $1,000 bet? If he turns out to be guilty, I suppose later you’ll say, “SEE, SEE, I KNEW IT! I WAS RIGHT!! …please, how petty can a mind be to be so cocksure and talk of a bet?

          • stephenreal

            Abdulrhman Ali Alharbi that’s the man I got my money riding on. You in or all talk?

          • jefe68

            Are you posting this garbage to get a rise out of people?
            Pretty low in my opinion.

        • sickofthechit

           Who gets to collect when you are proven wrong?

      • Anita Paul

        Thank you. I remember the Oklahama bombing the 1st assumption was that is we the work of an Arabian terrorist.  We should just wait for the facts and don’t jump to conclusion.  Also the reporter who was on giving the address and name of the Saudi man should be ashamed. 

        • stephenreal

          law enforcement sources reveal that the man they are targeting said he was “only at the finish line to watch the race”. He was reportedly wounded by shrapnel and when grabbed by authorities smelled of gunpowder. They say, the Post reported, that the man asked when taken into custody if anyone “died” and said he “expected a second bomb”.

          • jefe68

            You read this in the NY Post?
            Smelled of gunpowder? 
            I’ll tell you what smells here, your belligerent comments.

    • nj_v2

      “Not to jump to conclusions,” but I will anyway.

      • stephenreal

        Can not be afraid to make the call. It’s what separates the pros from the guests.

        • 1Brett1

          You a “pro” speculator?

          • stephenreal

            It’s going to suck being a Saudi student after this. You did notice they did not bother with the other 80,000 Saudi students in the US. This person is clearly insane.

          • nj_v2

            It’s going to suck being you.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Sounds like you are paraphrasing Tom’s guest today — Juliette Kayyem.

        • stephenreal

          The reporter for Tom really brought the bacon home. I would put up a $10,000 bet that the Commish has his man.

          • 1Brett1

            $10,000? That’s chicken feed (especially in Romney money!). Come on, you’ve gone from $1,000 to $10,000…why not go for $100,000?

          • stephenreal

            You don’t have a 100,000 dollars but I will take your thousand.

          • jefe68

            Strange how all that money you have does not seem to be able to buy you an ounce of commonsense.

          • nj_v2

            Well, “stepenhreal,” if you had any integrity—which, from the available evidence, is highly unlikely—you’d apologize for being a flaming a**hole and donate the $10,000 to one of the victims’ funds.

            Local TV news reported this evening that the “Saudi national” was here as a student, was just at the marathon as a spectator, and was released today.
             

          • http://twitter.com/johnAcastaneda Johnny Castaneda

            WOW!!! Are you sleeping? Please wake up. Jumping to conclusions ALWAYS leads to misunderstanding. Rely on the facts. Just because someone with injuries was running away from the scene does not make them guilty of the crime. Look at the footage. A LOT of people with wounds were running away. But because this kid was a Saudi he was automatically a suspect? That’s called racial profiling. And now he’s been cleared of any wrong doing. Donate your $10,000 to the family who lost a son. And while your at it, an apology is in order, stephenreal.

        • nj_v2

          Sounds like you’re defending the bigot by way of deflection.

  • Jim

    when i first heard there was a loud explosion in the marathon, i thought it was really nothing but a tire burst…

    i just can’t believe it happens here in our home town. i am really really saddened.

  • http://tomdog.com/ tomdog

    Guess which lobbying organization has successfully made it difficult for investigators to identify and prosecute bomb makers? The good ol’ NRA. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-04-28/news/mn-59942_1_oklahoma-bombing

  • PithHelmut

    What can we expect – our country is based on killing. Of course there are many good people, many. We can’t check everything. Weapons and bombs are becoming more miniature and easy to hide. More countries will be getting nuclear weaponry. We have to change the paradigm to absolutely no killing, by individuals, by corporations and by government. That would mean, no executions of criminals, no wars. Oh I can just hear the big he-men pounding their chests. Sorry guys, you’ve had your fun, now it’s time to give life a turn. The jobs we will have will be life-giving.

  • OnpointListener

    What happened in Boston is a reflection of our dysfunctional government and society.

    Our leaders have stoked anger by our aggression outside of our borders and they have encouraged divisiveness and mistrust between Americans, all for political advantage.

    The only thing that will prevent more mass killings in this country is for the American people to educated themselves about foreign and domestic affairs and to vote for leaders who are capable of empathy and compassion, and who refrain from characterizing foreigners or citizens with opposing views as “the other”.

    After that, we need to improve our mental health delivery system for those who are unable to function in our society and who lose their ability to feel their connection to others.

    • brettearle

      Well said and good points.

      But it is somewhat unfair to partially characterize yesterday’s tragedies as the result of specific American Foreign Policy.

      Surely, we can come up with US policy that has fueled violence against us:  our occupations, our invasions, our preservation of oil resources; our support of right wing leadership; our own violent covert actions; our support of certain allies; our questionable measures in war; our treatment of enemy combatants…. 

      But you can’t ignore a basic Clash of Civilizations [rather than the US vs Somebody Else] if this is the work of Foreign operatives; also, historically, the US political and economic system have been, by comparison, quite prosperous when compared to many countries, throughout the world, who might seek scapegoats for their despair.

      Or, if it’s the actions of domestic agents, you can’t ignore disgruntled political vision that has turned into irrational violent zealotry.  

      The uncertain Economy will continue to make people quite uneasy–and some will go over the edge.

  • jonas1990

    I don’t know why I feel so little simpathy for what has happened in Boston, after seeing the innocent civilians -particularly kids- been blown up by American bombs in Afghanistan and Pakistan- by mistake.  Why do I feel this way?

    • 1Brett1

      I don’t know…maybe because you have a vengeful, vindictive nature that contrives equivalencies and relationships where they don’t really exist? I mean that could be one explanation, since you’re looking for one.  

      • jefe68

        Brillant.

    • brettearle

      Maybe you simply wish to gain sick attention, by being castigated for your amoral stance.

      Indeed, the way you worded your comment, above, suggests the desire for provocation, so as to instill outrage and resentment in others.

      You’ve succeeded. 

  • AC

    wonder how this will affect the 4th….

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1408098372 Mari McAvenia

      A really good question. I think some copy-cat punks might get the idea that it would make a good target now. Be prepared to see lots of sniffing dogs & well armed lawmen as well as new crowd control measures like narrow corridors in & out with metal detectors. Many restrictions will be placed on ALL public events in the wake of this attack. Wish it wasn’t so…sigh.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Yes, good question. I remember the first 4′th after 9/11 and I expect it will be like that, heavy security, maybe a no-fly.

  • John_in_Amherst

    In the war being waged on personal freedom by fundamentalists, in the
    war on sanity being waged by shooters and bombers across the world, we
    either agree to being soldiers on the front line all the time, ready to
    sacrifice all for the cause, or we surrender freedom.  Freedom is not
    free

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1408098372 Mari McAvenia

      Almost wish the “Boondock Saints” were real at times like this.

  • hennorama

    For anyone seeking some comic relief – Turner Classic Movies has Charlie Chaplin movies and other comedies playing all day today.

    • brettearle

       Do you know about Norman Cousins’s work?

      • hennorama

        brettearle – Indeed I do. A couple of his quotes seem apt here:

        “People are never more insecure than when they become obsessed with their fears at the expense of their dreams.”

        “He who keeps his cool best wins.”

        See:http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/norman_cousins.html

        • brettearle

          And he laughed himself to cardiac recovery, in the hospital, by chortling at Groucho flicks.

          `Well, that’s the silliest thing I ever hoid.’

          Thanks for the quotes….

    • 1Brett1

      I love Chaplin’s work! …Thanks

    • nj_v2

      Speaking of comedy, i thought Craig Ferguson handled the situation really quite well…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQu47a2HNrc&feature=player_embedded

  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.hayden David Hayden

     I heard the show for the first time yesterday (April 15) in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing.  I just wanted to say how sane and rational the reporting was. In an era of hype and exaggeration, Tom’s reporting was a welcome relief.

    • Wahoo_wa

      Really?  I don’t get that from Tom’s shows.  Lot’s of speculation without real fact finding….this story, Newtown, Trayvon Martin…the stories were all presented with lots and lots of speculation and personal opinion.

      • brettearle

        Where is it written that quality NewsTalk Public Affairs Programs can’t include speculation and personal opinion?

        • Wahoo_wa

          That’s true…On Point is the Fox News of the left.

          • http://read-write-blue.blogspot.com/ RWB

            What does that make MSNBC?
            A supermarket tabloid?

  • Davesix6

    I simply can not understand how anyone can justify to themselves the taking of innocent lives, especially in an attempt to make a political point as this may well turn out to be.

    • Ray in VT

      Mental illness or fanaticism can make people rationalize a lot of terrible things.

  • RobfromNY

    First and foremost, my thoughts and prayers to all the families of those killed or injured in this terrorist act.   While I am a New Yorker, we are all
    Bostonians today. On a personal note, this attack really hits home to me as I am a long time marathoner/triathlete who has done the Boston marathon before.    I can
    not help but think of it being my wife and family by the finish line to cheer for me
    (as they typically are).   Boston is a strong and resilient city and
    Bostonians are among the most stubborn people I know (e.g. I mean this as compliment).     I
    have no doubt that the character and identity of your great city (and marathon) will
    not change as result of the barbaric actions of terrorists, whether they are of
    the foreign or domestic variety.   
    Second, I would hope people let this
    investigation take it its course prior to polluting On Point and other
    discussion boards with your biased and unsubstantiated allegations of the culprit(s)
    or ridiculous conspiracy theories.   

  • JobExperience

    Tom owes his radio career to terrorism.
    Like a puzzle piece he fits the media mechanism perfectly.
    Net good or net ill is not for me to say.
    But his rhetoric is exactly what we expect from him after 12 years of listening. And we’re still listening.
    Is On Point MSM or alternative media?
    What’s it supposed to be?

    • brettearle

      Tom Ashbrook is, very likely, part of an elite circle, of maybe one of the top 3 journalists, for Talk Show Public Affairs broadcasting, in the country. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joan-Marie-Davidson/1031260734 Joan Marie Davidson

        I’d certainly like to know who the other two “top journalists” are (in your opinion).

  • ExcellentNews

    We are the nation that faced 25,000 Soviet nuclear warheads and won.

    We are the nation that faced the industrial murder machine of Nazism and won.

    We are the nation that faced the Dixie slave-holders and won.

    Whoever the sicko who planted these bombs, do they really think they will cow us, undermine us, frighten us ???

    Do not just “go shopping”. When you have the chance to go to a public event, GO – and EXPRESS your solidarity with the victims of the Boston Marathon.

  • Michele

    When horrific events like this happen I am always struck that an action so rooted in hate only proves how much love there really is in the world.  I am not being polly-annish, but when you see all of the people who jumped into help, who opened their homes, and provided food, and aid to all of the runners not just the injured it flies in face of the hateful act itself.

  • LetsGetReal

    When our government, ostensibly in our name, wreaks at least the same if not much greater levels of havoc with our drone attacks we call it “collateral damage”.

    • jefe68

      please stop.

      • LetsGetReal

        That article describes in detail the horror, pain and suffering experienced by a marathon bombing victim.

        Can you explain how that is different from the horror, pain and suffering and terror experienced day in day out by the hundreds of innocent victims of US drone attacks in Pakistan?

        And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    She sounds the embodiment of “Keep calm and carry on” at the moment her action was needed during the tragedy. Good for her and you also.

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