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Hillary Clinton’s Legacy And Future

Thinking about Hillary Clinton: we’re looking to the legacy and future of the outgoing Secretary of State.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks during a Global Townterview at the Newseum in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2013. (AP)

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks during a Global Townterview at the Newseum in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2013. (AP)

Hillary Rodham Clinton is wrapping up this week as Secretary of State. To take a deep breath. Sleep in, she says. And then, who knows?

She is 65. The woman who, in her college graduation speech, called for “a more immediate, ecstatic, and penetrating mode of living.” Who would not be Tammy Wynette to her Bill Clinton. A polarizing, “partner” First Lady. A U.S. Senator. A would-be president herself. And then, Madame Secretary.

What is her legacy? And might she still be the country’s first female president?

This hour, On Point: thinking about Hillary Clinton.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Joan Walsh, editor-at-large at Salon. Author of “What’s the Matter with White People: Why We Long for a Golden Age That Never Was.” (@joanwalsh)

Karen Tumulty, national political correspondent for the Washington Post. (@ktumulty)

Jill Dougherty, foreign affairs correspondent for CNN. She interviewed Hillary Clinton on Tuesday. (@cnnjill)

From Tom’s Reading List

Los Angeles Times “Hillary Rodham Clinton leaves her post as secretary of State next month with a split judgment on her diplomatic career: She’s won rave reviews from the American public and the president, but maybe not a prominent place in the diplomatic history books.”

USA Today “She’s just come from convincing Chinese leaders to free blind dissident Chen Guangcheng. Soon she’ll cajole India’s leaders to reduce oil imports from Iran. But at the moment, Hillary Rodham Clinton is renewing old friendships in one of the world’s poorest nations.”

CBS News “Outgoing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is asked some version of the same question in almost every interview – ‘Will you run for president in 2016?’ But just days before her planned Friday departure from the State Department, Clinton’s answers about her future are as inscrutable as ever – denying any concrete plans to run, expressing a need to take a breather, but always stopping short of the ironclad denial that might stop the speculative fury (at least for a while).”

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  • Expanded_Consciousness

    Hillary Clinton for President 2016!!!

  • Ed75

    Secretary Clinton’s legacy is that she has promoted abortion around the world, as an arm of the pro-abortion Obama administration. Fortunately, she has been thwarted in several places. But President Obama’s pro-abortion foreign policy continues.

    • Mike_Card

      As well as the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation’s support of world-wide birth control–Melinda Gates, of course, is a famously devout Catholic who also respects science.

      • Ed75

        Unfortunately, the Gates Foundation funding of contraceptives around the world is a misguided waste of money. Mrs. Gates is indeed a Catholic, but a poorly catechized Catholic who doesn’t understand the Church’s teaching. The money could be used so much better, the people there need wells, schools, etc. (PS science indicates that contraception isn’t the answer, we’ve tried it now for forty years, nor is abortion.)

        • Ray in VT

          Contraception or abortion, in limited cases, not as a method of birth control, are certainly better approaches then trying to provide enough food and water for families with a dozen kids who are living on what is marginal land.  Land in parts of the Third World is not able to support the large numbers of people who are living and reproducing there.  Attempting to find ways to encourage people to limit the size of their families in order to live within the ability of their land to provide for them is certainly a better option than waiting for a dry spell and letting them die off.  That is a far worse human catastrophe.

    • Acnestes

      So, Ed, how about that Catholic hospital who fell back on the legal defense that they weren’t liable to pay damages t a woman for the death of her unborn twins because, they said, FETUSES AREN’T PEOPLE!!!  Absolutely hilarious!  And totally in sync with the hypocrisy that continually oozes from the Vatican.

      • Ed75

        Well, I did see that headline but I didn’t read the case so I don’t know what happened. All I can say is that Catholic affiliated hospitals are just that, Catholic affiliated, and some are more aligned with Church teaching than others. They, in any case, don’t represent the Church’s views.

        • 1Brett1

          Yes, they are just affiliated, which is why (and also considering the Church itself is exempt) they should not cite being religiously persecuted in having to follow the same business standards as any other business. 

          Catholics can’t have it both ways: Church-affiliated businesses’ are not being hypocritical because they do not represent the Church, on one side of their proverbial mouths; then, on the other side, saying Catholics are having their religious freedoms infringed upon because their affiliated businesses don’t wish to follow the same business practices as secular businesses, as their businesses represent the Church and its teachings.

          • Ed75

            Yes, I agree, Catholic hospitals should be Catholic, but as with schools, some are more loyal than others.

          • 1Brett1

            Well, you wouldn’t be agreeing with my reply, then, Ed. If you can re-read to whom you were replying to begin with, the hospitals were in question. You made the claim that they (Catholic hospitals) are only affiliated with the Catholic Church and don’t represent the Church’s views. 

            I’d like to think you at least would start a different thread before contradicting your self.

        • J__o__h__n

          I thought they did which is why they are trying to impose their religious views on their employees and patients by denying them full health care services.  If they aren’t an extension of the Church, what is the justification for that? 

      • Linda s.

        Amen.

  • Shag_Wevera

    I didn’t care for her as first lady.  I thought the presidential partnership notion was absurd.  I felt she was way out of place running the effort for national healthcare.  I thought it was absurd that she ran for senate in a state she didn’t really live in or come from.  I thought a bid for the presidency in 08 was ridiculous, akin to G Dubya running on name recognition primarly.

    BUT!!!

    The way she handled her defeat to President Obama, and her obvious statesmanship over the past four years has changed my mind.  I would rather see her in the White House than any of the current GOP frontrunners.  She makes the argument for preserverance.

  • Gregg Smith

    Regarding her times as SoS, Brit Hume summed it up well:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/28/brit-hume-case-for-hillary-clinton-being-a-great-secretary-of-state-exceedingly-weak/

    But her legacy does not begin there. William Safire endorsed Bill Clinton in 1992 but soon learned Hillary was a “Congenital Liar”. The Travel Office episode was hideous. Billy Dale had served 7 Presidents with distinction and she ruined him financially. It wasn’t enough to just fire him and reward Harry Thomson for getting Elizabeth Ward Grayson out of the country during the 1992 campaign. She had to ruin him and tried to put him in Federal Prison. There was the Rose Law Firm billing records that showed up in the private quarters of the White house after years of  searches and subpoenas. Poor Vince Foster. Who hired Craig Livingstone? 

    She is a horrible role model for women in general and feminist in particular. Being a doormat for a serial abuser of women to climb the ladder of success is not laudable.

    Benghazi was a travesty and her testimony was arrogant and heartless. She got a pass. 

    She has ice water running through her veins and it’s amazing that she has a shot at being President in 2016.

    • jimino

       ‘but soon learned Hillary was a “Congenital Liar”‘

      Especially the ones about being 45 minutes from an Iraqi “mushroom cloud” and Saddam Hussein having enriched uranium. 

      Those lies cost hundreds of thousands of lives and will continue to haunt the entire world and for that she can’t be forgiven.

      • Gregg Smith

        I don’t fault her so much for that, she was on the same page as the rest of the world.

        “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

        • Ray in VT

          It makes one wonder if we’re getting what we’re paying for when our intelligence community produces information that is so incredibly false.  Tenet should not have gotten a medal for presiding over that.

    • Shag_Wevera

      We’re all liars.

  • Wahoo_wa

    I would vote for her for President (voted for her in the 2008 primaries instead of the current wiener in office) but I wonder if she could provide more meaningful leadership in some other position.  I have tremendous respect for that old girl.

    • Gregg Smith

      I voted for her too in the 2008 primary. Operation Chaos.

      • Shag_Wevera

        How’d that work out for you?  Good to know you are willing to make a mockery of our electoral process, ditto-head.

        • Gregg Smith

          It’s my vote, I’ll use it as I please. By the time the primary reached NC, McCain had the nomination. As much disdain as I have for her, I would have much preferred Hillary to Obama. The devil you know…

          • Wahoo_wa

            Personally I was shocked by how easily led our nation was regarding Obama.  He was such a glaringly bad candidate.  Many say race was a factor in the election stating that bigots would not vote for Obama.  Well I think the opposite is true too. I think people voted for Obama simply because he was black.  Minorities wanted to see one of their own in office and self-righteous left leaning Anglos gave themselves a congratulatory pat on the back for voting for him (Look at me!!!! I’m cool cause I’m voting for a black man!!!).  In the end record, experience and integrity didn’t matter…and I venture to say, in the case of Mr. Obama, it still doesn’t matter to his apologist followers.

          • Gregg Smith

            I could not agree more. 

          • Wahoo_wa

            I would also add that if one were to vote for a minority candidate (not that that should EVER be a factor replacing leadership ability), it seems far more logical to vote for a female candidate who represents a much broader identity group and inclusive population.

            Hillary has the goods to lead our country.  This should have been the beginning of her second term.  I bet our nation would be in a much better place.

          • Gregg Smith

            On this one I could agree more. But in the context of Obama, I do agree some.

    • GeorgeWoodman

      Just who are you calling a “wiener”? Pretty funny….It was stated that Sec. Hillary cried when she did not make the head of the WB.

      • Wahoo_wa

        Obama…he’s the King of the Franks.

  • Jasoturner

    Somewhat to my surprise, my republican friends generally seem pretty impressed with how Hillary handled herself in the Senate and as SecState.  I think she did well too.  Rice used to make me cringe with her combination of disingenuousness and condescension, but I thought Clinton was overall a good representative for the United States.

    • GeorgeWoodman

      May I please have three examples?

      • Gregg Smith

        Watch the love fest at the recent hearing.

    • jimino

      What she should have said is “I didn’t come here to listen to some fools ramble on for a political audience.  If you have a question, ask it.  If not, I’m outta here.”

  • Dossy Peabody

    This was in today’s Globe. It would be a great interview for Tom. Fascinating story. And a great help to people. 
    The following appeared on Bostonglobe.com:
    Headline: Charles Peabody comes clean in ‘The Privileged Addict’ – The Boston Globe
    Date:     Jan 31, 2013

    “The Privileged Addict” gives a vivid, disturbing account of Charles Peabody becoming a drink-til-you-black-out alcoholic in boarding school and turning into a junkie addicted to opiates. As years passed, Peabody says, his moral character decayed with his body. While holding down a job in real estate, he stumbled from one crisis to the next: car accidents, stints in detox, buying dope from strangers who looked as sickly as he did.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/regionals/north/2013/01/31/charles-peabody-comes-clean-the-privileged-addict/8jw8Dep33VjMdw15RYql0M/story.html?s_campaign=8315

    ____________

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

     “we came, we saw, he died”  
    Probably Hillary’s greatest quote, which immediately brought back memories of Whitewater and Vince Foster.

    • GeorgeWoodman

      Oh, “shame” on you, breaking the number one rule….You are suppose to “Forget” all of the past; they take that dynamic to the bank with every act. Way to go, and thank you for the memories. 

  • WRB2

    She has stepped out of the long shadows cast from her husband and other events to be effective, dedicated, and (no shock) very intelligent.  Everyone has issues in their past and some in the present.  I think she has proven herself ready for the big chair and we would do very well by her.  While I am VERY against her approach to gun control there are many more reasons I would give her 4 years at the helm without a second thought.

  • Acnestes

    I have already opened my heart and accepted Hillary as my Personal Saviour.

    • Wahoo_wa

      Testify!  LOL

    • PithHelmut

      Actually it’s sentiments like this that gets us all into hot water. We don’t need these so-called leaders. They are in a net that captures their minds so that they cannot seem to see the dangers they impose on others. It’s all about their career and we are the pawns in their climb to the top. You don’t need a savior. You are your own savior. Look inward. You have it all. Really you do.

  • GeorgeWoodman

    She said what? ” “a more….. ecstatic, and penetrating mode of living.” and all the girls at Wellesley laughed…..and asked, “have you met Bill yet?”

  • Ellen Dibble

    We’ve seen what Jimmy Carter did, and what Bill Clinton did, after being out of office.  To me, this is very interesting, because more of us are functioning as private citizens than as elected officials, so I look forward to actually seeing more of what Hillary Clinton believes is feasible and important after John Kerry takes over as Secretary of State.  I am pretty sure her objectives remain intact, and her experience and connections could hardly be matched.

    • Gregg Smith

      “I am pretty sure her objectives remain intact, and her experience and connections could hardly be matched.”

      True but you say that like it’s a good thing.

  • http://singingstring.org/ asongbird

    The United States needs to come out of its adolescence and approach maturity on the world stage by finally putting a woman (THIS woman would be GREAT)into the Presidency. I am deeply afraid, however, that we are still clinging to our childhood as a nation looking for another “Big Daddy”….

    She will certainly get my vote…and I am hoping that the redistricting coup d’état the Republicans are trying to pull off fails before I get to the booth. Because if they do, I am considering switching countries and seeking asylum in an actual democracy somewhere.  Sigh.

    ADDENDUM: these commentators are making very good points about Ms. Clinton’s dependence on a loyal to a fault group around her, however. Who can blame Ms. Clinton, but in terms of political strategy, good points. Good to keep in mind.

  • Ellen Dibble

    The ones who look bad in the Clinton impeachment exercise are, to my mind, the Republican “machine,” and to some extent men per se.  I don’t see how Hillary comes out looking any worse.  I did get suspicious that both Clintons got too cozy with political and corporate types at the end, probably of necessity — the Mike Murphy types.  The game got a whole lot rougher and less about real choices.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.rose Kyle Rose

    How about when claimed she was being fired at after getting off an airplane when no such thing happened and there were plenty of witnesses saying as such? Anyone who so blatantly lies like that has completely disqualified themselves from office IMO.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

    before she considers running… i think she needs plenty and plenty of rest. 

    look, this administration is not like the GW Bush administration, a 10-3pm schedule and go golfing, fishing, and in some secretary of state recreation, shooting during office hours. in other words this administration is not a frivolous group running an internal business. this Administration works extremely extremely hard to further the advance of this nation with selfless acts…

    After her rest, I hope she still has energy…

  • andreawilder

    I am absolutely behind Clinton as Sect’y of State.
    Brilliant appearance re Benghazi.

    HOWEVER, her voice often makes her speeches sound phony.
    Has anyone else noticed this?

  • PithHelmut

    Hillary would be great but she voted to go into Iraq sacrificing young soldiers in order to raise her career prospects. While we continue to expect so little in our “leaders” that’s what we’ll get.  Everyone who voted to go into Iraq should be removed from public office. They are a danger to humanity. But Hillary is a darned sight better than letting the men run things. Why? Because men are the universal war mongers that lean on violence to negotiate conflicts.

  • Kathy

    She has done a good job with State, but I truly hope she doesn’t run. We have had enough boomers. It’s time for them to yield the stage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JoeyCorrao Joe Corrao

    Hillary cried…I cry all the time…women are not kept down…but it makes great propaganda

  • ThirdWayForward

    Maybe Clinton would take less crap from the Republicans than Obama, who is way too willing to adopt conservative policies in order to obtain elusive bipartisan support.

    Clinton lost my vote in the 2008 primaries when she argued in the debates that she was the only candidate with the experience needed to be President (–wrong–) coupled with her weak critique of the Iraq War.

    One worries that she will continue the financial policies of Bill Clinton and Obama, who have done nothing to rein in the financial cowboys. Had Bill Clinton allowed Brooksley Born to regulate derivatives back in the late 1990′s (and not employed advisers like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner), we might not have had the systemic threats that turned the housing bubble into a crisis of world proportions.

    Yes, it will be great to finally have a woman as President — she and Bill and Obama are about the best leaders American politics, as it stands today, can produce.

  • Ellen Dibble

    You can hear Hillary Clinton speak tomorrow at the Dept. of State website at 2:00, on 1/31, a closing speech.  On the other hand, if you go to the Department of State site, you may lose your connection to the OnPoint livestream, as I just did.   Ahem!  And she (with former secretary of state James Baker (Republican) was launching a diplomacy council or organization yesterday, and you can find that at the website too.

  • J__o__h__n

    There is a lot to like about Hillary Clinton and it would be great to have a woman president but there are several reasons I didn’t vote for her in 2008.  She was on the board of Walmart.  She was a poor manager of heath care and her campaign.  She flip-flopped to support the harsh bankruptcy bill that she had opposed as First Lady.  She went to prayer meetings with the Fellowship.  She wasn’t skeptical enough of invading Iraq.  I suspected she would triangulate like Bill did if she were president.  I think she isn’t skeptical enough of the Arab Spring.  She is intelligent, compassionate, and tenacious.  I’m keeping an open mind for 2016. 

    • ThirdWayForward

      Yes, exactly. But we found out the hard way that Obama also triangulates. The question is, realistically, can we do better?

      • J__o__h__n

        I had that in my original draft but cut it.  I’m hoping he has realized that compromise is futile (or at least the way he attempted it) and will be better during his second term. 

  • nj_v2

    Ms. Walsh: “Psychologically, Hillary Clinton is a good girl and a beautiful person.”

    WTF??!!

    • Gordon Green

      I believe the word was “dutiful”.

      • nj_v2

        I guess that’s marginally better, but still…

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.foster.3956 Matthew Foster

    I abandoned Hillary when she did not run in 2004. Despite being ahead of John Kerry in polls, 2004 was perceived as a riskier race than 2008 at that point. we really needed her then. She let the less popular John Kerry run and lose. as a result and we were left with 4 more years of George Bush.

    • ThirdWayForward

      Kerry should have beaten Bush in 2004, and would have if he had run a stronger campaign and not allowed himself to be swift-boated.

      Bush’s Iraq War was a fabrication of the Bush White House that killed over 4,000 American troops, wounded tens of thousands, and led to the deaths of over 100,000 Iraquis. Kerry should have been able to run on this terrible fiasco alone and win.

      Hillary in 2004 had barely been in the Senate one term — she needed a little extra time to mature politically.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JoeyCorrao Joe Corrao

     this is just silly….I always looked to this show for some objectivity but lemme switch over to WEEI

  • http://twitter.com/en_b ian berry

    Here’s why I didn’t vote for Hillary:
    Afghanistan.

    “You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” (1987)”

  • SouthShore1

    Sometime during her presidential run, she dispelled the myth for the US that women are inherently disqualified from the highest office, by showing her quality in the media glare. I see this as her biggest effect on history. 

    • ThirdWayForward

      It is a very bad legacy, this idea of being inherently disqualified to serve in a particular office.

      What was galling in the 2008 primaries was that Hillary turned around and tried to use the “unqualified” argument against Obama and Edwards in the primary debates.And there was this perception that she and her supporters felt she was entitled to the Democratic nomination.With the exception of Sarah Palin, who really is completely incompetent and unqualified, just about everyone else running for President and Vice-President within memory has been capable of taking on the job, whatever you think of their politics.Whenever I hear someone invoke that argument, especially as a primary justification, I see it as a sign of lack of a better reason for voting for them. They lose my vote immediately.

  • nj_v2

    One of the guests: “She now knows every subject on earth from being at the State Dept.”

    Again, i say, WTF??!!

    I tuned in late, but it appears i didn’t miss anything.

  • sickofthechit

    If Chelsea delivers a grandchild in the coming months you can forget about Hilary running for President.

  • maraith

    Driving to New Hampshire the dy before the 2008 primary, I heard on this very show several press reps (all male) and one said, “if she wants to win, she has to be nicer to the press.” That’s a huge conversation right there (and it made me switch from Obama to Hillary) about the role of the press. My question: what’s her relationship with the media now?

  • Jeanne Gallagher

    Hillary Clinton should not become President. Every single decision  would be made in the shadow of Bill Clinton’s legacy. Her administration would inevitably ask: How does this compare with what we did back then? How does this reflect on Bill? What does Bill think about this? We need a President who does not come with baggage and who works for the good of the country, not the good of a former President’s legacy. Also, it seems a bit third-world/dictatorial to have a wife take over (think Imelda Marcos). The next President should not be named Clinton, Bush, or Kennedy–enough with the dynasties.

  • Linda s.

    Winfrey’s endorsement of Obama as t kiss of death to Clinton’s campaign.

  • 228929292AABBB

    Why would this woman be a good President?  Because she was somebody’s wife?  Well, she was a Senator – because she was somebody’s wife.  Despite the positive effect the Bush years had on memories of the Clinton administration, these people were always an unsavory mess and Hillary has shown it lately with her hiding from hearings and her tantrums.  What kind of Presidential aspirant asks what it matters how American diplomats were killed?  One of two things happened with those Benghazi hearings, either Hillary was hiding from them by making up an illness, or she was covering up the severity of her illness.  She seems to have aged 20 years in a month, so maybe it’s the latter.  I certainly wish her good health, but either way it’s the same old Clinton legacy – lies.

  • sjw81

    she lied when first lady on her investments, and other messes. then blamed the vast right wing conspiracy on her husband the president lying to the american people on having sex in the white house with the latest young intern. she gets elected to be a senator with mainly her name and marriage and connections. really what has she accomplished? even a dolt like sarah palin got elected to mayor, then gov on alaska on her own efforts. our foriegn policy is what is alway is, a confusing mess. russia has not be rest in relations, its worse than evern. we cant even adopt now. nkorea is building nuclear bombs . our ambassador is murdered in lybia and ammb rice called it unrully unplanned mobs on 9/11, on 5 networks!…please. what does it matter? why doesnt the truth ever matter with these politicians?? 

    • Gregg Smith

      As I was reading your most excellent comment I realized it is unassailable. You may get assailed or you may hear “everybody does it” or maybe somebody will evoke the “Fox/Rush monster but the truth is the truth.

      But there is an answer to your question. The truth doesn’t matter to these politicians because it doesn’t matter to their voters. 

      • 1Brett1

        “most excellent comment”?

        Gregg’s World. Gregg’s World…

        I smell a public access show in the works; you could get William as your “Garth” sidekick.

        • Gregg Smith

          Haha, as I predicted. You can’t refute any of it. It’s unassailable and to me that is most excellent.

          The truth doesn’t matter to these politicians because it doesn’t matter to their voters. 

    • Mike_Card

      Her service over the past four years has been all for naught, then?  You are pathetic–very, very sad.

  • Gordon Green

    I like Hillary Clinton as a politician, but don’t think she should be president, any more than GW Bush or Jeb Bush, Andrew Cuomo or John Quincy Adams for that matter.  Family ties among political leaders is a sign of pathology in a democracy, in my opinion.  In a meritocracy, there should be no particular advantage to having family members among the political elite.

  • Tyranipocrit

    Hilary will probably be President.  We
    are being told this minute that she will be.  She is selected, has been
    groomed for it her whole life.  The media–NPR–is “re-branding”
    her–weaving that spell–look…

    the new black “sophisticated”–mature, wise, experienced professorial
    glasses–new look for her, the darker jacket–no more southern pastels–tat
    obnoxious Mary Kay ignorance and abrasiveness of the past.

    This show is warming us up for it.  Notice, as we hear in the clip here,
    she lost her southern accent–which is off-putting for the new democratic
    (so-called progressive paradigm).

    History tells us she will be President.  Look at the patterns–black men
    win civil rights–and women follow–always.  Black man first, white woman
    second–always (in patterns of history).  It is a natural/manufactured
    inevitability. It speaks to us.  It is expected.  She has the
    experience (within the false establishment).

    I would never vote her–being an icon of the 1% celebrity lie–and she is so
    abrasive, harsh–I hear her voice and want to stab my heart with a
    stiletto.  She says nothing that is worth listening to.  Black man,
    Mr. President, winds down the ‘in your face ugliness’ of the war–not ending
    it–just an ambient pill for us all–and then they put Madame Clinton in to
    carry on the democratic torch as a representation of women everywhere–ushering
    in modified healthcare–taking barracks transitional health care one step
    further–that will be her legacy–look at the patterns–she is known for
    championing health care reform in the first place–but of course it would take
    a man–a smart well-liked sophisticated president to initiate it–but is handed
    off to her to complete it. It will not be universal, but maybe something better
    than we got now with Obama/republican obstructionism.  It is so
    obvious.  Look at the patterns–patterns are cause/effect of
    manufacturing.  Your thoughts, your ideas, your beliefs-

    I do want a woman president. I just do not want her.  She is a re-branded
    manufactured symbol–false–from pastel southern hill jockey to something more
    palpable–they have four years to develop this new brand look and feel. 
    And this show is the seed in your head.  She is not real–she is like
    Madame Frankenstein–it makes me sick that so many people eat this crap up–its
    not real people–she is not real–she is a monster, an abomination of democracy
    and authenticity. 

    I vote third party.  I would vote Jill Stein.  She is human, real, a
    doctor, green, and authentic–nothing manufactured or branded about her–human. 
    Now is the time for third parties–there is no better time–this is the
    window–stand up and occupy your country!  Can you imagine the power of
    the future dems with the first black pres and first woman–it is one giant
    intoxicating designer drug–it will be virtually impossible to break that
    control for many years.  Left is good, but are they really left?  We
    need colossal support for third parties–for green shouting so loud that we
    force there hand–otherwise you will get more of the same falseness, the same
    lies, and you will continue to see America degenerate into structural
    adjustment, third world exploitation–we are being molded into 3rd world status
    for the benefit of the 1%.  World war 2 allowed the 1% to grant Americans
    a portion of the pie but with more players in the world America can not sustain
    that level of consumer dream–in order for multinationals to stay
    profitable–they must treat America now as they have other 3rd world
    countries–exploited–the worker must be ground down to cheap labor–no more
    benefits, no more middle class wages, no more American dream.  Fine–we
    consume too much but do not let them manipulate you like a ventriloquist–do
    not work for them–walk out–start your own local cooperatives, banks, and
    economy–dismiss the 1%, blank them–throw them away.  The time is right
    for direct democracy–it is the next step in our social evolution.  One
    person, one vote, every issue, every bill, every act–local and regional. 
    Do not let them drain your community of wealth and life–why do you let them
    take the money out of your community.  Build local business and forbid
    corporate takeover.  Control green energy locally–don’t let big companies
    come in and sustain status quos–they know local power/energy will give you the
    power to control food locally–no gm, no poison–and thus your lives will be
    yours–for power, for prosperity, for food, for lifestyle, for fortune, and
    water, clean pure water free of fracking chemicals, free of 1% bowel movements.

  • http://twitter.com/ylaenna M. Elaine

    I think it’s an insult to the merits and qualifications of the candidate in question when people decide to vote for them based on gender (Hillary) or race (Obama). As much as I’m looking forward to the inauguration of the first Madam President of the United States, I would hope that that woman is in that office because she was the best candidate for the job, rather than as a result of her gender.

  • Gregg Smith

    There were 8 attacks on US embassies during Clinton’s watch. 

  • Regular_Listener

    You know, I found it a little suspicious that Obama and Hillary had to get together for a little love-fest interview shortly before her departure.  I strongly suspect that one day the truth will come out that their relationship was a difficult one, and that Obama only made her Secretary of State to buy her support against McCain. 

    I didn’t listen to much of this because I wasn’t expecting this group to really say anything too incisive or critical concerning Ms. Clinton, and well, they weren’t.  So all the media women are behind her.  I am not a Hillary-hater btw, I have voted for her in the past, and she clearly is someone with great ability.  But I would still like to know who she is, beyond being someone who supports feminism and gay rights, and who will do anything to get as much power as she can.   

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The U.S. Senate is seen on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, July 16, 2014. (AP)

The “Do-Nothing” Congress just days before August recess. We’ll look at the causes and costs to the country of D.C. paralysis.

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This April 28, 2010 file photo, shows the Colstrip Steam Electric Station, a coal-fired power plant in Colstrip, Mont. Colstrip figures to be a target in recently released draft rules from the Environmental Protection Agency that call for reducing Montana emissions 21 percent from recent levels by 2030. (AP)

A new sci-fi history looks back on climate change from the year 2393.

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This June 4, 2014 photo shows a Walgreens retail store in Boston. Walgreen Co. _ which bills itself as “America’s premier pharmacy” _ is among many companies considering combining operations with foreign businesses to trim their tax bills. (AP)

American companies bailing out on America. They call it inversion. Is it desertion?

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