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Lance Armstrong: The Confession And Doping Now

Lance Armstrong takes his story to Oprah. So, what do we think about him and doping now?

Lance Armstrong listens to a question from Oprah Winfrey. (AP/Harpo Productions)

Lance Armstrong listens to a question from Oprah Winfrey. (AP/Harpo Productions)

Famed cyclist and famed cancer survivor Lance Armstrong denied doping so fiercely and for so long.  He was brutal on those who suggested that he lied. Brought law suits.  Threatened careers.  Called critics crazy, prostitute, alcoholic.  And then last night with Oprah, never mind.

Yes, he said.  He doped.  Blood boosters, steroids, human growth hormone, testosterone.

He’s been stripped of his epic Tour de France wins.  His Olympic medal.  Now he’s fighting for something like redemption.  A second chance.

This hour, On Point:  the lessons of Lance Armstrong.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Daniel Coyle, author of “Lance Armstrong’s War,” co-author — with Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton — “The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour de France: Doping, Cover-ups, and Winning at All Costs.” (@dcoyle80)

Karen Sternheimer, professor of sociology at the University of Southern California. Author of “Celebrity Culture and the American Dream: Stardom and Social Mobility.”

From Tom’s Reading List

USA Today “Lance Armstrong is not sorry that he doped. He’s sorry that he got caught. The worst cheater in the history of sports has come clean not because it’s the right thing to do, but because he must believe it’s the expedient thing to do.”

CNN “Not only is disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong no longer officially a Tour de France winner — he’s no longer an Olympic medalist either. The International Olympic Committee has stripped Armstrong of the bronze medal he won at the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, Australia, an IOC spokesman said Thursday. The committee has told Armstrong to return it.”

CBS News “I connected with Lance. We were both told that we had cancer two days apart on an October day in 1996. Though we had different diagnoses, we had the same chemotherapy regimen: ifosfomide, etoposide and cisplatin, powerful and exhausting medicines.”

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  • Wm_James_from_Missouri

    Any performance enhancing substance that can be proven or shown to be safe with agreed upon usage guidelines should be fair game. These attitudes people have about some substances will someday give way to a more progressive view. Many people aren’t aware that even substances like HGH ( human growth hormone) can be increase substantially by timing, what and when you eat, by substantial percentage amounts. Over the counter substances such as, Melatonin, have been shown to increase HGH levels, when taken correctly. Why would someone not want to be better by some measure, if there are no health consequences?
    The problem is lying about the use of such products. Quit lying and lead !

    PS. Question :

    What’s with Oprah ? Why does this woman have to have her picture on every magazine she puts out. It reminds me of Saddam Hussein pictures everywhere in Iraq !

  • StilllHere

    Who cares.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

      exactly.. .that perfectly personifies America. the country repleted with frauds and cheaters. 

      who cares.

  • Sandstone3

    Both Lance AND Oprah are selfish and self serving.  The interview was for him to get back into competitive sports.  She is trying to save her OWN network.  Everything about this interview that appears on TV or radio or elsewhere I turn my attention elsehwere.  Media’s continued attraction to it is nauseating.

  • JGC

    From Gail Collins in the New York Times:

    Right now you’re probably asking yourself:  What can the Lance Armstrong scandal teach us as a nation?  It had better teach us something or we’ll have wasted one heck of a lot of time talking about this guy. 

  • Mike_Card

    Oh, hell.  Why not bring along Lohan and a Kardashian, too?  Give us a total media whore-athon and get it over with.

  • sickofthechit

    Lance’s brain must have been addled by all that dope.  There is no such thing as one big lie. If you tell it over and over again, year after year, it is a lie everytime you tell it.

    I only heard excerpts.  The most outrageous of which was his assertion that cancer was what spurred him on to win at all costs.  Sorry Lance, you had cancer, but it was you who decided to cheat, not the cancer.  Be a man, take responsibility.
    Charles A. Bowsher

  • adks12020

    If I had a chance to speak to Lance Armstrong I’d say something like this, “Go home Lance…most of us knew you were a cheater anyway. Admitting to it now after all you’ve said and done means absolutely nothing. This is obviously just for publicity and completely self serving.”

  • stillin

    I’m so glad I didn’t train for years to try and compete in a race with someone like that. Can you imagine?

  • J__o__h__n

    Can he be prosecuted for mail fraud for duping the Post Office? 

    • Mike_Card

      At least male fraud; it took a lot of ball to do what he did.

  • Markus6

    I know it’s not exactly the issue today, but I heard that PEDs when used under a doc’s supervision are good for your overall health. On the other hand, I’ve heard that long term use of these, even with a doc, are bad for you. Finally, I’ve also heard that there’s such a stigma associated with PEDs that doctors avoid them. 

    For any health issue, there are lots of anecdotes that don’t reflect reality – take child vaccinations, for example. But are their valid studies of the long term use of PEDs that show their pros and cons for normal people.

    • Mike_Card

      Even though I’ve heard more about PEDs than I ever cared to, I confess that I get confused when I hear testosterone, adrenaline, and transfusions of one’s own blood oxygenated at altitude described as “drugs.”

      Having tried to look into the issues on the inter net, I’ve thrown up my hands in frustration.  Swimmers using diuretics and otc cold medicines don’t really seem to be at the same level of chemical abuse as those injecting anabolic steroids or HGH.

      And no differentiation between amateurs and professionals…

  • Unterthurn

    Lance really didn’t say who the true instigators are? 
    Who’s involved in the corruption? 
    How did he really make it by the controls? 
    Who’s involved? 
    No names were named!!! 
    Armstrong admitted to what we already learned was true. He has been caught red handed and choose Winfrey as his PR gag to make it appear that he’s finally opening up, because she would be nice and her questions wouldn’t be tough to answer. 
    You do have to feel for people who are related to the guy. It would be so embarrassing.

  • Michiganjf

    Americans are generally clueless about the International Cycling scene, thus the surprise at this admission.

    My best friend of 35 years has raced here in Austin for 30 of those years. He is a well-known, local cyclist who never went pro, but has always placed well in regional races.
      He knew Lance before Lance went Pro, and he has closely followed the international cycling rags since I can remember.

    Among people like my friend, and in the international cycling community as well, it has long been common knowledge that EVERY PRO CYCLIST DOPES, AND HAS FOR DECADES!!!

      Once doping became common practice, one could simply no longer compete at the professional level without also doping!

    It’s a reality that sucks, of course, for ALL sports…

    but that means Lance is, as my friend puts it, “THE BEST OF THE DOPERS.”

    That in itself is impressive, since ALL his competitors were also doping through all the years Lance was winning races… and Lance STILL managed to pull off the AMAZING 7 Tour wins, even after cancer.

    It would be LESS impressive if he were the only one doping, but all pros dope in cycling, so that makes Lance’s 7 a STILL IMPRESSIVE feat.

    Nonetheless, the sports community IN EVERY SPORT needs to put an end to doping, once and for all!

    … and once doping is defeated, will anyone ever be able to top the super-human records and feats of the “doping days?”

    If anyone does, legitimately or not, they will immediately be suspect… THAT will be the enduring legacy of the dopers.

    • stillin

      If doping is completely accepted by the entire universal biking community why was no statement put out by anyone saying yea,yea,yea this is how it’s been done for years. Nobody has said that it’s acceptable and they all do it…I don’t understand the total silence if that is the case. I believe it, but I don’t understand it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=54602503 Steve Holt

    Whether we’ll forgive Lance is the wrong question. The only forgiveness that should matter to Lance Armstrong is that of his family, close friends, and former teammates, whose livelihoods he threatened.

    For the rest of us, a stark reminder of something we learned in kindergarten: Tell. The. Truth. Cutting corners might get us somewhere for a while, but liars almost always get found out, and are tormented in the meantime.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

    Tom, let me clarify your statement about threatening other people’s career.

    He not only threatened… He also destroyed careers and businesses. in his cycling team, you are either with the doping of the team or you are against him.

    notable careers and business destroyed as a result of his act:
    1. Frankie Andrieu
    2. Levi Leipheimer
    3. Tyler Hamilton
    4. Floyd Landis
    5. Greg Lemond

    He even attempted to bribe his way out, including the department of Justice.

    Travis Tygart from the USADA is the only one who rejected his donation excess of $250k.

    Imagine if the department of Justice can be bribed by this guy with a small fortune… imagine what high paid CEOs who have massive fortune can do if they need to escape criminal acts… 

    This is why this case is so serious… yes.. People with fortune can BRIBE the department of JUSTICE.

    • osullivan11

      You can add Emma O’Reilly who he called a “wh%re”
      Betsy Andreau who he called a “crazy b%^ch”
      David Walsh who he sued and called a “f$%king troll”
      Paul Kimmage who lost his job as a journalist due to investigating Armstrong
      Christophe Basson who was spat on and ousted from the peleton because he was “clean”

      and on and on….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1408098372 Mari McAvenia

    Cheaters never prosper, eh? Armstrong has reaped massive rewards for his career as a professional cheater. Now, he’s trying to squeeze even more cash & concern from the public. It’s guys like him who give American men (& some women) a very bad reputation all over the world.

    • 1Brett1

      His net worth is somewhere around $100 million. He also ruined the reputation and careers of a few people around him. People will not remember them as being exonerated in all of this for attempting to do the right thing. People won’t necessarily forget having him discredit them, fire them, and so on, all in a very public way.

      Unfortunately, he epitomizes modern competitive sports and its need to protect its bottom line, and even perpetuate some sort of false hero-myth. It’s evident in the Notre Dame scandal, the PA State scandal, the various ongoing scandals in the NFL, etc.  

  • IsaacWalton

    Let’s be clear…he’s a LIAR. And a bit of a coward that he did not confess to it on the stand, but in the court of popular justice. 

    He has a LOT of pay back to give. Let him do it. Spare the rod and continue to SPOIL THIS CHILD.

    Forgiveness…he doesn’t need it from me.

    Let’s not glorify his behavior by being lax on him. He’s an adult (a leader, on a pedestal).

    IT IS NOW UP TO US, AS ADULTS TO DO WHAT HE FAILED TO DO…act honorably which means dole out the punishment and support him through changing his life.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1408098372 Mari McAvenia

      Not sure how well “punishment” works on pathological narcissists & liars like Armstrong. They thrive on attention both positive & negative. Can’t we all agree to simply turn our backs on him & get on with the work of promoting & supporting HONEST competitive cyclists? 

      • IsaacWalton

        That punishment is NOT for Lance. It’s for everyone else to see what happens when someone does this. Turning our backs IS letting him off and him getting his way.

        He can use this to raise more awareness and yes by doing so this it can be his repentance (that and paying back financial damages). 

        Turn a negative into a positive for EVERYONE.

  • Trudie

    with all the lies how do we know if he doped way before his cancer diagnosis and this could have contributed to him getting cancer…i have nothing but a feeling of disgust..I have stopped watching all sports now except high school…there is no truth in any of it anymore…we have to stop caring and stop watching

    • Jostrenz

      he did indeed start doping (by his own admission in the interview) in the mid nineties. He had already participated in one Tour (95) and announced the cancer in late 96.

    • Jostrenz

      He did by his own admission in the interview started to dope in the mid-nineties. He participated in his first Tour in 95. He was diagnosed with cancer in late 96.

  • stillin

    Guest should be a defense attorney. nauseating.

  • CatherineMP

    I can’t help but wonder if all the doping is what caused his cancer?

  • IsaacWalton

    Lance is an idol to a LOT of youth. He needs to apologize to THEM and say he’s sorry and that it was NOT worth it and emphasize that people should do it honestly. He is at a pivotal point to use his MISTAKE to CHANGE the sport for the BETTER. Don’t SCREW up Lance!

  • John Cusick

    I have a very hard time getting upset about Lance and his doping when we have our entire U.S. Financial System cheating and lying on a daily basis and our Gov’t’s response is, “No jail time for these liars and thieves because they are too big too fail.”

    Lance is small potatoes and is getting way too much “Oprah Time” over a very trivial matter within the grand schemes of lying and thievery going on today. When we get this daily level of “Shame on you” regarding people like Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein I will start taking things like this seriously.

    • IsaacWalton

      I hear you. BUT consider that there are millions of youth that idolized him. Millions of cancer patients that were given hope by his beating cancer….the ONLY Politician I can think of that equaled Lance’s popularity is JFK. America ‘forgave’ him for being what he was (although that was his personal life and not his professional life). I wonder what history will say for Lance…he has a chance to make this a POSITIVE. Financial heroes? Uh…I don’t see any youth or anyone idolizing them at the moment.

      • John Cusick

         My underlying point is that our leadership is supposed to lead by example. Lance just followed the example and he is a small cog in the large scheme of lying and cheating going on today.

        The reaction is understandable, but to give it the airtime it is getting is nearing the point of absurdity.

  • Roberto1194

    Armstrong has a ‘massive’ narcisistic personality disorder!
    This is super high functioning Mental Illness!!!
    We are only enabling his obession by continuing to pay attention to his lies.
    He ‘infected’ his team and all of us.
    Turn it (him) OFF. 
    And MAYBE both he and our society can get well.

  • Annie_O_L

    I’m not a clinician but it seems to me the only way someone like Lance Armstrong could possibly compartmentalize and deny the truth for so many years so vehemently is that he has some kind of personality disorder.  The narcissism involved is staggering.

  • andreawilder

    Oh for heaven’s sake, the guy wants to stay in the center stage spotlight, he craves it, can’t stand to be out of the limelight.

  • clementissima

    Did this creep even have cancer?  Who knows this for sure?

    • osullivan11

      Sorry. But that is ridiculous.

  • Bradachin Lord of Caliburn

    Let me start by pointing out the ABSOLUTE HYPOCRISY of the railing against Lance and the investigation itself.  Tygart, whose singular goal was to get Lance, VIOLATED his own agency’s rules in the investigation.  Oh let’s change our own rules, make deals with other cheaters, just so we can get Lance and ban him for life.  The other cheaters, every single person who “testified” against Lance, get minor bans and are still cycling.  

    Is anybody RAILING against them for lying and cheating all these years, NO !!!

    Why, it was the culture.  Had been the culture since the 60s.

    Let us hope this marks the end of the doping culture in Cycling.

    For it WAS THE CULTURE.

    Lance played the game, better then anybody who had played it before, and became the best ever.

    But don’t stand here and try to crucify Lance without ALSO CRUCIFYING EVERY OTHER CHEATER OUT THERE !!!!! 

    And look at yourself.  We pushed this culture in sports.  WE want our athletes to be bigger, stronger, faster, break records, do what has never been done before, in Cycling, Football, Baseball, etc. 

    If we did not put these human people on pedestals they would not turn to Doping to advance themselves in their sport.

    And we get all haughty when we learn they achieved their results in a way other than natural gifts.  Yet at the same time we admire models who are skinny and beautiful but turn a blind eye to the anorexia and cosmetic surgery used to achieve those desired results.  We turned a blind eye all the decades because we did NOT WANT TO SEE IT.  We did not want to admit we were getting exactly what we wanted.

    Now the ruse has been exposed, and we only rail against one and ignore the rest?

    One thing you must still admire about Lance, he took a sport that was nearly unknown in the US and made it popular.  He conquered cancer, fathered two children after cancer, and brought a European sport to popularity in America.

    Yes, he cheated, they ALL DID !!!!!  But would you even care today if he did not achieve what he was driven to achieve, however he obtained his success.

    And yet, the USADA, a private agency, who brought down Armstrong without any evidence, only through testimony, now wants expanded powers to go after other supposed cheaters?  Sounds very much like the McCarthy era to me.  

    Because now anybody who wants to make a deal can accuse another of cheating and what defense can you present, how do you prove your innocence when the accusing agency makes up the rules, at their whim, changes them when they see fit, and tells you what you can present in your defense and how you can defend yourself?????

    They are the accusers and will be the judge toward your defense at the same time?

    No, this whole investigation, while it exposed Lance as using PEDs, has presented a MUCH SCARIER result that every person should be very AFRAID of.  For the march of the USADA has only just begun, and there are going to be many innocent victims of their agenda before anybody thinks to reign them in or even put them under an ACTUAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY !!!!!

    • Jostrenz

      yes it was – and probably still is – a part of cycling and only possible with the consent of the ICU, whose former and present presidents are a major part of the problem. Any cyclist who wanted to break out by confessing never found another team. And Lance was the big bully, who even during races threatened other riders who had implicated his infamous italian doctor in court. Remember the scene with Simoni? Others were found out and punished, and Lance always put himself in a position to make him appear morally superior.

      The only way I could accept his apologies would be, if he came really forward by naming names (Fuentes, Ferrari, Verbruegge, McQuaid, etc.?) and the structures and the money.

    • osullivan11

      No, they all did not cheat. There were many riders who were clean and there were others who were intimidated by Lance ( basson, simeoni, kimmage) and ultimately left the sport.

      How can you say that there is no evidence against him….. why do you think he is admitting it. Overwhelming evidence.

  • burroak

    Lance epitomizes the current sports culture inundated with doping. Many athletes deceive themselves that hardwork, diet, discipline, and countless hours of practicing with coaches, parents and teamates just cannot compete with the easy road of doping.
         What upsets me with Lance Armstrong is not just his doping, but, his incessant lying and media debasing. And, in last nights interview he said that he believed there was nothing wrong with doping.
         Well, at least he has come clean, somewhat, exemplified with his Oprah interview. So I commend him for confronting his dope demons.

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    I think it would be wise to separate Lance the cheater from the GOOD done by the LiveStrong organization.

    Clearly without the money Lance made by cheating, the LiveStrong organization would likely be a shadow of its current size and “the ends justifies the means” is NOT an appropriate argument.

    BUT many people are getting help with cancer they or a family member have through the organization. Lance has separated from LiveStrong, we should make the same separation when viewing any support given to the organization BECAUSE of Lance’s affiliation. Maybe someone gave BECAUSE they admired Lance (before he was outed as a cheater). They should feel good about their donation to the ORGANIZATION regardless of Lance’s immorality in the bicycling world.

  • Karoline62

    Not sure if I missed something here, but how did he get away with it for so long?

    • osullivan11

      He had the best doctors.
      He had the most advanced doping programme.
      He intimidated anyone who challenged him (Christophe Basson, Emma O’Reilly, David Walsh, Paul Kimmage, Greg LeMond, Tyler Hamilton).
      He actually did fail tests (Cortizone & EPO) which were kept quite by the ruling bodies.

  • Santafe Speakeasy

    What about the source for all these sophisticated meds? It seems improbable that so much high level juice (some of it, allegedly experimental) made it out and into so many cyclists without complicity of someone or a group high within big pharm. This is the back story that no one is picking up

  • ToyYoda

    When is cheating not cheating?  In the book ‘Overflowing Brain’,  a survey cited that half the student in a Japanese medical school confessed to taking mental enhancing drugs in order to study for an exam, which means -to me- the other half was too afraid to admit it.  To me, if you want to be a doctor in this school, you have no other choice but to take it aswell or risk academic probation.

    An interesting question is whether you want to be operated on a surgeon  who used drugs to learn medicine, or an honest surgeon who barely grasps the knowledge?

     This scenario is being repeated throughout colleges and universities all over the world.

  • Laurel Jane

    Armstrong does not owe the cancer world anything. I am a young adult cancer survivor and I’ve benefited a lot from his work. In a way, Armstrong’s confession is a relief. He is a normal person who makes mistakes. Cancer survivors are often expected to become some sort of perfect zen superhero. This is just not reality! Armstrong’s non-profits for cancer survivors are still important and relevant.    

  • PJ2012

    He is not a hero. He is a cheater and a bully! When Marion Jones was sentenced to prison, I didn’t hear any support of her. When Barry Bonds was on trial, he didn’t receive much support either. A cheater is a cheater no matter what! Lance should be punished accordingly.

    • http://twitter.com/allen2saint allen 2saint

      Right. Marion, who never hurt other people, was demonized. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

    last line from Betsy Andrieu (wife of Frankie Andrieu) interview with SI:

    Andreu: Yeah, I get that. But sometimes it feels like there’s no profit in the truth, right? Would you rather have Lance’s money right now, or my reputation?

    As much as i like to make a profit and make money… i prefer to not live in a lie, play sports cleanly and be in Betsy’s camp, unfortunately not many Americans would agree in today’s competitive world of sports.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-S-Allen/1542337641 John S. Allen

    Armstrong also has made himself out to be a spokesman for cycling advocacy, but here’s an example of how he conducts himself when just riding around town — total contempt for cvivility and the traffic law. 

    http://john-s-allen.com/blog/?p=947

  • BrynMawrJP

    I can forgive Lance for doping and cheating.  What I can’t forgive are his vitrolic attacks on those who told the truth.  

  • jim_thompson

    Am not buying one bit of Lance’s confessions…he wouldn’t be there if he didn’t have to be.  He did not come forward, he was forced to admit what little he has.  He was a vindictive, vicious and malicious person to those telling the truth…right up until last month’s meeting.  Mr. Armstrong seems to think he is above the rules.  He has had no regard for those he hurt along the way.  I say good bye and good riddance to him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kimberly.w.findlay Kimberly Wrede Findlay

    He’s been backed into a corner and he’s fighting his way out by playing nice just as he fought with lies and bullying to stay on top before now. At some point you make a conscious choice to do wrong so that you can win. It’s an old story, but it’s not tha complicated and I think he’s getting more press than he deserves. 

  • Lisa Anamasi

    I have to wonder. . .was he doping before he got cancer?  Could he have contributed to his own mutating cells by simply taking in too many blood transfusions (there is such a thing) and whatever else he put into his body that did not belong there.  Sad that this is the norm within the higher ranks of cyclists.  Are there others who have shown signs of cancer from this cause?

    • osullivan11

      Yes, he was doping before cancer. There is alot of evidence and statements from when he was the Motorola Team

  • Laur5000

    Is it mere coincidence that Armstrong manipulated his body’s hormones with steroids and then developed testicular cancer? In essence, it’s possible that he caused his own cancer (accidentally, of course) and then became a near martyr for it, resulting in the creation of a foundation in his name. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/suzanne.sheldon.50 Suzanne Sheldon

    Some people are disappointed in Lance because they supported him and his organization. Now they see he cheated and didn’t appear sincere on Oprah. I read his book on cancer survival years ago. I have no interest in biking, but was impressed with his drive and determination. I also felt that I would never want to be friends with someone that edgy and intense. At the same time I did admire him. I’m not the least bit surprised that he may have doped for races, may have ulterior motives in his public confession, and even may not be sincere in all of his comments. He’s only a man. Since when does someone who heads an organization, that fights cancer, have to pass a test of integrity? I agree with the one caller that said that’s all between him and his maker. I would continue to support LIVESTRONG, as they have done great work. I’m certain his interest in cancer survival is sincere. The fact that he’s deeply flawed, personally, has nothing to do with the organization. I agree that this is a first step, and I believe people should get off their high horse and let him make this transition in his own way. I wish him well and hope that in the end, whenever that may be, he has truly gone through a change for the better. I know this must be difficult. If he never gets it, and is only interested in another win in cycling, then how sad is that? But it’s his problem. As far as the cycling organization goes, they are free to make their own judgements, which they will, without letting their personal emotions lead them.   

    • ranndino

      It goes much deeper than his cycling career. I’m sorry to tell you, but his Livestrong foundation is directly impacted by what kind of a person he is. You may want to read this article: http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=all&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

  • pauly2468

    We need more ways to deal with cancer,besides chemicals.Extreme sports,do anything to win and winner-take-all are not exactly healing or truly “winning” formulas for the “winner” or the “hero” worshippers.
    Lance got Texas to spend 1 billion on “fighting” cancer.I don’t even want to know how that $ was spent.   
    Being able to enjoy spending time in nature,meditating,eating real foods etc can lend themselves to feeling like a “winner.”This does not proclude doing well at something but Lance’s story shows the folly of desparation to “win.”

  • Wyncher

    The thing that kills me about all of this is that Lance Armstrong represents what is best about America. Once you are deemed a winner, you can play the remorse, I am sorry, I am putting my life together, yada, yada yada game.

    But losers need not apply. Once a loser, always a loser.

    So it is best to cheat, manipulate, bully and make sure you win. And once there Oprah will roll out the carpet and with that feigned “disgust” look on her face, reassert her winner status over a fallen American hero. The Olympian Gods would be much impressed.

    Rather than find out, who was the actual winner of the Tour de France, the guys who played fair and lost and find out where their lives are at, America panders to the winners and wonders why the bankers, corporations,  et al cheat to win.

    Who is it that said, “Winning isn’t everything, it is the only thing.”

    The idea that it does not matter who wins or who loses but how you play the game is a story for children – not for America.

    Lance Arnstrong has not shamed America – he is the real Captain America.

  • osullivan11

    Bigger picture here.

    If Armstrong can be “got” then all the other big name dopers will be quaking in their boots. Beginning with cycling and the Tour de France there might be a systematic trawling of big money, corporate sports….. NBA, NFL, Football (soccer to the yanks!!) etc

    When Dr. Fuentes’s fridge (he called it Siberia) was found in Madrid (it had Tyler Hamiltons blood in it) there was ~200 other samples from different individuals from different sports in that fridge.

    This might be the Tip of the Iceberg…. imagine the dirty money at play here.

  • LoganEcholls

    It’s amazing to me that anyone can still have faith in the honesty of anyone participating in a system that requires them to dope to compete at the highest levels, and then forces them to lie about it to maintain the public image of “fairness”.  Imo, the only way for professional sports like cycling to regain any sense of integrity is to legalize chemical enhancement and give acclaim & money to the doctors in their pit crew.  Anything short of that is just continuing the kabuki tradition in profe$$ional $port$.

    My biggest problem with lance now is that is he obviously still lying about his drug use prior to his cancer diagnosis, and still playing the brave cancer-matyr when there is a strong possiblity that this chemical abuse might have caused the cancer in the first place.  This is a diservice to both science and public health since the consequences of competing in professional cycling should be as well publicized as the congnitive price boxers and football players are now known to pay with early onset dimensia.

    • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

      I thought I saw him admit to Oprah that he doped prior to his cancer.

      • http://blog.greywolf.ro/ Radu Dumitrescu

        He did.

  • crw

    Lance Armstrong has raised ZERO dollars for cancer research. At least one caller who identified himself as a cancer survivor and an endurance athlete said that what he liked about Lance as that he “contributed 100s of millions of dollars to cancer research.”  This is not true.  The Livestrong Foundation does not fund cancer research.  It provides support and inspiration to cancer patients and their families using Lance Armstrong’s life as a role model.  These support groups and inspiration may or may not be useful, but it IS NOT research or working toward a cure for cancer.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Screw him. He’s a cheat and a liar and he viciously attacked anyone who tried to bring out the truth. He’s no better than a vulture capitalist or wall st CEO. I think he’d be a great fit at Bane Capital.

    Lance wants to do triathlons and masters swimming now. I think he’d like a clean shot at participating. I’m a masters swimmer and no doubt Lance is faster than me, clean or doped, but I’d rather not be in the same pool with him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.cavanaugh.5 Paul Cavanaugh

    Who is Lance trying to fool again, going on Oprah for what? To tell us what was going to come out anyway. Again, he is doing this for the money and the power. Does anyone know what he received for doing this half witted interview.?

  • featherojo

    performance-enhancing drugs…Is Elvis nothing?

    my neighbor, a musician  had an interesting observation last night

    D: What’s the name of that bike-rider who did drugs and is losing all his medals?

    Me: Oh, Lance Armstrong?

    D: Well, I don’t understand this performance-enhancing drugs deal they have against him… How can they tell
    him he is nothing just because he did some drugs to help him ride? Is Elvis nothing?

    Me: What?

    D: Elvis? Don’t tell me his performances were not drug-enhanced…

    Me: Well, you are right–Drug enhancement can be mental, not just physical… and lots of artists…

    D: All of them …

    and he launched into a long list of his favorites.. I told him I liked  his observation and was going to post it on Facebook….

  • JGC

    I read that Armstrong insisted he had not used doping after 2005, which strangely coincides with being just beyond the statute of limitation for criminal prosecution. (He will still be facing civil lawsuits, most likely.)  It is absolutely clear he is lying about this as well, to avoid criminal penalties. 

  • http://twitter.com/allen2saint allen 2saint

    Hey, let’s simple things up for those of us who are a little less sophisticated. Lied for over ten years. Cheated over ten years. Accepted millions of dollars in prizes and fame based on that cheating and lying. Destroyed those who opposed him. Gave hope to millions of cancer patients based on those lies. Only when caught does he publicly confess. And when he does so it is a media event clearly orchestrated not to set things right, but to attempt to resurrect hopes of a continuation of his public career. Is there a sympathetic aspect of this story that the average person is not able to see?

    • brettearle

      Only that we might literally try to face up to our own shortcomings, rather than to simply make Armstrong a pariah and a national scapegoat.

      Call it moralistic all you want–but how many of us haven’t:

      Lied?

      Cheated?

      Spread malicious gossip that has destroyed other people’s reputations [which Armstrong did do, in his web of deceit]?

      Calling ourselves to account in no way diminishes Armstrong’s behavior.  It only expands our own awareness about how we, as human beings, can improve in our own personal lives.

      I’m not Christian–but, to me, these words apply….

      He who cast the first stone….

      • http://twitter.com/allen2saint allen 2saint

        I can’t see how human frailties, which of course are universal, are relevant to this story. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone made millions in money and fame by engaging in a decade long campaign of deceit and then, shamelessly, tried to turn this media confession into something to elicit sympathy. All of us are complex, frail people who make mistakes. I’d say he did a lot more than make mistakes.

        Does that mean he is at the same moral level as a murderer? No. But I find it interesting that people are so ready to defend him, pointing out human foibles, when they’d spit on a junkie on the street. You didn’t pay the price like the people he destroyed. I think of them.

        He was an unrepentant liar who propped himself up as a hero to people with no hope. That is diabolical.

        • brettearle

          You missed my point–largely, I suspect, because of Armstrong’s visibility, expertise, humanitarian efforts, athletic talent, clout, success, and because of his web of complex deceit.

          I am not EXONERATING him IN THE LEAST.

          He’s a first class jerk. 

          But he’s NOT THE ONLY ONE.

          Indeed, many of us HAVE BEEN FIRST CLASS JERKS–even if we did not prop ourselves up, “as a hero to people with no hope”.

          It’s that Armstrong is a very visible target with fame, wealth, and achievement.

          Simply because many of us operate on a less visible scale, with less admirable qualities that might be less extolled by society, in no way exonerates us.

          My guess is that, as we speak, thousands of men and women, who have wreaked havoc in other people’s lives, are calling for Armstrong head.

          And they’re doing it…..without looking at their own character failures.

          My guess is that you will greet my comment with a THUD of a silence….

          To deny one’s own problems is the key issue, here…..this denial is simply an issue that is subtler and not readily apparent to the Armstrong pariah syndrome.

          Many of us practice similar behaviors–only they’re on a smaller scale or in a different way.

          That doesn’t mean we can’t look at our own lives–when we confront this kind of outrageous behavior in a public figure.

          • http://twitter.com/allen2saint allen 2saint

            Well, predicting my response is one way to try to immunize yourself from the typical one upmanship that occurs on the internet. Not what I’m about. Hypocrisy is definitely a huge issue in this( US) culture and is exacerbated my this weird thing called the internet, where you and I can argue and never see each other.  Self awareness and taking a hard look at oneself is a good thing to do no matter who you are. I agree 100% that it is, but the spotlight, for this moment, is one very ambitious person whose ethical breaches and actions were on a collosal scale. Am I like him in some corner of my heart? Maybe. But he took the risk to become a public figure and, in fact, courted fame on a grand scale, so unfortunatley for him, he pays the price publicly. That’s Ashbrook’s editorial choice to do a story just on Armstrong and that’s where my comment is directed.

          • brettearle

            Sarcasm aside,

            Sincerely….

            Your comment is one of the more cogent, insightful responses I’ve received, on the entire web site, for any criticism I’ve leveled at any commenter.

            Well-said.

          • http://twitter.com/allen2saint allen 2saint

            Thank you so much!

  • JGC

    JGC, Armchair Psychiatrist:  I see a certain mirror image between Jerry Sandusky and Lance Armstrong.  They both have narcissistic personality disorders, although expressed in drastically different ways (Sandusky: child abuse; Armstrong: some kind of bizarre competitive syndrome where he must be on top at all costs).  Both used charitable foundations that they started as a means of gaining access to their genuine, selfish desires. 

  • 2Gary2

    Who gives a rip about some d-bag like this?  Talk about trash radio.  On point has sunk to a new low.

    • Gideon Schultz

      i dont like your comment.  And, that all ill say.  If you want to be a troll, then go to yahoo pages.  Here you can state how you feel a bit more articulately

    • ranndino

      Sorry to be blunt, but you’re an idiot. 28 million people watched the Oprah interview. This is a major news story.

      • 2Gary2

         then there are 28 million low information fools who watch crap like this in between the kardashian crap that are part of why this country is the way it is.etc

        We have 25% of children living in poverty, wall street crashed the economy and all Tom can play is utter worthless mindless crap like some overpaid d-bag bicycle rider.  really?

        • ranndino

          Settle down, Beavis. Of all people Tom spends a ton of time on all the important issues.

  • Mike_Card

    Speaking of things no one cares about, I hear the OWN is offering to carry NHL hockey games for the remainder of the season–the NHL only has to pay OWN $100 million.

  • Prairie_W

    Although he was an Austinite and (way back then) a neighbor, I don’t know him and don’t really have a dog in this fight over how much punishment he deserves.  For the most part, I agree with those that we have much bigger problems than Lance Armstrong, serial cheater.

    But — maybe because I was living in Austin — I got to know a lot about his bout(s) with cancer and what he did to pull through, including the intake of myriad chemicals. In view of what I learned, I wouldn’t blame him for getting used to depending on chemicals for survival, for “winning the battle.” That he went on to chemicals in order to achieve extraordinary performance in his sport “battles” seems almost inevitable, given what he’d been through.  Way back in my little lizard brain I’m pretty damn sure quite a few cyclists and other sports stars have been doing the same thing for years.  And many of them have never been caught and may never be pursued the way Armstrong has been.

    Armstrong may be more useful as a symbol of how we find ways to punish individuals for letting us down while avoiding any effort to punish the perps who are seriously dangerous. Lance? Easy!  Our financial system or our elections? Uh… I’m busy.

  • 2Gary2

    anyone who gives 2 shits about this crap needs to get a life.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3NBNSW75TXM3PPX5KQWBRGXOC4 sneaky pete

    Justice would be paying back the people he wrongly cost legal fees to protect himself.Andreu’s,Emma Thompson,Steve(bike mechanic)Greg Lemond.List goes on.Bully+close to evil.

  • stillin

    I finally actually watched the interview, and O.K. this is a very, disturbed man, yes. I think his objective for being interviewed was simply a plea for employment down the road. That’s how I read it, he had no choice given what so many people know of him now. I am glad I am not him.

  • Laur5000

    Are Armstrong’s actions indicative of a sociopathic personality disorder? 

  • Sy2502

    Lance isn’t sorry because he, unlike many wide eyed, naive Americans, actually knows how pervasive and common practice doping really is in elite sports. Sorry if this shatters the all-American dream that “if you only work hard enough, you can get anything you want”. Lance The Loser wouldn’t have got fat juicy contracts with Nike and all the other sponsors, and Americans wouldn’t have given Lance The Loser the time of day. So he isn’t sorry because he knows the real hypocrites here are those who want a Lance The Winner but then give him crap for how he won. 
    Wake up people, there aren’t elite athletes that dope and those that don’t. There’s those who get caught and those who don’t.

    • ranndino

      100% true. 

  • drjones2012

    Who cares?

    • ranndino

      Considering that over 28 million watched his Oprah interview a lot of people. Believe it or not the NFL isn’t the only sport people around the world care about.

  • ranndino

    It’s good that this lying, cheating, manipulating, bullying a-hole finally admitted some of what he did. However, if anyone thinks that not all pro athletes dope in some way you’re incredibly naive. The pressure to compete with the best at that level is so enormous & so much money is on the line that everyone does it.

    • Sy2502

      The Tour De France specifically has been known for years to be entirely overrun by doping. Lance isn’t sorry he did what everyone else did. He’s just bummed that he’s the only one getting in trouble for it. And I can’t really blame him.

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