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Fracking for natural gas booms on. But it uses and pollutes a lot of water. We’ll look at the push to reduce, reuse, and recycle “frack water.”

In this Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2012 photo, oil field workers drill into the Gypsum Hills near Medicine Lodge, Kan. An emerging oil boom has been sparked by modern technologies using horizontal drilling and a technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” to coax out oil and gas. The potential production from the Mississippian Lime formation here - and its impact on domestic energy supplies - remains uncertain. But the use of the technology to unlock energy supplies previously unavailable in the United States is now in play in places like Pennsylvania, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana. (AP)

In this Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2012 photo, oil field workers drill into the Gypsum Hills near Medicine Lodge, Kan. An emerging oil boom has been sparked by modern technologies using horizontal drilling and a technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” to coax out oil and gas. The potential production from the Mississippian Lime formation here – and its impact on domestic energy supplies – remains uncertain. But the use of the technology to unlock energy supplies previously unavailable in the United States is now in play in places like Pennsylvania, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana. (AP)

Big talk lately about the United States emerging as an energy superpower.  Bigger than Saudi Arabia!  But at the heart of that is fracking, and fracking has issues.  A big one is water.  Hydraulic fracturing – “fracking” – take lots and lots of fresh water.  Billions of gallons.

And makes it dangerous and unusable for drinking, for farming – for anything really but more fracking.  This at a time of drought.  A time when the Missouri and Mississippi rivers are fighting for water.  Could we recycle this problem away?

This hour, On Point:  getting real on our fresh water and fracking.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Russell Gold, energy reporter for the Wall Street Journal.

Eli Gruber, founder, chairman and CEO of Ecologix Environmental Systems, a wastewater treatment company specializing in hydraulic fracturing, municipal wastewater treatment and industrial wastewater.

Rob Jackson, professor of environmental sciences and biology at Duke University’s Nicholas School of the Environment.

Anthony Ingraffea, professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering at Cornell University.

From Tom’s Reading List

Bloomberg “Brent Halldorson, chief operating officer of Fountain Quail Water Management LLC, discusses his company’s management of water used by natural gas companies in hydraulic fracturing. As local and federal regulators raise questions about potential pollution from drilling operations, U.S. oil and gas producers are turning to water service companies like Quail Water Management to improve their handling of the millions of gallons of fluids involved in an average well.”

Wall Street Journal “From energy industry giants Halliburton Corp. HAL +1.20% and Schlumberger Ltd. SLB +1.38% to smaller outfits such as Ecologix Environmental Systems LLC, companies are pursuing technologies to reuse the “frack water” that comes out of wells after hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking”—the process of using highly pressured water and chemicals to coax oil and gas out of shale-rock formations.”

Akron Beacon Journal “Sometimes it’s referred to as “residual waste,” more frequently “brine.” Most people know brine as a table salt solution. The ocean is brine. However, most inorganic compounds that are soluble are salts. It is a mistake to think any naturally formed brine has only the properties of a sodium chloride solution. It may be far more corrosive, poisonous or concentrated.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.kollars Chuck Kollars

    It seems much disagreement springs from different meanings of “fracking”. To professionals, it’s just the one specific operation of inducing cracks in a rock formation. But to laymen, it’s the whole thing, including drilling and lining the well and installing pipe and so forth.

    If I saw an oil company truck, then my tap water lit on fire, “fracking is bad”. Attempts to explain how it was due to poor well lining, not to hydraulic fracturing, just sound to me like so much lawyerese hair-spliting. My tap water lit on fire -> you’re a hobgoblin  …no explanations allowed.

  • Wm_James_from_Missouri

    Here are 3 new water cleaning techniques discovered recently !

    On page 38 of this month’s Scientific American, Dec. 2012, there is an article called “ Water Purified with Oil; A simple chemical trick could clean waste water much less expensively”

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    Also, Rice University has developed a device to turn solar energy into steam. It will also perform sanitation and water-purification.

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    http://www.kurzweilai.net/rice-unveils-super-efficient-solar-energy-technology?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Weekly+Newsletter+Plain+Text&utm_campaign=e354e972be-UA-946742-1&utm_medium=email

    Of course, my favorite is the idea I posted some time ago from MIT, they are using Graphene sheets to filter liquids.
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    http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/graphene-water-desalination-0702.html

  • ttajtt

    Washington D.C. quake?  Indian Ocean wave?  some before them?  wheres next? science = petri dish or tube, observe or epidemic,      it can’t be better then doping a test bomb in our back yard?   mars is that really “GOOD NEWS”

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       The Indian Ocean tsunami and the Japanese tsunami were the result of plate tectonics, not fracking.

      • ttajtt

        Yea, i heard that too.  AARP

  • Expanded_Consciousness

    Try Viagra. Oh wait…I read the title of this program too quickly.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      The word was used in Battlestar Galactica to mean exactly that.

    • nj_v2

      Given the way they’re giving it to us, i think plenty of alcohol and lubrication may be what’s needed.

  • RolloMartins

    For me the question comes down to do you trust gas companies (and the gov’t to regulate the safety of drilling)? What sane individual would state yes?

  • RolloMartins

    How many wells have been drilled by now? Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands? And they’re just now looking at purifying the water? Trust is the issue, and we cannot trust these guys.

    • StilllHere

      Hundreds of thousands, and there has never been a need. 

    • Ray in VT

      A New York Times article from earlier this year says over 1 million wells have been drilled over the history of the process.

      I know that I personally wouldn’t trust a process that could potentially harm my well water unless there were some very good controls and research to prove that it was safe prior to drilling.  I’m glad to see that there are guests who look to have some good technical background on the panel.

      • ttajtt

        not only that stuff, but BNSF train co., built a gas refuel station right above a best spot of the mouth of the aquifer.   from rathdrum Id. spokane wa, farm land & west.  then they want that fuel line Cut ACROSS what land to where and did not a spill just happen ajust.  side-ta-side, front-n-back next?  is top and bottom different from up and down?

  • Gregg Smith

    I say frack baby frack but I have to admit I got a kick out of Sean and Yoko on Fallon.

    http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/video/sean-lennon-yoko-ono-and-jimmy-sing-protest-song-dont-frack-my-mother/1409618/

    • nj_v2

      I say, Hack, baby, hack.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      “I say frack baby frack”

      In your yard?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Now Drew, I’m sure all those people in Fracktopia just made the wrong choice to buy that land (or have their great-grandparents buy it) generations ago. The marketplace has determined that some corporation’s unfettered gas extraction is more valuable than these nobodys’ water, or else the latter could stop it without the whiner’s last resorts (trial lawyers, class action suits, overregulation).

        Invisible hand, beeyotches!

      • Gregg Smith

        Is that the fear? Invasion of the frackers? Most of the fracking boom is happening on private land to the delight of land owners. My yard is safe, but I’d entertain offers.

    • jefe68

      Do you have well water? Do you want a well in your backyard?

      Why is it that you have have to respond to this subject with a comment that is so loaded and lets be honest here, really not very smart.

      • Gregg Smith

        C’mon, it’s a good song.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    We cannot reduce our power usage enough for solar and wind to meet the demand right now without falling back to a nineteenth century life.  I want to see wind turbines and solar panels all over, but until that day comes, we have to find energy somewhere.

    If you oppose fracking or pipelines or imported oil or ethanol or whatever–and understand that I don’t want any of those to be permanent solutions–what’s your answer for our energy needs right now?

    • ttajtt

      ! walk more.
      2 ate drank for right cloth wear. not a long liver type of person. 
      3 city bills police – library – EMT – Fire – streets, should not be cut, but charges raise$? not for/to lawyers… 
      4 school all year, start at 6, 17 collage basics, 20 the dumd years.  not a teen are adult, and two teachers, 
      5 college, military, own business.
      6 the country should have a year of food for us it store. (dry veg. – meats) none GMO…
      7 i see nothing wrong with living like amish ma & pa standard, or city cave dwellings.
      8 cut back on ruff kids sports (injurys’ last a life time).  no break – vacation – drink off.
      9 i would say kinder-n-nicer to each other. without your back head eye coming on.  look at chinese city dwelling workings.  cause me, my self & i said we aint doing it all, snotty.  

      • Flytrap

         People would rather take buses now than walk 1/2 mile and you think people are going to start milking their own cows?  Why don’t we just put fairy dust on everyone so they can fly!!!

    • nj_v2

      Mr. Camp keeps raising the red-herring scenario of “falling back to a nineteenth century life [sic]” as his go-to argument against controlling the pollution that results from our energy-intensive, polluting lifestyle. 

      Much of Europe has half the per capita energy use of the U.S., and, somehow i doubt that folks in Switzerland and Denmark are all riding horses and pooping in outhouses.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        There is something amiss when the get-go starter on this program is “more consumption means more commerce, so more consumption is good”. Everyone in the mainstream media seems to be rooting for the American extractive energy industry to do more.

        Where did the idea of “conservation is barrel #1″ disappear to?

      • TomK_in_Boston

        Yeah, but they’re all dying from socialized medicine….oh wait, they live longer then we do.

        I thought the goal of the right WAS “falling back to a nineteenth century life”, with an economy of plutocrats and peasants and superstition replacing science.
        OK, I know, I know, it’s really more like a 13′th century life.

        Let’s see, “better fracking”, “clean coal”, what will be next – non-radioactive nucYOUler waste? :)

        • nj_v2

          I believe Mr. Camp is of “libertarian” persuasion (not exactly “the right”). More convoluted, but just as silly.

          I await his twisted rationale that attempts to justify his personal right to burn ancient plant matter even though the process that delivers it to him causes significant harm to others.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Sorry, my mistake.

            Just as “my right to swing my fist stops at you nose” I would hope the “libertarians” would agree that the right to put more CO2 in the atmosphere and put methane in the drinking water stops….somewhere?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Fracking has issues?  True, but only so long as we understand what “issues” means.  The word refers to something emitted or sent out.  Issue is not a synonym for problem.

    • sickofthechit

       Gregg, you need to read further than the first definition in the Dictionary to understand words in the English language.   #3 a result, consequence, #6 a point matter or question to be disputed or decided.  From Webster’s New World.

    • ttajtt

      is this a enhancement interrogation 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    “Brine”? That’s hilarious. Glad I don’t live near this toxic dump in the making.

    Really, do these companies have their “clapping dolphin” image ads running on TV already?

  • Yar

    Is fracking the new low cost method of hazardous waste disposal?  Are some chemicals only in the mix for the purpose of disposal and not to aid in gas extraction?  I believe every injection well should identify all substances put into the earth.  Regulation can’t be effective if substances put into the environment are considered trade secrets.  The industry should prove any substance injected benefits extraction, and doesn’t have environmental impact.  States don’t have the ability to regulate the industry on their own.  Money has corrupted many state regulatory systems.  This is a industry that the EPA was designed to manage.  It should not matter if a well is on a Indian reservation or in a city, environmental damage should not be allowed.

    I have seen several booms and busts in the oil and gas industry.  The age of the Cadillacs are indicators of the last boom.  We are in for a real shock as utilities switch to natural gas, after the infrastructure is built, demand becomes fixed and price can rise to levels that will put our economy at risk.  Energy is the basic unit of growth, we are in for hard times because we won’t invest in technologies to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/nicolemaniez Nicole Suzi Maniez

    I am in awe at the lack of foresight that our nation has when it comes to energy. We should not be exploiting options that are not sustainable and that turn a very basic natural resource, CLEAN WATER, which we know will become more and more in high demand, into waste. As a nation, our culture needs to change our excessive energy consumption. It is clear that humans can live happy and healthy with less – maybe the Minimalist will give us the answer?
    When we find that a “new” technology brings with it sustainability issues, we should turn our investments and “energy” to new ideas + research. I believe there are enough creative, intelligent, compassionate people in this nation to create sustainable energy options.

  • DrewInGeorgia

    Will we figure out that a buck over ice won’t prevent dehydration before drinkable water goes the way of the Dinosaur?

    Water scarcity.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Okay, I’ve wracked my brain and can’t figure out what “a buck over ice” means. Is it about Bambi sliding around on that frozen pond?

      • DrewInGeorgia

        lol

        Would you want a dirty dollar over tainted ice to drink if you were dying from dehydration? You can have my glass, buck and all.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Okay, now I get it.

  • John Drinane

    Water is the our most precious recourse and we are squandering it! We need to move away from fossil fuels especially ones that ruin our drinking water. Also I watched a documentary called “Gas Land” the other day. Scary stuff.

  • nj_v2

    At the end of the Era of Cheap Fossil Fuel, we are as desperate addicts, stumbling down the street, looking for the next person we can rob to maintain our addiction.

    Unable and unwilling to address the fundamental structural issues which lead to our profligate energy use, we prowl the globe in search of every last bit of ancient sunlight to fuel an unsustainable society, assuming technology will somehow save our butts.

    In marked contrast to some countries where those lunatic, evil socialists see the larger issues…

    [[ http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-29/france-to-keep-shale-ban-until-fracking-alternative-emerges

    “Hydraulic fracturing is and will remain banned and currently it’s the only way to produce shale gas,” Batho said today. “Debate is now centered on a technology that doesn’t exist right now to my knowledge. A new technique hasn’t yet been demonstrated.” ]]

    …here in the United Corporte States of Profit, the extractive industries have, for the most part, subverted most effective controls on yet another industrial process which can pollute large tracts of land and ruin lives for the temporary gain of a few.

    Not only do we not have technologies in place to safeguard health and the environment, the “regulators”—largely coopted by the industry— don’t even know how much gas is currently being produced:

    [[ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/fracking-output_b_1900810.html

    "It was a major flaw, and suddenly the searing spotlight of the media honed in on questions about whether regulators were keeping accurate track of how much gas the wells in their state really produce. How could they overlook such a massive error? Can the public be sure that the updated tally gives an accurate picture of how these wells are performing?" ]]

    Even worse, the “estimates” of the total energy available from these desperate measures (shale gas, tar sand, etc.) are desperately hyped by those who will profit from this desperate “gold rush.”

    As the previous article and others (http://petroleumtruthreport.blogspot.com/
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2011/12/is_there_really_100_years_worth_of_natural_gas_beneath_the_united_states_.html
    point out, the actual amounts of fuel in these reserves are likely, at best, to be only a few decades worth of supply at current consumption rates, not the 100-plus years the corporate hacks and profiteers would have us believe.

    Production from any given well declines quickly after the few years, then drops to a point where the well is useless, necessitating the constant drilling of new wells.

    Then there’s the earthquake threat. Even done “safely,” with less polluting chemicals, recycling frack water, etc., mounting evidence indicates that shredding the earth’s mantle with an extensive network of tunnels destabilized it enough to lead to more earthquakes:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-12/earthquake-outbreak-in-central-u-s-tied-to-drilling-wastewater.html

    http://www.livescience.com/22151-fracking-earthquakes-fluid-injection.html

    Citizens can still stop this madness if they organize on the local level to fight the corporate powers that push this agenda, but it’s going to be a hard, ongoing battle.

    • sickofthechit

      Thank you for your comment, very cogent, very timely and I predict will not be addressed on today’s program (though I did join late).

      It’s enough for me to know who is involved, and that “fracking” actually fractures the earths sub-structure. It doesn’t take to big a leap to say that we are undermining or possibly damaging the actual structure of the earth, and oh yeah, let’s use fresh water that can never be used for anything again.

      Wake up America! We live on a limited resource in the middle of nowhere. If we only plan on being here another 50-100 years then frack away, if instead you recognize the longer term then this is a perilous track to embark upon.

      • nj_v2

        Thank you for your kind comment.

        And, yes, sadly, OnPoint continues to miss some of the larger, overarching issues on subjects they talk about, as they again did today.

        I did not hear mentioned how much gas there likely is (likely a few decades worth), and then what? 

        Add up all resources spent on squeezing carbon from the earth’s crust, mitigating the damage from that, dealing the the climate change all that causes… all of that is money and energy diverted from retooling the broader, energy-gobbling societal infrastructure, and from developing more sustainable energy sources.

        It’s the same thing when they cover economic issues, and they take as given the “growth” assumptions inherent in most economic discussions. I and some others, continue to plead for at least one, just one, program on steady-state economics, which attempts to recognize and deal with the absurdity of the continued acceptance and reliance on growth-model economics in a world of limited (or declining) resources.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Howard-Switzer/587152011 Howard Switzer

          yes, well PBS has long been considered capital’s propaganda arm for the intelligentsia. Chomsky and others have pointed that out.

  • jgking

    There are other means of “fracking”.  Slick-water  high-volume hydraulic fracturing has justly earned a bad reputation.  One of the more benign and more cost effective  means is gelled-propane hydraulic fracturing.  Solving the problem, is better than bemoaning our fate.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Howard-Switzer/587152011 Howard Switzer

       the problem is fracking, less benign is meaningless, it still poisons the water, a valuable and increasingly scarce resource.

  • jgking
  • TinaWrites

    And the extra profits to be made if fracking is NOT subject to “excess” regulations is one reason, I believe, that “government interference and Anti- Regulation” were such a big part of the Republican platform during this last election.  Collect those dividends in parts of the country or on tropical islands where fracking is NOT occurring, your water will probably still be fine.

    In Pennsylvania landowners had NO choice:  the fracking/oil/gas companies could come thru and put in pipelines and wells and landowners could NOT say “NO”:  the laws protected the corporations, not the citizens!

  • Question_authorities

    NPR had a story that there are 400,000 old oil wells in Pennsylvania alone.  Many are not charted.   They provide unexpected paths for for pollution to make its way back to ground water used to drink. 

    http://www.npr.org/2012/11/13/164139865/across-pa-abandoned-wells-litter-the-land

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4XAPV64P2DIZVY6T5ZY746P6GI Dale

      industry can monitor for them and then be required to pour grout into them to close them up as part of their agreement to inject and frack

  • Tricia Lyman

    There’s a limited amount of water on the planet, and very little of that is fresh water. With the world’s population exploding, it seems to me to be a no brainer that we would NOT use our precious fresh water for fracking.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4XAPV64P2DIZVY6T5ZY746P6GI Dale

      not science – the rain cycle is continuous, in areas of limited water we need recycling

  • sickofthechit

    Isn’t it enough to know that Cheney is in favor of it, and he is to blame for the lax regulations?!

  • jefe68

    Bottom line. Humans cannot live without water for more than week. In areas where water is scarce this seems to me to be a problem of not if, but when in terms of water resources being used up or contaminated beyond use for human consumption. 

  • http://twitter.com/JohnNGodin John Godin

    Though energy independence sounds nice – this is still the wrong kind of energy, burning natural gas releases carbon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1470737071 Edmundo Chaparro-Barriguete

    Fraking must be banned, period. That is not the choice. Too sad that not many people really see the consequences of our bad habits(determined not to stop using oil, gasoline, etc)
    The consequences are regardless of what the experts say are:
    millions of people being  poisoned daily. Carcinogens been pumped into our water, contaminated crops, contaminated animals, etc. Who is making the profits? Gas, oil companies, Farmaceuticals (trying to “heal” dying cancer patients), hospitals, etc.
    It is our responsibility. We need to force those fraking companies to filter 100% the water used, before this water could be disposed of. Otherwise, they most be stopped from fraking. Period. Forget about job creation, why do we need job creation, if most people are going to be dead?

  • sickofthechit

    This caller who is talking about re-using salt well water has actually found a way to dispose of what otherwise would be hazardous waste.  Why should we applaud that?

  • Yar

    Your oil man just said they only need a media to carry the sand.  So why allow chemicals?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1470737071 Edmundo Chaparro-Barriguete

    your guests on your show sound too relaxed about this issue. we all should be in a state of panic, trying to stop this practice.

    • http://profiles.google.com/vanessagobes Vanessa Gobes

      edmundo, i just called my state rep, my state office of environmental affairs and my state governor’s office.  i’m not jumpy, but i got off my butt for this one.  make your calls. use your voice.  protect your future.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4XAPV64P2DIZVY6T5ZY746P6GI Dale

      panic is not needed –  impact is local not regional. we need some recycle regs yes

  • bobnur12

    Why is fresh water used for fracking? Could salt water from the ocean be used instead in order to lessen demand on fresh water reserves? Better yet, could the brine water that exists deep underground, at the level that fracking wells go, be pumped out and then reused for hydraulic fracturing?

  • burroak

    What research, study, is occuring about “fraking” effects on the earths-underground-infrastructure?

    • DrewInGeorgia

      No Regulation, no study, no problem, right?

      Nothing to drink? Big Problem.

      • ttajtt

        one shot one kill.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GAZVT3PI63MI3JVGDYTL2N7O6I AmyF

      There are no studies, no documentation, no regulations. It’s a free for all for the Corporations. Easy money.

  • sickofthechit

    If I refuse to lease my property and instead they drill next door, who is going to pay me for the stolen gas from my property when they drill all around and explode the underlying sub-structure with chemicals and pressures in the whole area?  Don’t tell me they are able to stop the fracking at my property line.  The faster they can get it out, the less likely they will be able to be tracked down later when the real harmful effects show up.  Here in Kentucky there are numerous abandoned mines whose wealthy owners hid behind various corporate structures then disappeared into bankruptcy leaving us holding the bag.

    Period, end of story Tom!

  • ttajtt

    humans, you can not live without mother earth, all this pollution is our food strength, we’ve done nothing but change change change whilst covering up. out of sight out of mind.  as they say get over it.  

    what happened to chopping for heat, bird under digging for food, outhouse leaf, and now like ants bees roaches in trash.  we should be dealing with solar waste not nuc waste…  

    nature has taking us this far, will MARS save us or them, how long have they really known, is that earlier one really no contact?

    so much B.S. to see hear say smell a touch off.

  • DrewInGeorgia

    Thousands of truck trips to haul fraking waste and ‘recycled’ water back and forth and back and forth and…This is all so ridiculous, my fraking neck hurts.

    Wasn’t there just another oil spill?

    Why are we not covering every square inch of roof in this country with the most efficient photovoltaic material available and building an adequate grid? Why isn’t there photovoltaic paint/film coating our electric vehicles? Why aren’t we driving electric vehicles? Why do we have an employment crisis when there are great works that need to be done? We’ve got to figure out a way to stop b!tching about the expense and acknowledge the true cost of our actions and our in-actions before they bury us.

  • Frederick Burroughs

    Acid mine drain off is a serious environmental problem from coal mining. I’m wondering if the water injected for fracking becomes dangerously acidic underground, resulting in underground rock structures dissolving much more quickly?

  • TinaWrites

    Thank you for airing this show!  

  • TinaWrites

    Besides the very important point that one guest made at the end of the show about decisions about fracking and the formulation of regulations being made by scientists not businessmen, I’d really like our House of Reps and Senate to be composed of people from more professions and trades.  We are imbalanced in that area, I believe.  Of course, there ARE the sell outs who sort of trade in the dignity of their profession/trade’s code of ethics for being a “mouth” for the corporate interests they secretly represent.  

  • StilllHere

    Natural gas from discovery to burning is so much cleaner than coal, the fuel it is replacing for base electricity production.

    This is the simple truth but I’d be willing to review robust data that says otherwise.

    • jefe68

      That is one overly simplistic view point.

      • RobertLongView

        let them buy carbon tax-offsets and Frack, Baby frack, the Globe needs a glut of good cheap nat gas to keep on rollin’ & truckin’. what a long strange trip from the Quaker state to Teaxes it’s been all these years… .

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Howard-Switzer/587152011 Howard Switzer

       cleaner than coal, a lesser evil argument

      • StilllHere

        No, just pragmatic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/arnold.frogel Arnold Myron Frogel

      You forget about all the traffic, eighteen wheelers hauling water and chemicals, all the air pollution from those trucks and also from the contamination of leaking pipes and compressor stations, with methane  25 to 100 times more of a greenhouse gas than CO2.  Figure into the cost of production the cost of repairing and rebuilding torn up roads and highways, the healthcare costs of people being treated for the ailments (including endocrine disruption)caused by the fracking chemicals. Why did Dick Cheney get the exemptions from the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, the Superfund Act, the Community Right to Know Act, etc. if what he was doing wasn’t going to do a lot of harm to people and the environment.  The fertility of agricultural land is an enduring and renewable characteristic, but the natural gas boom is just that, a boom,  and dies by the end of the century, leaving desolation. All that talk about burdening future generations with debt that I hear from conservatives has some truth to it, but those same people want to turn those same generations into physically debilitated, starving, thirsty casualties of the natural gas boom, externalized costs which the green shade guys don’t have to calculate.

      And by the way, the state treasuries could never pay for all the inspectors (monitors) to oversee those thousands of fracking wells that the industry is hoping for, so strict regulations don’t do any good, and they are usually written by the industry anyway, to help their politician friends in their public relations responsibilities. 

      All the talk about balancing industrial development and environmental preservation is hot air because so called “balance” is just negotiated, slow motion destruction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ny.energy NY Energy

    The program was lacking input from natural gas industry experts. Tony Ingraffea’s work is heavily and highly flawed and has been publicly debunked on countless occasions.  

    • nj_v2

      ^ An industry hack checks in.

      • harverdphd

        ^ a liberal name caller checks in

    • http://profiles.google.com/vanessagobes Vanessa Gobes

      please, ny energy, tell me what happens when a big earthquake cracks one of your “indestructible” concrete and steel tubes carrying chemical sludge that pierces the earth and travels right through our water supply?  how will our drinking water survive that?  and “that’s impossible,” is not an acceptable answer.  it is possible.  period.  i think people in powerful positions need to spend more time reflecting on ways to operate more harmoniously with earth.  do right by this planet that supports us and sacrifices for us.

    • RobertLongView

      but we all know Dick Cheney, eh?  

  • http://www.facebook.com/ny.energy NY Energy
  • ttajtt

    how to live on stable ground, next weeks show.

  • ttajtt

    does home insurance cover this? earth cracking

    • RobertLongView

      you can’t call it an “act of God,” exactly?

      • ttajtt

        do you mean, history crumbling under our feet action, then ?  geological incidental – accidental – dam mother sometimes.   

  • GJMF45

    Please contact Janette M. Barth, Ph.D. who is an economist and President of J.M. Barth & Associates, an economic research and consulting firm. My husband and I heard Dr. Barth speak about her research on the economics of fracking at the first NY State hearing on fracking.  She authored the report “Unanswered Questions About the Economic Impact of gas Drilling in the Marcellus Shall: Don’t Jump to Conclusions.” Her work in the area is entirely self funded. Dr Barth is also involved with Catskill Citizens for Safe Energy.  She shows how fracking is not economical for any entity except the oil/gas firms. Further know that we have enough gas in the US presently, so in order to make a profit, the oil/gas industries are selling gas gotten in our backyards to other countries. We get the polluted water, air, land as well as destroyed roads, too much dangerous traffic, disrupted communities and other countries get the gas and the gas/oil companies get the profits. 

    If environmental and economic rules and regulations are put in place with strict  enforcement to protect us and our environment, the oil and gas companies will not frack here. So far we, the people, are winning the battle against fracking in NY State but our governor and legislators seem to be too frightened to totally ban it until it can be proven to be safe.

    • StilllHere

      What percent of US natural gas production is exported?

      • jefe68

        Did you not read this correctly?
        It was stated that the main reason to frack for gas is for export and profit. One would think profit is at the root not matter where the gas is ending up.

        The biggest problem I see with New York is the potential for the water for New York City and other boroughs being contaminated. The water system for NYC is pretty amazing in it’s a combination of reservoirs and ground water from up state. It’s very vulnerable to contamination from this kind of industrial exploration. We are talking about the drinking water for over 20 million people.

        • harverdphd

           Did you not read GJMF45 correctly?  “Further know that we have enough gas in the US presently, so in order to
          make a profit, the oil/gas industries are selling gas gotten in our
          backyards to other countries.”

          Did you not read StilllHere correctly?  “What percent of US natural gas production is exported?”

          Did you not reply with a coward’s deflection?

          • Tyranipocrit

             why do you sling mud?  This is a comment forum–why should she post numbers when you can look it up yourself.  nobody with any life spends so much time arguing with blunt objects.  Why dont you tell us how she is wrong?  Give us the percentage of gas reserved for America?  And tell me why that matters?  The point is you defecating in our water!  Why are you so passionate about the welfare of billionaires?  Do you feel sorry for them–what a tragedy –having so much money and everything good and everything nice?  What a tragedy havinng ten houses and twenty yachts and private islands and an army of servants?  What a tragedy having american democracy in your pocket?  what a tragedy having the police in your pocket? what a tragedy havinng the president in your pocket?  Oh the horror of being filthy filthy filthy ricch!!!  they need our support!  We should let them do what ever they want even if it kills us all.  I love the rich so much i’m about to go buy some magnums and baby oil so they can use me up.

      • Tyranipocrit

         what percentage is not?  oink oink

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  • http://profiles.google.com/vanessagobes Vanessa Gobes

    My children learn something very important in Montessori school:  HOW TO CLEAN UP A MESS BEFORE THEY CREATE ONE.  What is the point of more fracking if we do not know how to clean up its mess or even the effect it has on our planet?  NO ONE KNOWS THIS.  This planet is naturally balanced.  But we humans continue to create unbalance through our pillaging of earth’s resources and eventually, Mother Earth will spit us out.  I’m letting my voice be heard on this one and calling my state reps to make sure Massachusetts enacts legislation to make fracking in this state ILLEGAL.  I suggest others do this, too.  This has got to stop.  Don’t forget:  Your politicians work for you, not big business.  If you remember that, so will they.  Peace.

    • Tyranipocrit

       I wish that were true, but they do not work for us–we live in a plutocracy not a democracy.  we have to physically remove them from office–they will always always chase the money.  They are pigs.

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  • RobertLongView

    I am afraid fracking is a done deal here in NC.  Swing state NC just voted for the Republican candidate for governor, Pat MCCrory, and the law firm where he worked with the lobbyist client, American Petroleum Institute, but MCCrory claims no connection?  Yet, one week after the November election API began running political attacks (actually threaten type ads) against our democratic environmental senator Kay Hagan (up for re-election in 2014. ) As the API television advertising in the Charlotte market states: “Tell Hagan the Voters spoke… no job killing energy regs…” .  How can the Republican party be so worried about the federal debt and our children’s future — and yet they don’t even seem to care about their children’s ground water.  Are they genuine climate change deniers or are they some kind of religious fanatics living on a wing and a prayer?  This is in the Atlantic Buckle of the Bible Belt.  Wa hoo yah… .

    • NYSolar

      Stay vigilant Robert. Learn from the poor practice in Colorado, Wyoming, Pennsylvania. Even if the state lets it happen, the earth will need watchers, because these companies often abandon scruples in the blind pursuit of profit. Have a GasLand house party. Organize and network.

    • Gregg Smith

      Yes, we are fortunate here in NC. 

  • Flytrap

    So many chicken littles, so little time.  The cost of not fracking is more war and destruction in the Middle East and more dead Americans.  Fracking MAY lead to horrible consequences, but we know that sending $trillions to the Middle East definitely does.   

    • Tyranipocrit

       you believe in myths.  Why does the energy industry–dirty fuels–spend so much money to retard, discourage and deny alternative energies?  Oil is no excuse for war–the same people wh love war love polluting.  Pigs of the world.

      the guest on point is greenwashing shill of the pig industry.

      Why does NPR spend so much time and money plugging corrupt politicians, war pigs, oil pigs, and industry shills?

      • RobertLongView

        i believe on Faux-News, Reilly calls it Fair & Balanced — but i imagine NPR comes at it as Fair & Square.  either way it is a problem, because it gives these corportate shills credibility to push their ills on society — sort of as the SCOTUS Citizens United decision; “corporations are People” and not legal-entities — ain’t capitalists great, right up there with vulture capitalists… it’s all about the buck and who has the biggest tax-free trust fund… at least the US electorate saw the emperor had no clothes in November 2012… however it appears that the kingmakers are still clueless.

      • Flytrap

         Yes, that’s it!!  Oil industry types are evil and seek to purposely ruin the world with their dirty product and won’t let anything get in their way.  Alternative energy is an insurrection to their hegemony that must be stopped at all costs. 

        If Alex Jones was a communist, he would sound just like you.

        • Tyranipocrit

            wow! You are absolutely right!  Your wits are so sharp.  how did you know?

          Oh no, how could you call me a communist?  That hurts oh soo so so bad/  you made my little witty bitty heart bleed.  i dont know if i will ever recover.  Oh woasis me.

          You clearly do not know what a communist is.  So, let me get this straight professor: supporting alternative energy, understanding that fracking contaminates groundwater and kills human lives and the very planet we need to live on-and rejecting fossil fuels for clean, innovative renewable energies using creative science and putting millions of Americans to work–to create a quieter, cleaner, aesthetic, sustainable society–and making money doing it–that is communist!  Wow, thanks for your economics lesson. 

          you clearly have a powerful grasp of the way things work.  i didnt know i was a communist–it must have been that evil twisted kindergarten teacher who made me share my tinker toys.  She was  b—!

          Im gonna go tell my mommy–you called me a communist.  I feel like the anti-christ. 

          You are oh so right–i change my mind–thanks for enlightening me mastermind–i now believe billionaire corporations–who put money before humanity–really do care about me and they are my gods.  Yeah, Fracking!  I wanna be a fracker too when i grow up. 

          Or maybe i can just get them to pay me some money to go online and cheer the industry.  i hate clean water.  I hate my health. it sucks.  i hope i get cancer from benzene in my drinking water.  But then nothing good ever happens to me.  maybe the world would be a better place if just nuked al the commie reds.  Those evildoers!  oooh they make me so mad.  them communiss.  Errrh!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1470737071 Edmundo Chaparro-Barriguete

        they do it because we do no stop using oil, gas, gasoline etc. we want to keep driving gas vehicles.
        How many of us are willing to ride in horses?
        I am serious about this.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GAZVT3PI63MI3JVGDYTL2N7O6I AmyF

      The majority of our oil comes from Canada. You’re living in the past.

    • http://www.facebook.com/arnold.frogel Arnold Myron Frogel

      Why do you pose only those two energy solutions. As somebody here says, we could have renewable energy right now.  Maybe not in sufficient quantity to take care all our needs. That may take a little while, but we could at least partially reduce the need for fossil fuel, and if government gave as many breaks to those technologies as they have been giving in tax breaks to the fossil fuel industry for the past hundred years or so, instead of conservatives blocking that kind of change, we could have much more development there.

      • Flytrap

         The “breaks” the cos. get are mainly different amortization schedules that suit the unique need of the industry.  According to American Progress, it amounts to $45 billion  OVER 10 YEARS.  http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/news/2010/05/13/7756/eliminating-tax-subsidies-for-oil-companies/  Read the list yourself, I don’t find much of it objectionable.  Here is a right wing site breaking it down in their words, http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/about_those_oil_subsidies.html 

        If we are going to talk subsidies, why not mention the green subsidies too?  http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/11/02/president-obamas-green-jobs-cost-taxpayers-big-bucks/  The industry got more $ and much of it was lost to bankruptcy. 

        Personally, I would love to have a consistent energy source produced on site that would allow us to take down power lines and shutter power plants and get rid of wind farms and solar arrays, they’re ugly too.    On site wind and solar are fine but too inconsistent for our power needs. 

        Physics is what it is, and until something new comes along, fossil fuels are our best bets for now.  The payoff for anyone that discovers the fairy dust that will suit the greens and keep us in the lifestyle we have grown accustomed will be immense.  And for that reason, I believe there is sufficient enticement that little or no govt $ needs to be spent on research.  If you want to change the world and make it greener, study science and be the change.  

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1470737071 Edmundo Chaparro-Barriguete

          and we need to do a research how many people get cancer on a daily basis due to chemically polluted water all over the nation and over the world. Who makes the money then, oil companies, farmaceuticals, energy companies. They do not realize once they kill most of the population, who are they going to sell their products?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-H-Klein/1034580210 Michael H. Klein

    Hi, Tom,
     
    I have two questions about your show:

    1) Why can’t we use sea water to frack?  Then we wouldn’t need to use so much fresh water.

    2) You mention that fracking lubricates earthquake faults causing earthquakes.  Perhaps we could deliberate use fracking fluid to lubricate the San Andreas fault.  This would cause a lot of small earthquakes which would avoid the Big Earthquake that is expected one day in California.

  • Brady Cobb

    Tom,

    I work in the oil well services industry and my company in particular has several SWD’s.  I am an analyst in the company so i see almost all sides of the business. 

    I do hear the issue about water, but please keep in mind that in Texas a lot of the water is purchased from either a private individual or the state. 

    If water is such a concern as a finite resource then why are the prices of FW so low.  The state lets water sourcing companies pull directly from major rivers and lakes, yet they get market rates like any private consumer. 

    If the state taxed water that was being used specifically for fracing wouldn’t that in turn provide states and individuals with the means necessary to secure new water wells & water processing facilities?

    If the water is so scarces then why are the prices low enough that companies can afford to simply inject fluids into the formation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Miaisawesome Mia Bostic

      Water is a finite resource. If we contaminate even a small fraction and put it back into the water system it can cause major damage to the ecosystems that live in the rivers and lakes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sam.fuchs.7 Sam Fuchs

       Im from ND where the cities and ranchers around fracking areas are EXTREMELY concerned because their water tables are being drained to a lower limit each yr.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1470737071 Edmundo Chaparro-Barriguete

      are you aware that underground water aquifers are connected? what you pump there in TX may come into any othet part of the world.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4XAPV64P2DIZVY6T5ZY746P6GI Dale

     the interviewer cites a drought of MS river in the midwest –  the fracking is not in the area of the MS river in the midwest and the comment is not relevant.  There is a lot of water available in PA and other states where this is currently occurring.

    • sickofthechit

       They take clean water, add their chemicals, inject it into the earth, crack the substructure then they have to dispose of the now hazardous backwash in wells often drilled elsewhere.  Who cleans the water they are poisoning? charles bowsher

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4XAPV64P2DIZVY6T5ZY746P6GI Dale

    i agree

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4CWQM3DQZOEIPSYQOP2UV2VJPI Understandit.ml1.net

    Along with greater oversight when it comes to groundwater, I’m still waiting for a credible report on how methane emission increases from “fracking” will be addressed. The greenhouse gas reduction benefits of NG are often touted (and somewhat over-hyped given the scale of the challenge), but those don’t seem to include any up-tick in CH4 leakage. Combined with efficiency improvements, natural gas could be a valuable supplement/”bridge fuel” (hopefully not yet another fossil fix), if those issues are addressed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/arnold.frogel Arnold Myron Frogel

      Look, Understandit.ml1.net, in order to have oversight, you have to pay inspectors, and that goes for all those fracking operations, thousands of details, 24/7.  We can’t afford to pay from our taxes, that many overseers, trained people, and these drilling companies are not boy scouts or social workers. They don’t care whom they harm and how many lives they destroy, and if it comes to litigation, which is expensive, the burden of proof of liability is always on the victim, not on the corporate polluter.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1470737071 Edmundo Chaparro-Barriguete

        EDUCATION IS THE ANSWER< once we all get educated, ourselves, our parents, our grandparents, and our children and friends we will never agree as a society onto what is in our best interests healthwise

  • BlueNH

    I don’t trust the fracking industry, just as all fossil fuels should be distrusted. They are making more money than any other industry in the history of money. They dump their filthy waste into our life support systems without paying a dime to clean it up.

    We need to conserve energy! Drive less, buy less, convert to CFLs and LEDs. Watch your electric bill and if it goes over 300 kwh monthly, you’re not trying.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1470737071 Edmundo Chaparro-Barriguete

      unfortunatelly we, the consumers are not willing to stop those companies, how? stop using too much gasoline, oil, etc. we the consumers have the power to stop on the tracks any institution or company in the world, no matter how powerfull they may be. JUST STOP BUYING THEIR JUNK> for as long as we do not join forces and do the uncomfortable responsible thing to do we will be destroying our world. ALL OF US>
      How many of us are willing to do what it takes?

  • ImaBlackman

    Why is everyone here so anti-real energy solutions? Do you all think about how much you hate “big oil” as you pump you cars full of gas every week? If fracing technology is going to be developed and perfected, I’d rather see it done in the U.S. rather than some third world country like Saudi Arabia. At least here you know cutting edge technology and constant development are going to take place until it becomes as clean and environmentally sound as possible. In Saudi Arabia they’ll take your dollars, fund anti-American organizations, then dump their polluted oil-water where ever they feel like it. But environmentalists will continue to impede real technology advances and U.S. energy independence because fracing isn’t perfect. What should the U.S. export to substitute for the income fracing will bring, marijuana?

    • BlueNH

      You are asking the wrong questions.  You should first ask why we waste so much energy (Americans use many times more than Europeans).  And then, what can we do to reduce our energy needs. And finally, what is our energy addiction doing to the planet and our children’s futures.

      Who don’t we drive more efficient cars? Why do we build such huge houses? Who do we ‘need’ all the stuff we buy? Why do we eat so much meat? Does every parking lot in America need to be lighted like noontime all night long? Do we need a new iphone every year? Do we really need to fly to a vacation destination every few months? Do our kids need every plastic piece of junk from china for christmas? Does our energy addiction make us happy?

      After you ask those questions and answer them honestly, environmentalists will sit down and discuss the benefits of fracking.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GAZVT3PI63MI3JVGDYTL2N7O6I AmyF

      No one is anti-real energy solutions. People are simply not pro- irresponsible energy production at the expense of our health, air, water and soil. 

      There is zero regulation on fracking, zero accountability for the fracking companies, zero requirements for disclosures of contaminants and processes. It’s a land grab, courtesy of Dick Cheney.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sam.fuchs.7 Sam Fuchs

      Ok, so that means your not afraid to drink the fracking water, or have your kids drink it?? I dare you.

    • http://www.facebook.com/arnold.frogel Arnold Myron Frogel

      Sorry, ImaBlackman, but I think you are too much wrapped up in technology to recognize what is really essential for life. You can’t drink dollars earned from exporting natural gas. Water is life.  There’s no more water on Mars, and there’s no water on the moon, therefore there is no life on those bodies. Those countries, to which we are going to export natural gas, don’t care about our beautiful forests and clear streams, or our farmland, that will be polluted by the flowback water that gets washed out of the storage pits during storms, and they don’t care about our air quality, that is ruined by the 4000 truck trips per fracking well that ruin our roads, and for which the local communities have to bear the tax burden. 

       Even in Australia’s wheat growing country, they’re fracking, and what do you think that’s doing to the farmland?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/45M6THUA5O7NZIV7OFFRZ6SG3E writeatya

    While I heard minor on air comments about the environment, I heard pretty much NOTHING on the impact of fracking on animals, birds, even insects - you know, the many other species that share this planet. Fracking is violent to the planet and will leave destruction in its wake.  I cannot believe that in 2012, anyone would still favor short term financial gain or “energy” development via this method.  See the Cornell link for more on the impact of fracking on animals. http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/March12/FrackingAnimals.html

  • RobertLongView

    Thank you Tom and your guests for highlighting this “problem.”  Even President Bush in about 2004 spoke of America’s addiction to cheap oil — guess he’s down on his knees praying for some great revelation — or pardon from his sins. This could well be the Republican party’s unpardonable sin.  That is if they are true believers — otherwise they are just con men, shills and wise crackers… worthless.  Bush really believes that there is a God out there that will look down and say well done my son, America was on the road to Armageddon but I sent you down, the decider, to minister to America’s addictions?  I have a mansion for you on Mother Teresa’s street. But, I hate to tell you T. Boone Pickens gonna be on the other side of Heaven with the real cowboys — where wild horses run.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jean.gardner.906 Jean Gardner

    This was an important discussion.  Is there any way to hear it now?

    • Sheila Cohen

      Excellent discussion.  See red circle at the top to listen!  sc

    • Sheila Cohen

      Excellent discussion.  See red circle at the top to listen!  sc

  • http://www.facebook.com/jean.gardner.906 Jean Gardner

    This was an important discussion.  Is there any way to hear it now

    • http://www.facebook.com/arnold.frogel Arnold Myron Frogel

      I’d like to know about that too.  One can also google James Northrup (not the athlete).

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GAZVT3PI63MI3JVGDYTL2N7O6I AmyF

    None of this is new information. In fact, I thought this was an archived show. Has no one seen Gasland? Everything about fracking (how it came to be, the lack of regulation, the devastation to human beings and the planet) is spelled out step-by-step. Everyone should see that film. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/sam.fuchs.7 Sam Fuchs

    The real point of this show, aside from discussing some of the aspects of fracking like extreme water use and hazardous chemicals, is to keep reiterating the overwhelming dangers until people become educated of its radiation-like risks. And once the damage is done there is no fixing underground water.

    • http://www.facebook.com/arnold.frogel Arnold Myron Frogel

      And would you believe it?  Our governor, Andrew Cuomo has given New York State’s Department of Environmental Conservation a deadline, now in February, to complete a set of draft regulations for fracking in the State, at the same time that he has the State’s Health Department, not an independent, non-political entity, do a health impact assessment on fracking in New York State. Many call that putting the cart before the horse.  You can tell in advance how that’s going to come out.

      • http://www.facebook.com/sam.fuchs.7 Sam Fuchs

         Probably not good. The real Bonanza is based on the CEOs having free reins for fracking, any environmental regulation will drive up the costs for consumers…and loud yelping from GOP!

  • TheDailyBuzzherd

    “Better Fracking”? Is that The Oxymoron of The Year or what?!?

    If they can figger out how to extract oil out of the ground WiTHOUT chemicals,
    I’d be the first to sign up. Ain’t happenin’, folks.

    Kinda telling that at any pro-industry YouTube® video, comments are turned off.

    “C’mon baby light my water …”

  • PithHelmut

    We waste so much energy which proves it is too cheap. Take a look at traffic lights alone. They are timed to make sure most cars will stop the most amount of times that their driver would tolerate. Check it out for yourselves. If you are driving along main roads and you have to stop or slow down to almost stopping at anything over 30% of the lights you pass, something is very, very, wrong with town planning. I have the rate up to around 80%. Lights are also timed to ensure the most amount of traffic is held up for the fewest cars. For example, left turn arrows at the start of the cycle makes stopped traffic facing the arrow to idle longer. If left turn arrows turned green at the end of the cycle, most of the stopped traffic would have moved off resulting in less idling for the majority of cars. Now surely traffic researchers know this? If they don’t they’re dumb and if they do, they’re wasting not only everyone’s time but also adding more CO2 emissions for nothing. Pedestrian lights that open the entire intersection to pedestrians are also energy wasters. Yes pedestrians should have right of way however, pedestrians can walk across each thoroughfare as the cars get the green light. They will have to cross one road, then wait for the green to cross another. To do otherwise is to cause a lot of cars waiting, idling for nothing. There is no need to open the entire intersection for crossing pedestrians, it only means they have to walk in a box shape instead of a diagonal. This researchers must know. Also start noting the extended time it takes traffic lights to change from red to green, causing the situation of there being no traffic going through intersections for an unreasonable length of time especially at minor crossroads. It’s ridiculous and wasteful no one seems to notice it. We are killing the planet and we act like it’s ok. We could be off oil sooner than we think if we just stopped looking for a “bridge” to renewables by leaning on gas or any other fossil fuel. Let’s just go straight for renewables with all our passion and do it while we still have some control over the economy. We can phase out oil by putting a price on carbon. See Fee and Dividend http://www.climatelobby.com/fee-and-dividend/ where the householders get a big payback annually. We must put a price on carbon, if we are going to have any kind of livable planet. We must shift to become independent and to not leave our economy wide open to supply interruptions especially with all the trouble in the Middle East and all our infrastructure depending on oil today. We must do something instead of just cave in to the fossil fuel industry each and every time! We’ve all had it good with oil and our profligacy, it’s time to live within our means. However once development of renewables is sparked, we could be living guilt-free with clean, abundant and totally renewable energies sooner than we think. Don’t say we can’t because we don’t know since we haven’t even tried to try to go off oil. We’ve been doing the same things for decades even though we were warned about the effects of emissions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/arnold.frogel Arnold Myron Frogel

      Right you are.  I’m glad to see some sense put into these discussions. 
      As you may have heard, Obama has just approved HR2606, to run natural gas pipe through Gateway National Recreation Area, in New York City. I gave up long ago the audicious hope that there would be anything different from this administration, even in a second term. He’s just going with the flow.

  • http://twitter.com/Dave_Eger Dave Eger

    It’s not just that it uses a lot of water, but that it creates fissures which leak methane directly into the environment, which is much more detrimental to global warming than any benefits of it being clean burning. Anyone in the green movement who fell for the hype about how clean natural gas is should be ashamed. I sure am. We were duped. 

  • ttajtt

    standing on solid gravel too 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1470737071 Edmundo Chaparro-Barriguete

    IT all boils down to all of us doing something right away. vs just arguing. We all need to join forces and do something for our own future. We need to educate as many people as possible.
    I am no expert, but feel like common sense is necessary to make people who are the experts understand that Once we pollute ourselves to extinction it will be too late then to change the course. There is a website called CAUSES, where we can all join to sign petitions to our government reps right away. Try it out please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrea.slominski Andrea Slominski

    This is insane, little or no regulations, little or no accountability,
    no watchdog agency, no required reporting of toxins injected into the ground, no regulation as to it’s proximity to the water table,
    this is unregulated capitalism at its worst, if we as the American people let this continue, it is environmental suicide.
    Andrea Slominski, music 91390@yahoo.com

    • http://www.facebook.com/sam.fuchs.7 Sam Fuchs

       Yes! But the energy Co, will try to buy theire way to the hearts of the Govs, and especially the GOP politicians.

  • Gregg Smith

    Fracking: Even when it’s bad, it’s good.

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In this May 15, 2014, file photo, Senate Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington, during a committee hearing to examine the state of Veterans Affairs health care. (AP)

Will he run for president? We’ll ask Vermont’s Independent U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders.

 
Jul 21, 2014
Toys and flowers are placed on the charred fuselage at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 near the village of Hrabove, eastern Ukraine, Sunday, July 20, 2014. (AP)

The United States and Russia after the downed plane. We’ll unpack the politics and latest news. Plus: the latest from Gaza.

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Our Week In The Web: July 11, 2014
Friday, Jul 11, 2014

As we prepare for a week of rebroadcasts, we reflect on Facebook posts, misplaced comments and the magic of @ mentions. Internet, ASSEMBLE!

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Two Former Senators, One Fix For US Democracy?
Thursday, Jul 10, 2014

Former US Senators Tom Daschle and Olympia Snowe joined us today with a few fixes for American political inaction.

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Future Radio Interns Of America: On Point Wants YOU!
Thursday, Jul 10, 2014

On Point needs interns for the fall. Could YOU be one of them?

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