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President Barack Obama, first lady Michelle Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Jill Biden acknowledge the crowd at his election night party Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2012, in Chicago. President Obama defeated Republican challenger former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. (AP)

President Barack Obama, first lady Michelle Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Jill Biden acknowledge the crowd at his election night party Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2012, in Chicago. President Obama defeated Republican challenger former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. (AP)

It’s four more years for Barack Obama. After all the months and years and money and passion, it was not a razor thin contest. Three hundred plus electoral votes for the President. 206 for Mitt Romney. Obama takes the popular vote. Mops up in the swing states.

Republicans hold the House. Democrats gain in the Senate. This is indeed a deeply divided nation, but not a toss-up nation last night. Mitt Romney was gracious in defeat. Barack Obama called again for a United States of America. A changing America.

This hour, On Point: we’ll look at the vote that’s made it Obama.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Bryan Monroe, editor of CNNPolitics.com.

Bill Schneider, a distinguished senior fellow and resident scholar at Third Way.

Mona Charen, syndicated columnist and political analyst.

Richard Kim, executive director TheNation.com.

From Tom’s Reading List

The Wall Street Journal “After months of candidates sparring and billions of dollars of campaign spending, voters went to the polls Tuesday to decide a presidential race that has been defined by its intensity and razor-thin margins.”

The Washington PostPresident Obama held a slim advantage in national and battleground polls going into Election Day as the candidates made their last mad dashes across swing-state America and their campaigns braced for a day of intense battle — and the legal fights that may follow.”

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  • JGC

    Karl? Karl? Wherefore art thou, Karl?

    • hennorama

      Rove and Barone were just on Fox News, trying to explain why they were so wrong in questioning Fox’s (and EVERYONE else’s) call for Pres. Obama winning Ohio.  Oh well … better luck next time, fellas.  You were wrong - just say so, then be quiet and go away.

      • Gregg Smith

        You just summed up Obama’s strategy: Be quiet and go away. Do you agree or do you think he will suddenly turn bi-partisan?

        • hennorama

          Gregg c’mon now. I was directing Rove and Barone, who were stunningly WRONG in their predictions, to be quiet and go away.

          Compromise is now much more likely for both parties. Why?

          1. The country is sick and tired of Congress doing nothing to resolve the obvious problems we face.

          2. Pres. Obama no longer need worry about reelection, so he is more free to compromise on some significant Democratic tenets.

          3. The fiscal cliff is a threat so large that it cannot be ignored. There must be action, and that will require compromise from both sides.

        • 1Brett1

          So, to engage in a “discussion” with you, one has to accept the premise that either 1) Obama’s strategy is, “shut up and go away” and is distinctly partisan, or 2) One must hope he “suddenly” turns bipartisan, as he is categorically partisan now? Well, what a wonderful way to frame choices for a free exchange of ideas…Sorry, I misspoke. You characterized Obama’s strategy as “be quiet and go away.” You’re too polite to use the phrase “shut up.” 

  • DrewInGeorgia

    :’)

  • hennorama

    Congratulations to President Barack Obama, AGAIN!

    For this man, with his background and all he’s had to overcome, to be where he is again today … only in America.  Is this a great country or what?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Hendrickson/1652586055 Joshua Hendrickson

      Tonight I can believe this is a great country.  Let the reactions of the reactionaries, which are sure to come fast and hard, prove the “or what.”

  • Michiganjf

    Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!

    It Looks like Nate Silver’s map was accurate across the board!

    There wasn’t much doubt President Obama would win among those living outside the Faux News/Limbaugh bubble, BUT LOOK AT ALL THE ANNOYING REPUBLICANS WHO WERE DISPOSED OF!!!! Many of the worst of the worst!!!

    … and so many more of the potentially horrid lost as well!!

    • Michiganjf

      Ha!

        Allen West is OUT!
      Glad to forget him!

      … but damn! It looks like the bonehead Bachmann will BARELY squeek by with LESS THAN a one-half percent margin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Hendrickson/1652586055 Joshua Hendrickson

    I was watching FauxNews when they conceded the election to Obama.  I was so delighted to watch their talking heads grumpily forecast “gloom and doom” and bitch about how Romney wasn’t conservative enough to win.  Win how?  They had a chance to nominate any number of rabid reactionaries that might have satisfied Tea Partiers; I’m sure that’s what they’ll shoot for in 2016.  But loud as they are, the rabid reactionaries don’t seem to make up a large enough segment of the population to actually win on a scale necessary to claim the White House.  However, quiet (not to say outright silenced in the mainstream media) as they are, liberals and progressives seem to have shown that, when pushed, they can gather together and create those numbers necessary for political victory.  Let us liberals and progressives keep up the momentum . . . and let the reactionaries push themselves right off their own cliff.

    • RolloMartins

      Out of one side of their mouth Romney wasn’t extreme enough. Out of the other, he needed to “etch-a-sketch” to the middle to win. The GOP compass is officially broken.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Hendrickson/1652586055 Joshua Hendrickson

        Very well put, RolloMartins.

  • Wm_James_from_Missouri

    Congratulations Mr. President ! The American people wish you success in your second term.

  • hennorama

    Mr. Romney is stubbornly not yet conceding.  Maybe he just needed time to write his concession speech, since he said earlier that he only wrote a victory speech.

    [other snarky comments judiciously deleted]

    • JGC

      Maybe he is just trying to avoid any possibility of an Al Gore moment (conceding, and then having to retract).  I’m OK with that if that spares us the roller coaster we had in 2012. 

      And to the concession speech, earlier today on Talk of the Nation they discussed this topic;  all around the consensus was Al Gore gave the most gracious and most healing speech of all candidates, especially given the bitter contest that went to the Supreme Court.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Hendrickson/1652586055 Joshua Hendrickson

    Not certain about this, but I believe congratulations are in order to Liz Warren in her Senate race.  Very encouraging, getting someone with her integrity into the congress.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Hendrickson/1652586055 Joshua Hendrickson

    Interesting that not only has Romney not conceded yet (at 12:30 am Eastern) he never even wrote a concession speech!  Not only was he overconfident, he’s a sore loser.  Doesn’t surprise me–his personality always suggested as much.

  • Steve__T

    VA for Obama last nail, its a landslide!

    • DrewInGeorgia

      ‘Under-Performing’ seems to be the catch phrase of the day. It was all smoke and mirrors leading in, looks like we’re not as misguided as we’ve been led to believe.

  • twenty_niner

    The GPS is now set; next stop, about 50ft past the fiscal cliff, and a long way down.

    • Michiganjf

      Don’t worry! Romney LOST!!!

    • Jasoturner

      You’re about eight years too late my friend.  We avoided a depression with this guy at the helm.

  • hennorama

    Mr. Romney, in conceding, looks like he just had a ten-ton weight lifted off him.  He now he can go back to who he really is, a moderate Chamber of Commerce Republican, and no longer has to pretend to be “severely Conservative” which he so clearly is not.

    • Jasoturner

      I wonder if Romney will ever understand why he lost.  I don’t think he perceived how lacking he seemed in sticking to any core principles.  Four years of campaigning and he was still an unknown quantity.  I think Ezra Klein had an interesting perspective on this.  He thought that Romney was basically a pragmatic manager, and as such, the anticipated results, rather than the politics, is what motivated him.

  • Michiganjf

    Boehner says Republicans have just as much of a “mandate” because they retained control of the House…

    Republicans have rigged the vote in House races by presiding over two decades of redistricting!!!

    Boner and the Teapublicans had better learn to cooperate and help the future of our country, or they’ll lose the last tiny bit of their shameful 9% positive approval rating and finish off their party for good!

  • JGC

    Maybe now the DNC will stop spamming me for another $3 donation.

    • JGC

      Oh no! They want another donation to support President Obama’s 2nd term agenda!  Aaarrrgghhhh!

  • jefe68

    What I find so interesting is how Nate Silver’s probability figures were so close to the final results. He had it pretty much where this ended up about almost a month ago.

    I guess someone owes Nate $2000.

  • sickofthechit

    Best line of the night was delivered by a not quite “chastened” Stephen Colbert in the first ten minutes of his show when he proudly declared,

    “Mitt Romney has won the Presidency of the Confederacy!”

    I almost fell out of my easy chair with laughter.

    Charles A. Bowsher (now known in parts of Cincinnati as “Kentucky Charles” for my 20+ miles carrying a placard at U of C and on Columbia Parkway Monday and Tuesday declaring myself a “Kentuckian for Obama” and begging Ohioans to “Please, Please vote for Obama”.  My father’s home state delivered the knockout blow.  Thank you Ohio!

    Sign me, “Not Worried for the Country”cab

  • sickofthechit

    Tonight the results of this election cured me of my depression, my cynicism and my sense of foreboding for this country.  I carried my “Kentuckian for Obama” placards for 20+ miles in Cincinnati Monday and Tuesday and I know that my blisters will heal, my shin splints will lessen and I finally did my part.  I had fun, I made some friends and I will likely be back there in another four years for an equally worthy candidate.

    Thanks Ohio.

  • Duras

    It was so great to see all that birtherism, socialism, communism, Leftist, Marxist, Tea Party reactionaries, voter supression, uncompromising autocratic attitudes, Islamist, Glenn Beck, just vicious nonsense being thrown right back in the face of republicans.  Hopefully, republicans will get real and make sound and productive criticisms with a sense of history and what is happening in the world.

    I am so happy that America rejected extremism.

    • RolloMartins

      I think its a little early to say America rejected extremism. Have you seen the House results? Still, by 2020 Texas will be blue, and Arizona and Georgia. The GOP will have to morph into something else soon. 

  • sickofthechit

    The highlight of my day/night was watching Karl Rove desperately refuse Faux News’ declaring Obama the victor.  Bush’s Turd Blossom withered by a November electoral frost.
    What a lovely, lovely sight and sound!

    “They may have had all the money,
      but tonight we had the votes!”
    Charles A. Bowsher

  • LinRP

    Sing it with me now….”Oh happy day…” This victory buoys my spirit in so many ways. Citizens United did not lock politics down for the likes of Sheldon Adelson, the Koch Brothers, and the rest of the oligarchs and plutocrats. Not to mention women are in a much better and safer place today than they would have been. Grover Norquist’s “hand with a pen” did not grab the highest office in the land. Elizabeth won, and moronic Todd Aiken got his whole thing shut down. Oh happy day, indeed.

  • StilllHere

    No mandate clearly, and thankfully, the House will keep the taxing and spending under control.  Hopefully the next two years will mirror the last two.  

    • 1Brett1

      Not sure about any mirrors in the next two years, but I do hope you learn how to properly punctuate a sentence in the next two years.

      • StilllHere

        Thanks grammar police!  Did you miss your split infinitive?  Pathetic.

        • 1Brett1

          I did not miss the split infinitive, I used it intentionally. 

          By the way, I was wondering about your “mirror” comment. You have done little but bemoan how horrible the last two years have been; now you hope the next two years mirror the last two. Are you always so conflicted and self-contradictory? Or would you care to make some shallow attempt to explain yourself?

        • 1Brett1

          I also noticed you did a little bit of editing your comment and your punctuation…that’s too funny; however, you still didn’t get it right. Thanks for trying, though.

    • JGC

      What do you think a true mandate would look like?

      • 1Brett1

        Good question! Do you notice how he/she avoided your sincere question but replied to my silly comment about his/her punctuation? …That should tell you something about StillHere…

        • jefe68

          This morning the Still Here’s of the world should be ignored. People of this ilk are not interested in the idea of civics. Nor do they seem to understand what it means when an opposition party wins. The very nature of President Obama’s win is a mandate.

          Look at what he wrote. Why do I get the sense that this is how a petulant child acts when the do not get what they wanted. Then the whining starts after which they sulk. Talk about being pathetic.

      • Gregg Smith

        Let me ask you. What did the people elect Obama to do? Fix entitlements? Balance the budget? Defeat terrorism? Stop Iran from getting nukes? Create jobs? 

        What did he promise besides raising taxes on the top rate? 

        • Shag_Wevera

          I dunno, but I sure hope he keeps that last promise you mentioned!

        • Don_B1

          He promised to keep the economy improving, which will require some spending on infrastructure. That will lower unemployment by more than 1% and when the unemployment drops under 6%, as much as 1/3 of the deficit will disappear.

          He will force the end of the Bush tax cuts on those earning over $250,000.

          He should increase marginal rates on those earning over, say $5 million to up to 50%, but that is unlikely.

          If the House Republicans refuse to give on raising taxes, Obama will go to the people, predicting the disaster it will cause, but spell out what he has offered, why it is fair, and make the case that the Republicans are refusing to make a single concession.

          Then the business interests will visit the Tea/Republicans’ offices, ask them how Todd Akin did without money, and tell them in no uncertain terms, where THEY will be in two years.

          If the Tea/Republicans persist, a few months of economic decline will have the people in these “solid Republican” districts convinced they have made a mistake.

          • Gregg Smith

            Infrastructure (shovel-ready jobs) was the promise 4 years ago.We ponied up $814 Billion for it. Then he laughed and admitted there were no shovel ready jobs. What’s different now?

          • 1Brett1

            So, he “laughed” AND “admitted”…I see

    • William

       I wonder if the Conservatives will just have to accept the fact that too many people want and demand the welfare state. It is not what I want, but if we fail to embrace it will we continue to lose major elections?

      • StilllHere

        Truly a scary thought.  It would seal our demise.

        • William

           I know, but times change and either we try to control it, i.e, pay for it, or it will just continue to grow.

          • StilllHere

            Those who receive it won’t ever pay for it and won’t have any incentive to check its growth and certainly won’t support those who want to.

  • Jasoturner

    Does the republican party retool, or double down?  Will it be the party of Jeb Bush, Susan Colllns and the departed Richard Lugar, or is Paul Ryan the face of the party going forward?  That, to me, will be the most interesting outcome of this election.

    As for guys like Boehner, McConnell and Cantor, they have to ask themselves a question.  Is it politically fruitful to continue to try and obstruct the presidents agenda more or less blindly, or do they get ahead of a potentially retooled republican party, and start exercising some pragmatic compromise?

  • JGC

    Oh wow, I just noticed Mona Charen is one of the On Point commentators today.   What is the mandate from these election results, according to Mona?

    • Don_B1

      Mona wants to emphasize the deficit, as if Obama wagged his finger and created it; if she REALLY believes that, the can’t manage her own household budget! The deficit was about tenth in the list of issues of concern among exit polls.

      It is ONLY Republicans, conservatives, and the so-called “liberal” MSM that promoted the deficit issue above the need for JOBs!

      And it was PRESIDENT OBAMA who had the program for improving job growth that most of the 99% agreed would work.

      But the MSM was so blinded by stenography and process that it did not bother to put any emphasis on the voters’ issues.

  • 1Brett1

    After the 2008 election, people like Bill Kristol and Karl Rove were recommending the Republican Party move more to the right to win in 2012…look where that got them?

  • Markus6

    I never thought Romney would win, though to be honest, I was hopeful. It’s too early to jump to conclusions, but I suspect that fiscal conservatism is out for the long term. Hard to see this country living within its’ means when such a high percentage of people get so much from the government.

    And my guess is that it will only get worse. Republicans will continue to be dopes on social issues, the environment, defense spending and health care. Democrats will continue to increase the number of people who are dependent on government. And we all will continue to only see one side of an issue. 

    Discouraging, but not surprising.

    • Don_B1

      You have it totally BACKWARDS!

      Republicans have NEVER significantly reduced spending. It was only President Clinton who reduced the deficit, changing it to a surplus (which the Republicans immediately moved to reverse through tax cuts mostly for the rich) through a combination of tax increases for the wealthy and decreased spending on “welfare” which has been shown to have only appeared to work because of the economic growth that occurred in the last years of his term.

      With the slow growth during the Bush II years, that became obvious and safety net programs were improved under Bush, to prevent the devastation of the poor that would otherwise have occurred as the number of jobs were not available to meet the needs of those wishing to get off welfare.

      Democrats will do the necessary things to promote a growing economy and that will REDUCE those who are “dependent” on government.

      The PPACA will lead to healthier Americans, able to work without fear of health costs and bankruptcy, leading to a stronger and more productive economy. Businesses will not have to deal with health costs rising at the rates they have been, though more work is needed, and provided for in the PPACA, to get the rise in cost to a sustainable level.

  • RolloMartins

    By 2020, or sooner, the GOP will lose Texas, Arizona, and Georgia to Dems due to rising Hispanic vote. The GOP is now functionally extinct. So what will replace it? 

  • Mike_Card

    Will the GOP get serious and replace Mush-Mouth McCornpone as Senate minority leader with someone who is interested in governance?  He just spent 4 years doing squat–he even failed in his single purpose pledge of making Obama a 1-term president.

  • RolloMartins

    The Corporation lost. Long live the Democracy.

    • StilllHere

      There is no corporation as big as welfare government.  Its victory is our loss.

      • jefe68

        For the love of peanut butter.
        Give it up already. You are sounding like spoiled child who only knows how to whine.

        • IsaacWalton

          I agree jefe! And I keep wondering why StilllHere, is “still here?” 

      • Duras

        What is the percentage of the budget devoted to the social safety net?

    • jefe68

      Actually the billionaires who tried to buy an election lost.
      Corporations and Wall Street hedged their bets.

      • RolloMartins

        Sadly, you are correct.

      • Don_B1

        But Obama can reasonably tell Wall Street that he knows why they came up with some money at the end, and that it doesn’t buy them much.

  • jefe68

    The GOP is refusing to move on taxes and it seems they think they have a mandate to stop second term President Obama from doing anything. Even if it drives our nation into recession.
    The Democrats won two more seats in the Senate and the White House for a second term. President Obama won the electrical vote and had over 50% of the popular vote.

    The reality here is the GOP is on the decline and eventually all the gerrymandering in the world will not help them. Look at the demographics. President Obama received over 70% of the Latino vote, 90+% of the African American vote, over 60% of the Millenniums, who are a larger voting block now than Baby Boomers. Over 55% of the Woman’s vote went to President Obama.  The only reason the Republicans held on to the House of Representatives is shoring up incumbents by gerrymandering districts Democrats had little chance of capturing. The Dems do the same, but in this case the demographics are in their favor and this will, over time override this one would think.

    Just read the posts of the right wing regressives on this forum and how they wish for more failure. You folks have nothing to offer but statements like this: “ Hopefully the next two years will mirror the last two.  Americans want a
    divided government in order to weaken it, hopefully personal liberty
    will strengthen.”
      

    This person thinks Americans want a divided government.
    One that will be weaker. Then they use the meme about “personal liberty”.  This is all the regressive right has, obstructionism.

  • StilllHere

    Let’s see what revenge means to Barry and his crew.  We should all be fearful.

    • JGC

      I hear you’re on his “naughty” list…

      • StilllHere

        Is that the same as his enemies list or his drone kill list?  Hopefully he can keep them straight.

    • Shag_Wevera

      Only 48% of us.

    • IsaacWalton

      Revenge? Odd when it was the repubs taking revenge for LOSING the first time. Let’s hope they drop their partisan pacifier and start acting like adults and do the job their paid to do…make solutions, whether they like it or not. The majority of the nation won. It may not have been a landslide but the majority still won the popular vote which means we say NO to the repub ways. We don’t want it.

  • ensteph

      How long will Hillary wait untill she officialy announces her bid for the 2016 presidency? Who takes her place?

    • IsaacWalton

      Billary Clinton 2016!

  • J__o__h__n

    What a great election!  Obama.  Warren.  Historic win by Tammy Baldwin.  Marriage equality wins in Maryland and Maine.  Teabagger primary voters threw away two senate seats (Lugar would have easily won). 

  • jimino

    What every post World War II worker until the 1980′s grew to depend on the private economy to provide, including the following, has been consciously and purposely destroyed by what we now call the economy, led by Wall Street and business people personified by Mitt Romney and his bought-and-paid-for economist apologists, for which those destructive interests have been financially rewarded to an unprecedented degree, all while paying less of their take for the welfare of our country:

    1.  A decent job for anyone willing to work hard, even for those without innate academic ability (and there are a lot of these people), at a wage that allowed them to raise a family and buy a house in a location where their children could get an good education;

    2.  A defined benefit pension adequately funded by their employer, with the risk of its security also borne by their employer and those entrusted with the fund, that would be there in addition to Social Security when they reached retirement age;

    3.  Health insurance provided by the employer, for which the employer got a deduction and the employee did not have to count as income;

    This is the reality of 21st century America.   So the real issue facing our elected officials what they intend to do about it. 

    • Shag_Wevera

      Brilliant observations.  Couldn’t agree with them more.  Globalization makes a return to these times impossible.

  • BiotechCFO

    A major theme here is the re-emergence of the city over the suburbs.  The re-urbanization of America is contributing to the young/old minority/white dynamic. The future is cities – innovative, diverse, tolerant and young.

  • Gregg Smith

    This is awful. As bad as his policies have been the divisive manner in which he won was a real disappointment. I fear for America.

    • jefe68

      Oh please. You posting that from under your bed?

      “I fear for America”, that sums up the regressive right’s meme.

      • Mike_Card

        Is there an echo in here?  Sure sounds like he’s worried for the country…

        • Steve__T

           Where is he by the way?

          • ChevSm

            His employer lost last night so he’s no longer getting paid to troll these boards. 

          • jefe68

            Wiping egg of his face.

      • Gregg Smith

        Look Jeffe, gloat all you want, think what you want and scoff if you please. But I don’t write anything I don’t honestly feel. I fear for America. I don’t like saying it.

        • Duras

          I think if you got off the Limbaugh and move to more empirically guided journalism, you would feel at the very least upset but optimistic.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Statistically speaking, that’s not why people hook up to their dose of Limbaugh.

          • Gregg Smith

            I get my news from a wide variety of sources on all sides. How often do you listen to Rush?

        • jefe68

          Well that’s the right for you, always using fear. So you are posting from under your bed.

    • JGC

      At least you can find some comfort in the fact that NC went into Romney’s column and also elected a Republican governor. 

      • Shag_Wevera

        Yes, as Jon Stewart said, “Romney has won most of the Confederacy”.

      • Gregg Smith

        That’s true. In 2010 the NC congress went Republican for the first time in 100 years but Bev Purdue was a roadblock. 

        It may be a silver lining but it’s hardly comforting right now.

        • StilllHere

          Maybe some of the increase in your Federal tax bill will be offset by a decrease in your state tax bill.  Good luck.

      • jimino

        Yes, that changes NC from the “atypical”, a state voting Democratic but receiving more in federal tax dollars than it pays, to “typical”, a Republican state that feeds off the federal trough, while vehemently complaining about the “takers”.  Why don’t you use your time and effort to get your State from being such a drain on the rest of us?

    • jimino

      So you’re fearful that the Muslim, socialist/communist, terrorist-consorting, white person-hating, anti-American darkie was elected by all those traitorous, non-real Americans?  Your inability to even remotely comprehend the source of true divisiveness in our country is stunning.   And makes your “fear” laughable.

      • Gregg Smith

        Alrighty then.

    • ChevSm

      Back off the ledge my friend. 

      If we can survive 8 years of W then we can survive anything.  

      • Gregg Smith

        We barely survived 4 years.

        • jimino

          Ridiculous!  The vast majority of Americans, most definitely including Romney, Ryan and almost all Republican voters, are significantly better of than they were when Obama took office.  Unless, of course, you want your assets to be worth half their present value, your house un-sellable,  and the economy shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs every month. 

  • Shag_Wevera

    Just a word about my home state of Wisconsin.  We elect Uber righty Scott Walker, and re-elect him in a recall election.  Then, a few months later we elect a gay woman to the senate over local legend Tommy Thompson, and re-elect president Obama over Romney by seven points.

    We are obviously nuts.  Schizophrenic to be more exact.

    • Gregg Smith

      I thought Ryan would make a difference and the recall results bolstered my thinking. Thompson is an establishment Republican, I am not familiar with his opponent but I can’t see what her orientation has to do with anything.

      This election reminds me of 1996. 

      • Mike_Card

        A lot of split tix in Ryan’s district.

    • myblusky

      Well WI isn’t alone – I’m originally from IN and they just elected a Democrat to Senate, but have a very conservative Gov and voted for Mitt for president. I can’t figure it out either!

  • JGC

    Has Congress lost a slate of far right wingnuts, or has Fox News gained a new roster of punditry “talent”?  Is the moonshine bottle half empty or half full?   

  • IsaacWalton

    I don’t mean to gloat. But I for one (of many from the popular vote) am happy. And for a blue voter in the middle of rural, redneck red voter country it’s a wonderful day.

  • IsaacWalton

    Maybe now the Republican party will realize they’ve been sleeping on the job and have become less relevant to the majority of US voters. Just take a look at how many young folks came out to vote. For decades red policies have shunned growing populations of minorities, LGBT and women voters. I don’t see how repubs can change their tune without looking more and more like Democrats. 

  • GPILAWLLC

    The house is up for reelection in two years. Late next year, the President should concentrate on tax reform with a combination of tax hikes (for which polls suggest he has a clear mandate) and alternative tax breaks for people who invest in companies that actually grow their employee pool because increasing employment, might actually be the best way to jump start demand. He should sell his proposals on the road, as he failed to do with healthcare. If house republicans double down on obstructionism at that point, I think they’re toast.

    Chris, Baltimore MD

  • LinRP

    Oh no, I just noticed Mona is on. Ugh. Worst commentator EVER. 

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       I’m with you there. Partisan and blinkered (no in a binder ;) ) as they get.

  • Shag_Wevera

    What is the benchmark for a “mandate”?  I have a suggestion for one,  HOW ABOUT WHOEVER WINS!

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Remember how much W let his lack of a mandate bother him?

  • ttajtt

    should obama hirer, contract out to mitt now?   or is that less government?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YMV2HJ2TBKMCN2QRAVI3I2OOGM Jim Jim

    At least the Supreme court didn’t decide the election this time.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    The voters have once again shown their preference for gridlock.  We have divided government and a re-elected president with no clear plan beyond last night.

    The better choice would be to elect candidates who promise from the beginning to do only a few things well and leave the rest alone.

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       No, they showed their preference for the “socially considerate” direction of Obama over the “go it alone, I’ve got mine” direction of Romney.

      The really sad thing is that there was no opposition to Boehner’s re-election. If you WANT gridlock, vote for the “One term president” guy. Here is a guy who today says Obama has no mandate even though GWB narrowly won re-election in 2004 and claimed he HAD a mandate. I guess “having a mandate” depends on whether or not you are a Republican.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Believing oneself to have a mandate is a dangerous thing.  That’s what tyrants see themselves as possessing.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    The #1 issue of our time is the plutocrat-righty class warfare that is redistributing all the wealth and income to the top.

    With this election we avoided a massive escalation of those policies, but we sure have a long way to go toward reversing them. If Obama goes all conservadem on us in the name of bipartisanship it will still be more class warfare, just less violent. We need some real liberal leaders: “Rockefeller republican” conservadems can’t be our version of “leftists”.

    That’s why I love SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN. She sees the takeover of the USA by the romney types and their financial  institutions more clearly than anyone but the plutocrats themselves, and she will fight back harder than anyone.

    Otherwise, it was great to see the TeaOP circular firing squad. They got so far out in their primary they couldn’t come back. That c**p may fly in kansas, but ti’s toxic nationally. Fernstrom described the romney strategy accurately with “shake the etchasketch” after the primaries. Too bad some people have memories, huh? And they lost senate seats that would be easy wins with non-crazy candidates.

    SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN hahaha. All Scott “nasty Ken doll” Brown did with his nasty campaign was destroy his nice-guy image. Stupid, and I’m glad.

  • Shag_Wevera

    How long will it take conservatives to cannibalize Romney and hang this defeat on him ala Bob Dole?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rmg.boston Rmg Boston

    Second chance.

  • http://twitter.com/geowizard geowizard

    Hi Tom,

    I’ve heard much mention (and probably will hear mention on the show today) about the demographic story behind Barack Obama’s re-election, in particular the stark difference between his carrying 40% of caucasian votes, and 80% of non-caucasian votes.

    Something I have heard less mention of that I think may be more important is the clear rural/urban divide. Having seen the by-county maps, it seems rather clear that counties with large cities tend to go Democratic, while rural counties tend to vote Republican, even in my home state of Massachusetts.

    So is the demographic analysis the right one? Is it really that Obama was better at reaching black and latino voters on black and latino issues, or is it that Obama is better on urban issues, and black and latino voters tend to concentrate in urban areas? Or is it even more complicated?

    Thanks

    • Thinkin5

       I’m a white woman and I went to the 14,000 people rally in Concord, NH last Sun. It was majority white men and women with some minorities sprinkled in. Yes Latino and Black voters brought the win but there really is a lot of support from whites.

    • sickofthechit

       Yes

  • Joseph_Wisconsin

    I am so pleased that people when it came time to actually vote a clear majority decided that what ever disappointments they may have in Obama substituting four years of GW Bush’s doppelgänger  was not a good idea.  I just hope that the Republican’s actually take a lesson from this election.  Anthropogenic global warming is a real problem that needs to be addressed.   In fact science in general is not a hoax perpetrated by Satan.  Tax cuts for the wealthy do not produce jobs, do raise deficits, and do not do anyone any good except the wealthy that receive them.

    Actually one of the most important lessons that Republicans need to take heed of relates to something Ann Coulter said.  Now Coulter is almost always as annoying as nails drawn across a blackboard, and just as worth listening to.  Coulter has said that the Democratic Party should be ashamed that it cannot win a majority of white male voters.  Well there she managed to proffer the negative image of the truth.  The demographics of yesterdays presidential election:

    Women 55 % Obama 44% Romney
    Men 45% Obama 52% Romney
    Hispanics 70% Obama 30% Romney
    Blacks 90% Obama 10% Romney

    It is the Republicans that need to do a self examination to learn why they can not win a majority among any group but white males.

    I can’t close without saying way to go Wisconsin.  Not just for going for Obama, but also keeping Kohl’s US Senate seat in the Democratic column.  Tammy Baldwin, not only a Democrat but a openly progressive Democrat and a out lesbian, a first for the US Senate. 
     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The good news is it will be 4 more years – and the bad news is that it will be 4 more years.

    The big thing will of course be the economy – we’ve dodged Europe’s current issues only with trillion dollar injections of debt every year. Either we’ll need to take a bullet to eventually get on a better course or the 1% will push to continue to rake in wealth generated from debt until we crash. How we handle the “fiscal cliff” will show which of these directions we are going to go in.

  • J__o__h__n

    Has Clint’s chair commented yet?

    • jefe68

      It offered Clint a seat…

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    As ALL IMPORTANT as it is that Obama won, I am glad to see that Elizabeth Warren won in MA. No one better to put on the finance committee.

    • JGC

      As I mentioned earlier, Sheila Bair would be a fantastic appointment to Treasury.  She and Elizabeth Warren would make a great team to continue to tackle our financial problems.  And to give more of a voice to Volcker.  Bye bye to the graduates of the University of Goldman Sachs.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        How about Harry Markopolis to the SEC, the guy who handed Madoff to the bush SEC but they weren’t interested cause regulation is bad?

        Actually if we had to have a financial con man as president I would prefer Madoff to Romney, more character and personality.

  • Fiscally_Responsible

    It will be interesting to see how much Obama wants America to work together if and when he gets the chance to appoint another liberal ideologue to the Supreme Court.  Thank goodness for filibustering!

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       GWB stacked the deck, it is Obama’s right and duty to move it back to the center. The USSC is SUPPOSED to be non partisan and do nothing other than interpret the Constitution. “Citizen’s United” was a clear violation of that duty.

      • Fiscally_Responsible

        Nonsense.  The four left wingers always vote as a block along partisan lines.  john Roberts was the one who departed from the conservative block to not stop Obamacare.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Why is it every Libertarian I hear sounds like they’ve just overdosed on his (and I mean his) right-wing talking points multivitamins?

    • MrNutso

      Why is okay that Bush could (and Reagan and GHW Bush) could nominate conservatives, but Obama cannot nominate liberals?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Some discussion of the ballot questions would be nice.

  • Queen Cupcake

    Romney’s concession speech–gracious? He referred to the President as “another candidate.”

    • sickofthechit

       That’s “gracious” for mitt(ens)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Compared to a few R’s whose concession speeches sounded like stump speeches with a “my opponent won” hidden in there somewhere (see Akin, MO-Senate), it was fine.

      Plus, unlike McCain, I don’t see it mattering.

      This day on 2008 the MSM had to fall all over itself to call McCain “gracious” and “mavericky” and “statesmanlike” to begin its immediate “washing loserness off a Republican who lost” mission. Cos Romney’s got no permanent seat at the table of the Sunday yakfest shows, so he’s not “one of them” inside the Beltway.

  • Thinkin5

    The Repcons were in denial about the polls, about the enthusiasm of the Dems, about the willingness of women to give up their rights, about the people’s understanding of who Obama really is. The fictitious character that the extreme right created for Obama just wasn’t selling beyond the rightwing spin zone. It made the right look out of touch and ignorant.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

    I thank the Latino votes to save America from going backwards.

  • schmooey

    I am a woman Independent voter with a moderate conservative leaning. My ballot ticket typically has Republicans, Democrats, Independents checked off. I leaned towards Obama primarily because of abortion issues and Romney’s Etch-a-Sketch persona. Still, what clearly swayed my vote was NYC Mayor Bloomberg’s endorsement of Obama. I like Bloomberg very much and valued the reasons he cited: abortion rights and perhaps selecting a  Supreme court judge who will not turn over Roe v Wade; climate change/environmental; education (Race to the top); healthcare (not perfect but will help people). Now about that fiscal stuff, we’ll see. Until then at least women are NOT moving backwards 

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       You like Bloomingidiot?  Any other tyrants you vote for?

      • schmooey

        this response demonstrates the challenges we Americans face when one thinks those who disagee with them are legitimate targets for vitriolic repsonses. perhaps we need to learn to disagree without being disagreeable.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           If the mayor of New York weren’t actively working against personal liberty, I’d be much less vitriolic.  His primary concern is his own power.

          • schmooey

            Basically what you’re saying is that it’s ok to be vitiolic when your guy is out of office. I hope this is not what you are teaching your children. I stand by my statement that because you disagree with an opinion that does not align with your own ought not to be permission for vitriolic repsonse. And I would add it lessens the value of legitimate contributions of those who so do. Hard to sway someone to your side when your caustic words force up shields.

  • Davesix6

    President Obama won this election with no clear plan for the future of the nation. Or at least none stated.

    He and his supporters attacked Mitt Romney personally, in what has turned out to be a successful campaign, based not on unity, healing and bipartisanship, but rather on hatred, divisiveness and “revenge”.

    Barack Obama is the most divisive President in the History of this nation, I don’t expect that to change.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      He won against an opponent who had no plan but more of the same voodoo economics, tax cuts ‘n deregulation,  and wars that has been screwing the middle class since 1980. I’m glad he pointed out that Lord R is not an honest “businessman” but a financial con artist. I don’t want a vulture capitalist in the WH and I don’t want more attack on the middle class in the name of bipartisanship If the GoP has nothing to offer but class warfare, bipartisanship is very bad.

    • Thinkin5

      Did you happen to notice any “attacking” from the candidate and the right of Pres. Obama? Any? Any hatred (birthers) (“Obama doesn’t know how to be an American”) or devisiveness (blacks on food stamps)??? Apparently you were out of the country during the last 4 yrs.

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       GWB was the most divisive President in the History of this nation. The only thing that changed was his claim during the campaigns that he was a “uniter”.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      A rightie whining about “not enough healing or bipartisanship”?

      Excuse me while I laugh myself sick.

  • StilllHere

    The markets don’t seem to be very happy.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      The markets fluctuate.

      Keep searching the news, maybe you can find some more things to console you.

    • sickofthechit

       Maybe now they can have some certainty…..

    • Duras

      Except for the last 3 years.

  • http://twitter.com/kikinola kiki

    One think I was thinking about a lot last night was how attempts at voter suppression seemed to have energized the very voters targeted by these efforts.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Tom, that wasn’t a “pretty weird moment”, Karl Rove calling Fox News to undecleare Ohio for Obama.

    It seemed damned predictable, given the different number of hats he pretends to wear.

    • sickofthechit

       He really does wear all those hats, and I think he might be cross-dresser (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       Rove is right up there with Donald Trump on the clown list.

  • Dab200

    The New America won. The powerful interests, big money lost. I am so proud that we the people won!!! And women rule!

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Big money lost?  Poor Obama, pinching pennies to pay the light bill while he ran for office…

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       In Vermont as well. Lenore Broughton (heiress of Montgomery Ward money) threw nearly $700K into her SuperPac (it had 3 other donors, totaling < $2K) attempting to get any Republican elected.

      She (oh, not 'she', Vermonter's First, wink wink) stuffed nearly $200K into attack ads in the Vermont Treasurer's race. A NON-PARTISAN position in a state where a few tens of thousands dollars would be the norm. Her candidate got creamed and I couldn't be more happy. She sent "we can't afford (fill in the non Republican candidate's name)" post cards to every contested district. It wasn't support of individuals and their policies she backed, it was their party affiliation, they all lost.

      This is the only example of Citizen's United "doing good". It pulls money from the wealthy and spreads it around a little.

      • Ray in VT

        I really disliked the whole Vermonters First business, and it certainly turned me off from Wendy Wilton as a candidate.  I just heard Vince Illuzzi talking about how he would rather have not had them running ads on his behalf.

  • Ann_Vermont

    I’m one of those foreign-born citizens.  Early this morning I heard from a high-school classmate in Vancouver, Canada, who wrote:  “…Congratulations. Many many of us who don’t live in the
    States but are affected directly or indirectly by ‘your’ foreign or financial
    policy believe the planet will be better off for the decision that has been
    made…there is a general feeling of relief and positivity outside the borders
    tonight…This morning people everywhere will wake up and think about the US
    differently than if Mitt had won. Thank you to everyone who stood in those
    lines, who didn’t stay home because of intimidation by ID rules or misleading
    calls.”

  • skeptic150

    The Republican party platform is condemning enough- too much Christian theocracy and potential for oppression of women in my opinion

  • http://www.facebook.com/jim.castronovo Jim Castronovo

    If the Florida voting process hadn’t burdened the ballot with pages of constitutional amendment questions written in legalese, the state would probably have reported by now. For me reading those questions was like reading through a mortgage document.

  • Scott B

    Of course some Republicans (the old guard leaders like Rove, McConnell, and Boehnor in particular), are going to resist what happend. The current party has a history (as conservative think-tanker David Ornstein says) of denying fact, science, history, and experience.  

  • Thinkin5

    Obama’s letter to his campaign workers/supporters before his national speech was right on. This is why Barack Obama won the White House a second term. He understands very well how America should/does work.

    “I’m about to go speak to the crowd here in Chicago, but I wanted to thank you first.

    I want you to know that this wasn’t fate, and it wasn’t an accident. You made this happen.

    You organized yourselves block by block. You took ownership of this campaign five and ten dollars at a time. And when it wasn’t easy, you pressed forward.

    I will spend the rest of my presidency honoring your s
    upport, and doing what I can to finish what we started.

    But I want you to take real pride, as I do, in how we got the chance in the first place.

    Today is the clearest proof yet that, against the odds, ordinary Americans can overcome powerful interests.

    There’s a lot more work to do.

    But for right now: Thank you.
    Barack”

  • Rex Henry

    So Mitch McConnell effectively failed in his attempt to make this a one term presidency.
    How did he get away with that two years ago and what happens to his reputation?

    • Thinkin5

      Part of McConnell’s sour statement after Obama’s win last night.
      “The voters have not endorsed the failures or excesses of the
      president’s first term, they have simply given him more time to finish
      the job they asked him to do together with a Congress that restored
      balance to Washington after two years of one-party control.

      “Now it’s time for the president to propose solutions that actually
      have a chance of passing the Republican-controlled House of
      Representatives and a closely-divided Senate, step up to the plate on
      the challenges of the moment, and deliver in a way that he did not in
      his first four years in office.

      “To the extent he wants to move to the political center, which is
      where the work gets done in a divided government, we’ll be there to meet
      him half way.”

      • sickofthechit

         Let me assure you, he does not speak for all Kentuckians, but he shames us all nonetheless.
        Charles A. Bowsher

      • Rex Henry

        Without having to make a concession speech, he essentially said: “another chance to give me something I like.”

    • Davesix6

      McConnell will be fine.

  • Ann_Vermont

    I’m one of those foreign born citizens.  I heard early today from a high-school classmate in Vancouver, Canada: “…Congratulations. Many many of us who don’t live in the
    States but are affected directly or indirectly by ‘your’ foreign or financial
    policy believe the planet will be better off for the decision that has been
    made…there is a general feeling of relief and positivity outside the borders
    tonight…This morning people everywhere will wake up and think about the US
    differently than if Mitt had won. Thank you to everyone who stood in those
    lines, who didn’t stay home because of intimidation by ID rules or misleading
    calls.”

  • ChevSm

    I think we did, or should have seen this coming. 

    Nate Silver has been predicting this exact result for weeks.

    Pundits lie but the data does not.   

  • NcyT

    I think the
    Republicans need to do some serious soul searching about inclusion, equity,
    diversity, women, people of color, the 47%, moderate Christians and people of
    other faiths, and “the other 99%,” 
    because they (including the Super Pacs) spent a boat load of money using
    Karl Rove’s strategies, and it didn’t work. 
    Nor did the strategy of keeping people from voting.  For the next four years, we’re going to see a
    battle — moderates and liberals working their tails off to ensure that
    low-income, young, female, Black and Hispanic voters vote and conservatives
    working to keep everyone else from voting. I think that’s a misguided and
    ultimately doomed strategy. Republicans won’t survive with ideas and rhetoric
    that appeal only to older, white, Christian, rural Americans and uber-wealthy
    suburban men. 

     
    I say
    all this because I truly want a strong 
    two-party system with a viable second party that has good ideas that
    work for everyone.   

  • Mosagra

    Most shocking thing about this multibillion $ election:  White house, same, Senate, same, House, same!!

    Time to come together, somehow, someway.  I agree with Lanny Davis, first three calls Obama should make are to John McCain, Orrin Hatch and  Lindsey Graham.  Let’s sit down and see where we can actually move Forward.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/president-obama-should-make-effort-to-compromise-with-republicans-in-second/

  • J__o__h__n

    Couldn’t On Point get a better conservative?  The economy was improving under Bush?

  • Mike_Card

    Lindsay Graham had it right, the GOP is running out of angry, old, white guys.

  • Thinkin5

    “Mitt was mercilessly attacked by Obama”!!!! You had to be living under a rock if you missed Mitt and the GOP’s mercilessly attacking the President! You have to be prepared to get what you give. At least Obama’s attacks were based on facts. Mostly Mitt’s actual words in context!

  • adks12020

    Wow, Mona is really doing some serious pivoting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jbfox3 Jane B Fox

    Extremism on the left? Where the heck do you see the counter balance to a Rush!

  • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

    False equivalency, Mona.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Moanin’ Mona is Mistress of false equivalence. If raving nutcases like beck and limbo are major influences on the right, the same must hold on the left, even if you can’t identify them.

      There is no left. The current Dems are closer to Eisenhower than the current TeaOP is. Get a grip, Mona, or move to the caymans and stop bothering us.

  • Davesix6

    Please keep in mind Republicans still hold and actually gained in the House of Representatives.
    It’s gonna be an interesting four years! Were going to contiune to stand against the hatred of the left!

    • DrewInGeorgia

      You’re going to continue your petulant obstructionist practices? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

    • skeptic150

      That may be true, but the Republican party platform is terrible imo. And for those of us who read it and compared it to the Democratic Party platform it was obvious that there was way too much Christian theocracy potentially influencing all manners of everyone’s lives in this country (perfect examples include laws passed in Tennessee over the past year by Repubs that were passed regardless of objections from scientists teachers educators and experts in the fields related to the legislation).The Republican Party needs to evolve or it will go extinct.

    • sickofthechit

       I thought they lost seats on a net basis.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YMV2HJ2TBKMCN2QRAVI3I2OOGM Jim Jim

    Dear Caller,
    No one cares about swing voters anymore.
    Yours Truly,
    The Voting Public

  • Wahoo_wa

    In 2008 Obama beat McCain by 9,545,998 votes.  In 2012 Obama beat Romney by 2,631,013 votes.  In 2012 9,826,961 FEWER people voted for Obama than in 2008.  While Obama has taken the office it is hardly a resounding endorsement of the man.  This election just proves how divisive Obama’s Presidency has been.  (numbers are taken from the Washington Post)

    • Mike_Card

      Mostly, it just proves what a gaggle of whack-doodle candidates the GOP has to offer.  Unless we’ve moved to a new method of counting votes, the President was re-elected.

      • Wahoo_wa

        That’s certainly one perspective.  While I do agree that the GOP has difficulty sending up electable candidates I think there are many factors at play.  In 2008 people voted for Obama as a referendum on the Republican Party and Bush’s Presidency.  He was also elected due to his race.  It was really not an election about the ability of the candidates.  The Democrats could have sent up a duck as a candidate and it would have won.  I think the numbers show how Obama’s support has waned during his administration because he is not a talented leader and can not fulfill his promises.  He was however the lesser of the two evils.  Mitt was a weak candidate who lacked credibility.  In the end…the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know.  I think that’s why Obama won.

        • Mike_Card

          Yes, I think we’re pretty close to agreement.  A lot of Obama’s supporters from 08 were dissatisfied with his first term.  In the end, Mitt was not appealing enough, yet he was the best of a bunch of nutty people:  Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Paul, Gingrich…

          • Wahoo_wa

            I really worry about the character of our leaders and where it will take us.  I did not vote for either Obama or Romney.  This is the first time I voted for the Libertarian candidate.  A viable, visionary third party is desperately needed in our culture.

          • nj_v2

            I wrote in Anderson/Rodrigeuz. 

            I would be interested to see what could happen if all the alternative/third parties (Justice, Green, Liberatarian, Social Democrats, etc.) could form some sort of coalition.

            Seems like there could be more common ground than differences, and any combination of these could be better than the current corporate duopoly of the Republicrats.

    • nj_v2

      Another way to look at it:

      There are something like 208–210 million registered voters in the country.

      Just over half of them voted this go-round.

      The vote was essentially split between Obummer and Rmoney.

      Net result, about a quarter of the electorate re-elected Mr Hope and Change.

  • Scott B

    Mona, like McConnell’s statements read on NPR this morning, is crying sour grapes, and yet another example of a Republican in denial. 

    The Republicans, like Charon and George Will, keep saying that the majority of Americans are pro-life. The fact they’re deliberately ignoring is that it’s only that way if you take it as a black & white issue.  But many of those pro-lifers are pro-life only for themselves, and don’t want to inflict their view on someone else that doesn’t feel the same way; and they ignore that the vast majority of Americans want it in cases of rape, incest, or it threatens the life of the mother.  Then the numbers swing widely back to pro-choice.

  • Mosagra

    Winner of the election:  Science and reason, personified by Nate Silver

    Loser of the election:  Partisanship personified by Mitch McConnell

  • DrewInGeorgia

    The economy was improving until mean ol’ Obama put the breaks on the ‘recovery’ that W engineered. Mona Charen, you are clueless. As I said before we’re not as misguided as we’ve been led to believe.

    Lies are what did the Republican Agenda in this go round. Ideology, lies, misogyny, and racism. Face up to your failures or don’t, I could care less. If The Republican Party won’t crawl out of the Dark Ages it can do Americans a favor and proceed to the next step of its evolution: Extinction. 

  • AlanThinks

    Mona, oh what a moaner.  To deny that the right wing talk hosts have not polarized the Republican base is nonsense.  Drive across the country and try to find left wing talk radio and you will drive forever while right wing talk shows are everywhere.

  • jefe68

    Is this woman serious? What about all those ads that were using fear aired by Romney, and payed for by Karl Rove and a few billionaires. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Tom, maybe a dancing partisan shill like Mona Charen isn’t the person to ask when a caller talks about extremism.

  • jim_thompson

    God Bless America…as a person who started working literally on the bus for Ronald reagan in 1976 and 1980-with a fading elephant tatoo to prove it-to a person who served as a delegate from SC to the DNC is 2012 I am so happy that the American people have voted to reject the teaparty right wing fringe rapacious GOP.  President Obama deserved re-election and Mr. Romney couldn’t win by being Myth Romney.

    Jim in Fort Mill,SC

    • sickofthechit

       ”Myth” Romney, I like that.

  • NcyT

    I think the
    Republicans need to do some serious soul searching about inclusion, equity,
    diversity, women, people of color, the 47%, moderate Christians and people of
    other faiths, and “the other 99%,” 
    because they (including the Super Pacs) spent a boat load of money using
    Karl Rove’s strategies, and it didn’t work. 
    Nor did the strategy of keeping people from voting.  For the next four years, we’re going to see a
    battle — moderates and liberals working their tails off to ensure that
    low-income, young, female, Black and Hispanic voters vote and conservatives
    working to keep everyone else from voting. I think that’s a misguided and
    ultimately doomed strategy. Republicans won’t survive with ideas and rhetoric
    that appeal only to older, white, Christian, rural Americans and uber-wealthy
    suburban men. 

     
    I say
    all this because I truly want a strong 
    two-party system with a viable second party that has good ideas that
    work for everyone. 

  • J_Aplin

    Your guest’s comments portray the denial and victim mentality that is destroying her party.

    • sickofthechit

       Does that make her part of the 47%?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

    Mona, Romney and his campaign discredited themselves even to the last days. Nobody forced Romney to mislead Ohio voters on Chrysler and Jeep moving Ohio plant to China. He and his campaign misread Bloomberg article and went on with distorted fact on his rallies and their misleading ads. Even if it was an honest mistake on misreading part, a presidential person would have do a good research before going record with it. This result is the votes against his own bad reputations.

  • JeanBruce

    Refer to someone’s youtube project that never played in the media. Yeah, that’s left wing extremism. 
    Does Jon Stewart balance “Fox News?” No, they can’t make enough stuff up.

  • http://twitter.com/catiespeak catie curtis

    The changing demographic is happening even within families.  My 74 year old Republican (white) Dad voted for Obama in part out of respect for his gay daughter, and his internationally adopted Latino grandchildren!  

  • Human898

    Mona Charen demonstrates the ongoing cluelessness of the Republican Party when she continues the myopic position that only Romney was attacked as if the neo Republcans and Romney were not relentlessly attacking Obama with the suggestion he was handed a perfectly healthy economy and ruined it.  She forgets or purposely refuses to acknowledge that under the last Republican White House administration, the news at the end of that administration was about the second worst financial crisis this nation has experienced on record.  

    After this Democratic White House administration, that crisis was stemmed, and the news at the end of those 4 years is a recovery is under way, albeit sluggish.

    I much prefer a slow recovery to another financial crisis.

    I was once a Republican, I left the party because of the total cluelessness, delusion, denial or purposeful deceit Mona Charen has just epitomized.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1273328048 Tomasina Covell

       And she was applying subliminal disinfo techniques too, you can pick it up in the slurs with slip of the tongue and ill placed twisted misspoke dropped everywhere that noone seemed to want to waste time pointing our or heaven provide asking for clarification on, god she must have been taught by Condoleezza Rice.

  • Matt Wade

    Obama won both his “home” states, HI and IL. Romney lost all four of his, MI, MA, NH, CA.. Boom.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

       Action speaks louder!!

  • bmad2012

    I turned off my radio after listening to Mona Charen. I know that there are more rational Republican points of view. Why give give her a platform? At least Tom tried to get her to respond to the caller’s question – which she refused to do.

    • LinRP

      AND she sounded angry and petulant through it all. Tough luck, Mona. The results just upturned your specious rationales, and kicked your mendacious, liar-pants-on-fire candidate to the curb. Deal with it.

      I tuned out as well. That’s it for me. Never, ever will I listen to another program when Mona is on. I don’t mind hearing a point of view different from my own. I welcome it, in fact. But she is not worth my time in the least.

  • newsjunkie59

    Tom,
    Victory for the Democrats as in 2008, but the party needs to stress the “get out the vote” in the midterm in 2014 to win the the House of Representative along with the Senate.

  • Expanded_Consciousness

    The Midwest is NOT the REAL America! It is only a part of America. Get REAL, caller Paul.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

       Midwest is full of people like Mona.

  • Human898

    Mona Charen continues to make use of partial truths.

    Half of the bailouts of the auto industry have been paid back!

    Mona, I used to be a Republican. Your attitude is why I left!!!!

    How one reduces a deficit problem with tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, one can only guess!! Where was all this deficit talk during the Bush years? Do people go out and find a job that pays less, after they go out and buy a new car? How does one pay for two enormously expensive wars with tax cuts? In WWII people were asked to sacrifice for the war effort, under GWB the wars were put on the tab of the taxpayers while the wealthy were given a tax break!

  • Matt Wade

    This election was important because it was reversal of the Tea Party wave of 2010. Obama needed to be re-elected to protect the supreme court from more conservative appointments, fully enact the ACA, pursue climate change legislation, and allow Obama/Dems/Keynesian economics to take credit for the economic recovery. The GOP needed to be humbled and they have been. McConnell and Boehner will still pursue gridlock, but they wont be as successful.

  • OnpointListener

    I disagree with Mona Charen.

    The Republican Party touts the Constitution and Freedom while passing legislation violating citizens’ constitutional rights and violating civil liberties of those other than white men (think transvaginal probes,  the “hunt” for illegals, voter disenfranchisement.

    Re:  the auto bailout and the deficit, Mona – you need to read a little Paul Krugman.  There is a net benefit to the country from the bailout.

     

  • MarthaARB

    I was heartened by the concession and the victory speeches of Romney and Obama, and by Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren here in Massachusetts. They treated their former opponents with respect, and the winners pledged to reach out in a spirit of bipartisanship.  It seems incredibly hopeful and constructive.  Perhaps it is a turning point.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    To caller Paul in the middle: High population concentration areas are where people live, not where government lives. That’s where Obama took this election.

    Empty square miles don’t vote.

    I’ve got a dollar saying Paul’s never seen the population-balanced EV map, or the color-coded one showing where actual votes are cast.

    • Matt Wade

      i read that if you live in an area with sidewalks, you are more likely to vote Democrat. That’s pretty much what we saw in this election.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        I never heard that before. (I’m not snarking.)

        But when I think of gated communities, cul-de-sacs, and etc, that sounds not-unplausible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1153405320 Timothy Peters

    Republican or Democrat, let’s not forget that in many many parts of the world, this debate, the existence of this type of radio program let alone our ability to make these choices by voting is not possible. 

  • Aranphor

    Mona, you’re not learning. You lost BECAUSE of people like you. Again, you’re not learning… It’s time to work together not label and name call, yet again…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Hey, Aranphor, I don’t know anything about you, but:

      This isn’t my fight. (It may not be yours.)

      This is a “them” (GOP, right-wing, Beltway Inbred pundit) problem, not a “we” (non-partisan or left-wing, media crit, care about journalism) problem.

      Nothing I can do would make Charen, Fox News, Rove, Rush, or all those astroturf “Tea Party” superpacs any better at reading the tea leaves, let alone coming up with decent policy ideas.

      I’ll buy you some popcorn so we can cheer on their partisan internal fight.

  • laanu

    just heard a caller say that Obama is the most divisive president in the history of US. It is hard to avoid the issue of race here.  I am increasingly convinced that the almost irrational opposition he faced from some factions in congress are because it is so hard for some people to see past his skin color. This is something we are just not comfortable confronting but it’s the elephant in the room. 

  • George_Dedham_MA

    Republicans redefining their goals:

    Even with the country on the brink of default, the Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said his “single most important” goal is to make Barack Obama a two-term president.”

    When he said in 2008 or 09 what he really said (replace “two-term” above with “one-term”) I consider that almost treason. His job is ALWAYS to do what is best for the country.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kathygnome Kathleen Lambert

    I agree, what is the point of including a lunatic extremist who just recites the same talking points of the far right. 

  • Thinkin5

    Middle class Americans and Democrats know we need to address the deficit and spending. What they want is that the pay down is shared and not all on their shoulders, the ones who have lost the most, and will mostly not recover their losses.

  • http://twitter.com/en_b ian berry

    People who support starting wars have no grounds when they complain about welfare of any sort. 

    Look where all the money is going!

  • Davesix6

     I agree with Mona Charen!Maybe the people will wake up when;The price of gas, food and electricity continue to climbThe national debt reaches $20 Trillion under Obama as projected by the White House Office of Management and Budget.Fulltime jobs decline as employers hire part time to avoid the penalties of Obamacare The direction this nation is going in is “unsustainable”! The bill is going to come due and the middle class will be paying it in higher taxes!

    • Human898

      So you’d prefer another great recession?   Where were you then?  Gasoline prices were higher then, housing prices etc.   Get real please!!

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Latinos have moved into the status of important minority group.  Despite what Carl in Nashville says, blacks are also increasingly irrelevant.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      I dunno, all those GOP govs, leges and SecStates determined to scrub their voting rights seemed to consider black voters important.

  • Roy-in-Boise

    Gov. Romney by touting his “take our country back”  message succeeded in creating a genuine backlash from the people he intended to take it back from.

    Amen, the system works!

  • nj_v2

    What is the hack Charon moaning about re the auto loans? They are being paid back. And the loans started under Shrub.

    http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/entities/233-general-motors

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Why is inflation presented to be the thing to be avoided at all costs? As prices and wages inflate, existing debt gets relatively smaller.

  • Aranphor

    Wow Mona. Bitter Much?

    • Davesix6

      Mona is not bitter, she’s right!

      • Human898

        She represents the neo right, but that didn’t win the election did it?  Do you prefer great recessions on the magnitude of being second to none, but the Great Depression or do you prefer a sluggish recovery from such that is likely to only get better, as long as he gets a new “Top Priority” from the Republican Party and that new top priiority is to do all they can to work together to solve the nation’s problems.

  • adks12020

    Nice Mona.  Say all black people in this country are incapable of making a decision based on issues because they can’t vote for a white man over a black man. You make me sick.

  • ChevSm

    Wow Mona.  Showing your true colors.
     
    “It would have been very difficult for Romney to win African American votes with an African American on the ballot.”  

  • manganbr

    A reason to be optimistic about compromise on the fiscal cliff: the House is up for re-election in two years, the president is up for re-election . . . .never. Who do you think the public is going to take their frustration out on in 2014 if this deal doesn’t get done?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    I hate people who can only make a point by putting all their words in somebody else’s mouth.

  • Human898

    Mona you are digging the neo Republican hole deeper by completely ignoring what happened to the economy in 2008 under a Republican White House adminstration.  

  • BVNitta

    Mona Charen claims that we will never get our money back form the auto bailout. Isn’t it true that at least one carmaker (GM?) paid back the debt owed the American people? Methinks Mona doth protest too much..

    • MrNutso

      Not to mention the money we recover in a general sense by having these large corporations continue to be in business and hundreds of thousands employed.

  • AlanThinks

    Tom please do not have Mona on your show again. If I was a conservative and/or Republican, I would be ashamed to hear her.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZKG7NEG53UKVK7OTIT7Y4VMBOM Jay D

      Mona Charen is just awful!!

      Donald sounds more balanced then her!

    • JeanBruce

      He doesn’t know how to deal with warped “reality.”

    • Human898

      You got it!  Mona Charen epitomizes all the reasons I stopped being a Republican many years ago.   She seriously sounds like those with substance abuse problems, blaming everyone else for the problems that come as the result of their abuse.  Denial and delusion are their biggest stumbling block to getting the monkey off their back.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    We don’t have a deficit problem?  Huh?

    • JeanBruce

      “Deficits don’t matter.” Eh?

  • NcyT

    Obama has consistently advocated for a balanced approach, not big government. We are NOT worse off — check the stats, Mona. I am tired of misleading statements and outright lies. STOP IT!

    • libraryshortcake

      and besides, having 50 separate state governments making decisions on healthcare, reproductive rights, marriage laws, etc. – THAT sounds like big government to me!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.lovellinglese Laura Lovell Inglese

    THe reason why Mitt is often described as a flip flopper is because he changes his mind only when it is politically popular to do so, to get himself elected. I have seen Obama change his mind when it is not necessarily politically popular to do so – with the individual health care mandate and with gay marriage. 

    • MrNutso

      Not to mention that Mona is overlooking all of Mitt’s lies.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZKG7NEG53UKVK7OTIT7Y4VMBOM Jay D

       Amen. like a true leader He did what is right whether it was popular or not.

    • Thinkin5

       Pres. Obama doesn’t deny that he ever held a position either. He said that he has talked to people who persuaded him that gay marriage is an equal rights issue. He didn’t say, “I never said that!”

  • Matt Wade

    mona charen represents the failed ideas and thinking that doomed the GOP. I dont see her changing her ways either. Keep repreating the insanity, Mona!

  • J_Aplin

    The guy saying that we can solve everything by raising taxes on the rich is in denial two. We have two extremists on the show that only exemplify the inability to admit that nobody, and no party, is all right or all wrong.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      You’re listening to a different show. Who’s saying that?

      • J_Aplin

        The guy representing the left.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          “Two extremists” can’t admit “nobody and no party is 100% right”.

          No, seriously, who is saying that about solving all by restoring taxes on the rich to historical norms?

          False equivalence is the last weak branch you’re holding onto at the edge of the cliff.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001969680540 Benjamin Franklin

    Mona sounds like she is still campaigning.  It is attitudes like hers that cost the Republicans the election.  The solution is that they need to stop the rhetoric and address the facts…and I mean ALL of the facts.

    • BHA_in_Vermont

      She can’t take the fact that she lost. She should be happy, she has 4 more years to bash Obama. What would she do for a living if Romney had won?

  • BVNitta

    Mona Charen claims that we will never get paid back for the auto bailout. But isn’t it true that at least one carmaker (GM?) has paid back the debt owed the American people? Methinks Mona doth protest too much..

  • Jennifer Jia

    I’m going to turn it off since Tom seem to think giving Mona more time than she deserves to repeat the same talking points over and over again is a great way to show that he’s “fair and balanced”.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

       On the flip side, you can see what the other half, who voted Romney, think. Not logical, hypocritical, and destructive.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Re Mona:

    Republicans need to “retool their message” to court Latinos. Not change a bit of their policy proposals?

    And why didn’t she say it’s “Nearly impossible for the GOP to win the African-American vote” during the campaign?

    More predictable than the swallows coming back to Capistrano are breathless Beltway Inbred articles fluff the GOP’s chances with Latino and African American demographics.

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       ”retool their message” sounds a lot like an “etch-a-sketch”. Don’t change your core, change the way it looks on the outside so people won’t know that what is inside is still the same.

      • libraryshortcake

        Yeah, how about “retooling the message” by actually supporting the Dream Act, opposing legislation like the AZ profiling “show me your papers” insanity, and recognizing the absurdity of suggesting self-deportation?

  • democracy_is_good

    Mona Charen is out of touch and clinging to an old vision of America that this country is rejecting. She just created a new talking point that I’ve not heard (I admittedly do not listen to conservative talk radio, so I’m probably behind the curve on this) She said “Obama bailed out the unions and there will be a price to pay and it won’t just be the rich people who pay it.” I would like to ask Mona if she knows anyone who works as part of a labor union? American workers are hurting because of corporate greed. Labor unions are being pounded and the people who will suffer are American workers and the middle class. So, rather than throwing out “union” as a bad word, she might want to think about what unions in fact do. They protect workers from being taken advantage of, they protect jobs, they protect benefits and income for workers. Shame on Mona for throwing workers under the bus. I’m sure she’s living a lovely life of privilege being the  mouthpiece of the uber-rich.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1273328048 Tomasina Covell

      Charen knows what she’s doing, it’s not like she’s “out of touch” in some credulous sense waiting to receive a clue.  This is what she does, this is her bidness, subverting our government and take up the space between ears and sap the life out of the air-time.  Not that anyone on n-p-r doesn’t know this too, it’s their job to pretend too that it’s real, but it’s not.

  • OnpointListener

    Tom - 

    Could you please stop having “political hacks” like Mona Charen (speechwriter to Nancy Reagan) on your program in some attempt at balance. 

    The middle class sees a role for government in protecting its citizens:  FEMA, social security, medicare, etc.  

    Europe is in trouble because of the collapse of international banking system due to deregulation.  America is NOT Greece; the deficit in this country can be brought under control if taxation were more far and if we impose fair trade standards.

    • libraryshortcake

      And a huge part of Greece’s problem was that nobody was paying their taxes!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZKG7NEG53UKVK7OTIT7Y4VMBOM Jay D

    Mona You are wrong and you lost America Disagrees with you “deal with it”

  • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

    Mona, you’re — literally — what a loser sounds like.

  • Human898

    Mona is in denial and delusional!!  She completely ignores the state of the economy in 2008!!

  • Expanded_Consciousness

    Bye-bye, Mitt. It was not nice knowing you.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      or “It was nice not knowing you.”
      Either way good riddance.

      • Bruce94

        Which begs the question:  do you ever really get to know a chameleon?

  • reasontoast

    Tom, why Mona? She is all spin. And lies. 

  • Mary Jane Leach

    Good god, will someone stop booking Mona Charon, with her lies and distortions? This election was partly about its disgust with people like her, who are willing to say any nonsense in an emphatic way.

  • RN11111

    What’s surprising to me is that Mona continues to talk about the same issues the Romney campaign pressed during his run. Obvious it wasn’t the sole issue for the majority of Americans.

    Second, in reference to a caller that mentioned the media (extreme right) as a driving force in peoples’ decision. I think these folks (media) do have a very large influence on people’s decision. Particularly on those that are in the middle. While, extremism does exist on both sides of the media spectrum, we have to remember that information is imperfect. And if one group is able to get to the forefront to the conversation (ex. Fox news channel) they may be seen as a representation of whatever political party leans toward their camp.

    The issues are important but lets remember this is a campaign. WINNING is the goal and not who’s right or wrong. Therefore, if leveraging the fact that information is imperfect means a gain in undecided voters, then so be it.

    Rich, Virginia

  • http://www.facebook.com/hilary.grant.509 Hilary Grant

    Mona Charen is just as out of touch as the rest of the Republican party. She doesn’t answer questions re: what is Republican Party going to do to come back but rather uses it as an opening to cast doubt on the next 4 years under Obama. She compares us with EU and that is an apple to oranges comparison. 

  • Emilio Diaz

    So Mona Charen thinks that minorities only vote for other minorities. This explains why Republicans are cornering themselves into a state of irrelevance.

  • Empire_State

    What’s more pleasurable- not listening to R&R, or listening to Mona complain.  You Lost, what a thrill for sanity.

  • vtjayhawk

    Please, On Point…drop Mona Charen from your guest list! She is gratingly strident and adds nothing interesting to the conversation.  I guarantee that you lose listeners every time she is featured on your show.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=502464197 Pete Darnell

    Someone tell Charen the campaign is over. The whole economic story is here: http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3
    You can see that unemployment was at 8% when Obama took office in Jan 2009, but was steeply climbing. It peaked at 10% in 2010 about when the stimulus and auto bailout had kicked in and has been steadily declining since. If continue on the current trend we should be below 6% unemployment in 4 years. Not a message the GOP wants to hear.

    • MrNutso

      After listening to her, I had to look at a calender to see if it was really the day after the election.

  • Kathy

    Really, I know Tom wants to be Arch-Pope of the Church of False Equivalence, but dragging some nut from townhall onto the air is an insult to listeners. 

  • alfredo e vergara

    How could Mona belittle Romney’s flip flopping by comparing it to Obama ‘changing’ his mind about gay marriage? Romney blatantly lied about every single issue of importance in the election, even got caught on tape at the fundraiser essentially calling economically disadvantaged people lechers. What kind of political analysis is that????!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve.beckwith.7 Steve Beckwith

    I’m an independent who used to lean republican.  The past twelve years I’ve voted exclusively for democrats.  The reason is because the extreme right and religious conservatives have hijacked the GOP.  I’m proud to say that I will be registering as a democrat now.  Listening to Mona Charen reenforces that decision.  Her attitude is exactly what is driving people like me away from the GOP – Grand (very) OLD Party.    Oh, I forgot to mention,  I’m a veteran too.  

    • libraryshortcake

      Thank you for your service, and thank you for your open-mindedness. Too many people become attached to their party or candidate and just repeat the rhetoric instead of evaluating their core beliefs and voting accordingly.

  • Scott Holdren

    Tom – Mona didn’t add much value to this conversation.

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    Do the producers read all the comments?

    IF SO, please note and follow the “mandate” of the large number of “Get Mona the heck off the show” posts. 

    A well balanced show doesn’t need far right or far left wing-nuts who can’t see past their own ideologies. she brings NOTHING positive to the show.

    • nj_v2

      I have no problem with divergent, even “extreme” viewpoints from either end of any kind of spectrum one wants to define provided those are honest, principled, and cogent. Overall, both on this program, and in political discourse in general, the spectrum of political view is, generally, sadly narrow and skewed; and mostly to the right.

      Charon, however, is neither honest, principled, or cogent. At least, when party operatives are booked for shows like this, one knows who is paying them and what to expect. With hacks like Charon, it’s not so clear.

    • J__o__h__n

      While I was one of the many objecting to her, I don’t think the number of objections should be a mandate for her not appearing again.  On Point should review her statements on the show and evaluate them against the facts and conclude that she had nothing to offer but lies.  There are plenty of conservatives who can add something of value to the show.  This clown isn’t one of them. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1273328048 Tomasina Covell

       Real, actual facts would be cast out as far-left on this show.

  • StilllHere

    Tom, Mona was great as always.  I appreciate that you invited her and let her speak.  It was a refreshing change from the past several months of slanted panels.

    I will be encouraging my representative and senators to do whatever they can to prevent Obama’s tax and spend policies from legislative success.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZKG7NEG53UKVK7OTIT7Y4VMBOM Jay D

       i am glad to see you pull off sarcasm so well on this forum.

    • Shag_Wevera

      So you are against the will of the American electorate?

      • StilllHere

        I am the American electorate.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          You’re one of the few non-racist, non-misogynistic, non-religious-zealot TruePrincipledConservatives who was all up in GWBush’s grill about the deficit when nobody else was, who worried about every executive branch overreach during the Shrub years, who shouted yourself hoarse in right-wing chatrooms like a good libertarian, no matter how many times you were called a traitor for it?

          You’re a very small part of the electorate, who watches enough mainstream media to think there are 500 million of you.

          You don’t statistically exist.

        • jefe68

          True, the one that lost.
          Get over it. It’s what you would be saying to me if the results were reversed.
          you lost because the GOP is living in lala land and has alienated minorities. 90% of African Americans, 70% of Latinos, and over 75% of Asians voted for President Obama.

          Not to mention about 90% of the millennium vote, who will be along with minorities a larger voting block than white middle-aged men.

          • pete18

             Exactly how has the GOP “alienated” minorities (which is quite different than saying the GOP hasn’t found a way to attract minorities)?

          • MordecaiCarroll

            Years of employing the Southern Strategy.  Racist dogwhistles like John Sununu saying that Barack Obama is “lazy” and “not that bright”.

          • pete18

            And exactly what do you think the southern strategy is and how does it relate to yesterday’s election?

          • MordecaiCarroll

            I mentioned the Southern Strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy ) because for over 40 years now, the Republican party has followed a pattern of motivating their white base using coded language and dog whistles (particularly their base in the South, still unhappy with Civil Rights measures enacted in the 1960′s).  Ronald Reagan’s  speech about “States Rights” near Philadelphia Mississippi (site of a Civil Rights murder) in 1980 is widely thought to be a fairly blatant use of the Southern Strategy.

            In the current election, we’ve seen Birthers, people demanding the release of Obama’s school transcripts, Tea Party activists with pictures of Obama with a bone through his nose, and John Sununu’s characterization of Obama as “lazy” and “not that bright”.  These characterizations have nothing to do with differences on issues.  They all have a racial element to them, and all seem designed to paint Obama as either being “other” (He’s not a real American – he’s Kenyan), or as somehow being unworthy (he got ahead because of affirmative action – otherwise he’d release his school transcripts!) or just “lazy” and “not that bright”.  Racial elements are in all of these characterizations.  None of them have anything to do with differences on policy positions or political philosophy.

          • MordecaiCarroll

             Sorry – meant to reply to another poster (whose post seems to have vanished)

      • pete18

         He’s against 1/2 the American electorate, the other 1/2 agrees with him. This was certainly not a mandate election.

  • pikldog

    Mona Charen made me crazy.  For a person whose book titles consist of name calling against “liberals” (see “do-gooders” and “useful idiots”), it is hypocritical of her to talk about how negative the Obama campaign went against Romney.  Please restore civility to the discourse and drop these types of ridiculous guests who bring toxicity and little to no insight into the discussion.  The campaign is over…she needs to accept it and move on.

  • klrjcc

    My biggest complaint with this election has been the blatantly misleading advertising.  I was very disappointed to tune in to the end of On Point this morning and hear Mona Charen being given so much air time continuing in that vein.  Her claim that the President’s campaign accused Mitt Romney of “causing” a woman’s cancer is one example.  That’s not the truth.  A further example was her claim that the Republican party does not support the repeal of abortion rights.  It is in their platform.

    I really didn’t expect to tune in this morning and hear more of the same being allowed to go virtually unchallenged.

  • Call_Me_Missouri

    Quick point of reference…

    Mona Charen is a LAWYER  not an ECONOMIST.

    Please stop letting people talk about things they are unqualified to discuss.  It was clear that she was reading off some Fox News Talking Points briefing rather than thinking for her self or even becoming somewhat educated about economics.

  • http://twitter.com/ylaenna M. Elaine

    Ha. She sounds like she cares about facts about as much as Ann Coulter does.

  • pikldog

    @StillHere: What exactly about her is great?  Was there a single idea that she contributed?  It seemed pretty much like bitter vitriol and attack, while avoiding answering questions.

    • StilllHere

      She is always factually accurate and voices well-reasoned opinions. Her observations are spot-on and never heard in this echo-chamber.

      • klrjcc

        She was not factually accurate regarding the Republican party’s position on abortion.

        • StilllHere

          How so?

          • klrjcc

            At the close of the discussion she said the republican party is not in favor of repealing a woman’s right to choose abortion.

          • StilllHere

            Where in the platform is that, specifically?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Keep picking that scab, hoping nobody else can see your sores.

          • klrjcc

            From the GOP platform:  The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life  (Top)Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. 

          • J__o__h__n

            Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

  • Jennifer Jia

    It’s rather funny how Mona kept going back to the deficit.

    The deficit is going down.

  • anamaria23

    Mona Charen is a living breathing symbol of what is wrong with the Republican Party–meanspirited, closed minded, entitled, and willing to misrepresent the truth.  Most of what she said had a grain of truth, but generally misleading.   Never heard or seen not in a snit.

  • Tbarlow

    I worked the polls from 6AM to 9PM — we had a line of people pressing in to vote. I was impressed with the overwhelming desire to vote. So many Americans with long long Greek and Italian and all manner of names we endeavored to write down on their voting cards. NO TIME FOR A BREAK, exhausted, I came away exhilarated with the beautiful richly varied faces of young and old, making their mark on a piece of paper with all the sincere effort they could muster!  A simple working man on oxygen could barely wait in line… Indoneasia Thailand, Korean Chinese Croatian SO inspiring. I stole away and ran down the block to vote,,,THE DESIRE TO PARTICIPATE IN A HISTORICAL MOMENT.

  • missionbelle

    I tuned in late and wondered who that hideous opinionated  woman was until I heard you address her as Mona and I realized she was someone I always just turn off because she has nothing enlightening to say and she says it in a small-minded mean-spirited nasty way.  So I just went back to Diane Rehm. 

  • Duras

    I was watching PBS most of the night and they turned to their journalist at the Romney camp who said, “Romney supporters are deflating as they watch Fox News.”  That was one of my favorite moments of the night.

    P.S., for the conservatives: David Brooks is the real deal when it comes to conservative analysis.  Might want to check him out and get off the crazy drugs.

    • William

       David Brooks take away line “There have been no scandals in the first term for Obama” It is better than his “I like the crease in Obama’s pants”. Yes, we need more conservatives like him.

  • Toni Roman

    Mona Charen is a racist.  Her remark that no way would blacks vote for Romney was racist.

    1. Romney himself had to retract similar remarks.
    2. I can introduce Ms. Charen to blacks who voted for Romney.
    3. I challenge Ms. Charen to find even one black voter in America who has not voted for a white candidate.  On the other hand, there are plenty (millions probably) of white voters who have never voted for a black candidate.
    4. She assumes that black voters are incapable of voting on the basis of factors like the environment, privacy, the Patriot Act, foreign policy, and other issues.  Black voters are like women voters.  They have brains.  They don’t just vote on the basis of pigmentation or complexion any more than women just vote gender or reproduction.  Her remarks are insulting.  I hope other people call her on this racist remark.

    I hope people like Ms. Charen remain in the Republican Party and thereby ram it into the ground and go into the dustbin of history.  I hear on other talk shows on this morning after the Election, Republicans saying that they need to reach out to women and Latinos.  None of them is talking about reaching out to African-Americans.  How predictable of them.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      I don’t know if Charen is a racist.

      I think she’s just a partisan hack who’ll say anything, politely enough, to keep getting invited on shows like this.

      And part of me wonders if that’s even worse, being not ignorant but playing on RealAmericans’(TM) irrational fears by whipping them up, and never delivering on it, keeping them in a constant state of “monsters under the bed” fear.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        Manufactured Dead Heat.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          I’d bankroll Nate Silver $10000 to play poker with those clowns. And I live 2 hours from a casino I never visit.

    • Gregg Smith

      That’s sick.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002355053321 Ping Eye Hacker

    What about the FACT that Romney’s economic plan – from his OWN website right here under “Full Plan” (http://www.mittromney.com/JobsPlan) – is a DEFICIT FUNDED TAX CUT!!!

    Under ”Beneficial Effects of Tax Cuts Versus Temporary Stimulus Packages,” it states:

    “Our key finding is that the best fiscal policy to stimulate the economy is a deficit-financed tax cut…”

    So, how on Earth can Republicans complain about Obama when their own candidates plan was to blow up the debt with his massive tax cuts? This is why he NEVER wanted to offer details.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      That’s a key point. Somehow the media has missed the insanity of the TeaOP howling about deficits while proposing tax cuts. C’mon, people. If a pol is selling you a tax cut for the romney types he is NOT concerned about the deficit, he is concerned with redistributing even more $ to the top.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003040646978 Holly Lehigh

    If the Republicans got all the policies and laws they want passed and implemented, many of the people who think the Republican party represents them would leave the party en mass.

  • medeirosc

    Listen to Mona speak. That’s what I am afraid. We need good ideas from the Republicans, yes, but listen to her. She refuses to see the good that Obama has done or at least tried to do, she refuses to listen to the vote, she refuses to concede that the government should not tell women what to do with their bodies, that each woman should decide, and that religion should not be determining government policy. Let’s hope that influential republicans in congress do not behave like her.

  • Bruce94

    As I listened to Mona Charen’s Faux News talking points recitation, I thought I could detect the onset of Far Right, Tea Party rigor mortis setting in.   

  • wojo43

    m a lifelong Republican and agree that the Party… no longer the GOP, but something else that I can no longer support. There are many fellow party members in my circle that haven’t for a Republican presidential canditate since Regan. 

  • turkoz

    Boy, Mona doesn’t get it does she…never addressed tom’s questions and just spit back gop’s losing strategy…not very insightful guest…

    • http://twitter.com/tunnelman3 jason keedy

       She belongs to the Rove School of Denial. It is this, along with the arrogance and cynicism that the party has shown for the last 20 years, that will keep Democrats in the White House.

  • BofSantaBarbara

    “reaching across the aisle” is important, but every time Obama tried the GOP stuck a knife in his hand.  They even voted against their own legislative ideas.  NO ONE has even reminded all about the OBSTRUCTIONIST House.  Has everyone really FORGOTTEN that and Mitch McConnell’s single goal (hint…not jobs)

    • TomK_in_Boston

      I don’t want any “reaching across the aisle” to cut SS or ryanize medicare. Bipartisanship with terrorists is not a virtue. Why can’t the TeaOP ”reach across the aisle” so we can implement the ACA, make SS good forever by raising the cap, spend on infrastructure and R&D, regulate wall st and raise taxes on the rich?

    • jimino

      A bad idea with bipartisan support is still a bad idea. And a good idea with no support whatsoever from one party is still a good idea.

      And asking the “we-won’t-let-facts-control-our-campaign” party to decide which is which is a really, really bad idea.

  • StilllHere

    Republicans will need even fewer Democrats, but then there’s the intransigent one in the WH to worry about, he hasn’t cared much about the good of Americans the last four years.  Will he change?

    • libraryshortcake

      Glad to see you’re Still Here. You say Obama “hasn’t cared much about the good of Americans the last four years,” yet he is ending two wars, therefore bringing soldiers out of harm’s way, increasing help that returning soldiers need, presided over 32 months of private sector job growth, increased the civil rights of homosexuals by ending D.A.D.T., served as Commander-in-Chief during Special Ops killing of Bin Laden, not to mention the identification and thwarting of many other terrorist threats, put in to place measures to assure that ALL Americans have access to health care, supported equal pay for women, and so much more. It kinda sounds like he cares A LOT about the good of Americans, so I don’t understand what you’re talking about. His opponent flat out SAID that he doesn’t care about 47% of Americans (not JUST in terms of courting votes- he actually badmouthed them as well).

      • hennorama

        [Applause, applause, sitting ovation]

      • cg9

        I’m
        sorry to say your list is highly selective on Obama’s record.  1) He had
        no choice re. ending the Iraq war, and he hasn’t scaled back or closed our
        obscenely large embassy there; nor did he hold accountable those
        who lied and manipulated the process and led us into our illegal war of
        aggression.  2) He’s getting us out of Afghanistan
        without understanding that it was a losing proposition (the war approach, not
        necessarily all possible approaches) from the start and after a surge in troops
        that got more people needlessly killed. 3) No president has much power over the
        economy or jobs. 4) Good on LGBT rights. 5) Not sure they even tried to capture
        rather than kill Bin Laden. 6) Don’t know how many terrorist plots have been
        thwarted, but some accused plotters were set up by the FBI. 7) Avoiding these
        potential terrorist plots has come at a HUGE (I would say national-identity changing)
        cost to our constitutional rights. It also includes (not-so-well-targeted) assassinations
        all around the world, leading to more terrorism, and continued support for a
        huge, new department of government, the Department of Homeland Security, a “lovely”
        addition to the already bloated military juggernaut. 8) The Affordable Care Act
        will still leave an estimated 30 MILLION people uninsured. He didn’t even
        negotiate from a universal health care stance. 9) Good on equal pay for women
        (or, actually, the right to sue when they find out they haven’t gotten that).

        Left
        out:  Obama also 1) embraced in his
        administration the upper echelon members of the team that torpedoed the economy
        2) didn’t push for or get substantial financial system reform 3) has a Justice
        department that hasn’t gone after the financial sector bad actors (NY is doing
        that) 4) decided that the rule of law doesn’t apply to war crimes committed by
        the US, including launching wars of aggression and torture, including torture
        leading to death (right there, that’s enough for me to abandon Mr. Rhetoric) and
        5) still hasn’t protected home owners from unfair evictions.

        I could
        go on, but isn’t that enough?

        • libraryshortcake

          Well I was responding to the comment that Obama has not cared about the good of Americans for the past four years, posted by a very conservative poster who keeps the discussion lively here. You represent the other end of the spectrum in criticizing Obama for not doing MORE to end the wars, pull troops out, end torture, save homeowners from foreclosure, etc. Conservatives are hell-bent on getting rid of Obamacare, while you think it was watered down and didn’t go far enough. Conservatives want to protect the financial sector, the “war on terror”, and the “bad actors”, while many of us are disappointed that he didn’t do more.  In the end, we got a Republican pretending to be more moderate when convenient and pretending to be conservative when convenient, against President Obama… the nation is rather evenly divided, but I imagine anyone more “liberal” than Obama could not have made the cut, and anyone admitting to be more conservative than Romney would have lost by a larger margin. The only alternative would be a third party candidate, which people don’t go for because it “splits the vote” or because a third party is on the far left or far right end of the spectrum. As long as we have an entrenched two party system it’s hard to see an alternative to a President that does not thoroughly please his base or win over his opponents, but “tries” to work across the aisle and get something done, in a deeply divided country.

          • cg9

            Yes, I see what you’re saying about your responding to the critic, and what you say is reasonable.  I do wonder, though, about what I see as the large gap between Obama’s rhetoric and what he appears to try to do.  We elect him on the basis of the former and get, well, the latter.  Sometimes I wonder why he didn’t keep his first campaign team on as his cabinet; maybe they would have been more persuasive and effective than the one he chose.  And, funnily enough, I have joined a third party, one that I see as being what the Democratic Party should be, the Justice Party.

          • libraryshortcake

            It’s sort of a no-win situation- I think Obama wanted to be the centrist, bipartisan hero, but there was such an extreme backlash against him from the right, he often had the choice of doing a watered down version of something (Affordable Care Act) or holding firm and doing nothing (re: expiration of Bush tax cuts). Post-election I’m hearing Republican disgruntlement about moderates being pushed out of their party and they don’t identify with it anymore, while so many Obama supporters share the frustration that he has not fulfilled all of his promises.

  • Michiganjf

    Romney/Ryan LOST both of their home states for BOTH the Presidential ticket AND the Senate races!!!

    Ryan squeeked by where a 6% flip would have booted him OUT of Congress altogether!

    Is it OVER for the Republican Boy Wonder??!!!

    I’d hate to have to see him again in four years!

    • Mike_Card

      With respect to Ryan, it is a sad comment on the state of the GOP that they consider him an intellectual heavyweight, apparently because he understands the concept of long addition, although he is unable to actually perform it.  ANYone who thinks Atlas Shrugged or Anthem is deep philosiphy needs to return to secondary for remedial instruction.

      A true gift to the Democratic party would be to present Ryan as their opponent; maybe he could run a 1:55 marathon to impress the nitwits at Faux News.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ws.shuffle Stephen T Wishnevsky

    Tom just does not get it. One woman on the show and she is a Conservative parrot. Women one this election for Obama, and for a record number of women in the Senate. Get a grip. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Maybe On Point can spend an hour with panel full of straight women, gays and lesbians, folks of color, and some immigrants, (none of whom are PAC-funded or in the Beltway), to dissect and fix the policy problems of straight white males.

      I don’t even know if I’m not kidding. I mean, the reverse happens all the time.

    • Gregg Smith

      I would have never believed women were so vulnerable. Many were convinced Romney/Ryan wants to deny them contraception and that they wanted to (or could) outlaw abortion or otherwise oppress them. It’s so sad they were lied to and fell for it.

      • libraryshortcake

        It was Ryan, Romney, and fellow republicans that said during the campaign, and have a track record  of wanting to: get a pro-life Supreme Court justice appointed, overturn Roe v. Wade, de-fund Planned Parenthood, as well as many other plans that disproportionately impact women. No one was dumb enough to think R&R would outlaw all abortion and contraception on the first day in office… but they and others in the party were outspokenly leaning in that direction. They were definitely looking toward overturning R. v W., and in various ways limiting or restricting access to contraception and abortion. I don’t see how these were “lies” some women “fell for.”

        • 1Brett1

          Not to mention Romney’s flippant attitude toward equal pay legislation/concepts, and his lack of support for Lilly Ledbetter (and I’m being kind). 

          So, obstruct access to contraception, undermine access to abortion/appoint Supreme Court Judges who might just either out and out overturn Roe v. Wade or weaken its legal use, and pay women less for equal work…Now, libraryshortcake, does that sound like policies/political ideas women should have been worried about to you? [sarcasm]

          • libraryshortcake

            Dang! Turns out that was all a bunch of lies we silly women fell for!

            And an afterthought… a huge percentage of women are pro-life, but women STILL voted disproportionately for President Obama. I don’t think the women were vulnerable and bamboozled into their voting decisions.
            Meanwhile so many Republicans still believe outright LIES about Obama’s birthplace, citizenship, and religion (good thing they didn’t win an election based on believing lies!)

          • 1Brett1

            I thought Gregg’s line, “[golly, gee] I would have never believed women were [ever] so vulnerable.” Was laughable. Or, how ‘about the “fell for it” one?  Those remarks have a sexist tone, don’t they? I don’t know Gregg, can’t say what he’s really like, but he says a lot of sexist things…he says and does racist things, too (e.g., saying Colin Powell supported Obama only because they are both black; putting up videos on this forum of a parody of a ranting, stereotypical, poor, black woman saying how much she loves doing nothing and living on the government dole and how she loves Obama just because he’s black; black people vote for Obama because he’s black, etc.)…I don’t know? Are these antics sexist? Racist? Who would judge him differently based on these types of comments?

          • libraryshortcake

            Yes I feel the same way about Gregg and StillHere often, and yet I am glad they participate so that we can debate our opposing viewpoints and I can try to figure out where they’re coming from. It feels less like an echo chamber or “preaching to the choir”. Maybe I should go on Fox News chat boards and stir up some vitriol!

          • 1Brett1

            I know! Not that I know what an echo chamber feels like or that I’ve ever had a choir to preach to, mind you, but I appreciate the challenges of their interactive discourse; it does so much to keep us honest and move ideas forward…okay I can’r ven write that with a straight face…

          • Gregg Smith

            You should go to conservative blogs. Passion and even vitriol are fine but getting personal and gratuitously nasty does not move discourse forward. The best I can tell you did not do that. Don’t get me wrong, I do not give strangers the power to offend me. In a way I welcome the nastiness because it exposes them. I’ll leave it to you to decide who crosses that line and to what end.

          • Ray in VT

            I can only imagine what the Fox News comments section must look like today.  You should go over to Rush’s website and get in on the discussion there as well.

          • Gregg Smith

            Don’t imagine, give evidence. Rush doesn’t have a blog.

          • Ray in VT

            I wonder why that is?  Why would such a big thinker as Rush not open up his site via a comments section(not a blog) so that people could engage in some open and honest debate.  Sean Hannity does it.  Also, I knew that there was no comments section when I posted my comment here.  I just wanted tostir a pot myself.

          • Gregg Smith

            It’s a good thing blacks and women have you to speak for them. Lord knows we don’t want an honest discussion about race or women’s rights. It’s better instead to scream “racist” or “sexist” so we never have to. Right?

          • TomK_in_Boston

            They spoke for themselves, in the election.

          • Gregg Smith

            I’m not necessarily blaming them, they are vulnerable. I didn’t say gullible. They are too afraid (fear politics) to not believe Romney/Ryan want to take away their contraception. It’s a surreal charge.

          • libraryshortcake

            Yeah, but wasn’t it the Republican side that put certain fears out there? Or, I guess both sides put “fear” out there and the populace votes after exposure to both. How many people voted Republican because they feared having a Muslim, commie, Kenyan in office, believing lies and “fear politics?” It’s dirty politics but the media proliferates it on both sides.

          • Gregg Smith

            If you are trying  use the excuse “everybody does it” then it really doesn’t refute my charge. We know Republicans want dirty air and water, want back alley abortions, want to take away contraception, want to throw grandma over a cliff, want autistic children to suffer so the rich can get a tax cut and the sea level to rise.

            Those are the charges among others. That’s fear politics.

          • libraryshortcake

            True it is no excuse- ideally all sides would share the truth and facts without spin and bias, (and certainly without lies and character assassination) but there’s a whole science to campaigning now, and media outlets are beholden to their advertisers, so it’s hard to see things changing anytime soon.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            For example, the Ryan budget turns medicareinto a voucher.There’s very good reason to fear class warfare. 

          • Gregg Smith

            Obama forced 2 million seniors into vouchers.Any problems?

          • TomK_in_Boston

            It is not, and it’s not “scare tactics” to say RR wanted to end medicare, either. Their policies ARE scary.

          • Heather McAlpin

             Enough; we’re done listening to this boilerplate silliness and done bandying words with someone who is (still!) just spouting the party line. The times have changed, America is fed up with the Party of No, and you need to find a way to use your energy to help your neighbors and your country instead of carrying on this way.

          • Gregg Smith

            My neighbors and community are quite satisfied with my efforts of compassion.

          • Gregg Smith

            Lilly Ledbetter had nothing to do with women or equal pay.

          • 1Brett1

            Aside from the fact that you completely disregarded a comma in my first sentence, let me cut to the chase and bite: Tell us, Gregg, what was Lilly Ledbetter about?

          • Gregg Smith

            I’m not an expert and I won’t fake it with google like so many do. It was about statute of limitations for bringing cases to court. I could be wrong because I’m going by memory but I’m close. It applied to Men and Women without distinction. But I’m not here to debate the law. I was just correcting your misinformation (or educating you). You were piling on to a comment about the  alleged and dastardly agenda of Romney/Ryan regarding women. Lilly Ledbetter is a non-sequitur but it’s a fed talking point many swallow whole. Just another lie.

            The comma thing is funny.

          • 1Brett1

            Yes, you are correct on some of your points, It IS about the statute of limitations in bringing cases to court, and it is also about both men and women bringing cases to court, not just women. Those “cases” you speak of pertain specifically to  fair pay or equity in pay. So, you are incorrect there. Also, it has EVERYTHING to do with women, as women are more likely to bring such lawsuits, as they are more likely to be discriminated against regarding fair or equitable pay.

          • 1Brett1

            P.S.-Thanks for the comma joke recognition!

          • Gregg Smith

            Does the act even mention women?

      • jimino

        You’re surprised that women can read and understand what the candidates are saying (especially when they are caught being honest)?

        Or are you just saying “gals, don’t worry your purty little heads about this complicated platform and policy talk.  Y’all know we don’t really mean it (wink, wink) but we gotta say it to get a bunch of suckers to give us money and their vote.”

        • Gregg Smith

          When George Stephanopolous first brought up contraception, out of the blue, in a debate Romney had no idea what he was even talking about. The press ran with it and the next thing you know Ryan want’s in your bedroom. It’s silly. Just as many men were duped.

          • 1Brett1

            Romney doesn’t even know what contraception is, for Pete’s sake!

          • Gregg Smith

            Thank you.  

      • Sy2502

        This is precisely the kind of patronizing and disrespectful tone the GOP has had toward women that has cost them the election. Let me make a short and incomplete list of GOP actions and words that have tuned women off. 
        - Perry parading his Texas sonogram law. That is women who want an abortion MUST have an invasive sonogram. Why? Obviously women are incapable of taking decisions, therefore must be forcibly “helped” to make them. Insulting attitude, insulting invasive procedure.
        - Rush Limbaugh’s comments about Sandra Fluke. It is one thing to discuss the merits of birth control, quite another to call women who disagree with you “sluts”. Disgusting and misogynistic. 
        - All sorts of attacks to Planned Parenthood, including outright lies about federal money being spent for abortions.   One of the most disgusting was Susan G. Komen withholding breast cancer screening money “in case they got spent for abortions instead”. Preposterous.
        - Various GOP representatives opposing abortion even in case of risk of life for the mother. These are the same people who keep guns for self defense, but apparently a woman can’t fight for her life.
        - Akin’s comment on legitimate rape and women not getting pregnant in case of rape. Not only is it ignorant, but legally dangerous. Why not throw away all rape cases where the woman was raped? After all, if she got pregnant, it obviously wasn’t rape.
        - Murdock’s comment on rape being the will of god. Disgusting. 

        So yes, women must really be soft in the head to find anything wrong with the above, poor silly silly lasses. In fact they probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote at all since their vote is just the result of their mental fragility, not of rational thought, of which all GOP knows, they are completely incapable.
         

        • Gregg Smith

          You have a point about Perry but he went down in flames. Rush is a radio guy. He does not legislate. Regarding PP, does it matter which pocket the money comes from if it’s the same pair of pants? They make plenty of money they don’t need mine. Abortion is legal despite any opposition. That will never change. Any one who says so is fear mongering. Aiken and Mourdock are idiots and not reflective of the Republican Party any more than Chris Matthews is of the left.

          I have much more respect for women than you seem to. Do you believe women are stupid and powerless?

          • Sy2502

            “Do you believe women are stupid and powerless?”

            No, but apparently YOU do. Let me remind you that several red states have already passed all sorts of red tape laws against abortion, and that several have been trying to pass “personhood” laws stating a fetus is a person with equal rights. Don’t be disingenuous, women are smart enough to see what tricks the GOP has been up to.
            Women weak and fragile? Actually they showed the GOP they won’t be insulted with impunity. And the GOP lost. If they have any brains left in them, the GOP will now take a long hard look in the mirror about what they did wrong. Otherwise they’ll continue to treat women like a minority or an interest group, and continue lose one election after the other until they go the way of the dodo. 

  • http://twitter.com/tunnelman3 jason keedy

    I find it funny that Mona keeps talking about how harsh the Obama campaign pounded on Romney. As always Republicans can dish it but can’t take it. Politics are harsh…for Mona to say that Romney lost because of character assassination is an example of the conservative inability to look at the big picture. Romney himself was uninspiring; his policies were from the 1800′s; he was declared that half of the population didn’t matter… these are some of the nails for Romney’s campaign coffin. Even voter suppression couldn’t keep the will of the public down.

  • George Weber

    Tom,
    You have one of the best shows on NPR. I tune in every day.
    In general, you have thoughtful and reflective voices from the left and the right. That’s something I greatly appreciate as a moderate.  This is the second time now I’ve heard Mona Charen on your show…

    What a disgrace. A typical a uber-conservative fog-horn, who is perhaps ‘slightly’ more articulate than say Sarah Palin, but still brings nothing of value to the table.  Instead, her same-old-same-old bias GREATLY degrades the quality of your show’s discussion.  Her tone and arguments only resonate with a brain-washed point of view, that is beneath your average listeners’ intellect. Please continue to bring both sides to the table, but only invite conservative talking heads who use their brains and provide rational critiques. Someone like David Brooks for example.

    Ms. Charen is nothing more than a typical Fox News-esque noise box. Your show (and the conservative punditry) can provide much better. Please, make that the last time you invite her to participate.  

    Cheers

  • 1Brett1

    I’ve heard neocons today blame the election results on everything from Gov. Christie and women, to Hurricane Sandy…If this were yesterday, I wouldn’t have been able to make this stuff up if I had been joking…

    • J__o__h__n

      I blame the gays and feminists in New York who annoyed god who then sent the storm to punish them and inadvertantly provided Obama with an opportunity to be presidential. 

      • 1Brett1

        No, sir, those gays and feminists in New York deliberately flaunted their positions knowing they would anger god and make him send a storm to punish them, creating Obama’s advantage! 

      • Gregg Smith

        There are simply more people who now expect to be kept up and do-gooders to enable them than there are those who choose to pursue the American dream on there own terms. 

        • 1Brett1

          Yes, the mollycoddled and their damned enabling do-gooders! Why, if they are bound to die without being indulged by those wretched heart bleeders, than they’d better do so and decrease the excess population! 

          • Gregg Smith

            One small example: 

            I know first hand of people who trade food stamps for crack. It happens… often. Do you think it doesn’t or do yo believe taxpayer funded drug abuse is acceptable? And keep in mind their kids don’t get milk. 

            Or is this discussion not worth considering?

          • 1Brett1

            Interesting…so, in your mind, when considering this issue, one MUST either think people absolutely don’t abuse the system OR one MUST think taxpayer-funded drug abuse is acceptable AND no children of taxpayer-funded drug abusers drink milk? 

            If this is the way you want to frame the “discussion” in which you wish to engage, then, no, this “discussion” is not worth consideration for engagement.

          • 1Brett1

            Also, Gregg, if you are a primary witness to people trading crack for food stamps, then you should probably call authorities because A) crack is a dangerous drug, likely to destroy communities; possession of crack is a Federal crime and B) defrauding the government in such a manner is also a Federal crime. Why don’t you call authorities? No courage? Do you believe these people are doing something that is okay? Are you observing black people or white people doing this? Are you observing both black and white people doing this? If it is both white and black people, who is receiving the food stamps and who is receiving the crack?

          • Gregg Smith

            YES IT’S DEFRAUDING THE GOVERNMENT! That’s my point.  President Obama is enabling it, he is promising people he won’t take it away. He removed the work requirement from welfare with a stroke of a pen, no debate. Food stamp usage has gone through the roof and so has disability.

            And no, it’s not my job to tell the feds about the abuse the feds are enabling. 

          • Steve__T

             It is your civic duty.That’s my point.

          • 1Brett1

            Yeah, Steve, and my point, as well. Also, it’s a lie that Obama removed the work requirement. You’ve gone from absurd to propaganda. What’s next absurd propaganda?

          • Gregg Smith

            I don’t know how you get this stuff. I am not talking absolutes. I object to the notion that raising the issue means no compassion. It’s the opposite. Any time it’s suggested that we drug test welfare recipients it is met with knee-jerk nastiness and an honest debate is not possible. We can’t sit down and hash it out. Meanwhile taxpayers are funding drug abuse. How do we provide a safety net for those who need it without the system being abused beyond recognition at a time when we’re $16T in debt heeded for $20T?

            I thought my questions were easy but you did not answer them. What is so hard about saying “no and yes”? It’s the logical starting point.

          • 1Brett1

            I get this stuff from your questions. You say you never play dumb, so one can assume it’s not an act.

          • Gregg Smith

            There you go again.

          • 1Brett1

            One can’t answer your absurd questions because they are absurd. 

          • Gregg Smith

            Redundant dodge.

          • Steve__T

             You need to stop trading crack for food stamps, that’s illegal. First hand knowledge is considered participation. And if not first hand, knowledge of this crime and not reporting it is also considered a crime.

            You still want to discuss this on an open forum?

          • Gregg Smith

            Yes, I believe it should be discussed. How about drug testing welfare recipients? That seems reasonable.

          • Steve__T

             Who’s going to pay for it, money out of the persons who need it to support themselves or more taxes on the rest of us?
            Its not a creditable position or a feasible one.

          • Gregg Smith

            Money saved by cutting off the abusers should be ample.

          • Steve__T

             After you look at the cost of one test which run about $60-75.00 per person multiply that by the amount of recipients and you have created a new fiscal debt.

        • Heather McAlpin

           It’s “their own terms” not “there own terms”, and your comment is just as inaccurate as your grammar.

          • Gregg Smith

            Thanks for the enlightenment. I had know idea. But be careful, playing grammar cop bites you in the butt every time. Not to mention it is a shallow way to avoid a coherent response.

    • Sy2502

      Last night I actually heard a die hard Republican blame women for being so stupid and for voting in a way that will destroy the country. He stopped only a hair short of suggesting women are probably too stupid to be allowed to vote. This is the GOP for you.

      • 1Brett1

        Well, perhaps that’s being unfair. After all, for example, our resident neocon has never said women are too stupid to be allowed to vote, but he might also say that using the phrase ‘probably too stupid’ is not quite the same thing, so don’t parse them as synonymous. He’d probably also say he’ll not comment on whether women should be allowed to vote, it’s already law, so the point is moot.” So, perhaps we are being too harsh on those fine pillars of equality… 

        • Steve__T

           ROFLOL

  • Michele

    I am gratified that women seemed to make some great strides as there are more women in the Senate than ever before. Let’s hear it for social and economic parity!

  • cg9

    Give me a royal break!  The Big Lie must die.
    Let’s talk givers and the takers, shall we?
    From US News:  “Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters With
    Their Taxes” By DAVID BRODWIN, September 18, 2012
    “Studies show that states that elect Democrats contribute the most in federal taxes relative to what they consume in government services. Conversely, many states that elect Republicans contribute the least in taxes relative to the services they consume. This is true even though many Democratic states contain large, poor, urban populations of color.
    “Here’s the evidence: The 10 “Tax Producing States” listed below, left, contribute the most in tax revenues relative to the services they consume. They usually vote Democratic. The ten “Tax Dependent States” listed below consume the most in government services relative to the taxes they pay. And they usually vote Republican. (Each state’s name is shown in blue if voters there lean toward Obama, and red if they lean toward Romney, as per Nate Silver’s 538 blog.)

    “More detailed analysis confirms this pattern. Even the libertarians at the journal Reason acknowledge this so-called  ”Red/Blue Paradox.”
    “Blue Counties Subsidize Red Counties
    “The same imbalance prevails within states, at the county level. The Blue counties contribute the most state taxes relative to the services they consume. The Red counties consume the most services relative to the taxes they pay. For example, a recent study documented the pattern in Washington state. King County, the solidly-Democratic county that surrounds Seattle, provides “nearly 42% of the state’s tax revenues, yet receives only 25% of the money spend from Washington’s general fund.” Conversely, five counties that require the most in services relative to the taxes they pay are largely Republican.”

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Some deeply disturbed individuals are no longer in our government: Alan West and Joe Walsh, to name two. That’s good. And we have new stars like SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN  and iraq war hero Tammy Duckworth. That’s very good.

    It would be nice if we could move the debate beyond Rockefeller republican vs crazy republican. I mean, the 1% could easily pay a lot higher rate than clinton era. Why not 50%? How about an apollo project sort of thing for infrastructure or energy? I’d like to hear some actual progressive ideas, not more compromise with the extreme right under the name of “bipartisanship”.

    • Gregg Smith

      Did they call the Alan West contest yet?

      • Mike_Card

        It has been called for Murphy, but West won’t concede; he insists that West’s 2400 vote lead will be overcome by 3500 absentee ballots from overseas soldiers.  Given West’s military record, I’m hearing a lot of eye-rolling (not to mix metaphors beyond belief).

      • TomK_in_Boston

        I guess not, actually. The forcibly retired Lt Col is asking for a recount and muttering about irregularities, ’cause,  you know how hostile the florida elections people are to far righties.

        Looks to me like he lost, we can only hope.

        • Gregg Smith

          Mia Love lost too, it must be racism. What else could it be?

          • Steve__T

             That’s sick

          • Gregg Smith

            I know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1091744903 Tracy Estabrook Boal

    Mona’s vacuous, talking head bimbo-isms are only a minor symptom of a systemic problem. If the Republican party is committed to spinning this crap to explain their loss, they will  lose at an ever-accelarating rate in the future. I’d welcome a return to sane, old-school conservativism; it could do nothing but benefit the country. But that would mean a purge of the religious nutbags, the anti-science and anti-intellectual segment, the bigots, the pseduo-fiscally-conservative Tea Partiers, the big-money Koch brother types, the Grover Norquist trickle-down fantasists, the sociopathic Ayn Rand cultists, the Neocons, the mindless jingoists, and on and on.

    But if they purge the crazies, they are left with principles almost indistinguishable from those of the modern Democratic Party (currently positioned a hair left of “Saint” Reagan’s in terms of practical governance). Many sane conservatives are probably hoping that the party has hit rock bottom with this election, and can take an honest look in the mirror and remake itself. Into what, remains unclear.

    Personally, I predict we have at least another couple of election cycles of bug-shagging, mouth-foaming insanity in the offing before that happens. If it ever does.

    • Mike_Card

      Hear, hear!

  • hennorama

    I just saw a clip of sleazy Dick Morris, and I noticed something I hadn’t noticed before – he LITERALLY talks out of both sides of his mouth.  While I don’t recommend anyone exposing themselves to the words of this odious person, here’s the evidence: (about 30 seconds in, he switches from left to right, practically mid-word!)

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2012/11/01/dick-morris-romney-will-win-landslide

    One can’t make these characters up, as reality is far stranger than fiction.

    • Gregg Smith

      I can’t watch him. It’s the letter “R” that makes his mouth twitch to the side. He’s eating crow today. BTW, I still respect his knowledge of the process. He’s smart. I pointed out earlier this election reminds me of 1996. I did not believe Clinton could be reelected, especially after the historic 1994 midterm. That is one reason why I did not make any bold predictions despite feeling somewhat confident. Plus, it’s not my nature. Dick Morris pulled it off and Clinton won. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/luke.held.9 Luke Held

    Wow, that was a BRUTAL show.  Mona did not answer one of Tom’s questions.  She avoided every single one, Tom attempted to reel her in, but to no luck.  Nice try Tom.

    Until hearing this I was feeling very good, that it was time to work together, but this sounds like the right is just digging in for another 4 years of NOTHING.  I sure hope Mona is a on off in the party, but I’m terribly afraid not.  Will someone please save our politics!

    • Steve__T

       Not until we get big money out. We need to put a cap on political spending and get the lobbyist out of DC.

  • Tim_Brownell

    Tom - 

    You have one of my favorite shows on the radio but this guest Mona Charen is hard to even listen to.  I enjoy that your show always makes an effort to paint both sides of the canvas and many of your conservative guests do a good job offering their perspective that is different from mine.  Don’t have Mona Charen back again though please.  It is embarrassing the day after an election to be entirely defensive, antagonistic and not at all introspective.  This Mona Charen quickly reminded me of Karl Rove last night as he stood on the sinking ship refusing to see the water rushing over his head.  

    I listen for insightful commentary – your show does not need a Fox News style antagonizer.  

    Thanks for reading, 
    Tim

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=533302760 Nicole Bouchard Tejeiro

      What I found most offensive was the Ms. Charen seems to dismiss the results and chalks it all up to Obama manipulating the electorate. Voters are smarter than she gives them credit for, they spoke, and she should take that to heart and maybe just listen. 

  • http://www.dogoodgauge.org The Do Good Gauge

    Understanding fallacies provides insight into typical political tactics.  Framing the argument as if there were only two side of a political argument is called a false dichotomy or a false dilemma.   I’m not exactly how to categorize Mona Charen’s heretic behaviour which is typical of many damning the American political landscape. Maybe pin the tail on the donkey. 

    “Blaming others for the worst of one’s own actions to gain political influence.”

    Has anybody noticed this behaviour?  Please help provide a better understanding of the types of fallacies Mona Charen’s is using.  Though the word hypocrite is not typically thought of as a fallacy, maybe it should be added as a category.

  • Gregg Smith

    Tom said Fox was one of the last to call Ohio for Obama, not true.

  • JGC

    Karl  Rove… So much for the elusive “permanent” Republican voting majority that he has been salivating over for the past 20 years.     

    • Gregg Smith

      Did you listen to Rush today?

      • JGC

        Yes, I just made a comment in the other On Point hour today.  He was clearly grappling with an unexpected second Obama term. 

        • Gregg Smith

          I replied there.

  • BLewis6

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Bush reached out to African Americans through NCLB?!?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! What a joke! NCLB was designed to eliminate funding for public schools, beginning with those in poor/minority neighborhoods! How is this reaching out to African Americans? Then she said Bush got no credit for this. Of course he did. We blamed him for trying to destroy public schools. This is the credit he deserves. Look up “just desserts” and you’ll see this explanation.Mona doesn’t know what she’s talking about!

    • Gregg Smith

      It was designed to provide a modicum of accountability. It increased funding big time. It was written by Ted Kennedy. To close a school (never happened) they would have to be a colossal failure for an eon. 

      However, I think Charen was wrong that it reached out to blacks. That assumes blacks are the only ones in failing schools with lousy teachers who cannot be fired. Blacks favor school vouchers as a way to escape being trapped in such situations. Obama will have none of it.

      • BLewis6

        Oh, because the GOP is known for wanting to sustain public schools and increase federal gov’t intervention into schools? This creates an obvious contradiction between theory and practice, which should at least prompt you to look at NCLB further. Once you do, you’ll realize what education policy researchers have: NCLB is designed to eliminate public schools.

        No, it wasn’t written by Ted Kennedy. The program was set up in Texas under then Governor Bush and his Texas education secretary. Then Bush became president and his education secretary was appointed to the secretary of the U.S. Dept. of Ed. (you know, that department Reagan promised to eliminate, because the GOP likes it so much). Since NCLB was already implemented in TX, Bush proposed it for the entire U.S. Teddy Kennedy supported it, but never wrote it. He also wasn’t aware what it was designed to do, which is why he later opposed it. How often does someone write a bill and then oppose it that you know of?

        Standardized tests don’t provide accountability. They don’t even assess what students learn. 70% of the variation in test scores is due to income of the parents. The majority of the remaining variation is due to education of the parents. How much does that leave to assess learning?Voucher schools have proven to be no more effective and frequently less effective than public schools. This was inevitable, since test scores have to do with parental income and education and not learning. So, as long as the parents’ income and education remains the same, test scores will remain the same, regardless whether voucher schools are better or worse than public schools.

        I could go on and on regarding your comments, but I think I’ve demonstrated my point.If you’d like some reading materials to learn more or some radio programs to hear what education researchers have to say, I can help you out. Bottom line? NCLB was designed to eliminate public schools.

        • Gregg Smith

          “ It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH).”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act 

          I’ve studied it and debated it with teachers who hate it. I know about the 100% requirement and the fallacies associated with it. It was not designed to eliminate funding. You may disagree, fine.

          I do not think poor means stupid as you seem to. All I said about vouchers is blacks support them. I’ll add the word “overwhelmingly”.

          • BLewis6

            Gregg, do you understand how gov’t works? Legislators rarely write their own bills, especially complex bills. Kennedy didn’t author it. He didn’t co-author it. It came out of TX. Look it up. Wikipedia referring to the author simply refers to ‘sponsors’ of the bill.

            You didn’t read what I said. Maybe you’re not a researcher. When I said 70% of the variation has to do with the income of the parents, I’m saying “IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ASSESSING LEARNING.” Less than 50% of the questions on these standardized tests can be found in ANY textbook in the U.S. In other words, students aren’t learning about what’s on the tests from classroom curriculum. They’re learning what’s on the test from experiences outside the classroom. This is why wealthier kids score better. Not because they’re smarter, but because they have more experiences. It’s the design of the test that’s the problem. I could explain it to you, but I don’t have all day and unlimited space.

            This is also the reason the U.S. does so poorly in comparison to other countries on standardized tests. Other developed countries don’t have the extraordinary poverty the U.S. has, so their students perform better. Not because they’re smarter, but because they’re not in poverty. If you want to increase scores on standardized tests, as if this is the goal of education, then the best thing you could do is get people out of poverty. The tests measure poverty, not learning/intelligence.

            African Americans overwhelmingly support vouchers? I’m sorry, I thought we were talking about NCLB destroying education or NCLB measuring accountability. I didn’t know the measure of education quality had anything to do with choice. Are you changing your argument? A lot of people like gambling. Does that mean they have a legitimate chance of winning?

            You can argue with teachers all you want. They don’t actually know anything about education policy (on average). They know about teaching. I research education policy. Arguing with me is different. Please, begin listening to education researchers from academia and then you’ll understand NCLB.

          • Gregg Smith

            My problem was with your claim: “NCLB was designed to eliminate funding for public schools, beginning with those in poor/minority neighborhoods!” I think that’s sick.

            Ted Kennedy was not merely a sponsor (and yes I understand how it works) he spent his life dedicated to education. I did not like him but I respected that. He was not a wallflower.

            I began with reading the bill but that was years and years ago. You were the one who poo-pooed vouchers in response to my claim blacks supported them. I did not speak to their effectiveness. I did not advocate NCLB either. I thought it was too expensive. I don’t have kids and don’t believe public schools add to the common good. I’m sure you disagree. Fine. 

            I make my living in the music industry but I’ve also held a Commercial General Contractors license since 1999. The class I took to prepare had nothing to do with building or the code. It was all about how to pass the test which was devious. My point is, teaching to the test has real world applications. 

            The tests provided accountability but I’m sure there is a better way. It just hasn’t been proposed and before NCLB there was nothing.

            When push comes to shove you are indeed equating poor and stupid. You also equated poor with minority. By extension that can only mean you equate minority with stupid. I don’t subscribe to that theory.

          • BLewis6

            No Gregg, please do some research. Pointing out that test scores don’t measure classroom learning and then pointing out that they instead measure income doesn’t mean I’m equating poor with stupid. Your inability to understand statistical measures is confusing you. If 90% of the variation has to do with something other than classroom learning, that means standardized tests don’t measure classroom learning. If you score poorly on something that doesn’t measure learning (or intelligence for that matter), then that doesn’t show that you’re not learning anything. Instead, the tests show that poor people are poor. That’s what the tests do. It does it so accurately that researchers can accurately predict income based on test scores and vice versa. Test scores don’t measure education/learning, they measure income and education of the parents. Nothing more, nothing less.

            There are plenty of other measures of education quality and plenty of other accountability measures. I take it you’re not a teacher either. Teachers are constantly evaluated. Again, read the book I recommended. Kohn explains alternatives to testing and he did so before NCLB. So, if the methods didn’t exist prior to NCLB, how did he write about them?

          • Steve__T

             You are wasting your time his opinions are sacrosanct to him, and he will only rebut with dribble.

          • Gregg Smith

            No, I don’t agree with your claim that  ”90% of the variation has to do with something other than classroom learning”. And it’s a tangent. I have been clear and you are drifting.

            I’m not going to read a book for you. NCLB was not designed to defund and close minority schools. The notion is sick. Ted Kennedy would not condone it, neither would Bush. That’s all I’m saying.

          • BLewis6

            Gregg, you don’t have to agree. That’s the beautiful thing about reality. It is whether you believe it or agree with it or not. This is a KNOWN fact that every education researcher (you know, those professors with research degrees called Ph.D) recognizes. You don’t have to agree.
            Yes, Bush would have and did sign off on it. The GOP has vowed to end the Dept. of Ed. Ever since integration, the South has begun vehemently opposing public schools and funding for public schools and national intervention in public schools. Seriously, you haven’t researched education policy at all. Stop by my university and you can sit through my lectures on education policy.
            Teddy didn’t know it was an assault on public schools until later, which is why he later opposed it. Again, look it up.

          • Gregg Smith

            I support gettingridof DOE, our children would be smarter.

          • BLewis6

            A book you may be interested in: http://www.alfiekohn.org/books/tcast.htm. Kohn points out that over 90% of the variation of test scores has nothing to do with classroom learning.

            It’s like giving a math test to a philosophy class. Or maybe a philosophy exam to a welder. It doesn’t make sense.

          • BLewis6
  • galdove

    Mona Charen simply showed herself as a cynically negative person and will be that way for at least another four years. She doesn’t understand that she is part of the problem. 

    • Gregg Smith

      She was very reasonable.

      • Heather McAlpin

        Is it reasonable not to admit the truth when it’s right in one’s face? The Dems won; it wasn’t a fluke or a squeaker– President and Senate majority with gains and gains in the House. All Tom asked her to do was explain that, and she couldn’t, so she went back to the nauseatingly familiar conservative “Lying Points”, with a little racism sprinkled over the top for lagniappe. I honestly don’t get how anyone could BEAR to listen Mona Charen’s threadbare right-wing echo-chamber interpretations of the election, though I know it’s that very obtuseness which is rapidly rendering the Republican party obsolete and which gave progressives our 2012 victory last night ..I should probably rejoice that she cannot face/see/grasp/hear reality because the right’s utter lack of understanding confers political advantage on the left, but I think I’ve heard enough of the conservative pundits’ pretzel logic for the time being.  For now, the right wing needs to shut up and let the functioning adults continue to straighten out the mess left by their boy, W.  Tom, PLEASE NO MORE!!!!!

        P.S. She was completely misinformed about the auto company bailout. It is actually a good investment for the US government, one they will eventually make money on.

        • AwareinMichigan

           Auto bailout…Mona says it cost the taxpayers but didn’t the companies pay back their loans ahead of schedule?

          • Gregg Smith

            No, $25 billion is gone for good.

        • Gregg Smith

          They shut down the Volt factory.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1273328048 Tomasina Covell

         NON!  She was a Harkonnen animal!

        • Steve__T

           You have to know that you are replying to one.

          • Gregg Smith

            Just when I was starting to like you.

          • Steve__T

             You have never liked me.

          • Gregg Smith

            I said “starting”. On occasion you are reasonable.

          • Steve__T

             But I have never seen you change your opinion, you are hard to get a point across to.You are totally argumentative  in the face of facts. And I still remember that remark you made about my Grandmother.

      • galdove

        If she was reasonable, at any point we should have heard her say ‘Your right Tom, I understand that makes sense’. But for her to agree with anyone other than her kind doesn’t exist.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/57H6N5BIJBFO5XDSAE5GIHMC6Y Doug

    Tom,

    I didn’t hear the whole 1st hour so I was wondering if there was a discussion of what was evident about the panoramic TV shots of Obama’s HQ and Romney’s HQ – it was just a sea of white folks at Romney’s and a cross section of America at Obama’s  – this is why Romney lost. 

  • Sy2502

    The GOP truly and honestly has only itself to blame for losing this election. I still remember when the GOP nominee race started there were so many Obama voters that were disenchanted and disappointed of him, and would have been very open minded about voting a Republican. Then they saw the GOP lineup, with the likes of Bauchman Perry, and Santorum, and how extremist they were. In my opinion the main author of the GOP demise was Santorum, when he decide to go on his personal, Catholic crusade against birth control, immediately helped by Limbaugh and his despicable comments about Sandra Fluke. That in my opinion was when the GOP lost the race. It was all down hill from there, between Romney’s comment on the 47%, and the legitimate rape and similar grotesque remarks. At that point even the those disappointed by Obama were too disgusted by the GOP to vote for them.

  • Robby Shaver

    Ms. Charen utters banal inanities with absolute confidence – for example, here’s a couple from her column right before the election. “The polls are so close that they don’t yield enough information no matter how cleverly we massage the data, examine the internals, or parse the turnout projections.” Wrong – intelligent observers like Nate Silver were able to extract very meaningful information from those very polls she confidently dismissed. “I will smile amiably at Democrats … while confidently expecting them to be, on Wednesday, the minority.” Wrong again – but such confidence! Her blathering just crowds out the insights of truly perceptive people. Tom – in future, do yourself (and all of us) a favor – please don’t give her the (air) time of day. Your show is too good for that.

  • Gregg Smith

    John Boehner has now reached out for a compromise but that’s not the strategy that worked for Democrats in 2004.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/after-bush-was-re-elected-in-2004-democrats-in-congress-did-not-compromise/article/2512871#.UJsSFGgTtaV

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Hahaha.

      “Bush’s first item of his agenda was Social Security reform. That quickly died after Democrats whipped up a frenzied reaction, scaring most Republicans away from the issue.”

      “Reform” is righty newspeak for “screw the middle class”. How about that, the Dems didn’t “compromise”, “reach across the aisle”, etc to privatize SS. Good! I hope pols are scared away from messing with SS. 

      There’s a difference between bipartisanship and negotiating with terrorists.

      • Gregg Smith

        Alrighty then.

        • TomK_in_Boston

          Do you really want to claim that pursuing your own long-term objective (“reforming” ie privatizing SS) is “compromise”? If I’ve been telling my wife to do something for 20 years, she doesn’t consider it “compromise” when I repeat it again in the 21′st.

  • rachelc2

    Mona on Romney’s inability to get minority vote: “It would have been nearly impossible to get an African American’s heart and mind, when there’s an African American on the ballot, lets just face it.”
    Really, Mona? You defend questions about republican ability to be relatable to black voters while simultaneously insulting black voters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1273328048 Tomasina Covell

    Mona Charen is nothing but a lying cunt that is from the worst of the fascist right wing noise making machine, nothing that she said made any relevance and nothing Ashbrook asked put that bitch in her place which has no place on public broadcasting!  Fucking n-p-r is FOX!

    • hennorama

      While I enjoy a good curse as much as the next person, your language has no place in this forum.  We prefer a more polite method of name calling.  Perhaps next time you could try something like “I told Mona Charen ‘See you next Tuesday!’ ” or “that dog-in-heat Mona Charen” or even NPR should “shut the front door.”  personally I prefer [expletive deleted] to get my point across.

      So, yes, I’m the one who flagged your post.

      • Gregg Smith

        No one seemed to mind when Bill Maher called Sarah Palin the same vulgar term.

        But thanks, I with you on this. The comment is disgusting and if we point it out it while letting it stand it is preferable to flagging.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1273328048 Tomasina Covell

        How credulous.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      To say the least, a few of those words don’t really belong here.

    • ExcellentNews

       Please do not use the same language that Fox listeners use to get their point across…

  • david_coberly

    “It would have been just nearly impossible to win an African-American’s heart and mind when there’s an African-American on the ballot — let’s just face it.”

    I am no longer interested in reading or listening to anything Mona Charen has to say, and will turn the radio off the next time she comes on.  Her old-school racism has no place in modern political discourse.

    • AwareinMichigan

       Exactly!  Her comment made me nauseated!

  • AwareinMichigan

    As an independent voter, I’ll tell you why I voted for Obama…first, Obama comes across as trustworthy because he answers questions, Romney appeared slimy and willing to say whatever it took to get what he wanted, without ever really answering questions.  Second, in the state of Michigan, we have experienced the Republican agenda full force…a Republican Governor, House, and Senate have resulted in an abuse of power that has affected everyone I know and myself detrimentally.  Republicans refuse to allow Democrats to speak on the floor, refuse to acknowledge motions made by Democrats, lied and deceived the public and then say “but we’ve done nothing illegal”, pass laws that are found unconstitutional by the courts which they waste taxpayer money fighting, refuse to compromise or even review Democrat ideas, and overall revealed their belief that the general citizen is inferior and ignorant.  As a public servant I am disgusted and concerned by the elitist and extreme agenda of the Republican party.

  • hennorama

    All in all, Election Day was a repudiation of:

    1. “The ends justify the means.”

    1a. “I’ll say anything no matter how untrue or whether or not I believe it, in order to get elected.”

    2. Anonymous and not-so-anonymous big money donors’ efforts to buy the election.

    Plus, voters in CO and WA said “Can’t we all just get a bong?” and 4 states (ME, MD, MN & WA) considered same-sex marriage, and at least two of them sided with gay rights advocates, and WA & MN are currently 50/50 tooclosetocall on the issue.

    The words “Fabulouuuus!” and “The Dude abides.” spring to mind for some reason.

    Time to rethink, Republicans, Conservatives, Tea Partiers, et al.

    • Gregg Smith

      That’s EXACTLY what this election proved and what was proven in 2008 as well.

      And no, I don’t think Republicans and Tea Partiers ought to get onto the gutter although it’s plain the nastiness  and lies worked.

  • pete18

      “I
    can see only one good outcome from yesterday’s election: the fact that
    Barack Obama will be the president who inherits the mess left by Barack
    Obama.”

    -John Hinderaker

    • ExcellentNews

       Obama has the right policies. The only mess he inherits is that of a corporate-sponsored republican congress that is hell-bent on sinking the ship just so that a few billionaires can lower their tax burden from 14% to 7%.

      • pete18

        Funny how short your memory is. Obama had the house and senate for two-years and implemented all his “right policies” and they all made things worse. The public responded to those policies and results by voting in a republican house.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1421666010 Wilbur Blount

    Tom, you let a caller from Nebraska make the absurd claim that people who live in the urban centers are the ones on the government teet??? He’s calling you from Nebraska, a state that wouldn’t/could not exist without government subsidies.  Has that caller ever heard of the Farm Bill?  It’s also the home of Strategic Air Command which means they are getting a lot of my tax dollars by way of military spending.  Nebraska also has a significant mining industry that benefits from the largess of Congress.

    Then Mona Charen makes the absurd claim (among others) that republicans couldn’t be expect to compete for african american votes with a black president on the opposing ticket.  Why not?  If that candidate had been Clarence Thomas or Herman Cain instead of Barack Obama he wouldn’t have been competative amongst african american voters.  My point is that if the republican party wants my vote then I expect them to compete for it in every election.  Barack Obama won african american votes not because he is black but because he was the right candidate.  Mona Charen needs to get her head on straight and the republican party would be better served without people like her trying to represent it.    

    • ExcellentNews

      So true… besides, he forgot to mention that urban or rural, it is still one vote for one person. It happens that MOST Americans live in cities now and not in the country. Our democracy is based on people, not acreage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1741643803 Charlie McNamee

           Congratulations to the media who must have made more from political ads in one campaign than I as a former teacher for 40 years (now retired in the lower middle “class”), and 200,000 other teachers with similar length’s service collectively made over their entire teaching career.
           $6,000,000,000 would have dug us out of a good portion of our deficit. Maybe next time?

          
     
          

          

  • superpage

    Mona seems to just say things and hope the listener doesn’t know they are lies.  The Obama Campaign did NOT release a political ad inferring that Romney was responsible for killing a woman.  That was a Super PAC.  No coordination.  No control.  The ad was also not aired.  It just existed and the media and internet did the distribution work.  

    Europe’s problem is NOT that they promised too much, taxed too much, and redistributed too much.  There are plenty of countries that have high tax rates and high social services which are thriving.  Sweden and Norway for example.  Europe’s problem is that hey have a currency treaty but not a political treaty.  If Greece were not on the Euro, their currency would drop and value and exports would increase and promote trade and economic growth.  

    I find it interesting that whenever she was presented with a topic that she could not find a respectable counterpoint, she just changed the subject to attack Obama.  She talks a lot but doesn’t say much.

  • JKermitS

    Listening to Mona Charen you can hear exactly why the Republicans are fading, gradually at first, but at an ever increasing rate. The Democrats must have been thrilled to let her rant on about where the country is heading, since that rhetoric is exactly why everyone voted for Obama. It was a vote against people like her by those of us from all races who see the future not the past. Her comment that the 90% of African Americans who voted for Obama did so because of race was particularly revealing as to why she and those who think like her have become irrelevant to the increasing majority of this country who have moved beyond her way of thinking. How come no one argues the flip side of that coin, that the 60% of the whites who voted for Romney did so because of his race? No question a significant amount of the white vote Romney received was because of race, but no one brings that up. No one brings up the fact that Obama is still 50% white as well. The fact remains that for some in America, only pure white is “one of us”. Also note – 40% of white voters voted for Obama – and that’s a huge number of votes! For many of us, race has become unimportant, and that’s something Mona will never understand or feel.

  • ExcellentNews

    AWESOME AMERICA!!! Tinpot dictators, slave-labor communist bureaucrats, oil sheiks, and assorted global oligarchs TREMBLED as we the people DECIDED how to govern ourselves peacefully.

    And the choice was made not because of demographics. It was made not because of women. Not because of campaigning. The choice was made because the people CANNOT BE FOOLED anymore.

    Pandering to the oligarchs does not create jobs. Giving them another tax cut, when they already pay only 14%, does not create wealth. Trickle down does not work. And all the propaganda that Mona shills for, delivered by the media, and paid for by corporate PACs, DID NOT FOOL THE VOTERS.

    The people saw the coming of another feudal age, just like the caller at 27:00 said. They saw how billionaires are co-opting religion and hatred to carve themselves a hereditary oligarchy. They saw that the real reasons for their economic hardship are job outsourcing, increasing automation, deregulation, lack of education and investment. Obama spoke to that. Romney spoke of the 47% like the feudal lords of days gone spoke of their peons.

    PEOPLE – do not rest and go to sleep after the election. The hard problems remain ahead. A deficit of 11 TRILLION inherited from Bush corporate welfare state + 5 trillion from Obama will be weighing on us. The oligarchs will not take it gently. Unlike you, they do not have bills to pay on the first of the month. Corporate coffers are bulging with 10 TRILLION in retained profits, and they are in no hurry to “create jobs” unless you consider jobs in slave-labor dictatorships that hate American DEMOCRACY. But no matter what hardships remain to be faced, remember how WE THE PEOPLE spoke last night – and beware the corporate propaganda machine.

  • gardanni

    There were two references on the show that were factually incorrect; I am not certain if they were uttered by the same or different speakers. In any case, this is a storyline that I have heard repeated across MANY media channels.

    It is NOT correct that the giant contributions by people such as Sheldon Adelson did not have an effect. They had a HUGE effect.

    1. They prompted EQUALLY GIANT CONTRIBUTIONS by the other side! This is money that was effectively “threatened” out of people’s pockets who feared the success of leaving those contributions unmatched. In a sense, this is a form of extortion.

    2. The giant contributions might not be matched next time around; this potential imbalance is a huge story in itself. Indeed, the defeat of California’s initiative to label GMOs was defeated due to very heavy spending on the part of Agribusiness [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-simon/prop-37-defeated_b_2087782.html].

    3. Six billion dollars of spending between the two campaigns doesn’t just vanish! The media conglomerates absorbed ENORMOUS profit during this campaign season!

    Each of these angles presents a real story, and it is disappointing for your guests to have written off that the unlimited spending in this election was inconsequential.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Spencer-Doidge/1223386779 Spencer Doidge

    Mona, hostility to “illegal” immigration *is* hostility to Hispanics. It’s wishful thinking and dishonesty to suppose otherwise.

    Immigrants overwhelmingly help this country run. Ask any farmer who he can depend on to do a good job picking and processing the crops. To pursue, persecute, and deport workers essential to our very lives is irrational in the extreme. The only possible motivation for it is racism.

    “Illegal” immigration is a whipping boy seized upon by GOP operatives as the bogeyman du jour after they failed to sway America on abortion and gays.

    • pete18

       So I take it, Spencer, you are a supporter of open borders?

  • art525

    Mona Cheren is quite a tap dancer.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PTPXB4H4GQLTA5HE3RRVODSOK4 Ian

    WASHINGTON STATE passed gay marriage AND marijuana legalization, but NO ONE EVER talks about our state…EVER. Completely ignored. So frustrating. We have a lot of people and little voice.

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