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Week In The News: Sandy Chaos And The Campaign’s Last Days

Superstorm Sandy shatters the Eastern Seaboard:  Boardwalk gone.  Subway flooded. New Jersey staggers.  And Obama and Romney push to the final days of the campaign.   Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

President Barack Obama, center, and and Gov. Chris Christie meet with local residents as they tour neighborhood effected by superstorm Sandy, Wednesday, Oct. 31, 2012 in Brigantine, N.J. Also with them is Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., left. (AP)

President Barack Obama, center, and and Gov. Chris Christie meet with local residents as they tour neighborhood effected by superstorm Sandy, Wednesday, Oct. 31, 2012 in Brigantine, N.J. Also with them is Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., left. (AP)

A super storm for the record books this week, and stormy, super-charged politics on the homestretch to Election Day.  Hurricane Sandy.  Massive.  Laying into the East coast.  Laying waste.  Across a huge front.  Drowning subways in New York.  Blasting New Jersey.

Beating us over the head with costly climate change, says Businessweek magazine.  Their huge cover headline:  “It’s Global Warming, Stupid.”  Unemployment ticks up.  So does hiring.  Barack Obama and Mitt Romney make their closing arguments.

This hour, On Point:  our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

David Shepardson, Washington bureau chief for the Detroit News.

Margaret Talev, White House Correspondent for Bloomberg News.

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

Politico “President Barack Obama and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie cemented their new-found mutual admiration society on Wednesday, as the men gushed with praise for one another while touring damage from Hurricane Sandy on the devastated Jersey Shore.”

New York Times “Mr. Obama’s return to the trail comes after a day that produced remarkable images of cooperation between the president and one of his harshest critics, Chris Christie, the Republican governor of New Jersey. The two men toured the state’s storm-ravaged coast, declaring themselves partners in the recovery efforts.”

National Journal “A few days ago, I sat down with Rob Jesmer, the executive director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Jesmer is usually tight-fisted about his polling; he doesn’t share it with members of the media when the numbers are good for his candidates, which avoids the inevitably uncomfortable dilemma when the numbers are bad for his candidates. But he wanted to open his books, if only for a peek, to demonstrate a phenomenon happening across the political spectrum these days: His polls look nothing like polls Democrats are conducting.”

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  • JGC

    On the front of today’s Globe and Mail (Toronto), there was a photo of Governor Christie and President Obama comforting marina owner Donna Vanzant in Brigantine.  You can see every deeply etched line in her face from her years out in the sun and wind and on the water, taking care of her marina; but made deeper today from her distress  to see her life’s work upended.   

  • ttajtt

    we are the government.   not A hired paid profit margin private business to do the raiding verse the government who the bucks stops at.   who will be in charge.  no safe place for our family – money – value savings now.  a middle class is what we should strive laws for to be at. 

  • JGC

    When Governor Christie said the loss was almost incalcuable, I thought, of course it is: the insurance companies are trying to calculate the losses right now.  Only later did I realize he was also  talking about a way of life, a personal history. That is why the Politico statement above (“Obama/Christie mutual admiration society…gushed praise for one another while touring damage from Hurricane Sunday) is such a cheap shot.

  • Duras

    Romney changes his mind yet again; this time on FEMA.  Now that’s what I call unflinching leadership. 

    • Shag_Wevera

      Is the name Duras from Star Trek and the Klingon Duras clan?

      • Duras

        Marguerite Duras, the French Writer.  Not a very good writer by the way.  I was just looking around my room to find a name to use. 

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Why is Bloomberg going ahead with the NYC marathon?
    The news this AM cut from a stories about countless people and filling stations without power to pictures of huge generators sitting in Central Park awaiting the marathon.

  • HaircutterRomney

    Watch this before you cast your ballot, thanks.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrlYY-BPrFU&feature=youtu.be

    • William

       Are some of those people former Delphi workers that Obama took away their pensions and gave them to the UAW?

      • Don_B1

        Obama did NOT just take away the pensions of Delphi’s non-union workers; see:

        http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2012/apr/30/michael-turner/michael-turner-says-political-favoritism-and-backr/

        But Romney and his wife, Ann, invested in a hedge fund company that bought up Delphi when it was in bankruptcy at $0.67 a share and the value now is above $34.00 a share. That company also blackmailed GM into paying multiples more than previously for necessary parts as GM was going through its bankruptcy, which GM had to agree to or go totally out of business. So why doesn’t the revived Delphi company resume paying for the defaulted pensions? It was Delphi’s failure to pay into the pension fund back in the mid 2000s that put the pensions in peril in the first place.

  • 1Brett1
  • 1Brett1

    “Fema? I’d shut it down.” -Mitt Romney during a GOP Primary debate. 
    Romney on FEMA, 10/30/12: I believe that FEMA plays an important key role in working with states and localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters. As president, I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs to fulfill its mission.”

  • 1Brett1

    The Romney campaign rigged its own photo op by buying $5,000 worth of canned goods and supplies as desperate props for his “relief rally.”  While the Red Cross has instructed people to donate money or blood, NOT supplies, Romney staged this photo op by asking people to bring supplies and having his campaign minions buy $5,000 of supplies. He sat at a table to “personally collect” these supplies even though this is specifically what the Red Cross urged people NOT to do. This is kind of like Ryan’s fake photo op washing dishes at the homeless shelter…only worse! Much worse! Romney could have just donated the $5,000, but that wouldn’t have provided him this fake opportunity…

    • JGC

      Where is that photo of him and colleagues from their days at Bain, smiling and clutching large wads of cash, with more stuffed in or overflowing from every pocket? Maybe he could have updated this as a photo op, to stress the importance of cash donations to the Red Cross.

      (By the way, I am donating an extra $30 for “matching likes” from On Point Listeners the other day. Thanks, you know who you are…)

      • DrewInGeorgia

        Just curious, what are “matching likes”? What do they match? Thank you so much for donating to help all those whose lives have been upended by Sandy.

        • JGC

          I didn’t know what to call it.  It was a request to click on the “like” on a post I made a couple days ago, and I would match each with an additional dollar above my original donation to the Red Cross Hurricane Fund. 

          • DrewInGeorgia

            Cool, I was just curious.
            Thanks again for doing what you can to help those in need.

      • Ray in VT

        I couldn’t find that Bain photo, but there is one here of Governor Romney stepping out for a dip

        http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/for-governor-dalrymple-north-dakotas-budget-surplus-depends-on-the-political-context/

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      I can’t imagine how much more dense this can get on Romney’s part.

      Okay, Mitt probably couldn’t have flown in on his Galtian jetpack and rescued kittens from trees in the hurricane’s wake, to show what “the private sector” can do without FEMA.

      But this was tone-deaf.

      • John_in_Amherst

        Possibly topped by Michael “Heck of a job, Brownie” Brown spouting off that Obama & FEMA reacted too quickly….

  • 1Brett1

    Romney told a crowd in Defiance, Ohio, that plans were afoot to shift the Jeep jobs in Ohio to China. He then doubled down on his claim and repeated the lie in a tv ad.

    **Crysler Headquarters: “Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China,” the statement said. “A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.”

    • ttajtt

      Is this a behind the scene argument? fishing? games?

  • J__o__h__n

    Who needs FEMA when you can have a canned food drive?

  • Gregg Smith

    Now we learn Obama never convened the counter-terrorism task force during the Benghazi debacle. I am reluctantly coming to the conclusion Obama cannot be this inept and is an enemy of America.   

    • J__o__h__n

      What did you expect from a Kenyan Muslim Socialist?

      • Gregg Smith

        He’s an American black liberation theologist Socialist.

        • 1Brett1

          Romney is white, devout, old-school Mormon venture Capitalist.

          • Gregg Smith

            Who said he wasn’t?

          • 1Brett1

            Sorry, I meant a habitually lying, white, elitist, priggish, devout, old-school vulture  capitalist. 

          • Shag_Wevera

            Boo-yah!

        • ttajtt

          here Mormons say when Kain killed Able.  he receive a mark that made him black. 
          What race is it.

      • Shag_Wevera

        I thought he was an Indonesian Manchurian candidate?!

        • Gregg Smith

          He’s an awful President.

          • Shag_Wevera

            Quantify that.  Awful like Taft or Grant?  Awful like Reagan?  Define Awful.  Is he WORSE than Presient George W Bush?

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t think that Taft was that bad.

          • Shag_Wevera

            He got stuck in the White House bathtub ray!

          • Ray in VT

            He also had the habit of falling asleep during events, but he did go after the trusts and monopolies.

          • ttajtt

            AKA RR was old dog party controlled i would think.

          • Gregg Smith

            Carter on steroids.

          • anamaria23

            Unless you need to eat or have health care or have your children home from war, or  your veteran’s disability  funded, or be helped through the storm– just for starters.
            Oh, yes. Mr. Romney will rally the private sector, kneel at the alter of Norquist,  and all will be well.

          • Gregg Smith

            I know its a revelation to many but Romney actually opposes hunger and unnecessary wars. He supports veterans and hurricane victims. He’s a good man with ideas you may disagree with.

          • anamaria23

            It is impossible to tell what Gov Romney stands for.  Lately he wants to increase military spending beyond Pentagon requests while non commital re: veteran’s disabilty funding which Ryan would eliminate.
            I have never once heard Mr. Romney even mention hunger in America except reference to their lack of responsibility.

    • anamaria23

      Reluctantly? 

      • Don_B1

        Right! And he didn’t have a problem with Obama before that!

        • Gregg Smith

          I have had big problems with President Obama from day one but I never considered him an enemy of America until he aided and abetted the radical Muslims in the murder of our Ambassador. I t did not have to happen.

          • 1Brett1

            You were saying Obama is deliberately, systematically trying to undermine America long before that attack…more shoveling on your part, I see…

          • Gregg Smith

            No, he was just trying to fundamentally transform America as promised. That’s different than being the enemy.

      • Gregg Smith

        It’s a very serious charge, I don’t make it lightly. I hate it’s a consideration. I really do.

        • 1Brett1

          …Such a stand-up guy for “reluctantly” not  “make[ing] it[any] opinions lightly.” You’re shoveling it today…

    • ttajtt

      this does say about obamas soft organization schooling side skill.   can’t be to NRA GI army wise.   sure all items must have been talk about, deals had to Honored.    

  • J__o__h__n

    Independent, job-creating, pro-business, moderate Mayor Bloomberg endorses Obama. 

    Bloomberg on Romney:
    “In the past he has taken sensible positions on immigration, illegal guns, abortion rights and health care — but he has reversed course on all of them, and is even running against the very health care model he signed into law in Massachusetts,”

    • Shag_Wevera

      Your quote says EVERYTHING about candidate Romney.

  • Ray in VT

    Decent news on the jobs front.  In October the economy added 171,000 jobs.  September revised upwards from 114,000 to 148,000, and August revised upwards from 142,000 to 192,000.  So, 511,000 jobs added over the past 3 months.

    • Gregg Smith

      I guess so but the rate didn’t change and it’s barely keeping up with population. Obama said it would be 5.2% by now.

      • Ray in VT

        Way to find the brown lining in every cloud.

        • anamaria23

          Cynics are inclined to do that.

        • Gregg Smith

          I truly believe the opposite. I think it is you trying to make chicken salad out of chicken $hit. O well, it makes the world go round.

          • Ray in VT

            Ditto and agreed. Of course by that I mean that you’re trying to turn chicken salad in chicken sh$t, and I agree that such differences do make the world go ’round.

      • Don_B1

        Actually it DID keep up with the growth of the working-age population, which is actually DECLINING from the previously agreed number of just under 150,000 per month because of the growing number of elderly who are retiring at higher numbers because they are part of the baby boomers who represent a bulge in the population distribution.

        The fact that the actual unemployment rate went up to 7.9% from 7.8% means that more people are now actively looking for work, which means they are not as discouraged and thus see the economy improving.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      This jobs report is the status quo.  Of course some job growth is better than no growth but it isn’t enough.  Wages ticked down, again.  U-6 is still 14.6%.  All indicators are we are still in a tepid recovery.

      I doubt this changes anything politically.

      Factoid:  Jimmy Carter’s final unemployment rate in 1980:
                   7.5%

      • Ray in VT

        Well, if the status quo is somewhat steady recovery, then I’ll take it over where we’ve been.  Wages were down by $.01/hour, which is statistically flat, and work hours per week were the same, so that’s decent, and the U-6 was down .1%.

        It probably doesn’t change anything politically.  Most everyone has probably already made up their minds at this point, so it’s probably just about the ground game.

        Carter really got hit hard by a ill-timed funk.  He may have lost 1980 anyways, but the unemployment rate went from 5.9% in December of 1979 to 7.8% in August of 1980.  Job growth returned in August it looks like, but probably the preceding 6 months of bad news had probably already fixed in people’s minds by that point.  I’ve heard a lot of commentators say that opinions tend to be set about the economy roundabout August or so.  I don’t know if that’s true or not, but that’s what they say.

      • Don_B1

        I will take the slow growth which is the result of Republican obstruction in Congress in blocking the American Jobs Act, which if passed when Obama proposed it in September 2011 would have the unemployment rate below 7% TODAY and accelerating down.

        But the Republicans hoped they could block it without getting blamed and then take the presidency.

        But the AUSTERITY that Tea/Republicans in the House will pass and, with a Republican Senate, using reconciliation will get to Romney’s desk will put the country back in RECESSION, just like the U.K. was put there by the Conservative Party leadership, Cameron/Osborne.

        Vote Democratic or get a repeat of some form of 2008-2009.

  • J__o__h__n

    My theory for Gov Christie praising Obama’s performance:
     
    He doesn’t like to eat canned goods.

    • Ray in VT

      … or he’s undercutting Romney so that he can run in 2016.  I’m not being serious with that.  It just made me think of an SNL skit from back in the spring.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        That was my initial take on the Christie love fest. I feel horrible for thinking that way but Christie’s performance and obvious presidential aspirations at the RNC keep popping into my head. I think Governor Christie was glad to have any help he could get, the indirect slight against Romney was probably just a bonus.

        • Don_B1

          @J__o__h__n:disqus  @rayinvt:disqus @DrewInGeorgia:disqus 

          Remember, during the 2008 Republican primaries, Romney was the MOST disliked candidate by the other candidates. So why would Christie feel any great love for Romney? Why does any Republican feel any great love for Romney? Mostly they don’t it appears from the non-rush to support him when he makes at least some mistakes.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            Same as it was since the day The President took Office: “I pledge allegiance, to The Man, that is anybody but Obama”

            How can those of this vein even look themselves in the mirror? On second thought, that probably isn’t a problem since they’re all Vampires.

  • Ed75

    Again, there are five non-negotiable issues that we can’t vote to support or promote:

    abortionsame sex marriagerestriction of religious libertyembryonic stem cell research euthanasia
    These are intrinsic evils. One candidate supports all five (one forthcoming), the other none of the five. And this precedes in importance their disagreement on any other issues.

    The simple theological idea is that if a person or a society practices evil, they will suffer disaster.

    • 1Brett1

      In your last sentence: that’s certainly a simple idea from a simplistic theological mind. 

      You can speak for you, just not “we.”

    • J__o__h__n

      Thanks for the reminder to vote for Obama to protect reproductive freedom, equal marriage rights, employee health care access, scientific progess and medical cures, and the right to determine one’s own end of life decisions. 

    • Shag_Wevera

      Romney supports abortion depending on when you ask him and which office he is running for at that time.  Tell me Edversion75, do you believe romney is sincere or genuine?  Does it matter to you?

    • DrewInGeorgia

      You mean like when a person does only good and winds up nailed to a cross? Your assertion that bad things only happen to bad people is silly. What happened to “infinite in his love and wisdom”? I guess God is an angry little child that sits around slinging lightning bolts and stirring up floods every time someone pisses him off.

      • keltcrusader

        That sounds a lot like Zeus :)

    • anamaria23

      Your God is too small.

    • Duras

      Please return to some time between 400 – 1400 C.E.  Thanks.

    • Don_B1

      Your last sentence represents paganism, not Christianity, Islam or Judaism or even Buddhism, Confucianism or Hinduism.

    • Steve__T

       Then I suggest you stop.

  • 1Brett1

    Business abandons Romney as Bloomberg News and The Economist endorse President Obama. 

    • Duras

      Wow, the Economist didn’t think much of Obama 4 years ago.  The New Yorker editors, particularly David Remnick had moderatly negative views of Obama, but now they, particularly Remnick, are endorsing Obama.

  • ChristopherNoel

    How is an ordinary person supposed to understand the unemployment figure?  During September, we gained only 119,000 non-farm jobs and the rate fell a wopping .3%.  During October (we just learned), we gained far more non-farm jobs than in the previous month and yet the rate ROSE .1%.  If these counter-intuitive results are due to the number of people leaving (or not leaving) the job-seeking ranks in a given month, then THIS number should be rolled into the overall figure so that it accurately reflects our national situation.

    • Shag_Wevera

      Yup.  The numbers are easily manipulated and utterly useless.

      • Don_B1

        I take it you are being sarcastic, but for those who don’t pick up on that, they are rightly considered preliminary because they are based on a smaller sample size and other quick-look simplifications that get filled in over the next months, up to about a year.

        But in my post above, the unemployment number went up because more people entered the work force as they perceived the better prospects for finding a job. The number of new jobs was good because it was bigger than the increase in the working-age population which is dropping because the number leaving that population due to retirement is increasing as more Baby Boomers reach age 65.

    • Gregg Smith

      The last thing Obama needs or wants is to have people understand the unemployment figure. The last thing the press wants is to accurately reflect our national situation.

      • Shag_Wevera

        Would you consider calling him President Obama, or do you hold no respect for the office whatsoever?

        • DrewInGeorgia

          No respect for the office…well at least not when there is a Kenyan born Muslim Socialist sitting in it.

          • Don_B1

            Like most Republicans, he probably doesn’t think ANY Democrat deserves to be president, but a Black socialist is beyond the pale for many Republicans.

          • Gregg Smith

            You guys are sick. Is there any call for the hatred you spew?

          • 1Brett1

            Why don’t you put up another one of your videos depicting a parody of the worst kind of African-American stereotype and compare the ranting black woman on the video talking about how she likes doing nothing and living off the government dole and loves Obama to Colin Powell’s endorsement of Obama, again? That’ll prove how you’re not a racist. Or better yet, chastise me for saying so but claim your comment was just funny? That’ll dispel any false sense of your attitudes… 

          • Gregg Smith

            I don’t spew hate. I love everybody.

          • Don_B1

            We are just calling out how we have observed YOUR hate-spewing posts.

            But that is the Republican trope: do something nasty but simultaneously accuse Democrats of doing it, without any basis for the accusation.

          • Don_B1

            We are just calling out how we have observed YOUR hate-spewing posts.

            But that is the Republican trope: do something nasty but simultaneously accuse Democrats of doing it, without any basis for the accusation.

        • Gregg Smith

          Cheap shot, check my history. It is rare that I don’t use “Mr.” or “President” but I’m not perfect. You’re grasping.

      • anamaria23

        Proof of your statement? Or just  another cynical conspiracy theory. 

    • Don_B1

      The Bureau of Labor Statistics provides a description of how it calculates the numbers, why they update them over as much as a year and how to interpret them on their web site.

  • 1Brett1

    As Governor, in 2004 Romney vetoed $5.7 milllion in flood prevention project for Peabody, Ma. In 2006, downtown Peabody flooded, costing $12 million in damage. 

    • Shag_Wevera

      A brilliant move by a brilliant businessman.  He was LONG GONE by 2012!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Hey, Randian Superheroes have a name for towns like “Peebadee”:

        Not on the success vector.

    • jefe68

      When the city of Greenfield flooded, in 2005, Romney was too busy traveling the nation positioning himself for a presidential run to find out the extent of the flooding or declare an emergency. The most senior person in his administration, the city’s mayor, could get in touch with was the lieutenant governor’s chief of staff. Without help from the state, Greenfield faced an example of what America can look forward to if Romney becomes president: Forgey says a resident opened up the high school and used it as a crisis shelter. A radio station launched a food and clothing drive and the Red Cross provided services. [...]

      The town could handle distributing donated shirts and juice. But Greenfield, with its population of 18,000, couldn’t repair this level of loss, which had been estimated to exceed $1 million.

      Forgey said she needed the state government to respond and for Romney to declare an emergency. But for days, Greenfield residents were on their own, with limited outside help.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        “A radio station launched a food drive.”

        A radio station? Not Gov Romney?

        Geez, I thought that was the one disaster-relief thing Romney knew how to do!

        • Don_B1

          The town’s water treatment plant was inundated and a low-income trailer park with about 75 people, many retirees, lost their homes, but we know what Romney thinks of the 47%!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            I know Greenfield just a bit.

            Are there flood abatement systems, a la greater Hartford, or are they more like those valley towns north of Mt. Tom where every mile one sees an historic marker showing where the record floodwaters hit? Along with the “Evacuation route” signs?

          • Don_B1

            I grew up there, and there basically are no flood protection systems of any size.

            Last year Hurricane Irene caused the Deerfield River to flood, which impacted the water treatment plant, spilling raw sewage into the Deerfield River where it flows into the Connecticut River, among other flooding incidents.

            For visuals, see:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoMHReCNg68

          • Don_B1

            I grew up there, and there basically are no flood protection systems of any size.

            Last year Hurricane Irene caused the Deerfield River to flood, which impacted the water treatment plant, spilling raw sewage into the Deerfield River where it flows into the Connecticut River, among other flooding incidents.

            For visuals, see:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoMHReCNg68

  • Joseph_Wisconsin

    So the Republicans suppressed a study by the non-partisan Congressional Research Service  that examined the effects of tax cuts for high income and wealthy individuals on economic growth and increases in income disparities.  Why?  Because it showed that there was no evidence that such tax cuts led to improved economic growth, that such cuts increased economic disparity, and pretty much the only people who benefited from such cuts were the wealthy individuals receiving them.  Such cuts do not even “trickle down.”  Here is a link to the original report:  

    http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/files/documents/CRSTaxesandtheEconomy%20Top%20Rates.pdf

    • Ray in VT

      I saw this story last night, and it didn’t really surprise me.  I would be willing to bet that one can easily now find some sorts of attacks upon the CRS similar to those attacks and allegations against the BLS.

    • William

       The author of the report is a Obama supporter and donated 5,000 dollars to the Obama reelection bid. That calls into question if the report is honest.

      • Shag_Wevera

        Anything to dismiss the findings.  They can’t possibly be true.

        • William

           That is the problem with economics. The Left will have their opinion and the Right will have their opinion. Both will use their own data and be critical of the other. So it boils down to the “University of Common Sense”. Who is going to spend your money wisely? You or some political hack in Washington?

          • Shag_Wevera

            That’s simple.  It depends on who “you” are.

            R.E.M. put it well.  There is a difference between what we want and what we need.

          • J__o__h__n

            “So it boils down to the “University of Common Sense”. Who is going to spend your money wisely?”  — And that is objective criteria?

          • William

             It works for most people. Does the out of control spending coming from Washington DC the last 40 some years make much sense? 16 trillion in debt?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Fine. When a Republican gets into the White House, they’ll fix everything with their TruePrincipledConservatism. Like they have every time before with the power of birthrighteous FiscalResponsibility.

            (And don’t trot out that dead horse of a line about how TPCs discover that every GOP pres “isn’t a conservative” after the guy leaves office.)

            Right now, though, us Democrats have governing to do.

          • William

            Governing or dictating?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Please continue flipping the channel in the vain search of something that doesn’t make your argument such a failure.

      • anamaria23

        Who is the author of the report?   Did he work alone?  Non-partisan CRS   is a one man operation?

        • William

           Read the report. The author’s name is on page 20.

    • Ray in VT

      See, it didn’t take long.

  • 1Brett1

    Romney used the tax-exempt status of the Mormon Church, according to a 2007 filing, to defer his taxes for more than 15 years. At the same time he is benefiting, the trust will probably leave the church with less than what current law requires, according to tax returns obtained by Bloomberg News this month through a Freedom of Information Act request.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/romney-avoids-taxes-via-loophole-cutting-mormon-donations.html

    • JGC

      Some people are too clever.  Bishop Romney has all sorts of magic presto chango schemes in mind to inflict on the American people.  

    • 1Brett1

      Setting up the trust, worth between $750,000 and $1.2 million in 2001, enabled Romney to take an upfront deduction for his charitable donation to the trust, while also earning annual payments worth 8% of the trust’s assets. 

      Unlike much of his own prtfolio, Romney’s charitable trust investments have been conservative. As a result, the trust earned only $48 last year while paying out nearly $37, 000 to the Romneys last year!

  • Shag_Wevera

    I’m still not sure why the nickname “Willard the Waffler” hasn’t stuck. 

    Romney is a miracle.  Dishonesty and waffling rivaling Kerry and Nixon, stiffness rivaling Al Gore, wealth rivaling the Kennedys, compassion rivaling Grant, and social concern and fiscal policy rivaling Calvin Coolidge.

    The man is a Presidential Frankenstein’s Monster!!!

    • Acnestes

      Willard the Rat rolls off the tongue more smoothly.  And has the pop culture reference too boot.

      Actually, Romney brings to mind Napoleon’s description of Talleyrand as, “a tu*d in a silk stocking”.  I couldn’t do much better than that!

    • Acnestes

      Willard the Rat rolls off the tongue more smoothly.  And has the pop culture reference too boot.

      Actually, Romney brings to mind Napoleon’s description of Talleyrand as, “a tu*d in a silk stocking”.  I couldn’t do much better than that!

      • Steve_the_Repoman

        After betrayal and attempted murder Willard was eaten by the rats, led by Ben.

        Correct correlation offers analogies just as rich but not as tag/sound bite, i.e. Willard the Rat.

        • Acnestes

          Yeah, I knew Willard was not actually the rat in the movie but figured most people would get the association.  Call it artistic/poetic license. :-)

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       What do you have against Calvin Coolidge; the President who presided over the economic boom of the roaring ’20s?

      It seems Cal was like Obama–stiff the rich.  By 1927 only the top 2% of income earners were paying the income tax. That is about as progressive as possible, eh?

      • Ray in VT

        And how did that roaring 1920s boom work out?

        One could certainly knock Coolidge for not doing much and letting things ride, considering that there were not the mechanisms in place to ensure that the stocks were backed by anything real or that the banks were safeguarding customer deposits.  On the other hand, I have heard believers in laissez-faire praise Coolidge for “doing nothing”.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           Sort of like Clinton doing nothing about the internet bubble and subsequent tech crash?

          • Ray in VT

            I know, we’re only now recovering from that worst economic crash that Clinton left us.

            Seriously though, as bad as that financial shock was, we didn’t see the stock market off by half, massive job losses, a huge GDP reduction and bank failures on the scale of either 1929 or 2008.

          • Don_B1

            That was because they were different TYPES of recessions:

            1) When the Tech “bubble” collapsed, people lost some stock market investments and the source of some spending money, which they could recover from saving from their day jobs, though the temporary drop in spending did cause the recession.

            2) When the Housing/Mortgage “bubble” collapsed, the inflated values of everyone’s home fell, causing the loss of trillions of dollars of savings that was a much bigger portion of what people were depending on to live the American life, because the wealthy were NOT letting the workers share in the profit gains from increased productivity for over a decade. The reduced spending for Americans to feel secure after the Housing collapse is ORDERS if magnitude greater than the Clinton/Bush recession of 2001.

            That is what makes the latest Great Recession a “balance sheet” recession, which, without government spending will last for years as Reinhard and Rogoff have written in their book, “It’s Different This Time,” and in several opinion pieces in Bloomberg News.

          • Gregg Smith

            To his credit, he admitted it and took blame. Ruban, not so much.

          • Don_B1

            Most of the things that Clinton could have done are “long-term” things, a fiscal spending (in Clinton’s case, reduced spending, which was occurring independently of wanting to “cool the economy”) whereas the governmental agency which could have easily “cooled the economy and kept the Internet bubble from blowing up, was the Federal Reserve, then under the Ayn Rand acolyte, Alan Greenspan, who dismissed the threat from the stock market boom.

            At that time, the proper response would have been raising interest rates to make speculation more costly and thus ensuring that the speculators did more “due diligence”  before making their investments/speculations.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Yep. Claiming “Roaring Twenties, yay!” and stopping the narrative in mid ’29 is such cute thing to read. I can smell the desperation from here.

          And I almost await the plaint of “Well, my great grandpa got out of the market in June 1929! Yours shoulda been smart!”

      • jefe68

        You need to read some history. 
        How is it you can post so much stuff with so little substance?

        • Steve__T

           Its his job given to him by Mitt personally.

  • 1Brett1

    Mitt Romney’s campaign has been training poll watchers in Wisconsin with highly misleading — and sometimes downright false — information about voters’ rights.
    Documents from a recent Romney poll watcher training obtained by ThinkProgress contain several misleading or untrue claims about the rights of Wisconsin voters.In total, eight such trainings were held across the state in the past two weeks and 17 since late September.

    The training also encouraged volunteers to deceive election workers and the public about who they were associated with. On page 3 of the packet, Romney poll workers were instructed to hide their affiliation with the campaign and told to sign in at the polls as a “concerned citizen” instead. As Kristina Sesek, Romney’s legal counsel who just graduated from Marquette Law School last year, explained, “We’re going to have you sign in this election cycle as a ‘concerned citizen.’ We’re just trying to alleviate some of the animosity of being a Republican observer up front.”

  • J__o__h__n
    • DrewInGeorgia

      Mr. Burns is Romney in cartoon form. Endorsing himself falls right in line with all of the self-aggrandizing he’s spent his life practicing.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    The haters are out in full force this AM.

    I guess there must be an election soon — or is it always this way?

    • 1Brett1

      By “haters” you mean those who have made factual comments about Romney’s past or present actions? 

    • JGC

      Speaking of AM, stay away from AM radio if you are trying to avoid the haters.  From an article by Bob Levin in the Globe and Mail yesterday:

      Fear gripped the airwaves, creating an aura of approaching Armageddon, both meteorological and political.  Driving from Toronto last week, visiting family in Philadelphia, I spent much of the 17-hour round trip flipping around the radio dial.  Everywhere I turned brought dire warning about Hurricane Sandy slamming the East Coast, and equally dark visions – from the conservative titans of talk-  of Barack Obama wrecking America…This exercise in hard-right immersion (reached) the creepy stage, like binge-drinking alone at 3 a.m.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        “Stay away from AM radio if you’re trying to avoid the haters.”

        From your lips to Abigail Evan’s ears.

        (She’s the little girl who cried about being tired of “Bronco Bama and Mitt Romney” after her mom’s been listening to NPR all autumn. If she can’t handle that, she certainly is not ready for the AM shitestormers.)

  • Shag_Wevera

    Candidate Romney keeps saying he is going to hold China accountable for its unfair trade and currency practices.  How exactly would he do THAT?  What a joke.  It is like saying that you are going to kick the cop who gives you a speeding ticket in the nuts.  Meaningless bravado and blather!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

      Romney has a lengthy bullet list from kowtowing China to eliminating Obamacare to restoring employment – all to be done in his first day in office. It’s pretty incredible – as long as incredible is being used as a synonym for preposterous.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    I just wanted to comment on my mailbox here in MA – Scott Brown and supporters seem to be determined to eliminate USPS debts single-handed. Endless mailings – and almost none of them about Brown. Just about Warren’s “secrets”. To be expected, but the ones about Brown are the funniest. The closest they come to calling him a Republican is calling him the “independent”. And how bipartisan he is. Brown is running as the “other” Democrat.

    • JGC

      I just read on Politico that Sheila Bair is endorsing Elizabeth Warren.  That is very interesting to me, as I find Sheila Bair to be one of the few heroes in the financial meltdown, and a Republican to boot.  I hope someone finds a prominent role in the next administration for Bair, and to finally break this Goldman Sachs stranglehold that has been in place from the Rubin years on up to now.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        Sheila Bair is great and an old-style Rockefeller republican, which puts her a lot closer to future Senator Warren than to the wingnut current GoP and soon to be ex-Sen “Nasty Ken” Brown. Any reasonable centrist who saw the Wall St insanity up close like Bair is not going to be on board with ideological deregulation. 

        I’m glad to hear this.

  • MJABC

    We all know polls can differ greatly.  But I was very surprised that Frank Luntz (as a paid CBS political correspondent) stated on CBS This Morning that Romney was only behind Obama by 1.5 points in Ohio, acknowledging (along with Charlie Rose) that the just released CBS, NYT, Quinnipiac poll (showing a 5 point Ohio ead for Obama) was in error.  Do any of your guests know why this huge poll was in error in its Ohio results?  Were the all the results of this poll in error?
     

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       One explanation is the LV screen let through 96% of RVs for which there is no historical president.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gina-Kamentsky/714686480 Gina Kamentsky

    At last, someone in the media is talking about Climate change. Why does it take something of this scale to bring up the conversation? My fear is our memory fades so fast. Will we be talking about this in 3 months? 

    • Don_B1

      Unfortunately, your fear is well-founded. Watch for a big campaign from the fossil fuel industry after whatever short interval they feel necessary to keep it from being too easily linked to thought suppression.

      The fortuitous campaign that IS in the works is from 350.org, which has been planning a near five-week climate awareness campaign, called “Do the Math;” see:

      http://math.350.org/

      which will attempt to motivate people to stand up against the fossil fuel industry. it will be a tour of 21 cities, beginning in Seattle on 11/7, going down the West Coast cities to LA and, after jumping across the country to Burlington, VT and down the East Coast from ME to GA then ending in Salt Lake City on 12/3.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Kudos to Christie this week – after being portrayed as a nasty political blowhard by the media, it looks like NJ has a real governor.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      He is a loose cannon. (Remember his “I can’t take the crazee” speech about appointing a Muslim to a state board in 2011? Christie saw something with his own eyes about this guy, how this fellow was instrumental in keeping things together w.r.t. Muslim Americans in the greater NYC area after 9/11, and told the rest of the GOP protesting Christie’s pick where to get off.)

      That said, yep. A real governor who wants to get stuff done for his people, no matter what, and no matter who gets the credit. (In the most densely-populated state, right?)

      Given that, I almost don’t care about any political motivation re Christie and 2016. (Edited: Disclaimer: I’m not from NJ.)

    • Don_B1

      When there is a real emergency, you have to give him credit for taking a practical approach to doing what is best for all the residents of his state. But the proof is in the pudding, and this response effort is far from over.

      Just as Bloomberg may take some licks from the response to Staten Island residents, there could be a problem in NJ. The gasoline availability is a real problem.

      And his “justification” for not building the tunnel to Manhattan but giving business a big tax break is suspect.

  • atakemoto

    I agree wholeheartedly with Abbie Evans.  Let’s shorten our election runs, quit wasting money on telling half truths and attacking opponents, and get to work finding solutions that don’t decimate our planet.

    • Don_B1

      I see there are a good number agreeing with you.

      A good way to start to achieving this is to make campaigns publicly funded, which is the only practical way that I can see, at least, of making it happen. Then the time period of use of the public funds could be controlled.

      There is a group, led by Professor Lawrence Lessig, at Harvard that is working to hold a Constitutional Convention to make Constitutional the mandatory public financing of political campaigns. See:

      http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/has-a-harvard-professor-mapped-out-the-next-step-for-occupy-wall-street/247561/

      There is a website for his Constitutional Convention activity also.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Sandy certainly puts the extreme crazy positions of Lord R and the TeaOP  in the spotlight:

    Lord R on Fema: “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction,” Romney said in response to a question about the agency. “And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.”

    OMG! PRIVATE disaster relief, like the private fire depts of the 19′th century. Sorry, but I’ve had it with this c**p. Throwing these fools out is way overdue.

    Then there’s TeaOP rep Cantor:

    “Those monies are not unlimited. And what we’ve always said is we’d offset that which has already been funded,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., told Fox News on Aug. 29. “Just like any family would operate when it’s struck with disaster, it finds the money it needs to, to take care of a sick loved one or what have you and then goes without trying to buy new car or put an addition onto the house.”OMG! The stupid “USA is like a family” script. Yeah, right, the nation controlling the world’s reserve currency and with taxing power is just like a family.” Freaking idiots. First thing that “family” can do is tell slacker Uncle Mitt he’s not getting a free ride any more.

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    Christie’s sudden bi-partisanship? After seeing his seething pit-bull rage, looks like he’s posturing for 2016 as a uniter?

    • Don_B1

      He needs President Obama for more than the short term; the recovery effort will take months to years and after the election, President Obama might remember slights. That is the essence of wielding power.

  • Fiscally_Responsible

    The lifestyles of people like Al Gore/the Hollywood elite/others who pontificate about man made climate change while at the same time jetting around on private jets, from which they get off onto stretch limos to take them to their 20,000+square foot energy-gorging houses (“an inconvenient truth” that only one network, Fox News, has the objectivity to report on) serves to discredit their their argument.  Why don’t they lead by example by moving into smaller homes, using small vehicles, and avoiding air transportation if they really believe that climate change is man made?

    • Don_B1

      Mr. Gore has a Secret Service protection as part of his having been a V.P. which have a building included in that 20,000 sq.ft. Also his office is included and he has upgraded the insulation to minimize energy expenditure.
      I suspect that he only flies when it is necessary and I understand that he carefully selects “offsets” which counter the carbon footprint of his plane (and other) travel, etc.

      Let’s not cherry pick the data, like Fox News does.

  • Ed75

    We know what President Obama will do, and it’s not good.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      We don’t know what Romney will do.
      Hell, Romney doesn’t even know what Romney will do.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Well in 2008 Obama told us he would close Gitmo and never have the individual mandate.  Hmmmm.

        • Don_B1

          It was not his choice to not close Guantanamo, and he has committed to try again.

          As for the mandate, President Obama recognized early on that it would be required to get passage of the bill in Congress, and he made the right decision to accept it. M.I.T. Professor Jonathan Gruber’s arguments probably helped also; the mandate IS needed.

  • MrNutso

    Gotta love Joe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

    Only one presidential candidate has a plan to effectively deal with Climate Change. That candidate is Jill Stein. That plan is the Green New Deal. She is fighting on the front lines of the battle to end climate change. Only this week she was arrested helping to block the Keystone XL pipeline in Texas, which both Obama and Romney support. This pipeline, if completed and used as intended by TransCanada, will spell Game Over for the climate. http://www.jillstein.org/

    • AC

      hi; could you cite the scientific papers for this claim? i’m very interested…

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

        Letter from Leading Climate Scientists:
        http://tinyurl.com/bkpvmr5

        Interview with NASA Climate Scientist James Hansen:
        http://tinyurl.com/3boh4am
         

      • Don_B1

        I am not sure that anyone has evaluated Jill Stein’s “A Green New Deal,” because it does not talk about how the transition from fossil fuels will occur, except to imply it will be through direct federal expenditures. That differs from NASA’s James Hansen’s approach of a direct carbon tax imposed at the source (well-head, importing ship, etc.) or the Waxman-Markey bill of 2009 which Obama supported and which passed in the House that June. People differ, but the politics of Cap and Trade are actually probably easier than that of the direct tax as those vested interests whose “ox is gored” can be more easily transitioned away from their ox that way. Also it has ALWAYS worked BETTER than it was expected to, and is a Republican market-based solution to pollution reduction.

        For the reasons that the Keystone XL is gameover (which IS true) the most cogent source that I know is easily readable is Bill McKibbin’s article in Rolling Stone, which RS is just putting on the top of their webpages again. See:

        http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719

        It is also discussed at Skeptical Science:

        http://www.skepticalscience.com

        where you can read how all the “denier” myths are debunked (left column of web page). This presents each counter argument at basic, intermediate, and full science levels. Just click on the myth title; for other questions on issues, use the search box.

        Other blogs where more detailed science is explained include Real Climate, Grist (Dave Roberts), and DeSmogBlog; also Climate Progress.

        Another informative blog is Jeff Master’s at Weather Underground, a great source for weather and climate information.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

          Climate change is a national and planetary emergency. Hurricane Sandy is a symptom of this emergency. Leaving it up to the market to solve the problem of atmospheric pollution is what has gotten us into this problem in the first place. The profit motive of multinational energy companies, such as TransCanada, BP, and Exxon, is the strongest contributor to this crisis. Cap and Trade has not been effective in actually reducing carbon in the atmosphere. Fee and Dividend would theoretically be better. Best of all would be a full-fledged government sponsored national mobilization to transition to a green economy on a scale larger than WWII, researching and implementing green sustainable solutions throughout the economy. The Green New Deal would accomplish this transition. We need it desperately. Jill Stein is ready to lead us in this urgent transition. We as a nation have dealt with national emergencies before. We can do it again.

          • Don_B1

            I totally agree on the nature of climate change being an emergency.

            I liken our current “head in the sand” approach to the equivalent of F.D.R. selling our guns, tanks and ships to Germany, Italy and Japan instead of what he DID do, which was “Lend-Lease” with Great Britain.

            But Cap and Trade is definitely NOT just “leaving it up to the market to solve the problem of atmospheric pollution.” What it does is:

            1) mandate strong incentives that grow with time and (lack of) progress in achieving the required goals.

            2) leaves individual businesses to make the choices that make the most sense to their circumstances, while driving down the total emissions.

            3) allows balancing losses for large-scale interests with slow(er) phase out of “grandfathered” industries, like coal mining.

            The reason that strong CO2 emissions controls are not in place today is because of “push-back” from interests whose “ox would be gored.”

            Would it really be better to have a Romney/Ryan presidency with Republican control of the Senate (thus both houses) enabling, through Reconciliation, effective repeal (by defunding if not dismantling) existing regulations, the EPA?

            The coal miners in eastern Ohio fear for their livelihoods, even as mountain-top removal is taking jobs away even faster than emission controls would. They could, at least in theory, given Ohio to Romney and defeated Sen. Sherrod Brown in his reelection campaign.

            While I might have no problem with elected leaders just declaring and legislating the Green Deal, many if not most others in this country would evince strong opposition, and I would not want someone able to do that in government, because the next thing they would want to do, and there would be many “next things,” would likely be anathema to me. If quick action is necessary, a dictatorship is more effective, as George W. Bush once pointed out, saying that it would make his job easier, but it has truly horrible “side effects.”

            Just as President Obama’s decision not to use an Executive Order to kill Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, but worked for two years to get Congress to repeal the law enabling it. Excised this way there has been next to no adverse consequences or big push-back. It is accepted by the vast majority of the populace.

            But even more important, the Green Deal does not have a stated way of choosing between alternative “green” technologies, having the government “choose” will lead to huge push-back, as has happened in Republican attempts to use the Solyndra bankruptcy to create widespread misunderstanding that discredits the use of government generally to plan for a strong future that does not reward the rich and punish the poor.

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    Why do news agencies refrain from calling lies like Romney’s adds lies? Distortions, misleading, but never Lie!

    • Steve__T

       That may be perceived as honesty?

  • Jimi Cyber

    Why is there never any mention, in the light of the Embassy attack in Libya, of the Reagon administration’s Lebanon attack on the US Marine barracks ( over 200 Marines murdered)? Also, there was not reaction on Reagon’s part.  We just pulled out!

    Personally, I am sick and extremely tired of all of Romney and his cohorts’ lies and rewriting of histoy.

    Jim

    Roxbury, MA

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Don’t bring up Libya here.  Tom is more interested in climate change.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    The auto fact check is an incredible spin and twist.

    So everything in the ad is true but we’ll call it a lie anyhow.  Nuts.

    Guess what?  Jeep now exports Jeeps to China.  After they build the China factory what happens to those exports?  What happens to the US jobs?

    The truth is the fat cat UAW contracts preserved by Obama makes Jeep uncompetitive.

    ONLY in this crazy political environment to you have  auto unions cheering a auto company building a factory in China.

    • MrNutso

      How do you reconcile your statements with the COB of Chrysler?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Which statement?  The head of Fiat confirmed yesterday that they are building a Jeep factory in China and maybe Italy too.

        Companies that offshore ALWAYs console their workers until the deed is done.  What is so confusing?

        • jefe68

          You must have serious comprehension issues. Did you read the Bloomberg article?
          There are idle Chrysler plants in China that have been there for years. Jeep is on the up swing in this country and is adding jobs to their American factories do to demand.
          The China factories would only be producing Jeeps is there was a need. Jeep sells more Jeeps in the US than in China by a huge margin.

          Again, you post a lot, bit it’s all a lot of hot air.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Is Jeep exporting to China today?  YES.

            Once the Jeep plant is operational in China will they be exporting to China?  NO

            Will that cost US jobs?  YES

            Those are the facts.  It may be a good business decision for Fiat but it doesn’t change the facts. Also, the Bloomberg article is clearly biased since it makes NO mention of the BURDEN of the UAW contract on domestic Jeep production.

            You guys are pathetic in your desperation.

          • anamaria23

            There will be no jobs lost in USA  PER CEO’s of said companies.   Jeep is so in demand that jobs may be added. 

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Why aren’t US made Jeeps competitive?  Why not open a second US factory?  Why is no one asking this question?  There are plenty of skilled US workers looking for work.

          • Steve__T

             Thick as a brick

          • jefe68

            What’s pathetic is your tired act. You make hundreds of posts a week and all of them are devoid of any substance.

            The desperation is in how you twist facts to support your regressive narrative.

            Then you have to add the right wing meme about unions. Pathetic.

    • jefe68

      Boy are you really all over the map here. On the one hand you say Jeeps are exported to China and that this is somehow a threat to US jobs.

      In the next sentence you dump on the UAW and the very people who depend in these jobs.

      By the way you are aware that Ford, GM both have factories in China and in Europe. Ford has been making cars in GB since the late 50′s. Car companies have been doing building factories in other nations for years.

      The thing is Mitt Romney’ entire busniess experience has included doing what he’s being critical of. Closing down factories or restructuring companies for the good of Bain Capital at the expense of workers. 

      Again, you post so much with little or no substance.

      One more thing, Mitt Romney is a hypocrite as he is critical of Obama for the very kind of deal he would have done. Romney is just slinging mud in the hope that something sticks. One thing is for sure, Mitt Romney an out right lair. And that’s the bottom line.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Sorry you are so confused.  It is pretty clear.

        • jefe68

           Confused about what? It’s pretty clear to me that you don’t understand how the auto industry works.  

          There is no confusion to the fact that you are clearly the one who is confused and not interested and facts.

      • MrNutso

        Not to mention Asian and European car makers with factories in the US.

    • anamaria23

      Jeep does not export Jeeps to China.  They HAVE a factory
      in China that builds Jeeps for China sales.  That is commonplace in the auto industry,  No jobs will be exported to China per statement from Chrysler exec who broke precedent to disclaim the false information as did the GM execs.
      Jeep sales are the best ever, among the best selling vehicles in the world.  Can’t keep up with demand. 
      You obviously were duped by the false ads by Romney. 

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Sorry but the do export Jeeps to China, for now.  But pretty soon they won’t.

  • TinaWrites

    HOW ARE ALL THE PEOPLE DISMISSED BY THE STORM GOING TO VOTE?  HAVE PLANS BEEN MADE STATE-BY-STATE FOR THOSE STATES THAT WERE AFFECTED?  IS THERE A POLITICAL ADVANTAGE TO ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER?  DOESN’T THE SITUATION RISK DISENFRANCHISING MANY, MANY PEOPLE?  Thanks!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Most importantly, do any of these states have a Republican in the office of Secretary of State?

      That in itself is an indicator of “turnout”, oddly enough.

      • TinaWrites

        Sure seems so!  Thanks!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

    Media need to do a better job at pointing out lies, especially outrageous lies which has been so much worse in this election cycle. And 99% of times comes from the Republican side. Point out what was said and what is said now, and what is fault and what is truth. How can people throw around “factcheck” said on ads when it is completely false.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=661796904 Nancy Wilder

    How are people still supporting when he is an out and out liar?!
    From the lies in Ohio regarding Chrysler moving the Jeep division to China (to which a Chrysler exec tweeted that Romney is “full of s**t) to the scheduled victory rally that became a relief rally for Sandy victims complete with a 10 minute Romney propaganda film and supplies purchased by his campaign to be used as photo op props, he has demonstrated in more instances than I can list here how pandering, disingenuous and un-Presidential he is.

    • keltcrusader

      I think that tweet was actually directed at Trump, but Romney is so full of it you would think his eyes would be brown by now.

    • John_in_Amherst

       There is an interesting op-ed By Charles Blow in the NYT this week (http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/liberty-to-lie/?nl=opinion&emc=edit_ty_20121101) in which a study is cited.  In the pol, people were asked “do you find candidate X trustworthy? honest? to have your interests at heart?  For Obama, the pol numbers topped 60% yes on all these, for Romney they were less than 50%, yet the question of “who are you voting for” was an even split.  This means a sizable percentage of the respondents intend to vote for Romney despite the fact they find him less honest, trustworthy or caring.  This is a truly depressing statement about the electorate….

      • Don_B1

        I would hope that the political scientists follow up on that “feature” of the “voter mind” and help determine what drove it.

        I am purely speculating, but frustration on the jobs issue probably is a strong driver of their decisions. And it might be women who are making those cognitive dissonant decisions, where they are really worried about Romney on women’s health issues and do not have the economic knowledge to be able to dismiss his job creation and tax and budget claims as so much hot air (which it is, as I have discussed many times, from the College Editor program, the Wrath of Sandy program, and today).

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

    I agree. They don’t seem to be doing their job. The good old honorable media has become rate-pumping business. As long as they keeping the race close, they are making money. I wish “doing the right thing” take precedence.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    Did Talev say “Obama is leading in some states within the margin of error”?

    Please, please: You’re all professionals. You should be able to read a poll.

    When Candidate X is ahead of Candidate Y by 4% in a poll with a 4% MofE, that doesn’t mean they’re statistically tied!!!

    That particular example means an 84% probabiliy that Candidate X is ahead. Anyone want to give me an even-money bet on a contest I have an 84% chance of winning?

    Can’t anybody here report on this game?

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/blogphotos/Blog_MOE_2008.gif

    • Mike_Card

      People in this business seem to get confused by any math above long addition.  Thanks for the example of statistical analysis.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        B-b-b-but they’re “savvy”. They’re a clique of “serious people” who’ve been watching politics inside the Beltway forever!

        (Don’t thank me. Thank the likes of Nate Silver, Kevin Drum, Nick Beaudot, and everyone who’s gonna put the hack spinners out of work someday.)

        • Don_B1

          @Mike_Card:disqus @yahoo-JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y:disqus 

          Let’s hope so!

          But the MSM get a “narrative” from previous inclinations or the points of view of the first that cover the subject and then try to make all the data that comes in subsequently fit that narrative.

          Alternately they just have the desire to see a “close race” because that is a bigger seller for their product.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

    I agree. They don’t seem to be doing their job. The good old honorable
    media has become rate-pumping business. As long as they keeping the race
    close, they are making money. I wish “doing the right thing” take
    precedence.

  • MrNutso

    Tom, it certainly progress.  We were shedding incredible numbers of jobs and now we are adding jobs.  Slow yes, but not bad.  The stock market is close to is all time high.

    • Ray in VT

      Here are some net job numbers from the past few years:

      2008 private sector non farm jobs: -3,603,000
      2009 private sector non farm jobs: -5,059,000
      2010 private sector non farm jobs: +1,017,000
      2011 private sector non farm jobs: +1,840,000
      2012 private sector non farm jobs: +1,569,000 so far

  • Ed75

    Wow, the president is up to 40′s with white male voters in the Mid-West. Impressive. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Actually, the underreported secret about the white male vote this time around is that it’s super-duper concentrated for Romney in Appalachia and the South. In other places, not so much. In the rest of suburbanizing, growing America, not so much.

      But reporting on that would require a kind of granularity that our mainstream press isn’t very interested in.

  • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

    Good for you, Jim! Whooo!

  • Ed75

    I don’t criticize the president for flip-flopping. I wish he would flip-flop since his positions aren’t good.

  • katherinespoint

    Tom Ashbrook I am surprised at you!  You are clearing indicating a bias towards romney and that simply shocks me. How you can gloss over so many lies from romney and downplay positive news supporting obama’s path saddens me.  Not to realize that it is a slow climb up and out and support that and acknowledge that integrety for this nation IS the best path, of which romney has none, is remarkable.

    • Don_B1

      It is too bad that these posts cannot be flagged for direct sending to one of the “in-studio” participants.

      It would seem that no one has brought any of the links to articles by middle policy economists Reinhard and Rogoff to Tom’s or anyone else’s attention at On Point; see:

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-16/reinhart-rogoff-say-romney-advisers-understate-crisis-severity.html

      and:

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-17/reinhart-rogoff-reply-to-team-romney.html

      with a summary on the tax plan by Josh Barro, a conservative blogger:

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-12/the-final-word-on-mitt-romney-s-tax-plan.html

      That is a real widespread problem throughout the MSM, and when they see no need to understand macroeconomics, it gives pause to hopes that the general public would see the need, though without understanding macro, the correct path to economic recovery will not be found until more and more severe damage is done.

      Not following Keynes’ prescriptions for economies that are in a Liquidity Trap is a sure road to where Greece is, and where the U.K. is heading under the Conservative Party as led by Cameron and Osborne, although there was a little pushback the other day, apparently.

      Entering a second Recession when using policies that the VSPs claim will regrow the economy does seem to indicate to the general electorate that they have selected a Pied Piper to lead them. It is also called “concentrating the mind.”

      Let all Americans vote for President Obama so the lesson does not have to be force fed to us.

  • SomMom

    I’m really afraid that over this weekend Romney will put up 100 more ads as full of lies as the Jeep ads are, in all the swing states, and there won’t be time for the media to correct the lies!

    Notice that this Jeep ad emphasizes the words “Truth” and “Fact checkers” — while telling lies!

    This guy will stoop to any lie necessary to get himself into office. He did it here in Massachusetts, and he’s been doing it on hyper-drive the last 2 months. I’m glad the people of Ohio see through his lies.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Didn’t you hear the panel?  There were no lies in the Romney ad.

      • SomMom

         I guess people really hear what they want to hear! The panel explained the facts behind what had really happened. The ad clearly distorted the facts. Sometimes the truth is too difficult to put into a sound bite and you need to listen to it closely!

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           What facts were distorted?

          This is the first time I’ve heard the UAW cheer a car company opening a factory in China.

          Contrast the reaction to Boeing opening a factory in the US — in South Carolina.  Remember the outrage?  Please tell me the difference.

          The media and Obama supporters are hypocrites.  Why?  There is an election in 4 days.

          • SomMom

             Listen to the show again once it’s posted.  (and if you think “On Point” is full of lies, why do you listen?) … But meanwhile, from the Washington Post (which gave the ad “4 pinocchios”):

            “Romney’s fiction was apparently based on a misreading of a Bloomberg News report
            a few days earlier, which said that Chrysler would resume production in
            China for the first time since parent Fiat SpA bought the company — in
            addition to Chrysler’s production in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio.

             “Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production
            of its Jeep models out of North America to China,” Chrysler executive
            Gualberto Ranieri wrote in a statement, using italics for emphasis.  “A
            careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved
            unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.” Ranieri said the
            conclusion that it was moving all production to China was “a leap that
            would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.”

            “But in the game of trickery, Romney is exceedingly dexterous.  A couple of days later, his campaign came out with an ad in Ohio
            repeating the allegation in a way that tweaked the wording to make it
            technically true, while continuing to give the same false impression”

            Story at
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-romneys-jeep-ad-drives-off-the-road-of-truth/2012/10/30/f207c606-22c9-11e2-8448-81b1ce7d6978_story.html

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             So the WaPO claims the ad is true but gives it 4 Ps?  LOL

            I’ve read Kessler before.  He is completely in the tank for Obama.

            He gave Paul Ryan  4 Ps for accurately quoting Obama in his convention speech.   Really?  He gave some lame excuse about the timing of a plant closing — but Kessler had the facts WRONG and further they were irrelevant to the point Ryan was making.

             I’m fed up with media spin meisters.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

             Listening to the show again is recommended, and also checking the hearing and cognitive abilities should be a follow-up. When one’s hearing seems to hear different from others, people should go check their physical health and evaluate/re-evaluate setbacks.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            I heard the show clearly.  Especially Jack reading media spin from opinion writers in Ohio newspapers.

            Notice no one is challenging me on the facts or hypocrisy of the Boeing argument.

          • Don_B1

            @SomMom:disqus @yahoo-BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ:disqus 
            Just remember “Worried” likes to play the role of a cat with a captured mouse, playing with it until it has lost its strength to resist.

            He knows exactly what the issue is but wants to promote a misinterpretation of that data, pure and simple.

      • John_in_Amherst

         Since 2010, Romney has stopped beating his wife.  Romney hasn’t molested a child since last year.  Paul Ryan hasn’t had sex with a goat once while serving in congress.  Worried, I’m sure you get the point here…

        • Steve__T

           No you give him way to much credit.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Romney now has WI in the bag.

    Bart Starr just came out and endorsed Romney.

    • jefe68

      That’s funny as the probability stats have President Obama’ possible win in that state at 92.7%.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        LOL.

        We’ll find out early Tuesday if that is true.

        • Ray in VT

          You mean late Tuesday or early Wednesday?  Polls probably close at 9:00 eastern.

          • Don_B1

            The counting won’t begin until then, anyway.

    • Steve__T

       Why would I vote for Romney because a football player is? You don’t give WI very much credibility for having any wisdom on who they vote for. Are you implying they are stupid?

  • ttajtt

    all we have is items for war no food home construction parts.   what would it take for if the west side to be hit the same now?   

    • JGC

      There was an editorial by Chrystia Freeland in today’s Globe and Mail “Superstorm’s wake exposes a nation’s class-divide reality”.  Some of her comments were: 

      For a few hours or days, the geographic lines bisected Manhattan into a new community of privilege and deprivation.  Privilege meant living north of 34th Street, no matter what your income, race, gender or creed;  deprivation meant living south of that line…   The real class divide exposed by Sandy is the way in which money makes natural disasters more bearable.  Finding a hotel room and perhaps a taxi to get you there is tough this week in New York, but the rich can afford  both…If you are a member of the hollowed-out middle class, getting sick or losing your job is a blow from which you, and perhaps your children, will never recover.  For the wealthy, bouncing back is much easier; indeed crisis can be opportunity…Sandy has served up a meaningful twist on this theme.  For a day or two, life circumstances were most powerfully shaped not by the size of your bank account, but by your particular street address.  That gave some of the denizens of the city’s hippest quarters a taste of what it is like to suddenly be the losers in life’s lottery…The veil of ignorance is a valuable idea when it comes to thinking about income inequality in the United States, particularly because so many winners in its winner-take-all economy are sure they fully deserve their good fortune.  Sandy should be a reminder that very often in life neither triumph nor disaster are deserved.  Understanding that would profoundly change how the country responds to rising economic disparity.

  • http://twitter.com/odin_mary mary

    compare Hurricane Sandy’s response to Hurricane Katrina

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    WHEN has Romney EVER SHOWN that he “knows how to create jobs”?  NEVER.

    Running a vulture capital company is NOT creating jobs, it is making money off other people whether they are successful or not.

    • larsrisd

      Amen! You constantly hear people justify voting for Romeny by saying he’s a “successful businessman” (read “he made money”).The problem is people equate Romney making money to creating jobs. If trickle down economics work well as a rule, that might be the case, but the way Romney makes money seems to be pretty indiscriminate about how it effects the working class. Just because he’s successfully padded his bank accounts DOES NOT mean he can create jobs for working class people.

      • Don_B1

        Herbert Hoover was a good businessman and an admired administrator who handled the recovery from the 1927 Mississippi River Flood. And we all know how ineffective he was with an economic crisis that is all too similar to what the country faces right now.

        And Romney is doubling down on the Bush administration policies that created the 2007-2009 Great Recession! What is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result the definition of? Right! Wing! Insan…

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          At least Hoover was faced with an economic crisis unlike every Panic beforehand. I just am curious how the GOP is so intent on repeating history.

    • John_in_Amherst

       The success of the MA economy during Romney’s years as governor was largely despite, not because of, Romney.

      • keltcrusader

        If I remember correctly, MA has a huge population migration OUT of the state during Romney’s tenure. I also think it was considered the highest out-migration rate for any state during that time period. 

  • http://twitter.com/twelvebarefeet Helen Weatherall

    Tom is so determined to appear fair and balanced that he changes the message of some of his callers. When a gentleman called to say that Romney can’t have it both ways in terms of news on job creation Tom swamped the caller’s point by asking “but are you satisfied with Obama’s progress on job creations? I found this very irritating. The caller’s point ought to be given more respect.

  • Joh Graves

    I actually don’t trust Romney to create jobs, and here is why: He understand big business, but not small business. Small business is still the backbone of the American economy and employs the majority of Americans. I have some perspective on both since my father has run a small business since 1976 and my husband works for a large corporation. My father is trying to retire and finally found someone to buy (he is very specialized.) The problem? They wanted him to cut one division entirely, and create more product with fewer people. He decided to take a different route to retirement because 13 of his employees (some of whom had worked there over 20 years) would be out of a job. I have no doubt Romney would have made a different choice. Obama may not “know business” the way Romney does, but at least he’s not in bed with soulless big corporate shills!

    • larsrisd

      Yup. It’s about the bottom line and the dollars to the guys on top. If the cost of those few percentage points in efficiency is cutting working people off at the knees we should be concerned. 
      It amazes me that people who call themselves good, God fearing christians on one hand applaud predatory business practices on the other.

      Good for your dad for going the moral and ethical route. 

      Romney will do anything to win this election. It’s all about PR and showing what a good wholesome man he is.
      http://www.politicolnews.com/romney-fake-5000-wall-mart-food-for-sandy-relief/

    • jimino

      Creating jobs has nothing to do with the business world of Romney and others like him.  Their only goal is to maximize their personal gain and that of large shareholders whose main source of income is capital gains.  The result of their practices is that corporate profits per employee are several times the post-war average and U.S. labor’s share of the economic pie has never been lower.

      http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=QQ

      http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PRS85006173

      As to whether Obama is as distant from those interests as you state, I have my doubts.  When you hear the term “grand bargain”, the translation is that most people will take a hit to benefit the upper echelon that controls both party’s policies.

      • Joh Graves

        Hi jimino,
        You’re right that the situation in Washington is such that Obama cannot be distant from upper echelon control. No American could get to be President by being squeaky clean. From what I have seen, though (my unscientific observations,) Obama reluctantly plays ball while Romney gleefully panders. Put another way, Obama at least tries to wear a hazmat suit and Romney rolls in the… stuff.

      • hennorama

        Thanks for using the St. Louis Fed research site as a source.  This site is one of my personal favorites, as it allows one to “Create Your Own Data Transformation” using their data.

        Here’s one I created to demonstrate the use of factual data to create a false impression.  It shows Real GDP per unemployed person for the last 5 years.  This has been rising, and is now almost $1.1 billion (in chained 2005 dollars) for each 1,000 unemployed workers.

        So it’s obvious that we need more unemployed workers, right?  Each extra 1,000 should give us $1.1. billion in GDP, right?   Of course not, but see how easy it is to use facts to create a false impression?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    So Fiat opens a new Jeep factory in China and it is a great thing according the Obama supporters.

    When Boeing tries to open a second 787 factory in South Carolina it was a horrible thing.

    Please explain the difference.

    Also, Fiat has announced Jeep production in Italy for export to the US:

    CEO Sergio Marchnionne announced, in Bloomberg’s words (in paragraph 6, subtitled “Italy’s Jeep”), that it will “build a small Jeep in Italy for export beginning in 2014 … a new model for Europe and the U.S. that isn’t currently in production.”

    • larsrisd

      Fiat wasn’t exporting American jobs to China. As I heard they were increasing jobs in the US plant, but also decided to build a factory in China to satisfy the dramatic demand for cars there.

      It sounds like the boing situation was much more nuanced than “A Horrible thing” would imply, and involved Union issues as much as anything.
      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/30/nikki-haley/haley-ties-obama-boeing-labor-dispute/

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Fiat made a business decision –fine. 

        However,  the Romney ad isn’t a lie as the media and Obama campaign claims.  I don’t recall this kind of outrage from the media when Obama’s superpac ran an ad that claimed Romney killed a mans wife with cancer and that was a true lie.

        Jeep currently exports US made Jeeps to China and that will cease once the Chinese factory is up and running.

        Why aren’t US made Jeeps competitive?  Is it the UAW contract foisted on Fiat by the Obama bailout?  What will happen in the long term once these foreign factories are humming? Will Fiat make business decisions then too?  Of course.

        • anamaria23

          Quite a stretch in reasoning,  but a good argument for single payer health care.  China has a form of health care for all which frees businesses from providing coverage to Chinese workers and lack of which drives up costs for union workers.

        • hennorama

          Jeep is already running at full capacity in the U.S. and cannot keep up with current demand.

          There are significant obvious competitive advantages in avoiding Chinese import tariffs and overseas transportation costs, (and other advantages as well) that result from Jeep building vehicles in China for the Chinese market.  The “build them where you sell them” policies of auto manufacturers worldwide also results in foreign auto cos. manufacturing millions of vehicles in the US.

          For a balanced view of both sides of this issue, see:http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/11/01/173361/romneys-jeep-charge-highlights.html

    • SomMom

       You’ve left out some facts here.

      from the Washington Post (which gave the ad “4 pinocchios”):

      “Romney’s fiction was apparently based on a misreading of a Bloomberg News report a few days earlier, which said that Chrysler would resume production in China for the first time since parent Fiat SpA bought the company — in addition to Chrysler’s production in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio.

       “Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China,” Chrysler executive Gualberto Ranieri wrote in a statement, using italics for emphasis.  “A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.” Ranieri said the conclusion that it was moving all production to China was “a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.”

      “But in the game of trickery, Romney is exceedingly dexterous.  A couple of days later, his campaign came out with an ad in Ohio repeating the allegation in a way that tweaked the wording to make it technically true, while continuing to give the same false impression”

      Story athttp://www.washingtonpost.com/…

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        So the WaPO claims the ad is true but gives it 4 Ps?  LOL

        I’ve read Kessler before.  He is completely in the tank for Obama.

        He gave Paul Ryan  4 Ps for accurately quoting Obama in his convention speech.   Really?

        He gave some lame excuse about the timing
        of a plant closing — but Kessler had the facts WRONG and further they were irrelevant to the point Ryan was making.

         I’m fed up with media spin meisters.

        • keltcrusader

          Lies of omisson are still lies

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             So when Obama says Romney was 47th in job creation when in fact he took MA from 50th to 22nd that is a lie of omission?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

             It’s correct and true that Massachusetts ranked 47th of 50 in job creation on Romney’s watch.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             And it was also true that when he left office he had improved the ranking from 50th to 22nd.  We are discussing lies of omission.

          • keltcrusader

            it was 28th, but overall it was 47% for his entire term and the state had one of the weakest job-growth recoveries in the country during that time as well as below average economic growth. MA also experienced the largest out-migration of population of any state during that period. Could it be his $500M revenue increase in fees and decrease in state aid to cities & town that caused  the average rate of state and local taxes to rise from 9.6 percent to 10.2 percent. This compared to the national rate, which rose from 9.5 percent to 9.7 percent during the same period made it too expensive for people to stick around to have their pockets picked by his administration. When does he discuss this at his rallies?

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Aren’t you supposed to say gvt can’t create jobs? Get your Party Line straight.

            Romney was an invisible gov except for 1 thing, Obamneycare. Doesn’t the Party Line say that’s a job killer?

          • anamaria23

            False.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            What was omitted in the Romney ad OR in Paul Ryan’s speech?

            That US Jeep exports will cease once the plant is open?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/BQCXJB4TE7L7QIIG7NKDZ5BNJQ JoeJ

             The owner said NO. And we suppose to believe people like you? Don’t get to far ahead or else you will be thinking 2012  will be the end of the earth too.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Boeing said no jobs would be lost in WA but the same crowd that has their head in the sand now where up in arms about Boeing building a factory in South Carolina.

            Don’t you see the hypocrisy?

            btw – I see nothing wrong with Fiat’s decision.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             And this is a first.  Labor supporters believe management.

        • Steve__T

           Why are you fed up? your the best spin master I’ve seen, some of these guys should take notes from your posts.

      • hennorama

        One should be careful when using the words “fact” and “truth” (and their derivations) as they are not the same.  These ads are not “technically true” but are instead “factually accurate.”

        Facts are empirically observable, confirmable, and objective matters rather than subjective ones.  They can answer the “Who, what, when, where and how” questions.  Facts are more objective and more permanent and real.

        For example, when you say New York City is located in the eastern part of the U.S., you are stating a fact.   When you say you are in NYC, you are telling the truth for that exact moment.  This truth changes when you cross a bridge and wind up in New Jersey, but the fact that NYC is in the eastern US remains unchanged.  Facts are more permanent whereas truth is more temporary.

        Truth involves screening facts through the filter of belief.  If one believes something to be true, then it is true, regardless of the facts involved.  Truth answers the “why” question.  Truth is subjective and
        changeable.

        These ads are factual and yet they create impressions that are not true.

        BTW, I love the circus imagery conjured up by Mr. Ranieri – it’s perfect for this circus of a campaign.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Ladies and gentlemen, that twisting, screeching sound of desperation will he here all week. Try the ribeye, and don’t forget to tip your bartender.

  • Ray in VT

    Was there any mention of Michael “Heckuva job” Brown criticizing the adminstration for reacting to the hurricane too early, or Craig Furgate’s response of “better to be fast than to be late”?

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Did you watch the new this AM?  There are serious problems.  I can’t believe they are still planning on running the marathon.

      btw – I’m not being critical of FEMA or local support.  I don’t know the facts on the ground other than people are suffering.

      However, I do question Bloomberg’s decision on the marathon.

      • Ray in VT

        That does seem like an odd decision, and I’m not sure what his rationale is behind that.  On the other hand, does it not strike you as a bit strange for Michael Brown to be criticizing disaster response?

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           I didn’t give it much thought.

          Maybe Bloomberg is the new Ray Nagin.

          • Ray in VT

            I found the comment to be extremely outrageous, and I highly doubt that Mayor Bloomberg’s reaction will be seen historically to be as wanting as the Katrina response in New Orleans.  Of course, NYC isn’t sitting below sea level, so it has that going for it.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            My joke answers:

            “On foot” is almost the easiest way to get around NYC right now.

            And being a regular volunteer at other marathons (including Boston), I wouldn’t blame Noo Yawkers if they jogged up to water stations in their regular clothes to drink the clean water there.

          • Don_B1

            The difference between NYC and New Orleans is not as different as you might think.

            The 13′ 8″ (~4 meter) surge took the water over the entrances to the subterranean  infrastructure which goes down as much as 20 stories (mostly the aqueducts) that thus can get flooded and have no built-in pumps to extract the water. I believe all 7 East River Tunnels flooded, and will take days to be pumped out, as too fast a removal could cause unequal pressures within the tunnel and its subsequent collapse.

            Try to find Michael Tidwell’s book, ”
            The Ravaging Tide: Strange Weather, Future Katrinas, and the Coming Death of America’s Coastal Cities,” where he discusses, in 2006, the threat to NYC.

          • Ray in VT

            I think that I’ve heard of that book.  I didn’t think about the infrastructure below ground, but there is certainly a great deal of that (including the train that my brother in law and his wife use to get into Manhattan for work every day).  I was thinking more about the actual land.  Either way, though, any coastal area is at risk given such conditions.

          • jefe68

            More bovine excrement from a dissembler of facts.

      • hennorama

        There is a delicate balancing act that occurs after disasters.  On one hand, all efforts must be made to save lives and help the injured; power and transit must be restored; public order must be maintained and looting and price gouging prevented, etc., etc.

        On the other hand, it’s also important to return to normal activities ASAP.  This has important psychological and economic benefits that cannot be ignored.  Symbolic activities, such as the NYC Marathon, can be viewed as “we’re not gonna let this disaster defeat us” or similar.

        Mayor Bloomberg is acting with all of this in mind.  This is similar to what Pres. Bush did after the 9/11 attacks when he said “I ask your continued participation and confidence in the American economy,” and  “Get on board. Do your business around the country. Fly and enjoy America’s great destination spots. Get down to Disney World in Florida. Take your families and enjoy life, the way we want it to be enjoyed.”

        It’s a difficult balancing act.  The return to normal has to begin sometime, and this seems to be what Mayor Bloomberg is saying with this decision.

  • Bruce94

    As someone who was living in New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina hit, my heart goes out to all those in Hurricane Sandy’s path.  That said, I feel it is appropriate to comment on the elephant in the room.  While Sandy may have thrown up logistical roadblocks for both the Dem & GOP campaigns down the home stretch, for the GOP it’s not just a bump in the road; it’s more like an embarrassing elephant in the room reminding voters of the failure of Bush’s “limited govt.” response to Katrina.

    As with Katrina & more recently Hurricane Isaac, GOP Governors could be seen frantically teeing up their state of emergency declarations, but ultimately unable to avoid the appearance of blatant hypocrisy after their Party’s standard bearer’s advocacy of draconian budget cuts that would cripple the very same federal agencies these Governors depend on for storm monitoring info as well as emergency preparedness, response & relief.

    Further, some in this extremist iteration of the GOP have foolishly called for dismantling FEMA.  Romney in a 2011 primary debate said as much when he “absolutely” agreed that disaster relief should be moved to the States or privatized.

    The inescapable, inconvenient truth that Romnesiacs hope the electorate will forget is that the Romney/Ryan budget would drastically cut funding for NOAA & NWS.  The 14.6% cutback envisioned in their budget would reduce forecasting accuracy to such an extent that governors & mayors in areas impacted by storms like Sandy would have to order evacuations lasting twice as long or covering areas twice as large as they would otherwise.  In addition, a Romney admin. would seek to decrease  total non-entitlement fed. spending from 12% to 3.5% of GDP–a decrease that would without doubt starve FEMA of the money needed to carry out effective emergency preparedness, response and recovery efforts in the future.

    Just look at the GOP record on funding weather forecasting & disaster relief after the Tea Party took over Congress.  In 2011 the House Appropriations Committee voted to cut NOAA’s Hurricane Hunter program by 40%; they also tried to reduce FEMA’s First Responders grant program by $816 million & FEMA’s National Pre-Disaster Mitigation Fund by $50 million.  Since 2010 the GOP has forced a 43% reduction in primary grants from FEMA that pay for disaster preparedness.

    If that’s not enough to convince you that a Romney admin. would jeopardize our country’s capacity to plan for & mitigate natural disasters, then simply look at what the GOP did in response to Hurricane Irene last year.  Dems wanted emergency funds for FEMA to help the victims of Irene, but Republicans insisted that the new spending be offset by cuts elsewhere in the fed. budget–a requirement that the GOP ignored for years under Bush and yet another example of GOP willingness to engage in the politics of extortion in order to create gridlock in Washington and to undermine our collective capacity to deal effectively with not only natural disasters, but also man-made financial disasters like the Great Recession.

    • William

      Are the cuts actually cutting or reducing the rate of growth? Also, what do you programs, agencies should be cut?

      • Steve__T

         Would you like to try and rephrase that statement so that it makes some kind of sense? Or do you have a brain tumor that needs cutting to reduce growth?

        • William

           Are you capable of having a discussion or you just want to trade insults?

    • hennorama

      Very well said.

      The potential consequences of funding cuts to these important Federal functions and activities is not widely considered, as it has gotten little national attention prior to SS Sandy.  It’s unfortunate that it takes such a gigantic natural disaster to shed further light on these topics.

      Both Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have made it quite clear that they wish to drastically cut both the funding for and the scope of responsibilities of FEMA and the other entities you mention.  They cite “fiscal responsibility” and “reducing the size of governemnt” as two reasons for doing so.

      This also reflects the current general tendency of many of their supporters to disbelieve and reject science.  This disbelief is odd and often contradictory.  For example, if one believes and responds to the hurricane forecasters, one is believing in science.  Ignoring these forecasts can have horrific consequences, as we see in the deaths and suffering of many who failed to heed the advance warnings.

      Ignorance is not bliss, as this massive storm made crystal clear.

      • harverdphd

         Don’t worry…we’re funding them by printing money

    • harverdphd

       Actually, there’s no money to pay for recovery, FEMA or the like…we’ll just print more money

  • Michiganjf

    It will be “poetic justice” to see Romney lose, then have to spend his remaining years asking himself:

    “What if I had been honest? What if I hadn’t lied and lied and lied, about almost everything? Maybe I might have won.”

    OR

     Maybe Romney will win and Americans will once again be shown that lying and cheating is how you get ahead in the world.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       You are full of malarkey.  Romney has run a much more positive and honest campaign.  Obama’s campaign is full of deceit and negative attacks.  He even admitted as such on 60 minutes.

      • jefe68

        The deceit is in all the nonsense you post, over and over again. And again. It’s really becoming comedic.

        • jimino

          “Worried” just has a lot of time on his hands to soak in and disseminate disinformation, living off of several(?) defined benefit pensions, probably some at public expense.  You know, the type of existence his proposals would make impossible for everyone else now that he’s got his.

      • JGC

        Honest???  Honestly!!!

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Good point. The MA moderate would be a much stronger candidate. However you can’t win a TeaOP primary without taking some crazy positions, and then you have to “shake the etchasketch”, which in the real world is called being a “liar”.

      It must also be said that his honesty in telling his fellow plutocrats what he thought about the 47% is one of the nails in the coffin. Here he was too honest.

      • jimino

        I wouldn’t be so sure about the 47% comment being the “nail in the coffin.”  That number refers to those who do not pay federal income tax, and I personally know several people who fall into that category, because of family size and retirement status, who will definitely be voting for Romney and all other Republicans on the ballot.  I expect there are many others.

        The truth is that a significant number who fall into that category don’t even know they are in it.  They know they pay a lot of taxes.  It’s taken out of their paycheck or obvious anytime they pay for something, and certainly do not consider themselves moochers or victims, but at the end of the year and application of deduction, credits, etc., do not pay net federal income tax.

        These folks do not even realize it is THEM that so disgusts people like Romney and Ryan.

        • TomK_in_Boston

          Sadly, you’re right. A lot of the victims seem to love this oligarch talk, and Lord R revealing his true self faded away in the media rather rapidly. Nevertheless, I think it weakened his camo a bit, and every bit helps.

    • harverdphd

       If Romney loses he goes on to live the life of a billionaire…he won’t give a whit about what you think.

      • JGC

        True that, but I read Mitt always thinks about his father, (even putting his Dad’s name on the podium at the three presidential debates)  I guess about rising to a challenge and maybe even surpassing his father, especially politically. I just cannot believe that George Romney would have been behind the way Mitt handled the auto industry fallout starting in 2007 and up through this very day. His father would have been proud of him, for sure, for many things,  but I cannot believe this is the way George Romney would have handled the domestic auto industry question.

  • Barbara Bates Peck

    Please comment on the observation of Generators sitting idle, waiting for the Marathon to use them – and not being used to help residents without power.

    • JGC

      Ummmm…not one of the Mayor’s better ideas?

  • AliVT

    Does anyone see a similarity between the difficulties in helping folks in Staten Island and the difficulties in helping people in New Orleans? I think it shows that disasters are tough to handle. If all possible government resources are available now under this President and yet people are still suffering it might illuminate some points. Can’t we agree that it should be about how well response plans are set up by local authorities that mean the difference between success and failure. MANDATING EVACUATIONS AND FACILITATING THEM are perhaps more important than throwing money at things.

    • hennorama

      One also must emphasize individual disaster preparedness.  Storing water and food to sustain oneself for up to a week is a simple first step.

      Find out more:http://www.redcross.org/prepare

      and:http://arcbrcr.org/#SITE

      • Steve__T

         Yes Especially! after you’ve been warned that its coming days in advance.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Anyway, I’ll be very happy to see “Nasty Ken” Brown out of the senate. I have been really disgusted by his campaign, which amounts to “you’re not a native American and I’m bipartisan, I’m bipartisan, I’m bipartisan….”  Screw you, “Ken”, I don’t want bipartisanship with the TeaOP. It’s like saying “elect me, I’ll negotiate with terrorists”. Get a real job.

  • Bruce94

    We have a choice on Nov. 6.  On one hand, there is the vision expressed in Romney’s 47% comment denigrating nearly half of America and Ryan’s immoral budget shredding our social safety-net, shrinking an already beleaguered middle-class, and diminishing our competitiveness in the global economy.  On the other hand, there is the vision reflected in Obama’s courageous rescue of the auto industry, his historic reform of health care, his sorely needed  consumer protection & other financial reforms, and an indispensable stimulus package–the implementation of which (all the above) prevented another Great Depression and laid the foundation for sustainable economic growth and broadly shared prosperity based on the necessary  public investments in human capital, infrastructure and research–investments that ensure that the U.S. has the most productive labor force, the most efficient infrastructure, and the most advanced information, transportation and clean energy technologies. 

    Romney’s vision embraces a yearned-for, old (often imaginary) social order through restoration.  It equates the American Dream with hyper individualism, rabid consumerism & unregulated, rapacious capitalism.  Obama’s vision focuses on the future in a different way by embracing a new social, economic order through transformation.  It identifies the American Dream with communitarian values, mutuality, and govt. intervention only when needed to address market failures, social injustice and lack of equal opportunity. 

    When Romney says he “wants to take the country back,” I think we have to take him at his word.  He would indeed return the country to the Jim Crow oppression of the Nifty 50′s, or the income inequality & conspicuous consumption of the Roaring 20′s, or the Robber Barons of the Gilded Age. 

    Hopefully, the electorate will reject the illusions of past grandeur and move forward to embrace the future with the positive change that was initiated four years ago.  

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Yup, Romney wants to put y’all back in chains.  Just ask Joltin Joe Biden aka ‘The Joker’

      • Bruce94

        The real jokers are the Ron and (Ayn) Rand Pauls in this extremist iteration of your GOP, who would use the pretext of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution to roll back nearly a century of progress securing women’s rights including reproductive freedom, collective bargaining rights, and, yes, civil rights for racial & ethnic minorities, as well as gay rights including marriage equality. 

        You have to admit that your guy, the opportunistic chameleon, has pandered to a pretty scary bunch of eccentric libertarian wing-nuts in alliance with an extreme cabal of flat-earth religious zealots.   

      • 1Brett1

        You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to try wringing out a zinger…it’s not really sad, though; you can’t really say anything more than you already have to sound more foolish than you already do…

    • hennorama

      I too have taken Mr. Romney et al at their word, even though they leave the “ward” out of “backward” in their remarks.  I view this omission the same way I view how people often seem to omit the “b” when they advertise their “Gar[b]age Sale.”

  • 1Brett1

    To Ed75, who intimates that Sandy exemplifies God’s wrath for…[fill in the blank with whatever hate-filled lie he wants to tell us about the reasons of moral decay in society, e.g., gay marriage, legal abortion, etc.], deus ex machina. The idea of nature intervening may just be a literary device, but then it may have upset just enough of the electorate’s fence sitting to sway people toward putting Obama back in office.

    Wouldn’t that be something for Ed to put in his pipe and smoke. The very so-called wrath manifested in a super storm might just be the thing to put what he perceives as the antichrist back in the ultimate position of power…

    • Ray in VT

      Maybe it’s just God’s way of ushering in the End Times.

      • 1Brett1

        Good one…although we may hear Ed using some similar excuse after Tuesday. Or maybe God was busy helping someone win a baseball game and didn’t notice Satan bringing the storm in?…My bet is that Ed will use your idea of an excuse.

        • Ray in VT

          That’s the beautiful thing about ascribing natural disasters or human events to a higher power.  They can mean or be intended whatever you already believe.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    3 years with no budget under Obama’s leadership while running up $5T in new debt is a firing offense. 
     
    No leadership on Simpson-Bowles is a firing offense. 
     
    We shouldn’t be surprised that Mr. Obama has shown a stunning lack of leadership since he’s had no leadership experience prior to his election to Presidency.

    • jimino

      Simpson-Bowles assumed expiration of the Bush era tax cuts AND more revenue through further increases in taxes.  No Republican house member of the committee supported it, led by the current VP nominee Ryan.  And every Republican who has signed the Norquist pledge has made it clear they will NEVER support the Simpson-Bowles approach.   You, as usual, have no idea what you’re talking about.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Wrong.  Obama ignored his own debt commission.  He could have shown leadership but didn’t.

        Ryan showed more leadership than Obama.  Ryan took what he considered was good in SB and added to it and got it passed.  Harry Reid (presumably at the behest of Obama) blocked the effort to work out a compromise bill.

        • Mike_Card

          You’re lying.  Try again.

        • jimino

          You’re pretty good at confidently and persuasively spewing nonsense.  It’s no wonder you’re so enthralled with Romney.

           But please, be honest. Do you actually believe the BS you post?  You realize that your candidate knows he’s lying but does it because it works in the market he finds himself competing in, don’t you?  That’s what being a successful business person in our current capitalist economy has taught him.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Romney will be a great President.  We are lucky to have him volunteer his services to the country in the great tradition of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.  These are uniquely difficult times and Romney has unique skills that match our woes.

            And this isn’t hero worship. It is about competence, leadership and problem solving skills.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        The only appropriate “leadership” re SB is rejection. With soaring inequality and unemployment our #1 problems, why would anyone consider a plan with tax cuts at the top and more program cuts than new revenue, plus screwing around with SS? It’s crazy. It amounts to nothing but caving in to the big bad deficit bogeyman in the interests of class warfare.

        • WorriedfortheCountry
          • TomK_in_Boston

            Yawn. If you want a bogeyman, Worried, I suggest something that actually enters real lives, and not an abstract concept. If you insist on fantasy, it should at least have tentacles or scales.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Your belief that debt is abstract explains much.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Did you see Mr Debt today? Talk to him? Was he mean to you?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Why am I so reminded of alcoholics when it comes to the debt?

          The GOP are the folks who, when out of power, want to make everyone else teetotallers because “some people” can’t handle temptation. But when they’re in power, they go off the wagon with wild abandon.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Yeah, and there’s also the delusional thinking. I mean, if someone says “The big bad debt is the greatest threat to the USA, we better cut taxes on the rich some more.”, it is not sane, normal thinking to take them seriously.

      • 1Brett1

        Republicans also held unemployment benefits hostage over continuing the tax cuts…nice bunch, they…

  • 1Brett1

    “I remember once, we had a football field at my high school. The field was covered with rubbish and paper goods from people who’d had a big celebration there at the game. And I thought, ‘how are we going to clean up all the mess on this football field?’ There were just a few of us. And the person responsible for organizing the effort said, ‘just line up along yard lines. You go between the goal line and the 10-yard line, and the next person between the 10 and 20, and just walk down and do your lane. And if everybody cleans their lanes, we’ll get it done.’ And so today, we’re cleaning one lane if you will.” 

    -Mitt Romney comparing cleaning up after Hurricane Sandy to cleaning up after a high school football game.

    Now that’s leadership! It has that “heck of a job, Brownie!” ring to it…

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Yeah, the “Brownie” affair is straight out of the TeaOP playbook. They claim gvt can’t do anything right, and they make it so by appointing incompetent hacks when they are in power and abusing all the pros for not having private sector jobs. Brownie had no disaster relief experience, he just had some TeaOP connections. “See how bad FEMA is!!! (after we appointed a hack as director, drove out some of the pros, and demoralized the rest).

      • JGC

        Brownie still lives on.  A Canadian newspaper gave him column space on their editorial page the other day, so he could tell us that Obama got it all wrong by starting to mobilize for Sandy on Sunday, instead of waiting until Monday after Sandy struck, and besides he should have waited for state and local governments to request the help.  Who pays this guy’s salary? 

        • Mike_Card

          Saaaay…Is Lady Ann’s dressage pony an Arabian, by any chance?? Brownie’s sole qualification for the office of FEMA Director was that he had been the exec dir of the Arabian Horse Association…

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Actually I think he had been the college roommate of a big GoP donor….that’s how you pick heads of important agencies when you want to prove that gvt can’t do anything right.

      • Don_B1

        @Mike_Card:disqus @disqus_kLh54B1nUd:disqus @TomK_in_Boston:disqus @1Brett1:disqus 

        Kevin Drum has the difference between the governmental approaches of Republicans and Democrats nailed here:

        http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/10/fema-case-study-difference-between-democrats-and-republicans

        • JGC

          James Lee Witt was a trail blazer.  He really taught the country the way that emergency management should be conducted at the federal level.  A tough act to follow, especially given the short shrift by Bush/Cheney. 

        • hennorama

          Mr. Drum really nailed the rhythm of FEMA’s ups and downs, sticking it to the circle of Republicans Presidents he snared in his set piece.

        • Don_B1

          @disqus_kLh54B1nUd:disqus  @hennorama:disqus @1Brett1:disqus @TomK_in_Boston:disqus  @Mike_Card:disqus 

          For what may be the ultimate putdown of “Brownie,” listen to Melissa Harris Perry on her MSNBC program this morning:

          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979745/#49673193

          I didn’t change the station after listening to  Up/Chris Hayes this morning and was rewarded!

          Listen to Chris Hayes for an outstanding monologue on Climate Change as displayed with Hurricane Sandy! Then the discussion amplifies on it. [Online only for today's program.] Go to:

          http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/03/whats-at-stake-with-climate-change/

          • hennorama

            Ms. Harris-Perry simply and succinctly eviscerated that ridiculous fop Michael Brown, using his own clueless words in the process.  He continues to prove his clueless foolishness each time he opens his mouth or otherwise pops up in public.
            Mr. Hayes’ post was excellent as well.  I completely agree with his conclusions, and truly appreciate his prose and vocabulary.  I particulary enjoyed “… commuters trundle over the bridges…” and “… the entire teeming latticework of human life exists in the manifold improbable places it does.”  Admirable work, that.

            Thanks for sharing.

            (In retrospect, I’m now embarrassed by my punny take on Mr. Drum’s surname when I responded to your earlier post, below. My apologies.)

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Joe Biden is the gift that keeps giving.
    Another gaffe from Joe today.

    “There’s Never Been A Day In The Last Four Years I’ve Been Proud To Be His Vice President” – Joe Biden

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/biden-theres-never-been-a-day-in-the-last-four
     

    • Don_B1

      Keep promoting his “gaffes’!

      The general public, beyond just Democrats, understand where V.P. Biden’s heart is and they understand that he occasionally has misconnections between brain and tongue; they not an insight into where his mind and heart and real feelings about the issues are.

      He is not doing what Romney did with his “the 47%” talk.It just makes him more beloved as a real human being, who really understands where the American people need government help in their lives.

  • 1Brett1

    On the show this morning, when they played the soundbite from Romney’s fake “relief rally,” he said that the canned goods in front of him (the ones his campaign bought and distributed for the fake photo op, and, which, the Red Cross specifically asked people NOT to donate) “…might benefit one or two people.” I guess by the “one or two people,” he meant himself/Paul Ryan? 

    • Steve__T

       ROTFLOL thats class for you.

  • Mike_Card

    Paul Ryan won’t even deliver Wisconsin, altho he MIGHT keep his seat in the House.

    Stevie Wonder and The Boss support President Obama.  Meatloaf and Ready Teddy Nugent have been pushing for Willard.

    Read those polling numbers.

  • J__o__h__n

    I’m tired of the four year old whining.  If she is still getting the name wrong, she hasn’t heard enough coverage.  Future undecided voter!

  • 228929292AABBB

    Mr. Bloomberg thinks that because there has been no action on climate change during the Obama administration that means he’s the guy to carry that issue forward?  I guess that makes as much sense as President Obama getting the benefit from Mitt Romney’s low taxes…I don’t get why the failure of the man in charge is an endorsement of that man.

    • harverdphd

       Tell Bloomberg about China and India

  • 228929292AABBB

    Jack Beatty’s comments again stress the President’s words, not actions.  President Obama may speak fondly of the EPA but he, by executive authority, rolled back existing regulations on power plants.  Here’s the truth any Obama evaluation always comes to – his words are right, his actions are wrong.  He hasn’t the character to make anything he says he believes in happen.  Conservatives don’t all hate the environment, some of us see Texas making more wind energy than any other state while Massachusetts enters its 10th year of hearings over whether a couple windmills are okay a few miles off shore.  Liberals in general think well and do bad when they do at all.

  • JGC

    My son told me something he just saw on Reddit:

    On Sunday morning, remember to set your clock back one hour.  And on Tuesday morning, remember not to set your country back fifty years.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Ha ha, except thats overly optimistic; it’s more like 100 years for the economy, and maybe even 600 if you consider the religious right.

      • JGC

        Too true!

      • JGC

        Too true!

    • OnPointComments

      Set it back 50 years?  How about 4 years, then we wouldn’t have

       - more people in poverty than since 1959
      – 6 trillion more debt
      – chronic unemployment worse than the great depression
      – downgraded credit rating
      – record number of people on food stamps
      – not optimal murders and bumps in the road from the Benghazi, Libya terrorist attack and the coverup
      – the government taking over 20% of the economy with Obamacare
      – four years of trillion dollar deficits
      – the many Solyndras
      – four years of Biden gaffes
      – nonstop class warfare
      – record high gas prices
      – labor participation rate at a 31 year low
      – health insurance premiums $3,000 higher per family
      – hundreds killed in Fast & Furious gun running
      – a president who believes if you own a business, you didn’t build that
       
      and on and on.  But, alas, we can’t turn time back, but we can get rid of the failure in the White House.

      • hennorama

        I’m guessing you too may have Romnesia.  Perhaps you’ve forgotten who else was running for President in 2008 – Sen. John “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” McCain, who effectively lost the election on Sept, 15, 2008 when he said those words.

        Imagine how McCain would have handled the economy.  Here’s part of a post I made a couple months ago:

        “Apparently Republicans forget what was happening 4 years ago, when the US banking system was on the edge of collapse, threatening to take everything down with it.  Remember also and consider that the alternative to [Obama's actions] was John (“the fundamentals of our economy are strong”) McCain’s plan which proposed:

        -Buying up bad mortgages and other loans to sell at a profit “when the market improves”-Tax cuts for corporations and other businesses-Eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax costing about $60 billion/yr-Extending Bush II tax cuts-INCREASING troop levels in Iraq-Partial privatization of Social Security and Medicare-Eliminating “earmarks, waste and fraud” from the budget in order to pay for his tax cuts, using a line item veto-More nuclear power-More free trade agreements

        Note that McCain’s stimulus ideas were limited to cutting the corporate tax rate, allowing 100% expensing of business purchases of equipment and technology, and adding a tax credit of 10% of R&D wages.

        That was it.

        Oh, and if Romney had won the Rep. nomination in 2008, this was his stimulus proposal:

        -Reduce the lowest income tax bracket to 7.5%-Eliminate payroll taxes on workers age 65 and older-Eliminate savings, capital gains and dividend taxes for those earnining less that $200,000-Reduce the corporate tax rate to 20%-Allow 100% expensing of equipment for two years-Expand FHA loan limits to allow larger loans to homeowners

        In other words – tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts and bigger mortgages.

        Because that had worked so well under Bush II, right?”

        How soon they forget …

        • OnPointComments

          I’ve hired many people during my career.  When evaluation time rolls around, not once have I asked myself “Hmmm, I wonder if I had hired that other person if he would have done as poorly as the person I did hire.”  The emloyee’s record stands on its own.  If I asked the employee what steps he would take to rectify the mistakes of his tenure, and he told me that he would continue doing the same things, I’d send him packing.
           
          And if there were promises that the employee made to me that were entirely within his control, and he broke those promises, I wouldn’t even let him work out a two week notice.  A promise is a promise; he wouldn’t get to tell me after the fact that it wasn’t an important promise.  I’d replace him.

          • hennorama

            It’s OK that you may lack imagination and/or memory in this regard, but you did post “Set it back 50 years?  How about 4 years …” did you not?

            I merely thought back to Nov. 2008 and recalled the choices available at that time, then posted the facts.  I realize facts can be inconvenient at times, but those facts remain, unrefuted.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Bloomberg/Nagin 2016

  • Steve__T

    Discus

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Citro/1158042958 Paul Citro

    Why doesn’t On Point ever talk about 3rd party presidential candidates, some of which have qualified for federal funding? To say that they are irrelevant is to make a choice for voters that they should be making for themselves and is an injustice to them 

    • Patrick McCann

      They do. They did a show on gary johnson about a month ago.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        They also did a show on Jill Stein, I understand Paul’s point though. Until our sorry excuses for electoral, election, and campaign processes changes drastically a third party candidate will never be taken seriously.

    • ttajtt

      whom pays the bills.

  • 1Brett1

    Romney has refused to answer questions from children on Nickelodeon. He has refused to be interviewed and take the questions of young voters on MTV. Romney was so terrified of The View that he canceled and sent his wife in his place. He has turned down David Letterman, and every major news network including Fox News. Bill O’Reilly has been screaming at the top of his lungs trying to get an interview with Romney before election day, but the Romney campaign made it clear on October 23 that they were scheduling no more interviews. 

    However, this ban has also extended to the members of the press who are covering Romney everyday. The pool of reporters covering Romney ask questions each day, and the candidate pretends that he doesn’t hear them. This has gone on for the last 22 days.

    If he’s elected president, I suspect he’ll be doing a lot of pretending he’s not hearing people to whom he needs to respond… 

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Are you serious? MTV? Boxers or briefs?

      Obama IS still President and hasn’t had a full press conference in 7 months. Jay Carney hasn’t had a presser since October 12th. — as soon as the Libya story started unraveling. So much for transparency.

      • 1Brett1

        You really do suffer from a combination of lack of comprehension, selective hearing and cognitive dissonance. In the second paragraph, I started with the word “however.” Yes, the first paragraph started off with the trivial, but that wasn’t the point. 

        At best, your arguments are always a mindset of two wrongs make a right.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      He won’t be just pretending not to hear those in need, the man who knows all and listens to none is the Genuine Article.

  • JGC

    This (Sandy) is the tipping point where a majority of Americans will come to agreement that climate change is real, and the reason why will just be for debate on Sunday morning talk shows. But a majority will come to the side of demanding their governments have a plan for dealing with these climate change dilemmas. 

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Most people understand the difference between climate and weather cycles.  Even the warmist climate scientists are not tying Sandy to global warming.

      However, if you want to play around with global warming this is for you:

      http://www.thamesandkosmos.com/products/gw/gw.html

      ps – I hear they are planning to release a “Piltdown Man Kit” just in time for Christmas.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Someone was nice enough to compile a list of people who believe Sandy was caused by Global Warming and a list of those who don’t.  You can also add the Hurricane expert from NOAA that Tom had on Tuesday to the list that doesn’t believe Global Warming contributed to Sandy.

      You can look over the list and decide which group you want to be associated with.

       http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/30/reality-check-who-believes-hurricane-sandy-isis-not-caused-by-global-warming/

      • 1Brett1

        No, again, you hear something, misinterpret it to make it mean what you want it to, then use it as an argument against whatever it is you want it to be against. On Tuesday, Frank Marks of NOAA responded in agreement to the caller who railed against the notion that a single event can not prove global warming/climate change. One event doesn’t prove a thing, one way or another, which is different than someone saying with absolute assuredness that a storm was NOT caused by global warming.

        He went on to say that rising seas and warming sea temperatures made Sandy more extreme. He also said that the earth is experiencing rising seas and warming sea temperatures. 

        Mr. Marks is a scientist concerned with forecasting extreme weather events in the short-term. But go on and believe what you want. You seem to be convinced that you know there is no global warming/humans have no undesirable effect on weather patterns.

        You’re either intellectually dishonest or stupid to parse issues the way you do; I’ll admit, I can’t tell which in your case. So, sorry for accusing you of one, if you truly are the other.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           Actually it was Tom who was incredulous at Dr. Marks remarks and tried to put words in his mouth but Marks would have none of it. 

          • 1Brett1

            I’m worried for you, Worried. Delusion seems to be your default mode….Next you’ll be saying fictional characters, like, I don’t know, say, Ebenezer Scrooge and Tiny Tim, are voting for Mitt Romney! 

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             It was a metaphor in response to EN’s metaphor.  Duh!!!

          • 1Brett1

            um…I was using a device called humor. Do you need me to put  “joke” after certain comments…(come on, I’m settin’ ya up for a funny come back; you can do it, come on…Think, man, think)

            [joke]

  • Wm_James_from_Missouri

    This is the big story this week that nobody mentioned.

    http://www.kurzweilai.net/china-is-building-a-100-petaflops-supercomputerutm_source=KurzweilAI+Weekly+Newsletter+Plain+Text&utm_campaign=4cbcf3041f-UA-946742-1&utm_medium=email

    Why ? Because I believe that simulation of the human brain is not far off.

  • ttajtt

    what is not talk about is the way “this topic” will be next.   yada yada yada, blah blah blah, blab blab, yak die yak yak, bling bling bling, etc. etc etc. and not much we can do about it in the long run, do what we can.  

    a national vote to over turn.  remember computers don’t want to harm humans.   

  • JONBOSTON

    Another Friday , another ” Week in the News” program devoted largely to why Romney should not be elected president. NPR gets much criticism from Republicans and the right, and frankly this election season demonstrates why. If you want to know why Fox News is so popular, it is because it is one of the few news outlets that ever questions Obama and his policies and programs. Just consider the Benghazi terror attack. The mainstream media (most notably the NYT and NBC news) has largely ignored the event and failed  to investigate despite news reports that increasingly point to either gross incompetence and a failure of leadership by our so-called commander -in-chief or deliberate coverup . Better they protect our pretend president than destroy the narrative that Libya is an Obama foreign policy success . All this while an innocent filmmaker rots in Calif jail because of his unfortunate act of posting a video on You Tube. Where’s the ACLU and Hollywood outrage?

    Since On Point will not critically examine Obama’s record in advance of Tuesday , I will.  Obama has no idea on how to create private sector growth and increase middle class jobs while addressing this county’s long term national solvency issues. Another month’s jobs report, another indictment of Obama’s failed policies and presidency. Obama’s record of failure for the past 4 years: 8% unemployment and 15% real unemployment; reduced average family income from $55k to 50K; anemic GDP growth of 1.5-2%; record low % of American men working; $16 trillion national debt; $1.5trillion annual deficit; failed $800billion stimulus; 23million unemployed; 48 million on food stamps; record number people living in poverty, increased dependency on government; record number of people filing for social security disability , and I could go on. And so how would Obama address these failures in his next term –”more of the same , stay the course”….

    For all his invocations of hope and change, Obama has governed as the last president of the 20th century. He hasn’t reformed government, he has merely made it larger. His campaign reeks of intellectual and policy exhaustion. He released two weeks ago his purported second term agenda that had more glossy pictures of him than text, not surprising of our most narcissistic president. His campaign has been straight out of his slime merchants (Plouffe, Axelrod ,and Cutter)  handbook–divisive ,demagogic ,hyper-partisan, and a conscious effort to breed resentment by the less fortunate against the successful. Not to mention the Obama campaign accusing Romney of being a felon, a killer of steelworker’s wife suffering from cancer, tax evader, outsourcer to China, etc.  Never in my life has a president seeking re-election waged such a disgusting campaign.  All the while Obama has no second term agenda and no idea on how to help the middle class other than with empty promises and worthless speeches full of empty platitudes and nothing else. The welfare state model is failing in Greece , Spain and much of Western Europe, as well as here in California,  Illinois, and many blue states. Nevertheless, any Romney proposal to restrain the unprecedented levels of spending and debt is portrayed as unhinged radicalism and the end of the social safety net. What will end the safety net will be if we do nothing to solve the runaway spending.

    More than anything else, Obama has failed the test of presidential leadership. For him, every failure has an excuse or someone to blame. Yes he inherited a bad recession but the argument that “it’s all Bush’s fault” doesn’t hold up to history. In 2007, years after the Bush tax cuts, the budget deficit was $161billion. There is no plausible economic theory by which tax cuts caused the housing bubble and subsequent financial meltdown. And the recession ended in June 2009, before any of his policies had a chance to take effect. If this country is to get back on its feet , we need better leadership than we’ve gotten from this failed pretend president who prefers the photo ops and trappings of office to the hard part of governing and bringing this country together. Great presidents make no excuses and demand results. They leave the country better off than they found it. They enhance respect for the office of the presidency. America deserves better than Barack Obama.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      You wrote: “Another Friday , another ” Week in the News” program devoted largely to why Romney should not be elected president. NPR gets much criticism from Republicans and the right, and frankly this election season demonstrates why.”

      Still whining about the year long Romney Marketing Campaign you view as an attack I see. I think the problem here is perspective, here’s a little from a couple of other commentators:

      Helen Weatherall wrote: “Tom is so determined to appear fair and balanced that he changes the message of some of his callers. When a gentleman called to say that Romney can’t have it both ways in terms of news on job creation Tom swamped the caller’s point by asking “but are you satisfied with Obama’s progress on job creations? I found this very irritating. The caller’s point ought to be given more respect.”

      and

      katherinespoint wrote: “Tom Ashbrook I am surprised at you!  You are clearing indicating a bias towards romney and that simply shocks me. How you can gloss over so many lies from romney and downplay positive news supporting obama’s path saddens me.  Not to realize that it is a slow climb up and out and support that and acknowledge that integrety for this nation IS the best path, of which romney has none, is remarkable”

      Same horse, different colors. Perspective.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         If you don’t see the bias in this show you are blind.  Tom stopped having a token conservative pundit on his Friday panel a few months ago.

        When was the last Friday news roundup to even mention Libya despite the drip, drip, drip of leaks.

        Instead, half of last weeks show was devoted to twisting the comments of an Indiana senate candidate.

      • JONBOSTON

        You can’t be serious. The fact that you remember Tom’s comment (and so do I) is that it stood out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of the program. As an example–much focus by Tom and Jack on Romney’s so-called flip flops. But what about Obama? On same sex marriage –he’s been for , against , and now for it; or Bush’s counter terrorism program involving the Patriot act, rendition, Guantanamo,etc. –previously against, now for; or single payer universal health–previously for, now against; or the health insurance mandate–previously against ,now for; or raising the national debt ceiling–previously against , now for; or public financing of campaigns–previously in favor , now against; or raising taxes on high earners–previously against, now for;  or transparency in govt.–previously for, now it’s a joke– witness Benghazi , lobbying , etc. Have you ever heard any discussion by Tom or Jack about any of these flip flops? No –because it doesn’t fit the  Democrat narrative. Like you said –it all depends on one’s perspective..

        Finally I agree with Worried’s comment that it’s been some time since a token conservative has served on the panel. It’s gotten so bad that I’m happy when a straight shooter like Major Garrett is on the panel. [Incidentally , Garrett used to be the Fox News white house correspondent. ] As Worried said — no discussion about Benghazi but plenty in the past two shows about Mitt’s binders and Mourdach’s extreme abortion comments in order to enhance the war on women bogus narrative.

  • gslouch

    The superstorm and the people affected is certainly the most important issue in our country this week, but just a last thought as election day approaches.  I’m sure everyone has made up their mind by now and Democrats are not going to change Republicans minds and visa-versa.   Our country will survive, whoever wins the election, as it always has.  I personally will put my trust in president Obama, especailly as I listened closely to the debates as Romney consistently dodged questions cleverly.  Is Romney really going to end the war in Afghanistan?  Is medicare truly going to be a voucher program and available for those under 54?  Will there again be an attempt to privatize SS(nonsensical)?    He is a polished speaker, but his basket is empty.   Vote carefully!
                

  • OnPointComments

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    http://www.hulu.com/watch/409925

  • TomK_in_Boston

    More bad news for Lord R:

    Geez, it’s all been downhill since the first debate. Even the righty corporate media is finally calling him on his dishonest ads, Sandy has reminded everyone of his statements that disaster relief should be privatized and the house TeaOP’s heartless demands of “offsets”, Christie has had a love-fest with the President, they’re doing their best to hide Ryan but he keeps peeping his class warfare scripts, and the economy is strengthening.

    One thing he got away with was not releasing his taxes. Everyone else does 10 yrs, but no, Lord R gets a special deal. Why did the media drop the ball on that one? Anyway, looks like there’s a “November surprise” on the tax front re his profiting from the auto bailout. No wonder he won’t come clean on his taxes! Seems he hid some profits under his wife’s name, too. Such a disgusting excuse for a human being. 

    I hope this shows up in some last minute ads. Also I wonder, why don’t they replay Rick Perry’s “When Bane Capital Came to Town”?

    Go away, Lord R, stay out of public life, and take “Nasty Ken Doll” Brown with you.

    Advisory: UAW files ethics charge on Romney auto bail-out profiteeringWednesday, October 31, 2012

    Unions, Good Government Groups to File Ethics Complaint Against Romney For Failing To Disclose His Big Auto Rescue Profit

    Groups Urge Office of Government Ethics to Make Romney Disclose or Divest

    WASHINGTON – A coalition of community, labor and good-government organizations is calling on the U.S. Office of Government Ethics to investigate GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney for noncompliance with the Ethics in Government Act and compel him to either disclose his investments or divest them.

    “The American people have a right to know about Gov. Romney’s potential conflicts of interest, such as the profits his family made from the auto rescue,” said UAW President Bob King. “It’s time for Gov. Romney to disclose or divest.”

    In a Nation magazine cover story, investigative reporter Greg Palast reported that the Romney family personally profited at least $15.3 million from the auto loans of 2009 through his investment in the Delphi Corp. auto parts company. Yet Romney’s June 1, 2012, Public Financial Disclosure Report to the Office of Government Ethics did not reveal this windfall because he did not disclose the underlying holdings of his private equity and limited partnership funds.

    “While Romney was opposing the rescue of one of the nation’s most important manufacturing sectors, he was building his fortunes with his Delphi investor group, making his fortunes off the misfortunes of others,” King added.

    • hennorama

      This is no surprise, really, since as Mr. Romney often says, he’s “a car guy.”  He’ll no doubt hide behind the “my investments are in a blind trust and I have no control over them” argument, which he has been using since 2003.

      One minor problem with using this argument is that Mr. Romney has personally rebutted it in the past.

      When he ran against Sen. Edward Kennedy in 1994, Romney spoke critically of Kennedy’s claim that he had no control over his investments.  “The blind trust is an age-old ruse if you will, which is to say you can always tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do.  You give the blind trust rules…”

      Poor Mr. Romney.  He can’t even comply with his own words, no matter how hard or how often he tries.

      • OnPointComments

        Some context might be helpful on this:  

        From Boston.com:

        “During that campaign, Romney objected to Kennedy’s blind trust’s purchase in 1981 of a property in Washington D.C., which the trust then leased to federal tenants. Romney called it “a conflict of interest, pure and simple” and rejected Kennedy’s argument that he knew nothing about the trust’s investments.  

        “The blind trust is an age-old ruse,” Romney told the Boston Globe in October of that year. “You give a blind trust rules. You can say to a blind trust, don’t invest in properties which would be a conflict of interest or where the seller might think they’re going to get an advantage from me.”

        I suppose it’s merely concidental that when the liberal websites refer to this quote they always omit the last sentence.  

        Do you think Senator Kennedy might be perceived as being able to influence federal tenants? Of course he would.  

        When Romney was governor, he made a rule for his blind trust to not make investments which would be perceived as a conflict of interest, so the trust did not invest in Massachusetts municipal bonds.  

        If Romney made a profit on the auto bailout, how was he able to influence the process that resulted in the bailout?  Where was the conflict of interest?

        • hennorama

          To begin with, I never said there was any conflict of interest. I merely posited what Mr. Romney’s defense to these charges would likely be – the “blind trust” argument. As I said, Mr. Romney refuted the “blind trust” argument in the past, which you quite ably confirmed and expanded upon.

          Well done.

          • OnPointComments

            Romney did not refute the blind trust arrangement; he clarified that even a blind trust can have rules.  He refuted Ted Kennedy’s claim that there was nothing Kennedy could have done to prevent an investment that clearly would have been a conflict of interest if it had been made outside of the blind trust.  I’ve seen many blind trusts that contain caveats against investing in liquor companies, tobacco companies, high tech companies, or foreign companies, for example, or specify that the investments can only be US Treasury bonds or blue chip stocks; there’s nothing wrong or even perceivably wrong with giving guidelines to the trust.  I certainly don’t have a problem with a trust containing a conflict of interest clause (in fact I’d recommend it if I were a politician), or an expectation that Romney’s trust should have contained a clause prohibiting investment in auto industries.  Do you?

          • hennorama

            Upon further reflection, I find the use of the words “Some context might be helpful on this” to be comically ironic and hypocritical in the extreme coming from any supporter of the “You didn’t build that” crowd, whose entire argument rests of the use of Pres. Obama’s words taken completely out of context.

            Thank you for you responses, as it has been amusing to spar with you. I do however yield to your superior experience in the area of “blind” trusts, and certainly would and do expect any candidate for political office to have an anti-conflict of interest clause in any such “blind” trust they may enter into.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        Right. He has no responsibility for his investments, just like he has no responsibility for what Bane Capital does after some hypothetical day of departure. He created the monster, he created the model in which Bane extracts such enormous fees from the target company that Bane profits even if the company dies, and he was the sole shareholder, but he has no responsibility. I’m going to be so happy when he goes away.

    • JONBOSTON

      Yours is a cartoon description of the “evil robber Romney”. You present a grossly distorted and inaccurate portrayal of the Delphi situation. I know nothing about Romney’s investments in Delphi and it wouldn’t matter to me if I did. But I do have personal knowledge of the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies which were nothing but handouts to the UAW at the expense of secured creditors and  secured bondholders. And never mentioned is the fact that many of those bondholders were public union pension funds whose bond investments were wiped out. In the case of Chrysler, it was the Indiana state teacher and police pension funds that challenged the payoff to the UAW all the way to the US Supreme court which declined to hear their appeal. So the filing of this assinine complaint is nothing but a political thank you by the UAW to help our pretend president in Ohio. Delphi was spun off by GM with massive deadweight labor contracts and huge legacy costs. With the exception of its captive customer GM, Delphi’s huge costs made it non-competitive and unable to compete for new customers. It was a bankruptcy waiting to happen with a balance sheet that no investor was willing to touch. What “useful idiot groups” like those behind the filing don’t mention is that absent money from various sources of investment capital, companies like Delphi would have been liquidated and not reorganized. And liquidation would have meant 100% of all employees would have been out on the street. The fact that investors were willing to step in when no one else wanted to touch Delphi and made a profit is how the capitalist system works…

      Winston Churchill once said , “The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter”. If he were alive today and listening to the appeal made by Obama to his core group of supporters, he’d probably say the same thing today.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        I posted a news release, I didn’t write it, so direct your claims of distortion elsewhere.

        Regardless of this particular incident, sorry, Lord R is an “evil robber baron”. It’s absurd that a financial con man is a considered a serious candidate in a nation devastated by the shenanigans of the financial sector. 

        I agree with your Churchill quote: about half the voters are going to vote for Romney, when all he will do is accelerate the redistribution of their wealth and income to people like him. Seniors are going to vote for a VP who wants to turn medicare into a Groupon! A party screaming about the deficit puts tax cuts at the top front and center, and the half the average voters swallow it. Democracy, bah!

        • JONBOSTON

          If you take no responsibility for the distorted message in the news release, then why reference such garbage? I guess our pretend president sets a good example when it comes to shirking any personal responsibility and Obama’s slime campaign sounds like something you’d admire.

          So tell me–is it better for a failing company to liquidate, close its doors and lay off everyone rather than source desperately needed capital from some “vulture capitalist” willing to take a risk and maybe make a profit?  If you disagree, then what? For a failing company like Delphi, that was its alternative.

          Your constant refrain that income is being redistributed from the poor to the rich is laughable. Money, like gravity, flows down. We have a steeply progressive federal income tax with nearly half of all people paying nothing. Other than a good rallying cry to those resentful of the successful, it makes zero sense. And spare me any mention of the payroll tax. Simpson Bowles and virtually every credible economist (other than a not credible Krugman) argues we need a broader base of taxpayers and lower marginal rates. 

          Finally I don’t get your last point that I believe “whatever benefits the financial sector is good” workers be damned. Not so.  I could care less about the financial sector other than wanting it to function properly since capital is the lifeblood of our economic system. The GM and Chrysler cram down bankruptcies were unique in that a class of unsecured creditors (ie the UAW) received a better deal than secured creditors and secured bondholders (some of it union pension funds), in addition to other unsecured creditors. It set a very bad precedent that if done again would ultimately hurt many more workers employed by desperate companies in need of unavailable capital to avoid liquidation. What then?

        • JONBOSTON

          By the way, you’re very good at making sarcastic comments about policies you don’t like. The only problem, like most sarcasm, is that what you say grossly distorts the truth. Your comment about Ryan’s medicare proposal omits some convenient facts, namely that anyone under 55 gets to choose either medicare as it then exists or the so-called voucher (I like your groupon reference) or premium support program. I believe the private insurance coverage is supposed to mirror the medicare coverage. You also don’t mention that his medicare proposal was developed with Democratic Senator Wyden from Oregon.

  • ExcellentNews

    The caller at 43:00 said it all so well! Thank you for your service in Iraq, Sir, and thank you for calling the candidates for what they are.

  • TomK_in_Boston
  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Former aid to Hillary Clinton endorses Romney:

    “For most of my life, I’ve been an active Democrat. I am proud to have
    worked for President Bill Clinton and then-Senator Hillary Clinton, and,
    during that time, I saw firsthand what can be accomplished by strong,
    bipartisan leadership. I know what it means to work across the aisle on
    issues that are important to the American people. And that’s why I am
    supporting Mitt Romney. Governor Romney has a plan to restore the
    prosperity this country deserves and expects. He will work with people
    of good will no matter what their party, and he will pursue the policies
    that are in the best interest of our country, no matter who proposes
    them. That’s what President Obama promised to do four years ago. But
    like so many of his promises, bipartisan cooperation is just another one
    he has broken. We can’t have four more years of failed policies and two
    parties that can’t work together. We need the change Mitt Romney is
    offering.”  Gigi Georges

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/11/former-hillary-aide-backs-romney-148251.html

    • ExcellentNews

      Ebenezer SCROOGE also endorses Romney!!! Although after Christmas, he will regret it and change his support to Obama…

      In a firmer show of support, the Chinese Communist Party unanimously supports Romney, for playing such a pioneering role in American job outsourcing…

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        Actually Castro, Putin and Chavez endorsed Obama.  Polls show the Chinese also support Obama.

        Scrooge AND Tiny Tim support Romney and they should since Romney represents restoration of prosperity and jobs growth for our great nation.

        • hennorama

          Dickens indicated that Tiny Tim will die unless he receives treatment, which his family cannot afford due to Scrooge’s miserliness.

          Of course, some Republicans seem to think that would be just dandy, as they clearly demonstrated during a Republican “debate” in Sept. 2011.  When Wolf Blitzer asked Rep. Ron Paul whether “society should just let him (a hypothetical uninsured man) die,” multiple audience members shouted “YEAH!” and there was applause as well.

          Tiny Tim’s medical care would be covered by Medicaid if he lived in the U.S. today, due to his family’s indigence.  Unfortunately for Tiny Tim, Mr. Romney and his running mate want to drastically cut Medicaid spending, and send the entire program to the states.

          If this happened, and the Cratchit family lived in a state that restricted eligibility, they may not even be eligible for Medicaid. 

          Say Sayonara, Tiny Tim.
          See:http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/10/romney-ryan-medicaid

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             I can’t constrain my disappointment.  You normally don’t post shallow and simplistic arguments.

            Remember, under Romney/Ryan so many fewer citizens will need medicaid because they’ll have good jobs.  

          • hennorama

            Thank you for your response.  I must admit I am most consistently amused by our exchanges, Worried.  You have a way of cracking me up that I appreciate.

            Indeed my extension of the Scrooge/Tiny Tim metaphor was simplistic, yet I am not in the least chagrined by its simplicity nor your faint praise.  This extension of the metaphor remains apt as to Messrs. Romney & Ryan’s stated desires about programs that impact the least among us, and their apparent callous disregard for the potential consequences of same.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Yes, my comment was flippant and unwarranted.  But it was driven by my appreciation of the detail and research you put into most of your comments.  It is always a pleasure.

            Thank God this will be over in 3 days. 

            If Obama wins let’s hope Tiny Tim isn’t saddled with overwhelming debt and if Romney wins let’s hope he gets the care he deserves.

          • hennorama

            No worries, Worried.  I always take what you type with massive grains of salt.  (I prefer the stuff used to melt ice on sidewalks).

            As to your sentimental remarks – much respect, a tip o’ the hat, nod of the head, and “ditto!” rightbackatcha.

            Of course, this is really just the ending of the beginning.  At least the incessant political commercials will cease, much to the dismay of the only guaranteed winners in this campaign – media companies.

        • JGC

          Canadians like Obama, too.  The editor of Canadian Business also endorsed Obama this week. It is widely believed here, no matter who gets elected on Tuesday, the Keystone Pipeline is a done deal. And given that, they prefer Obama.   

           

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             So you are saying Canadians believe Obama is a hypocrite?   I guess after his NAFTA dealings in the primary vs. Hillary we shouldn’t be surprised.  :)

          • JGC

            Hypocrite or practical man? No answer to that at the moment. 

            Vote Hillary Clinton 2016.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             I understand it is just politics.  It is too bad since we could use the jobs now.

          • JGC

            Then here is a headline to warm your heart (from Globe and Mail, today):  “TransCanada pipes PA gas to Ontario.  Reversal of pipeline, which displaces gas supply from Alberta, stands to weaken cross-Canada energy ties – For the first time some of the gas flowing into the Golden Horseshoe came from Pennsylvania…”This of course is all happening under the existing Obama and Harper administrations.

  • ExcellentNews

    It is ironic that a weather event like Sandy, which has no factual connection to climate change, is focusing the debate on fossil fuels. Storms – no matter how vast – are stochastic events, and there is not enough data to link Sandy to climate change.

    On the other hand, make no mistake: Man-made global warming is REAL. There is NO scientific controversy about the data or its implications, which are DIRE.

    COAL is the primary contributor to global warming emissions. If coal use grows as projected for another century or two, we seriously run the risk of repeating the Permian-Triassic extinction. To learn more about this E.L.E. you can just look it up on Wikipedia or any historical geology textbook.

    Facing such a threat, you would think that we would unite and look for ways to create a sustainable and renewable energy infrastructure. We would, if it was not for a handful of global coal billionaires…

     

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Replace coal with nuclear?  The only scalable baseline power generation technology available today.

      This includes new SMRs and thorium based LFTR to address waste issues.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Nate Silver runs an election blog at the NYTimes.

    He takes weighted averages of recent polls and calculates the probability of victory.  His current forecast gives President Obama a 84% chance of winning.

    IF Obama doesn’t end up winning he will have some very disappointed fans.  He has an almost cult like following and it is clear that many of his supporters misunderstand the meaning of his forecast.

    Silver has a background in analyzing baseball stats.  For instance, at the end of 2011 he ‘forecast’ with 80% probability that Derek Jeter was washed up.  Jeter led MLB in hits in 2012.
     
    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/nov-2-for-romney-to-win-state-polls-must-be-statistically-biased/

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      You, with your biases and blind spots, or Nate (Just the Numbers) Silver.

      Who to believe. Whooooooooo to believe?

      I mean, every game in a casino favors the house, statistically, but
      sometimes some people walk out of a casino with more than they walked in
      with. That doesn’t mean that the odds don’t favor the house.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         I’m confused.  “Who are we going to believe?”

        I never offered an alternative to Silver’s analysis and I never said he was incorrect.

        So who has the bias and blind spot?  You clearly saw something in my post that wasn’t there.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      The President has an almost cult like following???

      Please put the crack pipe down worried and stop ingesting all those bath salts. There’s already plenty of brain dead zombies roaming our countryside, why so anxious to join them? Funny how someone who considered Mormonism to be basically a cult is now calling any who support President Obama cultists.
      Funny, definitely not surprising though.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        I wasn’t referring the President but Nate Silver that has a cult like following.

        I was genuinely curious if folks here are following Nate Silver and what they thought.

    • Mike_Card

      Other than your demonstration that you have no understanding of the discipline of statistical analysis, is there a point?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         OK.  What did I get wrong wise guy?

  • ttajtt

    it won’t matter whom the weenier is.
      its how one face wants to pay taxes.P.O.A. & tax brakes, dORn,  self private tax brakes.Ez – computer raised genration stream.hang up the holsters is to be less government, GI’s or private security needs reasons for take over or more for tech pay.  is that double jeopardy. cable was comical free and just as good via the tech. 4-5 terms is long enough, there is other places.

    • OnPointComments

      I’m sure Disqus must have misposted ttajtt’s comment, and the comment was intended to be included on the October 31st program for legalizing marijuana.

      • hennorama

        ttajtt’s remarks are indeed challenging, if one may be so understated.  Still trying to decipher “remember computers don’t want to harm humans.”  Although the meaning of all the words contained therein are known, the meaning and/or relevance of that particular sequence remains a mystery.

        A search for a ttajtt-to-English translator has been unsuccessful as well.

        Keep trying ttajtt.  We may yet understand you one day soon.  I for one am rooting for ya.

        • JGC

          I asked ttajtt a few days ago if he/she was a poet or stream-of consciousness thinker, and the reply was to be characterized as a TBI- traumatic brain injury.  Anyway, an interesting perspective on life’s events, and a challenge for me to connect the dots that are laid out so perfectly for all to see, if only they can see…

          • ttajtt

            you for got the i in dots.
            thank you, 

            a service connected, dec. “30″ year closed head organic brain syndome leading to a NDE.  
            long term now, same age or older as my doctors (I-52). 1st time dialoging like this. 22 yrs. old and lost like 80% of memory. comma 10 days…. just a short hand full of seconds.  but it did happened.  

            its this PTSD brain injury type “symptoms” that is asked to welcome home the Vets, or others alike with psychical hurts . 

            these head injuries or more recordable today via localization – remember it – old or to new – is physical doing it helps me, in “it” – i njured t reatment.  

            i think it works in the injury abstract out of box thinking thoughts by way of the internal scare path blockage.  

            then its the time place in what doing last, before the comma (comfort zone) sleep. 

            is where i should be “remembering”  to a-waking up.  

            Spiritual like feelings – are different, smell, ripple – vib like.  no witch craft or henry potter stuff.  people deeper then me, the ones scare me.    a Quantum Physic area?  the last 5 years via 25th anniversary, reminded me i am a freak per say.

          • hennorama

            Kudos to you ttajtt, and thank you for your service.  My condolences as to your injury and your struggles.

            Sounds to me like you’re more of a heroic pioneer than “a freak per say.”  When you were injured 30 years ago, few in the general public knew anything about OBS or TBI. 

            Unfortunately, TBI is now a familiar term to most Americans.  Many service members have been affected by these Traumatic Brain Injuries due to the increased use of IEDs in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

            The more you post, the better we understand you.  Your thoughts just take different internal paths before they come out via your fingers.  They have to navigate around those scarred internal blockages, and get a bit scrambled before they come back together.
            The way I visualize it, your ideas are like a group of recruits lined up in order at the start of an obstacle course.  The drill sergeant yells “GO!” and they all take off – running, jumping, climbing and crawling to the finish line.  They come out in a different order at the end, due to the obstacles they’ve encountered.

            Hang in there – I’m rooting for ya!

            To learn more about
            OBS:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002374/

      • JGC

        Nice try. Har-de-har-har, as they would say in a Chuck Jones cartoon.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        That’s nothing, I saw a comment that suggested  “evil robber baron Romney” was not an accurate description!!! Pass the bong, dude.

  • JGC

    Superstorm Sandy has presented the U.S. with the massive infrastructure project that is required to set the economy back on its growth curve.  But who will take advantage of all the scope it offers: an Obama administration or a Romney administration?  In our heart of hearts, we all know the answer to that.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Exactly. Imagine if we upgraded the 50-100 yr old stuff in the NY subway to something comparable to what they have in asia or europe, upgraded the rail lines and tunnels comparably, etc. It would be a great thing for the USA, now and decades down the road, and it would fire up the economy. Unfortunately, neither candidate will do it, bowing down to the false deficit god. A few hundred billions here would work wonders but all the pols will express horror about that kind of spending on the USA, while they love it when it’s for a war in whogivesadamistan.

      • JGC

        I want to believe one of the candidates would sign on, or maybe even both, if Mitt is in his Moderate Mitt iteration. Even Christie was demanding more help for the rail lines (even though he gave thumbs down to the tunnel project three years ago).  

        • TomK_in_Boston

          OK, let’s hope!

          What drives me crazy is that the right attacks infrastructure spending even tho we’re still using and benefiting from the public projects from as far back as the 1930s.  80 years of value added is a rather big payoff.

          • JGC

            And how old is the NYC subway system? Did I read over a 100 years old? Jeez Louise, talk about value for the money.

          • Mike_Card

            Yes.  That insistent drumbeat about how “gummint never created a job,” it only gets in the way of the real “job creators.”

  • hennorama

    (With apologies in advance, I beg your indulgence)

    According to the experts, it all comes down to a few battleground states – Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Colorada, Iowa and New Hampshire.  Some think there are more states involved, but virtually all agree that these 7 are involved.

    To amuse myself and in an effort to unearth hidden truths, I threw the postal abbreviations of all 7 states (FL OH VA WI CO IA NH) into the hopper of an anagram generator.

    Here are a few select results, with added punctuation and explanation.

    How? Half, via coin. (Said in reply to “How did you win?’)
    Whoa, oh civil fan. (Post-election rioters’ ironic chant)
    Civil now, oaf. Hah! (Victor’s remark to the vanquished)
    If Lo Win: Havoc, Ha! (Comment predicting a close election’s aftermath)
    Havoc? Hi, law info. (Wry comment about post-election legal challenges)
    China vow FAIL – Oh! (Romney, after he loses)
    How, CHI fan?  Voila! (Obama, after he wins)

    For further amusement:http://wordsmith.org/anagram/index.html

  • OnPointComments

    The worst outcome will be if something causes this election to be contested.  Both sides are girded with lawyers at the ready, and I’ve read stories of alleged voting irregularities on both sides.  George Will had a good opening sentence in his column of 11/3/2012:  “What another lexicographer, Samuel Johnson, said of Milton’s “Paradise Lost,” can be said of this campaign: No one ever wished it longer.”

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       With you — 100%!!!

  • StilllHere

    Broken promises and our country worse off, time to try something new again.

    • Gregg Smith

      There is so much more, books could be written. But that’s the bottom line.

  • ttajtt

    my Mothers people called it “Fork Tongue Talk”.  like a ship steers where one goes.  

  • Gregg Smith

    I don’t get Friday’s show until Sunday here. This one was pretty bad. The global warming thing got way too much attention. It’s really silly.

    What’s the fuss about the Romney ad? It was true. Chrysler is going to build some jeeps in China. Romney didn’t say they were closing shop and moving to China but that’s what liberals heard. It doesn’t surprise me. If you tell a liberal you oppose tax hikes they hear. “I want a tax cut”. If you advocate smaller government they hear, “I want to fill potholes myself”. If Cheney says Iraq supports terrorist they hear, “Iraq was involved with 9/11″. If you oppose taxes funding contraception they hear, “I want back alley abortions”. And on and on, it’s crazy.

    And then when Benghazi came up Ms. Talev gave Obama a pass and spent 5 minutes not answering Tom’s question.

    • JONBOSTON

      you should read my post from yesterday morning.  Each week’s program is getting harder to stomach if you’re looking for evenhanded coverage..  What is really hard to take is NPR’s coverage of the campaign. Scott Horsley covers Obama and gives a straight report. Ari Shapiro covers Romney and is awful. I still recall his outrageous coverage of Bush’s anti-terror program–he barely contained himself from calling Bush a criminal.

      • Gregg Smith

        I never miss your weekly tomes, nice work. I don’t know about you but I would go insane if I believed the mindset of On Point (and particularly this blog) was the mindset of America. 

        • JONBOSTON

          I think you’re right about America but we’ll know more on Tuesday. I only hope that no matter who wins, that we not end up in some prolongued legal battle contesting the election results. It would be bad for America and just further the deep divide in this country that,in my opinion, has been made far worse because of our hyper-partisan pretend president. So much for bringing this country together.

    • JGC

      Global warming thing…your perspective. But is there a climate change?   A very different perspective.

      Fuss about Romney ad moving American jobs to China.  It was not true. Romney can shade his speech any which way, and he will, because he is Willard Play with the Truthiness Mitt Romney,  he is a Pants On Fire Liar, and how we could entertain anyone with his level of liardom to conduct the business of our country, I do not know.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        The ad never says they are moving jobs to China.  Even the faux fact checkers say the ad was technically correct but then they resort to false Obama talking points to give a ‘pants on fire’ label.

        Funny, the faux fact checkers don’t hammer Obama on his demostrably false auto ads he has been running in Ohio for 6 months.

        Senator Rob Portman was on CNN today and explained the situation very well.

        1) Fiat currently exports Jeeps to China – 25% of Jeeps produced in Ohio are currently exported
        2) Fiat is building a factory IN China
        3) Once complete Fiat will stop exporting US Jeeps to China and perhaps elsewhere.
        4) Fiat has already announced a new Jeep factory for Italy for export TO North America

        The key question is why can’t Fiat expand US capacity to increase US exports.

        This is the first time in history I have seen the UAW champion an auto company expanding capacity in China or ANY foreign country.

        Contrast this to a couple years ago when labor (and Obama) resisted Boeing expanding capacity in  South Carolina.  There was outrage.

  • Gregg Smith

    Things are awful in Staten Island. FEMA is NOT doing a “heck of a job”. Obama gets a pass. 

    • Mike_Card

      FEMA seems to do what they can, regardless of their politically-appointed masters; I can’t ascribe evil intentions to the civil servants, tho I guess some do.  It’s hard to model what a “heck of a job” would look like.

      Wouldn’t most reasonable observers agree that FEMA’s mission is better pursued at the national level?  i.e., not by the states?  Would it help if there were a jurisdictional shitstorm between New Jersey and New York festering that had no arbiter like FEMA?

      I’d bet that the Jersey shore/Staten Island/lower Manhattan/Long Island people don’t really care who signs the paychecks of the people who are providing relief.

      • Gregg Smith

        My comment is basically about the press. I agree that the President isn’t the problem, it’s bureaucracy. But he supports bureaucracy. Equipment trucks and electricians coming from Alabama were turned away because they are not union workers. The red tape is ridiculous.

        • JGC

          Statement from IBEW International President Ed Hill on Hurricane Sandy Clean-Up (2 November):

          “…It is the policy of this union and the companies we represent to welcome assistance during major natural disasters regardless of union status.  There have been reports that a nonunion crew was turned away from work in New Jersey.  At this stage it is not clear who is alleged to have turned the crew away and the company that employs the affected workers has denied the claim. ..In times of crisis all help is welcome and we pull together with everyone to meet the needs of the public.  We have communicated this to the office of NJ Governor Christie as well…”

          • Gregg Smith

            Christie explained it but the fact remains they were turned away.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NAQ3DAWTSNDWDUON7H2ZEBWLFA Robert

    Romney campaign kinda lost momentum in the last 3 weeks.

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