What Democrats Want

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September 5, 2012 at 7:00 PM

What Democrats Want

Progressives and Democratic centrists on what they want from Obama now.

Members of Progressive Change Campaign Committee upset over potential cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security walks to President Obama’s campaign headquarters to deliver 200,000 signatures from people who are refusing to donate or volunteer for his re-election campaign if Obama cuts entitlement programs, Friday, July. 15, 2011 in Chicago. (AP)

Former president Bill Clinton, the star speaker at the Democrats’ big shindig in Charlotte tonight. He’s here to raise the roof for Barack Obama, lend his unique appeal. Obama’s got his own star power, but he can use

Clinton’s too. It’s neck and neck out there. Clinton was the great centrist. Obama’s been the great… well, it depends who you ask. Post-partisan pragmatist? Wall Street-whacking populist? On the Democratic party’s right, or left, or center?

This hour, On Point: at their convention in Charlotte, Democrats talk about their own political stripes now.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Gerald Seib, assistant managing editor and executive Washington editor of The Wall Street Journal.

Joan Walsh, editor-at-large at Salon.com.

David Corn, Washington, D.C. bureau chief for Mother Jones.

Simon Rosenberg, president of the New Democrat Network.

From Tom’s Reading List

The Nation “True reformers—like Republican Teddy Roosevelt and Democrat Franklin Roosevelt—were believers in the American experiment. But they knew that it was an experiment; to function properly it needed to adjust at critical junctures, to improve and to repair so that a broken status quo did not become the norm.”

BeyondChron “Many Democrats have their own criticisms of Obama, but still get angry when the president’s actions are lied about. And they are angry over the GOP’s mean spirited attacks on the progressive parts of the president’s agenda.”

Minneapolis Star Tribune “They see elements of the far left dispirited, including the anti-capitalist Occupy Wall Street crowd whose remnants have been rallying in Charlotte. At a campaign kickoff in May, they remind people, Obama failed to fill Ohio State University’s 18,000 seat basketball arena.”

http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-T-Lynch/1442663029 Patrick T Lynch

that he apologize for appointing head of Monsanto to FDA and immediately rescinds the decision as well as appointing all new economic and fiscal cabinet after firing Geitner, Paulson, and all the Bush era cronies from Goldman Sachs
- http://twitter.com/ipswichjonesy jonesp
  
  The dirty secret is that he has to play ball with the big banks and Wall St. or Americans and their saving plans and pensions go under. I agree the FDA needs a new chief… one who will fight the corporate takeover of our food supply.
2Gary2

I want Obama to actually be a progressive instead of the moderate republican that he has been since he was elected.

He needs to address the wealth and income inequality by helping to strengthening unions and passing the employee free trade act. corporations are sitting on record profits and they can pay their workers more. No more subsidizing these low pay corporations like wal mart by making up in safety net benefits what they could be paying their employees in wages. No more corporate welfare.
- http://twitter.com/ipswichjonesy jonesp
  
  We need a Democratic House and Senate to really move ahead with your agenda… Let’s talk more about those races.
  - 2Gary2
    
    We DID have a dem majority in all chambers and a filibuster proof majority for a while, wall street was on its knees and still nothing was done.
    
    Obama blew a huge opportunity and I mean he blew it. First thing he did was hire wall street insiders for cabinet. If he did not address this then what makes you think he will now?
    
    As much as Obama is better than mittens that is a pretty low bar to get over.
    
    Bernie Sanders would be a MUCH better president.
    
    I busted my but for Obama in 2008 and I am not busting my but ever again for any of these folks.
Shag_Wevera

1. Higher taxes, especially on top earners and capital gains.

2. Less militarism, fewer wars, smaller pentagon,

3. Strong social safety net.

4. Mandate growth of solar and wind power.

5. Tight regulation on banking and finance.

6. Investment at home, infrastructure and human capital.
- Mouse_2012
  
  None are going to happen with maybe the exception of 6
  
  1. the bush tax cuts are going to be extended obama will cowtoe to the republicans
  
  2. Congress has passed a bill that brings the U.S. closer to war(nearly all democrats voted for it)
  
  3. Obama and the Democrats are already stated it needs to change
  
  4. With outsourcing the mandate in meaningless since the U.S. government will invest and than the company can than outsource to China while still receiving subsidies
  
  5. Just look at Dodd/Frank complete and nearly worthless regulations that the republicans and some democrats are already ready to repel or weaken even more
  
  6. Could happen but than again if it’s not Wall Street republicans will try to block it as much as possible
  - Shag_Wevera
    
    I actually agree with several of your points. Just my own personal wish list.
    - Mouse_2012
      
      I agree with much of your wish list sadly the reality are going to make it extremely hard to accomplish
- http://twitter.com/ipswichjonesy jonesp
  
  Shag… I agree with your list and let’s identify investment in human capital as EDUCATION-K through Higher Ed.
- William
  
  Why raise capital gains taxes? Even Obama said the government takes in more money with lower cap. gain taxes.
  - Shag_Wevera
    
    I’ve never been fond of money made from doing nothing. I know the counterpoint is “they took a risk”, but I’d still like to see it taxed more. I have heard the argument about revenue vs capital gains taxation. I’m just not sure I believe it.
    - William
      
      So why not tax welfare/food stamps etc…people that receive those things don’t do anything to receive them. The problem with raising cap gain taxes is it discourages people from investing and saving for their future. A future that looks very bleak for those without their own funds to finance their golden years.
      - Mike_Card
        
        Your lack of understanding is stunning. Do they tax the destitute on their bowls of gruel on your planet?
      - William
        
        Your pity for the poor will ensure they stay poor. You lack of understanding how a poor person moves out of poverty is stunning. Nothing in life is free.
      - Mike_Card
        
        2 words; and they ain’t “Let’s dance.”
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF
    
    That one little context-free nugget does a lot of heavy lifting in Williamworld, doesn’t it?
- nj_v2
  
  Not bad except for 4. It’s not prudent to try to pick which technology/ies or businesses will end up being sustainable.
  
  All that’s needed is to tax (disincentivize) carbon/fossil fuels and let the market sort things out. If you don’t like “tax,” call it an “externalized-cost recovery fee.”
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF
    
    How about “subsidize renewables as extractives are subsidized”?
    
    Same major idea, brings up the “Whoopsie, but it’s better now” image ads that BP is playing about the Gulf spill.
Ed75

There must be some Democrats who want the president to stop attacking the Catholic Church.
- Mouse_2012
  
  I wanted the Catholic Church to stop attacking little boys but seems we all can’t get what we want.
- J__o__h__n
  
  The Catholic Church doesn’t pay taxes and donations to it are exempt. It gets government money to administer social programs. It is not under attack.
Mouse_2012

Many Corp Dem’s sold out and are what would now be considered Moderate Republicans, Many of there policies has created a status quo on many issues that need to be addressed.
Mouse_2012

No war with Iran would be nice, Not only are republicans pushing this but Democrats.
- Shag_Wevera
  
  I wish wars had to be voted on by congress (like we are supposed to). I also wish the government actually observed the will of the people when it came to wars.
Jasoturner

What we are seeing is the bulk of Americans being priced out of a good education and good healthcare. This needs to be fixed if we are to sustain a robust, middle class society. Otherwise we might as well be Bolivia.
- MadMarkTheCodeWarrior
  
  … we are being priced out of almost everything.
  If no one has expendable income, the only thing they can reasonably spend money on is food and shelter.
  
  Republicans blame poverty on the poor. Perhaps they should look at the minimum wage that they’ve been voting against for years. Like Morgan Spurlock, they should try to live on minimum wage for 30 days. It would be a rude awakening to there ideological delirium.
Mouse_2012

Could Onpoint do a show on the weapons used and ready for use Outside both the RNC and DNC?
MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

Democrats want a strong America. This involves strong opportunity and upward mobility which has been undermined and suppressed under Republican policies.

Nothing is less efficient than Chaos. But that’s what the Republican’s Randian economic theory promotes.

Without a strong US government, we would not have become the technological and military marvel of the 20th century.

Despite the historical facts demonstrating US government’s leadership, investment and stewardship of our great industries leading to an endless list of technological breakthroughs, Republicans refuse to acknowledge the fact insisting that we need a weak government…. I’m sorry, but you can’t have one without the other. Just look at China our prime competitor, which is now, investing in everything that we used to!

We don’t want America to be come a third world country, which it will if Republican regressive ideology rules.
http://twitter.com/ipswichjonesy jonesp

I want Democrats who are willing to stand up to corporate American to protect our environment including our water and
climate and wildernesses. Who remembers environmentalism???????
- Shag_Wevera
  
  I thought the free market was supposed to solve this problem.
http://profile.yahoo.com/Z2D5FPVJG4JRDYVQHGEWF3R724 GN

If Mitt were to be elected his margin of victory would be so thin that he would have no clear mandate. He would wake up the day after only to find himself every bit as entrenched in gridlock and embattled as Pres Obama has if not more.
- William
  
  JFK had a pretty slim margin of victory.
  - Mike_Card
    
    JFK won 301 to Nixon’s 219.
    
    A slim one was 2000, when GWB won 244 to Gore’s 266. The Supremem Court awarded GSB 27 bonus votes based on his little brother’s state of Florida.
    - William
      
      The votes were recounted several times and Bush won each time.
      - Mike_Card
        
        Only at the Supreme Court, and Sandra Day O”Connor apologized after she retired. The Bush cabal stole Florida.
Roy-in-Boise

Unfortunately when we hear catch phrases
like “the comeback team” and “take our country back … from those people” it defines the
underlining racial tone to this election. So, we must ask our selves a
two part question. Who are “those people” and aren’t they Americans too?
- William
  
  So you take what Chris Mathews, the leading racist on tv, with his list of “code words” like “Chicago” as an indication of an “underlining racial tone?”
  - Gregg Smith
    
    It’s the height of stupidity. It’s all based on the color of Obama’s skin and nothing else. It’s sick.
    - Mouse_2012
      
      projection much?
  - Mouse_2012
    
    Yep Republicans never use “Code Words”…….
    
    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/london-ky/TSGIO0EJUL35C2EAB
    - William
      
      Where is the “code word book or list”. We all want to be PC, but it is hard without this codeword list or book. Who would have thought “Chicago” is a racist code word?
      - Mouse_2012
        
        ???
      - modavations
        
        Go and Google “The Dictionary of Leftist Gobble De Gook”
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF
    
    “Chris Matthews, the leading racist on TV.”
    
    Submitted without comment.
  - http://www.facebook.com/gregoryjesagreg Sandra A Sandy Gregory
    
    Shame on you!
- Gregg Smith
  
  That’s sick.
  - Mouse_2012
    
    I know it’s really sick how racist the republican base is. Good thing your not part of it.
TomK_in_Boston

I’m not gonna get what I want from Rockefeller republican Obama, but I have to support him when the alternative is thermonuclear class warfare and a return to 1900, if not later. This is a very important election and I fear for what’s left of our middle class society if the RR gang gets in.

Anyway, what I want is, above all, much higher taxes on people like me. The rates should keep increasing through the stratosphere so a financial con man making $10 mil pays a higher rate than a doctor making $1 mil, with a top rate around 50%. The estate tax should be restored and divs and capital gains become ordinary income. We could really use a financial transactions tax.

Let’s prosecute the financial criminals.

I’d like to see the tax code used to favor mfg in the USA. No more trade deals with slave labor countries with no environmental laws. Let’s help Unions organize instead of making it ever harder.

Let’s cut the mil-indu complex. But, since gvt spending really does create jobs, as the TeaOP admits in that case only, put the $ back into infrastructure, R&D etc.
Mouse_2012

Wow the AEI.

Good thing Tom had on someone from an extremely liberal think tank during the RNC…..oh…..maybe not.
Mouse_2012

So Republicans push for Public sector Job loss than “Concern Troll” how the unemployement rate is not going down.

You can actually find republicans
Celebrating the lost of x public sector jobs than nearly a week later blaming obama for the unemployement rate going up by x
- TomK_in_Boston
  
  Those aren’t real jobs, y’know. A real job, to the RR boys, is a financial con job.
  
  Funny thing, though, they grant one exception – they are deeply concerned that cuts in military spending will cost jobs. If you’re planning how to blow up iran on a gvt salary, that’s a job. If you’re a teacher making a lot less, you’re a parasite.
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF
    
    A real (gov’t paid-for) job?
    
    It’s a very limited range, to listen to them. One showers before work, not after work. Or one deals with people in suits, not kids in school clothes.
Mouse_2012

The Stimulus had 1/3 tax cuts in them. According to Republicans tax cuts are always good another 1/3 were to states(mainly red ones got more..opps)
Mouse_2012

After watching Paul Ryan speak I now know why some want to be republicans.

Government provided health care, Government provided gym, Government provided perks, Government provided Security, Government provided SS, Government provided Pension on top the Government made Ryan Rich.
mrtwilight23

Regulate sugar.
Tom had a great show on this on March 1st of this year.
WorriedfortheCountry

I guess they don’t want God and they don’t want the embassy in Jerusalem.

Who made the change and why? No one seems to be able to answer that question. Dick Durbin ran away yelling and screaming when asked. Sounds like the media found a hot issue.
- Mouse_2012
  
  Good.
  
  God can be private not forced on others. name a country who has an embassy in Jerusalem?
  
  Romney was foolish to the extreme with his Jerusalem comment.
- http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF
  
  For a moderate, you really worry a lot about not having enough of other’s religion in the public sphere.
  - WorriedfortheCountry
    
    I’m not sure if I’m a moderate.
    
    I characterize myself as a libertarian and a fiscal conservative. Maybe I’m moderate on the libertarian spectrum. Although I am a strong believer in freedom and protection from government tyranny.
    
    However, I also believe strongly in federalism. The federal government has way too much power and much of its role should be pushed back to the states.
    - MadMarkTheCodeWarrior
      
      The tyranny that you need to worry about is the tyranny of the wealthy and their use of religious fervor to ignite fear, hatred and xenophobia resulting in religious tyranny that distracts us from the systematic off-loading of responsibility for maintaining our system and its government from those who benefit the most from the protections, services and infrastructures that the US of A affords them.
      
      Remember this – we have a legal system, not a justice system. At 200+ $/hour for effective legal representation and legislative representation, justice is not affordable to the average Joe and Joette.
      
      The government is now run by representatives that the wealthy and corporate entities by voting shares of stock in every election cycle.
      
      And you can thank the Republican party for that blocking campaign finance reform consistently for decades until we got Citizens United handed down to us with a deciding vote from Clarence Thomas who failed to report that his wife had received $680K in funds from the conservative think tank Heritage Foundation which backed this the law suit.
      
      http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/22/nation/la-na-thomas-disclosure-20110122
      - WorriedfortheCountry
        
        Remind which party has the trial lawyer lobby locked up?
- J__o__h__n
  
  Jerusalem is probably the best example of why we shouldn’t have god in politics.
TomK_in_Boston

It’s funny, a standard TeaOP talking point is that the Dems have no economic plan – while they have nothing to offer but recycled voodoo, more tax cuts and deregulation. “Give us more, and it will trickle down to you.” That’s their “plan”. Anyone buying? Anyone that naive?
- modavations
  
  They always have a plan and it’s always the “5 year plan”
  - TomK_in_Boston
    
    The plan is in fact ever more Ryan Romney Reverse Robinhood Redistribution. The plan is to take more from the middle class and give more to the oligarchs. The smoke is that making the superrich superricher will be good you you, too. If you believe that, I’d like to talk to you about some investment opportunities in Nigeria.
- WorriedfortheCountry
  
  I’ll take 12M new jobs with many in the well paying energy sector.
  - Vigilarus
    
    More jobs have been created under Dems than Repubs over the past 40 years.
    
    There are relatively few people working in the energy sector due to mechanization and automation.
modavations

They want fealty to the State
Steve_the_Repoman

Ian Sholes of Duck’s Breath Mystery Theatre commentary on NPR some time in the 80′s:

-money that I have done nothing to earn and
-good sex…as long as it doesn’t last too long
WorriedfortheCountry

We know what Democrats want but the rest of the country wants Obama’s Incomplete changed to expelled.
modavations

Democrats’ Social Justice is picking the pockets of the Middle Class to buy the votes of the poor
WorriedfortheCountry

The Democrats are too much into idolatry of their so called leaders.

This is ironic, no maybe apropos, now that they’ve removed God from their platform.
- MadMarkTheCodeWarrior
  
  Really? REALLY? Spare me. Hail Mitt the Great the new savior of the US of A – Savior of Freedom, The Constitution, Individuality, Success and religious freedom! Savior of us all from Tyranny!!! Republican propaganda is using the sacred words of the Bible to deify Mitt and the job ‘Creators’.
  
  To H.E. Double Toothpicks with truth. Even Fox was decrying the lies that Ryan peppered his speech with.
  http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
  
  Sure truth gets distorted by both sides, but do not truth and honesty matter any more to the Republican party? Is it victory at any price? Victory of what… lies over facts?
  
  If we are to expect our leaders to make decisions for the good of all based upon facts, then these guys are either utterly incompetent or totally amoral liars that will say anything to get you to believe that they have your best interests at heart. Either way, they’ll screw us all.
  
  Remember, it’s not like these guys had only one week to prepare their speeches and verify their veracity.
  
  So what are they, ill-prepared incompetents or scheming, thieving liars? Pick one.
  - WorriedfortheCountry
    
    I heard a lot of lies last night. Especially from Deval Patrick — with his attempts to rewrite history.
    
    Deval Patrick isn’t very nice to a man who left him with a $2B rainy day fund that he promptly squandered. The truth is Romney’s rainy day fund saved Patrick’s bacon.
    
    Why can’t we be proud that our Presidential candidate is from MA?
    
    btw – Duke was just on NPR spouting more lies about Romney’s record. It was shameful.
    - J__o__h__n
      
      The rainy day fund was due to Finneran.
      - J__o__h__n
        
        What did Bush do with Clinton’s surplus?
      - WorriedfortheCountry
        
        Then Bush’s debt is due to Pelosi.
      - http://twitter.com/Ziljan_Vega Logan
        
        Whatever happened to the republican virtue of taking responsibility for you own actions? If you sign a budget, you own it. The increase to defense spending was much larger than the increase to entitlements during Bush. You certainly can’t credit a peace-nik like Pelosi with beating the drums and signing the checks for those unfunded wars. $1.3 trillion in middle east shinanigans to chase down one crippled terrorist who was practically glued to a dialysis machine. …And in the richest nation on the planet, you guys want to cut spending on old folks who are already eating cat food in order to pay their medical bills.
      - J__o__h__n
        
        The tax cuts and Iraq weren’t her idea.
    - modavations
      
      We had a big broohaha in Boston.They were using EBT Cards for tatoos,Nail care,jewelry,lottery tickets,bail for Heroin Addicts,etc..The Legislature tightened things up,Deval vetoed the bill and was overriden.He said he didn’t want to make the Poor feel self conscious,or some such prattle.
    - WorriedfortheCountry
      
      And I still don’t forgive Duke for killing happy hour.
    - ulTRAX2
      
      Romney DID raise taxes… plenty… only they were called “fees”. For example, my license to carry went up from $25 to $100.
  - WorriedfortheCountry
    
    I don’t go for the idolatry. I go for accomplishments and results. The RNC focused on results and was soft on hero worship.
    - http://twitter.com/Ziljan_Vega Logan
      
      The only result the RNC has been looking for the last 4 years was to obstruct any meaningful economic progress with no reason other than playing politics. And for the 8 years before that, they built a house of cards around deregulation, increased govt spending, and high stakes gambling. A colossal mess with aftershocks that they are now trying to pin on the democrats. Do they really think voters are so stupid?
      
      I wish there was a better alternative to the lackluster establishment democrats, but the RNC stale crony obstructionist tactics certainly aren’t it. We need fundamentially new ideas that can’t be co-opted by the existing political machinery of either side of the political elites. We need a party that is for the people and not just there to grab their share of the loot before the ship sinks to the bottom of the ocean.
    - ulTRAX2
      
      When the GOP has two Bozo’s at the head of their ticket… hero worship does seem a bit misplaced.
- J__o__h__n
  
  The GOP doesn’t worship Reagan?
  - WorriedfortheCountry
    
    Yes, but it is more about his accomplishments.
    - http://twitter.com/Ziljan_Vega Logan
      
      …like bankrupting the government to fund the coldwar? …or putting previously institutionalized mentally ill people on the streets? …or taking credit for Gorbachev’s work that brought down the Berlin Wall? …or the Savings & Loan deregualtion scandal? Which of these accomplishments are most loved by Republicans?
    - Mouse_2012
      
      Joke of the day
      
      “ Yes, but it is more about his accomplishments.”
      
      after saying
      
      “The Democrats are too much into idolatry of their so called leaders.”
    - ulTRAX2
      
      You mean Reagan’s dragging the nation into the deepest depression since the 30′s 6 months after he took office… where 18 months later peak unemployment was higher than under Obama… even though Reagan didn’t have collapsed banking, housing, and automotive sectors to contend with let alone two wars? You mean where unemployment was over 7% for SIXTY MONTHS? Perhaps you mean his accomplishment of almost tripling the national debt with irresponsible tax cuts and reckless spending? How about his tax shifting from the rich downward? Shall I go on?
    - http://www.facebook.com/gregoryjesagreg Sandra A Sandy Gregory
      
      Ok, I’m a Missourian but, born in CA and remember Roanld Reagan as a great movie star.Not a great Gov. But, he did raise taxes, yep, he did raid the social security “TRUST” fund to balance his budget.
- http://www.facebook.com/gregoryjesagreg Sandra A Sandy Gregory
  
  That is a lie! Why do people continue to lie in order to win. So sad, it’s about American citizens and I certainly do not want a president who won by lieing. Shucks, we would have to spent the next four years “impeaching” him or his VP. Wouldn’t we???
Brandstad

Dem Delegates & Supporters On Video: We’re Really Pro-Choice…Unless It Involves Food, School, or Union Choice http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dem-delegates-supporters-on-video-were-really-pro-choice-unless-it-involves-food-school-or-union-choice/
- WorriedfortheCountry
  
  Or choice of Medicare or Obamacare options.
  - Mouse_2012
    
    Good thing we have RomneyCare in Mass. Mitt Great he forced others to have mandated healthcare.
    
    Anyway did Mitt flip flop yet about RomneyCare being good?
Brandstad

Obamahood!
- Mike_Card
  
  The chair called: “Make. My. Day. You feelin’ lucky?”
Brandstad

Obamas new logo
- Mike_Card
  
  Rush on line 2; he says, “Take it down or you’re toast–that’s mine!”
  - http://www.facebook.com/gregoryjesagreg Sandra A Sandy Gregory
    
    Rush who?
WorriedfortheCountry

Good news. The justice department dropped their opposition to the NH photo ID voter law.

MA can no long bus in students looking to vote but they can still shop tax free and bottle deposit free.
- ulTRAX2
  
  Any actual proof of such voter fraud on the part of Massachusetts officials? Of course not. You don’t need no stinkin’ proof.
WorriedfortheCountry

Democracy at work at the Democrat convention.

They do a voice vote to put God back in their platform — 3 times and still can’t get it done. But the party higher ups ignore the voice vote that was 50-50 and declare the yeas have it.

It was hilarious.
- Mouse_2012
  
  They could have voted for each by themselves but instead combine them both on purpose.
- J__o__h__n
  
  Why is this trivia important?
- http://www.facebook.com/gregoryjesagreg Sandra A Sandy Gregory
  
  I did hear a whole lot of Democrat speakers mention God, did you or did you just want to block that part out? “God bless the United State of America” Platform?? There is always pros and cons when creating a platform when you have diversity in your party.
  - J__o__h__n
    
    There was more god blessing being said than at an hay fever suffers’ convention.
WorriedfortheCountry

I just tuned in and I think I accidentally tuned in to MSNBC and Chris Matthews show. How many tingles are there?
Mouse_2012

lol,

Seems AIPAC decided what Democrats want. very sad that they forced the DNC to change it’s platform

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISvoPQ5jtzk
MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

I would like to see more honesty than we witnessed at the RNC.

Evidently, in the name of God and moral family values, Republicans feel entitled to lie and misrepresent the truth.

Are they that insecure in their faith that they believe that they need to lie to win, even with God on their side? Have they not read the Bible? Do they not live by the tenants of their faith?

The party of moral indignation and unwavering ideology has no problem with wholesale lying. I love it!!!
- notafeminista
  
  Forgive my OCD…it’s “tenets” as in the belief of – as opposed to “tenant” as in a renter.
ulTRAX2

Just an off-topic tidbit. Back in the 90′s about 80% of GOP Senators signed up as cosponsors for health care bills that contained an individual mandate.
- WorriedfortheCountry
  
  Even if they had there is no way the would support the 2700 page monster — Obamacare.
  - http://www.facebook.com/gregoryjesagreg Sandra A Sandy Gregory
    
    Not hard to read. I have and posted it for others. Nicely double spaced, easy read. Try it – you might like it.
    - notafeminista
      
      It is. I especially enjoyed the part where they rely on the the fee/tax/penalty waffle iron (whatever its called these days) for NOT having insurance to pay for it. Brilliant really. The dratted thing counts on people not having insurance.
      
      Sick.
thegreengrass

Most Democrats I know want the party to have convictions and actually fight for them. After the midterm elections in 2006 when Democrats retook both houses of congress and still let Bush do whatever he wanted, I registered Green because I was disgusted with the Democratic Party. They’re wishy washy, inarticulate, are either afraid to follow through with things they say they believe in or have no actual idea how to at all, and are an overall a disappointment to every true progressive out there.
- J__o__h__n
  
  If all the progressives leave the Democratic party, the party won’t move more to the left with only the centrists left and the Greens still won’t win.
- notafeminista
  
  You just defined the word “moderate”.
Spencer Doidge

In my opinion Mr. Corn’s remarks on GOP objectives did not go far enough or deep enough. I once read in Foreign Affairs, certainly not a left wing screed, how the control of nation states worldwide is gradually passing from democratic institutions such as the US federal government to multinational corporations. The article asserts that it does not overstate the case to say that across the world the nation state is becoming a threatened species. The GOP agenda aggressively promotes that trend because their most powerful leaders believe they stand to benefit from it.

On another point: Good fiscal policy is important, but if it is perceived as unfair policy, the stability of the society and its governing institutions is threatened as much as it would be by unsound finance. We see that happening now in Greece and Spain and to a lesser extent here in the US. You lose as much as you gain. It’s not as simple as Paul Ryan wishes it were.
PithHelmut

Mitt, Obama – what’s the difference? Purely cosmetic Watson. Purely cosmetic: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/11264-john-cusack-and-jonathan-turley-on-obamas-constitution
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David Corn is deeply entrenched in the false left/right paradigm. Hearing him passionately shill for POTUS Obama was really sickening while he claimed to represent “middle-of-the-road” views. Serious cognitive dissonance.

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