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Romney’s World View

Mitt Romney and the world. Romney as commander-in-chief. Foreign policy boss.  What he’d do differently.

Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney meets with Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in Jerusalem, Sunday, July 29, 2012. (AP)

Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney meets with Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in Jerusalem, Sunday, July 29, 2012. (AP)

Mitt Romney did missionary work in France and famously stashed some serious money abroad, but beyond those, foreign affairs have not been his big life focus.  Now, he’s getting close to the White House.  And telling the country he would be more assertive, globally, than President Obama.

Talking tough on Iran, China, Russia.  Railing against defense cuts.  But what would he really bring?  More Obama style?  Bush-Cheney redux? His own way?  War?  Peace?  Trade war?

This hour, On Point:  From Tampa, Mitt Romney and the world.

-Tom Ashbrook

 

Guests

David Frum, a contributing editor at Newsweek and The Daily Beast and a CNN contributor. He was a speechwriter for George W. Bush.

Mitchell Reiss, a foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney. A former diplomat, he’s now the president of Washington College.

Gideon Rachman, chief foreign affairs correspondent at the Financial Times.

Rep. Adam Smith, a Democratic congressman from Washington. He is a ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee. You can find his article in Foreign Policy “The Romney-Cheney Doctrine” here.

Jack BeattyOn Point news analyst.

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New York Times “But in the long stretch before the Republican convention in August, the battle for Mr. Romney’s mind on the key foreign policy questions that have defined the past few decades will have to be joined: When is a threat to America so urgent that the United States should intervene unilaterally? Is it worth the cost and casualties to rebuild broken societies? Should America feel it must always be in the lead — as Mr. Romney seems to argue — or let other powers play that role when their interests are more directly affected?”

Foreign Policy “As Romney considers possible running mates, it’s worth remembering that he pointed to Dick Cheney as the “kind of person I’d like to have” working with him. Likewise, the policies that Romney has advocated — like indefinitely leaving our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, for example — are continuations of the Bush-Cheney doctrine, version 2.0.”

Foreign Policy “It is said this election will turn on domestic and economic issues, and barring any major international upheavals, this is probably right. But it is also true that our domestic and economic success is both a central cause and an enduring benefit of our global leadership — our ability and willingness to shape international events in line with our interests and values. We are now engaged in a great debate over whether America’s core challenge is how to manage our own decline as a great power — or how to renew our capacity to carry on our proud tradition of world leadership. Ultimately, this is what’s at stake in this election, and the stakes could not be higher.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-McLaughlin/100000039777325 Matt McLaughlin

    When I hear GOP nominee VP Ryan say ‘all means necessary’ allotted to Israel to protect itself, or L Graham having everyone sign a petition to protect Israel in all circumstances, while the Israeli annexation continues, it seems the USA has traded morality for empire. the same feeling for this pursuit in finding Iran a threat. Its embarrassing as an American how statements are made that can only entangle and cuff our Dept of Defense’s day to day operations especially in a worst case scenario with the foreign Israel. We have already heard of the ‘Jesus Loves Nukes’ problem at Vanenberg AFB with fundamental Christian Promise Land / Chosen People wack-jobs too close to the launch button. Ryan’s Catholic and hangs at the bunker of the Israel Firsters. And Syria too, oh Brutus?

    • Mouse_2012

      notice how no matter what israel does it’s never extreme and rarely question .Bibi speech to congress was a national disgrace laced with extremism .Yet 90% of congress cheered. Bibi could never get that in israel

  • Mike_Card

    Who is on Romney’s team?  Are there even any hints about State or Defense?

    Or does the Ryan budget eleminate those wasteful government elements, to be outsourced to some private enterprise entity in Chindia?

    • J__o__h__n

      The usual Republicans.  Really dangerous people like John Bolton.  Robert Bork is even a judicial advisor. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Bork?

        Can’t that hack lose in peace? He got a full Senate vote, right?

        I don’t know because “our mainstream media” mentions “not enough judges” and nobody is telling me whether previous presidents got “upordownvotes” from the Senate.

      • Don_B1

        Having Bork as an advisor certainly clears up any question on the temperament Romney’s Supreme Court nominations would have.

        In Bork’s book, “Marching toward Gomorrah,” Bork stated that this country was trending toward immoral behavior because even the poor had too much money and the country needed a big recession or depression to concentrate people’s minds on morality (and not getting the next day’s food and shelter — but, wait, they will be driven to the churches to work for food and shelter, and where they will learn morality). Now there is real fantasy!

      • Mike_Card

        I just earped some vomit in my mouth.

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  • Duras

    Does Romney even have control of his own political vision?  He has said that he wants to follow the principles of Smith’s Wealth of Nations.  Does that mean he supports unions?  Does that mean he believes that the capitalist has a responsibility to maintain public institutions like universities.  Smith doesn’t believe in corporate personhood; why does Romney? 

    Katty Kay of the BBC made a good point on Charlie Rose: republicans like to say that leaders don’t look at the polls, they change the polls.  But Romney has clearly been looking at the polls and has changed his position on a number of issues. 

    There was a good article from the New Yorker that showed the construction of Romneycare.  He was as data-driven as can be, and when an moment came up when he couldn’t be lead by data, he reverted to his conservative principles.  Seriously, how can anybody hate that basic approach.  Apparently, the republican base does. 

    Romney knows very well that the individual tax rate has nothing to do with business taxes, yet he thinks that the top income earners are being overtaxed and they need a tax cut….  There is no way he believes this.  The only things I think he believes in are the things that are also in Smith, like uniform corporate tax code, no incentives, de-regulation.  I don’t think he has given two thoughts about democracy and the state of our republic. 

    • Gregg Smith

      Katty Kay is on Fox. Doesn’t that disqualify everything she says?

      • http://profiles.google.com/rickevans033050 Rick Evans

         Katty Kay is a BBC correspondent.

        • Gregg Smith

          I understand, I listen to the BBC all the time. She is also a Fox news correspondent. Or at least she was for a time, I think she still is. She may have gotten upset when Chris Wallace demolished her on Jeopardy. 

          • Don_B1

            Katty Kay is not on the list of Opinion Columnists. I am surprise you didn’t check that. But then maybe I shouldn’t be.

          • Gregg Smith

            She is on the panel of “Special Report” often, or used to be. She’s also been on Fox News Sunday. Why do you have such a hard time believing it?

          • Don_B1

            Everyone should not believe a word you say; the reason is that you twist or lie about almost everything as exemplified here. I didn’t say anything about “believing it.” I said I was surprised that you said you were not sure if Ms Kay was a Fox News Correspondent.

            I don’t think being on a “Special Report panel” occasionally is the same as being a news correspondent. But you take delight in sowing deceptive statements.

      • Duras

        The BBC doesn’t hire flunkies.  Bravo to Fox News for at least bringing on serious journalist instead of trying to show legs and cleavage all day. And she made a good, nuanced point that seems to have struck a nerve with you.

        • Gregg Smith

          No nerve, I was just turning the tables on the Fox thing. I don’t agree with her point and to the extent she has one she ignores Obama’s pandering flip-flops.

        • Gregg Smith

          They talk funny on BBC.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            It’s called English Gregg, everyone doesn’t speak Ameruhcan. I guess everyone should follow The New Kid On The Block’s lead when it comes to language. Get busy world! You’ve got a lot of dumbing down to do before you catch up!

          • Gregg Smith

            I think they talk funny. They don’t even know what football is.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            “Of the 45 national FIFA (Fédération Internationale de Football Association) affiliates in which English is an official or primary language, 43 use football in their organisations’ official names (only Canada and the United States use soccer).”

            Quoted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28word%29

            43 to 2 huh? Of course The Two must be right and the entire rest of the world must be wrong. Two only trumps 43 when playing Golf and frequently when enacting US Foreign Policy. FORE!

  • DrewInGeorgia

    I can’t stand David Frum. Am I the only one who thinks he looks just like Alfred E. Neuman? Of course this has nothing to do with my dislike of Frum but it was an observation I couldn’t pass up.

    • Gregg Smith

      We finally agree.

    • J__o__h__n

      I find him worth listening to.  I usually disagree with him but unlike most conservatives he makes me think. 

      • Don_B1

        That is why the Tea/Republican Party has disowned him. He at least does not make up huge easily disproved lies to deceive people.

  • NewtonWhale

    Mitt Romney cleverly waits until he’s back from his trip to insult Israel”It’s individuals and their entrepreneurship which have driven America,” Romney said. “What America is not a collective where we all work in a Kibbutz or we all in some little entity, instead it’s individuals pursuing their dreams and building successful enterprises which employ others and they become inspired as they see what has happened in the place they work and go off and start their own enterprises.” http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/07/1117719/-Mitt-Romney-cleverly-waits-until-he-s-back-from-his-trip-to-insult-Israel 

    • Don_B1

      Remember that Romney and Netanyahu worked together and got to know each other at an investment company shortly after Romney got his two Master Degrees at Harvard.

  • Mouse_2012

    40million bought Romney’s policies

  • Acnestes

    Some friends and I are going to see “Iron Sky” tonight, but my girlfriend has opted to stay home and watch the convention.  I think she’s crazy, but as one of my friends points out, given the choice of watching either the Republicans or Nazis from the moon there’s really not much difference.

    • Gregg Smith

      Your girlfriend has the sense to listen to another viewpoint. 

      • adks12020

        The “other viewpoint” is the same as it’s been for the past 3 1/2 years…”Obama is terrible-he ruined out country and we need him out, praise the lord, let me keep my guns (even though no one wants to take them), get rid of all the mexicans, make the rich richer, no taxes, yada, yada, yada”..there, no need to watch the convention now.  

        • adks12020

          oh, I almost forgot….”men get to choose what women do with their bodies” is always present as well.

          • notafeminista

            Only when permitted to do so.  Men don’t give a hang what women do with their bodies until she says “yes”.

          • Don_B1

            Or “no.”

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            You repeatedly have with what statisticians call “sampling error”.

        • Gregg Smith

          Actually Obama was barely mentioned. Keep your head in the sand.

          • J__o__h__n

            He featured prominently in Tim Pawlenty’s silly speech. 

          • Gregg Smith

            I said barely, I don’t think Christie (of all people) even mentioned his name. It was nothing like  adks12020′s characterization. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • Don_B1

            Christie barely mentioned Romney’s name!

          • DrewInGeorgia

            Seemed pretty obvious to me that Christie felt he should be President. That’s the problem with a party full of Bullies that know-it-all, at some point one is going to demand to be in charge. Speaking of egos, how did they fit so many HUGE egos into that one building? I keep waiting for the roof to pop off.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Well, Christie is trying to milk his “screen test” for 2016. How much does one think Romney’s name will fit into it?

          • nj_v2

            I’ll take sand over where Greggg’s head is.

      • Acnestes

        She likes to be informed about what the enemy is up to.

        • Steve__T

           Snap, good one.

  • Mouse_2012

    both parties support this jewish first welfare state. thanks to the likud lobby.but things will change

  • Mouse_2012

    Hi Tom, please mention the likud charter.

  • NewtonWhale

    Why (and How) Romney is Playing the Race Card

    As countless impartial fact-checkers have noted, the Obama administration memo cited by the Romney team actually gives states flexibility to find better ways of getting welfare recipients into jobs.Why ignore fact-checkers? First, internal GOP polling and focus groups offer convincing evidence that the welfare ad is hurting Obama.  Second, the welfare issue, generally speaking, triggers anger in white blue-collar voters that is easily directed toward Democrats. This information comes from senior GOP strategists who have worked both for President Bush and Romney. They spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid retribution.Furthermore, a senior GOP pollster said he has shared with the Romney camp surveys showing that white working-class voters who backed Obama in 2008 have moved to Romney in recent weeks “almost certainly because of the welfare ad. We’re talking a (percentage) point or two, but that could be significant.”

     Romney and his advisors stand by an ad they know is wrong – or, at the very least, they are carelessly ignoring the facts. That ad is exploiting the worst instincts of white voters – as predicted and substantiated by the Republican Party’s own polling.That leaves one inescapable conclusion: The Romney campaign is either recklessly ignorant of the facts, some of which they possess – or it is lying about why (and how) it is playing the race card.http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-election/why-and-how-romney-is-playing-the-race-card-20120829 

    • Gregg Smith

      That’s sick. What does race have to do with welfare? There are more whites on welfare and food stamps than blacks yet you assume welfare mens black. Why? Do you feel that blacks are inferior and helpless so of course they are on welfare? Sick, sick, sick.

      The will off the people gave Republicans Congress in 1994. Newt, Santorum and the gang negotiated welfare reform with Bill Clinton. He vetoed it over and over until they got it done… through the proper legislative process. Clinton was a leader and did not whine about being a victim of Congress. The reform was a huge success, a signature achievement. Obama comes along and willy nilly strips the work requirement by executive order or as you say “memo”. I don’t care how good you claim the action was, we don’t have a king and Clinton’s achievements are not chopped liver.

      • NewtonWhale

        In 1981 Interview, ‘Rove’s Brain’ Lee Atwater Connects the Dots Between Jim Crow Racist Policies and GOP’s Push for Budget Cuts 

        LEE ATWATER: As to the whole Southern strategy that [Nixon political strategist] Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he’s campaigned on since 1964 and that’s fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

        QUESTIONER: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

        ATWATER: You start out in 1954 by saying, “N****r, n****r, n****r.” By 1968 you can’t say “n****r” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N****r, n****r.”

        http://www.pensitoreview.com/2011/08/17/roves-brain-lee-atwater-in-1981-gop-push-for-budget-cuts-is-stealth-racism/ 

        • Gregg Smith

          Now you want to go back a half century to avoid admitting your lie about Romney? Why not address my criticisms? Welfare does not mean black, it’s sad you think it does.

          • NewtonWhale

            Is Romney a Race Baiter?

            The Romney welfare ad was not only an utter lie—the steps the Obama administration is considering are meant to allow states to get more people to work, not fewer—it was also a clear example of race baiting. One is hardly being paranoid to read this ad as referring to race by implication: Reagan’s use of the phrase “welfare queen” and the centrality of welfare to culture-war debates on race into the 1990s are hardly distant memories. Aside from Romney’s contortions over Massachusetts health-care reform, the ad is his lowest moment of the campaign. 

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/29/is-romney-a-race-baiter.html 

            Making the Election About Race

            The Republican ticket is flooding the airwaves with commercials that develop two themes designed to turn the presidential contest into a racially freighted resource competition pitting middle class white voters against the minority poor.Ads that accuse President Obama of gutting the work requirements enacted inthe 1996 welfare reform legislation present the first theme. Ads alleging that Obama has taken $716 billion from Medicare — a program serving an overwhelmingly white constituency — in order to provide health coverage to the heavily black and Hispanic poor deliver the second. The ads are meant to work together, to mutually reinforce each other’s claims.

            http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/making-the-election-about-race/ 

            Romney Cribs from the GOP’s Willie Horton Playbook
            Romney tells USA Today’s Susan Page  that Obama issued the welfare waivers to “shore up his base.” President Obama doesn’t represent you; he represents a lot of people on welfare. And you know what they look like. (Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul told  the Huffington Post that Romney was talking not about welfare recipients but about “President Obama’s liberal base … the people who believe the same way he does: that government is the solution to everything.” Yeah, right.) 

            http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106588/obamas-welfare-base 

          • Gregg Smith

            I can’t believe you buy this racist crap. Chris Matthews tried to pull the “Welfare Queen” thing on Newt and got his head handed to him. Reagan never said anything about race. Obama took $716B out of medicare for Obamacare, it’s true. And once again you equate poor with blacks. Sick, sick sick. Obama’s base is the government dependent population… which you probably think means black. Sick, sick, sick.

          • J__o__h__n

            Reagan invented the image of the Cadillac driving “welfare queen” and the “strapping buck” buying steak, and kicked off his campaign in Phildelphia, Mississippi. 

          • Don_B1

            And Reagan launched his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, where Medgar Evers was shot for wanting to go to school, talking about “State’s Rights,” codeword, dog whistle, for race-baiting.

          • Gregg Smith

            Did he call them black?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Try harder to not sound as ignorant as you come off.

          • StilllHere

            Preserving the institution of low expectations and dependency is how Democrats maintain voter control.

      • nj_v2

        I see the shameless, clueless, lying, superpartisan  hack is still at it (“Obama comes along and willy nilly strips the work requirement by executive order …”)

        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/28/rick-santorum/Santorum-Romney-claim-Obama-ending-welfare-work/

        “PolitiFact checked a Romney campaign ad’s claim that Obama ended welfare work requirements earlier this month, rating it Pants On Fire. In reality, the Obama administration has said it will consider proposals from states that are aimed at finding better ways of getting welfare recipients into jobs. FactCheck.org and the Washington Post Fact Checker have also said the claim is false.”

        (excerpt)

        http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/fact-check-welfare/index.html?eref=rss_politics

        “So where did the notion of a major welfare reform overhaul come from?

        Where it didn’t come from is Washington but rather from Utah, Nevada, California, Connecticut and Minnesota.

        These states, some with Republican governors, asked the federal government for more flexibility in how they hand out welfare dollars. Their purpose was to spend less time on federal paperwork and more time experimenting with ways to connect welfare recipients with jobs.

        The Obama administration cooperated, granting waivers to some states from some of the existing rules.”

        (excerpt)

        • Gregg Smith

          King Obama sets his decree and you obediently comply and defend.

          • nj_v2

            Greggg has nearly mastered Smarmy Weaselness. Black belt soon.

          • Mouse_2012
          • Don_B1

            Every comment Gregg makes fits him with orders of magnitude more accuracy. He is the one who is really sick and always, always, obediently complies with and defends the most rank Republican policies.

            The more despicable the Republican argument the louder (though often incoherent) his defense.

          • Gregg Smith

            Throw something unspecified against the wall and see if it sticks. 

        • Mouse_2012

          Amazing enough the Ads are still running. What does the LDS church say about lying?

          • Don_B1

            Particularly by one of its bishops.

      • J__o__h__n

        Save your outrage for the people campaigning by raising the stereotype of blacks on welfare and not on those who point it out. 

        • Gregg Smith

          That’s sick, the only ones who care about race are Democrats. Stereotypes shmereotypes, if stupid people racist people want to believe welfare means black then it ain’t because Republicans are spreading that lie.

          • J__o__h__n

            The Republicans are the ones spreading that lie.  The victims of the racist Republican lie, the blacks, overwhelmingly vote Democratic.  What does that tell you?

          • Mouse_2012

            The central element of dog whistle politics is that the cues are so subtle and coded that only the target audience will pick up on a given speaker’s real intent. Ostensibly, these secret codes and signals give a politician plausible deniability, where in Romney’s case (and the Republican Party in mass) racism can be denied, and then the assertion flipped in a game of political Aikido that plays on white victimology and spurious claims of “reverse racism.”

            In theory, those candidates that deploy racial dog whistles can win on both ends of the deal: they get to communicate their onerous message; this same candidate then mines white racial resentment for electoral gain when they are critiqued for their racism.

            http://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/2012/08/white-supremacists-hear-mitt-romneys.html

          • notafeminista

            Here Fido.

          • notafeminista

            “If you can hear the dog whistle, then you are the dog” James Taranto WSJ “Best of the Web”

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      The people who wrote the welfare reform law say the ad is correct. It appears the so called ‘fact checkers’ are either mistaken or worse, covering for Obama.

      • NewtonWhale

        Like this guy?

        “Ron Haskins, who as a Ways and Means Committee staffer in the 1990s helped draft the welfare law for House Republicans, told NPR that “there’s no plausible scenario under which it really constitutes a serious attack on welfare reform.”

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-romneys-welfare-gambit/2012/08/10/33de8bf2-e272-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_story.html 

        • Mouse_2012

          opps your messing up his spin. How dare you provide a link to your claim.

      • Steve__T

         I could say I told you so but you wouldn’t believe me, and I bet that even if Romney told you himself personally, he did it to swing votes you still wouldn’t believe it.

  • Gregg Smith

    One difference would be Romney would set foot in Israel  during his first term. My guess is he would not be invading sovereign countries with unauthorized assassinating drones. He wouldn’t be sneaking around behind Mexico’s back shipping bookoos of guns to cartels. He would probably at least attempt going to the UN before unilateral action. He would tell the people of Iran he supports them. Obama blew it big time in 2009. I doubt Romney would have been so quick to call for Mubarek to step down and hand the reigns to the Muslim Brotherhood and he would have been quicker to call for Gaddaffi’s ouster preventing needless death and destruction. He wouldn’t be pressuring Europe to spend more, it’s a good thing for Germany that Merkel told him to pound sand.

    If Romney shares the same vision as Condi articulated last night then there is hope for change.

    • J__o__h__n

      So we should have respected Pakistani sovereignty and have let Osama bin Laden remain there safely?  I thought Romney said that anyone would have made that decision.  Did Bush respect the sovereignty of Iraq?  Aren’t the Republicans opposed to letting the UN interfere with American interests?

      Iran is a bit more complex than telling them we support them.  The majority support their nuclear ambitions. 

      Are the people taking power in Libya any less Muslim Brotherhood than in Egypt? 

      • Gregg Smith

        Bin Laden is an outlier, of course it was an easy decision. It was a bit unique, no? Obama has killed many with drones. Yes, Bush liberated 50 million in Iraq and Afghanistan. He did it with UN support, Congressional approval and the entire world freaking out about WMD. Clinton was the one who made regime change in Iraq US policy codified into law. The rebels in Iran were begging for support in 2009, it was the last best chance to avoid war.

        • StilllHere

          Bin Laden is one thing, taking out Americans on foreign soil seems completely different.

        • mochajava13

          Iraq did NOT happen with UN support.  The Coalition of the Willing happened outside of the UN.  The entire world was NOT freaking out about the supposed WMDs – they were pointing out that they did not exist in Iraq, with protests going around world wide to stop the imminent invasion.  The Greens in Iran were NOT begging for support in 2009 – and in fact asked the US to keep out of it.  Get your facts straight about the past.

          • notafeminista

            In a Frontline interview on PBS Scott Ritter made the statement he never “gave Iraq a clean bill of health” – and Hans Blix did not say definitively until Aug of ’03 there were no WMD in Iraq. 
             
             

          • Ray in VT

            I lived near him during the run up to Iraq, and he was sure screaming his head off about what he saw as the overblown assertions of the administration and the rush to war.

          • notafeminista

            Well there you go.  He told you the truth and lied to Frontline.

          • Ray in VT

            Do you have a date on that?  I don’t know as he was arguing that they were totally clean, but he was certainly challenging some of the Bush administration’s claims.  Also, he was all over the television giving his views, not coming over to my house, and he seemed pretty convinced that there was an orchestrated campaign to marginalize dissenting voices such as himself.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Yep. Let’s listen to all those right-wingers* who gave the time of day to Blix and Ritter while the likes of me  (and maybe you) were being called traitors in 2002.

            *It’s a short list.

          • mochajava13

             Not giving Iraq a clean bill of health is a FAR cry from saying that Iraq had WMDs.

          • notafeminista

            Fair point.  How do you interpret it?

          • mochajava13

             Not a call to invade, that’s for sure.

          • Gregg Smith
          • mochajava13

             Neither of those links have anything to do with a vote in the security council about Iraq.  The UN vote on 1441 was not a vote to invade Iraq. http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3dda0f634.html

            One vague report of Green party leaders possibly reaching out to an American leader does not make it true.  Most Iranians have a very, very deep suspicion of any US involvement in Iran, for very good reasons.

        • Mouse_2012

          John Bolton supports Drone attacks, so does the Republican party.

      • Mouse_2012

        More Gregg twisted logic. How dare Obama not support a dictator(whoses was an U.S. ally) more and let the people have there say than goes on to say “How dare Obama not attack a Dictator (whoses is not an U.S. ally) fast enough.

        Will someone think of the people(based on if there despot is a U.S. ally or not)

    • Mouse_2012

      “My guess is he would not be invading sovereign countries with unauthorized assassinating drones”

      And what Republican is against this? The leader of the house? Romney? Ryan?

      ” I doubt Romney would have been so quick to call for Mubarek to step down ”

      Now this is funny right before Gregg wrote this he wrote that Romney should support tell the Iranian people he support them against the Iranian leadership but than does not extend that support of the people of egypt and chides obama for not support Egypts former “Despot”

      Gregg. Your views are so twisted I can’t honestly believe you believe the stuff you write. But if your a true reflection of the teaparty and Fox crowd I can understand why some are so uniformed.

      • Don_B1

        Gregg does not appear to have any beliefs beyond minimal government with next to no, or no, taxes on the wealthy and believes that goal justifies any method, from distortion to outright bald lying.

        The totality of his arguments are not consistent because he justifies each point on whether it will further his goal by distracting observers from the main ideas being discussed in the thread.

        His vapid commenting could well reduce readership on this blog in much the way the Republican method of reducing the vote turnout by making those who do not follow politics closely just throw up their hands over the incessant negativity of broadcast ads.

        He knows his “base” will uncritically applaud his arguments as they perceive he has “skewered” the enemy with some snark when he has actually revealed his inability to pursue a real discussion of the issues. And, like Gingrich, Gregg is just a shallow thinker well versed in Republican talking points and only able to insert them, sometimes cleverly but most of the time irrelevantly, or use ad hominem attacks when he has no real defendable argument.

    • Mouse_2012

      Oh yea how’s africans faring in the new Libya?

  • Potter

    Does Romney have a coherent consistent “world view” other than projecting American militarism, hubris and exceptionalism?

    • Gregg Smith

      That’s a good start.

    • notafeminista

      Given the heritage and the ancestry of this country, hubris and exceptionalism are both appropriate and justified.

      • Ray in VT

        You know what hubris means, right?  It is generally used to mean extreme and unjstified arrogance.

        • notafeminista

          Can you think of anything more arrogant, more hubristic than to go off across the ocean into what is essentially the great unknown, give your king the finger and say “Screw you buddy we’re going to do it ourselves”?

          • Acnestes

            I think you need to keep a dictionary handy.  You don’t seem to understand what you’re saying a lot of the time.

          • notafeminista

            I know you need to think that.

          • Steve__T

             No you need to think.

             Oh sorry shouldn’t talk about the mentally handicapped.

          • Ray in VT

            If you are referring to the Revolution, then I think you have some factual issues in your portrayal of how things went down.  We tried to resolve our problems and stay under the Crown for some time before deciding to go it alone.  We tried the olive branch and tried to make it clear to the Crown that we liked the King, just not his ministers or Parliament.

            I don’t think that the decision for independence hubris.  I think that it was bold, daring and radical.  It was a leap into the dark that could have easily have caused our Founding Fathers to hang as traitors.

          • notafeminista

            One might even say exceptional.

          • Ray in VT

            One could certainly call it that.  Given the relative youth and low population of the Colonies at the time, there were an exceptional number of educated and forward looking people.  It was a very happy convergence of a number of factors.

            Other words to describe it are also radical, daring, innovative and liberal, but exceptional certainly applies.

            Now, I think that the problem that some have with the idea that is promoted when some talk about “American exceptionalism” is that we are somehow special, and in many ways we are.  But the problem that many on the left have with this phrase is that they perceive that those who promote it believe that we are somehow that uniqueness makes us entitled.  It becomes associated with a sort of America right or wrong attitude wherein criticism of American government actions, regardless of whether or not those actions were good, are regarded as unpatriotic.

            For instance, we have often claimed to champion freedom, but we have supported colonial powers against native independence movements, such as when we supported France against the Vietnamese after World War II.  There were all sorts of Cold War issues tied up in that to be sure, but we supported a colonial power over native sentiment.  We have supported some very bad people for some very realistic policy goals.

      • Acnestes

        Pride goeth before a fall.

        • notafeminista

          Don’t hide your light under a bushel.

        • DrewInGeorgia

          Don’t waste your breath.

    • StilllHere

      It’s definitely a contrast to Obama’s America-the-meek world tour. 

  • nj_v2

    Awww, geez, another OP program trying to take this gathering of lying sociopaths seriously. As i said a few months ago, it’s going to be a long few months until November. See ya later, OnPoint.

    In an exercise of self-abuse, between Master Chef breaks, i tried (sorry, Yoda) to watch some of this pathetic gaggle of crazies, but, as if what they were saying wasn’t nauseating enough, they put up these patches of seemingly random, shifting colors behind the psychotic bloviators. 

    The blue-and-white, cloud-ish looking one was especially unsettling, producing roughly the feeling of being on rolling ocean swells in a too-small boat. Rick Sanitorium seemed to shape shift—an effect more appropriate for Romney; maybe they were just testing it out—as if he were in some kind of mirrored, fun house. Which, come to think of it, is what the so-called convention really is.

    Maybe that was the point. Make pure and utter nonsense seem somehow real by putting it against enough of a spectacle and accompanied by enough hypnotic devices (“you are getting very gullible…”) that people might actually believe any of the partially refined banana oil these hacks are peddling.

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/rnc-tampa-night-one-12158408

    On RNC Opening Night, Republicans Dare to Build a Lie

    [[ They don't care that they lie. They don't care that their lies are obvious. They don't care that their lies wouldn't fool an underpaid substitute Social Studies teacher in a public middle school, who would then probably go out one night and get yelled at by Chris Christie. ("They believe in teacher's unions. We believe in teachers," he said in his speech. Yeah, you just don't believe in paying them.) They don't care that their history is a lie and that, by spreading it, they devalue the actual history of the country, which is something that belongs to us. ]]

    (excerpt)

    • Gregg Smith

      That excerpt sure does use the word “lie” a lot without citing one. Get used to Romney/Ryan, you’ll be a lot of them for the next 16 years. 

      • nj_v2

        Desperately hoping to be taken seriously, Greggg lacks even the modicum of intellectual rigor (ha ha, funny to use those words in the same sentence with Greggg) to even read the damn article.

        In the spirit of the Rethuglicon freak show, Greggg must be wearing his little clown suit this week while he’s posting.

        • notafeminista
          • nj_v2

            Greggg has the clown position locked up. Notaposterworhtreading is vying for the job cleaning up after the elephant parade.

            You guys make quite a team.

          • notafeminista

            Do give Prof. Lakoff my regards.

          • nj_v2

            That’s right, go slink off further into lazy irrelevancy. It suits you.

          • notafeminista

            Don’t know who he is do you.

          • Gregg Smith

            Rhymes with..

          • Ray in VT

             http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/2-kicked-out-of-republican-convention-for-alleged-racial-slur-1.935193

          • Gregg Smith

            Interesting Ray but it really doesn’t compare with the ABC incident. I think the evidence is pretty clear that the ABC reporter said what many in the MSM believe. He got caught and was rightfully fired. Journalist have a responsibility but they act like animals. The idiots who got thrown out of the convention do not represent squat. I am assuming you are trying to paint Republicans with that brush but you didn’t say that, you only implied it.

            Again, call me naive, but I don’t equate animals with blacks. I don’t see the racism. I think it all started with Howard Cosell’s harmless comment about monkeys. I don’t get it, what do monkeys have to do with blacks. People got all upset about this but not this. Why?

          • Ray in VT

            I thought that the guy worked for Yahoo, if we’re talking about the same guy that is.  I have to wonder why people don’t smarten about about these sorts of statements.  If you’ve got a mic on, then don’t say anything that you don’t want broadcast.

            Now, you say that the reporter just said what you think that many in the media believe?  Do you buy that argument on Todd Akin?  You seemed fairly against that sort of sentiment when it was raised last week.

            I don’t think that the actions of those two morons are representative of the GOP at large, but not racist?  They chucked stuff at a black lady and called her an animal.  I didn’t mean to imply anything.  I merely meant to bring to the attention of everyone that while people are yelling about the Yahoo guy here I did not see a reference to this incident.

            I suppose that there’s nothing racist about portraying President Obama as a monkey, despite the vast history of racists portraying people of African descent as monkeys.  I think that it is naive.

          • Gregg Smith

            Regarding Akin, I do not believe very many people believe rape does not cause pregnancy. At the same time. I don’t think it’s a surprise the Republican platform is pro-life.
            Is this racist?http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushchimplookalikes.htm

          • Ray in VT

            I would hope that many do not share his biological interpretation.  Do you watch Colbert?  He had a nice segment on it Tuesday night.  It was pretty funny.

            I don’t think that it is a surprise that the GOP is pro-life, but I think that it does surprise some the very absolutist line that the party is taking on the issue.

            So to your last question, you’re not going to like my response, but I would say that it is not.  I remember that being titled “curious Georges” when I saw it.

            Now my reasoning as to why it is not racist. There has not been a long, horrible tradition of comparing Caucasians to monkeys in terms of them being some sort of sub-human, such as how the Nazis often animalized the Jews.  If there was a long history of denigrating white people with images like this:

            http://oldhickorysweblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/confederate-heritage-month-april-2-anti.html

            then I think that I would say yes it was.  Given that historical context, I do not think that it is racist.  For instance, look at how East Asians were often depicted, especially the Japanese during the lead up to and during World War II.  They were often portrayed as monkeys or with squinty eyes or buck teeth.  That’s pretty racist.  I’m not sure what a racist depiction of a caucasian would be.

          • notafeminista

            Unfortunately (for him)the Yahoo guy was on an open mic.

            One presumes he is not Republican.

          • Ray in VT

            One would presume.  As I said, I don’t know why people don’t learn about making sure that their mics are off.  The comment was pretty over the line, and I don’t think that it has a place in the public sphere.  It just goes to show that a lot of people will often hang themselves if you give them enough rope.

          • Mouse_2012

            We all know that yahoo news represents all media outlets.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        CNN sent ‘fact check’ warnings as soon as Ryan was finished.

        It turns out the ‘fact checks’ were from leftvwing blogs and Ryan was correct all along. CNN was caught using left wing blogs once again.

        The MSM will soon lose any credibility it had left.

        • Mouse_2012

          objective link please?

        • nj_v2

          Maybe The Worried One, Greggg, and notworthtakingseriously can all get together and read the article cited (they can help each other with the words they don’t understand) and get back to us with something relevant to the article content.

          • Davesix6

            Mouse_2012, nj_v2, shouldn’t you two get going so you’re not late for you’re “Occupy” rally?

          • Mouse_2012

            You seemd to have dropped the 9. Do republicans still do that?

          • nj_v2

            Another illiterate winger making a lame attempt at humor. At least i guess that’s what this is. Why are so many conservatives so ignorant?

        • jimino

          Unfortunately, one literally can not get the truth from any right-wing source.  They are all-in on only relating truthiness. 

          And if you are familiar with them perhaps you can point out which ones details the amount of prison time being advocated by Republicans for anyone getting or assisting a woman in getting an abortion at the earliest stages of pregnancy.  Now THAT would be newsworthy.

        • Don_B1

          Maybe this link will have sufficient conservative credentials:

          http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz250USvhfS

          I would think that if it was on Fox News you would accept it as true?

          The words called out by the post title are “Dazzling,” “Deceptive” and “Distracting.” Those are also the three commandments that must be followed to be a good con man.

        • Steve__T

           What about your favorite FOX, Excerpt from politiscoop:

           Paul Ryan is a devoted disciple of an ideology who
          is more concerned with winning than with being truthful or accurate
          when speaking to the American people. In Ryan’s mind, the end justifies
          the means, which was the same mindset communists had as they watched
          their entire world collapse when they clung to their communist beliefs.

           The changes Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want to make are sweeping;  shut
          down the government, enact a flat tax, and choose war before seeking
          peace, and they have not been working. While Paul Ryan may be a student
          of both Marx and Friedman, he fails to realize that they are not science
          but religion, a religion that makes normally smart and practical people
          do really stupid and confused things. (Just watch last night’s speech
          for proof of really stupid and confused)

           The bottom line is this: When Fox News fact checks you and calls you
          out for being a liar, then yes, your attempt at winning over America
          was an epic fail.

    • Bruce94

      Yep, I’ve had to guard against the gag-reflex and take this Feast of Wingnuts (a.k.a GOP Convention) in small doses.  Looks like this year we do indeed have a choice.  With the current interation of the GOP, you can pick your poison: 

      –The Tenthers who would use the 10th Amendment as a pretext for rolling back equal rights for racial & ethnic minorities, women & gays and for “taking the country back” to some 19th century libertarian Nirvana

      –The Flat Earthers who employ a bogus faith & family values to undermine one of the core principles in our democracy, separation of church & state

      –The Birthers who engage in a sham patriotism in order to exploit prejudice and spread anti-govt. paranoia

      • notafeminista

        Wow!  What happened to “No Labels”? You have compartmentalized alllll of the “others” so-called.  That is truly a breathtaking display of marginalization.

        • Bruce94

          Thank you, it’s what I do when I witness such a breathtaking marginalization of the truth at the Feast of Wingnuts (a.k.a GOP convention).  Also would you agree this media requires condensing?

  • J__o__h__n

    So far Mitt’s foreign policy experience consists of insulting our closest ally despite their common Anglo Saxon heritage and recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Romney’s foreign policy is to send jobs to countries with slave labor, no environmental policies, and no taxes. When he says the US must be “competitive”, he means we should be like that too

    • notafeminista

      Israel recognizes Jerusalem as its capital.   Everyone else does not.

      • J__o__h__n

        Mitt did.

        • notafeminista

          As he should.  And apologies for sloppy posting.  The international community does not. 

  • Mouse_2012

    Looks like the Republican party does support Akin’s view. Anyone see there platform? No Abortion even if it’s rape.

    • Don_B1

      Or the mother’s life is in danger.

  • nj_v2

    When Dubya speaking at the convention?

    • sickofthechit

       It’s spelled duh-buh.

    • Acnestes

       He isn’t.  I believe he’s considered persona non grata there.

  • Michiganjf

    It’s astounding the degree to which Republicans can’t defend their positions, either for themselves or against Dems, without lying to, exaggerating, or misleading Americans.

    Is EVERYTHING Republicans have to say REALLY so indefensible that they CAN NEVER resort to the truth? 

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Huh?

      • Gregg Smith

        Well said.

      • Bruce94

        Just curious about your handle.  Exactly which country are you worried for?  China or India? :)

        • Steve__T

           You hit the nail on the head Bravo.

      • jimino

        Your response is absolutely perfect!  You have no idea that what you are being told, and apparently believe, is not the truth.  You actually take these buffoons seriously when they rail about how the exact same policies that have been at the core of Republican party for decades are, when advanced by the Obama administration, socialist, Marxist, Godless, etc.?  

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           No, I see a feckless leader.

          Four years without a budget while running up $5T+ in new debt is criminal.

          • StilllHere

            He is not a leader.

    • Mouse_2012

      Most.

      Just notice anytime a republican gets caught lying the first place they now go to is Fox, than Fox complains that the “liberal” media is not covering what Fox is doing which than CNN,MSNBC,NPR etc. than cover the lie in a fake “Fair and Balance” way.

      See Akin for a example ,the welfare thing for another, ryan plan actually increasing the debt and on and on

    • sickofthechit

       ..or facts.

      • Ray in VT

        Well, Stephen Colbert said that facts have a well known liberal bias.  If that is true, then why would one want to allow their campaign be dictated by them?

  • Mouse_2012

    But Romney’s a Mormon and a former Bishop of the Church he wouldn’t Knowingly lie would he?

  • yodel3

    One problem, especially with Republican administrations, is the extent to which they farm out foreign policies to domestic interest groups.  Thus, during Bush II, Cuban Americans headed the Latin American bureaus of the State and Defense Departments, as well as the NSC.  Both parties cede much to Israel, but even Likud could hardly have served Israel’s interest more than did Elliott Abrams.  And Bob Dole’s commitment to Armenian-Americans surely would have caused difficulties with Turkey.
    Would a Romney administration be any different?

  • Matt Wade

    This chart showing the legacy of the Bush era economic policies need to be presented anytime Romney or Ryan speak.

    http://www.cbpp.org/research/index.cfm?fa=topic&id=121 

    • sickofthechit

       Those charts help me realize that Bush was nothing more than a Bane type operative in loading our country up with mountains of debt from unfunded; wars, tax cuts and Medicare prescription drug benefits.

      Can we expect anything less from the Bane Master himself?

      I know it is supposed to be spelled “Bain”, but Bane seems more accurate reflection of what they were to their targets.

      • Gregg Smith

        Why do you suppose Obama never raised the top rate? Why do Bill Clinton and NAncy Pelosi still oppose it?

    • Gregg Smith

      Not that one again! Please show me where 9/11 and the bursting dot com bubble were factored in that static analysis. It’s like saying  a company can just raise prices and project the surpluses for a decade, never mind the business is in the dumper without customers. They can then say their cut prices, which are the only thing working, are the chief drivers of their deficit. It’s silly. 

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Once again pigeonholed by Romney/Obama, we’ve missed the boat of both preserving the American Experiment, and substantive Reform for the people.

    http://www.campaignforliberty.org/about

    • sickofthechit

      I went to your site and noted that you all want to “return” to the Constitution.  Maybe you could tell us what the “General Welfare Clause” means to your group. I personally believe it means we should have Universal Health Care.

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        And I believe it means Universal comfort food Fridays….Universal electric cars…..

        Limited government. Free markets to pursue what we want/need. Enforce rules against fraud and corruption, competition will keep prices closest to reality. If reality is very expensive, we have to make some choices. Real Life.

        The argument for direct payment for basic doctor service, as we did before HNO boom, then buying catastrophic insurance is quite compelling for bringing primary care cost back to reality.

        You can deal with health care concerns in a free society without necessarily having the government run and mandate it. Just have to think about it, and not be ideologically wed to the dream of a benevolent, efficient, bottomless pockets government coming to the rescue.

        The D-R partisans and parties as always, play the black and white, political war dynamic, that is devoid of true substance, and serve to distract from the systemic corruption they continue to aid and abet for their true masters. If anyone thinks Dems are free of this, I’m very sorry for your condition.

  • Matt Wade

    Fox News isn’t even buying Ryan’s lies. He has zero credibility now. Good luck with your future in politics, or lack thereof.

    http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politics/wisconsin-politics/1502-sorry-paul-ryan-even-fox-news-isn-t-buying-it.html 

    • Steve__T

      When Fox news calls out Ryan’s lies I can’t but wonder what if any double takes the Republicants did?
      I don’t think they were listening to his speech being so busy constantly chanting USA, USA. It was sad.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    “This chart showing the legacy of the Bush era economic policies need to be presented anytime Romney or Ryan speak.”

    Because they are so substantively different from the Clinton, Obama, Summers, Rubin, Geithner, Paulson, Bernanke Corporate Banking State proponents we continue to serve now?

    • J__o__h__n

      Dave’s back. 

      • DrewInGeorgia

        Apparently with a fully charged battery on board. yay.

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          Good to see all my fellow serfs (in denial) again.

          • nj_v2

            Where’s the shilling for R.P., Leather Dave? There’s still hope, you know.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          And with a new handle! Someone should tell Dave that nothing scares away the foot traffic like a failed business which advertises itself, like Dave, as “Under Old Management”.

  • Matt Wade

    Mark Twain said, “The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!”

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Now take your truth/lies crusade to the Central Bankers who fuel all the great swindles perpetrated by both Financial charlatans and misguided, vote-grubbing Government programs/agencies with debt on the back of the everyman, and get back to us with what you find.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Goebbels is smiling in hell over the success of his “Big Lie” legacy.

      Plan to destroy medicare – say you will save it.

      Express dismay about the big bad debt – offer plans that will increase it.

      Taxes at the top at or near all time lows since 1929 – say we need more tax cuts at the top.

      President says business owners didn’t build the infrastructure that supports their own efforts – say he said they didn’t build their businesses.

      I could list a lot more. They just admitted that their ads aren’t dictated by facts, and they long ago said that their #1 goal was to make Obama a 1 term president. Will the voters ever wake up, or are lies just too powerful with the current nonstop media? We’ll see.

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        Speaking of Goebbels, read you history and open your mind, and take off the partisan blinders and think more about historical reality and manipulation of mass psychology, and of course how it all relates to tyranny, or, nazism, fascism etc.

        I know it complicates the party lines, and impedes the fun of the bickering kids slumber party here but….. some folks have open minds and will think for themselves…

        http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/hayeknaziism.html

  • Matt Wade

    Romney has hired all of Dubya’s foreign policy advisors. These people are experts in “failing upward”. If you want more unnecessary wars, then vote Mittens.

    • Gregg Smith

      Yea, Obama is such a dove.

      • Matt Wade

        Well, we are in one less war now, thanks to Obama. That’s gotta count for something.

        • Gregg Smith

          Whoa there partner, Obama did not accelerate the withdrawal from Iraq one iota. It was Bush’s SOFA.

          • jimino

            Thank you and G_B_S for pointing out that Obama has essentially followed Bush’s  economic and military policies.

            So remind why you and so many who agree with you are so concerned now but weren’t when the polices were implemented.

          • Gregg Smith

            I am happy with many of the promises broken, so you are correct. Obama was never going to raise taxes or close Gitmo, accelerate the Iraq withdrawal and end military tribunals. It was never going to happen and many of us knew it, that’s why we were so flabbergasted so many believed it. 

            “Don’t deal in things that aren’t real. Don’t get yourself worked up about something that isn’t gonna happen. We got real things to get worked up about here. But closing Gitmo isn’t gonna happen. It is not gonna happen. It is not going to happen. They’re not gonna close Gitmo.”

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Remember who got us into iraq?

          • Gregg Smith

            Yes, Sadaam Hussein.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Hahaha. I know he was Reagan’s ally, but I didn’t know he could command US forces. A very powerful man.

            http://mostcorrupt.com/Rumsfeld-Saddam.jpg

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Pfft. Hilarious.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Like Obama hired all of Bush’s Financial Ones, or worse?

      You will hurt yourself trying to find differences that don’t exist.

  • Matt Wade

    staring at a faded obama poster is better than the naughty things Ryan does with his Ayn Rand novels. Gross.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Kind of like a sticky communist manifesto?

  • Bruce94

    Since the would-be Outsourcer-in-Chief doesn’t have a credible core of beliefs regarding domestic issues, why would we assume he has anything approaching a coherent world view? 

    Understanding that Romney has reversed himself in a matter of minutes on abortion rights, gay rights, stem-cell research, gun control, individual health ins. mandates, immigration reform, global warming, cap & trade, and anti-tax pledges, why would a foreign emissary (friend or foe) sitting across from him at the negotiating table, trust or respect anything this political chameleon has to offer?

  • J__o__h__n

    Ryan doesn’t think for himself.  He swallowed Rand and Heyak whole. 

    • Mouse_2012

      omitting Rand atheism and cheating and Heyak use of SS.

      • J__o__h__n

        The one thing in which Rand was correct. 

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          the fact that you guys can’t read and understand how Hayek could have limited government and liberty-centric views, and yet still see a role for basic safety net provisions, shows how naive and Dem/Rep partisanly you like to view the world.

          • J__o__h__n

            Go away Dave.  I’m tired of your condescending cult follower replies. 

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            and we are tired of you substance-free replies, never addressing the facts of the discussion, and 
            DNC worship.

          • J__o__h__n

            I’m very critical of the Democrats and Obama.  Say one thing critical of Ron Paul. 

            I always address the facts of the discussion.  I don’t attempt to cram a simplistic cult one solution to every problem into every response.  I probably argue with Gregg three times a day here but don’t resort to the you aren’t as enlightened as I am garbage responses you favor. 

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Dave probably thinks the Weathermen, Ken Kesey, and Abbie Hoffman were DNC members.

            That’s what happens when one’s worldview depends never crossing the idea that “Dems and the GOP are the same thing”.

          • Government_Banking_Serf

            If you truly want radical socialistic solutions,just come out and say it and make the case. I’m just sticking up for the Constitutional, Limited Government case, which while becomingthoroughly corrupted, in part due to a citizentrythat has been too engaged in consuming to self-govern, remains the most succesfulmodel on earth for a diverse people, opportunity and dynamism.

            See how radical and narrow-minded I am?

  • Matt Wade

    Tom and Jack, please do your journalistic duty and comment on Ryan’s numerous lies.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      http://www.npr.org/2012/08/30/160293856/ryan-tells-gop-delegates-u-s-needs-a-turnaround

      Listen to this report please — Paul Ryan has to be corrected by the reporter Mara Liasson on virtually every policy point — Mr. Ryan is a lying liar who lies…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Wow. When Mara (Not Ashamed to Be A Fox Chew Toy) Liasson is telling a rightie “stop lying” to his face, that’s something.

        • BHA_in_Vermont

           That’s for sure. Now let’s see if Mona Charen can be gutsy enough to do likewise. At some point, even the apologists have to gag on lies.

          • Gregg Smith

            Next thing you know Juan Williams will be criticizing Ann Romney on Fox… wait a minute…

      • Gregg Smith

        Mara Liaison works for Fox, she cannot be trusted.

        • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

           If you think that you can blindly apply rules like that, then that is your problem.

          Her report on NPR (that I linked to) coincides with many other sources — including Fox, actually — that Mr. Ryan’s speech was chock full of lies.

          Neil

          • Gregg Smith

            Neil, my apologies. I am getting overly snarky as my patience runs thin. I try to avoid that. I love mara Liaison and think Fox has very good journalist. It’s hard not to point it out when Fox news correspondents are lauded. I did the same thing with Katty Kay on another thread.

            Oh, the “lies”:

            http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            Mara Liasson has worked for NPR a lot longer than at Fox.  There are at least four “fact checking” sources that along with Ms. Liasson confirm that Mr. Ryan was lying all through his speech.

            Apology accepted; if you felt it was needed.

            Neil

          • Gregg Smith

            The fact checkers are wrong. CNN had to apologize.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            *All* of the fact checkers are wrong?  I think not.

            Neil

  • Mouse_2012

    Two people were kicked out of the Republican National Convention Tuesday for “deplorable” behaviour after they reportedly threw peanuts at a black CNN camera operator, saying: “This is how we feed animals.”Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/2-kicked-out-of-republican-convention-for-alleged-racial-slur-1.935193#ixzz252SPF2T6

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       It would be interesting to know who they were and what were their motivations.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        I’ll bet that their guard was down because they had spent a couple days among their fellow Republicans. The internal governor of behavior just went out the window.

        I’m surprised it took so long and it was so mild. But there are weeks and weeks of “loyalty oath” “town halls” for the GOP to hold, yet.

        • notafeminista

          You can always hope.

  • J__o__h__n

    Thanks for debunking Ryan, Jack.  It will save me a lot of typing!

    • DrewInGeorgia

      I know right? I find myself wondering if I’m imagining things, an almost straight talk intro from Tom and Jack talking sense. Definitely a departure from the past several weeks, bout’ time.

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    “The right to rise”
    Who has risen and who has fallen under trickle down economics?
    It is the right for SOME to rise, especially those who have already risen.

  • Matt Wade

    Republicans cannot win running on the Truth. That’s why they have to lie, lie, lie.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Hey Jack, how do you like the timing shuffling? Kind of like saying the Tea Party came after Obama, when it actually rose up under Bush!

    Two can and will play at that game. And your shocked? What a joke all this, and the career pundits are.

    • notafeminista

      Well, or maybe Pres. Clinton.   I will stipulate that Wikipedia is only as accurate as it is.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

      • BHA_in_Vermont

         Given how easily it can be changed, I wouldn’t put faith in any entry that involves controversial topics.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          Pretty much all the bi-curious folk are gone from the Tea Party. AmericanGrace.org says it’s been 80% fundies since about 2009 or so.

          That means that all the xenophobia, racism, misogyny and gay/lesbian hating one expects from the right-wing base is there. And suckered into doing the bidding of a bunch of lobbyists, to boot.

  • DrJoani

    Since when, in truth, did the grads come home to live?
    Wayyy back in time, in the 80′s– if not before then.
    And why is this country suddenly expected to provide jobs to graduates? Some  refuse to work in “demeaning”positions.
    Much better to go back home where there’s a room and free hot meals.

    • notafeminista

      I would hope, that at the age of 22, after having graduated college, one no longer expects free meals.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mccollumkevin Kevin McCollum

    If Mitt wins I hope the Dems have the guts to do to him what the Republicans did to Obama. Obstruct everything, give them a dose of their own medicine and then maybe after 2016 we get back to being one country with two parties that compromise. Republicans like to say Obama’s policies have failed. They have never been tried so how could they fail. We have lived under obstructionism for 3 1/2 years.

    • sickofthechit

       The Dems in congress don’t have the nerve to actually make the Repuginicans mount even one actual filibuster, so don’t count on them to be obstructionists.  We need to win back the House and strengthen the Senate.

  • TinaWrites

    “FREEDOM is just another word for”… FRACKING WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT REGULATIONS PROTECTING THE WATER SUPPLY!

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      What a lazy and cynical attitude.  Such notions to so easily give up, or fail to even understand historically what freedom/tyranny means, especially in the face our our current banking takeover of government, as opposed to representative self-government (mainly because most folks don’t give two shizzles these days about understanding history or monetary issues and the links to tyranny), is very depressing, and, even more depressingly, predictable.

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        You would trade our freedom, for an empty promise of a great “green” future.

        The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

        Does that mean we don’t have good intentions? Shouldn’t have good values? Shouldn’t make wise and ethical personal and economic decisions? Of course not. But the ends don’t justify the means.

        Handing over power and sovereignty to technocrats, bankers and military folks always ends badly, REGARDLESS OF THEIR GOOD INTENTIONS AND THE GULLIBILITY OF THOSE WHO PUT FAITH IN THEM. Power corrupts, always had always will.  

        Best solution is most power to people, least to institutions of any sort. THAT was the American experiment, that is what “freedom” and “liberty” is all about. Not “free lunch” or freedom from want or scarcity, or responsibility to self govern.

        We are reaping what we have sown as a spoiled and debt-based culture that has deluded itself trusting corrupt technocrats and financial charlatans in government and business.

        Have they delivered? Have they enriched themselves? Who will shoulder the consequences? Do they care about party labels?

        • Steve__T

           I think your preaching to the choir.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            Don’t interrupt him in front of his favorite audience!

      • TinaWrites

        Sorry to disillusion you, but on an almost daily basis I study the history of our country especially regarding slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, and the displacement of Native Americans.  I usually call this activity ‘doing my genealogy’.  

        The economics of slavery is particularly pertinent because of parallels with today’s world, and because so many young scholars are bringing such terrific tools and insight into this area of scholarship.  

        Monetary policy:  you’ve got me there.  But, it DOES seem like “monetary policy” is the new “cover-up phrase” and fixation that the Republicans are pushing to obfuscate the financial shenanigans they participated in that brought down our economy, especially because they seem to be hoping that these same shenanigans will not get regulated.

        Gotta get ready to go to chemo.  Oh….but I forgot:  I’ve been told that I don’t want the government telling me what to do!  How could I forget?!  I’ve gotta get my brain back in gear:  They can’t MAKE me accept the Medicare payments that help pay for the chemo!!!

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          My best thoughts to you.

          Is it possible that looking always through the lens of oppression and the darker sides of human nature, which is/has been very real, is coloring your view of whether we can “handle” freedom?

          The Constitution is a friend of the oppressed and discriminated. It may not be instant in delivering justice, but it is the best we have.

          Freedom and Limited government does not “allow”, sanction or encourage racism, oppression, or illegal activities against people. One of the main purposes of the limited government, is to protect the individuals freedom, and it does.

          We evolve as a people, government or not. Thankfully, norms and generations change.

          That does not mean that the core principles and reference point of Constitutionally limited Government, that protects the peoples liberty, is no longer need, but exactly the opposite. Tyranny and oppression will never disappear from humanity, and Constitutional Limited government will remain the best protection against it.

          Socialistic economic policies or models are a different kettle of fish, and if Our Constitutional, limited Government won’t allow it, we are likely better off in the long term.

          Of course we are free as citizens and states to experiment with communes, clinics, insurance pools, single payer models etc etc, but that should not be confused with the wise role for Federal Government, and its limitations, the founders laid out.

          Is the fiscal crisis and its generation not a convincing story of government power and head-turning, mixed with finance technocratic experimentation tyranny?

          Read Reckless Endangerment and Bailout.

          Our Federal Government serves the Banking and Finance crowd, and the Central Bank policies of the last decades gave them all the fuel. We know who profited and who is suffering.

          D&R politicians and finance folks winning, “the people”, yes, “We, the People” that so many barf at these days, are losing.

          Read the Ron Paul type stuff about banking and finance if you honestly want to expand your thinking about tyranny, power and oppression, not just in the past but in the present and future.

    • sickofthechit

       Right Arm Tina, Right Arm!  And don’t forget that they really don’t understand the long term effects of the chemicals and incredible pressures they are subjecting the underlying layers to.

  • Mouse_2012

    Condi and F.P.? why do the republicans pick failures to speak for them?

    She sounded like a Robot

    • DrewInGeorgia

      That’s because she is.

      • StilllHere

        A woman-hater and a racist.  You guys are truly sick puppies.

        • Mouse_2012

          projection much?

        • DrewInGeorgia

          She’s got zero personality. That makes her a Robot in my book. There was nothing either misogynistic or racist implied.

          Spin On.

          • StilllHere

            You are a racist pure and simple. 

          • DrewInGeorgia

            Guess if I said that I “Once dated a black girl” and that “I have black friends” I’d be golden right? Thank goodness none of The Talking Heads on display this week are racist.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            I, for one, enjoy the GOP’s quadrennial focus on their minuscule numbers of people of color.

            They might as well say, “Hey, America, meet my black friend”!

            And have you heard Lindsay Graham? His latest “gaffe” is the truism, “The demographics race we’re losing badly. We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in
            business for the long term.”

          • Gregg Smith

            Racist don’t usually date or associate with blacks.

          • Steve__T

             And your and Idiot trying to start a fight with a lie. 

    • StilllHere

      Wow, how racist can you be?

      • Mouse_2012

        Racist against robots?

        your comment makes no sense.

        • StilllHere

          Being stupid is not a good excuse.

          Your criticism of Condi is entirely race based.  Have you no shame?

          • Steve__T

             So stop being stupid, posting crap calling someone racist with out any facts, no one mentioned race but you.

          • Gregg Smith

            If I may (with regards to StilllHere), That’s the point. The left has labeled everyone and their brother a racist with zero evidence. 

  • sickofthechit

    Fact: We live on a limited resource in the middle of nowhere.
     
    The Republicans see that and think Drill, Drill, Drill! Strip, Strip, Strip!
    The Dems see that and think we need to better prepare for the future.

    I’m sticking with the Dems, though my Presidential vote will be meaningless (Kentucky!) Charles A. Bowsher

    • Brandstad

      This says it all!

      • Mouse_2012

        no it doesn’t

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        What, we’re just posting random un-fact based crap now?

        Bub, that doesn’t make it “satire”.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Here’s one from realityworld and the Miami Herald.

        http://assets.amuniversal.com/34f20770d441012fe4df001dd8b71c47

  • J__o__h__n

    It looks like a war mongering fantasy land is the subject of the second hour as well today.

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    Romney’s “tough talk” on Iran is dangerous and unacceptable.

    • Brandstad

      You are right; we should have sent flowers and teddy bears to show our love for the country that has promised to wipe Israel off the map!

  • TribalGuitars

    Romney seems to think we’re living in 1983 and not 2013. In his mind Iran and Russia are our biggest threats and to face down those threats he and Ryan want to steal money from those that need it most by slashing entitlements and giving the Defense Dept billions of dollars more that they asked for. These are “fiscal hawks” that are going to get this country back on track? Back on track to overspending and unfunded wars, maybe, but nothing else.

  • Mouse_2012

    We see why Ron Paul was disinvited from speaking.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Because he would undermine the establishment GOP and neocon program.  Unfortunately, to get any traction, and any audience to share his ideas (primary debates) he has to tether himself to GOP, which nominally should support his views, not the modern state capitalism/militaristic pawn it, and the DNC, have become.

  • RolloMartins

    Can we please stop pretending?? Romney has no “worldview.” He has proved he will say anything to get elected.

    • Brandstad

      And this is different than the Hop and Change smoke and mirrors candidate we elected last round how?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        I’m digging how many right-wingers now say candidate Obama had so much promise and potential in 2008.

        It’s like listening, in 1946, to the 100 million Frenchman who so totally spent WWII in the French Resistance.

  • Matt Wade

    Is Osama Bin Laden dead? Yes. Is America’s standing in the world improved? Yes. Is foreign policy as losing argument for Republicans? Yes.

    • Brandstad

      Did Obama use intel gained from interrogation techniques he opposed during the Bush administration to get Osama? Yes
       
      Did Obama call of the Osama raid 3 times before he put his big boy pants on and said yes? Yes
       
      Do foreign leaders respect an American president who bows to them? NO  Did Obama bow to multiple foreign leaders? YES
       

      • BHA_in_Vermont

        Did GWB ever get close to Bin Laden? NO.

        Calling off a raid when you aren’t certain of the facts is smart. Invading a country on uncertain Intel is not.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Your “bowing” crap is pathetic. How many photos of GOP presidents bowing to foreign leaders and dignitaries do I need to link to?

        This is what happens when you, Branny, think you’re getting a balanced media diet.

  • Mouse_2012

    Stop settlement building. OMG what an unpresidented call.

    Didn’t the WH promise arms to Israel and ended up giving them money anyways?

  • Matt Wade

    From latest CNN poll: Obama has a 51%-44% advantage over Romney on foreign policy and a 50%-43% margin over the former Massachusetts governor on terrorism.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    Mr. Romney won’t get my vote — he has ignored the facts, and he has lied repeatedly, often on both sides of an issue.

    Facts are not pesky and inconvenient things — they cannot be ignored.

    Neil

    • Gregg Smith

      Well, I disagree but if that’s your criteria then you are in a pickle. You obviously cannot vote for Obama.

      • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

         Gregg,  when has President Obama ignored facts?

        Neil

        • Gregg Smith

          How about Obamacare not being deficit neutral, a top rate tax hike will not generate significant revenue, the Cambridge police department did not act stupidly, Congressional approval is required to invade, a budget is required by law, nobody cares that he is half black, reconciliation is a budget matter not a way to ram through Obamacare, after 4 years of raging wars and tax cuts the deficit was $162B in 2007, the unemployment rate went down for 52 months after Bush’s tax cuts, revenues went up over a half trillion in the same period, businesses do build their own businesses, Medicare is going bankrupt and he would not have gotten Bin Laden without the very methods he condemned…. to name a few. 

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

             “Obamacare” saves a lot of money (over a trillion?), according to the GAO.  So, you are not citing a fact.

            Your second “fact” contains a modifier — please define “significant”!  So, you are not citing a fact.

            Third — another point of opinion.  So, you are not citing a fact.

            What invasion are you citing?  Did Bush have Congressional approval for either Afghanistan or Iraq?  So, you are not citing a fact.

            Any so-called deficit hawk who only started “worrying” about the debt in 2009 is a hypocrite.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/28/republican-national-convention-the-one-graph-you-need-to-see-before-watching/

            Despite what you may assume, I hardly agree with everything that President Obama has done.

            Can you cite EVEN ONE policy position that Romney has taken that he has not ALSO taken the OTHER side of at another time in his career?  Just one…

            Neil

          • Gregg Smith

            Obamacare is not deficit neutral according to CBO. It’s a fact.

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203609204574314622075560890.html

            By significant, I mean more than a thimble full in an ocean or a grain of and in the Sahara. It is a fact the revenue generated would not solve squat and the action ignores the fact that revenue could actually go down.

            The cambridge police did their job, Obama gave a knee jerk reaction. He did not even look at the facts before he spoke. He admitted as much. That is ignoring facts.

            Bush indeed had congressional approval for both actions. Obama did not in Libya. It’s a fact.

            I’m tempted to list a couple dozen more but you’ve barely scratched my list and struck out on the ones you attempted. It surprises me that you seem unaware of these events. I suggest better news sources. 

            Now that you’ve moved on from “ignoring facts” and “lies” (I didn’t even go there, the list is too long) to flip-flops, I’ll remind you about Obama’s stand on gay marriage, no lobbyist, closing gizmo, military tribunals and accelerating the withdrawal in Iraq. 

            I appreciate your trying to back away from your comment but my reply merely pointed out Obama has done what you accuse Romney of so you are not being honest with your criteria. It’s ideology. Assume Romney is the devil and has flip-flopped and lied about all you claim. Obama is is still worse.You wrote what you wrote, how could you vote for him?

  • Mouse_2012

    Free Trade outsourced millions of american jobs.

    Human rights, the WH,congress was nearly silent on Baharin and supported Saudi Arabia after it banned protest with the threat of death for stability”

    Drones-The Republicans support them

  • Michiganjf

    China has negotiated 9 free trade agreements while the U.S. has negotiated one????!!!

    Maybe it was time for China to play catch up!!!

    MORE MISLEADING ATTACKS ON OBAMA!!!

    COULD THAT BE BECAUSE THE U.S. ALREADY HAS FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS WITH PRETTY MUCH ALL KEY TRADING PARTNERS, WHICH IT ACCOMPLISHED WHILE CHINA SPENT DECADES CLOSED OFF IN A BOX?????

  • Mouse_2012

    Pretty much Obama has “stayed the course” with Bush’s F.P. and Romney views are far more in line than the republicans want to admit. Hench the reason it’s been so hard for the republicans to attack him on it.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    There is a disturbing tactic by the left this campaign cycle.
    Jack just fell into it.

    They write blog posts or cite fact checks and then use those headlines to dispute their opponents argument.  However, when you dig into those fact checks you  find that they have nothing to do with the primary argument.

    This one is particularly egregious.  The first problem is the fact check about the WI GM is wrong.  Yes, they stopped making SUVs in December of 2008 however the plant didn’t close until June of 2009 — well after Obama was President.  However, the point Ryan was making was about another broken Obama promise.  Obama promised the workers of that plant that if he was elected then the plant would be open for another “100 years”.  Of course this was a silly promise.  One of many.

    After the GM plant there are no actual ‘fact check’ problems.  Perhaps there is hypocrisy — like with the Bowles-Simpson but it isn’t ‘factual errors’.  The left tries to argue hypocrisy with Ryan and Simpson-Bowles but it is a weak argument.  Yes, Ryan did vote SB down but he praised it.  His major problem was it didn’t address the biggest debt driver — health care.  He feels strongly that we should be reforming health care along with the other reforms.

    Jack, I expect better.

    • Mouse_2012

      Link please?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         There are many sources — there is even a wikipedia page on the Jainsville plant that lays out the timeline.

        Do you agree that the Simpson-Bowles deal isn’t a ‘fact check’ but a totally different complaint?
        Isn’t it wrong for Jack and the left wing blogs to conflate possible hypocrisy with factual errors?

        • sickofthechit

          Possible hypocrisy?  Ryan voted against or walked away from Simpson-Bowles, then has the gall to criticize President Obama for not signing it when he said from the beginning he would not support it if it didn’t get at least 14 votes from the committee.  It only got 11 votes from the committee members.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             OK, I’ll spell out the big picture for you.  Ryan left the Simpson-Bowles commission and then tried to implement Simpson-Bowles+health care reform.

            Obama went silent.

            Further, it is the President’s duty to lead on this issue.  He has a unique responsibility to lead the entire country.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            And the WATBs in the GOP threw tantrums until all the adults noticed.

            One can’t lead the anti-governance GOP, the most obstructionist congress ever.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Harry Reid!!!!

        • Mouse_2012

          You made a claim, saying there’s many links doesn’t prove it.

    • Gregg Smith

      Nice analysis. I would like better from Jack for my money but I don’t expect it.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Thanks.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GYOKNNUKGSRTSA4RNFMUJRO5WE Greg

       Glad an SUV factory closed.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Jack has a job to do. Like so many posters. Rational thought, discussion, historical reality, etc etc have no place.

  • AlanThinks

    Woe to the world if Romney is elected and hawks like these are driving US foreign policy.

  • Mouse_2012

    There’s no devastating cuts in defense. A 5% increase is not a cut anywhere except for Wastington I guess.

    While the republicans want americans to cut back on safty nets while increase the Military defense spending? what’s wrong with this picture?

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    Romney has credibility on foreign policy?

    Neil

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Maybe he’ll get the Nobel Prize — -for doing nothing.

      • Matt Wade

        Get over it.

      • sickofthechit

         I guess you think Bush should have gotten it instead?

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           No.

      • StilllHere

        Blame the cult of low expectations, and even lower accomplishments.  On the same basis, he “deserved” all the Nobel Prizes awarded that year and every one since.

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    Oh, so big government is OK IF spending supports defense jobs?

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Are we still engaging in and accepting the black and white, Democratic/Republican being legitimate parties of any real truth or reform, arguing? You are smarter than that.

      Defense happens to be a core Constitutional obligation of Government. By all means, fight against adventurism and corporate market opening wars, etc, as Ron Paul types do, but unless you are going the Kumbaya route, what does this partisan banter serve?

  • Matt Wade

    Why is the defense department exempt for the “family budget” metaphor the GOP keeps making? Oh right, they don’t believe in shared sacrifice. Crush the poor and sick at so the wealthy and the military can maintain their position.

    • J__o__h__n

      Maybe there are some gun nut families who spend lots of money on guns and give grandma a voucher. 

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      You’re missing the point. Of course dump the establishment GOP, just like DNC. Ron Paul types are the only choice if you want real military/foreign policy reform.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GYOKNNUKGSRTSA4RNFMUJRO5WE Greg

    Who was that idiot that wants to spend more on the military but cut entitlements?

    I’m sure he was a criminal elite whose pockets get lined.

  • Mouse_2012

    Per the CIA Iran is not seeking the bomb
    Per Mosad Iran is not seeking the bomb
    Per the U.S. backed leadership in the IAEA there no proof that Iran is seeking the bomb

    Per International Law Israel threats to bomb Iran is against International law and in a clear violation of it

  • snuzzle

    Reagan said he would be tough on Iran, then he sold them weapons in secret. He sent troops to Lebanon, then pulled them out right after they were attacked. I wouldn’t say the world felt he meant what he said.

  • sickofthechit

    My bumper sticker offering for the day

    REPUBLICANS; HYPOCRITES? or
    SCHIZOPHRENIC HYPOCRITES?

    Charles A. Bowsher

  • Matt Wade

    The cognitive dissonance of the GOP is unreal. I really think it is the primary cause of Alzheimer’s. Holding two contradictory viewpoints at the same time for such a long period destroys your brain.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GYOKNNUKGSRTSA4RNFMUJRO5WE Greg

    My bumper sticker offering for the day

    REPUBLICANS
    WE ARE GOING TO SLIT YOUR THROATS
    VOTE FOR US IN 2012
     

    • sickofthechit

       I’m locking my doors.

  • TribalGuitars

    Why do Republicans seem to think that Defense Dept spending as a jobs program? The speaker also keeps trying, unsuccessfully, to make it sound as it the sequestration is all on Obama, and that the $500B cut hasn’t been recommend by the Debt Commission.

    No dept wants cuts, but the US spends more than the next two dozen nations combined, most of which were not at war, have bases in, and and could support their own military needs without our constant aid.  How much do we spend being the world’s policeman (the UN certainly isn’t doing their job there) and the world’s dirtywork when the concerned parties don’t want to get directly involved. 

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Guess you have to stop supporting Democrats 
      AND Republicans…..

    • sickofthechit

       Actually I think it was the “Repugnicans” in congress who put in the sequestration clause.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    “Do you see President Obama apologizing for America”?

    Tom, you are allowed to unsuccessfully stifle a giggle when needing to ask an obviously-answered, yet stupid, question based on right-wing media invention.

  • Barrt

    No questioning whatsoever of the unilateral war and invasion of a foreign country on totally false charges that led to the tens of thousands of American casualties and the murder of over a million innocent Iraqis, and which is a major factor in the financial straights we’re in.  Instead, Mitchell Reiss is given the stage to put forward to spin the same old militarism.  What good Germans we are!  We don’t give a shit about murder of other people done in our name. 

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    The entitled rich man thinks the USA is entitled to be “in charge” .
    I recognized that the next “great country” will be in Asia LONG before Obama became President. LONG before GWB became president.

    Look at history and watch the powerful countries move from Asia to Europe to the USA. Look at the money, look at which countries have expanding power and which have contracting power.

    Romney is an idiot if he thinks the USA will continue to be the most powerful country in the world ‘forever’ due to his leadership, or anyone else’s. Spending our resources and money being the “policeman to the world” will only hasten the decline.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Money? The fact that you don’t even know what made America “great” and respected and a destination for real, regular people for so long, is very depressing.

      Hint: Freedom and opportunity, protected by a Constitution and participatory Self-Government, not the same old state failures, tyranny, mass corruption or serfdom as most of the world.

      You can either fight to restore that, or for some weird reason argue we should become more like the failed models and values.

      • Thinkin5

        There is a great contradiction in the right’s “freedom and opportunity” platform. Apparently the right hand doesn’t know that the extreme right hand is busy undermining people’s freedoms. i.e. marraige, reproductive rights, voting rights, etc.
        Re: corruption and serfdom, those evils are all motivated by greed for profits and power. With the new-Capitalists, the ends always justify the means. Please avert your eyes or you will be accused of being anti-capitalism.

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          that’s what sound money libertarians are for. Out of money control, out of bedrooms.

  • Thinkin5

    So far, the Republican convention has been a collection of contradictions. Love, anger, “we’re right, you’re wrong”, America isn’t great now but WILL BE again if the party of the extreme rightwing is in the White House. We love FREEDOM!! but we’ll let you know who you can marry and what happens to your uterus, who can vote. I only see them attempting to fool the public with what their real agenda is. If they manage to win they will continue changing the rules of gov. and our laws to make freedom impossible. The main driver for the right is FEAR. They are afraid of everything.

    • Bruce94

      Well said.  Yes, it looks like this year we do indeed have a choice.  With the current interation of the GOP, you can pick your poison:
       
      –The Tenthers who would use the 10th Amendment as a pretext for rolling back equal rights for racial & ethnic minorities, women & gays and for “taking the country back” to some 19th century libertarian Nirvana

      –The Flat Earthers who employ a bogus faith & family values to undermine one of the core principles in our democracy, separation of church & state

      –The Birthers who engage in a sham patriotism in order to exploit prejudice and spread anti-govt. paranoia

  • Moses Karugu

     At least another panelist not this lukewarm guy that has no idea how to rebut Romney’s messenger’s spaghetti approach criticizing Obama’s foreign policy.

  • snuzzle

    North Korea sets off a nuke under Bush and this guy says Obama’s policy on North Korea is a failure… WOW

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      When one is a Republican, one’s Birthrighteous quality of StrongOnDefense(TM) can never be taken away.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Why do you hate “our interests”? Why do you have to paint them as evil?  Some Neocons have corrupt, anti-liberty goals, but you MUST have the Ron Paul perspective if you want to talk about these issues, and not just think the choice is NeoCon or Obama

  • Guilfoyle20

    You’re doing a “fine job” of critique-free exposition of the Republican view.  At least you could ask these gentlemen how they can seriously say that Romney has ANY talent for foreign policy in the wake of his recent Euro/MidEast trip?  Insulting Brits, insulting Palestinians, shamefacedly pandering to Israelis…  He was a joke over there!  I know that Republicans have brilliantly figured out how to transfer culpability for their own past mistakes to Democrats, but really – can’t you point out to these folks when they’re being so blatantly hypocritical??

  • Harry Levinson

    Romney’s views on so-called American exceptionalism IS relevant! He was a missionary! He believes in spreading Christian ideals around the world, whether they want them or not!

    • J__o__h__n

      Although he should have been in Vietnam at the time. 

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       As admirable as the Catholics and Christians saving all the polytheists from their “illegitimate” religions.

      Stay home and get a job. If people want to know about “your” religion, they know where to find “you”.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GYOKNNUKGSRTSA4RNFMUJRO5WE Greg

    I’m sick of listening to these lap dogs for the elites lie all the time.

    Why don’t you book some real Americans for some truth?

    • Mouse_2012

      truth has a liberal bias. 
       

    • J__o__h__n

      Robert Reich was on for five minutes yesterday.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GYOKNNUKGSRTSA4RNFMUJRO5WE Greg

         So? I’m talking about having a regular American on as a guest for each show to counter the elite point of view we are fed constantly.

  • Nate Baum

    Wait to do it up Tom… I like how he keeps pressing the Romney Advisor when he says it’s illegitimate about Mormonism’s world view.

  • J__o__h__n

    Romney cares about China taking IP but not China taking jobs. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GYOKNNUKGSRTSA4RNFMUJRO5WE Greg

       You are so right. The rich have the IP so Romney cares.

      People working, Romney wouldn’t spend a thought on them as he’s proven throughout his whole career.

      • J__o__h__n

        During one of the debates he listed off all of the problems we have with China and jobs wasn’t on it. 

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/GYOKNNUKGSRTSA4RNFMUJRO5WE Greg

           Americans better wake up fast because the next wave of jobs leaving this country is already well underway.

          White collar jobs are being done all around the world now for a fraction of what Americans make and the big companies are making their move to use those workers instead of American workers.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            And Bane Capital is working hard to move those jobs.

            The last thing we need at this crucial point is a President who is himself a financial manipulator neck deep in offshoring!

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             That’s not what Deval Patrick says about Bain Capital.

            Ole Deval praises the work Bain does.

            btw – all the public sector pension funds and charities that invest with Bain are very happy for those returns.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Good Party Line response, Worried. Whenever some financial con man screws the USA, you’re supposed to say that it was good for some pension funds. You really got it down.

  • Matt Wade

    Mitchell, the Obama = Muslim and Romney = Mormon comparisons are not the same. Obama isn’t a Muslim! Islam has zero effect on him. Romney is a high ranking bishop in the Mormon cult, I think it will probably has some effect on his decision making and prioritizing.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

       Matt, I’m with you up until the cult part.  To each his own — but it the Reiss dodge was intellectually dishonest.  Now we know what sort of a person he is…

      Neil

  • Call_Me_Missouri

    Whatta pantywaste!  Just answer the question, Mitchell!

  • notafeminista

    To Ray in VT reference a previous post:  Apologies for having a spotty memory.  Find below the Frontline interview to which I referred, during which Mr. Ritter never makes the actual statement he did not give Iraq a clean bill of health. 

    Also find an interview with Time Magazine from  Sept ’02 during which he does make that statement.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/unscom/interviews/ritter.html

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,351165,00.html

    Probably one of the most interesting things is the two seem to contradict each other.  I’d be interested to hear what you think.

  • Barrt

    Wow!  There you have it.  “This is not an American thing to do.”  Even though people are making decisions based on their religious beliefs, and expecting others to be subjected to those decisions whether they share the same beliefs or not, it is unAmerican to question those beliefs or where they come from.  Talking about American’s age-old “City on the Hill” exceptionalism is absolutely off the table.  Wonderful!  And then he compares asking some accounting for the connections between Romney’s foreign policy and his vaunted Morman faith to someone calling Obama a Muslim!!!  Wow.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      You guys are so rabid and misguided.  As an atheist, who people are making decisions on religious belief and forcing you to join in?

  • TomK_in_Boston

    The real question about Etcha’s foreign policy, besides his love for shipping jobs to foreign countries, is the usual one: are there any wars he doesn’t like? Will he want “his” war, and will it be with Iran, for another in a long series of disasters for the USA?

  • divine582

    Mr. Reiss is apparently unwilling to discuss these issues in a rational, mature manner which is the hallmark of WBUR.
    Any candidate running for the presidency should be expected to answer questions regarding any and all beliefs which would impact the fate of all they would govern.

  • brettearle

    Ok,

    On-Point Nation…..

    Have at it with me….

    I was the one who was on the air, a few minutes ago, linking American Exceptionalism in the Mormon faith to Romney’s tough Jingoistic rhetoric, in Foreign Policy.

    Anyone who doesn’t believe there’s a connection is blatantly naive…..

    It is easy to see why the Republican consultant was furious…..sort of strikes a sensitive chord…Don’t you think?

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      And by this logic, Obama really is a communist? This place is a joke.

      • brettearle

        Does not follow, Buster.

        Increasing taxes on the Rich and trying to resolve the economic stress of the Middle Class has NOTHING to do with Communism.

        A religion which claims that THE GARDEN OF EDEN IS IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI is, indeed, quite TROUBLESOME to many.

        I can’t think of anything more endemic to a man’s moral judgment than his Faith.

        The credo of American Exceptionalism is one of the BASIC tenets of Mormonism.

        A candidate for President, who deeply believes in the American Exceptionalism of the Mormon Church, cannot possibly think in any other terms other than America CAN DO NO WRONG….BECAUSE GOD’S GARDEN OF EDEN IS IN MISSOURI.

        Romney’s jingoistic, saber-rattling, against Russia and Iran, are CLEARLY examples, underneath it all, that AMERICA IS RIGHT, NO MATTER WHAT.

        Regardless of false intelligence, for example, on Iraq.  How wrong?

        Regardless of Cheney’s cherry-picking of CIA intelligence….How wrong?

        And so on… 

        At a time when the world is in turmoil, the LAST THING WE NEED IS SOMEONE WHO IS THE RESURRECTION OF RONALD REAGAN.

        OUR ENEMIES ARE FRACTIONATED, HIDING IN DARK -SHADOW, AL QAEDA-ALLEY WAYS…

        THERE IS NO LONGER ONE EVIL EMPIRE.

        There are numerous clan adversaries –in many possible asymmetric conflicts….

  • Mouse_2012

    how can I get to the GOT 2nd hour show?

    • J__o__h__n

      It will be on at 7:00 tonight.

      • Mouse_2012

        cool thanks,

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LTAJN7BFS2JZN3O2425TK4T3OU rogier

    Yuk, Reiss says that bringing up Romney’s Mormon faith is unAmerican and ‘the same’ as saying Obama is a muslim and Ashbrook just swallows it? Can’t you at least correct people when they are spewing lies? This is totally lame, toughen up for truth’s sake! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/alan.gignoux Alan Gignoux

    A war with Iran would be disastrous! (Romney has already said he will attack in Iran if Iran does not relinquish its nuclear programme) for all the reasons that have been discussed. I would like to see how a cut in taxes (for his friends) social programmes, repeal of Obamacare and stimulus programmes(the austerity plan is working wonderfully in the UK) while the deficit balloons (due to military spending) will sit with the American people? especially after the US military can not control the situation, the body bags pile up but of course Romney’s buddies are getting more obese at the public trough that they so depise

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Bush insisted there was WMD in Iraq.
      Romney insists that there is nuclear bombs in Iran.

      Hmmm…

      Neil

      • Gregg Smith
        • Mouse_2012

          twit twit twit

      • brettearle

        I wish I agreed with you.

        But, there is now credible evidence, from watchdog agencies, indicating that Iran is on the verge of developing nuclear bombs, simultaneously–and that they are closer than anyone realized.

        Call it a lie, if you want–but apparently that underground site, near Teheran, has many centrifuges filled with a high enough percentage of enriched Uranium, to harness more than 1 bomb, in the near future.

        But I do not support a raid, as Romney nearly stated, not just implied, in the Republican primary debates.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           I agree this is a tough issue.  However, Obama has also stated military options are on the table.

          The primary criticism of Obama is he wasn’t strong enough on sanctions — didn’t start them early enough.  Also, he wasn’t supportive of the Green revolution.

          These are valid criticisms but they may not have made any difference.

        • Mouse_2012

          Bull.

          • brettearle

             No Bull.

            Not all such agencies are in the West’s pocket.

            You’re full of Bull. 

          • Mouse_2012

            Nice come back, really proved your point.

            So many sources and credible evidence you provided.  Your just as dishonest as Gregg,

            I call bull once again. Wikleaks revealed the connections of the current IAEA head with the U.S., ISIS if you wish to rely on that head also claimed that Iraq had WMD.

        • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

           We *know* that Israel has nuclear weapons.  We need to let the sanctions on Iran have time to work.  In the end, it seems that nuclear weapons will be seen for what they are: way too big to use in a sane world, and totally ineffective against terrorists.  We are dismantling ours.

          Here’s what I think — the North Korean test was actually a dirty bomb, and we are playing along to let them think they have achieved their goal of showing us their strength.  We need to let Iran go through this process, too.

          I think that nuclear power should be phased out all over the world, because it is a failed energy source — and it then could not be used as cover for a weapons program.  We are working to de-grade super high quality nuclear fuel, and we should just sell medical grade fuel to Iran, so we can keep track of it, and thereby removing another “excuse” for Iran to use as cover.

          A military strike would only postpone things.  Iran already has their centrifuges inside a mountain, so a military “solution” is a fantasy.  We have to deal with them, no matter what happens, so we might as well do it now — and take away their reasons for not trusting us.

          Neil

          • Mouse_2012

            Bret full of crap, hench the lack of credible evidence. “Iranian Watchdogs” have been saying Iran is about to have a Nuke, Eariler in Jan, 2011,2010,2009,2008,2007,2006,2005,2004, back about 30+ years now

      • Brandstad

        Hillory Clinton also said there were WMD in Iraq!

        • Samuel Walworth

          Bush was the PTOUS, not Hillary :)

          • TomK_in_Boston

            ….and a lot of people said there were WMD in iraq, after the intense campaign of lies from the neocons and the cheerleading corporate media.

          • Brandstad

            But if Hilary had said she didn’t agree with Bush or he was using bad information or any other oposition, she could have stopped him by raising a fuss in the media.

        • Mouse_2012

          So?

        • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

          Bush took us to war in Iraq.  They also cooked the whole thing up.  We all know now that the Iraq War was based on a lie.

          Neil

        • Mike_Card

          Stop bothering the grown-ups and go to bed.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        I wonder how many false scare campaigns it takes, with the sat photos with the circles and arrows, before the sheep wake up?

        Maybe iranian motorboats will attack US destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin next?

      • Mouse_2012

        Sadly in the case against Iran the Obama White are attempting to use Bush tactics but the slight difference is that it’s the Media and Congress not the WH attempting to force the U.S. into a war with Iran.

      • William

         Clinton said Iraq had WMD’s and passed the Iraq Liberation Act.

  • Thinkin5

    The Republicans use the cloak of their mom and dad’s rise from immigrants, poor, struggling, to “success” as their heart string tug but the same adjectives applied to people sharing the same struggles today are “slackers and people want something for nothing.” One of the speakers the first night (Christie?) spoke about his father getting an education with the GI BILL!! Totally missing the government helping connection!

    • brettearle

      Well, said.

      Right Wing rhetoric creates the ugly impression that those who are not successful must be lay-abouts, welfare cheats, or slackers.

      That sort of Social Propaganda is simply outrageous.  

      • BHA_in_Vermont

         What else could account for them not being in the 1%. All you have to do is work hard and you’ll make it.

        • Duras

          Do you think Mitt Romney would have become a venture capitalist if he grew up black in the 1950s and 60s and in poverty? 

          There’s not an equal starting line in America.  Individualism only works when the rich support a system that creates equal opportunity.  Get it?

      • Gregg Smith

        I disagree and think it is far more accurate to say Democrats don’t believe a single slacker would ever game the system. 

        • Thinkin5

           Yes, there are always people who game the system. Just like Wall St. There are bad guys but we don’t shut the system down because of them. Millions have been uncovered and people prosecuted in Medicare fraud in the last few yrs. That’s how to combat it.

        • brettearle

          You are utterly full of fertilizer.

          As if there aren’t dozens of factors–unrelated to personal exertion, that determine success.

          Your distorted view is the typical culturally biased, and insensitive attitude, that makes so many proud Americans ashamed to share the same air and soil with you.

          Not all people deserve what they get.

          YOU’RE FULL OF BULL.

          • Steve__T

             Loud applauds!!!

          • notafeminista

            To Steve and Brett and whoever else finds desire and dedication and determination and sacrifice repugnant and who would applaud the lack thereof, who would applaud the inclination to blame one’s family, or environment or the day of week for personal circumstance. To they and everyone else who is repulsed by individual achievement and who adopts too readily the attitude that “most of us aren’t great” as a reason to be mediocre at life …I offer this…

            http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/30/13566633-ex-marine-angela-madsen-on-her-journey-from-homelessness-to-the-paralympics?chromedomain=usnews&lite

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            who would applaud the lack thereof

            repulsed by individual achievement

            That’s a lot of manure even by your standards.

          • notafeminista

            Read the posts above mine.

          • brettearle

            You have twisted and distorted by words and my language and my meaning–so as to fit your fetid bias.

            You will not, and cannot, survey the nuances–because your intolerance and rigidity makes it impossible for you to do so. 

          • notafeminista

            There is nothing to be twisted; your position is crystal clear. You agreed the individuals I listed as great models and then literally in the same breath said that thinking so was pathetic and repugnant. You should read more.

          • Steve__T

            You don’t know me or what I’ve personally been through. I cheer achievement, I honor the brave, and love competition. But I also know that everybody can’t win. Yes all should try and all should try to compete.
            The reality is in most circumstances their is only one winner. And sometime the personal success and achievement of some is very simple yet dignified even if it’s just to get up and go to the bathroom with out help. Does that sound repugnant to you.

            Reality Check.
            Some people know what what they are capable of and don’t
            judge or harbor animosity toward those who can do more, we cheer them.

          • notafeminista

            Read all the posts again. I did not refer to anyone as repugnant. Nor did I say everyone wins.

          • notafeminista

            And yet, when external factors work together to oppress/suppress an individual, a community or a country, those who want to, those who have the desire, the drive and the willingess always find a way around said forces.

            Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

            Aung San Suu Kyi

            Nelson Mandela

            Martin Luther King, Jr

            There’s more and you know it.  Every one of them suffered significantly and never gave up.  Never.  They were beaten, tortured and imprisoned and they never once gave up.   They (and others) should be our examples.  Their commitment, dedication, leadership and sacrifice to and for freedom should be that which we emulate.  Not that post-modern “nothing is ever my fault because someone else didn’t do enough for me and even if they did its still not my fault” bullfeathers.

          • brettearle

            Your cultural bigotry is stunning.

            Some great men and women can transcend adversity– with some fortune mixed in, as well.

            But MOST of us are NOT Mandelas, Kings, and the great opposition leader of Burma.

            You’re full of bull as well.

            BIG TIME.

            We can use these great people as models.

            BUT WE CAN’T OFTEN NECESSARILY EVEN COME CLOSE TO THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS, UNDER ADVERSITY….FOR DOZENS OF REASONS…..

            WHAT’S MORE, MANY A GREAT MAN AND WOMAN NEVER CAME CLOSE TO AUNG SAN and KING….FOR MANY REASONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR OWN MORAL OR INTELLECTUAL TALENTS.

            YOU’RE FULL OF UTTER BULL….

            Most of us aren’t great.

            Your rationale is truly pathetic–and feeds right into to the repugnant Republican ethic of political and moral ignorance….

            Wake up….

          • notafeminista

            We are all of us great.  We are responsible for the choices we make.
            I say we should emulate the examples I gave (scores of others as well) and you agree – “We can use these great people as models.” and then turn around and say my rationale is pathetic and repugnant.

            Really?

          • Duras

            You are kind of backwards.  The people you cite fought against a political economy.  I don’t like that in America right now, most of the nation’s wealth and political power is moving increasingly, year after year, to the top minority of elites.  Republicans are fighting for an oligarchy.  Republicans are trying to prevent people from voting.
             
            There is not equal opportunity in this country. Face it.  Mitt Romney didn’t have to work as hard as Obama.  Obama actually achieved social mobility.  But Mitt Romney in the party of their daddy’s hard work are telling kids who are growing up on food stamps to “work hard” as they cut scholarships and raise tuition to give themselves tax breaks. 
             
            Capitalism works best when the capitalist adheres to the social contract and supports the society that makes his or her wealth possible.  Conservatives just never seem to understand that if the rich refuse responsiblity to the nation, the run the greater risk of capitalism being overthrown and completely losing their wealth.

            They called FDR a traitor to his class, but he saved capitalism and ulimately saved wealth in America. 

            Read a little history. 

          • Gregg Smith

            “As if there aren’t dozens of factors–unrelated to personal exertion, that determine success.”

            Who would disagree with that? Please don’t tell me what I think.

          • Steve__T

             You Think?

        • Samuel Walworth

           Yes, Democrats and people who are on welfare do cheat.. but so do the Wall Street guys..

          As long as any program involves humans, there will be cheaters and there will be people who will abuse the system to their benefits.

          Does it mean that we should stop our welfare programs and tax cuts?

          • Gregg Smith

            No, but it does mean we should be prudent with the taxpayer’s money and factor in the dynamic instead of ignoring it and accusing those who don’t as uncaring.

        • Duras

          Read about Rick Scott, Florida Governor.  The guy should be in prison, but bought the Governor’s seat.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      So they hate their parents? You don’t believe their parents were immigrants and worked to some level of opportunity for their kids? You don’t believe that they honestly believe the values of those parents?

      Your partisanship is fun I guess, but contributes little.

      • Thinkin5

         No they don’t “hate their parents”. But typical Repcons, they think that others who are in that position now, are lacking in “values” like theirs. Just another way to divide and not have to step up to do something helpful. If a problem doesn’t have a good solution the GOP just sweeps the problem under the rug. Like paying for the W era wars. Just don’t put that expense on the books.

      • Duras

        Their parents achieved social mobility in an FDR political economy, not post-Reagan.  Wealth was more equal and tuitions were more affordabe then.  The conditions have changed and the starting line in life has become widely disparate across the socioeconomic spectrum in the last 30 years. 

        I saw a talk at a university a few months ago and the professor said that when he was a kid, major league tickets cost $3 for the good seats and $1 for the rest and everybody pretty much sat together.  Around the 1980s, things changed in our stadiums and these sky-boxes appeared.  Today, class isolation is at a new level: a few amount of people are very rich while our public institutions have been degrading.  This must stop. 

        Now you have serf in your name, but do you realize Feudalism fell do to secularization and bartering power shifting from (in today’s terms) Creators of Jobs to the 99%, from lord to serf…?  Think about that.  Think about which party is concentrating wealth and political power in to the hands of a few?  This country has moved too far to the right.

        • Government_Banking_Serf

          We should try equal Rule of Law again and Sound Money. Otherwise the Repubs and your Dems will keep going with the collusion between the Federal Reserve, Washington, and the Finance Vampires.

          Rule of Law, Accountability, Transparency are the only answers, not some Utopian Socialistic Dream.

          Get Glass Steagal back and dump the false choice of needing Government to do everything for us instead.

          http://www.capitalismwithoutfailure.com

          • Duras

            It isn’t a Utopian Socialistic Dream.  Read Adam Smith!  He says the the capitalist has a responsiblity to make sure there is an equal starting line.  He also believes that the capitalist should maintain public institutions (and I have quoted that passage on these comment boards in the past).

            I so sick of people calling me a socialist; it makes me think that republicans don’t know what capitalism is.  FDR saved capitalism, FDR saved capitalism, FDR saved capitalism, and he was the most liberal-progressive president since that bleeding heart Lincoln.  Everything that I have written has always been a part of capitalism.  And in all honesty, it is never really about capitalism, socialism, and communism because if you look at history, going too far to the right and too far to the left has created the same inhumane conditions.  This is why the republicans have a lot in common with communists: they both dislike the humanities, they both hate unions, they are both indifferent to inequality, they both try to concentrate wealth and economic power into the hands of a few dozen people, they both use religion to delude the masses, they both like corporate sponsored secondary schools.  It only about mentality. 

            I guess we can agree that the two most crucial issues are campaign money and that the banks need to be broken up.  I hope everybody emails their elected representitive.  Sincerely.

    • Duras

      Seriously, are the republicans the party of their daddies working hard or what? 

      Obama actually worked hard and achieved social mobility, and last night republicans tried to make him look like he “hates Romney’s success.”  Get real.  Romney an entittled prick.  Obama had student loans; Romney had stocks in college. 

      How I wish the republicans would wake up.  They are not the party of hard work and equal opportunity.  And they are only making society worse when they vote for cuts to scholarships in order to give the top an unnecessary tax break.  Are they not the destroying the American dream or what?

      • Government_Banking_Serf

        Can we have access to your secret piggy-bank that can fund all our best hopes and dreams?

        • Duras

          That’s the best you can come up with?  Does the philosophical concept of a social contract ever pass through your consciousness at all?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QL3G7AA3WQ2XMQATVNRKFZECHI Deanna

        Before you go spouting off you should know what you are talking about:
         Obama -did away with Pell grant for millions by lower the amount of income you can earn from 30 to 24 thousandRomney - instituted the John and Abigail Adams scholarship for ALL students with higher MACS scores. 
        Just one of the examples of how OBama hurts the middle class. Obama never worked. He was a community organizer. Hopefully individuals as uninformed as you will not vote.

        • Duras

          Obama literally saved me thousands of dollars by eliminating banks from being the middlemen between students and federal loans.  And Romney already said he would replace the banks as middlemen.  Second, I don’t know what cuts you are talking about.  Did it come out of the debt ceiling budget?  In my state, Florida, Rick Scott has cut Bright Futures Scholarships to pay for his tax cuts (which aren’t working) and to subsidize crappy charter schools. 

          Most of the scholarship loses over the past three years have been the result of an underfunded government.  If we cut taxes, we are cutting scholarships and raising tuition and exacrabating the student debt bubble.  If worthless on-line, for-profit universities continue to get federal loans for their students, we are making the bubble worse (and Mitt Romney supports those schools).  The best move by far was Obama getting rid of the middlemen banks, which saved millions of people thousands of dollars; whereas Romney wants to replace them to give millions of dollars to a minority of bankers. 

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Are any of my friends on the left looking forward to the Ryan – Biden debate?

    Too bad there is only one debate scheduled.

    • Brandstad

      I think the Ryan – Biden debate might get better ratings than the Romney – Obama debates!

    • brettearle

      I’m a Democrat…..

      And I agree…Biden will be outclassed.

      Obama, however, will beat Romney in the debates–but, unfortunately, not in the election.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        You might be right about Obama/Romney.  I think the current format does favor Obama — mostly because the media asks the questions.

        Lincoln-Douglass style would favor Romney, IMHO.

        I hope you are correct about the election.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          You’ve got a strange view of history, and facts.

        • Duras

          Already blaming the media….  I’ve noticed that when ever republicans get into trouble, the media is the scapegoat.  Just like what Akin did. 

          With all due respect, can you see your strings yet?

    • JGC

      I hope Biden’s debate prep squad gets him ready to challenge any blatant lies that Ryan tries to slip in, just like Rep. Ryan was doing last evening during his acceptance speech at the convention. 

  • geekdad82

    I have to question your decision making in choosing the voices to whom you give your air time. As an objective listener, I would much rather hear what the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committe (Adam Smith) has to say than I would hear the opinion of a random caller from Westboro. Your decision to cut off Rep. Smith in mid-thought to hear the at best questionable and at worst descriminatory thoughts of the caller was objectionable.

    What followed, however, was beyond questionable and downright indefensible. To allow Reiss to promulgate the myth of the President being a secret Muslim was absolutely represhensible. For you to allow this statement to pass unquestioned is absolutely indefensible. For you to allow to pass unquestioned the false equivalance asserted by Reiss of an utterly false and represhensible statement, the likes of which have never been seen before in American politics (The President is a secret Muslim) and a reasonable question based on a factual assertion (Romney is a Mormon, and tenets of Mormonism may influence his thinking on foreign policy) left me stunned. That you would allow your air time to be used to promulgate this myth unquestioned is absolutely unbelievable.

    I wish this were the only case in this program of your allowing your air time to be used to transmit Right Wing propaganda, but unforntuately it was not. In critiquing the President’s popularity in the Middle East, you allowed to pass unquestioned Reiss’ assertion that Rachman had asserted that President Obama was now less popular than President Bush was at the end of his term. In fact, Rachman said nothing of the sort — his assertion was that President Obama was less popular now than he was at the start of his term. That such a blatant falsehood would be allowed to pass unquestioned is, again, beyond irresponsible.

    I understand the pressures of a live broadcast by their nature make it difficult to fact check all assertions in real time. However, you also have a responsibility to prevent your air time from being hijacked to transmit one-sided propaganda without at least questioning it. In these instances, you have failed utterly at your objective mission. I expect you will be broadcasting corrections to these instances in the very near future.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      “I expect you will be broadcasting corrections to these instances in the very near future.”

      I’m afraid your expectations are too high. I completely agree with your sentiments though.

  • cryptomorph

    I assume it was Mitchell Reiss who said we must spend 4% of GDP on the military to keep the world safe. To borrow from James Madison… I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending the money of their constituents to become the world’s policeman.

    • madnomad554

       Please, please no more war. I did two tours in Iraq, 03′ and 05′.

      The biggest mistake of my life, as I am truly a “madnomad”. I look in the mirror and I don’t know who I am looking at.

      I will say this, it should mandatory that our president should have served at least a couple of years in the military. I think we might involve ourselves in fewer wars if that were the case.

      • J__o__h__n

        John McCain would have had us in countless wars had he won.  George W Bush was sort of in the military and still blundered into Iraq.  For some reason many former members of the military tend to vote Republican despite their proposed cuts to veteran benefits and propensity to use force to solve international problems.

        • Mike_Card

          Bush II is a deserter.  He should have been apprehended, tried, then shot at sunrise.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        As you are someone who has served, I consider you more fit than most the people in our media to ask Condi Rice “You and what army?”

        Literally. Much of the right and most of our mainstream media don’t seem to remember what the last decade has done to this country’s armed forces. I’m getting the drift that many folks (weighed heavily towards those who don’t have kids in the service) think the USA can just roll more troops out as if they were Liberty Ships during WWII and there are no after-effects to risk, to them as individuals, or the whole’s esprit de corps.

        Feel free to weigh in on what I may have missed.

      • Mouse_2012

        Thanks for your service sadly many of the people who claim to support you have no problem sending people like yourself to war, not to protect our country but for political purposes or to fight other countries battle.

      • sickofthechit

         I opposed both wars, but I am grateful for your service and sorry it has damaged you.

        The great science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein had the best idea for deciding whether we would go to war.  He proposed letting those citizens who were in the age group to be made soldiers would get to vote whether we go to war.  If a majority favor war then the soldiers come from their ranks.  Those voting no would not have to go.  Very few wars would result.

        • madnomad554

          I think Shakespeare once wrote, “Cry Havoc and let slip the hounds of war”.

          I guess most republicans are Shakespeare fans. But where are the spoils??

          • cryptomorph

            The “spoils” were political. The Bush Junta milked their illegal war of aggression to their political advantage.  

          • madnomad554

             exactly…

  • Thinkin5

    Would you hire a CEO who hates your business?! I doubt that Mitt would.
    Look at all the career polls in the GOP! They have gummint jobs and they don’t want to leave them!

    • Mouse_2012

      Your comment is what I was thinking,

      Why would someone vote for someone that says the thing that your going to hire him to work for will fail you.

      • Thinkin5

        The GOP: Government doesn’t work! And we’re going to make sure it doesn’t by putting us in charge!!

        • DrewInGeorgia

          Again.

  • cryptomorph

    It’s been suggested that in the upcoming debate Ryan will outclass Biden. That might be true if Ryan were not such a hypocritically faux fiscal conservative.

    In reality, Ryan is nothing but another Starve The Beast tax cut psycho who uses the language of fiscal conservatism to mask his real agenda: to use government’s power of taxation to shower money on right wing priorities while using irresponsible tax cuts to starve Democratic priorities.

    • Mouse_2012

      All depends on if the moderator will call out Ryans up and coming lies or let them pass.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        This not a criticism of Ryan but I’m wondering if anyone else found his constant throat-clearing (or grunting?) during the infomercial last night unsettling.

  • http://www.facebook.com/scott.patton.902 Scott Patton

    “We are now engaged in a great debate over whether America’s core
    challenge is how to manage our own decline as a great power — or how to
    renew our capacity to carry on our proud tradition of world leadership”  sounds like a new version of manifest destiny.  I for one am not electing the president or leader of the free world, just the United States of America.  Any constitutional requirements for our interactions with the rest of the world are spelled out in the , get this, Constitution.  Anything else being done is to preserve our non-constitutional priorities, including business interests.  So in a nation based on the “Constitution”, whoever becomes the President must focus on the Constitutional requirements first and foremost.   “Our proud tradition of world leadership” is only a  wish to make friends and influence our yet to be friends.  And we can do this probably more successfully by working in collaboration with others instead of browbeating them.

    • Government_Banking_Serf

      Nothing wrong leading by example. Military Adventurism, no.

      But living out our Constitutionally-limited Self- governance, and enjoying our individual liberty protected by the Bill of Rights, can again, as it once did, be a great example of Leading by Example.

      GOPer should have stayed strong and gone Ron Paul, Not Mitt Romney. I don’t believe the vast majority of GOP people are Neocons, they just have to swallow the Neocon “R” candidates the establishment throws out, just like Dems have to swallow the corporatist/banking pandering “D” candidates.

      Its no wonder when Ron Paul and Ralph Nader start talking, the points of agreement get thinking people fired up.

  • DrewInGeorgia

    Here and Now today is worth a listen when audio becomes available. The exchange between Robin Young and Mary Lee Gibson speaks volumes.

    Apologies for the Off Topic post, it’s relevant to much of the discussion on the board today though.

    http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2012/08/30/rnc-youth-vote

  • cryptomorph

    SO WHERE’S THAT CONSERVATIVE/NEOCON NIRVAVA?

    These past 30 years the rich, corporations, and Wall Street have gotten just about EVERYTHING they wanted… tax cuts for the filthy rich, big reductions on capital gains taxes, the destruction of unions, free trade deal to exploit cheap and slave labor overseas, corporate welfare, two wars they refused to pay for, deregulation of banks, mass media, and commodities. They sabotaged government revenue with irresponsible tax cuts and sabotaged the industrial base of America with free trade. Their privatization efforts in Iraq milked taxpayers for jobs our military should have been doing. They encouraged us to place our life savings in the hands of sociopathic predators on Wall Street whose greed and hubris was so great they didn’t just bring down their own banks, they brought down our entire economy… almost the world’s.

    ALL THE EVIDENCE IS NOW IN, and it’s these conservative/neo-con policies have proven to be a DISASTER. At least some neo-libs like Clinton now have some regrets about free trade and deregulation. Clinton got us to a balanced budget only to have it quickly sabotaged by Bush to prevent debt paydown. Do you ever hear ANY regrets from the far Right or the crazed Tea Baggers for supporting policies that created more debt and brought the economy down? Above was just the beginning of the Right’s proposed insanity. The Tea Party sociopaths in Congress are demanding policies even MORE insane than the above. Grover Norquist on 60 Minutes went on record his goal is to shrink the federal government down to about 8% of GDP. That means the elimination of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and just about all of the social safety net plus those regulatory agencies that protect us from the more malignant aspects of capitalism. Quite literally it’s the rolling back of the 20th Century. The Right has shown they are willing to become fiscal terrorists threatening to blow up the system if they are not allowed to inflict even MORE damage. They are blind to the fact that they have gotten most of what they wanted these past 30 years and there’s still no Conservative Nirvana. They blame their failures on not being extreme enough. And these lunatics are say they can be trusted to fix our system??

    If anyone should be reforming our system, it’s those whose instincts were sound in OPPOSING all of the above insanity… people on the LEFT.

    • Gregg Smith

      Oh great, Ultrax’s tired old nirvana speech.

      • Steve__T

         Oh great more of Gregg’s tired baseless remarks.

        • Gregg Smith

          He’s posted the same bilge 100 times.

          • cryptomorph

            Geeeee Greggggg… perhaps I’m STILL waiting for you to respond to the points I’ve made. But instead all you EVER do is complain that I posted. Your inability to rebut anything I wrote is not a reflection on me… but of intellectual bankruptcy of your far Right ideas.
             

          • Gregg Smith

            I’ve written tomes shredding your every argument. You’re a waste of time.

          • Mouse_2012

            I’ll second that one

          • Steve__T

             I don’t care how many times he posted it. Are you jealous because his reply’s get at this point 10 likes to your 1 that you gave to yourself?
            Get a clue.

          • Gregg Smith

            You’re weird dude, I don’t care about likes and have never liked myself.

        • StilllHere

          Please, you’ve never made any sort of contribution whatsoever.  You cannot judge.

          • Steve__T

             And your contributions are?
            Judge not least ye be judged, I judge you incompetent, willfully abusive and ignorant. Your post do nothing but make people angry, because Ignorance is something most of us abhor and you display it as if is is a badge of honor. You constantly and consistently twist the truth and others words. So get the F off my back.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      It’s true. We’ve tried voodoo econ since 1980, taxes are at near post-1929 lows, the regulations of the financial sector that were brilliantly put in place after the 1929 crash are gutted, and….all that has happened is massive redistribution of wealth and income to the top. That’s exactly what anyone with any common sense would expect.

      So, what is the GoP proposing now. Why, more voodoo! I mean, if it has screwed us for 32 years, the solution must be more of it, right? 

    • William

       Russia and it’s Communists states defeated, smashed, returned to the dustbin of failure.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        The SU was busted by the containment policy which started with Truman, and by their insane attempt to occupy Afghanistan (Nobody would try THAT again, right? Right?). However, that’s Off-Point. The question is, do we have a busted SU and a prosperous middle class in the USA, or a busted SU and a busted middle class in the USA.

        • DrewInGeorgia

          The SU defeated themselves. Seems to be contagious…

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Unfortunately.

    • Gregg Smith

      Just to catch you up, it’s 2012 and Obama is a failed President. That’s pretty much where we are. Where the hell are you?

  • doug_mO

    Romney seems intent on confrontation with the world — Iran over nukes, China over the currency, Russia because of Putin, Europe because it is not the US, the mid-east because there are evil people there.  Rather than stepping back from the military brink, as we have done in the past 3 years, Romney wants to push us towards it.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Romney’s world view:

    Switzerland – good place to hide Bane $.

    China, Vietnam, etc – good places to ship American jobs.

    Caymans – good place to hide Bane $.

    Iran – good place to attack.

    France – good place to find converts to the true cult.

    Rest of the world – huh?

    • William

      - What did Obama mean when he told the Russians to wait till after the election and he would have more leeway? To do what?
      - Is Obama going to attack another nation without the permission of the Congress like his war on Libya?
      - If there is another Green Revolution in Iran will Obama sit on the sidelines again?
      - Is Obama going to visit Israel if he wins another term?
      - What foreign leader will Obama bow to next?
      - Will Obama keep his promise to the world and close Gitmo?
      - Will Obama give the Brits an Blue Ray version of his speeches?

      • Mike_Card

        It was only a case of my having told him what would piss you off the most, and those were his answers.  Get a life, you dork!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1350469531 John Buchan

        Ok, so you copied all this bs from World Net Daily….go over to Fox comment board, your opinion isn’t needed here.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        Hey, william, nice list. Please add up how many lives and $billions it has cost us and compare to W’s excellent adventures.

        The answer to your first talking point is, he meant he could function like a normal POTUS without having to worry about a disloyal opposition whose self-stated #1 priority is making him a one term president. 

        • Ray in VT

          I find the whole line of attack on Obama regarding Libya to be both interesting and odd.  We acted as a sort of junior partner to some of the other NATO countries, spent relatively little money, lost 0 American lives and helped a home grown movement get rid of an internationally notorious SOB with a history of supporting terrorism.  But that’s painted as a bad thing.  I suppose that Obama should have gone to Congress just like Reagan did with Grenada and George H. W. Bush did with Panama.

          Then follow that up with criticizing Obama for not acting to assist the uprising in Iran, which certainly would have been a far more destructive endeavor.

          • Gregg Smith

            Fair enough but compare it to Egypt. President Obama was much quicker to call for Mubarak to step down and things have not gone well. Why was he so reluctant to call for the same regarding Gaddafi? Early on, Gaddafi was on the ropes. A no-fly one is a big deal, I realize that. But America ceding leadership to France cost precious time and breathed new life into the regime. That cost tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of lives. My opinion is do it. Have the balls to take the heat and lead. The world needs us desperately. You may disagree.

            Excuse me, I’m still high on Condi’s speech. Such eloquence and class! She could not have been more correct, I hope you saw it. I know I’ll be watching the Democrat convention with an eagle eye.

          • Ray in VT

            Hi Gregg,

            Perhaps the President should have acted faster on Libya, but I do think that the President, and the country at large, are relatively reluctant to get involved in “foreign entanglements” at this time.  I definitely think that there is a time and a place for America to flex it’s military muscle, and certainly getting rid of a piece of work like Gaddafi was a good thing.  I think that he was relatively much weaker than the Iranian regime and even the Syrian regime, but if the native movement didn’t have any legs, so to speak, then our involvement wouldn’t have counted for much.  Libya is much closer to Europe’s back yard, so I don’t see much wrong with letting the Europeans taking the lead on this one.

            Mubarek certainly wasn’t a terrible person, but he wasn’t exactly great either.  I think that it would have been difficult for him to have held onto power even with our backing.  There were tens of thousands of people in Tahrir Square.  Now if Mubarek was going to hold onto power, then he was going to have to strong arm those people out of there.  That would have been very bloody, and we would have ended up essentially putting our stamp of approval on that.  I don’t think that that is a position that we want to be in.  Things may not be going great there right now, but they’re still early on.  Let ‘em work on it for a while.  Ultimately they will probably get either the government that they want or that they deserve, and I think that they should be charting their own path on that.  We have supported a lot of strong men in the post World War II era, sometimes at the expense of popular sentiment and civil rights, and that has cost us dearly in terms of the sentiment of many people.  Take a look at Iran.  We supported the overthrow of their government and the Shah.  In some ways our attempt to thwart Soviet influence fostered the Islamist sentiment that was a part of the revolution there.

            I didn’t catch Condolleeza Rice’s speech, although I did hear a bit of Paul Ryan’s last night.  I heard some hear say that she was a bit stiff.  I take it that you disagree.  I’ve always had a decent amount of respect for Dr. Rice, and one of my high school buddies worked for her during the Bush administration, although he’s always avoided the question of just what he did.

            I won’t be tuning into the Democratic convention.  I did hear Obama speak back in 2004, but I didn’t listen in 2008, and I won’t this time for the same reason that I haven’t listened to the GOP convention.  I think that I have a pretty good handle on the positions of both parties, and, as some others have said, the conventions just seem to be a party infomercial.  I’ve got better things to do at night than listen to that, aside from the fact that during most of the prime time stuff I’m working in a place where I can’t tune in live, and I can’t watch or listen to some things prerecorded.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            I still don’t know why I watched the RNC and will watch the DNC, I never did in the past. I don’t know what it is and I can’t really seem to find the words to describe it but for some reason I feel it’s necessary this go round.

          • Ray in VT

            Was it about what you expected it to be?

          • DrewInGeorgia

            Unfortunately it was exactly what I expected. I have no illusions, I imagine we’ll see more of the same from the DNC.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WSNVHZIUNDRCS65G3YA6LQQ33I Aaron

    I just listened to the program with Romney’s foreign policy adviser, Mitchell Reiss. Although Tom Ashbrook did a good job of dissecting Reiss’ talking points, the interview still left me guessing whether Romney’s a US-centric conservative or a neocon. Instead of just asking Mitchell Reiss what Romney would do, or how he would be different from Obama, it would have been much more fruitful to delve into the track-record and lineage of Romney’s advisers. Romney’s and Reiss’s job right now is to criticize Obama even if they secretly agreed with the president. However, people’s thinking and instincts don’t change overnight. Tom Ashbrook should have delved more into who Reiss and other advisors have worked for and on what policies. That’s how Romney is going to perceive the world and that’s the crowd from which Romney is going to choose his national security and foreign policy advisers if elected. Reiss should have been asked what part of his experience led Romney to pick him. (Better yet, ask Romney.) That would have given listeners a better grasp of what kind of policies one would have under a Romney administration, and how much leadership Romney actually has over foreign policy.

    • William

       One good thing about Romney winning is he did not make some secret deal with the Russians like Obama promised if he won.

      • Mike_Card

        And you think that why?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          “Why do the birds keep on singing?
          Why do the stars fill the sky?”

          It’s Williamtown, Jake Mike. Things are just…different there.

          • Mike_Card

            Whoa!  Good one!

      • OnPointComments

        I think the quote, caught by an open mike during President Obama’s meeting with President Dmitry Medvedev, was “This is my last election.  After my election, I have more flexibility.”

        The scariest 12 words that President Obama has ever uttered.  I shudder to think what might happen in his 2nd term if he’s been holding back during term 1.

      • naivefool

        It is better to have a secret deal than none

    • sojournaroo

       Well, there are these clues as to Romney’s foreign policy plans.
      –We know Romney has been personal friends with Netanyahu for 35 years, and that Netanyahu wants war against Iran so that Israel will remain the only nuclear power in the region.
      –We know Netanyahu wants Romney in the White House…he held $1 million fund raiser for him.
      –We know that neocons Pearle, Feith, Wumser, et. al. wrote Netanyahu’s speech in 1996, “Securing the Realm”, in which he calls for “regime change” in Iraq.
      –We know that when GWB/Cheney were elected, these neocons were brought into the White House where they served as defense and foreign policy advisors.
      –Surprise! surprise!  They were architects of the Iraq War.   

      Connecting the dots…it looks like Netanyahu plans to re-take the White House in 2012 and get us to fight another war for him.

       

  • btraven99

    Why let the comment that “Reagan said what he meant and meant what he said” pass?  Imaging Reagan as infallible is not the way that I remember him.  Think, Iran-Contra, ketchup as vegetable, and his deplorable record on AIDS to start.

    The Republican propaganda machine has made Reagan a demi-god, but it is not true.

    • Mike_Card

      Reagan wasn’t even a politician.  He was a professional actor playing a role; to his credit, he surrounded himself with a capable group of scriptwriters.  To the the country’s detriment, people found his acting job believable. 

  • William

     Reagan put them out of business.

  • stopRepoLying

    Tom, how can you let your guests criticize Obama for not compromising and not say a word in response?  Wasn’t the GOP the people who explicitly stated that their goal was to make Obama a one-term president, so they opposed everything he proposed?  Didn’t the GOP refuse to consider any tax increases at all despite the fact that tax rates are at an all time low?  Wasn’t the individual mandate originally a GOP idea, that the GOP decided to oppose only when Obama adopted it?  

    As far as I can tell today’s show is merely a platform for GOP commentators to lie like rugs without ANY pushback on your part.  Come on, Tom, you can do better!

  • Ray in VT

    This isn’t really on topic with potential Romney foreign policy, but I just saw today that Colin Powell has a book that came out back in May.  Wow is he looking old.  I didn’t realize that the man was 75 years old.

  • Government_Banking_Serf

    Of course Romney’s economic view is no less subservient to the financial crooks than Obama’s, Bush’s, Clintons.

    http://www.capitalismwithoutfailure.com

    Are we really sleepwalking like this?All the 2 party bickering and bantering here, sadly the rest of the country must be even worse. Digging in heels to defend one half of the corrupt whole. 
    All this time passed since the wheels fell of the bubble bus, and still, all but the very few willing to look at the political/monetary/collusive/lack of Rule of Law ways that it happened, most actually attacking those who question the status quo, or don’t take a more socialistic approach as the answer.

    Just read some of that stuff.

  • ExcellentNews

    I bet you $15,000 that my world view will fix everything that’s wrong in America.

    Mitt Romoney.

    PS: What are all these people b–ching about ??? College tuition is only $60,000. That’s less than one of my suits…

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