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Convention Kick-Off

We are in Tampa, with the GOP, raising the curtain on the Republican National Convention and the race for the White House.

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. (AP)

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. (AP)

Where the sun has been out today and Republicans are eager to roll.  A day late, with Isaac churning on north, the real business – convention business and show business, politics – kicks off today.  Tough speeches from Chris Christie, Nikki Haley, Rick Santorum to go after President Obama.

A warm speech from Ann Romney to warm up and humanize the country’s understanding of her husband.  And then there is Mitt Romney.  In the wings but on everybody’s mind.  Can he, could he, rally the party and country?  Around what?

This hour, On Point:  From Tampa, Mitt Romney and the Republican moment.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Michael Kranish, Washington Bureau Deputy Chief of The Boston Globe. He is co-author of The Real Romney.

Jennifer Rubin, columnist and a blogger for the Washington Post.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, Republican Congressman representing Utah’s 3rd District.

David Gergen, senior political analyst for CNN and has served as an adviser to four U.S. presidents. He is a professor of public service and the director of the Center for Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School.

Highlights

Americans are having to make a bad choice, said veteran political analyst David Gergen. “Between a party that got us into this mess and a party that doesn’t know how to get us out.”

On the GOP side, Mitt Romney is running as a “severe conservative.”

Political tradition holds that candidates for the White House court their bases during the primaries, then tack to the political center during the general election. Mitt Romney appears to have bucked that trend, by adding Paul Ryan to the ticket. “For those of us on the conservative side of the aisle, we loved that choice,” said Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz.

Mitt Romney’s ideological evolution is a far cry from the political trajectory of his father, Gov. George Romney, who walked out of the 1964 GOP convention as Barry Goldwater roared that “extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.”

“Mitt Romney doesn’t represent the Romney legacy of moderation, that people in Massachusetts know very well from his years as governor. He now represents the Goldwater wing of the party,” said Michael Kranish, a journalist with the Boston Globe who coauthored the biography, The Real Romney. Romney’s father George, famously walked out of the GOP convention in 1964, in protest of Goldwater’s extremism.

Gergen said that Goldwater’s loss in 1964 to Lyndon Johnson, coupled with Ronald Reagan’s win in 1980, setup 2012 as a “rubber match” between liberals and conservatives aiming to expand or shrink the size and scope of government. Indeed, the degree of Romney’s conservatism might be hurting him in the polls. “[Some voters] are not sure that he won’t become a hostage to the Tea Party,” he said.

“Romney is center-right candidate, the country is a center-right country,” said columnist Jennifer Rubin, adding that the GOP is a “right party.” Romney, she said, wants to go down in history as the person who pulled the country back from the fiscal cliff, a problem only solvable in a bipartisan way.

From Tom’s Reading List

New York Times “In interviews, Republican leaders said they were united and energized by the prospect of defeating President Obama and enacting bedrock Republican principles: shrinking the government and reducing spending and taxes.”

National Review “Mitt Romney wants this year’s election to be about jobs and the economy. Barack Obama wants it to be about fairness and the need for a more equitable relation between classes. Voters appear to favor Romney’s view. When a July USA Today/Gallup poll asked Americans to rate the importance of twelve issues in the coming election, “increasing taxes on wealthy Americans” ranked last; “creating good jobs” ranked first, followed by “reducing corruption in the federal government” and “reducing the federal budget deficit.””

The New Yorker “As fans of political sparring will recall, these two have mixed it up before—numerous times, in fact, mainly over the Obama stimulus. The cause of their latest spat: a characteristically overstated Newsweek cover story by Ferguson arguing that it’s time to replace Obama. (Headline: “Hit the Road Barack: Why We Need a New President.”) Krugman, who has been spending the last few weeks hiking through some pretty-looking hills, interrupted his vacation to accuse his old nemesis of misrepresenting the facts in claiming that Obamacare will add more than a trillion dollars to the deficit over the next ten years.”

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  • DrewInGeorgia

    I see we’re pulling out all the stops for The Dog and Pony Show this week. Yay. Thank goodness there’s nothing else going on in the world right now so that we can focus on what truly matters.

    • J__o__h__n

      Are the dogs able to perform dressage too?

    • J__o__h__n

      The Dog and Pony Show: Seamus and Rafalca!

  • Duras

    Come on people, corruption is the number 1 issue.

    • Don_B1

      If you mean campaign finance, I agree. Otherwise, Climate Change and government investment to create jobs are the biggest issues, for neither of which do the Republicans have a viable solution.

      • Duras

        I do mean campaign financing and a lobbyist ability to give politicians money.  I think when the top income earners don’t have the ability to donate more than the average America, we will see politicians care about the happiness of Americans instead of certain industries.

    • Steve__T

       They are all corrupt so whats the issue? or who is actually going to mention it?

      Answer: no one.

  • gemli

    Be sure to take along plenty of sunscreen–not for the blazing Florida sun, but for inside the convention center.  The glare from all those caucasians can be quite intense.  Use something with a CPF of at least 50.

    • Shag_Wevera

      I promise you a few close-up shots of the non-whites peppered throughout the crowd.

  • Shag_Wevera

    Why do we even have these anymore?  The nominee is never picked at the convention.  Maybe we should call it what it is, an infommercial.

    • http://profiles.google.com/rickevans033050 Rick Evans

      Another question is why send herds of gnews to cover them.  Silly, me. Seeming relevant still matters.

  • Michiganjf

    “First, can I get some applause from the audience?… Thank you!”

    Romney, the perennial last place finisher and pariah of the Republican Party, is now THE ALL-TIME BEST CANDIDATE REPUBLICANS HAVE EVER HAD THE HONOR TO OFFER UP TO AMERICA!!!!!

    Oh, it hurts to laugh!

    Old “anyone but Romney” is now the great savior Americans have been waiting for!

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       If you are a Republican, you hold your nose and go with the party.

      • Michiganjf

        That’s right, all that matters to conservatives is that “our side wins,” damn the consequences to America and Americans!

        It doesn’t matter how backward or worthless their candidate is, so long as there’s an (R) beside their name.

        • BHA_in_Vermont

           That is true of a lot of people regardless of the letter next to their name.

          And a lot of people are “single issue” voters – NPR interviewed a lady with regard to Akin’s disgusting stand on abortion and rape. She disagreed with his comment but will vote for him again specifically because he is against abortion.

          As long as the “R” party is against abortion and the “D” party is for choice, there are those who will vote “R” regardless of the position the “R” candidate holds on any other topic. And vice-versa of course.

          • Don_B1

            The one difference between the parties is that there are a lot more “single-issue” voters in the Republican Party than in the Democratic Party. As one example, it would be hard to find more than a few handfuls of voters for Democratic Party candidates based only on gun control and probably none from people you know.

  • J__o__h__n

    Mitt will be personally giving haircuts to the Log Cabin Republicans as part of the convention festivities to demonstrate his alleged sense of humor.

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    How about we raise the curtains on ALEC, Roger Ailes, The Koch brothers and Brother Grover!

    Did anyone see the Steve Kroft 60 minutes interview of Grover Norquist? Steve never asked him why he has any real agenda when polls repeatedly show that over 2/3s of all Americans favor raising taxes on the wealthy. 

  • TomK_in_Boston

    Hey, Etchasketch was interviewed by Politico and told some good jokes. Who said he’s not funny?

    “I know there are some people who do a very good job acting and pretend they’re something they’re not,” Romney said. “You get what you see. I am who I am.”

    Hahaha, good one, Mitt. If by that you mean you get a “no core” shape changer who effortlessly morphs into a new version every few years, I can agree. “Abortion safe and legal”, which version was that?

    Then he told another joke about female business leaders:

    His Cabinet would be dominated by people from the private sector, citing Meg Whitman of Hewlett-Packard as a model for female leaders he would like to surround himself with.

    Hahaha. Meg Whitman, who leaves wrecked companies and job losses everywhere she goes. I’m surprised he didn’t mention Carly Fiorina, another righty icon, who began the destruction of the once-great Hewlett Packard, now in Whitman’s grasp. The share price is plunging and the company is dying, but it won’t bother her compensation. You bet, Mitt, that’s the kind of leader we need.

    “This week, computer giant Hewlett-Packard announced that it had lost $8.86 billion in the third quarter, a record for the 73-year-old company. The loss — the latest in a string of bad news for the company, whose stock is down 32 percent this year — raised serious doubts about CEO Meg Whitman’s turnaround strategy.”

    • J__o__h__n

      Meg Whitman can bring her ebay auction skills to reach out to the corporate donors who will be setting policies. 

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       She’ll get a big payout either on her way out or as the company ultimately fails. You have to pay big for good people you know.

    • Mike_Card

      Suze Orman would be a terrific Secretary of…uh…Secretaries.

  • Michiganjf

    Ron Paul declined his invitation to speak at the convention because the Romney jackboots insisted on “scripting” his speech!

    Looks like Romney’s your man AND your message, TPers, whether you like it or not!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

      Not only that – they changed the rules so no “outsider” will be able to “hijack” delegates in the future (meaning the national party will have control over state delegates).

      • Mike_Card

        Other than the nominating convention, the GOP insists that everything else is better left to the individual states to decide.

    • jefe68

      Speaking of the Paul’s his son Rand has joined up with Al Franklin to speak out against the The National Defense Authorization Act. Which is not a good thing for civil liberties. 

      • DrewInGeorgia

        His son’s first public proclamation was to drive home to all Good Americans that his father is an Honest To God Hero. I can’t believe the “He shut down the business and single-handedly saved that poor girl” garbage is surfacing again. On second thought, yes I can.

    • Don_B1

      No “Pat Buchanan” speeches allowed at this convention!

  • brettearle

    Why, oh, why is this guy the nominee?

    What a godforsaken pick:

    –Private Equity, where `investors’ received their money back,
       when some companies went belly up.  That’s what I call the
       true capitalistic ethic of risk.

    –An etch-a-sketch candidate who created the ObamaCare
       prototype; was for green energy; gun control; pro-choice
       flexibility when he was governor.

       And now that he’s running, for President, as a Conservative
       Republican he has, quote, `Evolved’?

    –Absent for half of his days in office, when he campaigned for
       president, in 2008

    –Refuses to release his tax records–in an era where Wall
       Street-like figureheads are compelled to come out from
       underneath their `shelters’

    –Incurred a death on his gubernatorial watch, from the Big Dig,
       the most expensive federal project in history; while at the
       same time promising, and failing, to overhaul the entire State 
       Transportation Administration

    –Deleted an excerpt of his book, when it was turned into
       paperback–passages that would have impugned his health
       care plan as one that resembled or was a template for the
       ACA

    –Put a dog, mercilessly, on the roof of his car, for a family
       vacation outing

    –Demeaned Great Britain, on his trip abroad–at the beginning
       of the Olympics 

    –Unnecessarily championed the cause of Israeli economic
       exceptionalism, when visiting Israel–in comparison to the
       Palestinians

    –Has made Raw Jingoistic Saber-Rattling Comments about
       Iran–which might as well mean that a guy like Mitt could well
       carry us into a regional war in the Middle East, much less the
       possibility of WWIII.

    –Wasn’t able to accurately identify his professional title and
       duties, when signing SEC documents–one of the most
       important certificates that any financier could put his John
       Hancock on.

    –Belief in a religion that claims The Garden of Eden is in
       Missouri and that when Jesus returns to Earth, that’s where   
       he’s headed, after he goes to Jerusalem

    –Believes in a religion that glorifies the notion of Ameircan
       Exceptionalism….leaving little room for recognizing where
       America goes wrong and where it makes mistakes….

       Oh, what a piece of work is Mitt….

    • Acnestes

      I can’t stand him either.  For the sake of accuracy, though, he was out of office for several years by 2008.  Maybe you’re thinking of his earlier failed run for senator? He was still governor then.

      • brettearle

        When Romney was still in office, before January 2007, he campaigned relentlessly for the nomination.

        He was out of state often.

        Gingrich confirmed–in one of the debates–what I, and many, residents of Massachusetts already knew.

        I could have been clearer had I said, “when he campaigned for the 2008 presidential nomination for the Republican party.”

        So I’ll probably change it.  Thanks for your observation.

        But look it up…..or find Gingrich’s declaration.  I knew it before Newt said it.

        Anyone who lived in the state knew it.

        He was, as Shannon O’Brien predicted, a “Drive-By Governor”.

        • Acnestes

          Yes, a GOP tradition, starting with the unmissed William Weld. I always had a sneaking suspicion that Mitt had at some point had an affair with Kerry Kelly-Healey and that she’d blackmailed him into nominating her for Lt. Gov., against the advice of his own party.  She had no evident qualifications for the job.

    • Ray in VT

      He really better not mention the E word.  A good part of the base doesn’t want to hear about anything evolving.

    • Don_B1

      The (Mormon) Church of Latter-Day Saints believes in collective action to help all their members when life deals a blow (see the Brian Williams Wed Night — Roc — news magazine on Romney which covered aspects of his relationship with the church) which Mitt must have difficulty reconciling with the pure individualism of today’s radical right Tea/Republicans.

      • Mouse_2012

        Partly correct,

        “The (Mormon) Church of Latter-Day Saints believes in collective action to help all their members when life deals a blow who do what the church wants”

        The LDS will cast it’s members aside quite quick for things one would think are minor. It helps members who fall out but with the agreement they do and act the way the church tells them.

        Once in the church it’s quite disturbing if anyone mores away from the LDS line.

        • JGC

          Here is my wacky conspiracy theory: Romney won’t show his tax details because it would reveal something disturbing about the Mormon Church. If he revealed these details, he might be ex-communicated from the LDS and be cut off for all eternity from his celestial family. 

          Or then again, maybe Romney is just a shape-shifting tax cheat.  

          • brettearle

            You may be on to something…..

            Do you any journalists working on this aspect?

        • Don_B1

          Good point but even with that important qualifier, the charity for its members is impressive.

          But it would be interesting if the Mormons had data on how their support worked in getting members back to work and again contributing to the Church. It could even be a good return on investment. That could show that the government doing similar things might work well also.

          • JGC

            Is its charity impressive? Bloomberg Businessweek did an article on this about a month ago.  The LDS Church itself does not appear to be generous, relative to all the money they collect through the tithe. I think the individual members, like the Romneys for example, are very, very generous. But what exactly happens to the billions of $ that get funneled to Salt Lake City?

      • BHA_in_Vermont

         He can argue that people should take care of themselves, whether individually or as a group of like minded people, govt should not be doing it.

      • BHA_in_Vermont

         He can argue that people should take care of themselves, whether individually or as a group of like minded people, govt should not be doing it.

        • Don_B1

          The reason that government has come to do it is that private charity has not been able to do it effectively. Note that NO OTHER church has come close to what the Mormons do for their members who run into trouble and, while the Mormon Church is the fastest growing it is unlikely others will try to emulate them.

          But Romney can argue as you say, but then he would subtly be denigrating other churches for their insufficient approach to charity.

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       “–Private Equity, where `investors’ received their money back,  when some companies went belly up.  That’s what I call the true capitalistic ethic of risk.”

      Don’t forget that even when the investors (Limited Partners) who are NOT the employees of the private equity firm (General Partners) LOSE money, the GPs, especially those at the top, still get paid big money – the 1.5% to 2% management fees.

      And yes, they make out even bigger with their 20% “carried interest” payout if they manage to sell a company (in whole or shuttered and sold in pieces) for a profit.

    • sickofthechit

       Don’t forget he wants to invade Russia.

      • brettearle

        I realize that I could look this up–but do you have a link?

        That frankly sounds far-fetched–and the Obama campaign would have called Romney on this matter, weeks ago.

        • sickofthechit

           He named the Russians our greatest enemy, threat  or nemesis. It was within the last three months I believe. Sorry, no link, but I trust my memory.

          • brettearle

             It is troubling, indeed, that he would make a statement like that.

            [Every wise-guy Republican likes to channel Reagan.]

            Look, I know you might think that I am nitpicking–but I don’t believe that I am.

            Stating that Russia is our greatest enemy, threat, or nemesis does not imply invasion.

            There is, indeed, a big difference.

            If we, as Democrats, are going to criticize the likes of Romney, we ought to do it, accurately.

            Otherwise, we’ll be called out for exaggeration–and we would not remain as great of a threat to the “Right Wing Attack Machine.”

          • jirohwein
    • brettearle

      Oh, yeah…..

      I forgot the school bullying incident–which, I believe, has been reasonably confirmed.

      Are there not some who regard it as a quasi-hate crime?….

      Who’s he bullying these days, the men and women who are still out of work–after some of the Bain-infested companies went Chapter 11?

  • JGC

    From reporter Allen Abel of PostMedia News, a Canadian news service:
    The devious and lugubrious Svengali of George W. Bush’s election and re-election charted a clear course to  Republican White House on Monday, a trajectory that requires almost no action from GOP candidate Mitt Romney…When I asked him about the ubiquitous television ads that have been sandbagging the Republican candidate on Florida airwaves this week, Mr. Rove answered, “Obama is trying to paint Romney as this weird, rich vampire capitalist who cannot be trusted anywhere near your money ’cause he’ll steal your money and send it to a Swiss bank account…” and continued on to say the Obama campaign has been blaspheming Romney as a conniving, tax-sheltering, outsourcing, lying, heartless robber baron…Wow, Karl! Couldn’t have said it better myself! (And somehow, I do think Rove would appreciate being described as a “devious and lugubrious Svengali”…) 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    We’re going to watch people who have done very well financially over the past couple of years go on and on about how Obama is a failure who destroyed the economy.

  • jefe68

    The irony here is that the convention center was built with mostly government funding from, you guessed it, taxes.
    Tampa Bay Times Forum was originally constructed with $86 million from local taxpayers.

    No, GOP you did not build this one…

    And for those who are not asking God about the effect of Issac the members of the GOP can rely on the National Weather Service for up to date info on the storm.

    While they use government funded and built highways to get to Tampa.

    I guess the GOP should change the slogan from “We Built It” to “We Built Some Stuff, Somewhere”.

    • Mike_Card

      Not to mention air travel.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      At least the storm has seemed to avoid Tampa, so we’ll all be spared the below scene:

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    This business of trying to keep Ron Paul’s delegates out shows how bogus the entire process is. He got the delegates, they should be seated and they can say whatever the heck they want.

  • Mouse_2012

    It’s simple(like most republican views) This event is going to be a P.R. campagin to paint Romney as the guy how kisses babies and hugs dogs. It already started and the media is in full swing telling other what and how Great a guy is. What’s interesting is the way they have to talk up his bane,utah and be Gov. of Ma without going into any detail.

    I listen to Meet the Press last night and realize why so many people are so uninformed. The reporter was Judy who pretty much gave lead questions to the RNC members questions and didn’t challenge any of the talking points, the first person was a Female Latina(who will now do 5 minutes speechs before the normal speakers come out) and the second a Gov.who while asked how Romney could make the welfare claim when it’s simply not true, his response was read what Kathline S. wrote, the facts are facts than went on to say “I believe” and the reporter didn’t call him on the difference between facts and opinion not based on facts.

  • Mouse_2012

    Not only keep them out but replace them.

  • Brandstad

    DNC PROCEEDS WITH 2-HOUR ISLAMIC ‘JUMAH’ PRAYERS AFTER REJECTING CARDINAL’S BLESSING (AND YOU WON‘T BELIEVE WHO’S INVITED)

    • Mouse_2012

      Run away the Islamist are praying far better if they had Pat Robertson instead

  • Ray in VT

    Can anyone imagine the modern GOP holding it’s convention in San Francisco.  Now that would be entertainment.

    • Mouse_2012

      It could happen, Don’t they bloke off miles around the event so the elites don’t have to see or hear or deal with the protestors?

      • Ray in VT

        Maybe.  I’m sure that they take some measures to not let protesters, and there are pretty surely some at every convention, get too close.  It tickles my funny bone, though, to imagine all of the social conservatives in the gayest city in the USA.  Maybe they could roll the motorcade right down Castro Street.

    • JGC

      No.  Threat of earthquakes.  Reince Priebus will want to choose somewhere supersafe and disaster-proof for 2016.  Branson, Missouri?  (Only disaster-proof if they rope up Todd Akin and duct tape his mouth and throw him in a trunk in Andy Williams’ dressing room.) Where is the safest place in the U.S.?

      • Ray in VT

        Guam?

        • JGC

          No, tropical cyclones!  I googled “safest place in U.S.” and got Honolulu, Hawaii, believe it or not.  But after thinking about it some more, the safest place for the Republicans to hold their next convention would have to be NRA Headquarters.

      • Ray in VT

        I hadn’t realized that it was Michael Steele who picked Tampa during hurricane season.  I kindof miss that guy.  At least he made the RNC interesting.  Here’s a farm not far from where I am that raises organic beef and has a winery, and under Steele’s tenure the RNC bought several thousand dollars worth of “office supplies” there.  I laugh every time I go by.

        • JGC

          True? That is amazing!  You know, I miss him, too. He certainly was genuine and original. Maybe he was in the wrong job for them, but I think the RNC didn’t properly take advantage of his strengths for their party. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Branson is supposed to be like Vegas without the sin. (Neither prostitution nor gambling are legal in the former, I believe.)

        I imagine that’d cut down on the valuistas embarrassing themselves in public with hookers, cabana boys, and blow, long enough to tell us what’s wrong with our lifestyles.

        • Ray in VT

          I’d rather not go to Branson or Vegas.  The one reason that I had to go to Vegas was Star Trek: the Experience, and they closed that.  Now, Bronson, Missouri I might visit.

  • Mouse_2012

    Speaker=
    Obama didn’t do anything in his term save our country

    Same Speaker=
    Obama has done so much in his term save our country

  • J__o__h__n

    This campaign has let me to respect Romney quite a bit.  Too bad it is George not Mitt. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Anyone who could make a go of it selling AMCs has some gumption and grit. Too bad none of it was passed on in the gene pool

  • Brandstad

    Is it OK that Obama will be campaigning when the hurricane hits?

     

    • J__o__h__n

      Isn’t that a local issue?  Why take federal socialist FEMA money and support? 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      I thought your side was still whining over Obama not becoming a hermit during the other side’s convention.

      (Of course, Rudy 9iu11ani and Mitt Romney were actually inside the hall providing “analysis” of the last DNC convention. All one needs to know.)

    • jimino

      Maybe he can appear with Gov. Jindahl when the Governor gives his speech proclaiming “thank God for the federal government and the taxpayers of all the other citizens of these UNITED states, without which the great state of Louisiana would be in a great deal of trouble.”

    • Acnestes

      Ah, the trolls are here.  It must be frustrating to you not to be the biggest lamprey in the pond over at Fox Nation.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

    “Selecting Paul Ryan shows Romney is serious about policy.”-Chaffetz. How many minutes to wait for someone to countermand this with one nugget of truth about Ryan’s numbers?

    And on deck is David Gurgle.

    This hour is going into the time capsule of Public Radio Polite Fail.

  • Mouse_2012

    Mass. is not as Blue as one believes. A 3rd of the voters are independent and tend to elect Republicans Gov. than Democratic ones.

    Besides Romney is running away from being a Moderate, Ran away from his Romney Mandated Care in Ma.
    Romney “I’m a “severe” Conservative”

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       No, no. As of yesterday he is PROUD of the MA health care law.

      • Mouse_2012

        sorry I missed the flip.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        He’s proud of it now?

        Jeez, that’s what I get for not reading the headlines since Monday morning.

  • sickofthechit

    I think the Debt Clock is an excellent idea.  Problem is they should have two. One that shows the $5 trillion in Debt since Obama took office and one that shows the $11 trillion in Debt given us by Bush and the Republicans from 2000-2008. Maybe the Democrats would realize the power of that image.

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       You need to ‘stock’ it with the debt racked up under Reagan and Bush I then add in the Bush II debt.

    • jirohwein

      The original US govt debt clock and its 2004 replacement running in Times Sq since 1989

       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Debt_Clock

  • J__o__h__n

    What does he mean the reason for Mitt’s candidacy is turning around the economy?  This whole thing is an ego trip.  Why did he run four years ago then? 

  • JGC

    Yesterday the PA Republican nominee for U.S. Senate, Tom Smith, who opposes abortion in all circumstances, compared his own daughter’s out-of-wedlock pregnancy decision as being a similar decision by any woman who is pregnant as a result of rape.  He tried to clarify later, but the Akin is out of the bag.

    Is the “no exceptions” clause on abortions a part of the official Republican Platform?   

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       Right. I really wonder if his daughter had gotten pregnant as a victim of rape instead of consensual sex, he would be happily fixing up the nursery.

    • jimino

      Maybe he can give the convention speech which lays out the amount of prison time Republicans think is appropriate for any women who get an abortion and for all those health care providers who are involved. 

    • sickofthechit

       Yes, no exceptions for rape, incest or the health of the mother.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      “Choice for mine, but not for thine” he said?

      The antiquated pronouns bring us back to the time when we were subjects of the royalty chosen via Divine Right of Kings, touched by God himself (and I do mean “him”).

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    If Romney genuinely believed one set of things before and had a conversion in his thinking, I would accept that as principled.  What I see is a man who will do and say anything to be president.

    • Ray in VT

      That is my boss’s take on the man.  I believe that his exact words were “he’s not crazy, he’s just craven.”

      Politically the view of him that you have expressed is probably one of his biggest problems.  It seems like a lot of people, even those who are falling in line behind his candidacy, aren’t sure about some of his positions based upon his past stances.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

         I’m supporting Gary Johnson this time around.

    • J__o__h__n

      Or if it were only on one or two issues. 

      • Mouse_2012

        The Obama camp should take the ads of Kerry flip flopping and replace it with Romney.

  • Prairie_W

    Already the behaviors at the convention have a more Soviet than democratic flavor.  Oh wait.  I forgot.  The Republican party is trying to erase the democratic component of this erstwhile democratic republic.

    Don’t miss this:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/security-at-the-rnc-george-orwell-meets-a-call-of-duty-cityscape/261644/

  • Mouse_2012

    Jennifer Rubin just another onpoint resident xenophobic racist.

  • Mouse_2012

    though I disagree with Gergen he’s one of the few that have any insight in politics and tends to bring a interesting take on things

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HUHWX4TIAZRFNFYCWUE43OZDUQ 7LeagueBoots

    Do the republicans actually ever look at the real numbers on government growth?  They always talk about reducing government size and cutting back spending and always do the opposite.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    What *is* the plan, Mr. Romney?  Don’t dumb it down — we’ll catch on pretty quick…

    Neil

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The Republicans had the numbers and full opportunity to “fix” government spending a decade ago. If I remember correctly, since they got to push through the spending they wanted, the subject never came up.

  • Mouse_2012

    ROTFL,

    “We just need a president that will sign things” so true

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      “All we need is a hand with a pen in it.” — Saint Grover

  • http://www.facebook.com/jbfox3 Jane B Fox

    I find it amazing that Republicans are upset that the Democrats are not fixing the mess they made fast enough. It’s just amazing!

    • Mouse_2012

      It is,

      But smart in the terms of politics, Republican run of failure of government so when government fails it’s good for their relection and if they tend to lose than their well aware that democrats will not be able to fix it really quick so they can run against Democrats not fixing the issues(many which the republicans created) fast enough. Than can double down on the failed policies and run on government cant’ do anything right.

      Rise,wash and repeat.

      It’s called “the two santa claus theory”

  • Satwa

    It was the WINTER Olympics – much smaller, in Utah which Prime Minister David Cameron called “the middle of no-where”, and the money Romney raised was already scheduled to come to the event … from the Government! It was government money that saved the Olympics, and Romney is all against government help for anything ….except the military.

  • Brandstad

    Test

    • Mouse_2012

      mic test

  • J__o__h__n

    Wasn’t Romney already on record about not raising taxes even to reduce the deficit during one of the primary debates?

    • jimino

      Will the convention attendees pledge allegiance to the flag or to Grover Norquist?  The latter would be a more honest pledge.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    So how many are going to go up to the podium, and go on  about how the Obama years have ruined them financially?

    As far as I know they’ve all done well.

    • sickofthechit

       Dow Jones 2009 at 6,500 now sits at 13,000+.

  • sickofthechit

    -He did it in the Olympics with Government help!
    -He raided Pension Funds and loaded on debt to line his own pockets while at Bane.
    -He is so greedy and selfish he thinks nothing of deducting $76,000 off his taxes for a horse (for a net savings of $10,000) while making $20,000,000!

  • J__o__h__n

    How was passing national Romney-care going far to the left?

  • Kathy

    When one of your guests claims that Mr. Obama moved “to the far left” why don’t you challenge them on something that is an outright distortion of his moderate policies?

    • Mouse_2012

      Good Question but that wouldn’t be “Fair and Balance”

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    The GOP is the party of extremism. The Republican party needs a George Romney to stand up to the lowest common denominator. Too late for that to happen: the Republican party needs to stand up to Norquist and the Tea Party and grow a backbone next election cycle.

    America needs to stand up to GOP. They created THE problem then by design blocked solutions to blame the Democrats and are now peddling the same policies that created the problem to those blinded by anger and fear and handicapped with poor memories.

    Enough of these meaningless sound bytesand code words. Wake up America!

  • Jeff Weideman

    Because Congress refused to work with Obama it’s all Obama’s fault? Are you Tea Baggers that stupid? Come on. You can’t stack the deck then accuse others for cheating.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      Of course you can. Haven’t you been paying attention for the past thirty years?

      • Jeff Weideman

         Drew, that’s not a reason, that’s an excuse.

  • OnpointListener

    Gergen talks about the big choice ahead.

    The country made that choice when Bush and Cheney were voted in.Ask Gergen:  How is the finacial outcome going to be different when Romney is elected?  Romney’s fiscal policy is Bush on steriods.  

    Romney also wants to finish the job Bush started:  plunder our national treasure, steal water and oil and gas resources that belong to all of us, including future generations.

    See Cheney circa 2005, when he pushed through legislation excepting the natural gas industry from the clean air and clean water acts and opening up lands held in trust for the public to be pillaged and squandered by the fracking industry.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    So – what happened to all the “anybody but Romney” folks? I remember early on there were droves of them. The only ones left appear to be handful of Ron Paul holdouts.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      The media has driven the rest of the herd into the proper pasture.

    • Brandstad

      I think they came to the realization that at least Romney isn’t a Socialist

  • Matt Wade

    Mittens has zero integrity. He’ll say anything to get elected. Not all Iowans can be so dumb, can they?

    • jimino

      Some of them keep re-electing Steve King, so many are.

    • Brandstad

      And this is opposed to Obama who ran in 08 on  hope and change but never told us what he wanted to change America into?  We have seen how those promises turned out.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      They bought seventy-six trombones, didn’t they?

  • Jeff Weideman

     Lady IF anyone holds money back to force the economy into recession to get rid of Obama it’s not Obama who is to blame. Get off your high horse lady.

  • Mike_Card

    Sounds like Tom’s call screeners have designated this “whack-doodle” holiday.

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    Rene, stop peddling the ‘fear’ and ‘uncertainty’ about investment. That’s propaganda from the Republican National Corporate enrichment machine. If there is opportunity for investment, business folk invest. The opportunity is overseas, thanks, in part, to our Bushenomic tax structure.

  • Matt Wade

    Obama has not governed as a “far-left” politician, Mr. Chaffetz. He’s governed as a moderate republican because the GOP has become so extreme he’s had no choice. Also, the GOP is unapologetically racist.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

      The “far left” these days is just a hair to the right of where Bush was.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        Reagan looks pretty leftish compared to the current wingnuts.

        Obama is one of the last surviving “Rockefeller republicans”. Anyone who says he’s on the far left has drank too much Kool Aid. It’s an idiotic statement. The “socialist” ACA, for example, is straight out of the Heritage Foundation and Romenycare. Nixon, Ford, Eisenhower and the Bushes wd be completely comfortable wit it.

  • Matt Wade

    Mittens is not a problem-solver, he’s a problem-creator. Just look at all his advisors, they are all Bushies.

  • kannan_t

    Running a country is not the same as running a business. If anything, it is more like running a family. You can’t fire a citizen – it’s like asking a child to leave because your income went down.

  • J__o__h__n

    On Point should host a debate between Furguson and Krugman. 

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      I agree.

      Too bad Krugman jumped the shark.  He used to have some reasonable ideas.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WDIOY7RQ3F5EAR4EAP5FKRS52M bethrjacobs
    • WorriedfortheCountry

      Obama didn’t cancel his campaign trips.

      McCain suspended his campaign during the financial crisis and it effectively killed his chances.
       

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        McCain suspended his campaign to announce the Alaskan Quitbull?

        McCain told David Letterman “I gotta get the first flight back to DC to do some Senating, pronto!” and a few hours later popped up in another TV studio in NYC. That’s what I call “killing chances”: Acting like one needs to be the next big crisis leader (like the fake image of Rudy Giuliani) and not even following through on it.

  • TribalGuitars

    Both parties need to listen to what business has been saying for the last couple years: Make a decision on taxes! Lower, higher, or keep them the same, they just want something defined and set so they can decide what to do with the $2T-plus that they’re sitting on while waiting for Washington to actually do something.  

    • Kathy

      This is just a Republican talking point. Business doesn’t leave profits on the table because they’re afraid that they’ll pay a few more percent in taxes on them. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Yep. Statistically speaking, rich people don’t want to spend their accumulating piles of dough on yet one more “trophy reward”, a car, yacht or vacation home. It’s simply not as much fun to get that twentieth classic car in your garage as it is to buy your first or second.

        And the riffraff (that’s me!) can’t spur the additional demand that makes some of that “idle” money a good investment in making and selling widgets.

        Of course, the riffraff haven’t statistically had a raise since the beginning of the Bush II recovery.

    • sickofthechit

       It’s actually $3 trillion they are sitting on now.

    • TribalGuitars

       What business, or person, is going to want to sink money in something that could be an albatross around their necks if the next bit of regulation/deregulation, or tax law or loophole that makes it a bad investment? 
        If they started debating the tax credit on mortgage interest we’d see the real estate biz grind to a halt because who would want to buy not knowing what  price range to be shopping in? 
        Biz has been screaming “Make up our mind!” to Congress for years now and still nothing.

  • Matt Wade

    The GOP found the debt clock they lost for 8 years! Unfortunately most of it is composed of GOP policies (2 tax cuts and 2 wars, yikes!)

    http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benenAD3AFDF7-A0ED-0574-058F-B627DAE32FEC.jpg&width=600

    • sickofthechit

       Plus the unfunded Medicare drug benefit.

  • Michiganjf

    Romney changes positions not as he evolves “intellectually,” but rather monthly as the “focus group” results roll in.

    His single goal is to prove that he’s something more than his daddy’s trust fund baby.

  • Obvious Sock-Puppet

    One is supposedly unable to worship both God and Mammon.  I believe this to be true, but that the Republicans in their bizarre combination of Marketolatry and Dominionist theocracy—the ‘natural’ child of Calvin and Rand—believe that they have squared this circle.

    Of course, blind adherence to any idea of what the economy should be leads to ruin, whether that be statist tyranny or the the tyranny of the rich that supposèd laissez-faire always becomes…always.  (Capitalism turns into oligarchic rule by the biggest capitalists, just as Communism turns into oligarchic rule by those high up enough in the Party.)  And blind adherence to one particular (or one particular set) of versions of what the voices in their heads told my shepherd ancestors is both inherently ruinous and oppresses both decent atheists and agnostics and every _other_ set of interpretations of those voices.

    • sickofthechit

       So what do you do?

  • Matt Wade

    The Onion has been killing it lately.

    Things That Shouldn’t Be Said In Modern Society To Be Said At Least 1,400 Times At RNChttp://www.theonion.com/articles/things-that-shouldnt-be-said-in-modern-society-to,29336/ 

  • J__o__h__n

    Why doesn’t she argue for a less idealogical congress instead of claiming that Mitt is a moderate instead of the “severe conservative” he claimed?

  • Mouse_2012

    Xenophobic Rubin attempts to spin things for Romney.

    Big suprise right?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

     Tom, one question.

    Why do YOU hate Mitt Romney?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=605900884 Darryl Pendergrass

    I think that this election is a choice between the economic policies that lead to the current recession and the ones that have failed to bring us out of the recession…

    I do believe that the Ryan Romney econmic plan is a gigger disaster than George W Bushs was and Rmoney’s energy plan is not an energy plan but a Koch brothers wish list.

  • Shabtai_Zvi

    “To a Jew, a convert always seems as a sentry on guard who deserts his post.”

  • Matt Wade

    Rubin has to be so dizzy from spinning Romney’s ever-changing platform. Did she really say Obama lacks empathy? wow.

    • J__o__h__n

      I thought that wasn’t a virtue.  Remember the Republicans throwing a fit during the Supreme Court nominations?

  • J__o__h__n

    Rubin is clueless.  Obama tried to compromise well past the point that he should have realized that it was a waste of time. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507593666 Josh DeYoung

    Romney,
    Throw off the shackle of social conservatism and truly apply the ideals of freedom and open market to society, ie get the government out of controlling marriages, abortions and drugs and you might have a chance.
    Black markets are the problem! It is stupid to think that making something illegal will stop people from doing it.

  • Steve__T

    Is Mitt my man. NO, NO, a thousand times NO!

  • Mike_Card

    I pity this putz Chaffetz’s constituents–he doesn’t have a friggin’ clue about ANYthing.

    • J__o__h__n

      I don’t mind his cluelessness as there should be a Republican guest during their convention.  I expect more from an analyst than Rubin has proven to be this morning. 

  • sickofthechit

    This guy is a liar about the first years of the Obama Presidency.

    The Republicans think that their first obligation is to their party instead of their country.  That is what lead our senator Mitch McConnell to falsely believe that his main responsibility was to make Obama a one term President.  His main responsibility was to serve the best interests of the country as a whole for the good of the majority.  Their blocking and intransigence dampened the recovery. Charles A. Bowsher

  • Jasoturner

    Jennifer Rubin!?!  For god’s sake, she is so bad she’s not even wrong.
     
    C’mon On Point.  Don’t serve up drek in the name of “balanced” analysis.  Let’s go for quality, shall we?

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    Romney is center-right? Not yet, he has to twist the knobs a lot more.

    Romney didn’t raise taxes in MA, he raised “fees”. There is no difference to the wallet of the common person.

    • Ellen Dibble

      I actually thought he was running for president even while governor in Massachusetts.  Often our governors seem to have an eye on the national spotlight.  Anyway, he probably wanted to expand the base of people who could support him and take on board what was best of the Democratic party approach.  Having been here, starting a business of my own at the time, I discovered problems with the conglomerated approach he/they seemed to be coming up with.  It can be called Win/Win, making it appealing to the rich to sustain the poor, appealing also to both Dems and Republicans, but actually squelches growth in important ways, mostly where people have the least and least organized voice.  It empowers the powerful but feels good about itself along the way.  The devil is in the details, and often details that don’t materialize for a few years, or decades.  I listen to the stories of people starting businesses, state by state, with their concerns and hopes, challenges and frustrations.  That’s where the rubber hits the road, unless you want to use Wall Street casino growth.  I’m not at all convinced the Romney clan knows about that level of challenge, yet some huge proportion of Americans are at that level.

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    How many deals has Obama, how many concessions were made in the interest of unblocking the political constipation created by the Republican Congress. The Tea Party congress effectively pulled the pin out of the hand grenade.

    The immigration ‘problem’ was created by the GOP to polarize the voters. It was not an economic priority in the first two years. They have succeeded in alienating Hispanics. Good job guys.

  • DrewInGeorgia

    Jennifer Rubin….Point of Fact: You’re Delusional.

  • Matt Wade

    The only Establishment republican left is Mitten’s IRA account.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

    To the elderly,
    If you vote for this etch-a-sketch character and elect him, there is absolutely no way to go back to the good o’days of Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. Yes, there will absolutely be NO recourse. You will be alone handling medical bills stuck right to you from Paul Ryan’s office.

  • Ellen Dibble

    The conventions seem importantly to be about the parties, not the candidates.  Focus on what kind of candidates they are putting up  at the district level, and connect with all the news people and delegates who can tell you about that.

  • Gordon Green

    Jennifer Rubin seems intent on blaming the gridlock on Obama, completely neglecting the total intransigence of the Republicans.  Given the endless drumbeat of Republican idiocy and intransigence, I see no reason to think any gridlock is not entirely their fault, or believe the spin of your right-wing guests, who seem bent on dutifully “catapulting the propaganda” on behalf of their team.  Obama has been more than conciliatory from day one, and even, after all that has happened, continues to be.

  • VenetianMike

    I find it interesting that OnPoint has chosen “Fake Empire” as its theme music for the RNC convention coverage — “half-awake in a fake empire.” …..

  • TinaWrites

    Alice in Wonderland, or is it Thru the Looking Glass?!!  The woman who called in early in the show who said that Mitt had “integrity”….the KNOWN “etch-a-sketch” has “integrity”???!!!  And, she said that President Obama does not???!!!  

    The caller who came after her has LISTENED to what is actually happening in the news and in politics!  He can separate the spin from the actual facts!  The woman just drinks cool-aid; the man is an intelligent voter.

    • TinaWrites

      And Bravo to the woman who called in whose brother was in the same business school as Romney!  She pointed out so much about Romney’s M.O.! 

      The woman who called in just before her, who was hoping for Obama’s hope and change; got disappointed in him; and now, she’s going to vote for Romney to get the change she wants.  Has she studied ALL the implications for her choice?  To me, she will be acting out of the same Magical Thinking she thinks she operated out of before, only the implications about what will be in store are a lot more available to see this time, so I don’t get WHY she would ignore looking at those implications!!

  • J__o__h__n

    The Republicans didn’t pick Romney because he was the least conservative.  They got stuck with him when all of the right wing lunatics’ campaigns failed.  If there had been a single credible more conservative alternative he or she would have won.  Rubin is not offering anything of value.  Don’t book her again.

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       Yep, he was the best of the batch of bad.
      - The vast majority of the country are not far right conservatives though those who are think the opposite. That blew out a couple.
      - Apparently enough voters remember Gingrich for what he was, except the guy who blew millions of his own money (that IS trickle down) propping up Gingrich when there wasn’t popular support funding his campaign.

      And on it goes. That left Romney.

      • J__o__h__n

        Mitt switches his views even more often than Newt switches wives.

  • Kathryn Henderson

    The female panelist mentioned how Mitt Romney didn’t raise taxes in Massachusetts. Really depends on how you define tax. He raised fees over and over again which disproportionately affect poor and working class citizens. That way he was able to maintain his promise by a a matter of semantics. Ridiculous

  • Matt Wade
  • Ellen Dibble

    It sounds like even Romney could be “becalmed,” as Ashbrook puts it, saying “becalmed as Obama eventually was,” something like that.  The pressure the parties can bring to bear?  They (in Congress) can apparently simply stonewall, until the Norquist types are satisfied.  Is the problem the parties themselves?

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       Depends on the makeup of the House and Senate.

      • Ellen Dibble

        Somewhere I heard that Harry Reid’s political financial resources directed a million dollars to support the guy challenging Senator McCaskill, who presented the idea of “legitimate rape,” betting that he’d be the most beatable candidate.  I think that’s the level where the functionality of the next Congress is being determined.  I don’t know where Reid gets those money-bags or whether that was really true.  But it seems to be more of the Money Talks, more of the Citizens United decision guaranteeing that national/organized mountains of money (the more money you have, the more “voice” you have, the more power) push around this election even at the local level.  It makes me quite cynical.

        • BHA_in_Vermont

           Yep, that is why I advocate real and serious campaign reform. The Supreme Court is WRONG – Money IS NOT SPEECH.

          - NO money from ANY PERSON who does not live in the district you represent or will not be governed by a bill that is being considered. Think all the money from outside CA on Prop 8.
          - Money from businesses/groups must be in line with their “presence” in an area:
            – the same or lower percentage of total gross income they get from the district you represent or where the bill is being considered.
            – the same percentage (or lower) of ALL the business’s/group’s political donations.

          Meaning:
           - if a PERSON doesn’t live in Vermont they can’t give money to any candidate running for office in Vermont nor for/against any bill being considered. You are NOT represented by the person, nor governed by the bill – you should have no “voice”.
           - if your gross income from business done in Vermont or donations (for 401C3s, PACS, unions, whatever) is 10% of your total gross income or donations, your total campaign spending on Vermont races or bills can not be more than 10% of your gross income/donations from all sources nor more than 10% of the total of ALL campaign spending.

          This, of course, breaks down for the Presidential races. The rich and powerful could still buy the election.

  • Steve__T

    I don’t hate the man, I just don’t want him in the White House.
    Discus did it again. This was a reply to W F T C

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    No one did there home work with those Tea Party candidates clueless about their contradictory counterproductive positions.

  • Michiganjf

    Your conservative talking head Rubin says “no Republican candidates read the pary platform…”

    She is admitting that Republican party leaders pay lip service to the far right, then ignore them when it comes to governing!

    Love it!!

    Republican voters prove again and again what chumps they are when it comes to being taken by the corporate elite and their government (R) lackeys!

    Keep voting against your own and the rest of our interests, pawns!

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    Romney would create more jobs by starting a business that employs people than by becoming president. He has no plan other than the same old “cut taxes and it will trickle down” BS. He has plenty of money to start a lot of businesses.

    • Brandstad

      I would take more Reagan style trickle down over Obamas trickle up poverty any day!

      • jefe68

        It’s been proven beyond a doubt that Reagan’ trickle down theory was a huge failure, so much so that even one of the Reagan’ economic advisers (David Stockman) agrees that it was a failure.
        And a huge one at that. So given these facts, I know facts are hard to deal with, are overwhelming you are going to post this kind of stuff?

  • jim_thompson

    The GOP certainly didn’t rush to nominate Romney.  The base jumped from one right wing fringe-and frankly tainted-candidate to another before Romney spent mega millions getting this nomination.  Your guests talk about Romney having to reach out and work to govern.  Folks, perhaps if the GOP wins the White House the Democrats won’t be so quick to help him enact the right wing agenda.  Having voted for Romney when he was a self described “progressive Massachusetts Republican” when he ran in 1994 and 2000 I can assure you  I will not vote for the current Romney…I do not know this candidate versus the Mitt from Mass.  By the way I do think that President Obama will be re-elected.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    This is going to go down as the greatest flimflam in history – passing off the destruction of the middle class as a “failed” economy. The 1% is making more money faster than ever. No one scaling the podium at the convention is going to be able to honestly say the Obama years have hurt their finances. This has not been a “failed” economy for them.

    But if they win and make the cuts and austerity they want, they’ll just blame the resulting disaster for the middle class on the Democrats while they walk away with their winnings.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    The Obama supporters are sounding desperate this morning.

    Interesting that two of them used the term chameleon.  I guess the Axelrod talking points are in full force.  The call screener should do a better job weeding out the plants.

    • Mouse_2012

      twit twit twit

      • Steve__T

         more like nitwit.

  • Matt Wade
  • Ellen Dibble

    Blind trust for Mitt? Can’t he instruct the blind trust to keep his money where it helps his country? It’s not like that is so risky that he would starve.

    • J__o__h__n

      He already hides his money off shore. 

    • BHA_in_Vermont

       There is a wide berth in blind trust involvement.
      - He can’t say “buy this stock” but he can say “minimize my taxes”.
      - He can’t say “invest in oil” but he can let them know he wants to invest in oil buy his actions. The fund managers aren’t stupid, they can pick up a hint. Same as “I’m not coordinating with the PAC”. You don’t have to, they know the message “their” candidate wants to get across and will act accordingly.  It is a VERY thin wall. Want a cup of coffee? Just stay on your side of the wall and I’ll pass it through the holes.

  • Rex Henry

    If Romney was a true “Patriot” in the Republican terminology, he would have kept his money in America and let it be taxed to help his country. Instead, he kept it to himself.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       He paid the identical taxes that he would have paid if the accounts were in the US.

      • Mouse_2012

        Yet he moved his money oversea?

        feel free to explain if he’s going to pay the same taxes as he would in the U.S. he would take such effort to move it oversea?

        Something smells..

      • Acnestes

        OK then, let’s see those tax returns!  Trust but verify, eh?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      Hell, I don’t know that “Patriot” means anything to the right anymore.

      I mean, Romney skipped serving in Vietnam (while supporting it). How much more GOP-Patriotic can one get?

  • Matt Wade

    There is NO BLIND TRUST, Mittens have been actively managing his accounts for years! Chaffetz is a liar!

    • Brandstad

      Proof?
       
      I guess you don’t need any.  Why don’t we just throw him in jail while we are at it?
       
      That darn Constitution.
       

  • Mouse_2012

    look look,

    The guy right now is complaining the U.S. Corp tax isn’t like Europe.

  • BHA_in_Vermont

    Which commentator just played the “jealous” card?
    We NOT rich are NOT jealous, we just want an equal playing field. When you can pay < 15% tax on $20M of NO WORK income, something is wrong.

    • sickofthechit

       When 20% own 88% its almost not worth playing.

  • sickofthechit

    This guys a liar.  Romney is on video tape as saying that “…trusts can be worked around’ with a wink wink to follow.

    Romney’s trust and income documents must really be ugly, otherwise we would be able to see them.

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    I don’t care about the blind trust. I care about how he made his fortune: as a true vulture capitalist.

    Romney wants to use the same road map that got us into this ditch. I guess they think that we all have the memory of a goldfish.

  • Matt Wade

    The solution to getting the nation out of the GOP-created mess is to vote out the GOP. Act accordingly.

    • Brandstad

      Please read a little history and know some current events before posting here.

      We had Democrat control of all branches of government for 2 years and things got WORSE not better! 2008-2010

      • Ray in VT

        Actually, it was January 2009-January 2011, and I think that if you read a little history before posting here, then you will easily see that it was early on during that time that the decline that began in late 2007 and early 2008 bottomed out and began the slow, somewhat steady, upwards turn that we are still in the middle of.

      • Steve__T

         You Have A Lot O Nerve. The Repubs here don’t even like or agree with what you say, put a sock in it.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Not two years, hack. Do we have to go over the history of LoserNormColeman again?

      • BHA_in_Vermont

         Yes, history started in Jan 2008. Nothing happened before that. 
        - Got news for you, the housing bubble BURST in 2008, it didn’t start then.
        - The unfunded wars started before 2008
        - The massive expansion of the National Debt started before 2008
        - The tax cuts with no spending reductions started before 2008

        And the growth of government that the Republicans rail against ? Can you spell Department of Homeland Security? Started Nov 25, 2002. 240,000 employees, $60B budget FY 2012

  • Mouse_2012

    Gergen says such yet Wall Street is waiting for the Fed(The government) response and what actions there going to take in regards to the economy

  • Matt Wade

    Politico on Romney’s potential Cabinet. Holy crap, looks at this murderer’s row of partisan hacks.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80233.html?hp=f1 

  • DrewInGeorgia

    To the caller who said “Obama did nothing, anybody’s better”. If that caller had been paying attention for the past three decades she would realize that all of our current woes are not the result of Obama becoming President.

    This Romney infomercial is killing me, thank goodness it’s over. Oh, wait, we still Have Hour 2 to go. yay.

    • Brandstad

      While Obama likes to blame all of his shortcomings on Bush, I don’t blame Obama for everything that is going wrong right now, but he is responsible for a lot of what is wrong. 
       
      Obama has been leading from behind domestically and internationally if at all.  No one knows what Obama’s ideas are and we often have to as Nancy Pelosi said, “But we have to pass the [health care ] bill so that you can find out what is in it …so that you can find out what is in it …” 
       
      Obama has also engineered the worst economic recovery since the great depression and he said the private sector is “doing fine”.  If this is fine, do we really want him as a leader? Or do we have a higher level of expectations for our Commander and Chief?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Your comment has been placed on anonymous hold and will not appear until 60% of the board votes in favor.

        • Steve__T

           That aint gonna happen

      • Ray in VT

        So what do you think about Governor Romney’s recent statements regarding how big business if “doing fine” and are not overly burdened by regulations?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Justin.A.Haber Justin Haber

    So Romney is going to use his business experience to “save” the USA?  Does that mean he is going to sell off under-performing states and deport unproductive citizens?

  • Scott Lemire

    Tom, do you think you should be less biased whilst interviewing guests? This is sickening to listen to…unbearable, actually…

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Let’s see what Tom’s attitude is next week at the Dem convention. 

      Let’s see him ask Obama supporter’s about Obama’s flips, broken promises and failures with an snide ‘etch -a- sketch’ crack.

      • sickofthechit

        The etch-a-sketch originated with a Romney worker.  Seems to be fair game.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

          But you forget IOKIYAR rules: “Anyone using my words in context from this appearance is lying.”

          (h/t Newt Gingrich)

        • TomK_in_Boston

          Eric Fernstrom, romney advisor, said they would reconfigure the Etchasketch after the primaries. The definition of a “gaffe” is a pol saying what he really thinks. 

          C’mon, worried, the guy is an Etchasketch. The label is perfect, as is “multiple choice”:

          1994 – Debate with Sen. Ted Kennedy”I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country,” Romney said at the time. “I have since the time my mom took that position since she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe vs. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice. And my personal beliefs, like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign.”Kennedy responded, “I am pro-choice, my opponent is multiple choice.”Romney asked for rebuttal time and said, “I have my own beliefs and those beliefs are very dear to me. One of them is that I do not impose my beliefs on other people. Many, many years ago I had a dear, close family relative that was very close to me that passed away from an illegal abortion. It is since that time that my mother and my family have committed to the belief that we can believe as we want but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter and you will not see me wavering on that or be a multiple choice.”

          • BHA_in_Vermont

             “One of them is that I do not impose my beliefs on other people.”

            ROTFLMAOWPIMP

            Romney spent 2 1/2 years in France doing his “convert the non believers” Mormon mission.  I wonder how successful he was.

            Give me a break.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           You are missing the point. 

          Tom wreaks of anti-Romney bias.

          Let’s see if Tom has an anti-Obama bias next week like he did with Romney today.

          He could use the famous Obama line: “You didn’t build that”

          • TomK_in_Boston

            You mean when the President said that business owners didn’t build the infrastructure that supported their own efforts, and the GoP mounted a massive campaign of lies claiming he really said they didn’t build their businesses? They disgust me, their Big Lie approach would make Goebbels proud.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             LOL.

            Obama and the Chicago Axelrod team are the propagandists.  Everything Obama has done over the last 18 months has been cynically political.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Zero content.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Same as your post.  That was intentional btw.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Huh? It is in fact an outrageous lie to say  Obama said they didn’t build their businesses. That’s content. All you offered was a content-free talking point.

          • jefe68

            Not to mention the very convention center that the GOP is holding their convention in. Built with 62% of tax revenue as a municipal project.

          • J__o__h__n

            He had two conservative advocates and one moderate.  When he questioned them, of course he would appear critical of the right. 

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            And, of course, having the host of a public radio program be the left-most person on the panel is a setup for broadcasting failure.

            One cannot be a polite host and beat back the flood of right-wing crap at the same time.

            It’s getting to where if one wants a real left-winger on a public radio show, the only place to go is the listener line.

          • BHA_in_Vermont

             Yep, take it out of context. It is the only way to make your point.

            Look at the context. Would ANYONE with a business be able to be in business if it were not for the infrastructure? Would ANYONE with a job have it without the infrastructure?

          • TomK_in_Boston

            Exactly. There are hard working people all over the world. The only reason why American entrepreneurs are more likely to succeed than those in Haiti is because we have roads, electricity, police and fire, educated workers, people doing gvt-funded basic research that can be commercialized, etc. Success comes from a partnership of the public and private sectors. We knew that in the 50s and 60s, which was the time when the middle class was moving up every year. Now the romney types want us to forget it. I am really sick of the “born on 3′rd base and think they hit a triple” crowd.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            BLASPHEMER! lol

            How dare you call out American Exceptionalism!

            ;’)

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Who is disputing the need for infrastructure?  This is a false strawman.

            We are calling out the faux ‘it takes a village’ nonsense.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            “You didn’t build that” is your point. Just not the way you think it is.

            Any more lines you want to “miscomprehend” for us?

          • jefe68

            So, don’t like it don’t listen.
            I could say the same thing about a host of FOX presenters. I don’t because I know that’s their game.
            If I don’t want to hear it I turn it off or better yet just don’t bother to listen to their shows.

            You right wing folks are real whiners.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             I like Tom.  I think he usually does a good job.  However, he does have a few blind spots and I’m trying to help him out.

        • TomK_in_Boston

          To help Worried, here’s the exact quote. Fernie was asked if romney had gone too far to the right in the primaries and…:

          “Well, I think you hit a reset button for the fall campaign,” Fehrnstrom replied. “Everything changes. It’s almost like an Etch A Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and we start all over again.”

          Since romney is already the flipflopper of all time (“abortion should be safe and legal”), that statement sets off even more alarm bells for those of us who look for a President to have some core values. I guess Worried doesn’t care about that.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            I agree. Worried For The Country? Wanna Frak The Country (and themselves in the process) is more like it.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Only one flip flop to the voters.

            Obama’s had far more and much more recently.

      • J__o__h__n

        Romney’a aide said “etch-a-sketch” not one of Obama’s.  Obama is running to the left of where he was in 2008 so the etch-a-sketch comment isn’t even relevant. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

    Tom,
    To your Republican commentator, I and perhaps many other people are not jealous because Romney became successful as a venture capitalist. I have no problem with his success. He EARNED his success.

    My problem with Romney is he is a fraud and a pathological liar. Sadly, some desperate voters are ok with him being a pathological liar and willing to bend their principles. Not me, he was NEVER someone who will help the middle class… If he did not stand for the middle class in Massachusetts, what makes you think he will as the President of this great nation?

    A Fraud will always be a Fraud… and Romney is a Fraud.

    • Brandstad

      I love your use of baseless accusations but they would be much more impactful if you had some shred of evidence to back them up!  How is Romney “a fraud and a pathological liar?”

      • J__o__h__n

        He promised to be better on gay rights than Ted Kennedy.  He claimed to be pro-choice. 

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           Distortion.  He explained in gory detail why he shifted.  In effect, he did apologize to the voters because it was a broken pledge.

          btw – he was always pro-life personally but would govern as pro-choice.

          I don’t remember a huge outrage in MA when he made his announcement.  Some Dems (like Fineran?) praised him.  Of course, the hand wringers at the Globe had a problem with it.

          Sort of the opposite of Obama who shifted ‘personally’ on gay marriage but won’t do anything about it (which is a lie because his administration is not upholding the defense of marriage act).

          • J__o__h__n

            It isn’t a distortion.  Check what he said when he campaigned for senator and governor. 

            Obama didn’t run with opposing gay marriage as a campaign promise.  He supported 99% of gay rights and stated that his views could change on that subject in his book.  Unlike Romney’s book, he didn’t substantially change it for subsequent printings. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

        two words bud:
        Bain Capital

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           What is wrong with Bain?

          Bill Clinton said it was ‘stellar’.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

            no doubt… but try again… use the context we have originally ok?

            and ask your friend Romney to be an original instead of hiding his fake identity. 

            actually i don’t even know what he is? a moderate conservative? a extreme right wing conservative? or a fake “don’t know where i stand” conservative.

            he needs to talk to his base and straighten himself out… and i think so do you.

            btw.. i wish we can see his taxes prior to 2010. that will reveal his lies and fraud, ok?

      • jefe68

        All of his political rhetoric has been proven to be false. It’s a given that in elections we are subjected to exaggerations, embellishments, distortions, and half-truths. Romney just lies and does it over and over again. Why? Because it’s working. His campaign is cynical and the sad thing is people like you are going for it.

        • Brandstad

          If Romney just lies and does it over and over again, then give me 10 examples!

    • J__o__h__n

      George Romney earned his success by running companies that employed workers and make things.  Mitt was born rich and then became even richer by gutting companies, shipping jobs overseas, and avoiding taxes. 

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Romney is a pathological liar?

      What does that make Obama?

      Have you seen the lies and distortions spouted by the Obama campaign.  They are shameless.

      btw – I think the Obama campaign strategy has seriously hurt his brand.  I’ve heard a bunch of low information voters comment that they voted for Obama but now they are fed up and part of the reason is the tenor of his campaign.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Your idea of what truth and lying is pathetic, yet predictable.

        And your concern trolling is cute. If I were a Democratic pol and you were saying “that strategy is wrong”, I’d know I was doing something right.

        Are you auditioning for a spot on the Sunday gasbag shows?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

        Yes, Obama did not accomplish some things what he seek out to do in his first term. but can you blame him with a tea party republican congress who only seek to unseat (on the first day Obama went to the white house) and not doing their jobs?

        at least, Our President tried…  but Romney is a FRAUD.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           Tried?  Sorry, not even close.

          He had a solid Dem congress his first two years.  Still, he was not able to sign a budget.  He gave over his two biggest reform agendas (Dodd-Frank and Obamacare) to Nancy Pelosi and we got crap.  Now his name is on them.

          Worse, he seems unable to tackle the nations toughest problems.  I think he is in over his head. 

          He appointed Simpson-Bowles.  They came very close to passing a compromise reform.  Obama ignored the result despite calls from both parties to do something.  He showed zero leadership.

          I have always said that if Obama led on Simpson-Bowles he would be deemed a  successful President and secured a second term victory.  Now not so much.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

            The commission was stocked with centrists, and they passed no report. Their stuff was watered down for Beltway Inbred approval, and it didn’t even get voted out favoraby.

            Do you get obsessed over what a hung jury doesn’t decide also?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             No leadership from Obama.

            No budget in 4 years while running up $6T in new debt is criminal.

          • anamaria23

            Paul Ryan was on the commission and voted against the  outcome because of it’s  tax increase, which pretty well did it in.

            This President has been obstructed at every turn and filibustered as never before.    And yet, you, who defend the indefensible at every chance, including utter lies, would deem him a failure.
            In act, President Obama has accomplished more for the common good than any President in generations,despite the REpub antics.
            He may lose, but when the story is told, it will reveal that we had  a man of intellect and decency at time of  severe crisis who performed admirably all without an iota of help from a REpub Party immersed in ignorance and ill will. 

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Wrong.  That isn’t why he voted against it.

            He voted against it because it didn’t deal with our largest debt driver: health care.

            He is correct in my view.

            Regarding Obama, he isn’t a very good leader.  We shouldn’t be surprised since this is his first leadership position.  It is amazing that he was elected (granted McCain wasn’t a very good alternative).

            Obama might have been a decent man but he is responsible for his hateful campaign. It comes across as — win at all costs. One of those costs is his reputation of decency.

          • fakeDIY

            “Obama might have been a decent man but he is responsible for his hateful campaign. It comes across as — win at all costs. One of those costs is his reputation of decency.”
            So Romney’s campaign is one of sunshine and kitten farts? One of “it’s okay if I don’t win, as long as I TRIED”?

            Have you even seen any of Romney’s ads or outright lies his campaign have produced? Or are you just ignoring them? Methinks you’re a wee bit delusional when it comes to the nature of these campaigns.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

            ah… worried.. tried again. you mix up your facts wrongly again. republicans and especially ryan objected to simpson bowles…

            dude… tried again ok?

            btw… can you tell Romney to reveal his taxes prior to 2010?

      • Duras

        You can go to politifact and see that Romney lies at significantly greater rate than Obama.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Hey Jim,
         How did Romney not stand for the middle class in MA?

      In my view, he instituted common sense reforms that saved the states fiscal crisis without raising broad based taxes.  He was protecting the tax payer.  He did it without being in our face like many politicians who spout “I” over and over again.

      Sounds like a bit of revisionist history.

      btw – the only people I’ve met that didn’t think Romney did good job as Governor are hacks and the Boston Globe.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMDZ3LH5U2B4GAT7J2HS4TCP6E Jim

        did you see what your real estate tax bill was when he was governor? middle class homeowners had to pay for the short fall, due to the tax cuts.

        he rewarded his cronies for the Big Dig project… and allowed unprofessional work to be unfinished… that project costed tax payers money. 

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           Yes, I paid my real estate bill and it didn’t change under Romney.  Maybe your town had some problems?

          Also, Romney tried to take control of the big dig for reform and the Dems in the legislature blocked his efforts for reform so they could protect their patronage havens. 

          Try again.

          • Mouse_2012

            So your saying it’s not Romney fault because a body of legislatures blocked his efforts for reform?

            What does that remind you of?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Romney was successful with 8 of 10 reforms he outlined. In my view, he was a victim of his success because he lost his leverage with the 87% Dem legislature.

            What big reform has Obama offered in the last two years.

            Again, he had a shot at Simpson-Bowles.  He could have crafted it to his liking.

            What Medicare reform has Obama offered?  None, even though he admits it MUST be reformed since it is our largest debt driver.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             By that logic we can’t blame Bush for the financial collapse.

            Reid and Pelosi ran congress with huge majorities for Bush’s last two years.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t blame W solely for the financial collapse. The collapse (like the ones before it in the past three decades) had been baked in the cake since Reagan was in Office.

            Reid and Pelosi? Yawn.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            You blame it all on Reagan?
            How much on Tip ONeil?

            To quote the peachster:

            “Yawn”

      • DrewInGeorgia

        Up here Worried.

        I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t blame W solely for the financial collapse. The collapse (like the ones before it in the past three decades) had been baked in the cake since Reagan was in Office.

        Reid and Pelosi? Yawn.

        WorriedfortheCountry wrote “You blame it all on Reagan? How much on Tip ONeil? To quote the peachster:

        “Yawn””

        You can’t take anything in context can you? I didn’t blame it all on any one. All of the major players involved since Reagan have been willing participants. The reason I yawned was because the addition of the Reid Pelosi instigation was completely predictable and completely unnecessary.

  • Ron Shirtz

    It is laughable that Mitt is being touted as being a radical conservative in the mold of Goldwater! In the light of his flip-flopping, his selection of Paul Ryan, a typical status quo politician if ever there was one with a record of voting for TARP, the GM bailout, The Patriot  Act, No Child Left behind, etc.

    I also am nauseated by all the hype concerning the critical choice Americans have to make this election year. Since the RNC and Romneys’ campaign nixed Ron Paul’s delegates, what real choices do we have? The Tampa Convention was fait accompli before it even started. Just sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Huh?

      There has been a lot of outreach to Paul supporters.  They have a video tribute to Ron Paul.  Ron Paul has been influential to modifying the plank; including audit the Fed.  Also, Rand Paul has a prime time speaking spot.  Let’s face it, he is a better speaker than ole Ron.

      Regarding delegates, I’ll flip your assertion.  Paulites took advantage of obscure rules to get delegates despite losing the popular vote.  Therefore, Paul has more delegates than popular support.  Paul lost the election fair and square.  SO you accuse the RNC of playing hard ball but wasn’t Ron Paul playing hard ball by taking advantage of obscure rules?

      • Ron Shirtz

        First of all, the so -called Ron Paul tribute leaves out the most important parts of Ron Paul’s platform that shows up the rank hypocrisy of the fake conservatism of the Republicans. Ron Paul would have significantly reduced the budget with a trillion dollar-cut from day one, not this weak percentage cut of Paul Ryan’s wussy plan that takes 20 years to reduce just the interest on the 16 trillion dollar national debt.

        Or Ron Paul’s changing our foreign policy so we stop our troops coming home in body bags and killing innocent civilians while bombing “Suspected Terrorists”. Yeah, RINOS don’t want to hear THAT Ron Paul. He’s too “radical” for them. The tribute just a lame political sop to appease the RP supporters in the vain hope they will thrown in with Mitt and his business as usual platform.

        What obscure delegate rules are you talking about? The RNC refused the RP delegates on what legal grounds? Why would the Maine Governor boycott the convention, except to protest the irregularity of RNC choosing NOW to mess with their delegate selection?

        Can’t you see the RNC and Republicans are meta-gaming the delegate process to shut the door not only on Ron Paul buy ANY future non-traditional republican candidate that has not be vetted and groomed by GOP ? They are not concerned about preserving the sanctity of the delegate election process–they only want to win by all means necessary–even if it means disregarding the will of the people in choosing their delegates.

    • hennorama

      Tom’s question in the intro to this segment was “What does Mitt Romney stand for to you?”

      That question is impossible to answer, given Romney’s changed stances on many important topics.  It’s truly impossible to decipher what he actually believes, since he changes so often.

      Romney’s actions as governor seem to indicate that he is a Chamber of Commerce Republican, moderate enough then to work with Democrats, pro-growth and fiscally conservative.  Typical, traditional, pre-Tea Party Northeast Republican.

      Now, suddenly, he’s “severely Conservative,” whatever that means.  He seems to change his public stances with whatever political wind is blowing, in order to get nominated.

      How he can get people to believe him is the real question, and the one he needs to answer in his convention speech.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        “How he can get people to believe him is the real question, and the one he needs to answer in his convention speech.”

        The repulsive amounts of money that the most Entitled Individuals on the planet are dumping into the Propaganda Parade appear to be getting people to believe him. Like the rest of his Campaign I doubt he’ll answer anything.

  • Michiganjf

    The Oak Ridge Boys!!

    Looks like Republicans finally found some musicians who can stomach letting Republicans use their music for self-promotion!

    • J__o__h__n

      At least they are better than Kid Rock and Ted Nugent.  Republicans should be forced to campaign using their own performers and it will save on the cease and desist letters. 

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       I hear Babs Streisand will be headlining later this week.

      • J__o__h__n

        Fortunately she suffers from stage fright or I might have to vote Republican if I had to listen to that. 

        • Ray in VT

          I saw something yesterday saying that the Romney campaign was denying that they were going to pay Journey $500k to play some event.

          Maybe given some of Dave Mustaine’s recent statements they could get some Megadeth tunes.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            Peace Sells, But Who’s Buying?

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       I just looked it up.  Lynyrd Skyryd , 3 doors down and journey are also playing.  There may be more.

      • jefe68

        Lynyrd Skyryd, now there’s a message for you.
        Good ol’ boys who like to fly the Confederate flag at all their concerts.
        Journey, enough said.

  • Satwa

    Believe it or not, not everyone is TRYING to become rich. Good people don’t spend their lives chasing riches and power. They spend their lives trying to nourish their communities for little praise. Like a community organizer for example.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Obama is worth $12M and he made all that money while  a government employee.  Nice payday for a community organizer.

      • Steve__T

         Name 1 representative, senator, or VP Who hasn’t made a fortune during or after being elected in the past 50 years.   

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Joe Biden.

          • Steve__T

             Wrong

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           There is something corrupt going on in Washington.  Nancy Pelosi’s net worth increased 62% to $48M in 2011.

          Scott Brown just introduced the insider trading bill last year.  It is stunning they didn’t have this before.

          Both sides are guilty.  Notice all the DC insiders that get plum multimillion $ jobs on Wall Street and Freddie/Fannie after leaving  DC?  There is a who’s who from the Clinton administration who made millions — including Rham Emmanuel.

          Don’t get me wrong.  Both sides have been doing it and it needs to get cleaned up ASAP.

          • Steve__T

             Fail, not an answer

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             I already answered.  Joe Biden.

        • J__o__h__n

          Joe Biden

          • Steve__T

             no

      • Satwa

         Good for him. He cares about people, AND got rich. Bravo.
        Mitt Romney just piggy-backed on his father’s riches, and moved money around. Booo.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           Tell that to all the people that work at Staples or Domino. They are happy with Romney’s performance.

          Also the charities and pension funds that invest in Bain are very happy Bain makes them money.

          • sickofthechit

             What about all the small business owners across the country who lost their businesses when the Staples moved to town?  Where do you think people went to get paper, business supplies before Staples came along.  A small mom and pop business in the neighborhood that’s where.

    • Gregg Smith

      You say “rich” like it’s a bad thing.

      • Satwa

         Yes, being super rich is a bad thing. You can move to Mars if you want, but you can’t stay on planer Earth. Your Christian Republican Fundamentalists seem to have forgotten that Jesus was a communist. Do you remember his follower, Mother Theresa? Seeking riches alone is for fools. The rest of us prefer education and enlightenment, and we are having a lot of fun and having a great time!

  • J__o__h__n

    Is Rubin a columnist?  Her bio on the Post site says she is a blogger for a blog called “Right Turn.”  Washington Post columnist gives her credibility which she hasn’t earned.  She should have been identified as Washington Post “Right Turn” bogger which is more descriptive of the journalistic excellence she brought to this morning’s show.

    • Mike_Card

      Presumably, she’s better with a pad & pencil than she is with a microphone.

      • Acnestes

        Fortunately or unfortunately, she isn’t.  Basically a spouter of talking points.  GOP always good, Democrats always bad.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        Have you read her writing?

        You may end up doing a Benny Hill Double-Switch on what Rubin’s strong suit is.

        • Mike_Card

          uhh…not intentionally.  I was mostly noting that she seems to earn a living writing–which is good for her, since she didn’t seem to be able to string 2 sentences together on air, nor to quell her urges to interrupt someone–Gergen, IMHO–who is eminently qualified to speak.

          I’m thinking more of SNL than Benny Hill; as in, “Jane, you ignorant slut.”

    • MrNutso

      She has an extreme pro-Israel bent.  Some quotes:

      “Obama is: the most anti-Israel President ever, not interested in waging war on Islamic fundamentalists, Occupy Wall Street is antisemitic”

  • Larry Gubb

    On September 18, 2008, the Wall Street Journal characterized the economic crisis as “Worst Crisis since 30′s, no end yet in site” .  That means the Great Recession was the worst financial situation this nation has seen since the worst it has seen, second worst to the worst.  How does anyone, especially those of the party that were in the White House when the Great Recession hit, know how long it should take to recover from such a mess???   Why on earth would anyone want to hand the keys BACK to those who will “take American Back” to the same basic policies that were in place when the Great Recession hit?  How can one want to use government to reduce government?  Has anyone compared tax rates now to what they have traditionally been when the economy was a lot more stable?   What are more tax cuts going to do that they have not already done?  Where has the private sector been if the claims ‘they can do it better’ are true?   Mr. Bush was handed what kind of economy?  Eight years later he handed his successor what kind of economy?  Over less than 4 years, the economy has done what?   Fiscal year spending in a transistion year is attributed to which president?   No, the current economy is not booming or back where it was before the Great Recession, but then it is not tanking like it did when the people who want the White House back had it.   How are people who didn’t see and couldn’t prevent the Great Recession suddenly in the know about how long recovery from it should take, much less what the solutions are??   How short are our memories, how self-centered or short sighted are our thinking processes??  How does one blame government for a poor economy at the same time they don’t support government spending to provide a transfusion to the patient (the nation’s economy) until the private sector gets off it’s duffer and and does what it has claimed it would do if it got tax cuts like the Bush tax cuts (read the titles of those acts)??  How do tax cuts help pay down the debt the tax cutters claim to be so concerned about??

    Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA) Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 (JGTRRA)

    Those tax rate cuts are still in place and the rates are historically low, if they worked, why are people that supported them complaining about the economy?? Cutting out fat is fine, cutting out pieces of vital organs is not. Employees are not just expenses, they are consumers too. The unemployed buy what? Where do wealthy people believe their wealth comes from, especially when the wealthy are doing better while the less wealthy are not or doing worse?
    How do the cumulative effects of being leaner and more efficient by getting rid of employees (who are also consumers) add up to a growing economy or employment? No doubt they add up to short term gain in the profit arena, but what about the longer term, with fewer consumers?

    • Livy4506

      Larry, I remember in the Fall of 2008 telling my wife that to get the economy back on its feet would require spending the same % of GDP as we did on WWII on investment/stimulus and that it would still take 10 years to recover.

  • Bruce94

    As I gaze out at the sea of white faces on the floor of the GOP convention, I’m reminded of the national chauvinism, religious orthodoxy, and phobic racism of a bygone era–a pre-Universal Suffrage, pre-Civil Rights, pre-Women’s Rights, pre-Collective Bargaining Rights, pre-Gay Rights era.

    I’m reminded that there are still voices within this extremist iteration of the GOP who actually advocate abolition of Fed. agencies like FEMA and NOAA (e.g. Ron Paul) while their Red State Governors are declaring states of emergencies with their hands out for the very Fed. assistance and relief funds they decry in their speeches.   Now suddenly, whenever or wherever a hurricane, wildfire, earthquake or tornado strikes, they say we need to come together in the spirit of non-partisanship (a notion BTW with which I’m in full agreement).

    I’m, however, also reminded that when it was time for us to come together in the spirit of non-partisanship to speed the economic recovery and create jobs, the GOP leadership’s response was “Our first priority is to make Obama a one-term President.”

    I’m reminded of the blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy of the dog-whistle, gutter politics of the chameleon Romney who repeats the lie (aided & abetted by his eccentric billionaire backers) that Obama “raided Medicare” and “reduced the Welfare work requirement,” and who then jokes that “no one has ever asked me for my birth certificate.”

    I’m reminded as an older, white voter myself who was around for the “culture wars” of the 60′s, that we’ve heard this tripe before from hate and fear-mongers.  Yes, the spirit of none other than Mr. Ultra-Conservative, Neanderthal-Nativist Barry Goldwater is alive and well within the walls of the Tampa Bay Times Forum.  And, no, “you didn’t build that” arena.  The Forum was constructed with mostly govt. funds and some inducements to the NHL team it was designed for–you know, the type of public-private partnership that you claim is ruining the country and paving the way to European-style socialism!

    • Zenplatypus

      As I read your post, I’m reminded of the New Left prattle of a bygone era, when it was fashionable to caricature all that happened before 1967 by way asserting one’s moral superiority. (Now, of course, diversity is celebrated as a good unto itself, excluding intellectual diversity. Those expressing insufficiently liberal views are reflexively branded racists.)

      I’m reminded that there are still voices within this extremist iteration of the Democratic Party who actually advocate the abolition of capitalism, even as party operatives scramble to raise funds from the most successful among us. Millionaires are inherently suspect unless they support liberal causes.

      I’m also reminded that when it was time for us to come together in the
      spirit of non-partisanship to speed the economic recovery and create
      jobs, the Idiot-in-Chief saw fit to lecture Republicans that “Elections have consequences; I won.”

      I’m reminded of the blatant dishonesty, hypocrisy, and gutter politics of a certain talentless Chicago ward politician, who somehow convinced gullible voters that he was the second-coming incarnate, but has since reverted to form, complete with campaign operatives implying that his opponent is a felon who indirectly killed a cancer patient.

      Most of all, I’m reminded that we invariably hear this tripe from hate- and fear-mongers of a certain stripe whenever they’re unable to defend their viewpoint. Their standard-bearer has been an abject failure, so they’re desperate for distractions.

      Gee, this was fun!

      • Steve__T

         You should go into politics. You twist the truth so well.

      • Bruce94

        Thank God the Left did assert its moral superiority–looks as if history has confirmed that superiority unless you are saying we need to bring back George Wallace or he would be a suitable icon for the current iteration of the GOP.

        Are you referring to those voices within the Dem Party who want to end capitalism as we know it, or those Dem voices that want to save it?  History teaches us that FDR saved capitalism and paved the way for a burgeoning middle-class, which the GOP now seems hell bent on targeting for extinction.  Or are you referring to Obama’s “socialist” agenda when he took office, which included such radical ideas as:

        –raising govt. spending 2-3 points over W. Bush and still keeping the spending-to-GDP ratio lower than the vast majority of advanced, civilized countries

        –raising the overall tax burden as a percent of GDP to a level well below practically every other advanced, industrialized country on the planet

        –proposing health care reform with single-payer and a public option off the table, and the conservative Heritage Foundation providing part of the blueprint

        –refusing to nationalize or break up the Banks as critics on the Left urged him to do

        –addressing global warming and climate change with a distinctly market-oriented approach called “cap and trade”

        As for the implication that his opponent is a felon, Obama has already disavowed that.  Too bad his opponent, the would-be Chameleon-in-Chief, won’t disavow equally offensive language from his campaign operatives.  Also, it would be nice if the budding Chameleon-in-Chief would play by the same rules as every other candidate and release his tax records so the public could actually know if he is a tax cheat or not.

        The “abject failure” has been that of a Party hijacked by extremists on a suicide mission to obstruct the President at any cost, undermining the economic recovery and bringing us closer to a double-dip recession —  apparently not content with the credit downgrade and gridlock they’ve already inflicted on us with their record number of filibusters and manipulation of advice & consent rules.

        • Zenplatypus

          History’s verdict with respect to the Left’s intellectual bankruptcy is quite clear, or are you advocating springing George McGovern from his rest home? He certainly would be a suitable icon for the current iteration of the Democratic Party.

          I believe I used the word abolition. Do you need a dictionary? History teaches us that FDR’s policies prolonged the Depression, which ended with the onset of WWII. In any case, by virtually any economic metric you care to name, the middle class has suffered grievously under Obama, so spare me the DNC talking points.

          Nowhere did I use the word socialist. As it happens, the Idiot-in-Chief had solid majorities in both houses of Congress his first two years in office, only to piss away all his political capital on misbegotten health reform legislation that proved so unpopular it roused a moribund conservative movement, leading to the historic Republican tide of 2010. And remind me again, which party was it that used all manner of parliamentary sleight of hand to pass said legislation?

          And if, as you suggest, the GOP sought to and succeeded in blocking the boy wonder’s agenda, how does that constitute failure? Just saying…

          • Bruce94

            George McGovern, a decorated WWII veteran who had a long, distinguished career in the Senate — WAS and IS preferable to George Wallace, the rabid segregationist and probably would have spared the country a lot of pain as we had to endure the Imperial Presidency of Richard Nixon…
             
            “abolition” — “the act of annulling or doing away with, ending”…SO WHAT?
             
            FDR as the prolonger of the Depression?…NO, I don’t think so, that would be Herbert Hoover whose main credential was his business acumen.  Sound familiar?  We didn’t need a CEO as President then, and we don’t need one now.  The missions of business and government are NOT fundamentally the same as the career of a successful private-equity manager clearly illustrates.  And that’s not class envy, it’s common sense.   
             
            The decline of the middle-class and growth in income inequality began with Reagan, was reversed under Clinton, and then exacerbated under W. Bush.  The suffering we’ve experienced over the last 4 years has been mitigated by the policies of Obama in spite of the resistance of powerful & entrenched interests to return to the Supply-Side lunacy that created the mess in the first place.
             
            You didn’t use the term “socialist,” but you cannot deny it has been applied over & over again by the hysterical, reactionary Right that successfully painted Obama as “the Other” and pandered to the electorate’s worst instincts and fears in the “Republican tide of 2010.” 
             
            Once again, from a perversely partisan point of view, you could say the 2010 elections did not constitute failure.  However, it remains to be seen if the country will approve putting one of the leading political hacks from the House (Ryan) on the ticket–one who facilitated the credit downgrade, blocked the Jobs Bill and practically every other initiative of the President, thereby, undermining the recovery.

            I think the case can be made for a failure of GOP leadership and governance which has contributed mightily to a slower than expected recovery.

          • Zenplatypus

            Now you’re just flailing. The choice isn’t McGovern or Wallace. You proffered the latter as a kind of conservative bogey man; I responded in kind by offering up the ridiculous McGovern. I was mocking you. Do try to keep up.

            In your last post, you asked, “Are you referring to those voices within the Dem Party who want to end
            capitalism as we know it, or those Dem voices that want to save it?”, hence my reminder about the word abolition. Again, you’re going to have to step up your game.

            Hoover’s tenure in the White House ended in 1933. Please consult a history book about the duration and trajectory of the Depression and get back to me. Ironically, Hoover championed the same sorts of fixes later pursued by FDR — public works projects, increased corporate taxes, and the like — but gets no credit for having done so. Must be a partisan thing…
             
            I hate to break it to you, but income growth is lower now than during the depths of the recently concluded recession. Again, pick your economic metric of choice: Unemployment? It’s higher now than when halfwit came into office promising to cure the world’s ills simply by talking us all to death. How about labor force participation? It’s lower than it’s been in 30 YEARS! I’ve already mentioned income growth. Your assertion that things are better under Obama is manifestly inaccurate.

            Oh dear, not another ostentatious Edward Said reference to “the Other” — complete with scare quotes. Do you think the concept could be profitably applied to hysterical liberals braying about social Darwinism, as if any attempt to reform government were a stealth effort to abolish it in its entirety?

            As for Ryan, let’s compare his record of achievement as a legislator to the that of The One prior to the latter’s tenure as president. I ask you: Who’s the hack? Who’s the poseur?

            We can keep going round and round. Nothing will change the fact that Obama can’t govern.       

          • Bruce94

            McGovern – an honorable public official & decorated vet — nothing ridiculous that I can see.

            abolition = ending. Please consult a dictionary.

            Great Depression begun 1929-30.  Worsened under Hoover thru ’32. So?
            Hoover championed voluntarism to deal with it, and Hoovervilles sprang up everywhere.  He also refused to fund relief programs or public works except at the end of his tenure.  Once out of office, he became a fierce critic of FDR & some of the positions he, himself, had adopted during his own tenure reminiscent of the current would-be chameleon-in-chief.

            By any “metric” most independent economists agree that the Stimulus helped avert a disaster.  Shrinking GDP & job loss turned into positive growth & jobs added.  Except for GOP obstructionism by partisan hacks like Ryan, unemployment would be 1-2% lower and GDP growth 1% higher.  Come on now, you need to step up your game.

            What do you call it when a (mature?) Ryan dishes out & urges all his staffers to read Ayn Rand pabulum?  You guessed it:SOCIAL DARWINISM
            Step right up & collect your stuffed animal toy prize!

            The record of Ryan who represents a puny, homogenous, rural district would have to pale in comparison to that of a U.S Senator from a huge and diverse State and certainly to the current Commander-in-Chief.  But let’s compare apples to apples, shall we?  Even Joe Biden from the tiny state of Delaware represents a more diverse constituency with nearly twice the pop. of Ryan’s district.

            You don’t really believe the nonsense you’re putting out there, do you?  But I have to admit, you’re really good at it.

            That was fun.

          • Zenplatypus

            Clearly, you’ve put your little thinking cap on. I don’t know what’s sadder, that this is what you came up with, or that you’ve convinced yourself it constitutes a clever rejoinder.

            Yes, abolition means ending, as in “abolition of capitalism” in my original post, prompting this idiotic tautology from you: “Are you referring to those voices within the Dem Party who want to end
            capitalism as we know it, or those Dem voices that want to save it?” Are you too addled to remember what you wrote even a few days ago?

            According to FDR Brain Truster Rexford Tugwell, “practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started,” a notion you apparently agree with: “… [Hoover] became a fierce critic of FDR & some of the positions he, himself, had adopted during his own tenure…” Here’s what I wrote in my last post: “Ironically, Hoover championed the same sorts of fixes later pursued by
            FDR…” Can you grasp that you’ve helped make my point?

            Obviously unable to come up with a nifty riposte to my point about unemployment, labor force participation, income growth, etc., you change the subject to the efficacy of the stimulus package. This is a non sequitur. Let me repeat: Unemployment is higher, labor force participation is dramatically lower, and income growth is down under Obama. Period. Yes I know, it’s the fault of “partisan hacks like Ryan,” the world economy, Europe — everyone and everything it would seem except Baracky.

            Uh no, that’s not the definition of social Darwinism. I look forward to your next guess, though.

            And the size and composition of one’s state or district is irrelevant. According to your logic, any number of Republican senators would be superior by virtue of the constituencies they represent.

            How old did you say you are?           

          • Bruce94

            Old enough to know that the election would not be this close & the metrics you cite would be much improved if the original Stimulus had not contained concessions to the extortionist & obstructionist GOP AND more $ had gone to cities & states as well as  infrastructure AND  less $ to tax-cuts.  Add the positive  effect of the ’11 Jobs Act if it had not been killed by the Tea Party cretins, and you get to a more robust recovery.  BTW, Hoover didn’t come to public works until it was too late when unemployment was already 25%. He never really got on board with relief or regulation.  Good thing the Tea Party wasn’t around back then.  I doubt the nation could have survived it, although we did overcome other Tea Party incarnations like the Know Nothings, Father Coughlin’s Union Party as well as the John Birch Society. What I think I saw on TV tonight were the lemmings being led over the cliff like in 1964.

          • Bruce94

            Sorry, I forgot.  Ron Paul’s recommendation was NOT to reform FEMA.  He unequivocally urged the elimination or “abolition” of FEMA.  And there is nothing “stealthy” about his agenda to scale back govt to such an absurd degree that it defies common sense.   

            Please consult an objective source on this and do get back to me.  Paul’s comment about FEMA is well-documented.  I’m sure if you Google a source outside of the Right-wing echo chamber or FOX News, you should have no difficulty finding it.  You don’t even have to crack a book.

          • sickofthechit

             Wars are certainly magical things.  According to you they rescue failing economies. What I can’t figure out is with George and the Dickster getting us into two wars on their watch why was the economy in such a shambles when they left?

    • William

      So when Obama said to Hispanic voters “We punish our enemies and reward our friends” he was actually reaching across the isle?

  • Dee

    We don’t need a GOP turnaround in 2012…We need an 
    end GOP leadership once and for all…
    It is just criminal how the GOP leadership have driven this American economy into a ditch and then refused to pull it out by blocking Obama’s agenda to bring necessary relief to struggling Americans….This is especially cruel and callous when one considers how the GOP leadership gave Bush/ Cheney Carte Blanc for their reckless and illegal war on Iraq and Afghanistan and Bush era tax cuts….They helped sack the US Treasury of the almost one trillion dollars left by the Clinton Administration and squandered the some 10 trillion dollar in expected surplus— projected by the CBO projected by the of 2010 decade–Instead , they gave us an 11 trillion dollars in deficits…(See Jim Cooper’s article…).Well, Tom I don’t need to see the curtain raised onthe GOP today. I want to see ithe curtain come down and this nightmare to end.  (i know my some 20 yr olds and 30 year olds and their peers already view the GOP as ancient history…Right on! )  DeeObama inheritied a fiscal disaster, Jim Cooper, CSMhttp://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2009/0218/p09s02-coop.htmlRegulatory underkill, Arthur Levitt, jr..http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120605716375753327.htmlThe Warning , Greenspan and derivatives , Frontline http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Sounds like the same warning they gave about the ‘scary’ Ronald Reagan in 1980.

      Turns out Reagan’s leadership was pretty good for our country.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        “Turns out Reagan’s leadership was pretty good for our country.”

        Wow. I……Wow.

        I completely understand everything you have ever posted now. You live in a completely different Reality. Is there a Bizzaro Worried FTC in this Reality? I’d be really interested to hear what he has to say. Bizzaro Worried would probably make a great Presidential Candidate. Wonder which party he’d support?

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           49 states disagreed with you in 1984.

          • Steve__T

             And they lived to regret it.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Why does Obama keep invoking Reagan like he is some great hero?  Maybe he knows something you don’t.

          • Steve__T

             Yeah and the republicans booed him not realizing who he quoted. Want to twist something else?

          • MrNutso

            He invokes Reagan to juxtapose Reagan with current Republicans.  Reagan is a liberal compared to todays GOP.

          • Mike_Card

            And the 49 that went for Nixon in 72 sure were right about that call.

      • Ron Shirtz

         Like the Iran-Contra affair he permitted?

    • William

      The Iraq Liberation Act pushed through by Clinton set the stage for the Iraq War. The Iraq War was approved by the Congress. Obama’s war against Libya was not approved by the Congress.

  • Dee

    addendum Re: URLS to articles 

    Obama inherited a fiscal Crisis , Jim Cooper, CSM 
    http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Jim%20Cooper
    Regulatory underkill, Arthur Lavitt, Jr. WSJ
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120605716375753327.html

    The Warnubg, Greenspan & a smart woman , Frontline
    http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Clinton repealed the 1936 Glass-Steagall act.

      • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

        Do you mean the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which repealed it? Who sponsored that act? 3 Republicans.

        Let us get some facts clear here: It only passed in the senate through a partisan 54-44 vote on May 6, 1999; Fritz Hollings was the only defector (D-SC). It was veto proof too.

        So STOP BLAMING CLINTON for this ECONOMIC DISASTER: This was a Republican brainchild (although it looks like an orphan now) and the Republican party has only itself to blame

        • WorriedfortheCountry

          Who was Clinton’s Treasury Sec?
          Where did he work prior to DC and after?
          Robert Rubin was pushing for repeal of Glass-Steagall.  Yes.  Of course the GOP are responsible for the repeal as well. A pox on both their houses.

          CRA and Glass-Steagall  repeal were major contributors to the financial collapse.  Fannie and Freddie were as well.  Who blocked reforms to Fannie and Freddie — the Dems, led by Barnie Frank.

          • jimino

            So tell us again why you want the architects of that policy to be in total control of the economy and everything else. 

          • Mike_Card

            Oh, there we go again.  JFK squandered all that money on NASA, and if Wilson hadn’t been such a wimp, The Great War would have burnt itself out all alone in Europe.  If Reagon hadn’t come charging in to raise taxes 11 times, Carter would have lost the country down the drain and we’d all be speaking Spanish by now.

            Why not say Solyndra again–that seems to be your excuse for every bit financial drivel that drips out of your brain-dead cranium?

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    TomK — you claim it is an outrageous lie that Obama didn’t say “if you have a business you didn’t build that” .  Your defense is that Obama was talking about roads and bridges.

    Are you saying that Obama is illiterate?  If Obama was referring to roads and bridges he would have said “you didn’t build those”.

    Let’s face it, Axelrod let Obama off the teleprompter for that speech and he let his true belief system out.  It was just like the Joe the Plumber – spread the wealth comment.

     Obama’s campaign is about demonizing successful business.  Why?  Because his opponent is a successful businessman.

      The President shouldn’t be demonizing successful business.  At best this is crass politics.  At worst, it is far more disturbing.

    • Steve__T

       What’s really disturbing is you, and that their are others like you who will say anything, regardless.
       You say you are worried for the country, OK which side?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Simple.  The American people.  Our children and grandchildren.

        I could care less about political party.

        • Steve__T

           Sorry, your previous post suggest differently. Try again.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             I do think Romney will be a great President but it has nothing to do with his political party.

            I wanted Perot to win the first time he ran because he ran on cleaning up the bloat and corruption in DC.

            It is much worse in DC now and Romney can fix things — like he did in MA and in the Olympics.

          • Steve__T

             ROFLMAO as the song lets twist again plays in the background.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            He was a no-show in MA except for his socialist health care. We have to buy insurance or we get penalized. Isn’t that horrible??? And his “saving” of the winter olympics relied on big gub’mint subsidies. You like that? Seems totally contrary to your ideology.

            His business experience is in financial con jobs. Haven’t  we had enough of that?

          • TomK_in_Boston

            If you’re worried about the children and grandchildren, please don’t offer them Groupons instead of real medicare when they get old.

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Nonsense. Are you a native English speaker? Got papers? Because any literate American could understand what the President was saying. It is a fact that success in business depends on our great public-private partnership. It’s correct, and essential with the righty lie machine in high gear, to point that out. It doesn’t demonize anyone.

      Can you give an example of the President demonizing business (as opposed to financial con games)? 

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       TomK — you also claim the false straw man that Obama’s critics are against infrastructure investment.

      Mr. Obama was given the gift of the ability to spend $800B on stimulus.  What is the legacy of that investment?  Where was the lasting infrastructure investment?  Remember the false promise of shovel ready jobs?

      Where is Obama’s Hoover dam?  Instead we got Solyndra.

      Speaking of infrastructure, Obama temporarily deferred the Keystone pipeline – an infrastructure project.  He did this  for crass political gain until after the election.

        I guess Keystone doesn’t count since it isn’t funded by tax dollars.

      • Mike_Card

        He did it as a favor to Nebraska!

      • Don_B1

        Read Michael Grunwald’s book, “New New Deal” and you will learn about just how good the stimulus has been given that it was so small relative to the $1.4 trillion/year drop in GDP.

    • Bruce94

      Everyone except the brain-dead ditto-heads gets the meaning of “You didn’t build that.”  Yes, it was grammatically incorrect, but the meaning was unmistakable to anyone who is not unconscious.

      This latest GOP riff (Yes, we did build it) will be exposed as just another tool in an endless smear campaign based on taking Obama’s remarks out of context (e.g. “we can’t talk about the economy” being lifted from part of a 2008 speech given by Obama when he was quoting what McCain had actually said about McCain’s campaign).

      Quoting from the speech that is now in question, I believe the record shows Obama said “Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that…The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money.”  Then, he goes on to cite other examples of “you didn’t build that” including the G.I. Bill, Golden Gate Bridge and Hoover Dam. 

      I realize that nowadays demonizing myths and racial identity politics are the stock-in-trade of the GOP, but surely you can do better than this.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         Where is Obama’s Hoover dam?

        Obama’s legacy is Solyndra after $5.3T in deficit spending (ie, stimulus).

        • MrNutso

          What’s your citation for $5.3T in stimulus spending?  I suspect you are just looking at the budgets for the years Obama has been President.  He inherited the budget for FY 2009.  How much of those budgets are for spending locked in by the previous administration.  2 wars, medicare part D, DHS, no child left behind?

        • jefe68

          You are now in the realm of being an out right lair.

          Where is Bush’s Hoover dam for that matter?

          The GOP does not want to build anything and thinks infrastructure is something comes out of magical thinking.

      • Steve__T

         No he can’t.

      • jefe68

        You expect way to much independent thought of this chap. He’s incapable of turning away from the the GOP trough of lies and distortions.

    • fakeDIY

      Anyone with a child’s grasp on the English language can understand what he said.

      And while we’re nitpicking, I hope you realize that not only have teleprompters been used by every president since Eisenhower, even your precious Mittens said it makes sense to use one!

    • sickofthechit

      This is a quote form Tom-k-inboston after your post .  Please read it to clear up what Obama said.  You will need to read all the words, not just the ones you are focused on.

      “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
      There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
      create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you
      to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a
      business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” “The
      point is,” he continued “that when we succeed, we succeed because of
      our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1829112656 Pav Sterry

    Same biased guests as last hour on Fresh Air. Believing everyone should follow the same law is not anti-immigrant. My legal immigrant husband and I are pro legal immigrant. 

    • OnPointComments

      I wish someone would tell Terry Gross that none of us thought our bikes were cold in the rain, our fish were lonely in the fish bowl, or a leaf was afraid to fall.  It’s just not the way we think.

    • Navin_Johnson

       Considering that your entire posting history is about nothing but immigration it would appear that you’re a genuine xenophobe.  Never mind that Obama has been harder on immigrants than Bush was.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1829112656 Pav Sterry

    My family does “those jobs Americans won’t do”. My mother worked in a fiberglass factory 6 days a week into her 60s. Other family members work in construction, factories and the service industry. My National Guard nephew graduated last year and can not find a job. While he’s unemployed the local paper features an illegal alien family that work in area factories. They lied to get in the country and now some are signing up for Obama’s executive amnesty to be able to keep their job legally! Obama is a disaster for those of us in the bottom 50%, who work. 
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/story/2012-08-27/Immigration-enforcement-Hispanic-workers/57356886/1

    • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

      Dude, Romney has shipped more of our jobs overseas than you can imagine. He is a symptom of the problem: this is a systemic problem created by ‘Free Trade’ championed by Republicans going back to Reagan. I lost two good jobs directly to India.

      Corporations own enough controlling shares of stock in Republicans and Democrats to get tax codes that favor outsourcing. They get rich and we get unemployed. In the last recovery probably 4 out of 5 jobs were created here in the US by US corporations. In this recovery, only 1 out of 5 jobs created by them are here.

      Voting for Romney will only make things worse. Look at GE and Verizon which paid NO TAXES on VAST PROFITS last year. Yeah, like they need tax cuts. See http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/03/us-usa-tax-corporate-idUSTRE7A261C20111103
      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/business/280-big-public-firms-paid-little-us-tax-study-finds.html
      http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/03/news/economy/corporate_taxes/index.htm
      http://www.businessinsider.com/companies-pay-lowest-tax-loopholes-2011-2?op=1
      http://underthemountainbunker.com/tag/mattel/
      http://underthemountainbunker.com/tag/general-electric/
      http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/460519/major-corporations-no-taxes-four-year/

      So when they complain about how high our national corporate tax rates are (35%), they’re not talking about the effective tax rate (way,way low), they are talking about the tax rate before all the tax breaks they’ve legislated for their ‘stock holders’ AKA donors. They are effectively lying about the issue.

      These are the tax policies that Grover Norquist wants. These are the tax policies that Romney wants.

      These are the tax policies that Republican millionaires and billionaires want. They effectively get a free ride on our infrastructure and free protection of the US Armed services and Trade Negotiators.

      They are the opposite of patriotic!

      These policies are not good 99% of America.

      Romney got rich not by building but by pillaging. He can only hurt us.

      • Don_B1

        Additionally, just about all the recoveries SINCE the Great Depression have been relatively quick BECAUSE housing construction led the way. Why is that not happening this time? Because with at least a quarter of all homeowners underwater on their mortgages, they are not out buying new homes and because there are not that many jobs those in their 20s and early 30s are not able to buy a new home, so construction is still depressed.

        Those “other” recessions were created by the FED to slow an overheated economy or in the case of Reagan’s recession of 1982, to take down the high inflation that had come from the OPEC oil crisis of the early 1970s.

        But this depression needs more government spending to generate initial jobs which when the workers start spending will generate a virtuous circle of job creation to give a full recovery.

    • Navin_Johnson

      Bain is making workers in Illinois train their Chinese replacements as we speak, when they’re finished they lose their jobs and Bain moves the factory to China. Right leaning Democrats and Republicans have both been bad for working class people, but Republicans are definitely worse.

    • hennorama

      I sympathize with your nephew, and all those who want a job but can’t find one. It’s also easy to empathize with someone who crosses an imaginary line and suddenly can make 10 times the money he was paid on the other side of the line. Imagine that by walking into Canada, you could suddenly make 10 times your current pay.

      Without immigrants, the US economy would grind to a halt.  According to the Brookings Institution, in 2010, over 16% (1 in 6) US workers was foreign-born.  This is up significantly from 1970, when this group totaled less than 5% of all workers.

      Clearly, such large numbers of foreign-born workers are important to the economy.

      About 1/3 of foreign-born workers are in the US illegally, making up a bit over 5% of the overall US labor force.

      Immigrants, both legal and illegal, have historically been employed generally in low- to mid-skilled occupations in agriculture, food service and hotels, domestic services, and construction.  Most illegal workers are in these fields of endeavor.

      Recently, immigrants are increasingly employed in highly skilled positions in technology, manufacturing and life sciences.

      Pres. Obama’s recent Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) is NOT amnesty, as it can be revoked and is not permanent.  It impacts only those young people (under age 31 on 6/15/2012) who were minors (under age 15) when they entered the US.  There are several other eligibility tests.

      Arguments over the effects of illegal immigration, both negative and positive, can go on forever.  However, keep in mind one stubborn fact – without employers who are ready and willing to break the law by hiring illegal workers, few would take the considerable risk of crossing the border.

  • rageagainstthegop

    I found out that the taxpayer is on the hook for over 100 million dollars for the two conventions. Imagine the many ways that money could have been better spent, rather than to cheerlead for the pernicious policies and insidious agenda of the extreme wrong wing of the Republican Party embodied in the Romney-Ryan ticket.

  • yorkcountygirl

    What does Romney Stand For? 

    He stands for:  “Gee I really want to be President and I will say anything at any given moment, if I think its what I need to say to support my self-interest.”

    • TomK_in_Boston

      Don’t forget that he stands for grabbing every penny he can get his hands on, too.

  • yorkcountygirl

    Q. What Does Romney Stand For?

    A. He stands for:  “Gee I really want to be President and I will say anything at any given moment, if I think its what I need to say to support my self-interest.”

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Sounds like the Axelrod/Obama campaign tactics.

    • Brandstad

      There is no one less biased than a Democrat to define a Republican. LOL

    • J__o__h__n

      Not true.  He would have said “gosh” not “gee.”

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    “Driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars to $9 trillion is irresponsible.  It’s unpatriotic.” -  Barack Obama July3, 2008

    This was candidate Obama vilifying W. for raising the debt $4T in 8 years.  Of course the debt has raised $5.3T in less than 4 years on Obama’s watch.

      Worse, despite the lofty rhetoric, Obama has taken no action to address our debt woes.  In fact, he has been in campaign mode since last Labor Day. 

    • J__o__h__n

      Mitt has been in campaign mode since the last two years of his governorship. 

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         We aren’t paying Romney to be President — YET.

        • Steve__T

           You will say absolutely anything. Was Mitt getting paid to be a Governor?

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Do you actually believe the nonsense?

            Because he gave a few speeches means he was campaigning full time – 2-3 years before he entered the race?

            You’ll have to try a little harder.

          • Steve__T

             No I don’t, he does.

          • J__o__h__n

            He was getting $1 a year.  And worth every penny!

          • Steve__T

             John, if you paid me to do a job no matter how much, or how little wouldn’t you expect me to stick to it?

          • J__o__h__n

            No, I’d expect you to go around the country insulting me and trying to get a better job. 

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Perpetuating the myth.

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        You also probably believe that he went around the country throwing the state of MAunder the bus? Not true.

        When, in fact, he was critical of the entrenched political class and hacks, not the state in those speeches.  Don’t believe everything you read on the editorial page of the Globe.

        • J__o__h__n

          He did.  He made MA the butt of jokes while he traveled around the country.  I never read Globe editorials and since the paywall went up I barely read the Globe.  I’ll give him credit for getting rid of Bulger.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Could you please provide a link to the jokes?

             I believe he was making jokes at the expense of political hacks who were blocking reforms and not the state or the people of the state.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Hey, how did the Dems get control of the Haliburton hurricane machine?  Where’s Cheney when you need him?

  • Gregg Smith

    Now we’re hearing there will be a prime time mystery speaker on Thursday. Sarah Palin? Rush Limbaugh?

    • sickofthechit

       My money’s on Sarah or George or the Dickster.

  • TomK_in_Boston

    From the commie rag, Bloomberg Businessweek:

    The Facts: The Romney campaign is twisting Obama’s words. It is clear from the context that Obama was arguing that government services such as infrastructure and education provide an essential foundation for building successful businesses. He wasn’t denying entrepreneurs credit. Here is what he said: “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” “The point is,” he continued “that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

    Get serious, people. You can’t be a native English speaker and think this means business owners didn’t build their business. As Bloomberg says, it is clear – unless you drank too much Kool-Aid or don’t understand English. Whatsamatta, Worried? No habla Inglese?

    No presidents with Big Lie tactics, please.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       Obama spent $5.3T in stimulus to date  — and counting.

      Where is Obama’s lasting infrastructure?

      Where is Obama’s Hoover Dam?

      Instead Obama’s legacy is Solyndra.

      You may agree with Obama’s ideology but he is a failure as a leader.

      • TomK_in_Boston

        He certainly screwed up by not spending enough and by going along with the TeaOP in making much of the stimulus worthless tax cuts. Give me a break with the endless talking points about solyndra, supporting startups is exactly the right thing to do.

        You’re right to ask where is his Hoover dam. I’d like to see his high speed rail. I think it’s happening in CA. TeaOP governors like scott in FL refused to take the $. Fat blowhard christie in NJ cancelled a tunnel that is necessary and would have helped NJ’s high unemployment.I don’t agree with his ideology, he’s a Rockefeller republican and I’m a lib. However, he’s better than the RR boys and their total class warfare.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           High speed rail is a boondoggle but I agree it is worthy of debate.

      • Mike_Card

        And what did the first $10.7T get us?

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           I agree.  That is a problem.  We need to build a surplus in good times so we have a buffer in bad times.

          • sickofthechit

             Bush was left a surplus which he promptly turned into a nearly $11 trillion debt.  Obama’s trillion dollar stimulus was split 1/3 aid to states who were on the brink of failure, 1/3 to continuing the Temporary Bush cuts and 1/3 for stimulus spending.  Expand your exposure to more fact based info would perhaps lessen your worry.

          • Don_B1

            The first thing G.W. Bush did with the surplus Clinton handed him was pass the first of two tax cuts that put the country on the road to the biggest deficits in history. Bush justified those cuts as stimulus but by making it tax cuts, mostly for the most wealthy, meant that there was not nearly as much stimulus as increased spending. The increased spending came later for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and the Medicare Part D drug bill.

            So Republicans have no record nor interest in reducing deficits except when a Democrat is president because then the deficits are not being created to enrich the wealthy.

      • spiral007

         WorriedfortheCountry, you are better off not quoting numbers (e. g. ‘Obama spent $5.7T in Stimulus..), or better still maybe you should not talk about a subject you know nothing about.  BTW the Obama spending on stimulus was approx. $800 Bil., go check it out!!!

      • anamaria23

        You are totally lost, willfully ignorant.
        There are many green energies that are doing well and projects and research that will reap huge benefits-all from the stimulus.

        • OnPointComments

          The billions invested in wind and solar support industries that provide less than 1% of the energy consumed in the United States.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       I bet Obama didn’t say he wants to spread the wealth around too?  Or that the folks in places like PA are bitter clingers to their guns and bibles?  Or under ‘my policies’ electric rates will necessarily skyrocket?

      • jimino

        You would be better served by asking why our economy stopped spreading the wealth around, why so many fear the nonexistent bogeyman that supposedly threatens their religious or gun rights, and why you oppose internalizing the true costs of something like electrical generation if you really want such things traded in a market.

        • TomK_in_Boston

          Amen. In the high-tax 50s and 60s middle class income tracked GDP, ie, the wealth was spread around. Since voodoo econ, GDP kept rising (ie, we’re NOT broke) and middle class income went flat to down. Unless you’re a romney type, I don’t know why there would be a question about which system we prefer.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             There you go again.  Distracted by top rates.

            I guess you don’t like that Romney’s tax reform proposal keeps the current tax burden on high earners.  Just like Simpson-Bowles.

            If Romney can achieve tax simplification and ‘fairness’ it removes a huge election for the leftists.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            He has no such proposal. He has explicit cuts and claims he will “close loopholes and broaden the base” to do what you say, but every study indicates his cuts are so big it can’t be done. He sure hasn’t provided a single detail on anything but the cuts.

            Don’t you have any skepticism of pols? IMO he will make the cuts, which is easy, and then oops,  we really couldn’t find a way to maintain the (lowest since 1929) burden on people like me. Sorry, but it’s time to move on.

            You claim to be Worried about the debt. Why then do you want the burden on the top earners to be unchanged, when it is already lowest since 1929? Makes no sense. Don’t you ever suspect that the ultra low rates are part of the problem? 

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            The truth is you can’t tax the rich enough to eliminate the deficit.

            We need to grow the economy and have more employment in the private sector.

            The top 10% pay 70% of all income taxes. That isn’t fair but Romney claims he will maintain that burden on top earners.

            I am skeptical of pols and I plan to hold Romney accountable.

            The top priority now should be growing the economy. Once the economy is humming it would be OK to raise taxes. However, everyone would have to participate in the tax increase.

            I was never in favor of the Bush tax cuts(all of them). However, I do believe tax simplification, if done properly, would have huge economic benefits.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            Damn right an actual simplification of the Tax Code if done properly would have huge economic benefits.

            I hear crickets…

    • OnPointComments

      If President Obama’s words weren’t an off-teleprompter slip revealing his true belief that individuals aren’t responsible for their own successes and that it is government that is responsible, and instead he was referring to the teachers, American system, roads, and bridges, then why didn’t he say “you didn’t build THOSE,” plural, to refer to the teachers, American system, roads, and bridges, instead of the singular “you didn’t build THAT” which refers to the only single item in his statement “If you’ve got A BUSINESS–you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made THAT happen.”  He expressed himself plainly in his statement that if you’ve been successful, don’t think that it was because you worked hard or were smart.

      • jefe68

        Funny how the busniess that Romney used to point out this lie depended on Federal and state government loans and grants to get going.

        Jack Gilchrist of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating tells President Obama that his family — and not the government — built his company.

        Well it seems Mr. Gilchrist has selective memory: Gilchrist “did receive some government help for his business” in 1999 when the company received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds” to set up a
        second manufacturing plant and purchase equipment to produce high definition television broadcasting equipment.”

        In addition, Gilchrist Metal received a U.S. Small Business Administration loan of around $500,000 in the 1980s and has received several sub-contracts from the U.S. Navy.

  • jirohwein

     The original US debt clock and then its 2004 replacement have been running in Times Sq. since 1989.

    Short summary:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Debt_Clock

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      It is almost $16T.

  • Navin_Johnson

    Chaffetz is an idiot and a liar.  I can’t stand Obama but he definitely extended his hand to Republicans who promptly bit it off.  Remember him inviting them all to question him at that retreat?  If anything he’s been too much of a wimp dealing with these right wing fanatics.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

      He extended his hand for about one nanosecond and then promptly retracted it with the ‘we won’ nonsense.

      He erred by turning over his major agenda items to hacks like Nancy Pelosi.  The result were horrible bills like Obamacare and Dodd-Frank.  Now his name is on these bureaucratic monstocities. 

      • Don_B1

        Read Michael Grunwald’s book, “The New New Deal” and you will be disabused of your false ideas of who did what on ARRA and PPACA.

        Obama has made the mistake of not making clear why he was doing things while he made great efforts to get policy correct. That has opened the door for Republicans to grossly distort his record and policies.

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    How many here are planning to move out of the country if Romney wins and becomes President?

    Alec Baldwin, are you still here?
     

    • Steve__T

       Are you going to move when he looses?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         No way but I’ll be more ‘worried’ for the future for my kids and future grandkids.

        • TomK_in_Boston

          If you actually care you should be Worried about the kids getting Ryan Groupons instead of real medicare. Since the righty plan is to fund the Groupons with no consideration of the actual cost, our kids and grandkids will have to pay big bucks out of pocket when they get old, or simply be rationed by cost out of what they need. Real medicare eliminated the struggle so many old people once had to get care, and the RR gang will bring it back. Similarly, SS eliminated the brutal poverty once rampant among the elderly, and I’m sure the RR gang has a privatization scheme to bring it back.
          I hope lots of “private equity” con men and other financial scam artists leave the USA when their ‘bro loses. The financial sector is a cancer on the economy.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

             Ryan ‘groupon’ is identical to what I get with my insurance through my employer except now I won’t have to worry about losing my job and losing my insurance.

            Guess what else deflates your scare tactics?   Under Romney/Ryan I can keep the standard Medicare.  The premium support is an option.

            Also, the program has bi-partisan support and was originally proposed by Clinton officials in the ’90s.

          • TomK_in_Boston

            You swallow every bit of propaganda. The bit about being able to keep standard medicare is to fool people like you. Once there is no longer a single big pool – which is how insurance works – standard medicare will deteriorate steadily. The far right has hated medicare since day one, why do you have such a hard time seeing their agenda?

            It’s not a scare tactic to call a scary bit of class warfare what it is.  

            We have the most privatized health care in the world and we have the highest costs in the world. The solution is medicare for all, not Groupons with more $ going to the predatory private sector.

            BTW the TeaOP is going to declare English the official language of the USA. It might be a good time to figure out how to understand spoken English.

          • Don_B1

            You will have to PURCHASE that standard Medicare with the “Groupon” voucher just like you will have to buy one of the private policies.

            The only thing in your favor is that the Medicare policy should be cheaper than a private policy.

            And just what was the Clinton program that proposed something like the Ryan voucher program in the ’90s? Link please or I will have to consider that you made it up, like most Republican claims.

          • notafeminista

            People who pay $40 for an emergency appendectomy in European countries at time of delivery have already paid 40% in income taxes.  In Austria, their progressive tax rate starts at 20%. That is the low end.  In the US it starts at zero.  

            I don’t know where you get this nonsense about how we have the highest costs.  Europeans pay for it over time whether they need it or not.

            Furthermore, Groupon works really well and drives business to local economies. Why are you snarky about it?

          • jefe68

            Not true. Groupon is failing as a company. 

            http://business.time.com/2012/04/02/why-groupons-fuzzy-math-should-worry-investors/

            And speaking of fuzzy math, Paul Ryan’s ideas in this area is based on them.

            The nonsense is how you distort the idea of lumping all Europeans into one tax system when each nation is different. But this chestnut:Europeans pay for it over time whether they need it or not. So I take it you think people never get sick. Everyone needs health care and it seems to me having a system that spreads the costs is more effective in the long run.

  • jamste75

    This host seems to question facts and arguments presented by those toward the left whi8le giing a pass to factual errors and logical fallacies put forward by conservatives.  He does this both with guests and callers.  Tom Ashbrook should work on that bias thing: if you’re not going to say what your bias is, you should hide it better.

    • WorriedfortheCountry

       David Gergen is not a conservative.

      • jamste75

        He’s worked for Presidents in both parties.

        • WorriedfortheCountry

           And he is still not a conservative.

          Remember, it is the people’s seat.

          • Don_B1

            Only those that want to dismantle the social safety net and remove all regulations that provide protection against environmental pollution affecting general health and financial safety are “true” conservatives these days.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

        He’s a Beltway Inbred who papers over the crazee by always being ready to calmly ask viewers, when they wonder what the GOP wants to “reform” in government, “Who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?”

  • WorriedfortheCountry

    Obama’s nephew needs $1000 for a surgery.

    Obama is nowhere to be found so Dinesh D’Souza chips in and pays for Obama’s nephew in Kenya.

    I wonder if Obama’s brother will be speaking at the Dem convention next week?

    • J__o__h__n

      Finally, the Republicans found some black people they care about. 

      • WorriedfortheCountry

        I was going give a serious reply but instead I’ll applaud your attempt at humor. Well done.

      • Gregg Smith

        That’s sick.

    • Livy4506

       How does this comment relate to anything being discussed today (or anything at all)?

      • WorriedfortheCountry

         It has exactly the same pertinence as Bain Capital  has to this election.

        However, the MSM is ignoring this story.

        • anamaria23

          Totally absurd comment and proof of how lost you are.

          • WorriedfortheCountry

            Both stories speak to the candidates character. Right?

            But please help me Annamarie.

  • rageagainstthegop

    According to the internet, the taxpayer is on the hook for over 100 million for both conventions. That money could certainly be put to better use, especially when the GOP convention cheerleads such pernicious policies and an insidious agenda for the future of our nation. 

  • Joseph_Wisconsin

    Really both conventions are slated to be pretty much snooze fests.  In the future the major television networks might consider restricted coverage even further.  Just carefully scripted affairs for each party to sound off their campaign talking points.  The networks should be charging them to broadcast this stuff.

    What little entertainment there promised to be for the Republican convention has been removed.  The Donald will not be appearing to rant about his birther fantasies.  The Romney camp and the RNC have changed the rules to keep Ron Paul and other Tea Party fringe elements from causing any disruption.  It would be more entertaining if they would invite Todd Akin and others like him to let us all hear about science, Republican style.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      Since you mentioned The Donald I wonder if the controversy that the documentary “You’ve Been Trumped” focuses on has anything to do with his disappearance from anything related to the Campaign.

  • Joanne Brown

    Sounds like David Gergen is trying out for a job with a Romney administration. Quite the apologist.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSANCUDPIKQSPID5KT2U4XK5Y TF

      He’s got a cushy gig already, being the calm-sounding fabulist who goes around reassuring people solemnly with nuggets like “I don’t think any Republicans are trying to do away with birth control”.

      Why would he give that gig up?

  • Gregg Smith

    Ann Romney is knocking it out of the park. What a good and decent example they set. Awesome!

    • DrewInGeorgia

      Knocking what out of the park? Common Sense?

      • Gregg Smith

        Did you see it?

        • DrewInGeorgia

          Believe it or not I actually did. I went out and hooked the antenna up yesterday just so that I could watch live. It was rough both watching television and listening to the propaganda, but it struck me as necessary for some reason. I found Mrs. Romney’s commentary empty, sometimes disjointed, and overall nothing more than pure fluff. I especially enjoyed the predetermined “We Love You Ann!” moments.

    • jefe68

      Yeah, she lied and told a lot falsehoods about Mitt’s tenure as governor of Massachusetts. Other than that she just fluffed it up a bit. Which is what that kind of speech is al about. So many white people….

  • Gregg Smith

    And now Chris Christie is in your face, this is great. “We did it!”

    • DrewInGeorgia

      Hope no one sustains a rotator cuff injury while so fervently patting themselves on the back. Nothing better than having a bunch of Talking Heads spoon feed you what you want to hear is there?

      • Gregg Smith

        He lost me at the end.

    • jefe68

      Yeah Chris Christie did it all right. His state has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation, all under his watch, and worse than President Obama.
      He has quite a few scandals brewing and his tax cuts have failed to revive his states economy. Yeah, this guy stood up on a podium with the words “We built this” behind him and his record has been he’s built squat.

      • Bruce94

        Yep, NJ under Christie has been 48th in job creation.  At least Romney can say he beat out his Keynoter; MA under Romney as Gov. was 47th in job creation.

        I don’t think either pitch, Christie as Comeback Kid or Romney as Turn-a-Round Artist, carries much weight with an impartial observer.

        The NJ Comeback is particularly problematic.  Currently, that state’s unemployment rate hovers near 10% –  the highest unemployment rate for NJ in 35 years.  In July, the state lost 13,000 jobs.  These trends show NJ’s economy underperforming by both national and regional standards (i.e. both NY and CT have better stats). 

        What I found curious about last night’s pitch was not just the overall negative tone, but the reference to his father’s success enabled by the GI Bill — one of the examples Obama cited in his “you didn’t build that” comment.  I guess you could say Christie vindicated Obama by reflecting the substance of the “you didn’t build that” statement. 

        The fact is the Romney economic plan and Ryan’s budget proposal would gut programs like the GI Bill that many historians credit with putting the “Great” into what we call the “Greatest Generation.”

        The GI Bill provided returning vets unprecedented opportunities to get an education & housing and, in the process, transformed our society creating the American middle-class.  In fact, the original GI Bill was signed by FDR and could arguably be viewed as the defining element of the New Deal – which the Right-wing ideologues on display at the GOP Convention have for years been hell-bent on dismantling.

  • Regular_Listener

    David Gergen – a long-established moderate commentator – I was astonished by his comment that Romney is sure to be a conservative president, even though he was a moderate governor.  While I agree with the commentator who said that we don’t want an inflexible, dogmatic president… I agree with the caller who was saying WHO THE HECK IS MITT ROMNEY?

  • myblusky

    Agreed. Can’t we all admit that none of us are that happy with the people up for election? When people get excited about this election I just want to give up on humanity. They have to whip themselves up into a frenzy because let’s face it – the whole thing is pretty lackluster. There is nothing monumental on either side. Let’s just admit it so we can get on with things and stop pretending.

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