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Grassroots Or Big Money?

Tea Party candidates are making inroads in big Congressional races.  But who’s driving them into office?  The grassroots?  Or billionaire donors?

Texas Republican Senate candidate Ted Cruz speaks to the media Wednesday, Aug. 1, 2012, in Houston a day after trouncing Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in a runoff. (AP)

Texas Republican Senate candidate Ted Cruz speaks to the media Wednesday, Aug. 1, 2012, in Houston a day after trouncing Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in a runoff. (AP)

America’s rough and ready Tea Party was indisputably triumphant in 2010, flooding Capitol Hill with a fiery conservative freshman class in the House.  Then the pumped-up rallies and town hall meetings died away.  Word on the street was that the Tea Party’s day in the sun had passed.  Well, maybe not.

It’s quieter now, but it’s happy to tell you it’s chalking up victories.  A US Senate majority is the big target.  Thumping conservatives with Tea Party backers are winning primaries.  And big bucks.  So is it the people?  The money?  The message?

This hour, On Point:  Tea Party politics, 2012.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Karen Tumulty, national political correspondent for The Washington Post.

John Geer, chair of the political science department at Vanderbilt University.

Sal Russo, chief strategist for the Tea Party Express.

From Tom’s Reading List

Washington Post “A month ago, many people in this state presumed that Tommy G. Thompson — still a household name here after serving an unprecedented four terms as governor — had a lock on the Republican nomination for the Senate.”

ABC News “Today, Republicans in the Show Me State will pick a challenger for Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, and the dominant wings of the conservative movement can find niche appeal in the three GOP contestants: a tea partier endorsed by Sarah Palin, a businessman backed by the Chamber of Commerce, and a social conservative who’s pursued the state’s Christian voters.”

CBS News “Sarah Palin is mounting an aggressive campaign in Missouri — in television and radio ads, in automated telephone calls, even serving barbecued pork sandwiches at a rural political picnic. She’s urging residents to vote for Sarah — Sarah Steelman, one of three Republicans in a prickly U.S. Senate primary.”

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  • Mikenaeve

    The sons, as the so-called tea party, are accomplishing what their father could not, with the John Birch society.  If they didn’t have billions to buy politicians and media, they would be relegated to the same category of whack-jobs as Lyndon LaRouche.

    These people are NOT Republicans.  They are ignorant mashed-potato puffs who happen to have a vote.

  • Arguman

    Um…..people are seriously still asking this question? What about the question of whether businesses big and small are using 501c groups to launder money?

    • Che’ Riviera

      No comment on your comment, but I love your name!

  • Fitshoeman

    Hasn’t it been stated that without the Koch brothers there would be a Tea Party Movement. The money has to come from somewhere and why not big corps? (oh yea, this is supposed to be grass roots isn’t it)

    • Don_B1

      The reason is that when a candidate gets a big percentage of campaign donations from one interest, that candidate can rationalize supporting that interest’s requests on bills and downgrade the “interests” of ALL the voters he represents.

      And when that dominent interest is the top income earners, then they will get even more “representation” than those with less money not to mention those that don’t vote.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Did Mr. Obama become President because of grassroots or ‘big money’?

    Just asking.

    Personally, I believe the answer was the magic combination of both in 2008.

    • Don_B1

      If Obama had not shown the ability to raise “grassroots” money first. he would not have been in a position to get the “big money” later.

      But note how fickle the big bankers are as soon as they show the ability to “roll” Obama by preventing strong financial reform in Congress. Their cries of “Look Ma, he’s looking funny at me” show how thin-skinned they really are. It also shows how they think they can win the public by whining about how Obama is mistreating them, particularly when they just created the devastation of the 2008 financial crisis.

      It’s like the sons who murdered their parents asking for clemency because they are orphans.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    I’ll see your Koch brothers and raise you George Soros and Hollywood.  When someone can explain how money buys my vote, I’ll listen.  Money makes a person’s voice louder, and in days gone by, this mattered.  Now, I can get a list of candidates on-line from any district in the nation.  This is once again an effort to divert attention away from the real problem:  the American voter.  Until that person cares, none of this will matter.

    • Che’ Riviera

      Too many care only about their wallet, and will vote for whoever best represents their greed.

    • J__o__h__n

      You aren’t the average uninformed swing voter.  The Republican corporate money dwarfs the Democratic corporate money.  Look at the fundraising Romney has for proof. 

      • Hidan

         Why is raising alot of money from corporations and Big money seen as a success in the media and rarely ever question as a bad thing?

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           You almost answered your own question.

          Where do they spend the money?  In the media.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         And Democrat Union money dwarfs GOP union money.  Look at the Obama Union fundraising for proof.  Also, the Union boss visits to the WH during this term is unprecedented.

        • jefe68

          One wonders why?

        • Adks12020

          hmmm…GOP union money? Considering the fact that many in the GOP want to dismantle unions I’d say it makes sense that they don’t receive union support.

        • Che’ Riviera

          Should read “Democratic Union money…”, Mr Limbaugh.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Then we get the government that we deserve.  Until voters take responsibility, bad government is what we’ll have.

    • Don_B1

      Too many voters make their choices based on emotions, which is why campaign ads use terms like socialist and raise birth certificate issues.

      And you wonder why the Texas legislature wants to restrict the teaching of critical thinking skills in their schools. The members probably send their children to private schools where those abilities are taught. Or maybe not; the Tea Republicans do not think about how they will deal with the financial and environmental crises will work against them later.

  • Wm. James from Missouri

    Large corporations are international today. Earning large sums of money, in currencies of the particular country in which they operate. They claim to serve their stockholders interest by producing profits in those countries. Yet, these same companies, have been given a nod and a wink by our Supreme Court, which has ordained them as “persons”. So they take their personhood and contribute to political groups, with the intent to secure their profit machine(s). The political group that receives the corporate money now has a vested interest to produce a return of sorts for that company ( or industry), that is profiteering abroad. Conundrum: to profit abroad, one must certainly have to bow to the wishes of that country’s powered enablers, or those same companies will find it difficult or impossible to profit. Therefore, if a company is to profit abroad it must conform to non-American standards or practices of some sort or kind. On this stage we now have no less than three ( four if you count the Supreme Court) active co-conspirators working together to over throw American laws, in lieu of foreign laws. How can this be anything but treasonous ?

    King George the 3rd had it all wrong we he sent troops to occupy the colonies. He should have sent American International Companies ! We need to take the hard cider away from the Washingtonians, they can’t seem to see straight!

  • Newton Whale

    The Tea Party movement: deluded and inspired by billionairesBy funding numerous rightwing organisations, the mega-rich Koch brothers have duped millions into supporting big business

    The Tea Party movement is remarkable in two respects. It is one of the biggest exercises in false consciousness the world has seen – and the biggest Astroturf operation in history.
    The film “(Astro) Turf Wars shows David Koch addressing the summit. “Five years ago,” he explains, “my brother Charles and I provided the funds to start Americans for Prosperity. It’s beyond my wildest dreams how AFP has grown into this enormous organisation.”

    A convener tells the crowd how AFP mobilised opposition to Barack Obama’s healthcare reforms. “We hit the button and we started doing the Twittering and Facebook and the phonecalls and the emails, and you turned up!” Then a series of AFP organisers tell Mr Koch how they have set up dozens of Tea Party events in their home states. He nods and beams from the podium like a chief executive receiving rosy reports from his regional sales directors. Afterwards, the delegates crowd into AFP workshops, where they are told how to run further Tea Party events.

    The movement began when CNBC’s Rick Santelli called from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for a bankers’ revolt against the undeserving poor. (He proposed that the traders should hold a tea party to dump derivative securities in Lake Michigan to prevent Obama’s plan to “subsidise the losers”: by which he meant people whose mortgages had fallen into arrears.) On the same day, Americans for Prosperity set up a Tea Party Facebook page and started organising Tea Party events.Oldham’s film shows how AFP crafted the movement’s messages and drafted its talking points. The New Yorker magazine, in the course of a remarkable exposure of the Koch brothers’ funding networks, interviewed some of their former consultants. “The Koch brothers gave the money that founded [the Tea Party],” one of them explained. “It’s like they put the seeds in the ground. Then the rainstorm comes, and the frogs come out of the mud – and they’re our candidates!” Another observed that the Kochs are smart. “This rightwing, redneck stuff works for them. They see this as a way to get things done without getting dirty themselves.”http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/25/tea-party-koch-brothers 

  • Newton Whale

    By ginning up the Tea Party, the Koch brothers are hoping to succeed where their predecessor, H.L. Hunt, failed:

    “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”
    -from a letter Pres. Eisenhower wrote to his brother Edgar on November 8, 1954

  • AC

    i’m going to start my own party, called the rationalists.
    the only member requirement will be to think before you speak….:/

    • J__o__h__n

      Good luck getting a majority.

      • Hidan

        About the same odds of the coffee party

        • Leni

          Yep! Unfortunately, what really needs to be done to solve many problems will never happen! Big $ simply won’t let it!! We are ruled by the dollar!! Not the people!! Unfortunately!! What a shame!!

        • Don_B1

          There is a Coffe Party extent today, but just barely and as a party it is going nowhere. But it is making coherent analyses of the current issues:

          http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/

    • Adks12020

      if only it were that easy.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      Talk about a catch 22. lol
      I think there would be an awful lot of silence, most of us would never utter a word if serious thought preceded the voicing of an opinion.

      Sign me up!

      :’)

  • Newton Whale

    Wow, it just doesn’t get much more grassroots than this:

    The Sacramento-based GOP political consulting firm Russo Marsh and Rogers founded the Tea Party Express through its political action committee Our Country Deserves Better (OCDB) in the summer of 2009. Russo Marsh and Rogers is a campaign consultancy specializing in promoting conservative candidates and causes. Sal Russo of Russo Marsh and Rogers serves as the chief strategist for Tea Party Express. Russo worked on a range of establishment Republican campaigns going back three decades. He was an aide to Ronald Reagan when Reagan was governor of California. Russo has also worked for Orrin Hatch, Jack Kemp, and George Pataki. Tea Party Express co-founder Howard Kaloogian is a former California state lawmaker and onetime congressional candidate whose campaign was marred with controversy when a picture posted on his website of a quiet-looking street scene as “proof” that the situation in Iraq was far safer than the media was reporting was revealed in the media to have actually been taken in Turkey.  

    Oh, and lucrative, too:

    Russo Marsh and Rogers has been a financial beneficiary of Tea Party Express’ success. According to Federal Election Commission filings, more than 75% of the money spent by the PAC, about $1 million out of $1.3 million spent, went to Russo, Marsh or King Media Group, which has close ties to Russo. 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Express 

    Tell us what you think about the Fairness Doctrine, Sal:

  • Yar

    Money in politics buys two things, exposure and statics.  Bill Clinton used the strategy of win by one vote in enough precincts to capture the election.  Math and money.  The math made the money last long enough to win.  The republicans took Clinton’s model and added ballot initiatives such as defining marriage, gun control or some other issue to increase conservative voter turn out.  Then there was the design of the butterfly ballot, by doing time motion studies math will show how long it takes an individual to vote.  By creating long lines in precincts a party is likely to lose then math can again be your friend.  The same math is behind voter ID laws, it adds another control on flow of the line at the voting booth. ID laws are intended to influence who is in the voting booth line.  Long lines depress turnout.  All of this is calculated through statics, polls, and with message.  
    My answer to this type of voter manipulation is in Dr. Seuss’s Horton Hears a Who,  Every voter should vote,  With 100 percent turnout, math and money lose much of their power.  Money in politics doesn’t change very many votes, it simple attempts to discourage you from casting your vote for the opponent.  My money is on urging every voter to vote.  My polls would predict results at different levels of voter participation.  Who wins if turnout is less than 50 percent? Over 75 percent?  100 percent?  Show how the math works, show how negative campaign ads depress participation.  Explain the math and how it is used to manipulate.  I never answer political polls, that is like giving your password to the hacker.  Data is collected on everything we do. Your brand of beer predicts who you will vote for.  Why have elections turned into four year campaigns? Because that is where the money is.  What does money buy?  Power!  Much of that power is lost when shows like this take the time to explain how it works.  

  • MadMarkTheCodeWarrior

    Nothing is easier than to unite disparate groups with anger and fear, and that’s what the Koch brothers with their 50 Billion dollar empire have done along with other neo-feudal lords.

    These T-party tools don’t understand is that the Koch brothers don’t care about their churches, abortion, evolution, guns or family moral values. They’ve united T-Baggers in anger with issues that they don’t care about to promote a very narrow set of issues that matter to the Koch brothers: lower taxes for the wealthy and deregulation.

    If anything is felt more at home than jobs its healthcare, safe roads, safe bridges, safe schools, clean air and  clean water which are things the Koch brothers don’t care about and don’t want to help pay for. Lowering taxes on the wealthy and deregulation are the legislative initiatives that they are buying via the Tea Party. They have convinced these people filled with fear for their economic future, just like most of us, that government, education, graduated taxes and regulations are bad for them and thus to vote against their own interests.

    When I first heard about this manipulation, I thought that this is nuts, it cannot be… after reading reports about how ALEC and other so-called non-profits work, and seeing an ignoramus like Palin still get air time in the press, I am afraid, very afraid for the American people.

  • Jasoturner

    “Sal Russo, chief strategist for the Tea Party Express.”

    Oxymoron? 

    I got a feeling this guy is gonna be painful to listen to.

    • nj_v2

      “I got a feeling this guy is gonna be painful to listen to.”

      This is proving to be true.

      “Get spending under control and grow the economy.”

      Yep, that’ll do it.

      • Don_B1

        The spending cuts of “sequestration” combined with just the ending of all the Bush tax cuts will lower GDP by 5%. Add in Romney’s tax cuts, and there will be a recession bigger than in 2007-8.

        Where will the fear in the general populace be directed then? It certainly won’t be directed toward the general welfare, at least until every Republican is removed from office. And if Democrats do not find a way to get the economy into a strong recovery (Keynesian spending), the whole Constitution will be null and void, nearly instantly, as the country descends into chaos.

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  • Che’ Riviera

    List all the things that the tea party stands for.  Describe the main demographic that constitutes the tea party.

    Once you paint this picture, you might not like what you see.  Even uglier is the manipulation of these dupes by the mega wealthy and the stateless mega corporations to champion their interests in American elections.

    • William

        What is the demographic of the Progressives Caucus? Or the Black Congressional Caucus? Who is pulling their strings?

      • Che’ Riviera

        Answer my question, and I’ll answer yours.  I dare you.  I double dog dare you.

        • William

          I’m not a tea party person and never attended their meetings so unless I hire a company to research the demographic breakdown.

          So now, answer my questions.

  • Hidan

    The Tea Party earlier success was mainly due to the fact the Media allowed them to paint themselves as representatives of the Conservatives,Independent and Liberals.  Even when signs clearly pointed to them actually being the right of the republicans. Once people realized just how bigoted, often crazy the tea party was it’s rating shout down and now the Tea Party won in one of the red states and it’s some kind of comeback?  Get real.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Bigoted?

       Evidence please. 

      You can’t provide it because there is none.  The left see the TEA party as a real threat and attempted to paint the TEA party as a bunch of wing nuts.  However, they are frustrated because there isn’t  a single monolithic  “TEA party” to attack.

      • Che’ Riviera

        How about the signs held at tea party rallies showing president Obama with a hitler moustache?  How about the one that says “Don’t Re-Nig in 2012″?

        Are you seriously trying to argue that there is not a strong element of racism/xenophobia/ethnocentricity at the heart of this movement?

        • Ray in VT

          While I’m generally pretty critical of the Tea Party and the GOP, I don’t want to paint too broad a brush in terms of making generalized allegations of racism in the Tea Party.  I think that there is some there, but I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say that it is at the heart of the movement.  The movement certainly does itself harm when groups in the movement advocate things like this:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/tea-party-tennessee-textbooks-slavery_n_1224157.html

          • Worried for the country(MA)

             I agree they hurt their cause when they go overboard with textbooks.

          • Ray in VT

            I certainly think so, but perhaps that’s the price to pay when one has a movement that has so many independently moving parts.  There’s no mass message control, and local groups/people can go way off the rails.

          • Don_B1

            Read Hidan’s links below (and my comment below that).

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           I haven’t seen evidence racism in the TEA party movement.  It isn’t core to their message of limited government and paying down the debt.

          There will always be a few nuts in any movement.  Sometimes they are plants from the other side.

          Remember the congressman claimed he heard racial remarks when he walked through the rally.  The entire episode was highly video taped and recorded but no one brought forward evidence.  Breitbart offered a $100K reward for evidence and none was brought forward.

      • Hidan

        Mark Williams abe lincoln letter for one. Mark Williams was the spokesman for the teaparty express.

        politicsandpucks.blogspot. com/2010/07/evidence-of-tea-party-racism.html

        The Tea Party in it’s own words

        open.salon. com/blog/djohn/2010/07/15/tea_party_racismproof

        google. com/search?q=tea+party+racism+proof&hl=en&biw=1012&bih=323&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=n3YiUMDOKIHb6wHtzIDICg&ved=0CGcQsAQ

        Or go to the teaparty express website to hear/read all the lovely comments and posters.

      • Don_B1

        Many initial supporters of the “Tea Party” were social conservatives in the Republican Party.

        One item that is NOT hard to show is the proliferation of members of the John Birch Society within the ranks of Tea/Republicans. The “excommunication” of the JBS from Republican Party activities was William F. Buckley’s singular achievement that gave Republicans a leg up in rebuilding from Goldwater’s 1964 presidential debacle.

        • Michael Clifford

           I expect that it would not be hard to find evidence of anarchist, socialist, communists involved in the occupy wall street gang.  So what.  You cannot keep people away from a peaceful public demonstration despite the fact you know that they are more extreme.  I’ll bet that there were a lot of leftist provocateurs among the Tea Party demonstrations as well.

          • Don_B1

            These JBS people are in LEADERSHIP positions within the Tea/Republican Party. The JBS was a main supporter of the Conservative Political Action Conference for the last two or three years.

            But of course, you sound as if that won’t matter; you have thus been outed as a supporter of ignorant (non)solutions to this country’s problems.

  • Hidan

    No Mark Williams?

    Russo, according to his Move America Forward profile,
    “has been at the forefront of some of the most prominent national,
    state and local campaigns in the nation including the election of
    Governor George Deukmejian (1982), Senator Alfonse D’Amato, New York (1992), Governor George Pataki, New York (1994), presidential bids by Jack Kemp and Senator Orrin Hatch.”

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sal_Russo

    Now this is funny Russo actually worked with the Dreaded George Soro’s back in 1991

    1991, Mr. Russo conducted the media campaign for the successful referendum on Ukranian independence.” [2]

    Just so happens Soro’s was there at the same time working with mostly the same people

    http://www.georgesoros.com/faqs/entry/georgesorosofficialbiography/

  • Michael Clifford

    I have only been to a couple of tea party events, very small in a small city, less than 15,000 pop.  The people that I met were from various economic levels.  There were doctors, teachers, blue collar workers and retired folks.  The one thing that they had in common was that they were sick and disgusted with the business as usual attitude that comes out of Washington’s big government. 

    While they tended to lean right they were holding all parties responsible.  Two thousand page bills that you can’t read before it’s passed. Amendments attached to bills that have no connection to the actual bill but that require tax dollars to be spent on some politicians pet pork/earmark.  These expenditures at a time when the country is broke and borrowing almost half of what is spent.  Federal and state regulations that micromanage or add more hurdles in front of people trying to earn a living or start a business.  Laws passed by congress that they exempt themselves or their friends from.  Exectutive orders that micromanage all aspects of our lives.

    Government that seems to be more interested in representing ILLEGAL aliens and folks who do not pay any income taxes at all but depend on federal and state assistance in its many forms.  The wealthy paying more than 40% of the income tax, the middle class paying the rest and more than 50% of the people riding for free.

    I think that these issues have been festering for quite some time and it took the recent collapse of the economy followed by a huge expansion of welfare and spending by a government who seem to think that it’s okay to keep spending the money of our children and grandchildren on stupid stuff.  People are mad as hell and are ready for a change in attitude in government from top to bottom. 

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Did you see any evidence of bigotry, as Hidan suggests?

      • Don_B1

        He won’t report seeing bigotry because at least one issue (in his penultimate paragraph) he agrees with, immigration, is being used by bigots to win his vote:

        “Government that seems to be more interested in representing ILLEGAL aliens and folks who do not pay any income taxes at all but depend on federal and state assistance in its many forms.  The wealthy paying more than 40% of the income tax, the middle class paying the rest and more than 50% of the people riding for free.”

        The government (e.g., George W. Bush, McClain) is NOT trying to “represent” illegals but is trying to develop a bill that will lower the number of illegal immigrants coming into the country. But the Republicans have business interest support for foreign workers: many businesses have advertised in Mexico, etc. for workers without indicating the need for a green card, etc. Reagan’s immigration reform “failed” because business interests kept enforcement against illegal hiring at a minimum, so their companies could run “slave labor” camps with illegal workers and reap profits.

        Does Mr. Clifford even recognize that Social Security and large parts of Medicare are paid for by ALL workers? And does he recognize that as union power is being driven into decline, businesses are able to pit workers against themselves and reduce wages even as worker productivity grows? The lowering of income tax rates on low wage workers plus the tax credit income was recommended by the conservative economist Milton Friedman as a better approach than welfare for those who find themselves at the lower end of the income scale.

        • Michael Clifford

           Both parties are equally to blame for the ILLEGAL immigration problem. You cannot establish immigration reforms for legal residents of the US until you stop the flow.  It’s like trying to bail out a boat without first fixing the holes in the bottom of the boat.  The faster you bail the faster more water flows in.  Secure the borders, fix the visa program so that you can send people home who overstay their welcome then do something about creating a sensible agricultural/work visa program that accommodates the needs of the workers as well as the employers.  End the misinterpreted policy of automatic citizenship to children born in the US.  If one parent is a citizen then they are citizens if neither is the kid is  citizen of what ever country his parents are from.  Children of diplomats born in the US are not citizens.

          I  don’t believe that I mentioned Soc. Security or medicare or veterans benefits.  These have been paid for and/or earned.I’m referring to “poor” people who have the latest flat screen TV, I phone, who seem to have cash to pay for tattoo’s, beer and cigarettes but can’t feed their kids.  I am referring to food stamps cards that are redeemed for cash at casinos, resorts and jewelry stores.  I’m referring to disability for individuals whose disability is that they are afraid to ride in a car or they are to fat to work or they can’t take the stress of holding a job.

          I know real disabled people who work in sheltered workshops or in super markets and are happy and proud of what they can contribute.  They also get state aid but they have demonstrated that they are not parasites.

          Don’t believe me?  Take a walk around your neighborhood and talk to shop owners and people that actually work.

          That is what tea party participants are fed up with and frustrated that the politicians don’t address.

          • Don_B1

            Why wouldn’t a good set of immigration reform rules stop/slow the flow of illegal immigrants? The reason the Reagan reform didn’t was because it did not set up sufficient employer punishment while setting up an effective pathway for workers to come for short periods and return.

            There are plenty of Democrats that would support that approach but the Republicans are in turmoil with the xenophobics ruling bumper stickers.

          • Michael Clifford

            Your right they should have made it very painful for anyone who hired or in any way assisted ILLEGAL aliens.

            It also didn’t close down the border tight so that people couldn’t stroll into the US as they liked or install a mechanism to keep tabs on folks who came in on various VISA’s and who decided to stay.  The Reagan plan just increased the incentive for people to sneak in.

            You have  to plug the leaks before you start to bail.

    • Che’ Riviera

      Thanks for your anecdote.

    • nj_v2

      This post typifies some of what i view as the fuzziness and ideological inconsistency of the Tea Bagger “message.” Even leaving the significant racist and outright batshit crazy elements of the movement, the core rant seems to center around “big government.”

      Mr. Clifford invokes this at the start of his post, then goes on to talk about pet projects and bad legislation. I’m not sure how any of that comprises “big government.” Bad government, yes but this will—and does—happen at all levels.

      Worse, he then demonizes undocumented “aliens” and other recipients of public assistance, with nary a peep about profligate corporate welfare.

      And, worse still, he invokes the “recent collapse of the economy” which was primarily due to lack of effective regulation of the speculative, Wall Street sector. This, after Mr. Clifford groans about all those “regulations.”

      We know the TPers are mad, but the anger seem misdirected.

      • Don_B1

        As Che’ Riviera notes, maybe not with this meaning, Mr. Clifford is a real example of how the general ignorance of government and economics (particularly macroeconomics) work.

        He is an example of how decent people can be lead to believe untrue things, which the Republican Party excels at doing.

      • Michael Clifford

         I’m guessing that you have an intimate knowledge of tea bagging since you prefer to use that term rather than tea party which simply refers to the frustration of the original patriots who had had enough of corrupt taxation.

        Tea Party participants may be angry but we are definitely not mad.

        I’m not saying all regulation is bad.  Certainly most MV laws make sense but there are too many agencies out there who seem to thrive on imposing rules that have little value other than job security for the agents.

        • nj_v2

          I’m guessing you don’t know that the Tea Baggers were the first to use the term tea bag.

  • WINSTON SMITH

    When left wingers like Sarah Jessica Parker, Barbara Streisand, George Clooney, Meryl Streep, and others hold $50,000 per plate fundraisers for Pres. Obama, that is not exactly chump change.

    • Patrik

      True, but at least we know who it is and who they are…

    • Aranphor

       Considering we know who they are unlike the BIG MONEY Republicant donors I think your point is rather pointless.

      • WINSTON SMITH

        $50,000 is a lot of money to me.  I guess to bleeding heart liberals like the Kennedys and Hollywood lefties who support big giveaway programs but hire the best accountants and pay little or no taxes, it’s chicken feed.

        • Adks12020

          You have to be kidding me.  Movie stars and even the Kennedys aren’t even in the same financial ball park as the Koch brothers and other conservative donors like Sheldon Adelson. Adelson gave away 10 million in one shot.

          • DrewInGeorgia

            But the movie stars and the Kennedy’s make such a great distraction don’t they?

        • Aranphor

           $50,000 a plate is pretty standard and even Willard does it. So again, pointless as always.

        • Don_B1

          As usual you failed to respond to the point that donors to Republican PACs, etc. are secret.

    • Che’ Riviera

      Scott Walker outspent his recall opponent 7-1 with big donation from out of state.  Where was all the big union and hollywood cash on that one?  Don’t try to tell me liberals didn’t want to bring Walker down, either.  He is the poster boy for the “ugly conservative”.

    • Hidan

      Much better to go to Israel and hold 50K per plate fundraiser instead right?

    • Jasoturner

      OMG!  You mean there are wealthy *liberals* as well as conservatives?

      That’s it then.  Liberal ideology is clearly bankrupt, illegitimate and unworthy of consideration.

      Point well made…

  • Ellen Dibble

    I suppose this is the theme song of the  Tea Party.  The link is best if you start it a minute into the clip, Twisted Sister, “We ain’t gonna take it any more.” 
        Time for the therapist to set the two sides down and talk it over.  This rattled spouse is mad; she or he votes “mad,” which isn’t very constructive.  It’s like throwing the crockery.
        Big Brother can come along and co-opt that anger, defining things in the way them with deep pockets like to define them, and you’ve got a movement.  
        The fact that the money that pays for the campaigns and the many many days that our legislators spend fundraising rather than actually legislating/problem solving — the fact that the government that is being objected to, its size and reach, the fact that it is largely designed by and run by the same Big Brother/deep pockets — it isn’t so apparent when you’re mad as hell.  
        For instance:  Make sure people have job-related health insurance, tell them they obviously like this, at the same time shipping millions of jobs overseas.  Make sure people are in mortgaged houses, underwater mortgaged houses, and yet the jobs are no longer in Illinois; they are in North Dakota.  The Central Planners look to their own plans without counting us their collateral damage.  Yet they see we’re mad, so they expect us to vote for them because they see our anger.  Smart!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqk_q4NLLI&feature=fvwrel

  • Yar

    Tom, please prevent your guests from talking over each other too much.  Give each time to make their point but don’t allow them to hijack your show.  You can turn off the mics if you need to.  I want to hear both sides but will turn off the radio (again) if this digresses into a shouting match.  Going to pick beans, I will be listening from the garden.

  • Ludwig Von Engels

    What’s the quality of the evidence that Santelli’s rant was ‘spontaneous’ in the same way the Soviets used to have ‘spontaneous demonstrations’?

  • Brandstad

    The Tea Party represents the majority of Americans.  Most prople that don’t agree with them either don’t know what The Tea Party stands for or they just don’t agree with the Founding Fauthers of our country.

    • Sam Walworth

      ” We the people…. ”

      Thats the way to go..

    • Dean

      Sure, in much the same way as the Nazi Party represented the majority of Germans.

    • Rick

      This is a pretty unsubstantiated comment considering more Americans identify themselves as liberal or moderate than conservative.  The tea party movement is a mobilization movement, seeking to ignite the base rather than capture the median voter.  In essesnce, it sents to create a majority, rather than capture one.  Of note, quite a “silent majority” exists on the left as well, since lower income citizens and citizens of African American and Hispanic ethnicity vote at lower rates than older, richer, white voters. 

      • Rick

        it seeks*

    • Ray in VT

      Now, that sounds to me like just the type of statement that liberals are constantly attacked for supposedly making.  You statement comes off like a claim that those who are opposed to your views are either uninformed or sort of un/anti-American.

      • DrewInGeorgia

        The sorriest anti-American excuses for Citizens are the first ones screaming how everyone who doesn’t see things their way is UN-American.

        We should be shocked, obviously we’re not.

    • Adks12020

      Watch some interviews with Tea Partiers that supposedly know what the Founding Fathers wanted.  Most of them don’t even know what is in the Constitution and Bill of Rights and are incapable of recognizing the fact that it is not, and was never intended to be, a literal document.  It was drafted in a way that it could be reinterpreted for the times.

      The founding fathers were the intellectual, political, and, in many cases, financial elites of their time.  They believed in taxes and most believed in spending for the public good. Tea Partiers ignore that though becuase they protest against people like that now.

      • Brandstad

        The founding fathers believed in Charity which is part of every good society and not a part of government, but part of churches and local charitable organizations.
         
        They believed in taxes and most believed in spending for the public good in ways specifically spelled out in the US Constitution!
         

        • Don_B1

          That kind of “Charity” may work well enough in a ethnically homogeneous agricultural society, but it definitely does not work in a modern economy, the likes of which the Founding Fathers could never have anticipated. But that was their genius, in indicating that the Constitution, while setting guidelines, should not be viewed as a rigid document without the structure to allow future generations to provide for THEIR welfare.

    • Tina

      The Founding Fathers supported a slave economy (maybe not B. Franklin).  Many of their leaders used the SAME technique that the Tea Party uses:  get to the prejudices of the voters who were not doing that well economically, and then the wealthy Planters would have the power and policies that gave THEM advantage.    The race component that the Founders used may not fall in line today as a PRECISE parallel, but the fact that people with much less money were convinced to support policies that were against their own best interests is exactly the same.  And, the wealthy had and continue to have absolutely NO interest in helping those less wealthy people they have brought along for political convenience and clout.  Once securely in total power, the wealthy will only support themselves.   Most Tea Party supporters are being used, and, as in the times of the Founders, prejudice is a major mechanism of how this whole thing “works”.  

      • Tina

        I forgot to add that consideration of labor costs in  a slave economy are parallel to the consideration of labor costs in a global economy where outsourcing seeks the lowest possible wages, and often, lowest possible protection of working conditions while demanding high levels of  productivity.  In the times of the Founders, non-slave-owning voters (who had to be White males) had trouble making their products competitive with the products from the slave owning elites; yet, as I said above, the elites used prejudice and other techniques to get the votes of these less-well-off voters to secure their own political power and policies.  I didn’t make this up.  But, it’s sure not the view of the Founders that the Tea Party is spouting because it does not serve THEM!  

    • nj_v2

      I agree, let’s reform the economy in the mold of the Founding Fauthers—property can only be own by rich white guys who own slaves and women can’t vote. Who’s in?

      • Don_B1

        Women can’t own property either (except as widows?).

    • Che’ Riviera

      “The Tea Party represents the majority of Americans.”

      I just wanted to post this again for emphasis.

  • Brandstad

    How many TV networks are controlled by flaming liberals?  All but one as far as I can tell.  This is why FOX news has such great ratings and no one is watching CNN. 

    Also don’t forget that the movie makers are also flaming liberals so indoctronation starts early.

    • Adks12020

      I’m a liberal independant and in my opinion no one watches CNN because it’s a joke of a network, not because it’s a liberal one.  The newscasters and commentators are terrible; they make mistakes and misreport the news constantly.

      • Brandstad

        That is true too

    • Sam Walworth

       You are so wrong.

      Have you ever heard of Fox Entertainment, its the same organization, filled with all the Liberal things you can think of.

      Secondly, you are just focusing on Fox News in USA, ever peek outside USA, where Murdoch propaganda machine is just interested in one thing Money, and they are doing whatever they can to get the TRPs / Eye balls to generate money, it has nothing to do with True Patriotism and the Murdoch propaganda machine can go down to any level to achieve that, here in the US they are taking the “Right Wing” agenda else where they just skew things however they can to get the profits.

      Say thirsty my friend.

    • nj_v2

      More distortion from the forum’s clueless right: Mainstream, corporate media are “liberal.” 

      This stuff is laughable.

  • Mary

    It’s big money.. Period. End of Story. A lot of what the Tea Party stands for .. such as getting rid of the EPA, would help people such as the Koch brothers who have large paper mills which are notorious pollluters..

  • Mike in TN

    The last figure I heard was that the Tea Party was about 14% of Americans, why should they speak for the majority?

    • Che’ Riviera

      Wait a minute…  Brandstad said most Americans were represented by the Tea Party.  What gives, Brandstad!?

    • J__o__h__n

      Because the rest of the country was too stupid to vote in the midterm election.

  • Greg

    Hey Teapartiers.

    You are going to get exactly what you want:

    The end of Social Security

    The end of Medicare

    The end of unions

    The end of safety nets

    Dominance by corporations

    Dominance by the elite

    Congratulations

    You are going to live your wishes.

    • Sam Walworth

       Yes, in Democracy, people get what they vote for.

      -Amen

      • Don_B1

        Even when they don’t know what the candidate is really standing for.

    • Bubba

      Hey; You forgot to ADD “revolution” to that list. Dare you to look at the Middle East to see what happens when the “Government” fails the people.Oh; has it EVER happened HERE before?

    • William

       You forgot the end of Obama-care.

      • Don_B1

        Ending Medicare subsumes PPACA.

    • Tina

      I WISH the President would say this loud and clear!

    • Brandstad

      Progressive Liberals, you are not going to get
       
      Forced unionization
       
      Free substandard healthcare that is one size fits all.  If you don’t like it, tough, because you can’t fight the government
       
      Increased taxes
       
      Increased fees on all
       
      Skyrocketing electricity costs because we can’t burn Coal or natural gas
       
      Skyrocketing gas prices because we can’t produce any in the US, we must import.
       
      Safty nets so large an broad that people can free ride in them for years without looking for a job like in Europe where you can get unemployment for years, making it dumb for anyone to even look for a job when you can get paid to do nothing. 
       
       
      Safety nets so large an broad that companies don’t want to hire new workers because they could be forced to pay an employee they fired for up to three years even though the worker wasn’t needed or did a terrible job.
       
      A government that is so out of control that Last Friday, US Congressman Dennis Kucinich introduced HR 6357, a bill which aims to ‘prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens’ by the federal government. 
       
      Increased Federal Debt

      Decreased Worldwide power for good.
       
       
       
       

      • Che’ Riviera

        If these are the choices, I’ll choose B.

      • Don_B1

        What a list of fear-mongering “claims” by mischaracterization!

        Note that Romney raised $750 million/year by increasing FEEs on Massachusetts residents. Think about what he can do for all of America.

        Note that any hope he has for making his huge tax cut proposal “revenue neutral” without raising dividend and capital gains tax rates will be by reducing tax deductions that will increase taxes paid by the middle class by an average of $2,000.

    • Jasoturner

      Nicely done.  It may well lead to an assault on conventional scientific theories such as evolution, climate change and cosmology.

      It’s almost like we’re intentionally standing under an anvil suspended by a rope 10 stories up, you know?

  • DB

    People on both sides of the aisle are angry and the simple answers from the Tea Party gets the vote because the real problems in our society are too complex for even the smartest people in our society to understand.

    • Tina

      But keep listening to this show and to the Bill Moyers show on PBS, etc.:  a lot of smart people are speaking very clearly about the situation; the unjust inroads that some “entities” have access to, AND solutions!!!  Joseph E. Stiglitz is just one of the brilliant economists (Nobel laureate) who explains a lot really clearly.  Look for his editorial piece he wrote synopsizing his book, the Price of Inequality (I think that’s the title).  The piece was written for the Washington Post, I think, but it was published in the Providence Journal.  Maybe you can find it thru that link (I don’t know about the public access to various newspapers on the web nowadays, and I can’t search for it myself right now to help.). I’m sure his views are out there, tho!

      • chiggerspit

         …it would be interesting to see few – if any – of the callers this morning have heard an interview of Professor Stiglitz when he was on his book tour earlier this year let alone read his book.

      • Don_B1

        The referenced Stiglitz article (an adaptation from the book, “The Price of Inequality”) can be found here (along with links to other subject-related columns):

        http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/05/joseph-stiglitz-the-price-on-inequality

    • nj_v2

      The smartest people realize there aren’t really two sides of the aisle.

      • Don_B1

        It is certainly true that many Democratic Party legislators feel they have to support “big money” contributors to avoid losing in the next election.

        But the next time you think there is no difference in the parties, consider just the judges nominated to the Federal bench and Supreme Court.

        Consider Bush v. Gore, Citizens United (and the previous decisions going back to Valejo) and the wrong-headed decision that the “mandate” was not legal under the Commerce Clause.

        There are many other differences also.

    • chiggerspit

      …yes – precisely.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1408098372 Mari McAvenia

    The Tea Party – which is not even a legitimate political party- has got to pull off a miraculous PR make-over to convince this voter that they’re NOT a quasi-racist mob formed as an ignorant backlash to our election of the first Black US president.  

    • Brandstad

      Who do you think they are racist against?  I have seen all racists at all of the Tea Party events I have been to.  Are you saying the blacks, and hispanics by my side were racists too?

      Your argument is based in ignorance!

  • Charles Vigneron

    Through a reading of history and their own literature I’ve come to think of the Tea Party as “The Know-Nothings 2.0″

    • Brandstad

      Please give me a list of your favorite history books and what Tea Party litterature you used for this assesment.

      • nj_v2

        litterature

        Apparently, the TP has its own, special genre.

        • DrewInGeorgia

          They get two T’s because they’re special.

  • Kathy

    The filibuster? Should democrats try to block legislation, the life expectancy of the filibuster in a Tea Party controlled senate will be nano-seconds.

  • MrNutso

    If Republicans gain all three, expect to see changes in Senate rules that allow cloture by a simple majority.

  • Dean

    It never ceases to amaze me how easily people can be coerced into voting against their own interests.

    Whatever the Tea Party is, the 1% is loving every minute of their success, and will continue to fund their campaigns in a drive to make government of the people, by the people, and for the people perish from this land in favor of a government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.

    • Greg

      The Teaparty “members” are going to get kicked in the face and knocked to the ground and they are not going to be able to get back up.

      THey will never know what hit them.

      That’s what ignorance can do. Destroy you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The Tea Party in theory is the party of big changes – the Tea Party in practice has been business as usual. Which is a good thing – because while in theory the Tea Party platform is good for the country and economy in practice it would destroy it.

    • Scott

      Sorry but I have to say that it seems to be the mirror opposite of that. They think they are the party of returning to the way things used to be in the past, so change is really making it like it used to be or the same. In reality, they are asking for a complete upheaval of everything that America has been built upon, including the protection of the middle class and the majority of who support them and in favor of the elete minority.

  • Tina

    I’m sorry, but I really have to wonder about the basic intelligence of the Supreme Court justices who ruled in the majority on the Citizens United decision.  It feels like they just couldn’t think widely and intricately enough to see the consequences of their decision!  If they turned in their decision as a term paper, I’d send it right back to them for more work on the context and ramifications of their choice.  

    • Dean

      I despise the decision, but the Justices are not there to decide what is good for the country, they are there to determine what falls within the legal constraints of the Constitution.

      • Greg

        Money is speech.

        Tell me where that is in the Constitution.

        And btw, foreign powers are buying the next congress and president with their “speech”.

      • Che’ Riviera

        And they aren’t partisan, either…

    • Greg

      The Supreme Court is fully fascist.

      This current court has never ruled against corporates or the state over the people.

      They knew full well what they were doing.

      That’s why they were put there.

      • chiggerspit

        Thank you, Greg!  Sal Russo, who’s PAC ( http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Our_Country_Deserves_Better )
        funnels hundreds of thousands of dollars into an effort doubtlessly working against you and you family’s best interest does not, for instance, erroneously equate fascism and nationalization of industry because he is unintelligent or mentally lazy, he more than likely – brilliantly, and without out missing a beat – does so to help further a specious argument which he believes will serve the goals of his ideology.

        That Tina, someone who IS apparently as mentally lazy and easily agitated by such nonsense as the those who champion the “teaparties” is grading anyone’s term papers concerns me as much as any of the on-air palaver we’ve listened to this morning.

        I imagine Dean (below) would agree it is important when forming an argument like yours, that one not confuse intelligence with ideology. 

    • DrewInGeorgia

      A lack of intelligence had nothing to do with that ruling.

    • J__o__h__n

      Seven or eight of them are very intelligent.  The problem is that the majority of the Court has an extremist agenda.  Roberts is an evil genious plotting a conservative restructuring of this country several moves ahead like a chess master.

  • Scott

    It’s
    really sad. People are angry and they have every right to be angry. They want
    to go back to the days of prosperity and the notion that our kids will do
    better than we did. These are great goals but supporting ideas of the past that
    have nothing to do with these ideals will not get us there. People are
    supporting the notion of their faith, God and country and cutting spending, again
    these are all fine goals. But, they do not realize it will be at the expense of
    the middle class. They have no history of taxation and other fundamental ways
    America has worked to support and uplift the middle class. They are running on a
    gut feeling of what is right and wrong with no critical thinking on the details
    of what is really happening and who is handling the puppet strings that is
    raping our country.   

  • Thomas Borton

    Karen Tumulty stated that (I have no transcript, so I resort to “oratio obliqua”), “…we journalists are sometimes too quick to label any conservative victory as a Tea Party victory.” A keen observation. Too often the label is a convenient way to organize resistance to what she called a “movement”.

    I am a conservative voter who is often supportive of Tea Party position, not the other way round. If my vote for an election candidate were publicly known, Most mainstream media would likely refer to me as a “Tea Partier”, rather than as a conservative voter because its easier and simpler to categorize and demonize me that way.

    • chiggerspit

      Absolutely. I, who am not a conservative, very much appreciate this distinction.  Thank you.

  • Barry

    There’s a meme bouncing around the internet recently in the form of one of those old school images of a white Jesus in a field of flowers with a child on his knee, but in this updated image instructing the child how to aim a pistol. This perfectly captures the religiosity and political philosophy of the “Tea Party.”  I can’t think of anything scarier than the idea that these people will be in charge of our destiny as a nation.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      This is why I consider “Onward Christian Soldiers” to be one of the most terrifying songs I’ve ever heard.

  • SteveV

    These same Tea Party folks who talk about restoring America are the first in line at Walmart to buy goods made in China. The hypocrisy of these people is beyond belief.

    • Brandstad

      Ignorance runs rampent in your household I see.

      • Greg

        You put the flag beside your name but you are a tool of the fascist elite.

        Every comment you make proves that so.

      • nj_v2

        “Ignorance runs rampent…”

        Branny turns fully self parodying.

    • chiggerspit

      I think if you spend some time studying the movement, you will find, as Tom Ashbrook has pointed out several times this morning, is far from monolithic.

      Again, I direct you too to DB’s cogent comment:
      -snip-
      “…People on both sides of the aisle are angry and the simple answers from
      the Tea Party gets the vote because the real problems in our society are
      too complex for even the smartest people in our society to understand.”

      Also, as a progressive, I find your eagerness to dismiss thousands (millions [?], the word “teaparty” is so amorphous, neither you nor I know what this “group” looks like or how large or small it is… ) of our fellow citizens in such terms completely counterproductive to slowing the type of tragic “What’s Wrong with Kansas” dichotomy I think you are referencing.

  • Thinkin15

    Romney has primarily been Obama bashing and given very little detail about what he will do. His jobs plan? More tax cuts for the rich. Health care? Repeal “Obamacare”. Republican votes will be going for the people who bought Romney’s campaign. What do they plan to do should they gain the White House?!

  • S. K.

    What controls exist to prevent super PACs–whose funding is not made public–from accepting money from foreign contributors? Couldn’t a foreign country decide it was time to influence the US Presidential race, and pour in funding that could be quite large, indeed?

  • Mary Ellen

    The “Russian Doll Program”

    Can you please discuss the “Russian Doll Problem” which allows super-PACs
    to conceal the real sources of funding to the PACs, since incorporated entities
    may contribute to the PACs. The name of the contributing entity must be
    diclosed but the source of that entities funding need not
    be.
    This means even foreign groups with interests against our general welfare can “buy off” elections.  

    http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/2012/nine-things-you-need-know-about-super-pacs

    The tea party represents a group of people who are being used by corporate interests through monied propaganda.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.fey Mark Fey

    Republicans…Intelligent !

    These two words do NOT belong in the same sentence!

    • Jasoturner

      Some are intelligent.  Alas, they seem to be intellectually dishonest as well, since none of them can stand up to the crazy party orthodoxies that have taken root.

      • chiggerspit

        They may be standing up to these orthodoxies better than you would believe – how much of the voting in the house over the past 2 years would you wager is at least, in part, attributable to Norquist’s Pledge?

    • chiggerspit

      …really? Are those Republicans, few in number as they may or may not be, who have succeeded, by rendering government, at both the national and state level,
      untenable if not impotent and thus to a place arguably closer than ever before to one that Grover Norquist could only hope for – un-intelligent?  I find DB’s perfectly phrased and concise comment more to the point don’t you?

      I would add here, as ponder exactly what is going on in your avatar, that if you are actually a partisan, comments like 
                     “….Republicans…Intelligent !

               These two words do NOT belong in the                      same sentence!”are not likely to help you achieve your ends.p e a c e

    • Kairos

      How about the phrase: “intellectual malignancy.”  I think that applies to the Bush, Romney, Gingritch, Cheney, Boehner, Cantor, Fox News crowd.    

  • Hidan

    The below is the letter written by Mark Williams the Former head of the Tea Party Express. This is the man that repeated claim the tea party was in no way racist.

    Read below

    Dear Mr. LincolnWe Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the ‘tea party movement’.The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.And the ridiculous idea of “reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government.” What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions!
    The racist tea parties also demand that the government “stop the out of control spending.” Again, they directly target coloreds. That means we Coloreds would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! How will we coloreds ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong.SincerelyPrecious Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew NAACP Head Colored Person

    • Brandstad

      and your source for this is?

    • chiggerspit

      …really? is this attributable?

  • Greg

    Here’s a teaparty guy who buys the fascist propaganda that has swept this country. 

    He is going to be driven from the middles class by the same “common sense” party he supports.He will wake up into the nightmare he helped create and have nothing to save him.

  • Greyman

    What are Karen Tumulty’s “outside groups” thought or said to be “outside of”, by the way? Is participation in the political process “suspicious” simply by virtue of its practice or existence? PAC donors seem in fact not to be so remote from the candidates whose candidacies they oppose. (Smothering the media with message is no strategy guaranteed success, either: lots of donor cash gets spent every year on losing elections and campaigns.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.fey Mark Fey

    In 2010 only 37% of the voting public bothered to vote!

    All those republicans were put in office by ~20% of the people.

    • chiggerspit

      …yes: and one can’t help but wonder if the most hysterical 20%, or at the very least, the 20% most easily agitated by splashy demagoguery.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mark.fey Mark Fey

       Learn the lesson…

      GET OUT AND *V O T E*

  • Mary

    We’ve had a low tax low regulation environment in banking and look what happened.. Misdeed after misdeed..

    • chiggerspit

      Thank you.  The moment the hackneyed words came from Sal Russo’s mouth, I thought the very same thing.

  • MrNutso

    That’s socialism, not fascism.

  • LOL

    I’d like to thank “Bill” who called in at 10:31 for providing some comic relief.  He probably looks underneath his bed for fascists every night.

  • mjbarr

    unfortunately, the stupids have won

    • Greg

      Tragically, the stupids are destroying us.

    • Che’ Riviera

      Stupid is as stupid votes?

  • Ray in VT

    Fascism is not government owning the major means of production.  Under fascism property and industry remain in private hands.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Maybe private hands but what if the government forces you to purchase a product.

      The MA state government forced my power utility to sign a contract with Cape Wind so I will soon be required to purchase electricity at 3x market rates.

      Is that fascism?

      • Kairos

        There are two types of forces: those who work to put economic and political power into the hands of a few people, and those who work to put the same powers in the hands of the majority.  Today, because of republicanism, a couple of dozen rich guys can pick republican and democrat politicians by drowning out others with advertisments.  This is what you call an oligarcy.  Thanks. 

      • Ray in VT

        I think that the answer to your question would probably largely depend upon the motives and ownership/control of the parties involved.  Were the representatives of the state in bed with/doing the bidding of and intentionally aligning themselves with the owners of the corporation, then one could make the case perhaps.  Mussolini defined fascism as the unification of the corporate and the political power.  Now, I think that should the same elected representatives be undertaking a social/policy position that were to result in such a situation, although without any sort of tit for tat greasing of the wheels sort of arrangement, then I don’t think that one could call it fascist.

        Overall, though, if one had to pick either socialism or fascism, then I suppose that as long as Cape Wind is owned by private stakeholders, then it would have to be fascist.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           The Cape Wind case is an interesting one to analyze.

          It is a private company that is building infrastructure on public lands (waters) at a $0 cost – no bid — lease.  They get massive federal and state subsidies to build and now they have a contract to sell their power at a minimum price of 3x market (with 3% automatic annual cost increase built in).

          The consumer has no option to opt out.  It is small potatoes for each consumer but it adds up to $4B of extra cost for the life of the contract.

          btw – I don’t question the motives of Deval Patrick.  I am certain he believes he is doing this for the greater ‘good’.  However, this kind of cronyism breeds corruption.  His lieutenants have already left the administration for plum positions in the  industry.

    • Bgaidry

      Corporatocracy would be a more accurate assessment. I’m not worried about government owning the means of production, I’m worried about corporations owning the means of government!

      • Kairos

        A benevolent government derives from strong democratic representation.  Republicans obviously rather have a couple dozen rich guys control the majority of advertising enabling them to pick republicans and democrats and drown out the competition.  This somehow is better than government in the abstract.  Market/state is better than Nation/state to republicans.  In China, 24 or so people pick the leaders of the country, and in America 24 people have the same power.   I wish republicans would wake up from their dogmatic slumbers.   

  • Erin in Iowa

    The problem is that the government has gotten GOOD enough at what it does that people think they did all these things on their own.  Get rid of it then and let’s see how it goes!

  • MrNutso

    What happened to the budget surpluses left by Clinton?

    • Jasoturner

      Like the unicorns, it left when W took over.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mark.fey Mark Fey

       Unpaid for wars, Medicare Part “D” unfunded, two enormous tax give-aways to the wealthy.

      Frat-boy pranks on the world stage that cost trillions.

  • TribalGuitars

    The Tea Party started as an actual grass roots movement by middle America about unfair taxes. But in a prime example of how the Right will line up line ducks, and ignore fact, history, and experience, they allowed the Republicans to co-opt them.  So, unfair taxes, which had more to do with why a bus driver is paying a higher percentage in taxes than a millionaire, and became about no taxes, and blaming public workers and unions, and a President that wants to get healthcare under control, as what’s wrong with America when it was the same people that are financing the Republicans that ushered in the laws that brought down the economy that are financing the Tea Party candidates. 

    If they looked at history, fact, and their own experience (or just read “What’s the Matter with Kansas?”, they’d realize that they’re acting against their own interest.

  • Brandstad

    When looking at the two parties over the 1990-2010 timerange, the one thing they both agreed on was big government is best and they blew up budgets and grew the cost and scope of  government. 

    • Kairos

      What types of government though…?  Governments that tax the rich just slightly more to not allow our public institutions fall apart and balance the budget … or … a government that lower taxes on people who didn’t need tax cuts, has let our public institutions fall apart, and leads us on Crusades throughout Muslim countries…? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HUHWX4TIAZRFNFYCWUE43OZDUQ 7LeagueBoots

    I wish folks would actually look at the spending numbers and the relations between taxes and jobs.  Obama and Clinton have the lowest federal spending of any presidents since Eisenhower, Bush One and Two have the highest, and the best job market we had was with Clinton in office when taxes were the highest.

    The issue isn’t really how much we pay in taxes, it’s what’s done with those taxes.  The modern system is that the country socializes all corporate losses and privatizes all corporate gains, and makes sure that the tax money that is spent benefits wealthy folks, rather than the population at large.

    The role of the government is to do right by ALL of the citizens of the country, not just a tiny portion of the citizens.  Government now is all about promoting itself and the rich supporters.  This drives me crazy.

  • Greg

    Here’s what the teaparty people don’t understand at all.

    THe rich are barely paying anything to run the government.

    The government has to borrow to run. (got to love that Trillion Dollar a year military budget)

    The money borrowed to run the government goes to the rich in bonds.

    So not only don’t the rich pay, they make money.

    Teaparty so dumb.

  • Mattwade25

    Sal Russo = ignoramus. Austerity doesn’t work. Greece is not like the US. Fascism is a when corporations seize control of the government. Tea Party express is a front for the Koch brothers.

    • Greg

      The “common sense” teaparty people love eating the rich’s crap. 

      They call it austerity. 

      Paying down the debt. 

      Getting spending under control.

      They are simply put idiots and fools.

  • ZL

    Your caller said Obama wants to grow the government, but he has had lower growth of government than any president in recent history. 

  • Mary

    if you have 6000 donations of $60 and one of 6,000,000 you can still say your average donation is $60.

    • IsaacWalton

      I agree. He has such ‘canned’ answers to give. Tea Party is probably full of big donor money but can’t admit it since it will go against their “mom and pop” grass roots image. Tea Party = Tea Puppets.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mark.fey Mark Fey

       Not true…
      Then only your median contribution is $60.

      The average is closer to $1060, to be accurate.

    • Jasoturner

      You can say it, but the average rises to $1,060.

  • Mattwade25

    If what Sal Russo is advocating worked, we would be living in a economic boom. But since austerity and deregulation don’t work, we are still in a recession.

    • Jasoturner

      He is also going to eradicate crime in America by putting criminals in jail.

      How come our elected officials can’t figure these things out that he sees so clearly…?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    Can Mr. Russo (or any tea party surrogate) define what pro growth means exactly? He claims to be for growing the economy but then decries government spending on things that do exactly that; namely infrastructure, state aid, better funding education, the arts and sciences. Given this he must be referring to supporting the private sector via deregulation and tax breaks. How is this any different than the mainstream Republican platform and how is this independent from the major private contributors to the tea party movement such as the Koch brothers?

    • IsaacWalton

      I agree. I hear too much flowery rhetoric from the Tea Party…all blowing hot air and no substance. Yeah, I get it you’re angry…but what’s your plan? Tea party wants EVERYONE to get rich…yeah at the expense of so many poor and the environment. So invest in the rich who then invest in companies that send jobs over seas to make products to sell to people who still have no jobs or MONEY.

  • TomK in Boston

    Dupes of the oligarchs.

    • Che’ Riviera

      Sounds like an 80′s goth band I used to listen to! 

  • MrNutso

    Like Bush, Romney will cave to every Republican excess.  This is what caused our current mess, and will only exacerbate it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mark.fey Mark Fey

       Except that the people behind Bush actually created most of our problems,

      Tax Cuts, and Wars…Seemingly done inspite of American long term interests.

      • TomK in Boston

        And they are the “new ideas” the TeaOP have to save us.

  • JackDharma

    In the coverage of the shootings at the Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, some people note that the skinheads, neonazis, white supremacists, etc. are no longer as organized and powerful as they once were. One possible reason (see this mornings NYTimes) is that those who would have joined such movements ten years ago now see greater possibilities in the Tea Party to push their agendas.

  • Hidan

    google .com/imgres?q=tea+party+racism+proof&start=194&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1012&bih=323&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=ONZQOicNt875LM:&imgrefurl=http://otpoliticalposts.forumotion.com/t457-more-proof-the-tea-party-is-racist&docid=K4dA9pR9ejeEOM&itg=1&imgurl=http://www.rumproast.com/images/uploads/obuma_kenya.jpg&w=464&h=356&ei=YnoiUPyLFoWB7AHru4CQBQ&zoom=1

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    http://www.sodahead .com/united-states/is-the-tea-party-filled-with-racist-members/question-2717807/?link=ibaf&q=tea+party+racism+proof&imgurl=http://samuel-warde.com/wp-content/gallery/racist-tea-party-signs/1c.jpg

  • hvermont

    The Tea Party has it backwards.  Small government = small economy.  The periods of growth in our economy parallel the growth of our government.  The government is the biggest creator of jobs.  The government hires teachers and construction workers and police officers.  The government prints money (which is what seems to be lacking right now for most people).  This country had the greatest growth when the top tax rate approached 90% and workers belonged to unions.  The Tea Party is the party of the BIG LIE.  Our economy will continue to stagnate until the government steps up to the plate and starts hiring again.

    • Kairos

      Public employment is indeed around 15% of national employment.  Greece’s public employment is 60% of their economy.  Republicans say we are going to end up like Greece, but if you actually look at what Greece is doing, it is easy to come to the conclusion that going too far to the right and too far to the left creates a similar economic problem.  But with America’s lack of critical thinking, unwillingness to actually look at what other countries are doing, and overall ineptitude, propaganda easily drowns out data-driven arguments.

  • Mattwade25

    Eric Hovde dumping $5 million into the Wisconsin Tea Party proves that its not a grass roots movement.

    • Che’ Riviera

      He is a Ron Johnson wannabe.  Sad.

  • Thinkin15

    Hang onto your vote people! Use your vote while you still have it. It’s the only thing left to the middle class and poor and we must make a loud noise and demand a economy that works for us. The right is chipping away at the right to vote. Don’t let them!
     

  • Dan in PA

    Tom,
    I think the tea party is being discredited and over-rated in a continued attempt to maintain two-party system and block all others.

  • Bgaidry

    Corporations are flush with cash which they are sitting on.

    Economic growth is not the problem.

    Economic FLOW is the problem.

    There’s a reason it’s called CURRENCY.
     

    • JGC

      Corporations need Flomax treatment to help relax their currency urgency problem. 

  • TribalGuitars

    The Republicans thought that they could co-opt the Tea Party and have a soldier they could send into the fray to do their dirty work for them and make it look like it was all about the people. The problem the Republicans soon found out was that the Tea Party isn’t controllable. Look at the problems Beohner’s had getting them behind him on lots of issues. He’s used to having the Republicans line up like ducks, and the Tea Party runs further and further to the right, making Republicans in office having to go with them of be driven out, drown by money from Tea Party backers like the Koch bros.

    Most shameful for the Republicans are the Senators and Representatives that aren’t running because they’re tired of fighting with their own party because their own party has become irrational and immobile with the Tea Party tail wagging the Republican Dog.  These people are running away from the problem instead of taking it on and walking it back from Crazytown.

    • chiggerspit

      Absolutely, TribalGuitars, I believe though, that one of the most tragic aspects of the (presumably unintended untenable outcome) you’ve so clearly described is that, drowned out are the concerns of many
      small business owners who embraced one or another of the various “tea-parties” in large part because they felt were stifled by burdensome regulation,
      while larger corporations and multi-nationals received welfare in
      the form of favorable tax codes.

      The question of the roll which unions play in legislation at both the state and federal level speaks to this as well.

      As a proud union worker, I have payed close enough attention to the developments in Indiana, Ohio and Wisconsin over the past few years, as to have had to check myself and my own knee jerk reactions to precisely the mechanism you describe repeatedly.

      I truly wish all Americans could find away to have respectful dialogues, time to study the issues which impact us all, and find universally beneficial solutions — like – H E L L O ! meaningful campaign finance reform ?! — (as opposed to Citizens United, which, to me, resembles driving a gas tanker into a home engulfed in flames); but given that the U.S. is economically “the best looking horse in the glue factory”, those who have not completely surrendered to their own cynicism will have to either  double-down with tolerance, energy, and hope, or retreat into their own echo-chambers.

  • Hidan

    This is David Dukes video of him speaking to the Tea Party activists

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/proof-that-the-tea-party-is-a-racist-organization/blog-332581/

    Now David Duke is a self confirmed racist, former grand wizard of the kkk and HE says he has THOUSANDS of Tea Party supporters.Anyone that denies this statement is claiming David Duke is lying. If David Duke is lying then why is he going to so much effort to lie and encourage the Tea Party to support his racist agenda

    The following are direct quotes from the stormfront website:The TPAC or The Tea Party Americans Coalition is forming local chapters to work together at local events and at the July 4th Tea Parties. We are actively recruiting members from Stormfront and other sites for this purpose and if you are a White Nationalist who wants to work together with other White Nationalists to further the cause then please contact me for details. There is no time like now to start to take back what is rightfully ours and for aryan men and women to unite behind our common cause.
    EVIDENCE 3The racist signs at Tea Party rallies are well documented and some TP will say these were planted by other parties trying to make the Tea Party look bad. Do these look like plants to you ?

  • Greg

    The elites love to split the American people.

    That way the American people fight each other and not them.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      Don’t give the elites all the credit, we do a pretty damn good job all by ourselves. It’s so much easier to snatch up arms and go to war with each other than it is to acknowledge our differences and address our failures.

      • Che’ Riviera

        Those are fightin’ words!  Put up your dukes, DrewInGeorgia!

        • DrewInGeorgia

          lol.

          ;’)

      • chiggerspit

        Thank you.

  • Michaelbiales

    The head of the Tea Party Express mentioned Greece ‘s
    economic problems as a cautionary tale for America.  But not enough taxes
    is a significant part of Greece’s problem. They are very bad at collecting
    taxes because tax collection is so corrupt.  there was even talk of
    sending in German tax collectors so that the tax revenues come in.

    • chiggerspit

      …really, the Greece situation is a secondary function of both the West’s beloved delusion that wealth can be created by an ever more technical and specialized international banking industry and Greece’s own government  failure to regulate itself – don’t you think?

  • D-gann

    Why isn’t there a question about left wing big money and PAC’s?
     
    Does anyone truely belive that someone like George Soros and his son have anything but their own self interest in mind when they form their PAC’s?

    How about all the Wall Street money going to President Obama and the dems? Think they aren’t expecting something in return?
     

    • Ray in VT

      I think that we should be questioning all of these PACs and related groups.  I think that part of the problem with them is their ability to hide their sources of funding.  I think that we could go a long way by requiring them to disclose their funding sources.

      As for Wall Street, I think that much of their money is going to Romney this time around, although I think that much of it went to Obama in 2008.  I think that that sector, like all big donors, are looking for a favorable outcome, and what is Wall Street looking for this time around?  A way around or out of regulations, especially the newer ones that have been a response to the 2008 crash, and who is promising to give them that?  I think that one can figure that out by looking at who they are giving their money to this time around.

  • Mattwade25

    *Sorry, I meant Club for Growth dumping $2 million into the election.

    • Greg

      THe Club for Growth is supported with foreign money.

    • Che’ Riviera

      Isn’t that a hair restoration scheme?

  • finished

    It’s been a long while since I’ve listened to On Point. I left because of clear bias towards the left. Putting a guy on who is calling republicans “fascists” and legitimizing it by actually asking for a response from the guest representing the tea party is exactly why I left.

    • jefe68

      Oh well, I guess you missed the show the other day when they had on Rep. Mo Brooks who was calling anyone who did not agree with his definition of a free market a socialist.  

      • DrewInGeorgia

        Mo Brooks’ willful ignorance scared me. The fact that he received enough support from others to hold any sort of office scares me even more.

  • Greg

    Teaparty people are not very bright sorry to say.

    They are being used by the elite to bring about the destruction of the middle class.

    The elite want nothing more then American workers’ wages, blue and white color, to go down to the levels of China’s.

    The teaparty people are voting for that.

    Once their wages are slave wages they will wonder what happened.

    They surely will get much slimmer as they can’t afford food and gas to get to their WalMarts to stock up.

  • Greg

    Teaparty people are not very bright sorry to say.

    They are being used by the elite to bring about the destruction of the middle class.

    The elite want nothing more then American workers’ wages, blue and white color, to go down to the levels of China’s.

    The teaparty people are voting for that.

    Once their wages are slave wages they will wonder what happened.

    They surely will get much slimmer as they can’t afford food and gas to get to their WalMarts to stock up.

    • harverd

       Sorry to say, they’re doing quite well, better than you.  Are you a snob because you’re jealous?

  • Hidan

    While the Arizona immigration reform may not appear to be a racist agenda the Tea party has supported it and the AZ bill was written by a Tea Part member who also has direct ties to Stormfront and white supremacists:

    “Arizona State Senator Russell Pearce, who submitted the bill has, for many years, been associated with local Neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups.
    In 2006, he came out speaking enthusiastically about the 1950’s deportation act “Operation Wetback”

    In 2007, Pierce was photographed with J.T. Ready spokesman for the National Socialist Movement, better known as the Nazi Party. They refer to themselves, “the premier white civil right organization in the world.”

    Again Jerry is the rightwing hack(normally on Fridays)

    • TFRX

      We can’t ignore the other color in Arizona: Green. A number of privatized prisons had to being filled enough to be a worthwhile investment. And the folks who built them are now Gov. Jan Brewer’s best friends.

  • Rex

    Where in the constitution does it mention campaign finances and monetary issues needed to stay in office?

  • Robert

    It was only a matter of time before the Tea Party lunatic on the show started going off the rails and rambling on about “da konsti too shun” etc..  They are all nutjobs. 

  • Moiracee

    When people go on the radio, they should not MAKE STUFF UP!!!  Who says no one teaches the constitution anymore?  Patently false- I live in Massachusetts where my 3 children had EXCELLENT public education and we have 3 copies of the US Constitution one form each of them because they studied it in detail!!!

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Well I live in MA too and our public school didn’t study the Constitution adequately.  In fact, the school system was so poor they had the same crappy history text book from middle school through high school.

      However, they spent a lot of time learning how Columbus was a butcher.

      • Ray in VT

        Well, there’s certainly plenty of evidence to support your latter point, and that has generally been pretty overlooked in most history books.

        Have you ever read James Loewen’s Lies My Teacher Told Me or Diane Ravitch’s The Language Police?  They’re both pretty interesting looks at what is in textbooks and who tries to influence it.

        • DrewInGeorgia

          YES! Lies My Teacher Told Me is one of my all time favorite reads. Anyone who hasn’t read it should do so first chance they get.

  • Mattwade25

    Max Planck said: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. ” 
    The Tea Party is the last gasp of the racist elderly Americans who see “their” America slipping away from their control. We just need to wait until they die off before we can move forward as a nation.

  • Jeff Odonnell

    Why did you let the Tea Party spokesman go? I would have loved to know why fiscal responsibility became important after G Bush left office. How many billions of dollars were spent in two wars that was not accounted for in the budgets of those years? It is nonsensical at best, and an outright lie at worst to say this became important after Obama became president. These costs weren’t accounted for in those budgets, and just like the authorization for the wars themselves, Congress did not do their job. Democrats and Republicans. I want to know how the “Tea Party Express” pays for itself without fat at donations. Could we take a good look at those books? You had a caller that mentioned Fascism….I see more of a caste system being installed….but there is a large part of the Big Lie going forward……look at polls that show people still believing that we found WMD in Iraq, or that Iraq was involved in 9/11.The superpacs are encouraging polarization because an ignorant populace will be much easier to rule. We laugh at statements that we read from citizens of North Korea pleased with their government, but then we just readily accept Rep Ryan as a rational voice?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Ron Paul hosted the first TEA party rally right here in Boston while Bush was still in office.

      • Ray in VT

        Do you have a reference for that?  I did some looking a while ago, and the earliest references that I found to the “Tea Party” were around March of 2009.  Did he call it Tea Party, or was it referred to in some other way?

        I do think that there was a great deal of this around prior to Obama’s election, but what really irritates Democrats and liberals is that most within the GOP, and that is where the Tea Party has generally landed, were pretty silent on deficit spending when Bush was in office.  There was pretty much no discussion of a balanced budget amendment, at least not within the party at large in Congress, from the time that Clinton left office to the time that Obama came in.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           Ron Paul supporters held a rally Dec. 16th 2007 in Boston as a TEA party tax protest.  It was related to his 2008 Presidential campaign.  Ron Paul likes to play up that this was the ‘start’ of the TEA party.

          Most in the TEA party disagree and attribute it to the CNBC reporter having his ‘mad as hell and we aren’t going to take it any more’ moment on the Chicago mercantile exchange protesting the government plan to refinance home mortgages.

          • Kairos

            The CNBC guy got mad only after government bailed out the banks and only when government was considering bailing out the American citizens who are underwater, right?  That’s pretty convienent. 

      • Ray in VT

        I did find the reference from December of 2007, however I don’t know if we can really call this the origin of the Tea Party as a movement.  That’s debatable, I suppose.  I mean certainly some elements of the Tea Party platform (if there is such a thing in the more general movement) are the same things that Mr. Paul has been advocating for years, but it certainly didn’t seem to really burst onto the scene until 2009.

      • Bob

        Yep. The Paulson Too Big Too Fail Bailouts and TARP, all pushed through by unelected technocratic elites, was classic Taxation Without Representation.

        Too bad so many hate the principles of the American founding so much that they are blind to where we are today.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    The federal government has a $16T debt and is growing rapidly.  They also have an $110T unfunded liability in entitlements.

    If that isn’t self interest, I don’t know what is.

    • Greg

      The 16 Trillion Dollar Debt benefited the rich.

      And they can pay it off.

      We won’t pay their debt.

      Raise taxes on the rich and make them pay.

    • Robert

       Bush’s two unpaid-for wars, corrupt deals with Halliburton/Kbr/etc, blank-check bailouts (with no requirement for repayment), off the balance-sheet tax cuts and subsidies and teabagger brinksmanship over the debt ceiling that caused the credit rating downgrade had absolutely nothing to do with it….  right.  Of course. No doubt.. you betcha.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         OK, you accounted for $1T of the $16T and made no mention of the $120T of unfunded entitlement  liability. 

        You can pin $21T on Bush because that is the unfunded liability Bush/Pelosi prescription drug expansion.  It is included in the $120T.

        • Kairos

          Some things are affordable if we had the will to do it.  One time in this country we had regulations far tougher than Dodd-Frank and taxes on the rich above 70%.  Now, liberals would like regulations as tough as those that held our country together for nearly 70 years and tax rates significantly lower than the golden age of the American middle class.  We don’t have to make our senior citizens poorer and give tax cuts so Romney can buy a fourth mansion to make the country work.  Things have gotten out of control, and it ain’t entitlement spending.  In fact, Medicare Part D is the third leading driver of the deficit, and if you’ve done your homework, you would know that it is riddled with fraud on the supplier side.  Obamacare reforms the supplier side of Medicare Part D to eliminate the Fraud.  The Paul Ryan plan cuts funding on the consumer side. 

          The excess is on the top, not the majority!

  • Robert

    I wonder if the guy was wearing a tricorn hat with teabags hanging from it..  They are all a bunch of angry, irrational, ignorant, racist nut cases and it has been proven time and again.

    • Swing Voter

      Wow, generalize much? You definitely do not need to be calling anyone ELSE ignorant.

  • TribalGuitars

    I agree with the caller about a cataclysmic confrontation. The Tea Party seems to wallow in a deliberate ignorance on science, fact, history, and experience.  They deny global warming, that our founders separated church and state and why, that we don’t have the greatest health care system by any measure, that without the EPA we’d have more of things like Love Canal and rivers on fire and acid rain.

    I’ve talked to many Tea Party people and it’s funny that when I ask them if they like clean water and air, or if they like that they can’t be booted off insurance rolls for their health issues, and so on, they all like that that, but don’t give any credit to Obamacare, or the Nixon gave us the EPA that lets them have a cleaner environment, or that they still have a job making car parts because of the govt’s help.

    • Kairos

      Wasn’t nice when Nixon was scared of liberals, instead of Clinton and Obama being scared of conservatives…?  Nixon established the EPA, Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall…one action is preventing deforrestization, while the other has enabled dark markets and a 1929 style recession….

  • AJNorth

    The “Tea” Party are in large part boorish and hate-filled bigots and bible-beating bunko artists who mostly call themselves “Christians” — when in fact there is NOTHING remotely Christ-like about any of them, from Jim DeMint, Sharron Angle and Sarah Palin to Michelle Bachmann, Rand Paul and Joe Walsh.

    These people are anti-knowledge in general and anti-science in particular,  anti-environment, anti-gay and generally misogynistic in their positions on women.

    They may not be “Fascists” by definition, but they are totalitarian in that they want things THEIR way or NO way — and virtually all of them are armed to the teeth, with no compunction whatsoever against advocating “Second Amendment solutions.”

    • Bob

      What ignorance. “Totalitarian”? Do you even know what the Tea Party folks argue for, government wise, as opposed to well-meaning, technocratic rule for our own good because the masses are too dumb Democrats?

      • Kairos

        What is governing without compromise called?

        • Bob

          Backbone to do what the voters asked them to?

          Compromising on going into debt and not going into debt leads to bankruptcy, it just takes longer.

          Same thing with handing over power to technocrats and elites, the tyranny still arrives.

          Our current tyranny by the government/banking elite is tasty, isn’t it?

          • Kairos

            So in a debt reduction plan, both sides give policy that will reduce the deficits, but one side will only reduce deficits with policy that is within there ideological scope.  That is an autocratic attitude.  There are democrats in this country and we want deficits reduced in a certain way as well, and you can’t just ignore our voice.   Not to mention the U. S. Labor Department says that infrastructure spending has had an economic multiplier of 1:1.8 over the last 30 years, but that is for people who actually understand economics. 

            But what do you propose we do to end corruption.  I have written to my “representitives” asking for them to propose an amendment that says that advertisement on major mediums can only be payed for by the running-politician’s political coffer during election season, and only living, breathing individuals can donate up to $2,500 per election.  And the same rules apply to lobbyists: a lobbyist can only donate up to $2,500 per politician per term for the next election.
               
            That would pretty much eliminate corrupting influences and force the politicans to make the majority of society happy rather than a few rich guys.

      • TFRX

        The people making up the Tea Party are about 80% fundamentalists. Basically the moderates and left-wing “bi-curious” people who in 2008 might have been interested in your schtick saw what happened when a black Democrat was elected to the White House and one too many crazed idiot went off kerning the president’s long-form raised seal birth certificate.

        You’re on your own. It’s pretty much every shade of white, from ivory to eggshell.

  • Kairos

    I think the Tea Party are the republicans who have been hiding in Brazil since the late 1940s.  They certainly have the same robust individualism, and a writing like this would probably make their head explode:

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. 

  • D-gann

     
    It’s very obvious that these brain washed people using the term fascism have no idea what the term means.
     
    Fascism comes from the government down, not from the people up.
    Fascism is government over regulation gone completely out of control.
     
    That is what the left in this country is moving us towards.
     
    Business is being regulated to death in this country, literally. Just look at the trucking industry.
     
    The Tea Party is not a political party it is an idealistic movement.
    I have been to a rally and saw people of all colors, creeds and religious persuasions.
    All in favor of personal freedom and responsibility,
     
    Not a single person that I know is against helping someone who is truly in need and cannot help themselves.
    Not a single person I know wants to end Social Security or Medicare.
     
    These are lies of the far left in this country.
     
    As for the charge of racism.
    It’s not about Obama’s race, it’s about an honest disagreement with his political philosophy.
      

    • Greg

      Wow, you are one of the deluded. The trucking industry has been being deregulated since Carter.

      Take care, you are going to need it.

    • J__o__h__n

      “It’s very obvious that these brain washed people using the term fascism have no idea what the term means.” – You certainly proved this but not in the way you intended. 

      • chiggerspit

        -snip-

        [F]ascism is best defined as a revolutionary form of nationalism, one
        that sets out to be a political, social and ethical revolution, welding
        the ‘people’ into a dynamic national community under new elites infused
        with heroic values. The core myth that inspires this project is that
        only a populist, trans-class movement of purifying, cathartic national
        rebirth (palingenesis) can stem the tide of decadence.”

        - Roger Griffin, Nature of Fascism, New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1991, p. xi

        -snip-

        “…The historic function of fascism is to smash the working class,
        destroy its organizations, and stifle political liberties when the
        capitalists find themselves unable to govern and dominate with the help
        of democratic machinery.”

        - Leon Trotsky, http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm

        -snip-

        “…the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation,
        of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it
        applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs
        and I do not know what else … Except for the relatively small number
        of Fascist sympathisers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’
        as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as
        this much-abused word has come.”

        - George Orwell: ‘What is Fascism?’

         

        • Ray in VT

          You’ve provided a nice selection of quotes here regarding the nature of fascism.  The only one that I take issue with is the one from Tannehill, which looks to have been originally published by the Libertarian Review Press.  My problem with that quote is that it equates socialism with fascism and regards it as being largely the same, and I don’t think that that is the case.  It is certainly well out of line with mainstream of historical thought on the subject.  I also tend to think that this view has been recently promoted by American conservatives as part of an attempt to smear liberalism.

      • chiggerspit

        Dear John,

        pick your poison. Doubtlessly you will see quicker than I that it
        rapidly becomes pointless unless we learn to listen to and honor each
        other.

         

        -snip-

        What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments is a highly disputed subject that has proved complicated and contentious.

        - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

        -snip-

        “…A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with
        community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults
        of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed
        nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration
        with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with
        redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of
        internal cleansing and external expansion.”

        - Robert O. Paxton, The Anatomy of Fascism, page 218. Knopf, 2004

        -snip-

        The Doctrine of Fascism by Benitto Mussolini, (1932) can be found here:

        http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

        -snip-

        “Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of
        the means of production in the hands of private individuals but
        exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of
        the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a
        more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism. ”

        – Tannehill, Morris and Linda. The Market for Liberty. p. 18.

        -snip-

        “…The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
        people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes
        stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is
        fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by
        any other controlling private power.”

        - Franklin D. Roosevelt, April 29, 1938. Message to congress.

    • Robert

       oh please..  get a grip. The tea party is made up of a racist and ignorant majority that have no clue that they are being used by an oligarchy to do it’s dirty work. All of a sudden, the deficit became an issue after Bush left office..   Where were these angry, spitting, hate-spewing  bigots when Bush was in office? Where is the Surplus Clinton left us? Why have they blocked every piece of legislation supported by moderate Repubs and Democrats that has come to the floor of the house…. even if it was legislation they supported? Why did they hold our economy hostage and cause the credit downgrade? Why are they rabid climate change deniers… even while their farms are dried to a crisp with the occasional wildfire mixed in?
      Why are they supporting Romney (who by his actions as Governor) stands for everything they rail against?
      In short, they are a bunch of idiots blinded by hate and nothing else.

      • julie

        You are calling others idiots and blinded by hate…lol.

        • chiggerspit

          ;  )

          (sigh.)

          • chiggerspit

            …maybe rotflol ?

          • J__o__h__n

            Isn’t that the name of Romney’s horse?

      • chiggerspit

        Dear Robert,
        …some of points made in your comment may or may not be true; just as it may or may not be true that you (and many of those who may sympathize with your viewpoint for that matter) may or may not be bourgeois, Volvo driving, habitues of whole foods & trader joes who are certain to put their recycling out on schedule, who were “with” occupying 99%, (and perhaps came out for a sunny day demonstration last year, but never get up-to-their-elbows in any movement), but how would any of these prejudices  — surely based, like most jokes and dreams, on some semblance of “reality” — have any positive bearing upon the effecting a safer, more peaceful, and prosperous future for your children or mine?

        p e a c e

    • MrNutso

      Fascism is authoritarian government control of the populace with a with an almost Liassez-faire economic system.

      • Bob

        Wrong. Government control of populace and corrupt support of “private” industry that goes along with said populace control. 

        That is similar to our trajectory.  Just because you like the ends that our populace controllers have, doesn’t change the nature of the means.

        Just like benevolent dictatorship, good fascism would be great until it goes bad. 

        • J__o__h__n

          Is this Dave? 

    • Kairos

      “It’s not about Obama’s race, it’s about an honest disagreement with his political philosophy.”  Than what was all that birtherism about?   What did Fox News and the Republicans go on besides name and complexion? 

      But personally, I heard that Romney was born in Communist Canada….  Where’s his birth certificate?

    • jimino

      Fascism is overweening nationalism focusing on an ill-defined enemy/scapegoat for society’s ills, with the government utilizing religious fervor and language while protecting crony corporate interests at the expense of labor, a worship of the military, disdain for intellectuals, and fraudulent elections providing some cover for the corporate interests in whose thrall  government control truly rests. 

      Sound familiar?

    • Bob

      B I N G O

    • chiggerspit

      Thank you. Unfortunately, too often some people seem to forget that adopting often largely uninformed, rigid, absolutist positions and then arguing that position on the internet is like pissing in the wind.

      I take you at your word.

      p e a c e

      • chiggerspit

        …I would also like address my comment to majorlib to you.

        Thank you.

    • TFRX

      “Not a single person I know wants to end Social Security or Medicare. ”

      You need to get out more. “Drown it in a bathtub”, anyone?

      • TomK in Boston

        The Ryan budget replaces guaranteed medicare with a Groupon that seniors take to the predatory insurance corporations on their own, ie without the purchasing power of medicare with millions of members. The gap between the value of the Groupon will grow over time. That is ending medicare as we know it.

        Sure, the “new” class warfare version of medicare will still exist so the right can play high school debate games and say no problem, medicare still exists, lookee, it’s right there. So what? 

    • jefe68

      I guess all those regulations were the reason Wall street drove the economy over the cliff. As to the trucking industry do mean the teamsters or independents?

      You are also confused about isms. Fascism is more right wing and socialism is left wing for the sake of keeping it simple.  

      Personal freedom, I hear that a lot from the tea party and the mainstream GOP. I’m not sure what that means in context to how a country is run. There was a time when corporations had enough “personal freedom” to make children work 12 hour days 7 days a week.

  • majorlb

    From the times of Reagan, I could not understand why the middle class and the working class voted against their own financial self-interests, i.e., voting for Reagan, Bush, tea-partyers, and, now Romney. The theory that I came up with has recently been confirmed by psychological experiments. The strongest self-interest that most people have is their interest in maintaining their image of themselves.  One of the attractions of conservatism and especially tea-partyism is that appeals to people’s image of themselves as being independent and responsible for their own fates.  Of course we all are to some degree, but not nearly to the extent that these people believe. (Recent psychological experiments also support the idea that many people are delusional about how much control they have.)  If you look at social programs, people (not just tea-partyers) tend to believe that social programs that they benefit from are deserved, even earned — they do not consider these to be social programs — and the social programs that do not benefit them are socialism.  This is how someone can be against socialized medicine but think that their Medicare is the best program out there — even though it is a single-payer plan! Or be in favor of improving military and VA medicine which are also single-payer plans. This is how double- and triple-dippers (collecting military, civil service and/or social security) can be against socialism.

    • chiggerspit

      Your point reminds me of one of my favorite books, Canarsie: The Jews and Italians of Brooklyn Against Liberalism, by Jonathan Rieder.

      Few are the moments most humans have available to ponder that as we accumulate wealth, we must, in order to protect it, either use a portion of that wealth to provide opportunities for those outside our socioeconomic and ethnic experience to accumulate their own wealth, or decidedly and purposefully perceive them, like a wartime enemy: the “other”.

      I wonder too, if without first recognizing that each of us, as you wisely point out, has such great potential for delusional self-concept and ability to control outcomes, that even each person around the world being magically empowered to use 1/1000 as much time considering “the other” as they currently do merely surviving, or protecting what they “have” from those who have not, the world would be any different at all.

      p e a c e .

    • Guest

      It surprises me the number of times I’ve read comments questioning why people vote against their own self-interests, as if the critical factor in each decision and vote should be whether it puts money in their own pockets.  Perhaps they voted for Reagan, Bush, and will vote for Romney, because they want a smaller, less intrusive government.  Maybe they believe that programs into which they have paid taxes in return for a promised benefit are different from those that pay a benefit merely because someone happens to be on US soil.  And maybe these people are willing to accept more uncertainty and risk in their personal lives, by not having a government that provides for every need from cradle to grave, in exchange for more freedom.

  • Charles A. Bowsher

    Tea Party, Schmea Party!
    Who is paying the bills behind the scenes?  We will never know, or at best, we will only know long after it is to late for it to matter.

    Who is paying for their buses?  Who is paying for their rallies?  Who is paying for their food, their buttons, their phone banks, their signs? Follow the money. Follow the money. Follow the money if you can.

    I fear Citizens United has doomed us. Unless
    we stand up and fight, stand up and vote. THIS IS the most important election in our Nation’s history.

    They may have all the money, but we have all the votes.
    Get informed, Get out and vote, get your friends out to vote.
    We need you, your country needs you.
     

  • Yar

    Tom, this was a good show, I don’t think anybody can see past the election, regardless of which party wins.  I wish you would do a show with author James Howard Kunstler.  I just finished his latest book, Too Much Magic.  He has published what I have been feeling for years.  I am at the tail end of the boomer generation and I can’t see any possibility of a secure retirement.  I got off the technology train and am now trying to eek out a living on the farm.  Eating well, but not really paying the bills.  I picked a bushel of beans during the show to break during the beach volleyball match tonight.  Hopefully I won’t miss too many strings.  I appreciate your work. 
    Thanks
    Ray

    Here is an interesting comparison
    POLITICS: DÉJÀ VU – COMPARING THE KNOW NOTHING PARTY VS. THE TEA PARTY
    http://craigconsidinetcd.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/deja-vu-comparing-the-know-nothing-party-vs-the-tea-party/

    • chiggerspit

      …brilliant!

  • Bob

    What a joke of a straw man. And just who puts Obama or Clinton in office?

    Recall that we live in a Corporatist State. Both Parties feed it, in order to cement their place in power.

    Smaller government, more people power libertarians abhor it, and want real competition, real markets, no too big to fail, based of enforcement of an equal Rule of Law.

    The Rubin/Geitner/Clinton/Bush/Paulson/Greenspan/Bernanke techoncratic, corporatist, elite finance control of our society, have lived beyond the rule of law, to the detriment of the people.

    Knee-jerk defenders of the Democratic Party (mainstream Repub goes almost without saying), are aiding and abetting.

    http://www.capitalismwithoutfailure.com/2012/07/the-main-driver-of-gdp-growth-strong.html

    GDP Growth More Strongly Correlated with Rule of Law than Anything Else 

  • Bob

    Please just read this, and understand both how the Democratic Party has been complicit in creating the monster, and that the false dichotomy argument that only socialism could be the answer is non-sense.

    http://www.capitalismwithoutfailure.com/2012/07/the-main-driver-of-gdp-growth-strong.html
    Our country needs a lesson in the basic Western Civilization concept of Rule of Law.But thats to hard isn’t it. Picking one of the black and white, Democratic, Republican shiny objects is just too easy. Don’t forget your pom-pom-poms!

  • TomK in Boston

    The TeaOP is a joke. We have the spectacle of low income people who really need gvt programs like medicare and SS duped by oligarchs into supporting their destruction. WTF?

    The Ryan budget, supported by Etchasketch, ends medicare. The Ryan Groupons will not cover the cost, and the gap will grow every years. It is nothing but class warfare, shifting costs onto seniors to preserve ultra-low taxes on the romneys. 

    The righty Big Liars control the TeaOP. They say they will “save” medicare by balancing its budget. By that argument it would be even more “saved” if it just provided a bottle of aspirin. They say they will give us “freedom” to choose our health care. Sorry, but the simplest and most effective rationing is being priced out of the market. If you go to WellPoint waving a Ryan Groupon, you’ll be free all right – free to die. 

    The TeaOP types I’ve seen, elderly and often obese, are insane to support the destruction of the retirement programs.

  • Che’ Riviera

    Maybe we are neither smart enough nor responsible enough for Democracy.

    • DrewInGeorgia

      I agree, so what should we do about it?

      • harverd phd

         You’re not smart enough to do anything.

        • Ray in VT

          Nice.  Thanks for doing your part to bring down the discussion a notch.

          • harverd phd

             What…I was agreeing with Drew…besides, this stupid thread was conceived in the pits to begin with.  Can’t go lower than the bottom.

        • Kairos

          Na na na bo bo, stick your head in do do. 

    • harverd phd

       Good job! Self-diagnosis is rarely as successful as yours.

    • RobertLongView

      a poll tax will solve that

  • Helena Halperin

    excellent future show: Tiffany Easthom, the director of Nonviolent Peaceforce’s groundbreaking conflict intervention program in South Sudan will be coming to Boston on Sept 28th and 29th. Perhaps Tom would like to run a show with her a day or two before that event. Nonviolent Peaceforce currently has deployments in Mindanao and South Caucasus. Tiffany Easthom was formerly country director for the now-closed deployment in Sri Lanka. You can learn more about Nonviolent Peaceforce at http://www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org. I am the local contact person and will be Tiffany’s Boston host. I can be reached at 781-643-1692 or at hshalperin@verizon.net.

  • jimino

    Mr. Russo refused to address the issue of the growing inequality, focusing instead on “growth” of the economy.  But if all the growth goes to a tiny number of people, as has been occurring over the last 3 decades, growth itself is no answer whatsoever.  It’s just a dodge.

    Another of his dodges was his claim about the “average” source of the Tea Party Express funding.  Almost all of its money comes from wealthy right-wingers and their think tanks and foundations.  Kind of like when Warren Buffett goes to the dollar movies and the “average” net worth of the 20 others there suddenly jumps to $2 billion. 

    Another word for his responses is “lying”.  But that’s his job.

  • RLS

    Please explain your snide remark just now “..more conservative than Attila the Hun!”.  Please!

  • Jbot Aldrich

    Saul “Those statistics you can look at them several ways”, Tom  “Not that many.”  
    Thank you Tom.

  • Bin

    Anyone who believes that the current Tea Party is “grassroots” should also believe that McDonald’s burgers come from happy cows who wear chef aprons while freely browsing on flowering clover in the fields…

    • Kairos

      The Tea Party are nothing more than reactionaries.  Reactionaries have popped up over the course of human history and have never done anything productive.  Of course, they are unconsciously doing the dirty work for a few oil billionaires and bankers.  I suppose they are relics of Feudalism who desire their own serfdom by giving economic, political, and bartering power to a thin minority of elites.  It sucks that they are taking everyone with them. 

      • Bob

        Speaking of Serfdom, did you ever in fact read The Road to Serfdom by Nobel Laureate AF Hayek? Didn’t think so.

        • Mike_Card

          Read An Echo Not A Choice–maybe it was vice versa–by Phyllis Schlafley.  Same crap, different nouns.

        • Duras

          Read a little more and you will start to see the big picture.

    • RobertLongView

      Eat Mo’ Chickin’!  But don’t drink the milk — it’s contaminated with radiation & chemical byproducts… .

  • Doug

    The tea party is a movement in name only.  Just follow the money — the real money.  It leads directly to long-time GOP backers.  It may have started as a grass roots movement.  In some places, it may still be.

    But once the anti-Obama message took hold, it became the cause of the GOP money-men.  That is why all the presidential candidates pandered to the the Tea Party; and that is why Romney is forsaking his own gubernatorial record and moving to the right.  

    That is where the big money is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1155042916 Mike Hanson

    The Tea Party is populist in every sense of the word and diffuse. There is no one leader or main organizer who can be vilified and attacked, a particularly effective liberal MO. It has been successful in nominating and supporting candidates over both democrat challengers and GOP incumbents on a scale that liberals could dream of. The best the left got was Ned Lamont … how did he do again? They seized direction of the GOP to make it more reflective of its base, liberals have NEVER been able to accomplish the same with democrat party. Liberals say the Tea Party is all big money but I think that’s more a reflection of the lefts own ties to corporate money. Tea Party locals have been built by the strength and activity of their members.

    I figured out why liberals hate the Tea Party so much: its everything they wish they had.

    • J__o__h__n

      What is the “democrat” party?

    • jefe68

      The tea party should be renamed the regressive party for that is what they truly are. I see nothing but a bunch of scared middle aged white conservatives desperate for some kind of nostalgic construct of America. Except it’s an America that never was. As to the rest of your comment, well it’s very immature and leaves out the reality of changing demographics in the electorate.   

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Alexander/1293197655 David Alexander

        I don’t understand the negativity. Like Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party is vague in what it stands for. For the past 30 years I have been horrified at where this country is headed. Trade deficits every year, deficit spending every year, falling dollar every year. I don’t care what party you are in, but one thing is quite clear … this country will be bankrupt and our currency worthless if we continue on this course. Both parties are to blame. This downturn is the new normal. We need to balance the budget as soon as possible. At least the Tea Party recognizes this, and Obama and Bush gave no leadership on this issue.

    • Mike_Card

      That probably works, as long as you describe a “liberal” as someone who doesn’t need to carry a gun, or run non-whites out of the country, or recognizes a half-black man as the duly elected president of the United States.

      When you whittle it down, the teabaggers are a very small tent.  Not really much bigger than the one that holds white supremacists and illiterate rednecks who only vote because they can’t figure out any other way to justify their pathetic lives.  And–btw–don’t know the difference between facism and communism.

  • Mike_Card

    Tom–

    How did that ignoramus Jerry get past your screeners?  Jeez!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Gottinger/100001710676107 Carol Gottinger

    If you would like to know a brilliant and respected historical scholar’s research about the conservative movement, its development in the 20th and 21st centuries so far, please refer to the following link.  The Tea Party is easy to understand. It is funded by the Heritage Foundation, Dick Army, and many right wing activists. Please don’t be distracted by it’s pseudo-populist rhetoric. It is funded by big oil, by the moneyed elite, nd by those who would like to restructure our national politics sharply to the right, closer to fascism than democracy. Please follow the link below to do diligent research.   Marcia from Wisconsin

    http://scholarcitizen.williamcronon.net/2011/03/15/alec/

  • Mitchel Gross

    The Tea Party is disingenuous when they say they are
    funded by private citizens. Private money pays for the office staff, but Tea
    Party events are organized by Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks. It’s
    at those events that they are fed the same party line as the conservative super
    pacs.
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party

  • Pointpanic

    Once again ,Tom’s reading list is narrowed to the corporate staus quo. Does he ever read the Nation or Mother Jones just to name two? Or would rub the corporate underwriters the wrong way?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bradley-Harmon/745827447 Bradley Harmon

    Karen T, who I usually like, is way off on the tea party.  I’m from MO and have been active in politics for a long time.  We’ve had a well organized Christian right here for a long time and they’re genuine people.  The tea party is NOTHING more than the money men who are financing a PR campaign and bringing people who were already right wing out under a new and (they hope) bigger tent logo.  This has been well reported on in lots of places and I was pretty disappointed to hear you treading down this debunked line today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1257390766 Zammer Henriksen

    Politicians keep saying “we need to grow the econonmy”. A functioning economy is defined as one in which money is moving; money is not moving because it’s held by the super rich. This idea that money will flow if we keep allowing it to move from poor to rich is absolutely ridiculous - the only thing more ridiculous is the fact that the people hurt the most think the Tea Party and far right are acting in their best interest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1257390766 Zammer Henriksen

    Today’s show was definitely “on point”. I would like to see journalists go a step further; if lower taxes and less regulation makes jobs, we should be able to examine changes in this direction historically, at the state and federal level, and show objectively that there is a trend in one direction or the other. Another objective measure would be to find out where the billions in profits at Morgan Stanley wind up… does all that profit create jobs, line pockets, move back and forth between financial institutions?

  • Emitr

    Sal Russo defined fascism as socialism.  It’s hard to take his analysis seriously after that.

    • RobertLongView

      Yeah, the Tea party is closer to fascism.  They throw around these negative terms like Red Herrings, when that is exactly what the Tea party actually represents.  A lot of voters buy into this — because… ?

  • countrysidestump

    The Tea Party without a doubt is grassroots….I can’t believe that is even questioned. What America will witness soon will be a constitutional comeback. America is being derailed on every front and has vered off course.  The Tea Party will put America back on her tracks and stop the Constitution from being trampled on. The Tea Party has both parties on the run and are making great progress…..we don’t want RINOS and the LEFT is scared too death of them, they just keep dismissing them, but the Tea Party keeps winning races.

  • RobertLongView

    Amazing to me that TEA party is so sentimental.  They speak of America as if she were a long lost lover.   Or some kind of religious experience.  Get real it is the 21st Century.  

  • RobertLongView

    Lords or landlords that is… .  cattle or chattel… .  prince gets his pick or peasants, too… .  no wonder we aspire to the top, eh… .

  • PithHelmut

    The Tea Party cannot think out-of-the-box. It doesn’t really matter what they say, they are going to be proven devastatingly wrong real soon. Think global warming. Their beloved economy will be about as durable as the little pigs’ house of twigs.

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Lara Russo, left, Cally Guasti, center, and Reese Werkhoven sit on a couch in their apartment in New Paltz, N.Y. on Thursday, May 15, 2014.  While their roommate story of $40,800 found in a couch made the news, other, weirder stories of unusual roommates are far more common. (AP)

From college dorms and summer camps to RVs and retirement hotels, what it’s like to share a room. True stories of roommates.

 
Aug 19, 2014
Police wait to advance after tear gas was used to disperse a crowd Sunday, Aug. 17, 2014, during a protest for Michael Brown, who was killed by a police officer last Saturday in Ferguson, Mo. (AP)

“War zones” in America. Local police departments with military grade equipment – how much is too much, and what it would take to de-militarize America’s police force.

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Your (Weird? Wonderful? Wacky?) Roommate Stories
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014

We asked, and you delivered: some of the best roommate stories from across our many listener input channels.

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Our Week In The Web (August 15, 2014)
Friday, Aug 15, 2014

On Pinterest, Thomas the Tank Engine and surprising population trends from around the country. Also, words on why we respond to your words, tweets and Facebook posts.

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Nickel Creek Plays Three Songs LIVE For On Point
Wednesday, Aug 13, 2014

Nickel Creek shares three live (well, mostly) tracks from their interview with On Point Radio.

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