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The Green Party makes its choice: Jill Stein for President. We’ll talk with her about the Green Party vision for the country.

Jill Stein, a medical doctor, is the Green Party's presidential nominee. (AP)

Jill Stein, a medical doctor, is the Green Party’s presidential nominee. (AP)

Americans say they’re fed up with politics as usual.  Jill Stein says she is too.  She was chosen Saturday as Green Party candidate for President of the United States.  The news services call her the “ultra-long shot.”

But she’s saying the things a lot of Americans are thinking.  That both major parties, Republicans and Democrats, look like corporate pets.  That we seem frozen in the face of huge economic and environmental challenges.  That our democracy needs a reboot.  She wants a Green New Deal.

This hour, On Point:  we’ll talk with Green Party presidential candidate, Jill Stein.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Jill Stein, Green Party nominee for President of the United States. A medical doctor, she was also the Green-Rainbow Party candidate for Massachusetts Governor in 2002 and 2010.

Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein at WBUR. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein at WBUR. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

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The New York Times “Jill Stein, presumptive nominee of the Green Party, is probably the only candidate on the campaign trail who spends an hour a day cooking her own organic meals — and who was, not too long ago, the lead singer of a folksy rock band.”

Grist “For a fledgling party, this year represents a small step forward. The Greens qualified for federal matching funds for the first time, but while party leaders can rile up a crowd of like-minded insiders, they seem woefully naïve when it comes to the politicking needed to build a national coalition and convince others outside the base to join in.”

Reuters “Dr. Jill Stein, expected to be chosen as the presidential candidate of the Green Party on Saturday, acknowledges her ultra-long-shot status in this year’s White House race.”

Wall Street Journal “Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein announced her vice presidential choice on Wednesday, naming Cheri Honkala, an anti-poverty advocate from Philadelphia and national coordinator for the Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign.”

Video: Jill Stein

Here’s a campaign video from Jill Stein, explaining why she is running for president.

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  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Stein is too much on the left on a number of my concerns, but it is refreshing to have an honest candidate.  My support is going to Gary Johnson this time around, even though I agree with Stein on some issues.  I’d like for nothing more than to see this a Johnson vs. Stein election, rather than Obama vs. Romney.

  • Ashbrook is Phenom

    Oh gosh. I understand what she is doing and I agree with what she stands for, however, all I can really do is just hope she doesn’t take too many votes from Obama. I mean, Obama has done a stand up job considering where Bush dropped the country off at. Nobody is going to care any more about those issues right now than they do about jobs except for a few radicals on the left. 

    • ana

      Agree.  Is she really ready to be leader of the free world?
      At least President Obama has had the benefit of experience now.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

         Napoleon once said that his mule had been through forty campaigns, but was still a mule.  Some people experience a lot, but learn nothing.

        • TFRX

          Obama has learned to not bother trying to work with the pearl-clutching, fainting couch Congressional Republicans. Now if our news corpse could stop chanting “60 is the new 51″ we might have something there.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            He had his chance and caved in, even when he had a majority.

          • TFRX

            An anonymous hold has been placed on your comment.

            LoserNormColeman’s still got splinters from clutching at the Senate desk he didn’t give up until a year after he lost.

            Obstruction is easy when one side doesn’t give a shit about governance.

    • jefe68

      Jill Stein won less than 2% of the vote when she ran for governor Massachusetts in 2010.

      I doubt she will make any difference in the upcoming presidential election outside of New England.

  • Vasco DeGrabya

    I don’t need to listen to her platform.  In fact, I don’t care if she is proposig the formation of the First Galactic Empire.  I’m just glad to hear a voice other than Republican and Democrat.

  • Judy57

    I will likely vote for Stein, knowing that Obama will comfortably carry my state.  I voted for her for Governor, because I supported her positions on healthcare, education, taxes, etc.  I don’t think she has the depth of experience required for the presidency, but I am tired of the dysfunction of the two party system.  Voting for her will be a form a protest.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       And Obama did have the depth of experience needed for the office?  In fact, who does?

    • TFRX

      Saint Molly recommended that lefties (like herself) vote Nader unless they lived in a swing state.

      You’re in good company.

      • Gina M

        Saint Molly = Molly Ivins? Now that’s a religious icon I could get behind!

        Anyway, I too am in MA, a solidly blue state, and did cast my vote symbolically for Nader. I may well do the same for Stein, although she did not get my vote for gov – that race was too close.

  • J__o__h__n

    Jill Stein couldn’t win governor of Massachusetts.  At best her campaign will be ineffective.  At worst, she will siphon enough swing state progressive votes to bring about a Romney victory.  Progressives should work to make the Democratic party more liberal instead of leaving on a futile quest for the perfect party.  While Al Gore wasn’t a dream candidate, does anyone doubt that he would have kept us from squandering Clinton’s surplus on tax cuts for the rich, invading Iraq, and appointing Roberts and Alito?  Anyone who votes for Stein, has only himself to blame when Romney passes more tax cuts, repeals regulations, appoints the next Scalia, and invades Iran. 

    • Hidan

       Yet Obama’s no Gore and has govern as an Moderate Republican and with the exception of Scalia seems would do the same(or install weak regulation hailing them as a accomplishment that do nothing) as for Iran Obama WH is still saying Iran is developing Nukes(even know again the CIA and even Mosad disputes this). Congress(both Democrats and Republicans) are against any peace with Iran and the Media (instead of the White House) is promoting war with Iran. The attempt by congress to create a new redline possible knowledge of creating a nuke in the near/far away future could be cause for war.

    • Tina

      … the next Scalias…

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      yeah, that’s the problem with progressives, not enough of them are working to make the Dems more progressive. Just keep voting for the dueling bank accounts, that’l fix everything that has gone wrong in this country.

      One party takes no corporate or lobby money gp.org – JillStein.org

  • RolloMartins

    Well this is one Republican who will be voting Green this November. I’m tired of not having any real choice and I’m embarrassed by the GOP. Obama, having given healthcare to the private insurance mafia and let the banks rule the country is now persona non grata.

    • Pancake Rankin in NC

      I’m embarrassed by both Mittens and Obedient, but in NC my vote could mean the difference between Medicare and Social Security continuing versus Soylent Green. Having seen the anatomy of many helpless seniors I ain’t too eager to consume them late night at Wendy’s. Some say “eat the rich” but a loaves and fishes miracle would be required to feed the multitude because a tiny minority own it all.

      • Tina

        Darkly brilliant!

    • Moontide96

      As a social-democrat, I can’t risk voting Green, because that would be giving Romney my vote, as I see it.  Yet, here I am agreeing with everything else that you’ve said!!

  • Hidan

    Id vote Stein over obama or romney.If obama loses the election it’s his own fault for adapting many of Bush policies and governing as an Moderate Republican.

    Currently Obama his liberal(actually liberals not the DC democrats posing as such) as a block he can crap on and will still vote for him because of fears of what Romney might do) so his team believes there little political cost in backing out on promises made to such group(see drone attacks, Defense Authorization Act, Gitmo, extending the bush tax cuts,Weak Dodd/Frank, Obama appointed cabinet members( nearly all from Wall Street)

    • superfinehelios

      For having been such a moderate republican, the republicans are sure beating Obama up. ;-) I think he’s pretty much administered in line with what he puts forward in his book. I’m not surprised at the choices he’s made.

      • TFRX

        It’s that nasty (D) after his name. Change that and he’d be David Brooks’ dream mancrush, and all the Beltway Inbreds would follow.

        Seriously, though, Obama has been shown to be more popular with voters than with the press. Pew poll after poll (thru the end of June) has determined that in not a single week this year has President Obama received press less negative than Mitt Romney. If one just looks at the headlines and framing, one could be forgiven for wondering how Obama is as popular as he is.

        What does that have to do with the Green Party? Simple: The mainstream press treats them worse than they do liberal Democrats. That should not go unnoticed when it comes to media crit.

    • Tina

      “If Obama loses the election it’s his own fault”:  I agree!!  I wrote to his website time and time again urging him to stop caving, all to no avail!!  And yet, voting against him will give us Romney, and that will be truly, absolutely, terribly disastrous, as you KNOW!!!  We HAVE to see the difference between the rhetorical way of thinking about this and the necessary way of thinking about this!!!  

      • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

        rather vote for the corporate hero that the conservatives call commie than the corporate super hero?

        That’ll fix everything.

        “The politics of fear has given us everything that we were afraid of” – Jill Stein

        Quick, don’t change horses now! we’ll get out of the mid-stream torrent over the cliff any day now if we just keep doing the same thing we always have.

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      Don’t forget rolling back the basis of English speaking law to before the Magna Carta (we don’t need no stinking habeus corpus, or those pesky public trials where the defense gets to know what the evidence is (or lack of it).

      Summary executions of a US citizen who is a minor (and anyone else nearby) is just the way the US needs to do business if we are to fight tyranny.
      King George would have creamed his pantaloons to have such power, but it wouldn’t have helped win the the American rebellion anyway.

      It seems we have completely forgotten the main lesson of our founding.

  • Vasco DeGrabya

    I hear alot of talk about experience.  I think it is over-rated in this case.  The president needs good ideas and personal strength.  

    Here is my concern:

    Let’s imagine the Green Party somehow wins the Presidency.  Can you imagine the governmental paralysis that would result?  Imagine the level of cooperation she’d receive from Senator Mitch McMarbles and the Teabag caucus?

    I’m still in support of any parties other than Repubs and Dems.  The conversation definitely needs to be widened.

    • Gwheyduke

      I’m not afraid of the result.  The problem is a repeat of Gore Vs Bush in 2000.  I want to vote for the Greene Party candidate but I fear giving the vote to Mitty’s

      • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

        How about 2004, where Kerry gave up before the votes were counted and the Dem party left it up to the Greens and the Libs to prove Kerry won, and then just continued to ignore the inconvenient truth that the elections was not stolen as much as simply abdicated.
        (not to mention that it was blatantly stolen in both cases by the same means that turned Obama’s landslide into a marginal win.)Vote for open source polling and a paper receipt - gp.org/platform (I. B. 17)

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      “governmental paralysis”

      sounds a lot like the last four years…

  • Chris B

    I like Jill Stein, I like the Green Party.  But to anyone of the Democratic persuasion who’s thinking of actually voting for her I have two words: Ralph Nader.

    • hank

      Yes the problem is the fear of giving the election to the wrong side.

      • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

        “The politics of fear have given us everything we were afraid of” Dr. Jill Stein

        “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

    • JGC

      Some (or many) will say we can’t wait four more years. But I would like to see a third party candidate such as Stein be voted in first to a significant seat such as state or U.S. representative, senator or even mayor (although that reminds me uncomfortably of Mayor of Wasilla Sarah Palin), before taking on the Presidency of the United States.   I know it’s not easy, but Bernie Sanders from Vermont proves it is possible to successfully govern as a person not directly affiliated with either the Democratic or Republican parties.

      • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

        Hard to run for Senate unless your party runs for President to create a draw, esp. if the media won’t cover your candidacy. Many greens are running, and one small part of what Jill is doing is bringing attention to these races.

        If you want to pressure the Dems, actually give them a reason to move to the left of insanity try voting green.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Once again, we see the laziness that keeps Democrats and Republicans in office.  Voters think that those two major corruptions are inevitable, and they dutifully vote them in.

    • Zig

       Yeah, voting for the lesser evil perpetuates the duopoly, and both Dems and Reps are happy with it. After all, if not for Perot, Clinton likely wouldn’t have won.

      Isn’t democracy wonderful? ;-)

      • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

        Lesser evil? that’s the one that’s not evil? right?

  • RoyinVT

    I like the Green Party’s platform, but I can’t consider them as anything other than a once-every-four-years joke. If they would funnel their time, money, and energy into getting someone elected to lower offices and build from the bottom up, then perhaps they might actually affect policy somewhere, but they have accomplished exactly nothing in the 25 plus years they’ve been active in the US.
    Start at the City Council and mayor level, win a few dozen of those, then get a few of those folks elected to state legislatures, and then get one or two of them into Congress. If you can do that, then I might be able to take you guys seriously as a real political party instead of political performance art.
    I am quite liberal in my politics and am certainly not happy with the Democrats, but I don’t know a single, politically active liberal (most of whom are less than happy with the Dems.) who see the Green party as anything more than a wasted ballot space that occasionally throws a tight race to the Republicans.
    Grow up, become a real political party, with candidates that have actually won races and worked in government and then run for president.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Republicans went from a minor party to a major one in two election cycles.  Remember Lincoln?

      • RoyinVT

        I believe the political landscape has changed just a tiny bit in the last 150 years.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Winning an election still requires the majority of the vote.

          • RoyinVT

             And they have a much better chance at doing that at the local level first, developing a true following of people who have seen them in action. Showing up once every four years and getting clobbered isn’t working now, and never will.

          • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

            and lower level candidates have a much better chance of being elected if a compatriot is running for president. It’s amazing how many Americans are really only concerned with one race every four years.

          • Royinvt

            I don’t buy it. I saw only 4 current mayors and nobody at a state wide level on the Greens website. Most city council elections and school boards, which is what most of the elected Greens are, aren’t affected by the presidential race. If they spent all the money they waste on the presidential race every year in getting folks elected to at least state legislatures, if not congress, I think they’d have more to show after more than 25 years. Also, people on state legislatures would be helpful in getting ballot access, and more people would take them seriously for higher office. The facts are plain. This decades long strategy of making vanity runs for president, has accomplished very very little. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity right?
             

          • Hank

            Don’t you mean money?

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            No, I mean votes.  No matter how many ads and campaign stops and other such splash, it all comes down to votes.  Is yours for sale, or do you make your own decision?

          • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

            when sick of the dueling bank accounts vying to appear most in opposition to the corporate agenda, vote for those who take no corp money gp.org

          • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

            “As of May 6, 2012, there were 133 elected Greens across the United States.”
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States

            60 current and former US Mayors are green party
            http://www.gp.org/elections/Green-Mayors/index.shtml

            It’s getting on the ballot that is a much larger struggle than it was in the 19th century, the Republicrats and Demokins well remember the dramatic lesson you cite, as well as the effect of the progressive party in demanding a minimum wage, an end to child labor, and the 40 hour work week.
            If it wasn’t for these very real barriers to media coverage and being on the ballot (having voters know you exist) there would be no need for parties at all.

            In many states performance in last cycle’s presidential campaign is requisite for lower level candidates to have a party line, or be on the ballot at all.

            The total number of greens in lower office over time is too many for me to count easily, but you could give it a shot with this DB: http://www.gp.org/elections/candidates/index.php

      • J__o__h__n

        It formed from the dead Whig party.  It wasn’t a third party. 

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Just as the Greens could form from the leftovers of the Democrats and the Libertarians from the remains of the Republicans?

          • thegreengrass

            Here here.

          • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

            yeah, if people would stop voting AGAINST what they fear and find someone they can vote FOR.

    • Hank

      As long as no one believes, it can never happen.  Take the leap so that others may follow!

      • Zig

         Well, as you can see, even in blue MA, “voting the lesser evil” paradigm rules the roost. It takes courage to vote for one’s convictions. Apparently, most so-called/self-professed liberals lack it.

        • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

          less evil = evil

    • thegreengrass

      Just FYI, there’s a two-term Green mayor of a city of 100,000 people in California. That’s not exactly a “ballot waste”.

      You’re from Vermont, do you vote Progressive Party? Progressives have 2 seats in the VT Senate and 5 seats in the house. Someone had to vote for these “ballot wastes” for the first time, and now they’re in both houses of the legislature. Progress has to start somewhere.

      • Royinvt

        And this is exactly what the Greens need to stress, getting folks elected at a local level first. One mayor is nice, but it’s only a start. The progressives are a strong party in VT and because of building from the bottom up they actually have an effect on policy here. If they were to run someone for president however, yes, it would be a wasted ballot space.
        The Greens have been around way too long to have so little to show for it. If they had been working for the last couple decades to get state legislators elected, and get some mayors and maybe a congressperson, then they’d likely have ballot access in all 50 states by now and could be taken somewhat seriously on the national stage.
        Instead they continue these vanity campaigns that have, and will continue, to accomplish nothing.

        • thegreengrass

          I do agree, I wish they would work on that strategy harder than any others. Jill is bringing in a lot of interest with her campaign, but it will be for nothing if next year people don’t see more Greens on their local ballots to keep it going. 

        • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

          As of May 6, 2012, there were 133 elected Greens across the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States#Office_holders
          60 greens have been, or are, Majors http://www.gp.org/elections/Green-Mayors/index.shtml
          We have more state ballot lines, and more state parties every time. Many more than does Rocky, or Nader, or any non corporate (excepting, possibly, the Libs, who are fairly corporate too, and have much more $; but the petitioning is not over yet in many states).

          • Royinvt

            Yes, 133, and virtually all of them are city council members or library board, etc. I saw only 4 current mayors and nobody who held even a state legislature position. That’s a pretty poor showing for several decades of work.

  • Bgaidry

    Show me the viable organized
    political opposition running on a ticket of halting the undo influence
    of money and lobbyists in government, on overturning Citizen’s United,
    on repealing the privileged personhood of corporations, on reforming the
    financial system and restructuring the tax code to something truly fair
    and equitable for all, and I will pledge my vote, my time and my money
    to sweeping them into office in every level of government. 

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       A party is only as viable as the votes that it gets.  Take away the votes that the Democrats and Republicans get, and they cease being viable.

      • VJK

        Greg rock on!

      • Bgaidry

        Thank you Greg. Very true.

        I didn’t mean to imply that the Green party was not viable. I was challenging Dr. Stein to articulate the Green Party position on these most important issues so I could make an informed decision about supporting her candidacy.

      • Steve_T

         Did you stop to think that maybe more people might show up at the polls?

        The ones that say forget it, I’m not voting for either of these jerks.

        • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

          only 60% don’t vote, motivating them to do so would have no possible effect.

  • MarkVII88

    Never heard of Jill Stein.  Need I say more?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Now you have.  Yes, you should say more. In addition, Gary Johnson is running as the Libertarian candidate. Go forth and learn some more.

      • MarkVII88

         I am an educated, regular commenter on this forum and I work hard to be fairly well-informed about current events, global, national, and local so I’m not oblivious to what’s going on around me.  If I’m not aware of Jill Stein’s platform, how many “Joe Blows” around the country do you think will be?  Will her campaign be given the time of day by the national media this summer and fall?  Will she be able to participate in presidential debates?  Will her staff send forth a chorus of complaints about how she’s constantly shorted on air-time etc. like Ron Paul’s did during his primary campaign?  I admire the principles behind her presidential run, but reality must suggest the writing’s already on the wall and has been for some time.  I only hope that there is an equally right-wing independent candidate who stands to steal more votes from Mitt Romney.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Alternatively, you and I have work to do getting the word out.

        • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

          to bad the writing on your wall only says one thing “conglomeration rules”

    • VJK

      no thank you don’t say anymore…or as Greg said go learn some more first.

    • Hank

      You will never hear anything other than the party line if all you do is watch TV and listen to talk radio.

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      There’s this toadally kewl new thing called Google.com, where you can find information that is not corporate approved (and some that is not exactly informative). You should check it out once. The name you would want to google to hear more is called “Jill Stein”.

      Warning! when using Google, it is best if you have some idea what makes an authoritative source.

  • thegreengrass

    I know that some people who fundamentally agree with Jill Stein are afraid to take votes away from Obama, but please consider the trail of civil liberties that he’s been apparently happy enough to rob us of over the past four years: the continuation of Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program, the very real prospect of drones patrolling US airspace, and the approval of the indefinite detention of US citizens. Combine that with the prosecution of a record number of government whistleblowers and you’re teetering on the edge of a very, very scary place.

    I know that liberals often want to vote against Republicans more than they want to vote for Democrats, but please read about what Obama’s been up to. Even if you take away the disappointments of not fulfilling some campaign promisses, you’re still left with a disturbing lineup of very serious, Obama-approved civil rights violations, and I’m not so sure that’s worth defending against a possible Romney presidency.

    • manganbr

      On different issues, admittedly, people who voted for Nader took this approach during the Gore/Bush election: what difference will it really make whether we get Gore or Bush? Maybe in hindsight, some people still believe Gore would have gone to war in Iraq. I don’t.

      • thegreengrass

        I don’t know, but probably not. What I do know is that Obama unilaterally sent forces to Libya. He’s saying dangerously war-like words against Iran; everyone says they’ve got Israels’ back until it comes to blows.

        Are you voting for today, or 12 years ago?

        • manganbr

          Well not much of a comparison between  the (no-ground-troops-and-over-in-less-than-a-year-with-much-international-support) Libya intervention and Iraq. If Obama wages a war in Iran comparable to Iraq, then I’ll concede everything, but until then, war-like-words are part of diplomacy. 

          I’m just trying to learn from experience. The rhetoric of two candidates being clones seems manipulative in retrospect, so I want better reasoning this time around. Is that too much to ask?

          • thegreengrass

            Sure, I get what you’re saying. I’ve grown up with America going to war for shoddy reasons, so I have no reason to expect Obama won’t do the same. I guess I view the reasoning that he won’t go to war because he’s a Democrat as being unrealistic because there’s just too much money to be made by powerful people from going to war, and they donate to politicians, a lot.

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      don’t forget making habeus corpus officially optional.

  • Leni

    Definitely what this county needs!! The other two parties are useless!!!

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      I wish, worse than useless for humans

  • Soli

    It would be really nice to vote for a candidate who was truly more aligned with my own political beliefs.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Libertarians vs. Greens–that would be an honest election.

  • Anne Hamilton

    This woman couldn’t even win in Massachusetts, one of the greenest states, against Corporate Giants Deval Patrick and Charlie Baker. Now she thinks she can be a leader on the national level? The Green Party needs to get real candidates with real chops, with real street smarts, who can actually give Romney and Obama a run for their money. She doesn’t stand a chance and is going to set the cause back even more. 

    • Tina

      She’s being very clear with her examples.  She’s speaking very clearly.  Just what would “real chops” sound like?  Is it that she has a “soft” voice that turns you away from her?  She may not “stand a chance” for any number of reasons, but I would like to know more about why you hold her to this standard of “real chops” and just what you mean by the phrase.  She seems very willing and able to point out the bad guys and the mistaken actions of politicians compared to the needs of the people.  Thanks.

      • Anne Hamilton

        She sounds like she’s really good at holding a child’s hand who’s crying and totally incapable of the reality of politics, which is a lot of willingness to fight. Politics is not for gentle people. Gentle is really good for leading movements, like Ghandi, not for winning office. Compare with, say, Howard Dean, who clearly knew how to rabble rouse. She’s just not cut out to convince people she can, say, command the respect of the military, which you need to do even if you reject the military industrial complex, as many of us do. She’s not someone who inspires a lot of confidence though she clearly is good at articulating what’s wrong with the system. 

      • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

        mega cash = chops?
        corp media interest = candidate you want?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Al Gore didn’t win his home state.

  • Hank

    Just dye your hair, get some snazzy glasses and wear a push up bra and BINGO you’ve got Tea Party Support baby!

    • J__o__h__n

      You forgot the lobotomy. 

  • J__o__h__n

    The far right parties didn’t take votes from Gore.  She is being dishonest and I just lost all respect that I had for her. 

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      but the greens only “took” votes from Gore? Many greens don’t vote sans a green candidate, and many who cross party lines are Republicans.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Let’s see:

    Civil Rights?  No difference
    Healthcare?  Democrats cave in, while Republicans actively oppose
    Taxes?  No one will do what’s needed
    Foreign policy?  Identical
    Environment?  Democrats are wimpy, Republicans oppose

    The difference?

  • Stb434

    yes, the Gore loss is blamed on Nader/Greens. Other than arguing data/#s, what exactly is your plan in this hard to vote “against” the president. Then opening tbe door to Romney?

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      yeah, data/#s have nothing to do with elections.

  • Tina

    In spite of everything I’ve written so far today, saying that a vote outside the two party system by a Democrat is a vote for Romney, in the first four minutes of the show, Jill Stein has expressed my views absolutely!

  • manganbr

    Let’s imagine that through divine intervention, Jill Stein was elected president. What would she do with the current congress? How can you promise any sort of change without major changes in the party composition of the house and senate? It seems to me that if the Green party was serious about building a third party (rather than just raising issues that other candidates won’t discuss), they wouldn’t waste time and money running a presidential candidate until they could at least get a congress person (say for, Portland Oregon’s district?) elected. Is there a single green party members in congress? (I’m asking genuinely, not rhetorically here). 

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Bernie Sanders from Vermont is a socialist–not so called, he’s the genuine article.  But Obama is too willing to cave in, so if you want a leftist check and balance on Congress, you’ll have to get someone on the left.

      • RoyinVT

         And Bernie provides the template for them. Let them get someone elected to mayor (like Bernie),and then build a following on that to get to congress. If Bernie had come out of nowhere and just ran for President, he would have accomplished just as much as the Greens have. Nothing.

        • manganbr

          Yes, well this highlights a problem for Green party presidential candidates, and for Stein in particular. When’s the last time we’ve elected a president who has not held public office? Stein couldn’t even get elected to the Massachusetts STATE congress. Isn’t, the choice of Stein as a candidate for the Green Party just a huge concession to the Democratic party?

          • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

            No, it’s a concession to reality.

            Zachary Taylor, 
            U.S. Grant, 
            William Howard Taft, 
            Herbert Hoover, and 
            Dwight Eisenhower.

            Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_never_held_an_elected_public_office_before_they_became_president#ixzz21DqYgk5G

    • Pancake Rankin in NC

      Junket to Russia in the fog in a super-sized downer plane…
      worked for Poland. Supreme court needs a Mediterranean Cruise on a rollover boat with a playboy captain.

    • http://twitter.com/geanark geanark

      No, GPUS has not won a seat in the Congress yet, but it’s a lot easier to get attention when running for any office if your party is also running for President.

      For a list of 26 greens running for US Congress, see:
      http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2012-green-party-candidates/

      To see a couple handfuls of these at a press conference, see:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=graxjmWDKdw&feature=youtu.be

  • Jennifer Jia

    I just turned off my radio, going to listen to world cafe instead.

    I don’t disagree with her ideas, but you don’t change something by running (and repeatedly fail) for the POTUS.

    Bernie Sanders didn’t get to where he is today by running repeatedly for POTUS.

    • ana

      I did exactly the same thing one minute ago. (first time ever) She is the glass half-empty girl. How many of us would like to spend an hour a day cooking our ORGANIC meals from scratch- love to! just unrealistic for too many of us.  This one declaration indicates an inability to compromise.
      President Obama has confronted issues that have been neglected for generations. Does Stein really think that she could have achieved single payer in one fell swoop!?  Unbelievable/
      I do not like the war mongering, but I wonder what Stein would do if she woke up every day bearing the weight of a possible biologic atttack on the citizenry.
      She has a lot  to prove, but seems unaware of her lack of fitness for POTUS.

      • Pancake Rankin in NC

        Personally I’d enjoy a White House organic cooking show during which she could discuss other matters. I do some of my best politicking in the kitchen, what with the “table issues.” No lobbyist could have input without some excellent groceries. That lets out most corporations, especially Monsanto.

  • willis117

    Problem is we must remember that the US government is not wholly controlled by the elected president. If Stein is elected it is very unlikely Congress will be controlled by the Green Party meaning no matter what her views, she would be opposed at every turn by Congress. If, by some chance Stein is elected, it is VERY likely none of the reform she proposes would ever come to pass and with no power it is VERY likely she would not win re-election. That’s politics, maybe not right, but politics.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      As opposed to a wishy-washy president who isn’t a balance to Congress?

      • willis117

        Completely agree with you there.

      • Jennifer Jia

        As opposed to a completely combative president that causes a complete shutdown of the government?

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Such as Clinton?  He wasn’t perfect, but he played the Republican Congress like his saxophone.

    • Pancake Rankin in NC

      The US Government is not presently controlled by elected and appointed officials but by the demands of corporate lobbyists. 

  • guest

    Is the green party running many candidates in local elections? I feel like that is a productive place where they can begin to change the discourse in politics that could reverberate nationally. But we definitely need to build to a powerful third party that can win elections, and I think that starts locally.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Here in Arkansas, we had a Green Party candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010.

      • Jennifer Jia

        Did the candidate build his profile from starting and winning mayoral elections?

        If not, then he/she should start with that.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           He’s the mayor of a small town in northwest Arkansas.

          • Steve_T

             Haaa Haa ha ha HA!
            Good one.

    • Mike Card

      Wasn’t Gavin Newsome the Green Party candidate when he was elected mayor of San Francisco?

      • coqui

        no, that was matt gonzalez, and they had to fly in bill clinton late in the game to ensure newsom won the election:
        http://www.sfgate.com/living/article/See-how-they-ran-Arnold-who-Matt-Gonzalez-2524761.php

        • Mike Card

          Nice catch.  I stand corrected.

          • coqui

            My pleasure. Isn’t there something funny about the national Democratic Party flying in to save a mayoral election in godforsaken San Francisco?  I mean, that place has become a slur against the Democrats. And they had trot Mr. President out there to make sure that the Green Party would not establish a real foothold in a major city.

            All the commenters saying the Greens should build locally is all well and good… but know that the Democratic Party — as an institution — will actively work to stomp out any such efforts, and does not see any common cause with the Greens (at least in most cases).

            What the Greens did in San Fran is actually a great example of building up from the local level, though their strength there has petered out. Nearby Richmond, CA is the largest city with a Green mayor. Fairfax, CA has a Green mayor and a Green town council majority. Madison, WI has a lot of elected Greens.

            And Stein herself was a two-time elected Town Meeting member, and has ran for State Rep. in addition to her statewide runs.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Roseann Barr?  She’s still alive?

  • Kathy

    The two parties may both be right of center conservative parties that are beholden to big business, but there is a clear difference between the Democrats mainstream center right positions and the far right extremes the Republicans dwell in. It’s not just that the Republicans are in the extreme right, but they are simply not dealing with reality. They have their consensus worldview in which Obama is a socialist from Kenya, Saddam Hussein masterminded 9/11, global warming is a hoax, and tax cuts increase revenue.

  • bob reis

    sorry, can’t, would love to.  supreme court.  

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      I don’t speak Telegraph–what do you mean?

    • Quichotte

       Precisely – Nader’s legacy is the now corporations are people!

  • Lee

    If you don’t have your health you don’t have anything. Democrats and Republicans don’t seem to understand the urgency of our environmental problems.

    She should be able to debate. If they are too chicken to debate her, they should let her ask the questions.

  • ilovedogs792

    If not for the Green Candidate, Ralph Nader, Al Gore would more than likely have won Florida and therefore the Presidency over George Bush.  

    Imagine what a very different world we would be living in right now.

    The Obama – Romney race is very tight.  Stein can only take votes from Obama.  Wow – Imagine if Romney gets elected.  You think things are bad now!  Romney is promoting “war” language, his economics are voodoo, and he wants to let the banks and every other corporation run rampant.

    • Zig

       If not for losing his home state (when was the last time a Presidential candidate lost his home state – and that too someone like Gore?), Gore would have won the election.

      How about placing the blame where it belongs, instead of shifting it to others? Then again, that’s a typical behavior and expected from partisan Democrats.

  • Quadraticus

    I like much of the idea of the Greens. Not one of the two major parties? Check. Anti-war? Check. Anti-bankers? Check. Decentralization? Check.

    But then they go off the rails. Single payer? Huh? How does that square with decentralization? Why is local control good for everything except health insurance? Why is the central planning committee the right solution to the problem of health care access and cost and not the right solution to just about everything else?

    I’m afraid the Greens are just another face for the Authoritarian Party, along with the Republicans and Democrats. What we need is *less* government: less government centralization, less government one-size-fits-all regulation, less government spending, and less government distortion of critical markets. GO LOCAL.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Consider Gary Johnson of the Libertarians.

    • Lee

      Single payer is not necessarily centralization because the delivery of medical care is provided by community hospitals. 

  • Amerkin11

    This lady is a ploy to split the Democratic Vote in close election. She sounds like a democrate. Think about, in a close election any small chip away from the democrate is a big gain for the RNC. She know there is no chance of her winning. This is Low.

    • Zig

       It’s called freedom to contest elections. And democracy. Seems like you’re not a fan of either.

  • superfinehelios

    This army officer has no idea what he’s talking about.

  • Jay

    How would Dr. Stein deal with Congress? Sounds like the same promises Romney and Obama make – “Elect me, and I’ll change things!” But what we all now know is that reckoning with an obstructionist Congress makes it nearly impossible to make the promises reality.

  • Taylor Hutchison

    Caller Dustin makes some great points! Glad that was the first call.

  • Lee

    We don’t need to worry about other people killing us, we are killing ourselves slowly by what we are putting into our environment.

  • GMG

    I cannot listen to this self-justifying hogwash.  While I agree that Obama has done a lot of disappointing things, to say the Republicans are the same as the Democrats is a self-deceptiion at best, but really just a manipulative lie for the usual political reasons.  

    I don’t think anyone can credibly claim that, had Gore been in power from 2000 to 2008, we would be in the condition we’re in now.  The Iraq war certainly wouldn’t have happened, and 9/11 probably wouldn’t have happened either, because he would have listened to his counterterrorism advisor as Clinton had done.  And those are just the most obvious examples.

    Please, stay out of this election for the good of the country. We cannot take another yet another era of Republican kakistocracy.

    • Zig

       I’m amazed by the self-deception of Democrats that somehow they and their party are above war-mongering (or a desire for it) as opposed to Republicans, contrary to facts.

      1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act
      2. Wag-the-dog incident

      Unless you’re arguing that Clinton is not a Democrat.

    • Zig

      You might also want to look into the letter that Joe Lieberman wrote regarding attacking Iraq in 2001. At that time, he was still a Democrat. Imagine what he might have done if he had been the Veep and in the White House.

  • John in Amherst

    The Greens need to build a base from the bottom up.  The “2 party system” has become totally sclerotic, but they control enough of the perks of power and the media coverage that a third party, absent a significant base, has no chance. 
    I appreciate Jill Stein’s willingness to step up & speak truth to
    power with regard to Obama’s economic policies, unwillingness to
    confront the GOP, and ESPECIALLY with regard to environmental policy.  But I reject the assertion that there is NO difference between the GOP and the Democrats.  And I fear, like many others, that Stein will siphon off Obama votes, and deliver the victory to Romney.   

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       A party needs someone at the top of the ticket as well as through the lower rungs.  The problem here is that the debates will only permit the two corruptions.

      • RoyinVT

         Just what good has it done them to have someone only at the top of the ticket but nobody at the lower rungs? They have accomplished nothing in more than 25 years. How long do you have to pursue a losing strategy before you wise up and realize it ain’t working?

      • Sheri

        EXACTLY. We need to have Johnson and Stein in the debates. I always vote for the local Green candidate, but I think there must be a combination of local and national candidates in order for a third party to gain recognition.  The comments I am reading here are a big downer for me.  I keep hoping that we are finally ready to stop pretending that we are being offered a choice in these ridiculous presidential elections.  This is a forum in which intelligent debate typically takes place, but the majority of the comments here seem to be focusing on the non-issue of “spoiling” elections. Gore spoiled the election for himself; move on. Without a third party, I just wouldn’t vote at all for a presidential candidate.  

  • http://twitter.com/JarsonHarney Jarson Harney

    I’m completely in favor of most of the Green agenda, and love the idea of pressure on the government from the left, which is largely nonexistent. But we have to get past this “no difference” b.s. People hear that there’s “no difference” between Obama and Romney and tune out completely after that point, because they know it’s b.s.

    Would we have the tremendous progress that has been made on gay rights under a Republican president? Definitely not. The first and only budget this president got to pass was a really good one from a policy perspective. Compare that with the Ryan/Romney budget that would demolish all that was accomplished in the 20th century and move us towards a Somalia-style society. No difference, I guess, to you, Ms. Stein.

    If you want the respect of the left and center-left, please acknowledge that on important issues such as the economy, civil rights, voting rights and the judiciary (!), there is a vast difference in both vision and policy between the centrist Democrats and the far-right Republicans, who are the farthest-right party you can find almost anywhere on Earth at the moment. Then people might be more inclined to listen to you.

    • coqui

      i’ll admit to their differences if you admit to the dramatic rightward drift of both parties. the real problem is the corporate influence over both parties, with the 1% pulling the strings of both their pretty marionettes.

  • Robert

    I would vote for Jill Stein for POTUS, however, I’m worried about the “Nader Effect”.  & yes, I am very disappointed with President Obama’s broken promises. I knocked on doors for him and worked at the phone banks calling people all over the country. I even donated money to him.
    Unfortunately we are now up against some severely extreme crazies who will stop at nothing to get Willard elected and the “kenyan liberal muslim so-&-so” out of office.
    American democracy is beyond broken.

  • William

    Congress is doing anything but serious spending cuts. 

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Howard Dean is a medical doctor.

  • gene

    The Green Party is in love with itself and has no ability to hear what other people are saying. I resent Being told that I am acting out of habit or am “locked into” a way of thinking just because I don’t agree with the authoritarians of the left.

    Our system has suffered from the imbalances of too much money chasing too few votes for a long time. But the excesses of this cycle are based Republican-appointed extremists in the Supreme Court. Look at who voted for Citizens United before saying there is no difference between electing a Republican president and a Democratic president.

    I agree with the prior email that said Libertarians vs.Greens would be an “honest” election – but it’s not  the only possibility for an honest election – just the most extreme possibility.

    Finally – the greens may think Europeans political systems are more representative than ours – but I say there vastly multiparty systems as unstable and dangerous. The history of Europe is the history that led Hitler, Mussolini, and Lenin. It led to dozens of postwar governments in France, Italy and Greece. It lento the fall of the Spanish Republic and decades of dictatorship in Portugal and Spain.

    To paraphrase my favorite English-speaking: Ors is the worst political system in the world. Except all the others.

    BTW – Love the show.

  • mjb

    Our two party system no longer works.  We have a strongly divided nation and Washington has ground to a halt.  There is no compromise.  We need a viable alternative but big money and big business control politics.  It would be great if the Green Party could make in roads and make a difference.

  • willis117

    Really though, many commentors have pointed this out, Obama cannot make the changes he wants because of Congressional opposition, even as good as some of her ideas are, unless she became a dictator, Congress will not work with her as a president. I agree that is ridiculous, but then so is Congress.

  • Jennifer Jia

    You can’t have a successful national party if you don’t even try to win winnable local elections.

    Bernie Sanders didn’t start winning elections until he start running for Mayor and go from there.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    World War II got us out of the Depression.

  • TyroneJ

    The main issue with the Greens is that as every German knows, their track record in Europe is dismal.

  • Roger

    Dr. Stein,  There is much truth in your points.  You should keep saying much of it.  But nothing could be less “green” than electing Romney.  He hides behind laws crafted to allow huge wealth, hiding it overseas, and paying obscenely low taxes.  If you take votes away from him, your candidacy is well targeted.  If you aid his election, it is disastrous.  Your rhetoric has to primarily be to that end – getting votes for yourself that would otherwise go to Romney.  Stop attacking the easy target of a sitting president.  Start seriously exposing the immorality and catastrophe that Romney embodies. 

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Ah, how do we pay for this–excellent question.

  • Tom

    I’m an old lefty and certainly not completely happy with Obama, but . . . . politics is, always has been, and always will be about pragmatism and compromise. This lady does not seem to appreciate that concept, or even to understand it. She makes me feel embarrassed. 

    • Lee

      The beginnings of the Republican Party may have started out at pragmatism and compromise, but there was a point where we stopped compromising.

      The question is: are we at a moment where the conditions in the country are as dire as they were back then?

    • ana

      Me too, speaking as an old Lefty.

  • Eric Charles Detorres

    Obama said he was going to cut down on lobbyists and. Corporate dinners but it looks its gotten ten times worse. we should have nascar jackets for our politicians so we kno what team their on. I already like her

  • J__o__h__n

    None of this forum’s usual conservatives are criticizing her ideas.  Perhaps this is evidence that they see her as taking votes away from Obama and helping elect Romney. 

    • J__o__h__n

      Why isn’t Still Here still here?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      I don’t like her positions on foreign policy and on guns, and I have reservations about her ideas with regard to corporations.  My point today, though, is that I’m tired of the two major parties that sing each other’s tunes–slightly off key, but the same nevertheless.

  • Robert

    Please don’t run for POTUS. For the love of all that is holy. You will enable gains for the greater of two evils. A Romney presidency would be a disaster for what is already a nation in ICU. Please think of the bigger picture. 

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    O.K., don’t play her in a rock band.  We have enough singing politicians.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Not much worse than John Ashcroft. . .

      • Robert

         hahaha

  • John

    I agree with many points in the Green Party platform, but this inexperienced woman who speaks in platitudes and dodges questions is not exactly inspiring confidence at the moment.

  • Matt

    The green candidate sounds great but she herself admitted that it is the Republican congress is the bigger threat to life on earth, she did this when Tom asked her about congress thwarting the greening of the pentagon. We all know that republican anti government comes down to kill the EPA, CDC, OCEA, and attacks on organized labor. I agree with her policy proposals but her actual effect may just be to put Republicans in office and deepen the attacks on labor and the environment, deepen the very attack on our earth that she rails against.

  • Barbara

    With regard to a previous caller:  the reason to vote for someone who, at best, may be on only 90% presidential ballots:
    Real change has to start somewhere.  Count me in!

  • HeidiFox

    How many of you who want to send a message by voting for a third party candidate for President, send a message to your congressional representatives who are currently in positions of power?

    I admire Jill Stein’s positions, just as I have hope for President Obama.  No president can do it alone.  He did have a mandate in 2008, and as he said in his interview with Charlie Rose, he underestimated how much politics trump solving problems.  

    As others have posted, how will Jill Stein work with a polarized Congress.  She won’t be able to do it alone, either.

  • manganbr

    But even if we agreed with Green Party ideals, why should we vote for Stein in particular, who has no experience with governing, and could not even get elected to state level congress in Mass? Can’t the Green Party do better? Look at how the Democratic and Republican candidates position themselves for presidential runs. Perhaps Green party candidates can say that they’re outsiders, and they haven’t been contaminated by the “system.” Problem is, this strategy simply doesn’t work. 

  • Nicky-Macky Velly

    If the Green Party doesn’t hurt the Democrats disproportionately, why do Republicans aid their attempts to get on the ballot in as many states as possible?  (Please tell me that it is due to their acknowledgement of the need for divergent views in our politics—I need a good laugh.)

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       In many ways, I’m a Libertarian, but I support getting the Greens on the ballot, as well as other parties.

    • Navin_Johnson

       Both Republicans and Democrats worked together to try to keep Greens and Libertarians off the ballot in Illinois, that shows you how much they both love their lock on politics and special interest money.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    The only wasted vote is the vote that you make while holding your nose.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    There’s a difference between medical care and an i-Pod, no?

  • Maryrita

    Without re-arguing the question of whether Nader cost Gore the presidency in 2000, the absolute fact remains that if Gore had been elected, we would have gone forward rather than backwards in terms of climate change. This was entirely predictable based on the records of Gore and Bush. So when Nader claimed, repeatedly, that there was no difference between the 2 candidates, he was either lying or being unbelievably obtuse. We now have same question: Can Jill Stein honestly say that in terms of climate change, a 2nd Obama term would not be far better for the world than a Romney presidency? And let us not forget the Supreme Court and Bush’s appointments.

  • David in Lowell

    The Green Party, and Ms. Stein’s candidacy, are good and necessary for expressing where we want and need to go, but as for where we are now (which is somewhat depressing but realistic), we need to prevent Republicans from taking over as a priority, which means voting for Democrats. In our non-parliamentary democracy, progress is slow and incremental. I applaud Ms. Stein for her activism, but I implore voters to choose President Obama.

  • ED

    I would vote for her, with the exception that it would take my vote away from Barack Obama. The Tea Party and the religious right, Grover Norquist, the lobbyists, the military industrial complex, have got to be stopped. The president only is one branch of the legislative body, the green party would only cause more stagnation without being able to have members in the house and senate.

    • ilovedogs792

      I totally agree.  She should be running for the Senate or House instead of attempting to spoil the election, which is all she can accomplish.

      • J__o__h__n

        She has run for numerous lower offices and lost all but town meeting rep. 

    • Zig

       ED, unless you live in a swing state, your exception won’t apply. If you’re in MA, you can confidently vote for Stein without any fear.

  • Robert

     Hopefully Democrats can start pushing for that loony Ron Paul. He would do to the GOP vote what Dr. Stein would do to the Dem vote.

  • anne

    If we keep worrying about taking votes away from the big two parties we will never have a third party. If we never have a third party our politics will continue to be an either/ or scenario with no real conversation or change. 
    But, wow, she needs to take a breath/pause when she is speaking…it’s exhausting.

  • Robert

    Would Jill Stein pick Kucinich  or Bernie Sanders as running mate?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       She already has one–Cheri Honkala.

      • Robert

         never heard of her.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           It just takes a little looking.

  • wandahawkins

    Thank you, Dustin !  I agree with the Caller  “Dustin”  with the Military….I wish we could have heard more from him but I fear that he could have gotten in trouble for speaking his thoughts…is that correct ?  And the same for the Station?  I hope Jill Stein can debate !!!!  Good Job !

  • mike

    If the Green party is a real alternative, then where are the Green Senators and Representatives? Where are the State Senators and Assembly rep’s? Where are the Green county judges and sheriffs?

    As far as I or most Americans can tell, the Green Party exists on a ballot every four years, and focuses most of it’s efforts on top-down reform. Considering the prohibitive expenses of running for president, why doesn’t the party try working from the ground-up for real? Why not try a 50-state plan to actually put some Greens in state legislatures and Congress, rather than a big end-run around the system every four years?

    • coqui

      She answered this question really well on C-SPAN’s Washington Journal (http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Events/Green-Party-Nominates-Jill-Stein-for-President/10737432256-3), at least speaking for why she herself is putting energy into a national effort for the first time. And basically agreeing with you about the need to focus locally and build from the ground up.

      In my time with the Greens, I’ve found there to be a practical focus on local politics and a more philosophical focus on the need to challenge elections at all levels. Strategically I think that has diverted resources, time, and energy into races where we are less viable and thus less credible, and the Green Party has precious few resources to squander. There are certain moments, though, when the right campaign comes along to raise the bar for independent politics, for government of, by, and for the people, that will also help spur more effective bottom-up organizing. This is one of those moments and I’m thankful to have Jill’s thoughtful and vital voice in the current political discourse which is so reactionary, divisive, and distracting.

      There are a good number of local efforts where Greens ARE indeed building power from the ground up. The convention highlighted some of them. Check out Leland Pan at the 43 minute mark & Pam Hartwell-Herrero at 52 minutes to see a small glimpse of the future of the Green Party:
      http://www.livestream.com/greenpartyus/video?clipId=pla_a4d423bb-279b-4dd5-b14b-167809a0d89f&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb

      • Mike Card

        No, I’m not going digging after goofy answers on the internet–sorry.  If they want my interest, come to me–that’s how it’s done.  No Green Party person ever came to my door or stopped me on a street corner or sent me a letter.  It all sounds like a really elitist gang to me and I’m not buying another spoiler party like Ralph Nader or Ross Perot.  Show me something, then I’ll give you a hearing.

        • Isaak Berg

          Times have changed, Mike.  I for one, appreciate having someone personally address my objection with a carefully chosen hyperlink that I can review at my earliest convenience (and only hours after I raised it), than knock on my door, call me, or stop me on the street corner with some slick sensational presentation.

  • jimino

    Here’s how you “pay for it”:  You redeploy a large part of our military expense to do the work we need to have done.  Currently those personnel are accomplishing nothing of military importance, at great expense, while obtaining no marketable skills, and in the process incurring injuries (45% of current war vets are applying for military-related disability benefits) that will last for decades.  Plus they would be doing things such as infrastructure rebuilding that teaches skills useful in  our economy and would be with their families.  Even using soldiers to drive old folks to their Medicare-funded doctors appointments  would be a better use of tax dollars.

  • Larry McGory

    I’m for the Green Party, but please let us remember 2000.  The peas in a pod argument was put forward then also (by me for one).  Then we saw the candidacy of Ralph Nader swing the election to Bush in what turned out to be the great American catastrophe of recent times.  As it turns out, there probably would have been a big difference between a Bush presidency and a Gore presidency.  I’m guessing that if the same thing happens in 2012, we may feel similarly after suffering a Romney regime of anti-environment, anti-middle class, anti-poor.  In New York, I feel free to vote Green, but I would advise against it in a battleground state (until we actually put democratic election laws in place allowing for run-offs).

    • coqui

      The peas in a pod metaphor was offered by Ashbrook, not Stein. A better metaphor would be two different monoculture industrial agriculture crops. Romney’s corn, Obama is soy, our food (political) system is destructive of our health, our well-being, and the planet, and we desperately need (political) biodiversity if we are to survive the 21st century with a livable future. Both Romney and Obama and their respective corporate capitalist parties are stuck in — and will not ever get unstuck from — an old and dying paradigm of economic growth (narrowly defined) as the ultimate be all and end all.

      Stein and the Green Party represent a completely new paradigm, one that is ecological in nature, that understands the interconnectedness of species, that understands the horror stories of severe drought covered in the second half of the show in its proper perspective — that we have already entered a new geological age of self-inflicted uncertainty, the Anthropocene. The Green New Deal is an ecological response — meeting people’s basic needs so that we can restore community resilience and begin to allow the biosphere to start healing itself.

      While I don’t see Romney and Obama as two peas of the same pod, from the perspective of this new paradigm, and the viewpoint of a livable future, they are both hurtling us off the cliff at accelerating speed, and the thinking represented by their corporate-dominated parties needs to be left behind. In her acceptance speech she said that a vote for either of them is an endorsement of 4 more years of the same deadly trajectory, and I couldn’t agree more!

    • Morgen

      After 12 years, the myth of 2000 still surfaces. It’s not just you, I saw it recently in two different news sources that Ralph Nader’s votes gave the election to George Bush. FACT: 97,000 Florida voters voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. That part is true. But also true is that 300,000 registered Democrats voted for George Bush. That 300,000 is what helped to elect George Bush. The media so suppressed the facts that they too now think the myth is fact. Additionally, if Ralph Nader were not in the race, those 97,000 votes would not have gone to Gore. That’s another myth perpetuated by the Democratic Party. By election day, the Democratic Party had already syphoned away from Nader as many votes as they would ever be able to get.

      Many of those syphoned away later regretted it. The same unethical behavior from the Democratic Party that made for the Myth that Ralph Nader gave the election to Bush, tried to get Nader’s voters to abandon their votes for Nader. Remember Nader’s Traders? It was a Democratic Party tactic to get Nader’s voters to vote for Gore in swing or unsafe states, with the Democrat pledging to vote for Nader in safe states. What actually happened is that Nader voters kept their pledge while the Gore voters didn’t. Both tactics and the Myth that ensued are convoluted and led to bad results. Voters should throw out the myths and don’t game the vote. Use your vote for what you believe is best for you, your family, your friends, your co-workers and the country. Honesty is far simpler and results in far better things.

      It is the Supreme Court of the United States that threw the election to George Bush, not the popular vote. And most definitely not Ralph Nader and not the Green Party…

  • lodger

    Could Dr Stein comment on the 2010 MA ballot question on single payer healthcare that passed everywhere it appeared?

    Why was this not picked up in the media, and why was there no political followup?

    How does the Green Party plan to buck the trend we currently have of our elected officials ignoring clear popular support for certain issues?

  • Dave J

    If Jill doesn’t loose the “breathless” presentation, not many will take her seriously.  Too bad.

    • Tina

      It seems that other post-ers are also turned off by her voice and its role in her presentation.  Television has so many actors/actresses putting a hard edge on their voice:  it’s just acting, but people have come to associate it with True Honesty, with a Voice You Can Trust.  I sound more like Dr. Stein.  Over the years, I’ve realized that my friends take me seriously when I discuss Big Topics, but that strangers often dismiss me just because of the quality of my voice (they’ve sometimes said as much).  I even took a public speaking course to try to make my voice more “authoritative” than it is naturally, but to no avail.  I swear, there is a prejudice that some people have against soft, female voices, and with a preference for what we should sound like, and that prejudice rules supreme even over and above the actual ability to hear the content of what is being said.  I received a high grade in the college public speaking course, for the intelligence and expressiveness of my pieces; yet the professor’s comment was that I might still want to try to speak louder and less “breathlessly”.  I do try; yet I’m always surprised by how unsuccessful I am when I happen to hear my voice on a phone message.  My voice, and Dr. Stein’s voice, is a feature of who I am and where and with whom I grew up.  There is only so much I can do to change that without it being similar to the situation my mulatto grandmother went thru when she felt the need to present herself as someone of lighter skin, such that she urged me, too, to use skin-lightening cream.  Surely, our voices represent who we are physically and where we’ve come from socially, and surely, other people can get over a prejudice against soft female voices (in all their variety!) this seems to bring forth in them and listen to the content of the arguments being expressed!  Frankly, and perhaps narcissistically, I have no problems with Dr. Stein’s voice.  

  • J__o__h__n

    Shouldn’t a doctor know that the first thing to do in an emergency is to stop the bleeding?  Stopping Romney has got to be the highest priority for any progressive. 

  • Irene Moore

    I can’t see the logic in arguing that the “American People” are not ready to change from a ultra-consumerist mentality.  Here is a party made up of “American People” who are telling the tale.  And furthermore, the “American People” are becoming less and less able to be ultra-consumerist because they are being squeezed at all ends leading to lower and lower disposable income.  Material conditions give logic and rationality to such a movement – not an abstract ideology.  There is no question that the social and political debates need to take place, but to try to shut down the debate because of the big bad right wing monster is no way for democracy to operate.

    • Tina

      Several times a week I am astounded to hear from people who have so much to lose from a Republican majority, that they hate Obama because he is a Socialist.  These same people usually express a devoted love of Walmart while they are unwilling to see how the Walmart model has disrupted their community economies and their own families’ earning capacities.  That is part of what I see:  they see the consumer advantages over all other economic and life values, even when those other values are sliding downhill.  That slide downhill they blame on the Socialism of the President.

      • Tina

        I should have put the word “Socialist” in quotes both times that I used the term.  

  • JC

    Propaganda from the two major Parties suggests a vote for other than a Democrat or Republican is wasted.

    Since we know neither Romney nor Obama actually represents change — why not vote your real conscience and move on?

    • GMG

      Because Romney and another Republican executive branch would be worse for the country, that’s why.

  • Legalstu

    Jill

    I think I love you

    will you Marry me?

  • Lanersend40

    What attempt has the Green Party made to pull together other organizations, e.g., occupy wall st., to begin to forge an organization that would have a real chance of having a national political impact?

    • Navin_Johnson

       They are out petitioning and organizing at protests and marches. Where were you?

  • http://twitter.com/saabrian Brian

    Jill Stein will be the only progressive on the
    ballot in many states. Hers and the Green Party’s agendas are virtually
    identical to that of Occupy, the movement that so many Americans claim to
    support. She stands in stark contrast to the two corporate party candidates Obama
    and Romney who are working against Occupy’s agenda.

  • Iwsqui00

    I hear a lot of fear mongering…global warming….imminent economic collapse, how can she day that what the GOP and democrats are doing is wrong when she is using very similar tactics

    • coqui

      she’s being honest, and she’s offering solutions. THAT’s the difference.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Global climate change is reality, and we all should be very, very concerned.  Ignoring reality is the quickest way to disaster — and it is lieing to yourself.

      Neil

  • Robert

    Would a President Stein ensure that those executive crooks on Wall Street and at AIG, Halliburton etc finally do that long overdue perp walk? We are all still waiting.

  • Chris

    I like the enthusiasm from Dr. Stein.  As Jay said online here, no matter the President, Congress passes the laws.  Our 535 elected Representatives/Senators have made it a point to disagree on every point of progress in this country. 

    President Obama had tremendous vision and enthusiasm, but the Republican Party has made it a point to get him out of office rather than move this country through very difficult times.
     
    The Democrats are not without blame either, they spent much time during Bush 2′s presidency doing the same…and not working for our best interests.

    • ana

      Jill Stein has not much positive to say about President Obama.  This mindset from the far left started when he was in office for a mere  half term.  Let us not forget that the far left encouraged non voting in 2010 in order to send a message to the President, thus ushering the Tea Party to their seats.  The grasp of power by the House has done much to cripple the Obama Presidency. 
      The far left is as responsible for the current stagnation and inability to progress for the common good as any defiant Repub.  Jill Stein’s candidacy may very well put Romney in the WH, just as the far left enable the TP majority.   Her inability to see this speaks to her narcissism and self interest. 

      • Michele

         She is running for President.  Why should she be complimentary of either candidate?  Do you hear Obama and Romney complimenting each other?  I think not.  Moreover, how many far left members of Congress are there vs. their right wing counterparts?  They are heavily outnumbered and at this juncture outgunned.

      • Navin_Johnson

         Uh, Democrats like Obama, Clinton, Emanuel and so on pushing neoliberal “blue dog” policies and candidates is what led to them losing the majority.  You reap what you sow. They’ve long since abandoned all their former progressive backers.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Without the media, all the Super Pak’s would be toothless.  The media, no matter how impartial they try to be, depend on the support and financing from moneyed interests, if not specifically campaign ads.  So.  I’m not sure how we can get around that.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Anyone with an Internet connection and the willingness can learn plenty about the whole list of candidates.  Don’t let American voters get away with laziness.

  • thegreengrass

    I just hope everyone who really has a problem with corporate money in politics realizes that unless you threaten both major parties with the loss of your vote, this is never going to go away. Both parties benefit massively from Citizens United. If money’s the problem, voting Obama isn’t the answer.

    • J__o__h__n

      One party benefits far more from it than the other.  The Democrats are flawed but the Republicans are much much worse.  Throwing a vote away to make a statement is going to help Romney add more conservative justices and reduce any chance of overturning Citizens United for decades. 

      • thegreengrass

        If you really think Democrats are immune to favoring large campaign donators over than the people just because they’re Democrats, then that’s your prerogative. I, however, do not.

        • J__o__h__n

          What part of “the Democrats are flawed” led you to conclude that I think the Democrats are immune?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Tom Ashbrook:  You now need to interview Gary Johnson to get an independent voice on the right.

    • Hidan

      That would be interesting and hope Onpoint does.

    • Heaviest Cat

      Don’t worry Greg “public” radio is loaded with right wing voices.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.rose Kyle Rose

      Not sure how Johnson fits into the “right” you speak of. The right seems to be in favor of perpetual war, elimination of civil liberties, corporate welfare, massive government spending, and the imposition of a Taliban-style religious-based code of ethics on the private sphere. Libertarians are in favor of *none* of these things.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        That’s Republicans, not the right.

  • Spirit17of76

    Bravo for putting Jill on your show!!  

    She needs to be heard.

  • superfinehelios

    Boy…I thought the republican party was the only one that used scare tactics….

  • Ellen Dibble

    I keep asking why media won’t cover our elected officials’ activities more precisely.  Even if they had only One employer citizen, that boss would want to know, what is your position, where were you.  But these officials have millions of citizens they are answerable to.  Oh, yesterday you said you wanted the nuclear plant to come down, but last night you were trying to raise money from the owners and stockholders at such and such a cocktail party?  That sort of thing.  I have very vague ideas about where my man in Boston is right now, and where my men in DC are.  Who is talking to you.  What about your staff?  How is it I have so little grasp of this?

  • manganbr

    Rather than risking a Romney presidency, why not just push Green party candidates on a local level, and pull Obama to the left with a more liberal congress? People really believe that Romney and Obama have the same political principles and goals? Really? (really!?)

    • GMG

      Excellent idea. When we have a credible national green party, then it makes sense to advance a presidential candidate.  We need a national political context where a green or socialist candidate would be credible.  But now, they are just spoilers.  

      • Navin_Johnson

         The Green party isn’t “socialist”, don’t be an idiot.

    • Bill5

         I agree!!  As pointed out by many, this election is probably one of the most important in a long time. If the Republicans prevail, I believe there is virtually no chance any of the Green Party causes will materialize.  With all the problems in the Democratic Party, I believe there is some chance, particularly if the Green Party concentrates its resources and organization to pressure representatives on the various issues.
         The most important reforms needed are to reverse the disastrous effects of Citizens United and to clean-up campaign financing- how about only those who can vote in any given election can contribute up to a maximum amount in that election, including the candidates running?  Until progress is made on these reforms, the Green Party and other progressives would have a far better chance of influencing positive change with a Democratic government than an extremist Republican government.
         The Green Party message and ideals should be promulgated, but to actually achieve any of their objectives, Obama should be supported- and enthusiastically!

      • Navin_Johnson

         Lol, in another one of your posts you called yourself an “independent”….  just an Obama apologist.

        • Bill5

          I am a registered Independent, and like all Independents, will vote either Republican, Democrat or other (sueh as the Green Party) or not vote at all.  I used to be a Progressive Republican, but about 10 – 15 years ago, the “party rug” I was standing on was pulled out from under me, way to the right.  The party called “Republican” now should be called something else- it certainly is not the Republican (conservative) party of the last 50 or whatever years.  Many “old time” conservatives are complaining about this.

  • John

    A vote for Jill = a vote for Romney

    • Sheri

      A vote for Obama = a vote for Romney.  Makes more sense than what you just said.

      • Vasco DeGrabya

        Love it!

    • Bigleyjoshua

       people like you is why we will never see progress or humanity–you vote against yourself–so so so dumb–maybe if you said hey this time i will vote green, and so did jack and jill and susy–then green would actually win and we would see change we can be proud of–when the dems and repubs stand in opposition to a green president–the lies and bull will be so glaringly clear that people will rise and daniel shay will come back to life

      • GMG

        John is right.  A vote for greens is a vote for Romney.   I see no evidence to indicate that anything at all like what you describe would happen in our lifetimes.  In the meantime, your thinking is a gift to the Republicans.

        • Vasco DeGrabya

          So we have to accept a ever so slightly left of center milk-toast candidate?  What if American colonists said “We can’t possibly defeat Great Britain.  She is the greatest military power in the world”?

          • GMG

            What if American colonists had shot themselves in the face?  Your analogy makes no sense. Letting the Republicans win so you can be true to your convictions is harmful to the rest of us.

    • Vasco DeGrabya

      No, a vote for Jill is a vote for Jill.  Let people vote for whom they wish.

    • mmaaaxx

       To a libertarian-minded person:
      A vote for Jill = a vote for Obama!
      and sadly, Obama and Romney are roughly equal in many respects.

  • Alberto Carvajal

    Yes!! I am a very excited new-comer to the Green Party. I am tired of being disappointed and left feeling Democrats and Republicans cannot be trusted. I am definitely in full support of a third party. The Blue & Red parties have taken advantage of the US citizens for too long. The US citizens have to stop the passive/overly trusting voting or not voting tendencies. The citizens of the USA need to be taken care of and protected by the government, not taken advantage of and manipulated while Blue & Red politicians fill their bank accounts. We need to show the politicians the US citizens have the power and they will lose their jobs as our representatives if they do not fight for the good of the people and only think of monetary/political power gains.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Mitchell.Kelly.Vance Mitch Vance

    Sounds like Ashbrook hates Stein to meeee

  • bv

    Oh. my. god. Just when you think all the dimwitted and wierd have crawled out of the woodwork and embarrassed themselves and us with their small minds and big speeches full of cliches and hysterical statements, along comes Jill Stein. Why would an NPR show of the caliber of Tom Ashbrook’s On Point give free time to Mrs. Stein’s wordy without-substance babble? Does NPR and Mrs. Stein not know that so-called ordinary people meet and discuss national politics and situations every day with more intelligence, logic, sobriety, and selflessness than Stein can comprehend? I really like and respect Tom Ashbrook’s work, but it bothers me that On Point would waste time on this woman and her truly ridiculous trip onto the political stage.   

    • Tina

      I disagree.   I found her end of the conversation to be filled with concrete examples, devoid of cliches and cant.  Hysterical statements?  Were we listening to the same show?  Sorry, but your comment feels like a Trojan Horse to me!  

    • Bigleyjoshua

       i think you must be tarded

    • Heaviest Cat

      I don’t understand your assesmment of Ms Stein, by. Do you feel threatened by her nderstanding and deep appreciation ofr what democracy is supposed to be?

      • ana

        She has no idea of how the government works.
        Would she just take office and dictate what she wants?  I agree with most of her platform, but there are others who legitimately do not which would require compromise.
        As President she is leader of all the people.
        The Constitution is designed to prevent dictatorsheip.

  • Maryrita

    Thanks to Tom for asking Jill Stein if she would be OK with a Romney presidency brought about by Dems defecting to the Greens. Her response was impassioned but did not answer the question. A follow-up would have been helpful–although it seems she’s determined not to engage on that ground.

    • Bigleyjoshua

       i resent tom asking such a question–it is meant to discourage people from voting third party or green, and it is belittling–it reminds me that NPR is really just a stooge for the fascist powers that be.  If more people voted green or third party, of more people voted with their conscience rather than skepticism and conditioned minds, the dem-repub thugs would be banished to the  underworld forever where they belong.  Tom perpetuates this myth playing on fears deliberately to discourage seditious thinking-which is to actually vote for the interests of the people and America.  They don’t want that. 

      The question to the voters is–do you want to continue being stooges for the rich elite fascist class or do you want democracy and a better America–overthrow the reign of the federalists–the anti-democratic buffoons in office–red and blue.  200plus years of corporate rule is long enough!  The founding fathers did not design this country with democracy in mind–they were dead set against it and institutionalized a corporate-aristocracy–to question it is sedition. 

      Vote green president.  Vote green congress and fight for a strong America.  Look around, look at our cities we are a third world with third-rate infrastructure.  The elite are international, not American and have no American interests–only greed, power, and more power.  Crush them.  Resist, rebel, revolt, stand up and vote dem and repugnant-thug down, down, down.

  • Al Sten-Clanton

    Greetings!

    I’m very glad you had Jill Stein on today.  I may vote for her. 

    I hope fervently that you’ll have Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson on soon.  You may think it strange, but I’m considering voting for him, too:  in some ways the Greens have more on the ball than most self-styled libertarians these days, but in others it’s the reverse.  More important for my present purpose, though, having Johnson on will do for that part of the political spectrum of voices what having Jull on did for the Green perspective.

    Thanks!

    • Vasco DeGrabya

      Libertarians are a little too much like anarchists for my taste.

    • mmaaaxx

       YES, please Tom, get Gary Johnson on here! He is an environmentalist, but not a big-government envirototalitarianist. Liberty (in the classic sense), is just as important as keeping our environment in order.

  • Royceterous

    I may be naive but I believe that Obama had the same objectives when he ran for president.  He confronted a “system” that would not allow him to implement those ideals.  What makes Jill think the same will not be her fate?

    • Heaviest Cat

      she is not beholden to corproate financial support unlike Obama.

      • Trouble

        Ok so she’s not.  Now what?  Where is her political clout and where are her power players?  Kind of like going to the Super Bowl without a team and then expecting to get touchdowns on your own.  Unreal!  At least Obama had an appreciation for machiavelli and Sun Tzu. 

  • margarita assael

    We should be free to live as we want—with lots of stuff or minimal–I don’t endorse a candidate who tells me how to live–I am retired and have saved to buy stocks so I can get back a dividend and add to my savings—seems that success is a bad thing—-how about opening the Pipeline and getting rid of —regulations that bog down small businesses—capitalism is good and if someone wants to make a lot of money—-what is wrong with that????  What happened to this land of opportunity???

    • Heaviest Cat

      THe problem margarita is that the few who make alot of money usually kick the ladder away so the rest of us can’t get “up there”.Most people do not have the opportunity to “make alot of money” and tose who do usually make it at the expense of the rest of us. Concentrated wealth translates into concentrated power which violates all tenets of democracy.

    • Vasco DeGrabya

      Nothing at all, once everyone else has food, shelter and medicine.  Any other result is barbarity.

  • Cynthia Sowers

    You got my vote!

  • Price

    If the Republican Party has stonewalled President Obama at every turn as we have witnessed, how could Dr. Stein expect to have support from 2 parties?

    • RolloMartins

      You’re missing the essential point. Even if Dr. Stein received “only” 20% of the vote she would tilt the Dem’s to the right, and the GOP to the left. She would force them to discuss what a large segment of the population demands. And my goodness, what would happen with a larger slice of the pie? Cf. Thomas Friedman’s take on the need for a third party.

      • Mike Card

        There you go; what a terrific idea.  Vote for Stein, who has zero experience running anything beyond a medical office.  With the votes drained off the Obama side, you’ll concede the office to Romney, who will scalp your sorry ass bare.  Happy now? 

        • Navin_Johnson

           She lacks Obama’s experience at caving to Republicans and sucking up to the interests of the business elite.

        • RolloMartins

          And Romney will be different how? Not a jot nor a tittle. Vote change or vote Obama…or Romney.

  • Vasco DeGrabya

    I’ll never get the America I want if I keep voting for candidates I don’t.  I’ve given in to the logic of only voting for candidates that can win for the first 23 years of my voting life.  I’m trying to find the courage to take my lumps now in exchange for a better someday.

  • Jennifer Linden

    I encourage my progressive friends to vote for Jill, the only hope for change.

    • Pdstockamore

       Bet you voted for hope & change before…..

  • P.D Stockamore

    To All Who May Read This…
         Forget about the sides…Obama vs Romney…vs the Green Party
         I appreciate Jill Stein’s devotion to her beliefs, however, her ideas are far too simplistic for the office she desires. As President of the U.S. she must deal with much more than “green issues” and her “New” New Deal. Has she come up with a solid  plan if implementation for any of her proposals or is it just rhetoric for the media?
         I would love to be a fly on the wall as Dr. Stein had “green” tea with Margaret Thatcher (in her prime), and Benazir Bhutto (if she were alive); if only to hear what Dr. Stein might talk about as President of the United States. What would be discussed between them? Would the others care about her “New” New Deal or “going green” in the U.S.? or would they expect more from the POTUS?
         Those who support her (at least ones I heard on the NPR broadcast), have no grasp of the complexity of what the U.S. Presidency actually entails.
          Dr. Stein’s policies seem naive with regard to the office, it’s position, and that of the U.S. in relation to the rest of the world.
         Any intelligent person realizes the clock can not be turned back to mid 20th C isolationism or perhaps she believes it can. As POTUS, how would she address the current issue of Syria and other countries in conflict?  If possibly faced with a threat from N. Korea or others, as President, what would she do?
         Her idealism and energies would better serve our country at the local & state levels; get candidates elected there. This might be attainable and more effective. Once done, move to a national level.
    As always…On Point…brings a discussion

    • Morgen

      In response to your statement that Dr. Stein’s responses are too simplistic, there are other presidents who have been elected on far less. According to Paul Krugman recently, FDR had no plan before he won office. The only plan Obama had in his campaign was *hope.* It was well documented that during his campaign Obama provided no substance. What Dr. Stein provides is extreme substance in comparison.

  • Elizabella9

    Jill Stein is “speaking truth to power”.  She is refreshingly honest and good at articulating and debating points with facts.  Although I am still cautious about voting for a Green party candidate in this election (and I am a registered green), I have decided to act on my conscience and work for Jill Stein’s campaign. I may end up voting for Obama in the long run but I want to see what
    happens if I work toward my ideals and work on the Jill Stein campaign. At the very least, perhaps her campaign will bring enough momentum to force the Obama and Romney campaigns to address the issues of poverty in the US as well as the climate crisis we are in. 

  • Shirley Kressel

    Thank you, Tom, for giving Dr. Stein this opportunity to talk to us! And thank you, Jill, for running for national office, so we can have a real choice in the voting booth.

    As a recovering Democrat, betrayed and sold out by blue-colored corporate puppets for many years (Obama continues the legacy of Clinton’s NAFTA, Glass-Steagal repeal, and welfare “reform”), I am grateful for a chance to use my vote for the most important purpose: not to further empower the (only slightly) lesser of two evils to continue his betrayal (and who knows what he’ll do when he doesn’t have to worry about those pesky progressives any more), but to show what kind of future I really want for this country: environmentally sustainable, socially humane, economically just.  If we don’t use this chance you’re giving us to express our wishes, we deserve what we get.

    If everyone voted their true conscience, instead of playing strategic games according to the rules set by our corporately-bought Republicrat oligocracy, then we’d get the honest and public-serving government we need to achieve all our urgent needs: peace, universal health care, worthwhile green jobs, excellent and equitable education, fair taxation, livable wages and an end to poverty, environmental protections, social justice rather than mass incarceration, an end to the drug wars, and all the other sensible and beneficial goals promoted by the Green Party.  This seems so obvious, yet we continue to destroy ourselves with a self-imposed political prison.   

    If we don’t stand up and vote for these things now, when we have a candidate who would fight for us, who knows when we will get another chance.  It’s not easy being Green.

    Let’s stop scaring each other with the “spoiler” bogeyman, that keeps us bouncing back and forth helplessly between two destructive political camps, and focus on the real problem: the betrayal and deception of the American people by the corporately controlled Republicrats.

    Don’t just look at the Bush “election” (stolen, not won) and don’t keep fighting the last war (with Nader as the enemy). 

    Look instead at the long arc of history. Where have we gotten with these two parties?  Where are they taking us, even when the “good guys” win? 

    When will be a good time to stop this bi-partisan journey to the right, to a mean and brutish country of serfs and robber barons, with women and blacks and gays and immigrants and the poor and elderly back in their proper place (hey, there’s lots of room at the bottom!)? 

    Who will be a good enough third-party candidate for you to allow him/her to save you?  Was Obama experienced and worldly?  He got a big free pass, including a Nobel Peace Prize, on the basis of nothing, and used it to accomplish a little good and a lot of bad.

    When will the race be so one-sided that you will dare to vote your conscience — because it won’t matter? 

    Bottom line: If we don’t vote for what we want, we will never get it.  And if we keep voting for the same kinds of candidates, we will get the same outcomes. Can we afford that?

    • J__o__h__n

      “Look instead at the long arc of history. Where have we gotten with these two parties?”  — FDR alone proves this false.  And the spolier threat is real. 

    • Zing

       Bush won twice according to the New York Times

      • coqui

        Actually, according to the NYT, “the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than
        those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr.
        Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount
        of all the rejected ballots.” ( http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html )

        Of course, that doesn’t include all those disenfranchised voters who were unfairly and intentionally purged from the voter rolls by the co-chair of the Bush campaign in Florida, who just happened to oversee the Florida election. And it doesn’t reflect the full impact of insanely designed ballots that led to many thousands of invalid votes.

    • coqui

      Shirley Kressel for State Representative!

      Beautifully put, bravo!

    • Trouble

      Please – where have these two parties gotten us??!  you need to re-read your US history and pay special attention to the sections discussing women’s rights, black civil rights etc.  Anyone equating these two parties especially after the latest attacks against Planned parenthood, choice etc., is not paying attention and will help make things so much worse (esp in the areas of healthcare, voter suppression, infrastructure development etc.) by voting green instead of for Obama.  And what would Jill Stein do to keep the US and its citizens safe? The world is not a safe place and being nice and environmentally sensitive does not mean anything to people who kill and maim as a religious prescription. Lots of hot air and green ideas but not someone I would ever trust to protect my family or this country. Just think of Daniel Pearlman and others who continue to be targeted by those who hate, even when those they target want to help them!  Green ideas are great but they need money and power behind them to get off the ground (not all corporate money is bad).  Jill Stein is fooling herself big time if she thinks she is doing anything but taking votes away from the President this fall. And I did hear a big part of this interview.  Jill Stein is articulate and passionate about her ideas but couldn’t give the President credit for huge success like his ACA, Osama Bin Laden, credit card reform, Letty Leddbeter, ending one of the wars (and making sure its true cost appeared on the budget), and just plain persevering against an entire party openly dedicated to his complete defeat and constant racist put downs.  I don’t think she deserves to be taken seriously if she can’t appreciate how truly difficult Obama’s presidency has been so far.

  • Brett

    I haven’t had time to listen to the show. I will give it a shot.

    I don’t necessarily find fault with idealistic candidates who are not beholden to moneyed interests on the grand scale that is necessary to become president; I find them refreshing on a certain level. I am not even perturbed by the premise that our system needs to be shaken up and shaken down completely for there to be real and sustained change. What I do find implausible, and akin to a bill of goods, as it were, is any person who truly believes he/she will be such an agent of change as to be the one to tear down the system and rebuild it in a much more enlightened way.

    I believe such folks are invaluable to our system (e.g., Ralph Nader); I just don’t think putting up a presidential candidate to compete with the two from the major parties does much more than spoil national elections. I would rather see such people make inroads on another level until their power/the power of what (or whom) they represent can be more formidable.

    I’m waiting for one of my music students to show up; I guess I’ll spend the time looking into this Ms. Stein, as I really don’t know much about her. 

  • guest

    Sorry Tom, I could not listen to the full segment.  I am lways open to an alternative to the status quo…  But Dr. Stein’s rhetoric is not an alternative…  the first few minutes of this segment proved that she is just another politician pandering to the naive and the histrionic.

    • Harrison Wills

      “guest”, that is not accurate at all. She is an authentic progressive activist and has supported social justice movements for decades!

      I was one of the students in California who was pepper sprayed and thrown on the ground by campus police at the Santa Monica College (SMC) student protest against the two-tier education system. When the mainstream media gave students terrible coverage and literally blamed students. 

      Jill Stein came out and wrote up a dynamic letter of solidarity and support to the students of SMC and sent out a statement of support for the STUDENTS. I work at Open Secrets in D.C. and I literally research and review the influence of money in politics all day long. Go to open secrets. org and search her name. You will not find a single corporate donor, nor a PAC or super PAC or any million dollar corporate bundles. in fact, she is one of the only candidates who qualified for public financing in over 20 states, look this up. I am not here to spread rhetoric and emotional appeal or offer catch phrases and slogans, I deal in facts, science and reason. Here is the actual letter of support she sent out nationwide. http://www.jillstein.org/stein_supports_santa_monica_students”

  • Johanna Bos

    Heard only part of the interview. Fantastic.  I have found my candidate.

  • freedomnow

    I just came out of a coma and heard your show…it’s still 1967, right?….and Rolling Stone is going to change the world with music…right?…is my draft deferment still good…?

    • RolloMartins

      Look in the mirror. That’s the problem.

  • Logan

    Can you imagine going to an icecream store with only two flavors?  Or a car dealership with only two models.  We used to jab the USSR for their lack of consumer choice and their mile long lines for a single brand of toiletpaper.  Yet here we are with a two party system and no legal option for a real democracy. 

    Change the broken system.  Two-parties-only is recipe for stagnation, corruption, and failure.

    • smartpotato

       Instruction manual, please.

  • http://twitter.com/aloysiusokon Aloysius Okon

    What would Jill Stein do with Obama’s clean jobs program? How would she handle potential Solyndra-esque situations with funded green energy companies? 

  • Panspective

    Third parties love the Presidential contest since it’s the most “bang for the buck”. Unfortunately it has the most at stake.  Green party go win 20 congressional seats in swing districts then get in front of the cameras and steer the debate in Washington.
    Side note… running a candidate has already lost to Mitt Romney seems like an odd choice.

  • mmaaaxx

    I just wish green party would not have to be such a “big government” party and tie environmentalism with massive redistribution…I prefer the environmentalist libertarian end of the spectrum, which sadly does not have a party (although Gary Johnson is a good start!)

  • Bart

    Tom sounds overly “incredulous” that this Obama Campaign snippet is NOTHING more than empty Rhetoric. Saying that some is so : “a fundamentally different vision” , don’t make it so.

  • Observer

    Jill Stein can jump in the Lake today….

    Where has Jill Stein’s Voice for the Green Party’s voice or 
    the Libertarian Party been opposing the GOP and calling 
    Obama into account for the last four years? 

    Where has her own activism been? That’s the real question
    there? Now, she wants to split the vote like Ralph Nader did 
    in 200o and we could get worse governance….

    She hasn’t earned my vote today….

    • Mike Card

      I agree.  What a silly, incoherent person.  I would run for my life if I ever happened to encounter her in a doctor’s office.

    • smartpotato

       I agree… rambled on and on and on. Some of her points are valid, but nothing new to see here.

    • Navin_Johnson

      Nice trolling.

  • Rangu

    Stein offers nothing novel and everything horrible.  It’s clear that she does not know how to play the game.

  • Bradnelson218

    I want the choice. That’s right Dems, my vote is not a lock. EARN IT. Nader said it: both major parties feed from the same corporate trough so both major parties have similar outcomes. I gave Obama a chance to work from within the system, but he crushed my hope. Go Jill!!! You did excellent on the show and have my vote. Thanks for running!

  • Observer

    Where was Gill Stein voice supporting Ron Paul against the 
    extremists in the GOP for the last year? Or indeed, her voice
    when Ralph Nadar and Bruce fein appeared at Harvard Law 
    School in january of this year? In each of those situations 
    and multi[ple others…Jil Stein’s voice has been missing….

    Now, she can jump in the lake…she has not earned my vote. 

    Ralph Nadar and Bruce Fein at Harvard Law School this year 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8kla2T0NQQ

  • http://www.NineShift.com/ NineShift

    Great show. Why I listen to OnPoint.

    My only objection was when Mr. Ashbrook suggested Americans not vote their conscience. That was like suggesting Americans not vote at all. It was an un-journalistic question that should not have been asked.

  • Will from Amityville

    Tom!  Don’t you get into that Spoiler bullshit.

    Gore should have dropped out and endorsed Nader in 2000!

  • Will from Amityville

    Bush should have dropped out and endorsed perot!

    Davis should have dropped out and endorsed La Follette!!!

  • mikey

    I should be a Green Party supporter. I agree with her about the Wall Street stuff. The anti-business ideas are what always bothered me about the Green party. Business built America’s prosperity and some businesses (finance) currently is the problem. I think a more accurate description of the problem in America is not business as much as it is crime. Most of what Wall Street does and what Conservatives so quickly excuse would be considered crime in most cultures. Front running, off book accounting, rehypothecation, quantitative easing, SIVs, CDOs and CDSs could be very accurately described as criminal and deceptive. Modern finance competes on misrepresentation, kick backs, insider information and hidden fees. A proper functioning financial sector that loans money would be a great idea. A sensible reform of Wall Street and the environment sounds great but most Green Party ideas seem to be old style socialism and not very innovative. I think Elizabeth Warren is better.

  • Will from Amityville

    A Republocrat vote is a wasted vote!

  • William D. Stevenson

    You must be willing to engage in what the vast majority of society is a transgressive vote if you want to make a change.  You have to act on what you believe in.  You have to actually vote for the Greens.  You have to be willing to lose and lose and lose across decades if it means a chance to express your views.  You should never let anyone tell you what you’re doing is wrong in voting for the Greens.  We live in what could be the greatest nation in the world.  It’s unfortunate that the goverment is set up in such a manner whereby political dissent is stifled and we are lulled into a complacent stupor.  I have to believe Americans can still stand up for their beliefs.  I have to believe we want a world where we have fair wages, clean water, healthy food, and a protected environment.  People who actually vote for Ms. Stein this year will be the true heros of the 2012 election, the people who say we have to stand for what we believe in. Go We Go!

    • Will from Amityville

      “what TO the the vast majority of society is a transgressive vote”

    • smartpotato

      The election has been “set up in such a matter” for eons; this is nothing new, and no Perots, Naders, or Steins are going to change this.

      It will take the people, not the vote.

      Meanwhile– while all intentions are noble–a vote for the “Green Party” is at the expense of the lower – middle class.

  • Justin Hurlburt

    I like everything that I am hearing but how can a
    President overcome the obstructionism that our current President faces? 
    Thank You.
    Justin Hurlburt
    Carrabasett Valley Maine

  • Jeddill

    This election cycle has to be the most point less in history. Neither party brings anything new and we are doomed for more of what we have been made to swallow the past decade. Our political climate is polorized and disfunctional, unable to work for the future of the country and correct the real issues that face our future.  Jill brings the type of thinking we need to embrace IF we are to turn around the direction this country is going. You will have my support.  

  • Ethan

    I don’t think the speaker is truly considering the ramifications of her campaign. As small or significant it may be her party will undoubtedly draw votes from Obama.
    Secondly the productivity of her party is going to be overwhelmingly be limited by congress and the senate.

    • Gene

      If drawing votes from Obama is your concern, then I guess Obama better work hard to draw votes from Jill Stein.

  • CPP

    Why doesn’t Dr. Stein try to win some local race so she can show some kind of record that she as a politician can keep her promises and not be corrupted before running for president

    • J__o__h__n

      She won town meeting rep.  She lost the other races she entered. 

    • Gene

      You worry about Jill Stein when it comes to keeping promises and corruption? Who do you think has been running the country for decades? It ain’t been Mary Poppins.

    • Navin_Johnson

      Like the way Obama has kept his promises…….

  • Stevedawg

    Thought I wouldn’t agree with anything from her but she makes some good points on some things, especially the lobbying. 

  • AlachuaGreen

    Thanks for airing this program! Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala will NOT be taking votes from Obama or Romney, they will be winning votes from citizens who rightfully view both Obama and Romney as representatives of the Wall Street banksters and war profiteers, and who HAVE NOBODY TO VOTE FOR. Rather than sitting out the election, we will vote for Stein & Honkala. If you want “more of the same” then vote for Obama (or Romney) but if you are sick of being screwed and lied to by both corrupt parties, break your chains and VOTE FOR REAL CHANGE.  http://www.jillstein.org

    • Jennifer Linden

      Exactly, so many people throw up their hands and don’t vote; here’s their chance.

  • Fredmeshna

    I remember several of my friends voting for Ralph Nader in 2000 saying that there is no real difference between Gore and Bush.  Bush won that election by 500 votes.  Does anyone really believe that we would have gone into Iraq under Gore??
    Obama did bring in the bankers for advice, but now big banks do not support Obama, cause they know that his second term will be much different than his first.  Those who think that Jill Stein as president will somehow circumvent the Republican Juggernaut  and turn things around faster than Obama is doing may not be aware that the system has a huge amount of inertia and momentum like a runaway train.  It can not be changed overnight without causing massive suffering.  The only thing that Stein’s candidacy will enhance is her name recognition and her ego.  She will be the center of attention at cocktail parties, but she has no chance of implementing the policies she espouses. 

    • smartpotato

      Thank you for pointing out the obvious “voting math” at this juncture. A third party system will NOT be in place before the next election; thus, any vote for anyone OTHER than Obama or Mitt = a vote toward “the majority.”

      Simply, it’s still a 2-party system, so vote for what you think is the “lesser of 2 evils.”

      Personally, I’m voting for who will fight harder to save the middle class.

    • orbit7er

       First off the massive suffering is already here – we have record numbers of formerly middle class suburbanites getting food stamps to survive and tent cities for the long term unemployed.  We are suffering another major heat wave as the Midwest is being scorched by drought.
      Drones are assassinating people around the planet at Obama’s usurpation of the role of judge, jury and executioner.
      I voted for Nader in 2000 and I do not regret my vote.
      Corporatist Democrats lose elections when they support Wars, Corporate interests and fatcat contributors over the 99% and people just do not bother to vote.  The Republicans know this and that is why they are enacting voter suppression strategies in every State they can.
      Lets face facts here – Obama sent 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, failed to close Guantanamo, appointed the same banksters who caused the financial crash and have received more trillions from the Fed, has provided private insurers with $70 billion in mandated health insurance instead of Medicare for all, renewed the Bush tax cuts.
      On Education Obama is carrying water for the HedgeFund capitalists out to cannibalize our public education system and its public dollars for their private profits.  When they are done as with the companies laid waste by vulture capitalists, our public schools will be a hulking mess which will require public bailouts.  The planet is broiling and we have record heat waves and disastrous storms yet Obama dares not mention the reality of Climate Change. The economy is stuck and will continue to be stuck until we deal with Peak Oil and the Limits to Growth – that endless material growth is not possible and we are running out of nonrenewable resources. If we do not follow the path mapped out by the German Greens which is leading them to 3% growth with 5% less energy usage and 3% greenhouse emissions we are doomed to decay and decline.
      At what point do we say “ENOUGH!”

    • Navin_Johnson

      Funny, you’d have thought that Democrats would have learned their lesson from that and tried to return to the more progressive principals of their base. They did not.

    • jefe68

      Well Bush did not really win the 2000 election.
      It was decided by the Supreme court.
      If the Florida votes had been counted the way the law suite was ascertaining it should be, he would have won.
      Gore had the popular vote over Bush.

      That’s history and one can’t speculate what a President Gore might have done after 9/11 if that happened on his watch. As to Jill Stein, well she did very poorly in the Massachusetts governor’s race in 2010. Barely even getting 2% of the vote. Nadar also ran in 2008 and had no effect whatsoever on the election.

      Jill Stein has to get on ballets to be in the race. I doubt she will even get close to getting on the ballets of half the states in the US by the time of the general election.

    • Allan Brison

      Gore would have deffinitely used 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq. Look at his record. He was a Hawk in the first Iraq war, and was the main inpetus behind the Kosovo adventure, when he was VEEP. Gore has always been a consistant hawk while mouthing his environmental stuff.

      A good book to read to understand the Gore mentality is AL GORE: A USER’S MANUAL by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St.Clair.

      Don’t rely on Obama’s being better the 2nd time around. It is campaign time and his campaign is hoping you will think that. But my guess is that it will be the same as last time. Nice promises but no follow through.

      Rarely does a Dem match in office his campaign rhetoric.

      For example, Clinton had lot of warm fuzzys in talk but this is the man who
      1. rammed NAFFTA through with tireless phone calls and all kinds of pork
      2. got the repeal of Glass Steagal act passed
      3. ended welfare as we knew it
      4. signed tough on crime legislation that resulted in the DOUBLING of the federal prison population, making the US the country with the highest per capita prison population in the world.
      5. proscuted the Kosovo war to dismember what remained of Yugoslavia

      This is a far right-wing agenda, which few Republican adminstrations could match. And Gore was right in the middle of it all.

      Obama has broaded the Wars — there are 2 times the number of troops in Afghanistan today as when George W left office. He continued the obscene bailouts and has refused to direct his Justice Department to investigate Wall Street crimes. Obama IS Mr. Wall Street. And they know it.

  • Harrison Wills

    The Green Party is laying the groundwork for systemic change by refusing to accept corporate financing for any Green Party candidate for public office. The Green Party is not just a voting block, we are an inclusive, progressive activist party made up of community organizers, educators, public interest attorneys, investigative journalist, leaders in the non-profit community, teamsters and union leaders, envrironmental scientist, activist students, etc.

    The Green Party has many progressive positions, for example helping every human being to reach their fullest potential through universal pubic education (including university level). Universal public higher education is an excellent way to better serve society in a fair, equitable, just and sustainable way. How can we solve climate change? If we have an uneducated, uninformed populace which isn’t even aware that according to 99% of scientist exists.

    We don’t just show up and vote Green. We vote green and then go straight back to our local community and organize to democratize our schools, institutions, the internet, the media, public offices. etc. etc.

    The Greens are occupying everywhere. You might find us occupying a local school board meeting, a label or ban GMO gathering, an anti-fracking rally, the Bradley Manning court room, blowing the whistle on local corruption, participating in the Occupy movement, leading student protests against privatization and two-tier education, organizing to improve local public transportation and bicycle infrastructure, working at a co-operative or your local farmers market, volunteering at our local public libraries, or climbing trees to prevent them from being destroyed by corporate interest, we occupy the political discourse (we refuse to allow the debate to be controlled by two corporate parties), we organize blogs, do investigations, disseminate information, we believe that living a life committed to fairness, democracy and peace is to lead a fulfilling life.

    We understand the government is corrupt, so we occupy and expose it. And we don’t just complain, we build up solutions and run truly progressive public financed candidates.

    We understand that the mainstream media is corrupt, so we occupy and expose it. Again, we don’t just sit around and complain, we lift up what works (Democracy Now, Reader Supported News, etc.) and we build up our own independent, public interest oriented blogs, live stream and media. You won’t find a public interest journalist covering the Iraq war being housed with the U.S military and being funded fully by individuals. We are politically awake.

    We also understand the two-party corporate duopoloy voting system is broken. It’s both undemocratic and corporate controlled. So we built up a platform based around public financing, proportional representation and instant runoff voting.

    We understand that human health and a safe, clean and protected environment are basic human rights. So we advocate for universal health care and providing rights to nature by law. You do not have
    a right to destroy the planet and the health of human beings. That is not a right! We understand that by protecting human health and the entire eco-system, we as a people would be more free, not less free.

    So, when the Democrats defend the status quo and blame Greens for taking votes away from the Democrats, I beg of you to send them this as they have forgotten key principles if they believe in a more genuine democracy that provides people in a country of more than 300 million people with more than 2 choices, both of whom are funded mostly by the same trans-national corporations and both of whom support the U.S. wars and foreign occupations.

    1) My vote is not owned by anyone, it must be earned. So to insinuate that the Democrats already have my vote is both undemocratic and regressive in terms of political thought and progress. 2) The Greens are not a spoiler party for the Democrats, you cannot spoil something that is already spoiled. If you want to change something that’s broken, stop supporting it. Voting Green is an investment in a better system and a fair, just democracy.

    I have continued to advocate to live and vote based upon principled reason, logic and science and not out of fear. The politics of fear, matched with a low level of expectations has reduced justice in this country to food stamps and slightly lower interest rates. The Democrats and Republicans understand the threat the Green Party is to their establishments and we are not even allowed to participate in the debate. And nowhere in the entire U.S. constitution does it say anything about who should be included or excluded from political debates. Again, this is another example of an undemocratic broken system. We would be asking very honest, controversial and tough questions and believe in addressing root causes of problems. That’s what Greens are about, Fearless honesty in order to have genuine debate to really solve the cause of the economic, social and environmental problems.

    I have always understood by studying history that alternative thinking fringe groups are key forces behind social movements. By studying history and examining the percentages of total populations who participated in the initial states of movements such as the American Revolution, Martin Luther King, the Women’s movement, etc. we can begin to understand the world famous quote once written by Margaret Mead “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has”. Her clear, concise and powerful quote is based upon real historical facts and statistics, not social theory.

    And social movements have always changed society. And that’s exactly what the Green Party is building. So now is the time where we call onto those who are listening, occupy your heart and mind because all human beings deserve a more fair, equitable and just democracy. And not just for you and me, but for the children of tomorrow.

  • DaveC

    It is often commented that voting for third party candidates can be viewed as “throwing away” one’s vote. However, that does not have to be the case. Suppose that the elections were changed such that one could vote for as many candidates as they wanted, but only a maximum of one vote per candidate. Thus, one could vote for the third party candidate whom they really want, and also vote for the mainstrean candidate whom they think will have to get elected.

    Such a system assures that the most hated candidate does not get elected because a third party candidate splits the vote. It also removes an disincentive one might have for voting for a third party candidate as they are not “throwing away” their vote, and it does not give an advantage to irrelevant candidates whom no one knows. If such a system were in place in 200, then Al Gore would have probably clearly one, as many Ralph Nader supporters would have probably voted for both Gore and Nader, but not Bush. Such a voting system probably would have also given Nader many more votes and changed the split election with Roos Perot years before.

    • smartpotato

       I would agree, but good luck getting her to be a contender, without the money.

  • GregP

    While I agree with most of what Dr. Stein stands for….I agree with Fredmeshna.  Dr. Stein appears very well intentioned but naive and egotistical.   The only votes that will be captured by Dr. Stein will be votes for O’Bama.   There is way too much to lose in the next four years when you think about the age of the Supreme Court justices (yikes – 6-3 or 7-2?).   While I think there is need for pressure from the left to offset Grover and the Tea Party, given the state of the economy, I don’t think now is the time.

    • Gene

      I have heard now is not the time since it became obvious that Clinton had sold out the working class with NAFTA and further deregulated banking. If not now, when? As far as the egotistical argument. I have heard this a millions times also. It seems to be an argument used by those who actually agree with the policy positions of third party candidates but need to rationalize why they won’t vote for a third party candidate. Egotistical? Don’t you think it takes an ego to run for the leader of the ‘free world’? The ego argument is a straw man that has nothing to do with policy.

    • Navin_Johnson

       Perhaps if the Democrats don’t want to lose our votes, they should try to at least pretend like they’re trying to earn them.

    • jefe68

      It’s Obama, not O’Bama…

  • Daniel W Sauber

    I just caught the show rerun on WAMU.  I appreciate the question on the cost and funding of the Green’s ‘sustainable’ community-based economy.  Did I miss the Gary Johnson interview?  I have to agree w/Dr.Stein- votes for ’3rd’party candidates come from those of us who will not vote for the lesser evil offered by Republicrats.

  • Kurt meidinger

    Most people, especially middle class voters, are unhappy with our present political system. The Tea Party has been the most successful in mobilizing that anger. I think they are unhappy with their 2 choices for president. Do you think the Greens can work with and mobilize the Tea Party? Can we make the Green a a protest vote for all unhappy voters?

    • smartpotato

      It’s hysterical that “everyone is unhappy” all of a sudden. Where was all this “unhappiness” when Bush was killing over 100,000 of our own?

      • artist327

         100,000  of our own what?? Potatoes? I’m confused by your statement and your sources for this. If you are referring to people why was he not arrested and tried as a mass murderer?
        Have read many things including the Bugliosi book and don’t recall that figure

    • J__o__h__n

      The Teabaggers re-elected Harry Reid by getting an extremist the Republican nomination.  And don’t forget the other loser candidate who wasn’t a witch. 

    • TFRX

      Any bi-curious Tea Partiers have long since been pushed out. It’s now 80% wingnut, still obsessed over the KenyanCommunistMuslim guy who wasn’t born here (sic), led by the Astroturfers in the Beltway.

      Greens or any group leftwing of the Dems should know this.

    • Jennifer Linden

      Great question.  That would be great.

  • Chaws

    I did not vote for Nader and have always been a Democrat. My father was a very active precinct committeeman for most of his adult life. Everything Jill touches upon I believe can and will resonate and cause the tipping point that is critically needed. I have spent the past 7 years working in positions that gave me  extensive and direct contacts and relations with a very broad group of citizens across the spectrum in a rural area with high unemployment and I think that if they had an opportunity to listen to Jill and question her they could be convinced to take such a drastic action as to turn away from their party.  I would not leave voting democrat just to vote for someone I did not really think possesed the collective insight and understanding that Jill has. 

  • Leni

    What this country needs!! Exactly!!

  • orbit7er

    It is about time that NPR provides a perspective outside the Corporatist 1%  apologists.  Jill Stein was highly articulate of a vision we have known has been needed for 30 years.  NPR has generally refused to cover true Greens or progressives like Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson, Dennis Kucinich who actually represent what most Americans are looking for.
    Stop the Wars! Save the planet with jobs in a Green Transition which is needed to preserve a reasonable life in the age of Peak Oil and Climate Change.

  • Nli2work

    Excellet! Now bring Rocky Anderson to the show!

  • e.g.

    I agree with the callers’ comments on consumerism.

    The larger issue is that, in fact, there can be “green” capitalist economy.  

    Capitalism is an inherently unsustainable system; no amount of “green jobs” will change this fact.  However, Jill Stein presents a good transitional model for American society.

    I again respectfully ask On Point to air a discussion on capitalism.  I would love to hear an interview with philosopher and economist Paul Maddick, Jr.  He is more than worthy of an hour and I promise will not disappoint.

    • e.g.

      Sorry; that sentence is “There can be NO ‘green’ capitalist economy.”  

  • Marecascada

    There is no sound with this interview.

  • Navin_Johnson

    Thanks for have Jill Stein on!
    The fact that she’s making both Republicans and milquetoast center-right Obama-crats enraged is a good indication that she’s saying the right things!

    • J__o__h__n

      The Republicans are not enraged.  They want her in the race as a spoiler. 

      • Littleearth21

        When Obama refers to Romney as a “pioneer of outsourcing” he need not leave his party. Remember Clinton is the chief pioneer proponent to GATT and NAFTA which kick started this whole mess.

        • J__o__h__n

          So don’t vote for Clinton. 

        • Jennifer Linden

          Obama has been an outsourcer as well.

  • Railmeat

    Ego Trip!

    It is hard to see this as a serious campaign, not only does she have no chance of winning. Even if she did win she will not be able to acomplish anything.

    A serious third party would building up by winning local elections and having candidates who could show that they can acomplish something.

  • magman

    I agree with earlier comments that the Greens need to find a way to win elective office ona much larger scale.  We desperately need Green legislators in Congress.  I also agree that the Green Party needs to build a presence at the local and state level in order to be given serious consideration. 
    Nevertheless, I agree with almost all of Stein’s ideas and her analysis of the nation’s current situation.   Since Obama’s record has been dismal (at best) and is unlikely to get any better and since Romney is as bad or maybe worse than the Pres., I again have no choice other than to support the candidate who most agrees with my values – Jill Stein.

  • joysingh

    Those of you who say his record has been dismal, have you kept in touch? Every effort, every proposal is an attempt to get the country on course but this is not a monarchy. If Jill believes that just by believing in what she believes in, the country will become reformed, that is naive.

  • ebbflow

    In the discussion, it was noted that Ralph Nader had received Republican funding in 2000. Also, that the votes he received in Florida had made that state much closer, with the resulting historic outcome. Mr. Ashbrook asked Ms. Stein directly if she was receiving any funding from Republicans, and she failed to answer his question. What kind of change is she really championing?

  • Sharon Miller

    Jill Stein is an idealist, and many of us support her ideals, but unfortunately she is also naive and could end up being a real spoiler.  Can anyone seriously believe our country and our environment and our workers would be better off under Romney than under Obama and the Democrats?  It is delusional to think that peeling Democratic voters off to vote for a Green Party candidate could be anything but disaster.

  • Erikthor

    It’s outrageous that none but Republicans & Democrats can be considered as candidates.  McCain would have been horrible.  Obama is just plain bad.  No transparency in government, continued involvement in both Iraq & Afghanistan (to say we’re out of Iraq is an out and out lie), warrantless wiretapping, raids on medical marijuana, support for the coups in Haiti and Honduras and more — supporting (as previous presidents) death-squad democracy, and more.  Was a time when Nixon was pushed to do things he deplored, and thus ended up being more liberal than Obama.  We’ve drifted that far to the right.  We need Green and Peace candidates to push the envelope, if even a little.  (And Ralph Nader didn’t loose the election for Gore.  Gore lost that election, both pre and post election)

  • magman

    No question that all this silliness about rehashing the Nader  candidacy in 2000 is a sign that Dems just can’t get past  the reality that their candidate was pathetic and uninspiring and that he and they lost. 
      Hey Dems – grow up and get over it !

    As to Stein, her task is formidable.   As a third party candidate (a tough position from the start) she needs to try and legitimize progressive alternatives to Obama’s Republican light agenda.   We all know, in advance, that the Dems and mainstream media will try to marginalize, ignore, overlook, and dismiss Stein’s candidacy.   Unfortunately, rarely will you hear an actual response to her ideas.  Her Dem critics know that their candidate, Pres. Obama, is a flop who has failed the American people.  As we all now know, (should anyone have been fooled by his 2008 campaign for “change,”)  he is a clever spokesman for status quo politics working behind closed doors for establishment insiders.
       
    Stein’s other task herculean task is to try to build the Green Party at the local level.   I hope she can inspire Greens in a way that will build their base. 

  • Jennifer Linden

    Obama is a liar.
    Jill is the best choice for progressives in this country.
    Send DC a message that there is a 3rd way; get on board or get out of the way!

    • Jennifer Linden

      I especially believe that all women need to vote for Jill.  The other parties are women-hating at their core.

  • Grandpadewey

    I agree with her but, unfortunately Washington doesn’t work that way. Whether we like it or not, you play the hand you’ve been dealt and that’s the way politics works.

  • ebbflow

    Nice spin magman and ericthor … My comments weren’t about the 2000 election, they were about her answering a question she was asked. You sound like her. Shifting the focus only creates doubt. That’s my point

  • Scoleman

    In much the same way as with the “free market” we the consumers/voters are the final deciders of our collective fate. Politics, and the public figures that put a face on our political system are only cynical parodies of our social and economic will. Idealist/Populists like Jill Stein capitalize off the willful denial by the people of their mutual culpability in our current plight. If you want to make a “difference” (whatever that means) take a step back and stop being made to feel as though you have to vote this time or the next. Plant your feet and stand your ground against the tide of hyperbole. Resolve to be an individual and take the time to introspect. You and I hold in our own hearts the real reason why we are afraid. We won’t last you and I, we are fleeting. We will pass, most of us, without an effect on history. And this knowledge leaves us empty inside. This is the basis for political narrative. Once you understand and openly admit this, you will see the way forward. Until then, Jill Stein is just another political capitalist selling you a bill of goods. Her rhetoric stinks of old-school Bolshevism. Better to pass into obscurity with dignity, resolved to resignation and comfortable with our mediocrity then to live our lives as tools of unabashed bigots. Be brave and proud you citizens of the world.

    • NjDrop

      Let’s just stand aside and let the world burn. Let’s call it, “lotus burning” and kill ourselves in the climax of our absolute spiritual realization of freedom. 

      Or, we can confront reality and fight for the environment, the populace, and our future and accept that we must gather as communities into larger communities and endorse a candidate to represent us. 

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  • Lchimienti

    time for a change…. long shot but hell it is time

  • AgnewPickens

    An Obama campaign telemarketer told me I should vote for the lesser of “two Evils.”  Yeah right!

    • http://twitter.com/ihrtelectronica iheartelectronica

      Haha seriously?

  • http://www.facebook.com/fairyaudrey Faredae Audrey Miller

    If everyone who says this would be a wasted vote, voted for her, we would see real change in this country! This is NOT scripted. LOVE IT!

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  • TaraBO

    Tom’s tone toward her candidacy was sure negative: “Here’s a choice, America.  You may not want it” (or something like that as his closing remark.)  Jeez.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FSTN5453LFVPU44EFDT4H5G33U Domenico

    Jill Stein should quote from Teddy Roosevelt’s Address at the Convention of the National Progressive (Bull Moose) Party in 1912–an address that is as valid today as it was a century ago. The following is the beginning: “To you, men and women who have come here to this great city of this great State formally to launch a new party, a party of the people of the whole Union, the National Progressive Party, I extend my hearty greeting. You are taking a bold and a greatly needed step for the service of our beloved country. The old parties are husks, with no real soul within either, divided on artificial lines, boss-ridden and privilege-controlled, each a jumble of incongruous elements, and neither daring to speak out wisely and fearlessly what should be said on the vital issues of the day. This new movement is a movement of truth, sincerity, and wisdom, a movement which proposes to put at the service of all our people the collective power of the people, through their Governmental agencies, alike in the Nation and in the several States. We propose boldly to face the real and great questions of the day, and not skillfully to evade them as do the old parties. We propose to raise aloft a standard to which all honest men can repair, and under which all can fight, no matter what their past political differences, if they are content to face the future and no longer to dwell among the dead issues of the past. We propose to put forth a platform which shall not be a platform of the ordinary and insincere kind, but shall be a contract with the people; and, if the people accept this contract by putting us in power, we shall hold ourselves under honorable obligation to fulfill every promise it contains as loyally as if it were actually enforceable under the penalties of the law.” The entire Address is at: http://www.ssa.gov/history/trspeech.html

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CLOIP5RK77GXYCQGBW7O23SLTM Zoonga

    In presidential races, my state always votes republican by an overwhelming majority.  Candidates don’t campaign here nor do they but airtime for advertisements. We’re a given. My vote has no chance of deciding our next president. 

    That unburdens me from the two-party system.  I sure as hell don’t want Romney, but I haven’t been thrilled with Obama’s last four years.  So, I decided a long time ago that my vote would be one of opposition to both. 

    Right now I’m either going to vote for Jill Stein or I will cast a write-in vote for my favorite state senator.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CLOIP5RK77GXYCQGBW7O23SLTM Zoonga

    She can’t.  But she knows her candidacy isn’t about winning and running the country, it’s about changing the conversation we’re having.  It’s about setting things up for the future.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CLOIP5RK77GXYCQGBW7O23SLTM Zoonga

    A vote for Stein doesn’t always mean a vote away from Obama.  If you live in a solid blue or solid red state you have the freedom to vote however you want.

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