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The Supreme Court Rules On Health Care

The Supreme Court decides the fate of President Obama’s health care reform. We’ll be live and listening as their ruling comes down.

The U.S. Supreme Court is seen Wednesday, June 20, 2012

The U.S. Supreme Court is seen Wednesday, June 20, 2012

History will be made today at the U.S. Supreme Court on American health care and the federal power to reform.  In the hour ahead, decades of struggle, months of high court deliberation reach a climax.  The court is expected to deliver its verdict on President Obama’s sweeping health care reform.

The signature Obama legislation affecting all Americans.  It is a tremendous high-wire moment for health care, politics, and the American people.  We will have the high court’s decision for you, instantly and live as it emerges.

This hour, On Point:  the Supreme Court rules on health care reform.  We’re live and listening.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Jodi Kantor, correspondent for the New York Times. She’s the author of The Obamas.

Stuart Altman, professor of national health policy at the Heller School of Social Policy and Management at Brandeis University. He is a health economist and one of the nation’s top experts on health care policy and served as an advisor on health care policy for the 2008 Obama campaign.

Gail Wilensky, economist and senior fellow at Project HOPE an, international health education foundation. She was an adviser to John McCain’s campaign and contributor to the McCain healthcare plan.

Kurt Lash, professor of law and director of the program on Constitutional theory, history and law at the University of Illinois.

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

Supreme Court Health Care Ruling

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The New York Times “The Supreme Court announced on Monday that it would issue the rest of its decisions for its current term on Thursday, making it very likely that a decision on the comprehensive law overhauling health care will come that day.”

The New Yorker “The mandate made its political début in a 1989 Heritage Foundation brief titled “Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans,” as a counterpoint to the  single-payer system and the employer mandate, which were favored in Democratic  circles. In the brief, Stuart Butler, the foundation’s health-care expert,  argued, “Many states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seat-belts  for their own protection.”

National Review “But if Obamacare vanishes or the individual mandate is eliminated, look for Democrats to panic. There will also be comparisons to Jimmy Carter — the last Democratic president to lose reelection — and his “malaise” period.”

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  • Ed

    With the Eric Holder contempt citation this could be a bad day for our anti-Catholic, pro-abortion president. Even if the health care law stands, it soon has to face the law suits from the Catholic Church that were filed a month ago.

    • JGC

      It may or may not be a bad day for our president, but it definitely seems like a good season for the lawyers!

    • Roy-in-Boise

      Back in the good old days we turned anti-Catholics over to the inquisition… Now we roast them on talk radio.

      • Ray in VT

        A number of generations ago in my neck of the woods people burned effigies of the Pope on November 5th.  Now that was some real anti-Catholicism.

        • jefe68

          Guy Fawkes Night?

          • Ray in VT

            Yes, but in Colonial New England, it being, of course, a hot bed of religious tolerance during the 17th and 18th centuries, they burned the Pope instead of the Guy.

    • jefe68

      Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJYkY&feature=related 

      • feettothefire

        Too funny, jefe. I swear, I’m sitting in my big “comfy” chair as I read this. Long live Python!!

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Anti-Catholic, to you, means that he doesn’t do everything that the Bishops tell him to do?  By that standard, there are a lot of people in this world who are the same.  You might want to rethink your assessment.

    • margbi

       No, Ed, you have to understand that discussion of religious viewpoints is the way we are supposed to function in a democracy.  If one entity can shape everyone’s opinions, only that entity is necessary and everyone else is just excess baggage.

      As for the President being pro-abortion, well, sometimes abortion is the least worst decision that can be made by the person most involved, the WOMAN.

    • J__o__h__n

      It is too bad that the Enlightenment happened and that the Founding Fathers created a government with separation of church and state.  If only the fetuses had been allowed to vote at the Constitutional Convention, we would have a much better government. 

      • Bigleyjoshua

         but a protozoa cant vote…fortunately we dont extend democracy to single-celled organisms and unformed lizards.  Unless you consider republicans…

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Gee Ed, you mean that there are people that don’t support your Child-Molesting and Child-Abusing church, without question?
         If the Catholic church health-care suits are settled 10 years AFTER the Catholic church really FIXES their Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse cases, it will be 2525!

    • josh

       to hell with the catholic church–whet the hell does the church have to do with American sovereignty.  The church can kiss my…

      All churches be damned

  • SteveV

    Thankfully this will be over and we can move on. What?

    • vandermeer

       Steve, Move on to what? Yes, that is the next question. And I believe solving healthcare is an economic problem that the President rightfully tried to solve in 2009 as part of getting our economy going. If the economy is the primary issue this election, so is healthcare.

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  • Gregg

    I’ve heard a ton of theories and angles but I have no idea how this vote will shake down.

    • Ray in VT

      Agreed, Gregg, but I’m still going to guess 5-4.

      • http://twitter.com/traderjanie Jane B Fox

        Ray do you mean 5 against and 4 for?

        • Ray in VT

          Yes, that’s what I’m thinking Jane.

  • vandermeer

    I have little faith in a Court that comes up with legal fallacies such as … a corporation is a person. There is a political agenda in this Court that is disgusting. 

    • John in Amherst

      The US has a congress unable to function because the minority is just in control enough to grid lock all decision making.  The court has devolved into right wing reactionary force bent on turning the clock back to the Guilded Age.  FOX and Talk Radio render yellow journalism in 3-D.  And Obama is bemoaned for his inability to accomplish anything and may well lose to a guy who repeatedly reverses his position on any number of issues but eschews the idea that he has “evolved” politically, because his base doesn’t believe in evolution.  How long before fascism offers a solution and the public buys in?

      • Tina

        So well expressed!

      • josh

         seems that day has all ready come and gone–soon after 911

    • Tina

      As much as I HATE the Citizens United decision, it was NOT this Supreme Court (Roberts’) that decided that a corporation is a person.  That decision was made many decades ago; was – perhaps – confirmed in the interim between the initial decision and C.U..  Citizens United used the earlier decision as precedent.  I HATE that, but it is still a different situation than what you imply (as does someone else on this Comments page, or on the other On Point page for the other hour today).  Thanks!

    • Bigleyjoshua

       agreed–no matter what we think about supreme court issues–the court is illegitimate and unconstitutional–isn’t ironic?  Down with the corporate-aristocracy!

  • Sam Walworth

    Just wondering, if the Supreme Court can rule that, A Corporation is a Person, and therefore has the Right to Exercise Free Speech, why shouldn’t these “persons” to be allowed to Exercise The Right to Bear Arms?

    I smell, the flavor of erstwhile East India Company again :)

    • josh

       they do bear arms and KILL–its called blackwater, XE–a dominionist christain organization.

  • John in Amherst

    Scalia has derisively joked about his unwillingness to read the law before reaching his decision.  Thomas’s wife has made a boatload of money from the healthcare industry lobbying against this legislation, but he refused to recuse himself on the case.  Justice, GOP style….  

    • Victor Vito

      I hope I live long enough to see history render judgement on the tenure of Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court.

      • John in Amherst

         What? the “jury isn’t in” on Thomas already?

      • Ray in VT

        On a lighter note, I hope that I long enough to hear Justice Thomas speak from the bench.

        • Victor Vito

          HA!

        • jefe68

          I hear that Justice Thomas is a ventriloquist and that he throws his voice.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            How many times has he thrown his vote the way of the companies his wife represents?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        You have EXECUTEive Health-Care?

  • Greyman

    Some discussion on this site lately over embedded “editorializing” in topic presentation. This first-hour show could be cited as a case in point: the photo above with the entire edifice of the Corinthian-columned Supreme Court building tilting decidedly to the right. Very clever, very telling, very NPR-ish.

    • John in Amherst

       and you mind the court tilting to the right?  not what I would have guessed…

      • Greyman

        I made the point in part because of my background in graphic design, in part because of my enduring regard for Orwell’s essay “Politics and the English Language” (in need of revision or supplementation to address the use of graphic design in contemporary propaganda and political discourse), in part because I recall the 2004 Pew “People and the Press” poll which showed journalists self-identifying as considerably more progressive than the American public at large.

        • J__o__h__n

          The building itself is propaganda.  The Roberts Court needs the appearance of classical Greek democracy to hide their activist decisions.

          • Greyman

            Lest we forget: the Supreme Court building was completed in 1935, so please feel free to apply your assertion retroactively.

          • J__o__h__n

            I didn’t say it was limitted to Roberts.

        • Don_B1

          And those “self-identifying” as progressive usually over compensate to scrub their inclinations from their text, leaving only the “right-leaning” aspects.

          The other part is that many are too lazy to work up the foundations for the opinions of both sides, leaving the largely ignorant populace to “decide for themselves” from the spin that each side puts out. Thus the “stenographer” rule wins out over the education role that the press is supposed to fill also.

          And to their everlasting shame, the Democrats are woefully inept in making their own case.

    • Ray in VT

      I think that you may be reading too much into that, Greyman.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar (although sometimes it isn’t).  I wouldn’t even have noticed it if you hadn’t said something, but, then again, I rarely look at the photo at the top of the page.

      • Greyman

        Ray: your candid response points up the very power (and danger) of subliminal advertising: you may not “look” at the photos, but you cannot arrive on this web page without “seeing” them, even momentarily. We decry subliminal messaging in commercial contexts. We have every reason to object to its use in non-commercial contexts, ESPECIALLY when it comes to “news” presentation.

        • Ray in VT

           Greyman:  I can’t disagree with you on your points.  Advertising, presentation, etc., all can have very profound affects upon consumers.  I would ask you, though, if the intent of the photo was portray a Court that is tilting to the right, is it incorrect?  Given some of the rulings in recent years, I think that many observers who both laud and criticize those decisions would probably say that it is.

  • J__o__h__n

    Does anyone else hate the term SCOTUS?  Unless otherwise described as being a supreme court of another location, Supreme Court is sufficient.  The “Court” was fine for law school.  Not everything needs stupid initialisms instead of words.  (Same thing for POTUS.)  And calling them “the Supremes” was funny the first dozen times but that joke is no longer amusing. 

    • Ray in VT

      One of my boss’s peeves is the recent use of “no-no” instead of no hitter.  It saves one a syllable, but it makes one sound as though one is talking to a small child.

    • John in Amherst

       I find the acronym to have a supercilious ring (or thud) to it that seems to embody the essence of the current conservative majority of the SCOTUS

    • Chris B

      How about “SCROTUS”?  Still more or less an acronym, but it seems to more accurately accord them more of the regard they so richly deserve.

      • Charles A. Bowsher

         How about “SCROTUM” as in “Supreme Court Rarely Opens Their Useful Mouth”  a little weak, I’ll admit.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    As usual, J_o_h_n, on questions of language, you and I agree.  Too many are in such a hurry to get on to the next inane statement.

  • Victor Vito

    The partisan hacks in the supreme court will decide what they will and all sides will declare victory, except for the majority of Americans who will suffer on with healthcare inferior to the Canadians, British, Japanese, Dutch, French, Germans, Swedes, and most of the rest of the developed world.

    Hooray for us.  Long live American Exceptionalism.

  • Ellen Dibble

    The legislature seems to be incapable of guiding us.  Can the Supreme Court?  The executive branch, Obama, seems to me to have done the best he can in an urgent circumstance.  What is that?  

        Capitalism has seized upon health care needs.  These are even more pressing than the need for a McMansion or a speedy vehicle.  Everyone has a mother or child or spouse or friend…
        Thus, there is room for Huge profit in health care, enough to enable not just research and extended trials.  Enough to bankrupt the country.     And look at the underlying capitalist “drivers.”  If you can get a lot of people all sick with the same thing, you can devise treatments to apply to them all, keeping them dependent on these drugs for rather extended life spans.  For example?  You can feed them spiked food, spiked with corn syrup and fats, and then you can devise treatments for high cholesterol, for high blood pressure, for diabetes, for obesity itself.  And if the pollution of industrialized life, the fertilizers and pest controlling chemicals from the fields, the things in the water, and in the air, if that causes asthma, allergies, epigenetic changes that affect the nervous system of many millions of people, hey, that’s an opportunity to get those folks dependent on drugs and treatments too.  They’ll never be competitors, but they can be subsidized, even their health care can be subsidized, and it’ll  make us all rich.  Sign up now to own a piece of the pie.  It’s available on Wall Street.

    • vandermeer

       What a skeptic!!! And I agree COMPLETELY!!!!!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      ACCURATE ANALYSIS, LADY!  As far as it goes!  There is a LOT more, enriching EXECUTEives! 

    • Bubba

      Tell me Ellen; WHO was it that made the statement: ” the system is RIGGED”. Not ONLY for the economy but for health care as well.

  • Sean

    Regardless of the decision today, one thing is certain:

    We’ve let conservatives screw this country with their lackey, activist judges.

    Whatever you think of Obama, it’s beyond obvious that the USA can’t afford more power in the hands of the worst element in America: conservatives!

    We ALL have to hope President Obama is the one who appoints the next Justice to the Supreme Court, and NOT Romney!

    The good of ALL our futures depend on this!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      “NO!” By the 2-year-old-acting Congress, tells you where we have to put some of our attention!

    • John in Amherst

       Not to raise your concern to the level of abject panic, but it is likely the next president will replace at least 3 justices….

      • joshua bigley

         then we better vote Green or authentic progressive–not Obama, not Cheney-romney.
        Do you want a dmoocracy or continue to support a fascist regime?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Conservative, to me, means preserving what we have and not racing off to chase something just because it’s new.  It means paying as we go.  It means maintaining a strong country, both in terms of defense and the economy.  Unfortunately, Republicans often forget those conservative values, and Democrats rarely remember them.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Conservative of WHAT?
           Preserving slavery?
           Preserving Jim Crow Laws?
           Preserving a ‘man’s’ right to control over his ‘property’,meaning wife and children?
           Preserving the HYPOCRICY  of the political party of Larry Craig, Mark Foley, and Romney’s supporter that was forced to resign?

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          I didn’t expect you to understand.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I am at least TRYING to understand the ‘conservativism’, as it is presented recently.   Mostly, it can EASILY be revealed as HYPOCRICY!

      • John in Amherst

         Conservatives used to believe in refraining from involvement internationally (and the corollary: a small military), in conservation, as in conserving natural resources, and in stare decisis in matters judicial….. It seems the times are a-changing.

        • joshua bigley

           those concerns seem more progressive to me.

      • Charlie

        You need to update your definition of “Conservative…”

        … the definition you use is antiquated and has nothing to do with the modern conservative movement.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           No, people need to use language in a thoughtful and accurate manner.

          • joshua bigley

             so do you-vague language is not thoughtful or accurate.

      • joshua bigley

         you talking points are so vague that they are rendered meaningless.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    It should be pass. For the sake of millions of Americans without health insurance. for those patients with pre-existing conditions, to save physicians private clinics in remote towns of America. To lower the cost of prescription drugs and to gain our rank in the world as the leader in health care.

    • Victor Vito

      Y’know this is America, right?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

        Yes I know. I work for a Hospital in Boston.
        If you handle thousands of Insurance claims everyday in your life. you will know what I am talking about but if you don’t because the things that you hear from the people that has no clue what is going on in the Patient Account field.

        • Charles A. Bowsher

           I had dental work done at the UK dental school.  Each filling took at least two hours and some as much as three hours to complete.  Once per week.  The student cancelled numerous appointments at the last minute. I became dissatisfied with my treatment so I quit going.  After months of billing me for what I considered to be over-priced trtmt the dental school turned my bill over to a collection agency.  The Kentucky State Revenue Department!  I appealed the billing, UK decided it was all valid. The state then “Levied” my bank account to $0 causing me to bounce three checks (I live very close to the edge).  I am currently paying the balance off at $25/month plus having to pay a collection fee on every payment to the state treasurer of I think 20%.  Being without health and dental insurance sucks.  I love Kentucky, but I despise UK and its dental school.

  • http://twitter.com/traderjanie Jane B Fox

    You all know with the Citizen’s United case, the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation is a person. I just ordered a bumper sticker that said, “If a corporation is a person, can corporations in Texas be put to death?”

  • margbi

    The Republicans keep saying “repeal and replace.” I have not, however, heard with what they’d replace the Affordable Health Care Act. How about some light on this?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

       They’ll replace it with something the Democrats won’t accept – in other words, it would be replaced with gridlock.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      They don’t have.

    • J__o__h__n

      Obama mostly passed the Republican alternative to Hillarycare.  I forget if Mitt was a liberal, moderate or severe conservative when he passed Romneycare.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      I have NEVER heard them give ANY alternative!

  • Terry Tree Tree

    FIVE TIMES as much as the next-developed nation, in Health-Care costs, with 1/3 of U.S. Citizens with NO Health Insurance, EQUALS about EIGHT TIMES the next-developed nation! 
       Civilized?  Best Country in the World?  Death Panel Insurance company EXECUTEives? 
       IF someone could provide a sensible way to provide BETTER care, at LESS cost, would ALL the people that get $MILLIONS to provide the ‘best Health-Care’ give HALF of the money they have made in the past FIVE YEARS to the person with the solution?  “NO!” Like the answer Republican Congress gives to ALL solutions, that don’t give MORE MONEY to the 1%!
        Just HALF of the money they have gotten for doing a LOUSY job?
       We have physicians, attorneys, ‘business leaders’, and other ‘qualified people’, that have botching this issue, to the PROFIT of Death-Panel Insurance company EXECUTEives, for over 60 YEARS!  Aren’t they RICH ENOUGH?  Haven’t they KILLED enough?
       The LUST for POWER, the root of all EVIL?

    • Chris B

      The answer is single payer funded by taxes, like everywhere else in the civilized world.  The insurance companies are nothing but parasites who add no value whatever while sucking money from the system to line their own pockets.  There are some things that shouldn’t be treated as commodities and health care is one of them.  If you want to see the death panels, you’ll find them in the boardrooms of Blue Cross and Kaiser.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    I expect some people with preinformation on the decision will be cleaning up in the market today – this kind of insider trading is legal.

  • Ellen Dibble

    If our health care system can’t keep people healthy, inevitably we the tax payers will end up paying for the care of the sick.  We already have laws that insist people who’ve been shot or run over can’t be turned away from care.  Or people who’ve passed out from an overdose of illegal drugs…  I the taxpayer want efficient care.  I the stockholder in insurance companies and hospitals and pharmaceutical want that care to be profitable. 

        Conflict of interests?  Conflicts galore.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The worst decision would be striking down just the insurance mandate – it would shift the costs of the law from high to completely unmanageable.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    The Turning Point of the American Healthcare system lies in the hands of the Supreme Court.

  • http://twitter.com/traderjanie Jane B Fox

    When will On Point start?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      10 A.M.  EDT!

  • Ellen Dibble

    From the BBC website, check out the graph on spending as a portion of GDP, 1960 to now, was 5% in 1960, is 18% is 2010; Medicare was 4%, Medicaid was 3%; in dollars, that 18% is (was in 2010) 2.6 trillion dollars; Medicare is now .52 trillion, and Medicaid is .4 trillion, which is hard to gauge growth since they didn’t exist in 1960.  That is from the U.S. Government Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and the World Bank.  See this link:  
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18581863

    To quote: By 1960, in GDP terms, American spending on health was5%By 2010 it was18%Medicare was4%and Medicaid was3%
    By 1960, in GDP terms, American spending on health was5%By 2010 it was18%Medicare was4%and Medicaid was3%

  • http://twitter.com/traderjanie Jane B Fox

    Watching to see what the stock market will do when the ruling is announced. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      It will go down.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    If it gets completely overturned, the other mandate – the one requiring ER’s to treat regardless of a person’s ability to pay – is going to quickly overwhelm the system as the number of people without insurance continues to increase.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    20 minutes to go.

    Will SCOTUS find for ANY limit to federal government power?

    This decision is way more important than the Obamacare law.
     

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Mandate IS unconstitutional.

    • J__o__h__n

      Apparently not.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Ooops.  We are screwed.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Mandated Seat Belt Laws are unconstitutional?
         Mandated Helmet Laws are unconstitutional?
         Mandated Auto Insurance Laws are unconstitutional?
         MANY other examples!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    One thing Americans don’t know that if the Obamacare passed. you will no longer see any Medical bills in your mail.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Huh?

    • jefe68

      Where are you getting this information from?
      That’s not true at all.

    • jimino

      Not true

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Tom is very excited to provide a ring side seat for this event :-)

  • http://twitter.com/traderjanie Jane B Fox

     It will be very interesting to see what traders think of the health care reform.

  • Sean

    The loading of the Court with activist conservative judges was a win-win for the right:

    They get their way… then, if public opinion is disgusted by the results, conservatives can just claim the SCOTUS is simply one more part of the federal government that doesn’t work!

    Conservatives design the failures, then revel in the consequences: the demise of institutions on which we all depend and desperately need in order to lead decent, safe lives.

  • nj_v2

    How the eff is making people buy products from private companies a “tax.”??!

    • jimino

      It is the penalty they pay for NOT buying insurance that is the “tax”.

  • MrNutso

    Wow!  Mandate is in.

  • William

    This is wrong. Where does it stop?

  • http://twitter.com/traderjanie Jane B Fox

    WOW, this is NOT what I expected. I am so happy!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    Mandate Struck Down. America is a faulure may god help us all

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Slight exaggeration, no?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Now the whole only plank in the Republican platform for this election will be overturning Obamacare.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      EXECUTEives of Insurance companies will $upport them?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    I cried when I saw the news. We are all DOOM. We will struggle financially in the coming years. May God bless those children and their parents that cannot afford another treatment for the COST OF CARE is so high.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      So you wanted to act to be struck down?

    • Ray in VT

      You know, Beat, people on both sides of the issue could say that very same thing and both equally believe it to be true.

    • J__o__h__n

      We should save costs by reducing the number of people who process paperwork.  Make the billing simpler and reduce overhead. 

  • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

    I’d count on a CNN fail before I would SCOTUSBlog.

  • Gary Trees

    CNN trolling OnPoint?

  • nj_v2

    One of the guests said he’s happy that we’ve joined the rest of the developed countries. Huh? This mess of a law isn’t single payer.

    • HIdan

       shhhhh, gotta wait till the election year is over for the media to point this out.

    • jefe68

      I agree, it’s a band-aid. Single payer is the way to go.

    • nj_v2

      I believe it was Stuart Altman who said that. Not surprising, since he was one of the architects of this disaster.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    AMERICA FAILED!!!! You will see next year the cost of health insurance premiums will go up drastically.

    i am so dissappointed!!!!!

    • Katherine

      Yes, true. Anyone who shops for and buys her own medical insurance rather than getting it from a job knows this already. In the last 3 years our premiums have gone from 12% of our net income to 23%. Looking forward to more next year…won’t do what my Republican neighbors did though…no insurance, make their own “public health care” by going to the emergency room and not paying…after demonstrating for no health care reform!

  • MrNutso

    CNN Fail!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      freakin CNN.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Who wrote the opinion that’s being read?  Who signed on to it?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Roberts wrote the opinion.

      He sided with the left leaning judges (5-4).

      Kennedy sided with the conservatives in the minority.

  • http://twitter.com/traderjanie Jane B Fox

    Market went down for few minutes but it has recovered and is now rallying. Not sure what means. In any case the reaction was not dramatic. New daily highs now.

  • Nancy

    WooHoo!!!

    We Americans got SOOOOO Lucky!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    How stupid this is! Why doesn’t SCOTUS just have someone say “this is the ruling:.. and it means …” 30 second announcement would hit the high points. Instead of letting the media grope for its own interpretations.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      DRAMA!  And the chance to manipulate the Stock Market!

  • Hidan

    Do we really need minute by minute coverage?

    • Tina

      Yes!

  • Beth

    YES! lets move forward!

  • jefe68

    The mandate is upheld. The law stands. The Affordable Care Act stands. Interesting ruling and I’m surprised given the recent rulings.

    What is telling is how Justices Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito ruled in this. they wanted the whole law to be struck down. Nice coming from a bunch of men all of whom have a government health care payed for by tax payers.

    On a side note there are bushiness in Massachusetts that pay the fine as it’s less costly then buying insurance. I suspect this will be the way some people will run with this.

  • Guest

    I thought onpoint was about in depth analysis/discussion of current issues, not live news coverage.  Health care upheld, no struck down, no upheld, no, yes, no, yes, definitely yes.

    This is a very disappointing show.  Could you not have moved this topic tomorrow, after it’s been digested by the experts?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Live coverage of the subject being analyzed?  WHY would ANYONE do that?

    • Tina

      Oops, I hit the Like button when I actually disagree.  NPR has been telling us for days about the incredible sight one could expect at the site of the news bureaus area of the Court today.  It sounded like ordered chaos.  I’m glad that On Point brought us this direct coverage!  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    I am happy. SIGH!!!!

    WTF CNN!!!! never again.

  • Greyman

    Survival of the individual mandate, its construal as a “tax”, and the whole of PPACA returns the ball to political play: Obamacare is now returned to the political arena, because the whole kit-and-kaboodle CAN now repealed by Congress.

  • Very relieved

    Here in Mass., tears of happiness if this has held. I have a slight disability and the only way it has impeded me throughout my life has been in terms of access to health insurance. I am so happy Justice Roberts voted in favor, since he has a seizure disorder and should have some glimmer of understanding what it is like for regular Americans with “pre-existing conditions.” 

    • lodger

      Glad you are relieved, but how does ACA help you? It says you can’t have preexisting conditions, but it doesn’t say anything about price. So can’t insurance companies just charge whatever they want?

      Seems like some form of medicare for all is the only solution. 

  • Rule of Law (pretty please?)

    Wow. So the Court now takes on the role of Re-interpreting the legal intent of the Legislative Branch. Since our representatives could NOT pass a Health Care Tax, as voters didn’t want it, they didn’t legislate one. But the Court did the dirty work for them!

    I guess we need a supra-supreme court now to uphold the Constitution and Separation of Powers.

  • Charles A. Bowsher

    Once again,  OBAMA RAISES TAXES!

    • jimino

       Name the others that have been raised.

      • Charles A. Bowsher

         That was meant tongue in cheek!

         My big gripe is that no one is willing to call the Bush tax cuts by their proper name.  They should always be referred to as the “Temporary Bush Tax Cuts”  They were designed and passed to expire, which should have happened years ago were it not for a dysfunctional Congress which can say “Filibuster”, but is to wimpy to ever force one, and a political party who is unwilling to even say the word “compromise” let alone do it.

    • Tina

      Finally, I will get something else that I WANT from my taxes, which is to say that I like paying taxes to have good roads, safe bridges, etc., etc.  I don’t like my taxes paying for war after war after war, which is really for armaments from connected people used in those wars.  I’m glad to pay a tax for something that benefits me.  Some defense  spending benefits me, but, in my opinion, defense spending is way over the top.  I would be very happy living in Sweden or Denmark with their very high taxes, but with their solid sitting within a clear understanding of the human life span and human condition. Grover Norquist’s insistence against new taxes is just the passive-agressiveness of a spoiled, hyper-connected tyrant , to my thinking. 

      We NEED the government to help protect people with pre-existing conditions, etc.!  AND, you are already paying the equivalent of a tax when the hospitals have to pass along the expense of serving people without health insurance to you and to the rest of us.  

  • Nancy

    The costs of Health Care will finally be brought into check!

    I can’t wait until the key provisions of the Affordable Healthcare Act actually start to kick in and drastically bring down the skyrocketing costs of healthcare… of course, that will take as long as two years.

    Americans can FINALLY breathe a sigh of relief!

    HOORAY!

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Really?  The whole thing sounds more like a means of taking a mess and making it more complicated.

    • nj_v2

      Explain to us the mechanisms that will bring costs “into check.”

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Wait a second.  The President PROMISED that Obamacare wasn’t a tax.

    SCOTUS now claims it IS a tax — so it stands?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    For those outside of MA – we’ve had this for years and all in all it’s been a very good thing.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      oldman is right. We are now smiling in Massachusetts. Our expense in Healthcare each year has gone down in millions of dollars.

      • nj_v2

        What the hell are you talking about?

        http://www.bostonherald.com/business/healthcare/view.bg?articleid=1061141609&srvc=rss

        Patrick administration: Health-care costs still out of control

        “Health-care cost growth in Massachusetts has been outpacing everything else,” Jay Gonzalez, the Patrick administration’s secretary of administration and finance, told Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce members. “This is true for families, businesses and government. Health care has been eating up more and more of everyone’s dollar.”

        • joshua

           so says he…

    • John in Amherst

       and The Heritage Foundation had the idea in the 80′s and Romney was its champion, before it was borrowed by the Democrats as a solution, whence it became the root of all evil….

  • Charlie

    Finally!

     Obama actually imposed his FIRST rise in taxes!

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    So what does this do for low-income Americans who can’t afford to buy insurance?  Also, what about pre-existing conditions?  So far, what I’m hearing is that the bureaucratic elements are upheld.  What about the benefits to the people?

    • Tina

      I think there are provisions for people who cannot afford the insurance.  

      Everyone I know in Massachusetts loves their state equivalent, even those who resisted it at first.  

  • JIMTinSC

    God Bless the Supremem Court and the Chief Justice…they have done the right thing!!!!

  • Margaret

    A victory for the middle class over special interests and monied people and companies!!!
    Margaret in Springfield

  • Hidan

    1000+ state and 1000+ Fed is not a wimpy tax for not having it. 

    Can’t afford crappy high co-pay health insurance? Don’t worry the government both state and fed will tax you a few thousands  until your forced to buy high co-pay health insurance.

    Big Success.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      STOP MAKING LIES. DOES NOT TRUE!!!!

      You already failed in your plan you debunk Obama Care
      please stop making presumptions

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    A difference would have been a real healthcare reform.  Obama’s attempt sounds like more kinks in the pipes.

  • Greg

    People. Wake up! This was a corporate ruling from a corporate court.

    This is nothing to celebrate. You are going to be locked in to private blood sucking health insurance companies for generations.

    You will pay exorbitant premiums for little to no care.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

      Well, a lot of us wanted single payer healthcare – but that was quickly swept off the table as an option.

      • John in Amherst

         Time to rejoin that battle!

        • nj_v2

          Good luck. ACA hands insurance-”healthcare” industry huge financial windfall. They’ll have more lobbyists and bigger PR campaigns than you can shake a stick at.

        • nj_v2

          Good luck. ACA hands insurance-”healthcare” industry huge financial windfall. They’ll have more lobbyists and bigger PR campaigns than you can shake a stick at.

    • nj_v2

      I’m glad to see that someone else gets it.

    • John in Amherst

       or perhaps this is the first mile of a marathon?  Maybe O is martialling his reserves for a sprint to the finish line?  Can you really believe that the GOP (the party of the Big Business and plutocrats) has been fighting this thing tooth and nail because it is pro-corporation??
      Perhaps now we can move on to wrangle over single-payer and torte reform and patent rights for gene sequences and drugs, and the incompatibility of the “free market” and delivering health care, and THE fundamental problem facing us: we have learned how to do more for people medically speaking, than we can afford to deliver for everyone (i.e.: rationing)…..

      • Greg

        The Republicans just did it to rile up the base.

        They knew that Roberts would uphold it.

        If the Republicans get it and over turn it it will be a nightmare for a while (they will do nothing for the uninsured in this country or to hold the escalating premiums down) while the whole system implodes.

        If they don’t, Obamacare will suck us dry and give us nothing in return for generations.

        Bottom line, we will get single payer one way or another.

        These blooding sucking health insurance companies need to die.

  • Greg

    Lady 

    THis doesn’t reaffirm his humanity.

    THis is a corporate ruling. 

    Good god. 

  • Dandijoy

    The Federal Government can force US citizens to buy anything the government wants.  Buy an electric car or be taxed. Buy US T Bills or be taxed.

  • Dbianco74

    In some ways, the greatest part of this news is the fact that a decision can be made that does not fall strictly along party lines. The most trying part of the first 6 years of the Bush administration was feeling like opposing voices carried no weight. Republicans probably felt that way about the first two years of the Obama administration (although they certainly did a good job of making themselves known). Perhaps this decision breaks the wall of confrontation and is a harbinger of a period known for more compromise and collaboration than the past decade or so. 

  • J__o__h__n

    Has Biden said this is a big F***ing decision yet?

  • Cathy Whalen

    Supreme Court upholds the Health Care law – I may actually be able to afford health insurance at some point in my life… instead of just contributing to a system that only supports the bone lazy and self inflicted “disabled” due to smoking, alcoholism, ect… I as an American citizen may actually be able to have health care for me, myself!

  • Roy Mac

    Meanwhile, the Court DID overturn the Stolen Valor Act.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    O.K., so the mandate is a tax, but we don’t have to pay it.  I’ve never heard of that kind of tax.

    • Ray in VT

      Does that perhaps let it stand for now but leave the door open for it to be challenged when the tax comes into effect?

    • nj_v2

      That’s not correct. Tom A. read that off of SCOTUS Blog, but they later corrected that statement.

      Original statement: “Amy Howe: 
      The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.”

      Correction: “Tom: 
      Apologies – you can’t refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.”

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Ah, good point.

      • nj_v2

        Clarification: The “Tom” making the apology is from SCOTUS blog, not Tom Ashbrook.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Roberts has also sided, without fail, to side with business, and let’s face it – this is a boon to commercial insurance, as everyone not on medicaid/medicare will have to buy it from some insurance co.

    On the other hand, I wish that this could be a start for Roberts to start pulling a  Surgeon General Koop  (at least now and then) and not doing what the one that put him there expected of him and doing what the job calls for and serving the people, not the party or ideology.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    In Obamacare, they should have directed the penalty to fund the ER mandate imposed on hospitals, which would have made it appear much more fair – either you buy insurance or you help pay to offset the costs of not having insurance.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    If Obama had pushed for a public option, I’d call him bold and visionary.  That would have been something big, something new (for this country. . .).  As it stands, this is an addition of layers.

    • nj_v2

      We agree.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

         It’s an interesting day, no?

        • nj_v2

          Not sure. Ancient Chinese curse: “May you have an interesting life.”

    • John in Amherst

        or perhaps this is the first mile of a marathon?  Maybe O is
      martialling his reserves for a sprint to the finish line in term 2? 
      Perhaps now we can move on to wrangle over
      single-payer and torte reform and patent rights for gene sequences and
      drugs, and the incompatibility of the “free market” and delivering
      health care, and THE fundamental problem facing us: we have learned how
      to do more for people medically speaking, than we can afford to deliver
      for everyone (i.e.: rationing)…..

    • Tom

      There is a public option because of this act. Here in Vermont we should have it in place in the next 2 -3 years. That was not allowed before this act.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

         That’s Vermont.  Much of the rest of the country doesn’t have that.

  • Soxfan81

    As a self-employed contractor living in Massachusetts, I’ve been fortunate to receive subsidized health care from the state, thanks to the Massachusetts legislature and former governor Romney.  I’m moving to Chicago this Fall and I am so relieved that the help I’ve received in Massachusetts may yet be available nationwide.  Bravo, Mr. President and Mr. John Roberts!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    The Tax deductions will be under Medicare and Medicaid it will be included in your weekly payroll

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      Believe me that is the plan.

  • John C

    I think this may well prove to be a pyrrhic victory for the Democratic Party this election cycle. 

    Hold on to your hats boys and girls, we’re in for a hell of a rough ride.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Whomever is running CNN need to be fired.  What happened to the days of Bernard Shaw, and reporting the news and getting it right, often before everyone else?  They spend megabucks on holographic doodads and panels that are supposed to be the best of the best and they don’t get what even Fox had right (for a change)?   This is why I’ll stick with NPR over the fashion show that’s become TV news 90% of the time.

  • Ellen Dibble

    The Medicaid expansion — I’m not sure it affects Massachusetts at all.  But when people under 65 try to get themselves classified as disabled or when they have children one after another, even when the Social Services take those children away, part of it is that the government offers Medicaid to people under 65 who have children or are disabled.  And if the person is earning so little money that they otherwise qualify, they may indeed be struggling with health issues.  It might not be a good idea to have children then, but proper health care might make them fully able.  So far, the federal government has been counterproductive with their health care policies.  It’s not clear if they’re throwing it back to the states now.  It seems so.

  • Michiganjf

    YES!

    Now, once Americans fully appreciate how lucky we are to keep The Affordable Healthcare Act, we will be one step closer to accepting and initiating A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM!

    Obama 2012!

    • nj_v2

      Au contraire. The corporate-industrial-”healthcare” complex will now have so much money from this law forcing people to buy their crappy products they’ll be able to fight off anything that threatens their control of the system. Sad that so many people are being duped by this. Anyone who wants single payer in their lifetime had better move to a country that already has it.

  • Jon

    Rich people against this law and poor people love it. There is always rich and poor and where is fairness justice – this truly evil virtue? Is there justice? What is justice? No man in human history has figured it out yet. These supreme court judges can contribute more for the nation by flipping hamburgs at McDonald’s. It’s a total waste of tax payers money and amoral argument going nowhere, ever.

    • Jon

      One thing is for sure – capitalism doesn’t like the verdict, just look at the stock market now. Obama is truly a socialist.

  • WINSTON SMITH

    Since the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare as constitutional due to being considered a tax, the Democrats have done what they have wanted to do, have been doing for a long time, and do best…raising taxes and increasing governmental deficit spending.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      A lot of Republicans voted for it, TOO!

  • Bugsyboo

    Very pleased with this decision. A bit surprised Roberts siding w/ the law.
     
    Who were the dissenters, supporters?

  • Billgardner64

    As a retired person, now a volunteer emt, I see boatloads of need for many of the provisions of this bill.  My costs continue to rise to pay for those that don’t have ins.  This is the 1st time in a long time I’ve seen something passed that really seems to benefit me.  Yes, I expect my costs to continue to rise, but with something to restrain their increases.

    Bravo.
    Bill

  • Ellen Dibble

    My question is this:  Does this decision serve to preempt a future for “the public option,” or does it leave the profit-making part of our health care system in place?  If, as in Massachusetts, we the people find out how care keeps getting more and more costly, more and more unaffordable for anybody earning over, what is it, $40,000 a year, then is there an opportunity to revisit a national plan that you can use?  A sort of Medicare Plan B for all, as Wilensky puts it?
    I know that it is said that without the promise of big profits, American research would not be coming up with all these expensive treatments — gene therapy, for instance. But it seems to me that the greater profits in the American way of private health insurance, and corporate, um, collaboration, are not the only motivator to improve health care. Everybody has someone they love, even if they don’t worry about their own say future of a decade of Alzheimer’s. We do have the NIH; we do have collaboration among universities, and so on.

    • JGC

      Vermont is going forward with a single payer system, and this was whether or not the Supreme Court upheld the health care law.

      Ask a Vermonter for more info.

  • Matt

    Thanks Mr. President for my healthcare

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    I am SO HAPPY. I am very happy for the children who badly needed of care for now they can Freely go to a doctor and be cared for and the parents who are unemployed just hang on

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      A few minutes ago, you were telling us that America is a failure.  It’s hard to follow your shifting positions.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

        BECAUSE CNN GAVE THE WRONG NEWS!!! DONT YOU GET IT MISTER!!!

        • Terry Tree Tree

          DEWEY WINS!  ??

  • Charlie

    Americans are DONE paying for those wo want a free ride when they need care, but don’t want to pay for insurance!

  • MrNutso

    So much anger.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    It is true!!! Good will always prevail against evil.

  • Brothersower88

    The government can tax us for producing, consuming, and not consuming.  Nothing like being taxed for doing nothing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

    We need Medicare for All.
    Not federally mandated profits for insurance companies.

    http://tinyurl.com/cqu7csb

    • Terry Tree Tree

      EXECUTEives of insurance companies have fought THAT for over 60 YEARS! 
        We have a step toward it!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Just to update the speaker – most people do not support Obamacare – most people support most of the provisions of Obamacare.

    I know – I don’t understand that one, either.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    At least the limiting principle of the commerce clause was held up by the majority.

    I’m surprised that the 4 liberal justices hold to that limiting principle — as written by Roberts.
     

  • MrLongleg

    Great victory for Obama and the voices of reason (and compassion). Now Cayman Island Mitt is between a rock and a hard place, since he wants to repeal the law on day one (if he gets elected). The repeal would do harm to a lot of middle and low income families. I can’t wait for his next etch-a-sketch comment on the ruling. Will have great entertainment value ;-)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Why no comments about MA? We’ve had it for years.

    • feettothefire

       See above.

  • David from Lowell

    We need some push back to the often spoken claim that “the majority of Americans don’t support this law.” When polls ask questions about each part of the law, people support it, but when asked if they support the Affordable Care Act, they say no.

  • Charlie

    This will bring premium costs down FOR ALL OF US!!
     
    We will no longer have to cover the expensive costs of the uninsured, absorbing thier healthcare into the premiums of THOSE WHO DO PAY FOR INSURANCE!!!

    We will ALL save HUGELY moving forward!!

    Thank you John Roberts and the Liberal Justices!

  • Chris

    If it is legitimate for the government to tax the people in support of health care; does this support the ‘right’ of the government to enact a universal health care plan? or does it merely say: The government can constitutionally tax people to support programs Congress has enacted?

  • Matt

    Next up….Single Payer:)

  • MrNutso

    The ever subtle Sarah Palin.

    • Bubba

      Does Sarah Palin have ” Blond” hair ???

      • Terry Tree Tree

        She impresses you as that smart?

  • cindy

    Every survey that I hear says that when Americans hear the specifics of the Act — no more pre-existing condition exclusions; children covered up to age 26 etc; then they are for those provisions even if they had thought they were opposed to the Act.  And, it is the private insurers who now come betweeen patients and their doctors. Medicare is great and seniors love it and medicare is the gov’t even if some people don’t realize that.  WHY don’t the dems say these simple things?

  • Ellen Dibble

    Cato is right, mandating Americans to purchase something with profit as part of it, it’s different from Social Security, which has not been privatized.  The law — if the “tax” on those who won’t buy private insurance were applied to a Medicare Part B “public option,” then private health care industry and insurance would have to compete with that system.
        THERE is the competition I’d like to see.  If somebody wants to make profit from my own health or that of people I love, or any citizen, I want it to be a choice.  I can choose the costly plan, or I can take the best we the People can offer.

    • HeidiFox

      Without reading the entire law, I don’t know the details of how the “penalty”, now ruled a tax, would be applied.  I hope that it is restricted to providing funds for healthcare and not private insurance!  

      I personally think single payer is better, because the administrative costs to providers has to be calculated into the costs of healthcare.  

      Improving the law may be in order, but for the, its constitutionality has been upheld.  Thank goodness!

  • Charlie

    Tom,

      How about we don’t worry what Palin has to say?

  • Gerald Fnord

    This will be good for Obama for the plain, if unpleasant, reason that lots of people prefer people who win—whatever, and however—to those who lose…and they tend toward the centre and the right.

  • Margaret

    I can’t think of anything I care less about, at this moment, than Sarah Palin’s opinion of this decision.

    • J__o__h__n

      But she is the expert on the death panels.

      • feettothefire

         The only thing Palin is an expert on is being dumb as soup.

        • J__o__h__n

          Thanks for refudiating me. 

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Sarah doesn’t like Death Panel EXECUTEives of insurance companies?

  • MrNutso

    Along with being a stealth Kenyan Obama also managed to create a stealth tax.

    • Pagassae

      Your avatar name is completely approptiate…  NUTS

      • MrNutso

        What our disfunctional government makes me.

  • feettothefire

    I live in Massachusetts. When Mitt Romney was our governor, he pushed through a healthcare law. I think the technical name of this legislation was “ROMNEYCARE.” Under this legislation every citizen of the state was mandated to buy insurance coverage. If we don’t buy it, we aren’t arrested. No one hauls us off to the pokey. We aren’t continuously badgered by government officials. We simply pay “higher” state income taxes. In other words, the net result of this decision applies the same logic to OBACARE as Mitt Romney so proudly applied to ROMNEYCARE. He considered it his signature achievement while in office as my governor. Now, of course, he uses the concept of “states rights” to explain his objection to the federal mandate. In other words, he simply can’t tell us the truth of what he believes. When we hear Romney criticize this decision on the healthcare mandate at the federal level, as we all know he will, while he just loved ramming it down the throats of me and my fellow citizens of Massachusetts, it will simply be more Mitt Romney Flip-Flopping garbage. Yeah, he’ll make a great president.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Obama could extend a branch in Congress and the voters on the Right by promoting the ability to buy insurance across state lines, PROVIDED the insurance guarantees certain minimum standards for providing healthcare, and not just a piece of paper that says, “I have insurance” but it’s insurance that barely covers a doctor telling someone to take two aspirin and call someone that cares in the morning.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Repeal isn’t possible, so long as there are at least forty-one Democrats in the Senate.  What could happen is a messy effort at defunding pieces.  We’re in for years of fights over this.

    • MrNutso

      If Republicans were to gain control of the Senate, they would immediately repeal the cloture rule to allow for a simple majority.

      • Ray in VT

        That might be the case.  Remember, the filibuster is a just a way for a tyrannical minority to impose it’s will on the majority, just so long as the Democrats are in the minority, otherwise it’s a bulwark of liberty.

  • Charlie

    Now we’ll see Romney change his tune, touting the what a great accomplishment Romneycare is in MA.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Romney would flip-flop?

  • jim

    I am so so HAPPY! 

    I really can’t believe Justice Roberts went to the liberal bench… and i expected Kennedy to be the one… but i am glad he did.

    to the people who wrote so many ridiculous comments about our President:
    this country has the rights to tax individuals.

    if you do not like being tax at all… i suggest you move somewhere else.

    this country has given so much benefit to corporations and business…

    FINALLY, we have one point for the avg joe in America.

    I strongly believe America will be strong and it will be stronger in 10 years with this legislation. remember my words.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      Our 15% cost of healthcare each year will reduce to 5% in the coming years We will not be far behind with Japan’s 3% annual cost of healthcare.

    • William

       So you agree the Federal government has the right to tax behavior?

      • jim

        sure… do you pay automobile insurance?

        that is a behaviour tax.

        • William

          No that is a requirement placed on me by the state.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You live in a state that doesn’t have a government?  The state of DeNile?

  • Greg

    Roberts went with the liberals because he is a corporatist!

    Wow. Are you people really so naive?

    The Obama Healthcare bill was  GIVE A WAY TO CORPORATIONS!

  • Bugsyboo

    People who are saying this is a tax increase are ignoring the fact they their taxes and their healthcare premiums are high because they’re paying for people who are uninsured. How do they think hospitals and clinics and insurance cos pay for the care of the uninsured? Under this reform, we will all pay less and we will all have access to care. That is the damn point!

  • HeidiFox

    We can’t have it both ways.  If we don’t want a health system funded by taxes, how do we pool resources to pay for healthcare?  Private health insurance premiums?  Private health insurance savings accounts?  Free care pools?  WHO PAYS?  

    The “mandate” is a market based construct desired by insurance companies to make private insurance companies competitive in the healthcare debate.  

    The policy implications may need tweeking, but let’s not confuse the constitutionality with the policy.

  • Witterquick

    The people that believe the Affordable Health Care Act is bad have taken everything Carl Rove and company have said as gospel, hook line and (stinker) sinker.  These people also, in a disparaging way, call it “Obama Care”.  Once the benefits of this act become more apparent to the general public, it will become more popular.  Then, those who were opposed will no longer call it Obama Care because that will not want to give him any credit.  Instead they will then start calling it by the correct name.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    Viva America!!!!!

    We spent a billion dollars each month for 10 years for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and Finally our money will be going to save LIVES instead of going to wars.

  • Donnatoner

    My name is Donna and I live in Massachusetts. I don’t have health care and have been fined for the last 2 years on my state taxes. When this health care mandate comes into effect will I also be fined on my federal taxes?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      How come you don’t have insurance? You can apply in Boston Medical Center or any State offices that handles health insurance.

      As far as I know Massachusetts will be affected probably a little compared to other States without Universal Healthcare. Did you pay on your State Tax $250 each year to cover the cost of being uninsured.

    • Pagassae

      If you do not have health insurance, and have the chance to get it, but choose not to, you are a fool.

  • 6363sip

    If the goverment can mandate car insurance, why not health insurance?
    Just wondering….

  • AndyF

    As Bugsyboo points out, we are ALREADY paying for healthcare for the uninsured – this is why I supported Prez Obama all the way on his plan.  What is however rather shocking to me is the ignorance of Republicans and especially Tea Party folks.  They simply DO NOT understand the point!  Last week I was debating this decision with a few Tea Party people and I said to them, Hey, you are ALREADY paying for the uninsured so this plan will HELP you, NOT HURT you.  Their response?  A flat denial that they are paying for the uninsured.  I told them, go ask your insurance provider!!!  No, “we know” they said “we are not paying and Obama the Socialist is simply taking over the country…”  So as much as I am very happy about today’s ruling, I am FAR more scared about the ignorance that Republicans and Tea Party folks seem to deeply embrace.  They trash Obama for the state of our country when really, it was George Bush (their beloved…) who ran up the debt.  And it is them paying RIGHT NOW for the uninsured.
     
    But then, if you stick your head in the sand, or insist that reality is not true – how do you ever argue, debate or even try to make sense to those kinds of people?!?!? 
     
    How?  Easy.  You remind them of a guy who promoted ignorance, lied to his people, and regularly back-stabbed his allies – a guy named Adolf Hitler.  They call Obama a Socialist?  Seems to me the biggest National Socialists in America today are the Republicans and especially their ignorant Tea Party wing.
     

  • Gregg

    O well, on to repeal.

    • Pagassae

      Dream on. You stand with the forces of darkness and reaction.

    • Roy Mac

      You realize, of course, that a bill to repeal can be vetoed?  Do you actually believe that 2/3 of both houses of Congress are in the pockets of Grover the Goon and the teabaggers?  The only reason Boner and McCornpone are frothing at their mouths is because they’re going to miss this month’s checks from the drug companies.

  • Bruce

    This week the purveyors of national chauvinism, religious orthodoxy, phobic racism and the politics of personal destruction (a.k.a. the Tea Party) attempted (apparently unsuccessfully) to commandeer SCOTUS in their effort to undermine ACA.  They have, however, succeeded so far in their preposterous contempt proceedings against the Atty. Gen.

    Those who apparently won in court today may now look forward to being free from the discrimination that used to be practiced everyday by insurance companies who, in the absence of an individual mandate, would have reverted back to denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, to imposing annual or lifetime benefit caps, and to cancelling coverage after a policyholder gets sick or injured. 

    Those who lost today include the medical monopolies, oligopolies and profiteers who evidently failed in spite of their entrenched power to preserve the pre-ACA status quo which can best be described as a national disgrace–a society where 40 million Americans are without access to health care.  Today’s ruling may allow the reform process to continue and for the U.S. to join every other industrialized, advanced country on earth that has figured out a way to provide health care as a human right while maintaining quality and controlling cost.  At least, now there is a chance to fix what any sane person would agree is our sick health care system, which is both morally indefensible and economically unsustainable.

    Whichever way SCOTUS had decided this case, I think the Reactionary Right, deployed against meaningful health care reform from day one, have been on the wrong side of history on this issue just as they were in our pre-emancipation, pre-universal suffrage, pre-Civil Rights bygone eras.  However, in order to ensure that they will not eventually prevail in their call to repeal ACA, the 99%ers will have to show up this November.   

    • Pagassae

      Excellent comment!

      • Bruce

        Thanks, I had to leave the conversation right after posting…I’m encouraged by many of the comments I’m reading. 

    • feettothefire

      Rest easy on the repeal issue. The Republican party will not get the sixty votes needed . Not any time soon, at least. If and when that happens, the American people will have moved on. Many of them will even have decided that healthcare isn’t such a horrible thing after all.

      • TFRX

        You and I know that.

        But it’s like them whining about the pittance to NPR, Amtrak or PP: We won’t be able to turn on the Evening News without the immediate echo from the shitstormers on the right infecting the mushy middle moderates.

        And as a media crit, anything that makes the mainstream media stupider makes governance harder.

    • joshua bigley

       i like what you are saying–but we are mandated to consume private insurance corporations who has one motive–to profit.  I will not pay into it.  i want to pay the people, the government–not profiteers and murderers.

      • Bruce

        If I understand the law correctly, in most states where these exchanges will be set up, the largest insurance company may be a non-profit.  You’ll be able to choose from a menu of plans offered by different companies, so you won’t necessarily wind up having to purchase a policy from a for-profit entity.

        I agree with the sentiment that single-payer in an ideal world would be the way to go–greater efficiencies, universal access, lower costs and high quality (judging from models from the most advanced corners of the globe). 

        All I’m saying is try to avoid making the ideal the enemy of the good. 

  • Gregg

    Look for stocks to plummet and the unemployment rate to rise on the announcement.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      Please it will go up

    • Pagassae

      Aww… cry me a river. So this means that the greedy on Wall Street and CEO suites are unhappy?  BFD May they all rot.

    • Sam Walworth

      Just like they had dropped when Bush was leaving office (the mourn of him NEVER been able to return as President again?)

    • jimino

       Why?  Can you provide some rational explanation for your prediction?

      • Gregg

        Obamacare is not business friendly. Businesses sure could have used some relief and now they won’t get it. I also think if it had been struck down, hiring and expansion would’ve began right away. We won’t know for sure until such time that it is repealed. 

    • jim

      i hope so… the rich should burden some pain as well.

      this market is SO SO overvalue… this market is so manipulative by corporate greed like JP Morgan and goldman. it is time for a big correction. i want to see CEOs and top executives feeling some pain in their stomach. 

      but i guess you don’t like the decision.. i do and i am elated from the outcome.

  • Bruce

    Please, not the “broccoli” canard again…so stupidly wrong on so many levels!

    • Roy Mac

      Oh, we know.  But it’s just so entertaining to watch Salia’s head explode!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    goodbye Medical Bankruptcy, goodbye Co-pays and gooodbye medical bills.

  • Kalewis

    If the Court held that the mandate is a tax, then has the Constitutionality of the mandate actually been decided? Under the Anti-Injunction Act of 1867, I thought a tax could not be held Constitutional (or not) until after it was collected. Is this not the case?

  • Tom in Vermont

    As a Brit it is laughable to say that this could allow the government will force you to buy broccoli or a car. Just naive and parochial thinking to say that.

  • feettothefire

    I’m not too crazy about this healthcare legislation. It deals almost exclusively with healthcare coverage, while doing little to deal with healthcare costs. I wish the administration had told the Tea Party geniuses to bugger off, and pursued single payer more vigorously. That would have addressed both coverage AND cost. But, at least this a start. It’s something, as opposed to nothing. But, I’m almost sorry the court upheld this. It would have been amusing watching the Republican Party bumble around trying to come up with their promised solution to the healthcare dilemma, while kissing the Tea Parties collective asses.

    • Bruce

      Yes, it would have been preferable to have kept the public option and even better to have designed a single-payer system from scratch…but I agree at least this is a start.  I’m of the opinion that we should accept the compromises that Obama’s hybrid reform entailed, and for now avoid making the ideal the enemy of the good.   

      We don’t have anything remotely like “government run healthcare”–a phrase with which the Far Right has tried in vain to smear ACA.  Other than some anemic proposals about medical savings accts. and tort reform, which have failed miserably to either expand access or restrain costs in those states where they have been adopted, the GOP leadership has no serious plan for “replacing” ACA with anything substantive.  They promise to “repeal” the current law, but the rest is just empty rhetoric. 

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Republicans have PLEDGED to KILL more U.S. Citizens, by fighting to REPEAL, or otherwise reject access to Health Care?
      REMEMBER THAT!
      EVERY Republican represents THAT attitude!  UNLESS they PLAINLY state othewise!  MOST will wiggle with things that sound right, but will NOT be?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C26XCINC2GQV7P4OLIXPCFSBQA Issues That Matter

    Two thoughts:

    1) If ACA = the biggest tax increase in history, then GOP must agree that Romney hit the State of MA with the biggest tax increase in history;
    2) I wonder if Roberts found a way to uphold the law out of fear of single-payer healthcare?

  • Pagassae

    This has made my day! I will also delight in the angst and bluster all the right wing republican nuts will endure today, and for a LONG time in the future. You greedy, out of touch people need to realize that YOUR WORLD IS OVER.

    Deal with it!

  • Guest

    If I choose not to buy broccoli, it does not increase the price of broccoli for those who do buy it… The exact opposite effect of not buying health insurance, which *does* increase the cost for those who do buy it.  This is because I will not some day have an urgent need for broccoli – the risk of which must be subsidized by broccoli buyers.  Please stop with this irrelevant analogy!

  • Terry Tree Tree

    EXECUTEives of insurance companies have KILLED a LOT of people, and MAIMED a LOT of people, with ‘pre-existing conditions’ that were questionable?  Those EXECUTEives PROFITED off those deaths?
       WILL EXECUTEives and others that have PROFITED from the current system RISK HALF the pay and benefits they have gotten in the last FIVE YEARS, to someone that can PROVE improvements to their system, that they were responsible to improve?

  • Catherine

    8 hours in the emergency room with surgery = $20,955.  My insurance charged $75.  I surely would have died without the surgery and can’t imagine paying that kind of bill if I didn’t have health insurance.  Today’s ruling is a win for all those who do not have access to health insurance.

    • feettothefire

       If you hadn’t had insurance, the Tea Party wiz-kids would have told you to simply “pick yourself up by your bootstraps,” because it’s not their job to give a damn about whether you live or die.

      • Roy Mac

        Maybe we could have Ron Paul sign in on this issue again?

  • Sytelic

     By making the health care penalty a tax the supreme court have allowed this to be revisited. Taxes can be challenged once they become payable, not before.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    It disgusted me to see people against this Act.

    I don’t make a lot of money but I am willing to help those people who are less unfortunate than me.

    To those people who never complain paying for the 10 year wars and now complaining about saving lives is plain evil.

  • mary elizabeth

    The saddest thing is that this country is still grappling with this in the 21st century;generations have attempted this.  It is far from ideal, but is a first step.  Other nations have put this behind them
    long ago.   

    • feettothefire

      Other nations long ago came to the obvious conclusion that universal healthcare was of great benefit to any society. To them, it’s no different than the need for law enforcement, national defense, or a decent infrastructure. All of those things benefit the nation as a whole. To conservatives in this country, healthcare has always been more a matter of money than national good. In Europe, Canada, and even some third world countries, the belief that a healthy populace, free of the ruinous effects of the kind of healthcare delivery system we have here, is a natural evolution for any modern civilization. All conservatives in this country care about is the cost and “keeping things the same.” It’s what Conservatism means. Never change. “If it was good enough for the Pilgrims, it’s good enough for me.”

      • Roy Mac

        Good insight; I would only amend it to read, “…good enough for YOU.”

        • feettothefire

           Thanks for the edit. It makes the line much more accurate. Unfortunately.

      • Bruce

        Well framed.  Someone once said that there were two types of populism that arise when major social or economic change is taking place.  The first seeks to restore an older, sometimes mythical, yearned-for order.  That would be your Tea Party Conservatives who seem frozen in a Back-to-the-Future posture.

        The other populism informed by Progressive ideals focuses on the Future in a different way by  embracing a new social order through transformation as opposed to restoration.  While Obama seems overly cautious at times, I think he could still become a transformative figure if given the opportunity and majorities in both Houses.   

  • Rhodes

    How tiresome it is to hear Scalia and his acolytes argue that health care is not what the founders would have done.  Scalia has no more idea what the founders would have done with these complex questions than adams off ox.  This originalist argument is just an excuse for Scalia to push his own right wing agenda.

    • jimino

      That those Italian Catholic and African American members of the Supreme Court so in love with “originalism” are the type of people the founding fathers couldn’t have fathomed being in any position of power is supremely ironic.

      • JGC

        Great reply! (I want to hit the “like” button, but DISQUS is not cooperating with me today.)

  • Josh

    I agree with one of your panelists. Supporters of this law must temper their celebrations and indeed the entire the country. This is a sad day for America. It shows the struggles of an elected president dragged into having to defend every of his policies because of the color of his skin. The whole world is not blind, we can see the racial dimension of this congress, of this high court and indeed of this country. It’s is transparent in the intransigence of the republican party and the need for a president of color to have to fight all the way to the highest court for all his policies. Shame on Mitch McConnell, Shame on Eric Cantor, Shame on the republicans. They are the champions of a past this country should have moved past and precisely because it hasn’t, is evidence of a country in decline. Kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall. This dysfunctional government is America’s demise.

    • Guest

      You are a racist.  When the policies of President Bush were criticized, was it because of the color of his skin?  My guess is that your answer is “no,” it was perfectly legitimate to disagree and offer a dissenting opinion on President Bush’s policies.  Yet you say if the president is black, his policies and vision are to be accepted without dissent because to do so is racist.  When you promote this double standard, it makes YOU the racist.

    • Pagassae

      Love to play the race card, don’t ya.

    • Zero

      FDR had it worse.  

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Mitch McConnell, Eric Cantor, and ALL ‘Good Conservatives’ should IMMEDIATELY Pay BACK ALL health-care costs they have incurred on the MANDATED Tax-payer supplied plan that THEY and their cronies have received, PLUS Interest PLUS Penalties for FRAUD!

    • jimino

      I have written my Republican Congressional representatives and senator and asked them to lead the way by rejecting their government-employer-group insurance and go out on the free market they so worship and buy an individual family policy, subject to limitations for pre-existing conditions inherent in such policies, then publicly report to their constituents how that works for them and their families.  Everyone should call upon these unprincipled hypocrites to put their money and their family’s health care where their big mouths are.

  • Sam Walworth

    I cannot get understand the people against Individual Mandate.

    If an uninsured person goes to ER (due to lack of preventative care) and if that tab is actually picked by all the insured people and from the tax payer dollars, isnt it?

    So we already have a Universal Care, however only in its Most Expensive form (ER is very expensive and condition generally the medical condition has worsened by the time person goes to ER ).

    So when we are already paying for it, indirevtly why not make it simpler by mandating Insurance on the general population?

    We are paying for everyone’s health care, directly or indirectly, and making it direct makes it bit more easier and visible, and will in the long run bring the cost down (by allowing more access to the people who will now have Health Insurance)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      You get billed first and if you can afford to pay it you will have to Apply for Free Care. The State pays the portion of the bill to Hospitals. Money is coming from the tax payers

      it is not Really Free. I

      • Sam Walworth

        Exactly my point.. its not free and its from Tax Dollars and mostly in the most expensive form.

        So, there is already an Individual Mandate, in its most expensive form.

        So why we are against it?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

          They listen to the people who are lying to their teeth.

        • feettothefire

          You’re asking a lot of dumbos to comprehend something more complex than a soundbyte, when they’re much more responsive to idiocy like “Death panels.” I say give it up. In a country full of people who think Sarah Palin is impressive, expecting something as deep as comprehension is a waste of time.

          • jefe68

            Sad but true. Read William’ comments above, amazing.

    • William

       I oppose the individual mandate because it opens the door for government to tell you to buy a product because  someone in government has determined you need to buy it. So for example, the Dept. Of Labor determines everyone should buy Unemployment Insurance to cover themselves for 99 weeks it can do that according to the courts. Additionally, the Dept. of Labor can say everyone needs to buy Workman’s Comp. insurance too. Where does it stop?

      • feettothefire

        Come up with some better examples. Firstly,  Cabinet departments don’t make laws. And Liability for injuries in the workplace lies with the employer, just as my homeowner’s insurance covers people who come on my property. They don’t have to buy insurance to cover themselves for injury every time they come into my home. I provide that coverage. And no one is going to change coverage for unemployment from government and employers to individuals. That’s as silly as the broccoli argument.

        • William

           HHS does and if you read the Obama Care act, HHS has more power than Congress. Where does it say the owner should have to pay? It’s not fair. And after all, it is about being fair. Even Obama said this about medical insurance. Using his example, we all have to buy car insurance. Now we all have to have medical insurance. It is only fair and the courts have made this way of thinking legal.

          • feettothefire

            The mortgage agreement is where it says the owner should have to pay. My, oh my. Imagine that. Big business forcing people to buy homeowner’s insurance. Damn socialists.

      • Sam Walworth

        William,

        I hear your point, that Govt is telling / Forcing us to buy something, which otherwise should have been dictated by market.

        Tell me something, the fundamental reason behind Insurance is to Pool The Risk, and works much better if more and more people are enrolled not just sick and dying.

        Hence, the only way to ensure that everyone who is uninsured and cannot afford to pay, shows up at the ER, money can be taken from the Insurance Money which the govt is mandating us to buy.

        Secondly, even for the healthy people, the larger the pool the better premiums for everyone.. isnt it?

        So, when everyone’s risk and health is at stake, I believe its ok (yes, in circumstances like this) for Govt to step in and put a mandate on individual.

        I will look forward for your point of view.

        • William

          I think the idea behind the individual mandate is to gain power for members of Congress and not solve the problem of rising medical care costs.

          If having a big pool of insured medical customers Medicare and Medicaid would be the customer that is in high demand. But they are not and there are a growing number of doctors that won’t take customers from those two medical insurance pools. We are talking millions of customers, millions, and yet, many have a problem finding a doctor.

           So expanding the pool does not matter to the supplier (Medical Industry) unless the pool pays what they determine is the cost of the service or product…drugs etc… We tried expanding the pool 40 years ago with HMO’s and while they have worked in some areas, to many people, they have failed. So it is well documented that expanding the pool does little to lower the cost of medical care.

           So, how would you get the medical industry to lower the cost?

          • Bruce

            The individual mandate doesn’t address the cost issue directly, but it does give the ins. cos. the wherewithal to implement the reforms we all want to see–an end to cancellations due to illness and accident, an end to exclusions due to pre-existing conditions, and an end to caps on annual or lifetime benefits.  Also, patients will see limits on their out-of-pocket expenses and will receive mandated “wellness” care (reg. check-ups, screenings and preventive services).

            It is well documented that “wellness” care not only improves treatment outcomes, but to the extent that patients who have access to primary care and preventive services are kept healthier, they will demand and consume less medical resources, thereby, helping to bring down costs.  There are other ACA programs built on the concept of “wellness” that have the effect of tying healthcare provider reimbursement to value as opposed to volume of services with the potential for further bending the cost curve downward.

            In addition, ACA eliminates subsidies for Medicare Advantage to private ins. cos. since actuarial data show no measurable improvement in the health status of patients with Medicare Advantage over those with Regular Medicare only. 

            Another way ACA will lower cost is by limiting reimbursement of providers for re-admits or tests and procedures that are repeated due to preventable medical errors.

            ACA also identifies potentially significant cost savings that can be achieved thru information sharing made possible by electronic records and data systems that will reduce duplication of tests and procedures.

            Moreover, a part of ACA, as I understand it, would promote the standardization of insurance forms and procedures which could result in surprisingly significant cost savings.

            Lastly, ACA provides for further development of evidenced-based medicine which utilizes data bases featuring random, double-blind trials and other comparative effectiveness studies, the application of which could dramatically improve the quality and reduce the cost of health care.

            Maybe the above list contains a few of the factors that went into the calculation of the CBO and JCT when they gave a favorable score to ACA’s impact on the trajectory of the cost curve and predicted ACA would contribute to a REDUCTION in the Fed. budget deficit over the next 10 years.

          • William

            “Wellness care” is a real profit generator for doctors. Information sharing does nothing to make medical care more affordable and is just a gift to companies that provide the software/hardware for those services. Obama care will make doctors step back from it because they don’t like to be questioned on their care. Making forms all the same accomplishes to reduce the cost of care.

            The problem of “who pays” is getting more to the front of Obama-Care.

            It would be interesting to see if all the Obama Care waivers will stay or go away? The state of Nv. received a wavier but will they get to keep it.

            Also, Obama won’t be able to beat the states into covering the increased Medicaid costs which is a big part of Obama Care.

          • Roy Mac

            Sam asked you a pretty straight-forward question.  You don’t really have the vaguest understanding of insurance, do you?

          • William

            You don’t have any original thoughts do you?

          • jefe68

            You have just proved you’re not interested in debating this at all. You only want to puff up your right wing chest and blow off a whole lot of bull.

      • J__o__h__n

        The government already requires employers to pay for unemployment insurance.  Workers comp was created to protect employers from tort suits from injured employees.  The government isn’t going to use this decision to do either of these things. 

        • William

          So some business group gets their Congress man to tell Dept. of Labor to write a new regulation that the employee must pay for their own insurance. Call it a tax, wham, done deal. Just ask Justice Roberts.

      • Pagassae

        With being forced to buy broccoli, and summer squash. Your argument is as nonsensical as the fool Scalia.

        • William

          I think my argument is above your head.

          • Pagassae

            Dude, I think you are from another planet. Normal human logic seems to short circuit your mind completely. As I have told you before: 2&2 is 4. Got it? Now…thats better.

          • William

            You live in some sort of dream world where you are always right and the rest of the world is wrong. Eventually, even you have to come out into the sunlight. Got it? Bud?

        • Conner44

          You’re funny.  A pathetic loser, but funny.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Your church has BIG PROBLEMS, that YOU should be FIXING, NOT HIDING!

      • jefe68

        You are aware that right now the uninsured are costing about $1000 a year per person who pays for health insurance. You might want to get some better info on how UI works and who pays for it.
        You’re so wrong it’s not even funny.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    WHO has heard Mitch McConnell’s Alternative?   Eric Cantor’s?   Grover Norquist’s?  John Boehner’s?
       Republicans have had WELL over 60 years to present a ‘BETTER alternative’, and have presented WHAT?

    • Pagassae

      Those theives (McConnell, Cantor, Boehner) have to wait to be told what to say by thier real bosses….corporate lobbyists.  You know, the people who PAY OFF THESE CORRUPT SOBs.

  • Adrian from RI

    In the 2005 case of “Kelo v. City of New London” the Supreme Court decided that private property rights are not an Inalienable Right.

    The Supreme Court should have decided in favor of the separation of state and medical care. Instead, in upholding Obamacare, the Politburo again confirmed that politicians can abuse our Inalienable Rights whichever way they please. 

  • Realindysaint

    I am sick of hearing how many oppose this bill. They oppose the mandate, but they also oppose the old system. And since Republicans oppose anything he does, the polls are skewed.
    Those who continue to believe this will backfire on Obama are nuts

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    Romney is LYING again in television. What a shame for Republicans!!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      But Obama contradicted him.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    RomneyCare PASSED the Supreme Court!
       Mitt is against RomneyCare?

    • feettothefire

       But he’ll only be against it until he’s for it. Then he’ll be against it again. Until he’s for it and,…… Oh, never mind.

    • TomK in Boston

      Of course, romney hates romneycare :)

      Even funnier, justice Ginzburg gave Etchasketch the credit he deserves:

      “Massachusetts, Congress was told, cracked the adverse selection problem. By requiring most residents to obtain insurance … the Commonwealth ensured that insurers would not be left with only the sick as customers. As a result, federal lawmakers observed, Massachusetts succeeded where other States had failed.In coupling the minimum coverage provision with guaranteed  issue and community-rating prescriptions, Congress followed Massachusetts’ lead.”

      That’s it, Etcha. You are wetting your panties because the Extreme Court followed your lead. These people are unbelievable. 

      They will continue to call Obama’s baby step – when we really need single payer – as “a total gvt takeover”. That’s a good trick, when private insurers, private doctors, private pharma and private device makers still run the system. But the right has no interest in truth, only in redistributing wealth to the top.

      Now that Roberts said the Romney “mandate” is OK as a tax, they are howling about a “massive tax increase”, while they all voted for the Ryan class warfare budget which gives seniors a groupon which will not cover their costs with the predatory insurers. The difference between the ryan groupon and the bill at WellPoint dwarfs the size of the “mandate” or “tax” that a tiny fraction will pay, but they have no interest in that cost shift.

      Total class warrior scum.

      • William

        But the lack of a approved budget from Obama after 3 years in office indicates a person that can’t deal with people unless he gets his way.

        • Zero

          He gave Boahner “98%” of what he wanted.  Republicans are clearly the autocrats of Washington.

    • Pagassae

      Romney is both for, and against everything, while he stands for NOTHING.

  • Wavre

    The public is being played one more time. 

    Obamacare is a Bonanza for The for profit health care industry. The highest Court took all of us in this kabuki theater, where the outcome was already guaranteed and determined. 

    We have been denied universal coverage as well as public option but here we are chanting victory at this court decision. a High Court stuffed with the most corporate and bias Judges never assembled will always protect the statu quo. 

    It was a useless and pernicious judicial endevour aimed to deceive the general public in need of affordable  health care for all.The joke is on us once again.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      There is only one party that played AMERICA for a very very long time that is the Republican Party.

      Where you out of the country when Bush was President? if you did, you missed a lot of happenings

      The Patriot Act, 2 wars,Banks failed, unemployment, etc etc

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    The Social Security Act, Pub.L. 74-271, 49 Stat. 620, enacted August 14, 1935, now codified as 42 U.S.C. ch.7, was a legislative act which created the Social Security system in the United States.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      That was 1935 and now 2012

      The American Affordable Health Care Act by Obama

  • Fala

    How will this effect illegal immigrants? How will they be taxed for not having coverage? Do the same requirements apply to them?
    What happens when they go to the emergency room to have
    a baby? Are they refused and if the baby is delivered without coverage….who pays for that?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      GOOD QUESTIONS!

    • Sofia

      You are already paying for it in the form of higher health insurance premiums. The Affordable Care Act puts more people into the insurance pool, so the overall costs will be lower. The freeloaders who don’t pay now (“I never get sick”) but go to the ER when their car crashes are sticking us with the bills as we speak. Single payer would be better, but Pres. Obama’s health plan is a major step in the right direction.

  • Michiganjf

    I LOVE IT!

    Republicans now want to bellyache that the Affordable Care Act is a “tax.”

    Well, since the bill is essentially a Republican brainchild, which they turned on simply because Obama now champions it, I GUESS WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS THIS IS SIMPLY ONE MORE REPUBLICAN TAX!!!

    • feettothefire

       Many people here love to provide an endless number of “links” to news pieces, editorials, Op Eds, and videos which support their case. No matter how many links we may provide to written pieces and videos of Republicans such as Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich extolling the virtues of mandated healthcare, they’re still going to insist it was an Obama inspired policy. I don’t understand. They want to convince everyone that they have good ideas, but when the Democratic president signs on, it becomes some kind of Socialist/Communist/Big Gummint outrage. It would seem they only believe in whatever suits them politically at any given time, which means they don’t believe in anything.

      • Michiganjf

        They believe in fattening their own wallets once they’re in position to sell off their votes to the highest bidder… that’s the ONLY reason anyone seems to get into politics ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

    • Conner44

      Well that’s what SCOTUS said it was, a tax.

  • Pagassae

    It will be very much fun to see what LIES, that professional LIAR, Romney tells to get around this one, and his IDENTICAL mandate in MA.

    Of course the amnesia stricken fools on the republican right will pretend to know nothing & see nothing. Which proves that they THINK NOTHING either.

  • Zero

    Somebody should ask Romney if he’ll replace Obamacare with Romneycare.

    • TomK in Boston

      Romney thought Romneycare was the great accomplishment that would make him president.  He sure didn’t do anything else as gov. Since Romneycare was straight out of the Heritage Foundation and Newt Gingrich, as the alternative to single payer that enforced personal responsibility, it must have never occurred to him that it would be toxic with the TeaOP when his time came. 

      So, what does he do? We all know that Romney is Etchasketch, a man with “no core” who any chameleon would envy, but ranting against his own plan really takes it to a new level. We are in the presence of greatness.

      • Roy Mac

        Willard still doesn’t get it; he thinks he’s running for king.  Ann thinks she’ll get to be queen.

        It’s like Ann Richards said:  “Mitt was born on 3rd base and he thinks he hit a triple.”

        • TomK in Boston

          I know a lot of privileged individuals who think they “did it all themselves”. Etcha probably thinks his success as a financial con man had nothing to do with having a wealthy governor for a father. 

          • Pagassae

            Or Mormon Church connections and money.

      • William

        Don’t you think Obama’s constantly evolving positions on gay marriage indicates a lack of “core” beliefs? Then Obama goes crazy after losing the Az case and directs DHS not to work with Az law enforcement agencies.

        • mary elizabeth

          I myself have evolved on positions re: gay marraige after knowing couples and also  children of lifelong friends  who I’ve know all their lives being gay. 
          The rest of your statement is quite a stretch of imagination.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          TOOOO EASY!!

        • Zero

          Yeah, Obama has always supported marriage equality, but didn’t when he ran for president due to popular opinion.  Romney supported healthcare, but stopped when Obama passed his brain-child and it became massively unpopular amongst republican circles.

          Both men should stand by what is right, no matter what the polls say.  The latter of your comment is just stupid.

          • William

            Obama opposed gay marriage in 2004 when he was running for the Senate. 

          • Zero

            He was also for it in the 1990s.

          • 2trudells

            You’ve got to love these politicians who pretend to experience great epiphanies in their fifties and sixties. These great personal evolutions always seem to occur in election years. I knew how I felt about evry significant social, political, and philosophical issue when I was twenty-five. No middle-age epiphanies yet.

          • 2trudells

            When was the last time you saw a politician stand by what was right? That’s a long gone notion from days gone by. Politics is nothing more than pure calculation now. What puzzles me is why anyone would want to get involved . If you can’t say what you really believe, and you can’t vote one way or the other without weighing the political consequences, what’s the point? “I want to get into politics so I can pretend to believe in whatever the majority of the public believes?” Maybe they just like the great healthcare benefits.   

          • Zero

            It’s hard to say.  I think that corruption has something to do with it.  I imagine if there wasn’t so much money in politics, politicians can speak their ideas without an onslaught of ads and Fox News and MSNBC deriding it, which would leave the ideas to be fought out on debate stages and public forums. 

            I think Obama would win over the public and change the pulls if he gave more speeches and constantly hammered republicans and republicanism, and pushed his policy.  There’s only so much Fox News could distort. 

            I really don’t know.  I think every liberal-progressive is awaiting a democrat who will fight like a republican (except for voter suppression and eliminating laws that restrict political corruption). 

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Priests don’t want to marry their VICTIMS?

      • Pagassae

        We are in the presence of a great liar (Romney)  And not much else. An empty suit, plastic, a liar, draft doger, a complete fraud, a front man for the corporate class. A hired stooge.

        • TomK in Boston

          Yes, great liar, great chameleon, great hypocrite.  Goebbels is smiling in hell over how well his lessons have been learned. 

          You realize, everything he is ranting about as tax increasing, job killing, big gub’mint etc is WHAT HE DID HIMSELF in MA.

          I am in awe. We will not see his like again.

  • JGC

    DISQUS is not responding to my clicks on the “like” button this afternoon. But I appreciate a lot of what you all are saying.

    • Pagassae

      I think all of the hot gas coming from the right’s LOSS today in the SCOTUS is screwing it up because it does not work for me either.

  • DtheSeer

    Just wait people till Obamacare comes and bites you in the butt, and it will come, mark my words.
    You folks bought into a lie.
    Obamacare was sold to you as a ” individual mandate” and not a tax!
    Dems. stated it was not a tax.
    This program sold it as not a tax.
    Obama is on tape stating this would not be a tax!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgBzmoo9izw
    You people bought into it as not a tax but!!! a individual mandate!
    The ruling today stated Obamacare can go forward because the individual mandate is wrong under the commerce clause but it is okay as a tax.
    Obama comes on the air praising the decision, so he agrees with the court that it is a TAX!
    So! what do we say now????? In theory, Obama lied to you, the Dems. lied to you, this program continued the lie.
    What do we get now????
    The Affordable Health Care Law, the largest single TAX INCREASE on the American public in history!
    You can laugh at me and call me a dumb conservative all you want, but! mark may words…..I will live to say I TOLD YOU SO!!

    • MrBrenton

       DtheSeer, while I understand the constitutional difference between Congress demanding that I pay a tax vs Congress demanding I pay a fine, I fail to see the practical difference.  So the President saw it as a fine and the court sees it as a tax, I either have to pay it or I don’t.  It doesn’t matter if it’s a tax or a fine, it’s the same to me either way.  So, why is this distinction so important to you?

      • DtheSeer

        The distinction is that WE will now pay more our of our dying paychecks for another Govt. program that will, as the CBO now states, cost way more than they promised. Who do think will payoff this monsterous debt we have??? Me and YOU, and either you have tons of cash or you love to give the govt. your hard earned money. Sit down and figure out what precentage you are paying for ALL taxes. Mine is around 50%!!!!!!
        Here is the extras you will pay under Obamacare.
        http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-obamacare-a5758
        Government is getting bigger and thus will require more of our money.
        You think only the rich will pay, get ready middleclass. My healthcare insurance has already jumped thanks to this law. Did you think insurance Co. were going to let our children up to 26 ride without a increase!
        The distinction will become clearer with the passage of time!

        • Bruce

          That would be the “monstrous debt” that Bush and his cronies amassed undoubtedly with the blessings of small govt., liberty loving types like yourself who were more than happy to tolerate or ignored it for eight years. Your obsession with taxes seems as irrational as your crystal ball predictions. If Obama’s first term is any indication, working and middle-class folks can be assured that the insidious tax man is not targeting them.  In his first term, Obama actually cut taxes more than Bush II did in the first term.  ARRA contained a variety of tax credits that benefited virtually every single household and a wide array of businesses totaling $243 billion thru 2012.  The Dec. 2010 tax deal extended the Bush tax cuts and alt. min. tax relief, and cut payroll taxes paid by workers.  All told, Obama cut $654 billion while Bush II cuts in the first four years amounted to $474 billion. 

          Of course, the main difference between the two tax cutting policies is that the Bush’s cuts were heavily skewed toward the wealthy while Obama’s were targeted to the middle-class.

          If you’re not among the 1-10%ers, I wouldn’t lose too much sleep tonight gazing into your crystal ball or navel.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      ALL the Republican Congressmen that voted for it, voted for a tax INCREASE?
         HOW MANY took Norquist Pledge ABOVE Oath to U.S.?

    • Bruce

      The liars in the room aren’t “the Dems, Obama or this program.”  The disseminators of the BIG LIE were the GOP state attys. and govs. that instigate this sham  lawsuit knowing full well that the idea of an individual mandate originated within their own Party and their court challenges amounted to a cynical attempt to grab power and whip up anti-government paranoia without any regard for the integrity of the judicial branch of govt.

    • JGC

       And here is what I ask you to consider, DtheSeer: 

      How does the treatment of Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes come into play in the healthcare system?  Is treatment only for those fortunate enough to have access to employer paid healthcare, and to those who survive to retirement age (being pushed up towards age 70) who can go on Medicare at that point?

      Employer-paid retirement and healthcare is rapidly an anachronism of the 20th century.  But the rest of us live and get ill and die in the 21st. 

    • 2trudells

      I guess you sure know how to spell the word tax.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      The Corporate side of ACA, will BITE!

  • feettothefire

    It’ll be a hoot watching Romney spend the next four months bobbing and weaving on the issue of mandated healthcare. Jimmy Kimmel, David Letterman, Colbert, and SNL ought send SCOTUS thank you notes. It’ll also be fun watching the conservatives on this forum tell us how a Romney healthcare mandate differs from an Obama healthcare mandate and why they’re so supportive of a man who told six million Massachsetts residents to buy health insurance, or else.

    • DtheSeer

      The difference is Romney’s was a state only experiment, affecting only that state. Obama’s is a national mandate that affects everyone. It will be tragic to watch the liberals years from now when Obamacare shows it’s ugly side and the cost skyrocker. I want even waste my time saying I told you so.

      • feettothefire

        I couldn’t have asked for a weaker argument. It’s fine for a Republican governor to impose mandated healthcare, as long as it’s only on SIX MILLION people. Are you trying to claim that Republicans would be just fine with governors across the land mandating healthcare coverage for their state residents? Or is it only a good idea for Republican governors? I keep hearing Republicans from every corner say “government has no business forcing the people to buy anything.” I guess they make an exception for Massachusetts.  That argument seems like a big load of crap to me. And as I say, it will be fun watching Romney make a boob of himself every time he tries to say the word “mandate” in his criticism of Obama’s healthcare.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Broccoli is GOOD for you!  MOST that ‘dislike’ it, haven’t tried it, or are BurgerBabies?

  • Maria

    I cannot believe that Judge Roberts sided with the Dems…  but I love to have him on their side.
    Healthcare reform will have a huge impact on my small business and my personal life.  Not to mention the lives of millions of americans that will have the freedom to switch jobs because they will be able to purchase their own healthcare at affordable prices. 
    Thanks to all those who have worked hard to make this possible!

    • Gregg

      IMHO, the liberal votes were never in play. The conventional wisdom was conservative Kennedy was the “swing” vote. It turned out to be Roberts. Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsburg and Breyer were always in the bag.

      • JGC

        And why would Chief Justice Roberts not also have been “in the bag”?,  but for the Republican side?  It is mystifying to me, but there must be a long game he is playing to justify his response.  I have to wonder if there was a trade-off between Roberts and Kennedy to get to this moment.  (Some say it is to trap Obama with a “No Taxes” pledge).  The NPR Supreme Court analyst, Nina Totenberg, said she never heard this type of ruling as a possibility with any of her contacts, ever.

        Or maybe he just believes that all Americans are deserving of health care coverage.Guess we’ll have to wait for the Roberts  autobiography in 30 years or so.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Maybe an attempt to make up for ‘Citizens United’, which should read ‘Corporations Unlimited’?

    • JGC

      I agree in that I always saw this as a win for small businesses.  If you are trying to get a small business underway, why would you want the healthcare of employees to distract from the business plan?  On the other hand, if you are a prospective employee, why do you want to be trapped into an employment that is not your creative priority, but just a portal to healthcare?

  • Zero

    You know how Obamacare polls negatively in the abstract, yet the individual components are broadly supported.  Well, the Obama campaign should run an ad about all those individual components Romney has promised to repeal. 

    “Mitt Romney promises to repeal a law that prevents insurance companies from dropping cancer patients.”  

  • JGC

    It seems really quiet out there tonight.  Is it because everyone is tuning in to CNN and FOX News to get the latest (even though they were both in abject FAIL mode this morning)?

  • joshua bigley

    it is not a tax!  i will not pay, nor will i pay a penalty–I will NOT pay private corporations!  And this one more needle in the haystack of mandated fascism.

    I want to pay a tax for national health care–not into the greedy coffers of corporations–this is NOT a tax!

    I have just been made mandatory consumer of private corporations–this is no different than making ma a mandatory consumer of MacDonald and coke–water is now ruled illegal and forbidden–all consumers will now buy Coke at thrice the price or be  incarcerated! 

    Furthermore–you are no longer citizens–you are consumers.. Anyone speaking the blasphemy of ‘citizen’ by the people–will be prosecuted and water-boarded in foreign black prisons by Mubarak. 

    Give me natinal health care!!–not enforced consumerism–private insurance agencies are a worthless lying deceitful scam and a fraud that helps none–in fact private insurance is a death panel.

    I am not tea party or republican or libertarian–i am independent green progressive if i am anything. 

    I have just been made a criminal–because i will go to jail before i support private corporations in death panels.

    Obama is nothing more than a corporate shill–a fascist and a murderer–he long ago joined the ranks of Bush and Cheney and kim jong il and Mussolini.

    • JGC

      Sore winner.

  • josh

    please!!!!!!! let the government run health-care–just say no to corporate-care!

    • JGC

      Talk to Vermonters, because Governor Shumlin is focussed on a single-payer health care plan, unlike what is being openly discussed in other states.

  • Paxtriot

    Whatever happens to the law, we need to give credit to Chief Judge Roberts for raising above the politics and upholding the Constitution. 

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