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Week In The News: Gay Marriage, Bomber Nabbed, France Votes

President Obama backs gay marriage. Big elections shake Europe. A double-agent and Al Qaeda. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind on the headlines.

Sen. Richard Lugar leaves following a concession speech Tuesday, May 8, 2012, in Indianapolis. Lugar lost his Republican Senate primary on Tuesday to state Treasurer Richard Mourdock. (AP)

Sen. Richard Lugar leaves following a concession speech Tuesday, May 8, 2012, in Indianapolis. Lugar lost his Republican Senate primary on Tuesday to state Treasurer Richard Mourdock. (AP)

Crowded house this week in the news. European voters kicked it off with a bang and a “no” to austerity. President Obama kicked it up big with a “yes” to gay marriage, and a whole new election angle is born. We’ve got bloody mayhem in Syria. The august Republican moderate Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana, out, to a Tea Party man.

A double agent with a scary new bomb out of Al Qaeda land. Mitt Romney wrestling with bullying charges from 1965. And JP Morgan loses billions betting risky – faster than you can say “bail-out.”

This hour, On Point: our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Major Garrett, White House correspondent for National Journal.

Mona Charen, syndicated columnist and political analyst

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

New York Times “President Obama’s decision to endorse same-sex marriage undoubtedly entails some political risk, but recent polls suggest that public opinion is increasingly on his side.”

Foreign Policy “But just how significant is Lugar’s loss? Does it really signify something more than the defeat of an octogenarian who had worn out his welcome with a state he has not resided in since 1977?”

The Washington Post “Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn’t having it.”

In Memoriam: Where The Wild Things Are

Check out this funny photo of the president reading from the late Maurie Sendak’s classic children’s book, “Where the Wild Things Are.”

President Barack Obama, accompanied by first lady Michelle Obama, and first dog Bo, reads "Where the Wild things Are" during the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, Monday, April 9, 2012, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. Author Maurice Sendak died this week. (AP)

President Barack Obama, accompanied by first lady Michelle Obama, and first dog Bo, reads "Where the Wild things Are" during the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, Monday, April 9, 2012, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. Author Maurice Sendak died this week. (AP)

Mitt Romney’s Past

Here’s a photo of presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney in high school.

Mitt Romney's high school yearbook photo. (AP)

Mitt Romney's high school yearbook photo. (AP)

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  • Roy Mac

    We’ll need to hear the program.  I disagree with both Major and Mona, but at least Major Garrett is intellectually honest–cannot say the same for Charen.

    This might be a good, lively conversation, but it’s hard to give any credence to anyone’s high school behavior as an indicator of suitability.  Especially when there is so much more credible evidence to the contrary.

    • Lin

       I agree. Mona’s on. Groan. More hack drivel.

    • Don_B1

      When the type of behavior has resonance in behaviors being shown today, it does give further insight into how a person will behave in future situations.

      Bullying almost requires the lack of empathy that is at the root of understanding the human condition. If you do not understand how others think and feel, you will not support policies that can get them to support your ideas.

      Mitt Romney has shown the ability to get people who have the same goals as he does (get rich) to work together; but he has shown little ability to get people with diverse goals to work together. That is most evident in his work as Governor of Massachusetts. His one significant achievement was the passage of Romneycare, but both parties wanted to achieve a reworking of the healthcare system because of the rising costs that were threatening to bring the system to a collapse.

      • JGC

        Just saw your post. It really provides a window into Mr. Romney’s motivations and his history of puzzling off-key comments.

    • Hidan

      Your right about Major Garrett and though I often disagree with him he does bring something to Onpoint.

      Mona on the other hand constantly makes partisan hack statements and often racist/bigoted ones to bat. According to Tom and his Onpoint blogs he doesn’t accept or want racist/bigots as guest or callers yet here we have a example of him inviting such a vile women on.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Isn’t it a precursor to the activity of Bain Capital?  Look for financially weak companies, buy in, FORCE them to load with debt, so Bain can TAKE PROFIT, then Bain leaves company to sink or swim WITH debt, and WITHOUT money Bain took?  Financial bullying?

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  • aj

    Short J.P.Morgan at 9:30 am sharp.

    • JGC

      JPMorgan stress test, take two, testing, testing, one, two, three…Hello?  Anybody there?  Dimon?  Geithner? Hello?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Would, but I couldn’t afford their stock, to begin with!

  • Zero

    I just read the recent Mona article.  She wrote this:

    “Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., called the Defense of Marriage Act “a stain on our democracy.”

    To be sure, there is overheated language among some opponents of gay marriage as well, though not among the leadership.”

    To be sure, when rights are granted to two consenting adults and denied to two other consenting adults–that is a stain on our democracy.  It’s not overheated if it is the truth.  The only thing republicans and republican leadership has done is turn a segment of American citizens into subforms of human beings. 

    Democracy is when everybody has equal rights and equal power of voice.  It is surprising how many people don’t know what democracy is. 

    • jefe68

      There was a time in this nation when Blacks and Whites could not marry or have civil unions. This seems to be in the same vain of a civil rights. The GOP is going down a path of extremism that is kind of scary.

      Greene County, Virginia Republican Committee and it included a column
      titled “Whitehouse Watchdog” written by editor Ponch McPhee. In the
      column, Mcphee trashed President Obama and said that if the American
      people fail to elect a Republican government, conservatives should arm
      themselves and take back the government by force. Here’s the text via
      Right Wing Watch:

      “We have before us a challenge to remove an ideologue unlike anything
      world history has ever witnessed or recognized. An individual who has
      come to power within a Nation which yields it’s strength over the entire
      world. An elected leader who shuns biblical praise, handicaps economic
      ability, disrespects the honor of earned military might. In the coming
      days and weeks ~ we the people must come to grasp as a common force,
      our very soul’s, that our future as a sovereign nation is indeed at
      risk. If every single individual that you know, would contact 25 other
      individuals ~ we can make a difference that will be heard across the
      Commonwealth and in Washington. The ultimate task for the people is to
      remain vigilant and aware ~ that the government, their government is
      out of control, and this moment, this opportunity, must not be forsaken,
      must not escape us, for we shall not have any coarse but armed
      revolution should we fail with the power of the vote in November ~ This
      Republic cannot survive for 4 more years underneath this political
      socialist ideologue.”

      • Terry Tree Tree

        About 11 years late, isn’t he?  SLOW learner?
           GREATLY DELAYED reflexes?

    • Azra

      . . . and how many more know, but don’t care.

  • Ed

    On the one hand it seems clear that President Obama believes in same-sex marriage. On the other hand, it seems clear that his supporters put a lot of pressure on him to take this or a similar step. So in addition to being directed by Planned Parenthood, he’s also directed by the powerful and wealthy homosexual lobby.

    • Don_B1

      There is a lot of difference between agreeing on policy and taking direction on policy from someone else. Again, you have gotten it wrong. It is the Republicans who have to a politician changed course on greenhouse gases and climate change at the behest of the fossil fuel industry.

      If both parties agreed on the science this country would be developing the alternative sustainable energy sources that would actually produce MORE jobs than fossil fuels and keep energy prices stable well into the future. That ability will be crucial in the competition for future jobs in the world-wide economy. We are cannibalizing the climate to cannibalize our future.

    • Ray in VT

      “The powerful and wealthy homosexual lobby”?  Ah yes, this would undoubtably be the gay mafia that I’ve heard so much about.  Also, why would Planned Parenthood be pushing the “gay agenda”?  Wouldn’t that ultimately put them out of business?  There’s not much money to be made in providing contraception and reproductive counseling to that particular group.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      The PROVEN CORRUPT Catholic clergy has a LOT of influence, don’t they?  HOW MANY HUNDRED YEARS, have they been involved in same-sex activities, USING the threat of ‘eternal damnation’?

    • jefe68

      “powerful and wealthy homosexual lobby.”
      So I guess the powerful and wealthy homosexual lobby is out doing the powerful and wealthy Catholic Church lobby.

      Where do you get this stuff from? Is your life that vacant that you sit around thinking this stuff up?

    • J__o__h__n

      How many abortions do gays have?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      The WEALTHY are a homosexual lobby?  Aren’t some of the wealthy hetero?  OR are they ALL Catholic priests?
         Don’t you Catholics have something about priests being CELIBATE?  Doesn’t that mean NO SEX?

  • Still Here

    Didn’t Obama admit to being a crack addict or something when younger. Youthful indiscretion, no biggie.  When does the statute of limitations expire on stuff like this?  NPR’s coverage of events that took place 50 years ago is pathetic.

    • Don_B1

      I believe he admitted to trying marijuana, but certainly NEVER said anything about being an “addict;” your going there shows that you are just trying to muddy the waters here. There is a big difference between trying something and being a bully (which has resonance with other things we know about Mitt’s personality).

      • Gregg

        He did drugs enthusiastically.

        • nj_v2

          Greggg trolls incessantly.

          • Gregg

            It’s all about me.

          • Ed

            Your blogs make sense, and have reason, unlike Terry Tee Tee and jefe68.

        • J__o__h__n

          Who cares?  He doesn’t now. 

          • Gregg

            His doctor told him to cut back on his drinking.

      • JGC

        And maybe more pertinently, Romney’s first response is interesting in that he had a total memory lapse about the incident, even though he was the ringleader wielding the scissors; yet his cohorts remember it vividly, with remorse.

        Romney seems able to compartmentalize and deeply store away his most personally distressing past actions, including being the original author of the Massachusetts Health Care Plan upon which Obamacare was modeled.   

    • nj_v2

      Right-wing logic: 

      Puffing a joint is the same as being addicted to crack.

      Puffing a joint is roughly equivalent to attacking someone because they’re gay.

    • TFRX

      Once again, your choice of “information” is telling.

  • Karen

    One week later, I’m still heartbroken over the death of Beastie Boy Adam “MCA” Yauch, whom you interviewed a few years back.  This is from the almost 7500 FB comments posted on their page since last Friday (Wed 7:14pm):  1992: walk into a room full
    of punks, metalheads, hardcore kids, ravers, and hip hop fans… put
    some Beastie Boys on and nobody has a problem with that. thanks for
    bringing us all together, MCA. we’ll miss you. love, generation X.Tom, please give a shout out to Adam on Friday’s show.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Banksters at JP Morgan LOST $ 1 BILLION?  Did ANY get BONE-USes, for THAT?
       I wonder how much of a LOSS in pay they will penalize themselves?  Could they be THAT honest?  They WEREN’T!

    • Hidan

       Don’t worry there make it back when facebook goes public.

    • Don_B1

      Actually $2 billion already with the potential for another $1 billion in a few weeks or so.

      I rather loved Jamie Diamond’s statement on how it happened:

      “There were many errors, sloppiness and bad judgment,” Dimon said as the company’s stock fell in extended trading. “These were egregious mistakes, they were self-inflicted.”

      But just watch the Republicans rally around to OPPOSE any regulation of banks to avoid the next financial crisis.

      The fact that the big banks are not supporting Obama’s re-election shows just how much they appreciate any “leniency” he has given them on the issue.

      But as Chris Dodd and Barney Frank found, Congress is “owned” [the words of the Democratic Senator from Illinois] by the banks and they feel they don’t have to take any deference to Obama. I hope they come to rue that position. And everyone else in the country should too.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    18 MONTH old terrorist on NO-FLY list?  For crying when her ears hurt?  For lethal aim with her pacifier?

  • Terry Tree Tree

    IF that apparent low-life Mayes, killed a mother and daughter, to kidnap two girls, THANK him for saving us the costs of  trials, and jail!
       I hope MANY other low-life Meth dealers, abusers, Child-Molesters, criminal clergy, etc… DO THE SAME!

  • Ed

    “No free community ever existed without morals.” De Toqueville, Democracy in America, chapter 9.

    • Yar

      Ed, I agree.  Yet you don’t seem to know the difference in dogma and morals.  It is immoral to bully a kid in high school.  It is dogma to say pro life is pro child.  If you are really living out your christian faith, then push as hard for universal healthcare and a living wage as you push your current dogma of pro-cookie cutter sameness.  Ed, I believe you have morals, only they are covered in dogma.  Christ fought dogma his whole ministry.  Don’t heal the sick on the Sabbath, don’t eat with tax collectors and sinners.  I think you may belong to the institutional church instead of Christ’s church.    Saul was full of Dogma until struck blind on the road to Damascus, then he could see.  I am praying Supreme Court Justice John Roberts will have a similar conversion.  I am praying for you.

    • Ray in VT

      There’s a big difference between not having morals or ethics and not subscribing to the dictates of a particular religious tradition.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Catholic clergy have morals?

    • J__o__h__n

      Is the Church a free community? 

      • Brett

        Not when the collection plate gets passed around!

    • Don_B1

      Religiosity is NOT REQUIRED to live an ethical, moral life.

      Note, as just one example, how when the the AIDS crisis broke out, it was largely the homosexuals who gave loving care for those inflicted, no matter how it occurred.

  • Gregg

    The defeat of Dick Lugar tells me the Tea Party is alive and well.

    • J__o__h__n

      Alive anyway.

      • Hidan

         least the media stop claiming the tea party is made up of republican, democrats and independents.

        • Gregg

          It’s made up of Americans appalled at our “amateur” President.

          • Still Here

            And they’re growing every day, the longer this disaster endures.

    • Victor Vito

      That was just Indiana swapping out one Dick for another.

      • Drew (GA)

        lol

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Playing Musical Dicks?  I’m going to leave them alone!

  • Terry Tree Tree

    MORE criminal priests FINALLY being charged?  DECADES late? 
       Are ANY ‘men of God’?  Worthy?  Honest?

  • Hidan

    Oh great Mona Charen on, can’t wait to here her make obama tar baby comments.  The women is not only bigoted and racist toward blacks but she’s also xenophobic.

    Once again Onpoint host a openly racist as an “sic” expert.

    Mona Charen plays dumb about “racist” rhetoric
    http://mediamatters.org/blog/200906020021

    (I really didn’t even have to search to much I could have just provided her own link Onpoint gave)

  • nj_v2

    Oh, geez. An hour of hackery from Mona Charon. Ugh.

    • Still Here

      Don’t worry Tom and Jack will be hacking double time as usual.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    A BIG Romney supporter, of the TOP .01% of wealthy, says IF the SUPER-WEALTHY get SUPER-WEALTHIER, they will FINALLY create JOBS?  Give them TRILLIONS of DOLLARS, and THEY will create a few MILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of JOBS?

    • Gregg

      Don’t give them a dime, just let them keep half of what they earn. Why do you want more?

      • Ray in VT

         I’m willing to bet that those in the top tax brackets do keep more than half of what they earn.  My friends who have worked in the tax/accounting industry tell me that there are plenty of legal was to not pay taxes, just so long as it’s non W-2 income.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Half of what they EARN, or STEAL, or DEFRAUD?
           Half of what they EARN, I have NO problem with!

      • Still Here

        Greedy and lazy; that defines today’s Democrats.  They can’t earn it, so they’ll steal it!

        • Ray in VT

          Ignorant and uneducated, that defines the GOP today.  If they can’t understand the theory of evolution, then they’ll try to get it out of science class.

      • Don_B1

        Then you agree to raise taxes since they are keeping nearly 85% of what they “earn” now.

        Economists have shown that the top MARGINAL rate can be 70% before it will reduce their desire to earn more. Let’s make the top rate close to 50% and enjoy their thanks.

  • Hidan

    Onpoint more of the xenophobic Mona Charen,

    (Washington Times, 10/18/01), syndicated columnist Mona Charen made a sweeping demand for racial profiling: “Every Middle Eastern-looking truck driver should be pulled over and questioned wherever he may be in the United States.” She also called for mass expulsions based on ethnicity: “There are thousands of Arabs in the United States at this moment on student and travel visas. They should all be asked, politely and without prejudice, to go home.”

    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1081

     

    • Ray in VT

      Well, didn’t Michele Malkin call for something akin to internment for Muslims or Arabs a number of years ago?

      • Hidan

        Not called, she wrote a book on why.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Defense_of_Internment

      • Hidan

         Even still the she commands the ombudsman attention when she writes to him(See the NPR ombudsman Thread). Funny thing is she didn’t even know it was a guy when she did. She sent the sheep to bombard him with emails about ALEC and Common Cause.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      WITHOUT PREJUDICE??  Sounds prejudiced to me!

      • Hidan

        They think if they say “Without Prejudice”  or “this may sound racist but” enough people will believe there not racist.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Michelle Bachman will take the WEALTH, made from U.S. ‘Entitlement Programs’, to Switzerland?

    • Hidan

       How many years to do think Bachman worked for the government?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        I don’t have any idea.  She wasn’t in a lower-paid public-union federal job, though!
            Has she revealed HOW MUCH she was paid, as Treasurer?  WHY she got NO Child-Support?  WHY she got NO Alimony?  WHY her
          Rescue call,  Bye

        • aj

          Safe home rocket man.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Thanks, aj, it was two women trapped under their wrecked car.  We got them out, and into helos.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Just heard that she dropped her Swiss citizenship?  Effectively, she still IS, but she CAVED to the attention on her action.
         FYI, two of my grandchildren are dual citizens.  IF they ever run for political office, I’m confident they will reveal that!

  • Hidan

    If Onpoint can get a hold of it there a American day  episode when Stan’s wife agrees to have the gay next door neighbors baby and stan doesn’t realize until she’s about to have the baby. Stan freaks and takes the baby on a road trip to a southern state that will annual the parrenting rights. While on the run from the rainbow truckers this women saves him and bring him back to her house. Stan is impressed with how she raised her son and daughter and kept asking about the Man of the house(who turned out to be a women) So Stan grabs the kids along with the baby and keep driving to that southern State  and than hears the kids fighting with each other and says “Haily and Steve stop it” than realizing that children raised by gay couples are no different and than looks outside and sees horses. Making a comment about Horses not eating each other and He guesses he maybe wrong and stops the car.

    Only clip I could find

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6pcgPeHD1k

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surro-Gate  

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Mitt can’t remember the cruel things he did, and said in high school?  Mitt can’t remember the JOBS that he eliminated, for MONEY?  Mittens can’t remember how much money he makes?  Mitt impresses people by eating grits?  Mittens can’t remember which side of an issue he is on?
       Mitt will come out for gay marriage?

  • Hidan

    Also in the news,

    Cali is banning Gay to straight camps because of the mental/physical damage to the children and young men that go. 

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Wisconsin, the Foreign, and out-of-state money supporting Scott Walker bought them HOW MANY state contracts, and other ‘concessions’?  About 70% of the money backing him is FOREIGN to Wisconsin?  Wisconsin doesn’t have enough crooks to buy all the state contracts, and concessions?

    • Gregg

      Walker’s Wisconsin is a great success story.

      • jefe68

        Yeah, for people organizing and standing up to that bully. He’s toast.

      • Still Here

        No doubt, hopefully one to be repeated everywhere.  Public employee unions are a curse on this great nation, even thinking Democrats understand that; too bad they are a minority in that illegitimate party.

        • Gregg

          He will survive the recall.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            With a few $BILLION Dollars of FOREIGN money, to buy him in?

      • Don_B1

        Biggest increase in number of unemployed in the country. Big tax cut for business, big cuts in education spread across the cities and towns who have big problems dealing with consequent funding cuts, forcing more teacher cuts.

    • Still Here

      Walker, running unopposed, got more votes than Barrett and Falk combined.  Union money flowed into Wisconsin from everywhere.  Demonstrators were bused in from across the country.  Barrett will again have to defend his terrible record as mayor of Milwaukee.  Walker will be able to show improved financial condition and lower tax burdens for all accomplished in less than 18 months.  Wisconsin’s not going to move back to the failed policies of the Democrats, they were a disaster; just like they have been on the federal level.

      • Don_B1

        Walker has raised some $18 million, nearly 80% from out of state. His popularity has been declining as his spending increased with the passage of time in the campaign.

  • J__o__h__n

    “Wild and crazy guy” Mitt Romney should keep his alleged sense of humor zipped up.  His being a spoiled rich kid bully at an elite school was good training for someone who made a fortune through laying people off and likes to be able to fire people.  At least he hasn’t flipfloped in demonizing gays so that should get him votes from the base.  What kind of a person at any age thinks it is funny to walk a blind person into a door? 

    • Drew (GA)

      “What kind of a person at any age thinks it is funny to walk a blind person into a door? ”

      The same kind of person that supports gambling (Wall Street) all the while professing to be a Mormon. Must be a Presidential Candidate…

      • Azra

        . . . of the Republican persuasion.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Rush Limbaugh says he speaks for MORE women than the National Organization of Women?   Does he have THAT many ex-wives under gag-order divorce settlement?

    • Gregg
      • jefe68

        So you, a grownup thinks Rush Limbaugh, also a suspected grownup, is “awesome” because he has more friends on FB? This really is on the level of a junior high school popularity contest.

        • Ray in VT

          Well, Metallica beats Rush 25:1 on Facebook, and I’d much rather listen to them.

          • Gregg

            Which Rush?

        • Brett

          Who says “awesome” anyway?!?!?

        • Gregg

          I don’t do Facebook but I hear NOW does.

      • Still Here

        His popularity is undeniable.  NOW really has been discredited.

        • Don_B1

          The people who are in thrawl with Rush were never going to be Planned Parenthood supporters so there is no additional “discrediting.”

          • Gregg

            You’d be surprised. His listenership is up 10% to 60% across 600 + stations since the Fluke thing. He replaced the couple of sponsors that left with more than he had to begin with. 

            It’s not just the choir.

          • Don_B1

            It must be just like what Marx and Engels said: “Capitalists would sell the rope for their own hanging.”

      • nj_v2

        How cute. Drug-addled-gasbag-devotee Greggg thinks “likes” on a Facebook page mean something.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Wonder how MANy of those ‘likes’ were in ‘drag’?

          • Gregg

            Huh?!

        • Gregg

          He’s not drug addled, I don’t know how gassy he is. Tune in at noon.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Tennessee passed a hand-holding ban, where Teachers can be sued for children holding hands?  I predict they will be wringing their hands over THAT stupidity?

    • jefe68

      It’s interesting to note that Tennessee has one of the worst teen pregnancy rates in the nation. I guess that abstinence sex education curriculum is not working so well so they added the abolition of hand holding in schools.

      • Ray in VT

        Is this story for real?  As a response to your comment, one of my neighbors said that his cousin moved down there with her family when she was about 10, and she was a grandmother at 29.

        • jefe68

          Sad to say it is.

          • Ray in VT

            That is just weird.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          As a Tennessean, I admit that, unfortunately, it is TRUE! 
             I will help make it BITE the idiots!

      • Azra

        Next step, BURKAS for every girl.

        These are probably the very people who whine about government control, the importance of freedom, Patrick Henry, and all that.

    • Brett

      Doesn’t hand-wringing lead to other things?

      • Ray in VT

        It might lead to dancing, and you know where that goes.

  • NewtonWhale

    A previous comment made me check to see if Mona Charen could actually have said something as mindblowingly racist as calling ObamaCare his “tar baby”. She did. Remarkable.

    Then I read the rest of the article, from November 2011. It is a Grand Slam of Assessments proved wrong. Charen also attacked the stimulus, the car bailouts, and financial regulation.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/… 

    First Base) Obamacare Saving Seniors More than $1 Billion on Drugs

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i… 

    Second Base) The Car Rescue was wildly successful, saving over a million jobs and returning GM to first in the world status. How successful was it? Mitt Romney is trying to take credit for it.

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonath… 

    Third Base) The stimulus worked, according to John McCain’s financial advisor, Mark Zandi:

    “The stimulus raised real GDP in 2010 by 3.4 percent, reduced unemployment by 1.5 percentage points, and created almost 2.7 million jobs.” 

    http://www.economy.com/mark-za… 

    Home Run) JP Morgan is on a mission to prove that banks can’t be trusted and those like Charen who block Financial Regulation are enabling another meltdown:

    J.P. Morgan’s $2 Billion Blunder
    Bank Admits Losses on Massive Trading Bet Gone Wrong

    It comes at a time when large banks are fighting efforts by regulators to rein in risky trading. 

    Banks have been arguing that measures to do that, such as the so-called Volcker rule, would hurt liquidity and raise prices in markets.

    The rule, set to take effect July 21 if regulators can finalize details, restricts banks’ ability to trade with their own money but would give them at least two years to fully comply.

    The trading loss “plays right into the hands of a whole bunch of pundits out there,” Mr. Dimon said. 

    http://online.wsj.com/article/

  • J__o__h__n

    Where is the conservative outrage over a Swiss citizen taking a congressional job away from Americans? 

  • NewtonWhale

    Phillip Maxwell, an attorney in Michigan, confirmed to CBS News that the incident with John Lauber is accurately described in The Washington Post piece. Maxwell was one of the Post’s four on-the-record sources. A fifth asked not to be named. Maxwell says the only thing not accurate is that the Post reporter said the incident occurred in a dorm room, but it happened in a common room.”Mitt was a prankster, there’s no doubt about it. This thing with Lauber wasn’t a prank. This was, well, as a lawyer, it was an assault. It was an assault and a battery. And I’m sure that John Lauber carried it with him for the rest of his life,” Maxwell told CBS News. [...] “I’ve carried this story with me a long time. It was very disturbing. I think that view is shared by everyone involved in it,” Maxwell says. “It just was a black mark on my character that I didn’t stop it.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/romney-friend-stu-white-says-campaign-wants-him-to-counter-prank-accusations/

    One former classmate and old friend of Romney’s – who refused to be identified by name – said there are “a lot of guys” who went to Cranbrook who have “really negative memories” of Romney’s behavior in the dorms, behavior this classmate describes as “evil” and “like Lord of the Flies.”
    The classmate believes Romney is lying when he claims to not remember it.“It makes these fellows [who have owned up to it] very remorseful.  For [Romney] not to remember it? It doesn’t ring true.  How could the fellow with the scissors forget it?” the former classmate said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/romney-friend-stu-white-says-campaign-wants-him-to-counter-prank-accusations/

    “He ran an abusive personal campaign against Senator Kennedy. He ran a demeaning personal campaign against a first-rate woman who ran against him, [former state treasurer] Shannon O’Brien. When he wanted to be governor, he undercut the then Republican governor, Jane Swift,” said Frank.

    “He has a record of being very abusive toward women politicians if he has to be. With all this planned image of his, you will not find a more devoted practitioner of the most vicious aspect of American politics than Mitt Romney.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/barney-frank-mitt-romney_n_1389365.html

    • Azra

      The only one involved in that shameful attack, who has been able to forget that it ever happened, is Edward Scissorhands himself, perp Mitt Romney.

  • nj_v2

    http://www.salon.com/2012/05/10/mitt_the_prep_school_sadist/

    [[ I’m not sure what’s worse – that he remembers his cruel pranks, and he’s lying about it, or that such cruelty doesn’t stand out in his memory. It’s all of a piece with Romney’s cavalier statements about power and entitlement: “I like being able to fire people who provide services to me;” joking to a group of unemployed voters that he’s “unemployed” too; the $10,000 bet with Rick Perry; his statement the other day that retirees “can’t begin to live off the puny interest from their CDs.” He’s still the same entitled rich kid, the one whose classmate told the Post he thought deserved some punishment in the Lauber incident –  punishment that of course never came. No wonder the story of poor Seamus on the roof of the car never goes away: we have stories of Mechanical Mitt, and Mean Mitt, and very few of Mitt as a man who shows genuine empathy to people (or other living beings) less powerful than he is. ]]

    (excerpt)

  • Victor Vito

    It might have happened 48 years ago, but it proves that Mitt Romney was a tremendous jerk in high school.  I was occasionally bullied as were most of us.  I never had anybody hold me down and cut my hair.  I also love the claim Romney makes that he didn’t know the guy was gay.  How convenient.

    • Bea

      As if bullying someone who is not gay is somehow less offensive?

    • J__o__h__n

      He knew the other victim was blind.

  • Still Here

    Obama’s stance on gay marriage is likely to be similarly effective to his stance on the economy, jobs, energy independence, … It’s for political appearances and he will either do nothing for it or will actually work against it. 

    • Ray in VT

      Well, if he’s not going to even do anything about it, then the right can probably stop filling ours ears and their pants with their outrage about it.

    • TFRX

      Lemme guess: You think Shrub never did anything except from his rough, tough, faux cowboy gut.

  • Hidan

    Everyone buy there Winston Flowers for mothers day?

    • J__o__h__n

      Why can’t they just sell them with short announcements at every break without resorting to the week long begathon?  I know why I like NPR and my mother without them harping about it.  The one thing I hate about NPR is on display all week.  I’m buying my mother a book instead. 

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Glad we’re NOT enduring THAT here!

  • J__o__h__n

    ..

    • TFRX

      Props to Bob Engelhart.

      Not often my taste for getting the obvious satire, but he does know how to remember beloved public figures.

  • Still Here

    In the West Virginia primary, Obama almost lost to a convicted Democrat felon; one still in jail I believe. That tells you something about how bad an option Obama is for Democrats. Embarrassing for the guy.

    • J__o__h__n

      He didn’t almost lose.  The felon got 41% and the turnout was low as Obama didn’t have a serious challenger. 

      • Ray in VT

        Plus, did people even know who this guy was?  Isn’t he in some Texas prison or something?

        • Still Here

          We don’t really know who Obama is do we?  But that doesn’t stop people from wasting their vote. 

          • Ray in VT

            Yeah, he’s a totally unknown character.  All that he’s done is write a book or two, be on the national stage for most of the last decade and win election to the Senate and the Presidency.  The guy’s a real mystery.

          • Still Here

            Did we know he was a socialist, intent on destroying the fabric of America?  Did we know just how bad he would be for our country, how divisive?  Americans who gave little thought to their votes in 2008 and elected Obama have had a nasty surprise.

          • Ray in VT

            If you think that Obama is a socialist, then you’ve got a pretty skewed perspective as far as I’m concerned.  I hear that divisive line all of the time, but I don’t see it.  I think that the rich have been screwing most of the rest of us for a while, but it’s only divisive when someone points it out I guess.

            I think that the little thought that many people gave when casting their votes for President in 2000 and 2004 have been far worse for our country that the 2008 choice.  Oh wait, I forgot that Obama started with a totally clean slate in January of 2009 and that everything that has happened since then is totally Obama’s fault.

          • jimino

             Have you been checked for rabies?

          • Don_B1

            I think you DO know exactly who Obama is, but you want others to think he is a socialist or worse and you are out every day to throw around unfounded claims and total lies in the hope that, as they say, some mud will stick on the wall.

            There are legitimate issues on which Obama can be criticized, but you almost uniformly go for the untrue cheap shot; calling Obama a socialist leaves the other 90% of Democrats who are to the left of him as what?

            When you demonize the people that you are going to have to work with or at least get to accept your proposals that task is going to be made difficult if not impossible.

      • Tfralphxout

        Didn’t Saint Ronnie almost lose to Walter Mondale by the same number?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Republicans will vote for a convict, to avoid voting for a half-white?   Waste their vote on a criminal? 
         West Virginia Intelligence Test?

    • Brett

      Of course the convict almost beat out Mitt, too. It says more about the inbreeding of WVA than it does Obama. 

      • Brett

        I meant in terms of votes garnered in primaries:
        Mitt: 77,477
        Obama: 76,510
        Convicted felon guy: 57,081

        • TFRX

          As in 2008, Obama may have an Appalachian problem.

          Of course, demographically they’re not the future.

          That says more about the kind of people in Appalachia, no matter how much they’re lauded by our media elite, than it does about President Obama.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Thanks, TFRX, I live in Appalachia!    Even in the state that just passed a BAN on hand-holding, as THAT is gateway sex? 
               I apologize for some of my fellow Tennesseans being SO backward, and ignorant!

    • Still Here

      I guess they prefer a convicted felon to a war criminal.  Neither option is very good.

      • Ray in VT

        That’s pretty strong talk.  I seem to recall that such talk, calling a sitting President a war criminal, was in and of itself considered to be just about treasonous about 4 years ago.  I guess that it just depends if the guy in the Oval Office has a D or an R after his name.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      West Virginia voters choose to be so ignorant, that they throw their vote away, on a convict?  THAT ignorant?

  • Ellen Dibble

    Question:  Will Dodd-Frank, the new banking law, be on the chopping block after J.P.Morgan Chase confesses yesterday to credit default swap dealing which lost it 2 billion, going on 3?  There is something rotten in the banking system still…

    • Still Here

      Dodd Frank doesn’t even apply, this would come under Volcker rule.  CDS dealing, that doesn’t make sense. 

      • Bea

        Whichever rule applies, it frightens me that people can look at this event and then say that LESS regulation is the key to financial success.

        • Ray in VT

          It is pretty amazing to talk about losing that kind of cash.  I’m not so sure that the discussion should be about more or less regulation, but effective and enforced regulation.  I’m certainly no believer in the wisdom or the morality of markets.

          • Ellen Dibble

            I think it was the BBC this morning that had some expert saying that such banking practices have ruined capitalism.  This is not competition; this is gambling.  Really, so long as we have supercomputers, we will have people playing the odds like this, but do we call them “banks”?

          • TFRX

            In one way I agree with that, but in another way, we’re looking at the accrual of power by the banksters. This is what they’ve asked for, not something which has been foisted on them from above.

            Only in the imaginary world of Ayn Rand could there a critical mass of capitalists who could head this off several years ago. The rest are just grabbing what they can, while they can, and saying “that’s what we do”.

            “Banking practices have ruined capitalism” is tantamount to saying “capitalism has ruined capitalism”.

            And, as others have said, capitalism can survive every economic system mankind has devised. Except for capitalism.

        • Still Here

          First of all it’s mark-to-market not a closed trade, second for every $ JPM shows as a loss on this position/s; another party has gain. 

  • Still Here

    It looks like Obama’s about to sink his teeth into that dog.  Some habits never change.  Poor dog!

    • nj_v2

      ^ Overdosed on trolling pills this morning.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      HOT DOG!!

    • Brett

      That’s funny! Mitt, bullying kids in high school: not so much.

  • J__o__h__n

    Mitt’s new campaign slogan: a Bully for the Pulpit.

  • http://en-gb.facebook.com/onanov Donald Baxter

    if an 18-year-old Barack Obama had assaulted another kid in high school, I wonder what sort of conversation America would be having about that.

    • J__o__h__n

      He’s black not a spoiled rich white kid.  He’d have gone to jail. 

      • TFRX

        And while being raised by a single mom.

        I can hear the FoxAndFriendery now.

    • Rex

      I don’t think high school issues from either candidate should be dragged through today’s media. I support Obama, but Romney’s acts, no matter how inappropriate while an immature student, should not be used against him today.

      • Don_B1

        If it was a “one-off” and Mitt had apologized directly and made the case that he did not treat those he considers his lessers that way since entering the business world, you would have a better case that his juvenile record should not be given much weight. But when there ARE aspects of his recent life that fit that personality, people CAN use that incident as indicative of a deeper twisted attitude that exists within Mitt Romney’s thinking. Beyond the disgusting bullying behavior is a lacking of any understanding of what might have led the classmate to be “acting out.”

        Consider his current attitude toward students: Find a less expensive college that will give you a good learning experience and then, borrow from your parents, start a business, and have a good life. Does that sound like someone who has empathy for students whose families are not wealthy?

        Consider his statement to a group of unemployed, while campaigning for the nomination for president, says “I’m unemployed, too,” when he has an income of some $20 million a year.

        The point is that Romney does not have an understanding of what life is like for the average American and is as much an “out-of-touch” person as any “elite” and more than most. Even Charles Murray, of “Bell Curve” infamy, has, while getting the causes and predictions mostly wrong, pointed out in his latest book, “Coming Apart” that the wealthy, living in their gated communities, are becoming isolated without a clue as to the struggles of the rest of Americans. Someone with such cluelessness, as Romney has repeatedly demonstrated, will not choose policies that will help close this gap, but will go along with the Tea Party policies which are guaranteed to make economic inequality worse, not better. And that inequality will not be good for the economic health of the U.S.

    • Still Here

      The media would give it a pass, nothing can blemish their perfect vision of Obama.  Gag.

      • http://en-gb.facebook.com/onanov Donald Baxter

        And how do you think FOX would run with that?

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Bloomer Bomber proves to be Bloomer Bomb thief?
      Al Quieda with their panties down?

    • Ray in VT

      Those would be some awesome tabloid headlines.

  • Revjudith22

    It is tedious in the extreme to have NPR focus on ‘sensational’ stories about something that happened with high school students, involving persons some of whom are deceased, occurring decades ago, all in the ‘interest’ of news reporting. Give it a rest, NPR. Please give us news items that have importance now (not that hazing is unimportant–but this was so long ago that it is a mostly pointless rehash) (and not that Mitt Romney’s attitudes are unimportant–but let’s give him the benefit of the doubt here, since he was in high school when this occurred).
    By the way, I am a registered Democrat and have every intention of supporting President Obama in the upcoming election. However, I find stories like the one about Mitt Romney’s high school transgressions totally beside the point when compared to issues that matter to the nation today.

  • NewtonWhale

    Unemployed snob and bully who likes firing people seeks gainful employment as most powerful man in the world.

    “Others noticed a distance between themselves and Romney. “I was a scholarship student, and he was the son of the governor,” said Lance Leithauser, now a doctor, who attended the school with his brother, Brad, now a noted poet. “There was a bit of a gulf.” Even a close pal like Friedemann felt that distance; their friendship was confined to the dorms. When Romney left the campus on weekends, he never invited him. “I didn’t quite fit into the social circle. I didn’t have a car when I was 16,” Friedemann said. “I couldn’t go skiing or whatever they did.”Lou Vierling, a scholarship student who boarded at Cranbrook for the 1960 and 1961 academic years, was struck by a question Romney asked them when they first met. “He wanted to know what my father did for a living,” Vierling recalled. “He wanted to know if my mother worked. He wanted to know what town I lived in.” As Vierling explained that his father taught school, that he commuted from east Detroit, he noticed a souring of Romney’s demeanor.”http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_print.html 

  • Brett

    Romney said he played a few “pranks” in high school. Well, we all did…Of course only the mean kids and bullies got together in groups and held kids down and cut their hair. Those kids were the torturers, the redneck assholes everybody hated. Just think, without his own personal safety net, he might have grown up to be a criminal or even one of those gym teachers not quite good enough in athletics or academics to do anything but grow up to be gym teachers…Privilege has beeen berry berry goood to heem!  

    • TomK in Boston

      The pattern is perfectly consistent, from over privileged bully prepster to leveraged buyout bully adult. And would you believe it, son “Tagg” is a huge success in the “private equity” con game already! Imagine how hard he must have worked and how brilliant he must be to have such success….Not.

       Etcha is the poster child for what voodoo econ has done to  the USA. Whoda thunk he’d be considered presidential material?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Careful, TomK,  Whoda thunk ‘W’ would be trash-collector material?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:

    The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew by Abraham Lincoln.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Does it matter what we did in our past and we think the bad decision that we made from our past.

  • Azra

    This week, a lesson in sensitivity . . .
    President Obama revealed that, in good conscience, he could no longer say that he doesn’t think gays should have the right to marry.

    He also read a story to children, on the White House lawn.

    Someone from President Obama’s past gave us a glimpse into his sweet nature, with the beautiful poetry he wrote when he was in school.

    Mitt Romney said that he will never allow gays to marry; he HAS no conscience, no feelings.

    Several schoolmates from Mitt’s past gave us an example of Mitt’s sensitivity, as they told us how they tackled, and held down a classmate, so Mitt could chop off his hair. Years later, the friend who told the story, ran into the hapless victim, who confided that he had been traumatized by that event, and had “carried it” with him to that day. He could never forget what Mitt had done to him, all those years ago. The other classmate apologized for his part in the bullying, saying that he will never forget what he had done. He deeply regretted it, and it haunts him still.

    Mitt doesn’t remember what he did.

    Mitt & his wife think it’s perfectly fine to tie a dog to the roof of a car for 12 hours. After that, Seamus repeatedly ran away, & the Romneys finally gave him away, to a GOOD home.

    President Obama, a true leader, restructured our automobile industry, knowing that if it failed, Michigan would fail, the repercussions would be felt throughout the Country, and countless thousands of lives would be seriously affected. Three short years later, the Industry is booming. It has made an astonishing comeback, and is now NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD!

    Mitt said, “Let ‘em fail!”

    Dogs Against Romney tee shirts declare that ” MITT IS MEAN”, but cruelty to his dog is only the tip of the Romney iceberg.

  • TFRX

    “Any time the president can change the subject off the economy it’s good for him.”

    Mona Charen’s wearing out her welcome awfully fast this hour.

    • Still Here

      Hard to argue with thought isn’t it.  Obama owns this terrible economy and holding onto his liberal base is going to be crucial.  I’m sure he’s got more distraction up his sleeve. 

      • TFRX

        You agree with Mona Charen? At least you’re both spraying talking points like a diet Coke with Mentos.

        Nuff ced.

        • Still Here

          Still hard to argue with I guess.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       You don’t welcome anyone who disagrees with you?  That’s tolerance for you.

      • TFRX

        This appearance by Mona Charen (not her first here) is another in On Point’s long, so far fruitless, search for a right winger who is fact-based and just doesn’t lie their ass off and spout Frank Luntz talking points until they run out of breath. (That she is indulged in this is part of the failure of PublicRadioPolite.)

        She’s welcome to be everywhere else in the media, which she is.

        When Jack Beatty, a journalist, is “the left”, I will exercise my right to complain that there don’t seem to be any reputable right-wingers who are fact-based and can own their crap for this show.

        Until the day that reality no longer has “a well known liberal bias” (h/t Colbert), the issue remains open.

        • JGC

          I wonder if David Frum would do a panel on Friday.  He has insightful viewpoints from the Conservative side. 

  • Rex

    I like how John Boehner made a big deal of the Gay Marriage issue taking attention away from the economy. Isn’t that good? Maybe WITHOUT all the attention they can quit pandering to the media and actually get something done.

  • Erin in Iowa

    I really want to believe that we can all move beyond the immaturity of high school. But I can’t help but notice how Mitt’s attitude toward that student (gay or not) has carried over into his adult life. Granted, he’s no longer holding people down and cutting their hair, but his attitude is still that someone should be holding people down and taking their dignity. The fact that he sees the incident as a “prank”, his “funny story” about his dad closing a plant in MI. Maybe it will be funny to everyone when he cuts Pell grants and food stamps and sends coupons for old people to buy health insurance. I won’t be laughing though.

  • TFRX

    Mitt just let this hack go on about “treason”.

    Mitt’s less of a man than John McCain. McCain had the balls to tell his crazy fan “Candidate Obama is an honorable man who loves his country”.

    Wimp.

    • J__o__h__n

      I didn’t vote for McCain but respect him.  I have never respected Romney. 

      • Azra

        How could anyone respect, believe, or trust him?

        • Don_B1

          Romney was the most disliked candidate by the OTHER REPUBLICAN candidates in 2008. It was a UNIFORM dislike across the board.

  • Focalpoint221

    Homosexuality is an abnormal behavior but should be accepted by society as long as there are no special protections for this  unfortunate group of people.

    Marriage was designed for heterosexual couples and procreation in mind and must not be extended to homosexual couples who do not deserve the benefits realized in the institution of marriage.

    Some of the  following are facts based on my experiences growing in a very big city in the 1950s and 1960s:

    Most pedophiles I observed were homosexual men. The perverted behaviors by pedophiles in the Catholic church of USA corroborate my  assessment.

    Homosexual men were far more irresponsible with their sexual encounters and relationships than heterosexuals.

    Deceases like AIDS were originally diagnosed on homosexual men and then spread on heterosexuals.

    The list of shortcomings concerning homosexuals is long but these few facts will suffice for now.

    I should inform you that I am too intelligent to be religious. I dare you be objective and broadcast this email.

    From Iowa City
     

    • jefe68

      Wow, one word for you. Bigot.

    • Adks12020

      Whoa…someone has some serious mental problems…time to go talk to a shrink.

    • nj_v2

      I guess we need to be reminded occasionally that people like this are out there.

      • feettothefire

         The operative words being “OUT THERE.”

        • Azra

          Thank you for your great comments. This one caught me off guard, so it was appreciated that much more.

    • Thinkin15

       Diseases like gonorrhea and syphilis are heterosexual. So what does that tell you? You really are naive if you think heterosexual men don’t have sexual appetites beyond marriage. Just look at the internet porn site stats!

      • jefe68

        Sorry, but STD’s are not based on ones sexual preferences, they are equal opportunity diseases.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Remember the Bible was REVISED by the Council of Nicea.

      We will never now if the word of God and Prophets ever mentioned that women cannot be priest and gay couples cannot get married.

      We will never know if there were books of Jesus Christ, Mary Magdalene etc.. if Christ and Magdalene ever had a child.

    • J__o__h__n

      Just being nonreligious doesn’t make you intelligent. 

      • Bea

        And just being religious doesn’t make you moral.

        • J__o__h__n

          I’m an atheist. 

          • Still Here

            So you prove your point, gotcha.

          • J__o__h__n

            I said “just” so you proved nothing. 

          • Still Here

            You did all the proving my friend.

          • Ray in VT

            What are you even talking about?

      • feettothefire

         Just waking up makes him an asshole.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Count this comment as a large dislike.  (Why isn’t there a dislike option for comments?)  You call yourself too intelligent to be religious, but apparently, spelling “disease” correctly is beyond your skills.  Using facts, as opposed to nonsense, is also something that you can’t manage.  Fortunately, many of us know better.

      • Still Here

        Really, calling him on spelling? 

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           It’s not all that hard, especially with Google to check.  The point is that the comment shows an intellectual laziness in many areas.

          • Still Here

            It’s observational discourse.  Feel free to provide intellectually rigorous refutation.

    • Still Here

      Interesting, it would be better to see some data, but I’m not sure who would fund the study. 

      • feettothefire

        Here’s some data. Aids has plagued the continent of Africa for decades. The great majority of victims are heterosexuals. If the MENSA member above is implying that homosexuals in Africa are to be blamed for all that irresponsible heterosexual behavior which is killing people on that continent, he’s an ass. And anyone who’s interested can check FBI records to see that heterosexual pedophilia far exceeds the amount of homosexual pedophilia. I guess it must be time to hate all of us heterosexuals because of all the child abuse we’ve committed.

    • kelty

      “I should inform you that I am too intelligent to be religious”

      hahahahahahaha…..uh right, it shows 

    • feettothefire

      I guess you would deny elderly people beyond  child rearing age the benefit of marriage since they cannot procreate. I presume you would also deny marriage to younger people who are incapable of procreation due to medical issues such as infertility or previous hysterectomies. If so, that makes you one heartless son of a bitch. If not, it makes you a bigoted hypocrite.        On the issue of pedophilia, I’ve been fortunate enough to have “observed” far fewer pedophiles than you, but I do know that sexual child abuse of heterosexual nature far exceeds that of homosexual nature. I could provide you with many links proving that point , but I don’t do that. If you want the truth it’s easy to find. I’m sure you won’t bother to look.                                                                 “Homosexual men were far more irresponsible with their sexual encounters and relationships than heterosexuals????” Really???? Where did you live, in a seminary. In the history of humankind there has not been a group of people more sexually crazed than the American male of the last thirty-five years or so. Sexual desire permeates our lives. Teenage pregnancy has been a plague on our society for decades. If you think real hard you’ll come to the inevitable conclusion that it wasn’t gay men impregnating all those responsible heterosexual females.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Priests are NOT allowed to BE homosexual!  They take a VOW of CELIBACY!  THAT means NO SEX, in case a priest is reading!
         WERE most of the pedophiles homosexual men, or were they pedophiles with boys?  DON’T know the difference?
         NO, I am NOT homosexual, I am a heterosexual male, that abhors pedophilia!   I am very careful about the age of ladies I date, because a guy tricked me into dating a lady under 18, ONE time, and I resent that deceit to this day!

  • Barbara

    Mitt Romney claims he cannot remember an incident that five others independently remember. We all did things as young people that we now regret. If Mitt Romney does not remember this act, it speaks volumes about the man.

    • margbi

       Ah, the old “if I don’t remember it, it didn’t happen” argument. How convenient such amnesia is.

    • Guest

      The family of the alleged victim has released a statement:  “The family of John Lauber is releasing a statement saying the portrayal of John is factually incorrect and we are aggrieved that he would be used to further a political agenda. There will be no more comments from the family.” 

      • Jim

         is that family mormoms and romney supporters?

  • no thank you

    The assault on another student matters because he doesn’t see it as assault.  The drum major that was just killed was being teased and toughened up in the eyes of his fellow students.  Would Romney agree with them?  It sure sounds like it.  How many teens kill themselves because they are teased by fellow students.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:
     
    God created the ten commandments but I don’t see a commandment that forbidden same sex couple from getting married.

    • Ray in VT

      I don’t see where the Ten Commandments are enforceable as U.S. law.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Thou shalt NOT act like a Catholic priest, WITH a marriage license.

  • Jim

    Lugar is one of the last centrist left in the republican party. I can’t believe the republican did not even acknowledge the accomplishment made by this guy after the election, not even from Mitch McConnell. The group of people giving praise to this great statesman is from the DEMOCRATIC party.

    What has this country come down to? do you really want extremism in this country?

    • Still Here

      The guy who beat him praised him election night.

      • Jim

        anyone else from the republican party? no? i understand.

        • Still Here

          He’s going to serve for another 8 months so there’s plenty of time.  I would suggest holding your breath.

  • Thinkin15

    The president has shown his belief in freedom and equality for all by his actions. What’s the big deal about him saying same sex marriage is OK? Mitt and the right aren’t being asked to endorse same sex marriage, they are just being asked to let gays have the same legal rights as others. The view expressed in “focalpoint221″‘s comments are irrelevant. If they want “Christian marriage” then they should outlaw divorce and adultery and childess marriages.

    • TFRX

      Or stop giving passes to some public figures and not others.

      I’m looking at the treatement afforded Newt (MyNextMarriageIsForeverISwear!) Gingrich and Rudy (StillAGoodCatholicTM) Giuliani v every high-profile Democratic Catholic ever.

  • Rex

    Responding to Mona Charen’s comments on how Indiana wanted a more conservative candidate, did Indiana ask for a more conservative candidate? No. Mourdock told Indiana they needed a more conservative candidate. I’d like to say that Lugar reached across the isle and kept a low profile, but unfortunately that doesn’t make news. “When you do the right thing, no one will be sure you’ve done anything at all.”

    • Still Here

      Indiana had a choice and decided what they wanted. 

      • jefe68

        And they voted for a demagogue.

    • TFRX

      Mourdock actually said “Bipartisanship should mean Democrats give in to Republicans”.

      Just curious what kind of crisis in comity we’d have if a Democrat said that.

      • Still Here

        I believe Obama said “I won.” when asked about compromise. 

        • jefe68

          And President GW Bush said he had political capital. What’s your point?

        • TFRX

          And Foxholers shit their pants about it.

          Keep plugging that false equivalency, bub.

        • John

          No, President Obama said to Senator John McCain (more or less), “Elections have consequences, and I won.” This was after McCain imperiously set out, during a meeting in the Oval Office, a long list of things that President Obama would have to do.

        • Azra

          Your belief is incorrect. Compromise had nothing to do with it. On day one, McCain gave the President a laundry list of his demands. President Obama didn’t accept the list, and when McCain asked why, he replied, “Because I won.”

  • Alan Lipp

    Tom asked if Romney’s 1965 bullying matters in 2012.  The answer is “No.”  What does matter, however, is how Romney responded to the situation today.  A man who has grown up would say, “I was a dumb kid then.  I’m ashamed of what I did.”  A courageous and remorseful man might even have contacted some of those he bullied and apologized for the hurt he caused.  But Romney’s giggling response that “… I don’t remember, but it was certainly not about the boy being gay . . . we didn’t think about those things back then,” is a profile in lack of courage, and that does reflect on this man who hopes to lead this country.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Look at the expression on Romney’s face in his YEARBOOK photo.  Did he have no choice?  I see something like a sneer or a smirk, and some people just have that look.  George W. Bush did too.  I tend to avoid them.  But he may be a really personable person, right?

    • donniethebrasco

      Really, piling on based on someone’s high school yearbook picture.

      It would be interesting to give you an ink blot test.

      “Republican conspiracy”
      “I see evil in all people who work for a living”

      You probably believe that we have entered a new age.  It is not what you produce that matters, it is what you consume is what is important.

      • Seamus B. H. Q.

        Ayn Rand, is that you?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        YOU obviously are NOT familiar with Ellen Dibble’s comment history!

    • Still Here

      Is all of your analysis so shallow?  Seems like it probably is.

      • Seamus B. H. Q.

        Why are you still here?

    • Azra

      Wrong.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    We have a choice between a schlock salesman and someone who’s wishy-washy.  It’s time for Americans to vote for better candidates.

  • donniethebrasco

    What about Obama’s church?  That was when he was an adult.  Obama was a member of a racist church that he doesn’t apologize for.

  • Jamesdthompson

    Tom:

    Well it is interesting to note that Romney says he doesn’t remember this, but there are reports that this came up for discussion in 1994, 2002 and 2008 Romney campaign meetings.  This would show that he is indeed a liar if these reports are true.

    • Still Here

      Except if he said he didn’t remember on each occasion.  Keep trying though.

      • Seamus B. H. Q.

        Why are you still here?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Shouldn’t he remember it being brought up so many times, and had someone look into it?
            Wouldn’t that be the ‘Christian’ thing to do?

  • BRB in VT

    To Mona Charen’s comment: yes that high school attack on another student is indicative of Romney’s character, and no we haven’t all done things like that.

  • donniethebrasco

     Also, Obama still calls Bill “I Bomb Cops” Ayers a friend.  I would have preferred it if Bill Ayers cut a businessman hair, instead of executing a cop.

    But, Obama calls Bill Ayers execution of a policeman a “youthful digression.”

    • nj_v2

      Yet another forum hack unencumbered by reality.

      Obama called the 60s actions of the Weather Underground “detestable.”

      There’s no evidence whatsoever that Ayers had anything to do the the killing of the security guard and two policemen in a bungled robbery attempt in 1981 (assuming that is what donniethehack is referring to), which happened after Ayers turned himself in.

  • Steven

    Given that there are and have been bullies, what party do they favor? We all have known bullies and where they’ve ended up. We all know what soul deficient people look like. Or at least some of us do. 

  • Mel

    Mona Charen’s only reaction is to read a long passage from Obama’s book.  This issue must be worse for Romney than I’d thought, if that’s the best his apologists can do.

    • Seamus B. H. Q.

      I had thought that Mean Mitt only took out his sadistic fantasies on poor defenseless dogs . . . but apparently long before Bain he had already been practicing his human victimization skills.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Conservatism can no longer dominate the way we live.
    The new Generation of children has learned a lot from the older generation. When the new generation from all races are more open to changes and the acceptance to redefine the moral values that we learned from our past can  revised to see the true meaning of being human.

  • Josh M.

    Hmmm… the speaker just said that everyone who says they are haunted by these actions of their past are liberal, and those who brush it off and seem to have forgotten it are (presumably) not … could this be at the heart of how this incident becomes the real “character issue”?

  • Guest

    Some revelations coming forth about the Washington Post hit piece on Mitt Romney:
    Stu White, whom the Post said had “long been bothered” by the incident, told ABC News “he was not present for the prank, in which Romney is said to have forcefully cut a student’s long hair, and was not aware of it until this year when he was contacted by the Washington Post.” 
    The family of the alleged victim, John Lauber, has released a statement:  “The family of John Lauber is releasing a statement saying the portrayal of John is factually incorrect and we are aggrieved that he would be used to further a political agenda. There will be no more comments from the family.” 
    The alleged victim’s sister, Christine Lauber, told ABC News that her brother never mentioned the allegedly life-destroying traumatic incident related by the Washington Post, and “probably wouldn’t have said anything” even if something like it did happen, because he presumably was not the fragile character he has been portrayed as.  Furthermore, she tearfully insisted that “if he were still alive today, he would be furious” over the Post story.

    • Still Here

      Thanks.
      But like the Zimmerman case, we’ve got a narrative and we’re running with it, lack of facts be damned!
      Mitt bad, economy don’t matter.

      • Azra

        America’s econonmy matters a lot. Why would we hand it over to Mitt, after what he did, (and didn’t do),in Massachusetts?

  • Seamus B. H. Q.

    Who is this Mona person?  All I can tell about her is her blatant right-wing bias and love of Mitt Romney.  Is she a journalist or just an opinion columnist?  Why is she on when you already have a conservative journalist on the panel?

    • jefe68

      Interesting. I guess BUR is trying to appease the right.
      She’s out to lunch.

      • Seamus B. H. Q.

        That’s pathetic, if they are.  Right-wingers can’t be appeased.  It has to do with the nature of greed, I guess.

    • Still Here

      It’s an attempt to make up for the liberal bias the rest of the week with Tom.  I’m sure the second hour will be less challenging to your belief system so stay tuned!

      • Seamus B. H. Q.

        Why are you still here?

      • im not perfect

        So you’re basically saying Tom is attempting to be fair and balanced.  How liberal of you!

  • Colleen

    A person’s actions from 40 or 50 years ago do not necessarily represent the person they are today, but how they relate to those actions now is pertinent to questions of character.  I don’t care that Romney was a bully as a teenager, but I am concerned that when confronted with  this story now, he dissembles and throws out a flippant “apology”.  If he had just admitted to the episode and expressed regret/remorse for his immature actions this would be a non-story.

    • donniethebrasco

      When Obama apologizes going to a racist church and supporting terrorist Bill Ayers, Romney will apologize for cutting a kid’s hair.

      • nj_v2

        Donniethehack seems to think that repeating the same disinformation over and over somehow makes it more compelling.

      • im not perfect

        Is it that hard to stay on topic donnie?

        • im not perfect

          P. S. On your misguided off-topic comment:  Perhaps Fox forgot to mention the Bushes’ extraordinary efforts to fly the Bin Ladens out of the country the day after 911, when Americans were grounded.

    • im not perfect

      I would hate to see Romney as president, but let’s be fair.  He did apologize and he did admit to doing things he’s ashamed of.  He did it in an unlikeable, used-car-salesmanlike manner of communication that is pure Mitt, but we all knew that about him already.

      • aj

        Pure 24 carat Mitt.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        THAT was an apology?

  • im not perfect

    Mitt Romney’s past as a high school bully is exactly as relevant as Bill Clinton’s pot-smoking college history.  Back to you, GOP.

    • donniethebrasco

       Bill Clinton raping women as an adult is relevant.

      I don’t care if he smoked pot in the Oval Office.  Or did cocaine off of his wife’s back.

      But if he supported Bill Ayers and went to a racist church, it is relevant.

  • BHA in Vermont

    With regard to JP Morgan:
    How much does the CEO make and why does he still have a job? He knew about the “complicated” credit default swaps that are the cause of the $2B loss. He lied about the coming loss. Clearly NOTHING was learned from the crash of 2008.  I don’t care how much he chastises himself publicly. If he were a true leader, he would clean up the bank, not continue with potentially dangerous investing practices.

    We NEED to get “complicated financial instruments” out of the banking business. Betting should happen at the track and the casino, not at the bank.

    • Drew (GA)

      Great Comment.

      “Betting should happen at the track and the casino, not at the bank.” or on Wall Street…or in Congress…or in the Supreme Court…

  • Lee

    I strongly agree with the last caller.

    It is the fact that Mitt Romney says he has no recollection of his behavior that is really troubling.

    We are more sensative to bullying, especially against gay and lesbians, but we are not talking about the Mitt of 1960s we are talking about the Mitt of today and his ability to recall his past sins.

    • Lee

      I would also like to point out that those who knew President Obama when he was a student in Indonesia have said tat he would stand up to those who bullied other kids. Although this is the 1970s, can we really say that a decade made the difference?

      Maybe it was upbringing? Something that Republicans seem to talk a lot about except when it comes to private schools in the 1960s where upbringing I guess doesn’t apply.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        ‘Conservative’ upbringing, like the under-age-drinking Bush twins, or the Abstinence-only poster-child, Bristol Palin?  BUNCHES more examples?

  • Jiminfortmill,sc

    Tom:

    Also passing this week was Mort Lindsey, the legendary orchestra leader of Judy Garland with her at the fabulous Carnegie Hall concert, her tv show, the Merv Griffin Show and also with Streisand at her Happening in Central Park concert.  Conduct the angles Mort…say hello o Judy!!!!

  • JGC

    Thanks for your mention of Maurice Sendak.  I still remember the look of wonder on my young son’s face when we first read the book “In the Night Kitchen”…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Gay marriage has nothing to do with politics but why held a referendum to vote for or against same sex marriage.

    • Ray in VT

      Because some think that civil rights should be decided by popular vote.

  • Jim

    everyone who participated in the hazing apologized except for Romney. and he said he does not remember?

    and he is from the church of latter day saints?? either he is a pathological liar and hypocrite or this is a complete cult waiting to take over american society with the devil’s advocate.

    • Azra

      We already know that he’s a pathological liar, also the poster boy for hypocracy, and a sociopath, at the very least.

      With so many undesirable character traits, he should just quit, before the rest of his flaws are brought to light. The one thing that would be his undoing . . . his years of hidden income tax returns. That’s why he becomes SO angry at the very suggestion that he should be transparent; he doesn’t realize that he can’t become President unless he is.

  • donniethebrasco

     Also,
    Obama still calls Bill “I Bomb Cops” Ayers a friend.  I would have
    preferred it if Bill Ayers cut a businessman hair, instead of executing a
    cop.

    But, Obama calls Bill Ayers execution of a policeman a “youthful digression.”
     

    • ana

      Bill Ayers did some despicable things, but nowhere is it documented that he killed a policeman.  Why is he not doing life in prison for killing a policeman?
      Could you reference your comment?

      • nj_v2

        Hacks don’t post references.

    • nj_v2

      Unencumbered by basic, demonstrable facts, donniethehack blathers nonsense, embarrassing himslelf in public.

      Obama called the 60s acts of the Weather Underground “detestable.”

      There’s absolutely no evidence that Ayers had anything to do with the killing the security guard and two policemen in the bungled robbery attempt in 1981 (assuming that’s what donniethehack is referring to), which occurred after Ayers had turned himself in.

       

  • Suzvt

    It’s obvious that Mona is going to excuse anything that Romney has done wrong and find fault with everything Obama has done. Please, if I did what Romney is alleged to have done, it would haunt ME for the rest of my life! Yes we all did things we’re not proud of in our youth, but there’s a glaring difference between how both men are dealing with those youthful indiscretions. Obama wrote a book and mentions how sorry he is for his, without being prompted by someone else revealing it to the media. Then there’s Romney who claims he can’t remember. I agree with the caller, he’s either lying or he’s done such things so many times he can’t remember this particular incident. I would also add, or he is so indifferent to other people’s pain and suffering that it really hasn’t registered in his consciousness.   

    • aj

      I’m not disagreeing with you, on the contrary. But in all fairness, comparing Barack’s bias memoir and the timely piece in the WashPost by journalists is folly. Wait for David Maranis’ bio of Barack due out later this summer.

      One bit already out; is when his white girlfriend let his broke knappy headed ass move into her plush apartment on the upper East side. She confided, ” I love you Barry.” He replied, “Thank you.”

      Thank you!!? As in ‘thank you for this sweet Manhattan loft, and the nightly jelly roll, but I am way to kool to reciprocate in the least, by simply saying I love you too.’

      Sounds like kind of a scheming, cold-ass prick to me, no? Maybe that’s just the over protective daddy/older brother in me

      That said, Obama’s nowhere near Romney when it comes to being a varsity league asshole.

      http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/06/young-barack-obama-in-love-david-maraniss

      P.S. You know when the POTUS is giving a speech, and some woman in the crowd screams I Love You. He’s always quick to reply ‘I Luv ya back!’ Please Barry, we know the deal. It’s all about him.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        ???    WHAT do you say to a girl, or woman that says ‘I love you’, when you are NOT in love with them?
           Do YOU give the usual insincere ‘I love you, too’, that most guys give, or do YOU tell the truth?
           MANY guys will tell a gal that they love them, if she brings him a beer!  Regardless of how he feels about her!
           For over 30 years, I have NOT said those words to a lady I was dating.  I couldn’t see how they were true, so I didn’t say them.  Sometimes, they resent when I don’t repeat after them, but I have to live with myself, so I’ll stick to the truth.
           Ladys still date me.

        • aj

          He was using her TTT. There’s a difference between telling the truth, and being a prick. She wasn’t a booty call. He moved in with her, and helped himself to the jelly roll repeatedly, fully intending to pursue another path, at his first convenience.

  • Seamus B. H. Q.

    by the way, your guest was being DISHONEST when she casually alluded to Obama’s history of crack use . . . that is NOT in his memoir, he relates past cannabis use and admits to trying powder cocaine, but does not admit to using crack cocaine.  Why would you have someone on your show who is so partisan that she is willing to lie on national radio just to get a dig in at the president?  It is some sort of devious slur and makes me wonder why you would even allow her on your show.  sad, i’ve tuned out.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      At least Obama did not get arrested in Maine for drunk driving.

    • William

      Don’t worry…WaPo is most likely going back at least 25 years ago researching Obama’s past. I’m sure we can see a hit piece on him in the coming days,….or weeks…maybe months….well certainly if he loses…no wait a minute..I mean…sometime in the future….like JFK…about 30 years from now…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    The Southerners from Virginia to Florida has forgotten that the world has changed so much since 9/11.
    They are stuck in the realm of their evangelist and religion to use their faith to control lives of other people.

    • William

      Really…if they would just sign on with Obama and agree to his Obama care and all other big government ideas and let government control the lives of everyone.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        im talking about gay marriage.

        hey!!! if you want to continue paying high health insurance premiums every year go ahead that’s not my problem and not my money.

        I got no problems with my health insurance after the hospital I work for created our own health insurance coverage. I pay less now

        • Terry Tree Tree

          I’m happy for you!

        • William

          Oh yes, Obama said our premiums would drop like a stone…which of course, did not happen.

      • Azra

        Government will never be able to control our lives, unless The “Grand Old, (and I do mean OLD), Party” has their way. Never fear.

        • Azra

          Has ITS way ^

  • kph

    When a big bank fails we can nationalize it, break it up and recapitalize it – no bailout!!!!

    • aj

      Simon Johnson says Jamie Dimon should resign. What are the chances of that?

      • Vernon

        About as likely as Israel giving back all the land and property that it’s stolen from the Palestinians.

  • Yar

    Don’t Blame Mitt for being a bully, he was born that way.  He can’t change his stripes, it is in his genes, it’s not a choice he can make.  He is in the right party though.

    • Ray in VT

      I’m not a fan of Romney, but I think that that’s a bit over the line.

      • Yar

        Satire my friend, I should never attempt humor, I see the world from such a different perspective that my attempts always fail.  You have to admit that the concept of choice in sexual orientation compared to those who are bullies raises an interesting point.  I will never vote for the bully who broke my nose at the bus stop when I was in 8th grade.  He may have forgotten about it, but I never will.

        • Azra

          Sadly, they don’t understand sophisticated humor, but the rest of us do. Don’t let that deter you.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          If he runs for President, let us know who NOT to vote for?

      • Azra

        How is it incorrect?

    • donniethebrasco

       I think that its wrong for Romney to go to a racist church and support a domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers.

  • TFRX

    Major Garrett says “The GOP doesn’t want to have to moderate town hall meetings in tone and statements.”

    They shoulda thought about that four years ago before Candidate Obama was outed as a KenyanSocialistFascist.

    That’s the modern GOP. That’s their base. It’s a little too late to do the classy thing now, Major. If you spent a little more time outside the Beltway, you’d have recognized that.

    • William

      As opposed the Democratic base? OWS and those riots by Democrats in WI last year?

      • TFRX

        Riots by Dems in Wisconsin?

        OWS is the Democratic base, full of Obots and DNCers?

        Democratic town halls really don’t come close to the crazee that the GOP has to paper over in the “polite” media (while still keeping at the polls).

        And your media diet is unbalanced. Maybe you should take supplements.

        • William

          Oh yes, I so clearly remember the TEA party people acting like the loyal Democrats in WI last year.

      • Azra

        Since when are OWS protesters Democrats? That’s news. Please educate us.

  • Scott B, NY

    Glass -Steagle kept the bank in line for the better part of a century, with no cost to taxpayer.  They got rid of it and look what happens. Dodd-Frank incurs costs, putting Glass-Steagle back is free to everyone but the banks. Put it back.
    The banks were just given money,  not one thing changed, they paid out
    bonuses first, and it’s business as usual for the banks and now it’s
    happening again. Doesn’t anyone in DC and Wall St learn from history?

    I support the car co bailouts as they employ millions of people, directly and indirectly, and new rules were agreed to and management practices (and management) was shook up.

  • Guest

    Another story:
     

    In 1996, two years after Romney had returned to Bain Capital, Robert Gay, a partner at Bain, came to him and confided that his 14-year-old daughter Melissa was missing. He was amazed at Romney’s reaction. The co-founder of Bain immediately informed the other partners of the situation, then closed down the firm and mobilized a temporary move to New York City to search for the girl.  
     

    Robert Gay:  “My business partner stepped forward to take charge. He closed the company and brought almost all our employees to New York. He said, “I don’t care how long it takes, we’re going to find her.” He set up a command center and searched through the night. The man who helped save my daughter was Mitt Romney. Mitt’s done a lot of things that people say are nearly impossible. But for me, the most important thing he’s done is to help save my daughter.”
     

    Which story do you think says more about a person’s character, a story about something that may or may not have happened 50 years ago as the Washington Post reported, or this story contemporaneously reported by the New York Times and the Boston Globe?

    • Mel

      Yes, they found her hanging out with her boyfriend.  A little bit of an overreaction.  

    • J__o__h__n

      Even Jimmy Carter would have looked for her. 

      • donniethebrasco

         Except, the trucks would have gotten stuck in the mud during rush hour.

      • Azra

        Dubya wouldn’t have.

    • Drew (GA)

      The girl was in the home of her boyfriend in a fairly affluent area. Romney threw his money around to “save” her. I’m getting really sick of this story. I don’t watch TV (at all) and I’m tripping over this self-aggrandizing garbage every time I turn around. I guess if he (Romney) breaks both arms patting himself on the back he’ll deserve a Purple Heart.

      • Azra

        He put his life on the line. Don’t you think that Mitt should receive a medal for bravery above and beyond the call of duty? After all, John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts, for just being in the Vietnamese War. Compare that with what Mitt had to endure.

    • Still Here

      Good story.
      If this gets out, Obama will probably circulate a photo of him playing with puppies.  Hopefully he can control his urge to eat them.

      • Ray in VT

        He better watch those puppies.  Mitt might try to take them on vacation.

        • Azra

          DOGS AGAINST ROMNEY better not catch him. “Mitt is Mean”. Take it from one who knows.

          Seamus

      • Colleen

         You criticize others for judging Romney based on an incident from his teenage years and then do the same thing but use something from when the President was less than 10 yrs old and living in a country where that activity (eating dog meat) was common and culturally acceptable.

        • Still Here

          An incident that occurred 50+ years ago and about which there is considerable doubt.  Moreover, you are judging it from the cultural norms of today, not then, when such an incident, if it did occur, would be judged considerably less culturally important; but that’s progress for ya.

          • Azra

            Au contraire. Bullying was much less common then than it is now. Today it is a fact of life. Of course, it might have been more common among the elite, but I wouldn’t know.

          • Still Here

            There’s so much you don’t know.  Bullying, hazing and worse were widespread, often violent and more often than not attributed to boys and girls being boys and grils. 

          • jefe68

            So that makes what Romney did OK in your book. You are a pathetic little man.

    • Azra

      We are in awe of REAL heroes, the ones who risk their own lives to save someone else’s; you know, like war hero John Kerry.

      What we are not impressed by are publicity stunts. A posse wasn’t necessary, just a phone call. The girl was at her boyfriebd’s house.

      HERO?

      • Guest

        Your statements are incorrect.  I doubt that anyone will accuse Snopes.com of having a political bias, so read about the story here:  
        http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/search.asp

      • Still Here

        I think we all know now the Kerry was no hero.  He wasn’t even there. 

        PR stunt in 1996 for his 2007 presidential run.  You are nuts!

        • Terry Tree Tree

          John Kerry wasn’t in Vietnam, commanding a swift boat? 
             PR stunt in 1996, for his 2007 presidential run?  The U.S. was in Vietnam from 1962 to 1973?  HOW does 1996 go back THAT far?

    • J__o__h__n

      I hope the Christian right doesn’t hear that he helped the Gays.

  • Erin in Iowa

    Is Mona giving thoughtful answers? Or is she simply reading the Drudge Report aloud?

    • Still Here

      Go ahead and refute something.

      • Gregg

        There’ll be none of that.

        • Ed

          Unless it’s a refute of one of the mindless rants of Terry Tee Tee, but his rants are so mindless that they refute themselves.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            ARE you one of the pedophile priests?  Is THAT why you defend them, and try to divert attention from their crimes?
                ISN’T Child-Abuse a crime, AND a SIN?
                THAT’S why my ‘rants’ bother you?

        • Azra

          Right you are. Must stay true to form, repeat, (as a parrot), stock answers, whether they pertain to what is being discussed or not. It’s the Right-wing way.

      • jimino

         You’re wrong about everything. 

        Feel free to refute my claim with detailed facts if it’s not accurate.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    If America will not change, Masschusetts will change America.

  • http://twitter.com/Dave_Eger Dave Eger

    I honestly don’t think that it’s outside the realm of possibility that the bailouts were designed to see corporations survive as the government fails. I don’t think that it would be the most devious or self-interested thing that Bush/Cheney did while they were in office.

  • Seamus B. H. Q.

    If you continue to have partisan hacks like Mona Charen on your panel I will simply stop listening to your show on Fridays.  I can always tune into the mainstream shouting heads on cable if I want to hear right-wing biases blathered by someone who is willing to lie to a national audience (vide my earlier comment on her misrepresentation of Obama’s memoir: she obviously had a copy in front of her as she was anticipating the discussion of Mitt’s meanness – and i’m sorry, Ms. Charen, giving someone a shove is NOT the same as holding down a crying pleading person and chopping off his hair).

    • Still Here

      No refutations.  Crack v cocaine, an easy mix up.  Sorry she’s not your kind of partisan hack.

      • Seamus B. H. Q.

        sorry, obviously there is no racial undertone or slur implied at all by Ms Charen.  Clearly there are no sentencing differentials (quite drastic ones) punishing those in possession of rock form cocaine, otherwise known as crack, far far more than those with powder.  And i’m sure that you would agree, Mr Here, that our society has not developed racist preconceptions based on the difference between powder and rock cocaine.  So sure, an easy mix-up . . . for an idiot or a partisan hack.

        And thanks for the apology, by the way.  Someone needed to apologize to me for this pathetic partisan disinformation hack.

        • Still Here

          Wow you bring a lot of baggage with you, don’t you. 

          I believe America is in a post-racial nirvana. 

          Still no refutation, you look the idiot and hack.  Keep trying.

          • Seamus B. H. Q.

            Look, I accepted your apology already.  Why are you hounding me still?  You apologized for the hack Mona Charen not being to my liking and i accepted your apology.  I am neither a democrat nor a Buddhist, so this talk about tin ear democrats and post-racial nirvana (whatever THAT is) are as much a waste of YOUR time as this reply is of MINE.  Sorry i look like an idiot to you.  Now accept MY apology and drop it already.  I hate to ask again, but why ARE you still here?

          • Billiejak

            Seamus: Still Here has to relearn the alphabet after each post, so it takes a while, and then he has to pay the typist, and by then the whole thought is gone, except that tinny echo….refutation/ refutation/ refuzzzzzzzzz…I mean its complicated; and then there’s the issue of the affliction, or malady or whatever…bomphilogia irrelevans or maybe echolalia- I think its called. It just aint easy

          • Azra

            Because it’s the weekend.

          • TFRX

            Post-racial?

            What kind of bubble you living in?

          • Azra

            The bigot bubble maybe?

          • Still Here

            Your insecurities, not mine.

          • Still Here

            Present day America and it’s beautiful.  Come out of your cave of ignorance.

        • Billiejak

          Seamus: employing irony with Still Here is like using irony with Mitt-”-I like Nascar, I  often eat lunch with several owners heh heh; I was once a struggling young married college student also heh heh; I’m gonna be more pro-gay than Ted Kennedy heh heh”; Its called “tin-ear syndrome”  (not to be confused with tinnitis!), and there is no cure.       

          • Still Here

            No refutations from you either.  I guess tin ear syndrome amongst Democrats is a communicable disease. 

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      As I want a responsible and reasonable GOP, I want to hear the same from the guests on this show. 

      I say “no” to always providing a voice for the other side when they represent a fringe and radical element more attuned to the 19th century than modern day America. 

      These people seem to think that if they come off as virtuous, uncompromising, and unbending that THEY are right and speak the truth. This is nonsense. I’m tired of it – moreover they’ve failed, for the last 30 years, to prove  that their argument benefits the majority and serves the long-term interest of the country. 

  • Billiejak

    Mona Charon once again proves her consistent lack of perspective, insight, and more importantly  her willingness to either deliberately falsify or conveniently misstate facts. Her repeated reference to Barack Obama’s use of “crack” is a common racial slur, and is deliberately false. For a young college man to admit to using “a little pot, a little blow” carries a far different connotation, especially to the right-wing racist wing of the republican party that dominates the tea party, than stating Barack Obama was a crack user, which is not much different from her saying that he is a Kenyan born Muslim. It is the kind of fine distinction that is a subtle exercise of a blatant form of racism that pervades much of right-wing conservative idealogy. Her comment comparing an incident in which Obama was perhaps rejecting unwanted advances from a girl, with a hurtful reply is far different than the kind of vicious physical attacks and bullying that I often fought against in high school; engaging in that type of alpha-male intolerant and forceful behavior at 17 is often very consistent with behavior later in life. Mitt’s money and family connections probably allowed him to be the intolerant, spineless, untruthful, ill-defined bully he indeed did grow up to be, rather than the common criminal many of the bullies I knew in high school turned out to be.

    • donniethebrasco

       I think that it is wrong for Romney to belong to a racist church and support a domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers.

    • Seamus B. H. Q.

      I agree wholeheartedly with Billiejak’s comments about Mona Charen’s misrepresentation of Obama’s memoir.  If he HAD tried crack and admitted it I probably wouldn’t be AS bothered as I am by someone using this type of subtle racial slur that is totally fabricated just to get a dig in at the president!  IT’S A LIE!  Please don’t have her back on your show.  If you want a conservative who isn’t a journalist (at least Major Garrett has the journalistic bona fides to warrant being invited on to your show) or a scholar but simply an opinion columnist, could you please find one who isn’t so blatantly far right-wing?  Someone with more moderate or mainstream views?

      • Azra

        . . . or at least someone who is armed with facts, instead of their opinions.

        • Still Here

          Should be easy to shoot her down then.  Have at it. 

          • Azra

            I just did.

            (please see above remarks.)

          • Still Here

            Please repeat them, because I don’t see anything. 

    • Brettearle

      Your comment is cogent and thoughtful–but I would disagree with one aspect of it.

      You are too cynical about people’s behavior, when young–as if they can never change.

      Not true.  People can and do.

      I’m not talking necessarily about AA, or other 12 Step Programs, or about Psychotherapy. 

      I simply talking about how human nature can change, for the better, for the worse, or stay the same–depending upon circumstances and conditions. 

      • Billiejak

        Brettearle–I completely agree with you, and am not as cynical as you may think: I am a shining (or not so shining) example of undergoing great change from my youth through adulthood–I have also seen such change for the better many, many times, and research shows the malleability, plasticity and impulsivity of young and adolescent brains and behavior. And the post by Charles and your thoughtful reply are certainly proof of this. That being said, extreme bullying of this nature (and it would be judged that by me by any standards both contemporary, and back in the day when such events were relatively common, although the hair cutting is pretty unique (for me late 60′s-70′s)), coupled with later lack of remorse or recall, is disturbing. I have seen murderers and criminals who were close aquaintances of mine actually turn their lives around spectacularly; conversely I have seen many bullies who engaged in the kind of behavior Mitt exhibited as a privileged 18 year old, in an extraordinarily protective environment ,turn out to be as bad or worse than those criminals and murderers (and in one case commit murder) as adults, and continue to live lives of violence and exploitation of those weaker than themselves; in many of these cases there was a poisonous meanness of spirit and need for control and dominance that was very deeply ingrained and intractable–its is a kind of sociopathy that combines great insecurity with a protective, arrogant illusory self-confidence and is not easily mitigated; that behavior became a particular target of mine (having been the victim of frighteningly violent bullying and assault from 12-14) that I specifically intervened (bullying the bullies I called it) in during  high school and later, and still do. Also, in Mitt’s case I have had a somewhat unique relationship with him, and have seen in his behavior (now obviously in hindsight) as a political figure in Mass the kind of petulant, bullying, lack of empathic connection or possession of a steady set of “moral” convictions ( chameleon-like), that does seem to reify some of his earlier behavior traits-but transmuted through the lens of power, privilege and education, which can modify, but in his case I think, not change. Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

        • Brettearle

          Hi…..

          I’m injesting it [the `it' being your poignant comments].

          To be hackneyed about it, human nature is incredible, ugly, and complex.

          We are all capable of great deeds and are capable of great misdeeds.

          By writing a short sweeping comment, here, is not intended to make short shrift of your own ideas….

          I am reading them and am pondering them.

          Have you ever read, MAN’S SEARCH FOR MEANING?

          I wish I didn’t feel the way I do–but I do not believe the following about Romney:  that he is an Ogre.

          I think he’s obnoxious, a “sphincter”, entitled, arrogant, excessively ambitious, somewhat narcissistic–but I do NOT see him as a monster.

          However, some might regard my description of him, to add up to him being a monster.

          Can I assume that your name was 
          derived from the “cult film”–which still stands as a unique, if not maudlin time-capsule of the late 60s?

          Did you know that Tom Laughlin (sp?) actually ran for President–or at least was thinking about it–at one time? 

    • Sigmund5

      On Point Radio is better than Mona.  Please don’t let her come back.  She doesn’t engage in dialogue she just says code words and talking points that I can hear on any discussion page.

  • Matt Wade

    Is Mona reading directly from a Karl Rove provided transcript? Being a syndicated columnist must be the easiest job ever when you don’t have to think critically (David Brooks just bought a $4 million house!!!) If I wanted someone to fill my ears with right wing nonsense I’d watch fox news.

    • Still Here

      No refutations.  Sorry only critical thinkers agree with you.

  • Matt Wade

    Mitt Romney is a real-life Patrick Bateman. Yikes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:

    As I predicted before Romney will be the Republican presidential candidate but he will never win at the 2012 Presidential election against Obama.

  • Bob in Manchester, CT

    Mona Charen this morning shows herself to be like all the other right-wing nuts, in this case over Romney’s behavior as a teenager.  She failed to see the irony when she tried to show that Obama was a bad boy __by reading about incidents from Obama’s book__!  He owned up to his indiscretions by writing about them; it took journalists to uncover Romney’s actions, & then Romney says he has no recollection of the actions.  As was stated on the program by a caller, it’s bad enough that he may be lying about it, but it’s vastly more frightening if (this time) he’s telling the truth: for how do you erase from memory a vicious gang attack on a fellow student?

    • Sigmund5

       Obama was also 11 and not 18!!!!!

  • stasko

    mit born in 47…incident in 65…..this hair cutting gang bang is by an adult at age 18.  If he cannot remember what he did at age 18, then no business being the most powerful man in the world.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    My generation can accept change but the older generation like the baby boomers will have to fight the new generation to stop the “Change” but they will fail.

  • SteveV

    Romney didn’t remember the incident, yet 5 others have vivid recollections that
    haunt them to this day? Give me a break. Speaking for myself, in high school I
    once bullied an overweight classmate. This also has haunted me. I can’t believe
    I did such a cruel thing to another person. I did, however, vow never to treat
    someone like this again and have not done so. If Romney had admitted to the act,
    learned from it, showed remorse, my reaction to him would have been different.
    But his denial and referral to “pranks” speaks volumes to his character (or lack thereof). And
    Mona Charen, apparently you are another person who just doesn’t get it.

  • Charles A. Bowsher

    Why Romney worries me.

    I am commenting still feeling the shame 44 years later of having bullied a fellow classmate in our Catholic grade school (4th and 5th grade).  I finally managed the courage to track down our victim via the phone and apologize for the cruelty I and others had inflicted upon him so many years ago.  I say “managed the courage” because bullying is the act of a coward, as is torture. The memory of the cruelty we inflicted still brings tears to my eyes and causes my heart to ache for the unknown damage we inflicted upon him.  I still can’t  really imagine the hurt he felt then and probably now.  I just knew in my heart of hearts that he deserved an apology.

    When I finally contacted him he said he had no memory of it, but his life’s work tells another story.  I will say no more of that, only that fate sometimes has a strange way of making great good of one’s evil deeds, sometimes.  I don’t feel redeemed by my apology.  That is not why I made it. I just knew that he deserved at least one apology from one of us.

    He was our target for taunts and one day we used a jump rope (my idea) to snag his legs and drag him around the play fields. We finished by tying him to an outbuilding at the end of recess. That is the memory that most burns inside of me still to this day.  I have this memory (I honestly don’t know whether it is true or not) that one day I spoke out on his behalf and said “this is wrong, we should not be doing this”, but I fear it is a wistful memory only.  I am less haunted by the memory than I was, but I will never forget.

    For Romney to say he has no memory of the High School incident described in the Post article speaks volumes about his character, his genuineness and his honesty.  It appears to me that he is not to be believed on this and many things.  My friends who participated in the cruelty in grade school did not understand why I bothered to apologize so many decades later.  In circumstances like this I feel that real healing has the best chance of occurring when there is recognition of the wrong and a sincere apology is offered.  I think that he deserved that chance.

    • Still Here

      You are sick.

      • Brettearle

        He’s sick because he’s willing to admit his wrongdoing?

        I don’t understand….

        • jefe68

          That’s his MO. He comes on here all the time to rant and calls people idiots and sickos. It’s all rather boring and childish.

      • Alan in NH

         What does your comment mean? Sick in what way? Without some explanation/clarification, calling someone “sick” is mere epithet, and does not say much of anything.

    • Brettearle

      I salute your comment.  I have a great deal of respect for it.

      I do not like Romeny, in any case.

      However, I think that you must realize that some people use psychological Denial–a bonified defense mechanism–as well as Compartmentalization, to ward off their responsibility for misdeeds.

      Indeed, my belief is that the more arrogant you are (tied in, in this case, with being excessively ambitious), the more likely you are to practice denial, with regard to any wrongdoing.

      Those who feel that they can either do no wrong, or else very little wrong, are the ones who, especially, cannot concede that they have done something wrong. 

      • Brettearle

        Romney misspelled by mistake.  No `Edit’ option, available.

        • Azra

          Do do you mean that Mitt is mentally ill?

          • Brettearle

            Does your life experience tell you that people can be in denial, about their own wrongdoing, without actually being mentally ill?

            My own life experience tells me that this is so.

            Perhaps your definition of mental illness is broader than mine.

            But I would argue that competent psychiatrists would say that Denial is a very, very common defense mechanism in human beings. 

  • Matt Wade

    Lest we forget:  Just four years after Wall Street pushed our financial system to the
    breaking point, Romney is effectively telling the public, “Vote for me
    so I can roll back the clock and make things easier on the Wall Street
    elite.” Romney not only wants to scrap the entirety of Dodd-Frank, created after
    Wall Street recklessness nearly collapsed the global financial system
    in 2008, the Republican also wants to eliminate Sarbanes-Oxley, created after the 2002 accounting scandals, including Enron.

    • donniethebrasco

       Don’t you realize that the Real Estate bubble happened because of loose money policy supported by Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?

      Washington first asked banks nicely to lend to marginal borrowers.  Then, they allowed no-doc loans using 1.9% starter rates to qualify people for homes.

      When more people have money to buy houses, the prices go up.  This caused hyper-inflation in homes.

      When the defaults broke the liquidity of our banking system, the bubble crashed and banks went belly up.

      The real estate bubble was directly linked to government policy and incentives.  Dodd and Frank are the true criminals who used the government and the financial system to expand home ownership.  They made the process and money so easy that people who had no business buying a house feel stupid if they didn’t.

      • Guest

        You are correct.  There are many, many guilty parties in the collapse of the housing market, but the one guilty party which enabled all of the others is the government and its housing policies.

      • Brettearle

        Oh sure,

        All the people and institutions, above, put a gun to the heads of the Casino Gamblers on Wall Street–so that they could bundle together credit default swaps, DIRECTLY leading to the 2007 Economic collapse.

        Oh, sure….

        Your political bias has a real stench to it.  

        You mention Dodd, Frank.

        But does the above commenter mention, Regan, Bush I, or Bush II?

        Of course not.

        [But I would, of course, throw Clinton in, on that list, as well.]

      • nj_v2

        Bogus, widely refuted nonsense.

    • Brettearle

      The sick irony, of the presumptive Republican candidate for President possibly being President, is nearly intolerable to contemplate:

      The VERY dysfunctional greed of Wall Street–leading to the 2007 collapse–is, symbolically, reembodied in the Private Equity Mitt Romney.

      Private Equity investors ALWAYS get their money back.  Not so Venture Capitalists.

      Hail the 1%, Mr. Romney…..

    • Guest

      It is unforgivable that the Republicans want to eliminate the immensely effective Sarbanes-Oxley act.  Without the protections that this act affords, the country might end up with scandals like Bernie Madoff, MF Global, a housing collapse, or the bankruptcy of investment banks.  No, wait, these things happened after the implementation of Sarbanes-Oxley.  Hmmm, maybe Sarbanes-Oxley isn’t so effective after all.  But why repeal a law only because it isn’t working.

  • Greyman

    WHAT “austerity”? or, WHAT IS “austerity”?
    I don’t know from the data what allocations and misallocations the governments of the Eurozone countries are making, but the data released by Veronique de Rugy of the Mercatus Center @ George Mason Univ. show, as do OECD data, that not one of these governments spent less in 2011 than in 2004.
      

    http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2012/05/how-savage-has-european-austerity-been.html

    The implication American auditors continue to get from use of the loaded term “austerity” is that state budgets have been cut to the bone and social services have all been slashed to levels comparable to levels in the immediate aftermath of WWII. The data cited at this link clearly do not support that view.
     –so what does “austerity” consist of? If it means that tax rates are going up (or have gone up) to support governement spending that has not significantly been curtailed or cut, why are we not told instead (by NPR and numerous media outlets) that Europeans are feeling the bite of new taxes (with specific information about what these higher taxes consist of: income taxes, VAT increases, business tax increases, fee increases, etc.)? The American public could stand the stark reality of hearing about pain and public distress coming from onerous taxation, but we don’t get this story, either.
    The American public is owed an IMMENSE debt of clarification. The media’s facile, imprecise, and misleading use of “austerity” to name this phenomenon continues apace, however, as we get our eyes and ears filled with “austerity austerity austerity” every day. Granted, economists don’t agree on what to name the phenomenon, but journalists are plain LAZY when they fail to explain and describe the economic and fiscal phenomena without relying on a convenient shorthand that fails to inform, risks suppressing unpleasant truth, and goes a long way towards misleading.

    • Guest

      I think they’re using the alternative government definition of austerity:  I was going to increase spending $5 trillion dollars, but they forced me to limit the increase to $4 trillion, therefore austerity has been imposed.

      • Still Here

        I pity you, try to cope.  How many union votes can you buy with only $4 trillion? 

        • Ray in VT

          One doesn’t really need to buy union votes.  They tend to know who’s on their side.

          • Azra

            As do the common folk.

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t know.  There seem to be an awful lot of people who vote against their economic interests.  So from my perspective as a liberal that means poor people voting for the GOP.

          • ana

            Republicans of my acquaintance have one objective in mind i.e to see Barack Obama defeated even if some of his policies benefit them.  His “otherness”is too much for them  It is not just  racial, but a deep suspician that he is un-American and wants to undo America.  To a person, these people are right wing media devotees.

          • Greyman

            Ray, you live in Vermont, not West Virginia. Apparently, the Democratic voters of West Virginia know full well where their economic interests are, since they are voting atop the coal that makes life there possible. Obama’s energy initiatives and environmental policies are not aligned with the sentiments of West Virginia’s Democratic voters. Why do New Englanders of your ilk think you are so well equipped to tell people who don’t live in New England exactly where their economic interests are? “Galling presumption on your part”, I am calling it.

          • Alan in NH

             except in West Virginia and similar locales where they don’t seem to have this perspective. Curious.

        • TomK in Boston

          Talking point alert!

          You apparently haven’t noticed that unions have been almost destroyed by 32 years of class warfare, so they’re not really a very good bogeyman anymore. That doesn’t stop the right. It’s always yes, we may have let the corporations loose with citizens united, but hey, the unions can spend all they want, too. Great balance, unions on their deathbed vs corporations on steroids.

  • Suzvt

    I didn’t read Obama’s book, but being a jerk, one on one’ as a youth is so different than leading a crowd to physically hold down one other youth, cut his hair as he cried out is another. Romney can’t even claim to be following the crowd, he led the crowd. Mob mentality is cowardly and being the victim of one must be unbelievably terrifying. If Romney could at least be man enough to admit his behavior and apologize it would at least imply he had changed. I do not believe he cares one bit about the common man, only about moving up in his career. I hope I never have to listen to the biased Mona again. It’s so insulting that she thinks we could fall for her narrow republican manifesto.

    • donniethebrasco

      I think that it is wrong for Romney to belong to a racist church and support a domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers.

      • TomK in Boston

        Etcha’s leveraged buyout activities terrorized more Americans than Ayres ever dreamed of.

      • Brettearle

        I think it is wrong for Obama to be a Private Equity investor, who invades dying companies and takes out his own investment, if they are still going to go under.

        • TomK in Boston

          They’re only dying after Etcha gets through with them.

          • Brettearle

            Ha. Ha.

            Such a one-sentence `Sketch’ you wrote.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          ???

          • Brettearle

            Terry–

            If you read carefully, above, you will see that what I said about Obama and Private Equity was sarcastic satire.

      • Brettearle

        i think it is wrong for Obama–if he were a sitting governor–to be out of his state, for half of the days that he’s in office, when he is running for higher office.

        • donniethebrasco

           Obama did something besides kill Osama bin Laden and win the Nobel Peace prize?

    • Brettearle

      I do not like Romney.

      In fact, I almost can’t stand him.

      That having been said, there are plenty of people who cause destruction in others’ lives–when they are young–who grow up to be upstanding citizens and people.

      Donny Wahlberg might be a good example–but there are hundreds of thousands of others.

      I strongly support Obama.

      • Azra

        Yes, there are people who grow up to be upstanding citizens and people, but as we can see, Mitt isn’t one of them.

        Seamus

    • TomK in Boston

      The point is that all the pieces fit. Etcha’s prep school behavior is just like his adult behavior as a leveraged buyout con man and overall overprivileged snob. It is crystal clear what we get with this guy, and we better keep him out of the WH!

    • Sigmund5

       Obama was 11 when he pushed a girl not a Man in high school!

  • Gregg

    Blacks (mostly Democrats) voted overwhelmingly in favor of Amendment 1 in NC Tuesday.

    • Still Here

      I think they might be inclined to stay home in November.

      • Gregg

        President Obama’s views “evolved” him out of an NC win in November.

        • Ray in VT

          It’s my understanding that homosexuality and homosexuals are not popular in the African-American community, but I’m not sure that it will cost the President much among that voting block.  They might stay home, but I can’t see them voting for Romney because of that one issue.  If he loses some votes there, maybe that just his pottage moment.

          • Gregg

            Yea, I probably overstated it. The first editorials around here tried to paint the result as bigoted (typical race card stuff) so it was interesting to me that the actual numbers show the opposite. In general blacks are religious, pro-life, anti-gay and Democrat, which kinda’ slays a lot of stereotypes about the Republican monopoly on those issues.

          • Ray in VT

            I think that it is interesting how minorities seem to often go at each other.  It is my general understanding that blacks and latinos don’t get along, and I heard some stuff from the Prop 8 vote in California that the gay community felt a bit stabbed in the back by African-Americans who voted against gay marriage.  There was a great clip that the Daily Show ran a while back of a black woman in New Jersey talking about how years ago she would not have had a voice, and now she did, and she was going to use it to oppose gay marriage.

          • Hidan

             It’s the older generations that tend to. The younger with the exception of gangs and prison tend not to.

            I think many blacks were pissed about the Gay community trying to compare Gay Marriage to the Civil Rights movement. My Grandparents could care less if gays get married or not but were pissed that gays were comparing gay marriage to the civil rights so both didn’t vote. Others of their generations felt the same or voted against it in CA base on the insult they felt. No saying it’s right but many have express such feeling.

            I think the way the gay community went about things and the fear tactics on the right is what did them in.

        • im not perfect

          Jeez, stating an opinion based on your own honestly-held beliefs, whether or not it wins you votes.  One more difference between Obama and Romney, no?

          • nj_v2

            Don’t be silly. Everything Oily Bomber does is politically calculated, researched, projected.

            They knew that the overall political gain would compensate for the potential loss of North Carolina in November.

        • Zero

          Just curious.  How you liking the fine universities of North Carolina liberalizing your state? 

          It is becoming more liberal there, is it not?

  • TomK in Boston

    You gotta see the naked class warfare from TeaOP favorite Walker. It’s no surprise, but you don’t usually get to hear them actually tell the truth about their plans:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX69a45LFLI

  • JayB

    Ms. Charen would have done well to continue reading that passage of Obama’s book:

    “For the rest of the afternoon I was haunted by the look on Coretta’s
    face just before she started to run: her disappointment and the
    accusation. I wanted to explain to her somehow that it had been nothing
    personal; I’d just never had a girlfriend before and saw no particular
    reason to have one now. But I didn’t even know if that was true. I
    knew only that it was too late for explanations, that somehow I’d been
    tested and found wanting; and whenever I snuck a glance at Coretta’s
    desk, I would see her with her head bent over her work, appearing as if
    nothing had happened, pulled into herself and asking no favors.”

    Compared that to Romney’s “I don’t even remember the incident” and his namby-pamby “IF I offended anyone, THEN I apologize” (but if not, then I didn’t do anything wrong) pseudo-apology.

    Obama knows he did wrong and challenges himself to be a better person; Romney is just an empathy black hole.

    • Sigmund5

       Obama was 11 or 12 not a senior in high school!

    • Oedipa

      I’ll take a guy who has proven he can be introspective (and shared it with us) over a guy whose core beliefs and sentiments are unreachable.

    • William

      I never knew about Obama’s attack on that girl. I guess the press missed it.

  • Vernon

    I was glad to see that Lugar lost his primary.  Lugar is a supporter of the apartheid state of Israel, and anybody who supports apartheid countries like Israel, should be voted out of office!

    • Brettearle

      Oh, sure, Vernon, the Israelis are like Afrikaners, Vernon, oh sure…..

      Israel has been surrounded by enemies, or potential enemies for centuries;

      Israel has historical claims to land, as do the Palestinians.

      Israel has never publicly sworn to destroy any peoples, regions, or countries, publicly–and I doubt that they have, privately.

      But that isn’t the case with Hamas or Iran, now is it?

      Good comment, Vernon….indeed, I’d go as far as to say, that it’s one of On Point’s best, in recent years…..

      • Hidan

        Per Dan Meridor: We misquoted Ahmadinejad -


        Israel has never publicly sworn to destroy any peoples, regions, or countries, publicly–and I doubt that they have, privately.”

        Many in the Likud government openly state that Palestinians don’t exist and should be forced to relocate to Jordan(ethic cleansing) Israel F.M. stated that he wants to take away non-jewish citiizenship solerly base on not being jewish and force them to be part of the new state.


        But that isn’t the case with Hamas or Iran, now is it?”

        Iran called for democracy and Hamas said it’s acceptable if Israel went back to it’s 1967 boarder.

        The reasoning for denying rights in South Afirca and Israel are often the same and calling non-jews demographic threats are clearly racist much like the South Afrikaners said about blacks. While non-jews tend to vote (until recently) about 80% of there population with 20% of the population they only make up 11% of the Knesset and have pretty much no say in any form of politics, live on about 5-3% of the land, discriminated in security jobs and only make up 5% of professional jobs while receiving 3-5% of the State Budget. Two laws recently allows for Jewish communities to deny entry to Non-jewish citizens another banns boycotts of illegal settlements in the west bank.

        I don’t like hamas or Iran but Israel’s government is just as nasty  

        • Brettearle

          Please cite your sources to back up your claims–or forever hold your peace.

        • Brettearle

          There is no question that in some ways the Palestinians deserve better treatment.

          So do Israelis.

          But I firmly dispute most of what you say.

          Indeed, I believe that you’re FULL OF BULL with regard to Hamas and Iran and the position of anything but the radical faction of Likud.

          • Hidan

            The radical faction of Likud is running the government.

            Dan Meridor: We misquoted Ahmadinejad

            Talk to Al Jazeera Last Modified: 16 Apr 2012 14:05 BBC Q  and A Israeli arabs middle_east/8165338.stm”Although determining accurate figures is difficult, advocacy groups say Israeli Arabs now live on about 3% of the land in Israel, despite making up about 20% of the population.”Thursday, 23 July 2009 (possiable 5% now)”For all but one of the past five years, Israeli-Arab communities have received less than 5% of government development funding each year, according to the Mossawa advocacy centre”Knesset passes two bills slammed as discriminatory by Published 02:53 24.03.11One bill allows communities to screen potential new residents, and another bars public funding of entities that ‘undermine foundations of the state and contradict its values.’Jul 11, 2011Israel passes law banning calls for boycott Opposition blasts law, which penalizes persons or organizations who call for a boycott of Israel or the settlements, calling it unconstitutional and irresponsible 

          • Hidan

            disque acting up

          • Hidan

            Hamas Foreign Minister: We Accept Two-State Solution With ’67 – NPRMay 17, 2011 – Hamas’ Deputy Foreign Minister Ghazi Hamad told NPR’s Robert Siegel that the Islamic political party has accepted a two-state solution that

          • Hidan

            Report: ’60 Minutes’ Cut Ahmadinejad’s Statement, ‘Solution Is Democracy’ in Israel/Palestine
             
            by Philip Weiss on September 7, 2008
             
            representativepress show both videos one edited and one not.

          • YouKnowWho

            Best of selecting by our jihad supporters
            https://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/05/24/136403918/hamas-foreign-minister-we-accept-two-state-solution-with-67-borders

            Hamad also said Hamas was “not in the pocket” of Iran or Syria. Hamad made much the same comments on the BBC’s Hardtalk. But PressTV, the Iranian government’s English-language news service, reports that Hamad told them Hamas would “never recognize Israel.”

          • YouKnowWho

            “Best of selective quotation”

          • YouKnowWho

            Of C-A-U-S-E he is full of it. You should see these clowns on NPR board ganging up on Israeli supporters. It is hilarious.

          • Hidan

            Still stalking? I recommend you stop

            NPR Mod’s take note this seems to be an alt of Plushkin

            She’s back

          • YouKnowWho

            Why would I ever listen to YOUR recommendations, racist?

          • YouKnowWho

            Regarding so-called “stalking” — why would you type the idiotic comments that you do if not for people to notice and kick your ass across the whole internet? So let’s be frank here. You’re an attention whore and are getting what you’ve asked for. Get it?

          • Hidan

            If we’re being frank it seems your a creepy stalker with Hubby problems. As I stated before reported you.

            Frankly speaking you can’t even use Plushkin and has slink even more into the shadows of the web.

            “Youknowwho” hidad.

            That’s not the sign of a stalker. Is your hubby aware your stalking others men across the web?

            Frankly speaking you think or maybe hope you can stop me from commenting and  its your own problems/issue that your comments on NPR get owned so you probably hope that someone here will help you. But it’s not going to be the case.

            Frankly speaking you don’t dispute,challenge or even debunk it.

            Frankly Israel is a Violent racist state based on fairlytale myths as believable as the Easter Bunny.

          • FigtingHidansHate

            what a pitiful being you’re!

            You need a break from you all your ‘activism’ — go study something, like cohesive writing for starters, might do you some good, who knows.

            A collection of your wall posts to barada_nikto will be posted here when the time is right.

          • Hidan

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          • aj

            Ingenious Hidan! It is Plushkin.

          • Hidan

            But she still stalks me on NPR, of course in the shadows. She uses onpoint cause she knows she can get away with more here.

            She’s been warn and reported.

          • aj

            LOL! LOL!!

          • Hidan

            Poor ‘lil cry baby!

      • Vernon

        Israel did a mighty fine job of turning Beirut into a heap of rubble back in 2006.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          You forgot the Syrians and the PLO who also destroyed Beirut.

          • aj

            Beirut is IN Syria.

            And Fax, could you enlighten me on why the P! LO was in Beirut in the first place?

          • Brettearle

            Of course Beirut is in Syria.

            And Damascus is in Lebanon.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            lol

          • aj

            Those islands belong to China FAX. Ain’t nothing funny about that, huh?

          • aj

            Witty, but alas incorrect. At least we can both agree that Beirut is definitively not in ‘Israel.’

          • aj

            And yet ‘Israel’ is always in Beirut.  

          • YouKnowWho

            They are there (if they are) on Hizbollah invitation.

          • aj

            They

            are

            their.

            Their

            F16′s

            illegally

            violate

            Beirut

            airspace

            every

            day.
             

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Simple Israel helped the Christians of Lebanon and the Syrians helped the PLO guerillas.

          • aj

            Nothing in ‘Lebanon’ (Syria) is that simple. And you didn’t even answer my question. It was a simple honest question FAX and all you did was hock a big wet Fillipino loogey on it. I will avoid any further conversing with you on middle eastern issues.

            Your map of disputed islands in the S.China sea was most informative however.

          • Vernon

            It was Israeli F-16′s and the bombs that they dropped, that flattened Beirut.

            P.S. those Israeli F-16′s that flattened Beirut, were paid for with our tax dollars!

            And we wonder why we’re so hated and despised in the Arab/Muslim world?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Saudi Arabia and other middle east  coutried also has F-16. sp they used those planes against muslims. The people will blame America because they are using F-16.

            Duh!!!

          • Vernon

            Hey Einstein,

            it was Israeli F-16′s, paid for by US tax payers, that bombed Beirut in 2006, not Saudi F-16′s.

            Got it?

          • YouKnowWho

            Hezbollah invited them in. Place the blame with whom it belongs, Newton.

          • aj

            Don’t forget the illegal cluster bombs, some of which maim children to this day.

            But lets be frank Vernon, most people on this forum dont give a shit about Lebanese children or their well being.

          • Hidan

            Some complain about the fox bubble, yet seem to do the same in regards to Israel

            You catch Dan Meirdor saying Iran never said wipe Israel off the map? 23 mins and debunks one of the many myths even on the wbur thread gets promoted.

          • YouKnowWho

            Nor should they care: according to you there are NO Lebanon, is is all Syria!

          • aj

            There are Californian children, but it is all the United states is it not?

            Hizzbollah was formed AFTER the boorish ‘Israel’ army decided to sit its fat smelly ass in a defenseless ‘Lebanon.’ So your narrative is flawed.

          • YouKnowWho

            But there  is California STATE at the same time. 

            Israel left  Lebanon in 2000, your pals from Hezzi invited them back in in 2006 (which is what we were talking about). Your reading comprehension is flawed.

          • aj

            NO

            YOUR

            WRONG!!!

            ISRAEL
            NEVER

            LEFT!!!

            THEY

            VIOLATE

            AIRSPACE

            DAILY!

            AND!

            THEY

            OCCUPY

            SHABAA

            FARMS!

            AND

            THE

            GOLAN

            HEIGHTS!

            P.S.

            BITE

            ME!

        • Hidan

          Samson option,

          not only nuke the enemy but also it’s neigbhors or non-enemies.

          There’s also the Dahiya doctrine which deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population, thereby establishing deterrence 

          • YouKnowWho

            Yep and there is also Sharia Law which tramps everything for Hidan and his ilk

  • J__o__h__n

    Compare Romney to Bush in the same year of the bullying haircut:

    On this occasion, however, someone we all believed to be gay walked by, although the word we used in those days was “queer.” Someone, I’m sorry to say, snidely used that word as he walked by.
    George heard it and, most uncharacteristically, snapped: “Shut up.” Then he said, in words I can remember almost verbatim: “Why don’t you try walking in his shoes for a while and see how it feels before you make a comment like that?”

    http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/20/opinion/oe-davis20

    • DMN

      Interesting anecdote.

  • Bbdenten

    what are the Green and Libertarian parties saying about the issues?

  • Sigmund5

    Please don’t have Mona on anymore.  If she isn’t going to answer any questions put forth and just lists “defenses” from the right wing why have her as a guest?  I can read her “take” on the romney assault on every newspage/blog.
     

    • DMN

      Yup.

    • Oedipa

       And the blogs are of the Breitbart/Daily Caller ilk. Yuk.

  • Sigmund5

    Please don’t have Mona on again.  I will tune into Diane Rehms the next time I hear her.
     

    • JayB

      People like David Gergen offer up reasoned, intelligent conservative critiques, free of disingenuity and unbeholden to the party line.  Even if I don’t agree with them, I can respect what they have to say.  Have such commentors gone the way of the dodo?  Can WBUR simply not find rational people to express conservative thought anymore?

      • Azra

        They have been harder and harder to find, and will soon, I fear, become extinct.

        • nj_v2

          The crazies have taken over the Recons and hijacked conservatism. 

          Huntsman, the only sane, serious, thoughtful, candidate of the bunch, was all but ignored.

          • aj

            Which one of those is Ron Paul not? Be intellectually honest.

          • nj_v2

            You mean the fact that he regards climate change as a “hoax,” or that he’s not down with evolution “as a theory,” or that a newsletter bearing his name published blatantly racist stories for years?

            Why do you keep beating the dead, Paul horse?

          • aj

            Why must you retreat to your copy and paste talking points. I am trying to have an adult conversation with you.

            He respects evolution, he just doesn’t think the Fed govt has any role in education. That doesn’y make him insane, unserious, or unthoughtful.

            You can’t be intellectually honest, and tell me that DrPaul is “unthoughtful”? Come on nj! Your smarter than that!

            The Paul horse is anything but dead. This is the time of year, of the state Republican conventions, where the caucus delegates tally delegate votes for the National Republican Convention. And guess what? Dr Paul is winning all the states!

            State for the record that Ron Paul is thoughtful and sane. Don’t slander a veteran of the USAir Force just because you disagree with him. It’s beneath you.

            I’ll address greenhouse gas effect, and his newsletters later.

            Disavow your previous insult of the distinguished Congressman nj. 

          • nj_v2

            As i’ve said before, just because he has appealing positions on some issues, no amount of apologizing and excuse making can reconcile his stated views on evolution and climate change with current, broadly accepted science. It’s sad.

          • aj

            Your a robot. I thought you were an intellectual. My mistake.

          • Azra

            Agree with him or not, Ron Paul deserves a lot of respect for not pandering, and for having the COURAGE of his convictions. In those, and other ways, he’s the exact opposite of Mitt, (the perpetual butt kisser), who contradicts himself at least once a day, depending on his audience, and on which way the wind is blowing.

            Ron Paul, going by just the little coverage I’ve seen of him, has always been a gentleman, hasn’t interruped, shouted, or lost his temper. He even has a sense of humor, and comes across as a decent person.

            How many of those traits can honestly be applied to wishy-washy, “me too Mitt”, who doesn’t even know where he stands on the issues anymore, who is only grasping at straws now, by saying that he’ll “take credit” for things he’s been opposed to all along.

            When all is said and done, character matters. If Ron Paul is still in the Race when Romney self-destructs, (it’s only a matter of time), who knows what might happen?

          • Azra

            I agree. I also liked him. Sanity doesn’t sell. Things are much more fun at the lunatic fringe.

          • feettothefire

             The saddest thing about Republicans is the fact that at various times in the past eight or nine months they have made media darlings of the likes of Michele  Bachmann, Herman Cain, Perry, Gingrich, and Santorum. I can’t imagine having to try to get myself worked up over Romney’s campaign, let alone one of these superstars.

      • feettothefire

         I don’t know about NPR’S efforts, but conservatives don’t even LIKE rational, thoughtful discourse. They reject as conservative-lite thoughtful, tempered folks like Gergen, David Brooks, George Will, Alan Simpson, and John Huntsman. William F. Buckley, Jr. was the father of modern Consevatism. He was brilliant. He would be detested by the majority of conservatives today, in favor of knuckleheaded “entertainers” like Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, O’reilly, and Coulter, none of whom could carry Buckley’s jock. Even that old Xenophobe Pat Buchannan puts to shame all the dopes todays conservatives choose to love.

    • Oedipa

      She was reading tripe right of off of The Daily Caller. Pathetic.

  • Vernon

    God bless Jimmy Carter for having the courage to call Israel what it really is, an apartheid state.

  • Markus

    As I looked over the criticism of Romney for what happened 40 years ago, I asked myself with all the other more recent info, how can they conclude so much about him from this. Haven’t we all grown and matured since high school? Then I realized I answered my own question.

    • Azra

      Yes, today’s behavior is on par with what he was like all those years ago, except that it is no longer physical bullying, that we know of.

      Of course, Seamus Romney would beg to differ, and would give examples of Mitt inflicting both physical and mental anguish.

      • TomK in Boston

        Exactly. His Leveraged Buyout activities are just bullying on a grander scale.

  • J__o__h__n

    Is his bullying going to cost Romney the fake blond vote?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Best comment today!!!

    • TomK in Boston

      I don’t know, but it will probably help him with the extreme right.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       No, but is Obama’s bullying going to cost him the girlfriend vote?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Fake blonde, or Real Blonde?  ALL the blonde votes?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:

    Time magazine cover story is MILF to me. I thought the kid was just a model but actually the son of Jamie Lynne Grumet (woman breast feeding).

    if he wasn’t the son that kid was lucky.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      sorry about the perverted joke.

  • twenty-niner

    From the Department of Completely Ineffectual Government:

    Oblamer has had three years to put credit default swaps (the same financial land mines that de-railed the finacial industry in ’08) on an exchange where they could be traded with full transparency, allowing for optimal price discovery. And yet they still lie six inches below ground giving the illusion of a clean financial landscape.

    Standby for a repeat of 2008: Wicked volatile markets in the Fall and a new President in November, unfortunately, equally inept.

    • jimino

      I won’t disagree that the Obama administration has been complicit in this, but you can’t possibly believe that the main opponents of accomplishing what you suggest aren’t Republicans in Congress, led by their masters in the financial sector.  The action you desire was part of the original Dodd-Frank bill that has been lobbied, stalled and sued into oblivion by those same bad actors that caused the financial meltdown.  Here’s the story:
       

      http://www.businessinsider.com/matt-taibbi-the-complete-story-of-how-wall-street-killed-financial-regulation-in-5-terrifying-steps-2012-5

      • twenty-niner

        First off, putting CDS on an exchange is a simple regulation that could be done by the SEC on its own, which is under the perview of the Executive Branch; and secondly, why would Obama want to make life any harder for his buddies on Wall Street?
         
        JPMorgan Employees Join Goldman Sachs Among Top Obama Donors
         
        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-20/jpmorgan-employees-join-goldman-sachs-among-top-obama-donors.html
         

        • JGC

          I thought the Dimon/Obama bromance was over.  Maybe it is just the lower echelon employees donating to the Obama 2012 campaign.  Although I bet Jamie is wishing he would have taken one of those $40,000 seats at the Clooney fundraiser, now that Too Big to Fail has been reopened on his watch. 

    • TomK in Boston

      Yeah, turns out BHO is in bed with the banks. Some socialist, LOL. Pray for a FDR.

       The interesting thing is that JPM got these losses from a unit that was supposed to HEDGE risk. Once upon a time a hedge meant something that went up when your other holdings went down, decreasing overall volatility. Very conservative. When your hedge has become drunk gambling in crazy derivatives, THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM. Again, the losses were not from the “desk of wild speculation”, they were from the desk of hedging risk. I can’t imagine better proof that they don’t understand what they are doing, when hedging risk has become hyper risky. The derivatives are too complex for the bankers.

       We are in desperate need of lots of big gub’mint regulation of these cowboys. FDR appointed Joe Kennedy to head the SEC on the theory that it takes a crook to catch one. It’s high time we put someone like Markopolis, who figured out Madoff and handed him to the SEC, or some hedgie or other con man who has gone straight, in charge of the agencies and said “go get ‘em”.

      • twenty-niner

        In my view, the best regulation is simple and broad. An eight-grader should be able to understand it. For example, a conforming loan should require 15% down and provable income, no exceptions. All CDS need to be traded on a free and open exchange. All off balance sheet mark-to-fantasy assets need to go back on the balance sheet, etc.

        Obama squandered the political capital he had in 2008 by not squaring the financial system away when he had the chance, although I doubt he had the necessary will to affect any meaningful change.

        He should’ve left health care for another day and addressed the core financial problems that nearly sank and will likely still sink the economy.

        • TomK in Boston

          There has to be limits on WRITING CDS. Unlike insurance, you can write a CDS with no ability to pay if you lose your bet. IMO that simple fact was a big part of the crash.

  • Hidan

    From BBC
    11 May 2012
    Pentagon condemns ‘war on Islam’ US training class

    America’s top military officer has condemned a course taught at a US military college that advocated a “total war” against Muslims.
    The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen Martin Dempsey, said the course was “totally objectionable” and “against our values”.
    The voluntary course at the Joint Forces Staff College in Virginia also suggested possible nuclear attacks on holy Muslim cities such as Mecca.

    “We have now come to understand that there is no such thing as ‘moderate Islam’,” Lt Col Dooley said in the presentation last July.
    “It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction.”
    He added that international laws protecting civilians in armed conflicts – such as the Geneva Conventions were “no longer relevant”.

    • aj

      What’s remarkable is that most people have become so numb and conditioned in the last 12 years, that they probably don’t think twice about a report like this. It has become all routine. When in reality, it is perhaps one of the most hideous things that I could imagine being done in the name of my country and my tax dough. But what can you do? Nothing. Obama is G.W.Bush, when it comes to “national security” and Wall street. Obama is BETRAYAL manifested.

      Didn’t his stepfather teach him how to box or something? I would love to go a couple of rounds with his skinny ass in the ring. Naw, better yet, give that Jamie Dimon the gloves and a mouthpiece. Hell Yeah. I learned more from getting punched in the mouth, than anything they ever taught me in school. Dimon, Obama, Romney all got Harvard degrees, and I bet not one school yard fight between the three of them. 

      Thanks for the info cuz. I’m sending out a hot one for ya.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlgZYxJB2vY

      • Hidan
      • Hidan

         Of course this thinking wouldn’t stop as Muslims, Just look at Tom’s Guest Mona, she’s openly hostile toward blacks and arabs and of course Muslims and according to Tom blog about fighting bigotry and racism prob shouldn’t be a guest yet here she is.

        With Fair and Balance media and one sides an extremist it’s quite hard to keep up the false equivalence. For example the U.S. supports a country blindly that calls it’s minority an demographic threat based on not being the right race/religion. It’s unacceptable to call police pigs or thugs yet the people they beat is totally acceptable.

        Sadly obama sold out to wall street who are turning there backs on him(which might actually be good for the country) but the good thing is that things once taboo are starting to be discussed.

  • Still Here

    Mona was great, thanks for having her on!

    • jimino

       Since you’re wrong about everything, she must not have been great.  Feel free to refute, with detailed facts, why you are not wrong about everything.

      • feettothefire

         He can’t. If he tried, he’d be wrong.

      • nj_v2

        With today’s performance, Still Here has ascended  to his rightful place as the forum Troll Buffoon King, replacing the once-great DeModavation. Contratulations!

  • aj

    I admire your stamina. But are you serious, really? I find Ann Coulter more credible, and she claimed that we had bombed Egypt!
     
    Mona is just one of Buckley’s lintball hangers on. Who is your favorite female blogger/columnist/author?

    • aj

      meant as a reply to Still Here below

  • thegreengrass

    These guests are boring. They’re making excuses for everything  Mitt Romney and conservatives do. The response to the Washington Post Romney bullying article of “oh well what if this were about Obama!” is essentially “oh yeah? well *you’re* a poopy head”. Dear lord WBUR, get more interesting guests.

  • JGC

    Just heard the U.S. Catholic Bishops are conducting an investigation of the Girl Scouts for possibility of teaching issues not in line with Catholic bishop orthodoxy. First the Vatican trying to silence the U.S. nuns, now the Girl Scouts…good grief,where does their aggressive control over females end? Wish Mona was still here to comment on this one!   

  • GMG

    An hour with Mona Charen in the mix turns this wonderful program into just another exercise in cutting through the latest misinformation coming out of the right-wing noise machine.  
    These Republicans, armed with nothing but the latest fortune-cookie handouts from Fox, seem completely willing to do or say anything to try to make themselves look good.  Unfortunately, it seems to work.  

  • aj

    True or False. The U.S. has had a homosexual as president?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      How should I know?  I’m not, so can’t verify anyone else.

      • aj

        The correct answer is True. Thanks for not playing.

        • Zero

          Was he pretty boy Reagan?

          • ozymandias

             Reagan was most certainly gay–i’m sure him and big gay john wayne had some sweaty evenings together–over-masculinity is good evidence of in-closet gayness.  Much of the south and texas–thats why they are filled with so much hate–self-loathing.  Its constipation.  They need a good big laxative.

          • Zero

            And the lone and level sands stretch far away.

             

        • Terry Tree Tree

          At least I replied!  Don’t I get a T shirt for that?

        • JGC

          OK, I’ll play…Let’s see…Could it be my fellow Pennsylvanian, President Buchanan, the president just before Lincoln was elected at the eve of the Civil War?  He was our only “bachelor” president, but that is no guarantee of certified homosexuality, is it?  Wait, can I check in with one of my lifelines before I make my final answer?

          • aj

            WINNER! WINNER! WINNER!! Step right up! One dollar to play, one dollar to win!

            He was our first POTUS of the homoerotic persuasion (unfortunately he was also the worst President of all time).

            Larry Flynt has confirmed it in his book. No certification required. Thank you for participating JGC. Your a good sport. lol

          • JGC

            Yabba dabba doo!  I would just like to thank my mother, my father, all my family, and special thanks to all my high school social studies teachers who maybe would have preferred to keep their concentration on their extracurricular sports coaching but somehow had to connect with the academic side as well; oh my goodness, I couldn’t have done it without all of you, you are all my heroes!

  • Karen

    I am listening to the podcastright now and feel compelled to write even though the show is over.  I usuallyrespect your analysts regardless if I agree with their opinion or not.  But, I must say that Mona Charen is so shallow and uninformed about the complexities of major issues (such as banking) that it makes the show sound like Fox News. 

    • AlbuquerqueDan

      Perfectly put, Karen.  I listen to On Point to hear the smartest people talk about the most interesting issues, regardless of whether I agree with their positions or not.  When Mr. Ashbrook hosts a vapid shill like Mona Charens, I tune out.  People like her add nothing to the dialogue.  

    • Azra

      We expect better things, and much higher standards than this from NPR.

  • http://twitter.com/cwooley89 Charles Wooley

    I think I speak for us all when I say if I never hear mona charens extremely biased voice again I would be quite pleased.

    She would probably be a better fit for fox news than on Point

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       If you want an echo chamber you can always tune in to MSNBC.

      Kudos to NPR for at least having divergent views today.

      btw- Fox News learned long ago that they get better ratings when that broadcast both sides and they have been proven correct in their popularity from all sides of the political spectrum.

      • nj_v2

        Hahahahahaha! “Fox News…all sides…”

        Whoooohoooooo! Good one!

        • Azra

          Fair and balanced.

      • Zero

        Fox News dredges the left wing blogs for the dumbest liberals they can find, and offer them as their counterpoint. 

        The only thing that is an echo chamber is the entire right wing.  You guys got about a dozen people who can say something nuanced and then the hive mind starts buzzing. 

        Watch Fox News and MSNBC on mute, analyze the visual rhetoric, read some media ecology, and you will see that they are both propaganda arms. 

        But personally, I’m glad we get the morons on here sometimes.  We can here the stupidity and point it out, which is a good thing.  

  • Still Here

    Lots of whining about Mona, but no one can prove her wrong. 

    Have a great weekend losers!

    • aj

      LOL! LOL!!

    • AlbuquerqueDan

      It’s less about her being right or wrong and more about her mindlessly shilling for Romney. 

    • Roy Mac

      She said nothing factual–there’s nothing to disprove.

    • Zero

       I took something she recently wrote and chopped it up before the program started.  Scroll down.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    HAPPY MOTHER’S DAY, to ALL mothers, female and male!

  • Terry Tree Tree

    AMAZING PILOT DIES AT 102!  Evelyn Ryan Johnson, of Bristol, Tenn, Guiness Pilot that certified the MOST pilots.
       She got her pilot’s license in 1944, and was flying at 94, or older!  Logged over 57,000 hours of flying

  • Guest

    Some revelations coming forth about the Washington Post hit piece on Mitt Romney:  
    Stu White, whom the Post said had “long been bothered” by the incident, told ABC News “he was not present for the prank, in which Romney is said to have forcefully cut a student’s long hair, and was not aware of it until this year when he was contacted by the Washington Post.”    
    The family of the alleged victim, John Lauber, has released a statement:  “The family of John Lauber is releasing a statement saying the portrayal of John is factually incorrect and we are aggrieved that he would be used to further a political agenda. There will be no more comments from the family.”    
    The alleged victim’s sister, Christine Lauber, told ABC News that her brother never mentioned the allegedly life-destroying traumatic incident related by the Washington Post, and “probably wouldn’t have said anything” even if something like it did happen, because he presumably was not the fragile character he has been portrayed as.  Furthermore, she tearfully insisted that “if he were still alive today, he would be furious” over the Post story.
    The Washington Post has subsequently acknowledged that one of the major sources for the story was an Obama campaign volunteer in 2008.  The Post has also changed the story (without giving notice of a correction) from what was originally published, and under pressure said it will add an editor’s note to explain the change of Stu White’s statement from “has long been bothered by the Lauber incident” to “hearing about it several weeks ago.”

  • Bin

    Who is the BS right-wing speaker featured? “Germans work much harder than the rest of Europeans… blabala” Has she even been in Germany or met any Germans? Germans work similar hours and have similar benefits as the rest of Northern European countries. Like them, they have invested heavily in science, technology and education for TWO CENTURIES. They also protect German jobs instead of exporting them, and tax heavily windfall profits. And their governments are less corrupt than those in the rest of EU. That is the difference, not “hard work” and the other corporate BS.

  • John

    I didn’t find Mona Charen’s participation in today’s panel at all useful or enlightening.

    • Roy Mac

      Amen!  Mostly when she began her drivel about banking regulation.  Let her do what she knows:  gossip about the DC.  Not only is she uninforming, she is uninformed.

    • Jim

      I agree completely. I understand the need to balance the panel with conservative viewpoints,
      but I would really prefer someone other than Mona Charen to serve this
      purpose. She is just towing the conservative line with virtually no insight or critical thought.

  • Turkoz

    please don’t have  Mona Charen, syndicated columnist and political analyst, on your panel anymore; very biased and of no value

  • Tracy

    Mona’s comments are completely vacuous. You’ve had plenty of other intelligent conservative commentators on before…were they all booked?

  • Brenda

    I was disappointed that Tom was snarky and condescending in response to Mona’s comments. Either don’t invite her to participate, or be respectful to her as a guest even if you don’t agree with her opinion. But it didn’t reflect well on Tom.

    • Gregg

      Brenda, I mostly agree with you but I have to give Tom credit for having Mona Charen on at all . The show is always more balanced than this blog is but that’s not saying much. Mona did fine, she’s used to it. To me, Tom’s condescension causes the choir to sing but IMHO many listeners know in their heart that she has a case to be made. That’s not lost.

      I think that dynamic is illustrated here. Look at the comments regarding Ms. Charen. There are a lot of comments I have not read but every one that I have read is nothing but a personal attack. Check it out. No one I read refutes a single fact she makes. The choir doesn’t notice that, they just sing. But I do and I’m not alone.

      • Zero

        I refuted something she wrote within the first ten comments.

      • Brenda

        This is the first time that I have commented on a blog. I understand that people have the cloak of anonymity to say any outrageous thing they want online- things they would never say to anyone if they were face to face. But I am disturbed when Tom contributes to the general level of snarkiness by the tone in his voice and his choice of words. It gives permission for people to sink even lower.

      • Discusted listener

        Here is a fact for you – she misrepresented the Post report in order to make it sound like all of the classmates were perhaps pursuing a political agenda when one had served as a Republican county chairperson.

      • Roy Mac

        Charen didn’t present anything factual; everything she talked about was her own impression.  Without any facts, people who disagree with her impressions are left with nothing but opinions.

  • Zero

    When I heard the 911 tapes of the Trayvon Martin shooting, I was horrified to hear him screaming “help” and then subsequently silenced with gun shots.  I did think, however, that the racist segment of society would hear the raw humanity in the taps, and perhaps some racism would dissolve.  I was wrong:  http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/report-trayvon-martin-gun-range-targets-were-sold-155301236.html

    • feettothefire

       Welcome to America, the land where getting shot while walking down the street is a topic of debate. Shame on us.

    • Gregg

      That’s pretty disgusting Zero,i can’t imagine they’re selling well. I would however advise you wait until the facts come out. The best evidence so far is it was Zimmerman who was yelling help.

      • aj

        100% False. Stop spreading misinformation knowingly or otherwise.

      • feettothefire

         Advising us to wait until the facts come out while telling us what the best evidence is so far. Hmmmm.

      • aj

        -http://www.mediaite.com/online/its-not-george-zimmerman-screaming-for-help-on-911-tape-audio-experts-tell-orlando-sentinel/

      • Zero

        University linguists have already determined that it was not Zimmerman’s voice.

        And they sold out in two days.  I told you this country is filled with racism, but you refuse to believe it. I haven’t read the comment section in the article I cited, but I bet there are scores of explicit and implicit racist remarks.  

        • Gregg

          Of course racism exists but to say our country is filled with racism is crazy. And when you extrapolate that to mean we are filled with murderous bigots making the streets unsafe for blacks… well that’s just plain hideous.

          • Azra

            Racism is rife in America. Some have even had the temerity to admit as much, when asked why they didn’t like Barack Obama.
            Whether the bigots are honest about it or no, what other reason could there be for so much unfounded hatred?

          • Zero

            My point has been consistent.  If there was no racism there wouldn’t be much of a republican part.  The bigots are on the right, and the republicans propagandize that the dems will tax “hard working Americans and give it to the black people.” (Quote Rick Santorum.)  I heard this crap during my childhood.  This is the reason that the South votes read, the reason that white uneducated voters vote for republicans and educated ones vote democrat.  

            Perhaps the country isn’t filled with racism, but the republican party certainly is. And I’ll bet you, every single one of those sold was bought by birther republicans.  And you wonder why we call “racism” so much….

        • Hidan

          Sad,

          Racism against blacks and Muslims will get worst especially has the white demographics starts to shrink and the threat of being a minorities is realized.

          I posted a link before from the BBC on US training class lead by Lt Col Mike Dooley which is clearly xenophobic and racist yet the public acceptance of such behavior has become common. I also both a link by Mona that says we should round up and deport all Muslims legal or not. I even have a chick stalking me using the WBUR thread to try and harass me, she doesn’t on the NPR mean thread cause she tends to get owned and goals been to incite others or ban me cause she doesn’t like what I have to say about Israel. We’re often told in the media to fear Muslims yet we have a proud Zionist making the threats , Proud Neo-Con making threats.

          Because of the death threats on Learn to speak teabag the creator posted a page that said please don’t kill him it was a joke and NPR hosting his cartoon NPR in general banned the use of teabag cause it claim it was offensive to some yet has on Jonah Goldberg and his new book Do liberals live under A “Tryanny of Cliches ” (http://www.npr.org/2012/05/02/151711939/do-liberals-live-under-a-tyranny-of-cliches)

          Very little challenge by the Host and the  whole piece was a attack on liberals. Due to the fake fair and balance republican racism and extremism is wrongfully compared to the democrats no matter how much both don’t compare. What happens is this leads to dog whistle racism and covert racism and bigotry being accepted as mainstream. Ever here an Israel official being called racist by the MSM? How about a host of Fox news calling a Guest views bigoted in reference to Muslims, CNN sure doesn’t unless the Host wants to be fired.

          Another clear example of such is the coverage of the terrorist in norway who was called a terrorist by the MSM until it was found that he was white, even when he admit his attacks was political the MSM no longer use the word terrorist. Another is how the Government report started under the Bush Admin and completed under the Obama Admin about extremism, racism with returning vets that due to the fear from the right was thrown out.

      • Ozymandias

         wrong.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    A guy confessed to a grisly murder-robbery, over 30 years after the crime!  Says he wanted to ‘get it off his chest’? 
       Justice, would be him staying in jail for 30 years, BEFORE his sentence for this, and any other crimes start!

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Catholic clergy investigating the Girl Scouts?  That’s like the Mafia investigating General Smedley Butler, or John Daley!
       HOW can ANYONE, that isn’t a Child-Molester, or a Child-Abuser, STILL claim that ‘religion’?
       I DON’T hang out with drug-dealers, murderers, thieves, or other criminals, because I don’t want to be considered to be one of them.  I’m cordial to them, but I DON’T associate with them!
       I sure wouldn’t hang out with criminal clergy, that USE the church, to hide and condone their crimes.  YUCK!!!
       Imagine shaking hands, or touching a priest, and wondering where that hand had been??  EWWWWWW!

    • aj

      Send some of that Tennessee Bourbon up north, you cordial son of a gun!

      • Terry Tree Tree

        They ship it every day!  I live over an hour’s drive from Lynchburg!  Thanks for the reminder that I’ve been out, for weeks?

  • NineShift

    It’s one thing for Jack Beady to idly comment on Mitt Romney or the Greek economy, which has no impact on anyone’s decisions. It is quite another for him to speculate on something of which he knows nothing – - college, and to hypocritical “wonder” whether college is worth it. 

    1.College is worth it. Earnings, happiness, health, lower chance of spending time in jail, on and on. 

    2.Hypocrisy.  I bet he’s not telling his own grand kids not to go to college.

    3.Society.  The huge gap in skilled workers in 2017, some 17 million according to Anthony Carnevale and other experts, is ALL for lack of college graduates.

    4.Mr. Beady supports bail outs of auto companies, Wall  Street, mortage holders – - but not college kids with debt.

    We need more college graduates, not fewer.  Mr. Beady’s baseless and factless comments today will convince some kid or some parent not to invest in college – - to the detriment of that kids’ life and to the detriment of society. 

    • Ozymandias

       a lot of kids don’t belong in college–they dont care about learning, they dont understand the material nor want to –they are there to get drunk and party and use roofies (in extreme cases).

      We need bus drivers and train drivers–if we had trains–we will need more in the future.  We need technical schools and organic farming schools.

      many people, make a tone of money without ever having an education–in construction, and service, and warehousing, and refrigeration, etc.

      Most of the new rich in china are uneducated–peasants with concrete companies and construction companies.

      Perhaps we need more concentrated classes that apply to 21st century world in high school–ecology classes–mandatory.  Environmentalism–mandatory.  Small business–mandatory.  business dynamics–mandatory.  Modern scientific research–mandatory ( a conversational/debate class), technology and society–mandatory, free trade vs fair trade economics–mandatory, communist vs capitalist principles and society–mandatory, civics–mandatory.  Political science–mandatory.  democracy and the constitution–mandatory!  logistics, commuincation, and transit—mandatory.  driver’s ed.  literature (America, English, international, ethnic, themed–mandatory, Community service–mandatory.  In place of gym-class–options for specific sport–in short units of 3-8 weeks.  Calisthenics, yoga, aerobics, kick-boxing, swimming, martial arts, tai-chi, cross-country skiing, weight-training.  Schools could off additional options for outbound programs–hiking, mountaineering, kayaking, sea-kayaking, snow-shoeing, skiing–all for gym credits.

      mandatory internships in junior and senior years–and one year after graduation–5 years–4 academic and in field–and one in practical internships–organized by school–networking and outreach necessary by school–creating bonds with the local community and industry

      optional-mandatory classes–refrigeration, electrical engineering, computer programming, digital drafting, marketing, video game design, simulations… i unit each year

      options like Chinese civilization.  Art of war…
      history of the war machine… strategies, how and why armies are created–propaganda

      we are not preparing kids for anything, and we’re testing them to death and boring them to death. 

      • Ozymandias

         College is too damn expensive–and when there is no guarantee of a job, chances are there will be no job–and at very low pay–it makes no sense.

         I urge people to demand affordable education–if not free or at least in the realm of all citizens.  charge non-residents 7 times as much.  Keep the same prices we have now for non-residents like Chinese and Europeans.  Taxes should subsidize education. 

        Harvard, Yale, Standford, Princeton–these are not good schools–they are no better than many state schools.  I would rather go to a small school with 5-15 students in a class then 200.  Ivy league elite schools are highly overrated.  The teachers are no better than state schools.  It’s all branding–ivy league is coke and Pepsi–while state schools are superfood health drinks and pure pristine water.

  • feettothefire

      What must it be like for Republicans who must force themselves to pretend they like Mitt Romney? All of his ridiculous, politically motivated flip-flopping aside, the likes of which make John Kerry look like the Rock of Gibraltar by comparison, one would think his championing of Romneycare would send the GOP membership into fits of apoplexy. These Republican savants claim they want the government to keep out of health care (even Medicare, nyuk, nyuk,) while simply turning a blind eye to the Massachusett’s government mandate that all citizens obtain insurance coverage. Imagine that, a government mandate on health care coverage. In the case of the dreaded Obamacare legislation, government intrusion of any kind is an example of Obama’s socialist agenda. Or is it Fascist agenda? These clowns can’t seem to make up their minds. Romney considered his healthcare legislation to be one of the crowning jewels of his governorship. Such a thing, were it to be imposed at the federal level would have the Tea Party boiling over in their own teapots. Are they all simply stupid? Desperate? Naive? Bored?

    • Azra

      All of the above?

    • Zero

      They’re just puppets.  Months ago some polling came out  about public opinion on policy: and the country overwhelmingly supported Obama policy (but his name wasn’t next to the policy).  When they redid the polling with Obama’s name next to the policy, the support decreased.  I remember seeing it on CBS Evening News, and somebody (might have been me) cited it on this blog.  

    • Gregg

      Obama brings us together, ousting him is job one. I’ll vote for a can of Alpo before I vote for more of this disaster.

    • Brettearle

      Their biggest motive is to win–no matter what–above and beyond their belief that their ideology is right.

  • Joan

    Mona, Jack Beatty is right to link GOP’s assault on incumbents 
    as that resembling ethnic cleaning of the party’s moderates.Senator OLympia  Olympia Snow of Maine was another victim of this extremism in the GOP camps following her efforts to work with the democrats on numerous budgetary policies. In addition, I recall Arlen Specter in his farewell speech ac-cusing the GOP of “cannabalism”….see the URL following…http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/arlen-specters-farewell-speech_n_799893.htmlJoan 

  • feettothefire

    Mona Charon has a voice. Most of what she said today was at least reasonable. Some of it was ridiculous partisan rhetoric. But the same is true of all of us. ALL OF US. If we’re not willing to hear all the voices and what they have to say (except for the foolish clown people, and we all know who they are) then we have no business coming to this page. Talk to yourself in the mirror.

    • TFRX

      But “all of us” aren’t one of three guests on nationwide radio. I’m not and you’re not.

      There is only so much “oxygen” on NPR, and right-wing hackery sucking up the amount it does doesn’t serve the cause of open, adult discussion.

      • Brettearle

        You’ve brought up an important point that reflects upon so many other public formats and venues.

        Right-Wing propaganda is a malignancy.

      • feettothefire

        On a routine basis, several days a week, I read posts on this forum complaining about the latest conservative “hack” to visit the show. One would be hard pressed to find a significant number of conservative guests to “On Point” who aren’t routinely lambasted by liberal commenters on this page as being Republican goons. The complaints spill forth like clockwork. “How can On Point have such a partisan loser on the show?” “I love On Point, but why must they give a forum to these closed minded jerks?” “Who booked this clown? How can they let him spill forth his obvious agenda?” I read this outrage to indicate that many of the sanctimonious liberals who are so offended by these guests would prefer a show much like Limbaugh’s. Let’s hear only what we believe, unencumbered by opposing views, since no opposing view can be worth listening to. There’s no one more inflexible and closed minded than an angry liberal. If you don’t want to listen to opposing views, while pretending that every word uttered by a left-wing guest is heartfelt and sincere, just admit it. It’s easy. ” I DON’T CARE WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE TO SAY.” See how simple? For these folks, I would recommend MSNBC, a station many of the “open minded” liberals love, despite the fact that it’s nothing but a clone of FOX. Mega-dittos.

        • TFRX

          MSNBC is in no danger of becoming a clone of Fox.

          I don’t mind opposing views, but Public Radio Polite plays right into the hands of the Breath Control Rightwing Spew Storm.

          The right winger gets to spew their stuff, and the host gets to be the meanie by saying “you’re lying”.

          There’s plenty of that all over the rest of the mainstream press, even with Alan (Coma) Colmes no longer at Fox. I don’t need a polite gloss of that same crap here.

          And I say: Liberals’ issues about conservative guests here is more representative about what passes for informed right-wing opinion in our mainstream press than any failings of lefties on this board.

          Too often I’ve heard the NPR honchos, ombud and the like, say “we don’t want change our product, but we have to appeal to the right wing more than we have”. This is in pursuit an audience who would only accept NPR if it just put up a mic in front a a radio playing Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and Carr all day.

          And as framing goes: As a lefty I don’t care what “reasonable Republicans” say, until they can keep from getting treated like crap in their own party. But the media crit in me sends up an alarm when mainstream press pretends that these folks have any influence in the GOP, or that the quadrennial “sanding the crazee off the GOP platform” starts anew.

          • feettothefire

            Where do I begin? How about you’re claim that MSNBC is in no danger of becoming a clone of Fox. That has already happened, my friend.  When Fox presents it’s decidedly right-wing take on the world it is criticized by the left for its bias. Its viewers are demeaned as ideologues, interested only in the party line. However MSNBC, network of the smart people is the place to go for all that is progressive and true. I guess if you’re a member of the choir on the right, you’re an idiot. If you’re a member of the choir on the left, you’re “enlightened.” “FOX” is a joke. So is “MSNBC.” The truth seeking liberals simply haven’t figured it out yet.                                           Your third paragraph is interesting. You don’t seem to be too interested about who must be the meanie in correcting the silly liberal when he spouts liberal nonsense. Oops, my bad. I forgot that there is no liberal nonsense, certainly not on “On Point.” Perhaps someday, when a left-wing guest says something ridiculous on the air, I’ll be able to read the scathing criticism he’ll receive in this forum from all the outraged liberal truth-seekers. Pardon me, while I pause for a moment to laugh at the prospect of THAT ever happening.                    Next, you criticize the conservative listeners who DO listen to NPR. They tune in. They listen. Yet, you claim they need Rush, Sean, Michael, and Howie in order to be coaxed. Well, which is it?                                Finally, the sanctimonious, demagoguery presented here on a daily basis, by self-anointed, liberal keepers of the flame is as infantile and self-serving as any of the holier than thou crap dumped on America by far right evangelical evil-doers. In other words, dogmatic bullshit is dogmatic bullshit. It doesn’t matter whose bullshit it is. At least to some of us.

          • TFRX

            First, the internet does a great job of scrubbing off vocal tone and non-verbal communication.

            The “silly liberal who spouts nonsense” is in nobody’s Rolodex. However, the silly conservatives who plan their shitstorms to keep hosts so drowned in fact-checking are all over my radio and TV.

            I don’t want them there. They add nothing.

          • feettothefire

             “Right wing hackery.”                        “Rightwing spew storm.”                          “Conservative shitstorms.”                  No such thing as liberal nonsense.             I guess I’ll have to rest my case now. Thanks for the help.

          • William

            Very good!

    • Brettearle

      That may be true, and we appreciate free speech–but when blowhards aver Fascism and Nazism, every other sentence, then reasonable people must speak out strongly.

      And, unfortunately, reasonable people, who may be broadcasters, DO NOT SPEAK OUT ENOUGH AGAINST THE PROPAGANDA.

      He who speaks loudest, and he who speaks loudest with an incline towards fear and rabble-rousing, will win the day of populist thinking–unless it is forcefully met with reason and confrontation.

      RESPONSIBLE MEDIA SHOULD TALK TO THEMSELVES IN THE MIRROR.    

      • feettothefire

         Sorry for the late reply. For the record, I despised almost everything the Bush administration did regarding the issues of terrorism and Iraq. But I also know that words like “Fascist” and “Nazi” were bandied about in relation to that administration for the better part of eight years. Strangely enough, I remember very little condemnation from left-wing types for the use of such hyperbolic terms. Why didn’t the “reasonable people speak out strongly?” And please don’t talk to me of populist thinking. “Populist thinking” simply means lazy ass morons too stupid and uninvolved to make the effort to stay well informed. That’s why he who speaks the loudest gets their sympathies and their vote. Expecting any of these nitwits to be swayed by reasoned debate is a sweet, but ultimately foolish hope. They care more about Kim Kardashian’s wedding than anything discussed here.

        • Brettearle

          Excellent reply–but I’m backed up with time.

          If I can, I’ll respond later.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Perhaps the condemnation did not come, because too many saw the scary parallels.   ‘W’ was given, by Congress, the authorization to use force, ONLY after other methods had failed, with Saddam Hussein.  ‘W’ ignored those methods, and went into ‘war mode’!
             You’re either FOR us, or AGIN us, was the pushed attitude of the ‘W’ admin, and its followers.
             It quickly became apparent to many of us that have served in the millitary, that the Administration of Cowards, were going to sacrifice brave comrades, to build a ‘manly’ persona.  MOST of THEM had NOT served, some even were draft-dodgers, just with wealth and connections.
            When I was treated as a repulsive communist, or some other undesirable, by an AWOL, drunk, ‘Weekend Warrior’, who exhibited NO signs of millitary training, or knowledge, I took offense.

          • feettothefire

             My condemnation of the Bush administrations Iraq fiasco takes a back seat to no one. But it is often forgotten or ignored that well over half the population of this country went happily along for the ride. The skepticism with which we are duty bound to view all calls for war making was tossed aside by a nation full of sheep, too stupid to think for themselves. Democrats in congress were nothing less than a bunch of craven cowards, more worried about their public image in the wake of 9/11 than about what was right. If Bush and his cronies can have the terms “Nazi” and “Fascist” applied to them by their detractors, then the same terms must be applied to the two thirds of the country that cheered them on or, at best, simply remained silent. Are you ready to say we’re a country full of Nazis?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            MANY forms of calling people that questioned, or opposed the statements and/or actions of the ‘W’ admin., ‘Traitors’, ‘Communists’, etc…, and other ways of casting doubt on their ‘patriotism’, were used by ‘W’, and his syncopants.

        • Hidan

          What happen is the establishment that promoted the use of “Fascist” and “Nazi” under bush is now in power and Obama has for the most part extended many of those BUsh Policies that got Bush those labels. But that same establishment can’t attack obama cause it helps the republicans so therefor they switch it up and claims obama actions are somewhat more noble and he knows what he’s doing so therefore in a sense tells the critics on the left to “shut up”. Now the Right’s doing the same thing as the Establishment left did before they were in power and will do the extract same thing that the establishment left is doing now once the right gets back in power.

          There’s still lots of people protesting the actions of obama but the Media gives it little coverage when it’s State Power, F.P. and Security.

          I disagree with your view on Mona cause she’s a open bigot and promotes such yet brought on as if she’s some objective expert and the “fake Fair and Balance” kicks in on whatever crazy crap she says is equally done by the left. On one of Onpoint show a Caller called  something about Jewish Bankers extremely bigoted and Tom created a Onpoint blog and the show wiped his comment from it’s broadcast and apologized for this and than went on to say it’s not the type of conversation he wants to have or Onpoint will Tolerate. This has never bee the case with equally racist or bigoted comments about Blacks, Gays, Muslims, Arabs, Latinos.

          Though I find it sometimes beneficial to understand the bigotry on the right shows like onpoint is not going to do this primary due to the “Fake Fair and Balance”

          Mona has called for deport Muslims from the U.S. because there Muslims hardly someone onpoint should host.

          P.S.
          I do enjoy your comments and like Brett and others you bring alot to the thread

  • Zero

    Mona said, “I actually think the democrat party is rigid and ideological.”  Huh?  I guess John Boehner getting “98%” of what he wanted was too little.

    I wish she was right.  Face it, republicans are frustrated with democracy. 

    • Brettearle

      The Republicans are frustrated with conflating their radical ideology, with solutions to the country’s problems, and coming up very, very short.

  • Zero

    Mona said we should have let moral hazard work.  GDP was contracting 8% and we were looking at a depression.  Paulson let Lehman Brothers file bankruptcy and the economy tanked.  “Scare talk” please.  Moral hazard didn’t work.  Glass-Steagall did work.  America should have done exactly what FDR did: break up the banks and slap them with regulations.  

  • JohnGraff

    Mona Charen is a heinous right-wing hack. 

  • JackInPortland

    Can you clarify… is Mona Charen a “guest” on your program or just a hack hired by the Romney campaign to throw dis-information around? 
    Because listening to the rants, suppositions and conspiracy theories that she clouds the air with (yes, Ms. Charen, EVERYONE else who witnessed Romney’s gay-bashing incident is part of a Democratic CONSPIRACY! Of course! That makes PERFECT sense!) seem like patented Romney Talking Points™. I hope the hack is at least picking up a paycheck for her little Romney infomercial.

    Tom, in the future, please don’t waste a seat by giving airtime to this un-informed, clearly biased, in-the-bag-for-Romney “journalist”. Let’s keep the “Week In The News” as a place of thoughtful, intelligent discourse. (Honestly, she won’t be hurting for exposure, she can always tout her wares over at Fox or World Net Daily or wherever.) Thank you.

  • Vernon

    ZIONISM IS RACISM!
     
    I’m sick and tired of having my tax dollars being used to support the apartheid state of Israel, that steals land from Palestinians and forces Palestinians to live in inhumane living conditions in Gaza and the West Bank.

    • ozymandias

       i am sick and tired of my taxes going to war!  And corporations!  My taxes and the taxes of the rich should be paying for health care ad education and housing and jobs.  Why aren’t they?

      • Vernon

        That’s because Wall Street bankers, military contractors, drug companies, big oil and the Jewish lobby AIPAC, have bought off our goverment.

        • Brettearle

          Ladies and Gentlemen,

          What are the comments of 2:32 AM and 4:28 AM, really saying, to us Ladies and Gentlemen?

          What is the obvious raw and bigoted subtext, Ladies and Gentlemen?

          Let’s all salute these comments, Ladies and Gentlemen…..they are truly a credit to a sophisticated on-line forum.

          Yesiree….

          • Vernon

            Thanks for pointing that out, Berttearle,

            being against innocent Palestinian children rotting in Israeli jails,

            as well as Palestinians having their land stolen from them by Israeli settlers,

            in addition to being against Palestinians being forced to live in inhumane conditions in Gaza and the West Bank,

            definitely makes me a bigot.

          • Brettearle

            No, ladies and gentlemen, Israel isn’t surrounded by enemies or potential enemies–some of whom have sworn, publicly, to destroy it.

            Of course, Ladies and Gentlemen, the picture, expressed, above, is a full and complete depiction of the Fertile Crescent.

            Yesirreee….

            Israel is the monster and everyone else are the helpless victims.

               ************

            Both sides have a great deal to answer for.

            BOTH SIDES.

            *************

            But watch, Ladies and Gentlemen, as the commneter demonizes to a fault.

            A perfect, example, Ladies and Gentlemen. of the ONE-SIDED PROPAGANDA
            that we are all viciously subjected to.

            Such comments are a Tribute to an NPR on-line forum.

            So heartfelt, so well thought out.

            No one else could possibly come up with greater insights, Ladies and Gentlemen…..

          • aj

            “I don’t know something called International Principles. I vow that I’ll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child’s existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him…I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do.”

            -1956 Ariel Sharon (then Army Commander, and later Prime Minister)

          • Vernon

            Careful aj, you don’t want to be called a ‘bigot’ by Brettearle for being against the Ethnic Cleansing that Israel is committing against the Palestinians.

          • Hidan

             According to some, Israeli rightwingers can’t be racist and some how both sides or equal.

          • WhoeverYouWant

            Obvious fake:
            - the term “palestinians” has never been used prior to ’67 when the so called nation was invented. Before that “palestinian” meant Jew in Palestine (as a region description not a country mind you).

            - the “interviewer” to whom this was allegedly delivered by Sharon himself  -Ouze Merham never existed. No other ‘intreviews’ by him are to be found either.

            A student columnist used the quote in her December 11, 2003 Daily Illini column, but later admitted the quote was false and apologized

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Ouze_Merham_interview_of_Ariel_Sharon

  • ozymandias

    war is a bullying violent act–its  murderous act–and yey republicans furiously cry for blood all the time and call peace activists–’traitors”–this is bullying behavior.  Gun shots in the head to liberals by Palin crazed Republicans–this is bullying behavior.  Palins cross-hairs–bullying behavior.  America invasive policies–installing dictators over the world–bullying behavior–championed mostly by republicans.

    illegal murderous Iraq war base don lies and rape and torture–republican idea–bullying!

    Afghanistan–republican idea–bullying.  Vietnam–bullying–republican torch!

    American exported terrorism in south America–republican bullying and murder.

    Death penalty–thousands of innocents–most black–republican–and bullying!

    Fear of intellectuals–McCarthyism–republican notions–bullying!  Scare-mongering, fear of Russia, fear of foreigners, fear of nuclear annihilation–republican notions–bullying!

    Scottsboro boys–republican notions–bullying.

    Anti-equality–anti-gay, anti-balk, anti-hispanic, anti-brown, anti-yellow, anti-women–no vote!–republican–bullying!

    Anti-workers rights–anti-living wage–anti-health–republican–bullying elitism!!

    anti-human, anti-environment–Republican bullying!  hate hate hat e hate–republican–bullying!  Elitism!

    the blowhard–Rush Limbaugh–a bully and all the other right-wing crazy talk show hosts–bullies!–republicnaism

    Republican political campaign tactics–extremely degrading and bullying and hypocritical.

    gay bashing–a bullying pastime done by republicans and right-wing minded ignorant neanderthals.

    UNion bashing–republicanism–bullying!

    Free trade– bullying policy supported most loudly by republicans when it comes to support of such policies.

    the corporate model–is fascist-consider Walmart and box stores and unhealthy business killing human killing community killing businesses like McDonald, tobacco–all republican bullying paradigms.

    cheap ‘slave’ labor exploiting third-world innocence–bullying right-wing tactic (mostly)

    slavery–republican (republicans are the democrats of pre-slavery and reconstruction days.  The parties reversed.  Liberals turned to democrats when they were the first to speak up for civil rights and all the bullies and slavers and racist lynching murderous kkk of the south and southwest turned to the republican party–thus a revolution in party politics.—slavery and hate–and bullying–lynching–is republican–they know it–they love it.

    is it any surprise then–that a republican candidate–think bush and Cheney–is a bully–Romney is a bully–Mormons are bullies–look how they treat outsiders and women.

    Hey lady–its not other people’s money–it is the workers money–rich people need to pay MORE more more in taxes and pay themselves less and give back thru taxes to the community–it is NOT NOt NOt the money of the 1%–who created that wealth?  The workers, and the intellectuals for that matter–the academics.  Where would you be without a teacher?  Support teacher unions.

     

    • Gregg

       That’s sick.

    • Brettearle

      This summary is outstanding.

      You literally should expand this, copyedit it, and then publish it, somewhere–beyond an online forum.

    • Azra

      A+!

      

  • JGC

    Mona Charon is a lightening rod today,  a lot of negative comments about her (including from me).  Has anyone read “Murdoch’s Pride is America’s Poison”, NYT, 5 May 2012? The “pride” being the Fox network headed by Roger Ailes, and the “poison” being the resulting lack of civility and discourse.  One comment at the end of the piece from agmiller5 Birmingham, Alabama noted the “underlying rationale of discussion was a common concern for the good of the country” back in the days of William  F. Buckley’s “Firing Line”.  Agmiller5 continued on to say,”Thanks to Roger Ailes and his ilk, the conservative viewpoint has become dishonest, manipulative, and completely lacking in any intellectual value…Without honesty, what is the point of intellectual debate?  The damage to our democratic system caused by Murdoch, Ailes and the other right-wing media moguls is beyond calculation.” 

    Sad and true! I would always like to hear and read elevated rhetoric about the national concerns. But there is also something valuable in being confronted with prejudice (yours or theirs or both together).  So bring on Mona,although maybe not every week!  Because unfortunately, what she says may not be in accord with most factually informed beliefs, but they are her’s , and a lot of other’s, and we need to find a way to challenge these beliefs up front.   

     

    • William

      So FoxNews and Ailes are worse at reporting the news than the “old guard?”. Come on….why do you think Fox is so popular and the “old guard” are struggling to keep viewers? The “old guard” has been lying to the American people for decades and when given the choice between Fox and them, Fox wins. Give the American people some credit because they have caught on to the “old guard” and gave them the boot.

      • JGC

        I think Fox is so popular because it deals in sensationalism, just like all of Rupert Murdoch’s “news” outlets.  The “old guard” has an audience that is increasingly split between not only themselves (NBC, CBS, ABC) but all the cable channels galore, and importantly, the new media.

        Old folks don’t know how to work the new media as well, and so glom on to their familiar favorites(Fox News, AOL).

        Hope I haven’t hurt anyone’s feelings…

    • Azra

      How about sending them to “The Daily Show”, and “The Colbert Report”?

      • JGC

        Yeah, I would love to see Stewart or Colbert have a discussion with Mona! Super idea…

  • Gregg

    The Elizabeth Warren saga overflows my “conflicted emotions” reservoir. I hate the race-based sucking up, what’s worse is it works. I love seeing liberals struggle to explain why what matters least matters most. I’d like to see the Republicans take the Senate but I’m not crazy about Brown, his job is done. Beats Liz I s’pose.

    • Brettearle

      brown is going to win–simply because he is more likable.

      In this race, it is going to be a personal popularity contest.

      Ideology will have less to do with it.

      • Vernon

        “brown is going to win”

        Would that be the same ‘brown’ that helped to start a civil war in Libya that ended up costing about 30,000 Libyan civilians their lives and installed a goverment with ties to Al-qaeda?

        • Brettearle

          My comment had NOTHING to do with my support of Brown.

          Your assumption misses the subtlety of my comment.

          I was talking about what the general feeling may be about both candidates.

          Sometimes pure personal popularity contests can win political contests.  

          THAT was my point.

          And, incidentally, if you were attempting to be petty, about me forgetting to capitalize “b” in “Brown”, you’ve succeeded.

          My finger-tap speed sequence, on the keyboard, needn’t have been recreated, by you, to prove some trivial point.

          No one would have thought twice, had you corrected the letter.  Everyone who speaks English in the world–millions and millions and millions of people–wouldn’t have even unconsciously noticed the correction.

          Instead, it draws attention to your pettiness–because everyone notices that.

          And, for the record, I would, very likely, NEVER vote for brown. 

          • Brettearle

            Oh, and with regard to Libya…..if you have some gripe with a politican, about Libya, why don’t you simply criticize the Obama administration?

            It was there, where the insurgency first found successful reenforcement.

          • Brettearle

            Any reply?

            Of course not…. 

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  • Doug Creed

    I am distressed that Tom let Mona Charen distort the facts reported in the Post article in order to question the recollections of Romney’s classmates. She falsely stated that they were all left leaning and so may have acted out of a political agenda. The article is quite clear that one of the classmates had served as a Republican county committee chairman. I can not believe she did this accidently so it would seem that Ms Charen is more Republican apologist than honest news analyst. It is important to have a voice from the right but your listeners deserve better.

    • Brettearle

      You’re right–but, at least, “On Point” can say that its program is so objective that it even invites guests, sometimes, from the Radical Right

      • Azra

        We don’t need anyone like that on any show, at least not at this crucial, make-or-break time in our history. What we DO need are facts, to help listeners vote responsibly; nothing more, nothing less.

  • Hila1226

    I agree with the criticism of Mona Charen. To treat a vicious attack on a classmate as a “mere prank,” and attribute a partisan agenda to the other students who participated in the attack and have told WaPo that they have always regretted their behavior–well, that to me reflects such a lack of humanity and decency on Mona’s part. she is a partisan hack who simply cannot be taken seriously. Tom, I absolutely love your “week and review” and other shows. please bring credible and serious and humane voices to represent the conservative point of view.

    • Brettearle

      But it’s important to give Charen a forum–so that many, who are undecided or independent, can see how biased Right Wing Media is and how much spin Right Wing Media employs, to support their politicians, no matter what.

      Denial is not a river in Egypt.

      • Brett

        I am pretty much in agreement with your sentiments. I believe it is good to let people of all perspectives have a voice, even if that voice is full of distortions, lies, bias, bigotry, etc. 

        I didn’t hear this particular weekly news review, as it were, with Mona Charen as one of the guests, but one of the approaches I had wanted with respect to Bay Buchanan’s segment, for example, was to continue letting her spin her narrative, perhaps with a few well-placed challenges (but nevertheless). The longer people talk, the more they reveal their mindset. Listeners can determine for themselves their perceptions of, say, a Mona Charen, without On Point making a concerted effort to exclude partisan spin-meisters such as Mona. However, one caveat might be that a more reasoned voice from a particular perspective might just generate more intelligent analysis. 

        I sometimes want to keep certain people talking on this forum, because the more they respond and offer opinion, the more they become their true selves. There are certainly other factors which might interfere with fully bringing into focus who they really are, e.g., an inability to write well, being distracted by stimuli around them as they comment, other frustrations not related to this forum, and so on, but they (myself included) can only continue a deliberately tailored narrative only so long before their true attitude toward any given issue of the day will surface.

        With regard to this forum, we who come here regularly are distinctly different in our approach than the occasional visiter or new commentator. I wonder sometimes about the perceptions of those who’ve just dropped in, so to speak, as to the dynamic generated by the “usual suspects.” It is an interesting dynamic, and there is no reason to believe that it wouldn’t evolve into a conversation based in part on perceptions of the other commentators. Another factor to consider in this forum’s dynamic is that the starting points of many regular commentators’ posts can almost be seen as beginning in the middle of thoughts, as ideas frequently seem to flow ongoing from day to day without necessarily a backfill of “setting the stage” (to clumsily mix metaphors). I think these are at least some of the more interesting aspects of this forum, where personalities emerge to present a more complete picture of individuals commenting, and those comments have to be viewed in a certain context (and to really get where people are coming from).  

        I am inclined to like most of the people who come here regularly, no matter how heated we can get or how much sarcasm/snark I, myself, can sometimes generate. There actually are very few I distinctly dislike, and those tend to be the more one-dimensional commentators who tend to remain anonymous on many levels. 

        I often use humor in all sorts of ways because I use humor in such ways in my real life. Tone, I’ve noticed, can be the most difficult to properly use in conveying ideas the way we wish them to be imparted. I try to remember this in reading others on here. It is my belief that if we were all actually in a room talking to each other, we would have an easier time determining where each of us is coming from. 

        Sorry, Brett, but I went off on a tangent, I know, but I felt it related in some way to how we listeners “interact” with guests on the show. People often even speak of Tom Ashbrook or Jack Beatty, say, as if they know the two gentlemen. It’s true that we have individually and collectively developed a sense of these men over time and that becomes akin to some type of actual relationship. It’s weird…but it’s perfectly understandable.   

        • Brettearle

          No need to apologize.

          You’re on a roll (as usual).

          I have listened to “On Point” for years–and have been a caller at least 7 or 8 times.

          If I have the time (though I might not), I’ll reply further to your comment.

      • TomK in Boston

        I’d agree with you, except the corporate media already have such an extreme far right bias that we’re not exactly lacking for insanity and hate. There’s so much false equivalence that we often see some fanatic “balanced” by a fake liberal who is really a timid centrist and a moderate republican by our historical standards. A recent study confirmed what has been making me turn off the TV sunday morning, the total dominance by republican white men:

        http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Sunday-talk-shows-02.png

        And if there is a woman, it’s gonna be Shelly Bachmann who missed a great career in horror films.

        I’m afraid On Point is not immune to false equivalence. If a real scientist is on, he/she has to be “balanced” by a whackjob from redstate community college arguing for “intelligent design” or denying man made climate change. A real economist has to be “balanced” by an ideologue from a righty think tank. I’m sick of it.

        • Brettearle

          That’s a great, substantive reply–although I have some things to add, as
          well as some modifications.

          If I have the time, I’ll elaborate.

  • Thomas Toast

    Mona Charon’s comment, as part of her reply to the Mitt Romney haircut discussion, that President Obama admitted to smoking crack in his book “Dreams of My Father” is demonstrably false, as others in the comments have stated. In my opinion the show should correct the error on air. Obama did honestly talk about his drug use in the book, but this did not include crack. And “week in the news” journalists who cannot be bothered to at least have the facts right before speaking should not be invited back.

  • Azra

    ~ ~ ~ NEWS FLASH ~ ~ ~

    This is a very important message. “This American Life” is on now, about psychopaths. Apparently they’re not rare. Sounds like most of our current Republican politicians are psychopaths; Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney came immediately to mind though.

    Psychopaths lack empathy, which would account for Mr. (AND MRS.?) Romney thinking that animal cruelty is fine, and Mitt’s laughter, and faux amnesia about the little boyish prank, where he traumatized another boy with scissors!

    Psychopaths are quick to anger, (like a couple of people who contribute to this blog!). Most of the scond half of the program was spent giving examples of how they enjoy firing people, (sound familiar?), and closing down factories!!! This program is creeping me out. Really EERIE!

    Please listen to this podcast if you can, and share it with your friends. Mitt Romney must not be allowed to get any closer to the White House. He has no feelings, as we’ve known all along, but now it has been confirmed. He only cares about making money. Mitt is not at all diplomatic, already trying to turn Russia and and China against us. This is not a smart man, and he’s itching for a fight (war). Couple that with a complete lack of knowledge when it comes to foreign affairs, (who else but Romney, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and other Tea Partiers, are so utterly clueless in that department?), and we’ve got BIG trouble.

  • augluc

    About Europe, Germany austerity destructive
    insanity and the GOP rhetoric (a page taken from Germany’s book) read these two
    paper:

    http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2012/05/new-york-times-reporters-embrace-the-berlin-consensus-and-ignore-krugman-and-economics.html 

    http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2012/05/new-york-times-reporters-need-to-read-krugmans-columns.html 

     

    Please don’t make the same mistake there.
    You are still in time to avoid this nightmare. 

  • NewtonWhale

    Sure, Mitt bullied a weak defenseless outsider back in high school, but he’s a very different person now.

    He’s running for president, for Pete’s sake.

    • Brett

      Good one!

  • Brett

    The bullying a gay boy in high school aspect of the Mitt Romney story seems less significant to me than the incident itself and the context of the era in which it happened; although, even if he and his buddies didn’t know the boy was gay, the incident still reveals something about Mitt (and people like Mitt) that has to do with disregarding/dismissing/insensitivity toward the humanity and individuality of others. It was still bullying those who were perceived as different.

    In the ’60′s and early ’70′s, preppie and jock types, as well as redneck types, would often bully long-haired hippie types. Ganging up on a boy with long hair and cutting his hair was a common form of bullying. It was still mean spirited, and it still reflects a sense of entitlement to mistreat those one may feel are less worthy of consideration as human beings.

    I had long hair in high school, and I was lucky to be well liked by most all from the different camps. I played music, was in drama, was on the basketball team, was captain of the tennis team, was an academic achiever, etc. Popular kids liked me because they perceived me as hip on some level and good looking, while unpopular kids also liked me because I made very deliberate and public attempts to display inclusiveness toward those unpopular and was genuinely interested in finding value in many different types of kids. 

    It was a different story, however, for some of my friends/other kids who had long hair. I knew the Mitt types, and they were mean, entitled, had a clannish mentality, were vindictive, and seemed to subscribe to the notion that putting someone else down/bullying someone bolstered their position.   

  • Erka, in Paris

    Mona Charon has no clue about European numbers. Saying germans work more so are allowed to have vacations is just plain bs. Saying greecs are paying now for too much government in the past, whereas the mess in Greece is coming from the absence of government, of taxpayers money, and complete corruption, is just plain stupid. This is what germany says (as well as the entire European union). Its time for physicians, architects, lawyers, to start paying taxes in this country, and not just state employees and factory workers. And, just so she knows, greece was a dictatorship not so long ago (well, one of ours).
    Ignoring the roots of this crisis that is just the follow up of the subprime brillant US innovation applied to a currency controlled by rigorist financiers (lets talk about the tens of trillions of dollars printed by the fed, and imagine which state in the US would play Greece first if this money was had not been there…) right after discussing about the 2billion loss from JPM is so stupid and appears to miss the point so much I am ashamed for Tom who did not point it out right away. I loved this show but seriously you should invite a real economist some time or at least someone who can connect dots, and quit on the tired editorialists.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Thanks Erka..

  • Greg

    I agree that Mona Charon really has no value added to the show.  An incisive viewpoint from the right – to complement Major Garrett’s centrist and center-right views – would certainly be valuable.  Ms. Charon is not that person.  Her cynical snarkiness is not analysis.

    • Azra

      It’s decidedly unanimous.

  • Guest

    I find it somewhat perplexing that an incident is described as “vicious,” in a school with a “dorm trooper” mentality where “bad behavior and bad grades were not tolerated,” and described as “a strict school in which offenders could be ‘dismissed, period,’” yet there wasn’t either a police report or school report of the incident.  With the hair-cutting effects of the incident clearly evident, surely questions were asked by both the school and the boy’s parents; if it was truly “vicious,” surely the police must have been called.  A skeptical person might consider the sources, five men who “mostly lean Democratic,” including one who worked on  Barack Obama’s campaign, and think that maybe the incident wasn’t as significant as it was made it out to be in the story.  Further skepticism might be raised about a front page story by a liberal newspaper, about a high school incident from 50 years ago that wasn’t reported to authorities, and that the newspaper’s own ombudsman says was timed to coincide with President Obama’s support of gay marriage; a story that was significantly changed from one source being reported as someone who “has long been bothered” by the incident, to someone who had no first hand knowledge of what happened but was disturbed by it once the Washington Post told him about the incident several weeks ago.  Finally, if there was room for skepticism to be heightened even further, the reader might wonder why the story was refuted by the victim’s family.

    • NewtonWhale

      “the reader might wonder why the story was refuted by the victim’s family.”——————————————————
      They didn’t refute the attack: they weren’t there. 
      It’s a BOARDING school, remember?

      They didn’t like the way he was portrayed. If you read the piece, it described him as an aimless drifter after Cranbrook.

      The five principals who took part in the attack all told the same story and all were haunted by it.Romney can’t even muster up enough empathy to acknowledge what he did and how serious it was. He still describes it as a prank.

      The reason we can’t have nice things in this country is because the right is populated by people with negligible reading skills combined with a stubborn refusal to accept reality.

      Round and round they go, condemned to repeat the same mistakes because they can’t break free from the Scylla and Charybdis of dumb.

      • Guest

        If this incident was truly an “attack” (your word, not the one in the story), and not something less, wouldn’t the victim have contacted someone (either family, police, or school authorities), and told them about it?  If the victim didn’t tell, many others would have surely known about this “vicious” public attack, yet no one reported it to the police. 
        Are you not at all surprised that these Democratic-leaning men of conscience who were “haunted” by the 50 year old incident all these years haven’t felt a duty to comment on it until now?  After all, Romney has had a public life; yet these men of conscience said nothing as he rose to prominence in business and politics.  I’d think the victim (if he considered himself one) or these haunted moral citizens would have spoken up when he was running for governor if this was truly a significant event.  But none of them said anything until now, and only after being approached by the Washington Post.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Accused gays (the words were NOT so polite then), RARELY went to ANY authority, about being harrased, because MANY authority figures, including police, would harass them too, worse.
              Lots of fellows were harassed as queer, especially if they were smaller, or had somewhat effiminate features, or other excuses!
             Most found a way to endure it, fight until the bullies went to bully someone else, or their family moved.
             Most of the bullying was done in a gang of some size, RARELY done one-to-one, as the bully MIGHT get whipped!
             Back then, it was laughed off as ‘boys will be boys’, etc…   RARELY handled properly.
             I lived through it, and watched it happen to others.  You had to find a way to ‘prove’ you weren’t queer, or you suffered.

        • Azra

          A lot of rape victims don’t report the crime either, or even confide in anyone about it.

    • Azra

      We haven’t heard any of the points you have presented, which could mean that you watch Fox, or maybe you read about them in the National Enquirer. If you did, indeed, learn this from factcheck, or another reputable bipartisan source, we’d like to know which one it is.

      Whether the whole thing is as phoney as the swift boat lie or not, the fact remains that Romney is a psychopath, and no one wants his explosive temper, or his undiplomatic finger anywhere near that Button.

    • Azra

      The story hasn’t been refuted by anyone, even Edward Scissorhands, (AKA Mitt Romney).

      The victim’s family said that he wouldn’t have wanted attention drawn to the incident, which is why he never reported it. They also said that he he hadn’t been potrayed accurately, but they didn’t elaborate.

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  • feettothefire

         Ted Kennedy drove off a bridge in 1969 and a young woman died. The consequences he paid, other than to his own conscience, were minimal to non-existent. Ted Kennedy was a hero to liberals and Democrats everywhere. If the stories about Romney’s thuggish behavior in his youth are true, they certainly should play a role in anyone’s assessment of his character. Kennedy, however, gets a pass from any such silliness. After all, it was a long time ago.

    • Gregg

      I appreciate your acknowledging bias but nobody ever died from a haircut.

      • JGC

        I am just reading this now after my earlier response above.  Maybe nobody died from a haircut, but could it be possible to be taken down by a thousand cuts?  

      • Brett

        Isn’t your view of bullying similar to your view of torture in that if nobody seems to have injuries, then it isn’t bullying?

      • jefe68

        That’s your answer? Amazing.

  • Gregg

    Last Saturday evening a dear friend called to say she was back in town after wintering in Arizona. It was great to hear from her. She invited me to play piano the next day. It was a benefit for a friend. The cause was awareness for prescription drug abuse. I eagerly agreed. I was pleased to see my friend’s partner was there. This was two days before we were to vote on Amendment 1 here in NC but we didn’t talk about it. We talked about getting together for dinner. I don’t know how she voted. There was a band from a Mennonite church with drums, bass, keys, guitar and an eight piece choir. Awesome. My friend (Melissa) had used the band at her annual Christmas show so they had played together once. Evidently they had to have a meeting to decide if it was okay to go to a bar to play. Melissa told me they decided it was good to go where the sinners are. I chuckled in her ear, “That’s why I blog at NPR”. She gave me a big hug and said, “I’m still working on you”.

    After the church band finished a woman told a story about her son. He was prescribed Vicodin at age 13 for a sprained ankle and was dead by 16. It was a bummer and I could tell the potheads were uncomfortable. She told how the support from her community and church helped her through it. She didn’t mention government.

    Then Melissa and I were up. We hadn’t played together in almost a half a year. We did a Bonnie Raitt tune to a quiet somber room. It worked. Then she called up the choir. I had worked with the drummer and it was he who brought Melissa and the Mennonite choir together but I never met the others. As they got settled Melissa asked me to tell the story of a preacher’s son I used to play with. He would sub for the regular organist some Sundays. He told me when he hit that lowest “C” pedal an extra 5 people would be saved. Now I’m not a Christian but I didn’t feel uncomfortable telling the story in that setting. It’s a great story! I wasn’t praising the Lord, I was ministering to the power of music in general and the Hammond Organ in particular.

    So there we were; Black/white, Conservative/Liberal, Gay/Straight, Christian/Heathens, drug users/drug haters all too busy enjoying each others company to realize we should be fighting.

    • Brett

      Maybe not Christian, but would your tone suggest  sanctimoniousness?

      • Gregg

        Not at all, exactly the opposite. I felt a little holy twinge go up my leg. 

        • Terry Tree Tree

          May have been a tick?   Watch out for Lyme Disease?

          • Brett

            I love it, Triple T! Religious/spiritual experience or deer tick? Both need constant self-checking to protect oneself from disease…

          • Gregg

            A tick is more like a tingle than a twinge.

    • jefe68

      This is one condescending and sanctimoniousness piece of hogwash.

    • Brett

      You know, you and I have the good fortune to speak the universal language of music. This language enables us a certain facility of engaging so many different types of people of diverse backgrounds and cultures. We have the capacity to bring people together, to help others find some element of commonality (albeit only tangential points, at times), and to unite. The feelings you describe in your comment are feelings I, too, have often experienced while on stage. I’ve spent many an evening playing with and performing for others with whom I wouldn’t ordinarily spend time and with whom I wouldn’t necessarily be in agreement on many social issues. To risk sounding religious, those times are good for the soul.

      In Fredericksburg, Virginia, where I grew up, when I was a boy, there was a thriving Mennonite community in the surrounding counties of Stafford, Spotsylvania and King George. Some of the children from those communities went to my junior high and high school. I always knew them to be good people who would consider it their duty to help others, a quality many other children either hadn’t quite developed or who would never even possess  the capacity to develop.   

      The idea of community is one which always gets redefined and refined in our collective effort to promote a civilized society. One hopes it is an ongoing effort and that such efforts would never work against each other in attempting to achieve common goals. I feel that organizations such as, for example, church can and do play an important role assisting in ameliorating all sorts of social ills that may plague any given community. I also feel that local governments have their necessary roles to play in helping to achieve very much the same objectives. In using those two types of organizations as examples of community supports, I would also like to underline how they can work in tandem to help communities become better functioning. 

      Parents are not supposed to outlive their children. From whatever the cause such tragedies occur, they are perhaps some of the most tragic; without a strong community, such tragedies can have a ripple effect far beyond the immediate family suffering the loss. Some of those family members may not be religiously oriented/affiliated with any church. They may not find value or comfort in support from charitable/religious organizations. Any well-functioning community should also have a nonreligious/non-charity-oriented place/mechanism/organization that can also support the needs of those people.

      P.S.-I remember playing in so many bands with keyboard players who played a Hammond B3. There is nothing like the sound of a Hammond, especially played through a Leslie. (In looking back, sometimes I can’t believe we used to lug those behemoths around, even in doing gigs in small clubs.) Anyway, those glorious sounds were always transcendent to me; I still get chills hearing a good player on a Hammond. 

       

      • Gregg

        Thanks for that Brett, the gig was definitely good for my soul. There is actually video of some of it, you never know when you’ll show up on Youtube. There’s one with the choir but not the really good stuff like “Amazing Grace” and the one about the sparrow (I wish I could remember the name). There’s another of Melissa and I with the Choir’s band that’s just a jam, it was fun. The mix is a little funky.

        Nothing personal but I don’t want to post my youtube channel here but these are not on my channel. If you are interested just search “Melissa Reaves Mennonite” or “Melissa Reaves friends”. Look for May 6, 2012.

  • aj

    “On the night of November 6, 1963, Laura Welch(Laura Bush) ran a stop sign, causing a fatal car accident that killed her friend in another car. The driver of the other car was her close friend and classmate Michael Dutton Douglas. By some accounts, he had been Welch’s boyfriend at one time.”

    I read on a Leftist blog that she did it on purpose, to her ex-boyfriend. What’s your best guess? Was it intentional or not?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      WHO, but Laura could know, if SHE does?
          I am, by NO means, a ‘W’ supporter, but I see no reason to bring this up, UNLESS there is evidence of murder?

      • aj

        “…Years later, some time in the middle of George Jr’s first term, maybe 2003, I was driving west across Texas and decided to swing north from Interstate 20 and visit Midland,  where George Jr was partly raised, as was the lovely Laura Welch.
        My intention was to visit the crossroads where around 8pm, November 6, 1963, two days after her 17th birthday – yes, she’s a Scorpio –  Laura’s Chevy slammed into a ’62 Corvair driven by her friend, some say erstwhile boyfriend, Michael  Douglas, who died in the collision, thrown from the car, neck broken. Had he stiffed her as her birthday date and when she saw Michael’s Corvair – new model, novel in contour —  crossing her path on the Texan plain,  treeless back then –  she’d put the pedal to the metal? Chevys in those days were fairly well built and the Corvair a lighter car. Would she have known it was him? The headlights on the Corvair were in a novel configuration, but that’s a stretch. Maybe she was gabbing to her 17-old girl friend in the passenger seat. Still, Michael was part of a two-car cavalcade, with his dad in a car right behind him. That’s a lot of headlight power coming at a 90 degree angle that Laura missed as she shot across the Stop sign.
        After paying homage, I went off down to the Midland public library where I thought Laura had once worked. A Texan friend of mine had murmured to me that in her single days Laura “had cut a wide swath through Texas” and I thought I might pick up some gossip from the librarians…
        …George Jr, by the time he met Laura, was a complete mess, coked up, a heavy drinker. Laura lived at the other end of the Austin condo. Somehow she detected promise and three months later, one day after her 31st  birthday, one day before the anniversary of the terminal encounter with Michael Douglas, they married. George was 31 too.  “What do you do? ” Barbara asked Laura when George introduced them. “I read and I smoke,” Laura famously replied. KO for the Welch girl! ”

        -Alexander Cockburn

      • Warren

        Is there a problem with your key board?You keep using Capitals.Immature,very immature

        • Terry Tree Tree

          With your spelling, punctuation, and other results from your past, YOU call my actions immature?

    • Azra

      She would never have done something like that on purpose. She might not have chosen the right life partner, (to our liking, maybe, but she seems completely happy and content with him, and that’s all that really counts), but she’s a good person, and you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who would dispute that claim.

      • aj

        I think that’s right. While on the other hand Barbara Bush is a horribly bitter, furiously derisive, contempuous, most unpleasant, tacky, monsterous snob.

        Whose contempt for the poor (like the victims of Katrina) wass anything but hypocritical because she openly admitted it!

        Only a witch hands a mason jar with her miscarriedfoetus to her young son George to hold, whileshe looks for her car keys…” What is it mom? ”

        I know her daughter died of leukemia at age 4,but honestly, does she have to be such a miserable hag?

        On the other hand, we have Betty Ford. Now there’s a FLOTUS to be revere. Outspoken on marijuana, premarital sex, addiction, and choice. Rosalynn Carter was strong too.

        Perhaps Hillary should have been POTUS instead of ‘Slick Willy’,but she sure was no Eleanor Roosevelt. Do you think Eleanor -a daughter of wealth but a passionate advocate for the 99%- would of sat on the board of directors for Wal-Mart and stayed silent about the company’s vicious anti-worker policies like Hillary did??

        Azra do you think Eleanor would of been so keen to vote to invade Iraq and threaten to invade Iran like Hillary did? I don’t think so!

        Anyway, happy mothers day ol’ girl.

        • Azra

          Hi! Didn’t see your comments til now, and agree. When George I was President, I really liked Barbara Bush, because I didn’t know what she was really like until much later. The only things I learned about her were those I had seen and heard for myself. This is the first time I’ve heard about tha Mason jar, and don’t know the full story, but know quite enough. How vile!

          Also hadn’t heard about Laura Bush’s accident until you told about it, but I was aware of Ted Kennedy’s scandalous “accident”.

    • Warren

      Bush Derangement Syndrome squared.Stick to your MidEast Bigotry please

  • JonS

    Sorry but the piece on Romney was nothing more than a smear piece masquerading as journalism that most fair-minded people should dismiss outright. Searching back nearly 50 years to find an isolated example of questionable behavior is shoddy journalism that reinforces the view that MSM is biased and decidedly in the tank for the Obama. It is, an example of the  constant insertion of liberal politics into even the most politically irrelevant article.  For the many on this board that continuously deride Fox News , Rush Limbaugh , the WSJ , etc. and want to silence these outlets , the best way to diminish their impact would be to insist that their MSM outlets ( NYT, WaPo, NBC , etc.) apply greater balance in their news coverage. I’ll believe the NYT and WaPo are not in the tank for Obama when I see the same investigative reporting and critical analysis of Obama that you see when they’re examining a Republican candidate. Even the NYT’s own ombudsman  (Arthur Brisbane) several Sunday’s ago criticized the NYT over its fluff coverage of  Obama by stating ” Many critics view the Times as constitutionally unable to address the election in an unbiased fashion”. As Brisbane further said , “Readers need to know: Who is the real Barack Obama?” Amazing that after 3 1/2 years in office and one year of campaigning for the presidency that a writer for the once -respected NYT is now asking this question.

    Even NPR and particularly Tom Ashbrook should look at himself and his programming of late. When Ashbrook first started on WBUR his show was much more evenly balanced when discussing the issues of the day. Just on Friday’s programming, Jack Beatty harped ( with Tom’s silent endorsement) on the MSM talking point that Lugar’s defeat is further proof that the lack of partisanship in Washington is totally the blame of the Republicans. Yes NPR and Beatty can cite Mann and Ornstein’s article that lays the blame on Republicans , but so what. As Major Garrett correctly pointed out , where are the moderate ( Blue Dog)  Democrats in today’s Democratic Party? It’s not exactly left wing Democrats being voted out in favor of more moderate Democrats. What message were House Democrats sending to the country when they made Nancy Pelosi House minority head. The same Pelosi who oversaw the  November 2010 debacle election and who is arguably the most stupid, partisan and despised person in national politics. The same Pelosi who outright lied to the American public about her knowledge of waterboarding in order to take partisan political advantage of the MSM/ NYT/ACLU gang up on Bush. Whatever happened to Sen. Joe Lieberman,  US Rep Jason Altmire, US Rep Tim Holden and other moderate Democrats who lost in their primaries? The fact is that both parties are becoming more polarized , reflecting the sharp divisions in this country. It’s unfortunate that the one office that could unite this country –the presidency of the US–is occupied by someone who I think is the most partisan and deliberately divisive president of my lifetime. Shameful and disgusting.

  • Still Here

    I just listened to the show again and have to say that it was great having Mona on.  She’s really got a powerful command of facts which is especially apparent given all the baseless criticism being directed towards her here; but alas this is the playground of leftwing hacks and malcontents.  Thank you Mona for your courage!  Hope to hear you here again.  Peace.

    • Brett

      This is the playground of left-wing hacks and malcontents?

      Which one are you? A left-wing hack? …No, that one doesn’t seem to fit; you’ve never expressed any left-wing views or left-wing partisanship of any kind. Let’s see…let’s see…

      • Warren

        NPR is 80% Liberals.Are you guys here to argue politics or is thuis a “self help” group similar to AA.

        • Brett

          Re-read my comment, MO-D…you don’t understand what I was saying.

        • feettothefire

           Every time I see someone characterize NPR as “liberal” radio I think, “Another GED dropout heard from.” Conservative radio is populated nationwide, both locally and nationally, by shows featuring individual “opinion-meisters.” That’s fine. Their job is to express their own conservative views, and that’s what they do. Rush, Laura, Bill, Michael, and all the rest do a superb job epitomizing the Conservative point of view. Fifteen or twenty minute long monologues. Interaction with callers. Some interviews. But, across the board, without exception, the focus is on the host and his or her opinions. Period. Let’s contrast that with the terrible liberal programing on NPR. “On Point with Tom Ashbrook.” Any long, tedious monologues with Tom bloviating about his personal feelings on the issues? No. He may interject a bit too often for some peoples tastes but, hey, he is the moderator. He is the one conducting the interview. That’s how interviewers get good interviews. But, I’ve never heard him spend great chunks of his show expressing personal opinions. That’s what the guests are for. The same goes for “Talk of The Nation,” A show with a format almost identical to “ON POINT.” Only stupid people could think Neal Conan, one of the best interviewers and radio hosts in the business, is a partisan liberal. Terry Gross? An equal opportunity Radio host. Comedians, Actors, Scientists, Politicians. All are welcome. Even cry-babies like Bill O’reilly, who walks off her show because he doesn’t like the way she’s interviewing him. What a tough guy. Maybe he should have told her to ‘SHUT UP, SHUT UP, JUST SHUT UP.” The list goes on. Diane Rehm? Another show featuring a host who lets the guest be more important than herself. Contrast this to the conservative radio hosts I’ve mentioned, who must make sure we know exactly how they think we should feel. Conservatives seem to think if a radio show doesn’t wear blatant conservative ideals on its sleeve, it must therefore be “liberal” radio. I’ll tell you one thing. Any one of the radio shows I just mentioned will provide a greater wealth of information and opinion than anything we’ll ever get from the monologuists on conservative radio.  

          • Gregg

            I disagree completely (no surprise). Liberal talk radio cannot survive in the marketplace of ideas or they would. Rush Limbaugh is far more fair, accurate and civil than NPR. No contest.

          • feettothefire

            Rush Limbaugh is more fair, accurate and civil than “On Point,” “Talk of The Nation,” or” “The Diane Rehm Show?” Thanks for clearing that up for me. That Diane Rehm is such a loudmouth bully. Neal Conan? What an opinionated, liberal slob. What’s he thinking, having all those guests with opinions of their own? Despite the fact that I’ve indicated NPR is not liberal radio, we obviously disagree. But as for your claim that “liberal radio,” aka radio that does not feature sef-important gas-bags as hosts, cannot survive? the reality is quite the opposite. NPR is doing just fine. At least TRY for something akin to accuracy.

          • jefe68

            Why do you even waste your time with these people? They are here to inflate their own egos and to tell their friends how the stuck it to the “liberals” on BUR and NPR.
            What you have here between Gregg and Still here, (one wonders why he is) are people whom are so far to right that Nixon would seem moderate next to them. They sound like the local chapter of the John Birch Society.

          • feettothefire

             I’ve never heard any NPR host or reporter use a term like “Femi-Nazis. Have you? How wonerfully civil of Rush.

          • Gregg

            I love NPR. I like Friday’s news round ups on Diane Rehm. She usually has one squishy conservative to go with two rabid liberals. I’d say three but Diane isn’t rabid. I don’t know where you get the bully stuff. Tom is great at the craft of radio as he casually and tacitly accuses Sarah Palin of shooting Gabby by saying “a bullet through the brain” is a “Consequence” of her language. Terry Gross jumped the shark long ago. ATC doesn’t consider all sides. I just don’t think they are always fair.

          • feettothefire

             I’ll  bear in mind these critiques as I hold my nose and try to force myself to listen to a few of Rush Limbaugh’s fair, accurate, and civil radio shows. I promise I’ll try, but that doesn’t guarantee success.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Good Luck finding one!

          • Azra

            Have never heard liberal radio, though channels are available on my satellite radio. They seem to be doing very well, indeed. Where are you getting your info?

          • feettothefire

             He gets his info from Limbaugh, who he believes is far more fair and accurate than the thousands of people who appear on NPR every year. You know, real economists. Real military experts. People with real expertise in the areas of education, science, international relations. Gregg feels that a narcissistic, self-proclaimed “entertainer” provides America with much better analysis than smart people who actually know what they’re talking about.

          • Gregg

            I don’t have satellite and am not sure how it works. Can you buy al a carte?. I’ve heard Bill Press, Randi Rhodes and a few others while driving late at night when the AM dial comes alive. I used to listen to Air America and Al Franken before their spectacular failure. None of them touch the success on the right.

          • Azra

            A special satellite radio is necessary, and available for home or vehicles. Satellite car radios also include AM and FM, so it’s the best of all worlds, and a godsend during long trips. A tiny antenna is also necessary; it’s a rather flat, adjustable, plastic (?) rectangle on an extremely long, very thin cord. It may be placed anywhere, either indoors or out, close to the radio or far away. Indoors, a windowsill guarantees best reception, but I have moved mine to just about all possible locations, at home outdoors, and in motel rooms, and reception has always been great. The antenna may also be mounted, using screws. In vehicles, the antenna is usually mounted to the roof, but may be inside. The satellite car radio replaces the AM-FM one that was standard in most vehicles. In addition, the car radio, (mine is about the size, and weight, of an average harmonica, but I’ve had it since about 2000 or 2001; they might be larger, or smaller now), is easily removed when you leave your vehicle, to prevent theft. The sturdy protective case for mine is similar to the one that came with my sunglasses, and doesn’t take up much room in a purse, pocket, or briefcase.

            There are something like 200 channels available, (they’re not stations), audio for both radio and television. There are 2 NPR channels alone, which carry every popular program, including “Car Talk”, “Wait, Wait …”Don’t Tell Me”, “Whad y’ Know”,and “Prairie Home Companion”. Unfortunately, “Morning Edition” and “ATC” are not included.

            There are weather channels available for all areas, also various news channels, like CNN, CNN Headline, Fox, MSNBC, Cspan, and more, so you can listen to your favorite television programs on those channels LIVE, at the same time as they are being aired on TV. (Every Sunday, beginning at noon ET, Cspan re-airs all Sunday morning talk shows, (“Meet the Press”, “This Week”, etc.). P.O.T.U.S. channel is bipartisan, and covers many live events, such as speeches (all parties), and the daily White House Briefings, with Jay Carney. Howard Stern’s show is available, as are reruns of Oprah’s TV show, on the Oprah channel, (while she was doing new daily shows, audio was broadcast, now only reruns), along with The Gayle King Show, Dr.Oz’s radio show, Deepak Chopra’s show, and many more. Another channel used to carry Ellen De Generes’ show. Don’t know why that stopped. You can listen to Dr.Radio, religious and family channels, Disney channel, story-telling channels, Old-Time Radio, (Jack Benny, The Life of Riley, Fibber McGee & Molly, The Great Gilderslieve, Burns & Allen, The Shadow, etc.). There are other entertainment channels, including Martha Stewart’s, which airs her TV show, also artsy-craftsy, foodie, or tech-y programs, (with interesting guests), and specific phone-in shows about pets, every weeknight at 7:00; Monday is “Ask Martha’s Vet”, with Dr. Marty Goldstein, Tuesday features Dr.Shawn, holistic vet, Wednesday is “Cat Chat” with Traci Hotchner, Thursday is all about dogs, (especially training issues, with host Greg Cleva, and Friday’s show is about pets in general, with Marc Marrone. Kevin Sharkey, Martha’s home designer, has a phone-in show, as does Martha Stewart. There is a Playboy channel, and E! Entertainment, as well as a large slection of music channels to appeal to every musical taste.

            Don’t know how, but I’ve left out NPR’s “On Point”, “The Splendid Table”, “Fresh Air”, “Here and Now”, BOB EDWARDS, Leonard Lopate, “Talk of the Nation”, Diane Rehm, “Tell Me More”,”To the Point”, Tavis Smiley, “This American Life”, “Living on Earth”, “Planetary Radio”, “Selected Shorts”, “National Geographic”, “From the Top”, “Soundcheck”, “The Takeaway”, and more. (Phew!)

            Also remarkable, is the fact that reception has been excellent through even the heaviest storms! During a storm, you might be watching one of the news channels carried by Sirius XM Radio. If the radio is tuned to the same channel, and TV reception cuts out, you can continue listening to it on the radio. There are AC-DC satellite radios available, so you won’t miss your favorite Sirius XM programs, (or the “Emergency” or TWC for your area), even during a power outage. Have never tried listening to it in a storm shelter though, which would be the ultimate test.

            There is a monthly fee for subscribing to the service, and you must provide your own radio. Many of the latest models, antennas, and other related products, may also be ordered from the Sirius XM website. Later on, if you decide to get more radios, each one must be registered, in order to have service, and for each additional radio, there is an additional monthly charge. Not sure, but I think it’s about $15-$20/month for service with one radio. There is also a Sirius app available for Android, and other phones, iPad, etc, which I also have on my iPhone. The app is free, and comes with either a seven, or ten-day FREE TRIAL.

            In the unlikely event that you’re still reading this, you will know how valuable satellite radio is to me. Sorry I got so carried away.

            

          • aj

            Adorable

        • Brett

          I see…are you saying you are one of the  malcontents? According to Still Here, others on this forum must be one or the other. I’m left wing, you are not. That leaves one option for you, according to her…pick one. Any other commenters wish to hazard a guess as to the camp Mr. “Warren” belongs? Or would he be a self-described malcontent?  

          Are you here to argue any point? Or are you here just to repeat your same lines and phrases over and over? I’m sure visiting this forum offers all sorts of benefits to people; for example, take your OCD and ADD…I would guess you would find an aversion to any legitimate form of therapy/medication, so perhaps this forum helps you in some way with those. 

    • Zero

      Anybody who says we should have let the banks fail and then turns around and says Obama is taking too long to turn around the economy is a hack.

  • Hidan

    Obama’s success in Libya,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/magazine/in-libya-the-captors-have-become-the-captive.html?_r=2&smid=tw-share

    http://www.salon.com/2012/05/11/various_matters_17/singleton/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=167oCMNyqiQ

    ‘Cleansed’ Libyan town spills its terrible secrets

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16051349

    Good thing Nato was there,

    Tawerghans are mostly descendants of black slaves. They are generally
    poor, were patronised by the Gaddafi regime and were broadly supporters
    of his regime. Some signed up to fight for him as the regime fought for
    its survival.

    What happened in Misrata and Tawergha revealed one of the
    fault lines in Libya. It illustrates how difficult national
    reconciliation is going to be in some areas. It can also be seen as an
    example of the victors in the war that overthrew Gaddafi imposing
    summary and brutal justice on some of the communities that sided with
    the former regime and were vanquished.

    People in Misrata explain what happened in Tawergha, the cleansing of a whole town, in terms of the rapes and sexual torture.They are in no mood for reconciliation or forgiveness. In this conservative society, rape is an unforgivable crime. The victims do not come forward and so there is no way to know the extent of the crimes.

    http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/02/21/libya-displaced-people-barred-homes

    Ethnic cleansing, genocide and the Tawergha
    http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/09/26/libya-ethnic-cleansing-tawargha-genocide/

    The thing about the above is
    Lourdes Garcia–Navarro knew about this and choose not to report it when it was happening, the first time NPR reported it was weeks/months after the death of Gadafi on Michele Martin’s tell me more none of NPR embedded reporters found the above newsworthy and she got the Peabody Award

  • Warren

    On “Meet The Press”,the banter turned to the front page story in the Wash.Post..The story about Romney’s “hazing” incident,from high school.Chris Mathews screamed,he’s a bully with an animous towards gays.The round table exploded.Ms.Parker sniped(the kids parents denied the incident was of consequence and decried the Wash.Posts bias),maybe we should check his kindergarten records and see if he hogged the red crayons.This reminds me of the NYT front page story about McCains extramarital affair.I’ll never foregt the show with Charlie Rose and T.Brokaw.They ruminated,we never vetted Pres.Obama,I mean what do we know of his past.The 4th Estate has become the 5th Column.Stand by for the “Seamus Papers”.

    • Azra

      Secretive to the extreme, Romney is the exact opposite of President Obama, whose life is an open book . . . two books, really. If there was anything left to know, we would all know it by now.

    • Brett

      Are you really genuinely concerned about the kid’s family’s opinions? Or are you just trying to use this moment/issue to bash what you perceive to be liberal media and the fact that the candidate you want to win the presidency is probably not going to win? Do you think Obama’s past and what is said/known of it by mainstream media is false and the extreme right-wing version of his past the true account?  

  • Warren

    Mr.Markey,who decries the Keystone Pipeline, wants to expand the pipeline suppling Natural Gas from the Friggin,Frackin states..Evidently the Yemenis keep blowing the pipeline that yields product to Mass..Mr.Markey ,Mass. is the #4 Military State and 47th most business friendly.Gov.Deval’s new head of the Gaming Commission has resigned over a child sex case and the “Ban On Bake Sales” was overturned in one day.How long will it be before the state’s hand reaches into our showers to turn down the water temp.?
            Ms.Warren,who used her minority status(even the one 32nd part Cherokee is being challenged),should worry that Harvard doesn’t fire her.She says she must be an Indian,her Grandma said she has high cheeks.In Joburg they used to judge ethnicity by the moons on ones cuticles.
         Affirmative action is pernicious.Only one thing scares me more the a woman pilot and that would be a black woman pilot.What a pernicious discipline.

    • Brett

      Just some clarification, if you don’t mind, “Warren.” 

      1) Fracking, do you champion or condemn?

      2) Re: your views on the environment, would environmental regulation of any kind in industry be categorically something you consider akin to martial law?
       
      3) Do you bring up the shameless use of ethnic identity by Ms. Warren because that is your main beef with her, or is it really her party affiliation and economic views that you dislike?

      4) Do you think Ms. Warren’s use of ethnic identity makes the US exactly like Johannesburg during apartheid? 

      5) If there had never been affirmative action programs of any kind, looking back to the beginning of civil rights for blacks, would there be any reasonably significant African-Americans in prominent roles, besides in the sports world? 

      6) You’ve said you are a 92 year old WWII Vet. Is this true or are you dishonoring vets by either mocking them or lying about your own experiences by falsely identifying yourself as part of a group with which you do not belong? 

      7) Are we to give you respect for simply saying you are a WWII vet? In other words, are you expecting a position of worth not based on your true accomplishments? 

      It seems you have much in common with those whom you choose to condemn. 

  • Warren

    The White house has adopted the new election slogan of “Foward”.Foward was the name of the Socialist magazine in Germany, that employed Engels,Marx and Trotsky.Mussolini(?)ran the socialist newspaper “Avanti”, in Trento.Avanti means Foward.Of course,MSNBC is Lean Foward.
           A few days ago Mr.Trumpka said while we’re going to lose the recall vote,we’ll get Walkeer for sure during the next election!!!!And so it goes

    • Gregg

      Has there ever been a period where as a nation we have moved so demonstrably backward? I’m sure there must have been but I can’t remember it. President Obama put jobs and the economy on the back burner to ram through Obamacare and when he did get around to it, the “fix” (Stimulus) made things soooo much worse. In mere weeks we will hear from the SCOTUS about the Constitutionality of Obamacare. What if it is struck down? Talk about a wasted Presidency.

    • JGC

      Yeah, I noticed that, also: Forward, Lean Forward…Of course, who in either party wants to look backward? 

      • Gregg

         Obama at Bush.

        • JGC

          Maybe George Herbert Walker Bush.  I think Obama admires certain personal traits and the foreign accomplishments of GHWB. But I cannot imagine anyone feeling nostalgic for the Bush 2 years.  Except maybe the banksters. And Dick Cheney.

          The one thing Bush 2 got right is how he keeps a low profile as ex-president. It must be hard not to respond to his many critics.    

          • Terry Tree Tree

            NOT when ‘W’ knows his critics are right!

          • Gregg

            It used to be former Presidents didn’t criticize their successors and current Presidents didn’t criticize their predecessors.  GHWB is a saint for not responding to Clinton as is his son for not responding to Obama. 

  • Gregg

    Romney should look up his victim and let him cut his perfect hair on TV, then they could have a beer summit. It would be gold. This is such silly stuff.

    • Hidan

       Dudes dead.

    • JGC

      Hi  Gregg,

      I don’t think you are following the smaller picture.  Romney can’t look up his victim, named John Lauber, because Mr. Lauber died in 2004. I am sure Mitt would if he could, because Romney 2.0 is a different person from  Romney circa 1966. (Just like most of us.)  Now, why did Mr. Lauber die at such a relatively young age?  Don’t know.  His surviving sisters are mortified that his name is being dredged up into this politically charged situation, knowing him to have been an intensely private person, and one who did not conform to “normal” rules.  You should try to go to a primary source, and if possible more than one source, before expounding in such a pithy, yet uninformed, way. 

      Anyway, on a lighter note, Mr. Romney could never sponsor a beer summit, because as a Mormon, that is a no go (alcohol consumption).  I heard on a different NPR program, a Georgian Republican suggesting that if Romney comes to visit their part of the country, to leave behind the false-friendly “cheesy grits”  and instead to cozy up to the locals with some sweet tea.  BAAAAA! Oops, wrong answer. Tea also has caffeine, a no go as well. 

      I have no idea what Mormons unwind with, when conversing with the neighbors.  Tap water?  Perrier?  

      Since Mitt Romney spent his youthful (Vietnam-era) years performing missionary work for the Mormons in the French countryside, I have to suspect Perrier is his drink of choice. Ça va?  

      • Gregg

        I was just an idea, no sourcing required but thanks for telling me he’s dead. BTW, I have it on good authority, he tried a beer once, so…

        Do you have a problem with a Mormon President?

        • Azra

          Mormons are fine with. It makes no difference whether they woship God, Bhuda, or The Great Carrot.

          However, we do have a problem with a psychopathic, sociopathic, xenophobic, homophobic, or fascist U.S. president, with any combination of these abnormalities.

          • Azra

            ~ ~ ~ Sadists are also not welcome.

        • JGC

          No, I don’t have a problem with a Mormon president. I’m going through a mental checklist (Buddhist, Hindu, Methodist, Catholic, Islamic, atheist, Lutheran…) and I can’t really think of anyone I would reject out of hand only on the basis of religion. Except maybe Evangelicals. And perhaps Scientologists. Religion needs to worn very lightly or I get nervous.  

          You are right about the beer. There was a fun piece in the NYT last month “The Wrath of Grapes” by Timothy Egan.  It tried to dissect whether the success of a U.S. presidency can be predicted based on the drinking habits of the incumbent.  And there it is in the opening line, that Romney confessed to having tried a beer and cigarette or two during his wayward teen years (probably around the time he was tackling prep school longhairs to administer forcible Supercuts).

          But no one should have to participate in having a beer or doing anything else that comes off as inauthentic, in a bid to appear like one of the locals. It often doesn’t work out very well.  Wasn’t there also some unfortunate cookie disaster in Pennsylvania for Romney? And I am suddenly reminded of the horrible 37 bowling score that Obama got on the 2008 campaign trail,come to think of it, also in Pennsylvania!  Pennsylvania seems to be the Bermuda Triangle of photo ops. Take note, advance teams, as you plot your candidates’ appearances through the Keystone State…

          • Gregg

            Do you remember Kerry duck hunting? I guess it’d still be better to go hunting with him than Cheney. I agree about the photo-op thing.

            Regarding the Mormon thing, I don’t either. I’m thinking religion vs. religion is trumping religion vs. non-religion when it comes to deep gut-wrenching decisions of Biblical importance. At the risk of coming off as sanctimonious, I honestly see a deep-rooted moral compass (define as you like) as a positive. Any President is quickly overcome by forces high and low, near and far, deep and wide. Then there’s the power thing… it can be real sweet. The problem is, it’s a real job with real implications defending real sacrifice by real patriots. I may not get down on my knees and pray but it doesn’t bother me much if our President does. It’s a tough job, God bless him.

          • JGC

            And with that I cede you the last word!  See you at next Friday’s roundtable!

      • Azra

        Ça va bien. If Mitt is any indication, which I highly doubt, they DON’T unwind. Mitt is wound as tightly as a drum, and could snap at any time.

  • feettothefire

    Who can tell me why Disqus doesn’t send replies to my E-mail?

    • JGC

      Shrug.

  • http://www.ghostfreeman.net Cameron Kilgore

    And thus marks the last episode of On Point I will listen to. Its insulting to think that WBUR would let a mouthbreathing right wing shill like Mona Charen masquerade as resident expert, but she made Jack look rational and Tom never took her to task on the nonsense broadcast from my car speakers.

  • JGC

    Lugar, we hardly knew ye…

  • J__o__h__n

    Don’t most sociopaths turture animals first before they move onto people?  Mitt did this in the wrong order. 

    • Azra

      He might have been torturing animals since he was a very young child, but hiding any abuse as closely and fiercely as he ‘s hiding his INCOME TAX RETURNS.

      Seamus
      Dogs Against Romney

  • elapab

    He needs vote from Gay community.
    http://ouropenmind.com

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