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Immigration At The High Court

Arizona’s tough immigration law goes to the Supreme Court. We’ll look at the law and consequences.

Immigration reform supporters walk past the Supreme Court during a rally for immigration reform in Washington, on Sunday, March 21, 2010.  (AP)

Immigration reform supporters walk past the Supreme Court during a rally for immigration reform in Washington, on Sunday, March 21, 2010. (AP)

The U.S. Constitution gives the federal government authority to make foreign policy, and that starts with issues of the border.  Like immigration.  Two years ago, Arizona lawmakers frustrated with illegal immigration stepped in with their own plans.  Just to help, they said, drive out undocumented immigrants.

It was a harsh menu.  Half a dozen states share it.  This week the Supreme Court steps in.  It’s a conservative court.  The politics are crackling.

This hour, On Point:  the view from Arizona, and Washington and more on state powers and immigration crackdown before the high court.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

David Savage, reporter for the Los Angeles Times who covers the Supreme Court. His recent article on the Arizona case is here.

Joe Dana, a reporter and anchor at KPNX Channel 12, the NBC affiliate in Phoenix.

Charles Dean, senior reporter at the Birmingham News.

Peter Roff, contributing editor at US News & World Report.

From Tom’s Reading List

Anniston Star “Instead of repealing the disaster known as HB56, Alabama lawmakers have apparently decided to walk a fine line that closely resembles a gangplank. Montgomery Republicans are stuck between two sides — the angry Alabamians anxious to scapegoat a small Hispanic population and the rest of the state, including Republicans, who fret over the damage done to our reputation.”

Tucson Citizen “But much has changed on the immigration front since then: The state’s sizable illegal-immigrant population, one of the driving factors behind passage of the law, has shrunk dramatically. The state hasn’t passed a single immigration bill since SB 1070, ending the passage of a string of enforcement measures leading up to the law. ”

Birmingham News “The bill keeps the core of the 2011 immigration law, but makes changes lawmakers said will make the law easier to enforce and less burdensome for legal citizens and businesses. Republicans largely voted for the bill and Democrats against it.”

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  • AC

    How do the neighboring border states feel about this law? Presumably, ‘trafficking’ or what ever other illegal activites may be occuring is going to rise for them….also, this is scheduled for this Wed, the 25th. There’s no actual information yet to report…?

    • Brett

      I’ve been going to California fairly regularly since 1961, and the people I’ve heard from, including relatives, seem to get their hackles up about “Mexicans.” There was a pervasive undesirable sentiment about Latinos long before immigration appeared to be a problem. 

      Conversely, I don’t sense nearly the same palpable disdain toward people south of the border whenever I go through New Mexico.

      I can’t say about Nevada or Utah, as I haven’t spent much time in either of those states; but, you pose an interesting question. 

      • AC

        gee. i would have thought it was older than even that – considering there is still resentment from the civil war between ‘south & north mentality’, the Mexican-American war was roughly the same time…maybe just ongoing bitterness and suspicion?…

        • Brett

          You are probably correct, I’m just not quite as old as the Mexican-American War (although, at times, I feel like I am). ;-) 

          • Brett

            P.S.-I have a friend who thought he was being cut out of jobs (he’s a stone cutter/contractor) because of Latinos. At times, when he was on a job and there would be Latinos also on the job, he would wax suspicious. I recommended he ask them to teach him some Spanish; I also said I thought he should try risking sitting with them at lunch and even sharing food (Latino crews know how to eat lunch together; many even cook at lunchtime!). My friend wanted no part. His suspicions turned to bitterness when his business slacked off in ’07 and ’08, yet he had no proof his problem was anything more than the bad economy in general. 

      • Hidan

         New York may not have the same feelings about Mexicans but it shows against Muslims. Not sure about Utah cause I only went there based on church events so the goal was to get others to join.

  • Anonymous

    Did the Republicans rally the Right’s unemployed and underemployed frustration and anger into hatred for Hispanics just to fire up their voting base or

    is the growth in the Hispanic population such a threat to the Republican party that they feel it threatening the ability of their state legislatures to gerrymander away
     
    or is this just an act of racism, because during the Bush years these issues were not taken seriously as problems?

  • Hidan

    Republicans are in a catch 22, to appeal to there base they need to support this discriminatory and  profiling law but than on the other hand gerrymandering districts to exclude Latino’s are getting harder and harder to win without court challenges(like in Texas) . The only group that Republicans have seem to capture is Cuban’s but than again immigration excludes them base on the law passed in the 1980′s.

    Even the racist Newt had to backtrack his previous comments of Spanish being the language of the Ghetto.

    • William

      All laws discriminate against illegal or bad behavior.

      • Hidan

        which is it? Is being Latino is a bad behavior or illegal?

        • William

          Does the law just go after Hispanics or anyone that is here illegally? The second and third largest group of illegals is from China and India.

          • Hidan

             Hispanics as it was intended to do, mainly justified on the grounds the Feds were not doing enough for our southern boarders, little if nothing on  Indians or Chinese.

            Do you have information stating otherwise?

          • William

            The law does not say “just arrest Hispanics”.

          • TFRX

            Don’t worry, I’m sure that any “frostbacks” will be handled with the same consideration.

            Cops know what to look for: Edmonton Eskimos caps, and poutine breath.

          • TFRX

            The deadpan I used was actually in front of a serious point adding to this thread.

            Some immigrants come here through airports; others through ground transport. It affects the strata of who comes here, blue collar v. white collar, among other things.

          • Brett

            Good question…I don’t know, do we hear about Chinese people and Indian people being rounded up regularly/harassed by law enforcement? 

          • William

            It would be interesting to see if most of the illegals from China/India are here on Visa’s and just overstay and disappear.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            because HISPANICS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA ARE VERY DANGEROUS

      • Terry Tree Tree

        ALL corporations are people like you and I?  OR, are they employers of people like you and I?
         Citizens United is a law that ENFORCES illegal and BAD behavior!
           Doesn’t the Catholic church have laws (canons) against RAPE?  RAPE of Children?  Homosexual RAPE?  Lying?  Oath of Celibacy?  MANY other laws against the disgusting actions of priests, and the clergy (ALL the way to the pope), that protect and hide them?

  • Bruceguindon

    Its the court I fear and the fact that it’s out of control and what ever it decides will be right leaning and politically biased

  • Still Here

    a)  The law needs to be enforced
    b)  State/local law enforcement enforces federal laws all the time

    • Hidan

      Just because a law was passed doesn’t make it moral,ethical or should be enforced or actually legal itself.  Esp when it’s based on discriminating against an minority population

      Example,
      “Miscegenation laws”( laws that enforced racial segregation at the level of marriage and intimate relationships by criminalizing interracial marriage and sometimes also sex between members of different races.)

      • Guest

        To follow your advise, people would be taking the law into their own hands. What sort of anarchy would this create?

        The proper process is, if you do not like the law, then work to change it; not to disobeying it.

        This is the lesson that needs to be learned.

    • Patrik

      The system/law needs to be reformed to be more efficient, then enforced.  State and local enforcement should go without saying, unless youre implying there are some local boys with their own special idea of ‘tha laaaaw’.

  • Anonymous

    Laws need to be enforced, but the Right underfunds the agencies that enforce laws that their backers don’t like: EPA, FDA, OSHA, Finance, health and taxes.

    Either the corporations that exploit migrant laborers don’t have enough clout or they are considered sacrificial lambs; either way, if these laws hold up, we’ll see pushes from the Right to federally fund local enforcement, either blatantly with bills like a ‘Defend America Act’ or indirectly through something like a ‘Law and Order Act’.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Illegal Aliens who crossed the boarder from Mexico are the once who are very dangerous.

    They are not screened for criminal and health records.
    NO BACK GROUND CHECK.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Hispanics illegal aliens are the once causing trouble in America. They bring their MS13 and MS16 gang affiliation and spread it all over suburban America.

    They DON’T SPEAK ENGLISH and You Cannot Trust Them.

    • Anonymous

      You need to provide some proof of this claim.
      They do not speak English… and you can’t trust them…
      Wow.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        it is hard to communicate with them compared to Chinese illegal workers. Chinese illegal aliens don’t usually HANG OUT IN THE STREET CAUSING PROBLEMS. They hide from the authorities compared to illegal aliens from Central America like Honduras, Nicaragua etc.

        • Anonymous

          I have proof that you are wrong.
          I know a person who teaches English as a second langauge and the worst students are the Chinese and Haitians and the issue seems to be the education system in their native countries.
          The best are coming from North African nations such as Morocco and Algeria which seem to have better education systems.

          I’m not sure why you harbor such strong convictions about Latinos from Central America, but the gang stuff was here before these folks arrived. Every immigrant demographic had gangs, in the 19th and 20th centuries it was the Irish, Italian and Jewish gangs that were “hanging out in the street” as you say. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Well I am not talking about School.

            I am TALKING ABOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO CANNOT FIND A JOB AND HANGS OUT  IN THE STREETS AND DO NOTHING.

            PROTECT THE GOD DAMN ILLEGAL ALIENS. IT IS YOUR RIGHT

          • Anonymous

            I’m not sure what you mean.
            “Protect the God damn Illegal Aliens”. Seems to me that your anger, which is very much in view, is out of control. 

            You are not helping your argument, whatsoever by acting like a bigot.

          • Shumba

             read through Fax’s remarks, who’s the one with the communication problems? ah the irony

          • Anonymous

            That is an interesting dichotomy is it not. The irony is also in the bigotry. The anger level is amazing.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      This is PART of the problem!

    • Brett

      You don’t speak English either…what should we think of you?

      • Anonymous

        Be careful, this chap has some serious anger management issues.

        • Brett

          Yeah, it’s particularly outrageous today!

          • Anonymous

            The scary thing is he works with the public.

  • Victor Vito

    Republicans and Democrats both want illegals/undocumented/aliens/immigrants in the country for their own reasons.

    Let’s stop acting as though there is any political will to do ANYTHING at all about this.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      GREEDY rich Republicans want the cheap labor, that they can cheat and abuse, and votes, to subdue union labor, that works for Job Safety for ALL, Decent Working Conditions for ALL, Removing Job Discrimination for ALL, ending Job Harassment for ALL , and a safe, skilled, informed workforce!
         Democrats want the votes!

      • Victor Vito

        Yup.

  • Anonymous

    The arguments always seem to be skewed towards Hispanics coming from Mexico, and Central and South America.  There is never any discussion about people who obtain visas to enter the country and never leave, and the longest unguarded boarder in the world between Canada and the US.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      why complaint here?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        sorry the comment was not for you it was for Terry Tree Tree

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Once again, I was blocked from comment.  I eMailed Disqus, asking why, and have been re-instated, without ANY explaination.
      I pointed out that I don’t use foul language, advocate violence, NOR do I have the highest volume of comments.
      I’ll let you know if I ever find out why.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      why complaint here?

      • miro

        Disqus manages this forum for WBUR.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          Tell him to go to the CIVIL LIBERTY UNION

          • Anonymous

            Talk about out of control.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            do you want to be block again mister war arrogant freak!!!!

          • Anonymous

            You are out of control buddy. Stop using threats. Are you aware that you sound like a raving idiot?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Why can’t leave me alone always want to get even for nothing. Stop having your Claim to Fame on message boards.

          • Anonymous

            When you post the crap you do and make it personal what do you expect.
            Get help.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            I AM NOT YOUR BUDDY. I TRIED TO BE NICE TO YOU BUT YOU JUST A HOLE IN HERE AND THE POSSIBILITY IN REAL LIFE TOO

      • Anonymous

        You mean complain. He’s voicing an issue with Disqus, which seems pretty valid to me.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          He was filing a complaint Here!!!! period

          • Anonymous

            Oh please, give it a rest already.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            buzz off no one told you reply on my comment. if you don’t like ME LEAVE ME ALONE!!! CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND MISTER BULLY. ANYWAYS YOU WERE BULLY WHEN YOU WERE A KID ACCORDING TO YOUR COMMENT DOWN THERE. BEING A JEWISH KID IS NOT HARD. YOU MADE YOUR LIFE HARDER FOR NOT FIGHTING BACK

          • Anonymous

            Wow, you need some anger management therapy.
            You posted a lot crap here today and yet you do not want to deal with being confronted for what you posted. Some of it is nasty and bigoted about people who are not like you. It’s a public forum, if you don’t like it do not post. You can sit at home or at work and work up that froth of anger.

            You once claimed to work in a hospital in accounting.
            My hope is you are not working with the public as you clearly lack any people skills.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            I don’t need anger management. I am not a racist. I treat the people who treat me the same.

            I work for people directly and have a good attitude in dealing with people except for those people got no respect with other people. Stop mentioning my job on public forum. I posted a lot of crap I wonder who is the one who got blocked by On Point.

            Don’t be such a hypocrite.

          • Anonymous

            Except you hate a lot of Latinos and have made blatant racist remarks about people from Central America of whom some are my relatives.

            You work for the public? God help them.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        To let people know that it happens, and what I have done to sucessfully be re-instated, so they can.
           Not long ago, you were saying you thought Modavations was blocked, and was extolling his right to Free Speech?
           Do I NOT have that same right to Free Speech?
        Especially since Moda uses wild lies, and MANY other despicable ways to put people down, and I do NOT?

    • Brett

      It’s just a glitch in Disqus and has nothing to do with the content of your comments. Try using another web browser to get into On Point; that’ll work. You can download different ones… 

  • U.S. Vet.

    While the federal goverment is suing Arizona for enforcing federal law,

    Arizona should be suing the federal goverment over the illegal and criminal Operation, ‘Fast and Furious’.  The program approved by President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder where thousands of AK-47 assault rifles were sold to Mexican drug cartels, and which resulted in three U.S. Border Patrol agents being killed as a result.

    Arizona gets sued for following federal mandates on immigration enforcement, while Obama and Holder’s Justice Dept. get caught selling AK-47′s to drug cartels (Fast and Furious) and no one goes to jail or is even prosecuted.

    The families of the three slain U.S. Border Patrol agents are demanding that President Obama and Atty. General Holder be brought to justice for their crimes.

     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The wrong folks are being targeted to reduce illegal immigration. After the crash of 2008, illegal immigration plummeted – because there were no jobs.

    Go after businesses illegally hiring and you will greatly impact illegal immigration. But be ready to pay for this in terms of higher prices and the collapse of US agriculture.

    • mg/NE

       Perhaps the international Wall Street in NYC, NY are the real people as well as Wall Street itself the really worry. Targeting poor who want to work makes no sense.

  • SteveV

    The problem of illegal immigration could have been avoided years ago. Simply make it a felony for ANYONE to hire an illegal immigrant. That includes companies as well as individuals. After a few CEO’s do the “perp walk” the problem will be solved. But since these same people write the laws nothing will change and we’ll be dealing with this for years to come.

    • miro

      Under this law, Mitt Romney would be a felon for hiring illegal landscape workers.

    • ana

      That seems to make the most sense.  It  is hard to understand why the employer issue is basically ignored.
      Still, there would be the criminal illegals to deal with, but it would diminish the number overall.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I am immigrant and sick and tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS who are not law abiding citizen. According to my Puerto Rican and Cuban friends.

    • mg/NE

      Puerto Rico is part of US and Cuba is fleeing a communist regime. Not the same laws as issue of immigrant or undocumented working in US

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        I said according to my Puerto Rican and Cuban friends the Central Americans are trouble makers.

        Puerto Ricans are still have to apply for immigration Visa even though they are part of the US territory.

        • Anonymous

          Puerto Ricans do not need visas. You are wrong. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            I meant Passport. Why do you always want to see the Mistake of a person. Do you always see the negative not positive. you must have one heck of negative life to see all the negativity.

          • Anonymous

            That’s rich coming from one who has spent the entire day, (at work?) making negative comments. You were wrong. Deal with it. My life is fine.
            I see you as one angry individual who post vile diatribes and when you are called out you act like a 6 year child. You have temper tantrum.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    IF Arizona Law Enforcement ENFORCED this law TOTALLY, including Judges, Politicians, Clergy, Rich, Prominent Citizens, and ALL others, REGARDLESS OF COLOR, or apparent ethnicity, things would CHANGE!

  • miro

    FASCISTS control Arizona. 

    They would love to turn the rest of the country into a police state, where one must constantly carry identification papers for the examination of the police.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      You don’t know what is going on in Arizona. My mother who has been an Legal Immigrant has a problem with her Illegal Alien neighbors.

      Why? Loud music, Drinking session almost everyday, They stole her dog, stole my step-father’s bike, stole almost everything they can steal.

      ER patients are ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS WITH GUNSHOT WOUNDS.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

        I expect your mother will be treated like a potential illegal over and over again regardless of her actual status. Hopefully she never forgets her id at home – or law enforcement doesn’t decide it may be forged.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          She was never harass Cops went to her multiple times already.

          People you are protecting did not go to Back ground checks MY MOTHER DID!!!!!

          Stop protecting those Crimininal WHO WENT OVER THE BOARDER.

          If they did not go thru process of the law to be an Immigrant DO YOU THINK THEY WILLL ABIDE AMERICAN LAW?

          ANSWER ME THAT!!!!

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

            I’m not defending the rights of illegals, I’m defending the rights of your mother. Many. many will end up treating her as another illegal who just hasn’t been caught yet. Because for many, the illegal part is the real issue for them.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            That is BS. The people who don’t treat her right are the people who are RACIST period
            it doesn’t matter she American citizen or not as long she is a colored person she will be a second class citizen.

          • Anonymous

            Interesting how you use the word racist in terms of your own family but yet when dealing with the Latino population you are making a lot of comments that filled with racism.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Because Latinos are racist against Asian. They like calling All Asians CHINO!!!!!

            I experienced that white boy!!!! did you

          • Anonymous

             I’ve been beaten up for being Jewish.
            Called all sorts of names. I’m not like you, full of hate and bile.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            you only hate me after the filipino people protected the JEWS

          • Anonymous

            I don’t hate you you. u. I dislike that you seem to be unable to contorl your anger.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            hah!!!!

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

            Exactly – and imagine that racist in law enforcement with the Arizona law behind them.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You and jefe68 have a LOT in common, other than your birth year 68, or whatever it is.
               If you re-read your comments on this issue, as if you were someone else, would you like them?

          • Anonymous

            I have nothing  in common with this man. He’s a bigot. I’m not.
            Where do you get this idea from?

          • Brownduncan

             Border (spelling)

      • mg/NE

         You are profiling based on one set of neighbors. I have had same situation, even broke into my home and they were white.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          really!

      • miro

        The answer is to enforce local ordinances and prosecute neighborhood theft — what you seem to want is something more like ethnic cleansing in the form of mass deportations.

        This is how the really nasty stuff begins.

        • miro

          I do think that theft, even petty theft, should be severely punished, and that illegal immigrants should be deported for these sorts of crimes. There is NO EXCUSE for criminality of this sort.

          But this is specific to those accused of concrete crimes, and it is not an invitation for the police to go out looking for people they think are not Americans.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

           Would you like a neighbor to built a house on your property?

      • Anonymous

         What a nonsense. Who would steel a dog? All undocumented people that I know are quieter than a door nob in order not to attract attention. My neighbors, that I suspect are undocumented, help me to pull trash can out if I forget.   As far as ER goes, I personally know plenty of American citizens who are pretend to be undocumented in ER  because they cannot afford ER co-pay and co-insurance. Personally, I might do the same. Last summer we got a $2 600 bill for daughter’s ER visit. And we have a medical insurance.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          You are calling my mother a liar and my step-father!!!!
          you rather protect the Illegal Aliens who never screen by immigrations and never do anything for you.

          “American citizen who pretended to be illegal” that’s the most stupid comment I ever read in my life.

          Personally don’t show your stupidy in Public forums a citizen who wanted to be an illegal alien to get free care.

  • Drew You Too

    First, let me say that my heart breaks for the children that are put into a terrible situation, BY THEIR PARENTS. If the parents aren’t willing to take responsibility for their actions something has to give.

    Secondly, they broke the law when entering the country illegaly. No amount of spin will change that fact.

    That being said, I know firsthand what an illegal resident’s irresponsibility can do to a legitimate citizen’s life. I was hit head on by an illegal resident who made an improper left hand turn. She could not speak english, had no driver’s license, and no insurance. She had two children in the vehicle who were not injured, thank goodness. I wasn’t so fortunate. I was already hanging by a thread thanks to someone stealing my identity (search “Criminal Identity Theft”) and this illegal resident was literally the straw that broke the camel’s back. My car was totaled, I was injured, lost my job, and eventually lost my house.

    As for the whining about having to carry documentation is concerned, almost nothing could infuriate me more. I have never been arrested for or convicted of any offence (DOJ clearance to prove it) yet I have to carry papers at all times because someone else broke the law. I used to love this country…

    • miro

      We are very sorry for your losses, but would it have been any different if the other driver had been a legal, licensed driver without insurance? Your illegal bad driver should be deported (and/or punished for driving without insurance), but this still does not justify ongoing, systematic dragnet style interrogations for everyone. 

      It is a very bad state of affairs when large segments of the population are afraid of the police. They can act in arbitrary ways, on the flimsiest of pretenses, and have the power to incarcerate and humiliate (now via strip search). When large numbers of people do not feel comfortable relying on the police for protection, many crimes go unreported and petty crime flourishes.

      In the end, Arizona-style mandatory police-state interrogations make things worse in terms of public safety. They change the attitude of citizens toward their governments.

      • Drew You Too

        “It is a very bad state of affairs when large segments of the population are afraid of the police. They can act in arbitrary ways, on the flimsiest of pretenses, and have the power to incarcerate and humiliate (now via strip search). When large numbers of people do not feel comfortable relying on the police for protection, many crimes go unreported and petty crime flourishes.”

        And this is different from past practices of Law Enforcement how? ALL Americans should have been experiencing the fear you speak of since the Patriot Acts and The Military Commissions Act came into existence. Instead, we’ve done what we always do: We bury our heads in the sand while someone shoves a shotgun up our behinds then act outraged when someone pulls the trigger.

      • Vince Dunsworth

        “It is a very bad state of affairs when large segments of the population are afraid of the police.”

        Criminals SHOULD be afraid of the police! And yes, illegal aliens ARE criminals.

  • Merry

     The Arizona Law is fine as long as police have a just reason to pull over or stop people. If I get stopped while driving my vehicle for speeding or head light out, etc., I have to show my driver’s license. When I sign my kids up for school, I have to give their birth certificate and shot records. Should 3 generation American Citizens have to be subject to more than people that are here illegally?

    • miro

      Proving on the spot to a police officer that you are a citizen is much different from producing a driver’s license, which does not prove citizenship.

      Must we all carry birth certificates or passports on our persons?

      (Even a birth certificate is not enough proof for large segments of the wacko right, as we have seen over the last three years………..)

      The Right rails over government intrusion, but the threat of arbitrary arrest is far more threatening to more people.

      I refuse to visit Arizona because I have no desire to patronize these gun-nut, xenophobic fascists. This is all residue from the Civil War and the Confederate veterans who settled the state.

      Boycott Arizona.

      • Vince Dunsworth

        Actually, the AZ law specifically accepts a driver’s license as proof of legal residence, as long as the issuing state requires legal residence before issuing a license. Mayve you shoud read the law. I have, it’s fine.

  • MC-Man

    When the illegal Europeans showed up in 1492 wielding guns and violence the people who lived here had a right to defend themselves … so what’s the problem here?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      those were the days you can Hang Black people on trees and can kill American Indians like buffalos.

  • Dave

    Where was the outrage over immigration when Bush was in office?   Obama has done much more deportation that Bush/Cheney ever did.   Jan Brewer acts as if this issue began in Jan 2009.   It’s nothing more than politics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I don’t get those people who PROTECT THE ILLEGAL ALIENS COMING FROM THE BOARDER.

    Who do you want to protect Illegal Aliens that WERE TOURISTS AND HAD ALREADY BEEN SCREEN BY THE US GOVERNMENT BUT JUST OVER STAYED IN AMERICA?

    2. Or the Illegal Aliens who came across the boarder without any back ground checks?

    YOU TO CHOOSE WHICH ILLEGAL ALIENS YOU ARE PROTECTING.

    • mg/NE

       Historical issue is the border States were a part of Mexico. Many people were citizens before you were a thought

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        That was the past and they lost the war.
        if they want California back or New Mexico they can start another war.

        As for me Hispanics people are more racist than white people

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    If the Arizona law is upheld, everyone there will be an illegal until they prove otherwise – again and again, day after day. It will be a police state where everyone is a criminal until they can prove they aren’t.

    • Drew You Too

      And how is this any different than the environment that exists in the rest of the Country? I completely understand the profiling concerns but a problem will never solve itself if simply left to it’s own devices.

      One could argue that we’ve been living in a police state for over a decade now.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

        Agreed – but I think they should treat the cause  most people come here illegally – employers looking to hire illegals. People pound their fists over how these illegals are breaking the law – but then turn their heads when these employers do it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Remember people who went over the boarder cannot be trusted.

    If they didn’t follow the Due Process of the law those people are criminals. Stop protecting criminals.

    You should know better by now!!!!

  • Tncanoeguy

    April 14 Economist has a good article about the disconnect between the US and the rest of the Americas regarding drug policy, Cuba, and immigration.  It makes a good argument for decriminalization of drugs, normalizing relations, and immigration reform.  Of course it said that none of this will happen anytime soon because of US politics. 

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    I have no objection to anyone coming here who shares our values and wants to be productive.  We need to open the borders to such people.  But those who cross illegally don’t fit into that category.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I hate people think they now about Racial Profiling.

    If you are Black, Hispanic, Asian or of a person with color you are more likely to be stop by any cop in America even if the cop is colored.

  • Joanna Eldridge

    If the courts side with the law and let AZ impose their own, strict, immigration laws, what will happen if, in a few years, the economy is going great and states want to make the laws more liberal? If we have a shortage of labor, either unskilled or skilled, will states be able to allow more immigrants?  It quickly becomes unmanageable since the immigrants will be able to move to other states.

  • Shumba

    “immigration is not an issue for Latinos”
    “Latinos are upset with Obama for not following through on his promise about immigration reform”
    Two sentences apart, why listen to anything else this Republican ‘analyst’ says?

  • Tncanoeguy

    Blocking The Dream Act is hurting Republicans.  Allowing the children of illegals to have a way to become citizens is a reasonable thing and Republicans continue to oppose it at their peril.  For many of these kids/young adults the US is the only home they have ever known.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      TOO BAD for them.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    I’ve had to show my driver’s license and social security card at every job I’ve had.

  • Carlos B.

    We are focusing on the people that willingly cross the border without inspection for several reasons, and that’s ok. But how do we deal with the people that were brought here unwillingly or without knowing (people that were brought to the States as children), they may be more american than I am. How do we give them equal footing and make this nation greater? We know that in many citites, economically speaking, we depend on great scale on the immigrant market. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      They can apply at US Embassy LIKED ME and wait until they get called for an interview.

      They have to follow Immigration Law and pay fees and screening. America is not a free country that anyone can just go in and create criminal acts like not stealing someone’s Social Security#.

      etc etc.

  • http://www.americanfamiliesunited.org/ K.

    As so often is the case, the rights of US citizens with immigrant spouses is being overlooked. The long wait times and sometimes 5 year, 10 year, or lifetime bars to admissibility of non-US spouses directly affects US citizens. Imagine if your wife was not allowed to enter the US because she could not get a visa. This is a real problem that US citizens are suffering from; the US immigration code basically tells you: “Look, it’s your country or your spouse, you choose which one you want, because we’ll allow you only one or the other.”

  • Tncanoeguy

    Dude, the economy it getting better.  Romney is toast if things continue to improve on that front.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

      Mr. Plastic Romney is toast anyway.

    • U.S. Vet.

      “the economy is getting better”

      In China perhaps with all the American manufacturing jobs Obama has been sending over there.

      P.S. Obama is going to be toast when he is prosecuted as a war criminal for his illegal “kinetic” war in Libya which left more than 30,000 innocent Libyan civilians dead.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        ‘W’ and Cheney should be convicted of war crimes, FAR before Obama is charged!
           MANY others before!
        Do YOU think it will REALLY happen?

  • mg/NE

    ALEC EXPOSED

    Fremont Nebraska also passed unreasonable discrimination 

  • http://www.dogoodgauge.org The Do Good Gauge

    American’s need take to the truth away from the money’ed interest.  The truth of Supreme Court decisions is available to everyone.   Second hand interpretation is not required.   The Supreme Court provides audio recorded testimony of each docket dating back to 1955.   Many recordings are unavailable to the internet, though with persuasion reel to reel recordings could be converted to MP3 format.   The Oyez Project is a multi-media project devoted to archiving the activity of the United State’s Supreme Court.  The Oyez Project has captured audio recordings dating back to 1968.

    The Supreme Court oral arguments have been recorded in writing since the West v. Barnes decision in 1791.  The Do Good Gauge project is interested in developing a sport’s media based on Supreme Court case law.  The idea is to index and categorizes each Supreme Court Docket similar to the Oyez project.   To make all audio recordings available for public accessibility.   To provide a volunteer system similar to Librivox to record oral testimony prior to 1955.   The goal of such a Supreme Court media would provide the general public the tools to participate in reviewing past cases to determine the validity of our current and future justice decisions.   The goal is not intended to be political.  The goal is to provide the thrill of spectator sports using logic, reason, and historical evidence to analyse the outcome of civic mandate.   This Do Good Gauge proposal differs from the Oyez project in that it is intended to be a spectator sport.   The goal is allow citizens to participate instead of passively watch as spectators.

  • Rasta_mp

    Citizenship is not required to work in the US.  For short term aliens, one of a number of special visas is required.  For long term aliens, a residency card is required.  I would hazard a guess that a majority of aliens who are here legally through marriage are permanent residents and have not or do not care to attain citizenship.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      At least they are LEGAL with Legal Social Security Numbers.

      • Rasta_mp

        Actually, there are many many people working here in the US illegally who do have social security numbers.  They pay SS and tax, but will rarely see the SS monies they have contributed.  So, it is a bit errant when some people suggest that illegal immigrants are just taking form the system.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    If the Hispanic people has no Respect with Asians and called them Chinos!!!! yes there tons of Chinese or Asian illegal immigrant but these people don’t create crimes like Hispanics.

    Please you dial an 800 number there is an option in Spanich.

    What about other languages? Why the SPECIAL TREATMENT OF HISPANICS compared to Blacks or Asian people or other race

    • bellavida

      Create crimes?  How original we must be….we create crimes.   Also, I’ve never been treated “special” by anyone for my race…in fact I am classified under “Caucasion” in the US Census.  

    • Hidan

       Why do you paint all Hispanics people” having no respect for Asians”?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Why is Arizona bothering you?!!!!

    If you are Legally here in America why worry about being stop in Phoenix,Arizona or in Boston. As long the person is legal and a law abiding citizen Police will have no problem letting them go.

    I got no problems if the cops stops me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Facts: Remember you care about those criminal illegal aliens crossing the border but they don’t give a damn about you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wes-Nickerson/100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

    You call them “illegal immigrants” but they are really just people wanting to earn an honest living by getting a job in the US. Isn’t that the definition of a good citizen? Obama has deported over 1,000,000 undocumented immigrants, separating parents from their children in the process, far more damage in his 4 years in office than Bush did in his 8 years in office. Immigrants desperately need a simplified path to work visas and citizenship. Immigration needs to be decriminalized. Dr. Jill Stein, Green Party presidential candidate would decriminalize immigration. Both of the corporate sponsored political parties have declared war on the poor and on immigrants. it is time to end this madness and to support real solutions by supporting the party of the people, the Green Party.

    http://www.jillstein.org/statement_on_international_migrants_day

     

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Please they need to learn how to fall in line in their US embassy. Just like me and the other millions of LEGAL IMMIGRANT that went to apply for a visa and did legally.

      Why do you think a lot people are getting denied by the US Government because a lot of them are not qualified to be in America.

    • Vince Dunsworth

      Sorry Wes, but using fake ID is not earning an honest living. Neither is working under the table. Excessive immigration, legal and illegal, is part of the war against the middle class. It is also driving our population growth.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyTmClBU7nA&feature=related

      • Hidan

         My friend a Red Meat republican has his own business in landscaping who hates illegals since they take some of his business. He also says they don’t pay there fair share in taxes and cheat the government.

        The funny thing about it and I called him on it,is that  he uses some of his buddies to do the work,or  collage kids and pays them under the table,doesn’t report that he does or keep any insurances on them, he also doesn’t report the income he makes from the jobs when receiving cash or when doing big jobs ask or attempts to get smaller checks for them. He cheats every year on his taxes.

        His response was awesome ” I can cause i’m a American”

        I know another business friend of my father whose an Red Meat Republican that is totally against illegal immigration but seem to have no problem using them on his farm. Totally against any actions against the employers

        I know of another whose married an illegal who overstayed his visa(from India) Whole family are some Red Meat republicans totally against illegals immigration, all knew he overstayed and not only looked the other way but supported him until he finally got married to there daughter. The funny thing is I later found they themselves had some extended illegals in there family. 

        1st complain about illegal cheating the government and breaking the law while he does so himself.

        2nd complain about illegals but use them himself

        3rd A family totally against illegals and illegal being here. (the often repeated line is that they should wait like everyone else)yet housed and supported one that married there daughter and has some in there extended family.

        • LivedInsSouthWest

          So what’s your point Hidan? One data point represents all? Many lawful private business owners refused to hire illegals and pay them below min. wage and ended up closing the business, including a friend of ours in CO.  

    • Terry Tree Tree

      First thing from the Green Party, that I know that I disagree with.
         Now, I’ll have to look for more.

  • Roy-in-Boise

    Going to the best school you can makes sense to a point.  Local Community College offers those first two years of core requirements at very affordable rates of tuition and yet are over looked by many. How different is Eng Comp 101 at an Ivy compared to a CC? There is an old adage that if a student gets good grades at a CC they can go anywhere … save your money people for where it counts the most on ie; upper division and grad courses at one of those better schools. CC’s need to be looked at in a more serious light.

  • Brett

    It’s interesting that after some of these laws have been passed there has been a push back from the business communities. Who would have thought? [sarcasm]

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Businesses that hire illegal aliens don’t pay taxes and Employer for course also don’t pay taxes. while Legal Immingrant and American citizen are paying for the consequences.

      • Brett

        Sorry, I don’t speak moron. But, I will say that it is better now that you are having someone write your posts for you. You see, your lack of comprehension and your mentality have less to do with your limited grasp of the English language and more to do with your personality and intolerance of those who are different than you.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Hospitals are closing across the country due to the burden of illegal immigration, college students find that summer jobs have dried up due to illegal immigration, and wages across the board are depressed by the overwhelming influx of cheap and illegal labor by Elton Gallegly

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Illegal immigration costs taxpayers $45 billion a year in health care, education, and incarceration expenses by Ric Keller

    • Hidan

       Link?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Illegal immigration is not just a matter of interest in states along our border with Mexico. It is having an effect on local economies, schools, health care delivery, and public safety all across the country by Roger Wicker.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Illegal immigration is crisis for our country. It is an open door for drugs, criminals, and potential terrorists to enter our country. It is straining our economy, adding costs to our judicial, healthcare, and education systems
    by Timothy Murphy

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    As Congress continues to debate ways to address illegal immigration, we must remember the many hard-working legal immigrants that contribute so much to our nation’s economy and culture by Bob Filner.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    But my view is that you need a system at the border. You need some fencing but you need technology. You need boots on the ground. And then you need to have interior enforcement of our nation’s immigration laws inside the country. And that means dealing with the employers who still consistently hire illegal labor.

  • Joe

    FAX68 for President 2012.

    At least he’ll enforce the laws of the land, unlike the current squatter in the White House.

    Don’t worry that he’s not native born and not elligible to President, that no longer became an issue after the 2008 Presidential election.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I hate politics from the 7,000 of the Philippines and 50 States of United States of America. They’re all the same BS. promises here, promises there.

      I would rather continue with my peaceful life in Boston than continue to listen to politicians all over the world.

  • Dave Francis

     

    In a new Reuters / Ipsos opinion poll found
    about 70 percent of those surveyed favored state laws that let police check a
    person’s immigration status and make it a crime for an illegal immigrant to
    work in the United States; about 30 percent opposed such measures. WHAT MORE
    PROOF DOES THIS ADMINISTRATION WANT THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF
    THIS COSTLY TRAVESTY? This week the Supreme Court will hear Arizona vs. United
    States and if its policing statutes go against this small defenseless border
    state, the American voter must push, pursue and use the severe pressure of the
    vote to verbally intimidate every Republican, Democrat and Liberal to get the
    “THE LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT” in front of the House, before taxpayers suffer any
    more at the hands of corrupt politicians who have sold us into financial
    slavery.

     

    Repeating that special visas
    should be expedited for top professionals in Science, Engineering, and a whole
    range of high technology, given us the brain power for a futuristic U.S, but we
    must spend the money to check on females who are carrying an unborn infant,
    with new detection systems at entry ports, as 400.000  arrivals are ready to conceive annually and
    then apply for welfare.  Just calculate
    the uncompensated cost to hospitals that have to pay for these deliveries, that
    are then passed on to taxpayers? By the Congress just amending the Birthright Citizenship Act
    of 2011 (H.R.140) the country could discontinue this billion dollar soaking of
    individual states? Don’t know who to call in Washington, and then phone 202-224-3121
    the switchboard that
    will connect you with your Representative?  Every prudential contender would be
    well advised to read the immigration sullen statistics advanced by “The Heritage Foundation” Can we
    afford 2.5 Trillion dollars to legitimize the 20 million plus Illegal’s who
    have settled here? That is what the Heritage Foundation has forecasts. Not all
    Tea Partier’s have excellent grades from NumbersUSA that will halt the illegal alien occupation and the
    population growth.  

     

    NOVEMBER! It could be
    the rebirth of America, as the Tea Party, the PEOPLE’S PARTY, the
    Constitutional Party gains more seats in the Senate and House. A takeover!
    Hundreds of thousands of people, most probably millions, who have never shown
    any political interest before, have been made aware that the leftists are going
    to press non-citizens in registering to vote. Without any State Boards of
    Elections regulations being reevaluated, that shows a picture ID of the person
    voting, saying who they say they are, than the whole trust concept will be
    compromised? Already in Florida, Georgia and Colorado large numbers of non
    citizens and illegal immigrants have been revealed through television
    interviews. The U.S. senate
    candidate may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally in
    Minnesota’s Twin Cities. If there had been an honest election and incumbent Sen.
    Norm Coleman had won, there would never had been nearly a trillion dollars stimulus package.

    With so much at stake the Democrats have a demonstrated a record of
    signing up canvassers, who have less than reputable reputations that includes
    ACORN, justifiably being  prosecuted in
    eleven states for registering non-citizens in large numbers. The left have been
    crafting committees to overturn any chance of many states, insisting on the use
    of showing official ID.  Attorney General
    Eric Holder, ‘FAST AND FURIOUS PREDATOR’ has failed and shown great reluctance
    to prosecute groups, like the re-emergence of the Black Panthers to investigate
    intimidation and wrongdoing. Holder has also beneficial for the Democrats in
    using a strong arm to harass Arizona and freedom loving states, to stop the
    financial bleeding process of taxpayers, burdened perpetually for medical,
    schooling of unfunded court mandates. He is being shielded by the Obama Czars
    and even Obama himself, who are not apologetic. A TEA PARTY majority in the
    Senate and House can at least prosecute Eric Holder and his followers in his
    peer’s court.

     

     Most signatories to the European Union
    including France must possess some form of official Identification to vote.
    Before even Conservative President Nicolas Sarkozy could vote, he was seen in
    television broadcast of handing over to election supervisors an identification
    passport like document. France has had a national ID card for all citizens
    since the beginning of World War II in 1940. The majority of countries included
    in the European Union must carry some form of picture ID, except for the United
    Kingdom that relies on a Drivers License, other than foreign nations who must
    carry an ID card.

     

    It is unlikely that
    America will ever be issued a national ID card, but if it came about like in
    other nations, many of the issues that cause billions of dollars in court
    cases, congressional oversight and other situations governing this would be a
    thing of the past. And the communist founded ACLU couldn’t torture the American
    people no more, with their political correctness doctrine. Its well established
    fact by now that because racial profiling has been carefully administered
    successfully, that Mohamed Atta who was stopped by the police prior to 9/11
    would have been held in custody. This document should be issued to every legal
    population of our nation, free as in many other countries. What’s a few billion
    dollars when illegal aliens are stealing states blind, with a cost of over a $
    hundred billion annually?  An official
    would visibly serve the citizens to this country, to prove eligibility to vote,
    to drive a car, access to health care, to education and be the document for
    many other uses. Instead currently there is a marked increase of illegal aliens
    voting in state and local races.  The
    usual group of organizations screaming voter suppression in the State of South
    Carolina, as they enacted a voter ID law. So Governor Nicki Haley gave every
    voter the opportunity to arrive at the polling station. Out of 50 million
    people only 23 voters took the initiative, to be driven to the voting place to
    vote?

     

    Currently states with
    strict voter ID laws are Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania,
    Tennessee, and Wisconsin, South Carolina and Texas. Then states with less
    stringent voter ID laws are Alabama, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana,
    Michigan and South Dakota. States with poor voter ID laws are Alaska, Arizona,
    Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, North
    Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia, Washington. Then there 19
    states with no voter Identification laws at all, that could substantially
    change the direction of any election from the President, down to the elected
    administrators of cities and counties, specific in close races. The Sanctuary
    State of California is overwhelmed by illegal migrants and immigrants, who are
    treated to all the entitlements that the poorest of Americans receive.  In a Democratic run state house, the liberals
    seated there will never change the demands for a tougher set of regulations, so
    illegal aliens cannot vote and the same can be said for Senator Harry Reid’s
    Nevada. Blue state capitols are dead against any rules in elections, to stop
    either non citizen, who lean towards the left.

     

    Democrats have been caught with their ‘hand in the cookie jar’ so
    to speak, time and time again There is a terrible sense of foreboding when
    distasteful organizations as ACORN are concerned, or Democratic legislator run
    states who have conveniently ignored the need for picture ID, as simple as a
    states card or even a drivers license, that they are fully aware that a utility
    bill, internet, phone or television bill can be easily be forged or any
    document using a computer printer. External vulnerability is the absentee
    ballot, where under the law, county election officials must decide whether the
    signature on a request for an advance ballot matches the individual’s previous
    signature that could be on a voter registration form or another type of recognition.
    This is just asking for fraudulent returns regarding voting document.

     

    As an example a voter was in Andover, Minnesota resident who voted
    once in person using her own name and also completed a forged absentee ballot
    in an apparent variation of her daughter’s name. The daughter was away at
    college and also voted in her college precinct. Election officials detected the
    apparent duplicate vote and contacted the daughter who denied voting twice.
    Eventually, the mother was contacted and admitted that it was she who completed
    the absentee ballot in her daughter’s name. The woman was charged with three
    felonies, but was sentenced only to temporary probation and was ordered to
    repay the costs of her prosecution.  THERE STEALING PEOPLE’S IDENTIFICATION TO GET
    WORK AND IT ISN’T A FELONY?

     

    Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting
    cases in Florida than in any other state. 
    Florida is not exclusive as thousands of non-citizens are registered to
    vote in some states and tens if not hundreds of thousands in entirety may be
    present on the voter rolls nationwide. These numbers are major and from local
    elections which are often determined by only a handful of votes. Constant
    national elections have likely been within the margin of the number of
    non-citizens ille­gally registered to vote. One Naples, Florida voter admitted
    she was not a U.S. Citizen, nor a legal immigrant, but election records show
    she voted six times
    in the past eleven years. Voter fraud has ricochet in the last decade and when
    illegal aliens admit they have voted multiple times and not sitting in prison,
    something is seriously wrong with our election system? 

     

    Think about the undeniable reality that Democrats are essentially
    to blame, because they will not entertain any requirement for voter ID, perceptively
    full well that that non citizen voter could improve their chances of winning.
    That is why the only chance of having a fair election is through voting every
    potential Tea Party member candidate who will bring some resemblance of honesty
    back to this great nation.

     

    Democrats and the
    surrogate Liberals know they can claim millions of extra votes from non
    citizens, if they promise them welfare entitlements, food stamps, low income
    housing and other benefits. They can also introduce legislation if Obama gets a
    second term to shove passage of Comprehensive Immigration Reform, down taxpayer’s
    throats. THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP needs more members to SPONSOR “H.R. 2885, to be introduced as
    Chairman Smith’s ‘Legal Workforce Act’ instead of blocking its passage. E-Verify has
    become bipartisan as more Democrats are realizing that as federal law could
    mean placement to American workers and discharging foreign nationals.  The Obama Administration has issued a
    statement that it is getting E-Verify ready to introduce a big development, from
    the DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY (DHS) in Preparing the 50-states for
    Mandatory E-Verify Law. Republican House leaders are definitely being held
    accountable, for making it law sooner.
     

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Waiting for this Comment the entire day. Thanks

      They should also ask the millions of Legal Immigrants who waited for so long for their Visas.

      • Kossiankov

        I was waited  12 long years
        but never broke the law of he country where I dreamed to stay
        Why those people do everything against the law of the country where they want to be? Because they do not care about this country
        For them this is a earning plase and no more!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

          Well said, and WELCOME to the US. You are exactly the kind of immigrant we need. Not these aarogant, and often criminal, uneducated people who come there, ignore our laws, take our social welfare, and fly the frigging Mexican flag. Absolute disrespect. GO HOME NOW!

          • Anonymous

            How PC of you: patronizing and contemptuous.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Happy Earth Day by the way!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Intolerance wrapped in ignorance. What a diatribe.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        Jefe68 Please continue supporting those Illegal Aliens. Should I ask one of them to go to your house and hide or give him/her under the table jobs so you don’t have to pay taxes.

        • Anonymous

          I never said a word about supporting illegal immigrants. I’m only opposed to right wing zealotry, which the above comment is a very good example of. I’m also against your diatribes against people who are Latinos.
          You can be against illegal immigration without using language the way you do.
          You seem to have comprehension issues along with anger management problems.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        You want higher taxes. Please tell the illegal to pay taxes so we don’t have to spend $45 billions annually to support them.

        • Hidan

           Link? illegal pay taxes btw on everything they buy. Including filing taxes that many will never collect.

          • Brett

            Shhh! That’s one of the dirty little secrets. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

        Intolerance for an alien culture for sure. Let them stay at home, and apply to come here LEGALLY, or NOT AT ALL. I know that is too much to ask of PC robots. Sorry.

        • Anonymous

          You should deal with your comprehension issues before commenting. My views on intolerance has nothing to do with being PC.
          Since when was being tolerant and having respect of others PC?
          Also, I never said anywhere that I supported illegal immigration. You need to get a grip.

    • Bruce

      The GOP base now reflects the Tea Party—a collection of fear mongers, chauvinists and scapegoaters the likes of which we haven’t witnessed since the ascendancy of the rabid segregationists of the ‘60’s, who fought tooth-and-nail all federal efforts to secure equal rights for ethnic and racial minorities.
      Their push for draconian anti-immigrant laws like Arizona SB 1070 is reminiscent of another earlier version of the Tea Party–the Know-Nothings, who exploited ignorance and fear in the 19th century to oppose the entry of Irish and German Catholics into the U.S. claiming with the same hysterical voice we hear from today’s Reactionary Right that they threatened our social fabric as well as our economic & political systems.
      Interestingly, no one I heard on today’s show observed what one of the outcomes of Arizona’s law was:  Republican State Senate President Russell Pearce, author of the controversial law, was ousted in Nov. 2011.  He had the dubious distinction of being the first state legislator in Arizona history to be removed from office thru a recall election.  His loss may foretell the fate of the GOP in Nov. when the electorate will hopefully again punish a leader of the Republican’t Party for pandering to our worst instincts.

  • Cay

    Please look again at the connection between private prisons and strict laws that artificially pump up the prison population. Arizona is rife with these wonders and advice to “follow the money” will yield a clear connection.

  • Dan

    “Invasion of illegals”??  When shows like this allow dehumanizing and exaggerated rhetoric like this to go on the air, across the nation, without hesitation, it sends a disturbing message and lowers the level of discourse everywhere.

    • Dan

      This caller attributing traits of rural parts of Mexico to the whole country (we have PLENTY of parts of this country where a 25 year old and a 13 year old would live together without without raising an eyebrow in the community), and the previous caller talking about “white” and “dark” people, these are the direct result of this ugly and dehumanizing rhetoric. 

      I need to find a new radio station to listen to, I choose NPR over news/talk radio precisely to avoid this type of filth…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        In the Philippines the people don’t tolerate illegal immigrants. Because some of them might be terrorist from Indonesia or Malaysia.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I would call them Invasion By Criminals or Invasion of Unkown people from other countries.

      You really want to protect these criminals crossing the border?

      My opinion will different if those Illegal aliens over stayed for their Tourist Visa. (they already checked their criminal records)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

      What do you call 12 + MILLION illegals if not an invasion? Hitler did not have as many warm bodies when he invaded Russia. It is indeed an INVASION, just in slow motion. An alien culture, speaking an alien language arrives her, against our laws, then demands equal status and that we adopt their language and culture. NO THANKS!

      • Brett

        You win the Godwin’s Law award.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

          How trite is your comment. I know all about that line and the only comparison was in the number of BODIES. Nothing else, so smooth out your leftist feathers. PC run amock, again.

          • Brett

            “Leftist” this, “PC” that…talk about trite; you use those stale expressions in practically every other comment.

            NO, you didn’t simply use the comparison in the “number of bodies” to Hitler’s military invading Russia, you used INVADING, as in armed troops attacking a country. This is not a good comparison at all. 

            P.S.-You “know all about” the term ‘Godwin’s Law.’ We’re all quite impressed. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Why don’t we invite the entire world to cross the border from Mexico? I am tired of arguing about Illegal Aliens.

    if you want a better future for your kids and compete with Germany and Japan in education and technology that $45 billion expense for the illegal aliens can help a lot of American citizens and Legal Immigrants.

    if you don’t let us continue spending and fleecing the American tax payers money and support Illegal Aliens that crossed the border.

    • Hidan

       Feel free to link that 45 Billion. Also feel free to link the taxes the government gets from these illegals.

      • Kossiankov

        government gets nothing from this people
        all cash
        all back to mexico
        US is the Milk cow for them

        • Hidan

          So you say. Amazing enough business still use them. The U.S. government knows full well what would have to prices (esp Milk) if all the illegals were deported.

  • Deflep1986

    After reading the comments below, it seems the majority of responses are against illegal immigration.  I have no problem with hard working individuals who are looking to better themselves, but when your actions infringe on the rights and safety of others, you are on the wrong side of the law.  Simply put, they are called “Illegal Immigrants” because they are not legally allowed to be here.  All I ask is that they come over legally…. Why is that so hard?

  • Vince Dunsworth

    We gave a huge amnesty in 1986, we LEGALLY admit ~1 million, ~40% are from Mexico, yet the race card is played? Sure, the bulk of illegals are “latino”, that’s geography, not racism.

    If anything, the court should order Obama to strictly enforce the laws on the books, not obstruct them. Obama has refused to uphold his oath and should be removed.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

      I agree with you in general…but neither did your pal Bush, nor Clinton, not Bush 41. Why should Obama be replaced when all the others have failed us too?

      • Vince Dunsworth

        You think Bush is “my pal”? Sorry, but you are sadly mistaken! No, I don’t like Obama, but that doesn’t mean I like Bush.

        The problem is that the Dems want the Hispanic vote, and the Repubs want the Hispanic labor. NEITHER party cares about the American worker, and so far we only have 2 real parties to chooise from.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

          I have no idea if Bush is your pal or not…just a comment. I submit that we have only 1 party…presenting 2 faces. Both are bought and paid for by corporate money. Neither represents the electorate beyond the board room and Wall Street. All of Congress is little better than a paid for whore. In fact, whores are more honest because they make no pretense at who they are and what they want.

          • Vince Dunsworth

            Jason, I’ll drink to that!

            And equating politicians to whores is an insult to the whores. ;^)

  • Roy Mac

    Arizona says the Feds arent doing their jobs and, therefore, Arizona needs to do it for the Feds.  However, just because Arizona thinks they have an idea about how the job ought to done doesn’t mean the rest of the country should be tasked to pay their so-called expertise.  If Arizona is so smart, they can pay for their own damned fence.

  • Roy Mac

    How do callers like Ray get past your screeners?

  • rdw

    If the people who hire illegal immigrants were put in jail,  the hiring would stop pretty quickly and people would recognize there are no jobs to come to.  It is the illegal employers that should be punished,  not people who are just trying to go about their business. Every person that has been legally allowed into this country has an 8 X 10 piece of paper that says that.  There is no card that we carry.  The citizen papers specifically state that you may not copy them under penalty of law.  People generally frame it and put it on their wall.  So these people,  who are first generation get stopped,  and put in jail, on the way to the grocery store,  and they have to wait for immigration to say yes they are okay,  or ask that ever so pleasant officer to follow them home to look at their framed citizen paper. Or if you happen to be visiting one of these 4 states from another state,  then you are really screwed.  So much for land of the free,  civil rights,  and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    • Kossiankov

      I am became US sitizen 10 years ago I was waiting for this moment 12 years and proud to be an American
      My papers never was framed to the wall but I keep my US passport in my packet at all time and if police officer ask my ID
      I am proudly present it to him and I do not feel like my civil rights was taken from me
      Is you have nothing to hide ,showing your ID not a big deal
      I think every American should have it in the pocket

      • dimigrant

         Always loved morons like this who become more American than Americans once they receive their papers. Completely oblivious to the irony of screaming “get out of my country” with a heavy Eastern European accent, it is embarrassing to watch the spectacle. Embarrassing because I am an immigrant and I have some in my own family.

    • Brett

      Yes, and that is an example of guilty until proven innocent, something the neocons seem to prattle on and on about regarding the true strength of our judicial system. 

      Also, I am amazed at people who say things like one shouldn’t mind being targeted by police who doesn’t have anything to hide so why should anyone mind being stopped, questioned/profiled, as if it’s okay to have one’s civil rights violated in an effort to root out others who may be considered undesirable. What if body cavity searches during routine traffic stops were de rigueur in an effort to fight the proverbial drug wars? How many would say, “I don’t mind, I have nothing to hide”? I doubt that many blond-haired, blue-eyed people can even imagine such hassles considering they won’t be subjected to any of them.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

    Thanks for coming:  NOW GO HOME! By any means necessary.

    • go

      You call yourself an  American?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

        Yes, I am proud of American culture, not Mexican culture. I would ask the same of you??

        • Kossiankov

          Bravo!!! if you cross the border without papers you do not have any protection of the US law because you already broke it

        • Anonymous

          So you dislike Mexican culture as a basis of your outlook towards all Mexicans. Is this what you are saying?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

            I am saying what should be obvious. I have no problems with any culture…but respect American culture first, too bad you DO NOT.

            Leave Mexican culture in Mexico, leave Russian culture in Russia..and on and on. I do not need to Press 1 to speak English and I resent this pandering to Hispanics..or anyone else who comes here and DEMANDS the we adopt their language and culture as equal when it clearly is NOT. You silly leftists are blind to the dissoultion of your own culture, how dumb.

          • Anonymous

            Just what is American culture?

            I’m also not going to let you assume I don’t have respect for our culture, or should I say cultures. How dare you make assumptions about me or anyone else in this regard.
            You seem to think and act as if you are the be all and end all to the idea of being an American.

            By your comments you seem to be very confused about what it means to be an American and how our Euro-centric culture developed. Putting aside the culture of the Indians, which is as wide and diverse as the land they use to inhabit, ours is made up of the very immigrants and the culture you are against. Your nationalistic diatribes are very revealing.

            What is our culture? Is it Hollywood? Is it comic books?
            Is it Jazz and Blues, which are a truly American art form born from African, Latin and Western music forms. One might add that this is our only true American art form.

            You seem to be forgetting that people have the right to keep their cultural identities and often do. We celebrate Saint Paddy’s day, which is an Irish holiday. Some Irish are into speaking Gaelic, are you going to say to them that they can’t do that?I always thought the point of this nation was that it was a melting pot of people and ideas. You seem to take this a threat. By the way people were speaking Spanish in this country before it was one.

  • Roger Buffett

    Are those “Illegal” persons counted in the census for apportioning seats in the House of Representatives?  Which Senators from those states has actually promoted a bill which would give the border patrol the money it needs.  People always complain that the “Federal Government isn’t doing it’s job when the specific agency is badly underfunded. I’ve heard some candidates say they actually want to get rid of Homeland Security.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

    Mexico jails and deports its illegals, why does the US not have that same right? Because of leftist PC insanity, that is why. GO HOME

    • Brett

      “Mexico jails and deports its illegals, why does the US not have that same right?”

      The US does, and deportation is up during this administration…The issue isn’t whether or not we have a problem with illegal immigration, it’s how to handle the problem.

      The law before the high court, and others of its kind are considered draconian by some, Jason, that is the issue. 

      Some neocon politicians would like nothing better than if all gay people just simply disappeared. What if our country enacted laws that enabled police to target  anyone deemed to look gay? Being a gay man, one would think you could sort of see some remote connection there.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

        Save the lecture. The police targeted gays for decades…and centuries before that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/herny.barnes Herny Teoxon Barnes

    Presently America allows 1.2 million legal Immigrants into America a year. Thats more than all other countries combine. Illegal Immigration is unfair to legal Immigrants that follow the rule of law. Legal Immigrants typicall need to obtain bachelor degree in area that America needs it services, Pay immigration fees, go through medical and criminal checks prior to having a interview @ the US embassy from their country of orgin. After these Legal Immigrants some times wait years for the processing of all thes requirements. They arrive into America to find people working in America with fraudulent social security cards and Ids while the Obama administration does nothing to enforce our immigration laws in the work force.

    • js

       There are plenty of “illegal” immigrants who began the process the “right” and “legal” way, just as you described. However, one can do everything exactly how you are suppose to and end up here without legal status. People get stuck in a limbo due to inefficiencies in the system and through no fault of their own. That’s the problem. If people could come here the “right” way they would, the problem stems from our f*cked up quotas and priority date system. It splits up families and can even end up splitting the immigration status of families according to legal status.  I’ve seen a whole family get granted LPR status doing it the “legal way” while leaving only one child without the ability to adjust status because they aged out of their category. What do you think happens when this occurs? When your whole family is now in the U.S legally and you can’t be? But you’ve lived here since you were 5? You certainly aren’t going to leave your entire family and return to your home country. Especially when it would be next to impossible for you to come back because you overstayed your initial Visa because you were adjusting status the legal  way. This attempt to gain LPR status the “legal” way has now led you to overstay a visa. So if you leave you will be barred from returning and you will be separated from your family and return to a place you’ve never really known. Life is way more complicated than you make it, Herny. If it were only so simple than I’d say, you are right, do it the “right” way. Unfortunately, that system is f*cked.

      • Vince Dunsworth

        The system needs to be improved, but we NEED limits to immigration unless we want to become as overpopulated as China. See NumbersUSA.com and their “gumball” video for a full explanation.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        What percentage of illegals meet your listed conditions?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Enforcing our immigration laws in the workforce, has NOT been done, for MANY administrations!
         A LOT of this happens because the GREEDY rich, want MORE POWER, by being able to abuse, molest, and cheat illegals!
         These GREEDY rich buy politicians, and corrupt law enforcement, to get this power.  The GREEDY rich will use religion, laws, crime, and ANY means, to get MORE POWER, with which they try to compensate for their lack of humanity!

    • Anonymous

      Well I’m not sure where you are getting your stats from but the Obama administration has deported and arrested more illegals than Bush’s administration did. Enforcement is up, not down. Also due to the economy a lot of illegals have left. Get your facts straight.

      http://washingtonindependent.com/92481/immigration-is-down-enforcement-is-up-but-harsh-rhetoric-remains

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  • Slipstream

    I dont much care for Brewer or Arizona’s other politicians – I think they are putting on a show.  I support aspects of the Arizona law, such as requiring police who stop somebody for some reason to check the individual’s immigration status.  What is wrong with that?  It is not a license to hunt illegals.  However, requiring immigrants and visitors to always have their papers on them is going too far. 

    Unfortunately the whole thing is now before the most biased and wildly conservative Supreme Court I have seen in my lifetime.  But as one of the guests pointed out, support is waning for the provisions of the law.  It could end up being one of those rarely enforced things, and then Arizona’s politicians will try to score more points with more calls for harsh legislation.

  • JK

    To correct two errors of fact:
    1)Contrary to the claim that most of those in the country illegally overstayed their visas: demographers, scholars and the DHS have reached a consensus that about 40 percent of the illegal population is in this category. About 60 percent crossed the border illegally.
    2)Arizona law does not require employers to conduct a background check on new hires. What the law requires is that they check the applicant through the federal E-Verify system.

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