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Romney rules.  Obama says “social Darwinism.”  The U.S. will pay rebels in Syria.  Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Syrian youth stand in a building damaged by tank shells in a neighborhood of Damascus, Syria, after a raid by Syrian troops killed several rebels and civilians Thursday, April 5, 2012. (AP)

Syrian youth stand in a building damaged by tank shells in a neighborhood of Damascus, Syria, after a raid by Syrian troops killed several rebels and civilians Thursday, April 5, 2012. (AP)

Image of the week:  18-wheeler truck trailers dancing in the sky over Texas, tossed like nothing by tornadoes.  Mother Nature rules.

In GOP primaries, it was Mitt Romney’s week to roll, in Wisconsin, Maryland, District of Columbia.  And President Obama’s week to come out swinging, right at Romney.  Radical Republicans, he says.  Social Darwinism.

We’ve got a green light for strip search from the Supreme Court.  The Muslim brotherhood aiming for the presidency in Egypt.  Real steps toward intervention in Syria.

This hour, On Point:  our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

John Heilemann, national affairs editor at New York Magazine.

Clarissa Ward, foreign correspondent for CBS News.

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

Washington Post ”Mitt Romney took a sharper line of attack against President Obama on Wednesday, accusing the Democratic incumbent of waging a “hide-and-seek campaign” that disguises his intentions and offers no solutions for the country’s most intransigent economic problems.”

New York Magazine  ”Fear not, professional bloviators and amateur political obsessives. For if we will soon have ourselves a nominee, that nominee will soon need to secure himself a running mate. Yes, that’s right, glory be: The 2012 veepstakes are at hand!”

Clarissa Ward’s interview with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton  ”I wanted to begin by talking about former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan’s six-point plan. During the week since Bashar al-Assad claimed to accept the plan, there’s been no let-up in the violence, and I just wanted to ask you, at what point do we say that this plan has been a failure? What is the deadline?”

 

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  • Worried for the country(MA)

    It’s really too bad President Obama has given up on solving the nations problems and has decided the only way he can win re-election is by dividing the country.

    So much for “hope and change”.

    • Anonymous

      New flash – The country has been divided by the Republican party fanning the nation’s pain into flames of anger, hatred and racism.

      Government workers are all evil, the unemployed are all lazy and evil, Democrats are all Godless socialist, communist fascists… and are all lazy and evil too.

      What kind of childish nonsense and hypocrisy have we fallen into as a nation?

      • RolloMartins

        It isn’t just the GOP. When Obama allowed the Goldman Sachs of this world control over everything, when he signed the Defense Act, when he advocated for strip searches before the supreme court, and, Oh, yeah, when he gave corporate America the gift of ObamaCare, he lost me. He is image only, just like Romney. Can we not wake up to this reality?

        • Ben

          RolloMartins, um, you have been misled my friend. Obama has not allowed Goldman Sachs control over everything and did not advocate for strip searches before the Supreme Court. The Affordable Care Act is one of the best steps forward we’ve had in decades, if people wouldn’t be unreasonable in response to it just because they don’t understand it. I live in MA and no one could convince me that MassHealth hasn’t been good for our state. The ACA, if allowed to move forward, will make affordable health care services accessible to everyone. People are triggered by the word “mandate” but if you can’t afford insurance, you will get it for free or at a subsidized rate. No one will be financially impacted by the mandate. It will save us all money and expand access. 

          • TyrannyOfMajority

            Understand the Constitution and why we have one.

          • Anonymous

             Yeah… so you can understand why corporations are persons who are not restricted like… human citizens.

          • TyrannyOfMajority

            A) Debatable whether Corp as People Constitutional.

            B) If is (as group of people), how are they less restricted than the rest of us, who are free to assemble as we want?

        • ana

          You are misrepresenting.  Everything you say is not true.  No Goloman Sachs control, no advocating for strip searches.  Obamacare  while far from the answer. actually will put a limit on the growth of  private insurance.

    • ana

      The country has been increasingly divided since right wing media conjured up the “us vs them “  mentality proclaiming the right as victim of “liberal media”.  It has worked beautifully for them while leading to gross dysfunction enabled by misinformation and outright lies, most recently “death panels”,  “socialism” ,  Obama taking away gun rights, etc. 
      Obam has addressed more issues and tried to resolve more issues than any President in generations.
      You should worry more about citizens being misled.

    • BEEZ

      I disagree. I think he is frustrated in the GOP trying to do that. He has mentioned and attempted to address the structural and institutionalized inequities in our socitey that have created such a disparity in wealth, health, opportunities and life expectancy (among others), and has gotten no support from the GOP/right.
      Obama’s vision benefits the overwhelming majority of Americans, across cultural lines, so inherently his goasl are ones that unite the people.
      What I find amazing is the right, especially Tea Party, support politicians and policies that further the agendas they say they are against!

    • Victor Vito

      SOOOOOO tired.  Re-tread clap-trap.

  • JJJimmanyC

    Finally an election where both candidates are equal, in that they both truly stand for nothing but being the correct advertising image. And the farce goes on, and the farce goes on. Now you lamers can argue about which flavor of Goldman Sachs is least evil. And you believers can go vote and pretend you actually have a choice in things. Just make sure you never look behind the curtain and see that it is the same “guy” with his hand up both the dem and repub butts.

    • JustSayin

       Let’s see — A corporatist, or a fascist.  Choices, choices…

      • Chris

        They are Interchangeable. It is only a matter of which one they are promoting on a given day.

    • RolloMartins

      I likely won’t be voting for either. O’Bomney is not a choice. I will vote for AmericansElect candidate or write in Eliz. Warren’s name. We need a third way out of this mess. Don’t waste your vote on O’Bomney.

      • Chris B

        Waste your vote?  Assuming you remember back to 2000 I have two words for you: Ralph Nader.

        • Anonymous

          Still with this nonsense. More Florida Democrats voted for shrub than for Gore. Gore lost because he ran a lame campaign, not because of Nader.

      • Anonymous

        Consider Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein.

        http://www.voterocky.org/

        http://www.jillstein.org/

    • Anonymous

      Wow.
      So Osama bin Laden is alive?And GM is dead?

  • Gregg

    NBC has admitted to doctoring the audio of the Trayvon 911 call. It was really despicable and devious. ABC, after claiming their video did not show a wound to Zimmerman’s head, has now admitted it does. CNN claimed Zimmerman used a racial slur but now have confirmed he didn’t.

    Why is there a concerted effort by the media to inject race into a situation where there was none? And it worked on so many eager to believe the worst about their fellow man.

    • Ray in VT

      Many may have been eager to believe race played an issue because race still is an issue in our nation, and they may have been willing to believe the worst about their fellow man because man, along with a pretty decent record of good works and kindness, so frequently engages in such horrible behavior.  I want to like people, and I generally do, but man makes it hard sometimes.

      • Gregg

        If that’s the case then the last thing we need is a media throwing gas on the flames. Their behavior is hideous.

        • JustSayin

          Their behavior is profitable. That’s all that matters anymore. It’s creative yellow journalism looking for the most profitable spin.

          Truth and rationality don’t make money or garner respect in a nation so divided by social ideologies.

          • Ray in VT

            I agree.  Watch the 24 hour news networks.  There is so much sensationalism and amublance chasing that it’s unreal.  But accidents draw eyeballs, while deep, investigative stories that are informative but dense, generally don’t.  Covering the latest girl to go missing is cheap, easy and likely to get viewers to tune in.

          • Gregg

            Yea, but there doesn’t seem to be much news on black on black crime. Or black flash mobs beating whites. It’s bad. A black wearing a hoodie at night in a gated community is much much safer than a white guy wearing a bow tie in a black neighborhood at night.

          • aj

            I would have to agree with that.

          • BEEZ

            Were those flash mob attackers arrested?

          • Gregg

            No.

          • Patrik

            Not saying the news media doesn’t like to hype up “fast food” news, they do and it’s annoying, but some events are what they are and the media just reports it.

        • Ray in VT

          It can be at times, and I am rarely for feeding the flames of anything, unless it’s in my fireplace on a cold day.  I know that we’ll probably disagree on this, but I do think that this story would not have gone nearly so far if the police department had done a better job of handling the situation, it would seem from a procedural and a PR perspective.

          It is so easy for things to absolutely blow up in the online environment.  Could you imagine if this medium had been around during the Civil Rights Era?  If my kid walked down to the corner store and came back in a body bag then you could be sure that I would be raising as big a stink as I could, but some involved are publicity seekers in the extreme.  I can think of another word after publicity, but this is somewhat polite company, so I won’t use it.  I’m sure that you know the one to which I’m referring.

    • Patrik

      This issue of race, as Ray in VT stated, is a negative exertanlity of historical fatal, racially motivated acts by authorities and non-authorities.  He was explicitly told not to follow or engage Trayvon.  Why did he do it anyway?  He could have followed him to his residence and waited for authorities.  What motivated him to engage a teen who was unarmed?  He profiled him based on a prejudgement about his “kind” and thought he would be supercop.  The media is speaking to the profiling of group of people for, the most part, is racist.  The Stand your ground law enabled him. 

      • Gregg

        Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or
        he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around,
        looking about.

        Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

        Zimmerman: He looks black.
         
        As reported by NBC: This guy looks like he’s up to no good… he looks black.

        If you can’t condemn this then you are part of the problem.

        • Patrik

          Shorthand of “on drugs, walking around looking about”:  Up to no good. 

          Common thinking about people like Zimmerman, the local police is accomplice.

        • BEEZ

          Again Gregg why are you outraged about THAT? We know the media is going to sensationalize the issue. I mean come on.
          Why are you not outraged at the attempts to degrade his character, and bring up irrelevant things like him being suspended from school, having some weed “residue” in his bag or whatever….he could have shot 20 people the night before it still wouldn’t make an unarmed MARTIN anymore of a perieved threat to Zimmerman then, or make his ”defense” justified. 

          • Gregg

            It’s a bit beyond sensationalism. There’s a race war being manufactured. It’s serious.

        • Anonymous

          In common grammatical usage, elisions indicate that words or text were omitted.  It should always be a warning that the “quote” may not tell the whole story or the context of the words.  This is similar to Romney’s first ad quoting Obama as “if we talk about the economy we lose”, which did not indicate that words that totally changed the message were omitted. 

          I don’t condone either, but understand that I am being fed pablum or propaganda, whether it’s network news or campaign ads.  I also understand a lot of people aren’t so skeptical and actually believe what they hear from these type of sources.

          (OT:  the Flecktones must not be missed if you have the chance.  Not too many concerts where everyone steals the show)

    • Brett

      “NBC has admitted to doctoring the audio of the Trayvon 911 call.”

      They originally left out the question from the dispatcher asking Zimmerman the race of Trayvon Martin, so it sounds as though Zimmerman offers the “he’s Black” without prompting by the dispatcher. Interesting to use the word “doctoring,” but those aren’t your words; they are the words of media outlets reporting this story.

      “ABC, after claiming their video did not show a wound to Zimmerman’s head, has now admitted it does.”

      The first video they received (which doesn’t appear to show any wounds) was not digitally enhanced. The second video they received, which shows possible wounds, was digitally enhanced. The second video shows a possible thing that looks like a wound on the back of his head, but no broken nose is evident in either video. Again, the words “claim” and “admitted” are used by media outlets reporting this story. 

      “CNN claimed Zimmerman used a racial slur but now have confirmed he didn’t.”This time, from what I can tell, you used the word “claim” all on your own…anyway, this is a case of two experts disagreeing on the “evidence.” One says he said, “f**king coons,” while the other says he said, “f**king cold.”The media outlets you’ve mentioned may have ginned up the racial aspects of this story to give it more staying power, more controversy; they may have reported these things the way they did because they jumped the gun in an effort to get out the “story” first. We don’t know what their motives were, irrespective of your certainty. My point is that, essentially, you are doing the same thing that media outlets are doing. You don’t know what happened and what parts of the media reports are false, misrepresented, true, will be allowed in a court of law, etc. You also don’t know how these news outlets got their information, examined the information, and so on.In your comments on this matter there is never any mention that Zimmerman should be arrested. Your comments have all pertained to finding ways to slam the commentaters (at least the ones who appear to have a different view than yours) on this forum about rushing to judgement. Your comments also, as is the case with this one, make a point of criticizing the media. Both possible “observations” are obvious and don’t need to be said over and over by you. You also claim that racism should not be talked about any more, that it will only serve to promote racial conflict…which might be an illustration to my second point: you aren’t much of a thinking man, more of a reactive one who looks for ways to bolster his opinions and ideology.

      • Anonymous

        And there is still no information about whether the  head wounds were noted at the scene or only after he got out of the police car at the station. And has the “broken nose” been verified? These are items that need to be verified at a grand jury or trial (and probably not in the press). But if the police had not been so incompetent or biased, this would not have needed to be chased in the press.

      • BEEZ

        Why would he say it’s fkn cold? Sure it can get really freezing in Orlando, but when you’re adrenaline is pumping, you wouldn’t notice how oh so cold it is out in….Orlando
        Whether or not THIS was a concious racial incident, the larger issue is that it CONSTANTLY happens to young black (and brown) men with little or no consequences. Devaluation of life…that has a tremendous affect on the young men’s mental set and congitive schema, as well as the rest of society’s perception.
        I just don’t understand the point of people like Gregg…is it just a gun thing? How are you not more outraged about what happened, the murder of this young man, and more worried about these other things that pale in comparison.
        I think gun-right fanatics need to look back at WHY it’s on the constitution. It has no place in a “civilized” society.

      • Gregg

        First of all the audio was doctored. You know how it works, it takes a proactive effort to remove the byte and splice the remaining bytes together. I have not done anything approaching what the press did. I have not said Zimmerman was innocent or guilty only that he is not a racist. His life story and activism make it plain. The press manufactured it and injected it. The race baiters screamed it from the mountain tops and the bounty was issued. It was ignored by the DOJ. Now, if you are trying to say that maybe I’m wrong and Zimmerman is a racist then 2 things: 1)There is evidence that disputes he was motivated by race and the only evidence to the contrary is the color of Trayvon’s skin, and 2) What harm have I done by my dastardly educated guess that Zimmerman is not a racist?

        So, I deny the charge. This BS about bolstering my ideology is funny coming from the likes of you. You have to tell me what I think before you can disagree. It’s not effective. If you are not outraged at the sorry manipulation by the press and it’s subsequent success on the flocks then you are not a serious person. Your sleazy implication that I cannot form my own opinions is also funny. I don’t give do-goody smart ass jerks the power to offend me so I don’t care.

        • Brett

          The media doesn’t know what Zimmerman’s motives were and neither do you. You simply are playing a little politics of your own in your comments about this incident.

          P.S.-You are much more ideologically based in your words on this forum than mine have ever been or ever will be. Sorry, your claim, as claims go, is unsubstantiated. 

          • Gregg

            I am not saying and have never said what Zimmerman’s motives were. The press did; the race-baiters did; loads of people on this blog did. I’m saying what was the NOT the motive. It’s not the same argument. I have a hard time understanding why you don’t see that. It’s a pretty fundamental distinction. I suspect ideology.

          • Brett

            If you say that you know he is not a racist (which I don’t know, one way or the other) then you are saying you can speak to having knowledge of his state of mind. You don’t; you can’t/what drives his actions. Is that so hard for you to understand? 

          • Gregg

            There is evidence and testimony he isn’t a racist. There is no evidence he is. There is evidence the press manipulated opinion to inject a racial bias. You guys are the ones assigning motive I am not.

          • Brett

            Ah, so you are using the words “evidence” and “testimony” to describe certain media reports………..um, Gregg, Zimmerman’s father and brother giving statements about Zimmerman’s character to the media are neither “evidence” nor are they “testimony.” What is even more interesting is that you’ll take those media reports as facts (probably because they fit the narrative you desire about this story) but dismiss other media reports which may be contrary to what you want to believe. You wish to see those reports as deliberate attempts by the media to report falsehoods so as to “inject racial bias” into the situation. You’ve lost all credibility. BTW, I guess you don’t think Zimmerman should even be arrested? 

    • Anonymous

      If Zimmerman had stayed in his nice warm car with his nice warm gun he would not have gotten the boo-boo on his head.

      Oh, and Trayvon would still be alive.

      • Gregg

        … and the press would find another way to imply we are a racist nation.

        • Anonymous

          What do you mean “we”?

          • Patrik

            lawl

  • RolloMartins

    Rbt Reich was terrific on your previous show. He’s written a “Fable of the Century” that depicts our Romney world: 
    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/04/05-10

    • RolloMartins

      Reich probably should be president. Too bad he’s short. 

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Reich should stick to fiction.  That has always been his strength.

      I do find Reich likeable and somewhat endearing — unlike Krugman, who is just a creep.   However, he is almost always wrong and delusional about economics.

      • Chris

        And you are so right. 

      • Anonymous

        Examples? You will have a difficult time finding where Krugman was totally wrong; there are a couple times as where he did not initially expect the housing bubble, which he did predict, to be as devastating as it was because he had not studied the depth of the derivatives problem. But that is a relatively minor error in comparison to that by the VSPs who are advocating austerity in an economy up against the Zero Lower Bound (Liquidity Trap).

      • Anonymous

        What did either of them get wrong?  Or do you just want to hurl insults instead of talk facts?

  • aj

    Weak private sector jobs number. Unemployent rate drops 1 basis point, due to people dropping out of the workforce. 

    These numbers are a serious blip. No matter how the Chicago committee to re-elect trys to spin this.  But then again, I think this issue is to serious to turn it into partisan campaign banter.

    Grab your balls, the Nation is in deep shit.

    • aj

      10 basis points

    • Gregg

      Isn’t it something a tax hike on the rich along with a little investing in our infrastructure will fix?

      • aj

        I  Doubt it. FDR tried that in the thirties with modest success. The hard truth is, it took a World War to prime the pump.

        Not that I’m advocating that. 

        I read that polar bear link. Very interesting, thanks. But the greenhouse effect is to risky not to be taken seriously. I am sure you agree with that?  

        • Gregg

          Don’t sweat global warming.

          • aj

            Sweating will not be optional, my friend.

          • Anonymous

            But rebuilding the infrastructure from the devastation of hurricanes, floods, maybe tornadoes, will. And the costs of vast numbers emigrating from Texas and immigrants from Mexico and further south also will be disruptive.

      • Anonymous

        Increasing demand will go a long way toward fixing it.  Increasing the amount of money available for “investment” by the so-called job creators will do nothing. 

        • Gregg

          How was Bela’?

          • Anonymous

            Fantastic!  You need to go if you have the chance.

          • Gregg

            Thanks, I will.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Today’s new jobs number was terrible.

      Let’s see how the MSM reports the news.

      I’m not holding my breath for balance and honesty.

      • Anonymous

        The facts are that jobs numbers “didn’t meet economist expectations”, despite continued growth in their numbers better than any period since the 1990′s.  Looks like we need better economists more than we need new president.

        This spin of the facts goes right over many people’s heads, so don’t feel too bad.

  • Patrik

    News of the Week:  Paul Ryans plutocratic budget to reward those who, assuming, worked hard and succeeded financially and punishes those who works hard still and has not succeeded financially.  Romney may make his final mistake and put him on the ticket for VP. 

    • MarkVII88

       The sad truth is that putting Paul Ryan on his ticket as VP will probably allow Romney to raise even more money from the corporate interests that stand to benefit more from the Ryan budget plan.  In terms of the voters, I doubt that working-class Republicans, many of whom only seem to care about voting Obama out of office and reversing all his work will bother to read the fine print, thus allowing more of the rug to be pulled out from under them.  I’m sure they’ll get rewarded with plenty of tax breaks…(but not really).

    • notafeminista

      You can always hope.

  • Gregg
    • Brett

      Ah, so you’ve found an ultra-conservative newspaper in Canada that lines up with your beliefs that anthropogenic global climate change does not exist; that’s quite impressive! Golly, I guess you’ve blown all these stupid liberals on this forum out of the water!  

      • notafeminista

        Ya didn’t answer the question.

        • Anonymous

          For some reason I doubt you’re interested in the answer.

          • notafeminista

            You keep underestimating me.

      • Anonymous

        Actually the article did not deny global warming and was pointing to a particular phenomenon.
        What Gregg did here, and it’s his moniker, is to cherry pick or use a headline to be snide and condescending. He should watch and read more, start with Neil Degrasse Tyson.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kijVlez5R9w   

        • notafeminista

          “Isolate it, freeze it, polarize it.”

          Good job!

        • Gregg

          I love polar bears, glad to know they’re doing well.

        • Brett

          You’ve got that right! It’s as if he Googles for headlines/articles that appear to have his viewpoint and provides a link, usually he delivers some leading/rhetorical question at the beginning.

      • Gregg

        Polar bears are thriving, that’s all.

        • Anonymous

          Greggg thinks repeating the same disinformation over and over somehow increases it’s chance of being accurate.

    • Anonymous

      They are beginning to cross-breed with grizzlies or brown bears!

      And let’s wait for a full evaluation on this one study of one area where polar bears live. Even those few glaciers that are “growing” because climate change is putting more water in the atmosphere so more snow falls and those few glaciers are at the highest elevations where warming doesn’t change the amount of time of below freezing weather doesn’t mean that they won’t be affected with increased warming.

    • Anonymous

      Clueless about science, yet pretending to care about polar bears, Greggg posts incomplete, garbage information from a right-wing newspaper.

      Polar bears exist in a number of more or less discrete populations. For subgroups for which sufficient data exist, one population is increasing, three are stable, and eight are declining. All but two are at “moderate” to “very high” risk of future decline.

      http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html

      • Chris

        We can only hope that Gregg will be living in a very hot hot place with no AC. Then we’ll see how he loves his global warming denial buddies.

        • Gregg

          Polar bears and Caribou are thriving, that’s all.

          • Anonymous

            Greggg imitating a little kid who sticks fingers in ears and shouts “I can’t hear you! I can’t hear you!”

          • Anonymous

            Notice how Gregg does not take a single contradictory fact into account but just keeps mouthing his monotone falsehoods.

      • Anonymous

        Those who use your link to the polar bear data will see that the one area with a “growing” polar bear population is the one that is most “landlocked” and thus is not typical of the environments polar bears exist in. It only means that under the current climate trajectory, their fate probably will not be that much different from that of polar bears in the other regions, just delayed.

  • aj

    Bernanke is gonna piss on the dollar some more(liquidity trap).  While the tired, poor, and huddled masses cannot afford to buy food and gas; atleast all the Bourgeois’ with their 401K accounts will get an artificial bump, along with Goldman Sachs profits.

    Therefore increasing the massive gap between the haves and have nots. This will not end well, my opinion.

    • Anonymous

      As Paul Krugman advocates in his column today, the FED should be letting inflation increase to as much as 4% to speed up the recovery and shorten the pain being felt by the undeserving unemployed:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/opinion/krugman-not-enough-inflation.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

      • JonS

        No one serious about addressing this nation’s fiscal problems pays any attention to what Paul Krugman advocates. He long ago abandoned any pretense as a respected economist once he  began writing his column for the no longer respected NYT editorial pages.

        • Anonymous

          That is why those people not “addressing this nation’s fiscal problems” are called VSPs (Very Serious Persons). They do not understand macroeconomics. They want to follow the current British government (Cameron, Osborne, etc.) into a second recession instead of accelerating the current weak recovery. I could have pointed out how austerity is working in Spain, where spending cuts have increased unemployment, further reducing tax revenue and increasing the deficit.

          And you think this approach will work here? Why? Economics is economics everywhere.

        • Gregg

          He’s all they’ve got.

          • Anonymous

            Just one of several others, Ken Rogoff of Harvard, certainly not a Krugman acolyte, agrees with Krugman on letting inflation rise; see Sunday’s “Your Money” on CNN!

      • Chris

        Wages are falling. Not rising. We will not have runaway inflation. 

        Rising Prices are being driven by the price of oil and speculation. But they refuse to admit why oil is rising. Supply (the easy pump out of the ground oil is coming to an end). Couple this with resource depletion and you have a picture of the future.

        We are not going back to a growth model.

        A brave new world is coming.

        • Anonymous

          A new development is that Saudi Arabia, long the “moderator” of oil prices (increasing output to lower high prices, cutting output to push prices up) is losing that capability because their capacity is not much above what they have to pump to have an impact and their own use has increased to 3 million barrels a day. Thus the future is full of increasing prices and more volatility in those prices.

          Buy an electric car and use natural gas until an electric alternative comes along.

  • Anonymous

    Mitt Romney got a law degree and an MBA from Harvard. He was there 4 years. Obama was there for 3.

    Romney yesterday said Obama is out of touch because “he spent too much time at Harvard”.

    And Mitt wonders why people don’t like him.

    • Anonymous

      You got love Mitt Romney, he keeps putting his foot in his mouth. Does he really think this kind of rhetoric will work in the general election? He’s tacked so far to the right at this point it’s going to be interesting to see how he slithers back towards the center.

      • Ray in VT

        I think that Romney is a smart guy, but he just keeps putting his foot in his mouth.  He really keeps dropping the ball with some of his comments, like how he has some friends who own NASCAR teams.  There’s nothing wrong with having friends who own racing teams, but if you want to connect with the fans then it would probably be better to talk up the drivers, not the owners.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          That makes him a smart guy HOW?

      • Anonymous

        The perfect characterization of him is here:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/opinion/sunday/a-quantum-theory-of-mitt-romney.html?_r=2&src=me&ref=general

        It captures just about all the characteristics of Quantum Mechanics that differ from Newtonian Mechanics and finds them in Mitt Romney.

    • Chris

      It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Romney will create jobs, IN CHINA.

      Not that Obama is much better. But the Republicans have taken off the mask and now are just opening saying they don’t care about anyone but the elite.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      LOTS of people voted for ‘the decider’, that took fifteen minutes to decide he needed to be somewhere besides being read to, who made SO MANY verbal mistakes, that I think they STILL have new ones for calendars?

      • notafeminista

        He’s not president anymore. 

        • Anonymous

          Yet the the results of his lies, incompetence, and deplorable policies persist.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Syria needs a small and nimble UN force?  Uh huh–how about we send them a flock of unicorns as well.  The latter is no more improbable than the former.

    • Victor Vito

      Wouldn’t that be a “herd”?

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

         A poke?

        • http://onpoint.wbur.org/about-on-point/sam-gale-rosen Sam Gale Rosen

          A gambol?

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

             An imagination of unicorns.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    As usual, political wannabes SAY they have a better plan, but won’t tell the details, until THEY can put them into action?
       Afraid that the incumbent will use them, and PROVE they work, or PROVE they DON’T work?  OR, they REALLY DON’T have a real plan, and are bluffing with the future of the country?

    • Anonymous

      Remember Nixon’s “Secret Plan” for Vietnam?

  • Terry Tree Tree

    The head of the Roman Child-Molesting and Child-Abusing church was welcomed into Mexico, by the leaders of the EXTREMELY violent drug cartels?  What an endorsement?

  • JonS

    Jack Beatty-Axelrod:

    Another great week for Obama.  Intimidating the Supreme Court ; pathetic jobs report today ; budget gets shot down by Congress 414-0 yet demogogues Ryan’s effort at addressing this nation’s fiscal problems. Just a pathetic presidency. AHow will you spin this?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Jack Beatty just did.  He quotes Brooking Institute lies.

      The truth is we have no idea how the tax reform (it isn’t a cut) would effect the upper income because the details need to be worked out in the ways and means committee.

    • Hidan

       JonS-Ad nauseum

    • Chris

      There’s no way to spin it. Just as there was no way to spin the horrible presidency of Bush.

      Stop thinking either party is working for the people.

      They both work for the criminal elite.

    • Anonymous

      If you listened to the audio of the orals before the Court, the right-wing justices were mocking in tone and displaying either a disgusting ignorance of the economics of healthcare, showing their incompetence to judge the issue, or showing that they were going to put ideology above the Constitution.

      The “budget” that was voted down had been turned into a mockery by amendments that contorted into something that resembled nothing that either side could support. Would you really have wanted that passed?

      But by not describing what had happened you try to “make hay” with those that do not have the time or access to follow what had happened and look at and understand the real implications of that travesty of a bill.

      • William

        I would think it would be very difficult for any judge to not laugh at the stumbling performance for the administrations lawyer.

        • Anonymous

          Without a video of what was going on it is hard to know, but it sounded to me like Solicitor General Verrilli had “dry throat” from a head cold or something. But a Supreme Court Justice to use the political pejorative, “Democrat” to describe the 24 Democratic party governors in that environment is a display of partisan POLITICS that is probably one of the motivations for Obama speaking out to push back against the Supreme Court’s signaling of a possible outright political decision on PPACA. It would seem that the Republican Right Wing is full of itself with hubris and arrogance, which unfortunately for them might be enough to wake up the independents to how much they have to lose in electing any Republican, since they run as a parliamentary-style government where they almost always vote in lockstep.

          See The New Republic for a different take on Verrilli’s performance:

          In Defense of Don Verrilli: Why the Solicitor General Actually Did a Great Job Defending Obamacare 

  • Victor Vito

    Mitt Romney is a straight up B.S.er.  Let’s see if we elect him.

    • Chris

      It doesn’t matter. Both Romney and Obama work for the criminal elite, not the people.

      We will get the same policies, just different talk.

      • Anonymous

        As mentioned above, remember Ralph Nader. This country would have driven the Taliban out of Afghanistan and immediately worked to help the Afghan economy while not attacking Iraq.

        This country would not be saddled with the plutocratic oriented Justices Roberts and Alito, whose ideological decisions will ruin the middle class and the ability of the U.S. to compete in a increasingly competitive world.

  • Anonymous

    The Republicans don’t want to regulate Wall Street. They don’t want to reign in the oil speculators who have driven the price of gasoline up +30%. These speculators serve no purpose in commerce except to take money out of the pockets of every American directly or indirectly.

    Gas prices are killing the economic recovery. Why aren’t the GOP politicians being hammer for protecting these parasites?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      The GOP want the Keystone pipeline and additional oil production which brings DOWN gas prices in the long run.

      • Anonymous

        How
        so? If oil is a commodity sold on the open market, and therefore subject to all the whims and speculation of the open market, how can you make such a prediction? Why would a private publicly traded corporation, a multinational one at that, lower the price of a commodity such as oil for the US? Why? Right now demand in this country is lower than it has been a few years and we actually are exporting more of our own oil and petrol products than we are consuming. So given your premise, we should be experiencing lower prices now. Alas we are not. The other thing that I find so amusing about the right when they talk about oil production is that it can take up to ten years for a well to come in from time of exploration and so on. So how is going out and drilling now going to change anything in the next few years. It wont.

        As to the price, only if we nationalized the oil companies would the nation have control over the price at the pump.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Your assertions don’t bear out the historical record.

          When Bush opened up off-shore drilling leases in 2008 the price of crude dropped 16% within 10 days.

          Here is the dirty little secret.  The Saudi’s fear competition so they whenever the see the potential for competition – oil, gas to liquids, nat. gas vehicles, coal to liquids – they open up their reserves to put a chill on these investments.  They have publicly stated they will do this until oil gets down to $70/ barrel when these alternatives don’t work economically.
           

          • Terry Tree Tree

            ALL of the REAL costs considered?  The pollution?  The health-care costs?  Transportation costs?  ALL the middle-man mark-ups?  The damage to roads?
               You put up a wind-turbine, it can produce as soon as you connect it! 
               You THINK you’ve found oil, it takes a LONG time, and a LOT of expenses, to use it for energy!
               I have shown MANY of these expenses, and risks, many times before.
                Are you ignorant of the FULL process of getting energy from an oil well, or coal deposit?

          • Anonymous

            You have tried this one before and got shot down. Remember Lehman Brothers? All commodity prices dropped as the recession that had begun in December 2007 took hold with that shock. People had stopped driving as much leaving a world-wide glut. The “promise” of future oil had nothing to do with it.

            How many permits to explore in those regions opened by Bush have been filed? My guess is that the oil there would be to expensive to extract with even today’s prices so few or no permits have been requested.

        • Anonymous

          But it WILL DELAY the development of alternative energy (fuels) which will limit the prices of oil and profits of the oil companies in the future, when all the sources of fossil fuels will be expensive and therefore not competitive with renewables IF the development of renewables is accelerated NOW. That is why the Tea Party Republicans are cutting money for research in those areas.

      • Anonymous

        Correction:

        The GOP want the Keystone pipeline and additional oil production which brings DOWN gas prices in the long run has nothing to do with prices, but will profit the people who help keep them in office.

        http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-more-us-drilling-didnt-drop-gas-065231245.html

        “A statistical analysis of 36 years of monthly, inflation-adjustedgasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press shows no statistical correlation between how much oil comes out of U.S. wells and the price at the pump.”

        http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/03/01/435330/more-drilling-wont-lower-gas-prices/?mobile=nc

        “There are currently more oil rigs operating on U.S. lands and waters than in the rest of the world combined, production is at an eight-year high, and the most recent “Short-Term Energy Outlook” from the Energy Information Administration projects production to continue growing at leastthrough 2013 based on current activity. By the end of President Obama’s recently issued five-year drilling plan, fully 75 percent of our undiscovered, technically recoverable offshore reserves will be open to drilling. All that additional activity hasn’t stemmed the recent gas price spike.”

      • Anonymous

         Still… why are Republicans protecting speculators who are taxed at half the rate than the folks they are systematically picking the pockets of through market manipulation…. taxed at half the rate the the average Joe pays in taxes on the dollars that he spends to fill up his gas tank… They are still parasites and serve no purpose except to take from the 99.9% and collect for the 0.1%.

    • William

      The Obama administration has blocked oil development on off shore and government lands for 3 years. Obama, Salazar and Chu have all said they want much higher gas prices. The evidence is clear – The administration is working very hard to raise gas prices.

  • Pasqualecap

    I have turned to listening to more music on the radio these days.

    I usually enjoy NPR, but I can’t take another vacuous story about Mitt, Newt, Mitch and the rest of the CLOWNS, that front for the corrupt and rigged political system called DEMOCRACY in the USA.

    THE POLITICAL CAMPAIGN SPEECH IS BY FAR THE MOST INSULTING FORM OF HUMAN COMMUNICATION. 9 more months ?

    NPR has unfortunately turned to more sports, mindless political charade, and the shameless unbridled propaganda of the BBC, to mask their inability to present objective news.

    • Anonymous

      I think you see NPR as biased because you follow and accept the BASED ON IDEOLOGICAL FAITH arguments of the right-wing propaganda machine.

      • Pasqualecap

         Hello !!!   The “RIGHT WING” propaganda and “LEFT WING” propaganda in the USA is coming out of the SAME MACHINE. 

        This two-party system is a rigged charade, having people distracted by abortion and gay marriage issues, while the bankers are warmongers are fleacing them dry.  

        Left or right in the USA =TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN.

        • Anonymous

          Both of the issues you point to are used by the Right-Wing to engender fear among their base; the Left-Wing sees people in the country struggling to build decent lives and tries, sometimes not so effectively, to give the people space (freedom?) to effect a better life.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    The ‘terrible’ Ryan budget that Obama and the democrats demagogue is only a 4% cut in the $1.2T discretionary spending budget.  This is hardly radical.

    The truth is this is a moderate plan and that is why the democrats fear it and have to resort to lies and mis-truths.  Obama’s attack on his opponents solutions this week is beneath the office of the Presidency.

    • Mfcarr

      From Ezra Klein’s WaPo piece on Paul Ryan’s budget in the Washington Post:
       
      “In the end, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities estimates that
      62 percent of the cuts come from programs for low-income Americans and
      37 percent of the tax benefits go to the few Americans earning more than
      $1 million.

      In other words, Ryan’s budget fails even Ryan’s tests for
      encouraging social mobility: It focuses its cuts on programs for the
      poor rather than programs for seniors, and it doesn’t eliminate any tax
      loopholes. (Ryan’s office didn’t respond to requests for comment on this
      piece.)”

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/paul-ryan-betrays-his-own-views-on-income-inequality/2012/04/03/gIQAJCv2sS_blog.html

      Sounds kind of radical to me

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Lies and distortions.

        Ryan’s budget is revenue neutral.  It is a tax simplification scheme just like Simpson-Bowles.

        It is ‘possible’ to give massive tax cuts to the rich with his proposal but we won’t know that until the details are worked out in the ways and means committee.  

        The goal of the reform is simply the code of complexities and burdens to increase growth in the economy.

        Increasing economic growth is the only way out of this mess.

        • Mfcarr

           Link? 

    • Anonymous

      Wait a minute! The Ryan budget calls for some $4 trillion cuts in tax revenue by reducing the marginal tax rates, with the promise that it would be made revenue neutral by cutting tax expenditures (loopholes). He implies those removed loopholes will mostly affect the rich, but the two biggest loopholes are the tax treatment of dividends and capital gains, which he has ruled “off the table.”

      To find the cuts outside of Social Security, Medicare and Defense will cut the rest of the discretionary budget, which as NEVER SINCE 1950 been below 8% of GDP to about 0.8% of GDP. That looks like a 90% cut to me.

      It also means no Homeland Security, FAA, FCC, NRC (nuclear power), etc. Maybe a reduced FBI will limp along.

      Get REAL!!

      • William

        But the Ryan budget does not eliminate any major spending programs or government agencies. It gives a 2 percent growth rate to all government spending which is much too generous. This is a budget that Congress can work with unlike the Obama budget(s) that have been shot down 3 years in a row by both parties.

        • Anonymous

          And most of that 2% increase goes to defense and interest (actually it probably all goes to that and more, taken from the discretionary side). Ryan’s budget does not reduce the deficit nearly as much or as fast  as Obama’s. It is only the Republicans who WILL NOT work with Obama’s budget for political reasons, never mind the pain they inflict on the country.

  • TyrannyOfMajority

    “There is, in fact, no recognised principle by which the propriety or impropriety of government interference is customarily tested. People decide according to their personal references. Some, whenever they see any good to be done, or evil to be remedied, would willingly instigate the government to undertake the business; while others prefer to bear almost any amount of social evil, rather than add one to the departments of human interest amenable to governmental control. And men range themselves on one or the other side in any particular case, according to this general direction of their sentiments; or according to the degree of interest which they feel in the particular think which it proposed that the government should do, or according to the belief they entertain that the government would, or would not, do it in the manner they prefer; but very rarely on account of any opinion to which they consistently adhere, as to what things are fit to be done by a government. And it seems to me that in consequence of this absence of rule of principle, one side is at present as other wrong as the other; the interference of government is, with about equal frequency, improperly invoked and improperly condemned.

    The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle…. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant…..  These are good reasons for remonstrating with him, or reasoning with him, or persuading him, or entreating him, but not for compelling him, or visiting him with any evil in case he do otherwise.”

    John Stuart Mill  ”On Liberty”

  • Terry Tree Tree

    The position of Syria, reports of the types of weapons that they have, their millitary might, and several other facets that I have read about, make Syria a VERY DIFFICULT problem. 
       Our current interventions into Syria, and almost ANY others, have SO MANY possible ways to cause MORE problems for the innocent civillians?

    • Hidan

       It’s not the civilian deaths that concern the U.S.(See Yemen) it’s who they can install and control there. Outside the U.S. press it’s been point out multiple times arming the rebels would cause massive suffering and far more civilian deaths yet the U.S. pushes this.  Look at all the poor African immigrants and African Libyans that suffered in Libya while the U.S. promoted the TNC as something they clear were not.

    • Pasqualecap

      Hey… how about that Waco and Wounded Knee ???

      Where was Shrillery back then???   Selective concern… just like the Clintons who completely ignored Ruwanda while bombing Serbia and Iraq. 

      Political thugs, creeps. lackeys and hypocrits… all of them !!!

  • ThisIsLRDunn

    Santorum is a zealot. Zealots INSIST the world bend to their inner edicts. Thus, Santorum will not retreat. He would rather expire in a political career sense, cock sure of his own personal resurrection to fight-impose law according to the incessant god voice iendlessly drum beat whispering in his ear.

    • ThisIsLRDunn

      endlessly, not iendlessly.

    • Chris

      Don’t worry, Santorum will go down in flames in PA.

    • TyrannyOfMarjority

      Read John Stuart Mill. Modern day Democrats and Social/Economic engineers and the zealots, wanting to evade the Constitution to impart old fashioned Tyranny of the Majority to achieve Utopian ends.

  • Hidan

    SOS Clinton is one of the worst people to be advocating and supporting the Syrian people. Through I like to see Assad gone, arming the rebels by the U.S. is only going to kill far more civilians if anything Turkey should be the one at the lead.

    Saudi Arabia is another that shouldn’t be taking the lead since they openly ban protest themselves with the threat of death. It’s easy(much like libya) you can tell these reporters and journalist  spinning things. As noted all deaths of the rebels are therefore civilians but deaths of supporters of the Assad government are either under reported or not reported at all. It would be beyond dumb for Assad to listen to the U.S. and allow the rebels to be rearmed by the U.S.

    P.S.

    When the protesters started the U.S./Israel didn’t support them cause of the fear of islamist(rational in some sense) Than the U.S. ambassadors ran around the country looking for puppets for the U.S. , than encouraged the protestors to arm themselves and start taking towns, ones the connection to the new U.S. puppets were completed the U.S. advocating armed conflict.

    If peacekeeping forces should be in Syria than they should also be place in the West Bank and Golan Height.

  • TyrannyOfMarjority

    Calling reality, scarcity, supply, demand, consequences of action/choices, etc. “Social Darwinism” is supposition one of Utopian marxist and socialist dogma.

    Step 2 to is to assume totalitarian control, or at least majority tyranny, to enforce the magical antidote to those realities.

    Step 3 is failure to defeat entropy and reality, financial and moral bankruptcy, and revolution to take back the power from the failed despots.

    History and Utopianism 101.

    • Anonymous

      Oh please, stop with diatribe based semantics.

    • Anonymous

      LeatherDave, izdat chou? Expanded your vacuous rhetoric, i see.

    • Anonymous

      Obama DID NOT define “Social Darwinism” that way. He said that rewarding the rich for being rich and punishing the poor for not being rich was “Social Darwinism.”

  • JonS

    Tom Ashbrook: 

    John Heilemann sounds like a press spokesman for the Obama campaign. What a farce. Add Jack Beatty-Axelrod Plouffe and callers like “Mark” and what a waste of airtime.

  • TyrannyOfMarjority

    Nice smear Jack. Will there be no safety net for the truly needy if Ryan’s plan were enacted?

    Why do you conflate “cut” with “eliminate”?

    Reducing spending and levels of entitlement, is nowhere near eliminating them.

    • Anonymous

      Well when one of Ryan’s ilk uses terms such as cut, it does mean to reduce the amount, which for some would mean they would lose out. Hence eliminate is not so far off.

      • TyrannyOfMarjority

        Baloney, getting 75% of something is nothing like getting 0. And I seriously doubt it goes anywhere near that far.

        It’s very far off, and we would never let the truly needy starve in a ditch. Our current levels of entitlement spending are well beyond what is necessary to provide a last resort, for basic necessities.

        Socialist leaning types are just putting principle above our fiscal sustainability.

        • Anonymous

          The baloney is in your views and the way you parse them. One cannot argue with one such as yourself, it’s a waste of time.
          When I see people using language such as “socialist leaning types” it really says more about them and their ideology.
          If one is a socialist leaning type then does that make you a fascist leaning type?

          • TyrannyOfMarjority

            If one is a socialist leaning type then does that make you a fascist leaning type?”
            Are you really equating Liberty with Fascism?  You really need to read the Road to Serfdom, regardless of where you ultimately fall on the governance spectrum.

        • Anonymous

          Most of the time having enough money for only 75% of your mortgage payment when you cannot sell the house to get the money to buy a smaller one is effectively cutting something to nothing.

          • TyrannyOfMarjority

            Now we are entitled to mortgage payments?

          • Anonymous

            The comment was to show that someone who lost their job because of the economic downturn, which was not that person’s fault, should not lose a house due to the inability to pay the mortgage. And reducing unemployment by 25% might just do that.

            I suspect that you knew that, but just could not resist the snark.

        • Anonymous

          You don’t know what you are talking about.
          That’s for sure. Lets blame the needy, the disabled, and the elderly. Whom, if you took the time to look it up get the lions share of SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. A huge swath of people on disability really need it.
          Socialist my ass. People like you make me sick.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Wind is NOT close to standing on its own.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Oil isn’t standing on its own, after a hundred years!  Give wind a hundred years of subsidies and special ‘help’, and let’s see if it does better?
          You ignored the problems of the present energy technology?

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         Oil and wind aren’t really in the same market.

        Our dependence of imported oil from the Middle East is a national security and economic security risk.  No doubt.

        I’m not as concerned as you are with the environment risks of oil.

        However, I will applaud any energy alternative solution that comes in below $70/barrel equivalent.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Middle East threats to our solar, wind, and renewable energy?

        • Anonymous

          When the current and likely future cost of oil is ABOVE $100/barrel? That sounds like a nice handicapping scheme!

          General Electric says wind is now or will be by the end of the year competitive with new fossil fuels.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          YOU are paying over $130 per barrel for gasoline, $160 per barrel for diesel, $640 per barrel for motor oil, and MUCH MORE for other oil products! 
             I have been told of one epoxy , made from oil, one ounce, which brings over $1,000 per ounce.  More than an ounce is made from a barrel of oil?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Electric cars, charged by wind-turbines and solar panels?  WHY aren’t they in the same market?

          • Brandstad

            Green energy can’t compete with fossil fuels and requires increased costs directly to the consumer or as it is now a backdoor charge to the consumers through federal handouts.

          • Anonymous

            Haven’t you read the GE claim of wind competitiveness? And coal plants can burn renewables just as economically as coal and will do so more economically as the cost of coal goes up and that is happening now.

            The extraction fuels have been cheap because up to now extraction was cheap, but that is becoming less true with every day.

            Even the North Dakota oil, while possible only after technological developments, is still more expensive than normal drilling.

      • William

        Wind power is killing millions of birds, does not deliver reliable power at an affordable rate. Why keep wasting taxpayer funds on something that just won’t work?

        • Anonymous

          This is getting to be a tired falsehood that no longer hunts. When fossil fuels are still subsidized when that subsidy does not influence the price of fuel one CENT, and wind is in the middle of the transition from initial development to full scale implementation and needs basically loan guarantees to enable the installation of the wind turbines, the denial of this source which will soon be much cheaper than fossil fuels is ridiculous.

          Many studies have shown that the number of birds killed by domestic cats is larger than that of wind turbines; the numbers from collisions with windows, etc. is also larger. And by properly siting and painting the wind turbines, these numbers are further reduced.

  • TyrannyOfMarjority

    We know “big media” is a Democratic/Socialist/State Capitalism (which serves big media status quo) force, that will never honestly look at the issues we face.

    • Anonymous

      That is the only way your lies can get ANY traction with those that don’t have the time to go to the source of the issues.

      • TyrannyOfMajority

        You think the titans of Big Media are on the side of the little guy? And I mean all the ones supporting the Democratic Party, let alone Fox.

        The status quo needs to be composted, Ds and Rs alike.

        • Anonymous

          Do you have a plan for the way to do that other than to rail against Obama?

          • TyrannyOfMajority

            Yes, a political-economic model that doesn’t embrace too-big-to-fail, and does embrace a sound money fiscal policy to keep funny-money out of the hands of pandering politicians and the corporate cronies they bribe with it. 

            The power of discretionary rule and centralized manipulation of the economy is being used against us, if you haven’t noticed.  Liberty, Blind Rule of Law, and a sound, organic economy of the people, not discretionary rule by an elite we hope is doing the right thing for us, is the mature answer to the 99%/1% problem.

          • Anonymous

            So what are your procedures to force an orderly take-down of a bank which has put itself in a position where its credit rating is below none? How does it differ from Dodd-Frank?

            Monetary valuations are basically UNSTABLE under ANY policy, but a gold standard, or tying the currency to another country’s (see Argentina, the southern Eurozone periphery as examples — oh, but you probably don’t recognize the Eurozone problem as an intra-zone Balance of Payments problem, also know as a trade deficit problem: the German and French banks over-lent to PRIVATE companies in the peripheries) is almost guaranteed to run into trouble quickly in this environment. That is why REGULATION is needed to keep the excesses in check.

            Note that the Eurozone problem was caused entirely by the PRIVATE SECTOR; the unique problem of the Greece bankruptcy was the combined private (banks willing to lend based on false belief of bailout) and government overspending.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    I’ll paraphrase what the CBS news woman just said

    CBS news — We will do everything in our power to re-elect Obama.

    We saw media bias with the chairman of AP’s s sycophantic introduction of Obama this week.  How is there any chance for balanced reporting when the head of the organization and owner of many newspapers is so in the tank for Obama?

    • Anonymous

      Well they are free to endorse a presidential candidate if they so choose.
      Newspapers do it all the time or at least they use to.
      Fox has endorsed the right wing agenda for years, so what’s your point.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         Don’t conflate editorial pages with the news.

        AP is supposedly a straight news organization with no editorial content.

        The Chairman’s of AP introduction for Obama sounded like it was written by Axelrod — maybe it was.

    • ana

      Like there are no conservative media endorsing their candidates.  Boston Herald for one.  Fox news even hires them. 
      90% of talk radio is right wing and are hardly non biased.
      Hard to understand your point.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Fox?  The company owned by those that ‘tapped’ a victim girl’s phone?  Among many THOUSANDs others?
            BOTH Murdochs are either criminally involved, or so INEPT that they couldn’t run a lemonade stand?
            Since they have made fortunes off sleasy ‘news’, and other slime mixed in with their news, I can’t see them claiming to be inept?

    • William

      These “journalists” are not really up to the standards that built up CBS years ago. They are just political hacks trying to gain favor with the administration. Maybe they will get a signed photo of Obama.

    • Anonymous

      And next week or so they will have Mr. Romney and give him just as effusive a greeting. It is RITUAL!

      But the Hard Right is so desperate to paint the tar on the President, they just can’t accept that Obama is THE President.

  • Chris

    Now the topic of tornados. 

    Care to chime in Gregg about no signs of global warming?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       NOAA made NO mention of global warming in their report on the tornadoes?  Do you know something the experts don’t?

      http://www.spc.noaa.gov/wcm/2012/20120403-summary.pdf

      • Chris

        Ha ha ha ha. Keep shilling. The earth will laugh last.

        • Anonymous

          You are not using reason and sound very foolish. Saying things like the earth will have the laugh last is not doing anything for anyone. Nor does it forward your point of view.

          • Chris

            Last year was the most expensive year in history for natural disasters.

            They are going to increase in nature due to the warming of the earth.

            Keep you head in the sand maybe you wan’t get blown or flooded away.

          • Anonymous

            How do you know that. By what criteria are you basing that on. I believe in climate change, you sir are using hyperbole and that’s not helping your arguments on but.

    • Anonymous

      Tornadoes are the result of local weather patterns and conditions. That said, it’s a bit early to tell if the recent increase in these storms is a result of climate change on the global scale. One thing is for sure, they are increasing and they seem to be getting larger.
       

      • Anonymous

        About six months or so ago, I read where climate scientists were 50/50 as to whether tornadoes would be increased or not by climate change. There are two major drivers that climate change affects:

        1)  The warmth and water content of the warm air mass that interacts with a colder air mass (often from the Rockies), both of which are being increased by climate change and which will enable more severe tornadoes.

        2)  The upper air (jet) stream which creates the vortices when it crosses the two colliding air masses. Climate scientists have some evidence that climate change might decrease the strength of that generating wind stream, but that evidence is not that strong.

        From the number and widening area that tornadoes are occurring in over the last two years, IF this trend continues then the wind stream hypothesis is unlikely to be true and tornadoes will continue to increase. Otherwise, maybe the warmer and wetter air masses are just being generated sooner and the wind strength decline is coming and the number and strength of tornadoes will hold constant or decline. Right now the evidence is uncertain, although what little there is points toward a bigger tornado threat.

  • Paul Meade

    Thanks for speaking to the ongoing situation in Syria.

    As usual the UN and international community is proposing a band-aid to a
    situation when major surgery is required. Ousting Asad without gutting his
    military machine will do nothing. He really is just a figurehead to a military
    regime dominated by the  Alawite
    sect of Shia Islam.

    This is just as complex a situation as what we confronted in our ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I really don’t know what the solution is and hope the rest of the Muslim world steps up the the plate.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Wind Turbines, Solar Panels, and other renewable sources of energy PRODUCE, when installed! 
        Oil, coal, gas, and nuclear have SO MANY expenses, and transportations involved, BEFORE you can utilize them!
        Pollution potentials for renewables are infitismal, compared to oil, coal, nuclear, and gas!
        Earthquakes in oil and gas producing areas?
        Oil, coal, gas, and nuclear have had subsidies for a hundred years?   They can’t stand on their own yet? 
        Without all those subsidies and other give-aways, would you still consider oil, coal, gas, and nuclear cheaper?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Sorry Terry but wind doesn’t work unless you have an affordable storage technology.  The economics just don’t make sense.

      • Edith

        Lots of people use wind generated electricity.  Germany is investing big in this technology.  I think it’s silly to say, ‘oh that just doesn’t work’ when there are plenty of places where it does.  I have seen it. 

        • Ray in VT

          I think that it works better in some places than in others, and the problem of storage and variability is an issue, so I don’t think that it is reliable for baseload power, but I do think that it definitely has uses and applications.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            I used to be more bullish on wind and I agree that it makes more sense in some areas.

            We have a real world example with Cape Wind because the recently signed  contracts with the power companies.  The contract calls for costs at 3x market rates.  MA rates are already close to the highest in the country.  The rate payers will have to pay an additional $4B over the life of the contract.

            This is for off shore wind power which is supposedly more efficient because the winds are steadier.

            I’m more bullish on solar because there is more opportunity for breakthroughs and there is a natural synergy for solar production and peak load.  Solar will always have problems with base load until an affordable storage technology is developed.
             

          • Anonymous

            NOBODY (!) is saying that wind should be the ONLY source of energy! But when there are wind turbines are spread over a reasonable region, there is usually wind in a large enough area of that region to provide a good part of the energy needed by the area. But it does require an adequate electric grid.

            Solar, concentrated or PV is being built today and works well. Concentrated solar usually has a natural gas heating unit that stands in for the solar heat when the sun is not available and thus does work as base load power.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Germany had 29,000 ACTIVE wind-turbines last year! 
              I guess that proves it doesn’t work?

  • Hidan
  • joe

    Regarding the Ryan budget are there cuts in programs from current level spending or cuts in future increases?  To me a cut would be a reduction in the current level.

    • Anonymous

      Ryan has identified changes in Medicare (vouchers limited to 5% of GDP?) and elimination of Medicaid (block grants to the states who would be more and more underfunded as time passed). But holding the funding constant in money terms does not account for population growth or inflation, so it really IS A CUT.

      Ryan refuses (probably correctly in this partisan environment, but the same leeway should be applied to Obama’s budget, which he won’t do) to identify a single tax expenditure that would contribute to the total loophole removal he needs to make his “generous” (to the rich) tax marginal rate reductions “revenue neutral.” And the two expenditures that most affect the rich, capital gains and dividend taxation, are “off the table.”

  • Chris

    All 3 branches are corrupt.

    Let the “critiquing” begin.

  • Anonymous

    Obama refused to support Simpson Bowles commission…Obama could have had a grand bargain with speaker Boehner and he backed out…Ryan’s budget does not touch Medicare or Social Security for any one under the age of 50…please report that only 51% of citzens pay Federal income taxes…please do some honest reporting instead of carrying the water for Democrats

    • Chris

      Wake up.

      Ryan’s budget cuts taxes on the rich by 4.2 TRILLION dollars.

      Who has the money in this country? The rich.

      TAX THE RICH OR SHUT UP ABOUT THE 15 TRILLION DOLLAR DEPT THEY RAN UP!

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        There is no way to back up your false claims.

        • Chris

          What’s false? The rich have all the money?

          • Worried for the country(MA)

             The Ryan tax proposal is revenue neutral so therefore by your logic it is neutral on the rich.

          • Chris

            Funny. ‘Dat you.

            The Ryan tax proposal raises taxes on the middle class and the poor.

            While cutting them on the rich.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

             Evidence please?

            You can’t provide any evidence to your assertions because they don’t exist.

            Until we see the details  out of the House ways and means there is no way of knowing.  In fact, they could design the reform to increase the burden on the rich.

          • Chris

            Uh, it’s up on the budget committee’s website. (And Ryan also  wrote a 99 page manifesto on his proposals.) Go look.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

             Yup I read it.  So what’s your point?

          • Chris

            My pointis Ryan’s Budget decimatesthe middle class and the poorwhile making teh rich richer.

          • Anonymous

            They “COULD” but the two ways to increase taxes on the rich after reducing the marginal rates are to change the treatment of  dividends and capital gains, which Ryan has ruled “off the table.” Without big changes, the rich get rewarded for creating the financial crisis that has decimated the economy of this country. Real fair!

      • Anonymous

        Look at Europe…Socialist Democracy does not work…I’m 48 years old and realize the SS and Medicare are not going to be the same as what my mother gets…you can not grow the economy by collecting taxes and redistributing it…your side is winning…the Federal government has grown 2.8 trillion to 3.5 trillion and by the way we only 2.3 trillion simple math it does not work…we better start dealing we these facts pretty quickly or the only people who won’t have problems are the rich…the Senate has not come up with a budget in over 3 years…the democratic house did not produce a budget in 2008 and 2009 that is immoral…very tough decisions need to be made Simpson Bowles does this yet Obama won’t support the very commission he asked for…Term Limits is the answer politicians who only worry about getting reelected will never make tough decisions.

        In a message dated 4/6/2012 10:48:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, writes:

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        Chris (unregistered) wrote, in response to nprmsnbc:
        Wake up.

        Ryan’s budget cuts taxes on the rich by 4.2 TRILLION dollars.

        Who has the money in this country? The rich.

        TAX THE RICH OR SHUT UP ABOUT THE 15 TRILLION DOLLAR DEPT THEY RAN UP!

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        • Anonymous

          SS and Medicare will not be what exists now ONLY if Ryan’s budget approach gets implemented! And if Obama had immediately praised S-B, it would have been dead in the water as far as Republicans were concerned. It had much too much Defense cutting and revenue raising for their taste and, thankfully, Obama realized that supporting it unconditionally would be a trap.

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    • Worried for the country(MA)

      When Obama abandoned  Simpson-Bowles he essentially lost his chance for re-election.  He realizes this now and that is why he is desperate and is acting in bizarre ways like attacking Paul Ryan and the SCOTUS.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t you wish! Obama avoided the trap of moving the negotiating window further to the right which would have pushed the country even more toward the plutocracy the Republicans are aiming to make it.

  • Hidan

    President Obama is dumb for tying to follow/use the republican tactics, since this will codify such disgusting tactics and when Republicans of course push it even further and democrats complain the media can claim both sides due it further degrading the debate. 

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Authorized strip-search for ANYTHING? ESPECIALLY wrongful arrest?

  • Anonymous

    When do you  Oberlman as a cohost?

  • Hidan

    Has Obama complain about the S.C. ruling on the stripe search? Wait till the SC starts legalizing Torture of American citizens, using drug dealers,gang members as the boogeyman. Safety first civil rights 2nd.

  • Anonymous

    NPR = MSNBC

    • TyrannyOfMarjority

      Socialist-leaning, Tyranny of the Majority-embracing despots are consolidating and lining up to try and seize despotic power this fall. One doesn’t have to like Romney or establishment Republicans to recognize this.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah and next the great socialist mob will be coming for you… bruhhahaha….

        They are behind every bush, in the trees in those black helicopters that are flying over you right now.
        In fact the tyrannical socialist despots are monitoring your internet keyboard clicks right now.
        Soon they will be coming for you!

        • TyrannyOfMarjority

          Whatever. The fact is that we as a society have become corrupted and lazy with our relative wealth, comfort and sense of entitlement, and from that false sense of security, we have succumbed to the luxury of thinking we are above and beyond the historical challenges of governance and economics, and no longer live in a world of scarcity, or under the threat of losing our freedom.

          This moment of being so spoiled is a historical blink of the eye, and to think we are immune from the age old challenges of liberty vs. despotism, is immature and Utopian. We fortunately to have socially evolved with conscious, rational debate and experimentation and adherence to informed principle, to a state of liberty and relative prosperity. If our sense plenty and of entitlement has now blinded us to the need to stick to the principles that got us here, we will surely suffer the consequences of such folly again.

          • Anonymous

            Pretty extremist stuff herr Tyranny.

      • ana

        The work “socialist” is thrown around on this site like  rice at a wedding.   “embracing despots”!!  ‘seize despotic power?”  Your hyperbole is absurd.
          

        • TyrannyOfMajority

          How does tyranny arise?

    • ana

      Hardly.   Please reference your comment.   

  • Kobi

    President Obama was clearly making a political statement trying to simultaneously recapture the certainty that existed before the Supreme Court hearings that the Affordable Care Act  would be upheld, and force the Republicans to contradict themselves once again. After taking a beating by the tea party for three years, he finally managed to get the Republicans to oppose a tax cut, which marked the turnaround in his approval ratings. Republicans are really good at contradicting themselves though, they are both the party of pragmatism and ideology, and I think Obama was riding the high of his new found confidence a little too hard. If the Supreme Court does strike down Obamacare, Obama was primarily concerned with making sure that liberals are motivated to hit the streets instead of turning on Obama for giving up so much political capital for nothing.

  • Chris

    Impeach. Impeach. Impeach. The corrupt court. The police state court. The corporate whore court.

  • TyrannyOfMarjority

    The amazingly deceptive tactic of calling adhering to the Constitution, in terms of limiting governments ability to compel citizens to buy something, “Activist” is stunning, and disgusting.

    It is the whole PURPOSE of a Constitution and Supreme Court.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Interesting discussion with Jack and Tom on Mormonism.

    Did they ask the same question about Rev. Wright and his anti-Americanism affected Obama’s core?

    • Anonymous

      Also interesting is that Harry Reid is a Mormon. I don’t recall seeing any MSNBC news stories expressing concern about Harry Reid’s religion.

      • Ray in VT

        I don’t think that one’s religion is generally a big deal, unless one is using it to promote some really extreme stuff, then I get concerned.  I don’t really care about the faith of people running for office.  The difference between Reid and Romney might be a difference in the magnitude of the microscope when one runs for the highest office in the land.  I think that it also gets a lot of attention because of the numbers of evangelical Christians who are skeptical about the LDS.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC did a disgusting segment trashing the legitimacy of Mormonism as a ‘made up religion’.

          I don’t think Larry is an Evangelical.

          • Ray in VT

            I’m not going to defend that sort of rhetoric.  In a sense all religions are made up religions, which is my stance as a non-believer, but one need not deride the religious beliefs of others.

            Mormonism has some, from my perspective, strange tenants, but it is a faith that is believed in by millions of people.  It’s not like it’s Scientology, which I think is totally crazy.

          • TyrannyOfMarjority

            Again, Mill says it best:

            “The likings and dislikings of society, or of some powerful portion of it, are this the main thing which has practically determined the rules laid down for general observance, under the penalties of law or popinoin. And in general, those who have been in advance of society in thought and feeling have left this condition of things unassiailed in principle, however they may have come into conflict with it in some of its details. They have occupied themselves rather in inquiring what things society ought to like or dislike, than in questioning whether its likings or dislikings should be a law to individuals.. they preferred endeavoring to alter the feelings of mankind on the particular points on which they were themselves heretical, rather than make common cause in defense of freedom, with heretics generally.

            The only case in which the higher ground has been taken on principle and maintained with consistency, by any but an individual here and there, is that of religious belief: a case instructive in many ways, and not least so as forming a most striking instance of the fallibility of what is called the moral sense: for the odium theoligicum, in a sincere bigot, is on of the most unequivocal cases of moral feeling”

            As an atheist, I concur.

          • Anonymous

            Well all religions are made up.

    • Anonymous

      For an African American to have the views that Rev. Wright has nothing to do with anything. Also in this country people have the right to have views, even if they are not in congress with your own, and to have them without being called ant-American. If anything you’re more of an anti-American than you think.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         I was simply pointing to the double standard of so -called journalists.

        • Anonymous

          You were really just trying to throw a red herring into the discussion of Mormonism and its influence on the election.

    • john w. rippetoe jr.

      Reverend Wright is not an elected official and he was speaking against the injustice that Americans embraced or tolerated for about 200 years too long when it came to racial and ethnic inequality. So back to your unerring scale of who’s more american, how is it that Mitch McConnell gets away with chortling endlessly like some rooster that his primary duty as an elected official of the US Government is to make sure that our elected president doesn’t get re-elected (or, “bring Obama down no matter what it costs the country”) without being indicted for treason, and then tell me how that’s the type of patriotism I’m supposed to have any sympathy for. It’s difficult to try to see things from your perspective when the first requirement is to don blinders and let you pick out for me what’s “american” and what isn’t. Your “american” looks awfully white, fat, rich, and worried to death they’re not going to get their way given what they had to pay to try to have it that way. (PS. I thought the verse they were discussing was out of the book of Mormon. What’s wrong with calling a Mormon a Mormon, or me an idiot? And to answer your question, yes! I remember vividly everyone south of the Mason Dixon going on endlessly about the Reverend Wright, over and over and over and then replayed again that night on Fox for weeks …. How it tore at the base of our Democracy. Please.)

  • notafeminista
  • Worried for the country(MA)

     Obama making fun of Romney using the word ‘marvelous’ was bizarre.

    Then there were at least 3 clips of Obama using marvelous, including describing MLK’s sermons.

    • Ray in VT

      I think that it’s an easier case to make for MLK’s speeches being marvelous than Mr. Ryan’s budget.  That was the context of Mr. Romney’s use of the word, correct?

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         Did you see Obama’s critique of Romney?

        It was really strange. He made the claim that no one uses the word – marvelous. 

        Since the DNC released a ‘mahvelous’  Billy Crystal ad the same day, this was simply a coordinated attack on Romney.

        Obama’s three uses of marvelous were found by a politico reporter:

        By DYLAN BYERS |

        4/3/12 1:59 PM EDT

        “Marvelous… is a word you don’t often hear about budgets,” he said. “That’s a word you don’t often hear generally.”

        Except:

        “I think [Michelle Obama] is somebody who they can identify with
        because she’s had to balance a lot of different issues. So she’s doing a
        marvelous job. I’m very, very proud of her.” – President Obama, July 5, 2009.

        “Indeed, our marvelous surroundings today, just steps from where
        Chile lost its democracy decades ago, is a testament to Chile’s progress
        and its undying democratic spirit.” - President Obama, March 21, 2011.

        “It is right for us to celebrate Dr. King’s marvelous oratory, but it
        is worth remembering that progress did not come from words alone.” –
        President Obama, October 16, 2011.

    • Doubter

      The President’s reference was to Mitt’s description of the Ryan budget as ‘marvelous.’  Maybe the Prez was categorizing that budget as belonging in a Marvel comic…

  • Ray in VT

    I think that that question about Mormonism and interracial marriage wasn’t appropriate for that forum.  I think that it is true that people of African descent could not be member of the LDS church until something like 1979, but I’ve certainly never met a Mormon who I have felt to be ethnically prejudiced.  I have heard it reported that many fundamentalist Mormon groups still hold those racial views, but there is certainly no indication that Mr. Romney holds these views.

  • Jharrison1951

    RE the Supreme Court “Strip Search” decision, we’ve already lost much of our rights and dignity by having to go through the body scans at the airport. Couldn’t jailers use that technology to “search” suspects in jails instead of removing the last shred of their dignity along with their clothing?

  • Brothersower88

    If you haven’t read the Constitution of the US in the last three months, how can you know more about the constitutionality of laws better than 9 justices who have spent their lives (or at least their terms as justices) analyzing it.

    The Supreme Court isn’t setup to decide what is good, bad, moral, ethical, etc.  It is only to decide what is constitutional. 

    They can get it right or wrong, and we might not like what their decision is; however, for “legal-laypeople” to say that they are losing their right to be justices or should be impeached… that seems to be angry language coming from people without law degrees.

    TL;DR The supreme court is not about right or wrong, its about constitutionality.

    • Chris

      We don’t need law degrees to know the current Supreme Court decides based on how it benefits corporations and the police state over the people.

      • TyrannyOfMarjority

        What ignorant crap. Frightening. Whether or not you hold conspiracies about the court and it’s “beneficiaries”, to not understand the fundamental concept and purpose of a Constitution and Court, to protect our liberties against legislative tyranny of the masses or executive tyranny, is the height of historical ignorance, and political expediency.

        Spoken like a true Liberty-hater, and I suppose socialist, benevolent dictator sympathizer by default.

        That is not a false dichotomy, its a fundamental choice of government. You cannot pick and choose when to follow Constitutional protection of Liberties, or the whole concept is a sham, and THAT is where the door is truly opened (as it is now in our ignorant accepting of Discretionary Rule era) to corruption, and tyranny by the powerful.

        • Chris

          This court has NEVER ruled for the individual over the corporations or the state. 

          Liberty. Keep shilling.

          • TyrannyOfMajority

            Please lay out your benevolent dictator alternative plans to save us from ourselves.

            Does power corrupt or not? Would you rather have power distributed to the people as best as possible, with protection from tyranny of majority by a constitution respecting individual liberty, or do believe in empowering well-meaning elites that we can trust to do the right thing with their power?

            Or is there some other utopian plan?

          • Anonymous

            Give it up, Dave. Most everyone tired of this tiresome tripe months ago.

        • Anonymous

          You really like that word tyranny.
          Kind of over using it a bit methinks.

  • ThisIsLRDunn
  • Hidan

     As for the Mormon question given to Romney. It used to be view in the church that because Cain killed  abel he was cursed with the mark. The Mormons believed this was how Blacks came into the picture and Mormons also believe when Christ died he came to America and taught a white Indian tribe who was all killed by another tribe in which God cursed these people with Red Skin. 

    The Mormon history in the U.S. and area’s they controlled would allow Indian who refused to mate with blacks and only whites the claim/rights to still being Indian and the ones who mated or married anyone would loses there claim/rights to being Indian.

    The Belief that blacks were inherently cursed and therefore couldn’t be given the Priesthood was around until the late 1970′s when it was voted on and finally reversed.

    • Ray in VT

      It’s a sad history on racial views, but it largely seems to be just that.  It doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be talked about and studied, but I don’t think that it was a valuable question in that situation.

      • Hidan

         point taken.

        • Ray in VT

          I would definitely recommend Jon Krakauer’s Under the Banner of Heaven for some interesting information on the FLDS.  That book was the first place that I ever heard of Warren Jeffs.

  • Lost Cat 00

    Regarding Mr. Heilemann’s comment about the Supreme Court being defferential toward executive authority, it is ironic that that zeal does nit seem to be extended to the President’s authority and the Congress authority to write laws. Only when the decision support an authoritarian outlook, or exalt economic privilege, is that the Scalia gang of activis gets active. . .and activist.  

  • Anonymous

    Quick, get Jack Beatty some smelling salts. Obama makes fun of Mitt calling the Ryan budget “Mahvellous” and Jack clutches his pearls.

    This is the same Romney who ran an ad edited to show Obama saying “If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.” The full quote is: “Senator McCain’s campaign actually said, and I quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.”

    When confronted, instead of apologizing or retracting the ad, Romney defended it.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/23/news/la-pn-romney-iowa-20111123 

    This is also the same Mitt Romney who questioned  Obama’s patriotism:

    “Our president doesn’t have the same feelings about American exceptionalism that we do,” Romney said. “And I think over the last three or four years, some people around the world have begun to question that. On this Tuesday, we have an opportunity — you have an opportunity — to vote, and take the next step in bringing back that special nature of being American.” 

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-questions-obama-commitment-to-american-exceptionalism/2012/03/31/gIQA7xKUnS_blog.html 

    So spare me your queasiness over Obama mocking Romney.
    All it does is feed the beast:

    “The best lack all conviction, while the worst   
    Are full of passionate intensity.”

  • Anonymous

     Elena Kagan helped write the Obamacare and she did not recuse herself…hypocrisy

    • Chris

      You mean like Clarence Thomas’ teabagger wife who made over 150,000 in one year advocating for the end of Obama care and Clarence not reporting it on his financial disclosure forms?

      • Ray in VT

        We don’t really need to start calling people thinks like teabagger today, do we?

      • Yokosuka1985

        So Bill Clinton should stop giving political speeches while his wife is Sec. State?

    • john w. rippetoe jr.

      @nprmsnbc. So the hypocrisy would be in me accusing Scalia of conflict of interest for duck hunting with Cheney before hearing a case involving Cheney’s interests, but not seeing how that same charge would apply to Kagan as she considers the Health Care Act. But, Elena Kagan is not a hypocrite and so you are wrong about that as I understand hypocrisy: “false appearance,” or “contradiction between what one says and what one  does.” But, you’ve got me thinking I’m a hypocrite. If I trust you that she helped in authoring the law, there was nothing false or deceptive about Kagan’s contribution, yes? As you pointed out, she wrote, published, in her name, yes? Are you unclear about her publicly stated position or contribution to the law? How about her testimony before congress? But I’m still waiting to hear who was bottom and who was top when Scalia and Cheney got together to kill birds, or what was discussed etc. (Remember Cheney/Bush Admin.’s closed meeting with the heads of the energy companies back in 2000?) “Conflict of interest” includes the very human impulse to help your friends, or at least buy lunch next time, and if you’re not willing to help your friends, maybe you s-ck as a friend and as a human being. (Of course, a lot of human beings are also sadists.) But I recoil at being told I should trust Scalia based on his own assessment of himself as being above or below the rest of us in his humanity. (When does he get to have his full body cavity search? I’ve made myself sick now. Gotta’ go.)   

    • Anonymous

      That’s not true.
      She had no role in writing the ACA. Even the group that sought her recusal did not claim that she did. They objected on the basis that she was Solicitor General when the bill was passed, and her office participated in defending it in court.

  • Brett

    The Republicans don’t put Party above all else….just look at Santorum putting his own ego above Party! 

  • Dee

    I think Jack and others are wrong to point to the monthly Job report as “bad”. They should have listened to Robin Young’s 
    interview yesterday with Dan Gross from Yahoo. Gross looked 
    at growth in terms of confidence in the economy at the local 
    level. (see URL below.) It was a perspective I feel is missing
    in news and jobs/growth analysis on the economy… Perhaps 
    more importantly what individuals are doing to promote grow-
    th. although they are not necessarily employers or “the job creators” the Republican brag about….However, they are 
    stimulators for growth in the economy……Dee

    http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2012/04/05/beauty-salons-economy

    P.S. Dan Gross has a new book coming out which I feel Jack and others should read…Maybe Tom should have him on his show also. (I imagine people would find him validating….)
    I believe they building a new model for the American economy-away from the corporate model–in broad sense— Dan Gross spoke to Robin Young on Here and Now about also.) 

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Why Obama will lose the election.

    It isn’t just high unemployment but wages are going in the wrong direction.  Here is a historical analysis:

    http://blog.american.com/2012/04/if-obama-loses-in-november-itll-probably-be-because-of-this-chart/
     

    • Chris

      The sad truth is it doesn’t matter either way.

      2 parties, 1 master, the criminal elite.

    • Anonymous

      Broaden your horizon.  Real wages have been dropping since the implementation of Reaganomics, with only a slight uptick in the 90′s. If this really concerns you, you will vote for the candidate that repudiates those policies. 

      Glad to see you’re relying on the CEPR for accurate info on the economy.  If our policy makers listened to Dean Baker we would all be better off.

      • TomK in Boston

        Right, jimino. Reaganomics = class warfare and it’s worked very well for the elite. However it’s never been as intense as in the Ryan proposals – that’s freaking nuclear class war.

        If the process was logical, we’d note that we’ve been trying voodoo econ since 1980, with all the bs about the wonders of tax cuts and deregulation, and the middle class has been sinking the whole time. Then we’d say, OH, this isn’t working, and reverse course. Why not?

        • Brandstad

          Please explain what is “intense” in the Ryan Budget?  It is a mainstream as possible.

          • Anonymous

            I see it’s the comedy hour.

          • TomK in Boston

            LOL, turning the core of our retirement safety net into an inadequate Groupon that will force seniors to pay ever-increasing $ to predatory private insurance companies is “mainstream”??? Mainstream class warfare, maybe. 

            Posturing about the deficit while proposing massive, budget-busting tax cuts for the elite, with their taxes already near a post-1929 low, is “mainstream”??? Mainstream con job, maybe.

  • denis

    Help stop the hypocrisy of the right.. Please sign the petition below asking for sanction of Justice Scalia.http://signon.org/sign/sanction-justice-scalia?source=c.em.mt&r_by=4030203

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       There is so much hypocrisy in the petition.

      Did you ‘sanction’ the lawmakers who voted for Obamacare without reading the bill?  Let’s start with Nancy Pelosi who famously stated that we’ll find out what is in it once we pass it.

      How about the $17T in unfunded liabilities the bill creates?

      I have a better idea.  Let’s repeal this POS immediately and take the courts out of the equation.

      • denis

        If you are really “worried for the country” you should be worried whenever a Supreme Court justice says it is cruel and unusual punishment for him to do his job. When a judge misquotes a law he has not read and then is involved in the political discord rather than the legal precedents that are so necessary in a democracy. A person truly “worried for the country” would also be worried about out of context utube videos and those that spread the out of context information as fact and intelligent discourse.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          No, but I am disturbed by a Supreme Court justice who rejects the US Constitution as a template for a modern constitution when consulting with Egyptian framers of their constitution.

          If you don’t understand the point Scalia was making, with a bit a humor, then there is no hope for you. 

          • denis

            Your logic is so flawed it is beyond consideration; however, It would seem that person really “worried for the country” would in fact read beyond SoundBits and study the facts, not opinion. Unfortunately our “strict constructionist” Supreme Court justice sets a poor example for you to follow.

          • TomK in Boston

            The funniest thing is listening to the far righties who for years ranted about activist judges, now complaining when the President warns the court about “activism”. What scum they are.

          • Brandstad

            The problem is Either Obama doesn’t know the difference between judicial activism or he knows but misleads gullible people like you.

              The Supreme court’s job is to strike down laws.  Judicial activism occurs when judges try to make law!

          • Anonymous

            No, sorry you are wrong. The Supreme court is the final court in the land were one can make an argument for or against a law or a decision based on a law.
            It’s not there to strike down laws.

            Justice Scalia is an openly partisan judge who is on thin ice. He’s not done anything to warrant impeachment, yet.

            The court is losing respect of the population due to such absurd rulings such as Citizens United, which set back 100 years of jurisprudence.

             

          • TomK in Boston

            I don’t know where you come from, but in the USA the court only rules on cases that come before it. The only way they can “make law” is to uphold or interpret a law passed by the legislative branch, and they can “unmake law” by striking down or interpret a law passed by the legislative branch. Either way they are are changing the laws us Americans live by, so it’s all the same to me. The only question is whether they overreach or show restraint. Overturning a major piece of legislation passed by elected representatives and transparently constitutional under the commerce clause and the requirement to support the “general welfare” would be precisely what the GoP has been whining about for years. I think it would be time for some impeachments. 

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Obama kept one campaign promise.

    Obama in January 2008:
    “If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s
    just that it will bankrupt them,” Obama said, responding to a question
    about his cap-and-trade plan. He later added, “Under my plan …
    electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.”Now the EPA has instituted new rules that will make it impossible to build a new coal plant.  However, these rules are not to regulate pollution but CO2.  The US is not the Saudi Arabia of coal, but the middle east of coal.  If we don’t use the coal, it will be exported to China who are building new coal plants every week.China will get the coal and we get high electric prices.

  • aj

    Mitt Romney: ” I don’t care about poor people”
    few weeks later
    Mitt Romney: ” I care about the poor as much as anyone if not More!”
    ———
    Interviewer: ” Your husband seems a little stiff?”
    Ann Romney: “Maybe we should unzip him!”
    ———
    LOLLL
    The campaign is in overdrive now.

  • aj

    The Navy flew an F-18 fighter into an apartment building killing some innocent Americans :(

    • aj

      I think its a public housing complex…?

      • aj

        Prognosis is not looking good people.

        • aj

          The pilots both ejected though.

  • Dee

    Addendum

    Jack Beatty may note the adds against re-election for various presidents and the economy –yet if George W. Bush can have the worst job creation of any president in history and he got re-
    elected —I can’t understand why Jack is so down on Obama’s chances—right now.

    The truth in telling there is the Obama team has a history of growth since 2008 (i believe it is near 3 million jobs created 
    since the down turn in 2008 ) and while that number may have
    stood still this month—there has been growth in the economy as Dan Gross from Yahoo pointed out to Robin Young on Here and Now this week….

    The other advise Jack Beatty should have given Obama -He should have suggested Obama focus on defying what others 
    see as the odds against him and his administration. 

    Who would have thought Harry Reid would have been reelect-ed in Navada in 2010? Yet he defied the odds against him by 
    painting his opponent as the unacceptable alternative for the 
    job.  As Roosevelt and others did in their times when the odds were stacked against them…..

    And in this respect –Scott Leigh of the Boston Globe (see URL below) and the Christian Science Monitor editorial staff have advise for Obama — Focus on the culture of greed at Wall Street or perhaps note some of John Bellamy Foster column 
    on Capitalism and the Accumulated catastrophe…( URl below)

    Romney’s Bain Record Should Remain An Issue…..
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-30472517.html

    Christian Science Monitor URL to follow …….

    Capitalism and the Accumulation of Catastrophe….
    http://monthlyreview.org/2011/12/01/capitalism-and-the-accumulation-of-catastrophe

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      What has Obama done about “too big to fail”?
      Nothing!!!!

      He didn’t even attempt to restore the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933.

      He still gets big bucks from Wall Street and his administration is loaded with Wall Street hacks.

      • FAX68

        You really Dislike Obama ha? i did not vote for him and if I voted for him I won’t bad mouth him because I voted for him.

      • Ray in VT

        And I think that there is a lot of displeasure from the left on those points, although it may be muted, because where else are they going to go?

        I would agree that the administration has too many ties to Wall Street, as have the other recent administrations.

        To offer a counter point, though, how would it have been portrayed by the President’s opponents if the President and the administration had gone after the banks and Wall Street.  There would have been even greater cries that the President is some sort of anti-business socialist who is trying to destroy private enterprise.

        • TyrannyOfMajority

          WADR, that is a false choice.  The Libertarian/Austrian/Paul/Nader types have been arguing/explaining to deaf ears, how the current system is a RIGGED system, not a FREE MARKET, Crony Capitalism, State Capitalism, Centrally planned/manipulated economy.

          Collusion between Government and Wall St Banking types, or any industry, may be the establishment Democrat and Republican way, to suck up to power, and garner election funds, while naively thinking they might tame the beast, after the election, but there are those out there who argue against that system, and explain the mechanics of how real competition, and removing the power of government from industry and monetary policy, would be ANTITHETICAL to “too big to fail” and all the crony corruption displayed by both parties.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           Excellent points.

      • TomK in Boston

        I’m not happy about that, Worried. That’s why I always say he’s a moderate republican, by the standards I grew up with.

        But if you don’t like BHO acting like a moderate republican in bed with wall st, what do you expect from the extreme wingnuts in the current GoP? For starters, they’ll set tax rates on the banksters that the casino and inequality will take another quantum leap. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to be “worried” about that.

      • Brandstad

        He has made 
        “too big to fail” a norm and not the exception!

  • FAX68

    iOnePoint:
     
    Obamacare has not been fully implemented. Syria will be in civil war soon, Romney the Presidential candidate for Republicans will not win against Obama. Gas prices are going up and will never recover back. 8.2 for unemployment rate is still high and America needs to hire 500.000 job each month to recover from the great recession.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Why do you say Romney won’t win?

      Romney is tied with Obama in the only national tracking poll that measures ‘likely voters’ with both at 46%. Likely voter polls are much more expensive but more accurate.  Obama only leads in the ‘registered voter’ polls.

      Reagan was far behind Carter at this same point in 1980.

      • FAX68

        You should know you support Romney.

        • Ray in VT

          A lot can happen between now and then, so who knows.  I think a lot will depend upon how economic and job numbers look, but other factors will play in as well.

          • AX68

            The numbers are not really accurate.
            I never believe in statistcs and statistics can be wrong.

          • Ray in VT

            There are three kinds of lies:  lies, damned lies and statistics.

  • FAX68

    iOnePoint”

    The great empire will be torn from limb,The all-powerful one for more than four hundred years:Great power given to the dark one from slaves come,The Aryana will not be satisfied thereby.

  • AX68

    Why was this Institute created or what are they preparing for? http://archive.bigspaceship.com/ihc/

  • observer

    Why the GOP Can’t win with minorities, Shelby Steele
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123716282469235861.html

    Minority births out number US majority births 
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/washington/14census.html?pagewanted=all

  • Dee

    Tom and Company,

    Please look at this Boston Globe Report from February. 
    http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2012/03/10/robust_jobs_report_confirms_recovery/

    There was a job increase in March but not as robust as ex-
    pected in March. However, there were lay offs in the con-
    struction industry I attribute to the GOP’s assault on Obama’s job Bill last Fall that would have keep those workers in place with renovating badly needed infrastructure.. 

    I am pinning this construction lay off on the GOP and those 
    workers should show up in Congress or on CNN and other 
    news outlet voicing their outrage at the GOP filling Corporate 
    America’s pockets while not giving a hoot about them and 
    their families….

    In addition, I propose someone from the Obama team contact JC Penny’s and look at ways to keep those potential lay off workers in place with incentives and advice….

    Likewise , someone should work with Yahoo and the lay off  of their potential workers also.  Perhaps Yahoo could team up with a new media outlet as AOL did with the Huffington Post. Ihis more seems to have boost AOL’s standing….Dee

  • david

    Newsflash to all of you who will “never hear” this on this site or the liberal media!!!!!
    NBC, you know that news company you can really trust for truth, just issued an apology to the public.
    It appears their broadcast of the Zimmerman 911 tapes were j………ust a little off, maybe doctored, pretty sure it was doctored. They stated they had a slight editing problem with the actual 911 tape, they will investigate.
    Their broadcast of the 911 tape, leaving out much of the truth, painted Zimmerman as a racist who was, against orders from the dispatch person to stop pursuing Martin, kept pursuing him and shot him down in cold blood.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/nbc-issues-apology-on-zimmerman-tape-screw-up/2012/04/03/gIQA8m5jtS_blog.html

    Their mistake was further repeated by all the liberal networks, including this site, causing a frenzy of misguided and uninformed comments and reactions calling for Zimmerman’s head.
    Calls for people to wait for the FACTS were ignored, because the agenda had already been launched by those on the left.
    The truth will come out, I just hope that the lies that are being created to further an agenda or media hype will not result in some innocent person being killed or harmed due to this!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      And what are you doing? Zimmerman shot a killed Treyvon Martin. That’s a fact. For some reason the guy was not arrested. You seem to want to pin this on it being a liberal thing. Which the media is not, NBC is owned by a huge multinational corporation which is hardly liberal.
      But maybe your definition of liberal is anyone whom does not buy into your dogma. Quite frankly I’m disgusted by the entire thing, more from the right wing idiots who want to paint a dead kid as some kind of thug. He’s dead, he can’t tell his side of the story, and he cannot defend himself against people like yourself.

      Zimmerman needs to have his day in court, or at the very least be investigated for the shooting. Anything short of that is absurd.

      • Gregg

        You claim right wingers want to paint Martin as a thug, what has anyone manufactured out of whole cloth to spread that image?

        • Anonymous

          Have you seen any of the press coming out of Fox? In my view the press has done an awful job here, they were more interested in ratings, hence the NBC snow job, and Fox’s sensationalism, more than the truth.

          In my view Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed kid, he should be arrested and go through the legal system and let them sort it out. I do not think this is going to happen however.

          • Brett

            It seems much more plausible that, as you say, NBC did what they did because they were interested in ratings than it seems they did what they did to further systemic, institutionalized racism, as people like Gregg want to infer. 

          • Gregg

            Ratings? How many more viewers did NBC lose? No one watches them, they have no credibility left.

    • Gregg

      David, it’s truly despicable. Think about the Ft. Hood massacre and how the press bent over backwards to avoid mentioning the Jihadist Hasan was a Muslim. That isn’t the only case, there are others. It’s the same thing really. It’s all an attempt to paint with a broad brush. Liberals have the nuance of a jack hammer. All Muslims are peace loving lovable fuzzballs. The rich are all greedy. Whites are all racist. Blacks are all victims. And on and on. It’s sad.

      • Brett

        “Liberals have the nuance of a jack hammer. All Muslims are peace loving lovable fuzzballs. The rich are all greedy. Whites are all racist. Blacks are all victims.”

        So, you accuse ALL liberals of the aforementioned thinking by broad-brushing how all liberals think and act in your accusation…that’s precious. You and david are  very much alike; it’s no wonder you would be in so much agreement. 

        • Gregg

          It’s the definition of a liberal, I wouldn’t say it about Democrats though.

          • Brett

            What would ALL conservatives be?

          • Gregg

            Conservative.

          • Brett

            What about neocons? Are all Muslims terrorists to neocons? Are all whites the virtue of propriety to neocons? Are all Blacks lazy and in want of a free lunch to neocons? Are all rich folk benevolent job creators to neocons? I figured I’d ask since you are a neocon…by the way, these are rhetorical because the answer is yes! ;-)

          • Gregg

            No, we don’t look at it that way. That’s just your narrative. As I’ve said before, you must tell us what we think before you can criticize it. I usually try to stick with content of character over color of skin. You, not so much.

          • Brett

            NO, I was joking, hence the ;-)

            But, you are the one broadbrushing ALL liberals.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            According to the ‘W’ example, ALL conservatives are Crony crooks that lie to start a war, so their fellow crooks can fill their pockets and theiving banks with the money they steal and defraud the public of, in so many ways, while lying by omission about the costs of the wars to that same public?

          • Brett

            Thanks, Triple T, this seems a good working partial definition of a conservative! ;-)

          • Anonymous

            Fascist? Right wing zealots?
            Who knows, they opened the door on this. It’s pretty lame really.

          • Brett

            This definition, in conjunction with Triple T’s, I think defines conservatives quite accurately. ;-)

          • Brett

            Ah, so moderate Democrats are more nuanced? 

          • Anonymous

            It’s your warped definition of a liberal.  

      • david

        So true Gregg.
        Brett has bought into all this liberal mess. If this is the same Brett, we have clashed before on Obamacare. Back a few years ago, I showed him proof that Obamacare was offering abortions in it’s high risk pools. He jumped on me and told me the usually Salinsky crap that I was wrong. Quess what!!!!!!
        HHS has announced the “Abortion Premium Mandate” in high risk poll policies.
        I can’t hold it against him though, Alot of people are being fed a lie!

        • Brett

          “Obamacare” didn’t even exist “a few years ago.” What does “jump on” mean? The only thing I’ve ever said about abortion and federal funding is that it doesn’t pay for abortions except in cases of incest, rape or if the mother’s life is in danger, anything else is simply not true, an inaccurate characterization. 

          • Anonymous

            Don’t waste your time. They are baiting you. These guys are not interested in anything other than the sound of their own rhetoric.

          • Brett

            I know, man. It’s just interesting to see how far they will go.

          • david

            If you are the same Brett.
            Back in 2010, I stated that New Mexico included abortions for any reason in their high risk pool plans.
            You challenged me and stated that Obamacare did not include that because Obama had signed a paper promising it would not. You ask for proof, I gave you proof. Here was your answer to my claim about NM.
            “david, I should have known you couldn’’t provide what you say is the New Mexico insurance regulatory commission’’s website containing the information substantiating your claims!Posted by Brett, on July 20th, 2010 at 11:50 PMI gave you proof on July 21st, 2010 at 10:59 PM  July 21st, 2010 at 10:59 PM  

        • Anonymous

          As you have bought into the right wing mess. How is that people who have a different point of view from you deserves so much contempt? This is what gets me. And when people through it back at you you start to whine, oh you left wing liberals just don’t get it. You really are something else.

    • Brett

      Well, I guess because NBC manipulated the story, then Zimmerman should never be arrested or considered guilty of anything even if it turns out he is, right? 

      The truth has a chance to come out, but that chance can only come out if he is arrested and tried in a court of law. 

      • Gregg

        There you go a leapin’ again.

        • Brett

          You never say whether or not you think Zimmerman should be arrested…go ahead, I dare ya! 

          • Brett

            P.S.-Gregg, You think (from one of your earlier posts) that “evidence” is Zimmerman’s father extolling the virtues of his son’s character to a media outlet. You also think that “testimony” is Zimmerman’s brother saying what a good guy Zimmerman is to another media outlet. Gregg, these are neither evidence nor testimony, they’re media reports of character assessments made by close family members of Zimmerman. You pick and choose which media reports you think are facts and which media reports you say are false (the ones you disagree with). I’m different; I don’t take much stock in any of the media reports. 

          • Gregg

            There’s more than that. He has a history of activism for minority causes. He tutors young blacks. He did NOT volunteer any indication of race to the dispatcher. Here’s one story of him stepping up to the plate in defense of a black man when the NAACP refused.

            http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/022082.html

            You go on with your sleazy projections when you are the one uninformed and refusing to look past your own ideology. I didn’t pick and choose squat. I doubt you even knew about the above. Where is the evidence he is racist? Where is the outrage over a bounty on his head?

            You’ve got no idea what you are talking about. Your knee-jerk assumptions are what’s wrong with this country.

          • Brett

            I never said Zimmerman is racist; I don’t know. 

          • Brett

            Oooohhh, a letter from a “concerned family member” to a neoconservative weblog; now that’s impressive! 

          • Gregg

            You art not in the least bit curious about the truth.

          • Brett

            I’m not the least bit curious about what appears to be propaganda.

          • Gregg

            The propaganda is he has not been arrested because of institutionalized racism. You ate it up, don’t tell me your didn’t.

          • Brett

            If you must know, it wouldn’t have seemed racist if the dispatcher HAD simply asked what Martin looked like and Zimmerman said, “he looks Black.” That is a physical description; it wouldn’t prove racism even if he had said it the way NBC distorted it.

          • Gregg

            I imagine he will be arrested but once they do the clock is ticking so they need to have their ducks in a row or he will be released. There are many possible reasons why he has not been arrested yet. I do not assume it’s because of race as seems to be the conventional wisdom. How on earth would I know if Zimmerman should be arrested? To say so is jury by mob rule.

          • Brett

            NO, thinking he should be convicted of murder would jury by mob rule…hyperbole would be what you said. 

          • Gregg

            I think a bounty on his head is mob rule. I think Maxine Waters’ and Al Sharpton’s rhetoric are inciting mob violence. It’s unbelievably sad you don’t see the harm they have done. All based on the color of skin with complete disregard for content of character. It’s disgusting.

          • Brett

            I’ve never commented about Sharpton or Waters. My comments are directed toward your perceptions not theirs.

        • Brett

          What? You mean the part where I think NBC manipulated the story?

          • Gregg

            “Well, I guess because NBC manipulated the story, then Zimmerman should
            never be arrested or considered guilty of anything even if it turns out
            he is, right? “

            Does that logic follow? Who said that? It’s a leap.

          • Brett

            david should be able to answer for himself whether or not he thinks Zimmerman should be arrested, no? david has already considered Zimmerman innocent. That is also a rush to judgment.

          • Gregg

            He said no such thing, reread it. It’s so much easier to criticize after you tell people what they think.

          • Brett

            “I just hope that the lies that are being created to further an agenda or media hype will not result in some innocent person being killed or harmed due to this” Is he NOT considering Zimmerman?

          • Gregg

            No, “due to this”, meaning as a result of the instigated race war. It seems clear to me but I should defer to David.

          • david

            The video showing Zimmerman coming into the police station, you know the one where everybody said, “look! he doen’t have any blood on his head” also showed something else everyone must have missed?????
            It looked like he had handcuffs on, maybe arrested and brought in for questioning and then maybe,maybe released on bond,maybe.
            http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cd_1333028304
            My point, the truth will come out, but the racist tone that this has taken on will sooner are later get some innocent person killed!!!!!!!!
            In our country a person is prsumed innocent UNTIL proven guilty, did you forget that??????
            The court is the place where judgment is rendered, not the media or on the street!!!

          • Brett

            Thanks for the video; I hadn’t seen it from that angle. It clearly shows….wait for it…that police did not follow procedure (checking his pockets without using latex gloves; I guess they weren’t worried about all that blood [sarcasm]). Zimmerman neither appears to have any blood on his clothes nor any on his face or head. By your comment, ostensibly, you think that Zimmerman may have already been arrested and has posted bond. Interesting…  that’s a way to deal with the arrest problem I suppose. No one has reported that he was arrested and posted bail (which would be a matter of public record), not even folks with yours and Gregg’s beliefs. Sorry, david, but if you look at that video and see an injured Zimmerman or if you think Zimmerman has already been arrested and has posted bond, then it appears you’ve deluded yourself into out and out hallucination. 

          • david

            REread my comment I said MAYBE.
            He was taken to jail in handcuff.
            There is a EMT and police report of his injuries!!

          • Brett

            Or the part where I said the only way the truth can come out is to arrest Zimmerman? Is that leapin’?

    • Gregg

      It’s already happened.

      http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/03/Man-78-recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html

      Spike Lee, knowing about the bounty, tweeted the address of an elderly couple who had to flee. The whole thing is just awful and the lack of outrage has me outraged.

      • Brett

        Who condones what Spike Lee did?

      • Still Here

        Spike Lee is a racist. He may have set that elderly white couple up on purpose!

  • Gregg

    It occurs to me not one liberal on this blog has condemned the actions of NBC. Did I miss it? It reminds me of the Dan Rather forged document. Rather still sticks by the story but says the forgery  was a distraction. Everybody knows Bush was AWOL, wink wink nod nod. I’m sure many here believe racism was a key component so NBC was justified. That’s all I can figure. It’s a false premise built on ideology and hate.

    I even had one commenter suggest saying Zimmerman was not racist was the same as claiming to know what drove his actions. The world has gone nuts.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      My angle was that Zimmerman was NOT a policeman, but an ‘unofficial’ neighborhood watch, that disregarded the dispatcher that told him they didn’t need Zimmerman to pursue Treyvon, and to NOT do so.
          Zimmerman was armed, and KNEW it.  He was stalking a person, against the stated position of the dispatcher, he GOT OUT of the car, ARMED, NOT KNOWING if Treyvon was armed, which can easily be interpreted as a confrontation. 
          YET HE claims he killed Treyvon, because he felt his life was threatened? 
          NO INVESTIGATION?
         
          HOW IS THIS STANDING YOUR GROUND?

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         Zimmerman’s story is he DID obey the dispatcher.

        He claimed that he stopped following Martin and went to find a house address to accurately mark his location.  He then started back to his car when he was accosted by Martin.

        We will probably never know for certain if he is telling the truth but it might be plausible.

        There is an investigation now and it will probably end up going to trial.

        It is not clear that stand your ground will even come into play.

        • Hidan

           The FL Congressman who sponsored and promoted the bill stated on NPR that he does not think Zimmerman can use the “Stand your Ground law”

          CONAN: And again, we don’t know all the details of the confrontation. What makes you think that Stand Your Ground does not apply to George Zimmerman’s defense?

          BAXLEY: Well, simply because if you carefully read the statute, which most of the critics have not, and read the legislative analysis, there’s nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue or confront other people. If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have.

          http://www.npr.org/2012/03/26/149404276/op-ed-why-i-wrote-stand-your-ground-law

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellery-Tuck/100000121509965 Ellery Tuck

          He seems to have claimed he was the one yelling for help, yet analysis says not. He claims he was attacked, yet he was doing the following, and the phone call from Trayvon to his girlfriend indicated Trayvon stated he was being followed.  No mention of Trayvon going on the attack, rather the call was interruped suddenly  The incompetence of the Sanford Police Dept. is legion.  Where are the powder residue studies on Trayvon’s clothes?  Was the weapon inches from his chest when discharged?  Why didn’t they do a complete forensic study of the area in which Zimmerman “defended” himself?   Where were the injuries to Travon’s fists from striking Zimmerman.  Where are the photos of Zimmerman’s injuries to document his claims of a broken nose and cuts on the back of his head. 

          Instead, Zimmerman claims he was standing his ground, following another person, and had to kill the person he was following to presever his own life.  

          Apparently, the number of justifiable homicids has increased since the passage of “stand your ground”.  I wonder, has the number of contested divorces has also gone down?  Think about it.  Avoid the expense of litigation, the risk of losing child custody, or having to divide up accumulated property.   All a party needs is a knife, a pistol, a quick squeeze of the trigger, some gloves, along with a self inflcited defensive injury to an arm or hand, and the careful application of the deceased’s hand and fingerprints to the knife handle, and they are home scott free!  “Officer, __ was drunk and angry, but I was standing my ground against an attack of my instead of retreating.” If investigated as the Sanford Police Department did, no charges, no evidence accumulated and preserved, and no questions.

          Absolutely wonderful law for the people of the Great State of Florida to have to contend with. 

      • TomK in Boston

        I don’t get it. If a cop shoots someone on duty, he’s disarmed and given admin duty till the case is investigated. Yet zimmerman says it was self-defense, the cops say OK, right, and off he goes, still armed. WTF? Can I gun down the neighbors, claim self defense, and continue with my dinner?
        I’m not saying anything about guilt or innocence. I’m saying that someone taking a life should not be getting a free pass without a bit more of a procedure. 

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          He was arrested, detained for 5 hours and then released.  Are you certain they let him keep the gun?

          He hasn’t been charged…yet.

          I agree that they should have done the thorough investigation that they are doing now right from the beginning.

    • Brett

      If you had said that Zimmerman appears not to be racist I wouldn’t have a problem, but you said that you KNOW Zimmerman is NOT a racist. You don’t know one way or the other. An anonymous letter from a “concerned family member” or statements to the media from his brother and father are NOT proof Zimmerman is NOT a racist. You are nuts if you think you know any more about this story than I do. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

        The same lack of knowledge of the real facts pertains to you too.

        • Brett

          I’ve not stated that I agree with any so-called facts of this case, other than Zimmerman shot Martin; many other elements to the story are either unclear or only hint at what might have happened. In any case we don’t have enough facts to say one way or the other. You are not privy to any more facts than anyone else, so you can’t speak to any body else’s lack of knowledge. 

  • Gregg

    NBC fired the producer that doctored the tape. That’s a start.

    • Anonymous

      How many people has Fox So-called News fired for the dozens of lies that its employees have aired?

      • aj

        “Fair, Balanced, and Unafraid!” 
          

  • Brett

    To Gregg, the part about him not being arrested because of institutionalized racism may very well be propaganda too.

    • Gregg

      At this point it doesn’t matter. The damage is done and the tragedy has been exponentially compounded. It worked. To whose end? 

  • jiminy cricket

    Tom Ashbrook, in his usual sensaltionalistic way, summed up this year’s presidential vote as a huge choice for the American voter. Leaving aside the question as to whether he has some sort of higher perch than the rest of us, I just want to comment on how many things wrong is in this sort of observation.

    We are now subject to what has become never ending campaining for something. If it isn’t a two year presidential round (first, testing the waters, then gathering money, then primaries and all they entail, then the final knockout round) it is two years or close to two years of “mid terms”, which has come to be called a referendum on the presidency that has barely had a chance to begin. This happens now invariably whether a Republican or a Democrat holds the Presidency. I’ve been told by people older than me (I’m 58) that it’s always been this way. Perhaps true to some extent, but certainly not with the sort of media push (which includes being interrupted at dinner by robo calls) that we have today. While stridency, rhetoric, grandstanding, lies and hogwash and all the rest have been a part of politics (naturally enough) it’s the amount of time we’re almost forced to face it that is concerning.

    The seriousness of the current political race started back in early 2011, perhaps even earlier. Listen to the tone of Mr. Ashbrook (or name your own commentator/moderator) as he interviews guests or sums things up. It’s as if everything is on the line AS HE SPEAKS.  Mr. Ashbrook is himself a sort of intellectual victim of this sort of sensationalism in politics, if for no other reason for how much programming time he gives political races.

    Now he tells us we have a big choice. But is it not fair to ask why? Is it naive to suggest that this choice is a false choice, given how Republican presidents go against their campaign promises (H.W.Bush raising taxes despite our reading his lips) as much as Democrats. The fact is that it is the rhetoric itself that is making us believe we have a big choice. Can anyone really believe that if, say, a Ron Paul, got elected he would completely dismantle the government? Or if a Mitt Romney got in he wouldn’t have to face facts that required government spending of some sort?

    The bigger choice is the type of person we are being asked to vote for as president. How stable are they? How pragmatic? How flexible? But, sadly, we aren’t given a chance to find these sort of bigger questions out because moderators, such as Mr Ashbrook are more issue-oriented, and worse, leading us to believe that all choices are black and white.

    They aren’t.

  • david

    A report of a 78 year old man being mobbed and beaten by 6 young guys in vengence of Trayvon Martin!!!!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126003/Trayvon-Martin-case-6-youths-beat-man-78-twisted-racial-revenge-attack.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    50 year old man beaten with hammer near Sanford  
    http://cofcc.org/2012/04/two-teens-beat-50-year-old-with-hammer-near-sanford-fl/

    7 Black teens beat up Hispanic teen
    http://themadjewess.com/tag/7-black-teens-beat-up-white-hispanic-teen-in-palmdale/

    Need to go no further!
    As I said earlier, the rush to judgment and the tainted information given by the media is going to get some innocent PERSON KILLED people.
    Let the court system work!!! Let Zimmerman be “presumed innocent until proven guilty” as OUR democracy ask for!
    Stop fueling the problem!!!

    • Brett

      So now EVERY crime committed by a Black person is a direct retaliation for the Martin death? Let me ask you, david, do our institutions ever have the capacity to fail us?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

        You completely miss the point “david” was making, as well as the “point” made by the Constitution.  DUH

      • david

        As Jason stated, you once again have missed the point of my comment. The problem with many here is one of over emotion or far extreme in their replies or an agenda to push.
        You made a post last week that you had waited till more info about this subject came to life. You were not going to jump to a uninformed conclusion. I thought that was the only wise think to do. Now, you have reversed yourself and concluded that my call for civility, before this gets out of control and innocent people are killed due to this case, is now to you somewhat irrational and that “now EVERY crime committed by a Black person is a direct retaliation for the Martin death”
        That is NOT what I implied in my comment, so stop this contest of who has the upper hand!

        • Brett

          Who knows, maybe that 78 year old man was wearing a hoodie and was armed with a bag of Skittles!

          • Gregg

            No, just old, vulnerable and white.

          • Brett

            Aren’t you rushing to judgment? You don’t who started it. Maybe the boys felt threatened? I heard they tutor 78 year-old white men, so they must not be racists.

          • Hidan

             Maybe the boy thought the old whiteman was on drugs? and didn’t know what the old man was packing. Viagra does say if lasting more than 4 hours seek medical attention.

            Notice the fact that those two people that attacked the man were arrested.

          • Gregg

            Look at his picture. Does he look young, invincible and black to you? If you consider that a rush to judgement then I am guilty.

        • Brett

          No, I get your point, I just don’t agree with much of it. If you are trying to call for civility then why bring up crimes that have nothing to with the Trayvon Martin killing? I just think Zimmerman should be arrested. There is enough evidence to bring him to trial; after that, it’s up to the courts. You and Gregg keep bringing up the issue and the potentially incendiary comments about crimes that have nothing to do with this case, or the fact that the media makes a circus out of such things (the latter is pretty obvious)….How about if we all just call for Zimmerman’s arrest and leave it at that?

          • david

            “why bring up crimes that have nothing to with the Trayvon Martin killing?” Because crimes are being committed because of the Trayvon Martin case! If there is evidence this week to convict, he will be arrested.
            If the evidence proves he did it, I will stand up and state he deserves the death sentence.
            Zimmerman may be guilty as sin, I still will follow the law, presumed innocent until proven guilty. There is also enough reasonable doubt in some of the evidence to say, let the legal system work. The black panther crowd plans a march tomorrow in the town, they hanging flyers out. Some with crosshairs on Zimmerman’s photo.  What if Zimmerman is found to be innocent, will there be apologies???
            My whole beef about this whole mess was the rush to judgment and the lies the media put out and the chance that innocent people would be harmed, something some of you seem not to care about. No Brett, the old man was just leaving a store going home! “Maybe the boys felt threatened?” So, what meaning do I get from this comment????? 

          • Anonymous

            Two white men were arrested in Tulsa OK for murdering 3 Blacks and for going on a shooting rampage. Do you think this is related?
            For the record it’s not, but it does point to the issues of race as a problem that this nation still has. To deny it is living with blinders.

      • Hidan

         According to David and the other righties government can’t do anything right yet somehow giving the people that can oppress and abuse power even more power seems sane. Mostly I guess cause the ones being abuses aren’t them and they think it wouldn’t be them. Most likely this is another reason why so many of this type fear multiculturalism based on the fear that the minority once the majority will do the same thing they often ignored/supported.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQOCSU3NJ5J6SSQBEM5YBFCPZY Jason__A

      The leftist mob which has already hanged Zimmerman is not interested in facts, nor the presumption of innocence.

    • Gregg

      There was obviously a concerted effort to incite bigotry. The really scary question is why? This is not healing. Who gains from this and what do they gain? The word “racist” is thrown around with astonishing ease these days.

      • Brett

        incite “bigotry”? I don’t theen jou know what that word means, my friend. -Enigo Montoya 

        1) How does one incite bigotry?
        2) So, what is the concerted effort? The crimes themselves? Or the reporting of those crimes? 

        I only reply to this comment because the comment reveals just how ridiculous you’ll sound to find kinship with your own kind…that’s nothing more than southern bigotry. Have fun with your own kind…I suppose if bigotry can be incited, you and david exemplify how two can egg each other on.

        • Gregg

          Is a bounty on the head of Zimmerman bigotry? What incited it?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            A bounty on the head of anyone, even by a government, should bear close scrutiny, and questioning!

        • Gregg

          Your tolerance for incited bigotry is disappointing.

  • david

    Let us stir this soup some more.
    My take on the Supreme court decision.
    Once again the emotion factor has been escalated to the top.
    First off, IF!!! this was a “all or nothing decision”, meaning:
    If declared Unconstitutional meant that “the procedure of strip searches” were unconstitutional, and that ALL strip searches, anytime, anyplace, for any reason or cause, done to anyperson no matter the crime is therefore wrong and cannot be done then I would have a problem with that decision. 
    I think this is the problem the majority saw coming if they deemed it unconstitutional.
    So, by deeming it constitutional it leaves the option to use it, if it was a all or nothing decision, I think that was the only option they had.  The conservative judges did NOT say that the jailers MUST strip search everyone, everytime; they said that whether or not to strip search a detainee is up to the jailers. NOW, having said that, it is NOT right to abuse the privilege!!!!!There are people who will abuse a necessary law and that can be dealt with by WE THE PEOPLE. Example, the TSA preflight procedures. At first they were terrible, but WE THE PEOPLE made them not unconstitutional, but forced change, so TSA is considering making changes. So, given how terrible and humilating these searches are, who should we blame???The BAD, law breaking people who forced law enforcement people into having to strip search, you know???? like terrorist, underwear bombers, shoe bombers and all those criminals who hide things in places where the sun doesn’t shine!Therefore; as a consequence, the good have to suffer because of the bad.Here is a solution, remove the evil from amongst you. I was strip searched once, in front of a room full of people, told to bend over and……!!! I didn’t like it, but that was how the Army did things. 
    The conservative judges did NOT say that the jailers MUST strip search everyone, everytime; they said that whether or not to strip search a detainee is up to the jailers.
    NOW, having said that, it is NOT right to abuse the privilege!!!!!
    There are people who will abuse a necessary law and that can be dealt with by WE THE PEOPLE. Example, the TSA preflight procedures. At first they were terrible, but WE THE PEOPLE made them not unconstitutional, but forced change, so TSA is considering making changes. 
    So, given how terrible and humilating these searches are, who should we blame???
    The BAD, law breaking people who forced law enforcement people into having to strip search, you know???? like terrorist, underwear bombers, shoe bombers and all those criminals who hide things in places where the sun doesn’t shine!
    Therefore; as a consequence, the good have to suffer because of the bad.
    Here is a solution, remove the evil from amongst you.
    I was strip searched once, in front of a room full of people, told to bend over and……!!! I didn’t like it, but that was how the Army did things. 

    • david

      Computer screwup at the end, please forgive the repeat.

  • Hidan

     ” Business Insider” use wrong pictures as Trayvon Martin there source turns out it was from the white power message board Stormfront.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-media-is-getting-the-trayvon-martin-story-wrong-2012-3

    http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/trayvon_martin_no_thats_not_hi.php..

    Of course Greg and David will condemn the press for such action.

     

    • Gregg

      Of course I would. I can’t relate to your way of thinking.

      • Hidan

        So who should be fired from Business Insider for doing this?

  • Hidan

     Report: U.S. trained terror group
    http://www.salon.com/2012/04/06/report_us_trained_terror_group/singleton/

    So let’s review what we have here. If this report is true, it means
    the U.S. Government actively trained a group that the U.S. Government
    itself legally categorizes as a “foreign terrorist organization,” a
    clear felony under U.S. law:

    Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

  • TomK in Boston

    I just want to understand how it is possible to take a life and walk away, still armed, on the local cops’ say so. Isn’t this a little, shall we say, casual? Even a cop who fires his weapon in the line of duty is disarmed and put on admin duty until the case is investigated. Taking a life is a big deal and it was being treated like littering in this case.

  • Dan from Sudbury

    On Friday’s show Tom referred at least twice to the “bad” jobs report that morning. I have a comment and two questions: 

    For the 100,000 plus people who got new jobs it probably wasn’t bad at all.  

    When was the last time our economy added 750,000 jobs in four months? 

    In an economy that’s heavily dependent on consumer spending, and thus consumer confidence, what is the effect of news reports that only stress the negative side of financial data?

    Thanks  

  • MrM

    Dear Tom and the On-Point staff,

    You are running a great program, which has unique power to define and shape debates in our society.

    I would like to offer a possible theme for one of your future shows, namely to look at the income inequality from a pure economic perspective, how it is necessary to make the economic growth more sustainable, leaving aside the moral aspect of it (not because it is less important, but because it has been discussed at length).

    Here is the crux of the issue:

    Every company wants to increase revenues and lower the costs. When the company lowers salary to its workers, it usually has negligible impact on its revenues, as little of the demand for the company’s products comes from its own employees. The company owners and shareholders are obviously the main beneficiaries of this cost-cutting. At the same time, if the company passes the lower labor cost to its consumer via lower prices, then the society as a whole also benefits from this process and the economy overall becomes more efficient.

    However, this only works well so long as not too many companies engage in cost reduction; when all companies lower (or even if simply do not grow) salaries to their employees, it suppresses the aggregate demand in the whole country. The net impact on the economy might well be negative.

    In the past, up until early 1990s, there used to be a feedback loop balancing this effect: company owners would consume a small part of the profits, and then would reinvest the rest back into to the economy of the country, as they did not have any other options. Whether such reinvestment was in the form of investments in the stock market, or corporate bonds or even government bonds was not important – the savings stayed within the country and got recycled back into the economy.

    This feedback loop has long been broken: capital gets invested abroad, both by corporations and by wealthy individuals. As a result, the growth in corporate earnings does not boost the real economy in the home country as much as it used to. As all companies in aggregate try to reduce cost, they affect the aggregate purchasing power of their customers, which suppresses demand for their products. In other words, the income inequality at the society level seems to be slowing down the economic growth of the society. (This is similar to the paradox of thrift – when everybody tries to save, then everybody ends up spending less and the economy slows down, and incomes fall)

    Therefore, the society needs to address this failure of coordination and support the aggregate demand through taxes and social support, which is in fact in the long-term interest of both employees and companies, since they need strong market for their own goods and services. In other words, a healthy economy needs both capital and labor to co-prosper since ultimately workers represent the majority of the consumers. And even though company managers may understand this issue conceptually, they are stuck in this world of prisoner’s dilemma and keep cutting costs. Only intelligent and forceful economic policies of the government can save capitalism from strangling itself.

  • aj

    What kind of a little bitch picks a fight with somebody, and then when he starts losing, pulls out a thumper and shoots to kill?

    A coward; that’s who. You couldn’t have shot him in the leg? God damn!

    My 12 yr old daughter would be smart enough not to shoot someone who is unarmed in the heart!

    Now Tray is dead for no reason, and Zimmerwoman’s life is ruined. Whether he does time or not. God help him if he does a stretch in state prison. If not, he better get the hell out of Seminole county like it was Dodge city.

    ‘A coward dies a thousand deaths,
    A soldier dies but once.’

    • aj

      -William Shakespeare

    • 2trudells

      If Zimmerman is indicative of the level of toughness that these NRA type he-men possess, then it’s no wonder they all need their little pop-guns. Can’t even confront an unarmed teenager, with or without cause, without killing him.

  • 2trudells

    What a bunch of fucking bullshit I’m reading on this forum today. Firstly, I can only hope that the defenders of George Zimmerman’s actions, the clowns who claim that we don’t know all the “facts,” will some day have the delightful pleasure of being followed by a gun toting jerk as they walk down the street at night. Maybe they can then tell us how calmly and cooly they handled the situation while they were frightened for their lives. Of course, they certainly wouldn’t have had the right to defend themselves as Tray Martin did. I guess this must be some form of right wing, conservative nut job rationale. We have an absolute right to bear arms of any kind, and when someone has the audacity to try to defend themselves from our phallic little toys, we have the right to shoot them dead. Brilliant!!!! As for all the idiots who claim that we must wait until all the facts are in before we render judgement, well, we might as well abolish forums such as this one, for they are nothing BUT opinions rendered before the facts are in. And to all the Constitutional scholars out there who keep telling us that a man is innocent until proven guilty, that principle applies to the CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, not the court of public opinionl. This is the United States of America. We have the right to form whatever opinions we wish to form. It’s why we have newspapers, blogs, newsites, newstelevision, radio, and the rest of the news sources that we can’t swing a dead cat without hitting. BOZOS!!!!!

    • aj

      Bravo!

      • 2trudells

        I’m telling you, man. I haven’t been here in several weeks. I come back and have to read the kind of brain-dead foolishness I see here today, and my only feelings are rage and embarrassment. I thought a site like ON POINT would be a refuge from all the stupid people who don’t know how to think. Yeowww, was I wrong.  

    • Anonymous

      It is interesting to note that the mind set is one of complete ossification of thought and reason. You can say that it’s absurd that the Supreme Court is so taken over by right wing ideology that they spit on the 4th Amendment and you will get stomped on by the peanut gallery on this forum. Of whom will then use words such as socialist, fascist, sometimes in the same sentence, and tyranny is now a favorite soundbite. It’s amazing really.
      But, then again you can take it or leave it. It is interesting to see how people think, scary on some levels. What amazes me is the lack of ability to parse issues beyond the zeitgeist that informs their ideology. Of course I do suspect to be told I’m doing the same, and to be called a socialist who is in favor of tyranny. It’s as if the very scaffolding of our nation is being removed and it seems there is not much one can do about it.

      “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter.

      But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.”

      -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

      • aj

        A profound quote, which I have never read. I had to read it about 4 times to fully appreciate its meaning.

        I have a love/hate relationship with the third president of these United States and the author of the Declaration.

        Most of the times, I consider him a red-headed, slave holding, bankrupt scumbag. Other times, I succumb to his prose and the intellect behind them. That quote inspired the latter.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Could I interest you in using language for the public, NOT the third-graders in the restroom?

  • Wm Powe

    The unemployed in America will never be hired again, millions
    will be on the streets with no prospects soon. They may become
    a little angry hence the harsh edicts like hr 347, and strip
    search rulings, and NDAA etc. The elite know what’s coming
    and they are pulling up the drawbridge and getting the cops
    ready for massive civil disruptions, but things are still sort of
    quiet, just a few thousand occupy protesters to beat up and jail, but as they say in show business you aint seen nothing yet. 
       The second drop is coming slowly out Europe and will be here
    by mid summer my prediction is there will not be enough police
    on the planet earth to keep a lid on things, even an attack
    on Iran will not divert attention this time. 911 was about
    the collapse of building, this is the collapse of late capitalism
    and its media whores are going down with it. The global experiment of free trade where slave labor states sell stuff
    cheap to the first world is over now because there is no
    money left in the Europe or America. This is going to be worse
    than the 1930′s and political extremism is waiting in the wings.
    The November election is a reality show and no one is paying
    attention, millions of unemployed will find a hero and soon, one
    thing is certain that hero is not Obama or Romney.

    • aj

      Down with the media whores! Not Obama indeed.

    • Anonymous

      And wait until fossil fuel prices begin their inexorable rise as the petroleum era begins its inevitable, lurching decline. 

      The entire infrastructure of what passes for our organized society is based on cheap, readily available, compressed ancient plants, and all that’s about to end.

      Politicians continue to proffer fantasy solutions to basic, unavoidable, foundational problems, and the deluded/ignorant/sheep-like/pre-occupied (choose one or more) electorate continues to fall for false choices offered by an inept/corrupt/co-opted/outdated (choose one or more) political system which is designed to serve the rich, the powerful, and the corporate.

      Hopefully, people will wake up before it’s too late, but the signs aren’t hopeful.

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