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Health care and the high court. A JetBlue freak-out. The Trayvon Martin story grows. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Amy Brighton from Medina, Ohio, who opposes health care reform, rallies in front of the Supreme Court in Washington, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, as the court continues arguments on the health care law signed by President Barack Obama. (AP)

Amy Brighton from Medina, Ohio, who opposes health care reform, rallies in front of the Supreme Court in Washington, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, as the court continues arguments on the health care law signed by President Barack Obama. (AP)

It felt like the whole country was in the courtroom this week — the supreme courtroom — as the nine justices of the highest court in the land worked over the biggest legislation in decades. Health care reform. The biggest push of the Obama years. And the early verdict? It may well be dashed by the Supreme Court. Wow.

In the Trayvon Martin case, new video and hot claims. In Congress, budget battle. Safe subsidies for big oil. We’ve got March madness, a JetBlue freak-out, an open mic for the President.

This hour, On Point: our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Bryan Monroe, editor of CNNPolitics.com.

Louise Radnofsky, health policy reporter for the Wall Street Journal. You can find her recap of the health care case before the Supreme Court here.

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

The New York Times “The law professor side of President Obama is highly intrigued by the Supreme Court hearings over the constitutionality of his health care law. He studied a summary of the arguments aboard Air Force One as he flew back from a nuclear summit meeting in South Korea.”

Orlando Sentinel “Sanford police on Thursday released a 6-minute video that shows a handcuffed George Zimmerman arriving by squad car at police headquarters the night he shot and killed Trayvon Martin.”

Foreign Policy “It is not an accident that Mr. Medvedev is now busy attacking me. The Russians clearly prefer to do business with the current incumbent of the White House.”

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  • Roy Mac

    Foreign Policy quote from Romney’s puff piece.  One never-was attacking another never-will-be.  ho-hum.

    Let’s get into something REALLY interesting:  Cheney’s transplant!

    • Hidan

      JuiceRapNews ~ with Robert Foster

      RAP NEWS 12: Yes We KONY?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68GbzIkYdc8&list=UUKRw8GAAtm27q4R3Q0kst_g&feature=plcp

    • Anonymous

      What a way for Romney to “demonstrate” his foreign policy “expertise”! He demonstrates an ability to ruffle the feathers (and more) of foreign leaders that he will have to work with. Remember also that in the 2008 Republican campaign, Romney was the most DISLIKED of the candidates by the OTHER candidates.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    McCain’s best line:

    “I look into Putin’s eyes and I see three letters: K G B”
     

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    You may not agree with them but all the SCOTUS justices are damn smart.

    The tapes and transcripts of the hearings were fascinating. 

    • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

      i agree with you completely that was the first full hearing i’ve ever listened to.

      i think everyone should listen to it before spouting about from the mouth

      • Anonymous

        As they listen to the recordings, they should count the times the Republican-appointed justices regurgitate the Republican talking points which have been shown to be wrong. Those justices’ willingness to throw “red-meat” comments to those on the anti-PPACA crowd indicates a willingness to further politicize the Supreme Court along the lines of Bush v. Gore and Citizens United. This will redound to the further disgrace of an institution that needs to be seen as a beacon of justice, not corrupt politics.

        Note that there is a poll out showing the 75% of the American people EXPECT the decision to be based on POLITICS, not the Constitution.

    • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

      I agree, the entire discussion is fascinating. Of course, this is mostly the same court that brought us Citizens United… maybe the worst decision since Bush vs. Gore.

      • Anonymous

        Actually it is a worse Court.  Moderate O’Connor was replaced with extreme conservative Alito. 

    • Anonymous

      Any interesting questions asked by Justice Thomas in the transcript?

      • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

        he doesn’t speak

        • Suefrankewicz

          I admit to having a hard time respecting Clarence Thomas since Anita Hill’s testimony rang all too true.  And I find his political arguments limited in so many ways, not the least being intellectually.  When the man declines to speak in open court I can’t help thinking of that piece of folk wisdom:  “Better to sit there and look not so bright  than to open one’s mouth and prove it.”

    • Anonymous

      They do know their law and Constitution, but they showed incredible ignorance of economics. They also showed incredible ignorance of the nature of providing health care: If you don’t buy broccoli, it will NOT raise the cost for me to buy broccoli, but if you do not buy health insurance, it WILL raise the cost for me to buy health insurance, because the cost of your eventual unpaid-for-by-you health care needs is built in to the pricing.

      Now, WHY didn’t Tom know this? Why don’t you?

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Obama was “intrigued” by the SCOTUS hearings?

    I doubt he was intrigued. Maybe dismayed.

     He turned to Biden and said:
     ”Joe, now THIS is a big f’n deal.”
     

    • Anonymous

      Source?

  • Gregg

    Thank you On Point for including the words, “Trayvon Developments”. Now we know Trayvon beat the crap out of Zimmerman as he retreated. We know Zimmerman is a minority who tutored blacks on his own time. We still don’t know the trajectory of the bullet and other evidence that will tell us more. We know Trayvon was bigger than Zimmerman and a hot head. Trayvon was the victim and did not deserve to die but it was not a case of a racist white man looking to kill a black. It seems it was a tragic accident.

    That did not stop race-baiters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Barrack Obama from stoking the fires of division. The New Black Panthers have issued a bounty on Zimmerman’s head. Where’s Holder? Why hasn’t there been an arrest, that’s illegal? This is America. It’s not like the evidence isn’t conclusive, it’s admitted and in our face.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Obama is the worst thing for race relations since slavery. We even had one commenter write he hoped his son would not have to reveal his father was black. He was sure his son was a potential target of a racist America. I blame Obama. Where is the leadership calling for calm? Absent. It’s because Obama wants to divide us. It’s sick. It’s disgusting. It’s a despicable lie. It’s racist as hell and I’m angry about it.

    And most of the sycophants here eat it up. They are so eager to believe the worst of Americans. If that’s you then you suck. Your hideously shallow projections are the problem and you think they are the solution. I am appalled.

    A big part of me wants to cite case after case after case of blacks harming, maiming and killing whites solely because they are white but I refuse to play the same hateful game that is standard fare for the left. Look at the way the tea partiers were maligned as racist. Look at how any criticism of Obama is said to be race based. It’s shallow, divisive and stupid. If that’s where you are coming from then go to hell you sick racist bastards. 

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Mark Levin: “If I had another son; he’d probably look like Brian Terry”

    • Bob

      It’s a shame Trayvon won’t be able to tell his version of the story, since he’s dead, eh? Fortunately we have Gregg to tell it for him.

      Will be curious to see what the FBI comes up with, especially after interviewing Trayvon’s girlfriend who he had on the phone right before being killed.

      • Gregg

        I’m not telling you squat. I’m saying the knee-jerk rush to judgement is despicable. It’s like the Duke Lacross incident. The rich white guys lives were ravaged and the “victim” turned out to be a lying murdering whore (Literally). What’s so bad about letting the system work?

        • Bob

           ”I’m not telling you squat. I’m saying the knee-jerk rush to judgement is despicable.”

          Are you bloody serious??  Go back and read your original post if you want to read a ‘rush to judgment’.

        • Questioner

           How can you say that this is a rush to judgment when folks have heard the tapes?  This is no Duke Lacrosse situation.  If you chase and follow a stranger, and you have no real reason or authority to do so, and that person turns around and hurts you, regardless of how badly they hurt you (even to the point that your life may be in danger), common sense (forget your stupid laws made by men) says you cannot claim self-defense.

          • Gregg

            The rush to judgement to inject a racial motivation is what I’m talking about.

    • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

      many people who want to feign this ‘post racism’ period use this term race baiting but the fact is that there are still very strong racial biases in every segment of this population denying that is a failure to view reality.
       

      • Hidan

         Read greg post and you’ll see this is the case. He calls obama a racist and believes there no such racist in the teaparty or republican party and than when shown he claims its not or democrats set them up.

      • Gregg

        I don’t deny it, I say it goes both ways. I say the playing field of opportunity is leveled and until we move on nothing will change. But my biggest point is, it’s getting worse not better.

        • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

          some would see that we have merely papered over a large hole and now with added scrutiny we are beginning to see through, and we are realizing that the problem remains a gaping hole in our society. 
          we need to open up and have honest discussions on both sides; too often we pick a position and simply defend it rather than opening our minds to the voices of reason. 

    • aj

      Civil war, brother killing brother.  I’m black and you are most definitely white Gregg. We’re still brothers, but if you want civil war… 

      It’ll be like Cain and Abel up in this bitch. Is that what you want, if not, what the hell is this…

      ” I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Obama is the
      worst thing for race relations since slavery.”

      Take it back Gregg. Trust me.  That was an ignorant statement you made because your “angry” and you were tired when you wrote it after midnight.

      Take it back.

      • Hidan

         Racist Right Wingers tried to post pictures it claimed was Trayvon Martin and kill Trayvon’s name. Turns out many of those pictures wasn’t even trayvon. Beside the fact that Zimmerman had no knowledge of Martin’s facebook and tracked the kid down.

      • Anonymous

        He wont, this chap has made this kind of loaded statement before. And he claims to work with black musicians.

        • Gregg

          What the hell is that? I don’t remember saying I worked with black musicians but maybe I did. I don’t see why I would have said that. I don’t look at musicians (or people) as black or white. I’m not the type who tries to convince people of my character by saying, “My best friend’s black”. I don’t typically go there because it’s a stupid place to be.

      • Gregg

        I don’t want civil war but we’re almost there now. I am speaking out against the sorry-assed state we find ourselves in. I want a colorblind society. I want to expect and demand excellence and integrity from everyone not a different set of rules depending on the color of skin. I’m more of a “Content of character” guy. I want the category of race removed from the census and every other government document. I want a President who in compassionate instead of divisive. I’d like to see a modicum of concern about a bounties being issued by Americans on Americans.

        Yea, I’m angry. Yea, it was late but I’ve written the same thing at various times of the day. How does it feel to be told you are incapable of achievement because of the color of your skin? How does it feel to to have a bunch of do-goody whites wrapping racism in a cloak of concern? “You’re black so you are a poor helpless victim”. I will admit my language is charged. I will also apologize if I offended
        your sensibilities as a black person but IMHO you should be more
        outraged than I am. No, it was not an ignorant statement. Maybe it was stupid but not ignorant. Jefe is right, I will not take it back.

        AJ, I respect your opinions and enjoy your comments even though I disagree with many of them. I probably agree with more. I can’t say you don’t scare me a little, you always have. You have an edge that’s very secure in it’s militancy. You alluded to spending time in prison and that fits the vibe I get. I imagine intimidation is a staple of yours but that’s just the impression I get. It may not be fair. None of that has anything to do with the color of your skin which I did not know and don’t care a wit about.

        • aj

          You can’t tell me that since 1865, when the 13th ammendment was adopted; that over the following 147 years; the most “divisive” thing between black and white people was nuisancesthe election of Obama. 
           
          Whose mother was white, and brought up in Hawaii with his entirely white grandparents.
           
          I’m not saying take back your entire post, I am saying take back the one part,
           
          ” I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Obama is the worst thing for race relations since slavery.”

          because it is patently absurd.  You should qualify it.  Had you said ‘Obama has been the worst thing for race relations in the 21st century’ that would acceptable.  Mistaken but acceptable.

          But since ” slavery”????
          Come on! Just qualify it, so that 100yrs of apartheid, amongst other injustices is not glossed over as mere misunderstandings.

          If you won’t take it back, which I knew you wouldn’t, atleast qualify it.

          • Gregg

            Okay, I’ll qualify it. Obama is the worst thing for race relations I have ever seen. I’ll even admit it’s overstated and possibly absurd. I plead guilty to being overly provocative but I felt the need to frame it that way.

            Here’s the thing, since slavery the country and it’s population have been trying to heal. Emancipation, civil rights, MLK, Rosa Parks, etc. The path has been incredibly slow but steady. Obviously there have been lynchings and other incidents that have been horrible for race relations but even when we take a step or three backwards over time we take more steps forward. The KKK is now a discredited laughing stock but the New Black Panthers are being legitimized. I would like to see more criticism like we’ve seen from former NAACP and original Black Panthers leaders condemning them. They carry more weight. A white person could not say the thing Bill Cosby has said without being labeled as racist. Me? I don’t care. I’ll say it.

            Now, we are going backwards and IMHO Obama is largely to blame. I can’t remember that happening in my lifetime.  Remember the whole bogus story about black churches being burned down in the South and how Clinton lied about witnessing it in his youth? Obama has put implications like that on steroids.

            Thanks AJ, for indulging me… if that’s what you’re doing.

          • aj

            I don’t like Obama same as you, but for different reasons.
             
            Clinton was slime.
             
            The new black panthers are ignorant, but the old black panthers weren’t.  They were the real deal.  That’s why Governor Reagan and then FBI Director Hoover declared virtual war on them.  Murder, bogus criminal charges, and then the CIA pumped crack-cocaine on to the block.
             
            Things have been F’d up ever since.  
             
            MLK would not have been nearly as effective if he hadn’t had MalcolmX and the Black Panthers putting pressure on the other end, willing to use ‘any means necessary’  vis a vis MLK’s Gandhi-Nonviolence methods.
             
            I like the back and forth, and I know you can handle the pushback, that’s why I came at you.  Like a running back, you gave me a ray of light so I hit the hole.  Sometimes I get a first down and sometimes I get the snot knocked out of me.  In the words of your soon to be fearless leader Willard Romney… ” I love sport.”

            When the play is over, we help each other up off the ground and do it again. Brothers, just wearin different uniforms.

          • Gregg

            I hear you AJ and if you need it, I’ve got your back.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          And MY skin color?

    • JustSayin

       Going fishing? I see a can of worms.

      • Gregg

         Tomorrow.

    • Hidan

       A day late?

      Trayvon Martin Death: Police Video Shows No Signs Of Zimmerman’s Injuries

      http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/29/149595353/trayvon-martin-death-police-video-shows-no-signs-of-zimmermans-injuries?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:1cbdde9b-e1ba-475d-9000-df8111a4ff72

      “A police video of George Zimmerman in the hours after he shot and killed Trayvon Martin
      on Feb. 26 does not show any obvious evidence of the injuries Zimmerman
      reportedly received during what he says was an altercation that ended
      with him firing his handgun in self defense.”

      Of course a big part of you wants to cite cause where blacks harmed white cause that’s the person you all. I bet in those cause those blacks were arrested(unlike this one) nor did the police not charge these guys.

      • Hidan

         ”Of course a big part of you wants to cite cases where blacks harmed
        white cause that’s the person you all. I bet in those cases those blacks
        were arrested(unlike this one) nor did the police not charge these
        guys.”

    • Anonymous

      Oh please spare the indignation and false platitudes.
      I see plenty of shallow divisiveness in your comment.

    • Anonymous

       If I’m being stalked by some wackjob, I would find that threatening and, if I needed to, take action, including violence, to protect myself.  I find that to be just as likely as any other explanation of how this escalated to the struggle in which the kid was killed.

      In my analysis, the only real question is whether Trayvon reasonably thought that the guy stalking him was armed with a gun, in which case deadly force in response to the threat was clearly warranted.

      Of course we will never know anything but one side of the story.

      • Anonymous

         I engaged with Gregg on this very point last week. How anyone could do anything but applaud an individual for vigorously defending himself from a gun wielding stranger in the night is a mystery to me.

        • Gregg

           I agree.

      • Gregg

        I agree with you.

    • denis

      “A big part of me wants to cite case after case after case of blacks harming, maiming and killing whites solely because they are white but I refuse to play the same hateful game that is standard fare for the left”
      What a joke…. A typical trick when we want to bring a point into the discussion with showing our biases… You, Greg, did play your hateful game.
      Additionally, how do you justify the security tape showing Zimmerman getting out of the police car with no apparent injuries?
      How do you justify the statements by those that examined the dead body of Trayvon and it showed no sign of a fight – no bruising, no lacerations, etc.
      And finally, it very well could be there was not racism involved in the killing of Trayvon… it may have just been a case of “my right to carry a gun and use it as I wish.”

    • Anonymous

      What you don’t understand is the fact that racism DOES exist in America today. The fact that you or I might not have racist beliefs is irrelevant. Your claim that we should live in a color blind society is admirable, but it’s a wish that is far from being fulfilled any time soon. People have to live in the real world, not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy world that is far removed from reality. I think the kind of hate that is generated by issues involving homosexuality is ridiculous. But it would be foolish of me to suggest that hatred toward gays doesn’t exist simply because I don’t think it should. You also fail to understand that racism isn’t simply a matter of hate. It’s just as frequently a matter of perception. Fifty five years of observation tells me that if Trayvon Martin had been the white seventeen year old captain of the local high school football team, Zimmerman would have gone directly to jail. But he was a black teenager in a hoodie. Perception, my friend. Perception.

      • Gregg

        Your first sentence is wrong. To say racism doesn’t exist would be stupid as hell. That’s not at all what I’m saying.

        Your last sentence is pure speculation.

        • Anonymous

           Perhaps you don’t deny racism, but your repeated claims that we should remain color blind in the face of it is absurd. Victims of racial discrimination or hatred shouldn’t have to turn the other cheek and pretend it doesn’t matter just because you or I don’t engage in it. For several weeks I’ve been reading your comments about race in our society and your belief that it shouldn’t matter and that it wouldn’t matter if all the racist liberals would just let it go. All of us racist liberals won’t let it go because, unfortunately, race in America does matter. Pretending otherwise is just pretending. As to speculation, every opinion posted here about the events in the Tray Martin case is pure speculation. Even yours. I’ll stick with mine.

          • Gregg

            When you say “Victims of racial discrimination or hatred…” do you mean of any race?

          • Anonymous

             Of course I do.

  • AJ

    Thanks for the super-high gas prices President Obama, they’ve increased by more than two dollars since you’ve taken office.

    I can learn to eat only once per day as a result of the high gas prices, just look at how well eating once per day is working in North Korea.

    • Bob

      Yeah, I’ve heard rumors about the big ‘gas price’ dial that resides in the Oval Office. Guess it’s true. I just can’t understand why Obama would want to dial it up so high in an election year…

      I bought a more efficient car. Suggest you do likewise, but suit yourself. I’m sure some oil executives will be getting generous bonuses this year.

      • denis

        Great point Bob, and I would guess you drive that efficient car at a reasonably efficient speed. Nothing is more frustrating than listening on the car radio as people wax on about the President raising the gas prices as gas guzzling vehicle speed by at speeds well beyond the speed limit.
        I t occurs to me we could solve two problems if we would enforce speed limit laws – 1] energy pricing and consumption and 2] government deficits.   
          

    • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

      yes clearly obama is responsible for the high gasoline prices, because gasoline prices are clearly based on the presidents personal desire.  

      lets look at the data: its clear that if not for the recession gasoline prices would be truly outrageous but their upward trend started in early 2007.  
      as we recover the worldwide demand is much greater than it was 5 years ago. despite the fact that national demand is relatively low (for us) its a world market and we should count ourselves lucky that its actually artificially cheaper than other rich nations.

      looking at the attached graph i guess by your logic is clear that obama is responsible for canada’s increase in gasoline price 

      • AJ

        The reason why gas prices have shot up under Obama is due to:

        - his refusal to allow for more offshore oil drilling
         
        - his constant war-mongering rhetoric with Iran which has spooked the oil futures markets

        U.S. demand for oil has decreased, so gas prices should be going down, not up.

        You clearly aren’t interested in the facts.

        • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

          exactly how how does new oild drilling take to effect the market?
          drilling and production are two separate issues.

          the US does not exist in a vacuum it is a fact  that our demand is down, i said that, it is also a fact that the price isn’t strictly due to our consumption its a world market.

          http://business.financialpost.com/2012/03/28/bush-vs-obama-whos-more-oil-friendly/?__lsa=5e1e5f36
           

          • Hidan

             One of the main reasons is due to the sanctions Obama and the congress put on Iran. Which than allowed speculation to run wild once again.

            The WH and Congress choose to do this for Israel’s interest not the U.S. and both decided to spin the narrative.

            The WH says better economy, Europe is doing better and speculators Which Congress blames lack of new oil contracts. The sponsors of the bill to sanction Iran was asked in an Haaretz piece if cared oil prices where going to rise due to sanctions and both congressman/women responded that if was stopping Iran from getting Nukes and worth it.

          • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

            well put

          • aj

            The irony is, that the high oil prices is benefiting Tehran.  India is not going along with the West and Japan’s boycott, and they will continue to pump oil through the pipeline in Baluchistan(Pakistan).

            Bernanke said higher oil prices will be a significant headwind to second half growth coupled with UK and Europe sliding into recession.

            How about that General strike in Espana yesterday.  I love that shit.  Americans would never do that nowadays.  The 1% has effectively neutered them.

            They lack the cojones.

          • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

            also correct

          • Hidan

             
            “The WH says better economy, Europe is doing better and speculators and than which Congress blames lack of new oil contracts. The sponsors of the bill to sanction Iran was asked in an Haaretz piece if  cared that the oil prices where going to rise due to sanctions and both congressman/women responded that it was stopping Iran from getting Nukes and was worth it.”

        • Anonymous

          You seem to have a problem with understanding the facts. Oil is a commodity sold on the open market.
          You do know it can take years for a well to be viable and for the oil to come on the market. If we started drill on every inch of the Gulf, which would be a foolish thing to do, it would have no affect on the price of oil now, or in the year. After that it’s pure peculation as to what the price will be.
          Ahhh, there’s that word again, speculation.

        • Anonymous

          Aren’t the Obama critics supposed to claim that he is weak on Iran?  Romney, Newt and santorum all claim he is.

        • Sam Walworth

          How do you explain then oil prices going for the crude in global market?

          - Drilling may allow a bit of abundance in domestic market (in 5 – 10 years when its completed)

          - Obama Administration has been bullied by almost all the GOP candidates of NOT being tough on Iran

          - US has been exporting Diesel because US uses more Gasoline/Petrol than Diesel.

          - We have abundance of CNG (Natural Gas) however we REFUSE to convert our fleets (cars, buses, minivans, trucks, semis etc) to CNG unlike other countries like India 

        • Bob

           Peak oil, darling.  Or is that fact a little too inconvenient?

        • BEEZ

          Again, Obama has been clear that his preferred method of dealing with Iran is via diplomatic means. It’s McCain, Romney etc that have “beating the drums of war”.
          Now, our support of Israel is another problem, but that is MUCH bigger than the Office of The President, so it’s not like Obama is going to change the relationship we have with the Terrorist State of Israel.

        • Anonymous

          Not only has U.S. demand for gasoline decreased, but the domestically produced supply is UP (and the use of domestically supplied natural gas to refine it from crude oil makes it the cheapest produced gasoline in the world) so if the cost of gasoline was set by factors within the U.S., it WOULD be cheaper. But note from an AP investigation, the price of gasoline has no statistical relation to the amount of oil produced within the U.S.; it would be at $2 a gallon if there were:

          http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/03/28/453894/debunking-american-petroleum-institute-claims-about-oil-issues/
          But the crazy money wants the American people to believe their false story.

    • Anonymous

      Republicans like to say that gas was under $2 when Obama took office. What they don’t tell you is why.

      Gas prices reached their all time peak when Bush was president in July 2008 at over $4. Then the economy cratered, demand dried up, and gas prices fell to under $2 in the next 6 months. That’s when Obama took office.

      The economy has been expanding since Obama’s stimulus bill kicked in and gas prices have risen back to what they were before the crash.

      See the chart below if you want to see the shock to the system caused by the crash of 2008.

      Like so many Republican talking points, this one is another stupid pet trick. It only sounds persuasive if you’re uninformed.

      • TFRX

        GOP talking points and a propaganda press results in voters who are uninformed? That’s a feature, not a bug.

        While we’re on the subject, check out gas price graphics from Fox News v. the real world:

        • Bob

           Oh my God, that was a brilliant post! 

    • JustSayin

       But you did like the spate of warm weather that Obama created?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        To ALLIEVATE some of the effects of the Wall Street increase of fuel prices?  THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT!!

    • Anonymous

      Presidents don’t control gas prices, just like they don’t control the stock market. Wait, methinks Wall Street has some control over the price at the pump, in fact maybe to much.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      President Obama is trying to take us to renewable energy, which ensures National Energy Security, by making it almost impossible for other nations, or interests to interfere with our energy production and use?
         The oil, coal, gas, and nuclear industries keep us VULNERABLE to imported fuels, and their EXPORTING of the fuels! 
         Would you really worry about the exporting of electricity , produced by wind, solar, and other renewables, HERE? 
         As long as oil, coal, and nuclear executives CAN, they WILL raise the price of their products?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Did you raise such cane, when ‘W’, an ‘oilman’, Cheney, an ‘oilman’, Condi, an ‘oil-woman’, RAISED those same fuel prices?  OR, are you just an ignorant bigot?

    • ana

      YOur comment is so devoid of reason, so shallow  and laced with hyperbole, it adds nothing to the discussion.  Perhaps you could find another vent your disdain for the President.  There are sites devoted solely to that end.

    • Anonymous

      And I thought the high prices were because the oil execs weren’t paid enough millions and their companies tax breaks weren’t large enough.

    • BEEZ

      Higher gasoline prices were a major motivational factor in starting the war on terrorism. If I recall than Senator Obama was fiercly opposed to starting the pre-emptive war. As President and commander-in-chief, it would be irresponsible to have pulled the plug on the entire operation once he took office, considering what the nation had invested up to that point.
      Do you really think he is responsible? Domestic production is much higher under Obama. Therefore, your opinion is null and void.
      Thank you come again!

  • Bob

    Question: I’m reading about the major changes Apple’s Chinese parts supplier, Foxconn, has announced. It seems that at least some of the claims made in the recently retracted This American Life episode were accurate. I’m curious to know what your panel thinks about NPR’s role as the potential motivator behind these recent developments?

  • Ed

    This week the Pope went to the geographical center of Mexico and to Cuba and met with enormous crowds. He encouraged peole to work against the drug trade in Mexico; he encouraged the Cuban people to construct a society of freedom and justice in this time of transition (like Pope John Paul in Poland); he reminded everyone, even the U.S., of the central human right of religious freedom and freedom of conscience.

    And he’s 85 years old.

    • AJ

      I wish our President would encourage the Mexican people to fight drugs.

      What’s the Obama Administration’s answer to fighting drugs?

      Eric Holder’s Justice Dept. sold thousands of AK-47 assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels (Operation Fast and Furious), which were used to murder at least three U.S. Border Patrol agents.

      How many episodes has On Point devoted to Operation Fast and Furious?

      Zero.  On Point wouldn’t want to expose the crimes of the Obama Administration.

      • Gregg

        “Fast and Furious” is a big deal. Holder is corupt and incompetent. Why would On Point tell that truth?

      • Anonymous

        “Fast and Furious” was just the latest of a number of “gun-walking” actions to try to reduce the number of guns bought by shell buyers for Mexican drug gangs. While trying to do something to reduce gun trafficking, the BATF badly misstepped, but there is no reason to believe that the murders would not have occurred with other smuggled guns if these “operations” had not been implemented.

    • JustSayin

       I like the part of the bible where Jesus declares the pope as God’s presence on earth. Let me see… Its in here somewhere… It must be here???

    • Terry Tree Tree

      The RIGHT to Molest and Abuse children, while threatening them with Eternal Damnation, if they tell?
         THAT ‘Justice’?
         Was the pope looking for MORE VICTIMS for pedophile priests?
         Was the pope trying to divert attention from the ATTROCITIES of the Roman Child-Molesting and Child-Abusing church?

  • Jim978

    Regardless of how the Supreme Court decides the health care case, I hope Chief Justice Roberts can follow the example of Earl Warren.  In the Brown v. Topeka Board of Education case, Warren recognized the danger of a closely divided court and worked hard to produce a unanimous decision.  I don’t expect a unanimous decision in this case, but a 5-4 ruling would be a disaster (in my opinion).  The health care fate of millions of Americans should not be decided by a single individual.

    • Gregg

      It will only be a disaster if the court upholds it by whatever margin.

  • AJ

    Best Buy to close 50 big box stores and lay-off thousands of retail employees
    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0329/Best-Buy-closings-steep-cuts.-More-to-come

    Let me guess, somebody’s got a graph to show that the lousy economy is not Obama’s fault.

    • JustSayin

      Why didn’t they apply for a bailout or a subsidy, like the monopolies. That’s American free market capitalism. Perhaps there should be a technology tax, so the losses can be socialized. Do not pass GO, do not collect 200 million…

    • TFRX

      Best Buy’s travails are pretty well documented on sites like Consumerist. I’ll figure that it had something to do with too many happy customers at NewEgg, too many grandparents no longer buying CDs as gifts for their teenage grandkids, and the “upcreep” upscaling of Walmart into the territory of Smartphones and such.

      Their issues, I think, say more about Best Buy than any politician.

      (And after Circuit City shot themselves in the foot a few years ago, I thought BB knew what not to do.)

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Best Buy deflected my questions about leaving Microsoft Vista on a disc, so I could try Linux, until I had purchased my computer, then gave me a song and dance that they couldn’t do that, for some un-stated reason.
         I found out later that Microsoft ‘indoctrinated’ ALL key Best Buy employees to do this, and that it really WASN’T impossible.  BAD TASTE!!!

  • SteveV

    When it comes to race relations, we have never developed an atmosphere where we can openly discuss this issue. Many white people carry false beliefs about blacks; however, they cannot express them without being labeled a “racist”. And if they cannot be openly discussed and debated, how do attitudes change? Over my lifetime I’ve heard hundreds of (white) conversations about blacks, all done in private and not for publication. If said in public these conversations would have had people fired from their jobs and hounded for being a “racist”. Until such time as we are able to talk to each other in an open and honest manner, respecting each others beliefs (no matter how false or absurd) we will never make progress in race relations.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      MOST of those people having ignorant conversations about blacks, CHOOSE to remain ignorant of blacks, so they can perpetuate their pre-judged misconceptions! 
          I DO discuss the problems that these ignorant racists, with my black friends, and acquaintenances!  From a position of honest discussion and curiosity, NOT from a position of White Supremist!
         ‘They’ are ‘us’, with a HUGE obvious handicap to obtaining justice, jobs, honest equal consideration, and MANY other arranged problems, just because of their skin color? 
         TOTALLY put your prejudice aside, and HONESTLY talk openly with a few black people.  Be WARNED, that it will take a LONG time before they trust you enough to talk openly, and you just might LEARN something?

    • Questioner

       That’s the problem SteveV.  Racists don’t want to be called racists.  Guess what?  Some folks steal and lie profusely when young, but then they break the habit.  If your kid is a liar and a thief, are you not gonna call your kid a liar and a thief?  What, you’re gonna pretend he/she is not because you don’t want him/her to feel sad?  Same thing with racists who don’t like to be labelled as racists.  You are saying the conversation should start by not calling racists racists.  And where does that logically get anyone?  Truly imagine that conversation.  Person of x race notices that what y says is racist, but cannot point it out for fear of hurting y’s feelings.  Person x then clams up because person x does know what to say.  Person x is expected to talk about racism while not calling racism by it’s name when it is noticed.  Well, in the conversation, you may say something that’s racist and others may tell you so.  If you cannot bear that, then the discussion will not be had, end of discussion.

  • SteveV

    As to gas prices, every day thousands of new drivers take to the worlds highways
    and begin to consume more of a finite resource. Many of these cultures are where
    we were in the 50′s, learning the “freedom” that comes with the automobile. I’m
    not an expert on oil, but I do know that every driver in the world is now
    bidding for every gallon of fuel being produced and in any competing situation
    the highest bidder wins. It appears to me that in a free market system we may no
    longer be the highest bidder. It never ceases to amaze me how, in times of
    cultural stress, so many people can offer such simple “solutions” to such
    complex problems. Simplify, simplify. They certainly do, facts be damned.

  • Markus

    I learned long ago in college that in a discussion on race, you either keep quiet or focus on slavery, Jim Crow, in general how much white people have mistreated blacks. Today, it’s the same. If you want to stay employed, never talk publicly about children having children, high black crime on crime, the progress made by other races, etc. When I hear on radio that we’re going to have a dialog on race, I can count on 90% of it being how bad white people are.

    • Markus

      obviously, I meant black on black crime

      • Terry Tree Tree

        It WASN’T that obvious!  With the tenor of the other statements, your racism wasn’t hidden enough.
            ALL your ‘valid complaints’ against blacks and other minorities are VALID in Appalachia, and MANY other places, except the same problems are caused by whites!

        • Hidan

           shhhhs. His point is when whites kill blacks and get away with it others should be quite cause somewhere blacks killed blacks and didn’t get away with it.

    • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

      so on one degree you are correct but the treatment of blacks by white is inexorably linked with the current treatment and interface between black and white america. but black america does indeed need to have inward reflection also. 

    • SteveV

      Make that 100%. And apparently there’s no such thing as black on white crime, at least according to the media. Only problem is, many of us know better but can’t (openly) discuss it.

    • Hidan

      Yep all those non-racist. Must suck people can’t call blacks the N word anymore.

      • Markus

        Thanks for making my point.

        • Hidan

           NP, if only we could return to the good old days right?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Your point is that you wish to go around calling people a term that offends, hurts, reminds them of subjugation, lynchings for trivial offenses, etc…?
             If you TRY REAL HARD, I’ll bet that you can do that with white, Christian, males!  Take your consequences like a man?

    • Questioner

      What you should have learned in college is that you should never talk about race period.  

  • Sabrina Nuchke

    Who were:
    Salvador Guersson Smecke
    Saur Ben Zvi
    and what in the world they were doing in Mexico?

  • Hidan

      John Flynn (JohnFlynn) wrote:
    “Zimmerman:
    Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he’s coming to check me out, he’s got
    something in his hands, I don’t know what his deal is.Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok DISPATCHER ASKS ZIMMERMAN TO KEEP WATCHING.Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here? ZIMMERMAN IS ANXIOUS FOR POLICEDispatcher: Yeah we’ve got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else. Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. .ZIMMERMAN INDICATES PAST EXPERIENCE WITH FLEEING SUSPECTS. Zimmerman: (Giving directions) . . Shit he’s running. Dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running?Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood. INDICATING A PATH OUT OF THE COMPLEX.Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards? Zimmerman: The back entrance…fucking [unintelligible] Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don’t need you to do that. Zimmerman: Ok ZIMMERMAN COMPLIES.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:
     
    While America is waiting for the outcome of the Trayvon’s murder. The media is contributing to the demise of the Afghanistan war. The dominoe effect of the sky rage by airline employees and the decision for a healthcare reform to save human lives is critical bu to start a war the decision is decisive.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:
     
    While America is waiting for the outcome of the Trayvon’s murder. The media is contributing to the demise of the Afghanistan war. The dominoe effect of the sky rage by airline employees and the decision for a healthcare reform to save human lives is critical but to start a war the decision is decisive.

    • aj

      FAX68 your posts to this forum are indispensable in my humble opinion.  But one post each will do just fine.
      ;-)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        blame my work comp model 2000. i clicked once but came out twice.

  • Hidan

    Week in the news,

    Andrew Sullivan shows the emperor has no clothes (Jeffey Goldberg that is)

    Well, isn’t that something: a government prepared to lie to its ally, risk escalation of what would be a global war, cynically exploit the Holocaust in a bluff, and do so via a journalist at the Atlantic.

    Coming from the Daily Beast
    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/03/goldberg-and-netanyahu-bluffing-or-bluffing.html

    “If [Netanyahu] has been bluffing the whole time (even in concert with good-cop Obama), it’s been a bluff that has so far worked magnificently well.”Three cheers for being used! Maybe at the end of this, we’ll get the full scale US-led war against Iran that so many neocons want. I’m not saying Jeffrey

  • Terry Tree Tree

    ASTOUNDING!!  ALL the people that are making DIRECT, important decisions about Health Care in the U.S., are essentially RICH MECICARE Recipients!! 
        THEY ALL receive the BEST Health Care, paid for by the taxpayers!!  
        Yet, MANY of them don’t feel that those taxpayers, that pay their health care, salaries, mail costs, and MANY other personal benefits, don’t deserve Affordable Health Care?
       THEY don’t have to spend endless hours scouring the obscure  contracts of RICH Insurance executives, deal with the obfustication of the Insurance companies, with their foreign call centers, and other means of blocking their clients from SERVICE, which most of them tout?
       THEY get the BEST, and give their constituents the WORST, because they CAN?

    • Hidan

      Just like all the people in congress making laws for the poor and middle class are in the top 10%.

  • Hidan

    Also week in the news,

    Israel denies entry to the U.N. Human Rights to investigate the terrorism,torture and land grab of settlers and the Israeli government in the West Bank and the only nation that voted against it was…..drum rolll…………………You guess it the U.S.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17510668

    Israel has cut working relations with the UN Human Rights Council, officials say, after it decided to investigate Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

    It will also prevent a UN team entering Israel to assess the effects of settlements on Palestinian rights.

    Last Thursday, the Human Rights Council voted by 36 to one, with 10 abstentions, to send an independent international fact-finding mission to look into the issue.

    Because(or one of the many reasons)

    Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15753945

    Here’s the kicker,

    Israel is reportedly also considering sanctions against the Palestinian Authority in response to the Human Rights Council decision.

    yet,

    Pentagon Wants More Money For Israel’s Iron Dome

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=149472764&plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:1c8651d1-62fb-4dc0-8475-595c4aab6991

  • Patrik

    News of the Week:  Healthcare reform.  Here is another tragic example of where things are heading.  People need to wake up and stop caring only about themselves and money and start caring for one another…

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10926817-hospital-mom-booted-from-er-who-died-in-jail-was-treated-appropriately

  • Hidan

    Liberal democracy (week in the news)

    Arab citizens excluded from Independence Day torch-lighting

    The Knesset committee in charge of organizing the torch-lighting ceremony for Independence Day has come up with this year’s list of participants–and it doesn’t include any Arabs. While Knesset members criticized the exclusion of minorities, the move reflects reality of life in Israel.
    http://972mag.com/arab-citizens-of-israel-excluded-from-independence-day-torch-lighting/39632/

    MK Yitzhak Herzog (Labor) called the exclusion of Arabs from the ceremony a “failure of the government.”

    In previous years, Palestinian citizens of Israel have been included in the ceremony

    Liberal democracy(week in the news)

    IDF colonel-rabbi implies: Rape is permitted in war

    http://972mag.com/idf-colonel-rabbi-implies-rape-is-permitted-in-war/39535/

    Is it permitted for a Jewish soldier to rape a gentile woman during wartime? This question – based on the biblical mitzvah of Eshet Yefat Toar (“a comely woman”) – was referred to nine years ago (Hebrew) by Rabbi Eyal Qarim. The questioning party seemed anxious and worried, and wanted to know whether the iron-age mitzvah (religious deed) is applicable to IDF soldiers today.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    James Cameron reached the depth of the Marianas Trench, the deepest place in the ocean!!! 

  • Terry Tree Tree

    The head of the Roman Child-Molesting and Child-Abusing church is in Cuba, to teach them how to Molest and Abuse children? 
       OR, is it to take attention off the church’s ENDLESS CRIMES?

    • Hidan

       The man who supposedly speaks for god has to stay behind a bullet proof glass.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        He knows how well God will protect him?

        • Anonymous

          He appears to be immune from prosecution.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            God’s job is to protect pedophiles, and their cronies, from prosecution?    
               What a beneficient God?

        • ray

          its a signe of god!!! lol

  • Anonymous

    Rethuglicons vote to lower taxes for rich, cut programs for poor. Like, really, WTF?!

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gop-budget-20120330,0,7787368.story

    “WASHINGTON — In a vote that will help define theRepublican Party in this election year and beyond, the GOP-led House approved a 2013 budget that would cut taxes for the wealthy, revamp Medicare and slash federal spending.…”
    [clip]

    People are only going to take so much of this…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/mar/29/spain-general-strike-rebellion-austerity

    “With near-empty railway stations, shut factories, mass marches and occasional outbreaks of violence during a general strike on Thursday, Spaniards showed the first signs of rebellion against the reformist, austerity-preaching conservative government they voted in four months ago.”
    [clip]

    http://news.yahoo.com/spanish-strike-test-tolerance-austerity-055258952.html

    “BARCELONA/MADRID (Reuters) – Spanish workers angry at alabor reform the government calls an “unstoppable” necessity staged a general strike on Thursday, bringing factories and ports to a standstill and igniting flashes of violence on the streets.Hundreds of thousands attended largely peaceful marches throughout Spain, waving red flags and beating drums against the budget cuts of Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, who was elected by a landslide only four months ago on a mandate to dig the country out of a debt crisis that has unnerved its European neighbors.”[clip]

  • Terry Tree Tree

    71 years old, and Cheney gets a heart?  Will he use it to correct all that he has done wrong?

    • Anonymous

      That requires a brain transplant.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        THANKS!!!   I forgot that important facet?  Will we have to wait 71 MORE years? 

  • Terry Tree Tree

    If Zimmerman stalked Treyvon, after 911 dispatch told him NOT to, HOW could he say it was self-defense?  Stalking someone while YOU are armed, in a vehicle, then on foot, is self-defense?

    • Anonymous

      The SYG law does not say you have to avoid situations that put you in fear for you life, just that if you are in a situation in which you fear for your life, you do no have a duty to retreat.  Zimmerman having done that either intentionally or stupidly, is relying on the law as his defense.

      • Jim978

        You may not have to avoid situations that put your in fear for your ife, but does the SYG law empower you to create the situation that causes you to fear for your life?

        • Anonymous

          I think the law is neutral on how the situation arises.  One case often mentioned is a guy who was at a park and was being harassed by someone.  The guy went home and got his gun, went back to the park, and the harasser start in on him again, the guy shot the other guy.  Shooter was not prosecuted because of SYG.  The shooter could have easily just stayed home and watched TV, but having put himself in a situation where he felt threaten pulled an SYG.

          • Jim978

            If the law is completely neutral, it seems to me that it could lead to some (presumably) unintended results.  Let’s say the first party approaches the second party in a way that makes the second party feel threatened.  The second party pulls a gun, making the first party feel threatened.  Both fearing for their lives shoot and both are fatally wounded.  We have two dead people, both of whom acted lawfully?

            Am I the only one who doubts that this is what any rational legislature might have had in mind?

  • ana

    Perhaps the new technology in the 21st century is leading to the demise of Best Buy. 
    I went looking for a cd radio system for my home;  the selections was abysmal as people turn to ipods, etc.
    While many homes have one giant TV, other members of the  family are watching shows on their computer.
     
    The lousy economy is not Obama’s fault.  The world is in transition.  Lacking mature, wise leaders in the US capable of putting the common good before  their own personal gain,  capable of compromise, a whole generation is at risk of being left behind, if not completely plundered.

    Other civilized  countries, having put the health care issue to rest years ago are poised to deal with the other threats to the well being of it’s citizens, while the SCOTUS  dwells upon the ludicrous fear that we may all have to eat brocolli by govt. mandate.
     
     

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Good Ones!! Thanks!

  • Terry Tree Tree

    WOW!!  Gingrich, Santorum, and Romney are jealous that President Obama beat them to using “If I had a son, he would look like Treyvon.”?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Mark Levin: “If I had another son; he would probably look  like Brian Terry”

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Total Energy has a major natural gas leak in a North Sea oil well, but they will tell you that they have this ‘safety thing’ down pat?
     
       HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF MILES OF GULF COAST HAVE BEEN FOULED FOR DECADES, BY WIND-TURBINES?   BY SOLAR COLLECTORS?  BY BIO-DIESEL PRODUCTION PLANTS?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I don’t see any of them out there

    • William

      How many millions of people have moved out of poverty here in the USA and around the world by having access to affordable electricity produced by natual gas?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        What percentage of electricity has been produced from natural gas?
           I have worked on coal-burners, hydro-electric, and nuclear plants.

  • denis

    It seems totally unacceptable for Justice Scalia to state it would be cruel and unusual punishment to require him to read a law he is ruling on. More correctly it is cruel and unusual punishment for the common citizen to have to live with rulings that Scalia is involved in. Isn’t he paid to read the law he is ruling on?

    • William

      Not according to Nancy Pelosi. They passed that bill befored finding out what was in the bill. So Justice Scalia is just using the Pelosi rule.

      • denis

        can you cite a source for the Pelosi quote.

        • Gregg

          Do you live in a cave?

          • denis

            as usual, still no source

          • Gregg

            You really need to pay closer attention or get other news sources. I can’t believe I have to do this. From now on just take my word for it, I don’t lie.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

    • Anonymous

      It’s ridiculous of course. 

      Maybe the newly minted legal principle will be termed the “Scalia rule”:  We justices don’t have to follow established precedent if we feel it’s too much trouble.

      Would I would have given to be that lawyer and responded “you honor, all we expect is for you to do your job, even if it involves putting in lots of time and effort.”

  • Mr. Trees

    I love the woman’s sign in the photo for this hour.  Mostly, because I have no idea which side of the argument it is on.  If it said “Keep the GOVERNMENT out fo my healthcare” it would be clear. Since it says “politics” though, it makes me think maybe she is concerned that politics will ruin and repeal the now installed healthcare bill. 

    • Anonymous

      “… because I have no idea which side of the argument it is on.”

      Could have solved that by reading the caption.

      • Mr. Trees

        Not really my point.  I was thinking more along the lines of if I simply saw the sign I would not know which side of the argument it was fighting. Life does not always supply captions, but I am happy that I gave you an opportunity to flex your trolling superiority.

        • Anonymous

          Fair enough, but a bet that she was of the Tea Party persuasion would not be misplaced.

  • Drew You Too

    I am coming to think more and more as the days pass that the Trayvon Martin tragedy was more a result of economic profiling than it was a racially motivated killing. I do not mean to diminish the racial implications of the case in any way, only George Zimmerman knows the true motivations for his actions. It just seems to me that it’s far more likely that Zimmerman thought “Hey, there’s someone who doesn’t belong here (in my gated community). He must be after MY stuff!” than it is that he thought “Hey, there’s a black kid. He must be after MY stuff!”. Either way the “must be after MY stuff” motivation appears to me to be at the core of the assault.

    I hear so many recently complaining about Class-Warfare simply because someone dares voice the opinion that unmitigated greed has consequences. I feel (again, just my opinion) that the  Martin death is a much clearer demonstration of Class Warfare. But what do I know?

    • Patrik

      The population has been trained by marketers to only care about making as much money as they can, no matter what, so they can buy all their stuff that they peddle.  If you don’t have this lexus, youre unsuccessful. if you don’t have this mansion, unsuccessful.  So to your point, instead being considerate of the other person or thinking rationally, our decisions and thinking are driven by money and our stuff, if we gain or lose.  Folks this is what decays a society from the inside, there are warning signs but nobody wants to see them.

      • Drew You Too

        Agreed. Unfortunately slamming on the brakes when the bus has already left the cliff won’t stop our descent.

  • Anonymous

    On the Trayvon Martin case:
    As it stands, a court will
    never determine the facts. If Zimmerman had caused Martin’s death by
    ANY other means, other than a gun, (vehicle, fist fight, accident, etc.)
    he would have been arrested for manslaughter, the police would have done
    a timely investigation, and he would be tried to determine guilt or
    innocence. The “stand your ground” law coupled w/ the racial bias of
    the local cops, has allowed him to skate. As it was the dead kid had
    post mortem tox tests (positive for skittles), but not Zimmerman. The
    cops issued a highly questionable investigative report a month after the
    event that appears to contradict eye witness testimony and video
    showing Zimmerman uninjured. Martin lived a couple blocks from the
    scene, and was en route between his home and a nearby convenience store.
    I’m not sure if he lived in the gated community, or was just cutting
    through en route to the store, but either way, he was confronted and
    shot because Zimmerman said he “looked like he didn’t belong”. (This,
    in a mixed race neighborhood). If a property owner has a potentially
    hazardous feature in their yard – like a pool – it is required they
    fence it off to protect trespassers from the danger. But if a gated
    community has a private armed guard with a prior for assault on the loose, but no serious intent or devices to keep outsiders out, that’s
    acceptable? WTF .
    Some gun rights nuts are already preemptively screeching about potential 2nd amendment infringement stemming from this incident.  To wit: The Second Amendment:‎”A
    well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
    the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”
    Maybe we should make participation in “a well regulated militia” a
    prerequisite for bearing arms, just like the 2nd amendment implies…

  • Anonymous

    Re: Gas prices.

    I must laugh.  I can recall in the late ’70′s my dad sending me out before
    school to wait in line to gas up the car.  Many probably don’t recall
    rationing and being only able to buy gas on alternate days depending on whether
    your license plate ended in an odd or even number.  As prices rise, we
    continue to have uninterrupted supplies.  What is rarely said is the price
    of heating oil.  Thanks to the warm winter, I will probably have a balance
    on my heating oil budget plan that will lessen any increase in next years plan.

     

    In 35 +/- years since, we have done squat to create technologies
    for alternative energy sources and ween ourselves off imported oil and fossil
    fuels.  

     

    Meanwhile, in the same time period we have seen the death of the
    8-track tape, LP, cassette and almost the CD.  

     

    In a heartbeat we went from bulky relatively small TV’s to
    gigantic flat screens.  

     

    Bulky sluggish PC’s that you could only do one thing at a time on
    and that you could barely use to balance your check book turned into flat tablets
    we carry around to read, listen to music and watch movies anywhere anytime.

     

    We went dialtone phones to touchtone to now a movement to totally
    cellular.  

     

    While the transporter still needs to be worked out, we have the
    equivalent of the tricorder and communicator from Star Trek.

    • William

      Most if not all advances in technology are driven by the market place. The alternative energy programs have failed in the market place.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Entrenched Interests, that get Tax Relief, Federal Subsidies, and MANY OTHER government assistances (Corporate Welfare), are fighting renewables with lies, restrictions, and MANY other methods?

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           Most of the big renewable projects are killed by environmentalists.

          The environmentalists are blocking a power line project that will allow access to renewable power from hydro Quebec.

        • William

          Who get’s the largest share of tax breakes, assistance etc..oil, nuclear, or alternative energy programs?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Oil, and coal, have had some form of BIG subsidies, tax-breaks, or other government help for over 100 years!  Nuclear, for over 60 years! 
                If we invested ALL that money into renewables, the U.S. would HAVE REAL Energy Security!

          • William

            It makes sense to give tax breaks to the oil industry because they produce a product that we all need and it works. The renewable industry is now receiving the largest share of the pie and it is not producing afordable energy. Like it or not, eventually, unless renewable energy becomes affordable, reliable and plentyful it won’t survive.

          • Anonymous

            Are you kidding.  Between publicly built and maintained highways and roads, actual tax credits and benefits, use of military might to defend transport lanes, not to even mention to keep a lid on the areas of the where petroleum is located, oil interests receive infinitely more subsidy in a year than the rest have ever gotten.

  • corb

    Maybe another point to make:

    Why does the media seem to ignore that Trayvon Martin was entitled to the same “Stand your ground” law?  The boy was being pursued by a man with a gun: Wouldn’t the same law permit the boy to defend himself “with fists” if need be?

    • corb

      Even if Trayvon did slam Zimmerman’s head, wouldn’t it be a case of self-defense?  –especially if Zimmerman aimed the gun…

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Even indicating that he was armed, would be SYG reason for someone to attack him after such a stalk?

      • Amy

        Yes, if some man were acting toward me as strangely as Zimmerman was toward Martin, you can bet I would fight him tooth and nail. Oh, but as white woman, I am allowed to do that.

        • BEEZ

          I think we need to – at least for now- keep race out the discussion of this specific case. It is relevant to the societal issue-at-large, but in terms of this case, we don’t know if race played a factor beyond Zimmerman perhaps being “primed” by racial stereotypes.
          I think the gun laws and this STUPID stand your ground law are more specific to the case.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Fifty years ago, you COULDN’T, if he was your husband, or father!

      • Anonymous

        No, only gun owners are entitled to special rights.  The NRA wasn’t paying to protect nonmembers when they lobbied for it. 

        • TFRX

          Tangent at large: Why isn’t the NRA saying “If only Trayvon Martin was carrying a weapon?”

  • AJ

    Obama budget defeated 414-0!

    http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/mikeshedlock/2012/03/30/obama_budget_defeated_4140

    Anybody out there still think that Obama is a competent leader?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       No budget in 4 years.

      Now, THAT is leadership.

      • AJ

        I agree with you.

        Obama is in no way a competent leader.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        By a Republican Congress that can ONLY say ‘NO’, except to the RICH?

    • Anonymous

      Anybody remember Reagan’s dead on arrival budgets?  The President merely proposes the budget.  It is up to congress to actually pass the budget for the presidents signature.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    You can lead a Bush to broccoli, but you can’t make them eat it?

  • TomK in Boston

    General Ryan launches class warfare blitzkrieg with his incredible budget of tax cuts for the elite, a party for the military-industrial complex, and cuts in everything that benefits the middle class. General Ryan makes great use of Goebbels “big lie” technique, referring to turning medicare into a Groupon as “saving medicare for the kids” and turning what’s left of our middle class society into a dog-eat-dog, social Darwinist free for all the “path to prosperity”.

    Man, this is evil! Seems to me that “saving medicare for the kids” would be giving them the same robust program we have now, not turning it into a Groupon that won’t cover costs. I wonder if anyone who takes their Ryan Groupon to WellPoint will feel “saved”? 

    We’ll be hearing more about privatizing SS and how it is “unsustainable” despite a trust fund that is good for 20 yrs or so.

    Hang on to your hats. To use a WW2 analogy, the phony class war is over, it’s May 1940, and Gen Ryan is ready to roll!

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Our debt is $16T and growing.  Under Obama’s budget proposal the debt skyrockets.  So Obama’s plan ruins the country for our children.

      Bring it on.  Voters aren’t as stupid as you believe.

      • Anonymous

        So why aren’t we raising additional revenue dedicated to debt reduction?

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           We should be.  However, the best way of doing this is to grow the economy more rapidly through tax reform and regulatory reform.

          This approach has the double benefit of raising more money and reduce the need for  spending on welfare programs.

          Every democrat proposal for tax increase – from the Buffet rule to tax increases on the rich doesn’t raise enough money to significantly cut into the deficit, let alone the debt.  They are simply campaign gimmicks designed to divide the country by class.

          • TomK in Boston

            Please. Skyrocketing inequality because of tax cuts and other class warfare is what is dividing the country by class.

            Claiming that even more tax cuts will grow the economy after the bush tax cuts didn’t grow the economy is ideology that only a sheep would believe.

            Tax cuts do the obvious, they decrease revenue and “starve the beast”, justifying more cuts to what the middle class needs.

            Turning medicare into a little Groupon is NOT “saving” it, Worried.  Put down the kool-aid. Saving medicare is preserving it in its present form by controlling costs (what you call death panels) and maybe providing more revenue. 

      • TomK in Boston

        Blah blah, the big bad debt is used to scare the sheep into giving up a decent developed society.

        A major cause of the debt is the bush/obama tax cuts. Tell me, Worried, why is General Ryan. who is so, so, deeply, deeply concerned about the debt, proposing even more tax cuts? Could it be that he is more interested in class warfare than the debt?

        If I had my knickers in a twist over the big bad debt, I’d sure be “Worried” about a budget with massive tax cuts!

      • TomK in Boston

        Giving our children Ryan Groupons for health care and cutting everything else that helps the middle class to enable tax cuts for the elite is what ruins the country for our children.

        What’s stupid is falling for this transparent big bad debt scare tactic. Stupid, stupid.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           The bipartisan Ryan-Wyden plan is pro-choice.  The consumer gets to choose.

          You are the one with the scare tactics.

          If Medicare is not reformed then it will collapse.  Even Obama has stated this.  However, Obama offers ZERO solutions. 

          Maybe Obama will be more FLEXIBLE after the election.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Name SPECIFICALLY, the Republicans that have provided evidence against ALL of their contributors that have ANY part in Medicare FRAUD!  Brought charges against them?  
          OR, are they just HYPOCRITES?

  • Joe in JP

    It seems to me that arguing against the mandate puts republicans in an awkward spot.  The very best argument against the mandate is that some people just don’t have enough money to pay for insurance. At the same time, republicans hate the poor so much that they don’t want to be perceived as sticking up for them.  Fascinating, really.

  • corb

    Most people are born in medical facilities.  You need health care on day one of human existence in this country.

    • Iowan

       Yes, you need health care.  You don’t necessarily need health INSURANCE.

      My father is 100% opposed to the notion of health insurance.  He raised 6 children, and paid 100% out of pocket for all their births, diseases, surgeries, etc.  He was NOT subsidized by anyone paying higher premiums.  If the law is upheld, he will continue to pay out of pocket, and pay the fee if he has to – he will not be forced to buy insurance.

      • Bob

         Works great if you’re wealthy.  But a bout with cancer can run into the millions.  So what happens then?  Declare bankruptcy?  Or try to get on insurance?  Or rely on the government to safety net you? 

    • Anonymous

      Considering that the average cost for childbirth in 2009 was $15,799 for a non-cesarean delivery and $21,495 for a cesarean you had better have insurance or some money saved up.

      The cost seems to vary a bit I have also seen some averages that quote $9,280 as the cost of childbirth, but this figure was lumping in all births.

      What is interesting is my daughter was born in Scotland and a friend of ours happened to had a daughter the same year in Seattle in 1989, they paid about $5000 for the birth and went home in a day.
      We paid nothing and my ex stayed in for 5 days, had a pint of Guinness thrown in as well. Oh and we also had a midwife visit us once a week for the fist month and then once a month for the next few months. All from our NH card and from the NH tax we paid. No extra charges.

  • Ron in Iowa

    What kind of Justice never asks a question? Clarence Thomas, according to the WSJ hasn’t asked a question in 6 years. 

    • Drew You Too

      “What kind of Justice never asks a question?”

      The kind that is certain they already know the answers. Ridiculous isn’t it?

    • Heather

      The kind that gets appointed because the color of his skin and not his accomplishments!

      • William

        Similar to a “wise Lantina Sotomayer?

        • TFRX

          Any time you want to provide context, instead of act like you’ve deliverd a knock-em-dead punchline, go ahead.

          • William

            Less is best when expressing one’s opinion.

      • Gregg

        I understand by replacing Thurgood Marshall, Clarence Thomas needed to be black. I hate it but understand it. But he’s qualified, accomplished and brilliant.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, brilliant at doing absolutely nothing.

          • Gregg

             Have you read any of his opinions?

        • BEEZ

          And like the rest of us Humans…incredibly flawed

        • Anonymous

          They didn’t need a black justice.  They were able to sneak an extreme conservative with little experience through confirmation because he was black. 

    • Anonymous

      Interesting is it not that a man who is on the highest court of the land has yet to have voiced an opinion in court and as far as I can tell he has not wrote one brief or paper on law. Nice when you can have a job for life and do nothing but vote with your cronies.

      • Anonymous

        He writes opinions as do all of the justices.  His extreme views are to the right of Scalia and Alito as evidenced in these writings. 

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Maybe he can READ?  Listen?  Judge?

    • Anonymous

       Any Supreme Court justice who would fail to engage in the oral argument phase of any issue before the court is an embarrassment. It’s half the job, for Christ’s sake. It’s the only information justices can use on which to base their opinions. Is Thomas lazy or does he simply have no imagination?

  • Margaret

    I am wondering whether I’m the only Democrat who is concerned about being forced to pay health insurance to a private company (the health insurer)?  At least some of my money is going directly to support shareholders, rather than for health care. 

    I’d rather see single payer. 

    • lodger

      You’re not the only one. 

      Keep in mind we do have single-payer coverage, but it covers only the most expensive groups: elderly, indigent, disabled, mentally ill, veterans, active military, prisoners, etc.

      So if there’s a mandate for me to buy private insurance, there should also be a mandate for the insurance companies to help taxpayers pay for these expensive groups.

      Medicare for all is the only solution I can see. 

  • Amy

    Tom, I wish you would not refer to the pilot who had a mental breakdown as a “freakout.”  This is like saying someone who has epilepsy and has a seizure as having a “flip out.”  The poor pilot obviously has a mental illness, and it is our misunderstanding of mental illness which probably contributed to his breaking down while at work.  Surely he exhibited previous signs that were ignored or untreated because of our culture’s discomfort and inability to understand and treat mental illness.  Thanks.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Supreme Court Justices, who’s JOB it is, to check the laws, to see if they are Constitutional, REFUSE to do their JOBS, by READING these laws?  With ALL the time we pay them for?  With ALL the money we pay them?  With ALL the benefits we give them, including Rolls Royce Health Care?

  • Heather

    On Trayvon Martin – Black? White? Yellow? When will we teach people there is one race – The Human Race! When will we begin to teach people abouth the history of humanity and our evolution!

    • Gregg

      Right on!

    • Drew You Too

      “When will we teach people there is one race – The Human Race!”

      At the same moment we realize material wealth doesn’t outweigh Humanity. Seems less and less likely to me as time goes by.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      I TRY, by EXAMPLE, almost every day!

    • Lolexecs

      I was a bit surprised in the reporting around Martin, in that the have taken great, great pains to identify Zimmerman as Hispanic.   

      If we removed all the racial references, would it just boil down to: Man shoots boy, claims self defense? 

  • citizendebba

    Justices Scalia, Alito, Roberts and Thomas are NOT conservative; they are reactionaries.  They are the true activist judges, disregarding precedent, substituting their judgment for Congress’s (and the people’s), ruling on issues not before them, broadening rather than narrowing the scope and effect of their rulings.  They are quick to abandon tradition and settled law and eager to move us backward in time and to undo the progress our society has made.

    • William

      What is “settled law?”. A law that has been on the books for a long time and not worth a second look?

      • citizendebba

        By “settled law” I wasn’t referring to ancient statutes that were created by, and can be abolished by, legislative action.  I am referring to principles of law established over time by the courts’ consistent interpretation and application of law, the principles that underlie the facts of a particular case, the “holding” as opposed to the “decision.”  Our jurisprudence is based on the rule of law, and on the importance of precedent.  I’m not talking about “a second look,” but abandonment of precedent established and endorsed by hundreds of decisions over many decades.  In his confirmation hearings, then Judge Roberts testified of his allegiance to respecting precedent and to exercising judicial restraint, testimony that was critically important to his confirmation.  Like many others, I believed him.  Like many others, I have been disappointed — appalled — that his conduct on the Court belies his testimony.

        • William

          That’s interesting. I was shocked to listen to Justice Sotomayor say that abortion is “settled law”. So when I read the expression “settled law” it means to me that “certain laws” are settled, i.e. abortion, affirmative action and such….

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse are ‘settled law’ of the Roman Child-Molesting church?  So much that Molesters and Abusers have the FULL protection of the pope, and ALL the church?

  • David

    I agree with the last writer [Margaret].  We are paying for someone’s profit rather than health care.  I pay about $12000.00 a year and do not feel I can afford to go to a doctor.

    How is this different from the Feds as FEMA covering damage to property during a flood?

  • JMc

    strike it down and move to public option, let’s see the right block it.

    • Anonymous

      Public option will never get off the ground.  If it couldn’t make it when the Dem’s had solid majorities in both houses, it certainly won’t happen now.

      • JMc

        we shall see, I do not think people will be as naive to fear mongering this time around. The real reason of the conservative sweep in 2009 is directly due to the inaction of Dem towards a real solution. If democrats truly value their positions of power they will commit to the option as a campaign initiative, if not we will continue to be stuck in the mud with the Republican status quo, meanwhile your freedom of choice in healthcare will continue to line the pockets of those that refuse to change.

        • Anonymous

          I disagree.  The 2010 elections were in response to proactive action my the Dem’s.  The stimulus, the bailouts (started by Bush), and health insurance reform.

          Also contributing is the shoes on the other foot syndrome.  Massive deficits, corporate socialism and health insurance reform (Medicare Part D) are great when I or those I support in power, but not when the other guys are in power.

      • Anonymous

        The Dems never had a “solid majority” in the Senate with its filibuster rule.

  • Markus

    I wish there were single payer, but I think ACA is just bad legislation. But that’s not my question – and it really is a question. And every time I’ve heard it asked, people skirt the issue.

    Doesn’t the approval of the individual mandate widen the door significantly to the Federal (not state) government telling people what they should buy. Doesn’t it pretty much eliminate any constitutional restrictions to these jerks (Congress) telling us to stop smoking, stay fit, wear helmets while biking, etc cause not doing this increases everyone’s costs.

    Note, I’m not questioning that all these things are good, just that Congress has the right to tell us to do this. So, would there be any restrictions on Congress other than voting people out of office (a very blunt instrument)? Thanks.

    • Jim978

      I don’t think the individual mandate opens the door as far as some may worry it does.  Health care expenditures are fast approaching 20% of all spending in this country, and they are a drag on federal and state budgets, as well as on the private sector.  Health care also crosses state lines (unless you live in Hawaii, of course), making it difficut if not impossible to solve on a state-by-state basis.  Just ask hospitals in Massachusetts (which has universal health care).  People cross the border into that state every day to receive medical services they cannot pay for.

      It would be possible to deal with issues you raise such as smoking and fitness by taking such factors into account when setting premiums.  The only way I can think of to solve the problem of the uninsured is to get them insured.

      Personally, I think Medicare for all would be a better way to deal with this problem, but the health insurance industry isn’t going to sit back and let Congress put them out of business.  I know many will disagree with me and I can understand why, but I favor a flawed solution over no solution.  I don’t share Charlie Brown’s philosophy that, “No problem is so big or so complicated that it can’t be run away from!”

      • Markus

        Good points. We’ll probably disagree on how far the mandate opens the door to Congress controlling other activities, but not on the depth of the problem or the inability of individual states to handle it.

        Given laws around smoking, seat belts, school lunches and other areas, I anticipate a gradual increase in regulations over how we live, if the mandate stands. And I don’t trust those on either side to not overreach.

        But I do agree a Medicare like system would be a lot better than the current one. And the current one is unsustainable.

  • AJ

    While President Obama has proven himself to be an incompetent leader,

    with Obama’s signing of the NDAA (on New Year’s Eve), Obama has proven himself to be quite capable of running the U.S. Constitution through a paper shredder.

    • BEEZ

      I wonder if there has even been a more difficult time for someone to “lead” this country, which seems to be- ironically- impossible to lead, given the divisiveness and complexity of the issues we are facing, which are routinely simplified along partisian lines (mostly from the right but not always)
      I think he’s a pretty good leader.
      The cynic in me says no wonder “they” “let” a Black man be president now

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Isn’t Lisa fortunate that she can afford insurance and doesn’t have a pre-existing condition that prevents her from doing so.

    • Anonymous

      She’s got hers, the hell with everyone else. The defining ideology of the modern Republican.

      • Drew You Too

        “She’s got hers, the hell with everyone else. The defining ideology of the modern Republican.”

        I would slightly modify that statement with one word change: She’s got hers, the hell with everyone else. The defining ideology of the modern American.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Who said she was a republican?

        • Anonymous

          That would be no one.

          • foo

            I wished they had asked Lisa if she pays her 54 employees a wage high enough to live on and afford to buy their own healthcare.

  • Joe

    Motorcycle helmets???

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Those aren’t required in several states, but you don’t have to ride a motorcycle.

      • Mr. Trees

        Seat Belts???  Still required even though you don’t have to drive a care.  There is a flaw in logic here.

        • Anonymous

          Still a state issue.  This is why Romneycare = Obamacare is constitutional in MA, but maybe not in the USA.

      • Anonymous

        I want the freedom to not pay for some helmet free idiot’s motorcycle related head injury. 

  • Objeta

    Obviously, the key to the problem is to stop seeing health insurance as a profit-generating commodity and rather to see it as a right of all citizens. Why is “single payer” not part of the discourse here? It’s the obvious answer. Why are we respecting the usual taboos on discourse enforced by the corporations? Come on, journalists, start using the phrase “single payer.” Come on, don’t be afraid, just say it!

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Single payer was mentioned a few minutes ago.

      • Objeta

        Oops–sorry. I was washing dishes and must have missed it. I’m obviously glad it was mentioned.

  • Anonymous

    Social Security parallel? What about the Interstate Highway parallel? Or the Aid to Dependent Children parallel? In these cases (or with a single-payer/universal coverage system) taxes are collected, and used by the government to administer programs which are deemed to be for the common good.

    In the case of the insurance mandate, we have government forcing individuals to purchase (crappy) products from private businesses.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       If Obamacare had been made a tax, there’d be no problem.  It’s his wishy-washy style that ruined the reform.

      • Anonymous

        It’s the need to play within a gamed system that results in bastardized laws instead of ones that make sense.

        • Drew You Too

          Nice!

      • Anonymous

        Obama’s corporate masters wouldn’t allow it.

  • Small health problem

    To Lisa, the small business owner, who believes that “people should buy health insurance themselves if they want it” — Those of us with “pre-existing conditions” are NOT ALLOWED TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE. We are REJECTED, our money is rejected, if we try to buy a policy.

  • atakemoto

    Why on earth would I want to participate in a health insurance company whose sole reason for existing is to make money?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       That’s how every business operates.  Healthcare does look to be an area in which the free market doesn’t work.

  • TFRX

    Whatever happens at SCOTUS, the RNC has made it close enough to tell their ignorants what they want them to hear.

    RNC Ad uses doctored SCOTUS audio, per Bloomberg.

    Now let’s see the mainstream press not take the bait and somehow resiste playing this clunker a million times for free.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Either open Medicare to anyone who wants it or try to pass a single payer system.  Force Republicans to vote against a simple reform, rather than a 2,000 page Byzantine bill.

    • Anonymous

      I agree, ACA seems to have been designed to fail.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

         Something like Dumb and Spurious sending guns to Mexico.  It’s disturbing that this looks to be a favored tactic of the Obama administration.

    • Bruce

      Actually, 2,800 page bill…but given the enormity of the health care market and its impact on millions of Americans, is it too much to expect Judge Scalia and his clerks to read it either in toto or the relevant parts?  What an inane comment by the Judge!

      I have a couple suggestions for the Conservatives on the bench or in Congress who are intellectually challenged by the depth and breadth of the ACA:

      -sign up for an Evelyn Wood’s reading dynamics course or better yet,

      -purchase a Latin to English pocket dictionary and familiarize yourself with the motto, E pluribus unum.

  • DS

    What about the military parallel?  Through taxes any pacifist is forced to pay for this public good.  The military protects the state, health care protects the individual.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    My question to the caller, Lisa, is: Where are the people working part time going to get insurance on part-time wages? Or someone working full-time on min. wage and supporting a family, for themselves , let alone for the family?  It’s even worse for someone with pre-existing conditions.

      She says let them go get insured, but offers no ideas on how they should get it, provided they can even afford it or qualify for insurance; or where they’re going to get it All I hear from her is “Let them eat cake.” Keep in mind that “cake” wasn’t the pretty things that they have TV shows on the Food Channnel. It was the mixture they made to coat the bottom of the fire-based ovens to keep the food from sticking and burning. It’s was as if making charcoal from flour.

    • Tina

      Lisa did indeed sound like she was chafing at the bit to get her employees off her back.  I was shocked.  Then she used a mixed passive-voice/active-voice prescriptions for her employees.  I can’t quote her, but she made no sense about being obligated to receive, or some such non sequitur.  I hope Fate helps her employees, is all I could think!

      • Scott B, Jamestown NY

         Translation of Lisa’s statement – “I want to keep more of my money. Let my employees fend for themselves in the insurance market.”  I wonder how she’d fare if she had to try buying insurance on their wages? Surely at least one or two of her employees have preexisting conditions, or a family member that does. They can’t all be 18, in perfect health, living at home, with no dependents and no bills, can they?

        It reminds me of a caller I heard here weeks ago (I remember his name was “Scott”) that was complaining how some of his employees weren’t getting married so they could stay on Medicaid and food stamps.  I wondered how much Scott wasn’t paying them that they were forced to do so so that they could eat and have healthcare?

        Again, where’s their answer beyond, “Let them eat cake,” ?

    • imjust Sayin

       yup, you understand it.

  • BHA in Vermont

    How can people NOT understand that we are already spending MORE money for health insurance and health care BECAUSE we don’t have Universal health care? The administrative overhead of ‘negotiating’ the best deal for your company from the insurance companies and of those companies ‘negotiating’ the best deal from the medical service providers?

    There is something VERY WRONG when the “amount charged’ by the medical service provider is more than double what the insurance company has negotiated as the “covered expense”, the amount the insurer and insured together pay. Everyone getting the same medical service may pay a different price. What is the TRUE cost of that medical service?????

    The bigger the company the better a ‘deal’ they get from the insurance companies. The person buying insurance on the open market for only their family pays MUCH more than a “large pool” company pays and the ‘single person’ pays MORE to the medical providers even with insurance. Those with no insurance are expected to pay the full “amount charged”. Generally speaking the uninsured are the LEAST able to pay for their medical services and there is more administration cost trying to get as much of the charged cost from them. Blood from a turnip.

    SINGLE PAYER is the ONLY intelligent, economical, prudent, fiscally responsible health care system in a first world country.

    • Bruce

      Agreed, single-payer would be the ideal…but do we throw away the good in favor of an ideal that most progressives have been chasing for 50+ years? 

      ACA at least has the potential to get us to near universal coverage…and addresses the major flaws unique to our failed health care system (40-50 million uninsured is not only morally indefensible, but also economically unsustainable, and seems to me to provide the “heavy burden of justification” Justice Kennedy is looking for).

      I recall hearing back in the 70′s that “comprehensive health insurance [was] an idea whose time [had] come in America” and what we actually got was Nixon’s HMO Act, and a glut of proposals including Kennedy-Mills’ National Health Insurance Plan and Kennedy’s Health Security Bill   –all of which went absolutely nowhere.

      There is nothing new in the Left’s critique of Obamacare…Barbara and John Ehrenreich’s “The American Health Empire: Power, Profits and Politics” summed it up pretty well in 1971.

      If ACA is struck down, given the long history of failed attempts at reform, I’m afraid I won’t be around to see single-payer…unless perhaps you and others of like mind can galvanize the vote, hand Obama a landslide victory, and hold him accountable to a more rational approach like Medicare-for-All or some other single-payer system.

       

  • Tina

    Thanks, mainly, I believe, to the Republican “line” and thanks also to Faux News, we have become a NATION OF PASSIVE AGRESSIVES:  ”You can’t make me!!!”…

    …as in, you can’t make me buy health insurance even tho to NOT do so is to cut my nose off in spite of my face, OR to take advantage of all the people and companies who ARE paying for health insurance.  IF the Republicans prevail, we will know for sure that we are looking at a nation with a CHARACTER DISORDER!!

  • Objeta

    On another topic that came up this week, why don’t the corpo-crats see gov’t subsidies given to the oil and gas companies–which incorporate that taxpayer money into the profits they share with their stockholders–as SOCIALISM? Why is it only called socialism when the government supports industries that aim for sustainable energy/progressive causes that serve the public, including the poor?  And when will the Democrats take debating 101 and learn to represent their points of view more effectively?

  • guest

    Why are providers obliged to provide health care to people who can’t afford it?   It seems like we could easily cut the free rider problem by simply making it permissible for providers to refuse care

    No health insurance, no services.
    No upfront cash payment, no services. 

    That’s how they do it in China  

    • Terry Tree Tree

      THAT’S the Christian Ethics of the Republicans, that claim the ‘moral highground’?

    • imjust Sayin

       that was the comment of an anonymous guest.

      so, don’t take it seriously.

    • Bob

       Almost there.

      If you can’t pay, and don’t have insurance, they take everything from you – your house, your savings, all of your possessions.  Once they’ve squeezed you dry, then you’ll be covered.

      China’s implementing a national healthcare system.  We’re dismantling what little system we have.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Earl Scruggs, with 8 DECADES of music making, and innovating, was a great loss!!

    • Drew You Too

      The show in Hour 2 yesterday was great. Whether you like Bluegrass or not everyone should give it a listen when time permits.

  • Scswanson

    States require auto insurance?! Why is that acceptable as well? A Republican lead legislature here in TN passed a state law to require every driver to participatr in the commerce of auto insurance punishable by a penalty and fines if you are involved in an accident or pulled over without it. The requirement was because uninsured motorists policies subsidized by the local government were skyrocketing as well as individual policiea of those involved in accidents with thse without. Answer me-what is the difference between this and healty care reform?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       That’s states.  The healthcare reform act is the Federal government.

      • Scswanson

        You are genius !  NOT… States may have enacted this but the same principle is in effect.  Constitutional law holds that not only can Congress has the implicit right protect its citizens but the explicit right to tax them as  well. Same as local government legislatures.   Read your limiting principles… which are based on the Constitution’s right to make any laws that are “necessary and proper” to carry out those expressed powers.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Too bad Zimmerman doesn’t have an easily chanted name.  Please, there’s an investigation in progress.  None of us were on the scene, but too many have decided.  At this point, I wonder how Zimmerman could get a fair trial if he is charged.

  • John S

     How can we square mandatory hospital access by federal law, with non-payers being charged to those who do have insurance, but not requiring mandatory emergency/urgent care insurance?
     
    Should we have mandatory access to groceries, with non-payers picked up by other shoppers at the grocery?

    • BHA in Vermont

       If the government can not mandate that people have medical insurance coverage then it should not be legal to mandate providing medical care for those who can not pay.

      What a heartless society we have become. Keep taxes low on those who can best afford to pay and nail the poor with cuts in social services to balance the budget. I suggest that those who are against the current law and Single Payer empty their pockets, go to the ER then deal with the collections agencies.  They need to “walk a mile” in the “others’” shoes. Shoes primarily filled with people working 40 or more hours a week at 2 or more part time jobs that provide no medical or retirement benefits.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    People who tweeted the supposed address of Zimmerman could be charged as accessories to murder if anything were to be done to the residents of that house.

    • AJ

      Do you think Eric Holder’s Justice Dept. would do something sensible like that?

      We are talking about Eric Holder’s Justice Dept., that was caught selling thousands of AK-47 assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels (Operation Fast and Furious).

      I don’t expect anything logical out of Eric Holder’s Justice Dept.

  • citizendebba

    The “individual mandate” approach was generated by the right wing Heritage Foundation and advocated by Republicans as the alternative to single-payer.  It’s ironic that it is the Republicans who have challenged the very principle they advocated– ironic but not surprising, as the Republicans are masters of communicating their message, unencumbered by the facts. 

    • William

      Is it not also ironic that the Liberals are saying the individual mandate is about personal responsiblity? When have the Liberals ever endorsed personal responsiblity for anything? Amazing…

      • Anonymous

        I’m liberal and I endorse personal responsibility all the time.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          SO DO I!!

      • ana

        YOur comment reeks of snobbery.  I would so much rather  be a bleeding heart liberal who at the end of my life knew that I tried to  love and care for other humans even when they didn’t  ”deserve” it, than one who regarded others in terms of how much they depleted my wallet.
        We are the ones manning the . hallways of hospitals, knocking on the doors of the inner city making sure the kids have enough to eat, protesting the utter depravity of war,  trying to preserve the gifts of the natural world.  We honor those who take two busses and a train to get to work cleaning toilets and feeding our grandmas.
        William would rather honor the cruel Gingrich or Santorum or Trump because -oh yes-they are personally rsponsible.”

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Thank YOU!!

        • William

          Since the New Deal Democrats/Liberals/Progressives have pushed aside personal responsiblity in favor “big government” programs. Now, out of the blue, personal responsiblity is being pushed for this new government program. So what is it now or next week with Liberals/Progressives/Democrats? Personal responsiblity or government hand outs?

        • notafeminista

          The Left doesn’t do any such thing.  They EMPLOY the people to clean the toilets,feed the kids, and care for Grandma and usually find a way to do it under the table.  Then they send these people to the beacon of prosperity known as public housing, those high-rise cracker boxes with low ceilings and padlocks on the front gates all the while congratulating themselves on their superiority at $1000 a plate fundraising dinners. 

    • Markus

      Leaving the rhetoric aside and admitting I’m being a bit repetitive, what restrictions are there on the federal government if individual mandate is approved (other than voting them out of office, of course)? What can’t they tell us to do as long as they can say it’s good for us?

      It’s hard to get a clear answer to this.

    • Anonymous

      Those challenging ACA are not necessarily in step with conservative thinking.  Challengers are against the federal government in any form.  Except when they’re not.  Romney is campaigning against ACA, because he wants to be president.  If there were a national mood for a federal health insurance/care law, Romney’s position would be individual mandate vs. others public option or single payer.  (Mitt used as an example only).

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Zimmerman is as Hispanic as Obama is black, but the narrative of the left insists that Zimmerman is white.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       The NYTs called Zimmerman a “white hispanic”.  Have you EVER heard that description before?

      If Mr. Zimmerman was in AZ and stopped by the police under their immigration law would the NYTs refer to Zimmerman as a “white hispanic”?  No.

      • AJ

        We are talking about the pro-Obama New York Times.

        The same New York Times that was caught making up stories and facts.

        The same New York Times that is financially bankrupt.

        • imjust Sayin

           okay AJ, now you are just being funny.

          I get it.

          HAHAHA

          • AJ

            When Obamacare gets repealed, 

            I’ll be the one laughing.

    • AJ

      When has the left ever concerned themselves with the truth?

      They obviously don’t care that experts have stated that Obama’s ‘original’, long-form birth certificate is a forgery.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      I have NOT ignored this fact, which was pointed out in the second news cast I heard about it.  It struck me as odd, that a Hispanic was named Zimmerman, so I remembered.

  • BHA in Vermont

    If Zimmerman’s head was being banged on the sidewalk, to the point he was nearly unconscious and he then shot Trayvon in self defense, wouldn’t the “crime scene” be pretty obvious just based on how the bullet entered Trayvon’s body and the range from which the gun was fired?

    • Drew You Too

      Great comment, don’t forget about the blood (Zimmerman’s) and clothing fibers on the ground which would have resulted from a life or death struggle. All of this could have been determined by a proper investigation and therein lies the fundamental problem with the Stand Your Ground law. I am a firm believer in self defense but anytime an assault results in a death there should be a proper investigation. “He said it was self defense, move along, nothing to see here.” is pure lunacy.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    I have read that George Zimmerman was recently fired from his security guard job because he had “snapped”.  Is this accurate?

    The so-called Stand Your Ground law is pretty obviously completely flawed.

    Neil

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       The Stand Your Ground law doesn’t necessarily apply here.  It just says that if I’m somewhere that I have a right to be, I don’t have to try to run away if someone endangers my life.  It isn’t a license to kill or permission to pursue.

      • Anonymous

        But I don’t think SYG speaks to how you got into the situation where you feel your life is in danger.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           The whole situation has to be taken into account, so far as I understand, but the principle is that if I have the right to be where I am and to be doing what I’m doing, I don’t have to try to run away.

      • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

         Greg, your answer doesn’t address my question.

        If Mr. Zimmerman had a so-called mental breakdown, then how is it that his word that he felt threatened even though he was the only person with a gun, and he admits to having shot young Mr. Martin — how is it that he is not arrested?

        The law IS part of this case, because the police released Zimmerman referencing the law.  And the law is totally flawed, because if Zimmerman was the aggressor — as he clearly was — then the law should have been applied to Trayvon Martin.

        But he was dead, so he could not make a claim.

        The law is a travesty.  It should be struck down as unconstitutional.  Mr. Zimmerman should be arrested, and charged with murder.

        Neil

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           1.  Where’s your evidence that Zimmerman has mental problems?

          2.  How can this law be unconstitutional?  I don’t have the right to defend myself?

          3.  Zimmerman may yet be charged.  This case isn’t over yet, and everyone ought to let the investigators do their work.

  • Mkapsha

    What strikes me as the most important aspect of this tragedy is that when Zimmerman was talking to police he was asked “are you following him now?” to which he responded yes. Then, you hear the police dispatcher say “We don’t need you to do that.”

    Is this not the most important aspect?

    Mark
    Pittsburgh, PA

    • imjust Sayin

       yes, recording of the 911 operator is very important.  This puts the Stand Your Ground law clearly on Treyvon’s side.  Absolutely.

      But, there is no reason to expect anything else from the SYG law as long as it is there.

      Laws help teach people how to act and react.  If you make a mistake with a littering law, you get a ticket.  If you make a mistake with SYG law though… tragedy.

      There will be many other tragic deaths, with people of their own race shooting each other.

      Many NRA members are trained how to be restrained, and some are not.  But this law applies to everyone, few are correctly trained.

      The stand your ground law is dishonorable, and the NRA should know better than lobby for it.

  • AJ

    Race relations are much worse under Obama
    http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2012/03/27/race_relations_are_much_worse.html

    That’s what you get America, for sending a race-baiter to the White House.

  • corb

    HEY!!!!Why does the media seem to ignore that Trayvon Martin was entitled to the same “Stand your ground” law?  The boy was being pursued by a man with a gun: Wouldn’t the same law permit the boy to defend himself “with fists” if need be?

    • Anonymous

      Listen to Michael Smerconish on this.

  • Cph777

    Missed much of the health care discussion due to fund raiser, so may have missed this view. If the law is invalidated it will not solve the health care cost issue. Thus, without the individual mandate it seems to put single payer, not only on the table, but as the only financially realistic option for universal coverage. As a “liberal” I almost find myself rooting for the court to invalidate. It will help the democrats ad the polls, maybe not this year, but eventually, and it will provide a route to real reform of costs. Is this radical or realistic

    • Bob

       I’m thinking the same way you are.

      And I definitely hope it’s invalidated if Romney wins the WH.  Healthcare costs are going to continue to rise at an unsustainable rate.  Let’s see him solve it once his own solution has been yanked off the table by our partisan court.

      One way or the other we’ll end up with a single-payer system.  It’s proven itself around the world, over the years.  Maybe if a republican suggests it it’ll finally get traction. 

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Monroe’s account of ‘undisputed facts’ is dead wrong.

     

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    The NRA is a civil rights organization.  Lay off the vitriol tossing at them.  They do good work for America.

    • Anonymous

      Are you being sarcastic?

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

         Not at all.

    • Anonymous

      We wouldn’t have a “well regulated militia” without them.

    • imjust Sayin

       
      The Stand Your Ground law is a mistake, for such a civil rights organization.

      The current leadership of the NRA needs to be changed. 

      Hmm…

      Maybe I will run for NRA president to save the organization.

      Regime change…

  • Terry Tree Tree

    What kind of Health Care does Amy Brighton, in the picture, with an expensive printed sign, have? 

  • Drew You Too

    To the caller who says the NRA should take accountability: What? Take accountability? What country are you living in? I want to move there…

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       What do you oppose about the NRA?  The support the gun rights of Americans.

      • Drew You Too

        Did I say I opposed the NRA? I oppose the complete lack of responsibility that we ALL seem to take for our actions. I, as you, live in a VERY rural setting and do you think I do so without a gun or guns? Snakes, coyotes, wild dogs, etc. require me to bear arms. Not to mention that I need to procure food every once in a while. Notice that the need to protect my stuff has nothing to do with my ownership of weapons.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          The NRA isn’t responsible for this case, regardless of how it works out.  The NRA advocated for a good law, but they aren’t legislators.

          • JMc

            hilarious statement, I will remember that the next time they lock out the public when they want to speak with the chamber about their new lobbying legislation. What an out of touch statement.

      • Anonymous

        Where’s the “well regulated militia”?

        The NRA opposes almost any type of responsible regulation, registration, background checks…

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           The militia is the excuse, but not the right.  The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.  The people.  That’s us.

          • Anonymous

            The “well regulated militia” is the reason for the right. No militia, no need for the right. The clauses should not (though they have been) delinked.

            Cogent argument here:

            http://www.english.illinois.edu/-people-/faculty/debaron/essays/guns.pdf

            “…In support of the District of Columbia’s appeal to reverse that lower court ruling, we presented linguistic evidence arguing,

            1. that the Second Amendment was intended to be read in its entirety;
            2. that the first part of the amendment is both syntactically and semantically tied to the second;

            3. that the first part of the amendment specifies the reason for the second, that the right to keep and bear arms is tied directly to the need for a well-regulated militia;

            4. that the ordinary and customary meaning of the phrase bear arms in the 18th century is tied to military contexts, not to contexts involving hunting or self defense;

            5. and that the word militia refers in the federal period to an organized and trained body of citizen-soldiers, or to those eligible to serve in such a body, not to any and all Americans, most of whom were actually barred from militia service.”

            [excerpt]

          • Gregg

            There is a comma. Militias are people but people aren’t militias.

  • citizendebba

    If the Court does strike down the mandate or perhaps the whole Affordable Care Act, the chances of getting a single-payer system may improve.  In the course of these hearings, the Court indicated its view that the single-payer system poses no Constitutional problem.  Our employer-based system came about as an accident of history, and it continues to put US companies at a huge disadvantage in world-wide competition.  Removal of the burden from employers would really help our economy and would make it possible for people to keep their insurance rather than be tied to a particular job by fear of being uninsured.  The recent battle over aspects of preventive health for women should also disappear; no employer (religiously affiliated or not) would be providing treatment that could possibly offend their faith or sensibilities.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Advice to politicians:  Pull the plug out of the microphone before you speak.

    • BHA in Vermont

       Yeah, you would THINK any world leader would not say  ANYTHING outside a private meeting, no reporters present, that they didn’t want potentially blasted all over the news.

  • TFRX

    Kudos to Jack Beatty bringing up ALEC’s role in the Stand Your Ground “states rights” “one size fits all” legislation.

    I don’t expect that to become part of the narrative, as it is very bad PR for ALEC, and they didn’t get whatever it is they do done by having themselves mentioned on the news. But it needs to be said nonetheless.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       If they’re working to pass good laws like this one, then I hope that they continue.

  • Anonymous

    If BUR is going to use up air time for fund raising, why not just have airtime designated for it instead of taking up half of the shows time. People turn it off you know, this idea is flawed.

    • Anonymous

      Thankfully, NPR stations don’t all fundraise at the same time. One can listen online to other stations carrying O.P.

    • Anonymous

      Last week’s fundraising wasn’t intrusive and made sense to give now to avoid the June fundraiser.  This week is the constant begging which is just as annoying now as it would be in June.  Feb we suffered through shilling for Winston Flowers.  Make your plans now to buy them for Mother’s Day.  This morning Bob Oakes kept interchanging June and summer.  I thought there usually an August begathon too, but I could be wrong.  I no longer listen to WBUR during the pledging and listen to other cities’ NPR on line. 

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      You should have donated more.

      • Anonymous

        If I win the lottery I’ll give a huge donation, they wont need fund raising for years.

    • Gregg

      They have bills and a bottom line. Do you want something for nothing? Maybe we should tax the rich some more to fund them.

  • Drew You Too

    Since Romney was brought up, how will he justify his support of Wall Street? Mormons are supposed to be completely opposed to gambling and we all know that Wall Street is the Biggest Casino on the Planet.

    • Anonymous

      Ol Mitt will change his mind for as long as it takes him to answer that question. He’ll then roll his dice like the rest of them.

  • imjust Sayin

    There is no honorable result to be expected from the Stand Your Ground laws.

    Both Zimmerman and Treyvon were pretty mediocre examples of manhood, but both had a real potential future of long, productive, and meaningful lives.

    Race is a factor in this case.  But what will the NRA say when two of their own members, of the same race, shoot each other.  How will the NRA comfort the relatives of their members?

    I expect more and more of these cases, especially now that the Stand Your Ground law is now in the public discussion.  Until this case, I didn’t even know that A.L.E.C. and the N.R.A. were doing things like this.

    As a supporter of the 2nd Amendment, just like in the constitution, I am upset that these kind of laws make “gun rights” seem dishonorable.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Stand Your Ground has been misrepresented.  What about the actual law do you see as dishonorable?

      • imjust Sayin

         Factoring out race.

        I would have been killed following the spirit of this law.

        Unlike Treyvon Martin, I don’t have relative in the gated community.

        If a guy, self appointed, not in uniform, followed me around in a car, and then got of the car to chase me, I would normally retreat.

        But the SYG says that since I was not breaking the law, I have no responsibility to retreat.  I would attack Mr. Zimmerman pretty much like Treyvon did.  And I would disarm him to prevent him from harming others.

        Then Zimmerman would kill me just like he killed Treyvon.

        The SYG law leads people, not from evil, but into the tempation of killing each other.

        I support the 2nd Amendment.  This law makes gun supporters look bad.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

           There has to be an imminent danger to life before the law applies.  This is not permission to shoot someone who doesn’t look right to you.

          • imjust Sayin

             
            Ultimately, that depends on how imminent you “feel” the danger is.

            So while I agree that Zimmerman can’t really use the law, it was the law that taught him to look at life that way.

            So, if you are carrying a gun, (completely legally) and you disagree with another NRA member about how he shouldn’t litter his beer cans in the park.  Then he gets angry and you also get angry..

            One of you suddenly feels imminently in danger. 

            Do you really think this is unrealistic?  This is pretty much how the next few un-natural deaths of NRA members will go down.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

             People who get carry licenses in most states go through training and background checks.  We’re not just a volatile bunch of thugs.

          • imjust Sayin

             I didn’t say anything about being a bunch of thugs.  But the next NRA un-natural deaths will be related to this law somehow.  Just wait and see.

            This law also undercuts the claim for gun education.  The NRA seems to teach responsibility for their own, but not for anyone else.

              As a veteran, I remember rules of engagement that were mostly quite thoughtful and correct.

            But this law also applies to civilians even if they don’t use guns.  But because gun supporters came up with the law, gun supporters will get blamed for their results.

            If Zimmerman had been following me, I would be completely justified to kill him with a knife.  Even though I feel pro-life and would not kill him.

              And yet another dishonorable thing, the moral hazard is that regular force is not required before deadly force. 

            Anyone can now kill anyone else in Florida, and say they were just defending themselves.

            And gun supporters will get blamed for it and give the 2nd Amendment bad press.

          • Nuts for guns

            ur violent thugs with a licence.  The NRA derives form the KKK.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

             Your spelling is as bad as your history.

  • imjust Sayin

    I support the 2nd Amendment, just like the constitution says.  But this SYG law creates a dishonorable moral hazard in the name of “gun rights”

    SYG creates a moral hazard.  It motivates

    someo

  • imjust Sayin

     sorry about that… the computer browser sent that when I back arrowed…

  • Gregg

    Okay, maybe President Obama IS bipartisan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=paqI0KwlaK8

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       It is really sad that Obama doesn’t have the will to address the hard problems.  We should have known based on his record of voting ‘present’ on every tough vote.

      Now he has given up and is in full blown campaign mode.  All he can do is offer gimmicks like so called ‘fast tracking’ the southern pipeline that was already being built and demonizing big oil.

      We now know Obama is willing to be flexible with our enemies AFTER he wins his LAST election.  Too bad he isn’t willing to be more flexible with the American people NOW.

      • imjust Sayin

         so, you represent a set of current unfair talking points against the president.  don’t you have any original thinking or thought?

        at least the other guy (see comments below) has opinions he defends.  

        If you can’t argue against false talking points that are strongly held views, those talking points are meaningless.

        • Gregg

          Why won’t the Democrat controlled Senate even bring it to a vote? Could it be because his last budget was defeated 97-0? Why didn’t a single Democrat in the House vote for it? 414-0 is not meaningless. A President who hasn’t had a budget in 3 years is not meaningless.

          • Anonymous

            The Constitution requires that spending bills have to originate in the House.  If it didn’t pass the House the Senate can’t vote on it. 

          • Gregg

            Well they did vote on it. Presidents submit budgets all the time. The House has  passed a budget every fiscal year. The Senate has not. There is no logical way to blame this on Republicans.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           These are not ‘talking points’.  They are MY observations.

          I’ve always said that if Obama had pushed for passage of Simpson-Bowles he would be a shoe in for re-election.  He didn’t.  Why?  Because he is a political coward. 

          None of his major initiatives have been effective.  Obamacare is terrible and will probably be found unconstitutional.  The stimulus was a horrible program.  In fact, Obama has been responsible for a $6T stimulus since every economist will tell you that deficit spending is a stimulus.  For our $6T in debt we get the most tepid recovery in history.

          • Anonymous

            Sorry, I just watched Simpson and Bowles last night on Charlie Rose and they both agreed the the current GOP obsession with not raising taxes would have shot down their recommendations. It was a good interview, Simpson is a pretty funny.
            By the way, he’s not going to please most of the conservatives who post here. In fact he has some pretty interesting things to say about the current crop of tea party/GOP members of Congress.

          • twenty-niner

            As a moderate conservative, I support Simpson Bowles. I wish more Democrats would as well, including Obama.

          • Anonymous

            Watch the interview for a good explanation on why neither party went for it. It’s to honest for one. Simpson really goes after Norquist and his dumb idea about no new taxes and the absurdity of what 95% the GOP legislators signed. 

            It’s the debt, one more time we need to bring the debt down, fast.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

             Simpson-Bowles is not perfect.  In fact, it ignored the biggest debt driver – Medicare.

            That said, Obama could have won the politics of the day, and helped the country, if he pushed for Simpson-Bowles.  The majority of the GOP would have been shamed into voting for it.

          • Anonymous

            They did talk a lot about in the interview, and I agreed with a lot of what they both said.
            Everything should be on looked at in their view. So I think you might be wrong about Medicare as I got the impression that it was a huge issue.

            I urge anyone interested to watch the segment. Simpson said he basically pissed everyone off.

      • Gregg

        He’s not at all serious about our problems. 

      • ana

        President Obama has addressed problems that have been neglected for generations-health care (like it or not) DADT, Ledbetter legislation, financial regs, Bin Laden,  Iraq, Iran to name some.
        Your comments generally  are among the most uninformed in the whole of any discussion.

    • imjust Sayin

       
      This video is referring to a presidential budget that could not pass for sure in a Republican controlled house, and a vote yes could be twisted by a Republican campaign machine.

      so, this video is meaningless.

  • AJ

    With President Obama getting support from the Black Panthers, and the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson,

    I’m not at all surprised that gun sales are going through the roof.

    • imjust Sayin

       Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson are on record as not supporting, and sometimes opposing President Obama.

      • AJ

        Yeah, few and far between.

  • Wbsurfver

    Someone said that the police have often killed many black youths and the evidence of the guilt of those youths has been questionable in many cases. But Obama would seem much less likely to stick his neck out and go on TV and criticize the police saying as he did in this case. He seems unlikely to comment on the state of our penal system with regards to how many blacks are in jail.  Obama actually helps support a system that is oppressive to not just black people, but white people as well and increasingly more so.

    • imjust Sayin

       All he did was ask for soul searching and get all the details.

      This relates to politics because a national figure, Jeb Bush, worked with ALEC and the NRA , to create this Stand Your Ground law.

      Even though I don’t look like Treyvon, I might have been killed by Zimmerman also.  That is, if I followed the teachings of the Stand Your Ground Law.

  • twenty-niner

    The problem I have with single payer is that the Congress and White House are metaphysically incapable of raising taxes. Congress and Obama went to great lengths to make sure that the “mandate to buy insurance” and associated penalty were not referred to as taxes. In fact, the whole Supreme Court case could have been avoided if the mandate were referred to as a tax. Further, Obama couldn’t muster the political will to let a tax cut that was scheduled to expire, actually expire, yet another broken campaign promise.
    This will leave any single payer system severely underfunded, either because so called leaders can’t convince the country to pay higher (and yes, taxes will have to go up for more that just rich guys). Or, the country flat out refuses to pay higher taxes. If the latter is the case, the government will have to severly pare down its role in society; and the electorate, faced with reduced services, will have to re-examine its willingness to pay more, or it might find itself content.

    • imjust Sayin

       
      You are correct that the President is not in a strong enough position to raise taxes.

      But more importantly, tax credits and deductions maintain our centralized economy around slave labor and oil.

      But if those are touched, or even discussed, the chamber of commerce (I call the chamber of importers) rally their machine to claim all kinds of crazy things against the President.

      so the president is really doing the best with what he has.  give him a break, he is trying to give you one.

      • twenty-niner

        My thesis is that it’s not the President or even Congress who is really at fault. I think the blame lays with the electorate, who will be quick to vote anyone out who gets branded as a tax raiser. Obama didn’t want taxes to go up on his watch, because the knows it would be used against him in the general election, and would likely cost him his seat. And he would be right.

        Overall, there’s an unwillingness in this country to pay taxes, and politicians are simply responding to the public will. The problem is that, as a result, roughly half of the Federal government’s tab this year is going to be funded by borrowed, and worse, printed money, a pattern that is simply not sustainable, not even for a few more years.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          MOST countries have serious problems getting taxes from the people, especially the RICH?
             The Greek culture of bribing the tax collector, instead of paying their taxes, has something to do with their serious economy problems?

          • twenty-niner

            Agreed, but some people are willing to pay more than others such as Scandinavians. I’ve known Scandinavians that consider higher taxes a civic duty, and it’s part of their culture. In the US, that’s never going to fly. It’s just not our culture.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Disqus has again blocked me from commenting?  WHY??  I don’t use abusive language, improper words, or, ANYTHING that I can see wrong.
       PLEASE EXPLAIN?

    • Drew You Too

      Ummm, I’m confused. If Disqus has blocked you from commenting how did you post this comment?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        While I was ‘liking’ some comments, I got the same notice that the site would no longer accept comments from me.
           I posted the comment that you replied to, to get their attention, hopefully, and ask WHY?

        • Drew You Too

          I see no reason you should be blocked, best of luck in getting it sorted. I’ve had the same thing happen in the past and for whatever reason it seems to sort itself out.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Thanks.

        • Gregg

          Every now and then I get the same message but a refresh makes it go away. I think it’s just my computer having some bad memories. I haven’t been banned since WBUR apologized.

    • aj

      I don’t know Mr. Tree Tree, seems like youll get kind of rowdy if there is a Bishop within 100 yards. It would probably take about 3 or 4 cops to pull you off of him. :)

      • Terry Tree Tree

        If I saw the bishop molesting a child, or abusing a child!   If I saw ANYONE abusing or molesting a child!
            Pointing out CRIMINAL HYPOCRICY is a crime?

  • James Davenport

    John Robets raised the comparison of health care to police and fire services.  I think they are similar- most of Americans believe we are all due some basic level of medical care, as well as police and fire protection. Is Justice Roberts is suggesting that a tax-based payment system might be constitutional? 

    • twenty-niner

      The ability to tax is a clearly defined and enumerated power granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. No argues that if individual mandate and penalty were written as taxes, the law would be perfectly constitutional. Obama and Congress took a calculated risk, for political reasons, when they insisted that the mandate not be structured as a tax.

    • Anonymous

      A tax based system is completely constitutional.  If a tax based system was enacted, SCOTUS would have spent this week on other cases.

      • Gregg

        Except during the campaign Obama argued vigorously it was not a tax.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          If they change it to a tax-provided system NOW, President Obama has kept his word?

          • Gregg

            His word means nothing.

  • TomK in Boston

    Class war General Ryan launches his blitzkrieg budget with plenty of Big Lie propaganda.

    He “saves” medicare by refusing to try to control costs or provide new revenue, and converting it into a Groupon for whatever $ are available. If all that Ryan’s medicare can afford is a bottle of aspirin and a band-aid, in Ryan-speak medicare has been “saved” if the Groupon is good for a bottle of aspirin and a band-aid, since then the budget is balanced.

    Seems to me you have to have drunk a LOT of Kool-Aid to go swallow that Big Lie.

    Then Herr General is at war with the debt, he hates the debt, so he wants massive tax cuts on the elite. Most people wd say “Hey, won’t that INCREASE the debt?” But not to worry, there is a Big Lie here too. The tax cuts will stimulate the economy so much that they will actually decrease the debt, y’know, like the bush tax cuts did. Let me see, is this a line for the Mad Hatter or the Red Queen?

    Seems to me you have to have drunk a LOT of Kool-Aid to go swallow that Big Lie.

    So we’ll see. Are we sheep drunk on Kool-Aid or citizens with functioning brains capable of standing up to class warfare. That’s what the next election is all about.

    • William

      Since the Ryan plan is the only plan on the table it is better than the current “bury our heads in the sand” plan proposed by the Obama administration.

      • TomK in Boston

        Yeah, lets “save the kids” by denying them the safety net we have. What a funny concept of “saving”.

        Being “the only plan on the table” is no virtue if it’s straight class warfare disguised as an attempt to deal with a hyped up big bad debt. However, it is not the only plan. The ACA strengthens medicare in several ways, and the CBO agrees. It eliminates the excessive payouts to private insurance corporations who issue medicare supplements – you must know about that, it’s the basis for many TeaOP attack ads. If BHO is doing nothing, what are they screaming “hands off my medicare” (while they plan to destroy it) about?

        The ACA also proposes to cut costs by systematically finding the most efficient procedures, for the first time. You know, that’s what you call “death panels”.

        So you attack BHO when he tries to strengthen medicare, you propose to destroy it by turning it into a cheap Groupon, and you claim you have the only plan. What a logical sewer!

        • William

          There is no other plan on the table after nearly 3 years of the “new guy” being in office. Obama took 500 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obama-care so he is not exactly helping out Medicare too much.

          • TomK in Boston

            He took it “out” of the subsidy to private corporations, helping to control costs. Isn’t that desirable? You like the idea of controling costs by converting medicare into a Groupon that won’t cover costs but you oppose controlling costs putting a stop to pissing away $ on predatory private corporations?

          • William

            You like the idea of Medicare bankrupting the country? At what point does Obama get serious? If he does not like the Ryan budget where is his? Ryan’s Medicare plan not good enough? Where is Obama’s?

          • TomK in Boston

            “Medicare bankrupting the country” is just more of the Big Lie. The right is drumming up debt hysteria to convince the middle class to give up their remaining wealth, and you appear to be easily fooled.

            I repeat: replacing comprehensive medicare with Groupons worth whatever Ryan wants to spend, which is LESS than the cost of a policy from the predatory private insurance corporations, is NOT “saving” medicare, any more than that village in vietnam was saved by being destroyed. It is class and generational warfare. Anyone who thinks Ryan “saves” medicare is a fool.

            Second, anyone who thinks that a budget full of tax cuts for the rich and the corporations is a “serious” approach to our debt is a fool. I know righty ideology is that tax cuts pay for themselves, but this fantasy is contradicted by the evidence, most recently the bush tax cut disaster. The Ryan budget will put the debt on steroids. The only thing that tax cuts for the rich do is make them richer, at the expense of the rest of us.

            Obama’s plan is the ACA, which strengthens medicare and also confronts the whole health care problem. It’s not as good as single payer, but it’s something. Since you hate it so much, it’s odd that you don’t know it exists.

            Our #1 health care problem is the private insurance corporations. We have the least gvt participation and the highest costs in the developed world. Anyone not blinded by ideology would draw the obvious conclusion, “government is the solution”.

          • Roy Mac

            The entertainment value is in the fact that all these right-wing-nuts, who are now overwhelmed with worry about the national debt and the budget deficit and Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid are “bankrupting the country,” refused to even peep while the Bush-Cheney neocon cabal demolished a surplus and acted as if numbers are insignificant.  Now that they no longer own Washington DC, all the teabagging reactionaries have had their “come to Jesus” experience–thanks, of course, to the hallucination that the Democrats elected a black, foreign-born Muslim into “their” rightful White House throne.

          • TomK in Boston

            Right – and they never wonder, even a little bit, if the Ryan budget can really be “serious”about the debt when it is so packed with tax cuts.

    • JonS

      This country is on a Greece-like trajectory no matter how much you deny this. The Obama budget was up for a vote in the US House this week and was voted down 414-0.  That’s right –not a single US Rep ( Dem or Rep) voted for the Obama “budget ” charade. That’s Obama leadership at its best. As for Democratic leadership –the US Senate hasn’t passed a budget in 3+ years. Pathetic abdication of leadership and responsibility but where’s your outrage?

      • TomK in Boston

        That’s right, JonS, the world’s strongest economy with the world’s strongest currency and the lowest interest rates on gvt debt in history will be just like Greece if the middle class doesn’t surrender everything that was won since the first Great Depression. I guess we better lie down and swallow Ryan’s class warfare and that will be better, huh? Lay off the kool-aid, man. 

        • JonS

          So what is your solution?
          According to the CBO Long term budget outlook ( June 30, 2010) entitlement spending will more than double by 2050 to roughly 18% of GDP. Total federal revenues historically average about 18.5% of GDP so much if not all revenues will be spent on entitlement programs. In 40 years  spending on Medicare, Medicaid and the Obamacare subsidy program, and Social Security will soar as 78 million baby boomers retire and health care costs explode.  Who will pay for these costs? Sorry there just aren’t enough wealthy people to tax to pay for all of this no matter how much Obama demagogues the point. What then?

          • TomK in Boston

            Demagogue? We have some of the lowest top income tax rates since 1929, big estate tax cuts, tax breaks for dividends and capital gains, and one of the lowest effective corporate tax rates in the developed world. We also, and it’s not coincidence, have more income going to the top 1% than any time since 1929. Anyone who was actually interested in reducing the deficit would be suggesting large tax hikes at the top. It’s not demagoguery, it’s called common sense. Ryan’s budget that pontificates about debt and cuts taxes even more is not “serious”, as the corporate media like to call it, it’s a freaking joke.

            It’s bizarre that you mention SS, but hey, I know it’s the party line. With a trust fund that can pay full benefits for 20 years and even then if nothing is done will need to cut benefits by around 20%, SS is a paragon of financial strength. Tell me what else is good for 20 years? Nobody who was prioritizing real problems would even be talking about it – but class warriors would.

            BTW, you guys love to talk about the boomers retiring as if that issue just came on the radar. Guess what, demographics is one area where you can plan WAY ahead, and we did. SS was adjusted for boomer retirements in the 80s, and that’s why it’s in such good shape. It would be in even better shape if we had known that far right policies would redistribute so much wealth to the top, reducing the payroll tax, but that can be fixed with the stroke of a pen by raising the cap. I wonder why I don’t hear the “deficit hawks” crying for that obvious solution.

            Ryan likes to say his budget will save the economy for “the kids”. I can’t speak for your kids, but mine are capable of figuring out that trading a great, comprehensive health care program for a Groupon and a promise that things will be better because gvt spending has been cut is stupid beyond belief.

            Instead of falling for scare tactics, try to remember that in 2000 we were running a surplus, which was projected to continue forever. Think about that when you hear about horrible debt forever. Economies can turn very quickly! The surplus was destroyed by the bush tax cuts, the bush wars, and an economic crash caused by the deregulation that you probably favor. Wouldn’t the logical approach be to reverse what caused the problem? Raise taxes, end the wars, re-regulate the financial predators. Let me see, have I heard any of that from the “deficit hawks”? ROTFL.

          • JonS

            Complete utter nonsense. It would help if you dealt in the real world , as you like to suggest , rather than in the smoke and mirrors that Obama feeds to his left wing base. First,I mentioned SS only because the CBO long term budget included it in its 2050 projections since it is an entitlement. Also the so-called SS trust fund is a fiction –there is no SS lock box.
            In any event, your “solution” apparently is tax the rich.

            Here’s reality: Obama’s demagoguery is that “millionaires and billionaires” like Warren Buffet don’t pay enough compared to their secretaries. Just 10 days ago Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that the so-called Buffet rule( people earning over $1.0m should be taxed at min. 30% rate) would collect $47.0billion over 10 years , a drop in the bucket compared to the $7trillion in projected federal budget deficits during that period. In other words  this is not a real proposal to bring down our debt but a naked effort at class warfare.  

            Moreover, the entire Buffet Rule premise is false.In 2008, the last year IRS data is available, those who made more than $1.0m in adjusted gross income paid an income tax rate of 23.3%. Those making between $30-50K paid 7.2%; $50-100K paid 8.9%; $100-200K paid 12.7% ; $200-500K paid 19.6%;$500-1.0m 24.1%. The larger point is that the claim that CEOs are routinely paying lower tax rates than their secretaries is crap.

            If Obama really wants all of these people to pay even more in taxes, there are only 2 ways to do so. One is raise taxes on  cap gains, dividends , and other investment income that is now taxed at 15% and represents a great deal of income for the wealthy. The problem is that this isa tax increase on the capital investment, which the US already taxes at 35% , the highest in the world since Japan lowered their rate effective today! Capital gains and dividends are taxed twice, first as corporate profits and then as payouts to individuals. heir real capital gains tax rate is closer to 45% than 15%, which is why politicians of both parties have long supported a capital-gains rate differential. The other way to raise taxes on the rare Buffet is with a new Minimum tax ( like the AMT) but  as seen with the AMT , it’s the middle class guy that gets nailed by the AMT , not millionaires and billionaires.

            The real point of Obama’s Buffet Rule isn’t tax justice or good tax policy. It is all about re-election politics and firing up his left wing base. Nothing gets these kooks fired up like the pretense that the govt. is sticking it to the rich.  Obama could tax every billionaire in America at 100% rate and still wouldn’t make a dent in the annual federal deficit of $1.5trillion.

            Lastly–your point that wealth is being re-distributed from the poor to the rich is internally illogical and incoherent. Frankly , it’s just plain stupid. The government does not create wealth and then re-distribute it. Wealth is created by individuals , companies , etc in the private sector who then pay taxes to the government who then re-distribute it to the less advantaged, etc. 

  • AJ

    Obamacare will be repealed.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      If the Supreme Court repealed the Act. Be ready to pay more on your Health Insurance premium cost for the rest of your life and be ready to be denied coverage with your pre-existing condition.

      • david

        My health insurance, thanks to obamacare has already gone up, and that is just to add the kids back on.

        • AJ

          Liberals don’t care about the truth.

          • Richhead

             David a union guy so blame conservatives

  • GMG

    The individual mandate at the federal level was republican policy until not too long ago.  I am convinced they want to repeal it for purely political reasons.  All this stuff about active versus passive economic activity is a new invention created solely for this one political purpose.  If this had been passed by a republican congress back in the 90′s, as their alternative to the Clinton plan, I don’t think this argument would even exist. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I just want to warn America that if the supreme court repealed the Obamacare. you better save a lot of money now for future premium cost will ultimately increase dragging the prescription prices with it.

    • William

      Why would prices go up? Prices have gone up the last two years despite Obama and Biden saying they “would drop like a stone”.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        BECAUSE, THEN, THE INSURANCE EXECUTIVES CAN!!  THEY WILL INCREASE THEIR PAY AND BENEFITS!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I grew up with almost a dozen guns in the Philippines but never use those guns because I hated someone or got into fight with.

    I learned how dangerous a gun can be especially if you just whip a perso with the gun’s butt. it can cause traumatic wound or blood clot on the head.

    • aj

      lolllllllllllllllll

  • AJ

    The First Lady is vacationing with her daughters in Las Vegas
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/the-obama-women-are-in-vegas/

    Malia Obama definitely needs to rest up after spending last week vacationing in Mexico, with the 25 Secret Service agents that were assigned to her.

    • TFRX

      You’re getting pathetic on that front.

      • AJ

        Sorry that I bruised your fragile ego.

        However, you have every right to be ignorant of the facts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kristin.irwin1 Kristin Irwin

    I wonder if this women in the picture feels the same way when it comes to womens heath and abortion laws …

    • Roy Mac

      …or when she gets sick and her insurer drops her, after which she can’t get new coverage due to her pre-existing condition.  We used to think education was an antidote to stupid.

  • Gregg

    Here’s part of the 911 exchange:
    ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he’s up to no good,  or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining, and he’s just walking around, looking about.
    911 DISPATCHER: Okay, is this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?
    ZIMMERMAN: He looks black.
    And here’s how MSNBC reported it:
    Zimmerman: ‘This guy looks like he’s up to no good … he looks black.

    • Skittles

      Referring to Obama’s son?

      • aj

        Poor out a little liqour for my dead homie. Rest in Peace Trayvon. 

        One.

    • Still Here

      I heard they shorted it to “This guy looks like no good black.” 

  • aj

    Is it me or were friday afternoons made for a stiff drink and some kool & the gang… friday evenings? maybe a little wine, and some van morrison.

  • Scswanson

    Just so that we are clear, the health care reform will not be legally struck down despite what the pundits or the lawyers arguing the case think.  The supreme court justices are playing games of chicken but they have thoroughly reviewed the constitutionality of this subject long before they were set to hear it.  This is covered squarely by the implicit and explicit powers of Congress. Furtherfore, as the SSA and the ADA and countless other disputed congressional legislations and taxes that appear on your pay check, this too will be upheld and enforced.  The application might change a bit but it will be upheld and employers – big and small need to get their checkbooks out.  And for the caller who sureptiously stated that she would have to pay $1500 per employee in subsidizing her healthcare that no one helps her subsidize – remember plenty of people would trade your “have” status for their “have not”.  America was built on a sowing and reaping philosophy – so get in the game or go home.

  • Sabrina Nuchke

    Who were:
    Salvador Guersson Smecke
    Saur Ben Zvi
    and what in the world they were doing in Mexico?

  • CWBroberg

    I am so sorry I didn’t get to call in and add this to the discusion. When I read this, in off all places, a WSJ blog I was fascinated. Rick Ungar points out the founding fathers mandated health care for the good of the nation in 1789
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-socialized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe some of the comments I’m reading today about the Trayvon Martin story. While I haven’t read the whole text of the “Stand your ground” legislation, the jist of it seems just fine to me. If someone threatens your life or physical welfare, you get to defend yourself. Who could possibly argue with that reasoning? The only consideration here is, who posed a threat to whom? I would suggest that a man following me at night with a gun is someone I would consider quite threatening to my welfare. In fact, I’d be scared shitless. First, I’d try to get away. If that didn’t work, I’d try to somehow get an advantage. If I was able to get the upper hand, as I’ve stated earlier, I’d beat the crap out of him. The idea that we’re supposed to remain calm and dispassionate, assessing the situation with clear eyed reasoning is utterly ridiculous. Try being calm and rational while a man with a gun is following you at night. Good luck with that.                                                                   As far as anyone thinking that “Stand your ground” was a thing that in any way justified Zimmermans killing of Martin, well, that’s equally ridiculous. There’s a principle in criminal law.  There’s probably a Latin term of some kind for it. It states that any circumstances that result as a consequence of an illegal act  can justifiably be laid at the feet of the perpetrator of that act. I don’t know what the law is in Florida, but following someone down the street at night with a gun might be something they’d like to legislate against. Otherwise, he might get beaten up by people who don’t feel like running away.

  • david

    The racism pimps Al and Jessie are having a field day. Kind of reminds me of the Duke Lacose crap. Maybe we should wait till ALL the facts are known before we hang Zimmerman.
    A few facts the media hounds missed or did not tell you!
    * 93% of blacks are murdered by other blacks.
    * Blacks murder whites 18X the rate of whites murdering blacks.
    * New black panthers put out a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman.
    * Spike Lee tweets wrong address of Zimmerman, puts
       innocent family in harms way.
    * Brainless Roseanne Barr tweets correct address of
       Zimmerman’s parents.
    * 13 yr. old white kid set afire by two black kids in Missouri,
       they stated he deserved it!
    * Rep. Bobby Rush wears hoodie on house floor, states
      “Just because someone wears a hoodie does not 
       make them a hoodlum.”
    * In Rep. Rush’s Chicago district this week, hoodie wearing
      gunman kills 1 and wounds 5.

    Maybe folks, we need to calm down and wait on all the facts, if facts is what we really want? If Zimmerman is guilty the truth will come out.  Let us not make this into a circus where people allow their emotions to turn into uninformed revenge and innocent people are killed. What if Zimmerman turns out to be found as innocent as OJ Simpson was?
                 

    • Anonymous

       What do any of the stories you just wrote about have to do with an unarmed youth being killed by a man with a gun?

      • david

        One small match can set the world ablaze.
        This media circus concerning this young man has gotten out of control, instead of waiting on the facts about the case, many have turned it into a racism issue. Where have you been since this story broke. In my state, people are protesting and radio shows are full of people making this into a remake of the civil rights days. My post shows some facts and it shows how some people are reacting to this killing. The media is fueling the flames and people are rushing to judgment.
        There are some trying to make this into a black/white issue and not that of just another senseless killing here in America.

        • Anonymous

          Gee. I wonder if the facts you posted above, all of which are meant to point out your perception of black failings, in any way turns this into a black/white issue, as opposed to that of just another senseless killing.

          • david

            No, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and even Obama turned this into a black/white issue. The Martin case has been hyjacked by the racism pimps. You and others here are supporting the misguided cause they are promoting by not seeing their motives. They are not fussing about the 93% black on black murders that far out weigh in numbers white on black. No!!!!! there is no cause in that, only if a white kills a black is there a cause worthy of a national fuss! It is called, keeping racism alive and well at the cost of a dead young man.

          • Anonymous

             Are you really this stupid, or are you just pretending? The outrage, my dim-witted friend, is over the fact that Zimmerman kills a young man and walks. The young man happened to be black. If you think Zimmerman would have “walked”, had he killed a seventeen year old white boy who lived in that gated community, your head needs to come out and see some sunshine.

          • Gregg

            And that’s because we have a justice system that has institutionalized racism and feels compelled to cover whitey’s ass whenever racists load their guns and go hunting for blacks. It happens all the time. We all know this is the America we live in.

            Right?

          • Anonymous

             Gregg, my friend, this has nothing to do with “hunting blacks.” It’s about the killing of a young man for walking and the failure of law enforcement to bring his killer to judgement.  If you truly believe that Zimmerman would not have been arrested had he shot and killed that white teenager, then you and I are at a hopeless impasse. I like to debate with people who are aware of the world as it is, not as they like to pretend it is.

          • Gregg

            If you want to play that stupid “what if” game, I’ll bite. What if the KKK put a public bounty on the head of a  black man, do you think there would be no arrest? What if AG John Ashcroft made a policy on not arresting whites for voter intimidation? No, I reject your version of reality. 

          • Anonymous

            Boy am I surprised.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, lets keep throwing fuel on this fire.
      You’re no better than the what you post here.

      • Gregg

        So it’s no problem when the racism lie hits the news cycle 24/7, bounties are issued, race-baiters are rallied, blogs are posted and elderly couples have to move after Spike Lee gets nasty. But throw in a little truth that outs this lie and David is fanning flames.

        Alrighty then.

        • Anonymous

          You keep going on about racism as if it’s white folk that are the victims and in this case a Latino. As if somehow when black folk talk about race it becomes racism in reverse. You called President Obama a racist. Which I find pretty offensive and I don’t even like the him as a president.

          What Spike Lee and Roseanne Barr did is disgusting and juvenile. I’m not advocating any of this kind of behavior and I dare say I have not called for Zimmerman’ blood. I think he should be arrested and charged and let a court of law decide.

          What I’m objecting to is how the right is using this moment to dump on African Americans and Trayvon Martin in particular. The young man is dead, he can’t defend himself. 

          This guy Zimmerman is a wannabe cop who was armed, the worst combination in my view. Add to this one of the dumbest laws I’ve ever heard of and this is the result.

          I heard Charles Krauthammer weigh in on this, the first conservative that I’ve heard say that the Florida Stand Your Ground law is an abomination and it should be repealed.  

          • aj

            I’ll own it. I called for Zimmerman to meet the same fate as Tray. 

            At the time, the state of Florida showed little if any willingness to arrest, arraign, investigate, and indict.

            At that point, the only avenue for legal justice appeared to be via Federal hate-crime statutes.  Laws which I disagree with on principle. 

            I think it would be an insult to the victim for the state of Florida to not make an arrest on probable cause, let alone prosecute the killer.

            So I forthrightly called for justice to be taken outside of the criminal justice system. 

            The Governor appointed a special prosecutor, only after the Feds started poking around and especially the media started the wall to wall coverage, weeks after the homicide.
            Clearly the D.A. of the county was not planning on indicting Zimmerman.

            You want a court of law to decide. ASSUMING the killer is indicted by the grand jury, and a trial commences (plea bargain notwithstanding) and a Zimmerman walks free.  Would you accept that as legitimate? 

            Do you have any confidence in state of Florida’s prosecutors thus far?
            In addition, will the supporters of Trayvon accept it?

            Remember what happen when the LAPD that kicked the shite out of Rodney King got off? Remember what happened?

            Crenshaw Boulevard went up in flames in about 20 minutes. 

            So do you want a half-ass prosecution and an aquittal with riots from Miami on up the east coast, when it could all be settled by Zimmerman taking one for the team?

          • Anonymous

            Zimmerman shot Martin.
            At the very least he should be arrested. I’m not sure what taking one for the team means. If he gets off and people riot, that would be a huge mistake. We shall see, I’m not going to hold my breath for any kind of justice.

          • aj

            your right. we shall see.

            it’s just the whole system, seems upside down to me.  This case is only a small part. I’m talking about the whole system, seems so twisted and rigged.

            It can really generate a lot of cynicism and ill-will.

        • david

          Gregg, my only friend, you cannot reason with some people. It is liken to a feeding frenzy among dumb animals. They smell blood, they go crazy, they forget common sense. They are liken to those people who riot, they destroy the very system that supports them, they burn buildings, cars etc. all for a cause they themselves do not understand. 

          • Anonymous

             To me, common sense would suggest that people don’t deserve to be shot to death for walking at night. Oops, I forgot. I’m not allowed to form an opinion until all the facts are in. Sort of the way we all refrained from judgement in the O.J. Simpson trial. Or the Casey Anthony trial. Or the Timothy McVeigh trial.

          • Gregg

            “To me, common sense would suggest that people don’t deserve to be shot to death for walking at night.”

            Who would disagree with that? What does it have to do with anything? That is not an “opinion” about guilt. Get real.

          • Anonymous

            Of course it’s an opinion about guilt.  If you agree that people don’t deserve to be shot for walking, but Trayvon Martin was, then SOMEONE must be guilty for shooting him. Gee, I wonder who that could be.

          • Still Here

            He was shot for trying to kill Zimmerman.

          • Gregg

            It’s unbelievably sad, the shallowness is mesmerizing and the notion it’s helpful is just plain stupid.

    • Anonymous

       I’ll bet that hoodie wearing gunman was wearing pants too. I’ll bet it was the pants that made him kill. I wonder if he had on some kind of footwear. Yeah, it was probably the shoes. Maybe he ate some breakfast that day. We just can’t trust those breakfast eaters, can we. Since we know that millions of hoodie wearing folks successfully  made it through the day without killing anyone, you can’t possibly be implying that the gunman did what he did because he was wearing a hoodie. Can you? And, just to set you straight, you can’t cite instances from various media sources and then claim that the media doesn’t report them.

      • david

        Now our main focus is on hoodies. I bet if you were walking down a dark street and you met a person approaching you wearing a hoodie, I bet that Mr. feettothefire would for a brief moment would think……..??? or maybe he is above being just human!

        • Anonymous

          Mr. Feettothefire has owned at least one hoodie every day of his life since his middle teens. We used to call them “hooded sweatshirts,” probably long before you were born. My goodness gracious, little did I know I was such a frightening human being because of my sweatshirts. I must be a supremely courageous individual to not be frightened by clothing. And if you don’t want us to focus on hoodies, maybe you shouldn’t be stupid enough to bring them up.

          • david

            You probably blame the handgun for crime and not the person using it.
            Check out security camera, most robbers cover their heads. Many use hoodies. The hoodie, not fault of it’s own , is guilty by association.

          • Anonymous

             You are the dumbest piece of work I’ve encountered in four months on this forum. I’ve been repeatedly blaming George Zimmermann for killing Tray Martin, but you’ve decided that I blame his handgun instead of him. Did you skip your Thorazine this morning? And assigning guilt to a piece of clothing? That’s an interesting approach. However, I don’t think you’ll find any legal precedent.

    • Salih

      All the Facts?  Did you just list ‘All’ the facts, or just the ones you thought served your point.  
      Several of the statistics you mentioned appear so lopsided because of cases like this.  
      Everybody knows young black males are the easiest to blame and convict for certain crimes.

      • david

        What if a black neighborhood watch guy had killed an unarmed white kid, would this have hit the national news??????
        Saw Jessie Jackson on the news today crying racism, racism!!!!
        You people are missing the whole picture here.
        Time will tell, the grand jury will determine the case, but the racism pimps and you lefties will not be satisfied till Zimmerman is dead, whether guilty or not!!
        Al and Jessie have already declared him guilty, the same way they did with the Duke Lacrose guys.
        All I am saying is let us not rush to judgment until ALL the facts, not just what some want you to here, are proven.

        • Anonymous

          With folks like you on the case, Jesse and Al might as well just go home. You do a much better job of turning it into a black/white issue than either of them could do. Why don’t you tell us some more terrible statistics about black folks that have nothing to do with this case?

        • Anonymous

           If the black neighborhood watch guy had killed an unarmed white kid and the police chose not to arrest him for it, you can bet your ASS it would have hit the national news. But we both know that would never happen, don’t we?

  • AJ

    Now V.P. Joe Biden is calling for a Global Minimum Tax.

    Just more tax-payer bailouts for the international banks.

    Don’t be surprised.  Goldman Sachs was one of candidate Obama’s biggest financial contributors in 2008.

  • JonS

    Jack Beatty-Axelrod never disappoints. I’m listening to his litany of right wing evil doers that supposedly backed the Florida “stand your ground law”  and its progeny and kept waiting for him to include the Koch Bros, Dick Cheney, and Halliburton. Sure enough ,  he didn’t disappoint by mentioning Koch Bros (it brought me a big laugh as I was listening) but I guess he gave Cheney a pass since Jack probably no longer believes he’s heartless. Jack–you really need to expand your echo chamber beyond David Axelrod/David Plouffe, Media Matters , New York Times , Paul Krugman and Daily Kooks.

    • david

      You must remember where NPR receives some of it’s funding.

    • Anonymous

      …and you’re a mouthpiece for Fox news. If you don’t like it, don’t listen.

  • Dan Cooper

    I don’t find this show benefits when Brian Monroe is on.  Sometimes I just don’t find him insightful, but often it’s worse than that.

  • JonS

    The Other Week in News:
    This week has been an unmitigated disaster for Obama, quite possibly the worst of his presidency. 
    Consider: 
      Tuesday’s defense of Obamacare’s mandate before the Supreme Court was,in the words of CNN’s Jeffery Toobin, a trainwreck. Wednesday’s defense was a plane wreck. 

    Obama pulled off a nearly unimaginable feat on Wednesday: he managed to totally and completely unify warring Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Late Wednesday they unanimously voted 414-0 to reject Obama’s budget. 

    While in South Korea ,Obama was caught on an open mic telling Russia’s staunch champion of democratic values and human rights , Pres. Medvedev, to convey to Putin that he,Obama, will be more flexible as far as missile defense is concerned once he’s re-elected. It would be nice if Obama first explained to the American public before November what he intends to offer the Russians.

    Obama involved himself in the Trayvon Martin situation thereby elevating a tragic situation into a volatile racial incident culminating with a bounty placed on the “capturing” of George Zimmerman, an American citizen not currently charged with anything. Yet nothing has been said about the bounty by Obama or his DOJ.

    Somehow, this past week Obama managed to embarrass himself abroad, humiliate himself here at home, see his credentials for being elected so severely undermined that it raises startling questions about whether he should have been elected in the first place–let alone be re-elected later this year.

    • HIdan

       ad nauseum

    • Anonymous

      …and yet he’s still ahead of Mitt Romney in the polls.

  • AJ

    George Zimmerman’s father blasts Obama:
    “So much hate coming from the President”
    http://www.schnittshow.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=454847&article=9967477

    • Anonymous

      Does Mr. Zimmerman have any idea that none of this would have happened if his son never owned a gun.

      • AJ

        We’re now seeing the real Barack Obama.

        • aj

          The real Obama raised by his purely white mother and his white grandparents, in a white peoples enviornment. 

          Indigenous Hawaiian, Japanese, and Phillipino minorities notwithstanding.

          I’m curious, how does that context fit into your analysis.
          Let’s not forget, Barry’s father was not even african american, but instead just an undergrad foreigner in the states on a student visa. 

          In other words, with none of the baggage that a descendants of slaves and 1/2 citizens 1/2 savages would bring to the situation. Just imagine the venom you would have then.

          Maybe it’s Michelle being the matriarch of the WHITE house that really gawls you. 

          Because after all, every one knows she’s just a few generations away from picking cotton in return for nothing more than some rations.  Not to mention, as beautiful as she is; getting knocked up by the master of the plantation a couple of times. 

          Perhaps you would prefer she be washing the linens at the executive mansion instead, and taking the bus back to the southeast corner of D.C. at the end of each work day.

             

        • Anonymous

          I’m sure you are trying to make a point.
          When you figure it out, let me know what it is.

      • Richhead

         Judge(former) Zimmerman blast obama of course on Fox News no doubt.

        Notice in the link on the upper right says

        Forensic Expert: George Zimmerman wasn’t screaming for help in 911 Calls

        http://www.schnittshow.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=454847&article=9977802
         

      • Still Here

        Yes, his son would be dead.

        • Anonymous

          And your proof of that is what?
          If he did not have the gun, he would have never approached Martin. Anyway if Zimmerman was the one who was challenging Martin, then he would be within his rights to defend himself. According to the stand your ground law. Or does that law only apply to people not of color.

          • Still Here

            Show me your proof and I’ll show you mine.  Just before Martin started bashing Zimmerman’s head on the ground, Martin was pursuing Zimmerman and confronted him.  Seems pretty clear cut, not sure what the fuss is about.  Color doesn’t matter except to racists like yourself.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            WAS it Zimmerman’s duty to pursue, and confront?  WHY did the dispatcher tell him NOT to?  WHY did he violate the rules of his volunteer position, and ASS-ume the duties of a police officer?

  • Anonymous

    This past week the Tennessee Senate approved a bill to allow intelligent design to be taught in science classes.
    I guess they missed Neil deGrasse Tyson’ short but to the point lecture on Intelligent Design is Stupid.

    “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.”
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEl9kVl6KPc&feature=player_embedded

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Bummer.  It was just announced Jeremy Lin had season ending knee surgery.

    Now Obama will have to wait until he is booted from office to play hoops with Lin — as he planned this summer.

  • david

    More backlash from the Zimmerman ordeal this date.
    Race relations between peoples become strained, again!
    The mayor of the city of our state capital is under fire from a State Rep. who is charging him with discrimination in hiring. The Rep. claims top positions are not being filled with minorities.
    The mayor states, of the 8 top positions, 4 are black and in the other 4 positions, 2 are females.
    On six o’clock news tonight, young man stopped by police on a violation, trouble starts, kid is mazed. He is now stating he has become like Trayvon Martin.
    Let the justice system work and not this mob attitude that is spreading over the land. Some innocent person is going to be killed in vengence over this and what will that prove?

     

    • Anonymous

       An innocent person already has been killed, and it’s proven a lot.

      • Hidan

         Amazing how these rightwingers say to let justice work when in fact Zimmerman wasn’t going to be arrested or tried in the first place.

        • Anonymous

          This is some country we live in. Let’s arrest people for selling a joint or shoplifting a candy bar. But, shooting someone down in cold blood? Let’s all calm down and not make a big deal about a killer being set free. Our friend David seems to think that wearing a hoodie says more about ones character than shooting someone dead in the street.

          • Richhead

             They even take it a step more by trying to destroy Trayron Martin Character as if to justify Zimmerman actions.

            Oh yea Zimmerman dad is an retired judge of course this probably had nothing to do with the case.

          • Still Here

            Please, narcotics distribution is fairly relevant.  

            It suggests Zimmerman knew what the law was.  

          • david

            good try with the cut, it will not work on me.
            I am calling for civility and allowing the justice system to work.
            You have already tried and convicted Zimmerman and want his head.
            You have become judge and jury!

          • Anonymous

             Why do you insist on making your stupidity ever more obvious? The only thing I and most of the people who are angry are calling for is an arrest. We don’t want to be “judge and jury.” We want the killer of a young man to STAND before a judge and jury. Get it, dopey? We want “the justice system to work,” which can never happen if people who shoot other people in the night aren’t even going to be arrested for shooting people in the night.

          • denis

            as was Zimmerman

          • Still Here

            except he was defending himself

      • Still Here

        name one

  • AJ

    Washington Post poll: 96% of the public says Obamacare is unconstitutional

    http://www.infowars.com/washington-post-poll-ninety-six-percent-of-public-says-obamacare-is-unconstitutional/

    Ouch!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      The NEVER polled ME, and I’ll bet a LOT more people!!

      • Still Here

        Are you familiar with statistical sampling?  I’m guessing no.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          It says 96% of the public, NOT of the public polled! 
              You could poll the public around a church, and get a DIFFERENT result than from a beer joint, even with most of the same people polled?

    • Anonymous

      …and almost 50% of Americans believe in angels and that the bible as fact.

  • AJ

    Obama White House amits to asking news agencies to pull Malia Obama Mexican vacation story

    http://www.infowars.com/white-house-admits-to-asking-news-agencies-to-pull-malia-obama-vacation-story/

    Why wouldn’t the White House want the American people to know that Malia Obama with 12 of her friends and 25 Secret Service Agents, were partying it up at the tax-payers expense in Mexico?

    I’m sure glad the country isn’t in a recession, or going broke, then I’d be mad.

  • Brett

    The only reasonable response now to the shooting in Sanford, Florida, is to arrest Mr. Zimmerman and process him through the criminal justice system. Additionally, the police department in Sanford need to be investigated for how they handled the events of that evening. 

    I’ve made an effort not to comment about this story until now; I’ve felt that the public discourse on this story has been too heated, presumptuous, and some of the discussion has been that of a mob mentality. I also felt that I didn’t really have enough information to formulate an opinion based on facts or first-hand knowledge of what transpired the night of the shooting. But, it is human nature to develop opinions about what we hear going on around us. Even the folks who caution against a rush to judgement (as I do) have their opinions. When justice does not appear to have been served, and we feel laws have been violated by those considered in our communities to be the upholders of those same laws, we feel outraged and are inclined to demand some form of justice be brought forth. The longer we wait for what we consider to be reasonable action in the response to these perceived injustices, the more likely a collective frustration is invited to grow and fester. Civil unrest/the potential for real-life vigilantism become at least a possibility in the array of responses we can expect should Mr. Zimmerman not ever be arrested. 

    Here’s what we do know about what happened the night of the shooting. We have a neighborhood crime-watch person, George Zimmerman, who was armed and out on what could be called an evening’s patrol of the neighborhood. Mr. Zimmerman, it can be said (at least), considered something unlawful about the way Mr. Martin—a teen walking home after purchasing candy and a drink at the local convenience store—moved through the neighborhood, otherwise he wouldn’t have called police and reported he saw Martin behaving suspiciously. At the time Mr. Zimmerman called 911, he was in his vehicle and observing Martin from a distance that would be considered relatively safe (I say this because Mr. Zimmerman was armed, in his vehicle, and had already called police; and, he could have let the police handle the situation while keeping his distance if he had wanted), even if Martin had been a dangerous criminal. The police dispatcher advised Mr. Zimmerman not to pursue Martin but to let the police handle the situation upon their arrival. Mr. Zimmerman disregarded that advice and began to follow Martin. In the time between Zimmerman’s 911 call to police and the police’s arrival he shot Martin dead. 

    Anything else about Zimmerman or Martin, or their behaviors, is just speculation at this point. So far, certain events of that night, particularly those between the time of Zimmerman’s 911 call and Martin’s death, remain in question. There have been complaints about the whole matter being tried in the court of public opinion when it should be tried in a court of law; yet, both sides, as it were, seem to want to try the whole thing in the court of public opinion. Martin’s family, understandably, have been using the media in an effort to shine a light on what they consider is a grave injustice, to perhaps force justice forward and have Mr. Zimmerman arrested. Zimmerman’s family, understandably, have been also using the media in an effort to portray him in a more favorable light. 

    Justice may never truly prevail, but it won’t have any chance whatsoever of being served if Zimmerman is not arrested.    

    • Anonymous

       Yours is a measured and responsible comment. The main problem is, too many people believe that the greater part of public outrage lies with what Zimmerman did. Anger towards his actions goes without saying, and anyone who disputes that needs to have a stranger point a gun at them some night. No, the greater part of public outrage lies with the fact that a man can shoot a stranger and walk away. By what logic does that make any sense? Is this Dodge City? Is this Tombstone? Even Wyatt Earp had to stand trial for shooting people. Is George Zimmerman a more sympathetic character than Wyatt Earp? All the people who keep whining about trying Zimmerman in the press and in the court of public opinion miss the point that he can’t be tried in a court of law if he’s not even arrested. If they don’t think he should be arrested, just on the basic facts alone, then God help us all. Welcome to the wild, wild west.

  • Hidan

    Iraq all over again, same tactics different country.

    U.S. calls on Iran to prove its nuclear program not intended for military means

    Ahead of international talks in Istanbul,
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urges Iran to back up its declaration
    that Islam bars weapons of mass destruction.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/u-s-calls-on-iran-to-prove-its-nuclear-program-not-intended-for-military-means-1.421986#
     

  • aj

    This is what I’m talking about.  The whole system is predicated on fundamentally hippocritical reality.  Meaning, do you all who feel comfortable with Clinton’s bluster, atleast accept that from an entirely neutral uninterested standpoint, a pronouncement like that is inheritly hyppocritical.
     
    Especially when taken into consideration, the history of the U.S. being the only nation to nuke our fellow man. In addition to our complete excusing of the 200 ACTUAL nuclear warheads arsenal current regime in controlled by the temporary regime in Tel Aviv whose illegitimacy in the Palestine-48 territory, illegal occupation of the west bank-golan heights-shabaa farms, and immoral seige of Gaza has been and continues to be the elephant in the room
     
    There should be ZERO nations in possesion of nuclear warheads.  Stephen Hawking had a statistic to the effect of there being a 1 in a million chance of humanity being destroyed by way of nuclear holocaust. Low risk right?
     
    But if you spread those odds over the next 100,000 years, the chance of Humanity being destroyed by way of nuclear holocaust becomes 1 in 10.
     
    Am I crazy or do statements like Madame Clinton’s (a democrat ) take our eye off of the what the goal should be?

  • aj

    Too bad we can’t nominate Brian Lamb of CSPAN for the “America Elect” nomination.  I bet he’d be a capable president from a substantive bypartisan standpoint.  Its just a gut feeling, anybody else agree?

  • AJ

    Americans angry at Obama over gas prices
    http://www.infowars.com/americans-angry-with-obama-over-gas-prices/

    I’m really glad that the high gas prices will not affect the Obama’s vacation plans in the least.

  • Gregg

    NBC has launched an internal investigation into the hideous race-baiting editing they did on the Trayvon Martin story. They should at least make a token effort to be fair and balanced like fox. We’ll see if any heads roll.

  • Still Here

    For a constitutional law professor, Obama doesn’t seem to know much about the Constitution!  

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    Holder says it isn’t Bush’s fault.  That means he will be pardoned the week before Obama leaves office.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-invokes-executive-privilege-holder-faces-contempt-vote-143710603.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CQSS.JPySwAfQvQtDMD

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California as Exhibit A for what happens when a state bans affirmative action in college admissions. We’ll look at race, college and California.

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