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The Killing Of Trayvon Martin

The shooting of Trayvon Martin in Florida, and the price of “walking while black. ”

In this undated family photo, Trayvon Martin poses for a family photo. (AP)

In this undated family photo, Trayvon Martin poses for a family photo. (AP)

Trayvon Martin was staying with his dad in a gated community north of Orlando, Florida.  Watching a basketball game on TV.  Went out to the 7-11 at halftime for Skittles and an iced tea.  Ended up dead.  Shot in the chest by a neighborhood watch volunteer who found the black teenager suspicious walking home with his candy.

It’s a story to chill any parent’s blood.  For many black parents, families, it’s the story that just won’t go away.  The lethal – racial – suspicion that clings and kills.  Now there is anger and anguish.

This hour, On Point:  the killing of Trayvon Martin.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Frances Robles, reporter for the Miami Herald.

Mychal Denzel Smith, writer and social commentator, his work has appeared in The Guardian, Ebony, The Root, and more. You can find his article on the Trayvon Martin case here.

James McBride, writer and musician, author of the memoir “The Color of Water.”

Nicholas K. Peart, student at the Borough of Manhattan Community College.  Author of the New York Times op-ed, “Why is The N.Y.P.D. After Me?”

 

Tom’s Reading List

The New York Times  “‘He said that Tray was gone.’ That’s how Sybrina Fulton, her voice full of ache, told me she found out that her 17-year-old son, Trayvon Martin, had died. In a wrenching telephone call, the boy’s father, who had taken him to visit a friend, told her that Trayvon had been gunned down in a gated townhouse community in Sanford, Fla., outside Orlando.”

The Atlantic “With the drumbeat of attention coming forward, I would be shocked if Zimmerman wasn’t arrested and charged. His decision to pursue Martin for, at the worst, walking toward his car, putting his hand in waist-band, and then running away was tragically reckless. And perhaps worse. We just don’t know yet. ”

The Miami Herald “But the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin left the boy’s family and attorneys convinced that the volunteer developed a twisted sense of entitlement, one that gave him a false sense of authority to enforce the rule of law in his tiny gated community. Trayvon’s family’s attorneys believe that led to racial profiling and murder.”

 

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  • Hidan

    Such a sad story. but sadly this is not a exception especially for blacks and bi-racial people. There’s an petition going around if people have not seen it yet.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/prosecute-the-killer-of-our-son-17-year-old-trayvon-martin

    • Anonymous

      I signed it earlier today, Think if the roles were reversed.

  • Shaman

    Black and White people are kept apart by institutional racism. 

    Black people are still kept out of a few Massachusetts communities by real estate salespeople who incorrectly assume former customers won’t appreciate a salesperson who introduces black people to the neighborhood.

    Gated communities take it to another level. It is a disgrace.

    I only wish I could say such behavior is UnAmerican – unfortunately it is all TOO AMERICAN.

    !

     

  • Hidan

    “The Miami Herald “But the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin left the boy’s family and attorneys convinced that the volunteer developed a twisted sense of entitlement, one that gave him a false sense of authority to enforce the rule of law in his tiny gated community. Trayvon’s family’s attorneys believe that led to racial profiling and murder.”

    If people recall this happen during hurricane katrina by both police and such “Defenders”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K3veQLmhAE

    Sadly being a minority in the U.S. and walking around one has to have to watch for brutal Police or Vigilantes and this crosses red states and blue states, liberal or conservative. What was even worst was that the Police had to be shame into releasing the 9/11 calls and like in most cases turns out the police have a record with favoritism and not enforcing the law equally.

    I  hope one of the guest brings up the militarization of the police department and returning vets joining the police force without proper evaluation which the NYPD is a poster child of this with it’s constant violation of civil and human rights of it minorities . 

  • Kookoo Cory

    I’m sure glad my state just passed conceal and carry.  The obvious solution to these problems is for as many people as possible to be armed with deadly weapons.

    Aah yes, the gated community.  The one percent’s answer to having to share a country with the rest of us.  As things get worse the walls will grow higher, and the pistol packin’ patricians more numerous.  These communities will get smarter and control the flow of information and access for police to better control incidents like this in the future.

    Please remember, this is about race AND class.

    • karen

      Not all gated communities are in affluent areas.  Take a stroll through East “insert city name here” sometime.  Sorry, I don’t believe class has anything to do with this one.

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  • J.P.

    In this supposedly post racial America, I think black men have gotten too comfortable. Teenagers that are Trayvon’s age forget that their presence alone could be perceived as a threat. My father told me “if you dress to fit the stereotype, people will think of you that way.” I am a black man and an undergraduate at Berkeley. Whenever I go to Oakland or Marin county I either dress up a bit or wear something with Berkeley plastered on it, and I always wear my glasses -never contacts. This is essentially repellent from Oakland and BART police and over caffeinated neighborhood watchmen. Black men, at our peril do we make the mistake of getting too comfortable forgetting that there is racism out there.

    • Travis

      “There is racism out there”

      I agree with you completely.  It’s being preached by Al Sharpton, A.C.O.R.N. and,

      Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s minister of hate for 20 years.   

      That would explain why your President is a total race-baiter.

      • Shaman

        Yeah. If Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright would just stop talking you wouldn’t see racism anywhere.

        Or would I be wrong?

        • Shaman

          By the way, Mr. Obama is not ‘Your’ President. He is “Our” President, like it or not. And I do like it.

          • Travis

            OK, “Our President” is a war criminal who started the bloody rebellions in North Africa and the Middle East with his C.I.A. directed Arab Spring.

            P.S.

            Obama’s C.I.A. overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya resulted in thousands of Black Africans being killed in cold blood by the Al-Qaeda backed rebels that Obama was supporting.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

            Do you have any proof to your allegations that the Arab Spring was fomented by the C.I.A. or the U.S. Government beyond a few youtube videos from folks claiming to be insiders? Becasue this seems like a lot of bunk.

            p.s.

            So supporting a population attempting to overthrow a dictatorial regime oppressing them constitutes war crimes huh? I think I missed that one in the entirety of international law. Could you please point that statute out for us?

          • Hidan

            The TNC did target and kill Africans and Libyan of african origin the biggest was this.

            Sadly the WH said nothing about this. It also included rape, torture and beating that many reporters decided to omit until the war was over. NPR did this. LA times didn’t.

            http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/07/libya-ethnic-cleansing/

          • BEEZ

            Gaddafi was supporting U.S. interests in the region, Mubarak was a U.S. ally, as is (was) al-assad..so why would they support regime changes?
            I don’t put it past the U.S. but please explain your sources, or at least your theory…

          • Robert Riversong

            Many of the young Tunisian rebels were carrying Gene Sharp’s booklet, From Dictatorship to Democracy. It was this octogenarian proponent of non-violent revolution from the Albert Einstein Institute, not the CIA, who inspired the Arab uprisings. But just as some people see the devil in every black teenager, others see the CIA in every popular revolt.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Why are you NOT putting forth FAR WORSE charges against ‘W’, since it has been proven that there was NO real connection between 9/11, and Iraq?
               IF, as you say these things about President Obama, ‘W’s crimes were 10, to 50 times WORSE?

      • Alexandra Walling

         My god, in the comments section for a program about a racist killing, in response to a black man talking about his experiences with racism in America, you decide to play the poor oppressed white man?  When Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright are gunning down white people in the street for walking while carrying skittles, get back to us.

      • TFRX

        ACORN?

        Nice to know you have a time machine. Go back to the ’50s and tell us every tree the Commies are hiding behind while you’re at it.

        • Modavations

          I’ll point you out a friggin forest

          • Robert Riversong

            Yeah, the Emerald Forest. Modavations lives in a fantasy land of his own creation.

          • TFRX

            Hey, at least the Wizard of Oz fessed up:

            —Oh, you’re a very bad man!

            —Oh, no my dear. I’m a very good man. I’m just a very bad Wizard.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Due to lead, mercury, and ‘chemical’ ingestion, that he brags about?

      • J.P.

        Because Wright and Sharpton are solely the ones perpetuating racism…What kind of logic is that?! Black leaders are to blame for racism. So without them there wouldn’t be any? By that reasoning, feminists are the ones to blame for sexism.

        Sharpton and Wright have nothing to do with the post or really this program topic. Blaming people that are the most vocal black (admittedly self indulgent and opportunistic) leftist pundits is really taking the easy way out. There’s no way you actually believe that, right? If so, try thinking critically for once. I promise it won’t hurt.

        You would think the republicans would agree with what I said. “Don’t dress or act the stereotype and people won’t treat you like one.” It works for me. I’m in a “white” fraternity for Pete’s sake.

        • Robert Riversong

          “try thinking critically for once. I promise it won’t hurt”

          Careful, that’s a promise you can’t keep. For bigots, it DOES hurt to confront their own ignorance and prejudice – it destroys the thin thread of self-respect that they desperately cling to and which requires projecting their own demons onto the “other”.

      • BEEZ

        You seem the type that would’ve called someone like MLK a trouble maker who needs to be put in their place.
        ‘dat boy just stir’n up sum trubul”
        How dare they point out the realities of our society despite the uncomfort it causes these nice white folk!
        GOH with that BS!
        I love when people blame victims. If you punch me and cut my lip, and I punch you back and break your face, am I to blame?

      • denis

        It would seem that people who voice your kind of irrational logic are direct contributors to problems like this shooting. If you do not like America as it is today move somewhere else… perhaps you would like to support Putin in Russia.
        Russia.

      • Robert Riversong

        Jeremiah Wright preached nothing that MLK didn’t finally speak out about. May as well call MLK a racist (as I’m sure you do). 

    • Raindance52008

      It is so sad that young black men have to worry about how they dress so as not to frighten people.  I remarked this morning that Trayvon looked just like my nephew except that he was black… walking around with the hoodie and all….  and my husband said that black kids can’t dress like that if they don’t want to be a target.  And I guess he’s right, because everyone assumes you’re “bad” if you dress that way.  Now I guess I’ll have to worry about my nephew, because you’d have to look close to tell whether these kids are black or white when they’re cover up with the hoodies and all.

    • BEEZ

      But we should be able to dress and “act” anyway we want as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone!
      By the looks of this kid he seemed to dress pretty ordinary…even “nerdy” perhaps.
      I can’t even describe the feeling I get when I think of this young man screaming and crying for his life. That could be my son, one of my nephews….

  • Alexandra Walling

     Excellent conversation and analysis about this tragedy can be found over at Ta-Nehisi Coates’s blog at http://www.theatlantic.com/ta-nehisi-coates/

    I can’t wait to hear what Mr. McBride has to say; I remember reading “The Color of Water” many years ago for a class at school.  One of those books that doesn’t leave you.

  • Cmrosko

    From the evidence that I’ve been able to observe there is no indication that Zimmerman’s life or physical well being was directly threatened by Martin and all indications are that it was the opposite was true. If Zimmerman was the director of a neighborhood watch group he should have obeyed the police dispatch operators directive to not pursue Martin. In my opinion Zimmerman is a murderer and should be immediately arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I also think that some heads should roll in the law enforcement department in that community.

    • Robert Riversong

      Zimmerman violated
      major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual. The
      manual from the Neighborhood Watch program states: “It should be
      emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers. And they shall
      not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”

       

      According to Chris
      Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about
      22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a
      registered group, which police were not aware of at the time of the incident.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        A self-appointed vigilantee, armed?

  • http://twitter.com/TweeterSmart b smart

    it will always be dangerous to be black in the south

    • Gregg

       BS.

    • Modavations

      Jesse J., once said…..When I’m walking down the street and hear footsteps behind me,I freak.When I turn and see white kids,I’m relieved.What America’s poor need are daddies and school vouchers.Most crime(per capita)is black on black

      • BEEZ

        Why is that? Why is most crime (per capita) black on black? Do you see the historic racism and socioeconomic dyanamics at work? Or are you making a fundamental attribution error?
        Besides that, what is your point, that he was justified or something?

        • Modavations

          Racists keep the poor in the ghetto.The Rev.Al and Jesse and Pres.Obama are Capos.Give these kids daddies and school vouchers.The first official act of Pres.Obama(?) was the rescinding of the Wash D.C. voucher scholarship program

          • Robert Riversong

            Sure, if we just have all the poor and colored join the Republican party, all will be good. The problem to you, as always, is liberalism, not poverty itself or racism. And, even more, it’s the fault of the poor blacks for not keeping their families intact. 

    • I support Israel

      It’s a lot more dangerous to be a Black Christian in the Southern Sudan, where Black Muslims are slaughtering Black Christians by the tens of thousands.

      • BEEZ

        The thread is about the U.S. not Sudan.
        I don’t think you have much of a leg to stand on considering how dangerous it has been for decades to be Arab (Palestinian) in the Terrorist State of Israel.

      • Robert Riversong

        The utter audacity of using “I support Israel” as a tag. You may as well shout “I am a racist”. But this thread is not about the sectarianism of Sudan, or the racist Zionism of Israel. Let’s stay on topic.

    • Hidan

       It’s not only the South but the West/East Coast or quite frankly anywhere in the Country. I seen in the supposedly liberal state of Ma. far to many Racist and bigoted police officers.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      I certainly hope NOT!

  • Inez

    My heart breaks for Trayvon, his family, and for every black man. And boy who realize that this could have been them. The voices of these men telling their stories of being told by their parents of how to act when the face of bigotry is weilding power stunned me. My son is adopted from Guatemala and I realize that I too will have to have this talk with him. It also makes me look deep inside myself for what hidden fears I might have — would I perceive differently a white young man vs a black young man if I were to come across them at night? I’d like to think not . . . But now I wonder. Would I too Harbor a racially induced fear?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Thank you for asking!  It takes a LOT of effort to question you own bigotry, when you think  you have none.

  • Kestral

    I am so glad this topic is being covered here today. Thank you! I only learned of this incident yesterday. I am a white woman, and I see racism all over this thing. This self-appointed vigilante hunted down, stalked, and murdered this innocent young man. And he is not in jail?  What a travesty of justice! I hope millions of people will shout from the rooftops that we will not be silent until every detail of this incident is brought to light. We demand justice for Trayvon Martin.  To his family, I offer my deepest sympathy, my love, and my commitment to doing whatever I can to help.

    For now, I ask that all of you go to Change.org and sign the petition asking for a federal investigation into this case.

  • Kestral

    And by the way, if Zimmerman were following me in his car, I would be scared out of my mind.  If he got out and came after me, you can bet I would scream and run, and if he touched me, I would fight him viciously.  Oh, but I am a white woman, so I am allowed to do that.

    • Modavations

      If someone were following me,I’d write down the liscence plate # call the cops.I wouldn’t care if the driver were White,Black,or Martian

      • Kestral

        So would I, but after he got out of the car and came after you, then what would you do?

      • Robert Riversong

        How blithely you demonstrate your utter ignorance of real life. If you were black or Islamic in America and experienced the police as targeting you almost daily, they would be the last people you would call for help. 

        But, of course, you wouldn’t have a clue about that.

    • Robert Riversong

      “These a**holes always get away,” Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency police dispatch number.

  • JustSayin

    What if?

    -If the white gunman had shot unarmed white kid, he might be in police custody.

    -If the white gunman had shot unarmed rich white kid, he would be in custody without bail.

    -If the gunman was black, and shot an unarmed white kid, he would been beaten and assigned a hearing date for eventual conviction.

    -If the gunman was black, and shot an unarmed rich white kid, he would have been gunned down by the police in an act of self defense.

    • Karen

      Those are not helpful questions, as they can not be answered.

      • Robert Riversong

        Those aren’t questions. They’re statements of fact.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    The issues at hand here are the “Stand Your Ground” gun law in Florida and the thinly veiled racism prevelant across this country pepetuated by people who blame there own failings and economic woes on someone else (usually of colors other than white) because it is easier than taking charge of their own lives. These people are cowards and do a disservice to every hard working American who couldn’t care less about race or creed.

    • Hidan

       Those people like said a few years back are trying to take there country back. Sadly as demographics change in the U.S. and the militarization of the police department things are going to get worst. Like with most of the abusive in the U.S. it takes almost without a doubt case to happen for the Media to report it while ignoring countless others.

      Take the BART shooting and the coverage(or lack there of). At first the police tried to use wiretapping laws to prevent civilians from using the cell phones video of this, than denied it happen, than claimed the guy was violent, than allowed the cop to flee the state, than finally pressing charges when the evidence was too much.  Result in at most 2 years.

  • Gregg

    I don’t know what the implication is but it seems to be the blanket charge of racism. This is tragic but we have plenty of cases of blacks beating and killing whites because they are white. Black on black crime is rampant. Why highlight this?

    • TFRX

      Why?

      When black self-appointed armed “neighborhood watch” types end up drawing weapons on innocent white people who are dressed too down-market for the locale…

      When black vigilantes end up pursuing white not-from-here people, following them (after being instructed not to by the 911 operator) in the name of “keeping the neighborhood safe”, and shooting them…

      Let us know.

      • Gregg

        Have you not heard of the beatings and murders by black mobs against whites?

  • Modavations

    The issue is, innocence till proven guilty.My intuition is that Pres.Obama,in league with SEIU,etc,.and manipulatation of OWS,will instigate Race War.My fear is that while they will try to control it,the coup will “get out of hand”.Sort of like the mobs after the French Revolution.I also predict the same will happen in Europe,fueled by Muslim violence.Check the shootings of the French Paratroopers and the offing of the Rabbi and his two kids. 

    • BEEZ

      Obama will instigate a race war? Racism has only gotten worse and more blantant since he has was elected…his presence has done this…yet everything he stands for and has ever said is totally opposite.
      So maybe racists feel they have “lost the country” now that a Black man is President…but as far as Obama somehow insighting a race war is completely and utterly ridiculous and offensive.
      Racism is being re-indoctrinated into legislation. At least the Republicans are trying to…Obama is in their way however.
      As far as Zimmerman, I can’t speak on his “racial intent”, but my inkling is it is influenced by the current rhetoric and tensions created by Obama haters- similar to the Gabriel Gifford shooting- which has created open season on not only minorities in this country, but gays, mentally and physically disabled, foreigners, and pretty much anyone who is not middle-class white

      • Tom

        You can’t argue with Modavations, so don’t try. He’s gives every indication of being mentally ill.

        • Modavations

          Thanks Dr….And you’re credentials are what.Let me help.What Tom wants to say is ,I don’t like what he’s saying,let’s shut him up

        • Chris B

          Not necessarily.  More likely he’s merely a self-inflating gasbag.

        • Robert Riversong

          Unfortunately, Modavations is all too sane (as sanity is defined in our insane culture). His sole purpose on these forums is as provocateur. He gets his rocks off by riling up anyone left of Limbaugh. One hand on the keyboard (you can tell by his sloppy typing) and one hand on his “gun”.

      • Modavations

        Quit arboling and go get Super Heavy.I love Jr.Gong and the CD is hot,hot,hot…Pres.Obama is Acorn and Acorn is race war

      • Modavations

        Gabriel Gifford was greased by a lefty hippy.JFK and RFK were offed by leftist whack jobs.Pres.Obama was raised on Racial Division,ie:Rev.Wright and the rest of the Marxist Professors.

        • ana

          Gabriel Giffords was shot by a young man afflicted with mental illness to the extent that he is incompetent to stand trial. nothing to do with “hippie.

          Your comments are disturbing which is, I am sure your objective.  
          Is there no other means for you to deal with your disdain for Obama than ruining an otherwise  rational discussion? 

    • TFRX

      “My intuition is that President Obama and the SEIU and OWS are going to instigate a Race War”.

      Really, the best way to insult you is to repeat your own words.

      You know that that right-wing bullflop doesn’t fly here like on some right-wing sites, don’t you?

  • Rex Henry

    Has the shooter been questioned? It’s funny how someone is dead and from what I know, the police are looking the other way.

    • Modavations

      Conjecture and speculation.Trial by the mob offends the civilized

      • Hidan

         the Racist homophobes speaks.

        Boston can’t be that scary.

  • Kookoo Cory

    I haven’t seen a definitive account of what happened.  Having spent time in law enforcement, I know there are justifiable reasons to shoot an unarmed individual.  At a distance, in the dark, with an unknown person reaching into a pocket…  You are taught to protect yourself at all costs, because you can’t protect anyone else if you are dead.

    I’m not justifying this shooting, I’m just saying that we may not know and may never know the most important details.

    I don’t think it is likely that the shooter thought to himself, “Hey, I’m going to gun down an unarmed black kid”.  Some may want to believe that, but it seems unlikely to me.

    • Modavations

      Remember the kid in the Bronx.He got shot so many times he looked like Swiss Cheese.The cops were vilified.It turns out Dioala(?) had reached into his back pocket.No gun found,but a threatening move led to acquital.Let this case run it’s course in the courts,not on MSNBC.Guys like Jeffe68 were calling for Zimmermans head yesterday.No trial,just hang him

    • Gregg

      Nothing Kookoo about that Cory.

    • Garepa

      you are the kind of scumbag that needs to be locked up

      • Kookoo Cory

        What about my post makes me a “scumbag”?

        • Modavations

          The howling mob,pay him no mind

    • Karen

      But Zimmerman wasn’t law enforcement and Trayvon started running away from Zimmerman.  In what scenario is Trayvon a threat to Zimmerman that he needed self defense?  If you listen to the 911 tapes, it’s pretty clear that Zimmerman chased him down even after the 911 dispatcher told him not to do that.

      • Kookoo Cory

        I thought Trayvon had elected to walk and not run…  All I’m saying is these details need to be sorted through, and justice done.

      • karen

        http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-death-friend-phone-teen-death-recounts/story?id=15959017

        read what Trayvon’s girlfriend says. She was on the phone with him while he was being chased.

        • Modavations

          Should we try him or hang him

          • Robert Riversong

            Try Zimmerman, who might be redeemable. Hang Modavations, who is beyond redemption.

          • Modavations

            How’s the blood on your hands.Wait till your Karma catches up.But Moda,but Moda screw the 5 million Africans that malaria chewed up,we saved the birdies.

    • Robert Riversong

      “These a**holes
      always get away,” Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency dispatch number. There’s the evidence of his motivation.
      He was also crossing very clear lines. The manual from the
      Neighborhood Watch program states: “It should be emphasized to members
      that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or
      pursue vehicles.”

       

      According to Chris
      Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about
      22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a
      registered group.

  • AC

    how old was the man who shot him?

    • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

      How old “is” the man who shot him… Zimmerman is still alive… and free I might add. The local police sound like the keystone cops.

      • AC

        I remember visiting my hubby’s grandparents in FL & all they did was watch golf and cops on TV. They thought the outside world had gone to hell & his Grandad kept a handgun in the side pocket of his lounge chair….(& yes, personally i thought he was racist but - i don’t think he would have just shot anybody for walking around). I’m just thinking there’s prob a large % of older people in FL with old-fashioned philosophies who own guns – dangerous combo!! is there an age limit to purchase guns?

        • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

          In other words, one can travel to places in the United States that feel like a whole other country. Amazingly, people who live in those places come to Massachusetts and Connecticut and say the same thing!

          Maybe civil war is upon us…

          • Modavations

            Not civil war,but a one week flare up.Unfortunetly Watts hasn’t recovered from the last riots.

          • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

            I’ve been to Watts within the last year, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • Modavations

            I haven’t been in 10years so you may be right.Did you not get my point

          • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

            Yes, I think I did. We’ll have smaller, shorter flare ups… I just don’t think they’ll be in Watts, more like southern Ohio or certain parts of Kentucky.

          • Modavations

            Let’s hope we’re both wrong

          • Modavations

            My point is the rioters unfortunetly have their own neighborhoods trashed and it takes forever to rebuild

        • Modavations

          Everyone’s racist to a certain degree.Clans and all that.The Left unfortunetly is famous for lynching.KKK and Sen Byrd,Gore,et al

          • paj

             Gore?

          • TFRX

            The poster probably means Al Gore Sr (father of the VP).

            The poster is going through his discredited claptrap, with a twist, talking about “the left” when he means the Democratic power structure in old South (before the GOP’s Southern Strategy, as a reaction to the CRA and the VRA in the 1960s). That’s what you and I would call “southern Democrats” or even “Dixiecrats”.

            If you wait, that poster will not say anything about racists who are Republicans. To him, Robert Byrd was once in the Klan (and had recanted ages ago, and publicly, and profusely), and therefore all liberals are racists against black people.

          • Modavations

            Yeah,yeah and Hitler,Mao and Stalin were just misunderstood Yoots.And if we give Communism one more try,it will surely suceed.You want me to take you serious then afford the poor a school voucher

  • Hidan

    Police fight against youtube to block videos or police abuse.

    http://rt.com/news/google-report-police-brutality-767/

    Google has been asked by a US law enforcement agency to remove several videos exposing police brutality from the video sharing service YouTube, the company has revealed in its latest update to an online transparency report.

    Another request filed by a different agency required Google to remove videos allegedly defaming law enforcement officials. The two requests were among 92 submissions for content removal by various authorities in the US filed between January and June 2011. Both were rejected by Google along with 27 per cent of the submissions.

    The IT giant says the overall number of requests for content removal it receives from governmental agencies has risen, and so has the number of requests to disclose the private data of Google users.

    http://www.wassom.com/posting-videos-of-police-on-youtube-protected-by-the-first-amendment.html

    In its Aug. 26, 2011 opinion Glik v. Cunniffe, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit became the latest court to rule that the First Amendment allows citizens to record police officers acting in the line of duty. Of course, people have been recording cops since at least 1991, when George Holliday’s video of Los Angeles cops beating Rodney King sparked a national outrage.

    But 20 years later, it’s still not universally clear whether it’s legal to record the police.  The First Circuit’s ruling is only binding in a few northeastern states. And every week brings another headline about yet another citizen arrested and charged with wiretapping or eavesdropping (or sued civilly for invasion of privacy) for doing the same thing. Indeed, a 41-year-old mechanic in Illinois currently faces life in prison merely for recording officers issuing a citation

    • Kookoo Cory

      Of course they do.  It is simple institutional self preservation.  In this case it is known as the thin blue line.

    • Raindance52008

      If it was done in public, it wasn’t exactly private… And if it was brutality… it was brutality.  That simple.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently, a number of the people blabbering in the comments section haven’t even bothered to read any of the background articles. 

    Zimmerman (28 years old) wasn’t “law enforcement,” he was a self-appointed “neighborhood watch captain,” apparently with little or no formal training in law enforcement.

    • Modavations

      Let the courts do their work.Oh I forgot,you prefer the howling mob.If you haven’t  read Bon Fire of the Vanities,please do so. 

      • Hidan

         No charges where brought up and the chief said he saw no reasons. Hench no courts. moda troll.

        • Modavations

          And you know more then the Police Chief???

    • Kookoo Cory

      The flipside of this is the behavior of the teen who was shot.  Was he just a playful lad munching on skittles, gunned down in cold blood by a frothing southern racist?  Were there elements of behavior and environment that contributed to this situation.  Unfamiliar neighborhood after dark, doing who knows what?

      I believe strongly that the truth usually lies in the middle.  As Obi Wan Kenobi said, “Only a Sith believes in absolutes”.

      • Hidan

         “Fair and Balance” or “Objective”?

        • Kookoo Cory

          Trying.

      • Saighead

        Are you kidding? In what possible situation is a vigilante shooting an unarmed child justified?  The truth is a child is dead.  That’s pretty absolute. His killer walks free, and has expressed no remorse so far as I’ve heard?
        You realize Obi Wan is a fictional character, right?

        • Modavations

          F.Lee,how do you know Zimmerman knew the kid was unarmed.The howling friggin mobs.

          • BEEZ

            When Trayvon was crying for his life…I’m SURE he knew at that point

          • Modavations

            hEARSAY,INNUENDO AND SPECULATION.dO YOU BELIEVE IN THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE

          • denis

            Yes, unfortunately your vigilante did not.  He decided to be judge and executioner.

    • Hidan

       Yes but,

      From the start, Trayvon’s family accused Sanford police of molding the investigation to fit Zimmerman’s account. Several witnesses said they heard cries that sounded like a boy wailing — howling silenced by the crack of gunfire — and were shocked to hear police later portray the cries as Zimmerman’s. One witness said police ignored her repeated phone calls.

      The police chief was accused of telling lies big and small in ways that shielded Zimmerman. The family hired attorneys who helped devise a national campaign to demand a federal investigation.

      http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/19/2703029/us-department-of-justice-fbi-and.html

      Also there’s been reports that the police department allowed others to comment questionable acts while covering or hiding information, Not only that the family had to fight with the Police to release the 9/11 tapes that disproves the below statement made by the Polie Chief

      Police Chief Bill Lee told The Miami Herald that he was comfortable that his investigators were fair and thorough.

      “I can say very confidently we would welcome any outside entity that wants to come look at what we did,” Lee said last week. “They are welcome to come here and look at it. We have not done anything but conduct a fair and complete investigation.”

      He dismissed accusations of irregularities and insisted that investigators found no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman because there was no evidence to disprove his version of events.

      • Modavations

        If you’re siding with the police chief he must be black.You’re racist to the core.My opinion

    • Still Here

      Nobody here knows all the facts, that won’t stop the blabbering. 

      • Anonymous

        Yes, we do.  A 17-year-old boy, Trayvon Martin is dead. He was shot by Zimmerman. You are right about not knowing all the facts, such as why did this man, Zimmerman have to shoot an unarmed kid.

    • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

      Correction: Zimmerman IS 28 years old and IS still a self-appointed neighborhood watchman. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed as the local police have done nothing. Is that right?

      • Robert Riversong

        Not a self-appointed neighborhood watchman – a self-appointed vigilante. He was not affiliated with any of the 22,000 registered Neighborhood Watch groups in the US, which are specifically forbidden from carrying guns or using police powers.

    • Armidalm

      More specifically, a wannabe fascist. Unfortunately their numbers are growing, it is alarming. 

    • Robert Riversong

      Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual. The manual from the Neighborhood Watch program states: “It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”

      According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group, which police were not aware of at the time of the incident.

      Zimmerman was a self-appointed vigilante, nothing more. And one of his recorded messages to the police dispatcher was “These assholes always get away”.

  • Still Here

    This whole topic reminds me of the Tuscon shootings when Tom went off assigning blame and determining the lessons before any of the facts were available.  Soon thereafter, he completely forgot the lessons and ignored the facts that surfaced.

    I suspect there will be a great deal of that today with many people fitting the “facts” as they think they know them into their pre-existing and stagnant world view.  Whatever.  I’m going to listen to Diane.

    • Modavations

      It was that story and Tom’s saying the Acropolis was 5000yrs old,that got me involved with this insane asylum.I’ll never forget the Gabby story.Lefties were calling Tom and saying what the f-ckdude, there are nuts on both sides.Tom kept saying,but it’s more prevalent on the right.
           Tommy,Tommy,The kid that shot Gabby was a Birkenstocker,JFK and RFK were offed by leftist loons

      • Robert Riversong

        JFK, RFK, and MLK were each murdered by the same consortium of CIA, Mafia and anti-Castro rightwing Cubans. In the case of MLK, the US Army was also involved with a sniper team and a camera team (though they did not make the kill, but were there as backup).

        This conspiracy was proven in a court of law in a civil case brought by the King family who knew that James Earl Ray was a patsy (as was Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan). Read An Act of State by attorney William F. Pepper, who spend 15 years researching this before bringing the facts to a jury.

        Modavations creates his own history to match his fantasies about the world that the rest of us actually live in.

  • Patrik

    I have listened to the conversation between the police and the gunman, the police told him specifically not to follow the youth.  He did so anyway.  He let his prejudice of another race augment his reasoning and his GUN enabled him to commit his murder much easier than he could have with his hands (psychological difference). 

    This is why there HAS to be stronger gun laws, there are too many people who have seen too many movies and COPS episodes and are delusional with believing they are authority and lose all sense when walking around with a loaded weapon.

    The police department have a few questions to answer.  Not even detention?  

    • notafeminista

      Minor point – it was the 911 operator who told Zimmerman not to follow. 

      • Patrik

        True, thank you.

        • Cmrosko

           It was the police department dispatch who told Zimmerman not to
          continue pursuing Martin. Not a MINOR point especially when you consider
          that this  28 year old, 200 lb. armed prejudiced stalker, Zimmerman, is
          claiming self defense against a 17 year old 140 lb. unarmed black teen.

      • Cmrosko

         It was the police department dispatch who told Zimmerman not to continue pursuing Martin. Not a MINOR point especially when you consider that this  28 year old, 200 lb. armed prejudiced stalker, Zimmerman, is claiming self defense against a 17 year old 140 lb. unarmed black teen.

        • Patrik

          I was just agreeing that I should have specified who.  It doesnt change my opinion based on all the information given.

        • notafeminista

          According to the Miami Herald it was a 911 operator who advised Mr. Zimmerman to stop following Mr. Martin.  A civilian.  I believe that one of the factors in this incident is that Mr. Zimmerman is himself a civilian with no law enforcement authority.

          The 911 operator has no more authority than Mr. Zimmerman does.  He/She cannot force Mr. Zimmerman (or anyone else for that matter) from acting.  He had the choice to listen to the operator or not.  He chose not.

          • Anonymous

            Which is the whole point. This man was over zealous or so it seems in this case. Shooting someone is a serious matter. I don’t care what you say or what your views are on gun control or ownership and nor are mine the issue here. Someone was killed, for no reason.

          • notafeminista

            While I absolutely agree that shooting someone is a very serious matter…you show in your post that you have no idea if there was a reason to shoot or not. 
            “The man was overzealous…or so it seems”.   No one knows and because one individual was unarmed, we assume the other individual was wrong.

          • Cmrosko

            A police dispatch operator may or may not be an actual police officer some are and some are not. In any case they all do receive some degree of training and instruction from a legal police force and represent police rulings to the public for sound, legal reasons which are recorded as such.

            In this case Zimmerman’s refusal to ignore the police directives not to pursue resulted in Martin’s death.

          • notafeminista

            No…they don’t. 

          • Modavations

            Your honor,this is hearsay,innuendo,rumor.

            Sustained!!!

          • denis

            Are you referring to judge / executioner Zimmerman?

          • Armidalm

            911 are trained professional people, That person should not be the matter of the controversy, so do not stir up the issue. . .as some like to say.

          • notafeminista

            They are not law enforcement and do not have the authority of. 

          • Cmrosko

            Zimmerman called the Sanford police dept. and the operator identified
            their self as “Sanford Police Dept”… listen to the recording…

          • notafeminista

            Yes.  Communications workers answer the phone with the name of the agency.  The communication worker may or may not be paid by that agency and may be a civilian.  Lots of civilians work in police departments, sheriffs’ offices and fire departments all across the United States.

      • Anonymous

        The point is he disregarded the request to stop following this kid. He did not. I’m not sure why on earth a neighborhood watch needs to be armed.

        For the police this only adds to the problems of showing up at an incident and seeing an armed man or woman who is a citizen. It seems to me like a recipe for disaster. The events here seem to bare that out.

        That Zimmerman is still out and about and not charged due to Florida’s really dumb gun laws. The law reads as such: “to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force,” if he feels threatened.

        In my view this is complete madness. So the shooter gets to determine the threat is this how this law is written? Am I missing something here?

        • notafeminista

          The point is, that people are behaving as though Mr. Zimmerman disobeyed a police order when (at least initially) he did not.  People are behaving as though 911 and law enforcement are interchangeable.  They are not.
          If we are going to hold Mr. Zimmerman accountable for behaving as though he is law enforcement even though he is not, then he cannot be disparaged for ignoring instruction provided by a civilian who was not at the scene.

          Cake and eat it too moment.

          • Cmrosko

            Zimmerman called the Sanford police dept. and the operator identified their self as “Sanford Police Dept”… listen to the recording…

          • TFRX

            Don’t bother someone while they’re splitting hairs.

          • notafeminista

            Facts are pesky things.

        • Robert Riversong

          “I’m not sure why on earth a neighborhood watch needs to be armed.”

          Not only do they not need to be armed, they are specifically forbidden from being armed by the national Neighborhood Watch Program, of which Zimmerman was not a registered member. 

          He was acting as a self-appointed vigilante under the guise of a neighborhood watch. And he said to the police dispatcher “These assholes always get away”. That, alone, should be sufficient reason to question his motives. He then stalked and hunted down a panicked boy screaming for help. 

          The known facts should be more than sufficient to detain Zimmerman and perform a real investigation.

    • Modavations

      Is that a fact,or are you speculating F.Lee….I love the Left,the howling mob….Off with his head,no trial needed

  • Cmrosko

    The 911 and police dispatch recording are very damning evidence against Zimmerman.

    #) In the recordings Zimmerman admits to pursuing Martin and the police dispatch operator directs Zimmerman to stop pursuit.

    #)Zimmerman makes claims against Martin’s behavior and character that have no basis in rational thought or fact.

    #) Martin can be heard screaming for help immediately before Zimmerman shoots Martin dead.

    ‎911 recoding of Martin screaming for help then being shot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj4RHJ0taoc&feature=watch_response

    police dispatch recording of Zimmerman stalking Martin and reporting to police that Martin is a suspicious looking a–hole trying to get away with something
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-MMPdL5PP0&feature=related

  • aj

    Let this punk motherfuc*er off. Forget federal hate crime bullsh*t laws.  Smoke this boss hog in the street like he done to lil’ Tray. A Time To Kill.

    ” Don’t worry,
    we’ll get this sucka back,
    before your buried. ”

    -Tupac Amaru Shakur

    • Modavations

      Here comes head racist # 2…Actually I’m confused.Who’s the head racist around here,Aj or Hidan.Hidan seemed to have the anti-semite portfolio but now he’s muscling in.Your thoughts please AJ

      • aj

        ” There’s no justice, there’s just us ”

        -Chuck D.

  • Eric M. Jones

    Chill…! 

    As tragic as this is, getting everyone stirred up and more people killed is a very bad idea.

    The media just wants to sell soap and stir up turmoil. Don’t do it.

    • Cmrosko

       The police conduct in this case warrants “getting everyone stirred up”. Police must be policed by the people for good reasons in a healthy society.

      • Cmrosko

        I’m advocating vigilance and legal justice not violence as a response to this event. The issue is important and it serves society well for the media to broadcast it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:

     I am sad because after 20 years in America. I am still discriminated upon by other colored people.

    • Modavations

      qUIT CRYING.yOU’RE A FREE MAN IN A FREE COUNTRY.i gOT YOUR BACK AS ALWAYS

  • Ren Knopf

    Zimmerman: poorly trained, armed and unwilling to follow police instuction – and protected by an unconscionable state law. Trayvon Martin: dead. Well, I know I’m just shocked. Do I need to add that one was white and the other black?

    • Anonymous

      Actually Zimmerman was Latino.

    • Lark

      One was Latino.

      • Hmm

         Yes, and one can be a white Latino or a black Latino.  Notice the police first thought he was white.

    • TFRX

      Genuinely asking: Exactly what “training” is involved before someone with a pistol gets to be in a “neighborhood watch”?

      I don’t know much about security guards, but I suppose the kind who carry sidearms have been through a truckload of training (at least w.r.t. the legal ramifications for discharging the weapon) compared to the ones who carry only radios. (Correct as needed.)

      • Robert Riversong

        The manual from the Neighborhood Watch program states: “It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”

        According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group.

  • rawSugar

    Florida, land of injustice for blacks- youths and adults. But to have the FBI get involved because the local police department won’t do their job and arrest Zimmerman, is horrific. 

    If we remove race from this conversation, the fact is, this guy killed a teenager for no reason and yet he is walking free. Is Sanford hoping for riots, cuz that’s where things are headed.

    Disgusted Floridian…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      not really Blacks and Whites that are poor are discriminated by the rich people. I live in Jacksonville, Florida. That city forgot all about the poor Americans.

      • Modavations

        I thought you were in boston

    • Robert Riversong

      Why is it “horrific” for the Justice Department/FBI to investigate violations of federal civil rights statutes?

  • Lark

    Are there not “voiceprints” that can be used to identify whether the calls for help match Zimmerman’s voiceprint?

    • Cmrosko

      yeh right.. the healthy 200 lb. armed 28 year old guy is crying for help from the unarmed 140 lb. 17 year old teen…

      • Robert Riversong

        Skittles and AZ iced tea both contain lots of sugar. Sugar can kill, therefore the youth was carrying deadly weapons.

  • Jordan Davies

    This in part is the result of a law as noted in the NYT of today

    “The shooting has raised new questions about Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which was approved in 2005. The law does not require a person who is threatened to retreat in order to claim self-defense, and Mr. Zimmerman has claimed he fired his weapon while defending himself.”

    • Anonymous

      Standing your ground shouldn’t extend to a right to pursue and provoke the interaction. 

    • Robert Riversong

      Zimmerman said he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck, police said. He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry.

      The police accepted this statement as credible.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:

    I thought discrimination is synonymous with caucasians but it’s actually breeds in every skin color.

    • Modavations

      In my opinion blacks are the most racist of Americas current crop.

      • Modavations

        Sorry,sorry,baited on by the Marxist Professors(usually white)

      • Robert Riversong

        Absolutely. They get up every morning, look in the mirror, and say “there’s a black person”, thereby proving that they identify people by racial characteristics.

        • Modavations

          What part of “in my opinion”is a mystery.I don’t talk to guys who think it cool to yank DDT,let 5 million blacks die and say,well we saved eagles….Even though WHO said in 2006 the science was bogus.

  • Tina

    When will people stop saying, “guns don’t kill”?!!!!!!!

    • Modavations

      10 years.Good god lady

  • Armidalm

    Please, I would like to the team producing On Point, most likely the best current event radio program in the nation, to consider inviting William J. Stuntz, formerly Henry J. Friendly Professor at Harvard University and author of The Collapse of the American Criminal Justice. This book was published in 2011 by the Belknap Press of Harvard University Press.

  • Kathy

    This so reminds me of the of the Jefferson Airplane lyrics:
    Paranoia strikes deepInto your life it will creepIt starts when you’re always afraidYou step out of line, the man come and take you away
     
    I think it’s time we stop, children, what’s that soundEverybody look what’s going down 

    We really are, as a country, going backward.  So sad.

    • Modavations

      I still have faith.This is a golden age with a few burps along the way

    • notafeminista

      Buffalo Springfield. 

  • Steve

    …”blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God…
    ….blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled…” 

  • Marcos

    Just because a kid has been suspended from school, doesn’t make him a rotten apple.

  • Sunilx

    Mr Ashbrook, what on earth relevance has Trayvon’s school record to do with the matter at hand? Are you claiming that the shooter knew this and this justified cold-blooded MURDER?

    • notafeminista

      It might indicate a pattern of behavior.   Just as posters have been doing here with Mr. Zimmerman.

  • Anonymous

    The police department was wishing this would go away however many questions remain. He had a cellphone that his father was calling for three days after the shooting that went unanswered and now we learn this young lady had a conversation with Trayvon before he was killed. Someone must have shut the phone off or discarded it. Next, there ws no drug or alcohol testing of Zimmerman after the shooting nor was their and testing of powder burns on his hands. That evidence is now lost forever.

    The police department has done a shoddy investigation tht will come back to haunt them and the city all up the chain of command.

    • Modavations

      Good god,you haven’t learned anything.It’s all conjecture,speculation,rumor

      • Anonymous

        What is the rumor? He was not drug tested, Trayvon had a cellphone, and Zimmerman was not tested for power burns. These are the facts.

        • Modavations

          Courts are for litigation not howling mobs

          • Anonymous

            This case will be litigated once the facts are given to the grand jury and he will have his day in court. The howling mobs will be outside where they belong.

  • X-ray

    A TV report from the scene showed a gated community in which Martin was
    shot. He did not live in that community. So the suggestion that he was just
    “walking by” seems not to be accurate. He would have had to go out of his way
    to enter the area, for a unknown purpose.

    • deweng

      He was staying with his father, who lived there.

    • Anonymous

      Get your facts right before you post. He was visiting his father who lived in the community.

  • jim

    It is sad that the situation has degraded into race-politics instead of a discussion on whether or not a human being (who was not in mortal danger) can take the life of another.

    • Armidalm

      Please, let us not pretend that race is not an issue here. Would that boy had been killed if he were white? Would had been the object of what it seems is bigoted suspicion and sheer paranoia?

      • jim

        We can speculate as to whether or not the shooter is racist, or maybe we can think about whether or not he had the right to shoot an unarmed man.

        • jim

          Linking these types of crime to racism only serves to polarize black and white communities instead of bringing them together to work on solutions.

          • Armidalm

            Excuse me, the racial issue is not gratuitous. There is a wide pattern of incidents like that. Perhaps he is not a racist, but brave and courageous he doesn’t seem to be.

          • Armidalm

            That is the point! This is an aberrant action.

  • MG/ Omaha

    Florida “Stand your ground” law is so racially biased that the shooting of Trayvon Martin is not the first incident but the first where a Vigilant neighborhood watch involved.Florida’s law has allowed drug dealears get off with Stand your ground law even when a young child is shot
    acidentally the dealer gets off. The law is the reason for this man not being charged.
    Iowa beware this is the law your legislation is considering.

  • WW_ph15

    If a woman kills her husband in self defense because he was abusive, she would go to jail and there would be a trial. Why was this man not arrested and held?! If another person saw Zimmerman with the gun and shot him because they felt threatened by him after seeing him shoot Trayvon, would they be free too?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyndi-Armstrong/704124574 Cyndi Armstrong

    I could care less about the color of anyone’s kid.  Can you prove that the neighborhood watch guy is a racist?  If not you are running his name thru the mud.   Would there be this kind of hoopla if the kid that was shot was white?  Heck no!  Does my heart go out to the family of the teen?  Absolutely!  However, I think this has gotten way out of hand.  I think that until we prove otherwise (which may happen, I’m not saying it wouldn’t) that this really should be treated as a horrible accident.  We need to look at the neighborhood watch in that area and find out what the local police are telling them on how to handle these kind of situations.  For all you know, someone told them to shoot first and call the cops later.  Lets get all the facts!

    • TFRX

      Would there be this kind of hoopla if the kid that was shot was white? Heck no!

      You may want to familiarize yourself with cases prosecuted as related to the race of the victim.

    • Anonymous

      And yet the teen was black and the shooter was a white Latino. The fact is this man shot this teen. Was it race based? I’m not sure, but this guy Zimmerman did what he did. He took a life.

      Also, I don’t know about you but the idea of untrained idiots running around with guns and pretending to be cops does not sound like a good idea.

    • Adks12020

      The cops told Zimmerman not to pursue him.  Zimmerman did.  The kid wasn’t armed and Zimmerman shot him.

      The fact that Zimmerman isn’t under arrest is ridiculous.  If he was a black man he would be in jail…without question.

  • http://www.atomicdesignads.com/ Rob Zeleniak

    The telling point for me was when the dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was pursuing Martin and told him “We don’t need you to do that.” He should have followed instructions. Zimmerman’s behavior had a paranoid tinge, and had made dozens of 911 to appear “useful” to the police.

  • Keera

    I totally disagree with the previous guest: There wasn’t fear in Zimmerman’s voice on that 911 tape. There was aggression, as evidenced by the quote “These a**holes always get away”…and that is why he continued to pursue. If he was scared, he wouldn’t have. 

    • TFRX

      Did we also hear at the beginning Zimmerman tell the 911 dispatcher, “We’ve had a lot of break-ins in the area lately”?

      Yeah, that’s something I’m not gonna take Zimmerman’s word on. Sounds like he’s set his cap already.

  • Anonymous

    His parents gave the local authorities every chance they could to do the right thing. Unfortunately, for black males in particular, this suspicion that every black man (in this case boy who was outweighed by Zimmerman by 80 lbs) was some type of criminal or threat is ludicrous at best. The Feds should have moved on this more quickly.

  • Anonymous

    To me the key issue is that Zimmerman pursued Martin.  I think that obviates the stand your ground part of the defense.  We have similar though less un-restrictive castle doctrine in PA.  A few years ago a local man was convicted of murder for shooting an unarmed neighbor who was trying to get into to his parents townhouse, but had the wrong one.  The key was that the shooter unlocked his door and with his gun drawn beckoned the guy to come in.  Then he shot him in the back yard (and put one in his head for good measure).  If he had merely called the cops, he’d be a free man today.

    I think the circumstances are the same even with differing laws.  If the shooter had just listened to law enforcement, we would be discussing something else today.

  • Modavations

    For those who have not read it,peruse Bonfire of the Vanities

    • PJ2012

      The incident in Bonfire was an accident and the victim was spun. What happened to Mr. Martin was not an accident-he was intentionally targeted by an overzealous wanna be cop. There is nothing comedic about the lose of a life.

      • Modavations

        And the howling mobs and race baiters????

  • Anonymous

    You know what’s weird about this, if this was a police shooting the officer would have been put on leave pending investigation of the incident. At least this is the procedure in a lot of police departments. However, this civilian shoots what is now clearly an unarmed teenager and nothing happens? Nuts, that’s completly nuts.

  • Julia

    How do you simultaneously carry (possibly a plastic bag containing) skittles and an arizona iced tea and hold a cell phone while also having your hands in your waistband?!

  • Muriel

    The dangerous person is George Zimmermann who sounds very paranoid and insecure AND he was allowed to carry a very dangerous gun.  If anyone he does not know who walks his neighborhood is supect of being a criminal, we are all in danger, possibly black teenagers more than anybody else, of being shot by Mr. Zimmerman.

    This kid’s school record should not even be mentioned.  He was walking peacefully unarmed on a sidewalk!

    • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

      But the person whose record needs much more examination is Zimmerman.   It was reported Zimmerman had called the cops something like 41 times over the last 18 months always reporting “suspicious black men.”  Why was someone so paranoid running a neighborhood watch group?  Why was he allowed to have a gun?

  • Legalstu

    While I think Zimmerman was a loose cannon and should be arrested, what is the image that the popular young black  community promotes?  I will tell you, the Gangsta Rappa, the drug selling, gun weilding, pimping tough ass.  We are surprised when people fear them?  That is what some want

    • Dave K

       & you are what is wrong with this country. You assume that all black males are gangstar rappa drug dealing gun wielding etc. Get your head out of your racist ass.

    • http://profiles.google.com/lynne.jackier Lynne Jackier

      There are some young white men who foster a tough guy, bad boy image. Does that mean all white teen boys and young men deserve to be found suspicious?  To be shot for walking through a gated community neighborhood?

    • deweng

      I actually think you might be stuck in the nineties here.  Modern culture is far more diffuse than it has been in the past; there are many alternative images of a modern black male, precisely because the stereotypes proliferated in the past decade have been so harmful to so many communities.

  • jim

    This goes to show how racist Florida is. i still recall the 2000 election when the Bush country prevented black voters from voting using its troopers to pull potential black voters to the poll. If it were a white victim and the perpetrator is black I bet you someone in the black community will get lynched or someone in that community will be randomly pull out to serve death row.

  • Wes

    I don’t see how Zimmerman can claim “self defense” if he RAN AFTER Trayvon Martin? If you CHASE someone, how can you claim you were acting in self defense?!?

    • Michael TAney

       Even if he’s telling the truth — even if it *was* self-defense — the fact that a 28 yro man tells police who just killed an unarmed teenager walks away from police simply because he says it was self defense is nuts, is baffling, and is total crap police work.  How can anyone blame anyone else for wondering if racism was involved.  What other explanation is there for this total lack of basic law enforcement protocol is there?  

  • AC

    this zimmerman person sounds like he was waiting for just this sort of opportunity…couldn’t anyone tell he had issues? he doesn’t sound stable to me, why is he not under some sort of observation right now? he might snap in some other way given the pressure of the microscope he’s now under!!

  • WW_ph15

    It sounds like Zimmerman was the suspicious and threatening character in the neighborhood not the unarmed kid.

  • MG/ Omaha, NE

    Is this a gun law and a gun permit issue

  • Anonymous

    I’m a stay at home mom to a 2 year old black male child. I’m raising him to be open and accepting of others. How do I raise him in this culture when people like Zimmerman and bias police officers can take his life when they choose?
    Do I tell him to distrust white men because they consider him a target?

    • notafeminista

      What if you had a daughter instead?  How do you protect her from violent predatory males?

  • Monica Roland

    ‘Stand Your Ground’ can’t apply here.  Zimmerman GOT OUT OF HIS CAR to confront Trayvon.  He had no right to do this.  The police told him to stop following Trayvon.  He was hunting.  He needs to be arrested.

  • Jeremy S

    If Trayvon had been a young white man, Zimmerman would already be in prison. If it were Trayvon that was yelling “Help” in the 911 tape, what argument can be made in protection of Zimmerman? What a horrific end for an innocent person, let’s at least give him justice and learn from his death.

  • Susan

    Like it or not, since the subject is about race, perceptions matter. The current perception is blacks cause trouble and it is best not to attend schools with blacks, live near blacks and go through areas that blacks dominate.

    • Drew D

      @susan…who has that perception?  “All” white people? “most” hispanics?  Would you be surprised to know that the current perception of whites is that they drink too much, feel emboldened, and randomly attack people who are not like themselves, fully expecting to be exonerated by a “justice” system that winks and says, “they’re just being kids…it got a little out of hand is all….”

      • Susan

        I would say yes, most white people don’t move into black areas, don’t want their kids attending schools with large black number of students and avoid the black part of town. It is the real world that we live in and not much will change.

        • notafeminista

          You, know there was a story NPR did at the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board.  It was quite fascinating in that “what we’ve learned” in the 50 years post Brown is that people (of all types) tend to work,play and live amongst those who look like them.

          • notafeminista

            …oops. Misplacement of comma…editor not quite back from vacation.

          • Mister Khampa

             Yeah, because when they try to do otherwise they have to spend most of that time trying not to stand out — it’s stressful.

          • notafeminista

            Beats me.  Ask NPR.

  • Jenndjc

    Zimmerman pursued the poor boy despite being told not to by the 911 operator. Zimmerman shot the unarmed boy because he was black. I don’t believe that it was self defense. How could a grown man with a gun be threatened by a boy with candy. Zimmerman should feel the full brunt of the law. He needs to be punished. The poor boy was pleading for help. America should be sickened by this incident and collectively feel shame that deadly racism still exists. We as a country need to band togther and fight this racism.

  • Parkersquinn

    I am left wondering why your guests continue to bring up white people when neither of the parties where white. I understand the laws, I do not believe that Mr. Zimmerman was in the right, this is a tragic and avoidable situation however it bothers me that it has turned to a race issue when no one raises an eye brow to black on black crime.

    • Hmm

      Zimmerman was adopted into a white family.  He’s Hispanic, which is not a race.  One can be a white or black Hispanic.  He was perceived as being white by the police who at first stated that he was white.  He probably sees himself as white.  It is a race issue.  Race is more about how you are perceived than what you actually are.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, the commentator just said “being a black young man is a life threatening occupation”. Walking while black apparently is a crime. When was the last time you aggressively attacked someone who was much larger than you, that was armed. I guess Sanford police will believe anything as long as someone who isn’t black is saying it.

  • al

    The “stand your ground” law should not apply to a person who deliberately arms himself, goes out “on patrol” and then chases down a person he suspects of being “up to no good”, even though he has observed no illegal action.

  • scott

    It is all too familiar today for law enforcement to murder unarmed black males, and walk away with no consequence, but for angry, racist citizens to murder with the same impunity is disgusting to me, and reminds me of lynchings. there is no justice. 

  • Mary

    Sorry to join so late, but in the car I heard the woman at the beginning of the program refer to Zimmerman being “on his patrol” and would like to know a bit more about that phrase given that he is not a member of any official law enforcement group.  

  • TyroneJ

    The reality of the situation is that George Zimmerman’s actions probably at worst rise to the level of involuntary manslaughter. Florida does not distinguish between voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter, so even purely accidental killings where “no one did anything wrong” can carry very harsh penalties in Florida. Hence the
    reason the police probably did not file any charges.

    Unfortunately, the family’s blood lust for revenge has been exploited by race baiters like Al Sharpton for their own political purposes. The Obama Administration’s involvement is also purely political.  Zimmerman should be sued by the Martin family in civil court, and a jury decide how much of the situation was Zimmerman’s fault and how much was Martin’s fault.

    • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

      So if you have a kid who was murdered, wanting justice for your kid is “blood lust?”

      • TyroneJ

        Depends on your idea of “justice”. Just calling something justice does not make it so. The KKK stringing up black men in the old south for talking to a white woman called what they did “justice”.

        • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

          And it sounds like you don’t believe Zimmerman should even be indicted and go to trial?  I’m not so sure he’d be convicted, given the level of racism in that part of Florida, but getting out of a car, chasing down and shooting a guy is all legal?

          • TyroneJ

            Actually, the responses to my original comment exemplify why we need an impartial justice system. Especially the fact that the responders attack me or what they percieve to be my “beliefs”, rather than address what I said about The Law. That is very telling.

            As I said, Florida law does not allow for the type of manslaughter charge against Zimmerman that most States would be able to levy (and probably would in this type of case), namely an involuntary manslaughter charge. Because of that, prosecutors in Florida have to make a judgement as to whether to go “whole hog” or “do nothing” in this type of situation. The fault that has resulted in the blatant lack of legal granularity lies with the Laws of the State of Florida.

            The Feds are stepping in with a “civil rights investigation”, but all of those are and always have been politically motivated cherry picked prosecutions. (Otherwise you’d see them routinely.)

            The fact that political manipulators are playing on the family’s quite understandable frustration is, in my opinion, appalling.

            But even under Florida Law, even if Zimmerman never faces any type of criminal charge, the family has the civil courts to get in front of a jury. Just as the Brown family got a measure of justice from OJ Simpson only in civil court, when the criminal court failed them.

        • Michael Taney

           Imagine this — 28 yro black guy just killed a white kid in a black neighborhood.  Black cops arrive.  Shooter tells cops it was self-defense.   Shooter goes home.  Sure.

    • Michael Taney

       There is plenty of probable cause to be found in this fact pattern — for involuntary manslaughter, at least.   Guy holding a 9mm tells cops he just killed an unarmed teenager and then walks simply because he says it was self defense.  This is police work?  Glad I don’t live there.

  • Dave K

    Unfortunately many Latinos seem to think (& often insist) they are white. There is a great deal of anti black prejudice in latin american cultural identity.

  • Thomas

    The gun laws have to be an issue here.  By all accounts, this “neighborhood watch” captain was patrolling while armed, not defending his home against an invasion.

  • RoyC

    Did I hear this wrong?  On the first 911 tape, Zimmerman says, “He looks suspicious,” and the 911-dispatcher says, “Is he black or Hispanic?”  

    • Anonymous

      ..”white, black or hispanic.”  the white part goes very quickly.

      • RoyC

        Thanks, that is better–but it’s still not an exhaustive list.  Maybe, “Can you describe his appearance?” would be less likely to bias a caller’s response. 

        • notafeminista

          Anecdotal information but information nonetheless.  I’m sure you can appreciate that 911 calls are generally of a timely nature and information must be gathered quickly and accurately.  Asking someone to “describe his appearance” will get a jumbled, oftentimes non-specific response.

  • jen

    I’m curious why Zimmerman with an alleged criminal record was allowed to carry semi-automatic weapon. who is empowering this “volunteer” community protection group? Why  was he “empowered” by the community to protect the community given his background etc., and why is he carrying a weapon?

    • Anonymous

      Good point, felony assault on a police officer to boot.

    • Michael Taney

       According to news stories I’ve read the neighborhood was not aware Zimmerman was carrying. 

  • http://twitter.com/OliaYelner Olia Yelner

    I’d like to see a *dated* photo of the victim. The above photo picturing a small child is probably 10 years old. 

    • Dave K

       there are loads of them all over the web. he looked very similar to this photo above.

  • Atakemoto

    We need to stop using race identifiers when speaking of others if we ever expect to stop the senseless hatred in our country.

    • Dave K

      ignoring the symptoms will not make a disease go away. It makes it worse.

      • Jim

        The disease will be beaten when we as  a society can look beyond the ignorant barriers our grandparents set for us. It does no good to teach otherwise happy black and white children that they have to work to fix what they aren’t responsible for. They don’t even know what racism is yet. Just let them get along. Punish Zimmerman for the act of killing another human being, not for killing a black person. (my personal opinion is that he was motivated by a media-perpetrated image of black people and his own ignorance that led to his fear of Trayvon. This however is irrelevant since chasing down an unarmed man should be enough to negate self-defense claims) 

    • Modavations

      Affluence ends the hatred

  • Dan

    Libel law, please!!! It’s high time to enact LIBEL law in the US. There is of course freedom of speech but one should have full responsibility for words spoken!!! When this is done, hate speech will fade off and black kids will not be hunted down.

  • Michael TAney

    I’ve read the story on a variety of venues — there is NO lack of probable cause here.  I’m an investigator and have read many police reports and affidavits.   This is crazy.   Guy holding a 9mm standing over a dead unarmed teenager and he walks away simply because he says it was self-defense?  Baffling.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

     To the caller who blamed this on Rush Limbaugh:

    What an ignorant comment.  This is the kind of blame game that divides our country.

    I’m no Rush lover but this kind of comment rubs me the wrong way.

    • TFRX

      Yes, Rush Limbaugh has always been the voice of reason and deescalation to his listener pod when it comes to gun laws and race relations.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         Glad to hear you are a frequent listener.  Can we call you a dittohead?

      • Modavations

        I love Rush and he’s no racist.I hate Comrad Chris,who is a racist,but I listen anyways.

    • Tina

      Rush Limbaugh fosters ignorance and prejudicial thinking.  I didn’t hear the comment because I missed that part of the show, but I’m afraid I disagree with you. America is eating a huge diet of ugly Faux News and it IS showing, tragically.  Thanks.  

  • Ellen Dibble

    (I typed this last night, and it seemed to crash the cloud, along with my computer.  Listening this morning, rebooting over an hour or so, I think it still holds.  Whatever happened to the pat-frisk?  Police officers are held on the line in court Every Time they stop someone or arrest someone.  We trust them because there is very precise protocol.) 
    If
    Trayvon had lived to see another day, would he be having beer with Obama, the
    way Henry Louis Gates did, after a dust-up with the police in Cambridge which
    you may remember, involving certain misunderstandings, as you may remember?
     

     
      In the case of Trayvon, too, he may not have felt that legitimate law
    enforcement was legitimately pursuing him.  (Indeed, he was right about
    that!)   He may have been unaware that a neighborhood watch was at large.
     I don’t know about Florida, but in Massachusetts, the defense attorneys
    in cases where a stop or arrest has been effected always ask officers (if the
    DA hasn’t already), “Were you in uniform, with your badge showing, radio
    at your side; did you identify yourself as police; were you in a marked
    cruiser?”  

     
      If people think they are being accosted by someone who simply feels
    entitled to get in their way, they are within their rights to get pretty
    defensive.  You know?  One man’s threatening gang member is another
    man’s chief colleague and protector.  

     
       Law enforcement should be better than Everyman and Everywoman at
    transcending biases.  I depend on them to be better than me, and expect
    them to be, and to achieve this, the police should be as multi-ethnic,
    multi-racial, multi-lingual, multi-everything — as possible, for starters.
     

     
      Residents in the neighborhood might be very familiar with the local
    “watch,” but visitors, not so much.  

        Plenty of
    criminals, when asked about their college background, turn out to have studied
    criminal justice.  Zimmerman reminds me of this.

  • Eciroli

    How does Zimmerman claim he was standing his ground if he was actively pursuing Trayvon? If someone is clearly following me, I will definitely take steps to elude that person or turn and confront my persuer, screaming my head off. If Zimmerman had shot and killed me, a white woman, he would arrested immediately. It’s BULL! Tratvon’s death is such a tragedy and he is the VICTIM of a crime!

  • ginger

    As a Boston Public School teacher, there are soooo many comments I could make – such a tragic event, but, I would like to say that after listening to the debate about this over the past few days, I would like to offer that I find the fact that I have heard voices from several African American columnists and op-ed writers to be an amazing step toward the paradigm shift of evening the playing field that needs to keep happening.

    I think that we could get so many kids involved in blogging, etc, to lend their voices.  

  • Roedonad

    Two comments that haven’t been mentioned yet.  1.  The shooter is not your typical redneck southern white guy but an hispanic.  The typical white guy seems to be under attack by inference.  2. A lot of the suspicion of black guys is based on the actual fact that they DO commit violent crimes far out of their proportion of the population.

    • Parkersquinn

      I agree with your first point in that there was no white guy involved so why are we always to blame. For the second point though I disagree, where I live ( rural America) I don’t know a single person that discriminates by skin color but instead by the way they portray themselves. Out here we keep our eye on white guys that sag their pants and wear hoodies and don’t have jobs but always have money. I understand it is probably different in cities but if I have learned anything from the show the first 48, the majority of murders in large cities does not involve a white guy with a legal carry permit but someone that got it illegally, and are usually the same race.

    • Tfhodges

      Oh, but his Hispanic ethnicity aside, he’s the classic typical southern redneck: he’s way overweight, he owns a 9mm, likes to carry it, is a self-appointed “officer”, and so in his teensy teabagger mind he is “The Law” there. He disobeyed the real “Law”, provoked a fight, pulled a gun and ended up shooting and killing an unarmed black boy. Does this sound like anything other than a typical southern redneck? I think not. Live down here in Dixie for a few days and you will better understand.

      We see what cause and effect is in the first instance. Now, tell me what the cause is for “black guys [to] commit violent crimes far out of their proportion of the population”? Do you think the black guys have currently or historically been offered the same opportunities in society as the typical southern redneck, especially in the South? 

      Think. It hurts, I know. But do it anyway.

    • Sussanna88

      Finally, someone who has sense! But you see, only “whites” get labeled “racist.”

  • Grover Gatewood

    What’s missing from the conversations is the recognition that armed “neighborhood watch” groups seem to be proliferating all across America.

    • Modavations

      Wait till they pull the plug on the internet.You ain’t seen nothing yet

    • margbi

       Along with the proliferation of “neighborhood watch” groups, add the presumed “benefit” of additional arms. What we don’t need are more and more weapons in the hands of poorly trained  (or worse, not trained at all) people. I thought the idea for watch groups was to “watch and report” not shoot.

  • Andrea

    While this shooting was obviously racially motivated, we should also address the problem of lunatic vigilantes policing our communities with guns. It isn’t making anyone safer.

    • Tfhodges

      In my 10-house subdivision in a rural part of Teabaggerville, Alabama, every one of us own guns for home/self defense; 11 break-ins in 15 years and all that. But if anyone of us knew a neighbor was “patrolling” the neighborhood with a loaded pistol, and moreover that the guy had been arrested for jaywalking—much less assault/battery—then the Sheriff would be called to dispatch this moron. 

  • Yvona

    When will it stop?
    A few years ago it was a Japanese foreign exchange student who came to the wrong house on Halloween night and was shot.  In the US it is ‘shoot first, ask questions later” – and we claim to be “Pro Life”? Where are the Pro Lifers, why aren’t they up in arms? I know… it’s a teenager, not a fetus…

    • Anonymous

      I remember that story, it happened in Baton Rouge LA. I think the man who did the shooting was tired and acquitted but said he would never own a gun again.

    • Modavations

      Bull,the guy was acquited

  • Modavations

    Stopped 6 times!!!.40 years ago I had a ponytail and earring.i was stopped a lot more then 6 times in one month.It’s 70 in Boston.I’m gonna grab the NYT,catch some rays and gag at todays editorial page

    • TFRX

      Yes, Boston cops singling out hippies in the ’70s so proves that…what, again, when it comes to black citizens and Southern law enforcement?

      • Modavations

        Tourettes and mindless rambling.It was Texas.

        • TFRX

          Yes, because Texas cops are so much more lenient to hippies than Boston cops.

  • Ed Siefker

    It appears that the Sanford PD’s police work was deliberately poor in order to avoid charging a local neighborhood watch member with the death of a black out of towner.  If this is the case, they should be charged with being an accessory after the fact.  The behavior of the police in this case is even more troubling than that of the murderer, and should be punished harshly.

  • http://twitter.com/OliaYelner Olia Yelner

    This is clearly a tragedy and Zimmerman should be charged but- let’s not overlook the fact that young black men are injured and killed every day in huge numbers in their neighborhoods and no one cares. There are lost generations of young men who are shot, stabbed and murdered or are doing he shooting, stabbing and murdering. Let’s have a constructive discussion about them and the schools, governments and parents who are letting it happen. 

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    As a white male I cannot imagine what it must be like to be a young black man in America.  In my younger days I made a choice to not look like the “clean-cut-all-America-(white)-boy”, with long hair, leather jacket, earrings, as I was the “rocker” and  rode motorcycles.  I made a choice to look like that, and I’d often get followed by security in stores, bothered by police, and have people view me with suspicion if not just outright take pains to avoid me. But I l knowingly made that choice. A black man has no choice in his being black.

     Like the song in “South Pacific” says, “You have to be taught how to hate.”  The change has to start early in life.

    It also has to take root with black police officers standing up to racism when on patrol, and not trying to fit in with the culture that clearly exists within much of law enforcement; the culture that says a black male driving a car (especially a nice car), or walking on the sidewalk, or just going about his business, needs to be detained and questioned. 

    It’s the same culture that calls for inner city school kids to be patted down like terrorist suspects when exiting their bus, while the majority white and/or upscale school kids across town have no concept of what that’s like. 

    There’s go to be some group with the cajones to pull over a car  full of white kids and draw down on them if their hands aren’t on the steering wheel, or pat down a rich white kid like he’s suspected of being the next underwear bomber before he can enter his school.  There’s a reality show for you (copyright 2012, for those producers – I need a job).

    • Tina

      I, too, quote that song from South Pacific, “You’ve got to be taught to hate and to lie…it’s got to be drummed in your dear little head” (I think those are the rest of the words, to a point) — sadly, I quote it far more frequently than I’d like.  We need to keep quoting it, though, getting its message out there into the culture again.  Thanks!

      • TFRX

        From memory:

        You’ve got to be taught, before it’s too late.
        Before you are six or seven or eight.
        To hate all the people your relatives hate…

        You’ve got to be taught, to hate and fear.
        You’ve got to be taught, from year to year.
        It’s got to be drummed in your dear little ear…

        Big Oscar Hammerstein II fan here. (But you can keep most of “The Sound of Music”.)

        • Modavations

          Mon dieu

  • http://profiles.google.com/lynne.jackier Lynne Jackier

    The story in the NYTimes said that the young man was with his father who was visiting a friend in the community. He went to the store to get snacks. He was walking back to the house – probably looking around to find his way in an unfamiliar area when he ran into Zimmerman.

    • Modavations

      speculation,hearsay your honor!!!

      Sustained

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ROHFM25Z7LU6TA5RACLYQEO3EU Andrea

    At times like this I really regret that Dr. King isn’t here to provide his example and influence.

    • Sussanna88

      Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • Mia

    Did that caller just say “we’ve all said the N word?”  Uh, no- we have not all said the N word. I have never, ever, ever ever said the N word. And I never will.  

    • Vanessa – J.P.

      That’s exactly what I was thinking when he said that. No buddy. Some of us realize that that is never an okay thing to say. 

    • Rex

      Saying that you have never ever said anything bad is like accusing someone of being hypocritical. We’d all like to think we are not flawed and I’m not questioning your character, but there is a bit of truth in the caller’s comment. Many have never said anything like that but it doesn’t mean a negative thought has never crossed their mind before stopping themselves from speaking it.

      • Modavations

        Jimmy Carter.We all have lust in our hearts….Moda would call this the human condition.Or,he who is without sin……

    • Sussanna88

      No , we have not ‘all” said the “N” word but I have been called the “C” word–Cracker!

      • Modavations

        A real person.Bravo

    • Modavations

      I facetiously say Negroid,or of the black persuasion.But I’m not offended by Nigger,or Honky,or whatever.All people are a little racist.Clans and all that

  • BEEZ

    Thank you for the show Tom and to the guests as well.

    • Modavations

      Quit gushing and recommend a few CD’s,please,mr.beez

  • AC

    i worked with a nigerian guy back in college & i remember him telling me how frightened he was when continually was pulled over by the police. i remember how shocked i was when he told me – he was a mousy, quiet, timid kind of person studying accounting for pete’s sake. it never occurred to me people have these issues so it was my eye opener
    + i think it was overly traumatic for him because he came from a country where police/offical abuse of power was prevalent…

    • Modavations

      I’ve spent a few nights in Lagos at the Holiday Inn.I jammed a chair against the door.Remember the pictures of Katriina.That’s what every saturday night looks like in Lagos

  • Modavations

    As a citizen you are presumed innocent.You guys are too friggin much

    • Grittybits

      So what about Treyvon? Zimmerman was judge, jury, and executioner. 

      • Anonymous

        Interesting how that escaped this mans talking points. Whatever they may be. 

      • Modavations

        Just what are you privy to,or is this more Lefty clairvoyance

  • Normjones

    Justice Delayed is Justice Denied.

  • Tina

    Thank you for choosing the wonderful guests who discussed this subject so thoughtfully.  Thanks, too, for the callers whose tales of just what is true out there in America were crystal clear.  

    • Modavations

      Endless gushing……..ten years,good god woman have you no compassion.

  • Rex

    The only person covered under Florida’s Stand Your Ground law is the dead kid. He was the one that was hunted down by the security guard.

    • Modavations

      Your honor,crass speculation

      Sustained!!!!

  • Grittybits

    Zimmerman should have his gun taken away, at the least, and be arrested for this murder. This was a senseless tragedy, reflecting the core of racism in the country, as well as the fact that just about anyone can obtain a gun in this country. And in response to the caller who said we’ve all said the “n” word, I beg to differ. 

    • Modavations

      I live in Boston,actually have cause to carry a gun and there is no way.It takes an act of god and family connections

      • Anonymous

        Good thing too. You being armed, that’s a scary thought.

        • Modavations

          How’s the Rabies

  • BHA in Vermont

    I would think that at the VERY least:
    1) The 911 dispatcher should have used a forceful message. “DO NOT FOLLOW HIM” rather than “We would rather you didn’t do that”.
    2) SOMEONE should follow up on WHY the shooter DID NOT back off when told to do so by the dispatcher. I’ll bet my life that if he wasn’t carrying, he wouldn’t have followed. His handgun made him brave. And that leads back to the whole 2nd amendment, gun control thing.

    • Brian

      Agreed, but the last thing a dispatcher wants to do is create confrontation with the caller on the phone.

    • Modavations

      2nd ammendment is to protect the peeps against a Putsch

    • Modavations

      And when you tell someone to halt,raise your hands and they go for their pocket(this is a hypothetical).You bet your life after the fact.Dialllo(?),in the Bronx was the same story.The cops told him hands up,he went for his back pocket,..All he had was a comb.The cops didn’t know that and were acquited

      • Anonymous

        Since when do private citizens have the right to tell other private citizens to halt and raise their hands on a public street and to do so with a firearm?

        • Modavations

          When you’re in a private gated community

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for covering the story with a long discussion and many contributors. 

    I missed some of it. Did you talk about the Florida ‘Stand Your Ground Law’ and how it makes it more difficult for law enforcement to have probable cause to charge a shooter?  In FL, the gunman must only feel threatened and is not obliged to withdrawal. This law facilitates gross injustice like this case.

    It also permits shooters to keep their guns after incidents like this one.  Even the police will put an officer on desk duty during investigation and take their gun. But this shooter was sent on his way, gun in hand. He told them he felt threatened and acted in self-defense, (the 911 tapes not withstanding)

    DOJ has an opportunity to prosecute the shooter using Federal hate-crime statute “in the interest of justice.”

  • Sussanna88

    who knows– only the shooter and the kid, and the kid is dead.

    • Modavations

      And you know for a fact that there are no witnesses Att.88

  • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

    Also, it’s interesting that George Zimmerman did not have any kind of drug test despite the fact that he shot someone.  Nuts.

    • Modavations

      Att.Mann,is this fact,or rumor.Are you privy attorney Mann

      • Armidalm

        That is funny, I thought you were going to say – “No need for it, he is not Black”.

  • Still Here

    I missed the show.  What new facts came to light?  Sounds like we’re convinced Zimmerman is guilty and should rot so we must have learned a lot. 

    • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

      If you actually read what people have been saying, most of us would like to see Zimmerman indicted.

      • Still Here

        Most, maybe, others worse; generally there’s a lot of talk about his motives.  What did we learn specifically about why he did this?

        • Anonymous

          That if a neighborhood watch is going to have armed citizens they need training.
          Zimmerman did everything wrong and shot and killed a teen. He could have waited for the police, he did not.

          • Still Here

            And voters need an ID … if you’re going to restrict peoples’ rights, let’s be evenhanded.

            How do you know he didn’t have any training?  I’ve heard he was a member of the Baton Rouge police department. 

            How do you know he did everything wrong?  How do you know it was the shot that killed him and not the fall?  How do you know that Zimmerman was the only one who shot him?

            How do you know he could have waited for police?  Isn’t he claiming self-defense?  Sounds like it was urgent.  Maybe the guy was coming at him in an offensive manner, threatening to do harm.

          • Anonymous

            This is what allegedly happened. First off Ziimerman should have stopped following the kid when he was asked. First mistake. Him claiming self defense could also be a false statement. How do you know it is not. We do know that Zimmerman was following this kid and confronted him and then shot him.  Zimmerman was the only one there.

            So you’re all for idiots like this man Zimmerman, a man with a record of assault, being allowed to own a gun and use it in a case such as this? You would be OK with this?

            What does this have to do with voters ID’s?

          • Still Here

            Should have?  He wasn’t ordered to, so no mistake. 

            Everything you’ve said could be a false statement.  We don’t know all the facts. 

            Idiot … wow, not that you’re prejudging him based on the few facts you have.  The law stipulates who can carry legally. 

          • Anonymous

            You know what’s amazing here is people like you try to act like your all for fairness when in fact you’re nothing but belligerent and this last comment clearly  is evidence of that.

            You don’t the facts if this is how you’re going to roll.

            One fact that remains clear, Trayvon Martin is dead. He died from a gun owned and used by one Mr. Zimmerman.  

            In most states this would be handled by a grand jury and a DA’s office. Apparently in Florida not so.

          • Still Here

            You’re the one who called him an idiot.  You have to live with what that says about you.

            If asking for fact-based judgments is belligerent then I guess we’re all glad you’re not part of the judicial system. 

            How do you know Zimmerman owned the gun? 

        • Anonymous

          He ain’t talking, which is is right and definitely the best course to follow after being involved in something like this. 

          But as any law and order conservative would ask. “what’s he got to hide?”

          • Modavations

            Let’s torture him till he confesses

          • Anonymous

            I realize that’s the “law and order conservative” solution.  I disagree.

          • Modavations

            I’m making fun of you.I guess this is what we can expect after the Left pulls the Putsch.Imprisonment,orworse without trial.Just innuendo and rumior are grounds for conviction in Liberal Land.Orwell wrote all about it

    • Modavations

      Here’s what we learned from today’s illumined Democrat.Hang Em!!!

    • TFRX

      “We” who?

      Your polite tone doesn’t cover your concern trolling the way you think it does.

      • Still Here

        Got it, you learned nothing.  Thanks.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

          Exactly. Unless you tow the PC party line you are denounced as a racist or troll. What crap!

          • Modavations

            Now,now,you are right today(swerved into to it).but are one of the worst offenders usually.My opinion

        • Modavations

          Pay him no mind.He hasn’t laughed since 1975 and has tourettes

          • TFRX

            You’ve learned a new word? Congratulations.

            And keep making an ass out of you and you.

          • Modavations

            Excuse me a plagarism,but the author gave me permission……Burp

  • Chris

    Where to start? Your guests this morning made this more of a race issue by making comments that suggest that “America” is racist. Yes, a lot of people are racist, a lot of people of different ethnic backgrounds are racist. In other countries, people are racist as well, as seen in Africa with tribal/ethnic conflicts. By making this a race issue, we are only perpetuating the problem and drawing a line in the sand between black and white. What we should be doing is going after Zimmerman because he broke the law. I admit that race is an issue and may have played a role in Zimmerman’s decision to pursue Trayvon. However, that does not mean that it is policy to target black men, just as it does not mean that is the policy of all black teens to target white ones for bullying in school. Bottom line is we need to stop making a race issue out of everything. If our youth become unaware of race because we don’t even make it an issue, then eventually this problem will fade away with all the racist old people who grew up before and during the civil rights movement. 

    • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

      I’d like to believe race relations are better, and while this is generally true, it’s taking the racists longer to fade away than I’d hoped.

      I’ve heard about police stops for “walking around while being black” from friends.  I had a black friend tell me that he’s been told not to use the rest room in a convenience store.  This is 2012 – what is wrong with this picture?

      • Robert Riversong

        “it’s taking the racists longer to fade away than I’d hoped.”

        And this is precisely why. There’s not an American of any color who does not either harbor racial stereotypes or benefit from a national history built on field slavery and wage slavery, and a political economy that marginalizes people of color (as well as poor whites).

        When “nice” people like you can say “It’s taking me longer than I had hoped to eliminate my own inbred racism” then there is some hope of a better tomorrow.

        • notafeminista

          Please.  In the interest of intellectual honesty can we change that 2nd sentence to read “There’s not a human who does not either harbor racial steroetypes or benefit from a national history build on field slavery and wage slavery, and a political economy that marginalizes people of color (as well as poor whites.”

          Unless you think it is only US history that matters………….?

    • Brian

      That’s a fine hope, to dream of a day when we are not judged by our {race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, etc}, but unfortunately we are not there yet.

      As with yesterday’s show about Tyler Clementi, this is all about motives. If it can be proved beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman would not have pursued the teenager had he been white, then he can be tried for hate crimes in addition to murder.

    • Robert Riversong

      “Retreat residents described Zimmerman as a dedicated watch program volunteer who had successfully thwarted several crimes in the past, but was also known to profile young black men and make frequent calls to 911 to report incidents and suspicions.”

      Let’s just pretend that this wasn’t a case of blatant racism and we can all sleep better tonight.

  • Modavations

    Presumption of innocence!!!!!

    • Eciroli

      I agree. Trayvon should have been presumed innocent.

      • Modavations

        And when Dems.used to lynch blacks(MR.Byrd,Mr.Gore)without trial.Just innuendo,just rumor.Please tell me your thoughts….

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        Why are you on a FIRST NAME BASIS with Trayvon? Were you friends????

    • Anonymous

      “Presumption of innocence!!!!!”

      is a legal concept applicable to criminal prosecutions in the court system, not to discussions of current events.

      • Modavations

        And your thoughts on presumption of innocence are what?

    • Robert Riversong

      “These asholes always get away,” Zimmerman says in a call to police dispatch. During the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain’s 911 call, at 2:21, it sounds as though Zimmerman is whispering “fuckin’ coons”.

      Sounds pretty innocent to me.

  • Jose

    This is a very sad story, but lost in all the hand-wringing is the fact that a young black teenage male in is country is FAR more likely to be attacked and shot by a fellow black male teenager than by law enforcement members of any race, or ANY white person, whether involved in law enforcement or not. The fact that this story is getting so much attention, quite frankly, is because of it’s relative rarity. Race-baiting poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton live for this kind of event-why are they so silent about the staggering levels of black on black violence and homicide?

    • http://www.facebook.com/d0job.Knows Dan Joy

      I wouldnt say they are silent,  and I hate this “race-baiting” term everyone is using now.  Talk about the message getting lost.  Come on now.

      • Modavations

        I’m with Jose

      • Sonjajames42

        Race have everything to do with this case if that crazy racist lunatick would had just ask  his name where he was going, instead he acted as if he was the law, now if we tend to visit the law of racial profiling, maybe your common sense will ring a bell, the fact of the matter is the lack of compassion you have for this young man being killed ,tell me what is your position.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

          Ahhh, the response of the crazed PC leftist I just mentioned.

        • Modavations

          Half the cops in Miami are black and Latino.Same in NYC

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        Sorry pal…the crazed PC leftists will denounce you. But I surely agree with your comment.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      You are exactly correct, however the disease of PC prevents a truthful discussion of this issue. I live in a medium sized city and virtually EVERY night there is violence of some type almost always committed by YOUNG BLACK MALES. Who is forcing these people to commit violence? White racism is simply a convenient excuse for thug behavior.

      • Modavations

        That’s twice we’ve agreed.Give these kids Daddies and School Vouchers and end Welfare slowly

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

          First they would have to know who “daddy” is….

      • Robert Riversong

        Absolutely! Just like who is forcing the Afghani’s to engage in violence against their own kind who are in cahoots with the occupiers. You can’t blame the environment. They’re all just primitive bastards who have no morals.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CRTBVXTQSOPGLVECV6HA3NYJZA MoniqueDC

      Jose:  perhaps that is true, but it is irrelevant.   Listen to the first hand discussions with the people directly involved at DemocracyNow.org.
      And, by the way, while you are seeking to excuse inter-race violence on the basis of intra-race violence, look at the stop and frisk policy being used in NYC.    80% of the stops are of people (mostly men) of color.     Several documentaries are out about this.    It just might change your perspective.

      • Modavations

        and the crime rate has plunged.I personally know a kid who spent a weekend in jail.He had outstanding warrants

        • Robert Riversong

          Sure, when the cops are the primary criminals, nothing gets reported.

    • Sonjajames42

      Perhaps your denial that racism still lives in country , has reveal your stupidy  and ignorance, now for say if that was you brother, or son being killed by that insane man, what will your reponse be

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tim-Brown/1227104716 Tim Brown

      It might have something to do with the fact that the police did not arrest this man or even deign to investigate what appears to have been a murder?

    • Shedrick_Sanders

      I agree. Any Black person in the U. S. has one more thing to worry about than most White people. Any thing that happens to a Black person brings up the question, “Is it because I am Black?”

    • TFRX

      Yeah? So? Who gives a crap?

      Please stop your concern trolling. Don’t bother trying to conflate and compare “two people in armed conflict” with the shooting by one semi-appointed “block watchman”.

      When white people dressed wrong start getting shot by black neighborhood watches, while not posing a threat…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Trayvon did not know Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch volunteer, He panicked when Zimmerman approached him and defended himself. Zimmerman shot the kid knowing he was being attacked but actually the kid was just defending himself from Zimmerman.

    • http://www.facebook.com/d0job.Knows Dan Joy

      Really, I didnt even think about that.  To Trayvon, Zimmerman was running after him to mug him.  Where Trayvon was from, thats a reality, so of course he is going to have his guard up.  Also, Zimmerman wasn’t a suited police officer, so of course, that would sketch me out too.  And then my unidentified pursuer pulls out a gun?  I would fight for my life!  Thanks for that.  

      • Modavations

        hearsay

        • Anonymous

          Everything you post is hearsay.

    • Modavations

      Hearsay

    • Robert Riversong

      Zimmerman was NOT a neighborhood watch volunteer according to the National Association of Neighborhood Watches. He was a self-appointed vigilante with a criminal record for resisting arrest and battery on a law enforcement officer.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        If that’s the case how come police didn’t arrest him. All news said he’s a volunteer neighborhood watchman even the police said he was.

  • Robert Riversong

    My first (and only) trip to Florida was for Spring Break 1970 (a year after I graduated from HS). I hitched down to the Everglades and was picked up by an Ontario Provincial Policeman on holiday (which was a lucky thing since we got into the national parks for free as “guests”). We spent three days together, making our way to the Keys.

    At Florida City (a town of just a couple square miles), we stopped for gas and met a local city cop who was dressed like a state trooper with tall black boots and broad-brimmed hat. The Ontario cop asked why it was necessary to carry a 357 magnum when he was issued only a 22 handgun to patrol 200 square miles in Canada.

    The grinning Florida cop said “that ain’t nothin” and opened up his trunk to show us a sawed-off shotgun and an assault rifle. When the Ontario cop asked why he could possibly need such armaments, the Florida cracker said “to keep them niggers in line”.

    Obviously, little has changed in Florida in the last 42 years.

    • Modavations

      How’s the blood on your hands.5 million Africans dead so this guy could save the birdies

      • Robert Riversong

        We all have blood on our hands. Some of us have blood on the brain.

        • Modavations

          Hope your birdies are happy.The Left loves Humanity,it’s humans they hate

    • notafeminista

      Oh wait…I know this part.  …. “anec is not a sufficient prefix for data”.

  • Modavations

    To the Rev Als……Slowly end welfare,grant school vouchers,reintroduce daddies….Furthermore marry,graduate highschool,have your kids at 21

    • Robert Riversong

      Yes sir. Be just like us good Christian family-centered, wife-beating, homophobic racists and all will be well with the world.

      • Modavations

        Listen dude I don’t like you.Bug someone else.I will never reply to a hater.Over and Out

  • aj

    Dia-l-l-o.  was unarmed, when shot.  All 4 pigs emptied their Glocks for good measure…Or? maybe it was all of that training they got. 41 bullets, 1 unarmed brotha, JUDGE ORDERED CHANGE OF VENUE!! 
     
    Instead of going upstate after the verdict for murder, they went upstate (Albany?) for 4 aquittals and a cupcake. 
     
    Best believe, if the Grand Jury indicts officer Haste for breaking and entering, Ramarley Graham’s residence, and killing him in front of his grandmother and 6 yr old brother point blank; the case will get moved to an area code with less puerto rican and black jurors.

    No Justice. No Peace.
     
     

    • BKres11228

      Facts. NYPD go to hell we are all Sean Bell!

      Same thing happened in Oakland where Oscar Grant was publicly executed; police shot in the back while he lying face down on the ground handcuffed and not resisting arrest. They waited weeks to arrest the officer and only tried him under intense protest. They tried him miles away and he was given only a manslaughter sentence.

      We now know the identity of the OPD Lt. who threw the flash bang grenade at people trying to save Scott Olsen who was dying on the ground from a skull fracture from a police tear gas canister but OPD refuses to take his badge number as evidence of his identity and will most likely never try him even though he has shot and killed 3 minorities under the age of 18 in the past AND was involved in a $700,000 wrongful death suit for the city.

      • aj

        Much love and solidarity for Oakland in NY.  We sparked it, but Occupy Oakland shut it down last fall.  Respect due. Good lookinout on the update B.

    • Modavations

      You never told us who’s the forums # 1 racsit you or Hidan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I lived in Chelsea, Massachusetts. The Chelsea Police has a good training when to stop and arrest a kid on the streets.
    One good example I witnessed it myself when a Chelsea police stop a a kid with brown paper bag with a bottle sticking out(it was gin bottle). Chelsea Police asked the kid to get rid of the gin and when the hispanic kid was finished. the Chelsea police gave a warning not to drink on public area and he drove away. No harm done and life for that kid continues.
     
    Chelsea Police are expert in minority issues especially with domestic violence which is rampant in Chelsea but shooting unarmed kid never happens in Chelsea.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Dorchester is a different story. Guns really rules that neighborhood even unarmed drug dealer and his family can be victims.

  • Modavations

    Wanna see the love,crank up the economy.You’ll  see racial harmony when we have  an unemployment rate of 5%

    • Robert Riversong

      You betcha. Give the niggers menial jobs and they’ll shut up and say “thankya masser, can I shine ya shoes?”.

      • notafeminista

        So funny.  First grump that there are no jobs.  Then when that clearly isn’t the case, grump that the jobs aren’t good enough.  Then, make sure people get jobs based on their sex or their race and so on.  
        Funny stuff.

      • Modavations

        Go bug someone else.Birdman

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    The Blue Code of Silence exist.

  • Brwstac

    I hope this family gets justice for their son’s murder. What in the hell are the Florida cops thinking? Zimmerman should have been arrested. This was out-an-out murder. And Trayvon’s family is right, if Trayvon had been white Zimmerman would have been arrested. 

    S. Brown, San Jose, CA

  • Anonymous

    What I find really amazing here after reading some of the comments is how the right wingers are so quick to make this Zimmerman guy out to be the victim. The guy shot and killed a 17 year old teen. You people make me sick.

    • Modavations

      Bull,bull,bull.I don’t care about his guilt.I’m offended that you won’t award him his day in court.You guys are friggin reactionaries.You are the guys who’d lynch black men on rumor.

      • Shedrick_Sanders

        I am confused. What and who are you talking about? A person can be judge, jury and executioner can follow someone shoot them and claim self defense. If he didn’t have a gun would he have waited for the police?

        • Modavations

          .We have a court that will adjudicate.It will be a jury of peers.

      • Anonymous

        No, enough. A 17 year old kid was shot by an idiot.
        I’m not asking for him to be hung, I’m asking for an investigation, which should happen when ever there is a fatal shooting. You really are full of it.

        • Still Here

          What evidence do you have that he is an idiot?

          • Anonymous

            I would say shooting someone like he did was kind of stupid. And it seems this guy had a history of calling 911 to report everything he saw, even open garages. Talk about overzealous. So, you don’t think shooting a teenager is dumb?

    • Still Here

      Your comments show you had a headstart on the whole sickness thing. 

      Some people are making judgments they can’t support with facts.  Others are manipulating this story to serve their biased world view.  We all see where you fall.

      • Anonymous

        The fact remains: 1: Zimmerman shot Trayvon on a misguided suspicion. 2: The local police did not take his gun, nor did they do a thorough investigation. I fail to see how not in the interest of justice that any shooting by anyone should warrant a thorough investigation.  Bottom line Zimmerman shot this kid, period. Why, well that needs to be found out. Taking him on his word is absurd.

        • Still Here

          Please, misguided suspicion, how do you know what Martin was up to?
          You’re not for a thorough investigation, you’ve already made up your mind.
          Unless he incriminates himself or a credible witness comes forward, his word is all we’ve got.  Sounds like you want him to fry either way.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for putting words and thoughts into my posts that are not there. I only said he shot the teen, which is the fact. The  Martin was walking and who knows what he was doing, maybe he was lost. The bottom line is Martin was unarmed.
            This idiot, who was not in law enforcement shot him for no apparent reason other than he felt threatened. If that’s so why not wait for the police? I’m all for a the Grand Jury and the DA doing an investigation and getting to the bottom of this. You’re not interested in the truth, you support this kind of behavior? Citizens shooting other people out no other reason than some kind of conjecture? That’s sick.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    We argue about Trayvon and Zimmerman but we never think about the people that Americans really hated so much.
     
    The Blacks, Hispanics or Whites are arguing about racial profiling in America but we forget about the people we really think that is the cause of terror around the world.
     
    The Muslim people.

    • Modavations

      The radical Muslim people worry me.!% of a billion peeps can cause a lot of trouble.Pick a world hotspot and I’ll show you the radical Muslim.From Chechnya(?)to Bali.From Philipines to Kenya.From the Parisian Suburb to Kashmir.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabidah_massacre

        The people Muslims or the Moro warriors has a different reason compared to other muslims around the world.

        • Modavations

          I’m dependent on you for Philipine History.I’ve been to Sebu City twice

  • Zebop_man

    As I see it the Florida law should be applied to protect Martin . Zimmerman confronted this kid, the kid had no interaction with Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. The result …. a 17 year old kid is dead. Zimmerman claims self defense after initiating the event and the police/DA do nothing? The police/DA should be prosecuted.  

    • Shedrick_Sanders

      you mean the Florida law should not be applied to protect Martin Zimmerman

      • Zebop_man

        The Florida law basically states if confronted a person does not have to back down, (you can stand your ground). Zimmerman, (the gunman) confronted) Trayvon Martin. As a result of Zimmerman’s confrontation defensive actions by Trayvon Martin to “stand his ground” would be justified. Zimmerman had no right or reason to approach this kid. Zimmerman disregard for the legal rights of Trayvon Martin is what led Zimmerman to killed this kid. Zimmerman should be prosecuted for this crime.

      • Mcmircle

        The Florida law says you don’t have to retreat if you’re attacked. It doesn’t say you can start the violence.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Profiling history in America 101:

    The Birth of A Nation movie the beginning of the racial intention between whites and colored people

    Profiling History in America 102:
    American women were not allowed to vote but until to this day women CEOs are less paid compared to white male CEOs.

    Profiling history in America 103:

    The majority of Japanese/Americans were put into encampment while Germans and Italians roamed free during World War 2 in America.

    Profiling History in America 104:

    The Civil Rights movement 1955 thru 1969.

    • Modavations

      500,000 Americans died when Pres.Lincoln freed the slaves from the Democrat Slavers

      • Zebop_man

        The civil rights movement continues…things have not changed.

        • Modavations

          Yup,the same Dems.have the poor back in the ghetto and dependent.You want a check,then vote Democrat

  • Modavations

    Just finished sunbathing while reading the NYT(gagging).They have a contest asking why eating meat is ethical?You’r honor,they’re leading the witness.

    Sustained

    This is the same type of thinking that would condemn a man on pure hearsay.Dems. Robert Byrd,Herr Gore,etc,. would regularly lynch blacks on pure speculation and innuendo

    • Buddhaclown

      So if you murder someone in cold blood with multiple witnesses and the whole thing recorded on tape and you admit to the killing . . . it is hearsay? 

      You’ll excuse me if I don’t want to live in your reality because your reality is disgusting to me. No one is forcing you to read the NYT. 

      • notafeminista

        Seems odd that a cold blooded killer would take the time to call 911 first.

        • Modavations

          HEARSAY

        • Not another 1 plz

          It’s called (CYA) cover your ass

          • notafeminista

            Again, I’m guessing cold blooded killers feel they don’t have that to worry about.

      • Modavations

        First you hold a trial,then you present evidence.Then there’s rebuttalThen you convict or acquit.Is this now an alien concept?.I hate posers.Real Buddhists extoll peace

    • Anonymous

      Your legal thinking and skills remind me of my cousin, Vinnie Gambini, but without Mona Lisa Vito, your client ain’t gotta chance.

  • Buddhaclown

    The entire Sanford police department should be put in jail. They are the real criminals here. 

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Yes indeed. Hang them all…find the witches too and burn them at the stake!  Such nonsense.

      • Buddhaclown

        Isn’t that exactly what racists like yourself want? Only in this case witches = black people.  

        • Modavations

          Do you know this man???You’re very violent for a Buddhist.Of course,you’re a fake Buddhist

          • Not another 1

            Dude you’ve got to stop trying to piss people off and make som sort of valid point because your not.

      • Modavations

        Dude,I used to make fun of you,because you did indeed run around saying “hang him”.

    • Modavations

      What do you think the real Buddah would say about your violence and extreme hate speech.I’ll bet half the police force is non-caucasion.

      • Hidan

         what’s the wager ?

  • Joan Herczeg

    This will continue as long as gun ownership is a right with no restrictions.  Violence will target blacks, then Hispanics, Muslims and Jews.  The hatred and vitriol of our politicians condones this violence.  Does anyone truly believe this is what the writers of our Constitution had in mind??? They couldn’t even imagine hand guns or violence such as we have on our streets.  This is a tragedy for a family, a community and our country.

    • Gregg

      The answer is for law abiding blacks, Hispanics and Muslims to arm themselves.

      • TFRX

        Coming from anyone else that statement might have a point.

        But if there’s anything Fox News can report on without hyperbole it’s black people brandishing firearms. Or Muslims, or Latinos.

        • Modavations

          Translation…….This is not a valid statement.Gregg is a righty.I read the NYT and listen to Comrad Chris every day,without fear.You’re a reactionary

        • Modavations

          If you were head of the Politboro,would you ban Fox?

      • Modavations

        Cross the Key Bridge into Alexandria where you can have a gun and the crime rate plummets

    • Zebop_man

      The real problem is not the gun. It is the “owner of the gun” When Zimmerman approached Trayvon Martin he knew he had the upper hand. Zimmerman is culpable for his actions.

    • Modavations

      They wanted an armed citizentry to guard against a Putsch./

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Off Topic: The true history of the Moro uprising in the Philippines it is not about Bin Laden or Afghanistan it is about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabidah_massacre

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Racial Profiling Marcos Administation style.

  • James K.

    Has anyone considered the possibility that this was not racially motivated? I can’t help but think that had Trayvon been Hispanic, or more likely, a purple-mohawked, tattoo-coverd, heavily pierced goth or punk white teenager, with an attitude, the same thing could have (would have) happened. Zimmerman was just a gun toting, wannabe hero, itching to shoot somebody so his neighbors would revere him. Whatever the motivation, he should be behind bars for the rest of his life. 

    • Jacob

      It’s not about “race” specifically being an explicit motive for a white man to kill a black man. Modern racism is implicit, meaning that we don’t even realize it when we’re doing it. This type of racism is just as dangerous (if not more dangerous) than the lynching mentality in the south a hundred years ago. The biggest issue that I have is that on top of the fact that a person who claims to be a peace officer just blatantly murdered a 17 year old boy, their local justice system didn’t even charge the guy. My psychology and law professor made a very valid point in class today…she said that self defense is a PLEA which means once he is charged with homicide, the man can try to plea not guilty by reason of self defense…it does not mean that the district attorney should not file charges to at least find out if it was really a murder or self defense. It makes me sick.

    • Not another 1 PLZ

      James K. then you say that zimmerman was praying on the first person that walked that area and no other person ever walked through there before interesting, NOT PLUSABLE! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YEN6BGLRTQVEPDY6NH7T4HIACM Anonymous

     All the hand wringing is kind of ridiculous.  Go to the FBI’s crime statistics website.  For 2007 you will find that blacks are 8.6 times as likely to commit murder as the rest of the population, 4.2 times as likely to commit forcible rape, and 9.2 times as likely to commit burglary.   (for those that are going to parse the numbers, “rest of the population” means I took there crime rate per capita and compared to the overall crime rate without the black crimes and without the black population.)

    This is the root cause of racism, and it would be inappropriate to not approach a black with the same level of caution as you would approach a white.  Until these numbers start to merge, racism is justly with us.  It is awfully tough to be black and judged on the behavior of the black population.

    The stats are what need to be brought out to work the problem.  Not a lot of platitudes and one off cases that make bad public policy.

    • TFRX

      How many of those black-on-black crimes are committed by people in some quasi-organized, quasi-governmental, we-got-the-cops-on-our-side, 911-calling civilian-ish types with Zimmerman’s record?

    • Zebop_man

      Your response is a simple justification for being a racist. Skin color nor any other ethnic trait is a precursor for anyone to assume a person is “suspicious”. It seems Jim Crow is a live and well.

    • Jacob

      Have you ever taken a college statistics class? Statistics are basically numerical lies. You cannot use past statistical trends for certain demographics to predict the behavior of an individual. Therefore, statistics are not valid to justify racism. And they certainly are not at all valid to justify blaming the victim. This was a 17 year old boy.

      • Modavations

        Translation……Statistics are valid only when making the put of a Leftist.Ask Jesse Jackson about walking the streets and young blacks.

        • Hidan

           put? no calls?

          Ask Jesse Jackson about walking the streets and young blacks.?

          Why what did you do to them?

    • Anonymous

      Every nuclear bomb attack on populated areas has been done by the USA.  So how can anyone be surprised that people hate that country for its statistically clear violent tendencies.  Or do you have some platitudes that would say otherwise?

      • Modavations

        I travel the world and have been subjected to animous one time,30 years ago in Mexico.What’s the difference between Japan and the fire bombing of Dresden?

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        Can you say Japanese atrocities? What crap.

        • Anonymous

          My comment was in reply to that of  yahoo . .etc, and meant to illustrate that his use of statistics was so utterly stupid that using his logic would make my  comment true.  My sarcasm obviously it went over your head.

  • Stan G.

    There is no question that young black men are more at risk in these situations than anyone else, but it is not limited to them. My experience didn’t get to this extreme. But I am an old white guy living in distant suburbs of Chicago and several years ago (I was 70 at the time) I was walking in one of the forest preserves out here in the middle of the day. It was a beautiful sunny day and I had on a baseball cap to shade my eyes, but I was getting sweaty so I took it off, sort of rolled it up in my hand and carried it. At one point you have to cross a country road to get from one section to the other. I had crossed and was about 50 yards down the trail when I heard shouting in back of me. I didn’t think it had anything to do with me so I kept walking. After a couple of more shouts I decided to turn around. There was a lady cop who had stopped her police car and was starting down the trail after me with her holster unsnapped and her hand on the grip. She shouted again and it was clear she was shouting at me but I couldn’t quite make it out so I walked toward her and she shouted again and this time I heard it – “What do you have in your hand?” Confused I raise up my hand and let the cap unroll. She then said “Oh, it looked like a gun.” I was a bit angry because I was timing myself and now my timing was shot, but after a couple of more minutes walking I realized she was ready to pop off a round or two at me. So, no young black man, no residential areas anywhere close, and no testosterone-crazed self-appointed bounty hunter.

  • Mcmircle

    We white folks need to get over the idea that any black male we don’t know doesn’t belong in our neighborhood.
    As a white woman, I can say that we are conditioned to be wary of unknown black men. Getting past that takes conscious thought, watching our own reactions and asking “where does that come from? Is it justified?”
    I’m also the mom of a 14-year old young man who is black. That teenager, wearing a hoodie and carrying candy and a cell phone, could be my child.

    What’s wrong with the police in that town that they treat as credible someone who has made 40 calls about suspicious strangers in a gated community (did I hear right that it was this year?). How credible is a chronic caller’s decription of “staring” or “casing the area” when he can’t ttell whether the “suspicious person” is wearing jeans or sweat pants?

    And the outrage isn’t “reverse lynching”. Folks are asking for an arrest and charges.

  • Robert Riversong

    There’s a lot of second-guessing and distortion of what we know to be facts. Here’s the latest:

    “These asholes
    always get away,” Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency number.

     

    Dispatcher:
    “Are you following him?”

     

    Zimmerman:
    “Yeah.”

     

    Dispatcher: “We
    don’t need you to do that.”

     

    An altercation soon
    ensued. A few moments later a torrent of 911 calls flooded in and Martin was
    killed by a single bullet. Zimmerman claimed self-defense and has yet to be
    arrested, stoking outrage and claims of prejudice against the police
    department.

     

    A few hours after
    press secretary Jay Carney told reporters the White House is “not going to wade
    into a local law-enforcement matter,” the Civil Rights Division of the
    Department of Justice and the FBI both announced that they will yield to
    requests to investigate the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

     

    “The department will
    conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take
    appropriate action at the conclusion of the investigation,” said the DOJ in a
    statement.

     

    Despite moving
    forward with the investigation, the Justice Department sought in the same
    statement to temper expectations: “With all federal civil rights crimes, the
    government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acted
    intentionally and with the specific intent to do something which the law
    forbids – the highest level of intent in criminal law.”

     

    Now, after more than
    a half million signatures on a ColorOfChange
    petition demanding an investigation, and the involvement of the DOJ and FBI,
    Florida’s state attorney, Norm Wolfinger, announced this morning (3/20) that a
    grand jury will be called to investigate the case. The grand jury will convene
    on April 10th.

     

    One of the major
    impediments to an open-and-shut manslaughter case against Martin’s killer,
    George Zimmerman, is Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which permits residents
    to “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably
    believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm.”

     

    Zimmerman told
    police that Martin attacked him from behind as he was walking back towards his
    truck, and it was fear for his life that prompted him to fire his Kel Tec 9mm
    handgun.

     

    Also this morning,
    ABC News revealed that Martin was on the phone with a female friend moments
    before he was shot by Zimmerman. The 16-year-old girl spoke with Martin family
    attorney Benjamin Crump, and recalled their final conversation.

     

    “He said this man
    was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man,” the
    unidentified girl is quoted as saying. “I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he
    was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”

     

    The last thing she
    remembers is Martin trying to escape by running, but being cornered by
    Zimmerman who asked him what he was doing there. “Next thing I hear is somebody
    pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell,” she said.
    “I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.”

     

    During the
    self-appointed neighborhood watch captain’s 911 call, at 2:21, it sounds as
    though Zimmerman is whispering “fuckin’ coons”. After listening to Zimmerman’s
    exchange with the emergency dispatcher, New York Times columnist Nick Kristof
    said he found “shades of 1950′s Mississippi” in the tape.

     

    After much pressure
    from the family of Trayvon, the police finally released the 911 tapes. In the
    first tape, Zimmerman can be heard telling a dispatcher that he was pursuing “a
    real suspicious guy” who looked like he was “up to no good.” It was later
    determined that Martin, an African-American teenager from Miami Gardens, was
    walking back to his father and stepmother’s house after picking up a bag of
    Skittles and a can of iced tea at a convenience store.

     

    Zimmerman is clearly
    heard being told by the dispatcher not to continue his pursuit of Martin. After
    complaining that “these assholes always get away,” Zimmerman chose to press on.

     

    Zimmerman violated
    major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual. The manual from the
    Neighborhood Watch program states: “It should be emphasized to members
    that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or
    pursue vehicles.”

     

    According to Chris
    Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about
    22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a
    registered group, which police were not aware of at the time of the incident.

     

    About a minute after
    being told to stay put, Zimmerman left his car wearing a red sweatshirt and
    pursued Martin on foot between two rows of townhouses, about 70 yards from
    where the teen was going.

     

    The first of seven
    subsequent 911 calls contains audio believed to be of the altercation which
    ensued between Zimmerman and Martin. A person, alleged to be Martin, can be
    heard screaming for help before a single shot is fired.

     

    Witnesses told ABC
    News a fist fight broke out and at one point Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin
    by more than 100 pounds, was on the ground and that Martin was on top.

     

    Austin Brown, 13,
    was walking his dog during the time of the altercation and saw both men on the
    ground but separated. Brown along with several other residents heard someone
    cry for help, just before hearing a gunshot. Police arrived 60 seconds later
    and the teen was quickly pronounced dead.

     

    According to the
    police report, Zimmerman, who was armed with a handgun, was found bleeding from
    the nose and the back of the head, standing over Martin, who was unresponsive
    after being shot.

     

    An officer at the
    scene overheard Zimmerman saying, “I was yelling for someone to help me
    but no one would help me”, the report said.

     

    Witnesses told ABC
    News they heard Zimmerman pronounce aloud to the breathless residents watching
    the violence unfold “it was self-defense”, and place the gun on the
    ground.

     

    Sanford Police Chief
    Billy Lee publicly admitted that officers accepted Zimmerman’s word at the
    scene that he had no police record. Two days later during a meeting with
    Trayvon’s father Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmerman’s
    record was “squeaky clean”. Yet public records showed that Zimmerman
    was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a
    charge which was later expunged.

     

    Trayvon Martin had
    no arrest record or disciplinary action for violence as a student in North
    Miami’s Krop High School. Trayvon Martin’s parents described him as the kind of
    son who, even at 17, allowed his parents to kiss him publicly.

     

    Retreat residents
    described Zimmerman as a dedicated watch program volunteer who had successfully
    thwarted several crimes in the past, but was also known to profile young black
    men and make frequent calls to 911 to report incidents and suspicions.

     

    Since the
    investigation began, allegations of police misconduct have emerged, including
    the “twisting” of eyewitness accounts to fit Zimmerman’s story, and the lack of
    testing for state-of-mind-altering substances.

     

    After the shooting,
    a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective
    and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective peppered
    Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell
    his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.

     

    Another officer
    corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help. The officer told the
    witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the
    witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer
    corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.

     

    According to The
    Miami Herald, Zimmerman has gone into hiding, disconnecting all his phone
    numbers and moving out of his last known address. 

  • Jacob

    The thing that really gets me is that Trayvon only allegedly “looked” suspicious to the guy who murdered him. But if you were in Trayvon’s shoes, the guy who shot him also must have looked very suspicious too…think about it; being followed around by some guy who’s blatantly talking about you on the phone and chasing you…does that hypothetically give Trayvon the right to shoot the man in self defense? I mean, the guy murdered him, and had he killed the guy first it would have saved his own life.

  • Edmundabraly

    In the 911 tape, Zimmerman says “hes running”.  How can that be self defense.  

    • Still Here

      He was running at him.

      • Modavations

        HEARSAY.

        • Hidan

          ad nauseum

  • Edmund Braly

    Previous crimes in that neighborhood are not signifcant Because we now know that this kid was completely inocent

  • AJ

    Obama’s Justice Dept. sold thousands of AK-47 assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels (Operation Fast and Furious), which resulted in at least three U.S. Border Patrol agents being killed in cold blood.

    Where’s the outrage?

    Oh, now I see, since Obama is half Black, it’s OK if his policies directly lead to innocent Americans being killed, but if you’re Hispanic with a White surname such as Zimmerman, your ass is toast.

    I’m glad I that figured that one out.

    • Robert Riversong

      Your racist hatred of Obama does not change the facts of this case.

      [By the way, I detest Obama's policies, but I couldn't care less about the color of his skin.]

      • notafeminista

        My goodness.  You managed to chastise him and praise yourself for the exact same thing in one post.  Well done!

        • Robert Riversong

          I have no need for self-praise (or anyone else’s praise, for that matter). I merely indicated that I am no supporter of Obama – but for the reasons that should matter, not the reasons that don’t.

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

            You would prefer the complete insanity of amnesiac Republicans?  Amazingly out of touch.

        • AJ

          Robbie Riverdong loves the failed Presidency of Barack Obama, and anybody who criticizes Obama, according to Robbie Riverdong, has to be a racist.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Not sure how in the world you got Obama into your rant. But all the crazy posts I read prove how really racist most people are. Black racists, white racists, hispanic racists, asian racists. What a crazy worold of  hate and hypocrisy.

  • Vance Decker

    Zimmerman has not been arrested after shooting an unarmed boy. That alone should outrage every American citizen.

    The release of the 911 tapes PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that:

    1. Zimmerman’s Father is a liar.

    2. Zimmerman did not act out of self defense. You cannot ‘feel threatened’ when you are the one following and harassing someone.

    3. The police department should be held liable, not only for failing to do their duty and enforce the law and arrest Zimmerman, but also for giving this so called community watch leader the perceived authority to act on their behalf.  They are just as much at fault here as he is.

    • Robert Riversong

      To be fair to poor Zimmerman, witnesses have now come forward to say that that the two were fighting (apparently after Zimmerman cornered Trayvon and knocked the phone out of his hands) and, at one point, little Trayvon (more than 100 lbs lighter) was on top.

      According to the police report, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head. So he may very well have felt threatened when this little boy got the better of him.

      • Vance Decker

        I would have preferred it if Trayvon had been carrying a weapon of his own, and when stopped and cornered by a man who had no authority to do so, shot him instead.

        By not enforcing the law here, the police department is encouraging those who can, to arm themselves, if only in self defense from the various community watch vigilante nut bags.

        • Hidan

           Can you imagine if he did have a weapon? The police would prob be portraying Zimmerman as a hero and the thug, gangsta,drug dealer talk would be all over the thread by many racist.

      • Not another 1 please

        If correct riversong, Mr. Trayvon died a man shot by coward with a gun. Hail Trayvon!

    • Modavations

      1.We don’t need no stinking trial
      2.Trials are highly overated
      3.We all know he’s guilty,hang him

  • Modavations

    The main problem is the economy.When unemployement hits 5% love is in the airThe long term problem  is the single mother and welfare.Afford school vouchers,slowly end Welfare(marriage bonus not penalty) and the problems solved.It would help if Singers,Movie Stars and athletes would say it’s cool to graduate high school and marry.

    • Robert Riversong

      Apropos of nothing to do with this issue:

      Today’s new mothers are increasingly older, better educated and more likely to be unmarried than were mothers of newborn children in the past. In 2008, a record 41% of births in the U.S. were to unmarried women. This includes a majority of births to women younger than age 25 (59% to unmarried mothers). While the highest share of unmarried mothers is among black women (72%), the sharpest increase in unmarried births occurred among white (29%) and Hispanic mothers (53%). – PEW Research Center So, apparently, these more mature and better educated, mostly white women disagree that single motherhood is problem to society.As for “welfare”:The federal government defines welfare as all entitlement programs funded through taxes.

      Social Security is the nation’s largest welfare program, although many Whites prefer to call it a retirement plan. The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is that the life expectancy rate for Blacks is six years shorter than that of Whites, meaning Black workers spend years paying into a retirement system only to have White retirees reap the benefits for a longer time.

      But, even among all the poverty welfare programs, the majority of recipients are White. And the $730 billion the government pays out to direct payments to individuals is dwarfed by the $14 trillion paid out in welfare to Wall Street, which ignores the further billions in annual subsidies to the agribusiness and fossil fuel industries which often pay no taxes at all, and the trillions that go to the Military Industrial Complex to maintain access to resources and markets for the Corporados.

      • Modavations

        Chirp,cHIRP

        • Hidan

           failed humor. 

  • Modavations

    Shame,shame,shame.There was a day when a citizen was innocent until proven guilty.You are the howling mob of Robespierre.You are the guys who would lynch a black man without fact,just innuendo and hearsay.

    • Robert Riversong

      And you’re the bigot who would ignore all the facts (which could hardly be more clear in this case) that don’t comport with your prejudice. Rush Limbaugh, meet Modavations.

      • Modavations

        When the chirping of crickets sinks in,you’ll figure it out.I do not speak to haters.Now take a hint.I’ve said this twice.

      • Hidan

        Good work on bringing much more information of the case here.

        Thanks,

    • conversationalist

      Someone can be innocent until proven guilty, but also arrested based upon probable cause.  

      • Modavations

        I have absolutely no problem with that.I have no dog in this fight.I am offended by Lynchmen

        • Hidan

           Than take off the white hood.

  • wenoka

    My heart goes out to Trayvon’s family. I pray that Zimmerman gets exactley  what’s coming to him !!! If it had been a black guy shooting a white kid , he would have went to jail the same night!  It’s sad in 2012 that white people can still kill a black person and get away with it!

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Are you a family friend? Why do you feel that you should be on a first name basis?  What nonsense.

      • Vance Decker

        No, just a human being who still responds to injustice with outrage.

        Who are you exactly to question another persons motives? You are the nonsense.

    • Larronv123

       Oh, but it’s ok for black people to kill blacks, whites, and/or anyone else?  Once again, it is black folks only looking out for the interest of black folks.  Not a care in the world unless the victim is black, and the perp (in the rare occasions) is not.  Do you pray that all the black thugs who murder any innocent person get “exactly what’s coming to them”, or only if the victim is black, and the perpetrator is not black?  I suspect the latter.

      • The collective

        Oh…You forgot about the Muslims

        • larronv123

          You’re right, thanks for the reminder!  [but do you have any info to refute the Muslim statement?}

      • TFRX

        Not a care in the world unless the victim is black

        You really need to read up on race of victim w.r.t. who gets prosecuted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Babu-G-Ranganathan/1326164630 Babu G. Ranganathan

    Read the Internet story: THE RACIST GERMAN SHEPHERD AND THE BULLDOG. Just google the title to access the story. Read it and pass it on!

  • Doc

    I usually like this show.  But today’s show was beyond the pale.  The guests in the second half were so extreme in the views they spewed (and they did spew) that they did nothing to further the discussion and only threw gasoline on the fire that this story has become.  From severely insulting the Sanford police (based on what exactly?) to claiming that every time a black man walks out his door his life is in danger (I mean, could you be a little more dramatic?) – it just did nothing constructive for the conversation.  

    • Modavations

      fINALLY!!!!

    • Vance Decker

      They let a cold blooded murderer walk free. They failed to perform even the most basic of police investigations into the background of the shooter. They also attempted to block attempts by the public to obtain public records like the 911 calls.

      I’d say the Sanford police department deserves it.

      Is it asking too much for the police department to do their job, regardless of their ‘feelings’ in an objective professional manner?

      • Modavations

        Well folks take a good look,this is justice in a Leftist Utopia

        • http://twitter.com/Chrontius Chrontius Lameth

          Dude, Sanford’s like the most redneck big city in Florida.  It’s hardly marxist.

          • TFRX

            Also, what’s come to light on the track record of Sanford’s PD w.r.t. “getting to the bottom of things” makes me a bit queasy.

  • Modavations

    You guys are worse then your heroes in Moscow.At least they’d afford a Kangaroo trial.You’re more like Pol Pots crew.No trial,just whispers and down comes the ball peen hammer

    • Vance Decker

      How can a guy stalking and harassing another feel “threatened” ?

      • Modavations

        Listen Lynchman,bring him to court

        • Vance Decker

          So then we agree!

          The police need to jail the man. The judge can then set bail if it is called for and Zimmerman would then be brought before a court of law to determine guilt.

          …because, at the moment, none of this has been done.

          • Modavations

            Yes,yes,yes.All men deserve their day in court.

  • Mdouglas40324

    It is outrageous that this white man took it upon himself to hunt down a black boy walking in his neighborhood, AND carry a gun to do it. He should be charged with murder and locked up. Racist fear fueled by the politics of hate is to blame, here. Every time I hear politician say “Take Back Our Country”, this incident is exactly what they mean.

  • Reyes

    Simple put why wasn’t there a call on a white young male in all the calls from Zimmerman

  • Ty

    Regardless of his race, this saddens me. Zimmerman had no right to follow this young man. He should have stayed in his car, and waited for the police to arrive.

  • Larronv123

     Trayvon Martin’s killing is a murder at worst, a terrible injustice at best.

    However why continue to give the floor to racist blacks who make statements like “Nothing happens unless the white man says it happens”, and these absurd notions that “walking while black” makes you prone to be harmed?  Typically the villain doing the harming is, you guessed it, another black male.  Black males commit a dramatically disproportionate amount of violent crime.  Anytime there is a tragic event like this happening to a black person, there is always an outpouring of outrage which includes white people being outraged.  However, if the victim is white, I cannot think of any time I have ever seen black people outraged about something bad happening to a white person.  It is very similar to the fact you never see outrage in the Muslim community at atrocities committed by Muslims, only when the Muslims are the victim.

    It would be refreshing to see blacks (and Muslims) equally outraged at such events occurring to any victim, regardless of race.  But this is NEVER the case.  Blacks/Muslims band together only for their own interests, with little or no regard for the interests of other groups.

    And bringing Al Sharpton into the mix doesn’t do anything to solve this.

    Trayvon Martin appears to have been a victim.  His killer should be scrutinised intensely to sort out the truth of the matter.

    In the meanwhile, let’s see blacks start taking control of their own destinies by ostracising the thugs in their communities who make their communities unsafe to begin with, and take ownership of their own futures.  This business of “400 years of oppression” is total hogwash.  Not one black person 50 years of age or less has suffered oppression any more than anyone else.  Our housing projects and welfare roles are full of blacks who have lived on the dole for generations.  Take responsibility for your own futures and contribute to the community at large, not just the black community.

    • Vance Decker

      “Not one black person 50 years of age or less has suffered oppression any more than anyone else.”

      At best you are an uninformed nitwit idealist; at worst intentionally ignorant.

      • Larronv123

        No Vance, I’ve been around long enough to know the truth, as I suspect you do, but if not I’m always happy to educate an ignorant nitwit buffoon like yourself.

    • TFRX

      It would be refreshing to see blacks (and Muslims) equally outraged at such events occurring to any victim, regardless of race.

      Equal outrage for which events?

      This is about a quasi-legally-authorized quasi-coplike power trip by some numbwit who had the law on his side, literally had the police on the phone.

      Where is the equivocable incident where some black neighborhood watcher did that to a white / Latino teen because the down-market dressed teen “didn’t belong in their gated community?”

  • Hidan

    Trayvon Martin’s Last Phone Call Contradicts Shooter’s Claim, Attorney Says

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/20/148994809/trayvon-martins-last-phone-call-contradicts-shooters-claim-attorney-says

    George Zimmerman’s statement to police about what 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was up to on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., “is completely contradicted” by the boy’s cellphone records, an attorney for Martin’s family just said during a news conference in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.Attorney Benjamin Crump said the African-American teenager had been talking to friends all day and, as first reported earlier today by ABC News, was on the phone with a young girl when he was confronted by, in Crump’s words, “neighborhood association loose cannon” Zimmerman.The girl, Crump said, says Martin was just trying to get back to the house he and his father had been visiting when Zimmerman came into the picture. She heard Martin ask “why are you following me?” Crump said. Another voice, according to the girl, asked at least twice “what are you doing around here?”

    • Modavations

      I don’t know what’s up.You’re being challenged by Aj as NPR # 1 rascist.#1 Capo,#1 Uncle Tom.I thought you were head anti-semite.Are you expanding your portfolio?

      • Hidan

        Still scared to go outside. Boston really isn’t that bad. Blacks aren’t that scary.

        It’s amazing one’s called anti-semite for criticizing the open racism that the Israeli State openly promotes.

        What’s worth point out is Israel supported the apartheid south African government.

        Sun bathing in a hood can’t be good for you.

        • Modavations

          Ya sure kid.4 years in Joburg.Mr.appologist for the leftist ghetto.

          • Hidan

            Sure Mr. apertheid.

            World wide racist(WWR)

  • Rmfreyre

    Before the 7:40 break, you discussed the sale of fear, then asking black listeners what they have to say.

    Do you think that on some level, that sort of language is part of that culture of segregating self-identification; >>perhaps those who can identify with similar prejudices instead?

    Nicholas ???, in NY, spoke my thought about hispanics and latinos. I wonder what that demographic has to say. -Rob F, Miami, Fl. Cuban heritage, do not greatly identify. I look white but I’d describe it as pale. Thanks.

    • TFRX

      Do you think that on some level, that sort of language is part of that culture of segregating self-identification

      There is that, but I would also suggest that in today’s mediascape, sometimes “who decides things and who gets on TV” gets a bit insular. Even in this message board we may see two or three white northern suburbanites talking about race relations in the south or west, and we have to sorta stop and realize that all the angles aren’t being shown. First-hand experience has value for the rest of us.

      So on this particular day when someone shows up and wishes to self-identify as African American, I’m all for it.

      It’s not just On Point, and it’s not just race. Look at the all-male panel on womens’ healthcare before Congress. How many mainstream media sorts filed how many stories before anyone was taken aback and someone with millions of viewers asked “Why are all these men talking about womens’ hc?”

  • Bostonbookseller

    Hi Tom, thanks for talking about this important topic with your very knowledgeable guests. But PLEASE, when you call emergency services, you call nine-one-one, not nine-eleven! That is just a little weird.

  • Vance Decker

    I would just like to add one more source to the article’s suggested reading list:

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained

    It contains all of the recordings of the 911 calls in question.

    • Modavations

      I’ll speak for Vance…We know he did it.We don’t care what he says,or what evidence he may provide.Just hang him

      • Hidan

        I’ll speak for Moda,….black men walking the street are fair game.  The boy had skittles isn’t that enough proof to prove he’s a threat. 

        • Modavations

          Sure it is,in the court house Mr Capo

          • Hidan

             “Sure it is” See Grand Moda dragon admits it,

            “in the court house” guy wasn’t charged by the police hench no courthouse.

      • Vance Decker

        Well, the whole point of listening to the actual 911 calls, which my link provides, should serve to further the goal of finding the truth.

        The 911 calls contradict what the father said in a letter to the Miami newspaper in which he claimed that his son never confronted or followed Trayvon:

        http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-zimmerman-letter-20120315,0,1716605.story

        So, that is at the very least, is one act of deception by the Zimmerman family. In my view this completely erodes any credibility they may have had.

        Do you disagree with this assessment?

        • Modavations

          Absolutely.Nothing is evidence until presented in court.In Court

      • Not another 1 plz

        STOP STOP STOP

  • Susan

    Well gosh, it sounds like George Zimmerman is already convicted by the guests. Thanks for saving the expense of a trial.

    • Vance Decker

      LOL! Nice Try. E for Effort.

      However, guilt is up to the courts to decide. A personal opinion is up to each individual to form.

      I personally have accrued enough facts for myself to have made a determination of guilt. If you are unable to make such determinations without the aid of the legal system, then perhaps you should check into a course on logic from a local university extension.

      • Susan

        No you haven’t accrued enough facts to determine guilt. You think you have, but the cops have 100 percent more facts than you and still he’s not been arrested. Even an arrest is not an indication of guilt.

        All the same, thanks for the suggestion of a law course. It would be nice to see what regular folks like you are being taught about us lawyers.

        • Vance Decker

          I didn’t suggest a law course. You’re reading comprehension skills only serve to further my conclusion about your puerile analysis and criticism.

          • Modavations

            Vance Decker defense att,prosecuter,judge,jury and executrioner

          • Vance Decker

            I’m just asking for the police to act in an objective rational and predictable manner.

            An unarmed boy was shot. This man should be in jail.

          • Modavations

            Bull,bull,bull

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tanshell-Hackney-Curry/100002859280140 Tanshell Hackney Curry

          I want 2 say this: I am a black mother of 2 sons, if a black child his age does this they immediately gets arrested, but now that the shoe is on the other foot it is a process to wait 4. THAT IS NOT FAIR 

        • Not another 1 plz

          lets look at the facts, 1. the kid was followed 2. he carried an ice tea drink, skittles and a cell phone, lets say for argument sake he Trayvon hand was in his own waistband, Q? did you see a gun? and how did zimmerman get injuries to the back of the head? Zimmerman did not expect to get a woopen by fast agile kid so he shot him after praying on him, called the police before the altercation to cover his ass. DO YOU NEED MORE!

      • Modavations

        Then you shoot him Mr.High Executioner

    • Anonymous

      Gosh, he admitted he killed the kid. He should at least be arrested and have to post a bond.

    • Not another 1 plz

      some say convict, thats what you get when the police and D/A don’t act accordingly, and some say take a better look at the facts, zimmerman is known by police. scale of justice is tilted against a child that had to die a man.  

    • Belicious

      i totally agree. no one is speaking for Zimmerman! there’s got to be more to this story!!

  • Anonymous

    Wow, that is some crack reporting by the Miami Herald journalist. The family is “hiding something” because they didn’t volunteer Trayvon had been suspended, yet it took abc news to find Zimmerman’s arrest for assaulting the police and his mug shot. They can’t get their son back but I pray the chief, detectives who coached witnesses, and morgue employees who let this dead child’s phone ring without answering or calling the last number he died get sued or everything they have. I hope the Zimmerman’s name is mud in Florida and beyond for protecting their loser son who stalked and then got knocked on his overweight butt by a scared 140 lb kid and then executed him.

    • Vance Decker

      Exactly. It’s irrelevant information. Kids can get suspended from school for sharing an asthma inhaler, as a recent news story reported. Zimmerman was a grown man.

  • Miami Mom

    Tom, I live in South Florida in Broward County, within 2 miles from the last high school Treyvon attended. I’m a black mother of with 2 young men in their early 20′s. This case has been troublesome to me from day one. I have always told my boys, they are black they have to be extremely careful in everything that they do and they are perceived to be guilty in any action that is done, good or bad. Plenty of times, I had to come to my sons rescue because a teacher, administrator or law enforcement had label or assumed that they were delinquent juveniles. My sons explanation, words or evidence were not good enough to prove their innocents. I see how black males are treated different from whites at school, job and in the community and it hurts. And for that reason, I would have my sons to call or text me when something is going on; so I can intervene and do whatever I can to protect them. As a black mother I always pray that I never get a phone call that my boys were beaten or killed because they are black. Black people in general have to carry a heavy burden for being black, like its a crime.

    I feel Treyvon’s mother pain and there are so many reasons why as a black mother, I have very little faith in the police department but one is vivid in my mind right now. I’m not sure if you remember a few years ago there were several police involved shooting in Miami of young black men within a a 16 months period. The investigations where unjust to the families and it took the community to cry out for help and till this day there are still lots of unanswered questions to the death of these young men. What is going on with our justice system?

     Now  I don’t know what to tell my youngest son that is currently in North Dakota enrolled in college. I am afraid and do not know what to say to him on how to survive as a black man in a predominantly white area.

                                  “An unjust law is not law at all!”
                                                         St. Augustine
     

  • stjohn (sinjin)

    Tried calling, but couldn’t get through. As a foreigner to this country (New Zealander) I am absolutely perplexed when the two top stories are a teenager facing ten years for someone else taking their own life, and a grown man facing nothing after shooting a black boy with skittles in his hand. It makes absolutely no sense. The only silver lining in this story is that, finally, I hear people talking about the reality for black men in this country, over hundred of years after ‘emancipation’. The sad truth, as you’re guest pointed out, is that all those centuries of oppression don’t fade away … it unfortunately can only eat away at the soul of a country. One in eleven black men is in some sort of process in the legal system. It’s just plain sad. 

  • Helenej1

    Why did Zimmerman have a gun in the first place? When would this country understand about the gun situation?
    Also if only shows like “the wire” were not shown on TV, maybe the “phobia” would stop!
    There is way too much violence shown on TV and in movies!
    Zimmerman should be arrested.

    • Modavations

      If all we had to watch was PBS ,there’d be mass suicide.

      • Yorkcountgirl

         does your name stand for mold and vexation?

        • Modavations

          moldy vexation

    • TFRX

      Tangent: In my TV market I’m still waiting for my Evening News’ coverage* of violent crime to go down when the crime rates do.

      (*Yeah, I’m kidding–that will never happen.)

  • Modavations

    Romney by a landslide.President Willard Mitt Romney.I like that,has a ring to it

  • Marsha Brown

    Why was someone with a violent background — an arrest for domestic violence — allowed to buy and keep a gun? Why didn’t 46 phone calls to the police raise THEIR suspicions as to the, er, shall we say stability of Zimmerman, and at least motivate them to investigate him, and take away his gun?

    • Vance Decker

      I will let you in on a little secret.

      The police were sanctioning this type vigilante law enforcement under the guise of ‘community policing’

      • Modavations

        Utter hearsay.

        • Vance Decker

          Hit a nerve?

    • http://twitter.com/Chrontius Chrontius Lameth

      A conviction for domestic violence should automatically disqualify someone from owning guns.  Dunno who dropped the ball on this one.

      • TFRX

        Maybe Florida was too busy scrubbing people wrongly from voting rolls to pay attention to who qualifies to be licensed on its gun-owning rolls.

  • Phoebe

    If you listen to the  911 tapes  what is frustrating to hear is  an “authority” that is primed to identify an  ‘uncommon or out of the ordinary’ behavior in someone who is black or different than themselves. Irregardless  of who our president is, we have not progressed in our thinking that a person, different from us, is not automatically a  threat. That thinking  has only worsened. The discrepancy between white and black is America’s  oldest and most talked about  injustice, however forms of segregation and racial discrimination have not subsided and have only morphed into other ‘justifiable’ prejudices.

  • Modavations

    Rev Al the Dem # 3 Capo behind Hidan and the Rev Jesse is predictably heading for Sanford.Jesse won’t be far behind.After all he is a founding father of the Justice Brothers

    • Hidan

       Grand Dragon Moda says it, it must be true. Take the hood off and go outside.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kaben-Schwartz/115789 Kaben Schwartz

    This should open a dialogue for real guns laws, obviously w/  Gabby Giffords  now this, with “legal guns” we should question.. 

    • http://twitter.com/Chrontius Chrontius Lameth

      The great state of Florida already requires you to have a clean background, a clean bill of (mental) health, and training in gun safety in order to obtain a license to carry a firearm or other concealed weapon.

      They also provide you with a copy of Florida Statutes chapter 790, the one regarding weapons.  They expect you to read it and become familiar with it.

      Zimmerman pretty clearly failed on that last point.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TallPhilosopher John Champagne

    Tom Ashbrook drew an equivalence between citizens taking initiative to arrest someone for committing a crime and Zimmerman’s actions. But for there to be an equivalence, Zimmerman would have to be responding to a crime. What crime had Martin committed that Zimmerman was responding to, in the view of Ashbrook?

    A cure for what ails the planet:
    http://gaiabrain.blogspot.com

  • Terry Tree Tree

    The U.S. Department of Justice NEEDS to FULLY investigate this!!
        MUCH of it smells!
        The case needs to be IMMEDIATELY investigated, FULLY, and ALL evidence publicly exposed to the media and law enforcement simultaneously!
        I, and the public CANNOT make a judgement on it, except to push for a FULL, COMPLETE, UNBIASED investigation.

    • Modavations

      Good God!!!!This guy would hang every Priest in America.Hide your children.Here comes the man from N.A.M.B.L.A.

      • Ashleyyoshida

         You two are too funny!  I hope you are best friends in the real world.

  • Belicious

    this is such an unfortunate situation… because guns were involved.  i am so sure there is more to this story than we know now. Zimmerman has to be given the opportunity to present his case. i know him. he is not a racist. I know mr. zimmerman and he is a good man but he was scared and he had a gun. he comes from a solid family. don’t judge him until you know the full story.

    • Mcmoma26

      Unfortunate for whom?  I really don’t care if he is a racist or not, my concern is his blatant disregard for the young mans life….he never should have put himself in that situation. When the dispatcher told him not to pursue the young man he should have listened.  Also your argument is mute….he came from a good family…so did most of the murders in  this country. 

    • Modavations

      Now you’re judging him.I sympathize,but you must also wait till his day in court.You don’t know he was scared,you’re hypothesizing

  • stopthewars

    The toy cop’s name is Zimmerman. Tom goes out of his way to say he is Hispanic. If he is, he’s clearly of mixed ancestry. Zimmerman being a Jewish name. Why say he’s Hispanic and not just white? Toy cops should not be given guns. Toy cops harbor secret violent fantasies and are generally not stable. This was clearly someone who was not interested in watching and reporting to the police but someone who was out to prove himself and indulge his own violent fantasies. Why is this country so enamored of guns and the hyper-masculine apes who wield them in movies and television? Why does this country produce these sick violent people?  The kid sadly did not have the wisdom to see this and to avoid engaging this type of individual. Hope there is a lesson in this. Do not confront these violent types and they wil deflate and revert to the scared children they really are. 

    • Belicious

      he is peruvian american – he is NOT sick and violent. don’t judge until you know both sides of the story. the lesson in this is that guns are the most dangerous to put in a person’s reach.

      • Anonymous

        Both sides of the story? The story is that Zimmerman murdered an unarmed teenager. There is no other side.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

          So much for the presumption of innocence, eh?  Toss the Constitution, for YOU have made up your mind and never to be confused with facts. What nonsense.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        Thank the NRA for the guns and its paid stooges in Congress.

      • http://twitter.com/Chrontius Chrontius Lameth

        I’m a gun owning democrat, (and yes, I’m aware of the irony there) and I haven’t shot anyone yet, knock on wood, nor do I have *any* desire to *ever* be placed in that situation.  

        I *am*, however, fairly sick of being painted as dangerous or lumped into a group with aggressive types like Zimmerman there, and I also find it pretty disingenuous to blame an inanimate tool for the aggression displayed by the person using it.  Please don’t blame guns – it (at least partially) takes the blame away from where it belongs.

        • Modavations

          As a Dem.do you know what end of the pistola issues the slug

      • Modavations

        Tell your mate that until he’s proven guilty in a court of law,I’m with him.If you loses I have no sympathy

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Zimmerman is German, not Jewish….more sterotyping stupidity.

    • Modavations

      zimmer means room in German.

  • Modavations

    I remember the bombing in the park in Atlanta.The backpack explosion.Everyone painted the fat security kid as guilty.The devil incarnate.Of course,after real justice ran it’s course ,he was found innocent.Vance Decker chief prosector,defense lawyer,judge and jury,would have hung that kid

    • Ray in VT

      Apples and oranges.  This case may, or may not, be open and shut, but from what evidence is currently being presented to the public it does not look good for Mr. Zimmerman. 

      He should have his day in court to determine his guilt or innocence, but a lot of the outrage seems to be due to the fact that 911 has him on tape following the kid.  There’s an altercation, and the kid ends up shot to death and the guy isn’t arrested.

      • Modavations

        It is not evidence until presented in court.That’s it foR me.You guys have turned an optimist into a grieving man.gRIEVING BECAUSE aMERICA IS RUN BY THE lYNCHMAN,THE WILD MOBS OF rOBESPIERRE.hERESAY AND INNUENDO.yOU ALL NEED TO REREAD TO kILL A mOCKINGBIRD

        • Vance Decker

          comment deleted by me. :)

        • Not another 1 plz

          Rush baby is that you? should’nt you be sleeping, now go to bed dear to be rested for your show in the morning and bring mama that money, night sweathart.

          • Modavations

            I had your momma.No big deal

    • Gregg

      Man! I was in that park (Centennial) the day before the bomb blew.

      Richard Jewell’s life was never the same after that. All he did was what was right.

  • Tm_oneil

    I don’t think that this shooting was a white /black thing at all.It was about guy who thought he was a cop,had been walking his beat for a long time and he just wanted to shoot someone.

    • Tm_oneil

      I’m a little upset that so many people are trying to make this a race thing.there are alot of white men who have many ,many guns that don’t go around and shoot the black man.This guy was just a Hot-head and wanted to shoot to kill.This poor kid did nmothing wrong and his killer needs to pay !!!!!!!!!

      • Yorkcountygirl

        its racist because this paranoic lunatic was convinced that a black kid couldn’t possibly be on an innocent errand in the racists gated community.  Duh 

        • Still Here

          Maam, there were Hispanics in the community.  How racist could it have been really?

      • anon

        what a racist! shooting a 160 lb football player who tackled him and slamed his head into the concrete of a drainage gutter between two houses neither of which belonged to him! thinking that it was odd that trayvon was looking into windows and over fences into people’s back yards (all described on the 911 tape) thinking that it was odd that trayvon, after noticing that he was seen looking into a backyard covered his head up with a hoodie to conceal his identity like a criminal escaping a crime scene! what a racist!

  • Necole

    There are several things in question here: (1) Listening to an earlier report about Zimmerman earlier today on NPR, a reporter commented that the association that sanctions these neighborhood watch associations has no record of Zimmerman being a member of that particular neighborhood watch association; (2) Even if Zimmerman was a legitimate member of a neighborhood watch association, how did he become a member of a neighborhood watch association having a record for assaulting a police officer? (3) As I understand it, the “Stand Your Ground Law” applies to individuals that are “defending themselves”—-not individuals that “follow an individual” because in that individual’s “warped” opinion they look suspcious; (4) Zimmerman mentioned that Trayvon “looked like he was on drugs”; if Trayvon was in front of Zimmerman and had on his hood, how did Zimmerman come to the conclusion that Trayvon looked as if he was on drugs?  Did he see Trayvon’s eyes, did he see Trayvon “nodding off”?  Or did he just see a young, black male w/a hoodie on, walking w/something in his hands and his other hand in his pants?  Yep, that sounds like a druggie to me!!  Pleeeese!!!  And what’s even more ironic is that Zimmerman stated that he thought Trayvon was armed and it turned out that “Zimmerman was armed”!!!  Yeah, Trayvon was armed with the purchases he had made while in the 7/11 and ZIMMERMAN was the one w/the gun.  And what IF Trayvon was armed (and I’m not suggesting that Trayvon should’ve been)——SO WAS ZIMMERMAN AND HE WAS THE RACIST, LOOSE CANNON!!!!  Oh but I guess in Zimmerman’s eyes if HE (Zimmerman) had a gun “naturally” it was for “protection”; but if Trayvon had a gun, as a young, black male w/a hoodie on “naturally he (Trayvon) HAD to be up to no good” huh?  I hope and pray that this case opens EVERYONE’S eyes—–white, black, yellow, red, brown and indifferent…   These racial lines do nothing but divide us and WE are MUCH more alike than different.  While we’re fighting against one another, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle class is disappearing.  Additionally, I personally feel that because America has not dealt w/slavery for what it really was—-tell the REAL story about how brutal it was, how it was a systematic attempt at dehumanizing a certain race of people to keep them under subjection; even after slavery was “abolished”, Jim Crow was instituted; talk about who benefited from it then,  even now and the ramifications that linger to this day——and get it out in the open so we can then POSSIBLY move on and work towards becomming a better nation.   America is very quick to condemn what other countries have done and are doing—–making sure that people/the viewers get the “real” story; yet the “real story” about slavery and it’s ramifications.  Yep, it’s ugly, brutal, inhumane; BUT we can’t change what has already happened.  Let’s get it all out so we can possibly move on as a nation.  I’m also convinced that many white people look at slavery as being benign because THEY don’t know the whole story.  That’s why many whites feel that we as blacks are “too” sensitive—–they don’t say that about Jewish people.  That’s because the Jewish people MADE SURE that the TRUTH of their story was told.  Since America is not going to tell the ugly truth, what about BLACKS ensuring that the “whole truth” be told instead of bits and pieces her and ther throughout the years?  And what about the blacks that are selling drugs in their own neighborhoods, killling blacks, impregnating their black sisters and abandoning them?  Isn’t that a form of enslavement as well that seems to have become generational?  I have and still am making SURE that my son knows his/his people’s history, just as my mother did with me.  Not to inspire hate, but rather pride and more importantly KNOWLEDGE.  I could go on and on…  WE——ALL of us ——can make a difference!! 

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Were you a slave? Do you know any slaves? Your anti-white racist rant is beyond reason. Do you know that REAL SLAVERY exists today in AFRICA?  If you were really so concerned about slavery you would be speaking out about where it exists TODAY. Instead you choose to make a stupid attempt to make whites feel guilty for something they had nothing to do with. Talk about the GAME of playing the race card. You are too much!

      • Fredlinskip

            It seems if Trayvon had been white, walking on a sidewalk talking on a cell phone, he would be alive today.
            If Trayvon’s death was initiated on by “racial profiling”,  then it is perfectly understandable for people to discuss it in racial terms-

        even if it offends some poor discriminated- against white folks.

      • Ashleyyoshida

         Jason,

        meds dear.  Have you taken them today?  Blacks in America today are dealing with the LEGACY of slavery. When the horrors of slavery ended and the era of cruel segregation began, the black former slaves had next to nothing, while the white former slave owners had amassed huge fortunes using generations of unpaid labor.  Generations of African Americans are still playing catch up on this uneven playing field.  I’m really hoping you are eight years old.  That way your lack of information can be excused.  Go ask you teacher for help.  maybe she can help you write a report, on slavery, the civil war, abolition, segregation, and finally the effects that are still being felt  keenly in modern society.

        • anon

          since you obviosly don’t have the iq to read a history book dear why don’t you go and watch the movie gone with the wind to see what happened to the fortunes of the plantation owners after the civil war? i can point to hundreds of immigrants who attend service at my church who were able to in one generation overcome the supposed uneven playing field why haven’t the blacks done it in ten or more generations? because they never have any where in the world and never will

  • Ashleyyoshida

    I was immediately struck by the outrageously inappropriate add that came on just before the show (website).  A bunch of white people dancing around singing “He had it comin’! He had it comin’!” It’s such a perfect snapshot of the insensitive white American culture.  Most people just don’t care about the death of a young black boy. 

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      So you take a few nuts and extrapolate to the rest of the population?  No stereotyping there. What a racist nut you are.

      • Ashleyyoshida

         Jason dear…Are you new to this country?  This planet perhaps? 

         The United States has a very LONG and tragic history of unresolved
        murders of African Americans that go unpunished and unnoticed to this
        day.  Slavery, Segregation…Black people are afraid of white people in
        this country, and have been for a long time rightfully so.

        I have black friends who will not go to Texas for any reason.   I have other black friends who aren’t organ donors because they are afraid that if the are in an accident, a white medic might not do all that is possible for them, valuing the organ more. 

        These aren’t the actions of a few nuts. ( And this is why I think you may just  be joining us from an undiscovered village in the Amazon).  We have a serious race problem in this country and young black people are the victims. 

        Has anyone asked what Zimmerman was smoking?  Or if he was just drunk on too many FOX news “There’s a black man coming in your window” coctails?  And Jason, you don’t know me.  Don’t call me a nut or a racist.

    • anon

      white people are killed multiple times a day by black criminals and no one cares. in fact each year more whites are murdered by black than were killed by lynch mobs in the entire history of the south up to the time of the founding fathers, and two thirds of the people lynched in the south were white!

  • Rick

    Yes, there is enough racsim to go around. Blacks are taught that their forefathers were owned by whites. Not mentioning that they were owned by “rich whites”. Not mentioning that they were freed by poor whites that fought a war and gave thier blood and life for them. As a poor white I have been attacked by black youths more than once because I am white. Then the establishment gives preferences to blacks over poor whites and creates quotas. Not quotas for rich positions, but for poor positions. Why? To promote racism, its good for politics. The system wants the hatred to continue. Like hate laws… I don’t believe anyone ever attacked me becaus they loved me. At some point though, we have to man up and take up for our own thoughts and actions. I hope the whole truth comes out and justice prevails. And I hope we are all human enough to accept justice.   P.S. in spite of being attacked by some misguided black youths, I still know that most blacks are decent human beings.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Do you know that PC dictates that we do not discuss the historical fact that in the pre-war South there were blacks who owned other blacks? As too were there Native American slave holders. Simplistic PC propaganda will not discuss these facts, because it is much easier to play the race card against whites. Another undiscussed fact is that slavery exists TODAY in the African nation of Mauretania. Again, it is easier for Amrican blacks to ignore this evil and beat whites over the head for and event which ended 150 years ago, and which no living person ever participated in.

      And I too have faced discriminatio from blacks on more that one occasion.

      • Fredlinskip

        Honestly this seems like one of the more goofball comments I’ve seen in a while.
        You seem to be trying to excuse practice of slavery in the South.
        And what?-
        blame it on African Americans?

        • Larronv123

          No, blame it on the Africans who sold their war prisoners into slavery to the hapless Dutch, who introduced slavery the US, thus forever obligating the white AMERICAN to paying for the upkeep of the majority of the AA community in the US in perpetuity, even though no white man alive today has not benefited nor has any involvement in slavery.  And for that matter, please help us any living African Americans who actually experienced slavery so the reparations benefit can be calculated.

          • Anonymous

            You have to be kidding.
            One thing you did leave out was that for centuries the entire South’s economic existence was based on slavery and after the Civil War a corrupt penal system that kept Black men and women in chains for decades well up unto the 1940′s.

          • Larronv123

            You’ve got to be kidding.  Quite a broad generalization you’ve arrived at concerning the penal system.  However, the 1940s was, 7 decades ago.  The system has bent over backwards and continues to do so to make up for past injustices that happened to blacks who actually suffered these injustices.  Most of them are dead now yet the system continues to bend over backwards handing out freebies to blacks on the dole.

          • Anonymous

            No I’m not kidding. The law in the south from about 1870 until the 40′s was used to jail African American males and women. Mostly men who were then put to work in mines, turpentine distilleries, factories and in agriculture. This was a sorry part of our history and to deny it is foolish. The other part of your comment does not even deserve a response.

          • Still Here

            You may not be kidding, but you’re a joke. 

          • anon

            well at least working in a mine they got 3 hots and a cot. there are videos on the internet of blacks in africa eating cow $hit (and this is in contemporary times) because they don’t even have the IQ to feed themselves, if you don’t like it here why don’t you use your white taxpayer funded education helping the people you think are so great in Africa figure out that they can build houses out of things other than grass and mud.

          • anon

            you are an uninformed idiot. the economics of slaves was such that owning them was only profitable for those in the cotton industry because pre industrialization it was labor intensive to produce. that’s why slavory only prevailed in some areas of the south where cotton was king. if the ‘entire’ economy of the south were built on slaves that would mean that nothing other than agriculture would have increased gdp there since virtually all slaves were illiterate and capable only of building huts made out of grass and cow $hit, the pinnacle of ‘african architecture’ during that time period. it’s true that a statistically significant portion of the south’s gdp came from sales of cotton picked by black slaves but before whites came along there was almost no knowledge of agriculture among blacks from the afican continent, agriculture being an activity requiring future thought orientation. stating that the south’s existence was dependent on black slaves for centuries implies that you have no knowledge of history since the south was largly unoccupied until about 100 years before the civil war. you might accurately state that for one century a rising portion of the south’s economy depended on cotton picked by slaves, a crop that the average black man would have found no use for since the pinnacle of african fashion was animal skins. to say that the south’s existance (not it’s cotton picking) depended on black slaves is absurd I’m pretty sure the euro centric settlers there are the ones who tamed the wild west not to mention explored the world and made every scientific discovery of note. i would argue the opposite, that the existence of any opportunity today of a black person to advance himself is owed to the fact that he was lucky enough to have an ancestor who was captured by a black in africa and sold by said black person in africa to a slave trader and transported to america. had this not happened they would instead reside in a place like zimbobwe or the congo, otherwise known as the rape capitol of the world.

  • BV in RR

    I am truly sorry for the family of this young black boy and have absolute disgust for those who have no remorse or sense of duty to bring charges against the man who shot him dead

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Briner/1278975774 Mike Briner

    I was saddened listening to today’s show.  Thinking about the conversation after the show ended, wondered why no discussion of guns in our culture?  Had George Zimmerman not had a gun in his possession, he likely wouldn’t have had the confidence to follow Trayvon and eventually confront and kill him.  Had he not had a gun, the worst-case scenario would likely have been the police showing up and harassing Trayvon about why he is was out and where he was going.  He would still be alive and with his family.

  • Yorkcountygirl

    Mr Zimmerman sound like a paranoic vigilante who should be charged with murder and end up committed to a mental institution for the rest of his life. 

  • Martin Evans

        Alexander is 4 years old. He’s the son of a black man – me.      
        Earlier, while listening to this evening’s “On Point,” I heard a 911 tape of Trayvon Martin’s last moments alive – tapes the police had to be forced to release. I had thought of heeding Tom Ashbrook’s warning that the recording might be too disturbing. I wish I had.
        The tape include the sound of Trayvon begging for someone to come to his aid. It included the sound of the gunshot that killed him. I was in my car when I heard them. I was sobbing as I pulled into my driveway.
        I realized there was nothing I could do about the fact that in 10 short years, my son, who is already up to my waste, will be about Trayvon’s height and weight. In ten short years, my son will be a black teenager living in a trigger-happy society that is terrified of black teenagers.
        The tears would not stop coming as I thought of what had happened to Trayvon, and, God forbid, what could await Alexander.
        Will I learn from a 911 recording someday that Alexander’s last words were a terrified and mournful “Help …… Help…..” as they were for Trayvon? Will Alexander die at the hands of a vigilante who thinks that black kids they don’t recognize are to be followed, confronted and “defended against” with deadly force? Will I raise Alexander to be like the typical NPR listener that I am — gentle and caring and with no habit of violence — only to see him gunned down because someone else believes black people are inherently brutal, dangerous and unworthy of respect? And if my child is shot dead by an over-zealous vigilante who chases him for blocks, then shoots him 100 feet from his home, will the police just shrug, and say they see no reason to investigate such a killing?
         But maybe Alexander will be lucky. He has my German wife’s blue eyes, and my mother’s parchment-colored skin, and the soft brown “Jewfro” curls of his black-and-Jewish cousins. Alexander likely will always be able to “pass for white.”
         It pains me to have to admit this, but if it will keep him from getting killed, I hope people won’t always realize that my son’s father is black.

    • Martin Evans

       Actually, he’s up to my waist. But you get the picture…

    • Gregg

      I’m sure your son is very precious. Please don’t let him believe he will be  “a black teenager living in a trigger-happy society that is terrified of black teenagers”.  It’s racist and nothing good will come of it. Please don’t raise your son to be like one of the mob of blacks beating whites at the Wisconsin State Fair.

      • Martin Evans

         Gregg, I have no intention of raising my son to be “black,” or to be “not black.” I hope he grows up knowing that he is part of a larger world, one informed both by his African and by his equally wonderful European heritages, as well as by his Hispanic and Asian playmates. I hope he realizes his ethnicity does not make him any more or less worthy than any of them. But it would be irresponsible for me not to let him know that black teenagers are mortally vulnerable because they are often viewed with irrational fear. And I will have to tell him that police departments generally include significant numbers of individuals whose decisions and actions are skewed by such irrational fears. The facts of Trayvon Martin’s killing bear this awful reality out. Had Zimmerman seen Trayvon with unbiased eyes, Trayvon would have been able to accomplish what he set out to do that night – watch the second half of the NBA All Star game with his father and brother.

        • Gregg

          IMHO your son is not “informed both by his African and by his equally wonderful European heritages, as well as by his Hispanic and Asian playmates”. My view is all of that is interesting but irrelevant. Your son is informed by you. His ethnicity does not dictate is honesty and integrity. His ethnicity is not his albatross. He has nothing to fear. Zimmerman is a cold-blooded nut case not a reflection of a mortal threat to all black teenagers. Have more respect for your fellow man.

      • Anonymous

        Please don’t let him believe he will be  “a black teenager living in a trigger-happy society that is terrified of black teenagers”.  It’s racist

        http://blacksnob.com/snob_blog/2012/3/20/no-apologizes-on-the-killing-of-trayvon-martin-and-being-goo.html

        • Anon

          Hey there mr blacksnob.com, know the number one cause of death for black women of child bearing age? Google it to find out. Here’s a clue: it’s the same number one cause of death for black men of child eating age, other black men.

          • Anonymous

            You all are some sick people…beyond sick.

    • Anonymous

      I pray sir that your son will not grow up in such a world.
      But alas, given the vitriol of the comments here and else where it seems that might not be the case.

      What struck me about your comment is the sheer absurdity of it on one level, that one should even have these thoughts and fears about their son. 

      One other thing that struck me, the lack of empathy for Martins untimely and violent death. I started to noticed as I read some of the weird and absurd comments here, how this was missing, even form people who were going on about being innocent before being guilty.  I kept wondering how is it we have come to this?

      • Gregg

        What strikes me is the racism of those who see the world in terms of race and nothing else. Sad.

        • Anonymous

          No, what’s sad is that you don’t get it.

           

          • Gregg

            Black on black crime is epidemic. Black mobs targeting whites is now commonplace. Racially motivated white on black crime is rare. Don’t tell me we live in a racist society where blacks are considered second class, they’re not. Blacks are not targets of Southern Republicans. The notion is racist.

          • Anonymous

            And your point is what?
            I never said anything about the Southern chapter of GOP.
            That you think we don’t live in a society in which there is no racism is your opinion, however from what I gather you don’t seem to be black or Asian or Latino so how would you know. 

            You’re attempt here to turn this into something else other than what it is, the senseless murder of an innocent 17 year old African American boy somehow seems crass to me.

            Funny how you had to add that little tidbit about Southern Republicans not targeting Blacks. That’s a very telling statement in of itself.

          • Gregg

            Have you not seen all the vitriolic blanket accusations about the South?

            You wrote:”You’re attempt here to turn this into something else other than what it
            is, the senseless murder of an innocent 17 year old African American boy
            somehow seems crass to me.”

            NO dammit, I am not you are. I think it TOTALLY is what you describe but the intent is to turn it into an indictment of a racist America (particularly the South). It is too imply as Mr. Martin reflects,  black teenagers are “living in a trigger-happy society that is terrified of black teenagers.”

            I reject that notion. I am not saying racism doesn’t exist but this view is abhorrent. I give it zero credence whatsoever. This was a senseless murder of a 17 year old, period. His race is irrelevant.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t tell me we live in a racist society where blacks are considered
            second class, they’re not. Blacks are not targets of Southern
            Republicans.

            You posted this and now you say there is racism. OK I’m going to say that we are misunderstanding each other somewhat.
            That said I’m not saying this all about race, I’m not sure if Zimmerman was thinking about race or not. He did go out of his way to mention that the Martin was black to the 911 operator. 

            That said, his murder has opened up some deep wounds in our society that you can deny exist, or come to terms with and attempt to deal with them.

            I agree with you that this was a senseless death.
            I might also add that Zimmerman should not have been armed and the police response in this matter has been pretty awful.

            I was wondering why Zmmerman did not just have pepper spray, which is what all registered neighborhood watches use as a line of defense. 

          • Anon

            We agree this was not a senseless act of violence it was cold and calculated trayvon has been taught to take from birth beginning with his name and ending with his father in section 8 housing and he attacked Zimmerman for the same reason he put up his hoodie as described by Zimmerman in the first place which was to try and protect his identity. Zimmerman who was a police department applicant probably wanted to see trayvons face in case he ever needed to know what this person who was in a gated. Immunity he did not live in actually looked like.

          • Anonymous

            It’s kind of funny how one who is trying to demean others through language can sound like such an illiterate fool.
            How the disillusion of self is personified by posting so many diatribes through a lens of indifference.  It’s also amusing or sad, that one is seemingly attempting to evoke an air of superiority. However, it would seem that what we have here is nothing more than the rhetorical ramblings of a fool.

      • Still Here

        Your vitriol is worst of all, your comments the most absurd and bizarre.  Your empathy is contrived.

        • Anonymous

          Judging from your vitriolic comments on this forum, I’m supposed to really care what you have to say?

        • Modavations

          Be nice the guys got Rabies

    • Jersey Lu

       Martin, thank you for sharing this. I turned the radio off, (thank you Tom for the warning). I haven’t been able to listen to too much of all this. It is just so heart breaking. I am a white mother of white teenage boys. I am so aware that I have no idea of the reality of being a parent to black teenagers. I think it’s shameful how black males especially are ill treated or completely ignored in this country. I think that James McBride spoke to the heart of it all. I could never put into words as well as he did, but I’ve always hated the idea of the gated communities, the SUVs, etc. I never wanted any of it, and now understand a bit more of the why. It’s all exclusive vs. inclusive. I want my children to be in an inclusive community. Our kids will make the world a better place, I do have faith in that. I see them with their friends of so many colors and cultures..there IS hope for the future, for your son’s adult life.

      As for this terrible killing – I think the killer is probably both a victim of our fear selling culture,(racist) and a nutcase, who should never have had a gun. Why didn’t the police stop his vigilante episodes before it came to this?

      The most racist part of this is the police haven’t arrested the killer. That pains me as a member of this society. I am glad that the Justice Dept is investigating. That allows a bit of faith that our society hasn’t lost all we’ve gained.

      In the memory of Trayvon Martin, may we (white people) try to make this a more accepting world for all, including your son.

      • Martin Evans

         Hey, we are moving in the right direction. Things are far better than they were 50 or 75 years ago, when segregated schools and other oppressions were the law of the land (my own marriage would have been a felony in several states). But inequality of opportunity remains ingrained (hurting people of all ethnic backgrounds, but having a disproportional impact on black and Hispanic communities). And this inequality perpetuates anger and disillusionment, which lead to class confrontations anywhere in the world inequities are present.

        • anon

          Explain to me how forcing blacks to administer and care for their own wellbeing during segregation absent the evil and racist white people is detrimental to them without admitting that blacks are incapable of building and maintaining their own civilizations. I DARE YOU TO. Why do blacks NEED white people? Why can’t they just leave us alone and build their own communities if they don’t like theirs? Why?

    • anon

      Dear Martin Evans. You have been lied to. When the police questioned Trayvon’s father about who’s voice was begging for help on the 911 tape, he replied that it was NOT trayvon’s voice. Eye witnesses at the scene stated that it was Zimmerman on the ground being beaten by Trayvon and they Zimmerman was yelling for help. Now I know that as a black man you have been told since birth that none of your failures are your own fault but if you fail to keep your son from strolling around peering into windows and over fences into people’s backyards as Trayvon was described doing by Zimmerman over a period of several minutes on the 911 tape, all this at the age of 18, you must understand that (reasonable) people will not believe that your son was hurying back to watch a basketball game and will instead believe that he is ‘casing’ a home for a crime of some sort. That is true whether he is an 18 year old white or an 18 year old black. Furthermore, Zimmerman was attacked by Travon as stated by the eye witnesses in the report and confirmed by Zimmerman’s injury to the back of his head when Travon a 160lb football player tackled Zimmerman, causing Zimmerman’s head to slam into the concrete gutter that ran in between the two houses, neither of which belonged to Trayvon, that Trayvon was likley using as an access point for convenient loot search and removal. If you care as much about your son as you claim (an unusual trait among blacks, of whom only about 20% live with their paternal fathers) then you should simply teach him with a series of electric shocks and treats for good behavior, that if he tackles a man with a gun, he deserves to be shot in the chest!

  • Simonebyers

    Since when does defending oneself include following the so-called threatening person? Sounds like a twisted sick man out hunting. I think he intentionally killed the kid before the police could get there and the cops are scum for not arresting him. I am a middle aged white woman and I have had it with racist pigs. If that kid were white Zimmerman would have been locked up so fast his head would spin and they probably would have accidentally smacked his head when they threw him in the car.

  • Master of the obvious

    Does Florida have the death penalty for cold-blooded stalking and murder?

    • TFRX

      Florida’s law on things like this is a mess. What one considers commonsense seems far removed from the slight burden Florida law may place on Zimmerman to show he (Zimmerman) was not breaking the letter of the law which applies.

      Thank Gov. Jeb Bush for the “Stand your ground” laws. As Fla courts have put it,

      “defendant’s only burden
      is to offer facts from which his resort to force could have been
      reasonable”

      “the State has the burden of proving beyond a
      reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act in self-defense”.

  • Gregg
  • Prayerfully Yours

    Our hearts aches for this young man and his family. Our condolences and prayers goes to all involved. Rest in peace in the arms of the Lord Trayvon.

  • Helena

    What a sweet bright face and smile. I feel too sad to say much more…..and my tears make it hard to type…….

    • Linda

      From the 911 call that I heard on the air, it did actually sound like Zimmerman was using his moment of talking to the police as a sort of witness to his actions. You could hear his breathing pick up as he started walking fast to keep up with this young man (Trayton). I did not hear the rest of the 911 call, but it seemed that Zimmerman used his being on the phone with the police to hype up this kids presence and then shoot him out of prejudice. What…did a soda and skittles look like a danger to Zimmerman?

  • http://twitter.com/907611 907611

    there’s nothing new there’s always been a  standing attitude for people who are non blk having a sense of entitlement this is  not new.  

  • http://twitter.com/907611 907611

    I can’t believe the media in how some of them are portraying g zim. this speaks to how a large part of society sees and devalue the life of a black person esp. a blk man the arrogance even in death SAD!

    • Anon

      And just how should the media value the life of a man who uses his 5 day school suspension to attack from behind a community watch volunteer who observes him looking into people’s windows and over their fences into backyards?

  • http://twitter.com/907611 907611

    The grand jury to convene what a joke the same people who support the stand your ground laws and their political friends are the same people who will sit on this grand jury this case must be removed from the south!

    • Heather

       I take it you live in the north. All southerners are not racists. I am infuriated and sick to my stomach at what happened to Trayvon. Not only should Zimmerman be prosecuted, the police dept. should be investigated by the state and the feds, and Floridians should take a hard look at their new “stand your ground” law, which gives the Zimmermans of the state, license to decide who’s a threat, shoot them down in the street and walk away free.

  • http://twitter.com/907611 907611

    To suggest that police chief should resign LOL this is is not a isolated event of injustice at the hands of this same police dept. this department should be shuttered. Fire & charge all of them as accompliises.  

    • Anon

      We agree it SHOULD be shuttered let blacks pay for and administer their own justice everyone knows that black people the world over build the most advanced and safe communities to live in. I don’t see why more people don’t just unilaterally elect black people without knowing anything other than race just look at how many inventions we have from brilliant black inventors. That’s why you always hear about white people drowning in boats trying to get to the pristine cities in south Africa!

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  • Anonymous

    I wonder how the story would be playing out in Florida and around the country if Martin had somehow managed to kill Zimmerman in self-defense. Just food for thought.

    • Heather

       Martin would be in jail facing murder charges and the story may or may not ever have made it to the national level.

  • Kenneth

    Was Zimmerman stalking Martin?
    Is stalking a crime in Florida?
    If it is a felony there,
    might it be considered ‘felony murder’?
    Does the a ‘stand your ground’ law
    protect anyone actually commiting a crime?

  • Alan

    WHWC 88.3 in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, gets replays in the evening.  Believe me, I wanted to jump on this one.  I think there is little to no doubt this killing was racially motivated, and at the very least should be considered manslaughter.  But, I think the program missed an important collateral point.  As a decorated Vietnam War veteran, I was struck by what I heard of Zimmerman on the 911 call(s).  Having seen what panic leads humans to do, I am convinced Zimmerman was not qualified to bear arms in ANY situation that might lead to confrontation.  He definitely sounded, to use a term from Nam, an “FNG.”  (“NG” stands for “new guy;” you can figure out the rest.)  Stir that collateral point into the racist stew, and it is easy to see that tragedy was nearly inevitable.  With that said, let me add that I am an owner of firearms and a supporter of a rationale interpretation of the Second Amendment as it pertains to individual citizen rights.  BUT, the problem we have in our country is an overpopulation of BOYS like Zimmerman who do not have the strength of character to join the military in time of war but do like to pretend they are MEN by packing a firearm.  They are NOT men, and their juvenile pretense is trouble looking for a place to happen.  Unfortunately, that place has been Orlando this time around.  The loser was a boy, an innocent boy who died at the hand of a coward.

    • ANon

      Sounds like you’re describing typical Mexican machismo to me. You racist.

  • Still Here

    I think we’ve concluded that this situation was not racially motivated but that there are a ton of people in America with a big chip on their shoulder and a ready excuse for their failures.

    • ElfmanNW
      • ElfmanNW

         Nee more?  How about this.  F_ing coons.  Nothing racial about that.

        http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/original-zimmerman-controversial-comment-explicit/vGbyc/

        • Anon

          Let’s let you live in a neighborhood where you can’t water your lawn because crack heads steal your sprinkler and see what colorful language you use. That’s what gets me about all these supposed diversity advocates they are just spouting crap that they heard in sundayschool like brain worshipping sessions. Talk to ANY white who lives in a ‘diverse’ neighborhood and you’ll hear nothing about any supposed ‘benefits’ of diversity. Google the story about the white kid who had gasoline thrown on him and was set on fire by two blacks where is the national outrage? There is none because crap like that happens MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY

          • 2trudells

            I live in a small suburban town about eight miles south of Boston. The racial makeup is approximately 45% African American, 4o% white, 13% asian, and 2% Hispanic. For decades it has been the most racially diverse town in the part of the state known as the South Shore. I grew up here and moved back when I bought a house at the age of thirty eight. There has NEVER been any racial tension in this town. Not now. Not fifty years ago. It is a working class town. As such, the crime rate has always been slighly higher than that of more affluent towns. Just as the crime rate has historically been in low income enclaves such as Italian ghettoes, Jewish gettoes, Irish gettoes, Polish gettoes, Hispanic barrios, etc., etc.,etc. Maybe you should take a look at the historical crime rates of lilly white neighborhoods in Boston like Southie, or Charlestown, or the North End. What a bunch of terrible honkies. And if you’re stupid enough to weep about black on white crime without the balls to acknowledge the hateful treatment black people have endured at the hands of us fine white people, then you must be an asshole as well as stupid. 

          • anon

            wow i wish you had bothered to name the town so i could look up the undoubtedly multiple instances of black on white crime there that you are undoubtedly oblivious to. perhaps you don’t experience any racial tension because YOU are black and white on black racism is so rare. what an obsurd claim to make, “never, in the history of this town has there ever been any racial tension, anywhere. really are you god or something? how many hairs are on my head? idiot no one can know such a thing because you can only be in one place at a time, your statment is a logical fallacy. i also reject your claim that crime is ‘just a little higher’ than affluent towns. any study done anytime anywhere in the history of the planet has always shown that where ever black people go they have the  highest incidience of criminality poverty etc etc. i have never seen a study indicate otherwise. regarding the crime rate in ‘lily white’ ( a term only a black person would use in such a derogitory way) areas of the country i would be willing to lay money that most would choose to live there than anyplace occupied by majority black population including blacks themselves, and if you think that’s not true then why do they move to white neighborhoods as soon as they win the lotto or get a bongoball contract? it doesn’t make me stupid, or a racist, to use my intellect to make wise decisions and the idea that i’m an asshole for using my eyes and ears to witness crime occuring in front of my face is a black symptom, they call it ‘acting white’ whenever a black does well in school and even promote a pressure on other blacks not to snitch to police when a crime is witnessed. as far as our ‘horrible’ treatment of blacks i think we treat them far better than they deserve and far better than they treat themselves for evidence of this just observe the DR of the Congo known as the rape capitol of the world. or pick up a newspaper there are multiple stories about how the number one cause of death of black females of child bearing age is black males who MURDER THEM. the number one cause of black males of the same age period is OTHER BLACK MALES WHO ARE MURDERING THEM. the things that you sling from your monkey cage during your rant against me personally just illustrate your lack of knowledge on the subject.

          • feettothefire

            So many words. So much bullshit. And how did I know you wouldn’t bother addressing the high crime rate of poor white areas? Tsk, tsk. And thank you so much for setting me straight on the true nature of the town I’ve spent more than half my life living in. How could I have missed all those hoardes of rampaging negroes, raping our women and stealing our sprinklers?

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            200.years.ago.they.got.us.good.more.whites.lynched.then.all.the.slaves.in.1.year.

          • feettothefire

            Before gentrification of many neighborhoods in Boston took place, there were areas of the city where white on black crime was as bad as any black on white crime you care to cite. If a black man had the nerve to even WALK in South Boston, let alone try to live there, he’d more likely be beaten to a pulp than enjoy his walk. Why? Because he was a “nigger.” The same was true of Charlestown, the North End, East Boston, and parts of Dorchester. The same kind of situation has existed in cities and towns across the nation for as long as there have been cities and towns. You’re inability to be as outraged by this gives everyone here a crystal clear picture of your moronic agenda.

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            if.you.are.white.now.you.cant.live.safely.or.take.a.walk.without.getting.murdered

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            my.white.kids.went.to.play.with.africians.was.kicked.and.chased.with.hammeres.while.they.were.riding.there.dikes..key.pad.droken.sorry

    • Anonymous

       If Tray Martin had succeeded in fending off his killer, and Zimmerman had been killed in self-defense, Martin would be in prison right now and much of America would consider him nothing more than a punk-ass “nigger” who killed the poor neighborhood watch volunteer.

      • Still Here

        I doubt it; it wouldn’t have been newsworthy.  The Hispanic equivalent of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would not have tried to make some PR whirlwind out of this in order to get some tv time for themselves.  Why?  Because it happens all the time.  

    • Vtcheflw

      The guy has a history of calling the cops when he sees a black man.  Do you really not think this is about race?

      • Still Here

        The police reports released yesterday show that the overwhelming race of the people engaged in suspicious behavior he called on was white.  The connection of all the people was that they were not residents of the gated community; as was the case here.

        • Heather

           Could you site your source material regarding the released police reports that show most of Zimmerman’s calls concerned suspicious behavior engaged in by white as opposed to black people? I cannot locate any information about released reports other than his last 6 calls, (4 of which concerned black persons behaving suspiciously).

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            the.africian.doesnt.know.we.have.police.report.it.wasnt.whites.it.was.africians.whole.stoled.in.that.neighdoohood

      • anon

        oh and i guess the fbi has an issue with race every year when they publish their annual crime statistics just because they show the astounding level of criminality of young blacks ( by the way you are right even the fbi has a race complex because every year they lump mexicans in with the whites so that you can’t see how low the crime rate is among whites )

  • Modavations

    Until presented in court everything is hearsay.I’m not arguing innocence or guilt. I argue that in America all men are presumed innocent until proven guilty.Not guilty in the world of conjecture,guilty in a court of law.Guilty or innocent as determined by a jury of peers.For a forum of supposed sophisticates,you make me puke.

    • Vtcheflw

      All I see in here are people who, like me, are sickened by this event.  Are you not sickened and angered?  The ADMITTED killer walks free.  No one is saying he’s guilty throw him in jail, we are saying ARREST him.  Let the courts do there job, it not up to the police to assume innocence or self-defense and not make an arrest.  You don’t find that just F*ED?  

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        so.the.mezician/litino.should.of.gotten.killed.not.the.africian.that.was.on.top.of.him.punching.him.slamming.his.head.into.concreat?

    • Jpopvicious

      then by your law, Trayvon was innocent until proven guilty as well, but its too late for him as Zimmerman already made him guilty and killed him, so who gave zimmerman the right to kill an innocent person?

    • Anon

      Actually arresting Zimmerman and forcing him to make bail would be a presumption of guilt, let me point out that the legal professionals on the scene rightly made the decision that there wasnt even enough evidence of wrong doing to arrest Zimmerman at the time

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        OJ.WAS.innocent.too!

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  • Cime

    Could the shooter possibly have been trying to start a race war??

    • Anon

      Um I presume you mean Mexicans vs blacks? Sounds fine to me lets get Oliver north to deliver some ammo so they can fight it out.

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      could.the.africian.have.started.the.race.war.with.litino/mezician..they.do.everyday?

  • Gregg

    This incident does not illustrate the evil of guns or the “Stand your ground” law in Florida. It says nothing about the South. It means nothing about the plight of young blacks. It is NOT an indication of a racist America. It is none of the things this show intends to paint it as. It is the senseless murder of a teenager. That’s it.

    • Still Here

      Please, it’s a tragedy that we can use for political purposes; don’t get in the way.  Who knows when we’ll have the opportunity again?

    • Anonymous

      It does have a lot to do with the “Stand your ground” law.
      The police in Sanford even said as much. Zimmeman would have been arrested on the spot had this law not been enacted. I’ve been doing a little reading up on the law and it appears that if he was the instigator in this crime, the law will not help him in his defense.
      The bottom line is the man has to be arrested and charged and the law will have to sort it out.

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      thousands.of.teenageres.are.murdered.from.africians.each.year!

  • Edith

    This is such a tragic story.  I can’t imagine the pain and the rage this family must feel.  As a parent, my heart aches for them.  

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      how.adout.when.and.africian.murderes.no.pain.?.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IBAPVTH222H2GW3LG7RVD46JHY L Dudani

    I had to reply to Gregg…This has everything to do with racism, guns laws and the insane “Stand your ground Law”.  Young Trayvon Martin would never have been perceived as ” suspicious” if pervasive , paranoid and racist views regarding young black men had not been operating in Zimmerman’s mindset!  This  racist attitude is operating in the minds of many..adding lax gun laws and giving trigger happy people like Zimmerman a legal excuse to shoot whomever they percieive as “suspicious” is adding fuel to an already dangerous elevated level of fear that is completely unfounded.
    There are reasons for the outrage and marches! Is anyone forgetting  why  the London riots of last year started? A society that builds gated communities in the first place has serious issues around inclusion and exclusion.  There’s  a larger picture operating here but still they refuse to see . Buy a bigger gun, build a better wall, enact idiotic laws….when will Americans come to thier senses?

    • Gregg

      It may be shown Zimmerman was a racist, I don’t know. I do not accept the “What else could it be?” rationale. It could be lots of things. Racism exists, I am saying intent doesn’t matter. What matters is an innocent child was the victim of a senseless murder. It’s no more or less tragic than the senseless murder of anyone of any race, even rich white boys. It all sucks. To suggest otherwise shows prejudice.

      To tell young blacks, as some have suggested, not to trust whites because they harbor murderous hatred is just as racist as whites thinking the same of blacks. It’s not the answer.

      • Vtcheflw

        Your right, it is all tragic.  Still to pretend race has nothing to do with it is insanely naive.  The killing can be heard saying “f***ing coons” in the phone call with 911 dispatch.  What else could it be is not the rationale here.

        I have to say though, it is more tragic that there is a much blatant racism as there is and, when it results in a poor kid death, someone like you says not to call it a race issue.

        • Gregg

          To Trayvon Martin it made no difference what names he was called. Would it somehow have been better if Zimmerman said “I love you” before killing him? No.

          • Vtcheflw

            that’s not the point at all.  The names use by Zimmerman are telling of the man’s character.  

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            africians.murder.every.race.every.day.including.your.deases.HIV/AIDS.who.are.you.killing.tonight?..i.live.in.LA..if.you.want.to.learn.adout.africian.history..heres.what.you.do..Climd.up.to.top.of.dulding.look.doown.you.will.see.them.steal.kick..and.murder.mezicians/litinoes/portorickens/asians..and.there.favorete.meat.is.dirty.white.crackeres..try.it.sometime..HAVENHURST…

        • Anon

          It makes me sick to hear this drivel from people who have never been forced to live in a black nieghborhood. Let’s see what colorful language you come up with when you can’t even water your lawn because your sprinkler gets stolen in broad daylight. If you want diversity then move YOURSELF to a ‘diverse’ nieghborhood we can take odds on how many times your daughters are raped and your sons doused with gasoline. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html

          • 2trudells

            There are areas in cities and towns across this country where a black man takes great risk to walk in. Ain’t it cute, the way you pretend it’s only a “black thing?” Why, I’ll bet you think lynchings and slavery are simply myths, perpetrated by all us ignorant “nigger lovers.”

          • Anon

            Actually yes they are largely a myth if you examine the historical record. Of all lynchings recorded in the south about two out of three were white people who were being punished for their percieved crimes. Further more lynching was very rare, reserved mostly for those thought to be rapists. Further more there are more whites killed by blacks each year in this country alone than there were blacks lynched during the entire period of southern slavery. Let me put that in perspective for you the whole we are oppressed and therefore you must constantly transfer wealth to us to assuage your white liberal guilt movement is built on a supposed period of oppression that resulted in fewer actual deaths than are killed on a yearly basis by murderous black thieves rapists and thrill killers.

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            white.history.month.start.white.colleges.start.white.sports.dars..get.every.one.they.murdered.to.come.every.color.invite.africians.to.on.white.history.day..we.can.have.millions.holding.candels.and.pictures.the.deat..rodded.there.life.savings.from/slavery..infected.and.murrdered.get.own.sports.teem.go.to.(WHITE.HISTORY.DAY)

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            you.murdered.every.race.more.than.the.holocost..Your.the.lyncheres..your.the.gang.rapperes..you.sell.children.into.sez.slavery.and.have.every.working.americian.as.your.slave.when.you.steal..200.years..in.americia..slavery.happened.is.that.all.you.can.talk.adout..youve.gotten.us.dack.trillions.of.times.over.i.had..NO.SLAVES.WHAT.PART.OF.THAT.AFRICIAN.DO.YOU.NOT.UNDERSTAND..I.HAD.NO.SLAVES..I.WASNT.ALIVE200.YEARS.AGO..get.off.that..racist.shit..your.the.numder1………murder/lincher.of.every.race..hey…get.rid.of.your.slaves..you.pimp!

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            hey.they.stoled.my.plants..lighter.fluid……….and.took.the.ladder.out.of.ground.pool…..my.dack.windows.are.out..lets.trade.houses..when.you.continue.to.cover.your.eyes…to.what.africians.do.youll.wake.up.to.late..you.might.de.the.one.they.LYNCH!

        • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

          fact.zimmermin.tutored.africians.have.africian.friends.when.a.african.dies.its.racist.if.anyone.else.dies.no.one.cares..your.statement.is.the.every.second.RACE.CARD.IT.DOESNT.WORK.ITS.PLAYED.OUT…KEEP.GUNS.ON.YOU.EVEN.AT.YOUR.HOME.MAKE.SURE.KIDS.DONT.GET.IF.YOUR.IN.THE.CAR.TAKE.IT.WITH.YOU.YOU.MIGHT.GET.CAR.JACKED..MILLIONS.OF.PEOPLE.HAVE.GOTTED.CAR.JACKED..this.is….what.happened.to.two.white.people.they.car.jacked.them.white.girl.degged.to.get.free.africian.had.her.suck.his.you.know.what..they.ganged.raped.the.guy.cut.him.to.peaces.then.came.dack.to.the.house.and.smothered.the,.girl..(DEATH.TO.WHITE.PEOPLE)..

      • Anon

        Trayvon Martin was 3 weeks from 18 and using his 5 day suspension from school ( a punishment for a VERY serious infraction ) to case houses at a gated community down the street from his absentee father’s home in a section 8 project. Hardly an innocent child. You describe him as a child because in you fail to recognize that the media REFUSE to show recent pictures and are posting a five year old photo of him everywhere. Trying to garner the trust of young blacks is not the answer arming yourself with facts (about crime statistics) and using your common sense to keep yourself out of situations where you’re a victim of black criminality is what is important.

    • Anon

      According to ‘rosita’ facts are racist. If you want to know why high IQ people move away from blacks and send their children to schools with few black students you have only to look at the FBI crime statistics published every year. Or is it easiest to point out differences in race? Please we all know Asians are good at math and blacks are good at bongo ball, why can’t you admit that blacks on average and despite MORE money spent on education (see bankrupted ISD’s in majority black counties like in Atlanta Ga) have a lower IQ and a higher propensity for crime/aggression/impulse controll than any other race. Look white people have their problems too for example we are too altruistic and want to solve everyone’s problems even when anyone paying attention would know by now that there is just no hope for some people they lack the IQ to climb out of their cultural $//1T hole

      • Nani5391

        You really are a rascist pig. I feel sorry for you and your family…if they haven’t disowned you already.

      • rosita dee

        Anonymous..whos IQ is lacking..check your spelling!  what a joke …your endless racist tirades!

    • Anon

      Please since when do black people ever miss a chance to loot and burn even their own neighborhoods. The London riots started because Shawty wanted a new pair of shoes. The Arab spring show us a stark contrast those people thirsting for change marched on city hall and you heard vertually nothing about property loss.

    • Wafflestomper

      Wrong…

      The London Riots were triggered by the Elites who used the City of London Bankers to create the conditions which led to the riots.  

      As is always the case, the lower classes are always manipulated by the top of the pyramid, we are pitted against one another in a divide and conquer stratagem.  What we don’t need are trendies trying to take away everyone’s ‘Natural Right’ to self-defense.  

      This again is a strategy of the Elites, to brainwash progressives into thinking that self defense and guns are bad and that we should all happily give up our Constitutional 2nd Amendment rights.  Strip away those rights and we can’t protect ourselves, not only against thugs, but against a criminal foreign banker controlled Government.  

      Hitler was for strict gun laws.  How do you think he was able to come to power?

      Read my article posted above on all the cases where blacks brutally beat, often to death innocent white people.  Do you want us all to be victims like them.

      NOT ME SISTER!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/34DKVTBCBPSJTH7PEUAYW5CH74 Paul

    Please take this guy to jail and see how long he lasts.  Don’t you think all those buffed guys in jail have heard about this story? 

    • Anon

      Please take this libtard ‘Paul’ to any minority neighborhood in any major city in America he has obviously had zero experience dealing personally with the consequences of black proximity. We will see how long he lasts before becomming the victim of a game of knockout kings or a flash mob of so called ‘youths’

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      odama.voter..africians.will.really.enjoy.you.lay.down.and.let.them.deat.the.holly.crap.out.of.you.and.then.youll.wake.up!

  • Lawrenceraindrop

    It is shame that this kid had so suffer such a fate. White people will not get away with this. We tired of being your cattle. We will not go quiet in night. His murder will be brought to justice.

    • Billy_eckaboom

      zimmerman is not white get pissed of at hispanics

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        parents.of.this.person.got.dlack.pantheres..we.are.all.white..compared.to.africians..we.are.all.DEAD!

    • Anon

      Hey if you’re our cattle why do we get nothing but fertilizer when do the filets come? Seems to me like if you don’t like the deal you’ve got here you can choose any one of the highly advanced and prosperous all black countries to live in you know the ones that exist all over the world, wait I can’t think of even ONE such place why do you think that might be?

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        Africians.murdered.98.thousand.people.last.year.in.americia.most.were.whites.then.other.minorities.8.thousand…….rapes.from.africians..203.gang.rapperes.africian.history

    • Anon

      Um if you’re our cattle why do we only get fertilizer from you? When do the filets arrive?

    • Anon

      If you don’t like the deal you’ve got here why don’t you move to one of the many highly prosperous and Technically advanced all black countries where the quality of life is so high, I suggest the DR of the Congo, also known as the rape Capitol of the world.

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        averege.africian.girl.is.gang.raped.28.times.a.month.from.AFRICIANS….africian.history24/7

    • Wafflestomper

      Zimmerman is NOT WHITE…

      YOU are another ignorant racist, just what you claim to be against.  You a useful idiot, a pawn.

      Be careful what you and Obama wish for, a Race War, really?  Many will die on both sides, moron.

      And that is just what the Elites want.  

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        AFRICIAN.HISTORY24/7=racist….rodney.king=scin.color……not.charactor.or.content..hope.that.statue..is.picked.up.from.a.tornado..yes.you.are.ALL.RACIST.when..you.voted……for.odama..husaine..that.sold.guns.to.the.drug.cartel.that.was.used.to.murder.300.mezicians/litinoes..still.1000..guns..unaccounted.for.=.more.murderes..no.africians.arent.racist.or.CNN!..us.whites.are.dead(DEATH.TO.WHITES)

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      odama.husaine.voter..white.people.will.pay..he.wasnt.white.what.part.do.you.not.get.you.racist.rat..he.was..NOT.WHITE..yes.africian..a.proven.fact..there.was.less.whites.that.had.slaves.most.of.them.were.africian.litino.mezician.egept.iran..yes..youll.make.sure.inicent.white.people.will.keep.suffering.keep.getting.LYNCHED!…………ZIMDERMIN.WAS/LITINO..MEZICIAN…whites.will.keep.dying.for.something.we.wernt.alive.for.and.get.dlamed.for.stuff.we.didnt.do.and.yes.white.people.wont.get.away.from.africian..GENICIDE…

  • Anonymous

    From the NY Times, an article about neighborhood watches and the rules and guideline that govern them. Mr.Zimmerman broke all of them.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us/trayvon-martin-death-spotlights-neighborhood-watch-groups.html?pagewanted=1

    A wide range of neighborhood watch organizations exist across the
    country. Some have patrols, while others like Sanford’s do not. But the
    National Sheriffs’ Association, which sponsors the program nationwide,
    is absolutely clear on one point: guns have no place in a watch group. A
    manual distributed by the
    association repeatedly underscores the point:
    “Patrol members do not carry weapons.”

    The manual warns that watch members should “not attempt to apprehend a
    person committing a crime or to investigate a suspicious activity.” It
    should be emphasized to members of patrols, the materials state, that
    “they do not possess police power and they shall not carry weapons.” The
    consequences of not following the guidelines are severe, the manual
    states: “Each member is liable as an individual for civil and criminal
    charges should he exceed his authority.”

     

    • Tootall

      Additionally…. “According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch Program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group—another fact the police were not aware of at the time of the incident.”

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        anyone.can.watch.another.person..not.against.the.law!

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      he.droke.no.laws.its.leagal.to.look.to.walk..When.cops.told.him.to.stand.down.he.did…You.are.proddldly.are.one.of.those.occupy.wall.street.guys.that.crapped.on.cop.cars.raped.woman..united.on.street.and.smoked.pot..an.odama.voter…when.youve.deen.rodded..deated.half.to.death.or.one.of.your.family.memderes.are.murdered.from.an.africian..you.would.watch..them.comming.on.your.street..it.will.happen..please.stay.safe..sorry.key.pad.is.droken..im.white.no.work.for.me.where.I.live.

  • Michael D

    The NRA should be charged as an accessory to murder for this killing for their reckless disregard for human life. The same with politicians who vote for such laws as “stand your ground” (the same politicians who hypocritically vote as right-to-lifers in abortion cases). As long as politicians can be bought by such pro-killing organizations as the NRA there will be no end to such atrocities. When will this country grow up from its cowboy mentality?

    • Anonomous

      When will you and ‘people’ like you ever grow out of your cultural immaturity. The person who thinks that the government is best able to take care of them must have had some pretty terrible parents. Or maybe it’s that your daddy left home and never tought you anything so valuable as personal responsibility? Is that why you look to obongo to solve all your problems? If you want a glimpse into the future of what BRA looks like just look at Zimbabwe. It’s already half occurred in the city of Detroit once called the arsenal of democracy.

    • Wafflestomper

      Oh brother.

      Another trendy liberal mush head who wants everyone to be like him because he is so smart.  

      I’ll tell you what, you should go live in Mexico where there is no 2nd Amendment you little traitor…  see how that works out for you.

      It’s punks like you that are just so happy to see the Constitution torn to shreds…  I hope you will like the Police State-Martial Law that is coming, you won’t have any rights- see how you like it!

      AHHH it’s so trendy!

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        odama.wants.to.get.rid.of.our.guns..MARTIAL.LAW)go.to…..FEMMA.DEATH.CAMPS).DEATH.TO.WHITE.PEOPLE)..go.to….ANTICHRIST..its.odama…NEW.WORL.ORDER).RIOT2013….USA)..they.will.come.in.to.get.there.free.share.200.africians.get.together.and.flash.mod.a.stor..theyll.come.into.your.house.and.kill.your.parents.to..this.week.africian.ate.white.guys.face.off..4.lovely.africians.came.into.litino.mezician.home.gang.raped.the.mother.shot.father.put.the.little…..littino.mezician.doy…gagged.him.put.him.face.down.in.doiling.water..if.you.dont.have.a.gun..africians.will.lynch.you…the.4.were.laufing…DEATH.TO.WHITE.PEOPLE)..see.that

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      and.when.an.africian.is.poundind.your.head.in.im.sure.you.would.just.want.to.die..itsthere.if.a.white.guy.was.on.top.of.you.you……….would.proctect.yourself…this.law.needs.to.stay!..If.your.child.was.getting.attacked.from.an.africian..do.they.have.a.right.to.live?

  • AL. M.

    The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
    The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
    Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
    Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin’s father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.Continue reading on Examiner.com Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin – Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin#ixzz1pzGuUrkB

    • Anonymous

      So Trayvon stood his ground and protected himself from someone stalking him.  Zimmerman then stood his ground and killed Trayvon, having place Trayvon in fear for his life in the first place.  Whacky.

      • ANonomous

        Trayvon stood his ground for several minutes while Zimmerman called the police and observed and described him acting suspiciously looking into people’s windows and over their fences. Strange behavior for someone who was supposedly trying to get back to watching a basketball game. His father originally claims the voice was not his son’s but then says nothing after the media firestorm began as the baby momma claims it was her son’s voice. The media absolutely REFUSES to show a recent picture of mr Martin and shows only one unflattering photo of Zimmerman. Ask yourself who is served and what motivation do these people have to alter the narrative come on people open your eyes

        • tootall

          I’ve read the transcripts of THE 911 call.  There is absolutely no discussion of a perp “looking into people’s windows and over their fences.” as you put it.  Talk about contrived….how about leading with some insight rather than incite.

          • Tmajor7

            …and the voice does sound more like that of the feminine latino Zimmerman getting pounded!

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            dlame.everything.on.the.whites..yea.and.call.dlack.pantheres.and.RISE.YOUR.ODAMA.ANTICHRISTDEAMONDS.to.murder89..WHITE.TEEN.AGERES..YEA!..nice.parents..hope.they.are.charged.with.hate.crime.murder.and.anything.else.cops.can.nail.these.odama.voters.for.SKIN…NOT.CONTENT.OF.A.MAN.NOT.TRUTH.NOT.JUSTICE.NOTCHARACTER..JUST.SLAM.THOSE.DIRTY.WHIE.CRACKERS..dont.hire.them..dont…give.them.free.college..just.keep.on.making.us.pay.and.pay..AFRICIANS..MURDERED.MY.PARENTS……….WHEN.YOU.SEE.AN.AFRICIAN.SOME.OF.US.JUST.WATCH.THEM.NOT.RACIST.WE.KNOW.YOUR.GONNA.STEAL.FROM.US..kill.every.race..celedrate.africian.history..WOW!

          • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

            in.testomony.of.another.witness

        • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

          answer..get.that.dirty.white.cracker.murder.him……LYNCH.HIM..LYNCH.ALL.OF.THEM.THEY.ALL…………DESERVE.TO.DIE.FOR.WHAT.HAPPENED.200.YEARS.AGO..MAKE.WHITES.LOOK.DAD.TREET.THEM.LIKE.DIRT.DONT.HIRE.WHITE.NO.COLLEGE.FOR.WHITES..NO.SPOTS.TEAMS.SPORTS.SHOES.DRINKS.FOR.WHITE.LETS.GET.GENICIDE.OF.ALL.WHITES.for………200.years.every.race.has.deen.murdered.from.africians..we.are.your.holocost!

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        if.the.hoodie.kkk.walked.down.your.street.would.you.watch.him..this.place.was.rodded..many.times.its.called.neighdood.watch..we.need.this..for.when.odama.voteres.want.more.free.stuff..they.already.have.the.working.people.for.slaves.free.food/housind/wick..and.their.sckin.color.is.dlack..so.they.get.free.college.and.whites.dont..we.need..WHITE..history.month.all.sports.teams.shoes.drinks..everything.that.africian.history.month.stands.for..we.will.include.every.race.since.litinoes.cudens.mezicians.asians.are.all.white..africians.ses.so..they.will.have.WHITE.HISTORY.MONTH.WITH.US.the.rest.of.MINORTIES.we.will.hold.pictures.of.people.africians.murdered.go.to(WHITE.HISTORY.MONTH)

    • Anonymous

      So your source for this information is tea party activist from South Carolina and not a journalist.  Who wrote a lousy piece of journalism filled with misinformation and no sources or verification of what happened. It’s all hearsay and assumptions. He even mentions shootings in Chicago as if they have any baring on this event. He trys to smear Trayvon Martin by making a lot out of his school suspension which has no baring at all on this event.
      He then fills this sorry piece of an article with more assumptions that Trayvon Martin had done something really serious and that resulted in his suspension. More conjecture that is crudely being used to smear Martin’ character. After I read this article, I only had one word for the author, what kind of person is so compelled to write such trash, in my estimation he’s nothing more than a right wing zealot who sees this as an opportunity to add fuel to the fire. A real class act.
        
      First off even if a fight did happen as state in the Examiner that still did not give Zimmerman the right to shot Martin. Zimmerman should not have followed or confronted Martin. If had followed the protocol of neighborhood watches none of this would have happened.   

      • Wafflestomper

        blah blah blah

        Typical liberal mush head elitist ranting.  

        Read my post above you little trendy.  

        I can tell you’re an Obamaniod, you don’t call his statement throwing fuel on the fire now do you hmmm?

        Take a look at the back of Zimmermans head.
        If anyone jumped on me and beat my head I guarantee you I will and have the ‘Natural Right’ to kill my attacker.  But, like all liberals you want everyone to be a little chicken neck like you and not defend them selves…  Wake up to reality, read the stories above of how many blacks senselessly beat and murder innocent white people continually.  Just because you want to be like one of the poor victims in the article above, don’t expect everyone to be like you.

        And another thing, the right-left paradigm is a false construct of the banker controlled military industrial complex, so using your obvious ‘trendy liberal’ bias shows your ignorance.

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        the.left.media.likeCNN.never.lies..no..and.all.the.suppressed.adused.africians…never.got.to.vote.for.4.more.years.for.odama…mmmmmm.48..million.voted.(THEY.WERE….so….SUPPRESED.and.mistreated.mmmm…….GO.TO.ANTICHRIST.odama.its.him…jesus.said.odamas.name.in.hedrew..and.all.voteres.didnt.delieve.in.content……..JUST.COLOR.OF.ODAMAS.SKIN.COLOR…you.proved.you.were,.racist..you.proved.you.were.racist..get.rid.of.africian…..history.month..and.martian..king..it.is.adout.SCIN.NOT……CONTENT..adortions/pot/gays/high.food/gas/89.million.lost..there.homes..hey.you.could.de.nezt..4.more.years……..and.the.kkk.isnt.racist..and.the.pantheres.isnt.racist.and…CNN.isnt.racist..and.in.60.counties.all.africians.voting.for…odama.relection.wasnt..racist..and.all.whites..noticing.this..are.all.just..racist..and.stupied..YES.ALL.WHITES..ALL.MEZICIANS/LITINOES..WERE.ALL.STUPIED..AND.RACIST..and…telling.the.truth..is.racist..you.should.call.pantheres.and….kkk…yes.the.parents..can.put.a.hit.on.me.to.like.they.are.zemmermin…yes..he.defended.hiself!..and..they.call.pantheres..and.whites.are.getting.LYNCHED..and.kicked.rodded..deated..half.to.death..madee.you.can.put.a.LYNCHING.africian.pantheres..out.on.me.cause..my.skin.is.a.little..white..no..AFRICIANS.DONT.LIE.OR.CNN.they…ssssshhhhhhh!

  • Lusitan

    Curious that neither Mr. Ashbrook nor any of the guests mentioned the fact that Zimmerman is a Latino minority himself.  I guess it doesn’t fit in with the Al Sharpton narrative that is being pushed.  You could almost hear Mr. Ashbrook forcing himself not to say “shot by a white man …” each time he repeated the story.

    It’s obvious that many in the media, sadly including Mr. Ashbrook, are so intent on reelecting Obama that they will not mention Zimmerman’s own minority status, presumably for fear of creating any rift between Latinos and blacks during this election season.

    Unfortunately, that slavish devoting to reelecting Obama impedes thorough discussion of this serious case.  Zimmerman is someone who looks very much like he could have experienced racism and/or discrimination himself; and ignoring his minority status ignores the fact that Zimmerman likely was someone who could empathize with being judged by appearance alone.  That to me seems to be an important fact.

    I have no idea what happened, but neither does anyone else who wasn’t there.  I just hope that we learn all of the facts, so that justice can be served.

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      and.98.white.teens.got.killed..we.got.to.pay..and..pay..and..pay……..we.deen.paying.for.something.we.wernt.alive.to.do..we.had.NOT.ONE.SLAVE..YOU.DO.YOU.USE.EVERY.RACE.AS.YOUR.SLAVES.YOU.CREEP.INTO.HOMES/CARJACK..AND.GET.200.AFRICIANS.TO.RAID.STORES…WOW..YOU.SELL.CHILDREN.INTO.SEZ.SLAVERY..HEY.IN.AFRICIA..THEY.ARE.MURDING.WHITE.FARMERES(KILL.WHITE.PEOPLE)…AND.YOU.HAVE.MILLIONS.OF.SLAVES..NOW.TODAY.IN.REAL…….TIME.THIS.SECOND..THEY.ARE..DEATING.A.SLAVE!..AND.WE.KEEP.PAYING….KEEP.PAYING..KEEP.PAYING..AND.YOU.AFRICIANS..KEEPS.SELLING.EVERY.RACE..OH.HOW.RICH..THOSE.AFRICIAN.PIMPS.ARE…REAL.AFRICIAN.HISTORY….JOIN.US.IN.CELEDRATING.THE…HOLOCOST.OF.EVERY.RACE.AND.THE.SEZ.SLAVERY.OF.EVERY.RACE…sssssssshhhhhh!…YOUR.THE.SLAVE.OWNERS!.and.they.will.kill.that.mezician/litino.cause..he.defended.his.self..those.parents..must.de.happy.that.they.called.those.pantheres..as.more.whites.pay.and..pay…and..pay..for.something..w.didnt.do…ssssssssshhhhhh

  • Wwetz

    why not put a recent picture of the kid in the papers????

    • Karen Frances

      Because in recent pictures Martin has “grills” and looks like a thug.  So they show pictures of the “sweet young boy.”

      • Wendyquartz

         We need to find that picture and post it everywhere. The parents sure know how to use the media, and the media lets them. We need to know all the truth. This picture is not the 17 year old that was shot. Lets see the most recent picture of him!

        • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

          the.left.media.wont.tell.us.the.truth…when.they.voted.for.odama..a.man.who.sold.guns.to.the.drug.cartel.that.was.used.to.murder.300.mezicians..mostally.teens.and.1.thousands.guns.are.stiil.out.there..no.africians.wouldnt.do.that!..odama.and.Erricholder.wouldnt.do.that..or.arm..the.terrest..or.send..money.to.the.muslium..drothhood..no.africians..or.odama..husaine..wouldnt.ever.lie.to.you..go.to..ANTICHRIST)jesus.said.odamas.name.in.hedrew…MARTIAL.LAW.)..FEMMA.DEATH.CAMPS)..NEW.WORLD.ORDER…DEATH.TO.WITE.PEOPLE..seeANTICHRIST…youll.love.it..AFRICIANS..AND.CNN.NEVER.LIES…..watch.Shann.Hannity.or.Oriley.if.you.want.to.see.truth.on.anything!..Africians.never.lie..its.all.of.the.other.races.that.are.lieres…and.the.millions.of.dead.people.all.deserved.to.die..yes.africians..murdering.all.of.us..theyve.deen.murding.us..and.now..im.racist..cause..im.telling.the.truth!..all.of.us…are.racist..not.AFRICIANS..there.gods.now.and.their..jesus.christ..gets.4.more.years.to.get.us.20.trillion.more.in.dept..well.get.to.smoke.pot..get.arrested.from.military.NO.TRIAL..NDAA.LAW..and.if.you.adord.your.child.and.its.not.dead..we.can.now..leave.it.on.the.tadle.to.starve.or.JUST.DIE..GOODIE……we.can.open..more.pot.stoes..and.adortion.mills…..its.not.adout.jesus.christ.or.god..NO.celedrate.africian.history.day.24/7..yes..let.them..murder.every.race..sssshhhh….dont.put.it.on.the.news.only.if.its.a.white.person!..dont.show.how.many.mezicians.are.murdered.from.africians.or.litinoes.cudens….no.ssssshhhh……thats.racist.to.tell.the.truth…africians..are.murding.every.race.off..sssssshhhh!………WHOS…NEZT!!….SSSShhhhhh!….RIP…you.murdered..my.parents…africians..murdered.my.parents.as.you.went.inside.to.steal..free.stuff!..sssssshhh!…..it.was.on.the.news.once!..if.it.was.white.guys..it.hit.every.paper.every.news..WOW!.ssssshhhh!

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      HE.WAS.NOT.A..KID..HE.WAS.A.GROWN.MAN!

  • Tmajor7

    In lieu of a report that NPR broadcasted today: If the witnesses accounts of what transpired with the young black Martin pounding on the older (obviously feminine) latino Zimmerman is true then wouldn’t that be self-defence homocide?

    I acknowledge that the majority of our law enforcement agencies, as well as our judicial systems, are lazy. incompetent, racist, and as criminal as low life drug dealing, rapist, drug dealers. But this is why the million or so people calling for everyones head for the teen’s murder should wait for the investigation to be completed by the local authorities before jumping to conclusions!I also understand all of these citizens, which include a lot of ignorant college students, are incapable of doing something that simple!

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      JUST.LAY.DOWN.AND.DIE…LET.AFRICIANS..KICK.YOU..STEAL.WHAT.THE.WANT..JUST.LAY.DOWN.AND.DIE!..SELF-DEFENCE!

  • Janettn22

    frankly, if someone approached me at night brandishing a gun, I’d punched the lights out of him, too, [if I could]; and certainly if I was the one so boldly approaching another person with a gun [like Zimmerman] I wouldn’t be the one on the ground begging for my life.

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      FACT.HE.HAS.WITINESS..THE.AFRICIAN.WAS.DEATING.HIS.SCULL.IN..THE.AFRICIAN.CAME.UP.TO.HIM..THE.AFRICIAN.WAS.DEATING.HIM.HE.WAS.ON.TOP.OF.HIM..HE.REACHED.FOR.GUN.IN.POCKET..LUCALLY.THE.MEZICIAN..GOT.A.HOLD.OF.THE.GUN.AND.PROCTED.HIM.SELF..TELL.THE.TRUTH..CAN.YOU.EVER.TELL.THE.TRUTH?……..THE.MEZICIAN…ON.THE.DOTTOM.THAT.WAS.GETTING.THE.CRAP.DEAT.OUT.OF.HIM.WAS.SCREAMING..LUCALLY.HE.SAW.THE.MAN.NOT.KID.ATTACKING.THE.MEZICIAN..NOT.A.WHITE.GUY..PLEASE.STOP.KILLING.WHITE.PEOPLE.OVER.THIS..DONT.KILL.MEZICIANS.OVER.TRHIS..THAT.FAMILY.IS.RESPONSIDLE.FOR.ALL.THE.ASSALTS.AND.DEATHS.THAT.HAS.ACCURED.FROM.THIS.CAUSE.THEY.GOT.THE.PANTHERES.INVOLVED..THEY.SHOULD.GET.CHARGED.FOR.ASSERERY.TO.MURDER!..THEN.THE.FAMILY.ALONG.WITH.PANTHERES.NEEDS.TO.GET.SUED..FOR.CALLING.IN.A.DIRTY.RACIST.DLACK.PANTHERES..THIS.WHOLE.STORY.IS.SAD..STOP.KILLING.PEOPLE..WHY.HASNT.THE.FAMILY.STOPED.THE.KILLING.EZTERMANATION.OF.WHITES..WHY.HAVENT.THEY.SAID.ONE.DAMN.THING.TO.STOP.THE.MASSICURES..CAUSE.THEY.WANT.DIRTY.WHITE.CRACKERES.TO.PAY.FOR.SOMETHING.,THEY.DIDNT.DO..AFRICIAN.HISTORY..TO.PAY.FOR.SOMETHING.YOU.DIDNT.DO.TO.PASY.FOR.SOMETHING.YOU.WERNT.ALIVE.FOR..FOR…SLAVERY…23.MILLION.YEARS.WILL.COME.AND.GO.AND.WHITES.WILL.HAVE.TO.KEEP.ON.GETTING.MURDERED.NO.ONE.SES.ANYTHING.OR.DOES.ANYTHING.ADOUT.THIS..WERE.GETTING.EZTERMATED..(GENCIDE.ON.WHITES..AND.WERE.GONNA.PAY.AND.WERE.GONNA.PAY..AND.OUR.NDORN.CHILDREN.IS.GONNA.PAY.AND.100.YEARS.THER.GONNA.PAY..WE.WERNT.ALIVE.200.YEARS.AGO.FOR.SLAVERY..YOU.HAVE.LYNCHED.OUR.RACE..YOU.WON..YOU.WON…….IF…it.was.a.white.guy.deating.your.drains.in.smashing.your.scullin..punching.you.over.and.over.again..you.have.the.god.given.RIGHT..TO.PROCT.YOUR.SELF..if.you.are.white..our.race.is.in.GENECIDE.right.NOW..we.are.getting.MURDERED.EEVERY.DAY.EVERY.AFRTERNOON.EVERY.NIGHT..GANG.RAPED..DEATEN..LUNCHED..WE.ARE.IN………..G.E.N.I.C.I.D.E…WHITE.GENECIDE.RIGHT.NOW..GET.A.LISENS.TO.CARRY.CONCELED.GUN.PROCTECT.YOYUR.CHILDREN.YOUR.SELF..CAUSE.WERE.GETTING.MURDERED…NO.MORE.KILLING….DONT.USE.WEPON.TO.KILL.ONLY.TO.PROCTECT.YOU..TRY.TO.GET.AWAY.FIRST.ONLY.USE.IT.IF.YOU.KNOW.THEY.ARE.GOING.TO.MURDER.YOU!..GO.TO.(DEATH.TO.WITE.PEOPLE).race.war2013usa…..RIOT2013USA..see.the.facts..go.to.dlack..crimes..see.the.truth..why.is.it.not.getting.reported.or.any.thing.getting.done.adout.this..the.kkk.should.get.charged..as.a.terrest..and.so.should.pantheres..who.was.at.the.voting.polls.for.odama…odama..voteres..WOW..sorry.key.pad.is.droken..and.I.can.spell.taking.care.of.2.dogs.that.were.adused…thankyou.for.you.time..and.PLEASE.STOP.KILLING.WHITES.MEZICIANS.LITINOES.CUDENS.ASIANS.CHINEESE.EVERYONE..TELL.YOUR.WHITE.KIDS.WHAT.IS.HAPPENING.TO..WHITE.PEOPLE.AND.KEEP.THEM.CLOSE…ITS.NOT.RACIST.LOOK.AT.THOSE.SITES.(DEATH.TO.WHITES)..REAL.AFRICIAN.HISTORY.!..murder.of.every…..RACE.including.other.africians..just.sop.killing!.go.to.church!……….WHITE.HISTORY.MONTH.AND.WHITE.HOLOCOST.MONTH…GET.IT.STARTED…every.race.every.person.that.has.deen.lynched.from.africians..should.take.to.the.streets..lets.start.this!..pss..nothing.I.said.was.a.lie..nothing.I.said..was.racist..we.all.know.it!..stop.hiding.it..stop.covering.it.up.as.they.take.our.childrens.lifes..someone.stop.africians.from.murding..every.race!..NO.MORE.COVER-UPS!

  • Anonomous

    Thats down bad for wat happened to that boy I feal sorry for him and its down bad that no one tried to help him to me someone should have helped him.I would have if I was around,but I would have punched that dude with the gun strait in his face,and then kicked him in the stomach.Then I would kicked the gun out his hand and beat him. then I would have ran off while he is on the ground beat up covered in his own blood.But Trayvon stood his ground for a couple of minutes.

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      he.weighded.240.pounds.he.was.not.a.child.he.was.a.grown.man..CNN.and.family.held.up.a.picture,.of.a.him.when.he.was.a.little.child..fact.grown.man..tell.the.truth..then.they.get.pantheres..family.gets.pantheres..then..white.people.are.murrdered.off.of.this..why.would.you.get.the.pantheres…answer..to.start.a.race.war..!..you.are.responsidle..for.allll…there.deaths!

  • Wafflestomper

    Why do you think the media over saturated the news with Treyvon Martin?  

    Why, before anyone knew the facts of the case (including Obama) was there a media and public conviction of Zimmerman.

    Why did Obama, the President make a statement which threw more fuel on the racial fire.

    Why did the media run a photo of Treyvon from middle school, instead of a current photo of him as a tall young man and an admitted thug with gold grills an tattoos, a far more aggressive and intimidating gangster look…

    Why was it continually reported that Zimmerman was white, when he is Hispanic? ( this was later quietly corrected, closing the gate after the cow got out…)

    Why was it not covered that Treyvon was a drug dealing, thug who bragged about assaulting a bus driver on his twitter feed under the name no_limit_nigga?

    Why was this killing turned into such a ‘elite promotion’ while there is hardly a paragraph given to the continual murder of innocent whites by blacks?

    Statistically, an enormously larger number of whites are senselessly beaten and murdered by blacks.

    Why are we not hearing an uproar in the media over the brutal beatings and murders suffered by whites at the hands of racist blacks who are being very vocal about their acts being committed as ‘justice for Treyvon’?

    Why doesn’t anyone in the media circus or better yet our ‘Commandante’ Obama come out and tell those black folks that are concerned about the case to
    not take the case out on innocent white people?

    • Lawrenceraindrop

      Blacks have been accused and had to deal with injustice for long time. Remember ROSEWOOD!!!!!

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        your.race.injustice..you.have.murdered.every.race.more.than.the.holocost..including.your.own.people..injustice.is..what.your.africian.race.does.to.everyone.else..lets.start.telling.the.truth.here.you.murder.every.race.numder1.LYNCHER..go.to.dlack.on.dlack.crime..dlack.on.white.crime…dlack.on.litino.crime..dlack.on.chineese.crime..in.every.race.africians.are.your.numder1.murder.look.at.your.facts.africian..and.tell.the.truth.adout.your.real.africian.history..the..holocost.rape..deatings.of.every.race.every.year..tell…the..truth.for.once!

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      CNN.IS.GETTING.SUED.THEY.COVERED.ALL.THE.DRUSES.SCRATCHES.AND.DLOOD.ON.THE.MEZICIAN..AND.TOOK.THINGS.OUT.OF.CONTEZ..they.doctored.the.pictures.put.a.childs.photo..not.a.man.picture.up..to.piss.off.the.africians..africains..then.have.murdered.many.white.people..they.should.all.get.suied..including..family!

  • Wafflestomper

    In a wave of black-on-white crime since the February Trayvon Martin slaying, reports are emerging of dozens of brutal assaults by black mobs and assailants against white victims – and some attackers are citing the revenge for the Martin slaying as reason for their aggression. Martin is the unarmed black teen who died after being shot by a Hispanic community-watch captain, George Zimmerman, in Sanford, Fla., sparking a wave of outrage o violence against whites long after the Feb. 26 incident.On March 17 in Baltimore, Md., a white man was beaten, stripped naked and robbed. As a girl danced against him, a black man grabbed an item from the man’s pocket. When the victim attempted to recover his property, the man punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground, stripped his clothes off and taunted him.Then one man in the mob, identifying himself on Twitter as “Lil Darren,” posted a video of the assault online, explaining: “me an[sic] my boys helped get justice fore[sic] trayvon.”In the video, a man named Aaron Parsons, 20, looked into the video camera while ridiculing the victim. He turned himself in to police after being linked to the incident. According to the Baltimore Sun, he has been charged with robbery, assault and other crimes.
    Parsons’ attorney, Warren Brown, told the paper the suspect  is a “good kid.”
    “It’s not the punch that has aroused so much anger – it’s the humiliation after the punch, the disrobing of the guy and going through his pockets,” Brown said. “He wasn’t involved in any of that and has no real association with those people.”
    Despite an apology from Parsons, Brown said his client would plead not guilty
    The Sun reported:
    “As a girl dances against him, a man who police now say is Parsons grabs something out of the victim’s pocket. The man moves to recover his property, and the man identified as Parsons rears back and punches him in the face, knocking him to the ground. The victim is then stripped of his clothing and teased.
    Police are still attempting to identify at least three other suspects captured on camera.On March 25 in Cobb County, Ga., a former U.S. Marine who served two tours of duty in Iraq was beaten to death when he got into an altercation with a group of men in an apartment complex parking lot. Police have arrested four black men in connection with the beating death.The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported that Arthur Batchelor, 37, Tarell Secrest, 36, Jason Hill, 35, and Sean Hill, 38, were taken into custody on suspicion of killing 34-year-old Zachary Gamble.The victim’s relatives said Gamble, father of a 7-year-old boy, died from severe head trauma.All four of the men have been charged with felony murder, aggravated assault and aggravated battery. They’re being held without bail in the Cobb County Adult Detention Center.Arthur Batchelor, 37, Tarell Secrest, 36, Jason Hill, 35, and Sean Hill, 38, were taken into custody on suspicion of killing 34-year-old Zachary Gamble.On March 24-25 in Grand Rapids, Mich., at least seven white people were reportedly beaten by black mobs. Five of the victims filed reports with local police.Jacob Palasek (Photo: Newsnet 14)Charleston Conservative Examiner reporter Kyle Rogers said he spoke with victim Jacob Palasek, 37, a full-time student. Palasek said he was attacked by a black man on a bicycle who whipped the side of his head with a chain. The attacker purportedly hit him two more times in the head before Palasek broke away, ran to a home and knocked on the door, hoping the resident would call 9-1-1.He said three blacks attacked him on the porch, yelling, “This is what you deserve, you piece of sh-t.” They continued hitting him in the head with the chain, but he escaped again and hid behind a dumpster. Palasek said the men chased him but walked away when several cars drove by.“A detective told Jacob that they believe all the attacks were racially motivated,” the report stated. “The detective also told Jacob that he believed the Trayvon Martin media frenzy is what prompted the attacks. Jacob also believed that the thugs were seeking revenge for Trayvon Martin before the detective confirmed this belief.”According to the report, seven victims were assaulted within six blocks of the Palasek attack – some in broad daylight.On March 26 in Seminole County, Fla., a white man named Mark Slavin, 50, reportedly sustained massive injuries to his skull after he received 13 blows to his head with a hammer.The Jacksonville Daily News reported that the victim, a salesman for a furniture company in Orlando, was so badly beaten that he was unidentifiable.According to the arrest report, one witness called 9-1-1 after he heard a man screaming for help. The caller said two men pulled the victim from a car, bludgeoned him with a hammer and dragged him into the nearby woods, where they continued to assault him. The attackers fled the scene in the victim’s car before police arrived.Two black men, Julius Bender, 18, and Yahaziel Israel, 19, were charged with attempted homicide, burglary with assault or battery and armed burglary.The victim’s father noted that the attack happened within a few miles of the place where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by George Zimmerman.The victim’s father said he wonders if the attack is related to the Martin shooting.“I’d like to have it checked to see if it was a hate crime,” he said.According to the report, officials at the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office said they don’t believe the attack was connected to Martin’s shooting.“While the investigation is ongoing and we cannot give details at this point, I can tell you investigators from the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office do not believe that this attempted homicide had anything to do with the recent events that occurred here in Sanford,” said Kim Cannaday, a media spokeswoman for the sheriff’s office. “We do not believe it was in retaliation or racially motivated.”On April 5 in Toledo, Ohio, a 78-year-old white man named Dallas Watts was the victim of a group assault, with the attackers allegedly yelling, “This is for Trayvon.”According to Fox News, the man told police he was confronted by a gang of six youths, both black and white. One said, “Take him down.”“[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon … Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man],” the boys are quoted as saying in a police reportOn April 9 in Gainesville, Fla., between five and eight black men emerged from a car screaming “Trayvon!” as they battered a 27-year-old white man who had been walking home, the Gainesville Sun reported.According to the report, police believe the Martin case was the catalyst for the beating.“We do believe that the crime was racially motivated,” Gainesville Police Department spokeswoman Cpl. Angelina Valuri said.The victim told police the beating lasted five minutes – resulting in injuries to his left eye, abrasions to his palms, a cut on his right kneecap and “permanent disfigurement to the left side of his face.”The victim said the group got out of the car and told him he was walking too slowly before proceeding to beat him.On April 14 in Mobile, Ala., a white man was beaten by a black mob after he told a group of children to stop playing basketball in the middle of a street, WKRG -TV reported. One witness said she heard an attacker yell, “Now that’s justice for Trayvon!”Marjon RostamiOn April 14 in Norfolk, Va.,a white couple was attacked by dozens of black teenagers, and the local newspaper did not report on the incident for two weeks, despite the victims being reporters for the paper.As WND reported in a story posted on the popular Drudge Report, the couple was pummeled April 14 by dozens of black teens, and the Virginian-Pilot newspaper did not report the incident for two weeks, despite the fact the victims, Dave Forster and Marjon Rostami, are both news reporters for the paper.The attack was first reported in an opinion piece by columnist Michelle Washington.“Wave after wave of young men surged forward to take turns punching and kicking their victim,” Washington wrote, describing the onslaught that began when Dave Forster and Marjon Rostami stopped at a traffic light while driving home from a show on a Saturday night. A crowd of at least 100 black young people was on the sidewalk at the time.“Rostami locked her car door. Someone threw a rock at her window. Forster got out to confront the rock-thrower, and that’s when the beating began. …Dave Forster“The victim’s friend, a young woman, tried to pull him back into his car. Attackers came after her, pulling her hair, punching her head and causing a bloody scratch to the surface of her eye. She called 911. A recording told her all lines were busy. She called again. Busy. On her third try, she got through and, hysterical, could scream only their location. Church and Brambleton. Church and Brambleton. Church and Brambleton. It happened four blocks from where they work, here at the Virginian-Pilot.”Washington says neither suffered grave injuries, but both were out of work for a week. Forster’s torso ached from blows to his ribs, and he retained a thumb-sized bump on his head. Rostami reportedly fears to be alone in her home, while Forster wishes he’d stayed in the car.In her column about the assault, Washington said the day after the beatings, Forster searched Twitter for mention of the attack, and one post in particular chilled him.“I feel for the white man who got beat up at the light,” wrote one person.“I don’t,” wrote another, indicating laughter. “(do it for trayvon martin)”But at a press conference today, interim Norfolk Police Chief Sharon Chamberlin said the department is not investigating the case as a hate crime.“At no time in our investigation or in statements taken from the victims did it appear this assault was racially motivated,” she said.On April 17 in Chicago, Ill., two black teenagers beat a white 19-year-old to the ground, threatened him with a tree branch and robbed him because, one attacker explained, they were angry about the Trayvon Martin case.Alton Hayes III demanded the victim give them his belongings, saying, “Empty your pockets, white boy.”Alton Hayes IIIHayes and a second attacker, unnamed because he is only 15, searched their victim’s pockets, threw him to the ground and punched him several times in his head and back. He told police they chose the victim because he is white.Hayes was charged with attempted robbery, aggravated battery and a hate crime, all felonies. The younger attacker was referred to juvenile court.On April 28 in Charleston, W.V., two black men beat a white 45-year-old man unconscious in front of his girlfriend and two sons, ages 9 and 13.  The assailants knocked the man down, repeatedly kicking him in the face until he suffered a concussion and lacerations. Then they stole $30 from his pockets.The Charleston Daily Mail reported police said the victim didn’t antagonize the situation.After posting a list of numerous recent black mob attacks against whites, PJ Media noted:“This list of brutality does not include the highly publicized beating of Matthew Owens in Alabama that may have been the result of a long-running neighborhood feud, nor does it include the shooting of an unoccupied Sanford, Fla., police car at the height of racial tensions before George Zimmerman was arrested. It also does not include alleged vandalism and threats that have been issued, such as the death threats in Wisconsin plastered on neighborhood mailboxes and a sticker featuring a picture of Trayvon Martin and the word ‘Revenge,’ as well as another that said ‘Kill Whitey.’”

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      HE.WAS.NOT.WHITE.HE.IS.A.MEZICIAN….africians.are.eztermating.every.race..they.will.lie.and.say.he.was.a.white.guy..it.was.a.MEZICIAN..GET.FACTS.STRAIGHT.since.then.98.WHITES.WERE.LYNCHED.FROM.AFRICIANS..THANKS.TO.PANTHERES.AND.TYVONNES.PARENTS..RACIST.TRASH….HE.WAS..NOT..WHITE!

      • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

        proff.that.tyvonee.was.a.racist.against.mezicians..and.white.people..the.first.thing.they.did.was.call.there.family.dlack.pantheres…..now.there.is.DIRTY.WHITE.CRACKERES.CHILDREN.GETTING.LYNCHED.CAUSE.OF.RACIST.PEOPLE.LIKE.THESE.PANTHERES…I.WONDER.IF.THAT.FAMILY.KNOWS.WHEN.THEY.CALLED.THE.PANTHERES.IN.IF.THEY.WERE.GETTING.WHITE.CHILDREN..MURDERED..THEY.DONT.CARE..IT.ONLY.MATTERES.WHEN.A.AFRICIAN.GOD.IS.KILLED.CAUSE.HE.WAS.DEATING…A.MEZICIAN..HE.ISNT.WHIT..HES.MEZICIAN…….THIS.FAMILY.IS.RESPONSIDILE.FOR.THERE.DEATHS.AND.SHOULD.DE.SUED….ALONG.WITH.PANTHERES!

  • sammie

    so did trayvon murder someone or what???

  • sammie

    why did that man shoot trayvon i think that is why he died poor kid!!!

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      ITS.CALLED..DEFEND.YOUR.SELF.FROM.A.AFRICIAN..OR.DIE!

  • sammie

    thats cold to do something like that

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      LETS.SEE.WHAT.A.AFRICIAN.WOULD.DO.TO.YOU.OR.YOUR.FAMILY..IF.YOU.WERE.GETTING.PUNCHED.IN.HEAD.WOULD.YOU.LAY.DOWN.AND.DIE..OR.WOULD.YOU.DEFEND.YOUR.SELF….THE.MEZICIAN.WAS.GETTING.LYNCHED.DONT.ACUSE.HIM.OF.RACIST..HE.HAD.A.RIGHT.TO.LIVE..KEEP.YOUR.GUN.WITH.YOU.AFRICIANS.WILL.LYNCH.YOU.DONT.MATTER.WHAT.COLOR.YOU.ARE.NUMDER1.KILLER.OF.EVERY.RACE…..(AINT.THAT.THE.TRUTH…and.im.sure.people.think.im.racist..im.not..my.parents.were.lynched.from.2.africians…I.KNOW.FIST.HAND.AFRICIAN.HISTORY……REAL.AFRICIAN.HISTORY.NOT.THE.FAIRYTAIL..HOW.MANY.WILL.THEY.LYNCH.THIS.YEAR?

  • Wendyquartz

    This is NOT what Trayvon looked like when he was shot.. They need to show the real updated picture of what the 17 year old really looks like this picture is from when he was 14.

    • http://twitter.com/terrymichiel TerryNichielClark

      the.racist.rat.got.what.he.deserved.when.an.africian.comes.to.deat.your.scull.in.you.stand.your.ground.take.your.weapon.out.and.proctect.your.self..the.law.works.no.one.no.race.deserves.to.get…….punched..africians.have.murdered.every.race.more.than.the.holocost..They.kick.every.race.and.have.lynched.every.race..The.good.mezician.WON.the.racist.rat.is.dead..maydee.if.his.parents.didnt.teach.him.racist.like.most.africians..this.MAN.NOT.LITTLE.HELPLESS.CHILD(TELL.THE.TRUTH.FOR.ONCE.).if.that.family.didnt.teach.that.man.rasist.against.mezicians..and.respect.hed.de.alive..also.africians.are.lynching..every.race.stand.your.ground..even.other.africians…dont.get.kicked.and.have.your.scull.deat.it..GOOD.MEZICIAN.WON..

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