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Rising Tides

A big new prediction of coastal flooding and sea levels rise. We’ll look at the moving edge of the water.

Long Island beach homes. (Joe Shlabotnik/Flickr)

Long Island beach homes. (Joe Shlabotnik/Flickr)

The big new report out on rising seas and coastal flooding makes clear what a lot of Americans already know.  Floods and storm are getting bad.  Life near the beach is getting hit.

The new report says “just wait”.  Rising seas driven by global warming are going to bite deeper, sooner than most people imagine.  Hitting millions.  Costing billions, trillions.  Putting homes at risk, but also roads, bridges, military bases, farmland, schools, hospitals.

And the wallets of Americans far inland who are being asked to share the burden.

This hour, On Point:  surging seas, and the American coast.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Ben Strauss, chief operating officer of Climate Central and director of the Program on Sea Level Rise. He’s the co-author with Claudia Tebaldi and Remik Ziemlinski of the new report: “Surging Seas.”

Sharlene Leurig, senior manager of the Insurance Program at Ceres.

David Patton, owner of Two Green Thumbs landscaping company in Sarasota, Florida.

From Tom’s Reading List

Climate Central “Global warming has raised sea level about eight inches since 1880, and the rate of rise is accelerating. Scientists expect 20 to 80 more inches this century, a lot depending upon how much more heat-trapping pollution humanity puts into the sky. This study makes mid-range projections of 1 to 8 inches by 2030, and 4 to 19 inches by 2050, depending upon location across the contiguous 48 states.”

New York Times “About 3.7 million Americans live within a few feet of high tide and risk being hit by more frequent coastal flooding in coming decades because of the sea level rise caused by global warming, according to new research. ”

CBS News “Lower Manhattan is one of the most vulnerable locations when it comes to sea level rise from global warming, according to new research.”

More

Check out this interactive map and database from Climate Central, where you can see how vulnerable your zip code is to rising sea levels.

 

 

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  • Anonymous

    What politicians say is not important on this issue. They’d say the sky was green if it would get them elected… what are the insurance companies that sell flood insurance saying?

    • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

      I hope like hell people who stupidly build houses in flood zones have to pay high enough insurance premiums so that when they inevitably get flooded out the rest of us aren’t paying for their stupidity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    When people in coastal regions loose their homes to flooding and decide to rebuild in the exact same spot and in the same exact fashion I cannot bring myself to feel that sorry for them. Yes living by the water is beautiful but I have got to question people who make the same mistakes repeatedly without change and somehow expect a different result..

    • Anonymous

      I agree, I don’t see the logic of bailing out ignoramuses. From now on we should be buying out, not bailing out… if we give anyone any money, let alone 100 cents on the dollar!

      Back in the olden days… didn’t people build their homes on high ground or near protected harbors. Those that didn’t perished.

      The process of natural selection is considered a good thing for the health of animal populations… but has been undermined in humans. :^))

    • Fredlinskip

       “I have got to question people who make the same mistakes repeatedly without change and somehow expect a different result.”
      Agreed…… As in those that vote Republican.

  • Fire It Up!

    A recent article in the Economist talks about the resurgence of coal.  Developing countries like India and China and others will meet their growing electricity demands by burning coal, doubling and tripling their usage over the next few dacades.  So if global warming is really taking place, the tides wil be rising!  Get out the sun tan lotion!  Fortunately people like Al Gore, Barbara Streisand, and other Hollywood left wing “environmentalist”  hypocrits have built their 20,000 square foot energy guzzling mansions high up on cliffs so that they will have a good view of the inundating waters while they proclaim that we must do more to save the planet.  Just as “only the little people pay taxes”, “only the little people are affected by rising tides”.

    • True Freedom

      Actually, to correct myself, many of the people who live along the coast are rich people.  They build in stupid places.  The government should get out of the business of subsidizing their flood insurance.  If they want to live there, that’s there business.  But stop taking money out of my wallet to help pay for it.

  • Patrick

    While nobody wants to see the kind of mass devastation that rising ocean levels will bring, I, at least, am looking forward to the fundamentally stupid argument about climate change being over.

    Haters like “Fire It Up!” (below) can vent all they want about their distaste for the messengers, but history will remember that the climate change deniers were scandalously wrong about the most serious threat to human society in all of human history.  If taking a few shots at Al Gore softens that sting, then have at it.

    • TFRX

      I am looking forward to the fundamentally stupid argument about climate change being over.

      But the similar argument ended on the Titanic with “Well, I guess that was an iceberg!”

      Now if we can keep from having a repeat.

      • Patrick

        Hey, I’m with you.  Unfortunately, there are some thick-headed people in this world.  Even more unfortunately, there’s a political party with no qualms about catering to them.

    • FIRE IT UP

      I actually believe that we are probably experiencing man made global warming.  Man perverts and destroys everything else, why would the environment not be included?  What burns me up is hypocrites like Al Gore and other lefties who scream about global warming but live a very energy intensive lifestlye in their huge mansions (multiple mansions), jetting around the world, etc.  If they really believe their message, then they should set the example by living a non-materialistic, non-energy intensive lifestyle.  They don’t walk their talk, so one has to wonder whether they really believe their message.

      • Patrick

        Well, Al Gore has also done more than any single person to explain the fundamental processes underlying global warming to the general populace.  So, you should be praising him.

        And what he’s advocating is global cooperation and regulation of emissions, which is the only way to really respond to the problem.  The argument you’re making is the same as “well, if Warren Buffet wants to pay more taxes, he should just write a check.”  Both men are advocating necessary changes to the system.

        I wouldn’t suggest that there’s no hypocrisy, but what does that matter to this discussion?  Can Newt Gingrich say nothing about gay marriage, just because he’s a philanderer?

    • Fredlinskip

       Agreed. It would make me feel swell if the planet was destroyed so I could say, ” I told you so- you didn’t listen!”

      But of course in GOP’s eyes it would somehow be the fault of Progressives.

  • chris

     Attributing modest sea level rises to global to so called global warming bilge.  Sea levels have been rising more or less at a miniscule rate for over a hundred years.  Please, Mr. Ashbrook, stick to politics and stay away from another dreary dose of global warming propaganda until you are willing to put on a reasoned dissenting voice on at the same time. Yes, such do exist.

    • Patrick

      So, chris, what degree of sea level rise would cause you to re-think your conviction that man-made climate change couldn’t be responsible?

      • chris

         Let me put it this way…clear and convincing evidence is what I require before I buy into the theory of anthropogenic global warming; a theory to which I assume you subscribe but which I know almost no one, when you get down to the detailed physics, really understands.

        • Patrick

          Nice punt.  No, really – if you’re a “reasoned dissenting voice,” then you would probably respond to a large (as opposed to miniscule) change in sea level by giving more credibility to the theory that predicted it.  So, the question remains: what, in your mind, qualifies as a “large” change in sea levels?

          • NrthOfTheBorder

            Lemme chime in. For once, serious back and forth in this commentary. And Chris I’d like to hear your response. 

        • Longfellow’s Evangeline

          The evidence you require, burning bushes, speaking clouds, etc., is fine for such as you require to keep on keeping on.  However, insurance companies, take their own counsel, and you should at least allow the rest of us the courtesy of safe passage.  There are traditions that we must rely on for safe passage – soundings at every harbor in the world, daily logs on all ships of the world.  What do you want, boy, our ships to sink and ground to satisfy your personal needs?  We will sail on, and keep safe without your inconsiderate assistance.  Stay on shore and off the deck sir, and you’ll be alright.  Go well.

          • Guest

            Thanks! It’s been decades since I’ve thought of Evangeline. Wow, what a read and I sure hope they are still teaching that in middle school. Thanks for the FUN !!

        • Omaha

          Why don’t you put it this way…exactly what clear and convincing evidence are you willing to wait for?

        • Modavations

          Incorrec t.The man subscribes to anything Daily Kos tells him to believe

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       You are correct that sea levels have been rising slowly for thousands of years.  During the same period, human beings have been raising crops and thereby releasing greenhouse gases and have been burning a variety of fuels.  The rate of rise is accelerating now because we’re pumping a lot more CO2 and methane into the atmosphere.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    People can argue “global warming” until the cows come home – the reality is regardless of causes, climate is changing. And regardless of causes, the results are going to have to be dealt with. The costs are going to catastrophic.

    • Modavations

      pure speculation

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

         Speculation is something done without evidence.  There is plenty of evidence for climate change and sea level rise.

        • Modavations

          mAN mADE???TO WHAT DEGREE THEN?AND WHEN lEIF eRIKSONN AND eRIC THE rED TRAVERSED THE ONCE FROZEN SEA LANES TO gREENLAND,AROUND 1100AD.?aND WHY WAS IT CALLED gREENLAND

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

        If you call actual measurements and things like disappearing glaciers speculation.

        • Modavations

          You’re incorrect.Global climate change is from a zillion volcanoes going off at the same time, or the sun:inclination,or aclination of the earth’s axis.The poles of Mars grow and recede when Earth’s do

          • Anonymous

            ^ Ignorance on parade. Most people would be embarrassed to trumpet this stuff in public.

          • Modavations

            Make a point please

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Moda is PROUD of his ‘chemical’-induced ignorance, and proclaimed that PRIDE, several times?

          • Modavations

            meant inclination and declination

      • Terry Tree Tree

        It might have helped if you could have read ‘oldman’s comment, BEFORE commenting on it with ignorant response?

        • Modavations

          Terry has a PHD in Fire Hoses.The Man from N.A.M.B.L.A.

  • Anonymous

    Sea level change will be but one of many consequences of disruptive, anthropogenic climate disruption. Ocean acidification, ecological disruption, crop loses, water shortages…

    These changes are already manifesting, and it’s only going to get worse. Fold in economic destabilization as peak oil settles in…rough times ahead.

    It would be nice if, sometime, OnPoint had a panel that looked at these Big Issues holistically, rather than piecemeal, one at a time.

    • NrthOfTheBorder

      Agreed!

    • Modavations

      Let me tell you what this man means.Put on a Lefty Professor that will parrot my thought.

      • Anonymous

        What a sad, vile, contemptible little man this is.

        • Modavations

          And your point is?

    • Fredlinskip

       That would be like “looking at the big picture”. I think OnPoint does this as well as any News program out there-

      Which isn’t saying much.

  • Modavations

    Take a clear drinking glass,fill to threequaters and add an ice cube.Draw a line at the water level.Come back in ten minutes after the ice has melted.The level will not have changed.The land mass under the polar ice is like a pea to a dinner plate.

    • Patrick

      Completely wrong.  This is only true for floating ice; any ice that rests on a land mass (Antarctica, for example) and projects above water will raise ocean levels when it melts, because the part that projects above water does not displace any water.  You are either misinformed, or attempting to misinform.

      Additionally, white ice and snow reflect light, so as the ice coverage area diminishes (whether floating ice or not), more light (and heat) are absorbed by the oceans themselves.  So, the process accelerates.

      • NrthOfTheBorder

        Patrick — good call. Modavations is like the guy who’s answers on a science test are not only wrong, but earn a negative score.  It’s hard enough following the science on climate change (both pro and con I might add) without some people constantly shooting from the hip. 

        • Modavations

          A Pea under a friggin dinner plate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Patrick

            Is the dinner plate resting on the pea, or is it floating?

          • Modavations

            The plate is the ice,the pea the land mass.As if you didn’t know what I was talking about……Sorry,sorry,it’s PaTRICK.hE PROBABLY DIDN’T UNDERSTAND THE OBVIOUS.

          • Patrick

            I understand what you think you’re saying, and it illustrates your confusion.  The respective sizes of the ice and the land mass are irrelevant.  As is anything you’ve posted here.

          • Modavations

            Well my boy,I emphatically disagree.That is exactly the point

          • Patrick

            Stick to spouting baseless opinions. You don’t have the intellect to venture into basic physics.

        • Anonymous

          Modatroll’s emissions emanate from a place near the hip, but slightly more posteriorly located.

          • Modavations

            Your point is?

      • Modavations

        A pea under a dinner plate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Well, there you go again… livin’ in the rightwing bubble! Tell your theories to the residents of Micronesia who are watching islands disappear and visible changes to coastal regions as saltwater encroaches on their lands.

      Dude, just wait, that bubble you live in won’t float.

      • Modavations

        Black Fang,bite daddies partisan ankle please.Micronesia is sinking under bad debt and preposterous political corruption

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Using ‘chemicals’ again?  Still?  Coherence would be better without ‘chemicals’?

    • Tazona

      Have any idea about the rise in sea level that would occur if all the ice on Greenland turned to water? Place your ice cube in a strainer above the water in the glass in your simple minded demo. You absolutely and routinely insure against events that are much less likely and with resources that are more dear than the massive damage and economic disruption that will result in the absence of a comprehensive and global response to this problem.

      • Tazona

        Oh, I forgot to answer the question for you; its about 25 feet… yeah, that’s feet, not inches.

  • Rex

    What is the republican response dismissing this report?

  • Anonymous

    People–I live in the Milwaukee Metro area in WI.  The calender says winter but it is summer outside.  Folks have even turned on the air cond. I will be the first to admit I love the nice summer like weather in winter, however, I do not understand how anyone can deny climate change???

    My Lilacs are starting to bloom in MARCH and not early MAY when they usually bloom???

    • chris

      We had an exceptionally mild here.   Europe had record cold temperatures this winter. How does that fit in your narrative?  BTW…I remember some springs in the 1970s when we had heatwaves in the 80s

      • Four Elements

        Change in Gulf Stream due to climate change – it’s not warming Europe as in the past.

        • Modavations

          Who would listen to anyone named 4 Elements?.My Family name was Spirited One.That was 40 years ago

  • tom

    When did the last mini ice age end?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Around 1800.

  • Anonymous

    Given the evident increasing risk of these properties, should not property values in these areas start to fall? Will we need a force 6 hurricane to shake up the market?

    • Ellen Dibble

      I’ve thought about this.  It seems to me people buy pricey coastal properties for the Red Hot Now Time, to enjoy the salt sea air with their children and grandchildren, or to impress their guests.  And they also expect to be able to sell this property for a significant profit.  Their timeline is like that of the stock market, quarterly, or yearly at best. The fact the property could be demolished, insurance covers that.  And properties can be demolished by tornado or earthquake or forest fire or mud slide, etc., etc., etc.  So why not enjoy it while it lasts.

  • Discretion Valour

    has anyone else noticed that the surging seas website is lagging badly?  

  • Jim

    At the end of the 4th ice age, when the glaziers over the northern part of our country melted, sea level rose 155 feet .Earth’s climate is doing what it always has.  Considering all that, people still are moving into areas that are prone to flooding and hurricanes.

    • Omaha

      “Glaziers” are people who put glass in windows.

  • Kestral

    Please talk about Norfolk, VA.  What are its prospects?

  • craig A Crawford

    Charleston SC, important historic city, what are the potencial consequences and solutions?

  • GMG

    Dr. Strauss just mentioned a new equilibrium at higher sea levels.  I hear conflicting ideas about the idea of a new equilibrium, and some, I think James Hansen among them, think that there may not be a new equilibrium, and a runaway greenhouse effect may take hold, such that the planet moves toward something more like Venus.

    I’m curious as to how the sea level relates to the runaway effect.  Does the 20 ft estimate include the melting of the ice caps, or does it assume a new equilibrium where not all the ice has melted.  

    If it assumes a new equilibrium, does our understanding now suggest there will not be a runaway greenhouse effect?

    Thank you. 

  • Ellen Dibble

    I’m wondering if there is a map showing the 20 foot rise, extrapolating out even further.  I am recalling that here in central Massachusetts we are at something like 14.5 feet above sea level, which is meaningless to me — till now.

    • TFRX

      Fourteen feet? That sounds a bit low. Are we talking the shores of the Blackstone River or such?

      • Ellen Dibble

        Connecticut River Valley…  I could be wrong, but they’ve put in the newspaper about flood levels being about 14 feet or so, when it seems to me the river is up a foot or so, and I realize they’re going by “above sea level,” not above the usual river bank.  So if sea level went up 20 feet, that’s water climbing up Main Street and across pretty much the whole city, it seems to me.  I hope I’m wrong. 

        • Gmg444

          It looks like much of the Connecticut River valley is indeed below 15ft above sea level. If you look at contours of the USGS topographic maps using the link below, you can see the details.  Around Springfield and into MA it’s higher, 40ft+; in central Connecticut, Hartford and south, it’s lower.

          http://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=99cd5fbd98934028802b4f797c4b1732 

        • TFRX

          You are literally “up a lazy river”. I have seen the farm country flood markers in the bottom land farm country between Northampton and Greenfield. That is pretty dire; thanks for the info.

          • Modavations

            Northhampton,northhampton….This expalins all.Happy Valley

          • TFRX

            Yes, troll, any place I’ve said I’ve been means I live there, if it’s somewhere you think you can unload your rapier wit (sic) about.

            Go back to eating at the cardboard table with the rest of the kiddies. The grown-ups are talking.

  • Chris

    Listening in, call saying beach capms in Chatham removed due to rising seas is incorrect.  Beach camps removed due to natural erosion that ALL barrier islands on the coast experience naturally.  Always have, always will.  It was neither new or unexpected and camp owners who though they could stay there forever had their heads “buried in the sand” ;)

  • chris

     I can’t believe what I am hearing.  Storm surges…coastal flooding and erosion? Duh?…..since when were these new phenomena? You mean that but for global warming, these would be absent and our coastlines would not change but be static? 

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Apparently, you don’t understand the concept of increase.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Does anyone else notice that the biggest ney-sayers of global warming tend to be the ones furthest from the coasts? Not all of them, but it can’t be just me that sees this everywhere from the politicians, to people on the news casts (not news-casters and the talking heads on them, to friends and family. 

  • Chris

    Listening in, speaker said risging seas == rising basketball court and storm surges == slam dunks.  Therefor risging seas == MORE storm surges.  I respectfully disagree that the frequency of storm surges will increase.  The LEVEL of the surge will increase but the speaker has presented NO backup for his assertion that the FREQUENCY will increase.

    I do respect the speakers insight, knowledge and research on this topic and I suspect the linkage he presented in his analogy was not his intention.

  • P Martin

    My sympathies to coastal homeowners, of course.  But I’m more worried about Logan Airport, JFK, LAX, the Washington to Boston Amtrak lines…   Will all this infrastructure have to be moved elsewhere?  When?

    • whatever

      I was thinking about moving to Winthrop MA.  Guess not! I would be moving from one flood zone to another.

      • Modavations

        One of the ugliest towns in the cosmos(my opinion)

    • Terry Tree Tree

      It will be moved too late, and cost FAR more, than it would if done in a timely manner?

  • Longfellow’s Evangeline

    It’s like the old joke I heard up there in Crozet, Va.  Listen up:
    Heckle:  “Do you believe in infant baptism?
    Jeckle:   “Believe in it!   Hell!  I’ve seen it”

  • Modavations

    Subduction and abduction of the continental plates are what causes seas to rise and fall:ie the Salton Sea and the Rockies

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H5G453ZKDUBWSPXPJR4FUA7M3A JeanS

    Who funds things like the raising of Galveston, where they lifted all the buildings of the city and put in new land under it?

  • Anonymous

    Here we’re talking about encouraging high risk behavior through giving ‘free’ flood insurance on the coast. Aren’t we doing the same thing on Wall Street.

  • Citizenjones

    Flood once, flood forever. Why are flood insurance recipients allowed to rebuild on a previously flooded site?

  • Kevin2012

    Will Pilgrim power plant going under?

  • http://greenenergyclimatechange.wordpress.com/ John

    Federal Government coastal risks insurance is broken in another sense than that shared on the program thusfar.  All houses are treated as having the same risk.  Thus our insurance has been terminated even though there is only hurricane risk and no flooding risk for the remainder of this century.  It is lumped in with properties that are basically at sea level.

  • Ellen Dibble

    National insurance, not requiring preflood planning, no market signals therefore — we are NAKED!  
     http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/The_Scream.jpg/220px-The_Scream.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream&h=277&w=220&sz=30&tbnid=LOxtWGt5TFNnnM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=71&prev=/search%3Fq%3DThe%2BScream%2BEdvard%2BMunch%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=The+Scream+Edvard+Munch&docid=cSMopPur7TZOGM&sa=X&ei=b1VnT43PCOiB0QHD2KCeCA&ved=0CD8Q9QEwAA&dur=940

  • Lark

    What about the nuclear plant at Seabrooke, NH, right on the coast?

  • whatever

    I live in Norfolk Va Larmont) in a surge one area.  Along with flooding and down trees I have decided to sell my house and live elsewhere. I love my neighbo hood but hate the stress.

  • Lark

    What about petroleum off-loading and refining facilities–all along the coast?

  • Ellen Dibble

    Try two:

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    the flood map is interesting – 1ft rise and Massport and most of what’s being built on Seaport are done.

  • Guest

    Positive feedbacks of climate change are ramping up.  Scientists are not being listened to, at great risk to humanity.  A video interview with  climate scientist David Wasdell  is worth watching.
    Feedback Mechanisms & Catastrophic Climate Change – David Wasdell 

    Rising seas and out-of-control storms are our future.  What else?  Who knows, but it will not be pretty and humans will suffer.  

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    If government agencies start making policies against coastal property development, or stop insuring it, it would be tantamount to acknowledging global warming, and the Republicans and those on the Right will never let that happen in the political atmosphere of today. 

    Same for insurance companies, and other business, that replies on the politics of the Right to deny global warming. The minute multiple governments above the immediate local level start passing laws to stop (and/or remove) coastal settlements, and insurance companies refuse to insure anything, the “myth” of global warming argument by the Right is OVER.

    • cooltheplanetstat

      Florida homeowners pay on average about twice the national average, and this has been so for some years (see http://www.housingpredictor.com/homeowners.html). That is if you can find a private insurer who still writes there. Plus the deductible for hurricane damage is typically over $20,000; basically you don’t reach it unless your entire home has been destroyed. I’d say the insurance world is UTD on climate change. But for some reason the public is still asleep at the wheel.

      • Scott B, Jamestown NY

         I was meaning as a majority, on on whole, not just that it’s hard to get insurance in one state; or one community here – one there – another over there, has some rules about building.   When the insurance biz, as a whole, says they’re not going to insure homes in certain places, period, because global warming is making the areas a risk, then the ney-sayers will have to pay attention. 

  • Anonymous

    The solution is simple. Elect only GOP candidates and Global Warming will officially not exist … therefore no sea level rise. Problem solved!

  • Adirondacker

    I strongly recommend Curt Stager’s book “Deep Future: The Next 100,000 years of Life on Earth” -paleoclimatologist in the northern Adirondacks of NY.

    • Modavations

      fake science,my opinion

      • Patrick

        Your opinion is like a farting sound made by the armpit of an attention-challenged child in the back of science class, in fourth grade, in 1990, while the rest of the class was learning about the greenhouse effect.

        • Modavations

          farting,armnpit,attention challenged,back of science class…….
              A disinterested party may call this immature,or as the author puts it,”childish”.

          • Patrick

            You’re right.  To paraphrase Rush Limbaugh, “I’m sorry for sinking to your level.”

          • Modavations

            The story is rising sea levels!!!!May I make a suggestion.Read the editorial page of the WSJ,then the NYTimes,then decide.Never be dictated to by the Thought Police,always give the different opinion,consideration.Ask yourself why am I posting on NPR.These are your “fellow travelers”.I suspect that many of the Left use this like an AA Meeting.

          • TFRX

            If you’re gonna paraphrase RL, don’t you really mean that you’re sorry you chose the wrong words, but you really mean what you said?

    • Ellen Dibble

      See OnPoint March 24, 2011, with Curt Stager.  
      http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/03/24/climate-change-future 

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    The Koch Bros. hired their own scientist to disprove global warming and the guy came back with, “Global warming is real, and it’s happening.”

    • Modavations

      The Koch Bros.prop up NPR,home of America’s Communist Socialist.Your thoughts please

      • Scott B, Jamestown NY

         No, David Koch seems to be having some kind of internal schizm because he had cancer and now he looks like he’s hedging his bets by supporting the Tea Party and at the same time donating to NPR, PBS, and to medical research like from the kinds of medicine he railed against but were also the kinds that saved his life. 

        • Modavations

          And you spoke to Mr.Koch,when??

          • Scott B, Jamestown NY

             It was in reported in several magazines (like The New Yorker), as well as NPR, with interviews from those that did the magazine reporting. 

          • Modavations

            Do you think the New Yorker skewers Left.I certainly do.I would say the animious is apparent.Have they ever written something flattering?If so,please direct me

  • Modavations

    Last week Sen Inohfe(?)was on Wash.Journal…Look at talking point # 5 from Daily Kos(mention the polar bear).He quoted Canada’s main Polar Bearologist….”we have an abundance of Polar Bears.Want some?”

  • Talknationradio

    Thank you for a great discussion about an issue that every US taxpayer should be aware of. It’s more than money at stake, but through evaluating the business side we can really grab hold of this problem and begin to initiate protections for people living along these coasts. The problem too it seems to me is that nobody knows WHICH entities to blame if there is in fact a human factor to be proven. Big oil? Coal? US/China? That debate has been a big distraction, but for insurance companies it may be very important eventually. Is this politics? Failed regulatory agencies? Corruption? Or just plain lack of willingness to listen to scientists due to poor media coverage. There has certainly been less coverage on global climate change even with the increase in super dangerous storms. 

  • AJNorth

    The name Dr. Michael Mann may be familiar to some; a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University (and
    creator of the “hockey stick” graph — a zigzagging line that shows global
    temperatures over several centuries), he has been the target of a sustained smear campaign — as well as death threats — (stemming from stolen e-mails
    at the University of East Anglia in the U.K.).

    He has also been the subject of
    several investigations into allegations of academic and scientific misconduct,
    and fraud — and has ALWAYS been totally and completely exonerated. (Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli’s long inquisition against Mann
    was tossed out by the Virginia Supreme Court on 2 March).

    For those
    grounded in evidence-based reality, rather than the misrepresentations and outright lies of anti-science Luddites and the shills for the carbon cartel, or fantasies based on scriptural
    dogmas (like James Inhofe and his ilk), listen to this in-depth interview from 14 March 2012 with
    Professor Mann by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s weekday program “The Current” — http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2012/03/14/climate-activist-michael-mann/
    (audio stream at the site; the segment runs 27:29).

    • Modavations

      Read Prof Lindzen…..Sloan Chair holder at MIT.Astrophysicist at Harvard ,before landing the more prestigious gig.Some folks on NPR have actually said this Sloan Chair holder, at the most prestigious technical institute in the cosmos, is invalid,because he once smoked cigarettes.This is no joke.

      • AJNorth

         Well, to begin with, Dr. Lindzen is an atmospheric physicist — not an astrophysicist (and the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of
        Technology). Yes, his position has long been that climate change (warming) as a
        function of human activity is greatly exaggerated (if even present); suffice it
        to say that the number of fellow professional climate scientists (at least as
        equally distinguished) who agree with him represent a very tiny fraction of that
        community.  Your point (as far as it can be discerned) is therefore,
        frankly, not persuasive.  As far as bringing up NPR and cigarettes, you’ll have
        to take that up with NPR — and the tobacco lobby (who were, by the
        way, represented by the SAME public relations firms as now represent the carbon
        cartel — along with some of the very same “experts;” watch this installment of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporations highly-esteemed weekly television news magazine, “The Fifth Estate,” entitled “The Denial Machine” — http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=522784499045867811 ).

        • AJNorth

           Also, you might wish to peruse this post with respect to Professor Lindzen’s position — https://lackofenvironment.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/prof-lindzen-try-this-instead/ .

          • Modavations

            While you cryptically call Lindzen crooked ,I have a feeling MIT would have interceded if there were a conflict of interest.This may seem alien,but some of us worry about our good names.What about my Acoustic  Prf.who laughed when I asked him about climate modeling.What about my assertion of volcanists,geologists,etc,.etc,.If a Scientist is paid by Govt.grants,do you think there may be bias.

        • Modavations

          most of ipcc(?) are geologists, oceanographers,volcanists,etc.The rest are out and out frauds.Lindzen is the top of the food change.Wasn’t that fraud Prof.Mann from Penn.State?I have a Prof Pal at MIT who says of Climate modeling,:”huey”.There are variables up the Yin Yang an half are invisible.I’ve obviously,paraphradsed.Highly esteemed is prejudicial language and tells me you’re in the tank.Esteemed according to who

          • AJNorth

            That would be “according to whom,” but I digress, as this isn’t a post on proper grammar.

            Your response amply demonstrates that you are merely another troll not in the least interested in the facts of so-called “Climate-gate,” much less the science of climate change (if you even understand what science is, and how its pursuit is carried out).

            Others will no doubt look into the facts involving Professor Mann of Penn State and the smear campaign against him (and others) by your playmates (who committed felonies by stealing internal e-mails from the University of East Anglia in the U.K.) — and their total and complete exoneration of ALL charges of scientific fraud (since the facts obviously mean nothing to you — that is, if you’ve even bothered to look into them).

            That you have a “Prof Pal” at MIT who says blah, blah, blah about whatever is meaningless in the grand scheme.  As stated previously, the overwhelming majority of climate scientists the world over (and their governments) disagree with Lindzen and his fellow travelers amongst the climate change deniers. You might as well be arguing that the Earth is six-thousand years old or cigarettes don’t cause cancer because you have two (or five or even fifty) scientists who say so (an exact analogy).

            And with that, it’s past time to end the troll-feeding. Enjoy your continued immersion in that well-known river in Egypt — and have a nice day.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Was that the same Penn State that exonerated the child molester coach?

      Oops!

      A white wash is NEVER a strong defense.

      • Modavations

        Like Ali knocking out Paterson.Boom,boom float like a butterfly,sting like a bee.This kid thinks Mann was from Univ.of Penn.!!!!

  • Modavations

    I’m in Boston.It’s 70 degrees.I love Global Warming.I’m gonna go outside in my shorts and read the NYTimes.No Patrick,while it’s an enemy rag I’m not intimidated.I search out difference of opinion.That’s the difference between free men and college kid ideologues

    • cooltheplanetstat

      Oh yeah, 70 degrees is great in March, but how much will you like 120 degrees in summer?

    • TFRX

      Nothing malaria loves more than mosquitos that don’t die off in the winter.

  • AJNorth

    The scientist referred to below whose study was funded by the Koch brothers and resulted (much to their chagrin — and that of the climate-change deniers) in his complete about-face on the issue is Dr. Richard Muller, professor of physics at U.C. Berkeley; his original article in the popular press, “The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism,” appeared in the Wall Street Journal on 21 October 2011 – http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204422404576594872796327348.html (you might perform a web search to read more about Professor Muller and the scientific FACTS about global climate change…).

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Richard Muller said that climagate was real.  He has proof that “the team” are scam artists and he will not read any more of their papers.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Muller makes NO claims about man’s contribution to global warming.  His study simply confirms the warming that even the ‘skeptical’ climate scientists agree to (about 1C/century).  The difference is skeptical scientists don’t believe there will be a “positive feedback’ that will increase warming to 3C/century.  There has been no evidence of a positive feedback thus far.

    • Modavations

      There we go…..Funded by the Koch brothers.Do you know if they tampered with the man’s work?You’re fatally partisan

  • sodawateplain70

    Will there be an attempt by coastal land owners to move their property lines back from the rising water? I own a home about thirty feet above the mean water level and dont want to lose out on my future ocean front property line.

    • Longfellow’s Evangeline

      Oh, yes!.  The Citizens of ‘Willoughby” in Norfolk, Virginia, are planning to change centuries old riparian land rights, ignoring ‘safe harbor in a storm’ international standards, and declaring that anything that sullies their line of sight, ‘public nuisance’, no matter how ‘attractive’ it might be.  So, expect rewriting of “Water Resource Management”, by Meyer and Tarlock, any day now in the New Regency.
      Oh, it was so fine reading those old considered, life respecting, judicial decisions.  But we have an Obscene Court now, don’tcha know.  Sic semper tyranus.  Commonwealth of Virginia

      • TFRX

        I know nothing of Virginia’s coast, but I hope it’s not as built to a farethewell, so impervioius to water, and so full of concrete and asphalt as New Jersey’s resort towns.

        “The coast” is not some strip 100 feet wide at high tide, with a thick wall behind it, which the Army Corps of Engineers just dumps new sand on every so often. That’s just asking for trouble.

  • Anonymous

    Regarding your estimates of 2 to 7 feet, how do these estimates square with all of the underestimates listed at http://www.global-warming-forecasts.com/underestimates.php ?

    According to what it says on that page, climate scientists have already been wrong on their estimates.  According to the quote by Secretary of Energy cited on that page, climate scientists “didn’t get it right.” They “underestimated how fast the sea level was rising.”Doesn’t this mean that when the IPCC and other organizations get around to incorporating data in their models on methane from melting permafrost and greenhouse gases from freshwater lakes and rivers, etc., that they did not include the first time around in their forecasts, that the sea level rise estimates may be even higher than those that you’re discussing at this moment on your program? Burnet

  • Jbuchanan42

    There is a good blog on the subject of sea level rise and coastal concerns at http://coastlinesproject.wordpress.com/. this is put together by scientist and author Bill Sargent.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Didn’t Obama say that the sea levels would stop rising once he was elected?

    That was 3 1/2 years ago.  What happened?

    • Modavations

      Didn’t Pres.Obama say he’d cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term?

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         Nothing about sea levels or deficits in the Tom Hanks infomercial.

    • cathyac

       No.  Why would you say that he did?

      • Modavations

        Actually he did,sort of

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         Mmmm.  Last summer NASA claimed that sea levels had an historic DROP.

        I guess Obama kept his promise.  Maybe another Nobel prize is in the offing.

        http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/promise-kept-sea-levels-fall-under-obama

        • Fredlinskip

           That’s a whole lot better than W’s approach which was to withdraw from a world-wide effort to slow warming, namely Kyoto.
          Perhaps Katrina was God’s way of expressing disapproval of that decision?

          I guess that can’t be right, because W never gave a damn about the plight of those devastated by the hurricane.

          • They’reallthesame

            It was under President Clinton that the United States Senate refused to sign the Kyoto treaty, 98-0 as I recall.  The message was delivered in Tokyo by none other than that man of principle, Vice President Al Gore.  Blame W for lots, but not this.

    • Fredlinskip

       I believe Obama was speaking metaphorically, No?

  • Bob

    Perhaps V.P. Al Gore did NOT create the Internet, but his documentary, “An Inconvenient Truth”, had truths that people do NOT want to accept…It’s time for people to wake up to what’s
    happening on this planet and spend a bit less time concerned about which team will win the NCAA Championship…Mr. Ashbrook - enjoy your show!  

    • Modavations

      The judge in London said this is a political screed and you must state so,if you intend to play it  in our schools.

  • notafeminista

    “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”

    ~Chicken Little

    • Chuck Finley

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  • Kookoo Cory

    Here is the non-partisan reality.  Global warming and its consequences are too slow moving and abstract for us to take action against.  It is the perfect enemy.  An asteroid coming to destroy us in 6 months would unite us.  20-40 inches sea level increase flies completely beneath our radar.

  • Katrina

    I’m from New Orleans. I live in Dallas Now. Never, ever call me a Chicken Little. I lived flooding…. troll.

    • Modavations

      Isn’t New Orleans below sea level?.Maybe if the Solons hadn’t stolen the money,or the Enviro Whackos not litigated at every turn,the levess would have been brought up to snuff

      • TFRX

        More litigation would have done something for the levees.

        Add this to the list of things you need to do homework on.

        • Modavations

          Everytime the Army Corp wanted to fortify the levees,Green Peace et al.,litigated.Like the solar farms in the Mojave.Save the tortoise,save the friggin tortoise

          • Fredlinskip

             This is your brain on Rush!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            UGH!!!  WHAT A MESS?

      • AC

        actually – the prob was the appointees on the Levee board; they were mostly relatives of local politicians. They didn’t even know what a ‘levee’ was when they were given the warnings by the army corp…..

      • Anonymous

        Continually blurring the line between ignorance and stupidity.

        • Modavations

          As usual,is there a point

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You MISSED it, AGAIN?

  • CASnyder

    Some of you commenting are very bad at reading or math, and somehow got the impression that we are in for a twenty foot rise in the century – the figure in the article was 20 to 80 inches, which is about 1.5 to 7 feet. However that does mean the water could come miles farther inland, so it is still nothing to scoff at. Also others were claiming that the simple solution is to just put more $ into levees in places like New Orleans. This would actually make the likelyhood of catastrophic flooding ever greater in the future in delta areas like NOLA. A river is constantly raising the land mass in the delta with the silt it carries, and it has been found that the levees actually cause the land inside to subside relative to sea level and even more so relative to the lands outside the levees because they wall that land-building silt out. If we want cities in the deltas of the world to survive, we need to design appropriate to those conditions, such as putting our buildings up on stilts or on barges that can ride the flood waters up and down without damage.

  • John

    In the eighties there was acid rain and smog in north america.  many of the areas suffering from these problems have been cleaned up, and the particulates, could, have been the reason for an increase in temperatures, so enviormentalists, MAY, have caused global warming, or not.I know that many people in the US are unawares, but there is a very hot place called Dubai, and unfettered by realities of stock market crashes, living very close to sea level, etc, they decided to build some offshore islands, and I guess in the future they will be building more, when they have the money for them.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-463694/Meet-resident-Dubais-palm-shaped-man-island.html

    In late january many people were chatting about the fact that part of the sun was about to explode, it happened, and then the temperature went up.http://www.slate.com/blogs/trending/2012/01/24/solar_storm_flares_toward_earth_with_explosion_of_protons.htmlYou are correct.  Perhaps I know nothing, and I claim to know nothing more than what I observe/remember.  Does this mean that humans have no effect on nature?  No, on the other hand, are humans a part of nature?Those claiming to know and understand the universe/god are claiming greater powers then I certainly haveStill what I’ve posted might be:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo&ob=av2eFor some of you.

  • Sy2502

    If climatologists gave us a nickel for every time they have told us we are about to go underwater, we’d all be rich. I have been hearing these predictions for at least 30 years. Each time it was “in the next 10 to 20 years, doom and gloom”. Last I checked, none of us ended up in the drink. I wish somebody started to hold them accountable for all their failed predictions.

    • Fredlinskip

       In geological terms 20 to 30 years is a millisecond.
      So I guess you’re one of the “IBG, YBG” (I’ll be gone, you’ll be gone) crowd. Who cares if the planet’s destroyed- long as I ‘m not here to see it.

      I can’t imagine a more selfish sentiment.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Abe-Drayton/100000557953007 Abe Drayton

      There’s not much use to a warning that comes too late to do anything about it…

    • gdcox

      Doooooh

  • Longfellow’s Evangeline

    I went thru Hurricane Hazel in Charleston, S.C.We lived seven miles out from the city center.  The water came up to the lip of the stoop.  Water was everywhere, 360 degrees.  Snakes hung off the roof.  You had to have a stick in hand to open the front door.  Yes the water went down after a day, but the drainage ditches were all clogged up, and snakes were everywhere.  And, we were home alone as was at the Naval Base, working on tying down the buildings to the piers.  In the center of the storm, as always…not a position for non-believers in facts on the ground. You just have to step around them.  Let them float their own boat and carry-on.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Will Native Americans buy back Manhattan, for $24 worth of beads, when it is underwater?

  • Slipstream

    A few points:

    To John, who says basically that rising sea levels are just this decade’s environmental panic, like acid rain was in the 1980s – it was because researchers pointed out that acid rain was a problem that steps were taken to remedy it.  If no one had spoken out, it would have continued.  Also, this is a far bigger problem than acid rain, which can be ameliorated by using filters on smokestacks.

    Anyone who is relying on the federal government to bail them out if coastal storms and rising seas ruin their homes had better think carefully.  They didn’t exactly do a great job with Hurricane Katrina.  I have told a few of my friend with oceanfront properties that they might want to consider selling now while they can still get millions.

    Strauss had some important things to say, but his voice made him an annoying guest – I had to fastforward thru much of the dialogue that forcused on him. 

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