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The End Of America As We Know It?

Republican candidates on the stump are saying the America they love is on the line. Writer Jonathan Chait says they might be right.

A county-level breakdown of the 2008 presidential election. (Masebrock at the wikipedia project)

A county-level breakdown of the 2008 presidential election. (Masebrock at the wikipedia project)

Politicians often say its now or never, “do or die” time when they’re looking for votes.  “This is the most important vote of your lifetime!”  But this year that message is especially loud and dire on the Republican primary campaign trail.

Rick Santorum tells his crowds the America they love will be gone, finished, if the GOP doesn’t take the White House this fall.  Newt Gingrich warns of political end times.  Even Mitt Romney is talking “last chance”.  What’s going on?

This hour, On Point:  we’re exploring the “2012 or bust!” message of the GOP campaigns.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Jonathan Chait, a writer for New York magazine. You can read his article “2012 or Never” here.

Sean Trende, senior elections analyst for RealClearPolitics, and author of “The Lost Majority: Why the Future of Government Is Up for Grabs – and Who Will Take It.” Read his rebuttal to Chait’s piece here.

From Tom’s Reading List

New York “The GOP has reason to be scared. Obama’s election was the vindication of a prediction made several years before by journalist John Judis and political scientist Ruy Teixeira in their 2002 book, The Emerging Democratic Majority. Despite the fact that George W. Bush then occupied the White House, Judis and Teixeira argued that demographic and political trends were converging in such a way as to form a ­natural-majority coalition for Democrats. ”

Wall Street Journal “It’s now or never for Republicans, or at least for conservatives, claims the nasty liberal writer Jonathan Chait of New York magazine. “The modern GOP–the party of Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes–is staring down its own demographic extinction,” Chait claims. Republicans, in his view, are right to worry “that conservative America will soon come to be dominated, in a semi-permanent fashion, by an ascendant Democratic coalition hostile to its outlook and interests.””

The Weekly Standard “The battlefield of political prognostication is littered with the remains of once-bold, but quickly forgotten, theories of partisan realignment. No sooner is a “permanent Republican majority” proposed than the predicted majority is overtaken by events, thereby laying the foundation for an “emerging Democratic majority.” The impregnable majority grows bloated and finds itself unable to reconcile its competing internal forces, thus providing the opposition party the means, motive, and opportunity to swipe one or more of the majority’s constituencies and cobble together its own governing coalition.”

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  • Roy Mac

    The purpose of the color-coded map is…?  Wide-open spaces containing hardly any people vote Republican?  I refer you to The Visual Display of Quantitative Information, by Edward R. Tufte.

    • Anonymous

       Yellowstone park and the Everglades were firmly behind john McCain.

    • JamisRaisDaisBaliff

      Don’t know if you ever drove across the US on two lane blacktops, with the windows open. If you did, it’s obvious as hell that all the places that smell like cow sh#t vote republican. Not that there’s anything wrong with cows – unless you eat them, then theirs a lot wrong with them, and you.

    • nj_v2

      Time for a new color, perhaps an optimistic orange or a cheerful yellow.

      The current two parties (actually one, corporatist party with two heads) no longer serve the majority of Americans. Fauxgressives bow to Obama who toes the same lines with the oligarchs as the batshit-crazy Cons. Dems are, generally, marginally better on social issues, but that’s no longer enough of a reason to excuse their warmongering, inaction on Wall Street crimes, etc.

      People need to work toward building a politics for the people.

      Start by voting for Rocky Anderson this year. http://www.voterocky.org/

  • Anonymous

    So if the country becomes “majority Democrat”, who is going to be left to pay for all of the entitlements?  God help us all, as we’ll be the new “Greece” sooner than we think.  

    • Anonymous

      Here is a hint, ” It’s now well-understood that blue states generally export money to the federal government; and red states generally import it.” From an article entitled   
      Ayn Rand Worshippers Should Face Facts: Blue States Are the Providers, Red States Are the Parasites. 

       The new Greece will be Utah, Idaho, Wyoming etc and much of the south. Republican strong holds. If you do not believe this check your states census data. Then get back to work. Working Dem’s are getting sick of paying Repubs to act like they actually are against handouts.

      • JP

        Nice!

      • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

        Brilliant comment Noreaster17.

      • Anonymous

        I was beginning to think WBUR had become an outhouse for Modavations and Dan.  Thanks, Northeaster, for the fresh air!

    • Joshua Hendrickson

      We’ll become Greece only if we adopt cruel destructive Republican austerity measures.

  • People

    kewl

    there’s really no reason to be a social conservative…maybe economic conservative but that’s iffy. Capitalism as its become in America is a disgrace.

  • Pcoggins

    Roy Mac
    Wide open spaces indeed. THat’s a republicans excuse for a brain +)

  • Glenn Koenig

    Consider the two major aspects of public policy, social and economic.

    When it comes to social policy, clearly the Republican positions of anti gay, anti birth control, pro drug war, etc., are bound to lose as society marches on.  For example, studies show that younger voters are more likely to approve of same-sex marriage rights.  So, as we all age social policy becomes more “liberal” for lack of a better term.  As one poster has it, “You say you want your country back?  I want my country forward!”

    But when it comes to economic policy it’s a different story.  Historically, liberal has also meant favoring big government solutions to economic problems, powered by continued deficit spending.  Clearly, this can no longer be sustained, given the problems of unmanageable debt world wide today.  Now that we’ve hit that wall, where do Democrats go?

    Neither party will have enough money to proceed with it’s traditional agenda.  We are bankrupt from waging war around the globe (a traditional Republican platform) while our existing social programs (a traditional Democratic platform), especially Medicare, are being devastated by an an aging population and an out of control medical system, which is taking both government and businesses down with it.

    Our temptation is to try to ‘fix’ this broken system as best we can, using the same familiar tools we have used in the past, perhaps because it’s too difficult or frightening to imagine anything radically different.  So we keep writing to Congress, hoping that the two party gridlock won’t last forever.

    But our country has become too large (population wise) and too complex for a central government to continue to govern capably.  Meanwhile, our big banks are failing to manage themselves successfully, our food industry is feeding us badly enough to cause major health problems, and our energy industry continues to profit on our addiction to oil as if burning it has no impact on the climate.  So the so-called ‘private sector’ is not likely to help much, at least not the big established corporate interests.

    Our desire for the familiar secure feeling of central control must give way to more decentralized ways to manage our affairs.  The good news is that new networks, non-profits, and small businesses are leading the way being left behind by the big old institutions.  Although many smaller decentralized and diversified groups may not seem as significant or as powerful as large established industries and government agencies, they are growing in number and in impact.

    So, I think it is a mistake to frame the question as to which party, Republican or Democrat, is to prevail.  If anything, both parties are on the way out.  What’s coming in isn’t a party at all.

    • Winston Smith

      Unfortunately, approving gay marriage is not “forward”…it’s downward… into the moral cesspool that our society embraces.  Gay marriage is a perversion of God’s design, regardless of how many people approve it.  Anybody with a brain can obviously see that the plumbing is designed for heterosexual relations.  It just shows to what extent man will throw logic and reason out the window to approve an immoral lifestyle CHOICE.

      • AC

        that’s silly & blastphemous. & you shouldn’t presume to speak for God….

        • Dan

          Since God is a figment of these ignorant peoples’ imaginations, I’d say it’s not so much “silly and blasphemous” that they claim to speak for him as “silly and dangerous.” It’s like making public policy on the basis of what your imaginary friend tells you to do.

          • AC

            i go for respectful, i don’t make fun of disabled people either ;)

          • Glenn Koenig

            I also try to go for respectful.

          • Joshua Hendrickson

            It’s not “like” it … that’s exactly it.

        • Adks12020

          When more people realize that God is a creation of our own minds used to make sense of a complicated, and sometimes terrible and unexplainable world, everyone will be better off.

        • Winston Smith

          I am not speaking for God, simply reiterating what He has already said in His Word, The Bible about this subject.  “Contrary to sound teaching”, “degrading”, “indecent”, “in error”.  He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah over their detestable perversion.  You and people who justify GLBT are simply choosing to ignore what He clearly says both in His Word and in Creation.  He does provide the power to escape this destructive addictive lifestyle choice for those who want to escape rather than simply continue rationalizing their sin.

          • kelty

            Maybe we ignore it because we know those words were written bu human males whose hearts were filled with hate for other humans. The real perversion here is what you line of thinking. It must be lonely.

          • kelty

            your line of thinking

            I need to wake up my fingers apparently

          • Winston Smith

            You can choose to create whatever god you want.  You ignore the only true God and what He has clearly taught in His word at your own peril.

          • Anonymous

            Winston, you really disqualify yourself by insisting that we arrange our arguments around a being that you believe in but that many of us don’t.  The more you protest that you know what your particular “god” wants, the less force your argument has for those who are more rational and less prone to belief in the unproven or who believe in other gods.

            And Kelty has a very good point about that bible!  It was written by men who are generally biased and not all-knowing.

          • kelty

            Do you really think that scares me? I don’t choose any god and I think it would be preferrable if we all treated each other as humans beings first and foremost. If I do something bad against another human, my own conscience should be what bothers me and makes me change. You, on the other hand, can do whatever hateful thing you want only expecting to be praised at the end based on your religion. We grow & learn from our own mistakes and predjudices, and that makes us change for the better. That is a good thing, but your mind is closed. 

          • Terry Tree Tree

            EXCELLENT EXPLAINATION!!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Then, HE should have destroyed the Roman Child-Molesting and Child-Abusing church how many CENTURIES ago?

          • Michiganjf

            The bible wasn’t written by any God… it was written by similar boneheads spelling out their version of “god,” just like your doing now.

          • Michiganjf

            Show us where “god” signed his name to any part of the bible.

            It’s just another book written by those who knew an easy way to control the brainless.

      • nj_v2

        ^ Who says time travel isn’t possible. We have a visitor from the sixteenth century!

      • Anonymous

        Listen to yourself.  You echo a debasement of your own religion that’s been going on for centuries.  Religion is not based on the fleshy mechanics of the material world.  You reduce your own religion to materialism by doing so.

        It is like saying your soul is made out of smoke.  Would you also say that quantum mechanics is immoral because it violates classical law?  Of course not.  It’s irrelevant.  Religion is not based on physics, anymore so than it is based on physiology.  

        If you truly knew what transcendence means, the most insulting thing to the practice of any religion, would be the material reductionism contained in your post.

      • Glenn Koenig

        It has been fascinating to read these comments to my original post.  I respectfully disagree that same-sex attraction is immoral.  There is more to this world beyond what it says in the Judeo-Christian Bible.  I look upon life as a dynamic process of questions and investigation, challenges and opportunities.  I also look upon my life as an opportunity to not only feel love within ourselves, but to express love toward others in whatever ways we can create.  That includes expressing love for all of nature in addition to other human beings, as much as we can.  Perhaps, Winston, we’ll just have to remain with our differing opinions.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Then, WHY do Catholics EMBRACE, and ENCOURAGE homosexual pedophilia, and Child-Molesting?

    • Fredlinskip

       “Conservatives have worked to suppress “scary” challenges to powers that be, such as civil right, women’s rights, worker’s rights, and on and on, throughout this nation’s short history.
      If you “want your country forward”, vote progressive.

      If you want to live in a commune and vote 3rd party fine- history, in general, has mushed these folks into the turf.

      Conservative Admins (including Ronnie Reagan) up until 2008 have been the ones that have run up national debt and deficit- Research it some time.
      Why? It’s obvious, if you can’t raise revenue from those WHO CAN MOST AFFORD IT, you can’t pay down debt, It’s not rocket science.  No taxes sounds great to both those at the top and to the completely clueless.
      There in lies the rub.

      If you truly want to change country as a whole, IMO best hope is to find best ways to educate people of facts and wean them off “sound- bite oriented” corporate media.

  • JP

    One can only hope Mr. Chait is right… after a disastrous “Republican Revolution,” our country is again in desperate need of a progressive era in politics.

  • JacFlasche

    Republican, Democrats, blue states, red states, what a farce. The truth is that there is no way to vote against “Goldman Sachs” and the other Wall Street criminal enterprises if you vote for a democrat or republican. Learn this one little fact you partisan nitwits. You can do it. If you can’t you are a slave to the dual polar nature of your nervous system and are just a damn machine. Don’t you get it: there is no other issue. Everything else is a red herring and they own the media including NPR. How else do you explain the impossible task of obtaining real campaign finance reform? Are you all really that fracken stupid. It’s you damn believers that are causing all these problems and keeping your criminal masters in control, you believers who believe it when your masters tell you that only a democrat or republican can win. You fracken people probably deserve the reaming you are getting from the hand full of criminal families that control your mind. You know the ones that stole your retirement and then got you to blame it on the homeless. ‘friggin idiots. Go listen to Rush that’s your speed, you like it, so you believe it, and you screw everything up for everyone by being such an incredible dupe.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz5RxhahHK0

    • CommonMon

      The fact that anyone likes Rush at all is sad. If they could only see the low level of intelligence that he entrains. But that’s just the problem isn’t it, everyone thinks they are special and intelligent no matter how common or stupid they are. And there is just no convincing them otherwise, because it directly threatens the survival of their false persona that they have built up, like gathering debris to float on in the ocean of unknowing. It doesn’t really matter what it is, if it floats their self-image. No?

      • Zero

        I like Rush.  I like all the characters: Edith, Gloria, the Jeffersons, etc.  Rush even has a counterpart, Meat Head, and how many conservative shows have that…?

    • JustSayin

       Absolutely “friggin” correct.

    • Fredlinskip

       Can relate to the anger & frustration their Jac, but IMO we have to work within the system we have as screwed  as it is.
      Don’t think country is quite ready for a good ol’ French  off-with-their-heads type revolution yet.
      Their are major differences in the policy choices between the parties. And we have recent history to inform us as to which might be better option.
      Hedges is a very intelligent well-informed indiidual and  I’m happy that he’s out there doing what he can to “open people’s eyes” as to what really are the most critical issues. In end that’s what it’s all about- informing people of the FACTS (as opposed to spin) so they can make best informed decision.
      There were many going into Bush-GORR election who said- “OH well it really doesn’t matter who’s elected.”

      IT MATTERS- a lot.

      • Glenn

        It could have mattered if Nader was elected but not a dem/repub

    • Lin

      Powerful stuff. I agree, and I am sad.

    • nj_v2

      No, no, Obama will save us. blahblah He just needs more time. blahblahblah What more could he have done with all those nasty Republicans in the Congress?

  • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

    Fear, greed, anger, and prejudice will never go out of style in politics.  Us versus them is a world heritage classic.

  • Joshua Hendrickson

    Interesting that Oklahoma is the one thoroughly red state (except for Alaska) without a hint of blue. Consider that, until oil was discovered there, that was the one place in the continent that white men didn’t want at all (“Indian Territory”) … it must be cursed.

  • Joshua Hendrickson

    I used to say that if you were an economic conservative that we had a mere difference of opinion, but if you were a social conservative, that meant war. Now I understand that the social conservatives really are losing (or have lost) the war, which is why they’re so desperate (Rick Santorum, anyone?), and that, even here in blind/deaf/stupid America, people are slowly starting to wake up to the fact that conservative economics make no sense at all. Maybe things are looking up. Given the way the system is set up, it will be a long uphill battle to change things for the better, but it seems the battle has begun, and in the end, sheer numbers (of human beings, not phony-imaginary money) will make all the difference.Given the way the system is set up, it will be a long uphill battle to change things for the better, but it seems the battle has begun, and in the end, sheer numbers (of human beings, not phony-imaginary money) will make all the difference.

  • Zero

    I love it when they post these political maps.  When you see that counties with the highest property value vote blue…it flies in the face of that vapid “hard work” crap republicans like to say.

    Then there are those specks of blue in a sea of red–those specks of blue are where universities are. 

    • Dan

      Meaning that more intelligent, educated people tend to vote for Democratic candidates?

      • Mr. Trees

        While I think that this tends to be true, Universities carry a much larger young demographic that lends itself to a vote that is farther left in the spectrum.  Let’s not jump to conclusions on education and intelligence as a marker of political affiliation.  I know many people who, in their younger days were much more liberal and have become more conservative with age; almost all of them have college degrees.

        • Joshua Hendrickson

          Those people probably become more comfortable/frightened/nostalgic … all good reasons for deafening yourself to the voice of compassion….

    • TFRX

      My caveat on these maps is the useless empty “square miles mean something” representation, as if it was a game of Risk. So it’s not strange that only left-wingers care about it, while right-wingers and our “librul media” are fine with leaving the false eqvuivalency.

  • William

    So if the government is unable to delivery “the goodies” this map will stay the same?

    • TFRX

      Well, there’s “the government”, not to be confused with the party in government which doesn’t give a crap about governance.

  • Jasoturner

    I would prefer this map if it showed different shades of purple rather than just red and blue.  Red and blue suggests a rigid ideological dichotomy between states like Mass, say, and Texas.  But the fact is, there are conservative Americans and liberal Americans in both states.  Let’s not make things seem worse than they are by putting everyone in the majority “bucket” of their district and ignore our political diversity.

    • Modavations

      I love this guy.He was going on and on about elites,yet calls himself a Rationalist.What sort of fellow,other then an elitist, calls himself a Rationalist.What is a Rationalist.

      • Jasoturner

        Stay on topic, my friend.  And I explained what a rationalist is a few days ago.  Have you forgotten already?  If so, you can Google it.

        • Modavations

          I’m a salesman.I forget nothing.Not only do I know what you’ll say,I know approximately what time of day you’ll say it

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You have FORGOTTEN A LOT!!
               You ASSume a LOT MORE!!!

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Moda’s ‘chemical’, amnesia?

      • Dan

        A rationalist is someone who uses logic and reason to arrive at a conclusion. I am not surprised, based on your comments here, that you are not familiar with the concept.

        • Modavations

          I’m going to change my name to Modarations

  • Modavations

    Poppycock.In Ma.the # of Republicans has doubled.Sen.Brown is popular,Ms.Warren the spiritual leader,the fount,the ioddess of OWS is shunned.We have a weekly Social Agency outrage.Joe Kennedy,for instance paid himself 750,000.00 last year to ministrate Hugo’s blood oil to the poor.His wife works in said Agency for 250,000.00 per annum.Last weeks outrage was an other Social Agency called Life Focus Center in Charlestown.In stead of ministering the poor the fearless leader paid himself 200,000.00 per annum and his wife 85,000.00.They got busted charging trips to Disney,buying booze,lavish parties,on and on

    • Dan

      “. . . to ministrate Hugo’s blood oil to the poor?” Would you like to translate that into something intelligible?

      • Modavations

        Please….Seriously.Ask any poster from Ma.they’ll fill you in

  • Modavations

    Whenever a lefty writes a story saying how cool things are for Democrats, things are dismal.

  • Modavations

    Canada is run by Repubs.,Mexico is run by Repubs.,all of Europe except Belgium and Greece are run by Repubs.Belgium after two years without a govt.(no one noticed or cared)went Socialist,while Finland for the first time in 50 years,went right.Only the coasts of the U.S.remain in occupied hands

    • Dan

      In addition to being completely unable to write a correct English sentence, you also appear to be completely ignorant of the world.

    • ana

      A Repub in Canada would be a Democrat in USA.

      • Modavations

        Martin,then Harper.We have an effective Corporate tax of 31.5% and Canada has 15%

        • Dab200

          Could you please list 5 corporations that paid 31.5% in taxes? As far as I know thanks to all loopholes the actual rate is more often ZERO or even negative i.e. GE 

          • TFRX

            Tangent: We are 20% through the calendar year.

            And I’m wondering why public radio isn’t celebrating “tax freedom day” for these corporations who have long since “working for the government” this year.

    • Adks12020

      Last time I checked Canada has state healthcare.  Would repubs here allow that?  They also decriminlized marijuana. Would repubs here allow that?  I think you need to open your eyes pal.  Canadian politicians have been in the news many times in the past few years talking about how insane our political discourse has become because of the conservative right.

      • Modavations

        I’m open,but would much sooner have tort reform and insureres crossing state lines.Robust competition.We have 4 companies in Ma.that collude.I want 400.My mates in Belgium love socialized medicine.They pay,50% tax rates on $100,000.00 however.My cuz in Bologna loves socialized medicine and pay 55% tax.I pay 28% fed and 6% Ma….The Premier of New Foundland went to Miami to have his heart operation.

        • TFRX

          Tort reform, a.k.a “unilateral disarmament”, is the solution to nothing. Just ask McAllen, TX.

  • Modavations

    Wait till American Blacks realize they’ve been made a dependent class, by the Dem.Party and all for a vote.The overlord says if you want the check,I demand the Dem.Vote.

    • Dan

      Pure insanity.

      • Modavations

        Come on dude.Make an attempt at an intellectualization.You guys name call like 3 year olds.

  • AC

    if this is all true, & we are at the end of the Republican (or really conservative) parties, shouldn’t we have a little grace about it? Why be nasty and become the very thing you dislike?
    Some of the posts i just read through are so mean, they become pointless name-calling…
    let’s move forward with ‘reason’ behind our arguments, not as narcissistic hotheads

    • Modavations

      Please Madam,this is a leftist whose freaked outand is bucking up the troops.All men want freedom.Not in the Dem.-Orwellian sense of Animal Farmie;all animals are equal,but some moreso.

    • Modavations

      Remember when Jeffe68 told you to go die and you were thinking of never posting again.None of the Comrads stuck up for you.It was me and Gregg,commander of the liberated middle states

      • Anonymous

        Funny, you used threats against a poster the other day. Real threats about calling up their boss if you could find out where they lived and worked.
        Who the hell do you think you are? By what right do you get to come on a public forum and threaten people? You twist what they say to fill this forum with nasty rhetoric.

        • Modavations

          He posted a picture of a felon and said it was me.No proof,just a malicious temper tantrumThe felon is in Georgia.The admonishment on the site said,these felons may share common names with your “mark”.The people you point fingers at may be innocent.Use judiciously.He posted it rmaliciously.By the way,,we’ve made peace.

          PS-At first the picture was blocked and I said I’ll bet I’m better looking.I was right.I could have been dead,lying on the side of the hiway for a month and do indeed look better

        • Modavations

          It would have taken me one phone call to find out who he is

  • Modavations

    The vast majority of Americans want the XL Pipeline.Pres.Obama quaking that the Environmentalists will cut him off,bow to Gaiaists.Democrats love humanity,it’s humans they hate

    • Anonymous

      60% of Americans won’t have this thing going through their back yard threatening their water supplies… and they won’t have the waste products to deal with. XL is not about domestic oil, its about exporting oil to the rest of the world. That’s why it’s going to texas and not stopping at Montana or Wyoming or Norht Dakota where there are refineries.

      • Modavations

        They studied it for three years and they had all the paperwork.Robert Redford and the Gaiaists said,,Mr.Pres.don’t you dare.We have 80 zillion miles of pipe in the U.S..and there already exist pipelines going through the same locale.

        • Anonymous

          This is not about the pipeline, this is about exporting oil and importing sludge… why not build a refinery up there?

    • Dan

      One of the main criticisms of the current Republican party is that it has been overtaken by ignorant and/or insane people. The fact that you have posted a relatively large number of vacuous comments here in a short period of time, mostly irrelevant to the subject under consideration, seemingly in rehash of talking points that you have memorized from television or conservative talk radio, most of which make no sense whatsoever, and all of which are lacking in correct English usage, I can only conclude that you are the poster child for everything now wrong with the Republican party. William F. Buckley said he worked hard and long to rid the Republican part of the crazies, but it looks like they’re baaaaaaack!

      • notafeminista

        On of the main criticisms of the current Republican party accusing them of being insane or ignorant is leveled by Democrats.  No bias there.

        Geez.

  • Modavations

    Dem.want to tell us what Lt.Bulbs to use,what sugar to use,what cars to drive,what is in jnrs.lunch pail.Free men hate overlords saying Do As I Say,not As I do.

    • Dan

      Perhaps someone might take you more seriously if you learned to write a correct English sentence, though I admit it is somewhat doubtful. Why is it that there seems to be a correlation between the most ridiculous and foolish assertions from the right-wing base and a total inability to use correct English spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc.? Could it be that the right-wing base just isn’t very smart?

      • Modavations

        Me thinks you squirm too much

        • Anonymous

          Me thinks the lady protests to much.

    • ana

      It is called education-informing the populace of the finds of 21st century research into what is making us among the unhealthiest in the industrialized world.
      I have seen no mandates on sugar consumption, just an attempt to limit  ingredients that are incompatible with health. 
      I hope your desire for freedom and  indiscriminate eating works for you,  but please don’t mock those who heed current research. 

      • Modavations

        Males in the U.S,. live to 78 and females to 82.Where we you last week when they had the story about the Sugar Police?

      • notafeminista

        150 years ago the best research told surgeons not to wash their hands before surgery.  You’ll understand if I don’t rush to support any more “mandates” on consumption.

        • Anonymous

          Ahh, the red herring argument.
          Keep on eating as much sugar and HFCS as you want. When you get diabetes and have you’re feet amputated don’t say the research did not tell you this would happen.

          • notafeminista

            When the government comes and takes away the lunch you packed for yourself, purchased with money that you earned presumably at your job, using your skills and (assumed) talent..don’t come crying to me about a police state.

            Really.  Why is it the Left is so afraid to let people think for themselves?

          • TFRX

            At first I was gonna ask you for a cite, but then I remember where you get your “facts”.

          • Anonymous

            changing the subject is not an answer. I was not talking about lunch, and the dumb actions of one person in one school.  I’m not into the government making laws about sugar, I do think that HFCS is a different matter however. You don’t and you are not interested in looking at facts. You come on here and call people “lefty” because they don’t cow-tow to your ideology. Sorry I’m not buying.
             

    • Sam Walworth

       Heck, they also tell us to wear seat belts, not to drink and drive, obey the speed limits, and always drive on the Right side of the road..

      I am truly sick and tired of this government intrusion in my freedom.. thank goodness I live in a state which believes in Live Free or Die

  • Modavations

    George Bernard Shaw (?)said,those who pick the pockets of Peter to pay Paul can always depend on Paul.Peters broke, so that’s the end of that game

    • Dan

      Your comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

      • Modavations

        The Dem.party buys votes with social entitlements.They create a dependent class.The Reps. buy votes by letting us keep more of our own money.

  • Modavations

    If the story read,Dems.are doomed,give it up…..I’d be worried.

    • Dan

      Like everything else you have posted here this morning in your barrage of comments, this statement makes absolutely no sense at all. 

    • Dan

      Are you just going to fire off comments all morning, one after another after another, that are completely unintelligible? No one is going to take you seriously if you appear to be insane.

      • Modavations

        Free Speech and countervailing opinion is such a messy proposition.It’s so much easier playing by Animal Farm rules.No I’m off to flog jewelry.Thus my early blurb.

      • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

        Dan,

        Although I applaud your effort and agree with your sentiment, I’ll have to put my money on Modavations.  In boxing terms, he has the stamina of Randall “Tex” Cobb.  He’ll take the best you can dish out and be heavily outpointed for 14 rounds.  He will still shuffle out of his corner to start the fifteenth, bloody and swollen, looking for the knockout.

        I’ll still enjoy the first 14 though…

        • TFRX

          I wouldn’t sit through 15 rounds of that from a ringside seat.

          OTOH I’ll put a fin on Moda to put brass knuckles in his gloves while decrying “incivility”.

      • Anonymous

        Why should today be any different?

      • Guest

        Too Late! He is insane. Did you read his post on PhD’s???? He doesn’t know that there are FAR MORE PhD’s who are Democrats than Republicans; in fact, that goes across the board. There are FAR MORE Democrats who have any college degree then do Republicans. These are facts so go look it up. It’s published EVERY YEAR.

  • Yar

    You organize with what you have, you can’t blame republicans, most of the highly educated are already in a different party.  The wealthy need a political party to push their me first agenda.  In the economics of divide and win politics they exploit single issue voters to that end.  You gotta give it to republican leaders, they are pretty smart, they get the majority of their party to vote against their own economic self interest.  Our country is so polarized, it is a wonder it works at all.  No matter which party you belong to, it is important that we stay a civil union.  How can this hour be used to show we all have a stake in survival of the whole nation? I see many parallels to Lincoln in 1864, his reelection was possible because the south didn’t count.  I believe many of red counties feel just as disenfranchised today.  

    • Modavations

      Show me a study that say more PHDs are Democrats.Abe Lincoln,is the founder of the Republican Party.The Whigs became the Republicans.Herr  Adams,The Boston Tea Party and the Sons of Liberty are the Republican Party

      • Yar

        You are busy this morning, more than 2 dozen comments already. Why does this subject get your juices flowing so freely? I am glad to hear from you, when the guy in the corner quits rocking you can expect that somebody will get hurt. As long as we are talking, maybe we won’t take up arms against each other. We should respect our democracy, even with the corruption of money in politics it is still the best system available. I wonder if it is political polarization which caused the Judas act by the soldier who recently killed 16 civilians in Afghanistan. He apparently did not respect the chain of command. President Obama is also the ultimate leader of the military. Why is there so much hate?
        How much damage is caused when our President is denigrated? I am concerned about the disenfranchised. Do you see our President as your President? How close is our nation to another civil war?

    • TFRX

      Nothing about our mediascape, Yar?

      For my money we can’t address “How smart the GOP is” without the echo chamber inside the Beltway greasing the skids and adapting all their narratives. Every Republican out there is bestowed the mantle of “fiscally conservative” (no passing a balanced budget neeted), “fambly values” (you know the specific subset I’m talking about) and “strong for America” (no matter how many wars they lie us into or terrorism leaders they give up looking for).

      We’re also dealing with excessive “horserace” coverage which, if found at any racetrack, would get a race-caller fired.

      And my usual comment about polarization applies here: Our media calls it a crisis!!1!one! specifically when a Democrat starts talking about taking their own side in a fight.

  • Modavations

    This morning Pres.Obama has an approval rating of 41%.Inflation is probably about 8%.I classify this article as “Whistling By The Graveyard)

    • BHA in Vermont

       “The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 10% of
      Likely U.S. Voters now rate Congress’ performance as good or excellent.
      That’s up from five percent (5%) last month and the highest positive finding since last March. But 63% still think Congress is doing a poor job, although that down from 70% a month ago. ”

      “Just 32% have a favorable opinion of House Speaker John Boehner. 
      Twenty-nine percent (29%) say the same of former Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
      On the Senate side, 27% offer a positive opinion of Mitch McConnell, and
      24% view Harry Reid favorably.”

      Doesn’t sound at all good for any of them. Obama’s 41%, while hardly stellar, looks good by comparison.

  • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

    There is always the risk that as the American population is confronted with a long and painful decline, it will react by embracing the philosophy of the far right.  Xenophobia and militarism aren’t that much of a reach for us anyway.  The first half of the last century has many examples of disaffected populations moving in just such a direction.

  • Guest

    Let’s see, the Republican party represent people who believe the government is out to get us, pornography for healthcare contraception, that black presidents are aliens, and that US citizens are snobs for wanting college education, and that laws that prevent the 2008 market crash should be lifted.  It’s only fair.  America is democracy and conspiracy theorist, religious zealots, gold bugs, and other nut jobs need their party.

    This is good news.  The more they swing not to the left or right, but to the ludicrous side, it means more space for a 3rd party, one with moderate Republican AND Democratic views.

    • TFRX

      If you want a candidate with moderate Republican and Democratic views, you could do much worse than President Obama.

      Perhaps we are seeing the effects of all that mainstream media coverage telling people that each party is getting their crazy on and becoming more left-wing (D) and right-wing (R) in the face of all measurable evidence.

  • Modavations

    Eric Holder thinks Latinos in Texas are too stupid to have picture I.D.s, so he’s negated Texas’ new voter laws.There are reasons for States Rights,Mr Pres..They are checks and balances…..Come on Moda the Constitiution is an evolving document,so archaic

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      Your ignorance of the law is only outmatched by your zeal to reveal it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Unemployment is dropping, house sales are rising, economy is improving – it doesn’t leave the Republicans a lot to talk about.

  • Guest
  • Ray in VT

    It’s always the end of America as we know it in one sense or another.  The country that we know and have grown up in is a far different one than that of our parents.  That’s the way that it is, and that is that way that it has been since before our founding.  Change is always a constant.

    Several years ago the GOP was talking about a permanent majority, and that didn’t last too long, so one shouldn’t get too far ahead of oneself.  Although, if the GOP remains as dependent upon the Caucasian vote, given current population trends, then they are in trouble in the long term.  Parties, though, often change some positions in order to meet current political conditions.  If they don’t, then they fall by the way side.

  • BHA in Vermont

    Well isn’t this a topic to bring out vile comments from both sides :)

    We will have swings in “power” from party to party until the House and Senate figure out that it is their JOB to move the ENTIRE country forward. Party A is in power and nothing good gets done so we vote in Party B. Rinse and repeat. And repeat and repeat and repeat.

    I have little hope for the future based on what we’ve seen the past few decades. You’ll note that there is never a huge majority of one party in either the House or Senate. What does that mean? That the “average American” is neither far right nor far left. But what do we see in campaigns? “I’m more right/left than the other candidates so vote for me”. And what do we get in Washington DC? Reject everything the “other side” wants and hold out for the next election.

    • Lars in MA

      Smart objective assessment. 

  • http://freeourfreemarkets.org Steve Banicki

    America is in danger because the Republican party as we knew it is lost. They drank too much tea.

    I am a free market conservative. I voted republican in every presidential election since 1968, except one. It is obvious that our government must live within its means and do so in a manner as not to interfere with a functioning free market economy. If we desire to take control of government, we must demand government carry out one of its primary functions; protecting free markets from tyranny, both public and private. We are vocal about defending it from public tyranny, but silent when it comes to tyranny in the private sector.
    “Experience should teach us to be most on guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficial. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greater dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.” Justice Louis Brandeis 1928Today our focus seems to be only on the tyranny of government when it comes to free markets. We need to find the right balance. Read More:  http://goo.gl/av1Om

  • Chris

    The Republicans are anti labor. Anti rights. Anti education. Anti middle class and poor.
    They lie and lie and lie to the middle class to get their votes and then they work for the criminal rich.

  • Consultant

    This election will be a comfortable win for the Repubs – by at least 5%

    • goldbug

      what do you base that on?

      • Chris

        The Republicans all over the country are passing laws to make sure students, seniors and poor people can’t vote. That’s what he’s basing it on.

    • Ray in VT

      Any particular one?  Pres. I figure that you’re talking about.  Care to elaborate?  Most recent polls show it fairly close.

    • Bgaidry

      That’s a pretty confident prediction. Are you a Diebold voting machine hacker?

    • Anonymous

      If the Latino vote, which is poling at about 14% for the GOP, comes out in high numbers I doubt the GOP will have trouble winning.
      They are now alienating centrist women. Women are about 53% of the voting population. If enough of them stay home or vote for Obama the Republicans are toast.

  • Still Here

    Urban ghettos are all Democrat.  What does that tell you?

    • Chris

      Look at the poorest places in the country. The SOUTH. All deep RED.

    • Anonymous

      That’s an interesting theory. Stereotyping Urban ghettos.
      Posting inflammatory rhetoric, that’s a good idea.
      There is more poverty in rural areas than in cities such as Boston or Baltimore. Poverty is an awful state to be in no matter where you live.  What’s your point, that poor folk tend to vote for Democrats.

    • TFRX

      That meth labs and the poor white people in those neighborhoods are well-hidden and in the middle of nowhere?

  • Still Here

    Blighted urban areas across the country are all Democrat.  What does that tell you?

    • Chris

      The SOUTH, ALL RED, is the poorest areas of the country.

      • Bgaidry

        Poorest, and most uneducated. It is no coincidence that poor, uneducated, republicans continually vote against their own self interests.

        • notafeminista

          It is no coincidence the poorest part of the country had abolitionist states imposing their values on the south to the point of literal bloodshed and violence – and then jammed as much government help as they could stand down the South’s throat (after pretty much devastating both the population and the landscape)as they could stand.

          Reap what you sow man.  You create a dependency state, people will depend on it.  Dang.

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      That if Republicans want to win over minorities, they’re going to have to stop blaming them for the conditions of the place they live in?

      • notafeminista

        If Democrats want to win over the opposition they’re going to have to stop calling them ignorant and crazy.

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          There are four candidates for the Republican nomination. Two are party icons (or at least, used to be), one is ignorant, and one is crazy.

          The point of the article is that Democrats don’t have to win over the opposition. If we compare this to seige warfare, the Democrats are simply loading the catapults while the Republicans try to figure out what to do with the rotting corpses.

          • notafeminista

            See what you did there?  People don’t like it when you call them stupid and crazy.  But keep doing it.  I like how the Left keeps doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            No way! Folks don’t like it when I make fun of public figures that they like? Go figure!

            I like how small-minded people get tripped up by colorful language, and perpetually miss the point. Maybe I need to spell it out: I’m not trying to convince you of anything.

          • notafeminista

            No.  The President and his party are.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            I’m not convinced that they are, and that you persist in thinking this suggests that you didn’t understand Jonathan Chait’s piece. Or didn’t read it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Umm – the areas blighting the fastest these days are the suburbs.

  • margaret / Omaha, NE

    Democrats have felt George W. Bush ended the good that had occurred during past presidencies. 2 wars, Privacy invasion and laws through Home Land Security. Personality conflicts between the CIA and Department of Defense.
    Our Party voted in a moderate who stated he would work toward compromise.
    The Republican Party has failed the people and The Tea Party became the hissing snake at any movement toward compromise.
    The World is changing and America is no longer an all white male private club.
    Republicans need to vote for change or risk diminishing their position as an American Political Party.
    Civility was lost under George W. Bush, Can Republicans find their civility.
    My father always said “when one stops growing one is dead.”

  • William

    If this was true, why were the Democrats so soundly defeated in the last Congressional election?

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      Voter turnout.

    • Anonymous

      When a 58 year old woman from Iowa City, who is a Republican Evangelical says eh might vote for President Obama due the the GOP’s stance on woman’s issues you know you are in trouble. 

      • William

        What is the GOP stance on woman’s issues?

        • TFRX

          Does someone want to explain to William what “transvaginal” means, let along “medically unnecessary”?

        • Anonymous

          On health care, not so good.
          Are you paying attention to what just went down in Texas?

  • Ca

    I’d urge Republican voters to really ask themselves what has changed in their daily life since Obama came into office. Are their guns gone?  Is the government dictating their medical care?  Has a socialist bank taken over their checking account?  Not at all.

  • John in Amherst

    Fear mongering is the GOP stock in trade.  Want to gin up the base?  Play the paranoia card.  Push back on the Righteous Right’s increasing efforts to roll back the clock on morality is not the end of the GOP unless the party chooses to drink that koolaid.  The GOP and its minions like ALEC have been laying the foundation for a take-over of the political landscape from the local level on up for the last 30 years, and have made significant gains in these efforts.  But their coalition of libertarian teabaggers, fiscal conservatives, neo-con hawks, bigots, billionaires and “christian fundamentalists” is eroding as those disparate factions realize their agendas are not all in perfect alignment.  The GOP has a chosen to demonize those who do not share their views, and this view does not permit internal disent.  It is way past time that the fiscal conservatives and libertarians realize the Righteous Right seeks to infringe on their personal freedoms and rights.  It is time for the “Christian Fundamentalists” to realize that super-rich bullies like the Koch boys are anything but charitable toward the poor, the stranger, the imprisoned, the sick, the flock of Jesus, they are only seeking ways to consolidate wealth and power.  Etc., etc.  The demise of the bloated big-tent version of the GOP may be endangered, but only because those in the big tent are waking up to their mutual incompatibilities. 
    A two party system is necessarily always in flux, because no two parties can forever claim the loyalties of the multitudes of interest groups they struggle to stitch together.     

  • MarkVII88

    The Republican rhetoric this election season seems to be focused only on how they will reverse virtually everything that has been changed in the last three and a half years.  They generally aren’t putting forth ideas about how to improve the situation of the nation but how the current president and the Democrats have ruined America and their work needs to be cancelled at all costs.  This isn’t an election strategy by the Republicans, it’s an anti-election strategy to appeal to voters who are old enough to remember a time of plenty when everyone had a house with a white picket fence. 

    • Fredlinskip

       The “reverse eveything” rhetoric is the same we heard before Bush/Gorr election.
      And W  DID reverse everything.
       
        That’s how we went from a time when nation’s biggest problem was what to do with O.J.Simpon-
       to where we are today.

  • Ray in VT

    I think that there is some fear among certain segments of the population that fear that their morals and values are under assault. 

    Take for instance those who oppose gay marriage.  Several states have recently legalized it, and it has consistently tracked upwards in national opinion polls.  If you think that the issue is some sort of existential threat to human society, then you are likely to feel threatened.

  • Anonymous

    What is the difference between us and the Romans or the
    Nazi’s… our laws and common goals. The fear mongering, derisive, divisive politics of the Republican party pandering to the lunatic fringe is destroying their party and brings America one step closer to becoming a racist ‘Christian’ state. But what is ‘Christian’? In pre-revolutionary America we had sectarian violence:
    Protestants and Catholics murdering each other. This is why the founding fathers embraced separation of church and state. But now fringe Republicans are trying to redefine America in their own image, but they will never ultimately be able to agree as has been true for millennia. Will they ever learn?

    If they would learn math and study facts, maybe then we
    could work together to solve our problems instead of embracing magical thinking that we can cut taxes on everybody and maintain a strong military and not destroy the very programs that nearly everyone wants and will need in their retirement: Medicare and Social Security. If they’d get a clue and go shopping for healthcare, they would find that they would never ever be able to retire and afford healthcare on their own. And yes Virginia, Medicare is a big government program… and many seniors thank God for it.

  • Isaac, in Groton CT

    Jonathan Chait writes at NY Magazine, “None of this is to say that Republicans ignored the rising tide of younger and browner voters that swamped them at the polls in 2008. Instead they set about keeping as many of them from the polls as possible.”

    I’ve noticed this tactical choice, as well, and I can’t help but see it as a mistake. Rather than recognize the national demographic shift as a mountain to be climbed, Republicans have cast it as a dragon to be slain.

    While it’s possible they can rally enough support now to win 2012, that won’t change the long-term picture. And at some point, the choice to double-down and alienate hispanic voters will harm the GOP in the same way that the choice to alienate black voters did.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The Republicans talked themselves into a corner by being unable to admit that anything has improved under Obama – instead of admitting things have improved, under programs that were initiated largely under the previous administration. Now they are stuck talking about religion, doomsday and contraceptives.

  • Objeta

    I wonder if any commentators will be willing to address the subterranean racism coursing beneath the apocalyptic Republican rhetoric. A scarily huge number of Americans just cannot tolerate the notion that a non-white would be elected to the highest office in the land, no matter what his/her qualifications. This is what the “end of the world” is all about–racial mixing–exactly what motivated Hitler and the Nazis. 

  • MarkVII88

    The Republicans are trying to paint this election the following way, in simple terms that will ring with voters who don’t care enough to get the facts. 
    Obama/Dems = Gays, and Gays are bad
    Obama/Dems = Abortions for all, and all abortions are bad
    Obama/Dems = Take your $$$ to give to the lazy unemployed
    Obama/Dems = Hates your religion
    Obama/Dems = Take medical care away from seniors
    Obama/Dems = Wants the terrorists to win
    Obama/Dems = Wants to give your job to illegal Mexicans

    Did I miss any???

    • TFRX

      There’s a whole slew of “Not but” denials, kept on life support throughout “polite media” by our librul media.

      “If President Obama says he’s a Christian, I guess he is.”
      “I’m not going to weigh in on the President’s religion.”

  • Mprufer

    “On average, conservative states feature more “dependency” on federal programs
    than do liberal ones. You can slice this kind of data in a variety of
    ways, but you always end up with the same aggregate pattern. It happens
    to be the case that the richest parts of the United States (think the
    San Francisco Bay area or Connecticut) favor Democrats and also that
    conservative areas of the country are overrepresented in the Senate.
    Transfers, on average, flow away from high-income and underrepresented
    areas and toward low-income and overrepresented areas.” http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/02/14/how_blue_america_subsidizes_red_america.html

  • Objeta

    I would have thought that the Republicans would have admired the Obama administration’s continuation and exacerbation of Bush era War on Terror measures: ramping up the war in Afghanistan; assassination of American citizens without judicial review; secret surveillance of Muslim-Americans…

    • BHA in Vermont

       They can’t say that because it doesn’t fit with the “Everything Obama has done was BAD BAD BAD and *I* would have done MUCH MUCH MUCH better” model.

  • MarkVII88

    The Republicans are trying to boil down this election very simply so that their electorate who doesn’t take time or care enough to get the facts will vote with their emotions.  They’re casting Obama and the Dems the following ways.  That they will take grandma’s Medicare and send her to the grave.  That the country will be overrun with married gay couples and people getting abortions.  That they hate YOUR religion and want to give your hard-earned money to illegal immigrants or the lazy unemployed.  That they want the terrorists to win.  Did I miss any???

    • Doubting Thomas

      Nope. They’re just like the pharisees of old, who were only too happy to put on the cloak of religion to commit grand theft. It brings nothing but sadness to think that people associate my religion with the likes of them.

    • Doubting Thomas

      (“Nope” meaning that no, you didn’t miss anything. Your analysis is spot on.)

    • tiredofhate

      That Obama is really a Muslim, and not a US citizen.  That raising taxes will put the country into a deep depression. That the Dems will install more activist judges.

    • BHA in Vermont

       I think you put the Medicare bit on the wrong political side. It is the Republicans who want to cut Medicare and medicaid to help balance the budget.

  • Angela

    The GOP downfall came insisting everyone, from every
    walk, abide ‘morals and values’, by way of bullying government policy.  Such things (i.e., contraception, sexuality,
    etc.) are intensely personal, and have absolutely no place in the public forum.
     From social to economic issues, Republicans long ago forgot that in
    order to have a thriving, cooperative society, you also have to care about the well-being of
    people you DON’T know.      

  • Chris

    The America we know and love was stolen from us by the criminal elite, the treasonous multi-national corporations,
    and the corrupt politicians that they buy. 

    And I sincerely believe that is both sides of the aisle. Although the Republicans are more evil.

    • Doubting Thomas

      Agreed. The Dems are more stupid than evil, methinks. Although the allegations against the Clintons, selling our ASAT tech to China, are disturbing.

  • John in Vermont

    I’ve been telling people for a while that the Tea Party and what we’re seeing on the GOP campaign trail is the last gasp of scared old white people.  As the next Bob Dylan might write to them “Your old road is rapidly aging.”

  • Mprufer

    “From the Economist:  SOME American states receive more in federal spending than they pay in
    federal taxes; others receive less. Over twenty years these fiscal
    transfers can add up to a sizeable sum. From 1990 to 2009, the federal
    government spent $1.44 trillion in Virginia but collected less than $850
    billion in taxes, a gap of over $590 billion. But relative to the size
    of its economy, Virginia derived a smaller benefit from America’s fiscal
    union than states like New Mexico, Mississippi and West Virginia, where
    the 20-year transfer exceeded 200% of their annual GDP.”

  • Chris

    Paul Ryan and all of his “buddies” are in for a rude awakening if they think that voting to cut Social Security and Medicare is going to get them re-elected.

    People of this country are not going to stand for that while the rich get richer and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes.

    • Pete

      The rude awaking is going to come to people who are expecting their Social Security payments and won’t receive anything because the system is on a trajectory to bankruptcy. You better hope somebody in political class has the gonads to reform the system. Since the rich already pay the bulk of the Federal government’s tax receipts, how do you define “fair share?”

      • Chris

        A government that prints money can’t go bankrupt.

        TAX THE RICH. THEY HAVE STOLEN ALL THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!

      • Chris

        The military budget is 1.2 trillion a year.

        It doubled in the past decade.

        CUT IT IN HALF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Once that is done we can talk about cutting SS and Medicare.

      • TFRX

        The last thing SocSec needs is anyone in our “political class” to try to “save it” with “reform”.

        When Republicans, “sensible” Democrats, and the mainstream media all agree about “reforming Social Security” that’s when I hold onto my wallet.

  • jim_thompson

    Last time i checked the America I know and love not only is still strong, but growing stronger and improving.  Some of that improvment comes from an enlightened outlook about others.  It’s too bad that the party of Lincoln has now reverted to going backwards where not only churches are free to discriminate, but the old ways will rear their wretched heads.  I was a center right GOP voter all my life(from 1972), that changed in 2008.  Will never vote for the fear mongering GOP and the Paul Ryan ilk that would take away medicare, social security and all that is good…while deregulating anything for Wall St., the creditors and corporations.  Not  that the Democratic Party gets a free pass either.

    Jim Thompson, Fort Mill,SC
    PS  Jim DeMint is an embarassment!

    • BHA in Vermont

       The difference, as my daughter has said many times, is that the Republicans of the 19th century became the Democrats of the 20th century. Lincoln didn’t start the CURRENT Republican party.

      • Fredlinskip

         AGREED.
         Although I rarely hear it expressed, Lincoln was Progressive, who fought against those in South   who wished to maintain the Conservative policy of  Slavery in  the South.
        Progressives & Conservatives have switched allegiances to party several times in our history , Conservatives of today pretend that Lincoln represented their philosophy.
        No way.
        There is no such thing as a “Lincoln Republican” in today’s party. They would be Dem.

  • Mwilbert

    The quote from Newt Gingrich actually puts things into perspective: this is a long-term (he says 80-year) trend. There have been lots of elections in that period, and none of them stopped it.  US elections slow things down or speed things up, but they don’t stop underlying cultural changes.

  • Quadraticus

    Can you please ask your guest to SPEAK UP and to stop trailing off at the end of his sentences? At least turn up the gain or compression on his mic.

  • Chris

    2 parties, 1 master, the criminal elite.

    We need to wake up and change this corrupt system.

  • Anonymous

    Well, Mr, Romney. The old American way isn’t working is it ?
    Why do you think we are in such a mess?

  • Mprufer

    From my earlier posts — the facts are clear — the Red States recieve more Federal Money than do Blue States — Red States are subsidized by Blue States.  The right spins it, seamingly to indicate that it is the republicans (red) states subsidizing the Blue (Democratic) States.  The facts are the facts. 

  • Bob

    Oh, come on. This sort of nonsense comes around about one party or the other every couple years. For many years the Democrats were a loose coalition of random liberal views that often didn’t mesh very well. The Republicans for the past couple decades were often united under social issues. Now the Republicans may be fragmenting a bit, but this is a natural progression of shifts that happen every couple decades in each party.

    Unfortunately, the best thing that could come out of something like this would be the emergence of new parties. But the Dems and Reps won’t let it.

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      I’m not able to listen to the show, Bob, so I don’t know if you’re talking about something said on air. But Chait’s article had nothing to do with a fragmented Republican Party, and everything to do with a Republican Party clinging to a dwindling demographic.

  • Gilscotheron

    Santorum, is an idiot.  the task of making this guy an idiot is difficult because it would have to be based on a premis that there is some shred of credibility in this assholes views.  Picking through his retch  is a disgusting exercise. 

    I am not on board with Obamas denigration of our civil liberties like passing laws  that negate Habeus corpus. it is frightening to think that a neo Nazi  freak like Santorum or a wing nut like Gingrich could take hold of those reigns . America is headed into the toilet with these choices.

    Look when you have a guy like Corzine who bought off Obama witha half million dollar gift and put his boyo Gensler in charge of the CFTC ther is a problem in America our choices are retched.

  • Anonymous

    It used to be that CORPORATIONS used to offer the benefits that people are now looking to the GOVERNMENT to provide.

    Thank YOU Quarterly Earning Statements!

    So it seems to me that we are not fighting for the SOUL of America but instead for the things the Middle Class NEEDS to remain Middle Class.

  • Guest

    The Obama admin likes US energy so much that under his administration, he has taken deep sea permits from 10 per month under bush to 2 per month and shallow water permits from 15
    per month to 2 per month and the time needed to get government approval related to drilling has increased by 100-150%

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      Much of that has to do with the drilling disaster that you might recall and the regulatory flaws it revealed. I mean, unless you like that oil rigs appear to have identical emergency-response plans, copied and pasted from something that obviously wasn’t an oil rig.

    • TFRX

      Isn’t domestic oil production up under Obama?

      I guess when God Himself picked an oilman to be our president in 2000 He should have picked an oilman who’d actually found some oil during that phase of his career.

      • Brandstad

        Oil production is up due to exploration on private land, and public land opened up during the Bush administration.  Oil drilling usually takes a considerable amount of time witch often takes years because of government regulations.

        • TFRX

          Sounds like you got a bone to pick with every ignorant rightie who bellows “Drill baby drill and gas prices will go down yesterday”.

          And while you’re at it, Fox News says there’s nothing a president can do to affect gas prices directly and quickly. Of course that was the Fox news which propagandized before Obama was president, so we know that everything changed.

  • Tina

    These Republican candidates are like the kid in high school who wanted desperately to be in the Honors Classes; yet he never got in.  Then, 7 years after high school, he runs into one of the Honors kids who is busy trying to get into the right doctoral program in American history for him.  The Would-Be guy looks down his nose as he talks about owning his own dog food company with manufacturing in China, just before he zooms off in his Lexus saying out the window, “I listened to the Founders”.  

    • Tina

      Should have been phrased, “trying to get into the right doctoral program for him in American history”

      Sorry

  • Sistervera

    I am so tired of listening to news about Republican primaries.  I’m about to switch to sports radio!  How the Republicans can bamboozle the people they hurt the most by their policies is beyond my ken.  Let’s get it over already!!

  • Josh

    The hyperbole is both screechy and amusing.  If this is truly the most important election in several generations, what does it say about the Republican Party that its field only consists of washed-up politicians that have been out office for years and quixotic dreamers who are woefully unprepared for leadership?

  • Josh

    One after another, GOP party leaders passed on the opportunity to run for President this time.  Are they draft dodgers in the great war to save America?

  • Bsull

    This is a key time in our history, a turning point, but we addressing the wrong ones in this election. How can we ignore the 7 billion population explosion, expected to reach 9 billion in forty years, climate change and the threats to agriculture it poses, for example, and the changing world economics based on the rise of China and India? 

  • Anonymous

    I agree with the caller: Republican rhetoric is smoke and mirrors. They are rallying their fringe around emotional issues, but the real issue which is that too many Senators and Congressman are corporate tools. This is the real threat to our democracy. This is THE ISSUE that we need to be wrestling with, but the GOP is not talking about the subversion of democracy by their billionaire backers… and yes, there are plenty of Democrats with leashes around their necks.

    • Bgaidry

      Agreed. A majority of dems, repubs and indys all agree that getting big money out of government and politics is the biggest threat to democracy in America. A third party who ran on this issue alone would clean house, (White house, House of Representatives).

  • AC

    i hate to ‘paste’ quotes, but one by one of my favorite people – he sort of knew these things would befall us:
    “In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution. For when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does; and I think it will astonish our enemies, who are waiting with confidence to hear that our councils are confounded like those of the Builders of Babel; and that our States are on the point of separation, only to meet hereafter for the purpose of cutting one another’s throats. Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure, that it is not the best. The opinions I have had of its errors, I sacrifice to the public good. I have never whispered a syllable of them abroad. Within these walls they were born, and here they shall die. If every one of us in returning to our Constituents were to report the objections he has had to it, and endeavor to gain partizans in support of them, we might prevent its being generally received, and thereby lose all the salutary effects & great advantages resulting naturally in our favor among foreign Nations as well as among ourselves, from our real or apparent unanimity. Much of the strength & efficiency of any Government in procuring and securing happiness to the people, depends, on opinion, on the general opinion of the goodness of the Government, as well as of the wisdom and integrity of its Governors. I hope therefore that for our own sakes as a part of the people, and for the sake of posterity, we shall act heartily and unanimously in recommending this Constitution (if approved by Congress & confirmed by the Conventions) wherever our influence may extend, and turn our future thoughts & endeavors to the means of having it well administred.”
    B Franklin (who else?!)

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      Out of that, I get, “It’s better not to explain how sausage is made. Just tell your customers to enjoy it.”

      • notafeminista

        What do you expect from Leftists.  “We know better than you do.  Trust us.”

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          If you’re calling Benjamin Franklin a leftist, then I suppose.

        • AC

          what he was, was actually a patriot…

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Yes, Ben Franklin:

      “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

      We are very close with 47% now paying no income taxes.

      • TFRX

        Federal Income Tax. If you’re going to peddle that crap about “lucky duckies”, at least get your crap straight.

        And let’s not hear any future concern trolling supporting corporations who pay “all the taxes they are required to by law”. You can’t pretend to have it both ways.

  • Scott B, Jamestown

    All the Right has is fear, and exploiting ignorance.  They won’t speak about when someone says Obama’s a Muslim; they gerrymander district lines in contortions worthy of a yogi; they cry “voter fraud” when study after study show virtually no fraud, and what little there is tends to be for things like someone forgetting they voted somewhere else or wearing a “Vote for ____” and hanging around a polling station; sponsoring voter ID laws that not only would hurt minority votes, but typically Democratic voters in big cities, like NYC, where many people don’t have drivers licenses because of the access to public transportation. 

    But they wrap this fear-mongering up with a bow saying that they’re trying to “save America” from itself.

  • Markus

    I don’t like simplistic cliches, but I think it’s largely true that democracy only works until the people figure out they can vote themselves the money. I think the number of people being supported by the government in one way or another has reached the point where there’s more people dependent on it than are not. Hard to see them voting against their immediate self interest.  

  • Jim

    One reason GOP wants presidency so badly now: Sup Ct is poised not only to decide individual cases in ways that favor conservatives, but to upset decades of settled doctrine and lock in new constitutional law: barring individual mandate for health insurance, corporations as people, money as speech, blurring the line between church and state, federal oversight of elections through the Voting Rights Act, rights for women and gays. If Democrats growing demography translates into a few consecutive Democratic presidencies, GOP can’t use the courts to hold back communitarian trends.   

  • Mprufer

    Republican’s want to re-litigate the Civil War. Perhaps reconstruction was over-rated! Maybe, we do have two Americas un-united.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Huh?

  • Ellen Dibble

    Ah, the shape of the future.  And what we know about politics is that Democrats, thanks to lobbyists, also represent same-old, same-old.  Didn’t Olympia Snowe step out saying that the Democrats hadn’t been forthcoming in the Senate to solve problems (either)?
        The problem is that the future, the blueprint for the future, really isn’t on offer this election.  Obama is what he is.  The Democrats are what they are.  The Republican offerings do have to do with the shining past:  who we were rising to predominance after World War II.  Or Rising to our feet at the time of our founding.  
        Can we go backwards and recover that?  Nope.
        But what are a couple of good alternatives?  Or is this a one-vision state, a vote-or-don’t-vote state.  Take it or take it.  
        This is no last gasp of Republicanism.  Real changes are happening in spite of us.

    • TFRX

      Snowe’s comments were entirely predictable. A retiring Republican from the “60 is the new 51″ Senate may not be the most reliable narrator on who is disappointing whom.

      All those holds and filibusters, and the Dems (I’m figuring she means the genuine lefties, not the conserva-dems) are the ones who hurt her feelings, leading to “not getting anything done”?

      • Ellen Dibble

        It was predictable, but I really appreciated her taking the opportunity to say it.  

        • TFRX

          I’ll pass on Snowe’s false equivalence. No hosannahs from me.

          Maybe if President Obama took up just one more centrist idea that made some policy sense, and which the GOP had favored until the second Obama said “That sounds workable; let’s talk”, he would have won over some of these fretting GOP moderates.

          (Aw, who am I kidding?)

    • Anonymous

      Ellen, I think when Snowe said Congressional Dems hadn’t been particularly helpful either, she was simply balancing what she had said about her own party.  She knows, and we know, that however imperfect Dems are (and they are!), they bent themselves into weird shapes in an effort to accommodate the obduracy of the other side and actually accomplish something.  She sometimes voted with them.

      Good alternatives?  Change our habits.  Demand more — much more hard news, much less opinion and fewer fancy dance steps — from our information providers.  Use peer pressure to get voters to pay more attention to the “weeds” — the facts as distinct from casual projections. Use the same peer pressure to put an end to overt racism and casual classism in media and in our political deliberations. And use (you and I have discussed this before) our economic power as consumers to fight against the encroachment of corporations on our political system.  See the withdrawal of (as of today) 141 advertisers from one scurrilous and shameless talk show host.

  • Salzburg

    So far the turn outs have been low, so one cannot base this as a fair representation of America.

  • Kejad

    Please don’t think Republicans are “anti-government” or anti-welfare.  They LOVE big, decrepit bureaucracies, but they love THEIR big, decrepit bureaucracies: law enforcement and defense.  This country hasn’t had an existential threat since 1860, yet no conservative will stand up and talk about waste or big government when it comes to the DoD.  These are giant jobs programs for conservative white men.  (Don’t think I’m a bleeding-heart hippie, either.  I spent my army career in the 82nd Airborne and special operations.  I did some govt consulting after and never saw as much waste and mismanagement anywhere else outside defense.)

  • tired of hate

    The America we know has been an illusion.  What is the America we know?  Things change, but politicians do not.  They will say what it takes to get elected.  And if you check the RNC’s latest memo about talking points it probably includes “this is out last chance, etc, blah, blah, blah.
    The Republicans got us into this mess, by not doing anything in the last 3 years, and by being in power for 8 years before that.  Remember the surplus from the Clinton years? Newt is slimy, Santorum is like Chicken Little, Mitt is just a liar, and Ron Paul is half liberal, and half libertarian.

  • Busara1

    By definition, conservative means holding on to the status quo, which is impossible.  Conservatives are bound to lose because change is inevitable.

  • RC

    The GOP has been co-opted by the ignorant, Fox News-believing, hate-filled igonrami personified by neon bible toting liars like Rick Santorum. I’m all for the GOP dying a horrible death this year.

  • Anonymous

    The caller who’s offended about the Right claiming to be the only side with Values is SPOT ON!

    Since when is Being your Brother’s Keeper NOT a VALUE?

    Since when is being a BIGOT considered to be a VALUE?

    I agree with the caller!  I find the right very offensive when they talk about having values because it seems to me that they’re all going to burn in hell for their hatred and judgement.

    • notafeminista

      Well.  We know hell doesn’t exist right?

      • Anonymous

        They don’t!  ;)

        • notafeminista

          You so gloriously missed the point. Never mind.

      • Isaac, in Groton CT

        Never been to a Republican National Convention, then?

        • notafeminista

          The DCCC assured me they know better.

        • http://subnumine.livejournal.com/ Subnumine

          But that’s only Purgatory. It does end, really it does.

      • Bgaidry

         Hell is man made, figuratively and literally. It’s not a place at the fiery core of the Earth, but the fiery policies of hateful, greedy people can make life Hell for every living thing ON earth.

        • notafeminista

          Okay.  Prove it.

    • http://subnumine.livejournal.com/ Subnumine

      Since 1861.

  • Dave

    Tom, I see the urgency somewhat differently.  Demography plays a role, but I think what the candidates are referring to is a slide into “Socialism”.   They have been hammering away at this since Obama took office.  He’s different, perhaps a Muslim, possibly not born in the US, etc.  He’s been called a socialist and even a Nazi.   That kind of rhetoric, coupled with the politics of envy (“they” are taking your money, and maybe your guns) is an effective scare tactic.   We’ll see if it works come November.

  • Anonymous

    Tom, I heard 10cc’s the Wall Street Shuffle being played in the background at the break… is this a tribute to our political Parties’ true masters?

  • Evan from Braintree, MA

    We are bumping up to the limits of our planet and its resources. The global reality of our world puts more and more pressure on these resources and who has access to them causing mass migrations, wars, etc. Free market capitalism has brought us to this point and we need to decide as a country, and I would say as a global community, whether this way of organizing our economic life has come to its limit. Not that we have to eliminate market economics entirely, but we need to say that a deregulated markets, “free-trade”, and Milton Friedman economics no longer is tenable.

    • notafeminista

      How would we know?  No one has USED Friedman economics! (although there are some folks who think that Chile was able to recover from their devastating earthquake as ably as they did because of practices taught by Friedman.)  Chile over Haiti any day.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CRTBVXTQSOPGLVECV6HA3NYJZA MoniqueDC

      Exactly, Evan.  The world is finite,but we measure the health of an economy on growth?   We need new definitions of what makes for a healthy economy AND a good quality of life.   Friedman’s theory has been morphed into a Darwinian “winner take all” attitude.  And with the Supreme Court (portions also bought) saying that Corporations have the same rights as individuals and that “money is speech”, we clearly have some serious work ahead to bring us back to a country of sanity instead of a disguised feudal state.

  • JI

    The Republican party, by nature, is the party of the privileged few.  Historically they have convinced many under-educated people to vote against their economic self-interests based on socially conservative wedge issues.  Today it seems that they are either trying to buy votes or disenfranchise (ie voting id laws) those that would vote against them.  

  • WW_ph15

    The wealthiest of this country have sucked up the wealth from the middle and poorest classes over the last three decades. They truly feel entitled to everything that they have bought with the benefit of tax laws and deregulations they bought in congress and the senate. They have gained wealth by shrinking wages and benefits of those who work for them. Now they disdain the very people whom they profited off of. No trickle down. No jobs.

    • Bgaidry

       And they call the rest of us “takers”.

    • Ayn Marx 666

       And note that if our increased productivity were reflected in our wages adequately, our social schemes, which largely are financed by taxes on wages, would not be in the fix they’re in.

      Instead, the increase in productivity has been siphoned-off in non-wage gains for employers and owners…they should get a lot of it, to give them incentive to help us be more productive and help us get closer to the job-free world we need, but they’re taking so much mor of it than that.

    • notafeminista

      “Just because I have a pizza doesn’t mean you have to eat the box.”

      ~P.J. O’Rourke

  • Isa Kocher

    when the USA has the worst health among 50 countries including third world countries while USA companies have their highest profits and lowest taxes ever, and the top 1% owns more than the bottom 50% where is the nanny state. it is a lie. and a racist lie. the facts show that republicans are simply lying. American values include the USA MARINES never leaving even one of us behind. We are government by the people for the people. Romney and Santorum etc are for government by corporation for profit and that is not free market. Romney’s markets are owned by the 1% and a free market is according to adam smith is the 99%. government by corporations is not free. 

    • Barack Hussein Spinoza

       You’ve obviously been contaminated by foreigners and their ‘data’.  America is the greatest country in the world in all ways, and this Truth is more important than ‘facts’ or ‘reason’ or ‘common sense’.

      • Fredlinskip

         There is clear potential for us to follow the arrogant destinies of great empires and nation states of the past, if we don’t get our collective act together.
          Only difference… if this empire goes down, we may just take the planet down with us.

  • nathan

    Republican Party has become the most radical mainstream party in the western world.

    • Barack Hussein Spinoza

       That’s called ‘American exceptionalism’, son, and if you don’t like it you’re not a real Merkin.

      • Fredlinskip

         The question is exceptionally what?
        If we are becoming exceptionally boneheaded to the detriment to country and world, it might be time to rethink some of our assumptions.
        It would be exceptionally Unamerican for citizens to stand back & do nothing while a group of misguided “leaders” lead us off all off a cliff as they did in buildup to such things as recent financial crisis and IMO Iraq War.

  • notafeminista

    Might be that NPR utilized this topic today to make up for yesterday’s.  *chuckle*

  • Michael Powers

    The whole demography argument is insulting.  America has always been an idea, not an ethnicity.  The last refuge of liberal scoundrels is to say that conservatives/libertarians don’t really value the freedoms they espouse, but use code words because they fear brown people.  Liberty is only liberty if everyone is free. 

  • AndyF

    If Republicans really believe this is “now or never” then how come they yield a batch of candidates so completely unqualified to run the country? 

    Mitt Romney has NO clue how the bulk of average Americans live.  He is so far out of touch, even he doesnt remotely get it.  Rick Santorum is more interested in telling people how to live (like him) than he is in running a diverse country, that will NEVER see his “ways” as even remotely logical.  And Newt Gingrich?  A joke – a despicable man unable to manage his own personal relationships let alone run a country.

    Not only are these candidates a complete joke – its amazing that so many Americans cannot see through their own racism (over President Obama) to recognize any of these Republicans would be a disaster for America.

    Yeah, “now or never” – here is what it really is…  Mitt Romney is running out of chances to reach his big dream, the Presidency, so for him its now or never.  Rick Santorum has already been rejected soundly by his own state!  For him, yes, its now or never.  And Newt Gingrich is becoming such a parody of what he wants people to think he is that yes, for him, its now or never.

    And will ALL three of them, what is their bottom line interest?  In capturing the “throne” for themselves – NOT leading America to better days.

    Hopefully, after these out-of-touch losers are resoundingly trounced, it WILL be “never” for the entire Republican party.  A party with more pigs at the trough, out of touch losers, and self-interested bigots than any in the history of mankind.

  • Bgaidry

    Psychologists have proven
    that fear and hate trump reason and facts in elections. The GOP has
    counted on this as their strategy for so long, they no longer have a
    single reasonable leg to stand on. 
    BOO! Is not a political
    platform so they have strung together a series of disparate, hot-button
    issues disguised as “values” that make no sense when examined as a
    whole.

    Although I do give them
    credit for finding so many different ways to say “get the big black
    boogie man out of OUR white house” without actually using those words.

    • Benny Spinoza

       I’m a Democrat, and sometimes I wish my party were better at using fear and hate—but we’ve got this charming attachment to the values of the Enlightenment, plus the fact that a good many of our coalition have been on the wrong side of fear and hate, and so many of them would be uncomfortable by their use…not that the formerly oppressed are any better morally for it by nature.

      Great point on the Republicans’ verbal inventiveness—I’ll also point out their cleverness in masking their hatred of most American Jews by fanatickal support of the Israeli Right and palling around with those Orthodox so culturally conservative that _they_ hate most American Jews as well.  (When a Republican says: ‘élite’, ‘coastal’, ‘perfessor’, ‘mædia’…you can hear the ‘big-nosed’ added to each if you but listen.)

      • notafeminista

        The Left is brilliant at using fear and hate – look at the attitudes towards the religious, conservative and white.    Well executed my friend.

        • Zero

           White people are the real victims of racism….

  • Ellen Dibble

    Foreign policy for  Republicans?  In terms of global cooperation? And is their stance pro-business?  Or pro-plutocracy, as in “Let Money Talk.”  

  • MooseHB

    Republican candidates repeatedly mention “the foundations of this nation” or “the things that made America great,” but never enumerate what those things are specifically, or even the general nature.

    Beyond that, even in the sound bites played earlier on the show, the GOP candidates also rewrite history. Does Newt Gingrich really think that the United States has moved leftward since 1932? Statements like that dissolve the credibility of any claimant to expertise in History, at least for any audience not in thrall to the GOP’scult of personality.

    2012 is a battle for the soul of the nation, and the last place I would entrust that soul is to the GOP.

  • Isa Kocher

    Republicans in congress are white millionaire men running things for other white rich men: Romney’s market is not free. It is monopoly for the benefit of the top .01%

    • Guest

      33 of the top 40 Obama campaign donors now have jobs or appointments in his administration!  He is a crony capitalist!

      • Anonymous

        Where you been. They all are.

    • Brandstadisbad

      If the Republicans represent the rich, how to you explain why Obama received the majority of the vote from the 
      top .01% of Americans including Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet!

      • Zero

        Republicans don’t represent the rich in the abstract, they represent oil tycoons and corporations, weapons manufacturers, a Wall Street millionaires, and the dumbest, racists segment of the the country.

  • JustSayin

    Outward pious displays of religion have no place in politics. It is dangerous, decisive, and feeds upon primitive forms of ignorance and fear.

    • notafeminista

      Fear mongerer.  Way to marginalize that which you don’t understand.

      • JustSayin

        Americans understand it really well. And yes that kind of faith needs to be marginalized.

         You must have LOVED it when those planes hit the WTC. A pious demonstration of faith as politics.

        • notafeminista

          So it’s okay to marginalize “the other” when it suits us.

          Situational ethics.

          • Zero

            It would be immoral to not marginalize stupidity.  I don’t understand how a fat, Evangelical redneck could be considered “other.”

          • notafeminista

            Really?  Explain in detail how you identify with a “fat, Evanangelical redneck.”

            See, that kind of hate speech is permissible.

            The Left is rotten to the core.

    • Benny Spinoza

      Another significant factor, I’m afraid I think it the most, though I agree that the ones you’ve brought up do in fact hold:

      Because religion by its nature asserts as being extremely important certain propositions that cannot be proved by appeal to objective evidence and reasoning therefrom, they easily end up becoming partisans of ‘proving’ things by shouting or [the threat of ]physical force.

      The more established ones generally also try to colonise observation and reasoning, but always reason with the catch that certain conclusions cannot be possible (‘Right Reason’ in Catholic theology, ‘dislike of being ostracised by the only people who won’t kill you’ in the Jewish).

  • margaret/ Omaha, NE

    I hear the faith and values fear from Republicans but always siting freedom of religion yet attacking women on their religion and faith values.
    Historical influence by religion and country are not just an area of Muslium faith. Catholic Ireland, Lutheran Germany, Epispocal Church of England. Spanish inquisition. The Darkness through the ages has been a fear of today and change tomorrow with theological leadership using rhetoric of blame and guilt.
    Actually saw a Sunday TV minister on CTI22 preaching the constitution and not the gospels.

    • Guest

       You say “yet attacking women on their religion and faith values.”,  Please give me some examples of this because I have not seen this.

      • TFRX

        You ought to get out more. Maybe then you ir someone you love won’t be called “slut prostitute”.

    • notafeminista

      “Anec” is not a prefix for data.

  • justsayin

    the election should be close because Obama’s losing all of those ACORN votes:(

    • JustSayin

       An angry Imposter who doesn’t like what I’m posting.

      • TFRX

        One vote for “no impostors”. It’s not cool, and if we don’t show we can handle the responsibility we have now, On Point will never let us get that puppy.

    • Gerald Fnord

       Don’t worry, Zombie Saul Alinsky will show up simultaneously at every polling place and intimidate Republican voters by looking rotted and non-Christian at them…or at least that’s what Fox will report.

  • Plato

    Why are American born Latinos heavily Republican? 

    • Ellen Dibble

      “Values”?

    • Eustace Tilly

       Neat Zen koan…as it doesn’t make sense any other way, e.g. as a correlate to objective reality.

    • Anonymous

      Given that recent polls show that 14% of Latinos favor the GOP I doubt this is true.

    • Guest

      Latinos are heavily religious, and conservative so it makes sense they are not comfortable with government micro managing their lives like the Democrats would prefer.

  • Matt in Milwaukee

    All or Nothing.  Come to Wisconsin to see the world republicans will create if given control of House, Senate, Presidency (Governor) and the Supreme court.  It is total political chaos here in Wisconsin.  It feels like the Civil War.  Is this what the Nation wants? Or needs?

  • Mprufer

    Our country is bankrupt first by its lack of intelligence  and then by its purse.  The only want to cure the latter is to cure the former.  If we are to succeed, we need to move forward — not backward as the Republicans would have it.

    • Brandstad

      How exactly are the republicans moving backwards ?

      • TFRX

        Open wide and accept the transrectal probe, and then maybe we’ll take you seriously.

  • Ellen Dibble

    I’ve seen statistical analyses that show more Americans living in cities, closer to jobs, closer to modern conveniences and social spots.  But cities tend Democratic, if you look at the map up top.  Those that live where if you fall off a cliff you don’t get a million dollars worth of rescue services, where you expect if you fall and die — those will be in the cities, with a different perspective.

  • Chris

    The Republican and Democratic parties must die. They are corrupt through and through.

    Time to start anew Americans.

    If you don’t see it now and vote against BOTH PARTIES in 2012 you will keep suffering and it will only get worse as these corrupt parties only work for the criminal rich, not you.

  • John in Amherst

    Fear mongering is the GOP stock in trade.  Want to gin up the base? 
    Play the paranoia card.  Push back on the Righteous Right’s increasing
    efforts to roll back the clock on morality is not the end of the GOP
    unless the party chooses to drink that koolaid.  The GOP and its minions
    like ALEC have been laying the foundation for a take-over of the
    political landscape from the local level on up for the last 30 years,
    and have made significant gains in these efforts.  But their coalition
    of libertarian teabaggers, fiscal conservatives, neo-con hawks, bigots,
    billionaires and “christian fundamentalists” is eroding as those
    disparate factions realize their agendas are not all in perfect
    alignment.  The GOP has a chosen to demonize those who do not share
    their views, and this view does not permit internal dissent.  It is way
    past time that the fiscal conservatives and libertarians realize the
    Righteous Right seeks to infringe on their personal freedoms and
    rights.  It is time for the “Christian Fundamentalists” to realize that
    super-rich bullies like the Koch boys are anything but charitable toward
    the poor, the stranger, the imprisoned, the sick, the flock of Jesus,
    they are only seeking ways to consolidate wealth and power.  Etc., etc. 
    The demise of the bloated big-tent version of the GOP may be
    endangered, but only because those in the big tent are waking up to
    their mutual incompatibilities. 
    A two party system is necessarily
    always in flux, because no two parties can forever claim the loyalties
    of the multitudes of interest groups they struggle to stitch together.   
     

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    If the Republican party would do as some, like David Frumm, have said and “walk back from Crazytown”, they might increase their base?  Instead they let themselves be too influenced, of not outright driven, by the Far Right with a Tea Party that was co-opted by the Koch brothers and Big Business, Grover Norquist, and Rush Limbaugh. 

    Just look at how many Republican and conservative people in the know, many that were
    involved with policy during the Reagan years, have released books, or
    written op-eds, about the need for Republicans to get real, most notably
    David Stockman and Bruce Bartlet, not to forget Frumm or David Brooks. 

    The Republicans keep touting Reaganism, but Reagan could make it as a Republican because he compromised (a word Speaker Boehnor, nor any other Republican can bring themselves to say), and he raised taxes 7 times because he realized that the math of just cutting taxes doesn’t work. 

    • GradyLeeHoward

      Frum took an Oligarch limo for a night in “crazy town.”
      He’ll sleep it off and binge again next weekend.

  • Ellen Dibble

    I want a Native American candidate, one bringing all the wisdom of those who have considered this continent their resource and their responsibility for so long…

    • BHA in Vermont

       That will never work, the religious right (the ones the current Republican presidential candidates are tripping over themselves to be “most like”) believes their god gave them the earth to rule, not to live with in harmony.

      • Ellen Dibble

        Yes, but churches and values forums tend to coagulate around issues that liberate the members from guilt, and sometimes they offer forgiveness outright, sometimes they offer a social program (more like the Unitarians), and the latter take up rights of the orphans and the disabled, rights of the discriminated against, yes the homosexuals and yes, the minorities, especially the African Americans, whom clearly Americans tried to take advantage of and oppress, but also Japanese who had been locked up during World War II.  So I’m thinking Native Americans are a clear example of where the Moral Fiber in American faith needs to face up to former shortcomings, and see big advantage in stepping back and seeing what’s been missed in our own contiguous (and non-continguous) territory.   (Probably not in my lifetime, but a Sioux or a Algonquin, Mohawk, Chippewa… would have a kind of moral authority, moral high ground, that we could really use right now.)

        • GradyLeeHoward

          Phil Sheridan made sure no progressive natives survived, and that has remained US policy.

      • TFRX

        In Ben Nighthorse Campbell didn’t his state (CO?) get a Native American pol who grew to be a consummate Washington insider, and belonged to first the Dems and then the Reps?

    • Bgaidry

      I agree America would again benefit from the wisdom of America’s indigenous people, as Ben Franklin John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine did.

      However, a nation which considers corporations to be “people” with privileges and rights, but laughs at nations who recognize the rights of Nature, is not likely to seek, let alone comprehend and act on such wisdom.

      More likely, as our government and environment disintegrate from greed, individuals and communities will again embrace the wisdom of this Land out of necessity, if not intellect.

      “Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money” – Cree Proverb

    • GradyLeeHoward

      Some of the cigar store Indians running the casinos are as putrid as Cheney. 

  • RC

    YES! It’s ALL about race! The GOP and the insane right CANNOT deal with having an intellectual, urbane black man in the White House!!! And their hatred for Obama is couched in the non-sense of the Tea Party when, in truth, the TP doesn’t give a damn about freedom, liberty or small government.

    • Gerald Fnord

       I never bought the NRA types’ claim that they were the bulwark against authoritarianism because to a man (and occasional woman) they seemed like a group of authoritarian followers who would welcome tyranny by the ‘right’ (rhymes with ‘white’) people against…well, you know.

    • notafeminista

      Neither does the Left.

  • PaulCJr

    As a mixed ethnic American, the republicans do nothing to help me identify with them. I find a lot of their speech hateful and dividing even though I find of some their views spot on. Until the republicans can get ride of their extreme members and become more moderate, I will continue to vote democrat.  

  • Rzaino

    The Republicans, Especially Rick Santorum, smell like the Moral Majority of the ’80s. Family values, religion in government, anti women and anti gay.

    • Guest

      You need to really get out of your cave and listen a little.
      Rick Santorum and his campaign have not done or said anything to put religion in government or done anything anti women.  

      Thank you for showing how uninformed you truly are

      • TFRX

        If you’re going to be so willfully ignorant of the man who’s running for pope president, at least chose a unique handle.

  • Julia

    ….1950s thinking does not fit or work in 2012′s reality. Deal with it!

    • TFRX

      They don’t want the real 1950s (as David Halberstam wrote about). They want Pleasantville–at least the nice one before Tobey McGuire and Reese Witherspoon came along and ruined it.

      • Dustin Marvin

        They want 1950 back, but not all of 1950. How about the Republican party start getting nostalgaic about tax rates on the highest incomes in the U.S. in those times? Upwards of 90%. How about in the 1950′s a middle class family could send a child to college without amounting six figures in student loan debt? Oh wait, they think college is worthless because it strips you of your religious virtues. “Hands off government! Except if you want to marry someone we don’t approve of or smoke a harmless drug that our pharmaceutical friends have spent billions stigmatizing.” 

      • GradyLeeHoward

        They want Alphaville.

  • TFRX

    Triende (was it him?) compared the D’s “If we don’t get HCR passed it’ll be 20-30 years before we can do this again”

    and

    the GOP’s “This is the end of America if Obama is reelected”?

    That’s something else.

  • Ellen Dibble

    To me, the “nanny state” is care-taking those in the very upper echelons, seeking to protect them ever more from the roiling masses, by whatever smoke and mirrors necessary.

    • GradyLeeHoward

      I think she’s got it! By Jove she’s got it!
      “The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain.”

    • Brandstad

      I hope you are not supporting Obama then since he got the majority of the top 1% votes last election and has appointed or hired 33 of his top 40 campaign donors!  He is doing more to help Warren Buffet than he is the factory worker.

  • BHA in Vermont

    The “this is the last chance” thing is nothing more than fear mongering, “fire up the voters” talk.  The best way to get people on your side is to make them REALLY nervous about the alternative. It works especially well if those people are “party line” voters who don’t do any research to discover what is real and what is a big fat lie to get votes.

    • Ray in VT

      Remember the doom and gloom of the Take Back Vermont movement.  Civil Unions didn’t cause the sky to fall, and they mostly went away.

  • ping1

    Obama VS. Romney….come election time, the negitive ads we will be bombarded with will be truly sickening:(

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Negative campaigning IS the Chicago way.

      • Ray in VT

        I thought that if they put one of your guys in the hospital then you put two of theirs in the morgue was the Chicago way.

        • Modavations

          No No.You buy a house for 300 thousand below market,from a convicted slum lord.Then face the camera and say you shouldn’t have done that.It’s crony capitalism at street level,the Chicago way

  • Omaha Dem

    Obama took the GOP to school in 2008 on running a campaign and they have been vindictive ever since. They were rude during his speach by calling him a “Liar” and have been determined to demean him eversince this is the hidden racial attitude towards him and is unexcusable. I think the Greedy Old Party should take their fearmongering politics and go home.
    The healthcare law is allowing college age kids to be covered and insurance companies are gearing up for it it would be too costly to go backwards!
    He also respects his wife and children and is a God fearing man who cares about the families of the sevice men & women who serve our country!

    • Brandstad

      That hope and change sure was a good campaign.  The GOP would have never thought to be so vague and opaque in a campaign in order to just let the voter fill in the blank with what ever they dreamed.  

      The down side is almost everyone has lost the fill in the blank dream that the Obama campaign promised and now he has to justify his tragic record!

      • TFRX

        An! anonymous! hold! has! been! placed! on! your! comment!

        It will not be posted until 60% of the board approves.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       President Obama only needed to be a competent leader in his first term to be re-elected.  He failed and now he is likely a one termer.

  • leeleeputian

    I just caught the end of the show, but it’s a great topic.

    My first impression when I heard this was that when Santorum speaks of the “soul of America,” he means in quite literally. It use to be that individual souls needed grace or saving, but I think this rhetoric is religious. That God will punish America is she doesn’r save herself, which of course means voting for candidate “X”

  • Anonymous

    Seems to that what we have here is a plutocracy.
    When President Obama appoints the CEO of GE Jeffrey Immelt to head the Council on Jobs one has to wonder.
    I mean this man is not exactly a model for creating jobs in the US. GE is an awful corporation that in my view stands for crony capitalism. 
    http://billmoyers.com/segment/david-stockman-on-crony-capitalism/

    • GradyLeeHoward

      GE is a nuclear contractor. Obama plans to irradiate our way out of the Great Recession by spreading hot isotopes far and wide, first by war and then by Reddy Kilowat. He’s still living in the 20th Century.

      • Modavations

        Can we speed your trip to Zurich.I know you speak Jive,but do you speak French,or German

    • notafeminista

      As opposed to the AFL-CIO and SEIU spending billions to control issues that favor their outcome. (35 million to the first Obama presidential campaign, thank you union members.) 

      The Left is just irked that someone plays the game by their rules. 

      • Anonymous

        35 million compared to hundreds of millions.
        I’m not irked at all. This is your rebuttal?

        What I find so funny is how you keep alluding to the tired refrain that President Obama is a socialist which is a joke. Are you aware of how silly this argument is when it’s obvious that President Obama is a centrist, and a pretty strong supporter of capitalism. I see crony capitalism as the order of the day. Funny, so does Bruce Bartlett and David Stockman.

        • notafeminista

          35 million ..that was part of 100s of millions..a big chunk of which came from Wall Street firms..those nasty “fat cats” to whom our President alludes.

          I stand by my statement.  The Left doesn’t like it when someone plays their game by their rules.  I laugh and laugh when the Left carries on about so-called special interests and then sticks their collective hand out to the unions.

          • notafeminista

            I also seem to recall that not so very long ago there was a much lauded statement that President Obama might have and/or spend 1 billion on his re-election campaign. 

            At the same time HuffPo had a breathless headline last night that GOP “SuperPacs” might well have and/or spend 800 million. 

            Hum.

          • Anonymous

            So it’s OK for the right to do this but not the left. Is this your thesis?

          • Get Real

            No, idiot. If Obama is spending a BILLION dollars why are you getting mad that Republicans are spending less than a quarter of that? I guess vast sums from special interests are only bad if they don’t go to your idiot God-King.

          • Anonymous

            Special interests is a bad idea period.

            Idiot God-King?
            Man are you off the rails.

            Cute language skills.

      • Modavations

        The unions gave the Dems.400 million in the last election cycle.40ish% of Unions are Republicans.Republicans got’Niente”

  • Gregg

    I don’t think it’s overstated a bit and have made the same point before. If Obama is reelected, America as we know it is over. He is an unmitigated disaster.

    • Ray in VT

      Hi Gregg,
      You know that I don’t agree with you on that, and there’s no need to rehash some of that again, but do you see the GOP being a long-term winner, as a party, given some of the demographic and social trends that are currently playing themselves out?  I made a point about gay marriage below regarding this.  Can you see the GOP holding it’s three legged stool together?

      • Gregg

        I don’t know about “Republicans” but the Tea Party Conservatives were extremely successful in 2010 despite the establishment swearing Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Allen West and the like could not win. We are a center-right Country.

        • TFRX

          The teabaggers are old wine in new bottles, after two terms of GWB destroyed the brand “Republican” to the point that even the Beltway Inbreds couldn’t pretend to save it.

    • Bgaidry

      And which republican panacea will save us? Theocracy, Plutocracy, or Hypocrisy?

      • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

        You forgot oligarchy and corporatocracy.

        • GradyLeeHoward

          Financial Buggery!

      • Gregg

        Free market capitalism.

        • nj_v2

          No such damn thing as a “free market.”

          The country is more than an economy.

          Massive fail, so shallow is what passes for Greggg’s thinking.

      • Modavations

        Laissez Faire Economics.Adam Smith’s invisible hand

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Gregg, I agree with you.

      We are extremely close to a debt tipping point. Obama just doesn’t want to deal with this reality.  Sure, W. had us on a slow bleed but Obama cut the main artery.

      We are committing generational theft.

      We only have one or two years to turn this around.  Once interest rates start climbing (any day) we are hosed.

      I believe Obama could have secured his re-election IF he had embraced and pushed for a form of Simpson-Bowles.  Instead, he simply ignored it.

      • GradyLeeHoward

        As Seinfeld scolded Kramer, “You don’t even know what a ‘write-off’ is!”
        The Greeks just got one, and they’ll get another.
        Billionaire money is all play money anyway.
        Pinheads who fall under the spell of “debt terrorism” may not understand that most of our national debt is owed to the Oligarchs who operate the FED. Some more is owed to the Social Security and Medicare trust funds because it was embezzled for Elite tax cuts, and war stimulus for arms contractors. Only 8% is nominally held in China, and much of this was lent by transnational interests with Chinese holdings. Europe is afloat today only because their central bank is cranking out more play money, just like our floating TBTF crap game. This is the way Oligarch income streams are maintained at working people’s expense. We have to get ever more productive. That treadmill of resource waste is really smoking and may fly apart any day. That’s why I’m moving to Europe.
        American ignorance is horrifying, especially among those who’d willingly starve their neighbors to save Trump’s Mafia toupee’. 
        Worried For the Country needs to get out more.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

           Good luck in Europe.  I hope it works out for you.
          I’m not saying the US is perfect but something is strange in Europe.  Maybe there is something in the water.  Germany, the strongest economy, is shuttering their nuclear fleet in the wake of Fukishima, despite the lack of tsunami risk.  They will have to import electricity from France’s nuclear power plants.  Crazy.

        • Modavations

          Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,not Hundie Watts.Give me some racist black patois.I called Zurich,your expected

    • Jemimah

      “America as you know it” was over a long time ago when Sheriff Andy of Mayberry retired and Rob and Laura bought a double bed.  We can’t stagnate!  Sure, nostalgia is nice, but it’s Obama who’s made America weak, it’s Americans!  Many of us are lazy, self-involved, uneducated, xenophobic, rude and, basically, uncivilized.  We feel like we’re the kings of the world, but what in the world makes that a “right?”  We have SO much and yet we’re unwilling to share and we feel entitled.  I’m constantly appalled and ashamed of many of my fellow Americans.

      • notafeminista

        CNN, Reuters and Time (all 3 of whom rated Americans in the top ten BEST tourists) would beg to differ.

        Americans are generally recognized as friendly and good tippers….something rather important to the other 99 per centers of the world.

    • Modavations

      As long as we can still vote,the ship will right itself.The question is,will the Left allow us to continue the plebescite?

  • Brett

    The conditions under which we rose to be a super power, just after WWII, were unique, and most likely we will never again have the ability to replicate both the military and economic strength we claimed as our rightful place in the world. This secure destination was also as much steeped in the mythology and romanticism of our mindset as it was our supreme destiny. 

    The ones now calling for a reactionary approach of “returning” to some ideal we think we once enjoyed seem to be drunk on some distorted memory that never really quite existed to begin with. Nostalgia isn’t altogether unhealthy, but its value has been vastly overrated. There were too many factors beyond our control that came together and enabled our rise to greatness for us to create those same conditions today. The questions become: what new paradigm must we create to prevail? Even, what does “prevailing” look like? And, what kind of country do we want to live in? To list a few. 

    I was just watching a snippet of the movie, “Hollywood Hotel.” It was one of those escapist Busby Berkeley productions. (My interest was in seeing the Benny Goodman Band’s performances, especially the Louis Prima number, “Sing, Sing, Sing,” featuring Gene Krupa who, along with Buddy Rich and Lionel Hampton, captured my imagination when I was about five years old. BTW, Ronald Reagan was also in the movie.) While the movie was just before the aforementioned time (made in the late 1930′s), it was one of those glossy, thin plot-line, musical films designed to facilitate viewers forgetting their Depression woes for an evening. 

    The “greatest generation” had suffered through the Depression and were starting to come out the other end. After prevailing, as it were, over those years; and, after essentially leading the world in saving itself from the likes of Hitler, Hirohito, Mussolini, and all, we then developed the confident self perceptions that have sustained us in these subsequent decades. Norman Rockwell caught this zeitgeist in his paintings. This particular spirit can be put away next to the files storing many racial/social stereotypes of the time. There is some truth to the stereotypes, as well as to the perception of America’s infallible greatness; however, they are as false as they are true. 

    We can never go home again, so to speak, nor can we capture the Gestalt (with a hard G) of the time…nor should we want to. In many respects, it is our own personal classical Greek tragedy; what served to make us strong also has served to potentially be our undoing.     

    • JustSayin

      Agreed. Rewriting history for political gain is right out of Orwell. Those who engage in it deny that America’s prosperity did not come from God, but the incessant rapacious warmongering oligarchies that mired Europe in abject militarism.

      The US largely being outside the sphere of destruction of Europe and Asia, benefited from a modernized industrial infrastructure and being the worlds biggest exporter of petroleum.

      Now the USA is the irrational rapacious warmonger seeking hegemony. The lesson it seems is not learned, that when a nation gives its political control to a pious oligarchy, a nation dies.

    • Modavations

      Bro.B do you realize we’re the last two humans that know who Mr.Natural is and what Wild In the Streets was.Did you ever see Don Johnsons Boy And His Dog.

  • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

    It’s the end of America as we know it, and I feel fine.

    Sorry, R.E.M.!

    • Modavations

      I haven’t listened to REM in twenty years.Your momma called for the twentieth time.Hit the books.Look up the spanish word Chato

  • john w. rippetoe jr.

    You’re not quilty by association (with me), but I just wanted to thank you for the clue that would help me find the conservative version of the Constitution that I’ve managed to misplace along with all of my other papers from the 80s. It’s impossible, or exhausting anyway to talk to a conservative these days without that other Constitution as a reference; you know, the one that Bachman and Santorum and their disciples keep quoting from. Otherwise, how reconcile – and still have time for anything else - the aircraft-carrier-full number of claims to the soul of the country and direct quotations from the Constitution (… the ones I can never seem to find.) made by conservatives based on their reading of the Constitution, right? Did it begin with the two newly elected tea party congressmen who were to be sworn in by video link because they were attending a fundraiser only it suggests in somebody’s Constitution that you should be there in person for the swearing in. I’m still trying to figure out where the text is that allowed Mitch McConnell to redefine his job — the one we pay him to do, or does that pay come out of taxes paid in kentucky only and nowhere else — redefine his job as making sure the sitting (…. or standing. President Obama stands alot doesn’t he, looks people eye-to-eye. The racists hate that.), duly elected President is defeated in the next election. Funny job title isn’t it? Fair enough, I guess, if it says in somebody’s Constitution that it’s O.K. for McConnell to devote his performance as US Senator to that aim. Finally, there’s got to be the Santorum Constitution filed away in my papers from the 1980s that self-describes how it was inspired almost exclusively by the fear of god. That’s right; a constitution rightly founded on the fear of god and not on the best insterests of all men and women; so that the correct picture of our founding fathers is of a gaggle of barely literate god fearings white racists all in apoplectic fits trying to keep the foam off the paper longer enough for the ink to dry while they spun around the room and who cheated on their wives before they got home that night. And what the conservative editors came up with the next day — in trying to make sense of the foreign languages represented in what was written — was the Constitution for an organization of states founded on the principle that equal access to the law (as it was advertised) was to be controlled by the powerful, with the law to be imposed or ignored as the powerful saw fit and which Constitution introduced the 4th branch of government known as citizens united leaving room for the threat of the apocalypse if women ever got the vote (or the pill) of if a black man was ever fairly elected president.  

  • JoeB

     “The End of America as we know it,” “A struggle for the soul of America,” “Take our country back,” “The most important election since 1860,” “Obama might be a Muslim,” “Obama the food stamp president,” etc, etc. etc.  Can’t those of us with a modest command of reason and thought refrain at least from insulting one anothers’ intelligence and acknowledge that this election is all about what Andrew Young once estimated to be the roughly 25% of white America that can’t let go of the Great American Issue: Race?

    The contributions to this country of European immigrants in the 19th and 20th century notwithstanding (as a black American I salute their role in building this country despite the fact that the respect is often not recipricated), anyone who is willing to allow themselves to be educated cannot reasonably escape the knowledge that slavery provided the startup capital for this incredibly rich country (stolen labor over time equals capital). There are still people for whom that fact is unwelcome and indigestible and therefore they must reject altogether anything that reminds them of it, leading them to condemn Obama as “the Other.”  

    The entire GOP election discussion is defined by race.  Why can’t we at least admit it? It’s so infantile to keep pretending it’s something else.

    • Anonymous

      Excellent post. The engine of the South and the North was built on slavery and indentured servitude. After the civil War the South then engaged in using laws to keep the African Americans in servitude by using the penal system and prisoner labor gangs to develop an industrial and economic base. Yes, it is about race and defining “the Other” as a means of power and place is what I’m hearing a lot of from the GOP candidates. Santorum and Gingrich are the worst in this regard.

      • Get Real

        Oh, for God’s sake. Obviously you’re completely out of ideas if you have to accuse your opponents of racism.

        Republicans don’t like Obama because every single policy of his has been a monumental catastrophe for America. It’s not racist to want the country to be safe and prosperous.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not accusing anyone of racism. But to deny this as an issue in this country is naive beyond belief. By your comment I can see that you are not interested in understanding this on any level. That you would say everything Obama has done has been a catastrophe is very telling.

          I’m not the one who brought up race, the right did and now you do it again.

  • denis

    your sort does not seem to work…  going through your commnets i find a comment by Northeaster 17 with 21 likes yet it does not sort to the top on the best rated or favorites sort

  • Acylium

    The Republicans created “the End of America As We Know It” three years ago when Obama was elected into office.  Remember Mitch McConnell and his fellow Republicans vowing to make Obama a one term president as his primary job?  Our credit rating was downgraded when the GOP refused to compromise based on “principle”.

    What kind of leaders would destroy the millions of people’s lives to push their own agenda???

    • Gregg

      Republicans in the House passed “Cut, Cap and Balance” which would have preserved our credit rating. 

      The answer to your last question is the Obama administration. Examples are legion.

      • Anonymous

        And Speaker Orange Man tacked on the poison pill balanced budget amendment.  Had that been in place in 2009, you and I would be eating dirt soup right now.

      • nathan

        If we had passed that bill, we would have been much worse off than we are right now. Just look across the pond, ‘austerity’ hasn’t really worked anywhere it has been tried at.

        Every serious economist like Rogoff, Krugman, Mankiw etc has advised for a short term deficit spending and then a long term plan to reduce the debt.

  • Guest

    California’s rising standards of living and outstanding public schools and universities once attracted millions seeking upward economic mobility. But then something went radically wrong as California legislatures and governors built a welfare state on high tax rates, liberal entitlement benefits, and excessive regulation. The results, though predictable, are nonetheless striking. From the mid-1980s to 2005, California’s population grew by 10 million, while Medicaid recipients soared by seven million; tax filers paying income taxes rose by just 150,000; and the prison population swelled by 115,000.

    • Anonymous

      You conveniently forgot prop 13.

    • Modavations

      Santa  Cruz High School Curriculum …..
      1.Social Justice
      2.Advanced Social Justice
      3.Feminine studies
      4.Black Studies
      5.Black Feminine Studies
      6.Wind Mills
      7Advanced Wind mills

      • JNC

        If your kid is filling his schedule with these classes, the problem is with your kid, not the curriculum.  Every high school has a healthy dose of science and math, and one could easily complete a diploma program without taking any of these classes.  Please…

    • nathan

      Even if I accept your premise, I would rather live in California, rather than TX, OK, AL, MS, or any other of your deep red states.

      • Modavations

        You’ve never been to Austin I take.God Bless Texas!!!

        • nathan

          Lived there for few months, I like it to but mostly because it is so unlike rest of texas. An oasis in the middle of texas.

      • notafeminista

        So?

  • Jhillrio

    Mr. Ashbrook,  I have not heard mention the real reason for the Republican message of this being the turning point in American History.  Plain and simple it is “Obama Care”.  If Obama Care’s agenda comes into affect American will go from being a Capitalist to a Socialist country/society. 

    • Anonymous

      …and then the sky will fall.

      • notafeminista

        Nah…climate change is taking care of that for us.

    • Fredlinskip

       Honestly this “socialist” thing is REALLY silly. It seems anything government attempts that is vaguely  trying to improve the lives of majority of Americans is deemed socialist.
      What would be the term for all gov attempts to do improve lives of top few%-becuase that term would be  what  American government has become for large part of last 30 years plus.
      Like the results?

      Health care was an issue, when Obama was elected that was projected, in the trajectory it was headed was going to cripple our country.
      I’m sorry you don’t like the results. If GOP actually worked with Dems, instead of simply thwarting everything Dems tried to do, we likely could have come up with something better, but because GOP’s goal was only to make Obama one-termer, this was not possible.
      Don’t like “Obama” care- blame the source-
       GOP.

      • TFRX

        I have it on the highest authority that when a Republican calls President Obama a socialist that NPR is ready to fire back!

        They convene a panel representing both sides, and a mild-mannered political scientist gets to spend half the time saying “He isn’t a socialist.”

        • JNC

          I’m 100% sure that you don’t have anything on the “highest authority”.  If Obama were a socialist, he would have nationalized the banks, let the Bush tax cuts expire, introduced single-payer in health care reform.  These are fringe histrionics, and the media doesn’t report on these views because they are naive and ignorant. 

          • TFRX

            That’s just my own way of commenting on NPR’s singular method of putting a sheen of veneer and respectability on the most batshite right-wing ideas (like accusing a centrist Dem millionaire of being a socialist), while being helpless to avoid giving those ideas half the airtime. Y’know, “balance”.

            (But I pretty much agree with you on all the policy bits you described.)

          • JNC

            My bad.  I didn’t pick up on the sarcasm.  Sorry.

    • Modavations

      We fear the Putsch and all the nastiness

    • JayB

      Just like that scary CANADA country!

  • Modavations

    Please show me the study that says more PHD’s are Democrats.There is a crew that studies IQ.They say Pres.Bill has an IQ of 131 and Pres.Reagan 12…Actually they’ve declared every Dem.Pres.has an IQ of 131.Show me their SATS

    • Anonymous

      so.

      • Modavations

        Why do you bother.If I’m so offensive quit reading me.You can’t and you won’t

        • Anonymous

          I find you a a hilarious, and not in a good way. You do post some very offensive and demeaning things, but you’re right I should ignore you and your small little egocentric world view.

          • Modavations

            So,this is about your 50th reply.Here’s the truth of the matter.Your scared to death that I’m making inroads.Why are you here.You preach to the choir.Plead your case at Heritage,or wherever.What this really is a an AA Meeting for Leftists.

          • Anonymous

            Why am I hear?
            I listen to the show, that’s why. Are your really as thick as you seem?

          • Modavations

            an hour ago it read Hear.A petty man would have called you on it.Where’s TerryTT

  • Modavations

    Pres.Obama has an approval rating of 41% and sinking fast

    • Jasoturner

      As this show makes clear, Americans shall soon bow down to their democrat overlords.  You will be very happy when they finally fix things right…

      • Modavations

        Please call me Modarational

        • Robert Riversong

          You must mean moderately irrational? But, surely, you’re too humble.

          • Modavations

            Again,Am I supposed to reply to this.Make a point

  • Modavations

    Cory the Nerd,your momma has called me twenty times this week.She demands that if I see sonny,tell him to put down the “Doob” and hit the books.MR.Nerd,I loved the boxing analogy.After 50,000 rounds you guys have landed 2 glancing blows.While hitting the books this afternoon grab a spanish dictionary and look up the word Chato.Gotta run,more appointments.

  • Gregg

    President Obama is relying on devious distortions to win reelection but it won’t work because people are not as stupid as he thinks they are. He is taking credit for Bush’s policies on drilling while he is killing the industry. Some idiots bought it but not most. But the clearest example is with the phony war on women. No one was being denied contraception, sex or anything of the sort. Obama manufactured the entire issue. Some idiots bought it but not most. His numbers with women have dropped since his dastardly plan was executed.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/washington-post-poll-contradicts-washington-post-narrative-women-voters_633469.html?nopager=1

    • Modavations

      General G,commander of the liberated middle states.Don’t call these guys idiots,that’s their game.Call them niave,propagandized,or ignorant

      • Gregg

        Good advice but I only called those who believed the crap idiots.They know in their hearts who they are so I don’t have to call them out by name and my comment was not a reply to anyone in particular.

        • Modavations

          right on

      • Anonymous

        You seem to be describing yourself.

        • Modavations

          !5 times today alone ,this man has said he will ignore me.You remind me of a moth and a lightbulb

          • Robert Riversong

            Then you consider yourself the lightbulb: 95% heat, 5% light.

          • Modavations

            We have an ample supply of guys who say nothing.The Temper Tantrum team.Look at your screed.What am I supposed to say

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Where are the MSM fact checkers?

      Ooops, there aren’t any when holding Obama to account.

      • Gregg

        I guess we’re doing it here but we could use a little help. You’d think the MSM would lift a finger.

  • Lowell Gilbertson

    ontract.

    As a lifelong Democrat who has been active, particularly in
    the Obama campaign, I am concerned that perhaps the Republicans may be right,
    but for the wrong reasons. I am not sure that the country can stand another
    four years of Republican obstructionism. They are willing to run America into
    the rocks to prove their point. As a side note, could someone please comment on
    this question: Why shouldn’t we the American taxpayers be able to sue the
    Congress for breach of fiduciary trust. We give them our money and expect them
    to use it to make our government function. Instead, they do everything they can
    to break government, up to and including shutting it down for no good reason
    whatsoever. 

  • Modavations

    Secretary ChooooooChooooo now says we want gas prices to fall.If that’s the case.Drill baby drill.

    • Anonymous

      And how does that stop the speculators from boosting gas prices by almost 25%? Yes, speculators gambling on Wall Street drive the price of gas, fuel oil and LP up, while having nothing to do with exploration, drilling, shipping, refining or delivery, yet they pay half the tax rate that folks who work for a living in the gas and oil industry pay. Yep folks serving absolutely no function in commerce are gambling and the winnings come out of our pockets. We certainly need even less regulation to facilitate greater uncertainty in the market and even more volatility in energy prices. That will make our economy perform even better for Wall Street.

      • Modavations

        Speculators go long speculators go short.The 25% is not true and certainly not proveable.Oil companies hold a 2 % profit(health insurers about 1.5-2%).Oil companies pay an income tax rate of 48% while the average S&P co,.pays 20%.U.S.Energy companies pay about 450billion in taxes per annum.Some of America’s hiighest paid jobs are in the Energy sector.When prices drop many lose their asses.Oil cos.get no special treatment.Any waivers they get are the same any manafacturer gets.

        Black Fang,please bite Daddies ankle.

        • Anonymous

          Well, demand for oil and gas did not just magically go up 25%!

          Really now, stop citing oil company propaganda. The effective FEDERAL tax rate on Exxon Mobile in 2010 was… about 17.2%. You’re starting to sound like a corporate shill:

          the Right loves to cite the US as having the highest corporate tax rates in the world, but with all of the loopholes, the effective corporate tax rate is the 2nd lowest.

          http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/09/news/economy/corporate_tax_reform/index.htm
          http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/are-taxes-in-the-u-s-high-or-low/
          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/business/economy/03rates.html
          …and I can keep going if you’d like from reputable news sources.

          Are these not the corporations that are supposed to be job creators but are
          exporting jobs while reaping huge benefits from loopholes their tools in
          Washington get paid to pass?

          • Modavations

            I stand by my figures.Two days ago on Wash.Journal(this is where I learn my politics)either the Economist or Financial Times said the effective rate is 31.5%.Talk to C-span

        • Roy Mac

          You know nothing about accrual accounting, do you?  Do you actually know anything about anything?  Or do you just make up everything as you go?

          • Modavations

            Is this an inquiry or the uusual temper tantrum

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You NOTICED?

  • leftofcenter

    There’s a growing number of people who believe that in the next 25 years, the current govt. system in the States will go back to more state control. There will still be a federal framework for some things. However, more will go back to the state level. It’ll basically be sections of the country rather than the current 50 states.

    • Anonymous

      Divided we fall.

      • JNC

         We’re falling united

    • Brandstad

      Our countries founders envisioned a limited federal government and strong state governments because elected officials who are closest to the people are most accountable to the people.

      That is why there are innumerated powers given to the Federal government and everything not listed is a state power!

  • Ben

    I was just going to write what Lowell wrote, so good on you mate.

  • Anonymous

    So the older Americans in the Tea Party see young people as consuming society resources through social spending, while they see themselves as deserving?  Really?  Baby boomers enjoyed high subsidized education, then voted for tax cuts under Reagan, saw their government debt balloon, but never decided to cut their own benefits.  Now, they want young people to pay into social security and Medicare, expand their own Medicare benefits (Part D), then cut those benefits to future generations.  These old people are just selfish.

  • Brandstad

    POLL: 80% SAY NOT BETTER OFF THAN 4 YEARS AGO…In today’s CBS News poll:Compared to four years ago, is your family’s financial situation better today, worse today, or about the same?The survey finds 20 percent say better today, 37 percent say worse today, and 43 percent say “about the same.”This poll tells me that Obama has NOT been a successful commander and chief! and should not even have a chance to be reelected.

  • Modavations

    Pres.Obama is broken hearted by the shootings in Afg..When Pres.Obama addressed the nation about Major Hasan of Ft.Hood infamy,he started with a “shout out”to an Indian pal.Mr.Pres.there are no native Americans .They are tourists from Mongolia.Mr Pres.if you want to be broken hearted visit Reservation and see what the Dems.Welfare System has done.

  • Modavations

     Evergreen Solar has petitioned the Mass.Courts.They want to walk away from their obligations at Ft.Devons.We’re broke Your Honor.

  • fredlinskip

    Beginning of show Tom asked what’s up with the do or die message of GOP candidates and electorate this year.

       I think what Republicans can’t figure out is after 30+ years of following Reaganomics philosophy, how come were not living in Utopia? Must be socialism, they reckon. Somehow them dang red comis STILL found a way in sneak in there somehow and sabotage things they reckon. What else could it be?

        Supply-side economics that pandered to richest amongst us has pretty much crippled our nation. One’s thing ‘s for sure, they’re not gonna ever admit they’re wrong about anything-

    especially concerning their God Ronnie.

    That would be flippety-floppin.

  • RandomPartier

    The Republican party is dead, it just hasn’t stopped twitching yet.

    2012: Their most viable candidates are a patrician and unlikable caricature of their Democratic opponent, a philandering lobbyist who was drummed out of his own party by ethics violations, and the American version of the Taliban’s own Mullah Omar.

    2008: Their chosen candidates were a “straight-talking” guy who spent the previous eight years letting his party get away with everything he supposedly stood against; and a reality-television star in-the-making.

    2001-2006: The Republicans held the Presidency and majorities in both houses of Congress. They achieved nothing except massive debts that crippled the government, deregulatory economic timebombs that crippled families and households, a hollowed out military that no longer serves as a destination for our best and brightest, and generated enmity everywhere abroad in a globalizing economy.

    This country needs a conservative alternative to the Democratic party. A two-party system cannot function when one side is comprised of reactionary and self-interested demagogues. Democrats can (ironically) be much too libertarian for their own good as they seek to allow citizens to fully self-determine without consequences.

    A conservative party that really focused on family values of households as the foundation of communities would be a great start. But first that party would have to accept that real, high-functioning families don’t look like the Leave-it-to-Beaver 1950s. We need to accept gays, grandparents, and coalitions of hardworking single parents into the mix. Secondly, that party would have to promote business growth that is family friendly through socially redeeming outputs, zoned and regulated activities, employee compensation that allows families to prosper, and public schools that prepare the next generation of productive citizens.

    But the Republican party ain’t it.

  • Robert Riversong

    Research from Canada’s Brock
    University and published recently in the journal Psychological Science has come
    to the conclusion that many not-so-scientifically-inclined have said for ages –
    both right-wing thinkers and racists alike are not very bright.

     

    It turns out that those with
    limited intelligence at a younger age are more likely to exhibit racist
    tendencies and favor more conservative political thinking as adults.

     

    Dr. Gordon Hodson, a
    professor of psychology and primary author of the findings, explains “Socially
    conservative ideologies tend to offer structure and order.” Structure and
    order, of course, are much easier to make sense of than disarray and chaos.
    Given that, the less intelligent will gravitate towards more manageable ideals
    and, as he says, “Unfortunately, many of these features can also
    contribute to prejudice.”

     

    “Reality is complicated
    and messy . . . Ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simpler
    solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less cognitive capacity
    will be attracted to simplifying ideologies.”

     

    This “research has
    revealed that individuals who more strongly endorse social conservatism have
    greater cognitive rigidity, less cognitive flexibility and lower integrative
    complexity. Socially conservative individuals also perform less well than
    liberals on standardized ability tests.”

     

    Of course, the study’s
    authors note that “all socially conservative people are not prejudiced, and all
    prejudiced persons are not conservative.”  And that conclusion agrees with that of John
    Stuart Mill: “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid
    people are conservatives.”

     

    “The modern conservative
    is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is the
    search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”

    - John Kenneth Galbraith

    “The less justified a
    man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim
    all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause…It is
    the true believer’s ability to shut his eyes and stop his ears to facts which
    in his own mind deserve never to be seen nor heard which is the source of his
    unequalled fortitude and consistency.” – Eric Hoffer, The True Believer
    (1951)

     

    “Faith, enthusiasm, and
    passionate intensity in general are substitutes for the self-confidence born of
    experience and the possession of skill. … The substitute for self-confidence
    is faith … the substitute for self-esteem is pride; and the substitute for
    individual balance is fusion with others in a compact group. … In the
    chemistry of the soul, a substitute is almost always explosive if for no other
    reason than that we can never have enough of it. We can never have enough of
    that which we really do not want. What we want is justified self-confidence and
    self-esteem. …. We can be satisfied with moderate confidence in ourselves and
    with a moderately good opinion of ourselves, but the faith we have in a holy
    cause has to be extravagant and uncompromising, and the pride we derive form an
    identification with a nation, race, leader, or party is extreme and
    overbearing. The fact that a substitute can never become an organic part of
    ourselves makes our holding on to it passionate and intolerant.” Eric
    Hoffer, The Ordeal of Change (1976) 

    • Robert Riversong

      Consider, one and all, how perfectly these findings and descriptions apply to the one here who goes by the moniker Modavations, who has unwittingly called himself a dim lightbulb to whom unthinking moths are attracted.

      • Anonymous

        Careful, or you will end up getting caught up in the dimness of Moda.

        • Modavations

          Show some self control man.You’ve sworn off me 50 times today alone.You’re a moth buzzing around a light bulb.As for the long winded fellow,I don’t read anything over a paragraph

          • Anonymous

            I was not responding to your irate nonsense, comprehension problems or is it just your ego at work.
            Methinks it is both.

          • Modavations

            52 times today alone.You have no self control

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You’ve told us often, that you have ‘chemical’-induced ADHD, haven’t you?

          • Gregg

            I went down the rambling riversong 5 or 6 paragraphs before I puked. I won’t do that again.

      • nj_v2

        Modatroll defines trolling. Self-centered, ignorant, constantly baiting people for the attention he doesn’t get elsewhere. Ignore it. Responding just feeds it.

    • Fredlinskip

       Them there’s some big words for a America hatin’, baby-killin hippy, who probably throws rocks at troops when they come home…

      and I ain’t no prejodice.

    • George Weber

      Love that Galbraith quote.  Ironic though really, since only the rich and well-connected actually have anything tangible to gain from modern conservatism.  The policies orchestrated by those with money, basically undercut about every financial gain an average citizen could hope to be selfish over… 

      Who cares if you pay less in taxes, if you pay 5x as much in healthcare costs, and can’t afford to help your child with the 100k it will cost them to go to college… 

      Or, oops there goes my 401k again, but through no fault of my own… That’s a logical lesson in personal accountability right?

      But hey-
      “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives”

      So true.
      Wonder what the smart-stupid break down is? 1%-99% perhaps…

    • Gregg

      That’s sick.

    • Zero

      Well, the American right wing emanates religion and racism (and, if you believe in structures with ideal forms, there are bound to be deviants; hence, the racism).

      But they are separate modes of thought, and they are the two dumbest modes of thought–with religion coming in a not too distant second.   

  • gabor

    this map 90% overlaps (except for NM and Texas-MX border) with a population density map, population > 100 / sq mile = democrat. I wonder if a lot of republicans were squeezed onto an island, would they become dems?

    • Fredlinskip

       Interesting concept, that.

  • Atersol

    If one assumes that the ideas of the Republican party are inherently white, then one might conclude demographic annihilation as America’s racial mix evolves. it’s certainly self-fulfilling if their message isn’t based on conservative principles with a broad appeal to all Americans.

  • U.S. Vet.

    The rumors of America’s demise are greatly exaggerated.

  • Modavations

    V.President Biden said yesterday that Republicans “have lost touch with the middle class”.He said this at a $10,000.00 per couple dinner

  • Modavations

    I await the Jeffe68  reply.This will be the 52 time today alone,that he swears he’ll pay me no mind.Self control is not one of his attributes

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Moda’s ‘chemical’ counting method=1, 2, 52, 50,000, millions, billions, zillions?

      • Modavations

        That Silly Tom A..said kazillions just yesterday.This is known as literary device..Terry,when not telling the world of his Volunteer firefighting and the junkies stealing his hoses, is working with Robert Vaughn and Iliya Kulyakin(?) in a remmake of the MAN FROM N.A.M.B.L.A…Terry off course stars as a pervert,pedophile priest.Ask him,he’ll tell you the story for the kazillionth time.Sorry Tom A….

  • nj_v2

    Make the red states secede. Force them. Send all the Republicans there. Let the rest of us try to build a reasonable country without the handicap.

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/

    “A new survey of southern Republicans from Public Policy Polling finds that about half – 45% in Alabama, 52% in Mississippi – still believe Obama is a Muslim.  A majority do not believe in evolution. And about a quarter – 21% in Alabama, 29% in Mississippi – think interracial marriage should be illegal.”

    • Modavations

      Perhaps the name Hussein may have something to do with it

      • Ray in VT

        It’s just a name.  There’s plenty of French-Canadians up here, but need not assume that they’re all Catholics, especially if confronted with evidence to the contrary.

        • Ray in VT

          but one need not assume

    • Alex

      So all that loss of life 150 years ago was in vain? Should have let them go then without a fight.  

    • Ray in VT

      Those are some scary numbers.

    • Gregg

      “Make the red states secede.”

      I take it your implication is all that red on the map above represents racist backward hicks America would be better off without. Gotcha’.

      • notafeminista

        That is exactly the perception.

    • Roymerritt19

      All southerners are not like the morons you seem to be directing your anger at.  I am a disabled veteran of the United States Army and have laid my life on the line in defense of this nation.  I wouldn’t want to be nothing but an American and I’ll be damned if anyone is going to force me to be otherwise.  You can take that to the bank bud!!!  Take your proposal to that idiot Rick Perry down in Texas or perhaps that tub of guts that is your governor.  

    • TFRX

      But they’d have to do so without the Federal tax monies. All those “love my country-both of them” sorts realize that, don’t they?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=14901009 Dave Rotenberg

    Seems like the changes that began in the 1960′s have taken 50 years to take root and become the norm.  Maybe the Republican Party is holding onto a world that simply no longer exists.  Scientific and Technological progress, plus fundamental changes in the way American society operates (dual-income families as the norm, global free-trade, the ease of moving) have all left a world that doesn’t operate the way conservatives understand.

    Everyone talked about how the Internet Revolution and fall of the USSR was going to change our world…maybe we are only just finally reaching the point where we can see the result.

  • David_B

    I think the  coming divide of Makers and Takers (entitlement users) is partially a recognition that the number of baby boomers on entitlements will grow significanlty before the next election.  Thus now is the time to strike before they too become takers.
     

  • Jburton

    The country recently passed the 100% debt to GDP threshold. Numerous studies suggest that once a country passes that threshold, it’s growth potential declines markedly. The current administration has run up roughly 5 trillion of the countries 15 trillion in debt. In a fiscal sense, time IS of the essence. If we want the “American Dream” for coming generations, we simply must control spending. That, I think, is the central thrust of the Republicans apocalyptic language. It’s no joke. One way or another, the welfare state cannot continue.

    • Get Real

      The trouble is, liberals think the end of America is a good thing. They expect it will be replaced by their long-hoped-for socialist utopia.

      Of course, what they’re going to get is Cambodia.

      • Ray in VT

        I know plenty of liberals, and none of them are wishing for the end of America.  This is exactly that sort of rhetorical red meat that may fire up the Republican base, but it has no basis in reality.

        We must right our fiscal house.  Spending needs to be reigned in, as it is at a 60 year high relative to GDP (although it’s not a whole lot higher than in the recession of 1982-83), but tax revenues are also at a 60 year low as a percentage of GDP.

        There are hard choices that need to be made, but given the eternal election in this country, where any unpopular move will be exploited by your foes in waiting, not a whole lot of politicians are willing to make them.

        I believe in what is generally defined as the welfare state, and it can be saved if we want to.

      • Roymerritt19

        You should Get Real Get Real.  You my poor pitiful fool know nothing whatsoever.  Having served in Southeast Asia during the war in Vietnam I am somewhat familiar with Cambodia.  Please enlighten me as to what you know of it or its circumstances.  

      • Zero

        I personally think America should hold up Germany as an economic model.  What’s your economic model?

    • CM

      1. What programs do you consider to be “welfare”?
      2. How much of that 5 trillion (I don’t know that that number is right, but let’s assume it is) went for “welfare” and how much went for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    • Zero

      Do yourself a favor, go to the CBO website and look up the leading drivers of the debt and deficits (1) Bush Tax Cuts, and (2) Afghanistan and ask yourself which party is trying to remedy these drivers and which one is trying to keep them in place.

      • Disgusted Listener

        Idiot. Obama has boosted the debt by nearly 50 percent in just two years. Why do you let him get away with blaming all his failures on Bush? Oh, because otherwise you’d have to admit you voted for a damned idiot because of his skin color.

        • Zero

          Here.  Educate yourself.

           http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/OutlookGraphics.pdf

  • Vince D

    At some point “We The People” need to realize that NEITHER the Republicans, nor the Democrats give a hoot about us. Sure, wave the RED vs. BLUE flags all you want, you are merely distracting everyone from the truth, the corporations control BOTH parties. Lou Dobbs was right, there is a war on the middle class, and we better start fighting back.

  • Marcelo

    It’s pure and simple Fear Mongering!  That’s all these republican candidates are doing.  Nothing more.

    • Disgusted Listener

      Unlike all the liberals here who are screaming racism. No fear-mongering there.  “The Republicans want to enslave black people!” 

  • Jim Blacknell

    I find it astonishing that this discussion could go on for the length of the program without even a passing reference to the possibility that the Republican message of “last chance”, “do or die” is meant to animate the sector of the electorate who embody the historical white supremacist values of the broad central heartland of the country. This strategy might not have been so easy to employ before the election of a Black president – an ocurrance that white supremisicts ever have imagined. While the Black descendents of slaves in this country are, at the moment, a diminshing political threat, they remain the pshychic bogeyman of blue collar, rural and heart land whites people. They are reading the code of republican rhetoric and demagoguery through the lense of their forefathers: “the Blacks are taking over.”

    • Disgusted Listener

      Typical:  change the subject and scream racism.

  • CM

    I see extreme conservatives as being paranoid and having a very distorted view of what America should be.  They seem to want to go back to the days when blacks sat in the back of the bus, when employees had no rights, when women were subservient to their husbands and stayed at home, when information wasn’t available at the click of a few buttons and it was easier to get away with lying and manipulating voters.

    • Gregg

      That’s sick.

      • CM

        Extreme conservatives are sick.

        • Disgusted Listener

          Liberals are deranged and evil.

          • kum ba yah

            smart people dont do politics yay extreamist any party need to not be able to vote if either party said they wanted to blow up all nukes in inventory some people would agree just because it is their party

    • Zero

      Conservatives in general want to relegate black and brown people to the blind-spot of American consciousness.  At least that is how it is in the South…but where would the republican party be without the South…?  

      • Modavations

        Where would the democrat party be without the ghetto?

        • Zero

          Look at the political map at the top, the counties with the highest property value vote blue.  Not all democrats are lazy black people as you seem to be insinuating. 

      • Disgusted Listener

        All of this race-baiting paranoia is nonsense. Republicans aren’t racists. You’re just coming up with names to call because you know your beloved President God-King has been a disaster for Americans of all skin colors.

        Keep playing that race card, it’s the only one left in your hand.

        • Zero

          Go sit on a Fox News or Yahoo comment board for at least 1 minute and you will see racism.  I grew up in the South in a rich and  watched racist conservatives get disheveled when Jesse Jackson came to town to register black people to vote.  The racism from the right is ramped and the clearest display is birtherism, which is a classic mode of creating “otherness.”

           

          • Zero

            Here’s what’s in my left hand you blind idiot:

             http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/OutlookGraphics.pdf

  • Gregg

    Alabama just went Santorum.

  • Modavations

    In 2006 none other then WHO,said bring back DDT.

  • Roymerritt19

    This is the same kind of crap I’ve heard my whole life and I’m 63 years old.  The ironic thing about calling people makers and takers is that the Red States, which represents the mainly Republican states are the real takers.  Everyone of them get a greater return on the dollars they pay in taxes.  And why is that?  Most of them are southern states, which is the most backward and poverty stricken area of the country.  It seems to me that this would mean they are the takers as opposed to the makers.  Either that or their ignorance means they have lost the ability to define words properly.  And despite all their piousness it is also true this part of the nation has the most D-I-V-O-R-C-E-S as well as higher rates of infidelity, incest, spousal and child abuse.  Despite their protestations to the contrary many still have deep seated prejudices and the election of Obama was heralding the end of their world.  It might be quite appropriate that red represents the GOP.  They consider the takers socialist and communist and since red also represents that ideology then they are rather correct in choosing it as their color.  Oh and by the way I’m a Tar Heel, a proud son of the south.  

  • Anonymous

    If President Obama somehow makes the brilliant decision to pick Hilary Clinton as his VP running for 2012 (I doubt this will happen, it be a sign of weakness on Obama’ part) and for some reason the GOP picks Santorum as their candidate, it would make for an interesting election season.

    • Zero

      If the electorate picks Santorum, I bet the GOP and Fox News are really going to kick themselves for the war they had on Healthcare. 

      You know, there are a few rich ass Romney supporters throwing money at Gingrich to reduce the support for Santorum, so, perhaps, “picks” has loose meaning.

      I hope a team of hotshot legal minds get around ‘Citizens United’ and writes “The Santorum Law” where no politician can use more money that what he is using in this election (factoring in inflation every 4 years).  And then set up similar laws for every other election.   

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  • Bill5

    I agree with Rick Santorum and many politicians that the America WE all love is on the line.  Will our country be ruled by extreme right wing ideologists or a more moderate government?  The end of America as we know it is on the line.  Consider the following:
         The Republicans have already demonstrated time and again that they are NOT willing to compromise, although the history and tradition of our country is based on compromise, even going back to the framing of the Constitution.  In any election roughly half the people are on one side; the other half on the other.  The minority should always have significant inputs.
         Most of the Republican Senators (41 of 48) and representatives (236 of 242) have signed the Grover Norquist pledge that theywill NEVER raise taxes.  Since when do these Republicans feel an allegiance to such a declaration is more important than the possibility that at some future time raising taxes may be in the best interest of the country?  Shouldn’t our representatives have the freedom to vote their conscience and/or that of their constituents?  They say even Regan raised taxes 5 times when he thought it was in the best interest of the country.  To me it is amazing that ALL Republicans are so afraid of a small minority that can make or break them at re-election time.  So much for absolute principles and not always putting the welfare of the country first.
         Conservatives have a much better chance of influencing a Democratic dominated government than Liberals would have influencing a Republican dominated government.
         All Republican and Democratic politicians say the existence of Super PACs is a bad idea.  Yet it was a strongly conservativeSupreme Court that ruled in the Citizens United case.  If new appointees to the Supreme Court are made under a liberalpresidency, a more moderate court would be likely.  Otherwise, under a conservative presidency, it would probably take manydecades before a more moderate court to exist. 
         To me, it is crucial that extreme conservatives do not dominate the government if we want to preserve individual liberties.  The Blunt amendment to the Transportation bill and the bills being proposed in many state legislatures re: contraception are glaring examples of extremists imposing their beliefs on the public.  And the extreme conservatives complain about the         “nanny” state.
         For those who are unhappy with the new health care bill, they should work to improve it rather than repeal it entirely.  It is veryunlikely that a replacement bill would be passed anytime in the near future-  it took over 50 years to get even one reform bill.       There are alternatives to the individual mandate, and the other controversial provisions, that should be pursued.  There are many other important considerations.  No doubt, the America we all love is on the line.

    • Zero

      You know what really sucks, Obama, at the appellate level has appointed a bunch of 40 and 50 year-olds. While Bush appointed people in their 30s.  Obama just cowers down to these shithead, my-way-or-the-highway republicans.  God forbid there is ever a democrat that tells a republican to eat it–the world might spin the other way. 

      These dumb and dumber republicans with their “socialism, communism, Stalinism” can’t understand that our democratic voice has already dissipated with the infusion of corporate interests…and Romney is particular defends corporate personhood. How is this not the most serious issue today?

  • UlTrax

    tHINK ABOUT THIS FOR SAd
    Moda and Gregg are the same person with two diff accounts
    and they continually compliment each other.

    lol lol lol lol rotfflmfao

    • Gregg

       Modavations is a handsome man.

    • Modavations

      Where’ve you been,Prison or the asylum?.Why do I think you and Feet are the same.You’re both dangerously violent,in my opinion.As for posing as Gregg and saying I’m handsome,that’s your typical Homo-erotic stuff.Last time you wanted to bugger me in a barrel,then shoot me..Welcome back,now Terry and Jeffe68 have a fruitcake that makes them pale in comparison

      • Gregg

        That was me, just feeding the hilarious conspiracy. I actually don’t know if you are handsome or not. I’m assuming you are.

        • Modavations

          I’m going to have to talk to you before I open my yap

  • Modavations

    In 2006 WHO said DDT is hardly as dangerous as you think.They said start using it again,immediately

  • Modavations

    Since no one would provide a source saying Democrats were smarter then Republicans, I took a look.The sites making this claim were ones like Tiger Droppings.Com…..The NYT said there are more liberals in Academia as it is a self selecting phenomenon.They noted Republicans gravitated to the earth sciences and Dems,the social sciences.

  • Modavations

    Of the 11 states where jobless rates are declining,everyone has Rep.Governor

    • Ray in VT

      That’s not the case for at least one state.  Vermont has a Democratic Governor, and our rate just dropped from 5.2 to 5.0

      • Gregg

        Did you here about O’Keefe’s latest video about dead people voting in Vermont?

        • Ray in VT

          Nope.  We try to be pretty vigilant about the voting rolls, but it could happen, I suppose.

          • Modavations

            Remember I told you I’d be better looking then the felon you said was me.I finally saw the photo.If I were dead and lying on the side of the road for a month,I’d still be better looking then that guy.This is levity,I’m over it

      • Modavations

        Come on Ray you quibble over nothing.I’d bet a million bucks as you get older,we’ll agree on more and more.I’m 60.They called him Leaky Leahy because he was vice chairman on the Senate Intelligence Committee and threatened to leak stories about strategy he didn’t like.hE supposedly leaked a story about Achille Lauro and an Egyptian agent was offed(Just rumor).He got in a beef over Iran-Contra,leaked the story to the NYT and was kicked off the committee.

    • Michiganjf

      It helps those red states to get far more back from the Federal Government than they put in, doesn’t it?

      Socialist hypocrites!

      • Modavations

        Every Ghetto is run and has always been run by Democrats

        • magee tats magee

          i call pre great depression merica 

          United States presidential election, 1932 — Franklin D. RooseveltOf all the realigning elections, this one musters the most agreement from political scientists and historians; it is the archetypal realigning election.[9] FDR’s admirers such as Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. have argued that New Deal policies, developed in response to the crash of 1929 and the miseries of the Great Depression under Herbert Hoover, represented an entirely new phenomenon in American politics. More critical historians such as Carl Degler and David Kennedy see a great deal of continuity with Hoover’s energetic but unsuccessful economic policies. There is no doubt Democrats vehemently attacked Hoover for 50 years. In many ways, Roosevelt’s legacy still defines the Democratic Party; he forged an enduring New Deal Coalition of big city machines, the White South, intellectuals, labor unions, Catholics, Jews, and Westerners. In 1936, African-Americans were added to the coalition (African-Americans had previously been denied the vote or voted Republican). For instance, Pittsburgh, which was a Republican stronghold from the Civil War up to this point, suddenly became a Democratic stronghold, and has elected a Democratic mayor to office in every election since this time.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1932 

          • Modavations

            Those who pick the pocket of Peter to pay Paul can expect the support of Paul.Translation…If you want your check,I expect your Democrat vote

          • Joeyargubright

            is that in the bible? hahaha and the rich dont do that for the republicans because trickle down works right because the rich are hiring because they use corporations and they have no liability so as long as they get bonuses who cares 

      • Michiganjf

        The source is AP, not MSNBC.

    • Michiganjf

      Jobless rates declining in 11 states?

      … tune into something besides FAUX News.

      Try jobless rate declines in 45 states.

      http://economywatch.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/13/10671578-unemployment-rate-drops-in-45-states

      • magee tats magee

        i wouldn’t go to msnbc it gets kinda skewed there too Rachel madow roughly = Orilly i mean she doesn’t say all women are sluts like rush but u get what i am saying i like bbc haha and then look for unbiased websites if they dont have it

        • Michiganjf

          The source is AP, not MSNBC.

          • Modavations

            Perhaps you are so biased she took MSNBC for granted.I thought the Little Red Book,or Mein Kampf(?)

          • magee tats magee

            what your saying is, they are communist and then fascist i don’t know who told u about political ideologies but they are opposites so u are speaking out of your a** and of course i was saying that some of msnbc is left leaning and he is right tho they use ap sources in their entirety unlike fox

        • Gregg

          Rush did not say “all women are sluts”. Quit lying, it doesn’t move discourse forward.

          • magee tats magee

            im sorry the 41% of women that take it are sluts 

      • Modavations

        Got it NYTimes yesterday.Front Page

  • http://sdm.mit.edu/ Lslavin

    The Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s System Design and Management Program will be offering a free webinar on March 19 from noon – 1pm that will add some interesting perspectives on how to address the current challenges. Info/registration for “A Systems Approach for Addressing the Crisis in Employment and Consumer Demand” is at http://sdm.mit.edu/news/news_articles/webinar_031912/webinar-ashford-employment-consumer-demand.html

    We hope you will join us!

    Lois Slavin
    Communications Director
    MIT System Design and Management Program

  • Slipstream

    To me the Republicans’ message makes a lot of sense from a strategic perspective.  If I was a media consultant working for them, then I would tell them they are on the right track.  What they are doing is playing to white people’s worries and memories.  Most of us can agree that America has changed quite a bit and in many ways in the last few decades.  They can get a lot of political mileage out of this nostalgic, fearful approach – the country you were raised in, that you knew and loved, is disappearing.  Now you have half-Black president with an African name.  White people are a shrinking percentage of the population.  Gasoline is more expensive than ever.  Getting into the middle class is tougher than it has been since before WWII.  This stuff scores points for them, and that is why they stick to it. 

    When Republicans begin talking about the things they ACTUALLY WANT TO DO, rather than the symbolic, emotional stuff, their approval ratings plummit.  What do they want to do?  Cut taxes for the very rich.  Gut Social Security and Medicare.  Remove regulations from banks, financial firms, and other big businesses.  Cut environmental protection to the bone.  Get the federal government out of education.  Eliminate the Affordable Care Act.  Get rid of unions.  These changes would have real (and real bad) consequences for average people, and there is very little support for them.  So on the Republicans go, trying to stir up people’s fears and resentments, rather than talking about the actual issues.

    • Modavations

      Blah,blah,blah……Pres Obama has a 41% approval rating and The White House is freaked(NYTimes).When nothing else works try pol.assassination.If that doesn’t work use the race card.Bill Clinton will tell you all about it.bY THE WAY rEPUBLICANS SWIM IN THE SAME seas as Dems,they even breathe the same air.The Bush tax cut went  35% to the poor,6% to the rich and the rest to the middle.

      Not to confuse you, but Pres.Clinton got rid of the regs.FDR said no Public Unions.CBO came out today and said Obama care will cost twice as much as advertised

      • Joeyargubright

        what are the running republicans approvals ratings  isnt romney the highest with 42% 
         http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/ 

        • Modavations

          Obama and Romney are tied

          • magee tats magee

            u did not click on the link it explains it it was a head to head poll thank you for explaining why some people are much more gullible don’t believe anything unless they can cite the information (fox cant)

          • Gregg

            Did Moda mention Fox?

          • magee tats magee

            no but i looked at what poll fox used and it was 42% so i found one that said 42% 

    • magee tats magee

      that was perfect …. 
      the thing that makes me the maddest is when republicans can rattle off what fox tells them to but when u ask for details or where it came from there is no credible proof especially with gas prices what do u want Obama to do become a speculator? he has no power over oil speculators, but somehow he wants gas prices to go up because the main contributor to the Democratic party is oil lords and big business CEOs that can choke off supply with the closing of refineries 
      http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/travel/gas-prices/index.html?iref=allsearch 

    • Gregg

      That’s sick.

    • Bmarrocco

      Written as a one who buys what liberal media says about the conservatives.  Almost all media is liberal.  They do not like to say nice things about conservatives so if you buy their rhetoric you think exactly as you wrote.

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  • Me

    The Republicans want the USA to be owned and controlled by the rich. Period!

    • magee tats magee

      where have u been money talks 30k a seat at obama fundraiser just as bad i mean its not as much as a seat at republican fundraiser but its all about the benjamins

  • Heaviest Cat

    Once again, Tom’s reading list is biased towards the economic and political elites. Isn’t he aware of any alternative views? That’s sort of like a pianist who isn’t aware of anything beyond the C major scale.

    • Rousseau

      I completely agree. I have made repeated requests to the Onpoint team to invite people who approach economics from a heterodox approach. They have many economists in the neck of their woods (UMass Amherst) who subscribe to a plural approach in economics.

  • jm

    Doesn’t anyone see that booth parties are two parts of a whole. The wings of the the same bird. Doesn’t matter who you vote for in the end they work for the interest of the highest bidder. They only make it sound as if they have your interest in mind until they get into office. Then the people who baught them there way into office give them their orders. We all seen what happens when they go against them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sadko-Threeohone/100003800125365 Sadko Threeohone

    America is FUCKED
    I did a survey today and it came back with the results, only 28% would re elect Obama only 25% are in favor of amnesty for illegals, only 20% in favor of obama care 80% would repeal obama care right now.The American people are ready to cut spending , try to cut some taxes for poor and middle class, tax the rich FAIRLY and STOP all this liberal cry baby stuff… But you can be sure no matter who we elect, education will still suck, 10,000 illegals a day will pour across the border, spending and the debt will zoom out of control, 6000 Americans a Year will be killed by illegal alien invaders, the econmy will still suck and gas will be 5.00 plus a gallon, child molestors will be coddled, Homos will be getting married everywhere and will be whinning about their “rights” along with the illegal alien child rapists and murderers, etc…. these politicians get their directions from the lobbyists and assholes like george sorros NOT from the People, so our country is pretty much fucked,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Last month an illegal alien raped and basically fucked to death a one month old baby girl in albuquerque… happens all the time, but if I call an “undocumented downtrodden worker” a “wetback that should get the fuck out of my country”” then I am a racist fachist asshole! In this kind of Bill Mahr atmosphere, our country is pretty much fucked.

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