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A Sexual Counter-Revolution?

Historian Nancy Cohen says Rush Limbaugh is just the tip of the iceberg, that there’s a sexual counter-revolution out there that wants women barefoot and pregnant again.

Radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, one of six judges for the pageant, speaks during a Miss America news conference in Las Vegas Jan. 27, 2010 . Limbaugh drew fire Friday, March 2, 2012 from many directions for his depiction of a college student as a "slut" because she testified before Congress about the need for contraceptive coverage. (AP)

Radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, one of six judges for the pageant, speaks during a Miss America news conference in Las Vegas Jan. 27, 2010 . Limbaugh drew fire Friday, March 2, 2012 from many directions for his depiction of a college student as a "slut" because she testified before Congress about the need for contraceptive coverage. (AP)

Rush Limbaugh’s nationally-broadcast attack on a young female law student as a “slut” and a “prostitute” who should post videos of her sex life online has lit up the social media world and millions of conversations in the last week.  Dozens of advertisers have pulled their commercials from Limbaugh’s show.

He says he’s not worried. That it’s like losing “a couple of French fries” at the drive-thru.  My guest today says there’s a bigger story here.  A deep pushback against cultural change and the advancing rights of women.

This hour, On Point:  a cry of sexual “counter-revolution.”

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Nancy Cohen, is a historian and author of Delirium: How the Sexual Counterrevolution Is Polarizing America.

Mary Kate Cary, is a former White House speechwriter for President George H.W. Bush. She blogs for U.S. News & World Report. Her latest article on Rush Limbaugh is here.

From Tom’s Reading List

The Washington Post “Cohen’s theory goes like this: the sexual revolution gave us feminism and gay rights, which led to a shadow movement, a Republican backlash that was “ideologically powered, strategically organized, and well-financed.” This shadow movement has had staying power, she argues, influencing power politics for the past 40 years.”

Media Matters “Looking back though, there was a key moment when conservative voices could have helped Limbaugh avoid this crisis. There was a moment last week when they could have weighed in on the budding scandal and tried to alert Limbaugh that he was wading into dangerous territory by acknowledging, however timidly, that his sexist comments about Fluke’s sex life were uncalled for and disrespectful. ”

National Review “Despite the White House’s rather successful efforts to reframe the media and congressional debate over the HHS “contraceptive mandate” as a right-wing jihad against “women’s health” — a cynical ploy aided and abetted by Rush Limbaugh’s one-man circular firing squad — the real battle against the mandate and in defense of religious freedom has continued. ”

Excerpt: Delirium: How the Sexual Counterrevolution Is Polarizing America

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  • Roy Mac

    Come ON!  Limbaugh is an entertainer who sells soap for a living, just like the Kardashian “sluts,” or Bill Maher.  To give him policy cred is just silly, as is any insistence that actual policy arises from entertainers’ acts.  He is most certainly able to be incredibly crude and outrageous–but not influential.

    That goes double for sociologists or political speechwriters.  People who actually affect policy are NOT in entertainment, journalism, public relations, or academe.  So very sorry to insult those who labor under the illusion that they do anything beyond amuse.

    • Reverendrhythms

      Excellent point, Roy. That has been Limbaugh’s apology from the get go. His legions have been trying to tempt him into leaving entertainment to become a politician, and he has carefully kept his distance. He knows he can be far more influential as a “media personality” than he can as a serious policy maker. He knows that politics is the art of compromise, and his whole schtick is rooted in his oft lauded freedom to do what he wants to do, say what he wants to say. His advertisers reap the benefits of his uncompromising, “my way” persona. We all are allured by his apparent lack of accountability to anyone or any thing but profit. Fact is, he personifies an illusion. But there’s enough of us who love illusion way more than reality. Success!

    • TFRX

      To give him policy cred is just silly.

      He is—not influential.

      Submitted without comment.

  • Donald Perley

    If it’s really about religious freedom meaning you don’t have to spend money on things you religiously oppose, why aren’t they also pushing war tax exemptions?

    • Yar

      Donald, turn the tax exemption around, Why are the rest of us forced to support tax exempt organizations?  By allowing people to receive a deduction on money given to the church, it means that everyone else must pay more because the charitable deduction redirects money that would otherwise be tax revenue.  Religious freedom should mean churches don’t get special treatment in the tax code.

  • RC

    What about circumcision for non-Jews and prescription drugs for the folks who believe in the ultimate power of prayer … where does Religious objection begin and where does it stop?

  • Yar

    From Delirium:
    “The GOP’s problem is that these voters make up a small minority of the electorate, just 15 to 20 percent of potential voters in a national election.”
    That is just the point, a small number of single issue voters can determine an election.  I think it is not so much the issue, it is the power of manipulating a group for votes.  Polarization for the sake of divide and conquer politics. 

    Rush Limbaugh’s most inflammatory comment
    “Folks, if you ask ‘em — if you ask ‘em — the Washington, DC, Department of Health will send you free condoms and lube. The DC Department of Health free condoms and lube if you just ask ‘em for it! So, Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here’s the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. And I’ll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch….”

    This is the most disturbing of his comments?  It is difficult to claim sexual fundamentalism and advocate voyeurism.
    Limbaugh’s main problem is he got caught telling the truth: he wants to watch.
    How will he talk his way out of his statement? Quid-Pro-Quo, the definition of sexual harassment, and there it is in black and white.

    • JustSayin

       I was discussing this with one of my republican friends yesterday. I being older than him remember how the Republican party used to be, and how it has been completely transformed by religious extremists. IMO It was a Faustian bargain for the true and honorable Republicans to permit the total corruption of the party platform in exchange for extremist voters.

      From Delirium: …”We’ve grown so accustomed to a Republican Party consumed with gays and abortion that many Americans likely do not know it was ever any other way. In fact, in an earlier time, the highest-ranking woman in the GOP was a pro-choice feminist. Barry Goldwater, the 1964 Republican nominee, was an ultraconservative who supported women’s right to abortion and thought Americans “had a constitutional right to be gay.” Students for Goldwater in one Ohio high school was chaired by a young Republican named Hillary Rodham. President George W. Bush’s grandfather, investment banker and Republican Senator Prescott Bush, was an active member of Planned Parenthood. The GOP as we know it today was born in the 1970s …”

  • Michiganjf

    Counterrevolution??!!

    You mean there was a time when Republicans actually respected women as equal in some way?

    I missed it, yet I never stopped paying attention!

    Where’ditgo?

    • mm

      excellent.    

  • paolo

    Shouldn’t Tom Ashbrook be doing a program on a more relevant and pressing topic? If we are going to discuss Rush Limbaugh, how about discussing the sources of his income and who exactly runs the companies that support Rush’s
    shows financially.
    Also, what does it say about the 15%-20% of Americans who listen to this man on a daily basis and make their living this way?

    • Salzburg

      Wake up. This is appropriate!
      Why are anthropologiy classes and ethnics studies in Europe including American fundamentalists movements and extremists attitudes in their curriculums to prepare their future generations in dealing with the USA?
      These attitudes drag civilizations down and if a percentage of the population is not educated enough to realize that and are accepting these views then we/they would be squandering away the talents and abilities of half our/their populations.

  • Zero

    Definitely like women barefoot but stay on the pill…a compromise eh?  

  • Female Voter

    In the beginning the Republican’s supported Planned Parenthood and woman’s reproductive rights.  It wasn’t until Nixon’s advisors realized the power of the Christian vote that the Republicans started to change their view.

    After the slow fall of women’s rights due to church infiltrating state, it is time once again for women to band together.  

    It isn’t O.K. for Rush to casually call women who want equal rights for the health and well being of woman and children “feminazis”.  Frankly I do not understand how more people aren’t addressing the use of this term.  It isn’t O.K. for elected officials and candidates to take a pass.  They should want to address the use of that ugly and debasing term. 

    If elected officials and candidates are not against what Rush says, and do not say as much, then clearly they are for it!

    • Gregg

      So Republicans don’t support women’s “Reproductive rights”? How so? How has church infiltrated state? “Feminazi” is a term reserved for a very few select ideologues not “women who want equal rights for the health and well being of woman and children”. Who is against what you describe?

      • Anonymous

        Are you married or have a girl friend?

        • Gregg

          Maybe, or I might be gay… or not. None of your business.

  • U.S. Vet.

    While I’m no fan of Rush Limbaugh,

    he has apologized for his wretched remarks, but the ‘hateful left’ apparently isn’t the forgiving type or interested in sincere apologies.

    The ‘hateful left’ apparently won’t be appeased until Rush Limbaugh gets ‘BREITBARTED’.

    P.S.

    I don’t remember the ‘hateful left’ getting upset when the Obama Administration got caught selling AK-47 assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels (Operation Fast and Furious), some of those same weapons were used to murder U.S. Border Patrol agents.

    So what’s worse, calling someone a slut or a prostitute, or selling AK-47 assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels who use those weapons to murder U.S. Border Patrol agents with? 

    • kelty

      hateful left – haha – thats rich coming from a right-wing blowhard who thinks that woman are playthings and men have dominion over the earth – the hate always starts with the bully right-wingers who are frightened over the fact they have lost control and others are finally speaking up for themselves  - your day is over pal get over yourself

      • U.S. Vet.

        “Your day is over pal get over yourself”

        Do you know when that day is coming  little kelty?

        I want to make sure I’m stocked up on plenty of ice cream.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Bristow-Johnson/575465356 Robert Bristow-Johnson

    hey Vet.  Rash Lardball does not sincerely apologize.  he goes through the motions of a partial apology when his back is up against the wall and he is forced to.

    this is the same guy who sent out his house worker to score drugs for him.

    he’s entitled.  more than that, he’s above the rules of normal acceptable behavior.  he is only sorry that this blew up in his face.  he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about how he hurt the feelings and reputation of a woman who did *nothing* to harm him or to deserve such slander that he delivered.

    he deserves to be off the air.  no one should be sponsoring his ego trip.

    • U.S. Vet.

      Limbaugh has already lost several sponsors and there’s talk about some radio stations dropping him.  I think he’s paid a pretty high price for his poor choice of words.

      The Limbaugh incident shouldn’t be getting this amount of media attention.

      Obama’s Atty. General, Eric Holder, recently said the U.S. federal goverment has the right to KILL U.S. citizens arbitrarily on foreign soil.
      http://www.infowars.com/holder-to-justify-killing-americans-on-foreign-soil/

      That’s what we as Americans should be getting upset about, the fact that Obama and Holder want to make toilet paper out of the Bill of Rights, not that Limbaugh who called some woman a slut.

      • JustSayin

         Here is another link from that website:
        Bain Capital Owns Clear Channel (Romney Supported by Talk Show sphere)

        http://www.infowars.com/bain-capital-owns-clear-channel-romney-supported-by-talk-show-sphere/

        “…Clear Channel owns more radio stations (850) than anyone else in the
        United States. They also own Premiere Radio Networks, the company that
        syndicates the radio shows of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn
        Beck, among others.

        Needless to say, Clear Channel basically owns conservative talk radio in the United States. …”

        “…Clear Channel Communications, syndicates 90 radio programs and services
        to more than 5,000 radio affiliations and reaches over 190 million
        listeners weekly. Premiere Radio is the number one radio network in the
        country and features the following personalities: Rush Limbaugh, Jim
        Rome, Casey Kasem, Ryan Seacrest, Glenn Beck, Bob (Kevoian) & Tom
        (Griswold), Delilah, Steve Harvey, Blair Garner, George Noory, John Boy
        and Billy, Big Tigger, Dr. Dean Edell, Bob Costas, Sean Hannity and
        others. Premiere is based in Sherman Oaks, California, with 13 offices
        nationwide. …”

      • TFRX

        The Limbaugh incident shouldn’t be getting this amount of media attention.

        Sounds like he’s losing and you’re upset that some people have finally caught on with the puke funnel he’s been aiming at our radio dials for a quarter century.

  • Ed

    There’s a lot of room between radical feminism and bare foot and pregnant. That space could be called normal living.

  • Patrick

    The GOP attitude towards women is the same as its attitude towards racial minorities: “Our ideology isn’t anti-you; it’s pro-everybody, so by extension we’re pro-you.”

    Hey, it’s a point of view.  But the problem is that the ideology itself is so simplistic (no taxes + no help for anyone = best outcome) that it renders a lot of conservatives unable to see the legitimate needs that different groups have for different treatment.

    Like this lunatic named Ed (below); he actually thinks that forcing a women to carry her rapist’s baby to term is more fair than giving her the right to abort that baby, even immediately after the attack.  Something about it being an “expected consequence of the attack,” like the medical care required when someone is mugged and stabbed.

    That’s the problem with simplistic ideology; it leads you to take plainly insane positions.

  • Gregg

    This is nuts!

  • Gregg

     “No, please don’t do that” and told Clinton she was married. But he
    tried to kiss her again. This time he bit her upper lip. She tried to
    pull away from him but he forced her onto the bed. “And I just was very
    frightened, and I tried to get away from him and I told him ‘No,’ that I
    didn’t want this to happen, but he wouldn’t listen to me.” But he “was such a different person at that moment, he was just a vicious awful
    person.” At some point she stopped resisting. She explained, “It was a
    real panicky, panicky situation. I was even to the point where I was
    getting very noisy, you know, yelling to ‘Please stop.’ And that’s when
    he pressed down on my right shoulder and he would bite my lip.”
    Clinton didn’t linger long afterward. “When everything was
    over with, he got up and straightened himself, and I was crying at the
    moment and he walks to the door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And
    before he goes out the door he says, ‘You better get some ice on that.’
    And he turned and went out the door.”

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      Well, this totally excuses intravaginal ultrasound.

      • Gregg

        Non-sequitur.

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          Irrelevancy.

          • Gregg

            To you maybe.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            To the topic at hand.

  • Gregg

    According to Mrs Jones affidavit, he dropped his trousers and, alluding to his genitals, asked her to “kiss it”. 

  • Anonymous

    Is there a culture of rape in a Boston college sports team? In the military?  Are the Girl Scouts promoting homosexuality along with their cookie sales?  Will ANY woman be qualified enough to be President of the US?  Of course there is a Counterrevolution going on.  It is in reaction to releasing women from restrictive roles, named “traditional” and removing men from domination on top. Between the Civil Rights Act earthquake in gender roles and the economic tsunami of 2008 are fifty years of pain for men.  They’ve lost the privilege of the best jobs and the best tee times along with entitlement to a compliant wife. They’re petulant, a la the talk show guy with the gutter mouth. And it’s getting nasty with attacks on basic health care for one half of the population including invasive vaginal requirements.  I smell fear.  Back off, boys.  We know you.  We brought you up.  A woman’s body is her own.  Do not get on the wrong side of The Other Half. She is a goddess.

    • margbi

       “Back off” is right. Don’t you guys know it’s not nice to fool Mother Nature. Or wise, either.

    • kelty

      you go girl!!

  • AC

    good idea. 7 billion+ people on the planet are not enough…??!!?? !!

    • Hidan

       Hello AC,

      Some of the talk radio folks where trying to push the line that by allowing women to have birth control the government is actually engaging in forced population control.

  • Gregg

    Bill Maher calls Sarah Palin a “cunt” and a “dumb twat” and these female lawmaker REFUSE to condemn it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ikW7ljSm3Fs

    It was announced David Axelrod will be happily appearing on Maher’s show next week.

    • Hidan

       I get it. Two wrongs make a right. weren’t you quoting Bill Maher the other day?

      It was announced David Axelrod will be happily appearing on Maher’s show next week.

      Point? Mr Bibi nutty Yahoo has appread on his show, Add Ron Christie and a vast array of both conservative and democrats.

      Nice try using the guilt by association

      • Gregg

        Do you think Axelrod will criticize Maher? Are you surprised the women I linked refused to condemn his vile language? Will you?

        • Hidan

           Frank Strategies?

          Again you link Maher the other day.  So you have no problem linking a man with vile language when he defends Rush?

          Why are conservatives linking Maher tweet defending Rush if the man is so vile?

          • Gregg

            Maher is right to defend Rush.

          • Hidan

             But you said his remarks are vile and complain that female democratic lawmakers should demand that Obama’s PAC give Maher his money back.

            Again why are folks like yourself using Maher tweet to defend Rush if he is such a vile man?

          • Gregg

            If even Maher can take this position, I don’t see why you can’t.

            I NEVER said anyone should demand Obama give the money back. However, if Obama is concerned about the message to his daughters, he would. He set the bar.

          • Anonymous

            No, he’s not. But he has the right too. He’s doing this out of his own selfish priggishness. That’s all this is.

          • Anonymous

            I detest Rush but agree with Maher that he shouldn’t be censored.

    • AC

      i think the anger towards limbaugh is that the ‘lady’ in question is just some dumb, powerless student. not a celeb/political figure with a strong support network…i don’t even know how old she is, 18/19?

      • Gregg

        AC, I condemn Rush’s choice of words on that day. I just wanted to get that out of the way.

        She is 30 but the first reports said she was 23. She is a seasoned activist and targeted Georgetown because of their policies which she intended to get changed.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI

        BTW, I apologize to you for posting the language unedited. I don’t mean to insult you as a prude but it’s not good form to say such things in mixed company. I felt I needed to. I did think about you and Ms. Dibble before doing so.

        • Gregg

          How embarrassing. That was the wrong link. I was going to use it in a snarky response to someone else but though better of it. The link was still on my clipboard, I pasted it without double checking, sorry. Here’s the right one:

          http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/stunner-georgetown-coed-sandra-fluke-is-a-30-year-old-womens-rights-activist/

        • kelty

          She choose Georgetown because it was going to give her the best possible education – she was chosen to speak becuase she had the background & expertise reuired – she pays for her own Health Insurance that is required by the College. Women should be able to expect that a college-mandated Health Insurance should cover their healthcare needs, not a strip down version due to their gender. 

      • Anonymous

        The lady in question is anything but dumb.

        • AC

          dumb does sound bad, i was thinking ‘dumb kid’ but i’m not much older! change that dumb to defenseless….

  • Gregg

    If I had a dollar for every time libs have called me a “Manila whore” and “Subic Bay bar girl,” I’d be able to pay for a ticket to a Hollywood-for-Obama fundraiser. To the HuffPo left, whore is my middle name.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2012/03/07/the-war-on-conservative-women/

    • Hidan

       Michelle Malkin for real? the women wrote a book on why it was good to throw Japanese in internment camps and why we should do the same to muslims.

      http://gawker.com/5325655/michelle-malkin-babbles-racist-nonsense-on-liberal-nbc

      http://hnn.us/articles/7092.html

      • Gregg

        My bad, she’s a “mashed up bag of meat with lipstick” so she deserves what she gets.

        • JustSayin

          But in your view, why isn’t Keith Olbermann “a kind, generous and loving person. He’s not a racist
          or a sexist. It is very easy to excerpt sound bytes and create the
          illusion he is not but it doesn’t hold up”

          • Gregg

            Olbermann is mean and nasty, it holds up.

          • Hidan

             But Malkins not?

          • Ray in VT

             Hi Gregg,
            That is exactly the feelings that many have for Rush and others who are similar to him on conservative talk radio, and they also think that it holds up.  What was it that Rush called Chelsea Clinton back in the mid-1990s?  The White House dog?

            I used to watch his show on tv back then, and I have listened to some of the guys on the radio, mostly Michael Savage, and I’ve never found it to be funny or entertaining.

            One thing I do wonder about some of partisan bomb throwers is whether or not it’s a shtick.  I read Savage’s first book (after someone accused me of trying to suppress his works), and he talked about how the ACLU would kill him if they could get away with it or something, and I thought “is this guy totally out to lunch of what?”

            Any thoughts?

          • Gregg

            I don’t like Savage… at all. He is a completely different animal than Rush. For that matter I’m not that fond of Hannity or Laura Ingraham because they browbeat callers and pat themselves on the back for doing so.

            Rush did not call Chelsea Clinton a dog. Molly Ivins is most responsible for misrepresenting the story and if you trace back ANY account that says so, it will originate with her.

            There was an incident and heads rolled but it was not what is reported. Not even close. If you want me to I will give you the details of what actually happened but maybe you’ll save me the trouble by simply believing what I just wrote. I know about this and would not lie.

          • Ray in VT

            I used to listen to Savage when I wanted to get worked up.  Sometimes he was actually tolerable.  I don’t much care for any of them, or what passes as the liberal version.  Crossfire used to amusing at times, and I loved Tucker’s bow ties, but it got old after a while.

            Relating to the Rush thing, I found a couple of accounts from 1992.  One was from Newsweek.  It said that he showed a picture of her and said something about the White House dog then chalked it up to a joke or a glitch or something.

          • Anonymous

            So lets sum up.
            Limbaugh and Malkin are good folks who are just expressing their points of view.

            Olbermann and Maher are bad men for saying bad things about the poor right wing folks.

            For the record, I don’t like Olbermann and Maher very much. I’m not one for calling woman names.

            Of course this is now the tit for tat thing. You will keep pointing the finger at Maher and cry foul. That’s not the point. The point is Limbaugh spent days insulting a private citizen, he did so with a false premise, as Miss Fluke never talked about her sex life at all.
            Limbaugh made this happen by doing what he did. Miss Fluke did not. Do you get this or not?

          • Gregg

            That doesn’t sum up squat.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            Only because you didn’t read it.

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      Does Malkin have a citation to, oh, I don’t know, a nationally-syndicated radio show on the public airways?

  • Hidan

    Let this stoy die,

    We all know Limbaugh a D@anafrag:disqus
    k, both sexist and racist all this is doing is giving the guy more PR and the righies will rally to his defense no matter how nasty he gets.

    American are fickle and will move on to the next outrage by Nov and Limbaugh only said what many righties already believe.

    • AC

      how did you do that? also, why?

      • Gregg

        I think it must have been a glitchy mistake… weird.

        • AC

          i dont feel so good being part of limbaugh’s anatomy….(or it’s representative thereof) :(

      • Hidan

         glitch, I used the @ after the D so instead of Limbaugh is a D%ck the auto @ pulled your name.

    • TFRX

      No. Letting this die is a success for Limbaugh. NPR, especially, accepts lots of happy horseshite from the right’s propaganda press without actually putting its cap on and thinking, “Wow, maybe both sides don’t do it.”

      Letting this go without an hour show like this, properly handled, is akin to wiping off vomit which ought to be scrubbed out with bleach.

  • Gregg

    Here’s the thing, and I refuse to shy away from it because I know it’s true, Rush Limbaugh is a kind, generous and loving person. He’s not a racist or a sexist. It is very easy to excerpt sound bytes and create the illusion he is not but it doesn’t hold up.

    Now we are hearing he has lost 32 sponsors and will be suspended, neither are true.

    • Anonymous

      Oh please, you can’t really believe that.
      I’m not sure what he’s like in person, I’ve read accounts that he’s very pleasant. That said, he uses his show to fill the air waves with bile.  

  • Newton Whale

    Rush Limbaugh’s comments were a big deal because he is the most listened to radio voice in the world.

    He has an enormous influence on the rest of conservative talk radio, and the Republican party as well.

    How influential is Rush? He has 15 million weekly listeners. While they were sitting presidents, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush appeared 7 times on his show. While he was Vice President Dick Cheney appeared numerous times. Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleeza Rice appeared. George W. Bush’s press secretary Tony Snow and his deputy chief of staff Karl Rove guest hosted for Rush.

    The top 7 radio talk shows are ALL right wing, and they total 60 million listeners weekly.

    Rush broadcasts 3 hours a day, 5 days a week, all year long.
    He is the voice of the modern Republican Party.

    There is literally nothing like him and conservative talk radio on the left.

    • Gregg

      All true, well said. My only quibble is he is not the voice of the Republican Party, he is the voice of Conservatives.

      • Anonymous

        OK lets split some hairs.

        • Gregg

          There is a chasm between Republicans and Conservatives.

          • Anonymous

            Well, a lot of Republicans are Conservatives. An awful lot.

          • TFRX

            Let’s you and them fight.

            Put you and the “not real conservatives” into a locked room (metaphorically) and whoever comes out alive the mainstream media will give the mantle of Real Conservative.

    • Ndorf66

       All of this is true Newton.  Which goes to show you how pathetic and messed up mainstream conservatism has become.  However, if his advertisers keep leaving him in mass, he may soon cease to by the voice of conservatism.  No advertisers = no Rush.

      “The top 7 radio talk shows are ALL right wing, and they total 60 million listeners weekly.”

      It makes me want to pull my hair out when I hear people refer to the media as “the liberal media.”  At what point will conservatives say…”Ok, we are no longer being silenced by the oppressive liberal media who are forcing their socialist ideas on us.”?  How many more millions do they need before we can finally call the media what it really is…the transnational corporate owned conservative media. 

      • Gregg

        At least 1 of the 8 sponsors that left the show is begging to come back. Another saw their stocks plummet 12%. There are already 3 brand new sponsors. You’re dreaming.

        • Ndorf66

           8 sponsors?  It’s in the 30′s that have now left his show.

          • Gregg

             Not true.

  • Jasoturner

    “Counterrevolution” overstates things by a couple of orders of magnitude methinks.  Can you find a gaggle of misogynists and republican crazies to make a point?  Sure.  But there is no broad based movement to claw back women’s freedom to control their own lives.  At least not here in the People’s Republic.

    • Anonymous
      • Ray in VT

        Did any of you see the measure proposed by the Georgia Democratic women?  It was a good one.  A modest proposal one might call it.

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          Was that the vasectomy one?

          • Ray in VT

            Yes.  It was hilarious, no?

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            A little, but I liked it because the reaction was a biting vindication of the point she was making.

        • TFRX

          Don’t forget the rectal exam proposal before the E.D. drugs. I think that was Virginia, but it may have spread.

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      “In the first six months of 2011, states enacted 162 new provisions related to reproductive health and rights.”

      “In the other three states, however, the cuts to family planning funding were disproportionately large: Montana eliminated the family planning line item, and New Hampshire and Texas cut funding by 57% and 66%, respectively.”

      “North Carolina adopted a measure that explicitly bans Planned Parenthood from obtaining funding, including Medicaid, through the state. Since North Carolina is a Title X grantee, the measure blocks Planned Parenthood affiliates in the state from receiving Title X funds.”

      http://www.guttmacher.org/media/inthenews/2011/07/13/index.html

      “Anti-Abortion Georgia Lawmaker Proposes Law that would Criminalize Miscarriages”

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/antiabortion-georgia-lawm_n_827340.html

      “The bill signed by McDonnell on Wednesday is a watered-down version of an earlier bill that would have required women to undergo a trans-vaginal ultrasound and would have applied to all abortions, even those that resulted from rape or incest.”

      Need I continue?

      • Jasoturner

        No, I am sufficiently rebuked…

      • kelty

        the list goes on and on and is added to daily

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          But I’m assured that it’s all okay because Bill Clinton was a sleazeball and N.O.W. said nothing.

          • kelty

            oh, ok, I guess, just forget it then??? :(

            people are eejuts sometimes 

          • Gregg

             Non-sequitur.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            Irrelevant false equivalencies. I’ll happily cease ridiculing your ridiculous comments the very minute you cease making them.

  • Hidan

     Bill Maher wants you to forgive Rush

    A privileged white guy who makes sexist comments would like us to pardon a privileged white guy for doing the same
    http://www.madame.salon.com/2012/03/07/bill_maher_wants_you_to_forgive_rush/

    And no doubt there are plenty of talking heads – the ones who erroneously keep insisting that liberals and feminists have no problem with Maher’s track record of offensive remarks – who’d go along with him.But as a matter of fact, lots of us were revolted when Maher called Sarah Palin a “cunt” and a “dumb twat,” and were grossed out by his ill-timed assessment of Lara Logan’s “intrepid hotness” last year. We actually don’t find sexism adorable just because someone lets Marc Maron on his show.

    Moreover, here’s a reminder. Limbaugh’s remarks about Sandra Fluke were not about a “public figure” –- they were about a relatively unknown law student. They were made again and again, dozens of times, over a full three-day period in which he called her a whore and a slut and demanded she post videos of herself having sex. They were followed by a deeply unsatisfying statement that “my choice of words was not the best.” Since then, the marketplace has asserted itself, American style, with both consumers and advertisers deciding what form of conversation they choose to support with their time and money.

    • TFRX

      Bill Maher has his blind spots, but for a rich white guy he seems more attuned to basic human dignity, and the abuse of power, than many other media figures.

      This is not Maher’s shining hour.

  • Newton Whale

    Incredible as it seems, four Republican women senators voted for the Blunt Amendment which would have allowed ANY employer to deny ANY health care coverage to ANYONE if it is “contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions” of the employer.

    They were Senators Kelly Ayotte (NH), Susan Collins (ME), Kay Bailey Hutchinson (TX), and Lisa Murkowski (AK).

    Senator Murkowski went home to Alaska, got an earful from her constituents, and then said this:

    “I have never had a vote I’ve taken where I have felt that I let down more people that believed in me,” 

    “I heard a lot [from my constituents] because it was in the news this weekend,” Murkowski told TPM Tuesday afternoon after attending a weekly GOP policy lunch. “I will tell you, it’s not so much just the discussion about contraception that the Blunt amendment precipitated. There’s just an awful lot that’s been going on. There have been some comments made by some of our presidential candidates. There was the incendiary comments made by Rush Limbaugh.” 

    “I think [these incidents] are just adding to this sense that women’s health rights are being attacked — that in 2012 we’re having a conversation about whether or not contraception should be allowed,” Murkowski told TPM. “I think most thought that we were done with those discussions decades ago.” 

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/murkowski-gop-has-spun-out-of-control-on-contraception.php 

    So when Republicans complain that Democrats are making up the “war on women”, and reporters like Jessica Yellin parrot their talking points at Presidential press conferences, check out the chart below and remember Senator Murkowski’s observation that  “women’s health rights are being attacked”.

  • mary elizabeth

    It is sad that so many take Limbaugh seriously.  His greed seems to be the driving force causing him to attach his fear and hatred to anything that would diminish his take.  It is doubtful he cares much  for  “the common good”.  The day after Obama sworn in,  right wingers addressed each other as “Comrade’ and agreed that he is a  “commie  b#####.”   threatening to raise their taxes.
    Be assured that if there were no liberals, no Obama, no Fluke, He would find others to humiliate, his need to do so,  like Coulter et al, is so deep.  Maher is pretty vile also, but usually in defense of others, not just his wallet.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see this ending well for Republicans… although Rush and his right wing sexist croanies can stir up men and women about various ideals, when they start alienating women by ranting in way that threaten women’s rights in a very real way, women will no longer be able to remain silent. Rush, his fringe Republican friends, and these spineless populist candidates might has well have jumped in front of a speeding train, because women will rise up against them this fall. They are on the record now and these are not the ill-conceived utterances of naive youth.

    • Gregg

      How has Rush (or anyone) threatened women’s rights in a real way?

  • notafeminista

    The Left uses everyone else’s bad behavior to excuse their own.

  • Liberty097

    The war on women takes place in the fall of every even numbered year-in the deluded minds of leftist political operatives.
    Just keep yelling “EXTREME!!!!!” loudly enough.  That will work-just like it did in 2010.
    Meanwhile the real war on women, which will leave them and their children mired in decades of Greek-like poverty, takes place every day as 5 billion more is borrowed to sustain the unsustainable government the socialist core of the Democrat party needs to get its votes out.

  • Isaac, in Groton CT

    When a prominent Republican fund-raiser makes a “joke” that this whole birth control issue would be much simpler if women would hold an aspirin between their knees, I thought it was obvious. Has anybody really believed that the Republican Party hasn’t incorporated misogyny into its policies? Anybody who’s been paying attention to their policies?

    Do I have to go dig up the chart that explains how the Republican position on abortion is less about preserving life than it is about punishing loose women? Do I need to explain how inconsistent it is for the religious right to be opposed to both abortion and mandated insurance coverage for birth control, if their moral concern really is the sanctity of life?

    On abortion, Rick Santorum is the most honest guy out there. His positions are truly based on a preservation of life, and that’s why he would provide no exception to a ban on abortion for rape or incest.

    • William

      Which woman’s group or organization complained about the over the top attacks on Gov. Palin?

  • odchere

    Some of these comments go way off the topic, the recent and accelerating negative reactions about women and their rights.
    When the commentary fades off, it goes into talk by men (and a few male-identified women) about men.  Not the issue.  But an interesting example of a male-centric mind-set.

    • Ray in VT

      Some women whom I know are really upset by the way in which people throw around the word rape.  People should just tone down the rhetoric.  The thing about talk radio, though, is that overblown rhetoric and outrageous statements are seen to be good for ratings.

      • Modavations

        This guy went to a website that lists felons,found someone with my name and printed the  picture on yesterdays forum.He knew it wasn’t me,just being malicious.This is MacCarthyism at it’s worst

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          It’s only McCarthyism if “this guy” was a U.S. Senator and he was conducting hearings to determine whether people who look like felons ought to be persecuted.

          • Modavations

            Ray says it’s cool to use MCCarthy’s tactics because he was a republican.Ray says Prof.Lindzen,Sloan Chair MIT ,doesn’t know about Global Climate because he smokes cigarrettes.Ray won’t read Atlas Shrugged nor Fountainhead because the author is a right winger.Ray is probably the only person on NPR who has not read Ayn Rand

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            Cry about it.

            I’m not Ray.

          • Ray in VT

            It must be nice to have as much free time as you seem to.  I really enjoy how you make up stuff that people “say”.  Yesterday I probably would thrown a few back at you.  You certainly give people plenty to work with.

          • Anonymous

            Indeed he does.
            Methinks the lady doth protest to much…

          • TFRX

            Jeffe, I don’t know that it’s called for to say “lady” unless Moda’s doing one of his classy gender-bending insults.
            People know what “doth protest too much” means already.

        • Ray in VT

          Do you have a comment that is relevant to what I said here?  Your one above is actually pretty good.  You would better serve the users of this forum by providing substance like that.

        • Gregg

          Dang man, I went out on a big limb for you. You’ve made your point now let it go.

          • Modavations

            done!!!!!!!!!!

          • Ken

            Ms. Cohen is mistaken to label every reaction to the sexual revolution as fundamentalist. Many, many people, Democrats even, have conservative views of sexuality and proper sexual behavior but are appalled by Limbaugh’s comment and the culture and culture war talk of the Religious Right.

  • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard
  • Anonymous

    Watching Michelle Bachmann try so hard not to apologize for Rush, one does have to wonder about this topic. Might be something to it.

  • Guest

    Bill Maher and countless other democratic talk show hosts and TV stars have repeatedly said worse things about Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin but no one in the media said much about it and they have never appologized. 

    Lets talk a little about Bill Maher, sexist, hatefull rants today.

    • Ray in VT

      Agreed.  If we’re going to discuss the comments from the right on the show today, then certainly similar comments from the left should also be considered.

      • Isaac, in Groton CT

        Rush Limbaugh’s comments are portrayed as being part of something bigger, Ray, at least by the stuff we get at the top of the page. It isn’t necessary to create a false sense of balance in order to discuss whether there is a PR campaign against women’s rights.

        • Gregg

          If you are pro-choice you can be a serial abuser of women and NOW will still love you. Ask Bill Clinton. Rush never abused women.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            And?

          • Gregg

            I think that pretty much says it all. Where am I wrong?

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            Who says you’re wrong? Even if you’re right, I’m asking you how it matters.

            I think your reliance on bad personal behavior of some in the face of bad public policy by others pretty much says it all.

          • Gregg

            Serial abuse of women = Bad personal behavior?

            Requiring a Jesuit college to provide contraception = Good policy? 

            That’s crazy, we’re done here.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            They’re not required to provide contraception.

            Stop lying or go home.

        • Modavations

          Someone let this kid out of his submarine.Breath deep son.

      • Modavations

        Ray wants to hear from all sides.Ray went to a web sites for felons.Found a guy with my name and posted it on yesterdays forum.Ray knew it wasn’t me.Ray couldn’t have cared less.He’s a real piece of work

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      Does that mean you think Rush Limbaugh  represents part of a conservative misogyny?

    • ebw343

      Democratic politicians are not and never have been afraid of Bill Maher. Republicans – both candidates and officeholders – have, until this week, offered sniveling apologies whenever they offended Rush.

      Let’s keep false equivalencies out of this.

      • TFRX

        Anyone who says “false equivalency” in this mediascape gets a “like”.

    • Oedipa Mossmoon

      Methinks you’ve never even heard said rants or know the content of said rants. Just been told that there’s a false “equivalency” that you can use to run to the interwebs and rant about.

  • Anonymous

    Limbaugh learned that language and how you use it means something. This man has built a career out of using language to demean others. That he’s suffered from it now, for attacking a citizen serves him right. He stepped over the line of free speech, period.

    That said, I don’t think he represents a threat to women, I think he represents a sad commentary on certain kind of men of his ilk. 

    • William

      So you think David Letterman’s comments about one of Gov. Palin’s daughter were “over the top”?

      • Anonymous

        I don’t watch Letterman. If he made demeaning comments about her, yes I do.
        I’m not a fan of Palin but one can have at her absurdity without being vile. John Stewart and Colbert seem to do a pretty good job of lampooning people without calling them names.

        • Modavations

          You know what he said.Something about getting lai-ed by a NY Ballplayer.

      • TFRX

        Let’s see: Twenty five years of Rush, and one or two utterances of Letterman? And Rush is a right-wing political force, so you think that makes Letterman a lefty?

        Rush, in his bubble, with a fake apology, and Letterman, having to face a live audience in person every night, did what? (And provide citations.)

        Yes, let’s equivocate that.

        • Willaim

          Yes, Dave is a major lefty. And he made a fake apology. And he got little if any critism from the media.

          • TFRX

            When a Dem countermands Dave Letterman, and when a Republican says “Rush may have gone too far”, the same thing happens.

            Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

  • Guest

    Lets talk about something important, not this dumb drivel used to distract the heards of uninformed voters in the US, from the failures of the Obama Administration.

    Almost a year ago, a story broke that connected the very powerful SEIU with a plan to bring down a major U.S. bank and the Stock Market along with it. This weekend, a video surfaced showing SEIU and the Occupy Wall Street movement in a formal training session that talks about abolishing

    • Guest

      This weekend, a video surfaced showing SEIU and the Occupy Wall Street movement in a formal training session that talks about abolishing Capitolism in the US!

      • Modavations

        They meet in the White House.Actually in the White house proper.They intend a race war,led by Union Storm Troopers

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          A race war? What are you, a Stormfront transplant?

          • Modavations

            The world is Machievellian.The world has been Machiavellian since Cain and Abel

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            Cryptic, if completely unhelpful.

          • Af_whigs

            Well, good for the Stormtroopers for unionizing.   Darth Vader would run them into the ground if he could.  That guy has no sympathy. 

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      That’s not today’s topic. Come back when it is.

      • Gregg

         It will never be a topic on this show.

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          Well, then I guess this will never be the appropriate place to write unhinged rants about it, then. Oh, well.

          • Modavations

            When it’s counter to leftist theory it’s always “unhinged rant”,with you guys.The invective,inane name calling never stops..Ray from Vt,makes Joe McCarthy look like a piker.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            Cry about it.

          • Modavations

            Lefties cry,real men get revenge

          • Anonymous

            So what’s your excuse?

          • Modavations

            Not a bad one.No intellectual riposte,but still better then your usual

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            Moda, Riposte to your whinging?

          • Modavations

            Only S.Africansay Whinge.Are yufrom Joburg?

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            Massachusetts.

          • Ray in VT

            I could respond in kind, but Gregg and Fredlinskip and I had an exchange last night, and as amusing as I found yesterday to be, and I’m trying to keep it civil today.

          • Gregg

             It’s quite serious.

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            I bet.

      • Modavations

        I’d much rather discuss the SEIU.Pres.Obama has Stern and Trumpka to the White House more then anyone else

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          I’m sure you would. That’s not today’s topic.

    • TFRX

      This “dumb drivel” drives our political tastemakers in the mainstream. NPR aids and abets it, and plays sucker for it all the time.

      Now that we’ve got the straw of Rush’s repeated misogny which may appear to break the camel’s back, it’s “ooh, it’s silly, not important, who cares”?

      Pfft.

  • Modavations

    Since 1991 Rush has been the most listened to man in the U.S..He has 15-20 million listeners per week.Why do you think that’s so?NPR Morning Edition-All Things has 13 million per week.The country is 40% Left and 40% right.Those on the right feel the rest of the media biased to the left and thus Rush’s success.I listen to all sides.My advice is this.Read the editorial page of the NYT then WSJ,then decide.Listen to Brookings then Heritage,then decide.

  • Modavations

    I’ve listened to Rush for twenty years.He’s taught me tons,made me howl with laughter.Sometimes he’s off his game,but what do you want for twenty years.I hardly consider him racist nor misogynist.He also gives away fortunes to charity.

  • Modavations

    The Left uses the womans movement when politically expedient.NOW had nary an ill word for Mr.Weener,during his heyday.After 10 days NOW Brooklyn(?) said  we back him because his politics are correct.NOW, during Pres.Clinton said he’s entitled to one grope,but he better not do it again.A poster of NPR said Ms.Bachman needed sex toys.They posted more then 5 times.No woman on NPR said a thing,nor did the men.

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      Citations needed. Lots of them.

      • Modavations

        never

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          Well, at least you’re consistent.

    • Gregg

       I spoke up, it was hideous.

      • Modavations

        The only one who came to her assistant was some old,straight guy.He said he was broken hearted by what NPR had become.I missed your commentThanks for the assist yesterday.I done with the issue

        • Af_whigs

          I don’t get your point.  Who cares what NOW has to say about private affairs?  It’s a private moral issue, not a public crucifiction by a windbag demagogue over a publicly debated personal freedom issue.

          • Modavations

            I’ve got your CD,it sucks.My opinion

    • Oedipa Mossmoon

      No excuse for Weiner’s or Clinton’s romps, but keep in mind they did that in private, whilst advocating for policies that were generally favorable to women. Rush is not only making his vitriolic case in public, but that case is by and large unfavorable to women.

      • Modavations

        NPR is a cottage industry for dodgers,excuse makers.Look what the left’s welfare system did to the black family(there is none).Me,Moynihan and Bill Cosby are called traitors

        • Anonymous

          Me thinks you are way to swelled in the head. You list yourself with Moynihan and Bill Cosby as if you are equal to them.

          I know a fair amount about Daniel Patrick Moynihan, grwoing up in New York, and you sir are no Daniel Patrick Moynihan. 

          • Modavations

            Tell the class what Mr.Moynihan sent of the unintended consequence.

          • Modavations

            said

    • Anonymous

      Goody, lets all devolve back to 5th grade playground antics and have it then.

    • Anonymous

       Fascinating to find that Modavations listens so closely s/he can state”no woman on NPR said a thing…”

  • Modavations

    The Womans movement told the ladies go get a career,have your babies later.You are supposed to have the babies at 20, not 40yrs.old.This is why there is a spike in Autism.ADHD is fake,just bad parenting.My opinion

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      So, then, you’re part of the counterrevolution?

    • Oedipa Mossmoon

       Way to make sweeping generalizations! Just like Rush!

    • Julia

      That is complete conjecture, not science. Get educated!!

    • BOO

      piss off you know nothing troll

      • Modavations

        Look it up kids,the egg atrophies.Old guys remain potent.Problems arise when old guys mate with young women.I never lie intentionally.I never post under a phantom.

        • Ray in VT

          Tony Bennett popped out a kid with his wife when he was in his 70′s, but I’ve also seen some studies that link older fathers to increased rates of dwarfism.

          • TFRX

            Yep. Funny how it’s so easily caught on in the media that birth defects are largely the mother’s problem, yet the man’s contribution is hardly ever called into question medically.

          • TFRX

            (By “problem”, I really mean “medical issue”.)

        • bellavida

          Old guys’ little swimmers are more prone than young little swimmers to create kids with psychiatric problems such as schizophrenia.  So just because Viagra says you can…doesn’t mean you should…..create, that is.  

    • Ray in VT

      I have seen studies that link older women bearing children to higher rates of Downs Syndrome, but I’m not aware of any such info relating to autism.  You’re just flat out wrong about ADHD.  As you said, though, your opinion, but I still say that you’re wrong.  I knew a kid with Asberger’s, and I thought that it was bad parenting, but then I met other kids with it, and the behaviors were remarkably similar.

      • Modavations

        Don’t start with the harsh language.I’ve two doctors in the family

    • Ray in VT

      I’ve seen studies linking women bearing children at an older age to higher rates of Downs Syndrome, but nothing relating to ADHD.  You’re entitled to your opinion that it is fake and bad parenting, but you’re factually wrong on that front.

      • Modavations

        Raymundo this isn’t a joke.You’ll find the info if you dig.By the way,Peace Bro

        • Ray in VT

          Is the dustup over?  There may be a link between age and higher rates, but I do disagree with your statement that it’s fake or bad parenting.  I thought that once with a kid that I knew who had Asperger’s, but when I met other kids with it, the behaviors were remarkably similar.

          • Ray in VT

            I didn’t see that my earlier post finally went through.  I didn’t mean to repeat myself there.

          • Modavations

            Peace.Let’s go raid Eden

        • Brett

          Hey, MO-D! I enjoy collecting antique carpets, but I’ll bet I could learn a thing or two from you about refining my knowledge. However, ostensibly, you know nothing about the causes of Down’s Syndrome nor anything about the causes of autism (I could be wrong, and you did note that this is your OPINION: fair enough). 

          There have been countless studies suggesting a correlation between older women having children and Down’s. Causation is another thing. I suspect it’s a lot more complicated. One thing’s for sure, a person with Down’s Syndrome has damage to his/her chromosomes.  As far as autism goes, there is no such legitimate study suggesting causal relationships between older women having children and autism. While one may find some older women somewhere who have had children with autism, EVERY woman I’ve ever met (and I’ve met hundreds and hundreds) who has an autistic child had that child before age 35 (anecdotal). Fact is, the etiology of autism is yet to be known. While I could agree with a statement that ADHD is a lot rarer than Big Pharma would have anyone believe, it is real. The shame (a gross understatement) is the over-diagnoses, the overmedication (especially without some sort of cognitive therapy), and so on. And, of course, I (as should others) completely defer to your expertise regarding anything even remotely associated with gems. P.S.-Sorry for the length. (Maybe read it in sessions, if you must.)

          • Modavations

            I own 20 Carpets.You could learn rugs from me too.I have many silk on silks.That’s 36×36 knots per square inch.The stuff melts in your hands.Tribals are my forte.I read you,but I could have said the same thing in one paragraph.Also,I stand by my post

          • Brett

            Agreed. Hey, economy comes with the second draft! 

  • notafeminista

    More to the point, what women are being marginalized?
    1)Title IX wastes millions of dollars every year to ensure women’s sports programs are present (even if participants are not).
    2)Women make up (I think it is now) 53% of the university student population
    3)Women are not excluded from any sector of the working population
    4)And in true “equal” fashion, women abuse men in almost equal numbers to men abusing women (FBI stats).

    Women don’t want the government telling them when/where/how/or if they can get an abortion and/or contraceptives.  They just want the government to pay for it.

    • Isaac, in Groton CT

      “In the first six months of 2011, states enacted 162 new provisions related to reproductive health and rights.”

      “In the other three states, however, the cuts to family planning funding were disproportionately large: Montana eliminated the family planning line item, and New Hampshire and Texas cut funding by 57% and 66%, respectively.”

      “North Carolina adopted a measure that explicitly bans Planned Parenthood from obtaining funding, including Medicaid, through the state. Since North Carolina is a Title X grantee, the measure blocks Planned Parenthood affiliates in the state from receiving Title X funds.”

      “Anti-Abortion Georgia Lawmaker Proposes Law that would Criminalize Miscarriages”

      “The bill signed by McDonnell on Wednesday is a watered-down version of an earlier bill that would have required women to undergo a trans-vaginal ultrasound and would have applied to all abortions, even those that resulted from rape or incest.”

      Need I continue? I can copy the links from my other post if you need.

      • notafeminista

        Yup.  You’ve not yet refuted my statement…assuming that was your intent.

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          Well, there’s only a certain part of your statement that I feel needed to be refuted; the rest of it wasn’t terribly pertinent: “More to the point, what women are being marginalized?”

          When Republicans consistently gut government policies in such a way that hurts women, or makes it harder to exercise control over their own bodies, then some amount of marginalization is happening. Do you dispute this?

          • notafeminista

            So…you’re not denying that women don’t want government in their uteruses, they just want the government to pay for the prevention of a fetus IN their uterus.  Yes?

          • Isaac, in Groton CT

            I’m not addressing it at this particular moment.

          • TFRX

            Try harder to make your case.

          • Modavations

            I understood,then I again I’m not limited to the Left Cortex

    • kelty

      Its always a shame to see a woman who hates others of her own sex – isn’t it bad enough we have to take crap from guys who want to keep their foot on our necks without having to fight off the attacks of our own sex

      • notafeminista

        I don’t wait around for a man (or woman for that matter) to tell me what to do.  Do you?

        • Modavations

          As Rush would say…Right on,right on,right on

    • Modavations

      I’ve finally learned something on NPR.Thank you madam

    • TFRX

      And in true “equal” fashion, women abuse men in almost equal numbers to men abusing women (FBI stats).

      Bull. Prove it. Prove that a slap from a woman is the same as a baseball bat whacking from a man.

    • bellavida

      I don’t want the government to pay for it.  But if a private insurer pays for Viagra..then it should pay for my birth control.  

  • SteveV

    Do we really believe the average American woman cannot think and act for herself? Speaking for myself, I’d like to hear more women telling these folks to blow it out their ear (as my wife does quite frequently). I’m very tired of all this “political correctness” in our society. We’re all afraid to speak what’s really on our minds and tell people where the bear —- in the buckwheat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karen-Geiger/584118805 Karen Geiger

    The biggest two problems as I see it are that first, there are MANY young people who don’t understand the struggles that women have gone through in the last 40 years. They see the world as it is, if they are 20 or under and don’t realize that each and every word, law, etc. being enacted or spoken is slowly eroding all of the effort that the woman’s movement has done to ensure they have rights in the current day and age. Second, why is ALL of the focus on birth-control about women? What? Men don’t have to be responsible for their side of things? Does your insurance company pay for condoms and vasectomy procedures? 21st century. Not 19th.

    • Af_whigs

      I agree, Karen.  In this “debate” (which really is just the Right blowing a bunch of hot air) birth control is only discussed as a woman’s responsibility, which is absurd.  People like Limbaugh likely high-five guys for “getting laid” while demonizing women as whores. 

      I don’t consider my views on gender as particularly radical, but our society hasn’t progressed much beyond these outdated views of sexual activity as it relates to the sexes.  This is also highly evident in how child support is handled in our legal system.  Absentee fathers are allowed to slide and abuse the system while the system offers no help to mothers struggling on their own.

  • AC

    i would like to hear what the guest has to say. if there is some counter-revolution going on, i certainly don’t feel it here in the trenches.
    then again, most everyone i know is reasonable. no one takes people like limbaugh (or similar) seriously. they’re the standard ‘old-cranky-guy’ nonsense, their lead roles are over. time for them to hit the retirement communities and take up golf instead….

    • Modavations

      Womens rights are used by the Left only when politically expedient.Check the photo Mr.Weener was posting.I’m amazed he wasn’t jailed.NOW said squat

      • AC

        you know i don’t listen when people say ‘left’ or ‘right’.
        i hate that cheapo tactic…

        • Modavations

          Not to offend,but I don’t believe you for a second

      • Anonymous

        The Democratic party made him resign.  His personal misconduct wasn’t the same as advocating policies against women’s rights. 

  • Oedipa Mossmoon

    Some mention should be made of the women being prosecuted for child endangerment and even murder for not sufficiently nurturing their pregnancies. Rennie Gibbs is a Mississipi woman being prosecuted for murder because she miscarries whilst having a cocaine habit. Bei Bei Shuai is an Indiana women who is charge with murder for miscarrying after a suicide attempt. Amanda Kimbrough, a pro-life teenager from Alabama, denied an abortion after finding out her fetus had Downs. She unfortunately watched the baby die 19 minutes after birth, but was rung up on chemical endangerment of a child after authorities suspected she had a drug habit.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges

  • Julia

    1. Fear of change of the status quo which will result in the loss of power in relationships (micro) and in society (macro);

    2. Drives some men (in and out of power) to want to control women (and the environment, which is woman’s metaphorical equivalent), but….

    3. there will always be women who will resist. Period. Education is power, personal power and $$$ power.

    4. You can legislate my body, but you can not control my mind.

  • ebw343

     NOBODY could offer all-but-stream-of-consciousness opinions, 3 hours a day, 5 days a week for 25 years without saying some stupid stuff.

    This is why Tom set his show up with himself in the position of moderating a panel of guests, ATC uses a rolling staff of reporters and confines opinion to irregular or local 5-minute segments.

    I’d say the problem isn’t Rush, it’s the nature of commercial talk radio, but then I remember that Rush invented modern commercial talk radio.

    • BHA in Vermont

       Limbaugh is an A$$, pure and simple. He says what he believes.

      Stream of consciousness or not, the prostitute, slut, show us your sex videos to pay for the contraceptives thoughts came OUT OF HIS HEAD.  Those thoughts would not have come out of my mouth because they are NOT IN MY HEAD, not if I talked 24 hours a day 365 days a year. It is NOT the nature of commercial talk radio, it is the nature of that talk show host.

      • maria mcintyre

        Excellent.  what you said.  He is more creepy and pervy to me now…that is his nature.  and his nature should be stopped.  how do we boycott this perv?

  • Ray in VT

    Testing.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Women have a small majority of the population, no?  All they have to do is stop supporting anyone who wants to violate their rights.

  • Modavations

    Bain gives way more money to Pres.Obama,even though they own a part of Rush

    • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

      So?

      • Modavations

        I talked to your mom,she said for me to tell, you to hit the books

        • Isaac, in Groton CT

          What was it you were whining about earlier?

          • Anonymous

            Don’t waste your time, this chap is all about twisting the facts and debasing others.

          • Modavations

            Why don’t you mind your own business for a change.You’re a pertpetual downer

          • Modavations

            Issac,Issac,this guys made 50 posts in the last week.It’s always,so or burp.Don’t you think he should go hit the books

  • Troll_doll

    As man that works in an office and privy to hear what other men have to say. Believe it

  • Dana

    Women need to vote their conscious on this matter.  Enough is enough.

    • Veltag

      Conscience, maybe?  Agree that each of us should vote our convictions.  Mine happen to be ultra-conservative.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Dropping unemployment, rising house sales, DOW bumping 13k, higher oil production, lowest natural gas prices in a decade – of course the Republicans are going after social issues.

  • TFRX

    Yes, Rush’s case was so rock-fekking-solid and then he went and spoiled it by using the words “slut” and “prostitute”.

    The topic of this show is long overdue.

  • William

    Obama lectures us about being good citizens but he managed to listen to Rev. Wright’s hate filled talk for 20 years.

  • SomMom

    I wish the media would think about how long women’s reproductive life lasts — It doesn’t end when we turn 25, and yet all the talk about contraceptives has focused on young women. What does this suggest about this debate?

    • TFRX

      My take: The folks who rattle that sabre are interested in attacking the reputation of unmarried women, simply because those women are putting themselves in the position to have sex without matrimony.

      If a woman is over 25 and can pretend she’s married (much more likely, demographically speaking) she won’t draw the ire.

  • Anonymous

    I thnk Rush would be upset at the loss of a few fries too.

  • Craig

    We all have to keep in mind that this hugely vocal group who is solely focused against progress is a “minority”. Better yet, it is an aging, old and dying minority.

    Many of this group focus on religion and other issues but the bottom line is that there wouldn’t be such outrage if the economy was better. It’s really based upon money and the wish to go back to a day when the middle class could survive on one income.

    There is nothing wrong with that. I wish we could go back to that day as well, but it’s got nothing to do with womens rights. People are mad. They have a right to be mad but they are focusing on the wrong reasons for the problems we’re having today.

  • Lucy in Watertown

    If women permit their dignity and their reproductive freedom to be eviscerated by sexist and politically motivated  bullies who aim to keep them shuffling around like Aunt Jemima, it will be a sad day for women – and a sadder day for America! 

  • Randall Ney

    I generally care less about Mr. Limbaugh and his ilk.  This is different.  Mr. Limbaugh has placed himself squarely in the despicable
    company of those who seek to intimidate women through shame about sex.
      For generations, women have suffered emotionally and physically
    because of this very type of attack.  Mr. Limbaugh crossed a line, and he
    did it intentionally.   As the father of two daughters, I am outraged and dismayed by the reactions of Mr. Romney and Mr. Santorum.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    It was amusing someone who got caught trying to illegally bring viagra into the country calling someone else a “slut”.

  • Muriel

    Thanks for President Obama’s sanity, intelligence and compassion.  On the other side Romney said he would not have used the same words, which means that he agrees with the message but not the way it was delivered?  Shame on him.  Every candidate should have said that that language and discourse was unacceptable and had no place in our society.  Only Obama struck the right tone.
    What Limbaugh said is an insult to every single person in this country and totally unacceptable.

    • William

      The same should be said about the comments made by Bill Maher and David Letterman.

      • Brett

        I forgot, you’re more of an “eye for an eye” kind of guy than a “turn the other cheek.” Mohammad was more the warrior profit than Jesus…just sayin’

  • Roy-in-Boise

    It appears that the Republican party is morphing into an institution driven by social Luddites. I am the father of three daughters one of which is a law student and all I can recommend is that they: Exercise the 19th!

  • Very cynical

    Limbaugh is not stupid. His comments were planned. Breitbart croaked a few days before and this was Rush Limbaugh’s move to reclaim the title as the bad boy of the American right wing.

    • maria mcintyre

      doubted.  Mr. Limpballs did NOT think–he was being emotional, being illogical, being himself–mean and egotistical because he thinks he is untouchable.  and if nothing is done because of this–wow, his ego will go ballistic and who knows how far he will go!!

  • Ellen Dibble

    How many of  Limbaugh’s advertisers are selling products designed to enhance sexuality, to make you thinner, more muscly, appear richer (fancier cars, fancier clothing), or foods that will make you sexier, however you define it.   I don’t think anyone in the advertisement-fed media can say they don’t want Americans to be as focused as possible on being sexually provocative at all times and all ages.  HYPOCRISY.

  • June Seraydar

    Could someone please tell Mr. Ashbrook that Sandra Fluke is a woman, not “a GIRL” (opening line of today’s show).  As Rush Limbaugh has shown us, words do matter.
    .”

  • Judy

    The words “slut” and “prostitute” coming out of Rush’s mouth in relation to Sandra Fluke, was less shocking or disturbing to me than his statement that she should post videos on-line for him and others to view.  This was absolutely outrageous to me.  It implies that he and his cronies own her as soon as she decides to have her  birth control funded by her school/employer.  For someone who wants the government out of his life this is a huge, glaring hypocrisy.

    • Julia

      Only proves his state of mind: porn obsessed.

  • Julia

    Keep your chest-beating, Christian-biased laws off my body!!!

  • maria mcintyre

    Howard Dean was correct, Republicans are mean. When or where has any Democrat said something as reprehensible as what Rush Limpballs did?  Republicans are mean and they say reprehensible crazy things. 

    • Modavations

      Republican are mean but Mr Limpballs…….Hmh

      • Brett

        I know, man, Jesus! Limpballs isn’t even creative. She gets the “best hypocrisy in the span of two sentences” award for the day.

        • Modavations

          I’d hate to meet her in a dark alley

  • paj

    Tom, There are so many more interesting and worthwhile topics…Rush is divisive and fosters hate not love. Best to diminish his influence.

    • TFRX

      No. Examine it.

      After all the aiding and abetting and Nice Polite Republican-skewed “both sides do it”, those of us who want an iota of media criticism and journalism out of  public radio have waited for months for this hour.

  • Mockymur

    Limbaugh is a reeking hulk of narcissism. The snide derision of women is his schtick, for profit, but I fear the effect of his on-air behavior upon young men. They listen & laugh. This stuff is no joke to women. 

    • TFRX

      Which brings us to the oft-told joke: Rush Limbaugh proves the idea that the word “slut” is a label he reflexively gives to “a woman who wouldn’t in a million years sleep with Rush Limbaugh”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jasmarsden James Marsden
    • Anonymous

       Schultz apologized immediately, sincerely, and took himself off the air for several days.

    • Anonymous

      The tit for tat argument does not cut it.
      I for one think Olbermann, Limbaugh and others who use language to demean by calling them cunts, or sluts or anything else says more about them. There are ways to be critical, but what’s going on here is a culture of shock and that’s how these people roll.  

    • http://twitter.com/metasilk Kir Talmage

       Yup. Being a jerk isn’t limited to one or another political stripe. But need we admire or respect it regardless? Hardly. Keep calling it out!

    • TFRX

      And Limbaugh unloaded on Sandra Fluke, what, over 3 dozen times in a week?

      Then he issued a non-apology apology.

      Keep up the false numerical equivalences.

  • William

    There have been massive negatives coming out of the “sexual revolution”, unplanned abortions, births, increased number of teenagers having children, out of control STD’s, explosive growth of AIDS, 30-40 million abortions.

    • TFRX

      Wow. Just wow.

      But, yes, what women need most is to give back the Pill, other modern contraception, and sexual agency, and go back to relying on the males to put on condoms, or pull out, or have had that vasectomy that they say they got.

    • Ray in VT

      There certainly have been some downsides.  The only 100% effective method of preventing pregnancy is abstinence.

      I would possibly take issue with your characterization of increased numbers of teens having babies.  I think that that rate is much lower today than it was back in the 1950s.  If not in absolute terms, then at least in terms of rates.

      • Willaim

        I would say the rate is much higher now since abortion is legal, no shame factor, more welfare programs for single mothers.

        • Modavations

          Up to 90% out of wedlock in the ghetto.40% in the general population.70% in the black general public

    • Oma Janet

      Please read my comment. If the CHurch was doing what it should instead of trying to make people “righteous” through Man’s law, children and teens would be taught a better way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jasmarsden James Marsden

    What about the Bill Maher double standard? Where is Obama “calling out” Bill Maher when he trashes Sarah Palin in a misogynistic way? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/04/rush-limbaugh-s-apology-liberal-men-need-to-follow-suit.html

    • Anonymous

       Sarah Palin opted for the spotlight, became a public figure.  Susan Fluke didn’t. 

  • Anonymous

    Reading Mary Kate Cary’s article makes me wonder . . . has anyone considered whether Rush is really a shell for the left-wing? It’s happened before (see Daniel Defoe’s political writings . . . and I’m not just talking about satire a la Stephen Colbert). Most Republicans seem to realize how bad Rush’s statements are for public perceptions of conservatives and their election year rhetoric. He takes a debatable issue, and turns his side of the argument into an obvious straw man, and without any hint of irony. Whether he’s a shell or not, I ask, is Rush’s arrant absurdity actually a good thing for the women’s movement?

    • Anonymous

       Rush did a show maybe 15 years ago in which, for three hours, he “confessed” to being a liberal and spoke as from the left for an entire program, puzzling and enraging fans, judging from the calls.  He was very convincing.

      That happened to be the first (and close to the last) time I’ve ever listened to Limbaugh whom I find revolting, no matter his real politics! 

      But no, I don’t think he’s a liberal.  I think he’s just another opportunist of the kind our culture nourishes.  When he says he’s “just” an “entertainer,” he comes closest to the truth.  Mind you, he clearly revels in power, whether it’s political power thanks to the credulity of the Republican party, or financial power (thanks to our corrupted broadcasting system and even more thanks to those of us who buy from his advertisers).

      We do have the power to stop all this.

    • maria mcintyre

      Interesting thought. But why does there have to be a “victim” as always? that makes me mad.   And Rush is THAT self-absorbed that he doesn’t see his demise by being the scapegoat/protagonist representative of the republicans stance on this issue?  It would only be in fairy tales–the ones with happy endings. 

  • Anonymous

    For all their fulminating against Muslims, the Republican extremists have positioned themselves closer to Muslim extremists’ violence and repression (and farther from being loyal Americans) than are most adherents of Islam.

    • Ray in VT

      Extremists, especially religious ones, of all stripes should worry everyone.

  • Ray in VT

    I was shocked years ago when the Southern Baptist Convention declared that the divinely ordained role for women was one of submission to one’s husband.  The backlash against the women’s movement of the 1960s is certainly nothing new.

  • Riburr

    Women’s rights are being used to distinguish the conservative viewpoint.  Virginia Governor, Bob McDonnell, just signed a bill mandating ultrasound for women considering abortion. A week prior, he signed a bill removing limits on the number of handguns that can be purchased in a month. He seems to be grooming himself as a conservative southern political entity; the perfect compliment to a Romney ticket.

  • Jamey

    I find it said that women’s rights to be healthy are being used as a weapon against our sexuality. If there was a pill that could save male lives of health complications that are shown to KILL them, this wouldn’t be a debate.  Rush Limbaugh couldn’t even call the woman he was attacking by the right name because she didn’t matter. She was a just a tool of attack, a way to strike out against women who are not afraid to say that they have a right to be healthy, happy and held to their own moral codes.

  • Chris W.

    All these ultra-conservatives, like Rush and Rick Santorum, are driven by the “strict father family model” of society as outlined in James Dobson’s Dare to Discipline. It is a fundamentalist political revival that supports not only institutionalized sexism, but the idea that the nation needs this severe father-figure in government.

  • JJB

    Okay- I am a conservative but Rush was out of line but  who really cares what he says. He’s just an entertainer who ran his mouth too far and he gets attention for it.  However, I am tired of hearing that holding positions against “free-for-all” sex and abortion means you are attacking women.  The decline of morality and traditional marriage in have had very sad results for the children of America that are struggling with poverty and numerous social issues because so many are being raised in homes without fathers.   Personal freedom without personal responsibility is worthless. I am a conservative woman who respects myself, my husband, and my children enough to believe that sex should be within marriage for the good of all of us.   Freedom to “do it like dogs in the street with whomever, whenever” degrades all of us, ESPECIALLY WOMEN.  The sexual revolution didn’t liberate us to be equals with men but rather turned us into sexual objects- just turn on the music station on your radio, tv, or internet to see concrete proof of this.

    • TFRX

      But who really cares what he says.

      Every Republican appointee, candidate, and officeholder who has ever previously said, in the most tepid manner possible, “Rush has gone too far”.

      Rush would clear his throat, and then the apologies would begin.

  • Megan

    I want to know when woman’s sexuality/reproductive issues are going to start addressing ALL women’s issues and not just the prevention or termination of pregnancy.  Throughout this latest contraception issue, I haven’t heard the word condom once.  It seems to me that condom use is the method that should be being pushed the most, for greater safety sake.  As far as the “aspirin between the knees” approach, I think it is worth addressing, not as a restriction, but for women to give their sexual partners a little more thought and not just go for the “thrill” or another persons acceptance.  I

  • Susan from Guilford, Vt

    It amazes me that this conversation continues to focus on birth control as a women’s issue.  I have never heard the conversation steered toward focusing on the behavior of men, the other half of the equation.  Because a woman is the one who is often held responsible for an unwanted pregnancy, men are off the hook when it comes to birth control. 

     

  • Ellen Dibble

    The Santorum snip makes me doubt I heard the whole context.  Moral ecology of the country — if that’s about having sex only in order to procreate, I think that dates back to the days before DNA testing, when people who were intimate were noticed to produce offspring, and the father could be identified by having been intimate, and if a man had sex and did NOT create offspring, that kind of sprung a leak in the system that said if you have sex, you better commit to each other permanently.
        Doesn’t he see a “moral ecology” that is based on intimacy, and the kinds of maturing less-self-centered identity that adolescence usually brings in the context of sexuality?
       I don’t know what someone on the autistic spectrum thinks about this, and maybe there are people who procreate without bonding, in the most moral of marriages, but here I’d have to listen to those 1 in 110 who conduct their relationships in another sphere then mine.  For me, I associate the easiest kind of intimacy as physical.  If you’re trying to do it, say, over the internet, you lose a lot, the sense of interactivity of all the senses, etc., etc., etc.

  • Modavations

    Pres.Obama could return the 1 million Mr .Maher donated.He gets on Rush’s case,but Herr Maher can call the ladies Cun-s.He is not refering to the English sense of the word

  • Jo

    This all started with Stephanopolis’s question to the Pres candidates about contraception, so the Dems started the whole thing and it is a way to keep us away from the poor economy and no jobs.  I do not believe that I should pay for someone else’s birth control unless there is really a medical reason the tax payers should not have to pay.  What happened to personal responsibility??  Also, they can pay for their own abortion, or adopt the child.  ALso, why are people for choice fine with abortion , but do not want the death penalty.  Aren’t they the same?

    • Tommyp

      Not asking you to pay — asking it to be covered by insurance.  And that’s a win for the insurance company, who will be spared the high costs of pregnancy, delivery, and pediatric care.
      Or are you suggesting that none of that be covered as well?

    • TFRX

      The GOP wanted to wake up the KutlurWarriors. They just didn’t believe they’d be on the wrong side of so many voters, so spectacularly.

  • William

    No Democratic can win election without pandering to their very extreeme radical left wing base. Obama stopped the pipeline project because his radical leftwing green party told him to stop it.

    • Anonymous

      All those radical leftwing green party farmer Republicans in Nebraska.

    • Anonymous

      And the GOP can’t win without the Latino and Women voters.

    • Brett

      Frankly, I doubt that you could recognize an “extreme radical left wing” to save your soul; it’s just a good thing God doesn’t set such standards.

  • Kristin Meche

    It IS a moral issue. There is a deep vein of paternalist sentiment in this culture. Attacks on women’s health and rights make perfect sense when viewed from the moral viewpoint that a woman does not own her body. She does not have the right to her own sexual access. Please discuss.

    Last winter, I watched Egyptians decide to take ownership of their own country. Before this winter is over, I’d love to see American women take ownership of their own bodies and their own lives.

  • Veltag

    While I do not in any way condone Limbaugh’s offensive comments, I do not recall an equal outcry from NPR and other liberal news media outlets when Sarah Palin was called everything in the book – unjustly, I might emphasize!  There is a serious lack of your fairness in your programming.

    • McD

      Dont thing she was called a slut and a whore….

    • Anonymous

      She was in the political arena and running for VP.
      Politics is a dirty game, we might not like it and it can get dirty with all the mud slinging, but Fluke was a citizen testifying before a Congressional hearing. There is a difference here. 

      • Brett

        Veltag’s still stuck on that tit for tat thing

  • Modavations

    Cultural Progressivism????Is that any relation to man enhanced climate change.Speak English

    • Brett

      Actually, there might be some relation (although “Cultural Progressivism” is definitely a bullshitty sounding term, I’ll give you that). Example 1: The Dustbowl days (drought in conjunction with humans ravaging the land). Example 2: the Anasazi people disappearing alarmingly fast (they cut down all of their trees for fuel, used up all of their natural resources, in  conjunction with natural climate fluctuations). There are many other examples of anthropogenic contributions to climate change. Of course, “cultural progressivism” (whatever that is) might just be one way to get people to be reasonable about that particular nature vs. nurture argument (real men don’t debate whether one or the other may cause people to behave the way they do; both Freud and Skinner were nut cases (“j” for Triple T). In that realm, as well as in the philosophical realm, there is pretty much consensus that it is BOTH. An analogy can be made with climate change and anthropogenic causes…it’s BOTH

      • Modavations

        Come on Bro.B.,it’s not even in my Leftist Dictionary of GobbleGook.I’m off to H.Kong in Sept.then over to party with my pal in Cairns.Ill get skinny on the living legend,Mr.O

  • BHA in Vermont

    What *I* say to Santorum is:
    “Sir, your far right religious beliefs are NOT mainstream USA.”

  • Jeff from Belmont, Mass

    Santorum is great because he is so honest about what he wants for America. Unlike Romney, who goes wherever the political wind takes him, he says what he believes. I don’t agree with him but hopefully he will help to wake up the public to what the far right truly wants.

    • Modavations

      Sen.Obama to Bush….How dare you let gas get to $4.00 per gallon.Sen.Obama about lifting the debt ceiling.This is outrageous,down right treason.Sen Obama….I’ll take public financing…Pres.Obama,donate to my super pac

  • Kristin Meche

    @pag Rush is NOT the issue. Sexual politics are the issue. And this issue makes a difference in womens’ lives. We should not sit down and be quiet like good little girls.

  • Infoman

    Where are the ultra conservatives attacking the insurance companies for paying for Viagra?  That medication is only for the purpose of sex.

  • Molly from MO

    I know Limbaugh is a misogynistic blow hard.  It’s disturbing but not a surprise.  Two things disturb me more:
    1)  The lack of a strong response from Republican presidential candidates.  John McCain’s response was more of what I hoped for.
    2)  I am a citizen of Missouri and Rush Limbaugh is set to be inducted into the Hall of Famous Missourians in the Missouri state capitol.  As a woman and mother of a daughter I am furious that he be honored by my state in this way.  I wish there was more national media coverage on this to shame our state speaker of the house into reversing this outrage.

  • Eric M. Jones

    Come over to the DARK SIDE. We welcome you. 

    BTW: I wonder what would happen if we landed 747s in countries that treat women harshly and invite all the women on board. 

  • Dorian

    Let’s be clear here — we are talking about mostly white male politicians attempting to control of women’s bodies and women’s lives under the guise of religious issues. This is a backlash against women, pure and simple. Ms. Cohen’s point is well taken. 

    – Dorian (who is female)
    South Kingstown, RI

  • Jwfurey

    Perhaps the religious right should consider how close to Shariah law they reside in their anti-women stance

  • Kelly Rush

    We are in the midst of a generational shift away from the evangelical/fundamentalist paradigm (wasn’t it just the other day we were discussing Christianity in a post-religious world?).

    Polls and studies have shown that younger generations have grown more and more tolerance of issues revolving around gender roles and sexuality (remember that almost all issues revolving around sexuality and sexual identity come back to gender discrimination.  This is what the Right sees as the “moral decline” of America.  As the socially conservative right sees the writing on the wall, as they feel their own extinction, it/they fight harder and harder to preserve an outdated and intolerant way of life and belief system.  As they fight harder and harder, they try to force more and more of their beliefs on others; as we push back, they begin to feel “persecuted.” 

  • Quadraticus

    99% (of people use contraception)? Really? I’m all in favor of contraception being available to everyone, but obviously incorrect “facts” like this don’t persuade everyone, and in fact provide ammo for the other side.

    • Julia

      Contraception includes:
      Condoms
      The Rythem method
      The Pill
      Diaphrams

      Get educated!!

      • Julia

        Foams
        Gels

        Need I go on????

  • Ellen Dibble

    Interesting that caller Liz brings in the Muslim concept of female modesty.  I have been thinking how much more simple would be life if women could wear Muslim garb — more of less the Catholic nun’s habit – and not have to go to the beauty parlor and the spa every week, and where there was not a cultural push for adolescents to get with the team and partake of alcohol, lift them out of their nascent sense of responsibility and feel free.  Oh, that sounds very good.  Where are the wall-to-wall ads of women standing by sleek automobiles dressed in habits?
         I do think young people feel pressured to look ridiculous.  How do we tell them, you look cheap!  You look like you have some doubts about your own hormonal maturity!  Good grief!   Anybody in their right mind can see you are desirable — all TOO desirable.   I think you should play it down or you’ll be handing yourself off to the highest bidder.  What a message!

  • Isernia

    What an appropriate program to have on International Women’s Day!! I, as a woman, have never felt more SISTERHOOD than at an all female dinner-dance served by men waiters and entertained by an all male orchestra in the most TRADITIONAL male society – Messina Sicily …l0 years ago in the very country  of Berlusconi’s show girls! Ironical isn’t it?..as we were the leading nation in the feminist movement and what has it brought us today?? ….Rush and Rick…UGH!

  • Julia

    Republican callers seem DEAF to the use of birth control pills for MEDICAL ISSUES.

    • Anonymous

      Well this is what happens when one is indoctrinated and not educated on the issues.

  • BHA in Vermont

    Heather:
    Not all women using contraceptives are doing it so they can have sex with little fear of getting pregnant.

    • Kate

      Exactly.  Many many women are prescribed birth control to manage other health issues such as Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome and many others.

  • John in Vermont

    I think it is sooo unfair that Rush continues on after this slur while Don Imus was hounded off the air for an ill worded compliment. Imus has been very critical of Limbaugh and I have to think it is because of his experience.

  • Justin

    Why is there insurance coverage for Viagra,Cialis. Aren’t these drugs solely for sex (for men).

  • TFRX

    Caller Heather has been fooled into saying “If (Fluke) wants to have sex, pay for your own birth control”.

    The caller needs to learn how insurance works. And for the 25 or so states that have had this law on the books for years. And how the right wing has tried to make this about womens’ BC, but E.D. drugs are not “on the table”, let alone “the biggest threat EVAH”.

  • Anonymous

    Birth control pill are only available by prescription.  Make them over the counter and the whole issue goes away.

    • Anonymous

      This issue isn’t about access, it’s about payment.  Make it over the counter and the left will still be demanding someone else pay for it.

  • Amy

    So if insurance isn’t going to be covering for birth control any more…then it shouldn’t be covering VIAGRA or CIALIS  either!
    It’s a two way street and no double standard is allowed.

  • Nancy

    Rick Santaliban…

      God’s pointy-headed, self-appointed judge here on Earth.

    Aren’t the moral choices of believers, within legality, strictly between a person and their God?

    Let Sanitorium worry about his own perverse morality and stay OUT of other people’s business.

    • Brett

      We are trying to get people on this forum to tone down their inflammatory rhetoric…I don’t mean to stifle your expression, but it is a bit of problem, here. We can’t define morality for others, and that works both ways. And the, “so-and-so does it excuse” is a bit tired.

  • Ellen Dibble

    If there is a mandate for insurance to cover Viagra, then I suppose women should have choices in protection.  There was a time when people didn’t rely on doctors and insurance to do this for them.  By depending on official birth control, we hand power over to the doctors (and to legislation).  We used to use sandwich bags, various combinations thereof.  But doctors would rather know you’re being sexually active and be involved.

  • Jim

    I hope one day people will stop calling evangelical Christians “conservative” , they are fundamentalists just like Muslim’s. I don’t see a lot difference between the fringe’s of either one. Both are bad news for us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jasmarsden James Marsden

    Leave Mitt Romney out of this is all I would ask the Left. Do what you need to with Rick Santorum. Whether or not you can see it, the two men are worlds away on this issue. 

  • jim

    this guy like many neo-cons and republicans is nothing but hypocrisy.

  • wpo

     This was not law prior to 1998- what do you think of that?

    Women’s Health and Cancer Rights Act
    Federal law requires most group insurance plans that cover mastectomies to also cover breast reconstruction.

    The Women’s Health and Cancer Rights Act (WHCRA) helps protect many
    women with breast cancer who choose to have their breast rebuilt
    (reconstructed) after a mastectomy. It was signed into law on October
    21, 1998. The United States Departments of Labor and Health and Human
    Services oversee this law.

    The WHCRA:

    Applies to group health plans for plan years starting on or after October 1, 1998 Applies to group health plans, health insurance companies, and
    HMOs, as long as the plan covers medical and surgical costs for
    mastectomy
    Under the WHCRA, mastectomy benefits must cover:

    Reconstruction of the breast that was removed by mastectomy Surgery and reconstruction of the other breast to make the breasts look symmetrical or balanced after mastectomy Any external breast prostheses (breast forms that fit into your bra) that are needed before or during the reconstruction Any physical complications at all stages of mastectomy, including lymphedema
    Mastectomy benefits may have a yearly deductible and may require that you pay co-insurance.
    Co-insurance is when health costs are insured for less than the full
    amount and the patient must pay the difference. For instance, the
    company may cover 80% of your expenses after you pay the deductible,
    leaving you to pay the other 20%. This 20% is also called a co-payment or co-pay.
    But any required deductible and co-insurance must be like those the
    plan uses for other conditions it covers. So, if a plan pays 80% for
    hospital and surgery fees for an appendectomy, but only 70% of hospital
    and surgery fees for breast reconstruction, that would violate the
    WHCRA.

  • Clgrossman2012

    How many conservative men would want insurance to not pay for their Viagra ??? !!  The people who are trying to turn this country into a Christian version of the Taliban horrify me.

  • Joyce

    No Conservatives are proposing that health insurance companies should stop paying for Viagra!

  • MarkVII88

    The logic of some of the callers today suggests we shouldn’t allow insurance to cover women’s contraception because it’s a personal choice to have sex.  By that same logic then, we shouldn’t allow insurance to cover cancer drugs or medical treatments related to smoking as that too is a personal choice…or diabetes drugs for those who are fat and chose not to lose weight.

    • Anonymous

       It’s not about *allowing* insurance to cover women’s contraception, it’s about *requiring* it, and it’s dishonest how the left keeps trying to spin it as a matter of control.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    So much of it (and the current caller said it) is this idea that it’s wrong for women to have sex without having to somehow pay some price (usually pregnancy) for the audacity of being sexual.

  • Kay

    If it’s a matter of personal choice, in addition to birth control, insurance companies should be cutting medicines that treat smokers and the obese, just to name the two most obvious …

  • Anonymous

    If contraception is truly the issue, why do we not hear these right wing fundamentalists (men) screaming about Viagra and vasectomies?

    If you have to take Viagra, you’re clearly defying God’s personal mandate that you not have sex anymore.

    Are vasectomies not a greater abomination in their eyes than the Pill or an IUD?

    This is about keeping women “in their place” and nothing else.

    • Roger in Stamford CT

       Similarly you hear many on the right (and some on the left) decry the availability of abortion.  However you never hear them complain when a woman undergoes in vitro fertilization, has a number of fertilized eggs implanted, and when more than one is viable have the remainder removed later.  Why isn’t this also considered abortion and why don’t they fight against in vitro fertilization?

  • Arnold Kent

    The current caller mentions “buzz words” and she is correct. Limbaugh called the young lady a “co-ed” which is a term not used for women who attend university, but which you will find in the letters sections of porn magazines.

  • Yar

    Is the price for insurance purchased birth control less than the same product purchased individually?  Insurance companies use their market power to reduce the price they pay.  They sometimes require prices to be higher for the individual market as part of the contract.  Why is birth control 1000 dollar per year?  What does it cost to manufacture the pill?

  • Syd

    The complaint about birth control is about cost. Wouldn’t insurance companies far prefer to provide contraception than to pay for the costs associated with pregnancies.

  • Krjb

    Wisconsin state senator Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend) said “unwanted or
    mistimed” pregnancies are the “choice of the women” who should learn
    “that this is a mistake.”  MEN are involved too.
    This (Mr. Grothman and
    others) is truly reprehensible. There are some guys out there who are
    just jerks. Women are routinely not able to control the behavior of
    such guys. Rape is usually obvious, but manipulative control of women
    including drug/alcohol induced
    “participation” is not rare. Plus, there are plenty of women whose
    husbands leave them or the wives leave to escape abuse. I’d sure be pissed if I was a women listening to this BS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Masaccio-Masolino/100003115704035 Masaccio Masolino

    Caller Heather supports Rush Limbaugh’s right to call a woman a slut and a prostitute and demand sex tapes because she spoke up for including contraception in a drug plan. 

    I don’t understand that.

  • Anonymous

    Responses to the last TWO callers (before 2nd break): why not tell them that some 40% of prescriptions are at least partly for OTHe/R functions than contraception?

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps those on the religious right should consider how close to Shariah law they reside.

  • Bob

    This is absurd, what about the Viagra payments for men, including single men, that are uncontested by the same people advocating denying birth control for women.  Like birth control is purely a women’s issue!!

  • Suzan

    How come no one talks about insurance companies paying for Viagra? Do elderly men need to procreate?

  • Lynn

    Viagra is covered by insurance — why is no one calling for these men to “take personal responsibly” for their sex lives as one caller suggested?  These fundamentalists fear women as strong, sexual beings — keeping ‘em barefoot and pregnant is a way of controlling them.

  • Elizabeth in RI

    Message to Heather – are you aware that Viagra and all the erectile dysfunction meds were put under prescription drug plans (by men I assumme) the minute they became available. The ONLY use for those drugs is for men to have sex. Birth control was not (and in many cases still isn’t) covered by insurance. Birth control has many valid medical uses and reduces overall heath costs. This is an issue of fairness and allowing women and their doctors make their own decisions. Also I found the phrase “Personal responsibility” really interesting – that is EXACTLY what the personal mandate for purchasing health insurance is all about!

    • Anonymous

      Um, no.  Many times it was courts that demanded Viagra be covered:

      http://www.wisn.com/r/24542667/detail.html

    • Anonymous

      And no, I don’t think the government should require health insurance plans to cover Viagra.

      Required coverage for quality of life issue are one of the reasons health care costs keep going up.

      • TFRX

        Can you not realize that it’s not in the narrative?

        Bang the drum loudly on some right-wing sites. Otherwise you’ll stand accused of wanting to have it both ways, and protesting too much that the narrative is “women BC covered bad, men ED drugs covered–not part of the conversation”.

  • D.in NY

    The recent caller can’t seem to understand that the birth control pill is prescribed for many, many things other than avoid pregnancy.  It’s such an easy thing to understand but apparently the conservatives have done an excellent job of brainwashing people into believing this pill only has one purpose.

    I dated a girl that had been on birth control since she was 15 despite the fact that she was a virgin until she was 19.  She wasn’t running around having sex with every guy she could.  Her doctor prescribed it to her because 2-3 days a month she couldn’t get out of bed because of pain due to her menstrual cycle.  The pill fixed that.  She no longer had to miss school nearly every month.

    I wish people would just use their brains and stop listening to the talking heads.

  • L121

    To the caller who doesn’t want to “pay” for birth control because there isn’t a true medical need… What about the people I “pay” their diabetes & cholesterol medications due to their lifestyle choices of inactivity & over-eating?

  • Katrina

    I can’t help but wonder whether funding for birth control would be an issue if we had a popular version of the birth control for men.  Right now, options for birth control in our culture are largely placed on womens’ bodies and therefore seen as their responsibility, their “problem”, when in fact this is frequently a choice made by couples and families.  

  • Benhammer286

    Nancy, if it is critical to womens’s health, it should not be called birth control, and if only 20% of the people in this country are anti-contraception zealots, what are you woried about? Most of us simply want to be left alone. 

    You say that this whole thing is about religion trying to force
    it ‘s values on the rest of us, but to be honest it is about you forcing your views on religion by making them underwrite that which their doctrine deems an abhorration.

  • Oma Janet

    I am continually amazed that Conservatives blast government involvement in business, healthcare, education, immigration, etc – yea EVERY aspect of life EXCEPT the personal choices regarding sexual expression. As a follower of Jesus, I do feel that the Sexual Revolution had both good and bad results. Those results depended on the choices that people made with their new “freedoms”. Yes – in some ways women were now allowed to be as sexually irresponsible in relationships as men have always been if they did not have a different standard, formed by parental and faith-community involvement. For others, family planning was just that – a way to make what they thought were wise, committed decisions on a path for their lives. AGain, these choices should be a “God” thing rather than a “Caesar” thing.

  • Anonymous

    Who on earth is Nancy Cohen to automatically declare that a percentage of or core of the Republican Party membership is automatically sexist, definitely anti-woman?! While I admit that I am quickly moving toward registering as a Libertarian, I have maintained my Republican Party membership since 1976. It IS true that the Republicans have definitely run away from what used to be called “Big Tent” (far more inclusive) Republicans. However, on fiscal, foreign policy & defense/law issues, I largely retain Republican precepts.

    I find it ALMOST as disgusting as I do Limbaugh’s vile remarks that a national news program would waste air time by giving one individual an opportunity to spew forth her BELIEFS with no moderating comment from the show’s host. Her book is nearly as much a collection simply of beliefs as are the horrendous and nonsensical remarks & beliefs of the ultra-religious right.

    There has always been a minority in the nation that has trouble with reality & with acting as moderns rather than as Neanderthals. That said, while I would certainly guard carefully against that minority gaining serious power, I do not think that we need waste time on such a minority. Needless to say, this book will not be on my shelves or Kindle any time soon!

    • LizTN

      You mean the fiscally conservative wars the repubs involved us in?

      • Anonymous

        Not bloody likely! And if we want to link specific parties to specific wars, we might just as easily bring up the Vietnam War and the Democrat Party. The latter, if it didn’t entirely begin that war, certainly took the Vietnam War to its deadliest heights. No, I meant fiscally conservative as what MOST people know it means – “financially responsible.”

  • Kweskin

    Policy and Process can be debated forever.  I am interested in results–the paradigm of an advocate.  What is the Religious Rights Paradigm-1950 America?  The Puritan Colonies?  The Middle Ages and the Inquisition (Santorum)? We need to “out” the social commentary with a statement of where in history is their social/sexual model?  All consequences will be manifest and the results of a worldview palpable.  My model:  Today’s California, Today’s France, Sweden.  Historically?  Maybe Polynesia. 

    Where is your successful paradigm anywhere in history?  That is the question!

  • Phil in Detroit

    The not wanting to pay for sex argument does not hold water. What if we were to say I don’t want to pay for someones heart attack treatment because the heart attack was due to 40 years of smoking. Or, we should not pay for type two diabetes treatment because they patient ate junk food for 20 years. Where does it end? 

  • Susanna in South Deerfield MA

    What about people that can’t afford birth control?  Asking everyone to pay for their own birth control, (or abstain) is absurd.  

    I will expatriate if Santorum is elected.

  • David Swan

    The question I would ask of people who support Rush Limbaugh’s point of view is this: “Please explain your rational WITHOUT basing it on _your personal_ religious beliefs?” 

    • Benhammer286

      I do not support his words, but I certainly support his point of view.  We do not want the government running the healthcare system and we want it killed.  The mandate is unconstitutional because of the Commerce clause.  Inseparability may turn out to be the 2nd tool.  The religious freedom exemption afforded in the Constitution is clearly a third. 

      But please keep in mind; if you people had minded your own business as opposed to trying to impose your will on the rest of us by passing a bill written by the unellected that your reperesentatives had not even read, none of this would be happening.

      (For the vast majority of us, religion has nothing to do with it.)

      • TFRX

        In that case, let’s you and them fight. Your beef is not with us lefties.

        Let’s see the “religion has nothing to do with it” flank of conservatives get on TV and make hay about this.

        Let’s see how far that gets you when you’re not hiding under the cover of our “librul media” which always has the USCCB on its Rolodex but has to be told by callers and liberals that (for example) 98% of Catholics use birth control.

  • Kristin Meche

    The guest makes a good point that the legislative issue is health insurance: pooling risk and the cost for medications. Teen pregnancy and women’s human rights are moral issues. They are being used to muddy the political water by those whose antiquarian moral viewpoint is contrary to the fundamental American moral value: the individual -  even the female individual – owns the right to to her own body, actions, and moral independence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Masaccio-Masolino/100003115704035 Masaccio Masolino

     Erectile dysfunction is the way the Almighty imposes birth control on men. Why aren’t those drugs a violation of the will of the Almighty, to use the words of Humanae Vitae?

  • Steven_marc_casagrande

    Not all ultra conservatives agree with Rush!  I’m a very conservative libertarian (e.g. Ron Paul bent) that believes Rush’s comments are hideous!

  • Tpaden

    The last time I checked, health insurance covers all kinds of medications that are taken as a matter of personal choice. Viagra, anyone? There are all kinds of medications that are taken as a matter of personal choice (for personal benefit) instead of changing lifestyle. Don’t bother watching what you eat and getting more exercise. Take a cholesterol-lowering drug and be happy and healthy! It’s the American way. But for some reason, we now think that women’s health is different. Unbelievable.

  • Bethany Anderson

    I find it illogical to argue that advocating for “sexual freedom” is somehow more progressive than a “backward” lifestyle which is actually better for women physically and emotionally.  Ask any doctor if it’s better for a woman’s health to have multiple sexual partners or just one, or to have an abortion or not.  Yes, every woman has the right to make their own decisions about their lives, but don’t act as if all people who believe in conservative values are somehow against women when the exact opposite is true.

  • Mary

    I grew up during this revolution. The one thing that was true then and is true today is that men do not ever challenge male rights to have multiple sexual partners or their right to birth control through vasectomy. The bottom line to me is that many of the men involved in the current wave are afraid of losing dominance and control – over women, over non-white people, over other religions than their own, etc. Fear is the flip side of anger and all this anger comes from that deeply-rooted fear.

    • Mockymur

      I agree. The American culture has been stuck in neutral -with an entrenched, white male dominated gov. & economy- while ALL other “first-world” nations have moved on into the acceptance that women ARE PEOPLE.

      When wil Rebublicans & right-wingers have that “like duh” moment, too? Not holding my breath….

  • Anonymous

    The Christian Science Monitor, 3/12/10, writes:

    “Difficulties in the “red” world, meanwhile, have grown worse. Traditionalists continue to advocate abstinence until marriage and bans on abortion. They’ve said an emphatic “no” to the practices that have made the new “blue” system workable.

    “Yet, paradoxically, as sociologist Brad Wilcox reports, evangelical Protestant teens have sex at slightly earlier ages on average than their nonevangelical peers (respectively, 16.38 years old versus 16.52 years old), evangelical Protestant couples are also slightly more likely to divorce than nonevangelical couples, and evangelical mothers are actually more likely to work full time outside the home than their nonevangelical peers. ”

    Looks like walking the walk is a whole lot harder than talking the talk.

    MAd

    • Modavations

      Foretuneatly I’ve never run into one of these abstainers.I think one refers to this as myth

  • Laurie mokriski

    This is a scan to control women.  My insurance pays for Viagra. Are you telling me that all of those old men out there are fathering children?  No, they are having intercourse for pleasure. The Republicans wouldn’t dare take Viagra off the list of needed meds.

  • guest

    Does the HHS ruling suggest that women not pay any co-pay for the birth control pill? 

  • BHA in Vermont

    Ms. Cary:
    Stupid comments by people like Limbaugh are not the reason Senator Snowe is retiring. It is the stupid “We’ll do nothing the other side wants” behavior in the House and Senate. She’s finally had enough.

    • Oma Janet

      Limbaugh is a megaphone for those folks> God bless Olympia Snow. Praying for a good replacement.

      • Modavations

        God Bless Olympia,she just endorsed SenBrown,as opposed to the spiritual leader,the wellspring,the fountainhead of OWS

    • Benhammer286

      What side of your right to exist would you be willing to compromise on? The other side controlled all 3 houses for two years and nothing has worked (other than the Bush “policies” regarding the war, Gittmo, rendition and the Bin Laden pursuit) as everything has been antithetical to making our economy grow.

  • Rwalters

    I feel the root of the conversation is opposing views of contraception, however the outrage is coming from one point of view degrading the other.  Whatever side of the issue you fall on is neither here nor there, but calling those of opposing views derogatory names is unacceptable!

  • Dale

    I think this issue has roots in the mainstreaming of pornography that the internet has brought. It’s pushed conservatives further to the right in an effort to regain control over morality in our culture.

    • TFRX

      Is that in the belief that conservatives don’t consume porn, or that they don’t want anyone to know they do?

  • Chris

    I think the point needs to be made that we’ve been paying for lots of drugs like Viagra- which is entirely (at least in marketing) a sexual drug. But because it’s aimed at men, no one is targeting it, or suggesting we should stop paying for it.

    • Gregg

      Viagra is more analogous to fertility drugs not contraception.

      • Modavations

        I’m with the ladies on this one GenG. commander of the liberated middle states

        • Gregg

          I hear the ladies. I just think it’s a better analogy.

  • Tncanoeguy

    Just joining the conversation.  I can appreciate the Catholic argument about contraception cheapening sex.  However, I don’t think that has happened for most people.  Some people are going to be promiscuous whether or not there are contraceptives.  The majority of people will have relatively few partners and will practice serial monogamy if not life-long monogamy.  Contraceptives are of course a good way to avoid having an overly large family.  Is the Catholic Church concerned about falling membership?   

    • TFRX

      There are plenty of Catholic orgs who support the Obama admin’s policies. We just won’t know about them in the current narrative.

      It’s like the USCCB is the only spokesmen (and I mean “men”) which our “librul media” will listen to for the entirety of Catholicism.

  • Gail

    Tom, the problem might be reduced by changing the labeling.
    Since these prescription drugs have uses for many medical problems, perhaps referring
    to this set of drugs something like “Mensa pain reliever” or “Mensa regulation”
    rather than the narrower label of “birth control” would refocus the argument
    and deter Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum and the sex police from abusing women’s
    rights to adequate medical attention.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jasmarsden James Marsden

    Rush Limbaugh has been trashing Romney for the last 6 months so he has already lost the entire Romney wing of the GOP. Some of us still listen from time to time to monitor and file complaints about his approach but his ratings have been sagging as a result of turning off many a Romney supporter. So you might want to be careful when painting the entire GOP with a broad brush. 

  • Mary Ann Hanson

    Birth control is not just a drug of choice but a drug of necessity for many women. My two daughters were put on the pill to relieve debilitating pain associated with ovulation. It was a Godsend.

  • Robin

    This is an insurance issue, not a tax issue. The tax payer will NOT be paying for contraceptives for women. Presently, insurance pays for men to have access to Viagra: Rush Limbaugh is a prime example. If insurance pays for men to have access to a drug that enhances male health through sexual experience, then why the controversy? Women’s health should receive equal benefits: period. How contraceptives are used is between a woman and her doctor.

    • Benhammer286

      No Robin, this is a tax issue; the debate is not about contraception, rather, should it be covered under Obamacare.  If people had the ability to opt out, it would not be an issue.

      But they dont, so it is.

  • http://twitter.com/metasilk Kir Talmage

    TA just said something about “going back” — I think the desire to “go back” is at best blind, and more usually fairly dumb.

    I do think it’s possible to go forward to a more miserable condition for women, children, and human health (Heinlein’s Nehemiah Scudder and Atwood’s Handmaid aren’t that far away). Let’s not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Masaccio-Masolino/100003115704035 Masaccio Masolino

    Insurance is a form of self-reliance. I buy insurance to protect my family, because I am self-reliant.

    • Modavations

      I’m paying 102000 per annum to Blue Cross for my self reliance…..$7000.00 before Romney Care and 10200.00 three years later…Ouch

  • Carole

    I’m surprised that Viagra is approved by Insurance Companies and therefore paid by everyone without any complaint from those who are concerned about contraceptives.  Are men allowed to enjoy sex without fear and women on the other hand should be denied sex without fear?

  • Ellen Dibble

    Maybe we need a definition of slut.  Is it female who uses contraception, of any kind, ever?  Is it female who trades her body for the next dose of cocaine, night after night, helpless to her addiction, out of reach of current rehabs?  Is it female in settled relationship who husband notes all too clearly is attracted to all sorts of other men, and desirous of all sorts of things he cannot provide her?  “Oh, I can’t satisfy my mate, in bed or in life; but I own her; she is my spouse; this ought not to be the case; this ought to be illegal.  She has a mind of her own, that shifts and changes, and I can’t keep up no matter what.  Elect Santorum.”
        And the woman thinks,  yeah, right, he too has a mind of his own, and thinks lustful thoughts now and then.

  • Bber

    Romney has a problem with Limbaugh’s choice of words. What what he substitute for “slut”? And what about “prostitute”?

    • BHA in Vermont

       Hmmm, let’s see:
      floozy, harlot, hussy, tart, tramp, vamp, whoreStreet walker, hooker, lady of the evening, call girl

      Yeah, any of those would have been a WHOLE lot better ;) Go Mitt, put your foot deeper down your throat.

      • Modavations

        How does Bill Maher refer to women.I think he calls them cun-ts

  • Judy in Iowa

    The elephant in the room is that the Catholic Church calls all sexual behavior, other than between a husband and wife for the purpose of procreation, INTRINSICALLY EVIL.  Many fundamentalist Protestant faiths also adhere to this belief.  Women need to question whether these doctrines, promulgated by powerful men, reflect their own values and interests.

    • BHA in Vermont

       Must be all the pedophile priests were out fondling little boys and girls the day that lesson was taught.

      • Modavations

        Careful.That;’s the bugle call for Terrytt

  • Anonymous

    How can she claim that Republicans are fiscally responsible?  Two unpaid for wars and a tax cut are just the most obvious examples that is false.

    • Modavations

      60 Billion per year for the wars and 457 billion for interest payment on the debt this year alone.Let all Bush Taxes lapse and use every penny to reduce the debt

      • Anonymous

        Which Republican candidate is proposing that?

        • Modavations

          Skip to the point where you do a dodge or give an endless excuse as to why this would be terrible.Here I’ll do it for…..But Moda that’s cruel,what about the poor,what about the tree.

    • Benhammer286

      Two wars that President Obama expanded, a third that he began and a debt that he increased by 44% since thus far in his term?  That’s how we can claim it.

  • Guy Tabar

    Will someone please correct the record. Taxpayer money is not being used for contraception. The issue is about individuals’ health insurance excluding contraception on women’s policies.  I’ll add that Rush’s comments were no slip of the tongue as conservatives suggest. Fluke was attacked 53 times on Limbaugh’s show and it is the content not the “choice of words” that is so offensive.

    • Benhammer286

      If they are mandated in a healthcare law that we are bound to that includes contraception, taxpayer money will be used.

  • Maria Mcintyre

    To Heather–the conservative woman who called in supporting Rush’s idea–hence supporting him saying that Ms. Fluke should offer her body for internet usage for men… He is a perv now, along with being Mr. Rushed Limpballs.

    Heather, I take birth control for an enlarged uterus.  But for you to ask me why and to know why I would take a PRESCRIBED medication is against the law.  It is NOT your business. It is not any MAN’s business-especially one who makes laws–jeez. 

    If this was a topic of what medications men take for PREVENTATIVE purposes, would  this be an international topic?

    And agreed, the republicans running for president DID NOT say he was out of line and how disgusting he is, and this is just as reprehensible.   Mean republicans.  Call me a name-calling liberal who will call a spade a spade.  Boycott Rush!     

    • BHA in Vermont

      “Boycott Rush! ”

      I’d have to start listening to him first and that would be a very masochistic thing to do. It is painful enough to hear his voice and asinine comments (on the current issue and others in the past) on NPR.

      • Modavations

        Every boycott you propose will result in a bigger audience.Carbonites stock price is already crashing.I will not buy a product from any of Rush’s advertisers that bow to P.C..Should Pres.Obama give back Mr.Maher 1 million?Why is the left always for stifling free speech?

        • Anonymous

          The right (Clear Channel and Family Research Council) was behind Howard Stern being forced off the air.

          • Modavations

            Bain owns part of Rush.Bain gives two to one Obama as opposed tpo Romney

    • Anonymous

      I can’t believe this message is not getting to Tom to make part of the conversation before its over.

  • Jon Larson

    Please ask the Republican guest whether health care insurance plans should cover prescriptions for Viagra.

  • Rmorocco

    The Republicans don’t get it. If birth control is covered in health plans, “government” doesn’t pay for it. THe women covered by the health plan, and their employer pay for it. And the bonus is that the total cost of health insurance is less when birth control is a covered benefit. We pay for our prescription medicines by buying health insurance. Birth control should be a covered benefit. No one is required to use it, but it should be covered for those who choose it.

    • Anonymous

      And that is what Ms. Fluke was “testifying” to the Democrats about on a problem her friend had which caused her to lose an ovary without the “contraceptives” which were not covered.

    • Willaim

      The cost of insurance is not paid by the insurance companies since they just charge everyone more to cover a new mandate.

      • TFRX

        Do you really know how health insurance pools work?

  • Sam

    Happy Woman’s Day to all the women reading this!

    Today is the International Women’s Day, celebrated pretty much everywhere except in US.

    It started here in America, but it no longer recognized or celebrated.

    We should reclaim our day and celebrate in full passion and swing!

    I am a woman, hear me roar! :)

  • http://twitter.com/metasilk Kir Talmage

    What I wish Romney (or any Rep candidate) had said in response to Rush: “Rush has been known to be abrasive, verbally cruel, and factually wrong. This is likely one of those cases.”  Disagreeing diplomatically. (Actually, I’d really love for any of them to have said “Rush has his head up his ass again” but I suspect they haven’t got the cojones for that level of honesty.)

    • Anonymous

      At the least! Thank you for such a fine statement.

      But Romney is acting a part that was not his character and he has to get help from his screenwriters before arriving at a statement like that. Now that he missed his opportunity he is probably hoping not to have to address it while it “blows over.”

      The one thing that Romney has not changed is his belief in lower taxes on the rich, which do not “trickle down” to the rest of us. The ONLY reason he might not know that the “trickle down” is false is because he doesn’t ask his economist advisors for the published papers that prove it. See the work of Emmanuel Saez, most recently the paper (PDF):

      http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~saez/saez-UStopincomes-2010.pdf

      But then get his previous work also.

      And then look at Table 3 (multiple unpaginated pages after page 6) for an eye-poper on how the income of the 0.1% has grown [tables only go to 2005, unfortunately] but I don’t know of anything that would have changed the drift from up, up, up.

      http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/98xx/doc9884/12-23-effectivetaxrates_letter.pdf

      A short hand graphical view of this is here:

      http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/taxes-and-the-wealthy/

      Note that Gregg Mankiw just revoked a previous position to defend the “Carried Interest” position that has increased Romney’s wealth:

      http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-stump/101381/team-romney-rallies-around-carried-interest

      And the other Republicans are worse.

      Bottom line: if you like the fall of the middle class and the rise of the oligarchs, VOTE Republican. Depending on your state, voting Democratic Party may not be a great improvement, but if other places do their part, these “Blue Dogs” will join and enact legislation that will ACTUALLY help the 99%.

      • Modavations

        If you like Goose Stepping vote Democrat

  • DaveGutekunst

    I would like for Ms Cohen to address this canard about religious liberty and the HHS ruling. I’m a scientist, not a lawyer, but to me it seems the important question is whether the HHS ruling is consistent and neutral, or if it targets Catholics.

    Would the ruling have been made if the Catholic Church didn’t even exist? Clearly, the answer is yes — the ruling is about ensuring access to an important class of drugs and procedures that the vast consensus of physicians and scientists consider fundamental to women’s health.

    • Anonymous

      In a ruling on a case involving a different religion, Justice Antonin Scalia said that a law for the general benefit with incidental, not targeted, effect on a religious group was not unconstitutional. Sorry that it is a paraphrase, but I am sure it is accurate as to result.

  • Frenchyt

    I am tired of hemorrhaging tax money to pay for “special education” for the children of fundamentalists who don’t want to pay for birth control but who insist on birthing children with severe damage who need lifetime care on the taxpayers’ dime.  Do you really think that Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum, e.g., are not taking advantage of federal laws and federally financed research dollars to pay for lifetime care for their damaged kids?  What monstrous hypocrites.  I am also paying premiums to pay for other people’s obesity caused diabetes, cigarette caused lung cancer and other “voluntary” illness.   Paying for birth control for women of childbearing age saves society billions of dollars.  The anti-women movement is so unbearably stupid I can’t believe heartland America listens to it.

    • Anonymous

      They take these positions because that is the environment/culture they grew up in. It takes some curiosity to really look into other positions beyond looking for easy ways to refute them. That is also why their leaders (religious and Republican) always tell them they are being victimized, which demonizes the other side.

      George Lakos has a good point when he describes Republicans as paternalistic/authoritarian hierarchically oriented while Democrats are maternalistic communally oriented. Polls are showing Democrats as more willing to “reach out” to opponents than Republicans by 3:1 or so.

      That is why Republicans believe so many things that just are not true: they are anti-science (Climate Change, evolution, etc.) and anti-secular (separation of church and state, church does not have to obey the state but the state has to do the church’s bidding).

  • Anonymous

    It’s really amazing to listen to an apparently sincere, decent Republican (Cary) claiming that Republicans are the party of “fiscal responsibility” when all the numbers are against them.

  • Jim

    Why do the social and religious conservatives who say “we should not have to pay for the sexual activities of women” not object to insurance coverage of Viagra and other drugs for erectile dysfunction?

    • toby fletcher

      you either a Conservative or not their is no such thing as social or religious conseratives just spin by the liberal gop
      Nobody is forcing anybody pay for viagra
      this whole issue was brought up by the Anti Semite obama regime to deflect against their failed policies

  • Steven in Newburyport

    Not all ulta conservatives agree with Rush! I’m a very conservative libertarian (Ron Paul supporter) and believe Rush’s  comments are hideous. 

  • Anonymous

    as a Roman Catholic, and independent, I see no rational explanation for birth control to be ‘medicine” [with the exception of women who have those medical ills, fibroids etc.].
      If birth control is medicine, then babies are a disease. to force a church to be the source of birth control [money aside, and is not the issue-in that the coverage would not exist unless the women were working for the church.
       we are falling into the irrational to compare the church forbidding birth control to 'beliefs' that 13 year old girls should be wed; these are cults not religion. confusing birth control to 'women' issues , [illness cases , as above, aside], is to manipulate the discussion and is disingenuous .
       

    • Kelly Mc

      Babies are not a disease but pregnancy is a condition. This condition can be dangerous for some women who have medical complications of all sorts. No one is telling the church to have a basket of birth control at their entrance to hand out. Birth control should be covered by an individual’s insurance so her and her doctor can decide if it is in the patient’s best health decision. The person’s religious views will dictate if she chooses to go on birth control or use another treatment option discussed with her doctor that is in line with her beliefs. Just as a Christian Scientist may have access to Lipitor for a heart condition but would choose based on her religion to utilize diet and exercise instead.

    • LizTN

      “if birth control is medicine, then babies are a disease”

      This doesn’t logically follow.  Furthermore, my tax dollars go to support a lot of wars that I don’t believe in but that you so-called christians support. Talk about “cafeteria catholics”–where were you when dubya began killing Muslims–a long way distant from the message of Christ!!!!!!!

    • Brett

      That was some rambling there.

  • Sandy from Exeter

    I’m probably too slow with my comment but I would like to know how that last caller who thinks women should pay for their own contraception feels about all the erectile dysfunction drugs.  In her view are those necessary enough to be covered under insurance?  Why isn’t that on the table, too, from all those politicians that are trying to remove women’s contraception drugs?  Perhaps they use them.

    I have never had to use insurance-covered contraception drugs but feel very strongly that, for many reasons other than the joy of sex (although that’s a good enough reason in my mind), women’s contraception should be available to women just like any other medical prescription.  It’s very much a women’s health issue that is being mixed up in a religious/moral/archaic thoughts on how women should behave.  Yes, religious organizations have rights and I think the way that President Obama handled it recently by removing the responsibility from religious organizations to provide contraception coverage and moved it to the insurance companies was a very reasonable solution.  Why is this still being discussed?  Why is women’s health choices still a magnet for politicians to play around with???  Why isn’t men’s sexual behavior and associated drugs being discussed in conjunction with all this about women’s contraception????  Whay can’t this be left as a personal choice for both men and women????

  • Sheryl Trainor

    Why aren’t Christian conservatives protesting the coverage of Viagra and Cialis and drugs of that nature whose sole use is to promote the sexual prowess of men? There is no other health concern that these drugs address–unlike birth control pills.

  • Eheimberg

    Are we forgetting that this legislation included contraception because, based on research, that maternal child health improves with spacing of children?  The government has a compelling interest in improving maternal child health…we are not ‘paying people to have sex’ but requiring insurers to use the funds provided by the enrollees of the insurance plan (not the government) to provide the OPTION of  barrier free access to something determined to improve health (as opposed to viagra).

  • Guest

    Opt A:

    There is a clear difference between offering contraception as a health insurance option, and claiming religious freedom to prohibit it. 

    One allows a person to choice,  the other forces women into a corner.

    As a country that is based on the right to freedom, how can we support taking away the freedom of choice?

    Opt B:

    It is ironic because a central tenant of Christianity is accepting Jesus as your savior. You have to make the choice between the devil and Jesus. If moral Christians think that birth control is the devil and abstinence a way of the Lord, then in the fashion of God, people must make a choice. 

    It is vanity for humans to try and dictate how God would run a country.  

    “Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either”

    Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Act of Religious Freedom

  • Masha

    Is it true that Viagra is paid for by most health insurance? I heard that on NPR and if that’s the case, how can birth control not be?

  • afreewoman

    Since insurance pays for Viagra, I don’t hear that Viagra promotes sexual promiscuity for men.  Perhaps that is because Limlaw uses it?

    • Guest

      I was wondering, about the religious institution’s insurance….If they do pay for Viagra….do they make sure the men are married?

  • David Swan

    AND if women use birth control to reduce the risk of getting pregnant from sex, then that’s THEIR CHOICE!  “Keep Your Theology Off My Biology!”

  • Roger in Stamford CT

     For the woman who called in and said she believed that insurance shouldn’t pay for birth control because it is a personal choice, I would like to point out what that decision could mean. There are a lot of choices we make every day which can have an impact on our long term health, and could require the use of medical care and medication.  If birth control is considered a personal choice, then other medical conditions could also be considered the result of personal choice.  For instance, if someone doesn’t eat well, doesn’t exercise and becomes obese, then using the same logic insurance shouldn’t pay for any medical care or medication they need because they made the personal choice to over eat, be sedentary, and cause their medical problems. 

    Personally I don’t want to see this happen, but that would be the natural extension of the caller’s opinion.

  • Gdbknyc
  • jc

    What about the perverted, creepy comments that Rush made?? Isn’t that something the Republicans can get behind to protest? Further proof that the Republican party doesn’t respect women. And the caller who is against “paying” for birth control. For an educated woman, why do you not understand how health insurance works?
    There’s an article about health care / the lack thereof in Texas. All this talk by the right is truly a backlash against the poor, and the non-white citizens.  

    • jc

       The article I’m referring to is in today’s New York Times.

    • toby fletcher

      i see more lies/race baiting and obama klan propaganda

  • Anonymous

    Why is the Republican going off message about Mitt not being a “severe conservative” as he described himself?  He is not campaigning that he would govern as a moderate as he allegedly did as governor in MA.  Which one of them is lying?

    • Modavations

      We have different messages because we don’t have Move On,or Daily Kos send us daily talking pts

    • toby fletcher

      romney is a liberal progressive republican aka democrat just like the liberal progreesive gop

  • Bijom

    Birth control is preventive medicine. The argument should be framed in that way.

  • Eric

    I agree with Jon. An Rx for the pill is ‘preventive” for several conditions whereas an Rx for viagra is corrective for one condition. Also, why is nobody addressing limbaughs solicitation of free pornography ???

  • http://twitter.com/metasilk Kir Talmage

    A point, probably made by others:
    The issues of “our taxes paying for birth control” is specious. While taxes (and debt) fund Medicare/Medicaid, other insurance companies are (officially) private, not tax-funded. (Officially. Not counting subsidies and tax breaks of which I don’t know… ugh.)

    Re sex/sexual revolution:  I hope you all get as much or as little sex (and reproduction) as you want or can compromise on, without judgement, coercion, blame or harassment.

    OK, back to just listening, thanks for the chance to comment and grumble!

  • JLMG in Nashville, TN

    Hi Tom,  I have been listening today and I have a question:  A caller just said (with respect to paying for birth control and I’m paraphrasing): “Why should we pay for other people to have sex?”   This part of the “conversation” has been driving me crazy for the last several weeks; for the last several years, honestly.  I haven’t heard anything about whether or not prescriptions for erectile dysfunction will be covered.  I bet if I was to raise hell about that, I would be accused of not considering that those medications help men with particular medical conditions.  (ie – they are a medical need; therefore they should be covered).  If people involved in this birth control for women discussion dismiss that prescribed birth control methods only enable women to have sex like irresponsible wanton maniacs, then can’t that position be taken with respect to medication for E.D.?  I am not taking that position, of course.  By all means, cover ED prescriptions, but also cover birth control prescriptions.  On a related note, the fact that I, as a woman, have access to safe birth control prescriptions, and have the right to obtain a legal abortion if I so need and choose to do so, is not what is wrong with America.

    • toby fletcher

      Nobody is making anybody pay for Viagra no man specifically went to George Town cause their insurance did not cover viagra

      • TFRX

        Just when I think you said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talking!

        (h/t Hank Hill)

  • Tpaden

    To that last caller. I agree with your stance on sex within marriage being a benefit to society — wholeheartedly. BUT you know it’s not just single women who use contraception, right??? I find it unbelievable that you think a married woman should not have access THROUGH HER HEALTH PLAN to a medication that is vital to her personal health and well being. It is incredibly disrespectful of women.

    • Yar

      If so, maybe that is the way the state should define marriage.  Once you have children, you are married as far as the state is concerned.  If you have children with more than one partner you are guilty of bigamy.  DNA testing is used to the apply the law equally to both men and women.
      It is in the best interest of society to stay out of the sex lives of its citizens.  Economically speaking, gay couples often have the most resources to dedicate to raising children.  Why do you believe sex should be only inside marriage? 

      • Jtpaden

        Personal religious upbringing, I suppose. But my point was that my personal beliefs shouldn’t impinge on someone else’s access to health care. It seems as if a good portion of the people who don’t want birth control covered by health care plans presume that everyone who DOES want it covered (me!) have a completely different sexual ethic than they do. That’s simply not true. There are a lot of married women out there who simply want to have some measure of control over when/if they have children. But in the end, that’s irrelevant. It shouldn’t matter WHY a woman needs birth control. The point is that it is needed, for the treatment of a variety of medical conditions and for the prevention of one very big medical condition — pregnancy.

        • Yar

          “But in the end, that’s irrelevant. It shouldn’t matter WHY a woman needs birth control.”

          I agree completely, I would hate to see marriage become  a determinate on access to health care. 
          Although it would be an interesting debate if some legislator proposed that prescriptions of ED medicine must be cosigned by a spouse in order to get filled or insurance companies that deny coverage to single men.

    • toby fletcher

      to claim you speak for all Women is the insulting thing
      another thing if you want birth control do not expect me to fund it

  • Burgessvt

    Here’s something underneath the pronouncements by candidates who are from theologically conservative traditions:  look at the level of talk vs. walk.  Re: the old joke about hypocrisy – the revolution in religion is when Catholics eat meat on Friday, Jews eat pork anytime, and Baptists speak to each other in the liquor store.  If you belong to a church that preaches hard lines about things like complete abstinence from alcohol (but many, many of us know folks who privately have no problem with a glass of wine with dinner & drinking in moderation), for instance, will they also just accept in stride the PRONOUNCEMENT that there should be only abstinence from sex as well as accepting that married couples (or anyone who does engage in sex) just roll with the pregnancies that result… at the same time understanding that whatever they do privately, as long as their fellow church members don’t really know too much about it, is their business.  They’ll live with a great deal of restriction by law or in the preaching in their church as long as they can still “avoid one another in the liquor store.”

  • Laurie

    Republicans and the religious are WAY overconcerned with what other people are doing with their naughty bits. They’re more worried about my sex life than I am. Get a life, people.

    • toby fletcher

      this is a complete lie
      republicans are democrats

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    I find it interesting that coverage for vasectomies (a no-no to Catholics as well) doesn’t even get on the radar. 

    • MM

      oh, yes. I brought it up, but ignored cuz  logic cant go where emotions go.  And this has to be brought up to the insurance companies that make a billion dollars off us consumers.  please people–go after the insurance companies.  ya dont got to open your own business to get insurance though, ya dont gotta go get a different job…just go after insurance companies.  right? I mean left.  or jeez–get the insurance companies.  And–BOYCOTT RUSH! (if you watch him–I dont so i speak to all you independents–the other team is way far gone..)

  • Mitchell Vt

    Women, being the ones who get impregnated, have to take the responsibility in the sexual equation.  How easy for a man to try to judge or dictate what a woman should or shouldn’t do.   Make contraception cheaper and more available and we don’t even need to have this discussion.  Overpopulation, lack of resources on this planet, and unwanted children should be more of a focus of our attention.   

    • TFRX

      I especially enjoy the retort that “condoms are cheap”.

      Ask a woman what she trusts between “me taking my B.C.” and “making a man wear a condom”.

      The same folk who don’t trust women with their own sexual agency all of a
      sudden think these same womencan force any man in any situation to don the
      prophylactic.

      (To say nothing about rape.)

  • Jan Krause

    I wonder if the people who object to paying for birth control for other people ( whether it is moral or just about “taking personal responsibility) object to paying for men’s Viagra prescriptions. Shouldn’t these people be asking men to pay for their own sex too? (yay! Someone just called in about the viagra!!)
    Plus, the idea that employers covering birth control as part of their employee insurance coverage, will make it easier for teens to have sex is quite a stretch. I know of very few teens who have employer-based insurance. Perhaps, their parents do, and if their parents want them on birth control, that assumes that there is some responsibility and parental guidance – not wild teens having more sex because contraception is paid for.
    Actually, I wish all teens who have sex would have access to both contraception to prevent conception, and condoms to prevent HIV.

  • Joanne

    Am I the only one that thinks it is ironic that all health insurers pay for viagra?

  • Maddy

    Ms. Cohen, Thank you so much for writing and talking about this in a civil and intelligent way! I have been appalled and infuriated by what I hear from far right, or fundamentalist, Republicans. Mr Santorum, et al, are welcome to their beliefs and to practice what they believe–but do not impose those beliefs on me.   

    • toby fletcher

      their is no far right as this liberal obama worshiper claims
      Santorum does not back a ban on birth control
      nobody is trying to impose anything on you accept the Jew Hating obama regime

  • Jessica

    The argument that there is no medical purpose for birth control is absurd. This medication is prescribed for many conditions beyond the prevention of pregnancy including Endometriosis,
    Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, regulation of severe PMS and more. Secondly pregnancy is not without risk and in itself presents severe health issues and complications to some women.  Saying that birth control is a licence for promiscuity is narrow minded at best.  Personally, I am in a secure and happy marriage and nearly died giving birth to my son.  The risk posed by a second pregnancy is too great to not control.  What has the greater impact on society – no coverage for birth control or the cost of the complications which come from it’s absence.

  • SomMom

    In response to the young man who said “sex is OK within marriage,” Santorum (following the Catholic church) says that sex within marriage should be mainly for procreation and that birth control is NOT OK for married couples (aside from the rhythm method).  Women need birth control, and it needs to be more effective than the rhythm method.

    This is all about trying to control young and unmarried women, but taking birth control out of insurance coverage would hurt ALL women, including married older women. Somehow this is not being addressed because of the furor over young, unmarried sexually active young women. (Notice no one is talking about men!)

    • toby fletcher

      Santorum does not back a ban on birth control
      No not all women agree with the liberal progressive talking heads and the Anti Semite DNC get over yourself

      • TFRX

        Santorum wants to put his religion between women and their doctors.

      • Anonymous

        Santorum doesn’t believe there is a right to privacy in the Constitution which is where the right to birth control was established.

  • Craig

    Maybe the GOP will realize they are not in the majority when they lose in November.

    • Oma Janet

      one can only hope

    • Modavations

      whistling by the graveyard.Is there a pill, I can take for clairvoyance.I’m stuck 4000.00 on my BoA stock

    • Anonymous

      They won’t.  They will claim that it was because they didn’t nominate an authentic conservative.

      • TFRX

        Conservatism never fails. It is only failed by imperfect vessels.

    • toby fletcher

      the gop is the same as the DNC
      romeney and mccain are both democrats
      Santorum is not a republican he is a Conservative and does not back a ban on birth control

  • Mergrem

    I have a response to something a recent caller just said about prescription contraceptives being just something a woman chooses but that is not really medically necessary.  That faulty argument could be made about many prescription medications, even, for example, cholesterol medications where often a patient is told he or she can make some lifestyle changes, i.e., eat better, exercise, etc., to control his or her cholesterol levels, or take one of the many prescription cholesterol lowering medications.  More on point, if the caller and others think that contraceptives are just a lifestyle choice medication not worthy of being covered under insurance, I’d like to know what their view is on insurance coverage for Viagra, Cialis, and other such medications.  Finally, are people forgetting that many men want and receive the contraceptive benefits of the pill when they have female sexual partners who take the pill?

    • Wilson

      I would also like to add that there are medical purposes other than prevention of pregnancy for birth control.  For instance, many women use them to regulate horomones when they have a hormonal imbalance that could lead to such things as osteoperosis.  I would like to hear from someone who knows about health insurance who could comment on how much it actually costs the insured to keep birth control in comparison to the costs of an unwanted pregnancy, including pre and postnatal care for the mother.  My guess is that we are rocking a pretty sturdy boat.
       

    • Brett

      Not to mention there is a whole population of women who have very difficult, erratic menses, and taking birth control pills helps regulate their menstrual cycles. This is a legitimate medical application of the drug, and it has nothing to do with using birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. We would be remiss as a society to deny, say, for example, a grown woman with schizophrenia, living in a state sponsored program and on Medicaid, who has birth control pills prescribed to her to regulate her menstrual cycles. 

      • Gregg

        No one is denying birth control to anybody. Does that matter?

        • Brett

          What about the example? (Schizophrenic, on Medicaid, etc.) You know, these people have about twenty-five bucks a month left over (after fees to the group home for shelter and services) to spend on food and whatnot. Should the woman in this example pay for her own birth control pills and forego meals? What should she do without to pay for birth control pills? Should she just suffer the health consequences by not regulating her menses? These are real examples  

  • Guest

    A follow-up to caller Heather:

    All of this boils down to money; what the government pays for, what the government tells employers to pay for, and how society perceives this.

    Churches get many tax breaks; that is a form of government subsidy.  If women are to pay for birth control then why don’t those practicie religious have to pay to practice in the US?  There is a supposed separation of church and state in this country.

  • TFRX

    Let’s get back to “mainstream values”, says Cary?

    Birth control is a mainstream value.

    Having to listen to someone soft-pedal the idea that a woman should worry pass someone else’s acceptance test, beside her doctor’s, to get it?

    That’s the radical idea here.

    • Gregg

      The radical idea is that the Bill of Rights should be flushed down the toilet to force a Jesuit school to pay for it. No one is against birth control. As I understand it, not even Catholics. They are against the pill because the manner in which it works (after conception) makes it like a teeny weeny abortion. They are protected by the Constitution to hold that belief. The pill is not the only method available.

      • TFRX

        Then they can not hire or admit as students people who want full health insurance.

        If they can’t discriminate then, they can’t discriminate in insurance.

        And President Obama hoodwinked the Catholic Brigade (but not 98% of actual Catholics) with a compromise which I’m sure you’re objecting to for some crazy reason.

        For a self-professed non-believer, why are you so fascinated with giving away my religious liberty?

        • Gregg

           I’m trying to protect it.

          • TFRX

            For schools and hospitals, for which they compete for business in a marketplace, they can’t discriminate in hiring.

            But you’ve got some fantastical idea that they can discriminate in insurance. And still keep their tax breaks.

      • Anonymous

        Wrong, the Catholic church even opposes the use of condoms which in no way could be considered a “teeny weeny abortion.”

        • Gregg

          That’s not my understanding and I have looked into it. But I could be wrong. I should stick with the basics: No one is denying anyone contraception.

  • Kristin Meche

    Excellent program, Tom. Your guests were well chosen. They actually engaged in civil and informative discourse on an emotionally charged topic.

  • Bill

    The conservative cultural counter revolution has been ongoing for years.  It began with the ‘southern strategy’ and has grown since then.  Let’s face it, back in the 70′s and 80′s being a ‘born again Christian’ was viewed as a Jesus Freak.  It’s now mainstreamed.  Couple that phenomenon with the fact that people who used to be southern Democrats are now members of the party that freed the slaves.  The current Republican party would never free slaves, it would bring back Jim Crow laws if it could.  The party’s views on women are very simply aligned with that position.  The Republican party of Olympia Snow, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Goldwater is long gone.  

    • Bruce

      I agree this is not your grandfather’s Republican Party with the exception of Barry Goldwater.  I think your identification of Goldwater with GOP moderates is mistaken.  

      No less than George Wallace, Goldwater was a conservative populist who appealed to the same religious orthodoxy, national chauvinism and phobic racism that typifies the current Tea Party-base of the GOP and its politics of fear and resentment.

      Back in the day, Goldwater attacked the liberal, elitist establishment who he claimed ran the Republican Party (sound familiar?).  He flirted with the John Birch Society, which ultimately supported him in the 1964 presidential election.  He refused to condemn McCarthyism; he opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964; he denounced unions; and he supported the use of nuclear weapons.

      Like the Randian, laissez-faire libertarians who comprise one element of today’s Tea Party, he would have used the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution as a pretext for rolling back not only the federal safety-net programs, but also collective bargaining rights, civil rights, women’s rights including reproductive freedom, and gay rights including marriage equality.

      Nearly a century of progress in securing the above rights, as the guest on this show demonstrates,  could be jeopardized by not only the libertarian Tenthers, but also the evangelical Flat Earthers as well as the paranoid, anti-government, conspiracy theory Birthers.

      With the current incarnation of the GOP, it’s simply a matter of picking your poison:

      The Tenthers who use the pretext of limited government…

      The Flat Earthers who employ a bogus faith and family values…or

      The Birthers who engage in a sham militia patriotism

      Hopefully, the extremism now embraced by the GOP will lead the lemmings over the cliff just as it did in 1964.

  • Dame

    Nothing more than the TALIBAN IN SUITS.

  • Tina

    Thank you for this nuanced, sophisticated discussion of an extremely volatile topic!  But, then, I wouldn’t expect anything else from this splendid show!  Thank you Tom and all the staff, guests and callers!

    • Modavations

      gag!!!!!!!!   sorry,sorry

  • Anonymous

    We have a right to own property in this country.  We do not have a right to have property given to us.

    If a woman’s health insurance doesn’t pay for birth control, she can either find a job who’s insurance does cover it, or pay for it out of pocket.  She still has choices

    • mm

      Oh, great. Go find a different job. Why not propose to the insurance she has,”hey, if you pay for my birth control, I chose not to have a baby right now that you will have to supplement for my care.”
      Hello Board:   Its cheaper for the insurance companies to pay for prevenative measures rather than having that baby.  THAT is what us responsible, wonderful mothers think, man. why has this not sunk in to the insurance companies?????????
      You want to go find a job because your insurance doesnt pay for your prostate testing? It is a gender debate now, right? I want this choice, why can’t I pose it?
      It is illegal for anyone but yourself to know your medical information. why is women’s health being discussed?

      • Anonymous

         We’re not discussing women’s health -we’re discussing whether employers have to pay for birth control even if they have religious issues with it.

        Personally, I’ve always made sure a job offered a PPO when I signed up – and if my health insurance premiums were adjusted accordingly, I wouldn’t mind paying for my own prostate exam, as I think we’ve crammed too many ‘maintenance’ costs into health insurance, which should be for the surprise costs.

        • TFRX

          If an employer can’t have an issue with hiring someone of no faith, where do you get the idea that they can discriminate on insurance for the same reason?

    • TFRX

      How do you think health insurance works?

      Do you know anyone who is keeping a crap job strictly for the health insurance? Do you have any idea how common that is?

      Are you ready to tell our mainstream medai, with its prepondedrance of over-50-male voices, to similarly give up E.D. drugs? Really?

      Do you know that George W. Bush’s admin defended the coverage of B.C., per the 2000 decision, without squawking about it? Or that this is law in over half the states, without complaint?

      • Anonymous

         There is a difference in how I think health care should work and what we are arguing at the moment.

        I’m not telling anyone to give up ED drugs – I simply don’t think health insurers should be required to cover it.

        I also don’t care how many states already require contraception coverage (though the right is arguing that those states provide ‘outs’ such as through self-insurance) – Just because some states have already implemented what I consider to be a bad idea and un-constitutional doesn’t mean I think it should be extended nationally.

        • TFRX

          Then you have to get louder about males giving up ED drugs. And make it a narrative, because nothing happens in a media vaccuum.

          Because it isn’t a narrative, just a snarky comeback by lefties. And until it is something that comes out of (say) Diane Saywer’s mouth at the top of every story about this, you can be rightly accused of wanting to have it both ways.

  • Gerald Fnord

    It’s hard to escape these rôles for a few reasons.

    0.) They _do_ have _some_ basis in actual biology.  To reframe a[n old-school Burkean] conservative argument, they couldn’t have lasted this long—in their broad outlines whose details have changed much over time—if they didn’t to some extent play to average strengths.  Please note:  “broad” and “some” and “average”—the latter is particularly important to know if one’s speaking about the rights of individuals, which should never be limited by average talents unless we want the world of Vonnegut’s “Harrison Bergeron”.  I’m starting to sound a little like a Randroid here, so I’ll pause to wash my hands.
    1.) Future shock:  things are more ‘less like they were’ than they ever were before.  From Indonesia to Cairo to Colorado Springs, many people’s reaction is to cling ever tighter to The Old Ways, even if The Old Ways are an interpretation some fanatic made up a scant century ago.
    2.) Fetichisation.  Put simply, people socialised to these rôles tend to get off on them, so threatening them threatens their ability to get off.  (Some men are so devoted to lusting after a stereotypical ‘girl’ that they don’t care much about the actual genitals of the object of desire, for which reason AIDS educators have to say ‘men who have sex with men’ rather than ‘gay men’ because many men in macho cultures don’t consider themselves ‘gay’ as long as they’re ‘manly’ enough.)  Anything that threatens whatever level of sexual satisfaction people have been able to cobble-together may have a hard row to hoe (as Mr Santorum is starting to find out).

  • Sylvester Steffen

    the genesis myth of woman from man’s rib is erroneaously taken as God’s word justifying male sexual overreach; males continue conveniently to put words in god’s mouth

  • Kelly Mc

    I do believe that sex within marriage is better because there’s less risk and drama of STDs, unwanted pregnanceis, etc. But as a married woman I am on birth control so we can better plan our family and not find ourselves in a financial strain b/c we can’t afford another $900 per month for another child in daycare. Asking me to abstain from sex only creates a loveless marriage and weakens our family bond. If these religious Republicans want to keep sex in marriage they need to encourage it in their church not use government to force all to comply.

    • Gregg

      Who is asking you to abstain from sex? This is a manufactured crisis.

      • Modavations

        Nother day nother crisis

  • Anonymous

    Why did BUR spend an whole hour on this withe trash?

  • jkb28

    This issue is not just about the right for women and young girls to have sex freely, but it is about family planning.  Even if society followed the advice of that one caller and only had sex when married, people would still want access to birth control.  Most couples do not want (or could not even afford) to have 5, 6, 7+ kids, which is what would happen if birth control was not covered.  I think this is an important point that hasn’t been discussed enough.

    • Anonymous

      Um, no, if birth control wasn’t covered then the couple could spring the $10 a month for it on their own.  Has the left gotten so government dependent  that they don’t know how to do anything for themselves anymore?

      • TFRX

        Try harder with that.

        What kind of BC can you get for $10 a month? Are you that dedicated to letting others insert themselves between a woman and her doctor? Are you really so invested in allowing others to make medical decisions for her?

        After 25 states, and the EEOC, mandate that if a plan covers Rx, it covers birth control pills?

        The right wing has picked the wrong side of this argument: Being against Americans who want to have sex. Picking a fight which for once has the face of a white female on it, not some discardable “other”.

        If this is the hill you want to die on, be my guest.

  • Benhammer286

    This has nothing to do with the Sexual Revolution or with birth control, it is about government control.  Liberals want to force us to pay for everything they deem important to somebody, while the rest of us simply want to be left alone.

    We can agree to differ, but the fact is that the only values being forced here are those of
    the minority who want to force Obamacare on the rest of us , not the other way around as they would have us believe.

    • toby fletcher

      very well said

    • notmean

      there is not a minority who want to force Obamacare…The minority you speak of are a majority without a voice-the poor. the homeless, especially kids.  Let me guess, you have healthcare, you have a job because you weren’t born in poverty…good for you.  I will leave you alone because you dont care about humanity.  it is about politics–always is…so would you be one of the people watching the vid Rush was talking about? 

      • Benhammer286

        Every poll states a majority opposed and it has grown as more people have read the bill.  That’s a fact.  This is not about insurance that we choose to buy based on the coverage. 

        Your personal attacks, like Rush’s are not something that I am going to bother responding to.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Masaccio-Masolino/100003115704035 Masaccio Masolino

       It’s true a lot of liberals, and as the guests show, a lot of conservatives, want contraceptives to be covered by insurance.

      If you don’t like that, figure out some way to get a majority to agree with your position. Try to imagine a way to handle the problems it will create and come up with solutions to those.

      In the meantime, don’t buy health insurance. it’s no skin off my nose, which is a test for acceptable uses of government you might want to adopt.

    • TFRX

      Please explain how you think health insurance works.

      And, have you ever been on the losing religion’s side?

  • Mick Riffs

    Truth be told, this is more about the competition for jobs and women’s role in the workplace.  Hiring and promoting needs to be more organic.  There are now too many government grant programs providing funds to employers for favoring women.  It has all happenned in the span of a single generation.  Previous to that for the 10′s and probably 100′s of thousands of years before, men were responsible for every great advance in science, techno,ogy, medicine as well as Military conquests.  In a time where we are in a Global competition more than ever, we need to rely on what has always been our strength.  Maybe this feminist experiment comes at a bad time and could be much of the problem with our corporate leadership in the US.  Many women deserve the high paying positions they have, but some have been pushed up the ladder too quickly at the expense of a better trained man.  Women just don’t have the mentors and role models to draw from.  Their time will come, but lets stop forcing the issue.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Masaccio-Masolino/100003115704035 Masaccio Masolino

      There are way too many men who have positions they don’t earn. They take up space that could be filled by others with more merit, men and women, married and unmarried and so on.

      As you say, we need to put our best people forward. It gives us a huge competitive advantage, and it’s a shame we don’t do better.

  • Emsaff

    Two comments:
    To the caller who had 7 children and said sex should only take place marriage:

    Many women who are married don’t want to have 7 children and use birth control have control on how large they want to have their family.  I find it disheartening that the guests could only see birth control from a single women’s perspective.

    Comment #2

    Why do the people who want birth control covered and pay for talking about birth control as a “health care issue.” Many people in this country have no idea the number of health issues it resolves. Shame on these people for not being clearer and spelling this out to fight for their cause.

     

  • Dame

    As if women are the only ones who enjoy the benefits of birth control!

    Seems men are very much the beneficiaries, just as women enjoy the results of erectile dysfunction drugs, vasectomies, testosterone gels…

  • Jess in Boston

    Honestly, I really wish sex WAS more Victorian than it is today. Not in the sense that people weren’t having relations out of wedlock or doing outrageous things sexually — oh, yes, they were. Haven’t you read Victorian literature? There is no magical time period when people didn’t behave like people. I haven’t found one, at least.

    What I mean by sex being more Victorian is that what went on behind closed doors was considered nobody else’s business in polite society. People weren’t supposed to talk about it ad nauseam or concern themselves so much with what other people are doing in their bedrooms. At least they pretended not to, anyway, even if they did.

    I do wish we could return to that, on both sides of the political debate. 

    • Gerald Fnord

      I think that view a little idealised.  There was an awful lot of exploitation going on which the tabu on even speaking of the subject helped allow, whether of poor women by their employers or servants by their masters or prostitutes by pimps, madams, and ‘cadets’.  Ibsen risked his career to present ‘Ghosts’ because the problem addressed (men who brought V.D.s into their families) was a real one.

      That being said, I can agree with you that the fundamentally aristocratic view—that of autonomous individuals whose consensual sex-lives were their own affair—is fundamentally better than the plebeian, toward which both parties play (the Republicans more so today, hence making fun of college, but my party are not guiltless either).  If only it were easy to keep that ‘consensual’ in play—aristos typically don’t care too much about the finer points of consent; on the other hand, a decent welfare state makes it harder to exploit people….

    • Liane

      If Victorian novelists had taken your advice there would be nothing sexual in Victorian novels

  • Eliyahu Alexander

    The long term effects of the sexual revolution and birth control have been the break down of the traditional family structure and increased promiscuity.  How is this good for anyone?  The american family boasts a divorce rate over 50%.  I wonder why?  Sex has lots its sacredness in America.  It has become just as commonplace and meaningless as putting on a pair of underwear.  Shame on you pinko lefties for ruining the social fabric of America.

    • Brett

      Exactly how has birth control caused the breakdown of the traditional family structure? I’ll bet you Mitt Romney money you can’t actually find any causal relationship between birth control and divorce. 

    • Anonymous

      Why is the divorce rate higher in the red states?

      • Liane

        This is an excellent observation. My guess is that because red states are often more rural there is more economic pain- and that is why the left of the coasts don’t get it. (I’m on the left BTW)

    • TFRX

      “Sex has lost its sacredness”

      “Shame on you pinko lefties for ruining the social fabric of America.”

      Are you kidding? I mean, if you are, that’s a nice deadpan.

    • BenTen10

      Spoken like someone who doesn’t get laid and has real deep problems because of it that they hide behind a curtain of bull.

  • Benhammer286

    I am amazed at how far the participants on this board can get from the point at issue here.  I thought that NPR people were supposed to be the smartest people in the room.

    • Gregg

      They are obviously not but they are the most easily led. Just mention Rush or mutter “Haliburton” under your breath and they’ll take it from there. No need to be rational.

      • Buddhaclown

         You spend your entire life here. Why?

        • Gregg

          Good question, but it’s not as bad as it seems. I’m at my computer working anyway when the weather is bad and it’s easy.

        • Modavations

          I’m at work.I’ve got two T.V.s going,I’ve got Rush on the radio.I’ve got a phone one hand talking to clients and I’m picking my toes with the other.Are you a real Buddhist or a Trendy,Cool,Buddhist.You’ll be a jew or catholic again as soon as the fashion fades.

  • kmm

    Why do we have medical insurance?  We share the cost of a high premium with an employer.  Almost nothing is truly covered.  We often have to use an FSA account to pay for all or part of care we need or want.  Most doctors (I frequently ask) do not even know the cost of what they provide.  Is that a good way to do business?  Pharmaceutical companies push medication – often medication is not the best curative.  Health insurance and billing companies make a tremendous amount of money from this system which increases the cost of health care.  How about we let pharm companies R&D new drugs, fund and monitor a regulatory agency, and then let people chose what they think is good to pay for keeping themselves healthy? The best doctors and drugs would be paid for directly by the consumers.  Why should I be required to pay for someone else’s health choices?  I need to take care of myself and my family first and then I would like to choose to donate to organizations that I believe offer quality healthcare to the those who need help.

  • Hunter

    Smacks of Sharia Law

    … oh wait … Sharia Law says it’s okay to use birth control.  That means these GOP religious extremists are even to the right of Islamic extremists.

  • U.S. Vet.

    Everybody knows that if someone on the ‘hateful left’ had called the Georgetown law student a slut instead of Rush Limbaugh, the left-wing pro-Obama  news media would have completely ignored this non-story.

    • TFRX

      You need to define “everybody” more carefully.

      • U.S. Vet.

        People with common sense

    • Modavations

      Democrat wars good,Republican Wars bad.Bush Deficits bad,Obama deficits good.Solyendra good,Halibuton bad.Ever read Tom Swift.One crew cracked the egg on the top,liliputians on the bottom.

  • not okay

    The pill has many benefits for the well being of women other than controlling pregnancy.   I think the caller who claimed that the pill is merely a choice for women should do a little more research on the pill before making those claims.

    I believe that many people have proven that they have sex whether they have contraceptives, or not.  I would rather pay for people “having sex” than pay for the alternative: Unplanned pregnancies that result in abortions or welfare checks.

    I think that radical conservatives need to start taking a good look around them to see that we’re already overpopulated, and their views on this subject will eventually cause a one child per family limit.  I think that they also really need to examine the mans role in all of this, too.  If women aren’t on contraceptives and have children out of wedlock then I believe men need to start taking more responsibility for their children.  There should be stricter consequences for abandoning the mother and child, and not paying child support.  It takes two to tango.

    • Gregg

      Please explain the logic that says unwanted pregnancies lead to welfare checks. I have a little more respect for humanity than that.

      • not okay

         The average age that women become sexually active is around 17.  If contraceptives aren’t as available to women pregnancies around this age will rise, so will the rate of the uneducated.  This may not be the case for all pregnancies, but there will be a specific group it will be true for.

        • Gregg

          But contraceptives are readily available and for free in many places.

          • Anonymous

            And the “Red States” have much higher rates of teen pregnancy than “Blue States.”

            That is as much because of ignorance (lack of full sex-ed) as contraceptive availability, but it all comes in a package. In small towns you know the person behind the counter, so there is some inhibition there too.

          • Modavations

            .Every ghetto is and always has  been run by Democrats.Up to 90% of births are out of Wedlock.Planned Parenthood does 80% of it’s abortion work in the ghetto

        • Modavations

          I can get contraception in two seconds.

          • TFRX

            Someone want to explain to Moda how women might want to be in charge of their own contraception and have sex, rather than trust some random male?

          • Modavations

            I was married 8 years.The doc told my wife to quit the pill because of Breast Cancer.She’d been on it for years.Condoms were a snap

          • TFRX

            Way to anecdata, bub.

            Let me just tell my proverbial niece that some guy she’s never gonna meet uses condoms when he’s married. That’ll solve all her problems.

            Do you want to sit in with her and her doctor too?

          • Modavations

            Dude.I don’t read your retorts.Quit wasting your time

          • TFRX

            That you spout off shite in response to things you don’t read is pretty apparent.

  • Anonymous

    I would have thought that wearing a sweater vest was effective contraception.  Maybe Santorum didn’t start wearing them until after he had his kids. 

    • Gregg

       That’s funny.

    • Modavations

      I’d sooner slit my wrists,eat cyanide then wear one of those vests.They attract Nerdettes

      • Ray in VT

        Come on, geeky chicks can be super hot.

  • Gregg

    This is all surreal. People actually believe there is some kind of assault on women’s rights. There is not. It’s all manufactured for the sheep.

    • Anonymous

      This was a nonissue created by the Bishops.  Obama offered a reasonable compromise and then the Republicans offered legislation to allow any employer to refuse coverage of any sort due to unspecified moral objections.  I know you think workers should have no rights from their masters but most people dependant on their employer for health care as part of their earned compensation would differ.

      • Gregg

        I am all for workers rights. Obama’s “compromise” is still in conflict with religious freedom. I wish that was the conversation we were having.

        You wrote: “… legislation to allow any employer to refuse coverage of any sort due to unspecified moral objections.”

        Why should an employer be required by law to provide insurance at all?

        • Anonymous

          I gather you support single-payer Medicare-for-all! Good in many ways as it would free small businesses from this sometimes onerous obligation — when an employee has an expensive chronic condition!

    • Modavations

      My darling kicks my ass regularly.

      • Gregg

        Me too, she’s the most accomplished, disciplined and beautiful person I know. She sure doesn’t need me.

        • Ray in VT

          Mine does.  We live in the country and she can’t drive (anxiety issues combined with poor depth perception).  She keeps me around because she likes me.

        • FlimSac

          Oh now, Gregg and Modavations are acting like they are two different people, that’s a laugh. You are pleasuring youself in public again — Dick.

        • Modavations

          I’m her sex tool.Otherwise she prefers T.V

          • Gregg

             I laughed out loud on that one!

    • ABC

      You obviously are not a woman.

  • Greg MacDonald

    The biggest Change to the human condition in the 20th century was the birth control pill is a bold but defensible statement. Another such statement is that the biggest opportunity missed by America was the failure of the ratification of the ERA in the 1970′s

  • Ellen Dibble

    I think the term “slut” suggests a female has nothing to trade on except her sexuality, that she can and will “use” this power over the opposite sex, in a manipulative way.  I think the reason it feels so demeaning (besides that Rush Limbaugh clearly meant it to be demeaning) is that both men and women try to have something to offer on earth besides being sexually provocative.   I mean, you wouldn’t know it from the array of advertisements that seek to extract our money from us in the interests of our being more desirable/provocative (and less accessible; here’s to the tease in us all).  But “slut” suggests that you are a sexual piece and not much else, and from time to time, it seems the males would like that to be exactly the truth, so maybe they should shut up about it, even be grateful.

    • Gregg

      It was not smart to use that word and Rush regrets it. He actually was making a great point and it got completely lost. That’s sad but it’s on him.

      I have no problem with sluts, more power to them. I used to be one myself long ago but it’s not all that satisfying compared to a loving monogamous relationship. It’s empty.

      • Ray in VT

        Amen to that latter sentiment.  Neither my wife nor I got around before getting together, and I try to convince my nieces, nephews and younger workers of just how rewarding a true and loving is when compared to a shallow, physical one.

        • Gregg

          Unfortunately Ray, I had to live it to learn it. Good luck with your nieces and nephews.

          • Ray in VT

            Same here.  I’ve made some mistakes, but I’ve learned from them.  I’m hoping that the family turns out well, but they have some terrible influences in their town.  The amount of drinking, drugging and scewing among kids as young as 12 shocks and appalls me.

            I grew up poor, but we had some self respect and some solid values.  My grandparents were farmers, but my grandmother maintained a sitting room.  We always had a purpose and a goal, and I don’t see that from many of my brother’s neighbors.

        • SaladaBegone2

          I was very active. Had a dozen great loves, and hundreds of female partners, sex as a teenager was great and very healthy. I am presently in a long term open relationship in which we both recognize the value of a little variety in this respect. I would not trade my hippy-dippy teenage live style for yours even if you paid me. These were great times and I am happy to see that the kids today just ignore people like you if they have any smarts at all. By the way I never got any STD or caused any unwanted children to be conceived. That’s right, no abortions, no STDs, a rich loving and varied sex life and I would bet that I am far more fulfilled by my partner than you, and I would give you ten to one that my partner is more fulfilled than yours — oh righteous a**

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t even know where to begin on this one.  You and your partner are happy you say.  Good for both of you.  My wife and I are also quite happy with our lives.  We found what works for us.

            Keeping with my pledge from earlier today, I’m going to keep it civil on this one.  If someone else out there who sees the value of a long-term monogamous relationship wants to tear into this one, then feel free.

          • Gregg

            Dudes that brag like that are usually tiny and limp.

          • URaMoron

            Dudes who are concerned with the size of other dudes dicks are usually in the closet gays.

          • IzzaTruu

            Obviously you do not have the big bucks or you wouldn’t have to allow
            your partner to fool around. Don’t you understand that if you are
            wealthy none of this applies? And all these clowns who are condemning
            your lifestyle would just overlook your extramarital relations and
            secretly envy you for doing the supermodels?

          • Gregg

            In my early 20′s I played music on the road 200 nights a year. There was a whole lot of sex, drugs and rock and roll. A bunch. It was fun for a while and I wouldn’t trade the experiences. Then I grew up.

            But whatever floats your boat is cool with me. You don’t want me to buy your contraception do you? That may change my mind.

          • SaladaBegone2

            No I don’t want anyone to buy anything for me, but I do want to add that I totally oppose the presentation of violent sexual stereotypes in porn, and just oppose the kind of abuse of others that goes on in this industry and wish it were made illegal. However being that porn makes four time what hollywood does, I would say that the forces of capitalism will prevail.

        • JBergHi23

          So you giving advice to your nieces and nephews is sort of like a priest giving marital advice. All theory no experience.

          • Ray in VT

            I didn’t say that I was inexperienced, I just said that I didn’t get around.  By that, I meant that I wasn’t promiscious.  I think that my advice to them is pretty solid.  I also advise them to find something that they love to do and then figure out a way to get paid to do it.

          • JBergHi23

            Now that second suggestion is rather solid. Worked for me anyhow.

          • Gregg

             ditto.

          • Gregg


            Good advice.

      • Brett

        What was his point?

        • Gregg

          That she had no right to demand her sex life be funded. And she doesn’t.

          • TFRX

            Someone want to base Gregg in the bare facts of this story?

            Per Gene Weingarten

            —All of this bile followed from his assertion that she testified about her own extremely active sex life.      Here’s the thing:  She didn’t.  She said nothing whatsoever about her own sex life.  She did not mention her own contraceptive needs at all: She spoke passionately and eloquently, and respectfully, about several friends of hers, Georgetown students who she said were diagnosed with medical conditions requiring the birth control pill, but who could not get it because they could not afford it.—

            http://live.washingtonpost.com/gene-weingarten-120306.html?hpid=z5

          • Gregg

            She was not talking about medical problems.

  • InyuooFazz

    I for one am unwilling to pay for the ruinous expense that the love child between the idiot-right and our zionist masters will cause, because it’s name is War and Corruption. Zionists and right-wing toady idiots like Lymbaugh should be neutered in order to preserve America for our grandchildren.

  • U.S. Vet.

    On Point has decided to devote an entire to this non-issue.

    But Obama’s Atty. General, Eric Holder, claims that the U.S. goverment now has the right to arbitrarily kill U.S. citizens on foreign soil.

    I know.  On Point wouldn’t want to expose the criminality being committed by the Obama Administration.

    • Buddhaclown

      This is not a non-issue. It may be for you, a man who is more concerned with foreign issues, but for women this is a major issue.

      Furthermore, this issue exposes a motivation behind the anti-abortion debate which is NOT only about saving a human life but is apparently also about making sex have consequences . . . because obviously if you were ONLY for saving a human life you would be FOR contraception since it prevents unwanted pregnancy. But to be against contraception AND abortion must only be motivated out of a concern about sexuality in general, not the unborn fetus.

    • JonClaudeBernaie

      That’s only if they have become an enemy combatant and joined an opposing fighting force. Don’t be a dupe.

  • Anonymous

    We need a Lysistrata movement.  Seriously.  For common sense, for peace, for justice, and for women.

    And the sooner the better.

    • JJJimmmanyC

      I thought we already had one and that women were punishing me for not becoming an investment banker.

    • Liane

      a new religion, by way of the ancient Greeks

  • Liane

    I think it is mistaken to see this current debate as a cultural issue only. It’s mixed up with economics and it can’t be unentangled.(Tom, it would have been interesting if one of your recent guests – Charles Murray- was on this show as well) I

    This isn’t a case of pitting women against each other (for the most part). We shouldn’t underestimate the profound changes in our culture- which Nancy Cohen pointed out have been positive. But if you ask working class women, I think you might get a more complicated picture, and I am not speaking about immigrant women, I mean the generation of women about 20-40 years old who were formerly middle class who are rethinking marriage and child rearing because of economic realities.  This change is what the right is reacting to. It isn’t quite “sentimental religion” as your caller from the heartland put it. It is threatening to pull apart the American family in profound ways and where we go from here may depend on religion or secularism. I am on the left, but I see the debate characterized rightly on the right. This isn’t a false consciousness.  Engage them on their terms.

    Economically, in America in 2012, marriage doesn’t work for a  lot of people who it once use to work for (sort of). Marriage was once economically beneficial. But why get married now if you can’t trust your partner will be self-supportive let alone support children? 

    Where do we go from here? I hope that we will think really deeply about child rearing and marriage, and the left will engage in this discussion rather than just say the right wants to turn the clock back on women’s reproductive freedom. This is really a debate about the future, and whether fundamental Christianity, a more liberal Christian tradition, or something else entirely will govern family life. 

    Maybe we need a new religion- if Joseph Smith can do it, why can’t we have a female prophet. Whats good for the goose…

    • Liane

      I forgot to add, Limbaugh is often saying that “the state” has taken the place of the father.  Federal spending replaces the husband’s role- whether you agree or not, that is where he is coming from.  This is about economics as much as it is cultural. It is about the role of the father and that is why Charles Murray is relevant here and why the turn to the Heavenly father is so much part of the current debate

      • Modavations

        Up to 90% out of wedlock birth in the ghetto.One out of every three black males in jail,probation,or parole.The govt.makes a terrible daddy,ask Moynihan

        • D1

          government issued birth control could largely solve this problem.

          • Modavations

            Daddies and intact nuclear families.Keep you patronizing solution 

          • Gregg

             Bingo.

          • URaMoron

            Why do you continually agree with Modavations? Everyone knows you are the same person.

          • Modavations

            Cut it out Gregg says Mr.Farenheit 451

          • Gregg

            Maybe it’s ultrax.

          • URaMoron

            good luck with that

    • Buddhaclown

      What does contraception have to do with the stability of the family?

      Isn’t making contraception and abortion harder to access essentially going to make women have MORE children (intended or not)? How is having MORE children helpful to a family that is struggling to support a few?

      The power of religion is strongest is the third world, the Middle East, South America, and Africa . . . how well is it working out for the people there?

      If we are going to find solutions to the problems you raise, it can’t be from rolling back the clock. We need to find new solutions, we need to evolve.

      • Modavations

        Having actually traveled further then Brattleboro,they’re doing just fine.In fact I know guys in S.Africa that have never even heard of the U.S..Is Buddhism still in vogue.I have plenty of pals in Jaipur that are the real things.Not trendy’s

        • Ray in VT

           If you look at some of the population graphs from the third world, it is just amazing to see how many people are starting to enter childbearing age.  If those families do not practice some sort of family planning, then those countries are going to have some real issues.  6-8 child families are not sustainable in resource strapped countries.  Heck, they wouldn’t be sustainable here either.

          • Modavations

            Cross my heart Raymundo,my cleaning lady in Joburg didn’t know what the U.S.was.As for population,it drops with laissezfaire inspired affluence.Less infant mortality and all that

          • Ray in VT

            You know that I’m not sold on the power of the market to fix everything.  You can have capitalism, even perhaps something close to a laissez-faire model, and still have the culture dominated by what we might call backwards ideas about the proper role and rights of women.  I think that education is probably a greater key.

            As for your first point, I wouldn’t doubt it.  I’ve met people from the northeast who don’t know that Vermont is a state.

        • JGuiless

          poop elsewhere dodo head

      • Liane

        I am not arguing that Buddhaclown. What I am saying is that the right is struggling with how to deal with a generation of downwardly mobile folks, most of whom are white, and their disorganized family life. 

    • guest

      let it be whatever religion you want. . .just keep it separate from the government and do not impose it on society in general.  I am religious, but do not think my religious views should be imposed on others! 

  • ConnieWilliams3

    I wish there were more “sluts” around. In this miasma of decadence there are a virtual army of men that are twisted because of the stupid barriers that the “believers” have erected between them and any form of sexual fulfillment. In the Netherlands the unemployed and disabled get a prostitution payment that they can use to satisfy their natural desires. We should have this too. Only here you would have to give them enough so that the whores who marry for money (like 90% of all women maybe more) will be impressed enough to hop in bed.

    • KleinSam3

      Good point. These bastards who are framing the laws are at the top of a system that rewards them with huge numbers of females and males throwing themselves at them, because of their wealth and power, and they take advantage of it. Remember the Congressional Aide homosexual sex conspiracy. These bastards are hypocrites to the man. But that is the name of the game: tell the idiots what they want to hear every couple years then go on with business as usual.

      • Gregg

        Are you talking about Barney Frank’s boyfriends brothel?

        • URaPeanutBrain

          Maybe he’s referring to the Super Christian Warrior whore house.

    • Gregg

      I’d rather not treat women as objects but feel free.

      • UraPeanutBrain

        No to Gregg, women are purely a subjective phenomenon

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  • Angela

    The logic that decides that birth control is a personal choice issue… using contraception is choosing to have sex… faulty logic.  By that logic there should be no health insurance coverage for any pregnancy or pre-natal or post-natal or child-care services.  After all, you CHOSE to have sex… You chose to have sex therefore pay for your OWN pregnancy pay for your OWN delivery.  You don’t need insurance to help you, even though you already PAY for health insurance (hence you are already paying for your own pregnancy, your own choice to have sex indirectly) you should actually have to pay twice. 

    • Aminabiloo

      I would also like to add…. using birth control as your excuse for promiscuity is a very poor choice.  Birth control pills are only 97% effective (or less depending on how you take them) at preventing PREGNANCY, and 0% effective at preventing HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, genital warts, hepatitis, syphilis, etc. etc. etc. 

      However, if our aim is to reduce abortion, unwanted pregnancies are one of the leading causes of abortion (after God/natural selection) hence birth control should be promoted.   Birth control also has a positive effect in birth spacing, healthy mothers have healthy babies.  There is a movement to increase breastfeeding rates in the country, but pregnancy impairs breastfeeding in most cases.  Progesterone only birth control pills are extremely effective at preventing pregnancy, they are very inexpensive, and they don’t impair breastfeeding.  When you are finished breastfeeding, combination birth control pills are one of the cheapest, most effective forms of birth control, and most monogamous couples prefer not to use condoms.  Those are two non-promiscuity related reasons for birth control in a monogamous relationship, unless the religious right now wants to push abstinence in marriage.  

      Thus we see that far from a simple “choose to have sex” issue, it IS a women’s health issue.  After all, women DIE in child birth, die from childbirth related complications, can have complications from childbirth that last their entire lives.  Insurance companies have, before the affordable care act, voluntarily chosen to cover birth control as a prescription benefit, because it is much more cost effective to pay for preventative medicine (birth control) than pay for pregnancy and all it’s many complications.

  • TFRX

    “Be careful what bills you ask for” hero of the day? State Sen Nina Turner in Ohio:

    “Simply all I’m trying to do is protect vulnerable men and make sure that they understand the consequences for their actions. If in fact they need to be treated for erectile dysfunction, that it’s most important that they receive an affidavit that must be signed by their current or former partner to make sure that it is physical and not psychological and that the doctor takes the steps and the time to really explain to them their other options, including natural remedies or celibacy.”

  • Margarita Assael

    You can have as much sex as you want, just don’t make me pay for your contraception–

    • Ray in VT

      Are you also opposed to having health care plans cover things like Viagra?  I hear your sentiment often expressed, but what exactly to you mean by it?  If you have an employer-based health plan, then do you oppose the coverage of contraception there.  Please elaborate.

    • Angela

      But you’re willing to pay for my pregnancy?  After all, health insurance companies currently cover pregnancy services, pre-natal care, they pay for dependent services.  

      However, since I pay my own health insurance premiums, aren’t I already paying for my own contraception?  Why should I have to pay for it twice?

    • URaMoron

      No you would rather pay for the state to raise the children and later pay for their incarceration to the tune of 50k a year.

      • Gregg

        That’s sick.

      • Modavations

        Wanna end out of wedlock birth?End the welfare check.Wanna keep the daddies out of jail?Afford the poor a school voucher

    • Liane

      Did I have to pay for Rush Limbaugh’s painkillers?

      • Modavations

        His last paycheck was 400million.What do you think?His mistake was he didn’t talk to Michael Jackson and the rest of the Hollywood crowd.He should have bought a Doctor,or a small hospital

    • Liane

      So basically you are opposed to poor women having access to birth control….

    • Mattyster

      No one asked you to.  This is about insurance.

  • Francesca

    MORONS!  You want abortion to end but you are against contraception!  Human beings are never going to stop having sex, it is hard wired into them.  It’s one of the only pleasures when you live in poverty and despair, you know the quote “sex is the poor mans opera!”  Safe, reliable, affordable contraception is the only way to end abortion, teen pregnancy, and a significant amount of child abuse.

  • Buddhaclown

    This whole contraception thing has finally — after all these years — made me understand the anti-abortion debate.

    This issue exposes a motivation behind the anti-abortion
    debate which is rarely directly expressed (presumably because it is not very popular). That is at root about making sex have consequences . . . making it harder to just have sex for recreational purposes.

    The fact that many of the same people who are against contraception are also against abortion means that they are more concerned with the issue not of preventing abortions (which contraception does), but of preventing people from having sex for pleasure rather than children.

    Presumably the idea is that when people are more guarded about their sexuality — a sentiment that came out of an age when sex had more consequences — the family will be stronger.

    So . . . finally I understand the anti-abortion stance! I never could figure it out before why someone would be against abortion but then pro-death penalty. The reason is because in a round about way they believe that having the possibility of abortion leads to a more decadent lifestyle which leads to the decline in the family. And they are probably right about that! So, for them, the issue of abortion is really about the family.

    • Modavations

      What was your real religion before you got all trendy???

      • Buddhaclown

         Atheist

    • Liane

      Why would sex for pleasure lead to  decline in the family? I would say sex for pleasure strengthens the family (if it is consensual)

      At the risk of stating the obvious: sex brings people together.

      • Buddhaclown

        Two reasons I can think of off the top of my head: 1) if you no longer need to get married in order to have sex, why get married?
        2) If non-married people are regularly having sex, the chances of extra-marital affairs skyrockets, leading to higher divorce rates.

        I’m sure there are more. Is it coincidence that the contraception revolution coincides with the decline in the family? I doubt it. So I think they are essentially right.

        But what is so sacred about the family anyway?

    • Steven

      I guess.  I just hate the “pro-life” label.  They aren’t really pro-life.  They are pro-life-before-birth.  After birth they could care less what happens and would in face be happy if you dropped dead because that would mean less work for them.  Euthanize the elderly who cost too much tax payer money in end of life care.  Euthanize children born with disabilities whose parents can’t afford to pay for their care because that would require too much tax money for a social safety net to care for them.  Death penalty, wars!  It’s complicated and contradictory.  Pro-life should be pro ALL life, not just pro SOME life or pro life before it’s actually a viable real-life.  It shouldn’t just pro-potential for life, but when it’s a reality, we’re not interested.  It’s like the guy whose only interested in dating, but once he gets married he never pays attention to his wife.

  • willdancemore

    In reference to last caller…..Why hasn’t their religion kept teenagers from having sex? 

    • Liane

      Did you ever see Footloose?

  • Liane

    Does anyone know anything about Santorum’s use of the term ecology? Is there some manifesto floating aroud.  Ecology is a very loaded term.

  • Modavations

    It’s 68 in Boston.I’m in my shorts and off for a run along the Charles.Here’s a tip.Save your pennies,open your own business and I’ll meet you down by the Victory Garden

    I love global warming

    • Ray in VT

      I don’t.  It’s too damned hot in the summer already, and a bad winter keeps the skiers away.  The sledding sucked for my kids this year.

      • Modavations

        I was up two weeks ago and didn’t see one car with skis.Think of the potential for Banana and Cocanut farms.The cows will breed like crazy

        • Ray in VT

          It’s been an off year I would guess, although the resorts say that they’ve been able to make enough.  People don’t see snow in the valleys or the cities, and they think that there isn’t any in the mountains.

      • TFRX

        When the mosquitos and gnats don’t die off during the winter, you’ll know who to thank.

  • kmm

    I like to think of myself as a thinking person, who listens and truly considers others experiences and perspectives.  I like to listen to variety of media outlets for this reason.  I do not classify myself as an extremist.  

    With this introduction, I would like to proceed to ask people to look deeply into why some non-extremist people like myself may be concerned about the view of the birth control pill as all good and liberating.

    I am a 42 year old woman.  I believe I have benefitted greatly from the opening of educational and athletic opportunities for women that began in my grandmother’s generation.  I have earned a BA and MA from top tier U.S. universities.  I made more money than my intelligent, well-educated and hard-working husband when we married.  I also was raised by committed Catholic parents who raised all their daughters to be strong-minded, out-spoken, independent, well-educated and healthy women.

    The use of artificial birth control is central in the discussion of women’s health so an important question is 

    Is artificial birth control, such as the pill, good for women’s health?

    Some times yes and sometimes no.  Pills are medication and can have serious side-effects.  In some cases, the birth control pill helps alleviate problems with the menstrual cycle, yet it also can have serious side effects.  I was prescribed a birth control pill for pre-menstrual migraine by a doctor.  The often-played add on television for this particular drug indicated several severe side effects so I took the advice of the OBGYN’s nurse and increased my exercise and drank coffee during the PMS week.  My problem was solved and this drug is now off the market and the center of several law suits.  I am concerned that women take drugs pushed by pharmaceutical companies and doctors without careful consideration because of the widely accepted idea is that birth control is all good.

    Is it healthy for young, unmarried women to use artificial birth control to prevent pregnancies?  We do not want our young women having babies before they are physically, emotionally and financially prepared.  As a society, do we really want our young women having sex outside of a loving and committed relationship?  Doing so opens them up to STD’s, abuse, and emotional strain.  Why as a society, are we not openly talking about this?  Why are we not talking about the epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases, many of which cannot be prevented with artificial birth control?  Why are we not talking about the toll on women physically and emotionally of having sex at a young age and having multiple partners? I am concerned that giving young women artificial birth control to prevent pregnancy gives them the message that it is OK to have sex in a manner that really is contrary to their overall health?  

    Is it healthy for mature, well-educated and career women to use artificial birth control to delay pregnancy and then use very strong medications and expensive procedures to try to conceive in their late thirties, forties and fifties?  My sister conceived triplets through very expensive and time consuming therapies.  She nearly died in childbirth.  Her three girls are a blessing and a joy and she is the first to tell you that her experience in conceiving was demeaning and horrible.  I am concerned that many women, having accepted the idea that artificial birth control is all good, have delayed having children, and then when natural maternal feelings are acknowledged, turn to expensive and difficult paths to conception.

    Does putting the responsibility of birth control on women allow men to abdicate their responsibility to be involved in birth control, care for children, and faithfulness to one partner? As a society we need our men to be strong caretakers of the women and children. Women’s use of artificial birth control can take away the need for men to be respectful of the need for women and children to be cared for by men.  If men do not bear some responsibility for regulating pregnancy, then men can much more easily view women just as sexual partners and children just as a women’s responsibility.

    Sex is a power we have been given to create life and to communicate love.  We are called to respect it and care for it.  In the discussion of women’s overall health, we need to honestly ask ourselves how medically controlling a women’s reproductive system is good and healthy for women. 

    So here is another question, is it healthy for women to not use artificial birth control? Could it even be healthier than using artificial birth control?  Some people need the medical benefits of the birth control pill.  Some people need to not get pregnant for all sorts of reasons.  However, is it best to not have to take medication?   

    So here is where I want to assert that people who believe that  artificial birth control is not all good are not uneducated, brainwashed or extremist.  Unmarried people who chose to avoid artificial birth control and abstain from sex to avoid all the pitfalls of sex outside of marriage and married people who chose to avoid artificial birth control and abstain from sex at times within marriage to share responsibility for regulating pregnancy are actually doing something very well-educated and thoughtful – something that is very healthy.  

    • Angela

      Because it’s such a hot button issue and our culture is so hyper sexualized that we can’t have any rational discussion about anything related to sexual health without it devolving into a moral issue and then into a slug fest of forcing our way onto the other.  My morals are right, birth control is ONLY about promiscuity, therefore it should be banned etc.  You’re right, as a medication it has risks and side effects as all medications do.  Pregnancy itself has risks and side effects, including death.  Birth control has other uses, such as regulating menstrual cycles for women with hormonal disorders like PCOS, birth control pills and birth control devices like Mirena are used to control endometriosis which in turn reduces the incidence of uterine cancer among other things.  Of course all that gets lost in the morality discussion.

    • Liane

      Thanks for you story but I think there is a disconnect here: Are you opposed to married women using the pill? Don’t they have the right assess risks to THEIR OWN HEALTH?

      We hear a lot of talk about liberty on the right, but what about the liberty of women, married or otherwise.

    • guest

      Many women who use birth control outside of marriage are in loving, monogamous relationships.  They may want to wait to get married (until after college perhaps).  It is still THEIR choice to be in that relationship and have sex.  It is the freedom to have that choice that helps women’s equality.  Without it, we would no longer be equals in society.  Period.  I just earned my PhD and am in a post-doctoral fellowship.  I am in a loving marriage and was blessed with a baby boy about a year ago.  However, I was on birth control previously.  There is no doubt in my mind that I would not be where I am today had I not had access to birth control.  It is my right.

  • Anonymous

    Limbaugh complains that we are paying for sex of those who take the pill. This is perverse, but it is equal to saying that we are paying for people to have sex when we pay the medical costs of child delivery and associated birthing costs. 

    If insurance companies and employers can refuse on moral grounds to cover birth control, can they also deny birthing costs if they support population control?

    • Rhngo

      Then why not ask the insurance companies to pay for condoms?

      • TFRX

        Easy: Women are in control of the Pill. Men are in control of the condom.

        • Gregg

          Women are in control of their bodies. Sorry you think they’re helpless, I have more respect than that.

          • TFRX

            You just want some guys in mitre hats to get between women and their doctors.

            “Respect” like that many women don’t need.

  • Ray in VT

    Is there anyone else here who thinks that it’s funny, yet ridiculous, to be insulted for espousing the benefits and virtues of long-term monogamy?

    • Liane

      Monogamy does not translate into lack of a need for birth control. Don’t married women use birth control?

      • Liane

        So all these married people with 2 children must have had sex only a handful of times. Talk about ridiculous.

        • Ray in VT

          My wife has PCOS, and she has often used the pill to create a regularized cycle.  We’re quite happy to limit our family size.  I don’t want a dozen kids, although PCOS keeps down the kid count too.

          My comment was about some posts below where some posters slammed me for encouraging my nieces and nephews to form stable, long term monogamous relationships.

    • Angela

      Even monogamous women, even CELIBATE women have need of birth control for medical purposes.  Believe it or not, it is a medicine that has real medical uses for treatment of hormonal disorders like PCOS and endometriosis.  Married monogamous relationships use it to space children because their husbands don’t like using condoms for birth control and they either don’t want, can’t afford, or it would risk the wife’s health to have numerous children, especially closely spaced.  

      • Gregg

         So shell out the 9 bucks a month for the pill.

        • Sandra

          And should a woman with sever endometriosis have to pay $1,000 for an IUD even though she already pays for her health insurance premiums?  Why should she pay twice?  Why shouldn’t the health insurance she already pays for cover these things?

          • Gregg

             No, that’s what insurance is for.

          • Sandra

            But and IUD is a contraceptive device, which you are saying insurance companies should not cover.

          • Gregg

            Angela, that’s the point. I haven’t, nor has anyone else said insurance companies should not cover contraception. Rush didn’t say it, no one says it. That is what is so maddening. 

            Catholic organizations should not be forced to provide insurance that covers things against their beliefs, that’s all. It’s entirely different.

        • Michele

           and your Viagra.

          • Gregg

            If I need it I’ll buy it. But so far I have the opposite problem.

    • Modavations

      Raymundo in this age you’re a fossil

      • Ray in VT

        Sometimes the “younger generation” makes me feel that way.  I was raised in an old family, and in many ways to stick to the old ways.

    • Gregg

      26 years and never once, not even close. I advocate monogamy highly. The guys in the band used to rib me about it.

  • Mattyster

    Why so much discussion about sex outside marriage?  Most women who use birth control are married.

    • Liane

      No kidding? I thought all us liberals were ridiculing monogamy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1251181627 Chrissie Wilson

      Yep, I’m married and I’ve been using birth control for those 5 years now. My husband and I aren’t ready for kids and that’s our choice. 

      • Modavations

        Breast Cancer 

    • TFRX

      Some people wish to reserve the right to cast aspersions about the “wrong kind of woman” getting “her hands” on what her doctor has prescribed her.

  • Mattyster

    The pill is often used for medical reasons that have nothing to do with contraception.  I took it for many years to regulate excessive bleeding and an irregular cycle.

  • Michele

     

    Men have always tried to control women because they are
    afraid of us and now they are ANGRY. The World has changed – the economic health
    of our country has changed.  The way that
    men see themselves has changed.  I listen
    to all of the stories of men out of work and how their father worked for the
    same company his whole working life, etc.
    And what I hear are stories of inflexibility brought on by the belief
    that everything will always be the same.
    What was good enough for my father is good enough for me. Men are angry
    because the rules changed and they refused to see it coming. 

    Why do you think women are still making gains
    socially and economically?  Because we’re
    flexible and we’ve learned to work around a system that was not built in our
    favor. We fought and slogged for economic and social parity.  Well guess what?  The tide has finally started to change and
    instead of embracing the idea that women have a great deal to offer and can
    improve the World there is an attempt to tamp us down.  Women are marrying later or choosing to not
    marry altogether.  Social scientists
    wonder why.  Well, I’ll tell you – We don’t
    need men to provide an income and put a roof over our heads – we can do that
    for ourselves.  So, what does that mean
    for men?  Well, it means that you need to
    bring a whole lot more to the table.
    Like a personality, some intellect, and not just your earning power.  You also need to recognize that because you
    don’t think we should work, use contraception, have an opinion, and  make decisions for ourselves does not mean we’re
    going anywhere or backing down.  So, you
    have a choice you can walk with us and work toward an incredible future or you
    can sit on the sidelines whining about how you once had all the power and you
    want it back.  That choice is yours.

    • Gregg

       Wow.

    • Modavations

      I’m going celibate

      • Michele

         That would be advisable.

    • Anonymous

      Whew! this is S-o-o-o- great!  And true IMHP

  • Anonymous

    In regards to Rush Limbaugh and his extremely offensive comments and his even more offensive apology…why is this discussion aimed at women only? If we are using contraception it’s because we are having sex with a male partner. Don’t they fit into the discussion? If Ms. Fluke is a “slut” and “prostitute” in the eyes of Limbaugh, then what would he call the men having sex with her?
    And for Santorium or any other politician who thinks human sexuality should or could be legislated is ignorant at best. Humans will have sex, have had sex and will continue to have sex as long as they roam the earth. As parents, we need to EDUCATE and protect BOTH our young women and men and hope they make good decisions..but hope will not prevent unwanted pregnancy and STD’s. Why would we deny young people these protections because of some prejudiced moral motivation?
    A good politician will stick to political issues. If the Republican party stands for less government then stay out of these very personal social issues and stick to economics, foreign policy and good manners.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       Rush’s comments were abhorrent and uncalled for.  That said, you either didn’t listen to Rush’s comments in toto or are intentionally mischaracterizing them.  He never said  anything against contraception.  He only stated that he didn’t want to pay for Ms. Flukes contraceptives.  He did this in a crude and inartful way.

      • TFRX

        This is the crap he’s been spewing for over 2 decades. Don’t try to sand off the crazy by calling it “inartful”.

        • Gregg

          No he hasn’t, you don’t have a clue. That is the reason he hasn’t lost listeners over this. Anyone who has listened knows what’s in his heart and it sure ain’t hate. It’s very plain.

  • Fredlinskip

    Rush is the definition of what it means to lack patriotism.

    He is the first media spokesman who made criticizing every and all policy of his president a full time job.

    • Modavations

      What is the job of the opposition?Rush says no,Moda says hell no

      • Fredlinskip

         You may not remember, but there was a time and not so long ago when once election was over, “opposition” actually made efforts to work with other party for the sake of their country and  to honor the decision the electorate.

        • Gregg

          Must have been before GWB. 

          • Fredlinskip

             you’re right

          • Anonymous

            It changed to today’s total opposition with Clinton. And there were attempts to work with GWB but so much of what he wanted to do was so bad for the country it would have been anti-patriotic to support it.

        • Fredlinskip

           I can understand why this concept may seem foreign to GOP because in recent times it has been all about Dems trying to compromise with GOP. The reverse seldom ever seems to occur. “Country be damned- no compromise” has been the mantra.
          This has resulted in the country sliding so far towards the right, that there are those out there that actually seem to believe that Rush represents the middle?!!!!??

          So much for functional government and so much for approval ratings of Congress.
          But this is the goal of powers that be- the top few percenters.

          • Gregg

            That’s a laugh!

        • Modavations

          Did you take my lesson in elementary economics yesterday.It’s the debt to GDP that counts.Picture perfect is three 3%.In other words if you triple GDP you can triple debt.It still reads 3%.Pres.Obama has it at 10%.Reagan created 17-20million jobs and revenue to the govt,doubled.Pres.Obama has created or saved 3 million jobs.Saved jobs is a fiction Pres.Obama created.Saved jobs my as-

          • Fredlinskip

             I did add a few comments to that  “economics” conversation on that thread, (including your JFK comment et al.)

              I’m not going to repeat them here.

            except to say that the Reagan # was 16 mil jobs (More jobs created under Clinton than 20 years of Reagan, Bush Sr. and Jr. combined).

            Please refer to them there if you’ have any interest in improving your economic know-how beyond “elementary”.

          • Modavations

            This from the guy who didn’t understand 3% debt to GDP.Clinton stock market in first 2 years was 3200 to 4000.After Newt and the boys dropped Cap.Gains it went to 10,000.I like Billy.After Ronaldus,Billy was my fav..Govt spending of GDP is 18% when perfect.It’s now 25%.But what do I know.Don’t bother replying.It will be the usual obfuscation.

          • Bruce

            I think it is more productive to look at these stats in the context of other countries with whom the U.S. is competing. 

            How do you explain, for instance, that the govt. spending-to-GDP ratio is higher in the majority of OECD countries (the 30 countries with the most advanced economies in the world) and their debt-to-GDP ratio is generally more favorable (i.e. lower) than ours?

            Their overall tax burden is obviously higher than the U.S. while their rates of employment and economic growth coming out of the Great Recession (and historically) have been as high or higher that ours. 

            Just look at the Nordic countries and their performance on just about any economic or social indicator.  The impartial observer is quickly disabused of any of the old supply-side tax-cutting delusions.

            And for the record, didn’t Clinton raise the marginal income tax rate?

  • Anonymous

    Total liberal double standard…

    “…The fact is, “slut” is one of the nicer things I’ve been called over 20 years of public life. …”
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292791/war-conservative-women-michelle-malkin

    • Sandra

      Which is absolutely a symptom that men in this country cannot stand it when a woman stands up for her freedom of speech, stands up for her freedom of anything.  Conservative women can’t speak their voice without being denigrated, and neither can liberal women.  In the end, the attempt is being made by men in this country to deny women their place in society just as they are denied in Saudi Arabia in Afghanistan.  At least in Saudi Arabia their religion allows them, even encourages in some instances, to use birth control.  In this country it seems we are nothing to chattel.

      • Modavations

        My sweety kicks my ass regularly.She’s to the right of Attila the Hun

  • Zenbouncer

    If only you knew how angry I get when I lose a couple of french fries at the drive thru…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1251181627 Chrissie Wilson

    Do the people standing against birth control realize that the military pays for birth control for spouses? I’m an Army wife. I take birth control because my husband and I aren’t ready for kids. I’m getting my bachelor’s in Environmental Science. I would only be able to do this if my rights to control my reproductive future remains whole. I find the Right supports to the troops but I wonder how they’d react if they knew their tax dollars were doing to protect me and other spouses from unwanted pregnancies?

    • Gregg

      Who is standing against birth control?

      • ana

        The Catholic Church and it’s loyal follower Santorum, who is aspiring to the Presidency of the United States and who thinks that birth control leads people to do evil sexual acts and that sexual relations are merely for procreation.  No sex after woman’s menopause for a couple?

        • Ray in VT

          That is an interesting angle against the “sex is for procreation, not recreation” position.  What about people who do not have the ability to reproduce.  Should they merely abstain, even if married.  It’s a funny thought.

  • Carolineandrus

    Insurance pays for Viagra too !!

    • Guest

      Are they free, or is there a copay?

  • Modavations

    Economics according to the Masrxist Professors goes like this.Buy our Volt and we’ll give you $10,000,.00(you’d have to pay for the car in full then pay me $`10,000.00 to get me involved).Laissez Faire economics says give me your credit card for the sold out Apples and get in line.You’ll get it in 4 weeks.Maybe!!

  • Modavations

    President Obama is actively pressing Dems.to vote against the XL pipeline.Mr.Pres.there is two hundred years of product.Let us drill and finally End Those Endless Wars.By the way Cultist of Gaia,it’s organic

  • Bruce

    I think the GOP is in the grip of a conservative populism not unlike the “Know-Nothings” of the mid-nineteenth century, or Father Coughlin’s Union Party during the 1930’s.

    Echoes of those movements can be found in the present-day Tea Party with its indulgence of religious orthodoxy, national chauvinism, phobic racism, and the politics of fear and resentment.

    Whether it’s the Flat-Earthers (Santorum) employing a bogus faith and family values, or the Tenthers (Paul) using the pretext of limited government and the Tenth Amendment, or the Birthers engaging in sham militia-patriotism, the Tea Party-dominated GOP threatens nearly a century of progress securing women’s rights and reproductive freedom, gay rights and marriage equality, collective bargaining rights and civil rights as well as federal social insurance and safety-net programs.

    To the extent that the current incarnation of the GOP panders to its extremist Tea Party base, maybe the 2012 election will resemble the 1964 presidential race in which the right-wing zealots, who hijacked the Republican Party, lead the lemmings over the cliff…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZKVGHQ37XCJSMYIL6RNK76FAUI cravencorvid

      The GOP could go down like the Dems in 1972 when McGovern was nominated to run against Nixon…America doesn’t like extremists be they liberal or conservative.

    • Anonymous

      Brilliant, Bruce.

  • Modavations

    Lib mums tell their kids,don’t ever listen to Rush.He’s Medusa,you’ll turn to stone.As soon as Mum turns her back,the’re off to the garage with their Marlboros and portable radio

  • Modavations

    Pres.Obama says Americans are greedy.We’re two percent of the world’s population and we use 25% of the of the oil.Mr.Pres.we produce 25% of the goods produced on the planet.Furthermore we trade off between Switzerland, as the most effiecient 

  • Modavations

    Green Peace claims Apple I Cloud is Satan.It’s production depends on coal,which trashes Appalachia(?),which kills the birdies.Hey you Nerds,quit watching Star Wars on your I Clouds.As soon as you Gaiaist quit donating to Dem.your all through

  • Ndorf66

    Gregg…list of sponsors who have left him:

    AccuQuote Life Insurance, Allstate Insurance, American Heart
    Association, AOL, Aquarium of the Pacific, Bare Escentuals, Bethesda
    Sedation Dentistry, Bonobos, Capital One, Carbonite, Cascades Dental,
    Citrix, Consolidated Credit Counseling Services, Constant Contact,
    Cunningham Security, Freedom Debt Relief, Geico, Girl Scouts, Goodwill
    Industries, Hadeed Carpet, JCPenney, Legal Zoom, Matrix Direct, Netflix,
    New York Lottery, Norway Savings Bank, O’Reilly Auto Parts,
    Philadelphia Orchestra, PolyCom, Portland Ovations, ProFlowers, Quicken
    Loans, Regal Assets, Reputation Rhino, RSVP Discount Beverage, Sears,
    Sensa, Service Magic, Sleep Train, Sleep Number, St. Vincent’s Medical
    Center, Tax Resolution, Thompson Creek Windows, TurboTax and Vitacost.

    A bit more than 8.

    • Gregg

      Here’s the truth
      …if you’re interested.

      • Brett

        Which of the sponsors are lying? 

        • Gregg

          None, read it.

      • Modavations

        he’s not

    • Gregg

      I googled your list and it appears it came from Politico. Maybe not, but they did list them.

      http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73675.html

      Notice the headline and the wording of the first sentence. It doesn’t say anything about sponsors because none of the local advertisers pay rush. He didn’t loose a dime on them. The weren’t his “sponsors”. BTW the radio station don’t loose money either, they just move the ads out of the time slot. The only ones loosing money are the advertisers missing out on his millions of listeners. Rush will have no trouble replacing the 8 that left and is already halfway there.

    • Modavations

      By tomorrow they’ll be begging to be let back in.The tides already turned.Carbonite stock crashed.I will not buy any product from the companies that caved to the PC police.I never buy from any of the sponsors of NPR.I never buy products made by American Unions

    • Bruce

      Thank you for this public service announcement.  I am immediately copying and pasting the list to my refrigerator door.  As a happily married man (in case you’re a supporter of Newt the Nutty Professor, that means one who is in a committed, monogamous relationship with his wife and one who endorses same-marriage sex), I can now purchase a sleep number bed with a clear conscience.

      All these years I’ve been waiting for this sponsor to see the light and Flush Limbaugh down the drain.  Kudos to Sleep Number and all the others for taking a principled stand and choosing the high road while subterranean Limbaugh and his EIB (Excellence in Invective Broadcasting) apologists scurry for cover under the nearest rock.  

  • Guest

    Fluke claims to have conducted a survey, discovering that 40% of her felllow students “struggled financially” because of contraceptive costs averaging $1,000 a year during the three years required to complete law school. Fluke made these claims, it must be repeated, during a congressional hearing at which she was the only witness.

    Birth control pills can be purchased for as low as $9 per month at a pharmacy near Georgetown’s campus. According to an employee at the pharmacy in Washington, D.C.’s Target store, the pharmacy sells birth control pills — the generic versions of Ortho Tri-Cyclen and Ortho-Cyclen — for $9 per month. “That’s the price without insurance,” the Target employee said. Nine dollars is less than the price of two beers at a Georgetown bar.

    • Jboy12

      Thanks for pointing this out and out. Do note that this is “Washington” and reality has little to do with anything.

  • Guest

    While everyone is focused on Limbaugh’s alleged “misogyny,” however, it seems that we are ignoring much more important questions:
    How and when did Fluke conduct her survey of Georgetown Law students’ alleged struggles with contraceptive costs? How many students participated in this survey? What kind of questions were asked? Was the survey conducted with a statistically valid sample? Can Fluke describe her survey’s methodology and provide us with the original questionnaires?How did Fluke arrive at her $3,000 estimate of the cost of contraception? What types of contraceptives — condoms, diaphragms, pills, spermicidal foam — were included in these calculations?Was Fluke aware that a monthly supply of birth-control pills could be obtained for as little as $9 a month? Are Fluke’s math skills sufficient to multiply 9 x 12 x 3 and realize that a three-year supply of pills would therefore cost $324, which is 89.2% less than her $3,000 estimate?Is Fluke aware that annual full-time tuition at Georgetown Law School is $46,865, compared to which an annual cost of $108 for birth-control pills is what statisticians might call “a drop in the bucket”?

    • Steve

      you are really skilled at missing the point. congratulations!

      • Modavations

        I’ll translate.This is NPR you can’t say that

    • Sarah

      “alleged misogyny” is quite the laugh, but…

      are you aware that different birth control pills respond differently to different people’s bodies?  if a patient experiences a side effect in one drug, it’s important to try another. this is why there are numerous drug options on the market. a particular $9.00 birth control might not have the same outcome in one person that it does in another. also, I’m not sure where your $9.00 figure comes from either.
      what happened to physicians and patients making health decisions together? 

      • Gregg

        “what happened to physicians and patients making health decisions together?”

        Obamacare.

    • Modavations

      It was a hoax.That fruit cake Barry Lynn was supposed to speak.The panel was to be given 78 hrs notice,if a change in speakers was planned.They got Niente.When The Dem.Solonettes walked the day before,crying no women no justice,that was another set up.Two women were to speak later during the hearing.The Journalists were all planned and the outrage was,of course,feigned

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:

    If the Mayan predictions are correct extreme weather phenomenon will increase almost everyday before 12/21/12.

  • Cgrappo

    I listened to today’s broadcast and found it extremely interesting and reassuring to hear about Nancy’s book. I intend to buy it, read it, and give it to my daughter. But I was disheartened by Tom’s tendency to steer the conversation away from the science of the issue of ‘birth control’ whenever it was brought up, as in Michele’s call. She wanted to establish the too often missed point that those medications are not just about allowing women to have sex without becoming pregnant. I certainly don’t think that choice should be taken away from them, but this is really about WOMEN’S HEALTH, not women’s promiscuity! My daughter takes one to control acne. Her best friend has had it prescribed for extreme menstrual cramps. Another friend’s daughter gets it for mood swings that bring on debilitating anxiety attacks. These are, after all, hormonal drugs. If people would start talking about them as MEDICINE, instead of some sort of social drug, I believe the conversation will become more rational and relevant to the issue and to the healthcare issue. Let’s please try to frame this issue as a medical and quit emotionalizing it. That leads to nothing more than a stalemate and the real losers are low-income women who won’t be able to afford the healthcare they need and deserve to have access to. Let’s be clear – Obama isn’t saying Catholic hospitals are required to hand out free condoms, he is saying that they have to abide by labor law just like any other employer and are not in a position to make moral judgements that adversely affect the health of their employees.

  • Kat

    I was
    listening to your program what was disturbing to me for few reasons:

    1. America
    is not a globe. Cultural changes and politics of US influence world although in
    some ways and only for last few decades. There is a world, many people out of
    America who think and live different, who are attached to tradition, religions
    and values for generations.

    2. There
    is much more to women’s revolution than sex. There were wars, social movements
    and other big events that influence different role for women. Before pill was
    created Maria Curie-Sklodowska had 2 Novel Prizes. Way of thinking of your
    guest Nancy Kohen is ridiculous. (Again conclusions – should be limited to USA,
    not to the world that people here are mostly ignorant about.)

    3.
    Catholic or any other religions usually are based on values that protect humans,
    including against their own mistakes. If she states Catholics put woman below
    man she has no clue again. I offer to read “Love and Responsibility” of John
    Paul II. I am from Catholic country, many (now retired) woman had very
    influential positions, especially in science, many of them were my friend’s
    mothers. It happened before 60ties. Religion, being monogamous and having
    children did not stop them to pursue careers. I have been treated rarely as a
    woman with respect here in US. I wonder who to blame for it: men or women?

    4. Not to
    have sex around with different people is more about values, self-control and
    dignity. Existence of pill should not be misleading to believe that at this
    moment sexual freedom means no boundaries, no responsibilities and doesn’t hurt
    us. It does. It put normal people in emotional vain and allows treating other
    person as object of pleasure, not another human if love is not involved.

    Do you
    really want to put your believe in children’s minds? How will be new generation
    here? How many men do you want your daughter to have, how many women do you
    want to be used by your son before their wedding, and all their divorces?

     

    Sorry for any mistakes. English is only one of few languages I use.

    • kmm

      Very well communicated.  Thank you!

  • guest

    For argument’s sake, the left should embrace this issue in order to ask the following question: how, given the economic trends of the last three decades, are single-income families possible? The party of family values doesn’t value families, or they would be as concerned as the left with the ground American working class wages have lost to inflation and the outrageous income disparity resulting from the monopolization of growth by the top 1%. For the vast majority of Americans, given the cost of housing and health care, there is no alternative to two-income families. Unless conservatives start questioning the trends they’ve been the champions of this is the cheapest of political posturing.

  • Don

    Since the conservatives consider contraceptives a life style choice and should not be paid for then are they suggesting that drugs for overeating (diabetes), smoking and other “lifestyle” afflictions be withheld? Of course not, it’s just religious right gaming of the system as they see it.

  • Debbie

    All this controversy over out of wedlock sex. What about married couple that do not aspire to be the Duggars!
    It is not moral, responsible or economically feasible to have 10 or 15 children, and that means birth control within marriage!

    If Christian conservatives are so worried about thier kids having out of wedlock sex, what does that say about their ability to parent!

    • Anonymous

      Just remember the Red States have much higher teenage pregnancies than Blue states. Here is where the minimal non-intrusive government types have no problem with BIG intrusive government. They want the “government” to do what they don’t want or know how to do.

    • Gregg

      Who is talking about out of wedlock sex?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZKVGHQ37XCJSMYIL6RNK76FAUI cravencorvid

    I’m glad some conservative women called voicing their opinions; that shows there is an opportunity for women to discuss this issue.  As an Independent I must say the Limbaugh attack has pushed my vote to the left.  I read Ms Fluke’s testimony concerning birth control for women with cancer and other hormonal difficulties.  As a cancer survivor and having two ectopic pregnancies I see the need for birth control for medical reasons.  If teenagers use birth control I find that a parental problem.  As a teacher I would ask why a young woman needs to have sex?  Does she feel having sex is the only method to form attachment and love?  I big sister and volunteer for at risk youth and find a desperate need for Christian women to reach out to children who are vulnerable instead of persecuting them.  I also find bearing false witness against Ms Fluke a sin and the good intentions do not discount the destruction the “Christian Right” has perpetrated and continues against this woman…I want nothing to do with a religion who does not understand it is wrong to lie, defame and destroy a person just because you don’t agree with them.  If the issue is responsibility then do what I have done: form your own business and pay for health insurance of your choice.  Before that I contracted and was offered no health insurance; if you own a business and don’t want to pay health insurance have all your employees under contractual agreement stating they are responsible to pay their own insurance, unemployment and Social Security; the tax system allows for this.  In the mean tiome: SHUT UP!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_67MZCOUXFSLOM257CRHBKW4AL4 wareinparis

    Until the women of this country come together and demand that Viagra not be paid for by group health insurance, I don’t want to hear that we can’t have birth control paid for by group health insurance.

    While Viagra is really only intended to help men who want to engage in sex and are not able to without it, birth control is not merely to enable women to have sex. It is a matter of health, economy, and the welfare of the children we do have.

    All you paternalistic types who want to hide behind your alleged religion make me sick! I’d really love to see one of you pregnant, once. There would be no further discussion of the importance of birth control.

    Now, can we please talk about something else. Maybe the economy, or perhaps the environment, or educating our children, or finding a realistic route to getting along better with the rest of the world….

    • Willaim

      There should be no mandates on what insurance should cover and let everyone make up their own minds on what type of coverage they desire.

      • Ihsrc

         Let “everyone” make up their own minds on what type of coverage they desire? I agree. So if I work at a Catholic hospital and I want contraception, then I should get it. That is the coverage I want, right?

        • Modavations

          Negative.We have a law called the Conscience Clause

      • Modavations

        How about a la carte insurance,where you pick what you want covered

      • Gregg

        That makes too much sense.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe each man who fathers a child should have his right wrist chained to within 6 inches of his left ankle from conception to birth. No disconnection under penalty of losing those six inches.

      • Modavations

        I remember the old Cheech and Chong skit…..Bailiff,whack his pee pee

  • Modavations

    Howie Carr’s poll question today is should we build the XL Pipeline.93% say si senor

    • Modavations

      Pres.Obama is going on and on about the Reps.wanting to build the XL Pipeline.He calls it cheap election year politics.When the Pres.was a senator he was railing against Pres.Bush and his 4.00gallon gas.Basically check Pres.Obama on any subject when he was Senator.He’s flipped on absolutely everything.He says XL won’t lead to lower oil prices,as it will take awhile to get up and running.Sen.Kerry said this same thing about Anwar.It will be 10 years.Sen.Kerry it’s now been 10 years.If the Pres.said it’s time to drill,oil would collapse immediately.No drilling needed.Just psychology.If he said I’m going to balance the budget,the price of bullion would collapse

      • Anonymous

        The wells being pumped in North Dakota have the output similar to Anwar and what price reduction do you see? Thanks to cheap natural gas (fracking) distilling gasoline from oil is cheapest here in the U.S. and with lower demand and increased cheap supply, gasoline should be cheaper, but it is being EXPORTED, EXPORTED, EXPORTED, just like good capitalist companies should. How do you think the U.S. achieved NET EXPORT GAIN last year? Oh, you were looking for a cheap comment to advance your false ideology, rather than thinking. Or maybe you did not want to call attention to that side of the picture.

        • Modavations

          Pour more oil into the market then there is demand and prices drop.They don’t teach much at Patrice Labumba University,do they?

      • Fredlinskip

         Off-topic.
        The number of drilling rigs in U.S. oil fields has quadrupled under Obama and domestic oil production hit 8-year high in 2011. I guess this means oil cos now have more oil to ship overseas to create the shortages necessary for their astronomical profits here at home.
        But how’s about we show respect for today’s topic, Aye?

        • Modavations

          Took me two secs to come up with JFK.Now riddle me this.What was his rational for lowering rates.I’m with Buffet,everyone should pay 18%.Seriously Fred,google some of JFK’s speeches.He was good.Now further riddle me this,why was FDR against Public Unions.The oil is on private lands,out of his perview.If the Pres.could he’d close those wells also.
             Kid you need help.I pay 107.00 a barrel in Cairo,$107.00 a barrel in Toronto,$107.00 a barrel in Lisbon and $107.00 a barrel on Mars.
                 Speaking of oil.Joe Kennedy pays himself 750,000.00 per annum and his wife 260,000.00,dealing Hugos Blood Oil.I love those non profits.
               In Mexico we’re Tocayos.Same first names.

          • Fredlinskip

             I just got done cussing you out for not respecting women’s issues by being off topic a second ago up top so it would be hypocritical at this point for me to reply. (Why couldn’t it have waited until tomorrow?)
             Here goes anyhow.

            Riddle me this.
            If our nation’s goal is energy independence isn’t it counter-intuitive to be shipping our oil overseas? If it’s all about profits of global corps how can we ever achieve “independence”?

            (I’ll take my answer “off the air” or tomorrow, thank you)

          • Modavations

            What a dodge,.Rush would demand an answer.What a dodge

          • Fredlinskip

             Rush is goofier than a “blind man shootin’ pool”.

          • Gregg
          • Modavations

            Oil goes into a giant oil pot,then you Pay 107.00 per barrel.I pay 107.00 a barrel in Lisbon,in Cairo,in Rejavik,in Paris.I pay 1650.00Oz  for gold in Dubai,in London,in Sydney.I pay 36.00 an ounce for silver on Saturn,on Alpha Centauri,on…..Now why did FDR shun the Public Unions.Rush told me to ask you

        • Gregg

          You really need better news sources. What was the mantra from the left during the “Drill here, drill now” days? It was even if we do it will take years for it to come online to make a difference. Everybody said it. You can thank Bush. Obama is playing you with the help of the media. 

          Mary Landreiu (Democrat, LA) summed it up well:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpUzcOOfxo4

          Please don’t be a mouthpiece for propaganda.

          • Gregg
          • Fredlinskip

             All right Gregg – you might make a good point.
            After I just got through making a “holier-than- though” comment to Moda above about being off-topic; unless we can figure how to tie sexual counter-revolution with oil-drilling, I need to wait at least til tomorrow to discuss further. 

            Keep singing them revolutionary 70′s songs, willa?
             

          • Gregg

            Drill baby drill! There, back on topic.

        • Modavations

          This is what Rush talks about all day everyday.Oil companies hold 2-3% profit and pay kazillions in tax.Contary to what Kos tells you in your morning talking points ,they don’t get special treatment.All manafacturers get the same breaks.

    • Ctwood2

      Do the “poll takers” have the Carr-listening Neanderthals push buttons or just raise their hands?

      Surprised that the yeas were so small. Couldn’t Hardboiled Howie get his version of Dittosheads to come through at 100%? He’s obviously losing his Svengali touch over his Teabagger Troops. 

  • md

    I appreciate hearing this discussion on International Women’s Day.

    But again, a call for context.

    In closing it was said we’re seeing a pendulum swing from “liberal” to “conservative” notions of sexuality.  60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, the clock ticks, the discussion sways.  

    Nothing could be more misleading.  In fact, we are experiencing a slow dawning from the timeless oppression of women: Women as property and commodities, women without legal or civil rights, women without say in who have they sex with, or marry, or whether to procreate.  

    Only during first wave feminism in the U.S. did women gain rights to their own children.  Only during second wave feminism could a woman claim to be raped by her husband.  

    Slow progress.  As with all movements, tremendous outrage, blathering, and fear the oppressed population is getting “out of control.”  

    So with Limabugh’s comments.  Not a “wrong word.”  In fact quite familiar words: Women who stand up for themselves are unfeminine, uncouth.  Women’s sexuality is a wild, frightening thing–a threat to men, to order, and now to the state.  Intimidate your female opponent by sexual intimidation: We will watch you, we will fantasize over you, we will awaken your primal fears.  

    Ignorance of black history, ignorance of American Indian history, ignorance of women’s history.  

    National airwaves exist for the people.  We want to hear our story.  We want to hear our story, and not just analysis of the latest misogynist rant as if rose from a void, from a history-less people, from some alien environment rather than the one we exist in every day.  

    NPR, tell us our story.

  • Modavations

    Carbonite lost 12%.The Lefts reign of terror is over

  • Josh

    Michelle, the forthright ol’ gal from South Carolina made an amazing comment, and powerful: “Yeah, He must be kidding. I’m single and divorced, and I enjoy sex as much as a married person!” An implicit rebuke to those who want the world to except their biblically-oriented rules about sexuality.

  • Jamielo23

    Is it only me or are there others concerned with the comments made in regard to internet porn and how this courageous young woman should post to this? How many of his listeners had children in the room when he made these comments? What did they tell their children when asked what “he” was talking about? Do all of his 20 or so million followers think internet porn is OK?? Who are these people? Why do they listen to his show? I am a mom of 4 and would never subject my children to this type of hostility or language. Who and what are you people who listen to him??? Please answer!

    • Survivor

      Yes! What I think, grumpy old men usually die soon. He obviously does not feel well; just look at the way he treats himself. Cannot love/respect others if you do not feel it for yourself!

      Everyone, a prayer for Rush, divine guidance, love, self-acceptance, etc. Load it up!
      All the good things you can think of: rainbows, butterflies, puppy kisses, a baby’s smile.

      Love to you all.
      (We all need forgiveness, probably more than we realize)

  • Diogo

    I’am a current undergraduate in a online university from Brazil. It is called Unversidade Catolica de Brasilia (or UCB Virtual). In the beginning of each semester, there is a lecture about a current issue. This semester was about Power, Being and Common Good.
    The Professor who was giving this lecture said Power and Being is a part of Common Good. Fine…
    and than… He said that we will never achieve common good because the women today only breast feed their children until they are 6 months old! And when they stop breastfeeding them, they get this trauma that will be carried until they grow as a selfish being!!!
    I understand that it is a Catholic institution, But they minimize the female figure, control their sex, accuse them for the original sin, now the weight of our social problems is their fault too?!
    Shame!

  • DR

    Ms. Cohen’s comment on the show today regarding “God-ordained” marriage is mis-informed.   Presuming we are talking about the Bible (both Old and New Testaments) as the standard for what God has ordained, in no way does the Bible suggest God-ordained marriage is about “men ruling over their wives” as Ms. Cohen put it.  The Bible, understood in context, has instead freed women from centuries of tradition of complete subservience to patriarchal systems, such as Muslims and other cultures in the world still practice.  While the Bible does promote family roles appropriate to each gender, their natural physical and psychological makeup, it is far from the truth to suggest it promotes men “ruling” over women.  On the contrary, it commands men to love their wives to the point of extreme personal sacrifice, even being willing to die for them. Admittedly, certain passages have been used out of context by many to promote subservience of women, to support a cultural bias, but anyone who reads the Bible thoroughly understands that its central idea is about the Freedom that can be had in knowing Jesus Christ, not some God-directed, mandated subservience to other people. 

    • Josh

      Natural psychological make-up?

  • Modavations

    Oh well,XL went down again.I guess the Endless Wars will continue endlessly.Rep.Shatowsky says 20,000 high paying jobs isn’t a big deal,anyways

    • Fredlinskip

      Today you’ve shown that you have little respect for Women’s issues.
      A couple of days ago you showed you had no respect for civil rights issues.
      Is it simply that you have no respect for NPR and it’s listening audience?
      Why are you here day after day with off-topic often incendiary comments? And then are surprised when someone takes offense.
      Is your purpose simply to disrupt constructive conversation?
      Why not get on a conservative blog?
      Then when you make claims about how similar Obama is to Pol Pot, you might find some agreement.

      • Modavations

        Because I am a cheerleader for Laissez faire,who does not like what the Welfare State has done to the Black family.I am a citizen who financially contributes to NPR,You should see what happens when I donate and I refuse to give my name and address.I laugh when they offer me  a freebie.My charities come without strings.They always have to call the boss.Philosophically I’ve already got half you turnips turned around,or at least scratching your domes.Now riddle me this,Why did FDR say no Public Unions

        • Anonymous

          Not really. You are a legend in your own mind.

          • Fredlinskip

            I am REALLY hoping I didn’t start another knock down dragout  between y’all and Moda here.

            Because if I did, I would REALLY feel like a hypocrite.

          • Ray in VT

            Well, we can currently put up a sign for 10 hours without a major scuffle on here.  That’s better than some days.

          • Anonymous

            No, but sometimes one can’t resist, the chap leaves the door wide open.

             

        • Fredlinskip

           All righty then.
           I already feel hypocritical for bringing it up.
          Please don’t notify my employer I should have been doing paperwork today but was online making stupid comments.
          Get a good night’s sleep willa?

          And hey that’s great your an NPR contributer!!
          Woo-hoo!

        • Roy Mac

          Get 2 corks; one for the bottle, one for your mouth.  Take your meds, then come back when you can actually participate in a conversation.

    • Gregg

      It’s almost criminal as bad as we are hurting. 7 or 8 Democrats sided with Republicans.

  • Roy Mac

    The “moral ecology of the country?”  What in hell does THAT mean?  This crack-pot Sanctimonium can’t even string 3 words together and he wants to be president??

    • bellavida

      One would think a former senator with a law degree would have some semblance of eloquence when he speaks but he proven the opposite so far.

  • Dee

    I would like to know if men’s erectile dysfunction pills (Viagra, etc.) are paid for by health insurance coverage.

  • Alpaca Mama

    The issue regarding insurance coverage for birth control is about a doctor having the ability to provide appropriate care as he/she deems necessary for the patient. I don’t see how the “moral” position of the employer should have any ability to regulate the care provided by a physician.

  • Wendy

    If we’re going to discuss whether or not it is reasonable for insurance to cover birth control – why are we not also discussing whether or not insurance should pay for Viagra.  If you are one who believes insurance should not “pay for people to have sex” then shouldn’t Viagra come under the same argument?

    • Survivor

      Off-label use of Viagra, it is given to infants with heart problems. I saw that on the news about a year ago.

    • Anonymous

      No, Viagra is different. It is used only within marriage by older gentlemen to strengthen holy matrimonial relations with their wives. Elderly priests would never use it to rape boys and right wing radio show hosts visiting the Dominican Republic would never use it for sex tourism.

  • RedStateLiberal

    Why don’t these “Christian” women and the clueless men they marry realize that nobody is asking “government” (taxpayers) to pay for contreception? This is their own insurance programs that they are insisting pay for contraception just like other prescribed meds (like viagra for instance). Whether it’s for a medical problem they have, for family planning or if they simply enjoy sex like most of us do, it’s nobody’s business. Not Rush Limberbaugh, not Rick Santorum. This is part of a medical insurance plan, not some government handout. Get a clue.

    • Gregg

      It’s about forcing a jesuit school to go against their beliefs. Don’t you believe in separation of church and state?

      • Survivor

        Are you sure there is NO SEX in the priesthood? The Daily Show (Jon Stewart) did a segment about how the church approved Viagra for priests.

        And what was all that hoopla about a few years ago with “victims” coming forward after decades of silence?

        Separation of church and state doesn’t necessarily mean separation of respecting individual rights, right?

        Free will? Is it the belief that someone will have the insight and wisdom to make the most loving decision when it matters?

         

      • Anonymous

        Quakers have to pay taxes to support invading foreign countries in Republican wars of choice. Racist business owners, despite Rand Paul’s denigration of civil rights law, may not discriminate. Church employees can be denied full modern healthcare, but in larger institutions which serve the larger community, such discrimination is not allowed. Cry me a river…

        • Gregg

          Wars are covered in the Constitution, contraception is not.

          • Anonymous

            If the topic is moral objection vs. societal policy, it is a relevant analogy. The government has the right to regulate insurance and ensure equal protection.

  • Johnson Robin

    I’d like to know why Tom Ashbrook didn’t challenge the republican woman caller. She completely sidestepped the question of women (like myself) who need contraception for medical reasons.  She just said, “this is about paying people to have sex” and they left it at that.

    • bellavida

      I totally agree…..I also have a medical condition that requires the use of birth control, in order to preserve my fertility..how ironic is that.  I am sick and tired of the people on the right sidestepping this as well.  

    • TFRX

      What you’re describing should have been background information. “Public radio polite” I appreciate until it becomes public radio fail.

  • http://twitter.com/TongoRad TongoRad

    Besides congenital disorders, aren’t all medical conditions acquired/behavior-based? 

    If so, why are so-called limited government, personal accountability folks obsessed only with contraception, and not say, diabetes, heart disease or lung cancer due to smoking?

  • Gregg

    Obama flushes the Bill of Rights down the toilet and brilliantly makes people think there is a war on women and contraception. It’s totally fabricated

    • Sandy

      Actually, there is not Bill of Rights issue or separation of church and state issue in health issuance as individuals pay for the insurance, not the company.  If you have a company paying for your insurance, you get a nice perk.  Whether a woman gets birth control or not should be an issue between her and her doctor…no one else.

      • Gregg

        “Whether a woman gets birth control or not should be an issue between her and her doctor…no one else.”

        I agree with that statement 100%. Absolutely! Bingo. Love it. Let me reiterate, I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Jesuit schools should not be forced by government under penalty of law to provide (pay for) anything that conflicts with their beliefs. A “perk” is not a right. To do so is a violation of the Bill of Rights.

        • Anonymous

          How is it a violation of the Bill of Rights?
          Which one in particular.

          • Gregg

            #1

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
            or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

            Obamacare (a law) by forcing Georgetown to provide (pay for) insurance that covers something contrary to their beliefs IS PROHIBITING their ability to exercise of their religion. How is it not?

          • Gregg

            BTW, thanks for asking as it gives me the opportunity to confirm this isn’t about some imaginary war on women or contraception. Far far from it.

  • Sy2502

    I come from Italy, the very definition of Catholic country, we have the Vatican right in our capital, and yet not even in Italy birth control has every been an issue. If a politician in Italy tried to make limiting access to birth control part of his campaign, he’d be laughed all the way to the door. There’s religiousness and there’s idiocy. In the 21st century still debating on the merits of birth control falls square in the camp of idiocy. 

  • http://twitter.com/TongoRad TongoRad

    Interesting that you often hear about government over-reach but never market over-reach.

    The framing of this contrived controversy is intended to obscure the real intent: complete domination and control of every aspect of workers lives. 

    Healthcare as a human right, instead of a prize fought over in the marketplace.

  • Mitchell

    No great mystery as to why Limbaugh said what he did. Why the outcry all of a sudden when he’s been saying mindless, hateful garbage his entire career? The real controversy should be why someone like him can have such a huge platform in the American media. It speaks volumes about the embarrassingly low level of American culture.

  • James Adams

    I’m a Christian “fundamentalist” (that is, I believe what Jesus taught and who He is) from the Great State of MN, and I would like to say, as an American, that I think that we are all entitled to Liberty.  That means that someone with whom I may not see eye to eye wants to use contraception, then so be it.  That is his/her choice.  But there’s nothing wrong with protecting and promoting the family and sexual wellness according to Christian teachings either.

    • Gregg

      Most people who have that view of Rush have never listened. Have you?

    • Mark

      . . . and precisely what are Jesus’ teachings about birth control?  What did he teach women about managing their own affairs?  I do not mind that you might practice your “wellness” as a family affair.  I do not want you to legislate it.  That is not freedom.  The word for it is tyranny.
       

  • Lexa

    we must,however, be aware that not all young women have benefitted from the “sexual revolution”. STD are rampant, many younger girls are being pressured into sexual relationships far earlier than is prudent without having developed the skills to stand up for themselves. Serial casual sexual encounters can cause great psychic damage, and endanger the possibility for forming appropriate bonds, later in life. I am not politically conservative,  yet also feel we must address the needs of young girls who are STILL very confused as to how to handle the so called, sexual revolution.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t just about young girls.  Boys are involved.  The education should be for everyone.

  • Sarahsamplelebebrell

    As one of the religious left, who is ‘pro-religion, pro-family, and pro-choice,’ I find science perfectly compatable with religion.  Our church accepts preople of all races, sexual preferences, ages, and (drum roll please) political parties (perhaps the hardest of all)!  It’s time that the religious left got a backbone and spoke up. 

    • TFRX

      Good for you. But I don’t know that the mainstream press wants religious lefties on the air.

      If you do, be prepared to be described as some strange freak of nature, like that water-skiing squirrel or skateboarding dog. The media is not yet ready to take you into their narrative. (But keep being on the side of spirituality with science nonetheless.)

  • Jae

    If we must make people pay for contraceptives because sex is a choice — not a necessity, we might as well make people pay for their own treatment of diseases that arise from irresponsible and unnecessary behavior such as over consumption of sugary drinks, cigarettes, and a host of other things.

    • Survivor

      Is anyone concerned that many of the items that are marketed to us are really designed to cause us harm?

      From food products to prescription drugs, cleansers, personal products, even those freaky food colorings; it seems like the company moral code is “For the Common Profit.” I know there are some who are trying to make a difference, but every label I read has some health-adverse product in it. I am not even sure if my vegetables are Franken-foods designed by lab-techs.

      Personally, I think the reason people really eat SO much is because they are actually starving; they keep gnawing on toxins and starving. (See The Ph Miracle Diet)

  • Gmigeon

    A few corrections to Mrs. Cohen descriptions of the called “counter-revolution”, which is as she said, aiming at defending stronger families:
    - sex is both designed to build the relationship between a husband and a wife in a mutual respect and complete giving of self, as well as to pro-create. Babies are the fruit of  this loving relationship.
    - while yes we view the primary vocation of a married woman is to be a wife and a mother, the primary vocation of a man is to be a husband and a father. This doesn’t exclude the possibility for both to have fruitful professional lives. Many conservative women with children are also successful professionals. 

    The liberation that Mrs Cohen is describing have shown their fruits in today’s society through the divorce rate, the increase of single mothers, who is a huge driver of poverty among women. 

  • Anonymous

    Unbelievable.  Where are the men?

    • Bozthx

      Right here, carrying a flag. “Get out of my bedroom”.

  • Diann

    I am an educator working with high poverty, primarily Catholic students and their families.  One of the things that must be considered in this debate is the abuse my female students and their mothers take from husbands and boyfriends when they try to avoid sex.  For the poor, most of whom do NOT have health care though they work fulltime (companies find many ways to avoid this), lack of affordable, reliable birth control means a life almost literally barefoot and pregnant.  Do we really want to increase the poorest class of Americans? 

  • Anonymous

    Hold it up Limbaugh’s comments are unacceptable by any standard but they’re more reflect of radio culture than they are conservative culture. There’s talk show hosts across the political spectrum or who are apolitical that take these sort of cheap shots at woman and try to be incendiary generally. Any conversation about how women are treated on the radio is a joke without mentioning the very left wing howard stern.    

    • TFRX

      Very left wing?

      Chris Dodd and Molly Ivins were on Imus, IIRC. Is he “left wing” too?

      Limbaugh is a kingmaker. He got a trophy from the GOP class of 1994. He’s no more a detached bystander than Johnny Most was while calling Celtics games.

      • Anonymous

        1. Yes, I realize his program isn’t purely political but Howard Stern did say at one point that republicans just want to kill gay people. So, yes he his very liberal and would probably agree with the characterization. 

        2. There can be reasonable varying opinion about Limbuagh’s influence but that doesn’t speak to whether his comments about Fluke are more reflective of radio culture or conservative culture. Given the pervasive sexism in radio across the political spectrum I would have a hard time attributing Limbaugh’s comments to any ideology and give more credit to an industry that views degrading women as a legitimate and worthwhile business practice. 

  • Anonymous

    Rush got a lot of press today.  I don’t want to understand him in relation to some backlash to feminism.  I understand him as a bully.  Apparently, enough people listen to his show that it empowers him.  Same with Stern.  Bad behavior all around.  Why give them more attention?

    • mm

      He is being a tool of discussion. Someone made a great comment here yesterday about him being used to us feminists benefit!    He is a tool. And-he is bringing forth a discussion that may catapult the insurance issue of giving us women a chance to say “yo, big insurance companies-who is a billion dollar a year industry–we want this covered–and this covered–and this AT LEAST OFFERED–and this–my husbands’ vas deferns CUT–and—because it would be cheaper for you-please cover my contraception.  oh, wait, you already cover the vas deferns being cut?  well, he is too afraid of a knife down there–why dont you just let me get contraception?”  denied.  no logic.   soooo-none of us out there has had this conversation?   wow. 

  • Melvina2

    Considering that many states have had laws requiring employers to include contraception in the health insurance for their employees, including religion based employers, it’s obvious that making a big deal of it now is purely political.

  • Melvina

    Trying to pass laws based on any religious belief is infringing on the rights of others who don’t have the same beliefs.  If families and churches can’t instill their religious values in their children, they shouldn’t expect government to do it for them.

    • Ray in VT

      There is a quote that I’ve often heard attributed to Jefferson that goes something to the affect of “if the Almighty himself cannot compel belief, then surely it is folly for man to try”.  Whether or not TJ said it, it’s good advice.  Can anyone confirm that origin of that one?

  • Bikewer

    I see Santorum is all down with biblical literalism….When do we start stoning our disobedient children and executing those awful folks who wear mixed fabrics?

    • Ray in VT

      There’s some pretty interesting stuff there in Leviticus.  I think that the latter one at least comes from there.

    • Bozthx

      Don’t forget cutting off the hand of a woman who interfers in a argument btwn men..It’s in there..

    • Gregg

       You know, Santorum is nothing to fear. We’ll be fine.

    • Anonymous

      The shellfish industry might be worried too.

  • tunnelman

    Contrary to what Mary Kate said, this issue never had a chance of giving the Republicans any kind of advantage. Just because you have a few Catholic Bishops showing up on Fox and comparing the measure to Nazi tactics, does not make this issue relevant in the slightest. From the beginning President Obama knew exactly how to play it: going slightly beyond stated goals — then pulling back and “compromising” his way to the perfect position. It’s sort of like great boxing strategy: he wears out the Republicans by seemingly opening himself up for a clear shot, only to pull back — allowing the conservatives and libertarians to over extend themselves.
    Obama is savvy… we have to give him credit for forcing the Republican’s hand on a completely dead issue….

  • Lefty2302

    We leftists have to stop trying to being so nice to the right wingers.  time to fight back hard.  Dont go to a gunfight armed with a knife, much less boxing gloves fighting the thugs of the right by the marquess of queensbury rules.

    • Anonymous

      The thing is if you do fight back with the same kind of language you will be accused of being a “mean spirited”
      and called all sorts of names, such as socialist, communist and fascist. They will whine on forever, witness recent comments on this forum, and in the long run I have better things to do than argue with people who think the President Obama controls Media Matters.

      • TFRX

        In our mainstream media there’s an angstrom’s width of acceptable conduct for liberals. And if you think its’ not easy for you or me, imagine being a biracial Democrat in the White House.

  • Brooke

    At the beginning of this show I heard Ms. Cohen say that before birth control, women were married at 18 and 4% went to college, but after the creation of birth control, women went to college and were able to pursue careers.  First, although these may have occurred at the same time, that does not prove causality.  This is clearly a logical fallicy.  Second, this argument implies that because women were able to have sex without consequences, they could now proceed to be educated and enter the workforce.  What, were we sleeping our way up the corporate ladder (since there was no longer the risk of children)?  I am apalled.

    • Anonymous

      Apart from your judgmental attempt to impose morality, the de facto reality is that without contraception, there will be more unwanted, unwed, too early pregnancy. Period. Society benefits from the greater education of women, facilitated by greater freedom from unwanted pregnancy. Who are we to tell any woman that she should bear the burden of my, your, or anyone else’s but her own decisions?

    • Anonymous

      Actually, it isn’t a logical fallacy – it’s a well accepted fact.  My grandmother had 10 kids. It’s pretty darn difficult to have an outside career with 10 kids.

      How is being able to plan your family size the same as having sex without consequences?  Having sex is an expected part of marriage.  Do you seriously think wives like me should be abstinent?  I think this is actually grounds for divorce.

      In this day and age, having 10 kids shouldn’t be something that you have no choice about. 

      Being able to limit your family size does not imply sleeping your way up the corporate ladder.  What an awful implication. 

  • Orcnelf

    Happened to catch the caller who spoke of having her Masters and getting a PhD who didn’t like the “feminist agenda,” and who felt that if women are going to be sexually active, they should be willing to pay for contraception.  This caller clearly did not get it.  First, but for the feminist movement, she would be highly unlikely to have gotten either degree.  Second, why on earth is responsibility for contraception placed entirely on women?  It does take two to conceive, after all.

    I’ve got an idea.  We can eliminate the need for contraceptives–or, rather, for the use of such chemicals for the purpose of birth control, since they have other uses, as well–by making it mandatory that all males get a vasectomy when they hit puberty.  Oh, and they should have to pay for the procedure out of pocket.  Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?  (Of course, it may be against their religion, but it’s fine with  mine, so that shouldn’t matter.  Right?)

  • Ctwood2

    Fer a public school edjikated man, Santorum sur did come up wit a hum dinger wit dat term “Moral Ecology”? He musta found dat in his “home study” curriculum texts directin’ him to trow some cut outs of edjakated words into a hat and pull out a couple fer his political phrasiology.

    • Gregg

       Don’t misunderestimate him.

      • Anonymous

        That’s what is so scary about that zealot.

  • Laura

    I appreciated the discussion about birth control on the show.  Most people seem to classify the decision to use birth control as a medical necessity or for sexual freedom.  As a birth control user, I do not fall into either of these classifications. 

    I have decided never to have children.  There are many reasons that I made this decision, but one of the largest is that I have a disease which is heriditary.  I am the third generation of women in my family which have been affected.  I decided that I would stop that cycle.

    I wish there was more discussion about the right of a woman or a family to choose if they will bring children into the world.

    • nk4960

      I was prescribed birth control to stop severe menstrual bleeding that was an acute health risk – a medically necessary case. Whether I was sexually active or not, married, single, etc. was never an issue. I would be very concerned if the motivations of women like Laura to use birth control were called into question since they are so obviously based on medical realities beyond her control. The nuances of who uses birth control and why need to be acknowledged and respected. 

  • Survivor

    As a survivor of molestation from a neighborhood predator (ex-military, large anchor on his forearm) at the tender age of 7, I know many of the ways that men use to control and manipulate women.
    Luckily, I was not impregnated. There are many young fatherless females who fall into desire to please men, to feel wanted, loved, etc. Unfortunately some of these women are ignorant of the consequences of sex as well.
    Babies are cute, but if you have a new crop of babies every semester by people who are incapable of caring for those babies or themselves, this becomes a social issue where there are issues of neglect, abuse, death.
    Secondarily, there are married families who do not wish to expand. [Remember China imposed a one-child policy primarily because they were attempting to reduce famine in their population, and yet they are still 1 billion-plus people].
    Lastly some sexual products are used for medical purposes which you can research on your own.

    ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU CONSIDER A LONG POINT OF VIEW.
    Personally I AM celibate, but believe me, there are plenty of men who want intercourse with me. Yes, it makes me uncomfortable, but I can defend myself now.
    *[If you need it, a nurse performed an "Indian sun-burn" on a man's penis who was attempting to rape her.]

  • Bozthx

    Mary Kate Cary must be a transvestite, no real woman would be that far out of touch with women.

    • TFRX

      I don’t give a toss for her limited viewpoint and inability to think about women who don’t have the resources and choices she enjoys, but: Not cool.

      (I don’t know much of Cary’s writing, but if she’s been confronting and lying about the transgendered, I haven’t heard.)

  • esthermiriam

    The contraceptive inclusion in insurance coverage was based on medical consensus on necessary preventive measures — science, not politics – until those opposed found it something they thought they could take advantage of. Not different from all the efforts on the state level to reduce medical benefits for low-income women.
    How is it they don’t want to get it that contraception is cheaper than pregnancy?

  • Jessie

    I have a hard time thinking this whole thing is about sex or religious values. If it was about sex, then we would be talking about not funding Viagra as well.  If it were about family values then we would be talking about funding for adoption or infertility treatments.  I think we all have an underlying deeper issue that is the constant in this debate: that a women’s value is inextricably linked to her ability/choice to have a family.  Those women who have chosen a career over family at the present stage in their life feel judged by those who have chosen to have a family.  Those who have chosen to have a family feel judge by women who have chosen to have a career.  Whether or not that judgement is as real and severe as it is felt would be a great topic of conversation.

    I have been married 9 years and am unable to have children.  i am a Christian minister and work in a job that does not provide enough financially for me to adopt.  I also live in a state that has one of the least access to health care and I am needing birth control for medical reasons.  I do not have reasonable access to either the ability to have a family or the prescription to treat worsening menstrual symptoms.  

    What I do know is that I often feel like my value and what I have to offer the world as a women centers on my choice/ability to be a mother.  I think if we women can recognize that deeper commitment (which I think is the underlying reason for the sexual counterrevolution), then we could have a more enlightened and liberating discussion.  

    • Survivor

      Ms. Jessie, please consider looking up Fertility Diet on Amazon, many suggest removing soy products to increase fertility. It can be a problem to your thyroid as well (I have heard) Also I understand that bread is now made with bromine which supposedly blocks iodine uptake by your thyroid too.
      Years ago my chiropractor suggested I NOT EAT :chocolate, caffeine, alcohol, sugar and salt at least 10 days before period to reduce PMS symptoms.(It worked fairly well, when I remembered, and so did the acupressure) Adding more green foods like broccoli will reduce body acidity according to Dr. Robert Young, which means less inflammation. Good researching to you.

  • Memebaker

    quite a few folks said things like: “Liberals want to force us to pay for everything they deem important . . ” Is that what all of this is really about?

  • Memebaker

    Do you feel as if you’re being forced to pay for other people’s degenerate choices? [birth control, abortion, etc.] Who do you think pays for my health benefits? Not you and not the government, except insofar as the government offers incentives, including significant tax breaks, to my employer for paying a part of my health insurance. Maybe you already know the answer to this question, but are employers required to offer healthcare? NO. But, if they do decide to offer health coverage, then they must comply with certain rules, including what constitutes basic coverage. For instance, what an employer offers to a full-time person has to be comparable to what is offered others, without prejudice. Now, some people, including me, would just as soon get more money in their pay check rather than get plugged into some awful health insurance plan, but either way, it’s the employees who are paying for the coverage – through our labor and cash matches. It is not YOU who is on the hook, not Obama et al, and certainly not the insurance companies, who make lots of money from all this. But maybe your underlying concern is whether religiously-based institutions, like schools and hospitals, should be MADE to provide health coverage for medicines and treatments that they don’t approve of.  Personally,  I think the answer should be NO. Employers should not be compelled to offer coverage that runs counter to their tenets, coverage that might corrupt their employees. Heaven forbid! No indeed. Instead, let them increase their employees’ pay checks so that each can afford their own coverage, so each can choose options that accord with their own beliefs. In fact, many employers do just that. So, what’s the deal? Problem is, many faith-based institutions don’t want to give up providing health insurance because of the benefits that inure to them in the process. (Many are self-insured and make profits accordingly.) Instead, these institutions want to pick and chose on BEHALF of those who do their work And just who is forcing whom to accept their values in such a set-up? 

    • Survivor

      Separation of church and state doesn’t necessarily mean separation of respecting individual rights, right?

      Free will? Is it the belief that someone will have the insight and wisdom to make the most loving decision when it matters?
       

  • Jdjbjbps

    Happened to be listening and wanted to say to the lady on air that was saying that birth control is good for society that she is actually saying that the pill replaces moral responsibility.  The man who was talking about sex in the confines of marriage made a very good point.  It is not whether or not one wants to have sex but making others pay for it is the rub.  If one pays for insurance and the insurance covers those prescriptions then no problem.  It is when those of us who have little to begin with and elders trying to live on social security are being told that these things have to be paid for by taxpayer dollars that the objection comes into play and that is not necessarily due to religion.  The lady makes it sound like the pill is necessary to protect society from itself which is a cop out for personal moral responsibility for one own choices.

    • Anonymous

      You are barking up the wrong tree if you think that high insurance costs have a da*# thing to do with birth control instead of high insurer, provider, and drug company profits. Contraception saves money.

    • Survivor

      Did you ever consider how clean the water supply would be if women were not having monthly menses?*

      There are other women I have known who seem to bleed almost continually except for a few “spotty” days a month. I am very sure men were the first to want to control a woman’s menses; it’s called a HYSTER(ia)-ECTOMY, not a womb-ectomy!

      Birth control is not just about SEX! And 7 billion plus people didn’t grow up in your house, so they do not think LIKE you. (I’ll bet even your siblings or cousins don’t think like you) Are the laws only for you? (Remember, we live in a “melting pot” and currently have sex-slaves in USA)
      [I hope you agree, that no one should be a sex-slave]

      The poor and elderly were meant to be beneficiaries of this health care, so that people would not suffer for a lifetime, lose homes due to health care costs, and they would stay active and work regularly. I don’t think that health really starts with health care, but with food choices; the problem IS that most people TRUST what they  buy – with unfortunate and deadly consequences.

      *(I know the concern about bone loss when women stop menses AND the concern about birth control in the water supply even after it’s been treated)

      • Survivor

        PS- Yes you should filter your water, like Dr. Doris Rapp has been saying for over 30 years now because prescription meds were not the only scary thing in the water!

    • tunnelman

      Once again  — this is not about your tax dollars sanctioning sex. It is a women’s health issue. Talk about a red herring (to use the worn out phrase from the Right)….
      I never heard this much commotion over viagra being covered in health plans. For those of you who talk so much about getting government out of our lives, how is it that you’re okay with mostly conservative politicians giving the go-ahead for employers to start slicing and dicing working people’s health plans? And also — my tax dollars go to LOTS of things that I morally disapprove of. And btw — your tax dollars aren’t even going to fund this anyway…

    • Anonymous

      Actually, adding birth control pill coverage either reduces claims and thus premium costs (published estimate referenced about $97 per subscriber reduction per year – this is for everyone, not just for those taking birth control pills) or, worst case, is cost neutral.

      You’re not paying more taxes for it.

  • david

    Excerpts from Miss Fluke at the hearing.

    “A Georgetown co-ed told Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s hearing that the women in her law school program are having so much sex that they’re going broke, so you and I should pay for their birth control.”

    “Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke said that it’s too expensive to have sex in law school without mandated insurance coverage.”

    “Apparently, four out of every ten co-eds are having so much sex that it’s hard to make ends meet if they have to pay for their own contraception, Fluke’s research shows.”

    “Forty percent of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggled financially as a result of this policy (Georgetown student insurance not covering contraception), Fluke reported.”

    “Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school,” Fluke told the hearing.”

    “For a lot of students, like me, who are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary,” she complains.”

    “It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.”

    The Democrats set this up, started this ball rolling with the Catholic fuss and moved it into a issue of women’s rights inorder to make the Repubs. look, as they say, “a right-wing jihad against “women’s health”.
    All  political and most people bought into this trumped up campaign move. Obama is slick!!!

    • Anonymous

      For those interested in the actual text of Ms. Fluke’s testimony, which had little resemblence to this cut-and-paste right-wing email, the full text may be read at http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/06/context-sandra-fluke-contraceptives-and-womens-hea/

      Even though a majority of Americans support legal, safe, available contraception, the far-right Republican base needs some cultural red meat from the leadership when they’re not doing the bidding of corporations, so we have this trumped up hogwash about religious freedom despite an effort to accomodate the medievalists.

    • Brett

      david, that’s pretty sleazy, even for you..but, let’s pretend your post is something you believe. You being a postal worker and all, and volunteer ambulance worker, you seem to have a misconception that the more a woman has sex in a month the more birth control she has to take to prevent pregnancy. If you are going to treat people medically, shouldn’t you have more knowledge about the human body and how certain medications work? Man, that’s really scary that you are riding around in rural Alabama waiting to treat the medical issues of others. Ever amputate the wrong leg? Whew, I hope not.

      • Gregg

        The pill is one thing but that doesn’t cost $1000/year. But if you are using foams or rubbers (and many other contraception products) then the more sex the more money. At 75 cents a pop (no pun) one would have to have sex 3 times a day to spend $1000 in a year.

        She used the word “contraception” and you heard “the pill and only the pill”.

        • Brett

          I would say that, as far as the issue of whether insurance companies should pay for contraception or not, it’s mostly about “the pill” and not condoms. Your arguments are becoming pat ones, for sure

          • Gregg

            Then where does she get the figure $1000/year smarty pants?

          • Gregg

            You can get the pill fee at Planned Parenthood.

          • TFRX

            Your side is trying to put PP out of business.

            Choose one, please: “Women can use PP.” “PP is ebil and against God and local Fundies can harrass them out of existance and state leges can persecute them with laws that only PP has to follow to bankrupt them for non-medical reasons”

            Pick just one.

          • Gregg

            First of all, my side is pro-choice. Secondly, PP can stay in  business without government funding which is the issue regarding them.

          • Anonymous

            You’re asking PP to give everyone BCPs, for free.  How is that a business, exactly? 

          • Gregg

            I am asking nothing but the debat be honest.

          • Anonymous

            Not in Texas.

          • Gregg

            Georgetown is in DC.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CRTBVXTQSOPGLVECV6HA3NYJZA MoniqueDC

            DC, where an average doctor visit without insurance is $140-175.  Just for the visit.  

          • Anonymous

            There are not enough Planned Parenthoods to supply BCP’s to every woman in the US.  And it should be covered by insurance, since it’s claims neutral.

          • Gregg

            Contraception is readily available cheap and in many cases free. There are many methods other than the pill.

          • Anonymous

            Her testimony was about women who needed BCPs for medical reasons. 

            As did one of my sisters. 

            Contraception is not nearly as cheap and readily available as you want to think it is.

          • Anonymous

            She gets is from $60 x 12, which is $720, plus up to $250 for your annual visit.  Total cost 970. 

            She’s correct.  Have you ever taken birth control pills?  Thought not.

          • Gregg

            I have paid for birth control pills… for years with my own money.

          • Anonymous

            I paid for them – and her estimate of maximum 3 year cost adds up – so why are you trashing her?

        • Anonymous

          Gregg, the pill can, and often does, cost about a thousand dollars a year.  Different women get different types.  The cost is about $15-60 per month for a pack of pills, plus an annual visit of $85-250, plus usually a follow up visit after they are prescribed.  60 x 12 = 720.  720 + 250 = 970.

          I am a woman.  I have actually USED birth control pills.  You need to get more accurate information – as a women, when I keep saying this misinformation about pills being so cheap repeatedly posted, it comes off as Rush fans being a bunch of haters.  

          The generics are suitable for some women, but not all.   Many can’t take the old generics. 

          The formulas vary on suitability, side effects, and what works for one women very often cannot be taken by another.

          • Gregg

            I understand that but even your worst case scenario falls short of Fluke’s claims. It’s all about convincing people there is a war on women which is soooo bogus.

          • Anonymous

            Gregg, at 970 per year, the three year cost of birth control pills is $2910.  That is “nearly $3,000″, which is what she said.

            So to me, no it does not fall short of her claim. 

            So my question is, since her estimate was correct, why vilify her?  It sure does come off as unwarranted hatefulness, for no good reason.

          • guest

            Seems to me like one big problem here is that pharma companies are allowed exclusive patents on specific combinations of hormones, that would almost certainly have been considered obvious long before their patents will run out, if not before the actual “discovery” itself. Patent exclusivity on pharma for different combinations of long-used human sex hormones? Give me a F*#$ing break.

    • Anonymous

      Nice snow job. What a load of bunk.

    • Gregg

      And they eat it up blindly while telling us we are the one being brainwashed. You can’t make this stuff up.

      • Anonymous

        This is edited and cherry picked nonsense.
        Apparently one can make it up.
        But it’s beside the point as I doubt that you are interested in the real issues that are at play here:
        A woman’s health. You’re married, do you have daughters?

        • Gregg

          I’m sorry you don’t get it. Sad.

          Stay vigilant and be very afraid. If Rick Santorum asks you to go swimming he’s liable to Baptize you if you’re not careful.

          • Anonymous

            That would be interesting, being he’s a Catholic.

            I get it, I just don’t “get it” the way you “get it”.

          • Gregg

             Zing! good one.

      • Anonymous

        Actually, she made good and valid points.  Her testimony was about her friend, who needed birth control pills for a medical condition, and was denied coverage.  And her estimates of cost were correct.

        As a woman looking in at this, all I can wonder is why all the hate at a young woman who said the truth?   And why all the lies about what she said?

  • Gregg

    “Sleep Train” is one of the eight sponsors that left “The Rush Limbaugh Show”. Now they want back. Access denied.

     “Unfortunately,” Glicklich wrote, “your public comments were not well
    received by our audience, and did not accurately portray either Rush
    Limbaugh’s character or the intent of his remarks. Thus, we regret to
    inform you that Rush will be unable to endorse Sleep Train in the
    future.”

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/03/rush-limbaugh-advertiser.html

    • Brett

      Wait a minute…the headline of the story calls ‘Sleep Train’ an “advertiser”?!?! Are they a “sponsor” or an “advertiser”? Do they affect Rush’s bottom line, or do they simply affect some local affiliate? ;-)

      I’m just remembering how yesterday you were trying to parse things out in such a way (based on what mouthpiece himself wrote verbatim practically)…I’ve worked in radio…While a sponsor or advertiser or whatever you want to call them may not affect the cost of producing Rush’s show itself by dropping their advertising support, that act may make certain affiliates drop his show from their roster, or they may put him on a different time slot, or some other such maneuver. I don’t really care one way or the other. I do like (remember I said DO) the whole thing in terms of allowing it to run its course. I would prefer to let the natural consequences proceed on both sides; if he loses advertisers, and some want to come back but can’t, or his bosses tell him to be more careful on the air (you, yourself, said he stepped in it), or of the sponsors some draw a line in the sand, and so on…it doesn’t matter. 

      One thing is for sure, the owner of the ‘Sleep Train’ company is a conservative, so I would recommend no on buy a mattress from them anyway to make a statement. Boycotting works on both sides of the fence.

      You’ve actually stumbled on to something quite profound, there, Gregg (even the blind hog finds and acorn ;)
      I wish people would vote with their wallets more and would build the current contentiousness in political debate into their buying styles. I love it when local businesses say they are “Christian” businesses and they have their fish out on the shingle; it lets me know where not to do business. 

      • Gregg

        They are a sponsor and Rush made money from their advertising. Rush explained it all and I linked it. It’s a little more than parsing. I don’t know what the rate is but is can’t be cheap. The storyline is advertisers are leaving Rush in droves and he will be hurt. Maybe devastatingly so. That’s not the case. The dramatic list is misleading, only 8 affect Rush’s bottom line and 3 have already been replaced. It could have been 4 but he chose not to let SleepTrain back.

        I have already contacted Pro Flowers, Quicken Loans and Carbonite to express my disgust. I also called LifeLock and Lear Capital to express my support because they are under a lot of pressure to drop him. The White House is in on it, can you imagine that? He’s a private citizen this is unprecedented.

        Here’s the info, if you want to weigh in:
        http://istandwithrush.org/sponsors.html

        And the petition, which I’m sure you’ll sign:
        http://istandwithrush.org/

        • Brett

          Good, you are doing what a citizen should do if he feels the way you do! (BTW, the link to the ‘White House’ doesn’t work.)

        • Brett

          If advertisers leave him; some will see a backlash from some customers and some will see benefits. Some affiliates will move him to a different time slot; some will do nothing but sing his praises, which is how it should be (you ignored the main and most important point). I will say that your complaint is that the perpetuated story is not accurate (how surprising that the ad nauseam news cycle would want to keep the story going; you’re very insightful). You are trying to spin it the other way, as is Rush, to say that these advertisers leaving him mean nothing. It at least means that even the bottom line won’t keep some businesses from acting their conscience, and that’s good on both sides. 

          • Gregg

            The main and most important point is Rush is not in the trouble the dramatic list implies. He’ll gain from this in the end. It’s nothing. The reason is, his millions of listeners know he is not hateful or sexist. Objective analysis cannot reach that conclusion (see William Raspberry and his apology to Rush some years ago when he accused him of being a bigot).

            http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-limbaugh-20120306,0,5753459.story

            I guess the reason the WH link doesn’t work is that it is a JPG screenshot of the site instead of the site itself. The image is at the bottom of my comment. you can enlarge it to read it.

          • Brett

            Sorry, I meant MY main and most important point of MY comment. I don’t really care about the points the media people make; they’re interested in keeping the circus going, and that’s true for both sides 

        • Brett

          So, Sec. Panetta expressed his opinion about Rush and that he thinks Rush should be taken off Armed Forces Radio, and this becomes the “White House is in on it.” Maybe you didn’t consider the connotative interpretations of ‘in on it,’ but I don’t know. You seem to do that a lot for it to be inadvertent, and you seem to be a good writer and all, using your words carefully, developing thoughts using good sentence structure, etc….can’t say, really.

          • Gregg

            “In on it” meaning on the official WhiteHouse dot Gov website. Is that not a fair description?

            I guess that was a compliment (maybe it’s snark, I’m never sure) so thanks, back atcha’. The one thing I know for sure is mistakes are much easier to spot after you hit the “Post” button.

          • Gregg

            Wait a minute, are you thinking some kind of sexy double entendre? If so, then no man that’s not what I meant to suggest. Maybe there is some kind of connotative interpretation but I’m missing it… or maybe I’m playing dumb as is so often the charge.

          • Brett

            Wrong thread; off topic! Shouldn’t your comment should be on the thread about laughter?

          • Brett

            NO, sir, I don’t joke about knowing how to write properly.

          • Brett

            “The one thing I know for sure is mistakes are much easier to spot after you hit the “Post” button.”

            On this we can agree.

  • None

    Thanks for finding two commentators, of opposing views, who don’t scream at each other.  Seems like a rarity these days.

  • Gregg

    Rush’s newest sponsor is Michelle Malkin’s new website, Twitchy. Perfect!

     http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/09/newest-limbaugh-advertiser-twitchy-com/

  • Buddhaclown

    In politics we become afraid to express what we truly believe. The Left believes that contraception directly leads to women’s rights and equality which is the bedrock of modern civilization, the Right believes it leads to decadence and thus the decline of the family which is the bedrock of traditional society. 

    Once again, the whole thing boils down to whether you believe in Modernity or not.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, the Right simply believes that the Government should have no role in contraception, abortion, etc.  THAT is the issue.  The lefty-guest spouting off about the Right having some goal to restrict womens rights, etc is hogwash.  There has been no push to restrict access to contraception by the Right.  We simply don’t want to be forced to provide it for non-medical needs.  If you want it, pay for it yourself.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CRTBVXTQSOPGLVECV6HA3NYJZA MoniqueDC

        Excuse me, Sgt, but it is the right that is legistlating (hence gov involvement) conditions for abortion, restrictions on birth control and other constraints for women’s choice and health.  I do not see how their legislative actions can possible by  judged to be “no role in contraception, abortionm,etc).   Actually, they are doing just the opposite..putting these issues directly into law and authorizing the government to play a large role.   Have your read these laws?  

  • KT

    Wow, this was genuinely one of the poorest talk/interview segments I have ever heard.  I’ll probably make the rare effort to write in and remark to the host.  Most of the comments already posted here are tit-for-tat stuff about Rush, but this is largely beside the point.  Mrs. Cohen offered almost no real support for her actual thesis, that the right is using elections to try to return to a family structure in which women are subservient to men while going barefoot and pregnant.  Rather, she made a few observations on social policy disputes and some pedestrian observations on the effect of The Pill on American society.  Stunningly bad, truly.  As a simple example of how the whole show went awry: to the final caller, the host asks, “do you think that society is better off if sex is reserved for marriage,” and the caller laughs and says, “I’m single and I enjoy sex as much as anyone.”  This has no bearing on the apparent thesis of the book, the question posed by the host or the issues of the day.  But the host and BOTH guests accepted this remark as if it implicitly settled the matter.       

    • Deflep1986

      Great Response

  • Guest

    Rush Limbaugh could stand to drop a few more fries out of his fast food bag that fat fuck pill head.

    • Deflep1986

      Poor choice of words….  It is ironic that you choose to be vulgur in reponse to what you perceived as the same… Bad form.

  • RedM

    Americans are nothing, if not terrified, of their sexuality — judging from the sheer # of comments.

    The pill has legitimate clinical uses to minimize cramps during menstruation, etc. But that didn’t get much coverage.

    BTW, who does the right think they’re kidding with their “sanctity of marriage” masquerade?  It’s the married men who keep the strip clubs open!

    • NQearthmonkey

       and we thank you married men, for your generous, guilt-ridden tips

  • cat

    The first conservative caller- heather- she just skewered all conservatives. She sounded so absolutely clueless. 

  • Mark Rutledge

    Another show that effects both men and women and no male guests. Why are men not invited to speak as guests on On Point when issues like this are presented?

    • Chelsea Rose

      I agree. I was talking with my fiance about how I want him to send a letter to the editor of our local newspaper saying that when I use contraception I use it because NEITHER of us want to have a child right now. Yes it primarily impacts women and when it is attacked, women are attacked, but Women’s issues are Human issues and men have a supportive place in this conversation!

  • Pagodroma
  • Deflep1986

    Boooooooooo to this show, I am a woman of child bearing age and pay for my own contraception because that is my personal responsibility.  I also consider myself a forward thinking woman, however, when women get more upset about something a radio talk show says than other more important issues, (Do you think this might just be a distraction?)  I have to wonder if we have really made any progress or if we are just playing the “sex” card to sound relevant.  

  • Slipstream

    Which one of these guests was getting her back up about the use of the word shrill?  Nancy Cohen?  I can see how she might because the word could easily be used to describe her.   All I can say is that I am very glad I dont have to look at someone like this over my morning coffee.

  • CTConservative47

    Only in the rarefied world of modern academia
    could arguments like Nancy Cohen’s be taken seriously.  In reality, she is
    only playing ball with the Marxist in the White House to create a false
    narrative that will distract voters from the sheer incompetence of this
    president who is also the most arrogant and divisive in American history.
     Neither Rush’s ill-chosen words nor the arguments of any conservatives or
    Republicans, who draw a clear distinction between the availability of
    contraceptives and the 1st Amendment rights of the Catholic Church, suggest an
    agenda even remotely resembling what Cohen describes.  It is, after all,
    the left that routinely and obscenely attacks conservative women who fail to
    tow the radical feminist line.  What she and Obama are attempting to do is
    disguise the fact that the radical socialist left’s agenda is ALL about
    control–over bodies (health care), education (monopoly schools), environment
    (cap and trade), energy (choke it off), banking (control), forced unionization
    (“card check”), and on and on and on.  All in the name of their
    utopian vision of a perfect world.  All it will lead to will be a living
    hell.

     

    That such as Cohen still promote this silly feminist
    nonsense shows that they have simply run out of intelligent arguments. Sadly
    this is what passes for thought among many academics who just don’t realize how
    much they don’t know.  They can
    start by reading Thomas Sowell’s incisive expose of the intellectual mind and
    limitations of knowledge in “Intellectuals and Society.”

    Intellectuals have a long history jumping on the
    bandwagon of bad ideas. 

     

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