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The GOP Race After Super Tuesday

The verdict of Super Tuesday. 10 states. More than 400 Republican delegates, and how they fall.

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney listens as South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley introduces him before a campaign event, Friday, Jan. 6, 2012, in Conway, S.C. (AP)

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney listens as South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley introduces him before a campaign event, Friday, Jan. 6, 2012, in Conway, S.C. (AP)

We love to say “super”, and we love big maps with different colors. So Super Tuesday, with its presidential primary contests from Georgia to Alaska, is bound to wind us up.

But the Super Tuesday reality last night – the verdict from Republican voters across the country – was anything but a thunderous slam dunk. Mitt Romney got his wins and his Ohio, by a whisker. But there was Rick Santorum, with his wins and his Tennessee waltz. And Gingrich, still marching in Georgia. It’s a split decision and a rugged road.

This hour, On Point: Super Tuesday, and the GOP’s battle within.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Karen Tumulty, national political correspondent for The Washington Post.

Cynthia Tucker, visiting professor at the University of Georgia’s Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication. She spent 20 years at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution as an editorial board member and syndicated columnist.

Whit Ayres, republican pollster, he is president of North Star Opinion Research.

From Tom’s Reading List

Politico “Will Mitt Romney smack down Rick Santorum in Ohio, or will it go the other way around? Will Newt Gingrich be relegated to the status of regional candidate with a single-state win in Georgia? Does anyone remember Ron Paul’s caucus strategy?”

New York Times “Republicans cast their votes in 10 states on Tuesday to help decide how to award the biggest batch of delegates so far in the party’s presidential nominating contest, with Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum engaged in a particularly competitive fight in Ohio.”

Washington Post “As the four remaining Republican presidential candidates head into the most consequential voting day yet, each positioned himself Monday for a breakout moment that so far has proved elusive.”

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  • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

    Bigger news (to me) than the fact that Romney looks like the eventual nominee that few Republicans are enthusiastic about is that Dennis Kucinich lost in the Ohio Democratic primary and Joe the Plumber won in the Ohio Republican Primary.

    If Joe the Plumber becomes a member of Congress and Obama wins in the general election, “you lie” will seem like civil behavior.Our country is in serious trouble.

    • Gregg

      As long as Obama doesn’t stand up in front of the nation and lie he has no worries.

      • Ray in VT

        If telling a lie becomes something that a President can expect to get yelled at for, then all Presidents will have to fear such shouts.

        • Gregg

           Let’s hope. God Bless Joe Wilson.

          • Ray in VT

            I think that his outburst was in poor taste, and we should expect better of our representatives, especially in forums such as the Capital.

          • Gregg

            I can’t disagree but standing up at the State of the Union and telling a lie is worse.

          • Ray in VT

            Wilson’s shout was at something else, wasn’t it?

          • Gregg

            In a nut shell, Obama said illegal immigrants would not be covered under Obamacare but they are because no proof of citizenship is required.

          • Brett

            Those tit-for-tat notions creeping in…again.

          • Gregg

            You’re jumping the shark Brett. Lies should be called out, that’s all. I don’t get the tit for tat thing. I must be playing dumb. Enjoy what ever internal chuckle you are having because it went over my head.

  • Modavations

    President Romney has sent his condolences to Herr Kucinich.Rep.Kucinich has steadfastly worked ,for the last 100years, as apologist for the racist Dependency Party.He will now become a Marxist Professor at the Kennedy School of Big Government

    • Hidan

      ” racist Dependency Party”

      Kucinich was never part of the Republican party your hood must be blocking your eyes moda troll.

      • Modavations

        Yes Mastah I’ll vote Dem,just give me my check.You’ve taught me well Mastah,I’m inferior,I’m second class.I promise Mastah,I’ll vote Dem.just send me my checck

        • Hidan

           Mark Williams alert.

          • Modavations

            Who  is M.Williams,my anti-semetic friend

          • Hidan

            oh just another racist like yourself that pretty much says the same thing as people like you.

            Mastah is one of his lines.

            Throwing out anti-semetic doesn’t work. There’s tons of reasons not to like Israel or yourself than being Jewish.

            Go on trolling the thread like you normally do.

          • Modavations

            My name is Frederick Douglas Manning.Are you expanding your portfolio.I thought you were head anti-semite.I had no idea you double as apologist for the Welafare State

          • Ray in VT
          • paul

            You’ve gotten your attention, now please go and seek the help you need.

            You add nothing to the dialogue.

            Hater

        • mary elizabeth

          Your comments are  repugnant.

          • Modavations

            You react,you scratch your noggin.That madam is my raison d’etre

          • TFRX

            …because in the Internet world without an “ignore” button, you can be ignored politely (which works in meatspace) and come away with the delusion that you’re made a cogent point or said something funny.

            Putting up with you is like pretending my 4-y.o.’s nephew’s jokes are funny, or my 5-y.o.’s niece doesn’t cheat playing cards: Sheer indulgence, which I tire of from time to time.

          • Modavations

            Take your own advice and ignore me.

          • Brett

            Come on, MO-D, TFRX said that with the greatest of affection.

          • Modavations

            Au Contrairemon frere.He hasn’t cracked a smile in 20 years

          • TFRX

            I do ignore you, but it’s not as fun as ignoring you at a cocktail party must be.

            Do you open your mouth, and find that there’s a 20-foot clear circle around you in half a minute?

            Because if this site had an Ignore button, you’d make people burn it out.

          • Modavations

            You ignore me about 10 times a day

      • Modavations

        Speak to Robert Byrd,the Constsitutional genius ,the icon of the Dem.Party.The last Grand Dragon of the KKK.Then ask Al Gore’s racist daddy, about the Democrat filibuster of the Civil Rights laws.Then talk to Dwight Eisenhower about his forced desegregation agaisnt the Dems in Little Rock.Then ask Abe Lincoln,founder of the Rep.Party about freeing the Democrats slaves.

        • Ray in VT

          I think that your problem is with racist southerners, not modern Democrats.

          • Hidan

             Read his comments on blacks and your see he agrees with those racist Southerners but attempts to falsely justify such by claiming democrats are equally as racist.

            His views mirror Mark Williams the non-racist about blacks.

        • Modavations

          I live in Boston where they still have forced busing.Some apologists of the Dependency Party try to point to the South.

          • BEEZ

            Are you from Boston? Did you go to primary school there? Boston is probably the most segregated-by-neighborhood cities in the country, so without “forced” bussing, many schools would be extremely homogenous.
            I don’t recall “forced” bussing be an issue when I was in school in the 80′s and 90′s. I only remember it being an issue in the 70′s with racists in Southie and the likes. What are you afraid of?

          • Hidan

             blacks

          • Modavations

            I lived in Joburdg for 4 years.You are an endless excuse for the Welfare state.And you don’t know me,nor my heart

          • Modavations

            The Left starts the Welfare State,destroys the nuclear Black Family,out of wedlock birth soars.School vouchers are denied.Patholgy abounds and then the Left steps in as savior.They create the disaster,feign ignorance as to it’s origin and then ride to the rescue.Mr Moynihan knew the cause!!!You also called him racist

        • Hidan

          All those Racist Dem’s went and join the Republican party thus lossing the south for the democratic party. strom Thurman rings a bell, The Southern strategy rings another.

          Byrd unlike the other renounced his previous actions. It was Mr Thurman who filibustered the civil rights bill. Who proudly went to the republican party.

          Take the hood off and you would see this.

          P.S.

          Moda Troll is pretty much saying the same thing Mark Williams the non-racist said.

          http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/07/tea-partier-mark-williams-writes-open-letter-to-lincoln-from-the-coloreds/

          The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds!

          • Modavations

            I know,I know and the other heroes of the Left Mao,Stalin,Pol Pot,Hitler were just misunderstood Yoots(My Cousin Vinny).Spare us the Hitler dodge.NAZI=National Workers Socialist Party

    • mary elizabeth

      Judging from the vile in your comments and your general disdain for so many among us,  you do not hold a candle to the honorable Dennis Kucinich a man of principle and high hopes for manknd.

      • Modavations

        Are you for School Vouchers madam?

  • Gregg

    Thank you Karen Tumulty for calling out the left on their misogyny.

    • Modavations

      Democrats are for women’s rights only as it suits their political agenda

      • Gregg

        No doubt about it, otherwise NOW would have lifted a finger for Paula Jones or Linda Tripp. Well, I guess they did but I’m not talking about that finger.

        However, Karen Tumulty along with Kirsten Powers are two Democrat females who are exceptions. Credit where credit is due.

        • Modavations

          Bull.Never a peep when Anthony Weener was at his prime.When Pres.Bill was in his prime,NOW actually came out and said he’s entitled to one grope….But if it happens again….

          • Gregg
          • Modavations

            No,No,No,No….Rush is not a misogynist.He’s a satarist,a gadfly

          • TFRX

            A gadfly?

            And “satire” means something besides kissing up and kicking down.

            He was feted by the GOP’s “class of 1994″. He, whenever any GOP elected official says word one of dissent about, clears his throat and that official begins a neck-snapping turnaround apology.

            You’re hilarious–provided you don’t try to protect anyone who wants to destroy me and mine. At that point you become dangerously underinformed.

          • Modavations

            Born Free,Drive a Yugo.Justice Brothers,I got more.Not to mention the fact that he’s the most listened to man in the USA

          • Gregg

            She’s wrong about that but she is applying it across the board.

        • TFRX

          Karen Tumulty is not a Democrat.

          • Modavations

            Huh.Are you privy

  • Hidan

    Newt’s speech last night was delusional
    Rick’s was full of crap and Romney gave his in Mass of all places and looked pretty fake.  

    • Gregg

       All the speeches were too long.

  • Gregg

    AJ,

    Your boy Ron Paul gave’m a good scare in Vermont!

  • AC

    did anybody decide to stop running? all but Mr Paul won something, no?

    • Gregg

      No, they’re all hanging on.

      • Modavations

        Honing their messages,girding their loins.Through adversity they grow ever stronger

        • AC

          thanks a lot. i don’t know which visual is worse; Newt or Paul ‘girding their loins….’
          *~*

    • Hidan

       Nope,

      Newt’s two states once and for all proves that he’s going to be president(according to Newt) Rick S mutiply wins once and for all proves that he’s going to be president(according to Rick) and Romney’s wins has once and for all prove that a large majority Republicans still don’t like the guy and he will be president. Paul’s in it for delegates and a chance to speak at the NC.

  • Modavations

    Mass. is such a one party state that they get jealous in Moscow.Romney was the Republic Governor in the Peoples Republic of Ma…..

    • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

      Scott Brown.

  • Anonymous

    All I can say is, some of the commentators on this forum seem to think that by posting the most outrageous nonsense that somehow they will get a reaction. It’s not the content that’s important, but the reaction. I suppose for some, the lizard part of their brains is holding sway.

    • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

      Sort of like the Republican candidates pandering to the unfocused anger and racism of the base…

    • Gregg

       I agree. You and Hidan are bad for that.

      • Gregg

         Add Richard to the list.

        • Modavations

          Add Trfx,Jeffe,NJ,TerryTT,Zero and the assorted B-Teamers.Why don’t you guys answer my charges.All we hear from you guys is feigned outrage

          • Anonymous

            What charges? Oh the inane stuff you post? You have to be kidding.

          • Modavations

            That the Dem.Party has made the Black man dependent on govt.and all for a vote

          • Hidan

             Mark Williams alert#2

          • Modavations

            Is that a reply.Defend against my charges please

        • Anonymous

          Add yourself to the list.

          • Modavations

            Greggs a gentlemen.I throw the rocks

          • Gregg

            Thanks Moda, I worry about Jefe.

          • Modavations

            Rabies

      • Anonymous

        I’m reacting to the idiocy. Case in point buddy.
        You come on here with a high and mighty air and yet you post a lot bunk. Case in point.
        I’m not trying use language to inflame people.
        I’ll call you and idiot because you are one.

        • Gregg

          Alrighty then. I rest my case.

          • Anonymous

            As I rest mine.
            Notice that I did not call you an idiot.
            I said I’ll call you one if you deserve it. There is a difference. Do you have comprehension issues?

            However, in your case I’ll make an exception…

          • Gregg

            Have you got a comment about super Tuesday because I haven’t seen it. Or are you just trying to get a reaction?

          • Anonymous

            Yes, your man Gingrich is a loser. 

          • Gregg

            Finally!

          • Modavations

            Every day,all day.

        • Modavations

          idiocy,high and mighty,bunk,idiot,inanity,dung,your full of it…….
          He’s starting to foam and it’s only 8:30

    • Ray in VT

      It can be a much more pleasant and meaningul conversation when some people take a day off.  It would be a much more interesting place if people laid off of the hyperbole and intentionally inflammatory comments, but it’s a public forum, so you just gotta take the good with the bad.

      • Gregg

        How do you view these comments by Jefe, Hidan and Richard? Jefe’s cussing like a sailor and it’s not even 8:30.

        • Anonymous

           Cursing like a sailor? There are no cuss words in my comment. You seem to have a comprehension problem.

          • Modavations

            Everyday ,all day.

          • Gregg

            You edited it. Now it says dung instead of BS. You have an honesty problem.

          • Anonymous

            Bullshit is the same thing as dung. You have a BS problem, a huge one.
            You’re a fake. You have no intention of honest debate as you are so want to imply.

            At least Moda is honest in his contempt, I admire his consistency as much as I loath it.

          • Gregg

            Flagged for inappropriate, nasty off-topic whining.

          • Anonymous

            This from the king of forum whining. That’s rich.

            The other thing, I’m not sure it matters about the flagging. BUR seems to be not to care. So flag away.

        • Ray in VT

          I don’t care for outrageous statements in general.  Where they do make over the top statements, many of them seem to be replies especially to Modavations’ off-topic, over-simplified and often gravely distorted comments.  I don’t seem them carpet-bombing this forum with invective in the way that he does.

          I think that we would all be better served practicing more civilized discourse.

          • Gregg

            Jefe and Hidan started the nasty threads and Richard was replying to Jefe.

            I don’t care, I think it’s funny. Don’t defend them.

          • Ray in VT

             I think that they can defend themselves.  I think that Jefe’s original comment here is valid, although I could deal without the last sentence.

            I think that the over the top and historically inaccurate stuff is extremely annoying.

          • Anonymous

            Moda made his usual inane comment and had to get into calling Democrats racists and even fortified his absurdity by using Southern Dems to tar the entire party. This is done over and over again.  I’m kind of sick if this guys act myself.
            For some reason this mans malicious diatribes are OK by you and if I comment on them I’m being nasty. This already makes you a fake and a hypocrite.

            You come on here acting all high and mighty and in reality you’re not. You have this air of superiority that is based on self grandiosity which may explain your support for Gingrich. Anytime anyone posts an opinion that is not in congress with yours you deride them. I’m giving you back the very contempt you are giving out.

        • Modavations

          He is the only functional teenager I know with Rabies.

        • Brett

          Isn’t that kind of a “how ‘ya gonna act” mentality you’ve got, there, Gregg? Tit for tat has ruined you, my friend.

          • Gregg

            Dude read his comments, I was minding my own business. He drips hate. Ray is a good guy complaining about Moda so I asked the question. 

            Jefe is free to be hateful, I don’t want to silence him. And with all due respect, I’m not your friend.

          • Modavations

            How can you call this guy a good guy.He went to a felon web site.Who even knew such a thing exists and priinted a picture of a guy with my name,saying it’s me.Pure McCarthyism and then goes on to say I’m thick skinned.Perhaps you should say something,this is not a likeable man

          • Gregg

            Yea, that was pretty nasty.

    • Modavations

      lizard part of the brain.Let it rip my rabid one.Surely the bile is at critical level

      • Anonymous

        Indeed.

    • Fredlinskip

       What does it say about the quality of conversation on this comments page when the most “liked” comment in the discussion is one concerning the lack of the quality of many of the posts.

         What most disappoints me personally is when “outrageous conversation” often having nothing to do with subject at hand, pushes way down the page and out of sight, worthwhile respectful thoughtful well-researched comments that really add to conversation at hand.

         But this is perhaps the intent of these “outrageous conversations”- to discourage meaningful understanding and debate of the issues at hand.

  • Hidan

    Could Onpoint ask it’s guest what will be the republlican party reaction when Obama wins a second term? Will they try to run to the far right once again or will they pick a moderate that doesn’t have to do the “Romney”(flipping from one principled position to the next principled position within hours)?

    • Modavations

      It doesn’t bother me as long as Pres.Obama allows us to have another election.

      • Ray in VT

        So, do you have some sort of inside information regarding the administration shutting down the upcoming elections?

        • Gregg

           My governor (Bev Purdue) suggested it.

          • Ray in VT

            Seriously?  I heard that sort of talk from the left in 2008, and it was just as ridiculous then.

          • Gregg

            Yea, seriously. Later she said she was joking but if you listen to her say it, it was clear she was not.

          • Modavations

            What party is Bev?

          • Gregg

            I’ll give you 3 guesses.

          • Gregg

            Here’s a hint, when it was first reported the press did not say.

          • Modavations

            Pulling your leg General

          • Modavations

            She wanted to close down the House or the Senate,I forgot which.Typical fascist

  • Modavations

    Mastah,Mastah,please afford my children a school voucher.Mastah replies,no way I need you dumb and deoendent and voting Democrat.

    • Hidan

      compare Moda Troll comments about blacks to Mark Williams(tea party express) below. of course both are non-racist.

      “What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As
      Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our
      own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions! ”

      http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/07/tea-partier-mark-williams-writes-open-letter-to-lincoln-from-the-coloreds/

      • Modavations

        Compare Moda philosophy with Bill Cosby

        • Anonymous

          Well, one sells Jello pudding and the other seems to be using it for brains.

          • AC

            o snap!

          • Modavations

            Mr Cosby says graduate highschool,marry the mother of your child,have kids when your 21,quit naming yourself Letifah,pull your pants up so we don’t see the crack of your ass.Mr.Cosby and Moda are peas in a pod.But your comment is the usual bufoonery without intellectual comment.Seek help son.Talk to Ultrax he will recommend a shrink

  • Modavations

    President Romney speaking to the Democrat,s chattel says….of course we’ll give you school vouchers.We want you affluent and buying our products

  • Jasoturner

    Part of Romney’s problem is that he can’t hide the fact that he is an “elite”, which is anathema to the republican narrative (despite the fact that all presidential candidates from both parties are extremely well educated, well to do citizens, i.e. “elites”).

    And so, he does not excite the so-called republican base.

    For an independent voter, his ability to turn and pander on a dime is a turn off.  Having the privilege of being a Massachusetts citizen, I have had the luxury of knowing how Romney campaigned and governed here, versus his claim of being a “severe conservative” at the time.  I know it is politically incorrect to do so, but let’s call a lie what it is, shall we?

    As for democrats (who will vote for him, as his governorship shows), his repudiation of his own rational approach to healthcare access for all is simply unacceptable.

    Despite all that, he is the only candidate who makes any sense at all for the republicans to nominate.  Santorum and Gingrich are really caricatures of viable candidates, the fantasies of republican extremists more wedded to ideological purity than to honest governance.

    Or so it seems to me.  Whether Romney can beat Obama remains to be seen.  But Romney better hew a lot closer to the truth in his comments about Obama if he doesn’t want to turn non-ideologues totally against him.

    • Gregg

      I think you are on target with Romney. Republicans last night once again gave a collective “I guess he’s not so bad”.

      I disagree about Newt and Santorum though. Newt is most likely done and if either drops out or if they combine forces then Romney is in trouble.

      I gotta say, most of the time the thumbnail pictures strike me as a little weird but yours is cool as hell. Is that a striper?

      • Ray in VT

        I don’t see a path for Newt.  I did think that he would throw in the towel after only winning his home state last night.  Last night some talking heads were making the case that he could do well in the deep south and make it a real race for 2nd, but what would be the point?

        If he really wants to prevent Romney from becoming the nominee, then bowing out and supporting Santorum would seem to be his best bet.

        • Gregg

          I agree, I sent him $25 anyway this morning.

          • Ray in VT

            Were you surprised that he didn’t give up the ghost last night or this morning?

          • Gregg

            Naw, I would have been if he had lost Georgia. Maybe he’s going for a brokered convention or thinking of teaming with Santorum as VP nominee. Or maybe as an historian he realizes stranger things have happened. The radio ads for him are hot and heavy (again) for the May 8 NC primary.

          • Modavations

            I give my money to the abundant supply of Pan Handlers in the Boston Area, although I’m sure they all vote Democrat

      • Jasoturner

        It is indeed…

        • Modavations

          Professional engineer.Good god man,only an Elite would say Professional engineer.A grounded man would say Elec.Engineer,or….Only an Elite would call himself “Rationalist’What in god’s name is a rationalist

          • Jasoturner

            A professional engineer is licensed by the state, which allows one to certify (stamp) drawings, among other things.  It is a term of art in common use amongst my colleagues.  One can be a degreed and employed engineer without being a P.E.

            A rationalist is one who employs reason rather than appeals to revelation or received wisdom in apprehending the world.

            Hopefully this helps…

          • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

            That and some Lorazepam.

          • Modavations

            Answer my questions,knock off the college kid tripe

          • Modavations

            I’m a credentialed gemologist.On occasion clients fly me around the world to view diamonds and tell them whether to make a bid.I am never referred to as a Professional Gemologist.I’m a Gemologist with a degree from G.I.A. Professional Rationalist,or  effete elite?

          • Jasoturner

            Makes sense.  If a gemologist screws up, it costs someone money.  If an engineer screws up, it can cost people their lives.  Hence the need for licensing.

            Can you get me a deal on gemstones?

          • Modavations

            I deal in tens of thousands.If I screw up it can indeed cost some their life(mine)

          • Anonymous

            I too am a professional engineer.

          • Modavations

            Are you also a Professional Rationalist

          • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

            Tee hee!

          • Modavations

            have you a point.Shouldn’t you be home studying

        • Gregg

          Sweet.

      • Modavations

        A rationalist…..Give me a break.Just another defender of the Nanny State is more like it.What the hell is a Rationalist if not an elitist in the 3rd degree

  • Modavations

    President Romney wouyld like to know why FDR was against Public Unions.President Romney would like to know the rational behind Pres.Kennedy’s lowering of tax rates.Would a mermber of the Dependency party help him out

    • Mpatterson

      ????

      • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

        Drunk, maybe?

        • Modavations

          And your answer to the question is what?It seems that the cat has got the left’s collective(yikes) tongue…….That “Yikes is my gag reflex when hearing the word “collective”….Sort of like Maynard G.Krebbs and the word “Work”

  • Anonymous

    Does Mitt Romney really know how to create jobs for you a and me? He sure does know how to create jobs for members of the financial elite class, but he has excelled at destroying jobs. Just look into his vulture capital activities at Bain Capital with respect to their attempt to build a paper empire: leveraged up the wazoo… AKA putting other peoples money at risk, they screwed a lot of people, workers and investors alike.
    Yep, we need a chief executive to fire all those lazy American Citizens who are dragging this county down by voting for Democrats and unions and universal health care… not that the Democrats don’t have their own problems being puppets of big money, they just have a longer leash!

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/02/23/147257517/how-mitt-romneys-firm-tried-and-failed-to-build-a-paper-empire

    • Modavations

      Staples,Sports Authority….Black Fang,bite your daddies ankle please

      • Anonymous

        I’d prefer to bight your right leg off as I am a wolf in sheep’s clothing. :^)

        • Modavations

          bite.Give me back my Alpo Black Fang.Look in the mirror,a wolf you’re not.A match for one’s purse….Perhaps

    • TomK in Boston

      Of course he doesn’t know how to create jobs. All he knows is the LBO con game: put minimal $ down, borrow the rest, buy the company, have the company take on maximum debt to pay back your loans and pay you fees and dividends, cut quality and fire employees to get a short term boost in profits, pay yourself more fees and dividends, etc.

      Willard’s “business experience” should be an absolute disqualification for POTUS. We’re just starting to recover from financial con games, we don’t want a grifter in the WH.

  • Patrik

    It’s very difficult; if you move in international circles professionally, socially or personally, to try to explain the Republican ‘devolution’ of US politics.  I’m a forward leaning progressive and I want a level-headed, well read and well rounded Republican opponent to my Democratic choice.  Those kind of opponents are rare and are driven out of the Republican party head first and replaced by Joe ‘ has no clue’ the Plumbers.  There are a lot of countries adopting this Democratic experiment and they are seeing our present as their future and it’s not looking bright.

    • Jasoturner

      Would I be correct in thinking you found Huntsman tolerable?  I know I did, but a guy like that isn’t going anywhere in that party nowadays…

      • Ray in VT

        I found Huntsman to be generally tolerable.  I thought that he was thoughtful and bright, and it amazed me that he was the only candidate out of the six or seven who got on stage who came out and said that he believed in evolution and climate change.

        I think that he is the sort of guy who can get elected at the state level, but his positions won’t play well nationally in the party.

        • Jasoturner

          Kind of mind boggling, isn’t it?

          • Ray in VT

            A bit.  It makes me wonder a bit about where we are going when it is suggested that the Theory of Evolution and Intelligent Design should be given shared time in biology classes as though they were equally accepted scientific theories.

          • TFRX

            But ID isn’t a theory. Once something becomes an actual “theory”, it can be disproved, and then dropped*.

            See N rays, which were all the rage until they were investigated.

            *I’m sure this is not news to some of us on the board.

          • Ray in VT

            Didn’t a judge call it creationism in a cheap suit?  Maybe it belongs in a comparative religion course, but not in a biology class.

          • TFRX

            Yes, that’s the place it belongs.

            Except we then run into the idea of what a school board in RealAmerica(TM) wants in a comparative religion course: I don’t trust that for anything resembling the advancement of knowledge or curiosity.

          • Gregg

            They are both theories. Neither one bothers me.

          • Anonymous

            ID is not a theory.
            For it be one it would have to have some scientific experiment or data to prove that a theory is plausible.
            Anyone who thinks the earth is about 6 thousand years old is a fool. 

          • Modavations

            I’ve never run into anyone who believes this.Show me an example 

          • TomK in Boston

            OMG, “ID is a theory” is something that only someone with zero knowledge of science could say…but hey, that’s a pre-req to be a good TeaOPper, right?

            Hey Gregg, a model doesn’t get to be a “theory” until it passes many tests. What are the tests of ID? What would disprove it? Don’t worry about it, I know you can’t answer.

            GOP now stands for “God’s own Party”

          • TFRX

            I think Gregg described himself as a non-believer.

            For someone with that viewpoint, he certainly loves ceding ground to “Christains” (which I exclusively describe as Catholic hierarchy & evangelical Protestants) who want to take over my public life.

          • Gregg

            I said I am a non-Christian not a non-believer. There may be a God, I can’t rule it out. But I respect Christians and don’t fear them. Sad that you do.

          • Gregg

            Sorry, I’m not a scientist (too dumb), just a Merriam Webster guy.

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory

          • emc

             No.  Evolution is a theory.  ID and creationism are quasi-religious nonsense.  Do note both my daughters attended Christian religious schools.  Neither school taught creationism, YEC, or ID in their science classes.

          • Gregg

            It’s a theory and a separate matter from religion. No one knows, so respect should be given.

          • Brett

            Oops, you stepped in it now!

          • Fredlinskip

            Evolution is as much a theory as the Earth going around the Sun.

            Unless of course, facts don’t matter.

        • Anonymous

          And lets not forget he speaks Chinese, Mandarin I think, and was ambassador to China as well. One would think having a presidential nominee with his credentials would be a shoe in. But he worked for the Obama administration so in light of the current GOP extremist he’s a traitor.
          Gone are the days of respecting the office of the Presidency.

      • Patrik

        I did.  Im still upset that he was snubbed the way he was, punishing him for having all my afore mentioned traits.

  • U.S. Vet.

    Mitt Romney has sealed the GOP nomination,

    which means Barack Obama will be re-elected.

    • Sean

      It wouldn’t have mattered which Republican clown was nominated…. Obama will wipe the floor with any of them!

      • Modavations

        Listen dude I’m stuck $4000.00 on my B.of Am. stock.I’m looking for a clairvoyent,please pick me a winner

        • Ray in VT

          Kodak and American Airlines.

        • Modavations

          A young snitch in the audience advised me to “short” American and Kodak.I want to thank him,whoever he is.While it is unseasonably warm I keep hearing gnats buzzing in my ear,begging for attention.Anyone else having this problem?

          • Ray in VT

             No.  It’s probably a defective battery in your hearing aid.  You should really check on that.

      • Anonymous

        Actually if someone like Huntsman was nominated I think the race would be very tight indeed.

        It seems to me that GOP base has moved so far to right that any nominee has to move from that towards a center right position to get elected.
        The other thing, about 53% of the voters are women. The GOP is not doing itself any good by making contraception such a huge issue.
        It’s the economy stupid….
         

        • TFRX

          But it’s like asking the Henry Fonda character* to lead the fleckspittled
          mob to break into the jail and hang the prisoner in a Western:
          That was never going to happen.

          (*With a few exceptions)

  • Gdbknyc

    I hope the race continues. These guys still need to be vetted by the American public!
    http://gooddesign-bknyc.blogspot.com/view/sidebar

  • Yar

    This comment board sounds like the Israels and Palestinians.  The rhetoric is so polar that no real communication exists.  Our country today mirrors 1860 when Lincoln and Breckenridge were major candidates.  Kentucky, Tennessee and Virginia voted for Bell.  In 1864 Kentucky and New Jersey voted for McClellan,  today Kentucky’s republican party holds Lincoln day dinners, even though he never carried the state, and he would be a considered a democrat in today’s version of parties.  I just wonder what President Obama detractor’s great grandchildren will think of his legacy. It took 125 years for Kentucky to embrace Lincoln, maybe another 50 before the deep south does.  Doing the right thing is seldom popular at the time.  I wish we could quit the team chants and understand we are all in the same boat.  Maybe then we would stop yelling at each other and start rowing together in the same direction.

    • Modavations

      We must fully fund the Welfare State.Even though it breeds despair and dependency.We must,we must

      • emc

         I guess that’s why everybody is so despondent and miserable in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland.

        Oh, wait….

        • Modavations

          They’re a lot freer then in the USA,that’s for sure.The trade off is they pay 50% tax rate on 100,000.00 .I pay 28 fed and 6% ma.I think the Scandanavian countries have the highest suicide rates in the world.Nederlands and France no longer permit the Burkha.Nederalands demands immigrants learn the Lingue Frana.Spain has unemployement of 25%.While college was free in Europe Eng.,now charges 10,000 pound per year.European T.V.is a disaster.I’m an Italian boy and go to Bologna every Sept..I love Europe.You can smoke cigs and walk around with an open beer in any of the capitals.I’d make it one block in Boston with a beer in my hand,before an arrest

  • Cory, Lord of the Nerds

    I just think people didn’t and don’t like being told who their nominee is so far in advance.  The inevitability of Mitt Romney has rubbed folks the wrong way for a long time.

    As far as Mitt vs Barrack…  I can’t see Mitt winning, but I also couldn’t imagine G-Dub winning in 2000 or being re-elected in 04.  The American electorate can elect anybody. 

  • HarryBoston

    Tom, can you and your panel discuss the apparently low turnout on “Super” Tuesday and what the implications may be for the Republicans in the general election in November?

  • Sean

    DiMwitt Romney was barely able to defeat the intolerable idiots who were his opponents DESPITE outspending them better than 10 to 1!!!

    GREAT JOKE!

    This is the REPUBLICAN CHOICE???!!!

    … well, sort of!

    OBAMA 2012!!

  • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

    Here’s another piece of news only partly related to the Republican Presidential candidates:

    Charles and David Koch are attempting to pack the board of CATO and change it from an independent libertarian think tank (sort of) into even more of a funnel for Republican propaganda. I’m delighted that the New York Times has outed this dispute between the Kochs and CATO, we have to keep the Koch’s in the spotlight (they hate that) and continue to boycott their products.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/us/cato-institute-and-koch-in-rift-over-independence.html

    It would be interesting to know if they’ve contributed to Ron Paul’s campaign, he’s the only libertarian in the group although I would think the least likely to be influenced by their money.

    • Patrik

      You’re right, the puppeteers need to be exposed constantly.

      Ron Paul, to those involved professionally, is nothing more than a pleasant diversion. 

       I always thought the CATO Institute was in the camp of  establishment conservatives, hmm.

    • Modavations

      The Koch brothers are major supporters of NPR.A real man would never post on the NPR influenced forum again.

      • Anonymous

        A real man knows when to shut it.

        • TFRX

          Not that I care, but a real man is never the first one to drop the phrase “a real man” into an argument.

          • Gregg

            I prefer “manly man”.

          • Modavations

            Thanks Dr.Freud

        • Modavations

          And the intellectual point iis????You just can’t help yourself.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Santorum’s momentum, whether he wins the nomination or not, has been pretty scary – thinking the spectre of Nehemiah Scudder died when Perry dropped out of the race was a bit premature.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    It will be interesting to see how Romney spins his overwhelming win in MA – it’s definitely a resounding victory for Romneycare and gay marriage and one he’ll never live down.

    • Modavations

      He’s smiling as is Sen. Brown.If you can get elected in the Peoples Republic, everything else is a piece of cake.I think “President Romney” has a nice ring to it

      • Jasoturner

        In a spirit of bipartisan cooperation, Martha Coakley shall be his running mate!

  • Modavations

    One of the B-teamers wanted to physically assault me,called my darling a Street Walker and then posted some felons picture named Frederick Douglas Manning today.The picture was blocked so I don’t know if the felon is as good looking as I.Typical Democrat,though

    • Brett

      Damn, MO-D, those persecutions just keep coming. You dance between raindrops and laugh in their faces, I say! 

      • Modavations

        He makes his mother proud.Sort of like a snitch.And your opinion of a snitch is what?

        • Brett

          What do they do with stoolies in the slammer? …Sshh! Dummy up; here comes the warden. 

          • Modavations

            I’m always on guard around here.Many a “pooF”on this forum

          • Anonymous

            Many a poof on this forum?
            So are you saying that there are to many gay people posting here or that you have issues with people who are.
             

          • TFRX

            He doesn’t have issues with gay people, methinks. He just likes calling people gay as he thinks it impresses other people.

            He’s answered the bell wonderfully, escalating his sense of humor from “What second- graders think is funny” to “What fifth-graders think is funny”.

          • Ray in VT

            He’s a real treasure, as well as perhaps the most unintentionally funny poster to this site.  I have decided to think of him as a character created for our amusement.

  • MarkVII88

    Last night I was watching super tuesday coverage on a number of different networks.  One troubling item I noticed is that only commentators for Fox News, like Brit Hume, and no other network were at least partially attributing Santorum’s wins and the close race between Romney and Santorum in Ohio on Democrats and Independents who were deliberately trying to sabotage the contests against Romney.  Is it so hard for establishment conservatives to accept that a large portion of registered Republicans revile Romney and all his big money support?

    • Patrik

      Analysts have been stating that if Romney wins because he only has more delegates than the other nominees and not the required number, it will probably spark a brokered convention because it will just be demoralizing going into the General in November.  What mischievous Dems do is moot at this point.

    • Roy-in-Boise

       Well said Mark!

    • Gregg

      Daily Kos started it:

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/15/1065052/-Announcing-Operation-Hilarity-Let-s-keep-the-GOP-clown-show-going-?detail=hide&via=blog_1

      Michael Moore said this:

      “I have to tell you a lot of my Democratic friends will vote for Santorum in something they are calling Operation Hilarity”

      Any news outlet that did not mention this was not being thorough or serving their viewers well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    What does it say about Romney’s viability as a national candidate if it takes him outspending his opponents 4 to 1 to win a swing state like Ohio? I wonder if Romney still would’ve won Ohio if Santorum had been able to get on the ballot in all precincts..

    • Gregg

      It says he still has some work to do to convince people he is something he is not.

  • Martiin Evans

    How can Romney convince us that his managerial experience is  relevant. He is a person who leveraged debt, rather than someone who reduced debt. The latter is what the Republicans want.

    see: http://martingevans.blogspot.com/2012/01/romney-at-bain-capital.html

  • Guest

     This process is good for America, it insures that only the best candidates make it to the big stage, and ultimately the White House. No candidate is ready when they start. This isnt about whats best for the parties, its about whats best for America.

  • Brett

    Gregg, congratulations are in order! Your man Santorum held on…who knows, he might just be the next president! I’ll bet people are rejoicing in mill towns and under the ringing bells of church steeples in small towns all over this great country. Anyway, I’m sure, once elected, he’ll do everything he can to protect your “pro-choice, pro-drug, non-Christian freedoms. 

    • Gregg

      Newt’s my guy, so….

  • Rex

    With comments like “I will return the power to the people” and “America works best from the bottom up,” Rick Santorum sounds like a closet liberal. 

  • Martin Evans

    How can Romeny create a perception of authenticity at this stage oof the race?

    See:  http://martingevans.blogspot.com/2012/03/republican-front-runners.html

  • Anonymous

    The GOP is showing that they can run their party as Bush Jr. ran the nation during his 8 years in the White House. I hope the GOP runs faster their own party, otherwise the GOP will throw the house out of the window.

  • MarkVII88

    At what point do Romney’s opponents realize that for him to be defeated, it will require one of them drop out of the race and endorse the other?  I doubt that Santorum or Gingrich will actually drop out until all their money dries up, but you can’t beat Obama till you beat Romney.  It is my belief that Gingrich voters would flock to Santorum if Gingrich dropped out but that the opposite would not hold true if Santorum dropped out. 

  • MarkVII88

    By potentially putting Santorum on his presidential ticket as VP, won’t any reasonable person see this as continued pandering to those whose vote Romney couldn’t win during the primaries?  I guess that’s probably just what he would do since it’s completely in-character.

  • Roy-in-Boise

    We are watching the final stages in the redefining of the two major parties as LBJ predicted after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Currently the GOP is imploding under the weight of the (AstroTurf created) Tea Party which is a result of their outrage over the election of a non-WM to the Presidency.

    • Gregg

      That’s sick.

      • Anonymous

        Why? Because it’s not an opinion you like?
        It’s a valid opinion, not one I completly agree with, but it does hold some weight.

        • Ray in VT

          LBJ said something to the effect that supporting the Civil Rights movement cost the Democratic Party the south for a generation, and Zell Miller said that Johnson sold his birthright for a mess of dark pottage, and that sort of sentiment lead into the GOP’s Southern Strategy.

          • Gregg

            Remember when Zell Miller (a Democrat BTW) handed Chris Matthews his lunch for browbeating Michelle Malkin? That was a classic! I’ve gotta find it now.

          • Gregg
          • Modavations

            nice one.

          • TFRX

            Poor little Michelle Malkin: Another right-winger who can dish it out but can’t take it.

            And Zell Miller was a concern troll Democrat.

          • Gregg

            She didn’t complain but Zell is chivalrous.

            Zell Miller was a Democrat, you own him.

        • Gregg

          I will point it out anytime someone makes the blanket charge of racism which in itself is racist. Racism disgusts me.

  • Yar

    Al Gore failed to carry his home state on the top of the ticket, What are Romney’s chances of carrying Massachusetts in the general election?  I expect Romney can carry Utah but not doubt he carries Massachusetts.  Obama had 61 percent of the vote in 2008 to McCain’s 36 percent.

  • Sean

    It is now beyond obvious that we’re seeing the last, wretched gasps of the party of the white, male, and wealthy… in short, Republicans.

    They rallied their forces with fear and prejudice for one last election in 2010, now they will slowly fade into obscurity in a long, ugly demise.

    Undoubtedly we’ll see the rise of a second party of significance to challenge the Dems, and it will probably be a left-leaning party with Democrats representing a new center-right.

    Conservatism as it now exists will die by attrition, also slowly as baby-boomers and their parents die off.

    Maybe the world and our country will stand a chance after all…

  • Rex

    This GOP primary race reminds me a lot of the 2004 Democratic primary. No viable candidate to compete against the incumbent who has lost the excitement from the previous election.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Romney and Obama are 2 sides of the same coin. Obama has disappointed the left, Romney would disappoint the right. But either will continue business as usual and cater to the 1%.

  • MarkVII88

    I think a major reason Romney has seemed so inauthentic to-date this primary season is that he really is out of his element, trying to be a right-wing conservative.  He has to tell the right what they want to hear now so he can show his true colors and appeal to independents should he be facing Obama in November.  I doubt that the great divide between a candidate Romney and the president would be so great once Romney doesn’t have to pretend to be more than a moderate Republican.

    • TFRX

      Do you trust Romney, in the White House, to curb any of the crazy from the GOP’s leaders in Congress?

      He’s the kind of guy who won’t stand up to his “friends”.

      • MarkVII88

         I don’t think there’s any way that a President Romney could escape all the strings he would have attached as the price of attaining office.

        • TFRX

          Strings attached?

          I think that’s putting it too kindly.

          I don’t know that that caving would bother him, and if we’re talking about R-Money becoming the president, the Leader Of The Free World, and still unable to push back, we’re dealing with a person who really has spent too much time answering to an LLC or a Board of Directors and whose personality doesn’t seem to say “I should be the leader of a democracy”.

  • Patrickmclaug83

    Did anyone notice the outro playing Pink Floyd’s “Animals?” Was the irony intentional?

    • Jasoturner

      Almost certainly.  Savvy show.

  • Anonymous

    They just talked about Ron Paul. 

  • Modavations

    Just asking.Is there anything lower then having a fictitious picture of a felon posted on NPR.Ray from Vt., thinks this is cool.The reason you don’t find me on the internet is because Iam not a criminal,nor famous and prefer to stay that way.The Left has reached a new low.Ray I’m sure your mother is proud of you.

    • Ray in VT

      I merely searched the name that you gave, and that was the top result.  I don’t know you from a fencepost, so I just asked.  Since when is asking a question some sort of crime to you?  As far as I know the site is legit.

      You say it’s low.  I was just asking.  You sure are thin skinned.  And yes, my mother is proud of me.  I’ve come a long way in life from where I started.  I have a job that I love, a loving wife and some wonderful kids, and I’m not some sort of half educated fool who is ignorant of basic history.

      • Modavations

        While you are an embarrassment to your mother,you’ve made Joe McCarthy proud.

      • Modavations

        Your a liar.I goggled myself and nothing came up.You intentionally went to that sight and slandered me.Who even knew such a site existed except a punk.Lowest thing I’ve ever seen on this forum.Your mother would grab you by the ear,pull you into the barnand beat you.There’s nothing worse then McCarthyism,except being a snitch.I’m sure you’re one of those too.Karma son and yours is all bad

  • Sean

    There is a less euphemistic way of saying “Romney has ‘done’ the economy.”

    … we’ll hear it said plenty soon!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wes-Nickerson/100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

    Democracy is being subverted by the Boston Globe, which is withholding the Green-Rainbow Party primary election results in Massachusetts. It just goes to show that the Boston Globe represents the corporate media and not the people. Otherwise they would be reporting all of the news and not just what the corporations want them to report on. It is a deliberate news blackout.

    Green Party Watch
    http://www.greenpartywatch.org/

    Boston Globe Primary Results
    http://tinyurl.com/88pmu23

  • TFRX

    Can’t we get a economist, journalist, or liberal on this panel to talk about how running a corporation and running a government aren’t the same thing?

    Or is this just one of those “Nobody can talk populism against Mitt Romney from the left” unwritten rules?

    • Modavations

      Why,if he doesn’t spout your worldview you’ll call him illegitimate

  • BHA in Vermont

     Frankly, I think the Iranians would be MORE likely to drive hard toward developing nukes if a person who wants to “park battleships on their coast” were president. That is a DIRECT threat to Iran and I don’t think they will crawl under a rock in fear. I suspect they would go with the “the best defense is a good offense” strategy.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Those battleship has been in Straight of Hormuz since the cold war begun.

      • Modavations

        Where did these kids go to school?Say hi to Junior

    • Modavations

      The intention is to plant a half assed nuke in the Saudi Oil fields.The Arab States are as freaked as the Isrealis.My opinion

  • Sean

    “…trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see???”

    Yep, that’s about where BUSH left the deficit alright… 1.4 trillion/year!!

    • BHA in Vermont

       And 3 of the 4 Republican candidates “economic plan superior to Obama’s plan” would INCREASE that deficit by trillions of dollars. Only Ron Paul’s “cut government to the bone” plan would decrease the deficit.

      • Modavations

        Just cut 5% per annum till unemployement hits 5.5% ish.No need for draconian cuts

        • TFRX

          That austerity shit is just what the economiy needs right now, if the goal is to make the economiy as bad as possible while a Democrat runs for reelection. (And the GOP has cottoned to this.)

          We’ll just let the next Republican walk their talk, like they balanced all those budgets the last time.

          Oh, wait.

          • Modavations

            sh-t….You do have Tourettes.I disagree with your statement.We’ll pay 457Billion in interest on the debt this year.We could save NASA and the Post Office a million times over.5% cut per annum till unemployment gets to 5.5% is not draconian

    • Modavations

      Not close.$600 billion per annum,but still inexcusable

  • Amahl Harik

    People always talk about Romney’s supposed strength being “the economy.”. How about we actually look at that rather than taking it as a fait acompli? From what I see, he doesn’t have a single new idea in his head–just the same old, discredited trickle-down stuff that largely got us into this mess. Where’s this supposed acumen?!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Obama’s record – people forget that things were not just bad when he came in, they were crashing. We could have been looking at a 2K Dow instead of a 13K Dow. The candidates know that, which is why they’d rather talk about religion and contraceptives.

  • BHA in Vermont

    Mr. Ayres might want to change his choice of terms.
    DOWN SCALE voters and UP SCALE voters???
    Let’s just play the superior Rich White Guy card why don’t we?

    • TFRX

      With all the fetishizing of RealAmerica(TM) by the GOP and Beltway Inbreds alike, the real contempt these professionals have for the well-being of that segment of this country’s population is surprising.

      It plays out in so many policies covered up by so much rhetoric. The schism is only touched on by public radio once in a blue moon, and such observations are never a threat to the narrative.

  • Jim

    A lot folks talk about Ron Paul and the constitution, I don’t think a lot of them know is that the constitution means what the supreme court says it means. You have to look at what the court has decided, not just on the language of the document itself.

    • Ewingkj

      And abviously you do not know what the Constitution says.  No where does it say that it means what the Supreme Court says it means.  They, the court, are allowed to interpret it within the confines of the document.  They have like the other branches of government over steped their contitutional bounds.

  • emc

    No thinking person could support any of the current Republican candidates.  Santorum ignores — or at least doesn’t talk about — the complete pro-life position of the RC church (has he mentioned that his faith opposes the death penalty, nuclear weapons, and the US invasion of Iraq?  If he supports any of these, he’s just another cafeteria Catholic).  All of them are also loudly proclaiming their opposition to scientific evidence — how many are saying creationism or ID have no place in science curricula?  How many admit that global warming exists — anybody who thinks the science is weak can’t read.

     

  • Jamesdthompson

    tom:  The problem for the GOP is that Massachusetts Governor looks very phoney to them and to the general public.  He has lurched so far to the right to try and convince the GOP voters that he is a severe conservative he will have trouble with the general public at large.  The GOP base still does not trust him.  In fact, Romney is really a psuedo-Democrat based on his actual publc record…who denies voting for Ronald Reagan, who started mandaatory health care, voted for a liberal Democrat in 1992 for President-Paul Tsongas in the Democrtatic primary, called himself a “progressive” Republican when he ran for Governor in 2002.  When the coice is between the psuedo-Democrat and the actual Democratic candidate the real Democrat ALWAYS win.  Plus, President Obama just is more likeable that Mitt Romney and those Cayman and Swiss accounts are going to be a problem for any Presidential candidate in the general election.

  • RC

    Does Romney represent  Thurston Howell III or Richie Rich?

    • margbi

       Does it make any difference?

    • Steve

      Would Rick Santorum… be Gillegan?
      Ron Paul as the professor?

      Either way I am still going with Mary Ann.

      • Ray in VT

        But to continue with the analogy, then would that be Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin?

        • Steve

          either way the Minnow is taking on water and in for a fateful trip

        • TFRX

          When I think Bachmann or Palin, in real life, I think “a bit stuck-up, high maintenance, and not quite suited to the surroundings”.

          Neither one is Mary Ann. Either one could be Ginger, if Ginger had been in one action movie and convinced herself she had all the skills her stunt double possessed.

      • Gregg

         Obama can be the coconut.

  • TFRX

    Per Ayres: “We still have 60% of the people thinking things are bad.”

    It’s amazing that a Republican pollster, after 4 years of happy horseflop from Fox News, peppers so many of his statements with “people feel”.

    No, wait. It’s predictable.

    Can we get this show out of the mediascape vacuum? Almost half of the commercial media is a propaganda press with a mission to accomplish: The defeat a Democratic incumbent. Can’t this show operate with the cogniscent knowledge of this fact?

    And we also need a statistician to tell Whit Ayres that a 4-5% lead with a 4-5% margin of error is not the same thing as tied. This man’s a professional pollster?

  • Tina

    Anyone who agrees that Romney should repeal the Affordable Care Act while knowing that the “job creators” are just not creating jobs, is just NOT THINKING!  What in the world would these individuals do if they were suddenly diagnosed with a major illness or involved in a major accident?  Just as suddenly they would be in possession of a pre-existing condition (or several, perhaps).  If they think their taxes might go up to pay for the Affordable Care Act, they ought to consider how completely RUINOUS paying for major medical conditions is because insurance companies won’t cover the costs due to a pre-existing condition or two or more.  Clearly, either people are NOT thinking, OR, perhaps many of these “polls” are worded so as to bring more adherents to a cause just because of HOW the questions are worded.  The poll results become “the news”, and suddenly, Americans are swinging at non-existent thinking!  I’ve just gotten an instinct on this point; if someone thinks they can explain me better to myself, please feel free to do so.  Or, if the show’s producers can see thru my inarticulateness enough to realize that I’m on to something, I’d love it if you would do a show on how the polls produce “phantom” results that then become “the news”, taking the real issues off into the ditch.  Thanks!  

    • Worried for the country(MA)

       You pick out one popular provision to create your thesis.  The other 2700 of Obamacare are what is unpopular.  Also, people didn’t like the process in which it was created.  It wasn’t transparent.

      Most people don’t understand that Obamacare is unsustainable.  They used accounting gimmicks and $1T in increased taxes to make the books balance under the CBO 10 year rule.

      • Tina

         “Repeal” means repeal the entire act.  Within that act is protection from denial for pre-existing conditions, and, I believe, protection  from denial due to lifetime limits.  Some of us are ill enough that we cannot afford medically to be denied for either of these reasons for even one month.  There must be scores of thousands of citizens in this situation.  If Romney means something more moderate, I’d listen; but, “repeal” means “repeal”.  Thanks!

        • Tina

          I’ll restate HERE what I tried to post above to Modavations, so you won’t have to read it as a long skinny post.  I said:  I have no complaint personally.  I write in order to speak for OTHERS — especially my friends and others who are at a disadvantage because they have to HOPE that they can get individual, private health insurance.  Many have pre-existing conditions.  I’m really sick; they are really at a disadvantage by not having access to a group health insurance plan.  Obamacare can only HELP them, which I support!  It can only HELP me if I were to lose my group insurance.  I just put those two ideas together — as I’m sure happens in many many ACTUAL cases:  tres sick, tres disadvantaged.  

    • Modavations

      please retire Tina.EPA needs some good press for a change.In Ma.you could not be denied if you already had a policy,before and after Romney Care.Research the state you live in and move if not to your liking

      • Tina

        Move, with metastatic cancer?  I already did once to be closer to my cancer-center hospital.  Couldn’t do it now, though; not a single person would allow me to move until I must go somewhere to be taken care of.  Plus, my insurance does NOT go across state lines even for retirees.  I have researched that aspect of things.  I’m basically saying that people cannot imagine the amounts of the bills I am told the insurance is covering thru out the year for me.  The prices of each chemo treatment– each single four-to-five hour treatment — most people cannot possibly begin to imagine what the amounts are.  And those amounts are just for one, believe it or not, SMALL aspect of cancer care!  My friends who have to search around for individual insurance are always in  panics for any number of reasons, most especially their sense of powerlessness as they watch their premiums double and triple as they lose their jobs or their spouses or both.  Not everyone is a regular to this site.  I often don’t feel like writing the same thing again, but if some new people are noticing the postings, I want to make these important points.  Sorry, I’m too old to be twitter succinct.  I must ask:  EPA?  Environmnetal Protection Agency?  What does your EPA signify?  Thanks!  

        • Modavations

          Did you have insurance prior to your diagnosis.If so and you were booted,get a lawyer.

          • Tina

            No, I have not been booted; but, my insurance will NOT transfer to Massachusetts or any other state other than where I currently live; nor could my health afford a move there, nor could my support system follow me there.  The insurance is workplace based, so it frequently switches from one insurer to another with changes each time; and is dependent on employment.  I say Thank Goodness Gracious that I have it; yet, I yearn for insurance to be citizen-dependent.  I would much rather pay taxes that represent the true cost of the insurance, without profit added on top, and without the vagaries of business decisions from a myriad of business choices deciding what I can/cannot be eligible for.  Again, the people of Denmark and Sweden and Norway are SO happy and their health care/insurance is so well organized.  Let’s imitate them!  Only the extremely wealthy complain in those countries, just like in our country.  I guess it doesn’t pay to be super wealthy if you want emotional good health!  Meanwhile, they have  bright, vibrant citizenries!  Apparently both Canada and Sweden are investing more in science and technology R&D than the USA is!  Thanks!

          • Modavations

            Insurers hold a 2% profit at best.As for Europe they pay 50% tax rates and dail,y the welfare programs are being reined in.We’re all gonna die.If you over 60 you should face this fact.

          • Tina

            Modavations,  Your math is too rudimentary to apply here.  I first got my cancer diagnosis 18 YEARS AGO!  My dx of metastasis was 8 YEARS AGO!  The difference between my dying 18 years or 8 years ago is MY HEALTH INSURANCE!!! Many fatal illnesses are now managed, even when incurable, making “you die/you don’t die” the wrong criterion to use.  High taxes to pay for life would be the choice I would make; right now, too many people are in situations where they do not have that choice available to them.  In a country that brags about being the best, as ours does, this is totally unacceptable.  I mainly speak for those who are uninsured, using my own illness as the paradigm for illness; but using the unsung uninsured as the paradigm for where our sense of Good Organization needs to focus.  Thanks!

          • Tina

            I should have said:  The difference between my dying 18 years or 8 years ago OR NOT YET is MY HEALTH INSURANCE!!! 

          • Modavations

            What’s the complaint.Sounds like you’ve done well

          • Tina

            Nocomplaint.AsI said,I’m speakingFOR OTHERSwhohaveto hopetheycan get individual,private insurance. I’m really sick;they are really at a disadvantage:  I put the two ideas together!  Thanks 

          • Modavations

            Tina we’re all gonna die.Make your peace

          • Anonymous

            Damn, that’s cold.

          • Modavations

            Like when you told ACtodie

          • Tina

            I believe that one of our statewide insurers just posted an 8% profit.  I’m waiting for a call-back from business experts for the correct figure.  I’ll try to post when I learn more.  

          • Modavations

            The average is 1.5%.Give me their name I want to buy their stock

          • Alan in NH

             Goddamn it! Get on the ice floe and shut up.

      • Tina

        Oh!   I just got it!  There was a second poster posting as Tina the other day!  I wrote saying that I had been posting under this name for many years now, and asking if she’d mind changing her posting name.  It will be hard for us to find each other to work this out when there are so many pages of posts now (at least the way in which I post).  That other Tina works for the EPA, I believe.  I think that’s it!  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      if you saw Governor’s Patrick speech a month ago? he already answered your questions. 

      • Tina

        I do not live in Massachusetts.  I am not sure which speech of Patrick’s you are referring to.  If you can send me the link, I’ll try to watch it, tho my  computer needs more RAM; just send for it, etc.  Thanks.

        • Tina

          Sorry, I meant, “must send for it, etc.”

    • emc

       Die, of course.  For all their talk about being “pro-life,” these guys aren’t.  They don’t care about the life of anybody that’s been born.

  • Steve

    http://www.gregpalast.com/romneys-auto-bail-out-billionaires/#more-5739

    From Greg Pallast
    Mitt Romney connected buy-out artists

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    The Obama Care is not only for the Universal Healthcare for everyone but to create laws and provisions that Medicare law has already inacted. If there is a loop hole in the Medicare and Medicaid the Obama care will fix that problem.

    Even Mitt Romney decided to make the Massachusetts Universal Healthcare law into effect that reduced the cost of care in Massachusetts and covered almost everyone in my State.

    As far as I know the Universal Healthcare law is working.

    • Modavations

      Fax,my Blue Cross went from $7000.00 before Romney Care,to 10,200 per annum.Just for myself.The Boston Globe ran an article a few months ago saying Emergency Room usage hasn’t dropped an iota.The scheme was sold claiming rates would be reduced as well as Emergency Room usage.We need interstate competition and Tort Reform.We have 4 carriers who collude.We need four hundred companies competing.Newt says 800 billion is spent per annum in defensive medicine.He means defense against law suit,me thinks

      • Ndorf66

         800 billion per year in defense against lawsuits?  me thinks you need to check those numbers.  it is nowhere near that.  do you realize how much money 800 billion dollars is?  800 billion represents what…7-8% of our entire economy. 

        • Brett

          Thanks, Ndorf66! I thought lawsuits represented only about .1 percent of healthcare costs?

          • Ndorf66

             Yeah…it is something like that.  The number is tiny and the number that modavations is throwing out is simply false.

          • Anonymous

            Minnesota has some of the lowest malpractice costs for doctors. However, the cost of insurance in
            Minnesota varies widely by
            specialty. Internal medicine, general surgery and obstetrics are three
            of the areas monitored by groups such as the Government Accountability
            Office. As of 2009, the average cost for malpractice insurance for
            general surgeons hovered around $10,000 per year; for internal medicine, $4,000 per year; and for OB/GYNs, up to $17,000 per year. Malpractice liability insurance rates in California, on the other
            hand, depend largely upon demographics, so average rates may vary from place to place. Some of the largest insurers also deviate from one another widely in terms of how much insurance costs. At the low end, doctors in internal medicine may only pay $6,000 per year from premium coverage. However, in 2009, OB/GYNs could end up paying more than $55,000 per year for insurance coverage. Insurance for general surgeons can cost between $22,000 per year and $34,000 per year.

            As one can see, it depends on what kind of doctor and where you practice. I will $55K a year is a lot of dosh to part with for insurance.
            But then again, most surgeons make six figure salaries.

            Read more: The Average Cost for Medical Malpractice Insurance | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5514154_average-cost-medical-malpractice-insurance.html#ixzz1oSpZOm9l

          • Modavations

            I haven’t heard Dosh in ages.Where’s that from

          • Anonymous

            I picked it up in Scotland. I lived there for about 8 years.

          • Modavations

            Your confusing settlements with the expense of over testing.Again,Newt said 800Billion per annum.Don’t you get my point.This is the 3rd time.Lets experiment.Leave Ma. to market forces and let Ct.maintain tight govt.edict.What are you guys afraid of

          • Modavations

            Bro B..Thats not close.Your  figure is what is actually paid in sucessful law suits.The 800Billion is what Newt claims doctors needlessly spend in testing to insulate themselves from suits.I carry a policy that protects me in case a client gets an ear infection from wearing one of my earrings

          • Ndorf66

             the figure is close…the law suit idea is a myth.  not very shocking that newt would make such claims.  and again, the needless testing actually brings in a ton more revenue to the medical industry.  don’t act as if this is some sort of action done out of fear of being sued.  this isn’t some sort of charity that the medical industry is doing for us.  they are making a huge amount of money for needless tests.  they have an incentive  to give these tests just as doctors who pimp certain drugs have incentives for prescribing them and endorsing them.  i shall ignore your experiment comment as it is a silly challenge that we aren’t in a position to take up. 

            Below is an excerpt from an article dispelling the myth.

            ” The most impressive and comprehensive study is by the Harvard Medical Practicereleased
            in 1990. The Harvard researchers took a huge sample of 31,000 medical
            records, dating from the mid-1980s, and had them evaluated by practicing
            doctors and nurses, the professionals most likely to be sympathetic to
            the demands of the doctor’s office and operating room. The records went
            through multiple rounds of evaluation, and a finding of negligence was
            made only if two doctors, working independently, separately reached that
            conclusion. Even with this conservative methodology, the study found
            that doctors were injuring one out of every 25 patients—and that only 4
            percent of these injured patients sued.”

            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2006/07/the_medical_malpractice_myth.html

          • Modavations

            Argue with Newt.Pres.Obama’s Medicare chief said fraud and waste in Medicare could be up to 130Bill.per annum.I don’t read anything over a paragraph and you’re restating your points

        • Modavations

          800billion in needless testing to cover a doctors as-,according to Newt.15 trillionish is the size of the economy

          • Ndorf66

             that is an impossible claim to make, modavations.  doctors are given incentives to do needless tests and procedures because it earns their practice/hospital more money.  it is a conflict of interest just as it is a conflict of interest for a doctor to prescribe a drug that they give paid speeches on.  i have no doubt that the 800 billion number is wrong…but yes, billions are wasted on needless tests.  this is not due to fear of being sued though and as i stated, such a claim is really impossible to prove. 

          • Modavations

            Newt made it,I’m passing it along.Are you afraid to run the experiment?

          • TFRX

            Yep. They ain’t doing it for free. They gots a business to run. Just blaming it on OurLitigiousSociety(TM) is weak sauce.

            For those who haven’t read it, there’s a New Yorker article which is defacto background for any discussion of healthcare. Some folks are lucky to be in McAllen, TX.

      • Ndorf66

         Tort reform is totally overblown and interstate competition will do little to keep cost down.  All of the companies will simply go to the state that has the least amount of regulations.  We need single payer like most of the industrialized countries have.

        • Modavations

          800billion is not peanuts and of course competition will knock down prices.Let’s run an experiment.Will do it my way here and we’ll do it your way in Ct..

        • Gregg

          It is impossible to calculate how many test and procedures would not have been done if there wasn’t the fear of lawsuits. I’ve heard any where from 15 billion to a trillion. It’s hard to imagine why it was not even addressed in Obamacare…. well maybe not:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdpVY-cONnMInterstate competition, IMO, would help tremendously. It works every time. Geico and Progressive are examples in the auto insurance industries. The consumer wins. The problem is the 10th amendment which a lot of Republicans don’t want to talk about. A little bi-partisan teamwork under the leadership of a concerned President could get it done though.

        • TFRX

          Tort reform is unilateral disarmament.

          Unless every right-winger, conservadem, and Beltway Inbred is fluffing the idea that we should do something about the phalanx of lawyers that every corporation keeps on retainer.

          (Yeah, I’m not holding my breath on that last idea.)

          • Gregg

            Does the corporation called NPR get to keep theirs?

  • Modavations

    How many of you have had someone go on line.Find the photo of a felon sharing your name,intimate that it is you.Joe McCarthy is proud of you Ray from Vt.

  • TomK in Boston

    It’s going to be an amusing election. Assuming Willard finally gets the nomination, which is not at all clear if Newt drops out (obviously Santorum wd be winning if he was the only not-Willard), we’ll have the prospects of:

    1. The creator of Obamacare bashing Obamacare and trying to make phony, non-existent distinctions. Yee-hah.

    2. The greatest flipflop?
    Romney disclosed that he became committed to legalized abortion after a relative died during an illegal abortion. The disclosure came after Romney, who said he is personally opposed to abortion, was asked to reconcile his beliefs with his political support for abortion rights. “It is since that time that my family will not force our beliefs on that matter,” He said the abortion made him see “that regardless of one’s beliefs about choice, you would hope it would be safe and legal.”

    pursuing an extreme big gub’mint, anti-choice agenda.

    3. The best will be to see Willard’s Leveraged Buy Out (LBO) activities, sanitized as “Private Equity”, put under a microscope. He brags on his “business experience”, but I don’t think that the LBO “business” will look very good to most Americans. It’s actually the sort of thing that caused the 2008 crash, financial con games unrelated to making a product.

    4 more years of Rockefeller Republican Obama is looking like a sure thing, but there will be plenty of laughs along the way. Willard acting human. Willard explaining all the layoffs and bankruptcies caused by Bane capital, etc etc. 

    • Gregg

      I don’t agree with all the details of your comment but I think you have summed up well the problems Romney would face.

      It seems like Romney is Obama’s preferred opponent. If we assume any can win the nomination, which of the 4 remaining Republicans worry you the most against Obama? I ask with respect, there is no wrong answer.

      • TomK in Boston

        OK Gregg, no sniping.

        I don’t think Romney is the “favorite” opponent, I think the WH just thinks he will be the opponent so they take aim at him.

        I actually think Willard is the toughest opponent. The GoP primaries have pushed the candidates out to the extreme right, too far to appeal to centrists and get elected. However, Romney is the all-time chameleon. He can morph back into an earlier, more moderate version in a heartbeat, while the others cannot (and don’t want to).

        So the question is, can the glaring problems, like the inventor of Romneycare bashing national Romneycare, be offset by the appearance of compassionate moderate conservative Mitt? Assuming that’s his plan, of course.

        • Gregg

          Interesting, thanks. Politics suck, we probably agree on that much.

        • Modavations

          Hopefully we’re beating some sense into Willard.He better come up with some answers for displacing workers at Bains and an excuse for Romney care.That’s not the story though.If the economy is better and heading up Pres.Obama wins.If the economy is sinking and gas is $4.00-$5.00 he’s out

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Preferred opponent?  Why would Obama and Axelrod spend millions against his ‘preferred’ opponent over the the last 6 months and ignore all others?  The MSM continues these attacks by promoting negative stories, mostly on Romney.  An independent news watch agency and measured the rate of negative stories on Romney and it was a stunning 78%.

        Romney is the only candidate the Obama fears. What is amazing is the Santorum and Newt have leveraged the Axelrod attacks and adopted them as their own.

    • Dan Cooper

      I don’t think anything Mitt Romney has done can be the greatest flipflop when the Democrat in office is running a third Bush term, legalizing lifetime imprisonment without trial, rolling back EPA regulations already in place and hiding when collective bargaining rights are attacked after his ‘I’ll be puttin’ on my comfortable shoes and down here marchin’ with ya’ heartfelt speech.  Boy do I hate it when the President condescends to us by dropping his Gs because he thinks we’ll be able to understand him then.  The greatest flipflop any of us has ever seen is President Obama.  I frankly don’t know how a democrat should vote, since the President is probably more conservative and prone to changing his ‘beliefs’ than Mitt R.  The only thing tipping the scales in Mitt Romney’s favor is that he hasn’t failed as President yet, whereas we KNOW that President Obama lacks the character for the job.

  • Modavations

    Please note Ray from Vt.s post of 8;59″Mugshots”.This is the lowest thing I’ve r seen on NPR.Joseph McCarthy would be proud.Ray says I’m thin skinned.Please take a second and check it out

  • Gregg

    Obama is 40 miles South of me as we speak, I hate I missed it.

  • U.S. Vet.

    What are the chances that when Mitt Romney secures the GOP nomination, he’ll ask for the the endorsement of Rush Limbaugh?

    • Gregg

       He won’t have to ask.

  • Anonymous

    Hasn’t everyone been talking about limiting government spending?  Aren’t we all just tired of the deficit, the waste and the continuous trend of throwing money at the problem?  So Mitt Romney’s answer to getting elected is not budget conscious  
    nor is it economical.  Isn’t he doing what the Federal government is doing?  Throwing the most amount of money at the issue.  Could we expect any different if he is elected?

    • TomK in Boston

      I’m not “tired of the deficit”. It’s a concept, not something that anyone experiences in real life. Did you ever meet the deficit? Right now the primary role of “the deficit” is as bogeyman. The far right oligarchs think they can scare the middle class into giving up what little they have left by going OOH THE DEFICIT!!! Take a pay cut and let medicare become a groupon or THE DEFICIT WILL GET YOU!!

      • Modavations

        457 billion in intetrest payments this year.That’s a hell of a bogeyman

        • TomK in Boston

          Boo hoo, we can afford it. And just think, most of that interest goes to Americans, despite the hype about the evil chinese.

          We had a surplus and the GoP turned it into a deficit with tax cuts, wars, and an economic crash. How did the solution become squeezing the middle class? Seems to me it should be reversing what caused the problem: raise taxes, end the wars, and gvt spending to rev up the economy.

          Ryan wants to “save” medicare by making it so small that it won’t cover costs. That’s called looking out for our children and grandchildren in TeaOPese, ie denying them what we have is being serious and responsible. The only ones “saved” by that scam are his rich friends and corporations whose taxes stay near all time lows.

          Why not “reform” medicare so it pays for a few grande lattes? That would drastically cut expenses, and then it would be “saved” forever.

      • Dan Cooper

        It is exactly what you describe – for you.  It’s a concept you don’t need to worry about.  As long as you don’t have children or grandchildren, or you don’t care about your children or those of anyone else, there’s no real reason to get upset about the deficit – right you are.  Best not to worry about it and just use your kids’ lives to pay for your own, like Count Ugolino with his sons to eat.

        • TomK in Boston

          You really drank the Kool-Aid, Dan. Let’s look out for our children and grandchildren by denying them the medicare and SS that we take for granted, to keep big bad Mr Deficit away. With that kind of “care”, who needs abusers?

          • Dan Cooper

            Bill Clinton eliminated the deficit without destroying those programs.  To present the choice that way is childish.

  • Gregg

    Sarah Palin said she voted for Newt. I love Sarah Palin.

  • Gregg

    The Obama radical roots videos from Brietbart will be aired on Hannity tonight. Maybe he will be vetted this time around. I hope On Point does a show on it.

  • Gregg

    Female Democrat lawmakers refuse to condemn misogyny. Is anyone upset?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikW7ljSm3Fs&feature=player_embedded#!

    • Gregg

      Will anyone condemn this? If not, why?

  • Buddhaclown

    Conservatives claim the main reason they hate Obama is because of Obamacare . . . yet they are going to elect as their candidate essentially the guy who invented Obamacare.

    That says it all. 

    • Modavations

      Hate.What are you speaking about.When Pres.Obama was elected he had an approval rating of 70% and we all hoped for the best.I have to make a living regardless of the Presidents Party.Last year was the worst year I’ve ever had and this year seems as bad

      • Buddhaclown

        He’s doing a great job, only people who hate him think otherwise.

    • Gregg

      Life is too short to hate.

  • Modavations

    I hope the Breitbart/Hannity piece lives up to all the hype.I’m going to pop some popcorn

    • Gregg

      It’s just video proof of what we already know. Obama is a radical. It’s also going to call out the media who refused to acknowledge it. They covered it up. We see the results. 

      • Fredlinskip

         you’re right. Obama is a radical. He believes in evolution, climate change, compromise, diplomacy, tax increases for those who can most afford it in order to restore fiscal sanity (as do 70%+ of Americans) et al.
        This is way far left of America’s “middle” today.

        • Gregg

          I didn’t say that. He stewed in Rev. Wright’s church for 20 years, he launched his campaign in an unrepentant terrorist’s living room. He is a Saul Alinski devotee. And the media didn’t care. These are facts.

  • Modavations

    Ray from Vt is debating Laissez Faire economics with me.I tell him I’m of Ayn Rands bent.He says I’ve never read Ayn Rand.I said that;’s impossible everyone in the world has read her.He says I won’t read Atlas or Fountainhead because a right winger wrote it.I said that’s like me refusing to view the Mona Lisa because the artsist is a man/woman of the Left.I tell Ray you’re  a reactionary.Don’t talk to me until you’ve read her.Ever since he  follows me around commenting and asking questions.Like one of those foot long dogs jumping up to one’s waist yapping,look at me,oh p[lease Moda pay me some attention.

  • Modavations

    Today Ray from Vt goggled my name andfound nothing.He then went to a site listing felons.Who knew such a site existed,let alone visiting it.He found a man with my name and printed the photo.He had no concern that this may not be me.This is McCarthyism at its foulest.I have no gods,but I believe in Karma.You’ll get yours son

    • Ray in VT

      The foulest thing that I have ever seen on this, or anything any other NPR site is your ignorance.

      You don’t like what Google brings up, then go the Santorum route and whine to them about it.  You sure are all bent out of shape regarding my question.  I wonder if I hit too close to the mark.  Thou doth protesteth too much perhaps.

      McCarthy was a Republican slimeball, a liar and a drunk.  I’m not witch hunting anyone.  I had never heard of NAMBLA until you referenced them this morning.  Who would know about such an organization?

      My mother, although born a suburban girl, has lived on the farm long enough to know that sometimes you have to get right down in the gutter to deal with some things properly.

      I think that something is wrong with your keyboard.  All that I see is wwwwwwwhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa.  Aren’t you fond of saying that this is a culture war and that you’re not here to make friends?  The world can be rough, pal.  Get a helmet.

      • Modavations

        So let me get this straight.There are 300 million people in the USA.My name Is Fred D.Manning from Newton,Ma.I’m 60 years old.Graduated Newton North High in 1969.I went to B.C..My father owned an ad agency,there are two professors in the family.There are two doctors.It never dawned on you that I may  not be the man that you are accusing of being a felon.You have no problem with this.I’ll bet there are felons on that site with your name and anyone elses,for that matter.By the way who even knew this site exists,except perhaps,fellow felons.I don’t care what party McCarthy is from.What sort of excuse is that.These tactics are deplored by most,but your Karma will catch up

        • Modavations

          Excuse me,who hasn’t heard of NAMBLA?.I guess people who haven’t read Ayn Rand.You probably have the distinction of being the only one on NPR who has not read Ms.Rand.What’s worse you consider this a badge of honor.You are a reactionary.The type who joins the KKK,or wears a swatstike arm band.A lynchman

          • Ray in VT

            And you whine about people attacking you.  Sounds to me like typical projection.

            If I wanted to read a mediocre 20th century author who is deified by his or her followers, then I’d read L. Ron Hubbard.

            I tried Rand this weekend, but much like you and Seymour Hersch, I was out cold after a page.

            You sound to me like an immature little brat that never grew up.  Why don’t you go cry to your parents or your Swedish friend about how mean people are to you online.

          • Modavations

            This guy is the type who would lynch an innocent man.The screaming,mindless mob

          • Modavations

            Let’s look at this reactionary named Ray of Vt…He dismisses Prof.Lindzen,Sloan chair holder at MIT,astrophysicist from Harvard as knowing nothing about Global Climate Change.This reactionary named Ray,claim to fame was feeding a few cows

          • Ray in VT

            He also downplays the link between smoking and cancer.  I’m not sure, based upon that, that I would trust his judgement on climate change, even if he didn’t have a history of taking energy industry money.

            There’s more to be proud of in working to feed the nation than peddling a few trinkets.  Tell me another story about coming to Vermont to steal from the old mines.

          • Modavations

            Mr.Lychma,never in a million years would i post a picture of someone,call him a felon without proof.

          • Modavations

            So the Sloan Chair is invalid cause he smokes,says the Mr.McCarthy

          • Modavations

            You mean my girlfriend who you refer to as a street walker.What a reactionaryyou are,the man of the mindless mob.This is the type of man the KKK depended on to man the lynchmob.A Reactionary to the core

          • Ray in VT

            You make me smile.  Thanks for brightening my day.

            I love it when small people cast their arrows at me all day long.

            Isn’t it past your bedtime?  Don’t you have some Gunsmoke reruns to watch?

          • Modavations

            You smile like the lynch man after he hung an innocent man.Nice Ray,Nice

        • Ray in VT

          Calm down, son.  You’re sweating.

          I don’t know if any of that is true.  That’s the thing about the Internet.  Anyone can be who they say that they are or someone else entirely.  These days, someone may be a bot.  If you are a bot designed to spread flasehoods and nonsense, then mission accomplished.  Congratulate your programmer.

          You certainly don’t frame arguments in a manner consistent with someone with a decent college education.

          Seeing as how the site came up near the top of a Google search, then probably a lot of people know about it.  Feel free to inquire with them how many hits they get.  I won’t do your homework for you.  Also, I’m willing to bet that my name is not on that site.  It’s pretty unique.

          I’m not worried about Karma.  Asking you a question, which I do not believe that you have answered, is certainly far down the list of crimes from my life.

          • Modavations

            Screw you.I’ll bet your name is there,as well as most every poster on NPR .The difference between us is I that I was raised to consider all men innocent till proven guilty.

          • Ray in VT

            I’m very willing to bet that it is not.  So now NPR posters are mostly criminals?  Interesting theory.  Are you going to ask me about my sexuality next?

          • Modavations

            No,No,No Mr.Lynchman.My name is frederick Douglas Manning.I’m obviously from a civil rights family,pops was black balled and all that.The difference between us is the banyard.I was raised to think all men are innocent until proven guilty.McCarthyism was a crime most foul in the Manning household.Karma treats the foul most fouly

          • Ray in VT

            What was the punishment for being an ignoramus, and how often did your father break out the lash for your crimes?

            I don’t know if you’re guilty.  I was just making an inquiry.  Awfully touchy, aren’t you?

            I would much rather have been from the farm than the suburbs.  Life’s a lot better on the farm growing up.

          • Modavations

            You don’t know whether I was guilty,butput it out anyways

  • Origins23

    Obama cautions: “When I see the casualness with which some of these folks talk about war, I’m reminded of the costs involved in war. – This is not a game. And there’s nothing casual about it,” Obama said. “If some of these folks think that it’s time to launch a war, they should say so.” Is it not ironic that Romney who avoided military duty by going to Paris as a Mormon missionary is now rattling sabres to launch war on Iran?

    • Gregg

      When he said that, it griped me. Who is being “casual” about war? Who is even calling for war? It’s dishonest and stupid.

      The people of Iran were begging for Obama’s help in 2009 and he let the revolution die. He didn’t show an ounce of support at a time when regime change could have happened without war. Meanwhile, he called for Mubarek to step down almost immediately.

      He was the one who took the “casual” approach to Iran. He said it was a tiny county and no threat during the campaign. Now he’s blustering and no one, NO ONE, is quaking in their boots about it.

  • Roy Mac

    Tom:  Don’t know where you found this lightweight, Ayres, but he makes Continetti sound reasonable.

  • Fredlinskip

     What does it say about the quality of conversation on this comments
    page when the most “liked” comment in the discussion is one concerning lack of the quality of many of the posts.

       What most disappoints me personally is when “outrageous
    conversation” often having nothing to do with subject at hand, pushes
    way down the page and out of sight, worthwhile respectful thoughtful
    well-researched comments that really add to conversation at hand.

     
       But this is perhaps the intent of these “conversations”- to discourage meaningful understanding and debate of the
    issues at hand.

    (repeat- sue me)

    • Fredlinskip

      And now for a worthwhile respectful thoughtful
      well-researched comments that really adds to conversation at hand:

      Romney’s a goofball.

      • Ray in VT

        Today I am a big offender in that category I guess.  For some reason I just can’t let some bull go.  Today’s argument, though, is really brightening my day.

        My apologies to the On Point staff and the posters who have tried to have some decent conversations here today.

        • Fredlinskip

           It takes a man to make such an admission.

          I don’t expect Moda (Fred from Newton North High?)- to follow suit any time soon.

          • Ray in VT

            I really do try to stay on topic most days, but when I scroll down the page and see my Moda assigned moniker on a list of people his maligning for some reason I just can’t help myself.  When I see some obvious historical innacuracy in some comment of his, I just feel that someone needs to respond, and sometimes that’s me.

          • Gregg

            I have been called every name in the book on this blog. I have had commenter implore the moderators to ban me.  I have been told all my life of introspection is just brainwashing by the Rush/Fox monster. People have sworn I was a paid hack. One jerk used my name and writing style to impersonate me. I (and Moda) have been accused of engaging in homoerotic bestial acts. I would be so gone if not for my unwillingness to be bullied. That’s just what they want. I don’t care and I’m not complaining. I relish the opportunity to out liberals as the nasty shallow people they sometimes are. I get a rush out of slaying their talking points as civilly as possible.

            I am not opposed to passionate, partisan, heated argument as long as the debate is honest. My objective is to convince and I choose the manner which I believe gives be the best chance at success. Some have a different idea of the best way to do it. God bless them, they may be right. I don’t claim to know.

            I am not afraid to go to the belly of the beast to do so. This is it. The comments on this blog are not reflective of the pulse of America (or even the radio show to be fair). They are out of the mainstream but most here don’t realize that.

            I am happy to stick to the facts and remove emotion but it is not possible here. Why make it nasty and personal? Put us in our place (if you can) on the facts.

            I stand with Modavations.

          • Gregg

            Moda, when you read the above I want to reiterate what I said (and you scolded me for) on another thread. Ray is a good guy. Let it go.

          • Modavations

            No sweat

          • Modavations

            Ray is a premediated McCarthyite.Would you stoop to doing such a thing?

          • Ray in VT

            Thank you, Gregg.  I appreciate it.  I think that you’re a good guy too.

          • Ray in VT

            I will continue to stand against him most of the time.

            I agree with the bulk of your sentiments, and I appreciate your efforts, even if I disagree with you most of the time.

            Jerks come in all shapes, sizes, colors and political persuasions.  If one meets enough people, then one knows that that is pretty true.

            I know that I get out of line sometimes, but I try not to be the first one to do so, not that that makes it any better.  But when someone throws one my way, I’m willing to take a swing at it.

            I think that the thing that really gets me is the stuff that is just objectively wrong, and those are the things that I find myself responding to, despite me better instincts.

            At any rate, have a good evening.  Morning comes early.

    • Gregg

      When someone as hateful, mean-spirited and bitter as Jefe complains about the “quality of conversation” it carries zero credibility. Say what you will about Moda but he is not hateful, mean spirited or bitter. I see no reason why he should sit back while being vilified as he is and not hit back. Liberals always make it personal. The fact that people clicked “like” saddens me. Even Ray has turned nasty. So to answer your question, what it says is Jefe isn’t the only hateful, mean-spirited and bitter commenter on this blog. I think it is the result of the groupthink of the uncurious being fed by the likes of Media Matters and their minions (NBC, ABC and CBS).

      • Ray in VT

        You know, Gregg, I do try to keep it on the up and up.  I really do.  You can believe that or not.  It’s your choice on the matter.  We disagree, but I would sort of say that we get along.  In a manner of speaking.  But when it comes to getting called a “b-teamer” or getting derided for not wanting to read Ayn Rand’s fiction, then I’m going to respond, and I’m willing to participate in a rhetorical race to the bottom.

        • Gregg

          I hear you Ray but after my reply below I’m exhausted. I enjoy our debates.

          • Gregg

            I should add, there were a few times when I went on and on with Ultrax for pages. Way worse than what you are feeling guilty about. Way more. It’s time I can’t get back. It wasn’t worth it but it was my mistake. I own it.

          • Ray in VT

            Yeah, it’s time from my life that I won’t get back.  I should probably just make the smart choice and avoid these exchanges up front, but I can’t let things slide.  It’s an unfortunate trait that I inherited from my father, but it’s just a part of who I am.

        • Modavations

          Never in a million years would I even look someone up.The website is posted at 8:59.Check out the photo.Bty the way where is BUCKS cOUNTY.Is that Atlanta.AND i CAN GUARANETEE THAT i CAN PINPOINT EXACTLY WHERE i WAS DURING THE ARREST.bUT THAT’ all bull.This guy knew it was bull.

      • Fredlinskip

         We all have our “hair” days Gregg, and it’s okay to defend yourself, I
        suppose, but do these conversations need to go for pages at a time?

          Are people so lacking in their own self respect that they have to get
        “last word in” or they don’t feel fulfilled or something?

        Do people truly have such a lack of respect for NPR and the public forum they provide, for this to go on for pages?

        Is this what brings us all to this forum to promote lack of understanding and disrespect?

        I truly feel for those who come to this forum in an attempt to add a
        meaningful comment and then see it buried under a load of this ____

         

        Most probably take one look at this nonsense and decide they’ve better things to do with their time.

        • Fredlinskip

          I’m not a big fan of the 3 networks you mention particularly. I don’t tune in to “Biggest Fat Person” and American Idol” (although there’s worst vices), BUT IMO just as you apparently think I must be on drugs to think  Rush and Fox are Far right, it’s mind-boggling to me to think that you seem to believe the 3 stations you mention are part of a far-fluing liberal conspiracy. 

          • Gregg

            Read Byron York’s expose’ on Media Matters. There is evidence.

        • Gregg

          Fair enough Fred but it’s up to ALL of us.

      • Anonymous

        Zero creditably, mean spirited, bitter? What a load of self-righteous bunk. It’s funny how the right loves to turn around the whole agenda. As if they are victims when the language being used that is really offensive is mostly coming from them.
        You then dump on Media Matters because they don’t adhere to your right wing politics.

        Funny how you added NBC, ABC, CBS, which are all corporate entities. NBC is owned by GE/Comcast, ABC by Disney, and CBS was is owned by Viacom or some conglomerate associated with them. One could hardly call any of these corporations left wing entities. I mean Disney is left wing? Man oh man.

        You know what saddens me is intolerance and ignorance. Which I see a lot of on this forum. You call me mean spirited? What do call the right wing ideology you ascribe to that is based on demeaning others, and calling anyone who is not in your camp a socialist or communist. Or worse.

        Liberals always make it personal… Funny how it was Limbaugh who did that last week. I did not hear anyone on the left calling him a slut and a whore. When he was called on it you chaps in the peanut gallery dumped on the woman who did nothing but speak her mind in a Congressional hearing. The nerve of this woman. Who does she think she is, speaking her mind. It’s strange, but I thought being a citizen came with some rights.
        Apparently not.
        Oh wait, Gregg says she was an “activist” with an agenda. My response, so what. People have the right to be activist or not. They also have the right as citizens to speak their mind without being called names by so called “entertainers” such as Limbaugh.  And I have to right to point out the ignorance and intolerance that I see posted on the forum.

        If you find that mean spirited, then so be it.

        • Gregg

          Obama controls Media Matters and Media Matters control the networks. Tucker Carlson (I think I wrongly credited Byron York elsewhere) has exposed the internal email proof on the Daily Caller. Don’t bother being curious about just wait for your talking points.

          • Anonymous

            President Obama controls Media Matters. Media Matters controls the networks…

            I have to say this is some real serious stuff you are now bring to light. There is a secret cabal of left wing liberals that are controlling the networks through Media Matters, which in turn is controlled by President Obama. Who, in turn is being controlled by Lex Luther.

  • Modavations

    Go to Ray’s felon website and type in your name.See what happens

  • Modavations

    B the way moths ago Ray knew how old I was and knows I’m a Newton boy who went to Newton North and B.c..Even though his felon match,isn’t close he thought he’d be cute and post it anyways.These tactics are nice in Gulag Russia and Nazi Germany,but not the USA

    • Fredlinskip

       Hi there.

      • Modavations

        peace

    • Ray in VT

      I didn’t call you a felon.  I just asked if you were that same guy.  I think that you’re well versed in the tactics of thinking that a lie told often enough becomes the truth.  You try to practice it here every day.

      • Modavations

        This liar doesn’t even know what race I am.

        • Ray in VT

          Don’t know and don’t care.

      • Modavations

        peace

      • Modavations

        Absolutely not

      • Modavations

        Didn’t call me a felon huh,then Why did you post my name and that photo.You’re just as innocent as a lamb.The worst part is you know that wasn’t me,but chose to print it purposefully.Nice stuff kid.How do you know my race?.I purposefully never mention it?You are a McCarthyite .I love your excuse that McCarthy is a Republican and thus your malfeasance must be cool.Please take a second folks and check Rays photo.8:59 this morning.America used to extoll the presumpotion of innocence.Nice stuff Ray

  • Fredlinskip

    How ’bout a  Rush the Bimbo/ Joe the Plumber  ticket.

    Bring on GOP’s best!

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    It doesn’t matter who wins the GOP nomination.  Obama is OUT.

    Obama has run up historic budget deficits.  He been in office for four years and has had NO budget for each fiscal year during his tenure.  It is inconceivable that any President would allow this to happen.  He has proven that he doesn’t deserve another term.  He can’t blame Bush for his incompetence.
     

    • Gregg

      That’s the bottom line…. but the Senate would help.

      • Fredlinskip

         Actually bottom line is that American consumer spending is the driver of majority of American economy.
        As the wealth is funneled towards the top, as it has for most part since Ronnie; the wheels have been coming loose on our economy. W put process on steroids.
        No one needs to make a thousand times what someone else makes as much as this has been glorified in America for so long. It’s not about fairness or jealousy, it’s about common sense.
        If someone makes those kind of salaries they need to be taxed in such a way that they give back to the country that has done so much for them.
        Trillions of national debt are not going to be cut by cutting out folks food stamps.
        IM humble O.

    • Fredlinskip

       From 1960 through 2008, every Republican president has increased the debt/GDP ratio and every Democratic President has decreased it.
      So much for GOP fiscal “conservatism”.

      I cut Obama some slack because many economists believe that drastic action had to be taken to avert possibly a 2nd great depression. Austerity, IMO, is not the answer during a recession. Paying down debt is what should be happening in times of fiscal strength.
      When W ‘s economy was in position of strength his administration decided that “feeding the rich” was the highest priority.
      As depression took hold Roosevelt moved away from austerity, and our economy made a slow but steady comeback.

      I blame W for a lot. Many Americans were so blinded by their “patriotism” after 9/11, they failed to recognize what his admin was doing to our country with his perpetual “War on terror”, war on our environment, War on science, and War on anyone who wasn’t a member of the “top few percent” club.

      IMO
      You’re entitled to your own.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

         I’m not arguing Keynesian economics.  Punting on the budget is incompetence, plain and simple.  You could argue stalemate for the past two years but that doesn’t excuse the first two when he had  solid Dem majorities in both houses.

        The stimulus was badly mismanaged.  Much of the money was flushed down the toilet and we have nothing to show for it.  Also, deficit spending is also a form of stimulus.  However, when it is not targeted it has little growth effect.  Under Obama, we’ve had about $6T in stimulus with very little economic growth to show for it.

        I understand he was ‘dealt’ a bad hand (no one forced him to take the job) but he is incompetent.   He either hired poor advisers or didn’t listen to them.
         

        btw – your feeding the rich W. argument is bogus.  75% of the Bush tax cuts went to the middle class and below.  Bush had plenty of hand outs and had budget deficits that were stunning.  Obama’s deficits are at least 4-5 worse than Bush’s worst year.

        • Fredlinskip

           Appreciate your respectful and reasoned response.
          Wish I had time to debate.
          Need get to work.
          To your last point- W ‘s economy was ballooned out of proportion by the largest bubble since the roaring 20′s.
          Still for all that, his administration couldn’t find reason to pay down National debt.
          Glad your optimistic that a GOP Prez will now find a way to do so, even though no GOP administration for past 50 years plus has done so.
          Why? In a big part it seems all about lowering taxes on those at the top.
          “All taxes bad” is a great campaign slogan for those who’ve never bothered to ever research the subject- but in long run IMO, this philosophy devastates American economy.
          W’s economy was bolstered by huge credit bubble; As in- everybody spent, whether they had the $ or not.
          Obama’s economy was crippled by the fact that after bubble burst consumers didn’t spent. Consumer spending is largest factor driving economy.

          I also agree Obama administration wasted a great chance to do much more with his “political capital” at beginning of his term and Dem majority in Congress. I think much of that capital was squandered on Health care debate. GOP did all they could, with some success, to make that Obama’s “Waterloo”. Obama had much on his plate at the time.

          And as we all have seen with the abuse of filibuster rule, majority in Senate means a whole lot less than it once did, or what was intention of the framers of our constitution.
          Good day.

      • Modavations

        when reagan left office debt to GDP was 3%,picture perfect.Under Carter it was 2.8%.Under Pres.Obama it is over 10%

        • Fredlinskip

           Reagan tripled national debt.
          Need further research the GDP claim.
          Gotta get to work.
          Nice day.

          • Modavations

            It’s the percent that counts.If you triple GDP you can triple the debt.3% is picture perfect.Reagan doubled tax receipts and created 17-20 million jobs.Pres.Obama has created or saved 3 million jobs.He invented this concept of jobs saved.Pure invention

          • Fredlinskip

             Moda,
            Under Reagan jobs increased 16 mil.
            16 mil.
            Nothing to sneeze at.
            but 16 mil
            Under Clinton admin more jobs created than 20 years of Reagan, Bush Sr, & W combined.

        • Fredlinskip

          George W. Bush increased US debt as % of GDP by 27.8%, the largest of any administration in history.
          Second was Ronald Reagan at 20.6%.
          Third was George H. W. Bush at 13%.

          GNP grew at mediocre rate of 2.6% under Reagan- compared with 3% under Carter- that DESPITE interest rates having been cut to 1/3 what they were under Carter (which had nothing to do with Carter and all to do with Volcker)

          From 1960 through 2008, every Republican president has increased the
          debt/GDP ratio while every Democratic President has decreased it.

  • Fredlinskip

    Can anyone point to a time in American history when lowering taxes on the wealthy coincided with lowering national debt (with exception PERHAPS when we were in midst of a huge  bubble (party before a crash)??

    Or like climate change denial, to GOP, facts simply don’t matter.

    • Modavations

      jfk

      • Fredlinskip

        Apparently you are correct. JFK admin decreased tax rate on highest earners down from 91% and in 1962 US debt decreased. That would be the only year in past 50(+) years that decreased taxes corresponded with lowering debt.

        Lesson learned?
        Apparently 91% may have been a bit high.
        Let’s bring back the 70% rate so that we can again get a handle on our national debt. 

  • Modavations

    So Ray from Johnson, Vt,hope you have your hard hat.Ray  with three young kids.Ray whose brother is a dairy farmer.Ray from Vt who works in a music factory.I might call Piano Lifestyles,I may call Metropolitan Music,Maybe Green Mt.Drum.Maybe I’ll justcall my mates in Johnson,Stowe,Morrisville .It will take me 5 minutes to get your name.Then maybe I’ll call your boss and tell him your on NPR all day.Maybe I’ll discuss your McCarthyite(I’ll bet the boss detests a snitch) tactic,maybe I tell him your stealing inventory.Maybe I’ll tell him you’re mean mouthing his product.Hope you have a hard hat.I’ll discuss it with my girlfriend,the one you call a Street Walker.I’ll let her decide

    • Hidan

       give it a rest and take off the hood and go outside. I understand boston is scary to a older person like yourself with all those blacks and all.

      • Modavations

        Do you approve?.I don’t think I’ve ever seen you go to such lengths

      • Modavations

        Did you read the Moynihan report after the spike in illegitmacy rates in the black population doubled.He called it the the unintended consequence of LBJ’s war on poverty.I’m sure your knee jerk opinion would be to call him KKK.What is your opinion about school vouchers.

    • Fredlinskip

       As per Moda’s request (former thread), Gregg can you please lend some horses and set up a jousting match between Moda and someone of choice so Moda might get his “rocks off” in some other venue than this and spare us all comments such as above.

      Thanks,
      Sincerely
      Fredlinskip

      • Modavations

        Talking to my lawyer is more like it.Let me ask you Fred,would you go to a felon website and post the picture of a felon with the same name as your nemisis?What’s worse,would you post the picture even though you know it’s not your target?And also,who in their right mind would even know about such a site

        • Ray in VT

          Give it a rest, dude.  I do have someone whom I consider to be a nemesis, but it’s not you.  You’re not worth that much of my time.

          • Modavations

            Actions have consequences

          • Ray in VT

            What’s the charge?  That I’ve sullied your good name on this forum.  For that to be the case, then you would have to have a good name here to begin with.

          • Modavations

            yes

          • Modavations

            keep it up,

    • Anonymous

      You sir are stepping over the line.
      I hope the producers of On Point are paying attention.

  • truth in reporting

    It’s pictures like the one above that show the subtle hints of left-wing bias. Mitt just won 7 states on Super Tuesday, yet you choose a picture of him looking weak and leaderless. I’ll bet my house, car and kids whoever chose this picture voted for a democrat the last election. It’s why NPR is laughed at by 50% of the people as a credible news source. OnPoint should be better than this. 

    • Roy Mac

      Eye of the beholder and all that.  NPR is laughed at by 10-15% of the electorate; about 1/4 as many as those who laugh at Fox News for the same reason

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