Weighing The Iranian Threat

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March 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Weighing The Iranian Threat

Israel, the U.S., and the clash of two different threat assessments on Iran and war. Which way will this go?

President Barack Obama meets with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Monday, March, 5, 2012, in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington. (AP)

Things are getting very sober on the Iran front. On the question of war and peace and Iran. War and peace and nuclear weapons. Yesterday, President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sat side by side in the White House laying out their positions.

They did not sound exactly the same. The president says Iran must not have nuclear weapons, but there is a window of time for diplomacy. The Israeli leader said time is running out. An attack is on the table. Who will decide? How? And for whom?

This hour, On Point: the U.S., Israel, and the way ahead on Iran.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

David Sanger, chief Washington correspondent for the New York Times.

Michael Makovsky, foreign policy director at the Washington think tank, the Bipartisan Policy Center. He heads the organization’s Iran project. His recent Weekly Standard op-ed on Iran is here.

Graham Allison, is director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs and Douglas Dillon Professor of Government at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government.

From Tom’s Reading List

Washington Monthly ” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, mindful of the U.S. electoral calendar and the possibility that Barack Obama might pull off a victory in November, may see a temporary opportunity to precipitate a conflict in which a preelection U.S. president would feel obliged to join in on Israel’s side.”

Foreign Policy “With an Israeli strike imminent, Obama must select between two courses of action. First, he can attempt to forestall war by joining and reinforcing the Israeli military threat against Iran, in the hope that such a strong commitment will convince Iranian leaders to open their nuclear program to full inspections, or risk losing it to bombing. ”

The Atlantic “In the most extensive interview he has given about the looming Iran crisis, Obama told me earlier this week that both Iran and Israel should take seriously the possibility of American action against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “I think that the Israeli government recognizes that, as president of the United States, I don’t bluff.” He went on, “I also don’t, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say.”"

Hidan

Greenwald Points the below out

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/03/iran_threats_and_the_un_charter/singleton/

Regardless of how one wants to rationalize these threats of an offensive military attack — they’re necessary to persuade the Israelis not to attack, they’re necessary to gain leverage with Iran, etc. — the U.N. Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory, explicitly prohibits not just a military attack on another nation, but also the issuance of threats of such an attack. From Chapter II, paragraph 4:

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

A few other related points: (1) the U.N. Security Council in 1981 harshly condemned the Israeli air attack on Iraq’s nuclear power facility as a “clear violation of the Charter of the United Nations and the norms of international conduct”; that Resolution also “call[ed] upon Israel urgently to place its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguards” (via MediaLens, which notes that “even the US didn’t abstain”); (2) former Obama Pentagon official Colin Kahl argues today that, contrary to conventional wisdom, the 1981 Israeli attack on Iraq made Iraqi proliferation more likely, not less likely; (3) a cartoon from VastLeft on Obama, Iran and sanctions; and (4) Chris Toensing of the Middle East Research Information Project has an excellent article rebutting the claim (issuing from the predictable circles) that Obama is not to blame for the sky-high tensions and possible war.
Hidan

Americans should also ask themselves.

-Is higher gas prices worth it for Americans to appease Israel’s Right Wing paranoia?
-Is puting American young men and women worth it to appease Israel’s Right Wing Paranoia?
-Is cutting food aid, oil aid, Street lights, teachers,fireman,police, worit it to appease Israel’s Right Wing Paranoia?
-Is ballooning the American deficit worth it to appease the Israel Right Wing Paranoia?
-Is the special relationship worth it with an state that see it’s minority as an demographic threat mainly base on not being the right religion?

Now ask about the logic in Iran attacking Israel or Israel attacking Iran?,

-Israel has an 20% non-Jewish minority up to 50% including the WestBank and Gaza
-Wouldn’t Iran have to destroy there only allies in the region since for Iran to wipe out Israel it would have to wipe out all Palestinians including Hamas?
-Wouldn’t Israel attacking Iran be a act of war?
-Wouldn’t Israel attacking Iran push iran to get a bomb?
-Wouldn’t Israel attacking Iran consolidate the people behind it’s leaders
- Why doesn’t’ Israel allow the IAEA the ability to inspect it’s own Nuclear facility or sign the NPT?
-How is the Israeli leadership not irrational when there talking about attacking Iran knowing full well it could bring down the world economy and place Americans at risk?

It’s also been noted general Dempsey has caution on attacking Iran among many other military official and should be noted that the U.S. military for what it’s worth are being mostly ignored by our politicians who always claims to be listening to what they have said.
- Hidan
  
  -Is puting American young men and women in harms way worth it to appease Israel’s Right Wing Paranoia?
  - GradyLeeHoward
    
    Troops hell, this could fry the whole ball of wax.
    We all coexist on the same planet.
Hidan

Michael Makovsky

Michael Makovsky is the director of the National Security Initiative at the Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC), a group founded by several former senators, including George Mitchell, Bob Dole, and Tom Daschle. Despite his apparent bipartisan credentials, Makovsky is a hawkish partisan on Middle East policy, especially on Iran. Closely associated with many neoconservative figures, Makovsky worked in the Donald Rumsfeld Pentagon under Douglas Feith as an advisor to the notorious Office of Special Plans. Before joining the George W. Bush administration, he worked as an energy market analyst for trading companies.His brother is David Makovsky, another neocon, is the “Ziegler distinguished fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP)”.[1] Michael Makovsky acquired an Israeli citizenship[2], served in the Israeli military, and he spent some time in a West Bank settlement. He also befriended Yigal Amir, the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin.[3] Justin Raimondo adds: “He was reportedly a member, in his student days at least, of the neo-fascist “Betar” organization, which has a military structure (members wear uniforms, and engage in “drills”) and calls for a ‘Greater Israel.’”[3]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Michael_Makovsky
- Hidan
  
  The Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC) is according to itself:
  
      BPC was formed to develop and promote solutions that would attract the public support and political momentum to achieve real progress. The BPC acts as an incubator for policy efforts that engage top political figures, advocates, academics and business leaders in the art of principled compromise. In addition to advancing specific proposals, the BPC also is broadcasting a different type of policy discourse that seeks to unite the constructive center in the pursuit of common goals.[1]
  
  BPC was formerly named the National Commission on Energy Policy (NCEP), but the organization changed spots in 2002 (when the organization sought to position itself to lobby on a wider range of issues, especially foreign policy.
  
  The proliferation of important titles like “Senior, Executive, President, etc.” should alert one to the fact that this is a lobbying organization with a secondary role of providing a sinecure to out-of-office government officials.
  
  Hawkish on… Iran
  
  One of the means for BPC to propagate its views is to place Opeds in the major newspapers. Philip Giraldi, the former CIA officer, comments on BPC:
  
      The Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC) is surely one of the more bizarre pro-Israel think tanks doing business in Washington. Its sage advice pops up here and there, most recently in The Wall Street Journal, where it advocated giving Israel tanker aircraft so its warplanes can fly to Iran, bomb the hell out of that country’s nuclear facilities, and make it safely back. The BPC’s National Security Project is headed by Charles Robb, a former senator and governor from Virginia and living proof that you can fool most people more than once. Robb argues that enabling a devastating Israeli attack on Iran would create a credible deterrent to Tehran’s misbehavior and maintains that his judgment is derived from a “fact-driven consensus.”
      …
      The BPC claims to be bipartisan because it includes both Democrats and Republicans, but that does not mean that it is objective. More than three years ago it produced a “task force” report on the Iranian threat called “Meeting the Challenge: U.S. Policy Toward Iranian Nuclear Development.” It concluded that Iran has no right to enrich nuclear fuel for any purpose and predicted that Tehran would have sufficient highly enriched uranium in a year’s time to build a bomb. It advocated talking to Tehran to give it a chance to surrender on all key issues before attacking it, and it urged newly elected but not yet inaugurated President Barack Obama to build up forces for the assault. The task force recommended that the U.S. military should, after bombing Iran into submission, remain in the area, vigilant and ready to react to any attempt at retaliation by Tehran.
  
  http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bipartisan_Policy_Center
Ellen Dibble

You can watch Obama and Netanyahu’s 7:49 minute press show-up at whitehouse dot gov, apparently before they talked. Netanyahu, from my understanding, said pretty much what Shimon Peres was saying at the 92nd Street Y in a public interview there last Thursday with Charlie Rose: that Israel is all about returning self-determination to the Jewish people, that against all the odds, Israel will insist on this; against all threats. Being able to do this independently, unassisted, by themselves, is what Israel is all about. Apparently Israel is not about alliances. �
So I’ve been thinking about this. And Netanyahu says the same thing as Peres. Israel apparently can’t be anyone’s patsy and still be true to its identity. Something like that. So I’m wondering who is this puppet-master that is threatening Israel with telling them what to do? (Does nuclear instant assured destruction effectuate that?) Further, I hear from Netanyahu from that WhiteHouse dot gov piece that Israel and the USA are the little satan and the great satan (vis-a-vis Iran), that we share the same values (really?) and we share the same enemies (really?). I’m thinking, oh, I hope not. I sincerely hope not. And I kept noticing the soles of Obama’s two shoes propped up on his coffee table, and wondered if he was suffering from a circulatory disorder like phlebitis from too much airplane sitting, till it appeared those rough, meteor-colored soles were actually microphones, bopping around nervously in place. What Obama said was that America cannot risk a nuclear arms race in so sensitive a part of the world, where administrations can link elbows with terrorists and so on, and meanwhile so many of us still use oil. Somehow we have to woo the Iranians to want democracy more than war, more than jihad. Good start, sitting them in the “time-out” corner, right? Say please?
- Hidan
  
  Don’t you find it alittle funny that Netanyahu is claiming Israel must do things on it own yet. Netanyahu and Israel firster supporters are pushing for the U.S. to attack Iran?
  
  Also notice “self-determination of the Jewish People” as if Israel didn’t have a 20% non-jewish minority. excluding 20% of the population cause there not the right religion doesn’t sound to me like an value we multicultural Americans would value.
  
  Why not say the people of Israel or the Israeli people? It’s akin to the President or former when referring to the American people saying the White Christian State of American. If such were to happen these same people calling Israel the Jewish state with little regard to it’s minority would be fighting tooth and nail to say how American is a Secular state and should represent all Americans.
  
  But that’s not the case and the Reasoning for using “Jewish state” instead of “Israeli state” is because there quite frankly racist and don’t see it’s non-jewish population as being part of Israel even going so far as to label it’s own minority citizen as an demographic threat. I like to point out not all Israeli are racist but many in the current government clearly are along with many in the opposition. But there’s many Israeli fighting against such discrimination like many did in the 1960′s to give equal rights for all no matter the race/religious view. It should tell people something when the Israeli government are fighting against Human Rights groups, disallow civil marriages and see it’s fellow citizens are a threat that needs to be rid of(see Avigdor Lieberman)
  
  Can you imagine a politician let alone the president or speaker calling Latinos/blacks a demographic threat? Though this view was widely held in the 1960′s and before it is not a value that Americans would get on board with.
  
  It’s an insult to Americans when one who promotes an ethnocracy and promotes an homogenous society is compared to the multicultural American where all are valued no matter the race/religion.
  
  But it does hold many of the values of the Afrikaners ‘s of south Africa during Apartheid and the strom thurmond of the Jim Crow South. The beliefs on marriage nearly mirrors each other.
Hidan

David E. Sanger

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_E._Sanger

Just like during the lead-up to the war against Iraq in 2003, the New York Times has lent itself to push for a war against Iran. In 2003, the hoax of Iraqi WMD was pushed as the justification for war; in 2011, the same justification is being used to push for a war against Iran. In 2003, Judith Miller played the ignominious role of hyping Iraqi WMD; in 2011, it is David Sanger who is the lead Iran-WMD-hyper. No matter how flimsy the evidence, and no matter about its dubious provenance, it is all acceptable fodder for Sanger and his editors at the NYT. Launching an attack against Iran has been a constant drumbeat by the Israel Lobby in the US and Europe, and the NYT together with Fox News play a leading role of pushing this agenda.[1]

A few days after Ehud Barak, the Israeli Defense minister, admitted that Iran was not pursuing a nuclear weapons program, the New York Times ran a series of articles slighting Barak’s assertion all the way to confirming the opposite, i.e., that Iran was actually pursuing such weapons program. Sanger was key in the NYT’s drum beating, and this is what Ray McGovern, the former CIA senior officer who briefed several US presidents, had to say of Sanger’s articles:

Next it was time for the Times to trot out David Sanger from the Washington bullpen. Many will remember him as one of the Times’ stenographers/cheerleaders for the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in March 2003. An effusive hawk also on Iran, Sanger was promoted to a position as chief Washington correspondent, apparently for services rendered. In his Jan. 22 article, “Confronting Iran in a Year of Elections,” Sanger pulls out all the stops, even resurrecting Condoleezza Rice’s “mushroom cloud” to scare all of us — and, not least, the Iranians. He wrote
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2 Pro War 1 against. And people call NPR Liberal.

But kudos for having Walts on.
Shaman

1. The USA is in NOT ready for another war.�
2. Bombing Iran will NOT stop Iran from building nuclear weapons.

Obama is nuts to say “Containment is not an option”

Bombing Iran would be the beginning of World War III – for no reason!
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Besides, Iran will never bomb Israel with nuclear weapons because that would destroy the entirety of the holy land including everything that is near and dear to muslims.

All this war talk is nuts.
- Cory, Lord of the Nerds
  
  The only part of your post I’m not sure about is this starting WWIII. It will at least cause massive economic suffering for the average American in the form of gas prices
  - GradyLeeHoward
    
    And chow prices.
- GradyLeeHoward
  
  Heck, we’re “ready fer sum futtbawl” every Sunday!
  Seal Team Six just whooped them Transformers!
  Tiger Woods was flying the drones.
  (All information here courtesy News Corp. and Limbaugh.)
Shaman

If you think our recent wars were unpopular….Just wait til the American people – who have not been paying attention to this yet – suddenly hear that we are going to war with a serious country like Iran.

Support Israel, yes. �
But…what kind of ally has Israel really been to the USA?Where is that peace deal we told them we needed them to ink with the Palestinians?
- Jasoturner
  
  Google the U.S.S. Liberty for some interesting history. I am not pointing blame, but it is a very telling incident.
  - Hidan
    
    Or google the “Lavon Affair”
http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

Typically, the subject is Israel, so Hidan has flooded the page with quotations, but will he stick around for the discussion?
- Hidan
  
  typical greg’s asinine question.
  - GradyLeeHoward
    
    He delivered food for thought.
    But you’re on a diet.
Christian

Netanyahu announces Israel’s pan to “wipe Lebanon from the map”
http://www.infowars.com/netanyahu-announces-future-plan-to-wipe-lebanon-off-the-map/

Israel is the real threat to Middle East peace, NOT Iran which has not attacked another country in more than 200 years.
- Christian
  
  I meant type plan, not pan.
Alan

The Americans would not dare to upset the Israeli’s, especially in an election year. I think we all know that Bibi does not really respect Obama or the Americans for that matter and is willing to, “Throw the Americans under the bus” for israel’s agendas.

The israelis are calculating we can cause the Americans much more damage if they do not support us, such as destroy their financial system.
- mary elizabeth
  
  The Israelis want nothing more than to see President Obama out Bibi learned early on that the Dems and Obama would not do his bidding at the snap of a finger, so he courted the Repubs who he has under his thumb and always has. The long term damage to the world for a strike on Iran matteres little to the narcissistic Bibi.
  - aj
    
    morninmaryelizabeth, your description of the Republican party is accurate, but it seems to me that the Democrat party is primarily headed and financed by very wealthy Zionist(dual-citizens). No?
    �
    wondering had u seen 60 minutes Sunday? cyberwarfare under way by the US/Israei’s aimed at Iran?
    �
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7400904n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel
    �
    An act the Pentagon has said -as a matter of security policy- if were to be done to US, would warrant retaliation with conventional military means. Not to mention the oil embargo we have implemented. would this not constitute a low-level covert war underway already, with the potential to boil over?
    �
    certainly not diplomacy,..in my humble opinion, et tu madame?
  - Gregg
    
    How about the “long term damage to the world for a strike” on Israel from Iran?
    - GradyLeeHoward
      
      Maybe we need another ‘nother Pearl Harbor? (9/11 II) Maybe it’s in the works. As if climate change tornadoes weren’t bad enough. Look our Taylorsville!
AC

what is our relationship with Isreal? I know it’s friendly, but i thought there was some contention over beef and citrus trading awhile back?
Also, I’m still confused with how Isreal is allowed to have Nuclear weapons without declaring them?
& personally, as long as Ahmadinejad leads Iran, I don’t blame anyone for being paranoid. That man seems like a loud-mouthed lunatic….i def think he’d cut off his nose to spite his face, he seems that unbalanced to me….
- aj
  
  I am of the opinion, that they declared them when they detonated an nuclear warhead in the south Pacific in 1979.
  
  Also the “israeli” scientist who had whistleblown about the extent of the regime’s weapons program in the mid-80′s. The program was so advanced to the point of being in possesion of deployable Neutron warheads! A device Carter and Reagan nixed from the US program because of its implausibility.
  
  The whistleblower remains in custody a la Bradley Manning.
  
  Kennedy had spent his 1000 days in office doing everything he could to prevent the Apartheid state from attaining nuclear weapons. This was before the NPT framework and the IAEA. So instead, in exchange for top secret and complimentary fighter jets from Uncle Sam, Kennedy sent U.S, inspectors to verify the nuclear weapons program had seized a la Iran presently. What did our nearest dearest ally do in response to the US officials visit?
  
  They kept the fighter jets, and lied to the US officials and gave them a deliberately misleading tour, covering up their actual research facility. Keep in mind this was 10 years before they actually had a weapon.
  
  After France finished conspiring with them and subsidizing “Israel’s” illegal program. Secretary of state Henry Kissinger a Zionist war criminal himself, was all to happy to change US foreign policy, and go along -wink wink- with the criminal regimes illegal nuclearc weapons capability.
  
  After that throughout the 80′s, the self-ascribed theocratic militarist illegitimate Tel Aviv empire were all to happy to continue their R&D of nuclear weapons with the rogue, hideous, criminal apartheid regime in South Africa (birds of a feather) long after the rest of the world had completely cut them off from international legitimacy, his holiness Ronald Reagan notwithstanding.
  
  Security Council Resolution 687, that ended the first Gulf War, requires a weapons-of-mass-destruction-free zone in the Middle East. Israel, which reportedly has an arsenal of 200-300 nuclear weapons, stands in violation of that resolution. A poll was taken in which 65 percent of Israeli Jews think it would be best if neither Israel nor Iran had the bomb, even if that means Israel giving up its nukes.
  
  This is the history, and the current context that will not be provided for you, from U.S. media programs, such as the Mrs. Greenspan’s (aka Andrea Mitchell a well known Zionist). Hmmmm…..? I wonder why?????
  - aj
    
    Correction: ceased NOT seized (4th paragraph)
    - Modavations
      
      Don’t worry no one will read it anyways.Verbal Diarrhea
      - aj
        
        lol
      - GradyLeeHoward
        
        I read it, no problem.
        Go take some Kaopectate.
      - Modavations
        
        racists reading racists
  - aj
    
    correction: south atlantic, 1st paragraph
JustSayin

Weighing The Iranian Threat… Impossible with so many war mongering thumbs upon the scale.

How brave would the growling Israel be without the big dog USA behind it? How did the USA become Israel’s bitch?
- Gregg
  
  Obama certainly isn’t doing Israel any favors. He speaking loudly while carrying a tiny stick. It’s a bad combination.
  - JustSayin
    
    I see no difference between this admin as per Israel, from the last. The US taxpayer is still bankrolling their weapons and expansion, and the political statements of monetary and military support are the same.
    
    If Obama pulls the trigger, he wins the election as the war president.
  - Brett
    
    So, you think saber rattling is the answer? If not, what is the answer?
    - GradyLeeHoward
      
      Bop-a-mole is not the answer.
    - Modavations
      
      Introducing free enterprise and building trade dependency.I don’t worry about China as we have a joint trading arrangement
  - GradyLeeHoward
    
    But it’s an atomic stick.
Scott

If Israel wants a war with Iran,

then let Israel fight Iran.

I am so sick and tired of seeing my country being dragged around by the nose and being bankrupted by the Israeli lobby who wants the American taxpayer to bankroll U.S. proxy wars for Israel with U.S. dollars and with the lives of American troops.
- Gregg
  
  So if we sit back and let them fight we will be totally unaffected and can continue watching “Dancing with the Stars” while we complain about having to pay for our own contraception?
  - Hidan
    
    -Argument By Selective Reading-Non Sequitur
    - Gregg
      
      That’s the implication, by golly.
  - GradyLeeHoward
    
    Gregg is sardonically correct here.
  - Fredlinskip
    
    It’s so rare anymore I hit the like button on one of your comments, thought I should let you know.
Jasoturner

With friends like Netanyahu, we don’t need enemies. He seems to regard the president, and our own American national interest, with something bordering on contempt. I think an attack is coming, and we are globally going to reap the whirlwind. How does $8 gasoline and fuel oil sound?
- Hidan
  
  You miss something,
  
  The WH will say the increase in gas is due to a good economy(even know Europe is still in the tank),Iran refusal to do what the U.S. is telling it to do.
  
  The Republicans will say the increase in gas is due to not allowing the XL pipeline(drill baby drill). Though in reality it mostly due to sanctions on Iranian oil and the step up threats or attacks on Iran and spectators biding up the oil futures.
  
  Both sides will lie about the increase in oil prices until the election is over than do as they did after the war in Iraq. Just this time a democrat is in office so many of the die hard obama supporters will make excuses for obama acting like bush .
  - Modavations
    
    Forget drilling.Just saying we will open the gulf,open Buford,get XL going ,will crash the price.Half the oil price is due to a weak dollar.Exhibit fiscal discipline and the price crashes,as does gold(inflation hedges).Once the drilling actually gets going 100,000 go to work immediately.Pres.Obama says look at all the fracking oils,etc,.Mr.Obama fails to mention it’s wells on private lands that are the producers.They are out of the Pres.perview.My intuition is, that if he could,he’d close them down.Iran is a factor.If we drill baby drill we can turn our backs on the MiddleEast.I’ll smile while the stoneagers eat each other.If we gave everyone in Isreal(means testing)a million bucks and moved the Isrealis to N.Y. it would be about a month before the middleeast turns on each other.Isreal is the Straw Dog
    - Hidan
      
      -Fallacy Of Composition:-Causal Reductionism
      
      If there’s nothing written into the law that states such oil will be used for American use it will go to the world market and if say Saudi Arab or any of the other oil producing countries reduce there barrels to account for the increase in U.S. production the price would remain the same or keep going up.
      
      Will give Israel around 17 Million a year a few thousand to each it’s citizens except it’s minority which gets around 5% of what we give.
      
      P.S.
      Giving a million dollar sounds kind of socialist
      - Hidan
        
        17 Million a “day”
      - Modavations
        
        I don’t understand
      - Modavations
        
        Speak English Man,I’m not a Marxist Professor!!!Fallacy of composition my a–.I don’t pay less for Gold when I buy it in Turkey.I don’t pay more when I buy Copper in H.Kong,I don’t pay more for Pork Bellies in Singapore.These are traded on world bourses and the price is the same.Oil goes wherever it’s needed.Flood the market with oil(more oil then demand)and the price collapse.Same for gold,porkbellies,silver……..
      - Hidan
        
        -Doggedness
        -Non Sequitur
        
        Prices very from region to region based on the cost/profit margin.
        
        I call bull you pay the same anywhere you go.
        
        Learn about Oil Futures champ.
      - Modavations
        
        I pay 107 a barrel in London,or Cairo,or Sydney,or Mars
      - GradyLeeHoward
        
        Fail
    - Adks12020
      
      As reported in the news from various sources this week, we already have more oil than we need in this country. We are exporting oil from the south because they have too much but for some reason we are still importing in the northeast. Drilling isn’t going to help stupid policy.
      - Modavations
        
        Flood the market and prices decline.
  - Terry Tree Tree
    
    Mostly just oil executive and speculator GREED?
- Modavations
  
  A real warrior standing next to a man-child ,is more like it
  - GradyLeeHoward
    
    Bebe is a shorty.
    - Modavations
      
      Don’t bother me,I dislike rascists
Modavations

There is one Democracy in the MiddleEast,one laissez faire oasis.The people are affluent,educated and endorse first amendment free speech.15% of Israel is pALESTINIAN.In Israel a Palestinian is free to voice political opinion.A Palestinian in the territories who votes incorrectly will get “offed”,as will his extended family.Women in Israel are free to dress as they will.They are not covered with Burkhas(:?) and can actually drive cars..My stand is not with Israel, per se.My stand is with free men/women in a sea of unbelieveable corruption.
- Hidan
  
  myth, myth, and more myth. Though Israel is a democracy for Jews it’s clearly not for non-jews.
  
  Israel is an ethocracy, it discriminates against it minority in housing,education,professional jobs, building,subsidy,immigration,growth,religion,marriage,etc
  
  -Jewish only settlement
  -Citizenship laws that bars people who marry Palestinian from living together in Israel
  -Natural Growth nearly only applies to Israeli Jews
  -JNF
  -Immigration policies that only favor Jews over others(racist if done in the U.S)
  -Paying Jews to study the Torah(yet studying other religions don’t get such privilege)�
  - laws that allows Israel Jews to refuse to allow Israeli non-jews to live in there community
  -While Israel non-jews have a 80% voter turn out with over 20% of the population it’s only represented in the Knesset with less than 11%(knessent member limit the natural growth of Israeli non-jews to prevent them having any type of power in the Knesset,openly stated btw)
  -Israeli non-jews live on 5% of the land of Israel
  -Israel non-jews have a 50% poverty rate and the governments spends around 3-5 % on them
  -Israeli non-jews make up only 5% of the professional workforce(bar from many jobs due to security limits)
  - Israel does not allow civil marriages and sees Jewish women marrying arab men as National Treason.(50%)
  -Calls it’s minority a demographic threat. (it’s FM wants to strip them of there citizenship)
  -Refers to itself as an Jewish State not Israeli state which would include it’s non-jewish population
  -Does very little about the Price Tag Policy(terrorism by definition)
  -Attacks NGO and the free Press passing laws to limit both
  
  http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/knesset-panel-bans-israeli-arab-mk-for-reciting-controversial-poem-1.407789
  
  http://www.geocities.com/savepalestinenow/israellaws/essays/israellawsessay.htm
  
  http://www.haaretz.com/news/current-knesset-is-the-most-racist-in-israeli-history-1.266564
  
  Civil rights groups cite all-time high of 21 bills proposed in 2010 aimed at discriminating against Arabs.
  
  Knesset panel approves controversial bill allowing towns to reject residents
  
  Israeli Arab MKs al-Sana and Tibi walk out on
  committee discussion, calling it a ‘criminal law’ aiming to prevent
  Arabs from joining Israeli towns.
  
  http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/knesset-panel-approves-controversial-bill-allowing-towns-to-reject-residents-1.321433
  
  http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/free-press-in-israel-is-in-danger-1.390154
  
  http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/likud-s-knesset-faction-backs-probe-into-leftist-israeli-ngos-1.338916
  - Modavations
    
    Israel is a real democracy,the votes actually count.May I remind you that we wouldn’t let blacks drink at our water fountains,nor eat at our restaurants,nor go to our schools, 60 years ago.We’ve been around since the 1600′s.Israel is young,young,young.Look at the affluence laissez faire has produced.Tel Aviv rivals any great Western City.Now go check out that hell hole called Cairo!!.These things take time.In the middle east you are “greased if you look at someone the wrong way and your extended family can expect the same.if you’re Christian,expect to be burned or stoned alive.
    - Hidan
      
      -Internal Contradiction
      
      Also, it’s not laissez faire since a good portion of it’s UOJ population don’t work and are paided to study the torah, or the subsidy on housing. If done in the U.S. would be considered socalism.
      
      You do prove my point Israel is stuck in the 1960 Jim Crow period.
      
      Thanks
      - Modavations
        
        Pure bias.Tel Aviv rivals any westerrn city.Every Midlle East capital is a slum
      - aj
        
        been to Doha lately?
        
        Ur comment reminds me of a small clot of dung clinging to the hindquarters of a bull
      - Modavations
        
        Been to Cairo,Damascus,Saana,Adis Ababa,Tripoli,Bagdad.They can’t keep the lights on,or keep the water running.In Tel Aviv everyones got a Porche,Mercedes,BMW,Audi.In Cairo you have donkeys
    - Hidan
      
      Also the difference in the Jim Crow south and Israel is blacks were seen as cheap labor while non-Jews are seen as an surplus population. As well Israel states it must be run by Israeli jews and hold a majority unlike America.
      - Modavations
        
        It took us laissez faire types many moon to free the slaves from the Democrats.Now they’ve been reenslaved by the Dem.for a vote.They are quarenteened in the Ghetto,led by the Capos Jesse and Al.Things take time ,we shall overcome.We will use the school voucher
      - GradyLeeHoward
        
        And you blame Israel for that.
      - Modavations
        
        Hundie,Hundie I don;’t like racists.
  - Cory, Lord of the Nerds
    
    I sense your passion, but your posts today are TOO LONG dude! Boil it down a little. Nothing wrong with reading books, but that’s not what is going on here.
    - GradyLeeHoward
      
      I like to read, Cory.
      His spaciousness doesn’t crowd you.
      People have different styles, teach.
    - Modavations
      
      I won’t read anything over a paragraph.You’ve finally said something I agree with.I could have said the same thing in a paragraph
Cory, Lord of the Nerds

What would Iran do if it had nuclear weapons?
- Gregg
  
  Use them.
  - Cory, Lord of the Nerds
    
    Just like North Korea, Israel, England, France, Russia, and the United Sta…. Uh oh! That’s right! WE are the only nation that has used nuclear weapons on another nation.
    
    Seriously though, why do you think they would use them?
    - aj
      
      Hiroshima, Nagasaki. minimum 200,000 dead japanese women and munchkins.
      
      Truman didn’t have to do it, but he felt like it.
      
      “Say hello to my little friend!”
      -Pacino,Scarface.comradeOliverStone
      - Modavations
        
        We did that in Dresden with fire bombs,
Cory, Lord of the Nerds

Gas has gone up 50 cents a gallon where I live over the past two weeks just because of this national conversation. I can’t wait until the missiles begin to fly and the bombs begin to drop.
- JustSayin
  
  It must be great to be able to keep the quantity of a resource the same, and then use the war drum to double its value. Now that’s an extraordinary return on investment.
  
  Is the tail wagging the dog?
  - Modavations
    
    Go buy some ear plugs.You use hypothesis as fact
    - JustSayin
      
      Just Flag my comment like you usually do..
      - Modavations
        
        I don’t know what Flaggin is.I do not fear free speech.I will defend your right to be lame
      - JustSayin
        
        “I don’t know what Flaggin is. I do not fear free speech.”
        
        That’s confirmation of a lie.
        
        Now I understand your love of Dim Bulbs!
      - Modavations
        
        I never intentionally lie.I defend your right to be as lame as you want.This guy wants to ban the Cinema cause it hurts his ears.Hee can go buy earplugs for a buck.Oh,oh the pop[corn is poped in poisonous oil.Woe is me,woe is me
      - Chris B
        
        Like you didn’t know what a troll is?
      - Modavations
        
        Correct.I thought a Troll was a Norwegian monster,or the act of looking for chicks at a bar
    - GradyLeeHoward
      
      Add a blindfold and you’re “Tommy” all over. “Modo doesn’t know what day it is. He doesn’t know who Jesus was, or what praying is. How can he be saved, from the eternal grave?”
      
      Why comment if you don’t care?
      - Modavations
        
        I liked you better when you did the racist black patois stuff.Mr Hundie
- Modavations
  
  Pres.Obama has his own 999 plan.That is,$9.99 per gallon
  - Cory, Lord of the Nerds
    
    What is the plan?
  - Anonymous
    
    Listen for the screams when the petrol reserves open.
    - Modavations
      
      Listen to the screams when the XL gets the go ahead.Probably next week when gas goes over $4.00 per gallon
Patrick

I think the President has said all he needs to say. He’s not going to join Israel in threatening Iran directly, because he doesn’t want to get us into another war in the Middle East, because he’s not an idiot. Let Europe clean up their own back yard.

If Netanyahu keeps prodding the President in this way, then Obama should be make it clear, in private, that Israel needs to get in line with the sanctions and inspections plan, or risk going it alone. Remember the last time we went to war because “sanctions aren’t working” and “they’re not cooperating with the inspection regime?” I do, and I won’t support any more saber rattling.
- aj
  
  Europe’s not up for much these days, have you seen their inflamed front yard. Last I checked the hawkish europeans ran out of bullets on the 2nd day of the Libyan campaign,.. something about the the Greeks had bought up all the ammo. Suicide rate is soaring in greater Athens.
  - Modavations
    
    Let’s bid on the Parthenon
  - Patrick
    
    And as the right is so fond of pointing out, they think we’re heading that direction as well.
    
    There’s no appetite for this from the tea party (austerity), from the far left (anti-war, not enthralled by Israel), or from mainstream Republican or Democratic voters (embarrassment over / still offended by Bush-era adventures). Bibi’s only sympathizers will be senile old evangelical lunatics like Pat Robertson, and the small cohort of voters for whom Israel is a priority.
    
    Obama’s message needs to be that the US won’t act until we’re damn good and ready, and if Israel can’t wait for that, then they can’t expect our help.
Guest

I sympathize with Israel, and I recognize it’s right to sovereignty. But, I wish it stopped acting like a giant baby. South Korea has lived in the constant and palpable threat of a dictator north of it for decades who could at any instant pull the trigger not because of reason or malice but due to pure random madness.

South Korea is mushroom free, and Israel will be too. Whatever the world does to contain North Korea can work in Iran too. We don’t need a drama queen (Israel), causing more military actions, and casualties, and millions of wasted dollars when it’s not needed.
- Gregg
  
  I would not wish the unbelievable horrid conditions North Koreans live under on anyone. There are no birds because the emaciated population has eaten them.
  - aj
    
    Sort of beside the point, but none the less insightful. This is why I routed for the North Koreans so passionately during the world cup 2010.
    
    Final score: Brazil 23 N.Korea 0
    
    though I think the numbers were reversed in reports out of pyongyang.
  - Cory, Lord of the Nerds
    
    May be true, but not sure how it relates to “guests” comment.
    - Gregg
      
      The point I was attempting to make is Guest’s suggestion we contain (isolation, crippling sanctions) Iran as we do NK would likely lead to the same result, which isn’t the best for humanity. Heck, we nuked Japan and the people are now thriving. I’m NOT suggesting we nuke anyone, I’m just saying what sounds nice isn’t always best.
      - Cory, Lord of the Nerds
        
        Gotcha.
- aj
  
  I dont sympathize with “israel” so-called, but other than that I agree, not that my opinion matters 2 any 1 but moi.
- Cory, Lord of the Nerds
  
  True all.
William Powee

Its clear the American interests are not Israels, Aipac
is too powerful, witness everyone on Capital hill is terrified
by them. The America political system is now completely
corrupted by special interests, but everything and everyone
has a breaking point, like Europe in 1914, the lights are going
out in America and will not come back in again for generations
if ever, one or two more wars will seal our fates. Weather
Israel survives an American Collapse is anyone’s guess, my guess is that it does not.
- aj
  
  profound
- Cory, Lord of the Nerds
  
  Israel might have to learn what we need to learn. How to let others live while living yourself.
- Fredlinskip
  
  I agree that since the coming of the Neocons and W, America has gone downhill at a faster rate than “terrorists” could have ever have hoped, but it’s not time to give up until “fat lady sings”. Patriotism is about doing all one can (short of violence) to returning to the days when priorities of education, low deficit, high employment, strong middle class, improvement of infrastructure, policies based on science instead of myth, War as a LAST resort instead of a first, were some of the ideals that made this nation strong.
  Don’t give in to the forces of Weapons of Mass Distortion.
  We need you.
aj

Addendum: mary elizabeth this implys MrPrez BarryO.junior is more hawkish than chiefs-of-staff, atleast until he is re-elected over Mitt”mommy-jeans”Romnee…�
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“When the new Chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff and the new head of CENTCOM told Obama late last year they were disappointed that he was not firmly opposing an Israeli strike on Iran, Obama replied that he “had no say over Israel” because “it is a sovereign country.”
Obama does indeed have a say – a strong say – over Israel. The United States has pledged $30 billion to Israel over the next 10 years. Obama should inform his counterparts in Israel that if it launches a military attack on Iran, the U.S. will withhold foreign aid from Israel.”
�
-Marjorie Cohn, prezident of Nat’l Lawyers Guild
�
{via fellow Onpoint poster citoyenne Joan}
- Cory, Lord of the Nerds
  
  Romney needs to quit with the jeans. Does he really believe that fools anyone? Scott Brown with the barn coat was at least a little believable.
  - Modavations
    
    Brilliant
    - GradyLeeHoward
      
      Thanks, deaf guy.
  - GradyLeeHoward
    
    Try Bermudas with an Hawaiian shirt: “Jimmy Buffet Romney.” With sunglasses he’d be laid back for nuclear exchange. “Wasting away again at my Caymans bank. Sitting on my capital gains. Some people claim it’s us rich guys to blame, but I know… It’s all Black President’s fault.”
    - Cory, Lord of the Nerds
      
      I haven’t done this for a while but, GradyLeeHoward, I’d like to buy you an ale or lager of your choosing. I will also throw in a pretzel with mustard. BRAVO! BRAVO!
    - Modavations
      
      His money is parked right next to Dem.Solons Corzines 1.2 billion bucks.SEC should have asked me where the funds are
- Modavations
  
  Bull…..Obama said I vote present,form a commitee
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

I find it rather purplexing that Israel claims they do not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon because, among other reasons, they believe it will start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Hasn’t Israel had a nuke since the 1970s? Didn’t they start this arms race in the first place? Maybe I’m missing something..
- PI Resident
  
  And where did Israel get the Uranium to make a weapon? Non-proliferation does not seem to apply to Israel . . .
  And lest I forget – Remember the (USS) Liberty!
  - aj
    
    Righteous.
  - Modavations
    
    Same place Joburg and Syria got theirs.The Black Market.
Anonymous

Prime Minister Netanyahu should be told that if his government is going to attack Iran, which would be a serious mistake, that all aid will be cut off starting the next day. That means parts for the very special long range jets they have. The idea of this at this time, is complete madness. Let Iran have it’s nukes. I would also let them know if they even as much as flinch with the idea using them that the repercussions would be pretty severe.

The thing that I wonder is even if Israel is successful in launching a raid I doubt it would do much in the way of stopping Iran from developing a nuclear capability. Israel should also be made to understand that the US and Europe could be thrown into a huge recession if the price of oil rises. Which it will if the attack Iran.
The other problem, a larger war with Russia and China.
This is how world wars start. Israel needs to be told, and told in langauge it understands, that it’s not going to be able to act like a rouge state. Unless Iran attacks Israel, which I don’t think they are mad enough to do, diplomacy is the way to go here.
- Modavations
  
  It’s already started son
Anonymous

This world will probably never be fair, nor should I expect it to be. Somehow Netanyahu wants us to believe that Iran is such a great threat to Israel when it is Israel that possesses hundreds of nuclear weapons. Logically this will never add up. The analogy is if I brought rocks to a tank fight all along, and suddenly I acquired one jeep, the fight would somehow be fair? The Holocaust has made them paranoid and crazy beyond belief.
- aj
  
  rocks to tank fight lol
  - Modavations
    
    Remember when every mid east country charged Isreal and the same time.I still see the mideast tanks in full charge
    - aj
      
      yeah the Israeli’s had uzi’s and the tanks had the star of david on them, the arabs had rocks and legitimacy. a la david and goliath, irony anyone?
      - Modavations
        
        The Isrealis had laissez faire and free men/women.The Middle East had Russias Socialism-communism
      - aj
        
        Oh yeah sure, all those kibbutz’s were full of jihadi’s too, right!
      - Modavations
        
        Modern Israelis laugh at the Kibbutz.They failed as does the communist model wherever it’s tried
  - Modavations
    
    If the guys would embrace Laissez Faire and Democracy they could afford more then rocks
Mpatterson

Can someone explain to me why you Americans are so beholden to Israel? Especially now when they seem determined to drag you into a – or another – “preemptive war” in the Middle East.
- GradyLeeHoward
  
  Don’t they hold the copyright on the Holy Bible?
  And Jesusland has a new rollercoaster!
  - aj
    
    lol
  - Modavations
    
    I want to hear some of your rascit black patois please.Did you get over your light bulbs yet,Mr Hundie Watts
- Tom2
  
  because we are a christian country
  - Cory, Lord of the Nerds
    
    How do you define that?
- AC
  
  i’ve wondered this myself….i received some history via an earlier post that implies we are foolish to be allies, but i don’t have a sense of the relationship/history enough to have a personal opinion.
- Patrik
  
  This is what I have wondered M, it seems everytime they say jump we ask how high. I don’t feel comfortable, as an objective US citizen, with that type of relationship and it begs the question that most of us will never know; that sir was the question you have asked.
  - Patrik
    
    *edit Sir/Ma’m
- Adks12020
  
  I’ve been asking that question for my entire adult life; I still haven’t found an answer. They constantly put us in bad political and diplomatic positions and yet we still support them. The only thing I can think of is that Isreal wouldn’t exist without us and they are the only “white european” style country in the region.
Mpatterson

So Iran will would really risk a nuclear strike against another nuclear state? I mean, really? Iran’s bombast, though threatening, seems aimed at internal critics and if they can goad their two biggest enemies in the process, so much the better.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Loring-Palmer/100000673381066 Loring Palmer

Prediction by Dean Wallace, “No-U-Turn Radio” WMFO: an opportune time for Israel to launch the attack on Iran would be 2 to 3 months before the national election because it would put Obama between a rock-and-a-hard-place. If he doesn’t support Israel he’ll lose the jewish vote here and therefore the election. Thus a the tail wagging the dog scenario.
- Modavations
  
  It’s a Machiavelian world son.
- Adks12020
  
  the Jewish vote here is nowhere near substantial enough to lose him the election. Now the hispanic vote on the other hand…losing that could lose him the election.
Ellen Dibble

Supposedly it is unIslamic to have/use nuclear weapons; fatwas have forbidden it. But earlier in February the Democratic Underground dot com reported Iran (Khameinei, mullahs?, and his generals?) to have flip-flopped. Google Iran fatwa nuclear arms and you’ll see. Now they have flop-flipped again and revert to saying nuclear weapons are unIslamic. Here is some from that February 2012 site:

“The earlier ‘fatwa’ by Khamenei means absolutely nothing, can be overridden according to his earlier Khomenei. – The Mullahs will use them if they have them.�
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20…

“Iran’s hardline spiritual leaders have issued an unprecedented new fatwa, or holy order, sanctioning the use of atomic weapons against its enemies.

“In yet another sign of Teheran’s stiffening resolve on the nuclear issue, influential Muslim clerics have for the first time questioned the theocracy’s traditional stance that Sharia law forbade the use of nuclear weapons.” �
“One senior mullah has now said it is “only natural” to have nuclear bombs as a “countermeasure” against other nuclear powers, thought to be a reference to America and Israel.”I think we need to know WHY it is unIslamic.
Here is from the Wikipedia list of fatwas: “Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a fatwa forbidding the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons on August 9, 2005. The full text of the fatwa was released in an official statement at the meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna.[2]” �
You can link to the fatwa from there. The very next in the list is a fatwa against terrorism and specifically al Qaeda.
- Modavations
  
  They are supposed to be making Medical isotopes.You don’t use those cetrifuges for medical isotpes and you don’t bury your labs ten stories down
Modavations

Go to Tel Aviv,then go to any Mid-Eastern Capital.A gleaming,modern metropolis as opposed to insignificant slums.Mexico is light years ahead of Cairo.What the difference you ask?.Laissez Faire and Free men/women
- aj
  
  ur profound meditations bring to mind a delinquent partial turd which grasps anal shrubery causing brownish crust to accumulate in one’s under garment
  - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
    
    Ur was a city in ancient Mesopotemia.
  - Modavations
    
    Brilliant
- martin
  
  You forget how much of our GDP goes to aid for Israel…and what we did to Iran in the past century. If America and Britain didn’t meddle in Iran it would be a democracy now.
- AC
  
  well, that’s not true of every neighborhood or hasidic(?) culture. women must dress traditionally and wear the veil – a young jewish girl has rocks thrown at her for wearing jeans…
- Frank
  
  maybe true but what’s your point? Screw ‘em? This sounds like “manifest destiny” when we wiped out the natives of North and South America. “they’re primitive so let’s get rid of them”??? Is that what you suggest?
  - aj
    
    righteous empathy
  - Modavations
    
    Make them affluent laissez faire countries that are our trading partners.Our past enemies Japan,Korea and Germany are now our mates
Cory, Lord of the Nerds

You can’t stop Iran from eventually developing nuclear weapons, but you can create a boatload of emnity along the way.
Ellen Dibble

Effectively, Israel does not have a nuclear weapon, right? Because unlike Iran, a nuclear strike on Israel would not escalate; it would be a “final solution” in and of itself. Mutually assured destruction, the umbrella that contained things during the Cold War, only applies if you have a country as broad as, say, the former USSR, or, possibly Iran. �
It seems to me, the danger is the sheer damage that can be done by non-state agents (I don’t know the world of tangentially associated “arms” of secret “defense” organizations in the Persian or Arab or South Asian world) with no strategic intent whatsoever, except maybe those 200 virgins waiting for the devotee/perpetrator in heaven, that sort of thing. I guess we have some experience in watching what happens in terms of Pakistan’s weaponry.
William

Going to war is a bad idea.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  What is the good idea here?
  - Ian
    
    the good idea is to let them fight their own war, with their own money.
    - Modavations
      
      I’ll bet two to one with Israel
- Modavations
  
  We’ve been at war since Adam and Eve.
  - aj
    
    Wrong again wingnut. Since Cain and Abel.
martin

Who is Israel and who is the US (incidentally the only country to use nuclear weapons in history) to demand that other countries be barred from possessing nuclear weapons when both have them?
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  Given Iran’s support of terrorism and it’s president’s comments about wiping out Israel, that’s one country that we don’t want to have a nuclear weapon.
  - martin
    
    Aha. that coming from the US – the state that has a clear track record of supporting terrorism around the world. gimme a break.
    - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
      
      Terrorism? You regard any war as a terrorist act, I take it.
      - Anonymous
        
        War is terrorism, with whatever countries frosting on it. The Arab league also does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons. The US is the master of the preemptive strike. We need to let the Arab league take care of this. When will we stop trying to be the world police?
      - Aad
        
        I agree with Martin. The reason we attack others (terror results) is because war is very profitable for many. These war promoters need to know their profits are profits of sin, for which they will be judged by God. There is talk on the Net that we will drop N bombs on the U.S. and blame it on Iran, as an excuse to enter yet another war (mass murder.) The discourse on Tom’s show is more PR for war.
  - BEEZ
    
    Israel came about through the use of “terrorism”. They do it all the time!
Frank

Nothing more than business as usual. Both the U.S. and Israel are using the U.S. election cycle to further their agendas in the Middle East and Obama is using the issue in the Middle East as a method to strengthen his campaign.
Still Here

The Middle East is a sinkhole to be avoided.
http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

Slippers on the ground–I love it.
Dee

Funny how we never hear the pack of vote pimps currently running around this country talk about the real nuclear threat in the Middle East – Israel.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  Israel hasn’t declared its desire to wipe any country off the map.
  - martin
    
    Yeah they just do it slowly without fanfare.
    70% of palestine is gone and palestines are squeezed into 30% of their former territory and shrinking.
  - aj
    
    Declare? they did it pre-emptively in 1948. Palestineans were ushered at the tip of hagenot uzi’s right into the drink(mediterannean), off ya go, with a pleasant neighborly boot to the head. Mazel tov!
  - Ellen Dibble
    
    In the case of Iran, I credit their maniacs with making inflammatory comments about Israel. I don’t hold the people of Iran responsible for such attitudes, although I know even in America where we have freedom of speech, and freedom of arguing more specifically, we still come up with some polls showing pretty radical attitudes, towards susceptible minorities.
    I wouldn’t punish an entire country for a pseudo-elected extremist sitting at the helm. It gets complicated.
  - martin
    
    Neither has Iran. That supposed quote by Ahamadinajad was translated incorrectly. He meant that that regime needs to end. He never said he would “wipe out Israel”. Do your own research before you go on what you see in American media (they are owned by people with an agenda).
  - martin
    
    And yeah – Israel doesn’t delare before doing it. They just wipe it out. 70% of Palestine wiped out…
- Anonymous
  
  Every nation with nuclear weapons is a potential threat: US, Russia, France, Great Britain to name a few.
http://profile.yahoo.com/6E5M4YACHDJ7AFL5D2XK3IMCL4 James P.

Israeli sabre rattling = oil industry giveaway. Marketplace morning report estimated that an attack would lead to over $5 a gallon gas nation wide.
- martin
  
  Also arms sales are slowing. We need another war for Haliburton to make a few more trillion.
  - Modavations
    
    Haliburtons subsidiary KBR is who you speak of(Iraq).The comapny is owned by the heirs of Lady Byrd Johnson
    - martin
      
      KBR/Haliburton same shit. Dick Cheney and Co.
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/6E5M4YACHDJ7AFL5D2XK3IMCL4 James P.
    
    Oil prices fell after the end of the war in Libya. Iranian Sanctions are a convenient way to prop them up. Sanctions are also a gift to Saudi Arabia. Iran has an educated work force, if Iran’s economy was liberalized and started growing like Turkey’s, the Saudis would envious and fearful. The nuclear debate is a canard aimed at maintaining a failed state in Iran. No one is representing the interests of the Iranian people and their future.
Ellen Dibble

Sanger says the US would be pulled in. I’m thinking if I were an Iranian general, I would issue a fatwa or something like that: Do not touch a HAIR on any American head. Period. We can take on Israel, but not the entire Western World.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  But many Israelis were once U.S. citizens. We have an emotional bond.
  - martin
    
    Most americans do not support Israel’s policy. The only bond we have is the Israeli lobby bond in Washington with the deep pockets.
    - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
      
      Most Americans? You, perhaps, but most is unclear.
      - martin
        
        What is unclear about that? Many independant polls in the media. Not the ones owned by the zionist Murdoch though obviously.
      - Modavations
        
        Zionist???No bias here
      - martin
        
        Just by calling something by it’s name means I am biased? Where did you go to school?
        When have you seen the Palestinian side covered on FOX news? When that happens I will take back my qualification.
  - Ellen Dibble
    
    Many Americans are Jews, too. We have an emotional bond with them as well.
Potterw

The Israeli’s can threaten us with this chicken game– and so we should threaten them back.

If the Israeli’s made progress on the Palestinian issue- the occupation- that would take away much of Iran’s anti-Israel appeal. That would lessen this so-called “existential threat” to Israel more than any attack.

As well, it’s time for Israel to come clean about it’s own nuclear weapons.

The rhetoric, the threats to Iran, are counter-productive.
gemmom4

Tom, please stop referring to “Tel Aviv” as a counterpart to “Washington”. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, always has been. Please refer to “Jerusalem”.
- aj
  
  False.
  - Modavations
    
    bull.Our embassy is in Tel Aviv
    - Ray in VT
      
      Aren’t you agreeing with AJ on this one?
- Thomas
  
  Wrong. Only Israel recognizes Jerusalem as its capitol. The US has its Embassies in Tel Aviv – the international community will not recognize disputed territory as a national capitol.
Muriel

Not another pre-emptive war in the Middle-east! Israel should be made to sign the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (only Israel, India and Pakistan are non-signatories) and then the world could check and control the number and lethal quality of their nuclear weapons such as the world is attempting to do in Iran. Although I am opposed to even the existence of nuclear weapons, why can Israel have nuclear weapons but not Iran? Yes Iran wishes Israel off the face of the earth but so far has not gone to war with Israel. Yes Israel is a “democracy” (with many caveats such as the build-up of illegal settlements, the occupation of the territories, and so on), but it does have nuclear weapons (with no international verification) and is getting ready to go war against Iran and drag the US into it with it.
We need to use more diplomacy first and for a longer period of time and stop resorting to war rhetoric.
The Republican presidential candidates also need to stop lobbying for war against Iran. They are totally irresponsible (except for Ron Paul) and dangerous.
Susie

AIPAC should be required to comply with U.S. law and register as the “agent for a foreign government” of Israel.
Thomas

Israel needs an outside conflict or “enemy” to take attention away because they are quickly lossing the PR battle over the occupation of Palestinian land (especially among Israelis). They hope that if their national and international attention is drawn outside of the state (to Iran) the international community will step back on the Palestinian issue.
PLEASE Tom, make some mention of Palestine here!
http://www.facebook.com/drpmeade Paul S Meade

The question posed as who owes more to one or the other, Israel owes a great deal to the US in so far that we support them financially, militarily and through diplomacy.

As to the question of targeted strikes of a nuclear facility beneath a mountain; there must be an entrance to the facility, so target that. Don’t go down through the mountain, target the entrance. Where is Luke Skywalker when you need him.
Anonymous

I heard a report on the news covering this topic the other day. They reported that the Arab league is for the first time in history and behind closed doors, in line with Israel. They do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons either. They do not want to be seen as supporting Israel, but they do. So if the West, or Israel preemptively target Iran with bomb strikes, the Arab league will have to side with Iran. This is a dangerous possibility. The USA has been the shining example of trying to stop “weapons of mass destruction”, think Iraq. We can not afford another war in this region. The planet can not afford any war in this region. Get out your gas masks!!
PM

Tom,

Please ask your guests two questions.
1. Why is Israel allowed to have nuclear weapons and no other country in that part of the world? This is a double standard that whole world can see but most US news media is simply afraid to talk about it.

2. WSJ article yesterday showed that majority of Israeli population is supporting Obama’s position. To what extent Netanyahu is doing this for his political positioning?
Tom

Why is there no conversation about how much money the U.S. provides Israel, either as aid or as loans which are subsequentially forgiven? For a country so dependent upon our billions in financial support one would think we would have more leverage. I think Israel and those that support that country have understood our political system better than most voters in this country.
- Modavations
  
  We give money to everyone.Right behind Israel is Egypt.Israel must use our loans to buy our arms.Israel pays it;’s debt.Cairo never has and never will.
Susie

The U.S. donates many $billions to Israel every year, though it has 300 nuclear weapons and refuses to sign the NPT. Under cover of its warmongering on Iran, Israel now steals yet more land from the people of Palestine, in both East Jerusalem and West Bank Area C ethnic purging of Palestinians.
- Modavations
  
  Isreal is the size of a post stamp.When Billy C. had Arafat ready to shake hands and he walked.Arafat stole 2 Billion.He really felt the Palestinians pain,didn’t he
  - aj
    
    Modavations do you think refugees should be allowed to return to Palestine-1948?
    - Modavations
      
      Ask the PLO,they want them to stay in Jordan.
      - aj
        
        Sorry about the holocaust-denier remark, it was over the top.
      - Modavations
        
        screw
Timbermanx1

Stop this war mongering. Why must we solve all with weapons and attacking. This attack would only embolden the Iranian mullah and gain popular support among an Iranian people. This act would be incredibly foolish and shortsighted.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  How would you prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons?
  - Timbermanx1
    
    Why does it matter? This genii is out of the bottle, and they will get one no matter what we do. Do we occupy the huge country after bombing to prevent it?
  - Thomas
    
    Sanctions are working…
    War would be DISASTOROUS for all involved. Iran is not Iraq!
    - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
      
      Sanctions are working? How so? Has Iran stopped its efforts at getting nukes?
Anonymous

Nonproliferation is supposed to defend nonnuclear states from the threats of nuclear threats. Our threats and invasion of Iraq sent a different message to Iran. President Obama just doubled down on President Bush’ threats.
martin

Can somebody explain me how this dirtbag Netanyahu who left office in disgrace last time (was found to have embezzled public money to renovate his own house) is back in office?
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  The same way that every other politician gets into office.
Robert Riversong

The unembellished historical facts are these: Iran has been one of the least aggressive states in the region (though it has suffered greatly from US aggression via Saddam Hussein and its previous CIA coup and installation and support of the Shah), and has never threatened others, except indirectly the S-supported theocracies which maintain a very precarious control over their own populations, such as Saudi Arabia. Iran has, however, supported Arabic and Palestinian nationalist and self-defense organizations (which we like to call “terrorist”, just as the British called the Minutemen “terrorists”).

And Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never threatened to “wipe Israel off the map”. That was a deliberate mistranslation by the NY Times of a 2005 quote by Ahmadinejad of the late Ayatollah Khomeini: “the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.” Because it was printed in the “paper of record”, it has been repeated by every media outlet across the political spectrum and has taken on the aura of truth (otherwise known as propaganda).

According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, “Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ because no such idiom exists in Persian.” Instead, “he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse.” The Imam had, in fact, compared the Zionist regime to the former Soviet Union: so full of its own contradictions that it would collapse on its own. It appears it is heading in that direction, and a “pre-emptive” attack on Iran may well be the straw that breaks the Zionist camel’s back.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  Support for terrorist organizations isn’t aggression?
  - martin
    
    And the US is different how?
    
    Perhaps you are implying Al Qaeda was not terrorist?
    They were created not only supported by the US.
  - martin
    
    BTW Hamas only exists because there is oppression of Palestinians. If that didn’t exist Hamas would not exist either.
  - martin
    
    Israel is the biggest terrorist organization with the largest budget.
  - Robert Riversong
    
    Yes it is. For that reason the US should stop supporting the root of terrorism in the Middle East: the Zionist “final solution”. [P.S. Part of my family was eliminated in the holocaust, my parents were ardent Zionists, I am not anti-Semitic, I am pro-justice.]
    - aj
      
      (applause)
- aj
  
  Well done sir.
Mad Hatter

Obama is on the right track with his efforts to solve the issue with diplomacy. �
Given Israel’s need for US backing, Obama should take this opportunity to pressure Israel into resuming Palestinian negotiations in exchange for any support.
Ellen Dibble

Say Netanyahu’s nightmare came true and Iran (or some other nearby state) nuked Israel, made it uninhabitable, as the guest says, confirming what I’ve been thinking, and hearing from Israeli leaders, too, that they won’t have a chance to retaliate. So? So Shiite Iran will stand against Sunni Arab Middle East without that kind of buffering effect of Israel.
If I were Iran, I’d consider Israel an important piece on the general chessboard of the “neighborhood.” (And I don’t think most Muslims would “appreciate” Jerusalem being bombed.)
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  Don’t you imagine that Israel would have the opportunity to respond before an Iranian bomb detonated? It’s the Samson option–Israel will take down the whole Middle East if it sees its existence as being threatened.
  - Ellen Dibble
    
    Before the bomb detonated? OMG, the thing overhead is an H-bomb; let me let loose all my weaponry before we all are turned to dust?
    - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
      
      Surely Israel has an early warning system like what we had. They could see a missile coming from Iran. The big worry is one sneaked in on a cargo ship or similar.
Witterquick

How about middle east disarmament rather than Iran trying to get the bomb to keep up with Israel? Maybe start with a nuclear free Israel?
- Ray in VT
  
  I don’t think that that is realistic for Israel. They feel hemmed in and threatened, and justifiably so. Now I don’t support some of the things that they do as a nation, but they have been in a state of war with some of their neighbors since 1948, and some of their neighbors do not feel that they have a right to exist. Given that, they are pretty sensitive about their security situation.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  When the surrounding nations stop being a threat to Israel, that might make sense, but why would Israel disarm first?
  - Robert Riversong
    
    Of course Israel cannot disarm since the mythology that justifies its existence is the perpetual “existential threat” from the rest of the world. A Zionist Israel can exist only as a garrison state, in self-generated fear.
    - harry
      
      Really and what was the murder of 6 million human being ?
Bgaidry

Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. Many other nations do.

To date, however, USA is the only
nation insane enough to actually deploy them.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  Many nations have deployed nuclear weapons. Do you mean use? If so, how would you have ended World War II?
  - Robert Riversong
    
    Um… by allowing the Japanese to surrender on exactly the same terms by which they surrendered after the bomb? Almost every US military general officer of the time knew that the atomic bombing of civilian targets was unnecessary to either ending the war or “saving American lives”. It was the first blast of the Cold War and intended to “frighten the hell out of the Russians”.
    - aj
      
      winner! winner! 1 dollar to play, 1 dollar to win!
      
      And lets not forget, it wasn’t the nukes that Emperor felt compelled to surrender, instead it was the Soviets entering the fray.
      
      Fresh off of their HARD(23,000,000 dead) won victory over the Werhmacht.
- Robert Riversong
  
  If only it could be written off that easily. It was immoral but hardly insane, since it was the first strategic chess move of the Cold War and intended to create a better bargaining position for the US vis-a-vis the Soviet Union.
  - aj
    
    Good know somebody out there actually knows their history.
T D

What madness this is! Are we so easily duped? Why does Israel get to have a nuclear weapons cache, disregarding the NPT? Israel needs fear to keep the status quo. The hawks fear real peace because it would mean a less malleable situation (in Palestine and the rest of the Middle East). Look how well preemptive attacks have worked throughout history! This is no real solution for anyone’s peace. Why now? Follow the money.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  Israel isn’t disregarding the treaty. They didn’t sign it.
  - T D
    
    Correct, they did not sign it, but how is that not disregarding it?
    - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
      
      Disregarding would mean that they are ignoring their own obligations under the treaty–what Iran is doing.
      - T D
        
        I’m not saying that we shouldn’t be an ally of Israel, but that seems like some serious double standards. Forget about who signed what. Iran could just pull out of the treaty and then they would be in the same seat as Israel (minus the hundred of nuclear weapons).
      - aj
        
        BINGO!
  - PI Resident
    
    Then how did a non-signatory get the Uranium and technology to build these weapons? US AID? Remember non-signatories are supposed to be probitied from acquiring the means to bui;ld these weapons.
    And by the way – how about those killings (terrist killings) of scientists by Israel?
- Fredlinskip
  
  Nuke Israel.
  Then Iran wouldn’t need nukes.
Rich

Iran is our (United States) problem ALSO! They are the country supplying the improvised explosive devices (IEDs) killing our young men and women serving us.

They are just an OUTLAW nature and need to be hammered back in line with the world community!!!!
- aj
  
  Our foe is hunger and ignorance
  Bring em home bring em home
  
  You cant beat that with bombs and guns
  bring em home bring em home
  
  -Springsteen
  
  Support the troops Bring em Home
- Robert Riversong
  
  Really? According to the documents released by American hero Bradley Manning to Wikileaks:
  
  Iraqi officials saw Saudi Arabia, not Iran, as the biggest threat to the integrity and cohesion of their fledgling democratic state. The Iraqi leaders were keen to assure their American patrons that they could easily “manage” the Iranians, who wanted stability; but that the Saudis wanted a “weak and fractured” Iraq, and were even “fomenting terrorism that would destabilize the government”. The Saudi King, moreover, wanted a US military strike on Iran. Saudi donors were the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban, and Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks.
- Jason Pechinski, Boston
  
  Your glass house has many targets for large stones….
  
  (Not the least omitting the fact that Iraq is/was a war crime)
  
  ….if anyone needs a “hammering back”…well, I’m sure you get my drift…
  
  p.s. Iran has not invaded ANY countries for hundreds of years…perhaps not since the famous “300″
BHA in Vermont

Israel is our ally only because we give them A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. They act like a spoiled child who does whatever it wants and never gets more than a “TSK, TSK” reprimand from the USA.

The prior caller is right. We should NOT be defending Israel regardless of their actions. We ostensibly invaded Iraq because Hussein did not (and could not because he didn’t have them) comply with the UN resolution to give up his WMDs but Israel has thumbed its nose at the UN AND the US with regard to UN resolutions dating back to the 1968 war.

NO ONE should attack Iran preemptively. Make sure Israel knows they are ON THEIR OWN if they attack without UN approval. You can be sure we have many nukes trained on targets in Iran already.
- Ray in VT
  
  Considering how much aid and support the U.S. have provided to Israel over the years, it does irk me how they act towards the U.S. at times. Some of Netanyahu’s comments come off as ungrateful, considering how much his nation has benefited from it’s relationship with the U.S.
  - Robert Riversong
    
    Do you mean like the time Israel attacked the United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, with Israeli Air Force fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War, which killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship, when it was in international waters?
    - PI Resident
      
      Judging by the way Tom has reacted to callers who did not support Israel, he would have smoothed that over the IUSS Libertyh as well. Tom is really over the top today with his apologies fro Israel.
      And then there are the guests – also pretty one sided pro Israel.
Ilanfisher

The elephant in the closet is full-scale nuclear war.
Peter

Two questions:1. If Israel believes that Iran’s nuclear capability is an existential threat, why would Israel use nuclear weapons to attack Iran?2. if Israel bombs with little result, will it make Israel seem like a paper tiger?
(I support Obama’s position by the way.)
Gdreel

Pres. Obama;
Please don’t allow Israel sucker us into another war in the mid east
Ray

Why don’t we just try diplomacy. We can’t bully the Iranians any more than they can bully us.
- aj
  
  Prez Barry HusseinObama jr, blew it when he tossed the Turkey/Brazil/Iran deal in the rubbish.
  
  Remember the good old days during the 08′ primary? He said he would meet with Fidel, Mahmoud, and someone else…maybe Chavez, or Belarus or someone, in his first year?
  
  Was he just blatantly lying or was he just blatantly lying?
  
  Ron Paul 2012,
http://profile.yahoo.com/6E5M4YACHDJ7AFL5D2XK3IMCL4 James P.

The nuclear debate is a canard aimed at maintaining a failed state in Iran. No one is representing the interests of the Iranian people and their future. Sanctions are also a gift to Saudi Arabia. Iran has an educated work force, if Iran’s economy was liberalized and started growing like Turkey’s, the Saudis would envious and fearful.
- Jason Pechinski, Boston
  
  Well said. I just heard an interview earlier on NPR, where a young Iranian, pretty much said the same. They are against their government, people were paid to vote…and because of the sanctions, and the previously crushed uprising…they are now just a cowed society.
  
  If we just put fear aside, opened up…sure it would be slow, but no one said the road of peace is/was quick or easy!
  
  We should do the same as we did/do for USSR, China et al.
Aad

Why is it acceptable for the U.S. and many others to possess
nuclear weapons but not Iran? Not only do we posses them, but we have used
these weapons to kill. At least other countries have not done so yet. I say
disarm the world because murder is sinful and wars permit legalized murder. The
Bible says thou shalt not kill! What about this concept do you all not
comprehend? We do not need to police the world, and we do not want a New World
Order, in fact many in this country will not allow it! It is time for peace and
prosperity. Vote for Ron Paul.
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  We only used nuclear weapons while we were in a war already. That’s the difference. We have good reason to believe that Iran would use nukes in a terrorist strike.
  - martin
    
    We dropped it on civilian targets. That consitutes terrorism and was a breach of the geneva convention (not once but twice incidentally).
  - Robert Riversong
    
    We used the atomic bomb when we knew the war was already effectively over and Japan was trying to surrender. It was used only as a bargaining chip against the Soviet Union and as the first move of the Cold War.
    
    It was an act of cold-blooded strategic genocide (including of the only majority Christian city in Japan).
- Joefrank
  
  Open you eyes, man. The new World Order take II is here, not at the point of a gun and in the name of labor, as in take I, but at the point of finance and multinational corporations in the name of globalization. The US has already been assimilated so you won’t see much support for an unsanctioned point of view like Ron Paul’s. Not that it matters, they’ll all fall in line, just like Obama is indistinguishable from Bush III in everything but name. Now sit back and watch the rest of the uncooperative world get ground down to a level of submission. Religion, you say …the kind that says, “I am for war,” plays politics, and had its shoulder to the task of shoving our economy to China and heaping misery and death on millions, is merely a tool of unholy alliance. You are a good man, but there are too few of you to make a difference. The majority can no longer even discern which side their bread is buttered on, let alone right from wrong.
  - Aad
    
    Thanks for your comments. U.S. citizens need to wake up. There are many like us. If we all band together we can make a difference. To those reading this who don’t know about the New World Order, Google it. Look up Aaron Russo, mass grave sites, and FEMA camps on YouTube. I compose resumes for people as part of my business. I did a resume for a fellow that owned a construction company. He was looking for work because he helped build a mass grave site – the kind with huge concrete vaults – and when he was done, the U.S. GOVT did not pay him!
Anonymous

I heard that the Arab league also does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons. If we sponsor a preemptive attack on Iran, then the Arab league will have to side with Iran.
- Ellen Dibble
  
  What makes you so sure. Below, there are comments about how the sanctions are a gift to the Saudis, preventing Iran from succeeding the way Turkey is, despite an educated workforce. So the Arab League would seem to be economically invested in thwarting Iran. In case of actual hostilities (where is Stuxnet when we need it), I think the Arab nations are all loose cannons. Those nations that used to be in our pocket (mostly as a domino move to keep them out of the pocket of the USSR in the Cold War days), with militaries supported by the USA (think Egypt) are a whole lot less so, less in our pocket, than a year ago. �
  So I think Arab nations would want to keep the heck out of this conflict, try not to create enmities “on the ground” (not knowing exactly what the world will look like in ten years), where previously there was primarily cordiality, as diplomats say.
  - Anonymous
    
    The Arab league does not want a war in the region, I don’t think, especially over Iran. But the idea that the US will stick behind Israel no matter what could create a situation no one really wants. If Israel preemptively strikes Iran, and we are pledged to back them up, what is likely to happen?
John Petesch

It’s time we STOP giving monetary and military aid to Israel, and time for Israel to assume ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY ALONE for its actions… then maybe Israel will realize antagonism to ALL its neighbors IS NOT the way to secure a safe future.

WIPE OUR HANDS of Israel once and for all, and THEN the U.S. can stop being used as a TOOL for far-right Israeli policy!!
- martin
  
  Never gonna happen. Too much money involved and this is the biggest lobby around.
  - Jason Pechinski, Boston
    
    And I wouldn’t underplay the “religulous” aspects. MANY of the people pushing this stuff ACTUALLY BELIEVE it is NECESSARY to provoke the “Rapture”
    
    (Yeah, I’m sure Jesus would be for that too…)
  - Robert Riversong
    
    It’s never going to happen because the existence of the Zionist state of Israel is built on the myth of eternal “existential threat”. If it were ever to acknowledged that such a threat no longer exists, Israel would have to become the democracy it pretends to be and become a multi-cultural nation rather than a sectarian enclave.
    - martin
      
      Yeah that too. But that is also why we have their lobby subverting our politics
Jason Pechinski, Boston

I think this discussion is patently absurd. The idea that we would attack a country (which is at peace) because they “might” get such and such weapon, and “might” then attack Israel…

Just stop and think a moment about how CRAZY it is to attempt to stop a hypothetical with ACTUAL violence. To make “peace” through bombs. To make actual horror, death and destruction real based on theory?

Because if an actual attack occurs, they (in my opinion) would have full causus belli to met out a real onslaught onto Israel.

Why on earth would we want that? (Not to mention the pain it would land on us!)

Didn’t these people get taught that it is morally wrong to “throw the first punch” in a fight?

Lastly the idea that they would actually nuke Israel is also INSANE. 1) Israel is packed with (and occupier of) a great many Arabs and Muslims. 2) Jerulsalem and environs are also packed with Muslim Holy sites as well. (Be like us nuking Mecca) 3) Iran would be immediately obliterated by US

So, all this nonsense, this fear baiting is, is madness.

They just don’t want to have to respect their neighbors as equals…maybe they need to re-study their “Holy” books….
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  So how would you stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons?
  - martin
    
    Why would you? It’s their right to have them. When Israel destroys their nuclear arsenal they would have a leg to stand on in this argument. Until then Iran is more than justified in a nuclear arms program.
  - Jason Pechinski, Boston
    
    I wouldn’t.
    
    Try negotiation only, but in the end, we can’t really stop it, we’d have to actually live with it (like all the other nuclear powers). Or, as Obama said, they stop on their own accord.
    
    I’m not afraid. I’d be more worried about Pakistan, where it looks like the government is barely in charge, and they are actually working directly with terrorists….people who might actually use nukes.
    
    A state actor wil not be so insane as to nuke a neighbor.
    
    But a terrorist might just walk a Paki-suitcase bomb into say…The Vatican…or Nashville….
    
    Ultimately, if we were actually neutral brokers in on the Palestine problem, we’d have a real chance at lasting peace..and not just with Iran…
    - martin
      
      Nashville?? that would be a waste of a nuke no? lol
      - Jason Pechinski, Boston
        
        Haha, but isn’t it a temple for much of the Religulous?
      - Ray in VT
        
        If you want to call country music a religion, then maybe.
  - Robert Riversong
    
    1) There is no evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
    2) If they were to, it would be a stabilizing factor in the Middle East, since it would serve as a deterrent to Israel’s aggression and US attempts at regional hegemony.
- aj
  
  superb
- Robert Riversong
  
  Unfortunately, it was the US which put the strategy of “pre-emptive military strike” on the international table – a result of the takeover of US foreign policy by the Neo-Cons.
Bilbo

Israel in only looking out for itself. Here is country that killed or wounded 30 US servicemen when they attacked the USS Liberty in the 1967 war. Here is a country that spies on the US. Here is counrty where our outright support has caused our country hatred amonst the Arabs. Here is country that has an atomic weapon and no one is taking any action against Israel. Peace is a similar interest amongst us. Israel only cares about Israel.
- Robert Riversong
  
  The unprovoked Israeli attack on a US military vessel killed 34 and wounded 170.
Kennan

The US deterred the Soviets, a much more powerful country, for two generations.�
Their rhetoric aside, there’s no indication that Iran’s mullahs and political
leadership are not rational, survival seeking actors.
- TomK in Boston
  
  Right. Thank God we had Eisenhower and Kennedy instead of today’s “neocons”.
  
  Furthermore, after Kuwait we contained and sanctioned iraq very effectively. Rather than the fearsome, “WMD”-armed military power hyped by the pols and the media, we found an impotent, crumbling state that couldn’t even keep the lights on. We were well on our way to finishing off saddam without all the lives and $ pissed away.
  
  Now we’re hearing EXACTLY THE SAME drumbeat about iran. Why don’t we learn? Are we just monkeys who can’t help ourselves when the troop leader starts screeching?
  
  A lot of contractors and weapons mfgrs will be hurting as we leave iraqistan. OMG, an attack on iran will be a wet dream for them! Also it will drive up oil prices which will be super for the oil cos.
  
  In analyzing a policy, the most important thing is “Cui Bono” (to whose benefit?). Think about it.
  
  ps shall we invade Syria too, or save it for later?
  - Robert Riversong
    
    After Kuwait? As if that was an act of unprovoked aggression on the part of “madman” Saddam Hussein?
    
    At the time when Iraq was trying to rebuild itself after the 8-year Iran war (which the US provoked and supplied – on both sides), Kuwait was drilling into Iraqi oil fields with slant-drilling technology supplied by the US and also demanding immediate repayment of the $80 billion it had loaned to Iraq for the war effort.
    
    Iraq believed that it had been economically attacked by Kuwait in a moment of vulnerability and twice asked the US State Department whether we would mind if it invaded its neighbor, each time being told that the US had no strategic interest in Kuwait.
    
    The US entrapped Saddam Hussein into invading Kuwait as a pretext for regime change in Iraq (which failed then, partly because of the legitimate fear of Gen. Schwarzkopf over WMDs which we had sold to Iraq). Sonny Bush determined, however, to finish what his wimpy dad had failed to complete.
Anastasia Bright

I’m wondering if there are four or five books I could read that would give me background and clarity on this situation? I feel like I’m operating without enough information to really make an informed opinion and that all the experts are making assumptions that I know nothing about.
- aj
  
  read a couple of seymour hersch’s articles from newyorker.com
  - Modavations
    
    I read Seymour when I’m having trouble sleeping.I’ve never remained conscious past page two.
    - Fredlinskip
      
      Sure you’re conscious when you’re awake?
      (Sorry Moda- couldn’t help myself).
- Joefrank
  
  The most informative I have found are the discussion forums around the world, like the UK-Times, Israel-ynet, Haretz, Russia-Pravda, India, China, etc. The most limited are the US media sites. Even though we profess to have free press, we don’t. Or discourse is limited by corporate Public Relations mouthpiece being passed off as free press (5 corps own 90% of mass media), by social taboos against certain topics, and by books shoehorning public opinion into a very narrow-minded view.
- Robert Riversong
  
  There is actually a great deal of balanced information on Wikipedia, which is an excellent place to research these issues. Their articles are well-sourced and footnoted and have links for follow up.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HUHWX4TIAZRFNFYCWUE43OZDUQ 7LeagueBoots

We hear a lot about what the US and Israel wants…. what does Iran want? That is a part of the discussion we never really hear, or a part that is massively over simplified, and it is an important part of understanding the situation.
- martin
  
  You won’t ever hear that. What do Palestinians want? You won’t hear that either. They just get bulldozed into submission.
- Joefrank
  
  Do we know what Israel really wants?
  - Robert Riversong
    
    We know what the Israeli leadership wants, as well as the extremists to whom they look for support: to expand into “historical Zion” and to maintain a constant level of real or imagined threat in order to justify their existence.
- Robert Riversong
  
  Iran wants stability. It is not a threat to anyone except those, like Israel, trying to destabilize the region.
- Fredlinskip
  
  Every Iranian hates America.
  That’s all you need to know.
  Nuke ‘em.
Faithfulins

Question about type/size of nuke Iran could develop & possible effects. Israel is a small, narrow country, with Palestinians right there. Radioactivity travels. Shouldn’t Iran take that into account, if they think they care about those people, as they at least pretend to? Anyone check which way the wind blows?
Aad

This discourse on Tom’s show is more PR for war. War is very
profitable for many. War promoters need to know their profits are profits of
sin, for which they will be judged by God. There is talk on the Net that
we will drop N bombs on the U.S. and blame it on Iran, as an excuse to enter
yet another war (mass murder.) Lord, please help us. For those non-believers
out there, read books on near death experiences like Embraced By The Light.
Many are saying the same thing. God is real. Prepare and repent!
- Fredlinskip
  
  Appreciate your passion.
  I never could quite get why it always seems to be the religious right always seem to be the ones leading the charge into War?
  Doesn’t seem to me to reflect the message Jesus taught.
Ellen Dibble

Iranian strategists, what would the Middle East look like if the thorn in your flesh was whittled down, defanged, an Israel without self-defense (without the United States at its back?)? Would Persia with perhaps southern Iraq become the hegemon, lording it over the rest of the Middle East as in the days of Beelzebub, of Babylon and Assyria? Excuse my history. But I think something is bubbling up whose roots resonate in Iran as deeply as American resonance with Jerusalem; our sense of common humanity derives from the history of religious cohesion. And there is cohesion in the Middle East that is outside of my ken. There are about 1200 years of dominance, Shiite, Sunni, Ottoman, on and on and on. We don’t learn that history (or didn’t) as carefully as we learned about Julius Caesar and Charlemagne. But somehow the Middle East is trying to sort itself out in a new way, and if bullying Israel is a useful part of it, I suppose the Persians will do that. I think we should stay out of it. I wonder what the Arab nations are saying about this, and planning to do. After all, wouldn’t Oman and Bahrain, for instance, be more on the front line than we are? Would Persia be more bellicose than Israel? Assuming Iran could devastate that state, disarm it, and put Palestinians back? I don’t see it. I don’t see what the Iranian leadership has a vision, let alone its people. If I were an Iranian student, I’d want Ipads and rock bands and clean water, all that. Skip the glory and heavenly rewards.
- Robert Riversong
  
  Excuse your history is right: “as in the days of Beelzebub”? The devil, I guess, is in the details.
  
  Cyrus the Great (Persian) defeated the Babylonian empire and immediately granted the right of return to the exiled Jews, who have had an uninterrupted presence in Iran (the second largest in the Middle East after modern Israel) for 2500 years, and enjoy constitutional protections and representation in parliament.
Modavations

Hey AJ,hey Hidan,I did a bit more research.Over 3000 freed slaves owned slaves.Mainly New Orleans.Cherokees had black and white slaves.Inuits,etc,from Alaska and B.C made regular slave raids into the U.S.Black traders sold slaves to the Arab traders,who sold the guys to the Dutch ,who brought them to the US and Islands
- Ray in VT
  
  My wife was reading a bit on a part of this topic recently, and some of the accounts, in places in the U.S. where freed slaves owned slaves, appeared to be situations where the freed slaves bought their own relatives. There was also an active trade in European slaves by the Barbary states of North Africa throughout the 18th and early 19th centuries.
- aj
  
  You sir are a Holocaust-DENIER!
  - Modavations
    
    I young lady, am a descendant of the guys who were melted into fat in the German death camps.I madam, am a descendant of the guys who the Russians chased from Siberia to the Urals and then sent then to the Gulag.The menu at the Gulag read,eat each other.You miss,are an excuse maker for the Dem.Party.You are a Capo awaiting scraps from Mastahs table
    - TFRX
      
      AJ self-identified as female?
      
      If not, nice to see the sam old lame-ass gender bending insults from Moda, King of the Second Grade Playground.
      
      Oh, and you misspelled when you wrote “Mastah”, didn’t you?
      - Modavations
        
        What would you call some one who calls you a little bitch,Senor Tourettes?My spelling was intentional.
    - Anonymous
      
      80% of my mothers family also perished in the nazi death camps. They are democrats, well most of them are. One her uncles survived the war because he was a communist and was arrested in Spain.
      He spent the war in a Spanish jail.
- Modavations
  
  By the way,very few Black Slaves bought their mates out of compassion.It was a different world back then.You can not examine the life of people 4 hundred years ago,with modern eyes.Blacks were businessmen too.They knew the worth of slaves and could expertly appraise and trade.Some excuse makers(lefties of course) will say Blacks bought blacks out of compassion.This was very little of the tradel.Blacks,whites,American Indians,Canadian Indians ,Alaskan Indians were saavy traders in a different world..Irishmen and Englishmen were slaves(indentured).Now the modern Dem.Party has reenslaved their chattel.Shuttered them in unspeakable ghettos,made them dependent junkies.Want your check slave,then vote Democrat.Yes mastah,yes m,astah
  - Ray in VT
    
    What a low opinion you must have of minorities if you think that they are so infantile that they cannot think for themselves.
    
    What is the alternative in modern America for minorities to voting Democratic? Vote Republican? Ha. That party took in the oldtime racist politicians that fled the Democratic Party in the wake of the Civil Rights Movement.
    
    The social message of the GOP these days is fall in line with the fundamentalists, no matter how narrow and bigoted some of them may be, and their economic message is that everybody’s got an equal shot, so if you don’t make it, then you’re obviously lazy. Unless you’re rich or a Christian fundamentalist you don’t have much of a reason to vote GOP these days.
    - aj
      
      Modavations, you are correct, the Republican party was founded on abolitionist principle, and because of the heavy influx from the whig party, was influenced by perhaps laissez faire principles though with Government state and Federal playing a role in economic development.
      
      Sort of small town main street penny capitalism, not the current multi-national corporate state that is our current state.
      
      But you cannot deny Ray in VT following sentence?
      
      “That party took in the oldtime racist politicians that fled the Democratic Party in the wake of the Civil Rights Movement.”
      
      So are you libretarian or partisan republican?
      
      Tommorow are you going to vote for Old Ruff and Ready Ron Paul or Willard Romney Inc.?
      
      Not that its any of my biz.
    - Gregg
      
      I don’t think it’s conservatives who tell blacks they can’t succeed unless they are given special treatment. Affirmative action cannot possibly work without judging people by the color of their skin. It wasn’t a conservative that thought a bright, clean good-looking black man was the exception. It was Biden. It wasn’t a conservative who said Obama had a chance because he was light-skinned and had no Negro dialect unless he wanted to use it. It was Harry Reid. It wasn’t a conservative who told Ted Kennedy Obama should be serving them coffee, it was Bill Clinton. It wasn’t a conservative who was a former kleagle for the KKK and celebrated as a great states man. It was Robert Byrd.
      
      Just something to consider about leaders of the Democrat party without going back decades.
      
      Also, it’s not conservatives who called Condoleeza Rice Aunt Jemima and Colon Powell Uncle Tom. It’s not conservatives who called Herman Cain a monkey in a window or wish early death on Clarance Thomas. Black conservatives are the most vilified group there is. Ask Tomas Sowell, Ward Connerly, Walter Williams, Alan Keyes, etc.
      
      Sorry to go off-topic but someone had to say it.
      - Ray in VT
        
        That’s alright. The whole thread is off topic.
        
        I can’t, and won’t, defend the comments that you’ve cited. I don’t think that the message of affirmative action was that minorities can’t succeed without preferential treatment. I do think that it made a bit of sense back in the day when it appeared to be more clear that people were being shut out of educational opportunities due to racial bias, but it may be an idea whose time has passed. In an ideal world these considerations would not exist, and we don’t live in an ideal world, but on this front maybe it is a bit more so than it was when AA was started.
        
        One of my problems with conservatives is the promotion of the idea that we all do start out on a totally equal footing and that it is the worthy that succeed and the unworthy that don’t. Again, I think that that is ideal, and certainly we all should work hard and try to succeed, but I have seen far too many hard working people barely get by and others, who are generally useless but born into a good situation, coast along living the life of riley. Now, I’m not arguing for equality of outcomes. I think that we’ve had this discussion before.
        
        It has been my general experience overall, though, is that conservatives are more prone to prejudice than liberals. That’s my position, and I’m not saying that you are, and it is based upon the opinions of people whom I have encountered so far in life.
        
        On a bit of a lighter note, I might argue that the most villified group that I have encountered tends to be atheists. There was a poll in early 2002 about who people in America would least like their children to marry, and atheists came in behind Muslims, but I don’t think that black conservatives were on the list.
      - Gregg
        
        I’ll tell you what, please cite one example of one Republican leader saying anything comparable without going back decades… please.
        
        Or not, I don’t know if it would be productive but somehow I think it would make your statement ring more true.
        
        “It has been my general experience overall, though, is that conservatives are more prone to prejudice than liberals.”
      - Ray in VT
        
        “I’m prepared, if the NAACP invites me, I’ll go to their convention and
        talk about why the African American community should demand paychecks
        and not be satisfied with food stamps” – Newt.
        
        That sounds racist to me. He seems to be saying that African-Americans want handouts, not jobs at present.
        
        At any rate, my comment that you quoted was meant to be more about personal experience. I recently had a guy from Virginia tell me that black people were better off under segregation, and, relating to a different group of people, I had a “conservative Christian” once tell me that if the rumor that my friend was spreading around about me being gay was true, then he would have to shoot me. Those are not sentiments that I have heard from liberals. Those are extreme examples, and my conservative friends don’t echo those sentiments, but I have heard that sort of talk from conservatives, as well as talk about opposition to inter-racial marriage.
      - Gregg
        
        No, he is saying the NAACP is sending the wrong message to young blacks. I am agosh at how this can be interpreted as racism. I see it as quite the opposite. You must admit what you wrote was not said, you inferred it.
        
        I love the Bush coined phrase “the soft bigotry of low expectations”. I think that’s what Newt was addressing. No one should be satisfied with food stamps and to many (mostly whites) it certainly traps them in a dependency class and now it’s generational.
        
        I get your personal experience thing but I assure you we can play that game on both sides all day long. Actually, just look at this blog for some of the most vile anti-christian views around.
      - Gregg
        
        Just curious, what would you call the National Assosiacion for the Advancement of White People?
        KKK?
  - Modavations
    
    Dem.say to minorities have some scraps from Mastahs table.Rep.say here’s a school voucher.Get rich and buy my product.Invasion of the body snatcher was a critique of the socialist-communist experiment
    - aj
      
      I dont disagree, but your implying that with a voucher the pupil actually does get rich, which is pure bunk 99% of the time.
      - aj
        
        Lloyd Dinkfein of Goldman, father worked for the US government post office, and went to a public school in Brooklyn with Unionized teachers, and a public municipal university (CUNY) that charged a whopping 0$ for tuition.
        
        I’m not really sure what my point is.
      - Modavations
        
        burn another one
      - Modavations
        
        screw
    - Ray in VT
      
      Surviving on scraps from the master’s table sounds a lot like trickle down economics.
    - Hidan
      
      Moda Troll mirrior s Mark Williams comment.
      
      http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/07/tea-partier-mark-williams-writes-open-letter-to-lincoln-from-the-coloreds/
      
      Mark Williams also claims not to be a racist.
- Hidan
  
  Wow bring up blacks while talking about Iran. Your soooooo not racist.
- Fredlinskip
  
  Conservatives have always been on the right side of history. They supported slavery & later Ku Klux Klan, fought against women’s rights, fought against workers rights, fought on the side of the British during the American Revolution.
  And on and on. Luckily for us, “conservatism” has been on the rise and so a few percent of Americans own a larger and larger percentage of America’s resources and we have Wars aplenty. We are becoming Banana Republic.
  We can all thank conservatives, Heritage Foundation, and raving idiots like Rush and Palin for the mass amount of misinformation that is steadily turning a great nation into a Banana Republic.
  - Gregg
    
    I guess it’s just a lack of curiosity coupled with accepting fed talking points that gives you this very skewed view of history. Democrats filibustered civil rights, Robert Byrd was a KKK guy and Abe Lincoln was a Republican… for starters.
    
    My guess is you are not familiar with Byron York’s work exposing Media Matters and their manipulation of the news via the puppet networks. That radical right winger Alan Dershowitz has declared war on them. But you wouldn’t know all of that.
    - Fredlinskip
      
      The distinction you are failing to recognize here Gregg is the difference between conservatives and Republicans.
      Conservatives have not always been associated with GOP, Progressives have not always been associated with Dems.
      Theodore Roosevelt was Repub, but was progressive- (conservatives in South voted against him). Etc, etc.
      
      You’re right I am not familiar with Byron York’s work you reference, but will investigate time permitting.
Anonymous

I love the comment from Omaha, NE “Ethnic cleansing on the occupied territory and Iran won’t stand for it.”

“Occupied territory”–yes, 85% of historic Palestine is occupied by the 10 million Arabs leaving to the 5 million Jews their small Bantustans.
“Ethnic cleansing”–yes, the Arab operatives in collusion with the Israeli government reduced the 15% even more. The density of Jewish population is three times higher than the Arab one.
The Aryan Iran–yes, it cannot stand for such a Semitic injustice.
- martin
  
  so following your twisted logic perhaps native americans would be justified in bulldozing american homes and herding people into a ghetto 1/5th of the territory of the US and blocking any foreign aid from approaching? I wonder what americans would do then…
  - Modavations
    
    There were no Native Americans.They are tourists from Mongolia who crossed the Land Bridge 19,000 years ago.Honkys are later day tourists
    - Hidan
      
      lame.
    - Fredlinskip
      
      Sounds like you may be a proponent of evolution??
      Don’t forget, Supreme Leader W stated “jury is still out” on evolution and we all used to ride dinosaurs to church.
  - Anonymous
    
    The charge of ethnic cleansing is ridiculous. There are 1.5 million Arab citizens of Israel and their numbers increase from year to year. There is no restriction on them leaving the country, and yet one sees no mass exodus in the face of this supposed “ethnic cleansing.” There are some 3 million Palestinian Arabs in the Palestinian Authority, and their population continues to grow as well.�
    No peaceful co-existence will ever be achievable as long as this kind of ignorant and incendiary language is thrown around. There can be no Peace without Truth.
    - Thomas
      
      You have never visited an Arab-Israeli family have you! The treatment of Arab-Israealis is NOT equal to that of Jewish-Israelis. Also, There is a good reason that we do not see “Mass exodus” of the population: Israel is intentionally making it slow and ‘nearly’ unrecognizable. The indiginous Christian population in the Occupied Territories is 1967 was about 25% - today it is less than 1%. And, anyone who makes a claim that this is because of how Christians are treated by the Muslim majority is not informed. If anything, the illegal Israeli occupation is bringing these people together, strengthening their communities.
      - Anonymous
        
        Thomas,
        I didn’t say that Arab-Israelis are not treated unequally in many ways. What I said is that the charge of ethnic cleansing is absurd and indefensible. Since you did not refute that point, I assume we both agree that there is room for improvement, but that the use of inflammatory and falsified claims only makes it harder to do what must be done to achieve peace and reconciliation.
        
        For what it’s worth, I did live in Israel for several years and had Arab-Israeli roommates. I visited Arab-Israeli towns, and I know of the unequal treatment to which you refer. I currently volunteer with a non-profit co-existence project that targets Arab and Jewish school children. I’m sorry if I gave the impression that I think everything is hunky-dory in Israel.
Plushkin

Hidan mode on
Look at this profile — see someone you know?
That’s the one who blames Saban for being one issue guy.

http://www.npr.org/templates/community/persona.php?uid=5247058

Funny how a person who gets indefinite articles 100% wrong, runs around accusing others of logical fallacies while himself doesn’t even comprehend what they mean and commits them left and right.
Hidan mode off

Muslims and Holy sites are no deterrent for other muslims: look at recent events and watch closely what they are doing to each other. So if Iran gets nukes it will use it without hesitation.

No one wants a war with Iran, but the mullahs.
If they persist they might get what they are asking for.
- Plushkin
  
  Potkin’s blog has become indispensable for understanding of what is really going on in Iran.
  
  http://azarmehr.blogspot.com/2011/12/response-to-seumus-milnes-article-in.html
  - Hidan
    
    No it doesn’t. The link actually claims Iran killed it’s own scientist(half baked is the word the guy used). The rest is junk claiming Iran wants a full scale war
    - Plushkin
      
      Yes it has become invaluable source of understanding. Written by an Iranian sincerely concerned about his country.
- Hidan
  
  I asked you to refrain from stalking me but you choose to still do it.
  
  Seems our non-racist just to prove how he’s not some type of creepy stalker he is posted the above.
  
  I got to thinking this non-racist can’t just be stalking me.(which is disturbing to say the least and have once again reported it) He seems like a muti-stalker kind of guy. So I figure where would our non-racist and non-xenophobe find others to sate his non stalker habits. So I check Al Jazeera to my surprise he had others. Also turns out his a former White South African who got bulled as a kid (and I feel for him I really do bully is tough) who moved to Israel most likely subsided housing thanks to American taxpayers $$$. I not going say his name but this persona has issues and according to his disque,twitter,facebook he hates….. I mean dislikes in the more extremist fashion both blacks and Arabs that consumes all his online life
  
  http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/03/2012351441220366.html
  - Plushkin
    
    LOL.
    sad little jihadist you’re, Mikie Mouser of NPR.
    You should stop playing Sherlock with your pea sized brain, you are not cut for that.
Plushkin

Predictably, antisemites of all sorts are having a field day at onpoint today!

This place is rotten to the core.
- Modavations
  
  Free speech lad.10 of these guys make one real man/woman
  - aj
    
    lol
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68
  
  It is always been that. Muslims and Christians Americans always bashed Jews. I am tired of hearing it too.
  What did the Jewish people did to the world to treated like second class humans? The people of Jesus Christ
  - aj
    
    Christianity is a jewish sect, nothing more. Catholicism is quasi neo-roman empire,
- martin
  
  there is a difference between bashing jews and bashing zionists.
  - Plushkin
    
    that’s what ‘all sorts’ mean. brain dead racists included in case you had any doubt about yourself.
    
    anti-Zionists are inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.
  - Modavations
    
    Watch it kid.Don’t piss Hidan off,he’s the resident anti-semite and AJ the relief pitcher
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

When the Bush administration was trying to explain to Putin that the missles in Poland were defense for Iranian Nuclear missles. Putin said there is no such thing has Iranian nuclear missles.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

iOnePoint:

Limbaugh and Fluke are both addicts. One on prescription drugs and the other on sex.
- Ray in VT
  
  The former was certainly the case at one point, but I think that your latter comment is an unnecessary attack on that woman that is without evidence.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68
    
    My mother once told me that women who loves sex will do anything to avoid pregnancy. The women who have moral values will avoid sex to choose the right partner.
    - Ray in VT
      
      Perhaps, but there are certainly many couples who have chosen their partners and also want limit the number of children that they have, and I do not think that it is productive or necessary to insult (and in this case I would consider referring to her as a sex addict to be an insult) a person whose moral character we do not know. Advocating for the availability and insurance coverage of contraception does not make one a person of poor moral character.
      - Gregg
        
        “Advocating for the availability and insurance coverage of contraception does not make one a person of poor moral character.”
        
        Contraception is readily available… for free at Planned Parenthood. Wanting a Jesuit school to change policy is selfish.
        
        http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&ic=48_0&Find.x=0&Find.y=0&Find=Find&_ta=1&search_query=sexual%20wellness&_tt=sex
      - Ray in VT
        
        One could argue that. But a sex addict or some of the terms that Rush used? I think not.
      - Gregg
        
        I am far more concerned with people thinking contraception is being denied, unavailable or even banned. How does this happen? It’s manufactured, fed and swallowed whole.
      - Ray in VT
        
        I’m concerned when a candidate for President thinks that such a ban would be legal. I don’t think that such a move, even if it could pass somewhere here in the U.S. would stand up in the courts, but there are still places that even recently have prosecuted fornication.
        
        It happens on both sides of the political aisle. Remember when Obama was trying to take our guns and there was a massive run on ammo? People often believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts on the ground.
        
        I don’t know what benefits are offered by Georgetown, but I would be curious to know if they cover Viagra or sterilization. I often find that individuals and organizations make choices that are not entirely consistent.
      - Gregg
        
        “I’m concerned when a candidate for President thinks that such a ban would be legal. ”
        
        Who? I know Santorum has been accused as such but he denied it and has a career of votes opposing it. Did Newt, Paul or Romney advocate it? Hell, forget that, did ANYONE EVER advocate legislation to ban contraception?
      - Modavations
        
        That chick wasn’t scheduled.She was a last minute Switcheroo.
    - Anonymous
      
      Miss Fluke was not talking about her sexual life. Did you not listen to anything she has been saying? You are very wrong.
      Also what does this have to do with Rush Limbaugh’s vile language and personal attacks?
      - Modavations
        
        Rush Limbaugh is a vile little man.Just Vile
      - Ray in VT
        
        Is that why you were pushing his take on Ms. Fluke here last week? Or was that some imposter?
      - Anonymous
        
        Birds of a feather pal.
      - Modavations
        
        Rush is so vile,he’s a vile little man.We should ban him.
      - Ray in VT
        
        He is vile, but he was every right to be a bombastic jackass.
      - Gregg
        
        He’s a harmless lovable fuzzball.
      - Modavations
        
        He’s a National Treasure
      - Modavations
        
        You guys are too much.I’m making fun of this guy.Whenever Jeffe gets frustrated he calls me a vile little man.To me Rush is a National friggin Treasure
    - Gregg
      
      Pregnancy cannot possibly be avoided unless free contraception is provided. No way, no how.
    - Modavations
      
      When I listen to these metro sexual excuse makers, my wrists go limp.Their wives are forvever cheating on them cause they’re bores intellectually and dudes in bed
      - Anonymous
        
        Being that you seem to be on par with these intellectual bores as well as being boorish, I bet the ladies are just all over you.
- Modavations
  
  I’ve had Ms.Fluke.We’ve all had Ms.Fluke.She had one of those Lefty Meterosexual types for a boyfriend and found a sex tool to be more fun.
  - Ray in VT
    
    I would suggest that your comments below relating to Rush may also apply to yourself as well.
  - Modavations
    
    Didn’t you guys ever see the SnL spoof.Some hot chick walks by and the assorted 6 or seven guys all shoty,had her,been there,done er,
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68
  
  The freedom that women were supposed to have found in the Sixties largely boiled down to easy contraception and abortion; things to make life easier for men, in fact.
Wingsofthe101

The issue of U.S. support of Israel in the event it decides to create a preemptive strike on Iran smacks of the entangling alliance web we study as a cause of WWI. No one has held up conclusive evidence that Iran actually is constructing an atomic bomb yet we, in the West, are running around and stirring each other into a war frenzy. War is the lowest form of diplomacy. Insanity is where we are heading. We need rational, calm, well proven information before an armed action, and we must not repeat history, i.e. WWI.
Plushkin

Thorium has recently received global attention as a safer, greener fuel, which produces significantly less waste than uranium, and has no use in the manufacturing of nuclear weapons in sharp contrast to both the enriched uranium and plutonium used exclusively in today’s existing reactors.

http://nuclearstreet.com/nuclear_power_industry_news/b/nuclear_power_news/archive/2009/03/17/increase-in-thorium-reserves-alternative-to-uranium-for-nuclear-power-generation.aspx

why does Iran insist on using uranium? why the installations are hidden under ground?

The answer is simple – they are trying to build a weapon.
- Robert Riversong
  
  All answers are simple to simpletons and ideologues (but I repeat myself).
  - Plushkin
    
    You are free to complicate the hell out of it and enlighten us, but before you resort to personal attacks.
    Also since you mentioned it would you mind to explain why Iran has second largest Jewish population in the middle east, currently assessed at whooping 25K as opposite to 150K in 1948?
  - Gregg
    
    Wow, I wish I was as smart as you.
    - Terry Tree Tree
      
      Ingest LOTS of lead, mercury, cigarette smoke, asbestos dust, and some ‘chemicals’, and you can be as smart as Modavations?
- martin
  
  there exists no current actual power station using thorium. it is all still on drawing boards. you expect a developing country like Iran to go for some untested technology when not even the developed world has a working example.
  if so you are an idiot.
  - Plushkin
    
    hmm that make you a ‘jeenyus’ I guess. What about plutonium?
    - Terry Tree Tree
      
      They get bomb-grade plutonium from nuclear power plants, don’t they?
- Terry Tree Tree
  
  A nuclear physicist that I know, says that Thorium is NOT a viable fuel. The only Thorium reactor ever built to date, did NOT work?
  For OVER 60 years, Fusion power has been ‘twenty-five years in the future’, and stays ‘twenty-five years into the future’!
  Thorium will be the next ‘fusion’?
  - Modavations
    
    If anyone was wondering where Terry’s been,he’s been working on a movie.He’s involved with a remake of the Man From NAMBLA
    - Ray in VT
      
      The National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes?
Modavations

The intention of the Iranians is to smuggle a half assed bomb into the Saudi Oil fields.That’s the game.Why do you think the Arab States are as freaked as Tel Aviv
- TomK in Boston
  
  Where did you get that top secret information, redstate.org?
  
  Let’s see, we overthrew the first democratic leader of Iran, we supported the Shah who was almost as greedy and arrogant as a “private equity” con man, and for the grand finale Reagan used his buddy Saddam to attack Iran with chemical weapons. Geez, if I was Iranian I’d have no doubt that the USA was the Great Satan.
  
  Diplomacy based on understanding of our sorry history vs Iran is what we need to prevent a fiasco far worse than W’s excellent adventure.
  
  It will be good for the military-industrial complex, tho.
  - Modavations
    
    Never heard of em Comrad.
Moondancer010

Such Bull Just listen to Chomsky for straight talk
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/noam-chomsky-on-iran-the-2012-presidential-candidates-anonymous-the-internet-syria-bahrain-turkey-the-security-council-and-education/
- Gregg
  
  I’d rather listen to Van Morrison.
  - Modavations
    
    I’d rather eat cyanide
    - Hidan
      
      No more lead paint?
    - Fredlinskip
      
      You’d rather eat poison than potentially learn something new. Can’t say as I’m surprised.
Modavations

Uss Liberty was hit in the course of the 6 day war.Everyone lost ltrack of the ship and the Israelis were ordered to flatten any boat they were unsure of.Israeli war planes in the area were hunting Egyptian subs,not sent to attack the Liberty.The Liberty was only a few miles off the coast of Sinai,the Israelis feared a hostile,amphibian landing. War is hell and Israel paid many millions to compensate the families
- TomK in Boston
  
  “Dead in the Water” – the story of the most vicious attack on a US Navy ship since WW2.
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311
Ray in VT

Gregg,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03/rick-santorum-birth-control-sodomy_n_1181291.html

Mr. Santorum certainly thinks that they can, apparently. Is he pushing for it legislatively, not that I’ve ever been aware of it, but it does concern me when a candidate thinks that the legislature should have the power to decide whether or not my wife and I can use birth control.

Go ahead and knock me for being an alarmist or something, but it was my feeling that the issue of whether or not contraception was legal was settled, and when a candidate suggests that it only is as long as the majority says so, it shocks me. I thought that liberty won out on this one long ago.

This is an annoying bit of election year politics that has gotten blown up, but are you going to defend his position? And with that, I bid you adieu. I am off to Town Meeting, and then home for lasagna. Happy Super Tuesday.
- Gregg
  
  We are going to get scolded for being off-topic so I’ll keep it short. Santorum said: “The state has a right to do that…”
  I will listen to the interview for context later to find out what “that” is. It makes a difference doesn’t it? You suspect Fox, I suspect everybody and Huffington Post more than most. Santorum has voted for funding contraception in the past. But it’s a 10th amendment issue. The states certainly have a right ban doritos if they want to… or beer on sunday. Didn’t New York ban transfats?
  
  http://prohibitionrepeal.com/legacy/hall.asp
  - Fredlinskip
    
    you’re off topic (kidding)
Christian

Israeli officials call for starving millions of Iranians
http://www.infowars.com/israeli-officials-call-for-starving-millions-of-iranians/

So starving 80 million Iranians is Israel’s ‘Final Solution’ for solving this crisis.
- harry
  
  you have your own news channel ? Wow you can fabricate your own news!!!!!
Patrick

In his news conference this afternoon, President Obama hit the nail on the head:

“If some of these [chickenshit chickenhawks] think we should launch a war, they should say so.” (my edit).

Bueller….? Bueller…?
Daniel

Today was my first time catching the show. I tried to call because I was just dumbfounded and ticked off at the call in comments. Those people must live down the rabbit hole with Alice. History either means nothing or they just flagrantly oppose proven truth and fact. In a nut shell… Iran intends on blowing Israel off the plane( imanutjob said so 3 years ago), Palestine doesn’t want peace. They too want no Israel. Israel has gone way across the aisle (remember the land grants). Obama is a lying Muslim bent on taking down the USA. and his weapon of choice is financial ruin(it is ok for a musl
- Fredlinskip
  
  Nuke Iran. Ask questions later.
  The “All we have to fear is fear itself crowd” are pansies living in Wonderland.
  Get real folks.
  - Whit
    
    Do comments like these make anyone else shutter? Dumb
    - Gregg
      
      Yea.
- Xyin888
  
  Israel led by the bully Netanyahu has lost my sympathy. And I am not alone in this view.
- Whit
  
  Hate Muslims much?
Daniel

it is ok for a Muslim to lie if it destroys the infidel…cause God knows, he ain’t no Christ follower!… If it walks like a… You know the rest… And anybody who takes offense…breathe deep, grunt and remove your head.
Roy Mac

Netanyahu is a jerk–probably a prerequisite to winning in Israeli politics, just as in the US. The US has intentionally entangled itself with Israel for many reasons and at much cost–mostly to use Israel as a surrogate in that part of the world. When the US actually needs to pay the tab, there is a momentary howling, but NO explanation to the US taxpayers.
RedM

I am so sick and tired of America being brow-beaten to do Israel’s dirty work.
Anonymous

President Obama is exactly right in his approach to both Iran and Israel. Re: Iran, working with our allies to impose harsh sanctions on Iran and making it not worthwhile for them to pursue nuclear weapons is the only long-term solution. At the same time, he made clear that should push come to shove, America will take military action to defend itself and its allies. It is only natural that Prime Minister Netanyahu would see things differently–he and his country, after all, are on the front lines and in the crosshairs (literally and rhetorically) of Iran. Netanyahu has less room to maneuver, and thus his greater sense of urgency. I think the two leaders understand each other very clearly, and in that sense, I don’t believe any alleged bad-blood between them is in any way relevant to their thinking and decision making on this issue. Israel is not going to do anything rash, but it’s risk tolerance is understandably going to be less than ours. There is a healthy democratic debate in Israel about the costs of striking Iran too soon, and I am not worried about any rash action. The Obama administration will be a staunch defender of Israel, both out of a recognition that we do indeed share many interests, and out of a respect for our duty to our best ally.
Gregg

Today President Obama said:

“And when I see the casualness with which some of these folks talk about war, I’m reminded of the costs involved in war…. And, you know,
when I see some of these folks who have a lot of bluster and a lot of
big talk, but when you actually ask them specifically what they would
do, it turns out they repeat the things that we’ve been doing over the
last three years. It indicates to me that that is more about politics
than actually trying to solve a difficult problem.”

Maybe we wouldn’t be in the is position if our President hadn’t taken this “casual” approach to Iran:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5qP2oPdtQ&feature=player_embedded

And just what is it he is bragging about having done about Iran? He was dragged kicking and screaming. The man is shameless and people ate it up today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/senate-passes-iran-sanctions-100-0-obama-objects-really/2011/12/02/gIQA7yELKO_blog.html
- Zero
  
  Yeah, another war with a Muslim country based on speculations would have been better. And while we are at it, let’s lower taxes on the rich again.
  
  Problems solved.
  - Gregg
    
    I don’t remember advocating another war and we haven’t lowered taxes on the rich in a decade. Is anyone suggesting that?
    - Zero
      
      Just the every republican running except Ron Paul.
      - Gregg
        
        Ron Paul wants to eliminate income tax all together!!!! What are you talking about?
        
        Anywho, the candidate’s plans to restructure the entire tax code is a different ball game than tax cuts for the rich.
      - Zero
        
        I clearly said taxes and war. I know about Ron Paul’s monetary point of view, but he wants out of wars, which is the reason that I excluded him from the others.
        
        And please, republicans are trying to lower the individual tax rate on the rich…everybody knows that.
Gregg

Has Obama set foot is Israel as President? Is there a major Muslim capital he hasn’t? Just wondering.
- Hidan
  
  google works..
  - Gregg
    
    It was rhetorical. Everyone knows whose side Obama is on.
Zero

Today, Jon McCain said we implement air strikes in Syria. John Boehner rebuffed, saying it would be “premature.”

Apparently, witnessing thousands die is not enough evidence that thousands more will die as well, but speculative wars like Iraq and Iran would be okay.

Thank god one republican still regards living breathing human live over product.
Gregg

Pardon me while I interrupt this show with the latest development.

Carbonite’s stock price plummets 12% on the news they stabbed Rush in the back. They will rue the day. More sponsor fallout to follow.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/06/investors-flee-carbonite-after-limbaugh-announcement/

Now, back to your regular broadcast.
- Gregg
  
  Update: Even Bill Maher…
  
  https://twitter.com/#!/billmaher/statuses/177186344697733120
  
  Carry on.
- Zero
  
  Didn’t all the stocks plummet because the European Union’s GDP is contracting?
  - Gregg
    
    Nope, it outpaced the NASDAQ.
    - Zero
      
      GDP and NASDAQ ain’t apples to apples. Please explain what you mean.
      - Gregg
        
        Carbonite (a tech stock) fell 9 1/2 points more than the NASDAQ index. The article I linked explains it.
      - Zero
        
        Does Carbonite sell to European markets?
    - Modavations
      
      Gregg,this guys a liar,you will get no where.
      - Gregg
        
        I just want it on record. Advertisers are fools to ditch their money wagon.
      - Zero
        
        What part of European GDP is contracting is a lie.
        
        P.S. I responded on the previous thread.
Hidan

Another poster made this point.

On 18 September 2009, the IAEA called on Israel to join the NPT and open
its nuclear facilities to inspection. The resolution said that the IAEA
“expresses concern about the Israeli nuclear capabilities, and calls
upon Israel to accede to the NPT and place all its nuclear facilities
under comprehensive IAEA safeguards… ”

http://www.iaea.org/About/Policy/GC/GC54/GC54Documents/English/gc54-14_en.pdf

But Israel continues to refuse … and we do not here much about THAT in our media. Why is that???
- Marty
  
  Because Israel is a DEMOCRACY, just like the US.
Hidan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11709428

How does Iran justify its refusal to obey the Security Council resolutions?

Under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), a signatory state has the right to enrich uranium to be used as fuel for civil nuclear power. Such states have to remain under inspection by the IAEA. Iran is under inspection, though not under the strictest rules allowed because it will not agree to them. Only those signatory states with nuclear weapons at the time of the treaty in 1968 are allowed to enrich to the higher level needed for a nuclear weapon.

Iran says it is simply doing what it is allowed to do under the treaty and intends to enrich only for power station fuel or other peaceful purposes. It says the UN resolutions are politically motivated. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said: “The Iranian nation will not succumb to bullying, invasion and the violation of its rights.”

What does Iran say about developing nuclear weapons?

It says it will not make a nuclear bomb. Following the IAEA report, President Ahmadinejad declared: “We do not need an atomic bomb. The Iranian nation is wise. It won’t build two atomic bombs while you have 20,000 warheads.”

Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who is reported to have issued a fatwa some time ago against nuclear weapons, has said: “We fundamentally reject nuclear weapons.”
Hidan

How does the nuclear plant at Bushehr fit in?

This reactor was started in the 1970s under the Shah but then put on hold until recently when the Russians finished it. The Russians will provide raw fuel and take away the spent fuel, which could potentially be used to make a plutonium-based nuclear bomb.

Bushehr is technically separate from the issue of enrichment. However, the US says that because Russia is providing the fuel, Iran does not need its own enrichment programme. Iran says that the reactor shows that it does have a civil nuclear power plan and that it needs to develop enrichment to serve this in the longer term.
Fredlinskip

   If GOP had won last Prez election, there is no doubt America would presently be hearing fictitious tales the likes of mobile chemical factories, aluminum tubes, and yellowcake from Niger that would be shown to be outright fabrication only after War with Iran had started as was case in Iraq.
   Certainly we’d be hearing of Al Qaeda connections in Iran, probably Iran plots to kill Netanyahoo, Iranian terrorist cells in America.
   Although I’m not happy with all of Obama administration’s War policy, let’s all be thankful we at least currently have an administration that cares about facts instead of a disingenuous admin who have no qualms about promoting fictional viewpoints for personal gain.
- Gregg
  
  Too far gone to even try.
  - Fredlinskip
    
    I think there are those that have already suspected this, but appreciate the confession.
Christian

Attack on Iran means World War 3
http://www.youtube.com/user/zionget?ob=0&feature=results_main#p/u/16/QK1Sa8k9hx8
Christian

World considers U.S. and Israel threat to world peace, not Iran,
Noam Chomsky
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/229912.html
- harry
  
  AND WHO DOES THE WORLD CALL WHEN THEY ARE IN TROUBLE?
- harry
  
  and as you say “jews control the world ” ,how were 6 million killed in world war II?
Erik

Dear Republican presidential candidates: think about your chances if by election day Obama is Wartime President, with all the photo ops and the ringing of the wagons. I predict that like most nations, Americans will reflexively rally around the commander in chief, especially if the war has been sold to them well. Even more so if the war is seen as being well executed, and as much as it galls you to admit it, Obama can lead a good war.
Peace,
a Euro-American social-democrat.
- Gregg
  
  I admit no such thing.
Modavations

President Romney has sent his condolences to Herr Kucinich.After a few hundred years as appologist for the Dependency party he will retire to a post as Marxist Professor at the Kennedy School
Modavations

I think Carbonite will rue the day.I will suggest to all my mates that they have nothing to do with the companies that have withdrawn as advertisers of Rush.Cowards bowing to the P.C.Police
- Gregg
  
  I’m making a list and checking it twice. I’m all over it.
  - Ray in VT
    
    I’m far more willing to consider using Carbonite now to transport my frozen rebel smugglers.
    - Gregg
      
      Go with Mozy.
Brett

Who would Jesus bomb?
- Gregg
  
  Iran.
  - Fredlinskip
    
    Jesus- the Great Advocator of Warfare, Death, and hate.
    
    I must have missed that part.
http://www.ecoevolution.org/ Ian G

I’m done. There is no Iranian Nuclear Threat, no matter how many shows OnPoint, Tom Ashbrook and his producers try to ram down our throats to try and convince us otherwise. This just simply isn’t journalism anymore….
harry

I wonder what happened to all the “flotillas ” to Syria?
Whit

Lets give Iran the bomb. Does anybody honestly think they will use it?

How much will it cost ( money , research, resources, man power etc…)?

Ian G is correct.
Mkkestin

Tom, Could not believe my ears after the first caller last night. You agreed and said something to the effect that the Israeli ethnic cleansing of palestinians is aggravating Iran. Israel is a Democracy.   The PLO charter calls for Israels destruction. The Arab League’s charter calls for the same. Israel offered 98% of the land back in exchange for peace, twice! And was twice rejected. When The Muslim world accepts a Jewish State in their midts, which will NEVER happen then the region will know more peace than ever.

Please know your history. And the liberal history of the middle east but the truth. I am not a liberal or a conservative but a seeker of the truth.

The PLO was founded in 1964 and did not call for its own land until Israel defeated Jordan in 1967.. Did you know this? The palestinian situation is sad but to merely create a new contemporary history of the middle east based on alligator tears for the underdog does nobody justice.

Most professors in universities in the US and Western Europe on the middle east are Arab and primarily of Muslim decent. Do you think they will present the discussion of the Arab/Israeli conflict fairly?

The NY Times last Fall had about 20 op ed pieces omn Israel……All but one put Israel in a bad light……The psychology behind this is liberals, not wanting war and hating violence cannot stand an “aggressor” a.k.a. Israel defending itself…

Please seek out other sources of news then you currently use. You will be surprised!    Myths and facts . com is a good place to start

Thank you for a great show and looking forward to my ride home tomorrow night.   Marty K
- http://www.ecoevolution.org/ Ian G
  
  Part of the problem here is that BOTH sides (both being hard right Israelis and anti-Israel extremists) use selective history to bolster their views. Parroting this selective history helps neither side.
- Thomas
  
  Wow. Mk, you clearly do not have a comprehensive understanding of the Palestinian situation.
Mkkestin

PS: Ethnic cleansing! You are comparing a democracy (in one of which you live) to the third reich, The Rwandan atrocities and bosnia / Croatia. Is the presses delivery really that jaded against Israel?
Anonymous

The assumption that Iran has a nuclear weapons program is the underlying unquestioned assumption that is driving the rhetoric of this debate.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far none has been proffered.

Let’s not forget that Irsael is only very heavily nuclear armed state in the middle east. Unlike Iran, Israel is not a member of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.

Basically we’re putting the Iranians in position to try to prove that something doesn’t exist without putting the warmongers in in the position of proving that something does exist.

When will Hilary Clinton present the evidince at the UN like her predecessors; Colin Powell and Adali Stevenson?

If we don’t take what the Iranians seriously why should we take the warmongers seriously with out evidence of their assertion about Iran’s alleged nuclear program?
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKI7HP7Y4PIOIH7J2PMXOQ4QFM Skip

Its Unaceptable For USA to use DU Bombs as they have inside Iraq and now Libya Leaving behind a Legacy of Silent Death Just see rise in Birth defects in Iraq? Who are more aggressive Israel or Iran? Do not see Iran sending Assasins into Israel to Murder scientists?
And Israel holds Nukes Just look what they are conducing against
Palesinians these are People or has this just been accepted Slaughter?
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKI7HP7Y4PIOIH7J2PMXOQ4QFM Skip

Who Monitors Israel or USA for that Matter This Governement but be the Most Corrupt in living History?(Fast & Furious) Silenced
Media dont even mention this Gun Running? And Drugs being flown in from Afgahnistan?
Mafia are in Control NDAA welcome to Camp Fema Activated and Open for Sheeple?
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