The Latino Agenda In 2012

With Mike Pesca in for Tom Ashbrook

In advance of the GOP debate in Arizona, we’ll look at what Latinos want in 2012.

In this May 10, 2011, file photo audience members listen to President Barack Obama speak about immigration reform at Chamizal National Memorial Park in El Paso, Texas. A year before the 2012 presidential election, Hispanic voters face a choice: continue to support Obama despite being disproportionately hurt by the economic downturn or turn to Republicans at a time when many GOP presidential hopefuls have taken a hard line on immigration. (AP)

In this May 10, 2011, file photo audience members listen to President Barack Obama speak about immigration reform at Chamizal National Memorial Park in El Paso, Texas. A year before the 2012 presidential election, Hispanic voters face a choice: continue to support Obama despite being disproportionately hurt by the economic downturn or turn to Republicans at a time when many GOP presidential hopefuls have taken a hard line on immigration. (AP)

On the day of the GOP debate in Arizona, immigration is sure to come to the fore. Almost 22 million Latino voters will be eligible to vote in the 2012 presidential election. Hispanic voters have power at the polls. They can turn the election in most swing states this November.

But what’s the Latino agenda?  Immigration reform for sure, almost every Latino voter supports the Dream Act.  But because the federal government under president Obama has deported more than a million immigrants, there is an opening for Republicans.

This hour, On Point Latinos – que quere?

-Mike Pesca

Guests

Alan Gomez, Reporter for USA Today.

Charles Garcia, CEO of Garcia Trujillo, a business focused on the Hispanic market, and the author of “Leadership Lessons of the White House Fellows.” A native of the Republic of Panama, he now lives in Florida.

Victoria DeFrancesco Soto, a fellow of the LBJ School of Public Affairs’ Center for Politics and Governance at the University of Texas, is the director of communications for Latino Decisions.

Arnoldo Torres, former executive director of the League of United Latin American Citizens he is also a commentator for Univision.

From The Reading List

Arizona Republic “Nearly seven weeks since the Iowa caucuses, the GOP race remains far from settled. And although the Republicans have had no shortage of high-profile debates — there have been 25 so far — this week’s Arizona event marks the candidates’ first joint appearance since Jan. 26. It also is the only debate in the crucial run-up to the Arizona and Michigan primaries Feb. 28.”

USA Today “When it comes to Latino voters, Republicans must have un impulso suicida. What else but a death wish could explain the party’s treatment of the fastest-growing voting bloc in the nation? First was the wave of Arizona-style immigration laws. Then came the anti-immigrant rhetoric from the GOP presidential candidates. On Tuesday, Senate Republicans roughed up Adalberto Jose Jordan — because, well, just because they could.”

Washington Post Writers Group “A few years ago, commentator Patrick Buchanan published a book where he argued that the United States was better off when most of the immigrants to its shores came from Europe and not Africa, Asia, and Latin America.”

 
  • Anonymous

    Latinos are waking up more day by day, including those of us of La Raza, to include Chicanos, Mexicans and those of indigenous origin. We are a complex people not easily captured by one term. I hope we get over the Kennedy-era fixation on only the Democratic Party and look at the big picture on a global scale. Venceremos!
    @Peta_de_Aztlan:twitter

    • Obi Wan Cory

      What is he English translation of “La Raza”?

      • Trader José

        The paragraphs below were lifted from Wikipedia, but I thought that the article was spot on.  I’ve highlighted in green the definition of La Raza I grew up with in the Spanish-speaking Caribbean.  

        In the Spanish language the term Raza translates to
        “The Race”. Its meaning varies amongst various Spanish-speaking
        peoples. For instance, in Spain, “Raza” may
        denote specifically Spanish and often of a something or someone of a European Christian heritage. The Francoist film Raza, from 1944, which celebrates ideally Spanish
        qualities, is an example of this usage. In Latin America, depending on the location, it may
        primarily emphasize Spanish and European heritage, and/or the family, such as
        the name Dia de la Raza to mark the arrival of Christopher Columbus
        to America. In other Latin American contexts, it is used more expansively to
        describe the race formed by the fusion of White people, Native
        American and African peoples in Latin America. In this way, “La Raza”
        symbolically means “the people”.

         

        In the United States, “La Raza” is sometimes
        used to denote people of Chicano and Mexican mestizo descent as well as other Latin American mestizos who share Native American
        heritage. The term is rarely inclusive of entirely European
        or African
        descended Hispanic
        peoples.

        • Trader José

          This is the part of the article that applies to the Caribbean (the highlight didn’t show):

          the name Dia de la Raza to mark the arrival of Christopher Columbus to America. In other Latin American contexts, it is used more expansively to describe the race formed by the fusion of White people, Native American and African peoples in Latin America. In this way, “La Raza”
          symbolically means “the people”.

      • Modavations

        The Race.

    • Obi Wan Cory

      Aren’t we supposed to be striving to be “post racial”?  My ancestors hail from Ireland, England, Germany, and Polish Pomerania.  I’d be pretty creepy to proclaim “Up with the Germanic/Teutonic race”.

      Also, you refer to La Raza, but then say that you are complex and cannot be captured by one term.  Which is it? 

      • aj

        The difference between Irish and German is not Race, it is Ethnicity.  The difference between European and African is Race.  These are distinct concepts.

        Indeed, we should be post-ethnic, but to suggest that we are post-racial is pure denial, when confronted with political-social-economic realities.  Respectfully.

        • Obi Wan Cory

          I actually agree with you, but topics like this move us in the wrong direction.

          Irish, German, etc are all “white”.  That’s what I was tryingto say.  All of my roots are white, yet it wouldn’t be viewed as acceptable to tout my white pride. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/allen.match Allen Match

            What is truly incredible is that you make an attempt to respond to Peta_de_Aztlan’s comment, even though you have no idea what he was referring to.  It is apparent that you do not have a sufficient command of the Mexican, Latino Chicano etc. culture to even relate in the most trivial way to what he was trying to communicate.  Pathetic. 

          • Obi Wan Cory

            Sure is a good thing I don’t require your permission to speak.  Feel free in the future to COMPLETELY IGNORE anything I post here.  I will try to carry on without your approval.

      • oopsie

        There is no difference between race and ethnicity, they are both culturally constructed and have no basis in biology or any other quantifiable science. My Greek grandparents were not seen as ‘white’ when the emigrated.  The perspective of the U.S. dominant culture has changed, but Greek people are still Greek people.

        • aj

          Pure denial.  Though your Greek grandparents might of been seen as greek; to equate their experiences with the african-american (both latin and North american) is really quite nieve, with all due respect.

          Greeks, Italians, Jews, etc. were not brought over to the new world (again either latin or north america) in chains and stacked like sardines in the hulls of ships, in the dark for weeks, marinating in their own piss and s**t like trash.  And then for the next 350 years worked to death literally on sugar plantations, cotton, tobacco, etc.

          Bought and sold, whipped, mother and son separated forever, and when escaped, hunted down like dogs and murdered.

          Then once freed from the bonds of slavery, oppressed by 150 years of apartheid, sub-jugation and rascist institutionalized exclusion from participating in society.

          This is the reality for africans either in Brazil, Mexico, Hispaniola, or South Carolina.  The white(european) man, whether in latin america or north america carries this burden.

          Not to mention the genocide of the indigenous american (again north or south) by the white (european) man.

          To ignore this historical reality when crafting policy, is hubris and ignorance in my humble opinion.  Respectfully.

  • Obi Wan Cory

    In advance of the GOP debate in Arizona, we’ll look at Latinos want in 2012.

    Ooh!  ooh!  I know!

    Arizona, Texas, California, New Mexico, our jobs, citizenship for their children, and a multi-lingual America!

    Bwahahaha!

    • bellavida

      Your job?  Really? You think Latinos want “your” job? Did you not listen to the show?  The reason so many are here illegally is PRIMARILY because business will hire them mostly in the service sector.  You want to make beds all day in a hotel room do you?

  • Hidan

    One would think not to be profiled because there latino’s. How’s it going to look at the debate when the audience is almost exclusively white while all the protestors outside are an mix of America. 

    The GOP is not looking out for Latino’s and will go on losing the Latino voting block.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Latinos, and any other minority, have only to look at the pictures of U.S. Presidents, over the past hundred years, to see which party they have the best chances with?
       I try hard to not be biased.  Latinos, blacks, women, and any others, are treated with respect by me, until they show they don’t deserve that respect.
      Knowing people trying to get U.S. Citizenship through legal means, I DO NOT believe ANYONE should be placed in line for citizenship ahead of them!
       Breaking the law to get here, and breaking the laws to stay, do not enhance someone’s bid for citizenship, with me!
       Latinas and Latinos have been a part of this country, since BEFORE it became a country, and that gives them a voice here, in my opinion.

    • Hidan

      bhahahahahahaahahaah…….bhahahhahahaahha……bhahahaha

      Funny Jokes  you got today

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Thanks, I got a laugh.  Without your above explaination, I would have been confused?

    • Hidan

       My bad,

      It was supposed to be directed to Greggs Post.

      • Gregg

        Family values, a place of worship, freedom, liberty, opportunity, education for their children are just a few of the things Latinos want that the rest of us want. Sorry you poo poo it. Your loss.

  • Gregg

    Why would any American of Latino descent want anything different than any American of any descent? And what is the implication of the question? Is it who will pander the most to get votes?

    • Anonymous

      The GOP has not been the best in the pandering arena.
      All those anti-immigrant and demonizing that’s been at the forefront of the party wont help get a lot of votes.
      If it is about pandering, the GOP has a lot of crow to eat.

      • Gregg

        The GOP panders with the best of’m. There is nothing “Anti-Immigrant” about the GOP. I don’t suppose the word “illegal” serves as any kind of distinction for you so you get out your broad brush.

        • aj

          Well said, Sir.

        • Anonymous

          Are you listening to this show or not.
          If the GOP is so good at pandering then why are they failing on this front with Latinos?
          Wake up. Immigration is a hotbed issue in this community and the GOP is not doing so well. The GOP is not doing well with the African American vote either.

          I never said anything about illegal or legal, did I.

          • Gregg

            Who said the GOP was good at pandering? I’d rather just think about what’s good for Americans and drop ALL the hyphens.

            Indeed you didn’t mention legal or illegal. You make no distinction as I wrote. You then say the GOP is anti-immigrant when they are anti-illegal immigrant. That was my point. There are plenty of legal immigrants who oppose illegal immigration.

        • Libertad

          Why should he when the host doesn’t even bother….

          • Anonymous

            Ah yes the voice of reason from the libertarian. I have an idea, if you don’t like paying taxes don’t use the roads, bridges, or anything else that the rest of us pay for. Your ideology is DOA. You can’t run a town, city, state, or a nation without revenue.
             

          • Libertad

            Who’s against limited government for things like that?

            Interesting that the Federal Income Tax wasn’t enacted until 1913, and the World spun on it’s axis and people did and had things, including public use.

            It’s your blanket dismissals that are intellectually dishonest.

  • Modavations

    There are three parties in Mexico,PAN,PRI,PRD.The PRD is the Communist Party(aMY gOODWIN WAS DOWN THERE TRYING TO GET THEM IN),PRI are the Democrats(Carville was down there,working for them)and PAN(Republicans).In 2000 the PAN took over.vIVE Vicente Fox.Mexico is booming because they embrace Laissez Faire.tHEY DON’t have welfare,they have the Nuclear Family.Affluence and technology bloom.

    • Hidan

      What’s it like in Moda World? Still hanging the Strong Thurmond pictures?

      I see the drug problem since 2000 has gotten worst and immigration went up until the U.S. Laissez Faire economy crashed and burn and had to be bailed out by……the Communist Party of China.

      p.s.

      No blacks vouchers today or all you taking the day off to bash Latinos?

      • Modavations

        I thought you were the forums resident anti semite.Are you expanding your portfolio

    • Obi Wan Cory

      Who is it booming for?  How are the folks at the bottom doing?  Y’know, those who aren’t sufficiently endowed with the entrepernuerial spirit, or those who aren’t very bright?  The undeniable truth about unrestrained competition is that SOMEONE must lose. 

      • Modavations

        Comrad,you wake up every morning looking for crisis.You wallow in misery.I have 42 years in Mexico and you’re so wrong.It’s my favorite place in the world.Haven’t you done enough with your destruction of the American Black.Wait till your Karma catches up

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Lots of booming and banging in the drug-wars?  We have more than enough of that here?

  • aj

    Except for Puerto Ricans, the fact is this, all white latin americans who snuck in to the country or more likely overstayed their visa need to get the f**k out of this country. NOW!!  Period.

    African latin americans should be offered a full new student-visa and subsidized in-state tuition to a public state college or university and upon graduation can go back to their home country with a degree.  OR if they choose to, they can go back now with a modest payment for the inconvenience.

    Indigenous latin americans should be given a permanent Green card or legal residency without the option for citizenship, OR allowed to be full citizens in the new independent Nation of New Mexico. 

    Which was stolen in the Mexican war and should be negotiated between authorities of Mexico, Indigenous representatives from the region, State of New Mexico’s governor, and U.S. state and Interior department.  With a timeline to eventually lead to a quasi-independent Nation of New Mexico intended for indigenous Mestizo’s, Navaho’s and the like.

    The embargo and travel restrictions should be lifted immediately with Cuba, Guantanamo Bay should be given back to Cuban authorities like the Panama Canal in 1978.

    • Obi Wan Cory

      Totally agree with the part about Cuba.  Enough already.

      • Modavations

        Michael Moores hospital was a Communist Party member only ,facility.Regular citizens are treated in Charnel Houses.The Party chooses the canidates,then allows you to vote.Undercover cops follow Europeans and Gringos that go to Havana.You’d be in heaven comrad.No worries about free speech and all that messy stuff.

  • Modavations

    The current president is Senor Cardenas.All my pals(I run my business in Taxco) love him.Free enterprise has greatly expanded technology and affluence.Burros have been replaced by Audis,Fords,Killer Pick Ups,et al.I can’t get NPR(no one wants a straightas- ,lefty station),but I can get O’Reilly and Hannity.As usual the problems in Mexico are caused by Unions(Pemex,et al).

    • Obi Wan Cory

      Really?  Mexico would be a utopia, save for the unions?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

        Of course it would. Unions are obviously the source of every problem Mexico faces today. It’s not like theres a drug war going on thats killing thousands a year or anything

        • Modavations

          Three guesses where the dope is heading.Remember Al Capone,remember Chicago,USA?I’ll take my chances any day of the week in D,F., as opposed to Pres.Obama’s south side,Trenton,Newark,Roxbury,Camden,WashD.C.Should I go on?

        • Modavations

          You mean the undocumented Pharmacists?

        • Vince D

          Or the elite class that live the high life and keeps th emasses in poverty.

          Or the birthrate.

          Or the American corporations exploiting cheap labor.

          Or NAFTA, which decimated the Mexican farmers….

          Mexico has LOTS of problems, perhaps Regime change should have been applied there instead of Iraq… Now that statement will get people’s knockers all twisted up!

          • Modavations

            Man it really sucks, all that voting and stuff.Who needs it.Let’s adopt the Cuban model(no voting).How ’bout the Hugo Chavez’ technique?During the last plebescite  one and a half million guys endorsed an opposition canidate  . Hugo got a judge who forced the opponents to turn in their list.Shortly the opposition started losing their jobs,their pensions,their ability to get health care etc,.This time around ,after Chavez got a judge to demand the names,the oppostion burned them.Right up your ally you NAZI

      • Modavations

        Unions killed Eastern Airlines,they killed American Airlines,they killed Gm,they killed the P.Office,they killed…..

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Executives’ pay and complete benefit package, for EACH of those companies, especially 2 years before to 3 years after the bankruptcy?   Compared to the lowest, and highest paid union employees?
             REAL TRUTH, NOT some of your wild assertions, please?

  • Modavations

    La Raza is a communist organization,a front group for the Democrats.They are trying to ensnare Chicanos into the Welfare Web,make them dependent,steal their souls.I don’t think it will work.Mexicans are the hardest working people in the world,according to CNN(Belgians are the biggest slugs).

    • Corythatcher

      Ich bin eine Belgianer!!! 

      • Modavations

        Io sono Italiano.

      • Modavations

        Belgieren,or Belgisch unless you’re Walloon then it’s Je suis.Belge…..You certainly would fit right in as a LOON

    • agar

      Modavations, give it a rest, mate.Post less, lurk more. Seriously, the blindly anti-union viewpoint (or theology, in your case) is very well spoken for.

      And in 2009, Belgium ranked fifth in the world for GDP/per hour worked (labor productivity defined), immediately behind the US at 4th. So you may be working hard, but your sworn enemies across the pond seem to be working smart. Why don’t you get with the program, and ask your boss for some more vacation time. You certainly work hard enough, I’m sure. Not scared, are you?

      • Anonymous

        He works for himself. Or so he says. He also clams to only post while working. This guy is OTL.

        • Modavations

          Burp

      • Modavations

        CNN 2011,Mexicans hardest workers on the planet,Belgians the biggest slugs.If you want the up to the minute Belgian Pol.news, check my post on”Employers Morals” 3:47 PM.It must really suck having to listen to all this free speech.AS that old fossil Fritz Hollings(I forgot his state) used to say,”there’s too much free speech goin on roun here”.

    • Mark Honwana

      Modavations, get some work and get busy, perhaps you could use this time to expand your business which you claim to run rather than posting drivel on the net. You have issues man.

      • Modavations

        Free speech is a bitch.I write a few paragraphs a day ,while Jeffe,Raymundo,Trfx et al.write War and Peace.Your just freaked because you think I’m a menace to Limosine Liberal Land.And you’re right

        • Ray in VT

          Do you have something against people who have thoughts longer than three sentences?  Not everyone boil their thoughts down into a few distorted soundbites.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Moda said earlier, that he has ADHD?

  • Modavations

    Chavos,Los Mexicanos no necesitan el estado grande,no necesitan el estado  Welfare.Cuidas sus familias.Los Mexicanos no estan communistas,los Mexicanos estan gentes libres.Vive Mexico.Mexico de mi corazon.

    • M.A.

      “son”, no “estan”!

      • Modavations

        nada mas que”nit picking”.pero disculpame

        • Terry Tree Tree

          YOU nit-pick, then make MORE mistakes than most everyone else?

  • Libertad

    Are we still enamored with a piecemeal, random-walk, special-interest by special-interest engineering of our country, something that leads to resentments and corruptions of special privileges or attention?

    Or can we get back to discussing an American Agenda that is blind to groups, and is based on the Constitution and the same Rule of Law for all?

    Makes for spicy discussion, but it’s really not a very productive way to look at things for our long term justice and opportunity goals.

    • Obi Wan Cory

      No, probably not.

    • TFRX

      Dave’s back. And apparently he thinks racism is over.

      • Libertad

        Good lord, the perennial victim, cynic is back.

        • TFRX

          Yes, let’s two white northerners talk about racism. Only one of us is pretending it doesn’t exist.

          • Libertad

            What is the point of a statement like that?  What does racism have to do with Constitutional Rule of Law society?

            If people harm you, you can seek  redress through the courts.

            You seem to be someone who would like to believe we can legislate against people being jerks or A-holes.

            Do you support private establishments that are run in discriminatory ways or that treat you badly?  How does that work out for them on yelp?

            Eventually such places become rotten little echo-chambers of hate that can just stew away on their own.  If they lash out, they can be held accountable to the law.

            Wish as we might, there is no legislative fix for jerks. 

            How many here recommend we legislate against “jerks”, as opposed to using the law to address harm done against us?

          • Libertad

            Like this comment to legislate against “Jerkiness” or “A-holedom”.

          • TFRX

            You have previously identified as white, male, from Connecticut, and with a PhD.

            I’m not cynical, except against bubble-inhabinting Libertarians who
            can’t imagine why the federal government needs to protect the rights and
            dignitites of people who don’t have the many “birthrights” that white Americans have enjoyed and never had to fight for.

            I would ask you explain your ideas about racism in Alabama (the “rot in the fields” law) and Arizona (the “verr are yurr paperz” law) and how that doesn’t indicate racism. But it’s not worth the bother for your handwaving answer.

          • Libertad

            Its 2012, and the country isn’t about to turn back now, just to provide cover for DNC campaign points.

      • Anonymous

        I thought his name of the day was clever. 

        • Libertad

          I do aim to satisfy….

  • Libertad

    Lots of hyperbolic talk of “rounding up” etc, but why should we not expect most Latinos respect the Rule of Law, and in fact value that concept in wanting to be here?

  • Libertad

    Is there an American Dream Act? Or is this a special interest political pander to a growing electoral segment?

    Immigrate Legally.  Participate in American economic and legal system.

    If already here and Latino:
    Participate in American economic and legal system.

    Why does it need to be more complicated or managed than that?

    Politicians love the pandering and political hay that special interest groups make possible.

    But it dissolves the fabric of our society.

  • Libertad

    Interesting show Mike,

    Could you please address this idea of identifying and trying to rectify “special group problems” vs. just making sure our blind Rule of Law is at work in our economy and justice system for all.

  • mg- Omaha, NE

    I Support all Americans and Freedom of speech. A real discussion is on air. Hate is filling this comment sections.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

      Welcome to the Pit. Drown them out or use them as a foil for coherent and thoughtful discussion as sadly they will not go away.

    • Ray in VT

      Unfortunately that is what happens here on some of the heated topics.  There are some regulars who just do not like each other at all.

    • Obi Wan Cory

      Then what are you DOING here?

  • Anonymous

    The Latino commentator claims that the Latino education gap is the fault of lack of government  financing of Latino pre-schools. That is a joke. This is one of the most bogus explanations for the staggering drop-out rate of Latinos in high schools across the country.

    How about the fact that Latino families insist that their children speak Spanish, not English, in the home and in public? How about the debilitating taxpayer expense that the surge of Latino children with poor language and reading skills has caused in the public schools across the nation? And, even with that expense, the Latino students haven’t performed. This points to a Latino problem in the homes of Latino children. Not an American problem or a government problem to be solved on the backs of legal residents/citizens and taxpayers.

    The victim culture of the Latino community in politics will reap the same effect as the victim culture in the African-American community. No amount of government intervention will change that as long as Latino families are self-oppressive by not acculturating their children in the home.

    • Joreus

      Yingyangyou,
      There are so many logical fallacies in your argument that I don’t know where to start.
      Do you even know the meaning of the word “acculturation”?  And how can Latino families help their kids to speak English when the parents don’t speak it themselves?  And how is encouraging one’s children to learn and value their ancestral heritage a form of “acculturation”?

      About the education gap issue, you need to read a book and stay away from the pipe.  The gentleman was right on to point out the non funding of pre-K education for the poor, not just Latinos, is at the root of the achievement gap and the drop out rate.  You want to know how he and I have figured that out?  Look at the achievement gap among Black Americans.  Though they also speak English at home (or you might say a variant of the English language, either way it’s still English), the fact that most Black kids live in poverty and lack access to pre-schools is one of the main causes of this gap. 

      And would you dare explain what you mean by “victim culture in the African-American community”?
      If you’re simply talking about the Hip Hop culture, sad to deceive you my friend: Hip hop is not Black culture.  It part of it, but not the whole culture.

      I would suggest you a few books to help enlighten your views somewhat, but I don’t even know where to start.

      One piece of advice:
      Stay in school.

  • Salzburg

    Coming from this background. I can tell you I want what most people want: safety, prosperity, educational opportunities, health care, freedom of choice, equal treatment.

    The rich need to be taxed. I want to see porn and violence removed from the access of my teens on the internet. Gangs, drugs and violence need to be stomped out. Want to see recognition for all the good foreigners bring to the US. All of my parents children graduated from collage and are contributing members of the community.

  • Ellen Dibble

    I believe it was Victoria deFrancesca Soto who just now said that before 1960 only about half of Americans had high school diplomas.
       Say what?  This hits me hard.  I thought graduation rates were going down, not up.
        Anyway, since more people have high school diplomas, they don’t expect to be doing the jobs that immigrants will do.  So we need the immigrants.
       So why is the government pushing so hard to get people to graduate from high school?  Why are they pushing so hard to get everyone a college degree?
        Just stomp on our education system, and there will be no room, no need, for immigrants.  Right?

  • Sara

    How is it possible to present any plan in this climate, the country is so divided on this issue.  It seems that any plan is going to make a significant and loud segment of the population angry and not go anywhere.

  • Libertad

    Demographic Suicide sounds great for our scarcity and environmental issues.

    It’s only bad for Ponzi schemes.

  • Jo

    As a non Latino immigrant, I’m so tired of making immigration the divisive issue it’s been made into for political expediency. The irony is that as the economies south of us improve so-called illegal migration will solve itself.

    • Maynard

      In the interests of clear English, are you: 1) an immigrant who is not a Latino, 2) a Latino who is not an immigrant, or 3) neither a Latino nor an immigrant?

  • Ellen Dibble

    If we need immigrants so badly, why do so many come illegally?  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

      Many can’t get the paperwork they need from their own countries without sizable amounts of money, which they don’t have.

      • Ellen Dibble

        What is “sizable”?   Sounds like a good business opportunity for the likes of the caller who just was talking about his little business in El Salvador.  A help-you-legally-into-the US business.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Paperwork costs MORE than coyotes, and the other criminals involved?

  • Libertad

    I just can never get over the wink/nod aspect to illegal immigration apologists.

    It is so unfair to all the other people around the globe who want a chance to live and participate within a Constitutional Rule of Law system of self-governance, who use the legal channels to do so.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    It’s all smoke and mirrors – government dances between “tough on immigration and illegals”, which is a popular dog and pony show for the voters, and doing as little as possible to impact the cheap labor force for businesses that illegals provide, or deal with the businesses (which heavily lobby them) that are breaking the law doing this.

    • Libertad

      Yep, it’s more tweedle-dee tweedle-dum pandering that we moronically get behind with our partisan pride and stubbornness, as it breaks down the Rule of Law, and equal opportunity (not equal outcomes) fabric of society.

    • Obi Wan Cory

      BINGO!

  • Libertad

    If immigrants want hand outs and the long-term societal bankruptcy it will bring, they should go to Europe with it’s demographic suicide.

    I don’t think most immigrants want handouts, but our pandering politicians cant resist enabling that possibility for votes.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Ola, Dave?   Has Ron Paul corrected all his illogical positions?

      • Libertad

        He’s not responsible for your irrational and emotional minds.

        Countries and political/economic systems should be base on cold facts and empirical historic observation, and then encoded in a Blind Rule of Law to protect us from our passions.

        Emotional approaches to government feel good until the whole enchilada comes crashing down.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Gold Standard is rational?  Not enough gold available to back the money of the U.S.?  Many other questionable stands?

          • Libertad

            It’s not about how much gold there is. Why do you keep saying that? 

            You set a value rate. 1 oz = X dollars.  That rate depends on the currency supply and gold supply when we set it.

            Disruptive to current gold market, but otherwise a non-issue with regards to a sound-money concept.  You should read more about that stuff, and bring back some constructive discussion.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I’m NOT running for President, or any other public office?

          • Anonymous

            Yes it is. Read up on the history of when we had a gold backed economy. It’s not pretty. Sound money concept?
            Not really.

            Here’s the reason why, if you have a run on banks backed by gold, and they don’t have enough to cover their accounts the banks go under.
            By the way, this is just what happened in the Great Depression. 

          • Libertad

            Bank runs occur when they don’t have the paper money to cover, because of the leveraging of fractional reserve banking, that relies on stable times and irrational growth scenarios.

            http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5352106773770802849#

          • Ray in VT

             I think that what many who are critical of aspects of, or the entire, social safety net and labor and environmental laws fail to realize is that many of these actions are developments that have come about in direct response to serious social and environmental problems that private industry and the free hand have failed to address.

            Take a look at the state of environmental degradation during the massive industrial expansion of the late 19th century.  There is your cold hard reality and empirical facts.  If one wants to characterize efforts to protect public health, combat poverty among the elderly, etc as “feel good” government interference, then they should take a look at the conditions that created such responses and ask whether or not they would be comfortable with a return to such conditions.

          • Gregg

            But don’t you think a safety net has to be sustainable? How far should environmental laws go regarding property rights? Is a puddle a wetland? Is my breath a greenhouse gas? Or should I shut up and comply with whatever comes down the pike even if it doesn’t save the environment?

            Is it not possible to ask these questions out of concern for the environment and fellow man?

          • Modavations

            We have 500 billion in bullion in Fort Knox.You can do it in stages.The Swiss franc is still semi convertible.What color panties are you wearing today,psycho

          • Anonymous

            Hey cheese cake for brains, we have a $15 trillion economy. There is not enough gold in the world to back our economy let alone the rest of the world. There is about $9 billion in the entire world give or take. That wont even cover our economy. What part of this math equation do you not understand?

          • Modavations

            Read the part about phase it in,or partial conversion.Your foaming at the mouth.Where does the violence come from.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Violence?  Where is the violence in jeffe68′s comment?
              More delusions?

          • Modavations

            When a person uses half the post,or all the post to spray invective,this is violence.Cerebral violence

          • Libertad

            Did  you do decimals and fractions in school?

            1oz could be $1 or
            .1oz could be $1 or
            .01oz could be $1
            etc etc

          • Terry Tree Tree

            YOU ask about my underwear, then call ME a psycho?
                YOU’RE the one that claims to have visited an internet pedophile site?
               SOOO many other examples you have commented, that point out your mental condition?

          • Modavations

            As part of my study of the truly psychotic,Terry gives me his Pedophile Porn Site of choice.When I get their it’s been closed.A sign is posted  saying.Pass word necessary.Please foward password ASAP Terry

          • Modavations

            there

          • Modavations

            The Conductor at theBerklee school of Music was fired for being involved in Kiddie Porn.Would you like his name for a potential date?

  • rkpmw

    How do we reconcile the economics of population growth and environmental problems, overpopulation, etc?  This is obviously not a long-term solution!

    • Libertad

      Demographic Suicide!

      • Libertad

        Good for Earth and more for each Earthling, but bad for Banking and Interest and Tax Collecting Ponzi-Schemers.

        • Anonymous

          Dribble. 

          • Modavations

            I was trying to figure out what makes you such a violent man and I think I’ve got the answer….Rabies

          • Anonymous

            I’m trying to figure out what makes you such an misinformed wanker.
            I know, you’re complete intolerant ignoramus. 

        • sanders

          I hate to agree with Rick Santorum, but you’re the type of environmental zealots that make him right on some of his extremist views. 

        • Libertad

          Wow, if I get these two responses, from comrade Jeffe and Rick Santorum, I must be doing something right….

          By the way, whats wrong with what I’m saying?  Can you imagine us having all the tech, the access to resources etc etc, and LESS people, such that we could sustainably enjoy a decent standard of living?

  • Libertad

    Mike, how dare you say “pro-immigration” like the rest aren’t. You are so transparent in your conflation of legal and illegal immigration.

  • Les

    I think all candidates should have their immigration/ancestral history vetted. We recently discovered that our Grandfather, that solid republican businessman, pillar of the community, never received legal status.

    • Ray in VT

      That’s not an uncommon story here in northern New England.  When there are towns where the international border goes through houses people have moved back and forth fairly easily historically.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    Our current immigration policy is slavery by another name.  We get cheap labor that we can abuse because they are illegal.

    Neil

    • Ellen Dibble

      That might be the “voice” of the money in politics, disallowing easy legal immigration.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      If I was hiring someone to do some work for me, if I had any question about their legality, I would check.  I try to avoid illegal acts.
          Some do want to abuse, and they are the main facillitators of illegal aliens.  I’m not part of your ‘We’.

  • Steven

    Charlie Gardcia has articulated the critical nature of immigration. Even if immigration was not central to our national identity, it’s effect on economic demographics is a game changer for stance in the world. Because we cannot depend on babyboomer demand for Dentucream to support our economy  we need immigrant family formation to keep our country vital.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Mike Pesca,   Way to call the lady caller about being an immigration attorney!  That gives us a better understanding of how to consider her comments.

  • oopsie

    I was under the impression that the predominant language of Brazil is Portugese, and that the majority of the bilingual residents of Florida speak English and Spanish.

    • Anonymous

      Correct. The Brazilians are not technically Latino.
      However in the North East there is a long history of Brazilians and Portuguese coming to the US.
      Fall River and that area around the border of Massachusetts and Rhode Island has large Portuguese population.

  • Frank Mc Donnell M.D.

    When immigrants arrive in the US  they are the product of investment by the Governments and atx payors of the countries they have come from , from the hospitals in which they were born through the health care systems that kept them alive , through the educational systems that educated them , all investments by the people of the country in their future and we get these people all grown ready to work and ready to contribute for free at 18 or older the healthiest, stringest , often the most driven of their native country again for free!! NO Investment , what a bargain , open the gates ,   

    • Terry Tree Tree

      You have ignored a lot of the demographics of immigration?

    • Modavations

      Next thing,TTT will show you deliver babies

      • Modavations

        how to

        • Terry Tree Tree

          ???

      • Terry Tree Tree

        ????

  • Charles A. Bowsher

    To the Immigration Lawyer (Liz I think) who called in. The words “Law abiding Citizens” seemed to be on the tip of your tougue.  I am tired of hearing the phrase that these undocumented immigrants are “law-abiding” citizens and should not be subject to deportation.  They broke the law getting here, period.  If they are not willing to come out of the shadows, get in line at the back, then they and their families need to be renting a U-haul. Yes, it is cruel.  Crueler still is to ignore the problems in their home countries which sparked them to make the journey here in the first place.  We need to correct our immigration problem at its source, not where it leaks out.  Our war on drugs, NAFTA, all these contribute to the flow of illegal immigrants. We are all guilty in this since we love to have our lawns cut cheaply, our dishes washed cheaply and our roofs laid cheaply. 

    It is our greed, selfishness and fear of inflation that have helped to fuel this most of all. Of course Americans are unwilling to work for $6, 7 or 8/hour without benefits.  But Latinos and others are.  In fact they will work overtime at straight pay because the money means so much to their families back home.  Because of the real threat of terrorism we will probably never be able to do away with our barb-wire as Ron Paul envisions.  But we can do better by our Latin neighbors than we are right now.  I think if you are here illegally you should be given the chance to come out of the shadows, register and get in line. So what if it takes 12 years?  Surely it would be better than having to hide in the shadows the rest of your life in the hopes for an immigration amnesty.  I have been trying for years now to come to a kinder more gentle opinion on this, but this is the best I can do. charles

    • Libertad

      “Because of the real threat of terrorism we will probably never be able to do away with our barb-wire as Ron Paul envisions. ”

      Did you hear the audio clip of Paul?  What part of him saying he didn’t think the idea of barbed wire and militarized borders was useful did you miss?

      This demonstrates how much knee-jerk anti-Paul folks actually are working against their own interests by failing to understand and investigate the actual coherence of his, and our founder’s, views.

      Apologies if I am misreading your quote.

      • Libertad

        I think I misread your line.  Apologies, too defensive around here.

      • Charles A. Bowsher

        IF someone says they don’t think the idea of something is useful, that kind of means they don’t believe in it.

        I apologize if I got it wrong. I thought the clip they played of him had him saying that he didn’t think we needed barbwire on our borders. Admitteldy it was only like a seven second clip so I easily could have misunderstood. It is not Paul’s fault the terrorism threat is so real, it is Bush and Cheney who succeeded in increasing the threat of terrorism for us all.

        • Libertad

          you’ve got it right, I misread.

  • Stephen

    I would quibble with a lot of how this issue is being discussed, not only on the program today, but in general.  Two of the key issues are being ignored:
    First, I don’t think all Latinos are undifferentiated mass, anymore than all European Americans are. There are differences in the cultures from which they have come as well as the number of generations they have been in the US, not to mention their legal status.  You are lumping together everything from legal Puerto Ricans to illegal Mexicans, from illegal agricultural workers and urban poor, to highly-educated professionals (some of whom I have worked for and with).   Second, when a minority group that is about half illegal in origin suddenly explodes in number in a few decades so that is predicted to make up 1/3rd of the US population by 2050, there is an “elephant in the room” that is simply not being addressed.  Most non-Hispanics who were here 50 years ago are uncomfortable with it,and probably most legal Hispanics aren’t either–they don’t want to be lumped together in the the same group.  This is not just about race–it is also about preserving the US’s political culture.  What if  there were suddenly 15 million illegal French, or 15 million illegal Germans who are politically and culturally far more similar in this generation than most Mexicans, and were clamoring for their “rights” while their birthrate exploded and filled our classrooms?  If that isn’t disturbing enough, consider 15 million illegal Russians.  Finally, we US citizens are all are struggling to get our arms around this problem, many sincerely trying to find coping mechanisms that preserve our values (including compassion and fairness), but which don’t create an even bigger time bomb than we already have–as amnesty did.  One of the biggest problems is the commentators and politicians who are polarizing the debate, making it harder to search for practical solutions.  How do you defuse a situation like this which where there is justifiable anxiousness on the part of many Americans who have not have a PC way of expressing it, and an “entitled” PC rhetoric by many Latino commentators who themselves are far from representative (in terms of origin, education, and native fluency in English) of those they claim to speak for?   

    Let’s have a program that talks about possible solutions, rather than simply airs grievances and plays political “gotcha”.

  • aj

    ” There is no difference between race and ethnicity, they are both culturally constructed and have no basis in biology or any other quantifiable science. My Greek grandparents were not seen as ‘white’ when the emigrated.  The perspective of the U.S. dominant culture has changed, but Greek people are still Greek people. ”

    posted by oopsie

    Pure denial.  Though your Greek grandparents might of been seen as greek; to equate their experiences with the african-american (both latin and North american) is really quite nieve, with all due respect.Greeks, Italians, Jews, etc. were not brought over to the new world (again either latin or north america) in chains and stacked like sardines in the hulls of ships, in the dark for weeks, marinating in their own piss and s**t like trash.  And then for the next 350 years worked to death literally on sugar plantations, cotton, tobacco, etc.Bought and sold, whipped, mother and son separated forever, and when escaped, hunted down like dogs and murdered.Then once freed from the bonds of slavery, oppressed by 150 years of apartheid, sub-jugation and rascist institutionalized exclusion from participating in society.This is the reality for africans either in Brazil, Mexico, Hispaniola, or South Carolina.  The white(european) man, whether in latin america or north america carries this burden.Not to mention the genocide of the indigenous american (again north or south) by the white (european) man.To ignore this historical reality when crafting policy, is hubris and ignorance in my humble opinion.  Respectfully.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Well put!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      The good think about the Greeks or Italians they don’t cause a lot of problems in the street or neighborhoods in America. Even the black people are not engaged in discriminatory behavior towards Chinese people compared to hispanics.

    • Modavations

      Hey “Chip On Your Shoulder”,with this attitude your bound to fail.Hang with Dems.and failure is a certainty.Africans were sold to Arab Traders by Black Traders and exported to the New World by the Dutch.At least 1000 freed slaves,owned slaves.The founder of the Rep.Party freed the Black man,from the Dem.plantation owner.My crew were jews.They made glue out of us in the German Death Camps(not to even mention the Gulags).Man up

      • Terry Tree Tree

        I do wish you would get more current on U.S. History?

        • Modavations

          What’s your point psycho

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Moda WHINES about others calling names?

  • repeatingphrases

    Mike Pesca is awesome – he needs his own NPR show – no one can fill Tom Ashbrooks size 11 (educated guess) loafers on On Point and make everyone happy, but Mike has a lot of wit and character and I’d definitely listen to a show he was hosting. 

    • Stephen

      I disagree.  He sounds more like commercial radio to me.

  • Obi Wan Cory

    I wish America would begin using the referendum as a national tool for decision making.  Our representative democracy now fails to serve us on numerous issues.

    1.  Mass deportation of illegal aliens
    2.  Tax hikes for those above a certain income level.
    3.  Involvement in any foreign conflict/war.

    Just to name a few.  I wonder how the coarse of our national ship would change if we did this.

    • Modavations

      Cut taxes to 18%(Buffet Rule),get rid of all subsidies,slowly end welfare.No one resents a safety net,but you guys have a Hammock

      • Modavations

        Sorry.Put School Vouchers at the head of the class!!!!

      • Anonymous

        That is not advocated by Buffet. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

     have nothing against Hispanics but they need to learn to speak english. I cannot tolerate a society that is more prone to violence than any other ethnic group in America. They cannot act like that english is the second language and Spanish is the majority. They get pissy when I don’t speak spanish in America.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I live in and out of Chelsea, Massachusetts for 10 years. I have tons of Puerto Rican friends. I noticed that Central Americans are more violent than other Hispanics. They love to steal and tissed Chinese people frequently.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Why is the US Government is more concentrated on Latino group than any other ethnic group in the United States?
      The Chinese helped built the Trans-Continental railways, open up food chain to feed the western miners, do laundry for them, farmers or maids. They contributed so much to the American society like the Black people.

      And these groups don’t even have a language option prompt when they dial an 800 number.

      • Ray in VT

        Easy.  They are a large and rapidly growing minority.  It’s all about angling for a voting bloc.

        • Ray in VT

          That’s more about politicians and electioneering rather than government policy, but some of that can apply to general government policy as well.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            you know I am Filipino and you know our race is a mixture of other races. Racism of the hispanics towards the Chinese people is not tolerated by the Filipino people.

          • Ray in VT

            Do those two groups not get along where you live?  My sister-in-law is of Ecuadoran descent, and she has told me that the various Latino national groups do not like each other in the greater NYC area.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Good to hear!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          Sorry Ray I know the Hispanics are a major contributor of votes during elections but it doesn’t mean they are smart voters.

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t know if they’re any more or less informed than any other group, but they are a big “prize” that pols are out to “win”.

    • Obi Wan Cory

      Say wha!!!???

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        Go to a Chinese or Vietnamese store in Chelsea and observe how the hispanics treats Asians.
        Being Chinese or Asian is like a pest for the hispanic people.

  • david

    One of the guest used Alabama as an example of how it’s immigration law has hurt the state’s economy!
    Well! since the enactment of the law back in the fall, Alabama’s unemployment rate has dropped nearly 2%.
    People I know who were replaced by cheaper labor and were out of a job, having to live on the Govt., now have a JOB!
    Beside the fact that nobody seems to care about laws and keeping laws, here is one affect due to Alabama knowing the meaning of the word “ILLEGAL”.
    Proud of my state!!!!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Thanks for that news!  How many other places have DROPPED unemployment by 2%?

  • Modavations

    Jay Carney says the Pipeline is all the Reps.fault.They jammed it down the Presidents throat.Jay,it’s been 3 years and all the paperwork was done.No mas cuentos,no mas mentiras “Drill Baby Drill”

  • guest

    Immigration is not just about Latinos, although they are the majority. may other communities get affected and face difficulties every day. Among them are Eastern European, Asian and African communities

  • Modavations

    Just back from a run along the Charles River in my shorts.I love Global Warming.Last night at the White House Blues Concert ,B.B. King played “THE THRILL IS GONE”…..Hmmmmm

    • Sam Walworth

       Yes, you do love global warming or whatever you want to call because its giving you a good summer feeling in the middle of the winter.

      Yet, across half the way across the world from here, Europeans are under unprecedented chill and the south recently had a nice snowfall.

      Regardless of the causes or concerns if I am not wasting energy and if am more efficient in using the energy (more MPG for cars/vehicles, better insulated homes, better technology over all) which saves me money as well, heck I want to use it!

       

      • Modavations

        Knock yourself out.I await Palm Trees in Boston Harbor

      • Terry Tree Tree

        SOOO MANY advantages!

  • Sy2502

    As a legal immigrant, I am disgusted and disappointed by the attitude of Latinos toward immigration, and their absurd sense of entitlement to come to the US when they please and as they please, bypassing the laws of the land. As a grateful guest of this country, I believe the first and foremost thing I owe this country is respect for its laws. The complete disregard for legality is what has driven Latin America into poverty and crime, and yet its people still fail to understand why laws must exist and must be obeyed. 

    • Sy2502

      Also, it is very offensive and factually wrong to claim America is anti-immigration. It is not. Having immigration laws doesn’t make a country anti-immigration. Punishing those who violate those laws is not being anti-immigration. Americans are actually very welcoming and friendly people toward foreigners. They simply don’t want to be disrespected, and illegal immigration is very disrespectful. 

      • Vince D

        My wife is a LEGAL immigrant, she was here as a student when we met, and we have paid the fees, filed the paperwork and traveled 120 miles one way to the interviews as LEGAL immigrants are required to do. She had to be re-vaccinated for germs that she had already had documentation for!

        And that’s just fine.

        Now could someone please explain why so many “Latinos” think it is their “right” to come here illegally, use fake ID, work illegally etc? What makes you so GD special that YOU don’t have to play by the same rules as everyone else who comes here LEGALLY? (And I say that to ALL illegals, not just Latinos.)

        Sorry, but illegal aliens OF ANY RACE are criminal trespassers and should be shown the door. Their employers should be jailed. And if you think that’s racist, have a look at Mexico’s immigration laws.

        Come legally, you are welcome. Come illegally, you are a criminal. Go home and fix your hme country!

        • Terry Tree Tree

          EXCELLENT!

    • RuleByLaw

      Kudos Sy2502!

      I am a legal immigrant too, and I’d very much appreciate when ever
      “immigrants” is mentioned, the legal status are
      specified as well. I don’t believe legal immigrants and illegal immigrants hold
      the same set of values.

      Second, “family values.” Since when family values is the single value
      above fairness and justice? What’s wrong with family reunification in
      their home country? Is preserving American jobs good family value?

      Third, “Latino voters.” Why are “Latino voters” so much more important
      than any other ethnicity? Oh okay, they have the largest population
      growth. So the politicians only have to cater to them by discriminating
      against the rest.

      I am so disgusted by rhetoric of labeling people who are anti-illegal immigration as “anti-immigration.” Huge difference!

      Law and Order, this is what attracted me to the US. No law, no order. Wake up!!

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Very Good!

      • Libertad

        Careful, you’ll get the DNC (Discretionary, Not Constiutional, rule of law) folks riled up, and they’ll call you an……. Ideologue, or worse, “Old-Fashioned”.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      YES!!  Thank you!

    • Sy2502

      Finally, let me specify that English is NOT my first language, I had to learn it virtually from scratch when I moved to the US. Within 1 year, I took the English admission test required to enter college, and passed it with top score. If you go to a foreign country, the least you can do is learn the language! Really, it is ridiculous to expect your host country to accommodate you in everything, including language. The sense of entitlement by some immigrants is staggering! You are the guest, you should be doing most of the work.

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  • Guest

    Why does the mass media and pundits assume that all Hispanics (Hispanophones) and Latinos are concerned with immigration because of their illegal resident status? There are many Hispanics and Latinos that are legal (immigrated legally) and do not support illegal immigration. Hispanics and Latinos are a diverse group of races, ethnicities, nationalities, and status. They are not a monolithic group of people with the same agenda as presented in the U.S. mass media. Unfortunately, the voices supporting illegal immigration have created a mass media myth that immigration is a major Hispanic and Latino issue; it is only an issue for all the shameless law breakers crossing the border.

  • Sophia

    Uhm, I would just like to point out that it’s The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints…not The Church of Latter-Day Saints.

    Loving this discussion, though. It is very interesting and enlightening to someone who has never had an opportunity to learn about immigration, education, and work issues for Latinos.

  • Ashley Lorance

    I want to hear more creative, pragmatic, bipartisan solutions, like these possible ones:

    1. Cutting the problem at its root by imposing a hefty fine against employers who employ illegal immigrants, and provide a whistleblower provision giving whistleblowers a portion of the fine if they provide proof (thereby cutting the enforcement costs).

    2. Amnesty to certain long-term residents with a family member here by paying a sanction of all back taxes owed since entering the country, with a certain minimum based upon a minimum wage since a lot of people will have been paid under the table.

    3. Providing a lot more guest worker permits.

    There needs to be some type of mix that involves penalizing employers, cutting the cost of enforcement of checking employers, providing a reasonable amnesty to certain immigrants, protecting our borders, encouraging growth in population, and penalizing lawbreakers but not unduly punishing family members, especially U.S. citizen family members.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      RIGHT ON!

  • Dreamer

    I’ve been in the country for 20 years. I’m a so called dreamer. I was brought here as a child. I have been working off the books for all this time. I have no criminal record…the republicans support the dream act for those who serve in the military. Why would anyone in my situation fight for a country that has ignored many in my situation??

    • Vince D

      So Dreamer,

      Would you support this version of the “DREAM ACT”?

      smuggled here by their parents:

      1)      Any illegal alien who is in school could be granted a student visa provided the following conditions are met:
      a.       They register
      b.      Their parents voluntarily leave and permanently forfeit any future opportunity to immigrate.
      c.       The student agrees to leave upon graduation or cessation of studies.
      d.      A GPA requirement is enforced.
      e.      The (student/parents/home country or private sponsors) are responsible for ALL expenses. No work permit will be issued.
      f.        The student is not eligible for ANY path to citizenship for 5 years after returning to the home country. No marriage visas, anchor baby etc.
      g.       Full biometrics must be taken of the student AND the parents.
      h.      If under 18, a LEGAL resident must be identified as the guardian.
      i.         The parents must identify their employers for at least the previous 5 years.
      2)      STRICT border and interior enforcement MUST be included to prevent more illegals from coming. Think the SAVE Act and ending birthright citizenship.
      OK, this would help people such as yourself who were brought here. They would get their education, and should do quite well back home with that education. They would also be eligible to come here in the future. The parents would not be rewarded.

      • Dreamer

        I would not support this.I don’t want to be forced to leave I want to stay. I go to college and I pay full tuition I get no help and I don’t want help. I want a chance to stay and make my life here. I grew up here this is the country I know and love. How did your grandparents get here? Were they “smuggled” by their parents? Did they have a choice?

        • Vince D

          I understand your “wants” Dreamer and completely acknowledge that you were brought here without consent. You were wronged as a child by your parents. They put you in this situation. I get that.

          But you are aware of your status now, and you continue to break the law. You admit to working under the table, if I do that the IRS throws my butt in jail and/or takes my house.

          Why are you entitled to an amnesty when so many have waited in line, filed the paperwork and followed the procedure to come here legally? Seriously, please offer some justification.

          Most of my ancestors came here through Ellis Island, and a few of them were here for many generations before Europeans came.

          So what would constitute justice in your mind? You are willing to serve in the military in exchange for legal residence, what are you willing to do? Why do you deserve it? Not being abrasive, just asking pointed questions.

          • Dreamer

            I also understand your concern Vince. And kudos for being open minded about this. I don’t have an answer to the problem. There are many people on the same boat as me. I believe that helping Immigrants that have been in this country for over a certain Amount of years and speak English and are willing to go to college they should be grants stay. I also understand that by doing this will open the gates to many other topics. There should be better control of the boarders. When I hear Romney talking about self deportation it sickens me. He’s family moved
            To Mexico so they can live their polygamist
            Lives, yet hes talking about self deportation of
            People like me that is just asking
            For a chance….

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I resent the Romney hypocricy, too.
               Others , that are legal, have been going through the legal process.  Why do you think you should be placed in front of them?

          • Modavations

            Terry interrupts the forum on the Oscars to complain about excessive CEO pay and the outrage of it all.Everything is outrage,Hypocisy,outrage,hypocrisy!!!!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            There’s NOT a lot of HYPOCRICY?  CEO BONE-USes are NOT out of line?

          • Anonymous

            I think that people in Dreamer’s situation should be allowed to apply for a green card at the very least.
            They were brought here as children and grew up here. As long as they don’t have criminal records, I know they are already breaking the law, that’s not what I mean, as long as they are in compliance with the rules for the green card, I say let them apply. It’s not cheap and they have to be dedicated.

          • Vince D



            I would agree,but only if the parents were sent home permanently, and the “dreamer” had to return for 5 years and apply through normal channels.

            Just allowing people who came here illegally to cut the line is not fair to the ~1 million legal immigrants that this nation admits every year. (And ~40% of them come from Mexico.)

             

          • Dreamer

            If i go along with what your saying….get my college degree and be forced out..why come back? ill already have a degree and ill be able to get a good job in another country. So lets get people like me out of the country after they get a college degree so they can help another country grow. But we’ll allow Indian doctors and Asian  scientist come use the labs and the technology here then go back and apply what they learned back in their home land. I dont see how this is beneficial to the country.

          • Vince D

             Ah, and there’s another benefit. Countries that send us illegals, mostly Mexico, could benefit from some well educated people such as yourself. Maybe you, and others like you, could promote changes in Mexico (and elsewhere) that would make it a better place to live.

          • Dreamer

            Look at the facts. US schools are failing, why not support the ones that are educated that can help the country in the long haul. I’m not from Mexico but i’m sure there are many of them that think like me. I’m from Brazil. Look at its economy? Its booming. I could leave after i finish college and live a great life there. And find a great job. Not what i want. I want to stay pay taxes and live my life.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Go make Brazil BETTER!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Well thought out, and well put!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I second that motion!

          • CP

            I second that as well

    • Vince D

      Hi Dreamer,

      I’ll start another reply since the indents make it unreadable to continue below.

      Again, I understand your situation, but please see the big picture. We have 12-20 million illegals, 7-8 million are holding jobs that Americans and legal immigrants desparately need. That’s 7-8 million Americans who are using benefits rather than paying taxes.

      Many of those illegal job holders are working under the table like you are. What is that doing to our national debt? What about the drain on our economy from the money that is sent home as remittances?

      We legally take in ~1 million immigrants per year, that’s VERY generous.

      When I was in my teens, our population hit 200M, now it’s over 300M. This growth is not sustainable. What does this population surge mean for our economy? Our environment? Do we not have the right as a nation to control immigration? If this continues, we’ll be as overpopulated as China. Been there, not a pretty sight.

      These are big problems, the big picture.

      You are fortunate and ambitious, you havea degree, you have agreat country to go back to. Please take your parents and go. Make your contribution there and make it a better place. If you want to return, do so legally and you will be welcomed with open arms.

      Please understand that I hold no grudge against those of you who were smuggled here, but that does not confer any special priveledge. As for the parents who snuck in here, well, I just won’t even go there.

      • CP

        Thank you so much Vince for this post, it is exactly what I was about to post and here it is.
        The speaker that was on saying that we need to let thousands of immigrants in for economic reasons.  How is this reasonable at all?  This is not sustainable at all as you mention. 

        Our Environmental footprint is already growing way too fast to be sustainable for the US and the planet.  It is time that we all realize this and do something about it instead of wanting more and more stuff and space and people.  

        When what should be, our allowable space runs out because we are not making earth friendly sustainable decisions we are going to be plum out of luck.  What does everyone think makes us able to breathe / live it is our environmental diversity from our biodiversity.  This my friends is from the land, the water, the trees, the sun, and natural wild habitats that create a natural ecosystem that we are threatening with our population growth spiraling out of control as well as having little disregard for the wildlife and natural areas that we
        keep destroying, and we are supposedly intelligent life on earth, this is a big question mark????

        And if we all do not get it by now, after we ruin it all because we think it does not matter it will be to late.  

        Because why should we care about illegals and then let more come to the US to improve our economic situation for our economics, how does this even make sense? 

        Illegal means illegal…..

        Most / all are not even paying taxes impacting services and of coarse the list goes on.

        LOL

        • Vince D

          Yep CP, there are a lot of good “lefty” reasons to oppose illegal aliens, and excessive legal immigration for that matter. Many “economists” seem to think that we live in an infinite world, “growth eternal”. Not very smart. The pictures that Apollo sent back should have set them straight!

          You might want to have a look at numbersusa, they take a very logical approach to these issues.

          Take care!

          And Dreamer, the best of luck to you.

  • AmelynReyes

    The Latino Vote is not defined exclusively by immigration issues. To continually position Latinos as interested in this single issue only is as much a misnomer as trying to define all conservative Republicans by the abortion issue. I’m Puerto Rican and the issues that are most important to family and community are centered around the ENVRIONMENT – specifically, support and create locally owned businesses (to create less of a dependence on job sucking/environmentally ravaging corporate America businesses and to build a sense of pride and ownership in the community); eliminating food deserts in urban neighborhoods (which would have a direct impact on improving the health of Hispanics in urban communities, lowering incidence of diabetes and lower the cost of healthcare!!!).

    These are not “Hispanic” issues – these are AMERICAN ISSUES!   

    • Terry Tree Tree

      They are also ‘World Issues’, as they affect everyone, and the world!

      • Modavations

        Round about midnite when our resident psycho gets tossed from the Union hall for drunkeness, he makes the rounds.Like a cat in heat,spraying here and there.Why don’t you just go from post to post and put”approve,disapprove

        • Terry Tree Tree

          This, from Moda, who claims to be guided by a guppy?  Moda has commented praise many times for his influences by ‘chemicals’?
             Does Moda’s rant indicate a High School education to you?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Moda WHINES when others call names?

        • Vince D

          Sounds like you have a date lined up….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1273328048 Tomasina Covell

    They don’t call NPR National Putsch Radio for nothing these days!  I’m applaud that On Point just lets these fascist republican swine jaw away lie after lie with one outrageously spammy modern/medieval famibly platitude after another, what puke! 

  • Carl from Detroit

    Tom Ashbrook is the best. But while he’s away, Mike Pesca is doing an excellent job!  I couldn’t listen Monday.  Mike made an impression on me last night, but with tonight’s show, he blew me away. In addition to Ashbrook, Pesca can hold his own with other veteran public radio hosts Diane Rehme, Terry Gross and Neil Conant. And to think, I thought he only knew sports! Tonight’s broadcast was of particular interest to me, and kudoos also to the producers for putting together an excellent panel. But Mike was the one that played all the roles necessary to cover both sides of the story while using the expertise of his guests to contribute to the topic and address excellent questions from listeners. Well done!

  • Shoto

    My comment applies to every segment, every show.  To wit:

    The “theme music” has long since transcended horrible and devolved into egregiously mind-numbing.  Please change it.  Again:  It’s spectacularly tedious and awful.  Lose it.

    The propensity for the host (and guest hosts) to over-explain each topic, and to repeatedly and incessantly talk over every guest is unprofessional and more akin to an AM radio format than an ostensibly intelligent “public radio” format.

    Finally, the breaks – all too frequent, in any case – are also idiotic.  Too many of them at a palpably-elevated decibel level, and pandering to the lowest common denominator with the same hack corporate underwriting.  Like anyone in the audience actually cares.

    I seriously doubt that anyone on staff will pay any attention whatsoever to these remarks, but I think they should.  If you need a model, tune into “Fresh Air.”  Way better all the way around.

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  • Grobe850

    Let us remember that the Latino force is a massive market that can only be a good thing for economic growth. Most Americans just feel threatened by “others” and refuse to see the benefits. History doesn’t repeat but rhymes

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Illegal aliens are illegal aliens, with many that have committed other crimes!  There are LOTS of other disadvantages of illegals!
         Latinos and other legal residents are an asset to any country!

      • Grobe850

        Even illegals are vital. Most are working to fill a labor demand. Therefore they are willing consumers. Also the belief that they send most of their money across the border is a gross over estimation. Work is good. Work provides income. Work can be taxed. Just allow them to work. What seems to be the problem?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          A few of the MANY problems.
             A LOT of the employers do NOT pay the taxes , as illegals are working ‘under the table’, which means the illegal employer is cheating the illegal AND the government?
             Illegals are forced to take illegal job risks, and denied safety equipment, getting more injuries.  The illegal employers don’t pay for medical expenses?
            Illegal employers abuse the illegals, knowing if the illegal reports it, they can be deported, and use that threat?
             Illegal employers are breaking several laws?

          • Grobe850

            That’s the point I am trying to make. Thats exactly why we should honor their determination to love/work int his country and change their status. Less exploitation

          • Vince D

            We tried that in 1986, all that did was invite the 12-20 million illegals that we have now. Sorry, not going down the amnesty road again.

  • Moik Rentz

    One of the guests said Ron Paul wants to make english the official language.  I wish someone on your show knew enough to correct this ignorant statement.  It seems like, on a daily basis, someone on this show says something that is plainly factually wrong.  I listen to On Point to find out what uninformed people masquerading as experts think.

  • Logan

    But what are we going to do about the White vote?  I challenge the white voters to come out and talk about how being white affects their voting trends… bah.  Anytime you put people in boxes they start to look and act like boxes.  Go ahead and taking a boxing classes.  Everyone will start to look like punching bags and sparring partners.  It’s all in your heads!   People are same everywhere you go, they want the same things everyone everywhere wants. 

    I know “real mexicans” that hate hippies hang on every racist word out of Rush Limbaugh’s mouth, and I know “real black people” that are afraid of everything including “black people.”  It’s rediculous, and when the racism wires get crossed it reveals just how rediculous it all is.

  • Gooddesign Brooklyn, NYC

    Thank you for running this story! I think it always important to have a diversity of perspectives.
    http://gooddesign-bknyc.blogspot.com/view/magazine

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  • Slipstream

    A comment or two on Mr Garcia’s remarks that Hispanic immigration is good for our country because, and not in spite of, the fact that they have very high birthrates.  He also says that Europe is in bad shape because their native birthrates are too low, and that economic growth stems from population growth.  I would say he is wrong on all of these, and so is Torres who agreed with him.  High birth rates are good and lead to economic growth if you are not pushing your natural resources to the limit and are running out of oil and struggling with global pollution and poverty problems.  All of those things are now going on.  I am not sure what are the causes of Europe’s recent economic problems, but this is the first time I am hearing that they are the result of underpopulation.  We need to try to NOT create a large Latino population of mostly uneducated and economically struggling people – such a group would be the cause of much difficulty in the years to come, for themselves and for others.  One way we can avoid such a problem is by keeping immigration to reasonable levels.

    • Vince D

      Only a fool or an economist believes that infinite growth is possible.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyTmClBU7nA

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PpaoZE8oXk&feature=related

      I don’t care who of what color people are, there are too many of us in this world. Allowing excessive immigration, especially of a high birthrate culture/religion, is simply destructive to the future of this country. And until Mexico  slows it’s fertility rate, our allowing massive immigration wil not help their situation. (I’ll pick on Mexico since most of our illegals and 40% of our legal immigrants are from Mexico.)

      Have you seen China? 1 billion+ people is not a pretty sight, we’re headed that direction, and excessive immigration is driving our poplation growth.

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