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Komen, Planned Parenthood And Women’s Health

Susan G. Komen and Planned Parenthood. A reversal and what’s going on with women’s health?

In this Monday, Oct. 10, 2011 photo, the box for a Sephora Collection Pink Eyelash Curler is displayed in Philadelphia. (AP)

In this Monday, Oct. 10, 2011 photo, the box for a Sephora Collection Pink Eyelash Curler is displayed in Philadelphia. (AP)

A wild blow-up last week in the world of women’s health. Breast cancer and mammograms, family planning and abortion all clanging in a three-day storm of controversy. On terrain normally treated as off-limits to our fiercest politics.

The Susan G. Komen for the Cure foundation pulled its funding from Planned Parenthood. The world of pink ribbons and walks for a breast cancer cure went ballistic. Komen backed down. Now what? Even this mission, it turns out, has its factions.

This hour, On Point: after blow-up and resolution, what we just learned about the world of women’s health.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Sarah Kliff, a staff writer for the Washington Post.

Dr. Susan Love, president of the Dr. Susan Love Research Foundation, a non-profit organization that promotes and funds breast cancer research.

Mona Charen, conservative syndicated columnist.

Leslie Durgin, senior vice president of public policy and communications for Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains.

From Tom’s Reading List

Washington Post “The Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation announced Friday that it would revise a new policy that barred the organization from funding Planned Parenthood, a move that had thrust the breast cancer foundation into a national controversy.”

National Review “It’s official. The Komen Foundation has “apologized” for its Planned Parenthood decision and appears set to reinstate the funding*, thus making our editorial this morning both premature and, in a more profound sense, too late. So, you’re on notice: If you currently donate to PP, you may never stop doing so.”

Time “Richards credited social media with creating and sustaining a wave of outrage over Komen’s decision to terminate funding for breast screening services to Planned Parenthood affiliates around the nation.”

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  • still just cory

    With the problems we face in this country, it makes me sad that we have to spend time fighting about planned parenthood.  It feels like a diversion meant to distract those with certain beliefs they’d like to project and enforce upon others who don’t share their belief.

    Wake up and prioritize.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      You notice that too?

    • Gregg

      Well said. It is not moral for those with certain beliefs (such as support for abortion) to project those beliefs onto others who feel differently, for instance Catholics. But they don’t stop there, the make them pay for it and enforce it in law.

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  • Winston Smith

    Komen caved in to the politically correct pressure to back off from taking a stand against an organization that endorses and enables murder millions of times a year in this country.  What hypocrisy it is to have protecting women’s lives as your mission statement while at the same time terminating the life of the most vulnerable because their lives are inconvenient.  I’m sure that the Nazis accomplished some good somewhere in their concentration camps as well.  Those whose lives were terminated in the gas chambers were just an inconvenience that we should overlook.

    • still just cory

      Oops, the Nazis again…

      Abortion being murder is your opinion (to which you are entitled), not established law.  Please don’t confuse the two.

      Teach your children that abortion is wrong, preach to your friends the same.  Vote for politicians that share your opinion and against those who don’t.  Stop calling those who don’t share your opinions NAZIS AND MURDERERS!

      • WINSTON SMITH

        If the shoe fits (which it does), wear it!

        • Anonymous

          Ah yes, the smell of mendacity in the morning.

        • Anonymous

          You’re a coward, Winston.  You don’t respond to what cory wrote:  abortion is not murder according to the laws that you and I live by. 

    • Anonymous

      Stop using nazis to make your asinine points.
      It’s really disgusting that you use the memories of those poor people who suffered at the hands of those monsters for your own personal BS.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Catholic Charities have accomplished the ‘good’ of helping perverted priests to hide and molest MORE children, for decades?

      • Modavations

        Again with the Pervert P_riests.They’re all Democrats,social workers.

    • Anonymous

      Wow- that must be a record for Godwin’s Law! 
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

  • Yar

    Why has this issue become a political football?  It is the math of division, Last Friday’s On Point at the 30 minute mark is case and point. John Mccormack from the Weekly Standard said now that Koman quit giving to PP, that he would start, and that the issue of abortion divides this country, that half the country believes abortion is taking of a human life and that they would not want to be associated with Planned Parenthood.
    I expect to hear from Ed (example of a single issue voter), to tell me that the country is going to hell because abortion is safe and legal. I believe abortion is taking a life, and that all life has potential.  If you are religious(I am), and believe that Mary, a virgin had life created in her womb without a human sperm.Do we as a country, expect to regulate women as potential incubators of the next savior?  Which is strange because in Jesus day an unmarried woman was likely to be killed for getting pregnant.  I expect murdering pregnant women  was more to protect men; in a small community a child just might have his father’s face.  In countries where abortion is not safe, many more women and their eggs die when they resort to unsafe abortions.  Wouldn’t the logic that a fetus might be Christ’s return extend to the other eggs in a woman’s body.  Or does God only impregnate virgins?  I don’t want to get into the symbolism that would portray.What is at the core of this issue?For the 7 percent of the country that abortion is the single issue they make all decisions, logic doesn’t seem to matter.  The republican party is divided and these single issue voters are pandered to get a nomination.On Point tries to put logic on the table, guests like Mccormack try to yank it off, I hope in this hour On Point will look at how the politics of division convinces people to vote against their own and the country’s self interest.I believe God can find a way to return without killing women through unsafe abortions.  I actually believe God is with us.  I believe in grace, forgiveness, and logic.
    Please, we need to realize that the politics of division devolves into civil war, we are closer to war than we know.  How many more innocent live are lost through the politics of division than abortion? You can be for keeping abortion safe and legal while preventing unwanted pregnancies. It requires logic.

    • Steve

      I have admired your thoughtful responses for quite a while.

      I try not to judge or assume the righteousness of those on either side of the issue.

      The problem for me, and I suspect some other people of faith, is where we stand on the issue of justice vs. grace.

      In God there is perfect love and perfect holiness…I know how fallen I am and am thus only able to veer toward justice or love but I am not able to hold both goals “continuously, all the time”.

      • Questioner

        In God, there is no justice vs grace and no justice vs love.  They exist together, which is why Christ had to die for us.  Also, we should not judge, God is judge.  (Romans 1 and 2)

        • Steve

          Yes, but for men and women “only through a glass darkly”.

          So when confronted by the intractable dichotomies represented on this board and most likely in our hearts, how do we show compassion and truth.

          • Questioner

             I see.  I see a dichotomy on the board but for me there’s no dichotomy in my heart regarding this issue.  To me, it’s clear that regardless of the reason why a woman wants to abort a child, she should be allowed to do so.  Not allowing her to do so will be forcing her to carry the child in her own body.  That doesn’t mean that I don’t have compassion for both the child and the mother regarding the issue.  The mother is on her own in terms of explaining to God why she chooses to abort.  I believe that God is just enough and good and merciful enough to deal with each mother who chooses to abort appropriately.  Also, as one who read the entire Bible repeatedly, I’ve seen many instances in which God chooses not to intervene when people choose to act against His laws and will.  See, story of Cain and Abel.  Surely God knew that Cain was going to kill Abel, yet he never stopped Cain.  All He did was tell Cain that he was on the wrong path.  Abel wasn’t even in his mother’s womb at the time, or in Cain’s body.  To me it’s clear that Go d supports both choice and life, and it’s clear to me that where abortion is concerned, it is wrong to take away the mother’s freedom of choice , and force her to bring a child to life.  Just because God supports freedom of choice does not mean that God approves of the choices we make.  If we choose against God, we will be punished, but we must be allowed to choose.  I am pro-choice, no dichotomy in my heart.

          • Questioner

             ”I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set
            before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life,
            that both thou and thy seed may live” — Deut. 30:19

            So we are told to choose life, we are told to choose, not forced to accept.  Steve, also for some women (whom I know personally) the choice is not so clear when they they have risky pregnancies and both their lives and their babies’ lives are at risk!  Some women choose to carry the pregnancy forward and hope that both her and the child will live.  I don’t think that abortion is a nice choice for anyone.  It’s a choice that most women would rather not have to make.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      EXCELLENT ANALYSIS!!  Thoughtful, and thought-provoking!
         Especially the part about a woman being stoned to death, or killed, because some guy over-powered her, and raped her?
         One modern-day equivalent is the Catholics buying hospitals, and keeping rape VICTIMS from being able to PREVENT, or STOP the child of a rapist?   Because the Catholics want MORE VICTIMS for perverted priests?

    • Questioner

      You’re confusing so many things here.  As a Christian, this is the first time I’m hearing that other Christians believe that Christ will return as a baby!

  • Winston Smith

    Those who label people who vehemently oppose abortion as “single issue voters” are either naively or intentionally mistaken. We have many issues that we take stands on such as balancing the budget, other social issues (against legalization of homosexual marriage and normalization of what the Bible clearly describes as an immoral act), etc. The reason for our strong position is that it is very clear to us that abortion is the intention termination of a human life.  Those who consider murder of those outside of the womb as the most heinous of human crimes should be able to understand that.

    And for those who label anti-abortionists as “single issue voters”, would you also have considered Germans living in 1940-45 and opposed to concentration camps as “single issue voters” as well?  Both are equally repugnant to us and repulsive in God’s sight.

    • Yar

      “to us and repulsive in God’s sight.”

      That looks like a single issue!

    • still just cory

      One should only use Nazis when describing the Nazis and their acts.  Appropriating them for your own purposes tends to invalidate your argument.

    • nj

      Yes, we should follow the Bible’s mandates literally. We have strayed so far. 

      Kids have it too easy these days. We should stone disobedient children to death. Deut. 21: 18–21 (And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.)

      Women have gotten too uppity, too. Time to go back to the basics: ”I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet.” (1 Timothy 2:12). And, ”Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22). And, ”Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.” (1 Corinthians 14:34)

      The economy is in the tank. Let’s reinstitute slavery. Heck, it worked fine for a long time. The Bible sanctions it, so i’m down with it. Lev. 25: 44–46 (However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.)

      There are plenty more passages to live by, but that’s a start. We need to get back on the right track! It’s what God wants!

      • Gregg

        Funny, I didn’t see where Mr. Smith advocated any of that.

        • nj

          : : : * whooooooooosssssssshhhhhhh * : : :

          …the sound of the point sailing by Greggg

      • Anonymous

        Testify!
        (speaking as an uppity woman)

    • Anonymous

      Keep your religious beliefs to yourself please.
      I’m not into any religion and I’m not into you telling me how to live my life based on a the writings of men from the 1st and 2nd centuries.

      Your comment about Germans and camps is off base and pretty vile.

    • Brett

      Oh, yeah, the Holocaust; way to go! Godwin’s Law award winner of the day! Thanks for contributing to a “discussion,” whatever your real name is…

      • Anonymous

        Oh, he nailed it in the second post! That is the fastest I’ve seen so far…
        If ignorance= bliss, this is one happy human!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Don’t you support a ‘church’, that has molested and abused children, for decades, or hundreds of years?

    • Questioner

      Do you know why God didn’t stop Cain from killing Abel?  Why is it that God who knows the beginning from the end, and who is omniscient (all knowing), didn’t warn Abel so he could run and hide, or stop Cain?  Why is it that all God did to intervene is to tell Cain that he is on the wrong path?  Why is it that God allowed Cain to kill Abel, sentenced Cain after the murder, and then  accepted Cain’s plea for reduction of his sentence?

      Don’t you realize that even though murder and every single sin (including the sin of eating a fruit that you’re not supposed to eat) is repulsive to God, God firmly supports freedom of choice?

      Why is it that God, who is omnipotent (all powerful) doesn’t prevent women who choose to abort from aborting?

      Don’t you realize that abortion is different from other murders because the child is living in the mother, and the child’s “right to life” that you advocate depends on the mother giving up her freedom of choice?

      It is wrong to force a human being to bear another human being in the first human being’s body for ~7 to 9 months.

  • still just cory

    Planned parenthood must be stopped because the only thing they do is perform abortions, which is a crime in this country.

    • Anonymous

      Really?

      • still just cory

        I’m just being sarcastic and plain silly to make a point.

        • Anonymous

          sadly, there are many who need to be clearly told that… (not necess. northeaster17!)  =)

  • Newton Whale

    Komen will never get another penny from my family. The excuses offered by Komen for its decision were outright lies, as confirmed by an insider:

    “a Komen insider told HuffPost on Sunday that Karen Handel, Komen’s staunchly anti-abortion vice president for public policy, was the main force behind the decision to defund Planned Parenthood and the attempt to make that decision look nonpolitical.”Karen Handel was the prime instigator of this effort, and she herself personally came up with investigation criteria,” the source, who requested anonymity for professional reasons, told HuffPost. “She said, ‘If we just say it’s about investigations, we can defund Planned Parenthood and no one can blame us for being political.’”http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/05/karen-handel-susan-g-komen-decision-defund-planned-parenthood_n_1255948.html 

    • Modavations

      Now they’re worried!!!

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  • Newton Whale

    The evil that the Bush men do lives after them:

    “Ari Fleischer, former press secretary for George W. Bush and prominent right-wing pundit, was secretly involved in the Komen Foundation’s strategy regarding Planned Parenthood. Fleischer personally interviewed candidates for the position of “Senior Vice President for Communications and External Relations” at Komen last December. According to a source with first-hand knowledge, Fleischer drilled prospective candidates during their interviews on how they would handle the controversy about Komen’s relationship with Planned Parenthood.

    In November, Komen advertised for a top level communications position in Roll Call. Promising applicants received a call from Fleischer.According to a source, during at least one interview, Planned Parenthood was a major topic of conversation. Fleischer indicated that he had discussed the Planned Parenthood issue with Komen’s CEO, Nancy Brinker, and that she was at her wits end about how to proceed. ” 

    http://www.truth-out.org/ari-fleischer-secretly-involved-komen-strategy-planned-parenthood/1328369446 

  • Newton Whale

    Komen’s Corporate Approach Hurts the search for a cure:

    The documentary Pink Ribbons, Inc., based on the highly regarded book of the same name, is coming out at exactly the right time to help reframe our understanding of just what the Susan G. Komen Foundation exists to do. It’s not just that they’re right-wing in the anti-Planned Parenthood sense. They also represent a deeply corporate approach to breast cancer that is just not the right way to combat the disease. Asemptywheel writes, in the same vein:But now that everyone has become aware of Komen’s sleaziness, it’s time to look at what they–and the cancer industry–do more generally. They fund efforts to diagnose and find a cure but–as this excellent diary describes–they work against things like prevention. They also tend to push back against research that shows we’ve been over-diagnosing and over-treating breast cancer. (I know such studies are controversial, but as someone who learned only after my treatment that European countries would have treated my case very differently, for a fraction of the cost and invasiveness, but with statistically equivalent outcomes, I take them seriously.)
    Corporate sponsorship brings a lot of money to breast cancer research—but funding from pharmaceutical companies isn’t going to steer us away from thinking the answer to breast cancer lies in expensive pharmaceuticals. Funding from make-up and food companies isn’t going to address the use of carcinogens in everyday products. And regardless of their stance toward Planned Parenthood, that’s exactly the approach Komen takes.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/03/1061458/-The-Komen-Foundations-corporate-approach-to-philanthropy-on-film 

    • Modavations

      Daily Kos.Mon Dieu!!!!

  • Bernice W

    Per wikipedia: Komen raises $400M per year – and has 11% administration cost including $460K per year salary for their CEO!!!! Moreover, again according to wiki, they sue other charities for infringing on “for the cure” trademark wording.

    Is this a charity, or is this the manifestation of a clever “pink” channel marketing business model?

    I have a problem with a charity that now offers trendy marketing to help sell commercial products and enriches their management into the 1%.

  • Gregg

    To listen to a caller on Friday’s show one would think a women’s right to choose was in jeopardy by Komen’s initial decision. It’s Komen’s business where they spend their money, I don’t understand the controversy.

  • Ed

    “Today (Friday) the Susan G. Komen Foundation made an announcement that appears that they
    have reversed themselves on funding of Planned Parenthood.
    What happened this week was nothing short of a Mafia shakedown
    campaign by Planned Parenthood against the Susan G. Komen
    Foundation.Planned Parenthood told the Komen Foundation ‘either give us
    money or we will destroy you.’ They were aided and abetted in this hostage
    taking by the mainstream media.

    What the week has shown is that Planned Parenthood, an organization that is
    under criminal investigation all over this country, will stop at nothing to
    maintain their stranglehold on organizations like the Susan G. Komen
    Foundation.”From Austin Ruse, pro-life observer at the UN.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      This ‘indictment’, from one that supports the ‘church’ that SUPPORTS perverted priests that MOLEST and ABUSE children, ALL the way to the TOP?

  • Linda

    I can understand why people have differences of opinion about abortion. What makes the Komen decision so explosive is the fact that it comes within the context of escalating attacks on women’s reproductive health like the “personhood” movement which, if successful, will make contraceptive devices illegal. Having lived in the times of the illegality of contraceptive devices, I know what the impact of such idiocy would do to women’s lives.

  • Hidan

    Komen has a right to cut funding if it wants, others have the right to complain, expose and/or cut funding to the Komen foundation.

    Like always the rightwinger who claim to want small government are pushing for big government when it’s dealing with women’s right.

    • Gregg

      Which right wingers are pushing for what “big government”? What does a “woman’s right” have to do with this topic?

    • Modavations

      I await the name of an american ghetto run by a republican.

      • Hidan

        I thought this thread was on Komen and PP

        As I stated before republicans run on failure and when in government work to accomplish such platform.  Republicans have failed the black community so the only logical people to turn to are democrats.

        As you stated before you stand with Bill Cosby

        http://theweek.com/article/index/100595/bill-cosby-obama-and-race

        Now continue your trolling and attacks on black.

        • Modavations

          And the answer to my query is what.What ghetto is run by a Republican?What are you going on about Bill Cosby.I don’t get it.Cosby and Farakhan are,in my opinion the only black leaders who look out for blacks.It is not the Dem.party,lad

    • Modavations

      When you’re finished telling me the name of an american run ghetto,I’d like your opinion(as an expert of the middle east)about the hostages in Cairo and the Russian-Chinese veto.So much for the Arab Spring

      • Hidan

         ??

        What does any of that has to do with Komen and Planned Parenthood?

        Glad you agree with Cosby .

        • Ray in VT

          It has about as much to do with the topic as many of his comments, which is to say generally very little.

          • Modavations

            Mean Sts.the man made a charge and is refusing to back it up.And Prof Lindzen,Sloan Chair MIT,knows nothing!!!!Mon Dieu

          • Ray in VT

            How were the mean streets of Newton Ma growing up.  Pretty tough, I bet.  Maybe Lindzen should talk with Hawking.   And you are pretty much the resident expert here on making charges without backing.  SPLC is a “leftist hate group.  Good one.  Do you do stand up?

          • Modavations

            Mean Streets.Started out on w.55th st. between 8th and 9th ave.Went to gem school in Manhattan.Tell us all about blacks in Johnson ,Vt..I’m not talking about Black moose.Does anyone know Johnson Vt.Picture a run down welfare town,populated overwhelmingly by hippys

          • Ray in VT

            Wow, that sounds rough.  How on earth did you survive?  What’s your hang up on race, dude?  Feeling uneasy about that old hood in your closet?

          • Modavations

            FrederickDouglas Manning is the name in my passport

  • Emjones

    Tom,
    The Susan G. Komen Foundation donates far less than one-tenth of one percent of Planned Parenthood’s budget. That’s less than one part in a thousand.So why are you concerned about this????

    • TFRX

      Komen makes grants to about 4000 different places. Some serious needle-threading was trumped up to make PP “too controversial”.

      Plenty of other orgs on that list are under investigation, yet PP were singled out.

      Selective persecution like Komen did last week is a cause for concern for an org which is supposed to be “apolitical” and “non partisan”, yet staffed with GOP hacks. And the ever-changing explanations only adds fuel to the fire.

  • Modavations

    Right now C-span(Wash.Journal)is running a story about catholic hosp,etc, running afoul of Pres.Obama contaceptive,abortion laws.It just started

    • Gregg
      • Hidan

         Newts an failure. who knows how many abortions his mistress had when he was cheating on wife 1,2, and prob 3.

        If anyone wants to click on the link it has

        The leftist propaganda machine in the header. So we know it’s going to be “fair and balance” than at the bottom are links to right wing hacks, race baiters websites.

        Some of the links/sites are listed under the Southern Poverty Law center as a Hate groups “Jihud Watch” by Pam Geller another has Michelle Malkin.

        Under funny stuff they have Barack the magic negro

        • Gregg

          That is a very deep and thorough analysis of Newt’s words.

        • Modavations

          The Southern Poverty Law Center is a leftist hate group unto it’s self.The Magic Negro story was run in the LA.Times and was written by a black guy.It’s concern was is President Obama black enough?

      • Modavations

        The god of the leftist is the state.The first thing a communist junta does is close the church.I love the muslims at Notre Dame(?),that want crosses removed.I’ll bet the ACLU is behind it

        • nj

          ^ Raises incoherence to an art form. 

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Doesn’t he, though?

      • Iarguethus

        I disagree, I think David Gregory’s counterpoint holds. The rule applies to hospitals and schools only, not the churches themselves.

        We need to have certain universal standards for those institutions irrespective of ownership of these institutions. 

        And in this day and age , if your backward ass 1st century views prevents you from following those rules, the catholic or any other institutions should get out of the business of running hospitals and schools.

        • Gregg

          I have a little more respect for deeply held religious views than to label them “backward ass 1st century views”. I just haven’t been able to wrap my head around eternal infinite dimensions, not enough to disparage other’s contemplations anyway. I’m glad to see you have.

  • Steve

    Is it possible for PP to segregate services?
         -abortion related services vs.
         -contraception/women’s health
    Would this allow support for one but not the other and help define/diffuse situation?

    • Gregg

      It’s already segregated on the books but to me that is meaningless. It’s a distinction without a difference. 

      • Steve

        Two distinct organizations:
             -Planned Parenthood Abortion Services
             -Planned Parenthood Health and Contraception

        Komen could support one without fear of backlash.
        Pro-choice organizations could support the other w/o
             political ramifications.
        Not argumentative only searching for solution.

        • Gregg

          They are both Planned Parenthood.

          This is the reason I support drug testing for welfare recipients.

          • Modavations

            Ooh,ooh,ohh.Now that’s throwing chum to the piranhas.Let me put my hard hat on.

          • nj

            Yes, CEOs from Exxon Mobil, Mall*Wart, Citi, GE, ADM, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, BP, etc., etc., etc., should have to pee in a cup before they get another dime of federal subsidy, tax break, or bailout.

          • Modavations

            Agreed.When do we start.Most people working for a private employee are subject to random drug screening.Want to have a chuckle.Let’s test the solons

          • Anonymous

            I have to say that drug testing is a violation of peoples 4th amendment rights to unwarranted search and seizure.
            Funny how it’s mostly done with low paying jobs, as if people who take these jobs are on drugs.

            It’s also funny how you go on about getting government out peoples lives, but this seems to be very selective, a theme that GOP has.

          • Modavations

            And if you’re at work and kill someone and you’re high and broke,who gets sued.Let’s have a laugh and test the solons.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            THIS I AGREE WITH!

          • Gregg

            I’m not talking about 4th amendment rights, I’m talking about tax payer funded drug use. I don’t care what anyone does in their own home as long as it’s on their dime. If they want my money then they need to show me it’s not going for a jar of Pineapple Lady Uno.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            What is Pineapple Lady Uno?  I’ve been hearing about the one called ‘spice’, and have had training about what to do, if we’re called to a ‘meth’ house, or a suspected ‘meth’ car.

          • Ray in VT

            Hold up, are you defending the war on drugs and the government’s authority to tell us what we can put into our bodies?  That doesn’t sound very free to me.

          • Gregg

            But what if we pay for it? That’s different. How about at the very least we require welfare recipients to keep two sets of books. Accountants could verify where the welfare money went. There would be a separate audit of the other set of books detailing budgets for Alcohol, pot and crack.

          • Gregg

            I never thought he’d get it, maybe there’s hope.

      • Anonymous

        Are you also opposed to tax money going to religious groups that claim they are only using the money to administer secular programs?  The accounting is more strict for Planned Parenthood as I believe the Bush administration made the rules more lax for religious groups.

  • Anonymous

    I just took a look at the accompanying photo of their corporate HQ and I’m outta there as far as support goes. It’s interesting to contrast Komen’s glitz with Planned Parenthood’s headquarters.  PP has been around seven decades (at least) has (it seems) fewer pretensions. I’m always on the side of organizations that put more into the causes they serve than they do into their own  “image.” Maybe the dust storms in TX (more frequent these days) will grind some of the glitz off Komen…

    http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/01/24/planned-parenthood-buys-its-ny-hq-for-38-4m/

    • Anonymous

      I’m shocked that the building isn’t pink.

      • Modavations

        righteous

  • Cynthia Starrett

    In November 2011 Komen made an even more ominous decision about allocating their funds by withdrawing $12 million dollars in grants to embryonic stem cell research  http://www.care2.com/causes/susan-g-komen-foundation-also-stops-funding-embryonic-stem-cell-research.html#ixzz1lHCFF8OV.  Planned Parenthood can easily replace their contributions, but this decision is far more damaging. 

    Komen has been using former Bush press secretary and right wing pundit, Ari Fleischer as an advisor on an ongoing basis http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/02/04/419020/update-and komen-announces-continued-involvement-of-ari-fleischer-on-planned-parenthood-strategy/   He hired avowed abortion opponent Karen Handel as VP.  This seems good evidence of Komen’s move toward a more right wing political position.

    • Gregg

       Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      • Ray in VT

         But some of their donors may think otherwise.  If the perception of their move regarding Planned Parenthood is that it has more to do with politics, then that may be a part of why this move has created such a kerfuffle.

        • Gregg

          Like it or not, abortion is steeped in politics. Donors are not obligated to donate and as we discussed Friday, both sides received boosts to their funding.

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t particularly like that it is, but you’re right.  It is a fact.   I wonder what has happened with donations since they reversed their decision.  I haven’t seen anything about that, but I haven’t looked either.

        • Modavations

          80% of PP abortions are in the ghetto.Just like M.Sanger planned!!

          • Ray in VT

            So are you saying that Planned Parenthood is attempting to exterminate black people?  Would you mind passing me some of whatever it is that you smoke.

          • Modavations

            What do you call the Democrat Ghetto.What do you call the denial of school vouchers.The Democrats were the slavers that Lincoln fought against.

          • Ray in VT

             Hey, remember when the bigoted, states-right Southern party was the Democratic one.  Now it’s the GOP.  I invite you to go through Georgia and remind them that Sherman was a Republican.  The GOP used to be the party of the North, until it sold it’s soul to disaffected southern segregationists under Nixon.

            And I don’t like school vouchers, just as an afterthought.  My best friend runs a Catholic school, but I don’t want my tax dollars going to support it.

          • Modavations

            You can go to Notre Dame with a Pell Grant

          • Anonymous

            So.

          • Ray in VT

            That is true.  This is just about the only issue that I have ever sen you raise that has made me think differently about an issue, and I have yet to come to a determination on this one.

          • Modavations

            I got you scratching your dome mean streets.Has anyone ever been to Johnson Vt.?

          • Ray in VT

            More people than have been to that laissez-faire utopia that you seem to think is spreading across the globe.

          • Anonymous

            No rural poverty in the Republican run states?  Political parties aren’t static and change over time.  The racist Southern Democrats mostly switched parties.   

          • Modavations

            Boston still has forced busing.Robert Byrd was extolled till his death

          • Anonymous

            You didn’t mention the rural poverty. 

            No he wasn’t.  His obtituaries all mentioned his disgusting past as a Klansman.

          • Modavations

            The sage,the constitutional expert.That condemnation!!!!In 1964 the Dems. filibustered the Civil Rights Legislation.Al Gore’s daddy was a punk a–,racist

          • Ray in VT

            Yup, southern Democrats, who mostly later became Republicans.  Your lack of understanding of basic history, or the outright denial thereof, is truly amazing.

          • Ray in VT

            Just like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond.  How did that segregation today, segregation forever thing work out for him.  I guess that maybe the U.S. would have been better off if he had won the Presidency in 1948 on that platform, at least according to that well-known Democrat Trent Lott.

          • Modavations

            Obama’s very first act(?)was to rescind the DC.voucher scholarship program.Most recipients were poor blacks.one third of all black males are in prison,parole or probation.Pres.Obama condemned 500 to lives of misery and worse

          • Ray in VT

            So Obama’s racist against black people?  The war on drugs put a lot of the guys there, including laws designed to put crack users to away for longer than cocaine dealers.  Your isolated instance fails to show how the Democratic Party is racist for opposing school vouchers.

          • Ray in VT

            Don’t waste your time trying to talk sense.  It’s a waste of breath.

          • Modavations

            Any Party that denies the poor a school voucher,is in my opinion RASCIST

          • Ray in VT

            Please share with us the great wisdom behind this fundamental belief of yours.  I’m sure that is has something to do with how evil the Democrats and the international communist backers are.

          • Modavations

            Mean Streets,what do guys from Johnson,Vt know about Communists.If you want, I’ll tell you my Communist story

          • Ray in VT

            Is it how you used to be one?

          • Anonymous

            Tax money shouldn’t support religious education.  Why did all of these private schools prop up after the public schools were integrated?  Why did all the whites flee to the suburbs? 

          • Assa

            You smashed the hive to pieces….and you’re covered in honey

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You would want to have Moda’s view of everything?

          • Ray in VT

            Nah.  I’ve got better things to do.

          • Anonymous

            Buddy, you’re lucky you are hiding behind a wall of obscurity, because I’m sure you would never say these things to people in the flesh. If you did, there is a pretty good chance you would be laid out.

          • Ellen Dribble

            His parents are so proud

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I don’t appreciate you posting under a name that is so close to the screen name of a lady that makes thoughtful, and caring comments!

          • Anonymous

            I thought that was childish too.  She has never engaged in the nonsense that this forum has lately devolved into. 

          • nj

            Just flag it.

          • Modavations

            To quote the kid from a few weeeks ago…..Flag you mini cop.What a hoot

          • Modavations

            I thought that was the real Ellen and was offended by her off handed and unusual comments.What’s with this phantom post stuff.You guys are like an alien species to me

          • Anonymous

            Were you afraid of the competition for offhanded and unusual comments?

          • Modavations

            When they opened Tiller’s files most late term abortions were done because of the womans psychological state.Not the health of the mother,nor problems with the child.Cosmetic surgery basically.Are you for it or against it.Now make you parents proud

          • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

            Cite your information with valid links or stand accused of lying.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Moda will assure you that he never lies? 
              Moda cite VALID info?
              Good luck with that!

          • Modavations

            Sorry Ellen.Ultrax and Hundie Watts.I should have known it wasn’tyou

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Anyone that understands this, please explain it to me?  Moda mixes punctuation and spelling so much, it’s hard to sort?

          • Modavations

            conjecture and you’re sweating again son

          • Anonymous

            no I’m just sick an tired of you act. Which is based on making the most vile comments you can think of. You then com back with a stock answer, which is on the level of a 5th grader how has been caught out on the playground.

          • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

            I see the trolls have arrived. Right on time.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    How much cancer research could have been done for the price of that building?
        What all does the Susan G. Komen group do, that they need such a fancy temple?

    • Modavations

      NPR in Boston has church hour every Sunday between 11:00-12:00 noon.They are giving succor to the Perverts.

      • Anonymous

        I wish they wouldn’t air that.  I listen to WGBH that hour. 

        • Modavations

          The point is directed to TerryTT.He takes umbrage to religion,yet will hypocritically stand by NPR.I hear Pervert Priests and Greeeeeedy, Greeeeeedy rich all day,every day

  • Mike

    At the end of the day this will make the Komen foundation much stronger

  • Terry Tree Tree

    HYPOCRICY RUNS RAMPANT!! 
       If ‘Women’s Health’, is your cry, how do you justify cutting help for women’s health?
       Like Catholics decrying ‘Homosexuality is an abomination’, then HELPING  priests, that have molested boys, to KEEP molesting boys?
      Like Catholics that say that children are special, the future, and other slogans, supporting Child-Molesting and Child-Abusing priests and clergy, ALL the way to the TOP?
      Any ‘religious’ organization, that Opposes abortion, then does NOTHING for the children that are born?
       Ask yourself what you REALLY believe in, and how you support it ACTUALLY?

    • Modavations

      Were you molested by priests?What is your obsession with Priests.Arn’t you a Democrat.The priests are Dems.

      • Ray in VT

        I suppose, as always, that you have some hard data to back up your assertion.

        • Modavations

          of course.I will never purposefully lie to you.I give you my word

          • Ray in VT

            I highly doubt that.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            That’s ALL the ‘hard data’ you’ll probably get from Moda?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        You support Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse?

        • Modavations

          No.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Then what is your problem with my statements against it?
               That makes it look like you support Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse?

          • Modavations

            Terry it’s all day,every day.You probably say this stuff while you’re sleeping

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Didn’t they molest and abuse children while I slept?

    • EJ

      This is a thread about the Komen/Planned Parenthood and you bring up all this Catholic stuff.  Are you attempting to use anti-catholic bigotry as part of your argument.  As Arthur Schlesinger said, “Anti-catholicism remains the one last accepted bigotry in America.”  There are many pro-life groups….why are you focusing your arguments and obvious anger toward abusive priests?  Pedophile priests do not run Komen.

  • Ellen Dribble

    I support a womans right to choose

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Komen hit a nerve – many, many women, many daughters, many wives, many mothers have depended on PP for healthcare during some period in their lives, and are grateful for its existence.

    So when Komen said they were going step down, many of their donors said they were going to step up. And Komen looked at the $$’s that would no longer be going through their organization, and reversed their decision. But I think a lot of their donors will not be coming back.

  • Oedipa

    The concept of “pink-washing” needs to be discussed. The most high profile example might be the NFL. To deal with the PR disaster of the Ben Roethlisberger sexual assaults, it began devoting it’s entire October schedule to migrating pink into every team’s uniform. Many companies and organizations do this, and it became a very safe thing to do, in part because of the (supposedly) non-partisan, non-ideological nature of the cause. Can it remain so after this affair?

  • Modavations

    If you don’t like Komen,don’t donate.

  • nj

    Another opinion: 

    http://politic365.com/2012/02/03/komen-decision-race-class-abortion-and-republicans/

    Komen Decision: Race, Class, Abortion and Republicans

  • Pete

    The outrage over the political influence on this is so specious.
    Supporters of Planned Parenthood have the myopic idea that they are operating from principle but the Komen foundation is being “influenced by right wing politics.” If the support of abortion is a righteous stance than surely the opposition to it
    is equally high-minded. If a private organization decided to
    no longer give what amounts to a token dollar figure to an organization that they regarded as colluding in the taking of innocent life that would be a defendable moral position.

    If abortion wasn’t their concerned but they thought they could raise more money by appealing to donors who were turned off by their funding of Planned Parenthood that would also be a equally ethical stance in line with their mission.

    If Planned Parenthood’s major concern was the loss of funds for
    breast screenings rather than a symbolic fight over abortion rights, they could easily make up the difference in the miniscule loss of cash by appealing to their own donors.

    • David L

       I’d really like Tom and guests to address this. Doesn’t SGK Foundation have the right to support or not support any other organization they deem appropriate? Let’s say SGK actually cited abortion as the reason they stopped funding Planned Parenthood: Don’t they have the right to do so? Their mission is to fight breast cancer, not advocate for what some believe to be a woman’s right.

      If you disagree with their decision, fine. But to stop donating to them or supporting them in general seems like a complete overreaction, as they still contribute a huge amount of money ($90 million+ a year, I heard?) to breast cancer research.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Komen’s actions have not only provoked backlash, but double backlash – I expect the people that donated because Komen dumped PP are very upset Komen reversed themselves. But I noticed Komen hasn’t offered to refund any of those donations.

  • Rick Solie

    This article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/05/karen-handel-susan-g-komen-decision-defund-planned-parenthood_n_1255948.html is mentioned by one of the contributors below, as is the association of Ari Fleischer with the Komen Foundation.  Can you and your guests please be sure to discuss the implications of this?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Apparently, Komen has been going after the wrong part of the body.  They should have been seeking the implant of a spine.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    If ALL non-profits are under investigation, Susan G. Komen KEEPS ALL the money?  Give CEO RAISES? 

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       The primary function of too many such organizations.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

       I want to know what happens if Komen comes under investigation – do they stop funding themselves?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Good Question!  Maybe the officers should be investigated?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Mammograms are not be all and end all of breast cancer prevention/diagnosis. PP provides much more than that in education, teaching self exam, etc.

  • Emily Bruins Shoemaker

    It disturbs me that one organization has so much power. When PP says “jump” the entire political and medical establishment fall over each other to obey. When did a woman’s right to choose become a woman’s right to choose PP? Has anyone looked into what sort of medical care they actually do or do not provide? Is there anyone who can stand up to PP and get the truth?

    • TFRX

      Actually, yes, all the time.

      I bet you’re secretly one pregnancy scare away from being pro-choice.

      • TFRX

        Let me rephrase:

        When did a woman’s right to choose become a woman’s right to choose PP?
        Has anyone looked into what sort of medical care they actually do or do
        not provide?

        Who else does what PP does? You’ve never been suckered into a Birthright, I bet.

        And people have been “looking into PP” for years now. They’ve basically been persecuted. Ever hear of the felonious fabulist James O’Keefe?

      • Modavations

        Heard that one Friday

  • Laurie

    I’m a two-time 3-Day walker, and I have many fond memories of my experiences. However, I don’t feel I can support SGK at this point, barring a major shakeup of leadership. Even if I felt like I could overlook the events of last week and walk again, the fact remains that SGK’s actions have poisoned the well — almost all my friends who supported me in the past are too angry about this debacle to donate to SGK again. As a result, if I want to walk for a cause in the future, I’m going to have to find a different organization to support.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Your position isn’t clear.  Are you upset because you found out the SGK was contributing to PP?

      I think there are people on both sides of the issue upset with SGK.

      • Laurie

        Personally, I am a supporter of PP. My feelings about whether SGK should make grants to PP or any other organization are complicated. Generally, a foundation has the right to choose its mission and to decide which organizations meet its criteria. However, it’s patently obvious that SGK was subject to enemy infiltration in the form of Karen Handel and whatshername the other anti-science board member (and I say “enemy” because Handel ran for governor of GA in 2010 on an explicitly anti-abortion, anti-PP platform), that the policy decision that would have defunded PP was specifically designed to target PP, and that Nancy Brinker lied about how and why this decision was made. What I don’t understand is why Brinker would do that; at one point she was actually a member of the advisory board of Planned Parenthood of Dallas, and in 1996 received the Gertrude Shelburne Humanitarian Award from Planned Parenthood of North Texas.

        If the decision to cease support of PP had been honestly and transparently made, and weren’t clearly about the politics of abortion, that would be different. I could keep walking, and my friends would keep supporting me. But that’s not what happened, so I can’t and they won’t. It’s sad.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    INVESTIGATE ALL organizations that have been doing ‘cancer research’, for DECADES, with NO REAL sucess?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Why on earth are you quoting anything from The View?

  • Steve

    I’m a member and supporter of planned parenthood and strongly believe in ‘choice’. But I am concerned that wake of the Komen issue lots of private foundations may be reluctant to support controversial initiatives if they are dragged through the mud in the Colosseum of public opinion. Kohmen a private foundation. They can do what they want with their money (even if its poor judgement).

    • TFRX

      dragged through the mud in the Colosseum of public opinion

      Komen started down that road by hiring anti-science hacks and ex-Bushies.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    Abortion is legal, right?  Why shouldn’t the federal government be able to support a legal medical option?  How is it that some people can impose their opinion/will/religious belief on other people?

    I think that preventing people from having a legal medical option is unconstitutional.  The Hyde Amendment should be struck down as illegal and unconstitutional.

    Neil

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

       The abortion opponents seem to be holding *all* of women’s health hostage until they can force their views on all health providers.

      Again, abortion is legal and it is an important health option, and like everything in health, all options have to be a decision of the patient and her doctor.

      Neil

  • Wandahendrix

    A private foundation has a right to fund or not fund anything it wants.  Please just be honest about your reasons for goodness sake!  Wanda

  • Dee from NYS

    Komen can kiss a pink ribbon if they think American women are going to reward them for putting women’s health on the chopping block to kiss a few GOP politicians. And FYI, abortion, which has nothing to do with mammograms, is still legal in the country, although you would hardly know it by listening to the hysterical right wing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Given PP’s primary work (planned parenthood), if they disappeared tomorrow, I expect the number of abortions in this country would explode.

  • Lauren

    What percentage of Komen funds go to research, what percentage to overhead?

    • Laurie

       That information is easily found on their website, if you look for their annual reports.

    • Laurie

       Oh hell, since I posted it elsewhere, I’ll post it here, too:

      Their FY10 annual report states that 12% of revenue went to
      administration, 8% to fundraising, 7% to treatment, 15% to screening,
      24% to research, and 34% to education. Unless they’re lying, in which
      case they have even larger problems than this one.

  • TFRX

    No better conservative to have on for this subject than Mona Charen?

    • Anonymous

      They also quoted that nitwit from the View.

      • TFRX

        Yeah. If I were a gambling man, I’d bet Whoopi over E. Hasselback any time.

        • Ray in VT

          Guinan would take her down.  Who’s for some new celebrity boxing.  Maybe even make it for charity.

  • Nicole

    http://www.inquisitr.com/190169/susan-g-komen-foundation-promotes-pink-guns-following-planned-parenthood-controversy/

    Why on earth then, is Komen supporting GUNS if they are pre-life?  Guns were invented only to KILL people.  Secondly, it was posted that Komen is still giving quite a bit of funding to Penn State, yet Penn State is under criminal investigation for the hiding the systematic RAPE of children.  Where is there commitment to quality of life with those decisions?  Many of us are starting to question the validity of most of the “pink” we see:  any product can plaster on a pink ribbon, and make money, when their products probably cause cancer in the first place.  And we don’t even know what percentage of such “products” donate to Komen.  Komen needs to show us that it is really supporting women.  It is a women’s choice to get an abortion–maybe that woman has cancer, and can’t carry a baby, did they think about that?  And, to Planned Parenthood’s defense, they provide education and help, and some people forget that they have education programs for BOYS, teaching them the importance of responsibility.  Pro-life people also have to understand that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.  No one wants an abortion really–but if a woman wants one, it should be her choice.  She shouldn’t have to choose between a doctor and a coat hanger. Prevention is the key, and if everyone could put energy into that–both for sex education and for preventing cancer with more green products, we’d all be living in a much better world!

  • Ca_brit

    The logic of the Conservative Right is hard to to grasp. It campaigns fervently against the right to choose, yet once the child is born they don’t give a damn e.g. they campaign against welfare payments to single parent (welfare queens) and for healthcare provisions that will greatly benefit low income and single parent families.

  • Ed

    Yes, their connection with abortion makes them unfit.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Unfit for what?  Joining your church?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      As unfit as the Catholic church?  Perverted priests and clergy ALL the way to the TOP?

  • Uma

    Is it at all relevant to this conversation that abortion is still legal in this country?  Does this little-mentioned fact change the  debate at all?

  • Anonymous

    Will this controversy hurt the sales of the pink KFC buckets of fried chicken?

    • Ray in VT

      Probably not as much as the gastric distress that the contents of the buckets will.

      • Modavations

        good one.They poisoned my a– last year.Haven’t been back since

        • Ray in VT

          Hey, we can agree on something, right?  It always does horrible things to my wife’s entire family, but they still go back once in a while.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Expecting different results?

  • Bucky

    So Komen wants to distance itself ‘morally’ from the abortion debate, yet they take in money from a discount handgun dealer in Seattle?  Absolutely makes sense to me…

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       As opposed to pink on a cereal box?

  • Anonymous

    Many of the anti-choice groups also oppose birth control and sex education not just abortion.

    • Ray in VT

      It makes you wonder, doesn’t it.  Because telling people to just not do it has worked so well historically.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Ask Sarah Palin how well Abstension ONLY Training works?

  • Mcarr

    This is an organized and specifically timed event by the GOP to bring in social issues for the November elections – the candidate selection is not firing up the base – time to get social issues out front and center; expect to hear constitutional amendments on Red State ballots for defining marriage among other red meat issues.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    PP provides hundreds of thousands of abortions – and probably prevents millions of them. I expect many, many more than pro-life groups prevent.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Abstension Training worked so well for Bristol Palin?

      • TFRX

        Abst-Only works perfectly. Right up until the moment it fails completely.

        No wonder leftwingers like myself call that medication “Plan B”. Well, as long as any random pharmacist doesn’t have a religious objection.

        • Ray in VT

          Henry Rollins had a nice bit on one of his albums about a social worker he knew in Texas who credited abstinence-only sex ed. with keeping her employed working with teen moms.

  • Anonymous

    Planned Parenthood is a group of clinics who are affiliated and their numbers are aggregated.  By far, most abortions are performed in doctors’ offices and hospitals all over the world.  To say PP is the largest abortion provider is wrong.

  • TFRX

    The background facts of PP’s non-abortion stuff have to be explained to Mona Charen?

    What a surprise.

    Tom, this stuff is boilerplate background information, and should be upfronted.

  • Scott B, Jamestown

    I can no longer support Komen. To give into political pressure over abortion from the Right, which ironically and hypocritically, are the ones that are the supposed advocates of government not coming between a person and their health care provider, for what is only about 3% of Planned Parenthood’s services is deplorable. 

    When I see a group change their story again and again, especially so many times within 3 days, that tells me the reason they can’t get their story straight is that they’re trying to hide something. 

    In their original move Komen was trying to do the same thing that people like Sen. John Kyl did and paint Planned Parenthood as a business that is almost wholly an abortion provider, which it is not.

    I’ll find a way to aid this cause locally and further support Planned Parenthood.

  • Ngood2

    Breast cancer rates have increased in younger women.  Even though they are still a small percentage of BC patients, they are not being regularly screened by mammograms as those of us over 50.  It’s critical that professional women’s health services such as provided by Planned Parenthood not be limited. 

    And as a bit of an aside – you stated the number of abortions PP provided.  How about giving us the stats on how many women have received contraceptives from PP and therefore likely advoided abortion.

  • Dan

    A new documentary opens today in Canada and next week in the US that opens the door on the Komen foundation, Pink Ribbons Inc.  Not flattering according to the trailer.  
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QPZfcYTUaA

  • Sguzik

    Despite the millions raised for “The cure” the incidence of breast cancer has gone up  and we are no closer to curing cancer than we were 20 years ago.  Drugs prolong the life of some cancer patients but the level IV patients do not have much of a life expectancy. 
    It seems a lot of money from the Komen Foundation goes toward education and a smaller percentage goes toward actually “finding the cure.”  Since pushing early mammograms has been shown to be of questionable usefulness – it seems that organizations like the Komen Foundation should perhaps shift their focus toward funding more research toward finding the cure – as advertized.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      DO what they claim to?  What a revolutionary idea?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The long term impact is pink ribbons are now a anti-abortion symbol – and people are going to react to that.

  • Ann

    My group stopped supporting Komen about 5 years ago because they are very heavy in administrative costs.  We have moved to supporting Play for Pink instead.

  • JAMESDTHOMPSON

    This is much much more than Komen making a mistake.  This is part of a calculated and new assault on womens’ reproductive rights.  There has always been an ongoing political, and heated, battle prochoice v. prolife.  This is a new radical right assault on birth control.  For crying out loud, this is 2012 and we’re talking about contraceptive restrictions?  It IS heartening to see strong push back and folks across the spectrum joining in the fight against this radical right attack on reproductive rights-especially birthcontrol.

    jim thompson,fort mill,sc

  • Anonymous

    Tom – are you SURE you know your subjects in this discussion?! I believe that I just recently heard you ask the audience “Are you surprised that ABORTION is political?!”

    Abortion has ONLY been political for 35+ years!! Aside from that whopper, might I remind you that the Koman Foundation HAS to stick to its mission, which DOES NOT include abortion. If Koman decides NOT to fund abortion, that is entirely the free choice of a board-governed nonprofit.

    And, Tom, lest to leap to conclusions about whether I do or don’t support choice – I most DEFINITELY DO! Nonetheless, I accept that 231+ years of do/do not  do that is implicit in the American nation.

    Here endeth the lesson!

    Larry Slater
    President
    Slater Research Services

  • Scott B, Jamestown

    That Planned Parenthood is under investigation is a cheap excuse.   If this isn’t a case of Komen working with the Right trying to throw the baby out with the bath water, I don’t know what is? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    I support any organization that is actually working towards a cure for cancer. What I cannot support is the concept that the decision to have an abortion is anything more than a personnel choice. However I may feel about when life begins or whether abortions are ethically acceptable or not really does not matter. It is a terrible choice to make but for those that make it, the choice is theirs alone. It is not my body and it is not my choice.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/23L6AZOXTYWZEXDWU2KOWHJ66A LindaW

    It is about time a very public microscope is turned on the Komen Foundation. I began looking at their practices after seeing a commercial promoting their relationship with KFC. That campaign alone blew my mind for so many reasons, obvious ones in my opinion. I wrote them a letter describing my outrage, and their response was more idiotic than the campaign itself, if you can believe that.  The PINKWASHING of breast cancer research is a double edged sword. Perhaps they raise money for breast cancer research, but more than a few of their ‘partnerships’ are corporations or products that very likely contribute to the causes of cancer, obesity, heart disease, etc. Many of their Pink partnership products seem to be nothing more than a means of exploiting the Pink ribbon to help the product’s  brand.

    The problems with Komen go far far beyond this Planned Parenthood gaffe, but I am thrilled it happened, and am pleased to see that they handled this PR debacle as poorly as they handled the backlash about their KFC partnership. 

  • Anonymous

    The Komen story is another example of the corpratization of everything in this country.  Whether it’s quashing groups that use “race for the cure”, pulling in pink ribbon advertizing, or now using their power of the purse in aid of those against PP.

    Komen has out grown what should be the core of their mission, which is working to cure breast cancer.  Cut out everything else and focus on the cure.  Drop the politics and be willing to work with all organizations that further women’s breast health.

  • Lynda Johnston

    As a former Planned Parenthood nurse-examiner, I must speak.  Planned Parenthood has much less power than the conservative anti choice block and its relentless war against the health care Planned Parenthood provides to women and men who can’t afford it.  The power rests with the supporters of Planned Parenthood.  Abortions continue because desperate women choose this option whether it is legal or illegal.

  • Rose

    How could you, Tom, and the woman from Planned Parenthood allow Mona Charen go unchallenged when she implied that people who favor CHOICE are also in favor of killing babies.  I’m so tired of the anti-choice machine getting away with that.

  • TFRX

    Can someone tell Mona Charen that women who are in charge of their own bodies, and aren’t suckered into Birthright or other “alternates” maybe, just maybe, know they can get real womens’ health services at PP, and are more likely to have an abortion because of that?

    And when’s the last time concerned conservative Mona Charen said “boo” to all the religious nuts and misogynistic crazies of the right wing, when it comes to womens’ health? We are talking about another exceedingly small, “reasonable” group of right-wingers who can’t get anywhere politically without the crazee.

    Witness all the first-time Komen donators who went ballistic when Komen half-rescinded. They though “Wow! Komen’s sticking it to PP!” and were disappointed when that turned out to not be the case.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      I remember the news of botched abortions, the deaths and maiming of girls and women, BEFORE Roe v Wade!

  • Anonymous

    My wife has used Planned Parenthood for years as her primary health provider.  They’re cheaper and provide great service.   
    I think it’s easy (in our comfortable existence) to get caught up in the small details and miss the big picture.  Both planned parenthood and the Komen fund have done a great job of raising awareness of, and services for, women’s health.   

    I don’t agree with everything my government does with my tax money but I still pay my taxes because most of it is good.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       And you’d spend some time on Federal vacation, or you’d have to donate to the IRS retirement fund if you didn’t. . .

  • paul

    I’m a buyer for a small retail chain and I am going to implement a temporary boycott of pink ribbon products in my department. Mostly because I feel that they are lying about their motives. This is just another part of the right wings attack on people who don’t share their beliefs. It’s time to push back. My apologies to my suppliers who are caught in the middle, but this is part of picking up a national brand that you don’t control.

    • Modavations

      I’d fire you if you worked for me.

    • Modavations

      What’s the companies name.I’ll make sure not to do business with them.Did you discuss this with your boss

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Avon Walk for Breast Cancer is a great event to contribute to, I’ll be volunteering there again this year.

  • http://www.BornAgainDemocrat.com/ Martin Long

    This is a great blog post from the Washington Post blog about Planned Parenthood funding.  It’s entitled “What Planned Parenthood actually does, in one chart”.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/what-planned-parenthood-actually-does/2011/04/06/AFhBPa2C_blog.html?wprss=rss_economy

  • Krjb

    The decision to back out of association with Planned Parenthood, and the series of efforts to put an acceptable spin on it was PROFOUNDLY STUPID.  Komen and PP both do good work.  I have supported both.  While I will continue to support PP, I need evidence that Komen has learned from this, that they will not bow to radical right pressure in the future, and that they have made productive efforts to establish good policies, especially to support the health of poor women and families.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Politics aside, what has Komen achieved?  Is there a link between money that Komen has spent and any woman who has survived?

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      They have probably done some good work.  But they have other issues: they pay their executives very well, and one wonders if as a charity this money should go directly to their work?  Also, they sue people over their motto — this seems to be a complete waste of millions.

      And I’m sure they have allowed themselves to “pinkwash” companies, and then they get donations.  They need to stop the use of endocrine disruptor chemicals in makeup — not let makeup companies hide behind a pink ribbon.

      Neil

    • http://www.BornAgainDemocrat.com/ Martin Long

      Greg,
      That’s what they do!  Thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of women’s lives have been saved by the Komen Foundation’s good works.  All those women on wearing pink on the breast cancer walks: Komen Foundation.

  • Richard Gable

    I also protested Komen decision by contacting Komen and Yoplait  I am pleased with the reversal

    I did hear on your report that some groups/government agencies are trying to defund groups that provide family planning servicies any funds if that orgaization also provides abortion services.  Well by that arguement states like Pennsylvania are funding Religious school by providing textbook and material supplies to those school *Acts 35, 90 & 195) provided those material are not religious in nature.  So these schools can use their own funds for religious materials. So if these state government agencies want to reject funding for family planning becasue other monies are going to abortion services ( a legal and consitutional act) then these states will need to reconsider other funding that goes to programs similar to PA’s aid to non-public schools.

    Richard Gable
    Pittsburgh, PA

  • Asiakepka

    as someone who in the past supported Komen i took a moment to see how their funds are being distributed. one of the things that made me pause was the salary of their COE-over  $450.000 in 2010. it seems to me little excessive. 

  • Tina

    As I indicated a few shows ago, my doctor cannot give me the chemotherapy drug he would like to give me because the pharmaceutical company that makes it feels that they can no longer make enough money from it thanks to generics eating into their profit levels.  The chemo drug he’d like to give me is apparently very effective, very well tolerated, and has fewer toxins than some other drugs he may now have to choose for me.  Also, this particular drug is NOT an exotic drug for rare cases, but a drug that works very well for a broad number of people with breast cancer. This is happening to many, many people, and the situation applies to other illnesses  besides cancer.  The ability of pharmaceutical companies to do more research into newer drugs is ALSO affected by generics’ eating into their profits.  I HATE where the profit motive applies; I fear where the search is halted.   

    (Just thought I’d add this to the mix of subjects on this topic.  Thanks!  Thanks, too, for the good wishes I got when I posted similar info a few weeks ago:  I wrote back with thanks, but I was several days late in reading the nice thoughts, so I’m not sure if my return thanks were ever seen.) 

    (By the way, now I realize that I might possibly be cyber-tracked since I posted this information even though I use a screen name.  I post information to add to the general discussion of the important topics discussed on this show.  I don’t do Facebook, but someone tried to sign me up for it once, and I never actually managed to “get rid of it”; so, how soon will Facebook let my credit card company know that they should probably raise my interest rates because I mentioned having cancer, as I have in the past —  all for a PROFIT to Facebook!!  NPR was not the only news source talking about this Facebook and Google business this weekend:  the NY Times Opinion section on Sunday had quite a bit about it, too!  But, from the discussion so far (35 minutes into today’s show), we can see that the MORE points of view that can be aired on a topic, the more we might be able to understand the actual nature of the topic!  What if ONLY people without cancer feel safe in writing into public forums on the topic?  A lot of subtle understanding of the topic will go unaired.  It’s NOT that people without cancer cannot contribute — I do NOT mean that!  I mean, if for our own digital profile protection, those of us WITH diseases feel it is not safe for us to contribute to the discussion of these topics:  think of what will be lost.  

  • Lmokriski

    Komen claims to be apolitical.  Yet at the time of the Healthcare Debate, they should have supported universal healthcare.  A woman who has a mammogram and finds out she has breast cancer has no recourse for care if she isn’t working and has no insurance. At that time, Sen. Lieberman’s wife who worked for an insurance company, and whose husband was the vote that undermined the healthcare bill, was on the board of Komen.  I wrote to them and they simply answered with a form letter.  I haven’t supported Komen since then.
    As an aside, my Italian friend in Italy, was diagnosed and treated over 2 years for cancer, and it cost her 10 euros out of pocket.  How are we the only Western nation not giving this right to our citizens?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    A number of people high up the Komen foundation resigned last week over their stance on PP. Sadly, this will shift Komen even more to the right with these voices no longer in the organization. 

  • Linda Ulrich-Hagner

    Comments:  it is unfortunate that you
    have decided to drop pp from
    your partners. their health
    clinics are some of the best
    in poor cities. what a crime
    for uninsured or underinsured
    women. Linda Ulrich-Hagner 
     
     

    • Modavations

      Get rid of welfare,bribe couples to marry and the heinous, out of wedlock birth rate drops.Less demand,less PP

      • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

        You’re making absolutely no sense at all.

        • Modavations

          Welfare has given us 90% out of wedlock births in the ghetto.80% of PP abortions are in the ghetto

        • Terry Tree Tree

          You see it too?

  • Bucky

    Look at Komen’s recent hire of Karen Handel if you want to be outraged.  Not only is she almost certainly behind this latest incident, but she has some very ‘interesting’ beliefs about gay rights. 

  • Jbturner

     I have two daughters.For a time they used Planned Parenthood for pap smears,birth control and so important for breast exams as I was diagnosed with breast cancer in 1999 and they had to be closely followed. Excellent show.

  • http://twitter.com/RicherEarth Eric McNulty

    Tom,
    The point that seems to be missing here is that Komen can choose to be political — they should just be upfront about it. If they want to be the pro-life breast cancer group just say so and those who support that position will support them and those who do not will not. A lot of the anger here, mine included, is that they present themselves as apolitical which seems now not to be truthful.

  • Terry Harris

    I saw something the other day that said that Koman has other grantees that are under investigation, but they did cut these grantees off.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      NO HYPOCRICY there?

  • Cherrish

    Komen needs to determine if their mission is Cancer or Anti- Abortion. If it is Cancer, then a “business case” to determine the value that they are receiving for their dollars contributed to Planned Parenthood are at least equal to the value they are getting from other organizations they are contributing too. 

  • Anonymous

    If another group cures breast cancer, will Komen “for the cure” sue them for infringement?

    • Anonymous

      Nice!

    • Anonymous

      Yes.

  • Ed

    What good is done?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Women’s health, contraceptives, and on and on.

    • Ray in VT

      Medical screenings, contraception.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       Oh, and Planned Parenthood also provides abortions in a few cases.  That’s a good as well.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Find an organization that does NOTHING that you disagree with?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

       The NRA. . .

      • Ray in VT

        Blech.  I say that as a gun owner, but to each his own.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Many gun owners that I have talked to over the years, disagree with some of NRA stands or tactics!

  • MM

    Why don’t they introduce an option which you can choose if you don’t want your money to go to planned parenthood so as not to lose donors. 

    • Anonymous

      Because they don’t want anyone’s money to go to PP.

  • Anonymous

    What I didn’t get to say when I called in- funny how this seems to break down into “good girl” (white, middle-class women as seen on the website) vs. “bad girl” (those poor and brown women who seek- gasp- birth control) judgments…

  • Anonymous

    The politics of this issue: Controlling women and their lives. Period. The only thing women have over men (cuz it ain’t salaries!) is the POWER to control their reproductive choices.

    When we call it what it is, those who seek to squash women in this way will shut up.

    What would be the discussion if men’s right to choose Viagra was challenged by people who believe no seed should be spilled/stopped? Come on!

    • Pete

      That would only be true if it was only a woman’s body at issue. Actually it’s a woman’s body AND a babies body.
      People who are pro-life are not interested in controlling a woman’s body they are interested in protecting a child’s life, which they believe is fully alive while still in the womb. That is a pretty hard thing to argue if you’ve ever seen a sonogram of a pregnant woman. 

      This is no different from people who find it acceptable for the state to remove a child from the care of a mother who is abusing a child. The concern there is not controlling how a mother lives, it’s protecting the child. 

      • Anonymous

        “babies body” – only if it is Siamese twins

      • TFRX

        I owe somebody a buck; I bet that you’d at least throw the medical term “fetus” in there once for at least the figleaf of reality’s sake.

        • Pete

          I see we have lame jokes about missing apostrophes and concerns about the use of the word “fetus.” Anyone up for tackling the main point?

          • TFRX

            When one side polite-ifies the language and trains folks to faint on the couch over “the baybeeeez”, science goes out the window.

            Not sure what kind of talk is worth having without that point.

          • Pete

            Of course “Choice” and “Fetus” are not euphemisms

            meant to sooth the conscience and political palatability of the
            pro-abortion side.

             

            Pro-lifers use “baby” because that’s what they believe they
            are talking about. They see the term “fetus” as one that helps people deny the reality of their “choice.” Ask a pregnant mother who wants her child what she is
            looking at when she sees a sonogram. It’s not just a baby, it’s her child. This is a pretty sane and reasonable conclusion to draw.

             

            People obviously have honest disagreements about this
            definition of life but if  those who
            call themselves  “pro-choicers”
            think of themselves as the only ones holding pure points of view and try to demonize
            the motivations of pro-lifers as being out to control women  or to eschew science then they are not having an honest debate. If one believes
            the pregnancy is a life then all the other arguments about misogamy, choice, Viagra,
            woman’s issues are irrelevant, the same way they are when considering the removal
            of a child from an abusive parent.

             

          • TFRX

            We don’t need to demonize the ilk of you.

            You have Birthright. You have quacks. You have fake, self-labeled “Christians”. You have plenty of happy horseshite “science” about breast cancer and miscarriage.

            You’re doing our work for us.

          • Pete

            It must be fun arguing with yourself and your own boogie men rather than responding
            to  anything I said. Carry on.

          • Modavations

            He’s tame today.

      • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

        Women are not incubators, Pete. And the fact that forced-birthers are also overwhelmingly against birth control gives the lie to your comments.

      • Questioner

        “This is no different from people who find it acceptable for the state to
        remove a child from the care of a mother who is abusing a child.”

        It is different because the child is in the mother.  Maybe those people who are so concerned about the baby can come up with a way of taking out the baby alive and incubating the baby in the womb of some other woman who wants to have the baby.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Better yet, incubate it in the Anti-abortion guys!  I’m sure the technology can be achieved?
             Still better!  In the rapists!

          • Modavations

            Yes,yes,the wonders of the cocktail.

  • Michaelp

    Loving parents bringing a child into the world often find themselves exhausted and out of sorts.  It’s not easy, having children.  But for those of us who adore their children, it’s worth the effort.

    Unwanted children are too often ignored and even abused, unfit and ill equipped to grow up as an active member of society. They lack the skills, they retain the trauma.

    Having once been married to a clinical psychologist, I have heard the horrendous stories of children being treated at her clinic.

    A woman should not have to obey abstract dictates about her own body.  It is important that she understand the effort required to raise a child.  And if she decides she is not prepared for that, she should be free to make her own decision.  If anyone thinks otherwise, I suggest that they be willing to adopt all the unwanted children.

  • Terry Harris

    I’m old enough to remember the time before Roe.  Abortion was illegal.  There were still abortions, they were done by underground operators.  As one of your speakers said many women died.  Women who could afford to travel to certain countries where abortion ws legal could get safe abortions.  Laws are not going to stop abortions any more than making alchol illegal stopped people from drinking.    

    • Tribalguitars

       Many people don’t know that many of the clergy were involved in helping Roe become law, because they were directly involved in talking to women that had illegal abortions and the pain and issues that resulted from them, and to the families of the women that died from botched illegal abortions; and to medical professionals that came in contact with these women in regards to what these women went through during an illegal abortion (like not having any anesthesia, and non-sterile instruments) and treating the women needing care after one of these procedures. 

  • Anonymous

    Why does PP have to downplay any of their services to these politically/ideologically motivated misogynistic people? Stop apologizing and say this abortion flap is about just one thing: controlling women. Period. And it must stop.

  • Jpark

    The problem is not the Komen Foundation but our society.  P.P. , parents, educators should be giving folks the message that having an unwanted child is their responsibility (most of the time) and that everyone needs to try their very best to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Teach your SONS, that THEY are responsible for ALL children that they help start?  I did.

  • Terry Harris

    What bothers me about Komen is, as one of the speakers said, they spend only 17% of revenues on their mission.  The rest goes to salaries, administration, lobbying and political activities.

    • Laurie

      Their FY10 annual report, which is easily found on their website, states that 12% of revenue went to
      administration, 8% to fundraising, 7% to treatment, 15% to screening,
      24% to research, and 34% to education. Unless they’re lying, in which
      case they have even larger problems than this one.

      Be pissed at Komen, but be pissed based on the actual facts.

      • Anonymous

        This isn’t specific to Komen, but many non-profits hide expenses under education.  Many of the employees who don’t directly work in fundraising are expected to work on it too.  Example: sending out fundraising requests with enough educational info to make it considered education.

      • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

        “Education”? They need to call it what it is–BRAND MARKETING.

        • Anonymous

          pink bucket of education for the cure

  • Ed Siefker

    Komen spends most of their money on marketing and overhead.  Donate directly to Planned Parenthood if you want your money to make a difference, instead of supporting these leeches.  

  • Megan

    If Komen wanted to cure breast cancer they would work more on prevention, like ridding the world of toxic chemicals.  Avon and Estee Lauder products contain carcinogens.  I’ve seen pink ribbons on Progresso soup cans that are lined with plastic BPA endocrine disruptors.  Our food is grown with petroleum products and doused with Roundup.  The list goes on.  Ban all these and the rate for all cancers would go down.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Since only 3% of PP services are abortion, perhaps PP should divest itself of abortion services.  Removing the controversial services should allow increased fundraising from all quarters.  The new, smaller, abortion only provider will have no problems raising funds from supporters.  Sounds like a win-win.

    • Anonymous

      And for all the women for whom PP is the ONLY provider of women’s health/birth control services? 
      Oh right- make abortion unavailable, when you can’t make it illegal.Why don’t these people who hate abortion so much  support REAL sex education? Not talking about sex, or worse, “abstention only” policies do not make sexual behavior magically go away, for the love of Pete!

    • TFRX

      Yes, PP and its experienced lawyers should give up on abortion providing. That’ll get them out of the crosshairs.

      You think this will make the rabid right happy? It’ll make them stop? That they aren’t after control of womens’ bodies, real sex ed, and contraception?

      Please stop concern trolling on this issue.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you!

    • Ray in VT

      That sounds more like a retreat and a concession to it’s opponents and critics.  It might end some of Planned Parenthood’s problems, but the new entity would still be under the same sort of attacks, sometimes, unfortunately, literal, as the organization deals with today.

  • Ann S. Harris

         Those passionately opposed to abortion represent the opposite extreme from those who would force women to end a desired pregnancy (as happens in China apparently).  If abortion became illegal, then not only will women end up dying from botched amateur abortions but every woman whose pregnancy ends in a miscarriage (over 25% of all pregnancies at conservative estimates) will be suspected of having engineered it herself or with her doctor, especially if she’s relieved about this outcome. Both the woman and her doctor could end up in jail (or whatever punishments are imagined by opponents of this procedure). Those who want abortion ended need to know that they may regret getting what they wished for. 
          No one is “pro-abortion”.  The goal is to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and we know how to do that: better comprehensive sex education, and use of contraceptives by all couples who do not want to conceive a child when having sex.  The Catholic Church needs to grow up, accept human sexuality – as most lay Catholics have – and stop their blanket opposition to contraception.  Countries that forbid abortion have far higher rates of it than countries that allow it and make sure good sex education is available for all young people.  Etc. etc.!!
         Denying women a the choice about keeping or ending a pregnancy in its early stages (or later if her health is in danger or the developing foetus has major medical issues – like no brain – and cannot survive after birth) is to deny her any legal standing about her own body and life decisions.  As Flo Kennedy, a pioneering lawyer for the rights of African Americans and women, once said about this: “It gives women  the legal status of a Tupperware container”.  That should be unacceptable to all women and all men too.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Anti-Abortion?
      How many seriously-handicapped, minority children, that are the results of rape, are YOU raising?
      Until there are NO children homeless, institutionalized homes, abused by clergy, abused by ‘protectors’, left to starve, etc…, the anti-abortionists are HYPOCRITES?

    • Modavations

      NPR runs a church program on Sun.between 11:00-12:00noon.You know ,pervert priests.A real man of conviction would shun this station.Please comment.It’s 11:30,how many times will you squeeze in Pervert Priests today.I’ll do a count and see how many times you’ve used it so far.Tom A.makes 350,000.00 per annum.Your opinion of this 1%er is what.Is he greedy rich

      • Terry Tree Tree

        With your ‘proven math skills’ of previous comments, I won’t expect an accurate count.  You have been off by a zillion, MANY times?

        • Modavations

          Your being reserved today.Keep up the good work.If you listened on Fri.or Thurs.,Tom A.used zillions.It’s what we  call a litereary device.Some else explain this to TTT,I’ve done it a zillion times

  • Anonymous

    I have had difficulty getting a straight answer to these practical questions from those who would make abortion illegal and therefore a crime:

    1.  Under your law would anyone who gets or aids an abortion be a premeditated murderer and sentenced to life in prison?  If not, why not?

    2.  Would miscarriages be investigated the same way the death of a 1-year old child would be?  If not, why not?

    Can anyone of that belief on here provide me their view about how things would actually be done if they had their way?

    • Ray in VT

      One question that I had about the Personhood movement would be would smoking or drinking during pregnancy, given the known harm that it can do, be made illegal as some form of child abuse?

    • Anonymous

      Apparently not.

  • IWill Thrive1

    This debate has always perplexed me in that it’s so focused on FOR and AGAINST.  All that passion and energy (and money and time) put toward the fight.  The issue of abortion needs to be addressed from the point of view of “how things are”, not “how things should be.”  

    Unwanted pregnancy happens – fact.  Women will continue to seek out abortions – fact.  Shall we return to the days of back-alley abortions, illness, butchered insides, death, private fear and shame?   I’m not well-versed in the statistics, but I have a hunch that the same people who so vehemently want to end this safe, medical, monitored procedure are the same people who want to cut funding to social services and financial help to those who don’t have enough of their own family and community support.  So in a nutshell — let’s force women to have children but give them no support…yes, that’s ensuring a “right to a life” filled with many odd against you.  Abuse, poverty – the formula is well known.  You can’t have both, people, you can’t make it go away by making it illegal.

    I wish all that fightin’ money and time could be put toward managing the problem rather than trying to wish it away with laws, ie:  pregnancy prevention education, guidance and access to adoption services, single parent support groups and resources,  review the laws around the “window of time” for getting an abortion, etc.

    Government is there to help us manage our society, distribute the services, and address the needs of the people.  People (women) get pregnant, fathers and families often turns their backs on the woman – this is not rare.  Put something in place to address this.  These children born into these circumstances will one day be adults and playing a role in our society — they will be our neighbors, perhaps our co-workers — how “we” treat “them” early in life could dictate how “they” treat “us” later in life.  Are we fostering an interwoven community that takes care of all parts of itself…or a divided people who will combat each other? The children will STILL be lost in that battle.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      EXCELLENT!

    • http://twitter.com/MaryRNretired Mary LaFrancis RN re

      Roe V Wade, Planned Parenthood HAVE NOT MADE ABORTION SAFER OR RARER!

      • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

        …. because the forced-birthers have done their best with RW legislation, violence, intimidation, and murder to this LEGAL procedure impossible to get. 

        Your disingenuous comment reminds me of the German who complained that he just can’t get a good bagel in Berlin anymore.

        • EJ

          Nazi reference….yawn!

  • Joan

    This is more social engineering by Right Wing Extremists –it
    seems to me. I am so glad Susan Komen’s group was called
    out. 

    I feel she is lying when she says her group will “never” submit to politics when it seems to me Planned Parenthood was origin-ally called out by her group because it was “under Federal in-vestigation.” People aren’t fools –especially other women –who run households every day and are often responsible for
    the checks and balances…Joan 

    • EJ

      Left wing extremists are the ones making a $700,000 grant from Komen on a Planned Parenthood $1B budget such a media storm.  

      After following this thread and following this story, it is obvious that Planned Parenthood had tremendous animosity to Komen well before this recent fallout.  Read the thread and what begins to emerge is a lot of hostility towards Komen’s success.  I think the Planned Parenthood crowd is envious of Komen’s reputation and success.  Komen is mainstream and PP continues to be controversial.  PP wants to be about woman’s health but is positioned as an abortion provider.

      Planned Parenthood and their media tactics over the past few days has really hurt and tarnished the reputation of Komen.  They have dragged Komen into the abortion debates and likely dealt a real financial blow to Komen.  Woman’s health and funding for breast cancer programs will suffer.  I hope PP is happy.

  • Modavations

    i saw the lady from Roe vs. Wade on C-Span last year.She said she wishes she’d never been involved.Something to do with Karma

    • Ray in VT

      Unintended consequences, right?  Bull (moose even) and everything else aside, what’s your view on the pro-life/pro-choice debate.  Is it anything that’s big for you in terms of an issue.

      • Modavations

        I’m with Bill Cosby,abort till 18yrs. old.In reality,I’m only against Late Term unless the moma is endangered or the kid is f-cked up

        • Ray in VT

          I don’t know the Cosby reference.  Is it something from an old bit?  I mostly know him as Dr. Huxtable and as an advocate for pudding pops, and did you mean for not against?

          • Modavations

            Yes,yes.20 years ago in a skit.They asked him how long is permissible to abort.His reply was till age 18(referring to his own kids)

          • Ray in VT

            Cosby says the darndest things.  Get down, get down, jive turkey (from Let’s Do It Again)

  • Ed

    The Nazis got work for people.

    • Ray in VT

      Why do people always have to play the Nazi card?  At least play it a few hands in.  It’s bad strategy to lead with it.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Catholics helped them a lot, in their extermination of Jews, for the art works and other riches of the Jewish VICTIMS?

      • Modavations

        Ah yes,the cocktails

  • Ron Gaykema

    What is going on? Simple. Politics of power and control. The GOP is now dominated by those who declare all women’s wombs disowned by the women themselves and siege the wombs as they own it. Disgusting. And sme even dare to claim that contraceptives should be banned. Small government? My nose.  GOP stands for the most intrusive and controlling form, like a narcissistic borderline personality cult.

  • JohnInSC

    Bucky (and maybe others; I didn’t see them) has a point re: Karen Handel’s presence at Komen.  Check out this op-ed piece from NY Times, and note especially the final paragraph.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/opinion/a-painful-betrayal.html?_r=1&scp=10&sq=planned%20parenthood&st=cse

    At last, an
    explanation for a very bad decision – or at least a partial explanation,
    anyway. The larger question is why the foundation board and top
    management allowed it to happen.
    The Komen Foundation needs to
    distance itself from Karen Handel as quickly as possible, before she
    does even more damage. So much for public policy expertise. And a
    shake-up of the rest of management may be called for as well.

  • Modavations

    TTT this is the 4th time I’ve asked(?).Why would someone who obsesses about Pervert Priests,have anything to do with NPR,who cedes an hour every Sunday to the Pervert Priests.Stop dodging AND GIVE US your reasoning.I believe you are very fond(obsessive)of the word Hypocrite.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      1 of 164 hours?  1/164 in NOT even 0.8%?  It’s NOT on my NPR stations, and I did NOT even know?
         Where else could I read about you taking advice from your guppy, and giving advise to celebrities, from your lead and mercury-influenced mind?

      • Modavations

        Ah yes the cocktails have done their work.I’m sure if we go up and down the forum in the 10:00-12:00 PM hrs Terry will be spraying  innanities like a Tom Cat marking territories.No intellectual points,just innanities.I am proud of you though.In the course of a normal day you’d have called me guppy,mercury,lead,liar,fraud,zillions,bc idiot 50 times.Today you’ve limited yourself to 5 or 6 stalks.By the way how’s your Poddle, Mr.Red Dragon.You and Ultrax arn’t roommates are you?

  • http://twitter.com/MaryRNretired Mary LaFrancis RN re

    Good Morning Tom and thank you for your program this fmorning which I caught in the last few minutes.
    I called NPR and shared critical points which I will outline in an email to you as a retired Registered Nurse.
    Komen needs to research and educate on the CAUSES of breast cancer, including CONTRACEPTION AND ABORTION which HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BREAST, LIVER AND OTHER CANCERS!
    The World Health Organization has long since declared ESTROGEN AS A CLASS ONE CARCINOGEN, which is the major component of contraceptives and at it’s highest levels in the first trimesters of pregnancy, especially first pregnancy and at younger ages when the mother’s body is still immature and developing, particularly the breast lobules that will prouce milk for her baby..
    PLANNED PARENTHOOD TARGETS YOUTH AS EVIDENT IN IT’S EXPLICIT AND GRAPHIC TEEN SITES…….LOOK FOR YOURSELF!
    IT’S MAJOR “SERVICE” AND SOURCE OF INCOME IS ABORTION….
    Thank God this controversy is bringing to light the unholy relationship with Komen………
    There are other excellent organizations involve in research and helps such as ABORTION BREAST CANCRER . ORG

    • TFRX

      For someone who has an RN, you really seem out of touch with medicine and politics.

      I pray I never get wheeled in unconscious to you in an ER. Or at least that your God believes in the medicines and treatments my doctor does; otherwise I’m as good as dead.

      • Questioner

        Actually, as a pro-choice person, I must say nurse Mary is not completely wrong.  Epidemiologists and public health people know that synthetic hormonal contraceptives are associated with higher rates of breast cancer, so is use of post-menopausal hormone treatments.  In addition, giving birth early (not too early, as in the teens) and breastfeeding is the strongest factor that is highly correlated with low rates of breast cancer in a population.  Breastfeeding gives approx. 10 years of protection from breast cancer.

        Here is a starter article for you to read, if you care

        http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/content/103/24/1827.full.pdf+html

        If you can’t access it maybe you can buy it find it somewhere else.

        • TFRX

          Thank you for the link. I’m already on top of a lot of that.

          Let me drill down what stuck out for me from the original poster:

          Komen needs to [snip] educate on the CAUSES of breast cancer, including [snip] ABORTION which HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BREAST, LIVER AND OTHER CANCERS!

          PLANNED PARENTHOOD TARGETS YOUTH AS EVIDENT IN IT’S EXPLICIT AND GRAPHIC TEEN SITES [snip] IT’S MAJOR “SERVICE” AND SOURCE OF INCOME IS ABORTION

          To clarify, I mentioned “medicine and politics” for these two specifics. I and you and everyone can take our epidemiology and public health without the bilgewater referred to above.

    • Questioner

      Nurse Mary, what you are saying is that both estrogen in contraceptives (which is synthetic) and estrogen which is always in a woman’s body (which is natural), is carcinogenic.  So what you are saying is that contraception causes breast cancer and being pregnant at a young age causes cancers.  So the healthy thing to do is to not get pregnant at a young age and not use hormonal contraceptives.  So then the logical conclusion is that, since people (young and not so young) will have sex when they don’t want children, the should use a barrier method and not use hormonal contraceptives (spermicides put the user at higher risk for sti’s).

  • Mimjig

    I would guess Planned Parenthood performs the most abortions because there is no government funding and many other providers haves been run out of town. It’s the only choice for many women. I also don’t understand why people get to decide to forbid the use of taxpayer money for a legal medical procedure but we don’t get to decide not to spend on wars or bridges to nowhere or other government sponsored activities with which we disagree.

    • Anonymous

      Run out of town or MURDERED by Pro-Lifers…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Komen is the problem one of those Organization who makes money by using people with Cancer to make money.
     
    Yes they donate money for mammo’s and other medical experiment but do they Actually looking for the cure for cancers.

  • Anne Saunier

    To read the reaction to the Komen decision as overwhelming support for choice is an over reach.  PP has served women for decades– millions of them, maybe as many as 20% of American women have had at least one service from PP.  When any service from PP is threatened, these loyal former patients rise up to defend PP and its ability to maintain services because these women know PP was there for them when they needed it.  It is the commitment to essential access to services that drove the response, more than support for abortion per se.

    • TFRX

      Only 20%, but let’s unpack that:

      Consider how many places PP has been “community valued” or “crosshaired” out of existence in, I’d say PP serves well over 20% of American women in places where it is an option.

      • Anne Saunier

        agree! It is a wonderful organization and I will continue to support it.  I will not support Komen any longer but, as a survivor, find other organizations to support.

  • Modavations

    TTT for the 5th time,seeing as hypocrite is requisite in each of your posts,why do you have anything to do with NPR.They afford a platform to the Perverted Priests.I’m growing a beard waiting for your reply.

  • Sue Baxter

    As a long time supporter of both organizations, I definitely will cease my support of the Komen organization and continue with increased support for Planned Parenthood.  The work of Planned Parenthood is incredibly important for Alaskan women.  They provide wellness care that is supplied by no one else.  In Alaska, they provide breast care for most women below the regular mamogram age.  They provide referrals that will allow for breast issues to be investigated.  I fall strongly on the Planned Parent side of this arguement.

  • Modavations

    Terry,Terry,Terry…..All I’m hearing is crickets.What in your opinion does hypocrite mean?

    • Diane

      Means people who would protect a fertilized egg, denying the bearer her constitutional rights while cutting funding for all services for children: education funding, school lunches, heat for the poor, food stamps…   (do the names Gingrich and Romney come to mind?).  If that isn’t hypocrisy – but gee, the right gives us daily examples.

  • TomK in Boston

    Komen has done a lot of good, but big foundations are big business and have a lot in common with our other corporate overlords. In this case Komen has revealed a far right bias in the executive suite which should have been kept secret, but apparently wingnut Handel would not be restrained:

    “Karen Handel was the prime instigator of this effort, and she herself personally came up with investigation criteria,” the source, who requested anonymity for professional reasons, told HuffPost. “She said, ‘If we just say it’s about investigations, we can defund Planned Parenthood and no one can blame us for being political.’”"

    Is anyone naive enough to believe that is is just a coincidence that Komen goes after PP right after Handel, a rabid goverment-control freak, joins the board? Get serious, all their spin is nothing but LIES.

    President is a former bush ambassador, a job that requires massive campaign contributions, they bring on this righty georgia pol Handel, and now they got neocon Fleischer as their spin doctor. K’mon, Komen, are you a non-political philanthropy  or a partisan organization providing big salaries to righty women?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/buttereye Carol Southern

    I have now lost all respect for Komen, & will never support them again.

  • Sue

    when are Americans going to respect a woman’s privacy and her right to have access to safe medical care? No one gets an abortion for the fun of it- and sadly the same people who claim to be anti abortion are often anti contraception (aka Catholic Bishops) and too often they are men who will never face a dangerous unplanned pregnancy. If you want to stop abortions, support contraception and Planned Parenthood- that’s the whole point- planning parenthood. Komen spends an enormous amount of their funds on administrative salaries- it’s great they have increased awareness but I will be donating to PP and groups that spend their money on women, not publicity.

    • EJ

      I wish I could respect a woman’s privacy but when we are continually required to fund abortions through tax payers dollars, it really is not “private” any more.  Planned Parenthood is first and foremost a eugenics organization and not exclusively about “woman’s health”.  I would suggest you read an excellent book on this subject called “Unnatural Selection” by the Asian Editor of Science Magazine.  

      • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

        We are “forced” to fund a lot of things with our taxes that some of us don’t like, EJ. I didn’t see the wingnut right howling over funding Bush’s war of choice. As for the rest of your statement, I suggest you read this excellent, scholarly article on the actual origins of PP: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/New_Yorker_Birthright.pdf

        Sanger was a eugenicist. So were a lot of other people of that time. She was also a feminist, and eugenics was not the reason she founded PP–it was because how appalled she was at the plight of poor women who had no access to birth control information.

        As for women’s privacy, this sentence in the article above says it all: “If a fertilized egg has constitutional rights, women cannot have equal rights with men.”

        That tells me all I need to know about why once they have managed to make access to abortion impossible, the RW will next go after contraception.

        • Gregg

          Check the Constitution for funding abortions and then check for the authority to fight wars. One’s missing. 

          • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

            That’s a nonsense reply, Gregg. One may as well argue that because the Constitution doesn’t specify that women are persons that they are in fact not. (Although I get the feeling forced-birthers would approve of that).

          • Gregg

            The Constitution spells out what Government is authorized to do. Wars are written in. Funding abortion is not.

          • Diane

            And how many women were involved in writing that document?  When women weren’t even allowed to vote and slaves counted as property?  But by golly, they were into wars, weren’t they?  Not much has changed, I see.

          • EJ

            Actually a lot has changed.  White men made the decision to expand citizenship to slaves.  Land owning Men voted to expand voting rights to all men and then to woman.  It is you, however, that it is quick to deny the unborn their humanity.  Why?

        • EJ

          Excellent, scholarly?  It was written by Planned Parenthood!!!  Biased much?  It’s like all these studies on the subject funded by Guttmacher Institute.  What a joke.

          Again, I would suggest that a very scholarly work on the current eugenics efforts of Planned Parenthood particularly in gender-based abortions in Asia is “Unnatural Selection” by Mara Hvistendahl. Ms. Hvistendahl is the Asian Editor for Science Magazine.  

          • Modavations

            Ms Sanger,beloved of the left,taught Herr Mengele all her nasty tricks

          • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

            And another Nazi reference. Yawn…

          • Diane

            Like many Americans of her day, threatened by wave after wave of immigrants who weren’t as light-skinned as others, Sanger was involved in the eugenics movement.  However, her concern for birth control has nothing to do with eugenics.  Using your logic, even after we’ve topped the 7 billion mark and are moving forward to 12 billion humans on the limited planet, you’d deny women birth control because it looks like eugenics to you?  I’d call it the survival of the species myself.

          • EJ

            “The Population Bomb” book by Paul Erlich (1968) had us all starving and eating each other at about the 5 billion mark.  These are tired arguments.  And BTW, who is talking about birth control?  This is about Komen ending a $700,000 grant to PP which has a $1B budget.

          • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

            Your spam comment is no more compelling now than when you first posted it six hours ago, EJ.

          • EJ

            So using your logic, for woman to have equal rights, they must strip all and any rights to unborn children.  Is that correct?  How far are you willing to push that argument?

          • TomK in Boston

            I go by the laws of the USA, EJ, not your laws. Who put you in charge? If you oppose abortion, don’t have one.

            I hope your concern about misuse of gvt funds extends to promoting religion, like prayer in school etc.

          • EJ

            Yes, I do oppose prayer in school or promoting religion in the public square.  

            Your logic that if you do not believe in abortion, don’t have one is the same logic the Southern Slave owners used. If you do not believe in slavery, don’t own one.  

          • Anonymous

            How far are YOU willing to go to push your concern for the unborn?
            Oh yeah…right up until the day of delivery.

          • EJ

            Again,  a tired stereotype of those who disagree with you.  

          • Anonymous

            Some stereotypes have been debunked, but not this one. Look it up.

          • Diane

            It seems, EJ, that you miss the subtlety here.  Human eggs get fertilized in a woman’s body, with her consent or without it or knowledge.  She is a human being, a citizen of the United States, probably a taxpayer, and if not maybe because she’s too young to be one and was raped by “Uncle Dan”.  Yet you would provide that fertilized egg more rights than she has?  Why are you so anti-female?

          • EJ

            Gee, I guess “Uncle Dan” is pretty busy as PP alone does over 300,000 abortions a year.  There are existing exceptions for rape, incest and threatened life, so why are your arguments centered on those extreme examples?  “Unnatural Selection” a book by Mara Hvistendahl estimates there have been 162 million girls aborted in China under the support of Planned Parenthood.  I guess Uncle Dan is really busy over there.

          • Modavations

            Democrats give us the War on Poverty and the black out of wedlock rate goes to 30%.Today it’s 70%.In the ghettos it’s 90%.80% of PP business is in the ghetto.In typical fashion the left creates the problem then affords the solution!!!!What a solution.PP did 164 million in abortion bizz last year. Man talk about some bad karma.

          • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

            Knee-jerk much? EJ, look past the URL. It’s a New Yorker article that PP reposted. FAIL

      • TomK in Boston

        Interesting logic. You personally oppose abortion, and thus conclude that a procedure that is legal in the USA should not be funded by USA taxpayers, including those who have no problem with it. Who are you, the King? 

        I wish I could micromanage where my taxes went. There would be a hell of a lot more domestic spending and a hell of a lot less offense spending.

        • http://twitter.com/Sharoney Sharoney

          EJ has spammed this entire page with that comment. Don’t expect a response from him.

          • EJ

            What comment have I spammed?  I think people should know the truth about Planned Parenthood.  They spend a lot of time and money in Asia on gender-based abortions.  Unnatural Selection is a very recently published book on this subject. 

          • TPoster

            Just because someone puts out a book doesn’t mean it’s true.

          • EJ

            Here is NPR’s review of Unnatural Selection…
            http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/06/08/gender-selection.  I think you will find the book quite enlightening about Planned Parenthood’s role in the current sex selection crisis in Asia.

        • Anonymous

          I agree TK

          “Oh, look Honey…Another Pro-Lifer for war…”

      • Roy Mac

        Tax payer dollars are used to subsidize superstitions–the Catholic church, just as an example.  People who insist that their superstitutions supercede the rights of real human beings are not to be taken seriously in a civilized society.  That, btw, would be you.

        • EJ

          Gee, Roy.  I am an athiest.  Can I now be taken seriously? 

          Maybe your so close minded as to assume that a clear headed thinking person could not come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with abortion.  I worked in a hospital for years and unfortunately, participated in performing abortions.  Through that experience, I have come to the conclusion that abortion is ending the life of a human being.

          So actually, I am interested in the rights of human beings.  All human beings.  It is not me who arbitrarily decides who is a human being and who is not.  I think that would be the abortionist’s job.

          • VermonterFirst

            And were you there before and after those abortions?  Did you bother to find out why the abortion was urgent?  Did you find out the woman’s circumstances?  Of course not.  Nor should you have.  Therefore, your being present for them is only one tiny part of the whole picture.  You’ve probably heard that “walk another [wo]man’s shoes…” thing, right?  I’ll throw this one in, too:”Judge not lest you be judged.” 

          • EJ

            Jumping to conclusions Diane?  Why would you assume that I dropped my humanity at the door?  Why is it so hard for you to believe that a thinking person could actually come to conclusion that all of us, including those of us not yet born are all members of the human family.  All of came into human life the same way and that all of our paths are equal.  I think your post displays a bit of judgement of me.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        WHAT do you propose to do with rapists, and incestuous males?   When a girl says NO, it’s rape!
          One guy can rape how many girls?  Get how many girls pregnant?  Walk away?

      • Anonymous

        “Oh, look Honey…Another Pro-Lifer for war…”

        (bumper-sticker making a come-back)

        • EJ

          Obviously when you have no solid argument, you are reduced to sweeping gross generalizations about anyone who may disagree with you.

          I had prepared an equally disgusting, response reducing all pro-abortion types to a stereotype but decided instead to take the high ground.

          • Anonymous

            You mean the Self-Righteous ground, don’t you? Prove me wrong about the hypocritical connection between being pro-life and pro-war…show me the stats YOU have…

          • EJ

            There is no connection!  That is a typical lefty caricature of the right.  I am anti-war, anti-gun, anti-death penalty. I have no religion and yes, I have come to the conclusion that unborn children are members of the human family and should be respected.

            My opinions of Planned Parenthood have been derived from two books I was introduced to through NPR. The best one is called Unnatural Selection by Mara Hvistendahl.  The other is a History of Planned Parenthood and its founder Margaret Sanger by Harvard Professor Jill Lepore.

      • VermonterFirst

        Wow!  What ignorance!  First of all, NO US taxpayer money supports abortion anywhere.  It is illegal and has been since the 70s. Get your facts.  Eugenics?  Is that what they called it before Roe v. Wade when rich women who “made a mistake” went to Mexico ( a Catholic country,btw) for their abortions, while the poor woman married to a brute had one baby after another because she had no options?
        Last, we don’t live in China; we just use their money for wars.

        • EJ

          I am the ignorant one? 

          From a pro-choice website on US government funding of abortion.

          http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/public_funding.html 

          Eugenics?  Look up the definition Diane. 

          PS

          I am not a member of any religion.  Why do you try and smear and stereotype anyone who thinks differently than you?  I am beginning to believe that the most intolerant people in the world are you pro-abortion fanatics.

  • Sofi

    The whole focus of the discussion is misplaced.  There are already controls in place to make sure funds used for abortion are separate from others, due to government funding. 

    The money in question – Komen’s grants – is earmarked for breast cancer screening.  So what’s the problem? 

    If Komen chooses not to fund any organization that makes abortion possible, there will be others removed from their lists. 

  • Sy2502

    So, women who don’t go to PP for abortions, who maybe are themselves opposed to abortion, but have to use PP for their health, won’t get any help because the people who could help them just can’t get past these other few women, completely unrelated to the first group, who go to PP for abortions. Makes sense… not really, no.

  • Kathleen Walsh RN

    Currently I am listening to your pre-reorded 2/6/12 program on WBEZ, Chicago Public Radio.  I continue to find it very strange that the hefty rejection of abortion – in any circumstance – always fails to mention miscarriage.  If one follows the logic of selective abortion in relation to miscarriage, then God/Nature is/are abortionists.  That comparison should show the kind of clarity that would bring some sanity to this difficult issue.  What is also missing in those who speak from a religious point of view-or reject abortion on some political stance- is the humanity of the pregnant girl/woman.  Her humanity, her reality simply disappears in the exchange..except when it comes to blame.  ”She should have said no.”  ”She should have kept her legs together.”  Tell that to some young girl who has been seduced or raped by a relative or a boy/man much stronger than she.  Further, the society continues to ‘peddle’ females as servants and pleasure sources for males.  Explain 5 or 6″ high heeled shoes – for example.  Think about it.  Years ago, we called such shoes CFM Shoes.  Need a translation?  Let us all work to decrease the number of abortion in a respectful and common sense way.  Provide genuine services, support and respect for girls and women.  That will provide a reduction in abortions and an improvement in our increasingly dangerous society.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Right On!  Kathleen! 

    • notafeminista

      Why the rush to portray women as victims?  The whole idea here is that women can have the same accountability as men are presumed to have for an unwanted pregnancy (as in none).  If he should have kept his penis to himself, then she should have kept her legs closed, no?

      Equality is a tricky thing.

      • VermonterFirst

        Tell that to the woman who finds herself married to an abusive husband.  It happens.  Just because it hasn’t happened to you, doesn’t mean that sometimes women find themselves pregnant, and for a wide variety of reasons, not able to provide adequate support for a child.  I know of one woman who had seven kids and ended up in the hospital after one particularly brutal beating by her alcoholic husband.  Her priest told her it was God’s will to stick it out with him.  That’s when she left him – and the Church. 

    • VermonterFirst

      Very wise response.  Apparently you haven’t noticed, though, that the very forces out to end all abortion also want to end birth control. In sum, it’s not about “the baby” or “the woman”; it’s about who’s in charge.  Pregnant women find themselves suddenly very vulnerable, abusable, and  very controllable.  Women in charge of their own fecundity are a threat to the patriarchy. 

  • Modavations

    After a day of you mini fascisti shootring arrows at me,I look like a friggin porcupine,but that’s nothing compared to the assault by my own mates.I have 12 e-mails calling Boston a city of pansy’s poofs,etc,.I’ve even been ridiculed by pals in Belgium and Italy.It’s a sad day in Patriots country.I haven’t even heard from the guys on the Left Coast!!!

    • Ray in VT

      Ask the Belgians how many Super Bowls NFL Europe could have won.

      • Modavations

        These guys have all lived in the US and are fully aware of what goes on.I get more objective news from the UK press then the US press

      • Modavations

        Any resort bar in Mexico will be wall to wall superbowl ,to boot.Of course you guys in Johnson are soooo worldly.

      • Modavations

        Mean Streets really doesn’t have it all that bad.He could be living in Hardwick!!!!

        • Ray in VT

          We had a good thing going there for a while, huh?  I’m just sticking up for my teams.  I didn’t take too kindly last summer to some French Canadians trashing the Bruins right in North Station.  It’d be like taking flack from some Argonaut fans today.

          It’s worldly enough.  It’s got a Chinese and a Mexican place now.  It’s becoming very cosmopolitan.  Hardwick is “the town that food saved”.  It’s not too bad out there.  Property’s cheap.  At least it’s not Montgomery or Enosburg.

          I’ve always found it very interesting to hear U.S. news and politics as covered by overseas news agencies.

          • Ray in VT

             I meant the Alouettes, but close enough.

          • Modavations

            Sorry,sorry,I thought you were being snarky.We used to raid the talc,Asbestos mines up in Eden.They got wise to us.Used to get a lovely light green,serpentine stone.I never did run tests to see what it was.Now back to the important stuff….Antique Road Show

          • Ray in VT

             That’s okay.  We trade a lot of snark, so it’s understandable.  You can still see the slag pile from miles away.  One of my old neighbors used to work in the mines before taking a bad fall there and ending up in traction.

  • Modavations

    Didn’t Catholic Charities of Boston go out of business when told they must place adoption kids ,with homosexuals.Have we now retreated from seperation of church and state.Catholic hospitals  must now provide all the repro services

    • Anonymous

      Churches are still exempt.  If they want to offer other services, they have to follow the same rules as everyone else. 

    • VermonterFirst

      Can’t swear to it, but I’d bet that the Catholic hospitals get some funding from taxpayer sources, federal and state.  They undoubtedly are exempt from property taxes.  Why should they have it both ways?  If they really want separation of church and state, let them pay taxes like everybody else, and let them also refuse any federal and state funding.  I won’t wait around for that to happen, though.  That churches are exempt from taxes but absolutely DO involve themselves in any number of political issues, including abortion, birth control, and most egregiously candidates for poloitical office ought to deny them tax-free exemptions.

  • Montciel

    If Komen were really concerned about women’s cancer, it would take on ovarian cancer. Thanks to the attention brought to breast cancer by many, including Komen, breast cancer patients have extremely high survival rates. 98% live to 5 years, after which they are considered “cured.” Ovarian cancer patients rarely live. 15-20% of them live to 5 years, in fact, most only to 2 years. Why? Because it is not caught early enough.

    Isn’t it time to put the focus elsewhere? At the very least, alert women to report their symptoms earlier.

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  • Tatoonie

    I find the URL to this great broadcast mis-categorized and perhaps misleading. Seriously, “abortion-fight”? Why not “komen-funding-shuffle” or almost anything else? 

    • Modavations

      Any relation to Boston’s Aunt Zatoonie

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  • Smw380

    You should be clear that Komen hasn’t reversed it’s decisions, they’ve only said that PP is welcome to apply for grants next  year, they haven’t committed to give them any funding. It’s really not a reversal at all!!!

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  • Jerseygirl1929

    One big reason the Komen Foundation should not fund Planned Parenthood – women that have had an abortion have a significantly higher risk for developing breast cancer.

    • Ray in VT

      From the American Cancer Society’s website:

      “But scientific research studies have not found a cause-and-effect relationship between abortion and breast cancer.”

      Analysis of “the largest, and probably the most reliable, study on this topic”, also from the American Cancer Society:

      “After adjusting for known breast cancer risk factors, the researchers
      found that induced abortion(s) had no overall effect on the risk of
      breast cancer.”

      • Modavations

        The Doc told my ex to knock off birth control pills in her 30′s.Estrogen and all that.Check other websites for link between cancers and abortion.Many think there is a link.

        • Ray in VT

          Do you mind if I ask how long ago that was?  I’m not being nosy.  I’m just looking for some context.  I’ll understand if you don’t answer that one.  It is a bit personal after all.

          The link that I’ve seen a couple of people throw around today is for this abortionbreastcancer.com.  I tend to shy away from .coms.  Anyways, they cite some info from the Lancet from 1986 that says there’s a link, but a 2004 Lancet piece says that there isn’t, and the medical association that they cite on the landing page I’d call questionable in terms of objectivity, but that’s my opinion, and I know what you tend to think of my opinions.

          Anyways, there’s my skepticism regarding what I’ve seen people cite today.  Recent JAMA articles say no.

          • Modavations

            Raymondo,probably in mid 1980s.Don’t get confused though.This was about birth control pills,not abortion

          • Ray in VT

            Yeah, I know.  It was still a bit of a personal question, though.  I think that the estrogen issue was also raised yesterday in a story about Plan B, but I might be wrong about that.

        • VermonterFirst

          Thinking isn’t proof.  Your doctor was rightfully concerned about estrogens.  Now how would you have felt if she’d had a seriously dangerous pregnancy and/or a seriously deformed fetus because she couldn’t take the available birth control pills?

    • VermonterFirst

      What an ignorant, arrogant statement!  Women who have had an abortion, who may, according to you, have a higher risk of breast cancer, are precisely the women who need screenings.  Who are you to judge why they had an abortion and therefore may be punished by you with a potential death sentence?? 

      And, Jesery 1929, you should know that before you were born abortion was relatively easily come by in this country, and a New York abortion provider, female, made enough money providing them to lie rather comfortably in a mansion.  This “pro-life” movement got its steam when women began to demand equal rights, especially rights over their own bodies.

  • Eve Ellis

    I’m a former board member of Komen NYC. Komen National needs to clean its house to regain my trust.
    1. Nancy Brinker needs to resign.
    2. Karen Handel needs to be terminated.
    3. The Komen National board needs to be replaced.
    Komen is the #1 breast cancer organization by a long shot funding both research and screening for underserved women. It would take ages for another organization to ramp up to replace the infrastructure that Komen has built.  To regain its position, Komen needs to clean house.

    • Diane

      You certainly know more than most people posting here.  I believe what Planned Parenthood DOES do is to provide the service that it seems Komen is most involved with: breast cancer screenings, especially for those too poor and/or uninsured to pay for them. To defund them is positively silly and to equate PP automatically with abortion when the funds are clearly earmarked for screenings is just another right wing attempt to limit women’s health options.  What does the right wing have against more than 50% of the American population?  I.E. women?

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  • RichardNYC

    No other proof of Komen’s political agenda is needed than their bogus initial excuse that they could not fund an organization under congressional investigation, when they know full well it is a Republican-led witch-hunt limited to the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, where they hold the committee chairmanships.  Brinker and Handel must go, to help put Komen back on the right track.

  • Margotshaw

    First, free a market works; if the way breast cancer awareness, research and screening/treatment programs needs to break into segments that allow people to give how they want then it will happen. Now people may have to understand that breaking the organization up will mean wasted dollars. Second, I prefer to donate to well run organizations. I can bet you no marketing analysis was done to determine the cost of this decision; the money lost vs gained. More over that would be the defining criteria for determining whether or not this was political. It has to be one or the other ; a financial move or an emotional political decision based on personal beliefs. Third- as to getting women without insurance mammograms I have to ask then what? Without insurance what can you do?

  • Modavations

    With heavy heart I bring you fscisti more bad news.Finland,by almost 2 to one ,has elected a right winger to the presidency.This ends 50 years of Leftist control.Only Greece and the United States coasts remain under occupation.Vive la revolution.

    • Moses

      Ugh…

      • Modavations

        What in the world are you “liking”.You mean Ugh????

  • Sagar

    Susan Komen foundation fiasco points how charity does not come with any guarantees and can be pulled at any time. Government funds are the only guarantor of constitutional rights.

    • Gregg

       Ugh…

  • EJ

    Planned Parenthood’s annual budget is roughly $1B.  The grant from Komen was about $700,000 to support breast cancer screenings.  A rounding error for PP.  Why would PP drag Komen, an organization that has been very successful in support of woman, through the mud like this over $700,000? Komen’s reputation is forever tarnished and Planned Parenthood  masterminded this entire media frenzy.  

    The lesson here is do not mess with the abortion crowd…they will kill you!

    If you really want to understand Planned Parenthood and their motives, may I suggest “Unnatural Selection” by Mara Hvistendahl.  Ms. Hvistendahl is the Asia Editor for Science Magazine. 

    • TFRX

      Drag Komen through the mud? When Komen hired a Bush flack and a Tea Party candidate, Komen dove into the mud headfirst.

      Stop trying to pretend the hurt fee-fees.

  • Diostronies

    What bothers me the most about all of this religious activisim is that the government is allowing people to pick and choose what their taxes can be used for. First of all this has no biblical basis. Jesus said pay (to the romans – pagans) the tax. No withholding because they would use it (eventually even to tear down the temple in jerusalem) Second, the rest of us are not able to prevent the government from using our taxes for things that we concientiously object to like war. Unfair application of the law in this case is merely the establishment of so called christan but no less than sharea law.

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  • notafeminista

    Speaking of controlling women, why is everyone so hot to control the women who run the Komen Foundation? 

    • Modavations

      Typical totalitarian tactics.You can’t say that,you can’t do that

      • Ray in VT

        I don’t think that it is necessarily about controlling the women at Komen.  The concern that pro-choice people seem to be raising is that they are viewing some of these individuals as inserting a partisan, political, pro-life agenda or stance into the women’s health work that Komen is doing.

        • notafeminista

          Which is as a privately funded organization full of people with Constiutional rights they are allowed to do, no?

          I’d rather have the Komens “on my side” than Planned Parenthood.   This is about politics, but not the politics of women’s health.  It’s about the credibility that little pink ribbon gives Planned Parenthood.

          • Ray in VT

            Yup.  They’ve got the right to do in their foundation what falls in their mission.  With this move, though, they obviously have made a move that has really ticked off some of their donors.  Last week it looked like both groups actually saw their donations go up.  I don’t know what those figures look like this week.

            I’m not picking any “side” here, but I do have my ear to the ground regarding the constant drumbeat of pressure from the political right against an organization that provides legal services in the country, which, from time to time, my wife has visited.  I have a generally favorable view of both organizations, pink KFC buckets aside.

          • notafeminista

            Funny, I hear the same drumbeat only its from the left demanding they get their way every time, and when they do not, resort to passive aggressive tactics against those whom dare disagree.

          • Anonymous

            Better than MURDERING doctors and BOMBING clinics!

          • Ray in VT

            And how many on the left are demanding the right to be able to go into a doctor’s office, either physically or legally, and proscribe what reproductive options are on the table for a woman and her doctor?  There may be a reason that people who are pro-choice are up in arms over this newest possible front in the battle in the country to decide who gets to control women’s bodies.

          • Modavations

            Careful Raymundo.That lady can kick both are ass-s at the same time

          • AJT618

            Why shouldn’t people be aggressive when it comes to the money they donate?  I want to know where my donated money goes and I want it to go to a place that supports my values.  If the conservatives wanted to get their way more often, then they should donate more money.

      • BradTX

        Yes, why do conservatives continue to try and reign in free speech, free press, and privacy?

        • notafeminista

          It ain’t the conservatives trying to shut down the Komens.  That’s been well established.  It is the enlightened, educated, tolerant crew who has decided to dictate where Komen will or won’t put their money.  THEIR money mind you.  

          Man I love the lefties.

          • Ray in VT

            In terms of the donors who have been angered by this move, some of it is their money, and I don’t see anyone trying to shut down Komen.  Komen could easily avoid any controversy about what they do with their money by ceasing to take donations from the public.  That way they do not have to be accountable to the public.  I think that that route is not feasible or desirable, considering the good work that they perform with donations from the public.

          • AJT618

            It’s not their money.  It’s my and all other donors’ money.  We gave it to them.

          • notafeminista

            It is their money.  You gave it to them..freely and willingly.

          • Anonymous

            And if they want more inthe future, they need to listen to their donors. 

  • mdb

    Komen is essentially silent on environmental and occupational factors in cancer rates. Perhaps because pink-washing means that a lot of green gets generated?

    There are alternatives. Check out Breast Cancer Action at bcaction.org. 

  • BradTX

    I’m against abortion, but for the right of women to be the one’s who decide whether or not to have one. Most women choose to have a baby, but in America, they are the one’s who have that right to decide, not the government. 

  • AJT618

    I’m confused about the current state of Komen donations to planned parenthood.  Will you clarify that in the show?

  • Anon

    17% of funding goes to research? The Komen Foundation has no right to pass judgement to anyone else when they clearly aren’t in the business of fighting against the very thing they claim they’re against.

  • Modavations

    LBJ gives us the war on poverty.The out of wedlock birthrate among blacks pops to 30%(from 15%).Today it’s 70% in the general black population and 90% in the ghetto.PP does 80% of it’s abortions(164 million bucks last year.)in the ghetto.Talk about Bad Karma.

        When they got in Dr.Tillers files they found many of the late term abortions were for the woman’s psychological health.Not her physical health,not because of a problem with the kid.Cosmetic surgery,in other words

  • Still Here

    Glad to hear baby killing remains safe.

    • JayB

      Indeed.  While there was actually no change in the number of abortions that occurred once Roe v. Wade became law, there WAS a drastic reduction in the number of women who died from back alley or self-induced abortions.

      Pro-choice IS pro-life.

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  • Brandstad

    No, 98% of Catholics do not use contraception

    The study in question comes from the Guttmacher Institute.   Here’s how they get the result:
    1)      They didn’t count anyone that wasn’t a Catholic woman between the ages of 15-44.  Obviously, that eliminates everyone that might be too old or too young to be having sex.  But, it also eliminates tens of millions of people who are not too old to be having sex.
    2)      They didn’t count anyone who was pregnant.  Obviously, the vast majority of these people were not using contraception.
    3)      They didn’t count anyone who just gave birth.  Obviously, the vast majority of these people were not using contraception.
    4)      They didn’t count anyone who hadn’t had sex in the last three months.  No, this doesn’t just eliminate ugly people.  It eliminates every non-married person who is listening to the Catholic church enough to not have sex outside of marriage.  In other words, the most likely group to be listening to the Catholic church about contraception.
    5)      They didn’t count anyone who was trying to get pregnant, or was indifferent to becoming pregnant.  In other words, they eliminated the single most likely group to avoid contraception.
    6)      They didn’t count anyone who was having sex, trying to avoid pregnancy, but also not using a specific contraception method.  I guess this would be the good ol’ “pull-n-pray”—which, incidentally–isn’t as religious as it sounds.
    7)      Two out of every five women in the survey were so incredibly Catholic that they either attended church services “less than once a month” or “never.”  Never?

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