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Romney wins Florida – dings the poor. Komen breaks ties with Planned Parenthood. Facebook looks for the giant IPO. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Egyptian fans rush into the field following Al-Ahly club soccer match against Al-Masry club at the soccer stadium in Port Said, Egypt Wednesday, Feb. 1, 2012. Dozens of Egyptians were killed Wednesday in violence following a soccer match in Port Said, when fans flooded the field seconds after a match against a rival team was over, Egypt's Health ministry said. (AP)

Egyptian fans rush into the field following Al-Ahly club soccer match against Al-Masry club at the soccer stadium in Port Said, Egypt Wednesday, Feb. 1, 2012. Dozens of Egyptians were killed Wednesday in violence following a soccer match in Port Said, when fans flooded the field seconds after a match against a rival team was over, Egypt's Health ministry said. (AP)

8.3 percent unemployment is the story of the week. Been up so long it looks like down to us. Progress, we hope. And right behind that number this week, a big Mitt Romney win in Florida. Celebration. Then gaffe time again, talking about the poor. Newt Gingrich says he cares about everyone and will fight all the way.

The Susan G. Komen foundation says no more funding to Planned Parenthood. It’s a big deal. Hideous soccer riots in Egypt. They look political. Facebook will go public.

This hour, On Point: our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

John McCormack, staff writer at the Weekly Standard.

Howard Fineman, editorial Director of the AOL Huffington Post Media Group.

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

News Update: Komen Revises Planned Parenthood Funding Decision

The news (see the Washington Post’s report) came in after we taped the show today. We’ll have more on Monday.

From Tom’s Reading List

Wall Street Journal “Facebook Inc. filed for an initial public offering Wednesday that could value the social network between $75 billion and $100 billion, putting the company on track for one of the biggest U.S. stock-market debuts of all time. ”

Al Jazeera “Nearly 10,000 protesters, including sports fans, rallied on Thursday demanding retribution for the deadly violence in Port Said, which most blamed on police inaction.”

Foreign Policy “The evident confusion among senior policy makers in the administration prefigures the administration’s cratering commitment to win the war in Afghanistan. The White House has narrowed its war aims from defeating all threats to only defeating al Qaeda. The Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, testified to Congress this week that the deaths of senior al Qaeda leadership have brought us to a “critical transitional phase for the terrorist threat,” in which the organization has a better than 50 percent probability of fragmenting and becoming incapable of mass-casualty attacks.  “

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  • Roy Mac

    The Susan G Komen foundation has always been about raising money under the guise of good works.  It should have been closed down years ago, and their activities shunned.

  • Yar

    My metaphor for Facebook’s IPO: It is a cut flower.  No matter how pretty the package or vase, it isn’t going to last. 

  • Terry Tree Tree

    It’s uplifting that so many people will risk their lives, and everything else, for freedom, and a better life for their countrymen!
       It’s depressing that so many people lust for power, no matter who they hurt, for how long.
       The losses of potential, due to lust for power, apalls me.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Insider Trading by ‘public servants’, is DISGUSTING!  That was ALREADY illegal!  It was certainly IMMORAL!
       ALL of them need to be exposed, and prosecuted!

    • Hidan

      Interesting that it’s so hard to stop them but was so easy passing bills that strip away Americans civil/legal rights and freedom but stop something that is already illegal for the public oh my.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Planned Parenthood performs so many functions for women, that seem to NOT be available elsewhere!
       The ‘religious’ organizations that have done so much damage to Planned Parenthood, are NOT able to fully replace Planned Parenthood!  They wouldn’t, even if they weren’t so closed-minded, and dictatorial!

  • Roy-in-Boise

    To the Koman Foundation: “Open mouth insert foot.”

    • Gregg

      Komen’s contribtions are up 100% since cutting ties with Planned Parenthood.

      • Hidan

         what??

        • Gregg

          You heard me.

          • Ray in VT

            Donations to Planned Parenthood have also soared since this hit the news.

          • Gregg

            Ironic isn’t it. Here’s a quote from Megan McArdle:
            “If only every culture war issue resulted in both sides vindictively donating to charity.”

            I don’t care, my concern is public funding not private.

          • TFRX

            Figures you’d quote an economic illiterate like McMegan.

          • Gregg

            Only because she’s right.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Too bad the ‘conservative’ ‘Christians’, moral bigots that they are, WEREN’T taking care of the poor women, ALL the time of Planned Parenthood?

  • Gregg

    I thought for sure this week in review would mention “Fast and Furious”. I’d call it journalistic malpractice but On Point has no journalist. Holder will be impeached or resign in disgrace before the subject is addressed and then it will probably be Bush’s fault.

    • Hidan

       NPR reported the openly partisan attacks by republicans the prior day.

      Your analysis  is so out there it amazing if you actually believe it. Others have previously noted this started before Holder took office.

      • Gregg

        On Point has yet to mention it.

        So, it’s Bush’s fault? Lame.

        • Hidan

           Lame response indeed.

          For someone whoses is onpoint daily you seemed to miss this

          http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/11/09/ohio-unions
          C-Segment: Fast And Furious Under Fire

          Will you admit you are wrong?

          • Gregg

            A Wednesday (not week in review) show on Ohio’s union vote with no mention of F&F in the heading piggy backs a video having nothing to do with the subject on the page. Wow, I’m impressed.

            I stand corrected.

          • Hidan

             ”On Point has yet to mention it.”

            It did as you said in the heading,

            “in the heading piggy backs a video” of?

            fast and furious.

          • Gregg

            Are you even aware of the consecutive Friday night document dumps and the revelations thereof? It’s hideous and your condoning it. It deserves a show, or at the very least a segment ion the Friday week in review. Instead we get a video with no commentary totally out of context on a thread with no relation to the subject.

            THAT IS NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OR INFORMING THE UNINFORMED.

          • Hidan

             I don’t condone it.

            So will you admit you were wrong? Clearly it was mention on onpoint at least a video of it and the caption

            “C-Segment: Fast And Furious Under Fire”

            You admit they may or may not have talk about it and your not sure if they did.

          • Gregg

            I said “I stand corrected” you must have missed it. The issue has not been addressed.

          • Anonymous

            Typical 5th grade response, that’s the way he rolls.

          • Gregg

            So as you condone gutting the 2nd amendment resulting in the death of an American and the subsequent blackout by On Point, do you have a point? Do you ever?

          • Anonymous

            What does my comment have to do with the 2nd amendment? You made comments that were about torture. Blackout by OnPoint? What is your point here.
            As to me having a point, that’s rich coming from a guy who does not has about as much command of the facts as a 5th grade kid.

          • Gregg

            Yea, well I know you can’t opt out of Social Security now don’t I?

            F&F is all about the 2nd amendment.

          • Ray in VT

            I thought that it was more about who is the U.S. might be running guns into Mexico.

          • Anonymous

            Your comment was about torture. Not F&F.
            You’re like a 5th grade kind on the playground having an argument. It’s pathetic and sad really.

          • Gregg

            Follow the thread.

        • Hidan

           Link of you saying the below

          http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/11/09/ohio-unions

    • Terry Tree Tree

      It’s reported that they cannot figure out who started the ‘gun-walking program’.
         This NEEDS to be investigated, because it could have been started by someone wanting to arm the drug cartels!  Whichever administration started it, whoever started it, it NEEDS to be investigated, and whoever is responsible should explain how they expected it to work.

  • SteveV

    I listened to some of the “Fast and Furious” hearing yesterday and learned that no-one knows who is responsible, no-one has been held accountable, and this is unlikely to change. Looking at this from a larger perspective we see a mirror of our entire government/political/educational/financial systems.

    • Hidan

       And it’s pretty disgusting to look at.  The whole thing is partisan politics and these guys crying wolf seem not to mind with passing bills restricting American civil freedoms.

      Btw ask if those same folks crying wolf are coming up with restrictions on buying guns and gun mulls to see how much they really care?

  • Hidan

    John McCormack another right wing hack from the debunked openly partisan Weekly standard. According to McCormack Obama will mandate free coverage of abortion an obvious lie but hey it’s the national review.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-will-mandate-free-coverage-abortion-drug-contraception-without-religious-exemption_617361.html

  • Ed

    The Komen Foundation has done great work on raising awareness of, and funding for, breast cancer. And they have a little statement in their rules that they won’t donate to an organization that is under investigation. (Now they shouldn’t have been giving money to Planned P. because their is a possible link between abortion and breast cancer.)

    But in this case the organization that is under investigation (and is anyone concerned as to why they are under investigation?) is Planned P.

    And Planned P. is the sacred cow in our society, the organization that provides abortions.

    Even the venerable Komen Foundation is now being raked over the coals for having acted againt Planned P. It shows how attached out society is to abortion. (Planned P. did 170,000 breast scans last year, a small number because they don’t have equipment, they just refer for screenings. I could do that. Planned P. is a business, they make money, and their product is abortion – see Abby Johnson and other former workers.)

    • Hidan

       Wasn’t the Catholic Church under investigation for their priest touching little children? Maybe that tax free status the church gets can be temp taken away until they arrest and charge all those priest?

    • Newton Whale


      their is a possible link between abortion and breast cancer”
      Your facts are as bad as your grammar:”In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants reviewed existing population-based,clinical, and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer. A summary of their findings can be found in the Summary Report: Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop.” http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/abortion-miscarriage The religious right is all about spreading lies in order to achieve its goals.Never. Ever. Accept what they say as true.

    • Anonymous

      Goose-stepping for the cure.

    • Anonymous

      That’s working out great for the Komen Foundation. People are up in arms about their politically charged stance and the donations to Planned Parenthood is going up in droves as a result. Chew on that a while.

    • Brett

      Planned P. also provides counseling on contraception, counseling about sexually transmitted diseases, and they provide an array of services pertaining to reproductive rights/counseling/treatment, etc. Abortions are but one component of their function…Yeah, Ed, let’s not allow women access to any of those services.

      You are either foolish or disingenuous if you don’t think Komen is making a political statement. For one thing, their story keeps changing as to the reason they can’t provide funds to Planned P (a sure sign of political wrangling).  

    • Brett

      It’s kind of a shame that you believe the Catholic Church is against abortion on moral grounds…it’s really a business proposition. Church-run hospitals/clinics, etc., can not compete effectively in the marketplace if the services they provide are significantly less than their competitors. Working to prevent other hospitals/clinics, etc., from providing more comprehensive services makes Church-run medical facilities better able to stay competitive. 

    • BHA in Vermont

      “Planned P. is a business, they make money, and their product is abortion”
      Keep replaying the pro-life lie.
      Yes, P.P. does do abortions but that is FAR from their primary purpose. It’s PURPOSE is sexual and reproductive health care form women, men and adolescents.

      FACTS from their web site:
      Our Work

      Planned Parenthood health centers focus on prevention: 76 percent of our clients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.

      Planned Parenthood services help prevent more than 584,000 unintended pregnancies each year.

      Planned Parenthood provides nearly 770,000 Pap tests and nearly 750,000 breast exams each year, critical services in detecting cancer.

      Planned Parenthood provides more than four million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.

      Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      The Catholic church has done a GREAT deal of MOLESTING and ABUSING children! 
         Catholics oppose abortion, because they want MORE VICTIMS for the perverted priests?  
        If Catholics CARED about children, they would have NOT CONDONED Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse, for CENTURIES?
         How can self-righteous Catholics say anything against crimes, or sins, when they are CONDONING and SUPPORTING the Abuse and Molesting of defenseless children?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Catholics seem EXTREMELY self-righteous, and HYPOCRITICAL, by NOT FIXING their own church, before trying to DICTATE behavior of others?

  • Ed

    On another front please comment on the firestorm over the attack on religious liberty in the Presidents health care bill absent conscience protections.

    • Hidan

      Than note that the Catholic church is allowed to still lobbying(tax free) after protecting priest that touch little kids.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Real question:
      Do insurance policies provided by the Catholic Church pay for Viagra and similar drugs?

      • TFRX

        Slight pivot: I’m sure you’ve heard about this.

        Coverage for the goose is coverage for the gander.

    • Anonymous

      Ed, would you advocate the excommunication of anyone who uses the forms of birth control that so trouble you in this health care directive?  If not, why not?  Is it a matter of principle?  Or is it a matter of politics?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Ed,  YOUR comment of the ‘religious liberties’, taken on Children, by perverted priests, and the Catholic clergy that perpetuates these crimes?
         You post your self-righteous positions quite often, but have NEVER really addressed the crimes and sins of the Catholic church, as far as I have seen?

  • Hidan

    Oh this is great

    Gregg wrote :

    Gregg 
    I appreciate On Point putting up (slipped it in) the video of Holder’s testimonony on “Fast and Furious”.
    11/09/2011 09:51 PM Now look at his post below Gregg wrote: On Point has yet to mention it.

    So, it’s Bush’s fault? Lame. F

    • Gregg

      It wasn’t mentioned on the show. I listened for it. Maybe I missed it but I don’t think so.

      Have you got any outrage of the issue or just partisan blindness?

      • Hidan

         So now it’s maybe?

        No outrage issues, I’m not pushing the Fast and Furious solely and making it an partisan issue like yourself. Which again this program was started even before Holder took his position.

        I’m far more concern about targeted killing of americans without due process and arresting Americans without charge, torture and Gitmo. Something btw you prob happen to disagree with.

        • Gregg

          Please dude, you’re floundering. This isn’t a partisan issue it’s a national disgrace.

          BTW as an aside there is no torture at Gitmo. I assume you must be talking about the nasal rinses but it didn’t happen at Gitmo. Just another example of the uniformed.

          • Hidan

             Your response just goes to prove my point. You support things that are clearly examples of things that disgrace our  nation. Yet against things bases solely on Partisan  politics

            You assume wrong alot.

            Former guard on Guantanamo ‘torture’

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7821569.stm

            A former guard at the US detention centre at Guantanamo Bay has spoken
            in his first television interview about the brutality he witnessed to
            inmates.

            Chris Arendt told the BBC what he saw amounted to ”torture” and that
            some of his fellow guards were so violent as to be ”psychotic.”

            http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1710491,00.html

            http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-10/news/30613294_1_gitmo-mohammed-al-qahtani-christina-aguilera-music

          • Gregg

            Somebody told somebody it was their opinion what they saw amounted to torture. That’s rich.

          • Hidan

            Somebody=Gitmo Guard
            Somebody else=BBC News

            much better to rely on somebody who say nothing=the National Review and ilk who saw nothing right?

          • Gregg

            Sleep deprivation, haircuts and a little roughing up is not torture. For that matter neither is the nasal rinse.

            Beheading with a dull knife is torture. Ripping out tongues and gouging out eyes is torture. 

          • Yar

            Water boarding, a nasal rinse?
            Yes, all of the above can be used as torture.
            Sex is also used as torture. From your statements above I infer you don’t differentiate consent from rape.  A prisoner cannot give consent.
            Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

          • Gregg

            “From your statements above I infer you don’t differentiate consent from rape.”

            Where do you get that? It’s stupid. Don’t forget these are the worst of the worst. I don’t know what you think is gained by that kind of statement.

            However, it’s my bad. I was suckered by Hidan and stepped right in it. I let him change the subject from “Fast and Furious” (current and relevant) to Gitmo (old news). I should know better.

            The only news that’s current about Gitmo is Obama’s plan to give a few back to the Taliban as a “confidence building” measure before the negotiations. You guys should be happy about that.

          • Anonymous

            Water-boarding is torture. So is sleep derivation.
            Hitting prisoners is abusive if done without provocation or in defense. Your defensive argument is because some extremist do horrible things we should too. What kind of human being are you?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Will YOU, George W. Bush, Richard (Dick) Cheney, Ashcroft, and ALL the others that have made dismissive remarks about the ‘nasal rinses’, aka ‘Water-boarding, and ALL the other ‘advanced interrogation methods’, FIVE times as much as the worst received by ANY ‘detainee’, that was released?
               If it is such fun, that ought to be the daily routine of anyone that dismisses it, as NOT torture!

  • Newton Whale

    David Stockman was Reagan’s budget director. This is what he says about today’s GOP:

    “The Republican Party has totally abdicated its job in our democracy, which is to act as the guardian of fiscal discipline and responsibility. They’re on an anti-tax jihad – one that benefits the prosperous classes.”

      ”trickle-down” tax cuts don’t juice the economy – they create bubbles and balloon deficits. Proponents pointed to Reagan’s original tax cut in 1981, claiming it had spurred economic growth. But that is nothing more than “urban legend,” Stockman says. The economy “did recover after 1982,” he says, “but mainly because the Federal Reserve defeated inflation.”
    In fact, Stockman insists, Bush’s tax cuts for the rich represent a bastardization of Reaganism. “The Republican Party originally said that prosperity comes from the private sector,” he says. “But today’s Republicans have become Chamber of Commerce Keynesians – using tax policy as a way of stimulating, boosting, prodding the economy.” The Party of the Rich, in essence, was offering up a twisted version of New Deal policies that laissez-faire Republicans like Reagan had long opposed.

     ”It was a very destructive combination to have a national economic policy that stimulated debt-financed capital gains and then taxed the windfall at the lowest rate imaginable,” says Stockman. “That contributed, clearly, to the growing imbalance in household income and wealth.” 

    How the GOP Became the Party of the Richhttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-the-rich-20111109?print=true 

  • Anonymous

    Trump endorsed Romney because they both like to fire people. 

    • Gregg

      I’m glad you brought that up. Romney said, “”I like being able to fire people who provide services to me.” Yet every time the quote is repeated it leaves out the words “being able”. You just did it. The meaning is changed completely. Romney’s quote about concern for the poor is equally as abused. It’s not honest.

      I see 3 options: 1) Either liberals are so thick and unnuanced they can’t tell the difference, 2)  They are uninformed and have not heard the context or 3) They’re just mean and not interested in the truth.

      • Gregg

        Romney was talking about the bureaucratic impossibility of firing people like this:
        http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/dud_of_the_class_V94XccuHkAS9OKOVaTtWMK

        It’s an important issue being demonized. Sad.

      • Anonymous

        Romney established a very low standard for quoting people when he ran an ad quoting Obama quoting a McCain aide.  I don’t see why he shouldn’t have the same standard applied to his statements. 

        Mitt should know that he is perceived as a job killing rich man and should be more careful when he speaks.  This gaffe fits in with the $10,000 bet, the hundreds of thousands/small amount of money he made from speeches, corporations are people my friend . . .

        • Gregg

          You’re right about that and I’ve already said I thought Romney was a “snake it the grass” for the Obama quote. But the media called him on it. This time they are propagating the lie.

          • Anonymous

            Romney still hasn’t admitted it was wrong. 

            I left out that Romney said he doesn’t care about poor people.

          • Gregg

            I didn’t:

            “Romney’s quote about concern for the poor is equally as abused. It’s not honest.” -me

            Seriously do you think Romney doesn’t care about the poor? One has willfully deceive themselves in the name of blind partisanship to do so.

          • Anonymous

            His career indicates that he doesn’t. 

      • Anonymous

        Oh please. you’re going you have to be kidding about Romney.
        He’s not exactly an innocent in this regard when it comes to making up complete fabricated stories.

        I still find him to be an nasty man and your little semantic game does not change the fact of him getting joy out of firing people.

        As for misinformed, buddy you take the cake on that one. You know the story about people who live in glass houses…

        • Gregg

          “I still find him to be an nasty man and your little semantic game does
          not change the fact of him getting joy out of firing people.”

          That’s shallow and sick.

          • Anonymous

            How is it sick. Bucause you don’t like it. Because it does not conform to your little ideological right wing world. You know what is disturbing, that you support the use of torture. That you support the likes of Anne Coulter who advocates hitting people she does agree with, with baseball bats. You also agreed with Allen West’ comments about deporting people with different political view points. That’s sick in my view. As for shallow you have shown a lot of evidence of that attribute to write a book on it. Well being it’s on being shallow I suppose it would be a pamphlet.

          • Gregg

            Look Jeffe, I don’t know if you are stupid, uninformed, mean as hell or just not interested in the truth. West advocated no such thing, please do some research.

            If you think Romney said he get’s enjoyment out of firing people then you’re hopelessly shallow and blindedly partisan.

          • Anonymous

            He made lots of money by buying up companies, gutting them, and laying people off.  He enjoyed the money he made from firing people. 

          • Gregg

            He saved businesses and tons of jobs. Chips must fall. I read an article about how much Bain helped the recovery. It was substantial.

          • Anonymous

            Gregg, Allen West did in fact say liberals should get the hell out of the USA. Calling me stupid and mean. Well I’m shocked and not at all surprised.  I guess I could come back at you by calling you an idiot, which I don’t think I need to do as you are quite capable of proving this yourself.

            From a speech given by Allen West.
            “This is a battlefield that we must stand upon and we need to
            let President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and my dear friend the
            chairman of the Democrat National Committee, we need to let them know
            that Florida ain’t on the table. Take your message of equality of
            achievement, take your message of economic dependency, take your message
            of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people
            somewhere else. You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the
            bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell
            out of the United States of America.”

             

          • Gregg

            Do you honestly believe I have not seen the quote? I posted the video days ago.

            “… you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell
            out of the United States of America.”

            By “it” he clearly meant the message he described. You’re not helping yourself here. You’re proving my point.

          • Anonymous

            Gregg, do have a comprehension problem. The man was talking about the ideas and what the democrats stand for.
            You left out the war part. It’s pretty clear to me what he meant. Obviously you have a different interpretation if what West was saying. So what part ofget the hell
            out of the United States of America is giving you problems?  West is telling the people who have a different belief system than him to get out of the USA. What part of get out do you not understand?

            I know what West stands for. He’s an extremist.

          • Gregg

            Replying up here. See how you do, you wrote: “So what part of get the hell out of the United States of America is giving you problems?”

            No, he said “get IT the hell out of America”. Are you really that dense?

          • Yar

            What?  a nasal rinse?
            Who is sick?
            Has our country become so polarized that it is ungovernable? 

          • Gregg

            3 people were waterboarded and lives were save because of it. In the case of KSM the plan to bring down the library tower in LA was thwarted.

            Our special forces are waterboarded as part of their training. Journalist have volunteered so they could write stories. That’s way more than 3. Hell, Obama ordered the execution of that many black Muslim teenagers off the coast of Somalia and that was fine.

            I would like to know how many of our special forces have gone through the procedure since Obama banned it.

          • Anonymous

            They experience waterboarding as part of their training and that is irrelevant to whether it is torture or not.  Christopher Hitchens underwent waterboarding and then admitted that he was wrong and that it is torture. 

          • Gregg

            Yes, I remember Hitchens, Fox’s Steve Carigan and others. So, it’s irrelevant that we “torture” our special forces”?

          • Anonymous

            They don’t undergo waterboarding them to torture them but to train them how to withstand being tortured.  The fact that they undergo it is not proof that it is not torture. 

          • Joe

            Agree.  Water boarding IS torture! 

          • Gregg

            You’re splitting split hairs. I should not have taken Hidan’s bait. This is an old issue. Obama’s giving them back to the Taliban, all is well.

          • Anonymous

            It isn’t splitting hairs.  The reason for the waterboarding is an important distinction.  Our legal system requires that intent be proven for a criminal conviction. 

          • Joe

            Water boarding IS torture.  Any information gathered under torture is worthless.  They will say anything to make it stop.
            Torture is immoral.

          • Gregg

            Library Tower, LA.

          • Joe

            ??

          • Anonymous

            5th grade level retort.

      • Yar

        Wasn’t Romney talking about public funded health insurance at the time.  He was saying that private insurance gives choice.  That may be true for some, but once you become ill you may find that your choices are greatly reduced.
        Romney is guilty of allowing the truth to leak out in his statements. He says he misspoke when he said: I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it. I’m not concerned about the very rich. They’re doing just fine. I’m concerned about the very heart of America, the 90-95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling.

        A politician can’t win if they get caught telling the truth three times.  I would say that Romney has been caught telling the truth at least twice.

        • Gregg

          My problem with Romney’s comment is it is not a conservative position. I agree with Krauthammer and Rush in that regard. However, to infer Romney has no compassion for the poor is over the top. It’s his bad and he should know better. The media will take something like this and run.

          • Yar

            Not a lack of compassion, just ignorance of the challenges faced by people every day.  I expect the conservative base of the party fears his compassion most of all.  They have divorced themselves from “compassionate conservative” and embraced free market.  
            I think Romney sees himself as middle class in values.  At least his statements that have gotten him in trouble such as “fear of a pink slip’ are channeling middle class.

          • Gregg

            I don’t like Romney but he was railroaded. I am a big fan of “Compassionate Conservatism”.

          • Yar

            Because they use the nasal rinse instead of torture?

          • Gregg

            Alright, forget it. This is going nowhere. We have big problems that are not served if we can’t debate honestly.

          • Anonymous

            Hypocrite.

          • Brett

            If you are going to “debate honestly” at least concede that the two sides are arguing differences of opinion. Someone having an opposing opinion to your own opinion is not a definition of being “dishonest.” 

          • Gregg

            What if the opinion is based on a purposely misrepresented quote? That’s not honest debate.

          • Brett

            I was referring to the thread among you and others about what is and is not torture, which is opinion. 

            I do agree that misquoting someone purposely to pad one’s side of the debate is NOT honest, but to also say that one knows what a politician meant when he said, “blah, blah” is also dishonest on your end. While I don’t know how Romney feels about poor people, for example, so I can’t say that he doesn’t care about them (albeit what he has said shows a kind of tone deafness on his part), you also can not say for sure that he meant something else; you’d be doing the same thing you condemn in others.  

          • Anonymous

            So you advocate for “compassionate” torture.
            “Compassionate Conservatism” is an oxymoron, it means nothing as there is no evidence of this whatsoever.

          • Gregg

            The “soft bigotry of low expectations” is not compassionate.

          • Brett

            I’ll bet you didn’t compose that phrase (“soft bigotry of low expectations”) on your own, Gregg…but I, for one, would like to hear what YOU think this phrase means. It also might help to know how it was coined; was it something from the mind of Frank Luntz maybe?

          • Gregg

            I would not have put it in quotes if it was mine. It was coined GWB when he was Governor of Texas. I think it’s brilliant. You may disagree.

          • Brett

            The question remains: what does this mean to you, Gregg?

          • TFRX

            Hey, it meant something 12 years ago. That thing was “let’s sucker the white suburban mom demographic into thinking we give a crap about gays/lesbian, people of color, and non-Christians.”

      • TFRX

        Fourth option: The guy who looks like a photo-frame-provided picture, and has more money than Uncle Pennybags, simply has a tin ear for what not-rich people want to hear.

        Our Beltway Inbred press, which are there to not ruffle the rich, to not lose their invites to Sally Quinn’s cocktail parties (proverbially speaking), are taking notice.

        • Gregg

          I can’t disagree but it was a shallow, unfair and deceitful misrepresentation by the press.

          • TFRX

            Boo hoo. Now you care. Given your professed media diet, that’s bullflop.

            Or did you go to right-wing boards and stand fast in the name of “media responsibility” saying in a loud voice, “Why is the media putting lies in Al Gore’s
            mouth?”

            Anybody here is supposed to think you’re more interested in an objective, truth telling press when they’re not serving your needs?

          • Gregg

            My professed media diet includes NPR, MSNBC, CNN and the NYT.

            The truth it the truth, I don’t care where I get it.

          • TFRX

            “Obama is the one surrendering sovereignty”

            “Obama is succeeding with his dastardly agenda.”

            Keep shoveling that truth, sucker.

          • Gregg

            Now you’re getting it.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      No, they both want to fire Obama.

      • Gregg

        Hey Worried, I’m worn out from sticking up for Romney. These commenters are convince he doesn’t care about the poor and get’s his yayas from firing people. IMO it’s either stupid, shallow, uninformed or mean. And I don’t even like the guy. I’ll let you take it from here.

        • nj

          Poor Greggg. Maybe there’s a support group for tuckered out, Repulican apologists. 

          • Anonymous

            I think it’s sad, really. He comes out and says he likes Ann Coulter and Allen West and then denies what they stand for means anything when it comes to the nitty gritty. In the case of West, he’s just making it up. Pathetic.

          • Gregg

            Actually you were the one misquoting.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Both the “I like to fire people”, and “I don’t worry about poor people”, were taken out of context, and certainly don’t convey what Romney was saying at the time.
         Mitt will continue to make gaffes, and say things that will enrage the working-class, and the poor.
         Why bother using something out of context, when there has been, and probably will be many mistakes he will spout?

  • Hidan

    Ad for things for children instead of going to the Catholic Church.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf98HzGeKVs&feature=channel_video_title

  • Soli

    I hope you’ll give a nod to Dorothea Tanning, last of the surviving Surrealist artists, who passed away on Monday.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothea_Tanning

  • Hidan
  • JP

    “To Fix Image, Republicans in House Think Small”

    Here is the Republicans BIG IDEA for turning America around:

    ” Eric Cantor, the Virginia Republican and majority leader, issued a memo this week laying out the body’s initial legislative agenda… the centerpiece was a modest tax cut for small businesses.”

    These Republican intellectual giants couldn’t legislate their way out of a shoe box!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/us/politics/to-fix-image-house-gop-thinks-small.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    It sounds like Komen Foundation has been co-opted by the right – along with defunding PP, they are also defunding anything to do with stem cell research as well.

    • kelty

      They will truly regret this decision, if they haven’t already. There are crowds of folks who will no longer donate or support their cause in any way, shape, or form due to this politicizing of their cause. Eradicating breast cancer apparently takes 2nd place to the conservative agenda to distroy PP and the ability of woman to take charge of their reproductive lives. 

      • Gregg

        Donations are up 100% since the decision.

    • Gregg

      It sure has paid off for them regarding donations.

      • kelty

        Yes, you are correct, PP has been inundated with donations, many that used to go to SGK and from high profile folks. SGK have not even begun to see the backlash from this decision. Just wait until they start seeing support pulled from sponsers due to comsumer demand. Shot themselves in the foot.  

        • kelty

          Plus many of their State affiliates are standing w/ PP. 

  • Newton Whale

    If this keeps up, Mitt’s going to have to run on his winning personality:

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — American employers substantially stepped up their hiring in January, bringing the unemployment rate down for the fifth month in a row.Employers added 243,000 jobs in January, the Labor Department reported Friday, marking a pick-up in hiring from December, when the economy added 203,000 jobs.Meanwhile, the unemployment ratefell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009.Hiring was much stronger than expected, and once it was apparent the job gains were broad based across several sectors, economists and investors called it a “nice surprise,” “fantastic,” and even “a touchdown!” Stock futuresimmediately headed higher.”To show the economy adding this kind of jobs number in a January is amazing,” said Kathy Kane, senior vice president of Talent Management at Adecco Group North America. “As we talk to clients, they’re very optimistic about continuing to hold jobs throughout the year but also to increase jobs.”The encouraging news was coupled with revisions to the Labor Department’s data, showing the economy added 180,000 more jobs than originally thought in 2011.http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/news/economy/jobs_report_unemployment/index.htm?hpt=hp_t1 

  • Brettt

    What’s this Romney was saying about not being concerned over poor people because they have the inter-NET?!?!? He was also saying something about going over to their houses and fixing the NET for them if they had trouble with their connections?!?! The man can’t possibly think people will believe he’ll give everybody a job, make lazy, low-income people pay their fare share in taxes, AND give everybody access the the NET?!?!? 

  • BHA in Vermont

    So Romney says the poor are taken care of with social programs and the Republicans want to cut government by cutting services like Medicaid.

    Seems a bit of a disconnect to me.

  • Erin in Iowa

    Oh Mitt!  You forgot a verse:America! America! God shed His grace on thee Till selfish gain no longer stain, The banner of the free!

  • BHA in Vermont

    Interesting comment on NPR this morning regarding Romney’s “favorite” song. He doesn’t sing all the verses, this one in particular:

    “O beautiful for glory-tale

    Of liberating strife

    When once and twice,

    for man’s avail

    Men lavished precious life!

    America! America!

    God shed his grace on thee

    Till selfish gain no longer stain

    The banner of the free!”

  • Maggie

    I think I remember Romney saying, when he came into office as Governor, something like, “We are 3 billion dollars in debt and I am going to solve that by cutting Medicaid to the poor.” His attitude has always been that we don’t need the poor in America and we shouldn’t help them.

  • Anonymous

    What is escaping the issue here about Romney is he’s not very good at keeping his facts straight. He said On Jan. 22 that safety-net programs have “massive overhead,” and that because of the cost
    of a huge bureaucracy “very little of the money that’s actually needed
    by those that really need help, those that can’t care for themselves,
    actually reaches them.” This an out right lie.

    But the interesting thing is Romney is now saying that Safety net programs are good for the poor when ten days ago he said the opposite. Talk about your walking contradiction.

    • TFRX

      Don’t forget that “Ninety or ninety-five percent of Americans…are struggling”, but not the “very poor”.
      Rich pol? No problem, as long as a president has the slightest sense of noblesse oblige. Not every rich white handsome guy without a southern/southwestern drawl has that quality.

      Someone has to clue Mitt into the difference between very poor, poor, middle-class, and exactly what kind of largesse that safety net provides, and how little a crisis it takes to push a family down that ladder, especially at this point in the business cycle.

      Not to mention that I don’t trust Romney to keep the GOP from cutting off their nose (whites’ participation in the safety net) to spite their face (blacks’ safety net).

      (That I have to write that it’s all one safety net, and that conservative white people use tons of it, but love the fantasy that they’re worthy of it but “the other” isn’t, is a metaphor-killer. But around these parts, some professional-grade decontextualizers need to be pre-explained to.)

  • Witterquick

    Gingrich is tired of Politicians dividing America?  I suspect he meant by class but you only have to look at the two party system to see how to divide America.

    • BHA in Vermont

      He was really good at it when he was a congressman.

      • TFRX

        Newt’s another penny-ante bully whose idea of tough is “I hit you first, now we’re even.”

        Followed quickly by “When you raise your hand back, I’m running to get the teacher.”

  • BHA in Vermont

    Regarding the bills to make insider trading by members of the house and senate illegal.

    Isn’t insider trading ALREADY illegal? For EVERYONE?
    Looks to me like a REALLY pitiful attempt to get their ratings up with ‘bipartisan’ legislation.

    I, for one, am not impressed in the least.

    • Ray in VT

      There is currently no law against Congressmen acting upon information that comes before them in Congress.  So they can take actions on investments on issues that they know will soon be affected by their actions in Congress.  That’s my understanding.

      • BHA in Vermont

        I suspect if any of them made investment decisions (and therefore big profits) based on such things they would be in court.

        • Anonymous

          You are too trusting.  Many reports have shown that our politicians on average make far higher and more consistent stock market investment returns than the best fund managers.  There are lots of examples of this.

    • Joe

      Martha Stewart goes to jail and Nancy Pelosi becomes a multimillionaire. 
      The critters in DC are above the law and with out morals.

      • BHA in Vermont

        Well then, change the proposed legislation. Make it illegal for ANYONE to buy or sell investments with knowledge that is not publicly available.

        • Joe

          or make it legal for everyone.  The double standard is criminal.

  • Anonymous

    Romney’s conservative values are adaptable too. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    I find it pretty humorous (and disqueiting) that America appears to have so little desire to influance Israel in a fashion that is beneficial to America yet Israel has absolutely no qualms about influancing America to benefit Israel. What’s with that?

    • BHA in Vermont

      Because we pander to the Jewish vote in Florida.

  • Anonymous

    Record 1.2 Million People Fall Out Of Labor Force In One Month, Labor Force Participation Rate Tumbles To Fresh 30 Year Low

    • JP

      … according to Brainsdead!

  • Yar

    We haven’t even had winter yet in Kentucky, the bees are bringing in pollen, strange weather. While in Brussels it is too cold to piss.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/01/us-belgium-statue-idUSTRE8101TR20120201 

  • Anonymous

    Implied Unemployment Rate Rises To 11.5%, Spread To Propaganda Number Surges To 30 Year High

    Sick of the BLS propaganda? Then do the following calculation with us: the US civilian non-institutional population was 242,269 in January, an increase of 1.7 million month over month: apply the long-term average labor force participation rate of 65.8% to this number (because as chart 2 below shows, people are not retiring as the popular propaganda goes: in fact labor participation in those aged 55 and over has been soaring as more and more old people have to work overtime, forget retiring), and you get 159.4 million: that is what the real labor force should be. The BLS reported one? 154.4 million: a tiny 5 million difference. Then add these people who the BLS is purposefully ignoring yet who most certainly are in dire need of labor and/or a job to the 12.758 million reported unemployed by the BLS and you get 17.776 million in real unemployed workers. What does this mean? That using just the BLS denominator in calculating the unemployed rate of 154.4 million, the real unemployment rate actually rose in January to 11.5%. Compare that with the BLS reported decline from 8.5% to 8.3%.

    • nj

      ^ Too lazy to cite source?

      • Anonymous

        I was hoping that my post would open peoples eyes enough to either read the BLS report themselves or look at what analysts , and not the mainstream media has to say about it.

        I guess you are just to lazy to do either. :)

        • JP

          Despite Brainsdead’s rants to the contrary, the CONSERVATIVE Wall Street Journal states that TODAY’S JOBS NUMBERS REPRESENT REAL IMPROVEMENT.
          “Whenever the unemployment rate drops, economically savvy observers know to ask a key question: What happened to the employment-population ratio?
          Under the government’s definitions, people only count as unemployed when they’re actively looking for work. So when the unemployment rate drops, it could mean that unemployed people found jobs, or it could mean that they gave up looking for work. The employment-population ratio, which measures how many people are actually working, is harder to fool.
          Today’s jobs report carries good news on both fronts. The unemployment rate fell, and the employment-population ratio rose. That means the improvement in the labor market is real — people actually found jobs.”
          No matter how badly Republicans screw our economy, Democrats can always be counted on to turn things back to prosperity!

          • Anonymous

            You are wrong on a few fronts but the fact is unemployment went down because the government said 1.2 million people stopped looking for jobs.  This is a fact.

            It is also a fact that this sort of adjustment has never happened before in history.  The percentage of Americans in working age that are either looking for work or employed is at its lowest level since 1984!

            There is no way to honestly spin this news to be good.

            http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000071275 

          • Anonymous

            CNBC’s Rick Santelli http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/03/santelli_12_million_fall_out_of_labor_force_as_participation_rate_hits_20-year_low.html

          • TFRX

            Rick Santelli? The guy whose idea of “ordinary folks” is everyone at the Chicago Board of Exchange, and the rest of us can suck it because we’re too lazy and stupid?

            Nope. I don’t remember anything useful coming out of his mouth.

          • Gregg

            His rant started the Tea Party. That was important Mr. messenger shooter.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    On “walking for the pink” – or donations to breast cancer causes in general. They are not all linked to the Komen Foundation (Avon Walk for Breast Cancer for example). Don’t stop donating or walking altogether if you disagree with Komen. The cause is still very valid and very dire.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      They should have found a cure for breast cancer by now. Decades of research and where is the results of those research. Mammogram is also Harmful to women who gets tested.

      We are all aware of cancer.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        There is a cure out there but not approved by FDA and it is not Radiation therapy and it’s better.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Yep, there are many ways to donate to cancer research without going through the Komen Foundation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    8 Percent Unemployment rate while Microsoft and American Airlines are laying off thousands of employees and I bet there more to come.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Bank of America laying off 30,000 employees this year that was announced last year.

  • ted baker

    Ok, so biggest concern for the poor is the debt crisis, I have to bang my head against wall for the next few minutes.

  • Ellen Dibble

    I don’t know about poor elderly, but “the poor” not-so-elderly are stuck at “the poor” because their opportunities are being squelched.  There are too many traps that pull one down off the books, under the radar, where one is more and more a drag on the nation’s resources, where the safest place to get an education is jail.  Statistics show that opportunity to succeed decreases dramatically — dramatically — in this country toward the bottom.  There is a big pull of gravity.  Why is this okay with Romney because there is a safety net.  It sounds like part of the conservative ideology depends on that safety net as well, in some odd way that I don’t understand.  It isn’t so helpful to the nation as a whole — the need for all these arrangements for people who can’t make a good go of it in this life.  (Try drugs, uppers, downers, just stay quiet; it begins to be a family tradition.)

    • BHA in Vermont

      No Ellen, you haven’t been listening. The poor are poor because they are LAZY BUMS who care only about getting a handout for the rich who barely squeak by on a few million a year!

    • Gregg

      Well, at least you thought about it and didn’t misrepresent what he said. I agree with your sentiment just maybe not the path to achieve the goal.

  • Rechtsstaat

    Romney said that he’s not worried about the poor, but about the 90-95% in the middle class. Assuming that the rich is 1% (low-end assumption), he assumes that only 4-9% of the population is poor (below the poverty line).
    The official US number is 15.1% (and growing).
    A study by Indiana University’s public policy center, using more realistic indices, calculated that it is 27%, that the real numbers have risen from 36 to 46 million (Guardian report on 11 Janduary 2012).

    Romney obviously is unaware that poverty is still an issue; he is as ignorant as he is morally obtuse.

  • Judy

    Having heard Romney’s ads when the NH primary was coming up,  I am bothered by the tag line he uses, “We are going to take back our country.”  From whom?  There are some serious subconscious undertones to this line that are deeply disturbing. Overlay that with his gaffe lines about firing people, and about not being concerned about the poor, and I am even more disturbed by his front runner status….and a perception among some that as a business person it makes him qualified to run the country.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Hopefully from those who want the rich to pay less, the poor and middle class to pay more, want corporations to be allowed to pollute as much as they want in the pursuit of MONEY and only the rich can get health care or an education.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Judy I think your reading way too much into the tag line unless you believe in protecting the Washington elite. And this means taking back our country from the elites in both parties.  Our federal government is bloated and dysfunctional.  Our deficit spending and debt has put us on the brink of crisis.

      Romney is running as a turn around specialist.  He has been effective in turning around fiscal crisis as governor.  He took on corruption and fiscal crisis with the Olympics.  And of course he has also been successful in business as a turn around specialist.

      Personally, I think those skills are ideal for the current problems in  Washington.  Romney’s biggest problem is he isn’t a natural politician and that is his greatest barrier to electoral success.

      • Judy

        “Washington elite” is a bit of an oxymoron in my mind.  What I am concerned about is the potential racist undertones that are there, feeding the people who hate Obama for his race.
        I wouldn’t call Romney a turnaround specialist.  I would characterize his business experience as in line with a pirate plundering the bounty of companies that done have strong defenses against the actions of companies like Bain.  And as to the turn around of the Olympics…check it out…he got about a million dollars from the federal government to help fund that turnaround.
        I was not wowed by him as governor here in Massachusetts.  All I saw was ego and bluster.  We don’t need someone like him in Washington.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Romney and ego and bluster?  Interesting.  I think that is a first.  He is probably one of the most humble men to run for President.  That is one of his problems as a candidate.

          Regarding, race and Obama, I just don’t see it. Even people who didn’t vote for Obama last time felt a pride that race barrier had been broken by his election.  I felt it  and even teared up.  I was hoping that we would finally make real strides as a color blind society.  This is why I was so disappointed that the President launched his “African-American’s for Obama” campaign yesterday.

           Most people see Obama as simply underqualified to handle the crisis he inherited.  His resume was extraordinarily thin and it is clear to me that he doesn’t understand the economy and that accelerating the economic growth rate is the only way out of our malaise.

          We’ll have to agree to disagree on Romney’s motives and qualifications.

          • Brett

            I agree that most people see Obama as ineffectual in meeting the challenges of the various and sundry crises we currently face. See, we needed to elect a truly great president in the last election to meet the challenges of these troubled times; what we got was a mediocre president. I think this is the big difference in how he’s viewed between the Left and the Right; the Left thinks he’s mediocre and too centrist, and the Right thinks he’s a scheming, far-left socialist whose goal is to systematically dismantle our country and purposefully run it in the ground so that a new world order can get a foothold…

          • Gregg

            “…the
            Right thinks he’s a scheming, far-left socialist whose goal is to
            systematically dismantle our country and purposefully run it in the
            ground so that a new world order can get a foothold…”

            I don’t know about that whole new world order crap (it seems Obama is the one surrendering sovereignty) but otherwise you are spot on. I just think he wants to “fundamentally transform America”.

            That’s why I hoped Obama would fail, Rush agreed with me but unfortunately Obama is succeeding with his dastardly agenda.

          • Brett

            Nothing to be “spot on” about, really; I was stating that the Right and Left are disappointed in Obama for different reasons. Is this more confusion about “honest debate”? Because my characterization of the Right’s view of Obama coincides with your view doesn’t make it more “honest.” It clearly is an opinion framed as a characterization, as is your view. I am trying hard not to portray my or your opinions as anything but opinions. But you are not really stating your opinions as opinions: “Obama is succeeding with his dastardly agenda” sounds more like you can read the man’s mind and know that he has a diabolical scheme to ruin our country. Which, you don’t know that, and you can provide any real evidence to support your opinions.  

          • Gregg

            I said nothing about the honesty of either view. I just think I can make a better case for the latter.

          • Brett

            In a sense you did with the “spot on” part (which seems to mean that you think Obama is running the country into the ground and he’s doing so purposely). You must believe this, and you must think this is an honest view; you wouldn’t knowingly subscribe to a dishonest view, nor would you call a dishonest view “spot on,” would you? You know, you don’t have to use the word “honest” to mean such.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            WHICH candidate in the last election, would have been a GREAT President?  If they were half-black?  If Congress had pledged to make them a one-term president?  If Congress would spend as much effort to stop government, as they have with President Obama?
               With the great Presidents that we have had in the past, I’m not sure ANY of THEM could have been even a mediocre president , with those conditions?

          • TFRX

            Maybe the least-productive Congress in history had something to do with this, thanks to Speaker Boehner. Or the record number of holds and filibusters in the Senate, where “60 is the new 51″.

            “Most people” know that the GOP has thrown a little fit because that black Democrat beat Old Man Yells At Cloud, and they’re keenly interested in keeping
            millions out of work to put one man out of a job.

            They literally want to destroy the economy for this year’s election.

            All those policy ideas which economists and Repbulicans supported until the second Presdient Obama said “That’s a good solution, let’s talk about it.”

            No qualifications in the world could get the WATBs on the right to give a damn about governance again until a Republican is in the White House. The idea has
            changed, and the media has just played along like suckers.

        • BHA in Vermont

          I would like Mitt to release different numbers:
          1) How much he PERSONALLY made from each company that was “turned around” after Bain took it over.

          2) How much he PERSONALLY made from each company that failed after Bain took it over.

          3) How much he PERSONALLY made AFTER he left the company with his sweetheart “% of future profits” deal.
          4) How much of HIS money was involved in each takeover.
          5) How much of HIS time was spent DIRECTING the day to day operations of the companies Bain took over whether they ultimately succeeded or failed.

          I suspect the answer to 1, 2 & three is MILLIONS and the answer to 4 & 5 is ZERO or nearly so. Therefore, just how is it that HE is a job creator and knows how to run a business? Getting OTHER people to invest in a company is NOT leadership, nor does it mean you know how to build a business or how to rescue the nation’s economy.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            I suggest you do more research into how private equity works.  I’ve worked for companies taken over by private equity (not Bain) and they took active roles in turning around the company.

            btw – Romney was on the board of directors of Staples for their first 15 years of growth.

          • Gregg

            This was good and I’ll admit Newt’s demonizing of it disappointed me.

            Bain saved America:
            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204555904577169032997242246.html

          • BHA in Vermont

            I have. Sounds like Romney is the perfect candidate to keep on our current debt path:
            Bain Capital’s focus was leveraged buyouts  “buying existing firms with money mostly borrowed against their assets”.

            Bain’s “management” goal was to maximize profits for the shareholders, i.e, the investors. And give the execs big stock options at low prices. Nothing like encouraging “next quarter profits” over long term growth! Works out great when you can then cut your tax rate to < 15%, eh?

            Staples was not a Bain takeover, it was a business started from scratch by two men who were competitors in the grocery business using investment capital. Romney did detailed analysis of the viability of an Office Supply store but that is not the same as running the company.

  • jim

    I don’t understand why conservative is so fickle like Mitt Romney when Romney is not even close to being a conservative compare with Newt. This is the problem with American voters. They simply just do not get it. Romney is the biggest fraud in American history. I rather vote for a true conservative like Newt Gingrich even though he has personal issues. at least Newt never wavers on his core principles.

    • Joe

      Agree that Romney is a fraud.  Flip flopper extraordinaire.

      Newt is not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

      Ron Paul is the real true conservative.  Defending the Constitution and liberty for all individuals.  And the only candidate who will cut spending.

      • Anonymous

        If Ron Paul is so principled, why is he letting his son’s Republican political ambitions keep him from running as a third party candidate?

        • Joe

          Last I heard he is not ruling out anything.  His main goal is to influence the discussion.  He has had a tremendous effect already.

    • Anonymous

      Newt used to favor the individual mandate for health insurance which was originally a Republican idea even before Mitt passed Romneycare in moderate Massachusetts. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Because Newt is not normal. I rather vote for out of touch from reality candidate than a candidate who is mentally unstable.

      • Anonymous

        But you said you were voting for Obama a day or so ago.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          I am not voting for Mitt I just want him to run against Obama than Newt.

          • Anonymous

            OK, people do change their minds like the tide.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      You need to get out of the Newt bubble.  Newt has strayed further from the conservative farm than ANY of the other candidates during the past 3 years.

    • Yar

      Newt has a conservative view of marriage vows?
      True? What is a true conservative? 
      It seems conservative means faith in a false economy.
      Tax and spend is more conservative than free market with no regulation. 

  • skeptic4321

    Gingrich represents all Americans?  Really?
    “Gingrich, a former U.S. Representative and 58th Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, said an atheist has no business in the White House. “Does faith matter? Absolutely,” Gingrich said. “How can you have judgment if you have no faith? How can I trust you with power if you don’t pray?” He continued, “the notion that you are endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary of what we mean by America.” Gingrich said that Americans should value religion first, above morality and knowledge.”

    The fallacies of his comments speak for themselves.  A bigger issue is non-theists/non-religious are by far the largest minority in this country (at least 15%)  and we are growing faster than any other minority (in my opinion, a good thing).  Yet it seems the entire Republican party dismisses us as second class citizens simply because we reject god/superstition/religion. 

    I have served in the military, I work in the health care industry caring for patients, and I pay far more in taxes than the average American (and a higher percentage than Romney).  Yet my tax money goes to support resolutions for “In God We Trust,” the printing of “In God We Trust” on money (which I cross out on all my paper money), the engraving of “In God We Trust” on public buildings, public school vouchers of which ~80% go to religious schools, wars based on some mission/vision from Bush’s god, and proposals for (un)Intelligent Design to be taught as science, etc? 

    The creeping theocracy of America needs to be fought and our secular roots need to be re-established – otherwise we all may regret the primitive, irrational policies which might be instituted based on superstition, religion, and/or magical thinking rather than based on knowledge and reason.  But I guess the best and the brightest don’t find their way into Washington leadership roles – as we said in the military – sh– floats to the top.

    “The men whom the people ought to choose to represent them are too busy to take the jobs. But the politician is waiting for it. He’s the pestilence of modern times. What we should try to do is make politics as local as possible. Keep the politicians near enough to kick them. The villagers who met under the village tree could also hang their politicians to the tree. It’s terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hung today”
     G.K. Chesterton

    In Reason I Trust!

    • BHA in Vermont

      I guess then that Newt would vote for candidate who would try to run the country on Sharia Law rather than an atheist with a “moral compass”.

      • Anonymous

        He supports the Christian right’s version of it. 

  • Greyman

    Because today is only 3 February, MUCH can and will happen before the November election, for Obama, for Republicans, for the US as a whole. For one thing: I’d say if war breaks out with Iran, all bets are off. –At which point, “the other third party” could assert itself: the Republican party elders, who could finagle a way to disallow BOTH Romney AND Gingrich and mount candidacies of who knows whom (a Jeb Bush, a Mitch Daniels, even a Tom Pawlenty) for a ticket without blemishes and bruises and a ticket with credibility and forcefulness willing and able to show Obama to the world and to US voters as the ineffectual “leader” he is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    As I said before Israel will attack Iran. No matter what the consequences as long Iran is not capable of developing Nuclear weapons that will ultimately destroy Israel. They will do it and the question is when. Remember the prediction that Israel will attack a country and will start another great war.

    • Joe

      Iran is not a threat.  They signed the NPT, Israel has not.  Israel can destroy Iran anytime.  Iran is is the victim here.  Israel is the aggressor once again!

      • BHA in Vermont

        Neither are victims. Both are aggressors.
        Though I still believe neither is stupid enough to “push the button”.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          I rather have Israel attack Iran than America starting another war.

          • Jmc

            an Israel war is by default a U.S war, you should know that by now.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            There is no such thing as a Default war. you probably talking about a “War of Attrition”

        • Joe

          Agree.  Neither will push the button.
          With the military buildup around Iran, I would say they are the victim. 
          They haven’t invaded anyone for hundreds of years

          • Plushkin

            For year Iran has been killing innocent people through their proxies  like Hizballah and Hamas. You have a great insight into things. 

          • Plushkin

            *For years*
             

          • Joe

            Their internal issues are not a threat to anyone else.

          • Plushkin

            don’t know what you mean by their internal issues, but their backing of jihadist outfits like Hizballah and Hamas definitely has impact far beyond their borders. 

      • Plushkin

        right. not a threat, just a laughing stock

        http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/02/iran-reenacts-history-with-a-giant-cardboard-cut-out-ayatollah/252349/#slide15

        I wonder who would trust anything with people having ceremonies like this.

        NPT is not deterrent for Iran, Israel’s perceived might is.  

        • Joe

          What has Iran ever done? 

          • Plushkin

            LOL. As if just 1979 American Embassy wasn’t enough

            *In 1988, an Iran-backed terrorist organization was responsible for the kidnapping, torture and murder of Col. William Higgins, a U.S. Marine officer serving under a UN mandate in Lebanon. Additionally, Iran has placed a death warrant on British author Salman Rushdie, attempted to assassinate him in 1989 and has kept a $2.5 million bounty on him

            *Iran maintains terrorist training camps within its borders and abroad. Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Quds Force, an extra-territorial arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, operates 20 known terrorist training camps and centers. Hamas, Hezbollah and groups in Iraq send fighters to camps in Iran for months and even years of intensive training. Through Hezbollah, Iran trains insurgents in Iraq.
             
            *During the 1990s, Iran sent arms to the Muslim-led Bosnian government, a move violating a United Nations embargo on all sides of the civil war. Additionally, between 2004 and 2007 it was reported that over 300 Iranian operatives had entered Bosnia-Herzegovina.

            *Iran arms the Taliban’s campaign against NATO forces and civilians in Afghanistan even as it publicly supports Hamid Karzai’s government. Iran provides the Taliban with 107mm mortars, rocket-propelled grenades, C-4 explosives and small arms.Iran also gave the Taliban surface-to-air missiles, which they use against British troops.Iran is the main supporter of Hekmatyar, a major warlord and drug trafficker.

            This is just what cursory into Iran turns out. This list is endless.

          • Plushkin

            * cursory inquiry * 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Israel destroy the Nuclear Power Plant of Iraq. Remember that? There is a plan of attack by Israel to destroy the Nuclear Reactors in Iran.

      The Question is when. today, tomorrow, next week or next month.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Syria too.  The question is why did the US announce the probability of a imminent attack by Israel?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          Because it was always the plan of Israel. Remember the Mossad is very secrective they will attempt to kill someone even if that person is surrounded by an Army. remember the Iranian nuclear scientist that got killed recently? that’s a great example

  • nj

    As current caller is pointing out, the “research cure” industry has become something of a racket. Prevention gets short shrift.

    And why can’t the pink-clad walkers, bikers, etc. actually do something useful and collect pledge money (deliver food to elderly, clean up a blighted neighborhood, whatever…) rather than just walk a few miles which accomplishes nothing except to feed their own egos? They can exercise on their own time. All that wasted energy…

    • Brett

      It’s a bit like bikers acting as if they give back so much to the community because they hop on their Harley’s and ride away a weekend “for charity;” such sacrifice and altruism…All charitable work of that nature begins to generate a brand of sorts, and then for-profit organizations manipulate that brand to add marketing strength to other products which have nothing to do with the charity, and so on…it’s disgusting on a certain level. 

      I believe that when a charitable organization starts playing politics and begins to see their cause as a brand  needing to make power plays of this kind to garner more brand support, then they no longer fit the definition of charity and utilizing community cooperation efforts.  

      • Yar

        I think we should remove the tax deduction for all charitable giving. Branding is true for issues as well, maybe only 7 percent of the voters will make their decisions solely based on abortion stance.  But by dividing and polarizing, politicians play a kind of money-ball to win.
        Isn’t that what single issue positions are really about? Using the issue to build power.

        • BHA in Vermont

          We need a new tax system. ZERO deductions for anything and graduated take rates based on total income regardless of the source.

          This BS that capital gains on invested money fuels jobs is just that. ONLY money invested in a company via shares or bonds sold BY the company is building businesses. ALL future trades of those same shares/bonds is just pushing money around.

          • Yar

            I can agree to that, along with preventing all office holders from trading in the market. No blind trust either, they or their immediate family should not be allowed to trade,or buy shares while in office.
            True separation of powers.

      • Gregg

        I don’t care what the intentions are if charity is the result. Obama want’s to end the charitable deduction. So if a greedy rich gazillionare wants to donate millions to charity for no other reason than to not give it to the government then I’m fine with that. If someone finds the cure for cancer they will be rich. I money is the only goal, I’m cool.

        • Brett

          Maybe it’s all in the hypothetical examples you choose? So, if, for example, a yogurt company wants to co-opt the “race for the cure” brand so they can essentially steal that brand to sell more of their yogurt, even if they only make a nominal donation to the organization and dupe customers into thinking purchasing the company’s yogurt incrementally increases donations to their favorite charity…this is okay? 

          Gangsters often give large sums of money to charitable organizations in their communities; it helps soften and sway community sentiment about them…this sort of thing is okay, too? Nothing matters as long as money is collected? 

          • Gregg

            I didn’t say that. To answer your question, I’m fine with the yogurt thing and I have faith that people are not idiots. Brands, trademarks and copyrights are a separate matter if there is illegality. I am a firm believer in intellectual property rights. I own several copyrights. That’s clouding the issue.

            Your point about gangsters is well taken but I think a little nuance is required. When Syria withdrew from Lebannon Hamas, (or was it Hezbolah? forgive me) won favor and elections because of their (for lack of a better word) charity. They are still cold, blooded terrorist. So, that matters. I just didn’t think I needed to explain it.

  • Jmc

    Komen will make up the difference in men registering for events, after all we know what is best for a woman’s body and this move will directly support and extend our views; sarcasm people.

  • Nurse

    When a catholic health organization buys the only hospital in a community, they are not only dictating the reproductive choices of their employees but also those of the community.

    • TFRX

      It gets worse than than. Many cities have more than one hospital, and raped women just have to hope they get the right ambulance.

      Just ask Joe “Midnight Cab Ride” Lieberman.

      (Lieberman said “A rape victim can always take a cab ride from a hospital which won’t perform abortions to one which will.” This extends to all pregnant women who have a health crisis which puts them in an ambulance.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    There is CURE for cancer. It is out there. The facts were already proven and patients got cured. It is the government and the Pharmaceutical companies that are stopping that doctor from spreading the cure all over the world.

    • skeptic4321

      There are many forms of “cancer” with drastically different biologies and drastically different responses to different therapies.  Within leukemias and lymphomas alone, some have 80+% cure rates while others are rapidly fatal and unresponsive to all known therapies.  To lump all “cancers” into a single group is either an intentional misrepresentation or a lack of education in this area.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        His treatment cures every major cancer.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          No shaving of head no chemo therapy.

          • skeptic4321

            I have some snake oil and some bridges to sell…..

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            The institution is real and the doctor is real. We are not talking about Shaman and the Brooklyn bridge.

  • Jmc

    I am curious if we should cut all funding to the military since they have been responsible for murder of women in children in the past, this is such a silly arguement.

    • Joe

      We should stop putting them in situations where they kill women and children.  Bring them home.

      • Jmc

        agreed Joe

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Stanislaw Rajmund Burzynski (born January 23, 1943 in Lublin, Poland) is a biochemist and a physician. He is founder, president and chairman of the controversial Burzynski Research Institute Inc. (OTCBB: BZYR), based in Houston and Stafford, Texas. Since December 1976, Burzynski has administered peptides and their metabolites, which he calls antineoplastons, as treatments with alleged anti-cancer activity.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      This is the Doctor who found the Cure for Cancer.
      If you done everything to cure your cancer your last result is Dr. Burzynski will cure you without the pain of radiation treatment. Please spread the news.

  • Akfakka

    Why in the world anyone want to reproduce? there are already 7 billions people in the world and millions of children in the world who desperately need to be taken care of. Why bring another human being into this world?

  • Matthew

    The republican mantra of minimal government intervention is
    the complete antithesis of the prolife and personhood movement. It’s hypocritical
    to say that the government should be small and stay out of peoples’ lives,
    while also asking the government to regulate what people (women) do with their
    bodies and what science does with genetic material that clearly isn’t a person. 

    • Joe

      I think the issue is federally funded abortions.  I agree that they should not be performed with tax payer money.  (I am pro choice btw)

      • Anonymous

        Federal money does not pay for abortions.  The Hyde amendment is still the law. 

        • Joe

          hmmm.  thought PP was federally funded.  Maybe I am wrong…

        • Brett

          Actually, the new health-care law is more stringent than the Hyde Law; it’s a fact. Any organizations getting federal funds to provide medical services must not let any of those monies be used for abortion services. They now have a more strict accounting to adhere to than before; they must clearly show a separation, keeping two sets of books and so on…this is new. Only in cases of rape and incest can federal money be used for abortion. Anyone who says otherwise is either misinformed sincerely or is knowingly making false arguments.  

          • BHA in Vermont

            True, but money is fungible. I personally have no problem with abortion as a solution to an unwanted pregnancy. Not as a planned method of birth control of course and only after SERIOUSLY considering ALL the alternatives and impacts to the woman. Education and prevention are the answer (and a BIG part of PPs mission).  The Catholic Church, and other “let god decide” religions do not help in this respect AT ALL. Sarah Palin proved that telling your kids abstinence is best doesn’t always work well.

            But I have the same problem with federal money for religious organizations. Sure you can keep a separate set of books but if you didn’t have that federal money for a specific purpose, perhaps you don’t have enough money to put a new roof on the building so it does support the “not allowed” service. There is no way to fully separate the money unless it is a TOTALLY separate business with NO overlap in real estate, management, etc. Then it isn’t a problem since the disallowed business wouldn’t get funding anyway.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Their HYPOCRICY doesn’t bother them?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The biggest shift here is pink ribbons now equal anti-abortion. And people will act accordingly on both sides of the issue.

  • margaret/ Omaha, NE

    When Catholic Leadership cares more about future of Catholics and their tithes overt the health and mental well being of the women living in this world who may choose to have children.
    Susan Komen started at a Republican Convention with a speech before she became an organization. Komen Foundation has always been political and made in China.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Catholics want MORE VICTIMS for priests?

  • TFRX

    The Komen hacks have about 4000 orgs they worked with, and have done an incredible job of needle-threading to excise out PP. Really classy stuff.

    Who cares what the Komen hacks do now? They seem to be getting all the worst friends this week.

    Hey, once those people gave up on real medicine, they’ve made their bed: Who cares about testing women for cancer when the right has a chance to make “contraception” as big a no-no word as “abortion”? (That’s contraception, which 98% of Americans use, if you’re listening, SGK.)

    And to balance out the propagandist from the Weekly Standard, can we get a liberal on the other side, instead of having our host or a journo do it?

  • Ewood002

    That Planned Parenthood refers women for mammograms should have no bearing on this debate.  My gynecologist does not do mammograms … she refers me to our local hospital’s mammogram department.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    on the contraceptive coverage issue – if it’s a moral issue, what about things like blood transfusions or doctors in general? Different faiths have different morals.

  • Tncanoeguy

    Catholic church against contraceptives – Italy has some of the lowest fertility rates in the world.  I’m guessing that Italians are still having sex.  The hierarchy is out of touch. 

    • BHA in Vermont

      I think the Catholic Church needs to get it’s collective head out of the sand. U.S. Catholics don’t blindly follow what they are told to do. 
      To wit:
      “The overwhelming majority, 98 percent, of sexually active Catholic women use a form of modern contraception.”

      http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/Ninety-eightPercentofCatholicWomenUseBirthControl.asp

      • Anonymous

        I’ll believe it’s a matter of principle when the church  excommunicates 98% of its female members.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Would they excommunicate 98% of their income?  

        • Terry Tree Tree

          FIRST, they should ‘excommunicate’ ALL the pervert priests,  and ALL the clergy that have protected them, moved them, or in any way withheld information about the crimes of priests and clergy, including any ‘saints’!!

  • DJG

    Yes you are missing the point.  Women are up in arms not just because of issues around reproductive rights but because Planned Parenthood provides healthcare to many women who otherwise wouldn’t receive an annual exam or health services and exams for breast cancer screening, etc.  95% of what Planned Parenthood does is about providing healthcare not abortions.  The Komen foundation has betrayed women by letting women’s health become politicized in this way.  Women are furious and fed up.

    • mary elizabeth

      Impossible  to tell how many abortions Planned Parenthood may have prevented with it’s  family planning initiative and making  contraception available.  I suspect it is significant.

      • Gregg

        It is also impossible to say how many crimes were prevented by guns. Fair point I suppose.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Good point about the guns preventing deaths, too!

  • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

    The donation I would probably have given to Komen this year has gone to Planned Parenthood of Western Pennsylvania. https://secure.ppaction.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=pp_ppol_Directed_DonationFormOneTimeGift

    • Modavations

      80% of Planned Parenthood Abortion is down the ghetto.

      • mary elizabeth

        Impossible to tell how many abortions PP may have prevented by it’s family planning initiative and making  contraception available.   Significant perhaps.

        • Modavations

          Magaret Sanger was a punk.She taught the Germans eugenics.She wanted to eliminate the riff raff classes in the U.S.Quit voting with your vaginas.

          • mary elizabeth

            What an odd reply.    

          • Ray in VT

            That’s as good a representation of his comments as any.  Odd sometimes doesn’t begin to describe it.

          • Gregg

            Look past the bombast. Sanger was what Moda describes, a proponent of eugenics for racial purity. The roots of PP are not pretty.

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t particularly know much about Sanger, but I do think that she was unfortunately involved with that movement.  It was a pretty disturbing event in our history.

            There are some who currently promote the idea that PP is still engaged actions working towards that end.

          • Gregg

            I wouldn’t say that. I am very bad at going down roads I don’t mean to. I was just trying to show that Moda’s comment had a basis and I find most of the time they do. 

          • Ray in VT

             Yeah, I certainly didn’t mean to suggest that you did.  So is he kind of like the National Enquirer in that regard?  Sensationalistic headline with a grain of a fact in there somewhere.

          • Gregg

            More than a grain. The National Enquirer broke the John Edwards saga and The NYT covered it up.

          • Ray in VT

            From my perspective I was being generous to give Moda that grain.  There are a couple of things that he’s posted that have made me think, but I find most of it to be over the top or just straight-up ridiculous.  I find you to be much more interesting to communicate with.

          • Anonymous

            http://www.npr.org/2011/11/09/142097521/how-birth-control-and-abortion-became-politicized

            “She founds a journal called the Birth Control Review, and she asks [Paul] Poponoe, [the co-author of Applied Eugenics] to contribute to it. … These eugenicists that Sanger is courting are actually generally opposed to birth control because they considered it, and Poponoe writes at the time, that ‘birth control is the reverse of eugenics.’ So what someone like Poponoe believes is that the population can be improved by encouraging the fit to biologically reproduce and by discouraging the unfit to reproduce. Poponoe’s objection to birth control is that it is widely used and has already been widely used by the people he considers to be the fit. So Poponoe refers to Sanger and the likes of Sanger as ‘sob sisters’ who are interested in giving women the right to control their reproductive processes, which has nothing to do with eugenics. …
            “Sanger was opposed to abortion, and the birth control movement was always, in those decades, was about making contraception more readily available to women to reduce the abortion rate.”

          • TFRX

            Mary Elizabeth, you should probably count yourself lucky that Moda didn’t refer to you as a harpy, shrew or harridan, if not an outright man.

            Moda has a thing for misogynistic, anti-gay/lesbian, and cross-gender insults. One of them must have been a hit when he was in second grade, I guess.

      • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

        I see you have the courage of your convictions by signing your name.  There are Planned Parenthood clinics all over the place.

  • Tlyell

    Why is it always men commenting on how women should find healthcare? That said, Jack is correct in his comments about how many people are prochoice (which is not synonymous to “pro-abortion” which is a foolish and crass term).
    Again, I ask, how Republicans can cry out for smaller government except when it comes to restricting the rights of others? (small enough to fit into my bedroom, as is said).
    i DO understand those who feel/worry about when life begins, but let us agree that WE DON’T “KNOW” ….we have beliefs and evidences but let the Komen Fndtn do what they want (or are strong armed to do) and let PP go separately.
    In the end, I want to know what the anti-choice people are ready to do for those unwanted children AFTER they are born?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      The anti-choice people are ready to let those children SUFFER, after they are born!  Look at the Catholics!  If they CARED about the children, they would have stopped the pervert priests DECADES ago!  Even with the publicity of it in many countries, they HIDE and PROTECT the pervert priests, and PUNISH their VICTIMS!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I used to work for Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts in Commonwealth Ave beside Stop and Shop near BU and no comment working with them and they pay good.

    • TFRX

      On the subject of Susan G. Komen (or charlatans pretending to be interested in healthcare), I want to know: How far was the nearest quack “pregnancy crisis center” from that particular PP office?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        They have Satellite offices all over Boston and the Worcester area. Komen is a front of something suspicious that companty gives me the CREEPS. At least you know the goal of Planned Parenthood is to provide AB. Komen is all about money.

  • Ron Gaykema

    The religion’s “moral” stand on abortion and contraception is a false one, as women taking full ownership over their own bodies is a threat to the paternalistic crowd, as they need to retain power and control. The same for the GOP conservatives: it is gaining power and control, nothing else. A typical human trait to dominate and humiliate others if they can.

  • Modavations

    President ObAMA,TAKE A BOW.gOOD EMPLOYEMENT numbers!!Righteous

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      He is doing a good job not great but acceptable. I give him a B+

  • Akfakka

    What rights do any religion, or church have to dictate our lives?
    People are supposed to live free.How one lives his/her life is none of others goddamn business. At least most of us do not sexsully abuses children like some of the church people do. 

  • http://twitter.com/Dave_Eger Dave Eger

    I love how the people who want to protect fetuses don’t realize how “big government” of a concept that is. It seems like a distraction to get people to talk about something other than what the politicians are actually doing. In reality, it seems like something that the government shouldn’t have a say in at all. 

    I also find it ironic that the same people who push for personifying fetuses tend to objectify women. So fetuses should  be persons just like corporations are, but women should just do what they are told and stay out of matters too complex for them to understand.

    • Greyman

      You seem to see both sides of the coin well enough: some people see government provision of abortion services as the “big government” participation that alarms them. The issue does then seem “like something that the government shouldn’t have a say in at all.”

      Personifying fetuses in order to reify women is also objectionable in the same way that some abortion opponents favor capital punishment: a consistent pro-life position has merits of its own. But treating a fetus as unwanted genetic goo or in the same category as a cancerous tumor or an inflamed appendix is not quite accurate from a medical, scientific, or purely human perspective, either. My concern remains not that women have no say in the matter of abortion provision: my position remains, though, that I will not support “abortion rights” until women are in position to generate their own pregnancies spontaneously–THEN, the argument “it’s our bodies” will attain merit, but not until. Conception, because it is a SOCIAL ACT (even in its in vitro settings), cannot legitimately be construed as “a women’s issue” alone. Cannot. Abortion is no remedy for male irresponsibility, if that’s how women prefer to frame the issue.

      • Brett

        No, conception is not a social act, it is a biological one. Sex is the social act, as is in vitro fertilization. Pregnancy can result from the social act known as sex, just as pregnancy can result from the social act of in vitro fertilization. 

        In as much as I’m not really interested in your arguments about men’s roles in determining what women do with their bodies (simply because it’s all been said before, and I am more interested in practical solutions and their effects on a given problem rather than a moral justification that is designed to support a person’s opinions). Both men and women are to be responsible for their behaviors (this includes the act of sex). We can agree on this, but you seem to be using the argument that because men participate in sex acts with women, they should have an equal voice in what a woman does with her body after the sex act. Men provide sperm in exchange for sex is basically the act you’re saying gives men the right to tell women what to do with their bodies after the fact. I gave a friend of mine a bunch of used bricks a few weeks ago; we had fun that day. He wanted  to build a walkway from his gazebo to his kitchen. He appreciated my provision of materials. I didn’t even once feel that because I had a good time, and because I provided the materials, that I should dictate to him how his walkway needed to be constructed. I also didn’t even feel I had a right to participate in the decision-making process; but, by your logic, I should have?Maybe if you could prove that a large percentage of men providing sperm in an act of sex with a woman are so desiring to be fathers–that they want the lion’s share of control over the responsibility in the decision-making process to have the child–then you might have some basis for your position. 

        • Greyman

          By invoking an inapt metaphor (by invoking any metaphor at all, when it comes to these issues), you do not advance an argument or a practical solution. Mischaracterization of my argument is not necessarily fruitful, either: I don’t argue that men SHOULD have an equal voice concerning abortion provision, I simply say that men DO have an equal voice. Equal, just as much, no more, no less. How unwanted pregnancies occur in this day and age baffles and boggles my mind enough: but then we human beings are careless in all kinds of circumstances, aren’t we? I concede that men and women both engage in sex acts indiscriminately and irresponsibly. I also continue to insist that scientifically, medically, and socially, a fetus is not mere genetic goo on the level of a tumor or an inflamed appendix (I more expected the counter-argument about what favors we perform for the aborted by denying them entrance to a world fraught with such complications). And because it remains the case that women cannot and do not generate their own pregnancies spontaneously, the fact remains that conception and abortion cannot-CANNOT-be construed simply as “a women’s issue”. It’s a human issue, affecting all of us. (We haven’t even broached the statistical argument that, ostensibly, most of the fetuses being aborted are female.)

          • kelty

            It is not equal because men only are involved for the time it takes to have sex while a woman might spend the next 10 months of her life with the results of that contact – to me, that is NOT equal. 

          • Greyman

            Then your quarrel is also with the entire natural process of human gestation, and I can’t begin to say where to lodge that complaint. –You say men ONLY are involved for the time it takes to have sex? Ever? Men never provide any kind of support, material or emotional, economic or otherwise, for their partners? Men and women need to decide whether they think they can afford to dispense with the institution of marriage as glibly as they prefer to think: I am not persuaded by arguments that they can, however, not even in our brave new world of contemporary biological sciences. 

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Men can use contraceptives, IF they don’t want to get a girl or woman pregnant!
               If they don’t use contraceptives, they should treat the girl or woman as if she IS pregnant!
               MOST do, they LEAVE!

          • kelty

            You cannot say men have a equal choice no more no less if they are not the one’s doing the heavy lifting. That is like saying there is a horse and wagon and the driver is working as hard as the horse. Women put their health and, sometimes, life on the line to carry a pregnancy to full term. Men may support them, but they don’t always do so. Can you say that men always support the women they inpregnate? No, you can’t, because history has shown over and over again that many don’t. You can’t even say woman are always equal partners in sex. There are many men who rely on deceit, lies, manipulation,or force to get sex and then the woman is left, literally,to deal with the result and the condemnation of those who judge them for it. It is not, nor will it ever be, equal.    

          • Greyman

            Permit me to risk repeating myself: a woman’s carrying her unborn child to term IS the measure of equality, at least as far as human gestation is concerned. Men die from all sorts of self-inflicted mayhem that women are commonly exempt from, generation to generation: never forget that men prey upon each other, often with great ferocity. I never hear women clamoring to staff any country’s armed forces on their own. Men bear their own weights of equality. Id est: equality is recognized in gender-specific idioms.

          • kelty

            Men do not only prey on each other, they also prey on women and children. In fact, humans prey on each other all the time. Plus, in case you have forgotten, women serve in the military in increasing numbers and have been killed in action. Women have fought to be treated as equals in the military and be allowed to serve on the front lines. They serve with distinction and it is mainly men making the decisions to keep them from the front lines. How many female service members need to be raped by their fellow service men because the Military treats them as less than equal and condones the violence against them as an excuse that they are not as capable.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            WHAT mahem do men inflice ONLY on men, and NOT on women and children”?
              Violence is usually carried out against those smaller, or in some way seen to be weaker than the attacker!  Men attack and damage women and children MORE than they do other men!

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Reads like you support ‘rapist rights’ to procreate MORE rapists, at the expense of VICTIMS’ Rights, to NOT carry the progeny of those rapists?

    • skeptic4321

      I find it ironic that Christians adopt a pro-life position when the god of Christianity is clearly not pro-life- this is supported by the bible itself and consideration of all the spontaneous abortions and miscarriages in the course of human history.  Aside from religion, the risk of maternal death is far greater for carrying a pregnancy to term than an elective abortion – also, consider the potential problems associated with government intervention in reproductive choices – but it seems reason may never play a significant role in the positions and decison making of the pro-lifers who claim their position and decisions are based on religion/god.

  • meri ratzel

    things are so seen unseen/ what do we have here? why should women be forced to choose whether they want to support breast cancer research OR reproductive health..who is asking us to choose….it’s bad philanthropic practice for one organization to drive contributions from one to the other by slandering another’s mission….unfortunately if that’s what the giving climate is like I’m going to have to find another way to contribute to breast cancer research

  • Anonymous

    John McCormack obviously never had to get a prescription form of birth control for himself and therefore can casually dismiss the importance of the attacks on Planned Parenthood.  For many women in two generations, the ability to determine their own fate has depended on access to the services provided by PP.  The grant from Komen may be insignificant relative to the overall budget but the presence of PP in the lives of millions of women can not be overestimated.  The blow back experienced by Komen is proportionate to the misstep of the right.

  • http://twitter.com/nontoxicissexy Mia Davis

    Glad that OnPoint will be diving deep into Komen, PPFA, and more on Monday. Let’s shift the conversation to disease prevention, and what we really can do to
    for women’s health… not just politics and corporate-cause marketing!

    I hope that you’ll address Komen’s “pinkwashing” as a part of all of this (where the $ goes, the elusive search for the cure, etc), and I suggest the following as resources for the show
    * my article in Environmental Justice called Pastel Injustice: The Use of Pinkwashing for Profit
    * Breast Cancer Fund, the national org. working to eliminate/reduce env. links to breast cancer: http://www.breastcancerfund.org
    * Also: MA Breast Cancer Coalition, Breast Cancer Action

    Thank you, OnPoint! You’re wonderful.

  • Jmc

    if women and men are truly bothered by the Koman move they should commit to protest in numbers at the events, it would be interesting to see the opposition to the foundation outnumber the actual participants.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I used to see 13 to 16 yr old girls getting pregnant and Planned Parenthood don’t do abortion only. they give those kids counciling after the AB.

    • Ray in VT

      They also provide contraception and medical screenings.  The idea that their main business is abortion is just preposterous.

      • Gregg

        I disagree and I’m pro-choice. It’s not preposterous at all. What is preposterous is the lie.

        http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/50916

        • Ray in VT

          The author of this piece basically describes Planned Parenthood as an abortion mill.  That this statement:

          “Sure, while they are there, Planned Parenthood can tell them where to
          get a mammogram and hand them a box of rubbers and pretend they are
          providing eleventy other services to get that number down to 3%. But
          those women are there for abortions. Do not pretend otherwise.”

          He also say that “pro-abortion” forces are prone to hysteria.  This guy is definitely not an unbiased observer.  Let’s take, for the sake of argument, that his 16% number is closer to the mark.  Even if that is the case, then still the vast majority of their business is not abortion.

          • kelty

            Load o crap – I and many others use or used PP for health care when going to the Drs was too expensive – they always showed they cared about me as an individual and supported me when I needed help.

          • Gregg

            I’m sure they have, fine. My problem is public funding and I don’t for a minute believe the separation argument. They get federal funds and they do hundreds of thousands of abortions a year. It doesn’t matter which pocket they get the funds from, it’s the same pair of pants.

          • Ray in VT

            Do you buy that same argument when it comes to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce?  A lot of people on the left made a similar argument when it came to their receiving foreign funds, and conservatives roundly rejected the notion.  Not really apples to apples, but what are your thoughts in that case?

          • Gregg

            I’m not trying to cop out Ray but I know nothing about the issue you cite. I can only tell you my view on this is not rooted in politics.

          • Ray in VT

            The basic argument was that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce was using the separation argument to use foreign funds to influence elections, which is prohibited by law.  I think that it was either last summer or way back in 2010 that the issue flared up.

          • Gregg

            Byyourdescription I would put them in the same boat.This is it for this thread, too small.

          • Brett

            Separation argument? The books have to be inspected to ensure the accounting IS separated. Funding is withheld if the accounting is not correct. Are you saying that you don’t believe that proper accounting is happening? If so, your evidence?

          • Ray in VT

            Gregg will be more than happy to tell you that he is just opposed to public funding.

          • Ray in VT

            Not that I mean to speak for you, Gregg.

          • Gregg

            You did fine.

          • Gregg

            No, I’m saying it’s all the same and accounting doesn’t change that.

          • Brett

            Then you are either engaging in cognitive dissonance or hyper-political narrative control if you disregard facts about the accounting issue. When you said you didn’t buy the “separation argument,” what did you mean, then? …Frankly, I’m not sure I follow you. If the new system of accounting better ensures that there will be no blurring of funding and that no funding will mistakenly be  applied to abortion, then you think what, this is bad? THe only thing I can think of that would make your mindset make sense to me would be if you felt there should be no federal money for any health service/concern, period.     

          • Gregg

            Alright, we’re getting into the weeds but it’s my fault. I should put it this way, I don’t think the separation argument is valid. I don’t doubt the existence of it.

            I was talking about abortion, not every medical procedure. As a non-christian pro-choice person I have the utmost respect for Christians as well as those that have religious OR moral objections to abortion. The reason is questions like when does a life become a person or what happens after we die are above my pay grade. They are above everybody’s pay grade, no one knows. That respect dictates they not be forced to pay for something they find moral or religious objections to. It’s not like the questions can be answered.

          • Brett

            Okay, thanks, that does bring clarity. So, the issue is about paying for abortion through taxes (or someone who is morally opposed to paying for abortion through their taxes, I should say). Fair enough. You say you approach that from the standpoint of wanting to honor and respect the Christian view; also fair.   But, tax payers don’t pay for abortions (as per Hyde Act and the Healthcare Law) except in cases if incest and rape. So, does the argument become no abortion funding even in cases of rape and incest? Or is the question, “I don’t want to pay taxes for something I’m morally opposed to?” Neither question is very reasonable for a civilized society. If people disregard the facts about the Healthcare Law as it pertains to this issue (how more stringent accounting ensures that abortion will only be federally funded for rape or incest), then it makes all of those quasi-clever arguments moot. One can’t say that his/her opposition to abortion is federal funding then, when a mechanism is introduced to ensure funding stays separated, rejects such regulation. 

            When folks conclude that “Obamacare” loosens regulations on federally funded abortions, or that it makes those morally opposed to abortion pay for abortion through taxes, this is about as dishonest a stance as one can have.   

          • Gregg

            I think it has a basis. If you can stand it look at this. I’m sure you hate the source but can you argue the point? I gotta go.

            http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/20/video-gop-introduces-ban-on-federal-funding-for-abortion/

          • Terry Tree Tree

            YOU can’t keep money from your copyrights from funding a new stall in your horse barn, and still build the new stall?
               I’ll bet you CAN keep it separate on paper, for IRS?

        • skeptic4321

          Pro-life?  I am neutral in this matter but I cannot understand why Christians adopt this position solely based on supposed religious presuppositions.  The god of Christianity is clearly not pro-life-  read the bible and consider all the spontaneous abortions and miscarriages in the course of human history.  Aside from religion, consider the fact that the risk of maternal death is far greater for carrying a pregnancy to term than an elective abortion and the potential problems associated with government intervention in reproductive choices – but reason and science don’t seem to play much in the desicion making of the pro-life mantras.

          • Gregg

            I don’t view abortion as a religious issue. Which ever side you’re on it’s still taking a life. That makes a very personal, heavy decision. There are plenty of atheist who oppose it.

          • Ray in VT

            It is a religious decision for many, but not for all.  I don’t view it as taking a life in the same sense as drowning your baby after it’s born.  If you regard it as such, then do you consider it to be murder, and if so, then how do you justify being pro-choice?  Just questions, not attacks.

            My problem with the issue as a whole is that I don’t want politicians and religious figures being able to influence that highly personal decision that my wife and I could potentailly have to make at some point.

          • Gregg

            I said “life” not person. Regarding murder, if you kill a pregnant woman you can be charged with the murder of 2 if the victim is far enough in the pregnancy. So there’s that. The continuum of your example goes back before birth. I think the use of the term “murder” to describe abortion is a bit provocative so I don’t go there.  

            See if this bit of honesty works for you. I believe it is acceptable to take a life in the first trimester if the mother is of age or has parental consent and public funds are not used. I’m not bragging but I’ve got the cojones to say it and believe many on both sides would do well to agree on that much.

          • Ray in VT

            There are many who do describe abortion as murder, which is why I used it, although I don’t believe it to be the case.  I guess that that begs the question of when does a fetus become a person.

            I pretty much agree with your position.  I think that they can sometimes be justified past the end of the first trimester.  I know that personally I get less comfortable supporting abortion the further along the pregnancy gets.  My wife and I have talked about this quite a bit over the years.  Ultimately, though, I think that the decision should be made by the people most intimately involved.

          • Ed Siefker

            There are no good arguments that it’s not acceptable to take a life.  We take lives all day, every day.  Not one of us has had a meal that didn’t involve the deaths of millions of organisms. 

            What matters is personhood.  Personhood requires a functioning neocortex, which isn’t developed until the third trimester. 

            During the third trimester the line is a little blurry.  Before the third trimester there’s no doubt.  It’s just a lump of cells.

          • Gregg

            I thought we were talking about humans, how silly of me.

          • Ed Siefker

             Human life is not identical to   There’s nothing magical about human DNA that makes it superior to anything else.  personhood. 

          • Gregg

            Alrighty then.

          • BHA in Vermont

            Yep, a Catholic friend of mine years ago said he would rather have his daughter kill someone than have an abortion. Clearly giving preference to the unborn (and potentially never born anyway given the percentage of pregnancies that spontaneously abort).

          • Ray in VT

            Damn.  That’s pretty hardcore.

          • BHA in Vermont

            Yeah, sure surprised me.

          • Ray in VT

            Was that here in VT?  Vermonters sometimes surprise me how little they care about other people’s business.  I thought that I would rile up my old, generally conservative (relatively) father back in 2000 by asking him about Civil Unions.  He told me that he didn’t care if two guys got married.  We live in an interesting state.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Catholics support Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse.  What else would you expect from a Catholic?

          • Ed Siefker

             What secular reason could there possibly be not to remove an unwanted growth?

          • Gregg

            “Unwanted growth”? You give us pro-choicers a bad name.

          • Ed Siefker

            Are there secular reasons  to consider a fetus anything else?

        • Ed Siefker

          Nothing in that article indicates any sort of dishonesty.  It’s entirely probable that abortions make up 3% of PP’s services, but 16% of their revenue.  That just means that abortions are higher margin services.  This is high school economics. 

          Notice that also means that the profits from abortions are disproportionately funding non-abortion health services.  If they cut abortion, they’d have to spend less on pap smears and aids tests. 

          • Gregg

            Great point.

  • JP

    Despite Brainsdead’s rants to the contrary, the CONSERVATIVE Wall Street Journal states that TODAY’S JOBS NUMBERS REPRESENT REAL IMPROVEMENT.

    “Whenever the unemployment rate drops, economically savvy observers know to ask a key question: What happened to the employment-population ratio?

    Under the government’s definitions, people only count as unemployed when they’re actively looking for work. So when the unemployment rate drops, it could mean that unemployed people found jobs, or it could mean that they gave up looking for work. The employment-population ratio, which measures how many people are actually working, is harder to fool.

    Today’s jobs report carries good news on both fronts. The unemployment rate fell, and the employment-population ratio rose. That means the improvement in the labor market is real — people actually found jobs.”

    No matter how badly Republicans screw our economy, Democrats can always be counted on to turn things back to prosperity!

  • Gregg
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:

    Susan G. Komen for the Cure to restore Planned Parenthood breast cancer screening funds, Sen. Frank Lautenberg says

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

      Plain folks getting noisy pays off.

      • Gregg

        As evidenced by the Tea Party in 2010.

        • Yar

          Plain old Koch brothers?

          • Ablebodiedlady

            As opposed to Soros, Hollywood mafia types.

  • no name

    This is supposed to be a news analysis show.  Why was I forced to listen to a diatribe from your right wing extremist that consisted of how he is personally opposed to giving money to any organization that doesn’t condemn freedom of choice. If I wanted to listen or read a bunch of dudes going on and on about their personal opposition to womens’ right to health care I’d read their junk magazines.

    And then, of course, your guy who is supposed to provide a slighty less right wing view point of view is simply quiet.  Great.

    Don’t advertise a show as being about analysis if your show is going to about the personal political view points dead white guys.

    • Ablebodiedlady

      I choose not to read your post.  Next time change the channel. Blessings.

  • kelty

    SGK has reinstated PP funding!  

    • TomK in Boston

      Right. However I predict that on the next round of grant proposals, even tho PP is totally eligible, they just won’t quite make the cut.

      SGK claimed that bringing on board the radical control freak handel, who hates PP, had nothing to do with cutting PP. They must think people are really naive and stupid, to fall for that one. Geez, if you believe that, you’d believe anything, like that low taxes at the top is good for the middle class…..oops.

      • kelty

        Yes, Tom , you are correct. I had almost added “too little-too late”,  but I should have. After reading their decision, I realized there was really no change in their position at all. PP will still loose out in the end. Handel is a tool (if you can say that @ a woman). I have also found out that local affiliates, even if they opposed the Natl’s decision are forced to give the Nat’l 25% of all their fundraising, so you cannot even support a local chapter w/out the Nat’l one benefiting from it. It’s a disgrace. No more “Pink” crap for me and I have already started informing other corporate sponsers that I will no longer supoort them if they continue their support of SGK. PP supports health care needs of women and men in much more diverse ways than SKG’s piddilly support for just screening amounts to – my support goes fully to PP. 

  • no name

    Whether you agree or disagree with the Komen Fund decision, it highlights a fundamental problem with corporate charitable giving.  Whether a donor contributes to a specific charitable cause (such as the Komen fund) and then that charity subsequently donates to a second entity, or a consumer buys a product from a corporation that in turn uses its profits to donate to a cause it chooses, in either case the donor is denied the option to make that choice on his own.  Not only can this result in his contribution going to a cause he does not support (eg., Planned Parenthood), but more significantly he loses the positive feeling of goodwill received from directly helping a good cause.  Can this be why charitable giving is down?  We suffer higher costs as consumers so that corporations have room in their budgets for charitable contributions and tax write-offs.  We lose the opportunity to transform our own hearts with the generosity of spirit we experience in choosing and owning a good cause.

    • Ablebodiedlady

      Charity starts at home, probably should stay there.

  • Gregg

    To Brett with apologies to all for coming up top with this. Those boxes get too small.

    Again, I am not talking about the honesty of the view although I could go there regarding the press and presentation of certain views. I realize my agreement with what you think is absurd is a little shocking to some. But yes, I think it is on purpose because I don’t think anyone could be this dumb. I am not alone. A very strong case can be made. I suppose we could debate it but to what end? We’ll never agree. If you honestly think Obama is this inept or are still blaming Bush somehow then that’s your right. I wouldn’t call it dishonest, just wrong.

    Funny, I’ll bet we could get along better if we were talking about the ambiguity of the third in blues.

    • Brett

      Much of the discussions would go better on this forum if people were face to face. Something gets lost in tone sometimes, I feel. 

      If, by “the third” in Blues, you mean going from the I to the III, as in a I, III, IV kind of progression, then, YES!!! I just wrote a song which uses that ‘Georgia On My Mind’ kind of progression but with a diminished after the IV, then back to the V in resolution and a IV, VII, II progression for the bridge…it’s great fun. I seem to remember your main instrument is a piano? 

      • Gregg

        I almost quit but this is worth sitting back down. I was actually talking about the use of the minor third over a major chord in blues. Some call it a raised ninth which is accurate. Either way it’s pure blues.

        “Georgia on my mind” has those wonderful 13 chords with the #11. Great stuff. I’m sure your song rocks… or swings… or elicits the emotion of choice. 

        Yes, piano. You? This time I really am going, I’ve been in my studio all morning and haven’t gotten much done. It’s beautiful outside today.

        • Brett

          My primary instrument is guitar (working a lot now on chord comping, walking in between chords, and so on) with some variations on various other stringed instruments (and I have been a jazz drummer for most of my life)…But, yes, the minor third over a major chord; I like the haunting melancholy quality of those notes together…

          • Gregg

            I’m not trying to be nosy but I have no idea what part of the Country you play in. These days I don’t often get farther than NC, SC, TN, VA and WV. Do you play in those circles? Not that I want to start a band, just curious.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            It’s cool that you two found something that you AGREE on, and have an interest in!
               I doubt that I will ever hear you two perform together, but I’ll bet it would be good, at least!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    We argue about Abortion and moral issues and use the bible to defend our arguement or religion but if we read the old testament. there are endless violence committed by God.
    The Great Flood, The Sodom and Gomorrah, Cain and Abel and the verse continue.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      When the Bible is actually violence itself.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        From the creation of the first man and woman and the from crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The Bible is full of violence. I am Roman Catholic and I know my religion well.

        • TomK in Boston

          The old testament is the best for violence. Where it covers israel’s wars, there’s lots of good stuff like killing a guy by pounding a tent peg through his head or ripping out eyeballs with pruning hooks, leaving some bad guy’s body out till it’s devoured by various birds and insects, etc.

        • david

          Who is man that he questions the actions of a Holy God??? Are you saying that God is a God of violence or is He a God of righteous judgment??

          • Terry Tree Tree

            AGREED!

  • Dee

    Re:General Dempsey ‘s warning to the Israelis on Iran 

    General Martin Dempsey left out a very important part 
    of his warning to Israeli officials on a possible Iranian strike.

    I believe he should have told them to prepare to be homeless
    and stateless as outraged people in the US and around the world will demand their state be shut down as as ruthlessness 
    and lawness entity they will no longer tolerate. Dee 

    The Courage to Refuse….
    http://www.seruv.org.il/english/article.asp?msgid=77&type=article

    • Plushkin

       waiting for a mandatory addendum on that drivel

    • Hidan

       Great link,

      Keep it up.

      I also Found this

      The history of the Conflict by Professor Charles Smith

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3AjnmDWDC8

      Also found this by Professor Jeff Halper talk on Israeli framing the middle east.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZGGdhopfNA

    • Ablebodiedlady

      I think we’ll do whatever they tell us to do, that’s how it works.  Bennie what say you?

  • TomK in Boston

    The big picture of what’s going on in the USA is the oligarch’s time machine reversing all the progress since FDR.  It fits perfectly to have anti-choice police state tactics bring back the good old days of unsafe abortion mills. And while we’re at it, let’s bust unions some more and redistribute more wealth to the top. 19′th century here we come!

    Throughout history evil men have told us exactly what they were going to do, but we’ve been shocked when they actually did it. grover norquist and the randists said they wanted to “starve the beast” so gvt could no longer fulfill its normal function, and “starve the beast” is in full swing! Cut taxes, blow trillions on wars, run up a deficit, and every time the USA actually needs something you can say “sorry, we’re broke”. The right says “we’re broke” all the time. They don’t add, and we made you broke, so we could cut your program.

    Data on corporate taxes today:

    “Corporate tax receipts as a share of profits are at their lowest level in at least 40 years.Total corporate federal taxes paid fell to 12.1% of profits earned from activities within the U.S. in fiscal 2011, which ended Sept. 30, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That’s the lowest level since at least 1972. And well below the 25.6% companies paid on average from 1987 to 2008.”

    Anyone think that might have something to do with starving the beast? Meanwhile, the TeaOP really, really, wants to cut corporate taxes. That will let them holler “we’re broke” even louder. 

    It might be hard to understand why a faction that howls about the bad ‘ol deficit and the bad ‘ol debt so much would also want to increase those so-bad things by their obsession with tax cuts. Once you realize that the real goal is to starve the beast and transfer all the wealth to the top, it all makes perfect sense.

    • Ablebodiedlady

      Raise taxes, decelerate depreciation expense recognition, then we’ll see what happens to employment!

      • Tofumilk

        I’m tired of hearing about how raising taxes leads to unemployment. Since I’ve been back in this country I’ve been working for contract firms, those who stand between the company and the worker to get a cut of the pie. That is not “job creation”, it is simply getting paid for the work of others. Your “job creators” are greedy and don’t contribute to a healthy long lasting economy.

        • Anonymous

          How can they when so many are only driven by quarterly profits.

          • Gregg

            How do you create jobs without profit?

        • Still Here

          Only the government can afford to employ more people than they need, pay them more than their worth, make them work less than than need to, keep them if they don’t perform and give them generous retirement benefits.  I wonder how the government gets to do that.

  • Gregg

    President Obama in his National Prayer Breakfast said (among other things), “Living by the principle that we are our brother’s keeper, caring for the poor and those in need.” 

    It’s distressing to me to see him twist the meaning of the phrase to push for higher taxes. No, God did not tell Obama to raise taxes. Things like this usually bother people.

    • Still Here

      I think he gets God and Pelosi mixed up.

    • Tim E

      In the Hebrew Scriptures, from where the brother’s keeper idea comes, setting aside a percentage of income for the poor was nationally mandated. It was prescribed to be part of the national system.

      • david

        Your problem Tim E is today we are no longer under the Old Law but under the Law of Jesus Christ. Hebrews 7:11-12 ; 8:13 ; 9:15-17
        Nowhere in Christ’s Law does He command the govt. to take from the people and then give it to the poor.
        Jesus commands each individual Christian to care for the poor who are poor by circumstance and not by choice.
        Obama is playing politics to his own peril.
        He has misused the scriptures for his own political gain. A very bad mistake!

        • Zero

          “…poor by choice…”  There is this thing called reality and you should try joining it.

          • Gregg

            The reality is for the vast majority being poor or being rich is a choice. To assume every poor person is a victim is no more logical than to assume no rich person ever sacrificed and earned it. It’s wacky.

          • Zero

             It’s not all an individual struggle, Gregg.  I grew up with a lot more opportunity than the poor, and I cannot and will not tell someone to “work harder” who did not have the same opportunity.  That is immoral. 

          • Gregg

            To me the immorality is convincing someone they hard work will not create opportunity. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

          • Gregg

             ”…that hard work…”

          • Zero

            My father was a  CEO at GE Capital.  If I don’t someone who grew up on food stamps (when I drove a BMW during my free college education) to “work harder” I would be a monster.  Once everybody has the same shot at a college education, then your “work harder” mentality has water.  But you need to realize that we live in an ambivalent world, where it is not all individuality and it is not all society’s fault. 

        • Zero

          Jesus doesn’t talk about homosexuality or abortion at all, but conservatives are very public about that.  Jesus does indeed rant against the rich…Jesus hates the rich…Jesus said all the rich are going to burn in hell, but Jesus would never raise taxes on the rich 3%.

          Wake up!  Every thing you said is nonsense.

          • Hidan
          • david

            Not so!
            From the word of God, Jesus and God the Father are one and Jesus represents “the word of God” Jo.1:1
            Eternal civil laws:
            * You shall not murder.
            * Exodus 21:22-23 if you cause the death of the unborn, penalty is life for life.
            * 1 Cor.6:9-10 Homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.
            Jesus never stated all rich would burn in hell, only if those riches cause them to be disobedient to God’s commands.

          • Zero

             No, you missed one of the biggest moral issue in the Bible: that it is immoral to not stop suffering when one has the means to do so.  That is why Jesus hates rich people. 

            The Exodus quotation, I believe is if two men are grappling and a bystander pregnant woman is injured.  It is still not a clear-cut law about abortion, so it remains a obscure issue.

            As for the Corinthians passage: again I said Jesus never talked about homosexuality and that remains true.  You can go by what Jesus said, or you can be a pick and chose Christian in order to maintain your right wing ideology.  If you are going to say that the entire New Testament is valid, then Women should not talk in church, for example. 

        • Gregg

           “He has misused the scriptures for his own political gain.”

          Bingo.

      • Gregg

        If Obama was serious he would send $20 to his brother who lives on $12/year in a hut in Africa. So there’s that.

        But origin of the phrase has no relation to anything you describe. It was a smart ass remark. Cain killed his brother Abel. When God asked him what happened Cain replied, “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

        Obama knows this and is being devious.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          How do you know whether President Obama sends money or other support to his relatives in Kenya, or not?

    • Anonymous

      It’s distressing to read your regressive comments.

      • Gregg

         That was deep man.

    • Zero

       Have you ever read the Bible?  You think God likes rich people…?

      • Gregg

        Yes, and I’m not even sure there is a God but if the legend is true he LOVES everyone.

        My point is about Obama.

        • Hidan

           Yea if you dismiss World History.  The legend of God is about as real as legends of vampire werewolfs, Zeus,

          As George Carlin Put it.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

          • Gregg

            That made no sense whatsoever.

          • Hidan

            You made a comment god is a loving god is what you know. Only someone that dismisses World History could believe such a statement. 

          • Gregg

            If you think God is evil, fine. I’m not going to discuss religion with you. Do you have an objection to Obama misusing the scriptures for political gain? 

          • Hidan

            If there is a god than clearly it’s amoral at best and evil at worst. Just take the Jim Crow south the heart land of believers who would go to church than right after lynch someone.

            As for an politician using scripture for political gains . The republican use it all the time, Newt, Perry,West,

            As I noted before your engaging in dishonesty by claiming obama is doing something no one else is/does.

          • Gregg

            “As I noted before your engaging in dishonesty by claiming obama is doing something no one else is/does.”

            Show me where I made that claim or shut up.

          • Hidan

              02/03/2012 07:04 PM

        • Terry Tree Tree

          I AGREE!  I feel that you can love everyone, but hate what they do. 
             Any good parent loves their child enough to discipline them when they do wrong. 
            If done right, it shows that the parent loves the child enough to teach the child ways to self-respect, and self love, which become love and respect for their fellow man woman, and child.

          • Modavations

            There is no way I’d leave you alone with a child.I keep think of Sandusky and TerryTTinterchangeably

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Moda claims repeatedly that lead and mercury in his childhood had NO adverse effects on him?
              Moda makes WILD claims about the abilities of his guppy, repeatedly, over months of comments? 
               Moda has repeatedly made claims of getting ‘limp-wristed’ about many guys, including Barney Frank?
               Moda keeps claiming a top-notch Boston College education, and makes the second-grade grammar and punctuation of the above comment?
               Moda insults me with the insinuation of child-molesting?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I wish that the disgusting example of Moda’s comments had been left, for ALL to see!  
               MANY, if not ALL that saw it, would give Moda the credence that he deserves?  Meaning they would IGNORE any of his comments?

        • Zero

           I’m an atheist, but I also care about how people interpret the Bible…because, like it or not, it is a tool for ideology building. 

          The brother’s keeper line is consistent with the morality that the rich should help the poor, which is a central theme throughout the text.

          • Gregg

            That’s my point, Obama is using the Bible as a tool for ideology building. Nobody is saying the rich shouldn’t help the poor.

            The brother’s keeper line is a smart ass reply having nothing at all to do with helping anyone.

          • Zero

             Hey, we are pretty much in agreement, but I have come to the reality that religion is just politics–and nobody proved that more than Bush during the 2000 election.  Every other word out of Bush’s mouth was “Jesus.” 

            As for the interpretation of the “Brother’s Keeper” line: it is line that speaks against the ideology of strict individuality.  And I still stick by want I said in the previous comment.

          • Gregg

            The origin of the line in the Bible meant nothing about taking care or the poor. Let me try it this way.

            If Obama was asked why he doesn’t help his own brother living in a hut on $12/year, his reply would likely be the same as Cain’s. In the Bible after Cain killed his brother Abel God asked him where Abel was. He replied, “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

            It was the equivalent of, “How the hell should I know, it’s not my week to watch him”. That’s where it come from.

          • Zero

            I completely disagree with your reading.  The story is a beautiful piece of literature and deeply theological and you are draining it to serve your own ideological purposes.  You and I are coming at it with two different hermeneutics–although the passage is not about taxes, it is about community looking out for your brother, loving your neighbor, and it is very much in line with the same philosophy that runs throughout the Bible where it is immoral for someone to not stop suffering when one has the means to do it.   

          • Gregg

            As a concept, “My brother’s keeper” may be what you say but the Bible tells a different story. It is what it is.

            http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4&version=KJV

            You have to read only 9 verses to get to the money line.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Mr. Obama acted stupidly when he attempted to tie Jesus’ teachings to the morality of higher taxes on the rich.  I bet he now has deep regrets.

      Perhaps he received poor advice in writing the speech from the great Jesus scholar, David Axelrod.

      • Gregg

        Yes he did “act stupidly” unlike the Cambridge Police Department who did not.

        Good one.

    • Anonymous

      I expect God’s taking some time off influencing our governmental and political matters after choosing (at least in their mind) “W” and those members of “the Family” to lead our country in it’s time of trouble, to our great disadvantage and continuing harm.  No, more like the founding principles of our country that dictates the need for our luckiest and most fortunate to make a proportionate contribution to the advancement and preservation of the “common good”.  But, undoubtedly, Jesus and his true followers would agree.

  • Anonymous

    Was Obama right to include Catholic hospitals in birth control requirements? The $450 bill my wife received from a catholic hospital for a simple check during the h1n1 scare tells me that they are in it for money, not religion and charity. It was spelled out on the bill, our visit helped finance larger projects to make them competitive. The fact that it was covered on our insurance doesn’t make it right, it just adds to higher healthcare costs. An institution that expects to be set apart from from the fray needs to set themself apart from the fray.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      They use that money to protect perverted priests?

      • Gregg

         Let’s see if I understand you.

        All the rich are greedy.
        All the poor are victims
        All Catholics are child-molesting perverts.
        All Republicans hate clean air.
        All homosexuals will be warned not to hit to your manly self.

        What’s it like in your world?

        • Tofumilk

          Understand me or Terry? Because I said nothing of the sort. Put no words into another person’s mouth.

          • Gregg

            I clearly replied to TerryTreeTree not you. Are you feeling a little defensive?

        • Hidan

           failed humor.

          • Gregg

            There’s nothing funny about TTT’s generalizations. they’re hideous.

          • Hidan

            Are you ever honest ? Your previous comment Generalized what Terry has said. As for hideous one only has to read your comments about obama.

            Even in your responses your attempts at distortion are well known and pretty bad.

          • Gregg

            Have you ever read TTT’s comments? All I did was ask the question.

          • Modavations

            I agree with Gregg,for whatever it’s worth

          • Terry Tree Tree

            WHAT generalizations?
               I have explained the difference before, between the rich and the GREEDY rich.
               The Catholic church has used funds from Catholic Charities to protect and hide the pervert priests, proving that you cannot give anything to the Catholic church, without supporting the perverts!  Where is my logic flawed?

          • Modavations

            Were you molested?From where does your hatred spring?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You LIKE pedophiles?
               You SUPPORT pedophiles?
               You want to protect pedophiles?

          • Modavations

            Terry is a stalker,with a god complex.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Gregg,
             I explained the difference of rich and GREEDY rich, a few times before, including one directed to yourself, acknowledging your information about the program helping children.
             No, ALL the poor are NOT victims, as my Volunteer Fire Department has been broken into, and things have been stolen, by people we have helped, that will NOT work at anything honest!
             Catholics in many countries are AWARE of the Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse by ‘clergy’, whom they hold as ‘holy men’.  With the scale of this problem, ANY support Catholics give to their church just supports these criminals, until these attrocious acts are STOPPED, and the pervert clergy AND those that have helped them, are prosecuted for their crimes!
             Yes, I encourage ALL homosexuals males, to NOT make ANY passes at me, because I’m telling them now, that I am NOT interested.  Is that a problem, in ANY way?

          • Gregg

            I already told you I am not rich and I am greedy. I want as much as I can get. It helps me in my quest to make a better world.

            It looked to me like you implicated tofumilk in the support of perverts by going to a catholic hospital. Did you not?

            Do what you choose with homosexuals, I don’t care. What I object to is your generalizations. Why on earth do you assume gays are promiscuous and need to be told you’re not interested or they will make a move on you? I think it’s weird.

          • Modavations

            My friend you’re unbalanced.You’re one step from being Ultraz.If I have to hear GrEEEEEdy,GrEEEEeeedy rich,prevert friggin priests,or look at me I’m a friggin volunteer fire fighter……I have never seen a hysterical woman with such a “chip on hia/shoulder shoulder”.

          • Modavations

            on his/her shoulder

          • kelty

            Moda, get off Terry’s back because you have mistakenly perceived he is stalking you. He apparently insulted you and you are beyond offended. I am offended by most of your infantile, trash-talking, inane comments that generally make no sense and have no bearing whatsoever on any of the current discussions. It is all in your own puny, little, tiny, bigoted, intolerant mind. Don’t care if you are black, you are a bigot. Get over yourself.

          • Modavations

            infantile,trash talking,inane,puny,little,tiny, bigoted,intolerant!!!Just hate speech by scared men and women watching their world view crumbling.

            I make a point,he replies Meds.I make a point,he replies Mercury,I make a post,he replies lead poisoning.I make a point he replies guppies.If he made an intellectual point  along with the name calling you’d have a point.Stalking is what he is engaged in

          • kelty

            forgot one: pathetic

          • Hidan

             points are the last thing moda ever makes.

          • Modavations

            More lefty clairvoyance.I’m white

        • Modavations

          Who’s sicker Ultrax,or TTT.I still give it to Ultrax by a hair.Remember the movie Red Dragon,a spin off of the Hannibal Lechter movies.The sicko is played by the actor Finnes(?).I still see him standing above the pit where he holds his hostages before “offing”them.In one scene he’s glaring at his hostage holding his poodle.He’s dressed only in panties and a garter belt.His face is done in smudged lipstick.This to me,is our friend TTT

      • Modavations

        Priests are Democrats(social workers).Are you a Democrat?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          I certainly am NOT a perverted priest, NOR one that supports them!
             YOU support perverted priests?
              You seem to raise a fuss, when I bring this attrocity of the Roman Child-Molesting and Child-Abusing church up?
              Does that make you a pedophile?

          • Modavations

            Priests are Democrats(a species of social workers).If you’re a Democrat you support priests

      • Modavations

        Every Sunday between 11:00 and 12:00 noon,NPR does an hour of Church.They are colluding with Pervert Priests.T.Ashbrook make 350,000.00 per annum.He’s Greeeeeeedy,Greeeeeeeeeeeedy Rich

  • Tim E

    If the pro-choice bloc wants my support, they are going to have to start making a differentiation between late term fetuses and “the woman’s body.”  Sorry, but a seven, eight, or nine month old fetus is no one else’s body but the fetus’s.  I’m not a conservative; I’m not a Christian; I’m not even a theist.  But I know a human body when I see one.

    • kelty

      Try again Tim. Most woman who have late-term terminations do so for a particular reason, i.e there is something wrong with the fetus or there is a problem with the woman that continuing would put her health or life in jeapordy. The notion that a woman would just run to her local abortion clinic willy-nilly because she just dying to end her pregnancy is a load of BS. These are tough decisions made by woman every day and they do not deserve to be the fodder of other’s disdain. Try spending a day in the life of a woman who just found out that her fetus is so compromised that it will never live and she faces the possibity of never having children again. This happened to a friend of mine and it was heartbreaking.

      • Tim E

        Kelty, I would support regulated abortion in the third trimester for emergency situations like you describe, but the notion that killing a seven, eight, or nine month-old fetus is a private choice, not to be regulated by law, is absurd.  The rhetoric of the pro-choice bloc does not make any distinction between a one day-old embryo and a nine-month old fetus.  Neither does the law, and it should.

        • kelty

          Tim, You are wrong. There are already many restriction on late-term abortions, really anthing after the 1st trimester, but exceptions are given for extenuating circumstances such as I described. You CANNOT go into an abortion clinic at 4-5-6-7-8-9 months and get an abortion on demand. CANNOT!  There have been many attempts recently to make late-term abortions illegally NO MATTER WHAT and that it flat out wrong!

          • Tim E

            Kelty, Roe v. Wade decided that it is unconstitutional to deny abortions for any reason during the first trimester, but constitutional to place limited restrictions on abortion during the second trimester. Third trimester abortions can be proscribed by states, but Doe v. Bolton, issued on the same day as Roe v. Wade, stated that exceptions to third-trimester abortions must be made for the “health” of the mother, defined as “physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age.” The defined scope of the “health” exception is broad, and states are prohibited from proscribing abortion in the third trimester for these reasons.  I have never heard pro-choice rhetoric express a concern for the fetus in the third trimester; I have only heard “choice” and “it’s the woman’s body” rhetoric spoken in response to efforts to restrict late-term abortion.  If the pro-choice movement could express and enact more consideration for late-term fetus’s, there would be more chance that it would gain my sympathy and reduce my aversion to the movement.  I’m not “trying” anything here; I’m stating what prevents me from giving my support to the pro-choice movement, although I fully support embryonic abortion and would compromise for a twenty-week on-demand cutoff.

      • Tim E

        The fact that it is legal for a woman get a late-term abortion willy-nilly, and the fact that pro-choice rhetoric defends the right of a woman to get an abortion, irrespective of whether it is late term, or not, and the fact that you yourself imply that it is wrong to get a late-term abortion willy-nilly make my point. 

  • david

    The Susan G. Komen foundation was created to honor that lady for her struggle for LIFE. I find it very sad that her memory has been soiled by her foundation caving into political pressure (26 Democrats and the Planned Parenthood genocide machine) to restore money to a organization that destroys LIFE!
    Very disappointed in the Susan G. Komen Foundation.

    • Hidan

       Wow Genocide machine

      • david

        300,000+ abortions a year!!! PP’s main money maker. Yes! a genocide machine indeed!

        • Hidan

           So if PP is an genocide machine do you suggest the women and people working there be arrested and/or executed? how about the women having the abortions?

          Since you believe PP is an genocide machine and is therefore evil do you condone targeting of abortion doctors? How about the women who had the abortion?

          • david

            Hidan, I never used the word “trageting”, so please do not paint me as the Liberals do as some one who would condone violence against those who are ignorant of the evil they are doing!
            The “fetus” in a eagle egg and sea turtle egg is protected by Law!
            Try smashing either of these eggs in front of a wildlife officer and see where your excuses land you.
            I find it rather absurd that people cannot differentiate the difference in protecting fetuses in eggs and not human being fetuses in a woman!
            It is not ignorance, it is done in the name of convenience…
            As a Christian, God instructs me that this practice is indeed evil and will incur a judgment on those who are involved by Him and not me.
            People, think about what you are doing and approving.

  • Sofia

    Re the Susan G. Komen organization:  Even for a charity based in NYC, I think their Form 990s show a remarkable level of staff compensation and is the main reason I don’t give to them. They break out fundraising from administration in the annual report, but the total is 20+ %. Interesting to compare previous 990s with 2010-2011. Board and staff compensation show interesting shifts. And their ties to the RNC are interesting to follow.
     Is it really okay to personally profit from one’s charity work? They take advantage of their nonprofit status and are violating their mandate to be apolitical (all 501 (c) (3) organizations cannot be be involved in advocacy.
     
    You probably saw the Globe story a couple of years ago:  http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2009/10/04/sick_of_pink/
     
    even earliner on Komen’s marketing ties, see http://thinkbeforeyoupink.org/?page_id=26

  • Hidan

     If Romney Misspoke About ‘Poor’ Why Did He Later Repeat Statement?

        “Jon, it was a misstatement. I misspoke. I’ve said something that is similar to that but quite acceptable for a long time. And you know when you do I don’t know how many thousands of interviews now and then you may get it wrong. And I misspoke. Plain and simple.” (Romney’s speaks about his controversial statement at the 8:00 mark.) That explanation would make more sense, however, if after his earlier comments caused a firestorm, Romney hadn’t told the traveling press corps on his charter jet nearly the exact same thing he said to CNN’s Soledad O’Brien.In Romney’s airborne attempt to clarify his remarks, he defended his earlier statement CNN statement, essentially repeating it. And he never said that he had earlier misspoken.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/02/03/146350872/if-romney-misspoke-about-poor-why-did-he-double-down-on-it?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:54b3a368-5618-4726-bdd2-0f37cf4f83e0

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      OMG, we have Mitt Derangement Syndrome from the left and the right.

      I’ve never seen so much over parsing by the media on 30 second sound bites.

        It was clear that he was talking about focusing his policies on the middle class just like every other candidate.

      It is also clear the media is behaving as a Obama campaign surrogate to create the narrative the Romney is an evil rich guy who doesn’t care a wit about the regular guy.  Howard Fineman is exhibit A during the Friday show.

      • Gregg

        I am constantly amazed at the shallowness of the elitist nuanced liberals. Any dolt who heard Romney knows what he meant. The same is true of his statement about firing people. They even edit the quote to their own purpose by removing the words “being able”. Ditto Allen West’s statement about getting the message of Socialism out of the country. One has to be extremely dense to claim he said for Reid and Pelosi to get the hell out of the Country. It makes zero sense if you read the entire comment. They edit that quote to. It’s amazing.

        Another thing that bothers me is the press’ implication that Romney will win Nev. because of its Mormon population. In think that sells his message short and insults Nevadans not to mention Mormons. 

        • Anonymous

          I am constantly amazed at the shallowness of the right wing regressive who post false information and think that by doing so enough times that somehow it’s true.

          The regressive West can say what he wants, but the fact remains that Reid, Pelosi are many things, socialist are not one of them.
          I never heard West say Socialism should be thrown out of the country and it was clear to me what he meant. How does one do that anyway without making it illegal to be a Socialist. I read his entire speech and it was pretty clear to me that people who had these beliefs should get the hell out.
          West’s problem is he’s not very well versed on the freedoms he seems so selective about.

          By the way you do what you are complaining about all the time, which makes you a hypocrite and a real tool.

          • Gregg

            “Message of Socialism” were my words. I was trying to nutshell it. 

            It takes a lot of hate to draw the conclusions you do, it’s certainly not rational. It’s consistent with the bitterness of your comments. I really don’t have anything against you personally. I hope you get better.

          • Modavations

            shallowness,regressive,m,eager diatribe,falsehoods,regressive West,hypocrite,real tool,.
            I am constantly amazed that this man is not a 21 yr.old college kid.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          The MSM bias is stunning.  Romney made the remark on Wednesday morning.  There have been headlines that read “Romney doesn’t care about the poor”  all  week. ABC News radio led with this for a 24 hour period during their top of the hour headline news.  I just heard an anchor on Fox news bring it up again today:  “Can Romney solve his poor problem?”

          Has there been anything from the MSM about Obama using scripture to advance his political agenda at a national prayer breakfast?

          It will be interesting to see how the MSM plays any uptick in the  unemployment rates later this year?  Also, if the price of gasoline hits $5/gallon; how will they spin the administrations policies on energy?

          • Gregg

            I agree completely but I can’t say I’m surprised. The criticism from the right is illustrating an angle I don’t remember seeing this clearly. They are not criticizing him for what he said (they get it) but for giving the MSM the opportunity to do Obama’s work for him… and they are. The MSM are so invested and in the tank it’s now a given. And the pundits on the right are reduced to reporting how effective the MSM is at brainwashing. It’s starting to get to me.

      • Hidan

         R.F.F.A.S. must be kicking in

        Romney Flip Flopping apologist syndrome must be kicking in, Romney admitted he mispoke than later on stated he admitted no such thing.

        Signs of RFFAS

        -Desire to justify Romney flip flopping
        -Desire to spin Romney apparent gaffes
        -Desire to ignore Romney past and current actions and comments which clearly counterdicts each other

  • Hidan

    Lol,

    Tom’s guess John McCormack gets his own space on NPR. Of  course sticking with the Weekly Standards quality of reporting the piece is total crap.

    The comments below the propaganda piece is quite funny.

    Weekly Standard: A Lying Planned Parenthood
    http://www.npr.org/2012/02/03/146336076/weekly-standard-a-lying-planned-parenthood?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:b2a2261c-08ca-4b64-8665-042d76472266

    • Gregg

       Is your position that Cecile Richards did not say, “millions of women are going to lose access, not to abortion services, to basic family planning, you know, mammograms”? Or is your position Planned Parenthood does do mammograms? It has to be one or the other for you to have credibility.

      Or are you just flailing without a leg to stand on.

      • kelty

        PP does mostly screenings and referrals for mammograms. Which by the way, is normal. My Dr has to refer me for my yearly mammo at the local hospital. Some PP offices do provide mammos or work in conjuction w/ the local hospital as a special clinic in areas w/ limited access. Some woman cannot afford a primary care DR and go to PP for the screenings (manual exams) because it is the cheaper option and can get a referral from them. Without access to these screenings, many woman would not know they have an lump and require further screening and treatment.     

        • Gregg

          Thank you but that’s a different argument.  I actually think PP does good work and am not here to demonize them (my issue is with the funding) but they don’t do mammograms. I understand that technically Richards was correct but it’s tortured and I believe purposely misleading. Maybe “lie” is a bit harsh. I don’t have much of an opinion about Komen one way or another because it’s their money. 

          Either way, your approach is far more enlightening than Hidan’s snark. I learned something I did not know.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Gregg, Kelty told you that some PP offices DO mammograms.   Many entities have some attribute, or attributes that we don’t like.  Each person  makes their decision of whether the good outweighs the bad.
               Even at 16% of the services that they do, is the 84% BETTER?
               84% is pretty high  for good versus bad, in most things!

          • Gregg

            No, she said they do referrals.

          • Modavations

            Terry has comprehension issues.His ideology only always him to process information in a leftist slant.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            YOU can’t READ her reply?  Led guppy read it, and maybe guppy can see where she said that some do mammos?
              Guppy needs to take you back in, to have your meds checked? 

          • Modavations

            As I’ve said,he’s a stalker and I rest my case

          • kelty

            No, I said they mostly do screenings and referrals, but there are some offices that DO Mammos or they have clinics at local hospitals. I believe they might even have travelling Mammo units (bus-style) for really rural areas, but I will have to confirm that.

          • Gregg

            I can’t find it and I stand by my comment Richards was purposely misleading. Here’s the services page from PP and it doesn’t mention mammograms.

            http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/

            If you know of a particular clinic then plug the zip code into the page and put me ion my place.

            There’s this but I don’t know how to verify it.

            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/yimcatholic/2012/02/eyewitness-account-planned-parenthood-never-had-mammography-machines.html

            But really Kelty, the way in which I am constructed has discouraged me from ever having one. I defer to you but as I said, my point stands.

    • Modavations

      I thought you were in charge of anti-semetism.I had no idea your hate speech was applied to such a diverse spectrum

      • Hidan

        I thought name calling wasn’t your thing?

        Tack on another quality of the moda. As NJ pointed out the market in Hate speech is reserved and maintain daily by the right wing.

        Your comments on blacks are an great example of such.

        • Modavations

          Who shot Gabby,who shot the Kennedy’s?.Leftists!!!Who is Jim Crow,who is Robert Byrd.Democrats!Who ended the D.C. Voucher system?Pres.Obama at the behest of Unionists.I await the name of a repuublican who runs an American ghetto.Please give me one.What do you think of the American NGO’s being held in Cairo?

  • david

    Before you folks jump for joy over the 8.3 unemployment rate, consider why first. I am all for a better economy, but these rates can be misleading. Figures show that more people are dropping out of the job market which inturn can make the rate drop.
    CBO stated this week they predict by third quarter the rate will climb back to near 9%.
    Bernanke is stating a VERY slow and vulnerable economy for several years ahead.
    When I see the national debt ($15+ trillion) slow and go in the opposite direction, then I will become more encouraged.
    My prediction tho!!!!! Hope Iam WRONG, We will see $20 Trillion

  • nj

    Right-wing hate mongering has a long history…

    http://www.salon.com/2012/02/04/inside_the_new_hate/?source=newsletter

    Inside the new hateRight-wing rhetoric seems to have reached new heights of xenophobia. But is that true? An expert explainsBY KATIE RYDERIt’s easy to interpret the verbal bile of recent American politics as a new height in prejudiced and conspiracist thinking: a new hate. In the last few years, Sarah Palin has created the concept of Obama’s “death panels,” Glenn Beck has argued that George Soros was a collaborator with the Nazis during WWII — even though Soros is Jewish — and Donald Trump staked his presidential campaign on the idea that our president, black as he is and Muslim as his name seems to be, had not sufficiently proven his rights to citizenship in our country. More recently, Newt has taken to calling Obama the “food stamp president,” a title that is as racially charged as it is inaccurate.But Arthur Goldwag, author of the new book “The New Hate: A History of Fear and Loathing on the Populist Right,” argues that the racist and conspiracist approach of today’s far-right pundits is largely the same as it was 50 years ago.  Their language and theories are taken (sometimes verbatim) from right-wing populist vitriol at early times in American and European history, dealing in tropes well-worn by pre-WWII American Nazis, Joe McCarthy and fanatical anti-Catholic and anti-Masonic Protestant preachers of the 19th century.—snipped

    • Anonymous

       Actually just to be historically accurate there were Jews who did collaborate with the nazis. In the camps it was the capos and in some of the Ghettos it was the governing bodies. They were mislead and in some cases in denial about their situation. The city of Lodz had a huge Jewish ghetto and there is some very good books on what happened their.

      Soros did not collaborate with the nazis. He was a boy of 14 in 1944 when the nazis invaded Hungry. He did work for the Jewish councle which did collaborate with the nazis in that they were responsible for delivering letters to Jews who were to be deported. Soros’ father told him to do his job but to warn the people on his list that if they turned up to the prescribed place they would be deported.
      People need to read up on occupied Europe in WW2 before making comments about things they know nothing about or are extremely misinformed.

      So lets unpack what’s being done here. The right wing GOP folks are accusing people of not interpreting what Allen West said, and that Romney did not mean what he said about the poor. And yet here they are doing exactly what they are complaining about. How interesting and all to be expected.

  • Modavations

    When they opened Tiller’s files,many had psychologic damage to the mother as the reason for a late term abortion.Not health of the mother,nor a damaged fetus.Were the kid to be born it would be healthy.I’m with Bill Cosby,however.Abortion should be permitted till age 18.

    • Hidan

      Was that before or after Tiller was shot at church? Sure Bill Cosby not down with shooting people in church.

      No one in the black community would ever take you or your ilk seriously as well know voting for the likes of the often racist republicans is worst than voting for the democrats.

      Just look at the ghetto in the States dominated by the Republicans.

      But hey republicans run on failure and once in government work on accomplishing such platform.

      • Modavations

        Every ghetto in America is run by a Democrat.What ghetto is run by a Republican

        • Hidan

           Republicans run on failure and have failed the black community so of course the logical action is to turn to democrats.

          We seen how bad things are when republicans run things.

  • Hidan

    Since Moda agrees with Bill Cosby

    http://theweek.com/article/index/100595/bill-cosby-obama-and-race

    The “right-wing’s most quotable black comedian” took to Facebook to agree with former President Jimmy Carter
    that “racism is playing a role in recent outbursts against President
    Obama.” Now that the “only black ‘pundit’” seen as “an honest broker by
    both the mainstream media and the Right” has sided with Carter, can we
    end the “snarkiness and ridicule”?

  • Hidan

    Rightwing
    oxymoron
    mobile
    narcistic
    ectoparasite
    yahoo

    • Modavations

      It must be tough having to defend the Left even on Limosine Liberal Radio.The Left has now descended to the point of defending their world view on their own turf.That’s like Pravda deefending Communism to in Moscow

      • Hidan

        “That’s like Pravda deefending Communism to in Moscow”

        No it’s not.

        “Limousine Liberal Radio”

        I guess in the fox news world.

        Come on moda you can do better than the above.

  • Joan

    The problem with Mitt Romney and his money class is that they do not care about ordinary Americans. Notice, how they never talk about the poor, the unemployed, those in foreclosures or home owners underwater, the growing student debt, the frail and sick whom they want to give vouchers to shop around for their health care. (see Pau;l Krugman’s column below…) 
    Then, the falsehoods they spread about government regulations killing competition–when the truth has it –they are making us sick with their toxins from their unregulated plants polluting our air and soil and waterways.  Especially. mercy into our air and run off from pesticides ithat seep into our waterways, plus the carbon emissions from fossil fuel increasing global warming. (Read the URL below….)And how shocking GOP lawmakers have pledged to uphold this money class. Funny how many of us feel like Egyptians today and are one step away from rejecting the crony capitalism…It is a disgrace and must go…Joan Romney isn’t concerned , Paul Krugman http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/opinion/krugman-romney-isnt-concerned.html?_r=1&ref=paulkrugmanPoisoning American Politics http://sdonline.org/49/poisoning-american-politics-the-colonization-of-the-state-by-the-polluter-industrial-complex/Monopolies, killing the free market…http://harpers.org/archive/2012/01/hbc-90008429

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