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The State of the Union. We’ll look at President Obama’s blueprint for the country and staying in the White House.

President Barack Obama delivers his State of the Union address on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2012. (AP)

President Barack Obama delivers his State of the Union address on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2012. (AP)

And the State of the Union is… “getting stronger,” said the President last night.  Not exactly a bold boast.  But nothing to retreat from, said Barack Obama.  “We’ve come too far to turn back now,” said the president.  He looked upbeat in his third State of the Union address.

Determined, as if to say “this will not be my last.”  And class warfare?  Not at all, he said.  What the country needs is common sense.  And higher taxes on the rich.  Republicans hammered in response.  And the lines are drawn.

This hour, On Point:  President Obama’s State of the Union.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Ryan Lizza, a staff writer for the New Yorker magazine. He covers the 2012 Presidential campaign and national politics. He is the author of an article in the current issue, “The Obama Memos: The making of a post-partisan presidency.”

Doyle McManus, Washington columnist for the Los Angeles Times. You can find his column on the State of the Union speech here.

Cynthia Tucker, a visiting professor at the University of Georgia’s Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication. She spent 20 years at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution as an editorial board member and syndicated columnist. She won the Pulitzer Prize for commentary in 2007.

From Tom’s Reading List

The New Yorker “If there was a single unifying argument that defined Obamaism from his earliest days in politics to his Presidential campaign, it was the idea of post-partisanship. He was proposing himself as a transformative figure, the man who would spring the lock.”

L.A. Times “The State of the Union address that President Obama delivered Tuesday was, in a sense, the first formal speech of his reelection campaign. It was his chance to wedge himself into the noise of the Republican primary campaign for 66 minutes of uninterrupted television time, and he took advantage of it.”

The Washington Post “President Obama will call for “a return to American values” in his State of the Union address Tuesday as he lays out a vision for an economy that provides greater equity at a time of growing income disparities.”

 

Video: 2012 State of the Union

You can watch the entire 2012 State of the Union address in this video from the PBS News Hour. You can read a transcript of the 2012 State of the Union speech here.

Video: 2012 State of the Union Republican Response

Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels gave the GOP response to the president’s State of the Union address. You can read the transcript of the response here.

 

 

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  • http://www.facebook.com/robertcgray Robert C Gray

    An excellent, excellent speech. Masterfully constructed, framed and delivered.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    That was the best speech I’ve ever heard.  I got a tingle up my leg and then I fainted.

    Thank you Mitch Daniels.

    • Zero

      Did you hear Daniels say, “You don’t need government to pick a mortgage, pick a health care plan, or a light bulb for you…so lets forget about consumer protections and write bills like the one that caused our housing crisis.”

      I guess he didn’t say the latter part.  My bad.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Community Reinvestment Act wasn’t a GOP bill.

        • Zero

          Yes, it was.  Remember blockbusting from the 1970s…that was basically the housing bill, but it wasn’t aimed specifically at black people (although black people still got subprime mortgages when they qualified for prime). 

        • Anonymous

          And its role in our economic mess is a myth disseminated to protect those really responsible for it and unfortunately believed by presumably well-meaning people like you.  Here’s an unbiased analysis:

          http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/feds/2011/201136/201136pap.pdf

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Thank you for the link but excuse me if I don’t consider the federal reserved unbiased.

          • Anonymous

            So just where did you get the idea the CRA played a significant role?  What’s your unbiased source? Did you actually read the report?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        :You followed the thought through to a logical conclusion!

    • Gregg

      Yea, he was good. Who do you think he’ll endorse?

      • Same Old Cory

        I think he should run.  He seems vibrant and charismatic.  ;)

        • Gregg

          I’ve always liked him but his wife won’t let him run. He’s certainly the darling of the establishment Republicans who are in a tizzy over Newt.

  • Sean

    President Obama would obliterate in a debate any and all of the brain-constricted thumb-suckers in the Republican Party.

    The idea that any one of the Republicans deserves to even stand on the same podium with Obama is ludicrous, and they’re going to seem like snotty-nosed, ill-raised kindergartners standing against an esteemed scholar… Republicans will be perceived as even more of a sick joke than they are now.

    GREAT speech, and it’s beyond obvoius we’ll have Obama for a second term! Thank God Republicans won’t get another chance to doom our country!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Sorry that I missed it!   I had some of that Rescue Squad stuff to do, that Moda says I don’t do! 
         Funny, I didn’t see him there?  It’s only 34*F out there. Just five and a half hours, that Moda says I’m imagining?

      • Modavations

        Look at me,look at me I’m a fireman for the millionth time.Listen dude,real men don’t call attention to their charity.If you’d quit stalking me and treat me civily,you will never have a problem.When you make post after post without an intellectual point and just juvenile name calling,I react.I turned my cheek 50 times,it was the 51st time that prompted a response.I mean stalking me during a forum on cars is pathetic.

    • William

      Obama is only interested in redistributing wealth instead of helping create wealth.

      • Same Old Cory

        Create wealth for who?

      • Anonymous

        What wealth did many of the wealthy actually create rather than redistribute to themselves though favorable tax treatment and financial games.  How many of them own factories in this country or put people to work.  Not every wealthy person is a “job creator.”

      • mary elizabeth

        A lot of collective wealth got distributed to the multi-billionaire Walton family  away from local businesses.   Yes, they have made goods more accessible to struggling families, but at great profits for themselves for which they return too little to society and the people who made their accumulation possible. 
        Just a small portion of the massive wealth in this country could be invested into impoverished communites to e.g. sponsor technical and trade schools.  Win-win-more trained, employed workers to shop at Wal-Mart.
        Much better than just charitable giving.

      • Fredlinskip

        Between 1980 and 2005, the top 1% of income earners in the U.S. took home more than 80 percent of income gains.
         
        Now that’s redistribution.

    • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

      Beautifully said Sean.

    • Still Here

      Obama’s doing his best to doom our country.  This community organizer is way out of his league.  

  • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

    It was a spectacular speech and it made me feel quite patriotic, a feeling I’ve not had in a while.

    If Obama can keep this up through the entire campaign, and I think he can, whoever the Republicans nominate will have their hands full.Did you see Mitch Daniels’ face during the speech: wooden. He knows his party is in trouble.

  • Ed

    President Obama said that economic equality is the issue of our time – no, the issue of our time is abortion. The absence of those killed in abortion is precisely why we lack the people in their 30s and 40s who would be starting businesses and generating jobs – and why we have such economic inequality. And President Obama is on the wrong side of that issue, big time.

    • JustSayin

      Ed, I enjoyed your comment today. Your ability to tie abortion to any need or crisis is creative. Should anyone ever offer me Balut, I shall not eat it, knowing there was a future Gallus domesticus CEO inside.

      • Anonymous

        I bet he could find a way to tie the abortion issue to a Dr.Seuss story.

        • Same Old Cory

          … or a recipe for banana bread.

    • margbi

      Do you think it’s possible that for those born who do not fulfill your optimistic read on their capacities to start business and generate jobs, the cause is at least partially a lack of care after they are born? Too little in the way of education, health care, housing and on and on to develop to the fullest any potential in a newborn? It would seem that many pro-lifers are for the unborn until they show up – then it’s sink or swim.

    • Brett

      What if instead of starting businesses and generating jobs, the aborted would have started terrorist cells, generated atheism, filled up our prisons–or worse– voted for Barack Obama!…Something to think about, Ed.

    • JP

      Considering you’re talking about unwanted children, you’re probably just as likely talking about a serial killer or a gang-banger than about a productive, well-adjusted citizen.

      So save lives indeed, and assure that the only children born are those which are wanted.

    • Same Old Cory

      So the solution to 25 million unemployed and 45 million without healthcare is…  wait for it…

      MORE PEOPLE!!!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse goes ALL the way to the pope!  In MANY countries! 
         Catholics want more babies born, so perverted priests will have MORE VICTIMS!

      • Modavations

        Macho macho man.I wanna be a macho man

    • Anonymous

      OMG.

  • Ed

    brain constricted thumb suckers – very colorful. In a debate though my money would be on Gingrich, and perhaps Romney.

    • mary elizabeth

      Gingrich may be anti-abortion, but he displays a general disgust for large portions of the American populace-gays, judges, unemployed blacks who do not send their children out to sweep floors, food stamp recipients, the media, now the establishment.
      He claims to love America.  It’s the people in it that he doesn’t care much for.
      The man is troubled with a capacity for hate, which this  POTUS thankfully lacks.
        Best for everyone if Gingrich just kept on making hate speeches to his syncophants.  It would fulfill his narcissistic  need to be glorified and he would make more money.

      • Gregg

        That is so hateful and bogus.

        • Anonymous

          Trouble is, Gregg, Gingrich really is awful.  Fake husband, fake intellectual, and even his party has told him he’s a lousy politician (see the full story of his being “fired” from Congress and how his party treated him). He occasionally amuses.  But any clear-eyed assessment of Gingrich — clear-eyed and with at least some knowledge of his personal and professional history — shows him to be a charlatan.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Those thumb-suckers might be VICTIMS of perverted priests?

  • Still Here

    Same old, same old.  He’s apparently for everything he was against the last 3 years; energy exploration, manufacturing, job creation … He kills Keystone and then says he’s for jobs.  What a nutjob!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

      So you’re saying a president that adapts to the circumstances at hand, works with what he is given by Congress, and does his best to help as many Americans as possible is a nutjob? Sounds like you may have a few screws loose yourself, sir!

      • Gregg

        Hilarious.

    • Anonymous

      Same old, same old tired remarks.

  • Still Here

    Also the spilled milk joke was total cornball.  I’m guessing Michelle made him use it.

  • SteveV

    It’s always interesting to listen to the comments regarding the speech of a
    politician. Everything from “wonderful” to “terrible”, “inspired me” to “made me
    sick”. And we call ourselves the “United” States of America? When did that last
    happen?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    An excellent speech. Centrist and pragmatic. Exactly what we need in this far too divided nation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    iOnePoint:

    While Americans are debating and arguing about who will be the next President and the economy is still hanging on a single thread.
    China is totally concentrating on trade and industries to continue to dominate the world market.

    • Anonymous

      With factories that operate like indentured slave mills paying almost nothing, how does any Western modern nation compete with that. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        paying almost nothing? Did you “Actually” visited the Chinese factories and the housing that they provide for those Chinese workerr? if you only saw it on tv and you tube it doesn’t count?

        • Anonymous

          You know you are one confused guy.
          On the one hand you go on about peoples rights and yet you now defend what has been proven by some serious journalist from many countries as serious exploitation of workers, some as young as 12, at Foxconn.
          I guess those 300 people threatening to commit suicide from the roof a few weeks ago is made up. 
           
          You make a lot of comments here and when challenged you act like child. Grow up.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            why getting mad did you wake up again in the wrong side of the bed? you sound you MAD all the time.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Wow!!! lots of insulting words from your comment. Are you really like that in real life irritated so fast especially if you don’t like a person?

        • Same Old Cory

          Yeah, I’m sure that with a labor pool in the hundreds of millions, a capitalist statist regime would pay more than they have to for workers.  I don’t have to travel to China to know this.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            does it hurt to read my iOnePoint?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    More super-heated political hot air.  Get rid of the lobbyists and corporate campaign funds and maybe some of this blather would be believable.  

    It’s insulting  and painful to listen to it.   And its no coincidence that campaigning politicians, evangelical ministers, and snake oil salesman all sound the same.  They are all full of the same substance.

    • notafeminista

      Which one do the union leaders fall under?

  • Gregg

    It was the same old speech.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDDRiGIUYQo

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      i know that’s why I didn’t watch him last night. my instinct told me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Oil? Actually there are more cars that are capable of going long distance with a gallon of gas. There are more cars that are low emission and more safer in the history of car manufacturing. We should concentrate more on solar powered cars than electric cars to save more energy and to avoid oil to reduce economic dependency.

  • Modavations

    Mr President,Canada has a corporate tax rate of 15%.And let me choose the light bulbs I want,please!!!And I can’t take it when he uses words with  ”s”.He hisses like a reptile.And please don’t talk about creating jobs,when you shut down the pipeline.Newt said on Matt L.”s show this morning that 50,000 jobs went pffft

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

      More like 6000 temporary jobs. And that’s from the company supplying them, TransCanada. Get your facts right.

      • Modavations

        Keep spinning.I heard Newt AT 7:00 SAY 50,000 JOBS.hE WENT UNCHALLENGED

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

          OK so I spoke too soon. I’ll admit that. All spin and independent estimates aside though, Newt’s still off by 30,000.

          http://transcanada.com/5921.html

          • Modavations

            i’LL TAKE EM.i’LL TAKE 5000,i’LL TAKE 3000,i’LL TAKE 50

    • Same Old Cory

      You forgot to criticize the size of his ears.

      • Modavations

        We give Newt and Romney an anal exam.After the election Tom B. and Charlie Rose sit  stroking their chins and say,you know we really don’t know much about this man.The 4th estate has become the 5th column

  • nj

    Well it looks like just another day in Forumland: Predictable talking head punditry from people paid to pretend that political theater such at the SOTU actually means anything. Obamabots defending Their Guy as if his record has had anything to do with his speeches or campaign promises (Think Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown). And the right-wing reactionaries who live in some sort of parallel universe, and who get their talking points from Rush.

    Looks like a nice day for a long walk in the woods.

    Go, Rocky Anderson!

    • Gregg

      Good point, I rescind my previous comments and will wait to hear what Rush tells me to think at noon.

    • Slice

      I got a better ideal,

      We the people, the 99, can be most effectively heard by
      voting. If you feel like me that there is no candidate that represents your
      values within the Republican or Democratic party and you do not want to vote
      for a third party show your voting power by writing in ‘NONE OF THE ABOVE.’ This way you make yourself heard and show the
      polity that you are a viable voter without becoming a silent casualty by not
      participating in the electoral process.

    • Same Old Cory

      Getting mad because of partisanship on the On Point comment section is like getting angry at a zebra for having stripes.  People with differing opinions clashing…  that is what happens here.

      • Modavations

        Don’t you just hate all this free speech.Too much free speech goin on round here

        • Same Old Cory

          I can see not liking the bickering, but the solution is to go elsewhere instead of critcizing it.

          • Modavations

            There’s too much a dat free speech goin on roun here.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    It is always interesting that there is always a person who will not be satisfied whatever that other person achieved.

    • Plushkin

      Gelsomino anyone?

      • Plushkin

        oops wrong post to reply to, sorry

  • Modavations

    Hmmmm.The President frees the hostages DURING HIS SPEECH.hMMMMMM

    • Plushkin

      Gelsomino anyone?

  • Gregg

    ” Right now, because of loopholes and shelters in the tax code, a
    quarter of all millionaires pay lower tax rates than millions of
    middle-class households.  Right now, Warren Buffett pays a lower tax
    rate than his secretary.  

    Do we want to keep these tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans?  Or do
    we want to keep our investments in everything else –- like education and
    medical research; a strong military and care for our veterans?  Because
    if we’re serious about paying down our debt, we can’t do both.”

    That is so dishonest and untrue. 

  • Still Here

    Obama mentioned taxes more than unemployment.  He obviously is thinking the class warfare card is the one to play this election cycle.  So pathetic!

    • Gregg

      It’s all he’s got, that and thumping his chest about Bin Laden for the umpteenth time. He can’t run on his awful record. He can’t run on legislative achievement. He can’t run as the anti-war dove. He can’t run on his vision for America. All he has is hate and divisiveness… and plenty of sheep to buy the garbage.

      • Cory the Commie

        Uhh…  I think getting Bin Laden is part of his record.  I suppose a Republican wouldn’t have mentioned it if they would (or could) have gotten him.

        • Gregg

          Killing Bin Laden didn’t make us any safer, it was symbolic. Important but symbolic. If he wants to run on it fine but the chest thumping is annoying.

          http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live//video/The-Situation-Room-Cold-Open/1327352

          • Same Old Cory

            I made no value judgement about killing bin laden, only that a any politician would trumpet the success.

          • Gregg

            Fair enough but hasn’t he already done that? The link I  provided was old and they were making fun of him then. To me it looked like a desperate move. Enough already.

          • Anonymous

            So if Bush was doing this 6 years ago would be saying the same thing?

          • Gregg

            My views are not rooted in partisanship. Unseemly is unseemly.

          • Brett

            If you say your views are not rooted in partisanship, one must take you at your word…however, it would not be a lie to say your views have at least BLOSSOMED into partisanship. 

          • TFRX

            Yes, if Bush II got Bin Laden, I could well imagine Gregg all over the right-wing message boards, or calling Rushbo, with “That was okay, but let’s not blow this out of proportion!”

    • marlborough

      Class warfare (started by Reagan and his team of supply siders) has been going on this country for decades  and the middle and lower class have been losing. Obama is just suiting up to fight back finally.

    • Anonymous

      Declaring class warfare on 2012 would be like waiting 30 years to respond to Pearl Harbor.  The attack on those in and below the middle class was launched 30 years ago and I’m still waiting for a real response by anyone with authority to do something about it.

  • Still Here

    Obama wants the government to issue mortgages and operate electricity plants.  Seriously, is there anything government can’t waste our money on in this guy’s mind? 

    He seems to believe the solution to a government-caused problem is more government.  I guess it’s not a surprise since the guy’s been in government essentially his whole adult life.  Public workers unions are getting a good return on their campaign contributions, but taxpayers getting screwed.

    • Cory the Commie

      Public workers in Wisconsin might disagree with your assessment.  BTW, the government IS us.  If you don’t like what the goernment does, you can change things by voting.  If you don’t like the behavior of a private company, you are left only with withholding your patronage or engaging in something convoluted like a boycott.  Accountability, dude.

      • Still Here

        Wisconsin’s public workers’ candidate lost when those workers exercised their vote.  Federal workers are making out like bandits under Obama. 

        Private companies live and die on profits from voluntary purchases by consumers every day.  Government’s have the ability to tax and jail and I get to vote once a year for just part of it. 

        • Same Old Cory

          How often do you get to vote for the CEO of Archer Daniels Midland?

          • Still Here

            As a shareholder, every year.
            As a consumer, every day.

          • Charles A. Bowsher

            Don’t know if you realize it or not, but shareholder elections are not  are not democratic. Unless of course you subscribe to the “Citizen’s United”   “Brand” of Democracy. I say this becaouse if you have a million shares, you get a million votes.  Guess who wins, guess who has no influence?

          • notafeminista

            Seriously….how is it people so badly miss the point?

          • notafeminista

            Zing!  Well done.

          • Gregg

            Nice!

        • TFRX

          Federal workers are making out like bandits under Obama.

          Under that pay freeze?

          I sense envy from someone who couldn’t pass the civil service exam, until otherwise proved.

      • Greyman

        Voters in Dillon County, South Carolina, might disagree with your assessment. Three Democratic state legislators (a state rep. and two state senators) appoint all the members of the County School Board; the CSB, in its turn, appoints and does not permit elections of local school board members, and never has–even though two referenda have passed over the past twenty-two years calling for the election of school board members. –OUR Democratic Party (and President Obama’s) at work!

        • Same Old Cory

          Then accountability lies with the first three ELECTED politicians you mentioned.

          • Greyman

            Sorry: the unelected head of the County School Board is the local party boss, and he helps keep the three elected officials in office each election. Also, President Obama himself got the Feds involved when he directed $35 million in “stimulus” funds to this very anti-democratic (small D) county so they could replace a twenty-five year old campus with a new school, all because the locals let Sen. Obama use one of their derelict buildings as a backdrop for a campaign photoshoot back in 2007. President Obama’s concerns with “equality” in Dillon County means that whites and blacks equally are deprived of voting opportunities that would indeed permit a level of accountability, if the votes were but permitted.

          • Same Old Cory

            That’s just old fashioned corruption.  It pervades all human institutions.  Ask Enron or the Catholic church.

          • Greyman

            –or, even, the Obama White House.

  • Anonymous

    “We can either settle for a country where a shrinking number of people do really well, while a growing number of Americans barely get by. Or we can restore an economy where everyone gets a fair shot, and everyone does their fair share, and everyone plays by the same set of rules. What’s at stake aren’t Democratic values or Republican values, but American values.”  – Those sound like Democratic values not Republican values. 

    • Cory the Commie

      So what you suggest is that their are no “American” values?

      • Anonymous

        No, just that the Republicans at this point in their history don’t support those values he listed.

        • Gregg

          It’s a meaningless platitude built on a false premise. Republicans support the sentiment but have a different vision to achieve it.

          • Anonymous

            What Republicans support this statement: “We can either settle for a country where a shrinking number of people do really well, while a growing number of Americans barely get by.”? They all scream class warfare and socialism.

          • Gregg

            It’s a false premise. Margaret Thatcher said it best. Hat tip to Brandstad.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw

          • Anonymous

            When Margaret Thatcher is the best you can cite, best keep mum. She’s the mother of c

          • Modavations

            Hey Hundie Watts and I love The Iron Lady.What advantage do you find by hiding your identity.

          • Same Old Cory

            We agree doubble G.  A silly platitude.

    • notafeminista

      I agree with John 100%.  Making the playing field level by lowering standards, guaranteeing equality of result regardless of effort or input, and long-term and/or permanent job security based on nothing but longevity and/or seniority regardless of quality are all absolutely Democratic values.    The party of mediocrity through and through.

      • Anonymous

        Right- Fairness means pretty soon the Queen is playing Foosball in the finished basement.
        Not really credible, is it?
        You might bother to notice that some of the crudeist embarrassments to the species are billionaires. Money can’t learn. It just gets more brutal as it gets bigger. 

        • notafeminista

          You’re right.  Steve Jobs, that hackneyed miscreant,  Meg Whitman, uncultured wench, Warren Buffet, ill-educated ne’er do well.  Miserable examples all.  (sarcasm off)

    • Anonymous

      I want a country where the rich people really shrink.

      • notafeminista

        Not the rich people who need to shrink.  Obesity caused by poverty…or haven’t you heard?

  • Cory the Commie

    The State of the Union address is a silly relic that ought to be done away with.  The sitting and standing over and over is enough to drive you nuts. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      The sitting and standing bit really makes US politicians look ridiculous to the world…if they didnt already.  Che lecconi !!

      • notafeminista

        I know.  I hate it when people show respect.  So archaic.

        • Same Old Cory

          Do you really think it is genuine respect, or just tradition?  Maybe they could have little signs that say “respect”, and just hold them up at appropriate times, instead of stretching a 20 minute speech to an hour after interuptions.

          • notafeminista

            You have an objection to either?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            “respect or tradition” ?????

            …looks like plain old butt kissing to me.

        • Anonymous

          “Lean to the left,
          Lean to the right.
          Stand up- sit down,
          Fight, fight, fight.”

          (all decorum and pageantry)

          Please hold your  flatulence ’til the end.
          Hey, who fracked?!

          • Modavations

            wHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT BAR IN bANGKOK?

    • TFRX

      Eh, sorta agree, but if it’s that useless, let’s wait for the next Republican president to take it on themselves to stop it.

      Otherwise the framing of it threatens to resemble the debt ceiling crap: ‘We’ve been doing it this way for years, but now a Democrat is in the White House, so…PROBLEM!”

      (Not saying this about you in particular, just how the mediascape is painted to do this.)

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Quit sitting and standing over and over!

  • Still Here

    Obama wants greater energy production in the US, but then he wants to penalize those that produce the energy.  This guy is all rhetorical garbage. 

    • Ray in VT

      By penalizing them do you mean doing away with corporate tax breaks?  The President made some references to ending tax subsidies to the highly profitable oil industry.  I don’t see a problem with that.

    • Anonymous

      You must have got  up oily this morning.
      And who’s fault is that?

      • Modavations

        I smell Hundie Watts.Let me get out my Ebonics version.Why are you guys always hiding behind your womens skirts

  • Modavations

    After  HEARING THE SPEECH ANOTHER 100 COMPANIES SAID THEY’re leaving.Would someone send the Pres.a copy of Atlas Shrugged

    • Ray in VT

      I would be willing to bet that he has already read it.  I agree with this take on the book:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j56IiLqZ9U

      • Modavations

        You hang with immature kids.I’ve never watched any of those shows and never will.Ray from the mean streets of Vt.

        • Ray in VT

          The show does some very nice satire, but it does not surprise me that you would be so dismissive of something that seem to not know anything about.  Cartoons aren’t just for kids.  I would also suggest looking into graphic novels if you think that comic books are also just for kids.

          I’m also rather happy that my state doesn’t have much in the way of “mean streets”.  Should I be envious of crime-ridden areas?

          • Modavations

            You shouldn’t talk about ghettos and the plight of your chattel,Ray from the Mean Streets

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t talk about ghettos, but I do see plenty of rural poverty. 

            You probably shouldn’t talk about much of anything, seeing as how you seem to have little grasp of anything that you talk about here.

          • Anonymous

            Let’s all get tickets (a block  of them) for “The Book of Mormon” (by Trey  Parker and Matt Stone of Southpark) and meet for a Broadway gala.
            Or the sadsacks could just stay home and read gold tablets from their tophats. “Fillmore begat Buttola; and Buttola begat Kartman; and Kartman….”

          • Modavations

            fISH IN A BARREL HUH

          • Modavations

            Make a point

          • Modavations

            You’ve never seen real poverty.

          • Anonymous

            Then you should stop talking about Vermont. I use to live there and I knew some folks who moved up from cites such as Boston and NYC. One was a  teacher who thought he was going to have a less stressful job working in rural Vermont. This was in the 90′s so maybe this school is better now, but he said it was worse than the inner city school of East New York. The poverty was that bad.

            You post these absurd generalizations and attacks and think you are witty.
            On the contrary, you’re anything but.

          • nj

            Yet another profound “intellectual point” from the troll king.

          • Anonymous

            Ray, don’t bother with this chap.
            He’s not interested in hearing what you have to say or think. He say’s he is but just read a few of his posts and you can clearly see that he thinks he’s being funny, when he is not, and if he knew anything about South Park he would know that Trey Parker and Matt Stone are very funny satirist.

            Comics and caricature have been a huge part of our culture for many generations. From Thomas Nash to the late David Levine the with and sharpness of these pens has exposed the hypocrisy of politicians. In some countries political cartoonist are in hiding due to death threats.  Cages is one of favorites.

          • Ray in VT

            I know.  I don’t know why I bother.  It must just be a part of my nature to want to make a retort.

          • TFRX

            That’s the problem with the intertubes: Sensibly ignore some fool in meatspace, and after a short while that person will be alone, and others will recognize it.

            Online, not so easy.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            YEP!!! That’s why your life is a cartoon.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, well I can live with that. Anything can happen in a cartoon and I can draw.

            You are really very immature and confused.

          • TFRX

            Jeffe, I’m currently reading Art Spiegelman’s MetaMouse. If you have an interest in that kind of thing, it’s highly recommended. (By some random stranger on the internet.)

          • Anonymous

            I love Art’s work. I have a few of his books.  will chelck it out. He did some great covers for the New Yorker.
            I recommend Thomas Ott and Danijel Zezelj who did this amazing book about Thelonious Monk called Small Hands.

          • Anonymous

            Art is great.  If you ever get a chance to see him in person, go.  He is fascinating and the friendliest author I have ever met. 

          • TFRX

            I had a feeling he was cool when he appeared on the Simpsons as a “superhero” who chose attending a convention for underpaid comic writers over saving the earth from a meteor.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            It is also for adults who doesn’t want to Grow Up.

          • Ray in VT

            I thought that it was largely for people who want to have a laugh.

    • nathan

      And while we are it, why not send him copy of the Twilight series too

      • Ray in VT

        “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.
        One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession
        with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted,
        socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The
        other, of course, involves orcs.” – Paul Krugman.

        • Modavations

          Paul Krugmans only job was as a propagandist for Enron during the embroglio.Google Krugman and read the article by the NYTimes first ombudsman.

          • Anonymous

            What do you expect? 
            He works at the Times.

          • Modavations

            Hundie Hundie

        • the last moderate

          You are right.  But we are not 14.  When you are an adult, you put away childish things.
          Atlas Shrugged has no equivalent to hedge fund managers and short sellers.  These are the people who are currently benefitting, not John Galt.

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t know, I still love my baseball cards and the Lord of the Rings.

          • TFRX

            But, unlike Alan Greenspan, you aren’t going to be Chair of the Fed, you won’t 10 years to learn that real-world capitalists cheat for their own self-interest, unlike the heros in your novels.

            Greenspan was that kind of sucker. I don’t know you, but I’ll bet you $10,000 of Mitt Romney’s money that you’re not.

          • Ray in VT

            Oh, I am not.  I’ve met people, so I know that some people will cheat their own mothers in order get a leg up.  Humans can be pretty nasty, especially if they’re out for #1 at any cost.

          • Dave

            Good thing we have laws. Too bad our debt funny money has made possible the total corruption of both our pandering political class and consumeristic populace.

          • Dave

            Which leads to the laws not being enforce, or used with excess discretion.

            Bill Black please.

          • TFRX

            Glad you cleared that up.

            I’m curious who the highest ranking Master of the Universe might be which tries to live their life by Tolkein.

          • Dave

            You betray your ignorance.  Fed Chairman Greenspan was at the helm of the institution that real sound money-types want to limit or eliminate.

            I don’t care what he read in his past, but his actions and funny-money ways to fund pandering politicians and war mongers with debt show his true character, which is 2-party status-quo elite.

            It’s like an SUV driving environmentalist. B.S.

          • notafeminista

            If as an adult, we put away childish things, then why do we, as adults keep stomping our foot and screaming, “It’s not fair!”.    The fairness cry is an 8 year old’s protest.

            Whenever I hear adults talking about social justice and fairness, I’m reminded of teenagers who want the keys to the car but they don’t want to pay for gas or insurance or any general maintenance.

            Bunch of 8 year olds we are.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, I agree Mother Theresa and those like her are just a bunch of immature idiots, unable to grasp your illuminating insights to the world and those living in it. 

          • notafeminista

            Christopher Hitchens, that avowed atheist, said Mother Teresa was in it for herself.

          • Anonymous

            She was a fraud.  She kept money donated to her from that job creator Charles Keating.

          • notafeminista

            Good thing we’ve got Jimino here to keep us straight.

          • notafeminista

            Good thing we’ve got Jimino here to keep us straight.

      • Anonymous

        So Barack could be a ripped Werewolf and Mitt an undead Vampire; Newt a fruitbat.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1439572620 Joe Lee

      FYI, Ayn Rand made copious use of Social Security and Medicare.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

        The only reason medicare has survived is that it has allowed people with millions to keep their millions instead of having to spend them on healthcare.

      • Modavations

        For your information,she ,like I paid for it.Does that invalidate her philosophy.

    • Anonymous

      That one outfit with the new steel alloy for the high speed rails was first on the tramp steamer. I think they sailed for Lilliput where they could live large. I wish Greenspan and Andrea Mitchell would tag along. 

      • Modavations

        sTICK AROUND KID,i’M GONNA MAKE A PHONE CALL

  • Still Here

    Mentioning Osama is fine but why didn’t he mention the supposed American terrorist he killed, or the innocent women and children?

    • Gregg

      Because that wouldn’t puff up his ego.

      • Anonymous

        You know he keeps snapshots of all his victims in his thick wallet, and when he meets foreign dictators they compare their “offed-spring”. Under that suit is a Bradley Manning t-shirt with crosshairs for the intimate summits. I think we were mentioning Karma later.

    • Same Old Cory

      So you want him to make himself look bad during his own speech?

      • TFRX

        My guess is that SH wouldn’t have been happy unless Newt Gingrich had written Obama’s SOTU speech.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          And open-marriage vows?

  • http://freeourfreemarkets.org Steve Banicki

    American politics is one of the few jobs where you are allowed to hunt for another job during 98%  of normal working hours and continue to be paid for your present position. WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN THIS TIME!”Republicans hope Mr. Obama’s pronouncement that a full-year extension of the payroll tax cut was the last “must-do” piece of legislation for the White House will work in their favor, making them look as though they are trying to create jobs while Mr. Obama is busy campaigning.” Boehner Faces a Restive G.O.P. and New White House Attacks,  Jennifer Steinhaurer, New York Times, January 14, 2011In 2012 we have the following items that demand national attention: the presidential and congressional elections, the Afghan war,  Iran building a nuclear weapon, high unemployment, a teetering economy and a national debt with no plan in place to solve it. These are just the items on the top shelf. Read More:  http://goo.gl/mIWYc

  • mary elizabeth

    So many bitter cynics who always see the glass as half empty.
    This President has accomplished a great deal in a fragile situation despite huge obstacles. 
    Things are improving slowly and could have gone much worse.
    The expectation that Obama would resolve issues that had been neglected for generations in a mere half or even one term reeks of immaturity. Just barge in and wipe out the health care industry, the financial industry, the military etc.
    Anyone who has ever gone into a situation and tried to dictate massive change in one fell swoop knows the perils of such actions.
    Obama is taking baby steps into the 21st century.  That is all he can do.  It is a tribute to his rational approach that more aren’t standing in bread lines or that Pakistan’s arsenal is not in the hands of terrorists, much as I personally deplore the wars. 

    • LongWayToGo

      The President is a Warmonger, if you think otherwise, than you need to look up the definition again. But the past few Presidents have also been warmongers. Don’t misunderstand me though, I think a President should have a hopeful message for the future of his country, but it is not the President of the United State’s job to dictate to every American how we all are supposed to do this. 

      Look, if you want a country that is organized and dictated by one man (or a small group of men) from Washington, fine, but that is not the language in the Constitution. 

      The only hopeful talk that came out of that speech was the Presidents disdain for insider trading by Congress, which, at the moment are exempt from any prosecution or investigation. That’s deplorable. 

  • Chris

    Neither Obama’s speech nor Daniels’ was fantastic.  But some of the assertions in Daniels’ were fear-mongering.  Less substance.

    • Anonymous

      It only sounded better because Congresspersons had agreed to choose partners and sit on eachothers’ laps, to celebrate Gabby’s resignation. 

      • Gregg

        As he say’s “fair shot” over and over.

  • Anonymous

          Once upon a time, the State of the Union address served a useful purpose. The President was required to come before congress and present his assessment of the country’s state and make recommendations for the House and Senate’s consideration.  When that’s what it was, it was a beautiful thing. Since the advent of radio and television, it has become  nothing more than a free political advertisement for the party in the white house, and an opportunity for the loyal opposition to present it’s own political ad in response, also at no expense.  When a president, any president, Republican or Democrat, comes before us and gives us only half the story, the half that makes him look best, we are not well served as a nation.  The fact that  anyone can believe  either Obama or Daniels gave us anything more than self-serving half truths, while each ignoring, for the most part, anything that might  cast a negative light on their respective parties says a lot about the level of political sophistication in this country. We’re supposed to hold politicians feet to the fire, so to speak. Listening to any of them prattle on about their own successes, or that of their parties doesn’t fit that bill. Do a little independent research, for God,s sake.                         

    • Anonymous

      Well said. My girlfriend was saying something like this last night as we watched Obama. The thing is there were a few whole truths in his speech. The dysfunctional aspect of our federal government is a huge problem. One that is not going away even if Gingrich or Romney becomes president next fall. These problems will still be there and the right will not be able to fix anything. Well they will do away with government while being part of it?

      “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and
      lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
      Abraham Lincoln

    • nj

      One of the few sensible, substantive, perceptive posts in the forum today.

  • TomK in Boston

    We know the POTUS gives a good speech. There was some good content, like a minimum top tax rate (why only 30%?), a long overdue stab at incentives to keep jobs in the USA, putting Schneiderman in charge of an effort to help victims of the deregulated financial predators, and the overall recognition of the results of the ongoing righty class warfare (why didn’t he say that voodoo econ is the real class warfare?). However, talk is cheap. Will he follow through, or at least fight as hard as possible against the agents of the oligarchs in the congress? I doubt it.

    On the negative side, lots of macho O’busha talk and no defiant defense of SS and medicare.

    No doubt, Obama is the traditional centrist republican in the current mix.

  • Newton Whale

    Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels delivered the Republican response to President Obama’s State of the Union address. 
    Daniels said President Obama made the economy “worse,” which no sane person could possibly believe (even Mitt Romney believes the economy has “gotten better” under Obama). Daniels equated our debt to the Greek crisis, which is ridiculous. He argued that Steve Jobs created more American jobs than the Recovery Act, which is demonstrably wrong. Daniels accused Obama of supporting “a pro-poverty policy,” which is the kind of nonsense I might expect from Glenn Beck, not a prominent public official.But there were two other claims that stood out for me. First, there was this gen:“In three short years, an unprecedented explosion of spending, with borrowed money, has added trillions to an already unaffordable national debt.”Actually, the biggest drivers of our unaffordable national debt are the Bush-era tax cuts that didn’t work. Daniels should be able to understand this — he was Bush’s budget director when the administration demanded tax cuts we couldn’t afford. If forced to choose one person who bears most of the responsibility for the size of the U.S. national debt, one of the leading contenders would have to be Mitch Daniels.

    • Gregg

      Pulease!

      • Anonymous

        My sentiments exactly when I read some of the stuff you post.

    • Modavations

      The business of the Dependency Party is to keep poor people poor.And all for a vote.Wait till your Karma catches up

      • Anonymous

        Yep is sure does.

    • Gregg

      CBO is good at keeping track but their projections are meaningless. Look how wrong they were about Clinton.

  • Peter Lake

    It was

    YES WE CAN

    now it’s

    WHY WE COULDN’T

    • Gregg

      Perfect!

      • Anonymous

        Like a debutant on a date,
        He can’t wait!
        To “not do it.”
        (He likes the way we are attracted, and gets off on our frustration. It’s a high class trait.)
        All these candidates are Teases.
        (Especially that saucy Santorum)
        Being loyal to a Party amounts to wearing a cheesehead.

        • Modavations

          Still crying about your Light Bulbs Hundie.Careful tear drops on Birkenstocks

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Moda goes on and on about others ‘stalking’, yet has made several ‘Hundie Watts’ comments about Grady, with NO remarks at him from Grady?

          • Modavations

            mIND YOUR OWN FRIGGIN BUSINESS.He knows exactly what I’m talking about.Here’s a simple solution.Don’t acknowledge me and I’ll do the same.And quit poking your nose in like a hysterical woman

          • Ray in VT

            That’s a bit sexist.  Calm down son, you’re starting to sweat.

          • Modavations

            I’m a saleman,we don’t sweat,Ray from the mean streets of Johnson.

    • BEEZ

      Right; why we couldn’t… but how we still can

    • TFRX

      Your comment has been placed on anonymous hold, and will only be brought up for a vote when we get 60% of this board’s approval.

  • Chris

    If only we could believe what Obama said last night.

    Too bad we can’t as his actions these past 3 years have proven.

    • Anonymous

      sound assumption, Chris

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Funny how it’s not framed as “class warfare” when they want to literally take the food out of (poor) kids mouths to insure the rich can keep getting richer.

  • David

    Would love to know how the President is going to put into action his threat to decrease federal funding to colleges if they do not slow the rate of the cost of a college education….

  • Greyman

    And, Mr. McManus, the same day we learned that Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) paid even a LOWER rate than Mitt Romney.

    • BEEZ

      Right, they are both rich, and (most likely) followed the tax laws. Just more evidence that tax reform is neccessary to make them pay their fair share. It’s not a partisan issue, it falls in the “grey” area.

      • Greyman

        Or: it’s indicative that most Americans have no conception of what “risk” consists of in terms of investments. I don’t begrudge Kerry or his wife their money, but if they’re invested in tax-free municipal bonds, sound reasons exist for their not being taxed on those specific investments AT ALL.

      • Anonymous

        Well, it’s just plain harder paying taxes in ketchup than in IOUs. Spot me a billion and I’ll comp you next year.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Should the 47% who pay ZERO income tax contribute?  How is that fair?

        There is a reason muni bonds (Kerry) and investment income (Romney) have favorable tax rates.  What would happen to local governments borrowing power if muni bonds tax rates changed? What would happen to economic growth if investment income taxes are increased?

  • Ray in VT

    How can someone like Mr. Daniels keep a straight face when suggesting that the GOP does not attempt to pit some groups against others?  One need only look at the general GOP line on issues like gay rights to see that such an assertion is patently false.

    • Anonymous

      We’re all stampeding toward the same precipice. 
      Sure there’s alot of ba-a-aing on the way, but we always follow the ram with the money. 
      See Yar, you’re no different than Mitt, or didn’t you put $100 million in a trust tax free for your kids yet? 
      He worked ha-a-a-rd, even come in on Saddity once, just like Shrub. (Where does his valet buy those unflattering jeans anyway?) This campaign is inferior in credibility to the Howdy Doody Show (double-doody).
      Didn’t Newt used to be a dummy on that show? Yea, he was the big person doing big things. You  could only see his feet.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        SOOO much TRUTH! 
           Is Howdy Doody in syndication on cable, or did you make a comparision that shows you’re ancient like me?
           Remember that about half of the nation were NOT born when that show went off the air!

  • BEEZ

    Republicans are one (or more of the following):
    racist, very wealthy, incredibly ignorant, uninformed, sheep, plain old stupid

    • BEEZ

      yes, I know, I typo’d the parenthesis

      • Anonymous

        And democrats get nervous around rich people.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    While Obama was invoking the name of Teddy Roosevelt, why not quote Reagan by name when Reagan said, “When a bus driver is paying a higher tax rate than a millionaire, that’s crazy!”

    He should have rolled out some CBO numbers about inheritance tax – whom it effects and how much money is lost, how much money is lost to tax breaks for millionaires, how much money is being saved by the his Health Care Act and how much it would cost to repeal it, how many jobs were saved and created by his stimulus and loans to car companies.

    • Anonymous

      What Reagan intimated in his subtext was “…that’s crazy-good.” (See he always hated busdrivers and wouldn’t get on a bus, since public transportation is low-class and GE wouldn’t approve.) Remember that Reagan’s other middle name besides Woodrow Wilson was Alzheimer. Daddy Bush was always a brainfart away from the Ovaltine Office.

  • Charles A. Bowsher

    After witnessing the Republican Primary Debates and Elections I am a bit worried for the “Party of Lincoln”.  Republican Party politicians appear to be on a self-destructive course similar to the 2006 elecion cycle.  Not only are they still clinging to their unproductive, failed tax cuts for the wealthy which never created anywhere near the number of jobs they claimed would be created.  They appear intent on nominating as their Presidential candidate either the poster-boy for how the wealthy have gamed the tax system (I would say cheated) for their own benefit, or they will nominate the most hypocritical, poisionous Speaker the House of Representatives has ever known. 
    Then last night to rebut the Presidents State of the Union Address they choose Mitch Daniels, Governor of Inidana.  The same oppurtunistic Governor who once the 3% Federal payroll tax reduction was passed promptly raised his own state income taxes by the same 3% level.   Nice guy.  He is rumored to be on the short list of candidates if their is a brokered Republican Convention this year.  He couldn’t even get basic facts right in his short rebuttal. He claimed that Steve Jobs created more jobs than were created by the “Obama Stimulus”.  Apple only employees 43,000 people in America.  The stimulus (which was 1/3rd tax cuts, 1/3rd aid to the states and 1/3rd stimulus) created between 1 million to 2.9 million jobs.  Perhaps Gov. Daniels was counting jobs in China and other countries where Apple makes its products.  Do those really count in this comparison?
     
    His vision of the ”haves and soon to have” is just doublespeak for the real Republican mantra once expressed by then President George W. Bush when he looked around at the $100,000 a plate dinner guests and said “This is my kind of crowd, the haves and the have mores”. That is the Republican Party establishment in a nutshell. They apparently are intent to continue to say one thing and mean another. Claim they are for the common person, yet cling to tax cuts for the wealthy with their dying breaths.
     
    If the Republican party is ever to be a force for good again for our nation, they need to purge themselves of the old angry white men, and instead opt for a more representative slice of America.  I am torn whether to wish them well in this endeavor.  I still carry a lot of anger and resentment over their inate selfishness and short-sightedness over the previous decades.  I still maintain that they should have had to sit out of several election cycles after the debacles of the Bush era.  Maybe Karma is coming home to roost?Charles A. Bowsher

    • Anonymous

      Charles, good to see you’re surviving.
      Good old Mitch was referring to jobs Steve Jobs “created” at Foxxcom in China I’m sure. These are the same type of exit-level jobs (10K workers on a roof threatening suicide) that Daniel’s might spend incentive money bringing through Indiana on their way to Equador. Only connected guys at the top can understand how Globalism creates value, and Daniels possesses the requisite type of pointy head, so he gets it (the PAC money). If only good old Mitch (Eisenhower look-alike)understood that most of the 3 million jobs created in the last 3 years by the private sector are “exit-level” type employment he could have brought that up and provided a really lively critique.

      • Charles A. Bowsher

        I’m still breathing, but as to surviving that will soon be in the courts hands. Not literal survival, but the more important survival of my spirit. I am suing the city where I live for backing up sewage into my home six times in the last 15 years. As a non-attorney representing myself  I am up aginst it so to speak.  Pushing for a limit to Sovereign Immunity is no small task.  Odds are 999 to 1 against, yet I will “endeavor to persevere”.Charles
        ak

        • Gregg

          Good luck with that.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          YOU CAN FIGHT CITY HALL!!  YOU CAN WIN!  NOT saying you will win, and that the odds aren’t greatly against you! 
              Get ALL of your evidence.  Get ALL of the aplicable laws, precedents, documentation, witnesses, and ALL the things you need, BEFORE you go to court the first time!

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  • Ellen Dibble

    If the Democrats can bring us those things highlighted by Obama, and the Republicans can bring us Simpson/Bowles and reform of the Medicare/Social Security piece thereby steering the national debt back into sight, then altogether I’m satisfied.  I slept well.

    • TFRX

      You trust the GOP to reform Medicare or Social Security?

      I don’t. Whenever a right-winger, conserva-dem, or Beltway Inbred says “reform”, I hold on to my wallet.

    • Anonymous

      The Republicans aren’t serious about the debt.  They opposed the creation of Simpson/Bowles.  They don’t want to reform Medicare and Social Security, they have always opposed them and want to gut them.  Look at the Ryan plan.  Even Newt is against that.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        The Ryan plan has been modified on with a bi-partisan proposal: Ryan-Wydan .  Specifically, it was an adoption of Romney’s modification of the Ryan plan.

        Newt is all over the place so quoting him is silly.

        Your analysis of Simpson Bowles is not accurate.  Tom Coburn and other GOP said they could support it.  The ones that didn’t vote for it said it didn’t cut enough spending and balance the budget soon enough but if the President had shown leadership and pushed it there is no way they wouldn’t support it.

        • Anonymous

          The Republicans opposed the formation of the committee in the first place as soon as Obama proposed it.

          • Anonymous

            Many of his proposals that the Republicans vote against began as Republican ideas.  His Health Care plan was modeled on Dole’s and Romney’s.  They would find a way to oppose this too.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            The nexus between Obamacare and Romneycare is very thin.

            Romneycare was crafted for specific problems (ER room overcrowding for non-urgent care) in a single state.

            Obamacare = 2300pages
            Romneycare = 60 pages

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Then they quickly realized their stupidity and embraced it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The Dow finally bottomed out in the 6K’s two months after Obama came into office. It’s in the 12k’s now.

    If McCain had been elected and the economy had done exactly what it had done under Obama, conservatives would be praising McCain as a saviour.

    • Ray in VT

      and there you have the annoying hypocrisy and grandstanding that is politics.

  • the last moderate

    I can’t really get my mind around the fact that thinking it’s unfair for Mitt Romney to a smaller portion of his income in taxes than I do is class warfare, but Newt Gingrich recommending janitor training for poor black kids is not. 

    • notafeminista

      How is  it the party of the so-called enlightened can so miss the point.

  • Ellen Dibble

    The biggest applause line of Obama’s was when he said he concurred with Abraham Lincoln, that government should do –and ONLY do — what citizens cannot do better individually (by themselves).  I forget how he phrased it.  It wowed everyone in the building.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wes-Nickerson/100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

    Obama is an impressive speaker, but what has he actually done in office? What is his record? Why should we believe him now? In office he has been promoting the Wall Street agenda, filling his cabinet with the very Wall Street insiders who caused the economic collapse.

    What is he doing to reverse climate change/global warming? It’s full steam ahead on the USS Titanic. He is all “drill baby drill,” just like the Republicans. He lies about clean gas fracking – there is no such thing. Fracking pollutes groundwater. I say don’t support the Republicans or the Democrats. I say support the Greens.

    Tune in to hear the real State of the Union and find out what’s really going on and what to do about it. Listen in to the People’s State of the Union presented by Jill Stein, Green candidate for President, at http://www.jillstein.org/ today at 8:30 pm EST.
     

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      A lot in 3 years compared to Bushy

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wes-Nickerson/100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

        Can you be more specific?

  • BHA in Vermont

    We are lowering taxes on the wrong group of people. The economy will grow faster if the 99% have more money to spend than if millionaires have more money to ‘invest’. The 99% buy products and services which creates jobs for people to provide them. A LOT of the 99% spend everything they make because they barely make enough to live on. No job, no purchases. The rich “job creators” haven’t been creating jobs with the money they kept due to lower taxes. That GWB ‘experiment’ is a colossal failure for everyone but the rich.

    I do not envy the rich and their money but the people who make the most money should pay the highest percentage of their income in taxes.  When you make more money in a month than the 99% can hope to make in a lifetime AND pay a lower tax rate, something is very, very WRONG.

  • Sara in VT

    I want to believe him, but when I hear him talk about the super rich paying more, I think about the tax cuts that he extended with what looked like little effort to end them.  When I heard him talk about holding financial institutions accountable, I look at the people he hired to advise him on the economy-many of the same people that were involved in orchestrating the downfall.  I want to believe him but…

  • David

    I listened to the first hour of the speech, and I’m still not going to vote for him again.  He has never come clean about going back on his vigorous campaign pledges to close Gitmo, end BOTH wars, avoid signing statements, not extend the Bush tax cuts, fully televise the healthcare debates (not on sessions after the fact), and so forth.  I believe in holding elected officials responsible for their promises, not voting for the lesser of 2 evils on a given day.  The President has never once explained why he went back on his campaign pledges.  Even an, “I truly meant what I said when I campaigned, but once in office, it’s so different…”  It’s too late now for him to do that, and so he’s out the door come November if I have any say…

  • Ellen Dibble

    The biggest laugh line had to do with government regulation, where Obama had found out that dairy farmers are regulated in how they deal with milk spills because milk is classified as an oil.  
       It seems to me that a lot of regulation is sort of bought by Big Money in the interests of de facto cartels trying to keep competition OUT of the picture — which I heard this morning is just what Adam Smith foretold.  But apparently this is not possible to actually back out of the System.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Here is the problem with Obama.  The EPA regulations on milk as oil made headlines last February.  Why didn’t his administration fix the silliness then?  He is a talker, not a doer.

      On an interesting side note, media matters wrote a piece in March of 2011, disputing Steve Forbes claim that the EPA was regulating milk spills.  I guess Obama debunked media matters authenticity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1439572620 Joe Lee

    I’m getting really tired of the hypocrisy around the claims of class warfare. If there is class warfare going on, it’s being done at the top against the bottom.

    The wealthiest of the US have bought enough influence to manipulate the regulations to benefit their own interests at the cost of the majority. 

    Just look at the low tax rates on “investments” versus income. Look at the treatment of existing wealth over earned income. The field is skewed. It’s not envy at the fact that people are wealthy, but that they are in essence changing the rules of the game to their own benefit.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Many of Daniel’s remarks have been proven, at best, misleading, and it
    worst just plain untrue, and that’s according to an NPR story based on
    neutral sources, such as the CBO, Politifact, et al.

    A few times, as I listens to Daniels, I was thinking, either: “Wasn’t that the President’s point?” Having it come out of a Republican mouth doesn’t make a different idea

    and

    “That (what he was condemning) was originally a Republican idea, why are you against it now?”

    Case in point, and two bird with one stone, – The individual mandate for insurance. 

  • Ellen Dibble

    Obama was asking Congress to allow him to shrink the Executive branch — the agencies.  He had some choice language for the stuck-in-mud situation there.  Is this pie-in-the-sky?  Is it possible for Congress to hand him that right?

  • Bcheck

    Surprise! The entire forum is on the left.

    • Anonymous

      so? I guess by your comment you are not. If so then I take it the use of the word entire is grossly exaggerated.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        you admitted your a Lefty. WOW!!!! WHO LOVE TAX

        • Anonymous

          I’ve done that many times. You really have some confused ideas. Why the caps? I never said I love taxes. Who does? But as an adult I know I have to pay them. I’m for a more transparent government that is held accountable for it’s actions. Not smaller and useless, but more efficient.
          Taxes are a necessity for society to work.
          It’s the price we pay for civilization.

          Grow up.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Well, you sounded like you love tax. confused ideas? Did I mentioned any ideas on my comment(s) before? I never had ideas it was all an opinion. you are so so confused person that your contagious.
            You want me to copy and paste your ideas for the past 3 years.

            You have more Ridiculous Ideas than any other commentors on One Point. Check your infamous ideas about tax etc.

          • Anonymous

            Oh boy. Opinions do have a tendency to reflect on a persons ideology, which in turn are a reflection of what they believe in. What one has as a philosophy is made up of ideas in one form or another. So on one level opinions do reflect ones ideas.
            I’ve not posted much on taxes myself as far as I know. 

            You’re a hoot, now call what I post ridiculous and infamous. Infamous! Bruuhaha…. Genghis Khan was infamous, my postings, however inspired or uninspired they may be are not.

            You do seem to have something going on, I call it the chip on the shoulder syndrome. Yours seems to be rather large and cumbersome.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            thank you for your encyclopedia explanation of unbearable arrogance revised edition VOL.3

            by the way Genghis Khan’s great great great grand nephew lives in Manila. Getting mad when people call you names? but actually YOU ARE THE ONE STARTED CALLING ME NAMES. you freak!!!!!

          • Anonymous

            No I said grow up. 
            I’m not getting mad. I’m not the one writing in all caps, you are. 
            Now you call me a freak. Well at least I’m not a confused ideologue who flips to people who agree with him as you do.

            Tell me something, you said you are from the Philippines and yet you act as if your are a right winger. Would you be one if you lived there?
            Also calling people a freak kind of gives credence to them asking you to grow up.

          • Modavations

            I like you more and more

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Genghis Khan. LOL!!!!

    • Ray in VT

      Maybe they could get Michael Savage and Pat Robertson to add some “balance”.  Three journalists doesn’t strike me as being a leftist panel.  It’s not like these people work for the Daily Worker.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

      Left and right all depend on where your are standing.

      Obama, in my opinion, went way too far to the right in his first term.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      what is new and they’re irritable too. keep quiet they might bombard you with kind words watch out with mister Grumpy Jeff68.

      • Anonymous

        I’m not bad, just drawn that way…

        Seriously, how old are you? Try growing up a little.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          try to grow up? are you making a fool yourself?
          You are Hanging out on message boards and watching cartoons does not prove you’re grown up either.

          • Anonymous

            I never said I watch cartoons. I do watch South Park sometimes, but they are satire. Do you know what satire is?

            Maybe you should take heed of your own advice and stop hanging out on the On Point forum. I have the day off today, and work in the afternoons to evenings on the days I work. What’s your excuse?

          • Modavations

            There’s too much free speech goin on roun here

          • Anonymous

            Thank goodness it’s free, since that’s all a lot of it is worth.

    • Anonymous

      Given your sense of direction, you must need a compass the moment you walk out your door, if not sooner.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    One signal of politics as usual – Boehner (not surprisingly) condemned the content of Obama’s State of the Union address – a day or so before Obama made it.

  • Michiganjf

    It’s NO COINCIDENCE the decline of the middle-class COINCIDES PERFECTLY with the ascendance of the Republican Party in America!!!

    If we want prosperity again, we need to VOTE OUT ALL REPUBLICANS!!!!

    The best years the American middle-class ever saw were the almost 50 years of Democratic control of Congress following WWII.

    VOTE OUT REPUBLICANS IN 2012!!!!!!!

    • Still Here

      We’ve seen how well Democrats can run a state like Michigan!  Last one out, turn off the lights in Detroit!

      • Same Old Cory

        Michigan from 1945-1980???????

        • Michiganjf

          Ha!

             Nice one Cory!

  • Still Here

    Big government, bigger government, biggest government …

    The story of Barry’s first three years.

  • margaret/Omaha, NE

    Fact: Corporations are leaving China due to Cost increase and quality decrease. USA needs to address incitements to have companies return to USA rather then going to other countries.

  • Newton Whale

    It’s hard to imagine a President more successful in fighting terrorists than Obama:

    MOGADISHU, Somalia — The same U.S. Navy SEAL unit that killed Osama bin Laden parachuted into Somalia under cover of darkness early Wednesday and crept up to an outdoor camp where an American woman and Danish man were being held hostage. Soon, nine kidnappers were dead and both hostages were freed.
    President Barack Obama authorized the mission by SEAL Team 6 two days earlier, and minutes after he gave his State of the Union address to Congress he was on the phone with the American’s father to tell him his daughter was safe.
    New intelligence emerged last week that Buchanan’s health was “deteriorating rapidly,” so Obama directed his security team to develop a rescue plan, according to a senior administration official who was not authorized to speak publicly.”As Commander-in-Chief, I could not be prouder of the troops who carried out this mission, and the dedicated professionals who supported their efforts,” Obama said in a statement released by the White House. “The United States will not tolerate the abduction of our people, and will spare no effort to secure the safety of our citizens and to bring their captors to justice.” 

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501710_162-57365418/us-military-raid-in-somalia-frees-american-dane/ 

    • Still Here

      Let’s do a body count of the innocents.  That’s what’s really impressive about this blood-thirsty president!

      • Anonymous

        Do you use the same metric in evaluating our Iraq, Af-Pk endeavors too?  Why don’t you enlighten us with your views about all those blood-thirsty murderers and child killers we sent there?  Or are your principle elastic?  Or just absent?

    • Gregg

      I saw that earlier, kudos to the troops. I’m happy to throw a little love at Obama too.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Obama drew a line in the sand vis-a-vis Iran’s nuclear, um, adventure.  I hate that, but I saw a very nice hug for Hillary Clinton after the speech. I do wonder what her stand is on that.  

    • Charles A. Bowsher

      What is the big deal about all this drawing lines in the sand. It is a figure of speech I do not understand, or perhaps others who use it don’t understand it. A line in the sand is washed away by the next wave, the next tide or the wind. What happend to setting it in concrete or etching it in stone, actually carving it in stone?

  • Margaret/Omaha,NE

    You know when a speech is a success even Eric Cantor was standing, applauding and smiling

    • notafeminista

      Or he is showing respect to the office.  As he should.

  • Ellen Dibble

    I heard Obama support the pipeline for natural gas from Canada, and it sounded like nobody gets it that such gas is NOT clean; it uses up MORE energy in its production.  The greenhouse generation may be done in Alberta rather than in West Virginia or at the power plant down the river from me, but it sounds to me like McKibben knows what he’s talking about when he says this Deep-Seated oil, frakked oil, is NOT clean energy.  And Mitch Daniels seems to take the same position.  600,000 jobs for that pipeline.  But it seems like Obama is for that pipeline (BOO!), and so are the Republicans.  And each is claiming “credit” for supporting it.  BOO!

  • Tina

    The Faux  News viewers who voted against their own best interests in 2010 were probably laughing it up hysterically during the State of the Union address, not hearing a word that President Obama said.  But they will have memorized the falsehoods of Gingrich and Romney, Paul and Santoro, and they will spout those phrases all the way to the voting booths!!!

  • Jim

    To be honest I couldnt believe that the President called Fracking ‘Clean Energy”. Then went on to talk about how he would open public land to clean energy. Do the math….

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      I smell some crony capitalism.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Obama should have combined his statement about foreign countries deeply subsidizing new technologies, and added to his nuanced reference to Solindra, that the reason why some government investments in businesses have tanked, and will continue to do so, is because that deep subsidizing undercuts American business aka “dumping”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The Bush tax cuts are unsustainable – end of story.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      are we paying for it already?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      All of the Bush tax cuts?

      • Ray in VT

        Probably.  Most of the economists that I have heard talk on this subject say that letting the taxes expire on only the top 2%ish of earners won’t close the gap.

        • Dave

          Economic collapse will benefit the consolidation of power by the elites, be them ostensibly well meaning socialist types or war mongering neocon type. There thirst for entrenched power and Central Bank trough slurping is stronger than their ideologies.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          You’re right.  75% of the tax cuts were below $250K.

          It still would only raise $400B and we’d be still left with a $800B deficit.

          • TomK in Boston

            So what? No one step will solve the entire problem, but raising taxes at the top would make an important contribution, and that’s nothing to dismiss. And why should we be limited to letting the bush cuts expire? Top rates should be a lot higher than the clinton rates, say about 50%.

            When the TOP proposes all their cuts, I don’t hear anyone saying “but that won’t fix the whole deficit”. BTW most economists think that a moderate deficit is good. We don’t want to eliminate the whole thing. Actually, one argument for the bush tax cuts was that we didn’t want to eliminate the deficit.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Keynes was a proponent of modest deficit spending in downturns and surpluses in good times to build rainy day funds.

          • TFRX

            Tangent: You believe Worried about 75% going to “under 250k” range?

            I don’t believe it. And if it’s intended to be a factual statement, there’s still the gulf of income strata below $250k.

            I think he is trying to slip into the idea that tax issues and tax resources for a $240k family are the same as the $24k family.

          • Modavations

            Lad,it’s 70bill per year not 400bill.Chump change thse days

    • TomK in Boston

      Bingo!

      It’s obvious to anyone not wearing ideological blinders that “starve the beast” is in full swing. I mean, they did tell us how they planned to attack. Cut taxes enough and everything that makes a great nation becomes “unsustainable” and in need of cutting. The TeaOP loves to say “sorry, we’re broke!” Yeah, good trick, you made us broke, and now you act horrified, “OMG, we’re broke!” But the real “unsustainables” are rock-botton tax rates and imperial wars.

      The TeaOP have a script about how the USA should be like a family sittin’ around the kitchen table, recognizing that they’re in debt so they have to cut back. Somehow they never mention that this “family” has deliberately chosen to reduce its income by tax cuts, and could raise it again with a stroke of a pen. Stupid, evil, false analogy.

  • TFRX

    I’m sorry, but “Fiscally Responsible Mitch Daniels” said “less government spending”?

    I hate to trot out the tropes:

    1) Donor states (mainly blue and urban) and parasite states (mainly red, rural and/or southern).

    2) The most dangerous place to stand is between a Republican elected official and a stimulus-funded construction project. They can’t help but grab every dollar they can while publicly saying how awful it is.

    Oh, wait: I love doing that.

    • notafeminista

      As I recall, it was the (now) blue/urban states that fought a bloody war to keep the what you refer to as the red-parasitic states in the Union and demanded they accede to the blue/urban states wishes and demands with no real consideration for what might have happened had things been left to run their natural course.  Then, after having done so, decided to “reconstruct” the so-called parasitic red states with all the federal help they could stand..and then, chastise them for being dependent on the very circumstances into which they were forced.

      Disingenous, insulting and completely left through and through.

      • Anonymous

        The North should have let the South go in retrospect.
        Wonder how that would have turned out.

        • notafeminista

          Reap what you sow.

      • TFRX

        That’ll cost you $100 Foxbux for forgetting the lie about “It was about state’s rights, not slavery”.

        Of course, a cursory reading of contemporary works proves otherwise.

        • notafeminista

          A cursory reading of the Constitution provides a nice counterpoint.

        • notafeminista

          Are you suggesting it was appropriate for one sovereign state to invade, pillage and burn another sovereign state that posed no threat and had made no threat to the first sovereign state?

          • TFRX

            Keep making my point for me.

    • notafeminista

      On top of that, during the writing of the Constitution and the squabble over representation (geographical size v. population) and it looked like population was going to win the day, the  (now) red states said, “fine we’ll count the slaves too” – which added something 600,000 to their overall population, giving these dratted parasites an advantage in size AND population.  But no –  bless the (now) blue/urban/donor states’ hearts they said, “well wait a minute. That’s not fair.  We’ll count every 2 of 3 slaves.  How’s that?”

      And the hits just keep on comin.

  • Newton Whale

    An overwhelming majority of Americans approved of the overall message in President Obama’s State of the Union speech on Tuesday night, according to a CBS News poll of speech watchers
    According to the poll, which was conducted online by Knowledge Networks immediately after the president’s address, 91 percent of those who watched the speech approved of the proposals Mr. Obama put forth during his remarks. Only nine percent disapproved.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029581-503544.html 
    Based on our dial session with 28 voters in Columbus, Ohio, President Obama’s State of the Union speech was an exceptionally strong performance, leaving viewers with a clear impression of him as a strong leader who cares about the middle class and offers good ideas and solutions for America’s future.  Voters’ positive reception of the speech’s core themes suggests that they will serve as a solid foundation for the President in the months ahead, in framing both his policy agenda and the case for his reelection.Half the participants in this session describe themselves as either leaning Republican or completely independent, while the other half lean Democratic.  All 28 participants gave the speech a rating of six or higher on a 10-point favorability scale, and more than half gave it an eight-to-10 rating.http://www.prioritiesusaaction.org/blog/2012-01-research-memo-report-on-columbus-swing-voters-respon Dial testing and follow-up focus groups with 50 swing voters in Denver, Colorado show that President Obama’s populist defense of the middle class and their priorities in his State of the Union scored with voters. The President generated strong responses on energy, education and foreign policy, but most important, he made impressive gains on a range of economic measures. These swing voters, even the Republicans, responded enthusiastically to his call for a “Buffet Rule” that would require the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share. As one participant put it, “I agree with his tax reform – the 1 percent should shoulder more of the burden than the other 99 percent. He [Obama] talked about being all for one, one for all – that really resonated for me.” These dial focus groups make it very clear that defending further tax cuts for those at the top of the economic spectrum puts Republicans in Congress and on the Presidential campaign trail well outside of the American mainstream. http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2012/01/president-obama-scores-with-middle-class-message/ 

    • nj

      And a yet underwhelming yet enlightened minority think speeches like this are just so much refined banana oil and hot, wafting air, seducing the gullible.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        The same people that LOVED the broken-phrases, mixed-up-metaphors, twisted logic, blank-faced-delivery, and radio-in-his-ear controlled ‘W’?

    • Charles A. Bowsher

      So now 28 voters or even 50 are going to decide for 300,000,000?  Thank God, no not him/her, thank Steve Jobs or is it Frank (I’m so creepy) Luntz for this miraculous technology?.

  • Ellen Dibble

    I see on the White House website that Obama has two speeches, in Arizona and Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on America, Built to Last.
        I’m so glad he’s using “built to last,” because about 1995 we began to be treated to the idea that computers and so on are NOT guaranteed for life.  Not by a long shot.  They are designed to fail, designed to become outdated and fall apart. My phone that lasted from apparently 1940 to 2000?  No such luck with newer models.  They might last a year.  Those jeans one wore for 15 years till the knees gave way?  Now, you purchase jeans that APPEAR to have been worn like that, and I don’t know how long THAT lasts.
        But business cannot be pleased to hear that Made in America is supposed to be a promise of solidity.  What a downer for the manufacturers.

  • Cindycb

    The caller thinks that big ideas are going to pass congress. He is asking at least for small steps because the Rs will not work with him – not sure what congress the caller has witnessed lately.

    And when did so many people suddenly become aware of the debt and so called “credit card” purchasing by the government? Those trends started 8 years before this administration and now we think this administration is suppose to fix it in 3 years.

    Introducing incentives, policies, to get congress to work together, get people back to work costs money, but it is through this revenue we will fix the economy, not taking away much needed programs we still have.

    Besides, who’s ever started a business without money – something to help them with their startup? Same for gov. helping the people get back to work.
    _Cindy

  • TFRX

    “Bill Clinton talked for 90 minutes once” in a SOTU speech, per a panelist (Lizza or McManus).

    And voters in poll after poll raved about that speech, while pundits hated it. (If it’s the one in the mid-90s I’m thinking about.)

    That’s when I stopped paying attention to pundits to interpret anything a Democrat said.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      I doubt any ‘voter’ stayed awake for that snoozer.  Only people who were paid to listen (ie, pundits) actually heard it.

      • TFRX

        Yeah, let’s take your words over the polls that were out at the time.

        What’s it like inside your bubble?

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Ambien sales tanked once that snoozer hit youtube.

          • TFRX

            YouTube existed fifteen years ago?

            What’s it like on your home planet, “reasonable right-winger”?

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            LOL I’m just play’n.

            But Clinton’s speeches were way too long, IMHO.

          • TFRX

            Let’s see. Your opinion, (plus) all the puwho couldn’t stop telling everyone how long-winded the speech was.

            Or all the polls at the time which were ignored by the pundits.

            Which to believe?

          • TFRX

            Ugh. Edit error:

            or all the pundits who couldn’t stop ignoring polls which said voters loved the speech, because it didn’t fit their narrative

  • Ed Siefker

    Forget the State of the Union address.  Look at how Obama has governed in the past 3 years and ask yourself if that looks like populism:

    We still haven’t seen a single senior bank exec go to jail for the financial fraud crisis of 2008.  Instead, the very people who caused the crisis were allowed to write the laws that got them bailed out.  Is it any coincidence that Obama’s largest donor is Goldman Sachs? Does that sound like populism? 

    Obama ignored the doctors and nurses who called for single payer healthcare, instead giving insurance companies a mandate…. delivering millions of the healthiest, most profitable customers.  Does that sound like populism?

    Obama has continued to pour billions of dollars into the TSA, which hasn’t made one American a whit safer, but it has made private contractors wealthy at the expense of our civil liberties.  Does that sound like populism?

    Obama started an illegal war in oil rich Libya, under the pretense of humanitarianism.  Still no intervention in oil-poor Syria or Bahrain.  Does that sound like populism?

    The fact is both Democrats and Republicans are completely beholden to corporations.  Any talk of “class warfare” is just a dog and pony show.  Sorry Obama, you had your chance and you showed your true colors as a corporatist.  Obama serves the 1%, and if we reelect Obama we reelect the 1%.

    How do people continue to fall for this crap?  Vote third party or stay home!

    • GoodDog

      Well said.  Actions speak louder than words, and folks should demand results not rhetoric. Same old same old.

    • Anonymous

          A bit of hyperbole on the Libya issue, perhaps. But, otherwise, a spot on assessment of the president’s failures.

    • nj

      Right on, Ed!

      So much time and effort dissecting the pablum of political rhetoric as if it has any connection to reality.Go Rocky Anderson!

  • BHA in Vermont

    It was bad enough when the opposition wrote their responses before the speech. Now they are GIVING their responses before the speech.  Clearly they have no intention of listening.  Since they ‘got the job done’ before the speech, they are free to play with their smart phones or twiddle their thumbs.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Trading  Insider Stocks?

  • Dave

    Unfortunately, Obama’s tough talk about holding the Wall St Banking crooks, comes 3 years too late.  Not to mention they pepper his administration.

    • Akfaka

      Is there one politician in the White House and the Congress hasn’t been bought by Wall Street?

      The corruption runs so deep that it’s irreversible.

      • Dave

        Do I have to say it?  Ron Paul. Prove otherwise before the smearing begins.

        He’s the only one mature enough to accept and talk about scarcity, sound money and the corrupt power enabled by Fed funny money.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      3 years too late?  Was Obama the President 3 years ago?  Or was it “Heckuva job Brownie!” ‘W’?

      • GoodDog

        ?

        Ok, 2.5 years ago.

        How that would not be job one for any honest American is beyond me.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Wouldn’t it take YOU a while to get ALL the components of your administration together, if elected to that office?
             How far into ANY administration, do the actions of the past administration cause confusion, and conflict, unless it is a hand-off to the Vice President?

          • notafeminista

            Hum.  Sounds like you’re dangerously close to giving the previous administration a pass.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            On What?

      • notafeminista

        Uh yes.  He was.  Jan 20, 2009 President Obama was inaugurated.

  • TFRX

    The caller at 42 minutes says “Obama’s use of ‘class warfare’ is divisive”.

    Hope the caller isn’t one of those suckers who only learned the words “class warfare” when the non-rich started fighting back. If not, he’s just another serf kneeling at the feet of his lord.

    Actually, strike that: Serfs didn’t toil under the delusion that lordshipdom would be theirs one day. They accepted that God and King looked with favor on the landed gentry.

    • Charles A. Bowsher

      It wasn’t “Class Warfare” that put us where we are, it was “Class Genocide” (copyright cab 2010 or 2011). So a little “Class Warfare” should be considered to be a reasoned response to the force that has destroyed our middle-class.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I can’t believe it, a Republican Presidential candidate will be facing Obama soon on a debate and it will be a Duh moment for that Republican.

  • Same Old Cory

    Class warfare?   Yes please!

    • Ray in VT

      I think that many people don’t realize what real class warfare has meant in other countries.  When times have gotten bad enough, and people have gotten desperate enough, then there has been real class warfare and heads have rolled.  I think that we can all agree that that is a road that we want to stay well away from.

      • Anonymous

        Unequality needs to be addressed and it is much better for everyone to do it in a civilized manner now rather than let it fester.

        • Ray in VT

          Agreed.

        • notafeminista

          Right on.  Making the playing field level and lower our standards until they are they are non-existent.  Expect equality of results regardless of quality of effort.

          And people wonder why test scores are in the tank.

          • notafeminista

            ‘or effort.’  Dratted editor.

          • Still Here

            of works as well

          • Ray in VT

            But there is a difference between a marginally leveler playing field, in terms of economic outcomes, and a level one.  Slightly higher marginal tax rates are hardly likely to cause wealthy people to stop working.  CEOs still showed up and worked back in the day when they made 50 or 100 times what workers did.  Guys still played ball for a living when they still had to have a real job in the off season.  There’s plenty of room between the two extremes.

          • Steve Karasek

            Part of the reason test scores are in the tank is that we don’t teach the way our competitors across the sea do. We teach to learn, rather than rote memorization.

            One is MUCH more useful than the other; if I want to recall  schrodinger’s equation for a two-electron system, I’ll use Wikipedia or a textbook (unless I’ve been using it recently). If I want to know how it’s used, I’ll rely on the methods I have learned to delve in and figure out how I should apply it to the problem in question. Real life is never so simple as the examples set in the perfect world of a classroom.

          • Modavations

            Santa Cruz High School Cirriculum…..
            A.Beginners Social Justice
            B.Advanced Social Justice
            C.Gay History
            D.Feminist History
            E.Windmills
            F.Advanced Windmills

          • notafeminista

            Then how come no one is learning anything?  “shcool”

            Judas priest.

      • TFRX

        Yep. The rich in this country won’t know what “class warfare” is until they all need armored limosines, and “gated communities” have armed guards in front and razor-wire on top.

        The rich in this country have paid relatively little to not worry about their physical safety. Their whining about taxes begs for a Twilight Zone-style dream sequence.

        • notafeminista

          And they say Communism is discredited.  Despotic measures indeed.

          • TFRX

            Brazil is communist? Somalia?

            Nice try.

          • notafeminista

            Ha!  Somalia is nothing – a failed state as it were.  Is that the best you’ve got?

          • TFRX

            Somalia and Brazil are low-tax, no govt havens. The closest thing we have to Libertopia on the planet.

            Try to keep up.

          • Modavations

            Have you ever been to Rio.One block in from the main drag is no mans land.Or do you refer the the movie with the zillions of Dems in their cubicles

          • TFRX

            Somalia and Brazil are low-tax, no govt havens. The closest thing we have to Libertopia on the planet.

            Try to keep up.

             

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    It is class warfare!  But it’s the rich (business and individuals) spending money to make laws to benefit themselves, so  that they can keep more of their money, and use other people’s money to prop themselves up;  and those in Congress making sure they don’t have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. It’s the capitalist version of Orwell’s “Animal Farm” – “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

    Elizabeth Warren stated last nigh on Jon Stewart, that Biz Biz and Big Banks are spending more money on lobbying to make laws that work in their favor, than on what they spend on paying those that work for them.  What does that say about those in power? It’s the “golden rule” that “He who has the gold makes the rules.”

    • Charles A. Bowsher

      It wasn’t “Class Warfare” that put us where we are, it was “Class Genocide” (copyright cab 2010 or 2011). So a little “Class Warfare” should be considered to be a reasoned response to the force that has destroyed our middle-class.  

    • notafeminista

      Are you including the AFL-CIO in your rogue’s gallery?

    • TomK in Boston

      Class warfare has been raging since 1980. Reagan voodoo economics IS class warfare, and it’s been very successful. However the current TPO spin is that class warfare is noticing that you’re losing the war.

  • Greyman

    Obama invokes “tax fairness” at this juncture; but without specifying application of new revenues to reduce deficits, every taxpayer has every expectation that the net result would be: more spending for more programs yielding even more protracted deficits. Obama STILL refuses to concede that the rate of Federal spending is UNSUSTAINABLE, while most economists concede that even increasing taxes on the top 1% will do nothing to address the cavernous deficits that lurk in our immediate future.

    • TFRX

      while most economists concede that even increasing taxes on the top 1% will do nothing to address the cavernous deficits that lurk in our immediate future.

      Forget for a moment that “restoring tax rates” on the wealthy, to Reagan-era levels or such, is what you mean.

      Did you just slip from “won’t cover the deficit” to “will do nothing to address the deficit”?

      If so, nice try.

      And if so, can I go out to dinner with you, then slip off to the restroom when the waitress comes with the check? Because my throwing some money into the pot won’t do anything to address the bill the restaurant presents us with.

      • Greyman

        Just as easily, you can construe “will do nothing to address the deficit” as “won’t cover the deficit”. But in terms of style, permit this amendment: “will do next to nothing to address the deficit” . . . or, to conform to your usage: “while most economists concede that even increasing taxes on the top 1% will not cover the cavernous deficits that lurk in our immediate future”. –Thanks for the close reading!

        • TomK in Boston

          No one step will eliminate the entire deficit. However, the way the smoke blows is that a proposed tax hike is attacked for not eliminating the entire deficit, while a proposed spending cut is good no matter how little impact it might have on the deficit. 

          • TFRX

            Your observation of the framing is spot-on.

            Remember, eliminating all funding for PP and public broadcasting will save upwards of $3 million a year!

            But normalizing the top marginal tax rates on those in the top tier will only bring in a few hundred billion annually.

            (h/t Jon Stewart)

        • TFRX

          Your idea of “most economists”, meaning, what again?

          Responsible, moderate, real-world right-wingers had 8 years of Shrub (including a heralded 5-year expansion) to fix this.

          If you count yourself among them, youse hads yer chance.

          • Greyman

            My idea of “most economists” means, flatly, most economists, which is the sense I get from regularly listening to NPR: I haven’t heard anyone say that increasing tax rates for the top 1% would come close to COVERING the Federal deficit.

          • Modavations

            70 Billion per yr.No mas,that’s it,.To quote Herr Carville,It’s the spending stupid

          • Greyman

            Exactly. Based on his record, Obama would view $70 billion in new revenue as an excuse to propose spending increases of $150 billion or more. 

          • Modavations

            o matter how much you give them,the hacks will spend it and spend some more

        • Steve Karasek

          His point is valid though… every little bit helps. As for the 47% not paying federal income tax? They pay every other tax we do, excluding perhaps capital gains.

          And to sound like a douchebag centrist, your point of is valid too. We can’t tax our way out of this hole, but cutting spending on things we need will only hurt us in the long run. Science moved VERY SLOWLY until we started putting more into schools and research, and now that pandora’s box is open and the secret is out, our competitors are investing like mad; they also like to share their findings much less than we do. And I like being able to drive to work in record time with the nice road system we have.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Or get products from one place to the other, FASTER than the government-priority Red Ball did in the 50′s?

    • Charles A. Bowsher

      I am sick of hearing that applying this or that to the wealthy won’t solve the debt problem. So? We have to start somewhere, and starting with the wealthy and the people whose incomes are derived from “carried interest’ is the perfect starting point. After all, begun is half-done!

      • Greyman

        Do you have a good idea of how large the Federal deficit is? You could tax Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, John Kerry and his wife, and Mitt Romney at a 99.9% tax rate, along with everyone else in their class, and you would not even have begun to address the deficit, in substantive terms (TFRX: nota bene!). The Federal deficit is much more vast and deep than any credible plan to tax the super-wealthy could begin to deal with. Federal OVERspending remains the chief issue, which Obama continues to keep silent about.

        • Still Here

          He’s far from silent, he’s planning on spending a lot more.

        • Anonymous

          This makes so much sense that I used it with my creditors, telling them that if I made my periodic payments like they want, it really wouldn’t pay off my whole debt and would have barely any impact on their bottom line, and they could surely reduce their operating costs to more than make up for the amount of my payment, so it made no sense for me to make my piddly little payment. For some reason, they thought my analysis was just nuts. 

        • Charles A. Bowsher

          Let’s see, if we tax a billionaire at 99.9% they would still have $1,000,000 left. Sounds just about right to me!. Are you oblivious to the other scam that Romney has pulled by transferring $100,000,000 to his sons via a “blind” trust to avoid gift and estate taxes?
          Oh wait, they paid $10,000,000. Whine, whine, whine, all the way to one of their homes.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Wouldn’t that $BILLIONAIRE still have $10,000,000?  A $Billion is a thousand million?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          The old, goofy, mis-direction of taxing the wealthy 99%, or 100%! 
             The ONLY people that mention that, are trying to mis-direct the serious conversation!

    • Gregg

      Then he conflates billionaires with those earning $250K. “Fair share” is meaningless and emotional. People buy it. Go figure.

  • GoodDog

    The status quo ruling class doesn’t care about the debt, solvency or sound money.  They will be there to rig the system that replaces our bankruptcy. Likely in concert with other global finance elites.

    The crises are what give them the ability to further consolidate power.

    Meanwhile we succumb to the Democrats mirage of debt-based “equality” and pretending scarcity doesn’t exist, and the Republicans sell us fear to continue the wars.

    Lemmings.

  • Bill

    I’m From Detroit… If our president is going to hold up Detroit     (and the domestic auto industry) as an example of his successful economic policies, then I believe he needs to get his head checked.
    _Bill

    • TFRX

      What would Detroit be without Obama taking the risk to save two of the big three of America’s auto industry? I hazard to guess.

      The “divisor” effect (if you will, the reverse of the multiplier effect) of letting GM and Chrysler crater would have been ruinous. When it comes to actual chunks of productive econony, it’s an incredible success. When we look at the real numbers of how the economy was going off a cliff then (even though we didn’t know it), even moreso.

      My guess is that if a Republican had done this, the framing from the media would be much more positive. Think Ronald “Free Markets” Reagan’s intereference to save Harley-Davidson about 30 years ago. The success is part of his “legacy”, the messy details about how he went against his supposed economic philosphy are hand-waved away.

      • Modavations

        liberated

        • TFRX

          I’d ask you to elaborate, but from you a one-word non-sequitor makes no less sense than full sentences.

        • Steve Karasek

          Yes, liberated from their jobs.

          I guess what gets me annoyed is, a common viewpoint is that we needed TARP but not the auto bailouts. I can see propping up the financial institutions who were too stupid to survive on their own, because otherwise we’d have had a massive run on the banks. However, it should have come at the cost of every institution who needed a bailout being owned by the government, not some pathetic stock options with no stockholder voting rights. Like the auto bailouts.
          Ironically, it’s looking like the free market is going to do what the government could not- shrink the financial sector and take our money back anyways, distributing it to main street via the market.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            That makes a nice dream about the free market!

          • Steve Karasek

            Oh it’s a dream to believe that it will continue for very long. What I mean is, financials have been TANKING recently.

            I _hope_ it’s because people are realizing that this zero sum game of betting our farms isn’t real growth, it’s just casino capitalism.

            Just in case though, let’s get that litigation started and regulation passed. And all work to make sure that if we can help it, nothing like this happens again during our lifetimes.

  • Ellen Dibble

    The panel is talking about you can’t balance the budget by taxing the rich.  And this is a mathematical fact, it seems to me, but he defines $250,000 as the level below which you are struggling to hold it together.  This was the level he used when campaigning four years ago.  To me, this is like Romney’s dangling the idea of a $10,000 bet.  Where does Obama think we’re coming from?  

  • Elizabeth in RI

    I thought the speech was right on point. It was positive, while being realistic in what is potentially possible during this truly divisive time. He recognized that while he came in wanting to work across the aisle, that the Republicans just will not work with at all (even when he uses their own ideas!)

    Your panelist confirmed a thought that I’ve had for nearly a decade now – if tax cuts lead to job creation, then where are the jobs?? That needs to be the center of Mr Obama’s platform.

    As a Nation we need to all step up and do our share. I’d like to see the Bush era tax cuts go away for all of us (and I am definitely in the lower middle class, but I don’t want my teenage son paying for our greed). The Baby Boomers need to realize how ridiculous (and selfish) they seem when they argue that they “earned” their Medicare prescription benefits and all the other entitlement programs while saying that government is too big. Where do they think the money is going??

    We need big ideas like improving our infrastructure, education and renewable energy – and we ALL need to support it!

  • Cindycb

    I like the callers point – if we shouldn’t raise taxes on the top 1%, according to Rs, then why aren’t they held responsible for not creating more jobs in the last 3 years!

    Think we’ve heard more about Banks not lending money, and the contribution by the 1% is their spending power keeping high-end retail, if no one else, in business.

  • Ellen Dibble

    It was Mitch Daniels, last night, who  spoke to the median income when he said if you earn more money, you’re likely to be ready to hire people, create jobs, and give money to public causes (charity, not taxes in this case) — anyway, that specific fact, that more money can be used to create jobs, that point is apparently not so apparent to the likes of Romney or the little old lady with pension income of $250,000.  It’s interesting that I ended up last night thinking that the Republicans are more likely to be fair about taxation in the middle ranges, which is where most of us are.

    • TomK in Boston

      Every TeaOP candidate proposes to cut taxes at the top and raise them in the middle.

      If they did cut them in the middle too, gvt would truly be broke, so medicare would become a ryan groupon for sure. That wd screw the middle worse than any taxes.It’s just a false talking point to say the rich need low taxes to create jobs. If those at the top are short of $ it has some truth. When they’re richer than any time since 1929, paying a little more in taxes has zero effect on job creation.The whole righty smokescreen is stupid. It’s amazing that anyone pays attention. Our best job creation has been during periods of high taxes at the top.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Daniels was clearly pushing for means testing of the ‘entitlements’.  This traditionally been the third rail.

  • Montmartre

    What was Geithner thinking in his pensive moment?  Maybe he was thinking about his attitude that was exposed when the Federal Reserve minutes were released three weeks ago.  Perhaps he was regretting his praise of Greenspan who was in charge during the Savings and Loan debacle, the internet stock bubble, and then the housing finance crisis.  Maybe Geithner was wondering how long he could pull the wool over Obama’s eyes.  The news media cannot bring itself to really expose this Wall Street darling.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      He just got the new version of TurboTax.

  • Ilan asher

    The economy will not be the issue in November. We will be at war with Iran

  • Ilan asher

    The economy will not be the issue in November. We will be at war with Iran

  • BHA in Vermont

    1st – Kill the GWB tax breaks for the over $250K
    2nd – Cut spending
    3rd – Kill the GWB tax breaks for those under $250K
    AND increase taxes for the over $250K

    Even better
    - get rid of ALL tax loopholes, deductions, etc
    - drop the tax rates for all to account for the ‘tax increase’ but NO FLAT TAX. The rich ABSOLUTELY CAN afford to pay a higher tax rate than the poor and middle class and still live far, FAR better than the rest.
    It will cut the IRS expense to almost zero – of course that would KILL both government and tax accounting jobs.

    • Gregg

      The results #1 and especially #3, if they somehow were not catastrophic to the economy, in the rosiest scenario would barely scratch the surface of our debt. #2 is the key.

      • BHA in Vermont

        ALL three are needed. I too often hear
        - raising taxes would not bring in enough.
        No it won’t but you can’t cut everything and hope to pay off the debt or improve the economy. The more you cut ‘government’ , the fewer people with jobs. You can do it SLOWLY and ONLY if the private sector picks up the slack in services no longer provided by the government. Let’s start with the police department. Only the rich will be able to afford their private armies. Gee, sounds like a lot of ’3rd world’ countries. 

        Back to the mantra. No job, no spending. No spending, fewer jobs. Down the toilet we swirl.

        Or maybe we just cut all government spending. The rich stay rich, the rest rot on the streets while the rich complain no one is picking up the bodies.

        • Gregg

          It would put 6 million of the poorest who now pay nothing (because of the Bush tax cuts) back on the tax rolls. I don’t see how that helps them spur our economy.

          • TFRX

            Those poor little lucky duckies who don’t pay income tax need to be motivated by having to pay it?

            Can I buy some pot from you?

          • Gregg

            It must be good because your question make zero sense. I’m not the one advocating taxing them nor am I saying they need to spend spend spend to revive our economy. That’s ya’ll, I’m just pointing out the silliness.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Sounds a lot like Simpson-Bowles.

  • Glenn Koenig

    We’re about at the end of Keynesian economics as it has been practiced during the last century.  That’s because business cycles will no longer occur as they have in the past as world population increases and world resources (and capacity to absorb the by-products of human activity) become more limited.
    In other words, we cannot consider the United States without taking into account all of humanity.  And we cannot consider humanity in isolation from nature, both living things and inanimate resources.
    Specifically, as Keynes recommended, government should use borrowed money to right a listing economy in anticipation that the economy would reinvigorate allowing tax revenue to pay off the debt.
    But now, the economy will not reinvigorate the way it may have done in the past.  Limits on resources, land, and other factors will prevent it from ever achieving the levels of activity and profits is has before now.

    • notafeminista

      Or it won’t.  Ehrlich was wrong and no one knows what tomorrow will bring.

  • Ilan asher

    The economy will not be the issue in November. We will be at war with Iran

  • Akfaka

    Why shouldn’t they pay more taxes? They robbed and stealed from they society, they can afford an army of CPAs, lawyers and lobbyists to make their crimes legal. The argument that the riches create jobs, where are the jobs? Unemployment is still so high.

    • Dave

      The tax code is not our justice system.

      The financial and political colluders should be in prison. Taxes have nothing to do with it.

      • Anonymous

        Great!  Let’s triple ‘em on the wealthy.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Class Warfare? Another interesting topic in America for 2012.
    1 percent and 99 percent = Chaos.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Chaos is what Soros is hoping for.

  • MS5515

    I haven’t heard ANY plans from the right to increase jobs. It’s all whining about paying too much in taxes and paying down the debt. I think more jobs, equals more revenue, to pay down the debt. More jobs puts more spending into the economy too. We know that tax cuts haven’t produced more jobs and yet the GOP stubbornly clings to this fantasy. Do the same thing over and over and expect a different result? NO. It is ridiculous to forget that this country had two unfunded wars. Keep pushing this point to every Republican that wants to forget and pass the buck. They “fell into the life boat”, like the Capt. of the Costa Concordia, after running this country into an economic disaster.

    • Gregg

      The House has passed “Cut, Cap and Balance”, the repeal of Obamacare and over 20 other jobs bills that have died in the Senate who can’t even pass a budget in 1000 days.

      • Ray in VT

        They probably couldn’t get the 60 votes that are required to get anything done these days.

        • Gregg

          They had 60 until Brown won and not even a budget? He rammed Obamacare through and no budget? He spent $4T and no budget?

          • Ray in VT

            I was joking, but your point is taken.

          • Gregg

            Sorry, didn’t mean to be testy.

          • Ray in VT

            That’s okay.  I get that way too sometimes.  We really need some sort of joke/sarcasm tag that we can apply without just writing it out.  I don’t like the ;) sort of stuff, though.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Moda sometimes remembers to put a “J”, if guppy reminds him! 
               LOL=Laugh Out Loud, for the texters! 
              MANY options!

      • Terry Tree Tree

        They can’t even cap their own pay and perqs!  Which have INCREASED, steadily, since they gave themselves a $35,000 per year pay-RAISE!

    • Anonymous

      The party that stakes its existence on the tenet that “government does not create jobs” wants to be put in charge of the government so they can create jobs. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Obama has awaken the Occupy Movement and the 99%. The class warfare is coming soon.

  • Modavations

    So they knew about the pirates in Oct.,but made their move during the speech.In my book,this is beyond scandalous.Imagine if this was a Rep.president.

    • Ray in VT

      I’m sure that it was all a part of some vast conspiracy.

      • Anonymous

        I bet this guy only makes right turns so as not to be part of some left wing conspiracy.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      ‘W’ couldn’t arrange it in 7 years, with OBL?  EVEN with his VERY public pledge to get OBL? 
         Did ‘W’ spend ALL his time after the White House, tracking down OBL, as he PLEDGED?  ‘If it’s the last thing I do!’?

      • Modavations

        The only Macho,macho fireman I know who has to tell us about it daily.Real men don’t point out their charity.Oh wait now,Terry has to sit down to pee,please disregard this post

      • Modavations

        The only Macho,macho fireman I know who has to tell us about it daily.Real men don’t point out their charity.Oh wait now,Terry has to sit down to pee,please disregard this post

  • Modavations

    I agree with Herr Buffet.We should cut taxes,.We should all pay 15%

    • Anonymous

      Yet another warped conclusion. 

      • Modavations

        Stop talking to the South Park crew.Make a point.

        • Anonymous

          Warren Buffet does not advocate that everyone only pay 15%. 

          • Modavations

            Your as dumb as Terry.That was sarcasm

          • Anonymous

            no it was not.
             

          • Modavations

            Now you’re clairvoyent

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Check out Moda’s evidence of a B.C. education, and see if he should be calling me stupid?

          • Gregg

            He didn’t advocate raising taxes on people earning over $250K either. Or even millionaires, he was talking about mostly billionaires and a few multi-millionaires.

        • Anonymous

          Make a point, that’s rich.

  • Modavations

    If you ever find yourself with insomnia,read the New Yorker.You’ll be sound asleep by page two.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I already in state of insomnia seeing New Yorker.

      • Anonymous

        Actually reading anything would most likely put one to sleep if they were having sleep problems.
         

        • Terry Tree Tree

          That IS one of the non-drug prescriptions to get to sleep, when you are having trouble!

    • Anonymous

      Well, I tend to not read their society features or runway write-ups so I’ll take your word for it, but I always find Dex Filkins’ stuff to be some of the best war coverage in all of print or electronic media. Actually, no one comes close in having access to the troops and what’s actually happening in the proverbial trenches. Steve Coll also had a great grasp of issues on the Middle East. I also found “Death by Fire” from a couple of years ago to be some of the best expository journalism in the last ten years. Maybe you should try being less pompous and actually read some it.

      • Modavations

        It’s simple with me.If your for it,I’m agin it.

        • Anonymous

          You’re still stuck on denying that Holland has windmills? LOL! OK, whatever man. As for your second reply to my comment: WHAT?

          I often find what you write to be totally incomprehensible. Your interactions with everyone here would improve greatly if you would bother to articulate your points the first time and break free from your established pattern of posting at best marginally legible comments followed by a series of correction, backtracks or just strawmen in an effort to overcompensate for your initial gibberish.

          • Modavations

            Dude,I’m all over Europe all the time.I’m a gem guy.There are no Windmills,no windmill farms.I told you where I’ve seen windmills.All three of em.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not going through this again. There are windmills in Holland and there are so many wind farms all over Europe. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to comprehend or accept given you now say you’re in Europe all the time.

          • Modavations

            Because I’ve never seen them

          • Ray in VT

            Don’t bother him with facts, he’s already made up his mind.  Some people will deny what opposes their worldview, no matter the evidence, until they are blue in the face.

          • Modavations

            When I read it,it was not in this position.It takes a half hour for the posts to settle into their proper sequence

      • Modavations

        Here’s a suggestion my man with the made up European windmills.If you want me to read something,say it’s the worst treatise ever.

  • Gregg

    How many times did Obama say “Fair shot” with Gabby Giffords  sitting right there? And they said Palin was bad.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      “Let me be clear”

    • Brett

      That wasn’t so bad…it was making his hand into a mock gun, with the thumb as the trigger and the index finger as the barrel, and pointing it at her while smiling AND saying “fair shot” that was bad. (Notice how he turned his hand to the side simulating the way ganstas do it?) 

      • Gregg

        Then he blew on the tip.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Genghis Khan quote:
    “I will rule them by fixed laws so that rest and happiness shall prevail in the world.”

    • Anonymous

      You forgot that Genghis Khan was also a mass murder.
      He was a brilliant tactician and leader, but one who was brutal, in a word infamous.

      I’m not sure why you posted this quote attributed to him, but it sure does give credence to my observations of your ideology.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        Ideology? I am not the one who is a left.

        • Anonymous

          So if one is left of center they have an ideology and those on the right do not. Is this what you mean?

          So I guess you also support the right wing in the Philippines. 

          By the way are you not the same guy who use to say he works in health care in some billing aspect? If so when you’re on here are you at work?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            I am not here all the time. Why do you want to know if I am at work or not? You have to ask that question to yourself because you are here on On Point almost 7 days a week 24 hours a day. And I bet tomorrow you will be here again. if I look at topics from previous weeks or months I bet I will see your comments.

            Do you have a job? if you don’t you must so bored with your life that your here all the time.

          • Modavations

            righteous

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Jeff68 is like my ex-gf wants to argue all the time. Man!!!! Real man don’t do that and be pissy so easily.

          • Modavations

            Wait till you make a cogent argument with a misspelling.They’ll deny the argument,point out the mistake and think you’ve been invalidated.Listening to these guys makes my wrists go limp.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            i lost limb 3 years ago with these guys

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Yet, when I remind people that he keeps saying it, Moda calls me a ‘stalker’?

          • Anonymous

            Real men….
            Oh boy you are hilarious.

            For the record you have posted 29 times to my 24 or 5 if were going to count them. a fair amount of them responding to you. Which I now admit to be a huge mistake.
            Anyway for the record this is yet another example of the inanity of your act.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not on here everyday, not that that matters.
            Unlike Moda and Gregg, but they are self-employed and have an excuse. It’s interesting how you don’t comment on their frequent visits and volume of their comments. Which says more about your lack of character than anything else.

            But as long as you have opened up with personal attacks I’ll fire a few shots across you’re bow.

            I find your comments to be pretty funny in a kind pestilent way. Now you come on with homosexual tinged insults, which also point to your complete lack of maturity and speak more of my comment about you needing to grow up. You go on about me being pissy and yet, it’s you who seem to be having the pissy fits. I’m not the one who post in all caps. You are. I’m not the one who is defensive at the drop of a hat. You are.
            If you are doing this at work and you are not the boss, I hope they don’t have key clicks because if they do, one day you are going to get busted.

            In the words of that great cartoon sage Bugs Bunny, boy oh boy what a maroon…

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Genghis Khan by the way, you mentioned him on your comment not me. you gave me an idea by posting his quote.

          • Anonymous

            Again, you seem to have problems with comprehension.
            I mentioned Genghis Khan as an example of infamous. Which for some reason you overlooked and was the entire idea behind the usage. Now you come back with this obtuse BS. 

  • Dan Cooper

    I just don’t see the point of listening to the President at all.  He is an inspirational speaker, but his term in office was nothing like his speeches, so what’s the point of more speeches?  He talks about what needs to be done and changed as if he weren’t the person who’s been in charge the last four years.  If these things need to be done, why didn’t you do them?  Yes, he has been obstructed totally unfairly by congress, to the detriment of the nation.   But there’s plenty he controls and he’s gone back on his word on most of it.  Guantanamo?  Public trials?  What kind of Democrat rolls back EPA regulations that are already law? He was elected as the anti-Bush and has run a third Bush term. The fact is the President hasn’t the strength to effect or maintain his convictions, so there’s no point listening to his position.  It’s a shame, he seemed like such a promising man.  I guess it is an awful business, but that’s a different topic.

    • Anonymous

        With very few exceptions, they are calculating politicians first. Courage and conviction, unfortunately, fall far down the list.

  • Still Here

    What I heard the foodstamp president say is more foodstamps are coming!  Beyond that it was a well-read stump speech.

    • TFRX

      Anyone wanna break it to SH that you can have a job and still qualify for SNAP?

      Or is this just another tedious dogwhistle he thinks will play here?

      • notafeminista

        Yup, because they expanded the program.    More people on food stamps.  Yay!

        • Anonymous

          Do you really think people on the SNAP program for fun. They do it because they need to.

          • notafeminista

            After they were told they needed to.    Enough people say you’re incapable and can’t do because of this obstacle or that, and you’ll start to believe it.

            Make more people eligible for the free stuff and they will take advantage.  People are always always always …self interested first.

    • TomK in Boston

      Imagine, more people needing foodstamps in the aftermath of the bush economic crash caused by the deregulated financial predators. Whoda thunk it? Funny thing is that the TeaOP solution is more deregulation of the financial predators. Go figure.

      • Steve Karasek

        Yeah that always bothered me. I identified with the movement in its infancy, but when they started to lean to deregulation and placing the blame solely on government rather than on both government and big finance, they lost credibility.

      • Still Here

        Gotcha, you don’t know what you’re signing either so the mommy state needs to coddle you.  Don’t worry, foodstamps are in the mail.

  • Tina

    I found Mitch Daniel’s response nothing short of nasty.

    • notafeminista

      I disagree.

      • Modavations

        I didn’t see it,but I know Tina.If she says it was nasty,I know it was great

        • nj

          Keep those “intellectual points” coming. Your genius is really shining through now.

    • JayB

      I thought it more trite and diconnected from reality than nasty, myself.  In any case, a poor response.

      • Ed Siefker

         Nasty ideas delivered with tact is far worse than good ideas delivered with spite. 

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      You expected less from the most corrupt party on Earth?

  • Brett

    Listening to Obama’s speech last night was inspiring at first…but did he have to continue with singing Al Green’s repertoire?!?!?! At least mix it up with a little Otis Redding or something, please! And people kept encouraging him with their standing ovations, applause and whatnot…

  • Modavations

    If Pres.Eisenhower were around today he’d admonish,beware the Social Services Industrial complex.All you guys from the Dependency Party are crashing into each other like headless chickens

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      If Eisenhower were alive today, he would expose you for the propagandist liar you are.

    • nj

      More fact-free Modababble.

      Under Eisenhower, HEW was created, Social Security coverage was expanded, farms subsidies expanded, funding to FHA increased…

  • Modavations

    I’m with you Mr.Buffet we should all be paying 15%.I mean where’s the fairness.I mean where’s the social justice

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I think Social Justice comes from the pockets of middle class Americans.

  • Ilan asher

    In the up-coming war with Iran, can you see

    Rick as Commander-in-Chief?
    Mitt as Commander-in-Chief?
    Newt as Commander-in-Chief?
    Ron as Commander-in-Chief?

    That’s the election.

    • Gregg

      You forgot one.

    • Dave

      With Ron as Commander in Chief, you wouldn’t get your precious war.

      But hey, Baby….Bathwater…..

  • Still Here

    The Fed just voted thumbs down on Obama.  Malaise continues thru end of 2014.  Thanks Barry!

    • TomK in Boston

      Actually the Fed said interest rates will stay low (near zero in some cases) till 2014, which means that it will remain a great time for the USA to borrow and spend, and that if O’Busha grows a pair and tries to do something about housing, refinancing will remain very attractive. Very good for the POTUS.

      And, it means my munis will continue to appreciate in price as well as throwing off tax free income. Willard and me, LOL.

      • nicholas04

        Only the uber-wealthy get paid interest or own homes.  How do you live being such a parasite on the 99%?  Your home should be converted into a commune for the people and the municipalities should default on the usurious debt you hold.  You super-rich types make me sick!

        • TomK in Boston

          Try to get over your bitter, envious attitudes, nick04. Don’t try to divide Americans based on class – Willard tells you that’s class warfare. We have to stay united, so I can keep picking your pocket.

          • Nicholas04

            I can only surmise you stole whatever you have like all the GREEDY rich blood-suckers. 

  • TomK in Boston

    For those who haven’t figured it out yet, here’s the big picture.

    The aim of voodoo reaganomics is to redistribute all the wealth to the top. Reaganomics IS class warfare.

    However, since you can’t get people to vote for you by saying “hand it over” (tho from the sheep-like attitudes of some on this board I wonder….), a massive smokescreen is necessary. Eg, “Give me more $ and it will be better for you.”, “If gvt spends to provide you with the same services that every other developed nation offers, it will be bad for you.”, etc. 

    I’d think a typical 5′th grader would laugh at these transparent  lies, but apparently I’m overestimating the BS detector of the average voter.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      With an electorate as DUMB as the American electorate…most anything can be said to deceive them…and it will be believed. The Republicans..in general, are MASTERS of spin and double talk.

      • Plushkin

        This statement contradicts itself

         
        If  Republicans..in general are MASTERS of spin and double talk, how come the senate is overwhelmingly Democrat, given an electorate as DUMB as the American which should therefore invariably fall/(buy in) to Republican spin?

      • Dave

        JasonA, the wise one, for benevolent dictator!

    • William

      The economy is not a zero sum game.

    • Dave

      If only it were so simple Tom, you with the great wisdom answer, everyone else too dumb to know what’s going on.

      For one, you ignore the challenge of all modern democratic nations of how to PAY for all the comforts and security we want. Wanting it and understanding why people want it is easy. Constraining our expectations within the scarcity of resources, and preventing the very real “freeloader” sociological challenges, is more difficult.  Its not evil to acknowledge that.

       A few Nordic countries seem to be pulling it off, but most of Europe is not.  Printing money to make it all seem possible may be fun in the short term, but if the money is to mean anything, and the social contract of respecting it to mean something and be worth working for, then it cannot be destroyed by inflation or default. Otherwise, it becomes transparent that the elites never meant themselves to play by the “money” rules, as they bail themselves out, and pander themselves into entrenched power via debt-based promises, or crony militaristic exploitation, and only expect the riff-raff to work for pay.  That is where equal accountability under the Rule of Law and opposing Discretionary Powers should come in. 

      Bill Black, Glenn Greenwald.

      The concept of work, being smart, making sacrifices and being able to keep what you earn or produce, as long as you are playing by the rules, is not an evil concept. It is a peace and freedom concept.

      I am all for holding the elite, represented by both parties, accountable, so they must work like the rest of us as well as have no special privileges and protections.

      But to say that the possibility of becoming wealthy, or keeping what you earn within the rules, is in itself the problem, is a radical idea, and a partisan tool of the Democratic half of the power elite.

      In free-er economies, competition and failure, not bail-outs, keep the money circulating amongst the most hands, giving the most people the opportunity and dignity to enjoy the fruits of their labor and decisions.

      And I’m for a basic safety/emergency net. Not the growing % of GDP role government is taking on now.

  • Greyman

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/01/john-kerry-actually-had-lower-tax-rate-romney/47802/

    It seems Mr. Kerry also parks his yacht in RI to avoid MA taxes: a loyal son of Massachusetts, hunh?

    • TomK in Boston

      Old news, but whatever….I don’t blame anyone for taking advantage of the tax system, I blame us for putting an unfair system in place. Romney’s problem, besides being an android with no emotional programming, is claiming to be what he is not. Vulture capitalists are not job creators, sons of wealthy governors did not come up the hard way, etc.

      Hey, did you know that Bill Gates, who could buy Romney with his pocket change, is bitter and envious of the rich, ie of himself? Look at what he said to the BBC:

      GATES: Well the United States has a huge budget deficit, so taxes are going to have to go up. And I certainly agree that they should go up more on the rich than everyone else. That’s just justice.BBC HOST: Is that a message you think that works with other people as wealthy as yourself, or is it just a small circle of friends — yourself, Warren Buffet, a few others.GATES: Well, I hope we can solve that deficit problem with a sense of shared sacrifice — where everybody would feel like they’re doing their part. And right now, I don’t feel like people like myself are paying as much as we should.

      OMG! “Justice”, “shared sacrifice”, “everyone doing their part”, “taxes should go up more on the rich”…what is he, a socialist? Willard has made it crystal clear that this kind of talk is “the politics of envy”. Isn’t it amazing that someone that rich is envious….or could it be that common sense is not “envy”?

      Maybe those who have actually made a product and created jobs, like Gates, have different attitudes from financial manipulators like Romney.

      • Greyman

        Or: Mr. Gates vastly overcharged consumers for Microsoft products over the years, just so he could become a famous philanthropist. (“Philanthropist: a misanthrope with discretionary income.”)

        • TomK in Boston

          You are a good Party member, Greyman. If someone less wealthy than Willard asks for “fairness”, he is envious of the successful. If someone infinitely more successful than Willard asks for fairness, he overcharged consumers. Nobody can accuse you of thoughtcrime!

          • Greyman

            Tom: I could be mistook so correct me if I’m wrong, but I do not distinctly recall having broached the “envy-of-success” argument here or anywhere else. I am unaffiliated and non-aligned and more or less independent, only conservative by temperament, but then I’m only a part-time Machiavellian.

      • William

        Why should we respect Gates? He created his foundation so he could control how his wealth is spent rather than the government.

  • Zero

    Did anybody see Jon Stewart make Mitch Daniels huddle into a fetal position when the argued about taxes?

    People should watch that again.

    • Zero

      they

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I saw Rod Stewart.

    • nicholas04

      Only uber-wealthy snobs have cable subscriptions.  Obviously your taxes are not high enough but that will be corrected soon enough.  Free-tv is good enough for the 99%!  Stop flaunting your wealth in such an obnoxious manner.

  • Modavations

    You know the CIA agent who was arrested for outing our agents,that captured terrorists.He last worked for none other then my Senator, John Kerry.

    • Anonymous

      Doing what?

    • Anonymous

      You do realize we had a vice president – and I suspect you voted for that ticket both times – who outed a covert operative.

      • Modavations

        When Cheney hAD THEM,YOU CALLED THE sEALS sTORM tROOPERS.

        • Anonymous

          Don’t be stupid. I know well Seals aren’t policymakers so there’s no reason for me to have projected my hatred for Cheney onto them. Something wrong with your keyboard or is typing like some AOL teen chat chick from the 90s your newly found voice now.

          • Modavations

            The Left called them Cheney’s Storm Troopers.Now their the Left’s heroes.To me they’re heroes no matter what party is in charge.To time the assault on the night of the speech(this was known since Oct.)is beyond scandal

          • Ray in VT

            I suppose that you have some evidence to back up this claim?

          • Modavations

            Mean Streets I will never purposely lie to you.

          • Ray in VT

            Just because you’ve seen them doesn’t mean that they don’t exist, Jem.

          • Modavations

            Then tell the class where they’re located

          • Ray in VT
          • Modavations

            I’m sure they do,but to say they’re everywhere and ubiquitous just ain’t the case

          • Ray in VT

            I’m sure that some places are loaded with them and that they are scarce in other places, but to deny that they are making significant contributions to the power supply also “ain’t the case”.

      • Nancyh

        factcheck.com check again

        • Anonymous

          1-800-385-8489. That’s the number if you’re interested in buying that site since it’s a spam page that’s up for sale. Why are so many of you right wingers so incompetent while playing that cheap, empty “personal accountability” card.

      • Gregg

        You really have to try hard to believe that.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t have to try hard at all nor do a great deal of other rational people. 

          • Gregg

            Scooter Libby, Karl Rove nor Dick Cheney outed anyone. Richard Armitage outed Plame and was charged with no crime. It’s a matter of record. Anyone who believes otherwise has been brainwashed.

          • Anonymous

            You are not nor is your personal opinion on the matter anything resembling a public record so let’s dispense with the overstatments. The civil suit, Plame v. Cheney was dismissed in the lower court mostly on administrative claims rather than on the substance of the tort claims itself and even at the that the deciding judge did note the personal and unsavory attack in dismissing the suit. The appeals process have upheld the process also based on administrative ground. This is all a part of the public record as is Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics’ continued condemnation of these decisions.

            Learn to speak for yourself rather than festering in some you’re all brainwashed accusatory antics.

          • Gregg

            We spent how many millions on the Fitzgerald investigation? Armitage was the leaker and was not charged. You have been manipulated. Look it up.

          • Anonymous

            Right, and Newt and Ken Starr spend how much for the years of investigation that produced an official soft-porn document in the name of justice that would have read as same as Newt’s night out with an “open-ended” mistress? Odd that you feign so much indignation in the name of public interest.

            Now to get back to Plame v Cheney, obviously, you don’t recall the sequence of events and if you do, you’re not completely forthcoming. In the spring of ’06, both Woodward and Bradley were suggesting Armitage was behind the leaks with another blogger confirming that Dick Armitage’s name fit perfectly in the redacted spaces. That’s not exactly news. Later in the year, however, the suit Wilson viz. Plame v. Cheney and company was filed. They pursued Cheney as being responsible for the leaks even after Armitage owned up to his “oops” following Libby’s conviction. Most of us rational people don’t that it was solely Armitage and nether did the Ethnics people who filed the appeals on behalf of Wilson/Plame.

            But that’s really beside the point, isn’t it? Even if Armitage had ratted out Plame, the point of this entire thread and your replies is to support or contest Moda’s opening criticism of a Kerry staffer who’s according to him ratted out a CIA operative.

            Good of you to admit the in the GW Whitehouse, this was practiced at the cabinet level regardless of whether that leaker who outed a CIA operative was VP or Deputy Sec. of State.

          • Gregg

            Actually it led to the impeachemt of Clinton. It’s easy to trump up that, happens all the time. I have no idea what silly little lawsuit you are talking about. If someone was guilty, Fitzgerald would have nailed them. Libby was not convicted of outing Plame, no one was.

          • Anonymous

            RIght, impeached for the same offense as the man who led the jihad to impeach. Do you ever get tired of your abject bullshit?

            And if you don’t know, I’ll revert to your antics: look it up, man!

            Again though, way to admit and keep admitting that your side is actually the larger offender of your own sides’ accusations.

            Lastly, stop liking your own comments. It just makes you look more desperate in your losing cause.

  • Ilan asher

    War trumps economy every time. And there is going to be another big-time war before the elections.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      News Flash:  we are already in a covert war with Iran, have been for over a year. Send a big thanks to the MIC.

  • Modavations

    Jan Shatowsky,Dem.Ill., said this afternoon about the Pipeline,20,000 isn’t really that many jobs.Terrytt,that is not a “J”

    • Terry Tree Tree

      How many U.S. Citizens out of work?  Millions?  % of 20 million that is 20,000? 1%?
         Since TransCanada, the company wanting to build the pipeline admitted it would be more like 13,000 man-years, actually I would say the XL pipeline ISN’T that many jobs, meaning 20,000! 
         So the 20,000 is the “J”!

      • Nancyh

        must be nice for you to deal with the lives of others in such a cavalier manner

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Cavalier?  Not me.  For many reasons.  I have seen the damages that pollution causes, and suffered a few myself.
             Endorsing a pipeline by a company with TransCanada’s record would be cavalier!

          • Still Here

            Alcohol poisoning is not pollution!

            TransCanada’s record is stellar and you know it.

            20,000 well-paid jobs for any economy is worth it.

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

            What propaganda, lies and spin. The whole pipeline deal is to EXPORT Canadian oil to the world market. NOT the US. You are either a complete fool, or a paid off spokesperson for TC, Inc.

          • Gregg

            Two words: Transportation cost. Are you suggesting, because it’s a world market, the oil from the North Sea will be tanked across the world to Texas while the oil from the pipeline is tanked to Denmark? Logistics are considered.

          • Anonymous

            The oil from the North Sea goes to Europe and some makes it way to the East coast. You do know why the pipeline was ending up in Texas and not the Midwest were most of the other Canadian pipeline end up.
            Port Aurthur is to divert major volumes of Tar Sands oil now supplying the Midwest refineries, so it can be sold at higher prices to the Gulf Coast and export markets.

            It’s all about profit.

          • Gregg

            Exactly, profit is a beautiful thing and the less the oil needs to be transported the more of it there will be.

          • Gregg

            Exactly, profit is a beautiful thing and the less the oil needs to be transported the more of it there will be.

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

            You misss the point and are blind to the reality of what TC and the criminal Republicans are up to.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            The people on the Yellowstone River think TransCanada’s record is ‘stellar’?
               Even TransCanada admits it is FAR less than  20,000 jobs!
               If they over-estimated before, why believe they are giving the truth now?
               Are you implying that I over-indulge in alcohol consumption?
              More assanine assumptions?

  • Ray in VT

    On wind power in Germany, there is also this:

    http://www.erneuerbare-energien.de/inhalt/42721/

    So if there are, by German government estimates, some 21,000 in the country, and you have never seen them, then you must not get around there much.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Wow!  That’s more than I saw!
          Maybe Moda visits Germany in his hallucinations with guppy?

  • Modavations

    Like the U.S.,alternatives produce 3% of the Energy,Nukes 20%ish and “you know what”,the rest.The windmills are probably in the North Sea.Again,I’m in Europe all the time and have seen 3.Whoop de Do,although I’m all for it.

    • Ray in VT

      Well, at least for Germany, your numbers contradict government figures, but what do they know about their own country.  Again, you must not really get around much when you’re there, then.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        What do you expect from a guy that ‘bought 1 Million 100 Watt incandescent light bulbs’, because he wanted the old, less-efficient style?
           The Netherlands probably has public information on their number of Wind-Turbines, too!

      • Modavations

        Mean Streets.Windmills, solar,etc., is just Giaist ,feel good malarky.There is nothing better then the combustion engine.All the sweet looking diesel cars in Europe get 45 miles per gallon.Just develope higher mileage engines.Not only is there a dearth of windmills,there arn’t any trees in Europe.

  • Still Here

    Obama should just let Bennie Netanyahu give the SOTU and give up the charade.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    How interesting it was to see the fat a**  Republicans sit on their hands every time taxes, corporate criminality, or their custom made insider trading scam was mentioned by the president. These bought off whores and criminals act as the paid for stooges they are.

    • Dave

      What a joke.  Obama hasn’t prosecuted one Housing bubble scam politician or banker. They are too valuable to his economic team. The elite dream of technocratically managing our economy, for good or ill intention (although historically always bad outcome), is more important to them than delivering the true, unbiased, non-political justice that a vast majority of Americans want to see, and never will.

      You tweedle-dee, tweedle-dum partisans are really taking us off the cliff, IMO>

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        The real JOKE is on YOU. It’s a forest/trees kind of thing, ya know. Another Republican amnesiac I see.

        • Dave

          Brilliant analysis.

          The Larry Summers and Hank Paulson joke is really on you and your establishment apologists. Enjoy!

        • mikey

          Are you kidding me? I am a Dem and anyone who looks at Obama’s record can see that he only appoints bank executives (Jack Lew), kills reform, and loves the banks. The SEC under Obama has the smallest number of prosecutions in US History. It is not the the Republicans would be any better at Reform but Obama is a really bad joke. Obama gets a completely free pass from Democrats because they believe his BS. If you believe in democratic values at all then you should really look at the horror show Obama is creating.

        • Modavations

          hang him,no trial,just hang him

          • guest

            Last time I checked lynching was outlawed.  Typical republican racist.

  • Fredlinskip

    Great address.
    Thanks Prez.

  • Candor

    I check in with this program about every 6 months to see if you’ve stopped shilling for liberal causes. Evidently not. Tom made some comments about global warming being settled science in a mocking way and I would like to recommend he and the staff read the article today in the WSJ entitled No Need To Panic About Global Warming. Honestly, Tom seems like a reasonable intelligent guy, so why is it so hard to see that this is a political and economic movement? Follow the money, Tom, and the politics, if you want to understand the nonsense behind anthropogenic “global warming.”

    • Fredlinskip

      Here’s some candor for you.
      Try using the science of using your eyes. Look out your window once in a while.
      Man- influenced climate change exists.
      You can pretend it’s God’s will if you’d like if that eases your conscience, but to deny it’s occurring, you would have to look away from voluminous evidence and scientific opinion (from those who have dedicated their lives to the honest study of such matters).

      Or I suppose you could put your hands over your eyes and ears again and go back to your Rush and Fox news.

      Others would rather deal with reality.

      “Reality what a concept”- Mork

  • Gregg

    Reply for Wotan_617:

    First Clinton’s impeachment had nothing to do with an affair. Second, I have NEVER clicked “like” on my own comment, I’m not even sure if it’s allowed. Third, Armitage outed Plame.

    You’ve got nothing.

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