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The Democratic Take On the 2012 Race

South Carolina speaks. We go to big Democratic party thinkers for their take on how the 2012 race is shaping up.

Republican presidential candidate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich listens to staff during visit to Children's Hospital, Friday, Jan. 20, 2012, in Charleston, S.C. (AP)

Republican presidential candidate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich listens to staff during visit to Children's Hospital, Friday, Jan. 20, 2012, in Charleston, S.C. (AP)

We’ve had seventeen Republican primary debates now. Votes in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina. Santorum’s squeaker. Romney’s win. The Newt Gingrich Carolina surprise. It’s been wild, feisty, in Barack Obama’s face, and all over the media, whatever Newt’s loud protestations.

So, what are Democrats thinking about the GOP field as it narrows? About the lines of attack? About the way this fall’s contest for the presidency is shaping up? This hour, we’ll ask.

This hour, On Point: big Democrats on the Republican campaign and President Obama’s position for November.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

William Galston, senior fellow on governance at the Brookings Institution. Served as a senior advisor to President Bill Clinton on domestic policy and worked on Clinton’s 1992 campaign.

Robert Shrum, senior fellow at New York University’s Wagner School of Public Service. Senior advisor to the Kerry-Edwards campaign in 2004, and to the Gore 2000 presidential campaign.

Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor and publisher of The Nation.

From Tom’s Reading List

Newsweek “The right calls him a socialist, the left says he sucks up to Wall Street, and independents think he’s a wimp. Andrew Sullivan on how the president may just end up outsmarting them all. ”

The Week “If Mitt Romney wins South Carolina after Monday’s debate performance, then he really is unstoppable. And that’s the probable outcome unless, after Rick Perry’s departure from the race Thursday, there’s an unlikely last-days coalescence of the religious right around the pyrotechnic Newt Gingrich, who as a nominee would prove to be a pyromaniac, reducing the GOP’s White House hopes — and perhaps its House majority — to a handful of ashes. ”

The New Republic “Unless something dramatic happens—fast—the general election will soon be upon us, with Mitt Romney as the Republican nominee, and President Obama fighting for a second term. ”

 

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  • Roy Mac

    Did serious conservatism die with Hitchens?  All I hear now is mouth-breathers parroting whatever appears on Fox.

  • Michiganjf

    Where will all the Establishment Republicans go, now they admit in horror their party has been co-opted by hooligans, morons, zealots, bigots, and sundry other dimwits?

      These pea-brains now represent a vocal enough segment of the Republican party that Republicans candidates likely will evermore have to answer to them in the primaries… this will utterly doom the Republican party in the long run, unless they’re successful in assuring no American ever again receives a decent enough education to see them clearly as stupid, ignorant, and dangerous.

    Almost certainly we’re witnessing the last, desperate gasp of a Republican party imploding from a critical mass doltishness.

    Too bad for America the Republican’s last gasp wasn’t actually in 2008.

  • Ed

    One thing about the candidates – they are all pro-life. Today is the March for Life in Washington and we now have many laws around the country making people think about what abortion is before they choose it. The other day was the March for Life in San Francisco and they are starting a March for Life in St. Louis.

    • Yar

      At least until birth, it seems republicans believe in survival of the fittest.  Does pro-life include pro healthcare, pro retirement, pro social safety-net?  I only know one candidate that qualifies as pro-life throughout all of life’s stages.  That would be our current president.  Ed, you and I have very different world views that come from very different realities.  I wonder why?  I see abortion choice as pro-life, because I see the life of the woman as a valuable life.  I see the fetus as having the potential for life, just as an egg has potential and a sperm has potential.  Keeping choice in pregnancy keeps  women alive and statistics show actually reduces the number of abortions.  Who did you say is pro-life?

      • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

        What a brilliant reply/post. I think although don’t know for sure that Pro lifers also tend to be pro-war.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          ‘W’ was!

        • Irv

          I know a few who are not. But they did not rally for peace with the same fervor.

      • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

        Maybe we ought to start a movement to take back “pro life.” I could see your post above being the subtext.

        • Chris B

          The first thing we should do is refuse to accept their self identification as, “pro-life”, which they are not.  They are, “anti-choice”, and that’s how they should be referred to.

      • Gregg

        With all due respect to both sides, I don’t understand the fuss. Roe v Wade isn’t going anywhere, If it somehow did the matter would return to the States and the practice would continue almost everywhere. I believe there is a great middle ground. I am pro-choice but oppose 3rd trimester abortions, support parental consent and don’t want my tax money spent on abortions. It seems to me the radical position is held by the far left who would support a tax payer funded late term abortion for a 13 year old without parental consent.

        I do think there is more room in the Republican party for pro-choicers than there is room for pro-lifers in the Democrat party. Bush had several pro-choicers in his cabinet (Whitman, Condi, etc) even his wife. The inverse is not true with Clinton or Obama.

        This election is not about abortion, religion or morals. It’s about the economy, jobs and undoing the disaster which is Obama.

        • Anonymous

          It seems to me the radical position is held by the far left who would
          support a tax payer funded late term abortion for a 13 year old without
          parental consent.

          It’s interesting that you pick an extreme idea that has no foundation in truth. What is interesting is how you leave out the extremist on the right who are very real.
          Given that 1% of all abortions are late term in this country it would seem this is a rare occurrence. As for giving a 13 year old the right to consent, that’s more you using fear mongering than anything else. Anyone who advocates that is pretty out there in my view and is not in the mainstream of the democratic party.

          Funny how you use social policy as a way to demonize the left and then you say the election is not about this when it’s pretty clear that a large part of the GOP base thinks it is. 

          The interesting thing is that when I read a comment such as this I see a lot of misinformation and demagoguery, and nothing else. 

          • Gregg

            Jeffe, thank you for quoting my carefully worded comment. Why didn’t you read it?

            The reason I didn’t mention the extreme views from the extreme right is because the abortion doctor murderers contingent is not viable.

            Late term abortion is legal. Attempts to ban partial-birth abortion were opposed by Democrats.  In many States parental consent is not required and in some where it is there are ways around it through the courts. Where that is the law it was because Democrats prevailed. Obama discarded the Hyde rule and Obamacare funds abortion. I am here to tell you the middle ground I describe is something most on both sides could agree on.

            Don’t tell me there is “no foundation in truth” in my comment.

          • Brett

            “Obama discarded the Hyde rule and Obamacare funds abortion.”

            You clearly are wrong. In fact, the language about how abortion is paid for makes the new health care law more stringent than the Hyde law; it was the only way to get Bart Stupak to vote yes!

          • mary elizabeth

            Please document “Obama discarded the Hyde rule” .
            Untrue.  This is how the public gets misinformed by reckless statements. 

          • Modavations

            Obama said he is for reaborting kids that make it through the  first procedure.Like Canadians bludgening baby seals

        • Yar

          This election is about economics, which is a different but related to jobs and the economy.  In your other posts you said Newt won SC on issues, yet you deny race as an issue.  This in a state with a history of economic slavery.  SC is a right to work state, (Right to exploit workers).  Mitch Daniels is giving the Republican response to President Obama’s State of the Union address.  Indiana is currently in a political fight over ‘right to work’ (exploit).  Slavery, economic or otherwise is part of the ‘capitalist’ survival of the fittest.  Race is an issue in this election, it fuels anger and not talking about it does not make it go away.  Hate is associated with racism, racism is associated with hate.  Newt’s coded language is coded to promote division by race and class. Yes, this election is about the economics of exploitation.  We have a history of exploiting people, even fought a civil war over it, and may be already involved in another generational civil war over the right to Social Security and access to healthcare.  Right to work should include a right to a living wage.  Why, because we are worth it.  A job that doesn’t provide for a worker in all stages of life is just like the so-called pro-life that ends at birth.  We are not just production units, we are people. I am pro-life for all stages of life.  I am against the right to exploit even though I have benefited from past exploitation. 

        • Anonymous

          The scenerio you describe to blame the left for being extremists on this is far less likely to occur than the right’s postion that would not allow rape victims to recieve an abortion or in some cases even the morning after pill.  Fetal personhood isn’t extreme?

          • Gregg

            I disagree, the things I mention are already happening. There is no chance abortion will be made illegal, I wouldn’t put the cart before the horse and worry about rape victims. Never gonna happen.

      • Lloydrph

        The first half of your comment is fine. There are, for instance, Christian groups taking money from the Koch bros. and ignoring the devastation that mercury pollution poses on children. These groups also ignore the lack of health care in this country. They don’t seem to care. But the second half is biological ignorance. There is a difference between a sperm/egg and a fetus/baby. It is genetic, and it is biological. One is potential, the other is actualized. You can pretend all you want, but facts are facts. Get thee to a biology textbook.

      • Chris B

        You’ve got that right!  For non-believers in evolution they are pretty rabid in their embrace of social Darwinism.  “Eat the wounded” is their ethic.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Priests want MORE VICTIMS? 
          Catholics CONDONE Child-Molesting and Child-Abuse, by NOT demanding that the Vatican and ALL clergy turned over ANY information to law enforcement, in EVERY case, in EVERY country!

    • original famous Cory

      I’d like to reply to your comment today Ed, but you are a practicer of “Drop and Dash” and are already long gone!

      Oh well, I was just going to say that besides Santorum I really question the resolve and sincerity of the other candidates’ pro-life chops.

    • Anonymous

      Now what are you going to post on Friday?  Anything new with the Pope?  Has gay marriage caused any new natural disasters?

  • Still Here

    Democratic party thinkers, you’re kidding, this form of life does not exist.

    • original famous Cory

      Utterly nonsensical. I feel like it schoolyard “rubber and glue” defense is the only appropriate response to such rubbish.

  • Brett

    The SC Primary serves to exemplify how the “big tent” philosophy of the GOP is long dead. Moderates have been marginalized considerably in the last decade, and in Red states that phenomenon has become even more pronounced. 

    Newt played on the bigotry, the self-conscious clannishness and the pervasive sense of supremacy that still exists in the south (e.g., Mitt is a ‘Massachusetts moderate,’ Obama hates White people and wants to dismantle our country, etc.). Republican voters (I’m talking about the blue collar contingent) in the south don’t like the idea of a liberal, elitist Yankee running their country (not quite as much disdain, say, as for a socialist/communist, elite, Ivy League, community-organizing Black man, though, but nevertheless). Romney represents a rich Yankee, out of touch with the average working-class southerner.         

  • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

    Katrina is brilliant, I’ll be listening today just to hear her take on this.

    • Gregg

      Did you see George Will school her the other day?

    • mary elizabeth

      She may be brilliant, but is also a demoralizing force.  I cannot forget her  oh, so disappointed  posturing against President Obama before a mere two years into his term for not resolving issues that had been neglected for generations.   No regard for what this POTUS had to deal with.

      The far left  ushered the Tea Partry to their seats by encouraging non-voting in 2010.  Katrina was complicit in meting out that “punishement”  to Obama and should be held accountable.   

      • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

        That’s a great point Mary Elizabeth. However, I was with her in her dissatisfaction with Obama and I still feel it, even though I will vote for him. I’m not a member of the far left but I respect anyone who can frame issues clearly, including  you.

  • AC

    well, that blows my theory about Newt out the window……i’m actually a little shocked….

    • Hidan

      Your previous theory was pretty sound. But you didn’t add in the 5 million infusement Newt got for calling the Palestians in invented people nor add in the hatred of blacks in SC and Newt’s Race baiting. Spinkle in some media not doing there job and WAMMM a newt win.

      • Gregg

        Now you’re painting the whole State as racist? Have you been to SC? It has a huge black population. Can you be more shallow?

        • Hidan

          No need to paint with SC. It’s quite clear from there history and what they did to John Mcain back in 2000.

          Keep living as if it doesn’t exist. Keep pretending Newt won on his morals.

          • Gregg

            He won on issues.

          • Brett

            #1 issue in SC: the economy. Newt didn’t say a whole lot, specifically. Oh, there was rhetoric, but he mostly ran a negative campaign, er, his pac and he did. #2 was abortion. Newt won by trashing Romney and Obama.

          • Modavations

            Newt trashed everyone(left and right).I used to dislike Newt,but boy, is he growing on me

          • Anonymous

            I still dislike Newt but he is growing on me.  I hope he continues to weaken Mitt. 

          • Brett

            Morning Mo-D! Well, this is true, he did kind of trash everyone. His debate performances were what pushed him over the top, and they served to show how parlor tricks and platitudes work (bashing the media, saying Obama is destroying the country, misrepresenting historical events, etc.) Newt’s got an ego problem that gets him into trouble, but he’s learning to keep that in check…I thought he would have offered more juicy gaffes in Meet the Press yesterday; give him time, he’ll come up with a few more for the super pacs (of others) to get some sound bites.  

          • Modavations

            Imagine Obama sans teleprompter debating Newt.Even if Newt fails to make it to the final,he’s goona get us all thinking.And Newt, keep it up with the kiddies.They need jobs and daddies,not paternal leftist dependency

          • Brett

            I don’t think Obama can use a TelePrompTer™ in a debate. Newt uses a lot of cheap trump cards, and when he senses blood he chomps down even harder. I remember debaters like Newt when I was in High School. It’s effective, and it makes for a more entertaining debate (in an appeal to our basest instincts). 

            In the debates, look closely at Newt’s face when he is beating up on Williams/King. He is shifting his eyes toward the audience to see if they are behind him or are sensing he is biting too hard. When the light goes on in his eyes, he bites harder, as if he doesn’t know at first how his approach will play. He then realizes the crowd is with him and he lets his rhetoric (put together like so many neocon pearls on a string) fly. It’s not that impressive, it’s just that none of the other ones can really compete with him. 

            I tell ya what: you, me, and a spliff for the Obama-Gingrich debate, and I am so there!      

          • L armond

            Just imagine how useful Newt’s disparaging ways will be on an international level.  The people of  east Asia are a very diplomatic people.  They have been handling caravans over the known world.  They will see Newt for what he is.  You think Al Queda is bad now, imagine later.  He will be Snark-in-Chief.  And he has nothing to offer the world, let alone USA but locker room tactics, and bullying.  SC responds to  that Fort Sumpter stuff.

        • Irv

          I worked in Selma through the cuivil rights movement. There, too, there was a large Black population. Yet the racism was toxic. Sometimes the large precense is the catalyst to blind fear, the root of racism.

          • Hidan

            I was living on the Fort Jackson base back in 2002 and saw firsthand how toxic it was down there once I got away from the base.

        • Anonymous

          How many of them voted in the Republican primary?

        • Brett

          You claim that because Blacks live in SC this proves SC is not a state replete with racist undercurrents? Have you been to SC?? How segregated a state is also can be a kind of barometer to how forward their thinking on race might be.

        • Adks12020

          The whole state may not be racist but the fact that someone like Strom Thurmond served as their Senator for 50 years, someone who was an outright racist, doesn’t really speak well of the state’s voting population.

          • Modavations

            In 1964 the democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Laws.Robert Byrd is a hero of the contemporary left.Al Gore’s daddy was a punk as- rascist to boot.

          • Ray in VT

            Yes, southern Democrats who mostly later became Republicans.

          • Brett

            Byrd was from WVa (we were speaking of SC); and, no, he’s NOT a “hero of the contemporary left.” I see your point, though, Mo-D: racism knows no Party (necessarily).  

            Yes, many of the so-called Dixiecrats were racist. I don’t know about Gore’s daddy, but presumably a Tennessean of his generation being racist (or, as per your comment: “rascist,” which might just work as a port manteau word combining rascal and racist…I like it) wouldn’t be surprising. 

            The original point, however, was that there is a history of racism in the south (some of which you cite), including many places in SC. My experience is that there is still a palpable and pervasive undercurrent of racism in SC, NC, Virginia, and WVa. (four states with which I am very familiar). 

          • Modavations

            B.,
                 I live in Boston.Racism is rampant.We still have forced busing.

          • Brett

            Thurmond has been elevated to sainthood in SC.

  • Kestral

    As an Independent, I can tell you that the ONLY Republican candidate whom I might have considered was Romney. I would never, ever, ever in a million years vote for the likes of Newt…..a megalomaniac  if there ever was one.  I hate to see him made happy by the South Carolina vote, but everyone says he will be much easier for Obama to beat.  

    • Gregg

      Speaking of Megalomaniacs, can you vote for Obama?

      • Hidan

        Obama the Muslim or Christian? which one is he again?

        • Gregg

          He is a “Black Liberation Theologist” unless you ask a Muslim. But you really need to fear the religious Santorum.

          • Hidan

            ????

          • na na na

            Get a job Gregg or your own blog… you are such a BORE

          • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

            Well said.

          • Anonymous

            Well now, you state race means nothing to you and yet here you are using it as a way to paint the president as some kind of radical African American. You are a real piece of work buddy.

          • Gregg

            I don’t get you guy’s. Am I right or not? I am, it’s a matter of record. He wrote the damn book. It’s what he is. He judges people by the color of their skin. I don’t, that’s all.

  • Hidan

    Who Knew race baiting would work so well for Newt. Nothing like attacking blacks to get the vote out.  Of course this is the vote from the Jesus loving Christians.

    • Gregg

      What’s it like to live in a world where you see everything through the lens of race?

      • Irv

        Probably mucgh like living in denial that race is such a critical factor. Have you been following the news?

        • Gregg

          Race means nothing to me.

          • Brett

            Weren’t you the one on here who said Obama hates White people and wants to destroy America? 

          • Modavations

            Oprah quit that church because it was rascist

          • Anonymous

            Why would it. You’re not affected by it.

      • Hidan

        I don’t know I don’t live in S.C.

      • original famous Cory

        C’mon double G, do you deny that element exists in a state like South Carolina?

        • Gregg

          No, not at all, It exist everywhere but I don’t think SC is inherently racist. This is notwithstanding Democrat Governor Fritz Hollings putting the confederate flag on the Capital building. My point is Newt did not win by race-baiting. What he said was not racial, it was compassionate. A hell of a lot moreso than keeping the poor down. It’s sad the state of debate has devolved to the point where we can no longer have an honest discussion. The reasons for Newt’s victory had zero, zip, nada to do with race.

          • Anonymous

            Are you an African American? So how do you know if what Newt said was not racial. I’m not black and what I heard was nothing short of typical rhetoric from a privileged white man. It was pure condescension towards people of color and nothing more. 

          • Gregg

            That’s sick.

          • Anonymous

            How so. Newt is a privileged white man telling people of color how to live. He even wants to do away with child labor laws. Now that’s sick.

          • Modavations

            Screw your child labor.Give them jobs.Give them back their daddies

          • Anonymous

            Well it’s nice to know where you stand on using language.  Interesting point of view, and very telling.
            Screw your disgusting world view.
             

          • Modavations

            you’re sweating

          • Anonymous

            No, I’m laughing at your sorry act.

          • Modavations

            Your intellectual point is?

          • Brett

            It had to do with a more general brand of bigotry. He played the anti-Yankee and the anti-liberal (moderate) rhetoric. Romney only really got votes from around the Columbia area and Charleston (arguably the most liberal areas of the state). 

          • Anonymous

            I thought he “won the debate”by yelling at the evil MSM, not by engaging in actual fact-base discussion of any issues.

      • Anonymous

        That’s rich coming from a white guy.
        I’ve been called names for being Jewish.
        When I was about 14 I beaten up for it.
        If you’re African American that lens of race is there. If you’re a Latino it’s there.
        My ex is Asian (Japanese), she had problems with people treating her like some kind of second class citizen more often than she should have.
        She had such horrible experiences in the South, that she refuses to go back to any state in that region. 

        Unless you are a minority, you don’t get the right to tell people who are about the “lens of race”.
        That statement alone is very telling.
        Of course your going to get defensive and use words like “that’s sick” or whatever to debase my comment. Which is fine with me, as that just proves to me your not able to understand the idea of difference, of exclusion for being a non-white in this country, and it’s history. 

    • notafeminista

      So tell me, how long have you been baiting religious people?  Are you deliberately implying Jesus loving Christians don’t know any better?

      • Modavations

        Leave him alone,he’s the resident anti-semite.In a free country you can be rascist

      • Anonymous

        By far, the most insulting comments have always been uttered by the fundamentalist religious.  That is, unless you consider it worse to be ignorant and foolish rather than being condemned to eternal damnation.  Which would you rather be?

        • notafeminista

          Tsk.  Insulting to whom exactly?  And since no one can tell us if there is eternal damnation or not, your question is moot.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        The ‘do as I say, not as I do!’ HYPOCRITES, bait themselves!

  • Gregg
  • Hidan

    Is it me or does the republican establishment really fear Ron Paul. Hell besides some of his economic plan(quite scary but no way of passing) Dude makes alot of sense.

    Also why should Iowa who only 100k people and NH really matter? Less than what like 3% of the population? Also why isn’t the media doing what they did in 2008 when they kept trying to point out and see whose more moderate Obama or Clinton. Instead it’s been whose can go to the extreme right than can pretend to go back to the center. As well why does SC matter it’s one of the reddest states around.

    Surely all three states don’t represent the vast population of Americans.

    • Original Cory

      It’s like he is the current torch-bearer carrying the Perot/Nader flame.  This country so neds a third party.  It is too easy for the two parties to ignore issues that are uncomfortable for them.

      After Perot got 19% in 92, the establisment decided enough with that.  Anyone remember Nader having to buy a ticket to be at the presidential debate?  (and I seem to remember him not being allowed to sit in the audience either)

      We need to do this a different way, and getting their through constitutional change or government participation doesn’t make me hopeful.

  • Anonymous

    When you analyze all that has been uttered by the Republican candidates, forgiving gaffs, you are still left with a fair representation of the lunatic fringe.
     
    I myself am saddened by this party publicly embracing blatant racism, ignorance and lying, cheering slams on the poor and unemployed.
     
    Some citing that they respect someone who sticks to his principles, North Carolinian evangelists embraced a serial  philanderer who set the record fine in congress for and ethics violations; a man who led the charge for impeachment while he was cheating on his wife in the halls of Congress.  I think the Democratic party relishes the opportunity for payback.
     
    Seriously this is scary in that the party of “moral family values” is embracing a narcissistic sociopath cheater.
     
    First came W. Then came Palin. Now a stage packed with delusional thinkers. (Yes, even Huntsman doubled down on some seriously crazy stuff.) Do you see a trend here?
     
    I would like to know how many moderate Republicans are actually wondering if they can, in good conscience, cast a vote for one of these dangerously flawed and unpredictable characters? Can moderates hope to take back the Republican party?

    • notafeminista

      Moderate meaning they think they way you do?

      • Ray in VT

        But a lot, if not most, of the mid to late 20th century moderate Republicans have gone away, haven’t they?  There was once a fairly large group of centrist northeastern Republicans that has largely disappeared over the past couple of decades.

      • Anonymous

        No, rather rational, honest people, not delusional pandering, amoral liars, who pander to racists and other lost-in-their-bubble thinkers by promoting other forms of hatred and enrage others with their lies.

        • Modavations

          Just hate speech.Make a point.

        • notafeminista

          Smells like a “yes” to me.

      • Anonymous

        I think, more accurately, NOT the way you do.  Do you honestly consider your self “moderate” as opposed to a “true conservative”? 

        • notafeminista

          Nope, I am not a moderate in any sense of the word, nor have I pretended to be.  Moderate means one cannot make a commitement and tries repeatedly (and always failing miserably) to serve all masters.  Can’t be done.

          • Brett

            Let’s see now…which dictionary are you using? Mine doesn’t include the glossary of neocon gobbledegook that yours seems to include. 

          • notafeminista

            Ok.  Define moderate.

    • Anonymous

      Whoops SC, not NC

  • RolloMartins

    Democrats shouldn’t pretend that Obama and their platform are any different from the cronyism of the GOP. Look at the staffers in Obama’s White House. It’s full of CitiGroup, and other Wall St. firms. Having Obama in the White House is preferred over Romney (and certainly Gingrich), but this country needs to overthrow the Wall St/Corporate gov’t that we currently have. Those thinking they have representation are wrong. There is no representation in Congress or the White House except for those corporate “persons” who pay to play. This needs to be the year of the third party candidate. Throw the bums out.

  • Anonymous

    Three mature, intelligent, rational people here to comment on the contemporary Republican party which is about as far as you can get from being mature, intelligent, and rational and still remember how to use a fork and spoon.  Should be an interesting if not bizarre hour.

    • Gregg

      Shrum?!

      • na na na

        Get a job, go to work or else get your own blog. You are a bore!

        • Modavations

          No son,you reject Free Speech.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          It’s free speech.  You have the right to disagree!

      • Brett

        Gregg, perhaps you aren’t the best judge in that regard; after all, as you’ve said, you look to Limbaugh and Hannity as reasonable authorities on the matter….You know, now that I think about it, I’ve never heard you mention David Frum or one of those intelligent conservatives. 

        • Gregg

          I don’t like Hannity and if you don’t think Rush is reasonable then I’m not going to try and convince you. I don’t like Frum any more than I do David Brooks. They are certainly not Conservatives, they are Republicans. Do you really believe Bob Shrum or Kristina Vanden Heuval are “reasonable”?!

  • Brett

    Of course, Newt is one of the elite (e.g., Washington insider for decades, multi-millionaire, etc.). Newt’s transgressions in his personal life haven’t been the problem with social conservatives in the south that it was in Iowa and New Hampshire; they like to see a shot at redemption, particularly when it involves a change that results from what they perceive as a transformation due to committing to a religion. Newt would be more popular in the south if he were Baptist (as would Santorum), but being a Catholic will do. 

    Perhaps poor, white kids (rich, White kids, too) who live in the suburbs don’t need to push a broom after school, but inner-city Black kids surely do (it beats gangbanging and dope dealing, right?)…Newt, of course, probably didn’t mean that; he meant ALL POOR children.

    Maybe Newt WAS a historian advisor for Freddie Mac; I don’t know, I wasn’t in the room. 

    Romney IS a LIAR; Newt may have his own superpac that he doesn’t want anyone to connect him to, but he hasn’t lied about it when asked, hasn’t even been asked.

    Speaking of hypocrisy, it’s not that much of an undesirable behavior, really, particularly if the person you condemn has committed offenses perceived to be worse than yours (by potential voters who didn’t like the person you’ve condemned anyway). 

    Newt has an aggressive, shark brain, in a sense, and that will serve him quite well in meeting with foreign leaders, particularly those who are Not our friends anyway…just think of the man’s legacy.

             

    • Gregg

      I can’t tell if you are being facetious or not, you seem serious. Either way, brilliant comment.

      • na na na

        Gregg, get your own blog!

        • Modavations

          I smell a “Hundie Watts”stalk

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Moda’s an ‘ex-spurt’ on incandescent bulbs?

      • Brett

        WOW!!! You couldn’t tell if I was being facetious?!?!? This means these are your beliefs if you think there is brilliance in my comment (if a person believes those things, he/she doesn’t mind hypocrisy–’other people do it, so?’ He/she thinks of ethics as an afterthought).

        • Anonymous

          I guess we know who really identifies with and wants to be led by the narcissistic sociopath.  Well played.

        • Gregg

          I think you were dead on right.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Romney is a liar?

      Romney’s problem is he’s been too honest and humble.  He doesn’t seem to show a killer instinct and that is what voters want in this cycle.

      Newt’s skills are superb but highly transparent.  He’s a master at deflection but his is also an egomaniac and WILL blow up.

  • Anonymous

    I hope Mitt enjoys Newt’s super pac funded by his millionaire friend.  “Corporations are people, my friend.”

    • original famous Cory

      I wonder if Mitt originally meant to say “Corporations are my friends, people!”.

  • JustSayin

    Partisan analysis is a form of mental masturbation. Its fine if you’re into it, but we have a nation with real issues that cannot and will not be solved by partisan rhetoric.

    I’ve been waiting for someone to ask any of these candidates  some real hard hitting questions… but what we get is irrelevancies and scripted softball questions for the theater of the absurd.

  • Anonymous

    One thing that has always impressed me about the Republicans is that they can quickly get behind a candidate and focus on the general election.  While Obama and Clinton generated interest in the race during a dragged out fight for the nomination, those were two candidates that people were passionate about.  Paul is a cult leader.  Santorum can’t win.  No one likes Romney but he is the only one who has the potential to beat Obama.  This might change as he needs to move to the right (once again) the longer this drags on.  Newt is going to take the party down with him.  Getting rid of winner take all and the Republican Supreme Court’s Citizen United, means that Newt can keep enough money coming in from the super pacs to remain competitive. 

    • BHA in Vermont

      Newt already took the country down when he was Speaker of the House. He has enough political background that he should go down in history with his last gasp being a failed presidential candidate in 2012.

  • Brett

    Santorum said something about collecting delegates in SC?!?! I thought it was a ‘winner-take-all’ deal in SC?

  • Modavations

    The Dems.and Reps. are scared to death of Newt.Go git em boy.My cousin in Bologna heard Newts speech.Best stuff I’ve heard in years.Obama is freaked.Katerina,was a fox,but let’s face it she,like the Left in general, are faded flowers.The rascists of today reside in the Dem.Party.Want to prove me wrong….Accept school vouchers

    • Anonymous

      School vouchers are unconstitutional.  Why did so many private schools come into existence after school integration?  Most racists switched parties. Did the South suddenly switch from Democratic to Republican after LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act for another reason? 
       
      I hope Newt gets the nomination.  Romney would be the better general election candidate. 

       

      • Modavations

        Pell Grants,son.Public money in private schools has been around for ever.Free your chattel.

      • Modavations

        Robert Byrd is beloved by the Left

        • Anonymous

          I said most and I never voted for that disgraceful Klansman. 

          • Modavations

            The raison d’etre of the left is “keeping poor people poor.Union thugs arn’t enough to carry an election ,they need the dependency vote

          • r.b.

            Gingrich has learned the fictional script well.  Apparently, many still want to believe in santa claus. .. 

  • Dpweber83

    I don’t have Romney’s $10,000 to wager, but I’ll bet my eye teeth on President Obama winning reelection.  That said, if Romney would be kind enough to loan me the money, I’d be happy to make him a quick and tidy return on his investment.

    -dan
    Boston, MA

    • Modavations

      I’ll bet you the $10,000.In fact,he won’t even seek reelection(I won’t bet on that,though)

      • Brett

        Don’t you mean 10,000 incandescent lightbulbs?

        • Modavations

          Time out Brother Brett.I gotta go burn one,otherwise you make no sense

          • Brett

            It was a “j” Mo-D! You know, your stash of light bulbs/your $10,000 in a mattress in the basement, and so on. Maybe burning a doob might just help?

          • Modavations

            Dude,come on I’m pulling your leg.I’m your mate

        • Terry Tree Tree

          He only said he bought a million of them!  He can’t wager ANY, or he could run out this year!

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Do you pay off like Gregg?  Been waiting months!

      • Dpweber83

        You’re on: I’ve got $10k on Obama winning this thing. 

        How shall we get in contact with one another?  I want this in writing.

        • Modavations

          Your on.Let’s put the money in escrow in the bank of your choice.Call me 1-800-313-9659

  • MarkVII88

    Am I the only one who thinks it’s absolutely hilarious that Romney has this great organization, is so well-funded, and is outspending all his competitors but can’t seem to pull anything together after all these debates and after 3 contests?  For the most part, voters seem unwilling to trust him.  What’s the deal?

    • BHA in Vermont

      Super PACs.  Thanks to the Supreme Court and Citizen’s United

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        SuperPACs are a creation of McCain Feingold and poorly designed campaign finance laws.

        Don’t restrict money to candidates but have complete, daily transparency and let the candidates take RESPONSIBILITY for there own attack ads. 

        That simple solution will solve most ills.

      • Modavations

        What’s the difference between a Union and IBM?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          You STILL haven’t figured out that simple problem?  Keep thinking on it, get guppy’s help?  Maybe the entire alumi from B.C. can figure it out in a year or two?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    I am continously amazed at how the general lack of long-term political memory on the part of the average American voter allows conservative politicians to completely reinvent themselves every few months. Though when this is coupled with a 24-hour newscycle that gives equal weight to a poltician’s policies and voting record as it does their personnal life and what they had for dinner last night I guess I should not be too surprised.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    I can’t think of anyone better than Newt to portray the real values and ethics of the Republican Party.

    Unfortunately for them, I expect the middle would flock to Obama – not for any great love of Obama, but from recoiling in disgust from Newt.

    • ebw343

      I can’t think of anyone I’d less like to see with theit hand on the nuclear red button than Newt Gingrich.

    • BHA in Vermont

      “from recoiling in disgust from Newt”

      As well they should.

    • Lin

      Romney, the “walking corporation” does a pretty good job too.

  • BHA in Vermont

    When will the Republicans (and potentially the USA Voters) figure out that what DIDN’T work was:
    1) Trickle down economics (unless you are the 1%)
    2) “Cut taxes and spend” budgeting
    3) Cutting taxes and starting unfunded wars

    These ARE the major causes of our current economic problems?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

      Sadly they can’t even remember the mess Obama inherited. Things weren’t just bad, they were crashing.

      • notafeminista

        Sadly how quickly Americans forget President Obama didn’t “inherit” anything, but rather applied for, and was accepted for, the job.

        Credit James Taranto WSJ Best of the Web.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

          If you consider the direction and speed the economy was headed when he came into office, it’s been a pretty big turnaround.

        • BHA in Vermont

          Yes he ran for the job but that doesn’t change the fact that GWB pushed tax cuts while starting 2 wars, the second with NO support from anyone other than the Brits and based on lies and more LIES.

          • Modavations

            Ya,ya Bush su-ks.Turn around and face the future.It’s gonna take a long time,but lets start digging ourselves out.

          • BHA in Vermont

            Hopefully we won’t have to turn around to see the future.  If we want a future we need affordable HEALTH CARE. I don’t see the Republican’s vow to reverse the health care plan as a step to anything but backwards and REALLY positive for the for profit private insurance companies.

          • Modavations

            Instead of 4 health carriers,Mass. needs 4 hundred.Newt says defensive Medicine costs us 800Billion a year.Needless tests

          • Brett

            This is a current country-wide problem. The same Four or five insurance companies control the health insurance business in each state; in some states there are only two or three choices. The current Health care law allows for cross-state competition. This doesn’t address the problem of needing to increase competition. It is a race to the bottom, so to speak.

            As far as defensive medicine goes, I sort of agree that this issue needs resolution. It is too complex an issue, though, to wrap it up in a bumper sticker of “torte reform.” Generally, this also is true; however, putting a cap on pain and suffering, gross negligence, etc., isn’t going to change that, and it isn’t the answer. 

          • notafeminista

            It absolutely changes that fact that he didn’t inherit doodly.  Furthermore the inheritance comment makes him look like a dilettante; like he had no idea or knowledge what he was getting himself into.  Is THIS what you are claiming of the brilliant Harvard scholar who was a mere 18 months prior a National Senator from Illinois and distinguished (so-called) professor?!

        • Krjb

          Somebody had to try.  The Republicans weren’t going to fix anything except for their wealthy patrons.  All they did was stand in the way of Obama fixing the mess they created.

          • notafeminista

            You’ll concede this was not an inheritance then…nothing was foisted upon (then) Sen. Obama without his absolute willing participation?

      • Modavations

        He volunteered,he volunteered,he volunteered

        • Fredlinskip

          Hey Moda you said you watched “Meteor Attack” on Sci-fi channel. Did you catch “Snow Beast”.
          Work of Art.
          Don’t want to spoil it for you, but one of the best parts:
          “Argh. Uhh.” “Here comes Abdominal Snow Man.” ” And he eats humans too”.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      You have a point on unfunded wars but the rest of you points are leftist talking points.

      Every objective analysis shows the federal budget woes stem from over spending.

      • Krjb

        The Republicans (Nixon, Reagan, Bushes and the Republican congress) have been the most serious over-spenders.  Only if we give up the fantasy that special deals preserving the wealthy 1% will somehow help the country can we achieve fiscal soundness.  That was always the best argument to be a Republican.  Only they never followed it because they are so determined to preserve the wealth of the privileged.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Not really.  I agree that Bush II had some real problems with spending.

          Bush’s worst deficit was $370B.  Obama’s worst deficit was $1.5T.

          The problem I have with Obama is he didn’t take the spending seriously.  If he had shown leadership by pushing for passage of a form of Simpson-Bowles I would have respected him.  He went in a completely different direction.

          Simpson-Bowles doesn’t even come close to balancing the budget but it at least moves us in the right direction.

          • Fredlinskip

            When Obama was elected, I hoped that he would NOT follow Dem predecessors and rebalance the budget that Clinton left “deficits don’t matter” W that W then went on to deliberately destroy. Why balance the budget and then hand it over to another GOP President who if past is any indication, is not only guaranteed to at least double national debt (Reagan tripled), but they ‘ll do it by engaging in unnecessary Wars, military buildup, War profiteering, policy that in general only benefit the wealthiest amongst us, & record pork-barrel spending?
                Spend, Obama Admin, spend, I thought- because at least if GOV in general hasn’t the sense God gave chipmunks as far as balancing budget, AT LEAST, spend it on things that matter- environment, improving condition of middle class, improving health care system.
            DON’T HAND A BALANCED BUDGET BACK TO  A GOP PREZ!!

            Been there. Done that.
            All’s you get for your efforts is War, corporate corruption, & policies to the benefit of a few.

      • BHA in Vermont

        So cutting taxes provides more money to cover the expenses the citizens of this country demand? The problem is person A demands service A and person B doesn’t like service A but dammit, they NEED service B which person A doesn’t like.

        And “trickle down economics” is not a talking point. Taxes on the rich went down, the rich got richer; the poor and middle class got poorer. It didn’t happen because the poor and middle class decided to sit on the porch instead of work.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          I agree that the size of government and how we pay for it are very valid disagreements and should be debated.

          What I don’t accept is the Bush tax cuts caused the economic downturn.  Pelosi, Reid and Obama make this case over and over but that doesn’t make it fact.

          There also is a compelling case that the Laffer curve is real and the economy can only generate a limited amount of tax revenue due to the dynamic effect of high taxes limiting economic growth.

          • Rogerjo37

            The Bush tax cuts clearly made the enormous rise in the deficit that you decry.  The failure to monitor and control bad banking/investment policies were primarily responsible for the economic downturn.  The banks were bailed out.  The public paid the price.  This was Bush’s initiative.

    • Michaellong100

      I couldn’t stand Bush and despised the mess he created with Wall Street, but Obama (Goldman Sachs PR Man) is even worse. Why don’t Dem Voters give Obama a free pass when it comes to who has in his administration? He makes a mockery of financial reform and everyone plays along.

      Jack Lew – former Citigroup Exec

      William M. Daily – former J.P Morgan exec.

      Larry Summers – father of derivatives Market, repeal of Glass Steagall

      Ben Bernenke – Fed Chair during the mortgage mess and bailout. RECONFIRMED BY OBAMA.

      Tim Geithnar – Chair of the New York fed during the worst bubble in history. Chief derivatives cheerleader! PROMOTED TO SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

      Obama’s SEC has fewer prosecutions than any president in history. 

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/financial-fraud-prosecution_n_1095933.html

      Obama is Bush with a different marketing department. His politics and his policy have nothing in common.  

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    The best pushback would be just showing some facts from the CBO and GAO- 750,000 jobs per month lost under Dubya, TARP for big banks that changed nothing, 300K jobs directly saved by the loans for US automakers and another 2 – 3 million jobs saved from business around the auto industry, how much money has been  lost to the Republicans ending the inheritance tax on the richest 1/10% of Americans.

    What about the Republicans calling for us to start a war with Iran and keep us in Iraq and Afghanistan, after 10 years and trillions of dollars.

    Hell, just point out the hypocrisy.

  • Rdcinbuf

    As an independent, I have been totally disappointed with Republican candidates and the circular firing squad.  The only ones left are the usual idiologues that can only babble sound bites and spew nonsense about Obama’s supposed socialist agenda.  How can it be more important to discuss abortion repeatedly and ignore any substantial plan for job creation economic reality. I had hopes that there would be some substance and reason, but now that Huntsman has withdrawn, there has been virtually nothing but rabble rousing.  It’s now like having to decide which terminal disease you would prefer  

  • Ellen Dibble

    It is possible that once the Romney tax returns come out, people will realize that the “inequality” that exists today is really about power, the power to call the shots, and to conserve one’s position, and I think people will begin to realize that this kind of “opportunity” to “make it” is not — not — the American dream.  This is the imperialist dream of the kind of colonialists we fought to detach ourselves from.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      There is nothing new in Romney’s return.  He has investment income and pays a 15% effective rate.

      John Kerry is much wealthier than Romney and he released his returns.  Most of his income was muni bonds and he paid 0% on that money.  I don’t recall this issue hurt Kerry?  Did it?

      • Brett

        I agree…it’s not an issue; although, he’s made it into something of an issue by his cagy responses. 

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Right on.  Romney ham handed every response to taxes last week.  He couldn’t have done worse if he had tried.

  • ping1

    poor people dont vote

    • Modavations

      That’s what Acorn is for.Offer cigs,get a vote

      • Anonymous

        Boring, and redundant.

        • Modavations

          Your intellectual point is?

          • Anonymous

            That you are boring and make redundant comments that may be a lot of things, but intellectual is not one of them.

        • notafeminista

          And right on the money.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    I’m surprised Obama get slammed so much in the economy. If you go back to 2009, the market was in free fall when he came into office, the Dow dropping another 2k points into the 6000′s when it hit bottom about 2 months later.

    Since then the market has almost doubled. It could have easily kept going other way and I don’t think people ever even consider that.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Keystone Pipeline is shovel ready and 100% privately funded.

      This decision sums up Obama and the economy.

      • BHA in Vermont

        It was turned down because the ROUTE IS NOT SET.

        Would YOU approve a pipeline near your house if you didn’t know where it was going? Could be through your backyard, the front yard, your living room or 1/2 mile away. Go ahead and approve it, take your chances.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Have you heard of leadership?  We want a leader who can get things done.

          The route issue is a smokescreen.  They’ve been working on this for 3 years.  There are already thousands of miles of pipeline through Nebraska and Nebraska has clearly said they want it.

          • TFRX

            I can’t hear anyone call for leadership over the WATB tantrums of the GOP.

            Record number of holds, filibusters, and neck-snapping reversals on things that make sense when Obama says “Let’s do this”?

            I hope you were paying attention.

      • John in Vermont

        If you’re willing to support this bad project while oil supplies are there I can’t even imagine the environmental destruction you’ll support when supplies tighten up.

        • notafeminista

          Well one can always hope.  Unfortunately for the Left, Ehrlich was wrong.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

        We have a bazillion crumbling highways, bridges and other existing infrastructure “shovel ready”.

        • Modavations

          Terry,please note the term bazillion.This is known as a literary device

          • Terry Tree Tree

            With you, less than 20 equals a zillion! 
               Mercury + Lead + B.C. education equals poor math?

          • Modavations

            Terry it is often said the Volunteer Fire men ,are Fire  bugs.Your thoughts please

          • Terry Tree Tree

            As I have stated at public Fire-Rescue meetings, Fire-Fighters that start fires for profit, for fun(?), for a fire to fight, are CRIMINALS and make life harder for us in MANY ways!
               Next smear attempt?

          • Modavations

            That my friend is called the Warning Shot.Stand down before you start your daily stalk.Moda eats Mercury,BC is for dolts,and on and on

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You’re going to cast aspersions against my Volunteer Fire-Fighting Volunteer Rescue Squad work, and my other donated public service to my community, because I remind people on here about statements that you have made about yourself? 
               Go ahead and prove my points even more!

      • Chris

        Yeah, pipe Canadian tar sand oil across our water aquifers in the mid west to Europe.

        That sums up Republicans and the criminal elite CEOs who retire with golden parachutes when disasters happen on their watch.

      • nj

        That’s right, lets pump hard-to-access fossil fuel using energy- and water-intensive extraction methods, convey it over a thousand miles with the attendant leaks and environmental damage, pump more CO2 into the air, for a few decades of supply…

        But hey, we’ll have a few jobs for a while, and a few companies will profit, so it’s all good.

        All bow to “growth” and jobs!

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          The oil will be pumped.  The CO2 will be released.

          There are already 10′s of thousands of working, safe pipelines.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            One Canadian pipeline company has had over 800 leaks of totals over 200,000 barrels! 
                That’s NOT a problem to you?

  • John in Vermont

    If I were in the Obama 2012 campaign I’d be rooting for Newt or Rick. They may capture the heart of the new conservatives in the GOP but they won’t appeal to the swing constituencies.

    No matter how much liberals and progressives dislike Obama they won’t leave him for Newt or Rick as they may for Mitt.  The same goes for true, middle of the road independents.

    I believe I can hear “Go Newt, Go!” coming from the oval office now.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Good synopsis :)

  • BHA in Vermont

    Does Romney know anything about Occupy Wall Street?
    Has he even heard of it?
    RICH people hiding money in the Cayman Islands and paying a 15% tax rate while the middle class pays a higher rate?

    Get a grip Mitt, ‘entitled’ people like you ARE the reason Occupy started.

    We aren’t jealous of your money, we are mad as he11 that you get special treatment to AVOID paying reasonable taxes on your income.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Do you pay more taxes than you owe?

      Do you know anyone who pays more?

      John Kerry moved his yacht out of state to avoid taxes.  At least Mitt pays ALL his taxes.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

        Sure – that’s why he has millions in a known tax haven.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          He claims he is paying the same taxes as if the investments were in the US.  We will see.

          My understanding is the investments in the Caymans are there solely to attract foreign investors.  His blind trust is investing some of this money in those funds.

        • notafeminista

          Just can’t wait to get your hands on his money can you.

          And they say Communism is discredited.

      • Modavations

        John Kerry gave $500.00 in charity the year he ran for Pres.

        • Chris

          I’m sure Mitt will have some good looking 2011 taxes too.

          Just don’t look any further back.

      • BHA in Vermont

        Yeah, I have MILLIONS in the Cayman Islands. It sits next to Romney’s MILLIONS.

        Should Kerry have taken the legal loophole to move his boat so it wouldn’t be taxed? Guess it depends on your POV. Legal, yes. Moral? Very questionable, especially when he and his wife are REALLY rich. It isn’t like they would have had to file for food stamps if they paid the tax on it.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          I’m not sure if Kerry’s move was legal.  He was using the boat primarily at his home in MA.  I think he backed down and payed the tax.

          This is like Rose Kennedy, who lived full time in MA, but had a home in FL, evaded MA estate taxes when she died by her estate declaring FL residency.

          • Modavations

            Liberal Speak…Do As I Say,Not As I Do.The Politiboro is a strange animal

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Mitt Romney didn’t signed the law on taxes he just know how to pay less. Legally

  • Rogerjo37

    The core problem with the Republican nomination effort was
    clear here in Iowa from the outset. 
    There is an almost schizophrenic character to their message.  There is great frustration with not being in
    power.  There is hatred of Obama (some of
    it racial).  But there is nothing they
    really stand for that should rally the electorate.  Will a compelling vision for leading the
    country ever emerge from this group in this political climate?  A huge part of the problem is the way they
    poisoned the character of American politics over the last 4 years.

      Quickly here are the
    main pieces of the tension within the GOP (O is apparently for obstructionist).  Ron Paul has the only ideologically
    consistent message.  He is a true
    constitutionalist and a libertarian committed to keeping the government out of
    people’s personal lives.  But he doesn’t
    measure up to the party’s ideology demands and there are serious flaws in his
    positions.  Santorum holds out for the
    radical religious right.  The
    self-righteous fervor of Christian fundamentalists has been the margin of victory
    for Republicans.  But their views are
    well outside the core of Republican ideals. 
    Romney stands for the pro-business, moneyed interests in America.  He has the finances and the experience but pandering
    to the rich has again shown to be bad for the country.  And Gingrich is the surviving, potentially
    viable un-Romney alternative.   But his
    ideas failed at the end of the Reagan era and led to the Clinton-led prosperity
    and only period of decline in the national debt.

      How do you pull a
    winning message out of such slim pickings?

    • Rdcinbuf

      100% agree!  This should be more than having to hold your nose and choose the least odious alternative.  Where is the substance.  There is no one left that can possibly inspire any enthusiam across the broad spectrum of serious voters. 

      • nj

        Rocky Anderson! Look him up!

    • R …

      Very good observations.

  • R …

    Unbridled deregulated capitalism is not democracy. Citizens United is one of many milestones over the past 35 years of the attempted commoditizing of everything by the plutocracy.

    Lets do our best to understand that big money fights and big money fights dirty… “beware of the military industrial complex.”

  • Modavations

    Fairness,Social Justice.Meaningless piffle words to me.

    • Anonymous

      We’ve noticed.

      • Modavations

        Make a point please

        • Anonymous

          I think the point is you are a clueless bloviator with no actual useful ideas.  Sorry to be so direct, but you are apparently unable to get the point when less-directly put.

    • r.b.

      Yeah: deny birth control for the poor, esp., so as to have the cheapest labor pool, and send all the poor kids to the factories; adoption is a fairly unregulated business, so that’s a new, possible growth industry; pay people so little, that they have to grow thier own food, after working in someone else’s “fields” all day. . .  think of the profits!!  I’m salivating. . .

      • notafeminista

        Oh come now, growing your own food is better for the environment.   Sustenance farming, no need to burn those fossil fuels driving to the grocery story and so on….no pesticides, no hormones.  Think how much healthier the children will be.

        • r.b.

          Nice to be able to, if you don’t have to work at two, three, four, part time jobs, to pay for everything else. 

          • notafeminista

            I’d rather work 4 jobs and stay as independent as I’d like than take “help” from the feds.  If I need 4 jobs to support my lifestyle, then I need to re-think some of my choices.

          • TFRX

            Yep. I love me some Normal Rockwell and Currier & Ives, but if sustenance farming were so doable by ordinary folks, methinks more families would be doing it.

          • notafeminista

            Ok, that made me laugh right out loud!  So we need to shop local and grow our own food in order to save the environment, but that can’t be done by “ordinary” folks.  And why not?  People do exactly and precisely as they want to do.

          • TFRX

            How little do you about agriculture?

            Farming and gardening are two separate things. If a crop fails, gardeners like myself are not going to have to go to the bank to get a loan to tide them over until the next growing season. Farmers depend on that crop coming in.

            For almost all Americans, “growing my own food” doesn’t mean “quitting my full time job and living in a sustenance-based agriculture”. One big reason is that family farming used to be a sustenance thing in previous centuries but is basically not any longer. They could do a bit of everything and with luck have something to bring to market for money. Today’s scale of agriculture doesn’t do that, really. Specialization is the key, whether it’s livestock or crops.

            On the family garden front: That takes a bit of money and time. Randian self-deniers who are in nice suburbs and have one job can do it much easier than people shuttling between three part-time crap jobs.

            But, please, try handwaving away that luxury.

          • notafeminista

            Make that 13 people lined up telling us it can’t be done.  Why does that happen?  We need to shop local, grow our own etc etc and then spend 15 minutes telling us why we can’t.  I really really wish the Left would get themselves organized.

        • Anonymous

          That’s a lot easier if you got a cushy job at the business or using the land your family has owned for generations.

  • V Hart

    Mr. Shrum or Galston mentioned that the working class distrusts government – well which party has overwhelmingly controlled government (executive and representative branches) since Ronald Reagan?  It has not been the Democrats.

    • Tncanoeguy

      The Republicans have done a better job of shaping the debate on the role of government.

  • Chris

    These two campaign guys are out of touch.

    As a member of the middle class I and my friends have figured out that the severe inequality in this country comes from the criminal elite that buy our government to serve only them.

    These elite are traitors to this country.

    They have no allegiance to the American people.

    They have sold us out over and over to make their millions and billions.

    • Modavations

      Term Limits,gold standard.It’s easy

      • Anonymous

        Simplistic, not easy.

        • Modavations

          Make a point please

          • Guest

            Term limits won’t close the revolving door or prevent the fundamental corruption of elected officials serving their corporate masters.

          • Modavations

            Why do you think over 30 states have term limits.I’ll take a chance on the experiment.

    • John in Vermont

      So you are a Ron Paul supporter.  Paul’sslogan should be “If you always do what you’ve always done then you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten. Try something new!” (NOT something Newt!)

      • Chris

        NO. I don’t support any of these bought and paid for candidates. Or the crazy like Ron Paul who wants to cut food stamps spending by 67% but the military spending by only 15%. Even though he talks a good game about the military spending that is breaking this country.

        I’m voting NO CONFIDENCE IN THE CORRUPT SYSTEM.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Have to disagree with the one guest – If my memory serves me right Dubya got himself re-elected with less than 40% approval, and after giving us a HUGE deficit from the unfunded wars.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Bush probably got a little help from Diebold?

      Neil

      • Scott B, Jamestown NY

        I can think of 9 people in particular that helped Dubya win Florida…

        • notafeminista

          I can think of just one guy from Tennessee who helped Dubya win…

      • Modavations

        Don’t know,but Ralph Nader sure didn’t help.As for you being an independent,not in my book

    • TFRX

      But what the voters think isn’t important enough with the Beltway inbred press, and Dem strategists spend too much time concerned with the inbred press.

      The mainstream press fluffed Shrub all the way down to sub-freezing approval ratings. The only way for Obama to get that kind of narrative preapproval is to change parties.

  • alitza blough

    I’m here again Tom… Money Out of Politics. However he couches it, the message running through all unrest is Money Out of Politics. Big gov, small gov… it’s Government in bed w/ $$$ interests that’s the problem, the enemy, the issue.

  • Modavations

    According to Tom A., Heritage is Conservative and Brookings is neutral.What a hoot,it’s a front group for Dems and Communist-socialists

    • nj

      ^ Thinks the Democrats are “Communist-socialists.”

      Did they teach you that at BC or did you figure it out on your own?

      • Modavations

        and the intellectual point is?

  • alitza blough

    They are even prostituting out the staffers now. Despicable!!! That is the habit of abuse, addiction, and prostitution.

  • Chris

    I don’t care who wins the 2012 presidential race.

    THEY ARE ALL BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE CRIMINAL ELITE!

  • Jmc

    ha, and corporate welfare is a successfull experiment?

  • BHA in Vermont

    I think caller Scott needs to get out more. Not everyone on welfare are cheats. I bet there are more very well off people who cheat on their taxes than welfare recipients who cheat.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      The Department of Welfare is the problem.

      • Chris

        Yeah for Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Exxon Mobil, BP, Halliburton and all the other corporate welfare queens.

        • nj

          Shhhh…Chris, you’re not supposed to mention that.

          • Chris

            What? 

            Can’t the rabid Right wing haters hate corporates like they hate poor people? 

            Didn’t Romney say, corporations are people my friend?

    • TFRX

      But well-off people are well-off. That makes them simply better than rabble like us, or the Indianan caller and her spouse who went on food stamps.

      It’s almost a meme in this country that if one needs charity, then it’s moral proof that one doesn’t deserve it.

  • TomK in Boston

    Obama has got to stop acting like a traditional moderate republican. Harry Truman said “Given a choice between a fake republican and a real republican, the voters will choose the real republican every time.” STFU about “reforming” SS and medicare. Real democrats defend those cornerstones of the American dream. STFU about “the debt”. Debt is no big deal and is being used mainly as a talking point to scare the middle class into sinking even further. Don’t let the TeaOP get away with calling recognition of our skyrocketing inequality “class warfare”. The real class warfare is the tax cutting, deregulation, and corporate piracy of voodoo economics. Dems should act like Dems and raise taxes at the top, re-regulate the financial sector, defend unions, and propose national health care.

    I’m a lifelong Deb, but I’m not voting for any fake republicans.

    • nj

      So, Tom, do you really think that Obama and the CorporDems that currently control the party are going to “aise taxes at the top, re-regulate the financial sector, defend unions, and propose national health care”?

      Are you going to vote for Obummer next year?

      • TomK in Boston

        nj, ‘fraid not. Worse, I think they might talk the talk and keep walking the corporate walk. I don’t intend to vote for O’Busha, but I’m not sure if that will hold up if the TeaOP candidate is our disgusting, loathsome space alien former gov…y’know, the one who said “abortion should be safe and legal”.

      • Modavations

        Obummer.What’s with you guy.Cut the tripe and make an intellectual point

        • Anonymous

          I see this is the new evasive tactic: asking people to make an intellectual point. Well when you do let me know so I can respond in kind. 

  • Ian

    welfare checks make up such a small % of money in the economy- how much? so little! Even if you cut all welfare out it will not help anything. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      for real. People don’t know that.

  • Tncanoeguy

    Republicans labeling Obama as the dependency president is their attempt at framing the debate, it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with reality. 

    • notafeminista

      Implying then that there aren’t more people on food stamps and public assistance than there were 4 years ago?

      • Ray in VT

        I’m sure that there are, but is it because of Obama?  Given the state of the national economy over the past four years the only viable way to have kept that number flat probably would have been to limit access to those benefits.

        • notafeminista

          No you’re right.  People made the choice to go on public assistance – I will concede that point.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you.  These people who are on food stamps, and their families, should starve, or else beg from religious or private charitable institutions.  That’s your proposal, isn’t it? 

        • Chris

          I don’t think they will starve if the EAT THE RICH.

        • Anonymous

          Of course it is. It’s also the fault of those people, such as the caller from Indiana, when they need help.
          Social Darwinism. 

        • notafeminista

          You find begging from the federal government to be preferable?

          Two men and a woman are sitting at the bar.  One man says to the woman, “Would you sleep with my friend for a million dollars?”  The woman replies, “Yes I would.”   The first man then says, “Would you sleep with my friend for ten dollars?”  Incensed, the woman replies, “I would not!  What type of woman do you think I am?”  To which the first man replies, “Madam, we’ve already established what type of woman you are.  We’re just setting terms now.”

          Geez.

          • Anonymous

             Someone who is eligible for and requests food stamps is no more a beggar than a soldier asking that he receive the benefits to which he is entitled by federal law.  

          • notafeminista

            Right.  Because we’d rather have the public more dependent on the government than the church.

  • alitza blough

    The Libertarian appeal is because the only legislation we pass, even talk about anymore is drafted by the corporations. Small business has been taking it in the you know what for decades, I can’t blame them for their distrust, but the President needs to convey to them that the problem is that the Money is writing the legislation and that he will fix it… he better be willing to fix it…

  • Jxb17

    We need to look at the attack by the republicans on our education, our infrastructure.  They have made every effort to give the money to the rich (via reduced taxes) and take it from education and infrastructure. 

    • notafeminista

      10,000 or more spent by each state on each pupil, and the figure just keeps going up, and yet our SAT/ACT scores keep going down.  This is 40 years of the Great Society?  Scores keep going down and the Left screams we don’t have enough money.  There is plenty of money – it has been grossly mismanaged.

      • Modavations

        $13,000 is the right figure.In S.Jobs book he says SAT’s started to decline with the advent of the Dept.of Education.Furthermore he said the more power the Union got,the lower the SATs.Last year American Students scored the worst ever,in all 7 measured disciplines.S.Jobs called Pres.Obama  the can’t do President.

        • notafeminista

          Welllllllllll Mr. Jobs just part of the 1%, making money off the backs of the honest working men.  What could he possibly know?

        • Will H

          That’s what happens when you throw money after bad with programs like NCLB.  There should instead be programs in changing parental behavior and the culture of mediocrity.  Schools can’t change everything.

  • Chris

    Both of these guys make (made) their livings telling the American people lies to get their votes.

    The truth lies in the actions of the politicians once they are elected.

    And every president since Ronald Reagan sold out the American people’s interests and only worked for the interests of the criminal elite.

    • notafeminista

      And just what are the American peoples’ interest?

      • Chris

        A government that provides for their health and common good. Like education and infrastructure.

        A government that holds the rapacious criminal multi-national treasonous corporations in check.

        • notafeminista

          I can provide for my own health and good thanks. 

          • Anonymous

            If you get hit by a bus tomorrow, that’s going to be kind of hard. What if you ran out of health insurance and had to pay for the medical bills yourself. Slipped into serious debt and could not work for six months or more.
            What if you had a stroke or heart attack and were unable to walk or speak due to the stroke.

            You seem to think you are immune from something bad happening to you. I hope nothing does , but one never knows do one. 

          • Anonymous

            Avoiding getting hit by a bus might be why the right is against public transportation.

          • notafeminista

            Okay that was funny! 

          • notafeminista

            Yeah, but the Left’s solution is to outlaw the bus and make me pay for health insurance that no only covers broken legs (presumably acquired during said bus accident) but also prostate exams which not being possessed of one, strikes me as just a waste of money.

            I can take care of myself thanks.

          • BHA in Vermont

            They don’t have to pay for procedures you don’t have now do they?  Just because a policy covers prostate and cervical exams doesn’t mean everyone will have them just because they are covered. And you don’t pay a la carte for what is covered.

            If you makes millions a year, then yes you can take care of yourself. But not everyone can. LOTS AND LOTS of families have two people working full time jobs that have no benefits, health or otherwise and for minimum wage or not much more. Try living on that then paying for your cancer treatments out of pocket.

            I suspect the “no taxes, small government” Tea Partiers would be pretty surprised at the cost of all the government services they use if they had to pay for them individually.

          • notafeminista

            Why am I paying for coverage for something I don’t have?

            That is a waste of money.

          • Brett

            …I knew you didn’t have a prostate. Frankly, I didn’t “know,” that is I suspected (as one could readily imagine, a poor man’s Laura Ingram would not have one, obviously). 

            Anyway, your convoluted bus metaphor notwithstanding, since you first started getting health insurance (presuming you have it and have had it for some time) you are already paying for someone else’s prostate exam. I am paying for someone else’s gall bladder operation, and someone else is paying for someone else’s EKG…it’s how insurance works. However, you are correct (what’s that Confucian expression about a blind hog finding an acorn? I can’t remember.); if you do not have a prostate, getting a prostate exam WOULD be a waste of money. Thanks for using humor and absurdity to state the obvious; I, for one, appreciate a good farce.  

          • notafeminista

            And under Obamacare I’d be paying for it twice.  Sound economic policy.

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            Do you provide your own clean drinking water, police and fire protection, safe food, and medical research, too?  Were you home schooled, and have you driven on the highways and bridges at all?

            Neil

          • TFRX

            Why is it all the right-wingers on this board have jet packs and waste-to-potable water sanitation units and I don’t?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Foreclosed on any legal home-owners?

  • Alex Lessin

    Democrats need to spend time demonstrating the success of programs like social security and food stamps through narratives and images. Ignoring the sentiment that Scott expressed will cost us big time.

    • notafeminista

      Too bad there aren’t any.

      • TFRX

        Let’s just cut off the aid to all those values voters in RealAmerica if it’s such a failure and they’re all Randian superstuds-in-waiting.

        • notafeminista

          Always 12 people lined up to tell you why something can’t be done.  And people wonder why test scores are in the basement.

          • TFRX

            Get back on your jetpack, Randroid.

          • notafeminista

            10,0000 plus per student – where’s that money going?

            Not to educate the students.

  • Karoline

    Instead of saying the problem is jobs the more accurate statement would be to say the problem is falling wages and cut hours. It’s not enough to demand jobs. We have to demand higher wages too. That’s the real problem with the economy.

  • Anonymous

    If the caller is angry with folks committing welfare fraud, Report it! otherwise you are also part of the problem.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      The people who are getting welfare is not the problem the people who are giving the welfare are the problem.

      • Modavations

        Now your talking

  • Terry from Franklin

    Is Wal-Mart still handing out SNAP applications to all of their new hires?

    • Chris

      Reason number 2 not to shop there.

      Reason number 1 is everything is MADE IN CHINA.

      And reason number 3 is the Waltons are the richest people in this country with BILLIONS. INEQUALITY by destroying small town America and American jobs.

      • notafeminista

        I cannot possibly imagine why Americans would shop there clearly in detriment to their own self-interest.  The Waltons must be dragging them in bodily.

        • Chris

          Can’t wait until Americans who shop there can’t afford it anymore.

          They will be like, duh, what happened.

          Fools.

          • notafeminista

            People will always be able to shop there.  Walmart will just find a cheaper labor pool to exploit, no?

          • Chris

            Can you get much cheaper then slave labor you don’t have to provide food and housing for?

          • notafeminista

            Oh I suspect so.  The Left will see to it.

        • Brett

          In many communities, the smaller hardware stores/grocery stores, etc., have been pushed out of business by Wal*mart™ leaving many communities to offer little or no choice in where one can plunk down his/her dollars (our truest vote in the US) for groceries and whatnot. Even considering not all people living in caves (or whatever your preferred method of shelter might be; I don’t want to be presumptuous) are connected to the common knowledge that strong, local economies are kept stable by small business diversity, something Wal*Mart™ serves to destroy, it only makes sense that many forms of economic blackmail (not much of a leap from the old “company store”) are still alive and well, thriving, if you will.  

          • notafeminista

            Except in the larger communities (anything over 1500) with plenty of choices 30 mins away or less (I live in a rural community – I know).  There’s plenty of choices out there beyond the WalMart despite the Left’s desperate need for otherwise.  People.make.choices.  Get over it.

      • Anonymous

        I think your heart is in the right place but I think arguments like the above are totally wrongheaded. That’s not to mean I agree or even support the outsourcing practices of the likes of Walmart, but I just don’t understand why there’s never a outcry to sell more stuff to the Chinese. And no, they’re not all starving, exploited factory workers there. There are so many there, notably in places like Shanghai, who drive around in Rolls Royces and have no shame in displaying their recent success. Why can’t we figure out how to sell much more stuff for them provided enough there have wealth and most there still think highly of the “Made in the USA” brand. 

        When the South Koreans can run trade surpluses with the Chinese, there’s absolutely no reason that Americans cannot sell the Chinese loads more of Buicks, Harleys and so forth.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          There have been MANY reports of the ways that China keeps most of our products OUT!

          • Anonymous

            Which of these “MANY” reports are you invoking and what do you mean by “most of our products OUT!” when our exports to China have risen over 30% this past year and have shown a steady pattern of growth during the Obama administration following nearly a decade of manufacturing complacency and malaise? IOW, I have a fundamental problem with the general US public sentiment that wants to blame China for all our woes while neglecting to address our structural problems and in the process, wasting time with propaganda campaigns for legislation that proved to be total wastes of our time because they’re always defeated.

            Look, I’m not saying there are not trade issues with China and that they’ve been all upstanding in their dealings with the US. However, espousing rhetorics or policies that instigate economic contraction and isolationism if not an all out, ill-conceived trade war based on faulty reasoning isn’t how the US pulls itself out of its hole.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I don’t really blame China for our poor negotiations, nor the rest of our woes.
               The patent-infringements, copyright infringements, and other crimes, I blame on the importers, and Law Enforcement, for NOT enforcing!
               I admit that I was unaware that our exports to China had risen 30%.
               It seems that we export the factories and the jobs, then import the products made in those factories.

          • Anonymous

            Sure and I can’t say you’re entirely wrong or that I disagree with where you’re coming from on this because I have no stake in China and would rather see US jobs stay in the US. But do you recall the high tariffs Obama was forced to place on Chinese tires? Well, two years after that fight, we in the US are not making any low end tires and haven’t provided any additional jobs as we would have liked or planned. Instead, we’re importing those cheap tires from Thailand, Vietnam and Mexico instead of China.

            I’m not sure where you live but in 2010 in my state of MA alone, nearly a billion worth of computers and electronics were exported to China followed by half billion in machinery, $100 miilion in chemicals and another $100 million in waste & scraps. Likewise, CA, WA and TX exported five to six times what MA exported to China. Once the US has made more a complete transition or retooling in its manufacturing base, I can’t imagine why this rate would not be increased dramatically. IOW, it’s just be foolish and totally antithetical to American values to not make China and India our two best customers.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    How much isn’t Scott paying his employees that they have to game the system to stay on food stamps and welfare to make ends meet?  There probably aren’t lawbreaking citizens in their every day lives. These are the same people that are like the  elderly couples that have divorce so that one can get the Medicare and treatment that one of them desperately needs.

    My family went on food stamps shortly after Obama took office, but it was Dubya’s economics policies that put us on social services, and Obama’s rescue of the automakers that got my wife rehired.

  • bcheck

    I like that On Point is finally accurately describing the leftward slant that Tom has taken in the past few years. I propose that Friday’s show becomes “The Democratic Take on the Week in the News.”   

    • Ray in VT

      Oh please.  Last Monday On Point had GOP operatives talking up Republican issues.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        The show is much better when both sides are represented.  Many times it is 3 to 1; left to right.

        • Ray in VT

          I agree that balance is good for debate, but I would disagree with your ratio.  I tend to think that the show generally does a good job of representing the various valid sides.

          • Modavations

            George Will can easily take on 3 Libs.and he’s got half his brain tied behind his back

          • Ray in VT

            Just like you?

          • nj

            It’s a higher percentage for Moda-troll.

          • Modavations

            And your intellectual point is?

          • Anonymous

            That would depend on who are those three liberals. If you pull up a recent episode of This Week with Christiane Amanpour in which the entire show was nothing but a debate between her four panelists, you’d find Will as well as Pau Ryan get their lunches handed to them on a recycled platter by Barney Frank alone. Robert Reich wasn’t even needed to ride shotgun. And we’re talking about genuine debates on issues and not strawmen-ing or Rush-ing through critical issues.

          • TFRX

            Moda’s idea of a “liberal” might just be “someone who gets on a major Sunday talk show”.

            That’s what I call tunnel vision.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            I find that people view bias through their own lens.  I’m sure I filter out views that I agree with  but the differing views get magnified.
              It is clear to me, through my own filter, this show is mostly left biased but I still enjoy it.  I agree that they do try to offer balance and that makes for a good show.

          • Ray in VT

            I know that I have a bias towards the left, which is where I fall, and I didn’t listen with great attention today because the sort of single-sided approach doesn’t appeal to me much.  I do the same, most of the time, when the panel is exclusively right-leaning.  Do you mean this particular episode or the show as a whole?

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            I agree with your assessment.  I was referring to the show in general.  I’ve heard Shrum and Katrina so many times before that I mostly tuned them out today too.

          • Modavations

            Dude,that you have to mention the fact is humorous

          • Ray in VT

            I know that it’s pretty obvious, but that’s just the way that I speak, even online.  Would you also be willing to acknowledge your obvious biases?

          • Modavations

            I never hid from amything.I’m laissez faire.My hope is that I can make everyone affluent so you’ll buy my prodiuct.Adam Smith’s invisible hand,will handle the reat

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Another example of B.C. education?

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t hide anything either.  I just try to put my opinions out there in a thoughtful way.

          • nj

            What passes for “left” on On Point is mostly weak, tepid, centrist…

            That anyone considers Obama a “leftist,” never mind a “socialist” shows how skewed, distorted, and narrow the political discussion has become.

            When people invoke that, or today’s panel as representing the “left,” they are simply displaying either their bias or ignorance.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Yup, The Nation is up there with the National Journal and other centrist magazines.

          • Modavations

            I’ve been reading the Nation for 15-20years..I consider it comedy

          • Ray in VT

            I prefer farce.  That’s why I watch Fox News.

          • nj

            Moda-troll makes another “intellectual point.”
             

          • nj

            Vandenheval is pure Obama apologist. What’s your point?

          • bcheck

            How can you not agree with the 3:1 ratio with regards to the Friday forum? Every week the forum has either 1 or 0 conservatives.  At the same time, it has at least two liberals (Tom and Beatty), and usually one or two more for good measure. Can you think of any time when there was two conservatives on the show?

            I say this because without an opposing presence the show lacks any intellectual depth.  Rather it is simply an echo chamber between the hosts, and between the hosts and the callers.  In its ideological slant, it resembles Hannity’s Heroes, or whatever it is he calls his forum. 

          • Ray in VT

            I actually rarely hear the Friday show, because I used to always be working in the barn then, so I can’t really speak to it’s makeup.  I was more broadly generalizing about the show as a whole.

        • Anonymous

          The true ratio, from my perspective, is about the same as it is in Congress, about 10 to 1 skewed toward right-wing/monied interests.  This show rarely features a true progressive populist point of view. 

      • bcheck

        The Friday Forum only includes an honest Conservative every third week or so. 

        • Ray in VT

          How do you define an honest conservative, though?  I disagree often with David Frum, but I think that he’s rational.  There are some pretty irrational views out there on the right, and they get a lot of press.  I, for one, am happy to not see lunatics invited to what tries to be a decent debate.

        • Anonymous

          Name 3 from which it can choose.

        • TFRX

          Every time it sounds like some righty who’s taken deep diving lessons and spins Luntzian points until they’re interrupted or run out of breath.

          There’s no such thing as a real conversation. Listeners get one failed audition after another for the “honest conservative” slot.

          On Point might do better to cast its net outside the usual suspects of Beltway Insiders.

    • Anonymous

      Most of the coverage of the Republican primaries has had Republican guests which makes sense as they are their primaries.  This show is what the Democrats think about how the race is going and how it will be in November.  Stop looking for left wing bias in everything when it isn’t there.  They usually have a guest from the right on Fridays. 

      • Modavations

        It should be every friggin day.The right pays NPR’s freight too.In fact,there should be a Rep.host!!!

        • Chris

          You pay. Please it’s like 3 cents from your taxes.

          I pay 3 cents and I demand……

          Stop listening if it gives you high blood pressure.

          • Modavations

            You wanna see a real tantrum.Take the 3 cents away from NPR.

          • Anonymous

            I’m all for this actually and I’d be more than willing to donate another $20 to both ‘GBH and ‘BUR on top of what I already give to make up the difference if it means shutting up people like you and your incessant whines that’s lasted the better part of two decades. The high pitched whines and congressional hearings that wasted tax dollars on which Teletubby promoted homosexuality was somewhat entertaining in its stupidity while it lasted but the same campaign has gotten really old and way past the point of accidental comedy.

          • TFRX

            Moda sounds thisclose to the kinda guy who mouth off when stop by traffic cops, “Don’t you know I pay your salary?”

        • John in Amherst

          I pay for a lot of right wing mouthing off by having to purchase goods and services that are sold only by GOP-leaning and -funding corporations.  The amount I pay is hidden in pricing schemes that are a lot less transparent than the budget at NPR, which is funded not just by taxes but by listener contributions, who contribute because NPR helps to balance the incredible right-wing slant of not just FOX and the vast bulk of Talk Radio, but by most of the major broadcasters.  

          • Anonymous

            It’s because they’re still seething about this guy:

            http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2012/01/The-Story-of-Juan

          • Modavations

            I’ve always loved your band, Wotan Clan

          • nj

            When the Moda-troll thinks he’s come up with something especially clever, he repeats it over and over.

            His delusion about his imagined wit can be measured by the number of times he repeats it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    On the “class warfare” thing – the 1% is making money faster than they ever have, the rest are barely holding on or falling back.

    There is “class warfare” – and the 99% is losing.

    • notafeminista

      Everybody makes choices.

    • TomK in Boston

      Real class warfare = reagan voodoo economics.

      TeaOP definition of class warfare is noticing that class warfare is happening.

      Stupid Dems can’t even get this point across.

  • Hidan

    LOL,

    Jerry seems to be the rightwing republican weekly caller. Socialism,Communism oh my.

  • Chris

    Young woman please learn now

    BOTH THE RED AND THE BLUE PARTY WORK FOR THE CRIMINAL ELITE, NOT YOU AND I.

  • Terry from Franklin

    The Democrats will have to come up someone really bad for me to vote for Newty, Santorum of Ron Paul.  I mean some historical psychopath like Stalin.  I will not vote for Romney against Obama.

  • Terry from Franklin

    @bdcheck:disqus  The Democrats need some equal time.  The right has too much captive media, like FOX news and right wing talk radio.

    • notafeminista

      You might well be correct.   I note you only list one network news source on television.  Where do you categorize ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC,CNN,CNBC and so on? 

      • Modavations

        The 3 biggies had as the Sunday hosts Stephanopulos(?),Russet,Comrad Chris.Not only are they Dems,they all worked for Dem.Pols.

        • notafeminista

          Hm.  Interesting.

        • Gregg

          Stephanopolis was Clinton’s Rove. Would Dems accept Rove as host? I still call it “This Week needs David Brinkley”.

    • nj

      See, look what Terry does here.

      The Democrats need more time because “the right” has too much “captive media.”

      Thus, we can fairly assume that Terry thinks that the current crop of Dems represent “the left.”

      Seriously?

  • nj

    Good grief! Week after week, month after month, On Point continues to fail to serve listeners well on domestic political matters by consistently stacking nearly every panel so that it skews right or center right.

    Today, we have “big Democratic party thinkers” which apparently means DNC operatives and apologists like vanden Heuvel. There she is, for example, invoking the role of runaway lobbyists, while failing to mention that Obama has stacked his administration top to bottom with corporate lobbyists breaking his campaign promise to not hire them.

    Where’s the left end of the Democrats, or the critics even further left of that? When do they ever get a voice on this program? Is today’s panel meant to be taken to speak for all Democrats?

    When does the rest of the party, or opinion even further left ever get an airing? During the debt ceiling debate, the People’s Budget from the Democratic Progressive Caucus never even got mentioned on this program! When one caller brought it up, Mr. A. said he had never even heard of it!

    This constant, narrow framing of the range of political opinion and philosophy gives the impression that the spectrum begins and ends with the corporate Dems on the left and the “free-market,” social conservative, race-bating Cons on the right.

    Thank goodness Bill Moyers is back on PBS. He’s just about the only journalist who consistently offers, non-partisan, honest, aggressive criticism and analysis of the dystopian, FUBAR state of the current U.S. political body.

    • ChrisH

      I love the brainwashed Righties who think people like these guest are for the Left.

      So what if they are. The Right pundits and the Left pundits all work for the criminal elite.

    • Modavations

      Bill Moyers job for LBJ was outing gays

      • Chris

        I guess just like Newt he found god and changed his ways.

        • Modavations

          keep spinning son

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Back then, that was EVERYBODY’S job, according to the FBI, and MOST government at the time!

        • Modavations

          No intiendo senor

      • nj

        And i’m sure you were a bigoted, hateful person in your 20s and 30s compared to the thoughtful, rational, insightful person you are now.

        What do you find objectionable about Moyers’ work in the last 30 years?

        • Modavations

          The name in my passport is Frederick Douglas Manning 

          • nj

            What was it about “What do you find objectionable about Moyers’ work in the last 30 years?” that you didn’t understand?

            Instead of answering, you made yet another of your “intellectual points.”

            And you wonder why people call you a troll.

      • nj

        Moda-troll makes an “intellectual point.”

        • Modavations

          And the import of this retort was what?

          • nj

            You’re a bright guy. You went to BC. You’ll figure it out. Or ask one of your pals, or maybe your guppy. Be sure to tie a hand behind you back. I understand that’s helpful.

          • Gregg

            It’s not the “hand”, it’s the “brain” for fundamental fairness.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            According to his own words, Moda’s “brain” was tied behind his back, years ago!

          • Gregg

            Only half.

      • JayB

        More reason for you to respect him, eh?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Moda, commenting many times about getting ‘limp-wristed’ about several guys, including Barney Frank, and telling everyone that he is a ‘laisee-faire’ type, worries about someone outing gays?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Darn!  I mis-spelled lazy fairy!  According to Moda, it’s saissez-faire. 
               I admit that it’s not normally in my lexicon.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            ‘laissez-faire’ 
              My apologies for the ‘s’ in the place of the ‘l’.

  • Anonymous

    Speaking as someone from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party, two of your panelists have a proven record of being well versed on trees, and totally ignorant of forests.  And am I the only one who, listening to Obama’s comments that led off the show, doesn’t think he really, truly, believes anything he said.  Here’s an idea about how to win an election as an advocate of the middle class:  Fight to govern in its interest rather than against it, only to pander to it at election time. 

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    I wish they had asked their panelists if they considered Debbie Wasserman Schultz a good spokesperson for the Democrat party.

    She is getting a lot of face time during the GOP primary season.  IMHO every time she opens her mouth she loses votes for the Democrats.  Maybe it’s just me?

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Are you a member of the Democratic Party?

      Neil

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Why does that matter?  I’m not affiliated with ANY party.

        • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

          I just wondered because you seem concerned about them losing votes, that’s all. 

          I’m independent, as well — we have that in common.

          Neil

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Her primary job is to sway mostly independent voter, to her cause.  My question to the Democrat experts: do they think she is an effective spokesperson?

        It isn’t very complicated.

  • rose

    The young voter spoke of issues important to her–health care, pro-choice rights, and jobs.  She is thankful to still belong to her parent’s health care, which would have been taken away from her had it not been for the new health care law.  Women still have a right to choose.  Job recovery is on the rise. Still, she is displeased with Obama.  Why?  We need to be realistic with what happened to the economy before Obama’s presidency– it was a huge disaster that luckily has averted a second great depression.  With congress as it is, we are lucky that this administration is able to keep a recovery going.  Just think what might have happened if we were allowed to default!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wes-Nickerson/100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

     Let’s put America back to work, by supporting the Green New Deal. To find out about it tune in Wednesday at 8:30 pm EST to hear the People’s State of the Union, presented by Jill Stein, Green Party candidate for President of the United States, broadcast live video-streamed on her website.

    http://www.jillstein.org/

    • nj

      At this point, Stein and Rocky Anderson are the only two people i’d consider voting for in November.

    • Gregg

      There have been few failures as dramatically spectacular as the green jobs fiasco. They are destroying millions of dollars worth of panels at Solyndra. Volts are spontaneously combusting, it’s a good thing no one is buying them. Why would the Green Party be better?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Tesla battery fires?
            Sharp Corp.  Solar Panel Scandal?

        • Gregg

          Not sure I understand your question or point.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You haven’t heard of those ‘failures’, because they are sucesses?
               Several conventional gas and diesel vehicles have had problems, and they were NOT new technology when the problems manifest!

          • Gregg

            We’ve got “solar panel scandals” out the wazoo.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Specific number of scandals that you have out your wazoo?
               Moda counts less than ten, as zillions!
               You blew your credibility months ago!

  • Greyman

    Obama has nine more months of incumbency to look forward to. The Solyndra investigations have not run their course yet (but already, Obama’s willingness to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in order to eliminate hundreds of jobs will merit some repetitive explanations). The Supremes may yet eviscerate Obamacare (and if they do, Obama will have one less leg to stand on). The Iranians may yet provoke as much mischief for Obama as they did for Carter in 1980. (Hardly any mention of foreign policy intrigues in today’s show: the Pakistanis might even prove more provocative than the Iranians.) No one today spoke confidently of US unemployment dropping below 8% by November. No one on today’s show said one word directly about the unsustainable rate(s) of Federal spending that Obama has done next to nothing to curb (Obama empanelled the Simpson-Bowles commission and has been walking away from their conclusions ever since). Id est: Obama is no strong Democratic candidate in January 2012 and, no matter who the Republican candidate turns out to be, may well be yet weaker by the time Election Day arrives. Having out-Clintoned Clinton in getting Obamacare through Congress, Obama may yet out-Carter Carter in showing himself to be inept the very year he has to run for re-election.

    • Gregg

      Tomorrow it will be 1000 days since the last time the Senate passed a full budget. Seems like a show to me, ya’ think?

      • Greyman

        Likewise: when was the last time (how many decades and how many wars ago?) that Congress exercised its Constitutional power to declare war? What President since 1945 has demanded that Congress exercise its Constitutional authority to declare war? Congress has abdicated time and time again, deferring (unconstitutionally) to Presidents and Presidents have usurped (unconstitutionally) Congressional powers; and the Federal government has taken on any number of extra-constitutional “competencies” that the Constitution plainly has assigned to the states (insofar as they are not explicitly assigned to the Federal state–education policy is high on my list here). I continue to fail to see why Americans fail to see that we face a Constitutional crisis, even when our patriotic media heroes refuse to consider our manifest political problems in these terms.   

        • Gregg

          Great points. The Declaration of war thing is tricky as the Constitution doesn’t use the phrase. It just gives power to the congress to declare war without specifying how. I can see how congressional authorization (i.e. Iraq and others) could be interpreted to satisfy the Constitution. Libya, not so much.

          “I continue to fail to see why Americans fail to see …” That’s the line of the day. Seriously though, I agree with you about the Constitutional crisis. As bad as the Executive and Legislative branches have been, the real action is in the Judiciary.

    • JayB

      Spin faster, dude!  You may lift off yet!

  • Modavations

    Newt is ahead in Fl.by 9 pts.

    • Gregg

      I’ve got people in Florida, I’m going to have to make some calls. It will be one of five, that’s it. I hate the phrase “lessor of two evils” I prefer to think of it as who is best. None of the 5 agree with me 100% on 100% of the issues. They all have flaws.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        If they all have flaws, you get the lessor of  evils, don’t you?

        • Gregg

          Evil is a flaw but flaws are not evil. Concentrate.

        • Modavations

          lesser

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I used Gregg’s spelling, right above!

  • Modavations

    It’s stalkiing -name calling time of day,so adious.Play nicely.

  • Mattyster

    Obama’s presidency has been under constant attack since before he even took office.  The attacks have little or no relation to anything he actually does – Republicans just make things up.  In 45 years of voting I have never seen anything like this.  It’s a miracle that he is able to govern at all.

  • Anonymous

    I can understand the problems of laryngitis, but fumbling rhetoric isn’t going to get it in this campaign.  Obama needs both a voice coach (please get over the drop-offs at the end of each statement), and his rhetoric needs a major facelift if he is going to win points over Gingrich in debates.  Obama will need every point he can get.  BTW.  Your guests are putting me to sleep.

  • Brett

    Tonight’s debate in Tampa is sponsored by CNN and The Tea Party Express®. I see Wolfe Blitzer is moderator. I wonder if Wolfie will step in it the way Williams and King did? I’ll bet he will! Newt will most assuredly pull his angry, shoot from the hip routine; it’s working for him, after all. Neither Williams nor King could go toe-to-toe with Newt when he’s in that mode; for that matter, the Blitzermeister couldn’t hold a candle either. 

    What’s it going to be for Newt tonight? The liberal mainstream media protects Obama, creating volatile social unrest among the People? If elected to a second term Obama will be even MORE RADICAL than in his first? Obama will complete his mission to destroy America with his Kenya, anti-Colonial world view if Newt isn’t picked to stop him? All who say Newt is a Washington insider are liars? Predictions on which characterization Newt will get his zinger/standing ovation moment? 

    I’ve never been to Florida; in fact, I’ve even made concerted efforts to avoid it, so I don’t know how Willard, Newt, Paul, or Santorum will play. The audience’s responses will be a gauge….I’m sure Fox has offered to lend Newt Frank Luntz for the evening, but he really doesn’t need Luntz.  

    • Gregg

      It was Obama’s father who was the anti-colonial Kenyan, not him. Newt most certainly is an insider and I’m not lying, people don’t care. We’re seeing what happens when you elect a rookie.

      As long as Wolf behaves, he’ll be fine.

      • Brett

        You’d think that the aforementioned moderators would have enough media savvy not to engage in a potential verbal joust with Newt; they paint themselves into a corner every time. They can’t really retort back or inject themselves into the debate to that extent. From Newt’s perspective, it’s a bit like someone acting tough and threatening to beat up somebody else only when the other person has been restrained. I’d say it’s cowardly, but all’s fair, apparently, in love, war and political debates. ;-)

        • Gregg

          I’ll be watching.

    • Hidan

      Amazing how many of the policies obama has enacted are similar to that of a moderate republican and how these policies are painted to be leftist and extreme. Memory serves me Newt called for everyone being forced to buy health care.

      And now the big bad word in the republican party is  “Moderate”

      • Brett

        If Newt hadn’t reserved the word “radical” for Obama, you might have heard him use it in reference to Romney…the term “Massachusetts Moderate” conjures all kinds of ideas: a Yankee elite, a Kennedy socialist in Republican clothes, and so on….Newt has honed that sort of name-calling to an art form.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      I notice you are using Al Sharpton’s name for Romney.

      You keep good company.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Isn’t Willard, Mitt’s first name?
           Brett could be radical like those that called and call President Obama, “Osama”?

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          I never like when people used Hussein to describe the President.  It is obvious what they are doing and it is disrespectful.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I use ‘W’ to identify the son, and H.W. to identify the father, because they can be both called George, or Bush.
               I seem to remember ‘W’ using the w, before the scandalous White House turn-over.

      • Brett

        Well, he’s no Rev. Wright! (Just kidding!) No, Willard is Mitt’s first name, and it fits him. He has a coldness that prevents him from connecting with people.

        • notafeminista

          I disagree.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          You might think douchebag fits him but it doesn’t mean it isn’t disrespectful.

          • Mfcarr

            Oh please.  Politics is a rough sport.  If he can’t take being called Willard (which is part of his legal name), perhaps he wouldn’t be well-suited to the office of President

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Mitt probably doesn’t care.  I think it is unseemly.  Sorry.

            We could call Newton, Leroy but he doesn’t go by Leroy.  I respect that.

          • Mfcarr

            How lucky we all are to have someone so vigilant to police our political etiquette

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      I think tonight’s debate is NBC with Brian Williams.  Maybe Chris Matthews?

      Thursday is another CNN debate.

      • Brett

        Thanks, maybe I was looking at the wrong day.

  • Brett

    Newt’s a goat and Romney is a pig…I’m not sure what their Chinese astrological signs are, though? … ;-)

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      LOL.
      Wrong thread.

      • Brett

        I’m not so sure that using Chinese astrology to determine the next GOP nominee is too far off topic, really… ;-)

        • Anonymous

          They were smart enough to not have a year of the Newt.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      They got it wrong.

      Newt is a rooster.

  • Kevin

    In all seriousness, I already know what Democrats think of the 2012 GOP race. On Point provides that information every Friday during the “weekly roundtable.” Between the three guests and the usual 12-15 anti-Republican callers who are put on the air, I become well-versed regarding what liberals think of Republicans.

    • Brett

      Off topic! This show is about the “DEMOCRATIC TAKE ON 2012″! We get the Republican “take” on this forum everyday and already know what they think about Democrats ;-)

      • Modavations

        Lighten up.

        • Brett

          Ah…joking, my friend…you sound paranoid since last we spoke, no? (Notice the smiley, deally, thingy…)  

          • Modavations

            TTB.Time to Burn 

          • Modavations

            Brother B.I haven’t even figured out what the F1,F2,F3 keys are for.I’m afraid to even look at all the keys to the right of the “Backspace”key.Your sign language  is  hieroglyphics(?) to me.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Guppy can explain it to you?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Thanks for staying with us, even though I rarely see a comment from you!

  • TomK in Boston

    The timid Dems have got to start calling the TeaOP out on their class warfare. For example Boehner said on Fox “The idea here is that we’ve got to make changes to Medicare. Otherwise, it will not be there for seniors who count on it. So we will do a serious budget.”. 

    Can we please cut through the smoke here? He is saying “We had to destroy the village in order to save it”. He wants to make sure medicare will “be there” by turning it into a groupon that won’t pay the cost of health care. It may “be there”, but it won’t be medicare. That is what TeaOP code means by “serious”, taking something away from the middle class so taxes can remain low on their paymasters.

    The Dems could destroy this nonsense if they would come out and blast it for the class warfare that it is. Instead they go “Yes, the debt (from the bush wars, tax cuts, and crash caused by the deregulation of the financial predators) is oh so serious, we know we have to “reform” (righty code for redistribution of wealth to the top) SS and medicare, but we’ll cut less than they will so vote for us. They make me sick.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe one of the laissez faire preachers we see on this site could point out where someone over age 65 would be able to spend their vouchers to purchase health insurance.  My health insurance sales friends tell me there is no insurance company selling such a product. 

    • notafeminista

      The Dems are anything but timid and they cannot call Republicans out on class warfare when they themselves are participating, fomenting and encouraging it right now.

      Look at the comments on this board.  Even feettothefire who rarely lists even a whisper right of center noticed it.  It ain’t the Republicans engaging in the class warfare.

  • Snyeric

    When I look at the Republican field I see religious fundamentalists being gulled by savage capitalists to vote against their own interests.  Fundamentalist and Evangelical America see the nation becoming a progressive secular society, and it scares them to death.  Starting with Reagan, the GOP has become the party of these true believers, and true believers are natural stooges.  They are easily persuaded with fear-mongering and pandering by the propagandists of the wealth class to perpetuate the status quo of crony capitalism.

    • Will H

      So true!  Don’t forget those freedom and constitutional fundamentalists.  Even as they cry for the government to get out to the way, their freedom and rights in jobs, earning power, and health care are being stolen from them by coporations and the 1%.  In the end, all they may have left are prayers to believe in and guns to protect themselves.  Be careful what you wish for.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Moda,  A Canadian journalist just admitted that one Canadian Oil Pipeline Company has a history of over 800 leaks, totalling over 200,000 Barrels of oil spilled. 
        TransCanada has a bad record, too!

    • Modavations

      Thank you for not stalking me.The state dept and Epa studied it for three years and gave their blessings,plus signed the paperwork.There are already pipelines going right through the area.The Giai Cultists said to Obama,if this goes through ,our largesse is “no mas”.20,000 jobs were just lost.Those jobs would be the high pay types.

      • Brett

        My peeps tell me that independent studies show the number of jobs to be closer to 4,000-6,000, and of course those would be temporary. But, hey, you seem to be on a roll. 

        • Modavations

          I’ll take em

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Sure!  Let me guess?  You will operate a backhoe, dozer, grader, weld pipe, tie steel, rig electric lines, pour concrete, or WHAT?

  • Gregg

    Gotta love Allen West. I’m thinking veep.

    “What is really appalling and disgusting and despicable is that you have people such as, unfortunately, my colleague, Mr. Clyburn, and the charlatan Al Sharpton who all of a sudden now want to create a schism and try to hide away from the fact that the unemployment rate in the African-American community is 15.8 percent,” the freshman congressman said in an interview Monday on The Washington Times-affiliated “America’s Morning News” radio program.
    “This has nothing to do with race,” Mr. West said. “This is about them trying to spin it. But this president is failing all Americans.”Mr. West, a former lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army who served in Iraq, also appeared Monday morning on “Fox and Friends” to defendMr. Gingrich.“There is no ‘race code.’ It’s a fact. Since President Obama has been in the Oval Office, you’ve seen a 41 percent increase in food-stamp recipients in the United States of America. We have a president that is making more Americans victims than victors,” he said.

    • Anonymous

      Is that because under Obama, people’s taxes have never been lower?  Or maybe it’s because during his administration our military spending has been dramatically increased.  To what policies do you attribute this condition?

      • Modavations

        dEFENSE WAS 50% OF THE bUDGET UNDER kENNEDY.iT’S 20%ISH TODAY.iT’S BEEN GOING DOWN,DOWN,DOWN AND i SAY CUT IT SOME MORE.THE WHOLE GOVT IS WASTE AND GRAFT UP THE WAZOO.tHE GUYS WHO RUN THE wELFARE pROGRAMS IN mA.ARE GETTING LUGGED FOR EMBEZZLEMENT

        • Anonymous

          Do you have an actual response to my question or do you just post things randomly?  I will repeat it:  What policies of the Obama administration have contributed to the rise in African American unemployment and need for food stamps?

          • Modavations

            Rescinded the D.C Voucher program as his very first act as President(?).Joe Lieberman had a commitee checking the program and said Mr.President the program works.Di.Fi piped in(I’m paraphrasing)”Mr.Pres.,what the fu-k

          • Anonymous

            So, without getting into the effectiveness of the D.C Scholarship program, you’re suggesting that a local program that affects less than 10K K-12 D.C. school children is at the heart of the unemployment/welfare surge for Blacks as alluded to by West? And this makes sense to you why?

          • Modavations

            Excuses,excuses, endless excuses.To quote Herr Carville.It’s the School vouchers,stupid.I always loved your music.

          • Wotan_617

            .3 on the troll-o-meter. 

          • Anonymous

            No, that’s the right-wing alternate fantasy universe (read: WRONG) explanation.  The truth is that financial sector manipulation and fraud  destroyed more than $8 trillion in middle class assets and decimated the construction industry and those economic sectors that provided many of the jobs those now eligible for food stamps held.  I used to think you were kind of intelligent, and trying, but failing, to be cute.  Now I realize it’s just cover your inability to comprehend reality.

          • Modavations

            You threw me the soft ball.You empty your clip,throw your pistola at me then call me infantile names.Tell the class where my retort is invalid

      • Gregg

        Whose taxes are you talking about? The poor’s? I guess that may be true but the rich’s taxes have certainly been lower.

        • Anonymous

          When? Certainly not during the glorious days of the Bush administration, to which the comparison is being made.

          • Gregg

            Top rate was 28% under Reagan it’s 35% now.

          • Anonymous

            So what did Obama do that caused this rise in African American unemployment?  Isn’t that your point? 

          • Gregg

            His policies (regulation, deficit spending, Obamacare, printing money) have hurt ALL Americans.

          • Anonymous

            Wouldn’t it have been easier and more truthful to just say “I don’t know.  I just thought this stupid statement from a stupid Congressman was cool.”

          • Gregg

            Do you think Obamacare, onerous regulations, deficit spending and printing money has been good for blacks?

  • Andy from Chicago

    considered a legitimate option? Constantly Paul
    is shrugged off or laughed at.

     

    If we look at facts, he is a multi-term
    congressman with a consistent voting record. He has simple ideas that must
    hold some water, especially since TIME magazine has referred to Paul as
    “The Prophet” in their September issue. If he gave a clear picture to
    what would happen 4 years ago, how is he off the mark now?

     

    We tried the general republican candidate and got
    Bush. I voted for Obama to avoid (what seems to me) more republican imperialism
    (both domestically and abroad).

     

    Because both sides consider the word
    “compromise” to be a naughty word I have lost faith in democrats or
    republicans.

     

    Paul seems to honestly want to change the status
    quo and push actual policy change for the country. Change that I feel we may
    need. From what I can see there is no other candidate on either side that
    actually wants something different.

    • Anonymous

      Ron Paul is willing to compromise?

  • Andy from Chicago

    …This is my second attempt at a post, so I apologize if you reread these ideas…

    Why is Ron Paul not a real political option?

    How is a multi-tem Congressman with a consistent voting record laughed at or shrugged off? This is a man that TIME magazine referred to as “The Prophet” for his ideas in 2008. So, again where does that equate to crazy, or not electable.

    After the Bush years, I voted for Obama for my first chance to participate in our country’s democracy. I wanted change, and hope. I was left short changed, and hopeless.

    In looking to this years election I have observed that both parties consider the term “compromise” to be a dirty word. This is a little sad coming from adults that should operate at a higher moral standard to run a country.

    From what I can see the both democrats and republicans are nothing more than children that spend their citizens’ hard earned cash.

    So, from what I see (and I may be in need of a political education) Paul is the only candidate that isn’t just attempting to maintain the status quo of children. He seems to whole heartedly want real change.

    • Roy Mac

      Would you just shut up about Paul?  The Libertarian thrum has nothing to do with anything; they are all about doing nothing, and that only works as long as they are in a small minority.  A majority Libertarian government would be one that says, “Well, we won.  We’re going home now–good luck.”  That’s idiocy in a civilized world.

      All those who think Paul is a good idea–all 10 million of you–go ahead and waste your votes.  But for cryin’ out loud, stop trolling on serious discussions.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Free Speech?
           Is Ron Paul less of a serious discussion than a serial cheat, that is the darling candidate of the ‘religious right’?
           If so, please tell me how?

      • GoodDog

        If we tried rule of law, the courts would be pretty busy, and if legislators were more concerned about legislating a simple, transparent, equally applied legal code that sets the boundaries of harming other liberties, instead of pandering to either communistic or war-mongering party faithful, they’d have plenty to do. If they finish that and go home early…. all power to them!

        The 3rd grade knee jerking against “libertarian” is getting so old.

        • Anonymous

          Calling the Democrats “communistic” isn’t a “3rd grade knee jerking” reaction? 

    • nj

      The answer is simple. Blatant racist, doesn’t believe in evolution, not sure that climate change in being caused by human activity, Libertarian “free marketeerism” won’t work.

      He’s right on some specific issues—foreign adventurism/meddlling, military occupation, etc., but as a package, he’s fatally flawed.

      Check out Rocky Anderson as a viable alternative to Demopublican corporatism.

  • Modavations

    I’m listening tO H.Carr’s show.ListenING to Limosine LibeRALS ALL DAY,GIVES ME INGIGESTION AND HE SAYS THE DEBATE IS ON nbc

    • Anonymous

      If one is to use words such as intellectual in a sentence, one should learn to spell indigestion.

    • nj

      MOdavaTIONs.Makes YEtt anOTHer inTELllectual, PoINt

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Moda, the guppy spells better!  Let guppy post comments?

  • Mfcarr

    The caller from TN is a MO-RON.  In the aftermath of the 2008 mortgage meltdown during which banks got bailed out with sweetheart no-strings-attached deals while ordinary citizens with underwater mortgages were left to drown, is it really so radical (or Alger Hiss-like, to use the caller’s ridiculously melodramatic and inaccurate analogy) to bring up the notion of fairness in this country?  Given what happened to the country in 2008 and 2009, is it so radical to wonder if the game is rigged in corporations and moneyed interests favor?

    I don’t see how Republicans can argue this with a straight face.  It just goes to show how much political conversation has been skewed to the right in the last 10 years.  Ideas like ObamaCare, which was based both on Romney Care and on a proposal that Bob Dole and the Republicans put forth in the 90′s, is now “radical”?  Why is an idea proposed by Bob Dole and Republicans in the 90′s now considered radical Saul Alinsky-influenced socialism? 

    Another question for Republicans: given what happened on Wall Street in 2008, how can you suggest with a straight face that we need less regulation?  Is that your takeaway from the Mortgage Meltdown, that the problem was that Wall Street was weighed down by too many regulations?  Really?  My take-away is exactly the opposite.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      There is a movement against federal government overreach and respecting the constitutional protection of freedoms.  This has led to a push toward a strengthening of states rights.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Many are in favor of smart regulation.  Repeal of Glass-Steagall under Clinton (with support from the ilk of Phil Graham) directly created the risk of too big to fail and was a disaster.

       The Glass-Steagall Act of 1932 was 37 pages and kept us in good stead until 1999.  The  Dodd-Frank and any 2000+ page regulation should never be passed.

      • Roy Mac

        The Dodd-Frank Act was an attempt to make amends for the Phil Gramm repeal of Glass-Steagall.  Don’t blame the Dems for that.

        • Greyman

          No, don’t blame Dems who voted for the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and don’t blame Clinton Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin, who pushed for repeal all through Clinton’s second term.

          • Roy Mac

            There’s a point?

          • Greyman

            Staring you in the face: why give Dems “credit” for Dodd-Frank when Dems were instrumental in the repeal of Glass-Steagall themselves? Phil Gramm hardly repealed G-S all by his lonesome nor did he do it without lots of pushing from Clinton’s Treasury Secretary.

    • TomK in Boston

      It is a mystery, Mfcarr, how we hear about nothing but the cost of regulation as we struggle through the disaster caused by deregulation. I think the cost of the DEregulation in the “commodities futures modernization act”, saying that credit default swaps would not be regulated, was extremely high.

      And it a mystery how anyone can fall for the TeaOP smoke that mentioning the raging class warfare is class warfare.

      Actually, the whole agenda of far right Reagan voodoo economics is class warfare. It’s designed to transfer wealth to the top from the middle class. The trickle down stuff is smoke to fool the voters. There is no trickle down.

      Don’t believe me? We’ve been practicing voodoo econ for 30 years now. Taxes bad, gvt bad, regulation bad. There’s no need for theory, the results are in. How’s the middle class doing? How’s the aristocracy doing? Case closed.

      Tax cuts at the top and deregulation of predatory corporations is class warfare!

      The tax plan of every TeaOP candidate is class warfare!

      Turning medicare into a ryan groupon is class warfare!

      Cutting SS is class warfare!

      Union busting is class warfare!

      Cutting public education is class warfare!

      Saying “OMG, this class war is killing us” is NOT class warfare. Where is a politician who can express the truth?  Well, there’s Bernie Sanders, Eliz Warren and a few others….O’Busha is not on the list.

      • Greyman

        Alternatively, public education itself is a weapon of class warfare. It’s helped keep a city like Chicago segregated for decades, just as it’s given Ivy League schools something to “improve” and tinker with for decades. (But our Ivy Leaguers have to expend their genius somewhere . . . .)

        • TomK in Boston

          Makes no sense to me, greyman. Schools are schools, not one-stop facilities to fix every aspect of those left behind in our emerging oligarchy. Unfortunately, the right loves to bash teachers for being unable to make model citizens out of kids with no parents. It doesn’t help anything, but it fits the script of attacking anything “public”.

          Some great class warfare is the de-funding of our great public universities. We used to have a commitment to nearly free, superb, public higher education. Systems like California, where much of the internet and biotech was developed (with government funding of course) have gone from almost 100% state funding to under 10% in some cases, largely due to tax cuts. The result is that these state unis in name only are raising tuition and recruiting foreign students. This is a great way to attack the middle class. 

          • TFRX

            I wonder why, if teaching is such a cushy gig, why there are so few right-wingers doing it?

            I mean, everywhere we hear that teachers can’t ever get fired, work 180 days a year, are glorified baby-sitters, only do it because they’re no good at anything the real world wants done, and don’t care about the work, no matter how much of their own money they spend on office supplies.

            So why don’t conservatives naturally flock to it in droves to “correct” it? Are all those naysayers so Randian-pure of heart that they can’t take a job that provides so little productive worth yet rewards them with such filithy lucre?

            (And you I trust to tell the truth from right-wing hyperbole in this post.)

          • Greyman

            You almost make my point for me: public schools no longer are simply schools, haven’t been for some time now, they have indeed become the one-stop facility to fix every societal problem that can be heaped upon the institution: nutrition, child-rearing, babysitting, race relations, gender relations, et cetera. Public education in the US has become politicized and sociologized to the point that “education” and “learning” are accidental outcomes. The institution has bred woeful passivity among parents who entrust their children’s education to public schooling without seeing any need to reinforce at home. Accountability for public school performance continues to rage across the country, from cheating scandals foisted by “education professionals” and sexual predation by teachers or staff to curriculum debates and disputes over textbook adoptions. Too many competing expectations have been heaped upon the institution. It’s taken me years and decades to get to this point, but I’m now in favor of abolishing public education outright, first at the Federal level and then let states handle the matter as they choose. 

  • Al Burgess

    A question on Super PACS. If corporations are people, and a corporation has 51% of its shareholders as Chinese nationals. Are these shareholders via the corporation through a super PAC electing our politicians??

    thanks. Great show Tom.

    • Hidan

      Supposedly it’s illegal for an foreign corporation to do such. But since Super Pac are in an sense secret it could be the case.

      This was leveled at the Chamber of Commerce a year or so ago.

    • Gregg

      Only if you let them, you don’t have to.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      The Chinese have the money, corporations, and thanks to senile or corrupt ‘Justices’, they are SUPER-citizens of the U.S.!
          Would they elect our officials?

      • Modavations

        Terence,you were up till midnite yesterday.I took a quick tour and noticed after 10:00PM you went to every post(not just mine)you disagreed with and called that person a name,or made a dispersion.I take it the cocktails had kicked in.I noticed that you managed to post guppy,mercury,lead,B.c.Alumini on at least 15 posts of mine(I’m sure I missed a few).No intellectual riposte,just infantile names..What’s with the name Terry Tree Tree?.Are you an Indian?Is that the name on your passport?.What was the name of the Indian Professor in Colorado,who turned out to be a fake?Do you know what “Laissez Faire”means?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          I just did a quick check, and there are many ‘threads’, in which I made NO comment, much less called anyone a name.
              Since I receive NO income from you, you have NO say over my time-allocation!
             This desire to control someone else’s time, is getting to be another of your obsessions?
             My choice of a screen name, is my choice.   Do you claim to be the determinant of each person’s screen name?
              I don’t have knowledge of the Indian (?) professor in Colorado.  Does that have any pertinence?
              Evidently, you have been busy.  I’m not going to try to schedule your time for you.
             Is EVERY comment you make, an ‘intellectual riposte?  Would everyone on here agree?

          • Modavations

            15 posts alone to me.No comment just,guppy,B.C.idiot,mercury,and on and on and on.Not just me,you’re posts were directed at anyone  who doesn’t jive with you politically.The uptick happened late into the night and I hypothesize cocktails were in play.You are afraid to death that your beliefs are challenged.You even stalked me during the forum on cars.There were no politics.You just couldn’t control yourself.Now what’s up with Terry Tree Tree.Are you saying “look at me I’m an Indian”.Just like the kazillion times you point out,look at me I’m a Volunteer Firemen.Real men don’t call attention to their charity.

  • Rkwood

    Imagine…if there was  Truth in Advertising…what a world this would be!

  • allen

    I am a college student under food stamps. While I definitely appreciate it, I was only eligible for the program under Obama. Prior to Obama there was limit  on savings. That is you were not allowed to have more than $2000 in savings. Obama removed that requirement. You may argue that in the current times it was necessary, but that is an expansion in the food stamp program.

    • Gregg

      Thank you.

    • Anonymous

      Why shouldn’t you spend your savings on your own food?  Especially if you have more than $2,000!

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Rent?  Mortgage?  Property taxes?  Heating/cooling?  Vehicle upkeep?  Fuel?  Transportation? 
           Several other expenses needed to be able to find a job, and be able to get to work?  To training for a job?
           There might be a few excuses?

        • Anonymous

          Being a college student isn’t an emergency situtation like losing a job or becoming ill.  Take out a student loan to cover expenses. 

      • allen

        I am not disagreeing with you. Perhaps I should not be taking food stamps. My point was the opposite. That is that Tom was claiming food stamps were not expanded and it just grew beacuse more people are unemployed. All I am saying is that the porgram was expanded as well. I would have not been entitled to food stamps under Bush. However, under Obama I am entitled. Thus,  the facts are that Gingrich is correct the food stamps were expanded to allow more people in.

  • Harryvalencia

    A blommberg investigation revealed that 60% of people that identify themselves as members of a tea party movemwnt either work or have an inmediate family member that is employed by a local, state or federal government agency. The hypocrasy of these folks is disgusting

    • TFRX

      The same quality which allows that blind spot is the one Newt’s trying to land on with his dogwhistle.

      I offer for your consideration the term “Rascalbagger”. It’s someone who can’t attend a Tea Party event without using their Medicare-provided electric scooter.

  • Gregg

    Another good debate. The inevitable Florida/Cuba question just came up and Romney had a zinger. Newt was good. Paul was wacky. And Santorum brought it, impressive.

    • Ray in VT

      Was there anything new of substance?  The general sentiment that I heard from people was that they were expecting it to be “livelier” than past debates.

      • Gregg

        There’s another hour to go.

        • Ray in VT

          So it’s still a work in progress, huh?  Well, enjoy.

  • Loren in Centralia, WA

    Tom Ashbrook, you bend over backwards, too far backwards at times in attempting to play devil’s advocate, or allowing that all points are equally valid. You allow a Republican-leaning small business owner to blindly assert that, “There are plenty of jobs out there,” you even halfway agree with him; while I see news report after news report stating there are currently about four applicants for every job opening. I realize you have to work fast and think as you go; but surely even what you see of ongoing hardships in the American economy should lead you to better challenge such blatantly blithe and propagandistic conservative assertions.

    Also, why don’t you take on current Republican conventional wisdom about how “bad” life is in “socialist” Europe, and have a real European on, perhaps a Norwegian or Swedish scholar or policy representative, to counter all-too-common misperceptions about life and governments in European nations? Norway’s careful management of its offshore oil resources is hailed as a world-leading model, and TIME Magazine’s online Moneyland web section even reported on January 5, 2012 that there is more upward mobility in European nations now than there is in the USA. So there are definitely things America should be learning from Europe, and you would be doing a great public service by examining the reasons for that on your show.

    • Gregg

      You and Newt are on the same page regarding Norway.

      http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26931

    • Modavations

      Like how to party.You can walk around all the cities of Europe with a beer in your hand.America is becoming a Police State.Remember that ancient artifact called the ash tray?They still have them in Europe

  • Fredlinskip

    They’re all a bunch of goofballs!

    (Just wanted to get at least one comment of my Dem take on 2012 race)

  • GoodDog

    Making the Case: Effectively Advocating an Old Idea in Modern Times
    http://www.independent.org/students/essay/essay.asp?id=2866

  • Brett

    IMO, Romney won the debate last night. 

    • Gregg

      I can’t argue with that. Santorum had a good night too. All in all there weren’t many notable moments.

    • Modavations

      I watched Antique Road show.Nothing gets in the way of me and Antiques Road Show

      • Brett

        Most Mondays, I, too, surf among Antiques Road Show, American Pawn Stars and American Pickers (I’d bet, if I had it, Mitt Romney money that you have a good eye for antiques/collectibles, etc). Anyway, I just couldn’t resist seeing the two frontrunners trying to chop off each other’s heads…

  • Brett

    I just heard that Romney is going to do something they’re calling a “prebuttal.” Supposedly a “pre-response” to the State of the Union. Even more humorous, Cain will be delivering the “Tea Party response.” As for me, I look forward to the Mime Guild’s response to the State of the Union. —Oops, it’s on now (the “pre-buttal,” that is). 

  • rosebud

    ANYONE HERE recall the ongoing threat to our fragile environment? cap and trade? global warming? pollution standards? oh i am SO sorry; there is the one issue that matters- jobs jobs jobs. AND when we’re all GASPING for air, we can be thankful that the unemployment rate is back down under 5%… 
       BUT MAYBE, just maybe we can employ people in GREEN technology, and kill two birds (sorry ’bout the birds) with one stone. OH NO, we just CAN’T do the obvious right thing. 
    even AFTER we have put our best minds to work on defining the problems and the best possible solutions. 
       well, thank g_d for football anyway. PLUS i get 200 channels of sports on my new tee vee set…

    • notafeminista

      Get rid of the television.  Think of how much energy you will save.

      • Anonymous

        I did.  My electric bill went down $7 a month. 

    • Zero

      Isn’t amazing that the word “environmentalists” is now being accompanied with the adjective “extreme.”  We live in a country where a group of people, who have science on their side, are being demonized as “extreme,” “radical,” etc. 

      Nobody calls the Germans “extreme environmentalists,” yet they are scheduled to be completely on renewable energy by 2050; all from an initiative that started in the early 1970s.    

      • rosebud

        i am blessed with a small yard with bunches of wonderful trees and shrubs, as do my neighbors (south florida). And occasionally we get some real native wildlife that comes wandering through as well. it makes me Very Happy in spite of all of my other problems, and really puts me at ease. i am not particularly religious- just inspired by life and all of its forms. the other day i picked up a fallen hibiscus flower and put it under my stereo microscope- a myriad of tiny creatures too small for the naked eye were living on the fleshy plant while i was focusing on the elegant structures of  the pollen grains. absolutely amazing stuff! So i am the first one to admit that there’s a lot of things happening around me all the time that I’m missing out on. I (we?) need to take a moment to just think about it, and then let it guide our thoughts to other issues- like what is really important.

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  • Mark S.

    I have never been more ashamed to be an American… 
     
    One candidate doesn’t lose any sleep over possibly executing innocent, falsely convicted individuals … and the neanderthal thugs in the audience cheer.

    Another candidate says it’s okay to let the uninsured die … and the neanderthal thugs in the audience cheer.

    Another candidate disrespects a gay soldier with two combat tours in Iraq under his belt … and the neanderthal thugs in the audience cheer.

    A slimeball, serial philanderer masquerading as a crusader for traditional marriage misrepresents which president is the actual “food stamp president” … and the neanderthal thugs in the audience cheer.
     
    Increasingly, sane, rational people are finding themselves trapped in this redneck, thuggish, racist, Social Darwinist, Ayn Rand-worshipping, flag-wavin’, cousin lovin’ dystopia populated by idiots cultivated by the right-wing echo chamber of hate radio and Faux Noise.  The Regressive Party is hellbent on returning us to the glory days of the 90s … the 1890s … and they’re getting away with it.
     
    I feel like a sane German in 1933 wondering what the hell is going on in my country and where it will lead.  If that sounds extreme, stuff it.  Extremism is the new normal in this asylum.  Were it otherwise…

    • Anonymous

      The shame for this sorry selection of candidates doesn’t fall to all Americans, just Republicans. 

      • Mark S.

        Well, agreed…  They are Regressive Party neanderthals.  But I am still ashamed that my country has such retrograde morons in it.

  • Gregg

    “Ethics violations” is all we hear about Newt. No on cares he was totally exonerated for the petty petty non-crime. It was a political witch hunt.

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/what-really-happened-gingrich-ethics-case/336051

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