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The GOP Field After New Hampshire

We look at the national debate and GOP field out of New Hampshire, as the GOP contest moves on to South Carolina and Florida.

Campaign signs line a road in Derry, N.H., Tuesday Jan. 10, 2012, during New Hampshire's first in the national presidential primary.  (AP)Campaign signs line a road in Derry, N.H., Tuesday Jan. 10, 2012, during New Hampshire's first in the national presidential primary.  (AP)

Campaign signs line a road in Derry, N.H., Tuesday Jan. 10, 2012, during New Hampshire's first in the national presidential primary. (AP)

So, it’s straight-up victory for Mitt Romney in New Hampshire.  Despite the big, unrelenting field of Republican challengers.  Despite the late-in-the-game charge that he looted vulnerable companies to make a mint. There he was last night, way up on top.  Banging away at President Obama.  Ready to claim the GOP mantle.

Two questions:  can he take his victory bus south?  Half the primary voters in New Hampshire were independents.  Will he sell in Carolina?  And, is he right on the President?  Half right?  Not right at all?

This hour, On Point:  Romney and Co. head south.

-Tom Ashbrook

 

Guests

Rich Lowry, syndicated columnist and editor of the National Review.

Chris Cillizza, managing editor of PostPolitics.com, which is part of the Washington Post’s web site. He writes “The Fix,” a politics blog that’s been following the campaign for The Washington Post.

Susan McManus, professor of government and international affairs, University of South Florida.

From Tom’s Reading List

Wall Street Journal “Mitt Romney claimed a comfortable victory in New Hampshire’s Republican primary election Tuesday, giving him wins in the first two presidential nominating contests after his photo-finish ending in Iowa a week ago.”

ABC News “With Santorum and Rick Perry already turning their attention to South Carolina ahead of next week’s vote, it’s unlikely the GOP’s 2012 will be won or lost in New Hampshire, even if Romney does, in fact, run away with the vote.”

Politico “Independent voters don’t like Romney much, either. In one of the more surprising developments this season, the GOP front-runner — who is expected to win handilyin Tuesday’s primary — is sinking, Obama-style, with the unaffiliated third of the national electorate that likely will determine both candidates’ fates in November.”

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  • Michiganjf

    Dems already know the entire Republican field is UNFIT for the Presidency…

     Now, Republicans themselves are making the argument, in both campaign ads and on the stump, that not a single Republican candidate is fit for office!
     

    Keep the ads and doses of reality coming, Republicans!

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    Only two candidates emerge from NH.

    1) Romney as the nominee
    2) Dr. Ron Paul vying for a strong influence at the convention and influence of the GOP platform.

    Sure there will be fireworks in SC but the fat lady has sung.

    Axelrod’s worst fear has been realized.  The nominee is Romney and it is over early.

    • Gregg

      There is another school of thought that says Obama wants to run against Romney. I don’t think the fat lady has sung… but she’s warming up.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Yeah, I’ve heard Rush and Palin make that argument and it is incoherent.  If you have a source on a sane analysis I’d be interested.

        If true, the DNC and Axelrod would be spending millions on a sophisticated conspiracy.

        • Anonymous

          While not crazy like Santorum or Newt, or dumb like Perry, Mitt has flaws that will hurt him against Obama.  No one is excited about his candidacy so the GOP voters will only be motivated by a desire to vote against Obama (same voters as 2010 election).  Moderates in industrial swing states like Michigan, Ohio, and Penn., won’t like Romney’s vulture capitalist background and advocacy against saving the auto industry.  Romney makes John Kerry look consistent, charismatic and sincere in comparison.

    • Michiganjf

      Romney is a moron… and worse, a moron with delusions of grandeur who thinks he can buy the presidency just like his daddy’s money has bought all the rest of his comforts and his ability to loot decent American companies for the tax write off.

      The bonehead Romney blames everyone but those like himself for “the politics of division.”

      … this illustrates better than anything just how out of touch he is with Americans… the rape of the middle-class is exactly why Occupy Wallstreet, and even the Tea Party both got traction in America.

      Obama is will now glide easily into a second term… thank God, as America could not afford any of these Republican rodeo clowns in these harsh times of mopping up a Republican mess from our recent past.

      • Still Here

        I always enjoy losers such as yourself calling incredibly successful people, by any measure, morons.  You are beset by delusions of mediocrity, how else to explain your total lack of accomplishment.  Perhaps it is because you choose to blame everyone else for your pointless lot in life.  You are a failure, what a waste.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          SCATHING INDICTMENT?  Do you know Michiganjf, THAT intimately?
             Or do you just want to blatantly expose your ignorance and irrational temper?

          • Still Here

            I know him better than he knows Romney.  jf’s a bed-wetter with well-deserved self-esteem issues whose only friend is his right hand.  He’s on SS disability due to a traumatic brain injury that left him severly mentally impaired and legally a ward of the state.  I could be wrong on the details, but the end result is the same, he’s a total loser.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            ALL of our troops, that have Traumatic Brain Injuries, are LOOSERS, to you? 
               Interesting, is the most polite, but inadequate work I can think of.

  • Gina M

    The two leading GOP candidates after NH continue to be

    1) Romney
    1) Anybody-but-Romney

    Not necessarily in that order.

    • margbi

      It would seem that Romney wants to be President because he wants to be President. Is this a reason to elect him?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        HAS been working for that, for years, hasn’t he?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          Every ambitious politician wants to be A President and there is nothing wrong with that.

          • Zero

            At least he isn’t pretending he doesn’t want to be president.  But margbi has a good point–he is not running on a fixed ideology; he is changing his ideology to suit the electorate.  Huntsman is far more respectable because is sticks to what he thinks is right no matter what crowd he’s talking to.  I used to think Paul was that way, but he panders as well.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Come on. All politician’s pander.  Obama was the panderer in chief in 2008.  That’s the business and I think its OK.

            Mitt has been very consistent.  He wrote a book outlining his views.  He campaign is extraordinarily consistent with the views in his book.

          • Zero

            All politicians pander, but to what degree.  When I read about Mitt Romney as governor of MA, he was a data-driven policy maker.  And only when data could not be used in a policy decision, he relied on his ideology.  That is a good philosophy if you ask me.  Now if he would campaign as a pragmatic progressive (which is how he governed) I would have more respect; but he is campaigning a strong ideology.  However, as you can tell by previous comments, I still think Romney belongs in the national conversation.  And I think he or Huntsman should win the nomination even though they are stronger challenges to Obama.  I just feel that the national dialogue will be taken in a better direction over the years if people like Santorum and Perry fall off the face of the Earth. 

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            I disagree that he governed as a pragmatic progressive.  He tried to make government more efficient without raising taxes (which everyone said would be required to cover the $3B shortfall).  He had his list of reforms and he worked with the legislature to get them done.  I think he had list of 10 major items and he implemented 8 of them.   When he got too close to their favorite patronage havens they blocked him and then he got out.

            However, he was pragmatic.  He had to be with a 85% democrat legislature.  Remember we are in a primary and he is perceived as moderate and needs to ‘win the base’ or he will have no opportunity to be pragmatic.

            Any successful leader has to be pragmatic to govern effectively.  Both Reagan and Clinton were very pragmatic.

            I’m not big Perry or Santorum fans either.

            The CNN exit poll indicated 51% of Huntsman voters in NH are not unhappy with Obama.  Not a winning voter base to take down an incumbent.  He’s probably a good guy but he ran a poor primary campaign.

          • kelty

            Sure he didn’t raise taxes in MA, he just cut aid to Cities & Twon which in turn caused Property taxes to shoot through the roof. Plus he raised Fees on just about any imaginable item that a MA dweller had to file. Then bligthly skipped out on the campaign trial and trashed his “home” State. Yeah, A great Guy all around….NOT  

          • nj

            If they all do it, it must be okay. That’s a real principled position ya got there.

            There’s no one there there with the Mittens. He just tells a particular audience what they want to hear.

            Part of the appeal of people like Paul (on the issues he’s correct about), Nader, Perot, etc. is that they eshew this kind of bullshit and talk straight to the issues.

            One of these cycles, the right candidate of this type will come along who has enough mass appeal to overcome people’s fealty to this stupid, disfunctional so-called “two-party” theater show that plays every four years.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Have you read his book?  “No Apologies”

            I highly recommend it.  You might learn something.

          • Anonymous

            Romney claimed that his wife convinced him to run.  Everything that comes out of his mouth is a result of a consultant except when he goes off script and talks about how he likes to be able to fire people who are working for him or that corporations are people my friend.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            The ‘I like to fire people’ statement was taken out of context.  That may be his attitude, but that statement was wrongly used!

          • Anonymous

            I was using it in the context of not being able to go off script without problems.  He should know better than to say something that confirms his image as a job destroyer.  And it isn’t nearly as out of context as his quote of Obama quoting a McCain aide which his campaign defended so he can’t now claim it was taken out of context.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Ok.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        You don’t believe Romney cares about the country and that it is heading in the wrong direction?

        If you listen to his stated motives he makes a very compelling case.

  • Plain old Cory

    I find the systemic denial of Ron Paul to be interesting.  If any of the other candidates had his results after Iowa and New Hampshire, they’d be considered a serious contender or even a front-runner.  I get very irritated when a talking head describes any candidate as unelectable, or a wasted vote.  Ron Paul seems to be fighting an uphill battle against some sort of media inertia and bias.

    By the way, I have no interest in seeing Mr. Paul as president.  I’m just afraid that it may someday be a candidate I like who faces this ridiculous treatment.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      My sentiments almost exactly!  It’s disgusting how the media seems to be marginalizing him.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        Because he is a Racist.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          If true, I don’t like that!   Racism is a HUGE detriment to this, or ANY country!

          • Adks12020

            check out the Ron Paul literature and listen to his speeches from 15 or 20 years ago.  He was racist then and he was over 50.  People don’t change that late in life.

    • Gregg

      I think it’s the almost universal rejection of the notion the American people will elect someone who will allow Iran nukes. But I agree with you and think Paul is for real.

    • nj

      It would be an interesting study to see which media outlets ignore Paul the most.

      Waiting for the weather, i watched a segment of a local Fox So-Called News morning broadcast on the teevee last week after the Iowa dog-and-pony show. 

      In about 10 or so minutes of reporting on it spread out into a few different segments, the words “Ron Paul” didn’t pass the lips of any of the field reporters, analysts, or anchors. Not once, not even to simply report the results. 

      I would have forced myself to watch more of the broadcast (they’re on for four or five hours in the morning) to see if they ever mentioned him, but i had to get to work.

      Again, that’s Fox. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    It was a predictable result in New Hampshire primary and it is now Romney and Obama/Clinton.

    As I said before jobs and economy should be the mine goal/topic for the Presidential candidate of both parties.

    If Hillary Clinton will be the Vice President I will vote for Obama.

    • Adks12020

      I like that idea as well.  I think Hillary would be a much better option for VP than Biden.  I don’t think President Obama will drop Biden though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Mitt Romney is not fit to be the President but compared to other Republican presidential candidates. He is decent and normal compared to others.

    • Zero

      In a sane America, only Romney and Huntsman wouldn’t be laughed off the stage. 

  • Newton Whale

    There’s a little black spot on Mitt’s sun today:

    King of Bain

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_evS-T-c35M 

    Newt Gingrich is on a kamikaze mission to destroy Romney as payback for Iowa. He has $5 million in his SuperPac and has a 28 minute long film set to run in SC called “When Mitt Romney Came to Town”. Here’s the intro:

    Capitalism made America great – free markets, innovation, hard work – the building blocks of the American Dream. But in the wrong hands some of those dreams can turn into nightmares. This film is about one raider and his firm and how they destroyed that dream for thousands of Americans and their families – Mitt Romney and Bain Capital. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_evS-T-c35M 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Capitalism also destroyed America and Again it was not Romney who destroyed the American economy for 8 years.

      • Newton Whale

        That second paragraph of mine was a quote from the film. No, Mitt didn’t do it by himself, but Gingrich is making him the poster child for the excesses of capitalism that did. This film is an amazing indictment of corporate raiders and Bain Capital FROM THE LEFT and it dovetails perfectly with what Occupy Wall Street has been saying. More from the film:

        Mitt Romney.    Was he a job creator or a corporate raider?That’s the question this film answers.And it’s not pretty.Mitt Romney was not a capitalist during his reign at Bain. He was a predatory corporate raider. His firm didn’t seek to create value. Instead, like a scavenger, Romney looked for businesses he could pick apart. Indeed, he represented the worst possible kind of predator, operating within the law but well outside the bounds of what most real capitalists consider ethical.He is exhibit number one the left wants to use in the coming election to give capitalism a bad name. He and his friends at Bain were bad guys. Any real capitalists should disavow Romney’s ‘creative destruction’ model that made him wealthy at the expense of thousands of American jobs. Mitt Romney and his cronies pioneered ‘deindustrialization,’ a process by which they searched out vulnerable companies, took them over, loaded them with debt, and collected obscene fees while doing so. He sent jobs overseas or killed them altogether, and then picked apart the remains – including pension funds – before the companies went bankrupt. Some might call that the free market. Most of us think its just plain wrong.If you wonder why America has lost so many manufacturing jobs overseas, look no further than Mitt Romney – the King of Bain.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Yup, we get all our information from propaganda films.  I’m sure Bain has some ugly stories but I’m also certain there are good stories from Bain.  This film  is certain to magnify the worst of the worst; probably with distortions.  Remember, this film was produced by the Perry campaign and is now being used by Newt to take down Romney.  This is NOT journalism.

          The fact checks have already reported gross inaccuracies.

          We will see.

        • nj

          What are you talking about here?

          [[ This film is an amazing indictment of corporate raiders and Bain Capital FROM THE LEFT ]]

          The film was commissioned by Barry Bennett, a conservative activist who heads Alliance for America’s Future, a shadowy, conservative 527 group.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            I believe Bennet is a Perry supporter.

  • JennyG

    Why no opposition to Obama on the Democrat side?  It seems like he let a lot of us down the last 3 years.

    • Zero

      The policy he’s passed has been mostly good, and the policy he tried to pass looks good as well. He just doesn’t fight hard for his policy, but that isn’t an Obama problem–that is a democrat problem.  Sometimes democrats need to be more autocratic like the republicans.

      • JennyG

        I think he would have fought harder if he really cared for the issues.  I completely reject the invasive and illegitimate security provisions he has put in place.  That’s not what he ran on.

        • Zero

          I agree with the latter.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Look at the bills that Congress attaches these provisions to!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      With a Congress of ‘NO!’ government, whose all-consuming goal is to “get Obama out of the Presidency”, do you think you could do better?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        If so, HOW?

      • JennyG

        No, but Hillary or Nancy could.  Probably some guys too but ladies with conviction come to mind first.

        • Chris B

          You are absolutely correct.  For whatever reason Obama is either unwilling or unable to play hardball.  Hillary would have been far more effective dealing with the yahoos in congress.

          • Guest

            I’m not too sure about that. The Republicans HATE Hillary about as much, if not more than, Obama. Uppity woman and all. I think she would have had as much heels-dug-in resistance and spewed vitriol as he has been subjected too. Her saving grace would have been the backing of long-standing fellow compatriots to help push through desired legislation and keep the troops in formation which Obama does not have. 

        • mary elizabeth

          With great regard for Hillary as
          Sec of State, she would not have done better.  Her campaign was poorly run, a precurser to the Presidency.   If the Repubs detest Obama, they detest the Clinton’s even more and would have done to her what they have done to Obama.  All the “fight”  for which she is so famous does no good against an obstructionist congress. 

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Probably very true!

          • Newton Whale

            Republicans refuse to recognize the legitimacy of any Democratic president. That’s a strategy they use to mobilize their base and suppress turnout among the Democrats.

            Democrats who bemoan the fact that Obama has not done everything make the perfect the enemy of the good and play into Republican hands by depressing Democratic turnout. That’s what happened in 2010: Republicans got the same turnout as in 2008 and Dems stayed home:

            “In 2008, polls showed that young people were overwhelmingly supportive of Obama and the Democrats. And they turned out in droves. According to the research group CIRCLE—The Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning and Engagement—which tracks civic engagement among young voters, 51 percent of 18- to-19-year-olds voted that year.In 2010, polls showed that young people were still supportive of Obama and the Democrats. But only 20.9 percent of them bothered to vote.”http://www.thenation.com/blog/156470/young-voter-turnout-fell-60-2008-2010-dems-wont-win-2012-if-trend-continues 

          • TFRX

            Republicans refuse to recognize the legitimacy of any Democratic president.

            Ever since election night 1992.

            “How could that fat philanderer legitimately beat our chosen scion?”

            (Okay, maybe the word “scion” is my dressing the question up.)

            But ever since then the GOP has been in full screech mode.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          I am a guy that speaks against chauvinism, and bigotry.  I don’t discount the abilities of the ladies.   Good luck.

        • Peter Lake

          Nancy Pelosi: the candidate in every Republican wet dream.
          Nothing would ensure a 50 state Republican victory faster than running her for president..

    • Newton Whale

      For the same reason so many big name Republicans decided not to run this year: Obama has actually kept about 80% of the promises he ran on. He ended the disastrous Iraq War, saved us from a second Great Depression, took us from an economy under Bush that was hemorrhaging jobs at nearly 800,00/month to one that has added over 3.1 million since his stimulus bill took effect, gave us a financial consumer protection bureau. And did I mention that he killed Osama Bin Laden? But don’t take my word for it. PolitiFact has been keeping score:

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/?page=1  

    • Newton Whale

      Oh, and BTW. What do you mean “us”? No Democrat refers to “the Democrat side”. That is a deliberate slur that too many in the media have adopted out of ignorance, laziness, or bias. William F. Buckley, Jr. would have none of it:

      “Dear Joe McCarthy used to do that, and received a rebuke from this at-the-time 24-year-old. It has the effect of injecting politics into language, and that should be avoided.”

      Read more http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/08/07/060807ta_talk_hertzberg#ixzz1j9wFeHYP 

  • Newtonpk2002

    I am a huge “On Point” boffin, often rearranging my schedule so I can hear it. Also a political junkie.

    But I think I will skip today’s show. Nothing that I don’t know from having watched 5 minutes of election news last night.
    Mitt won, ho hum.
    Not your fault, and you gotta cover it, but there it is.

  • Brett

    The Republican Party is like a cheating fiance; they know they’ll have to marry Romney eventually, but they want to have a fling with every other possible candidate until that day.  

  • Michiganjf

    Romney is a moron… and worse, a moron with delusions of grandeur who thinks he can buy the Presidency just like his Daddy’s money bought all the rest of his comforts and his ability to loot decent American companies for the tax write off.
    The bonehead Romney blames everyone but those like himself for “the politics of division.”
    … this illustrates better than anything just how out of touch Romney is with Americans… the rape of the middle-class is exactly why Occupy Wallstreet, and even the Tea Party both got traction in America.Obama is will now glide easily into a second term… thank God, as Americans cannot afford any of the Republican rodeo clowns in these hard times of mopping up a Republican mess from America’s recent past.

    • Still Here

      I always enjoy losers such as yourself calling incredibly successful people, by any measure, morons. You are beset by delusions of mediocrity, how else to explain your total lack of accomplishment. Perhaps it is because you choose to blame everyone else for your pointless lot in life. You are a failure, what a waste.     

      • NAV from Sutton

        You don’t like Michiganjf’s view.  Fine.  Tell us about it.  But keep the personal comments to yourself.  You end up coloring yourself by such comments.

        • Still Here

          Gotcha, I can only criticize Repubs.

      • Fredlinskip

        I  haven’t had time to visit this site much as of late, but is it safe to assume that Still Here refers to Gregg?

        If it is Gregg, I’m going to try and return a favor you once did me. There was a time when my comments began to start to drift over the edge from, lets say friendly criticism, to that of disrespect for others, you pointed this out to me and you actually helped me “see the light”.

        Sounds like you’re reaching that edge.

        And by the way, when you came up with the name “Still Here”, did you consider the name “Still Goofy”?

  • Michiganjf

    Romney thinks memorizing a few lines of “America the Beautiful” and the privelege of his Daddy’s money is enough to buy him the Presidency…

    … well, it’s certainly enough to buy him the nomination of some clueless Republicans, but it won’t get him any farther than that!

    … he should have at least been coached enough to get the lyrics right… but the Right falls in line, nonetheless!

    • Peter Lake

      “Daddy’s money”?
      Mitt’s far out-earned his father, who only had a fraction of the fortune Joseph P. Kennedy used to get his kid to the White House and his other kids to the Senate.

      • Michiganjf

        Like I said above:

        ” his Daddy’s money bought all the rest of his comforts and his ability to loot decent American companies for the tax write off.”

        … if it hadn’t have been for “his Daddy’s money,” Romney wouldn’t have had what was needed to get into the venture capital game in the first place.

        • Michiganjf

          … easy enough to buy companies and then dismantle them for profit once you have the money.

          … not that Romney didn’t learn the ropes well from his first partners who got him into “vulture capitalism.” 

  • Matt

    Obama has not made this country stronger..and to me that is a problem.

  • Anonymous

    In other words Romney after NH?

  • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

    Ron Paul with his anti-establishment, anti-banking machine, anti-war machine message, which is huge with Independents this year, who know that both parties fail on these huge issues, is the only  candidate who can win the General.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    If we have a President Romney, I would expect that he will do exactly what he did in Massachusetts; reverse nearly all of his entrenched policy positions from the campaign and adapt to the challenges of governing a politically divided nation with an equally divided Congress.

    • Anonymous

      Other than Romneycare and getting rid of Bulger, he didn’t really do much.  He didn’t govern from the middle as he had already shifted right to run for president.

  • Dpweber83

    I feel bad for America’s political journalists.  This is going to be the boringest election since 1996.  It’s gonna be Romney, and then it’s gonna be Obama, and the GOP will still hold the House.  Same as it ever was.

    -dan
    Boston, MA

  • Vanessa (Jamaica Plain, MA)

    I was really turned off by Romney’s speech last night.  His criticism of Obama for looking to other democratic countries of the world for new ideas and perspectives, calling it “an apology for America” is pretty narrow-minded and arrogant.  

    He seems to echo this immature notion that we are the best nation on earth, everyone should be doing what we’re doing and we have nothing to learn from anyone. 

    • Anonymous

      His comments were one short step from playing the “freedom fries” card.  Ridiculous and totally out of touch with reality but oh so effective with the right wingers he needs to secure the nomination.

  • nathan

    Romney is going to be the nominee… do we really need another hour to discuss this pre-ordained result. This election cycle is really not as fascinating as news media hyper-ventilation might indicate. The voter turnout is lower than the 2008 election cycle. Why o why US media focuses so much on the horserace and election than actual governance.

    Just a sad state of affair.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Mitt as Pres?

    - Corporations get to vote.

    -Rich get richer, and pay less, if any taxes

    - Middle East on fire with our military fingers in war with Iran and every other country in the area with a beef against the US

    - Parts of the Affordable Care Act (aka “Obamacare”) stripped down, then put back in place as a Republican idea.

    • Scott B, Jamestown NY

      Mitt hires Bain to break apart Congress, laying off Democrats and selling of the rest to Big Business and China

    • Peter Lake

      What a mess of the facts:

      First: Corporations don’t vote.
      Second: The top 10% of earners pay 70% of income taxes.
      Third: War with Iran? I thought Obama was going to charm them. That’s what he told us.
      Fourth: Obamacare? Now its disapproval outweights its approval.

      But I think it’s great that even someone who doesn’t know anything can post here.

      • Scott B, Jamestown NY

        Someone needs to turn their “Literal knob” down off “11″…  But I redress it anyway

        If corporations are “people”, then what other rights are going to come their way? They already get [corporate] welfare.

        Top earners also frequently pay a lower rate than then people that work for them, as Buffet, and even Reagan, pointed out.

        The leadership (and would-be leaders) on Right seems to want us to keep spending on the military and many call to stay in  the Middle East for an open-ended time (McCain, Perry, Palin, Romney, Santorum..)

        75% of people like what Obamacare does, they just don’t like paying for it.  Pick one – Have it and pay, or don’t and quit bitching about paying for those with no health insurance, finding insurance with pre-existing conditions, increasing costs that ourstrip cost of living almost 2:1…)

      • Terry Tree Tree

        I DISAGREE! 
           First; Corporations, foreign or domestic, can use $BILLIONS to influence votes, without DISCLOSURE, thanks to 5 corrupt or senile ‘Justices’ of the Supreme Court!  Corporations are NOT people, they are comprised of people, that have their own vote, IF they are citizens!
          Second;  6 of the Wal-Mart heirs have MORE money than 30% of the population, and the top 1% have, or control 90% of the money, so  they SHOULD be paying 95% of taxes!
           Third;  War with Iran?  I hope not, but who knows?
            Fourth;  Affordable Health Care?  24 Million are benefiting NOW, and the program hasn’t really taken effect!  WHY do you think DEATH PANEL insurance executives deserve $MILLIONS for DENYING services paid for, on flimsy ‘pre-existing conditions’, that are ambiguous?

      • TFRX

        Corporations don’t get thrown into prison like people do.

        Corporations don’t have to cease and desist when they’re “convicted” of crap like people do.

        Corporations don’t have to worry about some Southern sheriff saying “where do you think you’re goin’, son” in front of the polling place on election day.

        Sweet gig.

  • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

    Pauls 2nd place speech was great. A platform to outline the ideas and connect the dots regarding the financial crisis, our debt and our wars. Those messages and the reality of his analysis are satisfying to honest thinking people who never get to here this stuff from the establishment “candidates”.

    • Dpweber83

      “Pauls 2nd place speech was great.” [sic]

      Sammy Sosa’s 1999 was great too.

  • Dpweber83

    “The President has run out of ideas.  Now he’s running out of excuses.”  

    ‘Scuse me, is Mittens suggesting that Obama has legitimate excuses for what he derided as a failure of leadership “of one man?”

    Nevermind; Romney knows that he’s preaching to a choir that doesn’t much care about logical coherence.

    Go screw, Mitt.  I’m going to take pleasure in crushing your Pennsylvania Avenue dreams.

    -dan
    Boston, MA

  • NAV from Sutton

    So tired of hearing about Romney.  Its been analyzed ad-nauseam.  And its really just about the “drama” of politics to achieve listeners.  Really, could you focus on the news. 

    Also, its free advertising for the right.  The power of the Bully Pulpit isn’t with the President, but with the Republicans.  How about the other voices, from the center and left after weeks of this nonsense from the right.

    • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

      The Big Banking DNC and its Democratic Socialism, Technocratic rule, and One-world, Centrally-managed dreams, is as dead and unpopular as Mitt Romney’s old-money, establishment GOP old hat nonsense.

      Times are finally changing folks. Unite against the elite establishment.

  • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

    Romney’s establishment GOP and Obama’s Democratic Socialistic goals are both rejected by most Americans these days.

    We should be celebrating the possibility that people are waking up and the establishment is vulnerable.

  • Bartcaruso

    At least Tom’s guests mention Ron Paul. As opposed to NPR’s top of the hour news , which mentioned everybody ! except the strong second place finisher ! I see NO substantative difference between Obama and every republican challenger Except Ron Paul.All will keep all the Wars going,feeding the Complex, all would allow the FED to run wild ,unsupervised by public scrutiny, bailing out foreign central banks and wall St, debasing the dollar, funding the Dollar Bubble, making a cataclysmic Crash inevitable.

    • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

      There is no difference. But, nothing to see here, move along……nothing to see.

      “Libertarians like Ron Paul are on our side on civil liberties. They’re on our side against the military-industrial complex. They’re on our side against Wall Street. They’re on our side for investor rights. That’s a foundational convergence,” he exhorts. “It’s not just itty-bitty stuff.” 

      -Ralph Nader

      • Anonymous

        There is no difference. But, nothing to see here, move along……nothing to see.

        This Nader quote again . . .

        • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

          Yeah, it’s a good one, for people who give a $hit about this nation.

      • Bruce

        While I respect and agree with Nader on the above positions you enumerate, and Paul’s posture on the War(s) and civil liberties corresponds with progressive views I hold, Paul’s economic and social policy prescriptions would return the country to the rapacious unregulated capitalism that was largely responsible for the Great Recession of 2008.

        And let’s not forget Nader’s role in the 2000 Presidential election as a spoiler who likely helped Bush, the Profligate Son, attain the White House…with what your probably agree were disastrous consequences for the country.

        A similar scenario was played out in 1968 when the anti-war disaffected Left stayed home, and helped elect Nixon with similar consequences for the country.      

        • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

          “Paul’s economic and social policy prescriptions would return the country to the rapacious unregulated capitalism that was largely responsible for the Great Recession of 2008.”

          That kind of blanket smear is just completely unsupported by the facts.

          Are you telling us that it was sound money, and a lack of crony-capitalism (Paul vision, Constitutional vision) that led to the greatest financial bubble in history?

          Wasn’t the Fed supposed to prevent  bubbles?

          Nobody is falling for this charade anymore.

          The Fed along with no monetary standard allows profligate debt spending and money printing that is used by politicians to curry favor and militarist to try and dominate the world and Wall St leeches to cook up fee-generating and “dumb-money” plundering schemes, with the only beneficiaries being the financial and political elite.

          People want their power back.

          The Fed was supposed to prevent bubbles, provide stability.

          We got the biggest bubble and crash in our history. 

          You’ve got to be kidding.

          • Bruce

            Who’s kidding whom?

            The Fed. Chairman in the run up to the financial meltdown was a Reagan appointee, Ayn Rand acolyte, free-market, laissez-faire libertarian by the name of Alan Greenspan, who admitted before Congress in 2008 that he was dead wrong about his assumption that the market did not require more regulation.

            The other main architect of the Great Recession of 2008 was another Texas Republican Congressman by the name of Phil Gramm who spearheaded partial repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which most independent economist view as the single most important factor in the financial collapse.  He was also largely responsible for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which kept derivatives free from govt. regulation. That Act also contained the so-called ”Enron loophole.”

            Must be something in the polluted water of Texas that keeps giving us politicians bent on reducing the country to a banana republic.

            Paul et al are no different, except as has been noted on this board, Paul would deal a huge blow to the cause of civil rights and reproductive rights because he and his ilk are stuck in their delusions of past grandeur.

      • nj

        Another day, another new handle from Leather Dave from CT who seems to think he’s fooling anyone into thinking these are different people shilling for Ron Paul.

        http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/05/e

        http://wwjv4.com/republicans/1

        http://www.addictinginfo.org/2

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

        http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2

  • Vanessa (Jamaica Plain, MA)

    Jeez Mitt, god forbid Obama look to other nations for new and effective perspectives on democracy. If recognizing the strengths of other democratic countries around the world is seen as “an apology” for America, then we will remain the immature teenager of the world that believes we can do everything ourselves with no vulnerability. Not the best phraseology Mitt.

  • Bruce

    How could this possibly be characterized as a “big win” for Mitt Romney?  38% of the vote garnered in essentially his home state!  A 3-4% increase over his percentage in 2008?

    This “victory” is unimpressive when you consider the rest of the GOP field of pretenders as distinct from contenders – 

    a pathetic collection of laissez-faire, libertarian, flat-earth evangelical, anti-government, conspriacy-theory wing-nuts.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Big because he only “won” Iowa by 8 votes?

  • Peter Lake

    Sheldon Aledson gave Newt a shovel and Newt’s digging his own grave.
    No one’s going to watch a 30 minute documentary about how terrible Mitt is and anyone watching it will think it’s made by Michael Moore.
    When it turns out to be Newt’s henchmen then conservatives will roast Newt on a spit.

    • BHA in Vermont

      No loss. He is the biggest hypocrite of the lot.

    • Anonymous

      Of course Newt’s correct about harm done to the real economy by leveraged buy outs and the practice of “creatively destroying” companies and jobs to enrich hedge fund and private capital group members, similar to Bush Sr.’s comments about Reagan’s economic ideas being “voodoo economics”.  But when it comes to getting elected, facts and principles be damned.

  • Rex

    I think I’ve seen this primary full of clowns vs. a consensus meh President before and it was called 2004

    • TFRX

      In 2004 you’d get culled from a “town hall” for wearing the wrong shirt or having the wrong bumper sticker. And we all got labelled as traitors for eating French, yes French, fries.

      The remake is somewhat different.

  • Wackerdr

    Good grief, Tom. This is only the first primary (second beauty contest) and you expect anyone lower than second to pull out??? If that’s the case, let’s cancel the rest of the primaries and go directly to a poll-centered election for President! then we could end all this campaign crap today.

    • TFRX

      Don’t forget: Things were different when we were kids.

      Now GOPers can run for president without getting off the wingnut welfare gravy train or being accused of abandoning their elective offices. Hermain Cain and Newt Gingrich were merely running large-scale book tours, to name but two.

      The risk/reward ratio is different for them than for others.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    Ron Paul isn’t accepted by the GOP elite – media silence on a strong second place showing is proof – he won’t be allowed to win going forward, the leaders in his own party will stop it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUQ4XMTZ32OAXZSJHIWPBOOJ2I GH

      Finishing 15 points behind the winner considered a strong second?  Only for Ron Paul.

  • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

    Pauls message is simple.  Funny money from debt borrowing and Fed printing is at the source of our political corruption, financial bubbles, and militaristic, as opposed to National Defense, foreign policy.

    The emperor has no clothes anymore.

    The future coalition is not Paul-Huntsman, it’s Paul-Nader.

    Progressives can get behind a limited government message when they understand one of the main goals is to stop the corruption and concentration of power by what we normally think of as the establishment GOP beneficiaries.

    Wall St, Military industrial complex etc.

    All it takes is a mature acceptance that printing and borrowing money to try and achieve a utopian welfare/warfare state will just never be sustainable.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Surely you don’t expect GOP to get behind this? 
        Conservative of waste, fraud, and abuse?  GOP can’t have that!

      • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

        Who cares what the old-money, establishment, paternalistic GOP wants?

        • Anonymous

          Who, you ask?  The vast majority of people who vote for whom the party tells them to vote for, without which Repubs would win very few elections.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            or Dems for that matter.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    One thing is for sure – the media will stomp on the winners to try to keep the circus going as long as possible. Elections are ultimate reality show.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul’s actual views and record wouldn’t stand up to close scrutiny.  Be glad he is being ignored or the myth will fade. 

    • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

      That’s a BS one-liner.  How does the Constitution not stand up to scrutiny?

      You mean we prefer to continue to delude ourselves that we can debt spend and money print our way to some better life, and are too cowardly to live in the real world?

      That may be true.

      We won’t stand up to our own scrutiny is more like it.
      Most of our modern, corrupt society is a pigs at the trough charade, that we may or may not wake up to.

      • Anonymous

        Ron Paul’s extreme state’s rights view of the Constitution would not stand up to scrutiny either legally or politically. 

      • Dpweber83

        “That’s a BS one-liner.”

        And “Trust in your fellow Americans and carry Big Stick” [sic] isn’t?

        I don’t know you, but what I do know of you from these comments suggests that you and I just don’t see the world the same way.  I don’t think the words “How does the Constitution not stand up to scrutiny?” could pass my lips, mostly because it doesn’t make syntactic sense.  But here we are.

  • Jmcmillin

    I would be interested in seeing how many voters in NH changed from registered Dem to Rep just so they could vote for Paul. The numbers for existing registered Rep do not add up, something the political analyst are not focusing on is the ground swell of democrats willing to switch parties to support Paul. this of course would be bad for the incumbent President but in the bigger picture it would also if it caught on provide Paul with a base on both sides.

    • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

      Help out.

      “Libertarians like Ron Paul are on our side on civil liberties. They’re on our side against the military-industrial complex. They’re on our side against Wall Street. They’re on our side for investor rights. That’s a foundational convergence,” he exhorts. “It’s not just itty-bitty stuff.” 
      -Ron Paul

      • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

        -Ralph Nader quote, sorry. That’s the point.

      • Jmcmillin

        so what are you asking?

      • Anonymous

        Same quote twice in an hour. 

        • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

          Still have nothing to say about why Nader says those things regarding Paul?

          Is it really that complicated?

          Are you trying to say it’s irrelevant? Are you kidding? You think our current situation delivered by our 2-party establishment is just honky dory?

          You think we have no systemic problems?

          • Jmcmillin

            i am saying i do not understand your point, if it is that Nader whom i also support has similar goals that would speak to my original thought which is that Dem are increasingly changing party affiliation to vote for Paul because their own party has not focused on working towards solving the issues that they or he being Obama was voted in to do.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            Yes, that was the point. Sorry for the confusion. I think that sentiment is very significant around the country these days.

          • Anonymous

            I really don’t care about Nader’s thoughts on presidential politics.  He helped Bush “win.”  I agree with Paul on Iraq and a handful of other issues but he is very right wing and would govern that way.  He is not progressive.  The Democratic party is flawed.  I’d rather fix that than have misguided progressives depart the party for an ineffective or disastrous candidate like Paul.  I don’t see Ron Paul doing anything to counter corporate personhood or money as speech. 

          • Jmcmillin

            I agree with fixing the party, I am not all that jazzed about Paul entirely due to his free market confidence but i would be interested in seeing how our economy works without the impedence of things like subsidies, loop holes, and money from lobbyists, all things that Paul would work to rid the goverment of if elected.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            In all seriousness, I hope you take the time to look deeper into Paul’s positions, and the liberty position as it relates to the issues we are concerned about these days.

            It’s not fair to characterize someone defending the Constitution and Liberty, as  someone who wants to protect corporatism (he’s the most against it in either party, not just ideally, but mechanically), or someone who wants to jam ways of life down your throat. 

            You and I need to deal and talk and work with our neighbors, we don’t need the Federal government enforcing anyones particular worldview upon us.

            If you don’t like the banking fiasco, the wars, and our debt, if you appreciate the value of classical Rule of Law, after the shows here with Bill Black and Glenn Greenwald, and you admit to yourself that the game is rigged by elite powers, then Ron Paul is the only candidate out there right now in either party who will move the ideas honestly forward.

          • Anonymous

            What is his liberty position on the Civil Rights Act? 

            Like it or not, the government is the only to limit corporations. 

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            Yes, that’s why we have government in a constitutional, limited government system.

            Its why we have laws in a Rule of law system.

            You are purposefully looking for boogeymen.

            Do you not think civil rights are covered in our constitution?

            Did you forget the links showing the ACLU put Ron Paul’s rating above Obamas?

            Doesn’t fit the red herring narrative?

            Do you think Ron Paul defends monopolies and oligarchies? Really?

          • Anonymous

            Ron Paul’s position is that civil rights are not protected at a federal level.  That is a scary view and would cause me to not vote for him for that reason alone.  I’m not looking for a boogeyman but at one.  Did the ACLU do an analysis of Paul’s actual positions or just that he had more no votes?  Every time yet another example of Paul’s extreme views are offered you dismiss it as a “red herring” but they start to add up.  Ending FEMA, ending national abortion rights, and ending national civil rights are important issues. 

          • nj

            When presented with any one of dozens of examples of why the “Liberty” fantasywon’t work, LeatherDave of a Thousand Handlescalls it a bogeyman.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Dave does that quite often.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            What can I say, it’s a great quote, and nobody ever responds because their hypocrisy and partisan allegiance is too thick!

      • John in Amherst

        Ron Paul’s civil liberties do not include freedom of choice on reproductive rights. 

        • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

          Baby with the Bathwater…..
          Bye-bye USA.

          Live in a pro-choice state if your view of abortion requires it. You are free to do that.

          But you would rather keep the Wall St corruption and the Military Industrial Complex domination.

          Thank you!

          • Brett

            “Live in a pro-choice state if your view of abortion requires it. You are free to do that.”

            You can’t be that naive to the issues surrounding the attempts to erode Roe v.Wade by limiting access for women of limited economic resources? …Why don’t you stick to “discussing” issues (reads: a bunch of strung-together platitudes and vague statements about liberty, etc.) you can handle. 

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            I personally would put choice in the personal liberty column, just like euthanasia.

            I’m just not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater when we have such massive fundamental power problems with our nation, including naive reactions toward socialistic and/or central planning utopia, instead of looking to remove the fuel from our corrupt elite, which is our unsound monetary policy.

          • Brett

            One can not “choose” if certain choices are not available. It’s great to say people should be free to make their own choices; it’s ignorant and simplistic to think choices are simply a matter of picking one thing over another. 

            Paul wants to see abortion illegal; and, as he knows, the best way to kill a Federal law is to let it erode in the state legislatures. He pretends that freedom/liberty is best           reinforced/strengthened by making abortion a “choice” among the states, but really it’s a copout so he doesn’t have to make any definitive statements about ending Roe v. Wade (something that could hurt him politically).  IMO, I think Paul is a great voice of dissension, of upsetting the status quo, of challenging certain assumptions about how government should work, etc. He serves his country well in his current capacity/role, about the best that he can serve his country. He would not be a very effectual president and would not get very far past locking horns with Congress. Nader’s best way to serve his country would be to go back to his role as a consumer advocate (something he was good at). I’d like to see Nader take on the banking industry with the same fervor in which he took on the auto industry. 

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            I think we have run out of time for Nader and Paul characters to simply take subservient critical roles in the status quo system.

            We are failing economically, and as Huntsman  says, our “trust deficit” is really rotting this country.

          • Brett

            I feel as though you’ve mythologized both Nader and Paul unfairly. Neither men, in the capacities I mentioned, has been “subservient.” And, ostensibly, you think the presidency would be some sort of linear progression for each man. All leadership roles are not the same, for one thing.

            What an unrealistic burden to place on Paul to think he would completely change our current system of government by his presidency.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            It’s the awakenedpeople,vigilant about sefl-governanceand the constitutionand wary of the elite that will bringthe change, not the man. But leadershiop and bullypulpit important.

          • TFRX

            What’s the example of “liberty” SoundMoney needs?

            Maybe when his 15-y.o. daughter gets a positive pregnancy test in Missletucky.

          • kelty

            What a fatous response – grow up and look at the realities of life for everyone without your rose-colored glasses.

          • nj

            The Libertarian cultists have drunk too much Kool Aid to understand reality.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            I personally believe choice is a personal liberty issue. I don’t want to tell you how to think about it.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Dave campaigns for Ron Paul, relentlessly, under a plethora of different names.  It’s only Dave.

      • nj
        • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

          troll alert.

          • nj

            Translation: Anyone who challenges Leather Dave’s Ron Paul shilling is a troll. 

      • Bruce

        While I respect and agree with Nader on the above positions you enumerate, and Paul’s posture on the War(s) and civil liberties generally corresponds with progressive views I hold, Paul’s economic and social policy prescriptions would return the country to the rapacious unregulated capitalism that was largely responsible for the Great Recession of 2008. 

        And equally disturbing is his utopian vision based on a delusional attachment to the past which if adopted would result in a huge setback to 20th century advances in civil and reproductive rights.  And let’s not forget Nader’s role in the 2000 Presidential election as a spoiler who likely helped Bush, the Profligate Son, attain the White House…with what you probably agree were disastrous consequences for the country.A similar scenario was played out in 1968 when the anti-war disaffected Left stayed home, and helped elect Nixon with similar consequences for the country. 

    • Terry Tree Tree

      I think New Hampshire is like Tennessee, you don’t have to switch party registration to vote in the other party’s primary.  We, here can vote in either, but NOT both party primary!

      • BHA in Vermont

        Same in Vermont, you just tell them which party ballot you want. Seems the fair way to me.

         You may lean one way or the other come the general election if you are an independent, but you want the choices to be the closest to your values as possible.

      • kelty

        NH undeclared voters can vote in either party’s primaries – a huge amount of Independents in the State swing the pendulum every election like clock-work 

        • TFRX

          How many days (weeks, etc) ahead of primary day do you have to “undeclare” to a Registrar of voters, in order to be unaffiliated and vote in either primary?

          Just curious.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Check with your state, actually county Voter Commission office, or such.   Tenn., N.H., and Vermont, all seem to have a system that lets you vote in EITHER party primary, but NOT both, regardless of how you are registered.

          • TFRX

            Thanks, T-3, but I wasn’t wondering about me in particular. It was just a general musing.

            I’d just like it to be part of the background information that we get every hour, the way that sportscasts leading up to this weekend’s playoffs talk about the injury list or playing conditions every day.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Ok.  Either way!  You’re welcome.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War
  • BHA in Vermont

    To caller Rich – just because YOU think Santorum is the best choice doesn’t mean others do. In fact he did VERY poorly in NH and only did well in Iowa because their main voter turnout was evangelicals – a group that is NOT representative of the country as a whole. To be blunt, there is no way Santorum will make it to the finals. How about Huntsman INSTEAD of Santorum in your scenario? Or Paul?

  • Anguirus2003

    I wonder what the number of votes for Obama imply for him. Do his numbers bode well for him? I know the panel was talking about it on the show yesterday. Does the panel have any thoughts?

  • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

    It’s a shame DNC diehard partisans care more about party and unsustainable visions, than about our country, and are not joining in the Ron Paul Revolution that is blowing up the GOP and should blow up the entire Political Establishment, around the idea of an honest, sustainable and free America.

    • Jmcmillin

      it does not matter what the DNC thinks, Democrats are starting to think for themselves, again I would be interested in seeing the statistics of registred Dem changing their affiliation so they can vote for a canidate like Paul.

      • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

        I’m kind of talking about folks around here.

        I switched.

        • Bruce

          didn’t you once write that once you buy into Paul’s brand of libertarianism, that you’re hooked for life or words to that effect?  Now we learn that you only recently “switched.”

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            I wrote letters for Dean, voted for Nader once or twice. Obama not putting 1 financial crook from the bubble scandal, and investigating our monetary policy and  relationship between  printed money, debt, war and the political enablers of the elite was the final straw.

            Good intentions not enough for me anymore. Power corrupts. Self-government and vigilance and equal Rule of Law best chance, not putting hope and power in hands of elites.

          • Dpweber83

            “Obama not putting 1 financial crook from the bubble scandal”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Rajaratnam

            Yours is a fascinating worldview.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            Small potatoes. What did they have to do with the creation and crash of the finance/housing bubble.

            Those criminals, who obviously should be put away, are convenient distractions from the failure to take on ANYBODY remotely connected to the Wall St/Washington Cabal of revolving door cronies and system riggers.

    • Dpweber83

      “the Ron Paul Revolution that is blowing up the GOP”

      What are you talking about?  When Paul wins a primary, let us know.

      • nj

        Leather Dave of a Thousand Handles is in full hallucination mode now.

    • nj
  • Brett

    Paul will not get the nomination…after losing South Carolina and Florida, he will become an independent candidate, and there’ll be a three-way race among Obama, Romney and Paul. Romney has the war chest to go all the way to the Republican Convention. Newt/Sanatorium/Hunstman? Not so much. It will be funny to see some of these candidates cozy up to Romney, the same ones who’ve bad-mouthed him so.

    It will be interesting to see how Paul does in South Carolina, and in Florida.

    • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

      “It will be funny to see some of these candidates cozy up to Romney, the same ones who’ve bad-mouthed him so.”

      That will be hilarious and the hypocrisy will put the final nail in the coffin of the establishment GOP.

      If they cared one bit about some of their soundbytes, they would support Paul, but they are military industrial complex and unsound money/debt society tools.

  • mary elizabeth

    We need to know how Ron Paul plans to deal with Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, how to keep it out of the hands of terrorists.  We need to know how he will comfort the families suffering without health care, or those whose hard earned retirement or workplace safety is plundered by deregulation, or how he will enjoy a planet under seige by polluters.
    We need to know how he will maneuver around that pesky Congress to enact his  Ayn Rand vision of an every one for oneself society.
    At age 76, after on week in the oval office, if elected, Paul will wish it never happened. 
     

    • BHA in Vermont

      Don’t we need to know the answers to the same questions from the other candidates as well?

      • mary elizabeth

        Yes, indeed.  But Paul is rising in the polls and even worse than Romney in his disdain for Everyman.

    • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

      We all wish there were magic bullets and benevolent dictators.  Trust in your fellow Americans and carry Big Stick.

      • Dpweber83

        Are you intentionally not answering the question?

        Aren’t “your fellow Americans” the same people who put “the Establishment” in power?  The same “Establishment” you decried just a couple minutes ago?

        • nj

          Leather Dave of a Thousand Handles has no answers to specific questions about his utopian Libertarian Wonderland. It will all just work. He read it on a Web site.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            That’s rich.  I think the ratio is about 10:1, my comments/questions to actual reasoned responses.

            Nobody has yet defended admirably our debt/money printing used to fund charlatan politicians, Wall St games and war.  Its a fact, and most prefer to ignore it, and instead  look to the politicians of one party of the other to keep deluding us with our partisan brand of utopia.

        • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

          I don’t recall voting for Larry Summers, Hank Paulson or Ben Bernanke.

          • Dpweber83

            By that token, I didn’t vote for Donald Rumsfeld, but that doesn’t mean I get to say his appointment was illegitimate.  If you want direct election of every single public servant, we’re not going to do anything but vote.  What, exactly, is your point?  You voted for people who made decisions on your behalf; that’s the essence of a republic, and you don’t get to steal second base and go home every time someone you don’t like wins an election.

  • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

    Paul will rightly get the populist message. Not out of political expediency and cheap attack lines, but out of a true respect of the People over the Establishment.

    • Dpweber83

      Fascinating capitalization.

  • Ellen Dibble

    I’ve missed some of the show.  But why would Republican PAC people, like Echelon (Restore Our Future, I hear) or whoever it is from I think Nevada who is supporting Gingrich — why would they want to describe Romney’s form of capitalism as looting?  Do Republicans have a better form of profit-making for the USA?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Destroying the U.S., for FUN and PROFIT?

  • MS5515

    Romney is insulting the intelligence of Americans. Spinning hyperbolic false labels for Pres. Obama and expecting anyone to honestly believe them is stupid. He insults people with his assumption that anyone who isn’t wealthy just wants to take money from the wealthy and envy them. He has no plan to get Americans working again, he has nothing new to offer for solutions to this sluggish economy. HE doesn’t understand this American economy. HE IS NOT LIKE MOST Americans. HE doesn’t get it!

  • Ellen Dibble

    Romney’s “firing” comment needs to be refocused.  It’s not that he was talking about firing an insurer, versus an individual.  It’s that you fire one insurer after another, reading fine print till you’re blue in the face, and they all cover the same thing; they all have to pass their plans across the red tape of the government to get approval; and they basically cover things that end up profitable for insurance types, profitable for medical types, and if the proof is in the pudding,  they cover things that are not yielding terrific results.  You may be one of the lucky ones, but you may find that all that firing of competing insurers gets you nowhere useful.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Competition can make a difference.  I remember when Harvard Vanguard wasn’t serving their customer base they started bleeding subscribers during open enrollment.  They had to lower prices and provide better service to stay in business.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Did their major executives get paid?  If so, they didn’t worry!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I missed you Ellen.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Romney’s capitalism (hugely boosted by the mathematical capabilities of computers, which have no heart) needs to be under the microscope.  Go back to about 1970.  There was a kind of capitalism that was focused on growth and progress.  Not maximum profits for Wall Street.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      What is wrong with investing in failing businesses and trying to turn them around?

      • John in Amherst

        you mean like loaning money to the auto makers?

        • Brett

          Shshshshsh! You’re muddying the man’s narrative! 

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          They did more than loan money.  Bankruptcy would have been sufficient for GM.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Also, what is wrong with maximizing profits?  Who were Bain’s customers?  In many cases they were pension funds for fire fighters and teachers and charity endowments.

      • John in Amherst

        There is nothing wrong with maximizing profits, but there is more to running a country than ”maximizing profits”. If your only value is short-term returns on investment, maximizing profit is fine.  If planning for the future, valuing diversity of opinion, long range strategic & foriegn policy planning, compassion for the elderly, sick, disabled, providing quality education so that our kids can compete globally when they grow up, etc. are factored into successful management of the country, “maximizing profits” is not just myopic, it is often immoral.

        • TFRX

          CEOs fire “loser customers” all the time because they can’t improve a company’s profit margins.

          If the CEO-as-Chief Executive fetish is carried further, we should not be surprised with the result: We have to get rid of these poor people! They’re costing the government too much!

  • Anonymous

    GOP, the party of regressive ideas. 

  • Vanessa (Jamaica Plain, MA)

    I absolutely agree with the caller from Rhode Island. Mitt Romney seems to be really pushing a “we know best, no matter what” notion about American policy and it seems so arrogant.  We should cooperate with other nations – why ever not?  This is should NOT be painted as anti-American. 

    • BHA in Vermont

      Absolutely. Where did all the egomaniacs come from?

      cue Queen’s “We are the Champions”

  • Ellen Dibble

    I know someone who thinks Romney is too transparent, with body language that gives away too much.  Not enough of a poker face.  This astounds me since I see his presentation as polished to something like glass.  But I notice I can’t watch even a sound bite of him.  I hate to think of being a citizen if someone was presiding whose words I couldn’t watch.  And as to the meanings, I’m not sure the man understands.  Tom is saying, “Does it line up with facts,” and I agree, the speeches align with a version of the truth that requires — a Rubix cube of truth, however you spell it.  The economy from the top of the superstructure might look like that, and some of us might buy into the vision.  But get someone to walk-back the thread through that maze.

    • Brett

      I can tell when Mitt gets miffed or flustered: he stammers.

      • John in Amherst

        I can tell when he is distorting or ignoring the truth:  he is talking in front of a microphone.

        • Brett

          I’m afraid you, sir, are incorrect in your observation: Willard does NOT need to stand in front of a microphone to distort or ignore the truth! ;-)

          • John in Amherst

            point well taken

    • W Bradford

      when i see Romney do his ‘thing’..  he strikes me as someone uncomfortable in his own skin. If people cant see that this man will do anything and say anything whether they be truth or lies… then i just dont get it.

      • BHA in Vermont

        Will be interesting to watch. He needs to learn one thing:

        If you always tell the truth, you don’t need to remember what you said.

        His brain will be SO confused with which story he should tell as the campaign rolls on  :)

      • TFRX

        I’d care less about his charisma if he had the slightest sense of nobless oblige.

        Why does every Republican candidate seem to be campaigning for the role of Mr. Potter?

        (And no, Mr. Potter wasn’t some financial genius. He was a monopolistic hack who scrabbled into a geographical fiefdom, and would shortly be put out of business by the Caldors and W.T. Grants in the 50s and 60s.)

  • BHA in Vermont

    GET A LIFE!
    The USA is NOT some specially anointed “we are better than everyone else” country and our foreign policy of the past decades proves it.
    - “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” has NOT worked well.
    - We should NOT be the world’s police department GWB’s go it alone Iraq invasion is helping to bankrupt us and made ZERO friends and a LOT of enemies.

    If you don’t think we are in a “global influence” downward spiral, you need to stop listening to FOX and Rush and start listening to the BBC.

  • NAV from Sutton

    Tom, give up.  the guy you are talking to is a hypocrite who will only take the Republican Party line….

    • Guest

      What is the Republican Party line? I think the diversity in candidates shows there currently is no strong line.

  • Ellen Dibble

    A panelist is saying if the Baby Boom retires we’re into social democracy vis-a-vis European social welfare.  So is he saying nobody gets to retire?  He may find that nobody gets to retire anyway, because our IRA’s have shrunken.  And there’s a baby boomlet, our offspring, which is even larger than ourselves, and hopefully even more productive.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      I think the point Lowrie was making it the changing demographics are not favorable to the solvency of our pay as you go entitlements.  In addition we have the enormous growing debt overhang.

      • TFRX

        Taking advice from a Republican or a right-winger on Medicare or Social Security is a fool’s errand.

        And Lowry was, for want of a more polite term, sowing as much doubt as he could get away with. Our host had to rebuke him.

    • BHA in Vermont

      If they can get, and KEEP, a decent job!

  • David

    Romney complains about “ObamaCare”, but “RomneyCare” in MA was very similar.  I would never vote for Romney because I don’t know WHICH Mitt Romney is on my TV at any given time!

    • John in Amherst

      Which Mitt?  There is but one: The two-faced say anything to get elected one and only Mitt.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Romney care was only 60 pages and impacts only 8% in the state of MA. Obamacare is 2200 pages and impacts everyone in the country.  There is little comparison. Obama’s been feeding the line that he got Obamacare from Romneycare to give him cover.  It’ll never work.

      • John in Amherst

        wrong.  It effects everyone in MA, by virtue of the fact that the uninsured indigent no longer rely on the ER for primary care.  Granted much needs to be refined in Romneycare and its national counterpart.  Doctors’ salary levels & disparities, deciding on just what makes most sense in spending (only the state of Oregon has attempted this), and separating investor profits from patient care being just a few unresolved problems.  But medical care and the “free market” are incompatible.  When people stand to make dividends and capital gains from insurance, the companies’ feduciary responsibilities inevitably conflict with patient care.  If you truely believe that the free market has a place in providing care for patients, the next time you need to go to the ER, try shopping around for the best deal, and see what happens….  

      • Dpweber83

        “There is little comparison.”

        Yeah, if you’re willing to ignore the substance of the bills, I suppose that’s accurate…

  • James in Ohio

    If Romney wants to take us back to the foundational values of this country, does that mean that he supports a return to slavery, counting blacks as 3/5 of a person and an inability of women to vote?  He’s romanticizing the past and placing cherry-picked values under the umbrella of ‘foundational values.’

    • Jmcmillin

      already happening James, a slave built your device and mine to post our comments, we just dont see it on this side of the pond.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Even better: in 1600s Boston, only members of the Puritan church could vote. Raising your voice against that got you time in irons even if you were a member of the church and wealthy to boot. I suspect the same was true in many other colonies as well. The powerful ALWAYS make SURE they KEEP control.

      The 1% becomes the 1/2% then the 1/4%. Hopefully they will give us some clean clothes once in a while so they have something to wipe their feet on.

  • Yar

    There is as much coded language in Romney’s statement about the soul of America as is in the book of Revelations.  Soul is code for theocracy, European is code for healthcare as a right. 

    • nj

      That’s just Mittens blowing the religious, right-wing dog whistles.

  • John in Amherst

    Romney’s strategy seems to involve ignoring his GOP competitors and skipping to running in the general election, where he is relying on overwhelming the fact checkers with his mischaracterizations and outright lies about Obama and his policies.  Given the bias of outlets like FOX and the lassitude of many of the other networks, his distortions of Obama’s record may get traction.  Whether all the muck under the wheels of his bus will prevent it from cresting the hill to victory reamins to be seen…    

    • BHA in Vermont

      Yep. PRETEND you are the INEVITABLE candidate, knowing the press will follow along as will all the voters who want to vote for the “winner”.

  • Ellen Dibble

    I am campaigning for the networks to reform, reconstitute.  This is Sisyphean, but I can’t help thinking about it, and have my corners of the boulder to put my shoulder to.  I’m not just whining anymore.  I’m weighing in.

  • Sylvia Connor

    Why do I bother to listen to On Point when there is no continuity from one program to the other,e.g., yesterday we heard about Europe’s having more relative mobility than the US. Why wasn’t that mentioned when Rich Lowry spouted about Romney’s claim that Obama is trying to make the US more like government?

    • Anonymous

      Listen to hour two today.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Pretending to be inevitable seems to me the quintessential prerogative of the privileged (Mitt-essential now), or anyway they deploy it that way, perhaps because it usually works for them (they have secret clout, dollars), or they can pretend “it didn’t happen” if it turns out they’re wrong.   It is a subversive tactic, and Americans need to find a good counter for it, and not only vis-a-vis this particular candidate.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      A month ago Newt declared: “I will be the nominee”

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        Newt who?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          I forgot!  Maybe the next hour of On Point would have helped me?

  • Tina

    Americans don’t even look at Europe intelligently differentiating between countries with balanced economies and social programs and those who overspent.  Denmark and Sweden are reported to be solvent and their people happy.  Sweden has been working hard to combat any backlash against Muslim immigrants so that they can be truly integrated into Swedish society.  These should be our models we look to.  The Republicans want Financial Capitalism to continue unimpeded.  They want insurance companies to be able to refuse payments to people with pre-existing conditions.  Both of those desires will just increase the Class Divide we have in America.  Our Constitution was written after the British colonial experience:  it is based on  class and race based inequities, except for the changes that have been made to the document over the centuries — which many Republicans differ with, including, so sadly, some on the US Supreme Court.  Americans are falling for spin, spin, spin, much of it generated by one man who owns Faux Entertainment News.  The Republican spin is not only dangerous, but it is also false.  Mitt Romney is a Liar Bully when he characterizes President Obama.  A Liar Bully!! —  unfortunately, many of us remember that many weak people go along with the Bullies, echoing in.  That is happening.  Listening to those people in the background of the Romney speak Tuesday night was chilling.  He is frighteningly fascist in his ability to rein people in with his False, Liar Bully Speak!  

  • Ellen Dibble

    When he talks about not being the country of envy, as if to be the all-embracing Mitt, something like that, I think exactly what is it that motivates you to achieve the one thing your father did NOT achieve?  Did that have anything to do with a sense of relative inadequacy or envy?

  • Cindycb

    Your guest, Rich, lives in another world from the one I do. The economy tanked, jobs were lost, as was revenue, not to mention the personal devastation felt across the nation.

    And this all before Obama took office. The president has done as well as anyone with this issue, and accomplished more than others could have considering the economy.

    Seems to be some lack of memory — Obama ran on healthcare and better oversight of wall street and we voted for him overwhelmingly. Wall street is at the heart of our economic woes whatever your explanation or wherever you place blame.

    If it weren’t for the economy, no thanks to the last administration busting a surplus, the fear of healthcare and the CFPB would not resonate as it does now in the “media”. I think most of us already appreciate the new healthcare laws and home mortgage/bank changes of CFPB.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Please do not confuse the right’s propaganda, amnesia, and outright LIES with facts.

  • Moondancer010

    I cant believe listening to some of the republicans arguments. Just now one was comparing Clinton to Obama.. doesnt he remember that Clinton walked into office during a computer industry boom.. software companies being started and grown everwhere…  What did Obama inheret… ‘staring into the abyss’, wars, a huge deficit..    c’mon, Obama has done nothing but try to solve our mess.   Even trying to cut back on a bloated military received condemnation from republicans. 
    All i see from consertive republican politicians are a view that we should keep govt as small as possible except for what benifits them and thier friends.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Careful, the truth bothers the liars!

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      You must remember that most Republicans suffer from acute AMNESIA.

      • Michiganjf

        … and the bonehead Republicans love feeble attempts at re-writing history, as though anyone but another idiot Republican would buy into it… just check out Michael’s post below!

        • Michaellong100

          Wow Dems don’t look anything up. When Obama had all the political capital he needed to reform Wall Street he put Tim Geithnar (registered Republican), Ben Bernenke (registered Republican) and Larry Summers (former head of Commodity Futures Trading Commission) in charge of reforming Wall Street. He got Summers who created derivatives and killed Glass Steagal to regulate overleveraged CDS contracts. Obama’s biggest campaign contributor is Goldman Sachs.  

        • Michaellong100

          Highest Tax Rate under Ronald Reagan 50%

          Highest Tax Rate under Obama 35%. 

          Reagan had much higher taxes than Obama.

          • Modavations

            Google JFK’s(the first of the great tax cutters)economic speeches.Then explain to the class why you think he wanted to drop the tax rates

          • Fredlinskip

            Is there a point to your comment?
            We need return to 50% rate?
            Not be such a bad idea, if that’s your point.

            Obama is a right-wing ultra “conservative” compared to Reagan??

            What’s your point?

            Or do you just discover a new fact & just got to share it.
            (By the way that’s a good sign- it  means you are capable of learning something new)

    • Michaellong100

      Thank god Obama addressed all of that. Where are the regulators  -Elizabeth Warren, Paul Volker, Sheila Bair . Obama became the first president in history to completely destroy financial prosecutions. Zero prosecutions for the mortgage mess even though William Black (who put 1000 executives in jail for the Savings and Loan scandal) offered to do them. Obama created the least effective SEC in history. Last year the SEC has the fewest prosecutions EVER – even less than Bush!!! Obama created criminal innovation in finance. Banks like Bank of America are now backstopping CDS derivatives contracts with depositor FDIC insurance. 

      OBAMA is Goldman Sach’s greatest lobbyist. He sold out to the banks in epic fashion. Wake up!

      • Modavations

        The bankers got a copy of Pres.Obamas Sats and threatened to release them.There will be no prosecution

  • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

    Are you guy’s really going to be distracted by Romney’s amateurish vulture capitalism, while the 2-party establishment (Greenspan, Clinton, Rubin, Raines, Paulson, Geithner, Summers, Bush, Obama) STILL remains unaccountable for the the greats economic vulturism is world history to date?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Dr. Ron Paul disdained the attack on Bain Capital.  Are you with Ron Paul or against him?

      • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

        What’s your point/question? Are you implying he disdains attacks on the financial crisis and it’s genesis/players? 

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Ron Paul doesn’t agree with your characterization of Bain’s model as ‘vulture capitalism’.  Ron Paul believes in liberty and economic freedom.  I was just wondering if you agree with Ron Paul or if you think he is wrong.

          • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

            I wasn’t characterizing Mitt’s Bain, I’m using the current language of the discussion, and pointing out that Paul’s real message on real economic corruption is much more fundamental.

            If Bain was acting within an uncoerced marketplace, fine.  I believe in composting, life and death.

  • Jochen

    Just a feeble comment from a European suppressed under the cracking whip of socialist governments:

    Have any of these guys ever been to Europe? We just happen to believe that health is not a commercial commodity – just like a few other human rights.

    Of course there are problems around the Euro (amongst others), but when it was introduced 10 years ago; I could purchase around 90 Us cents with one Euro. Today I can get around one Dollar and thirty cents (yes it was up to 1.60 at one time and fortunately it has come down some).

    American Exceptionalism: How about a little humility here? Don’t these guys realize that when you tell somebody else that you are superior, he is going to resent that. Especially if it is not true. And then it’s easy to call that Antiamericanism.

    Have fun with these candidates. I am just frightened.

    • nj

      Many of us here are frightened, too

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      You speak the truth, and I have been to Europe many times. I am frightened too because the American political system is broken and under the control of corporate money and special interests.

      American Exceptionalism was true at one time. Now it is an empty slogan and a myth peddled by Republicans for their own gain. And only believed by fools, the uninformed, and those who exploit them for their own gain….from both intellectually bankrupt parties. Which in reality is ONE party showing two faces. Both serving corporate interests and pretending to represent the middle class. BS. 

    • Michaellong100

      Modern Conservative america has a strange cult of opportunism. I notice it in politics, business, etc. Nothing is wrong with optimism but sometimes it is used to cover up failures and ignore truths that could otherwise be addressed. You see it in network marketing, everyone is cheering so hard that they never notice they are not making any money. Look at all the motivational posters and self help junk that came from Enron’s office. The platitudes about integrity and success keep the employees working and not asking questions. I’ve worked in companies that were so into cheer leading that they never noticed the executives were stealing everything not nailed down. 

      • Modavations

        The only other job P.Krugman ever had was as propagandist for Enron during the embroglio

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Like Olympus cameras?

  • TFRX

    I was not listening for much of the show.

    So, I have to ask: Did anyone give Rich Lowry starbursts this time?

    And when will On Point learn to not make Tom be both the host, and the left-most voice on the panel? That makes for radio fail, when he has to be the corrective for the outright lies of a Rich Lowry, and when random callers are the ones breaking the boundaries discussion leftwards.

    I expect the GOP to be lost from the Rolodex for every show about the 2016 Democratic primaries. Then we’ll be even. Maybe.

    • nj

      In a political climate in which people labeling Obama a “socialist” aren’t immediately laughed out of the county, shows like On Point can feign “balance” by constantly skewing the panels rightward while including tepid center-lefties as the leftward limit of that end of the spectrum.

      An occasional appearance by someone like Chomsky presumably restores the balance.

      • TFRX

        I’d settle for a Democrat from the Democratic wing of the party.

        Y’know, someone who doesn’t get invited onto Fox News without the Foxholers holding the mic button and lying their asses off about what happened immediately afterwards.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Tom did a good job of calling him on “European socialist” BS, and didn’t let him get away with the “I guess we can agree to disagree” attempt to escape a discussion based on reality.  This really is one of the few shows I am aware of that allows for differing views to actually engage in some sort of give and take, even if it’s not perfect.

      • TFRX

        Our host certainly did that, but it points up a failure as far as it goes.

        Where is the left-wing strategist who’s been on who’s repeating Beltway Inbred narratives (therefore, it doesn’t matter if it’s “intended to be a factual statement”) which Tom has to correct? Tom is holding the left side of the goalpost at least twice a week.

        The flip side of that coin is: Why is it that reporters here (Jack Beatty most often) tell right-wing liars the truth, and it sounds like propaganda, because the righties aren’t used to having their fee-fees hurt with challenges?

        How badly does that scream out for media crit, especially when the NPR ombud is on record as saying “There is always a reason to have more Republicans on public radio” and “NPR needs to appeal to right-wing listeners without corrupting its journalistic output”?

        (Yeah, I recognize these are Big Questions for Another Day.)

  • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

    I’m going to try something else here.

    Obama or Romney 2012!

    More of the same!

    More Debt! More War! More seeds of Inflation! 

    More unaccountable International Control of Finance!

    Hank Paulson or Larry Summers for VP!

    Don’t rock the boat! Don’t look behind the curtain!

    Yeeeaahhh!

    Resting easier now that I’m on board?

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      What else would you expect from a corrupt and broken political system?

      • Modavations

        The post of Prison Guard at Dachau has been filled.I sent you an application for Cambodia.They need some one to bash peoples skulls with a ball peen hammer.No trials over there,no Democracy over there.Right up your alley lad

  • Anonymous

    Not familiar with the Book of Mormon.  Is Romney’s or any other Mormon’s coming to power in the USA predicted in it?  Is his elected inevitable, according to that sacred text?

    • Modavations

      Let’s ask Harry Reid.He’s a Mormon

  • Modavations

    Mitt was always going to win and he has.Not my fav.,but passable.While Gov.in Mass.(,one of the only 1 party states in the nation)he balanced three budgets and vetoed 900 bills.I didn’t like Romneycare.He should have opened the state to competition from hundreds of co.s and handled tort reform.He knew he’d never get it on in socialist-communist Ma..What’s wrong with a 1 party state you ask?The last three Speakers are in jail or disbarred.The fourth is well on his way.Even many of the heads of the social welfare programs are in jail for embezzlement,cronyism,etc,.

  • Modavations

    Every country in Europe has rejected the left,except Greece.Norway and Finland are run by right-left coalitions.Canada is run by the republicans,Mexico is run by the republicans.

    • Alex

      Of course, Europe’s “right” is probably where Clinton and Obama are over here. It’s all relative. 

    • nj

       The Modatroll nonsense has arrived.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Has that really been working for you, nj?  He seems to self-inflict quite well!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Lead and mercury ingestion in Moda’s past, influence him to ‘believe’ that anything that works, including despot dictators, is republican?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUQ4XMTZ32OAXZSJHIWPBOOJ2I GH

      Mexico! a fine example for the US to follow.  …and we will if the R’s get any say in the matter.

      • Modavations

        Soft rascism,me thinks

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUQ4XMTZ32OAXZSJHIWPBOOJ2I GH

          Oh? Explain in what way do you think the US should aspire to more like Mexico?
          Is it racist to take into account he state of Mexico’s economy, record on civil rights and the environment?  
          I believe that the kind of extreme oligarchy that Mexico suffers is the ultimate goal of Republicans for the US, is that your goal too?

          • Modavations

            My next trip down is April 1st.Grab a ticket and I’ll show you what I mean.You obviously have no experience.By the way,where do you think the drugs are going.I’m going to show you something of an anomaly.The intact family, my soft rascist friend

    • RChicago

      I’m not sure if you can equate their right to our right. They have health care for one thing and I’m pretty sure citizens aren’t allowed to carry hand guns so I don’t know how you can think they are the same. They seem pretty progressive unlike our country which clutches the ideas of a document written 1787 when it’s convenient.

      Mexico is probably not a great example of a country to aspire to.

      • Modavations

        Even friggin Spain and Portugal are now run by Repubs.I take your point about guns.In England they hack each other.As for Mexico,I think 42 years down there says it all.Then again a member of the Dependency Party,wouldn’t enjoy life anywhere.I don’t think they have Social Workers down there yet.I know Ms.Goodman was trying to get the head of the Mexican Communist Party(PRD)elected,but alas………

  • Modavations

    While I enjoy Jeffe,N.J.,TRFX,Brett et al.,nipping at the heel  of righty posters,out of boredom and  immaturity they are now calling each other names and mindless immaturities.

    • TFRX

      Boredom and immaturity?

      I, for one, am doing this on a meth kick, which does a nice job of combatting early onset dementia.

      But keep making an ass out of you and you, Moda.
       
      (At this point I have to ruin the joke and state that I don’t use meth and don’t have dementia. I feel the need to do this thanks to the expert out-of-context takers like Moda.)

      • Modavations

        Arn’t you the guy who guys on and on about my need for meds?Another elite saying do as I say,not as I do”,Please explain to Terence Tree Tree that this was one of your feeble attempts at levity

        • Terry Tree Tree

          There it is again!  “The guy who GUYS on and on!   The meds aren’t working?

    • Brett

      You might be able to judge boredom with reasonable accuracy (it seems you’ve experienced that quite often), but I doubt anyone would think you could be a decent judge of either mindfulness or maturity. “j”

    • Modavations

      Sorry,sorry,I forgot Terence Tree Tree.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        As long as you’re not getting ‘limp-wristed’ thinking about me!

        • Modavations

          I call you Terence,because I keep thinking you’re a hysterical woman

          • Terry Tree Tree

            With you, that’s a safer thought!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Nothing like a sexist slur against women, to get the mercury flowing?

  • Modavations

    Probably the worst offender of all,N.J.is in great form today.Last week he went on and on about people posting the same thing.He’s used the same tired piece he used multiple tiimes last week,again today.

  • Modavations

    My guppy could beat Pres.Obama.In my opinion he is the worst president,ever.The left’s only shot is to jettison the President and replace him with Hillary.

    • Brett

      So…who scored higher on the I.Q. test, you or your pet guppy? “j”

      • nj

        I bet his guppy went to B.C. too.

        • TFRX

          That’s what I’d call quite the legacy problem.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          His guppy was Valedictorian of their class, helped Moda to barely graduate?

          • nj

            Maybe the Moda-guppy also types his posts. That would explain a lot.

          • TFRX

            I can believe an insect, but a fish?

            Now you’re just making stuff up!

          • nj

            I hear they’re doing a lot with genetic engineering these days.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Please don’t insult a guppy you don’t know?  The guppy may be Moda’s mercury therapy?

        • Modavations

          They wouldn’t let him in,lousy SAT’s.He did get accepted to Bu and U Mass.,however.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Does the guppy post caustic, and many unfounded comments on here?  What is his screen name?

        • Modavations

          No and he does not spend his life wringing his hands and crying about Pervert priests and the GREEDY,GREEEEEEDY Rich

          • Terry Tree Tree

            That tells me the guppy scored higher than you!  You allso suffer from guppy-envy?

    • Anonymous

      Your guppy should be in the GOP primary.
      Is the fish a supply side pro-capitalism type (I think a shark would be a better fish in those waters) or a tea party fish. (I keep thinking Lemmings are more like them then fish, but I guess a guppy in a tri-corner hat will work. Maybe Tony the Tuna or Fog Horn Leg Horn)

      On a more serious note, wait Obama is going to choose Hilary Clinton as the VP running mate. If this goes down Romney will need choose someone with a lot of charisma.
      Say Marco Rubio, which would at least give him some clout with the tea party extremist and some of the Latin vote.

      If Ron Paul becomes a third party candidate, say goodnight GOP.

    • contrarian

      Correction…George W Bush IS the worst president ever

  • Modavations

    So predictable the piranahas swarm to the chum.Don’t bother kids,I’ve got sales calls today.Talk about Dog Whistles…..

    • TFRX

      “Kids”?

      Keep bloviating, Foghorn. Unless you don’t like being associated with an ignorant blowhard in love with the sound of his own voice and given to repeating the
      same snippets of inanity, no matter the situation, in what passes for “conversation”.
       

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Please have some sympathy for the victim of mercury and lead in his childhood?  Maybe it stuck him there forever?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          lol that was a good one.

    • Anonymous

      woof!

    • Brett

      What’s a piranaha? Or was that a piranahahaha? 

    • Anonymous

      piranahas… sounds like some kind of German fish. Maybe it’s a fascist/socialist fish from the Sudetenland.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Moda Mercury!

        • Modavations

          Terence if you aspire to being NPR’s new Stalker in Chief,you must learn the art of the “Phantom Post”.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Although accused of such, I have NEVER done that, and I feel NO need to hide my opinions behind another screen name!  
               On Point and/or Disqus should expose any that do that, and their screen names!

  • Brett

    SC: 1)Willard
          2)?
          3)?
    Florida: 1)Willard
               2)?
               3)?
    The second (place) and third (show) finishers are the interesting horses to watch in these horse races toward the Republican Convention. It is plausible that Paul could gain steam and take second in either of the two, as could Huntsman; it’s difficult to tell how either of those two will play in either state, though. Newt is toast; he’ll be lucky to come in fourth in either state. Perry may beat him in SC. 

    Republicans are notorious for picking less than desirable running mates (Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Dan Quayle, to name a few). Willard may just seal his fate with the wrong decision in that realm…Should be an interesting summer and fall.   

  • Modavations

    My guppy asked if any of you had found Pres.Obamas SAT’s,papers written while at Harvard,or if he speaks a foreign language

    • Anonymous

      How will the right spin the foreign language question?  If he doesn’t, he is stupid and got an affirmative action slot at Harvard.  If he does, that it is proof that he is really a Kenyan Indonesian Muslim.

      • Modavations

        I saw the President at a White House Party for Cinco de Mayo.He said”Feliz cinco de quattro”.Una pregunta senor.Que idioma fue el Presidente hablando?Mi “guppy” quiere saber tambien.I have a French Guppy too,but French is for another day

        • Anonymous

          I always wondered if George W Bush’s Spanish was as good as his English.

          • Modavations

            I’m not privy,but W(2nd worst president ever,in my opinion)lives in Texas and has Mexican Americans in his family.Jeb Bush  certainly speaks Spanish

      • Terry Tree Tree

        If he speaks German, Spanish and Italian?

  • Modavations

    i WAS LISTENING TO the  HOWIE cARR show(bOSTONS pROLETERIATE Radio) and the news stated the govt.is surveilling Wiki Leak and Huff.Post(there were others,but none right wing).More piranhas eating piranhas.By the way,the working class is far more civil then NPR’s crew

  • Modavations

    Don’t bother kids,I’m off to the gym

  • aj

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TMq3m_Oli4

    If you dont watch this 30 second video, you wont know what, “RON PAUL TWENTY F***IN TWELVE”, really means.  Thoughts??

    • Anonymous

      You should have seen what the Marines did to dead Japanese solders in WW2.
       This is pretty bad stuff, but it’s war and solders do messed up things to releve stress. I’m not saying it’s a good thing, but war is hell.
       

      • Hidan

        I have a army buddy that just got back from his second tour and he’s all messed up. But even when he saw some pretty mess up stuff he didn’t join or take revenge.

         But feel still it doesn’t excuse the above behavior and these people should face the a tough and shift response. Stuff like that puts my brother and friends in danger and promotes the view that the military are nothing but animals. I view I heard people held after Vietnam about the troops.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not excusing what is clearly behavior that should warrant court-marshals in my view. My point is that this has gone in war for decades and now due to everything ending up on the web it’s out in the open.

          You are right about the deplorable actions of a few will tarnish the entire military.

      • Still Here

        or Japanese soldiers to dead Americans or Russian soldiers to dead Nazis

    • Jim B.

      NO. Everyone look away. There is nothing to see here.

      Let’s talk about style and electability.

      Let us have an honest debate.

      Let us talk about WINNERS and LOSERS. No. No. You can’t talk
      about losers. That could imply the audience.

      Let us spoon feed the audience with fluff.

      Oh wait. Let us call the Council on Foreign Relations and
      ask how we handle this.

      Great!  Delete this
      post right away. Censor the internet so no one is exposed to the reality in
      which they live.  Get back to the
      election script. Apply a heavy sugar coating. Let’s get World War Three
      underway before anyone figures things out. It’s all a game. We win. You Lose.

      Move along now.  There’s
      nothing here.

    • Guest

      This video has nothing to do with Ron Paul. Quite frankly it has nothing to do with any of the GOP candidates.

      • Jim B.

        I must respectfully disagree.

        If this current global conflict is all about making the United States SAFE from extremist actions.

        Then, as Ron Paul would argue that our actions around the globe make us UNSAFE.

        With the advent if the Internet this video and others like it will never go away. Imagine if you will, that the one of the men on the ground was someone from your family. Would this film make you MORE or LESS angry? More likely to become a terrorist? Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate in either party who would say it makes us LESS safe.

        Further, I would suggest that a BANKRUPT nation is not a strong nation.

  • tko

    Why is it newsworthy that NH turned out as expected? Media reports of a “steamroller” aside, why would SC’s outcome be dependent on NH? If winning NH “decides it early”, why bother to hold primaries where the other 99% live?

  • Dave Gallin

    I love how Rich Lowery wouldn’t give an inch to Tom on any of the points relating to Bush’s big government or the medicare drug program (it’s smaller than the Obama health plan)-I had to turn this guy off.

  • Jwmmcl

    One of the missing commentaries about Romney is how his use of language is steeped in Mormon rhetoric. I would love to hear experts talk about his imagery. For example th term American exceptionslism has deep ties to Mormon thinking. They headmen back to an idealized vision of our country and the religion is steeped in this idealism. This gives Romney a foundation to pursue his ideals but leaves the modern world fearful they are too out of touch with reality. If you devote a program to this line of thinking please let me know. Thank you. Jim from PA

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    OK, here is an analogy for football fans.

    Mitt is Bill Belichick .  Boring in press conferences.  Highly competent and gets the job done.

    Newt is Rex Ryan.  Bombastic and exciting in press conferences.  Mixed record on the field.

    Who would you prefer as coach and leader?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Pat Head Summitt

    • Hidan

      Didn’t Belichick get busted in a sense of cheating? The Pat’s pretty much sucked until the 2000′s and made the biggest folly in NFL History when they loss there last game after going near undefeated? I remember all the hype about how the Pats will rain supreme and the new Decade of Belichick rule. 

      Besides Mitt couldn’t be compared to Belichick cause people actually like Belichick before and after he started winning as well as i’m not aware that belichick was a flip flopper. The Newt one sounds about right.

      A better analogy would be is Mitt is like Johnny Damon switching from the Red Sox to the Yankees. While openly claiming one thing while he was totally doing another.

      Newt is more like Manny when he’s performing the press and crowds will give him the benefit of the doubt but often tends not to be able to control himself inviting the press to attack him.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Interesting.

        Belichick’s strength is making the most with the team he has (injuries, etc.).  Belichick never has a ‘rebuilding year’.  What’s amazing is he’s always having to deal with huge staff turn over due to success and recruitment and yet he is a perennial winner.   Mitt also has a reputation for building very strong teams, whether it was in MA, Bain, or the Olympics. 

        Sorry I don’t get the Damon thing.  Mitt never really switched teams (except for pro choice to pro life like Reagan).  Rick Perry switched teams from Dem to GOP.  Sorry, but the flip flop thing doesn’t define Mitt.  It is mostly created from his first attempted run against Kennedy. If you look from his tenure as governor there really aren’t any major flips.  Certainly Obama and Newt have many more flip-flops over just the past 3 years.

        I’m not sure about Manny because he really doesn’t have a MOUTH.  But you are on to something because I often say:
        “Oh that is Newt being Newt”.

    • Gregg

      Rex Ryan never won a championship like Newt did in ’94.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Good point.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Upon further reflection the Newt:Rex Ryan comparison holds.  Newt had some success in ’94 but he let his ego take hold and grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory when he was fired by the conservative ranks of his party.  Ryan has some success in the playoffs but no championship.

    • SoundMoneyNotFinance&War

      The guy who doesn’t think real life is just another venue to sell buffalo wings.

      Ron Paul.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BHFTCEPQR25CVBPT6FOZSNEWQM Michael

      Didn’t Belichick cheat?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BHFTCEPQR25CVBPT6FOZSNEWQM Michael

      Herman Cain is Ben Rothenburgher….

  • Modavations

    Newt is starting to remind me of Carrie, after the bucket of blood

  • Terry from Franklin

    Good segment.  I ways yelling at the radio during parts of it.  Especially the guy from the National Review.   He was spinning so fast.  I think that the GOP needs a “None of the Above” choice in their primaries.

    Huntsman is about the only one I might vote for.  He’s the only one that isn’t an active climate change denier.  He doesn’t want creationism or intelligent design to be taught.

    The others are either religious extremists or just plain nuts.  

    Don’t get me started on Newt.  There’s to much in his background…  I still haven’t forgiven him for some of the things he did to Bill Clinton.  I wish there was a way to sue Newt, some the other GOP Senator who went along with him and Ken Starr for the money they spent on endless investigations in to the Clintons.

    Rick Perry is just plain nuts.  I wish he would take the hint and go back to TX and stay there.

    Ron Paul has his good points.  He’s not some sort of Social Conservative like Santorum who want to impose their views on the nation.

    Overall though, if one of these characters does manage to defeat Obama, there is not much damage a president can do in four years.  Especially if congress, the courts and the professional staff in the executive decide not to cooperate with him.  A bad GOP President might be just what the Democratic party needs to get their act together.

    Don’t forget that one of the problems Obama faced in his first two years were members of his own party.  The Blue Dog Democrats caused fought him on about everything he wanted to.

  • Modavations

    If we could transplant Ron Pauls brain into Mitt’s body,we’d have a winner

  • Nprotentis

    1. The only Republican candidate that has succeeded both the private sector and government is Mitt Romney, examples:
    a) He successfully ran a Fortune 500 and doubled its profits while there; although occasionally Bain’s investments failed, it in the long-term created far more American jobs than it lost
    b) When Bain Capital was struggling and about to collapse, Romney came back to the company after leaving it and made it profitable again in one year, while only asking for a symbolic $1 in salary
    c) When Romney became governor of MA, the state had a nearly $2 billion deficit; when he left the governorship the state had a $700 million surplus
    d) When the 2002 Olympics went bankrupt due to corruption, Romney stepped in, he disposed of the corruption and made the Olympics solvent again

    2. As for the firing comment, totally taken out of context; a leader and President must know when it is appropriate to fire people, as opposed to our current President that isn’t a leader and does not when to fire people when appropriate – for instance, Eric Holder and Timothy Geitner should have been fired long ago

    3. President Obama can berate the 1% for not paying their fair share in taxes and berate Romney all they like for his corporate background, but the truth is this:
    a) Obama hired the CEO of GE Jeff Immelt as his #1 economic advisor; GE did not pay a cent in federal taxes in 2010, has shed 1/5 of its work force in the last 6 years, and its stock value has plummeted
    b) Bain Capital paid its fair share in taxes, doubled its work force and never took a government bailout
    c) Obama has taken more money from Wall Street than any President in American history!! This is the likely reason why not a single top executive on Wall Street has been prosecuted or put in jail by the Justice Department
    c) Romney needs to bring up Solyndra, a company that took half a billion in stimulus money from Obama because they were a big donor to his campaign; Solyndra went bankrupt a year later; again, no investigation by the Justice Deparment

    4. Our last two Presidents consisted of the following:
    a) Bush had failed business and government leadership experience before becoming President; his failed Presidency reflected this
    b) Obama had ZERO business and government leadership experience before becoming President; his failed Presidency has reflected this
    c) On the other hand, Romney has succeeded in both business and government, the obvious choice is voting for Mitt Romney in 2012!
     
     

  • Newt Gingrich

    1. The only Republican candidate that has succeeded both the private sector and government is Mitt Romney, examples:
    a) He successfully ran a Fortune 500 and doubled its profits while there; although occasionally Bain’s investments failed, it in the long-term created far more American jobs than it lost
    b) When Bain Capital was struggling and about to collapse, Romney came back to the company after leaving it and made it profitable again in one year, while only asking for a symbolic $1 in salary
    c) When Romney became governor of MA, the state had a nearly $2 billion deficit; when he left the governorship the state had a $700 million surplus
    d) When the 2002 Olympics went bankrupt due to corruption, Romney stepped in, he disposed of the corruption and made the Olympics solvent again
    2. As for the firing comment, totally taken out of context; a leader and President must know when it is appropriate to fire people, as opposed to our current President that isn’t a leader and does not when to fire people when appropriate – for instance, Eric Holder and Timothy Geitner should have been fired long ago
    3. President Obama can berate the 1% for not paying their fair share in taxes and berate Romney all they like for his corporate background, but the truth is this:
    a) Obama hired the CEO of GE Jeff Immelt as his #1 economic advisor; GE did not pay a cent in federal taxes in 2010, has shed 1/5 of its work force in the last 6 years, and its stock value has plummeted
    b) Bain Capital paid its fair share in taxes, doubled its work force and never took a government bailout
    c) Obama has taken more money from Wall Street than any President in American history!! This is the likely reason why not a single top executive on Wall Street has been prosecuted or put in jail by the Justice Department
    c) Romney needs to bring up Solyndra, a company that took half a billion in stimulus money from Obama because they were a big donor to his campaign; Solyndra went bankrupt a year later; again, no investigation by the Justice Deparment
    4. Our last two Presidents consisted of the following:
    a) Bush had failed business and government leadership experience before becoming President; his failed Presidency reflected this
    b) Obama had ZERO business and government leadership experience before becoming President; his failed Presidency has reflected this
    c) On the other hand, Romney has succeeded in both business and government, the obvious choice is voting for Mitt Romney in 2012!
     
     

    • Zero

      Why do republicans laud Business experience so much?  Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet are the three most brilliant business men of our lifetime–and all of them are libs.  Since you think a business man would make a good president, then wouldn’t liby-lib Warren Buffet be the next Lincoln?

      • Modavations

        When you’re rich as Midas,it’s easy to be Liberal and very easy to want to pay more taxes.Now what were their thoughts before they hit the big time?Corzine,Rubin,Maddoff and all are also big Libs.

        • Zero

          Woe to the guy making $3 million after taxes…once the Bush Tax Cuts expire, he’ll be making $2.5 million…I sure hope he doesn’t quit his job, quit capitalism, and make nothing for the rest of his life because he got taxed a little more….  Poor poor millionaire. 

    • Roy-in-Boise

      5) Mitt believes that ketchup is a vegetable.

  • Modavations

    The biggest investors in Bain are Stae and Federal Pensions

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Compared to the executives, how much profit did they get?

      • Modavations

        The biggest investors in Bain are Federal and State Pensions.

  • Modavations

    Now Elizabeth Warren is taking Wall St. money hands over fist.Is Corzine donating to the lady.Last night she refused to disclose how much the tycoons have donated.What a world!!!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      You saying that only Republicans can get $MEGABUCKS from criminal, foreign ‘citizen’ corporations?   No ‘Chrisitan’ ‘Family Values’ fair play there?

      • Modavations

        Listen dude,you’re following me around like a stalker.My suggestion is to ignore me,if I’m so irritating.You had no right to disturb the other pleasant forum.If you treat me civilly,I will GLADLY treat you civilly.My comment is obvious.She rails against Wall St.and is taking their money.

      • Modavations

        No problem if you don’t want to reply.Did you sue the Priest and if not,why not?

  • Catnap

    Great listening to Tom take Lowry to task for his phony rhetoric… all he had left was a plea for Clinton era spending!  If he really felt that way, he’d be supporting Ron Paul, who’s the only candidate who wants to reduced spending by anything like that much.

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