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The nation’s first presidential primary and we’re in New Hampshire with the best political minds for all the action.

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, campaigns at Exeter High School in Exeter, N.H., Sunday, Jan. 8, 2012. (AP)

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, campaigns at Exeter High School in Exeter, N.H., Sunday, Jan. 8, 2012. (AP)

On Point is broadcasting live this hour with NPR from the Comfort Inn in Manchester, N.H.

It is hubba-hubba time today for the GOP in New Hampshire. First in the nation primary. Everybody who’s still in the game is here but Rick Perry, who’s already hightailed it on to South Carolina. We are here, live in New Hampshire. Tracking Mitt Romney. Right in the middle of Rick Santorum’s rally, and the Occupy scrum outside. With Newt Gingrich canvassers fresh off the streets.

Republicans want the White House. They’re still not sure who to send for it. It will matter.

This hour, On Point: we are live on voting day from the first in the nation primary in New Hampshire.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guest

Andrew Smith, director of the Survey Center at the University of New Hampshire and professor of political science.

Karen Tumulty, National political reporter for the Washington Post.

Byron York, chief political correspondent for The Washington Examiner.

Bill McKenzie, Pulitzer-prize winning columnist for the Dallas Morning News.

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

Manchester Union Leader “How many of the diners wolfing down eggs and pancakes are actually eligible or will vote in tomorrow’s First-in-the-Nation Presidential Primary is anyone’s guess but about 70 of them – including Barry and her fellow students – aren’t.”

Politico “Ahead of the Republican primary Tuesday, there’s no sign that the populist conservative movement is poised to shape the presidential results in the “Live Free or Die” state — or anywhere else, for that matter.”

National Journal “The Democrats started it, and now Republican rivals are piling on. Mitt Romney is suddenly playing defense about his career as a venture capitalist–and in a Republican primary campaign, of all things.”

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  • Newton Whale

    Romney claims he spent his career creating jobs. In fact, he practiced the kind of vulture capitalism that destroyed jobs and ruined lives.
    One of Romney’s former partners at Bain has even said, “I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation…The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors.” Private equity firms buy companies under an unusual arrangement – they force the companies to take on huge debt obligations to finance, in essence, their own purchases. The buyout kings then pay themselves huge fees for running these companies, well before it is determined whether they ran them well or into the ground. A Davos study shows that once in control, private equity firms cut more jobs than competitors. And according to a University of Chicago study for the years 1980 to 2001, investors in private equity firms also lose, receiving returns that fell short of the broad market averages. 
    Consider the private equity buyout that took place under the direction of Bain Capital and Stephen Pagliuca – that of Dade Behring, an Illinois lab equipment manufacturing firm that was bought by Bain and was ultimately left with about $450 million in debt. What happened after its purchase? 
    While lab-equipment manufacturers typically allocate 10-to-15 percent of sales to research and development, under Bain, Dade spent nearly half, 6 to 7 percent – $61.7 million in 1997 and $88.2 million in 1998. The anemic R&D spending fit the pattern of recent private-equity excesses – first because Dade Behring needed money to pay off the debt Bain had loaded it down with, and second, because Bain lacked the proper incentives to build a company it planned to exit within five years. 
    Like clockwork, nearly five years after its initial investment, Bain was practicing its exit dance, changing the employee benefits package for many workers from a defined-benefit pension plan, in which employees were entitled to about 75 percent of the average of their combined salary in their last three working years, to a cash-balance plan, saving the company perhaps $10 million to $40 million from the conversion. The same month Dade used the projections of that very savings as part of the basis to borrow $421 million, $365 million of which it turned around and used to buy back some of Bain and co-investor Goldman Sachs Capital Partners’ shares. 
    The Standard & Poor’s rating agency believed the company with the added debt would be unable to pay its interest if it faced adverse business conditions. 
    With added debt, new areas had to be cut. Dade’s Miami office, which had 850 employees in 1999, consolidated operations with a similar division in Germany. Pagliuca told the Globe that job cuts were necessary to improve Dade’s performance. But by then it didn’t matter how many divisions were consolidated or workers fired. Nothing could save the company from its crushing debt load. Finally, the decline in the value of the euro, which Dade was too cash-strapped to hedge against, caused the company to collapse. It filed for bankruptcy in August 2002. 
    Dade’s creditors took over the business, and Bain lost all its shares. But, Bain and Goldman – after putting down only $85 million to buy Dade and receiving the $365 million distribution, made out like bandits – a $280 million profit. Later, the Globe reported, creditors alleging these gains were “illegal dividends’’ got the private equity firms and other entities to pay them back $68 million of the $365 million.  http://www.timesizing.com/1mandas.htm 

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Have you heard of Staples and Sports Authority?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wes-Nickerson/100001436729213 Wes Nickerson

      Romney and his “vulture-fund” buddies at Bain Capital are job destroyers. Has anyone else noticed that he acts like a game show host? Do you trust this guy?

      The rest of the Republicans are not much better. And the Democrats are not much better than that. They are all bought out by the folks on Wall Street and K Street that have “invested” in them and lobbied them.

      I’m voting for a green future for America. I’m voting for Jill Stein of the Green Party.

      http://www.jillstein.org/

      Wes, Cambridge, MA

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        I trust Mitt to turn things around like he did at the SLC Olympics.

        I remember Jill Stein when she ran for Governor.  She seems like a nice lady.

        • Hidan

          Wow you trust Mitt? He’s already been flip flopping from last week on what he said in Iowa compared to New Hampshire. Or Thank Romney for the “Big Dig”

          Remember this?

          “”Look,’” Romney said he told the service, “you can’t have any illegals working on our property. I’m running for office, for Pete’s sake! .”Trustworthy indeed.  Romney will say/act and do anything to get elected. Remember this Devoted and Dedicated on having abortion.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4“I will preserved and protect the women’s right to choose.””I want the voters to know where I stand as Gov. I am not going to change our pro-choice laws”

      • JustSayin

        Winning and losing depends on who makes the rules (article repeats halfway) Private Equity’s Edge: Buy Now, Deduct Taxes Later
        : http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/01/09/Private-Equitys-Edge-Buy-Now-Deduct-Taxes-Later.aspx

        “There’s no reason in the world not to limit interest deductions for
        corporations,” said Marty Sullivan, a contributing editor at Tax
        Analysts. “We have a tax system that encourages corporate leverage. It
        should be just the opposite.”
        _________________________________________
        Help for Mitt on the image of junk bond raiders:
        Buyout Lobby Plans Campaign to Counter Private-Equity Bashing

        http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-10/buyout-lobby-plans-campaign-to-counter-private-equity-bashing.html

        “…The Private Equity Growth Capital Council, the industry’s lobby group in
        Washington, is starting a web-based campaign at the end of the month
        aimed at political commentators with testimonials of people who say
        private equity has helped their business…”

    • Modavations

      Between Staples and Sports Authority he created over 100,000 jobs and he’s not my guy!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    I find myself constantly turning off the vacuous political news in the US.  Is there no escape from this useless mind-numbing media circus??  We all know the outcome.  Corporations win, the people lose.

    • Modavations

      Mentiras senor.eschuchas cada dia a las noticias USA,porque cosas politicas en Italia, estan abburrido.Io sono Italiano,la famiglia vivono in Bologna.Io so 50% della
      Italianos sono” republicans”.

    • nj

      What? You don’t find that crappy cell-phone photos of N.H. venues expands your understanding?

      I’m spending the morning with Ms. Rehm: Fishing catch limits for the first hour. Something that’s actually important.

      • Still Here

        Sounds like you’re firing Tom for today because you don’t value his service; how heartless of you!  I fired my cable service provider and now it weighs on my conscience.

    • Plushkin

      That’s because you better be sticking to all times commie favorite Gianni Rodari. Get your daily fix by re-reading “Chipolino”   

      • Modavations

        Righteous

  • Corythatcher

    I have an idea…  Let’s have ALL the primaries on the same friggin’ day, so no one little state has undue influence on the nomination of presidential candidates.  Congress can call it the “Dump Iowa and New Hampshire on their Cans Act”!

    Can I get a HELL YEAH!?!?  

    • Gregg

      HELL YEAH!?!?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      No way.  At least Iowa and NH helps vet candidates and eliminates nuts.

      btw – there would be NO Obama w/o Iowa.

      • Plain old Cory

        In the name of full disclosure, you all should know that “Worried for the Country” holds dual residency in Iowa and New Hampshire. 

    • margbi

      HELL YEAH1!?!?

      • Modavations

        double hell ya.Let’s use the English method and have a publically financed,2 month election.

  • Hidan

    compared to the rest of New England. It’s amazing that people think it matters or represents the vast bulk of America. L.A. alone has at least 6 times more people. Yet it’s still pushed as somehow representing America.  Most americans are chilling in diners there instead working

    Live free or die of toll taxes and all the other nickle and dime ways the state taxes people. The only upside to the state is fireworks. 

  • Hidan

    Mitt Romney the Gordan Gekko of our times. Except people actually liked Gordan Gekko. Even the majority of republicans don’t even like Mitt.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I think you meant Newt Gingrich not Mitt that the majority of Republicans don’t even like. Gekko is a fictional character a Moral Hazard guy.

    • Newton Whale

      Mitt identifies with Gekkos:
       “If you watch on TV, the little animal, little gecko? You see these guys competing hard for your business.”

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romneys-money-problem/2012/01/09/gIQARWgamP_story.html 

    • Modavations

      Don’t make blanket judgements,espec ially when you’re a Democrat.I don’t like Mitt one bit,but many do!!!

  • Plain old Cory

    Disqus is publishing my whole name again.  Would anyone like my address, phone number, and names of my children while we are at it?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      use your Yahoo or Tweeter account to post comments.

      • nj

        Don’t need any stinkin’ account. One can post without registering anywhere. One has to write in one’s e-mail each time one posts, but it seems to avoid problems such as Mr. Cory is having.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      It’s happened to me.  I don’t know if it is a hacker, or Disqus problems.  I kind of figured it was a hacker trying to intimidate me,  or cause me problems. 
         The two times, SO FAR, that I have been denied commenting, were about the same.  I did nothing, that was NEAR as bad as comments left on board.
         Good Luck getting it fixed, and keeping it fixed!

      • Modavations

        You see things through rose colored glasses.Most of the time I find you an offensive whiner and evidently the judges at NPR did too.I was banned once.Big deal.

        • Brett

          So…wagging a finger at name calling and admonishing those who engage in such (in some opportunistic moment of feigned moral high ground) CAN peacefully coexist with actually calling people names! Is hypocrisy the new moral high ground, son?

          • Modavations

            I never personally call people names.I will never call you idiot,dummy,troll,wag,Einstein,poopsie,etc,.I will call Democrats in general,communist-socialists and rascist.

          • Anonymous

            Interesting perspective, but it’s a tad skewed.

          • Modavations

            Thank you.You made a post with an intellectual p[oint and didn’t call me a name

    • Plain old Cory

      It has been fixed.  Thanks On Point troubleshooters.

    • Modavations

      Dude we all know you”re Cory W and we’ll protect..There’s only one Stalker on this forum and you know who he is

  • Brett

    Newt’s 15 minutes were up just after the holidays, as predicted/expected (he’s probably running just to increase his fees for speaking engagements anyway–and to make some bucks for his newt.org consortium). Sanatorium’s 15 minutes are just about over (he won’t win, place or show in NH; and, in SC, they prefer their culture warriors to be Baptist, not to mention their governor has endorsed Romney). Both Paul and Hunstman have gained some momentum in NH…It’ll be Romney, Paul and Huntsman in NH (it’s better to “box” your bets on who will be two and who will be three, on this, so call your bookies early, folks). Romney will win SC, as well, suprisingly, considering there really aren’t any Romneylins in SC, they just will realize what FoxNation hasn’t yet: Romney will be the GoP’s candidate, so they’d better get behind him.   

  • Gregg

    Go Newt!

    • Brett

      Supplies are diminishing, but you can still get a bumper sticker or a button for $3 @ newt.org! Nothing’s free (even boosterism)! 

      • Gregg

        I’ve already got my button and bumper sticker.

        • Modavations

          General G,commander of the liberated middle states.Take some advice,if you don’t want your car “keyed”,don’t use a bumper sticker with an republican name on it.We are dealing with the infantile

          • Gregg

            Thanks, but I was just joking. My ol’ pick-up has 2 bumper stickers. One says, “No Farms No Food” and the other, “I Don’t Believe The Liberal Media”. After the election I’ll probably go to a fishing themed bumper.

          • Modavations

            In not so tolerant Boston, they’d blow your car up.They think the media is objective.90% of journalists say they are Dems.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Newt has gone off the rails with his attacks on free market and capitalism.  The irony is he was on the board of directors of LBO firm.  He is peddling in political opportunism of the worst kind and it reaffirms his unstable leadership.

      • Modavations

        I find him as offensive as the current White House occupant.

  • Gregg

    The Presidential race isn’t the only game in town in 2012. It will be interesting to see how things shake out in the House and Senate. There are stars rising in the West.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/01/mia-b-love-a-conservative-political-star-rises-in-utah/

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Over 300 Million U.S. Citizens to choose from.
        Remember that ‘W’ was the BEST they had to offer!
        Sorry, if this doesn’t inspire you for the country’s future.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      You could say the same about Obama who has the thinnest resume of any President in memory.

      • Modavations

        In my opinion the worst president ever.I find the guy a total fraud.Anyone ever find his SAT’s?.Anyone ever find a paper he wrote while at Harvard?Publically he said “feliz cinco de quatro”.Has there ever been a legitimate Harvard student that doesn’t speak at least one foreign language.

        • Anonymous

          What? Nice, lets insult all Harvard grads and current students. How does speaking a foreign language equate to a negative? Huntsman speaks Chinese.

          • Anonymous

            Mitt speaks French.  That will lose him votes in the red states.

          • Modavations

            He’ll get the gay vote

          • Modavations

            Personally I don’t call you names.Personally I don’t call anyone on the forum names.I speak three languages.Must I repeat in French and Spainish.Wait I speak descent Italian.I speak 3.5 languages

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Maybe you could try Mandarin like Huntsman.

      • Still Here

        He had a thin resume for a community organizer.

  • MarkVII88

    Who do your panelist think Mitt Romney really is?  Is he a REAL presidential candidate, is he just another multi-millionaire looking out for his own interests and those of others like him, or is he the typical white male alternative for those who don’t like a black president?  What makes him special in any way?

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Why do bring up race?

    • Common Sense

      For most he’s the unObama as Obama was the unBush.  Politics lately is about voting for the lessor of two evils.

      • Ray in Johnson

        Vote Chtulhu:  when you’re sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.

  • John

    Mitt is a prime example of the criminal elites kind of guy.

    Go for it because Americans are going to give you the revolution you fear when you do put the puppet of TPTB in place.

  • Common Sense

    Byron York is the only voice of sanity on this panel.

  • AC

    I wish Ben Franklin was still alive and running…….he’d have my vote.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Franklin was a cool dude and he was smart enough not to run even in his time.

      • Ray in Johnson

        Even if he were alive and foolish enough to run for office, I’m not sure that a guy who at times described himself as a polytheist would get elected many places here in the U.S. today.

        • AC

          i’m sure he’d change it to ‘agnostic’. same thing…..

        • Modavations

          Any dude who lands the gig in Paris and spends the duration chasing babes,is cool in my book

          • Ray in Johnson

            The guy knew what it took to schmooze and get access.  Adams, I recall, really disliked it, but it worked.

    • Modavations

      After 12 yrs of Washington DC,he’d too would be corrupt.Washington and the Gentlemen Farmers, had it right.Serve a few terms,then back to the farm.

    • Joe

      If Ben was alive I bet he would only vote for Ron Paul.  Ron Paul is the only one defending the founding fathers. 

      • AC

        no way – Ben was a thinker – Ron Paul is an extremist who can’t foresee the consequences of his rantings…to quote Ben “Any fool can criticize, condemn & complain – and most fools do”

        • Joe

          AC, he also said this:  “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.”

          Ron Paul is the champion of the constitution and is the only candidate trying to restore our individual liberties.

          What don’t you like about the good doctor?

          • AC

            I absolutely agree with that quote. Everytime I take my shoes off at the airport I grumble it….
            from his website – the main reason i think he’s on the wrong path:
            “Cuts $1 trillion in spending during the first year of Ron Paul’s presidency, eliminating five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), abolishing the Transportation Security Administration and returning responsibility for security to private property owners, abolishing corporate subsidies, stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars, and returning most other spending to 2006 levels”

          • Joe

            Well lets look at the first department. 
            Department of Education-  This was signed into law in 1979.  Since that time we have more than doubled the cost per student but the results have been poor.  We trail in every category on a world wide basis.  If the D of E was effective our results should have been positive not negative. 

            Ron Paul is pro education but too much is spent on this wasteful department.  We could achieve better results if we left the curriculum up to the states.  If we don’t have to pay the federal government for this service the states can increase taxes to pay for the difference.

            Most educators will tell you that standardized testing is a waste of time and doesn’t measure intelligence…it measures your ability to take a standardized test.

          • Joe

            TSA has never caught a terrorist.  They are abuse our civil liberties with their intrusive pat downs.  If the x-ray machines are good enough for stored luggage shouldn’t they be good enough for carry-ons? 
            When I fly I cringe when I have to go through their cancer scanners or submit to a thorough pat down.
            http://www.naturalnews.com/034567_TSA_body_scanners_cancer.html

          • AC

            I’m sure they had fanatics in the 18th century, i think they’ve gotten worse. it would be interesting to know his perspective given the modern variables…

          • Joe

            He was for very limited government.  Monetary, military and judiciary.  He is probably rolling over in his grave at the size of our federal government.

            Government is corrupt.  They are suppose to represent us….they don’t even read the bills they sign and leave us on the hook to apy for.

            Nice chatting AC……see you on the next message board.  I am going to support Ron Paul up in NH now.  (Ron Paul cured my political empathy)

          • AC

            really? mostly it inspires me to stay in shape!! lol

          • AC

            “the only thing more expensive than education is ignorance” guess who?? i’ve worked with teachers directly with my volunteer work & while there are political/philosophical differences in that dept, guess what? there are in my office & within my own family! That doesn’t mean the goal is not clear – & standardized testing is the only argument to make? That’s a whole show in itself, isn’t it, since it has a plus & a negative too….

          • Joe

            I too come from a family of educators.  Father, sister, 3 aunts and many close friends. 

            The quality of education was better before this department was funded.  Since that time our scores have dropped. 

            Why do we need it?  They are the ones who make  standardized testing mandatory.  Also, inclusion, which slows the learning process of the 95% of the class.

            I was a Psych major and we were taught that SAT’s, MCAST etc are a complete wast of time. 

            I believe that an educated populace is our best chance for prosperity.  Education is everything……I just don’t see the need for this department. 

          • AC

            this is what happens when you think it is still 300 years ago, skewed perspective, noble tho it may want to be.
            it is not meeting standardize testing ‘standards’ that shows how poorly we’re ranking with competing countries. it’s a bigger world & the US needs to be producing at least ‘average’ intelligence citizens….

          • Anonymous

            I like what he says about how bad the Patriot act and the current defense bill which really gives way to much power to the office of the president.  

            Ron Paul’s ideas seem to me to be based on some very naive views of the world. It’s as if he seems to think that by only having a defensive military nothing is going to happen.
            His views on health care are scary, at least to me.
            And he want’s to do away with almost every government agency. I kind of like having clean water and decent air to breath.

            The bottom line however is Ron Paul is to extreme to be nominated by the GOP let alone win a presidential election.

          • Joe

            I understand your fears but I think any other vote and we will have more of the same. 

            We do not need to be on the offensive until we are totally bankrupt…morally and financially.  The wars cost trillions and benefits the industries that do business in war time.

            We could use that money here at home.

            Government agencies are inefficient and ineffective. 

            Clean air and clean water have nothing to do with the EPA.  Enforcing property rights would effectively make the EPA redundant.

            The EPA looks the other way for the big boys.

            I think the media has done a good job of smearing Ron Paul and his ideas.

            Take a few minutes on Ron Pauls web page to view his answers to these topics. 

          • AC

            this is also not true. i know this one first hand.
            also:
            “He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money.”

          • Joe

            i dont understand you point…..please elaborate.

          • AC

            me too. i don’t know what i’d do if i was dependant on the ganges…..

          • Modavations

            ‘ve seen dead cows float by while people bathed

          • AC

            Ew.

        • Joe

          He also said…”Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

          Is it virtuous to bomb our ideas home?

          Is it virtuous to tax and spend our prosperity away?

          No question in my mind….Ron Paul is only candidate Franklin would support.

          Franklin knew the bankers were a threat to a free society.

      • nj

        Since Ben died before Charles Darwin, at least he wouldn’t care that Ron Paul doesn’t believe in the Theory of Evolution.

    • Scott B, Jamestown NY

      Ben would never make the Republican cut – He was an atheist and actually thought for himself.

  • Still Here

    I want to fire Obama.  Sounds like a Democracy to me.

  • Vanessa (Jamaica Plain, MA)

    Romney has great business experience, but I worry he doesn’t have the middle-class’s best interests at heart. It’s disheartening to hear him say (in any context) that he enjoys firing people. 

    Rick Santorum is too focused on social conservatism and New Hampshire is too close to liberal Massachusetts to be swayed by those sorts of arguments. If you want to win New Hampshire, you have to focus on the economy, health care and taxes.

    • Still Here

      Please don’t buy into Tom’s incredibly slanted narrative.  Romney wants choice when it comes to service-providers, in this context, insurance companies. 

      • Adks12020

        Tom actually explained that the quote was out of context.  Take out your partisan hearing aids and listen

        • Still Here

          Then why is he continually mis-quoting him.  And it wasn’t Tom it was Byron.  Guess you need to change the batteries.

  • AC

    i’m so convinced Newt’s role in all this is to promote Romney….

    • Still Here

      His super-PAC produced a 30-minute commercial that is totally anti-Romney.  Promotion like that he doesn’t need.

      • AC

        i really think it’s a sneaky way of setting him up to get independent/swing votes later on….

        • Still Here

          That’s a complicated and risky strategy. 

          • AC

            well, someone made me laugh the other day when i first speculated on this, saying Newt has an infantile sense of self – but i think he’s smart enough to know there is NO way he can win, so he’s doing favors….

        • Modavations

          Newt is a prime example of the Wash.corruption, that seduces once honest men.Term Limits please

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          In a perverse way Newt will help Romney.  If he the Bain experience is vetted completely now he will immunized for the general election.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      How is that?  Newt is on a scorched earth suicide mission.

  • Anonymous

    Romney can’t complain that his liking to fire people quote was taken out of context as his campaign said “We used that quote intentionally” when they quoted Obama out of context.   

    • Still Here

      Quote him accurately then, he said “service providers.”

      • Anonymous

        I think applying the Romney standard for quotes is fine for his quotes too. 

  • MarkVII88

    I don’t think Romney is the receptacle for “Mad as Hell” Republican sentiment.  I think Romney is the receptacle for “Rich as Hell” Republican sentiment.  How hard is it to convince yourself that Romney will do anything to help middle and lower income Americans? 

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Obama is rich as hell too. In fact, they all are.

      • Anonymous

        Well you have a point. However there is huge difference between being worth about $6 million, Obama, and being worth about of $202 million, Romney.

        • Still Here

          1% is 1%.  In any case, judging by how much Bill Clinton has made since leaving the WH, Obama will not be behind for very long. 

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Take out your crystal ball.  Will Obama go the Habit for Humanity route like Carter or the $200K speaking fee route like Clinton?

  • Anonymous

    If Romney likes to fire people, why did he take so long to fire the illegal aliens mowing his lawn?

    • Still Here

      He didn’t hire the illegals, he hired the company that hired them. 

      • Anonymous

        He could have fired the “service provider.”

        • Still Here

          Yes, after demanding to see their papers, right?
          He should do the same everytime he goes out to dinner.

          In any case, implicit in his firing the service provider is hiring a new one; let’s focus on that.  It’s equally relevant.

        • TFRX

          Reminds me of a recent ad where people say “I just fired my phone company”!

          (Vonage? Not sure.)

          For riffraff like you and I (no insult intended) it’s a fantasy of a power trip, getting to fire people. Nice to indulge in idly dreaming about, and something we don’t get to do hardly ever.

          Consider how many times do you get some idiot clerk at a store v. how many times do you demand to see the manager to get that clerk fired? That’s a pretty low ratio. I’d guess you have better things to do with your time than to chase that down every single time it happens.

          But, like that $10,000 bet, “I like to fire people” sounds something coming out of the mouth of a tin-eared quarter billionaire like Mitt Romney.

          • Bruce

            In my last job as a mid-level supervisor, I had to learn how to “fire” people.  It was the hardest and most unpleasant task I had to perform.  I always preferred to try salvaging an underperforming employee, and attempted corrective action/options like progressive discipline, training, coaching, etc. before resorting to termination.

            My point is that while Romney’s comment may have been taken out of context, given the numbers of unemployed among us, this remark along with the “pink slip” gaffe demonstrates just how shallow, callous and clueless Romney really is.

                   

          • TFRX

            (A good point–which I “liked”.)

            Now it’d be really fun if Mitt told us simultaneously that he liked to fire people and he was a compassionate conservative.

          • Modavations

            Talk about putting a gun in your mouth.I never liked Romney

          • Bruce

            I thought it was more like foot-in-mouth disease.

        • Modavations

          I live in Belmont(Mitt’s home town).Is there such a thing as a law abiding lawn service?.I speak spanish to my guys.I never ask if they’re legal and couldn’t care less.

  • Anonymous

    The blatant hypocrisy behind all political campaigns becomes evident when we see the Grand Old Parties candidates attacking Mitt Romney for free market behavior which is the essence of capitalism. Whatever they must say to further their place in the lineup, they’ll say. How anyone can be duped by politicians will always be a mystery. 

  • Bruce

    What was that on ABC last Sat. night?  I thought I had tuned in the Republican Candidates Debate, but what appeared on my screen was more like a rerun of the Wizard of Oz.  The contenders looked debate weary as if stumbling down the Yellow Brick Road until they finally reach the Emerald City where they have the following exchange with the Wizard:

    Mitt:  How can I create some distance between myself and the
            rest of the GOP field?
    Wiz:  I know, your victory in Iowa was underwhelming and you
            gained little or no bounce in the polls.  Perhaps this is
            because to most voters you put a definitive face on what
            free-market gurus call “creative destruction.”  That is, at
            Bain Capital you “created” fabulous wealth for yourself and
            other 1%ers while closing or “destroying” U.S. plants,
            laying off workers and shipping jobs overseas.  For most of
            us in the middle-class, you could say that you’ve been the
            Bain of our Existence.

    Rick S:  How can I use my surprising strength in the Iowa
             caucuses to catapult me to the nomination?
             I’m afraid your status as the not-Romney flavor of the
             month will be short-lived.  Your ardor as a religious zealot
             undoubtedly appeals to the flat-earth, evolution and
             climate change denying, anti-gay, anti-choice segment of
             the GOP formerly claimed by Michele B. and Rick P.  How-
             ever, your history as a Big Govt. conservative who
             supported record deficits and debt expansion under
             Bush II, will not sit well with the true fiscal conservatives
             in your Party, assuming there are any still left in the
             rotting carcass of the GOP.

    Ron:  How can I expand my support beyond a few Ayn Rand
            acolytes and brainwashed college kids?
    Wiz:  That may be problematic since you’ve never held a
            national or statewide office nor represented more than the
            half-million or so constituents in your Texas district.
            Furthermore, your ideas evoke 19th century America and a
            bygone era when small towns and rural communities domi-
            nated.  It’s as if you and your ilk have not awakened to
            the reality of contemporary society where most of the
            population resides in metropolitan areas containing most of
            the businesses, entrepreneurs, commerce, jobs, schools,
            research facilities, etc.–the engines that drive the
            economy.

    Wiz:  Who else is there?  Come forward.  I thought there were
            only three of you lost souls.  Speak up man.
    Newt: How can I reinvigorate my campaign?
    Wiz:  Wait until the primary in S.C. where the Tea Party-
            dominated GOP has elevated electoral politics to the level
            mud-wrestling and dog-fighting.  On that S.C. stage, you
            will be able to shine with a barrage of unseemly, negative
            attacks revealing your true character as the only real pit
            bull in the contest.  I can hear the audience now: 
            “YOU GO DAWG!”
           

    • Bruce

      Correct above: “Rick S.:   How can I use my strength…
                            Wiz:  I’m afraid your status as the not…”

  • Carlglanzman

    Bain Capital is an equity capital investor.   They buy controlling shares or total shares of companies, sift through the operations, decide which have growth potential, find those that will not survive long and take on debt in the process of buying.    They try to get some value from the investment by selling unprofitable operations, shutting down those which cannot be sold.  Debt generally is borne by the operations that can succeed.   The nature of this business is, that it gets the companies to finance the operations of the capital investment firm.   

    Bain throttles growth in the general economy, by increasing debt and withdrawing capital value.   However, the experience of winnowing the best from the underperforming operations is more business experience than Obama or any of his advisors have.

  • Carolyn

    This continues to trouble me: Americans claim we do not like “theocracy,” but all the “Christian values” talk makes me nervous.  It’s okay for a Christian-driven administration to run the country and the courts?  I am not against Christians, but the thought of the rabid type, with their seemingly narrow focus, scares the crap out of me. 

    • joe

      yea I agree.  Santorum says he is against a Theocratic government but he seems to want one here with his Christian rhetoric.

      • Carolyn

        If people could just be satisfied in their own minds with their own beliefs and not feel like they have to impose them on everyone else, we would all be better off.  We say the right stuff about democracy and liberty, but we do not do foreign or domestic policy as if those things really matter. I do not see a whole lot of proactive anything when it comes to how we are governed. It seems to me that politicians talk a good game until they get elected and then good intentions and good ideas evaporate.

        • Joe

          I trust Ron Paul and his voting record is impeccable.  I believe he is the only candidate who is canvassing for the people and not cooperate interests.  His largest donors are active military servicemen and women.  In fact, he has more support from them than all other candidates combined.  They know these wars are bogus and they want them to end.

  • John

    What is on parade here is the farce/tragedy that American democracy has devolved into.

    We are offered clowns and whores for the criminal rich to choose from (both sides) and are told we have the choice to choose our leader.

    You would do well to face the cold hard truth now Americans before you don’t recognize your country or your lives.

    Vote NO CONFIDENCE IN THE CORRUPT SYSTEM!

  • Vanessa (Jamaica Plain, MA)

    When push comes to shove, it boils down to who can beat Obama.

    The fact that the republicans are accusing Romney of being too much of a “moderate”, I think will turn out of be the best thing — perhaps the only thing – that will allow the republican to beat Obama in this election.  

    If the republicans have a prayer, they need to pick more of a moderate that can take votes away from Obama. Especially, a social moderate. 

    • Joe

      Ron Paul will take more votes from Obama than anyone.  He is the only antiwar candidate and is the only one with a consistent voting record.

  • Billy Fisher

    In this jungle of accusation and acrimony, the smartest Republican is probably whoever has his or her sights on 2016, rather than 2012.

    • Still Here

      I think that’s Huntsman.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      You mean 2020 because Obama is toast.

  • Vanessa (Jamaica Plain, MA)

    When push comes to shove, it boils down to who can beat Obama.The fact that the republicans are accusing Romney of being too much of a “moderate”, I think will turn out of be the best thing — perhaps the only thing – that will allow the republican to beat Obama in this election.  If the republicans have a prayer, they need to pick more of a moderate that can take votes away from Obama. Especially, a social moderate. 

  • Brian

    I am not a Rupublican, but I do hope Huntsman does well. He’s the only one who seems to be a statesman. I’d like to see my countrymen recognize this, and choose someone without sometimes dangerous and divisive opinions.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Huntsman seems like an OK guy but has run a horrible campaign.

      However, something is off with Huntsman’s presentation when he speaks.  I heard someone say yesterday that Huntsman’s presentation reminds them of Al Gore.  That critique resonates with me.  Huntsman comes across a bit pompous and lecturing.

    • AC

      my sister has lived and worked a lot in the far east & she HATED it, but the other day I mentioned Huntsman and she said she doesn’t trust him at all – apparently, he reminds her a lot of your typical Chinese politician, she says they’re called ‘yes-men’ & come across as very calm and well mannered, but are ruthless & manipulative. I don’t really know what she meant. I thought he was the best of the bunch too, but now i’m hesitant….

      • Steve

        This is cultural but unfamiliar to many Americans.

        Yes does not mean I agree with your argument, but rather I have heard you present it.

        It allows a “saving of face” for all conversants.

        Multiple affirmative responses are required to to gain accord.

      • Modavations

        Mandarins.The guys with the 5 inch finger nails.I love Hong Kong.

    • marjie from montreal

      i totally agree. i’m watching this whole train wreck from canada thinking “huntsman is the only reasonable person in the bunch!”

      • Modavations

        When the Boston Globe endorsed him he was finished.They should have endorsed Romney

  • It’s me

    In response to the woman who just called who met Romney at a college event…
    In my
    experience, politicians are typically charismatic, so don’t be fooled by their
    charisma.  Do your fact finding.  - Brianne 

     

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      I found her comments interesting.  Everyone complains that Romney’s problem is he has NO charisma (except in private).

      • Ray in Johnson

        He does seem pretty stiff on the stump, doesn’t he?

    • John in Amherst

      totally agree – charisma is the stock-in-trade of politicians and is totally separate from policy, intelligence, etc.  think W

      • TFRX

        Charisma? W?

        In whose book? We need a term, maybe “contact charisma”, in which a personal trait which the Beltway Inbreds decide someone has gets echoed throughout the media despite tons of evidence to the contrary.

        I got the impression of a simpering, snippy little Lord Fauntelroy.

        • John in Amherst

          I’m with you on that.  But a lot of folks seemed to be voting for (an albeit sober) fraternity president instead of national president.

  • John in Amherst

    As the primary schedule shifts toward the sunbelt, we are sure to hear more about “values voters”, and how their vote may affect the fortunes of the GOP field.  Labeling the social conservatives “Values Voters” instead of “conservative Christian evangelical voters who want to impose their views of god and morality on everyone” is getting irksome. The implication is that everyone who is not a “values voter” has no values, or has questionable or wrong values, or is wishy-washy because they feel their religious philosophy doesn’t necessitate imposing it on people’s private lives.  “Values Voters” may be convenient journalistic shorthand, but is a misleading and more than a little demeaning to everyone who does not agree with the Christian Right.  

  • Michiganjf

    Dems already know the entire Republican field is UNFIT for the Presidency…

    Now, Republicans themselves are making the argument that not a single Republican candidate is fit for office, in both campaign ads and on the stump!

  • Vanessa (Jamaica Plain, MA)

    I know it’s sad but..

    Huntsman doesn’t have enough money

    Santorum is too socially conservative to win independent votes

    Ron Paul’s plans are too drastic and risky.

    Perry isn’t intelligent enough to be taken seriously.

    Gingrich is too untruthworthy due to former behavior.

    Romney is the lesser evil of them all. No one is “enthused” about him, but the other candidates have no chance against Obama. 

    • JOe

      Ron Pauls plans are to end all illegal and immoral wars.  To prevent a preemptive strike on Iran.
      To restore our economy by balancing the budget that our children will inherit.
      To restore individual freedoms granted by the Constitution and Bill of rights.

      What is so drastic and risky about that?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUQ4XMTZ32OAXZSJHIWPBOOJ2I GH

        Those are slogans. No more or less  than any other politicians’ slogan.  My take on them would be different than yours for example.  Avoiding confrontation with Iraq has to be balanced against their pursuit of nuclear arms for instance.  Balancing the budget on the backs of the poor is not one of my goals and “freedoms granted by the Constitution and Bill of rights”  is as open to differing interpretations as “holy scripture”. 
        You have to believe that his actual proposals would have those results and many people doubt that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y6CO5C2HE4WM2OYGCDVWGPRXXM oldman

    The funny thing is I really don’t see much difference between Obama and Romney. Obama gave us 4 more years of business as usual in Washington, and if Romney gets elected it will be 4 years more.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUQ4XMTZ32OAXZSJHIWPBOOJ2I GH

      Obama had a lot of help first from the Democratically controlled congress (read; afraid of own shadow) that he had when elected and then from the Tea Party controlled congress after 2010.  Dems who are unhappy with the present mess need to take some responsibility for staying home in 2010.

  • Edistomarsh

    What about Buddy Roemer? Why isn’t anyone talking about this guy???

  • Ellen Dibble

    Go Huntsman.  If there were a national campaign between Obama’s approach and Huntsman’s approach, that would be so good.  So REAL.  It’s the debate we need.
        However, I hear that Huntsman has other positions (besides the economic and international, I guess) that people “would be shocked by,” and that disqualify him.  I guess I don’t care.   Even if he’s in favor of wrecking the environment, at least we’d have a real debate about getting business rolling in a positive way, working WITH the public sector, not against it.
        Does that sound like a Romney position?  Oh, I thought it was a Huntsman position.  (Hit me, I’m still half asleep.)

    • JustSayin

      Maybe Obama should drop Joe Biden, and take up Huntsman as vp.

      • Still Here

        The role of the VP is to attend other countries state funerals, or at least it is in this presidency.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Yup he’d get the Chinese vote.

        • JustSayin

          LOL Well, it would help to have someone who could converse with the real owners of America. 

        • Modavations

          He’d get the vote of Fax 68

      • TFRX

        If he wanted to get the WATB GOP on board, maybe he should take on Gingrich as VP, then Obama could resign the day after the second inauguration.

        I’m just playing to that familiar refrain our media goes into whenever a Democrat is elected to the White House: It’s time to include the opposition in every decision! It’d be un-American not to!

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      The irony is Huntsman is proposing the lowest income tax rates of 8%, 14%, and 23%.  Based on the comments here that proposal unacceptable to Democrat voters yet Huntsman seems to be doing best amongst Democrats.

      Do you thing the Democrats that support Huntsman have looked at his plan?

      • Still Here

        I think that’s a fair swap for eliminating tax deductions.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          I agree too but I’m wondering about Democrats.  They have been harping that 35% is too low and would be happy if it went up to 70%+.

          • TFRX

            Harping? Why not call it whining?

            And you need to study media’s false equivalence to acquaint yourself with how the media covers anyone who wants, say, Reagan-era tax rates. In the 80s that was manlymanrepubilcanism, today it’s squishy-washy communism.

            You can do better than swallowing the press’s tripe on this.

    • Modavations

      Ellen,Ellen,Ellen.Who are you kidding.You intend to vote for Obama twice

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    “Smallest slice” is code for “Not bat@#$%” entirely in denial of reality.”  If he wasn’t anti-pro-choice, and his tax ideas about eliminating all tax deductions, if I had to vote for a Republican (gun held to head)  it would be him.

  • DTK

    Advice to the campaigns of Gingrich et al.
    M Romney is the business descendent of hostile take overs, leveraged buy outs, and Michael Millken. No thanks.

  • SaraKY

    Too bad Huntsman doesn’t get more media attention. I’m voting for Obama, but Huntsman brings forth that sane, intellectual, healthy debate we NEED to develop ideas and progress. Instead we’re stuck with this debate fluff flooding the airways from the GOP that doesn’t care to address the fact they’re going after a job that requires representing an entire country, and not just their one, narrow view and belief.

  • EK1237952000

    I’m an indepedent.  Huntsman and Paul are the only Republican’s that I would vote for. 

    Paul is a wild card but he is still more desireable than the traditional Republican candidates. Paul has a great message; Lead by example and take care of our own business.

    Huntsman is the real conservative candidate that is also smart, articulate, and reasonable. 

    If the Republicans elect anyone else, they will lose.  You have a choice.  Anyone else is just more of the same.

    • Joe

      Ron Paul is the best chance we have of changing the direction of this country.  He is an incorruptible man who refused his government pension and has pledged if elected to take a $35k salary because that is the average income.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUQ4XMTZ32OAXZSJHIWPBOOJ2I GH

        His foreign policy positions especially in Iraq are a deal breaker for a lot of Republicans.  As a Democrat, IMO A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for big corporations. Paul will deregulate corporations and corporations will rape and plunder with abandon. (don’t worry, the free market will keep them honest). yeah right.If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, then after 30 years of (bi-partisan) deregulation, why would we think that the answer to our curent mess is to Bow to your corporate masters once again? 

  • Annie (Democrat-Nebraska)

    I can’t let the irony of an earlier caller’s comment go by, he characterized a vote for Romney as a vote for a 0ne percenter, and went on to extoll the virtues of Ron Paul, another one percenter! Therein lies one of the big problems with the Republican electorate.

    • Still Here

      They’re all one percenters, including Obama.  So what’s your point?

      • Modavations

        Billy C. is worth 100 million.Al Gore is worth 100 million

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Obama is one percent too.

    • Joe

      Gimme a break?  Ron Paul has voted to stop the corruption in Washington for thirty years!!  He refused a government pension because it is unfair to the tax payer.  He has voted against tax increases every time.  All the other candidates vote to increase spending to fatten their own accounts.

      • Modavations

        That’s the point.He’s bdeen a hack for 26 years

  • Annie (Democrat-Nebraska)

    I agree completely–very few, if any, legislators are not one percenters–then why make that issue an argument for either voting or not voting for someone?

    • Still Here

      People vote for and against candidates for all sorts of reasons; some based on policies and some not.  That’s what a democracy is all about.

      • Annie (Democrat-Nebraska)

        yes, and one’s arguments for voting for or against a candidate helps to signify one’s grasp of, or distance from, fact. (signing off now)

        • Still Here

          Facts are fungible.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Meaning that facts can be spun, to support your position? 
               Criminals and their attorneys do that ALL the time! 
                “That item jumped into my pocket, I didn’t steal it!”?

          • Anonymous

            Only if you are clueless.  Or spineless.

    • Ed Walker

      It isn’t that he is a 1%er. It’s how he got the money. Born to privilege, the best he could do was rape and pillage American manufacturing.

      • Worried for the country(MA)

        Ask the 100K workers at Staples and Sports Authority if they feel raped and pillaged.

        • Ed Walker

          You ask the steelworkers in Kansas City how they feel.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Only in economies like the Soviet Union do you have ‘guaranteed’ employment. How did that work out?

            I’m sure Bain wanted that steel company to succeed.  They had many other companies that did succeed and grow.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Ratio of sucesses to bankruptcies? 
               Company debt acquired, compared to Bain profits?

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Isn’t the free market and business growth driven by profits?

            This was the attempt to make businesses more efficient and profitable.  It wasn’t wall street market manipulation like Soros’ hedge fund did with the pound Sterling.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            No, some corporate raiders get the profitable company, put it into debt, then take the raiders’ profit, and let the company’s employees suffer!  They are referred to as Vulture Capitalists, by some.  Victims have worse names for them!

          • TFRX

            You’re sure?

            Success for workers is defined as something else than success for vulture capitalists.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUQ4XMTZ32OAXZSJHIWPBOOJ2I GH

          Ever worked in a retail chain for low wages, little or no benefits and not enough hours??  My guess is they’d say at the very least badly molested.

          • Modavations

            Save your money,open a business like the rest of us did.My first job was a shelf stocker at A&P Newton Center,Ma.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            That’s opening a business?

      • TFRX

        Actually, his dad was a pretty stand-up guy. He ran American Motors, the most bubble-gum and bailing-wire automaker on these shores, and made a go of it. Took some gumption working with hand-me-down engines from the Big Three and spending $25k every year to redesign your cars. A shoestring margin for error.

        If only Mitt had some of that grit.

  • Adks12020

    The only Republican I would consider voting for is Huntsman…too bad I most likely won’t be given that choice in the general election.  If it’s anyone else I will have no choice but to vote for Obama again.  I prefer to have a choice but if it’s between Romney, Gingrich or Santorum and Obama there really isn’t much of a choice.

  • Ed Walker

    It is silly to suggest that conservatives care about the deficit. They reelected Reagan who ran up trillions in debt. They elected HW Bush who ran up tons of cebt. They re-elected W. Bush after he ran up enormous deficits.

    Whenever you hear someone say they care about the deficit, ask them if they support increasing taxes on rich people and middle class people. If they say no, they don’t care about deficits.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      We fired those Republicans, starting in 2010 and we will continue in 2012.

      • Ed Walker

        The only deficit you care about is the one run up by the democrats? How does that qualify as a rebuttal to my point?

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          No.  I decried the deficits run up by Bush.  I was screaming when Cheney was out there saying deficits don’t matter.

          Bush added $5T to the debt in 8 years.  He worked with the democrats on an unfunded prescription drug liability.  This is all horrible.

          Obama is much worse.  He’s added $5T in 3 years.

          It is all bad.

          • TFRX

            Uh, business cycle? Keeping the entire thing from dropping off a cliff? As bad as things got since 2007, you can’t imagine them being worse?

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Of course Obama was dealt a bad hand.  Did he make things better or worse with his policies?  That will be debated.

            I was simply stating the debt problem.  If Obama had adopted some form of Simpson-Bowles I would have a different opinion of him.

          • Still Here

            No elected official on the Commission voted for it, I think we know why.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            I don’t think that is right.  I think they got 8 votes.  I remember Tom Coburn was one of them and there were some democrats too.

          • Still Here

            Could be, I thought I recalled that only retired elected officials voted for it.

          • TFRX

            Ask real economists, and maybe you’ll tire of your “teach the controversy” niche.

            Aw, who am I kidding.

            And Simpson-Bowles was stacked with Catfood Commissioners, and didn’t release anything. They couldn’t get the answer you wanted even when the fix was in.

          • Modavations

            Obama volunteered.You guys talk like we Shanghaied him!!!!!

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUQ4XMTZ32OAXZSJHIWPBOOJ2I GH

            Not to mentions 2 friggin wars.  If the dept had gone down in Obama’s first term then I’d have had to take another look at  that whole Messiah meme the R’s were so fond of in the 2008 election.
            Loaves and fishes indeed.

          • TFRX

            If the Navy SEALS killed bin Laden, and Qaddafi were overthrown, under Shrub’s watch, some GOP shocktroops would have immediately started carving his face on Mt. Rushmore.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Don’t you know Bush trained those SEALs?

          • TFRX

            Nice to know he did something after going AWOL from his Champagne unit for Vietnam.

          • Anonymous

            Bush is a trained seal?  I don’t think he can balance anything.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      You are wrong about taxes and deficits.

      The new GOP vision to control deficits is to cut spending from the 24.6% of GDP today to the historically typical spending rate of 18% of GDP and grow the economy with pro-growth tax policies.

      They believe you can increase revenues by ‘broadening the base’ and lowering rates.  Broadening the base means reducing deductions and loopholes and that generally hurts the wealthy.

      • TFRX

        I’ll believe the GOP’s vision when they propose a balanced budget.

        They had eight years of a Shrub-fluffing press and all the propping up of his image one could want, and he ended up the least popular (with voter approval) and lowest rated (by historians) prez in over a century.

        What can have changed, especially when the Teaparty bunch of “jobs is job N+1 after we attack the gays, lesbians, women and immigrants” have done bupkus in two years?

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          You are correct.  We need to hold them accountable.

      • Anonymous

        Dick Cheney said that Reagan proved deficits don’t matter. 

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Cheney was dead wrong.

          • Anonymous

            He usually was. 

          • TFRX

            But he was right, in media terms, for six years. Then the cratered, smoking wreck was handed off to the next guy. And isn’t that’s all that matters?

          • Still Here

            Wasn’t this in relation to election results?  What elections did deficits impact?

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            2010 with the rise of the TEA party.

          • Still Here

            So it’s a fairly recent phenomenon.

          • Worried for the country(MA)

            Only in recent memory.  Deficits were a big deal in the 80′s and 90′s, too.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Cheney was wrong, 4,400 U.S. millitary are the dead, along with thousands of Iraqi children, women, and men!  Did Cheney pay? 

          • Modavations

            Friggin Humans!!!!

        • Modavations

          Cheney said Iraq would cost 80 Billion

    • http://twitter.com/truebunk Jesse L. stewart

      This economic debate doesn’t start with Reagan.

      • TFRX

        Yes, but the direct line keeps getting drawn for the public that way.

        The mainstream media’s memory–therefore, almost everyone’s in politics–is this: Before Reagan was an unmitigated disaster with nothing worth saving. Then they give Reagan birthrighteous props for being a tax-cutter (who raised taxes about a dozen times) and being fiscally responsible (while never submitting a balanced budget).

        The GOP has drifted so far to the right that Reagan’s rates and policies and rhetoric (even considering the racist dogwhistles) are weird socialismy stuff now.

  • Sandy Untermyer

    I will NOT vote for Obama. Unfortunately, the GOP candidates are nobody I could support, either. 

    What your pundits seem to ignore: The longer the GOP contest goes on, the higher Obama’s ratings go. Also, if you add all the GOP candidates together, they poll about as high as UFO believers. (Check it out!)

    Sandy Untermyer
    Appling GA

  • Dee

    Why is anyone listening to the GOP, again? 

    Those delusional candidates who helped crashed our economy into a ditch and refused to help Obama pull it out. Then they have the audacity to tell American workers and homeowners 
    they should accept cut backs in government program while their “job creators” continue to fill their pockets with tax payers revenue and loopholes….

    As Bob Herbert asked in his 2009  NYT column Why are people 
    still listening to the Republicans again? I agree they should be  in Rehab not running for elective office again….Dee

    The Same old Song , Bob Herbert, New York Times …….
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/opinion/27herbert.html?_r=1

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Does anyone still read the NYT?

      • TFRX

        In the real world, the Times, with all its warts (Douthat, Brooks, Friedman), is a tastemaker.

        People further down the media chain take a lot of Times’ coverage as officially acceptable limits on how left-ward an idea can be seriously considered. The rightward limit is not known to exist.

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          Gee I thought you would have described Krugman and Keller as a wart.

          • Still Here

            More boils actually.

          • TFRX

            Like I said, in the real world…

          • Modavations

            Goggle P.Krugman and look up what the NYT’s first ombudsmen said of Krugman.A total fraud was the gist

        • Modavations

          read the editorial pg of NYT,then WSJ,then decide

          • TFRX

            Keep blowing, Foghorn.

          • Modavations

            What does that briing to your argument.Fellow citizens,can you believe this man is in his 50′s or 60′s

      • Modavations

        I do,for comic relief.We play a game called guess what the editorial pg. will talk about tonight

      • Anonymous

        Name a better source of world-wide news.   We’re not talking opinion, we’re talking facts.  It’s similar to the reasonable fact reporting by the WSJ, whose editorial page is downright loony.  It’s almost like the editorial writers don’t even read the rest of the paper.

    • Carolyn

      Maybe you are not aware of that movement (and perhaps I use that term derisively) known as the TEA Party. You might not be aware of the massive rightward movement of the Congress or the gridlock that arose from that shift. People are listening because they are frustrated. Some listen in adoration and others listen with great trepidation. Listening and thinking are good things. It is what a democracy is built upon — at least, I believe that is what they are built on. For now, we still get to vote and make a choice. The choices aren’t unlimited but we do get to choose. I don’t go GOP, but that’s just me.

      • Still Here

        There was gridlock before the shift and the shift is still happening.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        A democracy reqiures an informed and intelligent electorate to thrive. We no longer have either. Or a thriving democracy.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I don’t like the GOP but I like Romney to run for the GOP.
      Some people just don’t think about the past. because being naive is dangerous.

      • Anonymous

        I know why you like Romney,  he is the republican closest to Obama!  Obama even hired some of his staff to build Obamacare!

        • Worried for the country(MA)

          You don’t buy that do you?  There is a Democrat MIT professor (Grubner) who consulted on Romneycare and then worked on Obamacare.  He also continues to be paid by the Feds on healthcare.  He isn’t an objective observer.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          You rather pay health insurance that will cost a fortune. did you research Japan, Britain, France or Germany? to see why they cost a fraction compared to 15 percent that the us government spent every year. Japan believe it or not has no Medical bankruptcy neither Germany or France. I like Mitt because he looks norman and polite compared to newt or that old fart doctor.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

          Please drop the stupid right wing Republican code word crap of Obamacare. Is it so worn and cliche, and such a LIE.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Exactly. The Republican party should be banned. Just as was done to the Baa’thist party in Iraq.

      • Modavations

        Are you a friggin dictator.You want to hang people without trial and now you want to ban people from participating in legitimate democracy.You should apply for warden at Dachau(?).Hey Jeffe,NJ,Terrry T,you guys are pikers compared to this one.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

          And a pink star for you….. 

    • Anonymous

      Didn’t Obama and the dems have control of all three branches of government for 2 years?  They could pass any bill they wanted, and what did they spend 2 years doing to help the economy?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        if you are so smart run for congress, senate or the presidency.

      • TFRX

        First: Uh, no.

        Let’s tour the Senate. I’ll show you Norm (Loser) Coleman’s fingernails still embedded in the door jamb months after Al Franken defeated him.

        And anytime you want to talk about “60 is the new 51″, be my guest.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    The Main Issues are Jobs and the Economy.

    Whoever is going to be the President must solve these 2 Major Problems.

    It doesn’t matter who will win the Presidential election of 2012 Mitt or Obama.

    He should save the middle class as soon as possible. if not we will see the dragon of Asia spitting it’s fire all over America.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Now the Chinese have the capability to built buildings in 2 to 15 days max. They shown it to the world on You Tube
       
      That is a big concern for all of us. They already dominating manufacturing and now they are trying to dominate the construction industries all over the world with better design buildings.

      America is left out!!!!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdpf-MQM9vY

        here’s the 15 day building

      • Anonymous

        Chinese quality = crap 

        I have been there and their infrastructure is crap too.  It is built fast and cheap and needs replaced every few years, and not every few decades like in the US.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          Those crap is laughing all the way to the bank. swallow your American pride. it doesn’t work nowadays. i wonder where your shirt and shoes are made?

          • Modavations

            Ask me if I’d get on a Chinese bullrt train.My reply,I’ll hitch hike

        • Anonymous

          The market that you so worship says you are dead wrong.  If their products are so bad, why does everyone buy them?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          I agree about the poor quality.  Add that to the dangers of the way they make them, and the materials!

  • Gilscottheron

    I find your coverage laughable as if Obam who has destroyed as many civil liberties as Bush and continues withthe war machine oversees the CFTC and SEC who allow banks to run roughshod over the American Electorate is any better than some other GOP idiot.  The onpoint NPR team is acting like a smug bunch of over educated rodeo clowns.

    How are we better off with the current administration of Yale and Harvard idiots running the show unemployment out of control the printing presses running at full tilt debts equal to the entire GDP. Opportunity are what offered from our new economy pizza delivery at Dominios or  food stamps from Obama

    We would be better served by a new party that would set regulations for bankers we have MF global robbing farmers while regulators are busy looking under sofa cushions for the lost money Obamas  administration has not prosecuted any of the bankers who ankled the nation the SEC continues to levy small time fines and allows banks to never  admit guilt pay a weak fine cost of doing business pay off some graft. and rip off the public. we cannot continue down this path as Washington continues to clamp down on our civil liberites they want a switch to shut down the entire web all at once WTF?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Some good points you have!

    • Bob Garcia

      So will you be voting for president this fall?  If so, for whom?  If not, what are you proposing to do instead?

      I agree that Obama may be the lesser of two evils, when comparing the Dems to the GOP.  But it seems that it may be far easier to push a 2nd-term Obama to initiate Washington reforms than a 1st-year Romney, who has alo pledged to turn back Obama’s healthcare initiative.

      Let’s take a cue from Occupy Wall Street and keep steering  the agenda towards real people-oriented solutions that rewrite the rules of the game that politicians have accepted as unchageable.  WE are the government.  WE are the change.  NOT any politician promising reform or change.

      My point is that allowing the election of any GOP candidate at this point is a big step backwards.  Let’s keep pusing the agenda. starting with the Dems to enact those changes we all want and need.

      • Anonymous

         

        If you have an internet provider that only has slow intermittent internet connections at a cost of $200 per month, wouldn’t you like the ability, and freedom to change providers?

        I would like to be able to fire a company that provides me a any good or service that is inferior or overpriced and that is why Obamacare is bad for America. 

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          You’re one of the reason why Obama care is having a hard time.

          • Modavations

            I’m reason #2.They said it would reduce cost.My Blue Cross went up 42% in 2 years.They said it would reduce walk ins into Emergency rooms.The Boston Globe said there has been no reductions and #’s might have gone up.My doctor was a Dem.5 years ago and when finding out that I’m a righty said he was going to use two fingers when probing my prostate.Today he’s a republican.TTT this is not a “J”

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            yOUR DOCTOR is one of the reason of the raise of health care in America. In Britain doctors money because they get a bonus from the government if they keep their patients healthy. In America the more sick you are the better for yor doctor, pharma, insurance HMOs and Hospitals. believe me I have been a medicare reimbursement specialist for almost 10 years now and I know what is going on in the health care world.

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

            Fee for service….

          • Anonymous

            In GB the physicians are on the government payroll. The fees are set. They do well mind you, the average salary is about 125k a year.

          • Anonymous

            Really, please explain this!?!

            If you are saying Freedom loving Americans are the problem, I guess you are right!

        • Anonymous

          The problem ain’t who to fire.  It’s who are you going to replace them with, which is a necessity with the example of health insurance that Romney used. 

        • Terry Tree Tree

          For another internet provider, with the same, or just different problems, with hidden costs, or an arbitration clause, which prevents you from getting better service?

          • Anonymous

            I would rather have the freedom to choose than be forced to have no choice like the Obamacare bill results in!

        • Anonymous

          Actually most people don’t have a choice.
          I only have two, Comcast or Verizon where I live in Boston. Both suck. Comcast is the worst and they are more expensive than DSL. Verizon is a huge corporation and it seems to me that the way things are now it’s more or less we are dealing with monopolies.  Obama’s healt care bill is a joke but it’s better than nothing.
          By the way the mandate was a republican idea from the 90′s. You really need to read up on this stuff.
          Single payer and real reform of the entire system is what is needed. We have to change the fee for service model, and tort reform also needs to be addressed.
          I also see the need for medical school to free or some kind subsidy to offset the cost of so many years in school.

          • Anonymous

            Your statement is very confusing.  

            You think people don’t currently have a choice but don’t have any evidence of this other than you have a choice and sound like you would like to be able to have another option for an internet provider.  Couldn’t you tell that I was using internet provider in place of health care insurance?  It sounds like you are pro internet provider free choice but don’t want to have a choice for healthcare provider, and insurance company?  Why do you want internet freedom but not healthcare freedom?

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        Well said.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    We still talking about Taxes while there are no Jobs out there. Yes there are Jobs in Mcdonald’s?

    How about innovations and inventions?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Corporations have a LOT of ways to get them, or stiffle them!  Just like corporations and GREEDY rich can easily take the best of any ideas!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    If you watch Vanguard Tv.You will see the people of the Occupy Movement – who they are and where they are from.

    Remember the Media never showed the true nature of the movement. From students to the Business owners of America

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Most meida is owned by large corporations….why would you expect the truth from those folks?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        It is Nuetral and own by Al Gore. “wink”

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          I meant neutral.

    • Anonymous

      Several websites did show the number of arrests, assaults, rapes, and other character traits of this leaderless and rudderless group we call Occupy!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        That’s what you want to read and hear. That’s your own pathetic prespective.

        it took almost 2 decades for the Civil Rights movement to succeed just remember that.

  • AC

    i was just thinking about all this while in the background, i keep hearing repubs/dems. reps/dems. right/left. repubs/dems…over and over & it struck me; people of the future studying us will think we were a bunch of reactionary drama queens…..i’m embarrassed of ourselves :)

    • Anonymous

      Without labels how will anyone know if they are standing next to a socialist, progressive, racist, or other…

      • AC

        by our actions?

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Never had a preacher exposed as a pedophile, cheat, or thief?   Did they act that way before?  The congregation just wanted that type for a leader of their morals?

          • AC

            ? What do you mean?

          • Modavations

            I ask that daily

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You can only tell about someone by their actions, AFTER they perform some action.   Sometimes that is too late. 
               How many would appoint a preacher or priest that they KNEW was a pedophile?

          • AC

            Yes, I agree this is a valid truth, but I’m still confused by how it fits in the context of the previous discussion? Are you implying a person receive a label like pedophile BEFORE any indication or crime is committed? Who could wield such a power? this seems like a dangerous idea…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        You are one of them.

      • Modavations

        They shouldn’t have D or R on the ballots.That would force they lazy to study the canidate

  • Anonymous

     Bush trained those SEALS??????

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      /sarc off.

    • Modavations

      My hypothesis….The generals came into the Oval Office,told Pres.Obama we know where Bin Laden is.The Pres. said let me think on it and form a commitee.The generals said we’re going in tommorrow with or with out you.Obama then said I order you to grease him

      • TFRX

        Stop making shite up.

        Actually, that should be a script for everything you write in these pages.

        • Modavations

          Excuse me.Did you not see the word hypothesis

          • TFRX

            Hypothesis means “best educated guess”, right?

            Your best educated guess is just an excuse for you to come thisclose to calling Obama a girl, because you think that he’s either a wimp or a tyrant. Which one depends on what your faulty media pumps into your puke funnel this hour.

            I wouldn’t trust you to read me directions for disarming a bomb. Your track record of just coming in and bloviating with next to nothing in your skull is pretty apparent.

          • Modavations

            Temper,temper.Actually it’s after 10:00 AM,let ‘em rip.Did you ever hear the rumors about the order to shoot,when the pirates had those gringos ho0stage on their sailboat.

          • TFRX

            I want whatever you’re imbibing which tells you my non-verbal cues and vocal intonation.

            You hear a lot of rumors which are for crap, I’ll bet. I wouldn’t follow you out of a burning building

          • Anonymous

            No you deserve as much abuse as one can dish out.
            I think you think you’re witty and I imagine you sitting there smirking at your latest bloviation but the truth is you come across as a complete wanker.  

          • Modavations

            I had a girl friend in Joburg who used to tell me Wank,wank,money in the bank

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Mercury hallucinations?  AGAIN?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Just as he landed the ASW plane on the aircraft carrier!

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    China: Knock Knock
     
    America: Who’s there?
     
    China: China.
     
    America: China Who?
     
    China: Do you want to borrow more money to save your economy?
     
    America: Sure
     

    • Modavations

      Heard it yesterday and it still makes no sense

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        for people who doesn’t make no sense will never underdstand it.

  • Modavations

    Bain has contributed more to Obama then Mitt.Wall St. gives to the Democrats,twice as much as Reps.Why????They’re all crony capitalists.Fascism is when the economy stays in private hands,but the pols.control the owners

  • Meganliggett

    What about Buddy Reomer?

    • Meganliggett

      If you are all upset with how the media is portraying each candidate, maybe you should look up Buddy. Anti-PAC, he won’t take a donation over 100 dollars in order to serve real people as president and not corporations..Ron Paul? No. Buddy Roemer? yes.
      Why have you not heard of him? The media is scared that the messages that you would hear from them would weaken their wallets..

  • Anonymous

    The NH anti-helmet crowd will vote against Newt based on wife number three’s haircut.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Come on.  Keep it on the candidates, not the spouses.

  • Fred Bates

    Misinformed
    voters are the reason for the Red to Blue shift in New Hampshire. As
    a resident of Derry New Hampshire I am angry at misinformed voters
    who get their “information” from FOX news and Rush
    Limbaugh. In a quick search for a Rush Limbaugh’s sound bite I found
    on 10/14/11 Limbaugh said President Obama was sending troops to
    Africa to kill Christians.
    Often misinformed voters make vague comments of how
    they ‘like’ one candidate and ‘hate’ another without any reference to
    any facts motivating their votes. When interviewed by National Public
    Radio, these voters are not asked for what facts they are taking into
    account. Yet when voters are interviewed and they say things like
    taxing the rich will harm ‘job creators’, or we can not afford a
    federal deficit the press, including National Public Radio, fails to
    ask them to back up their opinions with facts. The result? In an
    effort to appear impartial, NPR can be uninformative.

    Any introductions to journalism class will instruct
    reporters to not contribute their views to their stories. However,
    when NPR and the media at large continue to not expose
    misinformation, they in fact are contributing to the story of the
    misinformed voters by perpetuating this ignorance.

    • Gregg
      • Modavations

        Now do you lefties get what I’m talking about when I say school vouchers?

        • Hidan

          Nope,

          explain. Something to do with blacks?

        • Brett

          Yeah, we do. You send your kids to private school and want a price break, er, voucher, to cover part of the cost to save you some money…we get it. 

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Good one!  I’m not sure the guppy and Moda have a school of little guppies? 

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Where is the Rush Limbaugh quote about sending troops to Africa, to kill Christians?   I want more to bring up to Rush supporters.

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Maybe they were misinformed by reading the Globe editorial page or watching comrade Chris on MSNBC.  Then the economy went in the tank and they had to cancel cable and the newspaper subscription so they weren’t brainwashed by the leftist news media.

    • Dilemma

      here, here!  all these folks in Congress were’nt just parchuted in thru the Capital Dome, they were elected by the voters, to paraphrase Barny Frank.

  • Anonymous

    Two years from now either Mitt Romney or Barack Obama will be finishing his first year of the 2009-2013 presidential term. If Romney is president and the country is doing wonderfully, Democrats will kill themselves trying to find a way to deny it. They will say Romney’s success is due to policies set in place by the Obama administration. They will argue with whatever numbers Republicans put forth to demonstrate the value of Romney’s leadership, regardless of the truth of those numbers. If, however, Romney is failing miserably, the GOP will blame the lousy hand he was dealt by the Obama administration. They will say it’s too soon. Change takes time, a claim they refused to accept from Obama.        Two years from now, if Obama is president and the country is chugging along just fine, the  Republican Party will continue it’s efforts to thwart his success at all costs. They too will be unable to admit to an opposing parties effectiveness. But, If the country is mired in a Jimmy Carter-like malaise, the Republicans will vilify Obama’s leadership, as they should, after five years of poor economic performance. Democrats, on the other hand, will stubbornly refuse to admit that he hasn’t done the job.     What all this says is ideology trumps results in this country. In the political world neither participants nor observers care about what ideas work. They care only that “their” ideas work. It’s why Democrats will always try to force failure upon Republican administrations and Republicans will always do the same to Democratic Presidents, the welfare of the country be damned. This kind of inflexible, dogmatic thinking is what’s turned Congress into a dysfunctional horror show.         In two years many, but thankfully not all, of the people who post to this board will refuse to give credit where it’s due or condemnation where it’s deserved if it clashes with their core beliefs.  This country will never live up to whatever potential it possesses if nobody can ever admit to being wrong or that someone else has a better idea.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      A LOT of truth there!

    • Worried for the country(MA)

      Sad but true.

  • Dilemma

    willard’s speech was vintage george wallace. that hooey won’t work no more on folks who lived through the last 4 years of grief brought on by repub policies. 

  • Gorden Gekkco

    The election does not matter anymore, read Matt Taibbi’s article
    both sides are owned by the rich 1%, the race is between
    Greed is good Romney ( I like to fire people), and the reverse
    Robin Hood Obama. The only real solution is street protests
    all the unemployed should realize that if they all get on the
    streets the power structure that runs these fake elections
    will collapse. They made it ok for the army to seize US
    citizens without a charges or trial, they have the camps all
    set up now to imprison the unemployed masses.
     Ashbrook does what he is told to do he is a
    stooge for the hedge funds that own PBS, get your info
    on the net on the OWS site, YouTube or Democracy now.

  • Petergdunn

    hi, for the last few days, I cannot listen on line. It says the video player is blocked. Its not my computer. I listen to other shows and videos with no problem. Is it on your end? I cannot get the listen player to work.

  • leftofcenter

    Since no one can agree on real opposition to Obama (sorry, Ron Paul doesn’t count), I have a suggestion. The Smothers Brothers.

    Why? Lots of reasons:
    Bernie Sanders won’t do it.
    Millions still hate Nader for running in 2000.
    They’re retired from doing gigs on the road. Which means they have time to focus on politics.
    The last time I checked, they’re both still very politically aware.
    Tom could be President and Dick could be VP.
    Cynthia McKinney wouldn’t win.
    How many millions of people either watched their old TV show or have heard about it thru their web site and DVD’s? This means instant name recognition.
    Before you say comedians have no chance, keep in mind a actor who worked with a chimp got in.
    Pat Paulsen ran in ’68 and actually got votes. The reason why? Because they ran it like an ad campaign. Obama did it in 2008.

    Now, look at the neocons:
    Romney is the megamillionaire son of a megamillionaire. Has he ever been homeless or without health care?
    The only reason the MSM hasn’t totally censored Ron Paul? Because the crazy old guy makes for good ratings. The same thing happened to Mike Gravel in 2008.
    Santorum thinks that even though McCain was tortured as a POW, he knows nothing about torture.
    Huntsman’s not “tough” enough to make it as President. Whatever that means.
    Gingrich runs for only one reason. To destroy Romney at all costs.

    Having said the above, woud you seriously vote for any of the neocons? Would you vote again for Obama? If no and no, the please recommend someone better as a third party team.

    • Anonymous

      You can’t be serious. I hope you are trying to be satirical here.

    • JennyG

      After the last three years of frustration I am at a loss.  My friends and I got involved in ’08 only to be taken for granted or ignored since then. Staying home seems to be the better option.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Please don’t give up so easily!  We NEED you, and your friends, and their friends, and their friends!
            If only to slow the slide into the abyss, we NEED you!
            Get informed, VOTE, help the candidate of your choice, but hang in there!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Dickie Smothers for President, Tommy for Vice President!    Dickie can act almost as clueless, as ‘W’, and with Dickie, you know it’s an act, and FUNNY!  FAR more sophisticated than ‘W’, too!  AND, he can play the banjo!  
          They had a great grasp of politics, and ways to deal with them!
          GREAT IDEA!! 

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