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The Troubled Waters Of The Strait Of Hormuz

We go to the Strait of Hormuz, now ground zero in the standoff with Iran and chokepoint for one-fifth of the world’s oil supply.

Iranian navy speed boats attend a drill in the sea of Oman, on Friday, Dec. 30, 2011. Iran's navy chief has reiterated for a second time in less than a week that his country can easily close the strategic Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Persian Gulf, the passageway through which a sixth of the world's oil flows. (AP)

Iranian navy speed boats attend a drill in the sea of Oman, on Friday, Dec. 30, 2011. Iran's navy chief has reiterated for a second time in less than a week that his country can easily close the strategic Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Persian Gulf, the passageway through which a sixth of the world's oil flows. (AP)

The Strait of Hormuz, where a fifth of the world’s oil moves every day, is narrow, crooked, shallow – and shoved right up against the belly of Iran.  Now the US is leading a global campaign to shut down Iranian oil exports, to pressure Iran off its nuclear program.  And Iran is threatening to shut down the Strait of Hormuz.

It’s easy to call it bluster.  But military and energy planners aren’t laughing.  Iranian mines, missiles and motorboats could turn the Strait into a hellish chokepoint and send oil prices soaring.

This hour, On Point:  strategy,  stakes, and the Strait of Hormuz.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Timothy Doorey, a Navy Captain who retired in 2009 after serving 28 years in Naval Intelligence. He’s now a lecturer with the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California.

Amy Myers Jaffe, the Wallace S. Wilson Fellow in Energy Studies and director of the Energy Forum at the Baker Institute, as well as associate director of the Rice Energy Program. She’s the author of Oil, Dollars, Debt, and Crises: The Global Curse of Black Gold.

Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council and author of A Single Roll of the Dice – Obama’s Diplomacy with Iran.

From Tom’s Reading List

Financial Times “The Obama administration dismissed a new warning from Iran about its naval operations in the Gulf on Tuesday, saying that the threat showed the Iranian regime was under pressure at home and that international sanctions were hitting its economy hard.”

al Arabiya News “In recent weeks, a growing number of senior Iranian military and civilian officials have warned that Tehran could use force to close the 54 km entrance to the Gulf if Western states impose sanctions that paralyze their oil exports.”

Foreign Policy “Traders say the main reason for their non-chalance is the extent of U.S. military forces deployed in the area. The idea is that, if Iran mines the waterway — which links the Persian Gulf with the Indian Ocean — or harasses oil tankers with its fast patrol boats (such as the one pictured above), the U.S. Navy will swiftly come to the rescue. ”

Map: Strait of Hormuz

This map shows the Strait of Hormuz, each pin indicates an area of military significance. Click on each blue pin for more information. You can also use the ‘sat’ button to see that satellite imagery and zoom in with the + and – keys on the left side.

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For a more in-depth look at the military issues surrounding the Strait of Hormuz, check out this study from the Naval War College on the vulnerability of U.S. forces in the region to Iranian military threats.

Slideshow: This detailed slide show was provided by the Naval Postgraduate School, based on open-source, unclassified data.

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  • Hidan

    It’s worth pointing out that Iran actions were a reaction to the U.S. not just sanction but the U.S. sending troops to Israel. It’s also worth pointing out the the prized IAEA report stated what the U.S. the West and the World already knew up to 2003 and the new information was a laptop who which the information cannot be verified or proven to even be true per the Guardian newspaper. Also lets not forget per Wikileaks the head new head of the IAEA is in the tank with the U.S. and statements were made he would/will go along with what the U.S. wants. The last thing our politicians should be doing is raising taxes and oil prices for perceived fear of what if from another country. Lets not forget Ehud Barak gaffe. It’s quite foolish to keep trying to back Iran into a corner and will do more harm to the U.S. and even the world to do so.

    See below

    Ehud Barak: Iran Nuclear Program Not About Israel

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/ehud-barak-iran-nuclear-p_b_1101297.html

    Several thousand US troops headed to Israel for ‘unprecedented’ joint missile defense exercise

    mondoweiss.net/2012/01/jpost-several-thousand-us-troops-to-israel-for-unprecedented-joint-missile-defense-exercise.html

    The IAEA report: what does it really mean and will it lead to war with Iran?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2011/nov/09/iaea-nuclear-iran-israel1

    “There is something a little phoney about all the sound and fury. There
    is nothing in the report that was not previously known by the major
    powers. The West and Israel supplied most of the original tip-offs for
    the annex on weapons development, while Russia was briefed and no doubt
    knew one of its own scientists had been lecturing the Iranians on how to
    make explosive implosion devices (ostensibly for making tiny diamonds).”

    Nuclear Wikileaks: Cables show cosy US relationship with IAEA chief
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2010/nov/30/iaea-wikileaks

    • Plushkin

       Yeah, our home grown jihadis (Hidan/Michael/Caruso etc) are to be counted on that one. Iran is moderate and peaceful. just rabid Zionists to be watched for… Pathetic simpletons.
      Finally now that the Egyptian Al Baradei has left the IAEA with his Nobel Peace Prize in tow after years of denying the Iranian nuclear program exists they can admit what everyone knew – that Iran continued working to build nuclear weapons.

      Perhaps also Obama will fire the nutcases in the USA who put out that utterly stupid National Intelligence Estimate report swallowed the IAEA line hook line and sinker that said that Iran stopped working on its nuclear weapons program in 2003. We need people in National Intelligence who have .. well … some intelligence.

      And perhaps some of the inveterate antisemitic posters on this blog who love to point out how peaceful Iran is will actually rethink their positions?… Ah never mind.

         

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Hey Plush,

        I believe the persians and arabs are semites.  Most Israelis are from Europe and the Caucuses.

        • Hidan

          Watch out there Caruso Yigal Amir here’s a stalker.

        • Plushkin

          Persians semites? You should submit that to Scientific American for sheer awesomeness of this discovery.
          Most Jewish Israelis, on the other hand, are semites. I know I am.

          “hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group. The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Mar…”
          http://www.history.com/topics/anti-semitism

        • Hidan

          http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/herzl/index.cfm

          “Herzl stated in his diary:

          “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . .
          this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent
          idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . .
          The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the
          persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best
          friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)”

          • Plushkin

            it is a notorious fake `quote’. So what was left out of it with this extraordinary number of ellipses?
            L is your letter. 

      • Hidan

        What you going to do? Kill me? Ban me? you keep saying i’m a jihadi terrorist. or do rabid Zionists only advocate violence and banning other speech?

        Mods take note of this Loon, he also been attempting to stalk me as well.

        BTW I reported your veil threats

  • Hidan

    If Israel wants to attack Iran let them do it themselves and face the
    fall out.Americans first please.

     Please stop with the whole Iran is trying to kill all jews
    it’s simply not true and mistranslated. Iran referred comment that the firsters love to use referred to the Zionist regime and how it would fall like the USSR did. Unless one is willing to claim the U.S. called for the genocide of the Russians cause it called for the down fall of the U.S.S.R. than the comment is simply fear mongering for a foreign country no doubt. Besides Iran has jews living in Iran and if it wanted to kill jews the logical thing would be the ones in there own country but it doesn’t/hasn’t than there’s a 20% no Jewish population inside of Israel and and if you include the west bank and gaza there’s almost as many non-jews then there jews. So for the threat that the firsters like to claim would require Iran to kill over 5 million Arabs and Nucular fall out affecting Jordan,Syria, Lebanon and of course a Nuke right back at them killing vast more millions seems cartoonist to believe. Also be aware Israel’s leaders and advocates have been claiming Iran is a year away for the past 20+ years.

    Sadly the only one with any sense about our foreign policy is Ron Paul

    Stephen Walts has a great on attacking Iran and calls out the media for doing the same thing now that they did to the lead up to Iraq war.

    http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/blog/2072

  • JP

    Not that I approve, but the U.S. would obliterate the entire Iranian coastline and navy in a matter of days if Iran acted on their bluster… their bonehead leaders are bluffing, just as they’ve always done.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      Hey JP,  Why is it boneheaded to try to protect your people from daily threats from superpowers ??? 

      Face it, Iran is an islamic country.  In fact a more modern and moderate country.   The rest of the world understands that Iran is being bullied for reasons other than nuclear power and democracy. 

      And the hypocrisy and agitation of Israel with all its nukes, is not missed by most other countries.  US citizens should be outraged at the physical and economic damage to the USA, already caused by this warmongering by Israel and its lobby.

       

    • SteveV

      It’s this type of hubris that starts wars. The unintended consequences come later, and are usually regretted.  Look to Germanys attack on Russia, Japans on the US, the French and US in Vietnam, our invasion of Iraq, our own civil war, etc.

      • John

        That’s an interesting point which has truth in it as many of has learned.  Pray tell whose hubris is leading the edge of events in this?

        • Mike

          The US’s hubris is leading the events here.  The Iranians have every right to oppose US forces off their shores.  Imagine if we had a hostile nation’s navy parked that close to our shores.  Would we allow that?

          Let’s not forget, everything we hear about this issue is entirely through the lens of US propaganda. 

          This whole issue is a result of them coming close to violating (but not violating) the NPT, which apparently is a completely optional treaty. 

          As for Iran acting crazy, that’s US propaganda.  We always make our opponents seem nuts and we always make our nutjob allies seem rational.  Iran is about as rational as the US.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            So, for example, the Iranian president didn’t threaten to wipe Israel off the map?  Iran doesn’t support terrorist organizations?  Iran isn’t building up to a nuclear bomb?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            No Greg,  He did not.  Israelis bask in victimhood.  That translation from the farsi is a bit twisted.

          • Plushkin

            enlighten us with your translation.  Feel free to provide a link to prove the unprovable. 

          • Hidan
          • Plushkin

            you stay away mahmud, all you have to say we know in advance. Terrorist sympathizers have no redeeming values whatsoever.

          • Roy-in-Boise

            Let me preface this by saying that I realize that large multinational corporations manipulate markets and media. However having said that:

            1) The Strait of Hormuz is International waters.

            2) Iran does not have the right to oppose any nation’s Navy being there.

            3) If they blockade the Strait they get blasted out of the water…

            4) Mission complete.

    • Jean Smith

      Bluster is not constructive. Look at how much of Baghdad survived “Shock and Awe.” 

  • JustSayin

    Any nation a large as the US would have rationally diversified their national energy infrastructure away from oil beginning back in the 1960′s, and would be simply watching this region with detached bemusement. Sitting on such technological advances in non centralized energy production, and the many products for energy conservation and efficiency, this would nation be selling this advanced technology to the rest of a much cleaner and generally more peaceful world.

    Could rational technological development aimed at a cleaner and more peaceful would be as economically profitable as a fascist war economy based on resource confiscation? 

    Humanity’s failing is that we will never know.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      You’re presuming that the U.S. is as brilliant, and leading the world, as some say we are?
         Many of us try to teach what you’re saying, and MOST ignore it!  They believe that gas-mileage increases of 20% in 50 years is the limit!
         Shell Oil has a full-page ad in Popular Science about the latest winner of their mpg contest getting the equivalent of 8,870 miles per gallon!  Auto makers BRAG about 30 mpg, like it was SUPER!

  • Plain old Cory

    The rhetoric by Iran is both foolish and brilliant.

    The notion that the Iranian military could do ANYTHING to stop our military if it was our intention to keep the Straits of Hormuz open is FOOLISHNESS.  They need to review operation Praying Mantis from the 80′s.

    Keeping the tottering American giant engaged in far flung and expensive military affairs is BRILLIANT.  Al Qaeda, Iran, and others are using the mosquito strategy against us.  Bring us down from the bloodloss from a thousand tiny pin pricks.

  • aj

    IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST ON US vis a vis IRAN.  READ THIS LINK (ONLY 2 PARAGRAPHS), BECAUSE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ZIONIST WAR W/IRAN MONGERERS (ex. ANDREA MITCHELL) WILL NEVER MENTION THIS.

    • Jean Smith

      Losing it, eh?

    • ref

      Please stop shouting.

  • aj
  • aj

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisda

    IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST ON US vis a vis IRAN.  READ THIS LINK (ONLY 2 PARAGRAPHS), BECAUSE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ZIONIST WAR W/IRAN MONGERERS (ex. ANDREA MITCHELL) WILL NEVER MENTION THIS.

    But NOoooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  They hate us for our freedom, not our global hegemony. 

    RON PAUL TWENTY F***IN TWELVE!

  • aj

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bbc+iran+airliner+shot+us+navy+&ei=UTF-8&fr=hp-pvnb

    IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST ON US vis a vis IRAN.  READ THIS LINK (ONLY 2 PARAGRAPHS), BECAUSE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ZIONIST WAR W/IRAN MONGERERS (ex. ANDREA MITCHELL) WILL NEVER MENTION THIS. But NOoooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  They hate us for our freedom, not our global hegemony.  RON PAUL TWENTY F***IN TWELVE!

  • aj

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707.stm

    This is the link. MUST READ 2 PARAGRAPHS. WHO’s THE TERRORISTS IN THIS SCENARIO?

  • John

    This seems to be a very dangerous game Iran is engaging in.  It would take less effort on the part of the US to neutralize their capacity to exert any military strength in the Straights of Hormuz than for Iran to stop all naval traffic there, with far less proportional cost incurred to the US as compared to Iran.

    This is not a rational nation-state we are dealing when even a (relatively) uninformed observer such as myself can see.

    Feels a bit like North Korea’s saber rattling in exchange for concessions to me.

    • aj

      Dear Uninformed observer, read these 2 paragraphs and tell me how rational this is. RE: Baby Iranian Girls blown out of the clear blue sky into dust, courtesy of your very own UNINFORMED tax dollar subsidized US NAVY.  OBSERVE THIS!

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707.stm

      RON PAUL TWENT F***IN TWELVE!!!

      • John

        I have zero interest in hysterical “anti-zionist” agitprop dissemination.  Take your bag of garbage and peddle it to someone else who may be interested in buying it.

        • aj

          Let the record show, John did not answer the question.  Instead he fell back on slander when the facts got… shall we say inconvenient.  Tell me this John, did you even bother to read a paragraph or two of the link I posted?

          • John

            No. I actually reget having even directly addressed you now.  There’s no reasoning with you, I’m sure.

          • aj

            How can you be so sure.  John, just read these very brief newsclip and post a comment on it.  Because I would respectfully ask for your opinion on this matter our shared tax dollar funded bit of U.S. MILITARY history.  Please.  And I won’t even reply back, promise. 

          • John

            Don’t look now aj, but I think DHS may be watching you in your “retreat” in Montana.

          • aj
          • nj

            And, you’re flagged, agian.

        • aj

          P.S. RON PAUL TWENTY F***IN TWELVE!!!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Can’t you say this, without the implied language including the **?

        • Jean Smith

          Who said anything like “anti-zionist”? Quit kitchen sinking.

  • Jasoturner

    Iran also plans on putting a former U.S. marine to death for “spying” while visiting family in Iran.  It is unclear why they are being so provocative, but clearly something is going on behind the scenes.  This seems like a pretty precarious situation.

    • John

      I think this is an interesting development actually. 

      Don’t forget that not long ago, the USN saved an Iranian merchant crew from Somali pirates. 

      If this gentleman’s appeal is approved by the Iranian courts, it COULD present an opening for detente’ to begin, and we may see everybody stepping back from the brink.

      If not… all bets are off.

      • AC

        I heard about this., but i thought Iran’s official statement was that we were making ‘Hollywood’ out of an everyday situation…

        • John

          There was two responses which were very curious about this.  Their Foreign Ministry was grateful, but their national news service did say exactly what you heard.

          • Mike

            Well let’s not forget that a few Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated in Iran, and a military site mysteriously exploded.  I’d say that there is no question that there are US/Israeli operatives in Iran attacking it covertly.  Why shouldn’t they be on heightened alert?

    • AC

      i’ll admit, Iran confuses me. Sometimes, they seem…well….’immature’ in the way they present themselves and their beliefs to the world. I’ve only ever known 2 Iranians and they are very reasonable, rational people. I think it’s their leadership that’s likely crazy…..

  • aj

    -TEXT TAKEN VER BATIM PER BBC

    1988: US warship shoots down Iranian airliner
    An American naval warship patrolling in the Persian Gulf has shot down an Iranian passenger jet after apparently mistaking it for an F-14 fighter.
    All those on board the airliner – almost 300 people – are believed dead.
    The plane, an Airbus A300, was making a routine flight from Bandar Abbas, in Iran, to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.
    The USS Vincennes had tracked the plane electronically and warned it to keep away. When it did not the ship fired two surface-to-air missiles, at least one of which hit the airliner.
    Navy officials said the Vincennes’ crew believed they were firing at an Iranian F14 jet fighter, although they had not confirmed this visually.
    No survivors
    The plane blew up six miles from the Vincennes, the wreckage falling in Iranian territorial waters.
    Iranian ships and helicopters have been searching for survivors but none have so far been found. Iranian television broadcast scenes of bodies floating amid scattered debris.
    Iran has reacted with outrage, accusing the United States of a “barbaric massacre” and vowed to “avenge the blood of our martyrs”.
    President Reagan said the Vincennes had taken “a proper defensive action” and called the incident an “understandable accident”, although he said he regretted the loss of life.
    ‘Deep regret’
    Admiral William J Crowe, Jr, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a Pentagon news conference that the US government deeply regretted the incident.
    However, he said, the Airbus was four miles west of the usual commercial airline route and the pilot ignored repeated radio warnings from the Vincennes to change course.
    Less than an hour before the shooting down of the passenger jet, he added, the Vincennes was engaged in a gun battle with three Iranian gunboats after a helicopter from the Vincennes was fired on.
    The president promised a full investigation into how a passenger jet came to be mistaken for a fighter jet, which is two-thirds smaller.
    US warships have been escorting Kuwaiti tankers in and out of the Persian Gulf since last July as part of its controversial undertaking to keep the Straits of Hormuz open during the eight-year-old Iran-Iraq War.
    Pentagon officials acknowledged at the time that increased US military presence would risk provoking confrontations with Iran.
    Last May the patrol frigate USS Stark was almost sunk by an Iraqi fighter-bomber, killing 37 sailors. Vigilance was tightened after the incident.

    • L armond

      Just like the Kennedy assassination I remember where I was and how I ran to talk to the only  person visible to me, who happened to have been a POW from WWII, a pilot, and when I told him what I’d heard on the knews, our eyes met and it was ‘all knowing’ that something awful could follow if things weren’t handled perfectly and apologetically.  We count on the Navy for these skills, like the law of the sea, diplomatic skills, that campaigning bobbleheads don’t have, don’t understand, and won’t listen to.

      • aj

        Well said.  Ron Paul is no bobblehead though, after the scandelous betrayal of the despicale sellout Barry Hussein Obama, Ron Paul is our last best hope, Brother. 

        • L armond

          Certain areas of expertise do not ensure the broad range of skills required by the position he is seeking.  But None of the other candidates possess any gravitas either.  They are so manipulable by money interests, which we all understand, we just know they won’t listen and educate the people about real american needs.  I have an aunt who used to be a nurse, but she can’t handle paperwork, and rolls her eyes when anyone brings up legal issues.  This is what you have ‘on the boards’ of Southern institutions.  You can’t speak truth to pewter.

  • aj

    In ContextMost of those on board the Iranian Airbus were Iranians on their way to Mecca. The victims also included 66 children and 38 foreign nationals. An official inquiry carried out by the US attributed the mistake to human error. However, the Iranian government has always disputed the American version of events. It took four years for the US administration to admit officially that the USS Vincennes was in Iranian waters when the skirmish took place with the Iranian gunboats. Subsequent investigations have accused the US military of waging a covert war against Iran in support of Iraq. The US government has never admitted responsibility or apologised for the tragedy. Some believe the Lockerbie bombing, carried out six months later in December 1988, was masterminded by Iranians in revenge for the Airbus tragedy, although a Libyan man was convicted and jailed in 2001. In February 1996 the US agreed to pay Iran $61.8 million in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed, plus the cost of the aircraft and legal expenses. It had already paid a further $40 million to the other countries whose nationals were killed.

  • Terry Tree Tree

    The major U.S. interest in the Strait of Hormuz, is oil!  
        True Energy Security can better be achieved with Wind, Solar, and other renewable energies!
        Can the Strait of Hormuz cut off the electricity from a Wind-Turbine, or Solar Panel, within 50 miles of your home?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      And tell us how we’re going to make the transition overnight.  We have to have energy until these new solutions are in place.

      • AC

        Greg is right. Transition overnight would be impossible…..

        • Jean Smith

          Here we are forty years down the road from OPEC’s crisis. What overnight?

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            If we shut down the flow of oil, we won’t have the energy to build and transport wind turbines and solar panels.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            If we don’t do it, when they shut down the oil flow, they STOP the U.S.?

          • Curtcpeterson

            Fact: Iran has oil and an educated population; they are a potentially valuable ally both politically and economically.
            Fact: Iran’s policies toward the US are justly earned by many decades of manipulation, assassination of their elected president, forcing the Shah’s oppressive regime on them, financing Iraq’s war against them, name-calling, sabre-rattling, isolation and crippling sanctions.
            Fact: Iran is surrounded by nuclear-armed powers, all of whom are either US allies or puppets.
            Fact: Iran correctly perceives us as one with Israel, a nuclear-armed nation that makes daily threats to blow up Iran’s alleged nuclear energy facilities.
            Fact: Iran has no means of imposing sanctions on the US or Israel or anyone else, other than to close the subject oil passage avenue, the Strait of Hormuz.
            Fact: The situation is that US military actions since and including Vietnam were corporate-driven, not defense-related.
            Fact: Cuba and North Korea are just two examples of dozens of instances proving that so-called “sanctions” are ineffective and cause only instability, entrenchment of radical regimes and loss of the hearts and minds of the sanctionees’ populations.
            Opinion: It is obvious to me and to several of the more educated and intelligent callers and writers, that the US is, in fact, trying to incite an excuse for military action against Iran, as even the Obama administration must know this is the inevitable result of playing the bully. Ask yourself? If the US was in Iran’s shoes in this situation, would we just bend over and let Iran do whatever they want to us and obey Iran’s orders to give up nuclear advancement? Not in a million years. Why, then, would an intelligent president think Iran will fold?
            Very encouraged to see and hear the erudite audience comments and questions regarding this great topic.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Thanks, I will re-read this.  I try to look at as many facets of a situation as I can. 

          • Terry Tree Tree

            According to General Chesty Puller U.S. Marines, MANY of the U.S. millitary actions BEFORE Vietnam, were for corporate interests, and NOT National Defense!

          • AC

            i’m not surprised – most town will wait until they’re court order to do simple maintenance. imagine asking them to front the money to put in transmission lines? ha!

          • Anonymous

            When I was 14 years old and began riding a 250 cc BMW bike in 1971 in southern California I paid $.24 a gallon for regular gas. Pia Zadora (sometimes Franny Dresher)and I would buy a good loaf of bread for a quarter, jars of jelly and peanut butter for less than a buck total, bottled Cokes for $0.11 each and sit up in the Hollywood Hills watching human behavior through binoculars. This was our way of skipping studio tutoring. It was a good life then, no longer to be had now. Picnics are out of fashion. Oh, I don’t blame the Arabs/Persians.

          • AC

            what is studio tutoring?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Thanks, young-un?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        We have had over thirty years of ‘overnight’, since OPEC was formed, and gave us a serious insight that this kind of thing was sure to happen again and again!  Remember what the oil prices were back then?  Gas prices here in the States?
           If SUBSTANTIAL attempts are NOT made, this is going to be just one more of an increasing number of ‘Energy Problems’!!

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          To be sure, but we have to fuel everything until then.

        • AC

          what were the prices? for those of us who don’t know…i have seen pics of people in lines at gas stations, but that still happens at one place near my home that always has gas 20-30 cents cheaper than everyone else, so it’s hard to give those images their proper perspective

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Oil was $30 per barrel, gas was 20-40 CENTS per gallon!  Motor oil was 25 CENTS per quart!
               I filled up a 22 gallon tank for $5.00, and got CHANGE!
               When there was a gas-price war, I have bought gas for 13 CENTS per gallon! 
               ALL of this was in the U.S., in the 70′s.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Had we put ALL the subsidies that big oil, big coal, nuclear-especially fussion, into renewables, and electric vehicles, we would have been FAR better off NOW!
           There are companies that do electric conversions, and hybrid conversions, to existing vehicles! 
            There are SOOOO many options to a cleaner, greener, Energy Security– National Security!!

        • L armond

          You need to get the information, and do a cartoon like on Sesame Street, Facts in Balloons. balloons of facts raising you up above the fog, above the trees, able to see who the enemy really is and send the troops to their location, and do a shivaree around them, a bull-baiting.  This is called infomatics,  putting the message where it is entertaining as well as educational.  Of course, people from Texas will say it is “of the devil”.  The French could help you Americans out, but you have people in congress still calling French Fries or pommes frites, Patriot Fries or some such diversionary phrase.    Show that these ‘facts’ are not like rising seas, lifting all boats, but rather like mines, undermining any attempt to get thru with truth.  The Navy Seals can’t help you here.  Get an infomatics specialist.  Be careful, mathematics and graphs are ‘of the devil’ too.  And the misinformed can not help it.  The minions keep  them rattled, exhausted, and afraid of truth.  

          • Terry Tree Tree

            ???   I agree with some of what you’re saying.  I’m trying to see the tie to my comment.

          • L armond

            Sorry, I mean to agree with your discussion of the tax exemptions and subsidies, but suggest a technique to get it across to the weak, the weary, the poor and homeless, so they can make an informed vote.  

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Thanks for the compliment, and the suggestion of a comic.  
            Any ‘art’ I have, is written, or verbal.  I only draw, with the aid of ‘T’-square and other instruments.   I’ve been told I sing fairly well.  I entertain myself, and sometimes others.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        I don’t get the mega-bucks ($MILLIONS or $BILLIONS), that ‘Energy Experts’ get!  I work for a living!
           I can see, and tell others how to see, a better, greener, less-polluted, safer, Energy Secure, therefore Nationally Secure future!
           The Rocky Mountain Institute, along with Mother Earth News magazine,  is the best source of information, that I have seen.
           When I get paid, to develop better energy, I assure you that I have seen better.

  • Bill

    Iran has already achieved their goal by threatening to close the strait.  Oil prices are higher which allows them to increase revenues and dull the effect of sanctions.

  • Joe in Philly

    The US has the military capabilities to do anything it wants to do. But, the discussion is missing the point; we in the US need to be talking about how the world community is going to respond to the Iranian Threat. Hasn’t Iraq and Afghanistan taught us anything? We can’t afford to at it alone again.

    • ref

      It seems like the rest of the world (especially China) are just sitting back right now, because Iran really hates the US.  It’s like that story about the bear… I don’t have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you.  Since the US is in Iran’s gunsights, the rest of the world just has to stay out of them.

  • Jmcmillin

    Tom, can you ask the guest on a bigger picture the possibility of the Guld of Aden and the Red Sea and access through the Suez Canal in respect to recent changes in Egypt? Could we be facing a problem of access due to recent elections and how would an effect of both inlets ultimately oil production.

  • L armond

    I am tensing up now, knowing how ‘special and deadly’ it was in Nam for Riverine,  And knowing what stupid comments the current cast of characters up for Republican primaries make, no matter how they apologize, they affect the world.  Even McCain, a pilot, has no logistics or strategic background.  He has been in a parade since he made it back.  Bluster of Candidates sinks Ships.  

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Caller, you sound as though you’re making a justification.

    • nj

      You realize that people reading this have no idea to whom you are referring, eh?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Caller,

    “Know how” is fine, but it takes time to make nuclear bombs.  Iran doesn’t just want the knowledge.  Iran wants the bomb.

  • Riburr

    If the sanctions serve to increase the value of the dollar against Iranian currency, doesn’t this make Iranian oil very cheap for China to use its reserves of American dollars to purchase Iranian oil?

  • L armond

    Caller Said very correct about Iran manipulating domestic Iranian audience.  But also, all Middle East knows to manipulate American Economy by familiarity with Texas oilmen.  They know those personalities inside and out.  A Texas Bobblehead and the refineries will start raising prices right now.  Everyone in the world is afraid of rabble rousing, and America’s population is no different from any others.  See what is happening in Nigeria or Kenya right now with them withdrawing subsidy of oil for population.  And in their case, it is not a true subsidy, but used as a derogatory term so exterior economies can further demoralize the people and economy.  It can happen here too.

  • L armond

    Remember, with ‘cutting military budget in US’ McCain is going to go up on his Military Industrial Oilman podium and start his drums beating to the audience who resonate with his rhetoric, so bluster is blunderbuss, too.  There is no seeing the ‘whites of anyones eyes or souls when you are run by political and gated community priorities.

  • John

    This is case study #1 for the American military being the mercenaries of the multi-national corporations.

    Connect the dots Americas:

    The U.S. gets only 6% of it’s oil from oil that passes through the Strait of Hormuz.

    The past year the United States’ #1 export was refined oil and gas. 

    That’s right. The multi-national oil companies did not keep it in this country and let the price go down (the Republican Drill Here Drill Now mantra that they claim will lower prices at the pump is proven to be a lie).

    No. They exported the oil and the gas.

    Now, who pays for the hundreds of billions of dollars the U.S. military spends keeping the oil shipping lanes open?

    Multi-national corporations? Joke. Most of them not only paid 0$ in taxes to the U.S. they got money back because of our subsidy of them.

    You are paying 1.2 trillion dollars a year Americans so that the U.S. army can protect the interests of the multi-nationals.

    Suckers. No Social Security, no Medicare, no Medicaid, no education, no renewal energy for you.

    • L armond

      I recently saw an interview of domestic trucking firms about the cost of diesel.  Price should have gone down due to supply and storage, but they didn’t because American now exported to the needs of South Americans who do not have the refinery capability.  So this “Patriotic American Cowboy Institution’  are now free, and have always been, to undermine the country, as their first duty is to their investors, and all of that profit can be used to drug American’s into indifference thanks to the decision of the OBSCENE COURT last year.  I know I don’t exist anymore.

      • aj

        It’s even worse than that bro, not only are they exporting, but they do it duty(tax) free in these customs-free trade zone in U.S. Ports.  Courtesy of the best government(tax law) money can buy!  Good old Uncle SAM… what a c***sucker!  Sorry Terry Tree Tree, I’ll work on it ;>

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Thanks, aj, it’s difficult for me to keep a civil tongue on here, too!  I realized that I can make my point as well, without the language that can be used to dismiss my comments. 
              I agree with the information of your comment, and L armond’s. 
              ‘Compassionate’, ‘conservative’, ‘Christian’, ‘right’, call that ‘free-market’!  They also call it ‘laizee-fairee economics’!

    • Ohferohfive

      Can you please provide references?

    • Fredlinskip

      You know oil corps have political power when they are allowed to directly tax Americans 10′s of billions of dollars every year.

  • X-Ray

    Does not Oman border the Straits on the other, deeper, side? So cannot the tanker traffic hug that shore and avoid Irarian waters?

  • Hidan

    Amazing,

    I had a comment deleted for calling Bill Mahaur a Douch yet our little Yigal Amir down below can openly call me and others he disagree with a “home grown Terrorist/jihadis.

    Nice going Mods. Will the Mod take legal responsibility if Amir or another extremist goes postal on me or others?

    • Plushkin

      Oh sorry I struck a nerve or two. No one goes postal on you, just on crap and falsehoods you disseminate.  

      • Hidan

        Says the Israeli hasbara troll.

        • Plushkin

          coming from hamas supporter it is indeed priceless. Have you joined them yet?

          • Hidan

            Nope,

            Heard your group got in a bit of trouble with the government though. Bad move on attacking the IDF base.

  • Hidan

    Anyways,

    It wasn’t noted by any of the guests/experts that Iranian Nuclear scientists  have been assassinated most likely done by the west. Nor the drone over Iran

    • Plushkin

      or by Iranians themselves …
      http://debka.com/article/21474/ 

      • Hidan

        Oh man you proved me wrong, oh wait gotta subscribe to read. Mind getting me a subscription so I can read your hasbara crap? I’m sure it’s balance like the rest of the stuff you post.

        • Plushkin

          It is raw data which paupers like you can not afford. It is your problem, jihadi shill, deal with it youself.

          BTW, most of the stuff you post is islamo-fascist propaganda which gets you banned regularly and rightfully so.

          • Hidan

            Islamo Fascist. blahahaha.

            Yep Folks to our resident Hasaba troll the bbc,guardian,Timesonline,haaretzs,  ynet,mondoweiss,Fair.org, Human Rights Groups are all Islamo-fascist.

            Besides being a totally absurd comment I’m sure the Hasbara can provide proof of me posting Islamo Facist links.

            Right Wing Israeli calling for Americans to be banned on a America Public Radio thread is priceless.

  • Hidan

    Makes much for sense now,

    The Foreign Ministry presents: talkbackers in the service of the State

    http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/topic.php?tid=3489

    The Foreign Ministry presents: talkbackers in the service of the State

    http://giwersworld.org/FACT-SHEET/israel-paying-for-internet-support.phtml

    Plushkin not only a troll but an israeli one at that.

    ohhh the irony.

    • Plushkin

       So Israeli Jews are not allowed on these boards? Never heard of this, and even if I had it would have made no difference — you are still a pathetic, jihad pushing, antisemitic  whiner. No more no less. 

      • Hidan

        Nothing wrong with being an Israeli troll  spreading far right Israeli hasbara for war with Iran and everything Pro-Israel views. Why not admit you are instead of claiming to be otherwise.might do you better to lay off the whole Jihadi thing.  But what’s great is this israeli jew is trying to get an American banned from an American public radio cite.

        Sorry dude this ain’t Israel.

        Being called Anti-semite from a Zionist Surprmist is quite funny.The Israeli Fisters doesn’t even know his own actions spread disdain for the state of Israel than anything I or others could do.

        So Yigal Amir do you live in an illegal settlement as well?

        Ohhhhh the irony an right wing nutcase coming on an U.S. thread telling americans what we should do. When it’s American tax dollars supporting the right wing nutcase.

        • Plushkin

          Oh I see … It is a love fest between Italian commie (aka caruso) and former gitmo detainee illiterate muhmud (aka hidan). Keep it up!
           

    • Plushkin

      Mods — actually one of the links posted by Hidan the fascist troll above leads to an attack site. This must be a reason for perma-ban IMHO. As if there wasn’t enough garbage by him already.

  • Plushkin

    Meanwhile Iran plans one-kiloton underground nuclear test. Not bad  for a country so peaceful and moderate. Wonder if that triggers a quake will they ask for Israeli help to clean things up?
    http://debka.com/article/21635/ 

    • Hidan

      If people aren’t aware of this Debka is run and was set up by two former Mosad agents, it’s mostly read by Zionist settlers and Far right radicals. It claimed also among other things after 9/11 thousands of muslims were going to go around the U.S. blowing themselves up. It claimed OBL had a army of followers strapped with bombs walking around in U.S. Cities. Recently it’s claiming that Iran will have a Nuke in less than 3 months.

      It’s the birther of the Israeli right wing site. People can check the headline stating the U.S. SOD said Iran will have a bomb in 3 months. Of course is is a lie but boy does it scare people.

      Who is DEBKA?

      http://www.embargos.de/irak/post1109/english/who_is_debka.html

  • Plushkin

    Given that Hidan has no sense of what word irony means ( what can we say his just as illiterate as it gets) . Here is a prime and relevant (100% on point)  example of what it actually is.   
    Tehran holds Obama re-election wild card
    http://www.danielpipes.org/10427/iran-obama-reelection

    • Hidan

      Daniel Pipes? the Known Islamophobe who believes Obama is a secert Muslim.  Prime and relevant and 100% point according to the israeli Right Wing Zealot. Pipes doesn’t believe in a two state solution. like our resident  Yigal Amir  who has once again threaten and called me a terrorist. 

      As Gregg like to say

      Dollars to Dounuts this Hasbara troll is an illegal settler?

      What does Christopher Hitchenshave to say about this guy?

      “Pipes pursues an intolerant agenda, “confuses scholarship with
      propaganda”, and “pursues petty vendettas with scant regard for
      objectivity.” ”

      Dude is even compared to being the David Dukes of Jews.

      ” James Zogby argues that Pipes possesses an “obsessive hatred of all things Muslim”, and that “Pipes is to Muslims what David Duke is to African-Americans”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pipes

      hahahah he’s even on Loon Watch

      Daniel Pipes and His Inflammatory Comment about Palestinians

      http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/09/a-defeated-people/

  • Plushkin

    The U.N. nuclear agency on Monday confirmed that Iran has begun enriching uranium at an underground bunker to a level that can be upgraded more quickly for use in a nuclear weapon than the nation’s main enriched stockpile.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700213785/UN-agency-confirms-Iran-nuke-work-at-bunker.html

    • Hidan

      The Hasbara Troll leaves out the this was known by the IAEA and the West before cause Iran told them. Noted he the link he provided.

      • Hidan

        The Hasbara Troll leaves out that this was well known by the IAEA and the West
        before,mainly because Iran told them. Noted in the link the Hasbara Troll provided.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Hidan, could you leave off the names?  I don’t think it does your position any good.  The information should speak for itself. 
            I, and others, have agreed with some of your positions and info, before.

        • Plushkin

          That’s interesting. So if he drops “rabid Zionists”, “hasbara trolls” and “racist Jews” what will be left of his `position’ ?
          (genuinely curious as to what others see in it) 

          • Terry Tree Tree

            We’ll see?

          • Plushkin

            will we? It is hard to see VOID .

        • Hidan

          Your right and i’ll refrain. Ill let him show his bigotry on his own.

  • Hidan

    Who are Debka

    Debka is an Israeli intelligence website. According to Brian Whitaker, writing in The Guardian, it has a propaganda role:

    A banner at the top of each page says: “We start where
    the media stop” – a claim that few could disagree with, since Debka
    blends fact, fantasy and propaganda in ways that make it difficult to
    separate one from the other.

    One of Debka’s recurring obsessions is its belief that
    the PLO, Hizbullah, Syria, Iraq and Iran have all joined a secret
    alliance against Israel. Many of its stories are tailored to support
    this theory.

    Anyone who has witnessed the repeated failure of Arab
    countries to agree on a united course of action about any issue of
    importance ought to have serious doubts about the likelihood of such an
    alliance.

    • Plushkin

      Obsessions ? — Yeah right!

      As if Iran has not been arming Hizballah via routes in Syria, or bankrolling Hamas through the same channels, or Hamas HQ is not in Damscus. Left radicals typical.

  • Plushkin

    our petty jihadist is so predictable: going out of his way to find some crap about any source that challenges his antisemitic convictions. “Joos are coming to control everything!!! Boo!”

    As to the his fascist links, just from this page where the idiot is posting links from loonwatch.com which is a well-known Isalmic jihadists site praised by none other then stormfront.org

    http://mah29001.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/loonwatch-com-article-gets-promoted-by-stormfront-org/

    An now is the irony

    Hidan (aka Michael on Gaede article ) :
    What definitions of the “White Race” ? What groups make it to the “White Race”? At a time the Irish, Italians or Jews were not considred to be.  What if two brothers move to your area both Bi-racial but one takening on mainly all white charactisics while the others doesn’t is only one welcomed while the other is not? Or are both unwelcomed because their bi-racial? how about if there great grandfather or great great grandfather is the mixed/bi-racial one does such group have generational standards?
    http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2011/12/05/montanas-flathead-extremist

    Practically begging to accept him into the brotherhood. You’re a fascist buddy. It is ok you, we all know that, you can come out clean.

    BTW Dr. Pipes is highly respected scholar of Islam, who earned his Phd. in medieval Islamic history from Harvard.

    • Hidan

      Of course leaving out this

      I do agree the these people in Montana are doing the same thing many in Israel are doing but I believe both actions end up  being harmful and discriminatory in the end towards the minorities in such area’s and surrounding area’s, one only needs to look at the south pre-1960 to see what how groups can be easily dehumanized and violent acts tend to follow.

      Amir relies and hopes the readers are lazy and wouldn’t actually look at what he links to. Again the peole from Stromfront praised the actions of the settlers in Israel and segregating themselves off from there minorities. 

      Few things,

      - The White Supremacist were citing Israel as a example for what they were doing in Montana
      -Out of the 444 post none seem to offend Amir except mind
      -Those White Supremist holds the same views of blacks and minoritiys that Amir as displayed
      - On the thread link the White Supremacist cited jewish only settlements as the model for what they wish to do in Montana

      Also

      -Pipes believe Obama is a secret Muslims and have written about it. Christoper Hitchens(no fan of Muslims) even stated Pipes is extremist and hardly a real scholar

      • Plushkin

        you can’t seriously believe the incomprehensible gibberish in this pearl, can you?

        OK here is a very terse version Pipe’s credentials
        (one can see why he drives jihadis nuts at the very mentioning of his name)
        ———————————————-

        CBS Sunday Morning says Daniel Pipes was “years ahead of the curve in identifying the threat of radical Islam.” “Unnoticed by most Westerners,” he wrote, for example, in 1995, “war has been unilaterally declared on Europe and the United States.” The Boston Globe states that “If Pipes’s admonitions had been heeded, there might never have been a 9/11.” The Wall Street Journal calls Mr. Pipes “an authoritative commentator on the Middle East” and the Washington Post deems him “perhaps the most prominent U.S. scholar on radical Islam.”

        He received his A.B. (1971) and Ph.D. (1978) from Harvard University, both in history, and spent six years studying abroad, including three years in Egypt. Mr. Pipes speaks French, and reads Arabic and German. He has taught at the University of Chicago, Harvard University, the U.S. Naval War College, and Pepperdine University. He served in various capacities in the U.S. government, including two presidentially-appointed positions, vice chairman of the Fulbright Board of Foreign Scholarships and board member of the U.S. Institute of Peace. He was director of the Foreign Policy Research Institute in 1986-93.

        Mr. Pipes discusses current issues on television on such U.S. programs as ABC World News, Crossfire, Good Morning America, News-Hour with Jim Lehrer, Nightline, O’Reilly Factor, and The Today Show. He has appeared on leading television networks around the globe, including the BBC and Al-Jazeera, and has lectured in twenty-five countries. He has publicly debated leading figures, including Noam Chomsky and Ken Livingstone.

        Mr. Pipes has published in such magazines as the Atlantic Monthly, Commentary, Foreign Affairs, Harper’s, National Review, New Republic, Time, and The Weekly Standard. More than a hundred American newspapers have carried his articles, including the Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Washington Post. His writings have been translated into 36 languages and have appeared in such newspapers as ABC, Corriere della Sera, The Daily Telegraph, Le Figaro, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, and The Sydney Morning Herald.

        Mr. Pipes has written twelve books.

        Four deal with Islam: Militant Islam Reaches America (2002), The Rushdie Affair (Birch Lane, 1990), In the Path of God (Basic Books, 1983), and Slave Soldiers and Islam (Yale University Press, 1981).

        Three books concern Syria: Syria Beyond the Peace Process (1996), Damascus Courts the West (Washington Institute, 1991), and Greater Syria (Oxford University Press, 1990).

        Four deal with other Middle Eastern topics: The Hidden Hand (St. Martin’s, 1996) analyzes conspiracy theories among Arabs and Iranians. An Arabist’s Guide to Colloquial Egyptian (Foreign Service Institute, 1983) systematizes the grammar of Arabic as spoken in Egypt. The Long Shadow (Transaction, 1989) and Miniatures (2003) contain some of his best essays.

        Conspiracy (Free Press 1997) establishes the importance of conspiracy theories in modern Europe and America.

        Mr. Pipes edited two collections of essays, Sandstorm (UPA, 1993) and Friendly Tyrants (St. Martin’s, 1991). He has edited two journals, Orbis (1986-90) and the Middle East Quarterly (1994-2001).

        Mr. Pipes sits on five editorial boards, has testified before many congressional committees, and worked on five presidential campaigns. Universities in the United States and Switzerland have conferred honorary degrees on him.

        • Hidan

          Pipes and company are listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center. His group is listed as a Hate Group.

          But I’m sure Amir will claim the SPLC are islamo facist.

          • Plushkin

            blatant lie. what group? — no links no trust (hidan rules)

    • Hidan

      P.S.

      Amir was banned from Here and now the previous for his destructive behavior and writing. Notice his link he provided for hereandnow.org  it’s another email account.

      • Plushkin

        LOL. Never graduated from a kindergarten? I thought so. 

        • Hidan

          Amir was banned from Here&now the previous day for his destructive behavior and writing. Notice in the link he provided for hereandnow.org  is another email account.

          • Plushkin

            says the owner of 33 accounts. LOL

            U_mtate, Mikalish tater, mikers, Michael, Hidan, richhead. The last one is the most recent after even Hidan got banned.

      • Plushkin

        LOL. never graduated from a kindergarten? I thought so.

  • Owen123

    Another viewpoint could be asking the question of  what is the 5th fleet is doing in Persian Gulf? In practical terms, the Gulf is really an American lake. The rescue of Iranian sailors in the Gulf and Arabian sea twice in less than one week is no surprise; there are too many American vessels in the region. We are so used to American hegemony all over the world, land, sea and air that we never question if this is OK. Just the other day, Panetta said something essentially like this” yes, you bet we will carry on flying drones over Iran”.  So, we own the sea , the land and the sky! Sovereignity of other countries is meaningless to us.  

    Going back to the question asked at the outset, the fleet is there on account of what is in the southern shores of Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia, and a bunch of tiny countries created artificially by the British. Why were these small sheikdoms  elevated to statehood by British? Because the tiny, artificial state  needs the colonial state for protection. When British could not carry on this task anymore, US and its vassal  Shah of Iran stepped in. This was called Nixon doctrine. (One correction: the relationship between US and Saudi’s predates this, it goes back to Roosevelt.)

    I can go on and recount the rest of the history, but suffice it to say that US forces are there to act as protectors of the medieval, reactionary regimes of the Gulf. Isn’t that interesting that we pay double premium for our oil from that region in the sense that we pay for its cost plus we pay for its protection via our tax dollars which pay for the fleet!

  • Hidan

    Amir failed to inform the readers that Daniel Pipes and his group is listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center hate groups. Know that’s irony  Pipes and his group is listed as a Hate Group. Now remember that Amir said Pipes is 100% right and supports this man who just so happens group is listed as a Hate Group by
    the Southern Poverty Law Center.
     
    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?s=%22daniel+pipes%22&submit=
     
    Their research – which is routinely exaggerated, deceptively selective or outright false – empowers key
    “grassroots” activists, particularly Brigitte Gabriel of ACT! for America, Pamela
    Geller of Stop Islamization of America (see also here
    and here), and David
    Horowitz of the David Horowitz Freedom
    Center; and a small group of “validators” of Middle Eastern extraction,
    including Nonie Darwish, Zuhdi Jasser, Walid Phares and Walid Shoebat,
    the report said.

    And Amir trying to make Pipes not sound like a Islamophobe post from( but doesn’t cite where he post from) an Far right site known for racism and bigotry. The common themes of the folks who praise Pipes are there over the top
    hatred from Muslims. (The exception being Michelle B.) Most are also listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center.
     
    What you’ll find about the people praising pipes that many tend to be wack jobs themselves or have financial/political connection to the guy. All reviewed by the http://dp.heritagestudyprograms.com/bios.htm
    aka a rightwing think tank posing as a
    creditable organization. Much like Amir links most pretend to be
    objective or serious when in fact there clearly not.
     
     
    1st 
    The Amir relies on the lazy not researching who are the people who have
    praised Pipes Take for example Jeff Jacoby. Not only was the guy fired
    from the Boston
    globe some of the stuff he writes on his own site is quite crazy. He
    also wrote for the laughable Boston Herald which host people like
    Michael Gramm and Jay Servin.
     
    Some of the stuff Jacoby wrote
    KERRY’S U.N. FETISH
    SAME-SEX MARRIAGE VS. CIVIL RIGHTS
     
    Starts with “Homosexual marriage is not a civil rights issue.”
    A JUST WAR, WITH OR WITHOUT WMD
    IS LAWFUL POLYGAMY NEXT?
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jacoby_(columnist)
     
     
    Jeff Jacoby’s column has been published on the op-ed page of the Boston Globe since
    1994. From 1987 to 1994, he was chief editorial writer for the Boston Herald. Within months of his debut at the Globe,
    he was described by the left-leaning Boston Phoenix as “the region’s pre-eminent spokesman for Conservative Nation,”

     
    In 2000, Jacoby
    was suspended by the Globe for four months without pay for what the
    paper called his “serious journalistic misconduct”

     
     
    2nd take Steven L. Spiegel,
     
    Turns out Steven L. Spiegel is sits on the board of what the Southern Poverty Law Center deems a hate group.
    Reviewed by Steven L. Spiegel

    The Wall Street Journal
     
    Steven L Spiegel sits on the board of the group Pipes founded.
    Middle East Quarterly
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Quarterly
     
    (when did Christopher Hitchens before a Jihud ist?)
     
    3rd
    take the WAPO praise  by Michelle Boorstein or cited Pipes for backing
    Robert Spencer and Pam Geller book who it turns out is also on the
    Southern Poverty
    Law Center list of Hate Groups/People. Pam Geller promoted the view that Obama is Malcolm
    X’s love child and runs the religion of peace.
     
    4th
    Robert Spencer who Pipes praises in the WAPO piece
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spencer_(author)
     
    Spencer’s work has been criticized as showing “entrenched hostility” towards Islam,[23]
    and condemned as hate speech by a number of Muslim-American and civil rights groups

     
    Benazir Bhutto
    accused Spencer of “falsely constructing a divide between Islam and
    West”. She said he was using the
    Internet to spread hatred of Islam by presenting a “skewed, one-sided,
    and inflammatory story that only helps to sow the seed of civilizational
    conflict”.

     
    “The Southern
    Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has named Spencer and SIOA co-founder Pamela Geller as the founders of an anti-Muslim hate group.[30][31]
    In the Summer 2011 issue of Intelligence Report,
    published by the SPLC, Robert Steinback listed Spencer as a member of
    the “anti-Muslim inner circle”, noting that “Spencer has been known to
    fraternize
    with European racists and neo-fascists, though he says such contacts
    were merely incidental.”[32]Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) listed Spencer as a “Smearcaster”, and stated that “by selectively ignoring inconvenient
    Islamic texts and commentaries, Spencer concludes that Islam is innately extremist and violent”.[33]

     
    Again pipes believes and wrote that obama is a secert muslims
     
    On his own website and in articles for The
    Jerusalem Post, Pipes claimed that Barack Obama was a former Muslim.[45]
    He alleged that Obama falsely claims that he had never been a Muslim,
    and that “the campaign appears to be either ignorant or fabricating when
    it states that Obama never prayed in a mosque.”[46]
    Pipes wrote an article for FrontPage Magazine entitled “Confirmed: Barack
    Obama Practiced Islam.

     

    • Hidan

      “(when did Christopher Hitchens become a Jihudist?)”

    • Plushkin

      Oh again “islamophobes are everywhere !!” Boo-ya.
      One more time Pipes spent more time studying Islam and its history then Hidan bashing everything combined. Pipe’s credentials are impeccable and our little apologist for all things arab/muslim is getting really desperate here for everyone to see. This `islamophobic’ card is way overplayed.    

  • Plushkin

    Joint US-Israel drill called off by Netanyahu, to Washington’s surprise
    The underlying message was that the Israeli government felt free to attack Iran’s nuclear sites on its own if necessary and at a time of its choosing. 
    http://debka.com/article/21656/

  • Plushkin

    Amir failed to inform the readers that Daniel Pipes and his group is listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center hate groups

    Hmm… that’s me apparently.

    The above quote is just a downright lie. Which is what everyone should come to expect from radical left. True that they are no fans of Pipes and deal labels as easily as Hidan does, however their enumeration of hate groups lists nothing even remotely associated with Pipes.     

  • John Riley

    What have they got to lose?

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Apr 18, 2014
Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks during a nationally televised question-and-answer session in Moscow on Thursday, April 17, 2014. President Vladimir Putin has urged an end to the blockade of Moldova’s separatist province of Trans-Dniester. Trans-Dniester, located in eastern part of Moldova on border with Ukraine, has run its own affairs without international recognition since a 1992 war. Russian troops are stationed there.  (AP)

Deadly clashes in Eastern Ukraine. A white supremacist rocks Kansas City. The Marathon bombing anniversary. And Bloomberg on guns. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Apr 18, 2014
This undated photo provided by NASA on April 2, 2014 shows Saturn's moon Enceladus. The "tiger stripes" are long fractures from which water vapor jets are emitted. Scientists have uncovered a vast ocean beneath the icy surface of the moon, they announced Thursday, April 3, 2014. Italian and American researchers made the discovery using Cassini, a NASA-European spacecraft still exploring Saturn and its rings 17 years after its launch from Cape Canaveral. (AP)

Oceans in Space. The new discovery on a moon of Saturn, and the possibility of life there.

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Apr 18, 2014
This undated photo provided by NASA on April 2, 2014 shows Saturn's moon Enceladus. The "tiger stripes" are long fractures from which water vapor jets are emitted. Scientists have uncovered a vast ocean beneath the icy surface of the moon, they announced Thursday, April 3, 2014. Italian and American researchers made the discovery using Cassini, a NASA-European spacecraft still exploring Saturn and its rings 17 years after its launch from Cape Canaveral. (AP)

Oceans in Space. The new discovery on a moon of Saturn, and the possibility of life there.

 
Apr 18, 2014
Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks during a nationally televised question-and-answer session in Moscow on Thursday, April 17, 2014. President Vladimir Putin has urged an end to the blockade of Moldova’s separatist province of Trans-Dniester. Trans-Dniester, located in eastern part of Moldova on border with Ukraine, has run its own affairs without international recognition since a 1992 war. Russian troops are stationed there.  (AP)

Deadly clashes in Eastern Ukraine. A white supremacist rocks Kansas City. The Marathon bombing anniversary. And Bloomberg on guns. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

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Our Week In The Web: April 18, 2014
Friday, Apr 18, 2014

Space moon oceans, Gabriel García Márquez and the problems with depressing weeks in the news. Also: important / unnecessary infographics that help explain everyone’s favorite 1980′s power ballad.

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Some Tools And Tricks For College Financial Aid
Thursday, Apr 17, 2014

Some helpful links and tools for navigating FAFSA and other college financial aid tools.

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