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Syria And The New Middle East

Jacki Lyden in for Tom Ashbrook

Syria’s uprising may be going from slow burn to full on civil war. The latest news on that story, and what it means, big picture, for the U.S.

Syrian protesters shout anti-Syrian Preident Bashar Assad slogans during a protest in front of the Arab League headquarters in Cairo, Egypt, Saturday, Nov.12, 2011 where the League emergency session on Syria is to discuss the country's failure to end bloodshed caused by government crackdowns on civil protests. Protesters called the Arab League to suspend the country's membership. Arabic read " step out, we need to build civilian modern country" (AP)

Syrian protesters shout anti-Syrian Preident Bashar Assad slogans during a protest in front of the Arab League headquarters in Cairo, Egypt, Saturday, Nov.12, 2011 where the League emergency session on Syria is to discuss the country's failure to end bloodshed caused by government crackdowns on civil protests. Protesters called the Arab League to suspend the country's membership. Arabic read " step out, we need to build civilian modern country" (AP)

The Syrian conflict has been going on for eight months with no end in sight. Only last spring, U.S. policy makers viewed Bashar Al-Assad as a reformer–a perception that quickly changed as tanks rolled into Syrian cities.

Now, the Arab League itself has suspended Syria for bloody repression against its own citizens. Syria dwarfs Libya as a geopolitical concern but the U.S. and NATO are not talking about intervention. At least not yet. And if Syria’s leaders fall, where does that leave its shadowy supporter: Iran?

This hour On Point: the Syrian problem and U.S. strategy.

-Jacki Lyden

Guests

Nada Bakri, reporter for the New York Times.

Robin Wright,  a journalist, author and foreign policy analyst.

Karim Sadjadpour, an associate at the Carnegie Endowment.

Highlights

The conflict in Syria is growing in intensity, even as the nature and role of the opposition forces is unclear. In a country riven with sectarian divisions, there are numerous factions vying for power inside Syria.

What has become clear, however, is a likely outcome. “There is a general sense in the United States and analysts in the region that president Bashar Al-Assad cannot survive this crisis politically, but he can string it out in a way that thousands more people will die in the months ahead,” said Robin Wright, a journalist, author and foreign policy analyst.

For the United States, the issue of Syria is closely tied with its most powerful backer, Iran.

“The Assad regime in Syria is not only Iran’s most important ally in the Middle East, you could argue that on a global level, it has been an absolutely critical relationship for the Islamic Republic,” said Karim Sadjadpour, an associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Iran is “doing everything that it can to make sure that the Assad regime does not fall, offering them financial credits, subsidized oil,…to offering strategic and tactical advice on how to quell the uprising.”

But the regime, Syria might be beyond saving. “It has reached such a point in Syria, where I think that the Iranian government has been forced to contemplate the collapse of the Assad regime,” said Sadjadpour. He pointed to news reports of Iranian officials actually meeting with elements of the Syrian opposition in recent weeks.

Meanwhile, the attacks in recent weeks inside of Syria are growing in number. “The nature of them is so brazen recently and so courageous,” said Nada Bakri, reporter for the New York Times. However, Bakri added, the reporting of attacks has been incomplete: it is often unclear which factions are behind which attacks.

From The Reading List

Foreign Policy “In the early morning hours of Nov. 16, Syrian army defectors staged a daring raid on an Air Force Intelligence Directorate complex on the northern edge of Damascus. Employing heavy weapons and machine guns, the attack not only shook the Syrian capital, it struck at the heart of the regime — the air force was former President Hafez al-Assad’s base of support when he seized control of the Syrian state in 1970 — and during the current unrest its intelligence services have been used to squelch dissent within the armed services.

Tehran Times “Syrian government has decided to boycott an Arab League meeting due to be held in the Moroccan capital, Rabat, a Syrian foreign ministry official says. ”

Reuters “Growing Syrian army defections do not yet pose a mortal threat to President Bashar al-Assad, but outside support could turn the dissidents into a national insurgency able to harass and exhaust his military.”

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  • JUST CORY PLEASE!

    Still too early to refer to it as the “New Middle East”.  Calm down, and let’s see what exists after the sand settles.

    • Yar

      @e533c71f78b04b5363a41d402415bf87:disqus Cory, you can create a Disqus ID and edit your username. I think you can also delete your account and the posts will be changed to say guest.  Your email address is what links to the  username.  I believe that by creating a Disqus ID you can consolidate posts created under your different usernames into one.  It will even change the listed username on past shows.

      • JUST CORY PLEASE!

        Thanks Yar.  I reached my “VCR threshold” (the point at which new technology doesn’t process very well ie grandma can’t program the VCR).  I’ve fooled around and reset it a few times and occasionaly it pulls my full name off my email address.  My reputation as a neo-Luddite is secure!

  • Hidan

    Good Turkey is stepping up against Assad but it’s quite funny listening to statements from countries such as Jordan or Saudi A claim they care about human rights when both countries are rule be despots.

    • JUST CORY PLEASE!

      Good Turkey requires little more than olive oil, seasoning, and a long and slow roasting method.  Bon Apetit!

      • Hidan

        No stuffing?

        • Brett

          …And, to ALL, here’s to the New Middle FEast!  

          • Hidan

            Could you pass along some of that wit to Greg?

          • Anonymous

            with some roast beast…

    • Hidan

      “by”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I hope Turkey invades Syria to Liberate the Syrian People!.

    • Anonymous

      Except for the problem that Syria has one of the largest armies in the Middle East and that kind of action could spark a huge war in the region. I’m not sure that’s such a realistic idea.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        Syrian Army is obsolete.

        • Anonymous

          Easy to say sitting in our homes here in the US.
          Anyway it’s a moot point as it would also be an act of war which would be just what the Assad regime would use to it’s advantage.
          Iran might enter this and then what? WW3?

          • Modavations

            Check out what Colin Powell did to Sadaams troops, as they fled Kuwait.He greased 500000 in 6 minutes

          • Modavations

            Read 50,000

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I hope Turkey invades Syria to Liberate the Syrian People!.

  • JUST CORY PLEASE!

    Why the assumption that new leadership in these countries will be any better and not even worse than current?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Good Question!  Watch for the worst, and HOPE for the best!
           No one can tell how things will work out.  They can HOPE, and work for the best outcome.
           Religions tell people how they should live, but have leadership that are grossly immoral!  Maybe not all, but many!

      • Hidan

        Right on,

        I find it interesting some (not cork) often makes claims one country can’t have democracy cause the extremist or radicals could in the future take power yet oddly enough see very little problem with supporting governments that are extremist/radical.

        Take Libya vs Egypt for example,

        The U.S. supported mubarak almost to the very end constantly making the claim the Muslim Brotherhood would take over often omitting the moderation of such group and even a further split as well. Yet in Libya these same Experts,Officials, Journalist etc. dismissed,omitted the actual extremist in the TNC in Libya, and dismissing how some of the TNC rebels fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan. 

        • Modavations

          Dude,it’s so simple.The laissez faire countries suceed and the socialist ones, fail.

          • Hidan

            Yep haiti doing great under that model compared that socialist county known as Sweden

          • Modavations

            Sweden has about 20million white guys and they are ruled by the “right.Norway and Finland are left-right coalitions.Anyone with a homogenous population of 13-20million ,can be anything.The only thing Finland ever put in orbit was a Sardine

          • JUST CORY PLEASE!

            Where does that leave China, who is laissez faire, socialist, communist/totalitarian?  They seem to be having robust success.

            The problem with your assertion is that it is so absolute.  As Obi Wan Kenobi said, “Only a Sith deals in absolutes”.  Your cookie cutter statement doesn’t apply to modern China, WWI Russia, or Weimar Germany.

          • notafeminista

            Well except for the fact that they have near 20% unemployment, back breaking poverty, execute girl babies and have mandatory population control.

          • Modavations

            Oh you’re such a nit-picker.And don’t forget Tianemen(?)Sq.

          • notafeminista

            Interesting point.  I didn’t see any tanks at UC-Davis….

          • Modavations

            Excuse me,Spain just flipped.China is half way home.

    • Hidan

      So no democracy if someone else fears extremist could be in the government than? How does this rule apply to Asian? Europe? the U.S.? Israel?  By all accounts the U.S. wants Syria to remain under Assad until at least they can find a puppet government to replace him.

      • JUST CORY PLEASE!

        I don’t always assume democracy is the best option.  It is great that these populations are getting rid of govt they don’t like, but it is so important to see what comes after.

        • Hidan

          How can you see what comes after if you deny democracy from happening?

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Will the GREEDY rich hold on to power in Syria? 
         The LUST for POWER, seems to me to be the root of all EVIL.  Money is only one form of power, and is not always involved in Evil like rape, child-molesting, and others!
        Acquiring and holding power, by force or lies, is ILLEGITIMATE power!  Illegitimate power is ALWAYS at risk!

    • Modavations

      Young lady,if you’d remove the, ever present “classist chip”from your shoulder,you’d think more clearly

      • TFRX

        For everyone with whom I wagered that Moda could go an hour without a projection-reeking gender-confused post, you may collect your winnings at the gate. Thanks for playing.

        • Modavations

          I am guilty,if she is male.To me she-he soun ds masculine.And what gender are you.I think you’re male,but you are certainly shrill ,so who knows.No offense meant

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Off your meds?  Too much meds?  Your memory is GONE!!

  • Hidan

    Maybe Assad should have told the people in homs that protestors need to return home so Workers can clean-up the area? Or maybe like our Mayor in Oakland banning protest from Public Parks and Public spaces? Or maybe Assad can take one from the NY Police department and Ban journalist when crackdowns occurred?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Recently, I heard on NPR that Russia would veto any intervention by the United Nations.  Is that part of what makes Syria different from Libya?

    • Hidan

      No.

      Much like Egypt the U.S. supported keeping Assad in power until the very end. As for Libya it was a great excuse to take down Gahafi and install a pro-corporation state.

      • Kristina S.

        Actually, the situation is much more complicated than that.  Syria is a country of different tribes that probably would not agree on democratic rule (just as the groups in Iraq and Afganistan are struggling).  Considering the strenth of Syria’s military, instalbility and civil war in the country could be worse than Assad’s way of maintaining power.

        As we see that Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya have not yet succedded in their govenmental transition, we should not be so quick to promote the actions elsewhere.

  • Hidan

    The U.S. will not push/do a another NATO invention until they find a puppet government to take Assad place. Unlike Libya Syria is to close to Israel who is fearful of refugees trying to come into Israel(infiltrator is what they call them). If a U.S. supported Nato bombing/civil war were to occur than thousands of people would be flooding the borders and unlike Turkey it make Israel look bad when they state gunning civilians down much like Assad has been doing.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      And what puppet governments have we found for Tunisia, Libya, or Egypt?

      • Hidan

        Tunisia and Egypt were against U.S. interest, Libya was and on the start offered cheaper oil for U.S./Nato help

        http://www.npr.org/2011/11/14/142289603/libyas-economy-faces-new-tests-after-gadhafi-era

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Libya was already selling us oil.  Remember, the sanctions had been lifted when Gaddafi made a deal.

          • Hidan

            Again,

            The % Libyan profited from selling us oil was higher under Gadafi, the first thing the TNC did was lower it and went into contracts that  clearly benefit the oil companies

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8734278/Libya-British-team-aims-to-secure-oil-deals.html

            Bureau Recommends: Secret Libyan rebel oil deals

            The Bureau recommends coverage in the Telegraph and Libération about alleged British and French oil deals with the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC) and rebel forces.

            http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/09/02/bureau-recommends-secret-libyan-rebel-oil-deals/

            Aren’t you a professor or something? Do some research.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            I have a hard time trusting your sources, given your typical comments.

          • Hidan

            Nice comeback,

            So Greg instead admitting he was wrong or proving my sources are incorrect he makes the above statement. Typical of him like always and the guy claims to be a professor. lol

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            I just get tired of you and Pablo Caruso yammering about how it’s always a nefarious plot among the CIA, the Israelis, and the oil companies any time the people of a country rise up.  What about the Occupy Wall Street movement?  Do you blame that on Big Oil too?

          • Hidan

            So Again,

            Instead of proving my sources incorrect or admiring he was wrong greg choose to engage in argument by Pigheadedness and broad Generalization.

            “What about the Occupy Wall Street movement?  Do you blame that on Big Oil too?”

            Clear Non Sequitur. So far Gregg has not been able to prove my soucre wrong instead he goes with……. what was he going with? oh that’s right nothing.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            Why do you keep adding an extra “g” at the end of my first name?  Can’t you read?

          • Hidan

            Greg instead of addressing my post he complains about me adding a G to his last name. Greg also somehow doesn’t seem to understand that others may find his comments tiresome,lazy and uninformative.

            But hey I guess if greg believes it to be true it must be. 

          • Hidan

            More,

            Libération

            The story hits the headlines as French paper Libération reports that the NTC promised oil in return for French support at a summit in London in March.

            A letter published by the paper allegedly written by the NTC dated
            April 3 promised to ‘attribute 35% of the total crude oil production to
            France in return for total and permanent support for our Council.’

  • Modavations

    If we’d drill baby drill,we could turn our backs on the tyrants.Open the gulf and 50,000 go to work tommorrow.Open the Key stone Pipe(which had all the State Dept.approvals and environmental requirements) and 12000 go to work.By the way,the Chinese are drilling deep water wells off Cuba.That’s 60 miles(?) from Miami.In my opinion Assad is the worst of the worst.

    • Anonymous

      yawn…

    • Kristina S.

      So if we reduce our demand for oil based energy  could we”turn our back on the tyrants” and protect the environment?

      • Modavations

        2% of Us Energy is windmills,20% nukes…….We’re the cleanest country in the world.You have an ideological animous to oil.Oil is organic.A bounty of trees.

  • Modavations

    These guys will suceed only if they adopt Laissez Faire.Yesterday Spain gave the boot to the Socialists, in the biggest drubbing, since the advent of Free Elections.

  • Modavations

    let the sequesters begin.And voila,no fingerprints.Term Limits anyone!!!

  • Hidan

    If Syrians have the right for self defense can the Palestinians have it too?

    • JUST CORY PLEASE!

      No.  Next question.

      • JUST CORY PLEASE!

        A flippant answer meant to demonstrate that a direct and smple analogy of one to the other doesn’t work.  Apples and oranges, methinks.

        • Hidan

          Does it?

  • Hidan

    It’s interesting the Christians in Syria are in large part still supporting the Syrian Regime.

    Seems like Karim Sadjadpour is covering this now.

  • Hidan

    Saudi Arabia want’s to keep the Status Quo the same Saudi Arabia that is one of the most autocratic regimes in the area. Does anyone want to follow what Saudi Arabia wants?

    • JUST CORY PLEASE!

      Just people who like cheap oil.

      • Hidan

        That kinds of makes the whole spreading democracy and Human rights thing a joke.

        • Kristina S.

          Anyone who believes the US takes action based on Human Rights and spreading Democracy needs to believe such things to make themselves feel better.  Anyone who bases their thinking in reality knows otherwise.

          • Hidan

            I’m clearly aware that the U.S. is full of crap when our officials claim such. It used to be the media’s job to be critical of our government when they claim such but sadly most of the MSM fail in this department. Take the Libyan example lies, half truths used to claim the NFZ was there to help civilians to support regime change, selective quotes from arab leaders supporting it while omitting reporting and quotes of arab leaders against it, many are the same ones the U.S./Media earlier quoted.

          • Modavations

            The Democrats own the press.We used to call it the 4th estate.It’s become the 5th column

      • honeybunch

        Like Europeans, Mr Thatcher?

  • Modavations

    While Ms.Lyden is 80% Socialist,in my opinion,this is not good enough for Jeffe,Ultrax,N.J,et al.If you are not 100% doctrinaire,you’ve been coopted..The Left is not open minded,nor tolerant.They are Orwell’s,”Thought Police”.They are Farenheit’s ,”Book Burners”Listen guys, 50% of America is laissez faire and we pay 50% of NPR frieght.The play ground of the Limosine Liberal “es no mas”.By the way,happy independence, day Mexico.

    And yes indeed,Tom A., at $350,000.00 per annum, is of the 1%.

    • Anonymous

      How do you know what Jackie Lyden’s politics are.
      Have you asked her? No. That figures, typical right wing BS.
      Why not everyone a favor, take a long walk off a short pier.

      • Modavations

        She works for NPR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • nj

      Another day, another forum filled with bovine excrement from Moda-troll.

      Unencumbered, as always, by facts, reality, rational thought, or rudimentary knowledge of writing technique, spelling, or punctuation, Moda-troll blathers, “we pay 50% of NPR frieght.”

      NPR stations get about 11% of their revenue from federal funding.

      I’ve never made any comment about Ms. Lyden.

      $100 says Moda-troll has no credible reference for Mr. Ashbrook’s salary.

      • Modavations

        Right on cue.

      • Modavations

        I have spies everywhere and will stick to my #.Take the $100.00 and give it to charity.I’m well off.

      • Modavations

        Furthermore,most employees at NPR are hired as private contracters.That’s right,no health care,no pension,no nothing.Same with NYT.One half of the 11% is paid by us Laissez Faire types.This liberal playground ,like Syria,will soon become Liberated territory

  • PlowsharesCathy

    I haven’t seen any mention of the fact that Syria is home to more than 1.2 million Iraqi refugees and to 250,000 Palestinian refugees.  Also, part of Syria, the Golan Heights, is being occupied by Israel.  This occupation gives Israel control over much of the region’s water, thereby denying the Palestinians and the Syrians of water for drinking and for agriculture.  Syria’s role in the region has actually been one of generous peacemaking, in the face of US and Israeli aggression.  These refugees make up 10% of Syria’s population and can only contribute to stresses and complications in the country.  Ditto for the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights.  In a world that wasn’t ruled by US and Israeli military power, Syrians would have been receiving Nobel Peace Prizes.  I’m amazed that the so call “experts” on the program didn’t mention this.  Maybe their expertise lies in the field of deflecting criticism from US and Israeli military aggression. 

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Syria wouldn’t have lost the Golan Heights if it hadn’t attacked Israel.  Wars have consequences, and whining about the losers doesn’t change that.

      • Hidan

        another Uninformed Opinion from Gregg. 

        Defending the Holy Land

        Zeev Maoz

        A landmark analysis of the entire history of
        Israel’s defense and foreign policies and a fundamental reassessment of
        its security doctrine

        http://press.umich.edu/titleDetailDesc.do?id=166167

        Most of the wars in which Israel was involved, Maoz shows, were
        entirely avoidable, the result of deliberate Israeli aggression, flawed
        decision-making, and misguided conflict management strategies. None,
        with the possible exception of the 1948 War of Independence, were what
        Israelis call “wars of necessity.” They were all wars of choice—or,
        worse, folly.
        Demonstrating that Israel’s national security policy
        rested on the shaky pairing of a trigger-happy approach to the use of
        force with a hesitant and reactive peace diplomacy, Defending the Holy Land
        recounts in minute-by-minute detail how the ascendancy of Israel’s
        security establishment over its foreign policy apparatus led to
        unnecessary wars and missed opportunities for peace.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Oh, of course, because one book claims it, it must be so.  Yup, Israel asked for the 1967 war and for every other war.  Yup, Israel forced the Arab nations into fighting.

          The fact is that when the Arabs attack Israel, they lose land, then they whine about the loss.

          • Hidan

            Factually speaking Israel attacked first in 1967 WAR. Factually speaking the 1973 could have been avoided and the terms of the peace agreement offered before the war could have been adopted but Israel refused instead choose the goal of creating a Million strong settlement in Sinai . Gregg what you don’t get unlike yourself I research my sh#t. Just because you choose not to believe something doesn’t make it not true. Most creditable historians come along to the same point. Norm Chomsky has pointed this out and cites others at the time validating what Zeev Maoz claimed in his book.

            You display the same ignorance as of Fox newers crowd on here does and often the same debating methods and often argues from personal astonishment aka you believe your opinions as proven facts. Again I provided sources to my claims to back my opinion you so far have not besides the standard Red Herring agrument made.

            Again feel free to prove me wrong objective historians would be great.

          • Ak21ak20

            arabs lost land without war to israel isreal is only bout 60years old and was created by stealing and terrorizeing the palistenians and that was ok cuz it was jews doing the terrorist part

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Gregg?  Where?

      • PlowsharesCathy

        Syria did not attack Israel.  Israel attack Syria, just like they attacked Egypt and Jordan.  Then they tried to cover it up by sinking the USS Liberty, a spy ship.  But despite a 2 hour attack, during which the Israelis clearly knew they were attacking a US ship, the Liberty would not go down.  And it had intercepted messages from Israel planning the attack on Syria.   

    • Ak21ak20

      the assad family sold the hieghts along time ago ask anyone in the middleeast its just not talked about

  • Modavations

    While Syrian Men,Women and Children are shot dead,the spoiled children of the 1% ,cry when “tear gassed”.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      You mean 99%.

      • Modavations

        No sir,they are the spolied children ,of the rich.How pathetic are the brats of Harvard.They’re parents are the .25%

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          you never address someone Sir on One Point.

          • Modavations

            are you female.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            No I am not a female. just wondering about you said No Sir. you don’t usually address men like that on One Point. anyway, no biggy.

          • Modavations

            I’m old school.I go so far as opening doors for people.Call me quaint

          • Terry Tree Tree

            ???

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    It will be hard for the Syrian people to overthrow the current Syrian President. Free Syrian Army are now preparing for a counter strike but still need more arms and men to start an all out war against the Syrian government. The Free Syrian Army are now in Lebanon’s boarders. They will succeed if only they have more men to start the attack.

  • Modavations

    To our soon to be liberated brothers in Syria,take notice.7 years ago(?),Madrid is bombed and Zapatero’s socialist party takes power.Spain was booming and the 4th largest economy.Zapatero’s modus operandi was tax the rich and create a Green Economy.Yesterday,the Socialists suffered the largest landslide defeat, since the advent of Free Elections.Syria was once Phoenicia.The greatest sea faring,mercantilists on  the planet.If you rediscover your laissez faire roots,yo’ll do just fine.

    • Anonymous

      Sounds like an interesting plot for a fantasy film.

  • Metalfumefever

    funny…I hear everything about a possible Sunni “extremist” post Bashar Sunni extremist Sharia based government, but I do not hear anything about a moderate Sharia form of government.  Such a thing, Sunni or Shia, does exist.  Just as Noble Peace Prize winner, Sharin Ebadi, just how “democratic” Sharia can be.
     

  • Metalfumefever

    funny I hear a lot about an “extremist” sunni Sharia form of gov in post, Assad Syria, but I do not hear anything about a “moderate” Sharia government, whether Sunni or Shia.  Such a government does exist…just ask Noble Peace Prize winner, Sharin Ebadi (Google her…I don’t have time, if u don’t know her)

  • Archibold

    Part 2 of 2

    Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO. The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important. The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping. NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7′s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“. The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide. Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch. If you have any questions about this story…you are a batshit, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever. This has been a public service announcement by: the Friends of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, White House, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission. Because Ignorance is Strength.

  • Archibold

    Part 1 of 2

    What a wonderful piece by GoughLewis11/16/2011 05:37 AM

    Enough of war garbage on behalf of Tel-Aviv against United States of Syria.  Let’s worry about what happened on 9/11 in the United States of America
    http://www.HumanGenome.org/FBI

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    On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history. The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“.

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