Keys To Presidential Success

With Mike Pesca in for Tom Ashbrook

What it takes to succeed on the presidential campaign trail, and on the national stage. Top strategists weigh in.

Republican presidential candidates from left, Jon Huntsman,  speaks as Michele Bachmann,  Ron Paul, Herman Cain, and Mitt Romney,  listen during the CBS News/National Journal foreign policy debate at the Benjamin Johnson Arena, Saturday, Nov. 12, 2011 in Spartanburg, S.C. (AP)

Republican presidential candidates from left, Jon Huntsman, speaks as Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul, Herman Cain, and Mitt Romney, listen during the CBS News/National Journal foreign policy debate at the Benjamin Johnson Arena, Saturday, Nov. 12, 2011 in Spartanburg, S.C. (AP)

Almost 20 years ago, Richard Ben Cramer wrote the seminal book about the characters and character of men who would be president. What it Takes- the “it” was the mettle, experience and personality.

But what of the process itself, managing primaries and pollsters, tamping down scandals, raising money, getting press coverage, making sure it’s the right kind of coverage, managing a staff, managing expectations. This is the interview process for the most important job in the world. We’re all the hiring committee; do we like what we see?

This hour, On Point: The Presidency: what we want.

-Mike Pesca

Guests

Ken Walsh, Chief White House correspondent for U.S. News & World Report. He has covered the presidency, presidential campaigns, and national politics since 1986.

Tad Devine, a Democratic political consultant and president of the media consulting firm Devine Mulvey. His work with democratic presidential candidates goes back to Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale. He was a senior adviser in Al Gore’s 2000 and John Kerry’s 2004 Presidential campaigns.

Nicole Wallace, she was Communications Director for the 2004 Bush-Cheney reelection campaign and later served as White House Communications communication chief during President Bush’s second term.

From The Reading List

Reuters “It was a little noticed event in Texas governor Rick Perry’s schedule, an October 28 visit to the Barley House tavern in Concord, New Hampshire, to sample a burger and be interviewed by a local radio station.”

L. A. Times “These seemingly contradictory concerns aren’t a sign of political schizophrenia. They are a rational response to two changes transforming the way the parties pick their presidential nominees.”

U.S. News & World Report “Whether it’s because of admirable perseverance or sheer stubbornness, the current batch of Republican presidential candidates never say die. Not even a feeding frenzy of epic proportions can drive them out of the race, as we’ve seen in the past week with Rick Perry and Herman Cain. What might have been natural exit points for politicians in the past–developments that were unsettling, embarrassing, or worse–have had little or no effect.”

 
  • Terry Tree Tree

    Mostly, it takes ‘bowing to the will of the money’.
         It takes the ability to convince people that you can do a job, that you CANNOT have the proper training, and experience for.

  • Michiganjf

    From what I’ve seen lately, it SHOULD take NOT BEING A REPUBLICAN.

    I doubt Americans have EVER seen such an unqualified field of Republican candidates… and it’s embarrassing to say, but that even includes Bushie junior. Good God!

    • Zing

      But hardly surprising, Sharon, when we consider how embarrassingly unqualified the current president is.  Allahu Akbar. 

      • CORY.

        Why the islamic phrase?

      • Anonymous

        Such mendacity and so early in the morning as well.
         

      • Anonymous

        You must be able to get people who think like “zing” does to vote for you.  IOW, be publicly and proudly batshit crazy.  And never back down, regardless of the facts.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Zing is islamic?  Are you Taliban, Sheite, Shia, Iranian, or which demonination of Muslim?

  • Yar

    The key is to pander.
    Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you.Individuals don’t run for president, corporations seek the office.  It takes a corporate machine to get elected, the office has become bigger than an individual. Our democracy has turned into an angry mob. We demand an unfunded government that serves us and no one else.  We want our boarders closed, our trade free, our jobs are protected.  We demand lives free of regulation. We demand cheap food and energy.  We don’t understand our economy and expect nothing bad to ever happen to us, regardless of how destructive we are to ourselves. We are a polarized ungovernable nation.  We are in a crisis, we don’t know what to do and attack anyone who attempts to help us.  We want a county where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the kids are above average.  Did I miss anything?

  • Wm. James from Missouri

    So you want to be President. It’s easy. Start by removing  vision and intelligence from you brain. Make sure your teeth are super white, you wouldn’t want to look bad for the ‘tele’.

  • CORY.

    With history as a guide, here is what you need in your toolbox to become president.

    1.  Be male.
    2.  Have a full head of hair.
    3.  Access to massive wealth.
    4.  Be able to infinitely parse the truth.
    5.  Military backround a modest plus (historically).
    6.  Be able to surf the edge of mindless emotion (yes we can?)

    • Hidan

      Actually #6 didn’t start until the 70′s where people could go to school for P.R. and gotten worst has think groups were used more and more to come up with phases/words used to sell to the public things that if looked closely doesn’t really make any sense or is actually not true a half true or distortion.

      Such as.

      “Job Creators”
      “High Tech Lynching”
      “trickle down economics”
      “Kinetic War”
      “collateral damage”
      “Enhanced interrogation”

      • Hidan

        “Actually #6 didn’t start until the 70′s where people could go to school
        for P.R. and gotten worst. These think groups were than used more and more to
        come up with phases/words to sell to the public things that if
        looked closely doesn’t really make any sense or is actually not true a
        half true or distortion.”

  • Anonymous

    Thick skin.

  • Hidan

    Not to do this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_nDFKAmCo

    or this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTNjhcyx7dM

    or this

    Calling for the arrest of Frank and Dodd for working with Freddie than turning out the same person lobbied for them at a cost of 300k

    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/newts-fannie-mae-lobbying-whopper

    or this,

    http://www.newser.com/story/122126/michele-bachmann-gaffes-the-top-12.html

    or be a moderate link Huntman or hold views against endless war,or question blind support of a racist country(seems the media calls a black out if this occurs)

  • Hidan

    Uncle Cain….ooh I mean Uncle Ruckus best moments

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDaC16Q35tA

    Comparison of Uncle Ruckus and Uncle Cain

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5EiyrrC68M&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL358D6CB0FDF41D31

    He explains this even so the likes of Gregg could understand.  Of course bigots that love Cain rarely do.

  • Hidan

    They think the below is the key to success to becoming president.

    “Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American male.

    Gay bashin’, black fearin’, poor fightin’, tree killin’, regioal leaders of sales

    Frat housin’, keg tappin’, shirt tuckin’, back slappin’ haters of hippies like me.

    Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like me.

    Tree huggin’, love makin’, pro choicen, gay weddin’, widespread diggin’ hippies like me.

    Skin color-blinded, conspiracy-minded, protestors of corporate greed,

    We who have nothing and most likely will ‘till we all wind up locked up in jails

    By conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American males,.”

    “Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American males,

    Soul savin’, flag wavin’, Rush lovin’, land pavin’ personal friends to the Quayles

    Quite diligently workin’ so hard to keep the free reins of this Democracy

    From tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, barefootin’ folk-singin’ hippies like me.

    Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like me.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si0WTCMrksw

    • Gregg

      Hideous projection.

      • Hidan

        Hit to hard there Gregg?

        • Gregg

          Missed by a mile.

      • Anonymous

        Well the truth hurts.

  • Mia

    The true question is, how many of us still believe that whom you vote for really makes that much of a difference?  The coporate coup d’état becomes more obvious everyday.  I’m sorry to be so cynical but it is so glaringly apparent that our political system has been run over by money and it won’t matter who you vote for until there is a separation of money from our political processes much as there was a separation of church and state in earlier history. 

    • Anonymous

      I’m sorry, if you think, for example, a Michelle Bachmann presidency would be little different than Obama’s presidency, you’re fooling yourself.  Yes, there are structural changes that will probably not be made regardless of who holds the White House, but there are a host of issues, from Supreme Court nominations to under-the-radar environmental policies that have a real impact.  Do you think Don’t Ask Don’t Tell would have been repealed under McCain?

      I agree that voting for Obama is voting for the lesser of two evils, and that we should be fighting to reform our system so that isn’t a necessity (instant run-off voting please!), but under the current system lesser is still better.

      • Anonymous

        “We should be fighting to reform our system.”

        Some are fighting for reform.  Are we willing to let them set up their tents within our view?  Or is a real fight for reform beyond our comfort level?

        • Anonymous

          I’m a big supporter of the Occupy Wall Street movement.  They should absolutely have the right to peaceful assembly in public spaces.

          • Anonymous

            Camping out is not a First Amendment right. If they had protests and rallies it would make more sense. This tent city thing is not helping them with people like me.

          • Mia

            Why does it bother you so much that they camp out?  Just curious.

          • nj

            Can’t speak for jeffe, but from my point of view, although i agree with the issues the OWSers are concerned about, i’m not sure that continuing the “occupying” camping tactic indefinitely is the best way forward. It has been useful in generating awareness, forcing the media to take notice, bringing a focus to the issues, etc., but i think it needs to evolve.

            The failed system they (we) would hope to change is just going to ignore them, and the media coverage will tend to focus more and more on the day-to-day problems that occur whenever any large group of people gather and less on the actual structural and economic injustices.

            New tactics need to emerge to keep the movement viable and moving ahead and to achieve the change so many of us want. Some possibilities include strikes, work stoppages, boycotts, taking over local/regional political structures as a first step to changing them, etc.

          • Anonymous

             I agree. I think it’s now working against them to some extent.
            It’s not the same as the Bonus Army, although there are similarities.
            Namely the idea of system being stacked against most people.

            As you say it has served a purpose but I think when some of the protesters are are yelling at people who are on their way to work they are not helping the message.

          • Mia

            Replying to nj and jeffe.

            Ok.  I understand your point of view now.  I particularly agree with nj’s last point-take over local/regional political structures.  The right – meaning big money- has been doing that for some time and it has worked well for them.

          • Anonymous

            That there is now a problem with health issues. That it has become more about the camping and the message is now being defused by it.
            It was a good way to get media attention for the messages of how the system has become unfair and dysfunctional, but it seems to me that it has become more about occupying the spaces and less about changing minds. As I said before, in Boston there are some who are yelling at people who are dressed in suits for work. This is not helping at all I think. 

          • Anonymous

            That’s true, Jeffe.  There has to a way around it. And keep in mind there a noble history of camping protests — in DC — that had a notably good effect on keeping us honest and democratic and fair, even to the limited extent that are. 

            It’s not good enough just to dismiss camping as somehow offensive to us slackers and non-joiners on the sidelines.  We need to ask ourselves about our tolerance of others’ rights and their willingness to sacrifice.
            ___

            Many of the questions we ask about Occupy are being answered right now on the Diane Rehm show.

            http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2011-11-16/future-occupy-movement

          • Anonymous

            There is a point where the camping becomes a distraction to the message. Sacrifice? I can’t afford to camp out. Give me a break, everyone I know is working and if they took a day or two off to protest they would lose their jobs.

      • Mia

        Of course a Michelle Bachman presidency isn’t the same as an Obama presidency.  I’m not that cynical.  But honestly, she doesn’t have a chance.  Looking at the Republican candidates, I will most likely cast a vote against them. 

        The question is somewhat rhetorical.  There are real structural problems that no candidate or elected official is brave and/or capable enough to address and we are all kept busy commenting on the horse race that is our current state of politics.  I find it frustrating. 

        • Anonymous

          Can’t disagree with that.

        • Anonymous

          So do I. The entire political system is dysfunctional. It stinks.

      • CORY.

        And…  the lesser of two evils is STILL the lesser of two evils!

      • Tina

        This is why it is so bad that Obama ran on Change, and then kept caving to status quo — he HELPED the opponents of those who voted for him and supported him!  He blew those first years when Democrats had the majority!  The man spoke in moral, inclusive terms, then acted in favor of the plutocracy  - what do we call that kind of behavior?  Betrayal?  Unbelievable, even with money in there as the determining factor, because his original “speak” still would make you think he would worry about NOT being a Betrayer!  

    • mary e.

      That is what the OWS is all about.  Hopefully, the more just world it seeks will  find expression in the voting booth.  Vote out those who cater to the monied elite-Dem or Repub-and hold them accountable, election after election.   

      • Anonymous

        Unfortunately OWS is on the verge of failing. Why? Because they have no vision and are letting the anarchist dictate the agenda.
        I was trying real hard to support them but now when I hear from friends who walk by them in down town Boston that people yell at them as they go to work I’m done. They don’t know what they are doing and they are now becoming a health risk. Camping out is not a first amendment right.  

  • Anonymous

    You have all forgotten the most important qualification: height. No one can be elected in this country if they are short (male, that is). Pretty much tells you all about the electorate of the US. Issues? Who cares. So mothers out there don’t tell your Johnny or Jimmy he can one day grow up to be president unless you plan on giving him growth hormone.

  • Anonymous
  • Chris B

    I’m reminded of the observation in The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy that anyone capable of getting themselves elected president should on no account be allowed to actually do the job.

    • Yar

      Would you use a professional football game to find a brain surgeon?  Both take athleticism and dexterity, but in very different areas. This is pretty much how elections relate to the job of being president. 

      • Chris B

        Well, possibly – you could have the potential surgeons audition by working out on concussed players.

  • Gregg

    The formula that worked for Obama was to make impossible promises that appealed to the far left but were never practical nor intended to be kept. Raising taxes on the rich, closing Gitmo, ending military tribunals and accelerating the Iraq withdrawal are a few examples. Then some more promises that had broader appeal were added as insincere platitudes. These include, no lobbyist, no signing statements, hope and change. Another essential factor is a sycophantic press unwilling to vet the candidate. 20 years being indoctrinated by Rev. Wright, no problem. Launch a campaign in the living room of an unrepentant terrorist, no biggee.  Make fun of people clinging to their religion unless it’s “Black Liberation Theology”, cool. Then get a pit bull chief of staff known for stabbing a table with a knife shouting “DEAD!” after every political opponents name, to exploit any crisis. Go around the world apologizing and bowing. Sprinkle in a good dose of white guilt and voila, President Obama.

    • Anonymous

      Funny, I remember Obama running as a moderate and distancing himself as much as possible from the race issue, or any hint that we should feel white guilt.

      • Gregg

        Paraphrasing: “people don’t like me because I look different form other Presidents on the money”. Even Bill Clinton said they played the race card on him.

    • Anonymous

      Well you had some good points until you went off the rails as a one would expect from a right wing tea party type.
      So on the right you have what: tax breaks and deregulation.
      That’s it. 

      • Gregg

        Seriously, where did I go off the rails? What did I misrepresent? 

        • Anonymous

          Another essential factor is a sycophantic press unwilling to vet the
          candidate. 20 years being indoctrinated by Rev. Wright, no problem.
          Launch a campaign in the living room of an unrepentant terrorist, no
          biggee.  Make fun of people clinging to their religion unless it’s
          “Black Liberation Theology”, cool.

          To me this is kind rhetoric is BS, nothing more or less.

          • Gregg

            You’re entitled to your opinion, thanks.

    • CORY.

      Triplr G Gregg,

      So these things you mentioned ONLY apply to the president currently in office?  Are you so locked into ideology that you can’t see past it to make a bigger argument?

      • Gregg

        I don’t know what you mean by “ONLY”, that wasn’t my point at all. My point is Obama’s election was an act of fraud. He may or may not be the first but he is the only one that matters now.

        • TFRX

          Fraud?

          Hilarious.

          • Gregg

            I just think if he was going to keep Gitmo open complete with military tribunals and indefinite detention he should have ran on it. If he was going to be a Muslim assassin beginning with the black teenagers he should have ran on it. If he was going to fill his staff with lobbyist he shouldn’t have campaigned on the opposite. He shouldn’t have ran on civility if he was going to hire Rahm Emanuel. He shouldn’t have claimed Obamacare would lower costs. He shouldn’t have said the “stimulus” would hold unemployment to 8%. He should not have sold the Country a bill of goods, I call it fraud.

          • TFRX

            “Run on civility”?

            Yes, he was so incivil. Nothing to do with the Teabaggers (and their media fluffers) going apesh!t because a black Democrat was elected to the White House. Nothing to do with being a centrist and Only Adult In The Room to the WATB Republicans in Congress.

            And your economic ignorance is compounding in a way I wish my savings account would.

            Fraud?

            Har dee har.

    • mary e.

      Barack Obama has changed more for the common good  in his first three years that any POTUS in generations.
      From the tiny brained, petty  Sean Hannity’s lips to your ears, Gregg.  To each his own.

      • Gregg

        “Hannity”!?

        Did I get something incorrect? Can you point it out or are platitudes all you have?

        • mary e.

          Oh, nothing incorrect, Gregg.  Just inconsequential in the scheme of things.  That unrepentent terrorist certainly convinced Obama to keep hands off those who would destroy our nation, right?

          • Gregg

            Fair enough but I think Obama’s support of the OWS revolution is right out of Ayers playbook. A Community organizer is nothing more than an agitator. It’s who he is. That’s fine, but wrapping it all up in a hopey changey cloak is kind of nauseating. I certainly don’t think his radical past is inconsequential.

          • mary e.

            Barack Obama was a community organizer when he was 24 years old, for heavens sake.  An agitator on the one hand, while bowing to the world on the other? 
            OWS is a consciousness rising, a movement that seeks a more just world, not one that rewards those with the most toys, that seeks to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.  It is in it’s first bloom, baby steps, but will prevail. 

          • Gregg

            I just don’t agree. I think the OWS is a revolution towards socialism. It’s rules for radicals. It’s Obama’s MO and to be honest I don’t think he believes America to be an exceptional nation. Hence the apologies.

  • Brett

    Keys to Presidential success…let’s see–ah, “remember your lines and don’t bump into the furniture!” 

  • mary e.

    We get the government we elect.  The Tea Party, Ayn Rand syncophants, who cater to the monied elite were elected into office.
    They were enabled as much by those who stayed home on election day as by those who cast their vote for them.
    OWS, I believe, stands a chance at changing that by bringing awareness to the many injustices in our system.

    • nj

      Yep, we got Obummer: Super-privatized “health care reform;” virtually no prosecution of Wall Street crimes after bailing the bastards out with our money; no prosecution of Bush-era crimes; illegal military action in Libya; continued subsidy of Big Energy, including $8b loan guarantees for nukes; appointed corporate shills and lobbyists at all levels of his administration; continues huge amounts of wasteful military and “homeland security” spending; continues operating Guantanamo, breaking yet another campaign promise; issued a signing statement to ignore international labor and environmental standards; continues policy of indefinite detentions for terrorist suspects; extended Patriot Act without enacting any reforms…

    • GetRealPeople

      Bunk.

      All the tea party or libertarian minded have been able to do is say no to new spending without equal cuts elsewhere. Given our debt situation, to not see the common sense in that is almost crazy.

      Other than that, to imply that we have or had, a more libertarian kind of system, is pure nonsense, even if it is easy for knee-jerkers to mischaracterize it, and blame it for our problems.

      We have had decades of Republican/Democratic Big government, Economic Central Management, Expensive Reckless Militarism, and Revolving door Wall St./Washington technocratic “leadership”, ie system rigging.

      That is so far from a rule of law, libertarian system, you would have to be nuts, or completely ignorant to argue otherwise.

      But missing the point like this, and failing to implicate and hold accountable the status quo system and Banking puppeteers and Crony-Captialism-Corrupters in both parties, and instead turning to confused red herrings about tea partiers or libertarians, will help to ensure they will continue to laugh their way to the bank.

  • nj

    Once again, On Point is off point. Asking the wrong questions gives answers that aren’t helpful or useful.

    As long as the system of laws and institutions are controlled by the corporations and oligarchs, it doesn’t much matter who is able to game it and play the electorate to become the placeholder of the monied interests in the White House.

    Today’s guest lineup will undoubtedly prate on about tactics, strategy, polling results, etc. For every hour of media coverage spent on analyzing the tactics of the campaign game and reporting horse-race results, there is scantly a minute that explores how and why the system is so broken and what might be done to fix it.

    More than just a few times a year, people need to be brought on these programs who will just come out and say the emperor has no clothes. In its current state, the political machine will not generate any candidate that is not beholden to powerful, vested interests. Relentlessly focusing of the minutia of political strategy within a disfunctional system merely distracts from the bigger issues.

    • CORY.

      Agreed.  It is even more than the US.  Recent events in Greece and Italy lead me to believe it is worldwide.  International money bullying the Greeks and others into obedience.

    • AccountabilityPerChance?

      Bring back Bill Black and Glenn Greenwald.

  • Anonymous

    Here is an excellent article by Robert Reich that relates to this subject.
    How wealthy corporate ideologues are pouring money into campaigns and we they people are being shut out. This is one of the things OWS was about but again it seems to me that they, we need to somehow take this to a larger level. Or maybe it’s just to late. Maybe people like me are toast.

    http://robertreich.org/post/12859224847

    • Steve

      If the right to assemble is only guaranteed  on plantations and in places that will not make others uncomfortable does it exist?

      • Anonymous

        That’s not what I said and you know it. You are perfect example of what I mean. Plantations? What do you mean by this?
        What I see here is people had a good idea and now it’s time to make this idea work on a larger level. Just camping out and getting into confrontations with the police is not going to help.

        The Vietnam war ended not because of antiwar protest, but because families from middle America were fed up with their sons dieing in a useless war. The protest did bring the anti-war movement into the eyes of the media and the country but in the end it was the a ground swell of the nation that set the agenda to end the war.

        If the OWS protesters start to get violent or let the anarchist amongst them set the agenda the movement is lost.   

        • Steve

          I do not disagree with you Jeffe.

          I was hoping to spark conversation as to how people ” take this to a larger level” on both sides of the political spectrum.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          The Anti-War protests of Vietnam, KEPT the deaths and lack of a way to success, and the futility of those, in the public eye!
              The Anti-War protests of Vietnam pointed out that some corporations were getting rich on the deaths of those sons and daughters, with NO end in sight, and no viable and desirable end!
              I served, and volunteered for Vietnam service, but by the time it was over, I had heard from Vietnam Vets, and saw through the corporate hype and lies!

  • Anonymous

    The real problem with our entire system is how money form unlimited campaign contributions is destroying our democracy.
    BUR has a good article on it.

    http://www.wbur.org/npr/142314581/illegal-during-watergate-unlimited-campaign-contributions-now-fair-game

  • Mlfogler

    Are you kidding?  It’s a HORRIBLE process!  There would have been thousands of people more fit for President than George W. Bush.  We need to get money out.  And we need more than 2 parties with clout.  And it would be refreshing to have someone without government experience.  With advisors, a brilliant non-government-experienced person could do a fine job.  Our process is HORRIBLE!!!!!

  • Tina

    If so many people believe in what they hear on Faux News while they simultaneously bash NPR and PBS, HOW can we expect that those same citizens can make good choices from our current “system” whereby other individuals vie to be the chosen candidates for office?  

  • Anonymous

    Sadly it’s all based on the best sound bytes, the best disinformation, and the most money. But that is what best supports the current oligarchy.

    While we get to go out and vote in our great democracy, the list of who we can vote for is made for us. The list of possible candidates has already been decided. In short, the whole thing is a farce.

  • MJ

    I hope you talk about this…We can’t always listen to promises candidates make when campaigning.  Presidents can’t keep all their promises. People running for president will not have access to all the same information that someone who is elected president. I want to elect someone I think will make the best decisions after they get into office. But how can we know who we can trust?

  • MJ

    I hope you talk about this…We can’t always listen to promises candidates make when campaigning.  Presidents can’t keep all their promises. People running for president will not have access to all the same information that someone who is elected president. I want to elect someone I think will make the best decisions after they get into office. But how can we know who we can trust?

  • AndyF

    Your guests display what the Republicans seem to live by…  Very intelligent people without ONE iota of common sense!!!

    They think “the process” is good for weeding out the best President???  Uh, yeah, the process may be great, but if the only candidates running are a pack of self-interested, Obama-hating (but dont know why) morons, what the heck does it matter that the process is “good”?!?!?!

    If you look at the entire Republican field, this is a group of people who couldnt muddle their way out of a paper bag with an Exit sign!

    These people have NO imagination, are COMPLETELY out of touch with the real world in America, and ONLY care about being elected – they dont actually give a damn about Americans.  Name even ONE who has ever demonstrated anything other than self-interest!

    If you were going to put together a Super Bowl winning football team, sure, you would assemble the best coaches and staff – but if you hired nothing but blind and deaf players, do you think you would field a great team?  Now look at the Republican pack – yeah, great process, but TOTAL LOSERS using the process.  So screw the process and lets find some not millionaire Americans who can identify with the very public they are supposed to be serving.

    And oh, if you think this is not the case, ask yourself this…  How the hell did a wimped out, completely out of touch idiot like George Bush become President???  I rest my case.

  • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

    Rescind Citizens United.  Money |= Free Speech.  All political donations must be transparent.  Public campaign finance with free broadcast time on the public’s airwaves.  Lower the hurdles for third parties and independents.  Remove the Electoral College.  All paid lobbyists must release the details of all their finances.

    Neil

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      How, exactly, has the Electoral College been a problem?  It works.  It may be odd, but it works, and I can’t see that the amendment process is worth the trouble that it would require to achieve a small end.

      Also, again, how does money buy your vote?

      • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

        The Electoral College obfuscates the people’s votes.  This makes the entire process more confused and vague — why not just use a direct popular vote?  If more/most people started voting because they trust and understand the process, then that is hardly a small benefit.

        Money affects the overall vote, with propagandist “news”, and by lobbyists, and by opaque and corruptible electronic voting machines, by partisan appointees in charge of elections, by barely disguised poll taxes, by corrupted campaign finances.

        Neil

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          In other words, money buys the votes of lazy voters.  I can’t really blame people with money when they take advantage of that group of voters.

          As for the Electoral College, isn’t the cure worse than the disease?  Do you really want to try passing a constitutional amendment, especially in this age when others would like to amend other parts?

          • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

            No, that is not an accurate restatement of what I said.  Who are the “lazy voters”?  Why should having money give anyone an advantage in elections?

            Money does NOT equal Free Speech.  Giving money to a candidate is an *act* of support.  Free *speech* is just that — a public endorsement.  If money was speech, then rich people have more rights than poor people — just like the pigs in Animal Farm.  No one is “more equal”.

            What is wrong with a popular vote to elect our President?  Every vote counts, not just the majority in each state.  The Electoral College solves nothing — and it confuses the issue.  So, the solution is far better, in my opinion.

            Neil

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      Oh, and the primary schedule should be on a rotating cycle.

      Neil

  • Anonymous

    This show is not answering anything. It’s just adding to the problem.
    Time to turn off.

    • Thomas P.

      I agree. The guests are making lengthy statements that are going unquestioned, and the questions that are being asked seem lightweight. Half-way through, I would have to agree that this program is meaningless. Basically, what I’ve learned so far is how great a president George W. Bush was (brought to us by one of his former employees). Might as well be watching FOX. 

  • Margbi

    Hooray for all the commentators who have said we need public financing. May I change that slightly to PUBLIC FINANCING!!!!   I said it before and I’ll say it again, politicians all turn out to be bagmen and the TV and radio networks are reaping all the benefits.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      And how is it that money buys your vote?

      • Margbi

        Aren’t you ready to throw the TV out the window when you see political ad after ad, and you have no way of verifying the contents or the sourcing? We all become cynical when we’re bombarded with data while the providers of such ads are reaping the profits. I didn’t say this buys anyone’s vote (except maybe in true cases of fraud) but it does turn us all into suckers who buy the shoddiest of merchandise because it’s presented as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          I just ignore the ads or use the mute button.  Of course, I do the same with all commercials, regardless of what they’re selling.

          • Margbi

            Good response.  I will strive to do likewise. Sometimes I can’t find the remote before the 30 second blip is over.

        • Leatherstocking

          Full transparency of political donations and then think for yourself.

  • Rex

    Rick Perry sounds eerily similar to George W. Bush.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    We need a new Teddy Roosevelt.  Of course, we haven’t elected someone at that intellectual level for a long time.

    • nj

      As if our current foreign policy isn’t interventionist enough.

  • miro

    Rick Perry is a complete moron — that’s objectively true.

    A brain freeze on camera is perhaps excusable, but
    look at his most recent proposals for Congress and the
    federal govt.

  • Michael A. Hayes

    I think this panel is a joke. I’m hearing things like maybe we should be grateful for our political process, and how George W. Bush is more popular now than when he was in office (puke!). These people are so disconnected. George Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 and was rammed into office by a corrupt supreme court. Of course voters feel disenfranchised. Corporations and lobbyists win elections in this country, not voters. Obama completely abandoned his base and it’s quite clear that this current system is not working. I am so disappointed by this segment of On Point. COME BACK TOM ASHBROOK! You people are a joke. Tad Devine – it is so obvious now why John Kerry
    lost in 2004. You have absolutely no defense for Nicole Wallace. Maybe you’re a really nice guy, but please, get a spine!

  • Worried for the country

    Misleading show title.  This show is about electoral success not presidential success.

  • Anonymous

    Government is owned and run by the 1%. Pretending these presidential elections are a “democratic process” is not going to fix this.

  • BHA in Vermont

    You can argue all you want about ‘good debating skills’ being important but Perry has done himself in with his ‘poor debating skills’.

    Debating is “make an arguement and defend it”. Perry can’t even remember all three of the departments he wants to eliminate. That has ZERO to do with debating skills.  The man is unprepared to be president of anything.

  • miro

    My god, Perry makes Palin, Bachmann, and Cain look like intellectuals.

    • Modavations

      Love your paintings.According to my pals in Dallas,they never had a recession.Texas created more new jobs,then the entire country,combined.God Bless Texas

      • Anonymous

        Texans have always been the best tellers of tall tales.

        • Modavations

          I love Austin.Remember seeing Commander Cody in the local bars

  • Anonymous

    Stephen Colbert should host the next Republican debate.

  • miro

    Perry compared to Wesley Clark?

    THAT’S AN INCREDIBLE STRETCH.

    The man’s completely incompetent.
    His only asset is good ole boy charm.

  • Worried for the country(MA)

    I don’t want to be harsh but Tad Devine seriously needs to revamp his resume.  He is only associated with losers.  The only one he is missing is Dukasis.

  • miro

    PERRY IS NO LBJ EITHER.

    This whole conversation gives this sorry bunch of Republican contenders way, way too much credit.

  • Anonymous

    I think Huckabee could have gotten the nomination this time.  The Christian nuts love him, he’s good on TV, is personable, and he isn’t Romney.

    • Modavations

      The vast majority of Reps. don’t give a hoot about religion(Romney,who will eventually win,is a Mormon).They’re into economics

      • Anonymous

        I’ll be waiting for the next Rep candidate who states the Bible is not a guide to behavior and see how ‘the vast majority of Reps” react.

        • Modavations

          Every party has distasteful constituents, they must appease.Term limits,puts an end to all shenanigans

  • Rex

    What does the timing of Rick Perry’s entry into the race have anything to do with anything?  How does that make him not look like an idiot in a debate?  Would we like Herman Cain more if he had entered earlier?

    More time does not make one more forgivable.

    • Anonymous

      I think his delayed entry led to a groundswell of people wanting him to enter to be the “real conservative” alternative to Romney.  Once he opened his mouth it was revealed he was as flawed as the rest of the alternatives to the inevitable Mitt. 

  • Bijom

    Rick Perry is the Rod Blagojevich of the South. A lot of hot air and cold calculation.

    • nj

      And they both have prominent hair.

  • Wes, Cambridge, MA

    What is this conversation about? How to create better smoke and mirrors? How to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people in a more effective way? The media focus more on superficial matters than matters of substance. Because the moneyed people decide who we can vote for, who gets taken seriously, we don’t have anyone in either major party to vote for who actually represents our interests. The system is rigged against the interests of the 99%. What we end up with is nothing better than a glorified oligarchy-plutocracy-corporatocracy masquerading as a democracy.

    Do we only get to choose someone who is extremely bad and someone who is very very bad? Either way we get screwed. To actually vote in our own best interests we need to take the risk of supporting and voting for a third party, like the Green Party, a party which is not bought by the 1%, rich and the corporations.

  • Limore

    Yes, what all of you guys in the media missed, and still don’t get about Perry is this: HE HAS A VERY SMALL BRAIN AND AN IQ OF A RABBIT. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY CAN SAVE HIM. HE IS NOT FIT TO BE THE HEAD OF 6TH GRADE, LET ALONE A PRESIDENT

    • Modavations

      My pals in Dallas, say Perry’s the real deal.These are guys I trust and have known for many moon.I don’t know Perry,but I do trust my mates

  • Anonymous

    I don’t get it.  Are we looking for a Rock star or date to the prom or a President?  Every Military person I talk to Likes Ron Paul because of his strong Defence position and anti militarism stance.  Liberal friends say he is the only anti war candidate for either party this year.  He has been anti wall street and anti FED when it wasn’t popular. Why is he a non player?  Too old , not pretty.  Give me a break.  Our vanity may hurt our country.

    • Steve

      He is not “popular” for the very reasons you mention.

    • Modavations

      Everyone likes him,but he’s viewed as the Ralph Nader, of the right.Also,he’s been suckling at the teet of govt.for 26years(?).I like Bloomberg-Trump.I demand Term Limits for the legislature

      • WhatToLosePeople?

        Paul/Nader 2012

        • Modavations

          They would probably do a better job.I thought you guys hated Nader.He cost Gore the election

          • Anonymous

            If he helps Paul nader Romney, I’ll almost forgive him.  (Not that I see any evidence of them running together as they have little in common.)

          • WhatToLosePeople?

            That’s the whole point.

            They do have some things in common, and those are the CORE things a VAST majority of people could agree on. Jettison all the outlying issues/policies and enact the common ground.

            WHY DO YOU ALL ARROGANTLY CELEBRATE OUR DIVIDED COUNTRY AND INSIST YOU AND YOUR FELLOW49% HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO SHOVE DOWN THE OTHER HALVES THROATS!?

            http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/22/ron-paul-ralph-nader-agree-on-progressive-libertarian-alliance/

            http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1220

          • Anonymous

            Maybe I missed it, but just what principles and policies do you think would be supported by your suggested 80%?  About that number currently support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans and their views are obviously being ignored with impunity by almost all their elected officials. 

          • WhatToLosePeople?

            That’s what I am asking you guys/gals.

            Why aren’t those 80% you say support wealthy tax voting Democratic?  Must be disagreeable points with Democratic Party. What are they?

            What are the stripped down American political/economic principles that 80% would agree on?

            This is our hard work if we want change.

            Saying that the 30% who won’t join you are too dumb to know better, while self-satisfying, won’t get the job done, and our decline at the hands of the power elite will continue.

          • Modavations

            I think they’re both honest and really do care about the well being of the country.

      • Anonymous

        What was Bloomberg’s position on term limits?

        • Modavations

          He was for them, before he was against them(what is your opinion of Herr Kerry?).Anyone who can run Manhattan and have a 60% approval rating,must be competent.Has anyone seen the DeKooning exhibit?

  • GetRealPeople

    3rd party that would win, is a Progressive-Libertarian alliance.

    OWS + Tea Party if stuck to core principles and not elaborate social engineerrig, could win.

    • GetRealPeople

      Ie: No Religious non-sense and no Socialism nonsense, but old-fashioned, fair play, rule of law, no-cronies, little guy has a chance Americanism.

      We will have no change without a real 80% platform, and that won’t happen with the tired old GOP or Liberal demonization platforms that they sell us like happy meals.

      Whether by guts or minds, most Americans know something stinks, hate the cronyism, and don’t accept socialism.

      Divided we fall.

      • AlreadyGone

        Divided we Dave in CT

        • nj

          New handle, same repetitive, tired, droning memes.

          People might actually agree with some of what he’s suggesting, but the rhetoric is so overbearingly obtuse and insistent, it’s a turn off.

    • WhoMadeTheSalad

      Dave in CT –

      The OWS doesn’t have any core principles (yet) and the Tea Party folks are just a reactionary trap created by the GOP for all of their downtrodden Reagan believers.

      ‘That ain’t no party, that ain’t no disco, that ain’t no fooling around…’

      That’s oil and water.  In theory – your salad dressing could happen when Paul looses the nomination and goes the third-party route.
      But, even if he acquires the double-digit popular vote, the electoral college would never go for it.

      Sorry to say – what we gots is what we’re going to get.

      • WhatToLosePeople?

        “the Tea Party folks are just a reactionary trap created by the GOP for all of their downtrodden Reagan believers.”

        That’s just wrong.  Maybe the co-opters are, but to suggest that people in this country that may have been Republicans, or more “conservative”, could not be genuinely outraged at both parties over some very fundamental problems in the wake of the finance scam, is ridiculous.

        I wish people on this board would spend half their time explaining what fundamental political/economic principle at least 80% of people in this country could agree on.

        Whatever that is, that is what we need to pursue.

        If you can’t get your social-engineering, financial-engineering utopia accepted by 80%, then get more fundamental.

        Voting?

        Laws?

        Markets?

        Accountability?

        People love the division and their self-righteous positions, much more than they do our country.

        We know who profits from it, the wonder is that we all go along…..

      • Bruce

        Agreed.  Sadly, what we got is a choice between BO who represents the Center-Left, and the GOP contenders who, with the exception of Huntsman, represent the hard, reactionary Right.  Romney defies categorization because he’s been on all sides of every issue even in his mature years.  

        So that leaves us effectively with no choice except BO:
        Center-Left or slightly to the Right of Genghis Khan.

        The false dichotomy between socialism and laissez-faire capitalism is just that–a convenient narrative to conflate liberalism and socialism.  The aim of the former is to expand individual autonomy and equal opportunity only when necessary thru govt. action; the goal of the latter is to ensure equal outcomes at the expense of freedom thru govt. action.  NOT THE SAME. 

        However, given the ahistorical, anti-empirical underpinnings of the laissez-faire, libertarian viewpoint, I’m not surprised at the continued propagation of such a flawed narrative on this forum and elsewhere. 

        Those who rail against crony capitalism and neglect to address the abuses, excesses and inefficiencies of unregulated, rapacious capitalism are misguided at best, disingenuous at worst. 

        • WhoMadeTheSalad

          Like WJC, the public was sold down the populist river with BO.

          The myth of BO and WJC is that they were center-left.

          The myth of our Republic is that we have a choice.

          Looking back over our presidents’ track records, one notices that after the winning candidate gets into office, they quickly become the exclusive puppet of the people behind the curtain and are compelled to do whatever they are told, or else.

          But, the people go on believing in democracy as a modern, mythological, political system.

          • Bruce

            I’m not as dismissive of BO as you are.  I am disappointed in the underperformance and caving.  However, how much of that is due to deliberate overpromising and demagoging verses GOP grandstanding, stonewalling and obstructionism?

            Yes, there is a mythology about our democracy.  And given the constraints of the Electoral College as well as the perversely, partisan abuse by the GOP of the filibuster and advice & consent rules in place, and that Party’s transparent attempt to manipulate these rules and systems for scoring political points, serving their corporate masters, and pandering to their base, I don’t see how BO can be viewed as just another tool of the elites.

            During the first debate, when all the GOP contenders raised their hands indicating they would not accept a 10 to 1 spending cut to tax increase ratio in order to address the national debt, it should have been obvious to anyone that this is not your father’s GOP, but rather a Party undermined by laissez-faire, anti-government, conspiracy-theory, flat earth zealots.

            With respect, in 1964 there was a substantive difference between Goldwater and Johnson; in 1968 would you argue with the benefit of hindsight that it didn’t matter that Nixon got elected when the disaffected Left stayed at home; in 2000, thanks to the spoiler, Nader, Bush II won. 

            I think that outcome alone should convince anyone who has soured on our system, not to give up, not to withdraw in righteous indignation, and not to pretend that these elections don’t have consequences.
             

          • WhoMadeTheSalad

            Bruce –

            You should be dismissive about OB’s performance, as should every liberal-minded person, especially the ones who had voted for him.
            (See the linked article “Little Hope for Change…”, below.)

            Time for opportunity:

            To change the system we need to throw the house and senate carpetbaggers out of office every election cycle until reform happens and our government starts serving the people.

            Eventually, the executive and judicial branches will acquiesce.

            This would have started to happen in 2008 except for the OB phenomenon. 

            This should be the rallying cry now except the Powers That Be are up to their ol’ tricks again on this cycle. 

            Divert everyone’s attention to avoid a ‘sweeping out of the barn’. 

            “Little Hope for Change: A Summary of the Bush-Obama Legacy”

            More than halfway through Barack Obama’s first term as president, little has changed from the Bush era when it comes to issues such as the War on Terror, civil liberties, militarism, corporate influence on government, secrecy, and environmental policy. This can by no means be blamed only on Republican obstructionism.

            http://www.obamatheconservative.com

          • Bruce

            You’re right, there were also plenty of Dems from conservative states & districts, otherwise known as Blue Dogs, who helped the GOP sabotage Obama’s agenda and strip or waterdown needed reforms.

            Agreed, those in Congress who were co-opted should be shown the exit.  However, I fear your “sweep out the barn” mentality if based solely on incumbency, is counterproductive.  It’s akin to the notion of across-the-board budget cuts without regard to the merit, value or efficacy of any of the programs being cut, to say nothing of the suffering caused by such an approach.

            Your “rallying cry” does not seem to allow for making distinctions, examining records and recognizing degrees of culpability–a lesson I’d guess Newt is now learning for the umpteenth time.

            And it’s puzzling, to say the least, how the reactionary Right can’t keep their demonization stories straight–first Obama was in bed with the socialists bent on setting up death panels under the guise of health care reform; now Obama is in bed with the crony capitalists who crashed our economy. 

            What is sad about this mind-set, particularly as appied to spending, is that if favors a cop-out by our elected leaders (and by extension the electorate).  We send leaders to Congress or state legislatures to make tough decisions about which programs work and which don’t.  It is an abdication and cop-out for them to rely on automatic cuts or arbitrary caps.

            Sadly, the GOP has been hijacked by a Tea Party bent on abandoning their responsibility to govern by simply opposing anything Obama puts forward.  They rail against big. govt. dysfunction and then elect politicians whose primary mission is to make or keep govt. dysfunctional.

            I’m not going to reply in full to your litany of items on which you claim no difference between Obama & BushII except to say that your observation reminds me of the similarly ludicrous suggestion that was put forward on this forum–namely that Ron Paul and Ralph Nader run together on the same ticket.

            We’ll see in the upcoming election how seriously this tortured logic is taken.  However, as to the first item (War on Terror), I can’t resist.  Even a cursory review of Obama’s performance indicates that most Americans approve of his handling of foreign  policy in general and the drawdown of troops from Iraq in particular.  As for Afghanistan, he is implementing the policy he promised during the campaign.  If the election hinged on foreign policy and militarism, he would be in a lot better shape than he is now relative to Romney the Chameleon or whatever not-Romney the GOP can dredge up in time for the election.

  • Mprufer

    I think its interesting that republican advisers and ex- republican administration office holders put their backing behind Romney, whose past views and policies were un-republican.  Steady Strong and Clear?  Sure — one things for sure — you can make yourself believe anything.

    • Zing

       I was for the war before I was against the war….John

  • Anonymous

    Romney isn’t everyone’s second choice.  75% of the Republicans can’t stand him and don’t trust him.  His support doesn’t go up or down.  The party establishment that is focused on winning the general election realizes that he is their best hope to beat Obama but the base of Christian zealots don’t trust him on the culture war issues that he has flip-flopped on.  If there were a single strong competitor to Romney that could unite that vote, that candidate would win.  There isn’t.  Which is why we have had successive surges for Bachmann, Perry, Cain, now Gingrich. 

  • PROOF

    Mr. Rest-in-Peace Perry, Mr. Mitt Wrongney, Mr. Cain’s Unable, Ms. MicHELLe Backwardsmann, Mr. Newt GrinchRICH, Mr. Ron Ayn Rand A-Paul-ing, and Mr. I’m on-the Hunt Man —

    I propose “Elect the dead, rotting corpse of Ronald “Gipper” Reagan or George “I lied and spent the whole thing” Bush — they would be better.

    • Zing

      We understand that the Bush second victory trauma is a permanent disability.

  • W Bradford

    We are listening to Nicole Wallace.  What a great service this program is doing to serve the public..   This was a key advisor to getting george Bush re-elected… ?   Not one criticism of his 8 years of leadership ? Thank you very much… and it took her several years to figure out Ms Palin ‘really wasnt qualified’  ?    And she likes Rick Perry… ?    I would posit that Ms Wallace is very much a part of the problem with democracy.. and that giving this women a forum for her insights and supposed knowledge provided a diservice to the American public

    • Zing

      You could always appear on OP and vindicate your unproven service to the American public.

  • Moon

    I also wonder about this site and many others channeling people into using DISQUS.  Do we notice when we supposidly agree that we sharing our contacts, emails and other information ? And its all invisable once they have you connected.  Im somehow in their system, although i feel ive never agreed, and no matter how hard ive tried to disengage, there seems no way to do it.  Id really like to know who and what is behind it.

  • Bruce

    What was that on CBS the other night?  I thought I had tuned into the Republican Candidates Debate, but what appeared was more like a rerun of the Wizard of Oz.  The contenders looked debate weary as if stumbling down the Yellow Brick Road until they finally reach the Emerald City where they have the following exchange with the Wizard:

    Newt:    Can you help me find a way to get rid of all my political and
                and personal baggage?
    Wizard:  Unfortunately, no sir!  As you’ve seen from your own consid-
                erable experience, public scrutiny of your past misdeeds rises
                with poll numbers.  The lesson from your recent surge is to
                use your new found 15 mins. of fame to peddle even more of
                your books & DVD’s, and rake in the profits before the public
                remembers your past shame as the only Speaker of the
                House disciplined for ethics violation, an adulterer, and a
                champion of Wealthcare who passed the largest capital gains
                tax cut and engineered the longest fed. govt. shutdown in
                U.S. history.

    Mitt:      Can you help me find a way to keep my promise and prevent
                Iran from developing a nuclear weapon?
    Wizard:  I’m afraid not.  Your bravado during the debate to impress
                the Tea Party base was ill-advised.  Even most Tea Partiers
                can see thru this bombast and can remember the last time a
                Republican ex-Gov. occupied the White House and the disas-
                trous results that followed his promise to find and eliminate
                those WMD’s in Iraq.  You should refuse to indulge such
                bluster now, even though your legion of groomers & handlers
                is evidently advising you to the contrary.

    Paul:     Can you help me find the formula for becoming that “generic”
                Republican candidate who all the polls indicate can beat
                Obama?
    Wizard:  No, especially not in your case.  Your ideological purity bor-
                ders on eccentricity.  Indeed, your admirers perceive in you
                an unwavering commitment to “liberty” and the “rule of law”
                no matter what contradiction or absurdity you embrace in
                the name of that commitment as, for example, when you
                correctly condemned waterboarding as torture (contradicting
                the mojority view of your GOP cohorts on stage), but just a
                few weeks ago admitted being okay with letting a U.S.
                citizen die if that person had chosen not to purchase health
                insurance and lacked the cash to pay for life-saving care.

    Wizard:  Who else is there?  Come forward.  I thought there were only
                three of you lost souls out there.
    Herman: Can you tell me what flavor or topping of the month I should
                be?
    Wizard:  Yes, certainly.  With Thanksgiving at hand, you have
                emerged as the prize Turkey in this contest whose glory days
                on the campaign trail are waning, but can definitely be par-
                layed into a book deal, movie cameo role or gospel Christmas
                album by a husckster with your obvious talent.

    • BehindTheCurtain

      It’ 2008 all over again. 

      Except, this time we’ll probably get Romney-ed.

      Two years ago, I said ‘no way’ could BO get re-elected, because of his ‘hope and change’ fraud. 

      All the republicrats needed to do was come up with a decent candidate.

      A year ago, I said ‘no way’ BO is going to lose, ‘it’s deja vu all over again’.

      A choice isn’t being presented to us, because the Powers That Be know BO has and will do the job they want him to do.

      BO is going to win by default, because that’s what the 0.1% want.

      Just like they wanted GW for two-terms.  Their agenda is on a roll.

    • WhatToLosePeople?

      Don’t blame Paul, for listeners lack of deeper thinking or walking and chewing gum at the same time.

  • Modavations

    Let it rip during the primaries.For the presidential election,afford public financing only and make the campaign 2 months.Siimilar to English rules.While I know Dems. have lesser IQ’s,I would afford them double the funds, as the Reps.          “J”

    • Anonymous

      Being that you seem to be a republican or at least support the ideology, I would be careful on using IQ as bench mark if I was in your shoes.

      • Modavations

        My party is the Wolverine Party,we loath politicians,we vote Perot

        • Anonymous

          Oh, so you support the University of Michigan football team. 

          • ArnoldWalker

            let me guess, you’re a penn state fan

          • Modavations

            The new logo for Penn.should be a sword swallower      “J”

          • Anonymous

            I don’t like college sports. Would rather watch sheep dog trials then a college football game. By the way your attempt at insulting me is very juvenile and lame.

      • Modavations

        As I’m dealing with humorless, types I’m now inserting “J”(joke)when attempting levity.By the way,I was serious about “default swaps”being insurance policies

        • Anonymous

          I thought most unfunny jokes had an “R” after them.

          • Patrick

            Zing!

        • Anonymous

          I know about default swaps and part of them were a kind of insurance policy against losses, but they were junk so AIG almost went down because of them.

          • ArnoldWalker

            that’s cuz they wrote them numnuts, not cuz they bot them; you know nothing

          • Anonymous

            OK Arnold. What exactly are default swaps. Careful now.
            I know people who work in this field and they could not entirely understand how these things worked. AIG underwrote them, which is what insurance is. Investment banks such as Lehman and Morgan Stanly put them together and sold them. I admit to not knowing a lot about this stuff but I know enough to know you’re wrong.
            Of course you have to stoop to insults and playing the bully.
            You right wing guys are a hoot.

  • Modavations

    As for the congress, I suggest 12yrish term limits.If we get rid of the Gerrymander,term limits wouldn’t be needed(not including the Pres.)

  • Modavations

    The House is voting on a Balanced Budget ammendment today(Jefferson was the Father of the Balanced Budget). 70% of the general population agree.If we took the money,from the solons,maybe it wouldn’t be so much fun and they’d find healthier occupations.

  • Modavations

    For the lesser solons,strike the D and R from the ballots.To many peeps look for a party sign and vote accordingly.If you get rid of party designations,perhaps we’d attempt to check the canidates out.

  • Modavations

    I like Bob Oakes.Can we vote Tom A.”off the island”?We own NPR,afterall.

  • Kmaxwell219

    Mike Pesca really did his homework preparing to moderate this show.  It was very informative and entertaining.  I hope he “substitutes” again some day.  Kitty Maxwell

  • Gregg
    • Anonymous

      Everything he says is a lie.  The pipeline approval process was not managed by Congress and was stopped by state-level Republicans.   Nebraska’s Republican governor called a special session of its Republican-controlled legislature to stop the pipeline route through the Ogallala aquifer.  The oil from the tar sands is NOT dedicated to the US, but will be sold to the highest bidder on the open market.

      The fact that you unquestioningly accept such obvious lies from a clearly partisan “news” source says it all about your views.

      • Modavations

        Pres.Obama travels the country shouting “we can’t wait for new jobs”.Well there go 20,000 ,high paying,immediate, union jobs.Hillary and the State Dept.signed off on the deal.All the environmental hurdles had been passed.Sr.Trumpka says this is terrible(in my opinion he’s doesn’t care one wit for the working man.He’s an extention of the Dem.machine).I don’t care what party the obstructing solons were.Once again we are forced to war the Middle East tyrants,for supply.

        • nj

          “Solon”: Moda-troll’s tiresomely repetitive, delusively clever word of the day. 

        • Fredlinskip

          If you actually are concerned with “upward mobility” and the “working man”, Moda, do a little research. Of the two parties, one clearly represents the interests of the “working man” (or woman) than the other.
          Don’t let anyone tell you what to think (especially not Rush or Fox).

          • Modavations

            I’m not and that’s the point.I create wealth and Adam’s Smith’s invisible hand,efficiently disburses.Poor guys are lifted by that old, Rising Seas ,that Kennedy spoke so fondly of.Now get govt.off our backs,let the economy cook and everyone shares.You want to pick winners and losers and keep a “cut”.You’re welfare state has destroyed the black man

          • Anonymous

            I guess ol’ Adam figures all that cash sitting in corporate coffers is most efficiently disbursed by either doing nothing with it or giving it to a select well-connected few. 

            The truth is that he would probably try to have those who currently claim to act in his name executed.  Not uncommon punishment for such behavior back then.

    • nj

      Greggg likes the bat-sh*t craziest of the crazy Republicans.

      “I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat to the gene pool.”

      Allowing gay people to serve openly in the armed forces would “break down the military.”

      Activist women are “neutering American men.”

      “By 2035, there will not be a United States of America.”

      Comparing gay people and sexual preference to ice cream choices: “Oh, Tony, come on — no, I don’t think that. You know, I like chocolate chip ice cream, and I will continue to like chocolate chip ice cream. So there’s no worry about me changing to vanilla. I like to, you know, ride my motorcycle. What do you want me to do? You want me to change my behavior and ride a scooter? I’m not into that.”

      “I am no extremist.”
      (West campaign email, 2011.) 

      “I am a radical and I am an extremist.”[Fort Lauderdale Independence Day Tea Party, 7/3/10] 

      • Zing

        Have you talked  to your doctor about leaving the internet and becoming a person?

        • Anonymous

          Maybe you should follow your own advice.

          • Zing

            Maybe you should mind your own business, Nancy.

          • DeZing

            Oh, Edgar… there you go again with the gender baiting.

            You are just a big bully and a liar twisted up in your own self-loathing and while suppressing contempt for humanity.

            Can you say the words, ‘malignant narcissist’?

             

          • Modavations

            Get out there kid.This is the land of oppurtunity

          • YourOldThinking

            According to you, this is the ‘golden age’, too.

          • Fredlinskip

            Actually Moda, there are quite a # of countries that have recently surpassed us in the area of “upward mobility”.
            But keep thinking positive- it’s all good.

          • Modavations

            Before Obama, we always went back and forth with the Swiss.We’re now #5.By the time Obama is booted,we’ll be # 20

          • Anonymous

            Well, well. Can’t take your own medicine I see.
            You’re just a big baby who can’t take what he dishes out.

        • nj

          Zingless’ spotless record continues: no posts worth reading.

  • WhatToLosePeople?

    Talk of the Nation doing the same old Ron Paul Shuffle today. Claiming they give him fair coverage, due to an interview they gave him (don’t they offer those to all?), but never addressing the fact that EVERY time one of their analyst guest is asked to respond, they say the EXACT same thing about, “well, since most people think he doesn’t have a chance of the nomination…….”  They paint the reality every time they open their mouth, regardless of his poll numbers and showings. 

    I trust most of you know enough that his anti-war, anti Fed, anti-large, activist government views are an extreme threat to the status quo, whether it be banking, military, NPR funding, etc. All the ways the elite rig the system by cronyism and big government to big to fail-ism and too important to cut-ism are EXISTENTIALLY threatened by the liberty movement.

    The corporatists and big government status quo types, that deliver us everything from adventurous wars, to Fed-fueled speculation bubbles, are winning again.

    But keep driving those wedge issues between tea partiers and OWSers, and by all means DO NOT actually look deeper and reflect on what Ron Paul and the liberty view actually represents.

    You might actually form a coherent, actionable majority!

    • nj

      Dave has a new handle!

  • Anonymous

    The GOP is the party of Supply Side economics. It does not work, it never will. When will people wake up to this reality. They have no intention of balancing any budgets. Only using the economics of debt and deficits to cut all the social programs.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-the-rich-20111109

    • Zing

      Thanks for old thinking.  The new thinking is for Labor Supply economics.  People need to start at the bottom and work their way up.  I call it trickle up economics.  Our grandparents did it.  Now it’s our turn.

      • DeZing

        Thanks for your ‘old thinking’ yourself. 

        Our grandparents were able to double their standard of living in their lifetimes. 

        Economic circumstances and conditions for that potential will probably never happen again for any future generation.

        Call it ‘tinkle down’ your pants economics.

        • Modavations

          Stop[ wringing your hands.Look how many people came here with nothing.His grand parents made it.If you’re a pessimist you’ll get no where

          • YourOldThinking

            Pessimism has nothing to do with a country’s economic viability or economic cycles.

            Look how many die with nothing and look how many are coming out of college with house mortgage size debt and with less job opportunities.

          • Carrie

            Thank the Fed for that last fantastic “business cycle”! Washington/Wall St. crowd set up the wood, Alan dumped on the gas, WHOOOSH! Cool!

            4 more years! 8 more years! 16 more years!

            Have we ever looked more like glassy-eyed pawns?

          • Anonymous

            Why don’t you stop posting lies and misinformation.

      • Anonymous

        Oh boy. Old thinking my ass. 

        • Modavations

          A degree from Patrice Labumba School of Economics,isn’t even valid in Moscow

  • Martini-Corona

    Just wanted to say I really enjoyed Mike Pesca as guest host this evening, especially his comparison of Rick Perry to Phillip II of Spain. Mr. Pesca even used the phrase “give us a sense” enough times that those of us missing Tom A. felt right at home.

    • jason nix

      Agreed. I’ve only known him as a sports guy, but he really seems to have done his homework before taking accepting this gig.
      Nice work, Mike.

  • Modavations

    Congrats.We just reached the  15billion  debt level.Never fear though,the Ma.solons have passed Trans gender rights legislation.You could confiscate the money, from everyone making over 100,000.00 per annum and it would fund the govt.for 60 days.

    • nj

      As confused as ever, Moda-troll misses the mark by three decimal places. 

    • Anonymous

      Your command of economics is so amazing, well amazingly misguided
      and based on false ideas. Really a whole load of BS.
      Oh and your disgusting comment about people who are different then you deserves to be called out. I don’t understand the trans-gender thing, but I do understand the idea of people having rights in civil society. Something right wing thugs like yourself fail to understand.

      • Modavations

        They dropped the provision,but originally they wanted all businesses to build seperate toilets.I suppose that would be a job creator.I just have trouble equating Marrtin Luther King and RuPaul.In a free country you can be a bigot.

      • Modavations

        What do Socialists know other, then 5 yr.plans

  • Fredlinskip

    Moda- on previous thread you asked for example of some W Bush “Gaffes”.

    I’ll oblige with just a couple:
     “I don’t feel like I’ve got all that much too important to say on the kind of big national issues.” , 20/20 ABC, 9/2000″You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” –interview with Katie Couric 9/2006See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” 5/2005″Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” 8/2004″I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can’t answer your question.”-10/2000″I will never apologize for the United States of America – I don’t care what the facts are.”"Can we win? I don’t think you can win it.” –after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, “Today” show, 8/2004
    “I don’t feel like I’ve got all that much too important to say on the kind of big national issues.” , 20/20 ABC, 9/2000
    “You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” –interview with Katie Couric 9/2006
    See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” 5/2005
    “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” 8/2004
    “I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can’t answer your question.”-10/2000
    “I will never apologize for the United States of America – I don’t care what the facts are.”
    “Can we win? I don’t think you can win it.” –after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, “Today” show, 8/2004

    • Fredlinskip

      Sorry about the double post.

    • Modavations

      Don’t forget when he said I misunderstand.You got me on this one.Don’t worry I’m going to self-flagelate(?).

  • revolve

    I’m not a repugnant-thug…ooops, bit of a bush gaffe there–i meant republican.  I’m not a democrat.  I like what democrats have to say when they run elections, not when they win them.  But even in electoral races they dont go far enough.  The republican candidates are buffoons.  How can anyone seriously take them serious–seriously?  The only one I would consider is Ron Paul.  Im sure i dont like all his ideas, as he is a traditional republican of sorts, but I would respect him in office, probably more than Obama at his point.  Obama–the great disappointment.  I told you so.  Should have voted Kucinich or McKinney–the only progressive candidates.  Edwards would have been good too, better than Obama, maybe…

    Bottome line–Ron Paul can be trusted.  he would be a good president.  The others are clowns–peg boys.  And one peg-beach.  Crazy as a loon.  but the fascist media will never nominate ron paul.  The media is the establishment.  The establishment will ont voluntarily step down form totalitarian power.  Absolute power is never relinquished.  It never ever has ever–not ever!  It must be destroyed–vanquished.  Revolutions require blood.  A coup.  incarceration.  A democracy is meant to be a continuous revolution–the election of a presidential administration or congress should be a revolution.  it should always be contentious, and impassioned.  heads should roll.  Democracy is not harmonious.  THis is not Maoist china.

  • Nancy_Hodges

    I was really upset when I heard someone on the show this morning take out of context what the president said about the Justice Department and the prosecution of the Wall Street executives.  I went on-line and listened to the interview again and what he was saying was that we did not have enough regulation then and so Wall Street and the banks were able to
    take advantage of customers, “the American people.”  This happens often but never on such a big scale.  

    I would have liked someone on the show to have made a clear point of what the President actually was talking about.

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