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Week In The News: Joe Paterno, Italy On The Brink, Cain’s Sex Scandal

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Cain’s accusers. Coach Paterno sacked. Italy on the brink. Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Sharon Bialek arrives for a news conference at the Friars Club, Monday, Nov. 7, 2011. (AP)

Sharon Bialek arrives for a news conference at the Friars Club, Monday, Nov. 7, 2011. (AP)

Debating Perry. Another tough outing for the Texas Governor at the GOP debate. A Herman Cain accuser faces the cameras.

Scandal at Penn State. It’s about big-time college football and a lot more.

All eyes on Italy. The debt crisis deepens and embattled Prime Minister Berlusconi says he’ll step down.

New revelations about Iran’s nuclear program. Big votes this on unions and abortion rights. What does it tell us about 2012?

This hour On Point: our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Guests

David Ignatius is a columnist at The Washington Post. He has covered the Middle East and the CIA for more than 25 years.

Maggie Haberman, senior political writer for Politico.

Jack Beatty, On Point news analyst.

From The Reading List

Politico “In what at first seemed like light-hearted self-parody, Perry grasped desperately for agency names: “Commerce, Education and the uh…..the third agency of government I would do away with… Education, the, uh, Commerce, and…I can’t. The third one, I can’t. Sorry. Oops.”

New York Times “ROME — Italy pulled back from the brink on Thursday, as lawmakers seemed poised to usher out Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and replace his government with a cabinet of technocrats most likely led by a former European Commissioner, Mario Monti. ”

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette “UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. — In five stunning days, a child sex abuse scandal that rocked the state’s flagship public university led to the departure Wednesday of Penn State University President Graham Spanier and its legendary football coach Joe Paterno.”

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  • ulTRAX

    Week In The News: Joe Paterno, Italy On The Brink, Cain’s Sex Scandal

    Seriously… with all of the seriously IMPORTANT things going on in the world, why is OnPoint pushing Joe Paterno’s resignation as a top story of the week???? WHO CARES!!!!!!

    Common OP… let’s get some perspective!!!

    • JustSayin

      I kinda agree, but I wish OnPoint would have had a deeper and more  insightful conversation about the Paterno case. It is exemplary of a deep seated national aberration, and I’m not referring to sex perversion here. 

      It is the obsession and psychological need for untarnished “Heroes”, that are mythological.  The dependence on faith and constructed purity as articles of consumption for power and profit.

      Why this irrational faith in icons? Why unwarranted idolatry?

      History should guide people. Pick any name: Ghandi, Kennedy, MLK, Obama, Cain, Paterno, etc. Why does a society hold some people to positions of moral and social superiority…and then build a faith around them? Why the need for embodied Gods… the modern era’s golden calf’s.

      It will ALWAYS end badly. Because faith in things that are irrational are a formula for disaster. The riots over Paterno’s expultion were NOT about his being fired, but about the exposure of the failings of a mortal man…the idol shattered… not superior, not worthy of worship.  Idolatry meets reality.

      Until this nation starts basing their political and social views on rationality and not ideology, the ship of state will continue foundering on the rocks of reality. Faith would have it spoken thus: The ship is unsinkable and we are in a hurry to get through these treacherous waters… Full speed ahead.

      • Yar

        We crave idols because it relieves us of the responsibly to think.  We would rather live by the wits of others.  Then we are dumbfounded when they don’t represent our ideals.  Democracy is hard work, and can’t survive when you won’t do your part.  A marriage cannot be held together by only one partner, A union is the joining of minds to build something bigger than sum of its parts.  Happy veterans day, thanks to all of those who have served to make our union strong.

        • nj

          Sorry, but just as many who “have served to make our union strong” have served the corporate interests which benefit from our military.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            The OATH we took was NOT to corporations, but it included “obey all lawful orders from those appointed above me”
                 It is NOT easy, when orders come down from civillians (President of the United States, Congress, and the rest of the Chain of Command), to determine whether they are lawful, and whom to point that out to, rapidly enough to not have to follow them.
                President Johnson, and Congress sent my generation to Vietnam!  My Brothers and Sisters-in arms, were the ones spit on, and mis-treated for following such orders!

      • ulTRAX

        How much deeper can they go than to have an entire show on it yesterday? All I’m saying it with all the important things going on in the world the past week, Paterno hardly deserves top billing.

    • Gregg

      I agree, there is the Solyndra subpoena and the realization the bogus loan went high up the chain of command. And there’s “Fast and furious” which is tragic, political corruption designed to tarnish the 2nd amendment. Holder may well be forced to resign and even On Point realizes they can’t stay silent much longer. The video on yesterday’s thread was completely out of context yet they put it up. That’s good I guess but weird.

      • ulTRAX

        Of course Greg, our 24/7 local Orwellain Right spinster, can only think of stories that he thinks will damage the Dems.

        • Gregg

          Yea, that and the topical events of the day.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Since Fast and Furious was a continuation of a ‘W’ administration project with the same methods, and Congress has refused to confirm appointments, it’s hard to see how to blame the Obama Administration.
            If you are so worried about the half-$Billion, how do you feel about the $24 Billion or so that the ‘W’ admin. admitted was “unaccounted for”, in the hands of his cohorts?

        • William

          The Bush program kept track of the weapons, kept the Mexican government informed and did not lie to Congress.

    • Tina

      If we don’t care about our most vulnerable individuals, why discuss something as grand in concept as democracy?  Paterno violated a basic moral obligation to vulnerable individuals.  That is worthy of discussion, imo.  

      • ulTRAX

        There was an entire show on it yesterday. All I’m saying it with all the important things going on in the world the past week, Paterno hardly deserves top billing.

  • Michiganjf

    Amazing how tens of thousands of OWS protesters could gather in cities all over the country for months with only a few, rare incidents occurring involving only a very few people (abusive police over-reactions notwithstanding), yet get a bunch of fratboys and idiot jocks in the streets frenzied over their football hero not getting to coach his last game, and it’s instant mayhem (despite the legitimate accusations of negligence regarding child rape)…

    … kind of shows where much of America’s priorities lie… at least when it comes to frats, jocks, and steroid-frenzied football fans.

    • Zing

      Apples and oranges, Monica.  The only commonality is both were DOA.

    • Gregg

      “…few, rare incidents occurring involving only a very few people…”

      It’s a tad worse than that.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly. The police have committed atrocities with no consequences.

        • Gregg

          The Police did rape that young deaf man. The Police didn’t rape the numerous women either. The Police didn’t commit sexual assaults or acts of vandalism. The police aren’t smoking dope and defecating in the streets. So there’s that.

          • Gregg

            Add murder.

          • nj

            Add Greggg lying again. Post some sources for your bogus claim.

          • JP

            Lying?  I’m sure Gregg cab find links to his claims over at Rush Limbaugh’s website… if not, Glenn Beck will support his claims.

          • Gregg

            I am constantly amazed at how uninformed NPR listeners are.

          • Gregg

            Look around, one needn’t go to Beck or Rush, there’s a big world outside of the NPR dial.

          • Gregg

             http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2099297,00.html

          • nj

            Dissembling weaselness.

            Vermont incident was self-inflicted/suicide.

            In Oakland, it’s not know if the shooter had anything to do with the Occupy movement.

            But that doesn’t stop Greggg from trying to smear thousands of people with baseless innuendo.

            Better go listen to Flush to see what he tells you to think next.

          • Gregg

            Open your eyes dude, it’s bad.

          • nj

            Greggg loses, posts irrelevant blather. Same old pattern.

          • Gregg

            Suicide, murder, rape and assault are not “blather”. You should be ashamed at yourself for defending this hedonistic behavior.

          • nj

            Greggg incoherently regards suicide and possible outside agitation/crime as “hedonistic behavior.”

            Congrats, Greggg, that’s a new low for you.

          • JP

            I suppose they also forgot to roll up your windows when it rained last week, then they misplaced your keys last night and made you late this morning. Damn OWSers!

  • Anonymous

    Mitt:

    “I think people know me pretty well.
    People understand I’m a man of steadiness and constancy.  
    I don’t think you are going to find somebody who has more of those attributes than do I. I have been married to the same woman for 25 — excuse me.  I will get in trouble.  For 42 years.”

    “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e9k-c91E8

    I am a man of constant waffles                                                     But I’ve been steady in my way                                                     I bid farewell to Massachusetts                                                     Then badmouthed it most every day                                               He badmouthed it most every day

    For many years I’ve run for office
    But won just once in all that time                                                 I’m not a life-long politician                                                           Although it’s not for lack of tryin’                                                   Although it’s not his lack of tryin’

    I’ve never held just one position
    And never said just what I meant
    I have only one true mission
    To make myself the president
    He wants to be the president 

    Some people say I’m a chameleon                                                 My fickle finger’s in the wind                                                         But I’ve been wed to just one woman                                             Though I forget how long it’s been                                                 Yes he forgets how long it’s been

    I know you’ve flirted with those others                                           I know you really don’t want me                                                   I know that if you had your druthers                                             I’d never be your nominee                                                        He’d never be your nominee

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Very Good!!

  • JustSayin

    I didn’t hear Lady Gaga, but I heard something like South Park’s Kenny McCormick or maybe more like a microphone pressed against a 1950′s bomb shelter door with its nearly dead over radiated ghost gasping out its last message. It did not appear on ALL stations, and it was equally incoherent on ALL stations I clicked to.

    So what happens in a REAL emergency? First test of national alert
    system flops as many viewers don’t get the message (and some hear Lady
    Gaga instead): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059568/First-test-national-alert-flops-viewers-dont-message.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    • Brett

      It’s a new system…that’s why it was tested! You’re used to the local EBS (these are regional); in most markets, these are tested at least weekly, but the new EAS links up regions to each other all over the US, so it’s national. One would hope that the test the other day helped personnel find problems and fix them…one would hope.

      • JustSayin

        Lighten up Brett! Your pedantic explanation that it was a test was unnecessary.

        It is funny when the government makes a fool of itself and nobody gets hurt. It’s a rare opportunity to make jest over a harmless issue.

        Maybe you can purchase a sense of humor somewhere….

        • Brett

          “Pedantic”? And telling me I need to get a sense of humor? I’d say it is you who needs to step away from your self-professed appointment as town admonisher… Heh, heh! 

          • JustSayin

            That’s not funny…;)

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Good light-hearted banter, you two!  Some good shots on both sides!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      I did see some public service commercials on PBS, with some dorky looking TSA people, justifying their useless public employment.  Were these ads really necessary??   I thought  “this is only a test” served the purpose.

      • JustSayin

        I guess they were. with the distorted grainy and garbled message that was actually sent, stupid fear prone Americans might think Armageddon had actually begun.

        A shrieking bizarre looking Lady Gaga would make people think aliens had taken control.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-Giambatista/1560630046 Dylan Giambatista

    Penn State’s scandal is absolutely horrific, but I worry that it will distract the nation from the real, everyday needs that state college’s face. This is not to take away from the victims or their plight, but rather to remind folks that real draconian cuts threaten the ACADEMIC HEART of higher education.

    I await the day when academic injustice is reported with the same focus and attention that sports-born scandals attract.

  • Anonymous

    I hate to say this but the Penn State story – which needs to refocus on the victims and the predatory Sandusky by the way – is going to get much worse. The reason I say this is that the man that wrote this piece in April 3, 2011
    http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

    Was recently on an all sports radio station in Boston WEEI and made this statement
    “I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen,” Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan.
    “I hear there’s a rumor that there will be a more shocking development
    from the Second Mile Foundation — and hold on to your stomachs, boys,
    this is gross, I will use the only language I can — that Jerry Sandusky
    and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was
    being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak.”

    Listen to the interview
    http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

    This is horrible and unfortunately Paterno et al were deeply complicit in facilitating their “ugly cousin” satiating his thirst for young boys. Instead they worried more about the brand just like their brethren in The Vatican.

    • nj

      And can it be possible that this is the only college in the country where these kinds of crimes may have occurred?

      It appears we have developed a culture which encourages/allows/tolerates/fails to prevent all manner of sexual abuse and harassment.

      Almost half of all middle- and high-school students experienced some sort of harassment (from other students):

      http://www.huliq.com/10282/sexual-harassment-plagues-america-students-boys-and-girls-traumatized

      Houston, we have a problem…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    If the veneer hasn’t totally peeled off the world’s model of democracy and justice; college football and one of its top universities exposes its sordid side.

    And its not over yet,  here we have the most revered college coaches and university hiding an ongoing pedophilia ring.   Apparently Sandusky, was pimping out Jerry’s kids to wealthy donors.  Holy shyate !!!!!

    The investigating District Attorney, Ray Gricar and his laptop hard drive went missing in 2005 and never to be found.  Double holy shyate !!!

    Now we wait to name names… and boy (no pun intended) there must be some interesting names. Maybe even some Wall Street Wharton alumns. The only things stopping this eventualty will be if Israel unilaterally attacks Iran and starts WWIII or the 2012 Mayan calendar ends with apocalypse.  Hold onto your hats folks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      “Jerry’s kids”  not to be confused with Jerry Lewis’ MS charity.

    • JustSayin

      I’m waiting to hear how hush money was paid and to whom.

  • Gregg

    The House has passed 22 bi-partisan jobs bills which are all bogged down in the Senate. Obama’s lack of leadership is astonishing. At least Clinton had the sense to listen to the will of the people and climb on board. Obama, not so much.

    • Anonymous

      Did any of these bills have more than token Democratic support?  Tax cuts and ending regulation aren’t jobs bills.

      • Gregg

        They were all bipartisan unlike Obamacare. But the thing is they represent the will of the people.

        • Anonymous

          I find it so funny when a republican talks about being bipartisan as they think the word means giving in to their agenda.

          The GOP lack of jobs bill is a joke. It’s all smoke and mirrors.
          There is not one once of proof that companies are not hiring due to regulations. It’s all about demand, period.

          • Gregg

            “Cut, cap and balance” was approved 2 to 1 by adults in a CNN poll. They didn’t air the results of their own poll.

          • Gregg

             Supply comes first, period. So there.

    • ulTRAX

      And what makes them “bi-partisan”? Have vote totals for each showing the party vote?

    • Anonymous

      “the will of the people” is that taxes on the wealthiest and richest be raised significantly.  Is that what you’re referring to?

  • Anonymous

    There are three factors that show that Perry’s candidacy is over:
    1 His poor debate performance.
    2 He isn’t the only alternative to Romney as the others are still dividing the vote.
    3 I can’t remember the third one.  Oops.

    • Gregg

      That was hard to watch.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        What did you expect from a Texas Governor, where they are altering the text-books so much that Texas students will be laughed out of ANY reputable school?

    • JustSayin

      I don’t like the guy, but we have all had moments like that. But I also think if the eliminations were actually a part of his beliefs he would have remembered them. Actors are always forgetting their lines.

      • Anonymous

        I’d agree that anyone can have a moment like that but considering his poor debate performances, he really needed not to screw up again at one.  And they were his own simplistic initiatives not a response to a gotcha question like who is the president of Ubeki beki beki beki stan stan? 

  • Anonymous

    If Mitt had forgotten his third point, he would have claimed that he only had two as his position has evolved.

  • Anonymous

    Did Ed sleep late?  No update on how Mississippi has earned the wrath of god by not passing the fertilized egg personhood question?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Maybe he’s out pimping boys to his beloved pervert priests?

  • Anonymous

    The delay of the decision on the pipeline is a typical Obama try to please everyone that will please no one and he will get nothing for it. He should either decide that this source of oil is bad for the environment and not build it or build it now and get the oil and jobs. Delaying keeps the issue alive and the environmentalists will just assume that he will betray them after the election. Changing the route doesn’t address the larger environmental question. 

    • JustSayin

      He should tell Canada to build their own refineries. But that would require an actual spine.

    • Anonymous

      The reason this has come to a head now is that our (Republican) Nebraska officials sat on the sidelines, which in truth indicated their support for the pipeline running through the Ogallala aquifer, UNTIL it finally and justifiably became a populist issue in Nebraska and nationally.  Then they came out for a re-evaluation of the route, figuring they could then blame Obama/Hillary if it was approved, killing the two birds of pretending they really care about their constituents and the environment while blaming the opposition for something they should have been involved with from the beginning.  I sincerely doubt anyone with authority has any real concerns at this point that aren’t purely political.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    During the time of this Sandusky coverup,  the escort pausing as a journalist, Jeff Gannon, was doing sleepovers at the Bush White House, whose good pals included man/boy fans such as Victor Ashe.There was a book written about such things: “The Franklin Cover-Up”,
    by John DeCamp, a Nebraska State Senator, who was a close associate of the Director of Central Intelligence
    William Colby (found floating in the river).    America is a scary place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    And why is there not a topic on Veterans today ??  That would be very engaging to be sure.

  • nj

    This week’s installment of Stories That Should At Least Get a Mention on On Point, but Probably Won’t…

    Mississippi “personhood” amendment fails (Actually, they probably will get to this one.):

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/mississippi-personhood-amendment_n_1082546.html

    Frack chemicals found in Wyoming aquifer:

    http://www.propublica.org/article/epa-finds-fracking-compound-in-wyoming-aquifer

    Michigan Rethuglicons want to jail teachers for sending “political” e-mails:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/09/29/331816/in-stealth-assault-on-unions-michigan-gop-bill-would-jail-teachers-who-send-political-emails/

    Black Rhinoceros extinct:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/11/africa-western-black-rhino-extinct-conservation.html

    Echos of Smedley Butler; (“I served the 1%”:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29663.htm

    Berkeley cops beat demonstrators for no apparent reason:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=buovLQ9qyWQ

  • GretchenMo

    Keystone XL delay kills American jobs and increases our dependence on foreign oil.  Thank you Obama for kicking us when we’re down. 

    • Anonymous

      Rubbish. The pipeline is controversial in that it could pollute the the Ogallala Aquifer and it might not even be cost effective.

      • GretchenMo

        Let TransCanada decide if it’s cost effective.
        Obama punted because he’s focused on next election.
        American workers languish in the interim.

        • Anonymous

          You have not been following this story very well. Even the Republican governor of Nebraska is against the pipeline. If there was spill into the Ogallala Aquifer that would be a huge environmental disaster.
          If I’m correct I think the Ogallala Aquifer supplies about 30% of the water in that part of the US.

        • BHA in Vermont

          Let TransCanada build a refinery, next to the oil sands wells.

          • Anonymous

            Or even in our northern states.  Now THAT would provide long-term jobs, as opposed to the short-term temporary ones from building a pipeline.  But it would make it much more difficult to sell the finished product to foreign customers, which is the ultimate business model of the oil companies involved.  

      • Anonymous

        It isn’t Obama’s job to determine cost effectiveness of private enterprise.  

        Should I remind you of the Solyndra scandal.  The worst part of it is the business model the company had was to build a product for more money then they planned to sell the product for with no attempt to make a profit.  I know profits are bad these days but businesses without them always end in bankruptcy!

        • Drew You Too

          Solyndra, Solyndra, Solyndra…

          BOO!

        • Terry Tree Tree

          That’s why so many corporations, GREEDY rich, BANKSTERS, and others that COULD create jobs, are sitting on mountains of cash and profits!!

    • nj

      Pretending he knows anything about oil markets, GMo spews, “Keystone delay…increases our dependence on foreign oil” apparently unaware that oil is a global commodity, and most of the oil the pipeline would deliver to the Gulf would be shipped to foreign markets.

      The jobs would be another unsustainable bubble. A few jobs for a few years. Then the oil is gone, the money spent on pipeline infrastructure will have represented an opportunity cost in failing to invest in sustainable sources, and we’ll likely have environmental damage from the spills and water depletion, not to mention the increased global warming.

      • GretchenMo

        Well, you’ve proven you know nothing.  Cite one reference from any of the refiners saying the bulk of the refined product would be exported. 

        • Anonymous

          All oil is sold on the open market. If you support a free market you should know that.

          • GretchenMo

            Wrong. WTI and Brent are used as benchmarks for private transactions and do not take into account refining and transportation costs for refined product.  Quit while you’re well behind.

          • Anonymous

            You’re a real piece of work. Another right wing troll on this Friday morning troll fest. You people are really pathetic.

          • Gregg

            Gas is 12 cents a gallon in Venezuela, $.40 in Iraq, $.90 in Saudi Arabia.

        • nj

          No problem, there Sparky.

          http://priceofoil.org/2011/08/31/report-exporting-energy-security-keystone-xl-exposed/

          Keystone XL is an export pipeline. The Port Arthur, Texas, refiners at the end of its route are focused on expanding exports to Europe, and Latin America. Much of the fuel refined from the pipeline’s heavy crude oil will never reach U.S. drivers’ tanks.

          Valero, the key customer for crude oil from Keystone XL, has explicitly detailed an export strategy to its investors. Because Valero’s Port Arthur refinery is in a Foreign Trade Zone, the company can carry out its strategy tax-free.

          • GretchenMo

            priceofoil.org  pathetic
            http://www.transcanada.com says none of the oil will be exported outside the US.  American Petroleum Institute agrees. http://www.api.org
            I didn’t see your Valero link, plus it’s only one of 6 refiners identified as destinations for the oil.  Try again.

          • nj

            Of course, there’s no reason to doubt claims from the industry that would profit most from the pipeline.

          • GretchenMo

            Yeah, but we’re supposed to believe priceofoil.org.  Not bloody likely.

          • nj

            They document industry sources that indicated their plans for export. 

            But you can just keep on with your manufactured denial and obfuscation strategy.

          • GretchenMo

            And I documented industry sources that indicated no plans for export…

          • nj

            See previous post: “Of course, there’s no reason to doubt claims from the industry that would profit most from the pipeline.”

        • Anonymous

          Cite one reference stating the product would be reserved for US needs.  And we all thought you believed in capitalism, which of course would call for its sale to the highest bier, right?

  • MomofFOUR

    Please discuss the way the press is avoiding the word RAPE in relation to the Penn State story. I want to yell at my radio every time someone says Sandusky was “engaged in a sexual act” with or “performing a sexual act” on a 10-year-old boy. That sort of euphemism is only assisting the cover-up that went on; a child cannot consent to sex, therefore Sandusky’s sexual contact was a rape, nothing else.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      A grandfather of four, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!  IT’S RAPE!!

  • Long Time On Point Listener

    The ‘Fast and Furious’ gun-running scandal has the real potential to take down the Obama administration before the 2012 Presidential election.

    President Obama must be made to answer for his own role in operation ‘Fast and Furious’ which resulted in three U.S. Border Patrol agents being murdered by weapons that the ATF sold to Mexican drug cartels.

    Are President Obama, Atty. General Eric Holder and D.H.S. Secretary Janet Napolitano guilty of criminal manslaughter?

    They need to be investigated to find out.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Carried over from the same program of the ‘W’ admin.!!

  • Anonymous

    By AlfonZo Rachel
    So Herman Cain has allegedly come on to at least four different women, and didn’t score with any of ‘em.Looks to me like the main thing Herman Cain is guilty of is havin’ no game.
    Herman! Dang man! With all the money and power you’ve had you couldn’t get any of these women in the sack?
    You suck dude!
    There’s dudes out there who are about as smooth as oatmeal who are able to get some action. Why? Because they got some money.
    I mean, I’m no mathmetician like you, but I reckon after so many attempts, odds are you should have had sex with one of these women, but maybe at some point one will come out of the woodwork.
    For all the women that you’ve come on to, someone’s gotta pop up and say, “Hello, it’s me! I’m the one who finally said yes.
    But no. It seems that all these women can offer up are allegations.
    Why? because you’re a dork.

    • Anonymous

      What is the point of this.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        He’s being offensive.  Surprise.

      • Anonymous

        The women’s acusations are pretty ridiculous and haven’t had any facts to back them up so far.  

        Either the women are lying opportunists or Cain is the worst pick up artist in history of man.  One of the accusations reports that Cain compared the height of the accusing women to his wife.  What kind of idiot would internally hit on a girl by saying you look a lot like my wife?  I am pretty sure he wasn’t hitting on that girl!

        • Terry Tree Tree

          I’m agreeing with Brandstad??  On this issue, yes.
              Since the spouse is the last to know, is his wife any judge of whether he tried?   Most men try to do more with someone not their wife.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      If the accusations are true, surely you’d admit that Cain did more than just ask for something.

  • BHA in Vermont

    When a presidential candidate can only remember 2 of the 3 agencies he will eliminate if elected, it is time to fold the tent.

    • Anonymous

      At least he didn’t claim to have gone to all 57 states like Obama did.

  • Drew You Too

    I hope Mr. Ashbrook is okay. Maybe he was so disgusted with the coverage he would have had to present that he decided to take the rest of the week off.

  • AC

    that was embarassing!! Does he really believe in doing that or was it memorized?

  • AC

    i’m sorry, did the host just ask if there was enough ‘lipstick’ to fix this??

  • JP

    Gubernatorial.

      That word has a different ring to it after witnessing Perry in all the debates, though perhaps I’d spell it “GOOBERNATORIAL” in this case.

    • Long Time On Point Listener

      At least Perry never said that there were “57 states”, like Barry Soetoro did.

  • w cubed

    It’s the economy, stupid. NOT POLITICS.
    Greece and Italy finally understand that the MUST reorganize. They will continue to try to “tighten the belt” (as Italy) but realize that “getting out of the ditch” requires much more. First and foremost is CONFIDENCE and an ability to rally the country (at least the politicians) to a defined path. 

    I eagerly await the Republicans realization of this same thing. 

  • Long Time On Point Listener

    U.S. drone attack kills 78 Somalis.
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/204501.html

    Is there any doubt that we have a real war-criminal squatting in the White House?

    • GretchenMo

      It takes a lot of spilt blood to get a Peace Prize.

      • Long Time On Point Listener

        And the current squatter ‘occupying’ the White House, knows a lot about spilling blood.

        • Anonymous

          Unlike Bush, Obama was elected.

          • Long Time On Point Listener

            Unlike Obama, Bush doesn’t have a forged birth certificate.

          • Long Time On Point Listener

            My mistake, I meant to type Barry Soetoro.

          • nj

            Your mistakes go far beyond that.

          • Anonymous

            Pathetic.

          • Anonymous

            Prove it.  I’ve never seen it.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Unlike Obama, corporations don’t HAVE Birth Certificates!   Any U.S. citizens working for a corporation have a vote, so the ‘Citizens United’  decision, by black-robed-seniles or crooks, gives extra votes to those already having votes, or foreign corporations that should NOT have votes!!

      • Anonymous

        I thought he got it prematurely before he had spilled any blood.  Which talking point is it?

        • Long Time On Point Listener

          Looks like Barry Soetoro is making up for lost time.

          • GretchenMo

            I knew that guy was all BS.

          • Long Time On Point Listener

            Barry Soetoro

            who has sealed all his school, passport and medical records.

            At least he gave us a forged birth certificate.

          • GretchenMo

            He’s working on the other forged docs right now, they’re in the aging chambers.  Should be available by next November.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      How long are you going to go on about this?  Do you believe that the president must refuse to engage in military action?

      • Long Time On Point Listener

        Are you applying to work for the Soetoro administration?

        • Anonymous

          Is “Soetoro” the Republican new term for him?  I hadn’t heard it before.  Did Rush start saying it?

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          That question has been answered a while ago, and you conspiracy theory wackos just won’t let it go.

  • w cubed

    Ah, yes.  The Occupy movement at the ballot box!!!!

    Stop glorifying the tenets of the Tea Party and Libertarians as THE will of the US people.  We are not as gullible as the various broadcast media would like to make out. 

    Reason will win out. (hopefully).

    • Drew You Too

      Reason? ROTFL

      We’re not as gullible as the various broadcast media would like to make out. We’re gullible Cubed.

  • w cubed

    The Penn story is only important as indicative of how shallow the US has fallen.  The students riot over loss of a coach, not for the alleged crime – coverup.  Clearly the “semi-pro” nature of college sports and the money it brings in ALMOST trumps all. 

    Reminds me of a comment in a John Christopher novel ?”the guardians”: the “powers that me” arranged for the urban areas to be rabid about their “city-urbs” “team” to the point of riots. This kept the masses/mobs engrossed in this rather than the interminable war to which they shipped all trouble-makers who questioned “the powers that be.”  Sports, not religion, are the “opiate of the masses.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Paterno never cover up anything. You probably meant the School Board and the person who was responsible for investigating the crime but didn’t do anything. Don’t blame a “coach” for not doing enough because all of us could have been on the same boat like Paterno. We cannot be a judge because you think we are better than Paterno. We all make mistakes and i bet Paterno did more good than harm. He influenced a lot young football players to be their best in their field. That’s why the Penn State students were outraged because of the Penn State board member had a scape goat instead of blaming themselves for no action taken.

      Paterno did acted 2 or more according to the report. What else do you want him to do, use his own money sue to the rapist?

      • Anonymous

        He could have told the police, held a press conference telling the public and or fired the rapist!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          he was not there and it easy for you to say. accusing someone of child rape and didn’t actually see the crime will lose in the court of law for being a witness. He reported to the campus head police and called 2 meeting about the incident but the higher ups did not do anything like the board member. remember.

          The problem is a child molester cannot be stop even they are in Jail remember that?

  • Ed

    Actually it’s a good thing that the pro-life law was defeated in Mississippi – until Roe v. Wade is overturned, any such law would cost lots of money and have to be declared unconstitutional. But, on the other hand, it was defeated because the pro-choice people (pro-abortion people) confused the issue and confused many voters with lots of side issues. It’s not about the wrath of God, but about science and when human life begins according to science.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Why are the ‘pro-life’ people so OBSESSED with life BEFORE birth, and so uncaring about life AFTER birth?   Another way to supply pervert priests with VICTIMS?

  • JP

    If Perry’s spiel about disposing of 3 Federal Agencies had been a carefully considered position held with conviction, Perry would have been able to argue the point forward and backward… instead, Perry had just memmorized talking points which got lost amid the hundreds of other talking points he memorized.

    These aren’t well-thought-out positions for Perry… they’re rote memorization handed to him by “handlers” and nothing more.

    That’s why President Obama can talk at length about most ANY subject… he’s actually THOUGHT ABOUT his positions on different topics and carefully considered the consequences.

    This is why all one ever hears from Republicans is 3-30 second sound-bytes, bereft of intellectual heft or even common sense.

    • GretchenMo

      Like Barry’s 57 state position, very well thought out indeed!

      • JP

        Do your homework!

         President Obama claimed 58 states, not 57!

        “57 states… that leaves us one to go.”

        • Long Time On Point Listener

          Maybe he can annex Kenya, this way he’ll be a real U.S. citizen.

          • GretchenMo

            Send in the drones!

          • nj

            ^ BDS* sufferer. Please seek treatment.

            * Birther Derangement Syndrome

        • GretchenMo

          Barry was always better at math than me.

    • Long Time On Point Listener

      How much money did Obama earn for the Treasury when he ordered Atty. General Holder and the the ATF to sell all those guns to Mexican drug cartels?

      • JP

        Oh, because President Obama personally handles the details of every law enforcement sting, right?

        GET A CLUE REPUGNICAN LACKEYS!!!

        • Long Time On Point Listener

          You definitely love B.S.

          Barry Soetoro

      • GretchenMo

        I believe this is a central provision of his deficit reduction and American jobs plans! 

  • Tina

    Very BEST WISHES to Tom Ashbrook!  I’ll be routing for an excellent resolution for you! 

    • Anonymous

      Now I’m worried. Is Tom not well?

      • Drew You Too

        I’m wondering the same thing. I haven’t read or heard anything but Tina’s comment makes me concerned.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        He said that he was having reconstructive surgery on a joint or something like that.  He wasn’t specific, but it sounded routine.

        • Drew You Too

          Thanks Greg, missed that. Hope it goes well and he’s back to work soon.

        • nj

          I missed that, too. Best wishes to Tom!

  • Drew You Too

    You know, at first it completely baffled me as to why people would continue to provide Cain with financial support. I mean, the things he has proposed thus far would only benefit the wealthiest among us…then it hit me. Those who are still financially supporting him ARE the wealthiest among us. I guarantee you it’s not some struggling citizen that is forking over $1,000 here, $1500 there. They simply don’t have it.

    As to why the Bible Thumpers would continue to support him, that is pretty obvious. He’s a preacher, Romney and Huntsman are MORMONS “for goodness sake!” Deny it all you want hardliners, it doesn’t change the truth. Me thinkst thou doth protest too much.

    And the sexual harassment allegations? Well I’m beginning to wonder if perhaps the Cain campaign itself isn’t behind the whole fiasco. I know that sounds crazy but give me a moment to explain myself. First, the allegations began at almost the exact same time that it was discovered that it is likely the Cain campaign benefited from illegal campaign contributions. What happened to the illegal contribution coverage and investigation once the harassment allegations began? Second, the scandal has kept him front and center in the media. Third, it has caused financial support which was waning to actually increase. I’m not saying that the Cain campaign originated the scandals but it does seem less preposterous to me as each day passes.

    And the Race card? Well obviously that’s not an issue because he’s a Pastor “for goodness sake”

  • Fletcher Harrington

    Regardless of his electability or the hosts disagreement with some of his more extreme positions (cuts) WHY IS RON PAUL NOT MENTIONED when talking about strength in these debates?  Look at the other candidates when he speaks it’s like their studious little tikes getting a history and economics lesson.  At least give the man his due for being the most educated one about the country, it’s policies and it’s history.  This comment IS PRIMARILY DIRECTED AT YOU JACK BEATTY.  Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    David Ignatius, like all the beltway pundits, is fluffing Mitt Romney. He wasn’t even the most impressive Mormon in that debate. 

    Romney is being graded on a curve because the Republican field resembles an Insane Clown Posse.

    If you want to see how Romney would fare against Obama, look at how incoherent he was on his signature issue as Governor:

    ROMNEY: And what’s wrong with our health care system in America is that government is playing too heavy a role…

    HARWOOD: But, Governor, let me ask you about health care, because Congressman Paul said, put it back to the doctor and the patient. You said a few moments ago that you thought states should have the responsibility for insuring the uninsured. And, of course, in Massachusetts, you enacted an individual mandate and subsidies to have people who didn’t have insurance get it. So you think there’s a pretty large role for government in this area.

    ROMNEY: Well, I think that people — that people have a responsibility to receive their own care, and the doctor-patient relationship is, of course, where that — where that exists — where that exists.

    http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/mitt-romneys-gaffe-his-own-mandates-mak

    • Drew You Too

      “Romney is being graded on a curve because the Republican field resembles an Insane Clown Posse.”

      Awesome comment. Unfortunately instead of a Grade Curve it will likely turn out to be a Grave Curve,

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    World Makes No Sense -  Presidential candidate Cain is still at the top of the polls and lots of election money donations but sexually assaulted women or probably almost rape them. Penn State coach who is innocent is being bad mouth left and right by the American people. 2 different people one is evil and one is innocent but the innocent is suffering. do you think it makes sense?

    We glorify evil and spit on good.

    • Long Time On Point Listener

      Is that why the President got the Nobel Peace Prize?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        Why are you jealous a Black man got an award? Why don’t you call the Nobel Prize committee instead and complain about the price given to Obama. making Obama an excuse of your narrow minded mind reflects how you treat people in real life.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          I just have to wonder why making a speech qualifies someone for a Nobel Prize.  I talk about literature and physics and world politics all the time.  Perhaps I ought to get three prizes?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Call the Nobel committee why tell me? Call them 1-900-GIVEME3NOBEL.

          • Hidan

            Than the Noble Prize would indeed become worthless.

            I nominate Greg for the Golden Turkey Award.

            http://www.funawards.com/trophies/turkey-trophy.asp

        • Long Time On Point Listener

          You’re right FAX68,

          Those 78 Somalis that got killed in a drone strike that Obama ordered, deserved to die, right?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            oh yes Obama knows every military operations in Iraq,Columbia,Afghanistan or Pakistan or Somalis. there are probably 20 to 50 operations each day? yep he knew about that. don’t tell me you also accused Paterno for child molestation.

            hey next time you throw a piece of paper on the ground I will blame you for polluting the entire world?

      • GretchenMo

        Hopefully Barry doesn’t send a drone to your house!

        • Long Time On Point Listener

          Nah.
          Barry will probably just order his goons to have me thrown into a large body of water, that’s the ‘Chicago way’.

    • GretchenMo

      Worked for Clinton.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        Clinton had extra-marital affair he did not sexually harrassed Lewinsky or tried to rape them. see what i mean about the world got no sense.

        • GretchenMo

          Well you’ve left out allegations by about 10 other women and you don’t seem to be well acquainted with sexual harrassment issues involving office power structures. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            who cares about Clinton. He is no longer THE PRESIDENT at least WE HAD BUDGET SURPLUS. Why do you always see the Bad side of a person not the good side? Clinton sex affair is non of our business just like the Kennedy brother did with Marilyn Manroe.

    • Anonymous

      Not to mention the fact that presumably, G’mo and LTOPL get to vote in our elections.  You expect idiots like this to make sound choices?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    If you havent figured this out by now,  American elections are choreographed drama and scandal from start to finish.

    As if Herman did not know he had these sex harrassment scandals.  Of course he did.  But he played he’s part as a candidate.

    Look at John Edwards !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What guy in his right mind,   would accept campaign contributions and run a full blown presidential campaign, knowing he has a “love child” ???

    US elections are all scripted telenovelas.  Meant to entertain and confuse.   Obama clearly served their purposes,  expanded the wars,  bailout the banks, kept his mouth shut, so now its time for a billionaire with good hair, with that traditional presidential look to head the democracy charade.

    • Anonymous

      Edwards and Cain weren’t scripted.  Politicians have huge egos and are never told no for years before they get to the national level. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

         The only one that isn’t reading the prescribed script is RON PAUL, and the MEDIA is ignoring him.

    • Drew You Too

      We get what we ask for…and then later wonder why we can’t trade it in.

    • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

      What evidence do you have that elections are predetermined?  Who is pulling the strings?

      I agree that obviously Cain is lying, and he has broken the NDA that the women have abided by — so they should sue him.  Whether or not he sexually assaulted them — he broke the NDA contract.

      Neil

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        The CORPORATE MEDIA is pulling the strings.  They can make or break a scandal.  They give these creeps campaign funds, and then they hold the reigns. 

        Even better when someone like Clinton gets in, when he doesn’t obey,  the media leaks a little sample of whitewater, or Jennifer Flowers.   Then they ratchet up with a some major Lewinsky, while Clinton is waffling over a few percentages of Palestine.  Bibi hits the TV waves the very next huge grin and smoking a cigar.

        • Plushkin

          Pedrollo‘s  night dreams listing:
          11/10/11  – “Easy Zionist” cult, classics, drama. 
          11/11/11  – “Who’s afraid of Virginia Wolf or What’s in the [Sur]name” – know thy Zionists: how to spot them everywhere
          11/12/11  – “Protocols, part 23.5″ our longest running drama series; recommended
          11/13/11  – “Jewish cookbook, oldies but goldies:  selected blood-based recipies” self-explanatory
          ….
          (surely to be continued)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            11/13/11  – “Jewish cookbook, oldies but goldies:  selected blood-based recipies” self-explanatory

            who is the author an SS officer?

          • Plushkin

            this should have been a reply to Paolo, who would know the scripts better?

          • Long Time On Point Listener

            “Who is the author an SS officer?”  (FAX68)

            Put FAX68 down as an anti-Semite!

        • http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/ Neil Blanchard

          I agree that many media entities are irresponsible and manipulative, and profit driven.  But to say they control the situation gives them way too much credit.

          I think that monied interests are pushing hard to make things go where they want them to.  But the actual big money is banking and oil and drug and companies who are exploiting cheap labor overseas and the cheap oil to allow this to be profitable.  Most of the commercial media is dealing in bread and circus; or sex and violence and fear might be more accurate for today.

          Neil

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      oh Pablo the Liberal.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Tell me,  don’t Mitt and Perry look like the main characters in a soap opera?     I can barely tell them apart.  

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          Cain is more into soap opera because women are soaping him. I like Mitt, a cool Mormon. Mitt never gets mad he gets even.

        • FrickandFrack

          As two-dimensioanal as soap folks as well.  Only their hairdressers know for sure.

    • TruthSquad

      cain was hoping to hide behind the nondisclosure agreements.

      of course, he may not be running. he could just be marketing himself to sell books and increase speaking fees, like palin does. 

  • Anonymous

    The Euro will never last unless they either integrate further, enough to loose all national identities and national independence.  We are witnessing the slow end of the Euro.

  • Modavations

    David Ignatius(famous Dem. Rump Swab),when reading Perry’s epitaph,long ago dicounted Newt.Newt and Romney are now tied.I think Cain is still on top.

  • Modavations

    Homosexuality is chic to the “left”.Ever since the advent of “Tommy’s got two daddies”,liberals turn a blind eye.We reap what we sow.Penn.State will probably be bankrupted

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      who is Homo? Did you know that a lot of gay people were born gay? I bet you rather see 2 lesbian kissing than 2 men kissing?

      that’s how this sick world thinks.

    • nj

      Winner of this week’s Sad-Excuse-for-a-Human-Being Award, Moda-troll vileness plunges to new depths; conflating sexual preference with sexual abuse.

      • Anonymous

        Closeted gay with massive self-loathing.  Has my sympathy.

    • Michael Sacco

      And you know that Paterno and Mc Queery are Dems? You’ve got some pretty sick gay pastors out there. Should I paint you with the gay brush too?.

    • IfTheNameFits

      Edgar, you talk with so much authority on this topic.

      What about all of those closeted-religious-right-wing-republican individuals? 

      I bet it would be hard to bankrupt your research methods.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Romney is the candidate no one else. if religion is an issue. that BS.

    I rather be with a mormon with faith than to be with a man who no faith.

  • Dab200

    Have anyone noticed that the GOP debates are not real debates. They use them as a forum to propagate their talking points and Republican slogans that is why they agreed to so many. They all repeat the GOP mantra: lower taxes, get rid of government, all regulations, and so on. And of course constantly they propagate lies i.e. Gingrich: overturn Dodd-Frank regulation because it kills small banks and businesses – not true, doesn’t apply to those only to big banks and Wall Street; Romney: GM given to Unions and Chev. to Italy – also lie – I wish the moderators would debunk their lies immediately.  By the way George Bush lowered taxes – how many jobs were created during his time in office?

  • Modavations

    Pres.Obama has sidelined the Keystone Pipeline.There go 12,000, high paying,union jumps.Mr Trumpka said “i VOTE PRESENT.tHE PIPELINE HAD THe govts. approval and all “environmental permissions”, had been granted

    • Wes, Cambridge, MA

      Why support the dirty fuels of the past that are destroying the environment in which we live, like our precious water supply, when we can create even more jobs with the new clean energy technologies, like solar, wind, geothermal, and biofuels?

    • IfTheNameFits

      Oh Edgar, being off topic about a pipeline is so transparent, as is your fetish for Mr. Trumpka

  • wauch

    That was disappointing. My favorite contributor to this show Jack Beatty basically dismissed the Penn State story. I wonder if it was the Catholic Church how much time you all would have given to it. Countless young boys were violated and because the administration at Penn State and Paterno so flippantly dismissed what Sandusky was doing your guests are allowed to do the same? RIDICULOUS!! You spent 15-20 minutes talking about those goofball Republican candidates including 5mins on Perry’s inability to take this whole thing seriously, but yet a true tragedy had swept over a college campus and a state and you prefer the continuing comedy that is our politics. No wonder we care so little about Penn State when we are more concerned with joker politicians! I have never been more disappointed in OnPoint but this was an all-time low for your show. Tom come back and bring priorities back to your show!

    • Anonymous

      They devoted an hour to it yesterday.  How much more needed to be said today? 

      • wauch

        Look you belittle because it is a sports story but it is way more than that and going to get worse. Also all we have been discussing so far is the trial of Paterno and Sandusky but nothing about the victims and the growing list therein.

  • Modavations

    The Harvard 99er”s(the kids of the 1%),decided it was beneath them to camp with the Proleteriate.They are, afterall,the the future Politboro”s.They have now been alloted a gated space, in Harvard Yard.No” Hoi Polloi”allowed without THEIR PAPERS.This site,will be the first. to afford “room service”.

    • IfTheNameFits

      Edgar, are you implying you’re ready to go down to Harvard Yard and give them your famous ‘room service’ delivery?

  • Bruce

    What was that on CNBC the other night?  I thought I had tuned in the Republican Candidates Debate, but what appeared on my screen seemed to resemble a rerun of the Wizard of Oz more than a serious exchange of ideas.  The contenders looked issue fatigued and debate weary as if stumbling down the Yellow Brick Road until they finally reach the Emerald City where they have the following encounter with the Wizard:
     
    Newt:     Can you help me find a heart?
    Wizard:  Sure, but first you must find some humility and apologize to the millions                  who suffered  needlessly after you and your inflated ego shut down the     
                    federal government in the mid-nineties.
     
    Mitt:       Can you help me find the courage of my convictions?
    Wizard:  Of course I can, but first you must find some convictions.  Come back here                 only after you’ve examined every opinion poll and focus group in the                 Kingdom, and remember as you’ve done in the past, never allow your                 conscience to get in the way of the expedient.
     
    Rick:      Can you help me find a brain?
    Wizard: Yes, certainly, but first you must get your synapses working, and you know               what I mean—stay on your meds!  Only then will your neurons begin                    firing again.
     
    Wizard:   Who else is there?  Come forward.  I thought there were only three of you lost                souls.  Speak up man, what can I help you find?
    Herman:  I don’t need you to find anything for me, but can you PLEASE help make all                 these sexual accusations disappear?
    Wizard:   Sorry, not even my magic is that powerful, but I have the phone number of an
                     excellent therapist who can help you deal with your obvious boundary issues.
     

    • Long Time On Point Listener

      That’s an interesting little diidy that you composed.

      Do you think that the Wizard in your story could help us locate Barry Soetoro’s original birth certificate, and not the forged one he tried to pass off on us?

      • Michael Sacco

        pathetic

        • Long Time On Point Listener

          That’s a good way of describing the Soetoro Presidency.

      • GretchenMo

        He’s only a wizard, not a miracle-worker.

      • Bruce

        Glad you found the ditty interesting…I don’t indulge conspiracy theory, so the answer is “no comment” except that I apologize for the lousy formatting of the dialogue.  Tried a short-cut that didn’t work well. :)

  • Modavations

    One of Cain’s accusers,Ms.Bialek,lives in the same building as Mr.Axelrod.The very same Mr.Axelrod,who serves a Pres.Obama’s “right hand man”.There are 300 million people in the U.S.A..I ran down to MIT and ran the numbers.We figured you had a better chance to be hit by lightning,a tornado,a meteorite and run over by Amtrack,all at the same time.

    • Anonymous

      So.

    • ulTRAX

      Not that I believe you since you’re a proven liar, but I’m sure your alleged MIT contacts would have advised you on the danger of misusing such statistics. For example, more relevant is what are the odds of a professional person working in or near Washington living in or near Washington? Suddenly we’re down from 300 million to perhaps 500,000.  
       

    • IfTheNameFits

      Edgar, there you go again bringing up Mr. Axelrod.
       
      Or, as you called him the other day, Alex-rod.
       
      I think your jealous and you wish you had your own ‘right hand man’.

      None of those cute and quiet engineers down at MIT couldn’t help you out?

    • Fredlinskip

      Let’s all give Cain a big ol’ bear hug. Poor guy! Gosh dang liberal media! Why can’t they just cover up and fail to report stuff like they did for W??!

  • Anonymous

    Yesterday At Occupy: A Suicide, A Murder, And Reports Of Tuberculosis

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/#ixzz1dPj04PXz
    If these people really represented 99% of the People of the US, we would be doomed!

    • Long Time On Point Listener

      Just a few less Obama supporters.

      • Long Time On Point Listener

        Soetoro supporters, my apologies.

      • Michael Sacco

        yeah screw em   you’re probably the same person who cheered when Ron Paul said the remarks about letting the critically ill person with no insurance die.The right wing has turned anyone with an opposing point of view into worthless garbage.Shame on you!

    • Brandstanding

      Please stop misinforming everyone and sensationalizing everything.

      Quotes from your own source (btw-your link was not accurate):

      Occupy Atlanta:… but the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports tests showed “No trace of any TB at all.”Occupy Oakland:By all reports this is an incident of Oakland street violence brought to Occupy Oakland.http://www.businessinsider.com/yesterday-at-occupy-a-suicide-a-murder-and-reports-of-tuberculosis-2011-11Occupy Burlington:Burlington, Vt., police said preliminary investigations show the 35-year-old military veteran fatally shot himself in the head Thursday at an Occupy Wall Street encampment. Emily Reynolds, a University of Vermont student and a leader in the local Occupy movement, said: “This person has clearly needed more help than we were capable of giving him here at this park.”If the U.S. government provided better mental health services, she said, “this probably wouldn’t have happened.”http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/209545.html

  • Modavations

    Mayor Bloomberg said, don’t blame the banks for the economic collapse.He said look at govt. and Fannie Mae.Fannie asked for another $6bill.,yesterday

    • nj

      Moda-troll Disinformation Alert!

      Bloomberg was wrong.

      http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201111010006

      F.M.’s request was Tuesday and it was for $7.8b.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/11/us-usa-housing-fanniemae-f-idUSTRE7AA44J20111111

    • IfTheNameFits

      Oh Edgar, you’re as off topic as usual.

      Maybe the lying, nasty little billionaire troll turns you on. 

      I can see why you’re so attracted, he’s everything you are except for the billionaire part.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Fannie Mae helped POOR PEOPLE. Wall Street banks don’t.

      • Long Time On Point Listener

        Exactly,

        the same Wall Street banks that funded Barry Soetoro’s 2008 Presidential election

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          They didn’t lean Democratic by much… I believe in 2008 Wall Street money went $150 million for the GOP and $160 million for the Dems. It was against their usual pattern, and Wall Street is again giving more money to the GOP. I posted the source in the Super Committee forum.

    • Anonymous

      Just another ignorant rich guy making self-serving comments.

  • Mamie

    I am  responding to many superficial treatments of this topic, including the interviewee on today’s show. I am a retired therapist.  I worked 5 years in family crisis intervention, then exclusively with victims of rape and sexual abuse for 11 years.  It is only within the past 15 years or so that champions of women’s and children’s rights have taught us to address this type of victimization, and what steps to take.  There are many victims in their twenties and older who disclosed abuse and met a stony wall, and are dealing with the effects today.On the one hand you have people of good will who just didn’t know the steps that should have been taken.  On the other hand, you have a culture that accords Less importance to the well-being of women, children, and the poor.

  • Modavations

    During the debate, Cain was talking about “Dodd Frank”.He said there were 3 problems.It didn’t address Fannie-Freddie,it didn’t address Chris Dodd,it didn’t address Barney Frank

    • ulTRAX

      As I already proved weeks ago FRANK HAD NO REAL POWER TO STOP FANNIE REFORMS. It was the GOP in a GOP Congress that killed these reforms. And now as we learned from the recent GOP debate, Newt was PAID some $300k by Freddie… and he lied about the reason.

      • Gregg

        You’ve never proved squat in your life but keep on believin’.

        • TruthSquad

          isn’t the problem here that you don’t know what evidence is?

    • IfTheNameFits

      Edgar, there you go again… your so naughty, I bet you would like to put your Dodd into a Fannie-Freddie-Frank.  

    • Gregg

      That was a hoot.

  • Modavations

    Deval Patrick received 1.3million in advance on his book.It has sold 6000 copies.He is now in NYC,shopping his new tome.”Man of Conviction(?).Was he referring to our last 3 “jailbird”leaders of the house,Mr Dimasi,Mr.Flaharty(?),or Mr.Finnerman(?).Not to mention the legions of lesser,convicted hacks.

    • ulTRAX

      Please stop spamming the board with your off topic posts.

      • GretchenMo

        from someone who knows spam

        • ulTRAX

          Yes I do… and I also know who’s off topic.

          Sadly you’re oblivious to both.

          • GretchenMo

            The topic is week in the news, Snooky.  So blame you’re own small-mindedness.

          • Gregg

            He gets testy with his people on his blog.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            See Gregg… it might gall you to admit you’re wrong… but what’s the alternative? To do what you constantly do? Dig yourself a deeper hole on a losing position? 

          • Gregg

            Off topic.

          • TruthSquad

            evasion.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Actually for once you’re correct Gretch. Patrick is in the news this week. My apoligies to you and Modevasions.  
             

    • IfTheNameFits

      Dear Edgar,

      I swear you like being so off topic about convicted felons and jailbird leaders.

      Are you repressing some sort of prison fantasy in the back of your mind?  Oops, dropped the soap…

  • Modavations

    To all you “WARRIORS”,thanks for keeping the “Barbarians from our Gate”.

    • IfTheNameFits

      Oh Edgar,

      What did you do – call in the troops.  I know how you like those black shinny boots and enjoy all those nice, tight formations.

      This kind of ‘warrior’ talk is right up your alley.    

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      Modavation you just amazed me but hey being who you are makes you interesting.

  • Yuripaskalovch

    I think today’s program should be called “Off Point.”  What’s “on”?  Two-thirds of the hour given over to verbose discussion of two clowns (Perry & Cain, Inc.) neither of whom will be the Republican candidate for President.  A myopic view of the European debt crisis.  A fleeting reference (run away as fast as you can) to the Penn State scandal.  And, as usual, a reluctance to expose the driving force behind the recent manufactured hysteria over Iran’s nuclear program.  

    • Plushkin

       To: Юрий Пасквиль-вич,

      You need to read more of Pedruso and HID-ANd-run rantings here. It is surely to give you warm fuzzes  and things to ponder about.

      Плюшкин.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        Dasvidanya!!!

      • Hidan

        HID-ANd-run  bhahaha funny. Far better than coming up with anything intelligent or disputing what Yuri said.

        Found a person you and Nadia Matar could be proud of a
        Bona fide victimized non-racist like yourself. Of course she’s not as victimized as Nadia Matar is. But she is another Sea to river champs like yourself.

        http://badrachel.blogspot.com/2011/10/gilad.html?spref=tw

        Read up folks on Pluskins earlier post and it matches pretty well with this chicks non-racist well informed words.


        He’s free and he’s home in the bosom of his family and his country.

        Celebrate, Israel, with all the joyous gratitude that fills your hearts, as we all do along with you.

        Then round up his captors, the
        slaughtering, death-worshiping, innocent-butchering, child-sacrificing
        savages who dip their hands in blood and
        use women—those who aren’t strapping bombs to their
        own devils’ spawn and sending them out to meet their seventy-two virgins
        by taking the lives of the school-bus-riding, heart-drawing,
        Transformer-doodling, homework-losing children of Others—and their
        offspring—those who haven’t already been pimped out
        by their mothers to the murder god—as shields, hiding behind their
        burkas and cradles
        like the unmanned animals they are, and throw them not into your
        prisons, where they can bide until they’re traded by the thousands for
        another child of Israel, but into the sea, to float there, food for
        sharks, stargazers, and whatever other oceanic carnivores God has put
        there for the purpose.”

      • Hidan

        Pushing

        Lies

        Under

        Specious
        habitual

        kamikaze

        Intolerant

        Name calling

        Plushkin MO.

        • PoliteApplause

          Well done. Creatively complete. 

          • Plushkin

            hey troll collector,
            why don’t you collect yourself, hidan-d-run and caruso and roll over in complete creativity?

        • Plushkin

          your tolerance, on the other hand, shines throughout this entire drivel.
          Funny how these self proclaimed libs love to deal labels to others while being the most obnoxious extremists around. Let your hate eat from inside out.

    • OffPointOften

      National Propaganda Radio:

      The new and improved not-for-profit-corporate media tool especially designed for the up-and-coming fascist elite agenda.

      It just keeps getting worse and worse.

      Say good-bye to our Republic.

      Glasnost anyone?

    • Hidan

      Great points,

      Not only is Israel preparing for retaliation if it bombed Iran, many in it’s own government are leaking information to prevent it. It should be amazing that people still thinks of Israel as any kind of ally when it and it’s israeli lobby are pushing the U.S. to war with Iran counter to about all of the U.S. interest.

      Don’t mind our little stalker troll. Down below

  • Michael Sacco

    I find it so ironic that the comments on this page are so hateful and partisan when Tom brings opposing points of view with such civility every day.If we don’t start finding some common ground soon and demand same of our ELECTED officials we will be in even deeper crap than we are in now.     And to our vets.  THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. Your service is honorable even when the motives of the politicians are suspect.

  • http://twitter.com/Dave_Eger Dave Eger

    It is an insult to veterans on Veterans Day to say that Rick Perry is not toast after that flub and has any chance to be commander in chief. I think that there are many confident, competent folks in the military who we be not only insulted, but outraged to have someone so obviously stupid and dishonest telling them what to do. He is not presidential material, stop making excuses. 

    It’s ridiculous to me that we are still even considering some of these fools. If we didn’t have to listen to so many parrots (often poorly) repeating what their script writers program them to say, we might actually be able to listen to Ron Paul long enough to understand the ideas he’s formulated all by himself.

    • Anonymous

      We’ve heard Ron Paul’s libertarian nonsense during his last failed campaign.  He hasn’t said anything new except that he’s get rid of FEMA. 

      • Long Time On Point Listener

        Obamacare will go first, then FEMA.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          so health insurance companies will not pay you being a troller. lol

          • Long Time On Point Listener

            Great comeback FAX68!

            For someone with an extra chromosone, you’re pretty sharp.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            it could be true i am part greek,chinese,filipino and spaniard. extra Chromosome can help boost my masculinity.

    • Rob (in NY)

      Rick Perry is a horrible debater and clearly has little to no chance of being nominated for President, much less elected.  While debating skils are clearly required in 2012 America to win elections,  I do not consider debating the ultimate indicator of intelligence or character.  

      While you may not like his politics, Rick Perry honorably served in US Force for almost ten years as a fighter pilot reaching the rank of Captain.    Based on love for our country, members of all US mlitary would glady serve under and salute Rick Perry as they have done under Presidents Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc……

      It is Veterans Day.  Can you salute Rick Perry, the veteran, if not the Presidential candidate?   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Happy Veterans’s Day to all American soldiers who served and protected the Filipino people during WW2.

    The American soldiers who served in Bataan and Corregidor. Maraming Salamat sa inyo (thank you so much).

    Our 2 nations will always be allies and friends forever.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I almost forgot thank you to the men and women who served the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I am Filipino but my respect for all of you is beyond the 7,000 islands of the Philippines.

      You served well and God Speed to all of you! Thank you

      • Long Time On Point Listener

        They didn’t fight for haters like you FAX68.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          ????

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          Hate is define not to treat the other person with respect and dignity.

        • Patriot

          Why do you hate America?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

            Thanks Patriot.

  • Anonymous

    We should all stop feeding the trolls.

    • Long Time On Point Listener

      It sounds like you’re going on a diet.

      • Anonymous

        You bet.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s to our vets, men like my late great uncle who received a bronze star for his action at the Battle of the Bulge. The amazing thing about this man was that our family did not find out he was awarded this medal until after he passed away and it was found in a draw. So on this veterans day I do salute sir.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      I know some history about the “Battle of the Bulge” Hitler’s last gamble to take back the western front. I saw the movie multiple times and my respect for those American soldiers.

      • Long Time On Point Listener

        We’re getting personal stories from the anti-Semite, FAX 68.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          Who Jeff68?

      • Michael Sacco

        I saw Dumbo once and I know from elephants

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

          I am a WW2 history buff nothing against Snuffleupagus.

    • Rob (in NY)

      I agree and salute all US veterans  with you for their service to our country.  My famiy has a similar experience with my grandfather who passed away in 1992.  He served primarily in the pacific theater (e.g. was restationed from Europe after the military figured out his father was of German ancestry).      He was a paratrooper who was wounded and eventually had to have one of legs amptuated.   He was awarded various medals for his service during the war, including a Distingushed Service Medal, but one of them were ever displayed with any prominence (they were thrown in a shoebox in the closet).    Because of his injuries, I always knew he served during WWII and was awarded several medals, but never knew the reason until he passed away.     He never viewed himself as a war hero, nor we would ever discuss war stories other than to say “We had a job to accomplish and did it” and  quickly change the topic to ask about my schoolwork,grades, and baseball.   As an old Brooklyn Dodger fan, I do not think he ever forgave my Dad for not stopping me from becoming a Yankee fan. The only time we ever really talked about the US military was when I was 17 years old and was considering attending the US military academy at West Point.   He told me that unless I was certain about wanting to pursue a long term career in the US military that I should attend college instead and service the country by joining the Army’s reserve officer training program while in college, which I did.  

      The point of my sharing my story is that there was something about the humility of the WWII generation that Americans of all political affiliation could learn today.   They never bragged about doing a job.  They just went about their business and did the job.   

  • Wes, Cambridge, MA

    Why is it that the presumed solution to the economic problems of Italy and Greece is austerity? Why support Wall Street high rollers who dictate to us that the we need to cut the social safety net? Why do the richest 1% of the world’s people make out like bandits, while the rest of us are told we need to tighten our belts? It is the same situation in the US as it is in Italy and Greece, austerity for the 99% and increasing wealth and luxury for the 1% worldwide. We need to create a world economy that works for everyone, not just the 1%. Austerity is not the solution, it is part of the problem.

    I say support the Green Party worldwide. It is the only party providing real answers to the world’s problems, by supporting the environment and supporting the world’s people.
     

    • Pink Muslimah

      I feel that Europe has lost the courage to tax the rich.

    • Leatherstocking

      Austerity is the solution. It just also needs to be shared, tangibly, by the 1%.

      I like that idea someone floated, that seems to address both income disparity/tension and real, regular person consumer demand, by a progressive tax at some high annual income level, being directly rebated to the rest of us.

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX
    • GretchenMo

      equal opportunity spamming, gotcha

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        It’s not Veterans Day?
         
        Check your calendar Cupcake!

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    Three ways to get the economy going without the government spending a dime: 1: Start to reverse free trade with escalating tariffs on imports from cheap labor nations like China.  2: Get Wall Street out of speculating in derivatives and commodities. Change their role from being a bloodsucker on the economy with $4 gasoline into investing in productive activities like startups and American companies.  3: Create a US government crude oil buying agency to act in behalf of all US companies. This will prevent the remaining end-users in the market from competing against each other and bidding up the price of oil.

    • twenty-niner

      Create a US government crude oil buying agency to act in behalf of all US companies.

      They could cut a lot of speculation by limiting the buyers of futures contracts to those entities who will take delivery or use the contracts for legitimate hedging, such as done by transportation companies.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Actually #2 of my proposals would deal with this problem. #3 is to cut down on the competition between the remaining legitimate end users. Consider it a buyer’s cartel to offset OPEC. The idea isn’t mine. I believe Barry Commoner mentioned it back in 1979.  It we don’t get these damn speculators out of the commodity markets they will continue to be an economic drag on the economy. Funny how the Right rails about public sector taxes, yet is blind to such costs imposed by the private sector. Perhaps we need a group to calculate a speculator tax we all pay on oil, gas, and food. It could be akin to the so-called misery index LOL 

    • Anonymous

      You should really know history before you make these statements. 

      Your plan to increase tariffs sounds a lot like the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act  that many people blame the Great Depression on (in part)

      • SmugAsABugInARug

        Your sources on the economic history of the Depression might need a tune-up. Even scholars are mixed whether the Smoot-Hawley Tariff significantly worsened the Depression.  

        The Depression was already under way:

        “Economists date the onset of the Great Depression to the cyclical peak of August 1929, although the stock market crash of October 1929 is the more traditional beginning. By the spring of 1930 it was already clear that the downturn would be severe…Final passage in the Senate took place on June 13, 1930…”Even if Smoot-Hawley had not been passed, U.S. exports would have fallen as incomes declined:”If there was retaliation for Smoot-Hawley, was this enough to have made the tariff a significant contributor to the severity of the Great Depression? Most economists are skeptical because foreign trade made up a small part of the U.S. economy in 1929 and the magnitude of the decline in GDP between 1929 and 1933 was so large.”http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/obrien.hawley-smoot.tariff

      • twenty-niner

        Your plan to increase tariffs sounds a lot like the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act

        Not really. At the time of Smoot, we were a net exporter and the bulk of our trade was with Europe, which had similar costs of production and labor rates. I would agree that in this case, tariffs were not productive.

        With respect to Chinese trade, however, half of the industrial companies are state owned and use monopolistic tactics to wipe out competition; they manipulate currency to drive down export prices; they pay slave wages; have no respect for the environment, and are the biggest thieves of intellectual property in the world. We should absolutely slap tariffs on this rogue state, and inform them that their holdings of treasuries are good for one thing: to buy American products. Otherwise, use them to make containers for Chinese take out.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Ya, some people. And some believe tax cuts for the rich rev up the economy. Correlation is not causation.  We were foolish to enter into these free trade agreements without thinking through whether they’d work and how we could back out of them. Yes there’s a risk of retaliation but we’ve set ourselves up by letting free trade undermine our self-sufficiency. If these trade deals are harming our economy then we might was well bite the bullet sooner than later.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX
  • Anonymous

    On this veterans day the Democrats on the uber-committee show no guts or spine as they decide not to scrap the Bush tax cuts.

    I dedicate this song to them.
    “If I only had the Nerve”

    Sung By: the Cowardly Lion or in this case the cowardly democrats.

    Life is sad, believe me Missy,

    When you’re born to be a sissy

    Without the vim and verve.

    But I could change my habits,

    Nevermore be scared of rabbits

    If I only had the nerve.

    I’m afraid there’s no denyin’

    I’m just a dandylion

    A fate I don’t deserve.

    But I could show my prowess,

    Be a lion not a mowess

    If I only had the nerve.

    Oh, I’d be in my stride, a king down to the core

    Oh, I’d roar the way I never roared before

    And then I’d rrrwoof

    And roar some more.

    I would show the dinosaurus

    Who’s king around the fores’

    A king they’d better serve.

    Why with my regal beezer,

    I could be another Caesar

    If I only had the nerve.

    Life is sad, believe me Missy,

    When you’re born to be a sissy

    Without the vim and verve.

    But I could change my habits,

    Nevermore be scared of rabbits

    If I only had the nerve.

    I’m afraid there’s no denyin’

    I’m just a dandylion

    A fate I don’t deserve.

    But I could show my prowess,

    Be a lion not a mowess

    If I only had the nerve.

    Oh, I’d be in my stride, a king down to the core

    Oh, I’d roar the way I never roared before

    And then I’d rrrwoof

    And roar some more.

    I would show the dinosaurus

    Who’s king around the fores’

    A king they’d better serve.

    Why with my regal beezer,

    I could be another Caesar

    If I only had the nerve.

    Life is sad, believe me Missy,

    When you’re born to be a sissy

    Without the vim and verve.

    But I could change my habits,

    Nevermore be scared of rabbits

    If I only had the nerve.

    I’m afraid there’s no denyin’

    I’m just a dandylion

    A fate I don’t deserve.

    But I could show my prowess,

    Be a lion not a mowess

    If I only had the nerve.

    Oh, I’d be in my stride, a king down to the core

    Oh, I’d roar the way I never roared before

    And then I’d rrrwoof

    And roar some more.

    I would show the dinosaurus

    Who’s king around the fores’

    A king they’d better serve.

    Why with my regal beezer,

    I could be another Caesar

    If I only had the nerve. 

    • SingALongFriday

      Nice creative effort.

  • Anonymous

    The real summary of this weeks events 

    From a more reputable news source of course.

    Positives:
    1) Berlusconi goes and Italian Senate passes budget (awaits lower House)
    2) EFSF sells bonds to fund Irish bailout after last week’s failure
    3) ECB members stick to guns and say money printing not going to happen. They implicitly say to Italy, ‘you figure it out,’
    4) Initial Jobless Claims fall to 390k, 10k less than expected and 4 week average falls to lowest since April5) Sept Exports rise to record high but can it last?6) MBA said refi’s rose 12.1% and purchases were up 4.8% as mortgage rates fell7) US import prices unexpectedly fall by .6% m/o/m led by food and energy prices8) China’s CPI moderates to five month low but remains still high at 5.5%

    Negatives:
    1) Italian bond yields move higher again but close well off week’s intraday highs. 3rd largest bond market in the world staring over the edge. French rising bond yields becoming big focus too
    2) Will the ECB be left with no choice but to be like Ben?
    3) US 10 yr and 30 yr Treasury auctions were weak, finally push back on historically low yields with inflation elevated and concerns with Super Duper Undercover Secret Committee?
    4) Import prices from China rise .4% m/o/m, the most since April
    5) India’s IP in Sept rise at the slowest pace in 2 yrs
    6) German IP in Sept fall a greater than expected 2.7%

    • EconomicShowOff

      Why are you keeping your ‘more reputable news source’ a secret?

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        B has stolen everything he’s posted from

        http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/

        So as long as B thinks this source is credible… does he agree with Ritholtz when he writes about the insanity of the Right wing?  

        One group has been especially vocal about shaping a new narrative of the credit crisis and economic collapse: those whose bad judgment and failed philosophy helped cause the crisis.Rather than admit the error of their ways — Repent! — these people are engaged in an active campaign to rewrite history. They are not, of course, exonerated in doing so. And beyond that, they damage the process of repairing what was broken. They muddy the waters when it comes to holding guilty parties responsible. They prevent measures from being put into place to prevent another crisis.Here is the surprising takeaway: They are winning. Thanks to the endless repetition of the Big Lie.A Big Lie is so colossal that no one would believe that someone could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. There are many examples: Claims that Earth is not warming, or that evolution is not the best thesis we have for how humans developed. Those opposed to stimulus spending have gone so far as to claim that the infrastructure of the United States is just fine, Grade A (not D, as the we discussed last month), and needs little repair.Wall Street has its own version: Its Big Lie is that banks and investment houses are merely victims of the crash. You see, the entire boom and bust was caused by misguided government policies. It was not irresponsible lending or derivative or excess leverage or misguided compensation packages, but rather long-standing housing policies that were at fault.Indeed, the arguments these folks make fail to withstand even casual scrutiny.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/what-caused-the-financial-crisis-the-big-lie-goes-viral/2011/10/31/gIQAXlSOqM_story.htmlIf so, perhaps B isn’t as braindead has he’s seemed.

  • Brandstanding

    Repost:

    For those of you who are tired of the sensationalized brandstanding by “Brandstad” –

    Here’s the factual information he didn’t provide (The first two quotes come directly from the source Bradstad headlined, however the link which was provided was not accurate) but had the audacity to comment:

    “If these people really represented 99% of the People of the US, we would be doomed!”

    Occupy Atlanta -

    … but the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports tests showed “No trace of any TB at all.”

    Occupy Oakland:

    “By all reports this is an incident of Oakland street violence brought to Occupy Oakland.”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/yesterday-at-occupy-a-suicide-a-murder-and-reports-of-tuberculosis-2011-11

    Occupy Burlington:

    Burlington, Vt., police said preliminary investigations show the 35-year-old military veteran fatally shot himself in the head Thursday at an Occupy Wall Street encampment.
     
    Emily Reynolds, a University of Vermont student and a leader in the local Occupy movement, said: “This person has clearly needed more help than we were capable of giving him here at this park.”

    If the U.S. government provided better mental health services, she said, “this probably wouldn’t have happened.”

    http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/209545.html

     

  • ArnoldWalker

    Another week and the fleabaggers are well off the front pages.  Thank goodness!

    • IfTheNameFits

      And Cain isn’t on top anymore either… except maybe in your dreams.

      Has anyone ever told you that you display the haughty anger of Edgar?

      I swear, you could be identical twins. 

      • Fredlinskip

        Cain’s rolling in the $ though.
        - He’s the next Sarah Palin.
        Talk is cheap and if there’s one thing he’s good at is cheap talk.

    • Moving goalposts much?

      Nice angstrom’s worth of narrative you righties get to use.

      Pull your head out of your Foxhole and you’d notice your side goes from “OWS is wearing out their welcome, waaaahhhhh” to “OWS isn’t in the news, proving they’re wrong”. With about a nanosecond in between.

       

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Another week where the Wall Street weasels are not in jail for their crimes against The People. Another week where these weasels, with the help of their stooges in government… mostly in the GOP, are hatching plans to do it all again!
       

      • ArnoldWalker

        Show me a crime, otherwise keep your leftwing-hack whining to yourself.

    • ArnoldWalker

      The only headline I did see was about fleabag-on-fleabag rape.  Rapists, drug users, anarchists and communists; nice crowd.

  • Leatherstocking

    Pathetic.

    S.E.C. Disciplines 8 Employees Over Madoff FailureBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESSPublished: November 11, 2011 at 4:23 PM ET
    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Securities and Exchange Commission says it has disciplined eight employees for failing to uncover the Bernard Madoff’s Ponzi scheme over a 16-year period. None of the employees were fired.SEC spokesman John Nester says the discipline varied. Three employees had their pay reduced. Two received 30-day suspensions without pay, one of whom also received a pay cut. The others received shorter suspension or counseling memos. The actions were based on recommendations by a law firm hired by the agency.

  • S. Emborg

    Penn State should be without a Football Team for as LONG as the ABUSE was KNOWN and COVERED-UP!!!

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Heads should roll, and hopefully some might face jail time… but your idea doesn’t help the victims and why punish the players and the fans?

      • nj

        Yes, people need their organized, sanctioned violence.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          I could care less about any organized sport. I was just objecting to SE’s “solution”.

  • Hidan

    Onpoint once again promotes a racist as some objective observer. Nadia Matar was on eariler. Even no one doesn’t know who this women is she part of the Women in Green and also called for the assassination of abbas in a NYC synagogue to cheer crowds but this time it’s Jennifer Ruban whose been on the Onpoint guest panel multiple times. Of course many posters and readers on the WAPO called out the hypocrisy in such a action as if the same was said about Israeli and Jews Rubin would have been Canned even the Ombudsman of WAPO said off the record that Rubin probaby should have been Canned.

     After Reading Rachel Abrams call for ethic cleansing and quite brutal killing of all Palestinians (much like Plushkin) because she believe them all to be terrorist even children mind you. Jennifer Rubin felt the need to retweet  it ( you know the guest on the show on Nov 2nd)even admittedly agreeing with it. Of course Rachel Abrams sits on the ECI or Emergency  Committee for Israel run by Bill Kristol who than claimed.

    “Abrams’ murderous desires were directed only toward Palestinian
    “terrorists,” not Palestinians generally — a self-evidently false excuse
    that quickly fell apart after Abrams wrote that, in essence, all Palestinians are Terrorists (“there are no fine points of distinction in what they’re after”).”

    Of course Rubin saw no problem defending Rachel Abram member of the ECI(Emergency Israeli Committee)

    Why the Washington Post won’t fire Jennifer Rubin

    http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/why_the_washington_post_wont_fire_jennifer_rubin/singleton/

    Rubin Retweet and the site points out the hypocrisy in all this.
    http://english.al-akhbar.com/blogs/gadfly/washington-posts-jennifer-rubin-promotes-call-palestinian-genocide

    In case you missed what our of course non-racist friend(our sea to river friend here should be proud) said.

    “He’s free and he’s home in the bosom of his family and his country.

    Celebrate, Israel, with all the joyous gratitude that fills your hearts, as we all do along with you.

    Then round up his captors, the
    slaughtering, death-worshiping, innocent-butchering, child-sacrificing
    savages who dip their hands in blood and
    use women—those who aren’t strapping bombs to their
    own devils’ spawn and sending them out to meet their seventy-two virgins
    by taking the lives of the school-bus-riding, heart-drawing,
    Transformer-doodling, homework-losing children of Others—and their
    offspring—those who haven’t already been pimped out
    by their mothers to the murder god—as shields, hiding behind their
    burkas and cradles
    like the unmanned animals they are, and throw them not into your
    prisons, where they can bide until they’re traded by the thousands for
    another child of Israel, but into the sea, to float there, food for
    sharks, stargazers, and whatever other oceanic carnivores God has put
    there for the purpose.”http://badrachel.blogspot.com/2011/10/gilad.html?spref=tw

    • Plushkin

      blah, blah frothing at the mouth, blah, blah, bring Plushkin and claim a few things he never said, blah, blah.

      nothing to add to this really, other than giving numerous examples of
      how pals are
       saughtering
       death-worshiping
      and so on so forth…,
      which everybody realizes even without being pointed out explicitly.

  • Hidan

    Notice the 2003.

    Nuclear Israel revisited

    To have or not to have nuclear weapons is a question of human security and not European privilege.http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/11/2011111075527560230.html

    Worth also reporting much of the claims of Iran nuke were pre 2003 and the former head of the IAEA was the new head was installed with U.S. blessing and even still the report has no smoking gun like what people claimed when leaking it to the press. Not to mention what the WH claimed counters what the CIA has said

    http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/04/world/fg-iran4

    Iran halted nuclear push in 2003, U.S. now says
    A reversal of longtime warnings about an arms program is likely to fuel debate over how next to confront Tehran.
    December 04, 2007|Greg Miller | Times Staff Writer
    WASHINGTON
    — U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Iran halted its
    nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that international pressure has
    compelled the Islamic Republic to back away from its pursuit of the
    bomb.

    The assessment, which represents the consensus of the 16 U.S.
    intelligence agencies, including the CIA and the National Security
    Agency, is expected to have major implications for the ongoing debate
    over whether to confront Iran militarily or through diplomatic means, an
    issue that has been a source of friction within the Bush administration
    and with some members of the international community.

    of course David Ignatius claims otherwise.

    • Plushkin

      it is totally unfathomable to nitwits like hidan and his ilk, to think that even if program was ostensibly stopped in 2003, 2011 might bring new realities. Sweet dreams. They are seeing ever reaching hands of Mossad everywhere. 

  • Hidan

    Oh snap check out Rachel Abrams list of blog rolls.

    http://badrachel.blogspot.com/2011/10/gilad.html?spref=tw
    MEMRI anyone?

  • Anonymous

    Are you honestly serious? With all that’s in the news, this estimable program deems the aimless, idealess Republican presidential primary to be not just the lead story, but worth fully the first 30 minutes of a 45 minute “Week In the News” program?  Does Tom’s editorial sense go on vacation when he does?  Apparently.  This show sounds like nothing so much as a deaf-dumb-blind inside-the-beltway political chat show a la The Chris Matthews Show this week, what with itsPolitico and WaPo representatives, except that I think in a week like this, even Chris Matthews would have gotten to Europe and Penn State in the first two-thirds of his program.  Where is On Point’s sense of real-world import this week?  Wherever Tom went for vacation, apparently.  Are we renaming the Friday show “This Week In Politics” for the next twelve months?

    • Anonymous

      Just read below the mention of Tom’s surgery and then listened to the end of Wednesday’s show to hear him announce he’d be out a couple weeks for joint surgery.  I wish him the speediest of recoveries.  This bums me out, though.  We need him back (as you can see I feel above)!  I missed him on the Penn State program; I think he’d have had the best coverage available, as he did for the Tucson tragedy: alert, thorough, fair, incisive, and passionate.  Best wishes.  Come back as soon as you are healthy enough, Tom. We already miss you.

  • Ed

    If only the ferocity we have toward child sexual abuse we had toward abortion, which is the ultimate child abuse.

    (How can President Obama say that our first priority is to protect our children when he wants to fund abortion in the US and does so around the world?)

    • Hidan

      Question?

      If the Pope speaks to and for god why did not God/Jesus or the Holy Ghost not inform the Pope that priest were doodling little boys? Was God on vacation? Did the Pope install a new Disk TV that blocked God from telling him?

      If God does not speak to the Pope or the Pope does not speak for God why should anyone believe what the guy has to say esp on abortion?

      • Brett

        Now, Hidan, Ed will just say that Satan hacked into God’s voicemail system, so God’s message to the Pope didn’t get through. No, no, wait, I’ve got it: the Pope did what was legally required of him; he told God! 

        • Brett

          Wait, I’ve got it: the Pope was not the “designated agent” for the Vatican reporting protocol, so he wasn’t obligated to relay God’s message about the priests…would you believe a thunder storm knocked out God’s power lines? 

    • Brett

      Judging by your earlier comment that you thought it was unfair how people were fired over the Penn. State allegations, perhaps it would be more aptly put to say that “if only you condemned child sexual abuse with the same ferocity that you condemn abortion…” 

      Also, when you say that Obama wants to fund abortion, what do you mean specifically, not hyperbolically, mind you, just facts, there, Ed.

    • JJBenett4

      I agree with you ED, at least in this.  These people are conscienceless bastards.  They have no concept that for most of them, their time as a fetus was the best part of their life, just because it is beyond their ability to remember or experience any state that is not based in the automatic programmed flow of association through them, and that superficial last-to-know flow, tells them that there is no human awareness until this superficial survival sense, that they refer to as “my mind” or “me” becomes active.  They are a bunch of evil bastards, totally asleep and in denial about the real significance of what they have done, and what it really says about them.  The only good outcome of their heinous act is that it seems to lower the crime rate, because these same people would generate criminals because of their inability to raise children in manner that will produce good citizens.

    • Fredlinskip

      Ultimate chid abuse is starvation.

      Ultimate disrespect for human life is War.
      Do you protest against War with the same fervor?

  • david

    How do you judge the quality of a movement!
    As they lose momentum they resort to voilence, they did, as predicted.
    This week, three dead from gunfire!
    Cafe business in NYC lays off workers due to the OWS misguided!
    Sexual assault reported! 
    Millions of taxpayer dollars wasted!
    Also,
    An example of how fame, history, and the inportance of sports prominence can out weigh the lowest depavity of mankind!
    The response from the students, riots!
    We need to get back to values!!!!!

    • Hidan

      “We need to get back to values!!!!!”

      Which ones the ones in the 50′s?60′s? 70′s? or further were blacks and women had no right to vote? or even further where blacks were slaves?

      Could you provided a date of the good old days? 90′s maybe? but than again Gay’s were disallowed from the military and were still getting bet for being gay.

      Speaking of Millions did you know that the war in iraq and Afghanistan turned out to have over 30 Billion unaccounted for? or how Billions are going to the Taliban to protect contractors working for Nato?

      • Fredlinskip

        If conservatives had gotten their way past couple of centuries,  we’d still have slavery, women woudn’t vote, we’d have 60 hour work week & child labor, there’d be no Social Security, mininum wage would be 75 Cents an hour, ….and we’d still belong to England-  amongst other things.

        Those were the good old days!

    • Brett

      Well, to apply the logic you have applied here with your OWS drivel, I have to say I grew up next door to a conservative bigot from the rural south; he became the Grand Wizard of the K.K.K. in our state when he was in his late twenties. So, being that you are also a conservative bigot from the rural south, you must also be high up in the K.K.K.! See, david, your logic in that regard does not work. 

      Besides, you don’t fool a soul into thinking you are trying to use some reasonable metric to judge the OWS movement; you are judging the movement because you don’t agree with the movement and you don’t like liberals protesting anything, which is fine, but don’t pretend you have drawn your conclusions about the people protesting using some reasonable measuring stick. 

      • david

        Like a true left winger, redirect the conversation to character attacks.
        The OWS are useful idiots for a more sinister cause and you have’nt the foresight to see it!
        They are hypocrites, they protest the big banks and call for people to withdraw their money while they deposit $20,000 in Wells Fargo!
        There is no logic involved in my statement, just the facts.
        Ans now you try to make me into a bigot.
        I judge the movement by their actions, have you????? maybe not!

        • TruthSquad

          it sounds like you’re the useful idiot for the republicans.

    • Fredlinskip

      If I was a GOP strategist, I’d hire out some henchmen to infiltrate and/or disguise themselves as OWS’ers and incite or directly perform acts of violence. That should slow down the movement considerably.

      We can’t have those folks out there speaking the truth- Americans might start to listen- And that would be truly dangerous to the powerful interests that run country/control messaging.

  • JustSayin

    Alabama’s Jefferson County Declares Largest Municipal Bankruptcy In U.S. History: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/alabama-bankruptcy-county-municipal_n_1084940.html

    “The biggest civic bankruptcy in American history could leave
    residents of Alabama’s most populous county paying astronomical rates
    for public services performed by a skeleton crew of county workers. Or
    it could simply mean tightening the belt another few notches, depending
    how much of Jefferson County’s $4.15 billion debt will have to be paid.

    It’s even possible that, just as companies have benefited from
    bankruptcy, that the county surrounding Birmingham will emerge stronger
    for it.

    For now, much is uncertain for following the county’s
    Chapter 9 filing on Wednesday. The full impact on its 658,000 resident’s
    won’t be clear until after a judge approves the move at a hearing next
    month and local officials negotiate a plan with creditors for adjusting
    its debts. The outlook among some officials was grim a day after the
    filing, while others defended the move.”

    Wow! One county $4.15 billion in debt. Just Wow!

    • Sprackle

      So, Alabama gets a GOP lege (first time since, what, Grant was prez?). They go in wanting to slash every department while not raising a penny of revenue. Remember, they tax millionaires at half the rate the poor.

      Calling Grover Norquist: You’ve got your bathtub. And a red state is going hooves-up.

      It couldn’t happen to a nicer place.

      • Moving goalposts much?

        Edit error: I didn’t mean to say “red state”, but “a major city in a red state, run the way red staters run things”.

  • Brett

    Mike McQueary needs to be fired. It’s pretty clear that he was old enough, big and strong enough, and should have been outraged enough to stop the rape. His thoughts about what he should do: go home and ask Dad?!?!? McQueary was a 28 year-old graduate student thinking more about a position on the coaching staff after his practicum was finished than he was saving a ten year-old boy from harm.

  • JJBenett4

    Prepare for the avalanche of lies.  If you think it’s bad now, wait until the police or national guard start to kill OWS protestors.  The corporate controlled media and the gov. will let go all the stops on the propaganda machine.  After the Kent State Massacre eighty-five percent of the public, believed that the protestors were responsible for the violence at Kent State. Of the four students murdered by the heroes in the national guard, all were unarmed, the closes one to the shooters was a hundred yards away from the mamma’s boy who shot her, and two of them were on the way to classes and were not involved in the protests at all.  Following the most shameful incident in the History of the United States, people like david (who posted below) came to the conclusion that protestors were responsible for the violence, based on the information available from the media and authorities.

    The dawning of what much of the political/banking/defense triad have been up to for the past thirty odd years is quite akin to discovering that you idyllic existence is an illusion which is really run by the Morlock 1%, who have been feeding on you all along, while keeping you anesthetized with media dreams.

    • Fredlinskip

      If I was a GOP strategist, I’d hire out some henchmen to infiltrate and/or disguise themselves as OWS’ers and incite or directly perform acts of violence. That should slow down the movement considerably.

      We can’t have those folks out there speaking the truth- Americans might start to listen- And that would be truly dangerous to the powerful interests that run country/control messaging.

    • KmonHw

      Let us not forget that the day before one of those heroes bayoneted a really cute young girl.  Interesting and horrid that this young man picked the most sexually attractive person across the line from him to stick his knife into her cute little belly.  These people are armed, dangerous, and psychologically naive, they unknowingly live out suppressed desires by killing what they want to screw but can’t.

  • JJBenett

    Penn State should be made to shut down it’s football program for a year or so until the students and rabid alumni fans begin to understand what things are really important in life – and watching someone else play a game just ain’t important at all — not one little bit, it’s just for people who are incapable of figuring out something real and significant to do with their spare time.

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    Also in the news, some Republican’s want their name taken off Norquist’s No Tax Pledge list….

    “I haven’t signed it since 1994,” Rep. Steven LaTourette (R-Ohio) said, explaining that he didn’t even remember endorsing the pledge until Americans for Tax Reform produced the original document earlier this year. In its publicly displayed list of signers “in the 112th Congress,” Norquist’s group includes several members who say they have specifically refused to sign the pledge during their most recent campaigns. The sheet of paper they signed years ago, the lawmakers say, is no longer valid. “My driver’s license expires. The milk in my refrigerator expires. My gym membership expires, and I find the website to be a little deceptive,” LaTourette said. Norquist immediately dismissed the claim, which was echoed by several other House Republicans. “Does that even pass the laugh test?” Norquist told The Hill. “A promise not to do something doesn’t have a time limit.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2804699/posts

    • TruthSquad

      no cult wants to release its members.

  • JonS

    The OWS crowd are the poster children for the failed public school system and 30 years of the entitlement culture. I’ve never listened in my life to such unmitigated ignorance and demented thinking. 

    At his inaugeration, JFK said “Ask not what your country can do for you , ask what you can do for your country”. He must be turning over in his grave wondering what’s become of this country and the Democrat party.

    • Anonymous

      Well that’s your opinion. I’m not hearing the same message.
      I could say the same thing about wall street in context to JFK quote.

      • JonS

        Sorry–it’s not clever word play. It’s JFK’s message that people have within themself the ability to make something of their life and their country. But message of the youth today ( I’m 60) is “what can you do for me today” ; ie. that they’re owed something more than just an opportunity to succeed. Yes their is a growing income inequality but that’s been a growing phenomena for nearly 30 years. When you cut through all the rhetoric, the fact of a global economy has changed the playbook for getting into the middle class.  Blaming those who are successful only makes everyone poorer. Yes the poor need a helping hand but a country that has so many people dependent on the largess of a shrinking majority of people is a country in decline. The left can spin it anyway they want but it is not good for our country that nearly 50% of all people pay no federal income tax. When you combine that group with public employees , you have a near majority of voters who will always vote for higher taxes to be paid by others. That is not good.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          How about the ones with over 75% of the money NOT paying over 30% of the taxes? Probably a lot less?

          • Gregg

            The top 1% pay as much as the bottom 90% combined. The top one tenth of one percent pay 75% of the bill. That’s like the city of Dayton, Ohio paying the same as all of Germany.

          • Anonymous

            This is crap, the right is always trying to play this card.
            If you make 30 million a year your going to be paying more taxes than someone making 30K. Make less than 40K a year and I pay federal taxes, everyone does. That people get money back at tax time is based on the earnings and deductions. I’m really sick and tired of this right wing spin on how the 1% are the victims. It’s bull-crap, nothing more and nothing less. I’m sure you’ll have some smart ass response, but I’m really done trying to even speak to people like you. You support an idiot like Cain who is clearly not fit to be president let alone the head of a corporation.
            The right loves to use people of lesser means as scapegoats and the poor as their enemy. Then they cry class warfare when they are called out on their obvious disgusting ideological views. As far as I’m concerned what I see on the right is nothing more than wannabe fascist.

          • Gregg

            “That people get money back at tax time is based on the earnings and deductions.”

            I don’t get money back, I pay quarterly.

            http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/printer/27733.html

          • TruthSquad

            that says more about income inequality than the tax code.

            odd that you can’t see the obvious.

          • Gregg

            I am not one bit jealous of anyone’s income. I don’t care how much anyone makes.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            But if a meritocracy is to work there has to be a belief by all that the rich aren’t gaming the system at everyone else’s expense. So yes, it DOES matter how people “make” their money. You just dismiss that possibility as you do Big Money can buy Washington.
             
            If you were just naïve, there might be hope for you. But you’re operating on a level of either willful denial, or outright dishonesty. Which is it?

          • TruthSquad

            it was this sort of corruption in washington that led to the progressive era. they prohibited corporate campaign contributions, broke up monopolies, cleaned up the food supplies, ended child labor, instituted high taxes on the rich, and thought popular elections of senators would clean up congress.

          • Gregg

            The crackhead trading food stamps for beer and living in subsidized housing is gaming the system too… at my expense. I’ll just live my own life.

          • TruthSquad

            but abusing public assistance is illegal.

            is not the issue what wall street and washington insiders are getting away with legally?

            did you see 60 minutes last week and last night? 

        • Fredlinskip

          So you weren’t so big on Eisenhower, Truman, Johnson, Kennedy, Nixon, etc or any of those Pinko Comi’s whose administrations encouraged over twice the tax rates of upper incomes than we have today?
          Correct?

        • Anonymous

          Yes it is word play. Kennedy was addressing a collective ideal.
          Something you clearly do not get. Go ahead and blame people who are younger than you. I’m sure that’s just a typical age related reaction. If your 60 then you were part of the “me” generation who were the most selfish, self absorbed generation we have seen and in my view are a huge part of the current financial mess we have in this nation.Gordon Gekko, you remember him, Mr. Greed is good.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Jon: “Yes the poor need a helping hand but a country that has so many people dependent on the largess of a shrinking majority of people is a country in decline.” Yet you seem oblivious to the cause of that decline. Irresponsible tax cuts have widened the income gap and are sabotaging the fiscal health of the government. Free trade has deindustrialized the nation and reduced wages for average people. Wall Street prefers to speculate… often becoming a leech on the economy, instead of investing in it.  THESE ARE RIGHT WING IDEAS!!!!!!!! Do you EVER intend to come to grips with this simple fact?

        • Anonymous

          “Yes their [sic] is a growing income inequality but that’s been a growing phenomena for nearly 30 years.” — It started with Reagan. 

    • Fredlinskip

      “The OWS crowd are the poster children for the failed public school system and 30 years of the entitlement culture. I’ve never listened in my life to such unmitigated ignorance and demented thinking.”

      I take it you’ve never seen Fox “News” then?

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      “I’ve never listened in my life to such unmitigated ignorance and demented thinking.”

      Really? Try reading some of your own posts!  

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      First of all, who cares what JFK said.

      Second if we do, then we know JFK’s beliefs can’t be summed up into a single phrase. Modevasions has been playing that game with his “rising tide” phrase.

      As it turned out JFK was NOT taking about tax cuts for the rich trickling down and raising all boats. JFK was referring to FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING which he considered an investment in the US.

      Remarks in Heber Springs, Arkansas, at the Dedication of Greers Ferry Dam. October 3, 1963
      These projects produce wealth, they bring industry, they bring jobs, and the wealth they bring brings wealth to other sections of the United States. This State had about 200,000 cars in 1929. It has a million cars now. They weren’t built in this State. They were built in Detroit. As this State’s income rises, so does the income of Michigan. As the income of Michigan rises, so does the income of the United States. A rising tide lifts all the boats and as Arkansas becomes more prosperous so does the United States and as this section declines so does the United States. So I regard this as an investment by the people of the United States in the United States.
      http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=9455

      So in that context… JFK might have asked what we can do for country, but he never lost site of what country can do for us.

       

      • Gregg

        “Second if we do, then we know JFK’s beliefs can’t be summed up into a
        single phrase. Modevasions has been playing that game with his “rising
        tide” phrase.”

        Then there was two. Make it three:

        It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax
        revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the
        long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a
        budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy
        which can bring a budget surplus.”

        – John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president’s news conference

        Heck here’s a page full of JFK tax quotes:

        http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?article_id=39517

        Rewrite that.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Gee Gregg… we can argue quotes all the time. My first point is that try as the Orwellian Right tries, JFK was not right wing supplysider who thought government had no role in bootstrapping the economy. As his “rising tide” quotes show he supported quasi-socialistic public investments in infrastructure to create that rising tide. 

          JFK was also NOT an irresponsible tax cutter like Reagan and Bush2. His stated intent was to collect MORE revenue. JFK never said tax rates should be cut forever. Only the Orwellian Right would have the gall to claim that if JFK wanted  a 70% top income tax rate, he’d support a 28% or 25% top tax rate. If YOU support that 70% rate… then SAY SO!!!

          But there’s the bigger issue you’ll want to avoid. Where’s the evidence these tax cuts… passed by LBJ in 1964 actually raised more revenue? According to the Historical Budget Tables revenue in

          1962 = 99.7

          1963 = 106.5 billion. 

          1964 = 112.6    -11.5 billion Revenue Act of 1964

          1965 = 116.8

          1966 = 130.8    +5 billion Tax Adjustment Act of 1966

          1967 = 148.8  

          1968 = 152.9   +16 billion Revenue and Expenditure Control Act

          There are no multi-year revenue projections I can find for tax bills before 1967 so numbers quoted are for the FIRST year.

          http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/tax-analysis/Documents/ota81.pdf

          There’s  just no clear evidence the “JFK” tax cuts actually raised revenue because 1: even after a tax cut revenue will rise from inflation and the growth of the economy. 2: there were two TAX HIKES, one in 66 and another in 86. If we used constant dollars the revenues of each year would be smaller.

          So if there’s no apparent revenue increase from the “JFK” tax cut, and the Reagan/ Bush2 tax cuts were revenue slashers… WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DEFENDING THESE TAX CUTS AS REVENUE RAISERS????

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Correction, there were two tax hikes… one in 66, the other in 68.

            If Moda wants to go to 1969 there was another tax hike then too: Tax Reform Act of 1969 which was expected to bring in 6.2 billion in the first two years.  

          • Gregg

             “Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so
            raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a
            few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal
            government.”

            – John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Nice claim… just like Reagan’s and Bush’s. I”m not saying a tax system can’t become a barrier to growth. But WHERE’S THE EVIDENCE THIS TAX CUT  ACTUALLY PRODUCED MORE REVENUE? I posted the actual revenue number and all you do is repost another CLAIM.

            And where’s the evidence that JFK would have CONTINUED to cut taxes down to 28% or lower as some of the Tax Cut Crazies in the GOP want to do?

          • Gregg

            “It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do
            to stimulate investment in today’s economy is to raise consumption by
            major reduction of individual income tax rates.”

            – John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: “The Economic Report Of The President”

          • TruthSquad

            greg again resorts to evasion.

            yes, greg, where is your evidence these or any such tax cuts produce more revenue?

          • Gregg

            “Our present tax system … exerts too heavy a drag on growth …
            It reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and
            risk-taking … The present tax load … distorts economic judgments
            and channels an undue amount of energy into efforts to avoid tax
            liabilities.”

            – John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, press conference

             

          • GregsNotHonest

            Greg, with your history of being in the intellectual gutter, this is a new low for you. Can you back up your claim or not? 

          • Gregg

            You’ve got to be ulTRAX which is creepy. I can tell by the way you demand I back up a claim I never made.

             
            “The largest single barrier to full employment of our manpower and
            resources and to a higher rate of economic growth is the
            unrealistically heavy drag of federal income taxes on private purchasing
            power, initiative and incentive.”

            – John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, special message to Congress on tax reduction and reform

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Here’s a classic Orwellian Right claim… “1962 and 1969, revenues increased 6.4 percent a year…” 

            It’s from a GOP committee http://www.house.gov/jec/growth/longterm/longterm.pdf 
            If the influx of new revenue from the JFK/LBJ tax cut was so obvious… the Right would NOT need to count revenue from three tax HIKES in 66,68, and 69 as “proof” these tax cuts create more revenue.

            If the Dems were ever so blatantly dishonest in their claims, the Right would never let them live it down. Yet this crap is the norm for the  Right.

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    Republicans responsible for Keystone XL delay? Nebraska Gov Dave Heineman is a Republican…

    Thursday on 10/11 News at Noon, Governor Dave Heineman broke major news about the Transcanada Keystone XL Pipeline. He indicated that the Obama Administration would delay a decision on the pipeline issue for 12-18 months to conduct a review to move the route.Around 1:15 p.m. Thursday, the State Department ordered the developer of the pipeline that would carry oil from western Canada to Texas to reroute the project away from environmentally sensitive areas of Nebraska.Gov. Dave Heineman says the U.S. State Department decision to reassess the route of the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline was due largely to pressure from Nebraskans.

    http://www.1011now.com/home/headlines/133627933.html

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Republican Senator Mike Johanns was also against the current Keystone KL route….

      Another significant concern of mine relates to the fact that alternatives to the proposed pipeline route, which may hold the potential to better protect the Ogallala Aquifer, were not fully explored. I outlined this concern in a letter to the Department of State, sent on October 14, 2010. My goal is to ensure the best experts fully address these issues and provide justification for the proposed route through the aquifer. The Ogallala Aquifer is our state’s most treasured resource and we have an obligation to ensure it is protected to the best of our ability. 

      http://johanns.senate.gov/public/?p=trans

    • TruthSquad

      so obama gives in to a republican governor and the republicans still go after him?

  • Gregg

    Here is an interesting NYT article on Italy from 15 years ago. The chickens have come home to roost and we seem hell bent to go down the same road.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/12/weekinreview/the-state-of-welfare-in-italy-where-every-day-is-mother-s-day.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

    • JonS

      I’m watching. Santorum and Bachman have impressed ; Perry is not ready for primetime; Huntsman was effective in stating his minority position

      • Gregg

        I agree, especially Santorum.

        • Anonymous

          Santorum couldn’t even get re-elected.  At least Mitt was smart enough to not run for governor again. 

          • Gregg

            Another good point. You’re on a roll. The irony is his support for Arlen Spector’s reelection probably did him in.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Please Gregg… you’re the LAST person to lecture us on US fiscal policy.

      YOU supported Bush as he sabotaged debt pay down with round after round of irresponsible tax cuts… then pretended these tax cuts created a revenue boom… as if taking 6 YEARS just to rebound to Clinton levels* is proof of sound fiscal policy.
       

      *constant dollars.

      • Gregg

        You do realize you have made no substantive comment regarding Italy? I don’t have any idea where you get I’m lecturing anyone, don’t be so defensive. 15 years ago people were looking at the welfare state in Italy. It was a predictable failure of Keynesian policy and now we’re here. The article is germane.

        The tax cuts were anything but “irresponsible” but as I’ve said 100 times, I wouldn’t call it a “boom”. They kept the Clinton recession shallow and got us through 9/11. Revenue went up and the unemployment rate went down. That’s what happened. You can rewrite it all you want.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Of COURSE the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible. Bush ran on PAYING DOWN DEBT which then was about SIX TRILLION DOLLARS when those tax cuts were passed. I’ve been waiting now SIX MONTHS for you do deal with this issue but you always evade it.

          As for the origins of the Bush tax cut you’re AGAIN rewriting history and you know it. It goes back to at least May 2000 and it was proposed to deal with the CLINTON SURPLUS. It was NEVER originally proposed to deal with a possible recession that new GDP data shows might never have even occurred. That rationale was created later. 

          Either way it’s one thing if Bush passed some temporary tax cut measure to stimulate the economy with the intent of recouping lost revenue latter to keep his promise of paying down debt. But instead he passed SIX ROUNDS of tax cuts even as the debt/deficits continued to grow. There is simply NO evidence Bush EVER intended to pay down debt because by his own words he KNEW to do so would strengthen Social Security. The GOP has been using fiscal irresponsibility to sabotage the fiscal health of government hoping to strangle New Deal and Great Society safety net programs. 

          As for your argument these tax cuts kept the recession shallow… you’re now using the argument you tried so hard to discredit when it comes to the Obama Stimulus: jobs NOT lost don’t count!  But then, because you’re an Orwellian Right partisan… none of us expect you to be honest and we expect such hypocrisy.

          • Gregg

            Look mom, I can make bold!

          • TruthSquad

            as trax predicted, more evasion by greg.

          • Gregg

            My thread (ulTRAX’s rules) and the subject was Italy’s welfare state which is on topic. ulTRAX is the evader in chief.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Hey Einstein, I can just as well expose your right wing spin in my own thread.

          • TruthSquad

            evasion by any other name.

            hey trax has it really been 6 months greg has refused to deal with shrub’s budget busting policies?

  • Gregg

    The big Republican Party Foreign Policy debate is just fixin’ to kick off. Anybody watching? I stand ready and willing to slam and praise as warranted.

  • Carynk1

    On Point Team: 
    Re: the possible US response to the apparent nuclear capability development in Iran, please, please, when talking about a possible military response, don’t forget that “Iran” is not only a political entity.  Iran is a country full of people.  People who will be hurt, no matter what drone/ “surgical” options are “planned.” 

    Also, I was surprised that the Green Movement wasn’t mentioned in the discussion of Iran’s internal political forces. They were a strong voice before they were forced off the street. I think their actions and methods were an important precursor to the Arab Spring.   And I’m sure that nothing has changed in their  beliefs and aspirations. I’d be willing to bet that they don’t support what their decision makers are doing vis a vis nuclear weapons.  In no way would military action be helpful to them.

    thanks

    • Fredlinskip

      “Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran.”- McCain

      Just nuke ‘em- Save some bucks.
       They hate us for our Freedom- lets show ‘em the meaning of freedom.

      • ArnoldWalker

        I smell another Peace Prize….

        • IfTheNameFits

          Edgar – What else do you smell?

  • Gregg

    As if anyone cares (I know), I’m digging the debate. Foreign policy is where the rubber meets the road and the conversation is deep. Kudos CBS/National Journal.
     
    My Newt supporting pragmatic side is looking at Mr. Default (Romney) with reluctant potential enthusiasm. My forward looking “Santorum is the new Newt is the new Cain is the the new Perry anti-Romney” side says cool.  At the same time Cain could get my vote in a heartbeat. Times are good.

    • Fredlinskip

      You’re goofier than a 3-dollar bill.

      You like Cain… because all of the women he got to harass?

      You TRULY think Cain would stand up to the likes of an investigation that Clinton got?
       
      Or are there different standards for GOP and Dems?

      • TJ

        The different standard starts with the left giving Clinton a pass. 

        White women accusing a black man of being improper; thank heavens Cain didn’t live in an earlier period.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          No doubt partisans of both parties will find some way to excuse the flaws and faults of their candidates. Clinton may very well have been a scumbag. But as it turns out so were most of the GOP leadership who were pushing for impeachment. They can claim all the noble motives they want. It was an attempted coup led by GOP. Their abuse of the law for political purposes was no more sincere than they refusal to use the law to remove Bush and Cheney who were clearly war criminals. But what can we expect from the GOP… the party with the most irresponsible fiscal policies under Bush, then railed against Obama’s spending.  
           

          • Gregg

            ” But as it turns out so were most of the GOP leadership who were pushing for impeachment.”

            Such blathering idiocy deserves no respect.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Your faux indignation is laughable, especially since you often claim to so well remember the era. Are you claiming impeachment leaders like Newt, Bob Barr, Henry Hyde, were perfect family values Republicans?

            Since I know you’re here 24/7 pretending the GOP has some monopoly on morality and good economic sense, here are some leads for what no doubt will be your future research!

            http://www.thedubyareport.com/node/473

          • Gregg

            Here are the latest numbers available on the price of tea in China.

             http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20110511/BLOG03/110519979

          • TruthSquad

            greg again resorts to evasion.

          • Gregg

            There’s nothing to evade.

          • TruthSquad

            denying you are evasive when you clearly are is just more evasion.

          • Gregg

            My thread (ulTRAX’s rules).

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            So I started a new thread and of course you went way beyond simple evasion. You denied your own words written here.  Such is what passes for intellectual maturity on the Right.

          • Gregg

            Quote the words I denied or apologize.

          • TruthSquad

            Gregg Yesterday 08:05 AM in reply to ulTRAX
            ” But as it turns out so were most of the GOP leadership who were pushing for impeachment.”

            Such blathering idiocy deserves no respect.

            ——————————————

            those are the words greg denies ever writing.

          • Gregg

            I wrote’m. Where have I denied so? Where do you see my claim nary an impeachment supporter ever diddled? You need a new moniker, liar. 

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Gregg’s support for GOP canidates is in direct relationship to how nutty they are.

        • Gregg

          Are you pining for another Nader run?

          • ArnoldWalker

            that and a girlfriend

          • IfTheNameFits

            Oh, Girlfriend?  Oh, you kid, you Edgar twin.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            As I said… the nuttier the GOP candidate the more you love them. I doubt we’d have the economic collapse if someone like Nader had been president the past 20 years. You, on the other had… like the rest of the nutcase Right, show no second thoughts or remorse about the utter bankruptcy of your ideas in the economic collapse. You can sweep the origins of these ideas under the rug because Clinton bought into many of them… free trade and deregulation, but they, along with irresponsible tax cuts, are RIGHT WING ideas.  
             

      • Gregg

        I’m not ready to pronounce Cain a sleezebag yet. I have seen no credible evidence. The one “victim” has a credibility problem. I also realize the PC society we live in and the evolution of “sexual harassment”. This is not to excuse in any way the very real problem but it’s not like Cain dropped his drawers an said “kiss it”. That was Clinton and Paula Jones. He didn’t rape anyone as happened to Juanita Broderick. No one’s pets were killed to instill fear as with Kathleen Wiley. It also doesn’t appear Cain used his power to influenced the outcome. It’s not like the President of the United States using the full force and weight of the Government to pressure Linda Tripp to perjure herself in Federal court.

    • nj

      ^ Deluded that anyone really cares what he thinks about the Republican clown posse.

      • Gregg

        I gave the caveat.

  • Modavations

    Kennedy’s “Rising seas lifts all boats”,was lifted by Sorenson.It was from the N.Eng. Chamber of commerce.Pres.Kennedy in his 1963 speech about his tax cuts said,”Prosperity is the real way to balance our budget,…by lowering taax rates,by increasing jobs and income,we can expand tax revenues and finally bring our budget into balance.”
          From 1962-1969 revenues increased 6.4%In 1962 the budget deficit was 7.1 billion and fell to 1.7 billion.Please note how small the deficits were 50 years.ago.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Gee… Moda finally tries to cite a source. But without a URL we can’t really check it out, can we.

      So Moda, the URL is the address of a web page. Need lessons on how to cut and paste?

      As for revenues, it comes as no surprise you make the typically dishonest Orwellian argument that revenues that come from TAX HIKES, and there were TWO… one in 66 and another in 68, should be counted as revenues from a tax cut. Revenue numbers below.  

      • Modavations

        George Orwell……
               “England is the only great country whose intelligentsia are ashamed of their own nationality.They get their cuisine from Paris and their politics from Moscow”
              Please exchange the words “intelligentsia,with Progressives”.
         

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          So what the hell does that have to do with YOUR topic of JFK????

        • IfTheNameFits

          Edgar – Please tell us what your most ashamed about with what favorite nationality?

        • Anonymous

          They needed to get their cuisine from elsewhere. 

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Like your bogus claims about the tax cut revenues… using tax HIKE money and crediting it to tax cuts, you seem here to be conflating the “rising tide” comment to JFKs lowering of tax rates.

      And the deficit numbers mean NOTHING in this example. A budget has TWO variables… spending and revenue. Your right wing source is being sleazy claiming a reduced deficit implies more revenue from tax cuts when it could just as well mean reduced revenue but even more spending cuts.  

    • IfTheNameFits

      Edgar – Tell us what kind of rising sea lifts your boat.  Enquiring minds want to know?

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Moda’s unattributed quote is an old claim made by the Orwellain Right: “From 1962-1969 revenues increased 6.4%” You’ll find it at places like this GOP site http://www.house.gov/jec/growth/longterm/longterm.pdf 

      So Moda… since there were three tax HIKES between 66 and 69… how do you subtract that NEW tax hike revenue from the claimed new revenue from the LBJ tax cuts?

      Enquiring minds want to know… but they won’t hold their breath. They know you’ll evade the question yet go on to make the same baseless claims over and over again.

  • Modavations

    In 1980,49 countries had top marginal rates in excess of 40%,by the year 2000 only 3 countries(Cameroons,Begium,Congo)had rates over 40%.In 1980 ,only 6 countries had rates below 40%.In yr.2000,56 countries had rates below 40%.In yr.2000,Russia had rates at over 70%.In yr.2001 Putin switched to a flat tax at 13%.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      And how many of these nations engaged in massive borrowing to pay for these tax cuts?

      • GretchenMo

        Hopefully they cut spending, like we should.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Sure we should cut spending. But the Right has to deal with its own fiscal insanity and deal with the simple fact the Bush tax cuts passed while we were already 6 TRILLION in debt, and which sabotaged debt paydown, WERE FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.

          Instead people like yourself just assume these tax cuts must never be questioned and ALL the fiscal problems are caused by spending.

          Thanks for providing another example of a self-sabotaged intellect.  

          • Modavations

            I made more money every year since 1989.I made tons even sfter the “twin Towers” and my best year was 2004.Bush was a chump,but the debt was on a downward trajectory ,as he ran through his term(never elect a president that has not had, real world,business experience).Obama has a 40% approval rating as of today.If he doesn’t tension up,he will go down in history as the worst President ever.He will set the American Black back 50 years

          • TruthSquad

            moda you’re again spouting nonsense.

            bush never paid down a penny of debt.

    • IfTheNameFits

      Oh, Edgar you really now how to get someone going with all this talk of sextistics.  I wonder if there’s a source for all your off topic Tom Foolery?

  • Modavations

    Today, Mayor Villaregosa proposed dropping tax rates in L.A.,to entice private business to locate in his city.I think he realizes that tax rates influences economics.

    • IfTheNameFits

      Edgar – what do you use to entice private business into your sector?

  • Modavations

    Today, the country of Ultraxia raised rates from 33% to 70%….100% of the population, applied for exit visas.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Hey Einstein… YOU’RE the one who repeatedly posts you loved the “JFK” tax cut that brought the top rate down to 70%.  So if you approve of this rate LET’S BRING IT BACK!!!

      As for the “rising tide” quote, I await your retraction. But all I hear are crickets. Evidence in the Super Committee forum.

      • Modavations

        It’s the spending ,stupid.Normally I don’t personally call people names,however,it’s the spending stupid

        • Anonymous

          Showing your real colors. What a maroon.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Anyone who denys that REVENUE plays a role in a budget is the stupid one…. and that’s what you’re doing. You claimed only spending caused Reagan’s budget problems and denied his massive 1981 tax cut played any roll… then your dishonestly counted revenue from some Reagan tax HIKES in 82 and 83 to pretend that came from the tax cuts.

          But if you only get your info from Orwellian Right sites, you’re only going to get spin. And only a STUPID person would not resent being lied to.  

          • Modavations

            Do you suffer from ADHD.IT’S THE SPENDING STUPID

          • Modavations

            Orwell is the “right”.Orwellian Right is a redundancy

          • TruthSquad

            you mean everything the right says can’t be trusted?

            from the mouth of babes!

        • IfTheNameFits

          Dear Edgar, ‘stupid’ is no way to talk about two terms of conservative republican administration’s spending habits and lack of economic oversight under GWB. 

          Don’t you think George W. was dreamy – wasn’t he just the cutest go ol’ boy in that flight suit with that cod piece?

          • Modavations

            Where in the world have I ever said I condone Bush.My party is the Wolverines.We vote Perot

      • Modavations

        I taught Einstein,physics.During our last converstaion he said,”it’s the spending stupid”.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Einstein was my next door neighbor and he told me you were a liar. LOL

    • IfTheNameFits

      Edgar, I heard you applied for you own special back door exit visa.

  • Gregg

    Did anyone notice the smug poop-eating grin Scott Pelley had when he thought he was telling Newt something about the rule of law? It was at about :32 right before Newt schooled him.

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?article_id=39517

    • Anonymous

      Poop eating grin? Oh please. The GOP field is so awful that almost half of the base is not even sure who they would vote for due to the lack of any real strong candidate.

      • Gregg

        Check it out (:32), what would you call it?

  • Modavations

    If you goggle OWS Harvard, you can get the “Room Service (tent service)menu.In a real Orwelliann sense,the children of the 1%(more like .25 %),have a gated,protest site,where proper paperwork is needed for entry

    • IfTheNameFits

      Edgar, I thought you were going to provide your own special, supplemented, ‘Room Service’ menu for the Harvard OWS. 

      I’m sure you want to rub more than elbows with the young elitists there, so make sure you have a Harvard ID or you won’t get past campus security. 

  • david

    “MEDICAL ALERT”
    Smallpox outbreak in the USA???
    Must be!!!!!!
    Washington—Obama administration aggressively pushed a $433-million plan to buy an experimental smallpox drug, despite uncertainty over whether it is needed or will work.
    Why???? Is there a smallpox outbreak???
    Or, is there something else breaking out????

    Top Obama donor receives $443 Million No-Bid Pharmaceutical Contract for smallpox drug!

    “Senior officials have taken unusual steps to secure the contract for New York-based Siga Technologies Inc., whose controlling shareholder is billionaire Ronald O. Perelman, one of the world’s richest men and a longtime Democratic Party donor.”

    Maybe smallpox is politically back!

    • PartisanFairness

      Maybe, if you and your tea party brethren pray hard enough, the smallpox will spread to OWS folks and then you and foxspews can give shout outs to god because god doesn’t favor the protesters and big Dem contributors.

      • david

        Just relaying information to the hypnotised left!!

        • PartisanFairness

          From the possessed right.

    • ArnoldWalker

      i’d short the stock, barry’s got a terrible record when it comes to picking winners

  • david

    The left-wingers labeled the teaparty people as “Teabaggers” and they saw no harm in it, even when that conservative movement cried unfair.

    Well, while we are in the mood for labeling.

    The liberal movement of the OWS people, in fairness, from this time forward will be labeled as the “OCCUTARDS”

    All in fairness!

    • Anonymous

      Ahh the rantings of the regressive right.

      • david

        Ahh the response of the misguided left!

        • Dadavid

          The response of the misplaces right.

        • Anonymous

          Misguided. Well at least I’m not having to vote for a bunch of nutcases and a guy who flip flops more than a stack of pancakes. 

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    Since Gregg is evading this topic in a thread he started, I’ll start my own. Gregg actually denies any of GOP leaders impeaching Clinton were engaged in marital infidelity!!!!

    ulTRAX: ” But as it turns out so were most of the GOP leadership who were pushing for impeachment.”

    Gregg: Such blathering idiocy deserves no respect.ulTRAX: Your faux indignation is laughable, especially since you often claim to so well remember the era. Are you claiming impeachment leaders like Newt, Bob Barr, Henry Hyde, were perfect family values Republicans? Since I know you’re here 24/7 pretending the GOP has some monopoly on morality and good economic sense, here are some leads for what no doubt will be your future research! http://www.thedubyareport.com/node/473
    Gregg: Here are the latest numbers available on the price of tea in China.TruthSquad Today 01:07 PM in reply to Gregg greg again resorts to evasion. show more show less
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    Gregg Today 01:15 PM in reply to TruthSquad
    There’s nothing to evade. show more show less
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    TruthSquad Today 01:26 PM in reply to Gregg denying you are evasive when you clearly are is just more evasion.
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    Gregg Today 01:29 PM in reply to TruthSquad My thread (ulTRAX’s rules).

    • Gregg

      “Gregg actually denies any of GOP leaders impeaching Clinton were engaged in marital infidelity!!!!”

      Now you take that back right now junior. And I mean all 4 exclamation points. Where do you get this stuff?

      • Gregg

        And after you take it back, apologize for your dishonest bastardization of words I never said.

        • Beez

          This goes on inside my head, with words that I should have said, as I drown in my regrets, I can’t take back…the words…I never…said

          • Gregg

            Nice one Beez! I actually realized after I wrote that, the circular logic. It just seemed to fit the context so I left it.

            For the record, I never claimed what ulTRAX says I claimed. I have actually heard of Republican infidelity before. To say I deny it is a lie and a quote is conspicuously absent from the accusation despite pages of comments.

          • TruthSquad

            congrats greg, you’re capable of seeing the obvious: republicans can be nauseating hypocrites.

            that doesn’t change the fact you wrote what you wrote that any reasonable person would see as denying it. i think you owe trax an apology for your poor writing skills. 

          • Gregg

            What did I write? 

          • TruthSquad

            first you claimed you didn’t say what you wrote.

            now you’re not even sure what you wrote?

            why are you even posting here?

          • Gregg

            It’s all made up dude, that’s the point. Quote me or shut up.

          • TruthSquad

            the record is all here greg and none of your waltzing around your own words will change that.

          • Gregg

            It was said I claimed nary a Republican ever diddled, where did  I claim that? What record are you talking about? It’s dishonest.

          • TruthSquad

            greg, i can see why some here think you’re sleazy.

            consider yourself truth-squaded.

          • Gregg

            With no evidence you lie about what I wrote. Quote me.

          • TruthSquad

            more games? try taking some responsibility greg. your post dismissed
            what trax said and any reasonable person would see it as such.

            you’re trying to eek out a pathetic victory by pretending your words
            have some hidden meaning instead of just admitting any reasonable person
            would take your words as written.

        • TruthSquad

          technically you didn’t “say” anything.

          you wrote those words.

          you wouldn’t resort to that level of sleaze, would you?

          • Modavations

            I’ve run into legions of Democrat Rump Swabs,but Ultrax brings Rump Swabbary to new hieghts.Ultrax,pay attention.The Fed Budget is 50% waste,bloat and redundancy.It’s the Spending Stupid.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            That’s Gregie’s second defense.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Poor Greggy. The best defense he can muster is it’s OK for him to use the word “sleezebag” to refer to marital infidelity. But scumbag is a no-no.

          Gregg Yesterday 07:52 AM in reply to Fredlinskip I’m not ready to pronounce Cain a sleezebag yet. I have seen no credible evidence. The one “victim” has a credibility problem. I also realize the PC society we live in and the evolution of “sexual harassment”.

          • Gregg

            That is the lamest thing I’ve ever read. Are you really that stupid? I don’t care who you call scumbag. You went from saying MOST of the impeachment supporters were scumbags like Clinton to saying I   “ACTUALLY CLAIMED” none of the GOP impeachment leaders were unfaithful. You can’t think that honest. And now you come back at me with this BS! I prefer “Sleezeball” to Scumbag”? That’s psychotic. 

          • TruthSquad

            greg, greg, when you utterly dismiss someone’s statement
            saying “Such blathering idiocy deserves no respect.”

            then we ask what deserves no respect. and that brings us to what trax wrote
            “But as it turns out so were most of the GOP leadership who were pushing
            for impeachment.”

            protest mightily as you may, you do seem to be denying that trax wrote. why else
            even post what you did? 

          • Gregg

            Because the premise is stupid and irrelevant. The devil himself could have impeached Clinton, doesn’t matter. The entire post is blathering idiocy. That is not a “claim” that ZERO impeachment managers EVER diddled.

          • TruthSquad

            more games? try taking some responsibility greg. your post dismissed what trax said and any reasonable person would see it as such.

            you’re trying to eek out a pathetic victory by pretending your words have some hidden meaning instead of just admitting any reasonable person would take your words as written.   

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        So your newest form of evasion is an Orwellian denial of your own words written here in this forum… words anyone can see for themselves? Sure, it’s a pathetic diversion to get the topic off yourself.  

        • Gregg

          Alright ulTRAX, here’s the reply you don’t deserve. You couldn’t have missed my point more profoundly but let’s assume for a minute you got it.

          You wrote: “Clinton may very well have been a scumbag. But as it turns out so were
          most of the GOP leadership who were pushing for impeachment.”

          I accurately replied: Such blathering idiocy deserves no respect.”

          Then you leap: ” Are you claiming impeachment leaders like
          Newt, Bob Barr, Henry Hyde, were perfect family values
          Republicans?”

          What happened to “Scumbag”? “Most”?

          Finally you jump the shark: “Gregg actually denies
          any
          of GOP leaders impeaching Clinton were engaged in marital
          infidelity!!!!

          Now, you have said I am running from my words. Quote me denying anything. Or apologize.

          Now to my point. To excuse Clinton as a serial abuser of women and his crimes by citing infidelity of a few impeachment managers is sophistry. To reduce his crimes to a few bj’s is sexist and stupid. Paula Jones’ accusations were ruled to have merit. I think Susan Webb (a Clinton appointee) was the judge but I’m going by memory. That made Monica Lewinski’s testimony relevant. Ms. Jones had the right to present her case in a court of law and defend her name. It’s the cornerstone of our Democracy and you are dismissing it. This is leaving aside all the Madison S&L, Whitewater and Travel office travesties which were enough to drive poor Vince Foster to suicide. It’s all the stuff you usually hate.  Yet there you go with the platitudes. It’s blathering idiocy. I don’t care who is having an affair.

          BTW, I noticed you wrote another thread to me. I saw my name but scrolled on down. I may read it. or not.

          • Modavations

            The NOw girls said ofr Clinton,he’s entitled to one grope.But if he does it again……..Ten days after the Weener embroglio, NOW(Queens) explained their silence by saying,”he votes the right way”

        • Modavations

          George Orwell,
                  “England is the only great country whose intelligentsia are ashamed of their own nationality.They get their cuisine from Paris and their politics from Moscow”.
                   If George were around today and living in Boston,he’d say replace the word “intelligentsia,with Progressive”.

  • Anonymous

     The uninspired choices that all Americans have for the elections of 2012.
    On the right we have the three front runners. Herman Cain who will no doubt be history by the end of the month or so. But I digress, here is a man who did not even know that China has nuclear weapons. His answer to most subjects is 999. Then we have Rick Perry the man who can’t even remember what government agencies he wants to cut. Then we have Mitt Romney, who seems like the most stable of the bunch, but who is pretty much disliked by over half the GOP. Finally we have Newt Gingrich. Enough said.  On the democrat side we have President Obama who is also not inspiring much in the way of leadership. He has spent most of his presidency trying to placate the regressive right and he’s failed on ever attempt.

    Then there are our legislators who now have the distinction of having the lowest approval rating in modern history. The corruption and BS that is passing for governance in this nation is disgusting. The GOP is the party of crazies, but the Democrats are the party of spineless do nothings who seem scared of their own shadow. It seems all a tea party member of congress has to do these days is say boo and they flinch. Pretty pathetic in my view. I guess George Carlin was right, the owners of this nation will never relinquish control.

    • Gregg

      Shallow analysis.

      • Anonymous

        For shallow people like yourself and your lame party.

        • Gregg

          I think one needs to do more then utter the name Newt Gingrich to consider it analysis at all… for starters. Commenter Rob had a much better breakdown. It’s just my opinion.

          • Anonymous

            Oh so you want me to unpack Newt Gingrich?
            Your kidding right. In case your not here’s a few of my reflections on this wacko. He’s smarter than most of the other GOP lineup but that’s not saying much.
            Gingrich has been saying the wackiest things for over a year now on all the Sunday news rags.
            All one has to do is look him up on You Tube to get the idea of his absurd nonsense.
            He’s enough personal baggage to fill Air-Force One a few times over. Shall I go on about this loony toon?

          • Gregg

            No, don’t knock yourself out. Stay shallow.

      • TruthSquad

        as opposed to your worthless analysis?

      • Greggless

        Hollow reply from a shallow critique.

  • TJ

    Calling it “Herman Cain’s sex scandal” is an example of liberal media bias.  To begin with, there has been no allegation of sex.  Secondly, we have two white women, an accuser and her attorney, who allege Cain acted inappropriately, BUT HAVE PRODUCED NO EVIDENCE.  No sex, no evidence, no sex scandal.  But perhaps a high-tech lynching.

    • Beez

      I don’t know about the liberal media bias; if anything I would put any “conspiracy” in the hands of the right to discredit him as a candidate. I think it’s just the oversensationalized news cycle in general that is to blame. While I think he is in no way qualified to be president, it would be something if the two candidates were both black men.
      From what I’ve heard, sounds to me like he did what used to be called “making a pass” at these women. Doesn’t sound like anything criminal or immoral- other then the minor fact he was married- but his responses have been inconsistent and evasive. To say you don’t recall is unauthentic, especially when I heard him recall with vivid detail working at Burger King as a young man.

      • Modavations

        Excuse me,excuse me sir.Ms.Bielat lives in the same Bldg.as Mr Axelrod

        • IfTheNameFits

          Edgar, you live in the state of denial. When are you going to realize it.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          And you live in the same area where there are plenty of great colleges and  universities. Obviously that doesn’t make you literate, knowledgeable or intelligent.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t blame the liberals for this.  Why would we want to derail his candidacy when he would have been an easy candidate to beat in the general election.  Obviously one of his rivals for the Republican nomination is behind bringing this issue to the media’s attention. 

      • Gregg

        That’s a very good point, however the double standard is apparent. Compare this to the media cover up of John Edward’s crime. The hate for a black Conservative is reminiscent of Clarance Thomas.

        • Greggless

          Double standard is to Gregg as cover-up is to criminal behavior.

      • Modavations

        Excuse me,excuse me sir.Ms.Bielat lives in the same bldg.as Mr Axelrod.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          And you live in the same area where there are plenty of great colleges and  universities. Obviously that doesn’t make you literate, knowledgeable or intelligent.

          • Modavations

            Newton North to Boston College.And that’s before the “great dumb down”.

          • TruthSquad

            newton north to boston college to 1 semester drop out.

            got it!

          • Modavations

            And I went before the “Great Dumb down”.I knew more leaving high school,then today’s college grads.I’m international and have been everywhere,a million times.I speak all the Latin Derivitive languages.By the way,try getting into BC…….

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Moda, you’re the epitome of a great dumb down

  • GretchenMo

    The lesson from Italy is austerity, hopefully we learn it! 

    • HOBo

      That simple is it?  It has nothing to do with corruption and the insane cost of doing business.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      And how do you intend to teach austerity to a spoiled rotten, Free Lunch, generation that spent $13.5 TRILLION on itself the past 30 years and REFUSED TO PAY FOR IT???  

      The idea repeatedly floated here by the Right is that austerity should ONLY include spending cuts. It’s laughable as a fiscal approach to deficit/debt… and it’s blatantly immoral.   Spending cuts alone without reversing the irresponsible Bush tax cuts only sets in cement the theft of that $13.5 trillion from our kids and grandkids. They have no vote in the matter.

      It’s revealing that a Progressive such as myself, wants our generation to take responsibility and pay for OUR bills… and the so-called conservatives here are so morally bankrupt they refuse to see the obvious moral hazard. If any generation can steal with impunity from future taxpayers, what’s to stop them?
       

       

      • Modavations

        These guys have no intention of cutting anything.They use the goodies to buy votes.Let the sequesters begin.By the way,they arn’t cutting sh-t.They are merely slowing,the built in,automatic growth.They need to cut 9 trillion,not 4..By the way,there’s nothing progressive, about a progressive.

        • IfTheNameFits

          Oh, Edgar what will it take before you sequester your own goodies?

    • Retchmore

      What a surprise – towing the Central Bankster line.  Hopefully, folks here will learn the lesson to disregard your disinformation attempts.

      • Parasitesdontlisten

        Central bankers are part of the problem, no doubt, but they don’t force governments to overspend.  Listen up!

        • ParasiteBankster

          You know nothing.

          Who do think recommended that the governments of these countries buy these swaps and derivatives?

          If not their Central Banksters, than it was their primary dealers such as the banksters: Goldman, Morgan and Citi, et al. 

          Your argument is like saying, no one forced the now bankrupted and homeless people to sign on to those bad mortgages all the lenders were pushing during the real estate bubble.

          • Youretheparasite

            Name one swap or derivative that is hurting these countries.  It’s the debt side not the asset side of their balance sheet that’s killing them.  No one’s impressed by your use of terms you don’t understand. 

          • Modavations

            Do you really think this kid would know what a swap,or derivative, is.These guys get their news from Move ON and Mr.Maddow.

          • Anonymous

            OK Mr. Brain tell me what a default swap and a derivative is and how they were used as well as how they brought down the likes of Lehman Brothers and almost were the failure of Morgan Stanley.

            I know some pretty smart people who work for investment banks who don’t really know how these things work because they are pretty complicated. And yet you, a person how has shown very little intellectual curiosity let alone ability is making comments such as this? Please.

          • Modavations

            Insurance policies.

          • Anonymous

            You mean like AIG. You really are a complete fool and have not read one article on this subject. You know it’s a good idea to at least have some understanding of the topic before you make a comment.
            Oh I forgot, it’s all Barney Franks fault.

          • Youretheparasite

            Yeah, I’m sure it confuses the guy in the mailroom, but surely the buyers understood what they were buying, right, I mean that’s their responsibility. 

          • Anonymous

            Actually they did not and that was one of the problems with a lot of derivatives and default swaps. People were not sure exactly what they were buying. What brought down companies such as Lehman Brothers was having way to much of these toxic assets that they thought were AAA but they were junk. That’s part of it anyway.

          • DeModivations

            You’re so easy to refute it’s only worth the fun.

          • Anonymous

            I guess you were not paying attention to the whole derivative debacle. Here’s just one of many stories of how these banksters wall street frauds used derivatives to make huge profits for themselves and to screw everyone else. I read about plenty of articles similar to this one on derivatives. I also know someone who works for Morgan Stanley who mentioned how derivatives were way to risky and that to much capital was tied up these highly risky things. This comment was made in 2006.

            http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0d29fbdc-2aef-11df-886b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1diPREPE9

          • Youretheparasite

            I guess you weren’t paying attention to the thread. 

          • Anonymous

            Just what the world needs another misguided ideologue who does not know the difference between ideology and facts. 

            Did you read the Financial Times article? If not then you don’t what your talking about and if you did you have issues with comprehension.

          • TruthSquad

            gretch honey, is that you?

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Do the central banks force government to pass irresponsible tax cuts while we’re SIX TRILLION in debt?

          • Modavations

            Janet Reno threatened the Boston and DC banks with litigation.What bank,without a gun to it’s head,would make an uncollateralized loan to a guy with no where withall.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            PROVE IT!!!!

          • Modavations

            But don’t you understand,if we  measure from Oct.1962,as opposed to June 1962….Blah,Blah,Blah,it’s all Bush’s fault.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Who said anything about June or Oct of 62? Before 1976 the fiscal year began on July 1. It’s not even a factor if all we’re looking at is 62-96.

            I’d ask you to make sense, but I know that’s not going to happen.  

          • Youretheparasite

            The question says so much about how little you know.  Thanks.

      • Modavations

        Mayor Bloomberg said the meltdown was caused bt J.Carters CRA,Janet Reno’s intimidation of the Boston and D.C. banks to make uncollateralized loans,Freddie,Fannie and the insufferable Barney Frank.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Have a source? Oh, that’s right. You don’t know what a URL is.

          • Modavations

            I found it,you’ll find it

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            It’s not my job to make YOUR case. It’s YOUR job.

            Are there any intelligent right wingers out there?

            Didn’t think so!

          • Gregg

            I am continually amazed at how uninformed liberals are. 

          • Greggless

            Uninformed and amazed – all in the same Gregg sentence?

            A surprise? 

            Not so much for Gregg.

          • Gregg

            Don’t you think it odd to see ulTRAX demanding proof for what any informed citizen already ought to know?

          • ModasNotHonest

            Why should anyone trust Moda’s or your claims without being able to verify them?  Are you that desperate for an ally you’ll jump to the defense of the forum crackpot? Are you that desperate for an ally you’ll defend non-intelligent discussion?

        • IfTheNameFits

          Edgar – You’re quite the fan boy of that billionaire troll protecting his bankster friends, since you keep mentioning him.  But then again, we always knew you made the perfect submissive for the elite.

          • Modavations

            I mention it, because he said it last week and I consider him honest and extremely knowledgeable.How do you think he made the billions.He is not a Jay Rockefeller(?)trust fund baby.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          You’re making the same error in logic all the Orwellian Right wingers make when they are desperate to get the blame off Bush.

          If there were unwise policies during the Clinton years, THEN BUSH HAD SEVEN YEARS TO CORRECT THEM BEFORE THE CRASH. In you mind Moda, such as it is, the GOP is eternally blameless and the buck always stops on a Democrat’s desk.

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    TruthSquad Yesterday 09:42 PM in reply to Gregg evasion by any other name.

    hey trax has it really been 6 months greg has refused to deal with shrub’s budget busting policies?
    Yes, since I’ve first started debating Gregggggg last spring, Gregg REFUSES to deal with the simple fact that the Bush and Democratic tax cut proposals from 2000, we made to reduce the Clinton Surplus. Both proposals were irresponsible but Bush’s tax cuts was close to 3x that of the Dems. Bush ran on paying down debt as his first priority. One might have thought that both parties would have waited until a big chunk of the debt was paid down… after all by election 2000 the debt was about 5.6 trillion. They could have waited to see if the long economic boom would fizz out. Nope. Now we don’t know what Gore would have done in 2001 as the economy slowed and surplus vanished. But we do know that Bush broke his word to pay down debt… and instead pushed through SIX rounds of tax cuts even as the on budget surplus, 86 billion in 2000 turned into a -568 billion deficit in 04… a whopping  -672 billion turnaround.  That the Right refuses to deal with Bush’s fiscal insanity is scandalous. The Right has been sabotaging the collective IQ of the nation by claiming the lack of revenue plays no role in our problems even if in constant dollars revenues have only broken Clinton’s last year for 2 of 10 years. It’s all spending, they claim. And if that’s their position, then all the data, broken promises to pay down debt, unfairness of the tax code, appeals that we NOT dump the bill for our irresponsibility on our kids… NOTHING will penetrate that Orwellian Right premise than revenues don’t matter. Why does the Right even take this position? It’s because they believe massive debt… and any resulting fiscal crisis, works to their political benefit. Tax cuts for the rich brings home the bacon to their main constituency, and resulting deficits/debt puts pressure on Democratic safety net programs the Right has always loathed. Right knows they could never run against those programs and win elections. But increasing deficits/debt might convince some to weaken or abolish these programs. THIS IS THEIR MOMENT! They feel they have the fiscal crisis they’ve spent years hoping for. To compromise on new revenues now would destroy all their hard work. But they can never admit their true goals to their followers, so they instead they’ve convinced them to ignore all the evidence that we need more revenue, and they’ve convinced them only spending is the problem. As we see here every day, as psychotic as that Orwellian reasoning is, it’s worked.

    • Modavations

      Dude,who’s going to read that rant.It’s always the same tired stuff.Well you understand his #’s start in Oct.1962,but if you start at June 1962 it proves Bush did it.Again,I don’t personally call people names,but it’s the spending stupid.Now pay attention and repeat.It’s the spending stupid

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        I already posted 1962 revenues. But since your attention span is so short you can’t read past the first line, reposting them won’t do any good either. Here they are again for those who CARE what the numbers are and want to know facts so they can engage in intelligent discussion:

        So Einstein, I ask AGAIN, how do YOU separate the purported new revenue from the JJK/LBJ tax cut from all the new revenue from THREE TAX HIKES? That expected increased revenue is shown before the name of each tax bill.

        According to the Historical Budget Tables revenue in

        1962 = 99.7   billion

        1963 = 106.5 

        1964 = 112.6    -11.5 billion Revenue Act of 1964

        1965 = 116.8   

        1966 = 130.8    +5 billion Tax Adjustment Act of 1966

        1967 = 148.8  

        1968 = 152.9   +16 billion Revenue and Expenditure Control Act

        1969 = 186.8 

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Sorry, the third tax bill was the Tax Reform Act of 1969 expected to bring in 3.8 billion the first year.   

        • Modavations

          Ya,but you don’t understand,if you start in June 1962,add 7 and divide by 6,it is irrefutably Bush’s fault.Everyone in the world, knows this was caused by govt.By Fannie and Freddie.An idealogue can’t see the truth,two inches from his nose.

          • TruthSquad

            are you always this insane? what are you even babbling about?

            trax asked you a simple question. how about a simple answer!

          • LinklessAttackThus

            J.Edgar Modavations, et al., can’t speak to truth only spews disdain when faced with it.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            I’ve debated plenty of braindead dittoheads the past 20 years or so. They all exhibit classic self-sabotaged intellects. But only a choice few go beyond… are convinced their idiocy was handed down on a slab.  

          • Modavations

            I’m saying the guy is manipulating figures ,to suit his rant.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Gee, I posted all the sources I use. You post NOTHING EVER… and tell people to find it on their own.Yet in your dementia, I’m manipulating the numbers?  Fine Einstein… PROVE IT!!! Show me what numbers I’m manipulating. The only one manipulating the numbers are the Orwellian Right sources YOU use who dishonestly claim tax HIKE revenues are part of some tax cut revenue feedback… or who claim the deficit went way down in 69 without mentioning it was about 50X the year before the 1968 tax hike.

          • .Gregg

             Nah, ulTrax would never do that.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            And you have proof I did?

            Of course not. Like with all your other Orwellian Right claims, you imply more than you can ever prove.

          • ModasNotHonest

            The conservatives here are batting 1000. Two perfect examples in a row of unsubstantiated claims that there’s something wrong with your numbers, yet not one effort to prove it. These jokers have my head spinning.

          • TruthSquad

            trax’s numbers are from the cbo.

            your numbers are from where?

          • DoofusAmongus

            Irrefutably avoiding the obvious conclusion is what a doofus does:

            Those corporate banksters are so angelic to let all of the people cover their bad bets. 

            Mean ol’ Fannie and Freddie forced all those banksters to make all of those ‘liar loans’.

            Everyone in the world knows that.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Quick note, I should not be using unified receipts since it includes off-budget revenues. 

          The reason the Orwellian Right wants to use 1969 data is because they know 1968 deficits would demolish their case the LBJ tax cuts produced so much revenue it slashed the deficit. As I’ve noted before, the Orwellian Right loves to count revenue from tax hikes and credit it to tax cuts. Believe it or not, this is the sort of garbage research is that’s guiding the Right’s fiscal policies. 

          Just looking at the on-budget deficit for 1968 it’s $27.7 Billion. It drops to 507 Million in 1969. Clearly the turnaround is from the 1968 and 1969 tax hikes.
           

  • Modavations

    Ultrax,please pay attention.Harvard OWS is located in a gated site.No one without papers(do they remember the aparthied demonstrations)can enter.(I hope Skippy Gates” key works.I’d hate to see him get lugged again).These are the very children of the despised 1%..Now that,my friend,truly is Orwellian

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      How many times are you going to post that? Are you OCD or just out to see your name on the board?

    • IfTheNameFits

      Oh, Edgar – You keep bringing up those Harvard students, I guess you’re kind of jealous of their elitist status. 

      Don’t be, just because you went to a second or third-tier college doesn’t mean you can’t ‘bite the hand that feeds you’. 

      Tell you what, just go figure out what you want to bite first and you can join in the protests.

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    The finger pointing for the 2008 economic crash so far seems to be an exercise in false choices. Liberal blame the GOP. Rightists blame government and ignore the role the private sector played. There are any number of additional permutations of blame.

    I’ve repeatedly said here that when it comes to the crash, it was right wing ideas that did us in and are impeding the recovery. These ideas cross parties. Clinton adopted many of them such as free trade and deregulation. But that does NOT mean these were traditionally liberal ideas. It’s not a GOP vs Democratic problem, it’s a right vs left problem

    And despite how many polls ask this question, the finger pointing at either the government or Wall Street is another such false choice. If government relaxes regulations, government isn’t forcing the private sector to behave irresponsibly. Even if free from ALL regulations, a responsible bank would NOT take unnecessary risks.

    The issue here is that Wall Street and it’s minions in government like Phil Gramm, Greenspan, Robert Rubin, etc pushed to give arguably irresponsible banks what they always wanted. To blame “government” is to admit the private sector can’t control its worst urges to self-destruct and bring the economy down. What’s to blame here is an ideology which trusted the private sector to be self-correcting. That ideology is neither inherent in the private sector or government.

    Again, it’s not a choice between government vs Wall Street. It’s a right vs left issue. It’s those RIGHT wing ideas in both parties and in both the public and private sector that are doing us in and all of the false choices above not only let the Right escape taking responsibility for 2008 and doing it again, but only prevent us from finding a real economic fix even if the Democrats win big in 2012. 

  • Modavations

    Please,please.please go read Reckless Endangerment and pay attention to the parts about Barney Frank and Maxine Waters.To quote Mayor Bloomberg,it was Fannie and Freddie.To quote “Moda”,govt.,as usual,is the problem,not the solution

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Hey Einstein, I ALREADY POSTED SECTIONS OF THAT BOOK THAT SHOWED IT WAS THE GOP THAT SABOTAGED NEW OVERSIGHT FOR FANNIE. Barney Frank had no power in a GOP House to stop much of anything. Perhaps YOU should finally read the book you’re pretending backs up your claim. Oh, that’s right… it was too long and you didn’t bother reading past the first line.

      • Modavations

        You have no credibility.Me and Mayor Bloomberg point our fingers squarely at Fannie-Freddie.Rep.Frank went so far as to deflect attention, from Ms Waters’husbands’,phoney baloney, Boston Bank.

        • IfTheNameFits

          Oh Edgar, you are the king of incredulous credibility around here.

          With your reputation, no one could ever sit on your thrown. 

          Except, maybe Gregg, he would have to sit on your lap instead.

          I bet you would like that since you would never give up your throne.

          • Gregg

            You are a weird unit.

          • SirLaughsAlot

            Ah, Gregg,  a weird unit is what you engage in as a roustabout for your Lord Edgar who you thee praise and whose cockles of his heart you thee do warm.

          • Gregg

            “Critical Thinking – Logic, Rhetoric and Grammar – there is your moderator.”  

          • GregsNotHonest

            Greg, you do realize you fail in those first two areas. But then illogical thinkers aren’t usually aware they are illogical

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Moda, you’re an intellectual lowlife. YOU recommend a book which I read, and it doesn’t support your position, or is it your obsession, that Barney Frank magically blocked Bush reforms. Yes he was ONE person who tried, but it was REPUBLICANS who had the power to stop those reforms. I POSTED the excerpts a few weeks ago. And why did Bush back off? If he wanted these reforms like he wanted to invade Iraq, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEM THROUGH A GOP HOUSE.

          So you accuse me having no credibility when it’s clear you don’t even know what’s in the book you recommended. You then run from your own book and try some lame diversion.

        • ModasNotHonest

          Moda, you’re running away from your own book. This is why it’s easy to write you off as making no sense.

    • IfTheNameFits

      Please, please, please Edgar, keep begging. 

      Maybe if you wished harder it will all come true and you’ll wake up one day in a Fannie and Freddie fairy costume.

  • Modavations

    To quote Herr Carville,”IT’s THE SPENDING STUPID”.To quote Moda,”no matter what the revenues,the govt.will spend it and spend some more”.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Perhaps you meant, no matter what the debt, the Tax Cut Psychos will always want to slash revenues!

      • Youretheparasite

        Only a psycho would favor continuing to fund these parasites and their waste.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Pray tell Brainiac… just how well has the Tax Cut strategy worked? Clinton proved that a modest tax hike AND spending cuts along with sustained growth could produce a surplus. But the GOP threw it all away, sabotaged the possibility of paying down debt, and added 5 Trillion more in debt… and for what????  During the Bush years alone, some 2.9 TRILLION was pissed away just on interest. And you’re claiming there’s some other waste of money BIGGER than interest than buys us NOTHING?

          You’re problem is you have a half-baked “solution” spoon fed you by the GOP. But the debt EXISTS. Drastic cuts in spending might get us to an annual budget surplus. But then what? Are the tax Cut Psychos going to AGAIN sabotage that surplus as they did in 2001?

          Get your head out of your rear end. What are you hard numbers, your deficit reduction and debt paydown schedule? How are you going to control the loonies on YOUR side that will AGAIN sabotage debt paydown?

        • Anonymous

          It takes a parasite to know one.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          I should have added, of COURSE no one favors government waste except, of course, parasites.

          Realizing that the Right wants to sabotage the fiscal health of government then pretending spending cuts are only to prevent waste isn’t favoring waste. It’s simply a recognition that the Right needs this budget crisis to undermine the programs they pretend they want to protect.  

      • Modavations

        In all seriousness lad,if you knew there was 50% waste and or fraud,would you leave the budget intact?If there is massive fraud and waste,why would you want even more revenue.An example you ask.Try Medicare…

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          You’re pulling a number from where the rest of your “facts” come from… your own dementia. When you have something intelligent to say… please come back. 

    • Youretheparasite

      I’ll give Ultratax one thing, these guys can spend stuff they don’t even have; so in addition to cutting spending hugely, we need a balanced budget amendment and an automatically declining debt ceiling with no wiggleroom. 

      • Anonymous

         You seem to know bupkus about how national economies work.
        If the US had this kind of system in place in 1941 we would have lost the war.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        More of your psychotic interpretations of the real world? I seem to be the defict hard liner here. You just pretend to be.

      • ArnoldWalker

        Sounds like a good start that all parties can get behind.  It seems like Congress only acts when they have no other option, let’s not even give them the option of acting. Nice.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        The balanced budget amendment would just set in cement the GOP’s fiscal insanity… which is why they want it.
         
        With a simple majority they could pass any irresponsible tax cut they wanted then demand spending cuts to be in compliance. They could dismantle every Democratic program while keeping theirs intact.
         
        To repair the vandalism to government, it would take a 2/3 majority in both houses. 

    • IfTheNameFits

      Oh, Edgar that’s not a quote, that’s a paraphrase. 

      And you’re quoting yourself and repeating yourself all over the place, lately. 

      I think you might be somewhat disturbed and wonder if you are having trouble cleaning up after yourself. 

      Maybe it’s because you been unsuccessful while riding around looking for hungry child with your $100 offer?

  • ProtectingParasiteBankers

    Bloomberg Lies:

    Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren’t true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

    Federal Reserve Board data show that:
     
     - More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

     - Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.
     
     - Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that’s being lambasted by conservative critics

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html

  • ProtectingParasiteBankers

    Bloomberg Lies:

    The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) is not to blame for the Mortgage Meltdown:

    - CRA was effective long before the subprime market existed.
     
    - Most subprime lenders weren’t covered under CRA.
     
    - Wall Street created the demand for riskier loans.
     
    - Regulatory oversight and accountability was missing.
     
    - The majority of subprime loans went to white borrowers.

    http://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/policy-legislation/congress/cra-not-to-blame-for-crisis.pdf
     

    • Modavations

      What bank ,in their right mind, would give an uncollateralized loan, to a person without where withall.Answer….A bank with Janet Reno’s gun to it’s head

      • DoofusAmongus

        Irrefutably avoiding the obvious conclusion is what a doofus does:

        doofus: a stupid incompetent person

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Enough with the empty assertions Einstein… let’s see the proof from a credible source. Oops, sorry. You don’t know what credible means.

      • DeModavations

        That’s your reply? 

        You and Gregg belong at the same bar commiserating:

        Sir SotsALot.

        • Gregg

          We wouldn’t be commiserating, we’d be yucking it up and livin’ hard.

  • ProtectingParasiteBankers

    Bloomberg Lies:

    Janet Yellen, president of the San Francisco Federal Reserve, offers the killer statistic:

    Independent mortgage companies, which are not covered by CRA, made high-priced loans at more than twice the rate of the banks and thrifts…

    Yellen is hardly alone in concluding that the real problems came from the institutions beyond the reach of CRA. One of the only regulators who long ago saw the current crisis coming was the late Ned Gramlich, a former Fed governor.

    While Alan Greenspan was cheering the sub-prime boom, Gramlich warned of its risks and unsuccessfully pushed for greater supervision of bank affiliates…

    That’s because CRA didn’t bring about the reckless lending at the heart of the crisis. Just as sub-prime lending was exploding, CRA was losing force and relevance.

    And the worst offenders, the independent mortgage companies, were never subject to CRA — or any federal regulator.

    Law didn’t make them lend. The profit motive did.

    http://prospect.org/article/did-liberals-cause-sub-prime-crisis

    • Modavations

      Dear Boy,it unraveled when Janet Reno,put a gun to the Boston Banks’head.Barney Frank,by the way,after a nation wide search,got his boy friend,Mr.Moses,a job at Fannie,.To any one interested,read Reckless Endangerment.I’ll bet the author has a body guard

      • DoofusAmongus

        Irrefutably avoiding the obvious conclusion is what a doofus does:

        doofus: a person who is stupid or inept; — used contemptuously.

      • Anonymous

        At least make an effort. You just seem to copy and paste your own comments. You and Herman Cain have a lot in common, not a clue about one damn thing.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        You’re making the same error in logic all the Orwellian Right wingers make when they are desperate to get the blame off Bush. If there were unwise policies during the Clinton years, THEN BUSH HAD SEVEN YEARS TO CORRECT THEM BEFORE THE CRASH. In you mind Moda, such as it is, the GOP is eternally blameless and the buck always stops on a Democrat’s desk.  

      • DeModavations

        I don’t need run rings around you.  You do so well yourself.

        Your obliviousness to thinking critically is astounding.

        Your lack of regard for human dignity is the mirror. 

  • Modavations

    Putting aside the fact,that Fannie Freddie,were political Patronage palaces,led by Herr Johnsonb who was Mondales,boy.The real culprit was Bush’s Treasury.They reversed Reagan/Clinton strong dollar policies.Housing is an inflation hedge and like gold,took right off.Johnson,Frank Raines and Jamie Gorelick took 100million in commisions from Fannie.Barney Frank,when quiered whether poor guys could afford these mortgages,said,”We’ll worry about that if it happens”.By the way,Newt and Zoellick(?)were also minor players

    • SirLaughsAlot

      In your fallibility of economic reasoning, which was proved below by several sorces, how is ‘housing an inflation hedge’?

      You acquiesce to your insolence rather than provide reasoning for your argument.

      You behave in a manner of a royal douche bag.

      What say you dear Edgar?

      • Modavations

        As the dollar weakens,everything goes up.

        • ModasNotHonest

          imports do, not domestic products. and our exports are cheaper.

          moda, you’re not being honest. 

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    Maybe there is a need for a real moderator in here. This place is degenerating into a food fight. I’m not innocent in this regard. I have not tolerance for idiots… left or right.
     
    All I can say is the previous attempts at moderation were too heavy handed. Perhaps WBUR can try again.

    • fredlinskip

      There was a time when most of Moda’s comments on this page were somewhat ignored –
      that seemed to be a useful strategy as far as maintaining a more respectful, constructive, and informative conversation.

      • Gregg

        Fredlinskip, I’ve lamented before how nice you used to be. Recently your post have gotten mean and ad hominem. Modavations is not that. I really don’t see where you have a leg to stand on.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Perhaps, Greg, if you WERE here for the honest and intelligent discussion you CLAIMED you were seeking, you might get more respect. But it’s clear you’re only here to spew Right wing talking points and all the evidence in the world they may be wrong doesn’t phase you.

          If you want respect then it’s time YOU respected facts and when necessary concede a point when you’re clearly wrong. When you lack such basic intellectual integrity, don’t expect respect. At that point YOU are so intertwined with your argument they become inseperable.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Obviously Greg, either you’re being dishonest or haven’t read some of Moda’s posts where in one he’s protesting against name calling then in the next is doing exactly that. Sometimes I wonder if he’s a schizophrenic. I say that NOT as an insult but as one who once was admin for MH programs.
           
          Please stop pretending you’re some saint. You’ve engaged in your share on insults, and as I’ve said your refusal to engage in intelligent discussion which by DEFINITION means bowing to the facts instead of always trying to bend them, is an insult to the readers of this board. Perhaps you got lost on the way to the Freeper board.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Oops, sorry. I essentially reposted what I already wrote.

        • Fredlinskip

          Maybe your right, Gregg.
           
          On the other hand, Moda’s endless stream-of-consciousness comments that seem unencumbered by thought or reason seem to get to be a little much at times. 

          Thats In My (lately a bit tired and grumpy) opinion.

          I get a bit grumpy because:
           1) I’ve been working a lot lately and 
          2)I care deeply and am deeply concerned about my country.

          • Gregg

            Again, I appreciate that and I do the same. It shouldn’t get personal, passionate yes.

          • Modavations

            General G,leader of the liberated middle states,I think Peace is breaking out allover.

    • Gregg

      “I’m not innocent in this regard” is the understatement of the century. Who else is as condescending (Brainiac, Einstein, “How Goddamn noble”, etc.) or sexist (Fluffy, Cupcake, etc.)? Certainly not Modavations. Who else turns a non-answer to a stupid question into a claim of denial? Not me. Who else dominates every discussion with elitist entitlement? Who else keeps a file on me? Who else?

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Poor Greggy boy, his head inflated with self-importance to think someone bothers to archive his Orwellian dribble.

        I don’t keep a file on you. I keep a file on my discussions because I don’t trust this site not to start deleting posts again.

      • SirLaughsAlot

        It is I, Greggless, your nemisis. You paranoid sot.

        • Gregg

          You’re not important enough to be my nemesis and I don’t care what names you call me as you bemoan trolls and asinine commenters.

    • SirLaughsAlot

      Critical Thinking – Logic, Rhetoric and Grammar – there is your moderator. 

      Ignoring the asinine commentators fails to prevail over the propaganda of their regurgitated sources of ignorance.

      Your mission is to inform the latent listeners and readers of this comment board, who want to learn and understand more than the sometimes whitewashed NPR-side of the story.

      This site is being trolled for a purpose.  Bullies and barbarians deserve no respect. 

      They must be fought by forceful reasoning and battled by any means necessary.

      Look at the letters, writings and publications of our country’s forefathers – they were not always gentlemanly nor void of derision.

      You suggest wimping out and placating your duty as patriots?

      If you change one mind, if you adopt one cohort, if you influence one decision… how important then are your arguments and attempts?

      Your words are your arms.  I strongly suggest you renew your vitality with vim and vigor.

      Or else, the fascist, totalitarian huns knocking on your door have already won.

      What say you, oh noble purveyors of truth and reasoning?

      Are you with me?

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Forum wars are a waste of time and it’s a delusion to believe otherwise. Been there, done that.

        • SirLaughsAlot

          Then tell me what have you been doing for all these many passages?

          Wasting your time and efforts? 

          That would make you a libtard, would it not?

          Lay down your words and swords?  Me thinks not.

          Go ahead and give up the righteous good fight, Sir ulTRAX. 

          You should sleep thee very well with the knowledge of your opposition’s skulduggery 
           

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            It’s not a waste of time if I learn something. But on the cosmic scale, no forum is that important to fight over. And this isn’t even a decent forum. It’s blog board with 10 new boards a week. It’s one thing to have one conversation in a real forum. It’s another to keep having the same discussion over and over on a blog board.  

          • SirLaughsAlot

            It only the same discussion if you let it be. 

            That’s why the trolls have the cut and paste advantage. 

            Your reply means nothing.  Your logic means nothing. 

            Let the reader decide who wins the battle. 

            You try to win the war:

            When the people of the world all know beauty as beauty,
            There arises the recognition of ugliness.
            When they all know the good as good,
            There arises the recognition of evil.

            Lao-Tzu

  • ArnoldWalker

    Delousing of the fleabagger North Face village has begun, poor lice.

  • Modavations

    Sir Laughs alot:
             That’s what your post did,it made me laugh alot.Check the first ten posts and look at how many names have been called.Ultrax does keep files.He told me he knows who I am and where I live.I told him if you ever contact me,I’ll call the cops.He then said,he kept track of me, because I’d mentioned I had $5000.00 in my basement and he was looking out for me.Jeffee68 ,told AC to go die of cancer.I told him at the time,that this was one of the cruelest things I’d ever heard and would look out for her..He denied it happened,but it did.Now I have no animous to a legitimate Lefty,but I do hate a bully.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      If you can’t make a point without lies and gross distortions Moda, you haven’t made a point.

      I told you you were an idiot for using what appears to be a business name in a public forum, and that it was even MORE idiotic to mention here you kept large sums of money in your basement.

      Obviously, no good deed goes unpunished.

      No, I’m not going to play the game of who insulted who more. Your posting here is already enough of an insult to readers intelligence.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Moda claimed: “Ultrax does keep files.He told me he knows who I am and where I live.I told him if you ever contact me,I’ll call the cops.”

      The record of posts so far shows I NEVER said I really knew who he was, or where he lived, and that he never said he’d call the cops.

      Yet Moda comes here pretending he never lies.

  • Youretheparasite

    It’s clear what this week’s news was all about, and next week’s too with the Nov 23 deadline approaching.  Time to cut government spending so at a minimum we get to a balanced budget, but really we’ve got to pay down the debt.  The sooner the better given the recession that’s coming.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Typical ignorant right wing claim… that the deficit can be eliminated by spending cuts alone, then we’ll go on to pay down debt. Yet when we had such a surplus back in 2001, the GOP sabotaged debt paydown with SIX ROUNDS of tax cuts. Let me guess, THAT surplus didn’t count because it was largely arrived at through the 1993 Clinton’s tax HIKE. The Right is just looking for a “morally superior” surplus arrived at through spending cuts alone? Can anyone please explain this right wing dementia? Anyone who thinks the Right can be trusted not to AGAIN sabotage debt paydown is naïve beyond belief. They obviously foolishly buy the Right Big Lie that they are about fiscal responsibility. In reality ALL the evidence points to the Right using this figleaf to cover up their bigger agenda: their 30 year campaign to create a fiscal crisis then use it as a pretense to weaken or kill New Deal and Great Society programs they’ve ALWAYS opposed. If our enemies had done as much damage to this nation as these right wing ideas have, we’d have declared war on them.

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    Proof Cain is presidential material…

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/stuff-twirling-flustered-herman-cain-struggles-to-answer-libya-question-during-newspaper-interview/

    If God wants him to run, why is God letting him make such a fool of himself? He’s worst that Sarah Palin!

    OK, not that bad.

  • Modavations

    Dear Jeffe68,
              While I didn’t give you a 7 paragrapgh,Ultrax blab,I stick to my analysis.Credit Swaps are Insurance policies.

  • Modavations

    As for attributions.I know of what I speak and couldn’t care less,if you believe me.I know ,of course, that whenever I’m provactive,you run to Google,to check it out.

  • Modavations

    I’m an older guy.I’ve been a salesman for 20 years.Before that, I was a Dice Dealer in LAS Vegas.I make my way in life by reading people.I have never met a chaeracter like Ultrax.In my opinion the guy is psychotic.He’s one snap away from going postal.That’s why I was concerned,when he said he knew who and where I was.I”m sure if we did a case study,we’d find the man was traumatized,somewhere in his past.Again,I’m a wordly guy and this guy is a freak.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      What you don’t like about me Moda, is that I don’t let you get away with your half-ass, baseless claims. If you STILL refuse to present evidence to back your claims, or concede in the fact of evidence you’re wrong, or keep coming back making claims already discredited, then I WILL go for the proverbial jugular. I don’t like making it personal. But when your obvious dementia gets in the way of acknowledging reality, then your dementia becomes inseparable from your argument and I don’t suffer fools gladly. Letting my frustration with idiots such as yourself might not be a desirable trait, but at least I have the satisfaction of knowing I try, and at times may not succeed, to present a well reasoned, fact-based, argument.  

      • Modavations

        I don’t lie,ever.I have 200 clients in New England and have had them for 20 years.Honest men, keep loyal clientele.Let me say this again.I don’t lie,ever.We interperet the same data differently.I repeat,I don’t lie ever.I go into the diamond centers of the world and am afforded diiamonds on memo.In other words,with my signature people give me twenty thousand dollars in stones,to show a client.When you say I’ve been proven wrong,you’re the frigging judge.Now,anyone who says they were keeping track of me personally,for my well being,is full of it……By the way,just count the names you’ve called people in this stream alone.I count 4566.That,my friend is modus operendi,of a disturbed person.

        • Brett

          Let’s just say that mistakes were made and we all are guilty of something or other…anyway, the healing has begun, I can feel it…

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Ya Brett… I’m just feeling all warm and fuzzy about our Orwellian psychotroll’s latest accusations  

          • Brett

            Where’s Leo Buscalia when you need him! 

          • Modavations

            Brett,this guy’s a lost cause

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Moda, you may BELIEVE you never lie. But then you’re both irrational and devoid of any intellectual integrity. That’s obvious with every post you make. You don’t respect facts, only your own beliefs. If you get any fact right, it’s an accident.

          Sorry Einstein, I seriously don’t believe you really know truth from fiction. I pity any defendent that has you on the jury.

        • WTF

          claiming he never lies, moda lies when he writes:

          “By the way,just count the names you’ve called people in this stream alone.I count 4566.”

          • Modavations

            You guys are too much.Do you really think I counted.When I post,I’ll put a J,so you’ll be able to discern jn attempt at levity.I wouldn’t give this guy 2 seconds.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            ROTF

    • Brett

      Mo-D,

      While not knowing about the specific encounter of which you allude, and not wanting to comment specifically on your general interactions with uLTRAX, or with anyone else for that matter (that would be, in a sense, taking sides, which probably only adds to tensions in these kinds of things), I understand that if, on a blog forum, someone replies to another by saying he/she knows who the other person is and where he/she lives, this could feel disconcerting. We all have the right to express our opinions, and we are all human, e.g., we get overheated, snarky, and so on…we also should all feel safe in commenting and in replying to the comments of others. Our opinions of others, as well as our perceptions of who they are and where they’re coming from through their commentary, should never cross the line and even remotely imply a physical threat.     

      • Modavations

        Thanks for not calling names.Now please read my last post, from two minutes ago.Believe me this happened.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          It took long enough to find it… here’s the exchange from the OWS forum of 10-12. It ended when Moda asked me “and…”

          Gee, where’s the “threat”? Where is Moda talking about police?
          I’ll post the second exchange but it will again show Moda’s making things up.

          Modavations 10/12/2011 11:35 AM If you look closely at the site in NYC,you’ll see it’s ringed by enterpreneurs selling t-shirts saying, “CAPITALISM SUCKS” show more show less Flag
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          notafeminista 10/13/2011 01:34 PM in reply to Modavations *snort* show more show less Flag
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          jimino 10/12/2011 12:45 PM in reply to Modavations So you think our form of capitalism is wonderful?  And you claim to be a libertarian. show more show less Flag
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          Modavations 10/12/2011 01:25 PM in reply to jimino I’ve been everywhere in the world a million times.I speak Spanish,French,Italian,English.I’m half-assed rich.The best places on Earth are Mexico,USA,and Western Europe.My beef with eUROPE IS THAT THE t.v. sucks.You can’t get O’Reilly show more show less Flag
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          ulTRAX 10/12/2011 01:32 PM in reply to Modavations Nice fantasy. As I once said, you give away so much personal info it was easy to ID you. I checked… show more show less Flag
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          Modavations 10/12/2011 04:17 PM in reply to ulTRAX I’ve got one kid sending 28 million Philipinos to kill me and Ultrax is reading my dossier.Are you a frigging stalker.This is downright creepy.Creo que necessito mi vestido anti-balas. show more show less Flag
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          Modavations 10/12/2011 02:38 PM in reply to ulTRAX And……….   

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Second exchange from the 10-18 forum. Moda starts a new thread by quoting my 10-12 post. He apparently doesn’t know how to cut & paste so the buffoon REWRITES MY POST making the same punctuation errors he does when he writes. 

            Modavations  10/18/2011 12:33 PM 

            10/12/2011 Ultrax to Modavations….”Nice fantasy.As I once said you give away so much personal info it was easy to ID you.I checked…..”

            ulTRAX  10/18/2011 01:06 PM in reply to Modavations  And that in your demented mind is a “threat”? ROTF… Mod you moron, if you want anonymity don’t your business name as a user ID. Why do you think I ALSO told you it was stupid to mention leaving cash in your basement. Don’t blame me because YOU are so careless. Obviously no good deed goes unpunished. Are there ANY intelligent right wingers here?????

            Modavations  10/18/2011 01:33 PM in reply to ulTRAX  So you decided to investigate me out of altruism?????????

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            “As I once said, you give away so much personal info it was easy to ID you.”

            Yup, Moda must be correct, there must be an earlier discussion. I just lack the keywords to find. it. Either way, Moda’s stupidity in revealing personal info is his problem. I won’t hold my breath for him to admit he was foolish.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            I can push the discussion back to 9-14:
            Turbulence In The Banking Industry

            I still can’t find mention to what Moda said.
             

            Modavations 09/14/2011 02:07 PM in reply to Adrian from RI They’re going to crash the banks again(remember Tarp).Look up Paul Kanjorski.I keep $5000.00 down the basement show more show less Flag
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            ulTRAX 09/14/2011 04:03 PM in reply to Modavations Hey Einstein… we all know you’re not the brightest bulb in the light store but this is a PUBLIC forum… and anyone can track down your real name because of all the info you provide. show more show less Flag
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            Modavations 09/14/2011 06:13 PM in reply to ulTRAX Dude,I’m not kidding.Google the ABC article show more show less Flag
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            ulTRAX 09/14/2011 07:27 PM in reply to Modavations You truly are utterly clueless. I was talking about what you claim to have stashed in your shack. show more show less Flag
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            J__o__h__n 09/14/2011 04:14 PM in reply to ulTRAX It is the liberal global warming conspirators fault for banning the bright bulbs. show more show less Flag
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            JustSayin 09/14/2011 04:32 PM in reply to J__o__h__n Heavy metal under high voltage ionizing through a twisted tube. Now it makes sense. show more show less Flag
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            Modavations 09/14/2011 06:15 PM in reply to JustSayin Don’t drop one,the govt.in Maine suggests you call a Hazmat team for $2000.00

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        For the record I don’t know where Moda lives nor do I even know his name. On a hunch I looked up Modavations as a possible business name and there is one in Boston. 1+1=2. One business profile web site said it didn’t do much business so I told him I didn’t believe his claims of being some rich guy. After all, the guy IS a complete idiot and 1+1=2,  it’s difficult to imagine he can just be an idiot here, and not in the rest of his life.

        • Modavations

          Why would you look me u?.Why were you looking up Gregg,General of the liberated, middle states?

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            I wanted to know if you were as stupid as you seemed. By leaving a personal trail of info here you proved you were. But then if you dont know even how to Cut&Paste or what a URL is, then why should you know anything about privacy on the web. Let me guess… that’s all my fault, right?

            Enough of this distraction. I post that we need a moderator in here and the place gets worst than before.

          • Modavations

            OK Ultrax,I’m offering you my hand for the third time.Talk to me civilly and I’ll gladly do the same

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            I don’t remember the first two times.

            Civility isn’t your biggest problem Moda. The reason I show you no respect is because you are incapable of presenting an intelligent agrument, and you don’t respect facts, you constantly disrupt forums and threads with off topic nonsense. You constantly repeat what’s already be discredited, you’re incapable of citing credible source yet dismiss me when I do. JFK revenues are a perfect example. You posted dishonest Right wing crap and I took it apart number by number using CBO reports, and without even trying to prove anything, you accused me of manipulating the numbers. You’re also are clueless about yourself. You claim you don’t lie and in one post alone claimed I dismissed Medicare fraud and interest payments. 

            Change that and maybe we can tone it down. But I don’t think you have it in you.

          • Modavations

            Just go through this days posts and count all the names and snarkisms, you’ve bestowed on everyone.While I joked it’s 4200 times.I may not be far off.These are not the musings of a sane guy.I’m sure if we examined your dossier,we’d find you’ve been traumatized.Like wife beating,or rape,or something heavy duty.By the way,The 4200 slurs you cast,are for this day alone.If we went through three months,the slurs would be in the millions.You’re not well son and stay out of the Post Offices.

          • ModasNotHonest

            So trax, is moda as stupid as he seemed? of did he exceed your expectations?

        • Modavations

          I went and checked it out.That was not when the conversation started.I’ll try to get to it tonight.When you told me you knew who I was I told you this.”if you ever try to contact me,if you ever try to approach me,if any of my property is damaged,I will call the police”.I told you that more then once.There are thousands of people on this forum and no one,has ever checked me out.You’re a freak dude.The type who snaps and shoots up the Post Office.

          • Youretheparasite

            No wonder he keeps wanting to grow the size of the government.  Working at the post office, he’s part of the problem.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I remember that reply by you to Ultrax.  I think he/she is getting tooooo worked up and personal. 
                I have agreed with each of you at times, some of which were agreements with each of you on points of the same issue.
                Since this is a public forum, and it takes longer to type something, than to speak it, I request that people THINK about what they wish to say, BEFORE typing it!
                I have argued with most of the regular posters on here, and will continue to argue, or agree with whom I choose.
                 On many ocassions, I have requested someone tone down, or clean up their posts.  NOT because I have sensitive ears, but because I’m convinced that it is counter-productive, and there may be children and those that are interested in the subjects, but leave because the language, or the threats repulse them!

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            If Moda wrote that I honestly don’t remember. Not everyone goes back to old forums to pick up discussions. I posted those first discussions I found. Either way, I never bothered to look past Moda’s business name. And even if someone did do a complete paid search at web sites that aggregate public info, it’s not illegal. If Moda is stupid enough to reveal public info on himself, then it’s his problem. The web’s be around long enough to know the privacy risks but learning isn’t Moda’s style. Hell, sites can even ID you by your font cache. It’s like a system fingerprint. Even my trying to warn him he’s crazy to mention he keeps cash in his basement apparently has backfired. No good deed goes unpunished.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            A search of the website does show a Moda post on that topic in the 10-14 forum. I could not find it. I did find a post of him accusing me of being a stalker… I guess because I don’t let his crap go unchallenged. I’m not He’ll have to take responsiblity for his own irrationality or paranoia.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            A search of the website does show a Moda post on that topic in the 10-14 forum. I could not find it. I did find a post of him accusing me of being a stalker… I guess because I don’t let his crap go unchallenged. I’m not He’ll have to take responsiblity for his own irrationality or paranoia.

          • Gregg

            TTT I appreciate that and can vouch for you consistency. But realize, these are your people, this is how they act.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      You have repeatedly said that you keep $5000. in your basement.  That is silly if you do, OR if you  don’t.  If you DO, it tells thieves where to look.  If you don’t, it is incentive for thieves to try to get it. 
          I NEVER took Ultrax’s mention of that money as anything but a note of caution for you, which you haven’t heeded yet.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Just do a search here for $5000 and you’ll see Moda mentions it at least 3 times.

      • Modavations

        TTT,firstly,I was talking about fear of bank solvency,thus the stash.Secondly,who doesn’t have money in the basement,or under the mattress.Thirdly,to me $5000.00 is chump change.When are we going to drive Boston for an hour to see if we can find a hungry kid?

    • Fredlinskip

      Your a used car salesman and a gambler.

      I see how you and Rush get along so well.

      • Fredlinskip

        Boy the level of conversation is really going downhill here-

        And now I’m heading down that road myself.

        • Gregg

          Thank you Mr. Linskip.

  • Youretheparasite

    I’ll meet you half-way.  Cut spending like crazy and raise taxes but only if those tax increases go to futher the military-industrial complex and not to sustain the parasitic social hammock.

    • Modavations

      Medicare alone runs fraud at 50-90billion,a year.Get rid of the waste and fraud and graft,then we can think about raising taxes.I think you’d be amazed at the redundencies,alone.Pres.Obama joked about 5 agencies dealing with salt water salmon and another 5,for when the same salmon cross into fresh water.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Now even MORE different numbers on Medicare?

        BTW Brainiac… it’s NOT all fraud. The number… about $60 billion… an outrageous number, is for all IMPROPER PAYMENTS… including unneeded testing. 

        I don’t know how much, or if, the private sector is much better. One study shows about 20% of all heath care claims are processed improperly leading to about $17 BILLION just for unnecessary  admin costs. 

        http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2011/6/21/onefifth-of-insurance-claims-are-processed-improperly-ama-finds.aspx

        So much for the magic of the private sector.

        Who knows what actual improper payments might cost the private sector.

        • Modavations

          The head Medicare guy was on C-span.He said they cut 50billion in bad checks,outright..He said the fraud could go as high as 90bill.Newt was on the next week and said 120bill.The point was you were quibbling over #’s(I said 120bill.and I thought that correct.).You cried and cried,but made no comment of the outrageous waste,no matter what the #.The next beef was the Def.Budget.I said 533Bill(that was the defense dept request) and you went on and on about #’s.The point was that the 457 bill in interest payments is outrageous and I said it was almost as much as the Def.Budget.You had no problem with the outrageous interest payment and quibbled #’s.I’ve said it amillion times,IT’S The Spending Stupid

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            You claim you don’t lie, but if you go back to our very first discussion on this I was clear:

             I wrote: ” Heaven forbid you provide a credible source for your claims. Yes ALL abuse, fraud, and abuse should be tracked down… but as I recall from a 60 Minutes back during the fall of 09  the figure was about half that, and much of the problem was because Bush slashed money for enforcement.”

            Do I hear a retraction? Of course not.  
            Moda, you really don’t know fact from fiction. Sadly, I also know all the evidence that is true won’t make a bit of difference for someone who doesn’t value facts.  
            Grow up and take some goddamn responsibility for yourself.

          • Modavations

            Dude I don’t lie,ever.When I said 120Bill(Newt’s # from two weeks ago),I thought that to be true.You’re saying I threw out the # maliciously.I do not lie,ever…If the # were 60Bill, I’d say that amount of fraud is outrageous.The defunct NASA only cost about 18Bill. a year.Again,the govt. is full of waste,fraud,redundencies and you want more tax money.For what exactly.And how the hell would you know how much money I have.Do you have access to my bank accts.You’re a freak,dude

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Like I said Moda, you don’t know fact from fantasy. You claimed “You cried and cried,but made no comment of the outrageous waste,no matter what the #.”

            Yet in my FIRST response to you, posted above, I was clear I thought it was outragous.

            You also lied about my not caring about interest costs even though routinely post about it.

            TWO examples in just ONE of your posts where you claim you don’t lie, yet you did.

            Any retraction from Moda?

            Crickets… just like when I proved JFK was NOT talking about tax cuts for the rich in his “rising tide” comments. Moda was a no show…

          • Modavations

            Dude,cut the crap.In both the Defense Budget argument and the Medicare fraud case ,you were concerned about nit picking #’s, not the general theme.You pestered me for days.When I directed you to the Sec.of Defense, Green book request(533 billion requested in year 2010),you actually said,that doesn’t count.Or something ridiculous,along those lines.You quibbled the Def.Budget is 603billion not 533 billion.The point I was making was that the 457bill.per year interest on the debt was almost as big as the Defense budget.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Don’t lecture me on intrest Moda if YOU approve of fiscally irresponsible policies THAT PREVENT DEBT PAYDOWN.

            I’ve been protesting about interest for as long as I can remember… here’s a thread of mine from 2004

            http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104×1312095#1312248

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            My mistake… I said it was 70 billion in improper Medicare payments. The 70 billion covers both Medicare AND Medicare… at least according to a March 2011 GAO report:

            http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11409t.pdf

            “GAO has designated Medicare and Medicaid as high-risk programs because they are particularly vulnerable to fraud, waste, abuse, and improper payments (payments that should not have been made or were made in an incorrect amount). Medicare is considered high-risk in part because of its complexity and susceptibility to improper payments, and Medicaid because of concerns about the adequacy of its fiscal oversight to prevent inappropriate spending. In fiscal year 2010, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)—the agency that administers Medicare and Medicaid—estimated that these programs made a total of over $70 billion in improper payments.” “The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)—the agency in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers Medicare and oversees Medicaid—has estimated improper payments for Medicare of almost $48 billion for fiscal year 2010.5 This estimate does not include improper payments in Part D, the Medicare prescription drug benefit, for which the agency has not yet estimated a total amount. Medicaid, a federal-state program, was designated as high risk in part due to concerns about the adequacy of fiscal oversight, which is necessary to prevent inappropriate spending. Medicaid also has significant improper payments. HHS estimated that the federal share of improper payments in the Medicaid program in fiscal year 2010 was $22.5 billion.”We can expect this $70 billion to be higher once Medicare D estimates are madeWe can expect this $70 billion to be higher once Medicare D estimates are madeSo Moda, if the choice is between an actual report from a credible source, and your defective memory… guess which one I’ll think is more credible.

          • Modavations

            Ultrax,stop with these massive tomes.You don’t have to prove the point.If I have doubt,I’ll check into it.I’m not gonna read a lengthy tome.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Moda, if you want to engage in a substantive discussion YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. If not, then you’re going to have to live with the consequences and expect all the derision the non-lazy, who DO their research, can heap on your idiotic and baseless claims.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            TRANSLATION: Moda refuses to acknowledge ANY information he feels might threaten his delusions. 

            Why didn’t you just say that????

            Look Moda, I could care less what YOU do with the information. YOU are not the only person who reads these posts. Unlike you I DO care whether my positions make sense so I DO want the best information.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            And here we have another perfect example of Moda’s irrational paranoia. I’m talking about improper Medicare payments. Moda turns it into “And how the hell would you know how much money I have.Do you have access to my bank accts.You’re a freak,dude”

             

          • Modavations

            Yesterday you said the information you read about my co,.said I don’t make much money.How the hell would you,or your source know that.I’m a wholesaler,I don’t sell to the public.My clients are stores.Please tell me where you did your spying.Now I’m interested

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Do a search on yourself Moda. You’ve taken this forum off topic enough.

          • Fredlinskip

            Too bad GOP thwarted all efforts during health care debate-
             We could now have much more meaningful Health Care legislation.

            What we ended up with is a much better solution than what GOP offerred – which was absolutely nothing>

          • Modavations

            Allow competition across state lines,allow tort reform.Remove “classist chip” from shoulder,Problem solved.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Sure, just like deregulation of the banking and commodity sectors worked like a charm. Allowing “competition” across state lines will deprive states of oversight. Where states now can mandate certain coverage for X, a company incorporated in another state won’t have to cover it.
            Health insurance companies will flock to incorporate in the state with the LEAST mandated coverage. It will be a race to the bottom.

            So if companies operating in VT now have to cover lead paint poisoning and all the companies incorporate in DL where’s it’s not required… people in VT are out of luck.

            Sure that WILL bring health care costs down for health insurance companies and the public will be forced to pick up the price.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            $50 billion, that’s your lowest number to date. It must come from the GAO report I cited below

            “The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)—the agency in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers Medicare and oversees Medicaid—has estimated improper payments for Medicare of almost $48 billion for fiscal year 2010.

            While it’s an outragous number IT’S NOT ALL FRAUD. Again from the report: GAO has designated Medicare and Medicaid as high-risk programs because they are particularly vulnerable to fraud, waste, abuse, and improper payments (payments that should not have been made or were made in an incorrect amount).
             
            So unless you have a better, more up to date source, PLEASE describe this waste as “improper payments” not just fraud, and PLEASE start using the correct numbers for Medicare.  

          • Modavations

            I saw the head guy on C-span.He said they’d actually cut 50Billion in checks for bogus claims.He said the fraud-waste rate could be 90bill
            Do you only take offense if the waste gets to 120Billion?I’m waiting for you to explain why we need more revenues.

          • ModasNotHonest

            where do you get off moda? trax didn’t say he wasn’t pissed at the wrongful medicare payments. he wants to pin down a credible number and what its for. that gao report seems to be the best estimate so why don’t we all start using it.

            http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11409t.pdf

          • Modavations

            The head of Medicare fraud was on C-span, 3 weeks ago.He said they cut bad checks(paying fraulent claims,etc.,)to the tune of 50billion dollars,this year.Now remember,Google c-spsn

          • Modavations

            Please explain why you want more revenues.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Gee Moda, no one really cares about how YOU see the budget since you’re not rational. RATIONAL people will look at Bush’s passing SIX ROUNDS of tax cuts while we were already SIX TRILLION in debt as fiscally irresponsible. All the Orwellian Right spin or Orwellian math can’t change that fact!

            Only the Spoiled Rotten wing of the Free Lunch GOP can actually believe if we pissed away some $13.5 TRILLION on ourselves the past 30 years and REFUSED TO PAY FOR IT… they are “over-taxed”.

            Our generation is $13.5 trillion UNDER-taxed.

            So Moda… I don’t expect an answer, but who should pay for what WE spent???  

          • ModasNotHonest

            if newt says something, it must be true. (gag)

            newt’s a bomb thrower always looking to shock the public.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Look Moda, I don’t trust your numbers. You don’t do any research, you have no credible sources. Your CLAIMS are not good enough. What you’re interested in is the antithesis of intelligent discussion. If I presented defense spending numbers I gave the source…. and for FY2010 it was 693.5 billion. source: Historical Budget Tables: Table 3.1

      • Fredlinskip

        GOP has done a pretty good job last few years- they managed to make sure all the interests that brought down our economy have been rewarded handsomely and have not had to pay in revenue a penny more in the interest of helping solve our nation’s fiscal problems-
        That’s quite an accomplishment.

        Their main social value is “feed the rich”.
        Very honorable!

        • Modavations

          We all know Bush sucked,let’s proceed to the future

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Easy to say… except the Bush debt, his fiscally irresponsible tax cuts, and the damage Bush did to the economy, are all still with us

          • Modavations

            Tell me why Obama continued the tax rates.What would you do with the revenue.If you’d reduce the debt,I’m with you bro.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Look, I didn’t vote for Obama, and I don’t approve of Obama’s handling of the economy. What Obama did was a mistake. Ask him why he made it. Tactically, I thought he should have let the Bush tax cuts expire so he’d have more leverage over the petulant GOP that was having a temper tantrum. Then after extracting more compromises… let the tax cuts remain for perhaps one year. Obama thought he’d use the tax cuts as an election issue and went for two. 

             As for the debt… YOU CAN’T PAY DOWN DEBT UNLESS YOU ELIMINATE THE DEFICIT… and I mean the ON-budget deficit… the one that does NOT include borrowing from the trust funds.  

            So the idea that revenues won’t reduce the deficit, but go straight to pay down debt isn’t going to happen.

          • Modavations

            You’re still tongue tied.What would you do with the extra revenue

          • Fredlinskip

            I wasn’t referring to W in my comment. Iwas referring to the unprecedented obstructionist actions of GOP, particualrly in Congress over the past few years.

            It’s a comfort you admit W sucked though- I don’t believe that’s a common belief amongst GOP, though. Is it?

    • Fredlinskip

      Big fan of the Romans I see.
      Well the Romans did last a pretty good while, admittedly.

      • Modavations

        tHEY LEARNED EVERYTHING FROM THE gREEKS

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      I’ve posted that the Tea Party is the Spoiled Brat wing of the Free Lunch GOP. We see this in all their demands and YTP’s provided the perfect example. For example   1: They seem determined NOT to pay for any of the $13.5 trillion we spent on ourselves the past 30 year yet refused to pay for. Stealing from future taxpayers who have no veto in the theft is fine with them.  

      2: They refuse to reconsider the irresponsible Bush tax cuts even though they were passed when the Clinton Surplus was gone and we were already SIX TRILLION in debt. Apparently the loss of 2, perhaps 3 trillion in revenue the past 10 years doesn’t count as a tax cut.  

      3: They pretend to be concerned about fiscal responsibility but that’s just the fig leaf they use to hide their real agenda: the destruction of New Deal and Great Society programs while exempting extravagant spending on their own political priorities.

      How goddamn noble.

      as I wrote earlier, it’s revealing that a Progressive such as myself, wants our generation to take responsibility and pay for OUR bills… and the so-called conservatives here are so morally bankrupt they refuse to see the obvious moral hazard. If any generation can steal with impunity from future taxpayers, what’s to stop them?
       

      • Modavations

        When they get rid of the $50-90billion fraud and waste in Medicare,which in my opinion,is duplicated in all agencies,we’ll be rolling in surplus cash.They are voting on a balanced budget ammendment this afternoon(Jefferson was the first proponent).With this instrument,we will eventually free up an additional 457billion we spend yearly on interest.Please explain to the class, why we need more revenue.

        • Modavations

          Why do you feel more revenues are needed?.I see nothing but waste and corruptuion.The Green Energy,” honey pot” was 20billion.16Billion has gone to Obama cronies.They have released e-mails showing that the White House tried to get Solyndra to hold off on the bankruptcy(?)-layoffs, till after the election.We spend 13,000ish per annum,per kid,for schooling.Only 37% of 4th graders read at proficiency level.They have remedial reading,in college.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Gee Moda, no one really cares about how YOU see the budget since you’re not rational.

            RATIONAL people will look at Bush’s passing SIX ROUNDS of tax cuts while we were already SIX TRILLION in debt as fiscally irresponsible. All the Orwellian Right spin or Orwellian math can’t change that fact!

          • Modavations

            Stop obsessing.What would you do with extra revenue.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Are you THAT ignorant of basic budget principles?  

            Any combination of spending cuts and revenue hikes can only reduce the DEFICIT. If we ever get to a true ON-BUDGET surplus, only THEN we can start to pay down debt.

             Look Moda, I don’t have anything to prove here. The burden of proof is on YOU to show YOU can be fiscally responsible. It’s YOU who supported sabotaging debt paydown in 2001 with the irresponsible Bush tax cuts and you refuse to change YOUR mind.

            I’m on record that it was a MISTAKE and we should have PAID DOWN DEBT.  

          • Modavations

            You seem tongue tied.How would you spend extra revenue

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Show me the SPECIFIC NUMBERS of waste that can cover the $1.3 TRILLION deficit. So far we have $70 billion in both Medicare and Medicaid. But as we even see from the private sector, we’re not going to get it all. But say we do: only $1230 billion left to go. OK, cut defense by $400 billion… and we’re down to $830 billion. The GOP will never compromise on that because they’re in the pockets of the defense industry. Can’t really cut SS since it’s not a cause of the deficit but the Right will try then borrow that extra money to hide the on-budget deficit. I’m dying to see you try cut spending to pay down $14.5 TRILLION in debt. 

           As for the Balanced Budget Amendment… do you even have a clue what it does? Didn’t think so. It does NOT pay down debt.

          Total outlays for any fiscal year shall not exceed total receipts for that fiscal year…

          Receipts are defined as:

          Total receipts shall include all receipts of the United States Government except those derived from borrowing.

          source: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:2:./temp/~c112g5zv6u::

          It only requires a balanced UNIFIED budget. The amendment still permits massive internal borrowing from the trust funds. That’s not my idea of a “balanced budget”. That $14.5 trillion debt will be set in cement and we’ll still be paying that interest.

          So let’s get back to the central question here: so we cut spending and get to a balanced annual on-budget budget. What’s to stop the GOP from again sabotaging debt paydown as Bush did in 2001? What’s to stop either party from declaring a perpetual state of war to get around the amendment?

          That you on the Right STILL refuse to deal with what Bush did is just a continued sign of your moral and intellectual bankrupcy… and why you’re going to AGAIN fall for the next slight of hand the Right will pull to dismantle the Democratic safety net.

          The BBA will allow for irresponsible tax cuts with a simple majority yet 3/5 vote to undo the fiscal vandalism the Right does.   

          • Modavations

            Will you take the tax increase you are demanding and use it to reduce the debt?

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            It will take more than a tax increase to pay down debt. We have to eliminate the DEFICIT first.

            But then, you don’t know the difference.

          • ModasNotHonest

            trax, why do you even bother having a debate with this guy? all it does is go around in circles and nothing ever resolves. when painted into a corner like with the jfk numbers, he just says they don’t exist and he doesn’t have to deal with you.

          • Modavations

            .Cut 5% across the board for 5 years and we’ll reappraise.The deficits took 30 years, in the making and will take 30 years to erase,Today the House votes on the Balanced Budget Ammendment.I am not a Republican.I loath politicians of all stripes

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            AGAIN you don’t even have a clue what the difference is between the DEBT and the DEFICIT.

            The DEFICIT was gone in 2000. BUSH brought it back with SIX ROUNDS of irresponsible tax cuts.

            Even some 3ed grader can understand what you can’t.

          • Modavations

            Why are you so obsessed with Bush.We all agree he was a disaster.Think about the future son.I consider your so called Safety Net a disaster and the cause of the disintegration of the American Black

      • Modavations

        Tea Partyers are non partisan,older,honest hard working peeps ,who have had enough.T.E.A means Taxed Enough Already

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Only the Spoiled Rotten wing of the Free Lunch GOP can actually believe if we pissed away some $13.5 TRILLION on ourselves the past 30 years and REFUSED TO PAY FOR IT… they are “over-taxed”.

          Our generation is $13.5 trillion UNDER-taxed.

          So Moda… I don’t expect an answer, but who should pay for what WE spent???

          • Modavations

            This is the 4th time I’ve asked you why you want to raise taxes..Do you think the sons and daughters of the 1%ers,protesting their very own parents,are spolied?Why are tea partyers spolied may I ask.Please spare us and remain silent.If you must answer,please keep it to under 3 pages.Final question.Are you saying that if we raise taxes ,you would use it to reduce the deficit.If so,I’m with you bro.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Look Einstein, perhaps if you bothered to look at your last THREE posts, you’d see I answered TWICE. Don’t blame me because you’re too lazy to read and think reposting over and over is easier.

          • Modavations

            I taught Einstein physics and I taught Orwell to write

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Now are YOU going to provide some STRAIGHT answers to MY questions above???

            Didn’t think so.

          • ModasNotHonest

            why are you wasting time arguing with this numbskull?

          • ModasNotHonest

            isn’t being close to 15 trillion in debt with a deficit of close to 1.5 trillion reason enough to look for more revenue?

          • Modavations

            I know the concept is alien,but how ’bout we cut,cut,cut

          • ArnoldWalker

            take it out of future gov spending and use the surpluses to pay down the debt; done, next

      • Modavations

        Tea Partyers are non partisan,older,honest hard working peeps ,who have had enough.T.E.A means Taxed Enough Already

      • ArnoldWalker

        There is no such thing as an irresponsible taxcut, only irresponsible spending and we’ve had too much of that.  Time to cut to the bone.

      • Modavations

        Tell the class what you’d do with extra revenues.Would you reduce debt,or blow it on welfare statism.I think we all know the answer

        • ulTRAX

          Let me see if I understand your “logic”. I’m here every day saying debt should be paid down, that the GOP is blocking HALF the solution by refusing to consider more revenue…. and you’re just in the last day suggesting more revenue… and you think I have something to prove?

          No Moda…. YOU have to prove you’re making suggestions in good faith.

  • Gregg
    • Youretheparasite

      Apparently they don’t have teleprompters in Asia!  Man, that was painful.  Or was he waiting for the translator to translate it into Hawaiian …  How do you say “please lend me money” in Hawaiian?

    • ArnoldWalker

      Judging by the photos that place is pretty sweet.  We should invade Hawaii and make it the 59th state!  That’s what his eyes were saying if not his lips.  Barry wants another Peace Prize.

      • Fredlinskip

        Huh??

        • Modavations

          Let’s all put “J” next to our posts, when we’re attempting levity.I can’t believe you guys can’t tell the difference.

          • Fredlinskip

            Apparently Arnold is one of those high percentage of Republicans who during birther debate did not realize Hawaii was a state.

          • ArnoldWalker

            Barry told me it was one of the 58, sheep, keep up.

      • Modavations

        I have been saying for years,that we should have invaded Alberta,as opposed to Iraq.

        • ArnoldWalker

          Good idea! 

    • Fredlinskip

      May not watch quite enough Fox “News”, but I don’t quite get it. Obama gives a little bit of a tired speech and that’s big news??
       
         You want to see some screwed up speeches go back and look up your buddy W- the few times he decided to speak publicly.

      • Gregg

        I don’t necessarily give Obama a bad rap for the gaff. It is however ironic that he was born in Hawaii and still calls his birth state Asia. This after all the birther thing. You’d think he’d know better. The main reason I posted is because of other commenters writing off Republican candidates based on the same type of gaffes. It’s par for the course.

        • ArnoldWalker

          He can’t keep that story straight.

          • Modavations

            The Pres.is a fraud.He bought his house from Rezco,for 300,000.00 below market.Reszco is in jail.When Obame left Boston, after college he had about 20 unpaid traffic fines.When he started running,his henchmen had tio sneak in and pay the fines off.

          • Fredlinskip

            You may want to raise your sites a bit there, Moda, there is a lot more serious scandal and fraud going on in America then unpaid traffic tickets.

        • Fredlinskip

          You’re not giving him a bad rap, but you think he believes his birth state is in Asia? Bit of a contradictory statement that.

          You should be happy about the GOP candidate “gaffes”, it’s narrowing the field significantly.

      • Modavations

        Give me an example

        • Fredlinskip

          Moda, Were you living under a rock during W years?
          I’ll give you some examples when I get a chance- because my work schedule is driving me to distraction, it might be in a different thread.

      • ArnoldWalker

        please the guy is a total goof when he doesn’t have prepared remarks; welcome to asia!

  • TheAnswerIs

    We shouldn’t be paying taxes at all. 

    Taxes are the symptom of a parasitic cancer on healthy capitalism.

    What we need to do is take away the functions of Federal Reserve System from the clutches of private banksters, eliminate their monopoly on issuing notes, and put the power of money back into the the hands of the people via the US Treasury.

    We would be able to pay off our debt in less than a decade and in the meantime lower everyone’s tax burden.

    • Fredlinskip

      Actually The Answer Is if we could just directly take 50% of our paychecks and salaries and hand it directly to top 1%, it would streamline the process that has been occurring for past 30+ years. And we all know that if the top 1% gets more it “trickles down” andewe all live in bliss.

      Just look around– isn’t our economy so much better for this GOP inspired trend? 

      • Modavations

        The wealthy guys pay 38% of taxes and own 20% of the wealth.I sincerely believe that anyone,with a good education,can become a 1%er(I’d be more then happy, to be a 10%er).The reason America cooks,is because people from all over the world, come here to take their shot ,at becoming as rich as Croseus.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Obviously you know NOTHING about supply and demand. If EVERYONE got a PhD, then PhD’s would be cleaning toilets and asking if you wanted fries with your burger. 

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          You’re oblivious to the logical defect in your thesis.
           
          As soon as more elevate themselves into the top 1% income bracket, they by definition they displace those on the lowest end of the 1% continuum. The 1% by definition can NOT grow in numbers through income… only through a population increase.
           
          Back to the drawing board Moda.

        • Fredlinskip

          That’s great that you still believe in “Americn dream”, upward mobility, and all that.

          But in case you haven’t noticed, upward mobility and the American Dream have becoming consistantly harder and harder to achieve over past 30+ years.
             IMO, this is not by accident and has a lot to do with the activities of the 1%ers…
          and GOP policy that have continuously supported their interests at the expense of the rest of America. 

          • ArnoldWalker

            Yeah, they’re holding you back cuz they don’t like you.  You’re the victim, they’re the bad guys, you’re not responsible for your own lack of success.  Pathetic.

          • Fredlinskip

            It must be nice-   living in a fact-free world.

          • ulTRAX

            What the Right loves to do is take some plausible logic, that YES, someone who works hard will do better than someone who doesn’t, then it ignores the restrictions in the market and other limiting factors, and applies what might work in a few cases to EVERYONE. Suddenly it’s a morality tale where anyone who’s not doing well can only blame themselves.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      ROTF… great performance!!! We can have our free lunch and eat it too!!! Bet most of our low room-temp IQ dittoheads don’t even realize you’re doing political theater!

      • gonkers

         The comment above that was censored simply said this. WHY is was removed is anyone’s guess.

        TheAnswerIs   

        We shouldn’t be paying taxes at all. 

        Taxes are the symptom of a parasitic cancer on healthy capitalism.

        What we need to do is take away the functions of Federal Reserve System from the clutches of private banksters, eliminate their monopoly on issuing notes, and put the power of money back into the the hands of the people via the US Treasury.

        We would be able to pay off our debt in less than a decade and in the meantime lower everyone’s tax burden. show more show less

  • Modavations

    Mr Ultrax,
             Please forgive me.I had no idea you’re snooping into my personal history,or keeping a dossier on Gregg,were for altruistic reasons.My appologies again.To my NPR colleagues….I must suggest,however,if you’re ever in a Post Office with Mr.Ultrax,run.

  • Modavations

    Mr.Ultrax,please tell the class what you’d do with your requested,extra revenues.If you’re for reducing the deficit,I’m with you bro.$457 billion in interest payments, this year alone(and going up)is beyond the pale

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Moda, please stop spamming the board asking the SAME question over and over pretending it wasn’t answered already.

    • ModasNotHonest

      begin head scratching)

      how does reducing the deficit reduce interest payments?

      (end head scratching

      • Modavations

        457 billion in interest payment,this year alone..Get rid of the 15billion debt and we have no interest payment.Small debt is okay.Around 3% of GDP.It’s over 6% currently 

        • ulTRAX

          The FASTEST way to pay down debt is to reverse the policies that got us that debt. Yes, spending is ONE factor. But between 2-3 TRILLION of that debt was caused by the Bush tax cuts when he COULD have used that money to PAY DOWN DEBT AS HE PROMISED.

          That anyone can claim we must IGNORE those tax cuts which were clearly IRRESPONSIBLE is not thinking clearly. They are regurgitating right wing “logic” designed to protect the rich and sabotage the fiscal health of government.

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    NewtGate is exploding in Newt’s face… and it couldn’t happen to a more arrogant arse.

    He wasn’t just paid $300k for being a historian…. he was paid perhaps $1.8 MILLION

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8894860/US-elections-Newt-Gingrich-under-fire-after-surge-in-opinion-polls.html

    Newt was already lying about this at the GOP debate.

    Now let the damage control begin!!! 

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Speaking about Newt’s real work for Freddie:

      “Former Freddie Mac officials familiar with his work in 2006 say Gingrich was asked to build bridges to Capitol Hill Republicans and develop an argument on behalf of the company’s public-private structure that would resonate with conservatives seeking to dismantle it.”

      Why else pay Newt for anything else but the ability to use his name!

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-16/gingrich-said-to-be-paid-at-least-1-6-million-by-freddie-mac.html

      Once his retainer payments stopped in 2008, Newt suddenly became a critic of Freddie.  

      • Modavations

        Not to nit-pick,but isn’t this off topic.Please proceed,I have no problem with this,just pointing out hypocrisy.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          My dear Scarecrow… if you only had…
           
          Unlike you I’ll admit I have posted off-topic. I’m not as bad as you who not only posts you’re going to the goddamn gym but NEVER ADMITS you’re off topic.

          So it’s all the more amusing you’d protest this topic SINCE IT BROKE DURING LAST WEDNESDAY’S GOP DEBATE… and last week’s events ARE the topic of this forum.  

          • ModasNotHonest

            lol, moda sure picked the wrong post to complain about.

            as for gingrich, this guy has so much baggage the big money of the gop must be pissin’ in their panties he might pull ahead.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Seems Newt wanted to use Freddie to help foster better relations between the GOP and Hispanics.

      “During that period, Gingrich consulted with Freddie Mac executives on a program to expand home ownership, an idea Delk said he pitched to President George W. Bush’s White House.

      “I spent about three hours with him talking about the substance of the issues and the politics of the issues, and he really got it,” said Delk, adding that the two discussed “what the benefits are to communities, what the benefits could be for Republicans and particularly their relationship with Hispanics.” ”

      http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-16/gingrich-said-to-be-paid-about-1-6-million-by-freddie-mac.html

      Which of course means…. encouraging minority loans?

      Isn’t that what the GOP has blamed for the housing collapse?

  • Modavations

    My friend,Mr Ultrax wants to raise revenue.He wants to raise taxes,even though Pres.Obama realized this would be a disaster in the fragile environment.Pres. Obama extended the Bush tax cuts..If we take that revenue and reduce debt(the 15 bill.version),I’m with you.We will pay 457bill.in interest this year alone,so believe me,I’m with you.Not to pry,do you work for the govt.?Do you fear the govt.will cut your stipend.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Until you get straight the difference between the federal deficit and debt… and understand how debt is paid down, there’s really no point in you even asking questions Moda. And it might help if you also were able to understand the difference between a million, a billion, and a trillion. Seriously, I don’t believe you do.

      • Modavations

        I will happily pay more tax if we reduce the current debt,or long term deficit,or vise versa.I’m for reducing any debt,or deficit, you choose.We know the game,though,you want to throw it into the general fund and blow it.In one sentence please,what would you do with the new revenue.The previous answer,was incoherent.In one sentence please,what do you want to do with new revenue.

        • Fredlinskip

          Moda, you said something that makes sense- quit scaring me.

          Now if you can convince some of your GOP brethren that if America truly wishes to pay down debt revenue is required, I might start believing that sanity will someday again prevail.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Moda deserves no credit. It’s just a way to pretend he’s for debt paydown without reneging on his position that the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible. That, and he doesn’t understand anything about what it takes to pay down debt.  Debt can’t be paid down before the deficit is. Perhaps some sleazy bookkeeping scheme can be set up to pretend otherwise but it’s still a wash.   

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Looking for a way to pay down debt WITHOUT being taxed:

          https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454

          The problem remains Moda that much of the debt has its origins in tax cuts that NEVER should have been passed because we were already SIX TRILLION in debt. So even if you make a donation, it’s just an atom of a drop in a bucket. We really need to reverse the Bush tax cuts as part of some larger plan to reduce the deficit.

    • ulTRAX

      Gee Moda, Reagan raised taxes in fall 82 and that was in the middle of the deepest recession since the 30′s… with unemployment hitting 10.8%… higher than under Obama.

      My position has been that a ONE year extension of some of the Bush tax cuts might be acceptable.

      But I’ve also stated here that there are ways we can stimulate the economy WITHOUT cutting taxes or spending… reverse free trade, ban Wall Street from speculating especially in the commodity markets, and get them back to investing… last form a US oil buying cartel to bargain oil prices for US end users. Energy prices have spiked some $25 dollars in a few months and there are NO supply issues.  

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    Dear Moda, post all you like. But for your own sake please, Please, PLEASE, change your user name. You’re sooooooo un-websavvy that you’re oblivious that any of your business contacts can easily find your posts here and I bet most won’t all sympathize with your nutty extremist rightwing views or how truly bizarre you are. Honestly, you are as whacked as they come.

    I’ve been involved in web privacy issues for about 15 years, even started an old UseNet forum on it. The web will eat you alive if you’re careless. Take some advice from someone who obviously cannot stand you, but also honestly can’t bear see you self-destruct this way.

    You’re welcome.
     

    • ModasNotHonest

      why are you bothering to help moda of all people? he’s done nothing but insult you. let him self destruct. better yet, let some of his competitors get hold of some of his posts. bet they can size customers up too and if they sense any liberal leanings, say by the way, you want to know what fred is really like? does this lunatic seem to be a person that can be trusted?

      • Modavations

        I’m only going to warn you once.

        • ulTRAX

          Gee Moda, I don’t know about MNH but I’m trying NOT to post any info about you. You’re welcome.

          But one PUBLIC site does say:

          “Estimates show Modavations employs 1 people and has an annual revenue of $XX”

          Let’s just say the number given conflicted greatly with your obnoxious bragging here that “I’ve been everywhere in the world a million times.I speak Spanish,French,Italian,English.I’m half-assed rich.”

          If YOU have problems then take it up with the site, and STOP GIVING OUT PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFO ON YOURSELF.
           

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Ya, what was I thinking. That a nutcase like Moda would gladly say, “Hey, never thought about that”, THANKS!!

        No good deed goes unpunished.

    • Modavations

      The address is my office.That’s public domain.How did you get my home address and bank info.Are you playing,or am I calling my lawyer?.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        Like I said, no good deed goes unpunished. I try to warn you that the ANY of use of personal info on the web is foolish, and what thanks do I get? Moda you are truly a paranoid nutcase. No one said ANYTHING about knowing your address or bank info. That’s entirely your creation. Who cares.

        But it’s interesting that what got you so upset was the suggestion you were a ne’er-do-well.

  • Modavations

    Just Googled myself.It says 0 reviews and Wholesale jewelry.You mentioned that the profile said, I don’t make much money.I take it you made this up.Please tell me where you found that info,if I’ve erred.I’m curious.I don’t talk politics with my clients,unless prompted.As I’ve said,I make my living by sizing people up.Now,who told you I don’t make money.By the way,I’ve got nothing to hide and my information is public and accessible to anyone.

    • ModasNotHonest

      it wasn’t the easiest thing to find but i found it too.

      moda you slacker.

      • Modavations

        Keep your shirt on kid.That’s my office and is public domain.

  • Drew You Too

    Saw the comments on Friday’s board were over 750 and thought, what the ?, I must have missed somehting. Then I started reading the comments. I lmao at most of them, there’s been a full on war going on this board since Friday. More power to ya’ll, some of it was actually pretty entertaining.

    • Fredlinskip

      What would be more inspiring is if a lot of the comments had something to do with the discussion which occurred on the show.

      • Drew You Too

        lol. I never said inspiring, I said entertaining. I agree with you completely.

  • ArnoldWalker

    Spending cuts are the only answer.  Let’s do it before the bond market makes our life miserable.  

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Why would the bond markets prefer a half-ass approach to a more rational balanced fiscal approached that includes more revenue?  And do you EVER intend to deal with the issue of the Bush tax cuts which were passed when we were SIX TRILLION in debt? The fact that to a person here the those on the Right buy the illogical line that revenues are not a problem is a tribute to the propaganda skills of the Orwellian Right. But it’s also a damning indictment about your willingness to sabotage your own common sense.

      • ArnoldWalker

        You only have a revenue problem if you’re spending too much, get it, cut spending; end of problem.  Cut spending even more end of debt problem.  I’m trying to make it as easy for you to understand as possible, but your ignorance makes it difficult.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          What you’re saying is that no matter how much revenues are cut, the reduced revenue can NEVER be blamed for budget problems.

          Are there ANY intelligent right wingers out there?????

          • ArnoldWalker

            Just like you’re saying the ever-increasing, and wasteful, spending can never be cut and can never be blamed for the deficit and debt problems.

            How dim are you leftwing hacks?

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Gee Brainiac… how many times have I said I was for revenue increase AND spending cuts?   The problem here isn’t me. It’s the self-sabotaged intellects on the Right like yourself who insist there must NEVER be revenue increases no matter how fiscally irresponsible the SIX ROUNDS of Bush tax cuts were… and no matter how much debt we’re in.   

          • ArnoldWalker

            Keep your shorts on Susie.  Tax rates are fine and as the economy grows revenue will rise, but spending is the bigger problem by far.  Spending is out of control. Spending has been wasted.  Now is the time to cut.  Leftwing nutjobs like yourself can’t admit the crux of the problem.

          • ulTRAX

            Let me see if I understand your psychotic logic. I’m for a balanced  approach (spending cuts and revenue hikes) that WORKED in producing a surplus.

            You are on record for supporting Bush who sabotaged debt paydown.

            And in your mind you want to trust the country’s fate to your dysfunctional sense of economics?

            Are there ANY intelligent right wingers out there?

            Didn’t think so.

          • TruthSquad

            so your entire argument rest on the premise that tax revenues rise after tax cuts. yet the numbers show they never make up for the money lost to those tax cuts.

            in other words, tax cuts cut revenue. who would have thunk it!

            reality bites, doesn’t it arnold.  and if the facts aren’t on your side, then your approach is just cuckoo. 

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            That tax cuts pay for themselves is the Right’s Big Lie that never dies. Revenues tend to rise on their own… inflation and population growth.
             
            Tax cut depress the growth for 4-5-6 years then it catches up to the old revenue. But it’s also now 4-5-6 years behind the curve.
             
            It’s as if a 8th grader stays back for 4 years and when he’s 18 he can finally do 9th grade work. The Right would dub that proof the educational system works.
              

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Gee Arnie, HOW MANY TIME TO I HAVE TO SAY I’M NOT OPPOSED TO SPENDING CUTS?????  The problem here isn’t me. I can think logically that budgets have TWO variables.  The problem here is the Orwellian logic YOU subscribe to that no matter how much revenue was slashed during the Bush Junta, that revenue must NEVER be part of the solution.  That “logic” is simply psychotic.

          • TruthSquad

            so trax is saying he’s for spending cuts and new revenue, you’re saying you’re only for spending cuts.

            let me think. which approach will get to a balanced budget quicker?

            arnold, you’re what my 7 year old would call a cookoohead. 

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Don’t make the mistake in thinking people like Arnie want a surplus. We already know from 2001 that if that time comes, they’ll just again buy into the Right’s logic that a surplus “proves” we’re over taxed… and we need another tax cut.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          So in your Orwellian world… we imagine a two-income household with certain monthly bills. Mom quits her job… and tells the bank, hey… don’t blame us for not having the money. It’s your ignorance that believes we even owe anything on the mortgage.

          OK, not a perfect analogy… in the end budgets are a TWO variable equations. And there’s a difference between a deficit and debt.

          And in the end our $14.5 TRILLION debt EXISTS and really doesn’t care about your Orwellian attempts to dismiss it.

          Cutting spending will NOT end the debt problem BECAUSE as we’ve already seen in 2001… YOUR tax cut psychos on the right will claim that ANY annual budget surplus “proves” we’re over taxed. And they will AGAIN demand more irresponsible tax cuts. Even if this doesn’t happen, the idea you can cut spending to the point you’ll pay down debt is laughable. You’re expecting future taxpayers to pay OUR debt when the Right has convinced you you’re “overtaxed” even after having a $13.5 TRILLION free lunch the past 30 years?  

          Once again we’re back to not only questioning the Right’s “logic”… but their motives.

           

          • ArnoldWalker

            Faulty analogy and worse logic.  Cut spending and deficits will decine, cut more and surpluses will result, … debt falls.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Add more revenue and the deficits will decline FASTER. Add more revenue and surpluses will result, … debt falls. Yup, like your fantasy, it’s so easy to say.

            Expect THAT WE WERE ALREADY AT THAT SURPLUS AND THE GOP SABOTAGED IT.

            You EMBRACED that fiscal irresponsibility in 2001, yet now pretend you’re fiscally responsible?

            Are there ANY intelligent right wingers out there? Just ONE would do that can explain Arnie’s psychotic logic.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Pray tell Arnie… if the Spoiled Rotten Tea Party thinks it’s already overtaxed even if we pissed away some $14 TRILLION on ourselves the past 30 years and REFUSED TO PAY FOR IT… what makes you think after your draconian spending cuts they’ll be happy paying taxes and getting $14 trillion LESS then what they are paying for?
             
            After all… that’s what a surplus means… paying for what you DON’T get.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          The Orwellian Right has made the “half truth” argument into an art form. One can take ANY plausible side of an issue and stretch it to cover everything… even if it’s well into the ridiculous. And so it is with the “only spending cuts” argument. These right wing loons never have to acknowledge Bush’s irresponsible tax cuts. Nope… deficits during the Bush Junta? All SPENDING!!!!  Can’t get a job in a depressed economy? It’s YOUR fault.  What’s most revealing is the half of the argument the Orwellian Right is deflecting attention from.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      So in Arnie’s world of Orwellian Math, spending cuts alone will reduce the deficit faster than those same spending cuts PLUS new revenue. And in Arnie’s fiscal dementia we can see why the Right can NEVER be trusted with fiscal matters. Theirs is a POLITICAL agenda hiding behind claims of fiscal responsibility. The Right NEEDS massive deficits and debt to accomplish what they want: the weakening or destruction of New Deal and Great Society programs THEY’VE ALWAYS LOATHED. The Right has NO intention of giving up using the government to benefit THEIR constituency… the wealthy and business. They just want to sabotage government for the rest of us. It’s amazing that these low-IQ right wingers can’t see through the smokescreen and are stabbing themselves in the back.   

    • MaybeYouWillUnderstand

      Edgar –

      Maybe when the bond market makes your life miserable you’ll understand it’s 1968 all over again, for different reasons. 

      Many people’s lives are already miserable and spending cuts are exactly what the elite want chumps like you to expect and enact.

      Just like Vietnam was termed a ‘war of attrition’, this is an economic ‘war of attrition’ on the middle classes all over the world and you’re behaving just like your Dad did about Vietnam.

  • ProtectingParasiteBanksters

    In a series of deals, Goldman Sachs bought Greek debt held in dollars or yen using euros, but for an off-market, made-up exchange rate.

    The inflated value given to the Greek debt resulted in an extra €1billion credit for Greece.

    This was to help Greece meet strict debt-to-GDP criteria to join the single currency laid out in the Maastricht treaty.

    This extra billion did not show up as Greek debt, though it would have to be paid back, in addition to the pay-out on maturity of the bonds, at a later date.

    Greece was allowed to continue borrowing as it hadn’t disclosed the debt from its currency swap deals.

    It borrowed as much as €5.3billion more because of the off-market deals, according to a Eurostat report.

    Continuing revisions of Greece’s financial figures in 2009 increased their
    borrowing costs and shoved them towards needing a bailout.

    Goldman Sachs sold the deals to the National Bank of Greece in 2005. The deals are due to mature in 2037.

    http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/249767/20111115/eurozone-crisis-greece-goldman-deal-sparked-debt.htm

    • ArnoldWalker

      Poor Greeks, they’re poor and stupid.

      • ProudButNotDeadYet

        Why don’t you give us your phone number or address and we’ll have some of the Greek compatriots look you up.

        You know, the ones suffering from all of the enforced ‘austerity measures’ – like some of nationals whose government sold them out to join the Eurozone.

        I’m sure they would be very happy to explain to you and show you how not-poor and not-stupid they are. 

  • StopProtectingBanksters

    Our taxes are going to the interest on the debt, not the principal.

    If you want to pay the principal down – then takeover the Federal Reserve System and have the US Treasury Department issue our notes.

    Throw out the carpetbaggers in the house and the senate every election cycle until this is done.

    It’s that simple.  No revolution necessary.  

    • ulTRAX

      Your claim is more naive as those right wingers who come here every day pretending spending cuts alone will pay down debt. At least they have a plausible, but laughable, theory. Yours is just laughable. 

      • StopProtectingBanksters

        Like most of our fellow citizens, your ignorance about the history of money, central banks, and the Federal Reserve System is a dangerous forbearance which our forefathers understood:

        “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.” – Thomas Jefferson

        History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by  controlling money and its issuance. – James Madison

        The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and  credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of  consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. – Abraham  Lincoln

        Issue of currency should be lodged with the government and be protected from domination by Wall Street. We are opposed to…provisions [which] would place our currency and credit system in private hands. – Theodore Roosevelt

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Who says I’m for the FED? My issue is with your assertion getting rid of it will magically eliminate $14.5 in debt. Seems you’d rather spew quotes than get to the meat of your claim.

          • StopProtectingBanksters

            ‘Magically eliminate’?  Where was that assertion posted?

            That’s right, in your own mind.

            ‘Spewing quote’?   Just fortifying my position by using the words of some great minds.

            Now, apologize for some of your asinine accusations or assumptions above and get on board.

            Who do you think your dealing with here, Modavations, et al. or Greggg? 

            By the way, the debt is over 15 Trillion at last count:

            http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html

            If the US Treasury took over the Fed, we could probably eliminate the debt in less than a decade – just a guess. 

            However, our economy would turn around more rapidly because we could lower tax burdens across the board instead of using taxes as a sponge to absorb the excess money the Fed prints or using them to pay off interest on an ever increasing debt.

            Money would be freed up for goods, services and investment.

            By the way, it’s not just my claim:

            “Taxes For Revenue Are Obsolete”, written in 1946 by Beardsley Ruml, the former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and published in a periodical named American Affairs.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/warren-mosler/taxes-for-revenue-are-obs_b_542134.html

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            As I suspected, your proposal is the equivalent of fiscal free lunch. No need to mess with hard numbers, revenues, spending, debt paydown schedules, political psychotics in Washington and political psychosis in the public.
             
            You assert it therefore it’s true.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            ulTRAX: “Who says I’m for the FED? My issue is with your assertion getting rid of it will magically eliminate $14.5 in debt. Seems you’d rather spew quotes than get to the meat of your claim.” 

            SPB vs SPB: 

            SPB: “‘Magically eliminate’?  Where was that assertion posted? That’s right, in your own mind.” 

            then in the same post

            SPB “If the US Treasury took over the Fed, we could probably eliminate the debt in less than a decade – just a guess.” 

            If that’s not just an assertion of some magical fiscal mechanism I don’t know what is. No hard numbers on revenues, spending, debt paydown schedules, etc.

          • StopProtectingBanksters

            Nobody knows. 

            Since its been about a 100 years since the US Central Bank has been privatized, any economical analysis would only be a guess, at best.

            “Fiscal free lunch”? – That’s what the private banksters already have.

            Go argue minutia with Modavations, Gregg, and Dave in CT, along with the rest of the whiners and complainers here who can not critically think their way out of this mess or even understand how we got here.

            I’ve backed you up on multiple occasions.  I’ve battled the trolls here under a hundred different monikers. 

            I’ve contributed hundreds of sources to correct misinformation, expose the propaganda and derail the disinformation agenda.

            All the austerity measures, spending cuts and tax hikes imaginable will not get us out of this debacle.  Iceland, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain, France… which country is next?

            I suggest you read some Murray Rothbard and get on the correct train before you miss your destination.

            Your less than gentlemanly manners preclude my apology.

            You seem to have no conception of the trap we are in.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Look, what I’m saying is quite simple. I’ve been for the abolition of the Fed and stated so here. I’m all for states setting up their own banks.
             
            What I object to is claim doing all of the above is some fiscal panacea for the mess we’re in. I don’t see any meat on the proposal only vague generalities and half-baked theories.
            I don’t see how ANY national banking system can fix the mess we’re in when we have two braindead political parties… and one goes further and is embracing fiscal psychosis. While it can be argued our system depends on a certain amount of debt, the bankers certainly didn’t force the GOP to pursue a slash and burn fiscal strategy where they hope massive debt will undermine Democratic programs.
             
             

          • StopProtectingBanksters

            The system is not the problem. It’s who is in control of the system.

            Just look at my posts above concerning the currency swaps Goldman and Morgan suckered European countries into so they could get ‘accepted’ in the Eurozone.  Look at how the banksters showed them to cook their books to take on even more debt.

            You don’t think our Fed had any knowledge of these shennanigans.

            You don’t think our Fed had any knowledge of how terrible the effects were from the Bush II administration’s tax cuts and blowing up the budget would in the long-term?
             
            And no one forced the Fed to not regulate the derivative market.

            And no one forced the Fed to backstop the 75 Trillion of BofA’s notional derivatives or JP Morgan’s 79 Trillion. 

            And no one forced the Fed to save the banksters in Europe or in the US. 

            And no forced the Fed to allow 4 or 5 boom/bust cycles to happen in the last two decades.

            The Federal Reserve System is neither federal nor a reserve.

            Taking over the Fed is not a panacea, but it’s a great beginning.

            Austerity, slash and burn policies are all part of a long-term strategy.  That’s why it’s happening everywhere.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            As for GS, clearly a parasitic force in the economy, I’ve advocated here they, and other Wall Street banks, should have been nationalized and broken up back in 08… and if not then by Obama.  

            “Just look at my posts above concerning the currency swaps Goldman and Morgan suckered European countries into so they could get ‘accepted’ in the Eurozone.  Look at how the banksters showed them to cook their books to take on even more debt.”

             This is one of those situations where GS can’t be fully blamed if they were helping Greece do what it wanted to do: conceal debt.  

            It’s like the problem of who’s to blame for the Crash of 08… Wall Street or the government for doing what WS wanted: deregulating them to the point the self-destructed.  

            In the end it may be more useful to blame a dangerously flawed free market ideology and not try to blame either party. Deregulation would NOT have made a responsible bank behave irresponsibly any more than GS made Greece behave so.

          • StopProtectingBanksters

            They banksters built a trap to take control of second tier central banks and their countries. 

            They are going to use ‘austerity’ to break the entitlement and pension contracts with their citizens.

            They are going to de-unionize, privatize, economically rape and pillage. 

            We’re next.

            That’s what banksters do – they plan ahead. 

            This ain’t about blaming a party.

            This is about holding the bag. 

          • StopProtectingBanksters

            Nobody knows. 

            Since its been about a 100 years since the US Central Bank has been privatized, any economical analysis would only be a guess, at best.

            “Fiscal free lunch”? – That’s what the private banksters already have.

            Go argue minutia with Modavations, Gregg, and Dave in CT, along with the rest of the whiners and complainers here who can not critically think their way out of this mess or even understand how we got here.

            I’ve backed you up on multiple occasions.  I’ve battled the trolls here under a hundred different monikers. 

            I’ve contributed hundreds of sources to correct misinformation, expose the propaganda and derail the disinformation agenda.

            All the austerity measures, spending cuts and tax hikes imaginable will not get us out of this debacle.  Iceland, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain, France… which country is next?

            I suggest you read some Murray Rothbard and get on the correct train before you miss your destination.

            Your less than gentlemanly manners preclude my apology.

            You seem to have no conception of the trap we are in.

      • Modavations

        Are you kidding me.I’ve never heard of any of those guys.Notice there are 0 reviews.I make more then that in my pre tax wages(not the last 2 years).I talked to my lawyer today and he said I can’t do a thing about you.We’re ready,however.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Yawn, in the end Moda, all your problems and your PARANOIA are your own doing. I tried to give you some advice about not giving our personally identifiable info on the web and what thanks to I get? You talk to your lawyer.

          Go screw yourself.

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      Curiously, Beardsley Ruml seems to be in favor of the Fed:

      Final freedom from the domestic money market exists for every sovereign national state where there exists an institution which functions in the manner of a modern central bank, and whose currency is not convertible into gold or into some other commodity. The United States is a national state which has a central banking system, the Federal Reserve System, and whose currency, for domestic purposes, is not convertible into any commodity. It follows that our Federal Government has final freedom from the money market in meeting its financial requirements.

  • ProtectingParasiteBanksters

    There are broad indications hinting that Italy and Greece are not the only countries that have used SWAP agreements to manipulate its budget and deficit figures.

    France and Portugal may be two other European economies which have resorted to similar manipulations in the past in order to qualify as part of single currency member nations (Euro Zone)…

    Though the Portuguese finance ministry declined to comment on whether Portugal has used currency swaps such as those used by Greece, it said Portugal only uses financial instruments that comply with European Union rules…

    Lump sum payments  in compensation for a transfer of pension liabilities in EU countries ( see spreadsheet on linked web page below):

    http://www.safehaven.com/article/15990/smoking-swap-guns-are-beginning-to-litter-euroland-sovereign-debt-buyer-beware

    As you can see, the French government has accepted 301 billion euros of pension liabilities for 16.2 billion dollars of upfont payments.

    Who want’s to bet if these liabilities are drastically underfunded? Either cut Greece some slack or jump into France’s ass.

    We shouldn’t have it both ways!

  • EuropeanBankstersCoup

    Indeed both Papandreou and Berlusconi had been respectively berated and belittled by Angela Merkel of Germany and Nicolas Sarkozy of France. It is almost as if Franco-German displeasure combined with the disapproval of the markets was enough to bring about regime-change.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099350,00.html

    The conclusion of his interview subjects, and indeed a large portion of the Greek population, is that Goldman Sachs, perhaps the most powerful financial firm in the world, has engaged in an economic coup against the nation, taking advantage of rife tax fraud to force Greek lawmakers to hand over the country’s public assets.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/07/greek-debt-crisis-a-goldman-sachs-economic-coup

    What is taking place is nothing less than a financial coup d’etat by the Eurozone’s rentier class. And it is one of history’s sad ironies that, at least in the case of Italy, this is all being engineered by an ex-Communist, who likely would have been chased out of the Italian Government (a la Juan Berlinguer) by a Cold War-driven CIA had this taken place but 30 years earlier.

    http://wallstreetpit.com/85811-a-financial-coup-detat-in-the-making

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