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Lourdes Garcia–Navarro On The Arab Spring

NPR’s Lourdes Garcia –Navarro, back from Egypt and the sands of Libya, on the new season of the Arab Spring.

A Libyan wounded youth holds up portraits of martyrs during the celebration at Saha Kish Square in Benghazi, Libya, Sunday Oct. 23, 2011 as Libya's transitional government declare liberation of Libya after months of bloodshed that culminated in the death of longtime leader Moammar Gadhafi. (AP)

A Libyan wounded youth holds up portraits of martyrs during the celebration at Saha Kish Square in Benghazi, Libya, Sunday Oct. 23, 2011 as Libya's transitional government declare liberation of Libya after months of bloodshed that culminated in the death of longtime leader Moammar Gadhafi. (AP)

The Arab Spring is deep in autumn now. Still challenging and changing the face of the Arab world from North Africa to the Middle East. Still challenging onlookers around the world as they try to follow and understand exactly what is going on.

Today, we talk with a reporter who has been in the thick of it, from Tahrir Square to the deserts of Libya. NPR’s Lourdes Garcia-Navarro has seen it all. Reported it deeply. So has her husband, Times of London Mideast correspondent James Hider. They’re with us.

This hour On Point: giving witness to the Arab Spring.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Lourdes Garcia–Navarro, NPR correspondent covering the Middle East and based in Jerusalem.

James Hider, Times of London Middle East correspondent.

Photos

Lourdes Garcia-Navarro in the On Point studios. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

Lourdes Garcia-Navarro in the On Point studio. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

James Hider in the On Point studios. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

James Hider in the On Point studio. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

From Tom’s Reading List

NPR “NATO’s role in Libya was crucial to the rebellion that toppled Moammar Gadhafi, but that assistance came at a cost, according to some Libyans.”

NPR
“This was the day so many here had been waiting for, a dictator dead, a new country born. In towns and cities and villages, there was fireworks and feasting that lasted into the early hours of the morning. The formal announcement of the end of eight months of bitter fighting came in Benghazi – Libya’s new leaders wanting the liberation ceremony to take place where the uprising began on February 17th. “

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  • Terry Tree Tree

    Thank you, Lourdes, for what sounds like authentic, researched reporting in an area that is difficult for a reporter that refuses to ‘stay at the hotel, and report from the bar’!

    • Hidan

      I wouldn’t throw praise on her just yet.  She did a terrible job in libya. She totally missed this or chose not to report it. She found a way to change the definition of looting to removing goods. Rarely reported anything on how african immigrants were being target for violence’s,rape and murder.

      Read the below

      Ethnic cleansing, genocide and the Tawergha
      http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/09/26/libya-ethnic-cleansing-tawargha-genocide/

      The Tawargha have been ethnically cleansed
      The main town of the Tawergha region, Tawergha itself (aka Tawargha,
      Tawurgha. Arabic: تاورغاء), was a town of an estimated 31,250 people (United Nations Environment Program,
      2005).  It has been emptied of its entire population: its people having
      either been killed or fled, amidst reports the remaining population in
      the area are being picked off as they try to find water and food. The
      town of Tawergha lies about 30-40 miles south of Misrata/Misurata, 
      along the western coast of the Gulf of Sirte. Areas of Misrata occupied
      by the Tawargha have also been ethnically cleansed, according to the
      Wall Street Journal.

      Amnesty has  reported on the allegations ‘that members of the Tawargha tribe’ have fled their homes and:

  • Hidan

    Thanks Navarro for not reporting this. Though Tell me more did have a HR worker on briefy talking about this but the cleansing of 30k people seem not to have been important enough for ATC or ME or TOTN or any NPR reporter for that matter. Yet we have Some liberals praising obama for a job well done in libyan. Seems once again protecting black civilians was not on the Nato NFZ list.

    http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/9005-libyan-rebels-accused-of-ethnic-cleansing-black-genocide

    The al-Qaeda-linked
    rebels’ campaign of racist terror began shortly after the Benghazi
    uprising in February. More than a few videos surfaced on the internet in
    the early months of the conflict showing brutal lynchings and beheadings while Western-backed rebels cheered.

    But as insurgent forces solidify their grip over most of Libya, the
    race-based persecution is quickly intensifying. Entire cities and towns
    formerly occupied by blacks have been ethnically cleansed and destroyed.

    “The Brigade for Purging Slaves, black Skin” — apparently a rebel slogan — was found
    months ago scrawled all along the road to Tawergha. And today, the
    coastal city of about 10,000 mostly black residents has essentially been
    wiped off the map.

    Rebel forces rounded up remaining inhabitants and reportedly took them to camps, although reporters
    searching for the former residents have not been able to locate them.
    Homes, businesses, and schools were then looted before being burned to
    the ground.

    “NATO and U.S.-backed rebel forces in Libya are reportedly engaging in
    systematic attacks against the black population in what some analysts
    have called war crimes and even genocide, sparking condemnation
    worldwide from human-rights groups and officials.

    Reports and photographic evidence indicate that numerous atrocities
    including mass executions have taken place even in recent weeks. Many
    black victims were found with their hands bound behind their backs and
    bullets through their skulls.

    Horrific internment camps,
    systematic rape, torture, lynching, and looting of businesses owned by
    blacks have all been reported as well. And countless sub-Saharan
    Africans have been forced to flee their homes in Libya to avoid the same
    fate.”

  • Hidan

    Gadafi a bastard but these rebels are equally as nasty they even sodomized the guy.

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/111024/gaddafi-sodomized-video-gaddafi-sodomy

    Human Rights Watch have expressed their concern about the rebels
    interfering with mass graves which will make forensic work to discover
    the perpetrators of massacres difficult.

    According to Amnesty International the Libyan soldiers “executed for
    refusing to kill protesters” in Al-Baida were in
    fact murdered and filmed for the world’s media by the rebels, which
    only came to light because amateur video of the victims whilst in rebel
    custody surfaced.

    http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/09/26/libya-ethnic-cleansing-tawargha-genocide/

    NATO air support for the assault on Tawergha

    The NATO bombing in support of the attack is recorded in the NATO press releases from the time:

    10 August: In the vicinity of Tawurgha: 3 Command and Control Nodes, 2 Military Storage Facilities.
    12 August: In the vicinity of Misratha: 1 Military Facility, 1 Ammo Storage Facility.
    13 August: In the vicinity of Misratah: 4 Anti-Aircraft Guns.
    13 August: In the vicinity of Tawurgah: 2 Military Vehicles, 1 Anti-Aircraft Guns.

    The actual assault was from 10-13 August so we can see NATO played an
    important role in the ethnic cleansing of this town, an ethnic
    cleansing of which they had been forewarned and in which they decided,
    nonetheless, to participate.

  • Hidan

    How Fkd is this? And of course the Prized Reporter Lourdes Garcia–Navarro and NPR reporters seemed to miss the whole thing.

    Mahmoud Jibril’s complicity in the crime of genocide

    Sam Dagher of the Wall Street Journal reported
    September 18th that Mahmoud Jibril, the National Transtional Council
    Prime Minister, rubber-stamped the wiping of the town off the map in a
    public meeting at the Misrata town hall:

    “Regarding Tawergha, my own viewpoint is that nobody has the right to interfere in this matter except the people of Misrata.”

    “This matter can’t be tackled through theories and textbook
    examples of national reconciliation like those in South Africa, Ireland
    and Eastern Europe,” he added as the crowd cheered with chants of
    “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is greatest.”

    The WSJ goes on to report:

    Now, rebels have been torching homes in the abandoned city 25
    miles to the south. Since Thursday, The Wall Street Journal has
    witnessed the burning of more than a dozen homes in the city Col.
    Gadhafi once lavished with money and investment. On the gates of many
    vandalized homes in the country’s only coastal city dominated by
    dark-skinned people, light-skinned rebels scrawled the words “slaves”
    and “negroes.”

    Take Note obama defenders.

    ““We are setting it on fire to prevent anyone from living here
    again,” said one rebel fighter as flames engulfed several loyalist
    homes.”

    What amazing success.

  • Hidan

    Tom you mind even asking Navarro why she and most of NPR has been silent on Tawergha?

    Maybe,

    -Taking the government line over actual objective reporting?
    -Choosing to ignore news and information that may conflict with the set story line?
    -subservience to the Government to keep access to leaders?
    -Fear of attacks by the rebels?
    -deliberate attempts to omit information deem politically hurtful to U.S. government propaganda machine?
    -The use of embedding which slants reporting? 

    It’s seems very hard to believe that Navarro had no clue what the rebels were doing nor NPR when even the BBC who often partners with NPR was  reporting some of the abuses.

    BTW the many of the Rebel TNC have openly stated any protest for Gadafi or against the TNC will be dealt with force and  grounds being killed. They also mention the new libya will be run by sharia law first and foremost.

    What’s Funny is how so many were against the far more secular Egyptians democracy but see no problem with the more radical TNC

  • VelvetHandcuffs

    Wake me up when someone mentions the CIA.

  • VelvetHandcuffs

    Wake me up when someone mentions the CIA

  • Jo

    Could you discuss the silence from the press and the UN about the Egyptian Bedouin smugglers that are stealing organs!  The bodies of African refugees
    trying to go to Israel have been found in the Sinai desert with organs missing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      Where are these missing organs going???

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen and Bahrain look like legitimate revolutions.

    Lybia and Syria looked like CIA backed coups.

    • http://profiles.google.com/caleb.b.king X X

      Here is what happened in Libya:

      The Libyan “revolution” did actually BEGIN as a legitimate uprising and then – in a series of stages – was quickly co-opted by both American & British intelligence forces and a NATO alliance, after the latter realized that a new – capitalist – government presented a quicker and much more profitable opportunity for their patronizing firms to seize Libya’s oil on the cheap than the path offered by alternatively negotiating with and threatening Gadaffi, whom almost all of the heads of state of the major northern European countries and the US had embraced as their darling, with scores of visits and hosted conferences, replete with gifts and embraces, only a year prior.  Just do an image search of the following names followed by the word “Gaddafi”: Blair, Brown, Burlusconi, Sarkozy, Obama, H. Clinton, Putin, etc…considering the almost unilateral condemnation of Gadaffi by the same figures, following about a 2-3 week “assessment” period after the initial popular demonstrations took place, the results are more than sickening.

      As evidenced by the reports that came out about Tony Blair and his minister, Baroness Symonds’, dealings – on behalf of his pimp, BP, – with Gaddafi in 2010, as well as the thick score of meetings he was arranging with the leaders of Western powers, it is clear that the now deposed dictator realized that, after the potent example of the completely unjustified invasion of Iraq, whose justifications were fully and intentionally manufactured by the Bush and Blair administrations, he began to fear – rightly – for the fate of his own regime and its nationalized resources.  Thus, he began to offer sweet exploration and drilling deals to BP and others, in hope that he could stave off an outright invasion with a measured stream of concessions.  [People should definitely read up on the Blair-Symonds-Gadaffi connection as well the involvement of the SAME players with BP, BG and Shell in relation to the Bush administration's plans to invade Iraq in meetings that occurred in October 2002.  Wiki: Downing Street Memo, 18 November 2004 Iraq Document Leaks, Habbush Letter, Agent Curveball, as a start (there'a s log more where that came from)].

      At the outset of the popular uprising, we will note that Obama and others remained silent and then, after working out their alliances with the interested parties in Europe (mainly Italy, France and the UK), saw their golden opportunity to go for the gold by betraying fully the man they had just embraced months before as their friend and partner.  This waiting period is key, because it demonstrates, among other things, that the powers that be were genuinely taken aback and had to reshuffle before proceeding with a position.

      We must recall that the so-called “Transitional National Council” was composed with key figures from Gaddafi’s tyrannical regime, whose chief, Mahmoud Jibril, was the head of Gaddafi’s National Economic Development Board. There, and in key meetings with NATO and OTHER western bodies during and after March 2011, he pursued the following agenda, according to an August 28, 2011 article in Peace Reporter, a figure in the Italian Press:

      “This anonymous technocrat in his sixties, hitherto unknown to the chronicles, was the key man for years in Washington and London within the regime of Colonel Gaddafi. As director of the National Economic Development (Nedb) of the Libyan government, Jibril worked to facilitate the Anglo-American political and economic penetration in Libya promoting a radical process of privatization and liberalization of the national economy.”

      Is it any surprise that THIS mercenary of the WEF is the man who was “chosen” (by whom?!) to represent the entire nation of Libya to the most powerful consortium of countries in the world – who just happened to have an extreme vested interest in the exports and continued exploration of Libya’s substantial oil reserves?

      The composition of the T.N.C., furthermore, did not solidify until shortly before the NATO alliance was announced.  There were reports of massive groups of protesters in Tripoli and elsewhere chanting “this is our own movement…NATO stay out of this!”  There were also reports on alternative media of grassroots protests groups opposing the Transitional National Council and even now, who are calling for its leadership’s abdication.  That makes sense, because the resources that are rightfully the property of the people of Libya – NOT that of the 6 supermajors: BP, Shell, ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, Chevron, Total – should not constitute the bounty for the watered-down, sham version of liberal democracy that the subjects of political theater in the western nations must tolerate, if they are still employed and not clinging onto dear life with the last vestiges of state assistance remaining before living in the street is but the vocation of the starving.

      Let the Libyan people thrive: return to and preserve full national ownership of all state energy reserves.  The only thing to loose from an alternative course of action is prosperity, dignity and freedom.

  • Anonymous

    I’m very skeptical of the Arab Spring.  Egypt is going to be run by either the military or the Islamists as no other group is organized enough to fill the power vacuum.  The Coptic Christians aren’t going to fare much better than the pigs did in the response to swine flu fears there.  The Libyan rebels contain many al Quida sympathizers and members.  The despots being deposed aren’t any great loss to the world, but without a secular culture that does not exist in the Islamic world, democracy is going to merely going to result in a theocracy. 

  • Archibold

    It was a great night last night at Royal Sonasta Hotel – WBUR’s Annual Gala.  Lots of nice dresses, great food, networking with Tom Ashbrook, WBUR Staff, et. al.

    Something interesting here:  Outside of the Hotel, there was 9/11 Truth Movement – Protesting NPR/WBUR, in full force.  What was that all about. 

    Eventually, we went out and talked to them.  Listened to them.  What a rude awakening it was.  They were damn right.  There is a very serious and troubling cover-up and sort of hiding the Quest For a New Investigation. 

    After those conversation, we are all for it.  9/11 Events HAS TO BE REOPENED AND INVESTIGATED.  AND ONPOINT/WBUR SHOULD PLAY A LEADING ROLE.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Oh, please.  Why can’t you people ever evaluate the evidence and come to a reasonable conclusion?

      • Drew You Too

        Because people aren’t reasonable.

      • Anonymous

        Their tin hats are on too tight.

    • Brett

      Admit it, aren’t you really Jughead Jones posing as Archie?!?!

    • CrimeOfTheCentury

      220 stories of the most solidly built skyscrappers turn to dust before your eyes and basically fall into their own footprint…

      …and you nincompoops below think two commercial jets were hijacked with box-cutters, flown with fighter pilot precision by some guys who couldn’t even barely handle a simulator or fly a prop plane…

      …could create that kind of devastation?

      Your brains have been muddled from watching too many Hollywood movies.

       

    • ReasonablePeople

      Judy D. Wood is a former professor of mechanical engineering with research interests in experimental stress analysis, structural mechanics, optical methods, deformation analysis, and the materials characterization of biomaterials and composite materials.

      From 1999 to 2006 Dr. Wood has been an assistant professor in the Mechanical Engineering Department at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. Before moving to Clemson she spent three years as a postdoctoral research associate in the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Tech…

      Dr. Wood is an expert in the use of moiré interferometry, a full-field optical method that is used in stress analysis, as well as materials characterization and other types of interference.
      Dr. Wood started to question the events of 9/11 on that same day when what she saw and heard on television was contradictory and appeared to violate the laws of physics. Since that day she has used her knowledge of engineering mechanics to prove that the collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers could not have happened as the American public was told.
      http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/bio/Wood_Bio.html

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    I see that Hidan–the supporter of any regime, so long as it’s Arab–has done his work in the wee hours of this morning. . .

    • Hidan

      What a bigoted “so long as it’s Arab” and unsupported “I see that Hidan–the supporter of any regime” comment.

      Professor Camp today’s winner of the Modavation award.

      • WeeHours

        Also, notice how GC comments, ‘the wee hours of this morning’ when it wasn’t even midnight yet when the posts were made.

        Must be way past his bedtime.  Got to get up early, ya know, and feed those bigots.

        Notice the deterioration of their critical reasoning skills since GC, Gregg and Modavations, et al., keep getting called out, challenged and proven wrong.

        It’s interesting to watch their rational behavior short-circuit and become inoperable.

        • Hidan

          Dudes supposedly a professor to bat.

  • Speedybullet

    Ashcroft should keep quiet for a while and let his guests talk

    • Brett

      Speedy, it’s ASHBROOK…

  • Kevin

    Lourdes Garcia-Navarro’s reporting has resonated with so many of us. She inspires a sense of vicarious noble adventure, where we can be in exotic places and be part of momentous events while at the same time doing service to humanity and trying to present and share the truth with accuracy.

    Her reporting has struck a chord, and I hope it inspires the goodness and high aspirations in the new generation of reporters and journalists to objectively seek and report the truth with courage and bravery.

    Kevin

    • Hidan

      Really? Didn’t seem to trouble you on her response on Tawergha? She claims she knew.Yet choose not to report it on Morning Edition? or Talk of the Nation? or All Things Considered? One would think the Listeners of these programs would like to know or at least it’s worthy for a spot light? You know the whole killing blacks because there black thing? Or how the P.M. supported such action?

      Only play it got was on Tell Me more

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141827615

      “A tour of Tawergha on Friday showed widespread vandalism. The school,
      clinic, small shops and modern apartments had been ransacked, with some
      rooms burned and contents of closets strewn on the ground.
      Human
      Rights Watch said its team saw militias and individuals from Misrata
      set 12 homes on fire during a three-day period in early October. On Oct.
      25, the team saw trucks drive out of Tawergha with furniture and
      carpets that had apparently been looted, and that Misrata fighters who
      claimed to be guarding the town did not intervene.”

      For the past two months, Tawergha has been a ghost town, with access
      roads blocked by earthen mounds and other obstacles. Road signs pointing
      to Tawergha have been painted over. Misrata brigades have scribbled
      slogans on the walls of abandoned homes.
      “The
      Tawergha are the rats of Gadhafi,” read graffiti on one facade, using
      Gadhafi’s derogatory name for his opponents. The fallen regime had tried
      to ensure Tawergha’s loyalty with promises of jobs and investment, and
      while some of the homes there were ramshackle, the town also boasted a
      modern school, medical clinic and rows of new apartment buildings.

  • MarkMyWords

    I don’t understand this.
    Saddam had #1 spot in Israel’s Enemies of the State List.  We know what happened to him.  Saddam was always always against Israel.

    Last year, Gaddafi was the #2 on Israel’s Target List …. and we also what happened to him.  Gaddafi always spoke against Israel.

    Is our tax dollars and our Soldiers do the Clean Up work for Israel?
    Don’t understand this.

    I wonder when a few guys in USA with fake Iranian Passports will do something bad.  Next thing you know … chanting USA USA, and then the Bombers rushing to Tehran (Yes, that’s where Ahmedinejad lives), instead of questioning the Authenticity of the Fake Passports.

    Mark My Words

  • Someone

    I find it vaguely amusing with the “concern” expressed about being monitored everywhere they went, of having to watch their every move… and here in the US we are trying to justify EXACTLY the same ability… see the report on Supreme Court ruling on GPS tracking…

    Seriously?  We are “concerned” when government has the ability to track everyone when they are in Syria, but feel it “prudent” to allow it on American citizens.

    Seriously?  Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy here?

  • JustAddWater

    No conspiratorial coincidence here:

    About a half-dozen Arab nations have almost instantaneous ‘home grown revolutions’ within about a  year and no one balks at the foreign funding of these soft ‘regime changes’. 

    “Of course, one needs only remember the feigned ignorance exhibited by the US State Department, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, along with the litany of lies purveyed by the mainstream media to see a disingenuous plot in motion. This is because everyone from the US State Department and the corporate owned media had been involved, for years, preparing to bring the “Arab Spring” to fruition.”

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/04/official-arab-spring-subversion-us.html

    Why do you think the military stood-down while people were in the streets in Cairo – they knew that soon they would be in power.

    Why do you think the elite gave Barry the Nobel before anything even took place – they knew that soon he’d be such a good actor-in-chief.

    Pre-commissioned, pre-planned, pre-organized, pre-arranged.

    Spontaneous… viral… complete with a Madison Avenue slogan?

    More like, set ‘em up – knock ‘em down, dominoes.

    The Arab people and you just got played.

    • AndStir

      At least, James Hider did mention the Muslim Brotherhood once.

  • cory.

    I still don’t like the term “Arab Spring”.  It sounds more hopeful than the evidence should merit.  The collapse of few autocrats isn’t enough to convince me yet.  How hopeful would it be if these dictators are replaced with oil fueled corporate plutocracies, for example? 

    • Hidan

      Don’t worry about oil, the U.S. is gearing up to attack Iran over it’s WMD that the CIA states does not exist. Sure the talking head will claim by attack Iran the Iranians will welcome us as heroes and it will pay for itself.

      deja vu anyone?

  • Hidan

    So the caller points out NPR lack of coverage over the flight of African and attacks by the TNC rebels her excuse was we reported the african “community was treated very badly”, “it was a complicated picture” “we have seen they were treated extremely badly” “What we seen is people from Mirata hurting them down”

    Now find Navarro reporting this on NPR?………?…….

    Her husband

    “You do have a bit of sympathy for people your around and it sad what’s happening.”

    Navarro a disgrace to journalism much like Dina Temple R.

    • PassThePulitzer

      Garcia-Navarro is being used by NPR not to provide ‘journalistic integrity’, but to convey an ‘emotional facility’.

      Like the first caller mentioned, when she hears one of her stories she has to stop what she’s doing and hangs on Garcia-Navarro’s every word while she becomes transported to another country. 

      That’s not journalism.  That is just description, complete with audio sound effects for background. 

      Garcia-Navarro is not suppling any information beyond the details necessary for the listener to create a visualization from her storytelling.

      That’s just like most MSM reporting that’s passed off as journalism today – ‘How, does that make you feel?’ 

      Garcia-Navarro may be brave, but relaying virtual environments through description so that listeners can project themselves into them with their imaginations is not journalism, it’s storytelling.

      As Garcia-Navarro described an event herself, “It’s like ‘Grand Theft Auto.”

      Where is the “who, what, where, why and how” of journalism?

      Watch, she’ll probably even get a Pulitzer for this stuff.

       

  • Hidan

    Notice Navarro came on to talk about the arab spring yet no mention of the crackdown in Bahrain or Eastern Saudi A or even Despot U.S. ally?

  • SuppositionWasThere

    Notice how Garcia-Navarro said a few times:

    “The supposition was there.”  Concerning the executed bodies she saw near Qaddafi’s compound when she and her crew arrived.

    And she continued… “It was later proven that they were Qaddafi Loyalists.”

    Sounds more like a CIA, Special Forces Operation, or a mercenary hit-squad came in and eliminated any ‘threat’ and executed the ‘bad guys’ before the rebels and Garcia-Navarro even arrived.

    Here’s the Garcia-Navarro/NPR viewpoint (Even scooped the BBC):

    Sometime before we arrived…

    Some ‘pre-rebels’ infiltrated the compound and were running around with zip-ties just looking for some Qaddafi Loyalists to round-up.

    And when they found them, they took the time to line them up on their knees, tied their hands behind their backs, then killed them one-by-one, execution-style.

    … before we got there.

    Remember, Garcia-Navarro describing how terrible the decaying corpses smelled and the amount of flies around the bodies?

    Remember, how she described the rebels behavior when they first arrived at the compound amid all the chaos?

    Possibly, a ‘red flag’ pointing out a ‘black flag’ operation?  

  • http://profiles.google.com/caleb.b.king X X

    Here is what happened in Libya:

    The Libyan “revolution” did actually BEGIN as a legitimate uprising
    and then – in a series of stages – was quickly co-opted by both American &
    British intelligence forces and a NATO alliance, after the latter realized that
    a new – capitalist – government presented a quicker and much more profitable
    opportunity for their patronizing firms to seize Libya’s oil on the cheap than
    the path offered by alternatively negotiating with and threatening Gadaffi,
    whom almost all of the heads of state of the major northern European countries
    and the US had embraced as their darling, with scores of visits and hosted
    conferences, replete with gifts and embraces, only a year prior.  Just do
    an image search of the following names followed by the word
    “Gaddafi”: Blair, Brown, Burlusconi, Sarkozy, Obama, H. Clinton,
    Putin, etc…considering the almost unilateral condemnation of Gadaffi by the
    same figures, following about a 2-3 week “assessment” period after
    the initial popular demonstrations took place, the results are more than
    sickening.

    As evidenced by the reports that came out about Tony Blair and his minister,
    Baroness Symonds’, dealings – on behalf of his pimp, BP, – with Gaddafi in
    2010, as well as the thick score of meetings he was arranging with the leaders
    of Western powers, it is clear that the now deposed dictator realized that,
    after the potent example of the completely unjustified invasion of Iraq, whose
    justifications were fully and intentionally manufactured by the Bush and Blair administrations,
    he began to fear – rightly – for the fate of his own regime and its
    nationalized resources.  Thus, he began to offer sweet exploration and
    drilling deals to BP and others, in hope that he could stave off an outright
    invasion with a measured stream of concessions.  [People should definitely
    read up on the Blair-Symonds-Gadaffi connection as well the involvement of the
    SAME players with BP, BG and Shell in relation to the Bush administration's
    plans to invade Iraq
    in meetings that occurred in October 2002.  Wiki: Downing Street Memo, 18
    November 2004 Iraq
    Document Leaks, Habbush Letter, Agent Curveball, as a start (there'a s log more
    where that came from)].

    At the outset of the popular uprising, we will note that Obama and others
    remained silent and then, after working out their alliances with the interested
    parties in Europe (mainly Italy,
    France and the UK), saw their
    golden opportunity to go for the gold by betraying fully the man they had just
    embraced months before as their friend and partner.  This waiting period
    is key, because it demonstrates, among other things, that the powers that be
    were genuinely taken aback and had to reshuffle before proceeding with a
    position.

    We must recall that the so-called “Transitional National Council” was
    composed with key figures from Gaddafi’s tyrannical regime, whose chief,
    Mahmoud Jibril, was the head of Gaddafi’s National Economic Development Board.
    There, and in key meetings with NATO and OTHER western bodies during and after
    March 2011, he pursued the following agenda, according to an August 28, 2011
    article in Peace Reporter, a figure in the Italian Press:

    “This anonymous technocrat in his sixties, hitherto unknown to the
    chronicles, was the key man for years in Washington and London within the regime
    of Colonel Gaddafi. As director of the National Economic Development (Nedb) of
    the Libyan government, Jibril worked to facilitate the Anglo-American political
    and economic penetration in Libya
    promoting a radical process of privatization and liberalization of the national
    economy.”

    Is it any surprise that THIS mercenary of the WEF is the man who was
    “chosen” (by whom?!) to represent the entire nation of Libya to the
    most powerful consortium of countries in the world – who just happened to have
    an extreme vested interest in the exports and continued exploration of Libya’s
    substantial oil reserves?

    The composition of the T.N.C., furthermore, did not solidify until shortly
    before the NATO alliance was announced.  There were reports of massive
    groups of protesters in Tripoli
    and elsewhere chanting “this is our own movement…NATO stay out of
    this!”  There were also reports on alternative media of grassroots
    protests groups opposing the Transitional National Council and even now, who
    are calling for its leadership’s abdication.  That makes sense, because
    the resources that are rightfully the property of the people of Libya – NOT
    that of the 6 supermajors: BP, Shell, ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, Chevron,
    Total – should not constitute the bounty for the watered-down, sham version of
    liberal democracy that the subjects of political theater in the western nations
    must tolerate, if they are still employed and not clinging onto dear life with
    the last vestiges of state assistance remaining before living in the street is
    but the vocation of the starving.

    Let the Libyan people thrive: return to and preserve full national ownership of
    all state energy reserves.  The only thing to loose from an alternative
    course of action is prosperity, dignity and freedom.

     

  • GlobalismInACan

    In reply to XX:

    In my opinion, your premise, ‘the Libyan “revolution” …was quickly co-opted by both American & British intelligence forces…’ is a naive assumption.

    One need only research the fomentation of the color revolutions, their funding and training resources, and their multi-national, inter-related intelligence agencies’ participators, to gain a more comprehensive, wide-angle view.

    Today, this is how imperialistic agendas with geopolitical objectives are achieved. 

    Whether deploying these methods are successful or not is another matter for interpretation and depends on your perspective.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution

    http://colorrevolutionsandgeopolitics.blogspot.com

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/07/advanced-course-on-color-revolutions.html

    • http://profiles.google.com/caleb.b.king X X

      The 11/03/11 article you referenced on “color revolutions” includes the following statement, which demonstrates its general cluelessness:

      “Indeed, it’s somewhat baffling that France or Italy would want to hand power to Rebels, outside of an election scenario.”If this author is so uninsightful as to not understand that this is EXACTLY what Italy and France (Italy being the largest European importer of Libyan oil) want, and that their leaders could care less about the status of women in Libya – as humanitarian concerns had a 0.0% influence on their decision to back the rebels – then one wonders at depth of its other conclusions.A reactionary, oppressive regime that is pro-privatiztion, pro-deregulation and pro-free trade – think Pinochet – is exactly what the 6 energy supermajors and their puppet presidents have designed for their client states.  The LAST thing they want is a broad-based participatory democracy…this could threaten their barbarous rapacity and demand that nationals receive the proceeds from resources extracted on their own territory.  Thus, the idea that the revolutionary council will further their restrictions on women’s rights while yet remaining strategically aligned with Europe and the US’s energy interests is the best of both worlds for the Supermajor oligopoly.A brief history lesson into the US’s other interventions, assassinations and para-military coups across Latin America, Africa, Central and S.E. Asia will reveal that this is a time-honored strategy: prevent participatory, democratic nationalism and strong civic institutions (education, free press, etc.) at all costs.

  • IfTheNameFits

    Where’s Edgar?

  • IfTheNameFits

    Where’s Edgar?

  • Kris

    Wishing Tom a speedy recovery. Please come back soon. It is not the same without you.

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