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Mitt Romney And The GOP

Will conservative Republicans back this man? Do they have to?

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, greets volunteers at a call center at the Fairfax County Republican Committee (FCRC) headquarters in Fairfax. Va., Wednesday, Oct. 26, 2011. (AP)

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, greets volunteers at a call center at the Fairfax County Republican Committee (FCRC) headquarters in Fairfax. Va., Wednesday, Oct. 26, 2011. (AP)

Mitt Romney’s been running for president since before 2008. He’s accomplished, rich, and raring to go. His Republican rivals for the GOP nomination have so far risen and stalled out without denting his campaign.

Rick Perry on debate troubles. Michele Bachmann on fury. Herman Cain, now, maybe, on sexual harassment allegations. And still Mitt Romney’s GOP poll numbers don’t really pull out of the 25 percent support range. Why? And is he inevitable anyway?

This hour On Point: Mitt Romney and the GOP. Will conservatives back this man? Do they have to?

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Karen Tumulty, National Political Reporter for The Washington Post.

Michael Gerson, columnist for The Washington Post. He was a top aide to President George W. Bush as Assistant to the President for Policy and Strategic Planning. His recent column “The Conservative Case for Mitt Romney” ran on Monday.

Richard Viguerie
, chairman of the conservative news and commentary site, ConservativeHQ.com.

Ryan Hecker
, a Houston political activist who founded the Tea Party’s “Contract From America.”

From Tom’s Reading List

Forbes “Rick Perry’s campaign is in danger of “flaming out,” going down in a blaze of mean-spirited claims as he attacks and tries to trash Mitt Romney with only modest success. Perry is also the best thing that’s happened for Herman Cain, because he keeps trashing Romney, driving GOP voters his way. Newt Gingrich is also gaining ground thanks to his superior idea stream, and experience in staying above the fray.”

The Washington Times “Rick Perry incoherently trotted out an optional flat tax, hoping perhaps that it would slow his plummeting poll numbers, but his devotion to the flat-tax gospel is even more indeterminate than Romney’s.”

Red State “Hours after the Politico’s Roger Simon accused the GOP of being racist, the Politico begins a sincere effort to destroy the black guy running to be the GOP’s Presidential nominee. The opposition dump on Herman Cain has begun in earnest. Before getting into the details, let’s pay attention to what this means.”

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  • Hidan

    What a tool.Guy will say just about anything to get elected. Even when it’s the total opposite from what he said the day before.

    • Michiganjf

      Just Like Cain and Perry… zero integrity among any of these Repugnicans, yet their idiotic followers could care less if they’re smarmy liars “as long as [their] side wins.”

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        One could say the same thing about many a Democratic candidate.

        • Campmore

          Greg Camp –

          Really.  That’s the best you can come up with?
           
          As a writer, such as yourself, I would think lamenting for any genuine candidate by your compatriots might help you wax prosaically.

          One could say more.  Could not one?

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            My point was to observe how easy it is to throw mud, but how hard it is to avoid hitting oneself at the same time.

      • Modavations

        Just like Obama and Biden,corrupt fish.Delaware incorporates all the banks and credit card companies.When Obama was asked why he bought his home from Rezco(in jail for multitudes os corruptions),for $300,000.00 below market,he said it was “boneheaded”

    • ToolGuy

      Check out the comment section after the 11/2 show, “When Machines do the Work”.

      Scroll down for the troll. You’ll see one of your least favorites getting what he deserves after each and every comment he makes.

      It’s about time and quite tasty.

  • ulTRAX

    What a spectacle. In a GOP field of crazy fundies, con men, liars, charlatans, and perverts… Romney, who is loathed by the base and has no credibility because he’ll say anything to become president, might be the GOP’s only viable candidate.
    Only in America can any weasel grow up to be president!  

    • Frank TheUnderemployedProfessi

      All of our conventional politicians are weasels regardless of which party they subscribe to.  In terms of basic economic policy, the Republicans and Democrats might as well be one party.

      Both parties support globalization and wish to subject the U.S. labor force to Global Labor Arbitrage.  Both parties support foreign outsourcing.  Both parties favor H-1B and L-1 visas.  Members of both parties have supported illegal alien amnesty.  Both parties seem to support mass immigration.

      We need to throw all the bums out!

      • ulTRAX

        It’s easy say “both parties” support globalization but I’d say that’s inaccurate and this is easy to see if you look at the votes.

        If we were to look at those who opposed the policies that most sabotaged America… free trade and deregulation of the banking and commodity sectors, as well as irresponsible tax cuts… we’d find the liberal wing of the Democratic Party… as opposed to the corporate DLC Dems.  

        While I have no use for the Democratic Party except as the lesser of the evils, and I’m to the left of these liberals in that I favor a true multi-party democracy based on proportional representation… it would be a mistake to lump all the incumbents together.

        The issue isn’t as simple as GOP vs Dem… it’s Right vs Left… or as Jim Hightower would say the top vs the bottom.  

    • Modavations

      Has anyone ever seen Barney Frank and Ultran in the same room?

    • Modavations

      When Pres.Obama was in the Ill.Senate he said,we should never raise the debt limit!!!We must live within the our means.This debt will kill our children.Anyone who would vote to raise the debt limit is corrupt and on and on.The problem with an idealogue is their hatred clouds their judgement.Ya,Ya, we all know it’s Bush’s fault.If Romney had a “D” next to his name,he’d get your vote

      • ulTRAX

        Don’t lecture me on the debt you hypocrite. I’m a debt hardliner while you pretend to be playing the Orwellian Right wing game that revenues don’t play any role in budgets.

        • Modavations

          Representative Frank,clean yourself up.You’ve got spittle all over your shirt.

        • Modavations

          For the 57 time,Orwell was a communist, who saw the light.He loathed the Left.He thought of you as Totalitarians.When he heard the word “Progressive”he would gag.Perhaps the most Orwellian device I’ve ever heard, is you using him in your diatribe.

          • ulTRAX

            For the 58th time the term is ORWELLIAN not Orwell. As I’ve demonstrated before, my usage is correct. Time to deal with reality Mooda. Up to it?

            Didn’t think so.

        • Modavations

          Eric Blair(Orwell is his “nom de guerre”)said ,England is the only country whose Intelligensia is ashamed of their nationality.They get their cuisine from Paris and their politics from Moscow

        • Modavations

          The English Intellectual Class ,is more ashamed of standing at attention, during”God save the king”,then stealing from a poor box.
          George Orwell-Eric Blair

  • Brett

    Mitt, lose the Brylcreem…I guess I’ll listen in, if nothing more than to hear how this saga spins this week.  

  • nj

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/01/316040/romney-solamere-ponzi/?mid=51

    Exclusive: Romney Family Investment Group Partnered With Alleged Perpetrators Of $8 Billion Ponzi Scheme

  • http://www.pohlberkpersonalinjury.com/practice-areas/insurance-bad-faith/ JohnC

    It’s nice to meet the candidate! 

  • Michiganjf

    Good God!

    What a line up of guests!

    This will REALLY put Romney in perspective.

    I can’t wait to hear all about his brilliant, consistent positions throughout his stellar career.

    I better wear some shades for this one…

    • Modavations

      Why bother to listen.No matter what the guy says,you’ll vote D.Of course,if D was next to his name,he’d get your vote.

      • nkj

        Ass-ume much?

  • LostHisMittens

    Hi-

    I’m Mitt Romney, you don’t know me, but… wait, I don’t know me.
     
    Well, whatever you think of about me, is what I think about myself. 

    You know, I’m just like the current guy in the White House… only whiter.

    Give me your vote and I’ll promise to do whatever you think I should do.

    By the way, at least I was a governor once.

    Go Red Sox, I think.

  • Frank TheUnderemployedProfessi

    I haven’t paid a huge amount of attention to the Republican primary, but from what I can tell, all Romney really needs to do is to sit back and allow the competition to self-destruct.

    First, Bachman seemed like a formidable challenger, but she’s down in the polls now. Then Rick Perry looked like he would take the nomination, but now he’s down in the polls. Right now the flavor du jour seems to be Herman Cain, but he’s in the process of self-destructing.

  • Drew You Too

    I have a comment for Romney…

    pfft

    And I won’t be changing my position on the issue.

  • Yar

    I live in Kentucky, just last week I got a robo-call asking me if I would support Mitt Romney, I am a registered as a democrat, why is a national opinion polling firm be calling me? 
    Tom, you need a historian on your panel today, when has the country ever been so divided?  The end of President Lincoln’s first term comes to mind.  Today we are in a generational civil war.  It is difficult to fight with one’s own children, but as a nation our political discourse is about where we invest our resources.  
    In 1864 Kentucky was one of three states that would not vote for Lincoln, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectoralCollege1864.svg

    maybe that is why I am getting robo-calls more than a year before the general election.

    • JustSayin

      Agreed, but it is more than that. Its also a financial, religious, social, and psychic war being fanned by the top five percent. Divide and conquer as they steal everything they can before the real war begins, and they flee to their mansions in any of the socialist nations.  

      The Waffle House terrorists are what bubbles up out of the fear button being constantly pressed by a unrelenting and brain dead media circus. Conservative media inciting the stupid and weak minded to create the chaos that they warned was coming.

  • JustSayin

    Mitt Romney is a cuttlefish. He adapts his coloration to hide within whatever environment he is standing in. The penultimate feckless politician.

    National voters should listen to what the people of Massachusetts have to say about his “governance”.  That’s the real empirical primary opinion.

    • Chris B

      Disparaging to cuttlefish!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    Politics in the USA are disgusting,  I can’t bear to listen to any political speech, whether democ. or repub. for even a minute.  The whole concept is made even more insulting when the media discusses this rigged process as if it were for real.

    Millionaires and billionaires running for office backed by corporate campaign funds and powerful lobbies.   How many Americans really believe any of these clowns represent interests other than the very wealthy and lobbies like Israel’s AIPAC.

    The OWS people have the right idea about democracy, albeit a little mislead by a few gatekeepers.  The truth is that the people have more political power in the streets than in a rigged voting booth.

    • JustSayin

      Past a certain tipping point of mistrust, even if the country had an honest and competent media reporting on actual factual data, and not the lazy whores that they actually are, then nothing they put out there will be believed.

      I don’t know how many times I saw it reported that BOA backed down on banking fees because some girl put up a website and gathered signatures.

      The unreported truth was that BOA was hemorrhaging account holders moving to credit unions. But such is the power of BOA and their protecting media family that this girl was put up as the sole reason for the change.

      The only power that can control the top five percent is consumer money and how the consumer uses it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Its not about the Media being “lazy” but to be sure, they are “whores”  – bought and paid for.   The MEDIA is the biggest obstacle in the US to true democracy.   THis powerful entity is in the hands of just a few and moves in lockstep…. even NPR.

        Its impossible to watch local or national news.   Clowns and bimbos all reporting the same selected story,  and practically at the same time on every network.  And if the obnoxious commercials and loud lead in sound effects dont chase you away, the complete lack of informative news will.     All the real news is on the internet and it helps if one can read a few other languages.  

        Americans are among the most uninformed people on the planet.

        • Modavations

          The media is bought.GE owns NBC,MSNBC,CNBC.In the true fascist sense(fascism is a free enterprise economy, where the party owns the boss),Jeff Immelt works for Pres.Obama.Stephanopoulis(?)was Pres.Clintons right arm man

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          All the real news is on the Internet?  You’d have a hard time passing my Composition I class with that belief.  Anyone can put up a webpage.  What are the standards?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Hey Greg,   

            Are you saying that any literate person cannot find a wider range of news on the internet??  than by watching network or cable news?

            Keep in mind that Fox News and CNN, BBC and local kid-got-run-over-by-a-truck news is ALSO on the internet.

            ARE YOU SERIOUS??

            And if you are a composition teacher that discredits the internet for a source of info… you are a fraud that should be dismissed immediately.   I hope you are teaching writing courses at the YMCA and not a reputable community college.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            My point is that anyone’s trained squirrel can put up a webpage.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Hey Greg,   I try to ignore the trained squirrel web-sites.

          • Modavations

            Good work dude.I saw on Brokaw the other day, that 34% of 4th graders read at proficiency.Little Zulu kids,being taught under a Boabob tree, are brighter then our kids

          • TFRX

            He’s right in that everything true is on the internet.

            But you’re also right in that the signal to noise ratio is pretty high.

    • Modavations

      I predict the camp sites will be deserted ,in one month.Mayor Bloomberg ,yesterday, said the financial collapse resulted from Congress,CRA and Fannie Mae,not the banks. Mommy,the homeless people keep peeing on my tent.When I got back from the Tom Tom session,they’d stolen all my stuff.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Unless a real game changer like Ron Paul get into office, which is unlikely,   the same ol clowns that are running are going to be like the red flag in the bull ring.  

        I foresee an America with lots of angry people in the street,  and not just homeless bums and upper middle class college kids.

        • Modavations

          This can all be solved with Term Limits

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Term limits want change a thing… It will allow politicians to speed up to feather their nests. 

            Corporate and private campaign funding as well as lobbies must be outlawed.

          • Modavations

            At this point of the game,isn’t it worth a try.The fuse is burning

  • Rob (in NY)

    As a registered Republican, here is my take on the GOP field:  

    1) 
    Mitt Romney: 
    I can live with Romney as the nominee. 
    I admire his success in business (as a Founding Partner of Bain) and do
    not care who his father was.  An
    individual who is a Foundng Partner of a 
    business as successful as Bain Capital is impressive.    I agree that he is more of an opportunist
    (as are most politicians) and can be wishy washy on issues, but his background
    as a successful executive (business experience, Olympics, and as a moderately
    conservative GOP governor of a liberal state) appeals to me.  In his heart, I think he is a conservative,
    but unlike a Reagan he feels guilty about being successful and having made a
    lot of money, which makes less prone to promoting larger ideas.  At the end of the day, solutions to the major
    long term economic problems are going to take the form of center/ right
    compromises or center/left compromises, rather than somnone who believes he (she) can impose a hard ideological agenda
    if for no other reason than neither party is going have close to 60 votes in
    the  US Senate.    The
    jury may still be out on Romney to me, but he is at least smart, which is more
    than I can say for Perry and some of the others in the field.     I
    believe Romney could lead a competent center/right administration, similar to how Clinton
    led a competent center/left administration.   

    2)     Newt
    Gingrich:    The best political
    strategist in this field.   He is also an
    excellent debater and matches up well with Obama in the debates, but this does
    not mean he would win the election (e.g. with a  ton of prior baggage).  He is also prone to gaffes (call him Biden
    Jr.), such as prior orphanage comments as House Speaker, clash of civilizations
    rhetoric after 9-11.   After the rest of
    this field self-destructs, I believe this race is going to come down to
    Gingrich vs., Romney, with Ron Paul staying in the race because he has a strong
    15% base of support and he wants to influence the agenda more than anything
    else.

    3)     
    Ron Paul: 
    I have increasingly come to admire Ron Paul as an elder statesman and
    the conscience of the Republican Party when it comes to discipline in
    government spending.  However, it strikes
    me that he is still more focused on influencing the message of the ultimate
    nominee  than being elected to the
    Presidency and producing tangible results.  
    The reality is that any President will need to compromise to some extent
    and the perfect should not be the enemy of the good.  

    4)     
    Herman Cain: 
    I like Cain’s business / executive experience, and willingness to think
    out of the box and promote at least some big ideas (whether we like 9-9-9, it
    is a big idea), but the lack of any political experience leads to gaffes like
    the fence electrification comments.   He
    is prone to being labeled as an extremist with these comments and I would  also prefer the nominee for President have at
    least some prior experience in elective office. 
    I would like to see Cain seek a US Senate seat and possibly emerge as a
    nominee in another election cycle.  We
    will also see where these sexual harassment claims go.   

    5)     
    John Huntsmann: I like Huntsmann and can live
    with him as the nominee, but it seems more like he is running for Sec of State or
    Treasury in a Republican Administration.   

    6)     
    Rick Perry:   
    I am extremely disappointed in Perry. I thought that I was going to like
    him. After watching him in some of these debates, I’m not impressed with him at
    all. His hammering on Romney for stupid stuff makes him look weak and petty.   While I do not think debating skills are the
    ultimate predictor of success for a President, they do have some
    importance in the election.   Perry is such a poor
    debater that he comes across as a fool. 
    I can forgive one poor performance, but not a trend and he seems to be
    getting worse, not better. 

     

    7)     
    Michelle Bachmann:  A complete joke.  Would prefer 4 more years of Obama as she is
    less qualified than Obama was in 2008 with regard to executive experience in  either government, business, and academia or
    substantive legislative experience.   She
    appeals to a certain populist grass roots voter, but she comes across as
    uninformed with  so many absurd comments
    that are downright wrong

    8)     
    Rick Santorum:  
    My take here has always been that he is a religious nut who thinks he is
    leading the US in a crusade and is Chair of the committee to  start WWIII

    • Rob (in NY)

      Sorry about the formatting issues making this harder to read.  I like to cut and paste from word

    • http://www.jobwaltz.com JobWaltz.com

      Good post. I support Ron Paul, but I think your analysis is fair.

  • Patrick

    The best thing that can be said about Romney is that, in a pack of avowed lunatics, he’s probably the least sincere.

    That’s probably why so many GOP voters are agonizing over Romney – they like their crazy straight up.

  • Gregg

    If the primary last to NC, I’m voting for Newt but Romney will do.

    • Modavations

      I have a pal in Dallas who says Perry’s the real thing.So far,I’m unimpressed.He does have a massive war chest, though.How was Bonnie?

      • Gregg

        I’ve got a buddy in Houston who says the same thing.

        Bonnie was awesome and sweet. Aside from the adorable grey streak, she had the reddest head I’ve ever seen.

        • Modavations

          I think she’s a Boston lady.I was raised on J.Giels band ,at the Boston Tea Party

          • Gregg

            I saw them with the Stones in ’75

  • Adks12020

    I’m an independant.  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.  The ONLY republican candidate i would consider voting for is Hunstman.  He’s consistent, intelligent, has worked in national politics and worked for both sides of the aisle.  Too bad he’s going nowhere fast.

    Romney, on the other hand, can’t decide from one day to the next what his policy positions are and I think that would really hurt him if he were to get the nomination…let alone if he got elected.  He hangs in there because out of the current “front runners” he’s the only one that seems even remotely sane.

  • Margbi

    Until we adopt government financing of campaigns (fat chance with the R. house!) politicians will continue to act as bagmen for the networks. What else do we expect different from the current crop?

    • Ellen Dibble

      I heard a news blip yesterday that one state was voting to repeal Citizens United, and so I searched just now, and I see that over 2 million signatures are on a petition at just one site, http://www.change.org/petitions/repeal-citizens-united-end-corporate-personhood, and “repeal Citizens United” turns up lots of people and states looking to get Congress to change the personhood of corporations and change the terms of their campaign funding.  It’s odd I haven’t heard more about this; you’d think it would be a huge issue to “crowd-source” and get out front with.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    I love the above photo that Onpoint included.   I would love to work that room and talk to each of those happy white folk, and find out what company, federal agency or affiliation they have to Mitt and even to Bain Capital.   These are the bottom feeding beneficiaries of the political process, hoping for an administration job or a contract.   Happy happy people – FAIRFAX county people who ALL LIVE OFF THE GOVERNMENT DOLE in one way or the other, but back Romneys aversion to govt health plans and social services.  

    The happy white people in the above photo from Virginia and Maryland are the biggest welfare queens in the USA.

    The system works so well for them,  always has.  All those generous govt paychecks, contracts and salaries has kept their overpriced homes and townhomes, in and around the Beltway, above water.   Happy happy people.

    • Modavations

      Paolo,what’s with the “white people stuff”?D.C. had no recession because it’s all hacks.It has an average family income of over 120,000.00.The State of Vt., however,has more people employed by State Govt., or Fed Govt., then any state.I was in a restaurant in Waterbury,Vt.(breakfast), a month ago.Some guy walked in(probably from Manhattan),took a look around and said ,lthis is the whiteist place I’ve ever seen.

      • Modavations

        per capita,that is

      • American #1234

        Deja vu- Didnt you say that the other day? Sounds familiar or was it someone eles?

        • Modavations

          Different audiences every day.

          • nj

            Same crap everyday with Moda-troll.

      • Ellen Dibble

        Are you saying Vermont is the saddest state because it is whitest?

        • Modavations

          Madam………..

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        The happy people in that Fairfax photo are pretty white.  I am sure that Mitt will eventually include tokens as his campaign progresses.  However the photo is quite revealing.

      • BHA in Vermont

        Where did you get your facts? What I find is that the median household income in D.C. (2009) was just shy of $60K. The most recent data I find is here: http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/10/washington-dc-has-highest-median.html (don’t know the validity of the source). It shows the DC METRO (not D.C. itself) average household income at $84,523. Not everyone making $120K plus WORKING in D.C. LIVE in D.C.. In fact, I would guess most of them do not.

        And yes, Vermont is the ‘whitest’ state in the country. I can’t explain why, there aren’t any ‘immigration police’ that only let white people move here. You might want to visit the Burlington area though. More diversity here. Still REALLY white, but not as white as the less populated areas.

        Yeah, I know, you people in places like Boston don’t think of Burlington as being highly populated. Still, at 42K+ it is the largest city in the state by a fair margin. The next two largest are around 16-18K.

        • TFRX

          Maybe there just isn’t the call for agricultural labor in VT the same way it is in the news in GA and AL this week, ergo fewer migrant laborers.

          And, whiter than Maine? Really?

          Thirty years ago I’d have added New Hampshire to that list.

          • BHA in Vermont

            Maybe not, I found a “fill in the top 20 ‘percent non Hispanic white’ states” game, don’t know if it is accurate or when the data was presumably valid. It gave Maine as 97.1 and Vermont at 95.5. Must be the refugees who have moved here in the past few years. :)

            Followed by West Virginia (95.2) and New Hampshire (93.1)

          • TFRX

            Thanks. I guess the agriculture idea holds.

            In my state we have had migrant workers told they’d be going from Honduras to North Carolina, then having agriculture company confiscate their passports and ship them hundreds of miles north.

            I don’t know how warm it is in Honduras, but I know my state is colder than North Carolina this time of year!

        • Modavations

          I stand by $120,000.00.The point is it’s “hacked to the max”.I’m a rep and know every road in Vt..By the way,I love Vt.!!!

      • nj

        More dispatches from the Moda-troll Bureau of Disinformation.

        Median household income (there’s no such thing as “average family income”) for D.C. in 2009 was about $59,000.

        Vermont public employee claim is bogus.

        More worthless drivel.

    • Ellen Dibble

      Are you the same Caruso that I usually disagree with?  I agree that those Americans who are hugely happy and successful are the beneficiaries of the way the government has worked for them, and it perplexes me that the people on whose backs this has been accomplished don’t see it.  Does this have to do with that which we don’t understand?  And when the Powers That Be align themselves with our religious fear of the unknown, as if they were a pharaoh, then we have government based on ignorance, which is not exactly the same as informed democracy.  But when you have both Democrats and Republicans more or less working for the lobbyists and campaign funders, saying of course, we are the powerhouses of the economy, how else are we supposed to vote?  Yes or no, this or that, we get more of the same.

      • Steve

        We are all hard-wired to want to be in Le Club – this is what  politicians seek to exploit.

        Once we are accepted as members in Le Club it is much easier to denigrate those that are not so capable/fortunate.

        The real mystery is why there are occasional flashes of insight.

        • Beez

          Speak for yourself.

        • Ellen Dibble

          Have you looked at the constituents of “le Club” lately?  I think the idea of aspiring to membership in Le Club is completely gonezo.  There is actually no “club” that self-defines as the admirable place to be right now. 
             Or where exactly do you live, anyhow?

        • Ellen Dibble

          Have you looked at the constituents of “le Club” lately?  I think the idea of aspiring to membership in Le Club is completely gonezo.  There is actually no “club” that self-defines as the admirable place to be right now. 
             Or where exactly do you live, anyhow?

          • Modavations

            Gonzo Madam

          • Anonymous

            No, I think she’s correct, as she is referring to being gone.  You, on the other hand, making up your own facts in a wild and crazy way to tell a story with no objectivity, replete with made up first-person accounts that support your claims, are gonzo.

            Wish Hunter S.Thompson was around to write about fear and loathing in the financial sector. 

          • Modavations

            I was thinking Thompson.My appologies

    • Gregg

      Why interject race? Were you upset ant the OWS pictures that were all white. Ditto the abortion thread. The color of ones skin is meaningless.

  • Rob (in NY)

    Tom,  please focus on the latest state polls in the early states (e.g. Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada) rather than these meaningless national polls.  If these national polls were a predictor of primary success, Rudy Guiliani and Hillary Clinton would have both had a lock on their respective party nominations  in December 2007.    All of these state polls have Romney running either first or a close second to Herman Cain.   Romney appears to be holding a strong second to Cain at 23% in South Carolina, which is not his home turf.  In my opinion, if Romney sweeps Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina (e.g. or even takes 3 of the first 4 including Nevada), it is game over.     
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html

  • Anonymous

    Mitt Oh Mitt, are you the sanest of this parade of sociopathic parasitic populist polititicians? Are you not a mere psycophant to the vociferous ultra-extreme rightwing spouting vitriol and demanding blame be allocated to the poor, the alien, the “different”, and the government… who demand morality and law and order but have no problem defending the 1 percenters, none of whom have been prosecuted for the greatest bankjob in the history of mankind?
     
    Mitt Oh Mitt, weren’t you against Romney Care before you were for it?
     
    Mitt Oh Mitt, do you wax nostalgic for the days of growth and prosperity when Reagan was president, America was the world’s top lender, we had responsible physical policy and didn’t raise taxes and the middleclass prospered, didn’t negotiate with terrorists, upheld the law…. wait, Reagan raised taxes on the wealthy and lower classes as well, increased our debt to well over 20% of GDP,  NAFTA heralded the outsourcing of jobs and the war on the middleclass began as the 99%ers started loosing ground under his policies. Reagan sold surface to air missiles to a terrorist nation and helped create Saddam Hussein via funding through the CIA and we actually shipped chemical and biological weapons materials to him… Doh! Here Mitt, here are your rose colored glasses you can put them back on now.
     
    When will the Republican party field a candidate who doesn’t need the boatload of boogeymen to present a better alternative?

  • Anonymous

    Breaking Developments: In the wake of Perry’s flame out and Cain’s on-going meltdown, anti-Romney forces have found a new man, a man who lives vicriously through himself – yes, The Most Interesting Man in the World!

    Insiders realized academic economists fret that he may, by the very ebullient fact of his being, prove the existence of a free lunch; and, in a bold stroke, have drafted him into the GOP Primary process. The next debates should prove… well, Interesting.

    In an exclusive – behind the scenes look – we have obtained working campaign press materials suggesting the emerging theme turns on “One Nation Unquenchable”: http://goo.gl/6Ikt9 and “Just Stay Tax Free My Friends”: http://goo.gl/KfUSK

    … more as the story unfolds.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I like Mitt Romney but I like him to serve in the private sector creating jobs instead serving his fellow Americans from the White House.

    • Anonymous

      Naw, he’ll just carry on outsourcing mania that has gripped boardrooms across the nation. Call them the job destroying elite speculators.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        You think so? As I said before he will never win the Presidetial election because he been there and done that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    Happiest people on earth are the people who don’t have debt.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      The smiles on the pics are fake.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Must be someone told a good joke just before the flash.

  • BHA in Vermont

    My guess is Romney is not ‘inevitable’ but I think his numbers will go up as the “also rans” like Bachmann drop out. When there are only two or three choices the remaining candidates will necessarily have to split the polls. 

  • Dave in CT

    Wow, Egypt military looking to be above the civilian law?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    Though I do not support him I do see Mitt Romney as the most well rounded and most electable candidate in the Republican field. The only major factors that I see hindering his chances are Evangelical bias against Mormonism and his lack of fire and emotion in the debates. Do you think these issues are affecting his chances?

  • TFRX

    I
    hope Karen Tumulty doesn’t forget to mention that there’s a witness to
    one of Cain’s imbroglios.
    http://www.ktok.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119211&article=9339922#ixzz1cZwdqbOC

  • Marc Prufer

    It is my belief that Mitt Romney is still a 10 year old boy that was told by his ambitious father “you will be president someday!” after his own failed bid.  I have the distinct impression that after he won the MA governorship — he lost interest in the job almost immediately and only saw it as only a stepping stone to the presidency.  I think that he wants trophies — governor, president, etc.

    • Al

      I lived in Massachusetts, I now live in a neighboring state.  Trust me, Massachusetts was just a resume item for Mitt.  I liken it to working with the poor (but not LIKING the poor) in High School, so it looks good on your application to Harvard.

  • Casey Carbonneau

    Mitt Romney is the conservative Obama. The hardcore members of his party dislike him, but they’ll vote for him just so the other guy doesn’t win.

    • Dave in CT

      Good ol’ status quo, coming our way…..

    • Denis

      So you speak for the Democratic Party? All the Democrats I know here in Iowa will continue to support President Obama without reservation. That does not mean there are issues that we wish he might have handled differently. All presidents have to make decisions that all can not agree with on every occasion.
      Additionally, listening to these crazy pendants [ and Tom seems to call on these guys all the time] it is obvious the Republicans will lose the election. The only candidate in the Republican field that could challenge President Obama is Huntsman.
          

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    I just want to warn the American people the American Great Recession will be around for another 10 to 20 years. The next 4 president might have economic solutions but will not guarantee achievements.

    for me the solution is JoB.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      JoB?

  • SomMom

    As a Massachusetts resident who never voted for Romney, I feel he either misrepresented himself to us when running for office here OR has been repackaging and misrepresenting himself ever since he started running for president (which started after his 1st or 2nd year as governor here).  Healthcare is a good legacy here, but the man himself is not to be trusted.

    (Yet even I started to feel that he was at least on the right side of the climate change crisis [that is, on the scientific side] for a few minutes, until of course he flipflopped on that too… So I can see how some people might get taken in when he expresses their views.)

    • Kathy

      Well to be fair, it’s not like he really had any ideology when he was governor. He solved his budget problems by sticking towns and cities with the hard choices, then got on the bus and toured the country telling everyone how horrible Massachusetts was to prep for his Presidential runs.

      • TFRX

        For someone who doesn’t have enough juice with the right wing, you’d think this “run it to ruin it” schtick would please the GOP base more.

    • Joe in Philly

      Amen, Brother. If you know your Bible, Romney is what we call a “smooth man.” Heaven help us if this snake-oil salesman wins the White House.

      • Kathy

        What I can’t figure really is what he would do. It was clear he had no goals whatsoever for Massachusetts. The health care plan was mainly the legislature, though they let him take credit because they got cold feet. He didn’t really change anything in the way that say Bill Weld did. He just got elected and hit the road to campaign for the next office.

        I don’t care if someone changes his or her beliefs, but I’m really not sure Mr. Romney has any beliefs to change.

  • Dave in CT

    I don’t think Americans want Romney’s unprincipled, squishy, status-quo, crony-capitalism, mainstream Big Government GOP, any more than they want Obama’s banking politburo Democratic Socialism.

    Somethings got to give.

    • Beez

      Obama as president is hardly a democratic socialist. He’s been more of a conservative democrat. I do suspect deep down Obama is more liberal and “radical” than he has been, but the only person who really knows that, is probably Michelle.
       Democratic socialism is what we need in this country…at least a form of it anyways

      • Kathy

        We don’t need socialism, we just need sanity. What the American far right calls “socialism” — health care, old age pensions, public education, a safety net for the poor — is what the rest of the world calls “civilization.”

      • Dave in CT

        you skipped my banking politburo part.

        Europe isn’t doing too well.

  • Kathy

    The caller babbling how the nominees are to the center or center left is hysterical. This is insanity. It would be hard to even categorize the democrats as center left. The Republicans range from hard right conservative to extremist right wing lunatics. Center? Center left? You have got to be kidding.

    • Jim

      The republicans have moved the terms of debate so far to the right that it will probably never return to reality. The middle class will disappear, and the 99% will move into a healthcare-free Pottersville.
      The country may be washed up, but the 1% will maintain their lifestyle, which is acceptable to them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

    He is the only normal looking candidate in the Republican party. His tone and gestures are his greatest assets. he’s calm but dominant.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      but it does not guarantee him to be a President.

    • Proofr

      According to your requirements — we should elect a Great Dane as president.

      • Dennis from Omaha

        Hmmm….if corporations can be people, then why not a Great Dane?

        It would not be likely that he would live long enough to make the age requirements.

        A turtle might do…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        we are not talking about a dog to run for the presidency.

  • MJ

    Where does Romney live?  His home residence? Where is he registered to vote?  I understand laws require you must live/reside where you are registered to vote.  Does Romney vote In Massachusetts?  Is his ‘voting’ address where he actually lives, or is it the address of his son?  PLEASE follow up and report on this story because it goes to the very integrity of a person. Is he a liar or not?   

    • Ellen Dibble

      New Hampshire listeners who live on Lake Winnepesaukee will know the house on the lake, which I found a picture of here.  Woops, didn’t copy. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-07-10-1734462420_x.htm
      http://images.usatoday.com/Wires2Web/20070710/1734462420_ROMNEY_VACATION_HOMEx.jpg

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

        I love that lake.

    • TFRX

      You’ll know the right wing has sounded the death knell for him when Fox and such take up the “bunking on his son’s basement’s couch” voting fraud issue.

    • Anonymous

      I think he bought a La Jolla place a while back for $12 million, but had it torn down to make room for a nice replacement.  But guys like him don’t really “live” anywhere, as the rest of us know that term.  They have various “places” in which they spend time.

  • Dave in CT

    Big Government GOP Crony Capitalism Status quo, is not what the grassroots wants.

    • TFRX

      The grassroots wants whatever Americans For Prosperity’s AstroTurfers tell them.

      • Dave in CT

        Do you live in a log?

        Do you have any neighbors or family that are…….shhhhhh…. Republicans (let alone a grassroots tea partier)? Do you tell them to their face what naive, gullible, selfish and stupid morons they are? How all their silly ideas about freedom and personal responsibility are corporate propaganda, and how they are such A-holes for their concerns about the national debt?

        • TFRX

          Yep, I’m one of those lefties in my ivory tower who wants those virulent racists, misgynists and xenophobes (not to mention economically illiterate) to be mindlessly on my side.

          You so caught me!

  • TFRX

    Guests are conservative, WaPo, conservative, TeaParty.

    Our host could play devil’s advocate and come up with a Republican loser to compare Romney to.

    I’ve had enough of the media-wide habit of “disappearing” every Republican political failure.

  • Dave in CT

    People have wised up enough to know that 1/2 doses of antibiotics don’t do the job.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    The left just can’t get far-left enough. Every time one of these Tea Party or hard-left people open their mouths I smell KoolAid and dyed wool.

    • Scott B, Jamestown NY

      OOPS, meant “far-right”.  Have some cold medicine, Scott….

    • Kathy

      What the US far right calls “socialism” is what the rest of the world calls “civilization.”

      • BHA in Vermont

        The conservative right call “socialism” any program that concerns social welfare. They have no idea what socialism is.

        • Dave in CT

          but of course the left knows what free markets and rule of law are. Because you are smart and they are dumb. You are good and they are evil.

          • Anonymous

            In order to assist we ignorant leftists, name one place in the world where there are “free markets” so we can examine what you are talking about.

          • Modavations

            hong kong.You can get off the jet with one million in cash and they say welcome

          • Dave in CT
        • Modavations

          State companies and private companies

        • Scott B, Jamestown NY

          They want to lump “socialism” in with “communism”. It would help if those on the  Right weren’t so afraid of information that might prove them wrong (like new satellites and science in general) and would actually look up the definition. A libertarian “highway” is called “wheel tracks through a field.” 

  • Joe in Philly

    Brothers, it is an embarrassment that with the incredible talent this country has to offer that this is the best field of “leaders” that we can put forward. The only one who has acted “presidential” in this Republican side-show has been Huntsman (not that I necessarily support him). 

    So ask yourself why? Why do we have such a leadership void? Well perhaps part of the problem is the way we approach political finance and political access. We are becoming a plutocracy were only means leads to an end!Forget Romney. My bet is on Huntsman. And he will have to deal with an Obama / Clinton ticket.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Leaders don’t pander to the whims of the people.  We unfortunately get the politicians that we deserve.

      • Ellen Dibble

        I think in the 1840s, people bit the American dream in the Gold Rush, and either went around the tip of South America or over the Rockies to strike it rich.  Nowadays the striking it rich is still part of our DNA, but we think we can do it by manipulating the markets, or piggy-backing on the mathematicians who devise ways of doing that.   That piggy-backing is warping the finances globally worse than the Gold Rush ever did, I suspect, but the motivation is similar:  How to get a lot more than I deserve.

        • BHA in Vermont

          “but the motivation is similar:  How to get a lot more than I deserve.”

          I doubt they think that way, my guess is: How can to get as much as possible”.

          Oblivious the the fact that they could never spend it all if they lived to be 1,000. Not about need, or ‘deserving’, just “the most possible”.

    • Racquetime

      I agree that Huntsman is the only one that has acted and spoken with professionalism and more importantly courtesy.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve often thought about where we would be if the the caliber of the current crop of world leaders were in charge in the 30′s and 40′s. 

  • Dave in CT

    As a disgruntled Progressive values/Libertarian principles, I’d rather see a principled conservative than an establishment GOP or Democrat banking crony again.

    • Vermonter

      Is Bachmann a principled conservative?

      • Dave in CT

        Sounds like it. As an atheist, and more libertarian leaning than conservative, her social conservatism/potential authoritarianism would be very tough for me to swallow.

        • Ellen Dibble

          There is a difference between principled and rigid.  Bachmann, from what I heard in the last debate, would pull the US out of the United Nations.  Note, I usually don’t misremember, but I found that incredible.  If she does not believe in a global cooperation given the globalism of the environment and the economies, then I think the rigidity of her stances would be equivalent to war-mongering.  If you can never yield, compromise, appreciate and recognize differences, then you have someone who can’t negotiate very well, if at all.  Even if I agreed with all of her positions and felt I was exactly part of the particular purist creed she might embrace, I don’t want to think of entrusting a large, diverse country to her leadership.

      • Modavations

        Would you vote for someone who thought the revolution was fought in Concord,NH…

    • TFRX

      Principled conservative?

      There ain’t none left. You’re the last guy at the poker table who hasn’t figured out who the sucker is.
       

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        I hate to sound like a campaign aide, but what about Huntsman?  His day on this program made him sound principled and smart.  I don’t agree with him completely, but if an election were solely about the quality of the person, I’d vote for Huntsman with no hesitation.

        • Rob (in NY)

          I agree, but it strikes me that Huntsmann seems more like he is campaigning for a senior role in a future Republican Administration (maybe State or Treasury).  Regardless, here is an excellent Op Ed he wrote in the WSJ he wrote a couple of weeks ago regarding this whole concept of Too Big To Fail.  Whether you agree of disagree with his point of view, he makes a good case for his argument. Of course, Huntsman has no chance of winning the GOP nomination for President because he is an experienced executive and diplomat and it seems both of our political parties are increasingly attracted to only the angry partisans (e.g.  Bachmann, Perry, etc…) and the inexperienced who can give a nice speech reading from the teleprompter that makes us feel good (e.g. Obama)

          http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576635033336992122.html?mod=ITP_opinion_0

        • TFRX

          You don’t sound like a campaign aide, first of all.

          He does sound principled and smart. But when EvenTheLiberalCNN is accepting as the received wisdom that every GOP candidate is principled and smart (until Fox, Rush and Drudge get the orders that one of them is out of favor), Huntsman’s possibly genuine qualities don’t stand out.

          And as others have said, he may be too outsider. Too much a T.R. when they’re all Hannas looking for McKinleys.

          That’s why he’s polling at “rounding error” numbers. No reflection on him, just my opinion on how far right the GOP have moved their goalposts.

          • TFRX

            Shorter me: Principled conservatives may well exist but can’t win the GOP’s nomination nowadays. They can’t get anywhere with the base precisely because of these principles.

            (Yeah, I stepped all over my lede. Probably not a good thing to do to an English prof.)

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Wait a minute, Richard Viguerie–Obama is the most liberal candidate ever presented?  Huh?

  • Dave in CT

    Ron Paul 3rd party would be awesome.

    • Dave in CT

      Actually, another face, same message, as there is too much knee-jerk against Dr. Paul.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      I’m with you and might actually vote for him.  I disagree with his healthcare ideas, but it would be good to have a libertarian voice in the general election.

      • Dave in CT

        I hope whatever your views/disagreements with healthcare ideas, you will at least fight against the “he wants the uninsured to die on the sidewalks” smears and lazy thinking that keep him on the professional left’s and some mainstream’s, “never” list.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          No, I don’t characterize his ideas that way.  I just think that with regard to healthcare, he’s unrealistic.

          • Dave in CT

            I know you don’t, just meant we need more people to not let him be demonized by red herrings and false characterizations of his vision.

    • Anonymous

      That would be great.  He would Nader the Republican candidate.

  • manganbr

    Is Vigeurie for real about this “most important issue”? Personnel? So he “knows and loves” this Weber guy on Romney’s campaign, but, oh, he wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole? 

    A man who only surrounds himself with people who already agree with him surrounds himself with flatterers. 

    Vigeurie: “Americans may be ready to make a major ideological shift.” Are you living on this planet? What do the poles say about American’s willingness to raise taxes on millionaires? Or are you only counting “Real Americans?” That usually makes the numbers a lot easier.  

    • BHA in Vermont

      “A man who only surrounds himself with people who already agree with him surrounds himself with flatterers. ”

      A la GWB

      • Gregg

        What did Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi and Powell ever all agree on? Who in the Obama administration is not a “yes man”.

        It’s a bogus claim.

  • TFRX

    I’m sorry, but what guest called who “the most liberal” anything in 2008?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Richard Viguerie, Moses led the Hebrew people through the desert, and he was there from the start.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, please.  I’m so tired of this “Obama is the most liberal president ever” nonsense.  Obama is the best Republican president we’ve had since Clinton.  There are no truly liberal mainstream politicians except Bernie Sanders.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      who?

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Senator from Vermont.  Pay attention, please.

    • Vermonter

      He literally ran as a socialist in Vermont at one point.  Can you imagine his chances in a national election?

      • BHA in Vermont

        Zero and he knows it. Bernie has no Presidential aspirations.  But if he can get people to start to care again about the NOT rich, it will be of value.

        • Modavations

          Has anyone ever seen Ultrax and Bernie in the same room?

          • Demotivations

            Has anyone seen an witty or erudite comment from Modavations?

    • Modavations

      Obama is ,in my opinion,the worst President ever.He’s now resorted to stirring tthe mobs, to violence

      • nj

        You’ve given us precious little reason to place any value whatsover in your “opinion.”

      • Gregg

        That’s certainly his background. A “community organizer” is nothing more than an agitator. He wants this.

  • Vermonter

    What a quandary for moderates if Romney gets the Republican nomination in 2012.  With Romney, we don’t know for sure whether we’re  getting a moderate or conservative.  On the other hand, Obama promised change.  He then proceeded to bring in Wall St. insiders as his economic team, gave in immediately on single payer, backtracked on repealing the Bush tax cuts for high earners, and the list goes on and on.  I’d have no idea how to vote.

  • James Collings

    Romney will not be the nominee. The Republican base is conservative. The base is the majority primary voters. He won’t win. He can’t win!

  • Anonymous

    Anyone know where I can find that Huntsman commercial?

    That made me bust out laughing Daily Show Style.  I just love a good montage.

  • Jack o the Hills

    Bad enough to have the same foamy-mouthed crypto-fascist Richard Viguerie blowing the same inanities as he did last week; but the real ongoing sin is that these people are allowed to call themselves “conservatives”. Normal humans must stop dignifying these people by using the honorable word conservative on our ignorant-elite overlords… They are at best “right wingers” and you can wend downward for more  appropriate epithets in specific cases 

  • RCW

    To Mr. Viguerie; “Political Promised Land” and social conservatism are why Republican’s need to head to the center. Social Conservatism is increasingly associated with radicalism by most of the country. Radicals don’t win elections, generally popular candidates do.

    • Dave in CT

      More status quo! More Big Banking! More Big government to serve Big banking!

      Hey that has a nice slogan rhythm to it….

      I personally do not fear some religious candidate is going to impose christian/sharia law on us, nor that we would ever let it happen.

       What I fear more is continuation of the elite status quo Democrat/Republican Banking/War machine.

      • TFRX

        I personally do not fear some religious candidate is going to impose
        christian/sharia law on us, nor that we would ever let it happen.

        Nice false equivalency you got there, bub.

        Take your wife’s RX, move to Mississippi, and tell everyone at your church your wife takes the Pill.

        Maybe that’s scare some sense into you.

        • Dave in CT

          What?

          What’s the false equivalency I wasn’t trying to make? christian law would be better than sharia or vice versa? We would accept neither. I choose not to live in Mississipi. But you can go tell them what to think and do if you like, bubesse.

          • TFRX

            False equivalence:

            Sharia law is a threat to Americans as much as ideologues’ enforcing their flavor of Christianity over me and professed athiests like yourself.

            PS Good luck telling women “Libertarians are on your side and won’t let the Christian extremists take away your birth control”

            I can hear the sound of libertarians putting their feet down against that when you equate “Sharia Law” with “Christian Law”.

          • Dave in CT

            If you’d stand up for the rule of law, instead of poo-pooing it all the time in favor of who knows what, you could use the Constitution to be sure to stop christians legislating religion into our lives. You don’t need the Democrats to pretend to save us from them.

            PS, I understand you are a well-meaning authoritarian, I just disagree with the means to your ends.

          • TFRX

            You “understand” a lot of things.

            You’re in CT, right? You have a PhD. Next time you’re in a gaggle of fairly-well off Connecticut steady-habit suburbanites, with advanced degrees, tell them:

            “I’m here to protect you from the right wing self-labeled Christians who want to outlaw birth control, first in Mississippi, and then everywhere else. And I also want to address your concerns with the equally dangerous oncoming threat of Sharia law.”

            (And you also seem to have, like every libertarian and right-winger on this page, one of those apps which allows you to see my vocal inflection and non-verbal language through the internet. I gotta get me one of those.)

          • Dave in CT

            Why would I say any of that?  People in the Northeast would never legislate theocratic rule on themselves, or let some pud from somewhere else who wanted to, ram it down their throats.

            The sharia comment was a way of saying theocratic rule, sorry you’re so defensive about defending any kind of theocratic rule.I’ll tell the gaggle you say hi though.

  • Dennis from Omaha

    The big winner of the GOP debate is the Mormon church.

    They are the only community who is allowed to bring forward candidates who speak as responsible adults.

    The big loser is “protestant” churches.  They are presented as having been corrupted by the Dominion theology – paid for by big oil.

    The small loser is the Catholic church.  Their voice has been silenced.  The best chance the GOP had to rally the country was to put forward a pro-life candidate who could stand up to international oil and promote “compassionate conservatism” for real.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Our founder did not believe in small government. They had over 1000 committees during the Revolution, and were neck deep in the military-industrial complex and trying to see after their own best interests at the  same time wheeling and dealing. Oh, and all the while smoking the pot (not all their hemp was THC-free industrial help) they were growing in their field.

  • Joeamartini

    I think the majority opf voters are tired of the terms “conservative” and “Liberal”.  Extremism from any point of view is not good for this country and if one of the candidates had enough courage to step up and say this they would see there would be wide-spread support.

    As an Independent voter there is not one Republican candidate that is attracting my attention. The more they speak the more I find out why I find each of them objectionable.  Not one has the courage to embrace positions that are based upon facts rather than rhetoric.  Not one has the courage to take moderate or so-called “liberal” positions on isssues that clearly the majorioty of voters endorse.

    • BHA in Vermont

      “As an Independent voter there is not one Republican candidate that is attracting my attention.”

      Yep. Same here. Independent AND centrist. Listening to the ‘far’ of either party makes me ill.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Have you given Huntsman a chance?

      • Dave in CT

        More status quo? Nothing fundamentally wrong here? The status quo accepts the cronyism of Private/Public banking/social policy management of our country.

        It lets the elite keep their position, supporting the politicians who claim to act in our best interests, which we have empirically seen is just not true.

        Bill Black, Glenn Greenwald, Rule of Law, Accountability, bottom-up organic economics and choices.

        Tweaking the status quo does not seem ready to deliver that.

    • Steve__T

      Ron Paul

  • AWright

    Tom, the key to understanding Mitt is that everything he does is all about Mitt. Ever since his father – who was an honorable man – did not succeed in his run for president, Mitt has been determined to. Mitt will do whatever is necessary to win.

    • BHA in Vermont

      “Mitt will do whatever is necessary to win.”
      Which is true of every politician who changes his/her message through time and appearances. I think that includes, hmmmm, about 100% of them.

      • TFRX

        But Romney seems to be worse.

        First, Romney is not a “technocrat”.

        Do you know who the first technocrat was? My money is on Herbert Hoover, the “Great Engineer” of the American Relief Administration, which kept a large swath of Europe out of famine after its foodstocks, farm labor and farmland were decimated by WWI. He also helmed the first Federal Radio Commission, and the response to the 1927 Mississippi floods.

        These are the things we used to elect Republicans to do. Y’know, back when they believed in governance.

        (Note: I’m not trying to canonize him. For his time he was reality-based in many ways the modern GOP has abandoned. And the Great Depression caught so many Americans by surprise the first time around; there is no excuse for the Great Recession to do so.)

        Romney doesn’t have any polestar. He’s navigating a ship without a sextant. He’s beyond “When the facts change, I am liable to change my mind; what do you do sir?*” territory.

        And this reputation has been naturally accomplished without him being lied about.

        (*I forget who–famous philsopher.)

  • Marc Prufer

    If Romney has seats on both sides of the fence as a “flip flopper,” does that make him more appealing to independents/moderates? On the other hand, can any of us really say what side of that fence he will sit on as president?

  • Anonymous

    There was a time when the republicans believed that big government could solve national problems.  Is it possible that the Republican party has been hijacked by an idealogy of small  government, free markets, and tax-free rich and that people at some level  realize in today’s modern and complex world that blindly believing in an ideology is too simplistic?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Ryan Hecker,

    What’s wrong with Jon Huntsman?  He’s the best chance for Republicans to win the White House this time around.

    • Ellen Dibble

      Yes, but I think the movers and shakers see that he might not be as easy to manipulate as the others.  He might have a head on his shoulders.  So I think Huntsman has a longer row to hoe; he might find his sea legs by the NEXT election.  I’m hoping to vote for him in five years.

  • Anonymous

    Most of the country is not true conservative. These guys show the same ability to work with those who differ from them as does the current House of Representatives. That’s what we need more of. Sure.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Caller Barbara,

    What are you talking about?

    • Barbara

      See above.  I just got on here.  He sure did cut me off–I guess it is his show!  Made me sound anti Muslim click!

  • Ellen Dibble

    Is the man open to hearing people’s positions, insights, and concerns?  Is he willing to go back and forth with the person to zero in on where those concerns fit into his understanding of the wider Picture in the United States?  That’s what would make a successful leader.  Someone who can indeed adapt as he goes along.  George W. Bush in interviews specifically said you have to have fixed perspectives before you become president, because there is no time to grow those views while in office.  That is my best memory.  In other words, don’t expect a president to do any more flip-flopping.  
        I mean, there is a difference between paying real attention to your people and bending to the breeze.  As a Massachusetts citizen, I once was at a party of sorts, attended mostly by judges, and some lawyers, and he was one of the ceremonial guests, and he seemed to be hiding out in a little side room, peering out, no more.  He was “just” a governor, and I would have thought he would be interested in mingling.  But apparently no.  (That’s One person’s impression, but even long ago, he didn’t want to get into it with people who could have spoken intelligently with him.)

  • Catherine

    I believe if Mitt Romney gets the nomination, the election is over for the  Liberals.  Although the conservatives on the show believe Romney is not “their candidate”, the forget the majority of American’s fall towards the center.  Romney will win. 

    • Joe in Philly

      Sister Catherine, there is no way that Mitt will win against an Obama / Clinton ticket. Mitt is unelectable because he is fundamentally insincere and disingenuous; not that I underestimate the level of stupidity of the electorate to actually prove me wrong! In any case, after this terrible financial crisis, wouldn’t it be ironic that we put a private equity guy in the White House?!

  • Joe

    Why isn’t Cain’s remarkably poor understanding of China’s nuclear capability receiving more coverage?
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/282115/cain-china-gaffe-patrick-brennan

    • BHA in Vermont

      Perhaps a show on Cain’s lack of understanding about most everything related to Presidential concerns. Would probably need two.

  • CD in NY

    As I listen to Mr. Vockery I realize what a an extreme slice of the electorate he represents. I would ask him a few questions.   Who would he like to see?  Gover Norquist?  What does he think about what is happening in Oakland right now?  Is it  reasonable that no members of the so called ‘super committee’ will not use one of the tools of government as defined by the constitution. I do not consider myself very extreme, but I think you would label me a socialist or even communist. 

  • Al

    I hate that the least among us in the intelligence department go for style over substance.  Many might say that worked for Obama – fine.  I am still not in favor of it.  In fact, Obama has been attacked for actually signing better health care legislation by the very people pulling the strings.  If we would all learn what Dorothy learns in the Wizard of Oz, digging DEEPER beyond image would reveal that we REALLY need to educate ourselves before we vote.  We must CONTINUE to monitor our politicians and get special interest money out of Washington – let’s put K Street on notice.
    Mitt made money investing in companies, sure.  But Bain Capital’s specialty was sheltering income and wealth overseas.  Mitt is no less than an architect of the policies where wealthy pay even less taxes than their already lower (than middle class) tax rate would suggest.  The irony that these very people depend upon the police to keep the 99% protesters “in line” is not lost on me, it should not be lost on anyone else.
    Mitt and his “Corporations are people”, “I’m unemployed too” gaffes have already given the Dems the soundbites they need to turn a nation that is reeling further away from him.   But until we wrestle corporate control of media away and return it to the people – Mitt may live long enough to get in just like pro-business, gaffe factory George Bush did.

  • JCM

    If Bill Clinton ran under the pseudonym ‘Judas Iscariot’, he would get more votes from evangelicals than a Mormon. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2STBLZJK4VKQBV27DVQX3I6CU FAX68

      There a lot of Mormon the Philippines. they even wanted to buy my mother’s land but they have to destroy a Virgin Mary’s Grotto that survived multiple bombings by the Japanese during WW2.

      My mother refused to sell it.

  • Beverly Vetter

    If Romney is the nominee, where will the independent vote go?  Especially if Tea Party supporters will never vote for Romney, will there be enough independent voters for a Republican win?

    Beverly in TN

    • BHA in Vermont

      Your presumption is that the Tea Partiers will not vote rather than vote for Romeny. May not be true, there is always the “Obama is a 1 term president” issue to deal with.

      • Steve__T

        The tea party would vote for a (insert the stupidest thing you can think of) waring make up and a wig to get rid of Obama.

  • Christian

    I think Viguerie is one of these idealists who hasn’t an ounce of pragmatism. The vast majority of Americans simply won’t support his brand of conservatism.
    I don’t see how one can realistically reduce government as long as the US remains a world power. Perhaps if it became a neutral country like Switzerland it could reduce defense spending to a fraction of what it is now. That would be the first step in reducing the government.
    The US government expanded in large part because of WWII-so long as the right insists on a “strong” defense, we’ll never have small  government. Interesting that none of the conservatives are too worried about the growth of the huge national security apparatus i.e. Homeland Security in the wake of 911.

  • Alex

    So far I am hearing a pretty compelling case for voting for M. Romney. He is not ideological and prone to changing his positions depending on the circumstances. 

    • Steve__T

      By circumstances you mean $$$

  • Dave in CT

    This last caller is a banking status quo elite defender.

    • nj

      Like we have any idea to whom you Dave is referring.

      But any excuse to invoke one of Dave’s catch phrases.

  • TFRX

    Hey, which guest said, “When Reagan was governor of California he raised taxes, liberalized abortion and divorce laws”?

    That part has been retconned out of collective memory, as have the tax increases he he got in the White House, made necessary by his tax cuts.

    He is their saint, and as their idol, every non-right “sin” he committed has been wiped off the record books.

    • ulTRAX

      The Orwellian Right has radically rewritten the history of the Reagan era. They always neglect to say there were two massive tax hikes in 82 and 83. The Right dishonestly includes that revenue as “proof” there was a revenue boom from the 1981 tax cuts.
       
      Reagan’s big accomplishment wasn’t cutting taxes but creating massive debt and redistributing the tax burden downward. To lower the tax rate even further on the rich from 50% to 28%, in 86 he started to tax Social Security and unemployment.
       
      How goddamn noble.

      • Modavations

        Orwell loathed Progressives,Representative Frank

        • Demotivations

          And your point …

          Why bother?

          You can’t argue with sick mind.

      • Modavations

        Orwell…..
        England is the only great country, whose intelligensia is ashamed of their own nationality.They get their cuisine from Paris and their politics from Moscow

        • Demotivations

          And your point is?

      • Modavations

        The English Intellectual class is more ashamed of standing at attention during “god save the king”,then stealing from a “poor box”

        George Orwell

        • Demotivations

          And your point is?

      • Modavations

        What was left to tax.LBJ emptied the coffers to pay for Vietnam

        • Demotivations

          And your point is?

    • Thomas Terence

      Reagan also signed a law in California that said you couldn’t carry a gun in public.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Thank you, Tom Ashbrook, for smacking Viguerie’s silliness.

    • Dennis from Omaha

      The biggest criticism of President Obama is that he is extremely moderate.  But that is what we wanted in 2008.  If then Sen. Obama stayed in the Senate, we would still have had a moderate compromising style liberal.

      Our guest Viguerie simply WANTS to see an extremist.

      • BHA in Vermont

        Yes, we didn’t consider that there would be a “stand against anything Obama proposes even if we agree with it” “we lost the election” Republican stance. We thought a moderate president could get something done because he WASN’T far right or left, nor are his proposals.

        Well, it didn’t happen and with corporations now being “people” as far as campaign funding goes (and anonymous at that), the rich will buy a ticket for whatever candidate they like.

      • Gregg

        Obama is the most radically liberal President we’ve ever had. He seems moderate only to the way out extreme socialist.

        • Anonymous

          Obama is NOT the most radically liberal President we’ve ever had. He
          seems liberal only to the way out extreme right wing.

          Now we have heard from both sides, with equally compelling arguments.

           

          • Gregg

            And exactly who did the non-partisan Washington Journal rate the most liberal Senator in 2007?

          • nj

            Stupid rating system using bogus methodology that tries to quantify subjective judgements. It placed Ron Paul as the one-hundrend-and-something most conservative. No wonder Greggg cites it as a serious source.

          • Modavations

            Pres.Obama was rated the most liberal Solon.He endorsed a law saying that if an abortion resulted in a live birth ,it was still cool to club it

          • Gregg

            “Mr. Present”, if I recall, was the only one to vote that way.

          • Demotivations

            Pointless ratings.  Derogatory descriptions.  Typical Modivations.

        • TFRX

          The cute thing about this is that you think this is, like, CNN or such, and by introducing something like this totally unsubstantiated by fact you’re getting it to “ring” in other peoples’ minds on this venue.

          • Gregg

            It’s more substantiated that Dennis’ claim which I responding to. Who was more liberal? Perhaps I should have said “in my lifetime” but  “moderate” isn’t even close.

        • nj

          Life here on Earth is very interesting, if challenging, at the moment.

          Come and join us sometime!

  • Aranphor

    He is full of crap. Obama never campaigned as a Liberal.

  • Aranphor

    One thing about Teabaggicans, they think they are always right, but they are ONLY extremely right.

  • Denis

    Tom,  Courage up and continue what you lamely started – challenge your guest as he lies, lies, lies about Presdident Obama!

    • AndreaMitch

      why don’t you tell us where he’s wrong, so far he seems right on; obama’s an unmitigated disaster, you were foolish to vote for such a loser

      • Andrea_itch

        How hard is it hiding behind your hate?

  • TFRX

    Again with the “radical Obama liberal views”. Even Tom has had to call him on it.

    Don’t invite Richard Viguere back. Someone tell him this isn’t Fox News, and his “facts” may be subject to verification.

    • BHA in Vermont

      True, but if you repeat your “facts” often enough, they become “true” for a lot of people who remember the “fact” but not the context or anything that refutes the “fact”.

  • Steve

    Richard Viguerie is either:

         -delusional or
         -very scary

    Either way, i would rather keep him in plain sight.

  • Dnuijens

    That was hilarious.  Haven’t heard that many idiots in one place in ages.

  • Anonymous

    Richard Viguerie is preaching to the (increasingly shrinking) choir by describing Obama as an extreme leftists. “Extremism is in the eye of the beholder.”  Yes, Mr. Viguerie, and perhaps you need to be more mindful of the beholders on the other end of the airwaves who think you sound like an extremist. Do you care about changing minds or not? Most people with any sense of the political spectrum understand that there are more than a few shades in that spectrum to the left of President Obama.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    And where did this Herman Cain come from, and why has the media brought him to the lead ???

    I have my suspicions.    I was driving on a federal freeway a couple years ago and I saw a mercedes with a huge stand-up Herman Cain billboard on the roof.  All corners of the vehicles were adorned with Israeli flags.    I now see the media connection.

    But I did take the time out to listen to Herm Cain speaking with Judy W. on NewHour.    He is not that impressive nor bright.   He’s an opportunist who ignores the realities of his own ethnic people, and who is pro-defense industry.

    The Israelis are chomping at the bit to attack Iran,  and keeps tryng to drag the USA in deeper.   Netanyahu wont be happy until thousands more Americans trade their sons and daughters for a folded triangle flag… or a wheel chair ramp up the porch.   OBviously Cain is the guy who can accommodate this nightmare.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      There you go again.  Israel runs American foreign policy.  Of course it does.  How silly of us to think otherwise.

      Or could it be that one Mercedes does not a conspiracy make?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Indeed.  It would be silly to think otherwise.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Or perhaps it’s silly to think that Israel rules the world.

          Are you capable of making any comment that doesn’t somehow smear Jews?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            See Greg,  that is where your mind is selectively distorted.  Let’s say you proclaimed that Italians ruled the world and controlled US foreign policy,  I would take it as a compliment, but let you know its not true.   We have contributed immensely to mankind, but we don’t rule the world, nor do we want to.

            Israel will never rule the world, nor will international bankers.  The cat is long out of the bag and even the World Bank is effectively bankrupt.  This seems to be the coming collision, debt fueled capitalism vs the Third world,  and Israel vs the Middle East.

        • Modavations

          Paolo,Greg is right.You’re consumed with conspiracy.Again,a Palestinian citizen of Isreal, has considerably more rights,then his brothers on the other side of the fence.If you speak up in the territories,they’ll cut your throat,then kill your family

          • Demotivations

            Only if you were on the other side of the fence…

        • Plushkin

          do you dream of evil Zionists folding your blood into matzo balls at night, caruso? It must be quite a colorful `reality’ the one you live in, thanks for sharing these not so scarce snippets of it with us.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Hey Plush,  using hyperbole will not detract from reality that hundreds have suffered under Israel’s aggression.

            So just go on and bask in your perceived burden of racial hatred.  Woh is you.   You poor thing.  Enjoy !!!!

            BTW Maybe the Mossad should not have created such a nefarious motto if they didnt want to such draw such negative attention on their people.   I mean really… this “fear me Im a sneaky ruthless killer” nonsense has severe blowback.   You get more flies with honey….

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            I meant hundreds of thousands.

          • Plushkin

            yea, yeah we know. no worries.

          • Plushkin

            My point was that in your twisted mind you seem always to find a way to bring Israel into every discussion justifiably or not. As all regulars here, I’m sure, have already noticed this ability based exclusively on your bottomless knowledge, comprehension and outright believe in “Protocols”.  This makes you nothing more than an aggressive obsessive troll and well .. you know who. Don’t you?

            concerning aggression:
            Israeli policies from the onset have always been and still are mostly reactionary. The arab aggression towards Jews commenced in 1929 and is on the rampage till this very day.

            How was your sleep tonight? Any new revelations?

            Yours and Hidan’s personal rabid and nasty Zionist (hidan TM)
                 Plushkin esq.

  • Al

    OK, I just went here: http://2012.republican-candidates.org/ hoping to find SOMEONE who is NOT a Loon.
    Note to Tea Partier’s, We’ve been trying to tell you this:  Getting rid of Government means just one thing: Getting rid of Regulation.  Working stiffs will STILL pay taxes, taxes will STILL go up. You will STILL lose your job as tariffs and other trade policies make exploiting ever cheaper labor a lucrative deal for the wealthy.  Cutting taxes for “job creators” will just mean more Mercedes’ splashing puddle water on your protest sign, or your work for food sign.
    Reagan cut regulations.  Enron is the darling of Energy De-regulation – Did you notice the corporate media did not point out that California had plenty of power the year BEFORE and the year AFTER Enron created a shortage to raise prices on grandma and balance their corrupt books?

    Try freespeech.org and LinkTV.org

    • Gregg

      I’ve never heard of anyone advocating “getting rid of government” or “getting rid of regulations”. Can you give me a quote or are you just grossly exaggerating?

      • Dave in CT

        The all or none straw man so effective…….

        • nj

          Yet few to none of the Teabaggers will actually make clear exactly which programs comprise “too much government.” FEMA? Food safety inspections? Interstate highway maintenance? Census? Social  Security? Safety Deposit Insurance? Nuclear Regulatory Commission?

      • Anonymous

        “Government so small I can drown it in a bathtub”  G Norquist, to whom every Republican has sworn fealty.

        • Gregg

          As I understand it Grover holds no office and his pledge was about not raising taxes. It had nothing to do with the size of government. Please correct me if I am wrong. Even so, small government does not equal no government. Try again.

          • AndreaMitch

            i think he needs a couple more hours for that one

          • Andrea_itch

             Give up already. Your nasty comments expose your ego.

    • Modavations

      Thousands of peeps, go into the creation of that Mercedes

      • n8ma26

        in germany…

      • Demotivations

        And your point is… that’s right, thousands of your comments generally don’t have one

    • AndreaMitch

      don’t try the mirror either, loon there

      • Andrea_itch

        Nonsense reply.  Expect nothing more.

  • Gregg

    Has Romney presented a specific economic plan like Cain, Perry and Newt have?

    • AndreaMitch

      he’s waiting until obama does ….

      • Andrea_itch

        You and Gregg should really get together.

  • Modavations

    Mitt Romney reminds me of Ahab, chasing the whale.He seems obsessed.He spent the last year of his governorship, wandering the countryside with Sancho Panza,tilting at windmills.

    • Demotivations

      Your lack of wit can’t hide behind literary references

  • Modavations

    Romney-Obama Care is a disaster.MY Blue Cross ins.has risen 47% in the last three years(thank god it was only a 5% increase this year).The Boston Globe said it has not nudged the Emergency Room care rate,one iota..If he’d proposed a plan where INs.Co’s could cross state lines and introduced Tort Reform,we’d be golden.Instead of the 4 carriers(who collude)working Mass.,there should be 400 competing.

    • TFRX

      Like in McAllen, Texas, where right-wing healthcare policies has given everyone a unicorn.

      Oh, wait.

      • Modavations

        Texas created more jobs then the entire country, combined.God Bless Texas

        • TFRX

          For anyone who still takes Moda’s word on it: Perry has applied for and received gobs of stimulus and federal govt money. No jobs come from it, though, to listen to them talk.

           And the oil is there–I guess Perry put it there too.

          • Modavations

            Seeing as Texans throw their tax money by the zillions, into the maw of Washington,I’d fire his a– if he didn’t bring home the bacon.bY THE WAY,MY COMPUTER LET’S ME smell you.Yikes,where’s my nose clip

          • AndreaMitch

            for that one, you don’t even need a computer, yikes

          • Andrea_itch

             Enjoying your adolescent humor?

          • Demotivations

            Caps lock… zillions… nose clip

            Now we know – you are a DWEEB

        • Demotivations

          Too bad you couldn’t get lost in West Texas somewhere.

    • rmbluebird

      The rise in health care and insurance costs has absolutely nothing to do with the Affordable Health Care Act. In fact, the health care act hasn’t, with some minor exceptions, even gone into effect yet. Don’t start whining until after 2014 please.

      • Modavations

        The Shovel Ready jobs weren’t shovel ready and afforable health care ain’t affordable.

        • Demotivations

          Master of the obvious. Mistress of misanthrope.

    • Demotivations

      Too bad your insurance has been no use to you lately.

  • Modavations

    While Mitt seems bright enough and may well have been a success on his own,his daddy is George Romney.I’m always suspicious of “silver spoon”types ,like Romney and Bush.

    • Demotivations

      Oh, happy day.  A comment from the guru of garbage that actually mentions the subject at hand.  Let’s all pay attention now…

  • Geoff D

    That entire crew – most callers included – skates at the edge of reality. Especially Vigurie, for assuming a big win in the GOP primaries equals a ticket to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Congressional Republicans are mostly doing the same, assuming that blocking every Democratic move is all they need to do to be heroes for voters. I guess there are enough voters who continue to believe that bulldozing regulations and cutting taxes is our last best hope to economic salvation. Too bad they haven’t connected the dots to see how all those Reagan and Bush experiments failed spectacularly to sustain the middle class, now sinking into poverty.

  • Modavations

    In the Senate fight,Kennedy ran ads using peeps, that had been fired, when Bain took over their companies.Mitt got blown out of the water.

    • Demotivations

      When will you realize no one cares what you analyze?

  • Modavations

    I love Cain, and hope he survives his “high tech lynching”.He’s not a hack,he’s not beholden.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      Are you really that naive???

      • Modavations

        Soy una optimista

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

          Una optimista ?   Moda, are you a chick?

          • Modavations

            estaba trantando ser gracioso.La mitad de los muchachos estan mas como chicas.Ya basta!Estoy yendo, en la noche ,por Barcelona.Celoso, chavo Paolo?

        • Demotivations

          In any language your replies are asinine

      • Heaviest Cat

        he’s not naive, Paolo,just simplistic like Tom Brokaw is

        • Modavations

          I’ll never forget Tom and C.Rose, communing one night.It was about 6 months after Pres.Obama was elected.They were rubbing their chins and lamenting.,do we really know anything about Obama..I mean, has anyone investigated his past……….

          • Heaviest Cat

            they’re both biased towards the status quo.

          • Demotivations

            I’ll never forget the days of no Modavations

    • Demotivations

      You can reach so far you can grab yourself from your backside

  • Modavations

    What scares the Left more then a conservative Latino,or conservative woman?.That would be a conservative black.If the chattel see too many self-made men,they might bolt the plantation.The left hates “Uppity”chattel.

    • Heaviest Cat

      MOdavation , it’s not that say Palin or Cain is conservative that scares me. what scares me is hot NPR and the rest of the “lamestream ” media tout their moments in teh spotlight as ‘progress’ becasue they’re either female or black, despite their extreme positions.

    • Demotivations

      The ‘uppity’ opinion exposes you, not your intended target.

  • Dave in CT

    How about a good, centrist Democratic technocrat for President.

    Larry Summers.

    • Modavations

      He’d be okay,but I’d prefer Jack Welch,or Freddy Smith

      • Demotivations

        Preferences mean so little coming from your miniscule perception

    • ipswichma

      why don’t you two share your email and get off this blog that is supposed to be for everyone.

    • Heaviest Cat

      VOoooommmmmmmmit!

      • Dave in CT

        I was being facetious, but consistent with what all the faith in technocrat, status quo, DNC types around here seem to be saying.

        • Heaviest Cat

          oops, sorry. hard to tell on blogs sometimes.

  • Modavations

    In our outrageously litigatious society,who would ever hire a woman or minority.If I were a male doctor,I’d have a witness in the consultaion room,with all women.

    • Demotivations

      That’s because any jury would side with the plaintiff in your case

  • Modavations

    Isn’t it curious the the aggrieved Ms. Hill, followed Justice Thomas to his next gig.

    • AndreaMitch

      coke fan!

      • Andrea_itch

        Your wit is too much to bear.  Just get it down to one word – it will be much easier to ignore.

    • Demotivations

      Your disregard for the female gender and lack of compassion for humanity are your calling card.

  • Modavations

    Today Cuba is allowing the purchase and sale of property

    • AndreaMitch

      looks like we’re going to meet them in the middle and pass them on our way to the next circle of hell, at least for another 20+ months or so

      • Andrea_itch

        The next circle of hell?  Is there anyway you won’t be there?

    • Demotivations

      Another giant step for your logic and reasoning. 
      You are a raconteur in your own mind.

  • Heaviest Cat

    SO will Tomhost a lovefest fro the Green party like he did for the GOP,this hour?

    • Modavations

      Watermelons….
      Green outside-red inside

      • dmnolan

        Lame mis-interpretation.

        • AndreaMitch

          lamer retort

          • Andrea_itch

            Another slimy, sinister snipe.  Definitely developing a pattern of a lamer, retarded retorter.

      • Heaviest Cat

        not all all. Look at the record of Jill Stein, the green candidate for the White House.

      • Demotivations

        Your reply has no appropriation to the comment.

        Just another drive-by drivel drop.

  • dmnolan

    Good. Let them eat each other’s dead.

  • Johnc

    We don’t need more conservatives in government, as suggested on today’s program. Nor do we need more liberals in government. Political ideologues got us into our current mess; obviously adding more of the same is not the way out of it. We need an individual in the White House unafraid of changing direction whe circumstances warrant. I thought we were getting such an individual in Barack Obama. Right now I’m not so certain. But if Mitt Romney outlined a pragmatic program, I would seriously consider voting for him.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Mr. Plastic Romney and a pragmatic program?  Which one of his many contradictory positions would you choose to support?  They change daily. This man stands for NOTHING.

      • AndreaMitch

        find a politician who hasn’t contradicted themselves and then maybe you’ve got a point … dems are ignorant, parasitic slugs; well this host has had enough

        • Andrea_itch

          Searching for a comment you’ve made that doesn’t prove your host of ignorance and parasitical nature.

  • fredericc

    The sense we humans have for spirituallity, that there is something more is hard-wired in us and developed due to selective evolutinary pressures co-operating with control of fire and the rapid cascade of consequences that followed including, light, warmth, protection, freeing up of time due to softer cooked food (not my idea, i heard multiple interviews on NPR) also with cooked food  human skull could change radically due the removal of the requirement for all-day chewing archetecure, other pressures could reconed that correlate to the homovocalizationexplosion (that one i made up. It feels good to contribute.) And, all the other stuff that led to us being the most self-important twig on the bush of life.   &c… 

    Oh, right I’m writing about candidate Mitt Romney. Who here thinks that mormonism could benefit from an earth shattering announcement from the mormon front office,  ‘yeah, we get it about Joseph Smith and the child brides and the wives and bribes and the massacres, and the other jesus (alt. ver.) but our faith is doubly strong now because our faith hath been wed to rationalism and the love of truth, our rightousness is not diminished we are rational beings,  an opportunist &c..” And a teaching moment for the mormon church and america.

    So, whatever may be the motivations of the author of a religion be he the: 
    THE SEEKER, a man born rich who rejects the comfort and indifference of his ruling class so that he may endevor to find the meaning of life or,
    THE KING, who brings the tribes of his people under the protection of a unified kingdom, and after the calamity of slavery strive to absorb rehabilitate and reintegrate the migration of people back from Egypt led by a man who later was spoken to by god, unfortunately there were no witnesses,  and he received ten or so commandments, it’s said, again, unfortunately got really broken, trodden on by a calf when he was trying to get the attention of his sheep. 
    THE SPEECHIFYING MARTYR arguing for the universal dignity of all mankind and against, among other things, the strict Judaic laws that at once strenghthen social cohesion quality of learning yet limit the growth of adherents to counter the brutal rule of the Roman occupiers and corruptions in daily life who was executed, quite thoroughly, no doubt, here’s the thing, he rose from the grave, as pla-expected, no one ‘saw’ this happen but he like totally wasn’t there, at all, so  or,
    THE WARLORD who ruthlessly and efficiently set out to unify the arabian tribes under a single religion to solidify their hold on trade and to create a single social identity form a united front to push out the now christian occupiers fo the holy land and  expand their sphere of influence, and who was posthumously lifted to the rank of prophet by the now entrenched caliphate system in a promotional campaign that centered on unseen, uncorroborated supernatural communication with god that resulted in an all important text that has been linguistically identified as a mashed-up from the judaic best seller list. Or,
    THE CON MAN loose on a brand new continent armed with gold plates, copper?, no, gold plates, gold plated? texts written in aztec or hebrew that was buried by god, or an alien for him to find and tell the world about but, he was not allowed to show it to anybody, ever, this wasn’t his first hussle, but it was his best, ‘cept it got him killed because on the fronteir in those days people were closed minded and who hated two-bit con-men, and since Joseph SmithPBUH was the first hustler in america to run the prophet-con, he really burned some breeches, y’know got under their saddle, not only that but he was all up in people’s faces poligamy and a harem and such. He could promise the moon.

    Thanks

  • Gbwilkin

    I personally believe the problem is: the base of the Republican Party is out of touch with the American people. Americans aren’t worried about issues that consume far-right or conservative Republicans. America doesn’t need the Republican party to be our moral police; an issue most affecting preventing abortion is endorsing Planned Parenthood’s birth control methods. Supporting gay rights means supporting equal rights. Finding jobs and keeping jobs for Americans is THE most critical factor. I am a reformed Republican, now registered as a Democrat, Glenda in High Point

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Well said….  I am an independent and have been my whole life. I never believe any party dogma.  However what you say about the Republicans is certainly true..and to some extent the Dems too. 

      Witout exception this current crop of Republican nuts represent a nation which no longer exists…if it ever did at all. What these fools do not realize it that the music has stopped…but they keep dancing.

      • Modavations

        34% Republican,33% Democrat,33% Independent.

        • Demotivations

          What percentage of your unmitigated feculence do this comment board have to put up with?

    • n8ma26

      I think if you look at the Tea Party, which is the far-right movement, they actually don’t care about social issues. The thing that unites them is their disdain for “big government”. That being said, every Republican candidate wants to cater to the evangelical. And many of these candidates come off as crazy because of it. This guy on the show Richard Vagurie is as crazy as the rest of them, especially calling Obama the most liberal president ever elected. It’s absurd and if he cared to listen to anyone else, he’d know a lot of democrats/liberals view Obama as a major disappointment. I’d vote for Bernie Sanders in a second…

      • AndreaMitch

        everyone views obama as a disappointment, equal opportunity loathing; bernie sanders is dumb

        • Andrea_itch

           While you are appearing dumb, everyone views you with loathing and disappointment.

      • Gregg

        I don’t think the Tea Party is a “far-right movement” but I agree completely “they actually don’t care about social issues” and “The thing that unites them is their disdain for big government”. It’s funny, “Tea” is not a party but they are referred to as such in every way. If they were an actual party they would have to take a position on social issues and a myriad of others (Foreign Policy, Trade Policy, etc). The “Party” would fracture and die. But if you narrow it to the Obama inspired issues of smaller government, more freedom (aka less regulation) and dramatic cuts in spending it’s a big draw. Huge numbers.

        Pro-choice voters want it
        Pro-life voters want it
        Christians want it
        Muslims want it
        Athiest want it
        Hawks want it
        Doves want it
        Isolationists want it
        Free-Traders want it
        Rich voters want it
        Poor voters want it
        Republican voters want it
        Democrat voters want it
        Independent voters want it
        Rush Limbaugh listeners want it
        NPR Listeners… er… well… ugh…
        Never mind.

    • AndreaMitch

      social issues are for rich times, fiscal issues are for now; don’t let the big-gov blood-suckers get you down

      • Andrea_itch

        What do we do about the comment board blood-suckers like you getting us down?

    • Gregg

      Yea, that explains the town hall uprisings, the birth of the Tea Party and the historic 2010 elections.

  • thegreengrass

    When it comes down to it, whoever makes it past the primaries, they’ll support. They’ll do this, just like Democrats supported Kerry, because they just don’t want the other guy to win more than they dislike their candidate. This is why we can’t have real progress for third parties in the US; everyone just votes against the people they don’t like instead of the people they really agree with.

    • Modavations

      The Republican Party was a third party.They were the Whigs.I’m voting Perot

      • Demotivations

        Your reply once again has no wit or veracity.  What a surprise.

  • Modavations

    There have been so many sexual assaults and molestations ,at the OWS site,NYC,that they’ve opened a “rape crisis center”

    • nj

      More disinformation or outright lies from the Bureau of Moda-troll’s Butt.

    • AndreaMitch

      i hear it’s mostly guy-on-guy drum circle stuff

    • Demotivations

      What a surprise you have supplied a comment not related to this show.

      Do you have a mental health issues or is conducting yourself in a civil manner just not possible?

  • Markus

    Romney was governor in a state dominated by the opposite party. One former democratic politician joked that they overruled his veto’s 140 times. Could be more, could be less, but I can’t blame him for not getting more done.
     
    I do blame him for changing positions. They all do it and given he led the most liberal state in the US, he had greater need to do it. But the fact that most other politicians change positions based on the popular wind, is a lousy defense for Romney.
     
    I like him for understanding the reality of growing businesses, for being a problem solver (his Olympics work) and for having government executive experience in what was a hostile environment.  Unfortunately, I hate his stance on military spending. If Obama hadn’t shown himself to be incompetent, this one issue might at least cause me to stay home on election day.

  • Thomas Terence

    Remember all the complaining conservatives did about David Souter? How they were tricked into thinking he was more conservative?

    Well, we are trying to warn them about Mitt Romney and they just won’t listen.

  • Patrick

    “Conservative thought leader”

    This term has my head spinning.  It’s like a paradox cubed; each word negates both of the others. 

    “Behold, the Conservative Thought Leader!  Recklessly leading the nation’s retreat from science!”

    “All hail the Conservative Thought Leader…”

  • Barbara in Afton, VA

    Tom Ashbrook, You cut me off when I called this morning.  It wouldn’t be so bad, except you did it in a way that made me sound like I am anti Muslim.  I was saying we needed to pull our guys out of the Middle East because those people are different than us.  Then you cut me off.  What I was trying to say is that 200 years ago, we declared our independence and our democracy has developed a long way.  We had to go thru a whole lot, and so will Iraq.  The Iraqi people need to decide how to do it so that it suits them.  The good people there have to defeat the bad ones themselves.  Now that Obama has taken many of our troops out, our guys that are left are in much more danger.  We need a strong military, business expert, who is a good speaker and that listens to others and can take advice, lead our country.  We need to be ready for anything.  Iraq is shaking hands with Iran.  We need to consolidate our men and be ready to take on anything that comes our way now.  A strong military man would know what war is like and would avoid it.  I am of the thinking that America isn’t in the position of strength we used to be.  We have a hard time surviving ourselves, who are we to tell anyone how to be?  We need to do humanitarian deeds, but not start battles that can’t be won.

    • Patrick

      Sounds like we need George W Bush back.  Quite the conservative thought leader, that guy.

      • Mcmailmom

        Unfortunately, he’s the one that caused all the chaos!

        • AndreaMitch

          come out of the fog babs, the chaos is only getting worse

          • Barbara

            All I can say is:  Thank heavens 2012 is almost here!

            I still say there is a shortage of Presidential material for the world we live in.

          • Andrea_itch

            Another sinister, sniveling snipe. You just can’t help yourself.  Sound familiar?

    • AndreaMitch

      happy ramadan babs

      • Andrea_itch

        Another sniveling snipe.

  • Drew You Too

    So he’s detested because because he’s a “flip-flopper” (we all know the real reason, only the blind ignore the Elephant in the room) but if he wins the nomination most Republicans will flip? I’m trying hard not to laugh here.

    Also, this show was pretty distressing. Your guest’s repeated reinforcement of how most “true” Republicans desire to move even closer to something that more closely aligns with their ideological ideals quite frankly scares the crap out of me. The reasons for this should not need to be pointed out.

    And yes, less government would be awesome. In fact, no Government would be even better. The problem is that we have a LOT of growing up to do before these desires should bare consideration.

    And last but certainly not least, how can anyone continue to tout that the best way to help everyone is to help those with power (wealth)? This would be true if we were benevolent creatures but of course we’re not. We are greedy, petty little spoiled brats who think that we deserve more because we’re special. The absurdity of the Trickle Down mentality has been proven so blatantly that continued refusal to acknowledge its failures displays a willful ignorance on the part of its followers.

    Apologies for the lengthy comment.

  • guest

    Herman Cain has said as president he would abolish the Environmental Protection Agency – that’s just what we need – another ignoramus in the Oval Office.

    • Gregg

      The EPA is out of control. 

  • Hidan

    demotivation was funny on the Machine thread

  • Hidan

    This song goes out to Mitt.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw1ncADC9KM

  • Dee

    Think of the stupidty of Romney’s campaign for “a strong America”
    in light of Eisenhower’s warning and the fact that this country is
    spending over a trillion dollars today on the Military complex:

    750 billion or so for the Pentagon and death killers  (contractors like General Electric and Boenning , etc (see Paul Krugman’s piece on this
    in New York Times this or last week. ), 250 billion or so spread out
    between the CIA and FBI –who violate our rights and others daily.
    Plus, another 100 Billion or so for wounded and disabled soldiers….

    This is all beyond immoral –criminal in fact–that tax payers monies
    are being spent like this daily while so many Americans go without…

    In addition, this doesn’t even touch the Bush tax to the wealthy –
    who haven’t produced any significant Job increase–or since those
    tax breaks became effective in 2006…

    So now the American people are being robbed by Big Defense and
    Security, Big Oil, Big Phram/ Health and Big Agra and Romney wants
    to keep this all going. 

    As Bob Herbert so rightly asked in his 2009 column , “Why is anyone
    listening to the Republicans again?” They should all be booted out
    the door, or put in chains and made to return US tax payers dollars
    to the Treasury…Dee

    Eisenhower on the Military Complex

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

    • AndreaMitch

      americans are being robbed by big government period.  we’ve been trying weak america for a couple years now, time for a change, i hope

      • Fredlinskip

        Problem created by immoral and ignorant Trickle-up financial policies isn’t going to get fixed in a couple of years.

      • Andrea_itch

         Weak America?  We’re sustaining the largest economic contraction since the depression?  I guess we were so much stronger under previous administrations when all of this was taking place.  Weak comment. 

  • Dee

    Destruction verses construction, Paul krugman, NYT
    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/09/paul_krugmans_9.php

  • Khadija
  • Jackiesnackie

    Was that all they were going to give ron paul?! Three media its so distorted- it cannot understand how much support he has.

  • AndreaMitch

    just cut government spending and we can solve the deficit and debt problem, easy

    • Fredlinskip

      just cut brain dead republicans and we can solve deficit and debt problem, easy.

      • Gregg

        You used to be so nice.

    • Sam Walworth

      Yes, lets take out all the unequal and unwise tax subsidies to begin with, and then, lets cut all the defense spending second…

      If you disagree, please provide specifics, if you may.

    • Andrea_itch

      Easy? Simpleton solution.  How many decades will that take?  What aboutt the yahoos running the show?  What about the corrupt bankers.  How is that going to bring jobs back to our contry and sell all of the overpriced realestate on the market?
       

  • Okitaris

    I’m not sure why you, Tom, are giving the republicans air time.   There first claim is a lie “conservative” which means that they will waste the world to enrich themselves.    They want to bring back 19th century capitalism.   When there was a depression every 10 years.    The claim that one can be a self made man is a lie.  We are social beings however some due to there back ground makes them greedy egotistical and pushy some one that the 1% loves to saddle the cooperative and sadly submissive 99%.    Competition and and cooperation are mutually exclusive.
    The only way out of our economic and ecological problems is to be cooperative but cooperation requires equality Jeffersonian equality is what we need.   Republicans need to be ignored and sent to the dust bin of history no mater how much money they robed from the workers.  

  • Erin

    I agree with the recent caller: it’s obscene how the media discounts Ron Paul. I grew up in a left-of-center, strongly socially liberal household, and I am still preoccupied with expanding freedom and justice for EVERYONE in our country. Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican candidate I take seriously. The rest are horrifying talking heads. I voted for Obama; because he has failed to see through many of his most important campaign promises, and because he has taken liberties with executive power, I doubt I can vote for him again. If Ron Paul fails to win the Republican nomination, I will not be able, in good conscience, to vote for a candidate on the ballot. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Budde/100001940199090 Charles Budde

    Mr Hecker is disconnected from reality. I would suggest that everyone you know is not everyone. President Obama is a political moderate. He ran as a moderate and he has attemted to govern as a moderate. I would agree that some of his supporters are out of their mind liberals, but they are likewise disconnected from the world. This country needs more centerists, more moderates and more people disinterested in hyperbolic sarcasm as a method of conversation. The conservatives, the GOP or whatever their current title is clearly do not want the White House. None of these candidates are viable. The Republicans have no intention of taking the White House. The strategy is to continue to block and spin. Unless progressives and liberals show up at the polls (especially during mid-term elections (!) ) we will spin deeper and deeper into the morass that the GOP is creating.

  • Kb2345

    I CANNOT STAND the whole anti-”flip-flop” mantra….really, really hate it.  I do not have the same positions I had 20 years ago.  I allow my experience to inform my opinion….and thankfully, I am not stupid enough to think I am always right and smarter than everyone else in the room…on the universe of subjects.  I make mistakes and I have news for you…so does everyone else! 

    I do not agree with allowing public opinion to sway your opinion, but it is every bit as bad to stick to a bad position simply to avoid the appearance of being a “flip-flopper”.  The second I hear this term, I tune out.

    Tha said, none of these candidates have a snowball’s chance in August in Arizona of being elected. 

    It’s just that the whole anti-flip-flopper position gets you the Bush/Cheny/Rumsfeld trio, two wars, trillions in debt and most importantly, unnecessarily sacrificed young American lives. 

  • Revrodkey

    The program today upset me deeply. I am a Presbyterian pastor and I have lived my entire career with this “conservative” nonsense. I found the conversation this morning to be un-American at its core. Outlandish statements of Obama being some kind of extremest liberal would be laughable if it wasn’t so outrageous. It sounds like ‘conservative’ is so holy, so sacrosanct that the American system of law and governing is simply in the way of the ‘conservative’ juggernaut which is seemingly impossible to stop. Please. Conservative is racist, sexist, elitest, ignorent, violent, and more interested in its own agenda more than serving the common good of both our nation and the world. Conservatism is our common problem

    • Sam Walworth

      As a Born Again, Evangelical Christian, may I add, Praise The Lord, please.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

        Spare me.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      You forgot anti-gay. Conservatism as defined in the US today, is much more of a menace that a “common problem”. It is a cancer on the Nation.

  • JEGorman4

    I sure wish president OBAMA, would stop being politician OBAMA, and soon start working on the Changes he promised in government rather than what he’s delivering in our way of life & freedoms. To much government, debt & regulation is our problem, one does not have to be
    a community organizer, rent collector & college lecturer to realize
    this. How about being a leader & really working on a solution ?? 

  • Anonymous

    Romney isn’t going to get more than 25% unless his nomination appears inevitable and then people jump on the bandwagon.  As long as there is no single creditable candidate to unite the anti-Romney vote, Romney will get the nomination.  Cain is done.  Perry still has money and could possibly turn his campaign around but he needs to do it soon as the early primaries benefit Romney.  The rest of the field isn’t up to it.  If the anti-Romney Republicans can’t unite behind a single candidate, the only downside to Romney’s campaign is that he is going to have to keep flip-flopping to the right in order to match their fringe views. 

  • Ellis

    This show demonstrated, although inadvertently, the thought processes of conservatives nowadays.  At one point, Mr Hecker (I think) launched into a tirade against President Obama, with Mr Ashbrook trying vainly to counter.  In fairness to Mr Ashbrook, there is nothing he could have said to get Mr Hecker to even consider an alteration of his narrative. And one caller stated flat out that he would never vote for a Mormon.  Good stuff.  Keep on this track and you will soon deserve the descriptive “fair and balanced.:

  • MordecaiCarroll

    Viguerie: “This may be a wave election.  This may be the time when the people are
    prepared to make an ideological shift as they were in the 1930’s and
    fundamentally take America in a conservative direction.”

    Dream on, buddy.  The  majority of Americans have a low opinion of the Tea Party.  Even Gallup (whose polling tends to be biased in Republicans’ favor) found that more Americans disapprove of the Tea Party than approve of them.

    If the Republicans field a bunch of Tea Party true believer hard right Conservatives like Sharon Angle in the 2012 election, they will get spanked.

    I honestly hope they do go in that direction, because it’s the surest way Democrats can make gains in the House and Senate.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

      Viguerie is a fossil from a bygone era. He has no relevance to today…nor do any of his phony conservative “values”.

  • http://www.jobwaltz.com JobWaltz.com

    Ron Paul is the only conservative in the race as far as I’m concerned. He introduced a plan to cut $1 trillion in his first year in office, would stop our unnecessary overseas spending, would begin reforming entitlements while tiding over those that are dependent on them. He’s a strong Constitutionalist that would also restore civil liberties and ending the failed War on Drugs.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/jr9del Pat R

    Ignoring claims in 2007 that Romney was using the MA Governorship as a stepping stone to the U.S. Presidency is a lesson in political deception unworthy of either party or their campaign consultants, and certainly to the American people. He came out of nowhere to run and win the MA Governorship, following the pattern of others who had attempted to do the same, a.k.a., Weld, Cellucci, etc., also hoping for the same strategic political outcome.

    These substantial political accusations arose during the 2008, but because politics are done remotely by ads, Americans still suffer at the hands of vast political machinery to deceive the American public.

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