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Herman Cain: His Life, His Politics, His Future

Herman Cain hangs in at the top of the polls. We’ll look at Mr. 9-9-9, his life, his politics, and where he’s headed.

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain delivers a keynote address during the Western Republican Leadership Conference Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2011, in Las Vegas. (AP)

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain delivers a keynote address during the Western Republican Leadership Conference Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2011, in Las Vegas. (AP)

“Flash in the pan,” they said of Herman Cain. And he may yet be. But if it’s a flash, it’s a long one. “Mr. 9-9-9” in the GOP field of presidential contenders has gone up and up in the polls.

This week, he’s number one, grabbing 25 percent support in the latest CBS/New York Times poll. Above Romney’s twenty-one. Rick Perry’s six. Michelle Bachman’s two. What’s Herman Cain got that’s working in that number? A simple outsider’s appeal. A rags to riches story. Great delivery. Mitt Romney as an opponent. And he can sing.

This hour On Point: We’re looking again at Herman Cain.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

David Graham, staff writer for Newsweek. His latest cover story is “Citizen Cain.”

Steve Jordon, a reporter for the Omaha World Herald, he’s written about Herman Cain since 1986.

David Rice, a professor at Morehouse College in Atlanta.

C Segment – Rick Perry’s Tax Plan

Dave Montgomery, Austin bureau chief for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, he’s been covering Governor Rick Perry’s run for the White House

 

Highlights

Herman Cain is now number one in the polls and calling for some serious changes to the country on the campaign trail. In part, it is his life story that has put him to the front of the GOP pack.

“He has a fantastic story of Horatio Alger story,” said David Graham, a writer for Newsweek. “He rose from live in a [housing] project when he was a small child, to being a multimillionaire CEO. He’s incredibly charismatic in person, gives a great speech- – never speaks without notes, and talks in simple terms that connect with a lot of folks.”

The biggest line on Cain’s resume is his time as the CEO of Godfather’s Pizza. He turned the company profitable, but that came after major layoffs and the closing of many franchises, said Steve Jordon, a reporter with the Omaha World Herald, who has followed Cain since the 1980s. “[Cain] said that franchise holders had to remodel their franchises and bring them up to speed,” Jordon said. “Those who couldn’t were cut out.”

It was during his years in Omaha while he was Godfather’s CEO, that he also branched out into public speaking, Jordon said. “That’s when he developed this whole ‘Hermanator’ idea and then he also gave concerts,” Jordon said. He’s still respected in Omaha, but Cain told Jordon that he “still has to work hard to convince people that there’s more between his ears than pepperoni.”

Cain is not the first black conservative to run for president, but his candidacy has taken on a new resonance since 2008. “With the election of Barack Obama there was a lot of discussion, and perhaps pining for and wishing that we were post-racial. And we’ve found that that’s not quite the case,”: said David Rice, a professor at Morehouse College.  “When we have black folk of different ilk presenting themselves and we get to look at what race means to them, what ace means in their narrative, it allows us to be responsibly complex in how we look at black folks.”

 

Caller: Charlie for Evans, GA

I’m a Herman Cain supporter. Have been for a long time.

Tom Ashbrook: Why?

Charlie: Several reasons: one, he going to get rid of things that impede my business. I sell heavy construction equipment and the EPA kills people in this business. Barack Obama’s economic policies have killed people in this business, small businesses. All the people that have gotten money out of the things he’s pass have been large corporations, no small construction businesses have gotten anything. And he preaches responsibility. That, to me, is the most important thing. We have a welfare state now, and we have to get rid of it.

Caller: Steven from Dothan, Alabama

Herman Cain, I’ve heard him on WSB for years, since he’s been doing the evening programming. He’s njot somebody nothing new. I’ve never though of him as a political, I want to get in office. But when you look at everything that is going on. And you look at the current crop, and you look at the ‘profession politicians,’ to quote someone’s phrase. If we keep doing the same thing, can we expect different results? We’re 15 trillion in debt, our ratings are going down, our manufacturing is going nowhere, our tax code is three million plus words — nobody makes sense of it. Everyone is out for themselves that’s in politics. I haven’t seen him once give me the flavor that he’s [Cain] doing this for himself. Maybe he’s stroking his own ego, but at least he talks the truth. He doesn’t do the double speak. He not going to shake you hand with one hand, and pick your back pocket with the other hand. I haven’t seen that side of him. It’s something that’s refreshing. Will he make it all the way through? I don’t know. But will he keep the dialogue focused on what is really important. Yeah. He comes from an interesting, different background. That is nice.

From Tom’s Reading List

Newsweek “Cain seems determinedly undaunted by political practicalities, however heavily they weigh against his chances. He remains a black Republican in a predominantly white party who has only a fledgling organization and no ground game in the crucial early primary and caucus states.”

Omaha World Herald “As a national candidate seeing a nation with the same problems, he said, he has assessed problems, set priorities for solutions and, if elected, would form a team to put them into effect.”

New Herman Cain Campaign Ad
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Playlist

Imagine (There’s No Pizza) by Herman Cain

I Am America by Krista Branch

This is the Day by Herman Cain

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  • Roy Mac

    What, exactly is this guy’s highly-touted business experience?  All that gets said is “CEO of Godfather’s Pizza,” but I’ve also heard murmurs about Burger King, etc.  Mostly, people are saying he’s been a “motivational speaker” for the past 10-12 years.  Other than sell snake oil, what does this guy do?  Or is he just another professional office-seeker, like Romney, Santorum, Gingrich…?

  • Drew You Too

    Really? This is the story for Wednesday? There’s about as much to be gained from discussing Cain’s life, politics, and future as there is to be gained discussing R. Perry’s. Won’t be turning on the radio or visiting the board so have a great Drew free day everyone.

  • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

    It’s difficult to take Cain seriously. He seems more a caricature of a right wing loon than a real person… and 999 has to be the most ridiculous tax proposal ever. Perhaps the true measure of his being a serious candidate is whether he bothered to put together any real campaign organization. I heard he has visually none. But he has reportedly used $100k in contributions to buy his own book. I think Cain’s like Palin… looking to cash in on his 15 minutes of fame… that and make sure he gets out the message the Koch brothers want him to: cut taxes even further on the rich and raise taxes on everyone else. How goddamn noble.

    • Brett

      Yes, and may his 9 minutes of fame come soon. 

  • NotSure

    This is a difficult topic to raise but my intuition is screaming there’s something here even if I don’t have it pinned down yet.
    Some traditionally repressed groups like women and racial minorities view the world a bit differently than a white guy like myself. And why not. Their life experiences have been different. Some of the worst supervisors I’ve ever had in my early days were women. They seemed the most Machiavellian and I’ve always wondered if that was compensation for some deeper insecurity.
    When I look at a Clarence Thomas and now Herman Cain, I wonder if their ultra conservatism is a reflection of their true self or whether it’s some sort of compensation… in this case more a surrender to the White Establishment. By being more conservative than even they are Roberts and Cain very marketable because the GOP has never really had much appeal to Black Americans and needs  every token Black it can find.
     

    Am I off base here? Can someone flesh out what I’m only getting an intuitive  glimpse of?
     

    • Anonymous

      Cain is no conservative, in my opinion. He is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Koch brothers. (One of the early commenters said Cain was an “Uncle Tom” and this is probably what he was speaking to.) His talking points are whatever the Koch brothers say they are. He doesn’t have a staff to speak of, and the reason why is that he is not really running for president. He is running for himself–selling books and speeches–and spreading Koch propaganda. And how did he get this rep for being an “outsider”? He was a Washington lobbyist for Pete’s sake. His big beef was trying to keep smoking legal in restaurants. Stinks to be the hired help, but did Cain care? Who knows? He was being paid to shill, and he did it well.

  • WhoCares

    ‘On Point’ disappoints again.
    This Cain doesn’t even stand a chance.
    Why is ‘On Point’ even doing a show on him?
    Maybe the Koch brothers donated large sums of cash to NPR.
    Why doesn’t ‘On Point’ spend 45 minutes with Ron Paul?
    How much money will that take?

  • Hidan

    Herman cain is a clear example that Uncle Toms still exist. But would love to see him get the nomination to prove that the majority of blacks still wouldn’t vote for the guy.

    • Gregg

      Bigot.

      • Plushkin

        sleep deprived at that (bigot).

        • Hidan

          For someone that doesn’t want to deal with me you are sure obsessed with me. Even going so far as to change your(one of many) sceen names to BanHidan.

          Bug off Troll.

      • Hidan

        Sorry you have me confused with Herman Cain,probably the reason you like the guy.

        Still confused see Cain’s comment on,
        -blacks
        -latinos
        -muslims
        -Gays
        -Abortions

  • JustMaybe

    He might be a better actor than Obama.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Hermain Cain seems to have hired Lyndon Johnson’s advertising agency.  That was just about as creepy as the Daisy Girl ad.

  • Michiganjf

    Clueless idiot.

    “It should NOT be legal for a woman to get an abortion, I am 100% pro-life… abortion should be decided by a woman in the privacy of her own family.”

    ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????!!

    This isn’t the only moronic, diametrically opposed statement uttered off the top of this brainiac’s head.

    Obama will rip Cain apart in any debate setting, but Repugnicans are plenty dumb enough themselves to select this fool as their candidate.

    …Thank God!

     

    • Michiganjf

      Oh, I said “off the top of this head,” but he actually defended the two positions as being “consistent” for days… what a bonehead!

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      I recall another candidate who wasn’t such a great debater.  As a matter of fact, he wasn’t an intellectual giant at all.  His name?  George W. Bush.  The gods may want a few more chickens sacrificed before they grant you a favor.

    • Mo.M.

      If a woman decides, in the privacy of her own home with her family, to get an abortion, and abortion is illegal, what does she do?
      Following your logic, a woman’s right to choose should be legal.

      • Michiganjf

        Good God! Are all you conservatives “Special Ed?”

      • Gregg

        Good point. The thing is, Roe v Wade is not going anywhere. It’s legal and even in the highly unlikely event it was struck down the matter would simply be revived in the States. 

  • Hidan

    Some of Cain finest moments,

    2012 Republican Presidential candidate Herman Cain was on the radio show
    of right-winger Neal Boortz and Cain had a laugh over Boortz’s comments
    regarding slave ancestors.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U63UBXcQzYo,

    Herman Cain Says “Black Folks Brainwashed”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1KkVw-tFj8

    Morgan Freeman calls out the teaparty
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XzpcK7IJ7I

    Herman Cain acknowledges his electric border fence idea isn’t a joke after all

    “After first apologizing
    for suggesting an electric fence along the border, Republican
    presidential candidate Herman Cain told reporters here Monday that he
    still thinks it’s a good idea for controlling illegal immigration. “I’m not walking away from that,” he said.”
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20121695-503544.html

    Cain on Muslims

    http://londonmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/07/herman-cains-shocking-racist-rant.html

    Btw Cain gets paid quite well # in the hundreds of thousands to speak at event sponsored by the Koch brothers.

  • Zing

    Mommy? What’s that funny smell?

    Sweetheart, that’s the smell of hopey-changey gone bad.

    • JP

      Zing “Liked” this.

      • Gregg

        No, that was me. Can you “like” your own comment? I’ve never tried. You sound like you know.

        • Michiganjf

          Zing is also posting as “Gregg.”

          • Gregg

            Put another layer of tin foil on your head.

  • Anonymous

    I’ld like the Republicans explain something to me… They pledge allegiance to Grover Norquist’s no new taxes, put the nation at peril with financial default over their no tax increases position and yet they are the party of 999 which raises taxes on the poor and middle classes, lowers taxes on the wealthy and increases the deficit. Have they all gone daft?

    • Gregg

      Maybe I can help. Your premise is misguided. Raising taxes in this economy will hurt growth more than it will provide revenue. Job one is growth, then we can talk about tax hikes. Obama had ample opportunity to raise taxes and would have if it was plausible. Reckless spending and over-regulation are the reasons for the “peril”. Also, Cain has a ways to go in selling his 9-9-9 plan, it really is quite a stretch to label Republicans as “the party of 9-9-9″.

      • Michiganjf

        Only in Republican La La land does reducing taxes on the wealthy create jobs.

        All historical data shows unemployment lower when taxes on the wealthy were higher.

        Taxes on the wealthy have been lower for a decade than they’ve been since well before WWII, yet unemployment is worse than it’s been in decades.

        Yeah, giving the wealthy tax breaks REALLY creates jobs.

        It’s the 95% of poor and middle class who spend money in large enough numbers and keep all sectors of the economy humming (when they used to have money, anyway), NOT the wealthiest 5%.

        • Gregg

          Who said anything about tax cuts?

          • Anonymous

            The Republicans, about every 2 seconds.

          • Gregg

            I know Obama’s bi-partisan debt commission suggested lowering rates but that was in the context of a complete overhaul including closing loopholes. Other than that who has proposed cutting taxes?

          • TFRX

            Really? What did the report from that commission say?

            Oh, wait: They didn’t issue one.

          • Gregg

            Did I say anything about a report? 

          • TFRX

            No report, no meaning. Like a deadlocked jury, it’s not for crap if they don’t have a verdict.

            And the deck was stacked with Beltway Inbreds from the Pain Caucus. All that, and they couldn’t even come up with anything.

          • Anonymous

            Cain and Perry for two. That is, if one is capable of “doing the math” of their proposals.

          • Gregg

            Fair enough but both those plans throw out the current tax code altogether. 

          • Anonymous

            @327b60c55221432e499267aebfb70c09:disqus  And both proposals effected a tax INCREASE on people below $120,000/yr. (Cain) and (Perry) no change on people who like their current taxes and a tax CUT on people with over $1 million/yr. (maybe less) incomes.

      • Anonymous

        That’s ridiculous.  There’s no empirical evidence to back up your claims and many economists disagree with that assessment.  Lack of regulation on Wall Street and banks gambling with our money are what blew up the economy, just like prior to the Great Depression.

        The deficit problem is due to reckless spending…on an unfunded war in Iraq by the Bush administration.  At no other time in history have we tried to wage a war and simultaneously enacted massive tax cuts.

        Also, how is giving more money to the rich and multinational corporations going to help with jobs???  They already have plenty of money and it ain’t stimulating jobs growth.  Supply is not the issue, demand is.  We need policies that favor the lower and middle class, where the majority of demand comes from, not voodoo economics like Cain’s 9-9-9 plan that raise taxes on the middle class and give more breaks to the wealthy.

        • Gregg

          Obama has increased regulations dramatically across the board. Its a job killer and the evidence supports that. As far as the banking regulations go Bush proposed legislation that was defeated largely because Democrats swore up and down there was no problem.

          You can not make the case that wars caused the deficit problem. The numbers don’t add up. Look them up and get all “empirical”, you will see. It’s a talking point. Regarding the “unfunded” part, Obama has never had a budget, EVERYTHING IN UNFUNDED!

          Who said anything about giving more money to the rich?

          • Anonymous

            No, there is not empirical evidence that regulations are inherently job killers.
            http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/09/job-regulations-job-killers-debunked

          • Gregg

            With all due respect, I don’t consider “Mother Jones” to be the final word on anything. The article does not address Obama regulations. It’s a general statement with no “empirical” evidence. Even the word “regulation” is meaningless. It does matter what is being regulated and how. For instance, Obama rescinded his proposed EPA regulations after August created zero jobs. Even he knows better.

            The problem is the massive increase over the last 2 years. Here are some numbers:

            http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/581555/201108151901/Regulatory-Agencies-Staffing-Up.htm

          • Anonymous

            @327b60c55221432e499267aebfb70c09:disqus  @EricReed:disqus  Just because “MJ” reprinted an article from the respected ProPublica, does NOT make the article unreliable. But the article cited CONCLUSIONS from studies where the bottom line was that regulations have minuscule effects on TOTAL employment: a job lost in one company/industry is gained in another.
            An example: a regulation requiring a coal plant to remove mercury from its emissions will add jobs at the scrubber company making scrubbers for coal plants that are modern enough to generate electricity cost effectively with the scrubbers while decreasing employment at inefficient plants where upgrading is not effective. But a lot of people who would have been poisoned by the mercury will live a good life and eat the swordfish caught by deep-sea fishermen who will continue to have jobs.

            There are many studies which show that the EPA regulations have had $10 of benefits to the public (reduced health costs, jobs, and a cleaner environment — air visibility, water sports, etc.)

            And fear of “regulatory uncertainty” has been thoroughly debunked:

            http://www.epi.org/publication/regulatory-uncertainty-phony-explanation/

          • Gregg

            The article did not address Obama’s regulations and their cost. His proposed EPA regulations would have cost the industry $200 billion and electric rates for consumers would have skyrocketed. So he withdrew them. Other regulations may have little effect. Without analyzing Obama’s regulations and the associated cost of compliance there really isn’t much relevance. Here is an example:

            http://thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/8820-obamas-seven-new-regulations-would-cost-us-economy-billions

          • Anonymous

            @327b60c55221432e499267aebfb70c09:disqus  @EricReed:disqus  Gregg:Citing a John Birch Society magazine is not the way to back up claims in a discussion, particularly when you start out belittling “Mother Jones.”

            There is no way that the claims in the article you linked to are not wildly exaggerated or made up out of whole cloth (like many of the Chamber of Commerce’s claims, also). The “Competitive Enterprise Institute” is much worse, regularly just making things up.

            I don’t believe that any of the industry estimates of regulation costs have been less than five times larger than actual costs and most often more than 10 times; even the EPA’s estimates have been larger than actual costs most of the time.

            But the difference in job numbers before and after implementation of the regulation have been negligible. That is the bottom line in this issue where the people’s health has been improved. [Oh, the people who most benefit are those living close to the plants, the poor and middle class and their health might not be that important.]

          • Gregg

            I don’t like MJ, true (David Corn, ugh) but my criticism was because the article was irrelevant to the discussion. If they were I would consider them. If you don’t like the numbers I gave, fine but they are rellevant.

          • Anonymous

            @327b60c55221432e499267aebfb70c09:disqus  Not when they are meaningless, unless you just want proof that your argument is full of hot air.

      • Anonymous

        If all the gain from growth goes to one person (hypothetical), or .1% of the population (actual), what real benefit to the total economy is achieved?  I would say very little, if any.  The “rising tide lifts all ships” BS has as little credibility as the Laffer Curve’s proof that trickle-down economics works

        • Gregg

          Maybe so but that’s a hypothetical I don’t foresee. I don’t want to put words in your mouth so I’ll ask, are you saying growth is not necessary for recovery? I have to assume your alternative would be redistribution? Is that right? Please clarify.

          • Anonymous

            A monstrously disproportionate share of growth benefiting a tiny number of people is not hypothetical.  It is what has happened over the past 3 decades. 

            The real issue is why our private economy has does achieved the type of widespread distribution of economic benefit that was its hallmark prior to 1980, and what are we going to do about it.  I see so-called conservatives suggesting making it more disproportionate as the solution.  That will not work.

          • Gregg

            I don’t feel all that clarified. 

          • Anonymous

            @327b60c55221432e499267aebfb70c09:disqus  @jimino:disqus  Certainly GDP growth is necessary to put the unemployed back to work. jimino was saying that when the rich take all the gain from productivity growth and spend it on politicians to change the law so they can further exploit their workers, there comes a time when the growth of income to the rich is NOT a benefit to the whole country.

            The most wealthy do not spend their incomes in ways that generate as many jobs as the other 99% do. Some of their spending does create jobs, mostly in the future, but right now spending is required to generate the demand that will cause employers to hire more employees. And government has to be the spender of last resort since too many individuals cannot spend and businesses will not spend until they see increased demand (or their capital equipment starts to fall apart).

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Cain is the Republican leader at this point!  Means that most Republicans support his 999!

    • Margbi

      Obviously, they have. I want to know who died and made Grover Norquist king?

  • Yar

    I wonder what percentage of Herman Cain’s pizza chain employees get health insurance or retirement as part of their compensation.

    Government spending is currently 100 percent of GDP which proves our economic system is a lie.  Financial assets are listed at three times tangible assets, and US debt is 350 percent of GDP.  Total Public and private debt is over 175,000 per US citizen.   
      The republican tax plans are all about economic slavery.  Economic slavery is worse than actual slavery because the overlord isn’t invested in slave ownership.  No, I am not advocating slavery, I am opposed to exploitation.  What constitutes a living wage?  My definition is to earn enough during productive years to save for retirement, raise children and provide healthcare. The difference between the democratic and republican tax plans, one is tax and spend while cutting debt, the other is cutting taxes cutting spending while increasing debt.One party believes in a living wage, the other believes laissez-faire economics will solve our economic problems.

    We are in an economic civil war and these different world views are endangering the fabric of our society.  What the republican candidates are advocating by their tax position, is the right to exploit workers.
     

    • Anonymous

      I generally liked where you are going, but your government numbers in the first paragraph are woefully wrong:

      http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/10/22/opinion/20111023_DATAPOINTS.html?ref=opinion

      The point to be made on the Democrat’s “tax and spend” is that they want to do things with that money that the middle and lower classes CANNOT do ON THEIR OWN (as individuals) while the Republicans know that workers cannot buy useful health policies and have great problems saving for retirement but they simply do not care if hard-working people cannot rise to high-paying jobs that would allow them to pay for those kind of things.

      How many people can be CEOs and earn that kind of money? Are policemen, firemen, and teachers going to earn $1 million dollars a year anytime soon. If everyone should earn that kind of money, but not those three professions (and others also), who is going to do those jobs?

  • Brett

    Now he’s talking about 9-0-9?!?! (I guess he’s afraid to lose modest income earners’ votes.) Will we hear variations such as 0-9-0, 0-0-9, 0-0-0, and 9-0-0?

    P.S.-I’ve had Godfather’s Pizza™ and it’s not very good, about like Pizza Hut®

  • Brett

    Isn’t he that guy whose slogan is “the rent is just too damn high!” or something? …I can’t remember. 

  • Brett

    All of this hub bub, and not a word about pizza vouchers?!?! 

  • Gregg

    Herman Cain and Bill Clinton debate health care.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WP5dYfBBzU

    • Gregg

      Cool, they put the video up top.

    • CORY

      Talk about David vs Goliath…  Cain doesn’t even have a sling.

    • TFRX

      I’m sorry, I forget who was paying the rugged individualist Cain to do this. The Koch bros?

      • Dave in CT

        I think the Koch got him his first burger flipping job.

        Your DNC talking point posts are becoming a bore.

        • TFRX

          You should talk. And really, you should familiarize yourself with what “DNC” and “left of DNC” are.

      • Anonymous

        He was acting as spokesperson for the National Restaurant Assn., the other NRA.

        • TFRX

          Thanks.

          • Gregg

            I’m not smart enough to get all that.

  • Anonymous

    Thank god for the Arabs.

    Otherwise we’d be discussing the IX-IX-IX plan.

    • Gregg

      Good one!

  • Corb

    The headline said Cain accused the Wall Street Protesters of being jealous.  People protest because they feel there is injustice, and they have passion to correct the injustice, not because they’re jealous.  Like Warren Buffet who is not “jealous” when he points out that there is tax inequality, and that the inequality is legislated.  

  • NathanD

    Why isn’t Cain himself on the show?  You invited Huntsman, after all.  I’m afraid this is going to be “Let’s all dump on Cain without bothering to seriously consider his proposals” show instead of giving him a fair hearing.  We’ll see. 

    • Gregg

      I agree but I must say I am always surprised at how much more fair the show is than this blog.

      • CORY

        Conservatives are quite fond of pointing out that life isn’t fair.  Why must this comment section be fair?

        • Gregg

          Now that’s interesting. First, is the notion that life isn’t fair owned solely by Conservatives? No. Secondly, it was an observation without lament or demands. Third, it’s a compliment to On Point and Tom Ashbrook. Lastly, IMHO fair is better so that’s the way I try to roll. You can roll your own way.

        • Anonymous

          @e533c71f78b04b5363a41d402415bf87:disqus  @327b60c55221432e499267aebfb70c09:disqus  Actually this blog is a lot more fair than most. But conservatives like to play the “victim” when their “talking points” are not accepted as given truth but are shown to be false claims.

    • Anonymous

      Part of the problem with the media today is that in the interest of “balance” they far too often seriously consider ideas and proposals that are absurd or flat out wrong.  The only serious thing to consider about Herman Cain is the bizarre turn the Republican party has taken in the 21st century to actually consider candidates like Cain, Bachmann, Palin, Perry, etc.  John Huntsman is the only sane Republican in this race and he hasn’t got a chance.

      • Gregg

        On Point agrees. They had Huntsman on.

      • Anonymous

        Romney has many flaws but I’d classify him as sane also (as sane as a Republican can be).

      • NatahnD

        Well, you’re entitled to your opinion.  But I believe that Cain is the only candidate who has recognized the magnitude of the problems we face and has offered a bold, out-of-the-box solution. All we hear from the others is tweak this, tweak that and everything will be OK.  As for Obama, well, he just can’t get past the idea of soaking the rich, as if that will do any good. Pretty lame thinking, in my opinion.

        • Anonymous

          A bold out of the box solution is to implement a plan that would increase the deficit and raise taxes on the middle class?  In the real world, a solution actually addresses the problems at hand, it’s not a facile slogan pulled out of thin air.  Or possibly pulled from SimCity.
          http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/did-cains-9-9-9-plan-come-from-a-video-game/

          • NatahnD

            C’mon.  Don’t let yourself be brainwashed by all that scare-mongering.  This is not about raising taxes on the middle class.  It’s about throwing out a rotten system and restructuring so that all classes might restore some hope in their future.  

          • BHA in Vermont

            ROTFLMAO

            Think ‘percent of income’: Cain’s plan puts a federal 9% sales tax on EVERYTHING. Hits the poor and middle class much harder than the rich.
            9% business tax – you think that will reduce the price of goods sold? I would not bet on it.
            9% tax on investments? Most are held by the wealthy – They currently work hard to get as much as possible in the 15% Capital gains tax rate. 9%? They would happily pay that and wouldn’t even have to worry about the income source.

        • TFRX

          Returning marginal tax rates for people with over $250k to historical norms is politically popular, and signals that the 10 year “loaves for the rich, crumbs for the rest” holiday is over. And economists of all stripes say it makes sense, and it polls well with voters.

          But you call it “soak”, a word that apparently no longer has any meaning.

  • NatahnD

     Laurence Kotlikoff, a BU economist, wrote an interesting editorial for Bloomberg today pointing out how most economists have produced misleading analyses of all the candidates’ proposed policies.  I suggest to Tom Ashbrook that he read this before going live today. 

  • Anonymous

    With this reality-based circus playing out on the Republican stage, has anyone polled Republicans to find out how many are so fed up with this nonsense that they are ready to leave the party? Really now, at what point does honesty trump party affiliation? The OWS are putting the Democratic party on notice: time to break the shackles of their corporate  masters. When will this wakeup call reach the Republicans? The only qualifications that these folks really have is that they want to run for president and get rich off of it. 999? Seriously now…three years ago, the party was willing to risk Sarah Palin running the country if Mccain had been elected and died in office. When is someone in their party going to pick up the phone and dial 911?..
    Real friends don’t let friends campaing drunk.

  • Chad Carlson

    I have almost nothing in common with his social agenda, i.e., woman’s right to choose, immigration, but it is so darn refreshing to have a contender that doesn’t play the game, that is honest with what he truly belives. And the proposal to overhaul the impossibly complicated tax system, which politicians use to manipulate the voting public, overrides all othe considerations for me when choosing someone to vote for.

    • NatahnD

      Very well said.   

    • Anonymous

      Are you kidding?  He’s not honest.  He’s running a publicity stunt to sell books, make some cash, and make sure the Koch brothers’ agenda gets out there.  He’s bankrolled by them, he’s worked for them in the past, and most of his campaign staff, such as it is, were former American’s for Prosperity people.

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141393294

    • Michiganjf

      Doesn’t play the game???

         “I was just kidding about the electrified fence! No! I’m NOT backtracking on my comment!”

      Ha Ha! No, Cain doesn’t play politics!

      Typical conservative hears what he wants to hear.

    • Michiganjf

      How about “Read our Website! An independent analysis shows my 999 plan REDUCES taxes on the poor… the other candidates are simply WRONG!… WAIT! How about a 909 plan then?”

      Ha Ha! No, Cain “doesn’t play the game!”

    • nj

      Apparently, part of what Cain “truly believes” is that the lower and middle classes ought to assume more of the tax burden than people earning more money, which is the sum total of his regressive tax plan.

      That “simplicity” can be used as a tool to get people to support a plan that works against their interests (assuming Chad isn’t a member of the privileged class) is an odd commentary on our times.

      The world is a complex place. “Simple” solutions aren’t always appropriate ones.

    • Anonymous

      You are aware that he was deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve of Kansas City. That he has worked for the Koch brothers funded Americans for Prosperity. He’s as fake as a 3 dollar bill if he is claiming to be an outsider. His tax plan is a fraud, all flat tax ideas are regressive taxes that hurt the middle and poorer folks in the nation. I for one am not taken in by these plans as they are all about the top 1% getting more and the rest of us getting less.

      overrides all other considerations for me when choosing someone to vote for. I find this statement to be very troubling. Of course if you make over 300K a year the 999 plan would be great for you.

    • Anonymous

      Your comment makes it clear he’s a true pro at the game. 

  • CORY

    He’ll either be President (NOT!) or a wealthy celebrity paid speaker, ala Sarah Palin.  Next question…

  • TFRX

    Hermain Cain is featured in this America’s PAC ad from 2006. Didja ever wanna know about what the right says to African American voters when they think white suburbanites aren’t paying attention?

    http://crooksandliars.com/media/play/wmv/20800/

  • Anonymous

    I read the other day that Pat Robinson was worried that GOP was being to pulled to the right by the extremist in the party. I think when Pat Robinson is saying things like this one has to wonder. I mean Pat Robinson!

  • Michiganjf

    Tom,

       PLEASE don’t tiptoe around the stupidities Mr. Cain has uttered… the media is doing Americans enough of a disservice already in this regard!

  • Cabmanjohnny

    Herman’s election to office would be the lit fuse to move the complacent sheep citizenry from being victims of more economic civil war to some actual civil war. More downgraded incomes, job loss, home loss, lost faith in the system, higher indebtedness-taxes for the earned income class and of course more breaks for the unearned income pals.BOOM! So…

    • Anonymous

      @c0458c8c570937a3ceb65c47451e2710:disqus  Actually, the “sheep” are already rising! Haven’t you noticed the Occupy Wall Street protests and how it is spreading (world-wide as well as across the U.S)? And notice the majority of Americans SUPPORT them.

      There is no better indication of the effect that they can have that the Rightwing reaction to them; no one is more sensitive to potential enemies than the hard Right. The stages of a “revolution”:

      1) Ignore the subject in hopes it will go away.

      2) Ridicule the cause’s individuals in hopes their message will be contaminated.

      3) Openly fight and suppress the groups ignoring how it shows/makes their cause just.

      4) Recognize that the revolution has won and the old order has lost.

  • Yar

    I contend the working poor pay all of our taxes already.  The rich simply collect them for the government.  How much can you earn on your own sweat, without using the labor of others as a multiplier?  On the world market your own sweat is worth about 2 dollars per day.

    Here is an example of republican ideology:  
    You want to be rich?   
    If you were rich, you would not want to pay high taxes?  
    Who knows, you may be rich someday.  
    Vote for us, because when you get rich, we will take care of you.

    Republicans are smarter than democrats, they are much better at getting people to vote against their own best interests.

    • TFRX

      But Reagan was smart, wasn’t he? And he had to at least give lipservice (not that it wasn’t dogwhistled, winkwink, nudgenudge) to the idea that hard working working class Americans shouldn’t suffer.

      Today’s GOP’s message is: If you’re not rich, it’s your own damn fault. The richification of our mainstream media has a big hand in selling this message to the “riffraff”.

    • JboyD

      I agree with most of what you wrote.  However perhaps it is the Dems who are really the masters of getting people to vote against their own best interests.  The evidence for this is the Clinton and O’bama economic policies.  Most people who voted for these Wall Street fifth columnists still don’t know that they are just as responsible for the expanded influence of wall streets greed into ever aspect of our lives.

  • ConnyD2

    I really hope that he runs for the Reps. Then they will loose so bad that it will really be a race between the Dems and the candidate that some third party comes up with.

    • BHA in Vermont

      THAT would be interesting. However, the Republican candidate would win when the Democrat and third party split the vote. The Republican candidate would only need 34%.

      • Gregg

        That’s how Clinton did it.

  • GretchenMo

    Consumer confidence continues to fall due to Obama’s failure with the economy.  Americans are looking for an alternative; somebody who can back up their rhetoric, somebody who has been successful and can impart some of that to the rest of us, somebody whose leadership has been tested and proven, and somebody who can bring real change.  Maybe it’s Cain, maybe not, we don’t know who; we only know who it is not. 

    • John in Amherst

      Obama’s failure w/ the economy?  He has had constant obstruction by the GOP, who refuse to do anything but help the rich and large corporations through tax cuts – like the tax cuts of the Bush years did anything but grow the deficit and economic disparity.

    • BHA in Vermont

      So you are hanging the state of the economy solely on the President?

      If so, hang it on the president that started 2 unfunded was and cut taxes at the same time.

      The economy is in the toilet for primarily 2 reasons:
      - The housing bubble that burst with people getting loans they could never afford. Lots of graft going on with those loans.
      - The banks and financial institutions who chopped up all the cr@p loans into little tiny bits and sold them to people looking to invest their money.  And their credit default swaps. Made millions for them, crashed the banks and thus the economy when all the jobs were lost.

      • Dave in CT

        Or the President (Clinton) who brought us the late 90′s changes to the Community Reinvestment act (Democrats and Republicans working in a bipartisan banker spirit).

        Why do people defend the Dems? Why?

        The Road to hell is paved with good intentions.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act#Legislative_changes_1999“In 1999 the Congress enacted and President Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act. This law repealed the part of the Glass–Steagall Act that had prohibited a bank from offering a full range of investment, commercial banking, and insurance services since its enactment in 1933. A similar bill was introduced in 1998 by Senator Phil Gramm but it was unable to complete the legislative process into law. Resistance to enacting the 1998 bill, as well as the subsequent 1999 bill, centered around the legislation’s language which would expand the types of banking institutions of the time into other areas of service but would not be subject to CRA compliance in order to do so. The Senator also demanded full disclosure of any financial “deals” which community groups had with banks, accusing such groups of “extortion”.[56]In the fall of 1999, Senators Christopher Dodd and Charles E. Schumer prevented another impasse by securing a compromise between Sen. Gramm and the Clinton Administration by agreeing to amend the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (12 U.S.C. ch.16) to allow banks to merge or expand into other types of financial institutions. The new Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act’sFDIC related provisions, along with the addition of sub-section § 2903(c) directly to Title 12, insured any bank holding institution wishing to be re-designated as a financial holding institution by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System would also have to follow Community Reinvestment Act compliance guidelines before any merger or expansion could take effect.[57]“

    • Anonymous

      @9addc20368766b96d24edd8cd8b22f5b:disqus  It is unlikely that Obama could have implemented better legislation on the economy, but he sure could have framed the problem more accurately so that you and the rest of the country would have a better understanding of why the current state exists.

      1) The initial evaluation of the size of the Great Recession, on which Obama’s team made stimulus decisions beginning in November of 2008, was too small (although many thought then that it was a lot bigger). Thus the size of the ARRA was initially too small and included too large a portion as tax cuts (which only indirectly create jobs). But there were only 59 Democratic Senators until June/July when Al Franken’s victory in Minnesota was finalized, so a Republican was necessary for filibuster cloture. Arlen Spector agreed to vote for it if he was not alone and the two senators from Maine joined him, but the three required increasing the amount of tax cuts and decreasing the amount of aid to the states whose revenue was dropping rapidly due to consumer spending cutbacks (sales taxes) and unemployment growth (private sector layoffs). Thus the ARRA was like taking a few buckets of water to fight a fire that had already engulfed a few rooms of a house. The total amount of the ARRA amounted to just about the same as the states CUT in spending, so in total, there WAS NO STIMULUS! It did stop the bottom from falling out as the state cuts came later that the beginning of the federal spending, but the regrowth never got a strong enough boost to be self-sustaining.

      2)  The Obama administration always claimed that the ARRA was “just right-sized.” So when in the summer of 2009 when Christie Romer and others asked the administration to try for more stimulus, the politics of the situation was against it. And the Republicans had taken up their mantra against the deficit and debt. They claimed that Obama and the Democrats had increased Federal spending. But when TARP and ARRA, both TEMPORARY programs, are removed, there was no growth in federal employment as claimed; the growth in spending was for unemployment, Medicaid and food stamps, parts of the social safety net which is there to support people who run into trouble for NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN. These programs help people survive short recessions which in turn helps the working class accept employer firings and layoff rights.

      3)  The Obama administration “pivoted” to deficit reduction as necessary for recovery when more stimulus is. If the large majority of the current 14 million unemployed (and also of the 5 to 10 million more underemployed) were working most of the deficit problem would go away as they paid taxes on their earnings. Between 2009 and 2014 GDP will be over $5 TRILLION below what a full-employed economy would have generated. And the latest CBO (I believe) estimate is that full employment may not be reached until 2021! Who remembers the cliche that you have to spend some money to make money. Those numbers imply that another $1 trillion, horrors!, would be a good investment particularly when it can be borrowed cheap (approximately the rate of inflation, which means an effective ZERO interest). This fact is why the Republicans bring out the inflation hawks to try to use what WOULD happen in a normal economy as a threat of what increased borrowing now would cause. But as long as unemployment is above 6% THERE IS NO THREAT OF INFLATION. The commodity price increases are a function of economic growth in the whole world and the effects of Climate Change on agriculture and the food supply. These will occur whether the U.S. borrows or not; they will actually hurt Americans MORE if the U.S. economy is NOT growing and unemployment is not decreasing.

      • Gregg

        It wasn’t what he didn’t do, it’s what he did. We would have been far better off had there been no “stimulus”. And if Obamacare hadn’t been rammed down our throats it would be even better. There were no tax cuts in the bill, just tax credits which are different.

  • Brian

    I believe I’ve heard that Herman Cain is using campaign contributions to buy his own books for his profit at the end of the election (or once the flavor of the week is over).  Is there any truth to this?

    • Gregg
    • BHA in Vermont

      Sounds like a false rumor looking for a home. Repeat the question often enough and people will start stating it as fact.

      It be highly illegal. I really doubt anyone running for President is that stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan is terrible — it will raise taxes a lot on the poorest people, and lower taxes a lot on the richest people.  It will also cause the national debt to multiply several times larger than it already is.  I’m not sure if we can pay for even 1/10th of what we need?

    Mr. Cain’s tax plan is unworkable and irresponsible.  He is an interesting combination of a frank speaker who is glib at the same time.

    Neil

    • Anonymous

      @NeilBlanchard:disqus  While he promotes his role as a CEO, for the last 10 to 15 years Herman Cain has been a motivational speaker. That is where he has honed his ability to appeal to people who don’t look below the surface of what he is saying. It is also why his goof on the abortion question is notable.

  • BHA in Vermont

    The 9-9-9 plan and Perry’s 20% plan serve only to remove the smoke that hides how the rich get more and the poor and middle class get less.  Not only would either of these plans save the rich (including both candidates) a ton of income tax, they won’t have to pay their accountants to find them tax breaks.

    Let them eat cake

  • Anonymous

    Cain might appeal to the GOP base, but he needs to convince more of the public than that to won a presidential election.
    Mind you, Obama’s record is so bad that I bet Homer Simpson could run for president and win.

    • John in Amherst

      GOP obstructionism and the mess left by deregulation, policy blunders and tax cuts of the Bush presidency are so bad I bet Superman couldn’t turn things around in 3 years

      • Dave in CT

        How long are we going to keep looking at Half the problem?  

        wikiLegislative changes 1999In 1999 the Congress enacted and President Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act. This law repealed the part of the Glass–Steagall Act that had prohibited a bank from offering a full range of investment, commercial banking, and insurance services since its enactment in 1933. A similar bill was introduced in 1998 by Senator Phil Gramm but it was unable to complete the legislative process into law. Resistance to enacting the 1998 bill, as well as the subsequent 1999 bill, centered around the legislation’s language which would expand the types of banking institutions of the time into other areas of service but would not be subject to CRA compliance in order to do so. The Senator also demanded full disclosure of any financial “deals” which community groups had with banks, accusing such groups of “extortion”.[56]In the fall of 1999, Senators Christopher Dodd and Charles E. Schumer prevented another impasse by securing a compromise between Sen. Gramm and the Clinton Administration by agreeing to amend the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (12 U.S.C. ch.16) to allow banks to merge or expand into other types of financial institutions. The new Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act’sFDIC related provisions, along with the addition of sub-section § 2903(c) directly to Title 12, insured any bank holding institution wishing to be re-designated as a financial holding institution by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System would also have to follow Community Reinvestment Act compliance guidelines before any merger or expansion could take effect.[57]At the same time the G-L-B Act’s changes to the Federal Deposit Insurance Act would now allow for bank expansions into new lines of business, non-affiliated groups entering into agreements with these bank or financial institutions would also have to be reported as outlined under the newly added section to Title 12, § 1831y. (CRA Sunshine Requirements), satisfying Sen. Gramm’s concerns.[58][59]In conjunction with the above Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act changes, smaller banks would be reviewed less frequently for CRA compliance by the addition of §2908. (Small Bank Regulatory Relief) directly to Chapter 30, (the existing CRA laws), itself. The 1999 Act also mandated two studies to be conducted in connection with the “Community Reinvestment Act”:[60]the first report by the Federal Reserve, to be delivered to Congress by March 15, 2000, is a comprehensive study of CRA to focus on default and delinquency rates, and the profitability of loans made in connection with CRA;[61]the second report to be conducted by the Treasury Department over the next two years, is intended to determine the impact of the Act on the provision of services to low- and moderate-income neighborhoods and people, as intended by CRA.[62]On signing the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, President Clinton said that it, “establishes the principles that, as we expand the powers of banks, we will expand the reach of the [Community Reinvestment] Act”.[63]

        • Anonymous

          Both are flawed, but not equally flawed. 

        • nj

          Dave has turned into a spammer, posting the same stuff over and over. Sad.

          • Dave in CT

            Following your lead. Just more substantively.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t see it that way. I see Obama as a man who tired to placate the GOP and he lost. Did he take the GOP obstructionism to the people? No. Did he really try to make health care a real issue? No.
        Did he really go for a large enough stimulus to stem off the job losses? No.  I was not looking for Superman, I was looking for a strong President who could get something done.
        Anyway, it’s an election year and his record is what it is despite the big bad GOP. What this is to me is a sign of how dysfunctional the government is. That’s the real issue for me.

        • John in Amherst

          I’d have to agree that Obama has been far too conciliatory w/ the GOP (Great Obstructionist Party?), too timid in confronting the 24/7 propaganda on FOX and talk radio.  He eschewed sharp rhetoric sseeking to avoid bitter division-by-design, and ended up with bitter division by default.  He underestimated the GOP’s desire & ability to march in unison, and their willingness to sacrifice the good of the country to make him a one term president.  He kept holding onto the notion that the majority of voters could see past republican smoke and mirrors, follow logical arguments that require critical thinking and an attention span longer than a sound bite and pay attention to anything but parochial self interest.  He kept thinking that Congressional votes could be won with a simple majority, as is the design of the Constitution, and not the supermajority required by the machinations of the Senate GOP.  He has relied on recycled economic advice from too many of the same “financial wizards” that have dominated economic policy for the past decade and a half.  Government is disfunctional in the extreme, but I see no one on the political horizon vying for the nomination who is not an even bigger egomanical buffon or zealot.  The Catch 22 of the American presidency:  If you are crazy enough to want that job, you are too crazy to have it.      

  • Robert

    Cain’s position in the polls – like Bachman before him is a creation of the press and TV paying attention to him. The press determine who the nominees will be by their coverage. Cain is no more qualified than Bachman to be president – but the press lavishes them with coverage and free press – while ignoring more qualified candidates like Huntsman

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Being a governor is a better preparation for the presidency than being a CEO.  Governors have to deal with legislatures; they have to learn to compromise.  They have to understand that they represent every citizen, not just their own shareholders.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    How did Herman Cain get so far in the polls??  Not difficult to figure out.

    I saw a guy driving a mercedes on the freeway over a year ago with a huge Herman Cain sign on the roof.   The car was decorated with Israeli flags.   My thought was he must be another neocon crackpot.

    So obviously Herman made an impression on a very critical constituency in the USA.    And he is most likely to sacrifice more US youth to die and return maimed in futile expansionist wars in the middle east.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Let’s see, you just implied support for a candidate from the state of Israel in exchange for foreign policy decisions–you were wanting an example of your anti-Semitism.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Hey Greg Camp,  You can kiss my derriere with your tired accusations of “anti-semitism”.   I’ll criticize Israel, their lobbies and their lackeys, all I want.

        For your information,   I never hated people for their race or ethnicity, and I never killed anyone.   Can you say the same about the state of Israel???   You are a colossal hypocrite.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

          You accuse me of anti-semitism because I
          ” implied support for a candidate from the state of Israel in exchange for foreign policy decisions-”  

          Are you serious Greg Camp???   I dont have to imply such a thing,  IT IS STANDARD POLITICAL REALITY. 
          How many congressmen where recently flow to Israel on the taxpayers dime, eighty something???   

          I don’t see congressmen flying en mass to Spain or Greece.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            And why would they fly to Spain or Greece?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            My point.  They dont have to fly to Spain or Greece.  But why dont you tell us Why do ALL US politicians have to fly to Israel ??  

          • Plushkin

            To see what they won’t be shown on the orchestrated and paid for trips to arab world for Raufs and his ilk. I haven’t seen Pelosi in Israel, albiet I don’t care much for her either. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            She’s been.

          • Plushkin

            good to know. At last something positive about her. I’ll keep that in mind.

          • Modavations

            My second favorite jihadist.You don’t have a jet liscence,do you

        • Plushkin

          can you say that about ANY state? See you’re a one issue monkey and anti-semite.

  • Anonymous

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66258.html

    “It’s the most unappetizing,” said Nellis after just one bite. “The cheese is really sour! The crust is like a sponge.”

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    ConnyD2

    What will they loose?

    Remember that the Republicans ran a similar candidate in 2000.  Your scenario may have the same ending.

    • Anonymous

      Edit that before Mr Camp corrects you.  :)

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        We are the English Department.  Resistance is futile. . .

  • Dave in CT

    You can hear the disdain dripping from Latte-Democrats, who claim to be for the little guy, at the notion of Herman Cain flipping burgers and making pizza.

    Starbucks good. Burger King evil.

    The guy actually walked the road he has. To deny respect to that, and refuse that such a path has anything of value to offer is the height of arrogance.

    At this point, I’ll take a burger flipper over Larry Summers any day.

    But people love to put their hopes Central Planning Technocrats, who are just as mortal, and know just as little about the future as anyone, but who have the arrogance to force their visions on the rest of us, vs. letting the people make their own choices to drive the economy, in a truer, more bottom up free market of ideas, goods and services.

    • TFRX

      For a libertarian, you really are committed to your rightwing stereotypes of lefties.

      • Dave in CT

        I didn’t think I need to go into leftwing stereotypes of the GOP around here, you guys are pros.

        Its just too bad your brush is so broad, we can’t actually come up with a focused agenda that a large majority of Americans could get behind.

        Such a focus has to preserve liberty which half the country appreciates, and sock it to colluders in Washington and Wall St. which the other half or more appreciate.

        Understanding, and re-establishing the Rule of Law and free, not rigged, markets, would do that.

        Neither GOP cronyism nor DNC cronyism/Democratic Socialism, will ever win the day, or bring us the change we need.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          What’s your proposal?

          • nj

            Dave has no proposal. He has a cache of catch words repeated in a limited number of ever-more-boring and              vacuous combinations: Rule of Law, crony capitalism, socialism, liberty, free market, central planning…

            Don’t ask about specifics, there’s nothing there.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            There’s something to what he has to say–the idea of a genuine level playing field, law applying to everyone, and so forth.  I’d just like to see what his specifics are.

          • Dave in CT

            If you are too much of a moron to look into those concepts, and try to understand what they are, and how they relate to our current situation, that’s your problem.

            Why don’t you try and post anything, something, of substance and relevance.

            Don’t they give you talking points at the DNC?

          • Dave in CT

            That’s what I was mentioning on the next hour board….

            We need to start really talking about how to get the Rule of Law working again.

            80%+ in the country must be able to see who is “guilty”, from corrupted politicians to scheming Wall St Bankers.

            We need a mechanism to put these guys on trial for criminal intent, corrupt intent, market rigging intent, etc etc, and a jury-style trial that lets regular people judge whether ill-intent was there, and be able to convict.

            We need to start going over nuts and bolts.

            I don’t have all the answers, I just hope we can see clearly enough to find some common cause and get to work.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            An evenly applied rule of law is one reform that we need.  I want to see a set of social programs that are actually beneficial for citizens–healthcare, education, and so forth.

            My principle is that individuals need to be free to act, while groups need to be regulated.

          • JustSayin

            You just ordered about ten ideological Ayn Rand and Libertarian links… Oops! forgot to use the politically correct euphemisms: Rule of law and liberty links.

        • Anonymous

          You talk about using a broad brush when this is what you are doing yourself. Kind of a hypocritical in my view.

          Understanding and re-establishing the rule of law, free markets?

          What do you mean by the rule of law. Free markets is one of the bromides that sound good but the reality is anything but free.

    • Ray in VT

      I won’t begrudge his success.  Good for him.  He worked hard and did well for himself.

      The idea, though, that everything will be just great if we just let the economy run wild without restraints or restrictions is ridiculous.  Pure capitalism is an ugly thing.  We don’t know what it’s like to live without worker or environmental protections.  Take a look at the late 19th and early 20th centuries if you want to see how companies will treat workers and the environment if they can do as they like.

      Planned economies such as exist in some totalitarian countries don’t work, but laissez-faire is just as unworkable in the modern world.  I’ll trust the government to set the ground rules before I trust private industry.

    • Anonymous

      First off Cain is not a burger flipper. Second, you’re disdain for liberals is all to evident and dripping with contempt.
      All this crap about the road this guy as walked, so what. Is he capable to be President should be the question.

      This comment is nothing more than a load of bull served up with nasty rhetoric.

      Your libertarian social Darwinism is disgusting.
       

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    GODFATHER PIZZA?    Great,  an African-American using an detrimental Italian-American stereotype in his marketing, while he interlopes into Italian cuisine.    I have no respect for this type of insulting opportunist. 

     

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      I suppose that you don’t like the movie, either, Il Signori Caruso.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Hey Greg,  are you still crying anti-semitism or are YOU just being a bigot?   

        I don’t appreciate people who exploit other people’s cultures and heritage to sell food and make movies… you know…like in Hollywood.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Or perhaps you’re just too serious for your own good.  Lighten up.  Or do you really want to insist that gangsters are exclusively and Italian phenomenon?  That doesn’t seem to be something that you’d want to claim.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Exclusivity???  Certainly not,  plenty of other REAL gangsters besides the Italians in Hollywood movies.   You know who they are. You can certainly include Wall Street Bankers and Neocon war mongers, and other cabals, exclusive associations  and corporate cartels.    Those people who conspire in secret groups to exploit, rob and cause death to others.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            My point was that Godfather’s Pizza is using a popular icon of our culture.  There were genuine godfathers, and many of them were Italian.  A pizza company got some marketing advantage from that.  So what?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            What you call a “popular icon”  is a Hollywood created over embellished slur upon Italians in America.   For some strange reason, all the other ethnic gangsters do not seem to get the same exposure from Hollywood.    Look at Meyer Lansky,  they make a movie about him casting the lovable Richard Dreyfus, as a jovial and patriotic family man.   The movie missed the part that he co-started Murder Incorporated and was a hired killer.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            Oh, right, Al Capone was just a Hollywood character.  Perhaps you’ve also missed the many movies about black gangs?  If this is the best that you can come up with, you’ve got nothing to complain about.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Greg,  I could make your head spin with reality, but I do not have that kind of time, and we are getting a bit off the subject on this forum.
             

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            I doubt it.  You see monsters in every shadow and conspiracy theories in every event.  Your understanding of reality is better suited for a Hollywood thriller.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Reality is based on facts… NOT Hollywood.
            And there is indeed monsters and conspiracies in the shadows.
            What else could explain murderous US foreign policy that serves no benefit to its own people??

          • Plushkin

            facts constitute reality. 

          • Plushkin

             This comment should be framed and placed in every room of Paolo’s house. Might help him a great deal.

          • Plushkin

             BS. Never seen “Once upon a time in America” ?

    • BHA in Vermont

      A Godfather’s pizza is as close to Italian food, especially pizza in Italy, as a Cornish hen is to a stuffed Thanksgiving turkey.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    I have come to realize that politics in the USA is just more BREAD and CIRCUS – not an effective process of democracy,  but a diversionary charade.

    And essential in any circus is its CLOWNS.    The show must go own!

  • at

    Strangely enough, when I was just a buccolic youth, I had the same attitudes about work and wealth that Cain expouses.  When I grew up and actually studied the system that brought us I still think he would be totally correct, IF there was no corruption by our laws and government by Wall Street manipulations.

    • at

      sorry — should be “that brought us to our present dilemma ”

      I blame my inferior Microsoft wireless keyboard for all typos, misspellings, and errors in grammar that it commits in my name.

    • Dave in CT

      Exactly.  

      “IF there was no corruption by our laws and government by Wall Street manipulations.”

      People can’t handle that truth though. They want a Socialistic easy answer.

      Re-establishing the Rule of Law is too radical for folks here.

      • Anonymous

        We have the rule of law, but the laws are flawed.  The Capitalist easy answers aren’t going to solve the problems either. 

        • Dave in CT

          1) Yes, the laws are flawed, that what I mean by “re-establishing” the rule of law.
          2) A key aspect of classical Rule of Law, is that it is NON-DISCRETIONARY. It needs to be followed and prosecuted dispassionately and equally, and not be modified, or loopholed, which gives us the corruptible Rule of Men, and not the Rule of Law we want. It also is a set of rules that outline the playing field, but do NOT legislate ENDS or OUTCOMES. It protects freedom of people to pursue ENDS by varied means, whatever ends seem best to individuals as long as within the law.The discretion and the legislating ends, is what corrupts and twists our law, to become tools of the unaccountable elite, instead or restraining them.

          • Anonymous

            We already have “the rule of law”.  That law said it was not illegal to facilitate and encourage liars loans, then use your position of trust to transfer the certain loss therefrom under false pretenses, and pocket billions in fees from the process while paying the lowest tax rate on that take in the history of our country. 

            The law has been followed and you seem to be unhappy with the result.

            Maybe it’s the law you have a problem with.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Not for everyone.  I’m all in favor of the rule of law.  I add programs that benefit individuals over groups, but that’s a debate on policy, not a fundamental disagreement.

      • AndyF

        Would any of you who keep using the word “Socialist” please take a moment and learn what the heck you are talking about.  Are you aware what “Nazi” stood for?  “National Socialists”.  Now think back if you know any history (and if you dont, study it!)…  The Nazi’s spouted endless lies and half truths.  They taught their populous to hate based on race and religion.  And of course, they engaged in tumultuous and dead-end wars.  Does any of that sound familiar today?

        Yes it does – look at Bush/Cheney and then at the current batch of Republican candidates, Cain included.  They all spout lies and half-truths, they all preach hate and indifference to not only immigrants, but Americans as well, and where do you think any of those people are going to take us – probably invading Iran based on another set of “scare Americans with lies” like Bush/Cheney did.

        Amazing that Repubs and their supporters LOVE to throw around the socialists/socialism word, but they dont have a clue that labeling someone a socialist is one thing – but actually living its dictum (as they all do) is quite another.

      • at

        Many years ago when I was an apprentis glassblower in Warwick NY, I drove into the city to see Men At Work at the Ritz.  There were no advanced ticket sales, they were big at the time. The line was around the block, and as fate would have it I ended up standing next to that Hornblower who I later saw in the doc. Born Rich. He has his group of sycophants around him and I guess he was getting bored with their yesmanship, so he started to talk to me, interview me really.  At first he didn’t believe that I lived on a farm, then he decided that maybe it was time for me to be discovered. I told him that if I produced quality art glass I would be discovered. He evidently though me so naive that we hung out for the rest of the night.  Later I was to find out that he was correct, not only that but these people even determine to some extent who receives many of the grants we associate with scientific research, their corruption knows  no limits because they have too much money for a few people to control.  It is just too dangerous to have people of such moral ambiguity with such power.  Actually Hornblower was  a pretty nice guy, that’s not the point.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not sure what your point is here. That some wealthy entitled entity was right about being entitled.

      • Anonymous

        @Dave_in_CT:disqus  @5d6be00bf405ff2ef6ff644cbe88fc0a:disqus  Dave, I think you misunderstood (deliberately?) at’s comment: he was saying that the super-rich investment bankers are the ones that corrupted the laws so they could violate ethical principles previously built into the law without actually violating them. Thus the bankers “socialized their business risks,” taking the profits and leaving the losses to the taxpayer.
        Why is regulating banking a “Socialistic easy answer?” Your approach is “the easy answer!” Watch Monday night’s Charlie Rose program with Paul Volker to get the full picture on why Dodd-Frank is needed.

        http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11964

        Also, watch the film, “Margin Call” to understand the crass inhumanity that the rich elite can exhibit.

        • Dave in CT

          They corrupted it in large part through the Democratic Party.

          My approach is asking for us to re-establish a Rule of Law that prohibits the discretion and loopholes that both parties use to let their banking bank-rollers act without consequence.

          Believe me, as you see around here, it’s not an “easy answer”, people aren’t even talking about it!

          Amorphous occupations of wall st, blaming markets, or simply thinking we need to elect more Democrats (or GOPers), is the simple answer.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Cain is apparently smart enough to realize that Americans want simplicity.  He’s presented a simple plan, and he has the media savvy to sell it.  The fact that we can’t learn our lesson is a sad commentary on who we’ve become.

    • John in Amherst

      Simple solutions are great for simple problems.  Simple solutions for complex problems have appeal, especially for simple voters.  Unfortunately, our problems are incredibly complex, and, as in the case of the current economic crisis, have variables like the rest of the world’s economic woes, that are beyond our control.  Most voters who are drawn to Cain, it would seem, lack the ability to think critically or concentrate for longer than a sound bite.

  • Dpweber83

    Who is the current genius calling in?  The guy who says the candidate who’s currently on a book tour isn’t “in it for himself?”

    -dan
    Boston, MA

  • spencer

    You show the clip on him vs Clinton without ever making the point that it was Clinton who was correct and that Cain’s math was wrong.

    this is your problem with dealing with political reporters.  They never check their facts and treat each claim as if it were equally valid.

    I say this as an economist  who actually checked the data.

  • at

    If his government would be as good as his pizza, there will be armed revolt. Who can eat that crap?

    • TFRX

      It takes a decent salesman to sell it, I guess.

      The problem is that his tax policy is no better than Godfather’s Pizza is reputed to be.

      (Disclaimer: I’ve been to Wooster St in New Haven, so…)

  • TFRX

    I’m sorry, from the clapping that Cain’s answer to a Bloomberg reporter, it sounds like he’s at a pep rally or GOP debate.

    What is the most serious interview he’s sat for as a candidate? And, as a Republican, is he going to do the regular “protective custody” thing from now until Election Day (or as long as he’s in it)?

  • Doc Downs

    You know, if you think about it, if the Republicans really just want Obama out, Cain would be a good choice. It would remove race card from the decision process.

  • AndyF

    The greatest single failure of the entire American experiment is that to this day, we fail utterly to learn from our own history.  There are countless examples, but simply think of Vietnam and what we DIDNT learn from that failure – then think about Iraq and Afghanistan – two wars just like Vietnam where we had no clue what we were really doing, didnt really care about the soldiers killed, let alone the tens of thousands of innocents caught in the rampage, and in all those cases, in the end, we wasted lives and treasure to make the world a more dangerous, NOT safer place.

    Now look at the entire field of Republican candidates, Cain included.  Not a single one of them has a clue about “the average American” and they all stand by idly while people cheer the idea of letting other Americans or immigrants die.  Now think back to the recent Bush Administration.  Did we learn anything?  Not a single thing – these current Republican candidates, Cain included, dont give a rat’s backside about average Americans – they are in it for greed and power and elect any of them and be assured, they will gladly lead us down the same foolish path that G. Bush and Cheney just did.

    The Republican party has long since lost the concepts around in the Eisenhower Republican era and have changed the party to be a rich man’s club where the rich only get richer and like Cain says, screw the poor, its their own problem.  yeah, right…  Talk about insensitivity!!!

    Elect Cain, or any of those other elitists and we will have another 4-8 years of Republican Hell where the rich get richer, the poor get spit on, and the average Americans continue to completely disappear.

    • at

      Which is unlike the fate of the poor under the latest democrats how?

  • Michiganjf

    Gee, imagine that!

       … the wealthy lying to the gullible that tax cuts to the rich will actually benefit the poor, and the Republican poor believing it… THAT’S something we’ve never seen before.

  • Richard in Vt

    I believe alot of Americans are put off and possibly afraid of a man that has worked his way up from modest beginningss.
    I think Cain has much to contribute to the politics that the US faces now.
    On a lighter note, Mr Cain sings much better than Mr Clinton played his horn.  We cut Mr Clinton a huge amount of slack while he was President.  Why not give Mr Cain an honest look and think how his experience could help fix our country.

    • Ray in VT

      I think that Mr. Obama started out pretty low on the ladder, so I’m not afraid of someone who works his way up.  I think that I know enough about Mr. Cain.  Cut taxes on the rich and corporations.  Raise taxes on the poor, while cutting the social safety net.  Keep the government just big enough to make the choice for women on abortion.  It’s just more of the same from the GOP.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Will his lack of knowledge harm his position with Republicans?  Do we recall George W. Bush?

  • Rex

    Herman Cain speaks in third person.  Should we question that?

    Discuss

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      At least he doesn’t use the first person plural as much.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1816544 Dan Trindade

    It seems to me that his instability as a candidate will lead him to be the Nader of the Republican Primary. And honestly, that sounds good to me.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Have we ever heard a Democrat accused of waffling?  Cain does it in one sentence.

  • Ellen Dibble

    There is something so gratifying about a person so grounded, so forthright.  I liked Herman Cain from the git-go.  But I have a kind of Teflon reaction to these people, ones who climb like crazy and get where they intend to, more or less.  What I do not want is such an individual as president of the United States.  Wasn’t it by losing his place at Apple that Steve Jobs learned how his skills and drive fit into the lifeblood of his very own company, his world?  It’s one thing to be responsible for yourself; but it’s another thing to be responsible as a president, which suggests being responsible for the entire nation.
       

    • Gregg

      I think that was the appeal of Sarah Palin as well. A President becomes the most powerful person in the world and is pulled in a thousand different directions by very strong factions. After a while the power consumes, the corruption corrupts and if that grounding does not exist then there is no rudder in the shark infested waters.

      I was not one who criticized Obama’s lack of experience during the campaign because I think, while important, it is not crucial. Cain is not my first choice but I could vote for him.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Carl in Nashville,

    I love it–the manure theory of American politics.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve heard it called the mushroom treatment — keep us in the dark and feed us manure…

      Neil

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        It’s dangerous to allow fungi to grow.  Those things take over all too easily.

        • nj

          Our lives depend, in part, on fungi. Thankfully, they grow without our license. 

  • Erin in Iowa

    These “conservatives” wouldn’t know the difference between a paper cut and a decapitation!  The EPA kills people now?  When did the EPA even regulate the SALE of farm equipment?  SELLING farm equipment is not the same as USING farm equipment. Get over yourself.  That’s what Herman Cain would say!

    • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

      What the EPA does in large part is protect the commons and the people from business and even government taking shortcuts that degrade the environment and negatively affects people’s health. It’s a way of finally bringing these once HIDDEN costs into the market… which is why some businesses revile the EPA… more so with the goading of the political Right.
      But the price for such business practices WILL BE PAID BY SOMEONE. The Right would prefer the good old days when private profits were subsidized by the public who will pay the price of degraded health and environment. Business has found its escape hatch in the form of free trade. We’ve outsourced much our pollution and these hidden prices are paid by nations overseas. How goddamn noble of us.   
       

  • Doc Downs

    The saddest part of the whole situation is that a ‘common’ man CAN NOT become president. It’s too expensive. You have to be among the elite to have a chance.

    • Anonymous

      I was told constantly in grade school that I could grow up to be the president of the US. I didn’t realize until I was an adult I had a better chance at being Santa Clause with little elves for workers. 

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    What race means in America?  Of course, everything must be about race.  How silly of us. . .

  • Bill

    Race is involved.

    We have a “black” president who is 50% white and 50% black – I have yet to hear how that is suppose to work.

  • John

    Looks to me like the liberals are upset that we’re depriving them of the argument that to oppose Barak Obama’s ideology is to espouse racism.  I think it’s refreshing to see a presidential candidate in the field that actually posesses more testosterone than Hillary Clinton.

    • Anonymous

      Nice try. But this is bunk.

    • Cicero

      I think that it would be great to see a black candidate from the GOP.  Lets see how many of the racists that support the GOP can stomach voting for a black man.  We know that the Klan hasn’t voted for the Democrats since the civil rights era, so bring it on.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Is Dave Montgomery covering the Perry campaign or campaigning for Perry?

    • TFRX

      How does this show manage to do this?

      Remember the Minnesotan who sounded like Bachmann’s press agent?

  • Ellen Dibble

    Perry’s plan keeps the mortgage deduction.  I think I heard he’d cut the national budget by a trillion dollars, NOT including defense in that.  It’s a no-brainer there would be a lot less money in the treasury, because given an option, people would choose the tax plan that they owe less under.  Not more.  Very few would pick the one that pays more.  So by any calculation, the IRS would be taking in less money.  Safety nets?  Social security?  Health insurance costs?  The elephants in the room?

    • BHA in Vermont

      I suspect Perry is digging his hole deeper.

      The VALUE to a ‘flat tax’ system is in getting the tax code from 100,000 pages to one. Makes it easier for people to do their taxes and nobody gets to hide any income.

      But a ‘flat tax’ inherently benefits the rich and screws the rest. And you can bet your last dollar (if you have any left) that the ‘flat tax’ will be corrupted with deductions, credits and what ever other loophole the rich and powerful want over time. Gets right back to the ‘current’ system.

      And Perry goes one better. He puts in a $12,500 exemption, plus $12,500 for each dependent. Then he leaves in the Mortgage Interest deduction for those making less than $500K (is that calculated before or after the multiple $12.5K deductions?). A family of 4 would pay no tax on income of $62,500 (exclusive of that HMI deduction). He’s already dropped that 20% tax for the $1M earner to 18.75% (less if they have HMI which is likely), substantially less than they are paying now, after working the system as much as they can to legally avoid taxes. So the poor and lower middle class pay nothing, the upper class pay a lot less and somehow this will improve the financial state of the country?

      And instead of slimming the government by cutting out most of the printing and processing costs, he decides the current system will be retained so everyone can choose. He is adding MORE cost to the system, not reducing it.

      Where is the candidate who will propose NO DEDUCTIONS and a GRADUATED tax rate?

      You can afford to pay 9% (or 20% or 30% or 40% or 50%) if you make $1,000,000. You can not afford 9% if you are making $20,000.

    • Modavations

      In my opinion, 30% of the govt is needless.Get rid of the redundancy and the heat is off.Five agencies for Salmon in Salt water and another 5 ,when they cross into fresh water.Ever see the Japanese soldiers, that come out of the caves,bearded and ragged,thirty years after the end of the war.We have govt.agencies that “time has forgotten”

      • Ray in VT

        What 30%?  People always like to talk about waste in government, and it is there, no doubt about it, but they always get lost when it comes to specifics.  I think that a lot of what we’ve spent in Iraq over the past 8+ years has been waste.

        • Modavations

          In the 70′s the Dept of Energy was established to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.At the time we imported 30%.Now we impot over 60%,but we do have Solyndra and Sun Power.

          • Ray in VT

            And what’s the “free market” approach?  We sure don’t want the government telling companies to make their vehicles more efficient, right?  There’s only so much oil in the ground, and China is going to hand us our rear ends in areas like solar technology, because they have committed to investing in it so that they can dominate the market.  While we quibble about the role of government, they are going to leave us in the dust.

          • Modavations

            The market gave us the Prius. It was not successful because of govt.edict.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            And we should NOT have a department to coordinate a national energy policy?  The DOE is only as useful as the party that’s in the Whitehouse. If one party is in the pocket of big oil and believes we have the right to waste any resource we can afford… and the market can solve any mess we make… they’ll tend to sabotage any such energy polices.
             

          • Modavations

            Since the advent of the Dept.of Education,scores have steadily declined.This year,American students scored their worst scores ever, in all 7 disciplines.

          • Guest

            Moda you’re a freaking idiot. You’re confused even by the letter E.

            YOU brought up the dept of ENERGY then you evade Ultrax’s response and start babbling about the dept of EDUCATION.

  • Bill

    it’s all BS

    flat tax is how to get those with more to pay less and those with less to pay more

    and you can’t pay down the debt by everyone paying less

    and – no jobs will be created as long as the poor and middle class have no money to spend – all these plans create a situation where they will have much less to spend

  • BHA in Vermont

    Privatize Social Security:
    It was a STUPID idea when Bush suggested it. Then the market crashed.

    I can’t believe anyone is STUPID enough to again suggest putting the safety net in a system where the wise caution:
    “Do NOT put any money in the market that you can not afford to lose” 

    • Ray in VT

      When this sort of privitization was proposed during the Bush administration there was open revolt in some segments of the GOP.  Where are those voices today?

      • BHA in Vermont

        I suspect we will hear them if Perry gets any traction with his tax plan. For now there is no need to jump him on it. It would look bad for the party.

    • TFRX

      It’s amazing how our media uberlords minimize the disaster that was politically and the revulsion we riffraff expressed for it at the time.

      The reality has simply been retconned out of media existence, and I fear that our host is too polite about it all.

    • Modavations

      Tell that to the Brits and Chileans.Every time they open the soc.sec.lock box,moths fly out

      • TFRX

        Chile is a perfect example of how privatizing SocSec sucks. Thanks for making it for us.

        • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

          Privatize Social Security is insane.

          • TFRX

            (Oops. My word choices would have been clearer with vocal intonation and non-verbal language. Privatizing SocSec is the wrong solution to a problem which doesn’t exist.)

        • Modavations

          The moths that fly out the lock box, are worth more then the IOU’s, that replaced the 2.5trillion surplus.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            If there is an actuarial imbalance the solution is clear… change some of the variables… retirement qualifications, payout, taxation levels. No one guts an entire system for small problems.
             

          • Modavations

            I’m proud of you lad.You’ve keep your speel to one paragraph.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        In a pay as you go system there is NO LOCK BOX. We have a SS surplus now because in 83 we Baby Boomers started paying extra to fund current retirees as well as our own retirement.

        • Modavations

          The Ious are special issue bonds.They can not be sold on the open market.They are accounting gimmicks.One govt.agency lending to another.LBJ stole the money and now the 2.5bill surpplus isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.SS wasn’t supposed to turn negative for another 5 years.I know you’re Barney Frank.My eyes are everywhere.

          • Guest

            Have real world numbers on what LBJ stole? Didn’t think so.

          • ulTRAX

            You’re confusing billions and trillions. I know, all those zeroes are confusing. Just what could LBJ “steal”? The entire off budget surplus in FY68 totaled only 2.581 billion. It was $160.681 billion in FY01. Even Bush2 didn’t steal this money. But he did use it to cover up his deficits.  And your proof LBJ “stole” this money is????  

    • Gregg

      Is the option to invest a very small portion of your retirement as you see fit “privatization”?

  • Dave

    As I listen to the GOP candidates, it’s clear to me that they didn’t begin their campaigns with any ideas, only with criticism of the President.  Now as they roll out their tax proposals, it’s obvious they haven’t even thought through them.  The numbers don’t add up.  Cain is an entertaining guy and a self-made man.  That makes him interesting.  But he doesn’t have a serious plan for America, and neither do the others, with the possible exception of Ron Paul.  Agree with him or not, at least Paul’s been consistent throughout his career.

    • Modavations

      Are you telling me Prez.Obama,who thinks there are 57 states and who thinks they speak Austrian in Austria,could run the Godfather Pizza Chain

      • Ray in VT

        So you’re saying that the President is stupid?  He may have mis-spoken in that instance, but he’s not dumb.  If you think that he is, then then you probably think that people like Rush Limbaugh are intellectual giants.

        • Modavations

          Thick as a brick.Show me his SAT’s.Show me something he wrote as Pres.of Harvard KLaw Journal

          • Ray in VT

            I’m pretty sure that he’s smarter than either you or me.  I’m not so sure about Bush II or someone like Bachmann.  How do we know that he took the SATs?  Where his SAT certificate!  I can only come to the conclusion that you are so blinded by either your personal ideology or your dislike of the president as to deny basic realities.

          • Modavations

            In the late 60′s me and a pal were out on Isla de Mujeres.A hurricane was approaching and 7 cuban Shrimpers were given sanctaury.The Cubans were not allowed off their boats.When the “all clear”was given,all the Cubans  jumped over board.Thousands of Mexicans jammed the shore and waved them in.I’ve been at war with the Left ever since.Not to mention, that you’re the bighgest rascists I’ve ever seen

          • Ray in VT

            Are you just delusional?  You don’t want immigrants coming in, fine.  We have a real problem there.  But to call liberals the “bighgest racists I’ve ever seen” leads me to one of two conclusions.  That you’ve either never seen the old Southern Democrats who jumped ship when Kennedy and Johnson backed desegregation or you are uninformed as to the definition of the term.  I don’t see a lot of racism on the left.  Who does the Klan vote for?  It’s not for what passes as the liberal party in America.  The GOP consistently panders to the bigots of this country.

          • Modavations

            Dude,the point was the Cubans weren’t going back to Cuba.They sought freedom.Lincoln freed the slaves,the rascist southerners were the Dixiecrats.Eisenhower liberated Littlerock,Nixon passed the Civil Right Laws,Robert Byrd was the last of the KKK.LBJ gave us the heinous welfare state.The business of the Dem.Party is keeping poor people poor.

          • Anonymous

            The Dixiecrats switched parties. 

          • Modavations

            I know,I know.And secretly Mao,Stalin,Hitler,Fidel,Pol Pot were laissez faire.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Moda thinks that if the GOP gave us Lincoln, then even though they pretty much have been the lapdogs of big money since the 1880s, they can still be trusted to be for the oppressed and little guy.

          • Michele

            The Civil Rights Act was signed in 1964 by L. Johnson who also signed the Voting Rights Act into law in 1965.  Nixon created the EPA.   

          • Modavations

            My apologies madam,but surely you get my drift

          • Modavations

            Evidently I wasn’t clear.The Cubans loathed Communism.They swam to freedom

  • TFRX

    Dave Montgomery said that the Wall Street Journal recommended Perry’s tax plan.

    For anyone following along at home, that the WSJ’s editorial page, not their news department.

    Massive, massive difference.

    • Modavations

      Laffer, of Laffer curve fame, gave the plan a thumbs up.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        As if Laffer was ever right about anything? Reagan promised a balanced budget in 4 years AND to start paying down debt. If Laffer approves of something, that’s a red flag it’s time to run for the hills.

        • Modavations

          Has anyone ever seen Ultrax and Barney Frank in the same room?

          • Anonymous

            Pathetic, you truly are pathetic.

          • Modavations

            Arn’t you the guy, who told that poor girl to go die of cancer.That was one of the most offensive things I have ever heard.

          • Anonymous

            I thought that was Ron Paul (if she lacked insurance).

          • Anonymous

            No it was not me. You are so pathetic it’s really sad. You are a very sad pathetic little man. You say you’re a small businessman, well I feel sorry for the people who have work for you, I really do.

          • Modavations

            I will never forget it.That poor girl said she wouldn’t post here again.I’ll never in my life,forget that callousness.Maybe you can give TomA. a bribe to remove the post.I just checked and it’s still there

          • Modavations

            I went back and checked.Maybe you’ve forgotten,so go reread your posts on Elder care ,from last week.How pathetic that you deny.I will never forget.Rarely have I ever seen such cruelty.The poor lady said she’d have to think about posting, as she’d been so maligned.

          • Gregg

            She hasn’t been back.

          • Modavations

            She was a sweety.I hope she comes back.I’ll guard her rear,you guard the fore.

      • Ray in VT

        You mean the widely discredited Laffer Curve?  Laissez-faire is a joke.  It leads to massive wealth for some, relative poverty for many and the degradation of the environment in the name of making a quick buck.

        • Modavations

          Yes I’m refering to Regan’s economist.Rhose two ninnies oversaw the creation of 20 miillion jobs.The period of unbridled growth and prosperity.Of course,if you are socialist-communist,he’s the devil

          • Ray in VT

            Bull.  Laffer’s premise was that you could cut tax rates and raise government income, and that didn’t happen.

            Wages have been stagnant for nearly 40 years, except for the period of the late 1990s, when Clinton was president.  Oh wait, I forgot that the boom of the late ’90s was due to Reagan.  I’ll take democratic socialism over the religious corporatist vision of the right any day.

          • Modavations

            Revenues doubled

          • Ray in VT

            From when to when, from what source and in real or inflated dollars.  Total revenues doubled under Clinton when tax rates were somewhat raised, in part because George H.W. Bush realized that it was necessary.

          • Anonymous

            You are wrong, period. Trickle down failed. Even David Stockman agrees.

          • Modavations

            The revenues came in and the solons,as usual,spent it and spent some more.

          • ulTRAX

            This lie is right from Limbaugh… revenues doubled under Reagan and the Dems spent it. This is how the Orwellian Right can have their cake and eat it. They can claim tax cuts created a revenue boom, and to explain how they could be a deficit when the government was rolling in dough, they blame spending. Of course revenues did NOT double under Reagan. Total revenues… including Reagan’s tax HIKES, were $599.272 billion in FY81 and $909.238 billion in FY88.   
            source: THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2012, HISTORICAL TABLES Table 1.1—SUMMARY OF RECEIPTS, OUTLAYS, AND SURPLUSES OR DEFICITSTable 1.1—SUMMARY OF RECEIPTS, OUTLAYS, AND SURPLUSES OR DEFICITS

          • ulTRAX

            Taxes tend to grow automatically. Tax cuts aren’t designed to cut revenues forever. What they do is reduced revenues for 4-5 years where they’ll then get back to former levels. But they will always be BEHIND what the older tax law brought in. So to say tax revenues “doubled” is a red herring. And they did NOT double under Reagan. Leaving out the Reagan tax hikes that the Right dishonestly counts as “proof” revenues grew because of tax cuts… if we just look at income tax revenues were  $285.917 billion in FY81 and only 401.181 in FY88. Perhaps in the world of Orwellian Math, that’s “doubling” but not in the real world. It would be far LESS if I used constant dollars.  
             
            Source: THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2012, HISTORICAL TABLES Table 2.1—RECEIPTS BY SOURCE

          • ulTRAX

            As I demonstrated with Reagan’s own predictions and the BLS labor stats, Reagan was a FAILURE by his own standards. He was predicting 13 million new jobs by 1986… 3 million more than he said would be created under Carter’s policies. He fell short by about 4.6 million jobs. I’m not going to repost everything here. I wrote an article about it:

            http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/2011/06/proof-reagans-tax-cuts-failed-as.html

      • TFRX

        That should say everything we need to know.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Bricker/100002009313880 Barb Bricker

        He also gave Cain’s 999 plan a thumbs up. Both plans are far better than what we have now.

    • John in Amherst

      WSJ has always had marginal distinctions between their news and editorial depts., never more so now that it is part of the Murdoch media group.

  • John in Amherst

    The Catch 22 of the American presidency:  If you are crazy enough to want that job, you are too crazy to have it. At least Cain is more affable than the rest of the egomaniacal zealots and bufoons he is running against for the nomination.

  • Modavations

    I would give my right “patooty”to see a Cain-Obama debate.Welfare Blacks against laissez faire blacks

    • Gregg

      You may get it perfessor and still keep your patooty.

  • Modavations

    Cains family was poor(what that Capo Rev.Al, would call “authentic” and Obama was raised in a privilaged home.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      I’d hardly call Obama’s origins privileged.

    • TFRX

      If anyone else is still here: You missed the part where a poor black chauffeur had enough money to take some of his paycheck (in 1950s America) in stock.

      Poor people don’t get to own stock now, even when it’s easier as part of an IRA or such.

      • Modavations

        I’m consulting my dictionary of Leftist “gobble de gook”.When I have a translation,I’ll get back.

        • TFRX

          Uh, you heard the show, right? Cain’s dad took at least some of his pay in Coca Cola stock. When Cain (b. 1944 or 1945) was a child. Took this instead of cash.

          In that time, poor people didn’t own stock. They didn’t have investments.

          Until otherwise shown, that tells me that Cain’s family had more resources than the average poor person, with average poor person’s assets, food insecurity, health costs and housing concerns.

  • Modavations

    I can assure you that Mr.Cain would agree, that the modus operandi(?)of the Dem.Party, is to keep poor people poor

    • Ray in VT

      Whereas the MO of the GOP for the past 30 years is to make the middle class poor.

      • Modavations

        We are small businessmen.What we want is for everyone to be rich,so you’ll buy our products.While the rascist left, sees black and white,me and mine see green,as in Moolah.Now please, get out there and get rich.I need more market share!!!

        • Anonymous

          @fa4bc3cbae1b2d01bfa84cf9b03ff954:disqus  Ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of those who have lost the argument and don’t have the grace to acknowledge it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Bricker/100002009313880 Barb Bricker

        How does someone “make” someone poor, unless they are taking money from them? Liberals are the only ones I know who want to take money from those who have it and give it to those who don’t. Socialism never has worked and never will. You eventually run out of other people’s money.
        Conservatives want everyone to have the opportunity to get rich. That doesn’t mean everyone will have the same outcome or the same amount of stuff.
        We need to take care of the poor, and those who are truly are unable to work. That’s it.

        • Guest

          WELCOME BARB!!!! You’re just what the forum needed… another paid right wing tool. 

  • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

    I watch the A PBS documentary film about “7 Trillion and Counting”. I learned a big thing that the Republican Party is the almighty creator of economic problems in America. Not only this Documentary film but other films that I watched and it all lead to the Republicans not even the Democrats can match their screw up. Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 are the culprit.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Yup, if a documentary says it, it must be true.

      • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

        Funny even my friend in the Philippines knows the person who destroyed the American economy. He lives 16,000 miles from America. Sarcastic you might sound but it is True. Who else will ruin the American economy for 8 years or more.

        Just imagine 20 documentary films, 200 Economic expert, even Newt Gingrich knows who is at fault, 300 Senators from Reps and Dems admitted who is at fault.

        I am a Liberal not a Republican or Democrats. I support change, I support OWS. Some pretend to be Liberal but are against the people who wanted change like the OWS.

      • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

        Gregg Camp where do you get your Facts from Marvel comics?

        • Modavations

          That’s nothing more then bullying

      • Modavations

        And let us not forget that it was produced by the, oh so unbiased NPR

        • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

          How about the other film NOT PRODUCED by PBS. Documentary film makers from England.

          What PROOF should I tell the world How the Republicans screw up everything? What Proof should I show to you that your Almighty Party is the one responsible for the 25 million or more Americans that are unemployed.

          The people from other countries with investment in America can tell you the people who screw up their investments.

          It can be Obama who is only in office for 3 years and TRIED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT HE INHERITED from your Republicans. by the way PBS fundings comes from the Federal government. Do you think they will try to bad mouth the people who gave donations to run PBS shows? I don’t think so.

          Why is so hard for Republicans to soften their Stools and make a better potty to admit that they are responsible for all the pain in this world?

          • Modavations

            I don’t conceede that at all.The montsers of the world are Mao,Pol Pot ,Hitler,Stalin and they’re all communist-socialists

          • ulTRAX

            I suspect you’re blind to the possibility that they were all ambitious, even murderous, psychopaths that used ANY ideology that justified them playing God. Nah, it’s much easier to play the ideology game.   

        • Anonymous

          @fa4bc3cbae1b2d01bfa84cf9b03ff954:disqus  If you can show it wrong, PBS will acknowledge its error(s). In other words, put up or ….

          But see the “Chart That Should Accompany Every Discussion of Deficits” before you try:

          http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-chart-that-should-accompany-every-discussion-of-deficits/238786/

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Bricker/100002009313880 Barb Bricker

            Have they ever run An Inconvenient Truth? If so, I’d love to hear their acknowledments to it’s errors.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Bricker/100002009313880 Barb Bricker

        Well, if it was on PBS it must be true {sarc}

    • William

      Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are breaking the bank. These are all Democratic programs.

      • ulTRAX

        What drives up health care costs are the gross inefficiencies of the private sector. You’re blaming the party that has to foot the bill.

    • Modavations

      Ms.Simion just got fired from NPR, for leading one of the demonstrations in D.C..NPR is just another front group for the Dem.Party.CPR costs the tax payers 400million per annum.How many poor guys go to opera,or symphony.For that matter,how many poor guys listen to NPR.

  • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

    Starve The Bear - is the almighty Agenda of the Republicans.

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      One BIG MISTAKE OF President Bush “Medicare Part D” Coverage

      Ladies and Gentlemen of America. Did you know that there is  NO Funds for this pathetic law that Bush passed. It is helping the elderly but the younger Generation will pay for the rest of their lives.

      I don’t know anything I am just a Medicare Reimbursement Specialist,

      • Ray in VT

        Well, that was passes when deficits didn’t matter, as Cheney said.  Unpaid for spending is only bad when there is a Democrat in the Oval Office.

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      Free Tax for the rich while the American economy starves.

  • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

    Now I know why is Cain is ahead Because of his tax plan of 9 9 9.
    Tax to pay for our 2 Wars.  Bush passed Tax Free Bills for 8 years. research one of them and you will be awaken by the taste of the bitter truth.

  • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

    Starve the Beast and the beast will eat us all.

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution by Boston Globe

      • Modavations

        Your affliction is known as Bush Derangement syndrome

        • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

          The Bush derangement syndrome is affecting you, me and American people.

          The some people are blaming a black man again for the crime he did not commit.

          • Modavations

            Democrats see race.I’m interested in money

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          So citing the Boston Globe on Bush’s signing statements now makes a person deranged?

          • Modavations

            cOME ON bARNEY,YOU’VE GOT THE Affliction to the point of Dementia.Calling yourself Orwell,when he’d oppose you at every turn.Dementia

          • Guest

            Are you some sort of lunatic? Are there no standards as to who can post here?

          • AndreaMitch

            proving your own point, fantastic

  • Modavations

    President Obama smokes butts

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      That’s his Civil Liberty.

    • AndreaMitch

      i believe he wrote in his book that he was confused about his sexuality at the time, let’s not make to much of it

  • Modavations

    In Ct., tommorrow is “Diaper need awareness day”.What party do you think is responsible

  • J. Demiray

    Herman Cain is to be congratulated for the success he has had in the corporate world, especially as an African-American. However, he is definitely not ready to be President of the United States.  Why does the media not talk more about his long association with the Koch Brothers and Americans for Prosperity, whose policy points he often parrots and whose organizations in many states give him a ready-made base for quest for the Republican nomination?  His 9-9-9 plan, like all flat tax plans, would weigh heavily on taxing lower-income Americans and would give enormous tax breaks to the highest income earners in our country.  His seemingly simple solutions to our economic and fiscal problems may be appealing, on the surface, but they do not bear close scutiny, and would put our country even more on the path to a less equal society, one with much less opportunity to be, if you will, the next Herman Cain.  The fact that more than 20% of self-identified Republicans polled would pick him as their candidate is a sad commentary both on the dearth of serious, committed political leaders in the GOP and the dearth of common sense among Republican voters.  Their search for “anybody but Obama” may lead us down the path to an America even further in decline.

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      Whatever Tax rate we give to the 1% rich They can still can afford it. They are not the problem - the problem is that we need more Tax to pay off government’s excessive spending. No Tax we starve the beast.

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        There ya go, sweeping that $14.5 trillion dollar debt under the rug. Even if we cut spending and get a balanced annual budget, that debt will remain. To pay it down we need revenue in EXCESS of spending. But we were there in 2001. Though he ran on paying down debt, Bush and the GOP then sabotaged the surplus with SIX ROUNDS of tax cuts. That and his irresponsible spending created about 5 trillion in new debt. The idea the Right can be trusted to be fiscally responsible is more laughable now than it was in 2001. Like you… they all sweep the debt under the carpet.

        • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

          Like me?!!! I am not even a Republican fanatic nor a Democrat. please!!!!

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            I’m only commenting on your sense of economics. I wasn’t thinking of your past statements favoring having strongmen like Marcos in power or your advocating for the Red Chinese economic model.

          • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

            Why hate the Chinese . one of the countries who lend America billions of dollars and ask the American corporation that invested so much in China. I want Marcos in power? LOL. That’s funny. I only said that his government is much peaceful that the current and previous Philippine governments.

            Let tell me you something it will Take A Life Time to know someone. because you read my comments doesn’t mean you know everything about me.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            The only reason China has the money to loan us is because after free trade, THE WEST BUILT UP CHINA’S ECONOMY AND SABOTAGED OUR OWN.

          • Modavations

            What a hoot,one  totalitarian calling out another.Bullies are bullies

          • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

            Hey from the ulTRAX user name you can tell.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            There’s a long history to the name, but it’s classified.

          • Modavations

            It’s an ineffective pain pill.

          • AndreaMitch

            suppository

        • Modavations

          Has anyone ever seen Ultrax in the same room as Barney Frank.I could have said that in 1 sentence.Have you ever heard of Bush Derangement Syndrome?

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            No, but I have heard of a Deranged Moda Syndrome.

          • AndreaMitch

            whatever it is, you got it bad

        • William

          Obama had his chance to cut spending and raise taxes but he refused to do so.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            And the private sector was holding its own when Bush imploded the economy? The private sector was in free fall losing somewhere around 600-700k jobs a month.  

        • Modavations

          Bull.The debt went down when Newt and the boys took over and dropped the cap.gains.To quote Pres.Bill ,prior to the take over,”I envision 200billion dollars deficits, per annum,for as fas as the eye can see”.When the left finishes rewriting the History Books,it will start with the Clinton years.Hitler,Stalin,et al will be considered misunderstood geniuses.Orwell will have become a Progressive

          • ulTRAX

            I discredited this Orwellian rewrite of history a few weeks ago when I went through all those old CBO projections. Surely you read my posts. The 1993 Clinton strategy of cutting spending and increasing taxes worked. The early CBO projections were too pessimistic and this was obvious long before Newt had any effects on the budget which wasn’t until about 1996.

      • GretchenMo

        Waste, fraud and abuse would reduce the debt by 50% alone.  Cut senseless spending and we can get rid of it all.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          It’s so easy to make a unsubstantiated assertion. Where are your hard numbers, your debt paydown schedule, and your strategy to get taxpayers to pay MORE in taxes and get way way less in return. After all, we’ve spent $13.5 TRILLION on ourselves the past 30 years that re REFUSED to tax ourselves for. Yet those on the rabid right insist they’re already overtaxed when it’s been a 30 year long free lunch.

          • GretchenMo

            Taxpayers would welcome less waste, fraud and abuse and would be more willing to pay the taxes they owe, leading to less need for enforcement and litigation.  Even you should be able to see that. 

          • Gregg

            “Even you should be able to see that.”

            You’re far too kind.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Gretch’s kindness isn’t the issue, is it Brainiac? HER EMPTY CLAIMS ARE THE ISSUE.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            OK Gregg… since you obviously agree with Gretch, then YOU explain how “Waste, fraud and abuse would reduce the debt by 50% alone.  Cut senseless spending and we can get rid of it all.”

            Leaving the issue aside that “waste” and “senseless spending” are one in the same… explain using hard numbers and a debt paydown schedule how spending cuts alone can eliminate the debt?

            I await your evasions and doubletalk.  

          • Modavations

            Cut 5% per anum,for five years.How many years have you been in office?

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Please Moda, people are trying to have a real world discussion. If you want to join it… show me your HARD NUMBERS where your cuts are going to be in each of those 5 years.  

          • Modavations

            5 % per annum for five years.Not one penny in taxes.If things get dicey, will spread it over a longer time span.None of this picking and choosing.I want it across the board

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Just as I thought… all mush, no hard numbers.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            So much for real privatization. TRANSLATION: GM feels free to make unsubstantiated assertions “Waste, fraud and abuse would reduce the debt by 50% alone.  Cut senseless spending and we can get rid of it all.”  and feels NO obligation to either demonstrate an hard numbers or debt paydown schedule… or any need to retract this vacuous claim.  Are there any intelligent right wingers out there?

          • Modavations

            Has anyone ever seen Barney Frank and Ultran in the samE ROOM?

        • Anonymous

          @9addc20368766b96d24edd8cd8b22f5b:disqus  Would that it were that simple! Fraud is less than 1% of the deficit. I guess that makes “Waste” and  “Abuse” the other 49%? I am sure everyone has their definitions of those terms, but there is NO WAY that your definitions, if you could define them, would amount to that much.
          There was a sample budget on a website where readers could make their budget cuts to balance the budget and most found they simply could not do it without making cuts they did not want to make or raising taxes.

          • GretchenMo

            I think you need to think more creatively.  Obama has identified tens of billions if not more in Medicare waste, fraud and abuse. 

          • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

            Correct GretchenMo you did your home work well.

            and also Part D Medicare is a big problem. Bush should have talk to the Pharmaceutical companies before he signed the Medicare Part D Act. To lower prescription drugs and to make more affordable quality Generic brands.

            Medicare Part D has no Budget. Privatize it? Senior citizen will be doom.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Medicare D was a giveaway for the pharmaceuticals. The GOP came up with a horrendous bill hoping Dems would vote against it… thus splitting the senior vote.

          • Modavations

            Obama,3 days ago,said the 5 trillion dollar war on poverty,was a failure.No sh-t,Sherlock

          • ulTRAX

            Have a link? No Moda, your claims are not sufficient.

          • Modavations

            Medicare fraud is running 60-90 billion,per annum

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Thanks for FINALLY making an attempt to use real numbers instead of that $125 Billion number you pulled out of your…

          • Modavations

            Dude I was making a point.Only a lefty would condone 90 mill in fraud,but quibble over #’s.Newt said it could be as much as 120mill

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            PROVE I ever condoned ONE CENT of Medicare abuse or fraud… ANY abuse or fraud!

            If you can’t make a point without lies or distortions, YOU HAVEN’T MADE A POINT!!! I know YOU can’t understand that because you can’t differentiate between fact and your fantasies.

          • Modavations

            For days you went on and on about #’s.I saw the head lawyer of Medicare on C-span ,who said they actually cut 50 million in checks to fraudulent entities and that the # may well be 90 million..A rational being would have been horrified by the 90 million in waste and fraud.The fraud didn’t bother you,my 30 mill.discrepency did.Newt was on T.V. last week and also said the loss might be 120mill.Weren’t you the guy that went on and on about the Def.Dept.budget.I was pointing out that the 457 bill in interest payment, was almost as much as the Def.budget.You didn’t care about that,you were offended, that my #’s were off!!They weren’t

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Enough of you evasions M. SHOW ME in my own words where I ever condoned ONE CENT of Medicare abuse or fraud… or ANY abuse or fraud! If you can’t… then retract your false accusation. And while we don’t need it, when you don’t retract we’ll have just more proof you’re not dealing in reality but you’re own fantasies.  Oh, and BOO!!!! Barney Frank is living in your basement.  

          • Modavations

            correct to billions

          • Modavations

            correct to billions

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Bricker/100002009313880 Barb Bricker

            He also threw away over two billion of stimulus tax dollars on two failing now bankrupt solar panel co.
            He is also the most unfriendly to business president we’ve ever had. No one is going to start a business or expand until he is out of office or changes his way big time.
            We’re working on the wrong problem. We don’t need to raise taxes, we need jobs so more people pay taxes.

      • Anonymous

        When Clinton was President we had higher tax rates and low unemployment which resulted in the debt being wiped out.
        Clinton left office with a surplus, who do you flat taxers recon with those facts?

        • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

          I know I was here in America already. I was Job hopping all the time and I always find a JOB but after Clinton left office. That job hopping was over. Welcome Bush!!!

        • William

          Bill Clinton also had a lower spending rate..should we not go back to his spending levels too?

          • Gregg

            Man, I wish someone would finally answer that. 

            As one who is not predisposed to raising taxes on the poor (or rich) in this economy, I’ll go on record to say I would accept Clinton’s tax rates if they were coupled with his spending levels, just as long as the spending levels were reached first.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Gregg, Gregg, Gregg… and how many times in the last six months have I asked YOU why if We The People were $5.9 trillion in debt when Bush started pushing through his tax cuts… proving they were FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE, why isn’t THAT issue not a legitimate topic for any budget discussion? I’m all for some spending cuts. But unlike you I don’t delude myself that spending is the only issue. In real dollars revenues only exceeded Clinton’s last year in 2 of the past TEN years. OF COURSE there’s a revenue problem.

          • Modavations

            I could have said that in one sentence

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Should you ever be capable of complex thoughts, perhaps then you’ll finally appreciate the need for using more than one sentence.

          • Anonymous

            You call those ramblings a sentence.  You are way to polite sir.

          • Gregg

            I only read the first sentence.

          • ulTRAX

            Thanks AGAIN for proving you have NO answer to my question and you’re too intellectually dishonest to admit that.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Red Herring Alert!!! There’s more than one variable in a budget.

            Thanks AGAIN William for ignoring the simple fact that if We The People were $5.9 trillion in debt when Bush started pushing through his tax cuts… then they were FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. So why isn’t THAT also an issue for the Right?  

          • William

            All they had to do was cut spending. Bush was a big liberal spender which should make him the darling of the left. These big spending liberals on both sides don’t work. Massive spending cuts across the board are long overdue.

          • Modavations

            much less

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            It’s alot easier to spend a smaller percentage of the GDP when the private sector is humming, there’s no need to prop up the economy, and there are no wars. I suspect if Clinton were president now, his spending would look a lot like Obama’s.  

          • Modavations

            Mr.Frank.Govt.expenditures usually run at 18%.They are now at 25%

          • ulTRAX

            18 and 25% of WHAT? Moda seems to think we all have some Captain Krunch decoder rings to decode his posts. Is typing GDP too much of an intellectual effort to type?

          • Anonymous

            The thing is he balanced the budget while Bush spent.
            If you look back in history the Republicans have an awful record in this regard.

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          Please… under Clinton the DEFICIT was gone, not the debt. Clinton left office with about 5.7 trillion in debt. The on-budget surplus… the only one that can really pay down debt, only amounted to about $90 billion over 2 years. Bush then sabotaged the possibility of debt paydown with SIX rounds of irresponsible tax cuts.

        • William

          So you are endorsing the Clinton tax rates and spending levels?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Bricker/100002009313880 Barb Bricker

        We need a broader tax base where everyone has skin in the game. That way the 47% who pay nothing won’t be voting for people who promise to raise taxes on the other 53%. I think everytime taxes are raised they should be raised the same percentage for everyone. A flat tax would do that, though I prefer the Fair Tax myself.
        I’ll give Obama credit for one thing. He sure has succeeded in promoting class warfare.

        • Modavations

          Those who pick the pocket of Peter,to pay Paul,can always depend on Paul.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            Gee Moda… isn’t that what the WE are doing? Since 1991 we’ve borrowed $13.5 TRILLION, spent it, yet REFUSED TO TAX OURSELVES FOR WHAT WE SPENT. If unpaid that debt falls on our kids and grandkids.
             
            So when the GOP refuses to raise ANY taxes so we can get our financial house in order… and pretends the only problem is spending, it’s merely a smokescreen for OUR generation to get away picking Peter’s pocket. How goddamn noble of us.  

          • Modavations

            NO NEW TAXES,CUT THE BLOAT

          • ulTRAX

            Still waiting for your HARD NUMBERS of just what you will cut and when… and how you intend to overcome any political obstacles. Still waiting for your deficit/debt paydown schedule. Still waiting for you to explain how you intend to deal with the Tax Cut Psychos on the right who back in 2001 already showed their priorities: if there’s a annual budget surplus, they’ll DEMAND tax cuts and refuse to pay down ANY debt.

            Since you clearly don’t know the difference between a billion and a trillion… your answer should be amusing.  

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          In the mind of an Orwellian Rightist… if ANY Dem finally mentions what is painfully obvious… that the rich have been waging a long running and SUCCESSFUL war against everyone else… then that recognition is the real class warfare.  And pray tell BB.. what’s your operational definition for the term? What are your metrics for measuring it? It seems your only complaint is Obama might want to reverse some tax cuts for the rich THAT WE NEVER COULD AFFORD! Gee, so if bringing the top level to 39% is class warfare… was Reagan involved in class warfare when his first tax bill had a 50% top rate? What is “fair” taxation when We The People have spent 13.5 TRILLION on ourselves the past 30 years we REFUSED TO TAX OURSELVES. Who should pay for what WE stole from our kids and grandkids?  Your reasoning is like those on the right who claim only spending is to blame for the deficit…. while they leave out THEIR contribution in sabotaging revenue when we were nearly SIX TRILLION IN DEBT.

          • Modavations

            For the 57th time,Orwell was a leftist who saw the light.He loathed big government.Every time he heard the word Progressive,he’d vomit.Orwell is my soul mate.

        • NewTrollonTheBlock

          oh please, ‘i live below the poverty line’ – leave those nice koch billionaires alone

          oh barb, you’re such a troll hawking the same ol’ retreaded lines.

          boo hoo to all of my fallacies below:

          waaah – ‘promoting class warfare’

          waaah – ‘broader tax base’ – ‘flat tax’

          waaah – ‘my billionaires aren’t as corrupt as your billionaires’

          waaah – ‘my totalitarians aren’t as bad as your totalitarians’

          waaah – ‘my party’s puppets aren’t as bad as your party’s puppets”

        • TFRX

          Yes, just what they need, a feeling of investment here. Not any of that worrying about where their next rent check or meal or rx or growing child’s winter coat is coming from.

    • William

      Did the Koch brothers bomb buildings in their youth like Obama’s buddy Bill Ayers?

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        No, they were sitting around the pool waiting for their allowance from Daddy Warbucks Koch.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Bricker/100002009313880 Barb Bricker

          Jealous? Nothing illegal about having money. At least not yet. Who knows under this administration and their socialist views of spreading the wealth around. I’m poor, or that’s what I hear, but I don’t think my rich neighbor owes me a dime.
          I live below the poverty line, but gee.. I have a place to live, money for my bills, I have a vehicle that gets me around. More power to those who have more. This is still America last I heard and you’re allowed to be rich.
          I’ve never gotten a job from a poor person.

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            The real threat to America isn’t socialism… and to be fair there’s ALWAYS been some redistribution of wealth in the US going back to James Madison’s attempt in the First Congress to use tax money on shipping tonnage to fund hospitals for disabled seamen. Hamilton even proposed to use tariff money from foreign imports to bolster American industry. Sarah Palin’s welfare state of Alaska got back $1.78 in 2004 for every tax dollar they sent to Washington. I’m sure more recent numbers haven’t changed. Look at a map of the US and most “red” states take money from “blue” states.  
             
            The REAL threat to America is how the rich have hijacked the government to work for them and the hell with everyone else. Right wingers such as yourself are blind to this because you buy into the self-serving right wing smokescreens that the Dems are involved in class warfare if they even MENTION the above.

          • Modavations

            The threat to America is not socialism,but it is your foul totalitarianism

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

            And the proof I’ve EVER expressed any love of totalitarianism is….?

            I won’t hold my breath. I know better than to think you can distinguish fact from your avid fantasy life.

          • Modavations

            That’s one of the most Orwellian statements you’ve ever made

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

             TRANSLATION: In Moda’s mind, such as it is, his inability/refusal to back up his own heinous accusations is just more proof those he accused must be guilty of those false allegations.
            Moda, should any psychopathologist need someone to study, I’ll send them your way.

          • AndreaMitch

            like you and math, never the two shall meet

          • Hidan

            See now Arnold is coming out. Notice the swift in tone.

          • Modavations

            Everytime you run into a dissenting voice ,you name call ,or begin the diatribe with a “snarkism”.In the dark days of Cambodia,without the legal restraints,you’d just cave their heads in with a ball peen hammer.Leftist tolerance and open mindedness,my a–

          • ulTRAX

            TRANSLATION from Moda’s “schizophrenese” to English: Moda has no proof of his allegation and the less proof he has of anything, the more he considers it true.  

          • Anonymous

            Oh boy, totalitarianism, does your mother know you are using words like this?

          • NewTrollonTheBlock

            waaah – boo hoo – waah

          • AndreaMitch

            nah, you’re the same old troll

          • Gregg

            That’s funny, I don’t care who you are. How’s your hubby, AlanGreen?

          • Anonymous

            If you live below the poverty line, are you paying federal income tax?

        • Modavations

          In Mr.Franks world,if you dissent, they crush your skull with the Ball Peen Hammer

        • Hidan

          While daddy was away in Russia helping the commies of course.

        • Gregg

          Your dismissal is astonishing.

          • ulTRAX

            Hardly. You’re playing the guilt by association game… that if Obama knows Ayers, he must support whatever Bill Ayers did 40 years ago. If Obama supported such actions, where’s the evidence he ever engaged in such activities as an adult? The GOP played this card in 08 and it didn’t fly… except with True Believers on the extreme right.  The Kochs, however, are guilty of using their wealth to subvert democracy to benefit themselves. Your ability to, again, be oblivious to the obvious is what’s astonishing.

        • William

          Oh yes…sitting by the pool is on par with trying to kill people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Bricker/100002009313880 Barb Bricker

      I see nothing wrong with Americans for Prosperity. Care to elaborate? As far as the Koch Bro, they are American businessmen who have been very successful and charitable. I’ll take them over orgs like Think Progress, and hedge funder billionaire George Soros any day. Why wasn’t Obama’s ties to them, Tony Rezco, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Francis Fox Piven, Frank Marshal Davis and other radicals scrutinized? I bet you can’t find one association of Obama’s in his past who can’t be traced to socialism, communism, marxism, black liberation theology, or corrupt chicago politics.
      You have the nerve to point out the Koch Bros and AFP as something that should be looked at? LOL

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        And are you claiming that even if Obama were not president, the Koch brothers would NOT be engaged in their political campaigns?

        • Modavations

          In the world of Mr Frank,if your thoughts are not to his liking, they must be eliminated.Now that’s what we call Orwellian

          • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

             
            Gee Moda, not only are you using better numbers for Medicare fraud and abuse… you’re FINALLY using the term Orwellian properly… proving that despite not being very bright, you might be trainable.

          • Hidan

            More the case is starting to confuse his screen names and behaviors/personalities of each.

      • NewTrollonTheBlock

        waaah – boo hoo – waaah

      • david

        Barb, you must remember you are on a liberal site.
        The truth hurts some of these people.
        They will only accept their point of view.
        The Koch Bros. are evil but George Soros is a god, as he out of his own mouth has stated in the past.
        Soros also donates to NPR.

        • Hidan

          Don’t forget Murdoch also donates to NPR. at-least 500k and 1 Million+ a year is what there 2008 donation had

        • Gregg

          Soros essentially fired Juan Williams.

        • Anonymous

          So what do you call all the stuff you post and your sour puss responses?

        • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

          There seems to be a fundamental difference between politically active billionaires on the right and “left”. The Kochs are out to manipulate society hoping to dismantle a government that stands in their way of raking more profits. It’s difficult to imagine either Koch realizing they owe a debt to a nation that allowed them to prosper so. Soros is funding liberal causes, and Buffet is advocating higher taxes on the rich. While I might not trust either of them, NEITHER seems to be working to further their own interests like the Kochs.

          • AllTheSame

            Left or Right, they are all into centralized control and the NWO – albeit through different methods.

            You shouldn’t trust any of them or the candidates and institutions they support.

          • david

            Spend some time researching what Soros is manipulating and you might learn something new. Buffet is sounding off because he has something to gain, time will tell. The problem with you liberals is that you think you are always right, even when you are wrong!

          • ulTRAX

            I suspect ALL people tend to believe in their own infallibility. The question is whether they put ego of facts first. If it’s ego, then they’ll tend towards self-verifying, self-justifying belief systems. If it’s the latter they’ll tend towards self-correction. I’ve debated both left and right wing loonies. There’s not much difference. But generally the Right is more dishonest because it’s main goal is a minority one: to protect wealth and power… something it can never admit to. So it uses smoke and mirrors, and irrational appeals to dupe single issue people to join their coalition.

      • Anonymous

        Well you are entitled to your opinion. I loath the Americans for Prosperity. That’s my opinion. It’s interesting how the right wing uses language in a way that makes you think that they are being fair.
        But as soon as you criticize them they get all hot under the collar and call you names, such as liberal or fascist or socialist, or all them at once. Being succsesful does not mean you have the right to set the agenda for the entire nation. Being successful does not give you the right to mold laws to favor your business interests. Which is what the highly secretive Koch brothers are trying to do.

        It’s getting old, all this absurd use of language that really sounds like Fox talking points. There is no substance or real critical thinking going on here. No real arguments other using words such as socialism, communism, marxism, black liberation theology.

        Make an argument for your social Darwinian outlook which I find reprehensible and backwards. As well as dangerous as history has proven over and over again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JBZGEKODLMMN4FON37X5OMTL4E Paul Johnson

    And you needed to have a powder-puff, fawning show about Herman Cain why?

  • loc

    Why is this person being given the time of day by the MSM or anyone else (for that matter)?

    • Hidan

      Koch’s Industries are a wbur underwriter. And by the looks at all the ads…they may have increased the amounts.

  • DaytimeTrollReport

    As of of 4:30 pm EST, here is today’s Troll Comment Participation (TCP):

    1st Hour’s show:  Herman Cain  23% TCP

    2nd Hour’s show:  Lawless Elite  8% TCP

    • Modavations

      After consulting my dictionary of leftist “gobble de gook”we remain perplexed

  • Modavations

    Ms Simion was fired from NPR for leading one of the demonstartions in D.C.NPR is just another front group for the Dems,like NOW,like the NEA,like SEIU,like Acorn.Cpr gets tax payer subsidies, to the tune of 400mill.How many poor guys go the symphony,or the opera.How many poor guys  listen to NPR.

    • Anonymous

      So?

  • Modavations

    While Ms Sebilius says she has all your medical records down at the hive,inluding medications,and date of birth.She doesn’t have your social security #..She promises the info will never be leaked.Now this Ultrax, is what we call Orwellian

    • ulTRAX

      Right now it’s the PRIVATE SECTOR that poses the biggest threat to our privacy. Health insurance companies are looking to deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions and employers and landlords might want to discriminate. Without strong privacy laws there will be no end of snooping into our private lives to find some way to not cover us or not hire us. And there will be no end to the kind of snooping. Data mining and tying all the info together for sale is big business.   

      Health privacy would be a LOT less of an issue if we had Single Payer Health Care where no one was turned down for pre-existing conditions, and there were strong anti-discrimination laws that prevented employers from hiring those with disabilities or other health conditions.
       

  • NotSoMuch

    NPR is so ‘liberal’ they did this show on a GOP circus clown

    NPR is so ‘liberal’ they did show on another GOP circus clown on 10/10.

    (Why can’t you troll realize your own party is selling you out and this cavalcade of circus clowns is going to lead to another Obama victory?)

    NPR is so ‘liberal’ their ombudsman had to nudge them to cover the OWS movement better because of ‘inadequate’ and ‘unfair’ criticisms.

    NPR is so ‘liberal’ they don’t even have a spokesperson from Big Pharma on the show to answer to ‘drug shortage’ complaints and problems.

  • Modavations

    Most working stiffs are subject to drug testing.In Florida ,they passed a law demanding WElfare recipients be tested,prior to receiving assistance.The ACLU interceeded.As Taxpayers pay for this Welfare ,this would be termed Orwellian.Capiche Sn Ultrax

    • Anonymous

      So?

    • Zero

      Working “stiffs” are subjected to drug testing only if there is warranted suspicion.  This is protected by the 4th Amendment!  Gov. Scott clearly did not read the constitution; and if anybody is Orwellian it is Scott who wants to bypass the constitution and the legislative process. 

      By the way, Scott drug testing program sends tax payer money to his “former company” Solantic to administer the tests.  So far, I think, two people out of thousands have tested positive.  Which means that tax payer money is being wasted and funneled to Solantic.  Is that fiscally responsible?   

      • Modavations

        So far,1500 have refused the test

        • Zero

          Over 7,000 passed the test thus far.

  • Modavations

    Upon hearing of Ghadafi’s demise,the ACLU asked if he’d been “marandized”.They claim they could have got him off.Mr. Ultran, when you understand that this is Orwellian,we’ll move you up the Jr.High.

    • Anonymous

      So?

      • http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/ ulTRAX

        A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

        • AndreaMitch

          experience talking no doubt

          • ulTRAX

            Yes, as a matter of fact. In a former lifetime I ran MH programs. But I also know the bigger problem in the MH field is not the people I dealt with but those normal folks who sabotage their own intellects to the point that they are virtually indistinguishable with some MH conditions. What category Moda falls into is anyone’s guess.
             

  • Pae

    mmmm….interesting, not one person has mentioned the “third rail” of the budget where a whopping 59% is delegated to the Military.  Next year the proposed Military budget will be 60%.  Only 1% is devoted to Energy (no wonder we are so behind in developing alternative energy sources). Yet, Congress quibbles about small stuff like reducing monies toward Public Radio and TV.  Perhaps if “Public” radio/TV became privatized, we wouldn’t need to think as much and have so many tiresome questions and discussions. 

    Thank you NPE.  Herman Cain ? Ahhh! A smart, intelligent, educated, confident man with keen instincts.  He has single handedly revitalized the Horatio Alger Myth and simultaneously, with a light insightful touch of sly cleverness, found it useful to access the “uncle tom” myth to his advantage by enrolling as a Republican which has given him a National voice and access to the Corporate Elite. What a great strategy. More power to him, he deserves it.  He’s a true political man in every sense as well as a modern day successful business man who would never have made it on the National Stage as a Democrat.  He has what it takes to speak to the mind of all kinds of voters, Republican, some Democrats and Independent voters. I think he encourages the notion that we all really do have control of our individual lives. The powerful Republicans may well have a winner, that is if they are smart enough to recognize it.  The rest of the pack is old, dreary stuff…..same old, same old.  Herman Cain is a refreshing change.    

  • Modavations

    I may have to apologize to all.I REad my own posts ,and dont know whos even posting. Yes ,I’m a proud libertarian but I bring disgrace to my cause when I cant make a coherent argument.I will get my demons under control ,and I will be back.

    • ulTRAX

      Wow Moda, I never thought I’d have any sympathy for you. Good luck!

      • Modavations

        Barney Frank,do you really think that’s me.You probably posted that.

        • ulTRAX

          Oh well, I see the demons are back at the helm. For a moment I was hopeful you might have some insight into your own pathology.

  • TodaysNumbers

    Hmm… today’s totals are telling.

    As of 11:59 p.m. EST, here are today’s Troll Comment Participation (TCP):

    1st Hour’s show:   ‘Herman Cain’ story:   30% TCP

    2nd Hour’s show:  ‘Lawless Elite’ story:   0.8% TCP

    Trolls contributing to one story, but not another…

    … maybe, they don’t have a leg to stand on.

    • Zero

      Get a life.

    • one of the 99 percent

      who is they? Your post is ambiguous.  My impression is that the Herman Cain (this stuff can’t be made up, can it?–the first murderer!) story is bunk and riddled with mercenary trolls and just plain special special folk hard wired into the boob tube and viral propaganda nonsense.  Herman Cain is their Orwellian answer to–’you are racist’  they want to show that they are not.  he is a a vaccine, a deadly one. 

      @construction biz impersonator–let’s get this straight!  You don’t like the environment, you don’t like clean water, clean air, healthy children.  Well, that’s mighty strange.  You want to pollute.  You hate th planet.  You hate people.  You hate our rivers and our topsoil.  You must hate America.  You care only about your bottom line.  Profit can be made in a respectable, humane, and ethical way.  Why do you want to be above the law?  Why do you see yourself as better than everyone else, or more important?  how can you separate yourself from the earth you destroy–by polluting?  The EPA is meant to regulate polluters, minimize your filthy foul contamination of all life.  They don’t do nearly enough!  So you clearly have no idea what you are talking about! if you are against it–you are against humanity, and the earth–our only home–and if you are a god-bot, you are violating god’s creation–how ghastly, how sinful. Do you hate god, or just all life?

  • CRose

    Thank you for this fascinating examination of Herman Caine.

  • Larz

    I have yet to listen to the podcast, but I see on the top here it says: “The biggest line on Cain’s resume is his time as the CEO of Godfather’s Pizza”

     I see no where where it mentions he was on the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank in Kansas City for many years. He is an inside banker posing as something else, lets get the story straight ..

  • Modavations

    Rep.Frank,Muslims at Catholic University were offended that there were crosses on campus.This is the real Moda and this is what we’d refer to as ORWELLIAN

  • revolve

    Cain–first murderer.  osama looks like Obama.  Hussein public enemy number one–osama Hussein.  Abramoff–was that his name–like something out of the goon squad comic book villain in black.

    This stuff isn’t real–even our “leader” are manufactured.  Stage names.  it all a show–keep us terrortained–we the dead peasants.  its ghastly and perverted.  Everyday is Halloween.  Shouldn’t we do something about it?  Revolve.

  • Gregg

    Cain is not my first choice (Newt is) but it would be really cool to elect the first real black President.

  • Alan

    With
    the two major political parties gearing up their noise-and-nonsense machinery
    to promote their quadrennial uproar to elect our next president, it seems an
    apt time for mature, thoughtful citizens to consider the obvious.

    The
    character of a politician’s campaign shines a bright light on the true
    character of the politician.  Given that,
    we can only conclude from their partisan school-yard spats presented as public
    discourse that candidates from the major parties are self-centered juveniles
    incapable of mastering their emotions, speaking with dignity, and thinking like
    adults.

    Apparently,
    however, this is not the first display of its kind.  Consider this passage early in The Book of Isaiah:

    “And
    I will give children to be their princes. 
    And babes shall rule over them. 
    And the people shall be oppressed; every one by another and every one by
    his neighbor.  The child shall behave
    himself proudly before the old man, and the base before the honorable.”

    The
    problem, of course, is that our nation cannot afford, financially or any other
    way, to have overgrown brats running our government.  The solution must rest with all of us
    adults.  If we can find mature,
    pragmatic, independent citizens to serve in our government, we can address the
    challenges facing us.  Otherwise, we will
    be doomed to a future governed by badly behaved adolescents.

  • rosic

    How Can Republicans a.e. Tea Party Folks Vote For a Black Man Who
    Wants to Electrocute So-Called “Illegal Immigrants” on a Hate Wall
    Built by Anglo-America?
    Looks to me like Cain-if that’s his real surname-forgot he is Black.
    He forgot that GOLDWATER wanted to send his family members back to Africa.
    So who needs Another Black President With Blood Thirsty Policy aimed at Killing people from Mexico’s whose only real crime is trespassing!

  • Shoirca

    Not a peep about Herman Cain’s Enron-esque disaster.

    According to five lawsuits filed in federal court in 2004, Aquila’s
    board of directors—which Cain joined in 1992—allegedly steered employees
    into heavily investing their retirement savings in company stock. At
    the same time, the company shifted its business model from
    straightforward energy generation to risky energy trading, an
    unregulated market made infamous by now-defunct Enron. The suits, later
    folded into a single, massive class action (PDF), alleged that Cain and top company officials violated a 37-year-old federal law requiring that employers manage employees retirement programs responsibly. 

    Aquila’s decision to join Enron, Reliant Energy, and the other heavy-hitters
    in the energy trading markets would ultimately wipe out 94 percent of
    Aquila’s stock value between 1999 and 2004. The company also faced
    criticism for using some of the same trading tricks
    that Enron did as a way to puff up its stock price, the lawsuit says.
    That included using “roundtrip” trades, a scheme in which Aquila would
    sell a trading partner some energy and then that partner would sell the
    same amount back to Aquila, a deal that canceled itself out. In the end,
    nothing actually changed hands. But it boosted Aquila’s trading volume
    and revenue, sending a positive signal to the markets. The company also
    engaged in megawatt laundering, or “ricochet” trading, the lawsuit
    alleges. In such transactions, Aquila and other companies would buy
    energy from California at a lower capped price, move that energy out of
    the state, then re-sell it back to California at a higher price for a
    tidy profit.

    But this financial trickery couldn’t save a listing ship. In 2002,
    Aquila teetered on the brink of collapse. And for Aquila’s employees,
    the result of the company’s foray into energy trading was devastating:
    The company’s employee retirement fund, overseen by the board of
    directors, lost more than $200 million in 2002. The reason: At the same
    time Aquila’s executives and directors were investing more and more in
    highly risky energy speculation, they were selling their employees on
    the conservative nature of Aquila and pushing them to invest their
    retirement savings in company stock.

    http://motherjones.com/po…cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OK46YND5XA5BV4QYJPLC5JK5OE Hacim Obmed

    Go Herman. No one believes their liberal lies.

  • Wagnertreeexperts

    I’m appalled you did not even give a response to the Ron Paul question. No one trusts the polls. Give him a chance!!!

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