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Week In The News: Wall Street Protests, Steve Jobs Dies, Christie Out

Christie and Palin opt out of the GOP race.Wall Street protests dial up. Steve Jobs is dead.Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

Occupy Wall Street protesters join a labor union rally in Foley Square before marching on Zuccotti Park in New York's Financial District, Wednesday, Oct. 5, 2011. (AP)

Occupy Wall Street protesters join a labor union rally in Foley Square before marching on Zuccotti Park in New York's Financial District, Wednesday, Oct. 5, 2011. (AP)

Republicans out and protestors up this week. Chris Christie and Sarah Palin put an end to speculation – and some begging – that they enter the GOP scrum for the presidential nomination.

What you see is what you get on the GOP stage. On streets in many cities and towns now, Occupy Wall Street protestors take up the cry “We Are the 99 Percent!” Union members out now, too. The president says they’re giving voice to national frustration. Steve Jobs is dead. Three women win the Nobel Peace Prize.

This hour, On Point: Our weekly news roundtable goes behind the headlines.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Mimi Swartz, executive editor of Texas Monthly

Matt Continetti, opinion editor and columnist for The Weekly Standard.

Jack BeattyOn Point news analyst.

From Tom’s Reading List

The New York Times “On a whirlwind trip through New York City this week that marked the beginning of a nearly monthlong book tour, Herman Cain chatted with the hosts of ABC’s “The View,” promoted his new memoir on Fox News, met local titans like Donald Trump, shared ideas with former Mayor Edward I. Koch and enjoyed power lunching in Midtown.”

The Washington Post “In Texas on Tuesday, the president went after a leading Republican by name: “Yesterday the Republican majority leader in Congress, Eric Cantor, said that right now he won’t even let this jobs bill have a vote in the House of Representatives,” Obama said. “I would like Mr. Cantor to come here to Dallas and explain what exactly in this jobs bill does he not believe in, what exactly he is opposed to. Does he not believe in rebuilding America’s roads and bridges? Does he not believe in tax breaks for small businesses or efforts to help our veterans?””

The Wall Street Journal “Punish bank earnings, so banks raise fees. Then denounce banks for raising fees. White House financial czar Elizabeth Warren is off and running for Senate in Massachusetts, and her theme is that “the people on Wall Street broke this country.” Meanwhile, Senator Dick Durbin this week urged customers to stage a run on Bank of America because it recently raised debit-card fees by $5 a month, President Obama piled on by telling regulators to punish BofA, and even Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has joined the fun by vowing that America will “prevail” over the banks.”

The New York Times “Typically, we close ranks when faced with criticism from outsiders. Being from Texas today is not unlike being a member of an ethnic minority. We can argue among ourselves, but criticism from the outside provokes a storm of defensiveness. Even liberal Texans took umbrage, for instance, when Al Gore portrayed the state as a polluted hellhole. “

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  • Roy Mac

    Don’t any of these people understand how armed revolutions get started?  Turn any peaceful society into an unwanted aristocracy–beware the consequences.

    • Cory

      We can only hope.

      • Zing

        One thing for sure; you two won’t be anywhere near the real fighting.

        • JustSayin

          You.re right. My job doesn’t pay well enough for me to join the fight to buy some $40K backpacks.

          • JustSayin

            What the heck in EN.Maintenance!  A typo adds a link to a mysterious web page? 

          • Jasoturner

            Kinda cool.  I think it links to the secret Illuminati site we aren’t supposed to know about…

        • Cory

          I’m not sure what you mean.

          • Zing

            Of course you are…and you know I speak the truth.

        • Roy Mac

          Wouldn’t miss it, to take you out.

    • JustSayin

      There is a crisis brewing in the streets of New York. This story has serious implications for the nation: The Olsen twins can’t keep up with the demand for their $39,000 alligator backpacks: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/10/06/the-olsen-twins-39000-alligator-skin-backpack-is-flying-off-shelves/

    • BHA in Vermont

      Yep, I keep coming back to the metaphor of storming the Bastille.

      When the rich screw the little people enough, they finally turn. Bring out the guillotine. 

      • PI Resident

        Remember what FDR did to the Bonus Marchers? 

        Note Gen Douglas MacArthur ably led the US Troops.  And wasn’t FDR a D, like Obama!

  • Cory

    I’d like to praise those engaged in the Wall Street protests.  Express your discontent, it is a wonderful starting point.

    • JustSayin

      I saw a report on someone taking a petition to BOA to stop the $5/mth debit card fee… That’s doesn’t help their cause or focus. If people don’t like BOA, then they should do business with another bank… Small community banks have all of the same services, and they would support their community and not global investment banking.

      If they don’t like McDonald’s “special sauce”, then go to Burger King, or, even better stop supporting billionaires go to a local restaurant.

      • Zing

        That’s just what BoA wants; to shed the nickle and dimers.  They’re the most trouble. 

        • JustSayin

          Well this nickle and dimer moved out. So they won’t miss my $73K at all but hey every nickle counts.

          • Zing

            So you say…

  • Cory

    Gee, I guess Sarah Palin chose to be a rich do-nothing celebrity over the responsibility and accountability of public office.  Maybe thats why she abandoned the voters who elected her governor of Alaska.  Those who support her are fools.

    Palin is the American dream.  Use fluff and sex appeal to stumble into celebrity and then milk it for all it is worth.  At least she’ll have more time for shopping.  Y’all be sure to buy her next book now! 

    • Carl Richie

      I absolutely could not have said it better myself. Thank you for your succinct and on-the-money appraisal.

    • Jasoturner

      Sarah Palin is irrelevant to anything significant going on in the world.

      • Gregg

        Like her or not, she’s a player. She is hardly irrelevant.

        • Anonymous

          She is now.

          • Gregg

            We’ll see.

        • Cory

          Sometimes you make a lot of sense.  This isn’t one of those times.  Tell me why she is important.  Those over whom she has influence already vote as far right as possible.  She is the political equivalent of Paris Hilton.

          • Cory

            Damn!!  Sorry, I’ve mistaken you once again for conservative but rational Greg.  You never make sense.

          • Brett

            Cory, buy yourself a lager of your choice! 

          • Cory

            Hizzah!!!  :)  I’ve never won my own award!  Brett, you’ve made my day!

          • Gregg

            Okay then, I’ll withhold my thoughtful reply. Let me know if you have any other questions.

        • Cory

          She is a player in that she has “played” her supporters.

        • Jasoturner

          She may be a celebrity, but she brings nothing substantive to the party.

      • TFRX

        No, she’s a great example of the fluffing one can get by “Fair and Balanceds”, and how the rest of the “liberal media” can’t stop follwing them, akin to imprinted ducklings.

        • AC

          gee whiz. i’m not particulary fond of her, & at times i’ve wanted to die of embarrasement FOR her – but – the fact that you’re talking about her this long kinda means she must have SOMETHING going on…..

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            She reminds me of every cheerleader I’ve taught–ignorant, clueless, but dead certain about what she thinks she believes.

          • AC

            gasp! take that back !! I was a cheerleader!!!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            In one of Mr. Camp’s classes?  I have met some intelligent cheerleaders.  I cannot speak for those that he taught.

          • BHA in Vermont

            People looking for someone to follow that believes what they believe. Unfortunately for them, Palin is more Paris Hilton than a leader.

    • Gregg

      The hate drips from your comment. I don’t know how you can’t like Palin.

      • Cory

        It felt really objective and dispassionate when I wrote it.  What that I have written do you dispute?

        • Gregg

          I dispute your entire opinion. It seems to me you are too emotional to be objective. Maybe not.

      • Margbi

        It’s easy, Gregg. When you’re not inspired by fluff, vindictiveness and general lack of knowledge about the world.

      • Fredlinskip

           Unlike Cory’s comment, hate is what is engendered when you have a web site that features pictures of democratic candidates pictured in the crosshairs of the scope of a rifle.

    • Anonymous

      She picked the wrong day to say she wasn’t running as all of the media covered Steve Jobs. 

      • Anonymous

        It really wouldn’t matter when she announced it – no one of any import really cares. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knows she is only in it for the $ and campaigns cost lots of $. She can continue to pretend she is interested in running if only to extract more $ from the sheep that follow her.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Who?  ;)

  • ripped-off tax payer

    I sure hope that the economic meltdown and the nationwide mass protests against the banks that funded Obama’s 2008 campaign won’t interfere with President Obama’s ability to go golfing on the weekends.

    • Anonymous

      And your point is what? That Presidents play golf.

      • Jasoturner

        There is no point.  This is a right wing parrot snark which I have heard, in various permutations, dozens of times. 

        Yet I imagine the silence was deafening when President Bush filmed himself looking for WMDs under his couch, and spent trillions after screwing up the intelligence assessments and invading Iraq.  Though perhaps I will be informed otherwise.

        • Gregg

          There is no point, you are correct. However Obama has played more golf so far than Bush did in two terms. It does not bode well with his
          “I will not rest” claims. It’s a fair criticism.

          • Winston Smith

            Maybe if Bush had played more golf, we wouldn’t have all of the problems that we now have!

          • Steve

            Or hunted more with Cheney.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            YES!!!!

          • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

            Brilliant. Well said.

          • Anonymous

            Again, what a load of BS.

          • Gregg

            Nice empty proclamation.

          • nj

            Unlike your fact-filled, documented blathering.

            Pot meet kettle.

          • mary elizabeth

            Your petty concerns and petty attitudes are part of the problem in this country.  Golf has nothing to do with the grievous state of this nation even if the President played every day. 
            Grow up.

          • Gregg

            I said it was a useless point, I was just responding. It’s a fair criticism but my problems with Obama go much deeper.

          • TFRX

            Nice job of concern-troll needle-threading, right up until the point that people notice it.

            When Obama was last on vacation (while Congress wasn’t even in session):

            “So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.
             
            Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off—28 days.”
             
            (per CBS Radio’s Mark Knoller) 

      • Cory

        Ike played alot of golf.  W liked to clear brush at the ranch.  FDR liked to soak in hot springs.  Ronald Reagan rode horsies at the ranch.  Teddy Roosevelt liked to go on safari!

        • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

          Clinton liked to… uh… play with cigars.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Shows that tobacco can be hazardous to your political health!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Don’t remember ‘W’ skiing, fishing, pretending to cut wood with a fake chain saw, being read elementary stories while the country was under attack?  You a total couch-potato? 
         A LOT of executives play golf during the week, on the company clock!

  • Ed

    Three notes from the past week:

    Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez’ movie ‘The Way’ about a walk along the Camino de Santiago in Northern Spain, a pilgrimage, opens today in many places.

    Planned Parenthood is going to be investigated by Congress. If you watch the program ‘Blood money’ (last Sunday, EWTN) or other programs it will be clear why this is very necessary.

    Bishop Zubik of in Pittsburgh was accused of pedaphilia – his accuser has a rap sheet as long as your arm, and it was a false accusation. The Bishop probably won’t press charges against the man.

    • Anonymous

      By Congress do you mean the ultra right wing House?  I’m sure it will be a fair hearing.

    • Brett

      “Bishop Zubik of in Pittsburgh was accused of pedophilia – his accuser has a rap sheet as long as your arm, and it was a false accusation. The Bishop probably won’t press charges against the man.”
      To martyr oneself is divine! 

    • Terry Tree Tree

      WOW!  One maybe innocent bishop, with thousands of guilty pedophiles in the Catholic church!  I’m impressed!

  • Gregg

    The vacuousness of these wall street protesters is breathtaking. Meanwhile, no one seems all that concerned with “fast and furious”. Amazing. 

    • AC

      i think their point is discontent. & I think their method of execution is actually quite brilliant. This way, everyone’s wondering and talking about snippets, thinking about it for themselves & maybe seeing doubts and similarties. If they give you something specific, it can be targeted and twisted and it won’t be the first time people depending on others for information buy snake oil…..

      • Gregg

        It could be “brilliant” but IMHO they don’t have a clue. “Discontent” really doesn’t mean much. I just hate to see people complain, they don’t realize they have it made in the shade… with a glass of lemonade. We all do. My advise: Shut up, be thankful and live life to the fullest. Look into the mirror for solutions.

        • AC

          what’s IMHO mean?

          • Anonymous

            In my honest opinion

          • Gregg

            In my humble opinion. But opinions are like belly buttons, everybody has one.

          • AC

            ah.
            IMHO, thats part of the problem w/humans…(not the belly buttons)

          • Anonymous

            Humble??? snort

        • MordecaiCarroll

          If by “made in the shade”, you mean that Americans are lucky to have a better standard of living than many  people in other parts of the world, than yes, Americans have it made in the shade comparatively speaking. 

          But within the context of American society, some people have it much more “made in the shade” than others.  When the banks made crazy reckless bets on the housing market, their losses were socialized when the market tanked.  A couple of years later, they were making more money than ever before, and were raking in huge paychecks and bonuses.  People whose mortgages are now under water and who can’t afford their house payments were not so lucky.  They were left to fend for themselves with very little help, and are still struggling 3 years after the initial crash. 

          Although I can’t speak for the protesters, it seems to me that one of the primary concerns of the movement is the excessive influence that Big
          Business and moneyed interests have over our government in Washington D.C.
          These people feel (justifiably, in my opinion) that their concerns are not
          being heard in Washington, and that the system is broken because of money’s
          corrupting influence over government. These people are smart enough to realize
          that both parties (Republicans more so, but Democrats are very much to blame as
          well) are given their marching orders by corporate lobbyists and wealthy
          campaign contributors. As Dick Durbin put it, the banks “frankly…own the
          place.” While some in Washington give lip service to the idea of helping
          out the middle and lower classes, very few in D.C. (with the exception of
          people like Bernie Sanders) actually put their money where their mouth is and
          fight for ordinary Americans’ rights.

          So what are people to do when representatives from both parties are in
          thrall to moneyed interests and won’t represent the actual people they’ve been
          elected to serve? What do they do when elected officials in Washington don’t
          hear them, don’t represent them, and show no sign of becoming reasonably
          functional or competent at legislating in a way that serves the people? They
          take to the streets. What else can they do? Their government has failed them,
          and seems intent on ignoring them so that they can remain in the good graces of
          their wealthy benefactors.

        • Anonymous

          Is that the same advice you would give the “tea party” participants?  From what I have read in your other comments, I have no doubt whatsoever that you would not.  But maybe I’m wrong.  Here’s your chance to set me straight.

        • http://mergelefttoday.blogspot.com Joshua Hendrickson

          good advice for a slave

    • TFRX

      “Vacuous”? Did you sleep through the Tea Party “town halls” and demos? Anyone still demanding to Get Government out of my Medicare?

      BTW, if you’re watching Fox News, you wouldn’t have seen a Fox News guy interview someone who had a fine conversation. Apparently when a Foxholer tries to sandbag someone who’s too coherent, it doesn’t get on the air. Orwell would be proud.

      http://www.observer.com/2011/10/jesse-lagreca-the-smartest-man-on-wall-street/

  • Tomvdigangi

    Just wondering if anyone is going to acknowledge the passing of Reverend Shuttlesworth this week, a major civil rights leader, whose death was overshadowed by Jobs’ passing . . . .

  • Guest

    At Occupy Wall St.  Some students protest having student loans.  I don’t understand why that is Wall Street’s fault.  They signed up for the loan, they agreed to it’s terms, they knew what they were getting into.  If tuition is too high, then that’s an issue with school and education in America, it’s not an issue with your banker, and definitely not the banker’s fault!

    • Gregg

      They have no clue what they’re protesting. “Wall Street”, “Corporations” and “Fair Share” are all meaningless catch terms. They just know they hate the rich and someone needs to bail them out. It’s right out of Alinsky’s rules.

      • Anonymous

        Are you one of the rich?

        • Gregg

          Probably not. By whose definition?

          • Anonymous

            Oh but you support the idea of 1% having a lion share of the wealth.
            Is that it?

          • Gregg

            This is America. There is opportunity for all.

          • Anonymous

            No, that is the problem there isn’t opportunity for all.By making it financially impossible for young people to go to college only hoards the better jobs for those already at the top. Seems to me they didn’t care for us “peons” competiting and winning “their” jobs and have been working to recitify that situation. You cannot climb a ladder that is no longer there. 

          • AC

            hmmm. good, but too simplistic. One only has to look at Steve Jobs – he dropped out after (i think) 1 semester? It’s really hard to keep honest to goodness visionaries down…..it’s just that they are few and far between…

          • Steve T

            Exactly “Few” If you could point out a whole class of dropouts that made it big then it would be simplistic but that’s not reality. Few are tolerated (with great ideas) but “many” are not.

          • Steve T

            Exactly “Few” If you could point out a whole class of dropouts that made
            it big then it would be simplistic but that’s not reality. Few are
            tolerated (with great ideas) but “many” are not.

          • AC

            i don’t think so; technology has replaced the need for so many ‘all’.

          • Gregg

            It has also given us the ability to achieve more.

          • AC

            that doesn’t change the fact that there are too many people that have no function. it’s a transistion period, i think it’ll be clearer in a few decades….i wonder what it will be like then…

          • Gregg

            This is a position you have taken before. I see your point but don’t necessarily agree. I think we’ll be fine after Obama is out of office. But that’s just me.

          • Anonymous

            We won’t be fine with whomever is next in line for President – the “man behind the curtain” is the fact that we do not and will never have jobs for the vast majority of people who are out of work at this point in time. Manufacturing has fled to other countries and innovation has decreased the need for manual labor in what is left. You can’t put all those unemployed to work at Walmart, McD’s and service sector. We have screwed our country by allowing jobs, innovation, and knowledge to leave.

          • AC

            wait, (i’m getting alarmed by how many people think this) – the US is still #1 in manufacturing, we just need less people due to our technology for the same output -
            the rest is accurate….not just for innovation either. If i see one more movie ‘re-make’!!! What happened to investing in some new, young talent? Surely they’re are writers and filmakers with something new up their sleeve? I’m getting sick of the stagnancy (i think i’m making that word up)

          • Anonymous

            The US is still #1 but not for much longer – China is rapidly increasing while we are in free-fall. It is only a matter of time. 

          • AC

            they are certainly trying, but they’re already having internal social issues of their own that will come around to bite them. Also, have you been to Bejing lately? Very cosmopolitan and new, but jesus, the air quality & pollution!!
            Also, any more mess up’s with baby/dog food, apple juice, milk or toys, and they’re going to need massive pr campaigns to get through it…..

          • Steve T

            You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. The Mexican labor force is headed back over the border for better pickins, US crops are dying in the fields. Just wait its gonna get worse long before it gets better. Stop worrying about Hollywood and worry if theirs going to be food in the stores.

          • AC

            hmmm. you don’t know me very well, do you? that’s ok – i’m not that important, but please don’t presume anything, or better, if you could pls look at other posts of mine, you’ll see your error in judgement. Also, i’m sorry your idea of art goes strictly to hollywood – it’s a valid issue i’ve raised, tho i won’t get into it here, i’m not quite as worried as your comment hopes…

          • Megaxtars

            Correct!!! That’s just you

          • Anonymous

            The war with the robots should take care of the surplus population.

          • AC

            heehee! i don’t know, i love my iphone, i’d be devestated if it turned against me….

          • Terry Tree Tree

            More true than you seem to realize!

          • mary elizabeth

            Your vague, unsuppoprted comments are annoying.

          • Gregg

            Is “Fair share” vague? “Corporations”? They don’t have a clue.

            Sorry if I annoy you but it’s not your blog.

          • TFRX

            “All” is a much more narrowly-defined term over the last 1/3 of a century, according to economic mobility figures.

            Now, what class you’re born in determines much more where you’ll end up. The Horatio Alger stories are becoming much more anecdotal.

          • Gregg

            Oprah did okay.

          • TFRX

            Anecdata–is it your favorite form of data?

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            I saw this on-line recently:  the plural of anecdote isn’t data.

          • Steve T

            Yeah shes in the top 1%. 1 in a million and the first Black female  billionaire. Try again.

          • mary elizabeth

            Not to acknowledge that there are grave inequities in the quality of life, from decent jobs, decent health , decent educaton, and that the lagrest share of the “goodies” is going to the 1% at the top is absurd.   Your comment is  simplistic and meanspirited as people who have worked 25-30 years have the rug pulled out for no fault of their own.

          • Gregg

            It seems you want to legislate equal outcome, I don’t. Equal opportunity is good enough for me.

          • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

            “no fault of their own.”

            That’s where your comment is too simplistic. People who had decent jobs and did not save money, then lost the jobs have some responsibility for the fact that they’re broke now. Somehow an entire generation of people think that it’s okay to spend every nickel they make and not save anything.

            While I agree that there are terrible inequalities in our society and many on Wall Street should go to jail, be careful where you toss stones. Some of us aren’t millionaires but have lived conservatively, saved money and may be able to ride out this bad time on savings.

            I’ve worked for over 30 years and certainly lost quite a bit of the value of my IRA and other investments in this recession, but I’m not wiped out and I have some savings to fall back on.

            While I agree with Gregg on very little, I do believe that individuals bear at least some responsibility for their lot in life, that really is the “American way” and it’s a way I’ve grown up with.

            To blame everything on greed from the top 1% doesn’t acknowledge that there is dysfunction in the other 99% too.

          • Steve T

            What part of the dysfunctional 99% are you?

          • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

            “What part?” Not quite sure what you’re asking.

          • Steve T

            I don’t think that we blame “everything” as you stated on the top 1%. Just the Greed part. I to have lost a lot, my savings have dwindled to almost nothing, and I have worked longer than you have.
            Don’t get me wrong I agree with a lot of your statements I just don’t like to be kicked when I’m down.

          • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

            I’m not kicking everyone, just the professional victims who take no personal responsibility for their lot in life. It’s a lot easier to lump all the hedge fund types on one side and everyone else on the other but I don’t think it’s as clean as that.

            There are 1% investment  bankers who are and aren’t greedy, and there are people in the 99% group who have lived both within their means and lost money (me and you) and people who have lived beyond their means and now blame the investment bankers for the fact that they took on more debt than they could handle, good or bad economy.

            Lumping everyone who’s doing poorly in this terrible economy into one group is a mistake.

          • Anonymous

            So please provide us with your explanation of why the disparity in income and wealth is greater than at any time since just before the “great depression”?  Or maybe you think that event was no big deal.

          • Steve T

            Like you say Gregg show me some proof.

          • AC

            i hate to say it, because I do understand why they won’t give a definitive list of demands, but Gregg has a point. Pres. Obama said much the same yesterday tho I wasn’t able to hear the entire speech, but he pointed out that little could be done now for certain ‘misbehaviours’ because they simply were not illegal at the time. Whether or not it was ethical is not the point. The law is the law, and yes – the law has sometimes been called an ‘ass’, but you can’t throw it away after the fact even if the errors in it are glaring.
            Someone mentioned the Ken Burns doc ‘Prohibition’ & it’s similar tensions to today – I saw it too, and was thinking the same thing when they talked about the stock market crash because of easy credit and little regulation.
            Shame on us for not learning from history…..All we can do is re-write certain laws going forward, and in 50 or so yrs, when this is a spec of memory, probably they’ll temporarily be overturned again

          • nj

            Obummer is either clueless or lying. Forging mortgage documents isn’t illegal? Instead of investigating and prosecuting, Obie’s so-called Justice Dept. is settling with the banks.

            Wake up, folks! 

      • Cory

        Why do they hate the rich?

        • GretchenMo

          Envy drives so much of tax and public policy.  We went through two decades where people loaded up on debt so they could live the lifestyle they aspired to but couldn’t afford.  Now the bill’s come due and they want to hit the reset button. 

          • Cory

            If it were truly envy, couldn’t the massive underclass lash out and destroy the top 5% and confiscate their wealth?  If it were envy, wouldn’t that make sense?  What would stop them?

          • GretchenMo

            Lethargy, corn syrup, Glee, …

        • Gregg

          Good question, they should thank them.

          • Cory

            Thank or grovel?

        • nj

          They have Gregg has no clue what they’re protesting.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            I’ve listened to representatives of this movement–they can’t answer the question as to what they want, but they want it now.

          • Anonymous

            If you are relying on mainstream media for your info, I can see why you are confused. They were willing to ignore it until they really couldn’t anymore and now they are trying to discredit it. I have seen interviews with folks who are articulate and have a vision regarding this movement. It resonates with people and its followers are growing rapidly.

          • AC

            I think the best way to try and think about this movement abstractly is to consider – nature hates singularities; there are multiple variables of compounds before a chain of reaction begins.
            There are multiple variables to consider how we fell into the position we currently find ourselves in, you can’t just find that singular one to blame, the relationships are too…symbiotic…or am I being naive? could be. I have no pride (well, I’m trying to have no pride), so feel free to let me know I’m being ridiculous…
            In any case, that is how I view it. Of course some of the kooks & even worse, self righteous, have chimed in. But what will come of the stronger bonds created that will form something new? I’m interested to know…

    • Anonymous

      Well it is when they hike up the interest for no reason.
      You have a very simple world view, it’s a shame.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      Tuitions increased exponentially as the govt increased their backing of students.  The increases have greater than housing. The banks created the bubble.  The colleges and universities are at fault as much as the banks and govt.  Its total collusion.

      “they knew what they were getting into to ???”  
      Hey Guest, Seniors in high school are expecting to go to college !!!!!   Most would sign for loans even if tuition were a million dollars a year.

      But maybe you are on to something.  Maybe the entire senior high school class of America should put off college until ALL the schools drop their tuition back a decade or two.   Imagine empty freshmen classrooms around the country.

      • Guest

        Banks are not directly responsible for tuition increases. Indirectly I can see how access to easy credit can increase the demand on schools and thus jack up tuition.

        But maybe you are right. Maybe banks should deny poor students who decide to major in basket weaving and have no chance of paying back their loans. And that they should keep tabs on their grades and have additional interest hikes as a function of GPA? This will prevent the terrible situation of basket weavers complaining that there is no jobs for basket weavers and students who need the threat of rate increase to study?

        • mary elizabeth

          Never met a  college  grad who majored in basket weaving.
          Students have been relying on loans for generations and paying them back .
          Your comment is incoherent and uninformed re: the issues that are causing such unrest.

          • Guest

            Basket weaving, FYI, is a term used by college students to signify that their major will not lead to gainful employment. Basket weaving majors specifically are mostly non-STEM majors. STEM is an acronym for science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. STEM jobs are jobs that are in demand even in our depressed economy.

            Basket weavers often complain after graduating that their job could be done by a high school students, and that they went to college for an education and not for job training. But really why should they expect better? If you spend 4 years after college basket weaving why should you expect better than a high school student when it comes to a job.

            This is relevant because the original poster expressed confusion as to why basket weavers should blame the banks for their decision to be gainfully unemployed and stuck with debt.

    • GretchenMo

      It’s personal irresponsibility, pass the accountability, it’s somebody else’s fault mentality.  Apparently this is what makes America great.

      • AC

        omg. I think you’re talking about my sister…..where were you when I was 12?

      • Cory

        We can’t all be towers of iron virtue, such as you.  Some of us are fat, stupid, and even lazy.  Do we deserve to starve?  How about being stoned or harvested for our organs and hair?

        • GretchenMo

          Yes, you’ve clearly identified the only options.

          • Cory

            You are correct.  I omitted destitute and dirt poor without hope.

        • AC

          ewww!!!! wait, they’ve finally cloned a human embryo for stem cells. We can just burn you – I’d rather have the fresher stuff…

          • Cory

            My kidneys must be worth something!

          • AC

            well, this just came out the other day, i think you’ll be good until they perfect the cloning process. you should sell now, while your ‘property’ is still hot.
            lol ;)
            i should go into sales, i’ve got the lingo down….

        • brian parizek

          make your own life or let someone else pick it for you?  it’s a lot easier to blame someone else when you “claim” to not have a hand in deciding where life will take you.

          • Anonymous

            Try telling that to those who ran the length of the field only to have the goal post moved when they were 10 yrds out.

          • brian parizek

            then your answer is to quit the game, take your ball and go home.  our lives are a mix of fate and fortune, but ultimately it’s on you. 

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Are you advocating ‘Be rich, be a slave, or just die’?

          • Anonymous

            No, I am not even sure how you came to that conclusion?? There are those who, by virtue of age or disability, that can no longer reinvent themselves every single time they lose everything to the vagaries of the market. Is it so hard to imagine those folks who, on the verge of retirement, lose everything they have worked & saved for their entire lives. How many 50-60 yr olds have absolutely no chance of finding a job or ever retiring because the almighty stock market took their money & ran away with it? They have run out of time and options. If life gives you lemons, you make lemonade, but what if the lemons it gives you are rotten? 

          • Steve T

            No, I no longer own the ball, or my home they were taken. But when it happens to you I hope you have enough dignity, to remember your own words and try to live on that for a while.

    • Cory

      C’mon dude, pick a name.  “Guest” is lame!

    • mary elizabeth

      Could it  be that they signed up for loans thinking they would have jobs waiting with which they could pay them off as generations before them have?  It is the lack of job prospects that are the source of protests.

      • brian parizek

        what to do today….protest wall street or look for work?

        • Anonymous

          no reason you can’t do both in this day & age 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    These protestors are setting the example. They are creating the protest infrastructure and testing the waters.   The govt is also watching closely because they know its only going to get bigger and possibly violent.

    What you see protesting now are mostly mid to upper-middle class students and some homeless regulars. The millions of angry and desperate people have yet to take to the streets.

  • Anonymous

    Brian: “You’re all individuals.”

    Crowd: “We’re all individuals.”

    Brian: “You’re all different!”

    Crowd: “We’re all different!”

    One person: “I’m not!”
    ;-)

    I think the Autumn in the USA movement is great!

    Neil

  • GretchenMo

    We can watch the sideshow protests or focus on the main event.  If the eurozone is hit with a string of chain-reaction sovereign-debt defaults, no amount of recapitalization will protect banks enough to prevent a repeat of 2008′s panic, according to The Economist.  Remember 2008, that was not pretty, lots of mattress stuffing and canned goods provisioning. 

  • Cime

    Globalization led to the mess we are in! America is being left in the dust!!

  • john walter

      Occupy Wall St should move to the Congress in Washington DC  in order to bar access to corporate lobbyists.  Prevent anyone from reaching congress who doesn’t represent him/herself!  Only true citizens have the right to speak to congress!  Battle for our rights to free speech. 
      Also occupy K Street where most lobbying firms are housed to prevent them from leaving or arriving at their offices.
      The battle should be a battle for the right to speech.  To eliminate the rights of corporations to speech and to take back our government from their influence.
     

  • BHA in Vermont

    Boehner is trying to turn HIS “DO NOTHING THAT THE PRESIDENT WANTS” ‘leadership’ into claiming the President is not leading.

    Pretty hard to lead when those who are supposed to be working WITH you to PRODUCE something stick their fingers in their ears and say “I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!!”

    • Cory

      He can also close the door on the tanning booth if he doesn’t wish to listen.

  • Rebecca Miller

    What Steve Jobs did for us was enable creativity, starting around 1990. Graphic design will never be the same. Art has changed. So has photography. Video editing is actually better.  So are movies. He put devices in the hands of creative people who were scared of the computer.  He made the solutions easy and fun.  He made us want to sit down and be creative.  20 years ago I was an Executive Producer watching everyone else be creative.  Finally, with my design background,  I took the tools in my own hands.  Now I create–as director, designer, animator, editor, writer.  My business is successful. My clients like my work.  I have great creative satisfaction and a pile of new ideas.  Thank you Steve Jobs for changing my life and the world.  Rebecca Miller, Optik Nerve

    • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

      Thanks for that Rebecca. Jobs and Apple did the same thing type of thing for me. What a great ride it’s been and hopefully will continue to be.

  • TFRX

    The Weekly Standard guy said “The stimulus in’09 didn’t work”? Hmmm, who do I believe, the Weekly Standard or the CBO?

    I thought On Point invited right-wingers to make some sense with bidness facts. Now it looks like we have another hack, whose chief product is “doubt”. It’s just like the tobacco PR hacks a half-century ago.

    Time to audition another one. Somehow my hopes aren’t high for the next.

    • Anonymous

      Are there any?  All the ones I’ve seen trotted out can be out debated by Janeane Garofalo.  And that ain’t saying much.  Come on all you so-called conservative thinkers on this site.  Who do you think best articulates the principles that guide your thinking?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    All but one, then.

  • Anonymous

    Come on Matt, let’s have some analysis. I expect you to be conservative, but so far you sound like you’re on somebody’s campaign trail.

  • Dpweber83

    Jack and Matt need to drop the gloves.

    • TFRX

      Jack’s a fine, fact-based reporter.

      But if the Weekly Standard is going to be in one corner, can’t we ask for a card-carrying liberal in the other?

      I can get “RW shill” v. “observant, slightly-left-can’t-propagandize actual journo” on almost any NPR program every week.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    The Occupy Wall Street crowd boasts about having no unified message.  When you don’t know where you’re going, you won’t know when you get there.

    • mary elizabeth

      Trust us.  We will figure it out. 

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Uh, no.  I don’t trust mass movements.  I can’t be for something until I understand it.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Speak up for what you DO believe in!!   That’s a start.

        • Steve T

          This will probably get removed but I’ve got to say it.
          Greg you don’t understand your bowel movements.

  • Dpweber83

    Oh wow Matt Continetti gettin’ a little testy!

    Git ‘im.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    All right, Mr. Continetti, how do we take care of debt without sinking millions of citizens?

    • Cory

      Don’t know if you saw it, but I once again confused you and GREGG.  Sorry, I have no excuse.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        I have no excess gees in my name. . .

  • Carlo D

    the Republicans show how out of touch they are by their comments about ‘Occupy Wall Street’  - they are so used to speaking to their uneducated true believers that they do not know how to have a real debate based on real facts – they only know how to use fear and ignorance – prime elements of an ideal Koch brothers society  

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      How are the Occupy Wall Street people so much better than the Tea Party?  At least the Tea Party has an agenda.

      • Carlo

        I didn’tsay they were better, but the repubs praised the tea partyers as ‘examples of true democracy even as they carried obscene caricacures of Obama – but that moron Bill O said the occupy folks were ‘communist sympathizers’ – they don’t need an agenda, we need to identify the reason for the problem first and accept the fact that this is a coalition - 

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          A coalition–what’s that supposed to mean, they get a pass on having no message?

  • John

    Matt Continetti is a shill for the wealthy corporate upper class! And everybody knows it!

    • GretchenMo

      Yawn, show me where he’s wrong.

      • Dpweber83

        Yawn, your lazy argumentation bores me.

        • GretchenMo

          Another card-carrying member of the cult of ignorance, no surprise there.

          • Dan

            Yes, Gretchen, you are.

          • Sean

            Would this be similar to the Republican cult of ignorance that doesn’t even understand basic science?

          • Anonymous

            Avoiding the hard questions by using ideological fused rhetoric.
            That’s real ignorance, no surprises there.

      • Mossino17

        Yawn. Show me where he is right.

      • Dan

        Gretchen … You must either be (1) a member of the wealthy corporate upper class, or (2) being duped by them. Which is it?

      • June Foley

        Gretchen, he is wrong because he is not considering the cause of the debt problem–mal-distribution of wealth. 

  • Dan

    Matt Continetti is obnoxious.

  • John in Amherst

    Obama has NEVER controled the congress, owing to the GOP marching in lockstep so as to require a two thirds majority to pass anything of consequnece.  He has also not controled world events (e.g.: the European debt crisis) that are dragging the entire world economy down.  Perhaps Matt Contenetti could explain why 8 years of tax cuts under Bush failed to fuel anything but a realestate bubble?

  • June Foley

    I think the problem with the economy is mal-distribution of wealth. That’s what underlies the debt AND what underlies economic bubbles as wealthy people chase phantoms to invest in.

    • BHA in Vermont

      Yep, and they are easily duped by Wall Street with their ‘complex financial instruments’. They’ll put anything together to sell to people with money to invest but not the time or interest to vet the value of that ‘investment’.

  • quadraticus

    This meme that Hoover advocated austerity and that this led to the Great Depression is FALSE and needs to be stopped. Read this for an accurate history of what Hoover *really* did: http://mises.org/daily/4197

    • TFRX

      I’m not here to ret-con the guy’s rep, but he was “The Great Engineer”, who led the famine relief thing which kept Europe from starvation after WWI. The continent lost so many men, so much infrastructure, and so much arable land, and he got done what needed to be done. (Sorta a precursor to the Marshall Plan, to some minds.)

      The thing about the Great Depression is that it didn’t resemble the regular Panics we had before 1929. This time around, we know what happened last time.

      I wonder what the ghost of Herbert Hoover would say about today’s GOP.

      • Steve T

        The old saying “he’s rolling in his grave”

  • Anonymous

    Why would any business expand and create more jobs if they had doubts about consumer demand? What is the logic of “job creators,” according to Matt C, who decide to expand based on government debt levels, and not based on potential profits? You don’t create jobs because your taxes go up or down a little, you create jobs when you think expansion is in the best interest of short or long term profitability. Or am I wrong? 

    • BHA in Vermont

      NOT AT ALL.

      And that is the point I would like EVERYONE to force the Republicans, with their “don’t tax the job creators” line of BS, to prove wrong.

      Of course it would be impossible. They CAN NOT show A SINGLE ‘small business’ employer who will not create jobs if they pay more tax. They AREN’T paying those taxes now and they are NOT creating jobs NOW. Cut their taxes and the won’t create jobs then either. No demand for product, no jobs.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly.  What were the marginal income tax and capital gains rates when Steve Jobs and his partner started their business venture? 

      The next person who refuses to make more money because their taxes will go up will be the first.

  • BHA in Vermont

    Perry is the ‘leader’ of a state WAY near the bottom of the unemployed pile. I can see why he isn’t flying too high on his ‘job creation ‘ record.

  • Brandstad

    Tom,

    You surely know that the problem with the Obama plan is when you increase taxes on anything, you get less of it, and when you get less of it you have less jobs.  It is that simple!

    • TFRX

      The rich got a nice break for at least a decade. Now they think they’re entitled to it and are whining because some people want rates to get back to normal. Even “lower than Reagan” normal.

      Are you that rich, or are you just full of that good ol’ peasant mentality?

    • BHA in Vermont

      Too simplistic.

      Raise taxes on cigarettes or candy and maybe people buy less.

      But anyone MAKING money by working will not work less if they need to give a couple percent more in taxes. And if anyone making a quarter million a year has the nerve to suggest they will stop working if they have to pay 39% (retaining 61%) instead of 35% is a liar.

    • Anonymous

      Pure jabberwocky.  Not to mention totally inconsistent with every identifiable economic fact. 

  • Brandstad

    The wall street protesters were put together with community organizers…. hmmmm who else was one of those?

    • Dpweber83

      There are people in the Occupy Wall Street crowd who have mixed ethnic backgrounds, hmmm, who else was one of those?

      Shut.  Up.  Your guilt-by-association crap is really counter-productive.

      -dan
      Boston, MA

      • Anonymous

        He should not be required to shut up.  I encourage his outspokenness, which  helps those of us who are in touch with reality and logic to understand where our opposition is coming from.  An under appreciated benefit of free speech.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        I find his erroneous and mis-leading comments to be humorus, in a silly kind of way.  I somewhat followed that delusion, until it got so obvious.

    • nj

      ^ Winner, Most-Moronic-Comment-of-the-Day Award!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Corporate ‘citizens’ that won’t show their Birth Certificates?   Hmmm, Why hasn’t the TEA Party been ALL over this??

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.iannuccilli Eric Iannuccilli

    is it not true that the obama administration continually said that this is not going to be a quick fix , continually . 3 years in thru continual republican blockades we are showing slight improvement. thats kind of impressive especially with the veracity of the republican battle against anything obama from the get go. Obama’s failing came in the begining when instead of railroading the republicans when democrats where in control he tried to work with them. Once the republicans took the house  they immediately said a big fyou to working bipartisanly, thanks for being nice but we won’t be. so much civility in this modern world . 

  • Dh001g

    It is going to be long hard slog. Still there are different kinds of debt. We ran up most of our current debt on the war in Iraq. That had no benefit for the United States. There was a 0% return on that investment. On the other hand the US government can borrow right now for around 2% interest. If we borrow that money and invest that in the productivity of the nation, things like educating our children, putting more computers in schools, creating better energy grid, and better transportation system, we can get way more a 2% return. I think a 5%-10% return would realistic. For example, we spend about 60 billion dollars a year importing foreign oil. I believe our annual trade deficit is around the same number. If we build a better mass transit system based on street cars like they have in Istanbul, or Portland, we could save that 60 billion. For 200 billion we could have totally retooled the countries transit system. Thats a lot better way to spend our money than throwing a couple of trillion dollars down a hole in Iraq.

    • Steve T

      Dh001g ” Thats a lot better way to spend our money than throwing a couple of trillion dollars down a hole in Iraq.”

      Well we had all thees bombs just laying around since Vietnam so…. 

  • Dan

    Okay, whining about what the news is or is not covering is pretty worthless.

    • TFRX

      “What” and “How” are the same thing in this mediascape. Thanks to the tilted gaming table, the right doesn’t have to complain to the mainstream press (including NPR) that they’re not being covered, simply get Fox News and Drudge to do what has to be done, and the mainstream “liberal” media will cover it, with the right’s framing.

      Why? Because “it’s out there”!

      And have you seen how the NYT rewrote “reality” about Occupy Wall Street?

      http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nyt-brooklyn-bridge-fraud.jpg

  • Dpweber83

    ‎”Opinion changes because people say things in public.” preach, Jack Beatty, preach

  • Rev. Jason Lydon

    As someone who has been staying at “occupy Boston” I want to disagree with the person who said we are not against capitalism.  Many of us at Occupy Boston and at the occupy movements throughout the country ARE anti-capitalists.  Not all of us are, but to say that WE are not anti-capitalist is not accurate. 

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Every interview I hear with protestors leaves me with the impression that there is no coherent message.  How do you plan to achieve anything with that?

      • Anonymous

        Expecting balanced & informative coverage of protests, from a media largely controlled by the same corporate entities that are being protested against for their lobbying and influence over domestic politics, is like expecting an oil company to call you up and offer you a rebate on all that overpriced gas you bought. Want to find coherent messages? You’re likely going to have to go to alternative sources. Try this http://youtu.be/CJgWdfZqDj0 or perhaps http://www.therealnews.com as a start…

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          I don’t have time to wander aimlessly around YouTube.  I keep hearing the “corporate media” line time and time again, but here we are on an NPR show that’s talking about it.  I’ve listened to interviews with the protestors.

          Perhaps you’d care to tell us what Occupy Wall Street represents?

          • Anonymous

            Yes, in brief, it was a social #meme started by an agitprop publication called “Adbusters” with a simple stated goal to “end the monied corruption of our democracy” – they put it forth in their magazine and on the web, and people responded http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/occupywallstreet

            What’s monied corruption of our democracy? I don’t know, perhaps the bank bailouts – ie. taxpayers going without so that one industry filled with high paid CEOs didn’t have to suffer the real world market consequences of bad business decisions? Or the irony that we are all driving around on crumbling roads and bridges, so that our tax money can be diverted to the bombing and rebuilding of other nations? 

            It’s no one thing, and when is it ever?

            Other goals might include getting people like you to stop and ask these questions.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            I ask many questions.  What I can’t stand is a bunch of protestors who have no discipline and who haven’t thought the matter through.  That’s just like the dogs in the movie “Up.”  We don’t know what we want, but we–squirrel!

          • Anonymous

            I don’t doubt you ask questions. So, I think it’s positive overall that people are seeing this and wondering what to make of it. I think you are severely generalizing the mix of people participating in protests, I mean when you.. squirrel!

          • Anonymous

            Seriously, here are some very specific ideas that have come out – worth looking at

            #Occupy Wall Street: A Ten Point Program | NationofChange – http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/christopher-petrella/occupy-wall-street-ten-point-program-1317602696

          • Steve T

            As usual Greg you are the Squirrel and the nut!

      • Anonymous

        I think “regulate the financial sector” or “our government is for sale to the wealthiest” are no less coherent than  “reduce taxes on the job creators” or “cut government spending (without identifying any specific cuts)”.  And the latter are the actual plans of elected reps as opposed to an unorganized group of citizens.

  • RDHerendeen

    I tried to listen.  A minute or so in, your guest Mr Continetti used the term “Obamacare”, an ugly abuse of language.  Then he spoke of “Bernanke’s Fed”, a puerile rhetorical demonization. I turned off the radio  

    • Steve T

      If you keep tuning out you won’t learn anything, you did what congress has done for to long, the stopped listening to the people

  • Litekeep

    Tom,
    My wife and I have been discussing this in our home on a nightly basis most of this week.  We’ve even begun discussing this with our kids.  And at first she was thinking this is ridiculous (she is much more conservative than I).  But, last night she was listening as someone interviewed person after person on Wall Street.  And we have come to believe that the media and government risk much if they are not listening to whats going on.  This is a pure ground swell movement.  People are sick and tired.  We are both employed and we do well (thank God) but the injustice of the difference between the haves (1%) and the have nots (99%) are appalling!  It needs to change!  We need a government that listens to us and not to the rich, the lobbyists, the corporations.

  • Phil (Des Moines)

    RE Jack Beattie’s quote of Van Jones: Let’s hope that “American Fall” does not possess the double entendre of “Arab Spring.”

  • Gregorclark

    Yes, many of us on the left have moved beyond Obama.

    For me, there are three reasons:
    1) Obama caved in and extended all the Bush tax cuts.
    2) Obama failed to fight for any kind of public option in health care.
    3) Obama continues to spend lives and money on wars that make no sense.
    4) Obama staffed his economic team with the same old boy network who got us in trouble in the first place.

    I will not support Obama in next year’s Democratic primary, and will onlyl vote for him holding my nose in the general election. I say this as someone who was so enthused about his election in 2008 that I drove my family 600 miles to see his inauguration.

    Gregor Clark
    Middlebury, VT

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    99% ????    I think at least four percent of the elite class are wiping their brows…for now at least.    Interesting how the gatekeepers of these protests (Michael Moore is one) can set the parameters for everyone else.   

    The top 5% of the uber-wealthy privileged class are having their way.
    These protestors need to be going after the TOP FIVE PERCENT !!!!!

  • Akfaka

    “If you don’t have a job, blame yourself”? what an idiotic comment. The Wall Street bankers trashed our economy, led to millions of job lost, employers are reluctant to hire new workers, because their hands are tight. How are people going to get a job?

  • Mrs D in Nebraska

    I get so frustrated when the media — including you and your guests — seem to think you have to use some form of the word “try” in every single sentence, or at least paragraph, about President Obama and his administration.  The glee with which various commentators tell us about anything they can spin to the negative makes me sick!  Let’s help Mr. Obama make the changes we need!

  • Anonymous

    Who subsidized the roads his trucks go on?

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Yup–he just said that the government doesn’t create jobs.  That may be literally true in a limited sense, but i wonder how many jobs in his industry were made possible by the interstate highway system.

      • Anonymous

        And cheap fuel, well at least it use to be…

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Just so.  Government does create some jobs, but more importantly, it can create an environment in which stable jobs are possible.

          • TFRX

            I’m concerned that some folks won’t miss it til it’s gone.

          • Steve T

            It has in the past …. But now days?

    • brian parizek

      maybe Ray thinks private industry built those roads?  in respect ot hiring, where are they now?

  • Tinstman

    I happy for the “Occupy Wall Street” crowd.  At least the Tea Party’ers can’t claim to be the voice of “Main Street” anymore.  Likewise, the “We are the 99%” crowd moniker is exaggerated.  Overall, I’m glad they are there.  That’s what healthy democracy’s should do.

  • Rex

    I’m confused.  Are the wall street protesters out there against the MEGA-corporations or that guy who called in about creating a SMALL business?  Although Ray has a good point, it’s completely off topic

  • BHA in Vermont

    Hey Ray,
      Thanks for paying the road use taxes and fuel taxes. I don’t suppose you DEDUCT those business expenses from your gross before paying income taxes do you?

    It is pretty clear you don’t see far beyond your “I’m one of those rich people” shield.

  • Dh001g

    I think Ray has a trucking company because the government built the internet system. I also bet he got a great public education. He probably also benefited from government programs to help him buy a house. I think all the 99%’s want is a fair shot. The education system which gave Ray his chance to be a successful just doesn’t exist anymore.

    • BHA in Vermont

      I presume you mean Interstate, not internet.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Of course, the Internet was a government project in DARPA.  But government doesn’t create jobs. . .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    I bet ya good ol boy ex-military rags-to-riches  “Ray” who called in with the 630 trucks is probably to the max with Federal contracts…probably military contracts.  

    • Steve T

      It ain’t necessarily so. You don’t know so don’t put words in his mouth.

  • W. Fu

    With Steve Jobs’ passing this week, I am amazed to see the out-pouring of grieve, respect, admiration from people around the world.  He exemplified what one person, working with a team of smart people, can do to change the world in a positive way.  Contrast this with the protest in Wall Street, (I am sorry to say but) the Wall Street bankers should think twice what kind of legacy they are leaving to the rest of the world. 

  • TFRX

    Caller Ray (who owns his own trucking company): What was his aggregate tax percentage twelve years ago v today? Is he a small-enough business that when he wants to get a loan from a bank, they just chuckle?

    Someone who executes a runtime business every day should have more knowledge about how few jobs there are out there and how many people apply to each one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      A guy with over 600 trucks does not survive without government contracts.  These guys who claim to be big capitalists are really on the dole.  A bunch of parasites.

        And to make it worse,  he’s probably shipping bombs, Budweiser and hot pockets to the troops.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        He said that he runs refrigerator trucks–reefers, he called them.  Why not just contracts with grocery stores?  Not everything is the result of a conspiracy.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

          630 trucks ???   On just private business?    How do you think the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan get fed?  And all the military bases around the US ???    “Ray” grew from 1 to 630 reefer trucks in the past few years, while supermarkets have been closing en mass during this period. 

          Hey Mr. Greg, that kind of stellar growth in the past ten years has been with military and federal contracts !!!

          I would bet my savings that this good ol ex military boy got beaucoup federal contracts.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            You are certain about a feeling, but you have no facts.  I wonder if you’ve created a similarly supported opinion in any other area. . .

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            I use correlations and logic.  Yes, I generalize on certain instances, but its bases on proven circumstances and facts.   Sure “good ol Ray” could be transporting ice cream to grammar schools around the country with this SIX HUNDRED AND THIRTY TRUCKS but I doubt it.

            Regarding feelings,  this is more specific, for instance, I have a feeling that “good ol boy Ray” transports Tyson chickens on federal contracts.   Just a feeling mind you.  But Google Tyson and Clinton and see what kind of conspiracy stuff comes up.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            Again, you offer no proof.  You’ve read a website–you didn’t cite it, by the way–and thus it must be true.  There aren’t hundreds of grocery stores in this country?  Six hundred trucks can easily be occupied by delivering to businesses.

            One datum point does not a line make.

          • TFRX

            Cmon, we are dealing with one person. Speculating on his particulars in a country criss-crossed with interstate and US highways and cheap gas isn’t going to get us anyplace. “In the past few years” is an indeterminate timeframe, for one thing.

            If he becomes the next poster child, the next “Joe The Plumber”, has someone making him a cause celebre, magically showing up to ask candidates questions or getting plum spots on panel shows because “he’s the people” (h/t Steinbeck), then the exact particulars are of interest.

            But right now you’ve gone beyond the certainty event horizon: We know a lot of generalities and tendencies about truckers. Let’s leave it at that.

    • BHA in Vermont

      How many jobs is Ray creating TODAY?
      And if the demand for his trucking services stays the same:
      How many will he create if we drop his top tax rate to 31%?
      How many will he drop if the rate goes to 39%?

      Right, ZERO in both cases. 

  • ebw343

    What alternate universe does Ray live in? “Government doesn’t greate jobs”…Government jobs do exist, the private sector has been creating jobs and we’ve had 0% job growth because so many government jobs have been cut over the last few years.

    PS: Agreed on amending the Constitution to repeal Citizens United!

  • Rob

    I wonder what roads Ray’s trucks are driving on?  I had supposed government built those.  

    • Anonymous

      Not to mention the safety laws he has to abide by.
       

  • Sawyerfarm2006

    Government may not create jobs. I personally do not agree. But government can certainly create demand!!!

  • Proletariart

    People saying that the government doesn’t create jobs must have missed a recent NPR interview and piece done on the 10 wealthiest areas in the US; that 7 of them are the clandestine, defense, under cover, or new surveillance, etc. centers of the United States…..

    • Brandstad

      Sure the Government creates jobs, but they don’t pick the money they pay their employees off of magic trees!  They can only create a job and pay them by taking money from the private sector and not allowing the private sector from creating a more productive job!

      • Anonymous

        What a load of complete bullocks.

        • Brandstad

          So you disagree with the non-existance of magic money trees?  Please show me one!

          • Anonymous

            No I disagree with your comments about government jobs.
            If you don’t like having government I suggest you go live in Somalia.
            I hope you have the money to hire enough protection.
            Not willing to do that? Well I guess you will need the government to protect your behind.

          • Steve T

            Try reading the post first.

          • Steve T

            Jeffe:
            He obviously thinks like the head of the FED, money grows on trees.
            Unfortunately, the magical trees are made of people. 

        • Steve T

          hes right and you probably have some hanging from the back of your truck.

          • Anonymous

            This comment came to me as response. I’m not sure what you are trying to say here but it seems pretty offensive and not called for.
            I don’t have a truck either, are you really this ignorant?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            I’m not sure that Steve wasn’t complimenting you on your apparent MANHOOD.  Or he was talking about the ridiculous trailer-hitch ornament?
            Pick one or more?

          • Steve T

            Sorry Jeff I thought you were replying to Terry tree tree. In the case of a reply to Brandstad you are totally correct, Thanks for bringing my ignorance to my attention, again I apologize.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Those ‘Security company jobs, ARE private sector jobs!!  They get MORE than the same positions IN government.  The executives get a LOT more than government pay!!   Do you feel safer with 1300 private Security firms, with 85,000 duplicating the SAME work, at those higher pay rates?  Don’t forget that those companies are in business to make a PROFIT!!  So you pay more for 300 people to read your eMail, and listen to your conversations! 

  • Danpgh

    Ask Ray the self made trucking company owner how his 401K is doing?

  • 99% in Connecticut

    My husband and I are the 99% and we have no problem with personal responsibility.

    We bought a house we could afford; we pay our mortgage, our credit card, and all our bills on time, in full, every month; we don’t have cable; we buy cars and clothes and furniture second-hand. Our mortgage is our only debt, but it is tens of thousands of dollars ‘underwater’ due to plummeting housing prices. We both work and make $80,000 per year. We are working hard, “working our way up.” We are fine . . . for now.

    But if my husband is laid off — which is a distinct possibility in this extended economic mess — none of our disciplined personal responsibility would matter. We would lose big — as many of our family members, friends, and neighbors have already — while the 1% and giant corporations get richer and richer and richer by playing with our nation’s wealth.

    • Brandstad

      If the corportations don’t get richer, your 401K will be worthless, and you will be without a job.  Because of this I choose prosparity for all instead of eat the rich and the resulting poverty for all. 

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        A lot of us don’t have 401Ks.  We live month to month.

        • brian parizek

          my folks are retired w/ a pension, 401k, healtcare etc.  it was a different time.  but i don’t think i necessarily deserve what they received; times change and so do the norms.

          • Steve T

            It was supposed to get better not worse.

        • Anonymous

          The change from defined benefit pensions, which put the risk of loss/success on the professional managers of those funds and the businesses who agreed to fund them, to 401(k)’s, which put that risk on relatively uninformed workers, who also lack the sophisticated information services and trading skills available to the pros, was the lynch pin of the greatest transfer of wealth from labor to capital in the history of the world. 

      • Anonymous

        Gee, let me see how your logic works here.
        A fair amount of the fortune 500 corporations have had the largest profits in years and are sitting on huge stockpiles of cash reserves and yet my IRA is going down and down. So are a lot of peoples 401K’s. Well I guess there goes that argument down the shoot of silly comments.

      • Anonymous

        I think everyone, like me,  who thinks your views typically are pathetic, agrees with you on one point:  we want “prosperity for all”, not just a few percent.  You must recognize the undeniable fact that that goal has become much less attainable since trickle down economic principles have been implemented as government policy.  We want to change that policy and reach the same goal you claim to favor.  It’s that simple.

        • Four Elements

          Actually, we have a “trickle up” system.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Trickled on, is what most of it is, and it isn’t yellow rain!

      • Terry Tree Tree

        ‘Prosparity’ for all?  With the GREEDY rich taking 99% of the money, and cutting jobs here, HOW DOES THAT WORK??

        • Four Elements

          Maybe he was being really clever and combining “parity” and “prosperity” which would mean prosperity at the same level for evreyone. I like it!

  • Stew

    You guest mentioned the failed policys of the Obama administration.  That completely ignores the fact that they staved off a much worse depression. 
    I have a problem with any conservative’s concern about the deficit. 
    The time to be concerned was when Bush took us into the uneccessary Iraq war, and institiuted an expensive perscription drug program that was a give away to big pharma, but not letting the government negotiate drug prices.  And on top of that he gave a tax cut to the wealthy in a time of war. 
    This is the one time that it is pretty much universally agreed by economists that Governemnt needs to put money into the economy.  When business, and consumers are not spending, Goernment has to.  Doing this to speed the recovery also reduces the defecit. The more people working, the more taxes being paid.  The reason Japan has taken so long to come out of their reccession is because they choose to tackle their defecit first. 

  • nj

    Caller Ray the Trucker, as do most of the right, can’t distinguish anecdote from institution. The “everyone-just-needs-to-suck-it-up,” and “look, I-worked-hard-what’s-wrong-with-you” critiques would have us ignore the systemic inequities that have infected our politics and finance. Simply because some one or other of us is determined and lucky enough to do well in spite of the rigged system is no reason to fix the system.

    • AC

      be gentle, he’s obviously older and from a past that is disappearing….poor guy.

      • brian parizek

        smart, witty, humorous…message?  none

        • AC

          the message is to be gentle. I’m convinced we’re in a weird historical transition period of history – i don’t want to villify people who can’t understand that the old ways won’t work anymore….it’s just not that world anymore, but it doesn’t mean the sentiment isn’t noble.

          • brian parizek

            the message that the old ways won’t work anymore is an excuse in itself.  that “ray” doesn’t get it his “sentiment” is noble is another excuse.  just be straight forward and “villify” all you want…why hide it in cutsy commentary.

          • AC

            i have to agree. i guess i was starting to think i was showing my personal beliefs well enough here, but not everyone cares or follows my trending thoughts. The ‘old ways’ are just that to me, and it means what was plausible ~10yrs ago. I don’t see how liking a sentiment is an excuse tho?

          • brian parizek

            does history or past practice mean nothing then? no, as you said, it is a different time; but do we necessarily need to throw out every ideal or sentiment of the past?

          • AC

            ah. no, I LIKE the sentiment, if we’re referring to the ‘suck-it-up’ or anything encouraging personal responsibility (i’m a big believer of personal responsibility), but one of my trending thoughts that I’m having trouble defining has been that there are simply too many people that we simply have no jobs for – (milkmen, mailmen, tellers, book-sellers, papermills…everything that changing technology has caused to disappear, with all it’s pros and cons…)

          • TFRX

            I’ll worry about being more gentle when the right does. I’ll concern myself about it when the normals, the usedtabee Rockefeller or Eisenhower Republicans have some influence in that party.

            Now Rush and Drudge are the gatekeepers. The GOP has used up all their “let’s try to be civil about this” with too much whining about anyone who says “Boo” to their drivel and dares call them on their lies.

            As for the actual caller, his ignorance about what public goods (and perhaps the GI Bill–I think he said he served) played in his success are incredible. He might want to try his hand in Brazil, a  place with much more civil unrest ,and much less equitable income and asset tables.

      • nj

        That was hardly harsh. 

        • AC

          yeah, it does seem mean when i read it again. sorry…

    • nj

      Correction:

      “…is no reason not to fix the system.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      Maybe it was part of the rigged system that a guy can go from 1 truck to 630 trucks during a recession.  Maybe govt contracts.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        If you disagree with the man, that’s fine.  But making these unsupported claims about his business is just silly.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

          Greg, what is really silly is for a guy to call in a talk show bragging about how he turned one truck into 630 and berates everyone else for not being able to do the same – without SUPPORTING the specifics about his particular good fortune ( being govt subsidy).

  • Anonymous

    I love that Republicans keep claiming that the stimulus didn’t work. They will not own up to the fact that the impact of the stimulus package was damaged by their insistance on tax cuts were the most inneffective way to stimulate. They won’t own up to the fact that GOPonomics created a 4 million job deficit under Bush BEFORE the crash. Expecting a return to GOPonomics to restore our economy is utter nonsense: it was a major contributor to the creation of this mess!  I love that comment by Matt: demand will not stimulate this economy…. economies are defacto demand economys. Starve the 99%: shrink demand!!! Go 99%’ers.

  • AC

    this caller Jack has intrigued me…..i think i’d like to go to law school. just for fun tho. there’s so much i don’t know about it….

    • Anonymous

      Don’t!  Save your money and it wasn’t very fun.

  • Rex

    How about we just not expect things to happen overnight and shut off the news for one week?

  • Anonymous

    This is a movment, hopefully as legit as the social movements in the past which brought forth meaningful social change. We cannot wait for our politicians to lead, the time is now! The people must act to bring forth social change. It happened with women’s suffrage and civil rights: http://michaelmaczesty.blogspot.com/2011/10/house-always-wins.html

  • Joe in Philly

    To the caller from Nashville: Amen brother!

    To Tom: Please address the caller’s issue re: legality. Let’s face it, not one Wall Streeter is in jail as a result of the fraud committed during the financial crises. Why?

    • Joe in Philly

      Shame Tom. You really skirted this issue. Perhaps this could be the subject of future show? How about: “Accountability? Why we continue to reward state-sanctioned corruption in America” 

  • Margaret in Omaha

    I laugh at the media trying to define occupy wall street. The individual stories are be told and OWS is the voice.
    I also am surprised that no one is talking about the report on China quality down and cost going up. IF US does not act on Infrastructure there will be no enticement for return.
    Jobs bill helps unemployed Veterans also. The crisis of homeless and unemployed Veterans made the Des Moines Register Headline This Week.
    We the 99% of Americans voice will not be silenced by the political voice of a corporate person.

  • Chris

    Notice that practically all the Occupiers are white? Notice all their iPhones? Their nice EMS tents? Notice that many them are suckers for going to $50,000-a-year colleges in the first place?

    • TFRX

      Prove that everyone with an EMS tent and an iPhone went to a $50K/annum college, please.

      • nj

        Proof? We don’t need no stinkin’ proof!

        Just put a bunch of cliches together in close proximity.

        Al Gore, mansion, limousine liberal…

        Welfare mother, Cadillac, lots of kids…

        See how that works?

        • TFRX

          You are hereby dunned $100 Foxbucks for failing to point out that AlGoreIsFat.

          • nj

            Dang!

  • Emjones
    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      You do keep showing us that.  Do you have a point about what it means and how you would correct the matter?

  • Anonymous

    Regarding the trucking company gentlemen who just called in. That’s great that he was able to build his business. He kind of sounded like a protester in his last sentence though – does he not get that? He said something like : ‘create economic environment favorable to business growth’. That’s the whole point of the protests, we don’t have that! People are protesting that it’s harder to do what he was able to do nowadays. People feel that financial and other corporate lobbyists have effectively purchased the government as a means to un-level the playing field. I’d expect it might be harder for him to build his same business from scratch today without being severly stymied by regulations and a business environment tailored to benefit larger established competitors. Protesting is as American as bootstrapping sir. You were fortunate to start a business during a time in American history that was prosperous thanks to people who fought hard for the many rights we enjoy and don’t want to see go away. Don’t assume your good luck equals superior business acumen. Don’t you forget that. 

    • Michele

      In addition his statement that the government does not create jobs is completely erroneous.  The federal government is one of the country’s largest employers!  People only see what they choose to see.

  • Stew

    We already gave taxcuts to the rich, and cut regulations under bush.  That didn’t help the economy.  In fact the deregulation allowed the banking and mortgage industry to take the risks, and cut the corners that got us int this mess.
    What’s being proposed by the republicans is essentially trickle down economics.  It didn’t work when Regan tried it, middleclass income has stagnated or dropped ever since/

  • Cyndi

    Enron doesn’t go back far enough.  Everyone was enjoying the 90s and never thought that, perhaps, it was all income on paper and not reality.  The reason this recession HAS to be hard and long is because it is correcting for half of a decade before our first “hiccup” in 2000.  Then the gov’t tried to fix things and all that did was prolong the inevitable.  I lived in San Diego in the 90s and the paper values of homes were thru the roof and people talked more about their stock values and not about what they actually had in the bank.  We need this recession to adjust our view of reality.  It sucks but it’s needed.  Also, all those bank people need to go to jail and considering how far the gov’t went to help them out?  I think it’s fair to regulate the pay for the higher ups. 

    • Four Elements

      I wish I’d said this, but I love it anyway: “The recession is not the disease; it’s the cure”.

  • American #1234

    To the caller Ray: So I assume you didn’t get any loans to start this trucking business of yours. The are many small businesses who would like to build themselves up also, but in this economy banks are hoarding their money and not lending to anyone. Even if they have well established busineses.

    Brittany
    Norfolk,VA

  • Brandstad

    Does anyone else see the Occupy Wall Street protests as being the polar opposite of the Tea Party Rally’s?
     
    The Occupy Wall Street protestors seem to want more government control over our lives and over companies while Tea Party People want to return the power to the People by moving power out of Washington and back to the states and local governments like it was up to the New Deal.
     

    • Anonymous

      And that worked out great in 1929.

      • jo

        Playing the racism card, how cute.

        • Anonymous

          No I’m not playing any card. But if the shoe fits…

          • Anonymous

            or the white sheet.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

            white sheets stain but shoes don’t

          • GretchenMo

            shoes stain white sheets

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Playing the History card, is more accurate!

    • Anonymous

      Outrage at Wall Street helped fuel the Teabaggers too but they misplaced their rage at health care reform (kind of like invading Iraq after 9/11).

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Very Good!!

    • Alan in NH

      Power in this country, whether you’re talking New England factories, Western mines or Southern plantations has always been substantially in the hands of Business, not in the hands of the people in their states. Moving power from Washington back to the states is an illusion. Unions were temporarily a somewhat challenging power to business by means of a long and bloody struggle that brought a substantially better level of existence for millions. But business has figured out that employing overseas slave labor, child labor in polluted conditions can undercut unions and restore their power to the levels they would like. A federal government could, if it had the will, reign in all sorts of abuses business engages in; states hardly ever have that power.

  • John in Amherst

    The GOP response to the Occupy Wallstreet crowd is sounding more and more like a rerun of the response to the antiwar movement of the 60′s and  70′s,  “America love it or leave it”.  It is extremely difficult to understand how the GOP base – the uberrich – can continue to coopt the evangelicals and the middleclass tea partiers into carrying their water.  It is abundently clear the GOP is for Big Business, not small business, not the middleclass, not the best interests of the vast majority of Americans.  Religion, racism xenophobia, etc. are powerful tools, but can only go so far in bamboozeling voters.  Hopefully voters will awaken en masse before November 2012 and show the GOP bounders the door. 

    • nj

      Do you really think the Dems aren’t “for Big Business,” too?

      The “occupy” movement either needs to take over the Democratic Party, to an extent greater than the Tea Party corralled the Repubs, or they (we) need to build a viable third party that will make the two existing parties irrelevant.

      That’s going to take sustained, focused work and organizing. Are we up for it?

      • American #1234

        A third party is needed more than anything, I vote for a centralist party, so when a canidate is for compromising and crossing the great divide they won’t fear being rejected by their own party, Democrats and Republicans are guilty of this.

      • Four Elements

        So far, “we” (the great American public) are not up for it on a wide scale, but if enough of us get involved, watch out.

      • notafeminista

        No.

  • Mrs D in Nebraska

    Hey, maybe the Republicans are afraid that Mr. Obama’s jobs plan just might work!  Otherwise, wouldn’t they pass that bill so they can gloat when (if?) it doesn’t work? They don’t want to take that chance.

    • TFRX

      “Keeping millions out of work to put one man out of a job,” goes their bumper sticker.

      • Gregg

        That’s just all around wrong.

    • Gregg

      McConnell tried to add the “jobs bill” as an amendment to another bill because Reid refuses to give it a vote. Reid threw a conniption fit and changed the rules to avoid the amendment. That hasn’t happened since before WWII. It was never intended to “work”, it’s just a vehicle to bash Republicans for killing it. And it’s Reid and the Democrats that won’t vote. It not only won’t work, it won’t pass. It’s all show.

      • Gregg

        This is unbelievable. With all due respect to Mrs. D, the 20+ combined “likes” and what ever is left over for TFRX, you are completely wrong. How does this happen? Look at the actions of the Senate. Harry Reid just pulled the “nuclear option” to avoid voting on the “jobs” bill. The same nuclear option the Republicans threatened to use  when Democrats were wanting to filibuster Federal judges. It is a drastic measure. How is it possible to make the argument that it’s Republicans who are stopping the vote? Who still believes it will create millions of jobs? It’s a boondoggle or there would be the votes. 

  • American #1234

    It’s true there is no one message for “Occupy Wall Street”, but it’s good that everyones feelings have finally made it from the annominity of message boards to real on the steets protest. That is the first step. You have to unite first, and from their listen and develope a unified voice, because that is what democracy should be. Not just, this is what we are for and immediatly draw lines. Hopefully this does grow and accomplishes something….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      they are protesting everything and as you said better than leaving comments on message boards and actually saying it on the streets of America.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    I like Christie he just need to fix New Jersey first before the entire nation. he will run for the Presidency in the near future. Steve Jobs was an innovator not an inventor but he also forgot that his Apple products contributes to pollution. Occupy Protestors only need jobs and to stop the GREED but those people with jobs are getting annoyed of them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    i am 99%. we are 99%

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

      You’re letting another 4% off the hook.    The 95% should be protesting at the 5%.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        You should be sympathetic with rhetoric.  That’s all it is.  Can we really single out any percentage of the population and blame each member of that group?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

          Greg,  Your naivite surpassed my comprehension.

          Like I said, the currently over-looked  additional 4% are temporarily wiping their brows in relief, while their media pals and protest gatekeepers keep the hear off of them for now.

          • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

            Your unsupported blithering surpasses mine.  You did give us that statement, but notice in it that there are no facts.  You make claims and confuse them with the truth.

          • Steve T

            Your unsupported blithering surpasses mine.
            LOL I don’t think anyone can surpass your blithering.

  • Anonymous

    I love that Tom got the most boring idiot to represent corporations. The best thing for job security is growth, which is accomplished by layoffs? Maybe the best thing for an executive’s job security, but not most Americans. Thanks for not letting her get away with that one, Tom. Mmmm hm.

    • GretchenMo

      Only in the public sector is job guaranteed for life, and we get the bill.

      • brian parizek

        do you not appreciate your police or fire protection?  maintenance of roads?  military service for the country?

        • GretchenMo

          I’d appreciate it even more at 20% less cost to start with.

          • JayB

            The county police can no longer patrol the roads out where I live, due to budget cutbacks and attitudes like yours.  You are surely building the society you deserve.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Go DO the job, for 50% less, and others will appreciate it more.  You are obviously rich, so PAY to risk your life, limbs, and sanity!!

  • Brandstad

    Why don’t the media show the anti-Semitic and hate filled rants that are going on at the Wall Street protest?

    • American #1234

      If you have proof please post, because I’m sure there are certain mainstream media outlets that would jump on that in a heartbeat if it was there. Something negative about something good, oh boy! if it hasn’t been exploited yet it probably hasn’t happend.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, you asked and you shall receive.

        It is a video on YouTube

        http://youtu.be/NWwK5TBcoUY

        • Alan from NH

          I watched the video. I don’t think it proves anything but that there are some nuts in Occupy Wall Street with hate filled agendas/opinions…the old Jewish thing. Pretty soon there’ll be some one out there complaining about the Christian babies used in Passover bread. Really, does this guy represent anyone but his poor ignorant self?

        • American #1234

          That’s just silly! They find and interview a random homeless person who was probably there before any protesters ever showed up, the interviewer even asked him if he was laid off and he said no just homeless. Not to talk badly about anyone in that mans situation but have you ever been to New York, I can find a crazy homeless guy on any corner with some random conspiracy theory, which is what that was. Are you a Fox News spy, because that is a stretch….next, please try again!

      • Anonymous

        In case you need more proof… Here is more…

        http://youtu.be/awPLi8qyNGA

    • Anonymous

      More partisan hyperbole from the peanut gallery.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      REALLY!!! there are Jews in the crowd.

    • TFRX

      Never too early to wonder about false flags and Pinkertons going under cover to invent trouble.

      Never too baitless a hoook for you to chomp on.

  • Viva La….

    Stand up for what you believe in bacuse you should and you can, don’t go quietly in the night. When your job is gone, when your health is on decline, when the ones you call friends have lost evrything and there is no one to help, when our world is polluted and your great great grandchildren have no air to breath, then what. Why wait until its to late, we aren’t calling for an end we are calling  for a change. It’s easier to fix a problem while you are up than start to again when you are down.
    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me.
    FIND A VOICE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT THEIRS

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      Bravo.

  • Anonymous

    Dang, some of my comments have gone missing – were they removed by a moderator, or is it an issue with disqus?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      both.

      • Gregg

        It’s better than it used to be.

  • Brandstad

    Every few months we rerun an analysis of how many jobs the US economy has to generate to return to the unemployment rate as of December 2007 when the Great Financial Crisis started, by the end of Obama’s potential second term in November 2016. This calculation takes into account the historical change in Payroll and includes the 90,000/month natural growth to the labor force, and extrapolates into the future. And every time we rerun this calculation, the number of jobs that has to be created to get back to baseline increases: First it was245,500 in April, then 250,000 in June, then 254,000 in July. As of today, following the just announced “beat” of meager NFP expectations, this number has has just risen to an all time high 261,200. This means that unless that number of jobs is created each month for the next 5 years, America will have a higher unemployment rate in October 2016 than it did in December 2007. How realistic is it that the US economy can create 16.2 million jobs in the next 62 months? We leave that answer up to the US electorate.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Thanks for acknowledging that the current Great Financial Crisis started in 2007.  Brought on by policies before that!  The lack of regulations, or lack of regulation enforcement by those whose jobs it was to enforce them.

      • Gregg

        I don’t think anyone doesn’t acknowledge the banking crisis began in 2007. There was another crisis when in Jan. 2007 Democrats took over the reins. This made Barney Frank the chair of the House Financial Services Committee and Chris (Countrywide) Dodd the chair of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee. While Bush and Republicans were sounding the Freddie/Fannie alarm Barney and Chris were swearing everything was cool (with emphasis) and holding up legislation in committee.

        Which regulations are you talking about?

  • Dan Cooper

    1)  Matt Continetti just seems like a bully and beneath this show (I’m a conservative)
    2) Of course some politicians are saying nice things about Occupy Wall Street, it keeps attention off the true failure – government.  Business never claimed to care about anything but the greed of its executives and owners.  Government is supposed to regulate and offset the cycles of this admittedly selfish force.  Business did what we expect of it, government did not.  It is now acting as a lever to amplify the instability of business cycles.  Occupy your capitals, folks.

  • Anonymous

    Matt Continetti is not privy to basic macroeconomics. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    I define 99% to call together for a common purpose. 

    • Anonymous

      What?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

        Is that a question or what?

        • Anonymous

          I was just making sure you were as dumb as your posts make you out to be and you seem to be confirming my previous assumptions. 

          When you aren’t high on something, you should post complete and sensible thoughts.
           

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

            you like the Bad mouth people to make yourself feel better. I won’t go down with your pathetic arrogance. dumb and you so smart in your own world of message boards. Get a life simple definition you can’t understand – to call together for a common purpose that’s my definition of 99% take it or leave it. what is your own definition of 99% if you so smart.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

            by the way. I am Filipino. I marched in the street of Manila to Represents the entire Filipino people in 1986 to overthrow a corrupt government, just like what happen in America during the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. People like me and people who died to make this world a better place to live. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself as American. What did I do for your country to make my fellow Americans to have better lives?

          • Anonymous

            My definition of 99% is the mathematical definition.  

            There is no explanation needed.  The fact is the people who are occupying Wall Street don’t have a common purpose that 99 out of 100 Americans would agree with. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

            Calling people high and dumb are your expression of sensible Thoughts? BS!!!! you are making a FOOL out of yourself.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    Macro or Micro economics are no longer the 21st century economics it is now called Political Economics.

    • Anonymous

      Please take a micro or a macro econ course before you try talking about econ.  Politics does not affect economics.

      • Steve T

        What world do you live in?

  • Anonymous

    The “Occupy Wall Street” people call themselves the “99%-ers”, claiming to represent virtually all Americans except the super-rich. A new group called the 53% is rising up and telling the Wall Street crew,  “You don’t represent us.” Meet the 53%-ers 

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-53-want-the-99-to-learn-from-their-example/

    I am proudly a member of the 53%-ers taht is not represented by the so called “99%-ers”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      99% is about us and the 1% is the rich. i think

      Even investigative journalist doesn’t know what 99% means. I know the $20.00 minimum wage gossip.

      • Anonymous

        Who gave you the right to claim to represent me? 

        I don’t know anyone that agrees with your objectives.  From what I can tell you are the 1%!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        You’re letting the other 4% off easy.   The very rich comprises more like 5% of the population.

    • TFRX

      Please, more links to Glenn Beck. You’re making the case so well.

      And if you think everyone who pays Fed Inc Tax, is in the same boat, that none of them want to destroy you with imbalanced power, you’re too dumb to pitch to.

      • Gregg

        “Please, more links to Glenn Beck. You’re making the case so well.”

        I agree, gotta love Beck!

        • Shady Grady

          Got to love ignoring Glenn Beck?

          I completely agree.

          • Gregg

            TFRX says he wants more.

            Is that you Mr. Howard?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            We can only ignore extremists with microphones at our PERIL!

          • Gregg

            Funny, that’s what Beck says.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Even ‘W’ slipped the truth in, a few times!

        • TFRX

          For the incredibly obtuse, I guess I have to put on the Pythonesque “moose antlers”. Either that or explain to some what sarcasm is.

          • Gregg

            You weren’t serious? That was sarcasm? Really?

    • Hidan

      Another crap site,

      I’ll use a line Cain said

      “if you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself.”

      So all those (sic) 53%ers are losers if we are to believe Herman Cain

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/ct-oped-1007-quotable-20111007,0,2772036.story

      • Gregg

        The 53% have jobs (most more than one) and are not blaming wall street. That’s not who Cain was talking about. I thought he was dead on when he said it.

  • GretchenMo

    Now we know what it’s all about.

    http://youtu.be/awPLi8qyNGA

    • ArnoldWalker

      who’s funding this astroturf? soros?

      • Terry Tree Tree

        If it’s NOT about allowing pollution and corporate Imminent Domain Rights, the Koch brothers are not funding it. They revere Stallin’s methods too much.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    Have a nice weekend everyone too much arrogance on this message board especially to those people who never really marched on the streets of America to protest against corruption, war, poverty and greed.  I did and I have my Claim to Fame. adios

    • Zing

      Don’t let the door hit ya….

      • Steve T

        No it should hit you!

  • Dave in CT

    Real Tea Party and Occupy Wall St non-communists unite?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7HGqgAaKqM&feature=youtu.be

    • Dave in CT
      • Dave in CT

        But IMO it has to happen without Obama and the dogmatic Dems, as much as without the establishment GOP or Tea-O-Cons.

        Obama and his diehard hope brigade need an accountability spanking for the Obama-Summers-Geithner White House affront to thinking Americans following the great heist.

        There should be no problem coming up with a limited government progressive viewpoint, that views the concentrated power system in DC as more of the problem (power corrupts) than the solution, and the grass roots Tea Partiers and pro-market Progressives could rally behind.

        Can you imaging such a movement taking over for 2012??

    • ArnoldWalker

      I think we’ve estabilshed that these protestors are a bunch of racist, anti-semites; cold weather will quiet this whining rabble.

      • TFRX

        What’s the weather like in your own little world?

  • notafeminista

    Lots of comments about the 99 per-center’ here…lots of comments about greedy folks, income disparity and so on. 
    1)How is it not greedy (and arrogant) to demand to know whether or not someone else needs and deserves whatever salary he/she makes?
    2)Who on this board currently employed does not get their full paycheck?  (yes Terry we know you are a volunteer fireman but that ain’t how you feed your kids)
    3)What exactly do you think a CEO does?  Any CEO  whether for Goldman Sachs, Apple, or Levi Strauss?

    • AC

      Interesting. I sort of have a stupid and simple analogy -
      i think the problem is historical; no one really cares about any of what you mention until they start going hungry while others are fat. we’re only civilized until then – then we’re animals and we have to fight for territory and dinner.
      Eh? I’m trying to figure what it’s all about & that’s the first immediate thought i had to your post, not very deep though….

      • notafeminista

        Not deep?  Maybe.  Disturbing?  I think so, if the implication is that the Wall Street occupiers (so-called) [Irony alert - I would bet a good percentage of the Wall Street occupiers were carrying on a few years ago about the US occupying Iraq.  Guess not many stand on priniciple] are the hungry ones – does that mean it is acceptable to resort to animal behavior to achieve goals?

        • AC

          hunger is it’s own animal – and people are hungry. I’m sorry I can’t cite where I read this but I believe the trend is soup/church charity dinners are on the rise. I don’t know if you should be so quick to lessen the possibilities of these particular set of protesters though – I’ll paste what Greg made me think a bit ago::

          I think the best way to try and think about this movement abstractly is to consider – nature hates singularities; there are multiple variables of compounds before a chain of reaction begins.There are multiple variables to consider how we fell into the position we currently find ourselves in, you can’t just find that singular one to blame, the relationships are too…symbiotic…or am I being naive? could be. I have no pride (well, I’m trying to have no pride), so feel free to let me know I’m being ridiculous…In any case, that is how I view it. Of course some of the kooks & even worse, self righteous, have chimed in. But what will come of the stronger bonds created that will form something new? I’m interested to know…

          • notafeminista

            I don’t think it’s ridiculous at all – I think the Wall St. occupiers don’t consider any of the variables that led to their current position as being internal (IE the choices they made) …all their variables for their current position they think only came from Wall St.

          • AC

            still – probably not a good idea to tell them ‘eat cake’. i don’t think that’s gone over too well in the past…..

          • notafeminista

            Guess standing on principle isn’t a big deal.

          • AC

            it does seem that way sometimes & def. not against the animal of hunger…..i know a lot of people my age in that group that just want a decent job and security. I’m lucky, but I try not to rub it in. you might be able to feed the beast with just that…..

          • notafeminista

            With all due respect,  this is how they apply themselves?  Everyone wants a decent job and security (Mr. Maslow calling) unfortunately there is not one blessed thing in this world that will guarantee either.

          • AC

            you’re right – nothing can guaruntee that, i’m afraid it might get even worse. But, like the ‘tea party’ unhappiness, they’re raising their voice. These things are historically cyclical. I don’t know the ‘why’….

          • notafeminista

            No, the tea partiers are raising/did raise their voices as well.  Sadly it’s much for fashionable to be poor.

          • notafeminista

            “more” not for…dang.

          • AC

            holy smokies! ask & you shall receive!! sort of. Since I am lucky enough to be working all weekend (not complaining in this economy), i’ve had the radio on and there is a show on Sat night, called “Tavis Smiley’ – anyway, they can be a source back up for my belief in the hunger trends. The show was about the census data showing 46 million people living at poverty & discusses rising food pantry usage (esp for kids and seniors). sheesh. I had no idea it was THAT bad – that’s a lot of hungry people…..

          • Terry Tree Tree

            There’s MORE, AC, that the GREEDY rich refuse to see!!  Many have given up, and try to stay on drugs, to forget life.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            What principle?

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Some of them surely blame themselves for voting for, and backing ‘The Decider’, that took over 15 minutes to do something when told that the nation is under attack, the one that promised to make us safer, when 9/11 happened on his watch, the one that promised to make the Budget Surplus that he took over LARGER.  I’m sure some of them blame themselves for believing in this hypocrite, or worse!

    • Terry Tree Tree

      You are right that Volunteer Fire-Fighting and Volunteer Rescue Squad work doesn’t feed the kids here, it COSTS me money, time, injuries, and maybe my life!  The CEOs of the local companies, and the $Millionaires, do LITTLE, for their own protection, so it COSTS me and the other Volunteers FAR MORE!  Most of them even claim to be Christians!  Corporate Responsibility?   Most executives would slit their own child’s throat for MORE! 

  • Zing

    OP staff…thanks again for giving under-achievers and other assorted dupes another chance to rail at others for their own failures. 

    I think the occupiers are kind of cute, actually, and will miss their antics when it finally gets cold and rainy in New York.  

    On the other hand, I’m hoping for the occupiers to get out of hand and give NYPD some serious stick time.  It’s better than a cup of Starbucks. 

    • nj

      A post from the least aptly coined handle fails to achieve even the low standard of its previous posting history.

      Many uncivil descriptors come to mind.

    • Anonymous

      Intolerance and ignorance are not virtues one should broadcast.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        SO TRUE!

  • Anonymous

    You know Obama isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack when his own proposal  “Millionaire Tax” Collected Over Next Ten Years Will Plug 4 Months Worth Of Deficit!  What a waste

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/obamas-millionaire-tax-collected-over-next-ten-years-will-plug-4-months-worth-deficit

    • Hidan

      plug 4 months worth of deficit? way better not to plug anything at all right?

      • Hidan

        “we”

    • Hidan

      Also from Brandstad clearly crap site,

      “We can’t recall ever having spoken a kind word about Barack Obama, nor
      do we even imagine him capable of saying or doing something that might
      bring us around.”

  • Hidan

    Romney once again panders,

    Romney Calls For A Bigger, Stronger Military

    http://www.npr.org/2011/10/07/141158063/romney-calls-for-a-bigger-stronger-military

    Romney said he wants to increase the military budget, mentioning
    specific projects from naval shipbuilding to a missile defense system.
    It’s a traditional Republican view of defense that was music to this
    crowd’s ears.

    • ArnoldWalker

      Pandering, how unlike a politician.  i always enjoy when Obama brings on his I’m one of you accent; more soulful

  • Roy Mac

    Tom Ashbrook–

    Please don’t have Matt Continetti as a panelist.  He is clearly a Young Republican shill for whatever crackpot right-wing is au courant.  His cred is that he graduated from Columbia with a journalism degree, yet he is free to comment on all manner of subjects that are far beyond his comprehension, let alone his education or experience.

    You denigrate the integrity of your broadcast each time you deign to even allow him to comment over the airways.

    • ArnoldWalker

      and yet you can’t site any errors he made

      • Roy Mac

        Are you Tom Ashbrook?  If you aren’t, butt out.

        I didn’t say Continetti made errors.

    • http://twitter.com/valeriemckay Valerie McKay

      Agreed. Just logged onto the website after listening to the podcast. He was rude and angry, rather than thoughtful and articulate. For proof of his errors/inaccuracies, read his book The Persecution of Sarah Palin: How the Elite Media Tried to Bring Down a Rising Star. The bigger problem is with who we have to represent the right today. I would welcome a conservative commentator that isn’t part of the (lunatic) fringe. 

  • globalization

    GLOBALIZATION Part I
    I can not believe that every one on radio or tv seem to be perplexed by the fact why jobs are not coming and stimulus is not working. These confused people seem to include even fed chairman.Did everyone say that jobs are going overseas? how can you NOT figure that out.
     There is a very high likelihood the this has a lot to do with globalization, where is the prosperity Clinton promised when he pushed free trade. The so called globalization in its current form for sure has the equalizing effect which means…..
    US has such large trade deficit for so long it has long passed the critical point. It has AMPLIFYING effects on other problems. It is ridiculous to argue for a balanced budget without somewhat balanced trade unless the goal is to make people live like third world.
    I think free trade is actually good as long as they are actually “TRADE”.
    I understand that certain types of jobs need to go, but saying simply US can compete with anyone is super stupid(if you can not realize this by simply looking at the trade deficit and job problems then you r truly stupid -sorry to use that word).
    if you have some sense of math, think time and scale as two of the many parameters of the economic model, when they are small the may not matter, but…

    also think the labor market as a pyramid (few on top), if u remove the bottom jobs (now even the mid level jobs are leaving), then the effect is more likely that the whole pyramid drops down and become narrower (narrower means people on the top may benefit from this).

    • RightIsRight

      It may take a few generations for the benefits of globalization to be realized here in the US but there’s one thing we can count on is the wisdom of the market to bring back prosperity to the home of capitalism. Until then we don’t deserve the benefits of the greatest economic system yet devised.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Fraudulent Credit Default Swaps
        Robo-signing Mortgage banksters foreclosing on the wrong people.
        CEOs getting BONUSES for bankrupting their companies.
        A multitude of other frauds and other crimes.

        “The greatest economic system yet devised” ??

        • RightIsRight

          Caveat emptor. Who is at fault in such fraud? Those who attempt it or those who though lack of due diligence fail to understand the risk? 

          • nj

            ^ Another dispatch from a misappropriated handle: blaming the victims.

          • DiligenceThis

            You mean, who is at fault …like Moody’s, AIG, Private Bankers, The Fed, and Fannie Mae? 

            The invented, rated, inusred, packaged, backed and marketed the derivatives that caused this ‘great contraction’.

            The rest of us, ‘poor suckers’ are just picking up after their historical maleficence.  They had no risk.  We were the ‘fail safe’.

            Your logic is so far up your rhetoric you can’t see the weakness of your critique.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            You DEFEND THE THIEVES???   Your true colors!!

      • AC

        Granted, I was only forced to take ‘economics 101′ and ‘economics for engineers’, I came away with very little except that ‘Economics’ is a difficult science – because in the end – it is SUBJECTIVE. Until all the people are happy all of the time with all the given circumstances, there can be no true ‘economic model’, there will always be ‘the few’, or ‘the most’ defining it – but the all?. Maybe in another 10,000 yrs when we’ve evolved mentally a bit more….

  • globalization

    GLOBALIZATION Part II

    what is even more foolish (it seems to me at least) that some (pea brained) people would argue the impose import tariff for countries that have large trade deficits with US. If you can see things from such small angle than you should shut up.
    1. You seem to argue for the benefits of other countries.
    2. you declare defeats before war starts
    3. if some protection is not good why is every other country is doing it.
    4. why do you assume the result of trade war is less trade, why can’t you make it more trade and balanced?
    5. why you only look at the few benefits of current ways of doing thing while ignoring the iceberg  of problems?
    6. when other countries are condemning protectionism, can you think “thieves cry foul”, just look at the trade deficit and how open they are. 

    If you really think about it this trade deficit has super amplifying effects on budget deficit, I’ll list few and if you are smart you can figure few more.
    1. you need to pay or create pseudo jobs for those who lost jobs. if you have brain you should understand this. the fundamental effect of this is that people who lost work due to imbalance of trade would collectively borrow the money back from other countries through gov (by means of benefits or pseudo jobs).
    2. stimulus is not even working so you need spend more.
    3. you need to figure more ways to borrow.

    To be continued..

  • globalization

    GLOBALIZATION Part III

    A new globalization framework maybe needed so that everyone really gets better not simply equalizing them.

    Of cause the trade deficit is NOT the only problems of the current woes. But it may be one of the root problems which means solving it you may not solve the job problems, but not solving it means problem won’t go away.

    BTW, I think not trade deficits are the same. remember the equalizing effect, trade deficits between similar labor cost countries are not as dangerous in terms of equalizing.

    I could be wrong on this, but since people seem to have problem figuring out the problem, it is not going to hurt to at least think about the possibilities.

    I am not against trade, more trade is better as long as they are “trading”.

    It is also bad to think this is the ONLY problem.

  • TakeABite

    I’ve got the answer:

    Make a bunch a cool looking stuff for nothing and sell it for huge profits.

    Don’t worry, be happy.  Not everyone can be a billionaire.

    Don’t be a megalomaniac like me, it shortens your life.

    Only sell yourself to the devil (gates) if absolutely necessary.

    If I had to do it all over again, I’d rather live 25 more years while being financially average.

    Power is over rated when your six feet under.

    Money means not so much.

    Thanks for buying the myth.

     - Steve Jobs

     

  • ArnoldWalker

    Unions join the protestors: brotherhood of the lazy and ignorant, missed the reality bus.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      ???

  • RightIsRight

     
    Class warfare again raises its ugly head in the Democrat Party. We can’t let the poor or the jealous make fiscal policy in America. We know what they’ll do: raid the Treasury. Like it or not, when was the last time you got a job from a poor man? Like it or not we need the rich lubricate the machinery of capitalism. Those that get ground up by that machine have no one to blame but themselves. Stop blaming Wall Street or globalization for your inadequacies and moral failures. The economy can’t wait for you to get your act together.
     
     
    Yes, the economy’s at a standstill yet the rich have found a way to prosper even if you haven’t. We need to learn for their success not punish it. And the path to their success is clear: when you demand too much for your work, they can invest in jobs elsewhere. Are they supposed to care about you, your family, or your mortgage? Take some goddamn responsibility. You didn’t have to have children or buy a home. What do you think? It’s NOT THE 1950′s ANYMORE.
     
     
    It’s time to stop playing socialist games and learn the real lesson the market offers us: that taxes on the rich hurt us all. Our lack of understanding how the economy works and our lack of gratitude for our jobs undermines us all. Like it or not it’s time to eliminate ALL taxes on those making more than at least $10 million a year. It may seem unfair at first, but just wait for the prosperity to flow. Just remember that after the full implementation of the Bush tax cuts in 2003, the economy expanded for over 50 months and the revenue poured in. It’s scandalous that the Democrats ruined it all. Look at us now.

    • Tim E

      If you’re fine with the practice of getting rich by defrauding hard working people through credit default swaps, securitized mortgages, and marginalizing the few in government and the finance industry who had the ethical fortitude to raise alarms about it, then I’m happy to oppose your opinion.  Unregulated, systemic overleveraging by the banking industry caused a bubble whose bursting caused a recession that devalued the property and savings of millions of people.  Please tell me you’re not okay with that.

      • RightIsRight

        Everyone wants their defined benefit pensions, 401ks and other investments to predictably grow yet where do you think the money will come from now that globalization is freeing us of our primitive industrial economy which once generated that wealth. This is the 21st century and the beauty of the new economy is that we can free ourselves of those high wages and regulations here at home that ate into wealth creation and have it all by feeding off the rest of the world’s efforts. The best minds now have devised ways to create wealth from the flow of money itself. Do you even appreciated the beauty of any of this? Yes there will be a few hiccups and it might take a few generations for us all to become stockholders in globalization so we all can benefit. But imagine a future where we can all live off our investments. This is what unfettered capitalism offers and I intend this to be my future. Don’t mess it up for all of us, my friend, by hanging on to the failed relics of the past. Embrace it!   

        • Anonymous

          Oh boy. To bad everything you are saying is not working out so well.
          The reality is that people are just not needed anymore as they were in the industrial age. They are being thrown onto the scrap heap.
          You sound like one of those entitled types who think your ideology is what works. Unfortunately for you history has a way of stepping on the toes of folks like yourself. We live in a post-industrial world and the reality is a huge portion of the working population is just not needed anymore. One day it’s going to be you. Your wealth can be taken from you in a heart beat. You are not protected. You can also fall victim to the poor you are demonizing. They just might become angry enough to go after the likes of you. You could end up with your head on a pike. There were plenty of French aristocrats in the 18th century who had similar sounding sentiments to yours. They lost their heads.

          • RightIsRight

            You’re correct Jeffe, we really don’t need all the workers we once did. But capitalism won’t leave them behind. Globalization has freed the average US worker from the industrial drudgery of 20th century jobs. While things are tough now as we go through a transition phase, these workers need to be brought into the capitalist class of owners. As stockholders of overseas production facilities where people work for less, their labor will feather our nest as will the Quants in Wall Street who aren’t going to stumble next time as they might have in the derivative market. If during the transition of the next 25 years or so we play our cards right, there’s no reason why we all can’t sit by the pool and wait for the dividend checks to roll in. This is the true American Dream! Have faith Jeffe!

          • nj

            What a vile load of crap.

          • Steve T

            Agreed!!!

          • RightIsRight

            Please forgive me, I responded above to the wrong person.
            Vile? Crap? I beg to differ NJ. Capitalism by its nature is moral in the opportunities it offers even if outcomes seem unfair. That is in the nature of voluntary working or trading agreements. But capitalism is evolving. Right now our system is rather primitive and wealth is flowing to the top. This is fine for now and these job creators need some additional concessions to push the system into the 21st century. And this is why I favor no taxes on what some consider the ultra-rich. But we must remember that even under primitive capitalism wealth flows to the top only because the Prols aren’t shareholders.

            The world economy is a ripe apple ready to be picked and we must be the ones to grab it. We must focus capitalism to meet what some consider nationalistic goals: to benefit Americans and the expense of other nations. This is the opportunity now at hand: to exploit globalization to insure American’s come out on top. But to benefit, the Prols will have to invest in the system and become capitalists themselves. At that point the wealth concentration capitalism offers will be distributed in proportion to one’s investment in the system. Please don’t make this sound immoral. Survival (aka prosperity) of the fittest and most clever, is simply a rule of nature. Embrace it! It will serve you well. Reject it and you’ll end up on the streets not knowing what hit you.  

          • Gregg

            “Please forgive me, I responded above to the wrong person.”

            They’re interchangeable.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            PROVE they have created MORE jobs than the tax-cuts they received!   Otherwise, you’re repeating crap!

          • Terry Tree Tree

            Be BOLD, and go preach this to those homeless that lost their jobs, their homes, their families, and their savings to your type!

        • Tim E

          No, I do not appreciate the so-called beauty of parasitism, whether the parasites be at the bottom or the top.  My appreciation is for a system that rewards work and protects the wealth it generates from unscrupulous scoundrels who scheme to syphon wealth from others through systemic fraud.  Call that a relic, but look out for how contemporary is my impulse is to protect my assets from those who are positioned and willing to take advantage of me and millions like me.  The metaphorical boot that they get squarely up their arse in the streets and at the polls is my market reaction to their malfeasance.  Defend them if you like, but I stand in solidarity with the collective effort to put a stop to their abuses.

          • RightIsRight

            If BossA is willing to hire someone for X dollars and WorkerB is willing to work for X, then this is a mutually agreed upon relationship. Who’s being parasitic? Where’s the fraud?

          • Tim E

            I recommend that you read a book about the cause of the financial crisis and inform yourself.  You seem to be stuck on rhetoric that has nothing to do with it.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          NICE FANTASY!!!  It ONLY works if you are already rich, don’t get an expensive disease, or other health condition, are lucky enough to ALWAYS invest in money-makers, can avoid the scam-artists, hackers, don’t get into any relationship with anyone, the people that you are taking advantage of remain ignorant,, and a LOT of other required factors.   May I never have to endure you in person.

    • JustSayin

      A proud conservative lickspittle.

    • Anonymous

      Class warfare? Did you ever get a job from a poor person? Where did you steal this from, Limbaugh.
       

      • Gregg

        It’s a good question. 

        • notafeminista

          And one that never gets answered.

        • RightIsRight

          I should rephrase that, no one ever got a job from someone who didn’t already have good sales or a good line of credit hoping for good sales.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Those 29 Massacre (Massey) Energy miners, the 12 oil-platform workers on the BP well, thank their employers, I’m sure!  Kill people through dangerous decisions, and get a raise!  Your idols?  Your ideals?

      • RightIsRight

        No one said in the new economy no one would get their hair muffed! Sad but true, accidents happen. Life 101. I’m sure the widows and children will be well compensated. Compare that to life of a worker a century ago.   

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Obviously, you have never lost a loved one to GREEDY policies that ignore safety, and regulations that protect all.

          “Sad but true, accidents happen.” ??  That’s your deep concern??

          If that is Right, I’ll take the Left, as I still have a heart, compassion, and a sense of what is RIGHT!!

          • RightIsRight

            As I said, compare this situation to life a century ago. Now tell me capitalism doesn’t have a heart.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            The life a century ago was improved by unions and public outrage at massacres like the American Shirtwaist Company disaster,  NOT by the soft hearts of Capitalists like Massey execs!!

          • RightIsRight

            States charter companies and define their fiduciary responsibilities. So if you believe Massey is a renegade corporation, whose fault is that?

    • Anonymous

      Just remember that after the full implementation of the Bush tax cuts in
      2003, the economy expanded for over 50 months and the revenue poured
      in.

      This is a total lie. I’m not sure where you picked up this information but the Bush years had the lowest growth of any post WWII expansion. And excerpt from the linked article below:
      The non-partisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities reports,
      based upon data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, employment growth
      was particularly weak, “with employment and wage and salary growth …
      lower than in any previous post-World War II expansion. Employment grew
      at an average annual rate of only 0.9 percent from November 2001 to
      September 2007, as compared with an average of 2.5 percent for the
      comparable periods of other post-World War II expansions.
      Read more: http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/maximum-utility/the-bush-tax-cuts-and-economic-growth/1024/#ixzz1aDbeLTpn

      • RightIsRight

        Sorry Jeffe. It’s not a lie. The economy as measured by growth in GDP grew during that time. If it was not as robust as you wished is another matter. Globalization still has some kinks to iron out as nations push and shove each other around, and ultimately fall into their new roles as dictated by the free flow of capital. And this is my point. If we play our cards right over the next 25 years or so the US will become the indispensible profit capital of the planet and we need to let the ordinary citizen buy into the American Dream; to let the dirty work be done in the cheap labor nations while we skim off the profit off the top. Someone asked about the conservative nirvana. This is it and it’s coming. Best to buy in now before the prols around you bid up stock prices beyond reach!   

        • Anonymous

          You are posting nothing but lies. The growth of GDP was lower in the Bush years than the previous Clinton administration. That said, you posted the fabricated info on the Bush tax cuts and then you do what the right always does, you change the subject because you can’t answer the question. Everything you post here can be taken apart by facts. Your vision of America is a disgusting one. One where there is nothing but a small wealthy class and a huge percentage of working classes and the poor. This will lead to civil unrest or worse. You have no solutions, only old warped right wing ideology dressed up in new clothes.

          • RightIsRight

            Vile? Crap? I beg to differ Jeffe. Capitalism by its nature is moral in the opportunities it offers even if outcomes seem unfair. That is in the nature of voluntary working or trading agreements. But capitalism is evolving. Right now our system is rather primitive and wealth is flowing to the top. This is fine for now and these job creators need some additional concessions to push the system into the 21st century. And this is why I favor no taxes on what some consider the ultra-rich. But we must remember that even under primitive capitalism wealth flows to the top only because the Prols aren’t shareholders.

            The world economy is a ripe apple ready to be picked and we must be the ones to grab it. We must focus capitalism to meet what some consider nationalistic goals: to benefit Americans and the expense of other nations. This is the opportunity now at hand: to exploit globalization to insure American’s come out on top. But to benefit, the Prols will have to invest in the system and become capitalists themselves. At that point the wealth concentration capitalism offers will be distributed in proportion to one’s investment in the system. Please don’t make this sound immoral. Survival (aka prosperity) of the fittest and most clever, is simply a rule of nature. Embrace it! It will serve you well. Reject it and you’ll end up on the streets not knowing what hit you.  

          • Gregg

            Some people make things happen, some watch things happen and others ask: “What the hell just happened?”.

  • http://www.iasknet.org-a.googlepages.com/IASK-home.html Dr. Cherpas

    The excessively wealthy should invest in a program on the scale of the 1960s Apollo program that put twelve astronauts on the moon.  But this time, we should put, say, twelve “autonauts” into wearable computer systems which allow each user to conduct life-long research programs to know and manage themselves.  What does that mean?  It means democracy and social justice will not advance without a full-scale scientific and technological advance in self-knowledge.  The excessively wealthy would be the users of the first prototype “self systems.”  The long-term vision is a “self-knowledge revolution” in which every individual would be regarded as important enough to have, as a birthright, the technology to live a self-knowledgeable lifestyle.

    This no doubt sounds, as my parents would have called, “way out.”  However, as an experimental psychologist and software engineer who has spent a career in artificial intelligence, I can see the feasiblity of using technology to make a huge increase in the human ability to know and manage themselves.  You’ve heard of the Quantified Self movement, as well as the Singularity Institute, but consider putting their missions together.  I have been written extensively about this vision for over 30 years and won’t try to provide all the arguments here.

    • Gregg

      Interesting but “social justice” should not be a goal, it’s evil.

      • RightIsRight

        I thought you might understand Gregg but you don’t. The market will create social justice. Have faith brother!

        • Gregg

          “Social justice” is another of those meaningless phrases like “fair share” that sounds good but has a nasty agenda. I’m all for letting the market work but redistribution of wealth or reparations for blacks is what the term now intends.

          I understand.

        • Fredlinskip

           SO.. it’s clear you care only for thosemost responsible for pretty much destroying American economy.
              It takes courage to support the many instead of the few.
             But it’s healthier to support the winners, so more power to you.
              A country where top 5% controls 90% of it’s resources is not a democracy.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        ‘Social Justice’, like abolishing child-labor?  Like giving women the right to vote?  Getting equal pay for equal work?  Preventing companies from polluting your air or water?  Ending slavery?  The right of each individual to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? 

        Which of these ‘Social Justices’, is Evil?

        • Gregg

          We already did all that. “Social justice” now means something entirely different.

          • Anonymous

            I beg to differ, it does not mean something else now. Social Justice still means “Social Justice”.

             

          • Gregg

            The word “Justice” has a few meanings if you look it up in any dictionary. Certainly morals and righteous actions are a valid interpretation. But it also means the administration of punishment or reward for actions taken. Semantics. In my view the phrase morphed the word “Social” with the latter interpretation of “justice”. It was focus group tested and fed to the masses just like “fair share”. 

            Many are eager to accept it’s “get even” time and the hate is being fomented. Just look around. They get a free pass if they hide behind “Social Justice” as they defecate in the streets.

          • Anonymous

            You’re doing a few things here that are not on.
            One is you are using the very same semantics to degrade a whole segment of the folks who are protesting. Then you play word games with idea of Social Justice as if it means nothing anymore. Then you play around with the dictionary. All good fun, but it’s nothing more than a distraction to the point I was making.

            The “get even” you are alluding to is to be expected when people feel disfranchised from society. The extreme of this were the French and Russian Revolutions. Funny how you supported the tea party agenda which is also about getting even and using hate and anger to “get their country back”. Talk about semantics and using selective language to support ones own ideology.

            You don’t have to like the word social justice, however it does have historical meaning and weight. You can try to degrade it’s meaning with word games all you want, in the end it is part of our history.
            Look it up.

          • Gregg

            I don’t agree the Tea Party has getting even as a part of their agenda. Occupy Wall Street is all about it. I also don’t believe “social justice… means nothing anymore”. I thought I was pretty clear on that. So skip the semantics, what do you want?

          • Gregg

            “The “get even” you are alluding to is to be expected when people feel disfranchised from society.”

            That’s my point, they are being manipulated to “feel” that way. They are blaming the rich. The apparatus that is fueling these protests fully “expect” it to have an affect. Self-pity and envy are not solutions.

          • Fredlinskip

            Courage to research, understand, and speak the truth don’t seem to be your strong points, so I can understand the difficulty you have  understanding the protesters.

          • Gregg

            Why the hate Fredlinskip? 

          • RightIsRight

            These kids blame Wall Street’s Masters of the Universe for crashing the economy. There might be a few bad apples on Wall Street but no one had to buy questionable products. There will always be some kinks on the road to prefecting markets. So there’s a crash every 70 years or so. These kids don’t understand that being collateral damage in this greater effort is a small price to pay for the eventual outcome.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            ???

          • Gregg
          • RightIsRight

            Why are you hiding the URL my friend. Be PROUD that the Right wing press is bringing attention to the mob on Wall Street.

          • Gregg

            I’ve never heard the British press referred to as “right wing” but I am happy someone (overseas) is reporting.

          • Fredlinskip

            To quote AC:
             “Sometimes they say the darnedest things”

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Since the GREEDY wealthy are not reviewing their lives now, and changing their ways for the better, what makes you think they will take the time to view and listen to their day again, and change?

      • http://profiles.google.com/avon.st.cyr Phillip Avon St. Cyr

        Too much of a generalization, Terry Tree Tree (cool name, though). That’s what gets our side into trouble: We lower ourselves to the same level of outrageous exaggeration as the other side.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          The GREEDY wealthy are NOT all wealthy, therefore not a generalization.  GREEDY people are consumed with acquiring MORE for themselves, regardless of the costs to others.  Most of the money that they part with, is to make their accumulations larger, in one way or the other.
               Glad you think the screen name is cool.  If anyone guesses the origin, I’ll confirm.   Hint;  It is NOT due to ecology, although I DO support it.

        • Gregg

          I agree wholeheartedly about generalizations. So often we are just blathering on the surface. It would be much better if we could agree on a basic foundation and hone the disagreement down to a few debatable issues.

          Regarding Mr. Tree’s comment for instance, is it too much to expect agreement that: 1) All the wealthy are not greedy, 2) All the greedy are not wealthy, 3) We have no idea what is in their hearts or how introspective they are? Can we give no love to the wealthy who do good things for society? None at all?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brennan-Moriarty/100000655771831 Brennan Moriarty

      Dr. Cherpas, that’s awsome! however concider the self-knowledge as an ideal “positioning system”, that’s where Psychology is the numerator and sociology is the denominator [positioning_where... they speak your language and normal spirit], the smaller the denominator is or is managed, the larger the numerator or the psychy gets [big mind!, not a-big-head] & the heart of the equation is Identity over location and simply a good start for young americans to lead responsibility and trust. [p.s. I’d like to collaborate with you on {long term studies} formulating the software, I truely have the keys{A.N.N.N.Y.T.} to unlock the fiction within reality.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brennan-Moriarty/100000655771831 Brennan Moriarty

    I think we need to connect the technology to the spirit, dive the the golden spike in the nutrino rich gas pipes of sociology. the stars have already crossed, the time is niegh, twill twill be^ath frosty in der nutty woods. no the City! with an escape capsule, a pilar ‘gainst the sea, land, land… where aint thy deeper balance?

    • Terry Tree Tree

      ?????  Did you think you understand what you wrote?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1123952002 Chris Cherpas

    I noticed a problem bringing up my website via google (which was linked to my previous two comments), so I switched to my facebook page.  Sorry for the meta-chatter.

  • ripped-off tax payer

    President Obama says he sympathizes with the Wall Street protestors.

    So does that mean Obama is going to stop taking those big fat checks from the same Wall Street banks that bank-rolled his 2008 campaign?

    • http://profiles.google.com/avon.st.cyr Phillip Avon St. Cyr

      No, it simply means — and I do wish folks would deepen their considerations of such issues to recognize that they are complex — that Obama and every other politicians out there who doesn’t have the deep family pockets of, say, John Hunstman or Michael Bloomberg will KEEP taking Wall Streets money as the ONLY WAY to get into a position to bring about change.

      Please remember, ripped-off, that until WE elect a Congress populated by enough legislators who will support campaign finance reform, we are stuck with this system — and so is OBAMA! Don’t blame him for doing what it takes to TRY. Blame yourself and me and everyone else who fails to elect people into that branch of the government that can change laws. 

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Who’s national campaign has the banksters NOT bank-rolled, at least to some extent?  Did they win?
          Most of the time, the banksters and oilgliarchs contribute to BOTH major parties, as a way of hedging their bets. 
          Banksters and oilgliarchs contribute to the party of ‘NO’ government, far more.

    • Alan in NH

      Was Obama the only candidate bank-rolled? I thought Wall Street always hedged its bets, playing all sides of the street? I think as long as Wall Street can legally do so, it will buy whomever it wants to.

  • StraightShooter

    Have you folks been noticing how a multiplicity of nit-wits have been offering up a plethora of inane pablum here, lately?

    They are growing like fungus or parasites.  

    These imbeciles are trying to sidetrack the critical thinking skills and well meaning, reasonable comments on this site with bogus, easily refutable ‘opinions’ which use drive-by shooting tactics to fluff up their fallacies and false agenda.

    These paltry people trivialize important facts and pervert logical rhetoric.

    Now, they have even taken to assuming multiple monikers in attempt to overwhelm and divert discourse on this site.

    Watch out for these mercenaries, the are merciless.

    Stay well.  Stay smart.  Stay vigilant.

    • AC

      but I thought all epistemology was unable to escape ‘opinion’. How am I supposed to question myself if I don’t listen to everyone? Including nincompoops? Sometimes they’ll say the darndest things…..

      • TakeAPill

        Just listen to yourself and make up your own mind, if you can

      • Gregg

        That was a great reply… and it made a whole lot more sense after I looked up “epistemology” and learned it had nothing to do with child birth. Seriously, you nailed it.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          Good one!

        • AC

          haha! dork!!

          • Gregg

            Ouch! Still liked your reply.

            You seem to be a nice person, have you noticed how often it gets personal around here? So much of it comes from an elitist view that dictates other views are not worth consideration. Once one starts believing they can disagree before consideration they have stopped expanding. Aside from learning a new word (thank you), that’s what I got from your reply.

          • AC

            i have to be nice – i don’t have any usable answers to all the ills in the world….but i swear; if I were queen of the universe, things would be better…;)

          • Gregg

            No one has “usable answers to all the ills in the world”. I find those who think they do the meanest.

      • Terry Tree Tree

        Considering each major position is the only way to make an informed decision of your opinion.  You can choose which is the truth, at least for you.
            I didn’t look up epistemology, figured it by context. 
            Gregg’s reply is a crack-up!

    • nj

      Lately?

  • Gregg

    While taxpayer money is being thrown down the “green energy” rat hole, Obama’s new EPA regulations will shut down 28 gigawatts of power. That’ll help.

    http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/10/07/ier-identifies-coal-fired-power-plants-likely-to-close-as-result-of-epa-regulations/

    • nj

      There’s Greggg again, shilling the corporate line. A “study” by IER that overstates likely plant closings by an order of magnitude or two over other estimates.

      The same IER that supports climate change denialism, thinks that fossil fuels are virtually unlimited, and whose president used to by the head PR hack for ENRON.

      • Gregg

        We need more energy not less. Sorry you don’t see that.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          There is MORE energy in the sun, and the energy it sends to Earth, than in the fossil fuels and uranium that is reasonably available!

          • RightIsRight

            And there’s more energy in matter itself than in the sun. We’re made of the stuff and what good does it do us? If you haven’t heard, the sun doesn’t always shine.

      • Gregg

        Just wondering, do you ever get tired of having to “shoot the messenger”? It’s a pretty shallow form of debate.

        Also, you should sharpen your language. No one denies climate change. No one.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          MANY still deny man-made effects on climate change, although it’s so simple to prove that even Rush would have to concede to proof!

          • Gregg

            You sharpened your language and included “man-made”. The question is whether to roll back our standard of living, wreck our economy, downgrade vehicle safety, throw “green energy” money down a rat hole and pay through the nose while China and India belch. The more one realizes how much “evidence” is premised on the 2007 fourth assessment report and how discredited that report is, the more skeptical one becomes. Then there’s the makeup of the IPCC and their agendas. They are not all scientist and there are many activist. Then you look at the credentials of the climate scientist who have resigned from the IPCC, APS and other organizations over the anthropological part. And the money. Worldwide, UN, big, big money. And even if you believe with all your heart, nearly everyone agrees KYOTO (for example) would not have a significant impact without the cooperation of China and India which is not forthcoming. It’s all for naught.

            So the best I can say about man made climate change is the science certainly is not settled, the debate is anything but honest, the solutions are economically devastating, the solutions aren’t solutions and mom nature has been wreaking havoc far longer than we’ve been here…. and will be long after we’re gone.

          • Zero

            Did Germany wreck their economy by moving to renewable sources? 

          • Gregg

            Germany’s energy cost are already far higher than ours. The leap is not as big. Now, I read, they are swearing off nuclear. I can’t imagine it will not hurt their economy. We’ll see.

          • Fredlinskip

               If the world was reduced to a desert and you were left standing in the middle of it , you’d still say “debate of man-influenced climate change is still unsettled.”
                  Anyone who’s ever visited this comments page more than a couple of times, knows that facts do not inform Gregg’s opinions,

               Scientific opinion backed by decades of research, doesn’t matter any to Gregg- he knows what’s what.

            So folks- don’t waste your time debating the “omnipotent” one.

          • Gregg

            Funny how you didn’t address a single point I raised. If you had “facts” I suppose you would cite them.

          • RightIsRight

            Isn’t China pouring money into renewables?

          • RightIsRight

            What’s the problem? Lefties see nothing but doom and gloom while the free market sees the opportunities. We can farm the Yukon!

      • david

        You have bought into the false science that oil is a fossil fuel.
        Oil did not come from extinct dinosaurs as we were taught in school.
        Oil is the by-product of a 12000+ degree chain reaction called the earth’s core. Finding where it pools is the problem.
        What great climate change reversed the ice age??? There were no manmade causes back then.  

        • Anonymous

          Where do you get this uninformed information? What a load of nonsense.

          • david

            Newton’s third law of dynamics.
            For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
            As wise as you are jeffe, you must also know that a 12000+ degree core of the earth must produce something????? Is it so far out of reason to think that oil is one of those by-products and not the cock and bull that dinosaurs were the source!
             

          • Mmpriest

            Dude its made from algae and plankton that pooled at the bottom of anoxic ocean bottoms…The conditions for oil production have not existed for approximately 20 million years.

          • Terry Tree Tree

            So start your ‘oil production’ facility, making oil from the heat of the earth’s core,  or more easily, from the heat of the sun!  Save all the dangers and costs of drilling.  Save all those poisoned water wells, make your fortune.  PROVE your point!

        • Zero

          David, you are an idiot.  Oil is a fossil fuel but it is not made of Dinosaurs; oil is from prehistoric fish–that is why oil is located on lines of latitude–0, 30, 60–where fish populations flourish.  We know where going is generally located, and yes it is a finite source. 

          And the Earth is suppose to be cooling right now.  Go read about it–NASA’s website has it all explained for you–unless you think NASA scientists are a bunch of baby-eating communists out to destroy Jesus and America…or whatever else the anti-intellectual right says.      

          • Zero

            substitute “going” for “oil”

        • RightIsRight

          I think you’ve been listening to the kooks on shows like Coast2Coast.

          • Gregg

            Art Bell rocks… if you want to stay awake driving all night.

      • FossilThis

        The theory is called, ‘abiotic oil’.  Look it up.

        I saw the CEO of Exxon on Charlie Rose several years ago, Charlie asked
        him if he was concerned about not finding new sources of oil, aka…
        ‘peak oil’,  he replied, “Not at all.’

        Gaia is alive.

        Imagine huge corporations basically taking what belongs to us all – oil
        like water – and selling barrels of it for $80 to $100 per… come to
        think of it, they already are.

  • http://profiles.google.com/avon.st.cyr Phillip Avon St. Cyr

    Why, oh, why, doesn’t the word “FACT” ever enter these discussions? The biggest problem political dialog has these days — and it makes me truly (i.e. without hyperbole) wonder if reporters and talk show hosts are simply less intelligent — is that the subject of discussion is never based on facts. No one is asked (or very, very rarely asked) to produce any evidence at all of any kind (much less of the factual kind). The Republican on the politics panel got borderline NASTY (as — and this, too, amazes me — Republicans far more than Democrats do in this discussions) when he was even mildly pressed to answer to what the majority of economists state about stimulus programs.

  • david

    Steve Jobs!
    A story of, from rags to riches.
    A man with an idea and an economic system that allowed him to fly!
    What is good about mankind and what was once great about our nation.

    Sadly, at his passing this week, he leaves this world under the politically correct definition of our present White House.
    Steve Jobs!
    The creator of a Corporaton, evil, greedy, a gatherer of wealth at the expense of the little people.
    The creator of a Corporation that as many, does not pay taxes!
    The creator of a  corporation that does not share the wealth and takes part in economic disparity.
    The creator of a corporation that is involved with the stock market!
    The creator of a corporation that buys politicians.

    Steve Jobs a millionaire, one who by Obama’s own words, does not pay his FAIR SHARE in taxes, implying he is cheating the system!

    I say, thanks Steve Jobs for a job well done!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Talk about a warped viewpoint skewed by greed. Ignorance and intolerance are not virtues one should brag about.

      • david

        Heard this so-called warped viewpoint straight from the horses mouth. If there is ignorance and intolerance one must only watch the liberal news and recent Obama comments to verify.
        Steve Jobs became a victim by association by being a corporation.

    • Terry Tree Tree

      Irony?   Multi-faceted?  Hypocritical?  Expository?  Thank you!

  • david

    Occupy Wall Street
    Protestors bringing attention to the corruption in Wall Street, a good thing????
    Has anyone asked who and what groups are behind the organization of these rallies???? 
    No, you say!
    You might want to check and see before you grab your sign and join.

    • Alan in NH

      I trust, David, that you have some ideas about who those groups are. Care to share?

      • Gregg

        The White House, Soros, etc…

      • david
        • Fredlinskip

          Now there’s a completely unbiased source you got there.
          New American is published by the think tank called American Opinion Publishing (name sort of gives a clue of their intent, no?) a wholly owned subsidiary of JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY.
          You and Gregg come up with some interesting sources.

          Of course Soros evil empire is So much more powerful than Murdoch’s news media, and all the Washington lobbyists that represent corporate interests, and undisclosed corporate contributers to political campaigns. 

          Soros pretty much rules the world, doesn’t he?

          • Gregg

            Do you think the “Occupy Wall Street” movement is organic?

          • Fredlinskip

               They seem so unorganized, it seems somewhat likely.
              
               But it’s a sure thing I’m not going to trust JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY to inform my opinion.

  • http://novadcmwebcafetwinhr.blogspot.com/ Avi Dey

    Protests will be beneficial in the long run to help focus on the needs for focusing on prosperity on all government levels, not just federal, but also state and municipal levels.  To understand the “vintage wisdom” of the important element of  “technology innovation”, I went back to my community tv show I produced several years ago to create a Squidoo Lens.  Vintage Wisdom Prosperity USA #01:  Thomas Edison Memory Book
    http://www.squidoo.com/vintage-wisdom-prosperity-usa-01TEMB

  • Cime

    People constantly complain about Big Government! But when the shit hits the fan, we see who they hide behind! Big Government!!

  • Gregg

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men, women and
    transgendered — and any other human who is able to elude the tyranny of
    work for a couple of weeks — are created equal. We gather to be free
    not of tyranny, but of responsibility and college tuitions.”

    http://townhall.com/columnists/davidharsanyi/2011/10/05/occupy_wall_street_a_manifesto

    • RightIsRight

      These unemployed college kids are collateral damage as Wall Street’s Masters Of Universe work the kinks out of deregulation and globalization. The economy’s sure to pick up once that happens. Then what will they whine about?   

  • JonS

    Jack Beatty: Please don’t quote Mark Zandi as an independent economist. He happens to be a registered Democrat who did some research for the McCain campaign but had no advisory role. He is a Democrat although most liberals refuse to identify that to the casual observer.

    • http://www.jobwaltz.com JobWaltz.com

      He’s also the worst kind of Keynesian. He missed the bubble and the bust, and has not credibility in my eyes.

  • Cathy

    Hi Chris,
    I was instrumental in preventing arrests for the first 7 days of Occupy Orlando.  Being related to a lawyer helped us skirt the law. This is one thing I post  $99% —–> 1%  As you mention there has been graft and the richest have benefitted the most. I am writing a book which I will have on Amazon in a few weeks. It has been too long where almost all has been conducted in the dark. I believe we should “sunshine law” and shine a light on companies,government, profit?/loss? in stockmarket, supreme court, nonprofits etc.  But and here is the rub.  Should I shine a light on the group behind setting up – the “party planners” of Occupy Orlando?

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Poutine Whoppers? Why Burger King Is Bailing Out For Canada
Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014

Why is Burger King buying a Canadian coffee and doughnut chain? (We’ll give you a hint: tax rates).

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Why Facebook And Twitter Had Different Priorities This Week
Friday, Aug 22, 2014

There’s no hidden agenda to the difference between most people’s Facebook and Twitter feeds this week. Just a hidden type of emotional content and case use. Digiday’s John McDermott explains.

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Our Week In The Web: August 22, 2014
Friday, Aug 22, 2014

On mixed media messaging, Spotify serendipity and a view of Earth from the International Space Station.

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